Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gary Penrice on June 28, 2019, 05:38:31 PM
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https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/06/28/villa-park-sold-to-club-owners-in-567million-deal/?fbclid=IwAR3WvNNRxPFge_FOTI9yw6LgKG8dLwqLRNk9ibt0OcR7chDmuMCGuUlPs_Q
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Cue pictures of the Villa badge/crest splitting in half on the front page of the Mail.
Should we be worried?
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its for FFP so no worries
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Didnt we know about this weeks ago?
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Steve Gibson won’t be happy
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Steve Gibson won’t be happy
Fuck him
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I must admit I find all this sort of thing very confusing. Who owned the ground before?
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Didn’t Christian Purslow specifically state there were no plans to sell the ground at the recent fan forum?
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Didn’t Christian Purslow specifically state there were no plans to sell the ground at the recent fan forum?
He said no plans to sell “to a third party”.
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Didn’t Christian Purslow specifically state there were no plans to sell the ground at the recent fan forum?
Sell the ground naming rights I imagine. Selling it back to ourselves is different.
Oh and fuck Steve Gibson
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Didn’t Christian Purslow specifically state there were no plans to sell the ground at the recent fan forum?
Sell the ground naming rights I imagine. Selling it back to ourselves is different.
Oh and fuck Steve Gibson
No, he gave a clever answer, where he said there were no plans to sell the club 'to a third party'.
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Do we now not need to agree a fair rent payable back to the holding company for this to stack up as a FFP dodge?
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Do we now not need to agree a fair rent payable back to the holding company for this to stack up as a FFP dodge?
I would think so.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
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NSWE Ltd have bought it from RECON Group UK Ltd.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
It’s called capitalism and it’s bollocks. Philip Green’s wife owns his businesses and lives in Monaco, Facebook and Amazon pay less tax than me. Apparently, this is a really good way of generating a huge amount of money and the crumbs thereof landing on our plates mean that it is entirely in our interests.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
They have sold the ground to another company which they own - this is a way for them to get £60m into the club and satisfy FFP regulations.
They can't just inject 60m any more like in the old days.
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It should have been at least £100M. Well done Villa anyway.
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First stage in a plan to move the club to a site just off the M5 near Worcester. 😉
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Somewhat ironic that one of the adverts on H&V is for an equity release company.
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Somewhat ironic that one of the adverts on H&V is for an equity release company.
And that someone is selling a Villa Park on another thread
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
Sneaky FFP jiggery pokery. Working within the rules but not the spirit of the rules. We are a high profile team, so I fully expect an investigation of sorts by public opinion/press. Time will tell whether we get punished or more likely they adjust FFP to prevent it happening in the future. Seems we’ve been given a clean bill of health based upon recent meetings with the league, but I imagine the rules will be tweaked.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
Sneaky FFP jiggery pokery. Working within the rules but not the spirit of the rules. We are a high profile team, so I fully expect an investigation of sorts by public opinion/press. Time will tell whether we get punished or more likely they adjust FFP to prevent it happening in the future. Seems we’ve been given a clean bill of health based upon recent meetings with the league, but I imagine the rules will be tweaked.
It's very simple to legitimise this, you just say that's it's been done to reflect the fact that the stadium, whilst heavily tied to the club, is used for other events (commonwealth games for example) and these alternative uses can be better handled in this new structure.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
Sneaky FFP jiggery pokery. Working within the rules but not the spirit of the rules. We are a high profile team, so I fully expect an investigation of sorts by public opinion/press. Time will tell whether we get punished or more likely they adjust FFP to prevent it happening in the future. Seems we’ve been given a clean bill of health based upon recent meetings with the league, but I imagine the rules will be tweaked.
It's very simple to legitimise this, you just say that's it's been done to reflect the fact that the stadium, whilst heavily tied to the club, is used for other events (commonwealth games for example) and these alternative uses can be better handled in this new structure.
Exactly jiggery pokery. Let’s be fair it’s a way around the system used by a fair few teams.
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If we were to be relegated, God forbid, does this not hurt us in the long run as we can't sell it twice to avoid future FFP?
