Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2019, 11:37:42 AM
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#avfc have agreed a £8.75m deal with Turkish club Kasimpasa for Trezeguet, the Egypt international. Understand the deal for the winger includes significant add-ons. Trezeguet will have a medical this weekend
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2019, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
Will this need a work permit too? Hopefully a great deal for the club, good age, good pace and hopefully exciting.
Wouldn’t have thought so he has played 41 games for Egypt.
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2019, 11:56:48 AM
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2019, 12:04:58 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 12:13:18 PM
Will this need a work permit too? Hopefully a great deal for the club, good age, good pace and hopefully exciting.
Wouldn’t have thought so he has played 41 games for Egypt.
He still needs a work permit. He may get one automatically based on caps earned. For teams that are 31-50 players need to have played in 75% of their matches in the preceding two years.
Egypt are currently ranked 57 but have been, I think, in the top fifty for most of the last two years which, I assume, makes him eligible for an automatic work permit.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 20, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 20, 2019, 02:32:09 PM
Significant add-ons? How much, like...can't we ever just get a bona-fide bargain without the future penalty for improving a player?
Yeah, SJM !
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 02:36:07 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 20, 2019, 02:37:21 PM
Hibs have a sell-on clause...
Doh, wasn't aware of that.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
Hope this is true. Still want one more winger, if I'm being fussy. But he sounds good 😊
x=n+1, where x is how many wingers you think we should have, and n represents the number of wingers on Villa's books at any given moment. Ever.
That about right?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2019, 04:47:57 PM
skint your eyes and he reminds me of Figo :)
I was just about to post the same. A little less chunky but very similar in style.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Worth a gamble I think.
Post by: not3bad on July 20, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
El Ghazi, Jota, this new guy, Green = 4?
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.I’d keep green for emergencies as well
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
There must be times when someone runs out of fags, so he could be the one they send down the shops to get some.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2019, 05:26:45 PM
If Kodjia is kept as a back up he can obviously play wide in a front three. Does feel an area where we're a bit light in but Bolasie went mid season without being replaced and we got by o.k with Adomah, Green and El Ghazi being the three options from January.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
El Ghazi, Jota, this new guy, Green = 4?
Jota is attacking midfielder isn't he? Does he play on the wing?
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
Significant add-ons? How much, like...can't we ever just get a bona-fide bargain without the future penalty for improving a player?
This is the Premier League - Wake up!!
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
Done alright in Turkey, 25 goals in just over 70 games is very good scoring ratio for wide player whatever league you're in.
Worth a gamble I think.
Less than £10m is not a gamble in the Premier League.
Post by: Brassneck on July 20, 2019, 05:38:35 PM
We also don’t know for certain whether we’re going to play with 2 traditional wingers.
I suspect that as mentioned elsewhere, it’s possible that another striker could also join this window who has the ability to play wide.
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
El Ghazi, Jota, this new guy, Green = 4?
Jota is attacking midfielder isn't he? Does he play on the wing?
I think he can play centrally but he played on the right the other night and it's where he's played most of his career.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
Done alright in Turkey, 25 goals in just over 70 games is very good scoring ratio for wide player whatever league you're in.
Worth a gamble I think.
Less than £10m is not a gamble in the Premier League.
Well look back to summers 2013 and 2014. Signed loads of players under that price who were simply not good enough and they stagnated us as a club.
Anyway fan of Egyptian National team says this about him:
"Very good player. Electric, pacey and good dribbler. His finishing in front of the goal is very, very frustrating but it can improve. Salah was a terrible finisher at one point. "
Would say bit of that would apply to El Ghazi and he improved a lot in last three months of the season.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 05:53:57 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
El Ghazi, Jota, this new guy, Green = 4?
Jota is attacking midfielder isn't he? Does he play on the wing?
I think he can play centrally but he played on the right the other night and it's where he's played most of his career.
Ah, that's good then. Get Trezeguet in and we are sorted for wingers.
Now.... centre forward, please!
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 20, 2019, 06:41:32 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.I’d keep green for emergencies as well
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
There must be times when someone runs out of fags, so he could be the one they send down the shops to get some.
Agreed. Green has never really grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck and shown what he's capable of.... even in the Championship.
Harsh, as he clearly has Villa in his heart, but never going to do it.... File under same category as the Moore bros.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2019, 07:40:41 PM
Remember back to his shocker at WBA in second leg of play offs. DS would''ve been well within his rights to cut Green from the Wembley squad. Instead he made the bench (ahead of likes of Bjarnsson and Lansbury) and came on for last 15 minutes to help us see out the win.
That day was a vote of confidence, pretty much saying to him I still believe in your talent. I think he's more likely to go out on loan in January but think he'll get chances up to that period.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2019, 07:48:01 PM
Anyway fan of Egyptian National team says this about him:
"Very good player. Electric, pacey and good dribbler. His finishing in front of the goal is very, very frustrating but it can improve. Salah was a terrible finisher at one point. "
Would say bit of that would apply to El Ghazi and he improved a lot in last three months of the season.
He still needs to learn how to cross a ball. Saying that, now he has Targett behind him maybe he won't need to. Still, the jury's still out for me regarding El Ghazi. He's exciting to watch but needs to have more end product. Trezeguet looks the real deal and can play both flanks.
Post by: Risso on July 20, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
X=n+2, to be on the safe side.
Nah, basically I want four wingers. Two for the first team, one first reserve, and Green for emergencies.
I don't think Green is, yet, good enough to be in the team or first choice sub.
El Ghazi, Jota, this new guy, Green = 4?
No forgetting Kodjia of course, who whenever he has played under Smith, has been one of the wide attacking players in the front three. Certainly a better option to have than Green.
Post by: walsall villain on July 20, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
I’m confident El Ghazi will do well. Clear progression as the season went on, we’ll be fighting off bids before too long.Anyway fan of Egyptian National team says this about him:
"Very good player. Electric, pacey and good dribbler. His finishing in front of the goal is very, very frustrating but it can improve. Salah was a terrible finisher at one point. "
Would say bit of that would apply to El Ghazi and he improved a lot in last three months of the season.
He still needs to learn how to cross a ball. Saying that, now he has Targett behind him maybe he won't need to. Still, the jury's still out for me regarding El Ghazi. He's exciting to watch but needs to have more end product. Trezeguet looks the real deal and can play both flanks.
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 20, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 09:53:45 PM
Still, at least he didn't nickname him "Chadwick", it could have been worse.
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2019, 10:30:54 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2019, 11:08:54 PM
One of his former coaches thought he played, and looked, like him. I can't say I agree, on the looks front at least.
Still, at least he didn't nickname him "Chadwick", it could have been worse.
"Lillis"
Post by: nordenvillain on July 21, 2019, 12:05:49 AM
Obligatory YouTube vid. Having watched Green the other night we really did need another winger. This guy has pace, a few tricks and an eye for goal.Don't they allow spectators into Turkish league games ? I thought that the stadiums were all supposed to be full and bouncing 4 hours before the kick-off ? He looks to be more than a one trick pony with a strong upper body strength.
Post by: Comrade Blitz on July 21, 2019, 01:26:28 AM
Please tell me that that he won't have Trezeguet on his shirt. The fucking nicknames on shirts is so chavish
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2019, 05:25:49 AM
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Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2019, 07:07:12 AM
More seriously going back to Andre Green he looks very difficult to coach to my eye. He has become very easy to defend against, very easy for a defender to bully into a hasty cross or a blind alley channel. I get the point about him coming on at Wembley but personally he had my nerves jangling every time he got near the ball. Like Elphick there is always a bad mistake in him.And yet he had the awareness to set up McGinn at Sheff Wed following a great pass from Mings.
He's inconsistnet, I'd say.
Post by: KRS on July 21, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2019, 07:21:37 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2019, 07:56:23 AM
Waring would have if they had had their names on their shirts back then.
Did he actually like the nickname Pongo?
Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2019, 08:22:06 AM
Have we had a player with a nickname on his shirt before this season?Not sure if my eyes deceived me but Steve Hodge had “C***” on his shirt during the match against Norwich.
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2019, 08:43:21 AM
Post by: ktvillan on July 21, 2019, 08:56:37 AM
I can understand some of the concerns about Green but like someone said, he is only 20. To me, it seems like a confidence thing at times. I think he's worth persevering with.
Yes, he does seem a bit afraid to try things and show his ability at times. I'd say Grealish had spells like that where he played it too safe in the past, albeit showing more glimpses of what he was capable of. This where a good sports psychologist might make a difference.
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2019, 04:13:25 PM
I can understand some of the concerns about Green but like someone said, he is only 20. To me, it seems like a confidence thing at times. I think he's worth persevering with.
I don't I'm afraid. I've seen nothing from him at all, he's just a bog standard plodder.
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
Can he lose the cunty Trezeguet nickname? Mahmood Hassan isn't exactly difficult to pronounce.
Please tell me that that he won't have Trezeguet on his shirt. The fucking nicknames on shirts is so chavish
Completely irrational thing to be annoyed about.
Like it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2019, 05:53:24 PM
I tend to agree, never really shown anything special.I can understand some of the concerns about Green but like someone said, he is only 20. To me, it seems like a confidence thing at times. I think he's worth persevering with.
I don't I'm afraid. I've seen nothing from him at all, he's just a bog standard plodder.
Post by: Smirker on July 21, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Post by: FatSam on July 21, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
Can he lose the cunty Trezeguet nickname? Mahmood Hassan isn't exactly difficult to pronounce.
Please tell me that that he won't have Trezeguet on his shirt. The fucking nicknames on shirts is so chavish
I agree, but also feel like a complete kill-joy for doing so. However, if everyone started putting the name of a famous former player on their shirt rather than their own name, where would we end up. Whole teams of unimaginative World Cup winners probably.
Post by: FatSam on July 21, 2019, 08:35:10 PM
Post by: themossman on July 21, 2019, 08:42:08 PM
Can he lose the cunty Trezeguet nickname? Mahmood Hassan isn't exactly difficult to pronounce.
Please tell me that that he won't have Trezeguet on his shirt. The fucking nicknames on shirts is so chavish
I agree, but also feel like a complete kill-joy for doing so. However, if everyone started putting the name of a famous former player on their shirt rather than their own name, where would we end up. Whole teams of unimaginative World Cup winners probably.
Conversely, I quite like chutzpah of him encouraging comparisons with a legendary player. Kind of the opposite of jordi cruyff limp wristedly going with first name on his shirt.
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 21, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
I was thinking the same earlier. Who do we have in the academy coming through? Who is considered one to watch or our best player? Is there anyone? I noticed Baggies have had a couple, one gone to Man City one gone to Barca.I think this tells us more that our academy as part of it’s improvement plan needs to not just pick off the best talent in a 50 mile radius of us but to also go back to pinching other clubs best youngsters too just like Man Citeh. I seem to remember us picking up Ugo from Albion for something like £40k and didn’t we get Barry from Brighton for a similar smallish figure ?
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
Is any of it true??
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 06:28:55 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
Supposedly there are pictures of him at the belfry today.
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
Supposedly there are pictures of him at the belfry today.
"Supposedly" ......where are the pictures?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 22, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
Post by: Monty on July 22, 2019, 07:38:49 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 22, 2019, 07:42:29 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
It could be worse, Villatalk have a cringeworthy punathon going on over there! I know what you mean though, this has been going on for weeks, as has the Douglas transfer. Meanwhile, poor old Marvellous Nakamba is on strike wanting to come to a club that (most likely) doesn't want him.
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2019, 07:47:09 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
Supposedly there are pictures of him at the belfry today.
"Supposedly" ......where are the pictures?
Why don't you just try and be patient for once? You sound like a ten year old
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2019, 07:47:17 PM
Post by: nigel on July 22, 2019, 07:49:48 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
It could be worse, Villatalk have a cringeworthy punathon going on over there! I know what you mean though, this has been going on for weeks, as has the Douglas transfer. Meanwhile, poor old Marvellous Nakamba is on strike wanting to come to a club that (most likely) doesn't want him.
And the ones on here aren't? ::)
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
Supposedly there are pictures of him at the belfry today.
"Supposedly" ......where are the pictures?
Why don't you just try and be patient for once? You sound like a ten year old
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
It could be worse, Villatalk have a cringeworthy punathon going on over there! I know what you mean though, this has been going on for weeks, as has the Douglas transfer. Meanwhile, poor old Marvellous Nakamba is on strike wanting to come to a club that (most likely) doesn't want him.
Yes, agree the VT puns are indeed irritating!
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 08:32:52 PM
Trezeguet deal has become boring now. So many quotes: "Trezeguet deal edging closer" or "Trezeguet deal done" or "Trezeguet agrees personal terms" or "Trezeguet flying in this weekend"
Is any of it true??
Supposedly there are pictures of him at the belfry today.
"Supposedly" ......where are the pictures?
I've seen them in a couple of facebook groups. The supposedly is because it's in a room with no specific distinguishing features to confirm where it was taken so the link is "that looks like the Belfry".
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 22, 2019, 08:35:31 PM
Pele anyone?
Sid, Chico, Pongo...
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2019, 08:39:55 PM
I actually think this position is crucial to the team, to take some focus away from Grealish, so would either make this a big signing or take a youngster on loan (groom them for signing next year).
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2019, 11:51:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 12:19:11 AM
I don't know I've mentioned it, but I fucking love wingers.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 23, 2019, 12:20:55 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 12:22:24 AM
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2019, 01:01:15 AM
I think that's us done on wide players now but maybe there will be a forward who can drift wide as well (Leao would be perfect but I think we're probably not going to be in for him).
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 01:13:31 AM
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2019, 07:49:02 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
Edging.........ever..........closer...........closer............closer...............
At this point he must be skulking outside the front door
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2019, 09:15:01 AM
From what I've seen on youtube (and a bit in the Afcon) I like him, he's quick, direct, confident and not afraid to try something spectacular. He also seem to be willing to run beyond the striker and get himself into the box, which will be great alongside Wesley.
I think that's us done on wide players now but maybe there will be a forward who can drift wide as well (Leao would be perfect but I think we're probably not going to be in for him).
I want Rush to run riot as an impact sib cutting in from the wing.
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Edging.........ever..........closer...........closer............closer...............
At this point he must be skulking outside the front door
I see the Express and Star now has us as ‘poised’. Surely this is better than closer?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2019, 09:41:39 AM
Edging.........ever..........closer...........closer............closer...............
At this point he must be skulking outside the front door
I see the Express and Star now has us as ‘poised’. Surely this is better than closer?
Surely we can't be far off a twist in the tale! Next we'll be hearing the deal hangs by a thread ... on a knife-edge
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 23, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
"Getting closer" means they are looking for a pen. "Poised" means they have found a pen, but they can't remember where they put the contract.
Does stalled mean the pen is too heavy?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 09:56:06 AM
Post by: Border villan on July 23, 2019, 10:36:05 AM
No, it means run out of ink from being used for all our other signings."Getting closer" means they are looking for a pen. "Poised" means they have found a pen, but they can't remember where they put the contract.
Does stalled mean the pen is too heavy?
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2019, 11:20:12 AM
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
From what I've seen on youtube (and a bit in the Afcon) I like him, he's quick, direct, confident and not afraid to try something spectacular. He also seem to be willing to run beyond the striker and get himself into the box, which will be great alongside Wesley.
I think that's us done on wide players now but maybe there will be a forward who can drift wide as well (Leao would be perfect but I think we're probably not going to be in for him).
I want Rush to run riot as an impact sib cutting in from the wing.
I've said a few times that's exactly where I see him playing long term and I agree, I'd be tempted to give him a chance for the next few months and buy someone if it's not working but that's probably a bit risky for some.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 23, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 23, 2019, 01:07:13 PM
He had better not have a nickname on the back of his shirt. New fangled load of old wank.
That's a shit nickname. Fucking expensive if you pay for each letter too.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2019, 01:16:28 PM
Edging.........ever..........closer...........closer............closer...............
Are you still talking about Hassan or are you watching some...ahem....artistic films on the internet ?
Post by: Border villan on July 23, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
He had better not have a nickname on the back of his shirt. New fangled load of old wank.
That's a shit nickname. Fucking expensive if you pay for each letter too.
NFLOOW looks good to me on a shirt.
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2019, 04:20:07 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 23, 2019, 05:36:56 PM
Post by: themossman on July 23, 2019, 10:23:24 PM
Edit - original source being king-fut my go-to place for Egyptian football news. Announcement in Next 24 hours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 10:34:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0jnkT76/53-EC47-EA-5-A0-F-4-CD7-9490-3-D42-F65-FB751.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0jnkT76)
Post by: andyh on July 23, 2019, 10:36:22 PM
Looks authentic, but then again it COULD be unaired episode of Richard and Judy.
https://twitter.com/3gezy/status/1153778979742109701?s=21
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 10:36:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2019, 10:37:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Richard thumbs up to agent - “third times a charm. He signed on the right line”.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2019, 10:47:33 PM
Pictures of ‘someone’ signing a document with another guy standing over them and Suso watching on.
Looks authentic, but then again it COULD be unaired episode of Richard and Judy.
https://twitter.com/3gezy/status/1153778979742109701?s=21
That's Trezeguet alright
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2019, 10:55:36 PM
Fingers crossed he's a good one.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 10:57:21 PM
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Post by: kieron on July 24, 2019, 09:05:09 AM
"We are delighted to confirm the signing of @Trezeguet from Kasimpasa for an undisclosed fee, subject to a work visa and international clearance.. ✍️
Full story 👉 http://bit.ly/2OhqLT9
#WelcomeTrezeguet #AVFC https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1153938466952138754/photo/1"
Post by: kieron on July 24, 2019, 09:06:04 AM
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Mahmoud Hassan for an undisclosed fee, subject to a work visa and international clearance.
Known as Trezeguet, the winger moves to Villa Park from Turkish side, Kasimpasa.
The 24-year-old started his career with Al Ahly in Egypt before moving to Europe to sign for Anderlecht. He enjoyed a further loan stint with Mouscron in Belgium prior to a switch to Turkey.
A regular at international level for Egpyt, he has just returned from the African Nations Cup where he made four appearances, scoring once.
Head Coach Dean Smith said: “We’re really excited to work with ‘Trez’. I’ve watched him a number of times.
“He’s the type of wide player that we have been looking for who is direct, causes problems for the opposition in the final third and scores goals.”
Post by: purpletrousers on July 24, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 24, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Very interesting indeed that we've announced him before the visa is granted, but haven't done the same with Luiz (yet).
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2019, 09:15:38 AM
Welcome 'Trez'... Hopefully no issues with the Visa and clearance.
Very interesting indeed that we've announced him before the visa is granted, but haven't done the same with Luiz (yet).
Probably because of the leaked photo
Post by: Villafirst on July 24, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
Welcome 'Trez'... Hopefully no issues with the Visa and clearance.
Very interesting indeed that we've announced him before the visa is granted, but haven't done the same with Luiz (yet).
There's not much doubt that Hassan will get a work Visa. He's a regular international.
However, Egypt have dropped down the rankings significantly in recent years
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
It's all very well having a nickname of someone else's real name when it's used informally, but having it on your shirt seems weird to me.
Unless, he's actually changed his name perhaps ?
Post by: darren woolley on July 24, 2019, 09:44:05 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 10:01:43 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 10:03:21 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on July 24, 2019, 10:06:57 AM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2019, 10:36:45 AM
Do we know how the real Trezeguet feels about this Trezeguet ?
It's all very well having a nickname of someone else's real name when it's used informally, but having it on your shirt seems weird to me.
Unless, he's actually changed his name perhaps ?
I think the use of names which are not the player's actual name on shirts needs to be regulated. It's fair enough Zico, Pele or Jairzinho doing it, but that Chicarito? Really?
The rules say you're supposed to have your name on your shirt. That's not his name. The c**t.
Post by: dave shelley on July 24, 2019, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 24, 2019, 10:45:54 AM
Goes for half of the Brazilian footballers - most have 5 feet name, and a nick name that isn't included in the name.Do we know how the real Trezeguet feels about this Trezeguet ?
It's all very well having a nickname of someone else's real name when it's used informally, but having it on your shirt seems weird to me.
Unless, he's actually changed his name perhaps ?
I think the use of names which are not the player's actual name on shirts needs to be regulated. It's fair enough Zico, Pele or Jairzinho doing it, but that Chicarito? Really?
The rules say you're supposed to have your name on your shirt. That's not his name. The c**t.
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 10:47:02 AM
I think the use of names which are not the player's actual name on shirts needs to be regulated. It's fair enough Zico, Pele or Jairzinho doing it, but that Chicarito? Really?And then you get a player who had the chance to have one of the great names on his shirt - Cruyff - and chose to have Jordi instead.
The rules say you're supposed to have your name on your shirt. That's not his name. The c**t.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 24, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 24, 2019, 10:57:11 AM
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 10:57:38 AM
I really couldn't give a toss what he wants to call himself if he does the business for us on the pitch.I agree.
That said, the club are going to make more money from shirts with 'Trezeguet' on the back.
Post by: Ian. on July 24, 2019, 11:04:07 AM
Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2019, 11:05:19 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2019, 11:10:54 AM
I really couldn't give a toss what he wants to call himself if he does the business for us on the pitch.I agree.
That said, the club are going to make more money from shirts with 'Trezeguet' on the back.
Do they charge extra for acutes?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 24, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
I really couldn't give a toss what he wants to call himself if he does the business for us on the pitch.I agree.
That said, the club are going to make more money from shirts with 'Trezeguet' on the back.
Do they charge extra for acutes?
It’s ok you aren’t that cute CD, you’ll pay the same as the rest of us.
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 11:23:23 AM
I have had a mooch about, and it would seem that there aren't any accents in his name.I really couldn't give a toss what he wants to call himself if he does the business for us on the pitch.I agree.
That said, the club are going to make more money from shirts with 'Trezeguet' on the back.
Do they charge extra for acutes?
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 11:26:28 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2019, 11:28:13 AM
Having seen the thousands of Egyptian Hassan fans swarming over Pravda official social media pages, I reckon this could be good commercial business if they all start buying merchandise. He may have millions of fans in the Arabic-speaking world.
And two Egyptian players in the squad, I wonder if Sawiris sphinx we can exploit this as you mentioned.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 24, 2019, 11:28:34 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 24, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
Having seen the thousands of Egyptian Hassan fans swarming over Pravda official social media pages, I reckon this could be good commercial business if they all start buying merchandise. He may have millions of fans in the Arabic-speaking world.
And two Egyptian players in the squad, I wonder if Sawiris sphinx we can exploit this as you mentioned.
Tut.
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Yes, I was thinking that Sawiris may have had some influence. Anyway, Hassan has a fair old number of fans.
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
I wouldn't want my nickname to be the name of a player who was done for drink-driving in Italy last week. And who, apparently, said to the arresting officers something along the lines of "Fuck you, you only earn €2000 a month!".
Really? Daaviid the Diiickhead.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 24, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
Expect a pre-season over there next summer
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 11:45:43 AM
Trezguet abuse Police (https://mopays.com/2019/07/18/france-world-cup-winner-david-trezeguet-hurls-abuse-at-police-officers/)I wouldn't want my nickname to be the name of a player who was done for drink-driving in Italy last week. And who, apparently, said to the arresting officers something along the lines of "Fuck you, you only earn €2000 a month!".
Really? Daaviid the Diiickhead.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2019, 11:48:32 AM
It would have been great if Hutton had walked out for his final game at Villa Park with 'Cafu' on the back of his shirt :)
It would have been better if Cafu had walked out for his final game with "Hutton" on the back of his shirt.
Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
Having seen the thousands of Egyptian Hassan fans swarming over Pravda official social media pages, I reckon this could be good commercial business if they all start buying merchandise. He may have millions of fans in the Arabic-speaking world.
And two Egyptian players in the squad, I wonder if Sawiris sphinx we can exploit this as you mentioned.
They'll probably set up a pyramid scheme....
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
I think we now have more fans on the social media pages from Cairo than Birmingham.Further fuel for the Blooses to claim that their support is from the authentic B'ham!!
Expect a pre-season over there next summer
Said in jest, BTW.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2019, 12:55:20 PM
Welcome Trev I mean Trez
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2019, 01:03:37 PM
the amount of new Egyptian fans posting on AVFC FB and YT etc
bloody el ghazi , theres gonna be some merchadise sold and they love him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2019, 01:56:55 PM
Welcome Mahmoud. I watched his first interview with a smile on my face, and reckon he will be a hero for us. I just have that feeling.
Same here. A winger that can cross, what's not to like. Mentioned it before but watching his highlights, he really does remind me of Luis Figo.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 24, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
blimey you are rightHe has 3.7 million followers on Instagram - assuming our exposure will grow (Aston Villa in comparison has 363K followers)
the amount of new Egyptian fans posting on AVFC FB and YT etc
bloody el ghazi , theres gonna be some merchadise sold and they love him.
Villa have 1.2 million on Twitter - Trez has 1.9 millon....
Jeez! What if it is Trez that has signed us?
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2019, 02:04:04 PM
Do we know how the real Trezeguet feels about this Trezeguet ?
It's all very well having a nickname of someone else's real name when it's used informally, but having it on your shirt seems weird to me.
Unless, he's actually changed his name perhaps ?
Sincerely hope he drops the nickname, it's ridiculous
He can be our Hassan, hoping he is a lot more successful than our previous Hassan option out wide (Kachoul).
Good that he is signed earlyish so time to bed in with the squad, I dont think we can expect too much from him early on this season.
Lot of air miles and football played in the off season, tends to catch up with players.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 24, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 24, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
I just hope the club turns a prophet on this signing .....I'll get me cloakHaving seen the thousands of Egyptian Hassan fans swarming over Pravda official social media pages, I reckon this could be good commercial business if they all start buying merchandise. He may have millions of fans in the Arabic-speaking world.
And two Egyptian players in the squad, I wonder if Sawiris sphinx we can exploit this as you mentioned.
They'll probably set up a pyramid scheme....
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 04:12:59 PM
Post by: Border villan on July 24, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
There are more miles of canal in Birmingham than Suez.I just hope the club turns a prophet on this signing .....I'll get me cloakHaving seen the thousands of Egyptian Hassan fans swarming over Pravda official social media pages, I reckon this could be good commercial business if they all start buying merchandise. He may have millions of fans in the Arabic-speaking world.
And two Egyptian players in the squad, I wonder if Sawiris sphinx we can exploit this as you mentioned.
They'll probably set up a pyramid scheme....
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
I love his aggression and acceleration. AEG is the same. Andre Green he is notAnd, maybe Green will benefit from having a better class of playr around him in the squad? Lots to learn, if the kid wants to learn.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
I love his aggression and acceleration. AEG is the same. Andre Green he is notAnd, maybe Green will benefit from having a better class of playr around him in the squad? Lots to learn, if the kid wants to learn.
He might. But I just doing think he’s that type of player. But he’s had Snodgrass, he’s had AEG. Heck even Bolasie had pace, aggression and a few tricks, just wildly inconsistent. Green for me has ability. It just isn’t PL quality.
Post by: itbrvilla on July 24, 2019, 05:13:06 PM
'Akhenaten,
Fuck them up'...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2019, 06:17:49 PM
Green would be cover for the new striker, El Ghazi for Trezeguet, Kodja for Wesley. Though Jota can play on the wing I imagine he's been bought in for cover for Jack. It's all falling into place quite nicely.
No where's that bloody Brazilian?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
I'd forgotten about Anwar. ;-)
Yes, I was thinking that Sawiris may have had some influence. Anyway, Hassan has a fair old number of fans.
