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Title: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 05, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
Completely depends what division we are in.  I guess they are planning for both and also have FFP to consider if in the Championship. Plenty of players out of contract, Frederic Guilbert already on his way in. Mike Van Der Hoorn and Leroy Fer already linked from Swansea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 05, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
First of all see how many of the loan players we can sign permanently or loan again - I'd have any or all of them no matter which division we're in - Mings, Hause, Tuanzebe, El Ghazi, Tammy.

Then the priorities have to be another striker, a left back and a younger version of  Glenn Whelan. If we're in the Championship a creative replacement for Jack as he'll almost certainly be off, if we're in the Premier a sub of the same type so we're not so dependent on him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on May 05, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
Completely depends what division we are in.  I guess they are planning for both and also have FFP to consider if in the Championship. Plenty of players out of contract, Frederic Guilbert already on his way in. Mike Van Der Hoorn and Leroy Fer already linked from Swansea.
Mike VDH re signed new year long contract with swans last week thank god
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 05, 2019, 04:02:53 PM
well they activated a final year option, I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2019, 05:55:52 PM
IF we go up would love Daniel James from Swansea, exactly the sort of player we should be targeting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 06, 2019, 08:13:43 AM
Absolutely dependant on if we go up, but all of the loan guys.

Butland, Reece James, Tierney, Chalobah, Kalvin Phillips, Lolley, Daniel James are the type of player I'd be looking at.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2019, 08:21:29 AM
If we go up, I’d have a look at that left back from Fulham. Then tell the little bastard to enjoy life in The Championship!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on May 06, 2019, 08:28:29 AM
If we go up, I’d have a look at that left back from Fulham. Then tell the little bastard to enjoy life in The Championship!

After putting him through a medical and sitting him at a desk with a contract to sign.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on May 06, 2019, 10:51:45 AM
No point in this thread till we know our fate

Except we should sign Joe Lolley and hause whichever league we're in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2019, 11:07:49 AM
I like Hause but he does seem a bit injury prone. Same with Tuanzebe. I'd be happy loaning either, but not so sure about parting with ten million quid or so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on May 06, 2019, 11:19:09 AM
Tuanzebe is still raw and has injury troubles, wouldn't be paying any more than £4.5m for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2019, 12:15:45 PM
I like Hause but he does seem a bit injury prone. Same with Tuanzebe. I'd be happy loaning either, but not so sure about parting with ten million quid or so.

Wasn't the fee mentioned when he signed about 5m?

Would take a chance on that price, good at left back, still work in progress at CB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 06, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
Surprisingly, Hause looks a better player to me than Axel. Both injury prone though - AT's two seasons with us have both been significantly disrupted by injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 05:46:52 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2019, 07:53:14 PM
We will need to sort out the defensive midfield player to play with Jack and SJM, left back and right winger for me.

End of contract; Jedinak, Whelan, Richards, Hutton,  Elphick,  Bunn, De Laet,

Sell: Lansbury, Bree, Hogan, Kodjia (I'd keep him but I think we will get offers), BB, Taylor.

Likely offers:  Grealish, SJM?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 08:13:59 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?

I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 06, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?

I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.

Indeed. For comparison, some folk reckoned we'd get £15m for Chester last summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2019, 08:29:21 PM
I think Hause is a £4m buy out, El Ghazi is £5m?  If we have it to spend and we are still in this division, I'd do it.  Like others, hoping for Joe Lolley, Fer or Carroll as I think Smith will do well with them, Rico Henry if he can stay fit.  If we go up, Lolley.  The rest are Championship players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fasth56 on May 06, 2019, 08:29:26 PM
El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.

Paper reports are they want to get rid
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.

Paper reports are they want to get rid
They might want to but I'm sure they'll want to recoup some of the 8 million euros they paid, be it from Villa or another club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 08:32:03 PM
El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.

Paper reports are they want to get rid
They might want to but I'm sure they'll want to recoup some of the 8 million euros they paid, be it from Villa or another club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 08:38:52 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?

I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.

Hause has an agreed fee and it was reported in January as somewhere around £2-3m.

Then there's talk of El Ghazi being allowed to leave for free - This all comes from a story in l'equipe over in France - if not any agreed fee will be reasonable anyway, £3-4m at a guess.

Mings is more difficult, I suspect the fee we wanted to set in January was around the £3-4m mark but they wanted to keep options open if he did well. He did but his injury record will still be a concern so they'll be lucky to get the £8m they paid back.

So £10-12m if AEG is free going up to £15-16m if not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 06, 2019, 08:48:41 PM
I read at the time that El Ghazi was a loan with an option to buy at around £4 million.  If true then his club are hardly likely to come out mid season and claim that he's available on a free, especially as he's a regular in a top Championship side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 08:58:51 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?

I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.

Hause has an agreed fee and it was reported in January as somewhere around £2-3m.

Then there's talk of El Ghazi being allowed to leave for free - This all comes from a story in l'equipe over in France - if not any agreed fee will be reasonable anyway, £3-4m at a guess.

Mings is more difficult, I suspect the fee we wanted to set in January was around the £3-4m mark but they wanted to keep options open if he did well. He did but his injury record will still be a concern so they'll be lucky to get the £8m they paid back.

So £10-12m if AEG is free going up to £15-16m if not.
The El Gahzi on a free thing I don't get, surely he would of been on say a 3 year deal at Lille which started Jan 17. I think Mings will go back to Bournemouth ( maybe not if we do win the play offs ) but I can't see him going anywhere for less than £12 plus. Ben Gibson went to Burnley for £15, Mepham to Bournemouth for £12...Mings is better than both for me and you're going back to something like 2015 when he had a bad injury. Looks pretty much over any of that playing 2 matches a week for the last 5 months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
The rumour in January was that we wanted to set a fee of around £4m and they were holding out for more. We then have no real idea what the clause is because it's just termed as a matching option but there's a few things I'd suggest it isn't.

I doubt we'd have added a clause which gives us an option to match whatever anyone else offers, simply because it's pointless, the only way that one becomes of any value is if they have an obligation to inform us of the offers they get but even then given we have an existing relationship with him and his agent we'd get that anyway (assuming he wants to stay).

I therefore suspect that the agreement is that we can have him for a minimum of £xm but if anyone offers more we have to match that value. If that's right I suspect the minimum would be based on where he was in January, that's why I think £6-8m is realistic.

I guess we'll see in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 07, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Given that clubs are looking at Ake for big money, I'd be really surprised if Bournemouth don't decide to keep Mings.

But if we do go up and can sign him for anything like that, it would be incredible business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 07, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
i think Barbet from Brentford is Plan B, if we don't bag the Emperor
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 07, 2019, 04:29:55 PM
Does seem strange that we have let Green's contract run down. Steer and Elphick will surely have decent offers from other Championship clubs too.

Kodjia, Chester, Hourihane, AA, BB, Davis, Elmo all with only a year left on their contracts. Chester, Hourihane, Elmo and Davis surely worth keeping around if we are in the same division next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 07, 2019, 04:49:24 PM
Does seem strange that we have let Green's contract run down. Steer and Elphick will surely have decent offers from other Championship clubs too.

Kodjia, Chester, Hourihane, AA, BB, Davis, Elmo all with only a year left on their contracts. Chester, Hourihane, Elmo and Davis surely worth keeping around if we are in the same division next season.
I think it makes sense to wait and see what league we'll be playing in first before we start dishing out contracts and I'm sure that's what they're agents are waiting on to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 07, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 07, 2019, 09:19:11 PM
The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.

Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2019, 09:23:47 PM
The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.

Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.

I wonder if they feel they can offload Nyland before they offer Steer fresh terms?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 07, 2019, 09:28:49 PM
Steer's contract been extended in January till 2020, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 07, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.

Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
Well I hope the days of us dishing out contracts are long gone...it’s part of what’s got us into this financial mess in the first place. Contracts do need to be earned or “deserved” but Dean may think the likes of Conor wouldn’t be good enough in the Premier League. If we’re still in the Championship next season then I’d imagine Steer and Conor would both get contract extensions as they have proved themselves at this level...well for at least half a season in both cases.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 07, 2019, 10:15:46 PM
Steer's contract been extended in January till 2020, isn't it?

Yep.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/03/18/goalkeeper-jed-steer-agrees-contract-extension-at-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on May 08, 2019, 03:09:39 AM
The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.

Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
I'm pretty sure the club and players agents are waiting on where we will be by the end of the month. No point a player negotiating a championship wage now when he could get a premier league one in 3 weeks time. Also I would like to think we would go in for better too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 08, 2019, 05:50:50 AM
The keeper situation may also depend on who is shipped out in the summer...surely we can't be having Steer, Bunn, Nyland and Kalinic on the books going in to next season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 08, 2019, 07:07:13 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 08, 2019, 07:09:57 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 

He can fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 08, 2019, 07:13:13 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 

He can fuck off.

Lol, didn't think that would be a popular choice  :D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on May 08, 2019, 07:41:54 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 

He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 08, 2019, 08:15:51 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 

He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off

Pissed up and playing to the crowd would be my take.
He won't be there next season anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2019, 08:41:45 AM
They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.

It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.

Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on May 08, 2019, 09:32:32 AM
Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.

I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.

 

He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off

If we ever made an offer for him he would be over here like a shot. I'd be up for making an offer, getting him all the way to the point of signing and then tell him to f*ck off, burning his bridges with Small Heath whilst simultaneously reminding them of their place in the food chain.  Just imagine the reaction - it would be absolutely hilarious.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 08, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
There is absolutely zero chance of Tammy being here next season regardless of which division we are in. Chelsea have a transfer ban and they will also lose Higuain who is not exactly pulling up trees. This leaves them short of forwards and makes Hudson-Odoi and Abraham as their key first team squad players. So we need to plan without him. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2019, 10:11:13 AM
They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.

I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.

Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2019, 11:29:34 AM
If the shit hits the fan they'll be lucky to get six or seven million. Wouldn't mind Gayle if we stay down. Maybe switch to two up front as think he could work well with Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Edge on May 08, 2019, 11:39:42 AM
They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.

It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.

Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.
You cannot sign a player who is on a widely seen video singing "shit on the villa" Absolutely no way. He can fuck off and fuck of again the utter twat. Some of his compadres would have zero chance of making it big. But he has a chance and should be distancing himself from such classless garbage. There are NO excuses for his behaviour.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 08, 2019, 11:51:43 AM
We should make them an offer on deadline day. Bring him in for talks and tell him to go forth and multiply
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2019, 11:59:19 AM
this is all a bit tedious to be honest - rather like when we sing shit on the city constantly - although mercifully it hasn't been as prevalent at home games recently. I never think about Birmingham city so I don't really get all the dick waving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2019, 01:15:25 PM
this is all a bit tedious to be honest - rather like when we sing shit on the city constantly - although mercifully it hasn't been as prevalent at home games recently. I never think about Birmingham city so I don't really get all the dick waving.

We don't sing it that much away either, not constantly anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.

I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.

Apparently not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.

Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.

On the handful of times I've seen him play, Adams looks a real quality player. Strong as a bull, mobile, good technique and can play across the front line. A far better prospect than Gayle who has struggled to make the top division step up on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2019, 01:50:36 PM
A lot of clubs will be interested in signing him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WassallVillain on May 08, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.

Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.

On the handful of times I've seen him play, Adams looks a real quality player. Strong as a bull, mobile, good technique and can play across the front line.

I like him too. Has a Defoe like quality of always getting a shot away and invariably works the keeper. There will be plenty after him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 08, 2019, 03:48:41 PM
They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.

I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.

Apparently not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
Chelsea have about 45 players out on loan...FORTY FIVE!!!

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Chelsea have a number of high-profile players out on loan that they can call on, including Tammy Abraham (Aston Villa), Michy Batshuayi (Crystal Palace), Alvaro Morata (Atletico Madrid), Victor Moses (Fenerbahce), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund), Kenedy (Newcastle), Tiemoue Bakayoko (AC Milan) and Kurt Zouma (Everton).

They also have dozens of youth players out on loan.

"Every month I have a report on every player on loan; we have about 45," Sarri said.

"There are two or three players who have been out on loan this season who are interesting. I do not want to name names now. But the level they have been playing at must be considered."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eddiemunster on May 08, 2019, 04:25:55 PM
According to the Meaning Evil, we are in the running to sign just about everyone who is likely to be out of contract, or has professed an interest in leaving their club. Typical clickbait shite that is passed off as journalism.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 08, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
I was told by a contact today who is close to Burnley's Chairman that Burnley nearly signed Abraham on a permanent deal last summer but pulled out after the fitness test; they reckoned he needed a season in the C'ship to get more match fit ...
... just reporting what I heard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
According to the Meaning Evil, we are in the running to sign just about everyone who is likely to be out of contract, or has professed an interest in leaving their club. Typical clickbait shite that is passed off as journalism.

The press have no precedent of the type of players Smith will go for when he has a big budget so they're throwing around a list of players he'd have gone for at Brentford, Current Brentford players and young-ish players that might be available. January was the same, not a single paper came up with Guilbert until it was pretty much done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2019, 07:07:24 PM
They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.

I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.

Apparently not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945

I stand corrected. Ha ha ha ha ha.

(I still reckon we could get him if we go up)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 08, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 08, 2019, 07:48:04 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.

It will be a massive rebuilding job in the summer whatever happens.  I was resigned a couple of months ago to not going up, but am now really hoping we do and we get to see just how much financial muscle the owners have. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 08, 2019, 08:03:15 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.

The slight worry there is that's say 35m outlay just to stay at our current level before we even talk about bringing in squad improvements
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 08, 2019, 08:20:11 PM
They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.

It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.

Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.

As an inveterate romantic leftie, I quite like the idea of us having a Che.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 08:28:33 PM
If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Colhint on May 08, 2019, 08:43:14 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.

I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 08, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.

I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.

I can't see Axel being anywhere else other than Man U next season - They will certainly want a look at him close hand after 2 successful spells here.  It's like us letting Carlisle have Callum OHare because we don't want to risk him next season.

Man U have high hopes and expectations for Axel.

I wouldn't say that Mings would be in the bag either.  He is contracted to Bournemouth who may well feel that he's worth keeping next season.  The deciding factor could be Ming's bonding with both the club and the fans.  He appears to be loving his time here which is worth a lot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
2 successful spells? He played about 4 games for us last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 08, 2019, 09:16:26 PM
OK:

They will certainly want a look at him close hand after a successful spell here

Happy now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2019, 09:17:45 PM
Very happy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Colhint on May 08, 2019, 09:44:50 PM
Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.

I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.

I can't see Axel being anywhere else other than Man U next season - They will certainly want a look at him close hand after 2 successful spells here.  It's like us letting Carlisle have Callum OHare because we don't want to risk him next season.

Man U have high hopes and expectations for Axel.

I wouldn't say that Mings would be in the bag either.  He is contracted to Bournemouth who may well feel that he's worth keeping next season.  The deciding factor could be Ming's bonding with both the club and the fans.  He appears to be loving his time here which is worth a lot.

I suppose it's all about opinions. My guess is and I'm probably wrong. Is that what you say makes sense(not your opinion is wrong) I think is why not look at a good player see if he is good enough. I think that applies to every team outside the top 6, They can't wait. They have to have it now. They let Salah Pogba and De Bruyne go. Chelsea let Lukaku go cheap only for ManU to buy him for £75M later. So my take is Man U will pay £50m for a defender and if Axel does well they will buy him again for £50m later
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2019, 10:07:55 PM
I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United.  He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side.  He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous.  Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United.  IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2019, 10:14:21 PM
I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United.  He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side.  He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous.  Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United.  IMO.

Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.

*wink*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2019, 10:18:55 PM
I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United.  He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side.  He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous.  Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United.  IMO.

Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.

*wink*

I totally agree Paulie, but both cost a bit of money and I think that's what they will do again.  It will squeeze Axel out of the frame and I'd expect him to not wait around.  I reckon United will break the bank for Harry McGuire from Leicester. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on May 08, 2019, 10:25:04 PM
If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).

Not looking such a great defender now😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 10:57:05 PM
If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).

Not looking such a great defender now😉

it's all good, might help our chances!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.

I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.

Apparently not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945

I stand corrected. Ha ha ha ha ha.

(I still reckon we could get him if we go up)

It was great timing.

I think we  will too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eddiemunster on May 09, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Wonder if we will give a contract to  Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 09, 2019, 11:41:39 AM
nailed on if we don't sign Mings
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 09, 2019, 12:11:00 PM
Wonder if we will give a contract to  Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
Why would we want a player that Brentford didn't want?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: badminton on May 09, 2019, 12:31:59 PM
Wonder if we will give a contract to  Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
Why would we want a player that Brentford didn't want?
Brentford have a wage structure and will not break it for any player. It's likely Barbet wanted more than Brentford were prepared to offer. For what it's worth, he's a half-decent player but Villa could (and should) be aiming for a lot better if Mings isn't available.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 09, 2019, 12:55:21 PM
I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United.  He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side.  He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous.  Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United.  IMO.

Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.

*wink*

I totally agree Paulie, but both cost a bit of money and I think that's what they will do again.  It will squeeze Axel out of the frame and I'd expect him to not wait around.  I reckon United will break the bank for Harry McGuire from Leicester. 

It wouldn’t surprise me if Man Utd decide to loan Axel to a PL club next season to see how he copes at the top level before deciding if he’s good enough for their first team.

Hopefully us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
Here's a list that Dean / Jesus should be looking at closely for next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/may/10/chelsea-on-loan-players-recall-next-season-transfer-ban
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Here's a list that Dean / Jesus should be looking at closely for next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/may/10/chelsea-on-loan-players-recall-next-season-transfer-ban


I'd keep an eye on DaSilva, Mount and obviously Tammy from that list with Hudson-Odoi is the only other Chelsea player I'd be looking at.

On actual rumours there was one yesterday linking us to Erkan Eyibil at Mainz. He's only 17 and really highly rated apparently, seems to be based on us having a scout at a game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on May 10, 2019, 03:54:35 PM
If we're resigned to losing Tammy, Maupay should be forward target #1 whether we go up or not.

Fits Smith's style of play perfectly, great finisher, excellent link-up play (similar to Tammy in that regard), and has already publicly praised Smith in the media just after he left. Feel he'd be happy to join as long as we met Brentford's asking price.

He's the only one from that team other than maybe Sawyers that we should be actively trying to reunite with Smith, IMO.

Adams can do one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 11, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
Tuenzebe is definately good enough for the PL if he can stay fit. Probably not top 6 but someone inbetween a Palace and a Wolves this season and certainly too good for relegation fodder.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2019, 11:04:58 AM
James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north

Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 11, 2019, 04:57:57 PM
If we're resigned to losing Tammy, Maupay should be forward target #1 whether we go up or not.

Fits Smith's style of play perfectly, great finisher, excellent link-up play (similar to Tammy in that regard), and has already publicly praised Smith in the media just after he left. Feel he'd be happy to join as long as we met Brentford's asking price.

He's the only one from that team other than maybe Sawyers that we should be actively trying to reunite with Smith, IMO.

Adams can do one.

Rico Henry might be another.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 13, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 13, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any
I believe El Ghazi and Hause

There's a clause on Mings where we can match any offer - but that sounds meaninless to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any

Hause and El Ghazi as far as I'm aware pal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 13, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
thanks
some good options to think about there
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2019, 05:43:58 PM
James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north

Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
Team full of right backs, were just a team full of right backs, team full of right backs .........:)
Or , Six Villa right backs there's only six Villa right backs .....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2019, 06:06:58 PM
Seems silly to go for a new right-back when we could probably re-sign Micah on a bargain price of only £40k a week or so.

Surprised we haven't already moved to tie him up on a long-term deal before anyone else pounces.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
Seems silly to go for a new right-back when we could probably re-sign Micah on a bargain price of only £40k a week or so.

Surprised we haven't already moved to tie him up on a long-term deal before anyone else pounces.
We still need a Santa for the Christmas party......or club jester
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2019, 06:19:08 PM
His dressing room whimsy is second to none.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2019, 06:23:58 PM
James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north

Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.

It might not be true of course.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on May 13, 2019, 06:29:11 PM
Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on May 14, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!

Transfer window opens in two days time
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 14, 2019, 09:32:59 AM
James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north

Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.

It might not be true of course.

That was my general point. It's unlikely Dean would want to expand the collection.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on May 14, 2019, 09:35:27 AM
Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!

Transfer window opens in two days time
I know, it’s the tension getting to me. Can’t/won’t think about anything else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2019, 09:49:25 AM
Players whose contracts expire at the end of the season (from TransferMarkt)

Tammy Abraham   L
Anwar El Ghazi    L
Axel Tuanzebe    L
Tyrone Mings    L
Mile Jedinak   
Tommy Elphick   
Alan Hutton   
Glenn Whelan   
Kortney Hause     L
Andre Green
Micah Richards 
Jed Steer   
Mark Bunn   

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Priority has to be snapping up Micah before someone else does.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Players whose contracts expire at the end of the season (from TransferMarkt)

Tammy Abraham   L
Anwar El Ghazi    L
Axel Tuanzebe    L
Tyrone Mings    L
Mile Jedinak   
Tommy Elphick   
Alan Hutton   
Glenn Whelan   
Kortney Hause     L
Andre Green
Micah Richards 
Jed Steer   
Mark Bunn

I's play

Steer

Hutton Mings Tuanzebe Elphick Hause

Green Whelan Jedinak

El Ghazi

Abraham 

So no, Richards and Bunn still wouldn't get a game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Steer and Green shouldn't be on that list, both are contracted for another year.

All the other non-loans can go, only Whelan gets near the starting line-up and he's too old to get a new deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2019, 10:39:40 AM
Steer and Green shouldn't be on that list, both are contracted for another year.

All the other non-loans can go, only Whelan gets near the starting line-up and he's too old to get a new deal.

If we don't go up, then Whelan might be worth another year as a squad player.  We definitely need to bring in a defensive midfielder whatever happens, but Whelan would be OK filling in here and there for a season.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eddiemunster on May 14, 2019, 10:46:10 AM
Edited to include U23 and Academy players out of contract at end of season.

Tammy Abraham   L
Anwar El Ghazi    L
Axel Tuanzebe    L
Tyrone Mings    L
Mile Jedinak   
Tommy Elphick   
Alan Hutton   
Glenn Whelan   
Kortney Hause     L
Andre Green
Micah Richards 
Jed Steer   
Mark Bunn
Ben Guy
Callum Rowe
Charlie Farr
Charlie McConnachie
Colin Odutayo
Dimitri Sea
Easah Suliman
Ethan Patterson
Indiana Vassilev
Isiah Bazeley-Graham
Jack Clarke
Luke Ige
Mungo Bridge
Ritchie De Laet
Sam Lomax
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2019, 11:56:46 AM
Please don't let Indiana Vassilev go 😢
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 14, 2019, 12:52:01 PM
Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.

Get in!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 14, 2019, 01:05:29 PM
Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
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Trump that!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
I have thought they'd have waited till the Summertime ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2019, 07:12:14 PM
My Priority has to be snapping Micah before someone else does.


I have fixed that for you matey.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 15, 2019, 12:06:26 AM
Mings, Abraham, Hause on permanent.

Tierney from Celtic.

I will think about who else I'd like to see us sign.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2019, 12:15:13 AM
Bale.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2019, 12:19:51 AM
Mings is fucking brilliant, a proper leader and a great player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2019, 12:41:23 AM
Mings, Abraham, Hause on permanent.

Tierney from Celtic.

I will think about who else I'd like to see us sign.

Tierney is a great shout.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2019, 12:41:53 AM
And the others too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on May 15, 2019, 07:37:55 AM
Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on May 15, 2019, 08:02:39 AM
Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
Tammy needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the premier league. He would get owned by the likes of Van Dyke,Maguire, Tarkowski and the rest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2019, 09:16:29 AM
we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 15, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.
I believe a full scale rebuild would destroy the team togetherness - if we are patient (stop laughing at the back) - gradual quality replacements would be my preference.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2019, 11:08:08 AM
but we have to when you consider how many are out of contract and how many are not good enough. To me it's inescapable that major squad work is needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 15, 2019, 11:22:13 AM
but we have to when you consider how many are out of contract and how many are not good enough. To me it's inescapable that major squad work is needed.

Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.

Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: placeforparks on May 15, 2019, 12:21:31 PM
we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.

didn't do much good for fulham...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 15, 2019, 12:29:47 PM


Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.

Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Albert, Kodija, Hogan - really??!
Abraham - whose PL credentials I'd question - will probably go back to Chelsea.
AEH is probably not good enough and will probably go to his pappa at Sheff Wed.

If we go up, we're into a major rebuild; it has to happen early in the summer and be based on team/squad-building rather than bringing a few random players in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 15, 2019, 12:49:37 PM


Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.

Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Albert, Kodija, Hogan - really??!
Abraham - whose PL credentials I'd question - will probably go back to Chelsea.
AEH is probably not good enough and will probably go to his pappa at Sheff Wed.

If we go up, we're into a major rebuild; it has to happen early in the summer and be based on team/squad-building rather than bringing a few random players in.

It's not Football Manager. We aren't automatically going to be able to sell every single player that the fans would like to. We're going to shed a lot of dead weight already through contracts being up.

Neither are we likely to bring in 15-20 players. The likes of Taylor, Albert, AEH, Kodija, Green etc should go from being first team players to back-ups. We need to be bringing in a few good quality first team players not bit-part signings who might make the bench.

If you'd question Tammy's PL credentials, I'd question why you think Chelsea, a club in European competition, are going to want him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on May 18, 2019, 05:06:38 PM
 Bournemouth spent 13m on Bristol city LB today . My Contacts at the club suggest talks with villa re mings are ongoing but this signing should make it more likely than yesterday
Leroy fer captain of SWANSEA released today , wonder if we’ll go back in for him in the summer ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 18, 2019, 07:48:58 PM
Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.

This post needs some work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.

This post needs some work.

Not sure what happened there!!  I meant to say, it would be good if we don't have to (go back in for Fer, as we go up!).  Silly old bugger (me, that is).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on May 19, 2019, 01:14:31 AM
Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
Tammy needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the premier league. He would get owned by the likes of Van Dyke,Maguire, Tarkowski and the rest.

I thought exactly that too.A bit like Zaha has muscled up and seems to have improved as a result of it

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 19, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
What would people think to Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham? Already proved he's too good for the Championship and now he's had a taste of PL football he might be looking to get out. And he's only 19
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
What would people think to Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham? Already proved he's too good for the Championship and now he's had a taste of PL football he might be looking to get out. And he's only 19

Bigger fish are looking at him apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2019, 05:24:35 PM
There's no such thing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 19, 2019, 05:27:39 PM
Regarding Sessignon, a yes from me. He’s a very good player and has pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2019, 05:45:00 PM
He wants to move to Spurs.

That's the problem with not being in the prem for a year. Let's say we'd gone up last year, had the takeover happen and then established ourselves, we'd now be in a good position to attract likes of Sess and Daniel James and build a young team like we did in 2007.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2019, 05:47:47 PM
If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2019, 05:51:23 PM
Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.

So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).

If we're up this summer we should now have the people in place in the recruitment side to identify some of these young players in europe who are playing to good standard already.

There's a young Nigeria right winger at Villareal called Samuel Chukwueze who I watched v Real Madrid and Barca and he was brilliant in both games. Sort of player I'd like us to target and sign before one of the top 6 notices him, would be perfect for the prem with his direct play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 19, 2019, 06:08:48 PM
If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.

I doubt we'd still have Bruce but agree about Xia and Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
I've not heard of the player SHQ but it's certainly a troublesome position for us with Albert and Green unable to make much of a difference. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
He wants to move to Spurs.

That's the problem with not being in the prem for a year. Let's say we'd gone up last year, had the takeover happen and then established ourselves, we'd now be in a good position to attract likes of Sess and Daniel James and build a young team like we did in 2007.


There will always be young players around. I think these owners want to focus on young players and Smith's style of play will mean he will want to keep the average age down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2019, 11:48:28 PM
Think we need to see how next Monday pans out before we can start discussing potential targets.  Think there will be a stark difference in the type of players we are after depending on the result.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on May 20, 2019, 09:34:55 AM
Absolutely, this thread is irrelevant right now. May as well lock it till Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2019, 09:38:27 AM
If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.

And we'd probably be looking at life back in the Championship now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on May 20, 2019, 09:45:59 AM
I would agree we must wait until we find out what league we are in before buying players because whatever league we are in will decide what type of player we go for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2019, 12:41:28 PM
While I agree, the players will be different, the positions will be largely similar. Whatever happens we need 2 much more pacey wide forward options, a younger, more athletic holding midfield player that can play a bit, a left back and a player who can either come in for Jack or be sub for Jack when needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on May 20, 2019, 12:58:03 PM
Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.

So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).

I agree completely, but it's not even just the buy British policy, it's the lack of a transfer strategy beyond what MON and his assistants cooked up. I was looking at Jagielka and Baines at Everton, who both arrived in the same summer 12 years ago, aged in early 20s. Both have gone on to play 300-odd games, and earn 30-odd England caps. Compare and contrast against what we were bringing in at the same time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 20, 2019, 02:40:07 PM
El Gazhi has said that at least one PL club is interested in signing him - I thought we had a definite option to buy at the end of his loan agreement?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
Quote
Andy van der Meyde branded former club Everton 's***' as he urged Aston Villa star Anwar El Ghazi not to join them.

El Ghazi, who is on a season-long at Villa from Lille, revealed that a number of clubs are interested in signing him this summer.

The Villa winger claimed one of the clubs pursuing him is in the Premier League, but would not reveal which team it was.

Van der Meyde, who was present in the Voetbal Primeur studio as El Ghazi made the admission, advised him to stay well away from Everton.

The Dutchman, who spent four seasons at Everton between 2005-2009, said to El Ghazi, who was speaking to VTBL via facetime: 'Don't do it. What a s*** club. Don't do it! There you go broke. Just look at me.'

Van der Meyde moved to Merseyside after spending two seasons at Inter Milan, but failed to live up to expectations, eventually returning to his homeland with PSV.

He failed to score a single goal for the club and made just 24 appearances for the Toffees in all competitions during his time at Goodison Park.

El Ghazi, meanwhile, is this week preparing for Villa's play-off final against Derby on Monday.

The former Ajax winger has enjoyed a decent end to the season and could find himself in the Premier League with Villa next season with the club reportedly interested in making his move permanent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2019, 04:12:49 PM
Top 10 Champs players, according to the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/may/20/ten-championship-players-premier-league-clubs-have-on-radar-football
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
Top 10 Champs players, according to the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/may/20/ten-championship-players-premier-league-clubs-have-on-radar-football


No John McGinn, but 3 Brentford players. Slightly odd.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2019, 04:42:41 PM
While I agree, the players will be different, the positions will be largely similar. Whatever happens we need 2 much more pacey wide forward options, a younger, more athletic holding midfield player that can play a bit, a left back and a player who can either come in for Jack or be sub for Jack when needed.

Not sure how we will go with the wide options to be honest Jim.  We could look for players who like to tuck in a bit more and leave space outside for full-backs to bomb on.  I have not seen the French lad play, but we will definitely need a better option going forward at LB if we are going to play that way. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2019, 06:16:01 PM
I’ll be annoyed if El Ghazi leaves at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2019, 06:17:59 PM
I'd be disappointed but not annoyed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2019, 06:19:44 PM
Yeah perhaps frustrated would be a better word. Although if we go up I hope it’ll be a non issue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2019, 08:21:26 PM
I’ll be annoyed if El Ghazi leaves at the end of the season.

Slightly different type of player but I wonder if Jo Lolley would be a better option?  Entirely depends on where we are I guess. Definitely need a holding midfielder, left back and right winger, regardless of which division we are in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on May 20, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.

So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).

If we're up this summer we should now have the people in place in the recruitment side to identify some of these young players in europe who are playing to good standard already.

There's a young Nigeria right winger at Villareal called Samuel Chukwueze who I watched v Real Madrid and Barca and he was brilliant in both games. Sort of player I'd like us to target and sign before one of the top 6 notices him, would be perfect for the prem with his direct play.

afraid some very big fish are already sniffing around him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2019, 06:23:26 PM
Quote
Andy van der Meyde branded former club Everton 's***' as he urged Aston Villa star Anwar El Ghazi not to join them.

El Ghazi, who is on a season-long at Villa from Lille, revealed that a number of clubs are interested in signing him this summer.

The Villa winger claimed one of the clubs pursuing him is in the Premier League, but would not reveal which team it was.

Van der Meyde, who was present in the Voetbal Primeur studio as El Ghazi made the admission, advised him to stay well away from Everton.

The Dutchman, who spent four seasons at Everton between 2005-2009, said to El Ghazi, who was speaking to VTBL via facetime: 'Don't do it. What a s*** club. Don't do it! There you go broke. Just look at me.'

Van der Meyde moved to Merseyside after spending two seasons at Inter Milan, but failed to live up to expectations, eventually returning to his homeland with PSV.

He failed to score a single goal for the club and made just 24 appearances for the Toffees in all competitions during his time at Goodison Park.

El Ghazi, meanwhile, is this week preparing for Villa's play-off final against Derby on Monday.

The former Ajax winger has enjoyed a decent end to the season and could find himself in the Premier League with Villa next season with the club reportedly interested in making his move permanent.
I can only imagine the opinion Everton have of Andy Van Der Fat Fucker. lol. Absolute waster. Love it when lazy bastards go to a club and then blame said club for ruining their career. I'd imagine in a couple of years Ross McCormack will be making similarly warnings about us.

All that being said. I hope we sign El Ghazi on a permanent in the summer. I look at the top flight and what we have. If we manage to get Abraham on a permanent and Mings plus Hause (I think Tuanzebe will stay at Utd) then another 5-6 players would give us a good stab at finishing solidly. Below the top 6, honestly it's all much of a muchness. I don't want us to just fire out cash willy nilly and sign too many players. That doesn't work. You need a bit of consistency and a bit of carry over from the team that took you up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 22, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2019, 06:02:04 PM
He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.


I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2019, 08:46:11 PM
Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 22, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.


I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.

I can't see him leaving just yet.
He certainly won't leave if we go up
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 22, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.


I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.

Maybe we should give Micah another contract for his PL experience.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 22, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.

I think this lad is gonna be a big star, could be a steal, or could be bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 22, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.

Was close to joining in Jan so can see truth in this
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
Every man and his dog sniffing around.

£7.5m for talented English players is good value alas.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2019, 10:43:15 PM
Every man and his dog sniffing around.

£7.5m for talented English players is good value alas.

I presume a left back?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 23, 2019, 06:35:37 AM
All links are guesswork until we know what division we're playing in next season.

If we were to win next week then I would be very surprised if we paid £7.5 million for a kid with potential from League 1.  I suspect that we'll be trying to bring in a couple who have proved themselves in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2019, 01:57:41 PM
Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 23, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.


Who was his agent, was it his brother?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2019, 02:19:42 PM
Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.


Who was his agent, was it his brother?

Wasn’t it just some mate of his? Thanks for the memories which also unfortunately includes him trying to get out of here to Spurs after one season. I don’t have much or any sympathy for him in how his career has panned out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eddiemunster on May 23, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
James Justin, where did the figure of £7.5 million come from??
Valued on transfermarkt at £23K. And valued at £5 million in other clickbait reports.
Also saw via AVFCnewsnow, that El Ghazi will cost us over £5 million, when 3 weeks ago several reports stated that Lille were going to let him go at the end of the season, as his contract ends, so would effectively cost us nowt.
I tend to look at the clickbait as just that, and will believe any new signings, when they are announced on the club website.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2019, 06:42:33 PM
Looks like Luton have accepted our bid along with others
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 23, 2019, 06:55:24 PM
Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.


Who was his agent, was it his brother?

Wasn’t it just some mate of his? Thanks for the memories which also unfortunately includes him trying to get out of here to Spurs after one season. I don’t have much or any sympathy for him in how his career has panned out.

100% this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2019, 07:27:36 PM
Looks like Luton have accepted our bid along with others

I hope we get him, can play both flanks and would also annoy a few of my Luton supporting mates.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 23, 2019, 07:34:24 PM
I am deeply uncomfortable with giving Luton any money. In fact, I am uncomfortable giving them even the tshirt I puked on after over celebrating turning Olbiyun over.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Benteke on loan with an option to buy would suit all parties.  Tammmy will be over valued in my opinion and too big a risk for the likely £30m (or whatever).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 25, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
No doubt Benteke would be a more affordable option but still seems a big risk to me given how poor he has been since leaving us. Dean would have to work a miracle to get him back to his best.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
On loan with a view to buy might be a better option for Benteke.  'Coming home' might do him the world of good. Anyway, let's get there first eh?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 25, 2019, 01:08:45 PM
Why would we want a striker who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 25, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Why would we want a player who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.

Why would we want to sign a player with knackered knees like McGrath?
Why would we want to sign a player who'd played 17 games in 4 years like Mings?

Because they had ability if coached and supported in the right way. If Smith felt he could get a tune out of Benteke, I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 25, 2019, 01:17:10 PM
Why would we want a player who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.

Why would we want to sign a player with knackered knees like McGrath?
Why would we want to sign a player who'd played 17 games in 4 years like Mings?

Because they had ability if coached and supported in the right way. If Smith felt he could get a tune out of Benteke, I'd be all for it.

The comparisons ring false - McGrath and Mings are both centre-halves, the former's issues were fitness/injury related rather than being anything to do with quality, and those issues persisted with us so technically nothing changed. He was also a one in a million player. Mings is still relatively young for a centre-half and was simply behind the pecking order with the likes of Aké doing well at Bournemouth. He wasn't dropped for being shite like Benteke was.

I don't buy the nature of the argument with regard to a striker who's dried up for many years now. We had his best years and he's only getting slower now. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 25, 2019, 01:24:00 PM
Don’t know if this article is bullshit or not, but states that Benteke is on £130k per week so it’s safe to assume that Palace would rather sell than loan. His wages would be a stumbling block for most clubs unless he takes a significant cut:

https://www.90min.com/posts/6374875-christian-benteke-refuses-to-leave-duo-set-for-exit-sorloth-future-uncertain-palace-news-roundup

There are better and cheaper options out there. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on May 25, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
Don’t know if this article is bullshit or not, but states that Benteke is on £130k per week so it’s safe to assume that Palace would rather sell than loan. His wages would be a stumbling block for most clubs unless he takes a significant cut:

https://www.90min.com/posts/6374875-christian-benteke-refuses-to-leave-duo-set-for-exit-sorloth-future-uncertain-palace-news-roundup

There are better and cheaper options out there. Avoid.

Totally agree. £500 a week and I'll sign on the dotted line.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 25, 2019, 02:48:59 PM
Tammy would be a good signing at £30m for us if we go up. Even if he's only an average PL striker, that'd be fine for us for the next 3 years. He's only 21 and you'd not lose any money on it.

I personally think his ceiling is a lot higher than that, I think if he fills out and finishes a little more consistently he could be Champions League level. He's been playing upfront, alone in a 46 game season all year with the likes of Green, Adomah, Bolasie around him. He's gone for periods without Jack too and he still scores almost every game. Even without penalties it's 1 in 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
Benteke is gone. He's not the same player any more. He's the young, fearless juggernaut of a player we signed and saw mature into what should have been one of the top players in Europe. That fire has been extinguished through his own greed, his poor decisions, poor form and a number of injuries. Putting him back in a Villa kit doesn't magically fix that. We need to sign stars of the future and not make expensive mistakes on players with limited current value or little future return.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: phantom limb on May 25, 2019, 04:59:14 PM
I wouldn’t touch Benteke with a barge pole, he’s not the same player. He should be looked at as an example of players receiving terrible advice from agents and going for money instead of what’s best for their career.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
Would rather get Batshuyai on loan from Chelsea if he's unwanted there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2019, 06:17:38 PM
Whilst I'm reluctant to write a player off having seen players look re-galvanised under the right manager, I think we're looking more at younger players who can play at a high tempo and potentially have a good sell-on value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 06:19:23 PM
He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.

Loaning the 4th choice CF from Crystal Palace is a good deal for us?  Get out of town.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 25, 2019, 06:26:10 PM
Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2019, 06:29:16 PM
Lads, lads.

It's Christian Benteke, ffs.

This whole magnificent rebirth will not be complete until he's smashing the fuck out of our opponents on our way back to European domination.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 06:33:13 PM
He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.

Loaning the 4th choice CF from Crystal Palace is a good deal for us?  Get out of town.

Or, put a less hysterical way, not taking a chance on our best striker this century, still aged only 28, in a fairly risk-free, cut price deal. Why not? If he's shite, we've lost nothing. If he's great.. .  we've got Benteke back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.

That's because he left his heart in Aston. How could anyone be expected to give their all for no-marks like Liverpool or Crystal fucking Palace when you've played for Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 25, 2019, 06:42:16 PM
Benteke has no heart. Once a goal scoring machine but sadly he’s just a robot now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on May 25, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
It’s a no from me. If he can’t command a regular place at Palace then why should we snap him up? His best days are behind him and thankfully they were in a Villa shirt. I can see him chasing a lucrative contract in China.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:03:00 PM
It’s a no from me. If he can’t command a regular place at Palace then why should we snap him up? His best days are behind him and thankfully they were in a Villa shirt. I can see him chasing a lucrative contract in China.

Exactly -We should be looking at the first 2 choices at Palace, not the 4th choice.  There's no room for sentiment here.  Benteke ought not to make our squad of 18 if we go up - There is absolutely no point taking a "punt" on him just because he was good for us a few years ago - If we were to take a punt on anyone because of that reasoning, I'd have Delph back in a whisper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 07:12:14 PM
He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
And in any case let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We are still a Championship club.

Deep breaths...reaches for paper bag.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
I don't see him as a DS player so don't see us going for him anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:32:52 PM
He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.

Sorry Rain Man

He's shit - Is that any better for you?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 07:40:17 PM
Calling him Rain Man because he doesn't get confused when counting beyond one is a bit of a reach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:41:51 PM
Calling him Rain Man because he doesn't get confused when counting beyond one is a bit of a reach.

Not really - He is unbelievably pedantic and trivial beyond recognition.  Plus Benteke is 4th choice - Hence 3 others being ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 07:44:33 PM
No, Zaha is leaving and doesn't play in his position anyway. The Chelsea player whose name I can't be arsed to spell doesn't play for them anymore. So he's second choice behind Wickham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:47:00 PM
No, Zaha is leaving and doesn't play in his position anyway. The Chelsea player whose name I can't be arsed to spell doesn't play for them anymore. So he's second choice behind Wickham.

Well in that case, we've no chance of getting him anyway then have we/

So your silly suggestion is a non-starter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 07:47:46 PM
Well, bearing in mind they're considering an offer from China, yes we do. Now calm down, petal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
Oh right - An offer from China or a loan deal and we pay some of his wages?

Hmmmm I wonder which one Palace would consider?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 07:56:15 PM
It doesn't really matter what Palace want if he doesn't want to go there. If they find someone willing to pay a fee and all of his wages, and Benteke wants to go, then he will go. I don't think Villa should be offering on those terms.

If he doesn't go for a fee, Palace would probably rather get at least some of his wages off the books and may be willing to loan him and pay some of his salary.

In those circumstances, it wouldn't be much of a gamble. Might as well try to see if he's like he used to be once he puts on a Villa shirt. If he isn't, he goes back to Palace at the end of his loan. Not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 07:57:48 PM
Bless  :o
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 07:58:18 PM
Your most coherent post yet, well done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 08:00:57 PM
He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.

Sorry Rain Man

He's shit - Is that any better for you?

If you weren't wrong so often I wouldn't have to keep correcting you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.

Sorry Rain Man

He's shit - Is that any better for you?

If you weren't wrong so often I wouldn't have to keep correcting you.

Only me?

You stalk me for some bizarre reason best known to yourself, ever since I went out of my way to try to answer a question you posted about loan deals.

You can split hairs on whether Tuanzebe had one good season or two and you can split hairs whether Benteke is 3rd or 4th choice does it really matter or are you just diving in to create conflict? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on May 25, 2019, 08:11:12 PM
You can prove anything with facts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 25, 2019, 08:11:52 PM
There is no parking in the red zone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.

You don't know the correct answer though - You split hairs over the most trivial, pedantic of things that has no bearing on the overall discussion.  And to me only.  Have you "corrected" anyone else in the past 3 months?

I really don't know what's wrong with you or where your obsession stems from but you will be ignored from now on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 25, 2019, 08:26:15 PM
All this bickering.  Anyone would think there's no football on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 25, 2019, 08:28:44 PM
There is no parking in the white zone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
You want some?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.

You don't know the correct answer though - You split hairs over the most trivial, pedantic of things that has no bearing on the overall discussion.  And to me only.  Have you "corrected" anyone else in the past 3 months?

I really don't know what's wrong with you or where your obsession stems from but you will be ignored from now on.

Awww bless. Do you need a hug?

P.s. 4 months not 3.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 25, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.

This.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 25, 2019, 08:42:25 PM
Why would I need a hug?  I wouldn't waste my breath on someone you in the real world.

Now you're a mod on here - Grow up & set an example, there's a good lad.

Yeah great 4 months.  Bye.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2019, 08:46:27 PM
Bye, it's been emotional.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2019, 08:58:20 PM
Ziggy says there's an 80 per cent chance Benteke will join us on loan in January if we're struggling back in the topflight.

He also said Brassneck should smoke every weed in the Blue Peter garden and chill out for a bit, so I wouldn't take that to the bank.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2019, 09:00:21 PM
Fuck me!  What happened to the transfer (speculation) thread?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on May 26, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Fuck me!  What happened to the transfer (speculation) thread?
This lol, It needs changing by the mods to transfer bitchfest spat
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2019, 12:07:15 AM
So... any news on that Luton bloke?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villan from luton on May 26, 2019, 12:22:01 AM
So... any news on that Luton bloke?

Only seen him once, mates say he is a good player
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 26, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 26, 2019, 07:58:28 AM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.

Well, let's hope it works out as well as the last midfielder we beat Celtic to...!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 26, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Sweet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2019, 10:22:53 AM
Will keep an eye on Joe Aribo in the final today and advise Dean accordingly😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 26, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Sweet.

I got it. We’re linked with allsorts these days aren’t we?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.

Quite a few of the Charlton lads are big hefty sorts, Aribo being one of them.  I think he plays more on the right but wonder whether he'd be useful if he switched to the centre.  Will watch him today, I expect them to beat Sunderland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 26, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
Kids and grown ups love him so?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2019, 11:12:09 AM
Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up.  Must be true then if it's the Mail!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2019, 11:13:06 AM
Bye, it's been emotional.
He did well to button it for 4 months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 26, 2019, 11:16:52 AM
Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up.  Must be true then if it's the Mail!!

It’s come from Alan Nixon on Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on May 26, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.

He has looked good infirst half today. Just said to my lad we should go for him if we lose tomorrow
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 26, 2019, 05:32:45 PM
Kent, Aribo and the lad from Luton are all decent young players. If that is the way our transfers are headed then would not be upset. They wont all come off, but the ones that don't can be moved on (so long as contracts are no too big) and the ones that do will have a big increase in value if we end up selling.

We will still need some experienced signings as well though, but please no more last paychequeue slackers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 26, 2019, 05:36:58 PM
Bye, it's been emotional.
He did well to button it for 4 months.

I felt a bit sorry for him - He doesn't appear to have a life away from the internet as he's on here 24/7.  I thought I'd cut the poor bloke some slack and allow him to continue his "emotional" ride.  It clearly means a lot to him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2019, 05:52:00 PM
"you'll be ignored from now on" and yet still going on about it the next day. That you keep insulting someone because they know more than you do is a tad weird.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on May 26, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
What an extraordinary person.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 26, 2019, 07:01:44 PM
Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up.  Must be true then if it's the Mail!!

If we're putting this out there - even if it doesn't actually come off- it's a smart move.

Rather than the win-or-bust (quite literally in our case) narrative that started up just before last year's final, with Bruce paying for the Wembley suits and the first whispers of the unpaid tax bill.  That weighed heavy on the shoulders of our lot, and we know the rest.

Losing tomorrow will be an absolute pisser, there is no doubt about it. But we should be in a better position to come back and mount a serious challenge next year whatever happens.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2019, 08:01:01 PM
If we lose tomorrow, we go up as Champions next season.  Already linked with Aribo, James and Kent.  Good players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 26, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
If we lose tomorrow, we go up as Champions next season.  Already linked with Aribo, James and Kent.  Good players.

Possibly - Although who would have bet their house on Norwich &Sheff U finishing top 2 this season?  The league is unforgiving and conjures up no end of twists and turns.  There is talk of PSG owners investing in Leeds.  If this transpires to be true, they will be one hell of a force next season.  Fulham's owner is quite ambitious as well.  The longer we stay down, the more difficult it seems to become to get out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
I might be missing something but I saw nothing at all in Aribo that suggested he will be the kind of player we would be after. Tall and clumsy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 26, 2019, 09:44:45 PM
When £10m is buying youth players that have been on loan at lower league clubs (and Scotland) I would think its time to invest in the academy and the club’s infrastructure. 

