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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:24:04 PM
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Sounds like he is signing. £11 million according to Sky.
There is only one word to sum up my feelings on the issue...
Tremendous.
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Welcome Marvellous!
Deal worth more than £11 million.
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Welcome to the Villa
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Where is this confirmed?
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Sky Sports, and now BREAKING NEWS on yellow ticker.
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Where is this confirmed?
It’s on the SSN yellow ticker thingy
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https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1154349233560006657?s=12
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Sky Sports, and now BREAKING NEWS on yellow ticker.
Ah, cheers!
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Wonder how many fans will have "Marvelous" printed on the back of their new villa tops!
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He looks like he has bags of energy and we are going to need that. Can’t expect SJM to run all season. He will need a break and this lad looks like he can do a lot of what McGinn does for us.
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Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?
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Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?
I would have thought so, he is a holding midfielder isn't he ?
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Fantastic signing.
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Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?
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So, I see he only played 18 games for Brugge last season - sure any good?
Or maybe he is backup for when Douglas Luiz is bought back to Man City, so we already have him lined up for next season.
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Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?
Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉
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Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?
Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉
That's where I nicked the idea to start a thread from 😁
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Things could be marvellous..
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Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.
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Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?
Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉
That's where I nicked the idea to start a thread from 😁
Damn. Nearly started my first ever thread. I was just too slow. Story of my life, right there. 😂
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So, I see he only played 18 games for Brugge last season - sure any good?
Or maybe he is backup for when Douglas Luiz is bought back to Man City, so we already have him lined up for next season.
Which would be my thinking. This regime seem clued in to the way football operates. There's more to forward thinking than just promoting kids.
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Marvellous, stupendous (his cousin?).
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As promised, it looks like we're building strength and quality competition for each and every position. I like it.
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Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.
Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.
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Instead of Luiz?
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Things could be marvellous..
Fabulous!
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Does anyone know much about this guy? Don't think I've seen any detailed assessments of his abilities?
He missed a lot of games last season, but maybe was injured at the start?
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Instead of Luiz?
As well as, I would assume. My optimismometer has just ratcheted up another couple of notches.
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Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.
Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.
Ashley Preece
@PreeceObserver
beat them by a couple of minutes
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Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.
Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.
They don't do things like verify sources. Never wrong for long.
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I'm running out of superlatives for this signing, most marvellous.
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He wasn't signed from Benfica or AC Milan, so I'm not interested. He must be shit. We're doing a Fulham. #levels.
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One would assume either Lansbury or Thor will be off if this one happens...
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I am already cringing of the Jack Woodward puns ahead...
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Stupendous.
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Stupendous.
Done at 1.00, keep up😜
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Im not sure we actually needed another centre midfield player unless its for next season if Luiz goes back to Man City like was mentioned. I can't see Hourihane getting much game time this season now, and Lansbury, Bjarnason, O'Hare can forget about it.
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Stupendous.
Done at 1.00, keep up😜
Prodigious!
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Is he any good?
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Imperious.
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Crikey it’s getting crowded now, assuming the Brazilian is in the bag and we need a new GK.
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Crikey it’s getting crowded now, assuming the Brazilian is in the bag and we need a new GK.
And a striker 8)
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We now have Ming (&) The Marvellous
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Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........
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Things could be marvellous..
Fabulous!
Open up the window and jump into claret and blue.
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Things could be marvellous..
Fabulous!
Open up the window and jump into claret and blue.
*nods in approval*
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Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........
marvellous?
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Im not sure we actually needed another centre midfield player unless its for next season if Luiz goes back to Man City like was mentioned. I can't see Hourihane getting much game time this season now, and Lansbury, Bjarnason, O'Hare can forget about it.
We definitely need to strengthen in midfield. Hourihane has just been rewarded with a contract extension but I don’t see a future for BB or Lansbury at Villa Park, and O’Hare needs to go out on loan again to continue his development. Both Marvelous and Luiz are very much needed for our midfield to be competitive in the Premier League (as long as they are as good as expected).
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Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........
I think we have only ever had Zambians. Freddy Mwilah, forget the name of the other one, and Jackie Sewell played for them too.
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Splendid
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Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........
I think we have only ever had Zambians. Freddy Mwilah, forget the name of the other one, and Jackie Sewell played for them too.
Apologies, yes they were from Zambia not Zimbabwe, like Boris I get confused in the details. Close but no cigar. The other was Emment Kapengwe.
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Splendid
We signing his brother as well?!
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Tumultuous will be his reception at Villa Park.
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
So far, although that's always stage 1 of an official announcement. Stage 2 is Wolves saying he's shit, stage 3 is the bloke on Pravda asking him *just* what it means to play for a club like Villa.
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What are we going to nickname him? I'd go for Toby. Toby Jones who played Neil Baldwin in the film adaptation of his life.
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When do Brentford play Bruges in the pre-season Villa Tribute friendly?
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Do we really need another player for this end of the pitch with all the cover we have . In comparison our 8/9/10 goal scorer / centre forward area seems so weak in comparison
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
So far, although that's always stage 1 of an official announcement. Stage 2 is Wolves saying he's shit, stage 3 is the bloke on Pravda asking him *just* what it means to play for a club like Villa.
This is pretty much how our week has been since 27th May.
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window. It’s obviously a very old article!
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window. It’s obviously a very old article!
There’s a new article today and it was on SSN earlier
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11770237/aston-villa-agree-11m-fee-for-club-brugge-midfielder-marvelous-nakamba
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Is this the first time we have had a player from a country with a Z?
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No, we had Freddie Mwala and Emment Kapengwe from Zambia.
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Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window. It’s obviously a very old article!
There’s a new article today and it was on SSN earlier
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11770237/aston-villa-agree-11m-fee-for-club-brugge-midfielder-marvelous-nakamba
Still says second signing, but now realised it’s second signing from Brugges doh 🤭
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I'm sure another one will come along soon
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Has he actually signed? I’m at work, can’t check!
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Has he actually signed? I’m at work, can’t check!
Not yet official. Still just Sky Sports understands
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You lot are making all this up, aren't you?
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Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?
I would have thought so, he is a holding midfielder isn't he ?
We're allowed to sign both of them, surely?
Might be a marvelous (ha) rouse. If we rotate Doug & Marv, might keep him far enough below the work permit threshold that we can keep him for an extra season or two, so increase the buy back fee
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Good stuff, I mean marvellous, does anybody know, what this now takes our spending to, say to the nearest £50 mill!
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Good stuff, I mean marvellous, does anybody know, what this now takes our spending to, say to the nearest £50 mill!
I read £120m being cited earlier but please treat that as you would a statistic from Boris Johnson
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Nicked from Twitter
Sky sources understand Birmingham City are interested in signing Marvelous Nakamba's brother, Atrocious Nakamba
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His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
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John Percy's article states we will sign him so I would expect it to happen.
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Nicked from Twitter
Sky sources understand Birmingham City are interested in signing Marvelous Nakamba's brother, Atrocious Nakamba
Very good.
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His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.
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His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.
Or NotsoNakamba. It's not as funny, but does have a nice ring to it!
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'S Wonderful 'S Marvellous
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His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
My Zimbabwean colleague's first name is Fortune. Luckily it's a guy.
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Still says second signing, but now realised it’s second signing from Brugges doh 🤭
Obviously one of our Scout is Brugge based.
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His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.
Or NotsoNakamba. It's not as funny, but does have a nice ring to it!
The word nakamba means work-shy waste of oxygen type in Punjabi :o
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Sorry I thought that was Micah Richards
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To the tune of Barry for England.
‘Marvellous Nakamba che che che che che’
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Well I reckon we've got the best named footballer in the Premier league anyway. Welcome Marvellous. Super smashing.
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Any updates today or is this now a “Sky Sports misunderstands” situation ?
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This deal seems to have gone quiet? Any updates?
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He's picketting himself.
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He's picketting himself.
So he is a striker then? :)
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The Rags are after his brother ‘Fucking Rubbish’
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The Rags are after his brother ‘Fucking Rubbish’
Good one
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Has this guy signed ?
Or was it all a dream ???
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Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so. But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
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Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so. But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
Marvelous is better value at £11m than the overpriced Phillips at £25 million plus...
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Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so. But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.
Goalie
Guilbert Mings Targett
Phillips DM Luiz DM Makamba DM
Grealish McGinn
Jota ( in the hole )
Wesley
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Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so. But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.
Goalie
Guilbert Mings Targett
Phillips DM Luiz DM Makamba DM
Grealish McGinn
Jota ( in the hole )
Wesley
A bit overloaded on the left, even the goalie is a left wing back 😉
Edit. Wtf!! We seem to be overdoing it on both wings now 😂
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Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so. But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.
Goalie
Guilbert Mings Targett
Phillips DM Luiz DM Makamba DM
Grealish McGinn
Jota ( in the hole )
Wesley
A bit overloaded on the left, even the goalie is a left wing back 😉
Edit. Wtf!! We seem to be overdoing it on both wings now 😂
Grenade!! Take cover!!
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Marvelous Nakamba to Aston Villa should be done in the next 24 hours. [gregg evans] #avfc
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Marvelous Nakamba to Aston Villa should be done in the next 24 hours. [gregg evans] #avfc
I’d have preferred Phillips . His name started cropping up hoping to force a move again over weekend. I can’t see us wanting Luiz, Marvelous and PHILLIPS especially given that if we really needed to we have Connor , Engels and Konsa who can play that role, anyway.....
Announce some bloody strikers , aaarrgghhh
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Marvellous is a box-to-box player isn't he, so possibly an alternative to SJM. In which case Phillips would be an alternative to Douglas or give us to the option of playing 2 defensive midfielders when we're playing the better teams. Does look like Smith wants 2 players for each position.
If Douglas has a good season, we could also buy Phillips with the profit margin that's built into the Douglas buy-in clause, effectively buying Phillips for free - proving a smart move.
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No, he's a defensive sitter.
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That suggests we've probably moved on from Phillips for the time being then. Wouldn't be surprised if we're back in for him at a later date.
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Tish to Doncaster ?
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/24-year-old-aston-villa-man-poised-to-make-efl-switch/
EDIT - Sorry, wrong thread
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Seems like a crazy gamble letting Tshibola go. If we get Marvellous and Phillips, that would only be about forty midfielders if Tish leaves.
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Tish epitomized everything that was wrong about Aston Villa when we bought him. A shambolic mess living in the past run by self interested clowns and fronted by a tiny man in a cheap suit, visiting the ground and BMH in a taxi.
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Are you talking about our current vice-chairman?
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Seems like a crazy gamble letting Tshibola go. If we get Marvellous and Phillips, that would only be about forty midfielders if Tish leaves.
There's a player in there somewh.....actually there isn't, he's shit.
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You look Marvelous , Billy Chrystal ....
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On his way for a medical (marvellous) according to twatter
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Sky Sports also saying he's with the Villa medical staff today, although the details of the contract haven't been agreed yet.
Finally got around to watching a few videos of him. He reminds me a lot of Delph actually - aggressive, range of passing, somewhat slippery dribbling style and loping sort of running style, even left-footed and looks a little too eager to go to ground. If he has half Delph's impact that'll be a big success.
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Terms agreed according to Football Insider......however accurate they are??
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Half of Delph's impact would be the least I'd be hoping for. I liked Fab when he was on-form but for a lot of his career at Villa he was injured or struggling to make an impression.
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I’ve also just finally watched the obligatory YouTube compilation. Repeats footage in a 2 minute clip, worryingly!
I like the look of him. Quick and physical, likes a lunging tackle. Can see him challenging SJM in the yellow card stakes.
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he has a good poke on him...geez
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He looks pretty quick, which he'll need to be with that tackling style. I was trying to see if the Belgian league was as quick as the premier league and it does look similar. Good feet and not afraid to go forwards - could be a good signing.
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Sky Sports also saying he's with the Villa medical staff today, although the details of the contract haven't been agreed yet.
Finally got around to watching a few videos of him. He reminds me a lot of Delph actually - aggressive, range of passing, somewhat slippery dribbling style and loping sort of running style, even left-footed and looks a little too eager to go to ground. If he has half Delph's impact that'll be a big success.
The Delph comparison is a really good one. Very quick, not afraid of making a challenge. Will absolutely keep SJM sharp and a brilliant rotation option.
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I can see similarity with the way he plays and Delph looks a good player looking forward to seeing play for us.
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Any updates on this supposed deal? Medical was yesterday according to reports.....
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Maybe the Egyptians have blocked the transfer, as it might take focus from their son
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We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
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Or the Home Office do.
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Media day today so maybe they were tied up doing that all day. Still over a week of the window to go and it gets quite exciting to still be involved up to the deadline.
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Or the Home Office do.
Normally a deal is announced with 'subject to work permit' tagged with an asterix next to it.
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Looks quick footed and good at drobbling but will need to learn to stay on his feet rather than his arse.
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Drobbling will do that to you though.
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Arse and drobbling in the same sentence. Issues.
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We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.
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Agreed. We’ve been simply outstanding this summer and getting deals done. All this doing a Fulham bollocks when in reality we are the very opposite getting all our incoming business done with the exception of maybe a striker by the end of July. And there’s still a day to go. To get almost all of the players in a good number of days before the deadline is very impressive.
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We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.
That's not what I meant.
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We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.
That's not what I meant.
What did you mean then? You know it's not as easy as making an offer then wrapping the whole thing up in a couple of days.
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We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.
That's not what I meant.
What did you mean then? You know it's not as easy as making an offer then wrapping the whole thing up in a couple of days.
Think he means we're not panicking (for a change).
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Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.
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that AVtransfers guy on twitter reporting that was "Not such a Marvelous medical 👀 #AVFC"
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Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.
That's what I meant. There's instances where the fee has been agreed, terms have been agreed, the medical has been done but it still takes a while before there's an official announcement. I thought Nakamba would have been announced yesterday with the words 'subject to international clearance' added at the end. And with Trezeguet it was announced as being subject to international clearance and I never saw anything about clearance being granted, just saw him playing against Walsall.
The recruitment team have truly done a great job this summer. Both in identifying who they wanted and the way they've gone about bringing them in.
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What if it is just the appropriate amount of time to do things correctly? To make sure everything has been verified and paperwork submitted, i’s dotted, t’s crossed. None of us truly know once two clubs have agreed a fee what constitutes the final steps in a deal. Especially with a non EU player. And I imagine as the UK exits Brexit it will only get more complex. So just because a deal is agreed doesn’t mean all of the other stuff has. It’s a lot more than a medical.
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I know what you mean but at the same time if we get the player either way and the rest is just admin then it makes no difference to anything besides fans getting a bit impatient for a week or two.
I guess the obvious risk is you leave room for other clubs to hijack deals but there’s no evidence that that’s happened/going to happen so I’m relaxed about it.
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Is done. The Phillips story is bollocks as far as I know.
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Is the not so Marvelous medical story bolx too?
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Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.
That's what I meant. There's instances where the fee has been agreed, terms have been agreed, the medical has been done but it still takes a while before there's an official announcement. I thought Nakamba would have been announced yesterday with the words 'subject to international clearance' added at the end. And with Trezeguet it was announced as being subject to international clearance and I never saw anything about clearance being granted, just saw him playing against Walsall.
The recruitment team have truly done a great job this summer. Both in identifying who they wanted and the way they've gone about bringing them in.
Trezeguet didn't play against Walsall, did he? Charlton - yes.
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Sorry, yes Charlton.
Agreed about it being fan impatience. The problem with working from home is that I’m checking for updates every few minutes. The irony being is that probably all the official announcements have been when I’ve been busy.
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Sorry, yes Charlton.
Agreed about it being fan impatience. The problem with working from home is that I’m checking for updates every few minutes. The irony being is that probably all the official announcements have been when I’ve been busy.
I know I do a circuit of the internet for updates when I should be working and I am a Surgeon !! (not really)
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I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?
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I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?
Just about the opposite to Sanchez!
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It was the lack of any sort of motor or physicality that made Sanchez such a disappointment, in my opinion. He always looked bewildered by the English game, and knackered after 60 minutes.
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I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
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I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
So did the rest of the team!
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I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
I just love the name Marvelous Nakamba. He sounds like a character created by Lenny Henry to be the best mate of Algernon Razzamatazz.
Should we have signed Marvelous Nakamba? 'Algernon says okay'.
I have got that song stuck in my head now.
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I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
So did the rest of the team!
Ha! Indeed. Oh as supporters, how we've suffered for far too long. The references to today and 1975 ring very true.
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I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?
Does he spend most of the match running 5 yards behind an opponent?
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I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?
Does he spend most of the match running 5 yards behind an opponent?
I just see someone who can time a lunge and play tidy at times. But again, this is totally going off highlights videos. I’m no scout.
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He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.
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He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.
YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing. I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.
On a bit of a sobering note, there's a Villa fan out in Spain who has a season ticket at Girona. I read a comment recently when asked what he thought of Luiz, he replied that he thought he had looked ordinary and possibly a bit lightweight. Based purely on that comment, I would pick Marvelous against Spurs in what will be a baptism of fire for many of the players, including DM.
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He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.
YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing. I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.
On a bit of a sobering note, there's a Villa fan out in Spain who has a season ticket at Girona. I read a comment recently when asked what he thought of Luiz, he replied that he thought he had looked ordinary and possibly a bit lightweight. Based purely on that comment, I would pick Marvelous against Spurs in what will be a baptism of fire for many of the players, including DM.
Spanish mate of mine (Valencia fan) said the same thing.
Mind you, being a DM in a team that gets relegated it isn’t always easy to shine, and we have seen plenty of our players move onto better things after leaving us when we were relegated (recently Gueye) so there is always hope...
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.
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He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.
YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing. I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.
Isn't Dean Smith a 4-2-3-1 man at heart?
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.
I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard. No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like.
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.
I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard. No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like.
He exists, but in parallel universe alongside the likes of Outrageous Drogba and Unconvincing Westwood, where players put in didier performances for ashley amounts of money
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Be patient! You know....
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we'll reveal Phillips first.
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.
I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard. No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like.
He exists, but in parallel universe alongside the likes of Outrageous Drogba and Unconvincing Westwood, where players put in didier performances for ashley amounts of money
Made me laugh :)
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Be patient! You know....
Yes, why don't you try it?
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This is done. Should be announced later today/2mo unless Villa decide to hold out for his Visa to be sorted. Hes signed a contract though
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Be patient! You know....
Yes, why don't you try it?
Oh the irony!
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Be patient! You know....
Yes, why don't you try it?
Oh the irony!
Not sure what you mean.
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Marvellous announced....as a crossword.
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FECKIN MARVELOUS!!
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I'm worried with a name like Marvelous that he won't be!
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No mention of his signing being subject to a VISA?
Is it slightly easier coming from a Commonwealth nation? Hopefully he can play tomorrow and be available for Spurs.
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Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Be patient! You know....
Yes, why don't you try it?
Oh the irony!
Not sure what you mean.
I don’t get any of it.
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No mention of his signing being subject to a VISA?
Is it slightly easier coming from a Commonwealth nation? Hopefully he can play tomorrow and be available for Spurs.
Guessing he's exempt as a Kolpak player? I've only ever heard of the rules being applied to cricket but can't see why they wouldn't apply to football, too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling
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Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
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Poor Tom Heaton.
He only signed this morning and already is not our newest announcement 😄
What a bloody summer !!!!
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Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
It’s not jW, but the questions are as inane as usual, although Marvelous does give one brilliant answer
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa
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Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
It’s not jW, but the questions are as inane as usual, although Marvelous does give one brilliant answer
Just watched on your advice, survived the experience ;)
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa
What sort of singing does he do?
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Welcome, finally to the Marvelous Villa, Marvelous
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa
What sort of singing does he do?
Do you really need an answer?
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Welcome welcome, not sure how Deano gonna fit you in .
Thanks to Thor, Henry and about 4 other midfielders that surely must be leaving now
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Melodious or Mellifluous at a guess.(singing)
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Welcome Mr Nakamba.
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What's his car reversing like?
😁
Let's hope he's brilliant!
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Bit of a strange signing ? Do we effectively have four players, including three recent signings (Jota, Luiz and Marvelous) competing with Hourihane to partner McGinn and Grealish? Jota also an option out wide competing with Trez it seems.
Our scouts seem to have had success in the Belgian league in recent years, hope it continues!
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Bit of a strange signing ? Do we effectively have four players, including three recent signings (Jota, Luiz and Marvelous) competing with Hourihane to partner McGinn and Grealish? Jota also an option out wide competing with Trez it seems.
Our scouts seem to have had success in the Belgian league in recent years, hope it continues!
Seems to me like Marvelous will be competing with Luiz, Jota competing with SJM, SJG and the wide players, Hourihane competing with all the centre-mids.
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Some superb player names in the Zimbabwe national side.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Marvelous let's hope we have a Marvelous time together at Villa.
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I would love this kid to become out N’golo Kante. Signed for next to nothing by Leicester from Caen he became one the most influential signings for them in that title year and since one of the best CM in the league and in Europe. This lad like to put himself about and scores the odd few too. Good luck Marvellous.
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Great work from Prada - the email just received announcing Heaton and Marvelous reveals that Marvelous is 25 and the link to the 'full story' online travels back in time and advises he is 24.
Our very own Benjamin Button.
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My pick to be the signing of the summer.
From my time playing with him on Fifa, he's a fucking beast.
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Welcome Marvellous, now just be outstanding.
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Marvellous innit?
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'S wonderful, 's marvelous
That you should care for me
'S awful nice, 's paradise
'S what I love to see
You've made my life so glamorous
You can't blame me for feeling amorous
Oh, 's wonderful, 's marvelous
That you should care for me
'S wonderful, 's marvelous
You should care for me
'S awfully nice, 's paradise
'S what I love to see
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he has marvelous teeth
welcome
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To be honest we have some really good midfield options now.
Grealish and McGinn favoured for the middle, but Jota and Trezeguet can play in those positions too if needed. El Ghazi and Trezeguet for the left, Jota and Green for the right ( with Jota, Trezeguet, and El Ghazi being able to swap wings also ). Now we have Hourihane, Luiz, and Nakamba competing for the DM position.
Quite happy with that. The only annoying thing is that Luiz really isn't going to be available for the first few games because of work permit. Does anyone know if the Marvelous one has a permit already and can start training and preparing for the early games already?
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Surely Luiz's work permit should be sorted before the start of the season?
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Surely Luiz's work permit should be sorted before the start of the season?
It should, but he's still in Brazil... so once he is allowed to work over here he will be able to join the squad and start training and have to get up to the level the rest of the squad is at around now.
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Really like what were doing and that we can get it to work on the pitch fast. Signing some scouts from Brentford and Club Brugge might be an idea. 8)
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Scandalous
I'm talking about you and me
Marvelous
Baby, baby, can't you see
Anything you've ever dreamed of
I'm willing to be
Tonight it's going to be scandalous
'Cause tonight I'm going to be your fantasy
8)
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OK serious one now lads, someone must be able to make a good one out of this - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLAWPrCUQQ0
He's Marvelous Nakamba
He's Marvelous Nakamba
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Really like what were doing and that we can get it to work on the pitch fast. Signing some scouts from Brentford and Club Brugge might be an idea. 8)
Only if they're as good as these Standard Liege scouts
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Zimbabwe have got quite a few marvelously-named players:
Elvis Chipezeze
Teenage Hadebe (aged 23)
Divine Lunga
Knowledge Musona
Godknows Murwira
Rodwell Chinyengetere
Admiral Muskwe
Lucky Mkosana
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You just know that if we signed "Lucky", he'd be injured on his debut and miss the next eight months.
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The Luc Nilis clause.
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Zimbabwe have got quite a few marvelously-named players:
Elvis Chipezeze
Teenage Hadebe (aged 23)
Divine Lunga
Knowledge Musona
Godknows Murwira
Rodwell Chinyengetere
Admiral Muskwe
Lucky Mkosana
Magnificent Stuff.
(I hope that’s not the name of a player too).
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I commented he was anonymous in the first half but as the game went on he came more into it. Very efficient with the ball and I am sure he will be a lot more dynamic once fully fit. He’ll prove a great option converting for our starting midfielders in the future.
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At about 20 minutes I didn’t think he would make it to half time...but he really settled and was my man of the match at the end
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If it is too late for us to sign Godknows Murwira perhaps there is a Gaslight Wesleyan out there we can bring in
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Dodgy start, but once he caught the pace of the game he was really good. Looks like he could be an enforcer to allow our seventy million other midfielders to get forward.
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If it is too late for us to sign Godknows Murwira perhaps there is a Gaslight Wesleyan out there we can bring in
Separate thread in off topic for your Divine Lunges...
