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Title: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2019, 09:43:33 AM
Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm

I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.

So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.

I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
My Everton mate's coming over from the IOM for it as well, and I too hope to see a 3-1 win, with goals from Wesley, Wesley and Wesley.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: in exile on August 19, 2019, 10:44:50 AM
I haven't got any mates
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on August 19, 2019, 10:48:42 AM
I haven't got any mates
neither have those two-they're 'imaginary' friends...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on August 19, 2019, 10:50:49 AM
unlike in exile I have a small smattering of mates.

no chance of making this due to work commitments and having to collect wife from a drunken night out with her work colleagues


any type of win Villa please

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 19, 2019, 10:53:17 AM
Hopefully a Villa win, but I have a horrible feeling we go down 0-1, and off to Crystal Palace looking for win
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AllanW on August 19, 2019, 10:57:51 AM
Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.

Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice. Not the last chance for Jack and SJM in midfield but it needs to start working now.

Any sort of Villa win against a good side would be welcome. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.

Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice.



Trouble is, I can't really see who you replace them with.  Jota hasn't impressed me one little bit in his sub appearances, and Davis isn't ready to be our number one striker.  Those three basically pick themselves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2019, 11:47:17 AM
Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm

I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.

So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.

I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
I am also expecting a 3-1 win however I am not expecting my mates to be with me as they are all t***s and donít support the Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
1-3

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 19, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
I don't expect to spend £20m on fullbacks and keep seeing Elmo and Taylor in the team. If they aren't better than those two then we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
Goals from Wesley, Grealish, Luiz, McGinn and Heaton whould make up for the shite they've served up thus far and stop them being dropped.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on August 19, 2019, 12:01:18 PM
1 1 and lots of excitable Scousers over the hoardings when they score - see also Man Utd etc later in the season
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2019, 12:13:44 PM
Id like to see conor in the team some how for his set pieces and the chance of a goal from him , obviously playing Luis still.

And can we get our new full backs in , one thing I was impressed with Guilbert he gets right up to the by line and his crossing/passing is great , seem to link well with Hotta too.

Id drop EGZ

1-0  off wes's arse
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Reuben on August 19, 2019, 12:18:55 PM
2-0 (Daley, Platt)  - like last time we came back up.

If we can be tight at the back then 0-0 might be a good shout with their defence.  If we get a break and win 1-0 that would be amazing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Stu on August 19, 2019, 12:38:13 PM
Feeling like we need 3pts from this one. Steady the nerves a bit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 19, 2019, 12:41:30 PM
1-1 Draw for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tony scott on August 19, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Iím flying in from Oz ,fingers crossed for first win, maybe 1 1 we have to get Wesley on the score sheet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 19, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
Everton are solid as a rock. We won't score on Friday, so its a matter of keeping it tight at the back. 0-0 at best, but I'd wager 0-1 to them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2019, 12:56:39 PM
Heaton

Targett
Mings
Engels
Elmo

Douglas
McGinn
Grealish

El Ghazi
Wesley
Trezuguet

That will be the team I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 19, 2019, 12:59:59 PM
Feeling like we need 3pts from this one. Steady the nerves a bit.

Big time, that was a very average Bournemouth side we lost to at the weekend. Spurs were understrength too. A win would change everything but our manager needs to be a lot braver in his team selections. We won't go anywhere aside from back to the second division if he keeps persisting with those full backs. Our front three haven't worked at all first two games so a significant tactical reshuffle is required.

------------------Heaton
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
-------------Luiz, Hourihane
---- Jota, Grealish, McGinn
----------------Wes

Not that Jota has done anything to deserve a start but it's unlikely Marvelous will come straight into the starting team having not even made the bench yet. Trez might be a better option off bench and AEG needs dropping. I'm a little worried about the quality on our bench already to be honest.

Hourihane coming in adds goal threat at a minimum and improved set pieces.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
I think Trezeguet, finishing apart, has been our most impressive attacking player so far. I certainly wouldn't be dropping him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2019, 01:12:45 PM
Sadly, I can't see us scoring, but we'll be hard to beat.

0-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on August 19, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
I'll take 0-0 but sadly it's another lesson to be learned for us - 0-1 my prediction. We've got to stop fannying around in our own half and get some support to Wes. I'd play Guilbert and Targett.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on August 19, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
The adjustment period continues

0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 19, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Everton are a good side and it'll be difficult again.  A hard-fought draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: exigo on August 19, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
Got the afternoon off, so train up from London and a few beers to set things up nicely. I'm just hoping the rocking atmosphere lasts longer than 45 seconds this time around.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 19, 2019, 02:43:08 PM
I do think we will win this one. 2-1 Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: godzvilla on August 19, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm

I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.

So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.
Bad English, my brother lives near Limoges, which ,if my Geography serves,  is not too far from Perpignan. H's abig Villa fan, is it worth him contacting 'Perpignan or  S.Burgundy Villains /. If so, do you have any contact details?. Thank you,VTID.....Godzvilla!

