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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on September 02, 2019, 09:46:39 PM

Title: Our Captain?
Post by: Legion on September 02, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
The excellent decision to make Grealish captain last season marked a serious turning point in our fortunes and he did a great job. Do you think he should continue to wear the armband or perhaps should it be given to Mings who has shown plenty of leadership qualities whilst on loan and now as a fully-fledged Villa player possibly taking the pressure off Jack?
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Steve67 on September 02, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
An arguable point from me, but I honestly think we might have gone out and signed a captain as I think we needed a bit more premier league experience.  I don't like keepers as captains but Heaton was a great signing, I felt though, that we needed more experience further forward.  Mings is a decent shout but has no more experience than Grealish when it comes to the Premier Division.   To ram my point home, other than Jack, Heaton or Mings, I genuinely cannot think of another player in the squad who would be a better choice than the three I've mentioned. No, not even SJM to be fair.  I know Elmo did the Crewe game, but you'd want your captain to be a permanent fixture in the starting line up.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 02, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
No way would I take it off Jack
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 02, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
Why would you take it off Jack? Talisman and fan. It's good to have leaders all over the pitch and Tyrone does a good job of being one of those.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Steve67 on September 02, 2019, 10:19:17 PM
Why would you take it off Jack? Talisman and fan. It's good to have leaders all over the pitch and Tyrone does a good job of being one of those.

We don't have leaders all over the pitch.  We have a keeper, maybe two centre backs and one midfielder, with leadership abilities, arguably.  This is part of the issue.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2019, 10:20:38 PM
Mings is simply another captain. No need to change.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Villan For Life on September 02, 2019, 10:21:25 PM
It was an inspired decision from Smith to make Jack captain why change that now?
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 02, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
Jack just needs to be told to play 30 yards further forward.  He would be so much more effective.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
Jack has done nothing wrong, taking the captaincy off him would be a bad move, potentially damaging team spirit.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Diablo on September 02, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
It's been a bit of a slow start/tricky adjustment for Jack by his high standards (don't know if the 20 PL games thing affected his confidence) and he certainly needs to be further up the pitch to have a greater impact as people are saying. We ideally don't want him doing too many challenges on the wrong side in the box like the one he did in the Everton game. I wouldn't take the captaincy off him, especially so early on in the season though, as I think it could affect him in a negative way even more and I'm pretty sure he's gonna and the whole team will come good and get up to speed shortly.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2019, 12:18:04 AM
I wouldn't take it off Jack, but I do thing Tyrone would be a better captain.  I always prefer defenders to be organising things where possible.  I also think that the extra responsibility might be weighing on Jack a bit this season.  He's made two mistakes in games now that have led to us dropping points.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Pete3206 on September 03, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
For the good of the team.

Mings.

The bloke is a born leader.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 03, 2019, 12:37:24 AM
You don't strip someone of the captaincy unless they do something wrong, or they lose their place in the team through poor form, injury or suspension. Pointless debate.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Mister E on September 03, 2019, 08:15:09 AM
Mings is simply another captain. No need to change.
Correct
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: CT on September 03, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
Tyrone is a clear leader but doesn't need an armband to do it.

By all accounts, Jack demands high standards in and around training etc, there's no way I'd take it off him unless he does something seriously wrong.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Davkaus on September 03, 2019, 08:39:15 AM

The bloke is a born leader.

He is, and he does so without the need for an armband, so why risk annoying our star player by stripping him of the captaincy?
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2019, 08:40:14 AM
Hey Jack, thanks for inspiring us to promotion.

Now, just open your legs a bit wider whilst I kick you in the balls...
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 03, 2019, 08:49:28 AM
Can you imagine the impact on squad morale.?
Daft idea.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Nelly on September 03, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
As great as Mings is, I think this sort of penalises Grealish when he's not really done anything wrong. Lets stick with him.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Villa Lew on September 03, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
Mings is a captain in all but name, so we're lucky to have 2 good leaders in the team.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Steve67 on September 03, 2019, 12:16:56 PM
Mings is a captain in all but name, so we're lucky to have 2 good leaders in the team.

We need more leaders. Jack will do for me.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2019, 12:19:11 PM
Hourihane and Lansbury were both captains of their previous clubs too. We've plenty of them in and around the squad.

Dean Smith likes to rotate it but let's be honest, we've got a Villa fan as Head Coach and a Villa fan as Captain; they know what it means, they give their all and no need to change anything.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 03, 2019, 03:09:20 PM
See where you're coming from. Maybe it is weighing heavy on his shoulders but as others have said he's done nothing wrong and I am sure he will weather the storm and come through stronger for it. The more "captains" we have the better and both Mings and Heaton are doing fine as it is.
Title: Re: Our Captain?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 03, 2019, 04:26:32 PM


I'll be honest, I do like to see a vocal captain that you can see/hear geeing up his team mates.

When we're losing or not playing as we'd like to be in a game i want to see someone getting into the rest to raise our game. Mings would probably be better at that as he has that type of personality.

But he can still do that even if Jack has the armband anyway of course.
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