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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2019, 12:14:05 AM
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May as well kick of the pre match thread. I'll go for 2-1 to us. Wesley and Jack with the goals. I can see Conor coming in for one of the wingers and Marvelous on the bench along with Kodjia.
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They don’t travel well. I think their record at VP is pretty poor.
Could do with a win, expect a draw.
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I told my 8 yo daughter who the next game was on the way to school and she said ‘you mean the kit stealers’? So proud.
1-0 squeaky win us. Wesley goal.
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Looking forward to it, going to be a full house again on our side, and will be interesting to see how we come back from the Palace saga.
Starting to get the buzz and can't wait. It's a very important game for us and one where a win would make such a positive difference. A clean sheet would be nice. The Everton game will have given the new lads a taste of what Villa Park can be like, let's hope it inspires them on Monday.
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season ticket holder at West Ham said they have sold all of theirs, sadly due to work commitments cannot make this one so my mates lad is going to his 2nd game at Villa Park the 1st being the win over Everton :)
we have goals in us....so a clean sheet please Villa....
UTV
The Doc
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I told my 8 yo daughter who the next game was on the way to school and she said ‘you mean the kit stealers’? So proud.
1-0 squeaky win us. Wesley goal.
Top parenting 👏👏👏👏👏
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We've got to be winning games like this. Also, given that we're the Monday game, we don't want any sort of gap to start appearing between the bottom three and the rest. Well we do, as long as we're not in it.
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We've got to be winning games like this.
Funnily enough, they're saying the same thing on their forum. That and apparently a lot of them hate or despise us but aren't sure why, even though we've never done anything so bad as that terrible cross-arm gesture that seams to be rife among their lot like a bad case of scabies.
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This game opens old battles within my family as my brother and nephew are West Ham fans. Over the years I always ruled the roost as we usually got a result against this lot. They're a different team now, not a basket case like they use to be, think i'd take a draw.
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A 3-2 win for us in what will be a wide open game.
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Did all the internationals make it through uninjured ?
Playing on the Monday means that any long distance travelling should be irrelevant
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D 1-1.
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They're a bit creaky at the back (I think), so get Wesley supported, and we'll win this. This will be our first come back from a goal down to win, game of the season.
Lanzini to score early, and Engels and Jota for us in reply.
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Think we need to support the likes of Luiz in front of our defence
Tempted to go
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota McGinn Jack
Wesley
subs
Steer
Konsa
Hause
Marvellous (if we need to close game down)
AEG (If we need to open them up wide)
Trez "
Davis
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I reckon we will win 2-1.
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They dont travel well. I think their record at VP is pretty poor.
Could do with a win, expect a draw.
They have one win in their last nine visits.
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they must be nearer the same level as Everton now with all their spending so we can beat them under the floodlights with the crowd behind us.
I reckon a 2-1 maybe. Wesley and Connor winner
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Think we need to support the likes of Luiz in front of our defence
Tempted to go
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota McGinn Jack
Wesley
subs
Steer
Konsa
Hause
Marvellous (if we need to close game down)
AEG (If we need to open them up wide)
Trez "
Davis
Agreed re formation. Think Marvellous could also come in, McGinn to move right of the three, Grealish centre and Hourihane to move further forward. Don't have much faith in Jota. Is Targett still out?
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0-4 and much gnashing and wailing.
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0-4 and much gnashing and wailing.
Nah, 4-0 and much rejoicing.
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8-5 and constant post-match moaning about the defence.
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I'll be driving home for the game from work Oop North. The last time I did that, we drew 0-0 with 'boro, in a game as exciting as it sounds. I hope for better fayre.
2-0. And if I can let slip a small wish, I'd like to see us go two in the middle. I love our attacking players, but I can't help thinking that we might be better with a bigger platform allowing one fewer of them to be more effective.
And I'm off to self flagellate for doubting Smith.
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41,886*
*Fouls on Jack before the ref has a word.
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4.2 to us
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Fuck the cockney fuckers
5-1
Aston Fucking Villa
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Think we need to support the likes of Luiz in front of our defence
Tempted to go
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota McGinn Jack
Wesley
subs
Steer
Konsa
Hause
Marvellous (if we need to close game down)
AEG (If we need to open them up wide)
Trez "
Davis
Trez will be suspended, by the way.
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1-1
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
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1-1
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
I think it is because they copied our colours
They also arrived at VP a few years ago without an away kit so they played in their home kit of predominantly Claret & Blue and we actually played at home in one of our away kits - white and Claret shorts IIRC
Why we never let them play in the away kit is a mystery unless this issue was the names on the shirt prehaps
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2-0
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One nothing Aston Villa.