The money Chelsea, Liverpool and I’d imagine City are projected to make from selling reserves is insane sums.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on May 27, 2019, 07:49:30 AM
Aribo has a super power.
Yesterday he wore the cloak of invisibility for most of the game
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2019, 05:11:12 PM
I suggest the likes of Aribo and James may not get done now!!  Priority is Tyrone Mings. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2019, 05:11:58 PM
This thread has taken on a whole new meaning
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2019, 05:59:04 PM
Interesting to see Purslow say that we’re a year ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 06:13:09 PM
Bid for Benteke? 😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2019, 06:25:25 PM
Nassef said they are highly ambitious and don't want to simply exist.  This will be an interesting summer.  Would like Hause and Mings, El Ghazi worth a squad place, but not so sure on Tammy or Axel.  Lots for Dean and Jesus to do.

Need a quality left back and an even better, solid central midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 06:50:17 PM
Axel was fucking exceptional today. Anwar and Mings are musts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 27, 2019, 06:59:21 PM
left back - midfield general - right winger - should do as a starting point while still keeping the team spirit alive
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 27, 2019, 07:04:14 PM
LB, Defensive Mid, Right Mid and Striker for me as priorities.

Have loved cheering Tammy on this season, but question mark is still out if he can make it in the Prem. Didn’t exactly set the world alight for Swansea, but not sure how much that was down to the team he was playing with?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on May 27, 2019, 07:07:06 PM
Smith just been quoted that he and Pitarch will see our of contract players Wednesday and relevant loanee clubs will be contacted.
Harsh though it may seem on some, to improve, by nature of today’s selection , four or five of starting 11 from today become bench players and are replaced with better. Those 4 or 5 replace some of today’s bench players , and half a dozen of squad players will be moved on.
The names though ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 27, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
I think we need to be looking to get all the loanees permanently plus upgrades on Adomah, Green and Whelan (one of the wingers able to play either side), a new left back and an alternative for Grealish. So that's 10 signings, 5 of which would be new to the squad. Should be looking to offload Richards, Hutton, Bunn, Whelan, Elphick, Kodjia and one out of Adomah and Green, with a big thank you to all except Richards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 27, 2019, 07:24:50 PM
Id love to sign axel  not sure on Tammy . Ok to keep us up for a season maybe but hes not a top half striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 27, 2019, 07:26:00 PM
I think we need to be looking to get all the loanees permanently plus upgrades on Adomah, Green and Whelan (one of the wingers able to play either side), a new left back and an alternative for Grealish.
Depends on the prices.  I don't think Hause has done enough to convince.  And as well as they've done for us this season, I doubt whether AEG and Tammy will be anywhere near as effective in the Premier League.

Mings is the one I'd move heaven and earth to keep.  Axel would be nice but from what I gather Man Utd fans want him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ad@m on May 27, 2019, 07:30:21 PM
This thread has taken on a whole new meaning

Exactly. Time to reset expectations - anything less than Messi bought in as back up to Grealish, Van Dijk as back up to Ming's and De Gea as back up to Steer and I'll be disappointed!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 27, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Amazing how attractive we've become these past four hours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 27, 2019, 08:59:52 PM
What about going after that left back from Fulham? Joe Bryan I think 😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 09:03:17 PM
What about going after that left back from Fulham? Joe Bryan I think 😉

We'll be looking for better than bit part second division players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 27, 2019, 09:03:38 PM
Don’t forget we don’t need a new RB https://youtu.be/oPTLrWluRQg looks like he will do fine
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Tierney from Celtic. Let's get him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
Tierney from Celtic. Let's get him.

A great shout. Would be a top signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 27, 2019, 09:25:40 PM
When’s Chelsea’s appeal against their transfer ban ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2019, 09:57:02 PM
1x left back.
Forgot we've got a right back on the way.
Mings, Hause and one more (hopefully Axel). 
A holding mid.
I can't see it happening but I'd consider Whelo for a one year deal to have in reserve.
2 wingers (El Ghazi and another. Albert will go I think).
Tammy (I'd probably keep Kodjia if we can. He's good on his day and that unpredictability may prove useful).

I would worry about buying too many. That isn't always the best way to go. So for me, getting 4-5 of our loanees on permanents boosts the squad and eases transition. 5 more on top to improve the starting lineup and we're golden I think.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2019, 10:02:23 PM
I think we’ll struggle to get Tammy and Tuanzebe. Smith’s only had one window so he’s onky just starting to imprint his style so I think a big change is inevitable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2019, 10:56:20 PM
Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 27, 2019, 10:58:17 PM
Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.

Presumably the same applies to Tishibola & Gary "Bluenose" Gardner?  It is the price we were always going to have to pay for promotion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2019, 11:22:30 PM
Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.

Why do bad things happen to good people?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 12:13:01 AM
Micah probably does as well. As galling as it is that they get a bonus, i'm fucking glad that they are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2019, 12:15:36 AM
Micah probably does as well. As galling as it is that they get a bonus, i'm fucking glad that they are.

I would have thought that any contract changes come in on July 1st, so he misses out, please God!! Would be so undeserving, just like Toss McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 12:55:01 AM
As he is contracted to us the season we won promotion it's likely he'll get a bonus as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2019, 02:33:05 AM
Abraham has been anonymous in the 3 big play off games in truth. He is a bit of a flat track bully in the championship and won't do enough for the team in the premier league to justify 30 million IMO. We will though need 2 strikers that are capable in the top division. Lets hope the scouting department have found them!

Mings and Tuanzebe should be first 2 in, but United won't let Axel go I don't think. Centre back that would leave us with Mings, Hause and Chester. We need one more right sided one that can play the ball. Axel was brilliant today, and will be a big miss, the lad is top drawer.

Left back is a must! Need a starting left back.

Right back - Hutton will go, Elmo will probably stay for a year but be a bit part. Gilbert will be likely start. Bree will almost certainly be sold. That Justin lad from Luton looks well worth it for a utility full back.

Holding midfield - IMO we need 2 here - athletic and technically capable. Keep Whelan as a squad player too. Let Jedinak go.

Attacking mid - Desperate for a Jack alternative - need to shift Lansbury.

Wingers - El Ghazi should be signed. We then need 2 wide options with pace. Green should be found a championship club that will start him every week for a loan. Adomah should be given a fond goodbye.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 28, 2019, 03:26:58 AM
Agree with most of that.

The only things I would differ on are I would pay the money for Tammy. He's 21, has a career record of 53 goals in 111 games already and will only get better. Secondly, I think we will get Axel back on loan. United will be under pressure to make big name signings, regardless of what the fans want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 28, 2019, 04:31:01 AM
Gary Cahill on a free? A good squad addition I feel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 28, 2019, 04:47:45 AM
Neal Maupay? Smith knows his game. A good choice if we don't get Tammy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 06:55:38 AM
this might sound heretical, but I have a few doubts about Tammy - he hasn't looked really effective for a whilebut of course, that might be down to  not fully recovering yet from his arm injury
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2019, 07:51:32 AM
Mr Underhill, I actually agree. For the 25 million that has been touted, I wonder if there might be better, foreign options. That said, at 21 years of age and under this coaching staff, he is also worth a go too.

I wonder what now for Hogan, Davis, McCormack and Kodjia? I’d keep Jimmy Danger to be honest but think we might sell for the right price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 28, 2019, 08:03:33 AM
Saido Berahino is looking for a new club.

 ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2019, 08:06:44 AM
I'd certainly look to sign a top striker and i would also try to bring in Tammy for around £20m. 21 and will get better.
Maupay would be a good option if we could get Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on May 28, 2019, 08:07:08 AM
Must keep Davis.  Tammy does not seem to be fully committed to football.  He gives the impression that he does not have a passion for the game he is good at..  For £25 million you might expect more substance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2019, 08:17:07 AM
Must keep Davis.  Tammy does not seem to be fully committed to football.  He gives the impression that he does not have a passion for the game he is good at..  For £25 million you might expect more substance.
Agree on Keinan, meant to add him in above post.
Have to say I haven't noticed that with Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 28, 2019, 08:23:24 AM
Tammy isn't a premier league player and isn't worth £25-30m. He did his job for us but for me it's thank you and goodbye.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 28, 2019, 08:26:31 AM
I suspect there will be a few surprises up our sleeve, and no-one will come in unless they fit the model. Time for Pitarch to do his thing
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 28, 2019, 08:31:29 AM
Assuming we can't get Axel, I'd sign Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tammy if possible.

On top of that I'd be looking at Targett, Chalobah, Kalvin Phillips, Lolley, Maupay, McBurnie,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
I suggested the last player a while ago and got shot down in flames. What I want to see is the next Maupuy, not paying through the nose for the real one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 28, 2019, 08:45:30 AM
Gary Cahill on a free? A good squad addition I feel.

If we have Chester, Mings, Tuenzebe and Hause for next season we won't need him but otherwise might be worth a punt.

It's bazaar on Abraham, his loan spell can be considered as nothing but a huge success, 20 odd goals and a big part in our promotion but despite this and the fact that he's a likeable chap I wouldn't want to see us spend more than £20m either and possibly not even that much. His overall game is god awful at times and I can't see him doing much in the PL unless he's getting a load of chances in the box every match. Other than that it's like having 10 men at times, we need someone who can make the ball stick up there.

We certainly need to learn from our dismal recruitment of 2011-2015. I lost count of the number of players we signed, with one being a massive success in Christian Benteke. The best of the rest was Vlaar, Bacuna, Keane on loan, Geye and Ayew. The rest ranged from the disappointing to the disastrous.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2019, 08:45:49 AM
Mr Underhill, I actually agree. For the 25 million that has been touted, I wonder if there might be better, foreign options. That said, at 21 years of age and under this coaching staff, he is also worth a go too.

I wonder what now for Hogan, Davis, McCormack and Kodjia? I’d keep Jimmy Danger to be honest but think we might sell for the right price.

Hogan - season long loan somewhere, anywhere
Davis - I'd keep him but needs regular football on loan
McCormack - gastric band surgery
Kodjia - one year left on contract but needs selling.

Abraham is a very talented player, needs to physically toughen up a lot though.

Che Adams is one Id look at to replace Kodjia, very talented and mobile forward
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on May 28, 2019, 08:53:36 AM
Agree about Abraham the only proviso is that I have a suspicion he may have been playing injured.
there are plenty of quality players overseas that's where I would be looking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 28, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
Yes, sell bluenose Gardner in a swap deal for Che Adams, probably need £5M cash as well - that would really piss the noses off!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 28, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
can i just say

really looking forward to this thread again in the coming weeks
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 28, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
Yes, sell bluenose Gardner in a swap deal for Che Adams, probably need £5M cash as well - that would really piss the noses off!

£5m + Gardner for Adams would be hilarious.  Che Adams lives in Redditch which is apropos of nothing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 28, 2019, 09:01:12 AM
Will we break our transfer record this summer?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 28, 2019, 09:01:44 AM
Yes John, in theory it could be the best for over 10 years (apart from the misguided excitement most of us had in 2015)!

Mings permanently would set the ball rolling nicely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2019, 09:08:44 AM
Will we break our transfer record this summer?

A few times I’d guess.

Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.

There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 28, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
I think Mings will be done quite quickly - reckon the deal could even already be in place, there's no way he doesn't want to be here.  El Ghazi and Hause we will exercise our right to buy, which is good.  I'd buy Tammy if we can, he's only going to get better and I'd try and get Marriott from Derby, I think he's a real talent. 


And then I'm sure we can gazump Real for Hazard!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 28, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham would be great - I feel he'd be a bit too expensive!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on May 28, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2019, 09:21:07 AM
What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.

But three of them aren’t ours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 28, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
Buy Mings and one of the other two centre backs and most of the spine is there, but at the other end I also harbour doubts about whether Tammy can do it consistently enough at PL level. To survive comfortably we need a minimum 15 goal striker.

I also think there's discussions to be had about the goalkeeper.

Still, much rather be having this debate than who we'd be bringing in for a fourth Championship campaign with the parachute payments exhausted!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on May 28, 2019, 09:32:51 AM
What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.

But three of them aren’t ours.

I suspect that only Mings will be at Villa next season. Manure need a new defence so are bound to want to look at Axel, Chelsea have a transfer ban to consider so will want a look at Tammy. Tammy isn't a top 6 PL striker, but would do a job for us  for the time being.

The transfer window closes on 8th August so I'd assume that a loan window will be open beyond that date. I can see Axel starting the season at Old Trafford and joining us if they get in sufficient defensive cover. He could then join us permanently or if it's after the window closes another loan with a permanent signing in January 2020.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on May 28, 2019, 09:36:51 AM
Still, my point is I’d like us to go for permanent deals on those before looking for alternatives, to keep the team ethos. We’ve got a great dressing room which as we’ve seen is a huge asset.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 28, 2019, 09:47:28 AM
Will we break our transfer record this summer?

A few times I’d guess.

Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.

There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.

It won’t be mass overhaul in one window.  In addition to jack & sgm, El Ghazi will likely get a chance, as will the French right back.  Assuming we are able to sign Mings, the positions we need to look at are LB, central defence, central midfield & striker RW.  Out of that, I haven’t written Tammy off signing yet.  I think Axel will go though.  I’m also very uncomfortable with the goalkeepers despite Steers performance in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 09:54:22 AM
We still need to be relatively sensible - look at what happened to Fulham when splashing the cash. First and foremost we need to keep as much of the squad together as possible. I'm hopeful of keeping Mings, but think Tammy will be a struggle (at least until January) due to Chelsea's transfer embargo, and Solskjaer's already spoken about wanting to get Tuanzebe back there, for pre-season at least. With Chester's injury still a concern, we definitely need a proven Premiership centre-back. Gary Cahill on a free for a year or 2?

We also need a striker, even if we do keep hold of Tammy. I'd go for Oli McBurnie at Swansea, allegedly available for around £12m. Looks to be a natural goalscorer, and pretty decent with his back to goal 2. I could see him having more success in the Prem than someone like Maupay.

Talking of Championship targets, I'd also be going all-out for Jarrod Bowen at Hull. He's definite prem quality and would fit into our system perfectly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Will we break our transfer record this summer?

A few times I’d guess.

Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.

There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.

It won’t be mass overhaul in one window.  In addition to jack & sgm, El Ghazi will likely get a chance, as will the French right back.  Assuming we are able to sign Mings, the positions we need to look at are LB, central defence, central midfield & striker RW.  Out of that, I haven’t written Tammy off signing yet.  I think Axel will go though.  I’m also very uncomfortable with the goalkeepers despite Steers performance in the second half of the season.

Agree on the keepers. I keep thinking that Jack Butland would be worth a shout, if we could get him for £8-£10m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2019, 10:02:51 AM
I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one. It will be interesting to see if he gives Steer a crack next season though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 10:13:04 AM
Bunn Nyland and one other to go I would have thought which probably still leaves us with ten.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on May 28, 2019, 10:20:34 AM
I’d love us to go back for Johnstone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 10:21:47 AM
I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one. It will be interesting to see if he gives Steer a crack next season though.

Kalinic concerns me. I've not seen anything from him so far to suggest he'll be an adequate Premiership number 1. I like Steer, but also don;t think that he's quite good enough either to take us where we need to be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 28, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
I haven't seen anyone mention Callum Robinson yet but I think he'd be a good signing. Scored 7 goals this season for Preston even though he was injured for more than half the campaign and always looks lively whenever I watch him. Big shame that we lost him when we did.

Only thing that gives me cause for concern is that the Murphy brothers have both struggled to make an impact in the prem despite having solid championship seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 28, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
And maybe Nick Pope as a goalkeeping option?

Didn't play a single PL game last season due to injury and the form of Heaton but looked very good in 17/18 and even made the World Cup squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
I haven't seen anyone mention Callum Robinson yet but I think he'd be a good signing. Scored 7 goals this season for Preston even though he was injured for more than half the campaign and always looks lively whenever I watch him. Big shame that we lost him when we did.

Only thing that gives me cause for concern is that the Murphy brothers have both struggled to make an impact in the prem despite having solid championship seasons.

I think we're going to need better players than Callum Robinson now we're up against the likes of Man City and Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Steer needs to work on his kicking but otherwise I'd have no major qualms with keeping his as #1 at least for next season. It's the defense I'm worried about. We need at least 2 new full-backs (not including Guilbert who could go either way) and I'd sign both Mings and Hause assuming Chester can no longer make it through a whole season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2019, 10:31:25 AM
I’d love us to go back for Johnstone.

Fuck that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
Agree on the keepers. I keep thinking that Jack Butland would be worth a shout, if we could get him for £8-£10m.

He’d be a great signing and he need some a move, I remember reading that Man Utd had been quoted £30m for him though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2019, 10:33:03 AM
I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one.

It a massive amount for a Championship keeper but pretty small beer when the top 6 are paying 10x that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Goalkeeper is also pretty much the only position that you can't afford to 'nurture' somebody, particularly in our position now! I was never convinced that Kalinic was Smith's signing to start with, so don't think he'll waste time persevering with him if the coaching staff (particularly Cutler) decide that he's not up to the job - regardless of the fee paid to him.

That said, I think they'll give him pre-season to prove himself capable, before bringing in another keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on May 28, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
From The Torygraph:

Five things Aston Villa must do if they are to stay in the Premier League

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/28/five-things-aston-villa-must-do-stay-premier-league/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AsjxqB2gNSrN

Agree/disagree?

Interesting point about Whelan. The PL is going to be a step up for a lot of the team, so experience and calm, wise heads will be important.

One thing that Villa must avoid above all is bringing in Billy Big Bollocks players who disrupt the harmony and spirit amongst the squad which has been fundamental in the last third of the season and seeing us through to promotion.

One thing that has stood out since March is that Smith has moulded a team with a one for all, all for one mentality; which needs to be maintained.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2019, 10:44:55 AM
Buy Mings and one of the other two centre backs and most of the spine is there, but at the other end I also harbour doubts about whether Tammy can do it consistently enough at PL level. To survive comfortably we need a minimum 15 goal striker.

I also think there's discussions to be had about the goalkeeper.

Still, much rather be having this debate than who we'd be bringing in for a fourth Championship campaign with the parachute payments exhausted!

Sam Johnstone for me as first choice keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 28, 2019, 10:46:55 AM
Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 10:48:51 AM
From The Torygraph:

Five things Aston Villa must do if they are to stay in the Premier League

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/28/five-things-aston-villa-must-do-stay-premier-league/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AsjxqB2gNSrN

Agree/disagree?

Interesting point about Whelan. The PL is going to be a step up for a lot of the team, so experience and calm, wise heads will be important.

One thing that Villa must avoid above all is bringing in Billy Big Bollocks players who disrupt the harmony and spirit amongst the squad which has been fundamental in the last third of the season and seeing us through to promotion.

One thing that has stood out since March is that Smith has moulded a team with a one for all, all for one mentality; which needs to be maintained.

Hard to disagree with any of those points. I thing giving Whelan another 12 months could actually be very shrewd. Games won't come as thick-and-fast in the Prem as they have in the Championship and we're going to be losing a lot of experience already with the like of Hutton and Jedinak going. He's obviously well liked within the dressing room,and a player who knows his role and purpose within the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?

I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.

Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 28, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Kalvin Phillips.... make it so Deano please
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2019, 11:13:59 AM
Steer is a real steady Eddie, he’s not really saved anything you wouldn’t expect him to nor let in any clangers and , save that mad 10 mins at the Hawthorns, he has radiated a calm we didn’t see from our other keepers. My doubts really stem from him not appearing tall enough but, with PL teams not slinging in as many crosses these days, he probably deserves his shot at the number one spot.

Still think we’ll look at another keeper mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 28, 2019, 11:24:53 AM
Do you think we'll beat our transfer record over the summer?  Maybe more than once?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on May 28, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
I'm torn between being hugely excited at the prospect of wealthy owners finally being able to open their wallets properly, and doing a Fulham by spunking £100m just to get relegated again.

We could comfortably spend £50m just to permanently acquire the players we've had on loan this season (specifically Mings, Hause, Tammy and Anwar - I think Axel is in ManU's first-team plans, for now anyway). So £100m net spend doesn't actually sound that ridiculous, especially if that extra £50m goes on a couple of proper top-end Prem players. Fulham spent £50m on Anguissa and Seri alone.

I'd like to see a proven top-level goalscorer, a winger, LB and a defensive midfielder - all capable of being first-choice in the matchday 11.  Put that with the loans made permanent, and I think we could be mid-table comfortably.

And this sounds incredibly negative, but I really hope we only hand out contracts with a decent paycut if the worst should happen. I hate the thought of another Micah Richards hanging around on a massive contract... esp with FFP rules.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 11:28:30 AM
Mings, El-Ghazi and Hause i'd say are certainties to sign, I reckon we'll get Axel on another season loan, Abraham I think will stsy at Chelsea for the coming season, reckon Lolley will end up here but other than that ive got no idea, i presume we had 2 seperate lists of potential signings dependant on yesterdays result. Exciting summer ahead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 11:29:06 AM
Sky are linking us with a move for Kalvin Phillips at Leeds. Good player, man-marked Grealish quite effectively at Elland Road. Would send the Leeds fans into meltdown too!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2019, 11:29:35 AM
Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?

The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.

We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 11:32:28 AM
yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 11:40:36 AM
Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?

The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.

We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.

I think my concern stems from the fact that we have a Director of Football who seems to be heavily involved with identifying the transfer targets. You're right - for every horror story of this happening, you can find a success one, but I'd still be a lot more comfortable if I thought that Smith and his team were 100% in charge of identifying the targets. Guilbert and Kalinic strike me as players that have been bought by 'Suso' rather than Smith. They may turn out to be good signings but, as others have pointed out, our team spirit and unity has been a massive factor this season and needs to be of paramount consideration with any players that we bring in. the players that Paddy Riley signed were, by-and-large, very good footballers, but they were square-pegs into round-holes, and it'd be an easy trap to fall into again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 28, 2019, 11:43:21 AM
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but Mile Jedinak, Micah Richards and Alan Hutton may leave

May?........ MAY?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 28, 2019, 11:44:25 AM
As for the transfer record, that'll go on a striker, whether Tammy or someone else
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 28, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
How about Luka Jovic from Eintracht Frankfurt? Only 21 as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
Sky are linking us with a move for Kalvin Phillips at Leeds. Good player, man-marked Grealish quite effectively at Elland Road. Would send the Leeds fans into meltdown too!

Phillips is very good indeed, and would slot nicely into our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2019, 11:59:09 AM
How about Luka Jovic from Eintracht Frankfurt? Only 21 as well.

Would be good if he weren't (apparently) signing for Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
Can't see them competing if he thinks Villa are interested, tbh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 28, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
it's nothing to do with the amount of money spent and all to do with the way it's spent (see Fulham)

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2019, 12:14:42 PM
Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?

I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.

Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.

I really like Steer and he was so assured yesterday. However I thought Johnstone was outstanding last season for us. Bit shy on the line at set piece time but a brilliant shot stopper. His save from Adamoah in the semi was outrageous.

Any keeper business is probably dependent on one if not two of Nyland and Kalinic going. Both on long contracts, Kalinic is hardly as poor as he looked in his few appearances for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: gpbarr on May 28, 2019, 12:17:04 PM
Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?

The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.

We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.

Your kidding right? That basically means we got to come in the top 4 of the lower Premier League (the top 6 are out of sight at the moment and that means a league of 14). We need to get realistic here else silly decisions will ensue. There is no need to rush out way back to greatness - let’s do one thing at a time and first season back, solidify our place as a top tier club - if that means 13th or 14th I’ll take that right now thank you because it means that $200m turns into $300m and we can then climb to the next level. We need astute management and sensible expectations next season else we will go the way of those before us who have got it all wrong in their first season back in the big league
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 28, 2019, 12:27:13 PM
yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
Quite a few assumptions there.

The team that has been promoted are a decent side that earned a play off position with a great run, and delivered, just, in a three game shoot out.

This is by no means a great side, nor one that “has to be kept together”.

We  finished fifth, won seven fewer games than Norwich the Champions, and conceded nine more than Stoke who finished sixteenth. Nine teams conceded fewer goals than we did. Only two sides scored more. Is John Terry providing value as our defensive coach?

The back five need looking at, as do the defensive qualities of our midfield.

Fulham recruited badly. Man City can afford £100m of mistakes, they could not. The Wolves side that went up was better than ours, and needed fewer replacements. We cannot “do a Wolves”, the Fulham disaster was that they had to buy more players than Wolves did, and failed.
If we do not buy enough players we will fail. If we buy too many we will fail.

 We also need to hold on to the talent we do have. Beyond Abraham, Grealish, El Ghazi and McGinn, how many of the others could we not comfortably improve upon? If we lose two or more of those four we will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 28, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
Phillips would be fantastic and exactly what we need behind John and Jack. Really like him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 28, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
What does this mean for James Justin from Luton?  Is he good enough for the Prem so will we follow through with our reported interest? Same question applies to Freddie Gilbert who we have already signed?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?