I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 19, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
I think Trezeguet, finishing apart, has been our most impressive attacking player so far. I certainly wouldn't be dropping him.

Agreed.

Not really fancying this game. Just feel like we are destined to have an horrific start. A draw wouldn't be a disaster.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
We will win this.

2-1 us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
I would feel happier seeing a central three of Conor, Luiz and SJM with Grealish left for this one. I'd love to play with Jack Central instead of Conor eventually, but until the team have gelled I think that makes us a bit loose.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 19, 2019, 03:31:39 PM
Can't see anything but a loss here, sorry. I wanted to think we'd pick up points from this one, but my expectations have really taken a massive dent after the weekend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 19, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
Also flying in for this one - got a strange feeling we will win under the lights. If not it will be a long and painful journey home!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2019, 04:13:47 PM
Thanks to the generosity of UKR I'm able to attend this match.

Going back to my tried and trusted D 1-1 from the latter end of last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 19, 2019, 04:15:11 PM
Everton haven't conceded yet have they? Can't see us winning. 2-2 draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
Thanks to the generosity of UKR I'm able to attend this match.


If Villa had won the first two games, no way would i have risked allowing Leeg into the stadium.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2019, 05:06:09 PM
Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.
Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice.
Trouble is, I can't really see who you replace them with.  Jota hasn't impressed me one little bit in his sub appearances, and Davis isn't ready to be our number one striker.  Those three basically pick themselves.
"Last chance"? - a little melodramatic, perhaps.
Risso, I'd say the answer lies not in replacing people per se but more about how we set up.
I think Brontebilly has got it right with:
-----------------Heaton
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
-------------Luiz, Hourihane
---- Trez, Grealish, McGinn
----------------Wes
... although I've taken Jota out and put in Trezeguet. I just think this looks more secure.
When he's ready, I'd see Hourihane being replaced for some games by Marvelous, because one thing I've taken from the first two games is that we need more physically-imposing players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
I'd go

              Heaton
Elmo  Engles  Mings  Targett
               Luiz
      McGinn  Hourahane
Trezeguet             Grealish
               Wesley
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2019, 05:33:11 PM
We really could do with a positive result here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 19, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Well Everton are a great exponent of attacking full-backs . Digne in particular is real menace at delivery and is a great attacking threat with decent set pieces and crossing ability. He's a real contrast to Taylor.
They have their own Brazilian forward Richarlison who can be a real handful

Everton have not conceded in the 2 matches played this season Mina and Keane as central defence and Pickford in goal are all quality . This could be a real task for Wesley to get much from this defence and I have to hope rather than believe that he can score. Or at least be something of a challenge to them

I feel Smith will play the same line up  but perhaps get Marvelous and Guilbert in the squad.
Everton haven't looked prolific in front of goal (though have striker moise kean who is lively looking to come in)
Villa have shown good football and we have created many chances. I'm hoping , for a match without any big mistake errors, and that we can take a winning chance and push out a score of 1-0 
Heaton man of the match.
Trezeguet to score.


Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2019, 07:56:16 PM
Everton haven't conceded yet have they? Can't see us winning. 2-2 draw.

Going back to start of March think they've kept 8 clean sheets from last 12 games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 19, 2019, 08:45:17 PM
Just seen on the sky promo image itís a return for Delph. Good reception for him???
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 19, 2019, 08:47:22 PM
Just seen on the sky promo image itís a return for Delph. Good reception for him???

Just ignore the fucker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 19, 2019, 08:51:26 PM
Just seen on the sky promo image itís a return for Delph. Good reception for him???

Just ignore the fucker.

Will he even be on the pitch
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 19, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
I posted this on the Bournemouth post-match thread but its similar to others except for keeping Taylor in...

                    Heaton
Guilbert   Engels   Mings   Taylor
               Luiz      Conor
   Trez            SJM       Jack
                     Wes
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 19, 2019, 08:59:26 PM
Didn't have a clue he'd signed for Everton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2019, 09:23:44 PM
I'd go

              Heaton
Elmo  Engles  Mings  Targett
               Luiz
      McGinn  Hourahane
Trezeguet             Grealish
               Wesley
Yes this is also my preference.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Karlos96 on August 19, 2019, 09:30:16 PM
Another loss 0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
DS does not have much history of changing the formation.
I would like to see Jack pushed further forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2019, 11:10:13 PM
I donít think Everton are as good as some on here and the pundits would like us to believe despite spending over £400m over the last few seasons. They look bang average to me having drawn against a poor Palace side and scraped a win against piss poor Watford. If we cut out the mistakes and take the game to them under the floodlights at Villa Park then weíll come away with our first 3pts of the season.

