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Title: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 05, 2019, 01:01:56 AM
Deserves its own thread.

The winners seem likely to be either hosts France, Germany, America or, maybe, England. The latter seem to have a better chance of winning it than ever before with the increasing professionalism of the domestic game.

Hopefully Scotland can sneak through as one of the best third place teams or, less likely, group runners-up. Pretty tough with England and Japan in the group but they should beat Argentina and that might be enough if results go their way...

I've never been massively impressed by Marta despite the fact that she seems to win World Player of the Year all the time. Hopefully she will show what's she made of on the biggest stage.

Also hoping that an African team can make an impact, for a change, and will have a soft spot for the Reggae Girlz on their debut.

Oh, and assume the yellow vests won't be disrupting the tournament? Haven't noticed them in the news so much lately.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 05, 2019, 01:18:11 AM
I’ve never bought an England kit but was thinking the bespoke claret away kit looks good.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Axl Rose on June 05, 2019, 06:04:11 AM
The Japanese women's national team are heroes here, and have traditionally been far more successful than their male counterparts. It's a tough group for both Scotland and England. One of them will go out, I reckon.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 05, 2019, 07:10:26 AM
All three could go through, as four of the six third place teams will progress. Can see a lot of the African teams getting thrashed in the other groups so Scotland may need a point from England or Japan or to hammer Argentina to progress.

England will qualify easily enough, I reckon.
Title: Women's World Cup
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 07, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
In France, starts today at 8pm.

24 teams, including England and Scotland in the same group.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
Yes, I know. That's why I already started a thread.

Bloody siblings.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: Davkaus on June 07, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
I find it vaguely amusing how much the media are trying to push this as a big event, when hardly anybody gives a toss about it.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 11:40:34 AM
Which is clearly untrue.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 11:43:57 AM
Quite.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 07, 2019, 11:48:12 AM
yes support it ,  I love football
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 12:10:42 PM
Bumping this. Can a mod merge with the one Our Nobhead started please.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: Nev on June 07, 2019, 01:36:46 PM
When's the Men's World Cup, that's what I want to know!!!!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 02:15:47 PM
You should Tweet Richard Herring and ask him.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 07, 2019, 03:03:35 PM
I find it vaguely amusing how much the media are trying to push this as a big event, when hardly anybody gives a toss about it.

Codswallop.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
It is indeed. Estimated viewing figures: one billion.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 07, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
No Villa players in it are there? I notice that Scotland and England both have a Blues player in their squads.

Scotland have a Barcelona player as well - that hasn't happened since Steve Archibald was brung to the Nou Camp by El Tel to replace Maradona
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2019, 03:49:34 PM
I'm guessing that Steve Archibald must be the last ex-Clyde player at a World Cup, too.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: themossman on June 07, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
I find it vaguely amusing how much the media are trying to push this as a big event, when hardly anybody gives a toss about it.

Trolling incel bollocks.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 08:12:15 PM
France looking good but Korea are proper shite.

France score. 1-0...could be a lot more by the end.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 08:16:55 PM
Was just going to post the same thing.  It's a proper mismatch so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 07, 2019, 08:19:43 PM
France spoiling the World Cup for everyone
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2019, 08:25:50 PM
Football is poor but may be I need to watch more and view it differently from men’s game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 08:29:29 PM
...and there’s the second for France. 2-0.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 08:30:29 PM
Football is poor but may be I need to watch more and view it differently from men’s game.
There was one S Korean corner earlier which floated gently into the side netting.  But then, when you think of the umpteen howlers England committed last night it's unfair to point the finger at the women's game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 08:33:21 PM
WTF?! Goal disallowed by VAR for offside which looked clearly onside...again it’s based on a toe. The offside rules under VAR are going to need to be updated otherwise the game is going to be ruined under VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 08:34:13 PM
Why?  It was offside.  Correct decision.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 08:40:15 PM
Correct decision under the letter of the law but when players are basically level and goals are being disallowed on inches of their limbs then the laws need to be adapted to align with the advances in technology.

Edit: 2-0 France now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
There's always going to have to be a line somewhere though.  Inevitably sometimes it's going to be extremely tight but you can't just have a grey area.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
It's any part of the body that can legally score a goal, so it doesn't matter how tiny a margin, offside is offside and the correct decision is being made under the laws of the game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
Alex Scott is great.  She's like a reward for all those years of Lawro.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 09:14:35 PM
There's always going to have to be a line somewhere though.  Inevitably sometimes it's going to be extremely tight but you can't just have a grey area.
True. The game has suffered from too many grey areas for years now so can’t really complain now VAR is clearing some of them up.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 09:45:42 PM
Cracking fourth for France. 4-0.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Some fine goals but it just wasn't a contest and so not very entertaining.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 08, 2019, 02:16:23 PM
Bloody hell, pull the trigger!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 08, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Bit or a mismatch again. Think they’ll regret not putting that away.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
Nice to see Germany being so hapless at the back.
Title: Re: Women's World Cup
Post by: Damo70 on June 08, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
When's the Men's World Cup, that's what I want to know!!!!

What about the transgender world cup?

I haven't taken any notice of the womens world cup up to now but today I will be reading all about it in the latest FourFourTwo magazine and instantly becoming an expert on all of the teams in the tournament. I will also be watching the England v Scotland game tomorrow. I will also probably have a few bets on the tournament at some point.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 08:38:34 PM
The three European sides have been far superior to the Asian and African teams so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 09, 2019, 05:13:12 PM
Seems like an incredibly harsh penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2019, 05:14:59 PM
Under the new rules that's a pen. Gonna be so many penalties next season.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 09, 2019, 05:22:22 PM
Yeah I think you’re right. Some defenders are going to have to completely rethink their technique, the silhouette thing still seems crazy to me but I suppose the rules are clearer.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 05:25:39 PM
I thought that was a good call actually.  Her arm was at full stretch and blocked the ball.  You can't have that.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2019, 05:26:07 PM
Everyone will be doing the Luna! Which isn't a natural way to defend.

And this could be a pasting for Scotland.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2019, 05:31:04 PM
Seems like an incredibly harsh penalty.
But as it was against Scotland it's totally justified.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 09, 2019, 05:34:17 PM
I've got tickets for England Argentina on Friday. Judging by the crowd, in Nice (which has a fairly chunky British population), we may well have the stadium (ground) to ourselves in Le Havre...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 05:36:24 PM
The Scotland women's team is much like the men's: workmanlike, dull and basically a bit shit.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2019, 05:37:19 PM
Scotland is dull and basically a bit shit.

Agreed.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
*waves at CD*  :-*
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
Scotland is dull and basically a bit shit.

Agreed.
I never said them things.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
England ladies emulating the England mens team.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 09, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
Can we please stop saying opposition teams are shit? Look what happens!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 09, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
Not comfortable. Decent game though.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 06:59:19 PM
England teams never seem to go for the jugular and finish teams off do they?  We always seem to end up hanging on.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
I had England to beat Scotland 3-1. I can now add losing at betting on women's football to my CV.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 10, 2019, 09:03:00 PM
Is it just me or has the standard of football generally been piss poor so far? I thought the woman’s game had progressed but it seems to be much worse than the last World Cup.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 11, 2019, 05:45:01 AM
I really want to like it, and have tickets to the England game on Friday, so that my daughter might get into football more easily and also so I don't feel like a terrible misogynist when forced to confront the obvious truth that the standard is absolute pish.

The matches so far have reminded me of schoolboy internationals, half-empty stadiums, mostly filled by schoolkids / family, and with only maybe 2-3 players on the park capable of anything of interest, just much more slowly than you are used to seeing. I desperately hope the game on Friday is different, but don't expect so. Though I think it will be a lot better at the QF / SF stages.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2019, 08:36:03 PM
Watching USA v Thailand. Total mismatch USA leading 3-0 after half an hour.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 11, 2019, 08:38:37 PM
The USA team are brilliant though aren't they
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
Yep USA are so good. Struggling to think of a bigger mismatch than this game in recent memory.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 08:49:54 PM
How the hell was that not a penalty?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
USA 7-0 up after 56 minutes.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
Will somebody stop this now it's cruel. 7-0 55 mins gone
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 09:14:53 PM
They’re just so much better than anyone else, including us sadly.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:31:32 PM
8-0 now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 09:31:53 PM
Nah they’re shit, haven’t scored for at least 10 minutes.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:36:43 PM
Nine now, after Thailand briefly had the ball at the other end of the pitch.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:38:08 PM
Double figures now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 09:39:32 PM
Jesus. 11-0 is the all time record.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:41:52 PM
11-0 now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 11, 2019, 09:44:43 PM
This is getting repetitive. 12-0 now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
13 now
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
Take that USA.  Nobody beats Thailand 14-0.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
No consolation goal.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2019, 09:56:58 PM
The USA girls were obviously far superior than their opposition tonight  but they are technically very good, very athletic and superbly coached. They will win it again. Looking forward to watching them again in the later stages especially against Norway and France if they meet.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 11, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
So far France looked like only team that’d give them a game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 12, 2019, 01:20:47 AM
I think and England vs USA matchup in the semis is on the cards.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: CT Villan on June 12, 2019, 01:43:21 AM
The USWNT are excellent, both physically and technically...and Alex, Kelley and Christine are very easy on the eye.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 12, 2019, 04:17:02 AM
Tobin Heath is underrated.  Others get the headlines, she puts in a shift and has some good skills.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 12, 2019, 09:27:59 AM
The divide between the haves and have nots seems to be far greater in ladies football. Can't think of a single poor country that are any good.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 12, 2019, 12:12:25 PM
Also the US team seem be getting a bit of stick for "running up a score", with a few saying they should have eased up as thrashing teams is considered poor sportsmanship in American sporting culture.

I think they're right to do it, though. Intimidate future opponents.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bad English on June 12, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
Have you seen the latest 'Charlie Hebdo' cover, dedicated to the Women's World Cup?

I retweeted it with a literal translation:
https://twitter.com/BadEnglish_/status/1138768629980438529?s=19

It is probably NSFW.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 12, 2019, 12:39:26 PM
Also the US team seem be getting a bit of stick for "running up a score", with a few saying they should have eased up as thrashing teams is considered poor sportsmanship in American sporting culture.

I think they're right to do it, though. Intimidate future opponents.

I have no problem with the scoreline, I am not so sure about the level of celebration for goals 8 and above.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 12, 2019, 02:03:36 PM
I like running up the scoreline when it is between rivals, or teams of a similar level of which one is inexplicably having an off day. I like to think it serves to check say, Arsenal fans egos, when their team gets humped 6-0 by Manchester City (annoyingly referred to by French commentators as simply 'City', despite the fact they've been succesful for about 20 minutes). That would also intimidate future opponents.

However, the best women's team in the world humping a team of amateurs in only their second World Cup isn't really impressive, especially given the apparent ecstatic celebrations for even the later goals. Hopefully the increasing professionalisation of the women's game will eradicate such things in the future, as they largely have in the men's game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Monty on June 12, 2019, 02:11:42 PM
It did have a bit of the 'medal of honour for flattening a small South Asian fishing village' feel to it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: mallo on June 12, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
I don't mind the scoreline - I think the keeper could have got to a couple of those. They won't get given the freedom of the park against others but they look like finalists.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 12, 2019, 05:59:19 PM
I really want to like it, and have tickets to the England game on Friday, so that my daughter might get into football more easily and also so I don't feel like a terrible misogynist when forced to confront the obvious truth that the standard is absolute pish.

The matches so far have reminded me of schoolboy internationals, half-empty stadiums, mostly filled by schoolkids / family, and with only maybe 2-3 players on the park capable of anything of interest, just much more slowly than you are used to seeing. I desperately hope the game on Friday is different, but don't expect so. Though I think it will be a lot better at the QF / SF stages.

I was just about to write pretty much the same thing. It is like watching kids football. The pitch just looks far too big for them. I wanted to get into it and enjoy the games, but it's just not for me unfortunately. Hope we do well though.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 12, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
Germany - Spain has been a pretty good game. Ze Germans don't seem all that. Would appear to be between the US and France so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 12, 2019, 06:54:37 PM
I think France and America meet in the Quarters if they both top their groups and get through. That could be better than the actual final.

Fancy Germany and England to show a bit more than they have so far and be competitive, too.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 12, 2019, 08:17:25 PM
The divide between the haves and have nots seems to be far greater in ladies football. Can't think of a single poor country that are any good.

I think it is relative. I recall the daughter of some friends of my parents who moved to the states playing football when she was a kid whilst no girls I knew were playing football in England at school or anywhere else. So many countries are way behind the USA when it comes to female football. Also, given how far behind African countries were at football until more recent times I would imagine their women footballers are now laying catch u with the rest of the world as their male counterparts had to in the eighties and nineties.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 12, 2019, 08:38:21 PM
Hope they catch up, as you say. I wonder if there may be cultural elements to some countries not bothering too much about encouraging female sport. Not sure, but the present discrepancy between "Economic North" and "South" countries is striking.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 12, 2019, 09:30:58 PM
VAR is truly awful. Refs are just giving peno after peno for nothing, and it has just happened again in the France-Norway game. French player jumps in two-footed. Norwegian player swipes at ball and catches French player after the ball. Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.