Do you mean Elmo?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2019, 06:29:32 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1153938466952138754
"We are delighted to confirm the signing of @Trezeguet from Kasimpasa for an undisclosed fee..
Fee today on OS confirmed at £5.5m (on Fantasy Premiership)*.
*Waves at Dave.
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2019, 06:44:59 PM
Oops!I'd forgotten about Anwar. ;-)
Yes, I was thinking that Sawiris may have had some influence. Anyway, Hassan has a fair old number of fans.
Do you mean Elmo?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2019, 06:59:49 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 24, 2019, 07:05:14 PM
I was thinking of taking a punt at that price. Just worried he may not start that much at first with Jota competing for a place.https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1153938466952138754
"We are delighted to confirm the signing of @Trezeguet from Kasimpasa for an undisclosed fee..
Fee today on OS confirmed at £5.5m (on Fantasy Premiership)*.
*Waves at Dave.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2019, 07:15:34 PM
I was thinking of taking a punt at that price. Just worried he may not start that much at first with Jota competing for a place.https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1153938466952138754
"We are delighted to confirm the signing of @Trezeguet from Kasimpasa for an undisclosed fee..
Fee today on OS confirmed at £5.5m (on Fantasy Premiership)*.
*Waves at Dave.
He can play either side.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Jota is not really a winger either in my view. He's very skilful but has no pace at all and would be a great Jack replacement as and when. I honestly thing he plays on the wing because he's too soft to play in the centre of the park.
He's not a winger he's what would have been called an inside forward in the past, playing on the inside shoulder of the fullback and cutting inside. I think all of our wide players are better suited to that role than being traditional wingers, Jota just tucks in a little more than the others.
Post by: Louzie0 on July 24, 2019, 08:21:34 PM
It would have been great if Hutton had walked out for his final game at Villa Park with 'Cafu' on the back of his shirt :)Cafhoots
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2019, 08:33:41 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 08:37:30 PM
Jota is not really a winger either in my view. He's very skilful but has no pace at all and would be a great Jack replacement as and when. I honestly thing he plays on the wing because he's too soft to play in the centre of the park.
He's not a winger he's what would have been called an inside forward in the past, playing on the inside shoulder of the fullback and cutting inside. I think all of our wide players are better suited to that role than being traditional wingers, Jota just tucks in a little more than the others.
Watching him tonight and he's cutting inside from the left, as you describe Paul. What a truly gifted player he is. Excited to see our outside forwards playing in tandem.
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/22s0a7cck9c31.jpg)
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 04:40:51 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
🇪🇬⚽🍍
Post by: thick_mike on July 25, 2019, 05:36:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 05:38:36 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 06:30:29 PM
Post by: colin69 on July 25, 2019, 07:18:18 PM
He is the Egyptian Beckham or something?
Hope he’s better than the Ecuadorian Beckham we had....
Post by: Smithy on July 25, 2019, 07:50:24 PM
Egyptian football fruit. Its a nice phrase and I like it.
🇪🇬⚽🍍
The fruit thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe I'm turning into my Dad, he still thinks a fruit smoothie is a particularly charming homosexual.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 26, 2019, 09:27:58 PM
Post by: Matt C on July 26, 2019, 09:32:53 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 09:33:48 PM
An Egyptian buddy who I play Sunday league with reckons he’s going to be better than Salah. So there you have it.
I'm excited.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 26, 2019, 10:00:36 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on July 26, 2019, 10:07:12 PM
An Egyptian buddy who I play Sunday league with reckons he’s going to be better than Salah. So there you have it.
Your Sunday league must be better than ours.
Post by: Ian. on July 26, 2019, 10:58:35 PM
Ha ha!An Egyptian buddy who I play Sunday league with reckons he’s going to be better than Salah. So there you have it.
Your Sunday league must be better than ours.
Post by: Cleybrooke on July 31, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
Admittedly, some of our new fans posts are a little irritating and I understand that. However 99% is the same type of banter that we enjoy.
The response should not be the blatantly racist and offensive posts that I've seen.
However, apparently, standing up to racism makes me snowflake.
UTV
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Deeply concerned by the reaction of our local fans to sudden tsunami of Egyptians on various social media.
Admittedly, some of our new fans posts are a little irritating and I understand that. However 99% is the same type of banter that we enjoy.
The response should not be the blatantly racist and offensive posts that I've seen.
However, apparently, standing up to racism makes me snowflake.
UTV
They are a bit fanatic . They do say some stupid things . I saw one Villa guy just say calm down a bit lads when one was moaning why we hadnt played him and he would be the best ever villa player of all time , which is great and all that but then the Egyptian guy got all politicial and very nasty .
Another Villa fan said he will probbaly start on the bench and an Egyptian guy couldnt handle it and started to lose his mind.
Yes very fanatic , having visted Egypt a few times , they sure are .
But it will sell us a millions shirts there ....
Post by: thick_mike on July 31, 2019, 11:21:14 AM
Deeply concerned by the reaction of our local fans to sudden tsunami of Egyptians on various social media.
Admittedly, some of our new fans posts are a little irritating and I understand that. However 99% is the same type of banter that we enjoy.
The response should not be the blatantly racist and offensive posts that I've seen.
However, apparently, standing up to racism makes me snowflake.
UTV
Totally agree, some posts have been unnecessarily aggressive and thinly veiled racism.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 11:24:05 AM
Deeply concerned by the reaction of our local fans to sudden tsunami of Egyptians on various social media.
Admittedly, some of our new fans posts are a little irritating and I understand that. However 99% is the same type of banter that we enjoy.
The response should not be the blatantly racist and offensive posts that I've seen.
However, apparently, standing up to racism makes me snowflake.
UTV
Totally agree, some posts have been unnecessarily aggressive and thinly veiled racism.
we have some idiot fans on facebook , always have . And some of our lot are really embarrassing but they have had some idiots too .
Wish some of our lot would just take a breather and let them get on with it and lets hope hes better than Salah .
Post by: Bad English on July 31, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
Post by: Dave P on July 31, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
By the reaction on Facebook, we have signed a Messi Ronaldo combination... crazy
It's worth remembering the reaction of the Hibs fans when we signed SJM. They weren't wrong. Hopefully our Egyptian brothers know a thing or two about special players. From the few minutes he's played he looks the real deal. He still reminds me of Luis Figo, I hope I'm still saying that at the end of the season.
Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
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Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2019, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: FatSam on August 03, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
Agreed. When I saw all those posts, including many in Arabic, I just knew that some of the responses were going to be unfriendly, cringeworthy or openly racist.Yes, thoroughly depressing. Presumably they don't mind an Egyptian owner pumping loads of money into the club though?
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2019, 09:37:39 PM
Agreed. When I saw all those posts, including many in Arabic, I just knew that some of the responses were going to be unfriendly, cringeworthy or openly racist.Yes, thoroughly depressing. Presumably they don't mind an Egyptian owner pumping loads of money into the club though?
From a bigot you expect logic?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2019, 10:38:32 PM
Agreed. When I saw all those posts, including many in Arabic, I just knew that some of the responses were going to be unfriendly, cringeworthy or openly racist.Yes, thoroughly depressing. Presumably they don't mind an Egyptian owner pumping loads of money into the club though?
From a bigot you expect logic?
And yet we kid ourselves Birmingham is the great, multi-cultural success story. Fook me, there's some sad, nasty, small minded fuckers out there. Wait until they discover Benrahma has been in the UK for 12 months and still struggles in English.
Post by: Villa75 on August 10, 2019, 06:22:26 PM
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2019, 04:03:21 PM
Very encouraging debut. Not quite there yet but signs are he will come very good. He's supposedly far better on the left so Deano might want to think about that considering how powder puff Anwar was yesterday
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2019, 06:32:46 PM
He is about half a yard of pace away from being brilliant. Will score a fair few goals this season.
I reckon he’s plenty quick enough. He looks very good to me.
Post by: danno on August 11, 2019, 06:36:50 PM
He is about half a yard of pace away from being brilliant. Will score a fair few goals this season.
I reckon he’s plenty quick enough. He looks very good to me.
Think Ozz means that half yard you gain once your fully match fit, know your teammates better and they know what runs you make.
Post by: KRS on September 02, 2019, 05:04:37 AM
Can’t say I’ve been too impressed with him so far, but hopefully these next few weeks off will help all our new players to settle and improve as a team.
Post by: algy on September 02, 2019, 07:39:04 AM
I suspect he'll be one that we won't see at his best for a while, maybe not until next season.
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2019, 08:17:59 AM
I presume we won’t be or can’t appeal 2 yellow cards, so how many games will he be banned for?
Can’t say I’ve been too impressed with him so far, but hopefully these next few weeks off will help all our new players to settle and improve as a team.
Just one game for two yellows.
He’s looked lively without really doing much in terms of scoring of assists. Big problem the front three.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 02, 2019, 10:21:34 AM
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 02, 2019, 02:31:51 PM
I think he should take the opportunity to have another holding MF in there for Wet Spam
I saw their highlights on Saturday and they looked pretty handy through the middle of the park
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 02, 2019, 07:50:04 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2019, 09:34:52 PM
Think it's worth bearing in mind that he's new to the Premier League, and pretty much new to European football since his Turkish club didn't compete in the UEFA Cup whilst he was there and I'd assume the Turkish league is culturally closer to the Egyptian league than the English League, or even Spanish/Italian/German leagues.
I suspect he'll be one that we won't see at his best for a while, maybe not until next season.
It's a huge jump in standard from one season in the Turkish league to the EPL. It's going to take a good while for him to settle in, horribly one sided though.
Jota, I was far from convinced on before he kicked a ball for us and assist v Everton aside he has done little to suggest otherwise yet. Don't think he has a hope of making it wide on the right for us, possibly an option further infield but not out wide trying to cover Guilbert without the ball. Simply has not got the speed or mobility for that role.
AEG should have started at weekend after his goal v Everton, and is the best bet of the three to make an impact, but I think we urgently need to move away from wingers.
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2019, 05:49:33 PM
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Post by: themossman on October 21, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
But he also appears to have absolutely no end product and has scuffed some massive game changing chances.
I’ll stand corrected but I don’t think historically he’s had a problem finishing including in pre season so maybe he just needs a goal to get the confidence flowing. Although someone with trezeguet on their shirt shouldn’t lack that.
I also think (and not a dig at big Wes) he’d benefit from having a more obvious front man to play off.
Post by: themossman on October 21, 2019, 07:15:18 PM
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Post by: Pat McMahon on October 21, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
Know what you mean, think it’s a fair point that he’s relatively quick with the ball under control.
That was Tony Morley’s greatest asset IMHO, he could run with the ball at feet almost as quick as when he was sprinting.
I thought Trezeguet had a good cameo on Saturday but he hasn’t really shone yet.
Post by: KRS on October 21, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
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Post by: CT on October 22, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
At the moment he reminds me too much of Scott Sinclair. He needs to improve.
I saw Scott Sinclair come on as a Sub for Celtic at Hibs last season.
Looked totally disinterested and was absolute garbage. Trez is like the second coming of Maradona compared to SS.
Post by: kieron on November 01, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 11, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
Brilliant against Liverpool
And he showed a lot of fight and effort v wolves in last 20 minutes or so even at 2-0 down and was one who tried hard in attack.
However he struggled in the tracking back and defensive side (really think that should be left to midfielders and wide forwards stay up attacking ) and was in and out of match yesterday .
Trez showed several pieces of skill and beat his man on both sides at times with ease.
Some times though he was isolated and also didn't mean his man but as I stated he's now showing what I I feel is some form and will be the best of the 'new' summer signings and a real key player for villa.
He's really developing and would be nice for more to acknowledge and credit his achievements from last 2 matches .
I already saw his worth and saw him live v Liverpool reaffirmed how fast and skill full he is.
Yesterday again he showed both skill and pace
I hope he gets left to just do attacking duties in future as he was poor in supporting Targett
Anyway well done Trez!
Far better than Wesley both in price and what he brings
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 11, 2019, 10:43:47 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
His decisions are sometimes not the best And I wish he was our only attacking weak link but we are playing with 3 of them.
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2019, 12:45:22 PM
Shite.
I have to agree. Headless chicken.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2019, 12:55:56 PM
He has natural ability and far more potential than Wes or Al Ghazi.
His decisions are sometimes not the best And I wish he was our only attacking weak link but we are playing with 3 of them.
I agree, poor front three, few options to replace them and the weight on the midfielders to score is too great
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 11, 2019, 02:25:05 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
He does seem to be getting better and has scored two in two. I think we will see more from him but he's clearly not "shite".
You can't excuse his overall contribution just because he's scored. The same with El Ghazi. Neither right now deserve to be in the starting XI.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 11, 2019, 02:39:07 PM
He has scored both our goals in the last two games. As far as I recall he wasn't at fault for any of the four goals we conceded (I've tried to erase them so happy to be corrected). Not sure he is the major issue.
And, in any case, drop him for who? We don't have anyone else.
Lots of people were saying he needed a goal to get going. Now he has scored two in two it would be madness to drop him.
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 11, 2019, 02:41:06 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2019, 02:48:33 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
So if he scores every game between now and the end of the season, he still doesn't deserve to be picked?
He has scored both our goals in the last two games. As far as I recall he wasn't at fault for any of the four goals we conceded (I've tried to erase them so happy to be corrected). Not sure he is the major issue.
And, in any case, drop him for who? We don't have anyone else.
Lots of people were saying he needed a goal to get going. Now he has scored two in two it would be madness to drop him.
Not that you'll need reminding but we lost the last two games despite his goals. His contribution to our attack over 90 minutes is extremely limited. If he scores in every game between now and the end of the season yet we lose every game, his goal being his only contribution, I'd be looking for somebody that can add more to the team and help us win those games.
He's not alone, El Ghazi will be remembered for his assist yesterday for Wesley but overall he didn't do enough to make our attack function. Of course we have no real alternatives, as you point out but as we're in a fight for survival, we can't carry both. A winger in January should top of the shopping list.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
He does seem to be getting better and has scored two in two. I think we will see more from him but he's clearly not "shite".
You can't excuse his overall contribution just because he's scored. The same with El Ghazi. Neither right now deserve to be in the starting XI.
He was arguably MOM V Liverpool (one of the top, if not the top team in the world on current form) and scored. He didn't have a brilliant game yesterday, poor first half much better in the 2nd and scored but should be dropped? A lot of players could be dropped for our next game, he's definitely not one of them.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2019, 03:09:35 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2019, 03:17:01 PM
He does seem to be getting better and has scored two in two. I think we will see more from him but he's clearly not "shite".
You can't excuse his overall contribution just because he's scored. The same with El Ghazi. Neither right now deserve to be in the starting XI.
He was arguably MOM V Liverpool (one of the top, if not the top team in the world on current form) and scored. He didn't have a brilliant game yesterday, poor first half much better in the 2nd and scored but should be dropped? A lot of players could be dropped for our next game, he's definitely not one of them.
That's true, Bren. I forgot his contribution in the Liverpool game. The goal was just a bonus his performance deserved.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 11, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2019, 04:52:38 PM
Post by: Luke8 on November 11, 2019, 05:03:04 PM
Like quite a few of the team/squad they is quite clearly room for improvement but I think both have shown that they have the potential to be decent players for us.
Post by: nick harper on November 11, 2019, 05:30:10 PM
Considering that it was one of our poorest performances of the season, both as a team and individually, both wingers were still involved in at least a couple of decent moments - the goal, Wesleys chance, McGinns chance (El Ghazi run to set this up was excellent) and Trez has a reasonably chance cutting inside from the right.
Like quite a few of the team/squad they is quite clearly room for improvement but I think both have shown that they have the potential to be decent players for us.
It’s their lack of commitment and concentration when we don’t have the ball that is the much bigger issue. They left our full backs horribly exposed all game.
We don’t defend well enough from the front.
Post by: Luke8 on November 11, 2019, 05:41:06 PM
Considering that it was one of our poorest performances of the season, both as a team and individually, both wingers were still involved in at least a couple of decent moments - the goal, Wesleys chance, McGinns chance (El Ghazi run to set this up was excellent) and Trez has a reasonably chance cutting inside from the right.
Like quite a few of the team/squad they is quite clearly room for improvement but I think both have shown that they have the potential to be decent players for us.
It’s their lack of commitment and concentration when we don’t have the ball that is the much bigger issue. They left our full backs horribly exposed all game.
We don’t defend well enough from the front.
Don’t hugely disagree. However, they did put in a pretty decent defensively shift just the game before, up against two of the best in the world in their position.
Their inconsistency, both offensively and defensively, are part of the learning curve and one of the reasons that they are with us as oppose to a current established premier league team.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2019, 05:51:44 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 11, 2019, 06:04:35 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2019, 02:30:35 AM
He has been quite average tbh
Looks more of an impact sub at this stage. Still not convinced AEG is going to be good enough to be that in all honesty.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 12, 2019, 11:33:38 AM
Also worth remembering it's a lot easier to mark Trezeguet (and El Ghazi and McGinn) when Grealish isn't playing. He terrifies defenders and creates space for the rest of them. See how much better McGinn looks alongside him, for instance.
That's what i've been saying when discussing the game, the only one of the injuries that may have made a difference Sunday was Grealish because he would have occupied more opposition players, he'd have given them more to think about when we attacked.
I don't think Heaton or Steer would have saved the 2 goals and Nyland did nothing wrong, Konsa came in and played as well as Engels and Taylor coming on for Targett made no difference.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 12, 2019, 11:50:40 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 12, 2019, 12:26:01 PM
Konsa came in and played as well as Engels.
I agree with this bit but I think you need to add context. Jota was playing tucked in so he was between Guilbert and Konsa and 2-3 times in the first half he found space because of a communication failure between the 2 over who was picking him up. It didn't lead to either of the goals but it was noticeable and unfortunate because they were 2 of our better players other than this.
As soon as Grealish is back fit I'd be looking to move either AEG or Trezeguet in behind Wesley and play one as a deep-lying forward off the big man. Neither of them are convincing as wingers right now, and since Wesley is unconvincing too, we could do worse than shuffling the deck and see if it brings about any improvement up front.
I could write a really complicated response to this but 4321 with Grealish and AEG/Trez/Jota playing free roles on the left and right but starting tucked in. In defence Luiz and Mcginn drift slightly wide to help the fullbacks and Jack tucks in to effectively a 442/4411.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 12, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 14, 2019, 06:16:58 PM
Just played 70 mins in Egypt match at home to Kenya.
What position were you playing? Trez played the full 90 (+5) minutes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2019, 11:00:52 PM
Post by: Comrade Blitz on December 02, 2019, 12:54:32 AM
Nominated for African Player of the Year.
He's shite. Looks like this season's Josh Onomah
Post by: Clampy on December 02, 2019, 06:52:53 AM
Nominated for African Player of the Year.
He's shite. Looks like this season's Josh Onomah
No he's not and no he doesn't.
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 07:17:18 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 02, 2019, 07:46:00 AM
Nominated for African Player of the Year.
He's shite. Looks like this season's Josh Onomah
Yep, that attempt where the hit the stantion yesterday wa asymptomatic of that. He should have buried it.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
He starting to find goal trail now
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 02, 2019, 08:48:49 AM
Post by: Luke8 on December 02, 2019, 10:48:27 AM
Given that, it’s understandable that he has looked decent without being spectacular. He’ll be fine long term, I reckon.
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 11:33:13 AM
So far not convinced, yesterday aside, to early to write him off and he’s probably got a chance of a run in the team
Im in the same boat. Scored in his last two games before getting dropped for Grealish coming back in. Decent enough yesterday although was up against a very poor opponent. For all his limitations, his productivity in terms of assists, goals and general attacking are improving. Yesterday, he played the ball in for Grealish's miss, starting to get in and around the box hence the offside goal, drew a yellow card and ultimately replacement of his opponent. Will get a chance now v Chelsea.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 02, 2019, 11:51:32 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 05, 2019, 12:31:07 AM
I highlighted his abilities and despite a weakness in tackling, that's not his strength, his ability to go forward and score goals is immense.
Never stops trying when he is involved and is very skill full.
He's really one to watch and as stated will be a big player as provides pace, skill and goal scoring.
His goal tonight was not tidy however he showed great aptitude to get into the penalty box and make the run.
It's not inconceivable for Trez to finish top goal scorer this season.
Definitely progressing nicely and well played .
Best outfield player.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 05, 2019, 12:34:01 AM
Nominated for African Player of the Year.
He's shite. Looks like this season's Josh Onomah
Absolute nonsense.
Really foolish comment
He's an international and has scored 3 in 9 games.
People waffle on about Wesley goal record but Trez is far far better attacking player and more will recognise this as season goes on.
Let's see shall we .
I already pointed out how big he'll be and how woeful Wesley is.
Now people are seeing how poor Wesley is at this level and soon you'll and many others start viewing Trez as a must .
Imo
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
He was always gonna need time to settle, but we're now seeing end product. If he keeps gaining in confidence, and particularly if we can have a run of 'easier' games, I think he'll score some more. We're spreading goals through the side reasonably well. If we can get a front man who will impact games and get his share, we'll finish the season fairly comfortably I think. A lot of our defensive issues come down to basic organisation. It's something that can be worked on.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 05, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Nominated for African Player of the Year.
He's shite. Looks like this season's Josh Onomah
Absolute nonsense.
Really foolish comment
Fuck me, that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 05, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
Post by: darren woolley on December 06, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 02:18:18 PM
Trez is one who has fallen below standards and after slowly coming together with some showings is being distinctly underwhelming.
He needs to give a whole lot more as for me is highly talented and has a lot to offer attack
Post by: Steve67 on December 27, 2019, 02:22:40 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
He's a wonderful player. Very consistent, good in the air, particularly at corners, excellent marker. Been really unlucky with his free kicks so far.Is that your English irony?
I hope so!!
He's a championship player.
Post by: brian green on December 27, 2019, 03:37:03 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 27, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 27, 2019, 03:45:22 PM
He has had some good performances. Yesterday was his worst yet. Can we not just get him to keep whacking a ball against a wall with his left foot until he learns to use the bloody thing?
I was following Clampy and others as I presumed people were going mad. He's super shit. I hope he comes good but for the last few games, he has driven me mad.
Post by: themossman on December 27, 2019, 04:19:08 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 04:24:30 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2019, 04:45:44 PM
"MAN ON"
"Wh-Wha? Oh fuck lost it!"
Post by: malckennedy on December 27, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
We shouldn't ever play him and AEG in the same match at the same time.
Debatable whether we should ever play either one of them in a match again.
Post by: Richard E on December 27, 2019, 05:00:45 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2019, 05:04:27 PM
A cheap punt that hasn’t come off, it happens.
Post by: themossman on December 27, 2019, 05:07:44 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 27, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 27, 2019, 05:33:33 PM
5/10 so far. He looks very unfit. Blowing out his ass by 60 minutes. As others have said, the game seems too quick for him. He dallys on the ball too much
so I agree about Targett but what about Trez :)
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
Post by: kieron on December 27, 2019, 08:30:34 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2019, 10:11:56 PM
I don't really see him or AEG as out and out wide men tbh, they're better as inside forwards so I'd be interested how either would do if they had a run of games through the centre although would need us to change formation.
He's still learning how to be effective over 90 minutes in the prem. Could be good impact sub option after January if we sign well in the next window.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 27, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2019, 10:15:52 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2019, 10:35:52 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 10:38:53 PM
Bit of patient with trezeguet then he'll be lightening up the prem for villa .
For me he just needs to rediscover and settle and he'll make a massive impact.
Immensely talented but a bit out of sorts of late.
I said Adama Traore would be a world beater
Trezeguet has all the qualities to hit some high heights in time.
Said before he will be best signing Villa made.
I'll stand by that
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
Probably a very low bar but he's at least much better than guys we were signing 5 years back like Tonev. Now there was guy who looked like he won a half time raffle to play for us.Another who got the “ there is a player in there”
Post by: Pete3206 on January 18, 2020, 12:02:26 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 18, 2020, 12:07:25 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 18, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
I felt for him a bit when he scored our consolation goal at Wolves and neither players nor fans appeared to pay it any mind. He was obviously chuffed with scoring a goal, and looked like he was about to cry!
Post by: villabear on January 28, 2020, 11:25:04 PM
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on January 28, 2020, 11:36:32 PM
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Post by: PeterWithe on January 29, 2020, 07:24:58 AM
Post by: mr underhill on January 29, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 29, 2020, 07:48:56 AM
He took that chance very well - watched the flight of the ball all the way and he must have felt a lot of pressure on him to put it away.
He signalled Elmo for the ball too.
Post by: KRS on January 29, 2020, 08:05:17 AM
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Post by: frank black on January 29, 2020, 11:39:11 AM
Post by: manic-road on January 29, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
He works incredibly hard and has come up with a few decent goals. I really hope he kicks on as he's a very likeable lad.
Absolutely, he does work hard and has an eye for goal. I would like to see him get more game time instead of AEG
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2020, 01:26:16 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
Great finish
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
He is better suited to a european league that is not as intense as PL.
Post by: j66acd on March 02, 2020, 07:25:11 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
I agree, he plays with his head down and never sees the pass. I think his pace is a myth too, I’m never watching a YouTube highlight reel on a player we are linked with again as he looked like he had a turn of speed like a 20 year old gabby!!
Yeah he isnt on the level of gabbys pace. Just for me cant do the simple things properly. Doesnt seem to have much of a footballjng brain to me
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Post by: OzVilla on March 02, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 09:52:19 AM
He really isn't very good at all.
Seconded.
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
His goal against Leicester was well taken and I seem to remember a tidy finish at Old Trafford that was ruled out by the officials.
Post by: LukeJames on March 02, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
He's not being made a scapegoat at all, I just think he's a bit shit.
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
A tidy finish? It was an open goal scramble from 3 yards out.
He's not being made a scapegoat at all, I just think he's a bit shit.
I like him, I think there's a decent player in there. It may be first season syndrome where some players take a season to settle in but i'd persevere with him personally.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 02, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 02, 2020, 10:26:36 AM
A tidy finish? It was an open goal scramble from 3 yards out.
He's not being made a scapegoat at all, I just think he's a bit shit.
I like him, I think there's a decent player in there. It may be first season syndrome where some players take a season to settle in but i'd persevere with him personally.
So would I.
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2020, 10:28:49 AM
Trez is an enigma really, he’s a technically gifted footballer who is tidy enough but has hardly any end product.
He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.
Technically gifted? He can't kick the ball with his left foot...
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 10:41:33 AM
Trez is an enigma really, he’s a technically gifted footballer who is tidy enough but has hardly any end product.
He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.
Think i must be wtaching a different player as eveeything your decsribe ive seen nothing to suggest trez has that.
Has no football brain and is so easy to defend against. Cant do the simple things right. Also seems too weak
Post by: PeterWithe on March 02, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
He isn't a terrible player and plays with energy and commitment but he seems to lack in game intelligence, he makes a lot of bad choices with and without the ball.
That reads like a pretty good description of a terrible player, to be honest.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 11:01:35 AM
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2020, 11:03:54 AM
'There's a player in there' is H&V speak for 'he's shit, but I hope that he'll come good despite there being scant evidence that he might do that.'
It's also evidence that's its another person's opinion, like Grealish is a shit Lee Hendrie. Can't remember who said that though.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 02, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
He isn't a terrible player and plays with energy and commitment but he seems to lack in game intelligence, he makes a lot of bad choices with and without the ball.
