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Title: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 04:57:14 PM
Just a harsh lesson at this level. Like last week stupid mistakes killed us. This isnít the Championship chaps. Very, very disappointing
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 04:59:02 PM
There is going to be a period of coming together. I get that. But we need to stamp out the mental errors. And I think Dean is way overthinking some of this. Play your best players in their best positions.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: wince on August 17, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
Poor. Need to find a foothold in this league. Last week was expected. This week was tragic. Canít see us getting anything from toffees game either....
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 17, 2019, 04:59:28 PM
Feeling deflated. Home games like that are where we need to get points.
We look weak up front.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
From the stats we battered them.

Sadly these 5-10 minutes lapses when we're giving up two goals isn't going to win us many games at this level.

Could understand it last week given the circumstances but starting in the manner today was a disaster.

Would expect 3-4 changes for Everton, both new full backs in will be starting I'd suspect.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 17, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Wake up call - if we didnít know by now, this is going to be a rough ride. Mistakes get punished ruthlessly in this league.

Itís still early days but we need to get some points on the board soon else the season looks like a long one already
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 17, 2019, 05:00:17 PM
Silly mistakes cost us early on.  If anyone thought we weren't going to suffer from awful refereeing decisions back in the top flight though, think again. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
Can't give teams a 2 goal start. Played decent after that but lack a cutting edge.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 17, 2019, 05:00:48 PM
The lads need our support for Friday. Let's get behind them come on Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2019, 05:00:54 PM
It were one of those horrible ones.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
Big fuck up.
I agree with the post about bringing Guilbert and Jota in for the next one on the right, and switch Trezeguet to the left.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on August 17, 2019, 05:01:06 PM
Going to be a long season playing like that. Not enough quality and far too many unforced errors against one of the poorer teams in the league. Easily the worse game Iíve seen Jack have in a Villa shirt. Gutted
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
Pissy thing is Spurs and the Cherries have won because of individual mistakes. Get them out of the system ( hopefully ) early days and we'll be a very entertaining team to watch. Thought everyone was excellent again today ( errors aside ) and it's going to click soon.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 17, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
Could be difficult to win the league from here. Need a draw at the Eithad this evening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:01:22 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 17, 2019, 05:01:26 PM
No-one in this division will give you a break, very few mistakes happen and you have to earn every single point.  We almost earned a point but have to be ruthless. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 17, 2019, 05:01:35 PM
Not good enough I'm afraid.  Two pisspoor mistakes from players who should know better and it's massively uphill from there.

We created quite a few decent chances but, guess what, had no cutting edge and it took a screamer to get us on the scoresheet.  Bournemouth could have had a couple more on the break.

Wesley, Kodjia and Davis is a big big worry and I can't see AEG or Jota chipping in with many either. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on August 17, 2019, 05:01:50 PM
Not a disaster but its coming down the tracks at us if we carry on like this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 17, 2019, 05:01:59 PM
Thought without question we deserved a draw for that second half performance.  Subs didn't help when needed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
If you only saw the other stats and not the game score youíd swear looking at this we won. We need to be clinical. Norwich have a proven goal scorer and look how effective Pukki was today. The inability to bring in another forward will hurt us.

(https://i.ibb.co/bPYDK3X/5-F184-B1-A-97-A9-4-E5-D-A947-605-B9-D10-C175.png) (https://ibb.co/bPYDK3X)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: passitsideways on August 17, 2019, 05:03:12 PM
The mistakes were poor but it still took a ridiculously jammy deflection for the second one to sneak in. Lacked the clinical edge afterwards which may be an ongoing problem unfortunately but the fact that the chances are being created is more important to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:03:12 PM
From the stats we battered them.

Sadly these 5-10 minutes lapses when we're giving up two goals isn't going to win us many games at this level.

Could understand it last week given the circumstances but starting in the manner today was a disaster.

Would expect 3-4 changes for Everton, both new full backs in will be starting I'd suspect.
Why the fullbacks? They both played well and none of them are to blame for losing either game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 17, 2019, 05:03:20 PM
Douglas Luiz (after a dodgy first 15) was excellent I thought, not withstanding the goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Wake up call - if we didnít know by now, this is going to be a rough ride. Mistakes get punished ruthlessly in this league.

Itís still early days but we need to get some points on the board soon else the season looks like a long one already

Yep. I actually don't think it's a bad thing.

Losing first two isn't great but Spurs away is one of the toughest out there in the league now. West Ham lost at home to Bournemouth 2-1 second game last season and indeed lost their first four games. They finished 10th.

Some of the predictions and hype on mainly untested signings was pretty crazy, this is a big step up. The league may be overhyped in many ways but there's plenty of quality even at mid range clubs as Bournemouth's front three showed today.

We need time to grow but points on the board are needed soon. Don't play Newcastle until late November so that's one disappointment as they look worse at least.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2019, 05:03:56 PM
I saw enough to make me think we'll get there.

Though there's no point in sending so many crosses in with nobody in the box. So often our build-up is full of precision until it goes to Elmo, who then seems to gamble with a hoof to nobody. Annoying.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:04:05 PM
Pissy thing is Spurs and the Cherries have won because of individual mistakes. Get them out of the system ( hopefully ) early days and we'll be a very entertaining team to watch. Thought everyone was excellent again today ( errors aside ) and it's going to click soon.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
From the stats we battered them.

Sadly these 5-10 minutes lapses when we're giving up two goals isn't going to win us many games at this level.

Could understand it last week given the circumstances but starting in the manner today was a disaster.

Would expect 3-4 changes for Everton, both new full backs in will be starting I'd suspect.
Why the fullbacks? They both played well and none of them are to blame for losing either game.

Creating more going forward most likely, both have been fine defensively but we're lacking creating good chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
Other worrying signs include Grealish looking like heís failing to impose himself in the PL as well as Iíd hoped (losing streak monkey on back?) and el ghazi looking every bit a championship player.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 17, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
Success is often down to making as few mistakes as possible, fewer than your opponent at least.  We've long had a habit of shooting ourselves in both feet.  We can't afford to do that too often in the PL.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect we’re getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, I’m sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We could’ve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglas’ FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadn’t gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life I’d say that game could’ve ended 4-0.

I’m not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu on August 17, 2019, 05:05:40 PM
Big let down. Learn from it, if possible. Can't see us getting anything from Everton on this showing - the team appears to be set up to counter attack all the time. 0-2 down at home, now what?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Shocking mistakes, Heatons was almost criminal and that set the tone.
Weseley looks a yard off the pace to be a threat at this level.
A long difficult season I am afraid.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
From the stats we battered them.

Sadly these 5-10 minutes lapses when we're giving up two goals isn't going to win us many games at this level.

Could understand it last week given the circumstances but starting in the manner today was a disaster.

Would expect 3-4 changes for Everton, both new full backs in will be starting I'd suspect.
Why the fullbacks? They both played well and none of them are to blame for losing either game.

I'm sort of in john e camp, can understand AEM playing to help out Trezeguet but full backs are such a huge part of the game going forward and Taylor certainly not going to cut it in the long term. Would get Targett in at least and see what he's up to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
From the stats we battered them.

Sadly these 5-10 minutes lapses when we're giving up two goals isn't going to win us many games at this level.

Could understand it last week given the circumstances but starting in the manner today was a disaster.

Would expect 3-4 changes for Everton, both new full backs in will be starting I'd suspect.
Why the fullbacks? They both played well and none of them are to blame for losing either game.

Creating more going forward most likely, both have been fine defensively but we're lacking creating good chances.
I agree Tayls doesn't do anything going forward but I can't fault him in his last 2 and I think he's usually crap. I think there might be small changes but it's down to lapses of concentration that have cost us so I don't think it's a case of a mass change.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Billy Walker on August 17, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
Keep the faith and stick together!  UTV.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:09:38 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:10:38 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect we’re getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, I’m sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We could’ve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglas’ FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadn’t gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life I’d say that game could’ve ended 4-0.

I’m not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

That’s got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats don’t win you games otherwise we’d have a statue of Lambert somewhere.

If 22 shots is toothless sign me up. Without counting Wesley’s two headers over, Jacks shoulder and McGinns drag wide right.

We went at them non-stop and with ease in that second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
22 shots and 1 goal. Spout stats at me all you want mate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:11:47 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
I agree, Bournemouth realized that as long as they kept thier shape which they did and did not allow too much space then the points were for the taking.
I thought it was a pretty comfortable win for them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:13:06 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
I agree, Bournemouth realized that as long as they kept thier shape which they did and did not allow too much space then the points were for the taking.
I thought it was a pretty comfortable win for them.

FWIW my Bournemouth mate said they were going to lose after the Luiz cracker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
Early days but I can take a lot of positives and at least you can see what we're trying to do and how we progress. Give it time and I think we'll be fine, definitely excited by some of the lads on the playing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:13:58 PM
22 shots and 1 goal. Spout stats at me all you want mate.

 ;D

Iíd rather spout stats than brew negativity.. two games in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on August 17, 2019, 05:14:18 PM
If we want to stay up we need to beat teams like this at home. Fuckin criminal mistakes to give them 2....When the fuck will we ever learn.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 17, 2019, 05:14:45 PM
We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 05:15:11 PM
Other worrying signs include Grealish looking like heís failing to impose himself in the PL as well as Iíd hoped (losing streak monkey on back?) and el ghazi looking every bit a championship player.

jack needs some discipline, it's fine wondering all over the park in the Championship but for much of the game he was marking El Ghazi. He needs to own his piece of the pitch which is as an attacking central midfielder. He's still dropping far too deep at times.

As for El Ghazi, it's pretty much like playing with 10 men. Today he won a corner and other than that just played the ball back to Taylor. A bit like us at the moment.. pointless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
Also, they had the better chances on the break, really caught us cold a few times. Mings was positionally dodgy on occasion. King and Wilson had poor games by their standards I thought - if not for that 0-4 also wouldnít have been an aberration based on the way the game flowed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:16:22 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.

If 22 shots is toothless sign me up. Without counting Wesleyís two headers over, Jacks shoulder and McGinns drag wide right.

We went at them non-stop and with ease in that second half.


BECAUSE they were 2-0 up.

They probably looked at our goalscoring efforts in the first half and decided they were safe. And they were.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
Also, they had the better chances on the break, really caught us cold a few times. Mings was positionally dodgy on occasion. King and Wilson had poor games by their standards I thought - if not for that 0-4 also wouldnít have been an aberration based on the way the game flowed.

But you discount the Trezeguet miss on the doorstep.. the grealish miss barely wide right.. the easy Wesley header over the bar.. the McGinn 12 yarder he dragged right.

Go have a beer son. Itís week 2.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 17, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
Long way to go. I am very disappointed atm though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
All of a sudden, it feels like three years is a fuck of a long time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:17:05 PM
22 shots and 1 goal. Spout stats at me all you want mate.

 ;D

Iíd rather spout stats than brew negativity.. two games in.

Brew negativity? What the fuck are you on about? Are we only allowed positive comments after a loss at home?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 17, 2019, 05:17:32 PM
MOTM Engells
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:17:46 PM
22 shots and 1 goal. Spout stats at me all you want mate.

 ;D

Iíd rather spout stats than brew negativity.. two games in.

Brew negativity? What the fuck are you on about? Are we only allowed positive comments after a loss at home?

Go have a beer son.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 17, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
Thought we did more than enough to earn a point but we lack a real threat going forward. Wes needs to impose himself more but he needs more support in the box too. Heís isolated too much. And our crossing was really poor throughout.

 El Ghazi and Grealish look off the pace strangely as I thought theyíd hit the ground running. Douglas and Engels big plus points as look comfortable.

No need to panic as played well in both games, just need a break.





Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
I agree, Bournemouth realized that as long as they kept thier shape which they did and did not allow too much space then the points were for the taking.
I thought it was a pretty comfortable win for them.

FWIW my Bournemouth mate said they were going to lose after the Luiz cracker.


He was wrong as well then?

😂
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 17, 2019, 05:19:09 PM
Unforced individual errors and a shockingly bad ref...even for Atkinson, that was very poor and he hasn't set himself a very high bar.

We played well second-half when we moved the ball a bit better but we are lacking a clinical striker - something many of us highlighted when the transfer window closed.

We had chances to get at least a draw, but need to start getting points on the board before our confidence is shot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
Also, they had the better chances on the break, really caught us cold a few times. Mings was positionally dodgy on occasion. King and Wilson had poor games by their standards I thought - if not for that 0-4 also wouldnít have been an aberration based on the way the game flowed.

But you discount the Trezeguet miss on the doorstep.. the grealish miss barely wide right.. the easy Wesley header over the bar.. the McGinn 12 yarder he dragged right.

Go have a beer son. Itís week 2.

You just described the very fact that we are toothless up front. Do you know what the expression means?

Iím alright thanks mate. Do you want to call me a knicker wetter or some other such shit?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
I agree, Bournemouth realized that as long as they kept thier shape which they did and did not allow too much space then the points were for the taking.
I thought it was a pretty comfortable win for them.

FWIW my Bournemouth mate said they were going to lose after the Luiz cracker.


He was wrong as well then?

😂

Just saying.. it wasnít ďcomfortableĒ
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
Much better when the full backs got further forward.  Iím not sure why Guilbert isnít the 18 as he looked very good in pre season. Seems to have an extra yard of pace as well.  Taylor again was decent but Iíd like to think Targett is an improvement given the money spent on him.

A word on Wesley. A much better player with the ball at his feet. Needs to come deeper to get the ball for me with the midfield and wingers running off him. 