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
I think it is because they copied our colours
They also arrived at VP a few years ago without an away kit so they played in their home kit of predominantly Claret & Blue and we actually played at home in one of our away kits - white and Claret shorts IIRC
Why we never let them play in the away kit is a mystery unless this issue was the names on the shirt prehaps
Didn't they forget all their kit and they played in our home shirts and we played in our away kit
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A thriller at the Villa.
0-0
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2-1 win. Early goal for us, another midway through the 2nd half but then a goal for them in the last 10 to make it nervy.
Jack and Wesley to score.
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
I think it is because they copied our colours
They also arrived at VP a few years ago without an away kit so they played in their home kit of predominantly Claret & Blue and we actually played at home in one of our away kits - white and Claret shorts IIRC
Why we never let them play in the away kit is a mystery unless this issue was the names on the shirt prehaps
Didn't they forget all their kit and they played in our home shirts and we played in our away kit
Didn't Heskey score in that game?
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A few goals in this one. 3-1 and FtF.
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We're due a draw, so. That.
Reckon 1-1.
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
I think it is because they copied our colours
They also arrived at VP a few years ago without an away kit so they played in their home kit of predominantly Claret & Blue and we actually played at home in one of our away kits - white and Claret shorts IIRC
Why we never let them play in the away kit is a mystery unless this issue was the names on the shirt prehaps
Didn't they forget all their kit and they played in our home shirts and we played in our away kit
Didn't Heskey score in that game?
The Ref was not happy as their away kit was too near to ours. They had not brought any other change so MON agreed to us playing in our white away shirts. Yes, Heskey scored in a 1-1 draw.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-west-ham-united-18-april-2009-284948/
(http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/villa-west-ham.jpg)
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
The story of the lost bet involved a sprinter called William Dove, and is disputed.
More likely they adopted Claret & Blue so they could look like the best and most successful. Leeds United did the same in the 1960s, mimicking Real Madrid.
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Sure . Ok thanks and for others replies
And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
I think it is because they copied our colours
They also arrived at VP a few years ago without an away kit so they played in their home kit of predominantly Claret & Blue and we actually played at home in one of our away kits - white and Claret shorts IIRC
Why we never let them play in the away kit is a mystery unless this issue was the names on the shirt prehaps
Didn't they forget all their kit and they played in our home shirts and we played in our away kit
Didn't Heskey score in that game?
The Ref was not happy as their away kit was too near to ours. They had not brought any other change so MON agreed to us playing in our white away shirts. Yes, Heskey scored in a 1-1 draw.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-west-ham-united-18-april-2009-284948/
(http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/villa-west-ham.jpg)
I read Burnley honoured villa by wearing Claret and Blue and Trabanspor in turkey also do the same.
Also Crystal palace were helped with their kit in the formative years by Villa and worn a claret and blue combo but over years have altered it.
The fact is Villa are the original claret and blue masters !
West ham are some cheap dime store imitation
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And just to clarify understanding West Ham are affectionately referenced as Kit Stealers because the kit went 'missing' after the villa players lost a bet at Birmingham fair and had to steal the villa kit to pay the bet ?! So west ham wore a stolen kit ?? And adopted the colours
The story of the lost bet involved a sprinter called William Dove, and is disputed.
More likely they adopted Claret & Blue so they could look like the best and most successful. Leeds United did the same in the 1960s, mimicking Real Madrid.
That makes sense ! As mentioned some other clubs have done this
Oh to be adored!
What a club we have in villa !
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We'll win this one. Can see us scoring three or four.
FTF.
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My prediction:
The game will be entertaining.
Both teams will score.
Whatever the result, a lot of us will be saying we need 2 DCM's.
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45 returns available for this, so it will be another 41500+ attendance.
Heaton
Taylor
Engels
Mings
Guilbert
Douglas
Grealish
McGinn
El Ghazi
Wesley
Jota
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The good news is Kevin Friend is not the ref, bad news is it's Mike Dean.
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Wonder if we might bring Hourihane in to really strengthen the midfield. Have Grealish and Jota floating off Wesley. 4-3-2-1.
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Both Lawro and Motty have predicted a Villa win so nothing can go wrong.
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My prediction:
The game will be entertaining.
Both teams will score.
Whatever the result, a lot of us will be saying we need 2 DCM's.
And "we are so naive".
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45 returns available for this, so it will be another 41500+ attendance.
Heaton
Taylor
Engels
Mings
Guilbert
Douglas
Grealish
McGinn
El Ghazi
Wesley
Jota
Jota needs a rest...please
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45 returns available for this, so it will be another 41500+ attendance.
Heaton
Taylor
Engels
Mings
Guilbert
Douglas
Grealish
McGinn
El Ghazi
Wesley
Jota
Jota needs a rest...please
Why does he?