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https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/1166446356896071680?s=12
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That's just filth, feel a bit sorry for the crewe player.
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Looks a bit lightweight from what I was expecting but if he’s athletic, skillful and strong enough in possession then we could have a player on our hands. Glad he got some minutes tonight and expect him to be introduced as a sub a few times rather than starter when he’s match fit to get him comfortable with the pace of the PL.
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Looked a bit rusty the first 20 minutes but really got up to speed second half and thought he really got a grip of the game and ball. Encouraging.
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Was interesting to see Mervelous last night. Some good things and some signs that he's got to get up to speed, but not a bad showing for his first game in English football.
Looking forward to seeing how he develops this season. My only disappointment really was that he doesn't go by his first name on his shirt!
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According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.
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Hopefully in the squad for Monday to strengthen us physically.
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Hopefully in the squad for Monday to strengthen us physically.
Douglas and 2 games with long flights could be tested I think for Marvellous to make his debut.
I think Deano will account for that with a few that have been away and how many mins they played and how far they have travelled
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Good that we're not playing til Monday then.
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According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.
he looks a cross between Dalian and Dwight . I love him just for that .
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According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.
he looks a cross between Dalian and Dwight . I love him just for that .
I can certainly see Yorke in him
They have the greatest job in the world with a huge amount of wealth that goes with it - why they all don't smile like that is beyond me
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Can't wait to see him play he will give us another option in that DM role.
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Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.
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Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.
I agree. He was neat and tidy without being hugely creative. Covered the ground well and likes a tackle. Hopefully, much more to come from him. I thought he was better than Douglas but would like to see them play together.
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He looked promising, very good at breaking up play, not so great with the more ambitious stuff.
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Was pretty happy with him aswell, agree with comments above.
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I like him.
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I like him too. Like a understated player like Gueye . Was a good debut. Id liek to see him with Luis with Jack further . 4 2 3 1
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Naughty but nice. Deserves another chance.
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Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though. Decent performance.
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He did ok. Gave the ball away a couple of times early on which is always going to happen on your debut but settled after that and kept it simple when he had too. Encouraging.
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We seem more fluid with him playing that role
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Team him up with Luiz and I think we'll have two excellent CM players to give the platform for McGinn and Grealish to get more advanced in support of a hard-working but currently-undersupported Wesley.
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Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.
I agree. He was neat and tidy without being hugely creative. Covered the ground well and likes a tackle. Hopefully, much more to come from him. I thought he was better than Douglas but would like to see them play together.
Very good debut, fitted into the system really well. More to come I think
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Didn't see the game last night but really pleased with what i'm reading here - sounds like he did well and that's great. Plenty of games to go so let's see how he impresses from here.
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Lost possession a few times but regained it without resorting to lunging in ....looked strong and assured ...good debut.
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Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though. Decent performance.
I thought he was like Reo-Coker. Grafted hard to win the ball to pass it to the opposition.
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I thought there were a number of challenges where he'd concede a free-kick but his timing was spot-on. He's just the sort of player that a good side needs. Gueye and Kante like in my view.
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Team him up with Luiz and I think we'll have two excellent CM players to give the platform for McGinn and Grealish to get more advanced in support of a hard-working but currently-undersupported Wesley.
Yep, time for some flexibility. Drop one of the wingers and let Jack/SGM drift out wide as needed
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May be there is a reason why Smith signed both. Let's see how he deploys them in the future games.
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You just wonder what Deans conversation is with Conner, I know I can rely on you just need to get the new boys up to speed !
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You just wonder what Deans conversation is with Conner, I know I can rely on you just need to get the new boys up to speed !
I think his new, improved 4 year contract may have quite an influence. Like it or not, CH is now 3rd in the pecking order for DM, which was never his natural/favoured position in any case.
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He should be one of the 3 midfielders ahead of the DM. 2 wingers is not working and we are missing his goals, assists and deadball deliveries. 4-1-3-2 at home. Depending on the opposition 4-2-3-1 away from home
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I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.
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I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.
I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
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Think people are underestlng just how effective he can become a dm player who can put the foot in ala vierra
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Does anyone know if he has goals in his game ? Heard a stat yesterday that Arsenal have conceded more shots than anyone else, especially shots from distance. May be worth playing Connor or Luiz.
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He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.
I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.
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He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.
I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.
He recently played for Ireland at left back, apparently he will never play there again, according Mick McCarthy
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Hot lips , Marvellous and Luis need to start .
some muscle in midfield and a set piece delivery expert who can score which we are struggling on.
Id temped to play Targett LB too .
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He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.
I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.
He recently played for Ireland at left back, apparently he will never play there again, according Mick McCarthy
Oh, that doesn't sound good.
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No he just meant that Conor wanted game time and McCarthy wanted to experiment with kids so he put him at Left Back to give him a game.
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Ah, I see.
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I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.
I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
Well that would be Marvelous. (Sorry)
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I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.
I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
Well that would be Marvelous. (Sorry)
:)
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Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though. Decent performance.
I thought he was like Reo-Coker. Grafted hard to win the ball to pass it to the opposition.
And I think they should have the same song. I can’t say his name with putting do do do in front of it like the conga.
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Reminds me of Boateng. I like him.
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I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.
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Looks decent.
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Yes, another good game for Nakamba. He's never going to set the world alight but he just does the dirty work with a minimum of fuss.
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I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.
I think as season goes on we must look at a central two of Luiz and Marvelous. Both physically decent and can move ball on quickly. Ahead McGinn, Grealish a little wider and one pace/touchline pace outlet in Trez/AEG. Oh and a new forward in January to alternate with Big Wes.
Think we'd look more balanced with that sort of set up, have more options on the bench to change games and hopefully that will get us over the line in May.
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I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
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I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.
I think as season goes on we must look at a central two of Luiz and Marvelous. Both physically decent and can move ball on quickly. Ahead McGinn, Grealish a little wider and one pace/touchline pace outlet in Trez/AEG. Oh and a new forward in January to alternate with Big Wes.
Think we'd look more balanced with that sort of set up, have more options on the bench to change games and hopefully that will get us over the line in May.
I can see the logic, but I would imagine that is pretty unlikely to happen. I can’t see Jack playing anywhere other than as a central midfielder and also think Smith see’s it as very much either Luiz or Marvelous for the DM role, not both.
Agree that we definitely need more/better options from the bench. Think we might look for another wide player as well as the striker you mention if possible in January.
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He looks a little cracker, though i shit bricks when i saw him chest it and do keepy'up in our 6yard box
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I like him a lot. Very comfortable on the ball.
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I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa
Some prima donnas need dropping now !
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You're not serious?!
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I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa
Some prima donnas need dropping now !
Seriously?
I imagine Smith plays Jack rather than Hourihane or Lansbury because he is a significantly better player.
Engels has been excellent bar his mistake against Arsenal for the penalty. He should absolutely start against Burnley.
I’m not sure I would class a single one of our players as prima donnas.
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I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa
Some prima donnas need dropping now !
Can't imagine disagreeing with a post more than this! Baffled
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I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa
Some prima donnas need dropping now !
Seriously?
I imagine Smith plays Jack rather than Hourihane or Lansbury because he is a significantly better player.
Engels has been excellent bar his mistake against Arsenal for the penalty. He should absolutely start against Burnley.
I’m not sure I would class a single one of our players as prima donnas.
Purely based on they’re getting paid decent wages and a player comes out from dressing g room to say there’s a lack of belief !? And rightly so Dean always says he thinks he can win every game or there’s no point....clearly a disparity between players and boss’ in just a few games in disappoints me about my club.
I’ll still be there at the weekend though
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And in fairness to marvellous let’s get back to topic, sorry
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I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.
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Marvelous was great yesterday.
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Agree but somewhat surprised.
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I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.
On Sunday I'd have done exactly this, Take both wingers off, Bring on Houri and Lansbury and push Jack and John higher to really press on the back 4 and Xhaka, I'd have swapped Wesley for Davis as well, again, for the extra energy and pressing.
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I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.
On Sunday I'd have done exactly this, Take both wingers off, Bring on Houri and Lansbury and push Jack and John higher to really press on the back 4 and Xhaka, I'd have swapped Wesley for Davis as well, again, for the extra energy and pressing.
Yep
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Thought keeping Marvelous in the starting eleven was a big call, to be honest. Was a very big game for his second ever appearance in the Premier League, but fair play to the lad he’s took his chance really well.
Feel a bit sorry for Luis, but then that’s the modern squad system and it’s up to him now to go out and prove he’s the better option.
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Yep, i'm in the fuck the wingers off, play a 4-5-1 with more of a free role for 3 attacking midfielders and see how we go with that. We need to be able to keep hold of the ball better, it will help in that regard, and lets face it, the wide players were pretty much crap all of last season and remain so this season.
Nakamba, Douglas, Hourahane, McGinn and Grealish.
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I don't think paul_e or I are completely writing the wingers off, we're just saying that with the context of Sunday's game that would have been a good change to make when we were starting to lose our shape and not retaining the ball well. You're still getting the benefit of Jack and John and giving them the license to get forward more and to have pushed Arsenal back and they may have been able to finish them off. Having Hourihane on the pitch would have helped with set pieces also.
Changing Wesley for Davis would have been an option but the way they were giving the ball away, you could have had Drogba at his best up top and we would have struggled to hold the ball up.
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I wouldn't blame you if you were. We are getting nothing back from them at the moment, they're not creating, they're not getting to the byline and stretching the opposition, they're losing the ball constantly which keeps coming back down the field putting pressure on the rest of the team and they're too far away from Wesley for effective link up play which he's absolutely capable of. If we keep playing this way with the wingers putting in that level of performance we're going to be in trouble.
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
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I'm definitely not writing them off, I thought Trez played really well on Sunday and whilst AEG wasn't great he did put a good ball in for the first goal. His issue is that he takes too many touches and looks indecisive, if he trusted his ability more he'd be a much bigger threat.
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
Very early to be worrying about that, given that he has only started three games.
However it is nice that, I feel at least, for the first time in a long time we have a group of people in charge that would get a deal very much on our terms and also, crucially, have contingency plans in place long before it might get to this.
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All over the place again today. Just a superb display.
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move! The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move! The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!
The club still needs to be sustainable if we want to play in Europe at some point down the road.
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Getting better with every game. Looks a good find.
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Loved watching him today, brilliant signing.
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Really important player. Doing the simple things well is so much more difficult than it looks, vital in any team.
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Everywhere, breaking up play, getting his foot in, tracking back, accurate passing. Early impressions are we have a right player on our hands here.
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He loves the villa and we love him
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Broke up play, turned us around and got us going forward. Didn’t try to overplay once. Very encouraging performance.
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I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move! The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!
The club still needs to be sustainable if we want to play in Europe at some point down the road.
We are more than sustainable with the revenue streams we are now bringing in plus the potential we have to increase that.
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I thought he was excellent yesterday. It's early days but it looks like we have picked up another very good player for a modest fee. People are quick enough sometimes to knock the scouting when signings don't come off so it's only fair to say a well done when they spot players like this.
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You have to be good to keep Luiz out of the team. Well done to the lad....again.
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Good to hear him getting a new chant as well. Quality player the whole game yesterday.
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What a player we have and another real good character. Our recruiting team have found some real gems haven’t they?
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It seems he really is marvellous.
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Him and Luiz are going to be awesome this season, hopefully playng alongside each other.
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Him and luiz are really different players. Marvelous is so high energy, great play spoiler and we recycle the ball much quicker with him in the side. He’s a much clearer version of the CDM we were lacking.
Luiz is a slower, more creative player, more likely to wait a few beats and do something special.
I‘d be surprised us we don’t end up playing them together quite a bit.
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I watched him and Wes really closely yesterday.
The fact that both were excellent was instrumental in the fact we played so well and won.
He was magnificent, and the smile on his face when his (proper) song was being sung was a sight to see!
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Anyone got any footage of the idiots singing the racist song about him?
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https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
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I'd rather not give them the oxygen of publicity, but if you want to see them, it's in the Twitter clip below.
https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
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I saw it online earlier, very embarrassing and grim. These kids need to go back to school and learn why that's unacceptable.
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Thanks. Understand your concerns Risso, had a text asking me about it so was curious.
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That’s an absolute disgrace of a chant. I would like all of those kids banned from any Villa game.
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Cracking player, i love watching players like him on the pitch, whit his heart on a sleeve.
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Cracking player, i love watching players like him on the pitch, whit his heart on a sleeve.
Worrr Brucey would have loved him
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That’s an absolute disgrace of a chant. I would like all of those kids banned from any Villa game.
Thick as shit waste of oxygen twats.
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2019 and this crap is still happening. Sad and shameful
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That chant is an embarrassment.
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The massive dick trend in songs is just fucking weird but that Mcginn master line is horrendous. How can anybody think thats a good idea to sing.
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What utter ******
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If certain seniors had a word the idiots would soon stop it. Fuckin idiots are bringing us down to the knuckledraggers level.
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If certain seniors had a word the idiots would soon stop it. Fuckin idiots are bringing us down to the knuckledraggers level.
Exactly. It needs stopping at source.
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Who are these certain seniors?
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Who are these certain seniors?
If you are like me over 40... .well over 50....then us.
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Their parents would be a good start, but I guess that ship has probably sailed.
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The worst thing about that chant is the twats on facebook and twitter saying there's nothing racist about it and this is just the snowflakes being offended by everything. I don't understand how anyone could be so stupid as to not see how that's racist.
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The worst thing about that chant is the twats on facebook and twitter saying there's nothing racist about it and this is just the snowflakes being offended by everything. I don't understand how anyone could be so stupid as to not see how that's racist.
Sadly there are a lot of absolute fucking morons out there. As a related aside I also hate the term “snowflake”. Generally it’s used by complete bigots trying to justify their hateful opinions.
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Just bantz init?
Fucking awful. If you’re singing this and you don’t think this isn’t racist you’re a twat, end of.
And sigh.
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Who are these certain seniors?
there were several oldies chanting bullshit stuff about Konsa yesterday.
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Those FB groups are so vile, I left one years ago but asked to join one again recently, hoping to find a live stream. After being accepted I had to leave straight away. It’s horrible. The slightest mention or criticism of anything racial and the clans steam in with that snowflake bollocks.
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All sorts of horrible chant. What’s the acceptable one btw, I can’t think of it?
On a more positive note, I’m not sure this got shared?:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-marvelous-nakamba-arsenal-16957303
'Life was not easy' The amazing Marvelous Nakamba story every Aston Villa fan should read
Aston Villa player interview | The Zimbabwean star's mum worked hundreds of miles away in South Africa to buy Nakamba his first pair of Puma boots while supporting the family back in Bulawayo
BY ASHLEY PREECE
22:30, 21 SEP 2019UPDATED21:27, 20 SEP 2019
From not being able to afford football boots to gracing the Premier League - the story of Aston Villa's smiling midfielder Marvelous Nakamba is truly humbling.
For the Zimbabwean owes everything to his hardworking mum, Charity, a maid who spent months at a time hundreds of miles away in South Africa to help support her family at their one-room rented home in Bulawayo.
"I was born in Hwange but grew up in Bulawayo," Nakamba told BirminghamLive , "the second-largest city in Zimbabwe. Life was not so easy but, with football, it made me enjoy life. It helped me a lot.
"Football kept me out of other things, it was not an easy life. It made everything look easy because I was playing football.
"My mother was working in South Africa so she could support me, buying me football boots and everything, my first boots were Puma. She was there for me.
"She'd come back home every three or four months to visit for two, three weeks after being at work and did that again and again. She had to do that to provide for the family. I stayed with my dad, Anthony. It helped me focus more, to give everything to succeed in football for my family, for everyone around me. It helped me grow up. To be satisfied with what I have, to give hunger to what I want, giving everything for my family.
"My mother was a maid in South Africa. My younger brother, Junior, was so young, staying with my auntie in another city, Victoria Falls."
The Villa star's quirky first name was born thanks to parents Charity and Anthony who, Nakamba admitted, were so excited that they called him Marvelous because, well, it was marvelous news. "My name came from my parents," he said. "My young brother is called Junior. My son will be called Junior Marvelous! But I think they were excited maybe, that's why they gave the name Marvelous. We learn English at school, they understood what it meant."
Back at Bodymoor Heath, though, and Nakamba had just finished training alongside his new teammates ahead of Sunday's test at the Emirates against Arsenal. The softly-spoken 25-year-old kept reiterating the importance of "pushing and pushing" himself, a mantra he's been doing ever since playing the beautiful game on the streets and sandy pitches back in Bulawayo, the birth place in fact of Coventry City legend Peter Ndlovu.
"In football, there are no limits, there's no limit for room for improvement, it's about giving everything," explained Nakamba, knowing just how far he's come in life. "I was doing what I loved, playing with friends. The pitches were difficult, playing in the streets. Before it was like playing in the sand.
"To help that dream, you said, 'OK, if we can do it here, then there is possibilities to do it on good pitches'. Everyone is looking up to me. Every time I go home it's like impossible is nothing, you just need to believe. You have the three Ds: discipline, dedication and determination. They are the keys.
"Everyone follows the Premier League. They were very happy for me coming to the best league. Peter Ndlovu is someone I know very well, someone I look up to and, every time I go home, I visit him.
"I was with him six months back in the off season. He's a real role model. Also, I speak to Benjani who played for City and Portsmouth.
"[Ndlovu] was encouraging me to push hard in Belgium so I could go to a better league and he was preferring England, hoping and willing I could make it. He said he would like me to go to England, it would be best for career. I must continue to work hard."
Nakamba, meanwhile, was thrust into the Premier League spotlight last week as Dean Smith handed him his big-league debut against West Ham United. The ex-Club Brugge man performed admirably early on before a lack of match fitness told late on.
Speaking about his start to life at Villa, Nakamba said: "So far so good. Everything has been fantastic. There's always room for improvement. I'll push and push myself and get better and better.
"My teammate's did everything for me. Jacky [Grealish] was speaking to me in training and John [McGinn] as well before the game. The group is fantastic, we're all there for each other."
Finally, though, and for the record, Nakamba quickly dismissed wild reports circulating in the summer suggesting he'd gone on strike at Brugge in a bid to force a move to Villa, something that, quite frankly, did not happen.
"I don't know how that come up," he said, bemused. "I was not on strike. I had the African Cup of Nations and, after the match against Egypt, I had a small knock in training, that's why I didn't play the last two games against DR Congo or Uganda. After that I was resting. The club gave me permission to rest, it was an extended holiday."
Nakamba is not the sort, either, far from it in fact. The star from Zimbabwe is as gentle and as warm-hearted as they come - a man who's had it so tough but, now he's at a Villa, he'll be working harder than anybody to, as he puts it, "get better and better".
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I’m a lover of this site but rarely post. However, this has made my blood boil. I had the misfortune to witness the Konsa song being sung about 2.40 and felt embarrassed. Had I heard this latest offering I would have exploded with anger. In particular, to not understand the racist implication of the “master” reference you’d have had to have been living on the moon for the past 50 years. As an aside, I spotted the twat in that video in the (fake) Burberry scarf and navy baseball cap verbally abusing a Norwich fan on the other side of the fence at full-time, shouting “you saggy faced old c#nt” repeatedly. And the age of the target of his foul-mouthed abuse ? Must have been 70 if he was a day. Sometimes I despair at what this country has become......
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Haha just noticed the meaning evil link autocorrect, good work.
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I’m a lover of this site but rarely post. However, this has made my blood boil. I had the misfortune to witness the Konsa song being sung about 2.40 and felt embarrassed. Had I heard this latest offering I would have exploded with anger. In particular, to not understand the racist implication of the “master” reference you’d have had to have been living on the moon for the past 50 years. As an aside, I spotted the twat in that video in the (fake) Burberry scarf and navy baseball cap verbally abusing a Norwich fan on the other side of the fence at full-time, shouting “you saggy faced old c#nt” repeatedly. And the age of the target of his foul-mouthed abuse ? Must have been 70 if he was a day. Sometimes I despair at what this country has become......
Sad to read this. There has to be a balance of us pulling each other up, but sometimes (perhaps faced with such mindless aggression, possibly substance fuelled) we are going to need stewards to step in, and have read (hopefully old) stories of this not happening. This feels like material for fans forum/a meeting with the club?
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Whatever it was we paid for him already looks a bargain doesn't it?
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Ok I just consulted chantwatch thread...
Nice to hear Wesley and Marvelous getting recognition for fine performances yesterday with new chants. And there was definitely a bit of traction behind Tyrone's 6'4" chant on the concourse as well.
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Ooh, La la la la la...
Du du du Marvelous Nakamba
Du du du Marvelous Nakamba
La la la la la la la la, la la
La la la la la la la la, la la
He's six foot four, he's in the air
He's here, he's there, he's everywhere
Tyrone Mings is Villa's centre half
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The original Konza song was for me just very very shit lazy stererotyping. I can understand why people didn't like it but I don't think there was any hate or malice intended. That's not to mean it was ok to sing.
The new new one though is just shocking. I can only presume two things. The chap who came up with it just rhymed rasta and master and didn't think anything of it because he's clueless or he knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote it. Either way it's pretty embarrassing really. We normally tend to do about 10-12 away games a season. We've not done one so far this time and I can't say I'm missing it that much.
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I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?
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Just pasted the club statement into the chantwatch thread.
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The new new one though is just shocking. I can only presume two things. The chap who came up with it ... he knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote it.
This is the worrying thing because it is classic recruitment of the unwary into a world of stereotyped racism.
It stinks and should be called out by us, the silent majority; not necessarily by putting ourselves at risk but least by verbally blocking it.
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I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?
I suspect there's an element of this (lack of education), at least for the 'McGinn's his master' line.
However, not sure how much being thick is an excuse for being racist.
The club have absolutely responded the right way and it is just a shame that two days after a great, much needed away win, we're having to waste time with idiots chanting racist shite.
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Of course it's not football's problem, it's society's bah blah blah fuckin blah.
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Anyway, let's get back to saying what a superb player Marvelous is shaping up to be. Wins the ball back effortlessly, but then nearly always tries something ambitious to start an attack off.
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The story has gone national now with the Guardian etc taking up the story. Quotes from the Kick it out campaign. Let’s hope the idiots who were involved are happy now people are talking about the club in such poor circumstances. They’ll probably see it as a badge of honour though.
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I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?
I suspect there's an element of this (lack of education), at least for the 'McGinn's his master' line.
However, not sure how much being thick is an excuse for being racist.
The club have absolutely responded the right way and it is just a shame that two days after a great, much needed away win, we're having to waste time with idiots chanting racist shite.
Haven't been to an away game yet this season and do my utmost to try and avoid the Burberry clad masses, so haven't heard either song at a game yet. I do recall, however, walking to a game down Trinity Road a few seasons ago and hearing a group (including a few girls I might add) singing something about Jon Kodjia's todger.
Like you Paulie, I don't imagine that the people singing these type of songs are being deliberately offensive, just lack that bit of awareness to see how it can be perceived as offensive. I can't imagine (and genuinely hope it is not the case) that someone has come up with a song that refers to one of our players being the "master"of another one in the context of slavery.
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I'd rather not give them the oxygen of publicity, but if you want to see them, it's in the Twitter clip below.
https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
That is shocking.
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I'm ashamed to be associated with idiots like that. I hope the chant dies quickly as it is disgusting. Please, please stop it.
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How anyone on any level would think this song would do us a good service as a club, or, worse ingratiate ourselves with a potentially brilliant player defies belief. Sad world at times. We now look like we are racist to our own players. Fcuk sake.
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Disgusting.
Stupid pathetic knobs.
If anyone is identified they should be banned for life.
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It's the same at almost every away game....a very small group of about 16 year olds, a bit pissed and inhibitions lost after 2 pints of Heineken before they start throwing the 3rd pint over anyone in the vicinity. Embarrassing.
They'll be back at school on Monday morning telling their mates what a great time they've had and how brave they were.
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BTW, Marvelous is bloody magic!
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Not only is it ultimately offensive but the words to it have been cobbled together horribly, it sounds awkward too. Shitful in every way you could imagine.
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A chant with the wit of 13 year old on a school playground. It's such a shame that these dozen or so idiots have besmirched the club and its supporters. To get chucked into the same pot as perennial racists is embarrassing.
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Where and who was singing this song? Cos we didn’t hear it at the game so we were puzzled when we saw the headlines.
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Where and who was singing this song? Cos we didn’t hear it at the game so we were puzzled when we saw the headlines.
https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
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I heard it at Palace and Arsenal. It's deeply sinister. The Konsa version - would people be singing about a young substitute unless they were on some level excited about being publicly racist?