Heaton has had a mare for the first but an easy pass inside of Elmo and they are away.  Luiz did well after that mistake as he could of hidden after that.

Hopefully thatís the last time we get Martin Atkinson. No shock their player got hooked at half time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:20:09 PM
22 shots and 1 goal. Spout stats at me all you want mate.

 ;D

Iíd rather spout stats than brew negativity.. two games in.

Brew negativity? What the fuck are you on about? Are we only allowed positive comments after a loss at home?

Go have a beer son.

You did that one and it was a pretty weak effort the first time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
Poor effort. All that preparation chucked away by thick as shit mistakes in the first 10 minutes.

Decent possession etc after that but very little goal threat. Team looks unbalanced in a worryingly 2015/16 esque way.

Expect weíre getting beaten again on Friday so I just hope the team spirit is resilient enough to cope while we struggle to get going and figure out where the goals are coming from.

This post is completely wrong, Iím sorry.

We dominated them for the last 50 minutes. Lop-sided possession stats. Grealish and McGinn getting forward with ease. Wesley finally playing with some urgency. We couldíve scored 3 or 4 headers in the second half. Engels and Mings were comfortable all game. Not to mention Douglasí FIRST PL match.

If Bournemouth hadnít gotten the luckiest 15 minutes of their life Iíd say that game couldíve ended 4-0.

Iím not happy about the loss, duh. What I am unhappy about is that it took us 40 minutes to get the car out of park.

Thatís got more to do with the fact that they played almost the whole game with a 2 goal buffer. As if they gave a shit about our possession stats when we look so completely toothless up front. Possession stats donít win you games otherwise weíd have a statue of Lambert somewhere.
I agree, Bournemouth realized that as long as they kept thier shape which they did and did not allow too much space then the points were for the taking.
I thought it was a pretty comfortable win for them.

What needs to be remember is regardless of how big their ground is and their history Bournemouth are a very streetwise premier league team now, this is their fifth straight year in the division.

I thought they killed the game pretty well after we got back to 2-1 especially last ten minutes when they were taking their time over corners and keeping possession and doing nothing stupid. With us you'd suspect it will be just hoofing the ball anywhere or being in mass panic.

From the distances seems the perception is teams like Southampton, Burnley and Brighton aren't up to much but my fear is when we actually play them they'll have more nous in their general play than we do at key times. Burnley ran Arsenal very close today so that will be another tough one when we play them in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
Also, they had the better chances on the break, really caught us cold a few times. Mings was positionally dodgy on occasion. King and Wilson had poor games by their standards I thought - if not for that 0-4 also wouldnít have been an aberration based on the way the game flowed.

But you discount the Trezeguet miss on the doorstep.. the grealish miss barely wide right.. the easy Wesley header over the bar.. the McGinn 12 yarder he dragged right.

Go have a beer son. Itís week 2.

You just described the very fact that we are toothless up front. Do you know what the expression means?

Iím alright thanks mate. Do you want to call me a knicker wetter or some other such shit?

Stop being a drama queen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2019, 05:21:18 PM
Poor result that. Thatís far too sloppy at the back at this level. We also look very light of goals up front. We have to be much better or weíre in trouble.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:21:26 PM
The real fear is that Wesley is not dynamic enough for this level, Look at the movement and pace of Wilson and King who were feeding off scraps.
El Ghazi did very little again so I am struggling to see where the goals are coming from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.

Maybe the solution is to play them together.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:22:36 PM
Also, they had the better chances on the break, really caught us cold a few times. Mings was positionally dodgy on occasion. King and Wilson had poor games by their standards I thought - if not for that 0-4 also wouldnít have been an aberration based on the way the game flowed.

But you discount the Trezeguet miss on the doorstep.. the grealish miss barely wide right.. the easy Wesley header over the bar.. the McGinn 12 yarder he dragged right.

Go have a beer son. Itís week 2.

You just described the very fact that we are toothless up front. Do you know what the expression means?

Iím alright thanks mate. Do you want to call me a knicker wetter or some other such shit?

Stop being a drama queen.

I get half a point for that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
Problem is this result puts pressure on other games. We needed point(s) from this game. Yes it is early, but I donít think we will beat Everton, so onto Palace, scary
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:23:55 PM
Problem is this result puts pressure on other games. We needed point(s) from this game. Yes it is early, but I don’t think we will beat Everton, so onto Palace, scary

Why can’t we beat Everton..? I think they had 2 shots on goal against Watford today..
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
El Ghazi is a strange one. Between scoring at the Yawnthorns and about April he looked a cert to be going back to his parent club. Is he going to be the kind of player who has long spells of ineffectiveness? Or is he just unsuited to the Prem?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 17, 2019, 05:25:02 PM
I didn't think we were that bad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
The real fear is that Wesley is not dynamic enough for this level, Look at the movement and pace of Wilson and King who were feeding off scraps.
El Ghazi did very little again so I am struggling to see where the goals are coming from.

Is the expectation really that he would hit the ground running and resemble someone with a few seasons in this league under his belt?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:25:42 PM
Up front, you have Wesley, Davis and Kodj. Wesley and Davis are basically the same player, so can Kodjia play alongside either? Because Smith isn't going to drop Wesley yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.

Maybe the solution is to play them together.

Would rip up the Dean Smith blueprint of pretty much his whole managerial career. Guess 3-5-2 is feasible with the squad but didn't he rule that out in pre season at a fans forum?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 17, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
What needs to be remember is regardless of how big their ground is and their history Bournemouth are a very streetwise premier league team now, this is their fifth straight year in the division.
This is a point I was making at the beginning of the season.  A lot of people were saying 'we'll have too much for teams a, b, c, x, y and z' based on absolutely nothing - certainly not based on anything our players might have proved.  A lot of the so-called lesser teams in the PL are just as SoccerHQ describes Bournemouth.  They know the league, the opposition and each other a lot better than our managers and players do.  This was always going to be a very tough season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: onebyone12 on August 17, 2019, 05:26:47 PM
absolutely shat ourselves today, thought we played well enough after the damage was done but that counts for FA. As for the next two we need two draws minimum.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:27:01 PM
Problem is this result puts pressure on other games. We needed point(s) from this game. Yes it is early, but I donít think we will beat Everton, so onto Palace, scary

Why canít we beat Everton..? I think they had 2 shots on goal against Watford today..

Just my opinion, I think they will be better than Bournemouth, obviously hope Iím wrong and you are right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:27:47 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.

Maybe the solution is to play them together.

Would rip up the Dean Smith blueprint of pretty much his whole managerial career. Guess 3-5-2 is feasible with the squad but didn't he rule that out in pre season at a fans forum?

This is the trouble with being light on options up front. Heís boxed himself right in in terms of changing things up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 17, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: wince on August 17, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
It is thankfully early days but Iím gonna have that beer if nobody else will
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2019, 05:28:49 PM
Played quite well, but absolutely nothing up front. Wesley isnít ready for this league, and we have nothing else.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 17, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
Did Davis come on ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:30:17 PM
For the sake of argument, we're looking for ten wins and ten draws to be certain of stopping up. At the moment, does that look likely?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
The real fear is that Wesley is not dynamic enough for this level, Look at the movement and pace of Wilson and King who were feeding off scraps.
El Ghazi did very little again so I am struggling to see where the goals are coming from.

Is the expectation really that he would hit the ground running and resemble someone with a few seasons in this league under his belt?
I think the hope was that he would be good enough at this level, based on the evidence so far he isnít.
My concerns are around his movement towards goal scoring opportunities when we attack  he seemed to be easily covered by the defenders.
He did not pose a threat in the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 17, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
Sounds like we dominated but lacked the cutting edge.

Little Bournemouth are an established top flight team now and a notch above anything we will have played in the Championship last year.

Plenty of promise in the last two games.

West Ham went 4-5 (?)  games without a win at the start of last season and were still comfortably midtable in the end. They are a better team than us, mind.

If we go five without a win questions will be asked. If it's closer to 10, Deano's long term prospects won't look so hot. The nature of the beast. For me, If we have 3-4 wins going into December, we should be OK this year. Yes it would be nice if we cut a swathe through the league, but this year was always realistically going to be about consolidation.

No need to panic. Yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2019, 05:31:14 PM
I thought we played alright to be honest and probably deserved a point. Like the Sheff Wed's game last season or whenever it was, their early goal killed it. Take that away and I think the game would have evened itself out and possibly finished a draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:31:54 PM
What needs to be remember is regardless of how big their ground is and their history Bournemouth are a very streetwise premier league team now, this is their fifth straight year in the division.
This is a point I was making at the beginning of the season.  A lot of people were saying 'we'll have too much for teams a, b, c, x, y and z' based on absolutely nothing - certainly not based on anything our players might have proved.  A lot of the so-called lesser teams in the PL are just as SoccerHQ describes Bournemouth.  They know the league, the opposition and each other a lot better than our managers and players do.  This was always going to be a very tough season.

Spot on agree
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2019, 05:32:03 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:32:14 PM
Played quite well, but absolutely nothing up front. Wesley isnít ready for this league, and we have nothing else.
Yes thatís how I see it
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
I thought we played alright to be honest and probably deserved a point. Like the Sheff Wed's game last season or whenever it was, their early goal killed it. Take that away and I think the game would have evened itself out and possibly finished a draw.

But it didnít...
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 17, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
We played pretty well last week and lost.  We played okay this week and lost.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:33:12 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 17, 2019, 05:33:16 PM
On a side note, looks like Ollie Watkins scored for Brentford again today. Could be an option in January.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2019, 05:33:43 PM
No need to panic, but my only concern is we look very goal shy. Hopefully Wes will settle and come good, but it does look like weíve left ourselves short up top.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 05:34:09 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.

Maybe the solution is to play them together.

Would rip up the Dean Smith blueprint of pretty much his whole managerial career. Guess 3-5-2 is feasible with the squad but didn't he rule that out in pre season at a fans forum?

If the blueprint is get it wide to the wingers to throw in crosses for the striker he may have to rip it up, at least short term. It's well documented Wesley's main weakness is his heading. Whatever the solution, he needs to find a way to score more goals.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 05:34:16 PM
The real fear is that Wesley is not dynamic enough for this level, Look at the movement and pace of Wilson and King who were feeding off scraps.
El Ghazi did very little again so I am struggling to see where the goals are coming from.

Is the expectation really that he would hit the ground running and resemble someone with a few seasons in this league under his belt?
I think the hope was that he would be good enough at this level, based on the evidence so far he isnít.
My concerns are around his movement towards goal scoring opportunities when we attack  he seemed to be easily covered by the defenders.
He did not pose a threat in the last 2 games.

I thought he and the team looked better when he came deeper to get the ball. First half he was very isolated but came into the game as it went on. Reckon he could do with one going in off his backside!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2019, 05:35:30 PM
Is it ok to ask if the cobs were real cobs?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:35:42 PM
For the sake of argument, we're looking for ten wins and ten draws to be certain of stopping up. At the moment, does that look likely?


Well I had Bournemouth (game) down for a win. A draw at the very least.

I'd say it's not looking "likely", as things stand.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
The real fear is that Wesley is not dynamic enough for this level, Look at the movement and pace of Wilson and King who were feeding off scraps.
El Ghazi did very little again so I am struggling to see where the goals are coming from.

Is the expectation really that he would hit the ground running and resemble someone with a few seasons in this league under his belt?
I think the hope was that he would be good enough at this level, based on the evidence so far he isnít.
My concerns are around his movement towards goal scoring opportunities when we attack  he seemed to be easily covered by the defenders.
He did not pose a threat in the last 2 games.

I thought he and the team looked better when he came deeper to get the ball. First half he was very isolated but came into the game as it went on. Reckon he could do with one going in off his backside!
It doesnít change the concern that he offers no goal threat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
I'm hoping that once we start putting decent crosses in Wesley will bag a couple and move on from there. Benteke took some time to find his feet (albeit scoring on debut) but at the moment we're looking very square peg round hole in terms of our attacking play. Everyone is almost in the right place at the right time but getting in one another's way or not putting their heads up. Grealish especially is all over the place, and not in the good way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
well i thought we'd solved the goalkeeper conundrum but perhaps not - a ridiculous penalty give away before everyone had time to take their seats and we were always under pressure from then on. Admittedly, their 2nd took a big deflection but we never really threatened an experienced Bournemouth side. Wes was pretty useless to be honest - plays far too deep and offers little more than Davis, Douglas looked quite good, Trez ok. Of the other new boys, i though Engles was probably the best. Very early days, but on the evidence so far, it's going to be a tough season. Hate to say it but more resources should have gone on a couple of forwards, rather than the luxury of buys like Konsa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: onebyone12 on August 17, 2019, 05:40:24 PM
I see Sturridge is linked with Monaco, are we all certian that we don't want him? I'd have him for the season sicknote or not.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 17, 2019, 05:40:46 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 17, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Hard one to judge because of the disasterous first 10 minutes.

5 goals conceeded and 4 of them were individual errors. We simply have to cut that out.

I get that starting a new back line would of been a risk and keeping some continuity is sensible but we absolutely havevto get Guilbert and Targett as our full backs asap, Taylor and Elmo haven't been bad by any means but we need more agile full backs.

Luiz (cluster fuck aside) looked technically very good and comfortable in tight space, Engels and Mings comfortable again.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ez on August 17, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
I don't know how we are just yet. We've played one of the best teams and lost, and played Bournemouth going 2-0 behind early on. The second half against Bournemouth was an improvement but then it was nothing less than i would expect it to be. The Everton game may tell us more providing there's no daft mistakes early on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.

Agreed.