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He hasn't played for 2 weeks and is yet to play a full game this season, why does he need a rest?
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Maybe he's taking advantage of the nice weather and working on his garden, but he's overdone it?
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Would expect Jota to be making more impact in home games, no way would I be resting him, especially with Trezeguet out.
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I hope West Ham are typically inconsistent as they seem to have started the season well. I'd be happy with a point to be honest. I hope that Nakamba starts alongside Douglas too.
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Hoping for another Everton type atmosphere and a straightforward 2-0 win. Need to win this as can’t see us getting much at Arsenal.
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Their average attendance for this season so far has been 59,910. Pretty impressive.
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Looking at West Ham's midfield, I fancy us to win that particular battle, if we get Connor involved, at the expense of El Ghazi.
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Our set pieces and corners , when we get any , have been awful .
We really miss Conor when it comes to free kicks , its just trying to get him in the team . Lansburys really improved and I think DS really likes him but cant see him starting for a while yet.
Id try get either Luis or Marvellous and Conor in there If he can with SJM and JG .
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Anyone know of any bars in Tokyo that will be showing this?
Failing that, any way to watch on TV here?
Thankyou
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1-2 - still learning but getting better.
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I hope West Ham are typically inconsistent as they seem to have started the season well. I'd be happy with a point to be honest. I hope that Nakamba starts alongside Douglas too.
I don't agree with the "happy with a point" view to be honest. If a draw is the best we can hope for at home to West Ham, we might as well slink back down to the Championship now to be honest. I'm not saying that they're a bad team or that it won't be a tough game, but outside of the established top 6, we should be thinking we can beat everybody else at home.
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Anyone know of any bars in Tokyo that will be showing this?
Failing that, any way to watch on TV here?
Thankyou
At that time in the morning, mate (4am kick off), you'll be struggling to find anywhere, unfortunately.
I'd just download Mobdro if you have Android, or subscribe to DAZN. Or hesgoal.com
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I hope West Ham are typically inconsistent as they seem to have started the season well. I'd be happy with a point to be honest. I hope that Nakamba starts alongside Douglas too.
I don't agree with the "happy with a point" view to be honest. If a draw is the best we can hope for at home to West Ham, we might as well slink back down to the Championship now to be honest. I'm not saying that they're a bad team or that it won't be a tough game, but outside of the established top 6, we should be thinking we can beat everybody else at home.
Point would be fine for me. Next two home games are Burnley and Brighton, those are certainly two home games that we need to step up and kill off the mistakes that did us in v Bournemouth.
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I hope yesterday’s Norwich won inspires us that a win is possible against anyone. Believe and don’t sit back.
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Anyone know of any bars in Tokyo that will be showing this?
Failing that, any way to watch on TV here?
Thankyou
At that time in the morning, mate (4am kick off), you'll be struggling to find anywhere, unfortunately.
I'd just download Mobdro if you have Android, or subscribe to DAZN. Or hesgoal.com
That’s about it however depends on which hotel you are staying in? If it’s an American chain such as Hyatt or Marriott you may be lucky as room TV will have multi-national sports channels and at least one will be showing EPL live game. Games on Friday and Saturday can be caught in bars even in the early hours.
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Anyone know of any bars in Tokyo that will be showing this?
Failing that, any way to watch on TV here?
Thankyou
At that time in the morning, mate (4am kick off), you'll be struggling to find anywhere, unfortunately.
I'd just download Mobdro if you have Android, or subscribe to DAZN. Or hesgoal.com
That’s about it however depends on which hotel you are staying in? If it’s an American chain such as Hyatt or Marriott you may be lucky as room TV will have multi-national sports channels and at least one will be showing EPL live game. Games on Friday and Saturday can be caught in bars even in the early hours.
That's true. If I was in Tokyo, you could also come and watch it in my house! But sadly, I'm away until next week.
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Thanks for the info. I’ll try to get it on line....or do a FaceTime call home with their phone facing the tv !
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I hope West Ham are typically inconsistent as they seem to have started the season well. I'd be happy with a point to be honest. I hope that Nakamba starts alongside Douglas too.
I don't agree with the "happy with a point" view to be honest. If a draw is the best we can hope for at home to West Ham, we might as well slink back down to the Championship now to be honest. I'm not saying that they're a bad team or that it won't be a tough game, but outside of the established top 6, we should be thinking we can beat everybody else at home.
I agree. To stay up, we'll need to be winning our home games, in the main regardless of opposition.
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2-0
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I'm getting excited now. We must funeral these.
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Supporting Villa is quite something. I have been missing our weekly games for 2 weeks and now i am getting shit scared of losing but also excited.