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!
As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!
As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.
Who knows if he'll keep it up, but I wouldn't understate how good Hourihane has been since he came in. He might not have the Elite Midfielder Look but he consistently creates chances, which at this level is real gold-dust.
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Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!
As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.
Who knows if he'll keep it up, but I wouldn't understate how good Hourihane has been since he came in. He might not have the Elite Midfielder Look but he consistently creates chances, which at this level is real gold-dust.
I agree but I think he drifts out of games for long periods as well, which is why he'd been on the fringes of the squad until the last couple of matches. However I'm perfectly happy with us rotating that midfield a little because I'd trust any of them to come off the bench and have a positive impact as well.
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https://theathletic.co.uk/1276628/2019/10/09/aston-villa-marvelous-nakamba-how-he-was-first-spotted/
How a youth tournament in Dallas sparked Nakamba’s journey to the Premier League
By Gregg Evans Oct 8, 2019
Marvelous Nakamba was so good as a teenager that he earned his life-changing move from Africa to Europe despite playing in a make-or-break youth-team tournament while battling the flu.
It can be revealed that Aston Villa’s in-form summer signing was spotted playing for Bantu Rovers at the 2012 Dallas Cup in the United States by a scout who convinced French side AS Nancy to offer him a breakthrough.
But that’s only half the story as the Zimbabwean side — the first African team to enter the under-19 competition in 20 years — faced exasperating difficulties that almost ended their participation.
Visa complications initially prevented Bantu Rovers from competing but co-owner Peter Grieve, an American investor who had worked tirelessly to secure their entry, made the magic happen and that allowed Nakamba, albeit a shadow of himself in the contest because of illness, to realise his dreams.
“Marvelous was the best player in our team. He was also the only player to be signed up from that trip as he moved to Nancy soon after,” Grieve told The Athletic. “We actually thought he had a bad tournament, though, because he had a bad cold throughout, but I suppose his quality came through.”
Nakamba has shone for Villa in recent weeks and was the stand-out performer in their last two games against Burnley and Norwich.
It’s not been an easy journey, though, as his upbringing was tough.
Nakamba left the small coal-mining town of Hwange during his school years and moved to Njube, a high-density suburb of Zimbabwe’s second-biggest city, Bulawayo.
Bantu Rovers spotted him playing football in his local neighbourhood and offered not only the platform to nurture his talent, but also financial support to continue his education. Part of the deal to join them was an agreement to teach children how to avoid contracting HIV and AIDS through football drills with a linked health organisation called Grassroot Soccer (GRS). But more on that later.
When the midfielder was given the chance to showcase his talent in the USA at the Dallas Cup, he didn’t let the opportunity pass.
Grieve told The Athletic how Bantu Rovers’ high-flying under-19 team earned an invite to the Texas event after three years of competitive action without a defeat.
Not only did they hold their own in the tournament — reaching their section’s semi-finals — but four members of that team, including prized asset Nakamba, would end up representing Zimbabwe at Africa Cup of Nations 2019 seven years later.
“It was touch and go, but we got there,” said general manager Wilbert Sibanda.
Grieve, founder and managing partner of private investment company Windy River Group, played a huge part in getting the team over to the States.
He invested in the club and paid for the flights. The Dallas Cup organisers then found host families for the players to stay with during their two weeks in the States, with help from some unpaid volunteers who also assist with management at the club.
“We knew we had a golden generation of talent who deserved the chance to test themselves against other top teams in their age category,” Grieve added. “When I found out about the Dallas Cup — one of the most prestigious youth tournaments in the world — I just had to make it happen for us.
“That said, we had so many problems trying to get the visas because the State Department were concerned that some of the players might not go back. I assured the officials that they would all be returning (which they did) and gave them a personal guarantee.
“It was a wonderful feeling when we got the all-clear. We made a kitbag for all the players with their individual shirts and it felt like Christmas such were the grins on their faces.”
Current England internationals Jesse Lingard and Michael Keane competed in that same 2012 tournament for a Manchester United academy team who ended up as runners-up in its Super Group. Meanwhile, Bantu Rovers impressed in the next category down — especially Nakamba, who has since turned out for Nancy, Dutch club Vitesse Arnhem and now Villa, joining in August from Belgium’s Club Brugge for £12 million.
Sibanda explained further on why that Dallas Cup trip was so special, adding: “We had a squad of just 14 players and they managed to get through five 90-minute games in seven days! Other teams had a full squad. When you factor in the travelling, the change of scenery and the climate, that’s so impressive, because we were the only African team there.
“It was a real eye-opener for the boys but they loved it. The host families who they stayed with also didn’t want them to leave at the end of the tournament. They were telling us how friendly, polite and well-mannered our boys were.
“Obviously for Marv it was so important because he was signed up by Nancy soon after.”
After the tournament, Bantu Rovers ditched their senior team and focused solely on youth development. Students now have a passage into prep schools in New England, USA on scholarships.
“While we always want to develop the next Marvelous, we recognise that only a small minority of our players can pursue this path, so an education does more to ensure a better life for them,” says Grieve.
Three other players from that 2012 team — Teenage Hadebe, Kudakwashe Mahachi and Danny Phiri — all joined Nakamba in turning pro, though, and all four made the Zimbabwe squad for this summer’s Africa Cup of Nations.
Not only have that group found international fame, they also played a part in raising awareness of AIDS and HIV during their younger years back home as part of a link-up with GRS, an adolescent-health organisation that uses football to educate and inspire at-risk youth in developing countries.
During football camps, Nakamba would spend 10 hours a week teaching youngsters how to improve their on-field skills but also explain about HIV in more detail.
Former Zimbabwe captain Methembe Ndlovu, who co-owns Bantu Rovers with Grieve and is also the co-founder of GRS, came up with the idea.
The football drills Nakamba would often be involved in were varied. As an example. coaches (Nakamba and other Bantu Rovers team-mates) set up cones in front of a goal for the players (the young children) to dribble through and then shoot.
Each child would then have to repeat the run with their legs tied to another player and arms also interlocked. The number of players interlocked then increased to three, and then four, and so on…
“It was a drill to drive home the message that the more partners (referring to sexual partners) you have, the more difficult it is to get through life in a clean fashion,” said Grieve. “It certainly works.”
Another drill involves a tennis ball with ‘HIV’ written on it. One player stands in front of the rest of the group who pass the ball between them behind their backs. The middle player can only see the hands moving but has to guess who has the ball.
“The kid in the centre obviously will not know for sure which player is holding the ball,” Grieve continued. “The point that is driven across is that we need to demystify HIV. You cannot tell, just by looking at someone, if they have it, so you have to be aware when getting involved with that person. You also cannot be judgemental of people in the community if they do have HIV, either.
“It’s about helping the community understand and Marv was great at all that.”
Grieve, the man who provides the financial backing, describes business partner Ndlovu as the ‘‘sweat equity partner” and the “heart and soul of Bantu”.
“It was Methembe who decided on the coaching scheme,” Greive added. “He also insisted that fostering education was to be a tenet of our club, so we provide books, school uniforms, as well as school fees for our players.
“It was also his network of coaches, relationships with school administrators, and his renowned role model skills that made him such a great recruiter of talent. He was and still is Marv’s mentor. They are very close.”
Already a superstar in his country, Nakamba is quickly becoming a claret and blue hero, too. Football fans in Zimbabwe gather to watch his games and put rivalries aside — the majority follow Manchester United — to cheer on their nation’s only Premier League representative.
Humble, well-mannered and caring, Nakamba has settled in with ease at Villa. The Athletic understands he sends a large chunk of his wages back home to his mother and he still keeps in touch with the Bantu Rovers officials who helped him on his way.
“Whenever he’s back in Zimbabwe, he will come and see us, smiling, and bringing positive energy,” added Sibanda.
Nakamba is inspiring not only his team, but his nation, and there’s already so much excitement surrounding the next step in his journey.
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Clever way of teaching about HIV!
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I think we have a proper gem on our hands
Already heard mentioned as a hybrid of Kante and Idrissa Gaye - now that really would be a player
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An inspiring article, purple. Thanks for posting
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An inspiring article, purple. Thanks for posting
Glad to share. I took one for the team a couple of pages back for the meaning evil article too, worth a read and may have been been missed amongst all the noise about the chant.
I’m really excited about Marv, you do get the feel of him being a humble big hearted guy and given his background and experiences I’m confident he’s a genuinely good guy and personality to have in the group.
There’s plenty online about him, some nice quotes about how proud his Dad was about his move to us and how the family had never dreamed of seeing Europe, getting out of a one bed house etc.
Crucially for the club it does seem we have some quality recruiting going on, as Hookey says we’ve unearthed a real gem by the look of it. Trying to take the bigger perspective the strength in depth of our midfield and to a degree defence gives me confidence about staying up, hopefully with Grealish further forward too the attack won’t look the weakest link...
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Yeah thanks for sharing this and other articles, much appreciated Purple. Agree he's got huge potential and the scouting system seems to have got their act together.
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He is bloody, well “Marvelous” seriously at Norwich I thought he was very good. Hope his form continues
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Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.
Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing
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Does Marv not play for Zimbabwe anymore ?
I see that they have a game on Sunday
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Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.
Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing
Wasn't the story Dean went to check out Wesley and noticed Marvelous playing a blinder?
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Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.
Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing
Absolutely good point
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Does Marv not play for Zimbabwe anymore ?
I see that they have a game on Sunday
He hasn't played in any of their games since the African Cup of Nations. Not sure why. I think maybe he'll be back in when they have more challenging games (although they weren't far off a shock elimination by Somalia without him).
The end of this article suggests he will be back playing for Zimbabwe in the near future...
https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2019/10/06/nakambas-marvelous-start-aston-villa/amp/
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Given what happened in Bulgaria, I hope our 'fans' who sing that awful song about Marvelous, think twice.
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Given what happened in Bulgaria, I hope our 'fans' who sing that awful song about Marvelous, think twice.
Getting them to think once is hard enough, twice would be a miracle.
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Brilliant read thanks for posting.
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Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
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Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
I bet he's seen a slice of life. Hope he don't get burned!
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Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
I bet he's seen a slice of life. Hope he don't get burned!
Well done.
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It's a good effort but I'd hoped for a few more.
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Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
That's a genuine laugh out loud moment, and after a particularly iffy day that's really welcome. Thank you.
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It's a good effort but I'd hoped for a few more.
have an extra slice on me
(https://i.ibb.co/4pTC4yV/61-kbp-AQR-L-SL1121.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4pTC4yV)
btw our new hero Toaster is a goalie if that helps.
(Denies rumours he has a proclivity to slip his Zambian 4WD into reverse)
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Nakamba was rubbish today. Thankfully Conor came on for him!
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Mostly very poor today.
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Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
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I don't know what's happened in recent weeks. He was excellent when he first came into the team.
Luiz has potential but sometimes overcomplicates things unnecessarily. At one point he had the time to bring the ball under control and lay it off to Jack but instead tried to volley it over a Norwich player to him and ended up losing possession. Brilliant clearance off the line though.
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The 21st Century equivalent of Emment Kapengwe or Freddie Mwille........(ask yer Dads/Grandads)
Who the heck is scouting these duds?
What worries more than anything is - if we go down who on earth will buy all this crap off us?
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I don't know what's happened in recent weeks. He was excellent when he first came into the team.
Luiz has potential but sometimes overcomplicates things unnecessarily. At one point he had the time to bring the ball under control and lay it off to Jack but instead tried to volley it over a Norwich player to him and ended up losing possession. Brilliant clearance off the line though.
But Smith keeps playing players out of form. Nakamba and Wesley don't deserve a starting place at the moment. Smith will probably drop man of the match Kortney Hause for Mings on Saturday! I'd probably agree with shifting Kortney to left-back as Targett was poor and put Tyrone back in at CB ( if fit of course).
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At home in a game we needed to win it was a negative move to play both Nakamba and Luiz over Conor. Thankfully a change was made andm Conor bagged the winner. It was Nakamba's worst game for us by a good distance.
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At home in a game we needed to win it was a negative move to play both Nakamba and Luiz over Conor. Thankfully a change was made andm Conor bagged the winner. It was Nakamba's worst game for us by a good distance.
Don’t disagree but can sort of understand the idea, presuming it was to give a bit more protection to the defence that has looked wide open recently. Unfortunately it wasn’t particularly successful and we lost an attacking player as well, hence Connor making a difference when he came on.
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Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.
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Luiz and nakamba are both poor and probably one of the main reasons why we are shit
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Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.
Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.
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Naka has made two very big errors in the last two games. Southampton’s third goal and today Luiz saved him with goal line clearance. He needs to stop doing that.
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Luiz and nakamba are both poor and probably one of the main reasons why we are shit
Sadly, they both need time to adapt to the PL, as does Wesley, and it is time that we don't have.
This is down to those who do the recruitment. It is all very well saying that they are young with potential and substantial resale value, but we need to stay in the PL.
In passing, look at the players acquired under GH/Sherwood. Many of them are now playing at the top level, but were ineffective for us.
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Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.
Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.
It's a shame we have to play two defensive midfielders. Playing two you get a job shared rather than one taking full responsibility, as Nakamba showed earlier in the season. I like Luiz but he's still struggling to find his role in the team. I feel he's wasted in the DM role, his natural ball skill is very good, he just needs a place to show it. He's one for the future but right now we're a player down when we ask both Nakamba and Luiz to do the same job.
We're carrying far too many players right now, especially out wide so our form should come as no surprise.
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Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.
Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.
It's a shame we have to play two defensive midfielders. Playing two you get a job shared rather than one taking full responsibility, as Nakamba showed earlier in the season. I like Luiz but he's still struggling to find his role in the team. I feel he's wasted in the DM role, his natural ball skill is very good, he just needs a place to show it. He's one for the future but right now we're a player down when we ask both Nakamba and Luiz to do the same job.
We're carrying far too many players right now, especially out wide so our form should come as no surprise.
I agree re Luiz. It’s similar to when we played Connor in the holding role last year, playing an attacking player in the holding role but just because we got away with it in the championship doesn’t mean we will at this level. You can see with Nakamba he specialises in the role and needs clear instruction that he and he only is doing that job of breaking up the play.
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Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.
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Had a stinker yesterday
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Confirmed as a reliable liability at present.
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Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.
I've been saying this since the season started. I'd through Engels, Trez and Guilbert into the mix as well.
All poor players. I'd look at replacing Suso with someone more capable at signing a player with immediate effect.
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Villa could've got Maupay at £2m less than Wesley, yet they deemed Maupay as too expensive!
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Nakamba is the worst and most limited .of Midfielders at the
club. Offers little goal threat and is one footed . Also is the 1st player who kicked out of play by passing than anyone else
I can certainly see that in the Belgian league Nakamba , Wesley and Engels would stand out against inferior opposition. The scouting was floored in as much as the league .
Suso must have a Belgian love interest or enjoy the chocolates to be going out there and funding Club Brugge with untold riches in transfer fees.
Unbelievable
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Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.
At least Douglas Luiz has some pedigree and ability.
Nakamba should never have started .
Doesn't offer a goal threat
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Currently he does and that's the problem.
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I like the idea of a Nakamba, a ball winning midfielder - I think he's badly out of form, and the mistakes show that - however, when he leaves his central position to chase the ball down, one of the other midfielders need to have the brains to drop into the hole...
I haven't worked out the better 3 for us in the middle.... McGinn, Grealish and another?
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I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper. At the moment it’s a bit of a dogs breakfast but I like Nakamba, he’s been the best of the out field signings for me.
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I thought he looked like a pissed up fan who had got on the pitch yesterday.
Absolutely rubbish.
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I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.
If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
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I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.
If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
I don’t agree, Luiz is a superior player technically and can pick passes, Nakamba watches the ball too much. If they were both playing at a level they are, or could be, capable of, I think Nakamba playing an energetic disruptor further up the field would be the best use of our resources and would lessen the risk of him missing runners when we are in our own third. .
As it is, I’m pretty convinced it’s too soon to have both them, and others, in the team and stay up
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I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.
If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
I don’t agree, Luiz is a superior player technically and can pick passes, Nakamba watches the ball too much. If they were both playing at a level they are, or could be, capable of, I think Nakamba playing an energetic disruptor further up the field would be the best use of our resources and would lessen the risk of him missing runners when we are in our own third. .
As it is, I’m pretty convinced it’s too soon to have both them, and others, in the team and stay up
I'd prefer players in their best positions; Nakamba breaking up play and playing a simple ball to Luiz to "pick passes" rather than see him further up the pitch and 'trying' to pick passes. Add to that, Luiz is hardly the defensive midfielder to break up play. It's a bit difficult for him to "pick passes" without the ball. Whether we can play both right now is not really a decision we can make, what with SJM out for the next few months.
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After a few days of over indulgence I’m not sure if we are disagreeing or not here. I agree with DS, have Nakamba winning the ball up the field, pass it wide and get it in the box.
If he’s winning it in our third, his lack of technical ability means he’s more likely to lose it during the opposition press.
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Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential. Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have
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His technique looked great the first couple of games.
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Villa could've got Maupay at £2m less than Wesley, yet they deemed Maupay as too expensive!
Just to clarify we deemed Maupay too expensive having bought Wesley. Brentford stuck to a reportedly higher price than what they eventually sold him for at the start of the window. Which is absolutely their right. We went out and bought Wesley. We were still in for him at the end but having lashed out the better part of £140m the manager who knew the player as well as anyone deemed Maupay was a bit too pricey given the investments made in the summer.
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Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential. Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have
Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking average
Hope he improves
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Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential. Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have
Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking average
Hope he improves
Holding midfielders aren't meant to provide a goal threat
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Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential. Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have
Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking average
Hope he improves
Holding midfielders aren't meant to provide a goal threat
A goal threat to the opposition
Exactly .
And what I mean is actually a creative goal threat in building play. looks too limited for my football tastes. Another signing imposed upon Smith. Isn't a Deano type footballer.
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Why Luiz over Nkamba? Oh yeah, to maintain his work permit for Man City
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Luiz is clearly talented, Nakamba I’m not sure now.
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Nakamba is struggling, there's no doubt. He needs a bit of good coaching to. Build his confidence and get him up to speed. Drinkwater coming in will help.
He also needs a song so he can see he's got our support.
La Bamba....
Oh Marvelous Nakamba,
Oh Marvelous Nakamba,
He comes from Zimbabwe, from Zimbabwe, from. Zimbabwe,
And he now plays for the Villa,
Yes he plays for the Villa,
Or something...
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I think he and Douglas are struggling. It's the pace of the league, the non-stop frenetic action in the middle. He came in and was really up for it. You make an error and you shake it off but obviously we've come through a shit tonne of games now and tiredness is also factoring in and poor results don't help confidence and he's look overwhelmed as much as anything. It's like dealing with a toddler. The morning you think you're keeping up, there's some errors but you're not far off. By the evening they're still at you and you're rocking yourself in a dark corner mumbling 'the horror, the horror.' . I think Nakamba will be a good player but for our position right now, you need a been there done that kind of a player and Nakamba needs a spell on the bench.
This rings true even more so with Douglas, the difference is though, I just don't know, and mayb even the player himself, what type of midfielder he's supposed to be. Where should he play? Nakamba has a placing and in the end I see him coming good (I don't want us to watch on as he thrives elsewhere ala Idrissa and Veretout). If Douglas is gonna sit deep and be a DMF he needs to get stronger and work on his positional play and defensive attributes.
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I think he and Douglas are struggling. It's the pace of the league, the non-stop frenetic action in the middle. He came in and was really up for it. You make an error and you shake it off but obviously we've come through a shit tonne of games now and tiredness is also factoring in and poor results don't help confidence and he's look overwhelmed as much as anything. It's like dealing with a toddler. The morning you think you're keeping up, there's some errors but you're not far off. By the evening they're still at you and you're rocking yourself in a dark corner mumbling 'the horror, the horror.' . I think Nakamba will be a good player but for our position right now, you need a been there done that kind of a player and Nakamba needs a spell on the bench.
This rings true even more so with Douglas, the difference is though, I just don't know, and mayb even the player himself, what type of midfielder he's supposed to be. Where should he play? Nakamba has a placing and in the end I see him coming good (I don't want us to watch on as he thrives elsewhere ala Idrissa and Veretout). If Douglas is gonna sit deep and be a DMF he needs to get stronger and work on his positional play and defensive attributes.
Nailed it. I like both of them but their positional play at times is pretty woeful and we still look soft centred a lot of the time. 3 centre backs has helped a lot as there's one more body in the middle, which means a centre back can step out or play sweeper, almost creating 2 more lines behind the midfield
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They fall into the Wesley/Targett category for me, there are signs that they can all be decent PL players but all new to the club, each other and the PL all together at the same time means they're struggling. Nakamba is the most surprising though because he did seem to hit the ground running and looked well suited to the PL, now he looks a tad off the pace and keeps giving the ball away.
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I think both players need some time out to work on their fitness and decision making. Unfortunately given our league position and injury list that isn’t going to happen.
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They fall into the Wesley/Targett category for me, there are signs that they can all be decent PL players but all new to the club, each other and the PL all together at the same time means they're struggling. Nakamba is the most surprising though because he did seem to hit the ground running and looked well suited to the PL, now he looks a tad off the pace and keeps giving the ball away.
In his first few games he looked really lively, now it looks as if he is pulling a train and can't get near opponents. Failing to even attempt a tackle v Knockaert as a prime example. Confidence on the ball is shot to pieces too. Maybe a spell out of the team would help but we don't have another player capable of attempting a holding midfield role in the squad.
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I've got more patience with Luiz, because although you can see he has talent, Smith doesn't seem certain how to best utilise that ability on the ball. With Nakamba his job is relatively easy to understand. Break up attacks, win the ball back, then pass the ball to a team mate. He started off quite brightly, but has been poor of late, and was woeful last night.
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Thought he had a mixed night last night to say the least, he's dropped off in the past few weeks after a promising start. But I'd be wary of writing him off as it does remind me of the foreign bought lads from 2015 who would now all walk into our team right.
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It reminds me very much of 2015. There's ability there, but players need time to settle. I know that's not something we're blessed with right now, but I think they'll mostly look a lot improved next season...if we survive.
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Touch wood though, we don't have the bad atmosphere in the squad that we supposedly had in 15-16.
Talking of Luiz best position, for me it's in the attacking half, he's too casual and lightweight to play in a defensive role. I felt this pretty much from the first time i saw him play, he's really in competition with Hourahane and should be used when we're expected to be on the front foot. Now that McGinn is injured and Nakamba is out of form we're really struggling for midfielders to protect the defense. As far as i'm aware, if by some miracle Drinkwater performs for us i don't think he's that type of player either.
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To be fair to him he is brilliant at breaking up and stopping attacks. They're all our attacks but still.
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To be fair to him he is brilliant at breaking up and stopping attacks. They're all our attacks but still.
Ha ha
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Drinkwater may provide the opportunity to rest Nakamba and Luis more regularly. Currently they’re nailed on starters and carry a lot of responsibility which is unfair at this stage of their development.
In a parallel world, do you think we would be better off if we had just signed the chap from Leeds rather than two guys with potential (plus maybe £5m)?
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Marv is shite. Someone has to be truly honest and say it like it is.
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How about he’s just a young player having tough time of it as he continues to adjust to the league and as teams scout his weaknesses. Much like many rashly (including me) wrote Veretout, Adama, Gueye etc off. Doesn’t make him shit at all.
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How about he’s just a young player having tough time of it as he continues to adjust to the league and as teams scout his weaknesses. Much like many rashly (including me) wrote Veretout, Adama, Gueye etc off. Doesn’t make him shit at all.
he reminds me more of Reo-Coker than Gueye.
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Suffering a crisis of confidence.
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Marv is shite. Someone has to be truly honest and say it like it is.
THere is some shittery about him but I think he will come good. At the moment the team has over-relied on him somewhat: DD's arrival should allow him to learn and also be taken out of the firing line.
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He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
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He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
It's not working at all well, which is why they were pretty much being rotated when McGinn was fit. I expect Nakamba will be the one dropped tomorrow for Drinkwater.
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He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
Luiz is a box-to-box player, not a MF enforcer. Both he and Nakamba have been error-prone and will probably not become more reliable until they've had a full 12 months around a Premier League club.
It was an obvious flaw in the summer's squad-building strategy not to mix the Premier-League newbies with some more experienced players. Probably should have kept Whelan for another 12 months, for example.
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He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
Luiz is a box-to-box player, not a MF enforcer. Both he and Nakamba have been error-prone and will probably not become more reliable until they've had a full 12 months around a Premier League club.
