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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on June 06, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
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Fill them in as they arrive
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. **Jota** Assumed
12. Jed Steer
13.
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22. Was Anwar El Ghazi
23. Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
I know early days but a lot of work to be done and will be interesting how this starts to fill up
So far
14 out
1 in
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Ørjan Nyland
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Ørjan Nyland
Modified - thanks
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Tammy Abraham
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Jota would take 23 I assume
Wore it at SHA and Brentford
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Bloody hell. When you look at that list of players left! I know that hopefully Hause, El Ghazi and Mings will be added to it but does show we've got a fair bit of work to do.
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Fill them in as they arrive
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. **Jota** Assumed
12. Jed Steer
13.
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22. Was Anwar El Ghazi
23. Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
I know early days but a lot of work to be done and will be interesting how this starts to fill up
So far
14 out
1 in
Guilbert to add.
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That's a lot of gaps, and some of those listed players won't be seeing much first team action. Work to do.
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Looking at it this way makes you realise just how big a job recruitment is this year.
I would assume there maybe another couple of leavers (as I don't think they are good enough for the prem)
Bjarnason
Lansbury
Hogan
With a few of the younger players going on loans
Davis
Green
Bree
Actually even with every previous loanees joining full time we would be well short
We may end up having to do a Fulham - But hopefully not with the same outcome
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Pencil Guilbert in at 2
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Looking at it this way makes you realise just how big a job recruitment is this year.
I would assume there maybe another couple of leavers (as I don't think they are good enough for the prem)
Bjarnason
Lansbury
Hogan
With a few of the younger players going on loans
Davis
Green
Bree
Actually even with every previous loanees joining full time we would be well short
We may end up having to do a Fulham - But hopefully not with the same outcome
Yes, however hard you try, you can't make anything like a Premiership team out of that left hand column. I'm sure Dean and Purslow have spotted that too.
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If the season started tomorrow our strongest possible 11 right now would be:
1. Steer
2. Guilbert
3. Taylor
4. Hause (assuming it goes through without a hitch in the next day or 2)
5. Chester
6. Hourihane
7. McGinn
8. Grealish
9. Kodjia
10. Jota
11. Green
I think we would all agree that team would be heading straight back down barring miracles. The thought of that defense up against the top 6 and even the 7-14 clubs is not a pleasant one.
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Chester will be playing on one leg.
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Fill them in as they arrive
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. **Jota** Assumed
12. Jed Steer
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14. Conor Hourihane
15. Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22 Anwar El Ghazi
23. Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
I know early days but a lot of work to be done and will be interesting how this starts to fill up
So far
14 out
2 in
Updated
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Not adding Guilbert? No2!
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Fill them in as they arrive
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Guilbert Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. **Jota** Assumed
12. Jed Steer
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14. Conor Hourihane
15. Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22 Anwar El Ghazi
23. Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
I know early days but a lot of work to be done and will be interesting how this starts to fill up
So far
14 out
3 in
Updated
Updated
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Once Tyrone Mings joins El Ghazi on the left hand column we'll feel better. Hopefully Hause as well. Add Gary Cahill (if we get him) that's central defense sorted.
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Looking on the official list we have No 36 Callum O'Hare
and No 41 Jacob Ramsey!!
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Presuming the announcement of Hause will be imminent;
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Frederic Guilbert Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Kortney Hause Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. Anwar El Ghazi
12. Jed Steer
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14. Conor Hourihane
15. Aaron Tshibola Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22. Was Anwar El Ghazi
23. Jota Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
32.
33. Matija Sarkic
34.
35.
36. Callum O’Hare
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
41. Jacob Ramsey
So far
14 out (including 5 loans sent home).
4 in (and don’t forget our returning loanees).
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Maybe Anwar will choose one of the vacant numbers. I see he has a 7 on his Twitter account but I presum SJM will keep that.
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In the old days I had a soft spot for 7, 10 and 17... what’s the link? Obviously, 7 and 10 are big again so over to you, Keinan.
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Presuming the announcement of Hause will be imminent;
1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Frederic Guilbert Was Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Was Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Kortney Hause Was Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
11. Anwar El Ghazi
12. Jed Steer
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14. Conor Hourihane
15. Aaron Tshibola Was Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
18. Wesley Assumed Was Tammy Abrahams
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Was Alan Hutton
22. Was Anwar El Ghazi
23. Jota Was Andre Moreira
24. Was Tommy Elphick
25. Was Gary Gardner
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
30. Was Kortney Hause
31. Was Mark Bunn
32.
33. Matija Sarkic
34.
35.