3-1 Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
My Everton mate's coming over from the IOM for it as well, and I too hope to see a 3-1 win, with goals from Wesley, Wesley and Wesley.
What a coincidence! We've both chosen the same score.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2019, 11:49:23 PM
Werenít we playing more of a 4141 formation in preseason? Especially against Bournemouth it seemed that Jack and SJM were too far away from Luiz...or was he sat too deep? Also Trez, AEG and Wes were too flat with little movement. Hopefully they will be working on the front 5 a lot more this week in training...thereís goals in this team but they arenít all on the same wavelength at the moment. Iíd be tempted to switch to 4231 with Conor playing alongside Luiz (we need Conor at set pieces), SJM linking with the two DMs, and Trez and Jack supporting Wes. I donít think heíll replace both FBs, but itís time to bring in one of Targett or Guilbert.

                 Heaton.
Guilbert. Engels. Mings. Taylor.
         Conor.        Luiz.
    Trez.        SJM.       Jack.
                   Wes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 11:54:56 PM
Werenít we playing more of a 4141 formation in preseason? Especially against Bournemouth it seemed that Jack and SJM were too far away from Luiz...or was he sat too deep? Also Trez, AEG and Wes were too flat with little movement. Hopefully they will be working on the front 5 a lot more this week in training...thereís goals in this team but they arenít all on the same wavelength at the moment. Iíd be tempted to switch to 4231 with Conor playing alongside Luiz (we need Conor at set pieces), SJM linking with the two DMs, and Trez and Jack supporting Wes. I donít think heíll replace both FBs, but itís time to bring in one of Targett or Guilbert.

                 Heaton.
Guilbert. Engels. Mings. Taylor.
         Conor.        Luiz.
    Trez.        SJM.       Jack.
                   Wes.


I'd be surprised if Guilbert started after not even making a squad yet.  I do like that midfield and forward set up though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 20, 2019, 12:04:27 AM
Yeah itís an odd one...Iím starting to think something may have happened behind the scenes. I hope Iím wrong as he looked excellent in preseason, linked well with Jota, got up and down the pitch, and whipped in the kind of crosses that Wes should thrive off. I think Dean is introducing the new players slowly but surely and keeping it tight at the back rather than throwing them all in, so may be we wonít see them in action until the Crewe game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2019, 12:59:43 AM
Is there more to Guilbert not playing I find it puzzling that he was one of the better performers in pre season and yet did not make the squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 20, 2019, 02:17:00 AM
Just read an article with Dean stating that Marvelous isnít match fit yet but still no word on Fred:

https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/08/19/dean-smith-comments-on-aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba/
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2019, 02:58:36 AM
1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2019, 04:30:19 AM
In the first game Iím sure Dean commented that it was just case of numbers and mix of players on the bench as to why he missed out. So I imagine Saturday was no different. I fully expect a Freddie debut this Friday because we need to change something up and he showed in pre season just how effective he can be down the right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 20, 2019, 07:10:05 AM
This will be tough, hoping for a win but expect a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 20, 2019, 07:44:15 AM
I think the two central deeper midfield players is a good shout, so Luiz and Hourihane to play in there. Get Jack further up the pitch and let SJM to push up as much as possible too.

Wes will need some help against Mina and Keane so we need to get close to him and not leave him isolated up front.

Difficult game but a draw would be good. 1 - 1 with Wes for us and the snake for them
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 20, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
I think weíll go with the same formation. This is the style Dean has built the squad around.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 20, 2019, 08:45:53 AM
As others have mentioned, I think that one of the wingers should be sacrificed to allow for an extra central midfield player
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 20, 2019, 09:44:10 AM
Surprised people don't think we will score. 2 in 2 so far and a handful of fantastic chances not taken. We need a couple more to drop in is all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2019, 09:57:25 AM
If we're sticking with the same formation, as i would imagine we will, for this game i would bring in Guilbert for Elmo and Hourahane for El Ghazi, play Grealish left, Douglas in Grealish's position and Hourahane in Douglas's position (based on the last game). It's ridiculous really to panic yet but i've been pondering in my mind different formations that would give us an attacking 4 of Wes, Trez, Grealish and Douglas with lots of defensive players behind them. 5-3-2, 4-4-2 etc. Can't honestly see us changing the system though, just a case of getting to a stage where we need to know the best players to fit into it but we need to do it pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 20, 2019, 10:44:57 AM
I think weíll go with the same formation. This is the style Dean has built the squad around.
I think this . It's what  Dean Smith uses a 4-1-4-1 to 4-3-3 dropping to a 4-5-1 when not able to recover possession quickly.


I think the two central deeper midfield players is a good shout, so Luiz and Hourihane to play in there. Get Jack further up the pitch and let SJM to push up as much as possible too.

Wes will need some help against Mina and Keane so we need to get close to him and not leave him isolated up front.