It was an obvious flaw in the summer's squad-building strategy not to mix the Premier-League newbies with some more experienced players. Probably should have kept Whelan for another 12 months, for example.
Whelan got released from Hearts recently, so I highly doubt he could have had any impact in the PL.
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Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in.
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Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in.
Eh we signed him in January 2019 then?
He looked neat and tidy early on without ever wowing me. Too easy for players to break past him was a concern and now his passing has completely gone to pot.
In an ideal world 4-5 games out to refocus. Mings had to miss that amount through injury and he's come back like his old self so players sometimes need that time out to get going again.
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Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in.
Eh we signed him in January 2019 then?
He looked neat and tidy early on without ever wowing me. Too easy for players to break past him was a concern and now his passing has completely gone to pot.
In an ideal world 4-5 games out to refocus. Mings had to miss that amount through injury and he's come back like his old self so players sometimes need that time out to get going again.
AVH87 seemed to suggest they needed 12 months
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Excellent tonight. Needs to maintain these levels now through to the end of the season. Not sure what happened to him in the middle of the season but that was the player we were seeing earlier in the season.
Why you would play 2 in the centre when 1 is trying to get up to speed, I don't know. It's just as well Nakamba did play so well and then the Luiz substitution improved us. I would rather we played 3-5-2 and be stronger in the centre than playing 3-4-3.
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Best game for weeks. I thought their 3 big strong center mids would dominate but Nakamba was easily the pick of them.
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More like the Nakamba from earlier in the season. If we can get a few of them back to form we'll be fine.
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Lived up to his name last night, best game for ages
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I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez
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Woeful player. Really don’t know what any one can see if him because he’s struggling to be a footballer of any outstanding qualities. A complete liability of the pitch most of the time, and one of the reasons why our midfield is so piss poor and defence concedes so many shots.
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Woeful player. Really don’t know what any one can see if him because he’s struggling to be a footballer of any outstanding qualities. A complete liability of the pitch most of the time, and one of the reasons why our midfield is so piss poor and defence concedes so many shots.
Played really well when he first came in, and every so often shows he can play well. Like El Ghazi and Luiz he has shown fleeting glimpses of talent.
Trez, Wesley, Drinkwater and Target are the players I see no redeeming qualities or potential in.
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I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez
Carlos Sanchez is the worst player I've ever seen play for us. And I saw...no, I can't think of one who was so bad that they ought to be included in such company.
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I was actually going to say that he reminds me of Carlos Sanchez...very similar in so far as he looks completely lost out there on the pitch, completely out of his depth, and not sure what he’s supposed to be doing or where he’s supposed to be.
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He often gets overrun in tight possession and looks somewhat bewildered when he gets his head up and time on the ball. I really can’t decide if I think he’ll come good or not.
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Confidence looks shot, trying to play a role he is not suited/ good enough.
Weak on the ball.
Another hologram.
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Like Luiz, given a full close-season, I think he'll come good.
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They may well both come good, but I'm yet to be convinced that will be in the same starting 11.
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He’s not that bad. He is massively inconsistent like a lot of our players and, like pretty much all of our midfield currently, he is some strengths but also some glaring weaknesses in his game.
Playing for a bottom third Premier League team is probably his level though.
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I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez
Carlos Sanchez is the worst player I've ever seen play for us. And I saw...no, I can't think of one who was so bad that they ought to be included in such company.
He was awful, but I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Tonev. Almost as far as you'd have to go to retrieve one of his shots.
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Sanchez played a 50 yd cross field pass in his first game that made me think we'd got a really good player. Ah well.
I think a lot of our players just need to play with some good steady players. Unfortunately, we don't have that yet. It's very reminiscent of Gueye etc coming in.
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Sanchez played a 50 yd cross field pass in his first game that made me think we'd got a really good player. Ah well.
I think a lot of our players just need to play with some good steady players. Unfortunately, we don't have that yet. It's very reminiscent of Gueye etc coming in.
His very first touch, I think, Sanchez' mega ball.
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Thought Nakamba was brilliant tonight. Did all the dull things well, dropped back in when needed, covered for Mings when he pushed forward. Up there for man of the match.
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Thought Nakamba was brilliant tonight. Did all the dull things well, dropped back in when needed, covered for Mings when he pushed forward. Up there for man of the match.
Yep don’t think he gave it away once , I was impressed
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Really good tonight, did all the simple things well and let Luiz get forward. V pleasing.
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Played well tonight, in a team with ball players like Jack, Barkley, Luiz etc, all he needs to do is win the ball and keep it simple.
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Can’t remember a misplaced pass from him tonight.
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Did very well.
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He was brilliant tonight. Quick, incisive passing and nearly always goal side to slow down their attacks.
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Superb tonight. He never put a foot wrong and got Luiz and Mings out of trouble a few times.
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I thought this was his most impressive performance.As saunders heroes pointed out not a misplaced pass,last year I was a nervous wreck when he received the ball near our penalty area.
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Had a great game. Nothing sloppy about him tonight.
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Cam in and did his job very well, I've been a critic but fair play to the lad he did well.
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A nod from me too, played well and knitted things together nicely.
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Can't remember him putting a foot wrong.
Perfect performance.
Well done Marvelous!
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Marvelous Nakamba misplaced just one of his 65 passes against Newcastle.
🎯 64/65 Passes Completed
📊 98.5% Pass Accuracy
He also made more ball recoveries than any other Aston Villa player (8).
| #AVFC | #AVLNEW | @AVFC | https://t.co/WPAUpdXwKk
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Very impressed.
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I thought he was marvellous 😬
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Another of the Class of '19 who has come on leaps & bounds this season.
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Doug had an off night by his standards but MV really stepped into the breach. A real top notch 'no. 6' (in my head it should be a no. 4) display.
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Being well coached.
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Makes you wonder where Morgan Sanson will fit in? The more the merrier though.
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Doug had an off night by his standards but MV really stepped into the breach. A real top notch 'no. 6' (in my head it should be a no. 4) display.
Agree Monty. Did really well considering he hasn’t featured much so far.
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The difference tonight to some of his performances last year was the discipline in his game. He held his position and concentrated on being the spare man in there. Newcastle not having anyone capable of playing as a 10 meant he had no direct opponent and what was really impressive is that he didn't let that alter how he played. Last season he was a bit of a headless chicken chasing after the ball and getting caught out of position regularly.
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He was absolutely excellent tonight.
Didn't put a foot wrong and moved the ball around very nicely.
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66/67 pass completion ain’t too shabby.
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He played well today.
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He played well today.
He certainly did. Twice he’s come in and performed very solidly for us. Great to see!
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Well played Marvelous. Good game again today!
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Did well today. Douglas will always be first choice, but it’s great that Marv can come in and do a job.
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I didn't see the game today but I thought he was exceptional against Newcastle. Flawless performance
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Well played Marvelous. Good game again today!
Absolutely. I thought he did a job today. Our midfield isn't physical but he will put his foot in and break things up. I like that.
His last two full appearances and two wins. Clearly down to very much else but I like Marvelous.
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It’s critical that squad players can come in and do a job. It’s equally important Dean sees that squad players can do that. He’s done really well in his last two starts.
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I thought he went missing in the second half.
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Really mature performance from him today. Considering he was booked before half time, never really felt like he was walking a tightrope. Big step up from last season.
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Really mature performance from him today. Considering he was booked before half time, never really felt like he was walking a tightrope. Big step up from last season.
Given that the ref was quite trigger-happy with his cards, I was worried and thought we should have subbed Marv at halftime. That said, he did pretty well and has improved significantly since last season.
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I thought he went missing in the second half.
Agreed, and he couldn't get close to their runners in the first half. Tries hard but his second touch tends to be a tackle. Anyway no harm for Luiz to sit out a game or two.
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Yeah, he's...grand but can't see him ever being more than back-up.
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Yeah, he's...grand but can't see him ever being more than back-up.
Yeah, that's my thoughts too. I think he's valuable as a squad player and I'd not be looking to get rid of him in the immediate future. I think we need a player like him who can just keep things simple, break up the opposition attacks and play it away safely. Longer term we'd maybe need an upgrade but certainly until we're playing in Europe I think he's ... well, Marvellous.
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We haven’t conceded a goal with Marv on the pitch this season (7 appearances).
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He played against Stoke when we conceded
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He played against Stoke when we conceded
Whoops! PL?
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I think he still tackles and breaks up play better than Doug , but obviously isn’t as creative
Maybe in a better team now they can be incorporated together
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I thought Marvelous was well err marvelous against Leeds, broke up the play so many times he definitely deserves to keep his place for the next game.
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Thought that was his best game for us, read things masterfully.
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He played well.
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Very good. That positioning and foul he won off Raphina was great.
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Pleased for him, thought he was a tad unlucky to lose his place last time.
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Marvellous
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Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.
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Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.
I thought his passing has improved keeps it simple
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Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.
Haha if he did that he'd be playing at Bayern. But yes, soemthing to work on for sure and that's why we have him. Still very young and lots of room to grow and improve. And right now playing better in that role than Doug. A very good problem to have.
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I love him.
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Superb. A player that gets right in your face and is like an annoying gnat that won't go away.
He starts the next match for me.
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I love him.
Just wish he could pass
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Yes must start the next few games. Just does exactly what he needs to do.
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I’d be thinking Sanson and Nakamba and McGinn and Jack.
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Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.
Haha if he did that he'd be playing at Bayern. But yes, soemthing to work on for sure and that's why we have him. Still very young and lots of room to grow and improve. And right now playing better in that role than Doug. A very good problem to have.
He's 27, and entering his peak now. Not exactly 'very young' That's not to say he didn't play brilliantly today, but I don't see him improving as a player as much as some of the younger ones have during their first 18 months in the premier league. Every player of any age can get better, obviously, but with Marvellous, I think what we saw today is the player he can be for us, and to hope for too much more is unfair on him.
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I've not been his biggest fan but very good again today. Would be unlucky to lose his place on Weds.
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Yet again - Marvelous
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375 minutes of Prem football, 0 goals conceded.
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My motm today. Has to start Wednesday
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His distribution is sometimes poor but you can see the improvement from last season.
Did his job today. Excellent
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Must start on Wednesday. Unequivocally.
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I was totally wrong about him. If you have somebody who can play that role as effectively as he does you need to be playing him, particularly against good teams.
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One of his pink boots keeps getting a toe poke in to take the ball away from danger. Wonderful colours in action.
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I was totally wrong about him. If you have somebody who can play that role as effectively as he does you need to be playing him, particularly against good teams.
I completely agree, I also had my doubts at times
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I think I’m correct in saying we’ve not conceded a PL goal with him on the pitch this season.
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I think that sitting in front of the centre halves is made for him and he doesn’t get distracted. Doug cam play there but can also play further forward so sometimes loses focus
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Great shift again from Marv tonight. The midfield needed all the energy it could get tonight.
It’s up to Douggie to improve and get back in the team for me.
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I think we need to try the Luiz + Marvelous base to our midfield. Then give McGinn (and Luiz) more freedom.
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Great shift again from Marv tonight. The midfield needed all the energy it could get tonight.
It’s up to Douggie to improve and get back in the team for me.
I don’t think Luiz is a DM, so lots of opportunities for him to play with or with Marvelous
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He had extendable legs tonight. Bloody marvellous
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I wasn’t a fan of his because most his previous performances weren’t brilliant.
He was either not wanting the ball and invisible or when he got stuck in didn’t do well. He did have a few halves of games where he was okay.
But this evening he seemed to be two seconds quicker to every challenge because you could see him reading the game.
Let’s hope he can do this more often because as tonight shows Dean & Co need all the options available to be able to rotate a good team.
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Struggled last season, but not put a foot wrong this year with limited minutes. Has earned more. Keep it up my man.
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Should stay in the side after that performance. Like others, I had my doubts but he has grown into it and has played well so far. Offers much more physicality than Douglas too.
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Douglas is a brilliant player. Marv is a different type of player, good time see him play a blinder tonight.
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A great performance from Marv versus dirty Leeds. Held his position well and supported the 2 cbs brilliantly. If Marv had played against Leicester maddison would not have had the freedom of VP especially in that 1st half. Keep up the good work Marv!
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He is the best player in the squad for snapping into tackles and breaking up play. I don't even think it is purely about his physical presence. I think it can be about the opponent knowing that they are going to get tackled and then changing what they do and maybe losing some confidence.
We can be a little easy to play through at times. If you give good players time then they will hurt you. Snap into them and they make mistakes.
I'd have Marv in my team every week.
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Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.
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Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.
True. Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything. This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player. I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.
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Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.
True. Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything. This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player. I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.
He had a run of games when he came into the side last season where he looked good, but then dropped off.
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He appears to have benefitted from some time out and some coaching. He looks fitter, is thinking more clearly (far fewer needless fouls) and is playing sensible balls into colleagues.
Credit to him for the improvement.
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He's got a lovely smile, too.
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Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.
True. Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything. This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player. I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.
He had a run of games when he came into the side last season where he looked good, but then dropped off.
Yes, I think it was the 'must win' game against Watford when he was immense. Seemed to be everywhere and I thought he'd cracked it, but he couldn't keep that level of performance up.
If we can sign a DMC with most of his attributes but can pass forward for next season we'll improve straight away (easier said that done).
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I've always liked him, we've just struggled a bit at times when he's been in the team.
He could play in that defensive role and have Luiz in front with McGinn or Sanson, Ramsay or... well haven't we got a lot of choice all of a sudden?!
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
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i like him and always thought he'd get better when he adjusted more to the premier league in his second season
however i see him as a man to do a specific job against different sides
against Leeds it worked a treat because he was a pest broke up play and stopped them playing there high energy type game
i'm not sure we need that sort of player against Sheff utd
someone to stop them playing is not going to be necessary as much as someone to break them down
luiz is a class player,
and against Sheff utd i would put him back in, with Sanson or Ramsey
we will need that extra threat and passing skills more than someone running around blocking play
horses for courses as they say
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!
It’s a bit of a viscous circle
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!
It’s a bit of a viscous circle
I don't think it is. There is a different expectation on Marv, compared to, say, Barkley. I know what Risso is saying, there was one passage of play in the second half where he broke the line of their midfield (not really his job, but where he found himself) and he passed it straight out of play about five yards behind Anwar on the left touchline. Clearly that's because he's not the sort of player who generally breaks lines plays passes into the final third, so I can forgive him that. If his 10-15 yard passing accuracy was a touch better he'd be a top-class defensive midfielder. I'm not going to pick him up for not being too accomplished in the attacking third.
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!
It’s a bit of a viscous circle
Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!
It’s a bit of a viscous circle
Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?
That was the Baseball Ground in the seventies.
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He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!
It’s a bit of a viscous circle
Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?
Ha ha, didn’t notice that. Flippin auto spell 😂
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Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
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Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
The midfield was a shambles, no shape and Liverpool passed straight through us, Nakamba was the only one holding position and did win the ball a few times. Not sure all the blame is with him.
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Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
The midfield was a shambles, no shape and Liverpool passed straight through us, Nakamba was the only one holding position and did win the ball a few times. Not sure all the blame is with him.
Certainly the other two aren't blameless but they improved a lot when Nakamba went off. He didn't cover, press or pass particularly well. He was lost in truth.
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Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
Thought he was miles better than Luiz. And did McGinn play today?
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Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
Thought he was miles better than Luiz. And did McGinn play today?
Luiz had a very good second half I thought. McGinn, poor for sure. Assist aside, nearly every other pass hit a red shirt.
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top bloke.
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Yep, that’s an brilliant thing to do. Well done.
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Class from Nakamba!
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A great Christian act from a dedicated and professional Christian in sport.
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He's just a nice guy who's doing good things, it's irrelevant what religion, if any, he is.
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Read about this yesterday, lovely thing to do. Well done Marv.
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Lovely thing to do. Top man.
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He's just a nice guy who's doing good things, it's irrelevant what religion, if any, he is.
He might not see it that way, if he is.
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It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.
I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.
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It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.
I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.
I disagree with the first bit. The difference between them, in my opinion, is that the better the team is playing the better Luiz looks and vice versa for Nakamba. I have nothing againstnakamba but he's the sort of player you need in the team if you're regularly being overrun, when you're controlling the game he offers nothing.
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... the better the team is playing the better Luiz looks and vice versa for Nakamba. I have nothing against nakamba but he's the sort of player you need in the team if you're regularly being overrun, when you're controlling the game he offers nothing.
I'd put this rather differently: when Nakamba plays, he seems to free up the midfielders ahead of him, to have a freer / more offensive role. Luiz - whom I like alot - is perhaps less disciplined at covering the defence.
As with other players, I've argued recently that the last 10 games of the season should have been a time for experimenting with personnel and set-ups, but we're not really seeing that; an opportunity missed, maybe.
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It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.
I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.
Luiz hasn't had a great season, though I thought he had a good second half at Liverpool, but the level of his performances last season post restart were at a level Nakamba can only dream of.
Nakamba is certainly a likeable sort but he is a long way short of what we need I think. Luiz is capable of taking the ball from the back (though needs to start doing a lot more of it), Nakamba with his limitations isn't unfortunately.
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I think Nakamba will be playing Wednesday v Man City makes sense to have him in a disruptive and combative influence in the middle
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I think Nakamba will be playing Wednesday v Man City makes sense to have him in a disruptive and combative influence in the middle
This is not the player I recognise.
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Marv is too careless on the ball, he frequently makes poor mistakes even when attempting fairly simple passes. I don’t know if that’s because he plays so few games, or he plays so few games because of this failing. But he rarely has a good game.
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So... looked much better in the last two games. As with some of our other signings looking much more comfortable in the PL now. Is he a keeper? Or, was this just a flash in the pan?
I think there's enough there to at least give him another season. McGinn obviously relishes
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MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
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MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
That's a good point.
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He's SO good when we're under pressure, I lost count today the number of times he won the ball, got an interception or a toe on the ball to prevent Chelsea making progress - we definitely look a more solid defensive unit when he plays.
If he was a bit better on the ball he'd easily be a £50m player, which is probably why he doesn't make the first-11 in games where we're likely to spend more time on the front foot.
I like him a lot, and he definitely has a part to play in our squad next season (unless we can find the money to replace him with someone who can do what he does AND has composure when in possession - which is a big ask)
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MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
That's exactly what I've been thinking this afternoon.
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MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
That highlights the need for a quality defensive midfielder in summer.
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Done well the last couple of games, i suspect we will be spending heavily in the Summer on a Nakamba/Luiz hybrid.
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The last day of his second season and he finally emulated Nigel Reo Coker. Marvellous.
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Brilliant today .It would have to be a very good player to replace him.
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At his best today.
Excellent
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Done well the last couple of games, i suspect we will be spending heavily in the Summer on a Nakamba/Luiz hybrid.
Edouard Camavinga. He's apparently told Arsenal no because he wants European football, but really it's because they're shite and he's too polite to say.
£50m should get it done.
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MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
That highlights the need for a quality defensive midfielder in summer.
THIS, ALL DAY LONG!! Marvellous had a great game today and might yet become that player but this is the area to be addressed first for me.
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Marvellous Nakamba is a brilliant back up to a proper DM. I don’t think that is Doug’s best position but he’s done some unheralded work in making our defence what it has become. But we saw in the first season he can get forward and score some screamers. His challenge now having lost that DM position in the last two games is to become an effective CM.
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He played well today.
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He was actully Marvelous.
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Of all our CMs, Marvelous is the only one who is clearly good at a specific role (stopper/water-carrier). All the others are half-decent at various bits of a midfielder's game but without one particularly strong suit. Maybe as good a reason to keep him as any.
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He was acatully Marvelous.
It takes a great deal of ability to quote yourself and still make spelling mistakes. Well done.
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Of all our CMs, Marvelous is the only one who is clearly good at a specific role (stopper/water-carrier). All the others are half-decent at various bits of a midfielder's game but without one particularly strong suit. Maybe as good a reason to keep him as any.
Had a decent game today but overall he's not really good enough. The centre of midfield is an area that needs addressing in the summer. We need more strength, passing, pace and goal threat.
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He was acatully Marvelous.
It takes a great deal of ability to quote yourself and still make spelling mistakes. Well done.
Alcohol had been consumed.
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He had a great game yesterday
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Interesting how much game time Marv will have this season
There has been recent talk that Everton and Crystal Palace want to sign him.
In January the African nations is taking place in Cameroon so both Nakamba would like a sufficient match time but also his absence has to be noted for his specialist position and cover in the team
Made 13 league matches last season and we won 9.
One at this time to keep for me as a useful squad player who be used in certain matches
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Good stat Footy. But I agree with Risso, if we can get someone with more consistency and keep Marv to continue improving, rather than sell him to Palace or Everton, that would be my preference.
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Marv appears to be making steady progress, perhaps it's down to a combination of being settled, good coaching and awareness of what Premier League football is all about. I'd definitely keep him.
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I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
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Marv appears to be making steady progress, perhaps it's down to a combination of being settled, good coaching and awareness of what Premier League football is all about. I'd definitely keep him.
I agree with you, Dave.
Albeit a friendly, yesterday he played well and his passing was pretty reasonable. Definitely continuing to improve.
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Perhaps the key with Marv is the fewer games he plays, the less consistency is an issue. Over 38, you might see a drop off in form for a good 30%, which is a significant chunk. But when he's playing 15-20 games and with specific plans in place, it might be easier to achieve that consistency.
His biggest weakness is moving the ball on quickly and efficiently.
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I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
He’s no Ron Burgandy.
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I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
He’s no Ron Burgandy.
Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books
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Best player on the park yesterday. He has clearly learned and has stepped up a level and might well save us a lot of money
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I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
He’s no Ron Burgandy.
Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books
Andrew Greaves! Stuff of H&V folklore!
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Marv will be vital in the early part of the season when Doug is still recovering from the Summer's exertions and it's great to see he's carried on the form he ended last season with. One to watch for sure.
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Marv will be vital in the early part of the season when Doug is still recovering from the Summer's exertions and it's great to see he's carried on the form he ended last season with. One to watch for sure.
He’s done enough in his fleeting appearances to be given chance. From the start of the season until, say, october he should be given the opportunity to prove himself. It’d give Luiz a proper rest too.
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I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
He’s no Ron Burgandy.
Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books
God what have I done!
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Far from marvelous.
Thought he been atrocious in his ball control and passing ..way off standard required
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Petrov he isn't.
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Today is the sort of game that shows up his weaknesses, doesn't read the game well enough to cut things off so he spends long periods chasing shadows. A couple of really poor passes when he had time to pick his spot as well.
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Yep, if anybody needed any more reminders that this guy isn't up to it, hopefully today showed just how limited he really is.
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Not his best game in a Villa shirt, but I've seen him play worse.
There are other players (and coaches) I would blame ahead of him today.
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Luiz is simply a much better DM for me even if he has his flaws (given he's 22).
Not ideal but I'd be calling him off holiday early next week. Richarlison played and scored for Everton today.
Andrew Greaves better than Nakamba aswell....
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Marvellous is a liability.
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Not his best game in a Villa shirt, but I've seen him play worse.
That's not exactly a glowing recommendation!
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Showed exactly why he’s not good enough to be any more than a squad filler. His use of the ball is consistently well below the required standard.
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Today he was Moribund Nakamba.
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I've never seen a player have so many attempts at a first touch.
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If Everton and Crystal Palace still want him. I volunteer to do the transport.
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I have genuinly never taken to him, miles off what we need, cant pass, press or tackle to a standard that we need. If the Everton interest is genuine and we can get anywhere near our money book then I'd be all over that if I was Purslow.
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I have genuinly never taken to him, miles off what we need, cant pass, press or tackle to a standard that we need. If the Everton interest is genuine and we can get anywhere near our money book then I'd be all over that if I was Purslow.
You rate him higher than I do.
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If Everton and Crystal Palace still want him. I volunteer to do the transport.
Problem is who would have played instead today that would have been an improvement? Sanson, Ramsey, Luiz and McGinn are the other options and they are all worse DM players than Nakamba. Granted they are all better players too, but not for that role.
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You're quite right Ashton, we don't have anyone else and that is part of the same problem. We have players coming back but they are no more defensive than Nakamba. We need to buy a couple. Even if we have to use AEG and others in swap deals or to raise money. What gets me is that we can all see it, but the Villa staff can't. Opposition managers see it and use it against us.
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I've never seen a player have so many attempts at a first touch.
Nigel Reo-Choker ?
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Wank again from him, I don't see what anyone see's in him. So limited as a footballer.