I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.

Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.


Thought Johnstone was excellent for us in 17/18 and if the Olbiyun are on a full-on economising drive now, I wouldn't be against us pursuing that one again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2019, 12:52:05 PM
Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?

I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.

Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.


Thought Johnstone was excellent for us in 17/18 and if the Olbiyun are on a full-on economising drive now, I wouldn't be against us pursuing that one again.

I thought he was absolutely fine. A solid, unfussy keeper.

But when Steer has basically been a fine, solid, unfussy keeper is there a need to spend even more money on goalkeepers?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on May 28, 2019, 12:55:35 PM
Sign the loanees (if poss) a couple of smart additions as well. Keep the team spirit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2019, 01:01:20 PM
Steer has looked better since the turn of the year - but he was playing behind Championship equivalent of McGrath and Baresi rolled into one. The second leg of the play-off aside, I don't recall him having to do a whole lot.

Off the top of my head I can recall Johnstone being worth extra points against Sheff Utd and Wed away, Leeds at home and a few others. That's what a good keeper does - earns you points you probably don't deserve.

He quickly seemed to develop an understanding with Terry and Chester as well; to the point that if balls were coming in from the flanks, you'd have few concerns about him dealing with it.

It would be hard to do that to Steer after the final third of the campaign we've had. So I'm glad it's not my call to make.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on May 28, 2019, 01:22:09 PM
yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
Quite a few assumptions there.

The team that has been promoted are a decent side that earned a play off position with a great run, and delivered, just, in a three game shoot out.

This is by no means a great side, nor one that “has to be kept together”.

We  finished fifth, won seven fewer games than Norwich the Champions, and conceded nine more than Stoke who finished sixteenth. Nine teams conceded fewer goals than we did. Only two sides scored more. Is John Terry providing value as our defensive coach?

The back five need looking at, as do the defensive qualities of our midfield.

Fulham recruited badly. Man City can afford £100m of mistakes, they could not. The Wolves side that went up was better than ours, and needed fewer replacements. We cannot “do a Wolves”, the Fulham disaster was that they had to buy more players than Wolves did, and failed.
If we do not buy enough players we will fail. If we buy too many we will fail.

 We also need to hold on to the talent we do have. Beyond Abraham, Grealish, El Ghazi and McGinn, how many of the others could we not comfortably improve upon? If we lose two or more of those four we will be in trouble.


There were three different teams this season...

Bruce's team with a crocked James Chester in defence and keepers getting to grips with English football - 3 wins out of 12 - 19 goals conceded

Dean Smith's team with an injured/absent Jack Grealish, half a defence - 8 wins out of 22 - 30 goals conceded

Dean Smith's team with a fully fit Jack and a proper defence - 12 wins out of 15 - 10 goals conceded
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Exactly that London Villan. When people talk about "keeping the team together" they're talking about the team since Janury, the one that won 10 successive games and just got promoted to the Premier League at a canter. No-one's suggesting that we should be doing everything in our power to keep Tommy Elphick and Jedinak at centre-back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 01:39:32 PM
What does this mean for James Justin from Luton?  Is he good enough for the Prem so will we follow through with our reported interest? Same question applies to Freddie Gilbert who we have already signed?

I think he's played most of the season at left-back fro Luton, despite being right-footed, and are interest in him has apparently continued despite Guilbert signing. Taylor - despite his renaissance of recent weeks - is very much still the weak-link in our team, and I don't for one second think that Smith will be planning on going into next season with him as our first-choice left back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2019, 01:58:17 PM
Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.

Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on May 28, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.

Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.

He cost Fulham the best part of £20m. Probably cost more now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2019, 02:06:45 PM
Seri looks a really talented player, but not sure he has the work ethic we need. Monaco look favourites for him.

There is a little lad at Leicester (Mendy maybe) that doesn't seem to start under Rodgers but IMO could be ideal for us in front of the back 4. Would not be shocked to see Smith look at signing Ryan Woods on the cheap from Stoke either as a squad option in midfield.

In goal, I don't see the point in signing another one unless Kalinic gets sold on, which wouldn't surprise me. Nyland will go once hes fully fit too. If we are in for a keeper though, one of the quality of Butland should be the sort of standard, not Johnstone who Albion fans are completely unimpressed by.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 28, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.

Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.

He cost Fulham the best part of £20m. Probably cost more now.

He's not actually been all that great for them - he was barely featuring for them by the end  of the season (there are quite a lot of comparisons that work him vs Gueye).

So I'd be surprised if they make a profit on him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2019, 02:17:48 PM
it's nothing to do with the amount of money spent and all to do with the way it's spent (see Fulham)

It's both, really. If we spend peanuts we will almost certainly not be able to compete. That model didn't work under Lambert and would be even less likely to succeed given the vastly increased wealth of our rivals as a result of television deals which grow ever more obscene.

We need to spend lots. Not fucking around amounts. £100 million as a bare minimum. We need to spend it better than Fulham did, though.

Given the players that Smith had brought in so far I'm optimistic that we will.

Now, have we signed anyone yet? FFS... SMITH OUT!!! 😡😡😡
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 02:18:33 PM
As tough as it would be on Jed as a club we need to look to better players if they become available. That said I hope with all positions we just don’t blow things up. Add the right pieces. Keep the core together as Wolves did and our momentum will allow us to progress at a good pace. GK is a critical position but Jed has deserved the chance to play in the PL. For me provided we keep our key loan players LB, CM, RW, LW need big upgrades or reinforcements to add depth. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 28, 2019, 02:44:29 PM
GK - I think we have more than enough with the 3 we have

LB - I would like us to look at Gibbs from the bitters - athletic and gets forward

CH - Keep Mings / Hause and add another to Chester on the right side

Holding MF - What about a return for Milner to offer experience for a year?

Striker - every year the pundits mention its all about scoring goals so this is where we need to really be dynamic and go for it. Sadly I think Tammy is a lovable guy and not bad for a 1 in 4 striker. In the premiership you need a 1 in 2 or better on chances  - but they do not come cheap

I like

King or Wilson at Bournemouth
Or  Batshuayi from Palace

Dean Smith seemingly had a great knack for recruiting players so hopefully he knows what we need

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 28, 2019, 02:59:08 PM
Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers

If we sold Nyland and Kalinic and put the money towards Butland I wouldn't be upset. But that's more with me not knowing how good they truly are, and if they will improve once they've settled, got used to their team mates, language, English football etc.

I like Steer he seems a tad small for a keeper and he obviously isn't Ederson on the ball but he's more than earned his spot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers

If we're raiding Stoke I'd rather go for Joe Allen (maybe even Woods, if DS can get a tune out of him).

Never been overly impressed with Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 28, 2019, 05:03:09 PM
Exactly that London Villan. When people talk about "keeping the team together" they're talking about the team since Janury, the one that won 10 successive games and just got promoted to the Premier League at a canter. No-one's suggesting that we should be doing everything in our power to keep Tommy Elphick and Jedinak at centre-back.

A fair analysis.

I would still hesitate to suggest that our defence is anywhere good enough for the PL though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on May 28, 2019, 05:04:34 PM
We should line Joe Bryan up and then pull the plug at the very last minute.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 28, 2019, 05:57:53 PM
We were linked to Isaac Hayden and Nathaniel Chalobah in January so maybe we'll go back in for one of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 28, 2019, 06:05:42 PM
We were linked to Isaac Hayden...

We'll probably get Shafted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on May 28, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
Seri looks a really talented player, but not sure he has the work ethic we need. Monaco look favourites for him.

There is a little lad at Leicester (Mendy maybe) that doesn't seem to start under Rodgers but IMO could be ideal for us in front of the back 4. Would not be shocked to see Smith look at signing Ryan Woods on the cheap from Stoke either as a squad option in midfield.

In goal, I don't see the point in signing another one unless Kalinic gets sold on, which wouldn't surprise me. Nyland will go once hes fully fit too. If we are in for a keeper though, one of the quality of Butland should be the sort of standard, not Johnstone who Albion fans are completely unimpressed by.

Jed's distribution is miles better than Johnstone's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on May 28, 2019, 06:12:12 PM
Posted this on the wrong thread.

We now have owners who are proper money men, in terms of how the've made their fortunes, the amounts of dosh available and their financial abilities.

In the modern business world there is huge kudos in being linked with/owning a successful EPL team and I think we can be certain that these 2 haven't bought Villa for it to be a plaything or a distraction.

Looking back, it's now obvious that despite what we thought at the time (wishful thinking?) that their predecessors:  Lerner - inherited Daddy's money, no business acumen and Dr T - nice guy, but out of his depth financially;  didn't really have sufficient financial firepower or executive skills for the modern game - hence last summer's crisis.

In contrast our current owners have made serious money and have shown their intentions to support the club from the day they came in - see the numerous injections of money on the balance sheet

Let's hope that Edens has used his American connections and seen/learned from how the Glazers, Kroenke and John Henry have managed things at ManU, Arsenal and Liverpool and Sawiris will has also picked up on Man Citeh and PSG etc. and they have formulated plans to capitalise on Monday's result -both on and off the pitch.

Dean Smith has proven to be a shrewd operator in the transfer market in the past - he did well in January - not overpaying, but finding players who he can improve and,  who at the same to time fit in with both his overall tactical philosophy whilst not upsetting the strong team spirit he creates.

I'm sure that the club has already started the rebuilding process -we've already pruned out the Academy players and will, no doubt be moving on a number of the first team squad.

Smith knows will certainly know who he wants to re-sign from our loan players and depending on the success or failure there will have targets already lined up if he isn't successful and for other positions where we need strengthening.

For once we have directors who have the money to back him.

I don't expect us to be spaffing (thanks Boris) £100m+ on a bunch of players like Fulham did last year who won't fit in - we all saw how that has ended.

I think we'll be both pleased and surprised by some of his signings  - here's to finding several more SJMs.
 
We've had too many false dawns over recent years - we need to ensure that this isn't another one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on May 28, 2019, 06:16:00 PM
Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.

Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.

Had seri in my fantasy team and soon got rid of him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 06:54:17 PM
I’d like to continue to look at options in the Championship also. Joe Lolley looks like he’d fit right in to the way Dean Smith wants to play. We need technical players who love passing the ball and keeping possession. We are going to be paying some stupid sums at some point but we can still be shrewd with our signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2019, 07:02:07 PM
I’d like to continue to look at options in the Championship also. Joe Lolley looks like he’d fit right in to the way Dean Smith wants to play. We need technical players who love passing the ball and keeping possession. We are going to be paying some stupid sums at some point but we can still be shrewd with our signings.

talk of the devil

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7079365/Aston-Villa-set-bid-Joe-Lolley-10m-Nottingham-Forest-forward-key-target.html
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 28, 2019, 07:04:26 PM
I've just watched the brief interview with the two of them and Purslow on the official site Facebook and it's safe to say we're in good hands.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 07:04:47 PM
I think Lolley will happen, evrrything about it seems to fit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
I like Lolley - but would much rather we were in for Jarrod Bowen in that same position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
Nothing there suggesting any sort of bid is imminent.

Easy link to make because of the club he supports and the recent headlines surrounding Smith and Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 07:11:20 PM
I like Lolley - but would much rather we were in for Jarrod Bowen in that same position.

Sign both, one can play in cup games.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/06e438bb03983a7c7087618f20b2c25a/tenor.gif?itemid=8203989)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on May 28, 2019, 07:55:16 PM
I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.

Maybe if we'd stayed in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2019, 10:37:46 PM
Ruben Alcaraz from Valladolid being linked.  Central midfielder. Sky sources (yes, I know!!) say that Villa want to keep Tammy, Mings and Tuanzebe but the other two loaned players not mentioned, yet.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on May 28, 2019, 10:42:46 PM
Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.

We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 28, 2019, 10:56:19 PM
Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.

We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.

Alexander Mitrovic may be available after Fulham's relegation but I think he cost them £30m+ so maybe we could get someone better (and cheaper) from a foreign league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ad@m on May 28, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.

I'd rather get relegated than see that fucking orc in claret and blue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2019, 11:57:17 PM
Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.

We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.

Think we are going to have to make some harsh and ruthless decisions next season, as that is the nature of elite sport.  I agree about Tammy, wouldn’t mind him as a bench option next season, but I do think we need a better option as our main striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2019, 12:05:10 AM
Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.

Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.

I remember Xavi saying he had Barca DNA. Does seem to have suffered from Fulham's demise as much as Gana did here.

If we're talking ambitious I'd love us to make a move for Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio. Was massively rated a year back but had mediocre WC for Serbia and been in and out for Lazio this season.

They tend to play him as an AM but he's also got the build to play much deeper, little bit like Fellani when Everton first signed him.

Seems Juventus are still being linked but if we're talking ambition from the owners I'd like to see us bidding:

https://www.football-italia.net/138626/lotito-juve-wont-ask-milinkovic
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2019, 12:09:48 AM
Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers

Would cost too much, Stoke want 20m +. Think Palace and Bournemouth want him. BTW SHA have big sell on clause and they were hoping he'd get sold last season so they would've avoided -9 that way.

If we want another keeper then can see us going for Neil Etheridge. Cutler basically picked him off the street to sign for Walsall and he was excellent there and been very good at Cardiff aswell. Good sign when a keeper is looking good stepping up every division.

I'd imagine he'd be available for 6-7m. I remember Fabianski had that as a release clause when Swansea went down and he's been a brilliant signing for West Ham.

Next to no chance Nyland will be here in August and I can see Kalinic being loaned out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2019, 12:11:19 AM
Ruben Alcaraz from Valladolid being linked.  Central midfielder. Sky sources (yes, I know!!) say that Villa want to keep Tammy, Mings and Tuanzebe but the other two loaned players not mentioned, yet.   

El Ghazi will be the easiest loan to sign I reckon. I thought it was already know OGS is going to put Axel in Man. United squad for next season so would be surprised if he came back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 05:52:42 AM
From his interview with Dean Smith on the OS it doesn’t sound like we will be pursuing Tammy or Axel. Words to the effect of we’ve improved them and they’ll be worth a lot more. Off course all that could change but it seems we will look to lock up Mings, El Ghazi and Hause. I also liked that he was very adamant that the days of loans appears to be over.

Overall I love how he is bigging up the club. We are Aston Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on May 29, 2019, 06:21:50 AM
There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.

I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can

That would leave us needing:

LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)

Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on May 29, 2019, 06:37:44 AM
There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.

I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can

That would leave us needing:

LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)

Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options

Listening to CP yesterday, he made the point that the days are gone when we need to loan players thus improving them for their parent clubs (and as mentioned, increasing their value in the process)

I'm pretty sure that we'll be looking towards building a team with our own players. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 29, 2019, 06:42:14 AM
Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.

We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.

Alexander Mitrovic may be available after Fulham's relegation but I think he cost them £30m+ so maybe we could get someone better (and cheaper) from a foreign league.

Maupay could be incoming.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2019, 06:54:00 AM
Jarrod Bowen from Hull is a very good player - I thin Spurs have looked at him? Also, Bradley Dack from Blackburn is really good. Great having these possibilities now!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2019, 07:22:48 AM
Given the choice, I'd take Hause before Tuanzebe. Better in the air, not as quick across the ground mind, but, as a former centre back myself, I see more in Kortney Hause than I do in Axel. Subjective I know but great debate and thanks to Deano, we can have that debate.  (Mings above both though).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2019, 07:48:49 AM
Given the choice, I'd take Hause before Tuanzebe. Better in the air, not as quick across the ground mind, but, as a former centre back myself, I see more in Kortney Hause than I do in Axel. Subjective I know but great debate and thanks to Deano, we can have that debate.  (Mings above both though).

Trouble is, Hause and Mings are both left footed. Tuanzebe is a right footed CB. That gives a better balance. Hause will definitely be signed I feel. I'm sure Deano will try his best to sign Axel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2019, 07:49:34 AM
Dean said we have options on 2 of them, which I am assuming is Hause and Ming’s.
United won’t sell us Tunzabe so he won’t be here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 29, 2019, 07:52:17 AM
I think we've got options on El Ghazi and Hause
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on May 29, 2019, 07:54:21 AM
Dean said we have options on 2 of them, which I am assuming is Hause and Ming’s.
United won’t sell us Tunzabe so he won’t be here.

I think he said three, CL, which I'm presuming would be Mings, Hause and El-Ghazi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 08:32:37 AM
There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.

I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can

That would leave us needing:

LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)

Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options

Listening to CP yesterday, he made the point that the days are gone when we need to loan players thus improving them for their parent clubs (and as mentioned, increasing their value in the process)

I'm pretty sure that we'll be looking towards building a team with our own players. 

Maybe not five loan players again, but if there's one or two that would improve the team (even if just for one season), I don't see anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2019, 08:34:32 AM
Yeh made it pretty clear that we are not in the loan market any more..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2019, 09:38:11 AM
Presumably we're going to be heavily linked with Gary Cahill over the next few weeks?

Given he spent half a decade playing alongside John Terry, his previous history with us and the fact that a bit of experience probably wouldn't go amiss, it's pretty likely to happen isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2019, 09:41:53 AM
Presumably we're going to be heavily linked with Gary Cahill over the next few weeks?

Given he spent half a decade playing alongside John Terry, his previous history with us and the fact that a bit of experience probably wouldn't go amiss, it's pretty likely to happen isn't it?

I think it's an obvious connection that will be made Dave, but I'm not sure personally:

- I'm not sure that an older, super expensive wage sponge is the sort of player Purslow will be sanctioning.
- If we keep Mings, Hause and possibly Tuanzebe, with Chester as backup would we really need him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
how much would Danny Drinkwater cost?

could do a decent job for us in the first season of Prem .. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 10:26:13 AM
Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?

And for bonus points, who was the one before that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 29, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?

And for bonus points, who was the one before that?

Was it Ritchie De Laet? And maybe Jedinak before him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
With no Euros or World Cup this summer, it's a good time to be looking at new players. No delays because players don't want to be distracted during a tournament and no clamouring to sign unheard of players just because they have a couple of good games on a big stage.

Hopefully this will mean that permanent transfers can be dealt with early in the off-season

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2019, 11:06:08 AM
Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?

And for bonus points, who was the one before that?

Was it Ritchie De Laet? And maybe Jedinak before him?

Glenn Whelan was more recent than both wasn't he?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 11:06:40 AM
Setting aside the current loan players for a moment, I expect Lolley and Cahill to join but I've no idea who else will arrive.

Finding an experienced but still mobile holding midfielder might be the most difficult signing. Depending on where Danny Drinkwater is in terms of fitness and legal matters, he might be an option.
Milner would be great for a couple of seasons and I wouldn't be adverse to Delph (with the appropriate mea culpa)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 11:08:52 AM
Aye Wheelo was the most recent.

Scott Sinclair was one of the last Premier League players we signed as a Premier League outfit. Before that, N'Zogbia and Hutton and Given.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa75 on May 29, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
Yeh made it pretty clear that we are not in the loan market any more..

This is music to my ears.

We've been used as a 'second rate' club for too long. We're back in the top tier now. We need to start acting like a top tier club. It's not as though we're on the bones of are arse, financially.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 11:11:49 AM
I'd be perfectly happy for us to get a player in on loan if it benefited the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 29, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
Aye Wheelo was the most recent.

Scott Sinclair was one of the last Premier League players we signed as a Premier League outfit. Before that, N'Zogbia and Hutton and Given.

Talking of Whelan, I always thought he was a calm, reserved even aloof sort of personality, but looking at the post match celebrations he comes across as teenage lunatic. Bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 11:15:57 AM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on May 29, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
For me a class midfielder is essential to allow Grealish to play to his strength which is tucked in behind the forwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 29, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
Whilst we're saying no to loans, let's also make sure we're never mugged off with make-weights such as Spurs tried with us last season.  James Milner for Stephen Ireland was an early indication of the respective directions of travel that saw us relegated and Man City ordering tanker-loads of silver polish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: avfcpg on May 29, 2019, 11:26:08 AM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Sadly I agree with this...Tammy has been great for us and scored bucket-loads...but I just see him as a "one up top" player in the prem. If we played two up then maybe but not in a lone striker role..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 11:43:50 AM
We've been linked very heavily with Ezri Konsa at Brentford, who is a very similar player to Tuanzebe. I'd wager that Smith has already been told that Utd won't sell at this stage, so is planning elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 11:45:58 AM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

Yes we have. He was an important part of Villa getting promoted. If Jedi/Mad Tom had been playing instead, it might not have happened

I don't see any reason why one or two loan players can't come in again next season
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 11:48:04 AM
And next season? The season after? It's a short term benefit, I acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on May 29, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 29, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?

26, too old? Lord.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Towser on May 29, 2019, 12:00:31 PM
Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?

26, too old? Lord.
"you will win nothing with kids" (winky thing)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nastylee on May 29, 2019, 12:12:33 PM
I don't mind loans if they are done sensibly. The club have already stated that loans will be set up with options to buy rather than just random short-term thinking. In that case, it gives us a try before we buy, which is no bad thing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 29, 2019, 12:14:40 PM
We've been linked very heavily with Ezri Konsa at Brentford, who is a very similar player to Tuanzebe. I'd wager that Smith has already been told that Utd won't sell at this stage, so is planning elsewhere.

They might rethink if he's seen walking around Deansgate and Oxford Street dressed like Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on May 29, 2019, 12:17:56 PM
Loans for me are a championship necessity. Lets look at permanents now we're in the top flight. If we're short by late August and need to bolster in 1-2 positions (or cover injury) then that's when we could possibly look at loans. I'd be loathe to develop another Tuanzebe/Abraham as a Premiership side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
It doesn't work like that in the premier league, the loans transfer window is the same as the full one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on May 29, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Not to single you out Ads, a lot of people seem to say the same. But I don't think we 'need' a striker to score 20.

Only Vardy from outside the top 6 got more than 14 this season. Wilson got 14. I think next is Jimenez, Murray on 13, then King, Barnes and Perez on 12.

Also, Vardy, Wilson, Murray, King, Barnes and Perez are all strikers who came from the Championship and made the step up comfortably. I think Tammy would be fine for us, and has the potential to be great - I think he's capable of scoring 15 next year and that'd be a fantastic return.

I know the argument is he only got 5 for Swansea, but he started well for them, they were shite and the manager changed after a couple of months. Also, Swansea only 28 goals all season, so Tammy's 5 as a percentage of overall team goes was actually relatively high.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 01:50:20 PM
And next season? The season after? It's a short term benefit, I acknowledge that.

That's what loans are for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 01:50:49 PM
don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2019, 01:56:15 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield

I don't think Smith will go anywhere near Delph, at any price, and not just because of his history. I think he'll be looking for players who's careers are on an upward trajectory. That he can coach and improve. Delph has West Ham written all over him. Massive wages, half-arsed, injury-prone. Bit of a twat. Etc, etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2019, 02:02:21 PM
don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield

I'd agree with you and personally I'd take him back in a heartbeat, although it makes us left foot heavy in midfield.

I put in the squad build thread....we need a signing similar to Wolves Moutinho one last summer, dunno who, but that sort of signing it crucial IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.

That's my feeling. He might do ok and produce, but I think £25 million spent abroad might get us more of a surer thing.

I don't think Chelsea would sell anyway given their situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield

Yeah would be a very good signing, and would also cover left back (been playing there for Manchester City).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
I'd sign him and then put him in a rocket and fire him into the sun. The massive fucking snake.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
I only really noticed after Tammy got his shoulder injury and he was having difficulty getting back into his former groove how arms and legs he is. He seemed to really have trouble getting the ball out of his feet against the Albion and on Monday. It's not a reason not to sign him, admittedly, but I don't think he's balanced enough to have that Premier League ruthlessness. Ideally, you want a striker that's a combination of him and Kodjia to lead the line - strong and quick and capable of finishing quickly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 29, 2019, 02:40:18 PM
don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield

I'd agree with you and personally I'd take him back in a heartbeat, although it makes us left foot heavy in midfield.

I put in the squad build thread....we need a signing similar to Wolves Moutinho one last summer, dunno who, but that sort of signing it crucial IMO.

Aaron Mooy maybe? Too good for championship anyway
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
Tammy Abraham is 21. He has bags of potential and while he might not fill out to be Lukaku (who I actually believe has put on too much muscle and slowed him down) he is going to add weight and become stronger. He also needs to heal as he’s been carrying and injury since Sheff Wed which affected his mobility.