Difficult game but a draw would be good. 1 - 1 with Wes for us and the snake for them
 
A good shout personnel wise but unlikely to have 4-2-3-1 with 2 '6's holds. Smith plays with 2 position 8s or 2 10s as maybe but not 2 deep lying. It's not how Smith would tactically set up.

Everton haven't conceded yet have they? Can't see us winning. 2-2 draw.

Going back to start of March think they've kept 8 clean sheets from last 12 games.
No goals conceded by Everton but 2.08 XG conceded so they have been fortunate not to concede.

Is there more to Guilbert not playing I find it puzzling that he was one of the better performers in pre season and yet did not make the squad.
Having many changes to a back four initially may have been something that wasn't wanted.
Elmo has experience , his stats for chances created and amount of crosses I think sees him get another match. It's the quality of the delivery that needs improvement.
Vs Bournemouth Elmo only had one cross from the edge of the penalty area. He also has a cross where he served up a big chance in which Grealish shouldered over.

DS does not have much history of changing the formation.
I would like to see Jack pushed further forward.
Grealish created a chance every 15 minutes , 6 chances in the last match.
He had a far better second half than first half despite tiring towards the final 10 minutes.
He needs to be getting in the penalty area and six yard box. Touching ball 4 times in penalty area at home to Bournemouth was an improvement to the zero touches against Spurs.

Surprised people don't think we will score. 2 in 2 so far and a handful of fantastic chances not taken. We need a couple more to drop in is all.
XG for  Villa are 3.04 goals from 2 matches so actually performing below expected.

Certainly have shown attacking principles a chance every 6.6 mins
Only Man City , Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool have created more.

Villa have had the 5th most attempts with 29 shots. Only Man City ,Spurs Chelsea and Liverpool more

The 5th most on target with 11 (along with Arsenal) Only Man City,(19) Norwich& Liverpool (13) , Chelsea (12)been more accurate.

16 of 29 shots by Villa have been inside the penalty area.

On a goalscorer
McGinn has had 8 shots , 4 on target and scored 1 goal. He's always looking likely and has goals in him.

Trezeguet is a pending goal scorer as he's had all 5 of his shots in the box and a couple of  big chances.  It's only a matter of time before he nets. From the front 3 he has been most likely in his play , and the stats ,  to score.

Wesley had 3 shots all 3 on target, inside the box. He also created a big chance for Trez against Bournemouth 1st half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 20, 2019, 10:54:35 AM
Regards Chances and Goals what it tells us need to improve the overall quality of chances created and the finishing of Chances.

By cutting out errors in possession, improving on the ball and being more clinical in final third there is a real potential there and good reason to be optimistic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bjfoster on August 20, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Regards Chances and Goals what it tells us need to improve the overall quality of chances created and the finishing of Chances.

By cutting out errors in possession, improving on the ball and being more clinical in final third there is a real potential there and good reason to be optimistic.

In summary then, we just have to play better then we have a chance of getting a better result.

I believe.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 20, 2019, 12:53:35 PM
Battling 2-2 draw.

Last time we played at their place was when I realised we were down. We'd looked promising under Garde initially, but Everton beat us 4-0 without moving out of second gear.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: remy on August 20, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
I'd go in a 4-4-1-1 formation

Heaton
Guilbert Mings Engles Targett
Trezeguet Mcginn Luiz El Ghazi
                    Grealish
                     Wesley
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 20, 2019, 05:44:54 PM
Apologies of this has been mentioned, but is this the first time Neil Taylor has faced Seamus Coleman since that bad tackle a few years ago for Wales v Ireland?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 20, 2019, 05:46:17 PM


2-0

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on August 20, 2019, 06:07:15 PM
Can't see us scoring more than 1 tbh. Everton good at the back and we're not there yet up top. 0-0, 0-1, 1-1 something like that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: passport1 on August 20, 2019, 06:19:21 PM
Once again I would take a draw. As with last weeks game we are novices in this league still trying to gel as a team. Everton are big spenders ( £400m over the last three  years I believe) targeting a 6th place finish this season. A draw would be a great result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 21, 2019, 11:50:19 AM
Any Villa win will do!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
Think I'd take a point right now with a good performance. Really hope both new full backs start, Elmo and Taylor are Championship standard. Bring in an extra midfielder for El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Diablo on August 21, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
Apologies of this has been mentioned, but is this the first time Neil Taylor has faced Seamus Coleman since that bad tackle a few years ago for Wales v Ireland?
Good point. I wonder if this will result in Taylor not playing?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 21, 2019, 04:03:14 PM
When I saw in the Bournemouth pre match thread, that 78% were going for a Villa win, had a feeling things might, as they often do, go pear shaped. So don't mind the fact only 30% are going for a Villa win.