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He's neat and tidy at times, but lacks the consistency and physicality for this league.
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He wins the ball sometimes, but he can't keep, carry or distribute it.
His passing is suicidal. Squad option at best.
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If you’re genuinely aiming for European places then Nakamba cannot be anywhere near the starting line up, horribly limited player.
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He'll always have Spurs away May 2021 as a high-point. Harry's last home game at Tottenham too, they can both meet for a pint and a reminisce in 2040.
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The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.
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The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.
Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.
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The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.
Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.
I don't agree that Nakamba is nearly really good. He's barely adequate and looks distinctly Championship standard. I do agree about the superhuman midfielder being needed though. Get somebody brilliant in that position and it really does make a huge difference all over the pitch.
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The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.
Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.
I don't agree that Nakamba is nearly really good. He's barely adequate and looks distinctly Championship standard. I do agree about the superhuman midfielder being needed though. Get somebody brilliant in that position and it really does make a huge difference all over the pitch.
I disagree with your disagreement! He did some good things yesterday - his run and through ball to Ings was sublime, for example, and he was one of the few players in that abysmal first half who kept showing up. But you never really feel like you can trust him for 90 minutes.
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He can be brilliant but he's inconsistent.
I'm sure that Smith, Lange et al can see it but want the right man in to that space. There aren't a lot of them around right now.
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Labouring the point, I know but was it Marvelous who misplaced a square pass just 5 minutes into the second half causing Steer's only serious save? They only replayed the save.
A better team than Barrow would have punished that.
Really got to cut it out or it will cost us vital PL points.
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For me he was the only player who disappointed. His passing was woeful at times. I have massive concerns that if luiz gets injured nakamba would be the replacement.
If Everton runours are true id happily let him go if we get a replacement in
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Labouring the point, I know but was it Marvelous who misplaced a square pass just 5 minutes into the second half causing Steer's only serious save? They only replayed the save.
A better team than Barrow would have punished that.
Really got to cut it out or it will cost us vital PL points.
No, that was Hourihane.
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I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
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I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
Lindley has been excellent for the youf as a DMF, I believe. Not sure he's quite up to it yet, though.
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All of the youngsters looked more comfortable on the ball than him last night. He's got useful qualities in terms of winning the ball, but he never looks truly at home in possession. As I've seen said here before, he's better when we're playing better sides and role is simplified to just stopping the opposition.
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Yeah, people moan that we need someone to break up play. Nakamba does that better than any of our other players and gets moaned at for not being Lothar Matthaus in possession. He still has an important role to play this season and, unless we bring at least one player in, I'd be reluctant to let him leave.
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When your first touch is to win the ball back but your second is to misplace your pass and give it back to them an an even worse position (consistently and repeatedly) then his role isn’t of much significance. We need to 2 more in midfield so we have options alongside Luiz…Nakamba shouldn’t be one of them.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
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All of the youngsters looked more comfortable on the ball than him last night. He's got useful qualities in terms of winning the ball, but he never looks truly at home in possession. As I've seen said here before, he's better when we're playing better sides and role is simplified to just stopping the opposition.
perhaps he saw his role as a more senior member of the team and did not have the same confidence in his younger teammates as he has in his more experienced ones. This meant he was falling between two stools.
When he does the simple stuff he does it ok, not so much when it's a bit more complex.
He will now realise that the kids have the skills and potential and that he can get on with doing the things he knows best.
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I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
Lindley has been excellent for the youf as a DMF, I believe. Not sure he's quite up to it yet, though.
Yes but he needs to develop physically, reminds me of a very young Sid
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He's just not good enough, either as a starter or as back up, for where we want to be. The players who do start in the DCM positions, aren't really good enough at it as it's not their natural game, so to repeat a common comment on here, we need a new midfielder.
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Yes, he isn't Marvellous and needs upgrading - not his fault, just another ill judged signing from 2019.
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Different time, 2019. We needed players, and tbf he didn't look too shabby in his first two or three appearances. But he's not kept pace with our progression, we've left him behind a bit.
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Yes, he isn't Marvellous and needs upgrading - not his fault, just another ill judged signing from 2019.
I think that's really harsh on him. Do we want an upgrade now, in 2021? Yes. Was he good enough for a squad that stayed in the premier league in their first year back and consolidated to 11th in their second year? Also yes. The fact that a player we bought to help us maintain our premier league status isn't now good enough to help us push for the top 6 isn't a sign that buying him was 'ill-judged', it just means he's done his job and now we're looking for better, that's all.
If our trajectory is to continue along the lines we hope it will, there will be plenty more Nakambas over the next few years, with players we brought in to do a job but are no longer of the required standard. It doesn't make Nakamba (or whoever is next) a bad buy, it just means we've improved - which is obviously a good thing!
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
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Yeah, people moan that we need someone to break up play. Nakamba does that better than any of our other players and gets moaned at for not being Lothar Matthaus in possession. He still has an important role to play this season and, unless we bring at least one player in, I'd be reluctant to let him leave.
Our biggest problem I'd suggest is the inability of our midfield to get turned on the ball when pressed by the opposition. Nakamba is a liability really in that scenario and he isn't anywhere near good enough without the ball to compensate.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
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I was being a tad harsh on him but we paid too much and in all honesty, he didn't look much better than League 2 level last night.
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While others have improved, he seems to have gone backwards from the performances he gave against Tottenham and Chelsea at the end of last season (and even then, a misplaced pass led to Tottenham's goal).
We're missing an Ndidi/Allan/Hojberg/Phillips/Rice type that the teams around us have, which could make a real difference to us. We're very much relying on Luiz discovering the form he was in after lockdown and early last season.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
He's reaching the end of his career now, but West Ham's back up in that position to Soucek and Rice was Noble. But anyway, both of their players in that position are miles better than the two players we've got doing the job. We've got two players who aren't natural sitting midfielders, and then a replacement who despite being a natural DCM, just isn't very good. It's the very, very obvious weak spot in the team.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
I wish he played for us.
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Well we bid for him got turned down and downgraded to Nakamba. I'm not sure who scouted him but file him under Wesley and shit.
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Thought Nakamba put in a real shift when he came on yesterday. Great performance.
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Yeah, think he's back to the levels he was at near the end of last season now.
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Fitted in really nicely when he came on.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
Meh, Leeds, England. Similar kits.
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Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
Meh, Leeds, England. Similar kits.
Both followed by an inordinate number of arseholes.
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Different time, 2019. We needed players, and tbf he didn't look too shabby in his first two or three appearances. But he's not kept pace with our progression, we've left him behind a bit.
I wish to change my mind, if I may, please. Certainly as at worst a backup, he's it, until he's dead or we find someone better. Once again we didn't concede whilst he's on the pitch. Moved the ball well, and he seems to have completely cut out that trait he once had of giving away free kicks around our box.
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By my count that's now three games this season he's looked a different player compared to last, the most positive thing now he's quickly moving the ball on. Losing SJM yesterday had me very worried but Nakamba came on and was indeed marvelous.
Only real concern was at least once he wanted to drift forward, not that I blame him but I'd much prefer he sticks to what he's good at and frees up Luiz and Ramsey to do the same.
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.
He wasn't alone. Watford was a shambles all over the pitch. Plus, he didn't come on yesterday to protect a lead, he came on and helped us dominate the midfield. You'll get there in the end, SHQ. ;)
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.
He wasn't alone. Watford was a shambles all over the pitch. Plus, he didn't come on yesterday to protect a lead, he came on and helped us dominate the midfield. You'll get there in the end, SHQ. ;)
Indeed I thought we made the sub at 1-0! Lose track with all the drama of that ten minutes.
I'm not a huge fan but would be wrong to say he dosen't have good games as he did second half of last season. He's a good squad player but no more than that.
Interesting what club do as he has 18 months left on his deal and we obviously have some very promising CMs coming through and wanted to sign another in the summer.
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I think Dean has had a word in his ear about moving the ball on quicker, not to complicate things and Marvelous is repaying that faith with improved performances. Horses for courses, we'll need him over the season if he maintains his current level.
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Well we bid for him got turned down and downgraded to Nakamba. I'm not sure who scouted him but file him under Wesley and shit.
Feeling lucky, punk?
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
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I think Dean has had a word in his ear about moving the ball on quicker, not to complicate things and Marvelous is repaying that faith with improved performances. Horses for courses, we'll need him over the season if he maintains his current level.
Or, as Smith, Shakespeare et al probably like to refer to it as, coached him. Probably falls under the coaching part of a coach's remit.
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I'm not sure why, but I think he suits coming on as a sub more than being a starter, for the most part.
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Nakamba was rubbish against Watford but so was most of the team, we simply were not prepared for that match. Yesterday he was excellent and I think he has a big part to play for us this season.
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
Think you've answered your own question. It can't be the lead he was protecting, since we didn't have one. Therefore, it was written as intended, SHQ has some inside info that he's let slip and knew that the 3pts against Everton was needed for the glorious day at the end of May, when Joe gets to see us lift the league title at the Emptihad after an emphatic 7(SEVEN)-0 victory, where he gets subbed on and subbed off again.
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I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.
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He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.
Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
Think you've answered your own question. It can't be the lead he was protecting, since we didn't have one. Therefore, it was written as intended, SHQ has some inside info that he's let slip and knew that the 3pts against Everton was needed for the glorious day at the end of May, when Joe gets to see us lift the league title at the Emptihad after an emphatic 7(SEVEN)-0 victory, where he gets subbed on and subbed off again.
That does indeed make the most sense now that I've thought about it.
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Thought he was really good on Saturday. I appreciate he's no world beater, but when on form he does a really decent job for us. I reckon if people saw a highlights reel a lot would be saying he's exactly what we need!
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I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.
During the Euros in the summer, some top former international player made the comment (about playing both Phillips and Rice) that as defensive midfielder you prefer to own the role and playing with two only confuses the issue.
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Thought he was really good on Saturday. I appreciate he's no world beater, but when on form he does a really decent job for us. I reckon if people saw a highlights reel a lot would be saying he's exactly what we need!
Hear hear.
Always feel a little tentative when he comes on but he was absolutely solid on Saturday.
Marvellous in fact!
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The only teams that should be playing 4231 consistently are ones with a genuine destroyer alongside a Pirlo-style genius or teams that dominate the ball so much that they can play 2 box-to-box players behind a genuine 10 (as Man City do). Far most teams 4141 or some variant of that will be more effective.
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I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.
I think it's the same for Ollie up top.
During the Euros in the summer, some top former international player made the comment (about playing both Phillips and Rice) that as defensive midfielder you prefer to own the role and playing with two only confuses the issue.
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What a humble & decent young man his Twitter apology shows him to be, compare and contrast with pocket tweets of AMG Mercedes cars.
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Thought he had a very good game last night.
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Excellent again last night. I'm not convinced that if we'd gone and spunked 40m on a DM in the summer they would have performed much better than Marv has so far this season. If he carries on like this we need to think about a new contract for him.
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Delighted he stepped up and took a pen ahead of a youngster. Thats the way to do it gareth.
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not my favourite player but can't fault him last night all round.
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Nakamba has to be back of the queue for penalties as he's just not got ability to strike a ball to score a goal.
Has uses but certainly no El Goalzi from the spot.
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I really don't rate this guy kicking a football ability but do feel he adds , in certain games and circumstances, quality of some protective shield and tackling (although varied) ability
If we could find an upgrade for a footballer who can play and sit in pivot that wouldn't be marvellous it would be even better.
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What do you do when you have the richest owners in World football?
Try and sign Marvelous Nakamba of course. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
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What do you do when you have the richest owners in World football?
Try and sign Marvelous Nakamba of course. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Start the bidding at £50m.
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£15 million for Marvelous - that proves that Newcastle have more money than sense
Cant see them being interested in any player until they get a DOF and a new manager
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£15 million for Marvelous - that proves that Newcastle have more money than sense
How’s that? That would be a steal. A very underrated player.
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Showed the required spirit and some lovely interceptions and tackling if not the quality in playing passes including playing it out for a throw in trying to pass back to Cash when Marv started a run with the ball?!
Puzzling but I've decided he's a poundland version of Kante
Just a trier but nothing special. Had energy though and one of better players although really weak footballing ability.
Was fouled for sure and even Fornals could have gone but look at the antics he did.
I mean marvelous roll on
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12456606/he-almost-rolled-down-the-tunnel
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One superb scything tackle similar to the thunderbastard tackle he did against Man City in the League Cup final. Other than that, lots of very crap passing and not much good play. Him against the West Ham midfield was a total mismatch.
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He is enthusiastically shit.
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he did the best of a crap midfield
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Headless donkey.
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His play acting was embarrassing
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His play acting was embarrassing
It's probably the worst I've seen for a few years in terms of amounts of rolls. He even chucked in a pike
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I counted 4 full rolls. Embarrassing.
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His play acting was embarrassing
It's probably the worst I've seen for a few years in terms of amounts of rolls. He even chucked in a pike
It was a salmon leap according to my angling amigo.
He had a good spell, but was mostly absent.
Looking at the team formations on Google, West Ham played 4-2-3-1. 2 holding midfield players. Ours was Marvelous, who's not going to holding much at the end of the day.
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The bloke couldn't hold a door open.
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he is dreadful, if we can get £15 million for him I would drive him to Newcastle
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I've just watched kante goal v Leicester. I also considered marvellous to be our version of kante, think we'll ever see him score a goal like that?
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Nope, but equally applies to most of our midfielders
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He did well to start the move for our first goal today.
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
I've just seen that it certainly didn't feel like that. I think I've focused on the one he gave away.
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Nakamba was very good today I think and Gerrard will consider him a useful player.
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Not sure why he is rubbished on a regular basis, he was the only defensive midfielder today and did just fine, his passing has been in question in the past but surely not today.
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I like him. I like his energy and he was very good today.
We still need better in that position, but I wouldn't be crazy about selling him (and def not for the figures touted). He does what he does better than anyone else currently on the books.
If we do manage to get someone in, let's try to embrace the weird notion of squad depth.
I have a feeling that McGinn and Luiz will need rotating this season anyway, with their summer schedules on the back of the last two weird seasons.
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
Really, that’s surprised me
I thought he looked far better when we upped the tempo a bit and pressed them, then he regained possession quite a few times as he’s pretty quick over 5-10 yards.
When we have the ball maybe he’s got the reputation he’s got because, even though he doesn’t give it away, he looks like he’s going to. He did well yesterday but I still think it might be the first position looked at for an upgrade, as it should have been in the summer.
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People question Nakamba's passing largely because he's only ever gonna pass it sideways. There have been occasions he's got caught on the ball in past games, but with regular game time that'll drop. He's in one of the most thankless roles a team has. He's not making the last ditch CH tackles. He's not gonna score or make goals. If he goes by unnoticed he's doing his job well. But he wouldnt be the first anchorman who gets shredded for every misplaced pass.
Maybe we need an upgrade with someone who can carry the ball and transition us forward better, but if we can get our balance right in midfield, and Nakamba is the one to do the quiet work (and allow SJM more license forward) so be it. He's the only player we have who can do it. Ahead of him, we can hopefully get more consistency from two of SJM/Luiz/Ramsey/Carney and maybe Sanson (if he can reattached his legs).
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I think the whole team was told to be a lot tighter in possession yesterday, and not give the ball away stupidly. Only Super John didn't seem to get the memo, but he was great again so we'll let him off. Nakamba just did the simple things well, and wasn't it his pass to Young that started our attack that led to the first goal?
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
This doesn’t count the times he did the hard part by winning the ball, only to have it taken back off him before he tried a pass. I actually quite like him, but can we afford to give him a run of games to iron out his obvious deficiencies? It’s absolutely the right position we need to fill in January if possible
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He's good at his specialist area, and his distribution (and the movement of the person receiving it) need to be better.
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Really?! Maybe he did make those passes, but that performance is not what I saw from the Trinity yesterday. Kept making tackles then hesitating and holding onto it for too long and getting the ball stolen off him again.
Do think it could be a confidence thing, so maybe we do just give him a run in the team to find his feet? That probably does mean leaving out either Ramsay or Luis though.
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If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
This doesn’t count the times he did the hard part by winning the ball, only to have it taken back off him before he tried a pass. I actually quite like him, but can we afford to give him a run of games to iron out his obvious deficiencies? It’s absolutely the right position we need to fill in January if possible
It's infuriating! He's really good at winning the ball back, gives away very few free kicks in doing what he does, and he's shown he's more than capable of giving the ball to a teammate. But so often he gets his pocket picked in the instant after he's just done it to the opposition. He needs to develop a trick, a roll, a step, something he can instinctively deploy once he's won the ball that will give him that crucial split second to move the ball to somewhere safe so's he can get his head up.
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I thought he did quite well but we need better in there. If you're going to become a possession side then 37% of it at home shows we're a way off. - its not like we scored early and they were chasing the game. I mean possession isn't everything as the scoreline shows but still....
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He played well yesterday.
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I thought he did quite well but we need better in there. If you're going to become a possession side then 37% of it at home shows we're a way off. - its not like we scored early and they were chasing the game. I mean possession isn't everything as the scoreline shows but still....
I know, I know, but there does come a point where there's only so much you can do when the other side are almost prepared to tuck the ball under their arm and bugger off home if that's what it takes to stop you getting a kick of it. I think Potter's becoming trapped inside his own ideological triangle.
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I think the whole team was told to be a lot tighter in possession yesterday, and not give the ball away stupidly. Only Super John didn't seem to get the memo, but he was great again so we'll let him off. Nakamba just did the simple things well, and wasn't it his pass to Young that started our attack that led to the first goal?
Yes, his contribution to the goal was key. He intercepted a dangerous Brighton cross near our 6 yard box and then brought it out and played a simple ball to Young His composure in that moment was impressive. It would have been easy for him to just clear it.
I like his combativeness. He was good yesterday.
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Thought he was ok, but not quite “good”. His positioning was pretty good and he got his foot in, but he’s a bit lightweight and often didn’t come away with the ball despite being on the right place at the right time. His passing accuracy was good, and he was great for Watkins’ goal, but too often it’s a pass backwards to the centre backs which looks good on the stats but doesn’t really do much when you’re at 0-0.
He’s not a liability and seems quite a likeable chap, but I just can’t see enough in him to suggest he can be the base of a top 8 / top 6 midfield.
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My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.
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Yesterday it was like he watched Bissouma for half an hour and realised that is the role he should be playing for us, by the end he was on that level. I'm sure we keep more clean sheets with him in the team on average.
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He was poor in the first half but got better as the game progressed.
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I don't think people will ever be satisfied with the job he does, as it is a thankless job breaking up play and it often involves getting a foot in but potentially not having/getting control of the ball.
We are a much worse side without him and we have nobody else who can do his thankless job!
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I don't think people will ever be satisfied with the job he does, as it is a thankless job breaking up play and it often involves getting a foot in ... and we have nobody else who can do his thankless job!
Apart from Douglas?
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My favourite moment from him yesterday was when Brighton were faffing about with the ball 35+ yards from our goal and we were all in our box. Then out nowhere, Nakamba just explodes out faster than Steve Bruce in Fifa 22 and wins the ball. Very much a "where the hell did that come from?" moment.
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My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.
His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.
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My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.
His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.
Yep, and that's exactly what I want in a DM, read the play, win the ball and start a counter attack. The best of them will do something like that 6-7 times in a game almost every week, Rice in particular is a master at it. If they add goals and long ranging passes on top then great but that's window dressing for me.
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My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.
His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.
Yep, and that's exactly what I want in a DM, read the play, win the ball and start a counter attack. The best of them will do something like that 6-7 times in a game almost every week, Rice in particular is a master at it. If they add goals and long ranging passes on top then great but that's window dressing for me.
And he can do that, it's just the other side like when we took a short free kick to him in the first half and he shit himself and gave up the ball under the slightest pressure.
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I think one of Nakamba's biggest weaknesses is that he can't or won't run with the ball. When we got that hiding off West Ham, both Soucek and Rice loved driving forwards. It draws midfielders and defenders out of position when you've got players like that. Ramsey is great at it to be fair.
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
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Agreed Paul. Although Ramsey seems a likely option as well. Love watching him bursting forward with the ball, he gets bums off seats.
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made. Much like top-class centre-forwards. I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake. Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first. We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made. Much like top-class centre-forwards. I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake. Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first. We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!
From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made. Much like top-class centre-forwards. I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake. Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first. We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!
From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.
I think it was noticeable on Saturday that Ramsey was carrying the ball more than i had seen him do before and, even though he got caught in possession a couple of times, it seemed to suit him. He’s a physically stronger player than even last season so I can see that being something Gerrard perseveres with.
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Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.
I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made. Much like top-class centre-forwards. I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake. Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first. We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!
From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.
I think it was noticeable on Saturday that Ramsey was carrying the ball more than i had seen him do before and, even though he got caught in possession a couple of times, it seemed to suit him. He’s a physically stronger player than even last season so I can see that being something Gerrard perseveres with.
Agreed, that driving running was why so many people were impressed with him at the weekend.
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JJ was the first player Gerrard spoke/whispered to on the final whistle, if you've got the gaffer's eyes on you from the get-go, it's a positive sign.
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Friend of a friend was in the Director's lounge after the game Saturday and apparently the word going round was that the new coaching staff think that they've got a couple of 'worldies' on their hands in JJ and Douglas Luiz.
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Was marvelous today, deserved to keep his place after last weeks performance against Brighton.
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Some lovely tackles today.
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Marvelous finally getting appreciated. Blatantly obvious he was always a marvelous player. Thank you Gerrard for also seeing it.
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Gerrard getting the best out of him. In the first half he was winning the ball back in positions really high up the park.
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Man of the Match today, not for the first time either. He isn't perfect but he's a lot better than he's given credit for much of the time too. It's not easy being in and out of the team as often as he is but his attitude is unquestionable.
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Credit to him, had a good game
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I criticised him probably unfairly last week but he was fantastic as the defensive shield today.
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One thing that has been unfortunate for Nakamba was that after a difficult first six months, from project restart onward, he's been largely decent when he's played, but under Deano, for whatever reason, he never got a good run in the side. Even perhaps at times last season when our form dipped with Joe out, and Douglas had a dip too. Marv has had the odd niggle here and there but he's probably warranted more consistent game time than he's had, notably because our midfield has a little more bite with him in the side.
Perhaps Gerrard will be more inclined to play the players on form, or who show enough to win their place. You'd look at how Nakamba and Young have played in the last two and it seems that way. Nakamba really hasn't done too much wrong in the past 18 or so months for me. In shocking games he's often less culpable than some others were. He has limitations but he also seems to be potentially key in how Gerrard plays.
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I've been critical of his quality, but credit where it's due, he did well today.
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Douglas Luiz isn't going to walk straight back into the team, especially given his poor cameo today. Well done Marvellous though, he was everywhere today.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
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Gerrard is playing him where he does his best work, in front of the back 4 in the middle. We don't need 2 men in there, which was, in my opinion, one of Dean's major problems always wanting to defend the defence. He sat in the Makelele Hole and did his job. If his passing was 20% better he'd be a very good player. Worth keeping especially if Dougie is going to go all prima donna on us.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
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He was very good in the second half last week, if he can just work on his concentration and decision making.
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Gerrard is playing him where he does his best work, in front of the back 4 in the middle. We don't need 2 men in there, which was, in my opinion, one of Dean's major problems always wanting to defend the defence. He sat in the Makelele Hole and did his job. If his passing was 20% better he'd be a very good player. Worth keeping especially if Dougie is going to go all prima donna on us.
I don’t know about today, but I’m sure someone said his passing stats vrs Brighton was 97%
You don’t want your DM to be a fancy Dan
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When Marv plays well, we win. On his off days seems to be an Alan Wright like scapegoat. Keep up the good work Marv.
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I think he’s genuinely pretty effective most of the time. He has limits but he can be very effective.
TBH - I think he gets too much stick - I’m less annoyed by a limited player who sometimes come up short then some of our other players who have the talent but are inconsistent
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In a narrow midfield, with the wider players tucking in as well, he looks far more effective.
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I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
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He's not there to look pretty, it's his job to win the ball in midfield and break up the play, he did that perfectly today.
Never looks tired he could play another ninety.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
Shame it was the one thing he didn't do properly all game. What a disgrace of a player Zaha is. Literally more concerned with provocation and cheating than playing most of the time. It's a shame, as he's a talent.
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And the biggest moaner/grumpy bastard stuck playing with his "beloved" Palace. Like you say great talent but hard to like.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
He absolutely did and we was very lucky the competition winner ref didn’t play an advantage.