There was a mountain of positivity before the game we just lost.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 17, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
We are not in the bottom three.  Hopefully, we might get a surprise against Everton and not be in it next week either!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 17, 2019, 05:43:46 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.

Agreed.


There was a mountain of positivity before the game we just lost.

Not in your house there wasn't, barely a lump in there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2019, 05:44:12 PM
Our first few games in the championship were littered with personal mistakes, it happens with new team coming together. Itís unforgiving though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:44:41 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.

FWIW, Benteke had 1 goal in his first 7 matches for us.. an established Premier League squad at the time. Let's see if Wesley can come good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
The difference being that there was a Rotherham or Barnsley that you could reset a bad run with. Here we're looking at resetting an early wobble against Everton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 17, 2019, 05:45:45 PM
I'm more angry about the referee and VAR. Billing should've been off.

Soft referee.

Martin Atkinson, Leeds fan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.

FWIW, Benteke had 1 goal in his first 7 matches for us.. an established Premier League squad at the time. Let's see if Wesley can come good.

Missed a hatful of chances against Fulham at their place. Looked shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 05:46:13 PM
The difference being that there was a Rotherham or Barnsley that you could reset a bad run with. Here we're looking at resetting an early wobble against Everton.

at home on a Friday night.. I think we'll be up for it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:46:30 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.

Agreed.


There was a mountain of positivity before the game we just lost.

Not in your house there wasn't, barely a lump in there.


I predicted us to win by two clear goals. So there was plenty of positivity and expectation. When will I ever learn. 😂
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
The difference being that there was a Rotherham or Barnsley that you could reset a bad run with. Here we're looking at resetting an early wobble against Everton.

at home on a Friday night.. I think we'll be up for it.

I am aching for you to be right. I thought we'd be up for it today, but something about the confidence everyone exuded was setting it up as a rude awakening for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 17, 2019, 05:49:16 PM
We looked less threatening up front than we did in pre-season because we'retaking too many touches before we cross so instead of attackers and defenders running towards the goal they're stood waiting, this is why Targett and Guilbert need to come in before too long. I don't care if people think Elmo and Taylor have done ok, they're not getting forward quick enough or with enough quality to unbalance sides and we've got a couple of guys in reserve who look like they can do much better in that aspect.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Be careful with this "shots on target" comfort blanket. I remember most of them only just reaching the goalkeeper . I'm not sure he had to make any great saves.

The goal from Douglas was a beauty though. No one was saving that!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.

FWIW, Benteke had 1 goal in his first 7 matches for us.. an established Premier League squad at the time. Let's see if Wesley can come good.
I think he'll be ok with a few more games under his belt. With all the ball and chances we made he didn't really have anything clean cut to run on or head.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: enigma on August 17, 2019, 05:51:39 PM
Thought we did OK and more than matched them in the 2nd half so can be encouraged by that but we need to be switched on from the very first minute or those lapses will continue to cost us. We can't afford to drop cheap points like that at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 17, 2019, 05:52:12 PM
It is early days, we have to learn and do it quickly. We have enough talent in this squad and the younger players will start to get to grips with things. Positivity and support is whatís needed over the next few weeks.

Agreed.


There was a mountain of positivity before the game we just lost.

Not in your house there wasn't, barely a lump in there.


I predicted us to win by two clear goals. So there was plenty of positivity and expectation. When will I ever learn. 😂

Oh. I thought you said "Well I had Bournemouth down for a win. A draw at the very least."  A whole page ago, unless I've got the wrong person.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 17, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Oh. I thought you said "Well I had Bournemouth down for a win. A draw at the very least."  A whole page ago, unless I've got the wrong person.
Not to put words in his mouth but didn't he mean 'Well I had [the Bournemouth game] down for a win'?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2019, 05:53:51 PM
I assumed he meant us to beat Bournemouth or at the very least get a point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 17, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
Oh. I thought you said "Well I had Bournemouth down for a win. A draw at the very least."  A whole page ago, unless I've got the wrong person.
Not to put words in his mouth but didn't he mean 'Well I had [the Bournemouth game] down for a win'?


That's the correct context. I should have put Bournemouth game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 17, 2019, 05:55:25 PM
Oh. I thought you said "Well I had Bournemouth down for a win. A draw at the very least."  A whole page ago, unless I've got the wrong person.
Not to put words in his mouth but didn't he mean 'Well I had [the Bournemouth game] down for a win'?

That's how I read it as well. Chill, Bathhouse.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2019, 06:00:12 PM
Be careful with this "shots on target" comfort blanket. I remember most of them only just reaching the goalkeeper . I'm not sure he had to make any great saves.


No but you can also have sitters without it being on target - ie Grealish's header when he should have scored. Trezeguet had a shot cleared off the line by someone other than their goalkeeper, surely as much of a shot ''on target'' than one that brings a save from the goalie.
We huffed and puffed, moreso in the last ten minutes, but we also created chances and opening fairly frequently for an hour or so. I think we have technical players in the middle and wings that are capable of making things happen at this level. It's up-front (and possibly defence) where the question mark is.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 17, 2019, 06:01:04 PM
Bricked it early on, making mistakes, then created loads of chances, but no bite in the penalty area = the inevitable
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 06:01:21 PM
Be careful with this "shots on target" comfort blanket. I remember most of them only just reaching the goalkeeper . I'm not sure he had to make any great saves.


No but you can also have sitters without it being on target - ie Grealish's header when he should have scored. Trezeguet had a shot cleared off the line by someone other than their goalkeeper, surely as much of a shot ''on target'' than one that brings a save from the goalie.
We huffed and puffed, moreso in the last ten minutes, but we also created chances and opening fairly frequently for an hour or so. I think we have technical players in the middle and wings that are capable of making things happen at this level. It's up-front (and possibly defence) where the question mark is.
 

Totally agree. Taylor had a sitter cleared off the line too. Opted for the outside of his boot for whatever reason..
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: levico on August 17, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Very disappointing.
Full backs didnít look convincing.
Grealish not on his game
Luiz started badly but improved steadily - great goal.
Wesley the biggest worry for me. Hopefully heíll come good but if there is any one reason why we may fail this year itís because of the dearth of reliable strikers.

On the plus side, we didnít give up battling and it was quite entertaining to watch.
A season being Ďplucky losersí?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 17, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Oh. I thought you said "Well I had Bournemouth down for a win. A draw at the very least."  A whole page ago, unless I've got the wrong person.
Not to put words in his mouth but didn't he mean 'Well I had [the Bournemouth game] down for a win'?

That's how I read it as well. Chill, Bathhouse.

I'm perfectly chilled, thanks. I misunderstood his comment, that's all. Happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 06:05:43 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.

FWIW, Benteke had 1 goal in his first 7 matches for us.. an established Premier League squad at the time. Let's see if Wesley can come good.
I think he'll be ok with a few more games under his belt. With all the ball and chances we made he didn't really have anything clean cut to run on or head.
I think it was more that he was not getting there or making runs that attract goal scoring oppportunities.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 17, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
- Played ok but you can't start like that and expect to get anything in this league

- Full backs are a hindrance when we attack and they offer nothing going forward

- Grealish needs to get his act together and fast. Poor in both games so far

- Wesley. Zero goal threat and looks off the pace. He's going to struggle to get five goals never mind double figures. If the goals dry up from midfield we're in big trouble

- Having Davis to bring on as your only striking option is a worry. Neither him or Kodjia are anywhere near Premier League standard. Spent £130m but left ourselves massively short in the most important area of the pitch

- Everton is a massive game already to show we do belong here and to get some confidence amongst the players and fans
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2019, 06:08:32 PM
Lots of positives but gift any team a 2-0 start from individual cock-ups it's going to be a struggle in any league let alone the PL.

There's a lot of skill in the team and I think we'll be fine, even though Bournemouth at home is the sort of game we have to win in our mini/bottom 14 league.

I thought referees in the Championship were bad enough, but Martin Atkinson takes the biscuit for bottling giving Billing a second yellow card, even though he could/should have given him two in the space of as many minutes. Good game management by Howe for taking him off at half time.

High points of the afternoon - Doug's goal, and the complete absence of a Chinese flag on top of the Witton Lane stand
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: BC Villain on August 17, 2019, 06:09:15 PM
More of a wake up call than last week for me.  Bournemouth are an established Premier League club and are more streetwise than we are - especially all of the new boys.

Some encouraging signs again, but the reality is that Premier League is unforgiving and punishing when you drop a bollock.  Dean and the players need to learn this and QUICKLY.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 06:09:38 PM
I'd like to see us go with this side against Everton.  The full backs haven't done a lot wrong to be fair but I think we need to offer more going forward, but still have the insurance of defensive midfielders.  Grealish not stuck out on the wing but floating around, as he does.  I also appreciate that you are not supposed to pick the team on the coach on the way back from the game, but here goes;
                   Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
         Nakamba   Douglas
  Grealish   McGinn  Trezeguet
                 Wesley

The problem with width is whatís the point of crosses with no aerial threat up top? Grealish missed an easy header and without him youíve got the likes of McGinn and Taylor in the box with very little chance of getting on the end of anything.

I like the look of Wesley in a lot of aspects but he doesnít seem to be any threat in the air, movement not great, and that doesnít half narrow down your options going forward.

We had 7 shots on target today and I feel, if Wesley isn't that useful, the goals have to come from elsewhere.  Targett and Guilbert are better, scoring wise that Taylor and Elmo.  All about opinions I suppose but the goals don't need to necessarily come from the centre forward alone.

FWIW, Benteke had 1 goal in his first 7 matches for us.. an established Premier League squad at the time. Let's see if Wesley can come good.
I think he'll be ok with a few more games under his belt. With all the ball and chances we made he didn't really have anything clean cut to run on or head.
I think it was more that he was not getting there or making runs that attract goal scoring oppportunities.
Hmmm, I disagree. I watched him come of his man a few times and made angle runs but wasn't being picked out by Jack or John. And the crosses were either lofted floaties or behind him. I think there's a player there....might be wrong but it's taken a quite few players over the years at top clubs to get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2019, 06:14:14 PM
Tuscans you probably had a better view, letís hope you are right Mate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 17, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-bmouth/407992)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2019, 06:17:01 PM
Tuscans you probably had a better view, letís hope you are right Mate.
Ha Ha, it was probably as good a view as yours mate, on the sofa in front of the laptop. I suppose I'm hoping a bit but I don't think anyone can write him off just yet until he has the chances and doesn't put them away. They can't all be Dublins and Bentekes straight away...some might be Forlans!  ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 17, 2019, 06:18:49 PM
Dean got it wrong today - I hope he realizes soon that in this league, we need to be bold and adventurous.

The full backs did nothing wrong but nothing right either and without adventure there, itís like playing with 10 men - he has to go for it and bring in Targett and Guilbert against Everton. We need to score goals else this league kills you.

And Dean has to get hold of Grealish and really start coaching him as the leader of this team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: mallo on August 17, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
Itís going to be a long season. Weíll get better but will it be quick enough. Bit worried about Wes and goals. Still, weíve got cash and if needs be we can get a striker in Jan. I think the smaller squads will struggle with injuries so am still optimistic weíll beat the drop. Newcastle look awful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: phantom limb on August 17, 2019, 06:26:11 PM
Mixed feelings about the game. Hopefully weíve worked out that giving teams who are set up to counter attack you a 2 goal head start within 15 minutes isnít the best way to go about things. They had very quick players and were first to every second ball in the first half, but we did improve. Wes really struggled, and I think we saw both the best and the worst of Douglas but I think they will come good within time.

Thought Atkinson was poor, we certainly didnít get the rub of the green with decisions. What did their guy have to do to get sent off?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2019, 06:27:41 PM
Villa Park was great today. Went early and spent some time in the family fun zone. New signage is excellent and oh the ST cards didnít work had to queue up for paper tickets but other than that itís just the result that was disappointing.
Despite the horror show in the first 12 minutes we should have won this game. We were wasteful and naive. Need to grow up fast to survive.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on August 17, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
The mistakes we made today weren't punished just because we are in the Premier League. They were just rank poor mistakes.

Bournemouth have decent forwards but are often a sieve as well so although we were better than them in the second half and deserved something from the game, we had to do better with the crosses and the shots. Aside from the blocks and the header, there was wayward shooting from good positions and as Hourihane didn't feature, our goal threat was further diminished.

I know it's early, but I don't get Wesley and the approach play with him seems muddled and the outcome random. The bizarre lack of decent forward options compounds the issue.

Fans complained about the refereeing in the Championship, but if Atkinson is anything to go by, my expectations won't be high.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 17, 2019, 06:30:21 PM
I canít see how the Fulham thing can be thrown at us anymore when we continually play the team that got us promoted. For me, Taylor and Elmo werenít the correct selections in a game where we needed to attack from the off. Targett and Fred (is he injured) should have started. If itís because of this ďcontinuityĒ reason, then I certainly think Jed steer will be watching and scratching his head.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 17, 2019, 06:30:27 PM
From what I've seen of the opening two weekends, our players are good enough. Our play is good enough. Individual errors are killing us. Frustrated, annoyed, but confident.

I still want more from the triumvirate that saw us over the line last season, Grealish, McGinn and El Ghazi. All three need to be quicker in thought and deed. And put some weight in the passes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Is it worth going for Llorente on a short-term basis? Could do a job up until January and at least it'd be another option.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
possibly, we need something. Does anyone know why Guilbert isn't even making the squad after playing so well in pre-season? I can understand Nakamba  not being up to speed but omitting Fred seems barmy. And El Ghazi needs dropping for Everton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2019, 06:39:13 PM
Is it worth going for Llorente on a short-term basis? Could do a job up until January and at least it'd be another option.