The goods news is we have scored more goals than Everton, bad news we've conceded 5 to their 1. Would take a draw now, to get us off the mark and then get our first win at Palace. Always the optimist!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 21, 2019, 04:09:46 PM
Hard one to call. Difficult to learn much from last 2 games because spurs are another level and we threw the game away against Bournemouth.

I reckon Everton are a bit better than Bournemouth, roughly same tier of team. Definitely beatable but a draw and points on the board would be a good result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
How were Everton in their first two games?  I'm still failing to see a whole MOTD through after a 3 year sabbatical since our relegation. I noticed on Saturday that Gary Lineker still does that slapping his hands on his knees thing as a coping mechanism when he's afraid to stand over an opinion when addressing his bald audience of Shearer/Murphy/Wright. I just haven't missed the schtick.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on August 21, 2019, 05:18:26 PM
A tough game and I'd also take a point, however I think we will struggle. Ah feck it 3-1 to Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 21, 2019, 06:01:09 PM
Iíd be happy enough with a point I think depending on how the game goes

but I wouldnít take a point right now I want us to go for a win I believe we can get one
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2019, 06:13:15 PM
I'd take a point now. I fear if we give up a goal cheaply we'll find it very hard to break them down.

The effect of losing could check any sense of momentum, whereas a point would give us a platform ahead of Crewe and Palace, who will hopefully be off the back of a humbling at Old Trafford.

Echoes of 15/16 still loom large.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 21, 2019, 06:16:18 PM
Interestingly the H&V poll is a fairly even three way split. My prediction is a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: markus209 on August 21, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
I'm going to predict a 2-1 win, coming from behind. McGinn and Wesley on the scoresheet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on August 21, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
Dipped their forum earlier and they seem to have made up their mind that we are "shite" Just how they've come to that conclusion on such little evidence says more about them than us.Very uncomplimentary about our club and fans dress sense! So with that in mind i'm thinking fuck em. Villa to win 1-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 21, 2019, 11:28:58 PM
Everton seem to be one of those clubs that we hardly ever think about but seem to have a big chip on their shoulder about us. Fuck the fuckers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2019, 11:33:54 PM
Everton have always had a chip on their shoulder about us...and I still have no idea why as they donít even come close to being in a top 10 list of clubs you hate.

I think their fans are starting to believe the media hype that they should be competing with the top 6 having spent over £400m over the last few seasons, but the truth is that they are still a bit shit...average team with average players that will finish in an average mid table position well short of the top 6 teams.

They have been far from convincing in their first 2 games of the season having scraped a draw and a win against Palace and Watford respectively. They will have a much tougher game against us on Friday night and I expect us to take at least a draw from the game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 21, 2019, 11:45:51 PM
We get this every time we play them, and the main reason is that we're one of the few clubs 'oo 'now their 'istory, and 'now it's better than theirs.

They only exist because McGregor wanted Everton in the league when everyone else wanted Bootle. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2019, 12:00:45 AM
Their support has been terrible for years.

Bring numbers but all sit down for 90 minutes and scream for a penalty every time someone so much as farts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2019, 12:38:40 AM
Goodison is showing its age too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2019, 12:40:51 AM
Goodison is showing its age too.

Well, that isn't going to matter too much in the near future.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 22, 2019, 08:58:37 AM
Their repertoire of songs was always pathetically small too, thatís if they sang at all.



Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 22, 2019, 09:23:49 AM
I didnít realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. Theyíre the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2019, 10:56:51 AM
I didnít realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. Theyíre the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.

Shouldn't they think the same about us?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 22, 2019, 11:13:22 AM
I will start to worry what's in store for us, if we lose our first two at Home and three on the bounce.

Another full house, under the floodlights, PL cobwebs blown away, and big mistakes well and truly out of our system.

2-1 to us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
I'm quite fond of Everton really, don't get the animosity the other way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 22, 2019, 11:24:01 AM
I'm quite fond of Everton really, don't get the animosity the other way.

They hate everybody. Donkeys years of being also rans in an part of the country, surrounded by clubs they've no chance of emulating.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 22, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Goodison is showing its age too.

i still prefer it to that state of the art place we went to a couple of weeks ago

proper football stadium
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Diablo on August 22, 2019, 11:33:06 AM
I have a bit of a soft spot for Everton, always thought of them as a proper club (what with their history/ground/classic matches between us and players that played for both clubs etc). I think one of the problems with other clubs fans is that we have been that poor (in the PL) and mismanaged for that long that their perception of us has changed, especially with younger fans. We did stink the PL out for quite some time under project young and hungry (pretty criminal really).
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 22, 2019, 11:36:58 AM
I don't mind Everton, but they do have the bitterest fans I've ever come across. You could marinate an Albion fan in tonic water and serve him on a bed of radicchio and he wouldn't be as bitter as an Everton fan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
I've always found them very whingey and moany, so by the end of a game at Goodison, you've had enough of them.