It can't go away fast enough, also lot meast because I'm already sick of seeing players make the little telly sign with their hands to the ref.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 12, 2019, 09:34:58 PM
Another absolutely shite decision courtesy of VAR. It's going to ruin the game this. It certainly doesn't enhance it if that's deemed a penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 12, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
VAR is truly awful. Refs are just giving peno after peno for nothing, and it has just happened again in the France-Norway game. French player jumps in two-footed. Norwegian player swipes at ball and catches French player after the ball. Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.

I agree, it looked to me as if the Norwegian player was completely disconcerted by what was a two footed tackle on her.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 12, 2019, 09:44:36 PM
Why slow it down? Everything looks like a foul if you slow it down. Fwiw, I thought the Norwegian player's foot bounced up off the top of the ball.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 12, 2019, 10:02:23 PM
It doesn't matter how many camera angles you have, how much you slow it down, how many people are in front of a bank of screens or how many times they watch the replay, if the referee is hopeless they'll reach the wrong decision. Ultimately it's still down to human interpretation and that's why VAR will never improve consistency. All that technology and time and you still get decisions Phil Dowd would make. What's the point?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 12, 2019, 10:03:47 PM
Unfortunately I agree. We’re going to be debating and moaning about VAR decisions instead of refs now. As I’ve said before, if you implement technology improvements in the game then the rules must be updated to accommodate these changes (ie new technology and old rules are not compatible).
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 13, 2019, 07:10:56 AM
Attempting to turn Football into an exact science is doomed to failure, VAR might give you a technically correct decision (at times) but strips all the emotion out of the game.

If I were a striker I would stand stock still after a goal, refuse to celebrate and wait for any VAR review before electing to even raise a hand in acknowledgement. It would look petulant, silly and ridiculous but it would hammer the point home.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 13, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
That decision was diabolical.  How the ref/VAR gave it showed what a clueless bunch they are. I watched it in the pub and everyone to a man (no women watching) called it as a foul and a booking for the two footed challenge.

Overall it was quite a high quality game as some of the other games so far I've seen have been pretty dull with only glimpses of quality. I'm looking forward to the Knockers out stage now. Is that a bit non PC?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 13, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
Just like in mens football the old 'ball to hand' phrase doesn't seem to count for anything any more. You can have a ball blasted at your arm from point blank range these days and there is still a decent chance of the ref awarding a penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 13, 2019, 05:57:33 PM
I'm looking forward to the Knockers out stage now. Is that a bit non PC?

Possibly yes,
Made me chuckle? Definitely yes
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 13, 2019, 06:16:49 PM
Looks like Brazil have Leedsed this.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2019, 06:28:07 PM
Fucking kidding. If that is not offside, then what the hell is?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 13, 2019, 06:29:46 PM
Why was that 3rd Australian goal not disallowed, for offside?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 13, 2019, 06:32:15 PM
Interesting question. I'm watching the US coverage and the commentators seemed to believe that the Aussie in the offside position was impacting the play and thus it should be disallowed. Their "rules analyst" over-ruled and said the goal would stand (as it did), as the Aussie striker was not impacting the Brazilian at the time she went to play the ball.

That said, I'm glad Brazil are losing. For some reason, I really don't like them, either the men's or women's teams. Probably due to the "joga bonita" BS, when they've not had a truly interesting team since 2002, and also their affiliation with Nike which I, perhaps unreasonably, blame for 'ruining' fat Ronaldo, who was on course to be the most astonishing player ever.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
Is VAR then encouraging defenders to stand there with their arms raised like a George Graham Arsenal back four, because moving towards the ball plays an offside player on? If the defender doesn't get that header, it's offside.

I hope they do get another decent goal, they've been the better side. It'll be a shit, confusing way to win if it stays like this.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2019, 08:12:59 PM
Only saw a quick glimpse of it on SSN, but didn't the Brazilian defender head the ball and score an own goal without the Aussie forward challenging for the ball or touching it? If so, then I'm not sure how there is any confusion over whether its offside or not. I need a proper look at it tbh.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
What channels are showing these games? Are all the games not being televised?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2019, 08:37:29 PM
They're all being shown somewhere across the beeb. 1(?)/2/4/red button/online. Red button for the game on now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 13, 2019, 08:42:30 PM
BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Four or BBC Red Button for each game.

Red Button is Sky 981 if you wanna just watch it on a telly channel.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2019, 08:59:37 PM
Cheers gents 👍
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 13, 2019, 09:06:02 PM
Only saw a quick glimpse of it on SSN, but didn't the Brazilian defender head the ball and score an own goal without the Aussie forward challenging for the ball or touching it? If so, then I'm not sure how there is any confusion over whether its offside or not. I need a proper look at it tbh.

The issue was that the Aussie striker was clearly offside when the ball came in but the Brazilian defender couldn't have known that. She just knew the striker was behind her, so naturally she jumped to win the header but glanced it past her own keeper. Even though the striker didn't challenge or touch it, it was her presence that forced the defender to play the ball in the first place. By the letter of the law the striker was offside when the ball was played. But also by the letter of the law it went in off the opponent so can't be offside. I think that's the upshot of it all. Yet again VAR did nothing but cause a five minute delay, after which the debate continues. It's farcical.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: SteveN on June 13, 2019, 09:11:45 PM
For me VAR is sucking the joy out of football.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 14, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
Poor old Scotland 2-0 down already. I can see them getting a spanking here.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Turned it off. Weren't too bad early on but as soon as Japan scored Scotland have gone to pieces.

I suppose I'll have to do some bloody work, instead. 🙁
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2019, 03:38:00 PM
Scotland have come into during the last ten minutes or so.  Started to outmuscle the Japanese. Scots have just hit the post but should have scored.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2019, 03:43:14 PM
Scotland denied a clear penalty for handball.  VAR, why?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2019, 03:45:39 PM
Scotland score, 2-1.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 03:55:33 PM
If they can beat Argentina they could still get through. Can see them winning and missing out on being one of the best third place teams on goal difference.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 14, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
Another interesting VAR decision in the first 10 minutes of the Italy - Jamaica game. Penalty denied by ref, corrected by VAR. Penalty saved by the Jamaican goalie, but then ordered to be retaken as she had strayed maybe 50 cm off her line before the kick was taken. If this is how penalties are going to be now, then every single one everywhere is going to have to be retaken, perhaps multiple times, as goalies routinely charge well off their line. Be interesting to see if they'll punish the "big boys" with this one in the CL / PL etc..., or whether they bottle it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 14, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
Not at all sure that was a penalty. It looked a perfectly clean tackle on the TV replay - I presume VAR provided the ref with another angle that we didn't see.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 14, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Looked pretty obvious on the VAR replays they showed on my feed. Didn't touch the ball, seemed to make contact with the attacker's standing leg / foot.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 14, 2019, 05:29:49 PM
Please, please, get rid of this VAR bollocks. I don't want to be sat in the pub after games chatting about VAR decisions. Football's a game, which will include mistakes both by players and officials, it's not a science or computer programme. Leave the bloody game alone!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 14, 2019, 05:38:28 PM
Looked pretty obvious on the VAR replays they showed on my feed. Didn't touch the ball, seemed to make contact with the attacker's standing leg / foot.

Fair enough, presumably the ref saw that angle too. It was far from an obvious penalty from the replay I saw.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 08:42:40 PM
England all over Argentina but fluffing their lines.  Missed pen.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2019, 08:46:34 PM
England should be out of sight by now.  In fairness, the Argentina ladies are defending quite well, amateurs against pro's should tell in the second half.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 09:06:54 PM
Mon England FFS.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
The Argentinian goalie is having a stormer.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 14, 2019, 09:18:49 PM
Great goal.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:19:01 PM
Well deserved lead for England.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
Well worked. Good stuff. Hands across Hadrian's Wall xx
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 15, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
I missed the Argie game last night and just caught up with the highlights. Their goalie was brilliant.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 15, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
I missed the Argie game last night and just caught up with the highlights. Their goalie was brilliant.

Yes she was. Although in general when watching women's football I have been quite impressed with the standard of the outfield players but not by the standard of goalkeeping.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 11:35:47 AM
Her and Hope Solo are the best women keepers I've seen. Do think there is a case for making the goals smaller as women are on average smaller.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 15, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
The Scottish goalkeeper committed herself very well yesterday too despite losing.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 03:41:47 PM
Her and Hope Solo are the best women keepers I've seen. Do think there is a case for making the goals smaller as women are on average smaller.

I can't recall who but a former ladies footballer actually made a similar comment about the size of the pitches. I'd be fine with that if it helped improve the overall product. No different to golf really where the ladies don't play from 7700 yards like the men do. The game shouldn't be about embarrassing them. It should be about allowing their talents to shine through and the extra physical requirements makes that hard on the bigger playing surface and goals. Especially later in games and deeper in the tournament when they are tired.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 15, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
The manager/head coach of the Cameroon women's team is the dead spit of that bloke in the often repeated clip of the black guy who turned up for a menial job interview at the BBC and by mistake ended up blagging his way through a live interview on the news. I wonder if once again he has been involved in a case of mistaken identity and turned up to watch the game and was given an accreditation security pass to be on the touchline.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 09:32:12 PM
Great save from the Kiwi keeper. The standard of goalkeeping has been much improved in this competition.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 16, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Thailand get a consolation against Sweden.  Decent finish too, lashed in at the near post.  Keeper didn't move but should have saved it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 03:59:45 PM
Glad they scored, at least have something to look back on now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 16, 2019, 05:44:26 PM
USA are on another level.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 17, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
France 1-0 ahead after retaken penalty. Surprised the Nigerian goalkeeper is only 18, she's good (even though she didn't save the penalty).
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2019, 09:39:48 PM
How was that a penalty?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 17, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
Well, FIFA are going to have to go a long way to convince me that VAR isn't just allowing them to manipulate games.

Penalty initially declined, overturned for the big, hometown team. Defender sent off, to ensure a player advantage for the hosts.
Penalty missed. Reset because goalie was possibly a few inches off her line. Of course, the goalie didn't actually save the penalty, taker hit the post.
Penalty scored.

Can't wait to see what happens when an underdog gets in similar positions...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Gareth on June 17, 2019, 09:42:13 PM
VAR must have a home team setting in this World Cup
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2019, 09:43:14 PM
Well, FIFA are going to have to go a long way to convince me that VAR isn't just allowing them to manipulate games.

Penalty initially declined, overturned for the big, hometown team. Defender sent off, to ensure a player advantage for the hosts.
Penalty missed. Reset because goalie was possibly a few inches off her line. Of course, the goalie didn't actually save the penalty, taker hit the post.
Penalty scored.

Can't wait to see what happens when an underdog gets in similar positions...
Afraid I am starting to think you are right.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2019, 09:47:59 PM
VAR got it right. Goalkeepers and teams generally are going to have to get used to not moving off their line or encroaching.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 17, 2019, 09:52:17 PM
Maybe so, but I honestly believe that if it were Nigeria appealing instead of France :

a) the initial decision of "no penalty" would not have been overturned ; or
b) the first penalty would not have been reset as they would have argued that the taker missed the goal entirely, rather than the keeper saving, or would argue that the distance didn't affect the outcome.

Until I see a "minnow" getting the same treatment, I will be hugely suspicious.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
It makes no odds to France, they are gonna finish top anyway. If it's a conspiracy, it's a fairly pointless one. It may benefit Scotland, who deserve a VAR decision in their favour after the Japanese game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 17, 2019, 09:57:23 PM
Maybe, but it helps maintain enthusiasm amongst the public, and create momentum for the team.

Did Scotland (first ever Women's World Cup) get a dodgy VAR decision against the Japanese (2011 champs and 2015 runners-up and also presumably a massive TV and commercial market) ?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 17, 2019, 11:57:57 PM
Woe betide any goalie who lifts their foot at the wrong moment.

VAR is football destroying, pile of shit.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 19, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
McGinnesque from Georgia Stanway to get the through ball away.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 19, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
England looking pretty sharp against Japan, enjoyable game so far. And the Jockesses have taken the lead against Argentina too. Could be a good evening for British women's football...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 19, 2019, 08:52:08 PM
I have to admit 10 years ago I thought the women's football I saw was laughable but I have watched about 5 of the games so far and not only enjoyed them but cannot believe how much the game and individuals have improved.

Cannot though also think about how fit some of the players are as again previously they all looked so butch.

Fair play to all of them. Really enjoying it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2019, 09:21:55 PM
England v Japan is no classic.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 19, 2019, 09:29:50 PM
The ref just did the strangest thing (as far as my knowledge of the game goes) - got in the way of a Japanese pass, which bounced off the ref's legs to an English player. Ref blows up, awards a drop ball, then appears to shoo the English players away from contesting it. Is that the rule when the ball hits a ref ? I swear I can't ever seeing it managed like that before.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 19, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
It's one of the new rules, drop balls are officially uncontested now.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 19, 2019, 09:35:57 PM
Christ, FIFA really are determined to turn the game to shite.

Back to the England game, safe to say the French commentators aren't particularly impressed. Upon reporting the Argentinian goal, they had an on-air conversation as to whether to wait for a stoppage in play in the England game to cut to the goal and basically said (I'm paraphrasing) "Sod it, there's bugger all happening here, might as well show a goal".
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2019, 09:52:17 PM
It doesn't matter what the gender. Scotland always find a way to fuck it up. 😕
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Des Little on June 19, 2019, 09:53:23 PM
What an utter farce this VAR is. I fear the worst.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 19, 2019, 09:58:19 PM
Yep, it seems to be sacrificing some of its essence on the altar of "getting the right decision is paramount".
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2019, 10:02:55 PM
The players are going to have to adapt.  It's going to be ugly for a while though.  The Scottish keeper didn't look as if she knew what to do on the retake.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2019, 10:43:01 PM
Lack of injury time was the biggest scandal from that. Ref will be sent home for her watch seemingly just running on from 86th minute.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 19, 2019, 10:43:39 PM
VAR Is garbage
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2019, 10:48:56 PM
VAR Is garbage


It was a penalty. Retake was harsh but surely it's the linespeople's job to decide that given they're standing on goalline.