That reads like a pretty good description of a terrible player, to be honest.
Yes you're probably right but he has scored some important goals and we may need him to score some more I'm going down the 'brainless optimism' route in my view of him.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
Obviously a long way from finished product in premier league and might never get there. Worth remembering he was an o.k player from a mid table Turkish side.
Would be more excited if we signed good players from champions league sides which Wolves have no problem signing over last 2-3 seasons but there you go.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 11:29:28 AM
You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
For every Traore there's half a dozen players like Tonev and Luna. Traore always had pace and strength, it was just a question of whether that could be put to good use as an actual football player. I struggle to see any attributes in Trez's game that make me think he'll be any better next year.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 11:52:16 AM
If the plan was just to try and hit endless crosses into the box for someone to get onto then to me it made perfect sense given he's scored from crosses v Liverpool, Chelsea and of course Leicester so at least has the ability to read the flight of the cross pretty well.
Post by: Luke8 on March 02, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Trez is an enigma really, he’s a technically gifted footballer who is tidy enough but has hardly any end product.
He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.
Technically gifted? He can't kick the ball with his left foot...
Apart from in the last minute against Leicester, right?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 12:07:39 PM
You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
How has trez shown any remote potential than traore had? You could see traore had a hell of a lot of potential when he came but was poorly utilised by sherwood. Also he came raw from barcelona. If im not mistaken he was 19 as well. Trez is older. This teams a lot better than the one traore came in from.
I think there is absolutely no comparison between those two tbh.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 02, 2020, 12:30:21 PM
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Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
How has trez shown any remote potential than traore had? You could see traore had a hell of a lot of potential when he came but was poorly utilised by sherwood. Also he came raw from barcelona. If im not mistaken he was 19 as well. Trez is older. This teams a lot better than the one traore came in from.
I think there is absolutely no comparison between those two tbh.
The comparison isn't about potential or overall ability, Traore was raw and we expected too much so when he didn't deliver what we hoped he got written off as shit. With Trez it's similar, I think people saw comments from egyptian fans and heard about his following and expected him to be great. From that he clearly hasn't been as good as we hoped but he's still scored some important goals and got some key assists, for me the biggest problem is that he's just trying too hard.
I think he has the technical ability, work rate and enough pace (I think he's pretty quick but he's half a yard too slow in his head at the minute so he's not using his pace very well) to be effective but he's taken a big step up in standard to join us and I think he's still working out what does and doesn't work at this level.
If he carries on as he has then he'll finish the season with 5-7 goals and a similar amount of assists, having been involved in a goal roughly once every 2 games (in terms of time on the pitch), I personally think that's a decent return for a guy who cost us peanuts (by premier league standards). Same as AEG I've seen enough to think we'd get twice what we paid already and he's young enough that he'll get better so I'm happy to give him more time.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 01:47:40 PM
And he's got 3 goals and 1 assist in 1,325 minutes on the pitch, which is nothing like 1 in 2.
Other than that, your defence of him is spot on!
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
He's got 1 assist all season, so I'd be amazed if he somehow stretches that to 5-7.
And he's got 3 goals and 1 assist in 1,325 minutes on the pitch, which is nothing like 1 in 2.
Other than that, your defence of him is spot on!
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trezeguet/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/234189/plus/0?saison=2019&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id= (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trezeguet/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/234189/plus/0?saison=2019&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=)
I guess stats aren't your strong point, I would assume you're ignoring the cups but you'd still be wrong. So 1 goal/assist every 2 2/3 games so maybe I should put 2-3 games.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 02, 2020, 02:08:14 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 02, 2020, 02:23:38 PM
He try’s to harass players and to effect the game.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 02, 2020, 02:42:00 PM
Exactly, he probably tries too hard with that and is running running himself out of position at times.There are some players when you realize they are coming on, your heart sinks.
But I allways know that Trez will try and get into the game and occasionally he does get some reward.
Not a lost cause IMO.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
If we go down I think he'd be very good in the championship.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 02, 2020, 04:16:32 PM
Anyway, i think there's a player in there somewhere.
Likeable chap too, albeit he's been pretty shit so far.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 02, 2020, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
His Villa career to date has consisted of one or two undeniably brilliant moments and a lot of work pressing defenders for little reward but not a lot else.
I think the bold bit is more accurate and is why I think he'll get better.
Post by: Ian. on March 02, 2020, 06:04:56 PM
Post by: manic-road on March 02, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
For me have to hold my hands up as he's being too many times disappointing.
And on general note of signings that are loans and refusing to take that option in summer meant we never went for likes of
Harry Wilson loan
Ademola Lookman loan
Kennedy Loan
Patrick Roberts loan
Heck even a move for likes of Mkhitarayan on loan
The point being in Villa position bringing in some of these players who are young and upcoming may have been more beneficial than the take on likes of Trez. (Who I do rate but his adapting is taking a while.)
What's frustration is that Villa end up taking Drinkwater when in summer there could have been a few loan options to take on
I would rather have taken Ampadu on loan from Chelsea.
Ideally Cahill , Sturridge, Callum Robinson , Phil Billing and Maupay are all players could have gone and purchased. And why Bowen was never bought either in summer or in winter window beats me.
Add to a couple of loans of Lookman and Wilson out wide that would have been far more suitable for the situation.
And would have been wise to keep Whelan on .
Glad we didn't get Sturridge, been released due to a prolonged ban.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
How has trez shown any remote potential than traore had? You could see traore had a hell of a lot of potential when he came but was poorly utilised by sherwood. Also he came raw from barcelona. If im not mistaken he was 19 as well. Trez is older. This teams a lot better than the one traore came in from.
I think there is absolutely no comparison between those two tbh.
The comparison isn't about potential or overall ability, Traore was raw and we expected too much so when he didn't deliver what we hoped he got written off as shit. With Trez it's similar, I think people saw comments from egyptian fans and heard about his following and expected him to be great. From that he clearly hasn't been as good as we hoped but he's still scored some important goals and got some key assists, for me the biggest problem is that he's just trying too hard.
I think he has the technical ability, work rate and enough pace (I think he's pretty quick but he's half a yard too slow in his head at the minute so he's not using his pace very well) to be effective but he's taken a big step up in standard to join us and I think he's still working out what does and doesn't work at this level.
If he carries on as he has then he'll finish the season with 5-7 goals and a similar amount of assists, having been involved in a goal roughly once every 2 games (in terms of time on the pitch), I personally think that's a decent return for a guy who cost us peanuts (by premier league standards). Same as AEG I've seen enough to think we'd get twice what we paid already and he's young enough that he'll get better so I'm happy to give him more time.
Fair enough i get your argument i just dont see enough. He doesnt look like a game changer for me. He has glimpses where he can do something like the Leicester goal.but he struggles to see out 90 minutes. As i said earlier i just dont think he has that much if a foogball brain to be really successful here.
With traore you could see frkm that palace game when he scored he had something about him. He looked like a ashley young type player. I have just never seen that from trez.
Will he be good in championship? Maybe but for me we need better if we stay up.
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2020, 07:46:52 PM
Trez is an enigma really, he’s a technically gifted footballer who is tidy enough but has hardly any end product.
He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.
Technically gifted? He can't kick the ball with his left foot...
Apart from in the last minute against Leicester, right?
You have me there, it was a nice finish!
That aside.....he is incredibly one sided. AEG in comparison is equally comfortable on either foot.
Post by: themossman on March 02, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
Post by: john2710 on March 02, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
Post by: Rigadon on March 02, 2020, 08:38:00 PM
The fact is that we have too many in the 1st team that aren't (in some cases 'yet') good enough to carry and not be 19th.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2020, 09:10:50 PM
His sending off v palace was down to his effort in doing something he not so good at. Twice ! Booked for challenges .
Ideally play him high up the pitch and keep him there.
Post by: themossman on March 02, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2020, 10:32:12 AM
He provides energy and gives something but he's struggles to get a real essence of the play on 90mins.Play him higher up the pitch and you lose the cover for the fullbacks. Your suggestion is a compromise rather than a solution.
His sending off v palace was down to his effort in doing something he not so good at. Twice ! Booked for challenges .
Ideally play him high up the pitch and keep him there.
Is he good enough for the Prem? - that is the only question we need to ask our 'maybe' players - it's a question the management team will be asking at thend of the season if we survive.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 03, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
Id sell him and try get harry Wilson in the summer personally if we stay up
I wouldn't sell Trezeguet as we need additions not replacements, but Wilson would be a very good signing. I could see them selling him as well... they did with Solanke, Ibe, Kent and other young players they had no place for, and he's not displacing Mane or Salah anytime soon.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 01:16:52 PM
Id sell him and try get harry Wilson in the summer personally if we stay up
I wouldn't sell Trezeguet as we need additions not replacements, but Wilson would be a very good signing. I could see them selling him as well... they did with Solanke, Ibe, Kent and other young players they had no place for, and he's not displacing Mane or Salah anytime soon.
I get your point but i dont see what the purpose of keeping trez. I dont think he is going ti get better - i could be wrong but i just dont see enough of consistently to think he will be a player to help us in future.
Harry Wilson though i like him alot. He really would shine under our style of football. He would be my mumber one target come the summer. Like you rightly aay he isnt getting in thag liverpool team so i think they woukd sell
Post by: LeeB on March 03, 2020, 01:18:50 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 03, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.
As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.
So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).
How has trez shown any remote potential than traore had? You could see traore had a hell of a lot of potential when he came but was poorly utilised by sherwood. Also he came raw from barcelona. If im not mistaken he was 19 as well. Trez is older. This teams a lot better than the one traore came in from.
I think there is absolutely no comparison between those two tbh.
The comparison isn't about potential or overall ability, Traore was raw and we expected too much so when he didn't deliver what we hoped he got written off as shit. With Trez it's similar, I think people saw comments from egyptian fans and heard about his following and expected him to be great. From that he clearly hasn't been as good as we hoped but he's still scored some important goals and got some key assists, for me the biggest problem is that he's just trying too hard.
At the end of the day, whatever we think about players is largely irrelevant. Traore didn't start a single league game for us, and was sold after about a dozen sub appearances. Our patience or otherwise mattered not a jot, as it was the manager(s) who didn't play him and then ultimatey decided to swap him for Adomah.
Post by: sid1964 on June 11, 2020, 06:18:20 AM
Post by: Ian. on June 11, 2020, 07:21:18 AM
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Hardly goal of the season - i have seen better.Nice lay-off to him, and well finished.
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
The camera won't catch the virus from doing close-ups...
Post by: The Edge on June 11, 2020, 10:23:00 AM
Are all the covid games footage going to be shot from a zoomed out perspective? I can't see shit.I totally agree. I'm sure the club can afford some decent quality equipment so why are they filming these games on someones iphone?
The camera won't catch the virus from doing close-ups...
Post by: The Edge on June 11, 2020, 11:17:14 AM
Rest assured the broadcasts and cameras will have the usual . This zoomed out filming was merely due to it being a literal behind close doors friendly.It's not just me then? I couldn't tell if it hit the net plus the players didn't seem to acknowledge it? Was a bit odd. I know the proper cameras will be in use once the prem games resume but i thought as the club had gone to the bother of filming the games, even for fitness reviewing purposes, it would be done better? I know nitpicking here but i'm just puzzled by it.
As the score line is irrelevant and the focus is on match fitness then having any major camera operators in didn't seem necessary.
Though I imagine Smith had it filmed and will watch clips back there ll be little for public broadcast.
Agree it's so far away gives a sort of spy element to it ! However I think in 2020 drones and camera work should be close up and clearer even with social distancing rules
On that Grealish goal was hard to see it clearly hit the net the other day.
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2020, 12:26:21 PM
Rest assured the broadcasts and cameras will have the usual . This zoomed out filming was merely due to it being a literal behind close doors friendly.It's not just me then? I couldn't tell if it hit the net plus the players didn't seem to acknowledge it? Was a bit odd. I know the proper cameras will be in use once the prem games resume but i thought as the club had gone to the bother of filming the games, even for fitness reviewing purposes, it would be done better? I know nitpicking here but i'm just puzzled by it.
As the score line is irrelevant and the focus is on match fitness then having any major camera operators in didn't seem necessary.
Though I imagine Smith had it filmed and will watch clips back there ll be little for public broadcast.
Agree it's so far away gives a sort of spy element to it ! However I think in 2020 drones and camera work should be close up and clearer even with social distancing rules
On that Grealish goal was hard to see it clearly hit the net the other day.
Maybe this view is better for analysing the positioning of players, etc. If it's correct that the recordings are mostly for the management team to review then that makes sense.
On Trez I think his biggest problem this season has been that he's trying too hard, he never stops running, he wants to be involved in everything and in a way it's admirable but the problem is that he's knackered all the time and gets caught out of position too much. If he can calm the fuck down I think there's a good player in there.
Post by: David_Nab on June 25, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
Being kind he still isn't up to pace of league no the helped by being in and out of the team.Luiz for example you can see how after a dodgy spell has now improved alot from having played games consistently all season
Post by: supertom on June 27, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
He does give it a lot of effort but he looks terrified of Premiership opposition because the game is now hard for him. Whereas before he was taking the piss out of dire defenders. Most defenders here are built like a brick outhouse and can run the 100 meters in 3 seconds, so he's struggling. He's gone from being quite quick, to looking like he runs in treacle.
I do think however, an intense fitness programme and then he'll be useful to us in the Championship. I think he'll do alright there, score a few goals and get playing with a smile on his face. Though I suspect he can't wait to get away from England and play in a less physically demanding league.
El Ghazi on the other hand has more attributes to make it, but puts in half the effort of Trezeguet. He switches off way too much, probably from indifference. Whereas Trez looks hampered by self doubt, which makes you switch off for other reasons. I don't think it's the want of trying with Trez, but he's just gone from a league he was a bit too good for, to a league he's not good enough for. The jump was too big and then with no confidence, you look even worse.
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
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Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 28, 2020, 11:54:34 AM
I'd be delighted if these Turkish rumours are true. One of our more pointless signings last summer.
Off to Fenerbache I think
Post by: OzVilla on June 28, 2020, 11:58:16 AM
He’d just flippin come on. He should have been busting everything to anticipate the ball coming but instead it was half arsed and was a perfect snapshot of where we are.
Post by: CT on July 06, 2020, 09:35:22 PM
Looks like he had a nice day out!
Post by: rougegorge on July 06, 2020, 09:59:37 PM
Just posted some photos on social media of him and his mate Mo from Anfield.That's hardly surprising though. He has got nearly 2 million followers on Twitter, over 6 times as many as Grealish for example.
Looks like he had a nice day out!
A photo shoot with his more famous compatriot is obviously going to go down well in Egypt in particular.
...and the Villa player who has even more followers on Twitter?...
Elmo who comes in with a whopping 2.5 million.
Post by: andyh on July 06, 2020, 10:18:24 PM
Post by: Richard E on July 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2020, 11:21:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2020, 11:26:56 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2020, 11:28:31 PM
aye. But you have to wonder how the original Trezeguet takes being compared to our one though. He didn't have a too bad a career, no need to insult him like.
Indeed
It'd be like Levi Roots from Reggae Reggae Sauce calling himself Bob Marley.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2020, 11:33:46 PM
Didn't he win the Euros for France with a "golden (or was it silver?) goal"?
yeah, hardly deserving of having our one nick his name. Anyone who slags off our poor record of managerial appointments should realise somewhere there's a paid coach we haven't employed who thought our Trezeguet resembled that Trezeguet. The mind boggles...........
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 07, 2020, 07:03:28 AM
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2020, 07:09:27 AM
i didn't even rate the original Trezeguet to be honest.
I’m relieved to see this because I thought I was the only person with this opinion.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2020, 07:25:55 AM
Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2020, 08:38:35 AM
Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Jim Bowen was a TV great. Something more appropriate would be "Madeley", "O'Connor" or "Aspel"
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2020, 08:49:27 AM
Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Look at who we could have signed.
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2020, 08:51:37 AM
Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Look at who we could have signed.
We got the speedboat when we live at the top of a tower block in Druids Heath.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2020, 09:01:45 AM
Never mind love.Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Look at who we could have signed.
We got the speedboat when we live at the top of a tower block in Druids Heath.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2020, 09:24:46 AM
Post by: CT on July 07, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
People from Southampton or other associated by the sea places would win an all expenses trip to Las Vegas whereas people from Druids would indeed win the speedboat. It was a bark to park in the courtyard of Pitmeadow House.
Talking of Southampton, wasn’t there a player for them sometime in the 90’s who played for the first team but wasn’t actually a footballer??
Trezeguet reminds me of that.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 07, 2020, 08:50:05 PM
You could imagine him working well with Guilbert.never did happen :(
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 07, 2020, 08:51:07 PM
Reminds me of Scott Sinclair but better.Probably not better at all
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2020, 08:56:15 PM
People from Southampton or other associated by the sea places would win an all expenses trip to Las Vegas whereas people from Druids would indeed win the speedboat. It was a bark to park in the courtyard of Pitmeadow House.
Talking of Southampton, wasn’t there a player for them sometime in the 90’s who played for the first team but wasn’t actually a footballer??
Trezeguet reminds me of that.
Ali Dia. 'Cousin' of George Weah.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2020, 08:59:49 PM
Post by: brian green on July 07, 2020, 09:03:31 PM
Wasn't Ali Dia proved by his dental records to be 18 years older than he claimed?
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
Wouldn't you be embarrassed if you were as crap as he is to continue to use that nickname?He should change it to Bowen as in Jim.
Look at who we could have signed.
We got the speedboat when we live at the top of a tower block in Druids Heath.
Shall we have a whip round for his bus fare home?
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
Needs to be fucked off asap to the arse end of nowhere division 3 where he’ll fit right in whilst being a drain on the resources of whoever is stupid enough to buy him.
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 08, 2020, 12:42:34 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 08, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2020, 03:09:28 PM
the worst buy of the summer window and second only in idiocy to the loan signing of Drinky.
Has some competition from Konsa, Jota and Wesley and the loan signing of Baston. Rarely has so much money been spent on so little!
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
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Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 04:13:36 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 08, 2020, 05:07:45 PM
He, Jota and 'marvelous' are the donkeys of the Summer.
I'm with you on Jota and Trezeguet but I think there's a player there in Nakamba. Don't get me wrong he has made some terrible mistakes but at other times has looked really impressive. Liverpool at home stands out.
One of the problems we have had this season (among many others) is the constant chopping and changing. We haven't had a settled line up which doesn't allow for growing into your position, developing relationships with other players on the park or increasing confidence.
I would like Nakamba to stay, I think that he could still be good for us.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 09, 2020, 06:27:47 AM
I'd imagine he wont be on massive wages (respectively) and wont get too many offers that improve those wages so I think he'll be here next season and think he'll do ok.
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2020, 08:01:12 AM
Same here, I think Nakamba has the energy to be a poor man's Kante playing higher up the field and trying to win it back in the press, before giving it to someone else with talent very quickly.Maybe ... I may have been a tad harsh.
I'd imagine he wont be on massive wages (respectively) and wont get too many offers that improve those wages so I think he'll be here next season and think he'll do ok.
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2020, 04:20:16 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2020, 04:26:21 PM
Well done Trez after much, justified, criticism two good goals today. Keep it up.
Today shows why I think he'd score a decent amount of goals in the championship, he's a good finisher when he finds a pocket of space in the box.
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2020, 04:27:57 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 12, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
Well done Trez. We’ve all been critical. Best game by far today.
He's a trier, today he converted that into goals, Smith must get right inside his head now and make sure he goes out against Everton knowing precisely what to do and how to do it, what's expected of him, then he'll commit to that.
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2020, 05:08:54 PM
Post by: Chipsticks on July 12, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
Massive credit where it’s due, I’ve been a big critic and he’s won us the game today. Humble pie being consumed here.
Huge humble pie for me too.
I was out at a retro football shirt shop earlier in the week and randomly decided to buy an Egypt shirt for £15. I've been wearing it all week for no reason and now today I'm convinced it's brought us some good luck.
Post by: dicedlam on July 12, 2020, 05:14:21 PM
Massive credit where it’s due, I’ve been a big critic and he’s won us the game today. Humble pie being consumed here.
I need a slice of that pie too. Well done today Trez.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 12, 2020, 05:14:26 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2020, 05:27:05 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2020, 05:29:18 PM
Took his goals well and worked his socks off all game.Got out muscled a few times but kept going.His it a coincidence he played well with his mate Elmo behind him ?
The first time they played together they did well if I recall correctly.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2020, 06:33:33 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 12, 2020, 06:44:01 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
Wonder if he'd be any good centrally?
On balance I'd still cash in though.
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 06:56:12 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2020, 05:21:48 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/14/trezeguet-shirt-competition
Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2020, 05:27:17 PM
He ran his socks off today, 2 nice finishes. Pleased for him.
Thought he was poor up until his first goal, but after that and when we got on the front foot, you could just see his confidence and belief grow.
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2020, 05:31:19 PM
Post by: brontebilly on July 14, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
His first was exactly like the Liverpool goal (and also a bit like the Leicester goal from the other side). As much as I think he's limited he does have a knack of reading crosses and getting on the end of them (Chelsea another example).
Wonder if he'd be any good centrally?
On balance I'd still cash in though.
He can get into good positions, unlucky with the bundled goal at Old Trafford for example. 6 goals in 38 games in his first season in English football is a reasonable return, particularly as one of them put us in a cup final. But 2 assists tells its own story. Simply does not have the technical ability, guile, strength or pace to play at a high level. I don't think he would be capable of performing like AA did for us in the second tier either really. Hopefully we can get most of the money we paid for him back and go again.
AEG, despite his woeful form of late, is still the one with the most potential from the pair of them.
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2020, 12:10:11 AM
Win a Trez shirt
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/14/trezeguet-shirt-competition
Christ's chin, the "On This Day" feature at the bottom of the page is the most obscure Villa commemoration you could imagine.
"Brett Sinks The Brewers"
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On this day in 2012, Villa beat Burton Albion 2-1 away in a friendly which was Paul Lambert’s first game as manager.
Villa went behind against the Brewers to a Robbie Weir goal but drew level with an own goal before Australian Brett Holman, recently signed from Dutch club Alkmaar, netted the winner.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2020, 05:50:21 AM
Maybe you can have the same letters
Et tu gezer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 15, 2020, 07:56:04 AM
Post by: in exile on July 15, 2020, 08:31:51 AM
Fuck him and his agent.
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2020, 04:44:13 PM
He seems to me he does better when he doesn't have time to think on the ball.
Like Gabby and Vass and Daley. More speed than brain.
Post by: frank black on July 15, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
He seems to me he does better when he doesn't have time to think on the ball.
Like Gabby and Vass and Daley. More speed than brain.
Yep but without the pace.
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2020, 08:50:27 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on July 15, 2020, 10:38:14 PM
He seems to me he does better when he doesn't have time to think on the ball.
Like Gabby and Vass and Daley. More speed than brain.
He isn’t fit to lace the boots of those three. All great servants for the club even if Gabby has spoiled his legacy
Post by: rougegorge on July 15, 2020, 11:06:54 PM
He's wholehearted and works hard. I saw him running down the towpath at Gas Street during lockdown which although only fleeting, gave the impression of someone keeping himself in shape.He seems to me he does better when he doesn't have time to think on the ball.
Like Gabby and Vass and Daley. More speed than brain.
He isn’t fit to lace the boots of those three. All great servants for the club even if Gabby has spoiled his legacy
However, I agree he's not up to their level and he's not especially quick.
Post by: dicedlam on July 17, 2020, 11:08:14 AM
My son just sent me this from the Instagram account of Mbaye Diagne.
Not sure if it is a fake account or just him rambling bollocks?
(https://i.ibb.co/RBR6MrQ/IMG-1961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RBR6MrQ)
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
It doesn't matter if you want to keep him or not, from what I've read, his agent is looking for a move if we get relegated.
Fuck him and his agent.
Well he won’t play anywhere bigger than Aston Villa that’s for certain, not sure he should even be playing for Villa based on the entirety of the season.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 17, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
My son just sent me this from the Instagram account of Mbaye Diagne.
Not sure if it is a fake account or just him rambling bollocks?
(https://i.ibb.co/RBR6MrQ/IMG-1961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RBR6MrQ)
If it was there it’s been taken down. Curious.
Post by: glinch on July 17, 2020, 04:29:17 PM
My son just sent me this from the Instagram account of Mbaye Diagne.
Not sure if it is a fake account or just him rambling bollocks?
(https://i.ibb.co/RBR6MrQ/IMG-1961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RBR6MrQ)
If it was there it’s been taken down. Curious.
Its not, its still there: https://www.instagram.com/p/CChcbBppIyH/
Scroll through the pictures
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Post by: London Villan on July 21, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
It doesn't matter if you want to keep him or not, from what I've read, his agent is looking for a move if we get relegated.
Fuck him and his agent.
Well he won’t play anywhere bigger than Aston Villa that’s for certain, not sure he should even be playing for Villa based on the entirety of the season.
Well I'm glad he played tonight.
Post by: manic-road on July 21, 2020, 10:15:31 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2020, 10:54:35 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on July 21, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
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Post by: Mellin on July 21, 2020, 11:52:12 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2020, 11:55:26 PM
Mahmoud Allback.
I don't think he ever scored a goal that wasn't important either.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 22, 2020, 09:14:52 AM
Post by: Ian. on July 22, 2020, 09:24:54 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 22, 2020, 09:32:54 AM
I'm starting to wonder if it's a confidence thing. We're starting to see a player there, now he's getting an extended run in the team, and I'm wondering if he'd actually be better suited up front? He can clearly finish, so maybe he's an option when we don't need a battering ram up front?
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2020, 09:46:39 AM
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Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
I was saying to my boy 50 seconds before he scored, the only reason they play him is because we have an egyptian owner but thank the mcgrath we did last night.
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2020, 10:01:56 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2020, 10:10:05 AM
He looks for that chance to come in from the right and he has shown he has decent technique.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 22, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
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Post by: supertom on July 28, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
Trezeguet to stay.
I think AEG has had his time though. I'd be looking to sell.
Post by: CT Villan on July 28, 2020, 02:36:53 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Trez works exceptionally hard to protect his fullback but does not possess the ability to go past opposition defenders, be it by skill or raw speed. I can understand why Dean would like him with his work rate, but we need more, something akin to what we saw with Ashley Young would be perfect. Keep him as a squad player for now.
Trez is a good option to play against teams like Liverpool where they push the fullbacks really high and he's good if you're chasing a goal late in a game because he is a good finisher and finds some decent spaces in the box.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on July 28, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
Getting him into that situation more often is the crux and improvements in the midfield and central striker would help us to be more dominant.
Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2020, 09:01:18 PM
3 players have improved since lockdown,Konsa,Luiz and Trez. And if Luiz' running style reminds me of Mortimer,then this guy reminds me a bit of Graydon who was not technically a great winger but he was the best finisher at the club in his time and Trez looks the most at ease when presented with a scoring opportunity.A take your point about his improvement and work-rate, but some of his shots really are powder-puff! And I've seen him try a couple of highly-improbable bicycle kicks (obviously, he didn't meet Ellis).
Getting him into that situation more often is the crux and improvements in the midfield and central striker would help us to be more dominant.