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We can always just sell Bodymoor Heath...
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Ultimately, whose money is used to make this purchase and ultimately who does it go to?
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
Sneaky FFP jiggery pokery. Working within the rules but not the spirit of the rules. We are a high profile team, so I fully expect an investigation of sorts by public opinion/press. Time will tell whether we get punished or more likely they adjust FFP to prevent it happening in the future. Seems we’ve been given a clean bill of health based upon recent meetings with the league, but I imagine the rules will be tweaked.
As I said at the time Derby did it, it's not jiggery pokery, it's a common sale and leaseback transaction that has real commercial consequences. The club don't own the stadium any longer. As long as it's at a proper market value then there's no problem from a purely business point of view. Obviously there's the emotional side, which is a different thing entirely.
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Ultimately, whose money is used to make this purchase and ultimately who does it go to?
Edens and Sawiris fund NSWE Stadium Ltd with £60m of their own money. NSWE Stadium Ltd pay Aston Villa FC Ltd (or whatever our holding company is called) £60m to buy the stadium. Aston Villa FC Ltd now have an added income of £60m on the books and therefore reduce their losses and pass FFP. NSWE Stadium Ltd have -£60m on their books, but that does not matter, because they are not subject to FFP. They are a seperate company.
It is basically a really, really transparent way for Edens and Sawiris to get money into the club. A little bit like selling massively overvalued naming rights (Man City).
I am just glad we have owners with enough money to do this to avoid us getting shafted over finances. They have, apparently, done this at a figure which is just right to get us out of the shit whilst not looking insanely dodgy (apparently Derby did the same thing except for a higher figure which attracted way more suspicion).
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So the club is renting back the stadium at hopefully £10/month.
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If you want a laugh at some thick fucking idiots, check out the thread on this on smallcockalliance.com
Obviously, they have a special thread every time we so much as sign someone.
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Edens and Sawiris fund NSWE Stadium Ltd with £60m of their own money. NSWE Stadium Ltd pay Aston Villa FC Ltd (or whatever our holding company is called) £60m to buy the stadium. Aston Villa FC Ltd now have an added income of £60m on the books and therefore reduce their losses and pass FFP. NSWE Stadium Ltd have -£60m on their books, but that does not matter, because they are not subject to FFP. They are a seperate company.
It is basically a really, really transparent way for Edens and Sawiris to get money into the club. A little bit like selling massively overvalued naming rights (Man City).
I am just glad we have owners with enough money to do this to avoid us getting shafted over finances. They have, apparently, done this at a figure which is just right to get us out of the shit whilst not looking insanely dodgy (apparently Derby did the same thing except for a higher figure which attracted way more suspicion).
Ta very much.
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What i don't understand is .. who have they bought it from ?
Don't they already own it ?
When they bought the club surely Villa Park was part of the deal if not who owns it ?
It’s called capitalism and it’s bollocks. Philip Green’s wife owns his businesses and lives in Monaco, Facebook and Amazon pay less tax than me. Apparently, this is a really good way of generating a huge amount of money and the crumbs thereof landing on our plates mean that it is entirely in our interests.
Of course NSWE have bought the stadium and not the pitch and the grass thereby attached to it. Next season hopefully they will buy the pitch and the grass for another £60M😉
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And corner flags, goalposts and nets, paint on the lines and the dugout shed ( with water bottles and seats) could be another nice little earner :D
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If you want a laugh at some thick fucking idiots, check out the thread on this on smallcockalliance.com
Obviously, they have a special thread every time we so much as sign someone.
Why even bother with them. They are firmly in our rear view mirror now and best left to heavyweight intellectual debates with their new tenants about who hates us more.
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If this was the silver bullet for our FFP worries, would we have been in the shit otherwise? I mean before this story broke what were the best guesses for Purslow being so confident that our finances were OK?
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If this was the silver bullet for our FFP worries, would we have been in the shit otherwise? I mean before this story broke what were the best guesses for Purslow being so confident that our finances were OK?