I think the main issue viewing VAR is the standard of replays provided aren't good enough to provide swift decisions. Means you have refs staring at the screen for 2-3 minutes waiting to view a decent angle of the incident.

I thought that from the Liverpool game in the FA cup last season when I assumed the ref would be viewing some great close up and the camera just showed him viewing one from Row F of the upper tier of Liverpool's main stand (which is basically the moon).
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 20, 2019, 06:44:42 AM
It's fucking the game up, but decisions are now correct. That's what people wanted and that's what they are getting.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 20, 2019, 10:46:44 AM
I'm only watching the England games out of patriotism but, by christ, are we really one of the top 3 countries in the world at this!?

I started watching the women's WC about 15 years ago - concentrating on the games involving the top countries such as the USA, Germany, Norway - and, if we are truly one of the very best, the mindset thing I can say is, the fitness my have improved in that time but the standard of football is still as poor.

I'm following the Euro U21 tournament, and the quality is miles ahead! I dread to think what the score would be if the best men's U21 team faced the Women's world champions, even in this day and age of no physical contact what so ever being allowed.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 20, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
Regarding VAR and the new, stricter, rules on penalties, any future shoot outs will be fun! They could go on for hours!!😂
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 20, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
one thing I didnt understand , in the U21 if a penalty is saved , the pen kicker cant touch it again , yet in the womans game , the argie penalty taker did?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 20, 2019, 12:06:13 PM
one thing I didnt understand , in the U21 if a penalty is saved , the pen kicker cant touch it again , yet in the womans game , the argie penalty taker did?

In all football, if an opposition players touches it (including the keeper) then the penalty taker can touch it again.

In the U21 match the ball came back off the post without an opposition player touching it. 👍
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 20, 2019, 12:52:56 PM
one thing I didnt understand , in the U21 if a penalty is saved , the pen kicker cant touch it again , yet in the womans game , the argie penalty taker did?

In all football, if an opposition players touches it (including the keeper) then the penalty taker can touch it again.

In the U21 match the ball came back off the post without an opposition player touching it. 👍

got you . . .   thanks
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 20, 2019, 05:25:55 PM
The time VAR is taking is becoming the most frustrating thing. A penalty was given after exactly a minute of the Canada v Holland game and it took VAR more than three and a half minutes to decide it was a free kick outside the penalty area.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 06:44:18 PM
Crucial finish in the Cameroon v New Zealand match. One one with five minutes left. If either side scores, they're through. If neither side does, Nigeria progress.

So the BBC have chosen to feature the utterly pointless match between Netherlands and Canada on the red button instead...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 06:54:47 PM
Goal of the tournament for Cameroon five seconds from the end of injury time!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 06:55:32 PM
Cameroon through!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 20, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Can I stop laughing about the Jock exit the other night yet?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
It was the most Scotland thing ever.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 20, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
I’m completely lost and confused with offside now if that second USA goal is not classed as offside.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 20, 2019, 09:21:31 PM
Again in this tournament, if the defender had stood there with their arm raised instead of stretching for the ball, there'd have been a flag.

I'm not sure I like this interpretation of offside, whereby you're on or off depending on what the defender manages to do.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 20, 2019, 09:27:16 PM
I’m completely lost and confused with offside now if that second USA goal is not classed as offside.

So am I.  If that goal was a legitimate goal according to the current rules of the game then as far as I can see 'offside' has no longer any place in the game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 09:28:03 PM
Watching Chilli against Toyland on red button. Chile need two more to qualify. Thailand need... sixteen. Otherwise Nigeria qualify. If Chile qualify they play England. If Nigeria qualify, England play Cameroon.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 20, 2019, 09:36:17 PM
Goal of the tournament for Cameroon five seconds from the end of injury time!
Hilarious own goal as well.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Two-nil Chile. They need one more.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 09:41:37 PM
VAR penalty incoming...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 20, 2019, 09:42:08 PM
Here we go, lets see who FIFA want England to play next...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
VAR BAR
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 21, 2019, 11:48:56 AM
Here we go, lets see who FIFA want England to play next...

It won't matter. Either way we're playing some, absolute garbage, third place finisher! 😂

Two weeks, 36 games, and only 8 of the 24 teams are out!! 😂😂
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 21, 2019, 12:36:52 PM
I must say, I much prefer the group stages of a World Cup. Coming home every day to know you've got a minimum of two games per day, for two solid weeks. Heaven. And running into the group stages of the Copa America and CAN too. When the women finally get good, there'll never be a summer without a decent international football tournament. Long gone the purgatory of odd-numbered years without WC or Euros - especially now Test Cricket is a) much rarer and b) not on terrestrial telly.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
I'm not a fan of the best third place teams going through generally, but fair play, pretty much every group has had a really exciting finish.

Though you wouldn't know if you were just watching the BBC's main game each time as the pathetic fanboys/girls kept just showing the big teams who were already through.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: leylandalbion on June 21, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
I'm not a fan of the best third place teams going through generally, but fair play, pretty much every group has had a really exciting finish.

Though you wouldn't know if you were just watching the BBC's main game each time as the pathetic fanboys/girls kept just showing the big teams who were already through.
What I found really bizarre that even BBC Soctland were showing the England games and the Scotland game had to be accessed via red button.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Scotland game was on BBC4, too. But point still valid.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 22, 2019, 09:26:15 PM
Watching Norway - Australia and it is the first time I have seen why all the articles I've read say that Sam Kerr is one of the best female players in the world. Every other time I've seen her she hasn't struck me as anything special, but she is playing very well tonight, a cut above everyone else on the park.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Thought the Aussies should have had a pen then. VAR said no.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Penalties. With VAR in force this might not finish before the next round.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
Who knew that Kevin Richardson had had a sex change?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: devilla on June 22, 2019, 10:49:42 PM
This match has had it all. Who would have thought Kerr would miss her pen?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 22, 2019, 10:53:30 PM
Superb penalties from Norway.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2019, 10:53:49 PM
Those Aussies were almost as bad as the Baggies with the pens
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 22, 2019, 10:57:53 PM
Cracking game that was.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 11:26:37 PM
Agree I do.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 22, 2019, 11:45:19 PM
Great game and about time women's football was given the credit it deserves, free from male derision. Carpenter of Australia and Norway's No.14 are faf.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Comrade Blitz on June 23, 2019, 04:58:26 AM
This match has had it all. Who would have thought Kerr would miss her pen?

She was moaning to the ref all match looking for a break. That was karma.

Heia Norge!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2019, 06:47:10 AM
The refereeing has been spectacularly awful in the WWC.
The decision to have female only officials has backfired as it is obvious most of them are just not up to it.(this is the opinion of many female players)
It has bought to light the issues with VAR.
Mis / new interpretation of basic Laws ie Offside, Handball foul play.
Players stopping the game to pressurize officials to review incidents.
Penalty’s , although for the first time goalkeeper encroachment has been correctly administered.
Referees using VAR indiscriminately.
I think that they have got to give each team maybe 2 replays or else the game will be changed and ruined.


Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 23, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Only noticed last night that from goalkicks the ball does not have to leave the box in the Women's game. I also think that England have no chance of winning this tournament.  Norway, France, Germany and USA are all far better.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
The ball doesn't have to leave the box in the men's game, either. New rule.

Fancy England to beat Cameroon and Norway but can see them finishing fourth after losing to Germany and the winner of the France v USA QF.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 23, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
Thanks for the heads up.  Anything else I need to look out for before I start shouting at match officials?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 01:01:10 PM
Intent as it stood has disappeared from handball, unnatural silhouette is where it's at nowadays. I don't think offside has changed, but its interpretation seems to depend on who "they" want to win. Subbed and injured players can leave the pitch via the nearest touchline rather than halfway. Probably more, can't remember.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 01:35:41 PM
Subbed players have to leave by the shortest exit point, unless there is a reason for them to go off elsewhere (eg being stretchered to the tunnel).

If the ref stops it for a head injury it's an uncontested drop ball for the team that had the ball. Exception is when it happens in the penalty area then it's an uncontested drop ball for the defending team's goalkeeper regardless of which team had the ball. Must admit, I struggle to see the logic of that last rule.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 01:51:35 PM
Not just head injuries, all though that should be the primary reason for stopping play. All drop balls will be uncontested, opposition players must retreat 4 metres. Also, the referee no longer constitutes part of the field of play. A drop ball shall be awarded if a team gains advantage from the ball striking an official.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
That makes sense, I suppose.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 02:02:40 PM
I'm not that fussed by the incoming changes, they'll hopefully help mitigating some of the tedious aspects of 90 minutes, like arguing over a drop ball, was there any need for his arm to be there (cue coachloads of ex pros piping up about how you can't jump with your arms by your side), get off the f***ing pitch you timewasting ******, that sort of bollocks. And the goal kick thing could go one of two ways, either more open games as more teams press higher up the pitch, or the long goal kick stages a comeback. Whichever, it's going to mess up TSM2's possession stats.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 02:07:09 PM
The short goal kicks will likely speed up the game. Imagine Barcelona and Man City will use it as a quick way of getting okay restarted and other teams will follow their lead. At least we will have no reason for the weird sideways goal kicks towards the corner flag that Lambert loves.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
England did well to score there but it took a week to get the free kick sorted out.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 23, 2019, 05:20:05 PM
Fuming after a terrible day and a call to my ISP just to be able to watch the game, I must say that the standard of this first half is absolutely dire, especially compared to the Norway - Australia game yesterday. Hoped this would be some sort of classic to live with the corresponding fixture in the 1990 WC, which my kids have heard all about today.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Rudy65 on June 23, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
Cameroon are awful.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 05:25:15 PM
VAR reversed the incorrect offside decision by the officials but it’s taking far too long to come to the correct decision. These officials combined with VAR is a farce.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 05:28:19 PM
Cameroon letting themselves down just a tad.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 23, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
It might be the correct decision but any spontaneous celebrations were flattened. It just strips the game of emotion at almost every turn.

Why not enter the team stats into a big clever computer and it will decide who wins? Can't get more accurate than that.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2019, 05:34:05 PM
Cameroon letting themselves down just a tad.

Looked like they were blanking their manager at ht too. Would be worth a punt on a couple of red cards second half.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
Cameroon players will go nuts after VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 05:43:47 PM
If this is disallowed it could get very interesting. Shit defending either way.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 05:44:59 PM
VAR is killing these games. Was she off? By an inch or 2 maybe but at a glance you’d say she’s level. I fucking hate VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 23, 2019, 05:45:18 PM
Her eyebrow was off.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2019, 05:45:44 PM
Was sloppy by us, but she was just offside. Dread to think what will happen if there's another VAR !!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 05:45:55 PM
This game will still be going on at midnight.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2019, 05:46:26 PM
VAR is killing these games. Was she off? By an inch or 2 maybe but at a glance you’d say she’s level. I fucking hate VAR.

Agreed. This is getting interesting.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 23, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
What odds VAR is binned before Euro2020 ? It's an abomination on the game, even when it gets the decisions "technically" correct.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2019, 05:48:06 PM
The Cameroon team have lost the plot.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 05:48:11 PM
I like the idea of VAR and it is getting the vast majority of decisions right, but it takes so fucking long.

England women defending like England men.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 05:49:36 PM
What was the goalie doing there the big girl!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 23, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
Looked level, the benefit of the doubt was always given to the attacker.

What a Pandoras Box of shit spewing all over the beautiful game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 05:55:51 PM
The whole notion of playing off the last defender is dead under VAR. Some strikers are going to have to relearn their trade. Unintended consequences.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 06:00:30 PM
The decisions are almost always correct.  Time is an issue.  But I can't agree with the argument that we should accept mistakes because it creates a better atmosphere.  The game has been evolving since it began; this is just another evolution.  What I think would help the game enormously if a) players knew the rules, and b) accepted decisions that went against them.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: TonyD on June 23, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
England will get thrashed by Norway.   
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
Said a few times already...the current offside rules being applied are not fit for purpose with the technical implementation of VAR.

Similar to Lingards goal against Holland, there is no way that Cameroon goal should have been disallowed for a toe or a heel being offside when they are blatantly “level”.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
Said a few times already...the current offside rules being applied are not fit for purpose with the technical implementation of VAR.

Similar to Lingards goal against Holland, there is no way that Cameroon goal should have been disallowed for a toe or a heel being offside when they are blatantly “level”.

So what's the margin then?  And how do you get implemented consistently?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
I do think technology applies better to some situations than others. Making offside decisions in real time (and if in doubt favouring the attacker) seems fair and avoids ridiculous situations where a defender moving a shoulder fractionally at the right time puts an attacker offside.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 06:14:54 PM
If they are only a offside by a bit then they aren't offside seems to be the rule KRS wants which I just can't agree with.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
I could have done with that penalty being given because pre match I had a bet on England to win 4-0.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
I honestly don’t know the answer hilts now that technology is being applied to offside especially when things like body movement, motion and momentum are all involved...all I know is that a couple of inches of a toe or trailing leg should not result in a goal being disallowed.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
Ref just chickened out then.
It messing the game up, if every decision is going to VAR then it is going to be very tedious.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
Said a few times already...the current offside rules being applied are not fit for purpose with the technical implementation of VAR.