36. Callum O’Hare
37. Was Albert Adomah
38.
39.
40. Was Tyrone Mings
41. Jacob Ramsey
So far
14 out (including 5 loans sent home).
5 in (and don’t forget our returning loanees).
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Get Hogan off that number 9 shirt and give it to Wesley!!
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isn't the squad limit for the PL 25, with something like a max of 17 foreign players and an U21 quota too?
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isn't the squad limit for the PL 25, with something like a max of 17 foreign players and an U21 quota too?
You name a squad of twenty-five. A maximum of seventeen are allowed to not be "home grown". This means those players not registered to play for England or Wales and who did not spend at least three years in England (or Wales) prior to their 21st birthday. So, for instance, Hourihane counts as Home Grown as he spent his youth career in England. Although a British citizen, McGinn doesn't count as Home Grown as he didn't.
So basically a maximum of 25 players, 8 "foreign".
Exception is that you can name as many under-21 players as you like, regardless of nationality. So Hepburn-Murphy, for instance, could still be chosen and not be part of the 25.
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In short... We will have no problem on the Home Grown front as easily more than seven squad players will be named who fit the criteria.
Once we have completed all our signings it may be slightly more problematic to reduce it to just 25 over-21 players, especially as Davis, Bree and O'Hare are all just over the threshold, but I imagine we will sell or loan out a few and it won't be a huge issue.
We certainly aren't gonna have any multi-million megastars who we can't find space for in the squad.
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A bit of weekend reading for you :)
Of course the summer break isn’t finished yet and other transfers will be made.
Of course it’s a squad game not just the first 11 that matters.
Of course we’re not ‘in the room’ with Smith so don’t know completely what he’s thinking.
Nevertheless here goes;
Once the dust had settled after the promotion game at Wembley we had a squad of 21 including loanees returning, existing transfers coming in and excluding players released but after including all young squad players (in brackets).
GK; Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, (Sarkic)
CB; Chester,
LB; Taylor,
RB; Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM; Tshibola,
CM; McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM; Grealish, Lansbury, (O’Hare)
AL;
AR; (Green)
Striker; Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy).
Everyone knows this was thin and left us with a first 11 of;
Steer
Elmohamady, Guilbert, Chester, Taylor
Hourihane, McGinn, Grealish,
Green, Davis/Hogan, Kodjia
The staunchest fan would admit that investment was needed in at least 5 positions with 2 more debateable. Some would say 8. Two of those first team places were addressed immediately with the swift signings of Hause at centre back (and cover for left back) and El Ghazi (left-sided attack and cover on right side) with a strong squad boost from the Jota transfer swap for Gardner. The purchase of Wesley has filled the first team slot at central striker. Leaving us at the moment with;
Steer
Guilbert, Chester, Hause, Taylor
Hourihane, McGinn, Grealish
Green, Wesley, El Ghazi
At best that only leaves us with 2 first team slots to fill because the incumbents are not good/fit enough for us to start the season with; right-sided attacker and centre back. Of course we’d LIKE an upgrade to left back or possibly goalkeeper which would leave us with a stronger first team and stronger squad. So who’s next on the shipping-list?
Centre back; Mings, Barbet, Cahill, Dunk, Kane, Tomori, other
Surely the Mings deal will get done? It’s likely. I’d personally take Tomori if we didn’t get Mings but either way Barbet as backup would be a smart move IMO as well. Cahill or Dunk would be too expensive, surely? Not too many worries here that the team will not be strong enough come the season start.
Right-sided attack; Benrhama, Lolley, Bale (with a cheeky switch of El Ghazi to right-side?), other?
Here’s the point I want to make about the ‘wingers’ on either side; I think Smith may be taking a leaf out of Klopps book and trying to build a system in which they are not ONLY wingers but are goal-scoring attackers in their own right. El Ghazi is, Benrhama is, Lolley might be. He may be looking for these players to contribute 10 goals a season each alongside a big strong hold-up playing centre forward who scores 12 to 15 and the midfield chip in with 6 each. A genuine goal threat from the front 6 players throughout the game from open play and set pieces.
Seen in this light an audacious offer to bring Bale back from his gilded Spanish torture by some financial shenanigans like Wolves played 2 years ago would make a whole lot of sense, wouldn’t it? And we’d score a bucket-full of goals to keep us up. Either way this is an important piece of the puzzle missing at the moment.
The other possibilities are ‘nice to have’ as far as I’m concerned and depend on the inside perception of risk-taking regarding the money. We don’t have that information of course.
Left back; Targett, James, someone else.