I think bigger fish than us are in for him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on August 17, 2019, 06:44:42 PM
Not quite sure why our full backs are coming in for any criticism.
Of all of our longer serving players, both Elmo and Taylor have stepped up massively.
I go so far as to say that Elmo is also the best winger at the club and Iíd rather see him playing in the position occupied by either AEG or Trezeguet.

I think both McGinn and Jack are struggling to pick up the pace and power of the prem and need to pick up on their performances.
Once they do though I think we will see a big improvement in the results.

Iím glad we have for these two Ďfirstsí out of the way.

I
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on August 17, 2019, 06:45:36 PM
. Easily the worse game Iíve seen Jack have in a Villa shirt. Gutted
[/quote]  wtf? created more chances for others today than any other player in the Premier league. Assist too for Luiz.
Was you at the game?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
Is it worth going for Llorente on a short-term basis? Could do a job up until January and at least it'd be another option.

I think bigger fish than us are in for him.

Money talks. We can afford to get him in even if the wages are steep. We simply have to try and stay in this League.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on August 17, 2019, 06:46:53 PM
Tuscans you probably had a better view, letís hope you are right Mate.
I agree with Tuscans
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
Not quite sure why our full backs are coming in for any criticism.
Of all of our longer serving players, both Elmo and Taylor have stepped up massively.
I go so far as to say that Elmo is also the best winger at the club and Iíd rather see him playing in the position occupied by either AEG or Trezeguet.

I think both McGinn and Jack are struggling to pick up the pace and power of the prem and need to pick up on their performances.
Once they do though I think we will see a big improvement in the results.

Iím glad we have for these two Ďfirstsí out of the way.

I

I rate Trezeguet. Heís strong on the ball and always wants to go forward. I like his confidence and think heíll adapt to this league quickly. Not really sure what you mean about McGinn.. I thought he mightíve been the best player out there today. At certain points I felt like he had the team on his back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 06:49:47 PM
We looked less threatening up front than we did in pre-season because we'retaking too many touches before we cross so instead of attackers and defenders running towards the goal they're stood waiting, this is why Targett and Guilbert need to come in before too long. I don't care if people think Elmo and Taylor have done ok, they're not getting forward quick enough or with enough quality to unbalance sides and we've got a couple of guys in reserve who look like they can do much better in that aspect.

Agree with this, first half we struggled to beat their press as it was a flat back 4 which is very easy to pen in, second half they got forward more and that also meant Luiz could take the ball off the centre halves with more space as well.

I agree with many that Elmo and Taylor have done well first 2 games but for me they are not offensive enough as players.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on August 17, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
Not quite sure why our full backs are coming in for any criticism.
Of all of our longer serving players, both Elmo and Taylor have stepped up massively.
I go so far as to say that Elmo is also the best winger at the club and Iíd rather see him playing in the position occupied by either AEG or Trezeguet.

I think both McGinn and Jack are struggling to pick up the pace and power of the prem and need to pick up on their performances.
Once they do though I think we will see a big improvement in the results.

Iím glad we have for these two Ďfirstsí out of the way.

I
Taylor had a very good game as he did last week. Almost scored too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2019, 06:51:23 PM
how that Billing stayed on the pitch .

That ref was absolute crap.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on August 17, 2019, 06:52:12 PM
Iím pretty despondent after that game; we gifted them two early goals and struggled to create much throughout the 90 minutes. Bournemouth had half the first team missing and looked pretty comfortable holding onto the lead. We looked ponderous up front and it is these type of games where we need to get points at home to give us a chance of remaining in the league. Todayís game reminded me how the so called best refs are still shit and watching Bournemouth diving around and time wasting constantly makes it doubly frustrating.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 17, 2019, 06:53:51 PM
Villa Park was great today. Went early and spent some time in the family fun zone. New signage is excellent and oh the ST cards didnít work had to queue up for paper tickets but other than that itís just the result that was disappointing.
Despite the horror show in the first 12 minutes we should have won this game. We were wasteful and naive. Need to grow up fast to survive.


With ya, mate. I've had a brilliant day, all told, despite customer service and stepover and sleepy goalkeeper issues.

Any update on the cob/bap matter?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Betteh Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 17, 2019, 07:00:30 PM
Apart from the goals, both of which were our own fault, Heaton didn't have much to do. We were the better side, especially in the second half.

The only concern I have is that we don't have a natural goalscorer. Tammy used to get in the right positions time and again throughout games. We haven't replaced him and there has to be a question mark over where the goals are going to come from.

We need Wesley to 'do a Benteke' sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2019, 07:01:23 PM
We are already under big pressure.  Same as 2015 no one to score the goals.  Assuming we lose 12 games against the so called top six we have 25 games after today to get 35-40 points.  Going to be a long hard season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 17, 2019, 07:04:09 PM
We are already under big pressure.  Same as 2015 no one to score the goals.  Assuming we lose 12 games against the so called top six we have 25 games after today to get 35-40 points.  Going to be a long hard season.

Get a grip of yourself ffs.  You were the same last season after Bristol City won a game in the last minute on a day when we weren't even playing.  How did that result affect the league table?

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2019, 07:07:15 PM
Iím being told off.  Iím gonna cry now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2019, 07:07:33 PM
No need to panic after that, we will take time to gel. Second half was much better.

Slight concern over Wesley. Wins nothing in the air despite being extremely tail, easily knocked off the ball and his body language at times is a little annoying.

Awful errors for their goals but Luiz grew into the game very well and his goal was magnificent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 17, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
Iím being told off.  Iím gonna cry now.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 17, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
The poor crossing from our full backs is costing a lot of effort and no result
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 17, 2019, 07:12:27 PM
The poor crossing from our full backs is costing a lot of effort and no result

Yes, I agree.  I'm a fan of Elmo but his crossing was poor today.

Possibly another introduction next week following Luiz today? 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2019, 07:14:39 PM
It's early days I know but, i honestly can't see Wesley and Davis getting  into double figures, goals wise. Combined.

Maybe the solution is to play them together.

Would rip up the Dean Smith blueprint of pretty much his whole managerial career. Guess 3-5-2 is feasible with the squad but didn't he rule that out in pre season at a fans forum?

If the blueprint is get it wide to the wingers to throw in crosses for the striker he may have to rip it up, at least short term. It's well documented Wesley's main weakness is his heading. Whatever the solution, he needs to find a way to score more goals.

Well it got us two goals in the play off final that way.

His default formation through his time at Walsall and Brentford was always one upfront with a fluid midfield behind him. Certainly McGinn looks good in this league already, could've scored today easily.

Don't see him going to two upfront anytime soon. If Kodj is available for Everton or Palace you could well see him come in out wide for El Ghazi. Won't offer as much protection to full back but would possibly give us more unpredictability in final third.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2019, 07:18:31 PM
I think both McGinn and Jack are struggling to pick up the pace and power of the prem and need to pick up on their performances.
Once they do though I think we will see a big improvement in the results.
Yes. From what I saw today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 17, 2019, 07:25:29 PM
It's two games in. Once the silly mistakes are rectified there will be an upturn. We have a squad with a fair degree of strength in depth now. Trust Smith to get it right
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2019, 07:27:00 PM
It's two games in. Once the silly mistakes are rectified there will be an upturn. We have a squad with a fair degree of strength in depth now. Trust Smith to get it right
I'm with Lee.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: charleeco7 on August 17, 2019, 07:29:37 PM
First ten mins we were poor then dominated. I canít think of many saves heaton had to make. Trez was excellent as was Douglas. Wesley needs someone to play a bit closure to him and thought jack was too deep at times. We will get there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 17, 2019, 07:30:21 PM
We put in a decent performance today and Bournemouth should have had a man sent off. By my reckoning he committed three yellow card offences and stayed on the pitch. It looks like sticking the ball in the net might prove to be our problem.

I see 'Super Scotty Hogan' scored for Stoke today.  ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: DB on August 17, 2019, 07:31:16 PM
It's two games in. Once the silly mistakes are rectified there will be an upturn. We have a squad with a fair degree of strength in depth now. Trust Smith to get it right
I'm with Lee.

Yo tambien.
A lot of new faces playing together, it will need a few matches to get it.working with his best 11.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Nev on August 17, 2019, 07:31:54 PM
It's shit getting beat but I didn't feel that we were out of our depth at any point. I agree with Dean regarding the ref but he should keep his countenance for now. We made some silly mistakes, cut them out and we should be ok but anyone who thought that this would be a cakewalk has had a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 17, 2019, 07:33:04 PM
The first 15 mins Heaton gave away a penalty and almost missed controlled another one gifting them a goal, i thought our goalkeeping curse was striking again, he redeemed himself somewhat thereafter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on August 17, 2019, 07:33:11 PM
By the way, does blatant time wasting and histrionics not get punished in this division?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2019, 07:36:09 PM
On Villa Park food offerings the boys enjoyed Guru Spice in the upper Witton End and despite looking hard I did not spot  any cobs on menu.  As for the other it was a lovely warm day😊
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 17, 2019, 07:38:41 PM
I thought we looked tired in the last 10 minutes or so, with the result that the all out offensive for the equaliser didnít quite materialise.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 17, 2019, 07:41:57 PM
By the way, does blatant time wasting and histrionics not get punished in this division?

I would say that if little old Bournemouth don't get punished for it then there is no chance any of the so called big guns will get punished for it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 17, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
On Villa Park food offerings the boys enjoyed Guru Spice in the upper Witton End and despite looking hard I did not spot  any cobs on menu.  As for the other it was a lovely warm day😊

I liked the new Pale Ale
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2019, 07:42:14 PM
I thought it was more that Bournemouth were really professional in how they ran the clock down, they did it pretty much perfectly. The bastards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on August 17, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
We put in a decent performance today and Bournemouth should have had a man sent off. By my reckoning he committed three yellow card offences and stayed on the pitch. It looks like sticking the ball in the net might prove to be our problem.

I see 'Super Scotty Hogan' scored for Stoke today.  ;)

Tommo on Soccer Saturday was saying the same thing about Billing
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
Not quite sure why our full backs are coming in for any criticism.
Of all of our longer serving players, both Elmo and Taylor have stepped up massively.
I go so far as to say that Elmo is also the best winger at the club and Iíd rather see him playing in the position occupied by either AEG or Trezeguet.

I think both McGinn and Jack are struggling to pick up the pace and power of the prem and need to pick up on their performances.
Once they do though I think we will see a big improvement in the results.

Iím glad we have for these two Ďfirstsí out of the way.

I

I rate Trezeguet. Heís strong on the ball and always wants to go forward. I like his confidence and think heíll adapt to this league quickly. Not really sure what you mean about McGinn.. I thought he mightíve been the best player out there today. At certain points I felt like he had the team on his back.

I think Trezeguet is so one sided that he is very predictable as a winger. His left foot is for standing on only. El Ghazi has been very poor first two games and I had high hopes for him. Our front three havent been much of a threat thus far and we dont have many alternatives either.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 17, 2019, 07:47:35 PM
That little thing McGinn does sticking his backside out to protect the ball wasn't working today did anyone notice, Bournemouth players were going to the side of him and nicking the ball, you think all Premier League clubs have cottoned on to it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 17, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
The likes of Preston were considerably shittier in their timewasting. I didn't see anything today to really moan about on that front. We needed to be better in possession towards the end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
Just home.  Very disappointing.  Our good players from last year generally played well enough to win the game.  Jack, John, Tyrone and Taylor.  All the newcomers seemed to be blown away for the first 15 minutes by the pace, the intensity and time wasting/cheating in the Premiership.  No such excuse for our goalkeeper but for a player of his age and experience he should not have been the quivering jelly he was for the first 15 minutes.  And Wesley looks like a poor man's Christian Benteke.  Long hard road ahead lads and lasses.  I think not getting a quality finisher in the window is going to come back and haunt us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2019, 07:58:41 PM
The poor crossing from our full backs is costing a lot of effort and no result

its part of the problem, but Wesley's movement isnt good enough either, in comparison to Tammy for example

we could do with either Grealish or McGinn getting into the box more often too
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: wince on August 17, 2019, 07:59:34 PM
Iím still having those beers that started with the poor brew joke and hoping we actually win or draw soon. If not then....well beer is the question and answer. Just think yourselves lucky you werenít subject to the radio wm  wankathon over blues being destroyed but there are positive shoots of recovery coupled with our implosion and how shit we are.  If you were there today it was better than the bbc local radio....
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2019, 08:00:56 PM
It's shit getting beat but I didn't feel that we were out of our depth at any point. I agree with Dean regarding the ref but he should keep his countenance for now. We made some silly mistakes, cut them out and we should be ok but anyone who thought that this would be a cakewalk has had a rude awakening.

Agree, Nev. If you look at the first half, we more than matched them. Second half we pretty much dominated but as you say, it's shit getting beat. I'm sulking like a right sulky bastard.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2019, 08:02:41 PM
Just home.  Very disappointing.  Our good players from last year generally played well enough to win the game.  Jack, John, Tyrone and Taylor.  All the newcomers seemed to be blown away for the first 15 minutes by the pace, the intensity and time wasting/cheating in the Premiership.  No such excuse for our goalkeeper but for a player of his age and experience he should not have been the quivering jelly he was for the first 15 minutes.  And Wesley looks like a poor man's Christian Benteke.  Long hard road ahead lads and lasses.  I think not getting a quality finisher in the window is going to come back and haunt us.

Did the spit and polish job at VP lift your spirits at all, Brian?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-bmouth/407992)

Ooh, didn't think Sky did these little mini-highlights clips for the Prem. They were the basis of most of my Villa footage last season in the Ch'ship.
Must affect MOTD ratings?