Post by: robleflaneur on July 28, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
I think his forte is finishing in the box rather than power from outside the box.More I think about who is our best finisher,I would plump for Hourihane who is good at keeping calm and can hit them from more of a distance.Even more of a 'luxury' than Trez as his lack of athleticism,described by someone on here as a hologram,is a severe weakness at this level.Anyway ,I feel quite optimistic about Trez ,unlike AEG who, despite being acclimatised to English football,seems out of his depth at this level.3 players have improved since lockdown,Konsa,Luiz and Trez. And if Luiz' running style reminds me of Mortimer,then this guy reminds me a bit of Graydon who was not technically a great winger but he was the best finisher at the club in his time and Trez looks the most at ease when presented with a scoring opportunity.A take your point about his improvement and work-rate, but some of his shots really are powder-puff! And I've seen him try a couple of highly-improbable bicycle kicks (obviously, he didn't meet Ellis).
Getting him into that situation more often is the crux and improvements in the midfield and central striker would help us to be more dominant.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
Post by: thick_mike on July 29, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
It records the quickest that they ran at some point in any match during the season. He was fourth after the two above and Kyle Walker who was first.
Shane Long and Phil Foden are also in the top ten, which probably shoes it doesn't really say how fast you are in any way that matters.
Post by: brontebilly on July 29, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
Hutton always seemed faster going forward!
Stats wise Trez did well, 7 goals in 39 appearances for his first season in England is good going, some very important goals in the mix there too. What I like about him is that he gets in good positions in the box, that's a very handy habit to have that some of our forwards like Davis would love to have. Also he seems an unflappable sort, no matter how bad a performance he put in, and there were several Bowery bad ones (even Newcastle and Everton recently), it never seemed to effect his confidence too much.
However, stats aside, I really don't think Trez has any sort of long term future in the premier league. He lacks just about everything else and his lack of assists from out wide is telling. I firmly expect he is another Weimann or Allback that will be quickly found out for a lack of ability next season.
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
It records the quickest that they ran at some point in any match during the season. He was fourth after the two above and Kyle Walker who was first.
Shane Long and Phil Foden are also in the top ten, which probably shoes it doesn't really say how fast you are in any way that matters.
No mention of Engels?
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
Hutton always seemed faster going forward!
That's because he just came flying out of defence and charged forward, without much appreciation for what else was going on, until he was tackled or just lost the ball.
It worked.........once :)
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2020, 01:07:44 PM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
It records the quickest that they ran at some point in any match during the season. He was fourth after the two above and Kyle Walker who was first.
Shane Long and Phil Foden are also in the top ten, which probably shoes it doesn't really say how fast you are in any way that matters.
No mention of Engels?
He was 12th, just behind Ashley Westwood.
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
apparently recorded as the third fastest player in the PL after Adama Traore and Greenwood
That sounds crazy...wasn’t Hutton supposed to be one of the fastest in the Premier too? I think there’s something wrong with their clocks.
It records the quickest that they ran at some point in any match during the season. He was fourth after the two above and Kyle Walker who was first.
Shane Long and Phil Foden are also in the top ten, which probably shoes it doesn't really say how fast you are in any way that matters.
No mention of Engels?
He was 12th, just behind Ashley Westwood.
Out of 11?
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 29, 2020, 06:43:00 PM
I said how quick he was and that often got him a place in the team.
Also had the inklings , and stated, he would have a big say in our season - he did.
One thing of note is he hasn't hit the consistency of merit we all hoped for.
Sometimes he plays like on a fast forward pressed button but earned his right to be part of next season for me on what offered over season and especially coming up with goals.
Hoping progresses on at villa so we could give him the footballing equivalent of the Order of Honor Star. Suso at least never sold us down the Nile with Trez showing up (albeit with mighty inconsistencies)
Post by: Smithy on August 01, 2020, 12:33:02 PM
Post by: ktvillan on August 01, 2020, 08:04:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2020, 08:24:08 PM
Post by: ktvillan on August 01, 2020, 09:28:17 PM
Post by: rougegorge on August 01, 2020, 09:49:59 PM
I don't really care how quick he is or isn't, it's how effective he is or isn't. And for most of the season he was ineffective. Traore was like lightning when with us but produced nothing. Defenders learned they could just let him run himself off the pitch. I can't think of any of the goals Trezeguet ended up scoring being down to being quick - more right place right time, put it away.He scored 4 significant goals, one which led us to a cup final and the other 3 helped us avoid relegation. So I am very grateful from that perspective alone and he tries hard as well.
However, I agree that he didn't make an impact in a lot of games. If we are going to avoid scrabbling around at the bottom, then he wouldn't be at the forefront of the plans.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2020, 11:12:21 PM
I don't really care how quick he is or isn't, it's how effective he is or isn't. And for most of the season he was ineffective. Traore was like lightning when with us but produced nothing. Defenders learned they could just let him run himself off the pitch. I can't think of any of the goals Trezeguet ended up scoring being down to being quick - more right place right time, put it away.
Not saying Trezeguet either has the talent nor the potential for growth that Traore has/does, but Traore was a prime example of why you don’t leap to judgement on a player. As I say clearly Trez is older and doesn’t have that ability, but perhaps he could learn to harness his pace to add to his game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2020, 11:18:22 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2020, 11:19:42 PM
Think it's worth remembering he's not that young anymore (for a footballer), 26 in October so you'd expect a more rounded player by now. Adama was 19 when he played for us and we've seen Luiz improve as the season went on.
I think we'll cash in on him given he upped his value in last few weeks and seems he's still well thought of in Turkey. Keep AEG as a squad option.
Post by: thick_mike on August 02, 2020, 12:03:50 AM
Statistically Trez and Traore have similarities. Trezegeut played 41 games in all competitions, scoring 6, with 2 assists. Traore played 52 games (13 in Europe) scoring 7 with 12 assists. The last stat is the big difference that he was far more effective creative chances for others, 12 that were converted. And therein lies another important detail. We had the worst forwards in the division. So even if he created more chances, nobody would have put them away. Imagine us with Raul Jimenez up front vs Wes, Samatta or KD. So while I would be mental to suggest Trez is as good as Traore, I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s made out given what he had to work with in his first PL season.
And that’s why these stats are pointless...Traore has a massively bigger impact on a game when he comes on than Trezuget.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
Post by: dave17 on August 02, 2020, 04:00:18 AM
I’ve not said that Traore doesn’t have a greater impact. He has incredible instant acceleration which sets him apart from almost every other winger. And he has better players around him also to take advantage of that. But there is also a reason he often is used as an impact sub because he is at his most lethal later in games when defences are tired. But the stats aren’t pointless. They only reveal a part of any story.Traore looks like a smart footballer with the physical attitudes to spare. Fair play to wolves in their development of him. Stats aside trez scored some really key goals for us but if the two I’d take the former villa player. I feel dead inside after complimenting wolves.
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
And that’s why these stats are pointless...Traore has a massively bigger impact on a game when he comes on than Trezuget.To be fair, Traore has had somewhat longer to 'come good' in England than Trez.
I don't see the raw talent in Trez that Traore demonstrated but I suspect Smith will keep him as a work-in-progress.
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2020, 09:27:22 AM
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
I don't really care how quick he is or isn't, it's how effective he is or isn't. And for most of the season he was ineffective. Traore was like lightning when with us but produced nothing. Defenders learned they could just let him run himself off the pitch. I can't think of any of the goals Trezeguet ended up scoring being down to being quick - more right place right time, put it away.Traore became fully part of Wolves first XI this season and as a team they have not done as well as last season. He went missing in the post lockdown games, did nothing and as result his team did not qualify even for Europa League whereas once they were tipped to make top 4. I doubt it if Traore phenomena has any legs in the long run. (no puns intended ...honest).
Mahmoud has contributed when it mattered. Got us to the final of the League cup and saved us from relegation. And I am not a fan of his.
Post by: Ian. on August 02, 2020, 09:49:45 AM
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2020, 10:29:04 AM
Post by: ktvillan on August 02, 2020, 02:44:12 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 02, 2020, 02:52:31 PM
His instinctive finishing helped us avoid relegation. I can't think of many other contributions he's made coming from deeper or out wide with the ball. No crosses that turn the defence and invite someone to get a toe or head on them (in fact very few crosses that beat the first man at all from what I recall), no killer through balls that I can remember, few if any vital interceptions, very little creative interplay with other forwards to open up a defence. When he has been played in thanks to his pace he puts his head down and blasts his shot straight at the keeper at chest height - he did exactly this at both Arsenal and Spurs away. In contrast, as well as a few important goals I can recall several inviting crosses and a fair amount of good interplay with Grealish etc. from AEG - and I don't think he's good enough either. There may be something there with Trezeguet that will improve with good coaching and adjusting to the intensity of the PL, but we're not renowned for improving players, he's no youngster, and we can't wait around for him to adjust and improve enough to make it worth it.
Agreed. El-Ghazi is clearly a better footballer. Trez did provide one killer cross for McGinn’s headed goal, can’t remember who that was against now. I’d be happy to keep both as squad players.
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2020, 03:00:56 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2020, 03:52:59 PM
I think we'll cash in on him given he upped his value in last few weeks and seems he's still well thought of in Turkey. Keep AEG as a squad option.
I'd cash in while his stock is high. I think we're stuck with AEG, I can't see anybody interested to part with money for him. He'll probably spend the rest of his contract sitting on the bench until January then out on loan in Europe.
Post by: CT on August 02, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
I think we'll cash in on him given he upped his value in last few weeks and seems he's still well thought of in Turkey. Keep AEG as a squad option.
I'd cash in while his stock is high. I think we're stuck with AEG, I can't see anybody interested to part with money for him. He'll probably spend the rest of his contract sitting on the bench until January then out on loan in Europe.
I’d agree in getting rid of one or the other and then getting an upgrade (Benrahma) on the one who stays.
It’s a tough one. But Trez, despite the three late, and vital goals, was mainly awful, beyond awful. I’d agree and cash in while we can.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2020, 04:13:20 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
A player proven at Premier League level will cost a lot more than £20 million. You pays yer money...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2020, 04:13:55 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
Like with Grealish, I don't think there's much doubt that he can cut it at a level above. I fear we should've bought him last year as there'll be bigger fish ahead of us who'll want him.
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2020, 04:15:11 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
Well I'd say he looks better at Championshiplevel than El Ghazi ever did. He's faster and able to beat a man more easily for a start.
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2020, 04:16:41 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
Like with Grealish, I don't think there's much doubt that he can cut it at a level above. I fear we should've bought him last year as there'll be bigger fish ahead of us who'll want him.
Anf of course, if Brentford win the final, the need to sell him will be massively diminished.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
I think we'll cash in on him given he upped his value in last few weeks and seems he's still well thought of in Turkey. Keep AEG as a squad option.
I'd cash in while his stock is high. I think we're stuck with AEG, I can't see anybody interested to part with money for him. He'll probably spend the rest of his contract sitting on the bench until January then out on loan in Europe.
There's a good player lurking in AEG. Spurs at home he was really good first half, direct and set up the own goal with a good cross Then Southampton away the next week he stubs his toe and wants out after 20 minutes of a huge six pointer. Makes a miracle recovery and sets up the goal at Wembley and then his useless with the rest of them at Leicester.
Four games that sum up how wildly inconsistant he is. Perhaps he can kick on a bit next season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2020, 04:50:29 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
Well I'd say he looks better at Championshiplevel than El Ghazi ever did. He's faster and able to beat a man more easily for a start.
I don't disagree with that. AEG also only cost 8m in the end so much less of a financial gamble or sense of expectations. But again, he's beating Championship full backs, not to say he won't translate that to the top tier. We'll just have to wait and see. And wasn't he valued by Brentford in excess of 20m last summer which is why we didn't get him? I imagine they will want as much if not more one year on, and certainly more if they come up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2020, 04:51:15 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
A player proven at Premier League level will cost a lot more than£20 million. You pays yer money...
Yep, nowadays an Alex Iwobi costs north of 30m.
Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2020, 10:54:39 PM
What we do not know for sure is if Benrahma is actually an upgrade until he plays consistenly at the PL level. We all know it's one thing looking great against Championship level defenders but another to make that leap to the top level. Not saying he's not able to make that jump but it's still a risk to splash out what could be 20M plus on a player that just isn't proven against the best defenders in English football.
A player proven at Premier League level will cost a lot more than£20 million. You pays yer money...
Yep, nowadays an Alex Iwobi costs north of 30m.
Fuck me, Everton have had their trousers taken down so many times over the last few transfer windows. It’s like they took up our mantle once we’d got relegated, determined to make our transfer ineptitude look twee in comparison.
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2020, 11:04:46 PM
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Post by: dave17 on August 03, 2020, 01:16:18 AM
Trezeguet just helped keep a team up in the PL with 3 crucial goals. He’s added to his value and added to his personal income I imagine if he does move.His old school sneaky back post routine is worth 10m alone. Flattered to deceive but his goals on the league cup and the prem means he’s worth what we paid and if he goes, he’s one of us
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2020, 10:12:23 AM
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
He'd probably go somewhere like Turkey and they aren't paying 12-15m for him imo, especially in the current financial climate.
12m Turkish Lira would be about right.
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 03, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 05, 2020, 12:46:40 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 05, 2020, 12:53:23 AM
He could have bagged a brace too, had his teammates looked up and saw that he was in acres of space!
Post by: shirley_villan on October 05, 2020, 01:08:32 AM
Post by: Matt C on October 05, 2020, 02:27:18 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 08:37:51 AM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 05, 2020, 08:58:27 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 05, 2020, 09:04:46 AM
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
Post by: Ian. on October 05, 2020, 09:19:35 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 05, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
He's responded brilliantly to Traore's signing, which is exactly what the team needs.
Yes no coincident at all.
Post by: Mister E on October 05, 2020, 09:45:51 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 05, 2020, 10:10:35 AM
He needs to stop thinking he can score worldies from 20-25 yards out, and concentrate on being the water-carrier: he played with heart, energy and guile yesterday; he doesn't need to try things that are clearly not his strong suite.
He’s sofa good.
I’m very very sorry.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 05, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on October 05, 2020, 10:21:03 AM
Post by: manic-road on October 05, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 05, 2020, 01:44:58 PM
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 05, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Great work ethic, really brings energy and humility to the side.
Got goals in him and can see him and Cashy building a good relationship.
Post by: supertom on October 05, 2020, 10:05:57 PM
Trezeguet is the Albrighton.
(conversely, Jack works a lot harder across the pitch than Mahrez).
Our midfield and attack seems to have a very good blend, and key to that is having someone like Trez. He's gained a lot of confidence since getting a run in the side (and getting those key goals at the end of last season), and that's also helped his decision making. He's more composed now.
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 05, 2020, 10:12:12 PM
Can you also forget that I said the same about Joe Bennett, Niklas Helenius, Libor Kozak, Carles Gil and Aleksandar Tonev?
Post by: PeterWithe on October 05, 2020, 10:25:15 PM
Post by: Border villan on October 05, 2020, 10:27:29 PM
Carles Gil was a decent player in a team that didn't suit the way he played. The others weren't.
He would have thrived if he played with SJM and Doug.
Post by: Steve67 on October 05, 2020, 10:28:17 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 05, 2020, 10:35:41 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 10:40:49 PM
Carles Gil was a decent player in a team that didn't suit the way he played. The others weren't.
He would have thrived if he played with SJM and Doug.
He was weak as piss, and as far as I know has done nothing since moving on.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 05, 2020, 10:43:04 PM
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2020, 10:51:01 PM
Carles Gil was a decent player in a team that didn't suit the way he played. The others weren't.
He would have thrived if he played with SJM and Doug.
He was weak as piss, and as far as I know has done nothing since moving on.
Compared to Jota he was like Mike Tyson.
Post by: ktvillan on October 06, 2020, 12:23:37 AM
For once he produced some good passes, crosses and exchanges, and took up some good positions. I do wonder if he isn't picked out more because he's fluffed quite a few good chances when put through, with an early tendency to hit it straight at the keeper. He is improving and seems a decent hard working lad, but I still think we could do better.
Post by: LeeB on October 06, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
Up to now I've thought of him as pretty hopeless. Sunday was the first time I've seen that there might be a bit more to him than chasing around like an eager puppy tripping over it's own tail, and the odd snap shot goal where he doesn't have time for panic to set in.
For once he produced some good passes, crosses and exchanges, and took up some good positions. I do wonder if he isn't picked out more because he's fluffed quite a few good chances when put through, with an early tendency to hit it straight at the keeper. He is improving and seems a decent hard working lad, but I still think we could do better.
We could, but we could also throw the balance of the side out trying to do so, going for an easier on the eye option and losing the defensive discipline that's the bedrock of the teams suscces.
I'm not saying we would, but I think it's often the downfall of emerging sides, it's a difficult balance.
Post by: rooboy316 on October 06, 2020, 12:47:27 AM
Up to now I've thought of him as pretty hopeless. Sunday was the first time I've seen that there might be a bit more to him than chasing around like an eager puppy tripping over it's own tail, and the odd snap shot goal where he doesn't have time for panic to set in.
For once he produced some good passes, crosses and exchanges, and took up some good positions. I do wonder if he isn't picked out more because he's fluffed quite a few good chances when put through, with an early tendency to hit it straight at the keeper. He is improving and seems a decent hard working lad, but I still think we could do better.
Agree with this. At times I watch him and it reminds me of Brett Holman. Lots of effort, which in certain game situations compensates for the lack of skill and composure. Passing and crossing certainly lifted many levels against the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', so hopefully the trajectory continues!
Post by: Caribbeanvillan on October 06, 2020, 01:13:43 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on October 06, 2020, 01:44:56 AM
Can I just point out that I've said all along he'd look the part this season?
Can you also forget that I said the same about Joe Bennett, Niklas Helenius, Libor Kozak, Carles Gil and Aleksandar Tonev?
Weren’t we sitting next to each other trying to convince ourselves Drinkwater would play himself into fitness too? Either way, a lovely time to be a Villa fan. Hope you are well Dave.
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 06, 2020, 02:03:43 AM
Can I just point out that I've said all along he'd look the part this season?
Can you also forget that I said the same about Joe Bennett, Niklas Helenius, Libor Kozak, Carles Gil and Aleksandar Tonev?
Weren’t we sitting next to each other trying to convince ourselves Drinkwater would play himself into fitness too? Either way, a lovely time to be a Villa fan. Hope you are well Dave.
We did and I am, thank you.
Post by: richtheholtender on October 06, 2020, 06:41:55 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 06, 2020, 07:07:00 AM
Can I just point out that I've said all along he'd look the part this season?
Can you also forget that I said the same about Joe Bennett, Niklas Helenius, Libor Kozak, Carles Gil and Aleksandar Tonev?
Weren’t we sitting next to each other trying to convince ourselves Drinkwater would play himself into fitness too? Either way, a lovely time to be a Villa fan. Hope you are well Dave.
Whatever happened to drinkwateris he still at the Chels ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2020, 12:02:54 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on October 06, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
He's such a grafter, prefer him to Traore at the moment as he looks well off the pace at the moment.
A bit harsh on Traore. He's played 2 games, one where the team played very well and he played very well and one where the team played poorly and he played poorly. He looked as off the pace in one game as he looked on it in the other.
Post by: supertom on October 06, 2020, 12:26:37 PM
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned but the quality and vision to pick out Watkins for the one v one chance..... simply superb.His delivery is looking a lot better. I think a big part has been composure/confidence. The team clearly love him too. He put in a number of great balls against Liverpool (assist aside). Perhaps his mate Elmo has been teaching him the art of crossing.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 06, 2020, 12:31:40 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 06, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
But I have to say he’s hugely growing on me. He’s an absolute workhouse, giving Cash loads of help, he battles for the team and that cross when Ollie hit the bar, was absolute quality.
He’s still capable of an air shot or a 30 yard ‘optimist of the year’ type shot, but at the moment he’s not letting his place in the team go and fair play to him.
Post by: achilles on October 06, 2020, 06:32:37 PM
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2020, 06:42:18 PM
There has never been an issue with Trez in my opinion. He’s had poor games in the past for sure but he’s always had the ability to progress once he’d grown into the league. And like others He has benefited by having better players around him.He just needs to resist the temptation to shoot from 22-25 yards out - it really isn't currently a skill he possesses.
Post by: paul_e on October 07, 2020, 12:01:06 AM
There has never been an issue with Trez in my opinion. He’s had poor games in the past for sure but he’s always had the ability to progress once he’d grown into the league. And like others He has benefited by having better players around him.He just needs to resist the temptation to shoot from 22-25 yards out - it really isn't currently a skill he possesses.
He's loses all his composure when he tries to hit the bal ltoo hard and his technique falls apart so I agree, he should stop trying those.
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 07, 2020, 12:22:03 AM
or even Trezzers Bremner , as a certain poster may say.
Post by: FatSam on October 07, 2020, 12:48:00 AM
Sunday's game has changed my opinion. As well as getting into great positions as usual (especially for Barkley's missed opportunities, some of which he might have done better with), he hit a series of really good through balls, which looked practiced. He comes across as a really honest player who works hard, follows instructions, implements a game plan, and is eminently 'coachable' as Smith would say. It feels like a balanced team with someone like this alongside the more mercurial (but no less hard working or coachable) Grealish and Barkley. I think he can be an effective player for us.
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 07, 2020, 04:48:40 AM
I've been very critical of Trezeguet in the past. I watched him play for Egypt in the World Cup in Russia and thought he looked very limited. On this basis I wasn't convinced when we signed him, but understood the market we were operating in last summer. His early form for us seemed to back this up. However, later in the season he demonstrated the ability to ghost into the box to score crucial goals. His work rate could not be faulted, but I still thought he was a limited player by the end of the season.
Sunday's game has changed my opinion. As well as getting into great positions as usual (especially for Barkley's missed opportunities, some of which he might have done better with), he hit a series of really good through balls, which looked practiced. He comes across as a really honest player who works hard, follows instructions, implements a game plan, and is eminently 'coachable' as Smith would say. It feels like a balanced team with someone like this alongside the more mercurial (but no less hard working or coachable) Grealish and Barkley. I think he can be an effective player for us.
This is a great post, you get the feeling DS trusts Trezzers to the nth degree, in terms of he listens to the game plan and executes it.
Post by: jwarry on October 07, 2020, 06:07:01 AM
Trez Bremner.
or even Trezzers Bremner , as a certain poster may say.
I was thinking the same thing, limited but every team needs an engine room
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 07, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
Post by: Monty on October 07, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
Trez Bremner.
or even Trezzers Bremner , as a certain poster may say.
I was thinking the same thing, limited but every team needs an engine room
And you know what, his dribbling and passing the other day was great, excellent cross for Watkins' hat trick goal, and it was his balls that should have resulted in Watkins' 4th and 5th goals. He had an absolutely terrific game.
Post by: dave shelley on October 07, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
Post by: MattW on October 07, 2020, 11:48:54 AM
I watched the highlights again. He puts some brilliant balls into the area. Very underrated. He didn’t celebrate when Ollie took the 2nd one in himself though. Good job Ollie did as Trez would’ve been offside had he been put in.
Originally, I also thought he didn't celebrate, but there's a replay shot from directly behind which shows he pumped his right fist.
Post by: Steve67 on October 07, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2020, 10:08:01 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 18, 2020, 10:09:45 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 18, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Has started this season absolutely superbly. Has proven between the way he ended last season and so far this that he belongs at this club and this level. His work rate is outstanding and we haven’t seen get amongst the goals yet. Has kept Traore out on merit.
Thought was our best player first half
Post by: CT on October 18, 2020, 10:14:07 PM
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 18, 2020, 10:14:27 PM
All champions have one.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 18, 2020, 10:21:45 PM
But just to be a teeny bit critical, I expected him to put that chance away tonight. It's become his forte, ghosting in like that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 18, 2020, 10:26:13 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 18, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
Real work horse.
Post by: algy on October 18, 2020, 10:31:51 PM
I love Trezzers.Yep - I think he's ace. Has well & truly grown in to his place in the first team
All champions have one.
Post by: Ian. on October 18, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 19, 2020, 09:24:19 AM
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Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2020, 10:22:41 AM
I have to confess being completely wrong about him. I thought he was a show pony with nothing to show. He's actually a workhorse.
At one time he could be bullied but I think he’s worked hard on his strength and fitness to adapt the demands side of the PL. Credit to him and the coaching staff.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 19, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
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Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
Think he can be added to the list of Konsa and Luiz who have really stepped up. Thought he played really well last night and Traore's going to find it hard to get into the team. Good understanding developing between Trez and Cash.
I never had any doubts about Konsa and Luiz, but I didn't think Trez would be this much better. If having Traore around has improved him, then that's Traore paid for already.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 19, 2020, 01:06:21 PM
I've always had a soft spot for Trez. Glad to finally see he's making his mark - Was unlucky not to get a goal from that Grealish layoff last night too.
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2020, 01:29:29 PM
He's a trier, never stops and gets on without complaint.
Post by: Smithy on October 19, 2020, 08:03:49 PM
In a defeat or a poor performance he's the sort of player that looks bad, but in victory, brilliant.
He's a trier, never stops and gets on without complaint.
I'd love to see some stats on distances covered during matches, because he does give the impression that he covers a LOT of ground. It could be misleading, but like you said, it appears like he never stops.
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 20, 2020, 03:02:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/NykKVmF/av-shape.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NykKVmF)
Interesting to look at the average positions the other night, Trez & Cash much deeper to counteract Barnes.
Also look how high Grealish is, might explain why Targett sometimes gets exposed with overloads e.g. Fulham this season.
Strange that neither Liverpool nor Leicester focused their attacks down the left, it is the best way to get at us.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 20, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/NykKVmF/av-shape.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NykKVmF)
Interesting to look at the average positions the other night, Trez & Cash much deeper to counteract Barnes.
Also look how high Grealish is, might explain why Targett sometimes gets exposed with overloads e.g. Fulham this season.
Strange that neither Liverpool nor Leicester focused their attacks down the left, it is the best way to get at us.
Maybe because we didn't let them? I think we've got quite good at funnelling opposition teams' attacks into areas we want rather than they want.
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2020, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
Friday will be interesting because Ayling seems to consider himself as more of a wide midfielder than a defender, will that draw Jack deeper or will be try to keep him up the pitch and feed him in space? If we go with the latter and manage to boss the midfield as we have the last few games I think he'll destroy them.
Post by: Dr Butler on October 20, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
During the commentary of the first half that I had with my coverage (sounded like Warwick Davis was commentating), he said that Grealish had let Castagne (sp?) run off him several times. I didn't have the benefit of an overhead view so couldn't tell but I'm sure Southgate would have highlighted it as a reason why he doesn't select him.
that and that he isn't Mason Mount...
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 20, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
I think you're looking at it back-to-front. Teams defend narrower and deeper on their right side in an attempt to combat Jack which gives Targett the space to go forward, Trez doesn't cause the same fear on the other side so left backs are more willing to get up the pitch. Barnes being their most creative player skewed it further though.