That has been the only real mistake Marv has made in 2 games though. Excellent again in a very important position.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
Worth getting a yellow card to scythe down that twat.
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Aye, you'd take the yellow all day for that.
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Nakamba was great yesterday. Continually stopped Palace getting forward, broke up play and some astute passing to get us going.
He will make mistakes and he will have games where he will be less effective but this is true of everyone.
I'd like him to have a run of games when he knows he is going to play. I'm sure we'd see him grow as a player if he knew he was trusted by the manager.
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I'd like him to have a run of games when he knows he is going to play. I'm sure we'd see him grow as a player if he knew he was trusted by the manager.
Well until he gets dropped that seems to be the case at the moment.
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I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.
Broadly agree with this. It’s noticeable that he has had two decent games where we have had less than 40% possession. We are currently set up in a way that accentuates his positive attributes and does a good job of hiding his weaknesses. Imagine he will be very useful at times (next three games in particular) but may struggle if we look to become more expansive or control games with possession rather then without.
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I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.
Broadly agree with this. It’s noticeable that he has had two decent games where we have had less than 40% possession. We are currently set up in a way that accentuates his positive attributes and does a good job of hiding his weaknesses. Imagine he will be very useful at times (next three games in particular) but may struggle if we look to become more expansive or control games with possession rather then without.
Presumably these are games where Luiz (or Chuky or Sanson) will get the nod over Marv.
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Thought he did well again compared to some of the others and Mr Gerrard obviously rates him whatever his limitations. May even not be him who is replaced this January if he buys a central midfielder.
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87% pass completion rate yesterday, following last week when it was high 90s. He's turning into a quietly effective player.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.
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Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
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Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
Yep, if he's not brilliant against one of the best teams in the world then we should definitely shelve him.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.
Not sure about that Lee, did you see Bailey’s in the first half? Dear oh fucking dear.
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Does anybody remember who he did that thunderbastard tackle on in the League Cup final? Second half as I recall. If Greasy is playing, I hope Marvelous has got one of those saved up for him.
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Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.
Not sure about that Lee, did you see Bailey’s in the first half? Dear oh fucking dear.
There's spooning them over the bar or miles wide, but then there's chipping it onto the chest of an opponent ten yards away then having to chase back and hack down your opponent, being lucky not to get sent off.
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Chipping it into the chest of an opponent is exactly what Bailey did, just without the subsequent chasing back.
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Chipping it into the chest of an opponent is exactly what Bailey did, just without the subsequent chasing back.
Ah, ok, our stream was fucking shit and we missed pretty much every key moment.
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Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
Yep, if he's not brilliant against one of the best teams in the world then we should definitely shelve him.
If you want to read it like that go ahead butthere's a whole range of options between briliant and not good enough that you've decided to ignore. That said my point was more that we played a brighton team that are pretty toothless and a palace team that are better but have mostly coasted on the back of very good form from gallagher so neither are teams where I'd have expected a DM to struggle to have an impact. Wednesday is a step up and how well he handles that will go a long way towards deciding if he can be the player we all wanted in the summer.
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He was decent against Brighton and very good verses Palace. I doubt he's the long term answer, but I've seen our entire team play poorly against Man City and if that happens again on Wednesday I won't be writing them all off. He needs to be judged over a period of games and this is just one of them. Of course in the unlikley event he dominates against City then that would be a big tick. But I don't expect him to and if he doesn't I doubt that will be the deciding factor in any decison Gerrard makes.
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He's fine in games were we're not going to dominate possession, when the onus is on us to open up a team sitting deep is when his limitations show up a bit.
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So please let's see Morgan in for those ones.
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He's fine in games were we're not going to dominate possession, when the onus is on us to open up a team sitting deep is when his limitations show up a bit.
The trouble is, none of our current three midfielders are really known for being best mates with Mr Pass. Ramsey is all about driving forward with the ball, Nakamba will win it back and play it simple, and McGinn is all about being the attacking midfielder. When you need to slow things down, keep things steady and just retain the ball for a bit, none of them are brilliant at it. Luiz is probably the best at it, but he was horribly shit when he came on against Palace, so can’t see him starting for a while yet until he gets some fitness back.
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Let's not write Palace off either. They aren't a Cityesque team, but they were unbeaten at home and one of the form sides in the division. Marvellous performed at a very high level against a very decent opponent. You can only play the team in front of you, and we have been congratulating him for that not waiting for him to potentially fail in the future.
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Nakamba is one of those selfless players that raise the game of the other midfielders. His ceiling is probably 7/10 but that sort of performance will give the other two midfielders the opportunity to be 9/10.
Not that he should be excused poor performances but it might be better to judge him based on how all three players perform rather than his performance alone.
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Nakamba is one of those selfless players that raise the game of the other midfielders. His ceiling is probably 7/10 but that sort of performance will give the other two midfielders the opportunity to be 9/10.
Not that he should be excused poor performances but it might be better to judge him based on how all three players perform rather than his performance alone.
He's benefiting from having his teammates closer to him, rather than having to thread a pass which isn't his strong point. With good structure around him he can play.
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he's benefiting from being told to hold position, tackle when needed then play a nice simple pass to better players - he knows his role and he's good at it - sometimes managers over-complicate it.
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Does anybody remember who he did that thunderbastard tackle on in the League Cup final? Second half as I recall. If Greasy is playing, I hope Marvelous has got one of those saved up for him.
Augero
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Got a lot of time for Marv, but even when he is having a good game, he is prone to make a a really poor error and usually in a dangerous area. He is the type of player we need in that he is mobile and gets about the opposition, but we need someone with more quality on the ball.
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Did a great job for us tonight. Broke up play and turned us around, if only he had a pass. Still did what he was supposed to against this opposition. Getting better.
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I think he's improving at a faster rate than anyone, and it seems that Gerrard trusts him, which is probably fuelling that improvement. Good. He seems like a lovely bloke who deserves his chance.
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Marv made a couple of errors tonight but overall he was very good. He has to keep up his perormance level to change the minds of some.
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I thought he was excellent.
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I thought he was excellent.
Me too, mate. I thought he was hopeless before, but am happy to feast on humble pie.
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Ran about alot - did okay for me
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He played very well last night, as he has in every game since Gerrard has taken us over.
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Another good performance last night. I don't know what Gerrard is telling him, but it's having the desired effect.
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I also enjoyed his no-fucking-about exit when subbed, he legged it off and gave an enthusiastic display of encouragement his replacement.
Little things, but we're chasing an equaliser and it showed an appreciation of that and a commitment to the team ethic.
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Did ok yesterday, looked a bit blown out so I'm not surprised he was replaced and there were a couple of times he won the ball and tried to play a pass he hasn't got the ability for and gave away possession again but he's showing he can be a big part of the squad. It makes the need for a new midfielder less urgent if he can keep this up.
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He didn't really get near them first half, and lost out on a couple of 50/50 balls, but on the whole did OK. I'd quite like to see a Luiz/McGinn/Sanson midfield against Leicester though.
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I thought he was ok, but he still struggles with his distribution. Often when he wins the ball he’ll immediately give it away again.
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The great thing about his poor distribution is that it immediately gives him the opportunity to make another tackle. I thought he did very well.
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His passing against Palace was pretty good, less so yesterday but he's against a world class midfield. Still pretty pleased with his last 3 games. He deserves his place.
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I thought he was excellent.
Paul? Is that you?
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Congrats to Marv!
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1466807188173860876?s=20
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Who's this bloke that Gerrard brought in with him?
I called loudly for him to be moved on in the Summer, but he looks like a different animal under Gerrard. Keep it up Marv!
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Yeah he was superb today, especially clearing up the mistakes from our wayward passing.
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Not too long ago I'd fear the worst with him going into a 60/40 challenge. Now I'm surprised when he doesn't emerge with the ball from a 30/70. And he's picking a pass and we're keeping the ball. Keeps going at this rate and he could save us from desperately having to spend a few bob in January.
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Excellent today
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This lad is living up to his name.
Marvelous, stupendous, monstrous, fabulous. Colossus.
Keep it up Marv.
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Not too long ago I'd fear the worst with him going into a 60/40 challenge. Now I'm surprised when he doesn't emerge with the ball from a 30/70. And he's picking a pass and we're keeping the ball. Keeps going at this rate and he could save us from desperately having to spend a few bob in January.
I agree. Give him a bit longer to see if he can maintain this form. Signing a midfielder in January will somewhat block the path of Ramsey and Chuk too so we need to be careful.
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He reminds me of Elmo in the sense that although he’s never going to be a world beater he does his job very effectively and always plays with a smile on his face. He was fantastic again today.
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His the biggest transformation under SG. Really good today again. Could be our Kante (and I've never thought that once before the last month).
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But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?
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But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?
Oh don't say that.
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He was great again today. That block after Mings' error at the start of the second half was absolutely outstanding.
Good to hear that he's become a fans favourite too.
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But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?
Guess we're all "whoever is playing Zimbabwe" supporters for a bit.
I can't imagine he'll be hanging around all that long.
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Excellent today, good on ya
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He reminds me of Elmo in the sense that although he’s never going to be a world beater he does his job very effectively and always plays with a smile on his face. He was fantastic again today.
Reminds me of Des Bremner, an essential cog in the works, outstanding today against a very good Leicester midfield! UTV
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But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?
Oh don't say that.
Yes, and I never thought a month ago I would have been too concerned about him missing games. However his transformation has been remarkable since Gerrard started. Hats off to Marvelous and the management!
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He’s becoming undroppable at the moment. Shame some of that momentum will be interrupted with AFCON. But he’s been excellent lately.
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Improving a lot and a big part is actually just down to playing, getting a good run. He's definitely looking more confident and clear in what he's doing under Gerrard though and more impressively for me, aside from the things we know he can do, his forward passing and driving forward is improving too, as his close control under pressure. Bloody AFCON.
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Spotted a Zimbabwean flag in the Lower Holte today.
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Magnificent today and best player this season - thought he was even reasonably good in Dean’s last few games
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He's been absolutely excellent. That has to be good work from the manager and his staff.
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The wee fella is probably my favourite player at the moment. Undemonstrative, unfussy. He is doing exactly the job he is being asked to do: break up play, move the ball to a player that is more capable of production. He isn't looking to be a showman. I respect that, as the ego of footballers generally prevents this sort of performance. Keep it up mon!
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One of the commentators said he is the most improved player in the premiership.
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He's been excellent.
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A stunning transformation in such a short time, he’s like a new signing. Huge credit to him and to the management team.
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His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
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His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
Bloody hell, that's some statement; not that I'm disagreeing with you!
Luiz looked well out of sorts today and seems to slow the game down unnecessarily sometimes.
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His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
Bloody hell, that's some statement; not that I'm disagreeing with you!
Luiz looked well out of sorts today and seems to slow the game down unnecessarily sometimes.
He was our best player against one of the best teams in the world the game before. I didn't think he was poor yesterday, not as good as Wednesday but not poor.
I wouldn't have said anyone was poor yesterday, and I can't real think of a poor individual performance in any game under Gerrard, everyone has contributed, and that says a lot.
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He's been absolutely excellent. That has to be good work from the manager and his staff.
Also probably down to getting consistently picked rather than just starting the odd game.
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Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.
We definitely going to need to get someone in as only luoz can play there unless he plans to use tuanzebe there?
I think this could be a option as axel has the attributes to be a very good dm
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Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.
Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.
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Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.
Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.
Two of the easier games then.
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Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.
Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.
And I don't think I'd fancy them to finish ahead of Senegal or Guinea.
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Iroegbunam made the bench yesterday so maybe an opportunity for him to come in and play the role in those games?
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Marvelous has turned from being a very average Premier League DM to one of the best, great to see.
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Knew it!, just needed to be wanted and given a clear role it seems. Impressive turn of form, let’s hope he goes from strength to strength.
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He's really playing well I'm pleased for him.
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Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?
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Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?
No, cruel and unusual punishments should be a thing of the past.
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I always knew he was Marvellous .
Just didnt realise he would be this good. Fair play to him . Seems a good egg too . Might save is a few quid in midfield especially with Sanson starting to settle too.
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Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.
We definitely going to need to get someone in as only luoz can play there unless he plans to use tuanzebe there?
I think this could be a option as axel has the attributes to be a very good dm
It's interesting that Gerrard clearly doesn't see Luiz competing with Marvelous, as it appeared Dean did. Marvelous is his first choice DM, and he's been absolutely brilliant. I think Sanson is slowly being eased in to replace Luiz in the 3.
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Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?
No, cruel and unusual punishments should be a thing of the past.
Wicked.
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Terrific yesterday. His distribution is getting better and if he nails that he can be a really handy player.
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Really excellent since Gerrard arrived. The narrower shape of the team means he doesn't get overrun all the time, and is better able to do his job.
Feel like perhaps I was judging him unfairly before.
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Marvelous has turned from being a very average Premier League DM to one of the best, great to see.
Agree, plus the whole midfield looks miles better under Gerrard. McGinn is showing his Scotland form now. A beast yesterday.
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We have struck a deal with the Zimbabwe Football Association which will see Marvelous Nakamba missing the pre AFCON training camp & possibly fly directly to Cameroon for the tournament start
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His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
His passing is probably better than our £36m playmaker who has been bought because of his passing.
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A bit unfair. Emi can play a through-ball like no one else in the squad and his "remit" is to make things happen quickly so his pass-attempts are much more higher risk than Nakamba and his middle-third/square balls.
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A bit unfair. Emi can play a through-ball like no one else in the squad and his "remit" is to make things happen quickly so his pass-attempts are much more higher risk than Nakamba and his middle-third/square balls.
Yep, Nakamba gains possession and gives it to someone else to be creative and take the risks.
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I was being very flippant I accept. On the whole, Emi does a lot more good work then bad.
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Marv out and having a scan on his knee.
Just as he was hitting form, feel really sorry for the lad. Hope it's not serious.
Time for Luiz and Sanson to step up.
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Time to rest/rotate a couple of the mid-fielders I think.
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And maybe Norwich (who dont have the strongest midfield) and Burnley (where the ball will be in the air and bypassing our midfield most of the time they have it) is not a bad couple of games to be able to change it around.
Time for Sanson / Chuck and co to step up - 2 x decent wins and we have to start thinking like "He won't get back in"
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Hopefully he'll miss the African Nations Cup and can rest-up in Redditch instead.
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Oh FFS! https://theathletic.com/news/aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba-likely-to-miss-rest-of-the-season/WCyCyO0tpHU6/
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Fuck
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Wow. I didn't even see anything that happened during the game or see him limping or anything and assumed he had been subbed off because he was kanckered.
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That’s a shame. He was developing nicely under SG
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Oh no gutted. If there’s one player that typifies our turnaround in form , it’s him.
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We do seem to have awful luck when it comes to long-term injuries. Get well soon Marv.
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He's done so well. Really feel for the guy. His attitude has been exemplary.
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Absolutely gutted. He’s always done his very best for us and started to look a key part for us. What a shame for him and us.
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If surgery is "up in the air" and to be decided within the next 48hrs what does that mean.. small meniscus tear?
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FFS, I know every club thinks it but I really do think we have worse than average luck with injuries.
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Disappointing news, to put it mildly.
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Terrible news, feel so sorry for Marv as he was playing better every week under SG
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Absurdly bad luck for him and the club.
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He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.
If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
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Gutted for the lad as he's been a real positive since SG came in. Wish him all the best in what is a long road to recovery.
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He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.
If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
You would have thought so but then there would be no decision to make about surgery?!?
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He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.
If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.
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I’m hoping (trying to stay positive)it’s more that Marv has a niggle which at some point needs surgery, so he has it now before he’s away on international duty, where he would miss games for us anyway. We therefore win in the long run.
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A real gutter, I've always liked the guy and I think that we've always looked a better, more balanced team with him in it.
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Fuck me. Aside from the obvious fact that he's a good lad and doesn't deserve this, it's of course happened when he's playing very well and has become an important cog in the team.
Why do we have such shit luck with injuries?
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Best of luck with the recovery marvellous. You have been a revelation since Gerrards come. Rotten luck.
No question will have to dip into the transfer market come janaury now.
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Awful news. He really started to look the business under Gerrard
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Terrible news for the lad, never thought he'd really make it with us so he must be distraught that when he finally gets his Villa career going, it's then stopped in its tracks. The only remote silver-lining is that we'll have to try to get a replacement, and then we'll still have Marvelous to come back.
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Absolutely gutted for Marv and for us. He was in the form of his life.
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Terrible news for the lad, never thought he'd really make it with us so he must be distraught that when he finally gets his Villa career going, it's then stopped in its tracks. The only remote silver-lining is that we'll have to try to get a replacement, and then we'll still have Marvelous to come back.
Yes, the only crumb of comfort is it happening now and not on 1st of Feb.
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have we had it confirmed he is out for the season ?
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have we had it confirmed he is out for the season ?
Decision being made on surgery or otherwise today apparently.
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Oh FFS! https://theathletic.com/news/aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba-likely-to-miss-rest-of-the-season/WCyCyO0tpHU6/
FFS, missed this. How can this happen just as he is developing into the player we have always wanted in that position? I was honestly beginning to think he could be the one we have lacked for the guts of a decade or more. His form has been sublime since SG came in. And now this. We do get awful luck with injuries.
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Didn't he leave the pitch under his own steam? If it's a serious knee injury then he must be a blood machine. Absolutely gutted for him, he's gone from being maligned by much of the support, to being an integral part of the Gerrard side and style, and now this. Fingers crossed he comes back stronger.
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He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.
If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.
That's kind of my point though. He jogged off with a smile on his face and now there's talk of it being a season ending injury. It's just very strange.
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Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard has confirmed that Warriors star Marvelous Nakamba has a knee injury and will be out for ‘a number of months’.
Nakamba was taken off in the 57th minute of the Claret and Blue’s 0-1 defeat to Liverpool this past weekend, due to the setback.
The soft spoken midfielder went to see a specialist yesterday, to determine whether or not to have surgery and Gerrard said the situation is not looking good.
“The best way to put it is that we’ve had confirmation that he has got a knee injury,” he said after Villa’s 2-0 win over Norwich City and Carrow Road last night.
“We’re really going have a serious chat tomorrow in terms of whether we want him to have surgery or whether we’ll manage the injury conservatively.
“We’ll make that decision in the next 24 hours but he’s certainly going to be missing for some time because it’s a serious injury.“We need to now make the best decision which is really frustrating and disappointing because he has been outstanding but we’ll give him every bit of support and care to get him back as safe as possible.”
“We’ve got a rough idea but I don’t want to get wrong and I don’t want to put unnecessary pressure on the medical staff but he’ll certainly be missing for a number of months.”
Consequently, Nakamba will miss the AFCON finals in January. – Soccer24 Zimbabwe
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Bit of a disaster although in the context of COVID we may not need him the way things are going. Get the cheque book out Purslow!.
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Well at least SG is giving us the picture. None of this "should, could, possibly, not quite ready, "we will assess, almost there, another week or two" we have previously been fed after a reported "niggle".
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Yeah a "number of months"......Being my usual pessimistic self, recovering, getting fit etc., think you're talking April minimum so pretty much bye bye for the season. The club has to spend money in January now imo.
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He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.
If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.
That's kind of my point though. He jogged off with a smile on his face and now there's talk of it being a season ending injury. It's just very strange.
What happened to Wesley was a rarity in that he ended up being out for ages after clearly getting injured while playing. All our other absenteeism generally seems to be for nothing much that actually happened.
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Well at least SG is giving us the picture. None of this "should, could, possibly, not quite ready, "we will assess, almost there, another week or two" we have previously been fed after a reported "niggle".
You'll be telling me next that keeping injuries secret isn't the brilliant tactical manoeuvre to outwit the opposition that it was made out to be.
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I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna
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I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna
A little bit risky under the circumstances...
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Yeah, long term absences are already an issue.
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Yeah, long term absences are already an issue.
At least we would have a definite return date.
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Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.
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Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.
Yep - he will also miss the AFCON, which is a bonus.
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Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.
Yep - he will also miss the AFCON, which is a bonus.
At least 3 months SG confirmed today.
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12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.
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we've gone from the days of "Jack will be back next week" but missing for months, to revealing the length of injury lay-offs.
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He has been decent and tidy under SG. But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
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Get well soon Marv.
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He has been decent and tidy under SG. But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
... against a shit opponent.
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we've gone from the days of "Jack will be back next week" but missing for months, to revealing the length of injury lay-offs.
Yeah that super successful secret tactic of not giving the opposition any information and keeping them guessing that people were banging on about
has not been fully appreciated by Gerrard just yet
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I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna
A little bit risky under the circumstances...
I have clearly missed a news story hear. What are the circumstances?
Football-wise, that is a great deal for both clubs.
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He has been decent and tidy under SG. But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
When we were playing the worst team in the league by a country mile you mean?
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I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna
A little bit risky under the circumstances...
I have clearly missed a news story hear. What are the circumstances?
Football-wise, that is a great deal for both clubs.
Bissouma is currently on bail for sexual assault.
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He has been decent and tidy under SG. But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
When we were playing the worst team in the league by a country mile you mean?
People are entitled to believe we are a better side without "Nakka" as Gerrard brilliantly referred to him last week. When we're going for the jugular and need to impose ourselves, JJ/Meatball/Luiz with Goodday ahead of them makes more sense. I'd also expect Morgan to take this opportunity to get ahead of Marvelous in the midfield queue.
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Who would have thought 6 months ago that we would be lamenting the loss of the injured Marvelous Nakamba?
What goes around, comes around I guess.
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12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.
Was looking to see if we had an idea when he's back and this seems to cover it. No updates since then?
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12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.
Was looking to see if we had an idea when he's back and this seems to cover it. No updates since then?
Gerrard mentioned him briefly in the press conference saying it’s still a long term injury.
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The reality is that we won't see him again this season, which is a shame.
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It’s truly amazing how much we have missed Marv. Our midfield has no balance now. We miss that one player who defends the back four. And critically, who we can rely on to do the dirty work, win back possession and break up attacks.
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How many times have we seen this happen? A player becomes very important and then gets crocked.
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It’s truly amazing how much we have missed Marv. Our midfield has no balance now. We miss that one player who defends the back four. And critically, who we can rely on to do the dirty work, win back possession and break up attacks.
True dat.
Chambers will do it. Mark my words.
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If Chambers can do it he would have been playing that position vs Watford with hause in at centre half. SG rated Luiz as the best available player again despite knowing he was shit in that position
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Marvelous Nakamba is three to four weeks away from a return.
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Good news, could be back for U23s vs Stoke and then Spuds…
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Good news, could be back for U23s vs Stoke and then Spuds…
Starting tonight.
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Played quite well for an hour.
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Played quite well for an hour.
That's good to hear Dave.
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12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.
Don't see that very often. The club giving timescales on how long a player will be out and then them turning out to be about right.
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Presumably, we're on Steve-time now, not Deano-time!
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Time to step up to speed Marv.
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Gerrard on Marv
"the big frustration was that Marvelous Nakamba couldn't carry on because he asked to be changed We knew he would run out of steam at some point and Douglas went into the middle and, obviously, the ball got stolen off him. Maybe with Marv that might not have happened but, look, it is what it is and we have to look after Marv and his body. That's the most important thing"
For me Nakamba good old sort and trier but he's not top level and his passing is ropey as heck. Sloppy on the ball and was lacking composure at times when in possession.
He's ok as back up but I can tell SG wants an upgrade.
Would also put him in part fault for the equaliser in being far to keen to get to the ball his lack of balance saw him tackle and kick ball right off Mings who if left uninterrupted would have atoned for his initial slip/tread. This comes with players being more in kin with another Marv there did not favours and contributed as does his giving ball away to opposition Keita I think nearly scoring from edge of area.
Now he doing basics right at times and coaches looking to improve him but he's not really a good enough football player for us starting next season against top half teams in the way Gerrad wants to play.
Place in the squad yes and marvellous chap by nature and name. Just how I see him.
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Agreed, 100%.
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I notice he's 28 and 29 in January. I don't know how much more he can improve may have given some benefit even if he was at 26 but no not even sure he belongs in squad now. Rather see Iroegbunam and Chambers as back up to new signing DM And 5 sub opportunity. And so imperative we bring in a number 6 to take his place.
At a push let him have one last season and be one of the back up but Iroegbunam could fulfill that role and good example of pathway to first team by integrating Tim. Marvelous can go by my reckoning.
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I thought he played very well last night apart from a couple of wayward passes. We were definitely better with him on the pitch that off it.
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I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.
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He made the 10 yard box in front of the penalty area his own personal killzone, no Liverpool player that entered it came out with the ball.