They're quite a subdued fanbase home and away regardless of numbers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 22, 2019, 12:09:45 PM
During the MOTD highlights against Watford last weekend, even the commentator mentioned how quiet it was inside the ground.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2019, 12:12:18 PM
Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this.  We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on August 22, 2019, 12:17:46 PM
I didnít realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. Theyíre the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.

Shouldn't they think the same about us?
Yeah they probably should and the majority probably do but thetes an element who seem to dislike our club and fans for some reason. Out of the fisrt few posters on their forum several say they actively hate us. Bit strange really as we don't hate them. Oh well fuck em anyway. C'mon you Villa boys
 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 22, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
I have a bit of a soft spot for Everton, always thought of them as a proper club (what with their history/ground/classic matches between us and players that played for both clubs etc). I think one of the problems with other clubs fans is that we have been that poor (in the PL) and mismanaged for that long that their perception of us has changed, especially with younger fans. We did stink the PL out for quite some time under project young and hungry (pretty criminal really).


Yeah, I don't mind Everton. I'll hate them if they beat us on Friday, but that'd be the same with any team that does so. And then I'll gradually go back to not minding them.

Far more likeable than scummy clubs like Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this.  We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.

Agreed. We havenít played badly in two games and lost both. Eventually if we play well consistently and continue to improve on the disciplines of the game the mental mistakes should decline and we will win. No reason why it canít be Friday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2019, 12:59:20 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.

Where's Ads and what have you done with him?!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2019, 01:04:35 PM
I need to see that first win to give me confidence we can stay up. I'm conditioned to us being nowhere near good enough for this league and I can't shake that feeling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Diablo on August 22, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this.  We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.
Like your thinking and attitude!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2019, 01:16:40 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.

Youíre right. But naivety comes often comes with inexperience. We have a strong structure at the club now. A manager who wants to learn as well as players who have proven they are responsive to his coaching. They will have studied the last two games and they will know where they have to improve. And it is at both ends of the pitch. Everton are a good team. They will over the course of the season challenge towards the top end of the table. But like most teams at this stage of the season they will be beatable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2019, 01:43:45 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.

Youíre right. But naivety comes often comes with inexperience. We have a strong structure at the club now. A manager who wants to learn as well as players who have proven they are responsive to his coaching. They will have studied the last two games and they will know where they have to improve. And it is at both ends of the pitch. Everton are a good team. They will over the course of the season challenge towards the top end of the table. But like most teams at this stage of the season they will be beatable.
My immediate concern is that we look a little lightweight; easy to bully. And, we need to look after the ball better.
Get these right and I think we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danno on August 22, 2019, 02:05:36 PM
I'm hoping to see the minor change of El Ghazi out Hourihane in with Grealish pushed further forward.

Oh and three points!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nelly on August 22, 2019, 02:12:35 PM
I like Everton from a distance but am often dismayed by some of their fans and their opinions of Villa. I need thicker skin I guess.

I think we're capable of winning, with en eye on on the type of football played, amount of chances created and possession we had against Bournemouth. That said there's absolutely no shame in a loss here, they are a better team and club than us currently, no question.

I think it's vital that we as fans keep our heads too. If we lose, the media will be stirring it up, making all sorts of nonsense up. Don't buy it, don't let it sink in. There's a whole season to go and so much time and room for our team to grow and improve.

3-2, last minute McGinn special.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Diablo on August 22, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 22, 2019, 03:07:58 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this


the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 22, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
Delph is out.  Digne is available unfortunately.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Diablo on August 22, 2019, 03:41:05 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this


the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable
Apparently they could have gone top of the league that Sunday if they'd won like they could do tomorrow. So what with that stat (30 years later) I wonder who will step up and be our unplayable Ian Ormondroyd tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: thick_mike on August 22, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this


the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable

I remember clearly one paper compared him to Eusebio!

Maybe this game and the last minute Ashley Young 2-3 game explain why they hate us?

Oh, and when big Ron played a mainly black 11 against them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this


One of my favourite matches.

Ormondroyd rampaging down the wing
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 22, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
I can't wait for this match Villa Park rocking under the lights on a Friday night bring it on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2019, 04:27:00 PM
Keown, Keown what's the score?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 22, 2019, 04:37:22 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.


I think we are quite capable of beating Everton

I still believe in this squad and I donít think we have seen anything like the best of it yet
But we do need to be more positive and have belief in ourselves
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 22, 2019, 04:46:03 PM
I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something?  Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something?  Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!

I drive a Range rover, and I am scruffy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: D.boy on August 22, 2019, 07:28:00 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 22, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 22, 2019, 07:45:02 PM
I agree in some ways but I really think Wesley should get more starts and more chances to build confidence in a game when weíre not under the cosh because weíre either rank underdogs or on the back foot from the first minute.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 22, 2019, 07:57:28 PM
They seemed to develop a hard on over us during MONS reign as they'd often out play us but we'd still get a result. Wether their dislike of us was there before that, fuck knows.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2019, 08:02:20 PM
Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this


One of my favourite matches.