I had always assumed it was compensation for the HS2 rail link bisecting Bodymoor Heath tbh....
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What are the plans after the demolition of the shop and the academy building?
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If this was the silver bullet for our FFP worries, would we have been in the shit otherwise? I mean before this story broke what were the best guesses for Purslow being so confident that our finances were OK?
I had always assumed it was compensation for the HS2 rail link bisecting Bodymoor Heath tbh....
Me too. Maybe that funds the purchase of Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar in January
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If my memory is right last summer the club bought out a raft of leases including, amongst others, a semi detached house in Great Barr and Villa Park. If so, in recent history we have only owned the stadium for a year. Can anyone verify and explain this?
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We have held the freehold since 1897 for Villa Park. It was just mortgaged. I haven't looked at Land Reg, and I'm not spending £3, but I imagine we now have a long term, maybe 999 year, lease.
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I have never had a problem with owners investing money in a football club, provided that it is not just money loaned to the club and I think FFP should reflect this. Say an owner buys a club for £50m and invest another £50m in capital and the only way he can get it back is by selling the club or from profits (generally minimal in football) and in the future he wants to sell the club and it is only worth £50m, the loss is down to the owner and his poor investment. The club has had a windfall and ends up back in the same position. The owner is £50m worse off but the club is back in the same position.
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Here you go legal types:
Title Number : MM120255
This title is dealt with by HM Land Registry, Coventry Office.
The following extract contains information taken from the register of the above title
number. A full copy of the register accompanies this document and you should read that
in order to be sure that these brief details are complete.
Neither this extract nor the full copy is an 'Official Copy' of the register. An
official copy of the register is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent
as the original. A person is entitled to be indemnified by the registrar if he or she
suffers loss by reason of a mistake in an official copy.
This extract shows information current on 29 JUN 2019 at 11:27:28 and so does not take
account of any application made after that time even if pending in HM Land Registry
when this extract was issued.
REGISTER EXTRACT
Title Number
Address of Property
Price Stated
Registered Owner(s)
Lender(s)
: MM120255
: Villa Park, Trinity Road, Birmingham (B6 6HE)
: £56,700,000
: NSWE STADIUM LIMITED (Co. Regn. No. 10883540) of Villa Park, Trinity Road, Birmingham B6 6HE.
: None
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Title number MM120255
This is a copy of the register of the title number set out immediately below, showing
the entries in the register on 29 JUN 2019 at 11:27:28. This copy does not take account
of any application made after that time even if still pending in HM Land Registry when
this copy was issued.
This copy is not an 'Official Copy' of the register. An official copy of the register
is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent as the original. A person is
entitled to be indemnified by the registrar if he or she suffers loss by reason of a
mistake in an official copy. If you want to obtain an official copy, the HM Land
Registry web site explains how to do this.
A: Property Register
This register describes the land and estate comprised in
the title.
WEST MIDLANDS : BIRMINGHAM
1 (14.02.2019) The Freehold land shown edged with red on the plan of the
above title filed at the Registry and being Villa Park, Trinity Road,
Birmingham (B6 6HE).
2 (14.02.2019) The land has the benefit of the following legal easements
reserved by a Conveyance of 4 Nelson Road dated 8 June 1979 made
between (1) Aston Villa Football Club (Vendor) and (2) James Farrell
(Purchaser) but is subject to the following rights that are granted by
the said deed and affect the registered land:-
"Together Also with the benefit of all rights of light and air drainage
way passage support and other quasi-easements of a continuous nature
hitherto used enjoyed exercised and enjoyed in respect of the property
through over or under the adjoining or neighbouring property now or
formerly of the Vendor EXCEPTING AND RESERVING unto the Vendor and all
persons authorised by it the like rights of light and air drainage way
passage support and other quasi easements of a continuous nature now or
hitherto used exercised or enjoyed in respect of the other adjoining or
neighbouring properties of the Vendor through over or under the
property and any services jointly used being maintained at the joint
expense of the respective owners for the time being."