Goalie; Butland, Etheridge, ?
If any or all of those 4 position purchases get done what does that say about the other members of the squad? Lansbury, Bjarnason, Kalinic, Nyland, Tshibola, Davis, Hogan and the 5 squad players; Sarkic, Bree, O’Hare, Green and Hepburn-Murphy? Some might be used as components of the transfers we want if they fit. And the youngsters can look forward to a season-long loan to give them one last chance to impress the new academy team and Smith. A couple may be retained for cover or be too difficult to sell but some will be sold I expect.
We expected lots of movement this summer transfer window and won’t be disappointed but the success of it all will lie with Smith and his coaches welding the new first team into a coherent unit by the start of the season. Can he do it?
(https://i.ibb.co/HN5zpRz/av01.png) (https://ibb.co/HN5zpRz)
That’s a team that could, if gelled and working well, give problems to every team in the division and more than cope with the task of staying up.
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Did I imagine us signing Jota? ;)
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Is there any reason this couldn't have gone on the transfers thread or the squad by numbers one?
Moving
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That first eleven is good. The second eleven is utter dross.
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Is there any reason this couldn't have gone on the transfers thread or the squad by numbers one?
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No problem. Your job to do this. Understood. I'd have put it on the transfer thread myself to start with if I'd thought about it. Apologies.
But why did you decide to hide it away on the thread furthest away from the issues I discussed, please? Just wondering. Thanks.
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I thought it was interesting that the numbers used against Minnesota were fairly accurate (especially Mings in 40 and Hause in 30) so perhaps we have a good idea of the numbers that the new boys have taken. Based on last night they will be wearing:
Konsa - 29
Targett - 18
Wesley - 15
Jota - 23
Guilbert - 24
El Ghazi - 21(moved from 22).
Obviously this may not be accurate and I have absolutely no evidence to support my argument but I just find it interesting that most players were issued their 'proper' numbers, as opposed to last pre-season where I think Adomah or Davis wore 11 for one game and a few youth players wore lower numbers (if my memory serves me correctly).
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I'm going to find it really annoying if we don't issue number 2 to a Right Back, 9 to a Centre Forward etc.
But then I'm a grumpy old man.
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Where are they then?
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When are the squad numbers being announced? Unless I've missed them.
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Game tomorrow and yet to see official numbers - a bit strange?
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They're out. Someone just whatsapped them across to me. Heaton 1, Wes 9.
2 and 4 left vacant.
Marvelous 11.
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Pravda says:
Aston Villa can confirm squad numbers for the upcoming 2019/20 Premier League campaign.
There are a few changes for players contracted with us last season, while our 12 new signings have received their numbers.
Notable ones include Tom Heaton taking number one, Douglas Luiz number six, Wesley number nine and Trezeguet 17.
Elsewhere, Anwar El Ghazi switches from 22 to 21.
See the full list below.
1. Tom Heaton
3. Neil Taylor
5. James Chester
6. Douglas Luiz
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Wesley
10. Jack Grealish
11. Marvelous Nakamba
12. Jed Steer
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Ezri Konsa
17. Trezeguet
18. Matt Targett
21. Anwar El Ghazi
22. Björn Engels
23. Jota
24. Frederic Guilbert
25. Ørjan Nyland
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
28. Lovre Kalinic
30. Kortney Hause
33. Callum O'Hare
39. Keinan Davis
40. Tyrone Mings
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I like that Wesley is number 9. Did Cropley and Bremner both wear seven or have I made that up?
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They're out. Someone just whatsapped them across to me. Heaton 1, Wes 9.
2 and 4 left vacant.
Marvelous 11.
I think marvelous 18 - including the bench
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Team meeting
"Right, who wants the 2, that's up for grabs?"
Guilbert, "I'll have it"
"Okay, sorted, right back, makes sense. Neil, 3, yeah?"
Taylor nods.
"Number 4, any takers?"
Guilbert looks round. "Go on, I'll have that too"
*sighs* "Okay, from now onwards, it's one each, understood?"
That's exactly what happened.
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4 goalkeeper in a squad of 26?
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Marvelous, Fred and Mings are big culprits here
Guilbert 2, Mings 4, Trez 11 would have made much more sense
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I like that Wesley is number 9. Did Cropley and Bremner both wear seven or have I made that up?
Alex was 10 wasn’t he?
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I bet Callum O'Hare is buzzing with his number.
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No Lansbury or O'Hare on the list
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Lansbury 8
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No Lansbury or O'Hare on the list
They're 8 and 33