Ormondroyd rampaging down the wing

I wouldn't like to admit to the amount of times I watched this on video as a kid.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on August 22, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
Surely their jealousy is because we are the biggest club in a much bigger city while they are, a brief period apart, the also rans in theirs.

I did like the 1980s Everton to be fair, but they've never looked like repeating that since.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
I like the badly dressed fans comments.

They're obviously referring to Percy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2019, 09:05:12 PM
Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.

Said it once, but I'll say it again, I am shit scared our failure to buy another striker is going to bite us on the arse.

Two games in and we're already talking about Keinan Davis - a totally unproven striker - being brought in. It's not good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 22, 2019, 09:08:20 PM
We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.

I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first,  we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.

Where's Ads and what have you done with him?!
Nice one Risso - That made me chuckle
Possibly for the first time ever I find myself agreeing totally with a post from Ads :)

Likewise I shall resist endorsing comments made by Evertonians made on their fanzines sites ........defending Scousers  et al has previously got me in hot water :)

I have many friends who follow Everton and without exception they have never made a disparaging comment to me about the Villa ...at least not to my face
I always think as a club they are on a par with our own club in most respects, with our ground being superior to theirs .....plus we have more than one song !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 22, 2019, 09:17:25 PM
I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal  I hope :) only kidding gsk
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 22, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
I've never experienced any hostility from Everton fans. Liverpool yes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2019, 09:20:16 PM
I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal  I hope :) only kidding gsk

I'm just glad we're not talking about Butland shockers for us !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 22, 2019, 09:27:43 PM
I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal  I hope :) only kidding gsk

I'm just glad we're not talking about Butland shockers for us !!
I'm hoping Heaton looks a bit more confident and that he is more  commanding in the air .... no doubting his ability as a showstopper, he just looked uncomfortable on crosses ....maybe still getting used to Mings and Engels around him
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on August 22, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.

Said it once, but I'll say it again, I am shit scared our failure to buy another striker is going to bite us on the arse.

Two games in and we're already talking about Keinan Davis - a totally unproven striker - being brought in. It's not good.
Itís a worry.  Canít we loan a striker or is the window also shut on loans?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something?  Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!

There were one of the poorest cities in western Europe not so long back. So if it's sartorial elegance that's holding us back, probably best not to go hunting in that general direction for tips.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on August 22, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
Sartorial snobbery from Scousers. Love it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2019, 12:14:02 AM
looking forward to this now
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2019, 12:18:02 AM
There may be a 12th minute applause.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 23, 2019, 06:32:20 AM
I dont mean to sound callous (I know this is for the 12th anniversary of a young Everton fans death) but all of these minutes applause for this fan or that fan is getting a bit out of hand.  I saw Blose had one the other night on the 50th minute. Sad as someones passing is, Brum is a city of 1 million, we'll be having minutes applause every minute of every match every week if we catered for everyone.

Ex players and managers yes when they go but fans and now anniversaries of the passing of fans. How many of these do people want? 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Perthvillan on August 23, 2019, 07:02:41 AM
I was watching an Everton fanzine on YouTube yesterday ("Toffee TV") and they were doing a preview on Friday's game.
They said quite a few complimentary things about us, such as us being a "big club" with a "proper" football ground and how it's good how we are back in the PL.
They also mentioned that Villa v Everton is the most played top flight fixture.

I see the poll is now running about 50/50.
I also went for a win (thinking a narrow 1-0).
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2019, 07:17:26 AM
Tough one to call. We haven't played that badly and should have got a got a point last time out. I'll go a narrow defeat. I can see us winning our first game at Palace.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on August 23, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
I dont mean to sound callous (I know this is for the 12th anniversary of a young Everton fans death) but all of these minutes applause for this fan or that fan is getting a bit out of hand.  I saw Blose had one the other night on the 50th minute. Sad as someones passing is, Brum is a city of 1 million, we'll be having minutes applause every minute of every match every week if we catered for everyone.

Ex players and managers yes when they go but fans and now anniversaries of the passing of fans. How many of these do people want? 

I know what you mean, but then Scousers "wallow" in this sort of thing don't they? Not my opinion of course but the opinion of our PM, and he wouldn't get to such high office making ill-informed and bigoted sweeping generalisations would he?