3 (14.02.2019) The land has the benefit of the following legal easements
reserved by a Conveyance of 6 Nelson Road dated 4 June 1982 made
between (1) Aston Villa Football Club PLC (Vendor) and (2) Akbar Jan
(Purchaser) but is subject to the following rights that are granted by
the said deed and affect the registered land:-
"TOGETHER with the benefit of and subject to all party walls and fences
support of walls sewers drains spouting rights of way water light air
and drainage and any other privileges or advantages in the nature of
easements (if any) as are now enjoyed or suffered (all which but for
the fact that the property hereby conveyed and the adjoining properties
have belonged to the Vendor would be enjoyed or suffered by the owners
or occupiers of the property hereby conveyed) in common with the owners
or occupiers for the time being of the said adjoining properties of the
Vendor and the adjoining owners or occupiers and the persons deriving
title under them paying a proportionate part of the expense of keeping
such party easements in proper repair and condition."
B: Proprietorship Register
This register specifies the class of title and
identifies the owner. It contains any entries that
affect the right of disposal.
Title absolute
1 (06.06.2019) PROPRIETOR: NSWE STADIUM LIMITED (Co. Regn. No. 10883540)
of Villa Park, Trinity Road, Birmingham B6 6HE.
2 (06.06.2019) The price stated to have been paid on 21 May 2019 for the
land in this title and in WM193792, WM594506 and WM617783 was
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Title number MM120255
B: Proprietorship Register continued £56,700,000.
3 (06.06.2019) The Transfer to the proprietor contains a covenant to
observe and perform the covenants by the landlord contained in the
leases referred to in the schedule of notices of leases and of
indemnity in respect thereof.
C: Charges Register
This register contains any charges and other matters
that affect the land.
1 (14.02.2019) An Indenture afecting the land tinted pink on the title
plan dated 31 July 1911 made between (1) Ansells Brewery Limited
(Vendor Company) and (2) The Aston Villa Football Club Limited
(Purchaser Company) contains restrictive covenants.
¬NOTE:-Copy filed.
2 (14.02.2019) An Agreement dated 6 June 2000 made between (1) Birmingham
City Council and (2) Aston Villa PLC pursuant to section 106 of the
Town and Country Planning Act 1990 contains covenants.
¬NOTE: Copy filed.
3 (14.02.2019) The parts of the land affected thereby are subject to the
leases set out in the schedule of leases hereto.
The leases grant and reserve easements as therein mentioned.
4 (14.02.2019) Land Charges registration number 19076 dated 2 February
1971 protecting Land Charge Class C(I) against Aston Villa Football
Club Limited.
No further particulars were supplied on first registration.
Schedule of notices of leases
1 14.02.2019
Edged and
Electricity sub-station,
Witton Lane, Birmingham
27.03.2014
999 years from
27.03.2014
MM34080
numbered 1 in
blue
NOTE: The lease contains also other land.
End of register
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It is a way around FFP and a way for the owners to inject money into the club for the benefit of the club. Clever owners who are wealthy enough to do this kind of thing will do it. The less wealthy and less savvy owners will complain about it. Again the clever owners will make sure they haven't broken any rules where some owners will come a cropper if they have broken rules.
I am off to Small Heath Alliance now to have a laugh at their reaction. I will be disappointed if their thread on this subject isn't already at least ten pages long.
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If we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
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If we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
[/quoteIf we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
I wouldn’t mind watching somebody boxing Take That 😁
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If we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
Not necessarily the case.
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If we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
Depends on if we are paying NSWE match by match rental for use of the actual stadium or we have it leased back🤔
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The main advantage I see from having a separate company own the ground despite the obvious one to make sure we comply with ffp
Is that if heaven forbid that someone tried to wind up Aston Villa fc
for any debt, we would still have a ground which could not be touched by the receivers, allowing us to start up again wiping our debts out at the same time. As I believe other clubs have done including Wolves have
done in the past which is my understanding of the situation
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Say in 5 years time, could NSWE Stadium Ltd buy the rest of the football club, merge the two, and we get back to being able to sell our stadium back to ourselves again? (Obvs waiting long enough that it isn't suspect)
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
It is with the legal advisors.