Similar to Lingards goal against Holland, there is no way that Cameroon goal should have been disallowed for a toe or a heel being offside when they are blatantly “level”.

So what's the margin then?  And how do you get implemented consistently?

Football is a fast and more or less constantly moving sport with lots of moving elements. I personally don’t think it’s desirable to try and and apply rules with 100% accuracy given what you have to sacrifice in pursuit of that. Otherwise we’d be going to VAR every 30 seconds to see whose throw in it is, let alone all those 50/50 niggle situations that are always going to be subjective in terms of where the infringement is.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
'member the good old days, when there had to be "daylight" between?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 06:20:30 PM
I think the problem is that there is now such money at stake that you'll never get players, managers or administrators saying 'Never mind the mistakes'.  So they try to eliminate the mistakes.  You have to remember VAR is in its infancy. 
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
If they are only a offside by a bit then they aren't offside seems to be the rule KRS wants which I just can't agree with.
If they are only offside by an inch of a shoulder blade or toe then for me that isn’t offside as quite obviously the body mass of the players would be level. Changing the rules to being a central point of the body wouldn’t work though as obviously you can score with your head or outstretched leg...which then justifies your viewpoint of a toe being offside. Either way, it’s properly shit the way it is now and the rules need to be adapted if VAR is to be applied to offside.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Richard E on June 23, 2019, 06:21:49 PM
If it results in a goal for Villa - onside.

If it results in a goal against Villa - offside.

#sorted
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 23, 2019, 06:22:10 PM
The decisions are almost always correct.  Time is an issue.  But I can't agree with the argument that we should accept mistakes because it creates a better atmosphere.  The game has been evolving since it began; this is just another evolution.  What I think would help the game enormously if a) players knew the rules, and b) accepted decisions that went against them.

If you want your second point to happen I think you'll be waiting a long time. Talking of time, applying VAR takes time due to the, at times, forensic nature of the decision making process. As for mistakes, everyone else makes them during a game and we accept that. Mistakes alter games I will concede but in the grand scheme of things, the good teams prevail and the bad ones get relegated and have to wait 3 seasons to get back up again.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 23, 2019, 06:22:18 PM
Football is fucked!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:26:02 PM
This was just sent to me from a female friend before anyone gets too precious about it! 🙈


(https://i.ibb.co/6nr6wB8/002-D578-C-D06-A-44-F5-AB73-E3289-F4152-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nr6wB8)



Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 06:32:53 PM
Offside is the thing VAR should be best at as a player is either offside or onside, doesn't matter by how much. Problem is how fecking slow it is.

And that is a horrible challenge.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
That Cameroon number seven who was protesting the foul is a total headcase. She was the one giving out in the earlier melee.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:35:19 PM
Another VAR decision for a penalty...not given and rightly so in my opinion but pretty sure a penalty was awarded in an identical scenario the other day (player unintentionally fouled in the box after the ball was played).

I’d be interested to see how much time has been added to this game for VAR decisions...it must be at least 20 minutes so far. Also will the officials add this time back on after 90 minutes (unlike they did for Scotland).
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 23, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
Hah ! The ref bottled the peno and the red card because she knew the Camerronians would have gone completely mental, with the number 7 quite possibly assaulting someone (per the definition from the Politics thread ;-)). No more controversy with VAR...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
Cameroon were right wankers at times and the ref was poor. And VAR needs a lot of work as it's too tedious.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
Another VAR decision for a penalty...not given and rightly so in my opinion but pretty sure a penalty was awarded in an identical scenario the other day (player unintentionally fouled in the box after the ball was played).

I’d be interested to see how much time has been added to this game for VAR decisions...it must be at least 20 minutes so far. Also will the officials add this time back on after 90 minutes (unlike they did for Scotland).

See my post, offside is offside, problem is other stuff like penalties, red cards etc is still subjective of the person looking at it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2019, 06:38:52 PM
This was just sent to me from a female friend before anyone gets too precious about it! 🙈


(https://i.ibb.co/6nr6wB8/002-D578-C-D06-A-44-F5-AB73-E3289-F4152-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nr6wB8)


I think the most offensive thing about it is how ridiculously unoriginal and unfunny it is?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2019, 06:39:57 PM
I'm offended by how small the kitchen seems to be, how did she even get out of the door?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
Cameroon the shithouses deserved everything they got.  Which was nothing.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
I'm offended by how small the kitchen seems to be, how did she even get out of the door?
Not to scale...but she does like her food!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2019, 06:45:16 PM
If VAR carries on like that I am going to start taking a book to the match.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:46:16 PM
This was just sent to me from a female friend before anyone gets too precious about it! 🙈


(https://i.ibb.co/6nr6wB8/002-D578-C-D06-A-44-F5-AB73-E3289-F4152-FD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nr6wB8)


I think the most offensive thing about it is how ridiculously unoriginal and unfunny it is?
I agree...I’ve had to tell her many a time she’s not funny!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 23, 2019, 06:49:30 PM
England deserved to win, the Cameroon team lost all discipline and should have had at least two sent off. The ref was appalling and should have started to dish cards out for open dissent but bottled it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
I haven't seen an injured player harangued on the floor so much since Keane did Haaland.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2019, 06:55:32 PM
Cameroon players were a disgrace. Ref and all officials were pathetic. VAR beyond a joke. Fairplay to England for remaining professional and getting the job done.

How long did that 90 minute game actually last with all the stoppages? Must be a new record.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 23, 2019, 06:57:55 PM
Cameroon players were a disgrace. Ref and all officials were pathetic. VAR beyond a joke. Fairplay to England for remaining professional and getting the job done.

How long did that 90 minute game actually last with all the stoppages? Must be a new record.

Agree 100% KRS
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 06:59:19 PM
Not sure what the issue with the offside is. It's offside, whether it's by an inch or a yard, makes no odds. Same as goal line technology, nobody would say the goal shouldn't count if the whole ball was only over by a couple of inches.

They do need to hurry the fuck up with the decisions. Offside should take about ten seconds to check unless there is a player/official blocking the camera and you need to check multiple angles.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 23, 2019, 07:06:24 PM
The Cameroon players were a fucking disgrace and the ref was shockingly shit. As was the defending.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: nigel on June 23, 2019, 07:39:58 PM
VAR was made to look poor in this game by the antics of the Cameroon players and the fact the ref took forever to decide.

It's in its infancy,  and certainly needs tweeking. It can only get better.

Fair play to Phil Neill in the post match interview, spoke exactly as it was.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 23, 2019, 07:50:04 PM
Decisions need to be made by the VAR official in the stands and immediately given to the ref to speed the process up.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 07:50:09 PM
I don’t disagree with the points about VAR in relation to offside for entirely logical reasons. I get that it it’s off it’s off. Suppose I just feel it’s essentially a fix for a problem that didn’t exist and where the fix takes away more than it adds, in terms of delays and hair-splitting of a sort that disadvantages attackers and attacking play.

I just don’t feel like it’s necessary or desirable to try and measure offside decisions to the millimetre when we’re talking about human bodies in an imprecise sport not, say, a tennis match where Hawkeye measures the position of a small ball where millimetres are relevant.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: tricky59 on June 23, 2019, 07:51:23 PM
Maybe there could be Linesman's Call for offsides, like Umpire's Call in cricket, whereby the linesman can give a soft signal as to what he/she thinks and this applies in such close calls where you're relying on a TV screen with a line drawn on it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
I definitely don't need VAR to tell me that France kit is fucking horrible.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 08:02:42 PM
Another VAR decision for a penalty...not given and rightly so in my opinion but pretty sure a penalty was awarded in an identical scenario the other day (player unintentionally fouled in the box after the ball was played).

I’d be interested to see how much time has been added to this game for VAR decisions...it must be at least 20 minutes so far. Also will the officials add this time back on after 90 minutes (unlike they did for Scotland).

See my post, offside is offside, problem is other stuff like penalties, red cards etc is still subjective of the person looking at it.


Given how at least a couple of decisions in the group stages went regarding active/interfering, I question your "offside is offside" reckoning.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:03:27 PM
Maybe there could be Linesman's Call for offsides, like Umpire's Call in cricket, whereby the linesman can give a soft signal as to what he/she thinks and this applies in such close calls where you're relying on a TV screen with a line drawn on it.

I think it's different as DRS in cricket is making a prediction of where the ball would have gone, had the pads not been there. So it seems reasonable that there is the grey area that "umpire's call" allows.

With offsides, there is generally no grey area. You're not predicting anything, you can see whether it's offside or not. Only exception would be in the circumstance I mentioned earlier where you couldn't get a clear camera view due to players/officials being in the way. Perhaps in those circumstances, you could stay with the initial decision. Even this is problematic as addistants are being told not to flag if there is any doubt so that VAR can sort it out later.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2019, 08:04:30 PM
Measuring offside as precisely as the goal line decision in my view is bunk. A round sphere that has no triangulation can be absolutely tracked against a line drawn however tracking human bodies with limbs moving frantically in different directions in a freeze frame in a particular split second moment and making a decision based on that is unfair and against the spirit of sport itself.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
The ball can move just as frantically as any visible body part, if not more so. The two offisde decisions were both clear cut, even if the second was marginal.

The only VAR controversies I could see were why England weren't awarded a penalty and why the Cameroonian girl wasn't sent off in injury time.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:23:28 PM
Ffs keeper.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:27:21 PM
Erm. Never mind... good old VAR!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 23, 2019, 08:30:40 PM
Is anyone on here in any way even the slightest, tiniest bit bitter or upset or even mildly bothered about any offside decision that you felt robbed someone of glory in the preceding 150 years of organised football?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 08:42:43 PM
I've never seen Marta have a good game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 23, 2019, 09:13:23 PM
Me neither. I can only assume she must be past her best, or a bit like Messi and just a bit at sea with her national team.

As I say that, finally a decent passage of play and a lovely French goal.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 09:25:21 PM
Good use of VAR then. Would have been poor if that goal hadn't been given.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 23, 2019, 09:28:40 PM
Cricket and Rugby have VAR tied down perfectly and both enhance the spectacle. Football needs to absorb a few lessons from other sports whilst it beds in new technology.

Today has seen the best and worst of VAR technology so it needs to be fine tuned.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 23, 2019, 09:32:39 PM
Measuring offside as precisely as the goal line decision in my view is bunk. A round sphere that has no triangulation can be absolutely tracked against a line drawn however tracking human bodies with limbs moving frantically in different directions in a freeze frame in a particular split second moment and making a decision based on that is unfair and against the spirit of sport itself.

Absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
I'm still struggling to understand why giving somebody offside when they're offside is more unfair than not giving somebody offside when they're offside.

All the offside decisions that have been referred to VAR today have been correct. France would have an unfair lead in this game if they hadn't.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
Cricket and Rugby have VAR tied down perfectly and both enhance the spectacle. Football needs to absorb a few lessons from other sports whilst it beds in new technology.

Today has seen the best and worst of VAR technology so it needs to be fine tuned.

Football’s a very different sport though. Both rugby and cricket have regular natural breaks built into the format. The main reason it’s been resisted for so long is because of fears it would break up the flow of the game and turn it into something different, which is exactly what’s happening.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Great chance there for Marta to show how good she was and win the game for Brazil.

She fucked it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 23, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
Cricket and Rugby have VAR tied down perfectly and both enhance the spectacle. Football needs to absorb a few lessons from other sports whilst it beds in new technology.

Today has seen the best and worst of VAR technology so it needs to be fine tuned.

Football’s a very different sport though. Both rugby and cricket have regular natural breaks built into the format. The main reason it’s been resisted for so long is because of fears it would break up the flow of the game and turn it into something different, which is exactly what’s happening.

Yes I get that but surely technology could be used to say sound a loud warning and display something on screen to highlight that VAR may be active. The ref could activate it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: postal on June 24, 2019, 08:54:54 AM
I think that the benefits of VAR will not out weigh the negatives, of destroying the game.
Not sure I can face a season of football with VAR.

Goalline tech. makes sense, but the other "advances" are a step too VAR  ::)
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on June 24, 2019, 10:35:52 AM
Cameroon were an absolute disgrace yesterday, so what sanctions are FIFA gonna hit them with, knowing FIFA probably none.

On the other hand the English players were a credit to the game. Fingers crossed Steph Houghton will be fit for the Norway game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 24, 2019, 11:08:25 AM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.

I agree.  The only reason there can be is potential corruption in the VAR house.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 11:42:38 AM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.

I agree.  The only reason there can be is potential corruption in the VAR house.

What we need is a VAR watching the VAR, just to be sure they've not missed anything. With possibly another VAR watching them.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on June 24, 2019, 12:00:22 PM
I think it’s to try to maintain the illusion that the referee’s word is final. I hope that is merely teething problems and that it settles down in time but the initial signs do not bode well.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 24, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.

I agree.  The only reason there can be is potential corruption in the VAR house.

What we need is a VAR watching the VAR, just to be sure they've not missed anything. With possibly another VAR watching them.