If the price is right I’d have him. And as importantly if not more so his attitude is absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 29, 2019, 02:47:38 PM
I'd keep Tammy if we can. He's settled here and knows what's expected of him.  He can and will get better.  Delph can go and shed his skin elsewhere. He's far to injury prone anyway. I'd prefer a younger more mobile Jedinak, don't know who though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 02:48:29 PM
I think Tammy's also developed his overall game over the past few seasons too. His back-to-goal play has improved immensely since I first saw him at Bristol City, and he has loads of potential to improve even further. I'd be happy to see us pay £25m for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on May 29, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Tammy Abraham is 21. He has bags of potential and while he might not fill out to be Lukaku (who I actually believe has put on too much muscle and slowed him down) he is going to add weight and become stronger. He also needs to heal as he’s been carrying and injury since Sheff Wed which affected his mobility.

If the price is right I’d have him. And as importantly if not more so his attitude is absolutely spot on.

I completely agree, TV.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 02:55:52 PM
Would Muapay be better suited though with his pace and playing off the shoulder?

Aguero, Vardy et al, all have that killer pace and I just think that type of forward is what is most likely to cause problems.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TaxDodger on May 29, 2019, 03:00:07 PM
Delph? We have a team managed by a Villa fan and captained by a Villa fan who seem to have developed a genuine affinity with the fan base over the last 8 months.

The last thing we need to do is sign somebody who showed the club and its fan base such a complete lack of respect as this snake did last time he was here. I don't care how well he may fit into our midfield, he can sod off and sign for Wolves or some other no mark club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership. 

Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...

***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rigadon on May 29, 2019, 03:03:43 PM
If we don’t go for / get Tammy, I wonder if the time has finally come for Benni McCarthey?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 03:03:55 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership. 

Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...

***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***

I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TaxDodger on May 29, 2019, 03:15:23 PM
This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..

Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..

Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.

I think you've just dug me out of a hole there...;-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..

Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.

Decent hold up play, could work well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 29, 2019, 03:21:02 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership. 

Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...

***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***

I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊

I don't as it's not ridiculous, it's bat shit mental.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DennisHodgetts on May 29, 2019, 03:25:26 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

Hogan's looking a less ridiculous suggestion with each post!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on May 29, 2019, 03:33:59 PM
We have to learn harsh lessons from the past.

1. Our ability to have players leave for nothing, sell at the right time.
2. Buying players with terrible injury records and thinking we can rehabilitate them.
3. Buying players who have played tiny amount of football for the last few years.
4. Buying players who are on their way down and no longer have the desire and see us as easy street.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2019, 03:41:30 PM
This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership. 

Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...

***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***

I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊

I don't as it's not ridiculous, it's bat shit mental.
Russell's been on Flange all night I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2019, 03:42:28 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.

How about Sturridge?

May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2019, 03:44:38 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

I quite like Wellbeck, works hard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 03:47:52 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.

How about Sturridge?

May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.

?? Perhaps my grammar wasn't clear, but I'd be reticent to take a chance on either Welbeck or Sturridge because of their habit of picking up injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2019, 03:56:00 PM
If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.

A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.

How about Sturridge?

May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.

?? Perhaps my grammar wasn't clear, but I'd be reticent to take a chance on either Welbeck or Sturridge because of their habit of picking up injuries.

I thought you were just comparing him to Sturridge, rather than adding Sturridge in as a suggestion.

So thought I'd explicitly add him to the list of injury prone free transfer options.

For what it's worth I agree, I'd steer clear. I'd probably just consider Kodjia to be our new third choice striker with two others ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2019, 03:56:59 PM
This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..

Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
I'd prefer to continue to develop Davis, who I think has plenty of potential to become a vey good striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
Ah OK fair enough, did think it was a case of crossed wires.

I think they all have something to offer (even Carroll) and they are on a free. But with Micah Cole Senderos etc so fresh in the memory it has to be someone else offering them two or three year deals
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 29, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
Phillips from Leeds and Bowen from Hull would give great hope when added to retaining Mings Tuanzebe etc...(I guess Tuanzebe will go back but you never know he may be sent out again).
I imagine a very large lump of cash will go on a striker
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 04:47:31 PM
Delph? We have a team managed by a Villa fan and captained by a Villa fan who seem to have developed a genuine affinity with the fan base over the last 8 months.

The last thing we need to do is sign somebody who showed the club and its fan base such a complete lack of respect as this snake did last time he was here. I don't care how well he may fit into our midfield, he can sod off and sign for Wolves or some other no mark club.


i think you'll find there were loads of posts similar to yours when we were thinking of signing Terry
people getting very aggravated about someone they didn't like and had major problems with

a few top class performances and its all water under the bridge and the blokes still here
same as it would be if Delph ever came back

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on May 29, 2019, 05:01:59 PM
Personally I think Delph got a lot of unjustified stick. He could have gone for nothing, signed a new contract that gave us a lift when we were at near rock bottom.  Ultimately I think we'd already found his replacement by the time he changed his mind.

You could argue that the £8m release clause was only half his true value but he could have waited & left for nothing.

I wouldn't mind him coming back, but I can't see it somehow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
Fuck no to Delph. That ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 29, 2019, 05:21:48 PM
We have to learn harsh lessons from the past.

1. Our ability to have players leave for nothing, sell at the right time.
2. Buying players with terrible injury records and thinking we can rehabilitate them.
3. Buying players who have played tiny amount of football for the last few years.
4. Buying players who are on their way down and no longer have the desire and see us as easy street.

I thought Christian made that absolutely clear in his interview. We will have a new, potentially two, new strikers, one of which might be Abraham but the other will not be somebody we know or mentioned on here
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 29, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.

I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season.  If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2019, 05:47:07 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.

I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season.  If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!

Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 29, 2019, 05:56:15 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.

I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season.  If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!

Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.

If he was our player and we hadn't gone up, what price would you put on his head?
When you think Kodja was £15m Hogan £12m (?) £20m - £25m for Tammy would seem to be pretty decent, when you concierge Adams, from the noses, will go for around £20m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 29, 2019, 06:03:10 PM
Adams 20 mil, I’d say closer to 10 mil. Tammy would be a reasonably risky signing at the 20mil plus Chelsea would ask. It’s all down to our scouting, but I’d prefer someone with a better first touch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on May 29, 2019, 06:07:11 PM
Adams 20 mil, I’d say closer to 10 mil. Tammy would be a reasonably risky signing at the 20mil plus Chelsea would ask. It’s all down to our scouting, but I’d prefer someone with a better first touch.

Not sure how true, but, didn't Southampton offer £15m+ for Adams in January? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2019, 06:51:45 PM
Ok I'll buck the trend.
I like Tammy for his spirit and work ethic as well as the 26 goals but.......

He is a younger Darren Bent in as much as if he is not tapping them in from inside the 18 yard box then there are periods of the game where he is anonymous. We sometimes was like we played with 10 men.
Can't carry players in the top flight and Tammy is no where near the real deal for the Premier.
If he wants to stay (and I feel he wants his chance at chelsea) then he certainly not good enough to be our main goal threat or to lead the line as his all round game is not good enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on May 29, 2019, 06:52:39 PM
Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?

26, too old? Lord.
"you will win nothing with kids" (winky thing)

26 being too old from the perspective off will he improve much above his current standard. And therefore spending that money on someone who’s never played at the top level represents a risk.

I always thought he was 21/22 and at that age the signing would make more sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
Ok I'll buck the trend.
I like Tammy for his spirit and work ethic as well as the 26 goals but.......

He is a younger Darren Bent in as much as if he is not tapping them in from inside the 18 yard box then there are periods of the game where he is anonymous. We sometimes was like we played with 10 men.
Can't carry players in the top flight and Tammy is no where near the real deal for the Premier.
If he wants to stay (and I feel he wants his chance at chelsea) then he certainly not good enough to be our main goal threat or to lead the line as his all round game is not good enough.
This.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
I also agree with this ^.  Great Championship player but will struggle in a one up top Premier division side unless he's has world class players around him.  Might do ok for Man City, but I guess they wouldn't be interested in him.  Surely better options out there?  That all said, he has been absolutely frickin great for us this season and a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa_cads on May 29, 2019, 08:18:52 PM
I have trust that the management will bring the right players in, but I'll only really be satisfied when we've signed a striker I've never heard from South America.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 08:30:05 PM
I like Tammy and reckon he will get better. I'd be happy to sign him but sign someone else too. Sadly I think Kodjia's best days are behind him and I'd like the luxury of being able to loan Keinan out to a Championship club for a season, see how good he can be.

Edit: I like the idea of the poster above, mind. It's still a bit sad that we've never signed a player from the big three in South America.

Gustavo Bartelt doesn't count.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on May 29, 2019, 08:37:37 PM
Fuck no to Delph. That ship has sailed.

TFR. His best days are behind him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2019, 09:01:04 PM
I like Tammy and reckon he will get better. I'd be happy to sign him but sign someone else too. Sadly I think Kodjia's best days are behind him and I'd like the luxury of being able to loan Keinan out to a Championship club for a season, see how good he can be.

Edit: I like the idea of the poster above, mind. It's still a bit sad that we've never signed a player from the big three in South America.

Gustavo Bartelt doesn't count.

Big 3? Colombia not bigger than Uruguay?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 09:05:03 PM
I meant historically, if you haven't won the World Cup, you're not big.

Obviously, I'm including the 1967 winners.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2019, 09:12:25 PM
Surprised at all the home grown suggestions, is MON back in town?

We will sign a couple from abroad like in January with Kalinic and Gulibert coming in.

If we're looking at hidden gem striker I'd like Seb Haller from Frankfurt. 24 and has a good record for them in the Bundesliga. Ben Yedder from Sevilla could be another interesting option.

They probably wouldn't cost that much more than Neal Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on May 29, 2019, 09:20:24 PM
Who are the three loan players we have options on?
Hause
AEG
Mings?
Tammy?
Axel?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2019, 09:36:44 PM
The first two and then a matching clause for Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2019, 09:51:55 PM
It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.

Totally agree on Tammy.

I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.

I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season.  If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!

Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.

If he was our player and we hadn't gone up, what price would you put on his head?
When you think Kodja was £15m Hogan £12m (?) £20m - £25m for Tammy would seem to be pretty decent, when you concierge Adams, from the noses, will go for around £20m


Doesn't really matter, though, does it, because he's not. I also can't believe anyone will pay that for Adams.

As others have said, he's a great championship striker, but I agree, and - just forgetting the question of price - I am far from convinced he's got what it takes to do it at the top level.

The Bent comparison rings true for me.

Let's see what happens, but I will genuinely be surprised if we even try to get him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2019, 10:03:18 PM
Err, Darren Bent wasn't too shabby as a top flight centre forward, if my memory serves me correct.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 10:07:24 PM
Quite. And Adams is nowhere fucking near that. You could buy the whole of their fucking club and their hovel of a ground for £20 million, let alone one player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2019, 10:09:50 PM
Che Adams can get fucked, along with the club he plays for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 29, 2019, 10:25:08 PM
Wouldn't mind loaning Pulisic from Chelsea
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 10:38:21 PM
That baseball cap wearing long ball stripey twat? Fuck that!

Oh, Pulisic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 10:48:19 PM
Sturridge? The bloke who plays 4 times a season, gets paid a fortune and does that fucking stupid wavy arm dance if he scores. No ta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
Sturridge? The bloke who plays 4 times a season, gets paid a fortune and does that fucking stupid wavy arm dance if he scores. No ta.

File under McCormack/Agbonlahor/Carroll/injuredtwats.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
I don’t see the comparison Bent and Tammy, completely different players.
I am not convinced that Tammy is god enough for the Prem but too young to write off.
I would trust Delano to get this right though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 11:22:11 PM
Percy suggesting we have opened talks with Bournemouth over Mings in a deal worth up to £15m.

SIGN.HIM.UP
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on May 29, 2019, 11:24:17 PM
We don’t want to be looking at (and I’m sure we won’t) anyone else’s damaged goods. Those days are gone. Thankfully!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2019, 11:25:44 PM
Yeah, Paul McGrath was rubbish. 😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
Percy suggesting we have opened talks with Bournemouth over Mings in a deal worth up to £15m.

SIGN.HIM.UP

Agreed. #getitdone! Hause and El Ghazi too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2019, 11:29:12 PM
Mings, Hause and I would sign Cahill as the experienced head in the back 4, plus you could then comfortably play a back 3 if you wanted to. Chester would obviously be the 4th centre half if fully fit.

Tammy will be a brilliant striker in the premier league in 3-4 seasons, he is going to start filling out a bit and getting stronger to match his frame, when he will become scary good in time, but next season we need someone that will hold the ball up better and get 12-15 goals too. If we could afford Tammy too, great, but we need 2 strikers this summer and to allow Davis out for a full season of football somewhere he can get his eye in.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on May 29, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
There are a few strikers who've looked great in the championship but have never really cut the mustard at PL level for one reason or another.  Grabban and Gayle for example.  Nahki Wells looked the bollox a couple of seasons ago.  You could even chuck in the likes of Gestede and Bamford who have had decent seasons in the Championship.  I fear Tammy may be that kind of level,  too good for level 2, not quite good enough for top level.  Good penalty box finisher but first touch is poor and misses a fair few sitters.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2019, 11:37:18 PM
The Sun (I know) reckon we're in for Maupay at a club record £20m. Hope this is true - he's a top class finisher who Deano signed for Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2019, 11:49:56 PM
Mings, Hause and I would sign Cahill as the experienced head in the back 4, plus you could then comfortably play a back 3 if you wanted to. Chester would obviously be the 4th centre half if fully fit.

Tammy will be a brilliant striker in the premier league in 3-4 seasons, he is going to start filling out a bit and getting stronger to match his frame, when he will become scary good in time, but next season we need someone that will hold the ball up better and get 12-15 goals too. If we could afford Tammy too, great, but we need 2 strikers this summer and to allow Davis out for a full season of football somewhere he can get his eye in.

Agree about signing Mings and permanently and would try get Tuanzebe back if possible even if it was on loan for another season.  Think those four would be fine options at CB for the coming season.

I think the areas where we need real quality buys are LB, DCM, ST and wide forwards.  Would sign El Ghazi and try and get Abraham back on loan, but don’t think either would be regular starters.  Don’t think Adomah or Green are going to be good enough and will need replacing, but Kodjia might get his finger out now he has a chance in the top flight and might be worth keeping for a season as a squad option.   

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2019, 11:51:28 PM
Kodjia will be moved on, think Davis will be more of the plan B/C option off the bench. If he can stop picking up injuries I'm interested in how he develops.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2019, 01:01:48 AM
Kid can't hit a barn door though. He needs to go somewhere that he literally gets spoonfed chances to learn how to finish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CpF on May 30, 2019, 05:17:08 AM
Davis needs to improve the quality and frequency of his shooting alright, but he has had some bad luck with deflections and saves. One or two of his shots have led to goals by others.

He is brilliant at holding it up, though. Mr Reliable. I'd say with hindsight he'd have been more use than Tammy Abraham in the PO final.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2019, 10:01:33 AM
I've seen nothing like enough from Davis to make me think he's going to be good enough.

He needs time on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2019, 10:05:10 AM
I don’t see the comparison Bent and Tammy, completely different players.
I am not convinced that Tammy is god enough for the Prem but too young to write off.
I would trust Delano to get this right though.

They're similar because if you're not getting the ball to them in the box, they're not adding enough to the team.

Tammy at least wins headers but that's not enough.

That's not to talk down his achievements this year in the championship, but on the top flight he'd be adding even less.

Bent was absolutely the same (let's not forget, he too was lethal in the box).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
I've seen nothing like enough from Davis to make me think he's going to be good enough.

He needs time on loan.


I agree, I think it would do him the world of good. A decent Championship club who would use him in the right way. Win win situation for all involved. I like Davis, but he needs to add the most vital ingredient to his game: goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 30, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
I like Davis, think he could be a useful player. Reminds me of Emile Heskey (the young version at Leicester, not the one we got) but like Heskey he needs to find the back of the net more. A season on loan in the championship would do him more good than warming our bench.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on May 30, 2019, 10:53:25 AM
The thing about Tammy, is that people remember the misses, because he HAS missed quite a few sitters.  What people don't remember, is that he keeps getting into great positions FOR those misses, which is why he still scores so many.  He has excellent strikers instincts - the thing they say you can't teach.  The rest we can work on (and, as others have said, he'll get stronger and more physical)

Now, in the Prem, he's definitely going to have to survive on fewer, more difficult chances, but at 21 he's shown enough to suggest he's got the potential to be a 15 goal a season man in the top league. And like it or not, that's a £20m+ player every day of the week.  A LOT will depend on chances created for him, but I can't for one moment imagine we're going to suddenly become a team that plays more defensively. We're going to create chances.

Put it another way, if there was another young English centre-forward who'd scored 50 goals over three seasons out on loan, I don't think too many would be unhappy being linked to them.

Let's assume the worst, and it doesn't work out, he never reaches double figures in the next few years. He's still young enough to move on and recoup some, if not all, of our investment.  He fits the profile for the sort of player we're now interested in.

I'd be very interested to see how he ranks in the whole 'moneyball' analysis we now apparently use.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
Would be interesting if the Maupay rumours turn out to be true. He's already played in a Deano side and will know exactly what to do you'd expect.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 11:35:53 AM
I'm really unsure about Maupay but I don't know what the options are really. The problem with football at the moment is that you have 10-15 clubs across Europe who are trying to sign any kid that looks capable of being a good player so all the 18-22 year old strikers who've hit double figures get linked with £50m moves to clubs like Real, Barca, Liverpool, Man City, etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
They squirrel away the nuts and then forget where they have buried them but happy that no one else has access to them. Finally digging them out when they are wasted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on May 30, 2019, 11:44:27 AM
Will this be the longest transfer thread ever? Are Bet365 getting involved with spread betting? I say 200 pages before the window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 30, 2019, 12:28:38 PM
How well do people think Tammy, Maupay or Pukki will do, realistically in the PL?. I think they were the three leading scorers in the Chumps (possibly the geezer from Sheffield Utd too). Pukki came in for free and ad the season of his life. Is it possible we could unearth someone from somewhere in the world for small change who might do something similar for a season or do we have to bite the bullet and spend big? FWIW I think Abraham is going to stay at Chelsea. I can see a bid from us for Maupay and him scoring 10-12 goals in the PL with the addition of another wide man to replace Green/Albert. I guess that could be Kodjia but I can see him leaving if a bid for a few million comes in. That then leaves us with buying another striker, loaning the one that is good but never scores and doing anything and everything to off load Hogan and McCormack - who otherwise will trouser over £7m on the rest of his contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TaxDodger on May 30, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
My friend's sister's boyfriend (I know) is apparently very good mates with Joe Lolley and apparently we're currently in negotiations with Forest over him.

We've officially bid for him and he's waiting for a call from his agent regarding whether it's been accepted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
I'm mates with one of Lolley's uni mates. I have no knowledge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2019, 01:55:30 PM
Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2019, 02:08:20 PM
Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.

I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.

Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
Fuck Moneyball, I want Galacticos.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on May 30, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.

I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.

Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.

Moneyball is all about using stats and analytics to find players who are undervalued in the market. I think Kante was discovered by Leicester using stats and they got him cheap because he was playing for a small club in Ligue 1 (I think it was Caen which is where we've bought Guilbert from).

As for our budget I think it could be relatively large as our owners are loaded but I would still expect them to be careful with who they sign, rather than just throwing money at big names as Fulham did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on May 30, 2019, 02:51:20 PM
My friend's sister's boyfriend (I know) is apparently very good mates with Joe Lolley and apparently we're currently in negotiations with Forest over him.

We've officially bid for him and he's waiting for a call from his agent regarding whether it's been accepted.

Too many apparently's in that first sentence!

What is it again? Holding The Shirt In Front Of Bodymoor Heath?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on May 30, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
Lot to be said for young and hungry but not fot young and dirt cheap.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 30, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
Low hanging fruit first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DennisHodgetts on May 30, 2019, 03:07:32 PM
Lot to be said for young and hungry but not fot young and dirt cheap.
...and able!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on May 30, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
I just hope we sign players that come here because they want to play for us rather than signing players that come here simply because we offer them more money than other teams.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 30, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
So who are the loan players that we have options on and likelihood of signing them...

Mings: possible agreement and permanent move from Bournemouth.
Hause: possible agreement and permanent move from Wolves.
Axel: any chance that Man Utd will sell or will they want to keep him now?
El Ghazi: sounds like he wants to stay but do we have any agreements in place?
Tammy: possibly the most unlikely to return to Villa Park given the situation at Chelski and likely transfer fee.

Have I missed any other players on loan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 04:45:00 PM
Mings, AEG and Hause will get done

Axel probably not
Tammy depends on what Chelsea want to do with him and what they price him at but that may not happen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 30, 2019, 05:39:34 PM
Maupay has hinted today he's keen to join according to the B'ham Mail
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on May 30, 2019, 05:39:36 PM
There are a few strikers who've looked great in the championship but have never really cut the mustard at PL level for one reason or another.  Grabban and Gayle for example.  Nahki Wells looked the bollox a couple of seasons ago.  You could even chuck in the likes of Gestede and Bamford who have had decent seasons in the Championship.  I fear Tammy may be that kind of level,  too good for level 2, not quite good enough for top level.  Good penalty box finisher but first touch is poor and misses a fair few sitters.
My thoughts all along and agree with the examples you picked out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
Alexander Isak ticks a lot of the boxes re potential, age etc. Highly rated in Sweden and a move to Dortmund followed (where he was loaned out to a Dutch club), whether he's actually any good I couldn't tell you. Would no doubt need a proven goal scorer as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2019, 05:43:21 PM
can we have Saïd Benrahma from Brentford too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
Albeit from a starting position of great misery I’m sure in the end had we not gone up we’d have been ok with the types of players Dean would have attracted as a Championship club. Even with the inevitable departures I would have made us favourites or very strong contenders next season.

But isn’t it fucking ace that we are now going to be linked with proper quality players from around the world? I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 30, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.

Same here.  If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2019, 06:32:19 PM
I can't wait for the fixture list release, oddly. I think that's when it'll feel real.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on May 30, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Been thinking about Abraham and for me it boils down to the question if there was no prior connection would we risk him as our biggest signing of the summer to lead the line in our first season back up?

For me probably not. He was unplayable for the first half of last season but worryingly anonymous at crunch time, and that’s against championship opposition. I really like his attitude and I do rate him but for the money I think there are better options.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 30, 2019, 06:37:02 PM
I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.

Same here.  If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.

How so?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 30, 2019, 06:54:10 PM
I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.

Same here.  If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.

How so?
For those who don't go to games, like me, streams for Premier League games are everywhere.  Not so much in the Championship.  Feels like I've only seen a handful of games over the last three years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2019, 07:12:40 PM
Been thinking about Abraham and for me it boils down to the question if there was no prior connection would we risk him as our biggest signing of the summer to lead the line in our first season back up?

For me probably not. He was unplayable for the first half of last season but worryingly anonymous at crunch time, and that’s against championship opposition. I really like his attitude and I do rate him but for the money I think there are better options.

I began to question signing Tammy permanently when he suggested at Wembley that God would be telling him what to do in regard to his next move. The last time that happened with Abraham it started to look bleak for his firstborn.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 07:19:49 PM
I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.

Same here.  If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.

How so?
For those who don't go to games, like me, streams for Premier League games are everywhere.  Not so much in the Championship.  Feels like I've only seen a handful of games over the last three years.

Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 30, 2019, 07:32:23 PM
It will be weird watching Match of the Day for the first time in years...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.

'Young and hungry' as it was implemented the last time was totally wrong and will fail again if we try the same thing with this board.

Bringing in young players of that ilk is fine, but the problem we had was that we relied on them - we just hoped they all magically came good, which is not a strategy, it's a route to nowhere but the Championship.

We also need to bring in some proven quality. If we had done that (and being managed by a total cock end didn't help, either) then maybe Veretout et al would have flourished with us. All i remember of his time here was him getting slaughtered for looking out of his depth - of course he was, he was dropped into a new league alongside a load of team mates who were also out of their depth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on May 30, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.

'Young and hungry' as it was implemented the last time was totally wrong and will fail again if we try the same thing with this board.

Bringing in young players of that ilk is fine, but the problem we had was that we relied on them - we just hoped they all magically came good, which is not a strategy, it's a route to nowhere but the Championship.

We also need to bring in some proven quality. If we had done that (and being managed by a total cock end didn't help, either) then maybe Veretout et al would have flourished with us. All i remember of his time here was him getting slaughtered for looking out of his depth - of course he was, he was dropped into a new league alongside a load of team mates who were also out of their depth.