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
It is with the legal advisors.
Whose?
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
Apparently it doesn't count if the primary use isn't going to be changed.
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
Apparently it doesn't count if the primary use isn't going to be changed.
That would make sense. Cheers.
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The Trust aren't deliriously happy, mind. https://villatrust.org.uk/villa-park/
Villa Park
The Trust is concerned to read the news today, that despite the recording of an Asset of Community Value on the stadium, a transfer of ownership may have taken place.
We are attempting to clarify the details. When they are available we will seek an urgent meeting with the club.
In addition, we will be requesting clarification on the loss of match day facilities for fans, with the demolition of Villa Village and the Academy, which was not mentioned at the FCG when it is evident plans were far advanced.
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If we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
[/quoteIf we have non-footballing events at Villa Park, eg boxing matches or Take That concerts, I assume this means Villa no longer get any of the money?
I wouldn’t mind watching somebody boxing Take That 😁
I have seen Bruce Springsteen live at Villa Park. Unfortunately I missed the Villa Park gigs of Duran Duran and Billy Graham. Apparently Billy Graham's support act was Cliff Richard.
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I'm not concerned about the sale, but what happened to Villa Park being an Asset of Community Value? i thought that in the event of a sale, it meant the owners had to inform the people who had applied for it to be so registered, in this case the Trust?
Apparently it doesn't count if the primary use isn't going to be changed.
That would make sense. Cheers.
Actually, I think it's probably more likely to do with this exemption:
10.—(1) A disposal by one body corporate to another, where the second one is a group undertaking in relation to the first.
(2) In this paragraph, “group undertaking” has the meaning given by section 1161(5) of the Companies Act 2006(d).
I think as it's a sale to a related party under common contol it meets that exemption.
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The Trust aren't deliriously happy, mind. https://villatrust.org.uk/villa-park/
Villa Park
The Trust is concerned to read the news today, that despite the recording of an Asset of Community Value on the stadium, a transfer of ownership may have taken place.
We are attempting to clarify the details. When they are available we will seek an urgent meeting with the club.
In addition, we will be requesting clarification on the loss of match day facilities for fans, with the demolition of Villa Village and the Academy, which was not mentioned at the FCG when it is evident plans were far advanced.
That's an interesting point about it not being mentioned at the FCG meeting.
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They sort of did. The question was asked, and the response was "no plans to sell it to a third party". Obviously a more precise answer would have been "we're just signing off on selling it to a related party".
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They sort of did. The question was asked, and the response was "no plans to sell it to a third party". Obviously a more precise answer would have been "we're just signing off on selling it to a related party".
I assumed they were on about the demolition not selling VP.
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Just heard on Talksport that the Times is doing a report on the Premier League investigating this sale to make sure it complies with their FFP rules despite the EFL signing this off.
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It just won’t fucking go away, will it?
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It just won’t fucking go away, will it?
It seems that way. We’re just a big club trying to reestablish ourselves. What’s the problem EPL,EFL?
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The fair value will have taken two minutes to sort. Phone a couple of Chartered Surveyors, get them round, job done.
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The Times piece is a bit sensationalist. The PL have been provided with our accounts and will be required to sign them off as compliant.
As a part of that, they will check if the related transfer of VP was at market value. We insist it was and we're compliant.
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The Times piece is a bit sensationalist. The PL have been provided with our accounts and will be required to sign them off as compliant.
As a part of that, they will check if the related transfer of VP was at market value. We insist it was and we're compliant.
Yep pretty rubbish and speculative article for The Times, more like a Sun piece, very poor by their standards
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They sort of did. The question was asked, and the response was "no plans to sell it to a third party". Obviously a more precise answer would have been "we're just signing off on selling it to a related party".
I assumed they were on about the demolition not selling VP.
Yep.
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The Times piece is a bit sensationalist. The PL have been provided with our accounts and will be required to sign them off as compliant.
As a part of that, they will check if the related transfer of VP was at market value. We insist it was and we're compliant.