Anyway, what an absolute bar-cracking-top-corner peach from Luiz. Can't remember too many better than than at VP in recent years (McGinn, Gil(?)...).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2019, 08:08:54 PM
Not much Eamonn.  I think I am going mad.  All I noticed about VP was that the grass did not look as green as it usually does for the first game.  Perhaps they have cut it very short to assist our slick passing game. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2019, 08:09:03 PM
Just home.  Very disappointing.  Our good players from last year generally played well enough to win the game.  Jack, John, Tyrone and Taylor.  All the newcomers seemed to be blown away for the first 15 minutes by the pace, the intensity and time wasting/cheating in the Premiership.  No such excuse for our goalkeeper but for a player of his age and experience he should not have been the quivering jelly he was for the first 15 minutes.  And Wesley looks like a poor man's Christian Benteke.  Long hard road ahead lads and lasses.  I think not getting a quality finisher in the window is going to come back and haunt us.

Agreed on Heaton, that error was as bad as anything Nyland ever did in a Villa shirt, A few minutes into his home debut.

Benteke looked hopeless in first few Villa appearances too, but our front three look miles out of their depth thus far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 17, 2019, 08:11:49 PM
The only good thing is that after three years of Championship teams time wasting, feigning injury and other Tony Pulis favourites, we won't see any of that again.

Ahem.

Yep, Bournemouth smashed us with pacey, slick football in the first half, and then miraculously turned into QPR for the second.

Some of their tactics were absolutely pathetic. The lad who changed his shirt and had no number on the back was an absolute joke. Fitting he finished the game on his arse.

Pleased the majority of us stayed and applauded at the end. We didn't cave in, we gave it a go in the second half. Clearly there's loads to learn, but no panic needed today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 17, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
Missed Hourihaneís dead balls today. Free kicks, corners were pretty mediocre.

Itís a real dilemma for Dean. Luiz played well and is clearly a natural defensive midfield player but so many goals come from set pieces.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2019, 08:21:09 PM
it's too early ro tell definitively how any of these new players will turn out - but one thing our recruitment policy failed to address was experience, other than Heaton. One or two experienced outfield players would have given a better balance imo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 17, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
Yeah thats a great point re Hourihane actually. The corners were diabolical.

And that free kick on the edge of the box that El Ghazi skied was perfect for Hourihane.

But where could he play other than dropping Grealish/McGinn or Luiz which we wont.

Got Marvelous to be involved yet somehow too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 17, 2019, 08:33:18 PM
Yeah thats a great point re Hourihane actually. The corners were diabolical.

And that free kick on the edge of the box that El Ghazi skied was perfect for Hourihane.

But where could he play other than dropping Grealish/McGinn or Luiz which we wont.

Got Marvelous to be involved yet somehow too.

At the moment it feels like we got one too many in in midfield at the expense of a striker. I too would get Llorente if we could. Experienced and would chip in with goals.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 17, 2019, 08:39:24 PM
Yeah i must agree, the midfield and defense is more than strong enough to achieve this season.

Its up top there is a doubt overall, where its more about potential atm than actual quality.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 17, 2019, 08:48:42 PM
I donít think itís a striker issue. We have plenty of goals in us - but McGinn and Jack need to get further forward in support Wes and that means we need strong FB who support Luiz in midfield when attacks break down.

IMO we should switch to 3-5-2 against Everton

Heaton
Engle Mings Hause
Guilbert McGinn Luiz Grealish Targett
Wes Trez



Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 17, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
Thought that we looked pretty decent in defence and midfield but as I feared, inept up front

After his two mistakes for the goals Luiz looked very good but by then it was too late, they were far better than us off the ball when they had overloads

Much to learn.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 17, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
Just home - had to jump the train back north - didn't realise how many fans we have in the North West :)
Very disappointed today - all the plans out the window in the first 15 mins - I thought Heaton looked nervy and didn't look confident on crosses - likewise his kicking is poor.
Certainly Bournemouth looked  stronger and faster than us in the first 20 minutes -I thought Taylor was solid and Luiz improved after a sloppy first half - Wesley .........meh, but we shall see.
It's going to be a lot tougher than many of us imagined .....one thing we tend to forget is that we finished 5th in a poor Championship....Smith will have a massive job keeping us in this league.........accepting that the likes of Bournemouth are currently better than us is hard to swallow -  I think a fair few fans  thought that all we had to do was turn up today for the 3 points ....that was turned on its head in a few undisciplined moments ......Friday is going to be tough
I'd settle for 17 th now
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 17, 2019, 09:04:10 PM
I think our self inflicted problems are being exacerbated by some bad luck.   The second goal looked very unlucky with the big deflection then in off the post, the second this season to go in off Mings.  Then there was the double deflection where the ball landed right at Kane's feet for his first last week.  That said Cardiff had some bad luck with ref decisions and other things last season and look where they ended up.   
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 17, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
Just home - had to jump the train back north - didn't realise how many fans we have in the North West :)
Very disappointed today - all the plans out the window in the first 15 mins - I thought Heaton looked nervy and didn't look confident on crosses - likewise his kicking is poor.
Certainly Bournemouth looked  stronger and faster than us in the first 20 minutes -I thought Taylor was solid and Luiz improved after a sloppy first half - Wesley .........meh, but we shall see.
It's going to be a lot tougher than many of us imagined .....one thing we tend to forget is that we finished 5th in a poor Championship....Smith will have a massive job keeping us in this league.........accepting that the likes of Bournemouth are currently better than us is hard to swallow -  I think a fair few fans  thought that all we had to do was turn up today for the 3 points ....that was turned on its head in a few undisciplined moments ......Friday is going to be tough
I'd settle for 17 th now

Spot on (unfortunately)

There's a massive gulf between the 2 divisions and mistakes have cost us at least 2 points in 2 games.

I'd take 17th now but my heart still clings to the hope of higher.  It's early days and we aren't that far away.  One win, settle the nerves and it's a different ball game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Surely what is happening is what predictably was going to happen. And we were better today for most of the game. And we will get better. And Jack will be better. And Wes will score. And Trez and AEG. This lot are still figuring it all out. We have players to come in and challenge those who get dropped. Heaton wonít make those mistakes often. Thereís loads of evidence to back that up. Things will get better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 17, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
A very disappointing result, especially as I'm sure most of us had a home fixture against the team who finished 14th last year as a "should win".  But I'm optimistic given the performance.  We gifted them two goals from silly mistakes (it looked to me like Luiz had a call to leave the ball for the second, seemed a very strange 'leave' otherwise?), and it was always going to be hard from then on.

That said, having seen the way we played for the last 75 minutes, I'd back us to beat them then more often than not.  Yes, they've got some quality, but if we hadn't given them the start they had, would they have scored otherwise?

Clearly we need to be more clinical upfront, but I'd be far more worried if we weren't creating anything.  I've certainly seen us play much worse and win.

To those saying Bournemouth took their foot off the gas when they went ahead and that's why we had so much possession and so many shots - did you think that was the reason Tottenham had so much possession last week? That we'd taken our foot off the gas?  Maybe it was the same reason, and the team with the most possession was simply better for large parts of the game?

Still, you can't get away from it being a pretty crap result - but I'm far from despondent, knowing on another day we're more than capable of beating that side.  Something I certainly didn't feel last week.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 17, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
Missed Hourihaneís dead balls today. Free kicks, corners were pretty mediocre.

Itís a real dilemma for Dean. Luiz played well and is clearly a natural defensive midfield player but so many goals come from set pieces.



I actually said to a mate before the game, we'd miss Hourihane's goal threat, given Luiz has never scored a league goal. Shows what I know.  But clearly Conor offers more to the team than the odd screamer...
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on August 17, 2019, 09:17:22 PM
I think our self inflicted problems are being exacerbated by some bad luck.   The second goal looked very unlucky with the big deflection then in off the post, the second this season to go in off Mings.  Then there was the double deflection where the ball landed right at Kane's feet for his first last week.  That said Cardiff had some bad luck with ref decisions and other things last season and look where they ended up.

you can say that again ! the championship is a much more competitive league anyway .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2019, 09:18:55 PM
I'm really concerned by the front three. All of them look powderpuff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2019, 09:31:17 PM
I am off to bed now.  I will leave you with the opinion of a disappointed, tired old Villa fan.  If we had had Jed Steer in goal today we would not have lost that game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2019, 09:41:43 PM
I thought it was more that Bournemouth were really professional in how they ran the clock down, they did it pretty much perfectly. The bastards.
Yes I said this to my ST neighbours at the time. I think they played out lat 10 mins (5+5) perfectly. Something we failed to do at Spurs last week.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
I think we will struggle to score goals.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 17, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
Nothing has changed in 3 years in the prem league...shit refs and diva players. It always seems we have an honest bunch of players compared to the w-nkers we play. Luiz started naively, but improved and scored a cracker. We missed Conor today. Jack, John and Anwar all tried but were poor from deadball situations. I thought Wesley did ok, but maybe he's the type of striker who prefers someone playing close to him. Some have commented that our full backs failed to get crosses in. How about our wingers getting crosses in? Anwar was ineffective and although I like Trez I'm not sure he's a winger. He failed to beat the full backs on either side with speed. I think he could be more effective in the middle, floating and playing off Wes. Elmo got caught flat footed for the penalty situation, Besides that he did ok as did Taylor. On Friday though I'd go 4-1-3-2 and I'd like to see Fred and Targett start alongside Engels and Tyronne, to see what they can do. Then I'd like to see Luiz behind John, Jack and Conor. Wes and Trez up front. This won't happen of course but it may get the best out of our front players whereas on the evidence of today our front 3 were strangers to each other. VTID UTV!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Si on August 17, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
My concern today, throughout the match villa seemed to give up the midfield. Luiz in front of the back four. Then  twenty yards of space  with a flat attacking front five all stood there waiting for the ball. No movement  to create space or bring defenders out. None offering the short pass. Luiz's  only pass was to the full backs , who then eventually put in an aimless cross.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 17, 2019, 10:00:47 PM
Good night Brian ....it will all look much brighter in the morning :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: David_Nab on August 17, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
Some of the reason for improvement in the 2nd half was Billing who was physically  dominating us in CM ( alot of it illegally and he should of been red carded )

Like Spurs we come across as very lightweight in the MF area , McGinns signature move of rolling players is less effective as they are just much better athletes than in the Championship.Goals look an issue as the front 3 don't look like they have enough goals in them which is why I think the 4-3-3 will need to be changed to a 4-2-3-1 ..you give Luiz someone alongside him so Jack and McGinn can play higher up the pitch.

Full backs today in terms of defending and keeping the ball were solid , but at this level you need more going forward from them.Taylor will never be the type to whip in a decent cross ,Elmo is slightly better but generally at hitting balls in from deep rather than getting close to the byline.

It will take time there is little experience at this level in the squad and in general its a young squad ( likely another reason the older heads in Elmo and Taylor have been retained for now )
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 17, 2019, 10:13:21 PM
I would like to see Conor and Guilbert play against Everton, possibly in a 4-2-3-1

                    Heaton
Guilbert   Engels   Mings   Taylor
               Luiz      Conor
   Trez            SJM       Jack
                     Wes
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 17, 2019, 10:18:06 PM
It will take time for this team to Gel I thought Luiz after one bad error played very well, Jack holds on to the ball far too long for this division and El Ghazi was poor. There is not enough forward line  pressure, Wesley may come good but it was a big gamble by Smith not to get a better option than Kodja or Davis. Not devastated but worry about where the goals are coming from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on August 17, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
I'm a proper miserable old Brummy and after fifteen minutes, I thought we had no hope of staying up BUT
1. Engels is solid, so is Tyrone, that's a good defensive partnership.
2. We're effectively playing our second choice full backs and they did OK for a lot of the game. Deans is slowly integrating new players into the old team and we will find which full backs work for us
3. Luiz has been in the UK and at Villa Park for a few weeks. He made a couple of shocking mistakes, but overall the bloke is absolutely top quality. He will be amazing as the season progresses.
4. Wesley grew as the game went on. I think he will be a powerful hold up player once he is used to England, the PL and Aston Villa.
5. John McGinn and Jack Grealish had it too easy in the Championship and are still getting used to players that are of the same quality as themselves. They will learn, in fact John is already learning pretty quickly. Jack needs to (and will) have a word with himself and get a grip.
6. Today was a bit freakish with a goal after a minute and a howler followed by a deflection plus a truly shocking refereeing performance (and I never normally blame the ref).
7. Most of our team are getting used to one or more of PL and England. They will settle and no one was shit today. Well, El Ghazi was pretty poor.
8. The one area we were poor was wing play. Again, we have options and Dean will sort it out.

I think we will have a few more worrying games ahead but we will grow and finish strongly, possibly with a new striker in January. I'm not worried about confidence if we lose a few more matches while things gel. The likes of Jack, John, Mings, Engels, Luiz, Wesley don't strike me as powder puff and nor does Dean Smith (or O'Kelly or Terry.) Think Burnley last year.

Today was truly shit, but we will be OK.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 17, 2019, 10:26:49 PM
An awful start with two colossal cocktails ups for the goals. But they were merely the low points of other errors, such as Elmo flat footed for the ball leading to the penalty, Jackís awful set pieces, inability to get close to support Wesley, Luiz seeming to be always on the point of having the ball nicked from him.....

We need to man up quickly - defensive errors, losing possession in midfield and being muscled out, failing to get enough crosses into the box - and realise that the premier league is less forgiving.