And just for good measure and to ensure there's no corruption there could be an interactive audience vote where viewers tweet or text to say whether they agree with VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment. If the public agree then the decision stands unless the on-pitch referee disagrees. A bit longwinded but at least it gurantees every decision is right.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 24, 2019, 12:14:24 PM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.

I agree.  The only reason there can be is potential corruption in the VAR house.

What we need is a VAR watching the VAR, just to be sure they've not missed anything. With possibly another VAR watching them.

And just for good measure and to ensure there's no corruption there could be an interactive audience vote where viewers tweet or text to say whether they agree with VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment. If the public agree then the decision stands unless the on-pitch referee disagrees. A bit longwinded but at least it gurantees every decision is right.

Which is all that matters.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
I don't know why the referees have to jog over to the midway sideline to check VAR. Just get the replay official to check it, it'll be quicker. Umpires don't have to trot over to the boundary to check LBWs, their mate watching the telly tells them what to do. An unnecessary waste of time.

I agree.  The only reason there can be is potential corruption in the VAR house.

What we need is a VAR watching the VAR, just to be sure they've not missed anything. With possibly another VAR watching them.

And just for good measure and to ensure there's no corruption there could be an interactive audience vote where viewers tweet or text to say whether they agree with VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment of VAR's assessment. If the public agree then the decision stands unless the on-pitch referee disagrees. A bit longwinded but at least it gurantees every decision is right.


Absolutely. Let's do like they do in The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent. If the judges can't decide take it to a public vote.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: rob16v on June 24, 2019, 03:01:36 PM
They're softening us up for VAR breaks every 15 minutes for convenient TV advertising slots...just like they do in that game they play in the US of A.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
Fucking dive.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 24, 2019, 06:30:10 PM
Terrible decision.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 24, 2019, 06:33:22 PM
Well, that is bullshit. The ref, and the American girl who dived, should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 24, 2019, 06:43:35 PM
The refs in this tournament wouldn't even be good enough for the Championship, and the only criteria required for that seemed to be owning two legs and a whistle. You could make a highlights reel of howlers from almost every match.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 24, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Not really seen VAR in use before until this world cup but I'm not impressed. I can't see it being of any use only to benefit the so-called sky 6 and big boys in europe when they already have a lot in their favour anyway.
That 2nd usa pen was a disgrace. The girl had lost control of the ball going away from goal, knew this and dived after taking at least 2 steps, when it was clear the spanish girl was pulling her leg back from the challenge.
While I'm at it why do the usa fans celebrate a goal like they're at a wrestling match?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 24, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
More VAR shenanigans in Sweden v Canada. It's every game now, they're all going on for 100 minutes. Very harsh penalty given to Canada but great save by the Swedish keeper. Oh, and Canada appear to have brought on Russell Howard.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2019, 08:01:26 AM
The Chinese ref of the England Cameroon game now admitted that she ignored VAR twice to stop the Cameroon players leaving the field. Worse it appears that FIFA are supporting her decision.
The introduction of VAR combined with awful refereeing and now piss poor leadership from FIFA is an absolute clusterfuck.
I hope the PL and FA know what they are doing.

The ref is now known as the African VAR reverser.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 25, 2019, 07:43:23 PM
Honestly, sort VAR out or get rid. Its bloody awful.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 25, 2019, 09:43:10 PM
Japanese really going for it against the Dutch here.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 09:47:44 PM
And then the Dutch get a ludicrous penalty. That is never deliberate handball. Total bollocks.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 09:48:42 PM
Goal.

Short of fielding a defence made entirely of amputees, I'm not sure how you're supposed to avoid giving a handball away if that's the rule.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 25, 2019, 09:48:44 PM
Spoke too soon, penalty to the Dutch. Cruel.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 09:49:00 PM
VAR wins it again. Great penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 25, 2019, 09:49:18 PM
Harsh on Japan. Ball hits her arm at close range and also gets booked for it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 09:55:43 PM
Can someone tell me please that this new handball rule is trial only at this World Cup and will be abandoned  post the tournament?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 25, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
That was so harsh on Japan, who were superb.  I love watching a team of skilful littl'uns run rings around much bigger opponents, which is what Japan did for most of this game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 25, 2019, 10:00:35 PM
And then the Dutch get a ludicrous penalty. That is never deliberate handball. Total bollocks.

No longer relevant, he says to the man who questions offsides...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 25, 2019, 10:06:41 PM
How was her arm 'not in a natural position' then, such as to justify a penalty?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 25, 2019, 10:12:45 PM
The new handball rules are kind of explained here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/47429316

Basically handball is handball whether accidental or intentional.

David Elleray appears to be involved with these new rules:

Quote
Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental.

Elleray says this is an effort to put an end to defenders placing their arms behind their backs in fear of giving away a free-kick.


"We've changed it to say the body has a certain silhouette," said Elleray. "If the arms are extended beyond that silhouette then the body is being made unnaturally bigger, with the purpose of it being a bigger barrier to the opponent or the ball.

"Players should be allowed to have their arms by their side because it's their natural silhouette."
What they have done will achieve the exact opposite of what they are trying to achieve in the bit highlighted above...unless all players now run around like penguins.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 10:21:20 PM
I'm struggling to see how her arms were in an unnatural position. A nonsense decision.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 25, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
They were extended beyond the “natural silhouette” which is completely unnatural for anyone playing football. It is a complete nonsense decision based on complete nonsense rules.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019't
Post by: dave shelley on June 25, 2019, 10:26:51 PM
Contact sport where you can't move your arms? What a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
They were extended beyond the “natural silhouette” which is completely unnatural for anyone playing football. It is a complete nonsense decision based on complete nonsense rules.

Is the natural silhouette based on the idea that they're standing still or does it take into account the fact that footballers occasionally run around?

Smith said we spent a lot of time practising penalties before The Hawthorns game. We should do the same before every game on that basis.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 25, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
They were extended beyond the “natural silhouette” which is completely unnatural for anyone playing football. It is a complete nonsense decision based on complete nonsense rules.

I massively disagree. Albeit at a hugely lower level, but the only time my arm ever hit the ball, I meant it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 10:41:15 PM
You can see that her arm is by her side and she is actually trying to get it out of the way. How is she supposed to NOT give a penalty away without running with her arms behind her back?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 25, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
Oh well, with the serial crook Elleray involved, I'm sure things will work out just great...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 26, 2019, 12:33:09 AM
The new handball rules are shite. Next season is going to be a complete farce at this rate.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 26, 2019, 11:39:27 AM
A bit late to the party but.....

By the time the ball struck the arm it was back I it's natural position!? Short of snapping it off at the shoulder and throwing it on the floor, I'm not sure what the player could have done to avoid the ball hitting it.

I can see how a referee might give that in real time, but I'm bemused as to how VAR didn't overrule it. I thought that was what it was for?

Total shambles. There are more arguments than before we had the bloody thing 😂
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 26, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
My take on it is this. Her arm stopped a goal bound shot while she was in the process of trying to win the ball. therefore a penalty. I know she didn't want to handle the ball but had she not done so it would likely have been a goal.   
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Ad@m on June 26, 2019, 12:16:24 PM
Total shambles. There are more arguments than before we had the bloody thing 😂

This is the crux of it for me.  VAR's sole objective is to remove the controversy but so far it's amplified it, massively.  FIFA need to get a grip on this - we can't be in a permanent state of trial with VAR.  If it's not delivering the only thing it was meant to do, just get rid of it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 26, 2019, 12:30:57 PM
My take on it is this. Her arm stopped a goal bound shot while she was in the process of trying to win the ball. therefore a penalty. I know she didn't want to handle the ball but had she not done so it would likely have been a goal.


But that's not the new law.

If the arm is in it's natural silhouette position when the ball strikes it, which I believe it was, it's not supposed to be an infringement.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
Even if it was handball, which is still don't agree with, surely there has to be some level of intent to warrant a yellow card? What the fuck was the booking about?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 26, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
My take on it is this. Her arm stopped a goal bound shot while she was in the process of trying to win the ball. therefore a penalty. I know she didn't want to handle the ball but had she not done so it would likely have been a goal.


But that's not the new law.

If the arm is in it's natural silhouette position when the ball strikes it, which I believe it was, it's not supposed to be an infringement.

Okay, by having her arms outstretched as she did she was inadvertently making her body bigger. Ball hits arm, pen.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2019, 12:59:55 PM
Her arms weren't outstretched beyond a natural position you would have while running about. Nobody runs with their arms glued to their sides.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 26, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
She was practically flying lile a plane Kamakaze style, Schmichael would have been impressed.

I've seen some horrendous handball decisions given against us that have resulted in pens (Delaney at Middlesboro with his back to the play for example)  This was not a bad decision.  She didn't mean it but it happened and her arms natural or intended stopped a ball going towards goal.  It's a fairly clear handball to me.  I don't agree with the booking either but that's what they do.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on June 26, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
She was practically flying lile a plane Kamakaze style, Schmichael would have been impressed.

I've seen some horrendous handball decisions given against us that have resulted in pens (Delaney at Middlesboro with his back to the play for example)  This was not a bad decision.  She didn't mean it but it happened and her arms natural or intended stopped a ball going towards goal.  It's a fairly clear handball to me.  I don't agree with the booking either but that's what they do.

I'm not convinced we're talking about the same penalty?

The Japan player's arm was back by her side when the ball hit it. Whilst moving about, in the moments before, it's true her arm moved away from her body (that tends to happen), but it was not outstretched at the point of impact.

I can see how you and the ref got it wrong in real tume, but FAR should be able to get it right. Unless, as someone else has said, all handball in the area lead to a penalty, but that's not how I read it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 27, 2019, 02:29:32 AM
My interpretation is that unless a players arms are at their side (like a penguin or statue) then any handball (accidental or intentional) in the area will result in a penalty. Similarly, if there is any handball (accidental or intentional) during an attacking move that results in a goal then the goal will be disallowed for handball.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on June 27, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
England 1 up early doors, Beckham not missing a chance to get his face everywhere, that fuckin' band being told to shut the fuck up by a Swedish supporter and mercifully no VAR so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 27, 2019, 08:28:10 PM
So, England's womens team have reached the quarter finals of the world cup, so that fucking band decides it's time to turn up and poison the tournament with their array of war film tunes and other jolly ditties.  Wankers.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
Really feel we need to see more of David Beckham. Not seen enough of him so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 27, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
So, England's womens team have reached the quarter finals of the world cup, so that fucking band decides it's time to turn up and poison the tournament with their array of war film tunes and other jolly ditties.  Wankers.

Are you not entertained?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on June 27, 2019, 08:42:18 PM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
Who cares about some blokes with a drum and some trumpets? Superb stuff from England
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 27, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
England were a toe offside for that cross.

I’ve been thinking about the whole offside decisions measured in millimetres thing and why it’s so annoying. I think it’s because everyone knows (fans, attacker, defender) that if someone scores from six inches offside they would probably have scored if they’d been onside. Any advantage is negligible. Whereas with a goal line clearance the millimetres matter. It’s not an argument you’ll win on the technicalities, just about what is sensible,
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 27, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Anyway yeah, England are playing well tonight. Norway are decent and being mostly neutralised.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 27, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
Still think we look a little shaky at the back, in a game we have dominated, Norway have had some half-decent openings.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Rudy65 on June 27, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Why so much Beckham?

England playing well. Both our fullbacks are really decent. Enjoying it

Norway not playing the best player in the world due to dispute with their FA. Bizarre
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Colhint on June 27, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
Norway are a good side, they lost 2-0 to the US playing a weakened side as they knew they were through. Opted for the easier side of the draw.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 27, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Lucy Bronze has some engine.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on June 27, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !

See what I mean !!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 27, 2019, 09:14:55 PM
Hourihane-esque!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 27, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Lucy Bronze has some engine.

And a thunderbastard of a right foot as well!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2019, 09:15:11 PM
Redditch BCFC flag in the crowd. I thought they were all from Birmingham?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 09:16:20 PM
Can we move this to main board and stick it please Mods?  We owe it to this England team.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2019, 09:19:48 PM
Gets my vote, good shout
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
Why so much Beckham?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Beckham Ltd didn’t demand number of on screen live shots in return for turning up at the match.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 27, 2019, 09:23:48 PM
Should have done a Lineker that Norwegian girl and just let the keepers legs take her out to get the peno.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 27, 2019, 09:27:18 PM
Bright is having a mare at the back.   
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Monty on June 27, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
Two semi finals in two World Cups in two years is not bad going for the national sides at all!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Dave P on June 27, 2019, 09:35:14 PM
Imagine if the Derby keeper was as brave as the Norwegian keeper then lol
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 27, 2019, 09:35:57 PM
Imagine if the Derby keeper was as brave as the Norwegian keeper then lol

Don't.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
Good game that.  Really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 27, 2019, 10:46:56 PM
Good game that.  Really enjoyed it.

Watching that game directly after watching Algeria and Senegal niggle whinge and foul their way to a tedious result was a pure joy.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2019, 12:25:43 AM
Bright is having a mare at the back.   
She’s definitely the weak link at the back. Seems like she tires badly, gets out of position and starts making bad mistakes that could get punished against USA or France.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 28, 2019, 03:01:56 AM
do people agree with me  the worst aspect of the whole tournament are the so called experts with their views.  A lot of sitting on the fence.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2019, 03:26:41 AM
Would it be politically incorrect for the so called experts to admit that some of the teams have been proper shite?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2019, 08:21:21 AM
I thought the referee had a decent game last night too.  She allowed the game to flow and accepted just enough physicality to remain on the right side of the laws.  No VAR meant the game also had continuity.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 28, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
Generally the referees and defending have been shit. And the VAR stuff has detracted from the spectacle. But am glad the ladies are getting decent coverage.