Exactly. The ground will have been in at Fair Value in the audited accounts since forever anyway, with periodic revaluations, so as long as it's not hugely different from that, there will be no problem at all. Absolute load of bollocks.
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It just won’t fucking go away, will it?
It seems that way. We’re just a big club trying to reestablish ourselves. What’s the problem EPL,EFL?
The problem is jealous twats like Steve Gibson who are all too aware that they are cash poor compared to other club owners so they are banging on about overspending and how good they are at being compliant in an effort to hide the fact that they can't compete in the transfer market. Effectively small man syndrome, but he obviously won't give up, and so long as people listen to him (the press, the league, whoever), the issue won't go away.
We're a perfect test case for him because we beat them in the Playoffs last year and went up this year in spite of financial hardship at the start of the season. He must have thought he'd won!
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A perfect example of how the EPL & EFL allow supposedly fit and proper persons to buy and run football clubs, run them almost into the ground like our previous chancer did and when someone comes along and restructures with real resources and funding behind them, certain Chairmen, the EPL & EFL call foul & that's not fair.
I'd say they both (EPL & EFL) need to get their acts in order before pots start calling kettles black.
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A perfect example of how the EPL & EFL allow supposedly fit and proper persons to buy and run football clubs, run them almost into the ground like our previous chancer did and when someone comes along and restructures with real resources and funding behind them, certain Chairmen, the EPL & EFL call foul & that's not fair.
I'd say they both (EPL & EFL) need to get their acts in order before pots start calling kettles black.
Add to that the fact that by passing any fit and proper test they allowed:
Shinawatra - Corrupt to hell and now living in exile to own Man City
Man United - to operate whilst in debt to an estimated Billion $'s to the Galziers
Arsenal to have "Visit Rwanda" as a sponsor - they were a country were Genocide was taking place not so long ago
That bat shit crazy Tan to take over at Cardiff
A certain hairdresser who now site in a Hong Kong jail for money laundering whilst alleged involvement with Triad gangs.
And they are concerned about us - FFS
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
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It just won’t fucking go away, will it?
It seems that way. We’re just a big club trying to reestablish ourselves. What’s the problem EPL,EFL?
The problem is jealous twats like Steve Gibson who are all too aware that they are cash poor compared to other club owners so they are banging on about overspending and how good they are at being compliant in an effort to hide the fact that they can't compete in the transfer market. Effectively small man syndrome, but he obviously won't give up, and so long as people listen to him (the press, the league, whoever), the issue won't go away.
We're a perfect test case for him because we beat them in the Playoffs last year and went up this year in spite of financial hardship at the start of the season. He must have thought he'd won!
I’m sorry but any man criticising others for the money they're spend then employing Tiny Penis to manage his football team deserves everything he gets.
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Pictures on twitter today from a guy showing and commenting that North stand having exterior makeover , new grey cladding and some claret effect outline.
I know all the shop and ticket office and academy are getting demolished but don’t understand why they are being flattened for car parking temporarily . Why not re building straight away ?
Seems strange throwing money at north stand too .
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Didn't see that. But did see that Gobbie Cabby bluenose questioning the moonlanding:
@gabbiecabbie
5h5 hours ago
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If Appollo 11 was travelling at 25 000 mph how come it took 4 days given the Moon is 252,000 miles away. Did they stop off at the services
50 years ago Nixon got signal to talk to the Astronauts on the Moon. I can't get a signal to talk to my Mrs when I'm in Solihul
That sort of thing.
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
I think what he meant is that a country trying to rebuild itself possibly shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as out-and-out crooks.
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
I think what he meant is that a country trying to rebuild itself possibly shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as out-and-out crooks.
There’s limited stuff I can say publically, but it’s not out of place in this list (for that reason at least) I’m very sorry to say.
eg https://www.channel4.com/news/rwandan-man-warned-about-threat-to-his-life
Is real/current , I can share more in DMs.
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This is a bizarre thing to obsess about. Trying to bring in money and investment to a recently wartorn country does not equate to support for genocide.