On the plus side, Wesley was better than last week, Luiz improved as the game went on and moved further forward, defensively Taylor was solid, and there were signs of good attacking play. And the fans stuck with the team, which was important. We need to grab something from Everton but at the moment I canít see where the goals are coming from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 10:37:47 PM
Some very brief highlights but we had serious chances to score and didnít before Douglas did. And their second goal had so much luck about it along with the mistake.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1162831467514400769?s=12
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2019, 11:19:39 PM
Some positives but quite a few really worrying things from today.
On the positive side Engels looks the business, and Luiz started to look like the player city wanted to keep.
However, I will very surprised if El Ghazi makes it in this league, he looks totally out of his depth. Grealish also needs a kick up the arse.
We look incredibly light up front, truth be told. I did like bits of what i saw from Wesley, but he'll need time to get to grips with it, and i don't think we can afford that.
Also, considering how the wingers are playing we absolutely cannot continue with taylor at left back. It might be harsh as he's not done much wrong, but he offers nothing going forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2019, 11:32:56 PM
We are bereft of goals and attacking threat. In this league you need a solid central defence and a goal scorer. We have the former but not the latter. The summer spending is starting to resemble buying a Rolls Royce and forgetting the tyres.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2019, 11:38:10 PM
I love how our ambition after three years break out of 27 in this league has disappeared.  This is Fcukin Bournemouth at home.  The worst away travellers from last season.  I heard some other stat about them not winning their opening away game or something like that since 1997.  We have to win these games itís that simple. 

I dont understand;

Signing Targett for £17m including add ons and not playing him.
Signing Guilbert playing him the entire pre season and not even including him in the 18 for the first two games.
Not buying an experienced proven premier league forward.
Throwing Jed Steer out with the bath water.

Since when did we actually have to be pleased with being plucky against Bournemouth who incidentally had a lot of first team player out injured today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 17, 2019, 11:43:27 PM
The game plan went out of the window after 50 secs and that 2nd goal was really unlucky. Iím not panicking yet as weíve played well in both games imo and deserved a point. Just not got the rub of the green.

Wes is too isolated and we need more bodies in the box to support him. Those floating balls in from out wide wonít work either, any centre forward would struggle with that service. We need to wise up quickly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 17, 2019, 11:45:03 PM
Heaton dropped a bolllock but I don't have any concerns about him; he made a terrific save in the second half to deny them a third.  What does worry me is that we created umpteen chances and put only one of them away, and that one was a screamer.  I still wonder where the goals are going to come from.  Our first choice striker doesn't inspire confidence and I'm not sure how many goals from midfield we can count on.  AEG has been way off the required standard. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2019, 11:52:34 PM
Jed was a decent shot stopper.  Thereís no difference.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 17, 2019, 11:55:18 PM
I think Heaton will inspire confidence in the back 4 and organise them better. Iíve heard heís a shouter weíre Jed is a bit quiet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2019, 11:58:50 PM
Jed played a fundamental part getting us into the PL yet is fcuked out at the first opportunity.  Yet Elmo, Taylor, Elghazi the latter of whom has performed awfully so far are shoe ins.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 18, 2019, 12:15:17 AM
Iím not sure AEG will play against Everton, also think the full backs have done what theyíve been asked to do.

Iíve no problem with Heaton playing over Jed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2019, 12:23:36 AM
Always amazes me with MOTD they have 5-6 minutes of highlights yet miss out obvious shots and chances. For example the grealish curler at Holte End that just went wide wasn't included yet it made the Sky 3 minutes highlights. Also no focus at all on Billing fouls.

Was also surprised something they did show wasn't seemingly checked on VAR as really Bournemouth should've had a penalty, Trez kicked their player in the box.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2019, 01:06:32 AM
The referee was a fucking disgrace today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2019, 01:13:32 AM
Its looking like we may be a winger and a striker short as we suspected. El Ghazi was very poor today and Wesley looks like he will take a while to settle in.

Luiz wa impressive after the poor error and Mcginn was exceptional.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2019, 01:17:24 AM
El Ghazi has been poor for both games now, but it's the much more impressive Trezeguet who gets subbed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2019, 01:43:58 AM
El Ghazi has been poor for both games now, but it's the much more impressive Trezeguet who gets subbed.

El Ghazi was the first player subbed today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 18, 2019, 03:11:01 AM
Horrendous start, which would be hard for any team to overturn. 

We showed some resilience, team spirit and flashes of good football.

There was always going to be a problem with DS's method of playing it out from the back until the players got up to PL sharpness. I agree with a number of posters who have said we need 2 DCM's a the moment, one of whom can deliver a crunching tackle when required.
Early days, jury out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2019, 06:53:05 AM
Among the many depressing things that game highlighted, one of the ugliest is the way "game management" has spread unchecked into the game.  The way the Bournemouth players kept blatantly breaking up the flow of the game by feigning injury once they knew they had a weak referee was shameful.  But of course there is no shame in cheating in the game any longer.  It will never happen but any player who rolls around as though he has a multiple fracture one minute then magically is sprinting the length of the pitch the next should get a retrospective card for being a cheating twat- sorry, simulation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: russon on August 18, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
Those floating balls in from out wide wonít work either, any centre forward would struggle with that service.
Do we still refer to those as Ďa Westwoodí?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 18, 2019, 08:20:15 AM
Among the many depressing things that game highlighted, one of the ugliest is the way "game management" has spread unchecked into the game.  The way the Bournemouth players kept blatantly breaking up the flow of the game by feigning injury once they knew they had a weak referee was shameful.  But of course there is no shame in cheating in the game any longer.  It will never happen but any player who rolls around as though he has a multiple fracture one minute then magically is sprinting the length of the pitch the next should get a retrospective card for being a cheating twat- sorry, simulation.

It will lead me to a heart attack, I swear. It just boils my blood, the lad who had no number on spent most of the second half on the floor, rolling around prentending to be hurt. Wilson up front, slightest touch and he was down.

The worst part was, an experienced ref fell for all of it.

Bournemouth are just the PL equivalent of QPR.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2019, 08:24:46 AM
I came away from the game yesterday much less negative than many seem to be around here.
Yes, we screwed our own gameplan with two soft goals.
Yes, AEG is really not very good at the moment.
Yes, Grealish looked poor for most of the game.
Yes, Bournemouth have learned how to manage games.
Yes, the ref was strangely lenient throughout.

However:
- Heaton is a fine keeper: he will not be the reason we lose many points this season
- Luiz looks very classy: he will need to pick up the pace and intensity of this league, and then he'll be fine
- McGinn will become more and more influential in this league
- we have a fine set of CB's.

The issues we need to resolve quickly are:
In both games so far, it was clear that refs are allowing more robust challenges, and we are lightweight.

We will get better, and we will stay up if we rectify some obvious issues quickly
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Bren'd on August 18, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
A good point Brian. We made it 7 mins extra time should have been added for all the stoppages. As soon as we showed a bit of momentum down one of their players went. It happened too often.

I thought we put in a decent performance overall. Giving them the 2 goal start was the killer. Heaton never has and never will in future make such an error as he did for the pen. I canít say any of our lot had poor games. Jack probably had his least effective game for some time and should have buried that header chance. Wes, whoís coming in for some criticism on here I thought had a decent game. Douglas was MoM, weíll only have him for 1 season on that showing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 18, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Among the many depressing things that game highlighted, one of the ugliest is the way "game management" has spread unchecked into the game.  The way the Bournemouth players kept blatantly breaking up the flow of the game by feigning injury once they knew they had a weak referee was shameful.  But of course there is no shame in cheating in the game any longer.  It will never happen but any player who rolls around as though he has a multiple fracture one minute then magically is sprinting the length of the pitch the next should get a retrospective card for being a cheating twat- sorry, simulation.
I agree.  Two of ours did exactly that against Spurs and it's not good to see.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 18, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
We have to change to a 4-2-3-1 and sit Luiz and Hourihane in front of the back four. We're not good enough to only play one sitting midfielder, only Man City and Liverpool can get away it.

El Ghazi looks well off the pace and standard and needs dropping.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 18, 2019, 09:24:34 AM
Negatives

Heaton Mistake
Luiz Mistake
Martin Atkinsonís refereeing
AEGs performance
Taylor offensively

Positives

Luiz - love this guy absolute quality
Mingles
McGinn - drove and drove
Shots and Chances in General

Whilst itís not great to lose the first two Iíve seen enough to think weíll be ok.



Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Hampshire Villa on August 18, 2019, 09:30:04 AM
more positives than negatives, Lady luck against us with that massive deflection, poor ref, Bournemouth should have only had 10 on the pitch.Give Wesley a little more time, remember Benteke looked like a cart horse when he first came into the team. I'm sure Wesley will come good. Dougie Lewis outstanding goal, more to come from him, Mings and Engels didn't do much wrong. We'll get there. My fear is when we have to play Man City and Liverpool, but those top 6 games don't count, we need points from those around us, that's why yesterday was disappointing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2019, 09:43:04 AM
Scores on the doors

Heaton 4 - sorry, however good he might be, making such a horrendous cock up 30 seconds in effectively cost us the game.
Taylor 6 - defensively sound again, but nothing going forward.
Mings 7 - solid as ever and the defence didn't look troubled apart from the two goals which came from keeper and midfielder errors
Engels 7 - as Mings really, solid and good distribution
Elmo 6 - didn't do a whole lot wrong
McGinn 7 - lots of surging runs and had some good attempts on goal
Grealish 6 - didn't really seem at the races and doesn't look happy in his own play at the moment.
Luiz 8 - concentrating on the positives, comfortable on the ball, great goal and pivots himself out of trouble brilliantly.  Needs to cut out the errors.
El Ghazi 5 - another poor game.  Doesn't look to have the ability to trouble Premier League defences
Wesley 6 - the difficult settling in period continues
Trezeguet 7 - the best of the attacking options for the second week running.

Subs:
Jota 5 - lack of pace is going to limit his effectiveness if he plays out wide I reckon
Davis 5 - no real time to make any sort of impact, but didn't do much when coming on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 18, 2019, 09:46:35 AM
Negatives

Heaton Mistake
Luiz Mistake
Martin Atkinsonís refereeing
AEGs performance
Taylor offensively

Positives

Luiz - love this guy absolute quality
Mingles
McGinn - drove and drove
Shots and Chances in General

Whilst itís not great to lose the first two Iíve seen enough to think weíll be ok.
Mingles, love it!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on August 18, 2019, 09:46:39 AM
Didnít see the game as Iím on me hols abroad but from what my lads have told me there is still plenty to be positive as the above posts sum up well. By the way, AV82EC ďMinglesĒ - Love it. I now have a two for the price of 1 bromance !
I donít usually question Smithís decisions but I am puzzled by the full back decisions - not sure why both new signings havenít been picked given that they featured heavily pre-season as others have said. Worrying if they are slow to / unable to pick up what is required. Particularly strange in Guilbertís case as he played really well in pre-season, I thought.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on August 18, 2019, 09:59:37 AM
Where is Marvelous?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
In that first 15-20 minute spell, you could tell who was the established Premier League team. They looked quicker, sharper but as the game went on we got into it. I think we'll be ok but it's going to take us a few games to find our feet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 18, 2019, 10:09:48 AM
How quiet were the away fans yesterday? Barely a peep other than the cheering for their goals. Only time I heard them sing was at the final whistle or on the train platform at New St.
Strange day yesterday, mixed bag performance. Defensively i think we will be ok but i fear for us scoring goals as only one who looked consistently dangerous was Mcginn. Ref was shocking , and as people said,  Bournemouth players were made of glass.
Away from the match itself I couldn't get in the club shop as the queue was out the door and well into the car park. The queues at Witton Station afterwards was horrific and my train out of New St was cancelled, I eventually got home at half ten. The joys of following the Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Hampshire Villa on August 18, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on August 18, 2019, 10:20:20 AM
How the hell is a penalty against our keeper and not theirs for the foul on Wesley.  In their case Wilson could never have got the ball but for Wes the ball was still in play
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2019, 10:23:33 AM
How the hell is a penalty against our keeper and not theirs for the foul on Wesley.  In their case Wilson could never have got the ball but for Wes the ball was still in play

Correct. Both were similar: the strker beats the keeper to the ball, which then runs away from both; but on one the late keeper touch is penalised, with the other not.
Bizarre.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2019, 10:28:11 AM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow
Yeah just watched it. The little twonk really does seem to have a dislike for us. Fuck knows why.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard on August 18, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
Based on yesterday I'd like Dean to try a 4 1 3 2 or 4 2 3 1 as I think the wingers are too wide at present and Houriihane needs to play as his set pieces are way better than anyone else's.

This would also get support closer to Wes.

However to be really effective the system needs better attacking full backs. Both were solid again yesterday but Taylor in particular adds nothing going forward and even had 2 half chances which were poor efforts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 18, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
How quiet were the away fans yesterday?

At one point they were singing "barmy army". Hadn't heard that in years.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 18, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow
Yeah just watched it. The little twonk really does seem to have a dislike for us. Fuck knows why.

I've always thought he comes across as a joyless dour arsehole who hates everything and everyone, probably life, and definitely himself.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
Those early mistakes were sickening.

We're in desperate need of a striker, why not get one in without a club and take the chance? Wesley won't get many goals seems very stroppy too
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2019, 12:02:38 PM
I've always thought he comes across as a joyless dour arsehole who hates everything and everyone, probably life, and definitely himself.
OK enough about his qualities now how about his bad side?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 18, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
Those early mistakes were sickening.

We're in desperate need of a striker, why not get one in without a club and take the chance? Wesley won't get many goals seems very stroppy too

That was one thing I noticed during the second half. Something didn't go his way and he flapped his arms around and then stood still. He then flapped again.