Friday will be interesting because Ayling seems to consider himself as more of a wide midfielder than a defender, will that draw Jack deeper or will be try to keep him up the pitch and feed him in space? If we go with the latter and manage to boss the midfield as we have the last few games I think he'll destroy them.
yep, an alternative way of looking at it for sure.
agreed on your second point re: leeds, especially with them not having phillips to shuttle over and shut down that space like he's done v. effectively against jack in recent fixtures.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2020, 09:04:29 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 08, 2020, 09:07:02 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 09:08:41 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
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Post by: Tucson Villain on November 08, 2020, 09:43:32 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 08, 2020, 10:14:27 PM
Quote
The pivotal period of this game, you felt, came around an hour in. Arsenal were knocking at the door in search of an equaliser. Crosses came and went. Chances whistled past either post. For a while, it felt like Aston Villa might have to settle in for a long and painful rearguard. At which point, they seemed to come to a crucial realisation. They were better than Arsenal. And so in a rampant, crushing climax, they set about proving it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/08/arsenal-aston-villa-premier-league-match-report
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 08, 2020, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 09, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
I do like the opening paragraph of the Guardian report:QuoteThe pivotal period of this game, you felt, came around an hour in. Arsenal were knocking at the door in search of an equaliser. Crosses came and went. Chances whistled past either post. For a while, it felt like Aston Villa might have to settle in for a long and painful rearguard. At which point, they seemed to come to a crucial realisation. They were better than Arsenal. And so in a rampant, crushing climax, they set about proving it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/08/arsenal-aston-villa-premier-league-match-report
Lovely stuff.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2020, 06:59:22 PM
Post by: Dave on November 09, 2020, 07:34:33 PM
So a question on Trez’s reaction when the first goal went in. Everyone who came up to him to celebrate he looked a bit pissed off. Or in some pain. That’s until he saw Matty approach him and it was complete look of delight and joy. Is it just their happiness and love on display?
Obviously it's all amateur psychology (with the emphasis heavily on amateur) but if I had to guess - initial annoyance because he clearly really likes scoring goals, and he knew that he hadn't scored. Then a couple of seconds later, realising that it didn't really matter.
Post by: CT on November 09, 2020, 07:38:04 PM
Think he can be added to the list of Konsa and Luiz who have really stepped up. Thought he played really well last night and Traore's going to find it hard to get into the team. Good understanding developing between Trez and Cash.
I never had any doubts about Konsa and Luiz, but I didn't think Trez would be this much better. If having Traore around has improved him, then that's Traore paid for already.
I have to admit, me neither. When I saw the shots of him having put on some timber before pre season, I feared the worst.
He’s absolutely cementing that spot in the team though now.
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 09, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 09, 2020, 07:57:47 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 09, 2020, 08:02:56 PM
I remember the pre season pics of the team climbing a mountain or something, he looked like the happiest man in the world. I love him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2020, 08:05:07 PM
One of the most hard working players we’ve had in years.
A modern version of Paul Birch
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
One of the most hard working players we’ve had in years.
A modern version of Paul Birch
I thought that last night as well.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 09, 2020, 09:21:19 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 09:41:57 PM
Think he can be added to the list of Konsa and Luiz who have really stepped up. Thought he played really well last night and Traore's going to find it hard to get into the team. Good understanding developing between Trez and Cash.
I never had any doubts about Konsa and Luiz, but I didn't think Trez would be this much better. If having Traore around has improved him, then that's Traore paid for already.
I have to admit, me neither. When I saw the shots of him having put on some timber before pre season, I feared the worst.
He’s absolutely cementing that spot in the team though now.
I think we got good value for money on every signing last summer except Jota, a handful are absolute bargains, a couple had serious injuries that have forced us to sign replacements and potentially stopped them having the impact they could be having now and a few were largely squad filler to give us more depth. I doubt we'd lose money on many of them (excluding Jota who's gone and Heaton who was signed knowing he'd have no resale value) other than possibly Wesley and that's injury related. Across the lot I reckon we'd double our money if we sold them now, Konsa, Mings and Luiz would break us even on their own, in my opinion.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2020, 10:01:15 PM
Across the two windows we spent around 150m on 16 players (including loans). I know there are wages, other fees but strictly transfer fees that works out to under 10m a player, which at a PL level is a pittance. And many who weren't immendiately at PL level struggled to adjust. But of the players still left at the club are there any that have significantly declined in value? I would say no, although some may have at worst stayed the same like AEG, Nakamba, Wes, Heaton, Hause and Engels. But it would be hard to argue that based on current PL player valuations the rest have not appreciated in value:
MINGS - now an England international
LUIZ - now a Brazil international (yes I get there is buy back clause) but based on what we paid he's worth a lot more.
TARGETT - Given the lack of depth at that position internationally he may not be far off now and he's improved since he joined.
TREZ/KONSA - Both have had a superb season so far
As much as last year was hard we are starting to see that some of these players just needed time and some better players added to the squad around them. And that very much applies to Jack who has stepped up another level.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 09, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 11:01:26 PM
There was a comment made amongst the gushing by Michael Owen about us not having anything to show for the money we spent last year. I disagree.
Across the two windows we spent around 150m on 16 players (including loans). I know there are wahes, other fees but strictly transfer fees that works out to under 10m a player, which at a PL level is a pittance. And many who weren't immendiately at PL level struggled to adjust. But of the players still left at the club are there any that have significantly declined in value? I would say no, although some may have at worst stayed the same like AEG, Nakamba, Wes, Heaton, Hause and Engels. But it would be hard to argue that based on current PL player valuations the rest have appreciated in value:
MINGS - now an England international
LUIZ - now a Brazil international (yes I get there is buy back clause) but based on what we paid he's worth a lot more.
TARGETT - Given the lack of depth at that position internationally he may not be far off now and he's improved since he joined.
TREZ/KONSA - Both have had a superb season so far
As much as last year was hard we are starting to see that some of these players just needed time and some better players added to the squad around them. And that very much applies to Jack who has stepped up another level.
As above, given where fees are right now I reckon the 5 you've named and McGinn are 'worth' all the money we spent since the owners came in.
Ake sets the value for central defenders so around £40m for Mings and Konsa.
Luiz and McGinn you look at Havertz, van de Beek and Partay and have to think £50m is fair for 2 players who've got 18months experience in the league.
Targett has improved and would be worth similar to Castagne so 20-25m.
Trez is harder to find comparisons for, he's not on a level with Ziyech(£36m) or Diogo Jota(£40m) so £25m-ish is probably fair, putting him around the same place as Rodrigo.
That's £230m-ish which is pretty much everything we've spent and has a lot of players not included.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2020, 03:31:36 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 10, 2020, 04:07:09 AM
After this, I can no longer agree with Michael Owen on any subject.
Post by: villa for life on November 10, 2020, 07:09:42 AM
Post by: manic-road on November 10, 2020, 07:49:14 AM
Wonder if we could still get back the 8million we paid for Heaton. Quite a few clubs with dodgy goalkeepers so it might be a good idea to sell in January. Steer is plenty good enough to be our No.2, and Heaton is going to want to play, so may work out well for all parties.
No, if our No1 was to get a long term injury I would want Heaton in-between the sticks.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Ps error in my original post. For clarification I am arguing those 5 HAVE appreciated in value and most if not all the rest we bought pretty much kept their value or only slightly depreciated.
I got that, I was trying to put actual values on the players, based on the market.
Post by: manic-road on November 17, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
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Post by: Bobby Boy on December 01, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
It's a cliche but he needs a goal to relax himself in those situations. It's good that he is getting into such great positions but the lack of composure is maybe a sign that he's feeling it mentally a bit.
Post by: Drummond on December 04, 2020, 11:28:59 PM
Trezeguet: The Premier League’s unluckiest player this season
By Gregg Evans and Tom Worville Dec 3, 2020 24
There’s a running joke (if you’ll pardon the pun) at Aston Villa these days that Trezeguet just doesn’t stop running.
His team-mates often wind him up when arrives into Bodymoor Heath by asking the all-action winger whether he’s jogged into training from his apartment in the city centre. It’s this light-hearted ribbing that has helped make him feel more inclusive at a time when he’s had some struggles out on the pitch.
You cannot fault his effort and desire, but the constant debate over whether Villa are better with or without him in the starting line-up rumbles on.
A lack of composure in front of goal this season has seen him come in for criticism and is somewhat undermining his hard graft, which goes under the radar.
He has missed easy chances from close range in the last two matches, both of which Villa have lost by a single goal. These fine margins make a big difference in the Premier League and despite the importance of putting in a shift, goals still outweigh graft.
“He’s disappointed that he hasn’t scored more goals for Aston Villa,” head coach Dean Smith admitted. “But he’s creating chances and I’d only start to worry when he’s not getting opportunities. He works hard for his opportunities and as I’ve said before, his attitude and work rate is second to none and he’s improving all of the time.”
Former Villa striker Gabby Agbonlahor was less complimentary with his analysis, saying Trezeguet “couldn’t finish his dinner” after a spurned opportunity against Brighton & Hove Albion.
Agbonlahor would later apologise for how blunt he was with the remark but then turned on the winger again after another sitter against West Ham United, telling Football Insider: “If that ball fell to anyone else but Trezeguet, they would have scored. In the Premier League, you get punished for not taking easy chances like that.”
So is Trezeguet, a player who scored seven goals in his first season in England for the lowest-ranked Premier League team that avoided relegation, actually too wasteful or just going through a tough time in front of goal?
The underlying numbers for his season so far suggest it might be the latter.
In fact, he could be recognised as the Premier League’s unluckiest player this season, having failed to find the net despite getting chances worth 2.7 expected goals (xG) in total. That difference between goals and expected goals is the highest so far in the league of all non-scorers from open play, just ahead of Oli McBurnie (2.6 xG, no goals) and Richarlison (2.4 xG, no goals from open play).
Expected goals measures the quality of a shooting opportunity, so Trezeguet’s xG total for this season shows he is still getting himself into good goalscoring positions. In fact, he is doing so more often than he was last season.
Here’s last season’s shot map for Trezeguet. Note the average quality of his chances — denoted by xG per shot — is around 0.09, just below the average (0.1) for a winger in the Premier League in the past five seasons.
The sample size for this season is still small (nine Premier League games for Villa), but Trezeguet’s performances have been markedly improved when it comes to getting chances.
He’s upped both the volume of his chances and the quality of them, increasing his xG per 90 minutes to 0.34 from 0.22.
There are fewer speculative efforts from range, with only two of his chances coming from inside the area. Combining expected goals with expected assists — the likelihood a pass will lead to a goal assist — Trezeguet’s overall expected contribution of goals and assists of 0.59 per minutes is just a touch below that of Jack Grealish’s (0.6).
The difference, of course, between Villa’s often-criticised winger and their prized asset is that Grealish already has five goals and five assists this season compared to Trezeguet’s solitary assist.
“It’s important he doesn’t get categorised alongside Jack because there’s only one Jack and a lot of other clubs would like an extra Jack Grealish,” Smith said, laughing. “Trez is very important. His work ethic and attitude are tremendous.”
It’s the never-say-die attitude that Smith values so highly in the £9 million signing.
Trezeguet’s dedication and loyalty to the cause are, at times, infectious. He is desperate to play every minute of every match. In that recent defeat by West Ham, he initially refused to leave the pitch even though he had been substituted because blood was pouring down his face.
There was also the time for Egypt when team-mates asked why, as a sub, he was preparing himself for action during the half-time period even though manager Hector Cuper hadn’t said anything to him about coming on. “I got this match,” he told them, and he would go on to win a stoppage-time penalty that Mohamed Salah scored, sending Egypt to the World Cup for the first time in 28 years.
This might explain why Trezeguet’s former manager Mustafa Denizli described him as a “very passionate boy” in a chat with The Athletic this week.
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Trezeguet was desperate to carry on against West Ham despite his bloodied face (Photo: Frank Augstein – Pool/Getty Images)
Denizli, 71, who worked with him Turkish side Kasimpasa, said: “He can run for anything. If he doesn’t do what he wants first time, he will run everywhere to make it right. He has a problem with himself for not getting the ball in the first place.
“He’s a different guy — very happy when he wins but very down when he loses. He’s a good talent. If you give him the freedom from 35 metres from goal, he can do everything with the ball, he’s so clever.”
Journalist Sinan Yilmaz watched him closely during the fruitful 2018-19 season under Denizli that earned him a move to Villa.
“In his first days at Kasimpasa, he worked very hard to prove himself,” he says. “His crosses, shots and through balls were very effective. He could play on both wings. Eventually, he saw that he was one of the top players in the league and started preserving his energy to focus on the attacking side of the game.
“It’s clear that he realised the necessity to put in the work once again to prove himself at Villa and in the Premier League.”
Remember, it was Trezeguet’s three goals in the last four games of Project Restart that helped Villa stay in the division. Also, aside from his chance creation, he is a far more active player this season compared to last.
Using data from Smarterscout, we can show this by looking at how often Trezeguet is disrupting opposition play when his side is out of possession. Smarterscout is a site that gives detailed analytics on players all over the world, producing a score between 0-99, a bit like the player ratings in the FIFA video games but powered by real data and advanced analytics.
In the pizza chart below, note his ratings when it comes to disrupting opposition moves, ball recoveries and interceptions, and his overall defending quantity, which is a measure that considers how often Trezeguet is the most relevant defender on each opposition ball touch.
In 2019-20, these were all below average for a winger (although he was above average when it came to involvements in aerial duels).
This season, however, his game has changed fairly dramatically.
All of the red slices that were previously below average have shot up. In fact in the Premier League in the past five seasons, only Middlesbrough’s Cristhian Stuani in 2016-17, Everton’s Richarlison in 2018-19 and Tottenham’s Lucas Moura in 2019-20 have put up comparable defensive metrics when playing right wing.
It’s also telling that Trezeguet’s defensive efforts have not come at a cost to his aforementioned attacking stats — he’s got the energy to attack and defend.
“He likes to do everything if he can,” Denizli says, before adding that his decision-making needed to improve to become a real success in the Premier League.
Perhaps that explains why he’s not holding onto the ball as often as he used to.
Growing up at Al Ahly in Egypt, and then moving to Belgium and Turkey, he was often afforded more time on the ball, which allowed him the opportunity to dribble.
Think back to when he first joined Villa. The first impression of him, at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in August 2019, was that he was brave, purposeful and direct, if not as cultured as other wingers that have played before him.
Now, though, he is dribbling with the ball less often compared to last season — attempting 2.4 take-ons and carrying the ball 100 metres per 90 minutes this season compared to 3.7 take-ons and 112 metres of carrying in 2019-2020.
International team-mate Ahmed Elmohamady, a well-respected and senior member of Villa’s team, often guides him through games with tips and advice from the sidelines. It’s helped him become more disciplined defensively.
He is a more “active” defender, but that doesn’t necessarily make him better at stopping the opposition. Looking at his tackling ability on the pizza chart, a score of 45/99 shows he is slightly below-par for a winger.
This season hasn’t quite gone his way yet but he’s started eight of Villa’s nine Premier League games and helped his side win half of them. There’s value in what he does, and appreciation, too. “He is very important,” Smith says.
The challenge now is to start scoring those big chances and unlock his full potential. A firing Trezeguet is an asset to any team.
“His personality is so nice and his heart is so soft,” adds Denizli. “He’s a real team player.”
Trezeguet just now needs his luck to turn
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2020, 12:05:14 AM
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Post by: paul_e on December 05, 2020, 12:53:57 AM
He comes across as the sort of player where everything will suddenly tick (whether it's for a few months or permanently is down to his attitude) and he'll score a shitload. Unfortunately I suspect he's a few years away from that still and he'll finish his career wishing he'd 'got' it a few years earlier.
Post by: Clampy on December 05, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
I like TreZ a lot although I can understand why people might find him frustrating to watch. I don't think him going off the other night helped us to be honest as despite his finishing, he was still causing them problems. His lack of goals this season have been down to bad luck and very bad finishing.
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Post by: Risso on December 06, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
He can’t keep missing sitters no matter how much he runs around.
We don't have much in the way of options though. El Ghazi isn't as good as him, and Traore is showing why the Lyon fans were mostly glad to see the back of him.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 06, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
Perhaps that's the problem as the Arsenal volley he scored with his right foot and pretty sure all his ghosting in at far post goals v likes of Liverpool and Palace last season were right foot finishes.
Post by: charlatan on December 06, 2020, 11:13:57 PM
Just watched his miss v West Ham again as I wasn't sure which foot he hit it with from close range and it was left foot scuffed finish. Same foot as the Brighton sitter.
Perhaps that's the problem as the Arsenal volley he scored with his right foot and pretty sure all his ghosting in at far post goals v likes of Liverpool and Palace last season were right foot finishes.
The Leicester winner was with his left.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 07, 2020, 12:20:51 AM
Just watched his miss v West Ham again as I wasn't sure which foot he hit it with from close range and it was left foot scuffed finish. Same foot as the Brighton sitter.
Perhaps that's the problem as the Arsenal volley he scored with his right foot and pretty sure all his ghosting in at far post goals v likes of Liverpool and Palace last season were right foot finishes.
The Leicester winner was with his left.
Yeah he came in from other side so wasn't sure which foot it was. Just surprising it seems he'd rather shoot with his left at key moments in last two games. Brighton chance he could've quickly shifted onto his right.
Can also remember him hitting the bar with rocket shot at Old Trafford around this time last year and that was a right foot shot so just seems to me the foot he can get more reliable finishes from.
Post by: Drummond on December 07, 2020, 01:51:15 PM
Interesting to see Gabby have a pop at him, considering how badly his own goals dried up and how many one-on-ones he missed in his time.
That's expert punditry for you, he's at least speaking from experience.
Post by: brontebilly on December 07, 2020, 11:04:20 PM
Just watched his miss v West Ham again as I wasn't sure which foot he hit it with from close range and it was left foot scuffed finish. Same foot as the Brighton sitter.
Perhaps that's the problem as the Arsenal volley he scored with his right foot and pretty sure all his ghosting in at far post goals v likes of Liverpool and Palace last season were right foot finishes.
The Leicester winner was with his left.
That goal aside, he can barely kick the ball with his left foot. Watch him attempt to even cross the ball with it, it ain't pretty. Trez has actually improved a lot with his general performances this season but failing to score is knocking his confidence in front of goal. That miss at west ham was incredible really, as bad if not worse than the AEG one v Everton last season. Limited as he is, he continues to get into good positions. Won a penalty at west ham despite being very poor.
Post by: in exile on December 16, 2020, 10:09:43 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 16, 2020, 10:12:27 AM
Out for "several weeks" with a hamstring injury picked up in training.Gives Traore the perfect chance to play himself in properly.
We'll need a couple of decent additions,come January; IMO.
Post by: brontebilly on December 16, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
Out for "several weeks" with a hamstring injury picked up in training.Gives Traore the perfect chance to play himself in properly.
We'll need a couple of decent additions,come January; IMO.
I'd be giving AEG a start over Traore tomorrow night. Traores efforts v Wolves were risible.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 24, 2021, 12:19:14 AM
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2021, 12:20:14 AM
Good to see the doddering old warhorse back tonight. Does his return mean we're missing nobody through injury now? What fantastic selection headaches!
Big Brazilian guy. Striker.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 24, 2021, 12:25:06 AM
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 12:25:08 AM
Good to see the doddering old warhorse back tonight. Does his return mean we're missing nobody through injury now? What fantastic selection headaches!
Big Brazilian guy. Striker.
And Hause.
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2021, 09:42:09 AM
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2021, 09:47:52 AM
What's wrong with Hause?Good to see the doddering old warhorse back tonight. Does his return mean we're missing nobody through injury now? What fantastic selection headaches!
Big Brazilian guy. Striker.
And Hause.
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Post by: LeeB on February 19, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Anyone else find themselves more than a bit concerned to see Trezeguet getting convicted for a double murder on that CSI: Forensics programme the other day?
Oh great, another player out for a long stretch.
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2021, 04:42:46 PM
Post by: TonyD on February 21, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
Somewhere like Bristol Rovers. He’d be a cult hero.
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 04:40:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
Should never ever be played on the left wing. Right side or bench only.
Fine but until Jack returns who the hell can we play on the left? I'm all for Trez playing on the right, especially with Cash out but that would mean pushing Traore over to the left and despite him being left footed, his unorthodox style would be ineffective.
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 04:52:45 PM
Should never ever be played on the left wing. Right side or bench only.
Fine but until Jack returns who the hell can we play on the left? I'm all for Trez playing on the right, especially with Cash out but that would mean pushing Traore over to the left and despite him being left footed, his unorthodox style would be ineffective.
McGinn maybe....certainly not Trez anyway.
Post by: LukeJames on February 21, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2021, 05:03:01 PM
A proper winger is a must in the summer.
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 21, 2021, 05:08:16 PM
0 goals and 1 league assist so far this season is piss poor.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
Yes we know he's limited but we'll need some simple up and down the pitch runners next week to get a result imo. Trez was decent enough start of the season and contributed to some good results from difficult away games.
AEM also struggled badly first half and I presume next week will be too soon for Cash.
Post by: andyh on February 21, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 21, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Personally I'd start him next week!
Yes we know he's limited but we'll need some simple up and down the pitch runners next week to get a result imo. Trez was decent enough start of the season and contributed to some good results from difficult away games.
AEM also struggled badly first half and I presume next week will be too soon for Cash.
I'm in this camp.
Give me him fumbling and bumbling but also winning free kicks and working like a dog, up and down the right, over anonymous performances from more talented performers any day.
Post by: Ian. on February 21, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Me too, I’m in this camp.Personally I'd start him next week!
Yes we know he's limited but we'll need some simple up and down the pitch runners next week to get a result imo. Trez was decent enough start of the season and contributed to some good results from difficult away games.
AEM also struggled badly first half and I presume next week will be too soon for Cash.
I'm in this camp.
Give me him fumbling and bumbling but also winning free kicks and working like a dog, up and down the right, over anonymous performances from more talented performers any day.
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 05:32:57 PM
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Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 06:45:25 PM
I would prefer him than El-Ghazi atm. Trez gives you energy and work-rate. I said earlier in the season that if Trez had a better end product, he could be a top player and I stand by that. In the Southampton home game he could have had a hat-trick if he had that better end product. His problem is that he snatches at things and then when the next chance comes along, he's still kicking himself for missing the previous chance. He's got heart though.I agree but how you have to turn away and try not to laugh when he cocks his leg back to shoot.
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2021, 07:20:53 PM
For that reason alone, he should be taken out of the matchday squad.
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 21, 2021, 07:33:18 PM
He makes terrible decisions - he has never scored for us from outside the box (if my memory serves me) but continues to try to.
For that reason alone, he should be taken out of the matchday squad.
But who do we replace him with?
Post by: Astnor on February 21, 2021, 07:46:11 PM
A player whose actions are always a few seconds behind his thoughts.It seems quite the opposite to me; his thoughts seems a second behind his actions. Also his jumping around when not running is a bit unusal but I think its down to him having a lot of energy and there he is not behind many IMO.
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
What do you mean? - he's not in the current starting XI. In terms of matchday squad, I'd like to see some of the youngsters coming through.He makes terrible decisions - he has never scored for us from outside the box (if my memory serves me) but continues to try to.But who do we replace him with?
For that reason alone, he should be taken out of the matchday squad.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
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Post by: Clampy on February 22, 2021, 01:23:28 PM
Why does running around enthusiastically a lot equate to being worthy of starting a premier league game ?
It's not just running round a lot. Against Arsenal, Odegarrd was lining up a shot and Trez just managed to do enough so he put it over the bar. I like him a lot.
Post by: LeeB on February 22, 2021, 01:43:10 PM
Why does running around enthusiastically a lot equate to being worthy of starting a premier league game ?
It's not just running round a lot. Against Arsenal, Odegarrd was lining up a shot and Trez just managed to do enough so he put it over the bar. I like him a lot.
Yes, I saw that, he chased a lost cause right up to him striking the ball, he put him off and at least stopped him taking a touch first.
Post by: Drummond on February 22, 2021, 01:46:48 PM
Post by: in exile on February 23, 2021, 12:08:50 PM
I would like to see Trez start against Leeds.Why?
Post by: Risso on February 23, 2021, 12:14:18 PM
I would like to see Trez start against Leeds.Why?
Can't speak for Daz, but he's the hardest working of our attacking players, and we're going to need to match Leeds for work rate and running. We can't afford to play Barkley AND Traore in the same game at the moment, so for me it's Trez one side, Traore the other. Either Ramsey or Sanson in Barkley's position. Or put McGinn there, and move Sanson further back, whatever.
Post by: frank black on February 23, 2021, 12:17:17 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2021, 01:04:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 23, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
I would like to see Trez start against Leeds.Why?
Can't speak for Daz, but he's the hardest working of our attacking players, and we're going to need to match Leeds for work rate and running. We can't afford to play Barkley AND Traore in the same game at the moment, so for me it's Trez one side, Traore the other. Either Ramsey or Sanson in Barkley's position. Or put McGinn there, and move Sanson further back, whatever.
This.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 23, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
Post by: danno on February 23, 2021, 03:23:54 PM
He's hard working and has scored some important goals. I get the helping out Elmo argument too. But without Grealish Traore is our most creative player and with Barkley still misfiring it's hard to see where goals will come from if we leave Traore out.
Drop Ross (on head if possible) play Bert.
Post by: ktvillan on February 24, 2021, 11:29:24 AM
He reminds of that dog that runs on the pitch and really wants the ball. I think he’s trying too hard ( if there is such a thing) when he gets his chances off the bench. Lots of hard work zero composure
I think pretty much the same - lots of effort but usually to no great effect. Even when chasing back he seem to chase the ball like a dog rather than cover the runner or try to read where it might go. And despite toe-poking a few goals last season he generally really lacks the composure and decision-making to be much of a genuine threat up front on a consistent basis.
Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2021, 12:33:43 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 24, 2021, 01:59:36 PM
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Tackling
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An average squad player at best for me im afraid
Post by: ktvillan on February 24, 2021, 02:38:38 PM
That was no toe-poke against Leicester! The crucial goals against Palace and Arsenal were classic ghosting-in centre forward play and powerful placement respectively. Give the poor chap a bit of credit ffs!
Fair enough, he had one patch where he scored a few, and they were very important to us staying up - for which all credit to him. I thought that patch might herald an upgrade in his performances but without the goals I just see a nervous bloke looking very busy to no great effect.
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
"Before Aston Villa’s game against Newcastle, Trezeguet has recorded the highest xG of all goalless players in the Premier League, 3.13. That’s higher than the likes of Diogo Jota, Stuart Dallas and James Rodriguez, who have all scored five times.
In total, the Egyptian, who did not score last night either, had attempted 24 shots without scoring. These efforts basically fall into two categories — the optimistic and the incompetent.
The winger’s real name is Mahmoud Ahmed Ibrahim Hassan, and he was nicknamed Trezeguet after a youth coach noticed similarities between his game and that of the World Cup-winning France striker. At the start of this season, though, he seemed to think his name was Van Basten because he continually attempted hugely ambitious volleys having received deep left-wing crosses over on the right flank. These three efforts, two against Sheffield United and one against Manchester United, followed a similar pattern.
In fairness, Trezeguet is capable of scoring goals like that. His last two goals of last season were scored in similar circumstances, both with a set piece half-cleared towards him lingering at the far post.
The more Trezeguet’s scoring drought has gone on, however, the more you start to question his technique. This miss from point-blank range against West Ham United was peculiar — he simply doesn’t get his foot around the ball enough. Maybe it looks awkward because he should have shot with his right foot rather than his favoured left. Lukasz Fabianski makes a save here, but the shot was probably heading wide anyway.
Trezeguet has seemingly started rushing his efforts, taking the shot too early. This miss against Brighton & Hove Albion wasn’t a particularly presentable chance, but it was a good example of him steaming onto the ball, failing to get his head over it, and consequently ballooning it into the stands.
That came after an incredible double-miss from Trezeguet earlier in the game, first when he fired a shot at a defender when half the goal was empty, then when he blazed the rebound over.