I'm pretty sure the Egyptian and American governments are no strangers to nefarious activities.
I'm more than happy to slag off those self-entitled, can't-be-arsed-to-stay-till-the-end-of-a-cup-final bourgeois twats Arsenal, but they've done nothing wrong here.
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Pictures on twitter today from a guy showing and commenting that North stand having exterior makeover , new grey cladding and some claret effect outline.
I know all the shop and ticket office and academy are getting demolished but don’t understand why they are being flattened for car parking temporarily . Why not re building straight away ?
Seems strange throwing money at north stand too .
Villa Park is getting a multi million quid makeover this summer and I dont think the shop will be bull dozed either.
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I wonder what it will look like after this makeover. If we survive in the PL this season then #AnnounceTheNewNorthStand
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#Announcebonoassassination
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What are they doing to the ground then?
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What are they doing to the ground then?
See my message on previous page
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What the multi million ££ make over CL is referring too?
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So it’s just giving the North Stand exterior a facelift or is there more going on? If the Villa shop and ticket office are being knocked down then will there be temporary replacements or online only?
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What are they doing to the ground then?
See my message on previous page
Do you have the link to the tweet?
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I've seen this pic online
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_7JwNpXoAA2zTA.jpg)
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Thanks PWS.
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When I went to the shop last week the dirty grey bits of concrete looked like they had been acid jet washed rather than cladding - although I could be wrong
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
My point was not about Rwanda exactly or specific atrocities but more the fact that a Premiership football team is sponsored by a country that once implemented Genocide on some of its population.
Although it is reverse advertising the Paddy Power push at the moment (mainly to get rid of all the OTHER betting sponsors) has some merit if it does actually get far east betting sites removed.
I long for the days of honest sponsors like
Photocopiers
Yoghurt suppliers
Beer providers
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We should be sponsored by Cadbury. Absolutely massive company worldwide. Get it done Wes/Nassef.
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
My point was not about Rwanda exactly or specific atrocities but more the fact that a Premiership football team is sponsored by a country that once implemented Genocide on some of its population.
Although it is reverse advertising the Paddy Power push at the moment (mainly to get rid of all the OTHER betting sponsors) has some merit if it does actually get far east betting sites removed.
I long for the days of honest sponsors like
Photocopiers
Yoghurt suppliers
Beer providers
I don't really see how breweries are much more reputable than bookies if we are talking about acceptable shirt sponsors.
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We should be sponsored by Cadbury. Absolutely massive company worldwide. Get it done Wes/Nassef.
For the people that actually work there it's probably best we leave Cadbury well alone.
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
My point was not about Rwanda exactly or specific atrocities but more the fact that a Premiership football team is sponsored by a country that once implemented Genocide on some of its population.
Although it is reverse advertising the Paddy Power push at the moment (mainly to get rid of all the OTHER betting sponsors) has some merit if it does actually get far east betting sites removed.
I long for the days of honest sponsors like
Photocopiers
Yoghurt suppliers
Beer providers
I don't really see how breweries are much more reputable than bookies if we are talking about acceptable shirt sponsors.
Then I suppose no Yoghurt for the lactose intolerant :)
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The Rwandan genocide was 25 years ago and is totally different to many of the other examples you've cited.
In what sense different Ger, as in significantly worse? 25yrs ago but absolutely current very very difficult repercussions, which are not all hidden from the public eye.
I think what he meant is that a country trying to rebuild itself possibly shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as out-and-out crooks.
There’s limited stuff I can say publically, but it’s not out of place in this list (for that reason at least) I’m very sorry to say.
eg https://www.channel4.com/news/rwandan-man-warned-about-threat-to-his-life
Is real/current , I can share more in DMs.
Now I’m safely back from East Africa, I can now mention this high profile killing in a police cell. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/02/20/rwanda-ensure-justice-over-kizito-mihigo-death
Not apologising for digging this one up, I’m still appalled by the sportswashing of this regime using Arsenal & now also PSG.
https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/visit-rwanda-signs-major-psg-sponsorship-rivals-existing-arsenal-deal/