Anyway, I think a draw would be a mighty fine result, but I still believe that we retain the ability, with the players at our disposal, to play very well and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 23, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Did others see it as Grealish tiring and finding less stamina to get up and down the pitch in the last 10 or so minutes if the Bournemouth match.
I observed other players out run him and pass by him with the ball I think Elmo and Jota were two when in possession and getting back up the pitch from villas own half .
Something to keep eye on
He was certainly energetic at times Saturday , on the ball in the opposition half and final third and especially more so second half but observation he was running out of steam
Any thoughts on this from others ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 23, 2019, 10:57:15 AM
Come on you Villa boys! 3 points would be great, even a point to get something on the board would be fine, but letís go for the win, and show them whoís boss on our own pitch! UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2019, 01:46:35 PM
I'm not sure why certain players such as Targett have been told that they have to earn their spot over the incumbent, whereas as others like Heaton have walked straight into the team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 23, 2019, 02:38:49 PM
Did others see it as Grealish tiring and finding less stamina to get up and down the pitch in the last 10 or so minutes if the Bournemouth match.
I observed other players out run him and pass by him with the ball I think Elmo and Jota were two when in possession and getting back up the pitch from villas own half .
Something to keep eye on
He was certainly energetic at times Saturday , on the ball in the opposition half and final third and especially more so second half but observation he was running out of steam
Any thoughts on this from others ?

Players tire in last ten minutes of game shock!  Hold the back page!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on August 23, 2019, 02:41:13 PM
Changes for me tonight.
Start Trez on the left.
Drop El Ghazi and replace him with Elmo.
Bring in Freddy to play behind Elmo.

I also hope we get to see marvellous on the bench.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 23, 2019, 02:46:58 PM
Shaun Teale on Talksport soon talking about the game & Villa in general.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 23, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Heaton

Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert

Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous

Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet

The Smirker starting eleven.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2019, 03:20:15 PM
Anything could happen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2019, 03:24:35 PM
Heaton

Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert

Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous

Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet

The Smirker starting eleven.

Not sure Marvelous is fit - would go for Hourihane myself.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on August 23, 2019, 03:51:45 PM
Going for a 2-1 win, more in hope than reality, need to start getting points on the board, settle for a draw, lose this and we've got problems in spite of of just a few games in, this is the Premier League.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2019, 04:00:32 PM
I'm surprised at the amount of people who are pushing Jack out to a winger role.  He's our most talented player and will hopefully develop in one of the best No 10's in England.  Do we really want to be fucking around with his position 2 games into the season?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 23, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Quote of the day on the Everton forum - "Villa would love to be Everton. We are their white whale." Hahahaha hahaha. How self obsessed!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: malckennedy on August 23, 2019, 04:44:51 PM
Heaton

Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert

Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous

Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet

The Smirker starting eleven.

Exact 11 I was suggesting in a conversation this morning. With Grealish in a free role.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 23, 2019, 05:24:08 PM
Feeling nervous, which is ridiculous after only 2 games. Will relax, when we're 4 up with 3 minutes left.

Up The Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 23, 2019, 05:25:40 PM
Donít be surprised or disappointed if we donít see Guilbert and Targett in the side until Crewe next week. If he puts one or both in tonight then I will be happily surprised but I donít expect it will happen.

Iíd like to see Conor partner Luiz in a 4231 but I donít think Dean will change formation yet either, but he needs to drop AEG and get more support for Wes whatever changes he makes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2019, 05:33:17 PM
Changes for me tonight.
Start Trez on the left.
Drop El Ghazi and replace him with Elmo.
Bring in Freddy to play behind Elmo.

I also hope we get to see marvellous on the bench.

Playing Elmo on right wing for a home game is the kind of change Bruce would get dogs abuse for

I'd be really worried with Smith if there is no change at full back tonight, even one of them. As others have said there is no consistency in the likes of Heaton, Trez and Luiz walking into the team with very limited pre season action but Guilbert and Targett being left out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 23, 2019, 05:38:37 PM
Quote of the day on the Everton forum - "Villa would love to be Everton. We are their white whale." Hahahaha hahaha. How self obsessed!
He sounds like a right "Moby Dick"
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 23, 2019, 05:41:11 PM
Iíd rather be Liverpool, thanks. And I donít want to be them very much at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2019, 05:43:40 PM
White whale?  Don't geddit. I'd rather be their Jonah.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Everton Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 23, 2019, 06:26:41 PM
Referee: Michael Oliver
Fourth official: Graham Scott
VAR: Chris Kavanagh

Just over 7 years ago Oliver was ref of a 1-3 home defeat to Everton
Ciran Clark was sent off.

Last time he ref us in premier league 4-0 defeat to Everton.

He was the ref v Liverpool in the epic semi final win in 2015

Overall he as officiated 19 matches
Has sent off 1 villa player , Clark,  and 2 opponents in those matches   
We have won 5 drawn 5 lost 9

This season:
Oliver has whistled for 36 fouls in 2 matches .
18 a match .
Has shown a bias towards home teams so far in giving more free kicks to home team .
That comes from ref in Liverpool norwich and last week with Man City v Spurs.

Everton:
In 34 matches of Everton he has
Sent off 1 Everton player and  4 opponents Everton Have a W13 D13 L8 record when he's been ref

Last season :
9 penalities in 30 matches
3rd most awarded