He's limited, but he's a fucking brilliant ball winner.
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A bit of ring rust certainly, but we looked weaker when he was off. I like Marvelous. He's a perfect back up option in that 6 to what I hope will be the inevitable new signing we need. Conversely, Douglas is much better in the 8 position and clearly prefers it.
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It’s no surprise that both SJM and Doug play so much better with Marv in the team.
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I don’t reckon there’s a better ball winner in the prem
You just laugh sometimes at some of the things he does because they seem a bit unbelievable
He’s the best at ball winning but unfortunately he’s not the best at anything else
That bit last night in the first half where he wins the ball absolute class bit of play moves forward looking accomplished and passes it straight to one of theirs who nearly scores with a shot is Nakamba in a nutshell
You can’t help but love him
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Maybe we should train him to kick for touch as soon as he wins it. Might cause us fewer problems.
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The fact that we look better with a proper DM shows how valuable the position is to the way Gerrard wants us to play. Nakamba has done very well for us but in truth he should be no more than the back up DM. We need to get ourselves a really good one.
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I notice he's 28 and 29 in January.
Tempus doesn't half fugit these days, Footy!
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It was lovely to see him back where he belongs and I thought he played well too, hopefully to start again on Sunday.
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Before he got injured I was really surprised at how good Nakamba's passing was, in Gerrard's early games. I'd not really seen that in him before. I'm not trying to make out he is world class or anything but he can definitely do a job. He seems to really ping it with pace which can sort of force the tempo a bit. He sent one at Watkins in the Liverpool game, which of course Watkins failed to control: Some of Nakamba's wayward passing in that game I think was down to players not being on the same wavelength.
We have obviously been linked with a fair few DMs now - I'd be more than happy for Nakamba to stay and be back up.
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I really like Nakamba, there is a decent footballer in there.
But let’s not forget the previous 2.5 yers where he has been in and mostly out of the side.
I don’t think he’s the permanent answer to our DCM problem.
But, Gerrard wants at least 2 top players for each position.
I’d love to see us bring Bissouma in as our first choice with Marv as his backup.
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A good squad player. I’d like us to bring in a DM that can successfully pass the ball. We struggle with that from our midfield. Too many misplaced passes.
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I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.
He did. He's always moving, hunting the ball down. Luiz, by comparison, just shuffles about, watches it and tires to block or intercept (and often gives silly fouls away 20-25 yards out.
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I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.
He did. He's always moving, hunting the ball down. Luiz, by comparison, just shuffles about, watches it and tires to block or intercept (and often gives silly fouls away 20-25 yards out.
I think he's improved this season becuase he does run around as much as he was before. He struggled, and was written off by many (me included) because he couldn't pass and he didn't make us much better defensively to make up for it, this year he's playing with a lot more positional discipline and is much better for it.
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The fact that we look better with a proper DM shows how valuable the position is to the way Gerrard wants us to play. Nakamba has done very well for us but in truth he should be no more than the back up DM. We need to get ourselves a really good one.
100% agree. Marv fine as back up, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI.
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Naka as he's called really isn't up to standard giving ball away needlessly time and again in matches.
McGinn and Ramsey say he's the slowest in the squad.
Glad he was subbed
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Utterly useless, both him and Luiz. They need replacing over the summer if we want to progress. Gives the ball away far too often, although he gets a foot in too. However, just not good enough.
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Great player
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Our best player today.
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Sometimes he is neat and tidy.
Sometimes he is utterly rubbish.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
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He’s part of the problem that out midfield isn’t very good at anything. Bang average at best.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.
A neutral perspective if I may. Moving forward, we need better. He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.
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Poor Morgan Sanson. What does he have to do to get a look-in? Presumably at this stage a move back to France has already been agreed.
He probably has voodoo dolls of Luiz and McGinn in his 6th bedroom, presumably Naka will be added soon.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.
A neutral perspective if I may. Moving forward, we need better. He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.
S67 is a good voice of reason and I personally find he writes here with good sense and fairness. He explains well what many think and likely what Gerrard thinks and in all these exchanges I think he nails the sentiment regards Naka not being in our midfield next season.
Up the Villa!
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A neutral perspective if I may. Moving forward, we need better. He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.
S67 is a good voice of reason and I personally find he writes here with good sense and fairness.
That's why we call him 'Woodrow Wyatt' and I agree with him on this.
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Thought he played quite well but did start giving the ball away shortly before being subbed. Certainly played better than Luiz imo.
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Nakamba makes us better when he plays. Which means when we get in a similar player of a higher calibre we should be better again.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
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I think he gave the ball away once.
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I think he gave the ball away once.
According to Whoscored, our loss of possession stats were as follows:
Marv - 1
McGinn - 5
Luiz - 4
Ings - 4
The only thing with Marv was that it was in a dangerous area on the edge of the area. Other than that he pretty much did his job. The other midfielders, not so much.
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There was at least a couple of occasions when I'd have put money on him losing it like he used to once he'd won it, but he strode away with it into a little bit of space he made for himself and laid it off. That's an aspect of his game he's worked on and massively improved.
Nakamba was a long way from being the problem with our midfield yesterday. We were too deep the entire game. What's the point of having Coutinho in your side if he's having to drop onto your centre-halves to get the ball? There'd be one if your midfield pushed up to your forwards, but they didn't. They just sat in a line 15 yards in front of the back four like puddings.
Nah, the blokes in the 6 & 7 shirts have way more to answer for yesterday than Nakamba.
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Marv is ok. It's his second game back after a 5 month lay off, it's a lot to ask for him to hit the ground running and play 2 games in 5 days.
But lets not forget he was never that good in the first place. A lot of hope was placed on him after a handful of decent games when Gerrard first joined, but he hadn't been good enough for two seasons to hold down a place it what most of us have considered to be our most problem position for some time. It's a lot to expect for him to go from Luiz's DM understudy to prime Kante.
I quite like him, he's a decent squad player. His better performances have shown just what we're missing and what we could be (and should have been if the recruitment team had done their job in the last 3-4 windows). But he's not the answer. I'd like us to get two quality players in who can play a lone DM or double pivot role to give us depth and tactical options going forward. Philips and B Kamara or Bissouma would do me.
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So many Nakamba knockers during the match thread. I was a lone supporter
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I think he gave the ball away once.
According to Whoscored, our loss of possession stats were as follows:
Marv - 1
McGinn - 5
Luiz - 4
Ings - 4
The only thing with Marv was that it was in a dangerous area on the edge of the area. Other than that he pretty much did his job. The other midfielders, not so much.
Our midfield just didn't click this weekend.
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It was flat. We seem to allow opponents so much space and time to play through us, whilst being pressed and closed down ourselves. The shape improved with Ramsey and Buendia filling the gaps a bit more.
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How many seasons has the DM conundrum being going for now? It's glaringly obvious that a top DM has been needed. Smith should've addressed it last summer. SG tried in January but the right player wasn't available unless you paid silly money. This summer is absolutely vital get that player......
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
Marv was the only Villa midfielder doing his job properly yesterday.
Let down a little by those around him not doing theirs.
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The pivot position is a thankless task. I remember people saying we shouldn't play Petrov because he only ever passed the ball backwards or sideways.
Then think of the Galactico Real Madrid team where only Makelele's teammates appreciated what he gave the side.
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Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.
And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
Marv was the only Villa midfielder doing his job properly yesterday.
Let down a little by those around him not doing theirs.
McGinn and Luiz have 5 goals between them this season. That's not enough from two midfield regulars if you want to be getting closer to that top 8.
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One thing can probably take is a defensive midfielder from Belgian league isn't meeting required standard for a top 6 top 8 or even top half team in the Prem.
Naka won the league at the dominant club Brugge but the jump in level is too big for him to take us to the next level.
File him with Target Hourihane Steer as players who simply had to be upgraded
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This guy is fucking shit. Please piss off in the summer - now that would be marvellous.
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That is the worst cameo I have ever seen. Ruined our shape, misplaced passes and slow to the loose ball.
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Isnomarvelous
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Take PC off for Nakamba…and it all goes to shit. Entirely predictable.
This guy is not a footballer by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who thinks this guy is up to it really needs their head read. You can’t complain how bad we are, how many games we lose, say our players aren’t good enough…yet justify this guy being good enough to be part of our squad let alone fit enough to wear the shirt in any Villa game. You can’t have it both ways.
Total shit. Get rid.
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If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.
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Turds need flushing. Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush. I hope we address our midfield this summer. Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe. Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.
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If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.
Aye, there is that.
But still.
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As I have said on this thread previously, there is a reason he’s been in and ( mostly) out of the team for 3 years. It’s because he’s not very good.
Not even a squad player for where we want to get to.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
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midfield isn't good enough by a long shot - Nakamba does improve the side because he's the only player who can do that job - however, he doesn't do it well enough, and needs upgrading.
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Turds need flushing. Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush. I hope we address our midfield this summer. Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe. Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.
Maybe our manager hadn't got s clue how to organise a midfield regardless of personnel.
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Turds need flushing. Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush. I hope we address our midfield this summer. Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe. Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.
Maybe our manager hadn't got s clue how to organise a midfield regardless of personnel.
Well we'll never know until he gets some decent midfielders. McGinn and Luiz can happily join Watkins in the same taxi to anywhere else.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
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If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.
Well that didn’t happen and we’ll never know…it’s pointless talking ifs, buts and maybes when it comes to football, but what we do know is that we turned to shit and conceded 3 goals in the process when he brought him on. Nakamba couldn’t shut a corner shop.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
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It was a very logical sub to make. 2 up with twenty minutes left is a very strong position to be and pretty much every manager would've put on a DM for an attacking player to condense space.
Nakamba tries hard but I was a bit bemused by all this fawning about him during his injury like he was the second coming of Kante. He had some good games at start of Gerrard's reign but that's a very small sample size considering he's been here three years.
Think bigger error was not putting Sanson on at same time as his energy would've been very useful to get around the pitch but he obviously has no future here now.
Nakamba only has 12 months left so we will probably let him go otherwise he just blocks Tim's progress.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.
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As I said in another thread, the likes of Nakamba were brought in after promotion to help us stay up and consolidate. We have now established ourselves and players like him should be moved on.
I actually didn't realise he was 28, I had him down for about 25-26.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.
Yeh. I misread that. Let’s hope we can build a complete side to keep our best over the next few years. Then again we’ve always said that and still not managed it.
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It was a very logical sub to make. 2 up with twenty minutes left is a very strong position to be and pretty much every manager would've put on a DM for an attacking player to condense space.
Nakamba tries hard but I was a bit bemused by all this fawning about him during his injury like he was the second coming of Kante. He had some good games at start of Gerrard's reign but that's a very small sample size considering he's been here three years.
Think bigger error was not putting Sanson on at same time as his energy would've been very useful to get around the pitch but he obviously has no future here now.
Nakamba only has 12 months left so we will probably let him go otherwise he just blocks Tim's progress.
Didn't realise he only had 12 months left, I'd agree he'll be leaving in the summer then. I guess he hasn't been offered a new one? I can see Gerrard having a bit of a clear out in the midfield department. I think Luiz and Sanson will be off too. Hopefully this will give some of the younger players like Chuck more game time.
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I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.
Yeh. I misread that. Let’s hope we can build a complete side to keep our best over the next few years. Then again we’ve always said that and still not managed it.
The city, united move is inevitable.
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No release clause that I'm aware of, so we should soak the tw*ts for £200m this time.
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He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….
https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/
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He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….
https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/
That's wonderful.
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He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….
https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/
That's wonderful.
Yes that's brilliant, what a top man.
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The athletic seemed to suggest that Nakamaba is one that can be moved on. Looking to raise funds or release some wages.
Guilbert, El Ghazi, Traoré also surplus.
Sanson out too if Villa did bring in another midfielder.
SG 6 months analysis of Marvelous means his time is up!
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Well we've got Kamara who can do the same job but actually play football, plus Iroegbunam as back up.
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We’ve got to thin the squad to create room for better players and also the likes of Tim. As much as I like his character Marvellous is a roadblock to that happening.
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Apparently Forest and Fulham were in for Naka before the deadline:
https://www.herald.co.zw/forest-fulham-in-race-to-sign-nakamba/
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Who weren’t Forest in for?
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Is he still injured?
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No, that was last season.
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Marv and Morgan both on the bench this week. Does that suggest they are being reintegrated? (couldn’t come up with a suitable antonym for “bomb squad”). Or put back in shop window for the transfer window.
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Wouldn't it have made more sense to do that when the window was actually open?!
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Yes, you might have thought so. Best defer to a commercial whizz like Purslow to explain.
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I was watching Marv at half time in the Soton game, his skills were amazing.
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It was nice to see young Nakamba get a few minutes against Chelsea. We have him for another 18 months, but if we don't see him playing a part I hope we let him move on in January or the summer.
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He is a player whose ability I started to appreciate when there was so much failure in the CDM role. Granted, he is limited as a footballer, but I certainly started to appreciate him when he was doing the job he was purchased for. I would still sell him & start to utilise Iroegbunam more in the first team squad, but my view of Nakamba has changed a little.
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He's being doing a hell of a lot of putting his hand in his pocket to help folk in Africa and set-up various foundations, according to Pravda.
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Nakamba is having a medical at a Luton according to John Percy
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Good luck to him, a wholehearted if limited player. Will always remember him trying to snap that Man City player in half at Wembley with one of the best tackles you'll ever see. Good luck Marv.
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Good luck to him, a wholehearted if limited player. Will always remember him trying to snap that Man City player in half at Wembley with one of the best tackles you'll ever see. Good luck Marv.
I woke up to the photo of that this morning, my mate had sent it to me on whatsap. The best of luck to him and I'm doubly happy as it looked last night like he might be going to the Albion and we can't have that.
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Good luck to him, a wholehearted if limited player. Will always remember him trying to snap that Man City player in half at Wembley with one of the best tackles you'll ever see. Good luck Marv.
This x 10. I could watch that tackle all day long.
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Yeah good luck Marv. Think he should do well in the Championship and wish him well.
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That’s a great signing for Luton.
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Good luck to him, a wholehearted if limited player. Will always remember him trying to snap that Man City player in half at Wembley with one of the best tackles you'll ever see. Good luck Marv.
Yes, that was brilliant.
Wish him all the best. Reckon he'll do brilliantly there.
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https://twitter.com/act19833/status/1620353884341563392?t=uC1WPWRuBnd6WNN31swmLg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/act19833/status/1620353884341563392?t=uC1WPWRuBnd6WNN31swmLg&s=19)
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I like Marvellous a lot, he's a proper good guy to boot. Not good enough with the ball for where we want to be, but his tackling and harrying is really good. I've no doubt he'll do really well for Luton.
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Good move for him and no real loss for us given he's not played all season. I hopeit goes well for him because he comes across as a genuinely great guy who is really just a victim of us outgrowing him as a club.
I think Raikhy can step up as a bench option for this season (and maybe AJ Ramsey when he's fit). Then in the summer we'll have Tim back as well and I suspect we'll go in for Guendouzi as well.
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I'd expect him to be very good at that level and will be a great signing for Luton. I'm surprised half the league weren't looking at him, would improve any side down there.
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Is it a loan or a sale?
I liked him once he settled in as initially he was far too loose making a pass. I guess Emery wants more consistency from the squad in all areas which is the way we must go.
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He's too good for Luton.
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Yes he is that’s a horrible move for him.
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He's too good for Luton.
I'd agree. Though they are pushing for promotion, only out of the play off spots on goal difference, and they have the 3rd fewest defeats this season behind the top 2.
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He's too good for Luton.
Totally agree - bit shocked by that move to be honest.
I would of kept him for cover if nothing else
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We rejected Forest in the summer so it's a shame he hasn't got a Prem move.
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He's too good for Luton.
Totally agree - bit shocked by that move to be honest.
I would of kept him for cover if nothing else
Cover? What’s that? We’re not bothering with cover, because nothing ever goes wrong…
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He's too good for Luton.
Yeah but the other choice was The Hawthorns, so, you know?
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Nakamba barely gets on the bench, couldn't even get on against Stevenage. He wasn't even cover at the end.
He blossomed in Gerrard's honeymoon period, the gaffer liked him and called him Naka. He got a bad injury and never played again. It's a cruel and shit business.
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Nakamba barely gets on the bench, couldn't even get on against Stevenage. He wasn't even cover at the end.
He blossomed in Gerrard's honeymoon period, the gaffer liked him and called him Naka. He got a bad injury and never played again. It's a cruel and shit business.
You are Les McQueen and I claim my £5
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A shame about the injury he suffered when he had done very well in his first few games with Gerrard as manager. Good luck Marv, great signing for Luton.
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He's too good for Luton.
Totally agree - bit shocked by that move to be honest.
I would of kept him for cover if nothing else
Cover? What’s that? We’re not bothering with cover, because nothing ever goes wrong…
he's 6th choice, we have Raikhy for that (who was being picked ahead of Nakamba in the friendlies during the WC break).
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Clearly along with others Nakamba isn't up to scratch to play the level of football Emery wants from a midfielder.
Him receiving possession from a goal kick or part of a team that plays out from the back is not ok.
He's a great competing for the ball and competent at recovery.
Absolutely woeful at shooting and not exactly pirlo at passing.
Can do the baiscs so will be successful in the Championship.
He had a fantastic match vs Spurs one time where he did his job to perfection and he's a very good man.
Best of luck to him.
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Would have preferred to have kept him for the summer, but reckon Luton will be a good move for him, a club just one place off of the play offs, plus their manager is an ex Villa player! Wish you well Marv and thanks.
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Nakamba barely gets on the bench, couldn't even get on against Stevenage. He wasn't even cover at the end.
He blossomed in Gerrard's honeymoon period, the gaffer liked him and called him Naka. He got a bad injury and never played again. It's a cruel and shit business.
Naka knee-knack. Knackered.
Here's Steven giving him a hug:
(https://149516130.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/gerrard-and-nakamba.jpeg)
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He was very good under Gerrard initially and helped us get some decent results. He gets injured and once fit again the idiot doesn’t play him again. Despite Kamara still being out injured.
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It's mismanagement again really, should have tried to move him on last summer after he played a decent amount of games last season. He has spent this season failing for most of it to even get on the bench. Limited player but gave his all.
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He's too good for Luton.
Yeah but the other choice was The Hawthorns, so, you know?
It's only a loan isn't it? Gets him game time, gets him fit. And if Luton win tonight they could be third in the Championship with a game in hand. Could be a sensible move for all Parties.
Edit. Quote fail.
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Amazing that our squad players are moving to such lower standards, incredible that these have played at this level really.
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I was always a fan of his. I agree with posters on here in relation to his limitations but he was effective in breaking up play, making interceptions and getting about the oppositions midfield.
More than anything he always seemed to give all he had and he seemed to give a damn something that hasn't always been said about our players in recent years.
Good luck Marvellous.
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Amazing that our squad players are moving to such lower standards, incredible that these have played at this level really.
Its good Emery is clearing out those not deemed good enough for where we are going!
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In off the break.
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Nakamba was probably our best ball winning midfielder for a while, he'd run his goolies off to win the ball to a rapturous applause from the crowd acknowledging his effort, only for a huge groan when he then gave the ball away because he couldn't make a simple 10 yard pass. Not good enough sadly.
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Best of luck to him, hope he gets a decent move after this.
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Hard to have anything negative to say about the guy. He was limited in his abilities, but always gave his all when he played and did so with a smile on his face. Seemed like a really good "team" guy as well, never complained about playing time and was always one of the faces you would see when some of the players did hospital visits or charity work. Good luck Marv.
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Nakamba is a great person really decent guy but nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
I thought he would miss against Chelsea in the league Cup shoot out and I think he would again today in the play off final
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When he took a penalty was the first time I realised he was left footed.
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He's a very poor shooter of a footballer but that's not his strength as he's great at tackling and combat however if he scores it would be indeed marvellous!
Good Luck to him. He has God on his side and hope his prayers will be answered.
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He scored!
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He scored!
Marvellous wasn't it !
So pleased for him!
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I wonder if Luton Town may now buy Nakamba. I can't think they have the biggest budget and may also look at opting to loan some players including maybe other Villa players?
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Well done Marv & Luton!
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He'll have been watched by a number of scouts in the last few weeks and won't have done himself any garm.
If Luton don't come in with an offer, others will.
Really pleased for him that his time at Luton has been successful.
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Yep, deserves to get a move somewhere he’ll play.
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No less than £15m for Nakamba.
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No less than £15m for Nakamba.
;D
I reckon £3-4m with a year left on his contract. I hope we don’t price him out of a move.
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No less than £15m for Nakamba.
;D
I reckon £3-4m with a year left on his contract. I hope we don’t price him out of a move.
Yes 15m if it wasn't for only one year left. And Yes I also see his value is around £3m-£4m but in real terms and to be in the Prem therefore I think we can squeeze £8m
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No less than £15m for Nakamba.
;D
I reckon £3-4m with a year left on his contract. I hope we don’t price him out of a move.
Yes 15m if it wasn't for only one year left. And Yes I also see his value is around £3m-£4m but in real terms and to be in the Prem therefore I think we can squeeze £8m
Footie, are you a bank manager? ;)
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Congrats to the Marvelous Marv and to Luton! What a fairytale! Nice to see there is still some romance in the game.
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No less than £15m for Nakamba.
;D
I reckon £3-4m with a year left on his contract. I hope we don’t price him out of a move.
Yes 15m if it wasn't for only one year left. And Yes I also see his value is around £3m-£4m but in real terms and to be in the Prem therefore I think we can squeeze £8m
They could always go elsewhere and try and find something for less. Big league, big money I’m afraid.
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I'm sure they said Luton only lost 2 out of 18 when Marv played? They'd be mad not to sign him if that's true.
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Brilliant stuff for Marv. Hope he gets a move to Luton in the summer.
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Did anyone else think he was going to miss?
Well done Marvelous.
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There's no option to buy so his options are open. He'll do a job somewhere. Good luck to him, he always gave his all.
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I'm sure they said Luton only lost 2 out of 18 when Marv played? They'd be mad not to sign him if that's true.
Is that a Henri Lansbury and Marvelous Nakamba midfield?
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The Villa squad watching Marvelous take his penalty.
https://twitter.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1662547614565384193?t=QKtSTLsuhZtjRyJSjlhf7A&s=19
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I've obviously not been paying close enough attention to his game, because when I saw him shaping to take the penalty with his left foot I thought 'what's he doing?'.
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Yeah I don’t remember him being left footed either? Then again I don’t really remember him doing much at all, apart from flattening that Man City player in the final, that was majestic.
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Yeah I don’t remember him being left footed either? Then again I don’t really remember him doing much at all, apart from flattening that Man City player in the final, that was majestic.
One of the greatest tackles you'll ever see, and the yellow card from that fat, bald prick Lee Mason was completely out of order.
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The Villa squad watching Marvelous take his penalty.
https://twitter.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1662547614565384193?t=QKtSTLsuhZtjRyJSjlhf7A&s=19
Ollie paying close attention. Maybe Marvelous could teach him a thing or two.
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That looks like they are all one of them dodgy limousines that kids go to prom parties in.
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Young is such a big influence isn't he. Amazing character. I love for him to win a trophy with us next season and then he can retire.
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Poor Marv is currently getting a raw deal on H&V.
Look back to page 62 (and thereabouts) on this thread and he was our saviour until he got knobbled.
He has obviously now fully recovered and I would think twice before letting him go. Could be a very good squad player, especially if we make europe
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Poor Marv is currently getting a raw deal on H&V.
Look back to page 62 (and thereabouts) on this thread and he was our saviour until he got knobbled.
He has obviously now fully recovered and I would think twice before letting him go. Could be a very good squad player, especially if we make europe
Gerrard I think use to get frustrated with him as would I. Probably knocked his confidence like SG did with other players.
Yes to be fair even though a limited footballer Emery coaching him effectively would improve his game immeasurably
Good Luck to Marv whatever happens though for me I don't see a place in the squad for him.
However as you say he could be effective in European conference level games in the group stages so maybe he might be considered after all
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... nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
His penalty yesterday was excellent.
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Nakamba is a great person really decent guy but nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
I thought he would miss against Chelsea in the league Cup shoot out and I think he would again today in the play off final
His penalty yesterday was exceellent.
He's a very poor shooter of a footballer but that's not his strength as he's great at tackling and combat however if he scores it would be indeed marvellous!
Good Luck to him. He has God on his side and hope his prayers will be answered.
God is always the answer.
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Nakamba is a great person really decent guy but nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
I thought he would miss against Chelsea in the league Cup shoot out and I think he would again today in the play off final
His penalty yesterday was exceellent.