A real gear grinder for me though is the defending as someone who used to play at a reasonable level in that position.

No organisation. No shape. Lots of wishy washy shit on the ball only to lose when every fibre of my decision making says there is fuck all on and go backwards will play you into trouble so get rid of the fucking thing.

I like playing out from the back but you can't always do it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Ad@m on June 28, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !

Phil Neville reckons she's the best player in the world.

Not being funny, but if she's the best player in the world, what the fuck's she doing playing right back?!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on June 28, 2019, 03:06:33 PM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !

Phil Neville reckons she's the best player in the world.

Not being funny, but if she's the best player in the world, what the fuck's she doing playing right back?!

Why can't the best player be a defender?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2019, 04:33:33 PM
Any predictions for France vs USA tonight? I think USA are clearly the best team but could be a tight game against the host nation.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 28, 2019, 07:59:33 PM
I reckon this game is going to be belter.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
Good start anyway.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on June 28, 2019, 08:13:48 PM
England looked better than both of these teams
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 28, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
The Americans are technically much better than any team I've seen in the tournament. They're the only ones who don't seem to make stupid / lazy errors of control and seem to make better passing choices.

That said, I don't really like the attitude thzy seem to have, so would like them to lose but don't think they will.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on June 28, 2019, 08:22:31 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/jfXdNGX/B1418965-0081-4-BA5-804-B-6204-D69-F0-A4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/jfXdNGX)
Have they anyone with the middle name “tough”?

That’s apt
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 28, 2019, 08:56:30 PM
It's been good to watch because of the atmosphere but the amount of times the ball has been given away is quite shocking in a WC quarter final.  Also, it doesn't look as if there's much love lost between the two sides.  The US are like a hive mind but the French play like individuals.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Gareth on June 28, 2019, 09:14:54 PM
USA will need a 2nd goal though as the VAR gods/Corrupt FIFA overlords have been with France for the whole tournament thus far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2019, 09:25:58 PM
Which they now have.  French defence all over the place there, well taken nonetheless.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 28, 2019, 09:38:09 PM
France just scored. Interesting.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
Game on for the last 10.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on June 28, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
Bitch that I am, can't help but admire Megan Rapinoe for her views on Trump.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2019, 09:41:34 PM
Bitch that I am, can't help but admire Megan Rapinoe for her views on Trump.

Great isn't she?  Strong woman, strong character.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 28, 2019, 09:45:00 PM
Good decision there, both on the penalty and not going to VAR. Well played ref.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on June 28, 2019, 09:52:33 PM
I didn’t think France were up to much, but this USA team aren’t very likeable
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 28, 2019, 09:55:05 PM
USA look beatable though. Fragile at the back.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Think the England US game will easily be the most watched women's game on British telly, ever.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
We have to win the semi for the sake of womens football.

Nobody is going to take it seriously whilst the No.1 team is the USA
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Monty on June 28, 2019, 09:56:36 PM
USA look beatable though. Fragile at the back.

Agreed. Let's absolutely fuck the fuckers.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2019, 09:57:11 PM
Apparently tonight's result means Great Britain Ladies qualify for the Olympics.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 28, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
The lesson there for England is don't be afraid of the US, have a go at them, put the pressure on them and trust in your back four and keeper to handle what chances they do have.

The latter is easier said than done though - especially because Millie Bright looked mince against Norway.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 28, 2019, 10:02:04 PM
USA look beatable though. Fragile at the back.

You could say the same about England. They were pretty clumsy at the back last night,  Norway could have had three. The weird thing was that England's best chances came from their own defensive cock-ups. They gifted chances to Norway, Norway missed them and England hit them on the break. The thing is the USA won't waste those chances. It's going to be a tough game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 28, 2019, 10:21:05 PM
Looking forward to Tuesday now. I think England can win.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
If anyone is going to beat the US in this, it's us. Yeah, sometimes it looks like they're playing a different sport to the rest, but in Lucy Bronze we've got a freak of a player, Parris capable of magic, Jill Scott with a Hourihane/McGinn-like ability to make something change out of nowhere, and a centre-forward in Ellen White with a true goalscorer's instincts.

Let's have at them.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on June 28, 2019, 11:43:53 PM
USA are easily the stand out team in the tournament. But I really fancy Sweden. They’re not very good I just fancy them.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Ad@m on June 29, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !

Phil Neville reckons she's the best player in the world.

Not being funny, but if she's the best player in the world, what the fuck's she doing playing right back?!

Why can't the best player be a defender?

Because I can probably count on one hand the number of times a right back has massively influenced a game. If she's the best player in the world stick her in midfield or up front where she can get involved in scoring goals.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 29, 2019, 11:04:22 AM
Do you reckon we could offer Lucy Bronze a contract.   She’s a brilliant right back !

Phil Neville reckons she's the best player in the world.

Not being funny, but if she's the best player in the world, what the fuck's she doing playing right back?!

Why can't the best player be a defender?

Because I can probably count on one hand the number of times a right back has massively influenced a game. If she's the best player in the world stick her in midfield or up front where she can get involved in scoring goals.

She's always been involved in scoring goals from fullback though. Made one scored and one the other night. Although I do get what you mean, I'd be interested to see how she'd get on in midfield, she seems to have a very strong all round game. I guess she's more valuable to this team in defence.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 29, 2019, 12:12:21 PM
If you have a full back who causes as many problems as she does going forward you are asking a lot of questions of the opposition. From what I have seen they can't deal with her, she is f*cking everywhere.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on June 29, 2019, 02:14:46 PM
She’s terrifying teams overlapping from full back so why move her around for the sake of it. I think it’s more the case that there have been very few players who have the skills to be a really great attacking full back.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Ad@m on June 29, 2019, 02:28:04 PM
I've no doubt she's a great full back but if you're the "best player in the world" you don't find yourself playing full back.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 29, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
Just watched the ref front up and give a bollocking to an Italian player who was moaning.

This I would support crossing over to the men's game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2019, 03:31:53 PM
Dutch dominance pays off. Hoping they win as they seem more likely to give Germany a game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 29, 2019, 03:32:45 PM
And the Dutch score with a very nice free-kick. Italy offering nothing up front, so I think that'll be the Dutch into the semis.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2019, 03:41:16 PM
Two. That's that I reckon.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 29, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
Though it may have been hotter than expected in France today, it was always likely to be pretty hot.  So I don't know why the one game today couldn't have started earlier, and the other one later, thereby avoiding the worst of the heat. 
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 29, 2019, 05:33:07 PM
It has been absolutely scorching where I am in France, so playing at full-blooded knock-out tie at 15h00 local time was damned incosiderate at best. Probably getting everyone used to refreshment breaks for Qatar 2022.

Germany - Sweden now (Go Sverige !). Must say, the Swedish strip is the tastiest kit I've seen in a long while.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2019, 05:52:49 PM
Great start in this one.  1-1.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2019, 06:41:37 PM
2-1 Sweden.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 29, 2019, 07:09:55 PM
Just catching up with the Lucy Bronze debate on here. Modern game, fullback is huge. They can influence the game like I've not seen before. They have to expend the amount we'd expected in the past of a box-to-box midfielder, but with better tackling, much more pace, and consistent quality crossing. Why move her into midfield? Especially in the women's game where it's largely still quite 442ish, she'd be hugely less affective, in no small part due to her having a considerably poorer fullback behind her.

More power to the 2 shirt, say I.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 29, 2019, 07:20:05 PM
Having such an attacking full back in the 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 England play really stretches the opposition defence. It does though require a very disciplined defensive midfielder to drop in and cover for a counter if the ball is given away.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 29, 2019, 07:48:20 PM
Having such an attacking full back in the 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 England play really stretches the opposition defence. It does though require a very disciplined defensive midfielder to drop in and cover for a counter if the ball is given away.

True, I'm a big fan of the more "big risk, huge rewards" approach. I'd so much rather see her there with a weaker player in front of her than the other way round.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
Deutsche Girls off home to eat mangoes after a shock defeat
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
Deutsche Girls off home to eat mangoes after a shock defeat

Why did you have to be so nasty about them?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
Deutsche Girls off home to eat mangoes after a shock defeat
What does this mean?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
Deutsche Girls off home to eat mangoes after a shock defeat
What does this mean?

ADAM AND THE ANTS - DEUTSCHER GIRLS

We'll do the tango
We'll try the foxtrot
I'll eat a mango
You'll drink a straight scotch
You know I told you
You could be classy
So why did you have to be so nasty
Remember the curls
Of the Deutscher girls
Lover of mine
From down the Rhine
I'll fill your bath with
The finest champagne
I'll lick your skin dry
I cherish your name
The stakes get higher
As your dress sparsely
So why did you have to be so nasty
Remember the curls
Of the Deutscher girls
Lover of mine
From down the Rhine
I love your blonde hair
I kiss your pigtails
And I could not share
The scratch of your nails
And though you mock me
Your eyes so glassy
Oh why did you have to be so nasty
I said remember the curls
Of the Deutscher girls
Lover of mine from down the Rhine
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on July 02, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
Predictions for today?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 02, 2019, 05:13:02 PM
I was very pleased to note that every Swedish player had blonde hair when I saw a bit of their game the other day.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 02, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
Having such an attacking full back in the 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 England play really stretches the opposition defence. It does though require a very disciplined defensive midfielder to drop in and cover for a counter if the ball is given away.


When you have spent a whole season home and away watching a left back as magnificent as the late great Bernie Gallagher as I did in 1987-1988 it is hard to ever be impressed by any other full back.  ;)

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 02, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
Bad news England goalie Bardsley out with an injury.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
I was very pleased to note that every Swedish player had blonde hair when I saw a bit of their game the other day.
But were they real blondes?
I saw a picture recently of a Swedish friend on Facebook and had difficulty recognising her. She had absolutely golden blonde hair down to her waist and she dyed it red. When I enquired why she said she got fed up of looking beige🤔
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
Predictions for today?
2-0 to the Lionesses.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 07:58:01 PM
I think 3-1 USA, while we have a chance I can't help but think they'll punish more of the defensive mistake we seem to make each game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 02, 2019, 08:07:27 PM
And we also have an under cooked goalie playing.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:10:43 PM
There's the first.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: VillaAlways on July 02, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
I think this could be a cricket score. England all over the shop
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Small Rodent on July 02, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
Doesn’t look good.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 08:13:17 PM
Piss poor start by England and USA in control.

Question marks over the replacement keeper for the goal or just a well placed header that would have also beaten Bardsley?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
Poor goal in the men's game but with the size of most of the women players I reckon it would have gone in against most keepers.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 08:14:56 PM
This Millie Bright is a liability, I know it's early yet but I think it's going to be a long night.  Bright is slow and lacks positional awareness.  That said, she wasn't the only one for that goal.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
Bright has been the weak link at the back all tournament.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 08:19:19 PM
Ooooh hang on! :)
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: VillaAlways on July 02, 2019, 08:19:34 PM
Yessss
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 08:19:36 PM
And we're back.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:20:45 PM
Always felt we'd score, just need to sort ourselves out defensively.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Small Rodent on July 02, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
A goal reminiscent of our Wesley.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 08:29:06 PM
That was a spectacular finish. US seem to have a bit more about them but we've got a lot of quality on the break, Lucy Bronze is an excellent full back.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
And there we go again.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Feck.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ktvillan on July 02, 2019, 08:37:55 PM
Just like watching England's men, so many unforced basic errors.  Bronze has been pretty poor I think.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on July 02, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Fucked off with Pearce and Sue Smith, 5Live commentary available on thr red button.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:42:37 PM
Fucked off with Pearce and Sue Smith, 5Live commentary available on thr red button.

That sodding band have managed the rarity of being something more fecking annoying to listen to than Pearce.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 08:47:27 PM
Fucked off with Pearce and Sue Smith, 5Live commentary available on thr red button.

I'm impressed that they've found someone as annoying as Pearce to commentate with him. Her trying to defend the Millie Bright yellow card was particularly uncomfortable.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
All I can ever think of when Hope Solo is on screen is that her vag looks like a Doctor Who monster.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
One goal down, 45 to go, still in it. I'll take that. Massive half time, this.

Aaaand just seen the replay of the opener, I'd missed the first 15 minutes. That's fucking well shit from Bronze, she'd even looked to see where the runner was.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
We've not been awful but playing against a side as good as the US we've looked really second rate.  They made the point on air about the US players' athleticism and they're right: all of theirs look like middle-distance runners, some of ours look like contract cleaners.  The worst offender tonight has been Millie Bright: she gives the ball away a lot, her clearing headers drop to the opposition and she just doesn't look fit.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
All I can ever think of when Hope Solo is on screen is that her vag looks like a Doctor Who monster.
Tweet that to #bbcsport.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 08:56:19 PM
All I can ever think of when Hope Solo is on screen is that her vag looks like a Doctor Who monster.

Any one in particular? Ood?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we scored again but I just can't see us stopping them scoring at least a couple more.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 08:57:53 PM
Although, the ood weren't monsters.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 08:57:56 PM
We've not been awful but playing against a side as good as the US we've looked really second rate.  They made the point on air about the US players' athleticism and they're right: all of theirs look like middle-distance runners, some of ours look like contract cleaners.  The worst offender tonight has been Millie Bright: she gives the ball away a lot, her clearing headers drop to the opposition and she just doesn't look fit.