Again, the xG numbers suggest that if a player gets into the right positions, the goals will eventually come. It does rely, however, on more calmness and composure than Trezeguet has demonstrated so far this season."
Douglas Luiz 9th on the list.
Source - https://theathletic.com/2442398/2021/03/13/the-premier-leagues-most-unlucky-optimistic-or-just-plain-incompetent-finishers/?source=weeklyemail
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 13, 2021, 02:42:51 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on March 13, 2021, 05:47:08 PM
Trez brings in mind the boy at school who's a bit rubbish at football, but is finally given a chance to play in the team, and when he gets his chance he sure is going to run about alot.
He's one paced too, no speed at all. He's very much a likeable sort but 2 assists in 2 seasons tells its own story.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
Trez is better when he doesn't have time to think. On impulse, with a bit of confidence he's not too bad. Give him time to think and he doesn't really know what to do.
Post by: LukeJames on March 13, 2021, 09:41:50 PM
Post by: frank black on March 13, 2021, 09:51:03 PM
I try and be open minded about him because of his effort and a couple of important goals towards the end of last season that we will forever be grateful for but I made my mind up on him very early into last season and have not Changed it since, I just think hes absolutely shite, I dont see a single thing that he offers, I think even if we were still mid table in the Championship he would still be awful. He's thick as fuck as well when it comes to football intelligence, he gives away some ridiculously cheap free kicks. He'd be the first out the door in the summer if it was upto me.
So you’re still on the fence then?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2021, 10:30:17 PM
I try and be open minded about him because of his effort and a couple of important goals towards the end of last season that we will forever be grateful for but I made my mind up on him very early into last season and have not Changed it since, I just think hes absolutely shite, I dont see a single thing that he offers, I think even if we were still mid table in the Championship he would still be awful. He's thick as fuck as well when it comes to football intelligence, he gives away some ridiculously cheap free kicks. He'd be the first out the door in the summer if it was upto me.Pretty much nailed it, for me.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 14, 2021, 08:37:03 AM
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2021, 12:09:30 PM
At the start of the season many of us were including him in the list of players that have improved. His work-rate and speed on counter attacks both helped Cash to settle without him overly exposed but also helped make us look more of a threat on the break. He was also really unlucky to have not scored in that run of games and could have had several.
The wide forward positions are going to be important to us as we evolve though. I can't see Trez or El Ghazi being integral players over future seasons. Hopefully their values have increased since they've been with us though and they can go for a profit and we can replace them with players who will be a step up.
Post by: London Villan on March 14, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Post by: CT on March 14, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
His workrate can't be questioned, he just isn't a player that should be in a squad aiming for the top half of the league. Would he get anywhere near the first 11 of the teams in above us?
I think over the past decade, we’ve become accustomed to mercenaries who have trousered millions from this club for absolutely no return.
To see this guy charging up and down like a whirling dervish is still so refreshing to see.
But you’re right. He’s just not quite good enough. If he had 10 goals, 10 assists and worked like that, we’d be sat on a £75m player.
Still love his spirit though.
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 16, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
The fact that his "name" is a nickname...why is he allowed to use it or why can't every player choose their nickname for football if they so wish? Just dun't seem right, Tom.
Lots do?
Post by: Risso on March 16, 2021, 03:34:42 PM
The fact that his "name" is a nickname...why is he allowed to use it or why can't every player choose their nickname for football if they so wish? Just dun't seem right, Tom.
Lots do?
Yes, we've had Kun Aguero and Chicharito in the Premier League to name two. Players have to get permission to use a nickname, which is usually granted if they'd used it abroad previously. They also take into account "personal matters" like Dele Alli's relationship with his parents if players want something different on, like their first name.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 16, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
The fact that his "name" is a nickname...why is he allowed to use it or why can't every player choose their nickname for football if they so wish? Just dun't seem right, Tom.
Lots do?
Mr Hulk says hello.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 16, 2021, 03:58:28 PM
Can't fault his desire though.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 16, 2021, 04:04:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
His workrate can't be questioned, he just isn't a player that should be in a squad aiming for the top half of the league. Would he get anywhere near the first 11 of the teams in above us?
I think over the past decade, we’ve become accustomed to mercenaries who have trousered millions from this club for absolutely no return.
To see this guy charging up and down like a whirling dervish is still so refreshing to see.
But you’re right. He’s just not quite good enough. If he had 10 goals, 10 assists and worked like that, we’d be sat on a £75m player.
Still love his spirit though.
This is where I am.
Post by: Clampy on March 25, 2021, 08:20:44 AM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 25, 2021, 09:07:32 AM
Will always score goals and effort is second to none.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 25, 2021, 12:28:46 PM
Could get several seasons out of him depsite him frustrating the heck out of us in sometimes not finishing glorious opportunities I can't have a word against someone who has coped with the lockdown and situation very professionally throughout the last year away from his homeland in a new country and took Aston Villa to his heart . And was an ultimate reason why helped staying up in Prem. Indebted and to give him a season or two extra is fine but he's not going to be winning us leagues that's ok we know what we get with Trez.
I find him quite inspiring in many ways.
I just wished he finished the chances this season!
Post by: The Edge on March 25, 2021, 12:33:59 PM
As we have an Egyptian owner I conclude that is why he is around the squad and team and will be for a while as he is hardly a disruptive influence and has the work ethic if a little erratic in ability to be a solid squad player like Elmo has .I agree with your comments. He's not a champions league winner but he's been a good addition to our squad over the last couple of seasons. His professionalism and work rate can't be questioned.
Could get several seasons out of him depsite him frustrating the heck out of us in sometimes not finishing glorious opportunities I can't have a word against someone who has coped with the lockdown and situation very professionally throughout the last year away from his homeland in a new country and took Aston Villa to his heart . And was an ultimate reason why helped staying up in Prem. Indebted and to give him a season or two extra is fine but he's not going to be winning us leagues that's ok we know what we get with Trez.
I find him quite inspiring in many ways.
I just wished he finished the chances this season!
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 25, 2021, 12:38:56 PM
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 12:48:35 PM
As we have an Egyptian owner I conclude that is why he is around the squad and team and will be for a while as he is hardly a disruptive influence and has the work ethic if a little erratic in ability to be a solid squad player like Elmo has .I agree with your comments. He's not a champions league winner but he's been a good addition to our squad over the last couple of seasons. His professionalism and work rate can't be questioned.
Could get several seasons out of him depsite him frustrating the heck out of us in sometimes not finishing glorious opportunities I can't have a word against someone who has coped with the lockdown and situation very professionally throughout the last year away from his homeland in a new country and took Aston Villa to his heart . And was an ultimate reason why helped staying up in Prem. Indebted and to give him a season or two extra is fine but he's not going to be winning us leagues that's ok we know what we get with Trez.
I find him quite inspiring in many ways.
I just wished he finished the chances this season!
We will never, ever fully progress if we persist with a wide player who offers as little as Trez. To have no goals and 1 assist from all the games he's played this season is atrocious.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 25, 2021, 12:51:51 PM
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 12:55:14 PM
Post by: CT Villan on March 25, 2021, 01:23:29 PM
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 01:29:04 PM
For where we are currently at I don't mind Trez at all. He has a great attitude and isn't as bad as some make out. He would be a squad player for me and will eventually be upgraded on as part of our ongoing project to dominate world footie :)
In what way is he not as bad? You surely need one of your attacking players to create or score goals? He does neither, and is partly why we've scored 3 goals in 7 matches.
Post by: CT Villan on March 25, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
In what way is he not as bad? You surely need one of your attacking players to create or score goals? He does neither, and is partly why we've scored 3 goals in 7 matches.
So by the same theory Watkins, El Ghazi, Davis and Traore must be terrible because they are partly responsible too...and you can add Luiz, McGinn, Cash and Mings to the under-performing list as well. What about Taylor, Engels, Hause and Nakamba - they can't even get a regular spot in the team.
We are a work-in-progress and no where near the finished article. I think the players we have are good for mid-table and many are at, or very near their ceilings. They will be replaced over time as we build towards our goal of being a top team in Europe, but it doesn't happen overnight.
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 02:50:27 PM
In what way is he not as bad? You surely need one of your attacking players to create or score goals? He does neither, and is partly why we've scored 3 goals in 7 matches.
So by the same theory Watkins, El Ghazi, Davis and Traore must be terrible because they are partly responsible too...and you can add Luiz, McGinn, Cash and Mings to the under-performing list as well. What about Taylor, Engels, Hause and Nakamba - they can't even get a regular spot in the team.
We are a work-in-progress and no where near the finished article. I think the players we have are good for mid-table and many are at, or very near their ceilings. They will be replaced over time as we build towards our goal of being a top team in Europe, but it doesn't happen overnight.
Watkins has done the job asked of him this season. He's a tireless worker, and with a bit more luck he'd be on a few more goals. For a young striker playing his first Premier Legause season, he's done very well. El Ghazi and Traore certainly share responsibility though, because they're just as crap and unreliable as Trez, albeit in slightly different ways. I'm not sure where the Cash and Mings argument comes in, because their job isn't to score goals. That's an utterly bizarre argument to make.
Post by: The Edge on March 25, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
El Ghazi, Trez and Traore aren't crap. We are not the finished article we are a work in progress that's gone from surving by a thread to 9th in one of the toughest leagues on the planet and all three have played a part in our progress. We all know that the club will be upgrading the squad to step up to the next level but they're far from crap in my humble opinion.In what way is he not as bad? You surely need one of your attacking players to create or score goals? He does neither, and is partly why we've scored 3 goals in 7 matches.
So by the same theory Watkins, El Ghazi, Davis and Traore must be terrible because they are partly responsible too...and you can add Luiz, McGinn, Cash and Mings to the under-performing list as well. What about Taylor, Engels, Hause and Nakamba - they can't even get a regular spot in the team.
We are a work-in-progress and no where near the finished article. I think the players we have are good for mid-table and many are at, or very near their ceilings. They will be replaced over time as we build towards our goal of being a top team in Europe, but it doesn't happen overnight.
Watkins has done the job asked of him this season. He's a tireless worker, and with a bit more luck he'd be on a few more goals. For a young striker playing his first Premier Legause season, he's done very well. El Ghazi and Traore certainly share responsibility though, because they're just as crap and unreliable as Trez, albeit in slightly different ways. I'm not sure where the Cash and Mings argument comes in, because their job isn't to score goals. That's an utterly bizarre argument to make.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 05:58:37 AM
Post by: Smithy on March 27, 2021, 09:56:16 AM
El Ghazi, Trez and Traore aren't crap. We are not the finished article we are a work in progress that's gone from surving by a thread to 9th in one of the toughest leagues on the planet and all three have played a part in our progress. We all know that the club will be upgrading the squad to step up to the next level but they're far from crap in my humble opinion.In what way is he not as bad? You surely need one of your attacking players to create or score goals? He does neither, and is partly why we've scored 3 goals in 7 matches.
So by the same theory Watkins, El Ghazi, Davis and Traore must be terrible because they are partly responsible too...and you can add Luiz, McGinn, Cash and Mings to the under-performing list as well. What about Taylor, Engels, Hause and Nakamba - they can't even get a regular spot in the team.
We are a work-in-progress and no where near the finished article. I think the players we have are good for mid-table and many are at, or very near their ceilings. They will be replaced over time as we build towards our goal of being a top team in Europe, but it doesn't happen overnight.
Watkins has done the job asked of him this season. He's a tireless worker, and with a bit more luck he'd be on a few more goals. For a young striker playing his first Premier Legause season, he's done very well. El Ghazi and Traore certainly share responsibility though, because they're just as crap and unreliable as Trez, albeit in slightly different ways. I'm not sure where the Cash and Mings argument comes in, because their job isn't to score goals. That's an utterly bizarre argument to make.
I'd go so far as to say that when everyone is fit, we don't have ANYONE in our best 11 who is 'a bit crap'. Our challenge now is the bench and wider squad - being able to make changes during a game that not only don't weaken the 11 on the pitch, but actually improve it. The way we'll do that is by buying first-11 players and making those in the current 11 squad members. I'm sure Trez will ultimately be one of the early victims in that, but however frustrating he can be, his effort alone will always prevent me from getting on his back too much. Even if I think we can do better.
Post by: ktvillan on March 27, 2021, 07:32:14 PM
Traore and AEG show glimpses of brilliance, have a good game maybe every 4 or 5 they play in, and contribute a goal or an assist fairly frequently. Trez does not belong in that bracket, I can't remember one game this season where you could say he played well - he was ok against Liverpool when the whole team were on song - and he's got what, one assist all season?
While that little run of 3 goals late last season helped us stay up, he can't dine out on that for ever. I just see another Brett Holman, Birkir Bjarnasson, Hassan Kachloul type, I just don't see what he offers.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 07:37:33 PM
Back onto Trez, he backed up this graft last season with PL saving goals and granted his goal threat has waned somewhat this season.
Post by: ktvillan on March 27, 2021, 08:32:34 PM
Hard work doesn’t equate to more productivity, surely that’s the most blatant oxymoron ever illustrated?
Not an oxymoron at all, I'm sure I'm not alone in having witnessed
plenty of people putting in loads of misplaced effort and working loads of hours, yet producing nothing of any value, use or note. The builders I hired a couple of years ago for example, many Consultants I've worked with for another.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 08:39:32 PM
I can recommend a good builder btw.
Post by: ktvillan on March 27, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
We are talking about professional top flight footballers on 50k plus a week, if Trez puts in a shift by running up a flank of 100 yards for 90 minutes it means there has been productivity, even if it means supporting Matty Cash defensively.
I can recommend a good builder btw.
No it doesn't. The objective of him being on the pitch is to produce assists and goals. He doesn't do that ergo he's not productive, despite the effort of running up and down. I'd argue he doesn't even achieve the objective of protecting Cash, despite all his Mostly pointless running. And if he's on anything like 50k a week then we're utter mugs because a top flight professional footballer he aint, albeit masquerading as one. And I don't see what salary or status has to to with it anyway, it's irrelevant.
I can recommend a builder to you too.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 09:05:16 PM
He’s on the pitch to do what DS tells him. And he’s work rate defensively is spot on, and only 9 months ago showed how valuable his goals can be.
Post by: ktvillan on March 27, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
So while these players aren’t top level they have both played between them very important roles in our return to the PL and/or survival last season. Eventually they will move on as we get better replacements, but I will be grateful for their page in our history.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
The fact that we know Trez has goals in him in only 9 months ago in a poor team, is enough to warrant him given time, especially as his defensive work can’t be dismissed.
Post by: LukeJames on March 27, 2021, 10:06:13 PM
I'm genuinely baffled at why people "like" Trezeguet, mainly it seems because he runs around a lot. Work rate doesn't and never has equated to productivity or effectiveness, not in any industry.He's got money in the bank for a few (many) cus of last seasons important goals, we will be forever grateful.
Traore and AEG show glimpses of brilliance, have a good game maybe every 4 or 5 they play in
But I agree 100% with you, Traore and El-Ghazi are inconsistent at best. Trezeguet is consistent throughout, consistently shite. When he leaves us in the summer I guarantee that he wont play at a level like this again. He will be back to Turkey or Holland, Belgium, Slovakia etc.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 10:10:37 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 27, 2021, 10:16:37 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 10:22:02 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 27, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 27, 2021, 10:42:37 PM
Weird response. Doesn't matter what level Bjarnasson played at, he was blatantly not good enough but whenever anybody pointed it out they had the whole 'runs around' response thrown at them, same as Trezeguet.
I’m still struggling to ascertain how Bjarnasson a championship player has got anything to do with a PL player who helped maintain our status with crucial goals and this season has worked tirelessly to help us consolidate a mid table position.
Post by: LukeJames on March 27, 2021, 10:48:28 PM
Weird response. Doesn't matter what level Bjarnasson played at, he was blatantly not good enough but whenever anybody pointed it out they had the whole 'runs around' response thrown at them, same as Trezeguet.
I’m still struggling to ascertain how Bjarnasson a championship player has got anything to do with a PL player who helped maintain our status with crucial goals and this season has worked tirelessly to help us consolidate a mid table position.
Of course you are, I don't doubt that for a second.
Post by: ktvillan on March 28, 2021, 12:10:11 AM
Mo Farah is a long-distance runner, we need players who can run fast over short distances.
The fact that we know Trez has goals in him in only 9 months ago in a poor team, is enough to warrant him given time, especially as his defensive work can’t be dismissed.
We need players who can run fast over short distances? Do we? Reallly? Ok how about Linford Christie then? Or any other sprinter with zero ball skills?
Trez had 3 goals in him 9 months ago. It helped keep us up. Bravo. What's he done since in those 9 months to warrant his position. Clue in case you're struggling, which you clearly are: it's slightly more than -1 and it rhymes with cluck ball.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 28, 2021, 12:14:24 AM
Mo Farah is a long-distance runner, we need players who can run fast over short distances.
The fact that we know Trez has goals in him in only 9 months ago in a poor team, is enough to warrant him given time, especially as his defensive work can’t be dismissed.
We need players who can run fast over short distances? Do we? Reallly? Ok how about Linford Christie then? Or any other sprinter with zero ball skills?
Trez had 3 goals in him 9 months ago. It helped keep us up. Bravo. What's he done since in those 9 months to warrant his position. Clue in case you're struggling, which you clearly are: it's slightly more than -1 and it rhymes with cluck ball.
Agree to disagree, have a fun night.
Post by: ktvillan on March 28, 2021, 12:16:27 AM
Post by: Steve67 on March 28, 2021, 09:36:43 AM
Post by: nick harper on March 28, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 28, 2021, 04:03:54 PM
I’ve never seen a player with so little composure playing for us at this level. He runs around a lot but invariably loses possession and then fouls someone trying to get it back.
This.
I tend to not try and write players off after a year as you never know. Targett and Konsa are both obvious examples of players who got slated on here by some but have come good big style this year. Glen Whealan to a lesser extent.
After more than a year there are some players you just know are never going to cut it, in recent times there have been more than a few, but Gestede springs to mind.
I’ll never forget Trez scoring in the last minute of the cup semi final against Leicester, or ghosting in and smashing it home against Arsenal.
If players aren’t good enough I at least like them to run around and try however pointless that can be.
But Trez is plain and simple not good enough for a top half premier league team, never mind a team that has ambitions to go further. He struggles to beat a player, runs down blind alleys, invariably loses the ball and then invariably fouls a player trying to get it back. He also doesn’t deliver any crosses at all and if he does somehow get a chance has no composure at all. Every time he receives the ball, I sigh as I know at best it will come to nothing, at worst he’ll give away possession.
From the outside looking in, he seems like a good lad and a worker and seems likeable, but I would be happy not to see him start a game again for villa.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 28, 2021, 07:11:45 PM
I’ve never seen a player with so little composure playing for us at this level. He runs around a lot but invariably loses possession and then fouls someone trying to get it back.
The number of needless fouls both him and El Ghazi give away is infuriating. Both can occasionally chip in and get on the end of things, but give them the ball and expect them to create something and they will lose possession more often than not.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 28, 2021, 07:18:59 PM
they are on the same level, will have their moment’s.I’ve never seen a player with so little composure playing for us at this level. He runs around a lot but invariably loses possession and then fouls someone trying to get it back.
The number of needless fouls both him and El Ghazi give away is infuriating. Both can occasionally chip in and get on the end of things, but give them the ball and expect them to create something and they will lose possession more often than not.
But both lose possession constantly.
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 28, 2021, 07:40:56 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 28, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 28, 2021, 08:36:57 PM
Not many are defending our Trez, usual bully boys and scapegoat brigade out in force
This place is full of opinions, no need for the bully boys comment. He needs to be more consistent with his end product. This comment does not make me a bully.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 28, 2021, 08:41:56 PM
Don’t be so sensitive.
Post by: Steve67 on March 28, 2021, 08:48:23 PM
His end product kept us up last season and this year has contributed like all of the squad to consolidate mid table which ALL of us would have taken in August.
Don’t be so sensitive.
Actually, you're wrong, Trezeguet hasn't contributed at all yet this season has he?
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 28, 2021, 08:58:09 PM
Give me Trez in front of Matty Cash over Traore all day.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 29, 2021, 01:28:40 AM
He’s worked tirelessly for the front like Olle and also to ensure we have the second highest clean sheets and confirmed our mid table finish at worst.
Give me Trez in front of Matty Cash over Traore all day.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement given Traore's form over the past couple of months.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but given that we are hopefully looking to move forward next season, which of the teams above us would Trezeguet be a regular starter for or even make the match day 23?
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 29, 2021, 04:55:24 AM
He’s worked tirelessly for the front like Olle and also to ensure we have the second highest clean sheets and confirmed our mid table finish at worst.
Give me Trez in front of Matty Cash over Traore all day.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement given Traore's form over the past couple of months.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but given that we are hopefully looking to move forward next season, which of the teams above us would Trezeguet be a regular starter for or even make the match day 23?
Not once have I mentioned next season, purely speculating about the current season where we achieved a status in March that everyone of us would have accepted in August.
Next season is another debate, I want evolution and better standards in all but 4 positions.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 29, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
He’s worked tirelessly for the front like Olle and also to ensure we have the second highest clean sheets and confirmed our mid table finish at worst.
Give me Trez in front of Matty Cash over Traore all day.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement given Traore's form over the past couple of months.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but given that we are hopefully looking to move forward next season, which of the teams above us would Trezeguet be a regular starter for or even make the match day 23?
Not once have I mentioned next season, purely speculating about the current season where we achieved a status in March that everyone of us would have accepted in August.
Next season is another debate, I want evolution and better standards in all but 4 positions.
Fair enough. I think expectations did maybe change a bit after the start we made and we have seen the sort of level required if we are going to mix it in the top half of the division.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 29, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
Not many are defending our Trez, usual bully boys and scapegoat brigade out in force
This place is full of opinions, no need for the bully boys comment. He needs to be more consistent with his end product. This comment does not make me a bully.
Not sure about the scapegoating brigade comment. I’ve made positive comments about all the current crop of players on H&V over last couple of seasons and none of the comments on here re Trez over the last few days have been that bad tbh.
Saying Trez is not good enough. Which he clearly isn’t, is hardly comments in the bully boy category??
Post by: Drummond on March 29, 2021, 02:05:18 PM
Not many are defending our Trez, usual bully boys and scapegoat brigade out in force
This place is full of opinions, no need for the bully boys comment. He needs to be more consistent with his end product. This comment does not make me a bully.
Not sure about the scapegoating brigade comment. I’ve made positive comments about all the current crop of players on H&V over last couple of seasons and none of the comments on here re Trez over the last few days have been that bad tbh.
Saying Trez is not good enough. Which he clearly isn’t, is hardly comments in the bully boy category??
He's a troll. Just ignore him.
Post by: Smirker on April 04, 2021, 06:26:12 PM
Great goals and won us the game.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on April 04, 2021, 06:28:48 PM
2 very composed and confident finishes from him today.
He’s always struck me as being a confidence player and he was lacking it up until today. I hope we see the resurgence of Trez for the rest of the season now. Well played!
Post by: CT Villan on April 04, 2021, 06:30:51 PM
Post by: darren woolley on April 04, 2021, 06:33:54 PM
Post by: Ian. on April 04, 2021, 06:34:57 PM
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2021, 07:02:27 PM
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 07:05:14 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2021, 07:05:25 PM
El Ghazi or Trezeguet. Easy decision on the basis of that.
If we could only combine them both.... Very important goals today from Trez but over the basis of the last two seasons I don't think either AEG or Trez are up to it.
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2021, 07:05:43 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
You’re a PL player if a PL club is prepared to pay and play you.
He’s on the pitch to do what DS tells him. And he’s work rate defensively is spot on, and only 9 months ago showed how valuable his goals can be.
Should have had a hatrick today, totally shocking, sell.
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
I’ll eat some humble pie here. Trez has flattered to deceive all season, but he has popped up when it really mattered again today. Something that he has a knack of doing.
2 very composed and confident finishes from him today.
He’s always struck me as being a confidence player and he was lacking it up until today. I hope we see the resurgence of Trez for the rest of the season now. Well played!
First part of the season he was providing near Des Bremner-like graft in front of Cash. Which made us difficult to play against even if his contribution on the ball was more miss than hit.
Hopefully this does for him what the two goals v Palarse did last year and he has a strong finish to the campaign.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 04, 2021, 07:47:10 PM
A great impact from Trez. Would have been a great hat trick if that one he absolutely thunder blasted had crept in.
And the header! That was an easier chance to put on target than off. Could have had 4 then!
Love this guy Trez. You know what your'll get with him
May not score every chance but will always be endeavour.
Brilliant sub today.
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 07:50:08 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 04, 2021, 07:50:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 08:06:37 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 04, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 04, 2021, 09:02:48 PM
But I'm really pleased for him, he's got a great attitude and is very likable. Took his goals really well too, especially the beautifully controlled volley. Well done to him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 04, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
We know what we have with Trezeguet and feel he's a solid squad member for a few seasons.
Is a great asset who can trust on and off pitch and think he's a credit to Villa.
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 09:32:52 PM
Still not convinced he has what it takes
He doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 04, 2021, 09:34:53 PM
Did the business today though and he gets credit for that.Still not convinced he has what it takes
He doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:36:42 PM
Did the business today though and he gets credit for that.Still not convinced he has what it takes
He doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
All day Nunkin, the lad is top class.
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2021, 09:37:27 PM
agreedStill not convinced he has what it takesHe doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 09:41:40 PM
Did the business today though and he gets credit for that.Still not convinced he has what it takes
He doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
He deserves credit for today for sure.
If we get our money back on him in the summer I'll be chuffed.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:45:04 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on April 04, 2021, 09:50:02 PM
If not total class,certainly total chaos.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:56:40 PM
Trez.
Post by: Ian. on April 04, 2021, 10:01:39 PM
I have always loved his attitude since he’s been with us and have often stuck by him when other’s haven’t. I was so happy he ended last season and started this one so well. He’s definitely quite limited in this league, I do agree on that but that desire, his engine and willingness helped him prior to the Covid problems.Still not convinced he has what it takes
He doesnt, he's miles away from what we need.
Good to see that again today though, he was superb as was Ramsey and Davis. They really lifted us from what looked like another lacklustre display.
We really do need far better quality though if we want to finish in the top half of the table.
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2021, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2021, 10:16:02 PM
2 great finishes today.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
By far our most effective goal scorer after Ollie and Jack, big game player.
Raise a glass to you tonight big boy.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 04, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 10:29:58 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on April 05, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
When he came back, i thought it was noticeable that he had lost weight and that the combination of Covid and the injury had impacted his energy levels from the early season.
I also think he lost a lot of confidence after missing a few sitters - so to see him pop up and score when he needed to was a particularly sweet moment for him.
In the early games of the season, he was a really hard grafter. If he now has the confidence to get back to that, whilst coming up with the odd goal, then that’s all we can ask of him.
Is he what we need if we want to push further up the league? No, I don’t think so. Does he have a big part to play in this squad? Yes.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
Maybe it's the Brummie in me, but I do like that no matter how well he's just done or things have gone, he always looks like he's still troubled by when he forgot to put his usual lottery numbers on a few weeks back.
And he runs a bit like a muppet. The Jim Henson kind. All arms and legs kinda all over the place. A bit like his compatriot, Salah. Runs like he shouldn't really be any good at football. I know what I mean.
Keep up the good work, fkn luvs ya.