He's a very poor shooter of a footballer but that's not his strength as he's great at tackling and combat however if he scores it would be indeed marvellous!
Good Luck to him. He has God on his side and hope his prayers will be answered.
God is always the answer.
What's the square root of 289?
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What's Paul McGrath got to do, got to do with it?
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The Villa squad watching Marvelous take his penalty.
https://twitter.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1662547614565384193?t=QKtSTLsuhZtjRyJSjlhf7A&s=19
Ash sounds like a constipated seagull
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What's Paul McGrath got to do, got to do with it?
God bless Tina Turner.
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Brilliant, delighted for Marv.
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Nakamba is a great person really decent guy but nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
I thought he would miss against Chelsea in the league Cup shoot out and I think he would again today in the play off final
His penalty yesterday was exceellent.
He's a very poor shooter of a footballer but that's not his strength as he's great at tackling and combat however if he scores it would be indeed marvellous!
Good Luck to him. He has God on his side and hope his prayers will be answered.
God is always the answer.
Wrong. Batman is always the answer.
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The Villa squad watching Marvelous take his penalty.
https://twitter.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1662547614565384193?t=QKtSTLsuhZtjRyJSjlhf7A&s=19
Haha. Ash had the same reaction as most of us. Horror giving way to joy.
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Lovely stuff, that's just added 3m to his price. 8)
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Brilliant, delighted for Marv.
Is that Mick Harford in the suit?
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Brilliant, delighted for Marv.
Is that Mick Harford in the suit?
Yes, he was wearing a suit and Luton tie at the game.
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God is always the answer.
What's the square root of 289?
Trick question, 289 has two square roots.
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Brilliant, delighted for Marv.
Deserves that sheer joy. Beautiful.
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https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1662747459141992449?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Brilliant, delighted for Marv.
Is that Mick Harford in the suit?
Yes.
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Looking well, still has a proper barnet.
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God is always the answer.
What's the square root of 289?
Trick question, 289 has two square roots.
Technically all numbers have 2 square roots.
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That's excellent, well done Marv.
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Do you ever get negative first names? I'd quite like someone being called Irritating Smith.
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Stern John.
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Do you ever get negative first names? I'd quite like someone being called Irritating Smith.
He prefers to be known as Chris these days.*
*Only japing Chris, love you really!
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https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/sport/football/luton-town/lutons-on-loan-aston-villa-midfielder-nakamba-hints-that-his-future-might-be-at-kenilworth-road-4161967 (https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/sport/football/luton-town/lutons-on-loan-aston-villa-midfielder-nakamba-hints-that-his-future-might-be-at-kenilworth-road-4161967)
Let's hope he gets the move and everyone is happy!
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This could be heaven for everyone
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Nakamba is a great person really decent guy but nobody would fancy him to score a penalty I hope for his sake he doesn't take one
I thought he would miss against Chelsea in the league Cup shoot out and I think he would again today in the play off final
His penalty yesterday was exceellent.
He's a very poor shooter of a footballer but that's not his strength as he's great at tackling and combat however if he scores it would be indeed marvellous!
Good Luck to him. He has God on his side and hope his prayers will be answered.
God is always the answer.
Wrong. Batman is always the answer.
Not true, after all, "Who ya gonna call".
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Looking at one of their message boards they seem convinced they'll miss out on him and he'll sign for another PL team.
How long is left on his contract and how much can we expect to get for him, or is there a chance that Emery will want to keep him if we're going to have more games next season.
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Looking at one of their message boards they seem convinced they'll miss out on him and he'll sign for another PL team.
How long is left on his contract and how much can we expect to get for him, or is there a chance that Emery will want to keep him if we're going to have more games next season.
I don't see it, looks like one of those moves that suits everybody involved
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He's got 12 months left.
I think he's good value for them at £3-4m, a bit like when we got Hause after promotion. We didn't see him as a starter, but at £3m for someone who had already settled and we knew we could rely on in a pinch, it was a no-brainer.
I think he was £9m for us, five year deal, so at that price we don't make a loss on FFP and get his wages off the books.
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He's got 12 months left.
I think he's good value for them at £3-4m, a bit like when we got Hause after promotion. We didn't see him as a starter, but at £3m for someone who had already settled and we knew we could rely on in a pinch, it was a no-brainer.
I think he was £9m for us, five year deal, so at that price we don't make a loss on FFP and get his wages off the books.
I think he cost us closer to £11m so we should be looking for more than £3-4m. Doubt we'll get our money back but anything in the £7-10m range would be very good business.
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Yes, knowing Marv has become a key player for them means we should be starting at a higher asking price.
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He's got 12 months left.
I think he's good value for them at £3-4m, a bit like when we got Hause after promotion. We didn't see him as a starter, but at £3m for someone who had already settled and we knew we could rely on in a pinch, it was a no-brainer.
Yeah He's got 12 months left.
I think he's good value for them at £3-4m, a bit like when we got Hause after promotion. We didn't see him as a starter, but at £3m for someone who had already settled and we knew we could rely on in a pinch, it was a no-brainer.
I think he was £9m for us, five year deal, so at that price we don't make a loss on FFP and get his wages off the books.
I think he cost us closer to £11m so we should be looking for more than £3-4m. Doubt we'll get our money back but anything in the £7-10m range would be very good business.
I think he cost us closer to £11m so we should be looking for more than £3-4m. Doubt we'll get our money back but anything in the £7-10m range would be very good business.
Yes, €12 million according to Wiki. This journalist seems to think they'll get him for free, not sure what he's been smoking. Why would we let him go for nothing, would make no sense at all.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/journalist-issues-verdict-on-luton-towns-chances-of-re-signing-aston-villa-player/
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He may have cost £11m but in amortisation terms, he'll be down to c£2.2m on the books. Anything north of that is positive for FFP
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He may have cost £11m but in amortisation terms, he'll be down to c£2.2m on the books. Anything north of that is positive for FFP
The further north it is though, the more positive it is for FFP.
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I suspect it will be around £3m with add-on's if they survive.
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I reckon his price has peaked, at least whilst with us. £5m seems right to me. Ask for too much and I fear we could have an El Ghazi situation where we end up with a non-playing depreciating asset.
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He's not good enough for where we are hopefully heading. Which is a shame as he clearly always gives his best. There were those few games before his injury under SG where he was probably man of the match. But I think keeping him would mean no chance for the likes of Iroegbunam, who will hopefully be given a good assessment pre season.
Goes with best wishes, and a good reception when he plays against us next year
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I suspect it will be around £3m with add-on's if they survive.
So £3m then.
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He may have cost £11m but in amortisation terms, he'll be down to c£2.2m on the books. Anything north of that is positive for FFP
The further north it is though, the more positive it is for FFP.
Not too far north, Marvelous won't want to betray Zimbabwe.
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Smethwick now interested in signing Marvelous. Hopefully the competition for his signature will drive up the price.
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Smethwick now interested in signing Marvelous. Hopefully the competition for his signature will drive up the price.
Not with the financial problems Olbiyun have.
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He should be able to command a move to a PL club. Hopefully Luton can afford him. He's proved he's too good for the second division.
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So Albion's midfield will be Okay and Marvellous?
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So Albion's midfield will be Okay and Marvellous?
Ha, they should appoint Mariano Soso as manager.
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sounds like he is going to luton permanently.
nominal fee involved as he is in the final year of his contract.
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Nominal? Fuck that! They wouldn't have got promoted without him. Make them pay!
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Yeah, I reckon £5m (plus sell on clause) is justified as that’d be a profit in FFP terms yet a decent fee for Luton.
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I hope the deal is done so that he gets a good contract. A lot of what he earns goes to charitable causes.
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Good luck to him if true. Where did that information come from?
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Can’t imagine we’ll be getting more than 1-2m for him based on the contract. Good luck to him - worked out pretty well given he could have ended up retiring from football and playing for Tesco bags a year ago.
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Nakamba was fantastic for luton, many of their fans had him as player of the season. As our club are now fully commercial and happy to play hard with its own supporters, I hope they equally play hard ball with player exit fees . £5m or do one .
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Even £5m is a ridiculously low fee for a player deemed to be good enough by Luton to play in the Premier League. Good luck to him anyway. He did a job for us in his limited way, even as a stand out performer under Gerrard.
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I think Nakamba is certainly worth £5-10m to Luton. He was their best player last season and has a couple of years experience in the Premier league. Didn’t we pay close to £20m when he had no track record in a decent league.
Good luck to him anyway, a thoroughly nice bloke who always did his best and often played well for us.
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£5m is a joke. He's worth £10-15 even with 12 months left, considering his performances in a promoted side, has held his own in the prem and is generally pretty reliable.
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The sticking point was his wages, so whether we have agreed a compromise to make it doable for them, I don’t know.
If no one else was in for him or he was adamant that’s the only club he wanted, then I can see us having cut our losses.
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I think Nakamba is certainly worth £5-10m to Luton. He was their best player last season and has a couple of years experience in the Premier league. Didn’t we pay close to £20m when he had no track record in a decent league.
Good luck to him anyway, a thoroughly nice bloke who always did his best and often played well for us.
Where are you getting £20m from? It was reported as around £9-10m at the time.
£4-5m seems fair to me and would be a small gain in terms of ffp.
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I agree £5m is too low and I don't think we should be doing Luton any favours . Sounds like they are playing the sympathy card
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£5m is a joke. He's worth £10-15 even with 12 months left, considering his performances in a promoted side, has held his own in the prem and is generally pretty reliable.
What a strange career Nakamba had at Villa. Came in just after promotion, when we had that huge turnover in players, so it was always going to be tough and he had to adapt to the PL. I think he kind of goes under the radar, he'll not score goals, probably hardly touch the ball in the final third, he just does the simple stuff breaking up play etc. His best run came under Gerrard imo, at the end of 21, then he got the serious knee injury, thus effectively ending his time at Villa. Certainly worth a lot more than just a 'nominal' fee.
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Good luck to him if true. Where did that information come from?
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-marvelous-nakamba-zimbabwe-25701735
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I think Nakamba is certainly worth £5-10m to Luton. He was their best player last season and has a couple of years experience in the Premier league. Didn’t we pay close to £20m when he had no track record in a decent league.
Good luck to him anyway, a thoroughly nice bloke who always did his best and often played well for us.
Where are you getting £20m from? It was reported as around £9-10m at the time.
£4-5m seems fair to me and would be a small gain in terms of ffp.
Only going off memory so sounds like I’m wrong. I still think he is worth more than is being mooted as a fee though.
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£5m is a joke. He's worth £10-15 even with 12 months left, considering his performances in a promoted side, has held his own in the prem and is generally pretty reliable.
What a strange career Nakamba had at Villa. Came in just after promotion, when we had that huge turnover in players, so it was always going to be tough and he had to adapt to the PL. I think he kind of goes under the radar, he'll not score goals, probably hardly touch the ball in the final third, he just does the simple stuff breaking up play etc. His best run came under Gerrard imo, at the end of 21, then he got the serious knee injury, thus effectively ending his time at Villa. Certainly worth a lot more than just a 'nominal' fee.
The problem is that if Luton are the only club in for him or the only club he's interested in going to and they won't pay that kind of money, what do we do? He's otherwise going to lose us about £2.5m plus his wages this season. If we sold him for £2-3m, it may be below what we could get in an ideal world, but it's still a better deal than him doing nothing with us for a year and still costing us the best part of £5m.
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£5m is a joke. He's worth £10-15 even with 12 months left, considering his performances in a promoted side, has held his own in the prem and is generally pretty reliable.
What a strange career Nakamba had at Villa. Came in just after promotion, when we had that huge turnover in players, so it was always going to be tough and he had to adapt to the PL. I think he kind of goes under the radar, he'll not score goals, probably hardly touch the ball in the final third, he just does the simple stuff breaking up play etc. His best run came under Gerrard imo, at the end of 21, then he got the serious knee injury, thus effectively ending his time at Villa. Certainly worth a lot more than just a 'nominal' fee.
As others have pointed out previously. We didn't lose many whenever he played.
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Like others, I have always rated Marvelous but understand his need to move on. Have a feeling Luton will struggle this year but Marv will be the shining light.
Because of contract position, sell for around 10 million but include a massive 'sell on' clause. There could be a scramble for his signature at end of next season.
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Like others, I have always rated Marvelous but understand his need to move on. Have a feeling Luton will struggle this year but Marv will be the shining light.
Because of contract position, sell for around 10 million but include a massive 'sell on' clause. There could be a scramble for his signature at end of next season.
I really can't see us getting that much, but I'd be happy if we did.
Saying that, I laughed at everyone saying we should charge £10-20m for Chukwuemeka!
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Like others, I have always rated Marvelous but understand his need to move on. Have a feeling Luton will struggle this year but Marv will be the shining light.
Because of contract position, sell for around 10 million but include a massive 'sell on' clause. There could be a scramble for his signature at end of next season.
I really can't see us getting that much, but I'd be happy if we did.
Saying that, I laughed at everyone saying we should charge £10-20m for Chukwuemeka!
I laughed even more when Chelsea paid it.
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I think we paid £8m for Nakamba from memory. It would be nice to recoup that money if he's being moved on.
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Most of that £8m will have been amortised over the course of his contract.
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Most of that £8m will have been amortised over the course of his contract.
We need 25% to avoid making a loss in terms of FFP given he's seen out 3 of the 4 years of his contract. Anything over £2-2.5m is profit on that so we'd be silly to let him go for less than that.
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Quite like what Luton are doing, they aren’t going mad and you’d suspect they’ll bank a lot of the tv money to pay for their new ground. If Marv says that’s where he wants to go or no one has shown interest it’ll be a small fee, perhaps 2/3m? with a sell on clause interjected
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Luton have already asked for their 1st home game to be postponed as the ground works wont have been completed . I think they will do the bare minimum and spend as liitle as possible both on the ground and players and try and keep as much money as possible
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Can't see them financially endangering themselves in a bid to stay up. With parachute money, they could be in really good shape by the time they move to a bigger ground.
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Most of that £8m will have been amortised over the course of his contract.
We need 25% to avoid making a loss in terms of FFP given he's seen out 3 of the 4 years of his contract. Anything over £2-2.5m is profit on that so we'd be silly to let him go for less than that.
Not quite. Assuming he's on £20k per week, that's a million in wages saved as well so anything north of £1m is FFP profit
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Local rumour here in Bedfordshire is that the deal is done and Marvelous will be named as a Luton player tomorrow or Friday. Fee will probably not be disclosed.
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Local rumour here in Bedfordshire is that the deal is done and Marvelous will be named as a Luton player tomorrow or Friday. Fee will probably not be disclosed.
Really pleased for him, he seems a humble guy and does a lot of good, he deserves to be somewhere he can play and where they love him.
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Good for him, he will get loads of game time next season. Don't think he is PL standard to be honest with his limitations on the ball but decent signing for Luton all the same.
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I think he is PL standard, if your game is based around a style that he fits in to. He had a ridiculously long run with us where we didn't concede a goal with him on the pitch. He's not shit, we're just now in a place where we need something more from a central midfielder. We need people that will dominate and dictate play, and that's not him.
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There were a few games under Gerard where I thought he was easily MOM. Which possibly says more about where we were at the time
But he gave his all. We can’t say he ever let us down. Comes over as a really humble and nice bloke. Equally, not good enough for where we hope to be this year.
One of those players that gets , i hope, an amazing reception when he plays at VP this season
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There were a few games under Gerard where I thought he was easily MOM. Which possibly says more about where we were at the time
But he gave his all. We can’t say he ever let us down. Comes over as a really humble and nice bloke. Equally, not good enough for where we hope to be this year.
One of those players that gets , i hope, an amazing reception when he plays at VP this season
Agree with all that, best of luck to him!
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I like him, he's a decent player on his day, although prob not PL level, and is by all accounts a top bloke.
Good work for charidee etc etc.
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There were a few games under Gerard where I thought he was easily MOM. Which possibly says more about where we were at the time
But he gave his all. We can’t say he ever let us down. Comes over as a really humble and nice bloke. Equally, not good enough for where we hope to be this year.
One of those players that gets , i hope, an amazing reception when he plays at VP this season
Yes completely agree with all this. Good luck Marv
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I still like to search up his tackle in the League Cup final once in a while as well. Full-blooded is a bit of a euphemism to be honest.
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I still like to search up his tackle in the League Cup final once in a while as well. Full-blooded is a bit of a euphemism to be honest.
Brilliant tackle that was which he was rewarded with a yellow card for I think for having the temerity to take the ball off a Ci£y player
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All the best Marv, you'll get a warm welcome, when you return to VP.
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Best of luck, Marv.
Think he's a brilliant signing for Luton, will really help them defensively. Wouldn't look out of place at a mid table Premier League side at all.
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Wonder who they can loan now that leaves a gap?
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Like others, I have always rated Marvelous but understand his need to move on. Have a feeling Luton will struggle this year but Marv will be the shining light.
Because of contract position, sell for around 10 million but include a massive 'sell on' clause. There could be a scramble for his signature at end of next season.
I really can't see us getting that much, but I'd be happy if we did.
Saying that, I laughed at everyone saying we should charge £10-20m for Chukwuemeka!
I laughed even more when Chelsea paid it.
I've laughed even more to think that Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Ramsey, and Tielemans combined cost less than we got for him!
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I still like to search up his tackle in the League Cup final once in a while as well. Full-blooded is a bit of a euphemism to be honest.
Brilliant tackle that was which he was rewarded with a yellow card for I think for having the temerity to take the ball off a Ci£y player
I've watched that clip a few times over the last few days, super tackle that.
And I like him a lot, he is good enough for Premier League football, just not at the level we aspire to be.
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Marv gone to Luton. Official now
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Yes, just spotted that. Wish him all the best, good lad and ok for a team just hoping to stay up.
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"undisclosed fee"
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Marvelous. ;D
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"undisclosed fee"
that don't sound good
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Wish him all the best and thank him for his service.
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I quite liked the Luton announcement on Twitter.
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What is Luton's record transfer fee, half a million and a bag of pork scratchings for Mick Harford in 1991?
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Always liked him and thought we were better with him in the team than without, before we got good. Fuck knows if stats back that up.
As others have said, he seems a really good egg with his charity work, and it was only a couple of days ago I was watching that tackle back again. An absolute beauty.
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I quite liked the Luton announcement on Twitter.
Yeh it’s nicely done
https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1682050425669681152?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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All the best to Marvellous, he's a thoroughly decent man with everything he does for his home town and has never let us down open the pitch either.
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I quite liked the Luton announcement on Twitter.
Yeh it’s nicely done
https://twitter.com/lutontown/status/1682050425669681152?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Just disappointing that we didn't come up with that tune as a song for him.
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All the best Marvelous....you were...well...great at times, ok at others but always played with a big heart. I really hope things work out well for you.
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All the best, Thank you for effort, I have to say i did like him.
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Cheers Marvelous, all the best
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Farewell tweet:
https://twitter.com/Nakamba_11/status/1682080761514545153?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Nakamba_11/status/1682080761514545153?s=20)
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Farewell tweet:
https://twitter.com/Nakamba_11/status/1682080761514545153?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Nakamba_11/status/1682080761514545153?s=20)
Godspeed old boy.
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
El Ghazi probably
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Good luck to him, not quite good enough with the ball to go where want to but great at what he does and a genuinely top bloke with how he's chosen to use his fame and riches.
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
McCormack?
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My Luton fan friend is ecstatic!
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Good luck to the lad.
Always put in 100% & its great what he does with his wages.
I hope his career takes off with more games... 👍
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
El Ghazi probably
Hourihane
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
El Ghazi probably
Hourihane
Grealish maybe
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Good luck Marv.
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Do do doooooooo.....Marvellous Nakamba.
Great pro, brave as a lion, all the best
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See ya!
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Good person not a marvellous player.Nakamba seems to be doing charity work by moving to Luton.
Well respected in club and McGinn went over by invitation this summer
Very good to go there and experience things.
Good luck they will need it.
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
The last time he scored a goal was seven years ago in the Dutch first division! He's got 3 in his entire career!
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
The last time he scored a goal was seven years ago in the Dutch first division! He's got 3 in his entire career!
I'm still in awe the way he dispatched that penalty in the play offs
But only danger he has against us is injuring someone.
God bless him he likes to compete and good for Luton solid signing for them.
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Can't remember the last time a player left with such good will towards him.
El Ghazi probably
Ashley Young Mk II.
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
The last time he scored a goal was seven years ago in the Dutch first division! He's got 3 in his entire career!
nice. You've done it now. Hattrick at Villa Park incoming.
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
The last time he scored a goal was seven years ago in the Dutch first division! He's got 3 in his entire career!
I'm still in awe the way he dispatched that penalty in the play offs
But only danger he has against us is injuring someone.
God bless him he likes to compete and good for Luton solid signing for them.
That pen was the first time I realised he was left footed.
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Best wishes Marvelous. Just don't do anything silly against us this season like scoring, unless it's an own goal.
The last time he scored a goal was seven years ago in the Dutch first division! He's got 3 in his entire career!
I'm still in awe the way he dispatched that penalty in the play offs
But only danger he has against us is injuring someone.
God bless him he likes to compete and good for Luton solid signing for them.
That pen was the first time I realised he was left footed.
First time he lived up to marvellous in an attacking sense
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Bloody awful player.
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That's just not true. He was fine, limited but fine.
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He’d play one decent game in 6. The rest of the time he hid from the game or was like a puppy with a ballon.
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See ya!
Cool...cold?
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Bloody awful player.
Harsh...true?
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He’d play one decent game in 6. The rest of the time he hid from the game or was like a puppy with a ballon.
I don't agree that he hid, I always felt he was solid at getting the ball. I do agree that he was like a puppy with a balloon when he had it, though.
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Bloody awful player.
was starting to play well under carpet head prior to the knee injury
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He’d play one decent game in 6. The rest of the time he hid from the game or was like a puppy with a ballon.
How cruel football fans can be. Maybe true but the bluntness is what sets football fans apart.
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Do we know the fee?
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Do we know the fee?
May as well have been free, no fee.
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A nicer version of NRC.
Like most players that have moved on over the last few years I wish him well. I think the reason we've wished so many well is that with a couple of notable exceptions, we've been moving on and outgrowing the players rather than they are ditching us. Along with after what felt like years of having some absolute twats playing for us, it's been mainly good sorts that have represented us well on and off the pitch.
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A nicer version of NRC.
Like most players that have moved on over the last few years I wish him well. I think the reason we've wished so many well is that with a couple of notable exceptions, we've been moving on and outgrowing the players rather than they are ditching us. Along with after what felt like years of having some absolute twats playing for us, it's been mainly good sorts that have represented us well on and off the pitch.
Well said
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There’s always an end to everything, good things as well. My time at Aston Villa has come to an end. I would like to thank the fans as they are the most important part of the club. A special thanks to the current and previous technical staff and all my team mates. UTV 💜
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Good luck, Marv!
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There’s always an end to everything, good things as well. My time at Aston Villa has come to an end. I would like to thank the fans as they are the most important part of the club. A special thanks to the current and previous technical staff and all my team mates. UTV 💜
Class act.
All the best Marv - one of many who in the last 5 years have re-made the club and is in a much better place.
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Nakamba is yet to appear on Luton’s list record arrivals, but their fortunes over the past 30 years is well illustrated by the fact that 54-year old Phil Gray still features twice in the top ten:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/luton-town/transferrekorde/verein/1031
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That tackle of Aguero was magnificent.
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Aguero still in the air. Brilliant
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Paul Walsh is still high in their list of most expensive signings. They signed him 2 months after we won the European Cup.
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I went to kenilworth road in 86 to watch us lose 0-2 , and I used to work near the ground. The pictures don't do it justice, it's far far worse than it looks . As is luton . Cesspit.
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I went to kenilworth road in 86 to watch us lose 0-2 , and I used to work near the ground. The pictures don't do it justice, it's far far worse than it looks . As is luton . Cesspit.
Greetings from Luton.
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I went to kenilworth road in 86 to watch us lose 0-2 , and I used to work near the ground. The pictures don't do it justice, it's far far worse than it looks . As is luton . Cesspit.
This is about Marv and he genuinely deserves some good will.
Unless we are turning into fans with the grace of Man City ones, that is.
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No bad will to Marv at all, apology was reliving my luton life . No bad to the folk of luton or Dunstable either , I'm sure they speak equally highly of Brumagham
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24 hours in police custody is ace.
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24 hours in police custody is ace.
Thats the best thing to come out of Luton since the M1