Our left back is the worst for this, she looks like she's running through treacle compared to their right winger. I'd also agree that Bright has been poor and Bronze should've done better for their first (I'd missed that goal earlier but I still think she's our best player).
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on July 02, 2019, 09:00:28 PM
The Mrs, her who insists that she must have a seat in the pub for every big game when England are playing, has fucked off upstairs for Love Island.
She'll forget next summer but I'll remember. And the whole bastard pub will hear it!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 09:00:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we scored again but I just can't see us stopping them scoring at least a couple more.

Ya bastid. I've just soddin remembered, I was going to have a bet on us to win 3-2, mostly on the basis that i reckoned we'd never stop them scoring twice.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:01:15 PM
From what i've seen we're probably the second or third best side at the tournament, and we still look like we could get a bit of a pasting. Which says more about how much better the US are compared to everyone else.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
Our left back is the worst for this, she looks like she's running through treacle compared to their right winger. I'd also agree that Bright has been poor and Bronze should've done better for their first (I'd missed that goal earlier but I still think she's our best player).
Yep, Demi Stokes.  Not been up to it so far.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
They are, but it's a lot like mens football from 20-30 years ago, they're big, quick, fit and strong and get loads of crosses into the box. It's been effective most of the tournament but more physical fullbacks and wide players helping them out would've forced a change of tactics.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:09:57 PM
The one american (who got booked for catching Bronze with an elbow) seems to have mastered the art of shit-housery.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
Another mistake another escape.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 09:17:55 PM
STOP. FUCKING. PANICKING.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Poor from the keeper but it's Stokes that's really scaring me, she's so slow compared to the their right sided players it's scary. If she manages to stand them up she's fine but in a flat race she's getting ripped apart.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: thick_mike on July 02, 2019, 09:23:49 PM
Mrs Kane scores again!

Or...?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 09:24:38 PM
Offside I reckon
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
Like a knife through butter but think it'll be offside.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: thick_mike on July 02, 2019, 09:24:45 PM
Boooo!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
Great goal, hope this doesn't get disallowed, looks a really tight one to me.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
Pearce and technology brings back funny memories.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:26:07 PM
Hooray for VAR. ‘half a boot offside’.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:26:18 PM
Fcukin VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:28:27 PM
Tell me that was the ‘right’ decision. She absolutely did the defender and if she was 6 inches the other way she’d still have done her. I don’t think that’s what the offside rule is for.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
The lines across the pitch made that look much clearer than it was because they went by her hand not her feet/body, I hope that's not been part of the decision.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
VAR gets it right again, unfortunately.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Hinckley Dave on July 02, 2019, 09:31:58 PM
VAR is so right...I think it's wrong. If that makes sense?! I'm 100% against it and everything it brings to the game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 09:34:44 PM
I can see the point of VAR, but they need to change offside so that any part of the attacking player being onside means that they're onside. People will stop turning up if the game is littered with such anticlimaxes.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:36:35 PM
The lines across the pitch made that look much clearer than it was because they went by her hand not her feet/body, I hope that's not been part of the decision.
Just watched it back and the VAR line for White was to her elbow. All of these marginal VAR offside decisions are bolx.

...and that should have been a penalty but not gone to VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:37:39 PM
I can see the point of VAR, but they need to change offside so that any part of the attacking player being onside means that they're onside. People will stop turning up if the game is littered with such anticlimaxes.
Completely 100% agree with this.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
She was offside and not a pen imo, much as i'd prefer it to be otherwise.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 02, 2019, 09:38:34 PM
The ‘clear and obvious mistake’ bit is the problem in my opinion. 
Even this decision, any contact is negligible.  Get on with it!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 02, 2019, 09:38:58 PM
I didn't think that was a pen tbh
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 02, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
I can see the point of VAR, but they need to change offside so that any part of the attacking player being onside means that they're onside. People will stop turning up if the game is littered with such anticlimaxes.
Completely 100% agree with this.

Seems sensible
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
The penalty one is really interesting because there's definitely accidental contact which puts her off but it's a really harsh penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:39:26 PM
Well that angle shows there was a touch, not sure it should be a pen but here's hoping.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
Penalty. Come on England.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 02, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
If it’s necessary to watch it that many times it is not a clear and obvious mistake imo.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
Bet you all love VAR now!!  ;D
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
I thought she missed the ball completely.  And that was a terrible penalty, England are beating themselves.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on July 02, 2019, 09:40:38 PM
That was an under8’s penalty... terrible
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 02, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
Well that was shit.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:41:04 PM
Fucks sake.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:41:26 PM
It's really tough, because if you disallow one for a marginal offside which you could never spot in real time then you have to give a penalty for the slightest contact.

Fucking awful penalty though so it was academic anyway.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: VillaAlways on July 02, 2019, 09:41:29 PM
Absolutely knew she’d miss
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:41:33 PM
Fucks sake.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:42:40 PM
Second yellow. Bright off.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on July 02, 2019, 09:42:41 PM
Never a pen, and a ridiculous process to get to that decision.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
Harsh yellow.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: VillaAlways on July 02, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
Well that’s that then
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:43:19 PM
Fucking awful challenge.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:44:23 PM
Actually yeah it was quite bad.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 09:44:26 PM
That was a yellow all day long
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Bright is a pure donkey of a player, there has to be better than her.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
I’m splitting hairs here but I hate the way the US fans cheers the wrong way at the wrong times.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:45:38 PM
There's got to be at least 7 minutes additional time with these VAR stoppages?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:46:41 PM
7 minutes on the dot!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
They're a better team than us but we should be going to extra time, there's just no excuse for such a poor penalty at a key time, not sure why it was centre back taking it, that always makes me nervous.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
Good call there.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Nev on July 02, 2019, 09:48:11 PM
US player blatantly dives. No VAR for that? Fuckin' joke. A far more intentional way of illegally seeking to gain an advantage than an accidental clash of legs.
It's bollocks.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2019, 09:48:39 PM
Bright is a pure donkey of a player, there has to be better than her.

Don't understand her being a regular at all, been dodgy in the other games, can hardly pass and back up CB is a regular at Arsenal who won WSL.

All in all a typical semi final for England. Missed penalties, other near misses and stupid play. Just like old times this.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
They're a better team than us but we should be going to extra time, there's just no excuse for such a poor penalty at a key time, not sure why it was centre back taking it, that always makes me nervous.

I guess Parris has missed a few. There seem to be loads of missed pens in women’s football don’t understand why they don’t just go for top corner, the smaller keepers would struggle.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
England's biggest problem, as it has been all competition has been their piss-poor passing. 
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ktvillan on July 02, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
Again just like watching the England Men, excellently crafted goal ruled out for the most marginal of offsides, shite penalty, then a  brainless sending off.  USA have been lucky that England decided to self destruct.

Several of the US players have mastered the art of drawing a touch and then going down to an apparent sniper shot. 
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:51:11 PM
Diving fanny’s.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Again just like watching the England Men, excellently crafted goal ruled out for the most marginal of offsides, shite penalty, then a  brainless sending off.  USA have been lucky that England decided to self destruct.

Several of the US players have mastered the art of drawing a touch and then going down to an apparent sniper shot. 

As I mentioned earlier, their 9 is a master of that.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:54:48 PM
No shame in that think we’ve definitely been the second best team in this tournament. Expect USA to iron out whoever makes the final in a one sided yawn fest.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: German James on July 02, 2019, 09:55:51 PM
England's biggest problem, as it has been all competition has been their piss-poor passing. 
This is the first game I've had time to watch all the way through and the passing would disgrace a pub team. If it's been like this all the time, I'm amazed they got this far!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:56:18 PM
Missed opportunity for self destructing England but unfortunately the better team went through in the end.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 02, 2019, 09:57:01 PM
Again just like watching the England Men, excellently crafted goal ruled out for the most marginal of offsides, shite penalty, then a  brainless sending off.  USA have been lucky that England decided to self destruct.

Several of the US players have mastered the art of drawing a touch and then going down to an apparent sniper shot. 

It was offside, close but still offside. USA were the overall better team.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 09:57:16 PM
In fairness the USA were pressing all game, fit and well drilled, which forced errors.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 02, 2019, 09:57:26 PM
USA stronger and fitter, and England just too sloppy at times. The extra years of proffessionalism showed.

The double jeopardy rule is a load of bollocks though and needs scrapping pronto. Without the foul, the English player would have scored 100%. Conceding the penalty just gives you a chance for the taker to miss, and the defender knows they won't be sent off.

I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: German James on July 02, 2019, 09:59:01 PM
I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Considering she swung her foot at it and missed completely, I wouldn't say a goal was highly likely!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 09:59:16 PM
England's biggest problem, as it has been all competition has been their piss-poor passing. 
This is the first game I've had time to watch all the way through and the passing would disgrace a pub team. If it's been like this all the time, I'm amazed they got this far!
I don't want to be disrespectful to women football, but the passing and basic errors have been shocking at times by a lot of teams all the way through the tournament.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 09:59:19 PM
That's the worst passage of play I've ever seen from a team chasing an injury time equaliser, let alone one in a WC semi-final.  It was staggeringly inept.

Ellen White can hold her head up and, despite the penalty miss, so can Steph Houghton.  Daly and Scott had decent games but the rest were poor really.  Stokes, Bright and Parris offered almost nothing except ill discipline.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 10:00:02 PM
If someone clips your foot when you’re lining up a shot that’s probably a factor though, no?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 10:02:28 PM
I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Considering she swung her foot at it and missed completely, I wouldn't say a goal was highly likely!
She only missed the ball because the marginal contact made was sufficient enough to impact the trajectory of her leg. It was minimal but it was clearly enough as per the 1001 replays required to make the decision to award the penalty.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:02:49 PM
USA are not an easy team to like.  Which probably bothers them not at all and is mostly because they win so regularly.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 10:03:02 PM
If someone clips your foot when you’re lining up a shot that’s probably a factor though, no?

Indeed.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 02, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
The better team won from what I saw - I was on th phone with our lawyer for a chunk of the first half.

Some self destruct work by England - poor decision making and passing at times, and foul throws are awful at any time, but particularly in injury time. Can’t understand why Ellen White didn’t take the penalty ( I know that Parris has missed two, but you would think they would have a few back up takers).

The USA were much more astute and their pressure on England paid off with forced errors. I always felt their superior athleticism would win it for them.

C
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 02, 2019, 10:04:57 PM
Piss poor penalty but you have to admire her for even being at the finals with her husbands diagnosis.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:05:11 PM
Who is that tiny commentator between Alex Scott and Hope Solo?  She looks like the banjo player in Deliverance.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 02, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
From the beginning England made simple mistakes and gave the USA the initiative, sad to see diving in the women’s game and the Yanks the biggest cheats.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 02, 2019, 10:06:38 PM
USA deserved the win, but why does Step Houghton take the penalty, when there's Ellen White or Lucy Bronze.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:07:16 PM
USA deserved the win, but why does Step Houghton take the penalty, when there's Ellen White or Lucy Bronze.
Barry was off the field.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 02, 2019, 10:07:58 PM
USA are just class. Hats off to them.

But England did us proud in this tournament and they've inspired  and captured the imagination of young, aspiring footballers.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: CT Villan on July 02, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
Well my 8 yr old American daughter is a tad happy...she can sleep in the chicken coop tonight !!!

Definite penalty, very poorly taken. The offside looked very, very tight and within the margin of error of freezing the frame when the ball is passed.

Unlucky for England, but too much sloppy play throughout the tournament and tonight was no different. If they tidy that up, then the future looks bright - just not Millie Bright.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 02, 2019, 10:10:08 PM
The USA being good at football still doesn’t compute. It’s like Great Britain winning Olympic basketball gold or something.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 02, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Considering she swung her foot at it and missed completely, I wouldn't say a goal was highly likely!


She'd taken the other 2 chances she had easily (admittedly one was offside). Without the foul I cannot see her missing that.

My point was more a general one though. The penalty try system works in Rugby, its well overdue to have something similar in football.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 02, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Considering she swung her foot at it and missed completely, I wouldn't say a goal was highly likely!


She'd taken the other 2 chances she had easily (admittedly one was offside). Without the foul I cannot see her missing that.

My point was more a general one though. The penalty try system works in Rugby, its well overdue to have something similar in football.

No thanks.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 02, 2019, 10:20:18 PM
At least we're spared Phil Neville getting knighted, which would have happened if we'd won the Cup.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2019, 10:22:12 PM
We need some viagra as we manage a semi easily enough but nothing beyond that.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 02, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
Love Island, rather than the football, appears to be more popular with the female population in my house.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 02, 2019, 10:22:47 PM
I'd go further, and in circumstances where a goal is highly likely to have been scored, just award a goal.
Considering she swung her foot at it and missed completely, I wouldn't say a goal was highly likely!


She'd taken the other 2 chances she had easily (admittedly one was offside). Without the foul I cannot see her missing that.

My point was more a general one though. The penalty try system works in Rugby, its well overdue to have something similar in football.

No thanks.

One or the other (Preferably would be both). Either award a goal or scrap the bullshit double jeopardy rule where a defender cannot be sent off.