We haven't got time for that nonsense. Other than that, I thought he did pretty well. Just want him to crack some shots at goal now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
I fear you will be waiting a long time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 18, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
The crowd was 40996?  I expected way more.  Did there seem to be many empty seats or is it because Bormuff only have 12 fans?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
There was only about 200 empty seats in away end, good following for a club that size. Few empty seats dotted about in home areas also the block in lower north next to away end is now segregation
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 18, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
The crowd was 40996?  I expected way more.  Did there seem to be many empty seats or is it because Bormuff only have 12 fans?
Away end didn't look capacity from the few youtube vids I've seen and I imagine a couple of season ticket holders are away on family hols and stuff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 18, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow
Yeah just watched it. The little twonk really does seem to have a dislike for us. Fuck knows why.

It's alright. MOTD is on its last legs so we won't have to put up with shite like that much longer.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
There was only about 200 empty seats in away end, good following for a club that size. Few empty seats dotted about in home areas also the block in lower north next to away end is now segregation

Ah that still unused then. Would guess at around 500 seats in that area.

Seems our capacity has gone down to about 41.8k now so lost a thousand seats from 5 years ago somewhere. Don't think we've had 42k attendance since maybe Man. United game in August 2015.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 18, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
Unused season tickets, with people away on holiday, are still counted on the attendance aren't they?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: FrankyH on August 18, 2019, 12:52:32 PM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow

Odious little gimp. I am sure he won't be a on when we click , play well and get a comprehensive win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2019, 12:54:48 PM
Another thing I have noticed is that we seem to have gone back to meekly accepting poor refereeing. We need Mingís to do a bit of a Terry and slide up to the ref and have a word.
Thier midfield got away with murder yesterday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
Just watched MOTD - Danny Murphy really hates us doesn't he.
Strange editing showed nothing of the yellow card and several potential second yellow

Odious little gimp. I am sure he won't be a on when we click , play well and get a comprehensive win.

No, because heíll have died of old age by then. Badoom-tish!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 18, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
Decent review of a Bournemouth fans first visit to Villa Park. ( I cut out the match write up )

"After an underwhelming opening day draw to Sheffield United posed more questions than answers, Bournemouth travelled to Villa with some trepidation, especially given last season's wretched away form.

This was my first visit to Villa Park and after a couple of beers in the away fans' marquee at the Whitton Arms, we headed in to soak up the atmosphere in the sunshine. First impressions were excellent; a proper football stadium with steep stands, fans close to the pitch and impressive atmosphere. As we built towards kick off, the noise from the home fans was deafening, unlike anything I've heard in the Premier League before and far better than atmosphere I've witnessed at Wembley, Anfield or any of the other big stadiums. Obviously, this was partly due to the fans' high spirits at their Premier League return, but as the banner in the Holt End says, they'll definitely be a 12th man for Villa this season.

Verdict - An excellent away win in an intimidating place to visit. A game I think we would have lost last season. We looked far more comfortable in a 442 and with the changes in personnel. Neither Mepham or Rico are quite ready for the rigours of this kind of game.

We really needed a strong start today and we got it. The defence were immense but something still isn't clicking up front. Hopefully Brooks can be the missing piece of the jigsaw when he's back. Better substitutions from Eddie today though, proactive instead of too late.

Villa looked threatening and I think they'll stay up, McGinn in particular was a livewire throughout. I hope they do survive, as I'd love to return to Villa Park, a proper football stadium! Fans on the way out all seemed very reasonable, honest and fair - don't believe everything you see on a forum!"
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on August 18, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Another thing I have noticed is that we seem to have gone back to meekly accepting poor refereeing. We need Mingís to do a bit of a Terry and slide up to the ref and have a word.
Thier midfield got away with murder yesterday.

A lot of the fans have too. Every time I mentioned the poor refereeing or the blatant time wasting / cheating, people look at you like you've dropped out of the sky.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
Another thing I have noticed is that we seem to have gone back to meekly accepting poor refereeing. We need Mingís to do a bit of a Terry and slide up to the ref and have a word.
Thier midfield got away with murder yesterday.

A lot of the fans have too. Every time I mentioned the poor refereeing or the blatant time wasting / cheating, people look at you like you've dropped out of the sky.

Around us everyone was up in arms at that.

Mind you, that's the middle Trinity for you #thuglife #gangstas4eva #flasks #blankets
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2019, 02:52:36 PM
Another thing I have noticed is that we seem to have gone back to meekly accepting poor refereeing. We need Mingís to do a bit of a Terry and slide up to the ref and have a word.
Thier midfield got away with murder yesterday.

A lot of the fans have too. Every time I mentioned the poor refereeing or the blatant time wasting / cheating, people look at you like you've dropped out of the sky.

Around us everyone was up in arms at that.

Mind you, that's the middle Trinity for you #thuglife #gangstas4eva #flasks #blankets
No feet stamping? Tsk
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 18, 2019, 02:56:23 PM


VERY disappointing result, but the performance showed some positives.

Increasingly frustrated with Anwar though, looks really lightweight this season. Definitely bench him next week.

Not sure this formation that Smith favours is going to cut it this season, but i don't know what the answer is.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2019, 03:25:49 PM
Sheff Utd getting more points on the board by the looks of it.

Trust it be us that has the worst start to life in the premiership.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2019, 03:37:39 PM


VERY disappointing result, but the performance showed some positives.

Increasingly frustrated with Anwar though, looks really lightweight this season. Definitely bench him next week.

Not sure this formation that Smith favours is going to cut it this season, but i don't know what the answer is.

We were very predictable in our wide play yesterday. I think a bit of a tactical realignment is in order to a 4231 set up, with the two new full backs brought in. Smith decision to exclude both of them is inexplicable. With two holding midfielders it will give our full backs a bit more licence to get forward. Given Wes struggles thus far we need to get Hourihane back into the team, either next to Luiz or further up the pitch.

------------------Heaton
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
-------------Luiz, Marvelous
------McGinn, Grealish, Hourihane
---------------------Wes

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2019, 03:57:58 PM
Feel we're a bit naive at the moment.

The selection of Elmo and Taylor for one. We are wasting territory and good positions with the absence of quality delivery or quality attacking play from the full backs.

Naive in our defending. Part of that is perhaps coming to terms with the league, but Heaton and his error doesn't feature in that excuse, but Douglas and his did.

I feel Trezuguet looks capable, El Ghazi is out of form and Wesley is too deep. There needs to be better organisation uo front with our movement and the lines we pick. Adding overlapping full backs who can deliver a ball or take an opponent out with a run in advanced of the wide men would benefit us.

I thought it might take a bit of time to come to terms with the league. Our mistakes are certainly punished, whereas we let Bournemouth off a few times yesterday.

We need to be more capable up front. I'd take a point against Everton.

There's concerns, but when is there not? But there's also cause for optimism.

We need to wise up quickly, pick our best players and cut out the foolish errors.

A bit of composure from Heaton and Douglas at two crucial moments and we win the game.

Bournemouth are a very cynical side. They take a lot of time out of the game throwing themselves to the ground and rolling about. Billings should have been sent off too. Second half we forced them into giving up possession cheaply and created enough opportunities to have got a point.

Everton will be a stiffer test and we'll only get something out then we have to stop gifting opposition. It's a gift starting Taylor and Elmo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2019, 03:58:43 PM
Sheff Utd getting more points on the board by the looks of it.

Trust it be us that has the worst start to life in the premiership.

Christ almighty, it's two games!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 04:02:05 PM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on August 18, 2019, 04:02:37 PM
Unused season tickets, with people away on holiday, are still counted on the attendance aren't they?


Yep.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2019, 04:08:53 PM
It does make me laugh people complaining about our full backs, especially not overlapping. Bournemouth were always going to be a serious threat with their two speedy wingers. Their first job was to defend and both did their job extremely well. The whole defence is the one thing that seems to have gelled and looks solid.

That said, I was surprised Guilbert didn't start yesterday. Bournemouth at home would have been a far more comfortable baptism than Everton. Add to that, Elmo has had little time off over the summer and at some point that will catch up with him.

As for the ref yesterday, he completely lost his bottle and Billings should have gone for the tackle on Jack. I watched part of the Man City - Spurs game and Sterling was booked for a challenge far softer than any of Billings. I hope that's the last time we see Atkinson ref a Villa game this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 18, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
Disappointing result. Those two early goals were unforgivable errors. As the first half progressed we settled and started to play better but I thought we were very slow going forward, giving Bournemouth the opportunity to get behind the ball and defend. We need to break faster, we did last week against Spurs a few times, resulting in a goal. Referee was shocking. Second half we played better and pressured them, but weren't clinical enough. Full backs were defensively ok but poor going forward, so I would replace both for the Everton match, as we need our FBs joining the attack. Wesley probably needs patience and support to get the best out of him. "Mingles" look a very good pairing. SJM is playing well and will improve with more matches. Jack needs to be quicker and release the ball sooner. Douglas Luis after a shaky start looks the "dogs" and will probably be our player of the season. We go again, UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2019, 04:16:56 PM
5 goals in two games doesn't scream solid to me.

You have to win games and Elmo and Taylor in particular are very poor going forwards in this league.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
I miss the Championship Ads who was casually predicting 10 straight wins every few months, don't like this new negative one at all (wink).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
Part of defending is being able to be a threat when attacking and take pressure of the back four and keeper. But that also involves the full backs in our system to push on and right now ours are not doing that. Elmo and Taylor are at best solid Championship level players. We need to get Guilbert and Targett in vs Everton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2019, 04:48:21 PM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...

Ah, we still doing that nonsense? Wasn't it West Brom in the play off game where every single corner we took was a short one and the crowd were groaning by the sixth one as they obviously weren't leading to any chances.

More odd when you think Mings would've been desperate to score yesterday and he's scored a few for us already.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
And Engels is a giant, too.

Get it in the mixer!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 18, 2019, 05:21:26 PM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...
Whatever method we use to float the ball into the box one thing is for sure it's not Jack and John having a go at doing that who will provide the answers. We need more guile and better technique at  deliveries then these two provide.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on August 18, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
Part of defending is being able to be a threat when attacking and take pressure of the back four and keeper. But that also involves the full backs in our system to push on and right now ours are not doing that. Elmo and Taylor are at best solid Championship level players. We need to get Guilbert and Targett in vs Everton.
Taylor got in the penalty box twice 2nd half I would say that is pushing on!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2019, 09:22:30 PM
Part of defending is being able to be a threat when attacking and take pressure of the back four and keeper. But that also involves the full backs in our system to push on and right now ours are not doing that. Elmo and Taylor are at best solid Championship level players. We need to get Guilbert and Targett in vs Everton.
Taylor got in the penalty box twice 2nd half I would say that is pushing on!

and looked completely lost both times. Elmo got a few crosses in as well, but most of them were to a defence that was facing away from goal and were from 30 yards out so pretty hard for us to win and get a header on target from.

If both fullbacks were overlapping and getting crosses in flat across the 6 yard box with defenders facing their own goal we'd look much better. This same problem has been clear at the club for years. We seem to think that it's wingers who should be putting in those crosses but that's far less common across almost all levels of football because of the way the game has changed in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
Brilliant last paragraph paul.  Crosses shovelled in from thirty yards half way from the half way line will be gobbled up by defenders all day long.  Crossers have to hit the by line then whack the ball back hard to onrushing attackers wrongfooting defenders facing their own goal
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Newby on August 18, 2019, 10:20:43 PM
Full backs are the unmarked players.  We have to make the most of them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 18, 2019, 11:25:43 PM
On crossing Elmo made the 3rd most crosses this whole weekend in all the matches and after Grealish the player creating most of the chances for Villa was Elmo.
The quality of the chances created was the issue. In fact I felt one of the best crosses all match was the final moments with Mings whipping it in for Engles. Elmo seemed to merely insist on floating them in without so much pace.

Grealish actually created chances on average every 15 minutes.(6 chances) Assisted the goal yet first half I didn't see him perform to a great level and was only ok.
Concerning I  noticed in the last 15 and especially last 10 or so minutes he was really tiring and fatigued in getting up and down the pitch.

Aside from the errors made , the other issue was the finishing.
The two main chances:
Grealish , Trezeguet were major misses which were expected as goals at this level were not taken .
Grealish shouldered one,  missing the ball with his head and Trezeguet, just before half time , had a shot blocked from close range.
McGinn who had 6 shots ,  a shot on average every 15 minutes ,was looking most likely to score but never had any major chance. His half volley effort was a good controlled effort(though off his shin) and he had a couple of other stunning efforts but not major chances.

In the second half having most of the play and attacking Grealish put one wide of the post when he did a driving run, and Trezeguet had a super shot on target after a great turn on Ake.
They along with Grealish began to look likely to score .

So it took a screamer for our one and only goal and step forward Douglas Luiz with a beauty . A controlled shot and in general, after the first 15 minutes , a lovely performance in his full debut.

On observation Wesley and El Ghazi were failing in contributing to a major goal threat.
Notable mention to Neil Taylor who twice was in the penalty area fluffing the chances -had it fallen to the attackers then perhaps that would have been 2 goals? Would like to see more alertness in the box by these 2.

Wesley and El Ghazi had a couple of efforts each. Wesley was impressive in strongly holding off Bournemouth defender and getting a shot in but I find him very raw ,  a disproportionate legged version  of Diego Costa
In time hopefully something can be shown with effective  physicality though I dubious to think he can reach the striking ability of Diego Costa . I like to think Wesley will make an impact but still concerning on his goal threat.
Encouragingly Wesley has had 2 headers in 2 games both on target however in Bournemouth match that cross by Elmo was very unlikely to generate any power to get in the net.
McGinn had a header also and the cross needed to be far more penetrating and closer into the six yard box not edging -penalty- area looped crosses .