Post by: frank black on April 05, 2021, 09:29:58 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 05, 2021, 09:33:57 AM
I’d sell one to the highest bidder - or whichever has the greatest FFP impact - and spend 40-50m on an upgrade (a 1 in 3 player).
Both are good players, and ironically, I would not be that surprised if they became £40m themselves; I just don’t think they’d get the game-time at villa to generate that sort of momentum and form.
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 09:50:10 AM
9 times out of 10 an absolute headless chicken. Won the game with 2 good finishes today though.He didn't have the time to think about the ones he scored; a good thing.
Post by: Villan82 on April 05, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
AEG has scored more premier league goals for us than Stewart Downing, Milan Baros, Nobby Solano and Thomas Hitzlsperger
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 11:13:41 AM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
Trez and AEG get too much stick. Both have scored really important goals for us and I can see both improving. They aren't regular starters but they are good squad players. You have to factor in a few things in looking at them: last year was a big step up for both (not the only ones in our squad) and this year Trez has had injuries while AEG was absolutely on fire prior to our Covid outbreak. That break may have had more of an impact on the squad than we know.
AEG has scored more premier league goals for us than Stewart Downing, Milan Baros, Nobby Solano and Thomas Hitzlsperger
You've cherry picked your players there to make your point, but he's played more games than most of them, and as a forward. Downing and Solano were wingers for the most part in a 4-4-2, and Baros was crap and we only really got two half seasons out of him. Hitz was only ever good for a couple of 30 yard screamers a season, and not much else.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 05, 2021, 12:22:08 PM
Trez took his goals brilliantly yesterday, but my issue is this, with Grealish out, Smith just alternates between El Ghazi and Trez, with generally the player playing less shite getting a game, a bit of a race to the bottom. So now against Liverpool it will in all likely hood be Trez who starts. Whatever confidence he gets from yesterday is great, buts it not going to turn him into a top left winger who can beat a man and cross a ball against good opposition.
Presuming Jack will still be out next week, I would still rather use Trez as an impact sub, who can press when the opposition are tiring. And I would love Smith to try something different with Ollie out wide and Davis up top.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 05, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:34:16 PM
However, I feel that after the break his quality had improved, and from the start of this season I felt he'd really stepped up a level, the hard work was always there but he'd cut out the basic errors and was much more efficient with the ball. He was in the team on merit, and I think he gave the team good balance. I'd have said he was up with Targett in the first half of the season in terms of massive, unexpected improvement.
He'd looked a bit like the ropey player from last season after coming back, but given he was one of the ones infected by covid that's no surprise. He's a bit ungainly which is why people get on him a bit I feel, but he's effective and that's half the battle, we couldn't get a shot in yesterday for 75 mins yesterday, ten minutes after he came on he'd had 4 and we were 3-1 up.
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:36:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.
In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
Post by: Ian. on April 05, 2021, 12:48:52 PM
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:50:42 PM
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.
In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.
Post by: andyh on April 05, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
But fair play to him for his goals yesterday. Great technique for both of them.
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:59:04 PM
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.
In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.
He doesn't count as he's a serial, name changing, pillock of a troll. Your notes in bold above appeared to cast the accusation wider.
And you did look stupid in the match thread, your post read to me like you're slightly annoyed at having been proven spectacularly wrong on that occasion.
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 01:32:54 PM
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.
In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.
He doesn't count as he's a serial, name changing, pillock of a troll. Your notes in bold above appeared to cast the accusation wider.
And you did look stupid in the match thread, your post read to me like you're slightly annoyed at having been proven spectacularly wrong on that occasion.
So after rather haughtily (and wrongly) accusing me of saying people were calling others stupid, you then go and actually tell me I looked stupid. Marvellous stuff.
Consider this - by saying I looked stupid and was proved "spectacularly wrong", aren't you aligning yourself with said gloating troll - as if Trez is suddenly the rebirth of Thierry Henry, and most of us were too dumb to realise it?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 05, 2021, 01:38:03 PM
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Can you please stop arguing. It's a bank holiday and the sun is shining. Thank you.
It's a bit nippy though.
Post by: dave shelley on April 05, 2021, 02:06:08 PM
Can you please stop arguing. It's a bank holiday and the sun is shining. Thank you.
It ain't shining here, we've had a snow flurry in the last hour and it's bloody cold!
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
I don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.
Traore definitely has more good than bad games. And even when he isn't at his best, he still always looks capable of producing something special. As he did yesterday for our second goal having spent many of the preceding minutes rolling around.
I think you're being a little harsh on AEG and Trez, too.
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
As an aside, if anyone from the club's merchandising department is reading this, I'd like to buy some of those Burkina Faso wristbands, please.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 02:28:07 PM
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.
In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.
He doesn't count as he's a serial, name changing, pillock of a troll. Your notes in bold above appeared to cast the accusation wider.
And you did look stupid in the match thread, your post read to me like you're slightly annoyed at having been proven spectacularly wrong on that occasion.
So after rather haughtily (and wrongly) accusing me of saying people were calling others stupid, you then go and actually tell me I looked stupid. Marvellous stuff.
Consider this - by saying I looked stupid and was proved "spectacularly wrong", aren't you aligning yourself with said gloating troll - as if Trez is suddenly the rebirth of Thierry Henry, and most of us were too dumb to realise it?
So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.
To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.
But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.
Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 02:38:51 PM
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
Eh? Name a winger in the Premier League who cost that.
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.
To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.
But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.
Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.
For the record I don't think my comments on Trez need any justification, I stand by them 100%. His record is what it is.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 05, 2021, 02:54:02 PM
Jack Harrison and Raphina at Leeds are very good wingers, they probably cost nowhere near £100mil.I don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.
Traore definitely has more good than bad games. And even when he isn't at his best, he still always looks capable of producing something special. As he did yesterday for our second goal having spent many of the preceding minutes rolling around.
I think you're being a little harsh on AEG and Trez, too.
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
As an aside, if anyone from the club's merchandising department is reading this, I'd like to buy some of those Burkina Faso wristbands, please.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 05, 2021, 02:56:23 PM
Hopefully he can kick on and improve.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 02:57:38 PM
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
Eh? Name a winger in the Premier League who cost that.
Who would cost that... Sterling and Grealish. Can't think of too many more. Consistent wingers are very rare, as I said. Maybe Barnes? He might not be £100 million but would certainly cost more than we paid for Trezeguet, AEG and Traore, combined.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 05, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.
To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.
But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.
Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.
For the record I don't think my comments on Trez need any justification, I stand by them 100%. His record is what it is.
If it helps I’ve got over feeling stupid 😊
Post by: Ian. on April 05, 2021, 03:16:11 PM
Jack Harrison and Raphina at Leeds are very good wingers, they probably cost nowhere near £100mil.I don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.
Traore definitely has more good than bad games. And even when he isn't at his best, he still always looks capable of producing something special. As he did yesterday for our second goal having spent many of the preceding minutes rolling around.
I think you're being a little harsh on AEG and Trez, too.
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
As an aside, if anyone from the club's merchandising department is reading this, I'd like to buy some of those Burkina Faso wristbands, please.
And we’re having a better season than Leeds.
It wouldn’t surprise me but I bet most teams at our level say the same things about their wingers and other players in the squad. It’s the nature of a team at our level. Bowen has been left out a fair few times lately by West Ham and they are pushing top four.
Wolves, have played Traore more often this season than last and he’s been far less effective this year.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 03:26:53 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 05, 2021, 03:30:51 PM
So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.
To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.
But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.
Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.
For the record I don't think my comments on Trez need any justification, I stand by them 100%. His record is what it is.
If it helps I’ve got over feeling stupid 😊
I wish I could.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 03:38:41 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 03:43:36 PM
Add to that the fact that they have to do a lot more defensive work than some and I don't think they've done badly at all. I think they suffer from 2 big problems, firstly they're being compared to Grealish, which isn't going to work out well for anyone and secondly they're in front of a midfield that just doesn't look right. We had a handful of games where Luiz behind McGinn and Barkley looked top 4 standard and we were batting teams aside for fun but then Barkley got injured and has never really come back from it and the balance isn't there any more.
Post by: Ian. on April 05, 2021, 03:46:37 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
Except Jack.
How’s there second choice wingers fairing?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 03:46:50 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
If he played for us, you'd be moaning.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
If he played for us, you'd be moaning.
I imagine fans of every club complain about the inconsistency of their wingers. Because by the very nature of the position wingers are not fully involved as they occupy on side of the pitch or the other. They are provided the least amount of space on the pitch to work with, and the better they are the more likely they are to double teamed. I would put my money on some entitled wankers even complaining about Messi over the years.
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2021, 04:16:49 PM
The transformation on 78 minutes from a player who looked done in a villa shirt, to suddenly looking quality was amazing and a perfect example of what a goal can do. (It boosted the whole team to be fair). When he's confident he's a good player. Same with AEG (who's gone the other way). Granted this is frustrating but this is also what you get in the 8 mill range for a player. generally. Inconsistency. There are exceptions of course but if you want more guaranteed week in/out performances, you pay a lot more.
I like Trezeguet, he tries, he cares, and you can see when his mind isn't right and nothing quite goes right for him. It's frustrating.
I think we're at a stage where one of he or El Goalzi will move on and we'll upgrade. Who goes, I don't know. Flip a coin. For AEG's more prodigious talent, Trezeguet has a bit more application and of the three wingers is the most defensively able when going back.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 04:22:22 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
If he played for us, you'd be moaning.
I imagine fans of every club complain about the inconsistency of their wingers. Because by the very nature of the position wingers are not fully involved as they occupy on side of the pitch or the other. They are provided the least amount of space on the pitch to work with, and the better they are the more likely they are to double teamed. I would put my money on some entitled wankers even complaining about Messi over the years.
Agreed. We had plenty of people moaning about Ashley Young and he was basically fantastic.
Still, I'm not saying we can't upgrade the wingers we have, just that to find (at least) one that is more consistent would be very expensive or a gamble.
Traore is good enough I reckon, at least for the squad. If we were able to sign a megastar I would reluctantly allow one of AEG or Trezagoal to leave, but would wish them all the best for their efforts here.
If we qualify for Europe, you could make a case for signing someone amazing and still keeping all three.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
If he played for us, you'd be moaning.
Why? He's miles better than any of our wide players who aren't Jack. You haven't half been talking out of your arse for a couple of days now, what's up?
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
And, he wouldn't cost £100m.
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 04:46:10 PM
Agreed. We had plenty of people moaning about Ashley Young and he was basically fantastic.
Still, I'm not saying we can't upgrade the wingers we have, just that to find (at least) one that is more consistent would be very expensive or a gamble.
Traore is good enough I reckon, at least for the squad. If we were able to sign a megastar I would reluctantly allow one of AEG or Trezagoal to leave, but would wish them all the best for their efforts here.
If we qualify for Europe, you could make a case for signing someone amazing and still keeping all three.
Even though I like him I think I'd try to move AEG on in the summer.
From Trez you get work rate and non-stop pressing, it can look headless at times but it does have an impact, his work rate and energy played a big part in our early season form and I think it's a shame that so many people seem to be over-looking that.
Traore you keep because he's capable of moments of genius that no one else in the squad would try (even Jack). The problem is that anyone who tries the sort of stuff he does will lose the ball a lot and frustrate the shit out of you but 5 goals and 4 assists in 27 appearances is a decent return and he will get better.
AEG has the best shot of the 3 but oddly he gets a bit shot shy when his form dips.
Oh and I don't think there's much between Traore and Raphinha.
Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
There were rumours in Jan that some of the big sides in Turkey were sniffing around Trez and if he's of a mind to move, it may be for the best.
AEG has gone up a gear this year - even with his recent dip in form. But he'll have been at the club three years this summer and might feel the time is right for another challenge. He could easily play for one of the big sides in a less demanding league; back in Holland or Portugal say, and get Champions League football to boot.
Bert is the least likely to leave after just one season.
I'd be happy to see them all remain, but with FFP, I'd expect at least one to be off.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 05:07:17 PM
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.
Trez has 2 goals and 1 assist
El Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.
Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.
If he played for us, you'd be moaning.
Why? He's miles better than any of our wide players who aren't Jack. You haven't half been talking out of your arse for a couple of days now, what's up?
I was teasing, there. Hoped you would pick up on it. I'm surprised you only think it's a couple of days, though!
Haven't seen much of Rafinha but if he's really "miles better" than Traore he must be some player.
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
As his biggest critic I thought he played well. My only gripe is usually he throws himself down at the slightest touch, today he was too honest in staying on his feet.
Which sums up exactly why players go down screaming, until refs start giving freekicks/penalties for stuff like that players will dive.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 10, 2021, 06:17:31 PM
AEG has gone up a gear this year - even with his recent dip in form. But he'll have been at the club three years this summer and might feel the time is right for another challenge. He could easily play for one of the big sides in a less demanding league; back in Holland or Portugal say, and get Champions League football to boot.
He wouldn't get in the Porto or Benfica side, Sporting are far too careful with the money, too lightweight for Braga, Vitória de Guimarães would be my bet but only if we loaned him out for the rest of his contract and pay half his salary. I reckon a midtable Spanish or top 6 Turkish side is my bet.
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 07:42:03 PM
As his biggest critic I thought he played well. My only gripe is usually he throws himself down at the slightest touch, today he was too honest in staying on his feet.
Surprised he didn't go down that time, was definitely go fouled by TAA. Thought Trez had a good second half today. Drew some important free kicks and I think two yellow cards, hit the post and unlucky for the penalty. Terrible first half, mind.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
Looked distraught when came off injured.
So unlucky hitting post and was immense with his endeavour all match if lacking some touches first half
Could have a penalty for the foul on him as he was impeded and lead to now looking bad injury.
I hope his season isn't over. Felt for him there as say looked upset. Sad to see
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 11:56:47 AM
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Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
ACL?I'd be surprised, given that he walked off.
Post by: jwarry on April 11, 2021, 03:49:51 PM
ACL?I'd be surprised, given that he walked off.
No mate, when I did mine it fucking killed them you sit down and think what happened there and get up and walk, and then if you twist slightly you think fuck what is that. So it’s very possible to walk afterwards
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
ACL?I'd be surprised, given that he walked off.
No mate, when I did mine it fucking killed them you sit down and think what happened there and get up and walk, and then if you twist slightly you think fuck what is that. So it’s very possible to walk afterwards
Yep, it really depends on exactly what damage you've done. When I did my knee I tore my ACL, broke my tibia and fibula and badly damaged the meniscus but because I also dislocated the joint I had no idea how bad it was. The physio helped put the joint back in and I got changed and got home fine but with a ridiculous amount of swelling. My plan was to alternate heat and ice packs and then go to A&E the next day but as the swelling started to go down it got too painful and I had to go that evening. They ended up keeping me in for 2 days and then I had 3 ops in 6 months to get everything working properly.
All too much info but whilst it hurt I did manage to walk around on that lot to get in and out of cars, etc.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2021, 04:55:56 PM
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
What a shame for him, we really need to move away from 4-3-3 now if we only have 2 fit wingers. Although I fear Smith would rather use Elmo as a einger than have too change formation.
Or some first team time for Jaden Philogene-Bidace? Good chance to see how close he is to being ready.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 05:43:31 PM
Out for the season and probably significantly beyond. We're so "spawny".have the club confirmed anything yet?
they'll probably play it 'cloak and dagger' style like Grealish :)
Post by: exigo on April 11, 2021, 05:48:13 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 05:50:41 PM
10-12 months out with his ACL is doing the rounds in Egyptian media.the egyptian fans will be going mental on facebook over that
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 11, 2021, 06:21:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 06:24:29 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 06:43:25 PM
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 06:45:18 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
Yet again we've had one of our players put out long term with a poor tackle but the ref hasn't given it as a foul, I'm getting sick of it, there was absolutely no way A-A could win legally win the ball from where he was so I can't understand how the ref and VAR both thought he'd done nothing wrong. This is why, for me, we need to be able to hear the conversation they have for things like this, once they know they have to justify the decision live they might start actually giving a shit how it looks when they play favourites.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2021, 11:06:36 PM
ACL?I'd be surprised, given that he walked off.
I can remember Okore walking off and thinking he'd be out for a week or two...and that was it for the season.
A shame for Trez. Worst of both worlds really as I think if he'd gone down we'd have got a penalty there but he tried to stay up and the move just fizzled out.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2021, 11:10:08 PM
I think that sounds likely from his own social media posts where he came across as knowing it's a serious one.
Yet again we've had one of our players put out long term with a poor tackle but the ref hasn't given it as a foul, I'm getting sick of it, there was absolutely no way A-A could win legally win the ball from where he was so I can't understand how the ref and VAR both thought he'd done nothing wrong. This is why, for me, we need to be able to hear the conversation they have for things like this, once they know they have to justify the decision live they might start actually giving a shit how it looks when they play favourites.
I just think the problem is he tried to stay up and get the cross in.
We saw it with the Foden one the other week. Players that get tugged or fouled but try to get the shot away and stay up are more punished as those are rarely called for fouls.
It was certainly more of a pen to me than the Kane one the other week but Kane knew exactly how to draw the ref's attention he got slight contact so I'm afraid in the modern game that's how you get penalties most of the time rather than trying to do the right thing.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 11:34:10 PM
I think that sounds likely from his own social media posts where he came across as knowing it's a serious one.
Yet again we've had one of our players put out long term with a poor tackle but the ref hasn't given it as a foul, I'm getting sick of it, there was absolutely no way A-A could win legally win the ball from where he was so I can't understand how the ref and VAR both thought he'd done nothing wrong. This is why, for me, we need to be able to hear the conversation they have for things like this, once they know they have to justify the decision live they might start actually giving a shit how it looks when they play favourites.
I just think the problem is he tried to stay up and get the cross in.
We saw it with the Foden one the other week. Players that get tugged or fouled but try to get the shot away and stay up are more punished as those are rarely called for fouls.
It was certainly more of a pen to me than the Kane one the other week but Kane knew exactly how to draw the ref's attention he got slight contact so I'm afraid in the modern game that's how you get penalties most of the time rather than trying to do the right thing.
Oh I agree completely, just pissed off that him and Wesley have both been victims of shit tackles and shit officials as part of their injuries. The Mee one was far worse of course, that twat should've been given a massive ban for what was clearly an out of control and overly aggressive challenge where he intended to 'leave one' on Wesley.
Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2021, 08:57:28 AM
Okay - thanks for this.ACL?I'd be surprised, given that he walked off.
No mate, when I did mine it fucking killed them you sit down and think what happened there and get up and walk, and then if you twist slightly you think fuck what is that. So it’s very possible to walk afterwards
Yep, it really depends on exactly what damage you've done. When I did my knee I tore my ACL, broke my tibia and fibula and badly damaged the meniscus but because I also dislocated the joint I had no idea how bad it was. The physio helped put the joint back in and I got changed and got home fine but with a ridiculous amount of swelling. My plan was to alternate heat and ice packs and then go to A&E the next day but as the swelling started to go down it got too painful and I had to go that evening. They ended up keeping me in for 2 days and then I had 3 ops in 6 months to get everything working properly.
All too much info but whilst it hurt I did manage to walk around on that lot to get in and out of cars, etc.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 09:25:27 AM
I like Trez, I know he lacks a bit of quality but he works his socks off.Bit of an Egyptian Paul Birch.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 12, 2021, 09:27:28 AM
This 100% increases transfers in this summer in the wide areas. Min 2 in now
Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2021, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 12, 2021, 06:35:15 PM
It's a shame.
Post by: Ian. on April 12, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 08:44:43 PM
Gutted, thought he was starting to look like the player we had earlier in the season. He’s a really likeable player too. Poor lad.
He's had awful luck this season, injured late nov/early dec, as he's coming back he picks up another knock, comes back again and catches covid as part of the outbreak then works his way back to where he was before this, gutted for him.
Post by: tony scott on April 12, 2021, 11:31:22 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 13, 2021, 12:24:54 AM
Post by: darren woolley on April 13, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2021, 11:54:32 AM
Post by: Villan82 on April 13, 2021, 06:04:46 PM
Speedy recovery.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2021, 07:26:49 PM
Post by: Clive W on April 13, 2021, 07:33:43 PM
If only all players showed your commitment and enthusiasm
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 13, 2021, 09:22:21 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2021, 09:29:18 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 13, 2021, 09:37:16 PM
Get well soon Trez.
Post by: Villan82 on April 14, 2021, 08:53:18 AM
Typical villa. Trez looked the part against Fulham, was instrumental in keeping us up last few games of last season and now this.
Speedy recovery.
It just reminded me of Wesley, Heaton, Luc Nilis and others down the years.We have had some bad luck with injuries.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2021, 09:08:15 AM
Post by: Clive W on April 14, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
Shaw, Little and LeonardTypical villa. Trez looked the part against Fulham, was instrumental in keeping us up last few games of last season and now this.
Speedy recovery.
It just reminded me of Wesley, Heaton, Luc Nilis and others down the years.We have had some bad luck with injuries.
Post by: in exile on April 14, 2021, 01:07:33 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 14, 2021, 02:28:18 PM
Anyone got the footage of the foul / penalty incident that caused it as i cannot remember it in real time
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Post by: frank black on April 28, 2021, 06:55:40 PM
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2021, 06:58:54 PM
15/16: Jordan Amavi, knee injury Nov 15 - out for the season
16/17: Jonathan Kodjia, ankle injury April 17 - back Sep 17
17/18 Kodjia again: Same ankle injury out Nov 17 - March 18. Never the same player.
Jack, kidney injury Aug 17 - Oct 17
18/19: Chester - Knee injury most of that season, rested from Jan onwards
Jack - out from early Dec that season until March 19.
19/20: McGinn - Ankle fracture, out Dec 19 to June 20.
Wesley, Heaton - ACL injuries in the same game Jan 20
Out for the season +
20/21: Jack - shin injury Feb 21 - to who knows when
Trez: ACL -out for potentially a year
I've prob missed a few there n'all with Davis' injuries and Jedinak missing a fair chunk of time. But they weren't always key first team regulars. Prior to 15/16 we had Benteke out for long spells at various stages and Kozak copped a career-changing one in 13/14, just when he was starting to look promising. Okore early in that season as well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 28, 2021, 08:45:04 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2021, 11:05:49 AM
At least Kozak should be back soon.Made me laugh and I needed it, thank you.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 03, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
I see Transfer markt website suggests he's back in October -6 months and recovering Knee surgery. I don't think we'll see him then though.
As I've also seen Sky Sports say he's min expected 9 months out and Dean Smith said
"He's had a significant knee injury which is normally nine months. We never like to put a time frame on injuries but that's the average time to come back. Some come back earlier, some come back later."
So if it's ACL reconstruction and rehabilitation that generally takes about 9 months but it can take 12 months or more before a return . Like we saw with Wes 16 months out.
I wish Trez all the positive physical and mental encouragement and support to return fit and a successful operation and rehab.
Gutted for him. Was just coming into form settling again
All the best to a player who tries his heart out. I know he'll work hard to come back stronger than ever. Even if it could be a long long time before we see him play again
Post by: OCD on August 10, 2021, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 10, 2021, 05:44:20 PM
Post by: OCD on August 10, 2021, 05:49:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 05:56:23 PM
Posted a picture of himself on a Watt Bike with the message "Back soon".
Wish I could be like David Watts.
Post by: Didier Five on December 08, 2021, 09:05:24 AM
Posted a picture of himself on a Watt Bike with the message "Back soon".
Wish I could be like David Watts.
Good to see that Trez got 60 minutes in against the Blues the other night, he might not be one of our better players but always puts in 100%.
Post by: Dick Edwards on December 08, 2021, 10:52:17 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 08, 2021, 10:55:01 AM
Like Marvellous, Trez may prove to be a key member under the new regime.
I think he will suit Gerrard's planned style of play more than Traore or El Ghazi will. He is less talented than either of them but can hold formation and works very hard indeed.
Post by: Drummond on December 08, 2021, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2021, 12:33:02 AM
Out on the wing coming on late in games if we're changing formation to try and score an equaliser/winner and supporting Cashy down the flank late on if we're getting overloaded, defending a lead are what I'd have him earmarked for. Don't think he's good enough to start, nor does Gerrard's winger-less first-choice formation suit him.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 11, 2021, 05:58:56 AM
Post by: ROBBO on December 11, 2021, 06:18:44 AM
Like Marvellous, Trez may prove to be a key member under the new regime.
I think he will suit Gerrard's planned style of play more than Traore or El Ghazi will. He is less talented than either of them but can hold formation and works very hard indeed.
Certainly better than Traore, because he is invisable.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 11, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
Don't think he'd have the tactical nous to be a central player in midfield!
Out on the wing coming on late in games if we're changing formation to try and score an equaliser/winner and supporting Cashy down the flank late on if we're getting overloaded, defending a lead are what I'd have him earmarked for. Don't think he's good enough to start, nor does Gerrard's winger-less first-choice formation suit him.
Yep when available and fit I think Gerrard will use him for the role Young had before he became a starter again, last 10-15 minutes of games we're winning to help close out the three points.
Post by: KevinGage on December 11, 2021, 12:13:50 PM
Like Marvellous, Trez may prove to be a key member under the new regime.
I think he will suit Gerrard's planned style of play more than Traore or El Ghazi will. He is less talented than either of them but can hold formation and works very hard indeed.
Yeah, was thinking the same.
If this injury hasn't bollocksed him completely.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 04:00:05 PM
Go to the AFCON and shop yourself out of here. Bellend
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2022, 04:03:54 PM
I doubt he’ll be able to fool Gerrard that he is a footballer for very long.
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2022, 04:17:46 PM
Post by: nick harper on January 02, 2022, 04:18:02 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2022, 04:19:22 PM
Embarrassing when I saw the replay.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 02, 2022, 04:20:16 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2022, 04:21:24 PM
Mind boggling shite managerial decision.
Post by: sid1964 on January 02, 2022, 04:23:22 PM
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2022, 04:24:00 PM
In a couple of months- he will score a winning goal for our club and then most on here will be wanting him to sign a new contract
I strongly suspect neither of those things will happen.
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on January 02, 2022, 04:28:03 PM
I honestly thought it would be a strong pen shout as why on earth would you just collapse when we had men in the box waiting for the cross?I think genuinely that he slipped initially, and lost the ball, and that’s when he decided to do his play acting. He’ll never be a first team regular.
Embarrassing when I saw the replay.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 04:33:11 PM
I honestly thought it would be a strong pen shout as why on earth would you just collapse when we had men in the box waiting for the cross?I think genuinely that he slipped initially, and lost the ball, and that’s when he decided to do his play acting. He’ll never be a first team regular.
Embarrassing when I saw the replay.
Possibly but absolutely no excuse for doing that. With VAR and all the cameras i dont unseratand how someome can be so thick thinking he would con the ref. If they gave trez a red card for that i would havw applauded the ref. So excuse for shit like that
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2022, 04:45:26 PM
https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1477678350944645122?s=21
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 04:46:55 PM
What in fucks name is this? Trez - well done for working your way back after your injury but if this is what you are doing to do, then you can fuck right off again.
https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1477678350944645122?s=21
👆 this
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2022, 04:48:05 PM
What in fucks name is this? Trez - well done for working your way back after your injury but if this is what you are doing to do, then you can fuck right off again.
https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1477678350944645122?s=21
Disgraceful. Made even worse by the fact that he'd actually done the Brentford player with a nice bit of skill, so it just wanted a ball into the box. Quite why he was brought on anyway, fuck only knows.
Post by: Rico on January 02, 2022, 04:59:03 PM
In the voice of Victor Meldrew, "Dear God."