Its just too easy for defenders to cynically cheat under the current rule.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:25:38 PM
At least we're spared Phil Neville getting knighted, which would have happened if we'd won the Cup.
If he'd managed to get that lot to win a WC he'd have bloody well deserved it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:26:44 PM
One or the other (Preferably would be both). Either award a goal or scrap the bullshit double jeopardy rule where a defender cannot be sent off.

Its just too easy for defenders to cynically cheat under the current rule.
I've always thought the attacking side should have the choice of a pen or sending off.  Trouble is, not all pens are sending off offences.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Rudy65 on July 02, 2019, 10:27:32 PM
Who is that tiny commentator between Alex Scott and Hope Solo?  She looks like the banjo player in Deliverance.

Arguably our best midfielder, Jordan Nobbs who was injured and out of the tournament. She says you’re no looker either
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2019, 10:28:14 PM
I don't mind him, tbh.

Edit: Neville, that is. Should have pressed "Send" before all those extra posts arrived.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Well, I'm genuinely gutted. Yeah, the yanks are a different class, and our right side weren't really at it, and yadeyadeyadeh, but I'm proper disappointed. Coulda done them. And I'm in Edinburgh, so I had the pleasure of the company of loads of know-nothing-about-football yanks joining in with the indigenous population.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2019, 10:31:12 PM
The USA being good at football still doesn’t compute. It’s like Great Britain winning Olympic basketball gold or something.

We won ice hockey gold once, that's strange enough!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:36:14 PM
Who is that tiny commentator between Alex Scott and Hope Solo?  She looks like the banjo player in Deliverance.

Arguably our best midfielder, Jordan Nobbs who was injured and out of the tournament. She says you’re no looker either
She's right.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 02, 2019, 10:36:59 PM
One or the other (Preferably would be both). Either award a goal or scrap the bullshit double jeopardy rule where a defender cannot be sent off.

Its just too easy for defenders to cynically cheat under the current rule.
I've always thought the attacking side should have the choice of a pen or sending off.  Trouble is, not all pens are sending off offences.

True, and a foul corner of the box is obviously not the same as bringing someone who is clean through down, or handling it on the line like Suarez did against Ghana in 2010.

Think they've created far more problems than they've solved with this new rule.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Villa75 on July 02, 2019, 10:48:20 PM
I watched that out of patriotism but, fuck me, the standard is shit. Absolutely littered throughout with basic mistakes, from both sides. Are these really two of the best women's teams in the world!?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
I am afraid the better team won. No point is moaning about  the decisions. Both teams were on the wrong end of VAR.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ktvillan on July 02, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
The contact, however marginal,  was enough to deflect White's leg from making contact with the ball.  I actually thought England were the better side second half and created better chances.  First half was USA's by miles but a lot of that was because England kept fucking up.    Scott looked a very decent player, as did White but didn't think Lucy Bronze was all that.  USA  like a bit of gamesmanship or gameswomanship - ok shithousery - which wasn't good to see.  I think they were slightly lucky to be honest, with White's very marginal offside and a penalty my 10 year old daughter would be embarrassed by.  They were a bit rattled I reckon and the sending off saved them form a very nervy last few minutes.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 02, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
The lulz when Neville talks about going down to ten men.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 02, 2019, 10:52:06 PM
Disappointing
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: usav on July 03, 2019, 03:20:03 AM
The USA being good at football still doesn’t compute. It’s like Great Britain winning Olympic basketball gold or something.

If you lived here it would make sense.   If America likes anything, they like a winner and this  team are consistent in that regard.  Also, the men’s side of the game suffers from all the best athletes being “forced” into other sports in high school, that doesn’t happen so much on the girls side, where football is the biggest team sport will get to play.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 03, 2019, 08:43:56 AM
They were the better team. They were also cheating bastards throughout. I didn't enjoy watching it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 03, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
One thing that I don't understand with the American team is how they manage to play so many games. They are playing twenty to thirty matches every season, even when it's not a World Cup or Olympic year. One woman has 354 caps!

Do they just not bother playing for their clubs?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Tugby Villain on July 03, 2019, 10:00:58 AM
A point about the double-jeopardy rule as there seems to be confusion.

It's only a yellow card for denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity if the foul is unintentional - i.e. a clear attempt is made to play the ball or contact is unavoidable.

It's a red card if the obvious goal-scoring opportunity is denied intentionally - this includes shirt pulls, handballs (e.g. Suarez), tackles when there isn't an attempt to tackle and the only aim is to hack.

This was introduced to allow defenders to make a genuine attempt at the ball in the box, which previously they couldn't really, because of the risk of  a red card.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 03, 2019, 10:11:19 AM
The lulz when Neville talks about going down to ten men.

I picked up on that. You would think he would have been in charge long enough to say ten women or ten players.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 10:25:58 AM
The lulz when Neville talks about going down to ten men.

I picked up on that. You would think he would have been in charge long enough to say ten women or ten players.



He's probably had 30+ years of having it referred to as "going down to ten men" and it slipped out.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
We got what we deserved, the lack of fitness and instances of basic mistakes in every passage of play were unworthy of a semi-final.

VAR is a mess, if the ref has to look at replays for five minutes she’s hardly made a clear mistake not to give it in the first place.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cheadlevilla on July 03, 2019, 08:53:31 PM
I reckon this will be the last WC where the USA players (the best in the wirld) will be able to play for the North Carolina Beavers , or the NewJersey Popcorn. The best teams in the world are going to start really investing in this form of Football and paying the wages to get the best players in the world
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
Just watched the terrible first half of  Dutch v Swedes semi. My eyes are bleeding from the experience...
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 03, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
Enlivened only by Pearce’s co-commentator’s splendid Colemanballs when exhorting a Swedish defender to “open her legs and just go”.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: German James on July 03, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
Fuck my old rubber boots, Pearce is a twat of almost Piers Morgen proportions!
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 03, 2019, 10:11:02 PM
That was a decent goal from the Dutch considering the stage of the game.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 10:36:24 PM
Yes well taken goal and it's going to decide the losing finalist.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 03, 2019, 10:43:29 PM
Fuck my old rubber boots, Pearce is a twat of almost Piers Morgen proportions!

Isn’t he just. Name checking famous rock stars, what’s that all about?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2019, 06:58:15 PM
At what level would the USA women’s team compete if they played in the men’s game in the UK?

I reckon 4th division or lower.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
I don't think they'd compete with any professional team.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: nigel on July 05, 2019, 10:35:53 PM
I don't think they'd compete with any professional team.

I heard that a high school boys team gave them a beating in a warm up game. Don't know how true, though.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2019, 10:38:21 PM
They lost 5-2 to the Dallas U15 side a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 12:35:32 AM
They lost 5-2 to the Dallas U15 side a couple of years ago.
Amazing.
And sort of shocking. It also speaks to the demand to have wage parity.


Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2019, 03:04:38 AM
They lost 5-2 to the Dallas U15 side a couple of years ago.

In fairness, that seems to have basically been a kickaround training session and they weren't trying too hard.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
England looking worse defensively without Demi Stokes and Millie Bright, which I didn't think was possible.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2019, 04:31:57 PM
I don't think they'd compete with any professional team.

They wouldn't.  People should just stop comparing them to be honest.  They'd lose to most clubs' U15 YTS teams.  Not because they're not good players, but because the difference in speed, strength and power would just be too much.  Can you imagine Mings going in for a full bloodied challenge on one of them.  Alex Morgan is about 5'6" and 9 and a bit stone.  Mings is 6'4" and nearly 14 stone.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 04:40:12 PM
Mings is 6'4" and nearly 14 stone.
He'd bounce off Millie Bright.  But as you say the comparison is invidious: it's effectively a different sport.  They're not trying to determine who the best football team is, they're trying to determine who the best women's football is.

Also, England have another goal ruled out for a minute infringement.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Yep as I posted in the VAR thread that decision was bollocks. A debatable handball in light of the new rules and another example of slow motion replays giving a false sense of intent. VAR in its current form is ruining football.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
VAR in its current form is ruining football.
That's a bit melodramatic but yes VAR does need adjusting.  It may be that because VAR is showing up rules infringements (big or small) in so many goals that the rules themselves have to be adjusted.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2019, 04:48:06 PM
Don’t you think VAR is ruining games then? This one has had the life sucked out of it and I’m sticking the tennis on.

I can think of a single game in this tournament that hasn’t been lessened by VAR related delays and decisions.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 04:51:51 PM
Don’t you think VAR is ruining games then? This one has had the life sucked out of it and I’m sticking the tennis on.

I can think of a single game in this tournament that hasn’t been lessened by VAR related delays and decisions.
Ruining them, no.  There's only been one instance in this game.  This is one of the biggest changes to football in years and everyone's going to have to be a bit patient.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2019, 04:54:13 PM
OK, noted. I have to be less impatient and less melodramatic *eyeroll*
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 04:59:21 PM
That's a rule for life right there.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
Are you available for life coaching? You’d clean up with those jaw dropping original nuggets of wisdom.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
I am but it'll only work when you're ready to believe.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 05:39:36 PM
England looking laboured in the second half.  It's a pity things have fizzled out for them this week.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 06, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
England weren’t good enough. Defensive errors, poor decision making with a lack of creativity too. Sweden had twice as many shots on target as England and deserved to win.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
Yep, apart from the last 15 minutes of the first half we just weren't good enough today.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: PeterWithe on July 07, 2019, 07:54:16 AM
England weren’t good enough. Defensive errors, poor decision making with a lack of creativity too. Sweden had twice as many shots on target as England and deserved to win.

I read a book recently about football statistics, the team with more shots on target wins less than half the time.

Sorry, carry on.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2019, 08:44:07 AM
I don't think they'd compete with any professional team.

They wouldn't.  People should just stop comparing them to be honest.  They'd lose to most clubs' U15 YTS teams.  Not because they're not good players, but because the difference in speed, strength and power would just be too much.  Can you imagine Mings going in for a full bloodied challenge on one of them.  Alex Morgan is about 5'6" and 9 and a bit stone.  Mings is 6'4" and nearly 14 stone.
That's just about how it is. If  I watch the game and treat it as normal football than it's terrible. I enjoyed the games more when I stopped comparing it.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2019, 08:46:29 AM
What was Houghton doing for their second goal? She almost stood still way deep in the area with  the penalty avoidance stance giving the Swedish attacker all the time and space to pick her place.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 09:49:14 AM
The defending for the first goal was farcical.  I've honestly been trying to enjoy the football for what it is, rather than comparing it to the men's game, but it's difficult to get past the feeling that it's like watching a non-league game on TV.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: SteveN on July 07, 2019, 11:45:30 AM
The defending for the first goal was farcical.  I've honestly been trying to enjoy the football for what it is, rather than comparing it to the men's game, but it's difficult to get past the feeling that it's like watching a non-league game on TV.

That's my take on it.  From what I have seen there are only a handful of players who have the "feel and instinct" of a decent football player - Bronze, Morgan and the number 10 from Norway come to mind.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2019, 11:52:04 AM
The defending for the first goal was farcical.  I've honestly been trying to enjoy the football for what it is, rather than comparing it to the men's game, but it's difficult to get past the feeling that it's like watching a non-league game on TV.

That's my take on it.  From what I have seen there are only a handful of players who have the "feel and instinct" of a decent football player - Bronze, Morgan and the number 10 from Norway come to mind.
That's very harsh on Ellen White.  She's a superb forward.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 12:07:49 PM
She is. But points deducted for her shite celebration. Especially as she insists on doing it before she knows whether her goal counts.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2019, 12:18:24 PM
She is. But points deducted for her shite celebration. Especially as she insists on doing it before she knows whether her goal counts.
It's a shocker.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 02:07:50 PM
Is there any chance that Holland could win today?.
It’s the only Reason to watch it
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
Be nice if the Dutch could win it, but I can't see past the Yankettes.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
Decent effort from the Dutch so far, looking solid and dangerous on the break, although they’ve started to ride their luck a bit. Keeper is playing a blinder.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 04:40:32 PM
Looking a matter of time until TGS take the lead.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 04:49:44 PM
Turned a bit at the end of the half. US getting frustrated and Dutch getting in behind them more.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 07, 2019, 05:00:56 PM
She is. But points deducted for her shite celebration. Especially as she insists on doing it before she knows whether her goal counts.
It's a shocker.

Points also deducted for not coming forward to take the penalty against USA.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Bugger.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
Half time came at a bad time for the Dutch. Hopefully they can make a game of this, if America score again it's all over.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Game over. The American girl fucking hit it while the Dutch girl had pissed about two minutes earlier.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 07, 2019, 09:17:55 PM
Fair play to the USA, they were excellent throughout.

Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: Lizz on July 07, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
I'm glad the USA won. Mainly because of Megan Rapinoe and the fact that she's majorly pissing off some people in the US. Childish moi? Absolutely.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 07, 2019, 10:14:10 PM
I can’t take this seriously whilst there is such an obvious gulf in talent between the yanks, the rest and the better of the rest with the also runs
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: KRS on July 07, 2019, 10:51:52 PM
Will the standard improve next time with the proposed additional 8 teams taking it to a 32 team
WWC?
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 11:22:11 PM
Yes. More and more countries are going to have professional leagues, and many of those that already have them will increase investment. Standards will continue to increase as a result.

The downside is that it means the Economic North countries are likely to get even further ahead of the poorer nations who have greater priorities than sport.
Title: Re: FIFA World Cup 2019
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 14, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
Like some on here, I only see four players that I think are really good; the rest I'd categorise as not good enough, or not consistent enough to rely on at this level.