And a Manager who was as well. If you offered me Gueye and Veretout now I’d snap your hand off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2019, 07:53:42 PM
James Tavernier. It will be a big step up for him after Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
It will be weird watching Match of the Day for the first time in years...
Same here. I have not watched it since our Rrrrrrr.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
Gueye was the only one that really looked a good player all the way through in fairness, and has done every since. Amavi got injured so early it was impossible to judge. The biggest issue though was that we tried to replace Benteke with Gestede and had a centre half pair of Richards and Lescott.

I actually think young and hungry is the way to go now, but mixed with the odd quality more experienced player and a genuine plan of how to play on the pitch. Example - Mings, Hause and Cahill would be a brilliant trio to get in at centre half, one young, one coming into his prime and one experienced that has still got plenty left.

In midfield we have McGinn and Grealish at 23-24 which is an ideal age. Adding a couple more players of a similar age but more combative might give us enough legs in there to cope. Our running stats the season we went down were pathetically bad, I would hope that the Villa team that go out there next season out run and out work most sides we play. Truly good sides work harder than the opposition even when they are better, it gives them an edge and Smith gets that clearly with the way we set up.

Maupay up top I have no issue with but a more experienced physical presence in the squad too would be very useful, when you look at what Murray has done for Brighton over the last 2 seasons it shows how vital a genuine goal scorer can be.

We could also do with a bit of flair in the wide areas, do the unexpected. The Brazilian guy West Ham bought last season was brilliant for them but cost £35 million. It is not a cheap place to be sadly. We also need to have an eye on building a side that can not only compete next season, but come back up easily if we go down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 08:04:00 PM
That AV Agent bloke on Twitter who doesn’t put out much and in fairness when he does gets most things right has stated Adomah is out. Which isn’t shocking. He is slowish now, getting older and slower and would be well out of his depth in the PL. So if true I’ll thank him for being a good servant to the club, played his part in us going up (that goal at Sheff Wed esp.) I’m also glad the club isn’t sitting around on these issues. I believe Dean Smith he’d be putting in a shift for the next two weeks before he goes away on holiday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 08:06:45 PM
Ps - we did young and hungry last time because Lerner has given up and we made do with what we had. And like others have suggested those players playing in a better environment would have done much better. But while we need to not only buy well with an eye to the future it cannot be our exclusive transfer strategy. We have to buy proven quality and we will likely smash our transfer record several times this season to that end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 30, 2019, 08:13:31 PM
Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.

and cheaper too. It was £13 for AVTV and $5 for ESPN+ every month...NBC Premier League Pass was $49.99 for every EPL game not shown on NBCSN et al.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 30, 2019, 08:15:09 PM
Young and hungry are only two of the boxes to tick when we make a signing.  Value for money, intelligence, whether they're a team player, how well they settle and above all quality should be considered just as much.

I wouldn't care if we bought someone old and hungry.  Just as long as they improve the the squad, ideally the first team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 30, 2019, 08:20:26 PM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2019, 08:24:51 PM
Young and hungry, under Dean Smith, would be ok.  Under Tactics Tim and a alcoholic (sorry Mr Wilkins), and some fat bloke who dished out the fitness, what did we expect?  Totally different this time around and I doubt we are talking about under 21's.  I expect they will be under 25's.  Lolley is 26, so that is also ok.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 30, 2019, 08:27:06 PM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2019, 08:40:38 PM



Goodbye albert

not renewing his contract
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on May 30, 2019, 08:41:39 PM
It's quite a bif challenge

I'd expect something like:

Mings
AN other centre back. Tuanzebe ideally. But if not probably another athletic type. I wonder about konsa at brentford. Tho w were linked w van der horn. Don't think cahill would fit. Assume there are some other foreign options.
New left back - maybe Justin from Luton, or Henry, or targett. But not the highest priority for me as I think Taylor and hause could be OK there
New DM. Probably Hayden, or Phillips or this Spanish guy
El ghazi plus two more wingers. Lolley, kent, Bowen seem obvious options. Again I assume there are some foreign options too
One or maybe 2 new strikers. Say Maupay plus a more physical striker

I'd be happy w that. I think some will say its not ambitious enough (like they did w mings and hause). But the philosophy is going to be signing well scouted players we can improve.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 30, 2019, 08:52:48 PM
Mings
AN other centre back. Tuanzebe ideally. But if not probably another athletic type. I wonder about konsa at brentford. Tho w were linked w van der horn. Don't think cahill would fit. Assume there are some other foreign options.
New left back - maybe Justin from Luton, or Henry, or targett. But not the highest priority for me as I think Taylor and hause could be OK there
New DM. Probably Hayden, or Phillips or this Spanish guy
El ghazi plus two more wingers. Lolley, kent, Bowen seem obvious options. Again I assume there are some foreign options too
One or maybe 2 new strikers. Say Maupay plus a more physical striker
That's a huge amount of new players and very little Premiership experience (although I admit I'm not familiar with some of those names).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2019, 08:54:19 PM
I obviously want Mings. Tuanzebe would be great too, but can't see it. Anwar I'm not sure is a PL player (though he has potential). I like the sound of Maupay. I think that'd do me as far as Championship players go though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 30, 2019, 08:54:41 PM
on the Sky ticker tape headlines for Aston Villa

Jack Grealish not interested in Sours
Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee
Villa interested in Lolley

for once I want to believe Sky sports
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on May 30, 2019, 08:56:19 PM
Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.

and cheaper too. It was £13 for AVTV and $5 for ESPN+ every month...NBC Premier League Pass was $49.99 for every EPL game not shown on NBCSN et al.

Another +1 not going to miss messing about with ESPN+
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.

I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.

Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.

Moneyball is all about using stats and analytics to find players who are undervalued in the market. I think Kante was discovered by Leicester using stats and they got him cheap because he was playing for a small club in Ligue 1 (I think it was Caen which is where we've bought Guilbert from).

As for our budget I think it could be relatively large as our owners are loaded but I would still expect them to be careful with who they sign, rather than just throwing money at big names as Fulham did.

Thank you mate. I understand it now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee

In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.

Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more

Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 09:17:17 PM
Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee

In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.

Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.

They will be telling us next a pen may be involved at some point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 30, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee

In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.

Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.

They will be telling us next a pen may be involved at some point.
y

Will you two stop pissing on my chips
I want to believe this stuff
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2019, 09:28:48 PM
Harry Arter apparently linked by the Irish Independent. I know the name but I know nothing about him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
I'd have Delph back if he's available.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
Arter, Whelan and Hourihane in midfield? No thanks, its hard enough watching them for Ireland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
Arter, Whelan and Hourihane in midfield? No thanks, its hard enough watching them for Ireland.

To be fair, from the quote I saw on Twitter, the article said that Stoke and Fulham want him, but he'd be interested in coming to Villa.

I guess that's similar to my choice of dinner this evening being between a halloumi salad or spaghetti carbonara, but, truth be told, I'd be interested in a night on the tiles with Keith Richards circa 1980. I had the salad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 30, 2019, 09:53:38 PM
I think Smith will want to avoid lots of changes if he can help it to preserve the spirit and momentum.

Shift those that have barely featured, or at the end of their contracts or not likely to be involved in the PL (Taylor), then secure those that were on loan this season that have performed well either on a permanent deal or another loan (Tuanzebe).

I would keep Tammy (if we have a choice) on a loan or for a sensible fee/wages though I might be tempted to play him as a wide forward rather than central striker/goalscorer. He claims it is his best position.

A bit like how we have used Kodjia, though a more regular starter (and assuming we move Kodjia on). Would also welcome Lolley if Smith and scouts think he adds quality and competition.

Not interested in Delph, Cahill, Young, or Beneteke - though I loved them all during their time at Villa (Though Delph made a real mess of his departure).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
I don't think we will go in for Cahill, not if we are lowering the overall age of the squad.  I know he's a freebie but can't see it coming off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2019, 10:09:23 PM
I wonder if Smith would  want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 30, 2019, 10:43:00 PM
With all this talk about old boys who could come back and do a job, I note that Stewart Downing has been released by Boro...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2019, 10:44:25 PM
Kid can't hit a barn door though. He needs to go somewhere that he literally gets spoonfed chances to learn how to finish.

He's not that type of striker, he's a holder and someone who can create space for others. I'm not on about him being number 1 striker so that will be the one who will hopefully get 10-15 for us and keep us ticking over.

Wasn't the premier league top scorer on 21 goals last season? So you're talking about the elite ones barely getting over 20 now.

In any case I'd like to think the midfield can chip in with goals like they did in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on May 30, 2019, 10:46:59 PM
I wonder if Smith would  want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.

You are joking! He is pants
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2019, 10:47:20 PM
No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds

Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede

Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on May 30, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
I'd have Delph back if he's available.


Please no
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2019, 10:49:51 PM
I'm really unsure about Maupay but I don't know what the options are really. The problem with football at the moment is that you have 10-15 clubs across Europe who are trying to sign any kid that looks capable of being a good player so all the 18-22 year old strikers who've hit double figures get linked with £50m moves to clubs like Real, Barca, Liverpool, Man City, etc.

Just find a decent one in europe is all we have to do. A Seb Haller at Frankfurt, a Ben Yedder at Sevilla. Wolves found Raul Jimenez from Benfica reserves after all. Frankfurt did pretty well picking up Jovic from there aswell given they're selling him to Real Madrid for 50m after one season.

It's a big wide world and we have the Spanish guy overseeing the scouting so I fully expect a decent foreign player or two to come in like El Ghazi last summer. Just going after domestic players is all a bit MON e.g. different era.

If we have to go for domestic option I wouldn't be against Rondon coming in. Did very well for Newcastle last year although guess he's waiting to see if their takeover happens.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2019, 10:53:12 PM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more

Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well

Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 30, 2019, 11:01:06 PM
Daily Mail reporting we are under a soft transfer embargo while the EFL investigates us for possible FFP breach. Wtf?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richie on May 30, 2019, 11:04:58 PM
No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds

Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede

Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish

Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2019, 11:36:23 PM
Quote
League Two side Cambridge United have signed Aston Villa striker Harvey Knibbs on a two-year contract.

The 20-year-old did not make a first-team appearance for the Villains, playing in the club's under-23 side.

U's boss Colin Calderwood worked with Knibbs when he was assistant manager at Villa Park under Steve Bruce.

"I'm quietly hoping he becomes something that no-one expects him to be," Calderwood told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.

"I think he's going to get stronger and stronger and I like the fact that he really wanted to get himself sorted fairly quickly, and didn't hang about thinking there might be something higher up the pyramid."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2019, 06:59:12 AM
presumably this thread really is all speculation whilst under an embargo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2019, 07:05:40 AM
presumably this thread really is all speculation whilst under an embargo.

Thats what every transfer thread is really. No-one really knows who is going to come in so it's speculation and suggestions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 07:12:52 AM
Is there any evidence that we are under embargo?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on May 31, 2019, 07:44:56 AM
Embargo?
That's news to me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2019, 08:13:43 AM
Reported by Sportsmail (DM) that we are under a soft embargo whatever that is whilst they conduct further investigations into FFP. Hopefully Gibson sour grapes Mk 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: phantom limb on May 31, 2019, 08:25:31 AM
They need to review FFP and how it is implemented otherwise they will get these kind of complaints from teams who didn’t go up every year. As far as I can tell the Premier League don’t give a monkeys, and there are no such financial restrictions in place once you go up, so it’s never going to work between the two leagues.

Purslow has repeatedly said that we are compliant with FFP as well, so someone is telling fibs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 31, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds

Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede

Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish

Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !

Seems daft now but back then, Grealish had just had a pretty poor season in the PL. He would have had to be in the team instead of Ayew who had been our player of the year the season before, McCormack who we'd just paid £12m for or Gestede who gave us a target point or physical presence. So perhaps not so mad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 09:52:35 AM
In all of the madness of the last few years, thank christ we binned Di Matteo as sharply as we did because he was fucking shite, an absolute charlatan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on May 31, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds

Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede

Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish

Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !


there were plenty on here saying Jack offered nothing and would sell for a half decent fee and that was long after this as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 31, 2019, 11:27:46 AM
Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was

In fairness he did show a lot of promise until he got injured and he was out for a good while.  Shoulder injury wasn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2019, 11:38:07 AM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more

Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well

Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.

you might be right SHQ

Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was

In fairness he did show a lot of promise until he got injured and he was out for a good while.  Shoulder injury wasn't it?

Cruciate I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on May 31, 2019, 12:11:33 PM
Gollini has just been called up to the full Italy squad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
I hope we added a £753 million clause if he gets called up. Will make up for the £8 trillion promotion bonus clause that Hibs and St Mirren fans seem to be expecting after McGinn got promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 01:48:00 PM
Gollini has just been called up to the full Italy squad

Glad that he's recovered from the trauma of playing behind Mad Tom when he'd completely lost it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on May 31, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.

Did he play under Deano at Brentford?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2019, 02:44:52 PM
Jota for our 15th choice midfielder is properly harsh on Small Heath.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2019, 02:49:09 PM
Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.

Did he play under Deano at Brentford?

Great post from a nose on SHA:

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This just confirms to me that villa fans actually own our club and have done for the past 8 years. They installed Carson to front it, when we started doing well they sacked rowett and bought in zola and have been slowly pulling at the thread so we slowly unravel
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2019, 02:50:44 PM
Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.

Did he play under Deano at Brentford?

Great post from a nose on SHA:

Quote
This just confirms to me that villa fans actually own our club and have done for the past 8 years. They installed Carson to front it, when we started doing well they sacked rowett and bought in zola and have been slowly pulling at the thread so we slowly unravel


It was probably a serious post too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on May 31, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Bluenose mate assures me this is happening - GG + a few million for him. Wide right, better option than Adomah/Green, can play at 10/8 if needed, Smith knows him really well from Brentford and will be able to get the best out of him. For the money seems relatively low risk?

They seem to rate him but Monk has played him wide in a 4-4-2 which is not where he's best - our system will suit him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on May 31, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
Loving the updates on Jota's wiki 😂😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andrew08 on May 31, 2019, 03:09:31 PM
Is that the one who hit it out of the ground at The Sty the season before last?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 31, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
From the wiki page for Jota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jota_(Spanish_footballer):

Aston Villa
In May 2019, Jota moved from Birmingham to Villa with Gary 'the bluenose' Gardner going the other way. Jota knows Birmingham are pants and the city is ours
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on May 31, 2019, 03:16:28 PM
Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.

Did he play under Deano at Brentford?

Yes he did. Sold him for £6m.
Personally, I think he's too inconsistent and therefor don't want him.
However, it sure feels good to get rid of Gardner
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 03:16:46 PM
I'll take this swap. Jota has potential and might be good. Gardner doesn't and won't be. If it doesn't work out, at least we've got rid of Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
Looked good at Brentford, not so good at you know where.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on May 31, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
One quote from SHA that I enjoyed:

"This is like swapping a rolls royce for a wheelbarrow"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2019, 03:27:17 PM


Nowhere near good enough for the PL
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 03:27:53 PM
One quote from SHA that I enjoyed:

"This is like swapping a rolls royce for a wheelbarrow"

Yeah, but a wheelbarrow is more use to an agricutural outfit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2019, 03:40:33 PM
Jota is an upgrade on both Green and Albert and for a few million quid plus someone who is shite, it's a steal. A good bit of early business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 31, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
A bit underwhelming on the face of it - but in Deano we trust.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
Maupay to follow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
I'm not sure if he's good enough, but for pure troll factor, us signing their best player is hilarious.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 31, 2019, 03:44:57 PM
Not excited by Jota. But that’s a good sign as I was over the moon with Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on May 31, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
Just as an individual talent he might not be much of a difference-maker, but hopefully as someone who knows the Deano MO he could help grease the wheels in our playing style overall.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on May 31, 2019, 04:02:07 PM
Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.

All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 31, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
Looked decent against us last season. Smith knows him, and must rate him as a good character to have in the squad. Better than Adomah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on May 31, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
Jota? If he's better than Green then we've swapped a player we don't use for one that improves us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Yeltzer on May 31, 2019, 04:07:05 PM
So much for a transfer embargo against us then
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
We need top starting players but it will be critical to have a solid squad of the right type of players in ability and attitude for what will be tough first season back. Jota isn’t going to get us into the CL but he might contribute in key moments. And it fucks off the noses so win-win
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 31, 2019, 04:24:44 PM
So much for a transfer embargo against us then

😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 31, 2019, 04:26:12 PM
Maupay to follow.

Info or gut?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 31, 2019, 04:28:56 PM
Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.

All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.

Plus Gardner was on just over £20k a week! So for a diff of circa £15k a week its a good deal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on May 31, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.

All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.

Apparently Suso had him at a Spanish club too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 31, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
Pleased with this. Thought he was the bomb at Brentford. Think he can step up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2019, 04:52:28 PM
Looked decent against us last season. Smith knows him, and must rate him as a good character to have in the squad. Better than Adomah.

He was taken off at their shit hole wasn't he? Very underwhelming I must say, would have thought he was far too lightweight for the top division. Carles Gil comes to mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on May 31, 2019, 04:56:53 PM
Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 31, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
According to my Twitter feed, MOMS are saying medicals today for both players.  I have no idea of the veracity of this, just thought I'd post it as I never have any ITK.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 31, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
If this happens it will be funny to watch the reactions of the fanbase - not necessarily on here - but expectations high that the rich owners can spend now the shackles of FFP are off and the first signing is a guy from Blues who didn't play much last year!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
The funniest part is we are giving them GG who is pish as the Scots might say.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 31, 2019, 05:24:01 PM
This is starting to remind me of the GT days.

Oh for a season like the last time we returned from the 2nd div. sighs whistfully
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2019, 05:26:07 PM
Avoiding relegation in the last week?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 31, 2019, 05:31:38 PM
Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
Avoiding relegation in the last week?

*whispers*

Yeah, I'd probably take that right now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on May 31, 2019, 05:38:21 PM
Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking

That was the season after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 31, 2019, 05:42:43 PM
Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking

That was the season after.

Must have been wiped from the memory banks, due to it being bad news. Sadly still can’t wipe O’Leary out though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2019, 06:11:11 PM
Is there anything to this Jota rumour? All I’ve seen is a load of people getting excited on Twitter, people with “ITK” mates and the local press picking up on it all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 31, 2019, 06:11:34 PM
Perhaps we can get Che Adams as well? Offer them £10-12m?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 06:13:22 PM
We need better than Adams, unless he was just being signed as backup.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: St AustellAVFC on May 31, 2019, 06:26:20 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 06:40:42 PM
Some people just want to see the world burn.

I'd be up for that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on May 31, 2019, 06:46:57 PM
Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.

Can’t help feeling if Gil had come here with Deano in charge it would have been a very different scenario
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on May 31, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?

No, that particular ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2019, 06:49:00 PM
Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.

Can’t help feeling if Gil had come here with Deano in charge it would have been a very different scenario

yep and Amavi , Veretout and even Adama :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 06:50:22 PM
Don't forget Gana Gueye.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on May 31, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
If this swap + cash rumour for Jota is true, then my only concern would be if he is actually any good?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
Avoiding relegation in the last week?

*whispers*

Yeah, I'd probably take that right now.


We stay up, West Ham go down, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' hilariously fail to win the title again? Yeah, go on, I'm convinced, I'll have a bit of that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2019, 07:06:12 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
I would love to see the Benteke of 2012/13 lighting up Villa Park again but I think it's too late.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2019, 07:31:11 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
I would love to see the Benteke of 2012/13 lighting up Villa Park again but I think it's too late.

I don't think he'd quite hit the same heights but I don't think he'd be a total failure either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2019, 07:34:45 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 07:39:41 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?

Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2019, 07:40:24 PM
I'd forgotten about Gil, he had talent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: simboy on May 31, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?

Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?


Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on May 31, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
I loved Benteke, but since leaving us he’s demonstrated nothing other than improving his bank balances and been a disaster for the clubs he’s played for.  China is ideal for him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 07:58:18 PM
If he was only interested in his bank balance, he'd already be in China.

We were a basket case, flirting with relegation, for most of the time he was here. Trying to insinuate that he only left to join Liverpool because of the financial incentives is disingenuous. I don't doubt he did get a pay rise, as any player leaving a relegation battler for a title challenger would do, but that doesn't mean he is motivated by greed any more than the hundreds of players we've signed from teams well below us in the league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
I'm not sure if he's good enough, but for pure troll factor, us signing their best player is hilarious.

He's far from their best player. The front two have miles better seasons than he did.

Jota was superb at Brentford. He's a 10 and struggles out wide so I just think this will be squad backup and he'll come in if Jack is out injured again.

Edit: DS is a manager who likes signing players who've worked with him previously. Got in a couple at Walsall back six months after they left and at Brentford took Rico and Romaine Sawyers with him so guess he likes the familarity and players he knows can play his system. Wonder if Konsa might come in if we can't get Axel back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
If Juicy-Bitch is one of their best players then it sums them up. 17 without a goal? Fucking shite.

He's going to look less effective shoe horned into an unbalanced and negative midfield, watching long balls sailing over his head.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2019, 08:07:25 PM
If Juicy-Bitch is one of their best players then it sums them up. 17 without a goal? Fucking shite.

He's going to look less effective shoe horned into an unbalanced and negative midfield, watching long balls sailing over his head.

He's never been a prolific scorer in his career. Think he got double figures and set up about 10 goals for Adams so yes good season.

I'd actually say it's a decent deal for SHA. Jota has never really fitted into their agricultural style while pretty sure their win percentage shot up whenever Gardner played. Obviously lost both teams to us when he couldn't play. He had a good season for them and mid table championship is his level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2019, 08:17:41 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?

Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?


Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.

Both of them were great. Neither of them could do what Benteke could do at his very best. Just look back at the variety of goals he’s scored for us and even since. He was simply outrageous at times. That said he’s no longer that player. It’s time to move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 31, 2019, 08:25:46 PM
The money we'd have to pay for him, in the hope that we could get him back to his best, which may not even be possible, makes it a non-starter for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2019, 08:34:04 PM


100% no to Benteke or any old player returning, with the possible exception of Milner, if he halved his wages and was happy to play DM
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2019, 08:35:26 PM
It's a no from me as well.  Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tim on May 31, 2019, 08:48:46 PM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?

Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?


Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.
The key point here is "...best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt". Not that he was the best, just the best in recent memory - many of us didn't see 'the greats', but we've seen plenty of non-starters recently though and there's no denying CB was brilliant for us. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FrankyH on May 31, 2019, 08:51:17 PM
It's a no from me as well.  Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.

Apart from Sid !

Don't think we will go in for him anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 09:13:56 PM
To be clear, I wasn't saying we should sign him, just replying to the previous post as to why many would consider it.

However, if we could strike a favourible loan I'd be tempted. He seemed to work well with Jack in the short time they had together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 09:17:06 PM
I'd be up for a loan, too. That's pretty low risk. If he isn't any good, he goes back. If he is... well, we all know how good he can be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2019, 09:40:33 PM


100% no to Benteke or any old player returning, with the possible exception of Milner, if he halved his wages and was happy to play DM

I'd have Milner back for that reason. Maybe young if he reduced his wages by 80% - can see him back at Watford
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Confusious says on May 31, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Christian Benteke is a no did really well for us but I can remember the problems whilst playing for us with his agent, he also went stale whilst here & Sherwood had to put his area round him to get him back on board which he did. So the baggage was too much in the end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2019, 09:54:37 PM
Sherwood had to put his area round him to get him back on board which he did.

Urgh. Poor Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2019, 10:50:34 PM
Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 10:54:54 PM
Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?

Well there hasn't been a treasure trove to pick from, has there?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2019, 10:59:10 PM
Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?

McLeish? 😱
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2019, 11:03:39 PM
Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?

McLeish? 😱

Don't say his name ffs, the trees will wither and the skies will turn grey.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on May 31, 2019, 11:04:27 PM

Jota in and Gary Gardner is heading in the opposite direction...according to the Villa View. (done deal)

Also, James Justin may not be coming to us but our number one target King Tyrone Deon Mings is a done deal (10m plus add on)

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 31, 2019, 11:06:05 PM
Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?

And that was a swap as well for that bell end Robert Hopkins
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2019, 11:25:35 PM
Jota seems a pretty innocuous but potentially very useful signing for very little. Also means if we were to go down in 12 months time, and Jack goes, Dean Smith has the number 10 that was dynamite for him at Brentford, just with better players around him. I would imagine the wage difference between him and Gardner is negligible and the 2-3 million going the other way will be partly made up of the writing off the wages Blues didn't pay towards Gardner this season I read. Put it like this, we are completely clueless in that role when Jack is out, so at least we have something creative there now. And while he isn't great out wide, he still got 11 assists last season for Blues.

I also saw a snippet that Justin is going to Stoke - haven't they got his old boss?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 31, 2019, 11:31:59 PM
We're not going down!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 01, 2019, 12:04:19 AM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more

Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well

Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.

you might be right SHQ

Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .

If we sign Lolley and El Ghazi to play with Grealish and McGinn we would need a holding midfielder like Drinkwater for some balance. Unless we are going to gamble by continuing to alternate between Hotlips and Whelan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2019, 12:15:12 AM
Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window

That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more

Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well

Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.

you might be right SHQ

Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .

If we sign Lolley and El Ghazi to play with Grealish and McGinn we would need a holding midfielder like Drinkwater for some balance. Unless we are going to gamble by continuing to alternate between Hotlips and Whelan.

I think he might want to revert to 4-2-3-1 next season, the system he played at Brentford (I think).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2019, 12:37:37 AM
The Jota deal, if it happens, makes me think of when Liverpool signed Shakiri. Not necessarily something you would think of but could be very useful in tight games when we’re struggling to break someone down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: St AustellAVFC on June 01, 2019, 12:50:32 AM
It's a no from me as well.  Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.

That’s why a 12 month loan with option at end. I’m sure Palace want rid and he’d jump at chance of coming back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 01, 2019, 12:59:52 AM
It's a no from me as well.  Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.

That’s why a 12 month loan with option at end. I’m sure Palace want rid and he’d jump at chance of coming back.

Why the fuck wouldn't he, we're a premier League club after all.  Still a no from me, he had his chance, spurned it and fucked off so now he can do one.   That is of course he wants to come back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 01, 2019, 01:00:54 AM
Benteke would jump at a chance to come back provided we paid him £££. Wouldn't want him either way tbh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2019, 01:21:46 AM
Benteke doesn't strike me as a Dean Smith player. Part of me would like him back, but the rest is saying 'fuck him and his tiny ears'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 01, 2019, 01:47:27 AM
Benteke doesn't strike me as a Dean Smith player. Part of me would like him back, but the rest is saying 'fuck him and his tiny ears'.


Haha
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 01, 2019, 06:30:35 AM
The Benteke thread on the Palace message board reads much like our Micah Richards one.
One guy is even joking the club should pay somebody to knock him off.

130k p/w...I’d remember the good times and forget about a transfer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2019, 07:50:31 AM
I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog  shit ruined him.

In Dean we trust I suppose
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2019, 08:04:49 AM
I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog  shit ruined him.

In Dean we trust I suppose

He may be the example of what we'll get this summer: players whom Smith knows and believes can be shaped into the style of play he wants to develop for the team. I know very little about Jota and so cannot comment on his capablity: I'm just enjoying the positivity and anticipatory tingle of a new season in Big League.
Leftback, striker and CMF are the critical positions to fill, after having got our loanees signed up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 01, 2019, 08:06:14 AM
Deano has worked with Jota before - he signed him. I remember Jota giving our defence the runaround in the 3-0 loss at Brentford on the last day of the window in January 2017. The night we signed Scott Hogan!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2019, 08:11:08 AM
Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Perhaps I should explain my slightly-dismissive questioning post.
Benteke was fantastic when he was with us - a young, inexperienced but enthusiastic striker with great physical attributes and an eye for goal. The 6-1 vs sunderland was a game that still lives with me as a 'great'.
Fast-forward to now: he looks burned out; a shell of his former understated dominance; his on-the-ball skills have become stumbles; his eye for goal seems blinded.
Also, was he a good influence  in the dressing room? - I seem to remember lots of player-issues during his time with us; but, maybe, that's my failing memory.

That was all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: St AustellAVFC on June 01, 2019, 08:36:22 AM
I actually think he’s a shell of his former self, because everywhere his been since us he’s not been loved. I honestly think if we could do a 12 month loan ( but not for stupid wages) it would be worth it. Anyway, apologies for bringing it up, despite being a member of this forum for many years, I don’t really put anything controversial for fear of looking like a dick.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 01, 2019, 09:06:14 AM
I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog  shit ruined him.

In Dean we trust I suppose


Jota got 10 assists in a team that scored 20 less goals than we did. Only one less than Hourihane
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
anyone not thinking this is a smart piece of business for a squad player who improves the strength of the squad needs their bumps feeling.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 01, 2019, 10:07:05 AM
Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 01, 2019, 10:22:10 AM
Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.

In this case though, it's a clear back-up option for Jack, which was needed. We aren't going to get someone of Jack's quality who is then happy to sit on the bench for most of the season.

Which U23 player do you think is ready to be a back-up for Jack in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.

Given the experienced backups that have already left, McCafu, Jedi and Mad Tom; of course Villa need to buy squad players. None of the U23s have exactly torn it up whilst out in loan. The best of the bunch was Andre and he didn’t look anything special in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
Relying on the kids if we pick up injuries, or expecting all of our first choice eleven to play thirty-five plus games, would be madness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on June 01, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
If Jota is the first one through the door that doesn't mean it was a priority it just means his signing was the easiest deal to do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
If Jota is the first one through the door that doesn't mean it was a priority it just means his signing was the easiest deal to do.

Possibly something that was lined up already regardless of what division Villa would be in.

Championship = replacement for Jack

Premier League = backup for Jack
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hipkiss92 on June 01, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
Building the squad for the European challenge in 2020/21
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 01, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.

Give Deano a chance! I'm sure deals are being lined up including experience. If we can't get Tuanzebe back, Cahill would be perfect alongside Tyrone. Cahill is right-footed to compliment Tyrone's left foot. The balance is important. Hause will be signed I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2019, 10:44:25 AM
Jota has the technique for the top level and knows how to play in a Dean Smith way. As Grealish's under study, for £5m or whatever, it would be a decent move. I'd also like to see Callum O'Hare get a Ch'ship loan move to see if he can get closer to the role Jota may take for now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villasjf on June 01, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 01, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.

Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.

We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on June 01, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
Think jota is coming as a winger, not a direct sub for Jack. Can't imagine him playing as an 8

With cahill, my main concern is whether he's got the pace to play a high press
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2019, 11:31:42 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?

I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2019, 11:33:43 AM
I'd be surprised if Jota isn't being brought in with the idea that he'll be able to play in a few positions (7, 8, 10 even) but pretty much the same role wherever he is: quick interplay with Jack, incision in the inside forward sort of areas, press snappily off the ball.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 01, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?

I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
I tend to agree with this.  Plus, he's 28 in a couple of weeks so it's not as if he's one for the future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2019, 11:47:20 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
No just few bits and bobs being cemented together at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Edge on June 01, 2019, 11:48:17 AM
I actually think he’s a shell of his former self, because everywhere his been since us he’s not been loved. I honestly think if we could do a 12 month loan ( but not for stupid wages) it would be worth it. Anyway, apologies for bringing it up, despite being a member of this forum for many years, I don’t really put anything controversial for fear of looking like a dick.
No apology needed. Were all friends here 😉 Its an interesting idea. His career has pretty much hit a wall since his heydays at Villa Park. His agent has screwed up his career on the pitch by lining his own pockets. Sure Benteke has made fortunes but that would of happened anyway. If that agent is still around i doubt we would be willing to deal with him. Having said all that its down to Dean & co whether they see him as someone who would fit our plans. Sort of "a prodigal son returning home" Personally i doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 01, 2019, 11:52:01 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
No just few bits and bobs being cemented together at the moment.

I don't think anything is set in stone at this early stage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Edge on June 01, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?

I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
He wasn't great at the sty but that place could suck the life out of anyone. Did you not see him for Brentford under Deano? Tore us a new one several times.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2019, 11:56:03 AM
If Jota is essentially a swap with Gardner I can see the sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2019, 11:56:45 AM
Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?

I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
I tend to agree with this.  Plus, he's 28 in a couple of weeks so it's not as if he's one for the future.

Based on his Blues performances sure, but as we saw dramatically with Gana, Veretout etc there can be a lot of reasons why a player doesn't look individually good in any given season - the club, the style, the teammates, the coach, any of it can make the difference. I'm not sure many on here would've given Hourihane much of a chance of making the Premier League grade, but after working with Deano he looks like he's got a chance. Jota also seems to have flourished on the right environment with Deano, so I'm willing to give him a chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 01, 2019, 12:20:15 PM
I can see the logic of signing Jota if it is a way to get Gardner off the books, whilst bringing in a more useful squad player. I can’t help thinking that he would have broken through at a higher level by the age of 28 if he was good enough. It’s a tricky balance, the need to raise the overall quality of the squad whilst not introducing too many unknown quantities (a la Fulham).

On the Gueye/ Veretout/ Amavi/ Traore point; two players who will probably play in the CL final tonight got relegated with Newcastle the same year we went down. They were both a bit further along in their careers, internationals who were sold for big money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
Jota under Smith. Yes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 01, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
I'd be fairly confident that no matter who he signs, Smith will get the best out of them. He's that kind of coach.

Anyway, his priority seems to be signing players with the right attitude, so no Billy big bollocks. Suits me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Comrade Blitz on June 01, 2019, 12:58:03 PM
Benteke can fuck off along with Delph, Bacuna, Amavi, Lescott et al ad nauseum
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 01, 2019, 01:03:00 PM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.

Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.

We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc

I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 01, 2019, 01:14:43 PM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.

Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.

We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc

I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.

Wasn't impressed with him last year, not going on loan and sitting on bench doing zilch at Chelsea. Legs are gone and I expect Smith needs a better ball player too. Avoid.

I wouldn't have been happy getting in Jota even if we were staying in the second tier. Che Adams would be far better if we have to deal with them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 01, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far?  Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now.  Just curious.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.

Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.

We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc

I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.

I don't think we'll be signing anybody who's on the way down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 01, 2019, 02:16:59 PM
Jota has signed according to the Mail.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2019, 02:22:41 PM
Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far?  Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now.  Just curious.

Not that I can see from the most cursory of Google, but I think there's no doubt he's looked abroad on terms of learning his views on playing style, so combined with Pitarch I'm hoping it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 02:28:56 PM
I will put my money in Jota looking a million times better with us than with the shit. Let’s face it. If John McGinn looked the player he looks with us right now he wouldn’t have been with us to begin with. He was great under Bruce and has been nothing short of magnificent under Smith. Players change with their environment and that place would ruin any career. Much as former PL Villa ruined many careers. Jota will do well when he plays and we will buy many better players over the summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on June 01, 2019, 02:37:51 PM
I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.

Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.

We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc

I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.

33? The last centre-half we picked up on a free from Chelsea was 36, and he did OK.  The Prem is different to the Championship though, obviously, but I doubt he'd be first-choice and if the money was OK I'd be comfortable with him being one of our 4 first-team centre-halves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa Lew on June 01, 2019, 02:41:27 PM
Can't say I was impressed the bit I saw of Jota last season, didn't know he only scored 3 goals in 40 apps last season, not exactly great for an attacking midfielder. Dean obviously knows him well, so will trust his opinion.

According to Wiki he is now a Villa player, not heard this from anywhere else.

 Wiki now saying still a Blues player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 01, 2019, 02:42:05 PM
With Elphick gone and Chester seriously injured, Cahill could still do a job in the squad as long as his wages were realistic. Mings, Hause, Axel and Cahill would be a very decent set of CBs to get us through the season (if we can sign them!).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
Chester is now fit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 01, 2019, 02:47:25 PM
I'd happily have Cahill for a season. With bolstering needed in so many positions, we can't afford to outlay big fees for more than one CB. Cahill and Mings together would be smart business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2019, 02:49:50 PM
Chester is now fit

Chester said something like, I will give it a go next season and see how it is, regarding how chronic the injury is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 01, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 01, 2019, 02:53:36 PM
Chester is now fit
Apologies. I must have misread that article that said he was out of the playoff final squad due to his knee injury. Pretty sure it said that he may never fully recover and will have to be managed. I obviously hope he can make a full recovery, returns to full fitness and can play for us again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 01, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
The odd one or two I wouldn't mind, some Premier League experience, maybe even international experience, could be invaluable, but definitely not more than one or two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2019, 03:00:34 PM
Chester is now fit

No he isn't, he doesn't even know if he'll be ready for next season.

Quote
The break over the summer will hopefully do me well and I can come back and give it a go next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 03:08:06 PM
I stand corrected. I thought he was back in training but just not match fit. Makes me want to stay fuck off Bruce yet again. Instead of bringing in an injured Bolasie for £72k a week we could have signed another CB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2019, 03:17:12 PM
No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
Absolutely, and the same goes for Benteke, this is not how we do it anymore.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 01, 2019, 03:17:28 PM
If we do sign him, as looks likely, then I'll be pleased we're getting stuff done early.  It used to drive me mad under O'Neill that we used to leave it so late.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 03:18:20 PM
Fuck wasn't that the worst. Everything was the very last minute with MON.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VillaAlways on June 01, 2019, 03:24:00 PM
Being reported as done
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2019, 03:42:13 PM
Being reported as done

What is?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 01, 2019, 04:01:30 PM
Whelan deserved another 1 year extension. You need some experience as a back up particularly as the Premier League is a big step up in class. Would really like to see Cahill signed - he now has vast experience of this league. A two-year deal on the right wages would make sense.
Villa need to be careful cutting the squad so quickly before replacements are signed. A lesson is Steve Bruce's cutting the defence last August before securing replacement defenders. Look where that ended up!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 01, 2019, 04:04:00 PM
Most news outlets saying Jota has signed for four million with Gardner going to Small Heath. Some stories about Maupay being the next one in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 01, 2019, 04:11:00 PM
I feel assured by this current regime that in letting Whelan in particular go, that homework has been done and an adequate/upgrade has been sourced and is in the queue just waiting to sign.  I feel sure that the scattergun approach to transfer activity is a thing of the past.  Transfers will be players that fit the style and character required of Smith's teams. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 01, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
I feel assured by this current regime that in letting Whelan in particular go, that homework has been done and an adequate/upgrade has been sourced and is in the queue just waiting to sign.  I feel sure that the scattergun approach to transfer activity is a thing of the past.  Transfers will be players that fit the style and character required of Smith's teams. Long may it continue.

Yep. I feel more optimistic and excited about this summer than any for a long time. I have a slight feeling of that summer under Brian Little as a kid where every time I got home and switched on teletext we had a new exciting signing, not necessarily a big name, but someone interesting. Was it Savo, Draper and Southgate all within a couple of weeks or something like that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
Whelan? Nah.

Did a decent job when called on, but it's clear that we're moving on and there's no room for sentiment when your next priority is Premier League survival.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 01, 2019, 04:24:11 PM
That little lot must free up £400/£500k per week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 01, 2019, 04:26:44 PM
I agree that this has all been planned well in advance. I'd even imagine there was a Plan A: we get promoted; Plan B: we don't.

Whilst it might not necessarily pan out, I get the sense that the club want the first team squad all in place by the time pre-season training begins.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on June 01, 2019, 04:28:42 PM
Whelan? Nah.

Did a decent job when called on, but it's clear that we're moving on and there's no room for sentiment when your next priority is Premier League survival.

Thought he'd perhaps done enough, but Stoke decided his premier league days were over two years ago.

Another factor in all these releases to consider, is that none of them are Dean Smith's players. It just sometimes seemed like they were because of what a great job he did with them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on June 01, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
I'd rather have a right-footed Tyrone Mings than Cahill...and this is a little contentious, but I have no interest in Axel as our starting right-sided central defender. He is quick and great on the floor (except in the Derby box at Wembley !) but he does not dominate in the air. He may be able to improve, but I wouldn't trust him at PL level in our first season back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 01, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
Regarding the plan A and B thing.  During the interview with Deano and Purslow, they stated that there were two plans drawn up for two different secnario's to facilitate whatever division we would be playing in.  Over the last twelve months this club has been dragged into the twenty-first century.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2019, 04:35:07 PM
Thank god we don't have to see Plan B in action.  At the very least, it would have had selling Jack and not keeping Mings at its core.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: achilles on June 01, 2019, 04:37:38 PM
I'd rather have a right-footed Tyrone Mings than Cahill...and this is a little contentious, but I have no interest in Axel as our starting right-sided central defender. He is quick and great on the floor (except in the Derby box at Wembley !) but he does not dominate in the air. He may be able to improve, but I wouldn't trust him at PL level in our first season back.

Axel will become a great defender, still a bit inexperienced but has pace, composure and can play although probably needs to bulk up a little bit, no hesitation in buying/loaning him. Cahill I don't have a problem with under the right wages for a two year spell.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
Most news outlets saying Jota has signed for four million ...
Whilst his Blues days weren't very productive, his record at Brentford was impressive - 23 goals in 69 games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
I'm OK with Jota, having a core of players who have done the business for Smith in the past and understand his way of working helps us build the squad with the right attitude, etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
Our final memories of Whelan will be really positive. Had he stayed another year at PL level they wouldn’t have been. It’s right to let him go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 01, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Still no official confirmation of Jota signing?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2019, 06:34:52 PM
When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 01, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.

Indeed, though it does confirm my feeling that the Jota deal was in both plans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 06:40:57 PM
By take stock he would have meant the PL path and what that now entails. They can now consider their options and he alluded to the fact that the club will be inundated by agents offering players. But I think this portion of it was already in place. The players being let go were always going to be let go. There has been no sentiment show less than a week after the win. And Jota was clearly already lined up with the noses. They need the money, he wanted Jota.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2019, 06:40:57 PM
When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.

Indeed, though it does confirm my feeling that the Jota deal was in both plans.

I can only come to that conclusion too. Could also speculate that since it's gone quiet about the Luton lad that he was in plan B but not plan A.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2019, 06:49:18 PM
If a deal is to he done, take it. £4m to act as back up in the supporting attacking 3 is decent.

Key positions for quality are forward, creative player, defensive midfielder and centre halves. 5 players there and we still need a left back and other squad players, of which Jota is one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far?  Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now.  Just curious.

Since 2016 Brenford have signed:

Emmanuel Ledesma (DS had him at Walsall)
Florian Jozefzoon
Sergi Canos (2.5m)
Henrik Dalsgaard
Kamhelo Mokojto
Naul Maupay (1.8m)
Mads Sorensen
Said Benherama
Julian Jenevier

So quite a few although general Brentford model is to sign majority of players without head coach input and then he has to coach them into effective unit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 01, 2019, 07:00:37 PM
Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far?  Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now.  Just curious.

Since 2016 Brenford have signed:

Emmanuel Ledesma (DS had him at Walsall)
Florian Jozefzoon
Sergi Canos (2.5m)
Henrik Dalsgaard
Kamhelo Mokojto
Naul Maupay (1.8m)
Mads Sorensen
Said Benherama
Julian Jenevier

So quite a few although general Brentford model is to sign majority of players without head coach input and then he has to coach them into effective unit.

Cheers.  I'll be honest, Maupay is the only one I've heard of.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on June 01, 2019, 07:02:16 PM
Jozefzoon came on as sub for Derby on Monday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 01, 2019, 07:04:08 PM
I've never understood or like the idea of a club buying players without the head coach/manager's input. just seems wrong and I hope it's not a road we go down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 01, 2019, 07:07:14 PM
It's also not true. He had an input into who Brentford signed, as did others, after the recruitment team identified them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2019, 07:08:44 PM
I've never understood or like the idea of a club buying players without the head coach/manager's input. just seems wrong and I hope it's not a road we go down.

I imagine he had input in likes of Romaine Sawyers and Rico Henry who were with him at Walsall.

It's the way Brentford do things, they appoint head coaches and then use the moneyball system to sign young players in areas HC wants to improve using all sorts of data.

Guess it's a mix of what we did in summer 2015 and also allowing Sherwood his own picks of Lescott, Richards and Gestede.

I'll leave everyone to decide which idea was better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2019, 07:11:35 PM
*sigh* it's sabermetrics not moneyball.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2019, 07:16:26 PM
*sigh* it's sabermetrics not moneyball.

Last time I believe the Torygraph then!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/03/brentford-defy-championship-rivals-bigger-budgets-punch-weight/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
For some reason the media seem to think they're the same thing, or that scouting young players to make a profit on is also moneyball. Using data to identify players is sabermetrics and has been around long before moneyball. Which was identifying undervalued players that could do a specific job (it was OBP for the A's) that you (well Billy Beane) valued really high but other teams didn't. Beane would have signed an 80 year old if he could get on base and was cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
I understand it as;

Sabremetrics- what Baseball is about and always has been. A huge tug over stats and data to identify the players you need.

Applied in football was perhaps Downing and Caroll signing for Liverpool with most crosses and most headers identified.

Moneyball is more a thematic strategy of buying what you want and selling what you dont need based on the sabremetric applied in analysis of your squad.

For Beane and the Oakland A's that was a focus on OBP that had been overlooked, so he was able to trade out more obvious stars who didn't conform to this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on June 01, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
I vote we rechristen sabremetrics as numberwang
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
I vote we call it sabermetrics as it has nothing to do with swords  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2019, 08:36:50 PM
Villa Report saying Abraham can return but only on a permanent deal. We are also looking at Roofe apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 01, 2019, 08:53:48 PM
I make that link number 301, not even a week after the final.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 01, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
Why is everyone so salty towards Gary Gardener - did he follow his older brother and stake his allegiance to the rags?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 01, 2019, 09:00:01 PM
Apparently Villa interested in Kemar Roofe from Leeds
Presumably to put up top over Hause
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2019, 09:03:30 PM
SIGN TAMMY
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 01, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
Tammy as a lone striker in the premier league would struggle I think.
As an inside forward off a target man and he would be very effective I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on June 01, 2019, 09:43:18 PM
Tammy as a lone striker in the premier league would struggle I think.
As an inside forward off a target man and he would be very effective I reckon.

Even if the formation is one at the front, that is never the case on the pitch in a Dean Smith team when we are attacking. As the great theorists of socialist revolution stated, there is a dialectical relationship between form and content.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2019, 10:22:48 PM
Apparently Villa interested in Kemar Roofe from Leeds
Presumably to put up top over Hause

Yes brother!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2019, 10:39:40 PM
McEachran on a free?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, reg, speculation thread
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on June 01, 2019, 10:46:24 PM
For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2019, 10:56:16 PM
For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.

That's where I am too. Cue me posting that he should fuck off back to Walsall, and that he can take that bluenose ****** Jota with him when he does!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2019, 12:31:22 AM
For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.

That's where I am too. Cue me posting that he should fuck off back to Walsall, and that he can take that bluenose c*** Jota with him when he does!

You own the right to slag him as required. I'm giving him 4...maybe 5 games next season. We better be top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 02, 2019, 09:22:37 AM
We need 4 CB's. Chester will just be a back-up option. Hopefully Hause and Mings are signed this week. I'd take Cahill for his PL experience, and he's still a very good defender. Then maybe a promising prospect from the lower leagues to bring on with JT's help and guidance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 02, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
I'd be over the moon with Tammy coming back

Look at the Premier League top scorers list, so many have come from the Championship
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2019, 10:11:36 AM
There is only two; Vardy and Wilson. Both have pace and play off the shoulder.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 02, 2019, 10:20:07 AM
Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 02, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
And Troy Deeney.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on June 02, 2019, 10:45:33 AM
Is there anyone we have not been linked to since we got promoted?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too
And Troy Deeney.
OK but who else? ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jcsutv on June 02, 2019, 11:15:09 AM
Is there anyone we have not been linked to since we got promoted?
Troy Deeney
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 02, 2019, 11:25:40 AM
Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2019, 11:28:40 AM
Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too

Not in the top ten there isn't.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 02, 2019, 11:30:06 AM
Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland

At this rate we will singlehandedly fix our neighbours FFP problems - if I remember correctly last summer they were relying on Stoke selling Butland for the sell on clause.

I’d happily take Butland as first choice with Nyland/Steer fighting it out as number two if Kalinic is to be sent out on loan / sold.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland

SHA get 20% of the transfer fee....

I find Butland a tad overrated tbh, his kicking is as bad as Guzan on an average day.

Think Neil Etheridge will be on our radar. Worked with DS and Cutler at Walsall and had a very good season for Cardiff, 11 clean sheets and saved three penalties.

Sure he'll be available for 6/7m so 20m cheaper than Butland aswell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 02, 2019, 11:41:21 AM
Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.

Cutler is the best goalkeeping coach we've had since Paul Barron in the 90s imo. If it's his opinion that Jed may struggle in premier league if he makes a few errors early on that should be respected.

I'd feel more comfortable having an experienced premier league number one in our ranks, we simply don't atm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 02, 2019, 12:35:29 PM
For some reason the media seem to think they're the same thing, or that scouting young players to make a profit on is also moneyball. Using data to identify players is sabermetrics and has been around long before moneyball. Which was identifying undervalued players that could do a specific job (it was OBP for the A's) that you (well Billy Beane) valued really high but other teams didn't. Beane would have signed an 80 year old if he could get on base and was cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics

 Are Villa signing Kevin Youkilis - The Greek God of Walks. Good news if they are, I already have two jerseys with his name on

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/kevin-youkilis-4eed78ab-6089-49d1-8744-536d788b7b5-resize-750.jpeg)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 02, 2019, 12:40:51 PM
Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.