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2-1 Villa, we have to start winning these home games, a draw would do, as in another point on the board, not even thinking about losing this.
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First draw of the season. 1-1.
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2-1 Villa, we have to start winning these home games, a draw would do, as in another point on the board, not even thinking about losing this.
We have 'started winning these home games'. 2-0 against Everton.
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Could do with a win here.
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I hope West Ham are typically inconsistent as they seem to have started the season well. I'd be happy with a point to be honest. I hope that Nakamba starts alongside Douglas too.
I don't agree with the "happy with a point" view to be honest. If a draw is the best we can hope for at home to West Ham, we might as well slink back down to the Championship now to be honest. I'm not saying that they're a bad team or that it won't be a tough game, but outside of the established top 6, we should be thinking we can beat everybody else at home.
I agree. To stay up, we'll need to be winning our home games, in the main regardless of opposition.
No way can we be happy with a point at home to West Ham. They are bang average especially away from home. If you accept that every away game in the Premier League is a potential banana skin and home games against the top sides will be hard to win then if we start writing off our chances of winning at home to sides like West Ham we might as well as well just prepare for relegation right now. Home games against the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Brighton, Burnley, Norwich, Sheffield United and Palace are games where we have to be taking three points.
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I think we may struggle and possibly lose, but hope I’m wrong.
I’ve kind of gone full circle in my thinking of how we will do this season. Started off thinking we’d finish round about 17th, then was thinking 10/11th. Now I’m back thinking we’ll be on struggle st.
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It'll be tough (they all are) and while there's no reason why we shouldn't beat these, I'll go for a 2-2 draw. Grealish and Big Wes with ours.
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As others have said, and also on the West Ham forum
"What could be worse than Mike Dean...???
Mike Dean with VAR... "
So the only team that likes Dean is Spurs.
Generally I dont mind West Ham, its just Karren Brady who constantly moans about, well everything, including how they are being hard done by the deal they have at the "London Stadium" (the least thought gone into a stadium name)
Anyway 3-1 to us. :D
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Since Mike Dean’s goal celebration at Spurs, I seem to remember he’s refereed us a couple of times and been very good ( although he may have just appeared to be semi competent in comparison with the Championship Refs we were used to).
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Come on you Villa boys! 3 points please would be massive.
After the debacle of kn-bhead Friend, the ref and VAR will be under intense scrutiny tonight, especially from Villa fans.
Welcome back Snoddy but I hope you're on the losing side. Let's keep Villa Park rocking! UTV!
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I would like to see a slight change in the way we set up. 4-2-3-1 would suit what we have at the moment:
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota Grealish McGinn
Wesley
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Think we need to support the likes of Luiz in front of our defence
Tempted to go
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota McGinn Jack
Wesley
subs
Steer
Konsa
Hause
Marvellous (if we need to close game down)
AEG (If we need to open them up wide)
Trez "
Davis
Excellent choice, squire
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But isn't Trez suspended and Jota not very good?
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But isn't Trez suspended and Jota not very good?
When did the man of the match from our last home game become "not very good"?
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Think we need to support the likes of Luiz in front of our defence
Tempted to go
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Hourihane
Jota McGinn Jack
Wesley
subs
Steer
Konsa
Hause
Marvellous (if we need to close game down)
AEG (If we need to open them up wide)
Trez "
Davis
Excellent choice, squire
In the absence of Trez then I would add Lansbury into the sqaud
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A few days after the first game of the season I had a dream about this game.
I rarely dream about Villa and it's even rarer that I dream about a scoreline.
But in my dream Villa beat West Ham 4-2 and McGinn scored one of the goals.
So I now have separate bets on McGinn and the exact score.
Do me proud lads!
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A few days after the first game of the season I had a dream about this game.
I rarely dream about Villa and it's even rarer that I dream about a scoreline.
But in my dream Villa beat West Ham 4-2 and McGinn scored one of the goals.
So I now have separate bets on McGinn and the exact score.
Do me proud lads!
A lad at work dreamt that we beat Spurs 1-0, McGinn scoring... :'(
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A few days after the first game of the season I had a dream about this game.
I rarely dream about Villa and it's even rarer that I dream about a scoreline.
But in my dream Villa beat West Ham 4-2 and McGinn scored one of the goals.
So I now have separate bets on McGinn and the exact score.
Do me proud lads!
A lad at work dreamt that we beat Spurs 1-0, McGinn scoring... :'(
Someone woke him up too early
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but let's not forget to tell Ryan Fredericks we haven't forgotten what he did at Wembley
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I hope the crowd are up for it again tonight. The players really need them as they go through this adaption phase. West Ham are on a very decent run but so were Everton. FTF.
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