So so embarrassing. Shameful, cheating knobhead!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 02, 2022, 05:18:38 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 05:29:05 PM
Hope thw club fines him 2 weeks wages. Bellend
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2022, 05:32:06 PM
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2022, 05:32:35 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 02, 2022, 05:34:32 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 02, 2022, 06:33:40 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 02, 2022, 06:59:31 PM
What’s nuts about it is it looked like he’d done really well, outpaced the defender then turned him and could have got a cross in! Instead by diving, as well as it being awful sportsmanship, he’s given the ball away cheaply with 2 or 3 minutes left!
Spot on. He really should have received a yellow card for simulation. It was embarrassing and infuriating as he could have cross or shot.
Post by: steamer on January 02, 2022, 07:04:14 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 02, 2022, 07:21:50 PM
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2022, 07:24:49 PM
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2022, 07:25:09 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2022, 07:32:28 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 07:34:14 PM
Given the prevalence of diving at every club at every level in every country, I suspect that it's a bit naive to think that players aren't told to do it.It was awful and he should have been booked - but on the flip side, if Konsa goes down in the first half - thats probably a penalty. It breads the cheating menality IMO
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2022, 07:38:25 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 02, 2022, 07:52:57 PM
I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Post by: Bad English on January 02, 2022, 07:59:04 PM
if Konsa goes down in the first half - thats probably a penalty. It breads the cheating menality IMOWe would probably have sliced it.
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
Throwing yourself in the floor, clutching your face like you’ve been stabbed in it, when there has clearly been no contact, is a different level of cunty.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2022, 08:13:39 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 08:47:28 PM
I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
I googled it and there’s a 9/10 dive to win a penalty in a 2-2 draw (Guzman slides in). The game was at Anfield though, not that it makes any difference to the wider point.
Post by: mas54321 on January 02, 2022, 10:39:06 PM
It was a dive (against Petrov), from which Gerrard scored the winning goal (direct free kick)I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 02, 2022, 11:06:51 PM
It was a dive (against Petrov), from which Gerrard scored the winning goal (direct free kick)I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
My recollection of this incident (if we're talking about the same one) is that the Villa player didn't make contact because Gerrard stopped, so it was sort of an attempted foul rather than an actual foul. The uproar was that he appealed to the ref who couldn't wait to give it. Then stuck it in the top corner of course.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2022, 11:53:25 PM
That's the one. That exact incident was my reason hated him after that and i was opposed to him getting the Villa job. I've mellowed a bit now after his good start and I'm right behind him now obviously. But he could impart just a little bit of that type of gamesmanship on our players because Konsa should definitely have hit the deck when his shirt was being pulled which would have forced the incompetent clowns at Stockley Park to do something. Nothing on the lines of Trezeguet's antics today though. An absolute embarrament to himself and the club.It was a dive (against Petrov), from which Gerrard scored the winning goal (direct free kick)I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
My recollection of this incident (if we're talking about the same one) is that the Villa player didn't make contact because Gerrard stopped, so it was sort of an attempted foul rather than an actual foul. The uproar was that he appealed to the ref who couldn't wait to give it. Then stuck it in the top corner of course.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 12:50:02 AM
An actor who dives and who is happy to pretend he's like a player who was twice as good as he'll ever be. As they'd say in Dublin, "Scarlet for ya, Trez..."
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2022, 06:26:44 AM
Why is he not known by his actual name instead of a nickname for a former French international player? He's nothing like David Trezeguet and never will be.
An actor who dives and who is happy to pretend he's like a player who was twice as good as he'll ever be. As they'd say in Dublin, "Scarlet for ya, Trez..."
Always wondered that, after yesterday everyone should just call him hassan. An embarrassment to the trezeguet name
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 03, 2022, 10:05:40 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 03, 2022, 10:37:41 AM
Post by: nigel on January 03, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
It was a dive (against Petrov), from which Gerrard scored the winning goal (direct free kick)I'm not sure Gerrard will stand for his pathetic behaviour.
Made a frustrating second half even more so as he'd got past his man.
I remember gerrard doing something similar at Villa Park!
Can to share where this is? As i dont recall gerrard ever doing something that pathetic against us
My recollection of this incident (if we're talking about the same one) is that the Villa player didn't make contact because Gerrard stopped, so it was sort of an attempted foul rather than an actual foul. The uproar was that he appealed to the ref who couldn't wait to give it. Then stuck it in the top corner of course.
Odd, that my recollection is the opposite.
SG looked for the foul, but Petrov had stopped. SG was committed to the fall. I bet he couldn’t believe his luck that the ref gave it.
It was probably nothing like any of us remember 😂
Post by: Border villan on January 03, 2022, 11:43:08 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 03, 2022, 12:00:34 PM
Watched the replay of Trez going down several times and I still can’t spot the sniper on the grassy knoll.
Oh come on, he definitely flicked his nose with his little finger
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 03, 2022, 12:03:43 PM
Watched the replay of Trez going down several times and I still can’t spot the sniper on the grassy knoll.
Oh come on, he definitely flicked his nose with his little finger
Schmeichel could have been the sniper but he is still recovering from his broken hand.
Post by: Smirker on January 03, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
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Post by: andyh on January 03, 2022, 03:58:06 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 03:59:20 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on January 03, 2022, 04:31:22 PM
Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 04:35:02 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 03, 2022, 05:17:12 PM
Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
Post by: Chris Harte on January 03, 2022, 08:32:02 PM
Was Francis Lee a cheat? I only recall him having that scrap at Derby's Baseball Ground in the mud.Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 03, 2022, 08:39:12 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2022, 10:30:27 PM
Was Francis Lee a cheat? I only recall him having that scrap at Derby's Baseball Ground in the mud.Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
He wasn't known as the Chinese striker Lee One Pen for nothing.
Post by: dave shelley on January 03, 2022, 10:40:22 PM
Was Francis Lee a cheat? I only recall him having that scrap at Derby's Baseball Ground in the mud.Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
Francis Lee was probably the biggest cheat to ever put on a pair of football boots and by God he had some competition.
Post by: Chris Harte on January 04, 2022, 06:58:48 PM
I'm too young to know about that. Oh well. :)Was Francis Lee a cheat? I only recall him having that scrap at Derby's Baseball Ground in the mud.Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
Francis Lee was probably the biggest cheat to ever put on a pair of football boots and by God he had some competition.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 05, 2022, 12:38:54 AM
Was Francis Lee a cheat? I only recall him having that scrap at Derby's Baseball Ground in the mud.Many teams will be weakened by the African nations cup with key players lost, on the other hand villa lose Trezeguet and Traore.A good point.
Good to see people generally disapproving of Mahmoud's actions yesterday. Overt attempts at cheating are a stain on the game. IIRC it first started to manifest itself in the late-80s as an import from the continent. Now everyone seems to be at it.
Franny Lee says Hi.
Francis Lee was probably the biggest cheat to ever put on a pair of football boots and by God he had some competition.
He went on to run a very successful bog roll business.
One of my early heroes, Willie Anderson, was widely reputed by opposition fans to be a master of the swan dive.
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 06, 2022, 01:47:46 AM
It's been said on here before; if the refs won't do their jobs properly, no wonder the players dive!!
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 11:38:02 AM
Going back to Trez: the dive at the w/end was obvious and embarrassing, but it's worth remembering that he took a two-handed push in the back at Anfield last season, did his best to stay on his feet which the ref took as a cue to not award a blatant penalty.
It's been said on here before; if the refs won't do their jobs properly, no wonder the players dive!!
Yep, exactly, it's shameful when one of our own makes a tit of himself but this all comes back to refs not being willing to give a free kick/penalty if the players stay on their feet, it just encourages players to go down cheaply and makes people who are good at diving more valuable than they should be.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 12:07:08 PM
If salah had been in that position it would have been a pen because he would have gone down normally. He's world class at buying pens as well as in other ways. I think it's slightly endearing that we've got a player who's that shit at cheating :D
and Fernandes, Kane, Sterling along with many others all across the top leagues in Europe.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 12:18:57 PM
If salah had been in that position it would have been a pen because he would have gone down normally. He's world class at buying pens as well as in other ways. I think it's slightly endearing that we've got a player who's that shit at cheating :D
and Fernandes, Kane, Sterling along with many others all across the top leagues in Europe.
yep.
Post by: BC Villain on January 07, 2022, 09:10:43 PM
Within the space of a couple of minutes, Trevor Sinclair and Alan Brazil performed a brutal character assassination of EL GHAZI for his dive at Brentford, before accusing him of being a repeat offender. Then not to be outdone, Ray Parlour decides to voice his opinion that Coutinho is a great signing for LIVERPOOL!!!!!
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 08, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 08, 2022, 10:29:54 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 09, 2022, 08:08:52 AM
Brazil hates the villa - pay no attention to the fat alcoholic
(https://i.ibb.co/3TNVPPM/1980-81-division-one-champions-aston-villa-6506-1-p.png) (https://ibb.co/kG8zPP9)
Post by: jwarry on January 14, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on January 14, 2022, 07:15:41 PM
Brazil hates the villa - pay no attention to the fat alcoholic
(https://i.ibb.co/3TNVPPM/1980-81-division-one-champions-aston-villa-6506-1-p.png) (https://ibb.co/kG8zPP9)
That mug is a thing of beauty!
Post by: chrisw1 on January 14, 2022, 07:23:41 PM
Beginning to sound like Trez is on his way out after SG’s comments. He clearly doesn’t fancy him and is definitely weeding out the weak links in our squad nowI like Trez but I've always thought he lacks quality for the PL. Great work ethic and occaisional flash of excellence but mostly just very average. I had him behind Traore and Elghazi and would prefer to start Bidace and Archer too tbh.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 14, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 14, 2022, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 14, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
Glad it looks like Gerrards got this guys number quickly. I made my mind up about him very early on and nothing he's done has made me change it. Nowhere near good enough for this level and his antics are pathetic. If we get half our money back on him it will be a miracle.
How did you feel about his goals against Palarse and Arsenal, which ultimately kept us up?
Post by: LukeJames on January 14, 2022, 08:13:30 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 14, 2022, 08:31:19 PM
Post by: john e on January 14, 2022, 08:43:58 PM
Glad it looks like Gerrards got this guys number quickly. I made my mind up about him very early on and nothing he's done has made me change it. Nowhere near good enough for this level and his antics are pathetic. If we get half our money back on him it will be a miracle.
How did you feel about his goals against Palarse and Arsenal, which ultimately kept us up?
Gestede scored a cracker against blues but I still thought he was bit rubbish
Hause scored a winner against Man Utd but he’s no where near top half prem level
Jed Steer made great penalty saves to put us through to the play off final but you wouldn’t want him in goal now
It just doesn’t work that way
Post by: KevinGage on January 14, 2022, 09:25:59 PM
I also felt he played a role in our good start to last season n'all, providing the nuisance value and graft on the right to counterbalance the flair on the left.
Post by: john e on January 14, 2022, 09:26:33 PM
For the relatively modest £7-10 million we spent on him, we got that back a few times over with the wins at the back end of 2019/20 and the winner against Leicester in the cup semi.
I also felt he played a role in our good start to last season n'all, providing the nuisance value and graft on the right to counterbalance the flair on the left.
No problem with any of that
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2022, 02:12:27 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2022, 12:19:32 PM
He's given us pretty good value for the money we paid, but I think we'll be lucky to get our money back now unless he stays in the premier league - which is doubtful. He's never lacked effort (which is the absolute minimum I expect from a Villa player), he's just short of the quality needed at the top end of the table (which I can forgive if the effort is there).
The fact that he and El Ghazi look to be on the periphery of the squad now is a good sign of our progress. A year ago we could have started them in the same team in close to our strongest 11. If he goes this window, he'll go with my good wishes, just like Anwar.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 15, 2022, 12:43:17 PM
Beginning to sound like Trez is on his way out after SG’s comments. He clearly doesn’t fancy him and is definitely weeding out the weak links in our squad now
What did he say?
Post by: jwarry on January 15, 2022, 01:30:49 PM
Beginning to sound like Trez is on his way out after SG’s comments. He clearly doesn’t fancy him and is definitely weeding out the weak links in our squad now
What did he say?
Something along the lines of “ We’ve had a conversation in terms of what he needs next and he obviously needs game time. He could find that challenging here so we’ll be respectful to him and we’ll see what lands from now until the end of the window but, as it stands now, he’ll be returning after the AFCON”
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 15, 2022, 01:49:25 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2022, 02:27:40 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2022, 06:27:47 PM
Post by: algy on January 30, 2022, 07:10:37 PM
Seemingly off on loan to Başakşehir FK in Turkey. At least what they are claimingThink it'd be a decent move for him all things considered. Step up from Kasimpasa (sp?) who we signed him from, and he clearly knows & can perform in the Turkish league.
Good luck to him if he does go. Could be posting Champions League football next season.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2022, 07:14:26 PM
I can't imagine Gerrard is very impressed with the antics at Brentford. Scored a couple of important goals but not up to the level required, not where we are aiming anyway.
I don't see why, there wasn't much between that and the free kick he won to get the winner against us in 2007.
Post by: nigel on January 30, 2022, 09:07:42 PM
Into semi finals
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2022, 11:13:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2022, 11:15:19 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 31, 2022, 07:19:45 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 11:14:15 AM
Or we could just buy Mo, ourselves. Let Danny go back 'home' to Anfield in part-ex.
But nah, Trez will be off on-loan to a team in Turkey, I guess, if there is time and his participation at the AFCON isn't hindering any move.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 11:24:54 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 31, 2022, 04:24:08 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2022, 02:39:24 PM
never ever going to be a Prem starter each week
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2022, 03:10:40 PM
Post by: Damo70 on February 01, 2022, 04:08:29 PM
He gets another crucial goal at AFCON and we may end-up making a profit on him.
I always quite liked El Ghazi and Trezeguet. If I remember correctly they both did well for us and helped us stay up particularly after 'project restart' and the run in and relegation battle.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2022, 04:19:18 PM
He gets another crucial goal at AFCON and we may end-up making a profit on him.
I always quite liked El Ghazi and Trezeguet. If I remember correctly they both did well for us and helped us stay up particularly after 'project restart' and the run in and relegation battle.
Conor and Trez clocked up some great goals and assist stats in those last few games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 01, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
They have both played massive roles in getting us to where we are. That should never be forgotten.just because someone isn't good enough now doesn't mean they'll be forgotten :)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 01, 2022, 05:35:00 PM
He gets another crucial goal at AFCON and we may end-up making a profit on him.
I don't think we've got many players at all who'll sell for less than we paid. Ings, perhaps. And Wes, probably. Can't see us making fortunes out of many of them, but we've improved most if not all of them, and their fees if sold will likely reflect that.
Post by: jwarry on February 01, 2022, 06:25:09 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2022, 08:49:54 PM
Not watched any of the AfCon so can anybody tell what position he plays for Egypt?
Came on at halftime tonight as a centre mid on the left of a 3. Has looked decent without really getting a grip in there.
Post by: Gerrin on February 03, 2022, 09:27:02 PM
Not watched any of the AfCon so can anybody tell what position he plays for Egypt?
God knows. The overall quality of the football is terrible though, tonight and last night's Acon games.
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2022, 09:51:15 PM
Emi has his Copa America medal...did Dugee win the Olympics with Brazil? Young has obviously won stuff with the Redshite but not counting that, are we...
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2022, 09:57:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2022, 09:59:23 PM
Congratulations to Mahmoud Hassan! He could become one of our most successful players by Sunday night.
Emi has his Copa America medal...did Dugee win the Olympics with Brazil? Young has obviously won stuff with the Redshite but not counting that, are we...
On Sunday we could have winners of 3 of the last 4 major tournaments in the dressing room.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2022, 10:00:57 PM
Congratulations to Mahmoud Hassan! He could become one of our most successful players by Sunday night.
Hopefully, plus it would please Elmo and Nas. We don't want Mr. Sawiris falling out of love with 'the Beautiful Game' anytime soon. :)
Post by: mrfuse on February 08, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 08, 2022, 02:49:03 PM
Good luck to him. Scored some massive goals to keep us in the league. Hopefully though this turns into a permanent move and he can regular football out there following that injury. A good player, just not what we need for where we are headed.
Post by: Moonraker on February 08, 2022, 04:03:55 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2022, 04:34:36 PM
As other have said always did his best just like his country mate Ahmed. Can we sign more of Pharaohs please? Start with Zizo.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 08, 2022, 04:45:14 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 08, 2022, 05:05:11 PM
Post by: john2710 on February 08, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
Wish him the best of luck.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2022, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 08, 2022, 05:41:31 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 08, 2022, 06:29:41 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 08, 2022, 08:12:56 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 09, 2022, 01:10:13 AM
But wingers, and limited ones at that like Trez and AEG, are surplus to requirements with the likes of Coutinho, Buendia and still to come back in fully Traore and Bailey competing for 2-3 spots max. The last two have a fair bit to prove I suspect to the relatively new management team. Chucky seems to he highly rated too.
Post by: Drummond on February 09, 2022, 09:05:34 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 09, 2022, 10:39:17 AM
To be fair I've never really thought of him as a winger. A right-sided midfielder for sure though.Yeh an Egyptian Paul Birch.
Post by: Drummond on February 09, 2022, 11:30:33 AM
To be fair I've never really thought of him as a winger. A right-sided midfielder for sure though.Yeh an Egyptian Paul Birch.
Sphinxy, and Birchy.......
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2022, 01:39:27 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 09, 2022, 01:57:38 PM
To be fair I've never really thought of him as a winger. A right-sided midfielder for sure though.Yeh an Egyptian Paul Birch.
Sphinxy, and Birchy.......
That Sir is just genius
Trez
Thank you for the Arsenal goal and the 2 against Palace
Thank you for taking the smile of that Mug Schmiechal in the last minute of the Semi
You had lovely hair!
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 09, 2022, 02:41:11 PM
Similarly, Jed Steer will always have a place in our hearts.
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 03:19:08 PM
Wish him all the best and hope it goes well for him. Still want Trabzonspor to win the title though.
Cos they're claret and blue like me and you ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
Wish him all the best and hope it goes well for him. Still want Trabzonspor to win the title though.
Cos they're claret and blue like me and you ?
Well, it's always good to see someone else aside from the Istanbul Big 3 (and Erdogan's lot) win it but yes because they're claret and blue and a bit more.
Quote from: Wikipedia
Although a number of theories have been put forward as to why the club colours of Trabzonspor are claret and blue, it has been claimed that they were adopted after the club were sent a set of kits by the English club Aston Villa after their formation in 1967.
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 03:38:05 PM
And of course that result played a part in Ron's departure who you couldn't help love even in our bad spells under him.
Still, I adopted Celta Vigo as my Spanish team after they played us off the pitch four years later so it can work both ways.
Post by: Moonraker on February 09, 2022, 04:00:31 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Post by: algy on February 09, 2022, 05:10:16 PM
My uncle went to the away game at Trabzonspor and came back raving about them. Mostly along the lines of 'it's brilliant ... the beer's cheap, the food's great, and everywhere's painted claret & blue'. Anyway, ever since they've been my adopted Turkish side.
Post by: john e on February 09, 2022, 05:52:23 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 09, 2022, 06:05:01 PM
And the goals that helped keep us up.
Feels right that Trez and El Ghazi have moved on, limited but important players at a time of our re-emergence from a decade of shite and charlatans.
Thanks and good luck to him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2022, 11:05:36 PM
Wondering why all the shipping out of so many players
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2022, 06:43:51 PM
Shame he doesn't fit SG system !!
Knows where the goal is.
The opposition Rizepor brought on Bolasie for the last 15 minutes!
Post by: Drummond on February 20, 2022, 07:22:10 PM
Post by: Risso on February 20, 2022, 07:45:07 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2022, 11:29:32 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 26, 2022, 02:37:38 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 26, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
Trez scores the opening goal for İstanbul Başakşehir but currently 2-1 down with ten minutes to play
Great news, as eamonn said we may make some money on him yet.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 09, 2022, 10:26:55 PM
Looking at the Super Lig, the fees tend to max out around £6m.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2022, 10:33:34 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on June 10, 2022, 08:36:08 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2022, 09:08:34 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2022, 09:53:12 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 10, 2022, 10:04:05 AM
I wish him well and wave good bye
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 10, 2022, 11:14:05 AM
I like him, but he isn't good enough for where we are aiming. We wouldn't be in that position without his goals, so good luck him.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 11, 2022, 12:18:35 PM
Apparently Trabzonspor have opened up talks to buy him. Wonder how much we will get for him with a year left on his contract.
Looking at the Super Lig, the fees tend to max out around £6m.
Looks like several clubs are interested in him, so could come down to which one offers the best deal - both in terms of transfer fee and personal terms.
Could push the fee up towards €10m?
Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2022, 09:18:02 PM
Same goes for AEG
Post by: Dogtanian on June 11, 2022, 10:19:10 PM
With 5 subs next season, Trez is a player that I wouldn’t mind staying.
Same goes for AEG
I think they’ll cash in on both given half a chance.
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2022, 06:22:38 AM
With 5 subs next season, Trez is a player that I wouldn’t mind staying.
Same goes for AEG
I think they’ll cash in on both given half a chance.
Agree. I think we’ll have much better options available from the bench this coming season.
Trez will go to Turkey,
I wonder if AEG might end up at Albion, as wasn’t it Bruce who bought him to us?
Post by: algy on June 20, 2022, 05:11:45 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 20, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Apparently reached an agreement in principle to sell Trez to Trabzonspor for £3m.
They have a bargain. I'd have asked for at least a Kagillion Turkish Lira. Oh no wait, that's only £476 ???
Post by: SaddVillan on June 30, 2022, 10:06:33 AM
Every little helps I suppose.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 10:10:26 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
Trez did a job. He doesn't owe us anything and I wish him well.
Yup, that about sums it up.
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2022, 11:48:09 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 30, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
He did indeed. I thought he greatly improved in his second season too, was much more disciplined, and contributed a lot to that great start to the season.
Indeed, real unsung hero in that great run at the start of 20/21. Worked his socks off. Never really got back in after injury/covid
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2022, 01:02:26 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2022, 01:36:19 PM
He did indeed. I thought he greatly improved in his second season too, was much more disciplined, and contributed a lot to that great start to the season.
Indeed, real unsung hero in that great run at the start of 20/21. Worked his socks off. Never really got back in after injury/covid
Yeah, it seemed he was just beginning to click when he got injured. Hope he goes on to do well.
Post by: colin69 on June 30, 2022, 02:08:36 PM
Chipped in with some very important goals.
All the best to him.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on June 30, 2022, 02:24:43 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on June 30, 2022, 03:40:17 PM
Post by: Scratchins on June 30, 2022, 04:06:24 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2022, 05:42:13 PM
Good luck Trez and thanks for the memories. The goal against Leicester was one of my favourites - ever.
Agreed.
Good luck to the lad.
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2022, 06:39:49 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 30, 2022, 07:20:57 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 30, 2022, 07:23:15 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2022, 08:16:33 PM
That goal against Leicester, too.......
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2022, 08:17:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Good luck Trez and thanks for the memories. The goal against Leicester was one of my favourites - ever.
Just for you. https://twitter.com/DougEllisStand/status/1542319070439251968
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2022, 10:30:22 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on June 30, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2022, 10:45:01 PM
Outstanding! Especially with no commentary.
Such a great night that was, brilliant cross by Elmo
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 05:09:48 AM
Me and my mate just turned and looked at each other before we celebrated, it was literally out of nowhere.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 01, 2022, 07:21:05 AM
I remember being in disbelief at that goal. We’d all just accepted it was going to extra time and the nerves had gone as the 90 was basically over. Nothing seemed on when Elmo had the ball and then the next thing we know it’s in the back of the net.
Me and my mate just turned and looked at each other before we celebrated, it was literally out of nowhere.
We couldn’t get to the Liverpool semi final win, so other that the Play off semi finals, which is obviously different, this was my kids first semi final. It was actually a really good game and despite us struggling in the league, we played well. But when that goal went in the place went nuts…brilliant stuff. If nothing else Trez will always go down in Villa history for that moment.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 01, 2022, 08:33:02 AM
What a night indeed. I'm being thick though - who was no.30 in that clip?Good luck Trez and thanks for the memories. The goal against Leicester was one of my favourites - ever.
Just for you. https://twitter.com/DougEllisStand/status/1542319070439251968
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 08:35:59 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 01, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Hause.Thanks, yes, though it was, wonder why he was so far up front in open play?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 09:14:01 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2022, 09:16:12 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 09:19:04 AM
What a cross though. Elmo may have been a fairly mediocre player, but his crossing ability was world class.
Yes, really good cross. Reminds me of his play-off final cross to El Ghazi too. Just shows with experience and technique, you don't always have to run yourself to death to cross from the edge of the box.
Post by: Mellin on July 02, 2022, 12:39:12 AM
As for Trez; Leicester, Arsenal, Palace. That's enough for me. Earned his keep. Won't be forgotten quickly.
Post by: Scratchins on July 02, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 04, 2022, 12:35:17 PM
His goals against Arsenal & the last minute winner against the East Midland Orks my standouts.
Post by: Matt C on July 04, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 04, 2022, 01:10:14 PM
Great work ethic and very passionate and gave his all for the team and the football club.
I hope we keep El Ghazi now as it would be a shame to lose both players who have played huge parts in any success we have had in recent history .
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2022, 01:26:06 PM
It's actually quite nice to be able to wish players well for the future, rather than bemoaning their loss.....
Post by: Legion on July 04, 2022, 02:57:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
Gutted
Great work ethic and very passionate and gave his all for the team and the football club.
I hope we keep El Ghazi now as it would be a shame to lose both players who have played huge parts in any success we have had in recent history.
I can see why you'd be a fan of his work ethic given you're trying way too hard.
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2022, 04:01:36 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 01:31:16 AM
Gutted
Great work ethic and very passionate and gave his all for the team and the football club.
I hope we keep El Ghazi now as it would be a shame to lose both players who have played huge parts in any success we have had in recent history .
I agree with you on Trez's work, reminded me very much of Frank Carrodus, never stopped working for the team, not the most skillful but what a cog in a great team. He arrived with very high expectations that was demonstrated by the number of Egyptian fans signing up to Villa social media. His injury was poorly timed and never looked the same player again.
El Ghazi we should have sold last summer when we could have got £15m for him, now we'll struggle to get £5m for him; he's likely to run out his contract on loan. He's a great penalty taker and there's few that can shoot so persistently straight at the keeper. Yes, he scored a few, mainly against the Albion but for me he was always an eunuch. Biggest waste of space since our last biggest waste of space. The talent is there but not the confidence. Any time he got the ball his first option was to pass it back to Targett, who also was shit scared to put a cross in.
Thanks Trez, I'll always respect your effort, fighting every minute for the team but like El Ghazi you're both Championship players. The difference is you'll work to make something happen, the Ronaldo clone is just a push up bra. Some will always love him without understanding he's not what you think he is.
Whatever turns you on.
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 05, 2022, 01:52:18 AM
Thanks a lot, Trez. Without you and Conor, we wouldn't have survived the 19/20 season.
Post by: Rory on July 05, 2022, 01:57:37 AM
Some 'interesting' posts on here...
Thanks a lot, Trez. Without you and Conor, we wouldn't have survived the 19/20 season.
Agreed. He was a decent player for where we were, he delivered to a certain extent, now hopefully we can upgrade and wish him all the best.