Finally Grealish had 4 penalty area touches to McGinn 2 and in this respect was different to last week's match were McGinn was getting more touches in the box .
Trez continues to look like a goal threat and attacking and I would seriously consider switching him to the left and bringing in Jota.
Along with this bring in Guilbert for Elmo .
Something that could be consider to fit in midfielders like Hourihane and Marvelous (Douglas as the holding ) is to have inverted wingers and have Grealish wide left forward and Jota wide right.
And striking wise Trezeguet could even be a potential option up front . He has shown in his 2 matches he's an attacking threat and has goal scoring ability.

In all there was a lot of positives and , like the spurs match,  especially McGinn , Engels and Mings were consistently playing at decent levels.
The positives that were different to the spurs match is that far more attacking intent was shown and Grealish was higher up the pitch in general. Trezeguet looked a threat and Wesley despite initially being awful by giving ball away and not holding showed more glimpses of ability. He also got enraged by Billing and by the way how Atkinson didn't warn him and caution him again was outrageous.

The next match will be very competitive and I feel Villa were very unlucky not to get at least a point  v Bournemouth as were far the better team.



 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard on August 18, 2019, 11:32:55 PM
Is Vill I An Footy Skillz that's what I want to know !?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Villan For Life on August 18, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Is Vill I An Footy Skillz that's what I want to know !?

I think you called that right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 18, 2019, 11:41:44 PM
Elmo may have delivered the most crosses. He didn't create much opportunity.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 18, 2019, 11:58:56 PM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...

Ah, we still doing that nonsense? Wasn't it West Brom in the play off game where every single corner we took was a short one and the crowd were groaning by the sixth one as they obviously weren't leading to any chances.

More odd when you think Mings would've been desperate to score yesterday and he's scored a few for us already.

Short corner routines give Grealish ability to create angles and allows some real quick interplay . Actually get good chance if we can befuddle the defence , move players around and when we use it well allow for goal scoring chances . In general statistically they  provide better chances for goals than corners down to players poor delivery . With short corners bit only does it drag defending players out of position the pass for possession and becoming an open play situation gives lots of options when used effectively. The major advantage is the angle for a delivery.
It's just depend on a teams preference and playing style . It also depends on abilities of players to make good judgements on short corner routines be it practiced or improvised.
A mix of all 3 types of corners  is most suitable though I'm certainly not averse to short corners with the slick approach
Allez allez allez
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2019, 12:09:52 AM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...

Ah, we still doing that nonsense? Wasn't it West Brom in the play off game where every single corner we took was a short one and the crowd were groaning by the sixth one as they obviously weren't leading to any chances.

More odd when you think Mings would've been desperate to score yesterday and he's scored a few for us already.

Short corner routines give Grealish ability to create angles and allows some real quick interplay . Actually get good chance if we can befuddle the defence , move players around and when we use it well allow for goal scoring chances . In general statistically they  provide better chances for goals than corners down to players poor delivery . With short corners bit only does it drag defending players out of position the pass for possession and becoming an open play situation gives lots of options when used effectively. The major advantage is the angle for a delivery.
It's just depend on a teams preference and playing style . It also depends on abilities of players to make good judgements on short corner routines be it practiced or improvised.
A mix of all 3 types of corners  is most suitable though I'm certainly not averse to short corners with the slick approach
Allez allez allez

Wasn't it a short corner routine that led to our goal?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 19, 2019, 12:12:41 AM
Elmo may have delivered the most crosses. He didn't create much opportunity.
He did create one of two major chances in the game. Nailed it with that one where  Grealish missed the best chance of the match.Unfortunately that quality delivery was few and far between from his 11 crosses as was only one major chance created, there were a few more, but nothing with such lovely velocity as that.
Generally he needed to be far more successful, accurate and rapid with his dispatching into the penalty area.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 19, 2019, 12:16:42 AM
Can we practise set pieces and not keep taking wanky short corners, pretty please? VAR is going to lead to loads of soft penalties for pulls and such like. You won't get one if you refuse to get the ball into the area though...

Ah, we still doing that nonsense? Wasn't it West Brom in the play off game where every single corner we took was a short one and the crowd were groaning by the sixth one as they obviously weren't leading to any chances.

More odd when you think Mings would've been desperate to score yesterday and he's scored a few for us already.

Short corner routines give Grealish ability to create angles and allows some real quick interplay . Actually get good chance if we can befuddle the defence , move players around and when we use it well allow for goal scoring chances . In general statistically they  provide better chances for goals than corners down to players poor delivery . With short corners bit only does it drag defending players out of position the pass for possession and becoming an open play situation gives lots of options when used effectively. The major advantage is the angle for a delivery.
It's just depend on a teams preference and playing style . It also depends on abilities of players to make good judgements on short corner routines be it practiced or improvised.
A mix of all 3 types of corners  is most suitable though I'm certainly not averse to short corners with the slick approach
Allez allez allez

Wasn't it a short corner routine that led to our goal?

I think we were looking at a 'phase of ' from one of the short corners. Maybe 2nd phases Grealish -McGinn -Grealish- Douglas.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2019, 12:20:40 AM
Elmo may have delivered the most crosses. He didn't create much opportunity.
He did create one of two major chances in the game. Nailed it with that one where  Grealish missed the best chance of the match.Unfortunately that quality delivery was few and far between from his 11 crosses as was only one major chance created, there were a few more, but nothing with such lovely velocity as that.
Generally he needed to be far more successful, accurate and rapid with his dispatching into the penalty area.


Even that one was from very deep so the only 'chance' was for Grealish to head it home. crossing higher up the pitch between defence and keeper gives you a lot more chances for mistakes and  brings 2-3 attackers into the play (especially if you aim it to be head high at the front post). Flatter crosses, to an area rather than trying to pick out a man, are simply much more effective but they require you to be further up the pitch , from deep they tend to always be getting away from the forwards. Guilbert put 7-8 lovely flat crosses in from roughly in line with the penalty spot during pre-season, it was the thing that impressed me most about him and is why I really want him in the team, I think he'll make a massive difference. On the other side I reckon a bag of cement would have more attacking impact than Taylor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Vill I An on August 19, 2019, 12:26:00 AM
In regards to pulls (and other infringing) in the area VAR will be ruling out many 'goals' due to new hand ball rules , pushing , fouls and offsides.
Let's just be patient with this brand of football and short corners room for all 3
There are more ways than JT days of booming headers though we all loved those attack the ball at all costs  Laursen days it pays to be flexible and move the ball and opposition around.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
If that is Footyskillz he has taken a krash korse in speling and grammer.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
MicrosoftWordskillz?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: lukey27 on August 19, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
I think the real barometer will be where we are after 10 games.

We were hit with two real sucker punches and 2-0 down is a difficult position against anybody in this league.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him change both full backs and rotate the wide players in the the next few weeks. I imagine if we play Targett and Guilbert we wouldn't necessarily have to play out and out wingers in front of them, which could see us bring Hourihane, Nakamba and Jota into the mix.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2019, 09:21:00 AM
I think the real barometer will be where we are after 10 games.
Yes however I will refuse to accept that if we are in the bottom 3. I witch to 20 games at that stage☹️
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
It all depends on cutting out the mistakes and how quickly Wes gets up to speed (no pressure). Weíve given away goals and havenít carried much goal threat going forward in both games so far, so when we can fix both of those issues then weíll see more positive results and points on the board.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Oscar Arce on August 19, 2019, 11:09:27 AM
Having calmed down a bit I'd like to take the positives from the game, which for me were the performances of Taylor, Mings, Engels McGinn and Luiz, after the mistakes.
I do fear for us unless we quickly get our forward play sorted, Wesley looks hopelessly out of his depth I'm afraid, he's too slow getting into the box and his general hold up play (which is what I think we bought him for) is poor. Too much time on the floor and moaning at the ref, too far behind play, making our wide players, who were also poor, check back before crossing when they should be whipping the ball in and expecting him to be somewhere on the end of it.
I also thought Grealish and McGinn's starting positions were too far forward in the early stages, we started only to get more of the ball when they dropped a bit deeper.
I just can't see this formation working in the Premier League, Bournemouth, nowhere near the top teams, were more fluid with their movement, with players interchanging positions, our formation looked static with two wide players standing waiting for the ball.
We are too light up top, Wesley is the only real centre forward we have, and I know it's early days but I'm concerned we don't have the players to play two up top with the three centre backs and getting width from the new full backs, which would cause teams more problems.
Smith was employed as the master coach, so this will test him now, mistakes I know cost us, but we didn't create enough to win the game , despite the possession.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 19, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
After watching the highlights back, just wondering what the hell Heaton was doing for the penalty? It looks like he had time to dive down and smother that ball, so why did he go in with his feet (and even then his little kick out appeared delayed)?

Hopefully, that's all of the little gremlins out of the system now. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 01:42:52 PM
At least with the current owners you know that should we be struggling come December, that they'll be willing to spend in January.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2019, 02:08:22 PM
Guilbert put 7-8 lovely flat crosses in from roughly in line with the penalty spot during pre-season, it was the thing that impressed me most about him and is why I really want him in the team, I think he'll make a massive difference. On the other side I reckon a bag of cement would have more attacking impact than Taylor.

Agree on Guilbert, what surprised me on his pre-season was not so much his attacking flair, that was noticeable with the few games I watched whilst he was still in France, but his defensive capability. I was expecting that to be his weakness but he looks the real deal.

I think you're being extremely harsh on Taylor. Overall he had a good game. He did his best to get forward but El Ghazi when receiving the ball immediately played it back to him and then failed to move. In fact there were very few if any options for Taylor on the left, maybe that's why Jack decided to go out there and play in El Ghazi's position. It's near impossible to overlap when you have nobody to play a 1-2 with. I don't expect to see El Ghazi start another game, he's been that poor, instead we'll switch Trez to his favoured left side and Guilbert come in on the right with two defensive midfielders to cover him when he goes forward.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2019, 02:10:29 PM
One point not seen mentioned on here was our fans. I thought they were utterly brilliant on Saturday. More of the same please on Friday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2019, 02:15:14 PM
One point not seen mentioned on here was our fans. I thought they were utterly brilliant on Saturday. More of the same please on Friday.

It was great in the build up, but then their first minute penalty killed the atmosphere pretty well stone dead for the rest of the first half and until we scored second half.  Then it picked up again massively.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 19, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
One point not seen mentioned on here was our fans. I thought they were utterly brilliant on Saturday. More of the same please on Friday.

It was great in the build up, but then their first minute penalty killed the atmosphere pretty well stone dead for the rest of the first half and until we scored second half.  Then it picked up again massively.


It reminded me of the Juventus game when Villa Park was buzzing in anticipation and Paolo Rossi scored in the first minute.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 19, 2019, 03:55:56 PM
One point not seen mentioned on here was our fans. I thought they were utterly brilliant on Saturday. More of the same please on Friday.

It was great in the build up, but then their first minute penalty killed the atmosphere pretty well stone dead for the rest of the first half and until we scored second half.  Then it picked up again massively.
To be fair whilst it certainly quietened down, it felt to me that the crowd largely stuck with the players and there was still reasonable noise in the Holte end at least.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 19, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
We certainly stuck with them, North Upper was v v noisy and even at full time whistle we were singing. I can't believe how quiet the away support was.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 19, 2019, 04:18:46 PM
One point not seen mentioned on here was our fans. I thought they were utterly brilliant on Saturday. More of the same please on Friday.

Decent review of a Bournemouth fans first visit to Villa Park. ( I cut out the match write up )

"After an underwhelming opening day draw to Sheffield United posed more questions than answers, Bournemouth travelled to Villa with some trepidation, especially given last season's wretched away form.

This was my first visit to Villa Park and after a couple of beers in the away fans' marquee at the Whitton Arms, we headed in to soak up the atmosphere in the sunshine. First impressions were excellent; a proper football stadium with steep stands, fans close to the pitch and impressive atmosphere. As we built towards kick off, the noise from the home fans was deafening, unlike anything I've heard in the Premier League before and far better than atmosphere I've witnessed at Wembley, Anfield or any of the other big stadiums. Obviously, this was partly due to the fans' high spirits at their Premier League return, but as the banner in the Holt End says, they'll definitely be a 12th man for Villa this season.

Verdict - An excellent away win in an intimidating place to visit. A game I think we would have lost last season. We looked far more comfortable in a 442 and with the changes in personnel. Neither Mepham or Rico are quite ready for the rigours of this kind of game.

We really needed a strong start today and we got it. The defence were immense but something still isn't clicking up front. Hopefully Brooks can be the missing piece of the jigsaw when he's back. Better substitutions from Eddie today though, proactive instead of too late.

Villa looked threatening and I think they'll stay up, McGinn in particular was a livewire throughout. I hope they do survive, as I'd love to return to Villa Park, a proper football stadium! Fans on the way out all seemed very reasonable, honest and fair - don't believe everything you see on a forum!"
Title: Re: Aston Villa 1-2 Bournemouth Post Match Thread
Post by: Scamps180 on August 20, 2019, 01:49:19 AM
For me Engels was in a class of his own today, faultless. Think I would go with a 5-3-2 against Everton, bring in the new full backs to get forward quicker than Taylor and Elmo, don't get me wrong thought both were ok but not like modern day full backs need to be, and play Jack closer to wes, utv