I agree it would be harsh. We have other priority areas for sure. Let's fill those, and if by some miracle we still have some money left over and there is a viable option, then we can consider a GK.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 02, 2019, 12:41:41 PM
Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.

Cutler is the best goalkeeping coach we've had since Paul Barron in the 90s imo. If it's his opinion that Jed may struggle in premier league if he makes a few errors early on that should be respected.

Is that his opinion though?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 02, 2019, 12:45:07 PM
Is there anyone who hasn't played for Dean Smith that we've been linked to since we got promoted?
FTFY
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2019, 01:37:29 PM
I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.

Anyone punt on Milner too?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 02, 2019, 01:40:26 PM
If we can't get Axel, what about a bid for Tomori from Chelsea? He's young, quick and energetic. Possibly worth £10m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 02, 2019, 01:41:28 PM
I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.

Anyone punt on Milner too?

I'd have no problem with those two. I also wouldn't mind Delph if he made the right kind of mea culpa.

However, I suspect that Jimmy will still be wanted at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
Milner, Delph, Cahill, Benteke - why not Barry and Gueye as well, we can finally qualify for the champions league in 2015.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 02, 2019, 01:47:34 PM
I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.

Anyone punt on Milner too?
I can’t understand why we would even think bout Cahill v age and salary. That’s going against what we are trying to achieve now isn’t it ?
Yes he was good here first time around
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2019, 01:48:30 PM
We need to look forward not back. Those players are gone and all are on massive contracts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on June 02, 2019, 01:48:46 PM
Milner, Delph, Cahill, Benteke - why not Barry and Gueye as well, we can finally qualify for the champions league in 2015.

Super Marc Albrighton.  Although I seriously would bring him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 02, 2019, 01:53:45 PM
We need to look forward not back. Those players are gone and all are on massive contracts.

Forget that they used to play for Villa; what's wrong with bringing in one or two experienced Premier League players.

Milner's just played in the Champions League Final. I can't see how he'd be anything other than a beneficial signing.

I'll concede that Cahill and Delph are more complicated decisions but I don't think that the idea of signing them can be rejected out of hand.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
Milner is an exceptional pro and can easily hold his own in Prem

Cahill is because he has worked with Terry for so long - agree he would have to take massive pay cut.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2019, 02:04:52 PM
Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?

And in addition, this is Steve Bruce thinking. Buy them ready made, good to have around the place, don't need any coaching, you have to pay top dollar for lads like that etc etc. That isn't us anymore.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on June 02, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
I hope what we are trying to achieve in our transfer deals is sustainability,taking the club forward year after year.It makes sense to reduce the age of the squad and  buy younger  quality players on sensible wages who we can sell on if  some of them become surplus to requirements ,rather than subsidising their wages  at another club as we have had to do too often in the recent past.
That said,it would be churlish not to take advantage of the free transfer market if it means that we can acquire excellent players like Cahill and Milner.
In a similar vein ,would Joe Hart be a good purchase,relatively young for a keeper at 32 ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 02, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Milner is an exceptional pro and can easily hold his own in Prem

Cahill is because he has worked with Terry for so long - agree he would have to take massive pay cut.

The PL is very tough. A couple of experienced heads would be useful.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
I hope what we are trying to achieve in our transfer deals is sustainability,taking the club forward year after year.It makes sense to reduce the age of the squad and  buy younger  quality players on sensible wages who we can sell on if  some of them become surplus to requirements ,rather than subsidising their wages  at another club as we have had to do too often in the recent past.
That said,it would be churlish not to take advantage of the free transfer market if it means that we can acquire excellent players like Cahill and Milner.
In a similar vein ,would Joe Hart be a good purchase,relatively young for a keeper at 32 ?

Joe Hart isn't good enough for Burnley. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2019, 02:29:58 PM
From our 2015 intake Amavi and Gana would walk back into our team, DM and left back are serious positions we need to upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2019, 02:33:36 PM
If one of these megabuck players said I really want to play for Aston Villa and prepared to take be flexible around terms then I am sure Smith would be interested. As opposed to hiding behind an agent and acting like they will be doing us a favor by signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2019, 02:33:56 PM
Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?

And in addition, this is Steve Bruce thinking. Buy them ready made, good to have around the place, don't need any coaching, you have to pay top dollar for lads like that etc etc. That isn't us anymore.

Exactly. Let's play to our strengths, which appear to be coaching rather than bottomless resources.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
Leave the relics in their place. We go forward not backwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Some talk this morning of us being after a new keeper. I can only see that happening if Steer falls short of the incredible standards he has set himself. With Kalinic and Nyland on the books I don’t think it is at all a priority. I believe Dean will give Steer every chance to succeed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on June 02, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
Are there any players worth going for out of the relegated sides? Saw the Cardiff GK mentioned earlier, think I'd decline their left back though!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 02, 2019, 03:53:09 PM
The Cardiff keeper would be a good shout, defensive stability comes from having a sound keeper. I don't think any of the three we have are dependable.  It's harsh on Steer but that's life....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 02, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
The Cardiff keeper impressed me a lot last season to be fair. Although I do rate Steer.

Transfer rumour of the day regarding us today appears to be Rangers' James Tavernier.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on June 02, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Smith spent £7m on Kalinic. It would be very odd if he gave up on him so fast?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on June 02, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
I've lost track here folks. How many have we let go so far and were they all out of contract ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
Smith spent £7m on Kalinic. It would be very odd if he gave up on him so fast?!

I get the feeling he didn't like Lovre deciding to go off at half time v West Brom. Wasn't a big injury or anything as he was back on the bench at Stoke the next weekend.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
He had a concussion. There’s a protocol to follow and they would have followed it. And had he gone back on and it had got worse or he’d made mistakes he’d have been criticized for it. I can’t imagine Dean Smith holding that against him. Then after that he got that knee injury which allowed Steer to cement the position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 02, 2019, 05:25:18 PM
From our 2015 intake Amavi and Gana would walk back into our team, DM and left back are serious positions we need to upgrade.

I don't want any of the players in that shitehwak Villa team that go relegated coming back thanks very much.  That really was the worst team I can remember - utterly bereft of anything likeable.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
And no more yellow away kits. Nothing screamed cowards more than that Villa team embarrassing the club in those colours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 02, 2019, 06:20:05 PM
And no more yellow away kits. Nothing screamed cowards more than that Villa team embarrassing the club in those colours.
Mine makes a good cycling top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 02, 2019, 06:42:20 PM
Quite agree. What could an all round great guy who just played for the winning team in the Champion's League possibly offer us? The vast majority of new players should be younger, cheaper, part of the future not the past etc, but if anyone thinks that James Milner would be anything other than a massive asset to us next season, they need to reconnect with reality. Think John Terry last season. And he was a fuckwitt with no Villa history.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Quote
When we arrived back in Liverpool there was a huge crowd to greet us. I said to Mo, Were you expecting this welcome home? He said Yes James, I was. I said Ok.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 02, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
I haven't seen anyone suggest that Milner wouldn't be a fantastic signing, but I (and others) think there is no chance of it happening given the prospect of him playing a significant part for Red Scouse next season.

I would not go for Cahill given his likely wages (as little or no transfer fee) and we cannot really make an assessment on his sharpness, pace and fitness. He has made only two PL appearances this season and one of them was a two minutes subs appearance as a 'goodbye' at Stamford Bridge at the end of the season.

Benteke is in the last year of his contract (as per a Palace fan in the pub the other day) so they will not loan him out and he is too much of a risk to buy in my opinion. I'm also not sure he is a good fit for how Smith plays.

Also not interested in most other previous players linked, i.e. Delph, Young, Barry (!).

I would be delighted to see Gueye and/or Albrighton back - though neither have been linked and are highly unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
I would take Cahill.

We do need experienced heads who can actually still contribute which is why Jedinak and Whelan were released.

Wolves signed Moutinho last year who was 32 and he was one of best deep lying midfielders in the league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 02, 2019, 07:59:07 PM
I would take Cahill.

We do need experienced heads who can actually still contribute which is why Jedinak and Whelan were released.

Wolves signed Moutinho last year who was 32 and he was one of best deep lying midfielders in the league.

Moutinho had spent the previous season playing reguarly for a top international team and in European competition and was clearly still a top player.

Cahill, at this stage, is not one of the best centre halves in the league and has barely played for a season, not even managing to get a look-in at what is a fairly average Chelsea side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2019, 08:31:35 PM
Finishing third and winning the Europa is hardly average. Cahill is no longer a quality player and would be an expensive risk though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 02, 2019, 08:56:35 PM
Finishing third and winning the Europa is hardly average. Cahill is no longer a quality player and would be an expensive risk though.

It is by Chelsea's standards. 26 points off the title. Not playing in the Champions League. Manager about to leave to go back to Juventus. Centre back options of Rudiger, Christensen, Emerson and Luiz nowhere near the standard of most Chelsea sides of the last decade, which is why they conceded nearly double that of the other teams in the top four. Yet Cahill got nowhere near the team. It'd be a no from me, as much as I liked him when he was here.

Chester can provide the experienced input. Mings and Hause as left footed options, Tuanzebe or another up and comer as the other right footer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 02, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.

In a nutshell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 02, 2019, 11:19:50 PM
I personally think that Cahill's a bit of a no-brainer. The squad at present has virtually no top-flight experience at all and taking a guy with the experience that Cahill has, could be massive, even as a squad player. Look at all the accolades that have been given to Whelan and Jedinak for theor roles within the squad this season.   And as for taking a pay-cut, he's currently unemployed, so he won't be taking a pay-cut. He woudl have realised that his next contract would be at a vastly reduced salary and we're now in a position to offer him as good a package as anyone. If Tuanzebe isn't coming back, Cahill + a young prospect (Esri Konza looks the best of those linked) would be fine, IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on June 02, 2019, 11:23:07 PM
As it stands our only centre back is Chester, who has an injury he needs to manage for the rest of his career.

Adding Gary Cahill who is now 33 and has hardly played all season to that equation does not seem sensible.

I'm not against us bringing him in totally, Mings Hause one other and then maybe a deal for Cahill would be Ok.

I just think after such a lack of playing time he's more of a gamble than we should be taking. Especially considering his wage demands and the possiblity he'd want guarantees about playing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2019, 01:43:36 AM
I personally think that Cahill's a bit of a no-brainer. The squad at present has virtually no top-flight experience at all and taking a guy with the experience that Cahill has, could be massive, even as a squad player. Look at all the accolades that have been given to Whelan and Jedinak for theor roles within the squad this season.   And as for taking a pay-cut, he's currently unemployed, so he won't be taking a pay-cut. He woudl have realised that his next contract would be at a vastly reduced salary and we're now in a position to offer him as good a package as anyone. If Tuanzebe isn't coming back, Cahill + a young prospect (Esri Konza looks the best of those linked) would be fine, IMO.

Would certainly be looking to sign Mings and Hause, so along with Chester, think we would probably need one more CB option.  Would like to see us get Tuanzebe back even it is only another loan deal as I think we will see a much more athletic side next season.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2019, 01:59:33 AM
Quote
When we arrived back in Liverpool there was a huge crowd to greet us. I said to Mo, Were you expecting this welcome home? He said Yes James, I was. I said Ok.
“Mr Klopp said we can’t go home straight away as we have to get on a bus to go around the city for hours. I then remembered I had some carrots and potatoes stewing in my slow cooker when we left to go to Madrid. Hoping they are not over done by the time I get home tonight”
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2019, 02:54:05 AM
Quote from: James Milner
You can tell we were celebrating last night. I woke up to discover I had used up all of the tea bags provided in the hotel room. Crazy.


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 03, 2019, 03:08:49 AM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on June 03, 2019, 03:38:54 AM
No but that applies to a number of our players, nearly all of them are untested in the Premiership and to me it was clear that a majority of them had found their level in the Championship. I would rather look abroad for new talent rather than buy players from the championship that have had a good season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.

In a nutshell.

He's been gone for a long time now so he would have probably left at some point anyway but from memory, he wanted to move on anyway for regular first team football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on June 03, 2019, 07:46:35 AM
That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.

And there were people on here defending that decision, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.

And there were people on here defending that decision, too.

Amazing what winning a few games can do, manager can do wrong and even if he makes an obvious wrong decision it still gets blindly supported by a fair few.

We sold Cahill for 5m and signed Knight and Davies for a combined 15min 2007-08. We somehow got our money back for Knight (Bolton must've felt bad for us getting GC at knock down price) but he left in 2009 and by then Curtis Davies was well out of favour so our defensive replacements for Cahill were gone barely 18 months after he left.

We then signed Dunne and Collins for 10m combined and they played very well first season but again same problems not long after.

Hopefully Deano won't make a cock up on that scale but shows how badly wrong we could get things even in seasons when we were finishing 6th and it badly hurt us in the long run.

In the meantime Cahill won 61 caps for England and won at Chelsea two league titles, a CL, a europa league, a league cup and two FA cups to give you an idea of what we lost.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 11:29:22 AM
If you look at the entire defence under Mon he spent something like £50m we got about £8m on them. Losing money on players like that, when they barely improve on what you had, is completely unsustainable.

Lerner had problems later but in those 4 years he gave Mon everything he needed for the top 4 and it was completely wasted
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 03, 2019, 12:29:29 PM
The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
I remember the reasoning being that Cahill was a bring the ball out of defence style defender whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2019, 12:32:01 PM
If you look at the entire defence under Mon he spent something like £50m we got about £8m on them. Losing money on players like that, when they barely improve on what you had, is completely unsustainable.

Lerner had problems later but in those 4 years he gave Mon everything he needed for the top 4 and it was completely wasted

Lerner threw money in but never got the concept of protecting the assets we bought with it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 03, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
I remember the reasoning being that Cahill was a bring the ball out of defence style defender whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type

What a revealing argument that was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 03, 2019, 01:03:00 PM
... whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type
He certainly got that with Marlon F Harewood.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 03, 2019, 01:28:52 PM
The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?


Tbh, it seemed a bit odd that when we've got bazillions to spend, our first port of call was the little local shop round the corner. I'm not saying he couldn't be a decent signing, but I'm hoping we'll be a bit more exotic in our spending.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 03, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?

He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 03, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?

He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
Attacking full backs are worth their weight in gold these days.  Taylor is not an attacking full back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 03, 2019, 01:58:04 PM
There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.

Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.

Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 03, 2019, 01:59:42 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?

He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
Attacking full backs are worth their weight in gold these days.  Taylor is not an attacking full back.
He probably doesn't weigh much either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 02:00:36 PM

Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.

...something about Alexander of Macedonia and Eric Bristow :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?

Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg/220px-AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
Bash Street Kid - the Welsh Plug.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 03, 2019, 02:15:43 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?

Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg/220px-AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg)


worst elvis ever
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 03, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
Thank ya very much

Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg/220px-AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg)


worst elvis ever
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on June 03, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.

Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.

Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.

Yes, in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 03, 2019, 04:39:05 PM
There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.

Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.

Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.

Yes, in the Championship.

And in a team who defended deeper and didn't expose his lack of pace so much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 03, 2019, 05:10:32 PM

Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
 Was at Villa last week. Went to Spain. Now back. All seems good.

Jacob
@Yaccccccccccc
Replying to @reluctantnicko
Any idea why the jota deal has gone quite?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 03, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?


Tbh, it seemed a bit odd that when we've got bazillions to spend, our first port of call was the little local shop round the corner. I'm not saying he couldn't be a decent signing, but I'm hoping we'll be a bit more exotic in our spending.
Tbh I thought it was a clever bit of business. £4m + Gardner is basically a free transfer in premier league terms, and it seems to fill a hole that needs to be filled (lack of a backup for Grealish), leaving us with near full funds to improve the first team rather than buy squad players. DS knows him so he's not much of a gamble. Plus as a bonus it gets a player who's not likely to feature off the books.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart?  Jeez. Clickbait shite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2019, 06:16:14 PM
The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart?  Jeez. Clickbait shite.

When did we appoint Sherwood as our DoF?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 03, 2019, 06:29:13 PM
Apologies if the link isn't appropriate.

We've been linked with Cardiff's keeper:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-8m-transfer-bid-16373085
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2019, 06:43:58 PM
The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart?  Jeez. Clickbait shite.

When did we appoint Sherwood as our DoF?

Absolutely!!

Cardiff keeper eh? A more sensible link.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 03, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
Always rated him

Must spell doom for kalinic or Nyland or both as I'm sure Steer hard-earned at least a 2nd spot
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 03, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
Cant wait for our first game of the season when we can show off our revolutionary 8-8-5 formation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 03, 2019, 07:19:48 PM
I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.

I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 03, 2019, 08:29:49 PM
Would like Etheridge. I'd let Steer keep the shirt too. But we definitely need someone proven to compete with him, IMO
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on June 03, 2019, 08:47:15 PM
yeah McCormack's gone.........must have found the gate key at last
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 03, 2019, 08:53:19 PM
So we need another striker now fat boy gates has gone 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard on June 03, 2019, 08:58:26 PM
Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
I doubt we would release him on a free, we are unlikely to get our money back but would at least get something for him. The only people that would have paid to have McCormack around are the various branches of Greggs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 03, 2019, 09:06:45 PM
Ollie Watkins could do a job for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on June 03, 2019, 09:46:57 PM
We made an enquiry about Cresswell but West Ham having non of it apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2019, 09:55:34 PM
Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?

There was supposed to be a clause in his contract that if Sheffield United got promoted, they would pay a fee to sign him permanently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 03, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?

There was supposed to be a clause in his contract that if Sheffield United got promoted, they would pay a fee to sign him permanently.

Probsbly desperately looking for a loophole
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2019, 10:26:42 PM
Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?

Hogan is no McCormack. They've been equally shite or us but Hogan wanted to play (and turned up).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on June 03, 2019, 11:00:58 PM
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Henry Winter
‏Verified account @henrywinter
25m25 minutes ago

Love the way Villa know exactly what they want, players out, players to keep, targets, needing to strengthen while keeping core, Mings, El Ghazi plus building around Grealish. Link between Smith/Purslow/owners 👍 #avfc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2019, 11:10:00 PM
Purslow and Smith said last week they would deal with moving players out in the next few days before looking at bringing people in. All seems very much part of their plan.

Etheridge, Steer and Nylund for the keeper roles - Loan or sell Kalinic if we are not sure - he looked out of his depth in the Championship but I am sure someone will pay near enough what we did to take him.

Jota as a backup 10.

Mings, El Ghazi and Hause on perms.

Leaves 2 midfielders, a left back and 2 strikers as a minimum to add seriously good players to have a competitive squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2019, 11:25:18 PM
Chalobah and Hayden for centre of the park?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
Nyland didn't exactly impress.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2019, 11:35:55 PM
Purslow and Smith said last week they would deal with moving players out in the next few days before looking at bringing people in. All seems very much part of their plan.

Etheridge, Steer and Nylund for the keeper roles - Loan or sell Kalinic if we are not sure - he looked out of his depth in the Championship but I am sure someone will pay near enough what we did to take him.

Jota as a backup 10.

Mings, El Ghazi and Hause on perms.

Leaves 2 midfielders, a left back and 2 strikers as a minimum to add seriously good players to have a competitive squad.

Buying Kalinic for that money in Jan was crazy considering the state of the team at the time. Presume it was a Suso special ? Would have been a very expensive mistake if we didn't get promoted....

Etheridge would be an excellent buy. Hopefully Warnock might take Hogan or someone as part exchange.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2019, 12:05:46 AM
Chalobah and Hayden for centre of the park?

Chalobah been very injury hit at Watford. Doucoure is the one to get from there.

Hayden just strikes me as an average player who looks better as Newcastle are a defensive minded team in their general approach.

Domestic market is all wrong when he's being quoted for 20m move when there's plenty of good DMs in europe who'd go for much less. Gana for example is a much better player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on June 04, 2019, 06:32:06 AM
It does look like they think they've bought a turkey in Kalinic doesn't it? I think the consensus is he was more of a suso signing

I think the same may be true w Guilbert. So it would be interesting and possibly a bit alarming if Smith now wants Tavernier from rangers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2019, 07:34:17 AM
I think it’s way too soon to judge Kalinic. He only came in in January and he’s been injured.

I remember some people were also slating El Ghazi after a shaky start. Sometimes players take a bit of time to settle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 04, 2019, 08:26:39 AM
Nyland didn't exactly impress.
Whilst I agree, he was also playing behind a shit back four. It wasn't until Mings, Hause, Axle, Elmo & Taylor became the settled defence that things settled down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 04, 2019, 08:48:24 AM
Nyland didn't exactly impress.
Whilst I agree, he was also playing behind a shit back four. It wasn't until Mings, Hause, Axle, Elmo & Taylor became the settled defence that things settled down.

that's true but you could also use that for the reason Steer looked better than before
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on June 04, 2019, 09:55:25 AM
It does look like they think they've bought a turkey in Kalinic doesn't it? I think the consensus is he was more of a suso signing

I think the same may be true w Guilbert. So it would be interesting and possibly a bit alarming if Smith now wants Tavernier from rangers.
Harsh on Guilbert who has yet to play a game for us but seems to have had a good season in France.Could the truth be that we can  now afford to be interested in Tavernier and that offers competition for places  and flexibility ,especially as Guilbert has played in different roles in defence.I see this as a positive not something alarming.
It might spel
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2019, 10:00:47 AM
If I am being a little brutal I’m not sure any of the 3 keepers particularly inspired confidence going forward - all 3 made top class saves at various times but none of them were commanding of the penalty area when corners/long throws were coming in.

Part of me wonders whether I am too harsh on our keepers since Enckleman’s two brain farts against Small Heath though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 04, 2019, 10:51:42 AM
🔜

#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account

???
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2019, 10:52:29 AM
They're just saying we are going to be in the Premier League soon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 04, 2019, 11:13:11 AM
They're just saying we are going to be in the Premier League soon.

Awww thought it was going to be the end of the Mings wait, never mind, fancy tweeting something we already know !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 04, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
🔜

#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account

???

The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bad English on June 04, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
Yes. And all those 'it's been one week since the playoff victory' tweets. Cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 04, 2019, 11:27:28 AM
🔜

#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account

???

The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.



But also some good stuff as well to be fair.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.

I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.

Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 11:45:57 AM
We made an enquiry about Cresswell but West Ham having non of it apparently.

Didn't he choose West Ham over Villa when he left Ipswich? Not that it should stop us signing him if he is who we want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
🔜

#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account

???

The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.


They are doing their job by doing some sabre-rattling and back in the big time boasting. That is pretty much what those mediums are there for. But it isn't for me so I tend to avoid most club Twitter or Facebook stuff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 04, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
All quiet on the western front today!

Strangely so.

Calm before the storm maybe?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
The season only finished last week so things will be quiet.

I am just happy we have released the players we have - partly for the recognition that they won't cut it in the top flight but mainly because the lack of sentimentality and speed of action suggests we have been doing some actual long term planning.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 04, 2019, 01:55:15 PM
I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.

I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.

Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.

Fulham only signed one player from a team in the Championship that season - Joe Bryan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 04, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
The two transfers of recent years that I was most worried about when they happened were Kalinic and McCormack. In both cases it was because it felt like we had perhaps overpaid for them, because they aren't young but hadn't yet made the step up to one of the big top-flight leagues, and because the thought process seemed a bit lazy. Kalinic was someone we had been linked with before, and I couldn't work out why we were going back again. McCormack was the 'Championship goal machine' and had transferred for big money before, but had actually only scored regularly for a couple of isolated seasons. Going back further I was worried about Gestede for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 04, 2019, 03:04:58 PM
In Kodjia, Hogan, Gestede and McCormack didn't we buy most of the Championships top scorers over the last few seasons?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on June 04, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
I think Tavarnier would be a decent signing and wouldn't cost much, so it'd be low risk.

Then get Tierney from Celtic please.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on June 04, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 04, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on June 04, 2019, 03:57:03 PM
Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah I know, would be a risk. He does score lots of goals though...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 04, 2019, 04:00:25 PM
He has the mentality of disturbed cobra, avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2019, 04:00:33 PM
Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah I know, would be a risk. He does score lots of goals though...

Even Scott Sinclair gets a few up there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon H on June 04, 2019, 04:13:58 PM
I don’t know if he’s already been mentioned or suggested but nearly every time I’ve watched him,I’ve been genuinely impressed with Aaron Mooy. Maybe a little too similar to McGinio but,don’t see that as being a particularl drawback?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
I don’t know if he’s already been mentioned or suggested but nearly every time I’ve watched him,I’ve been genuinely impressed with Aaron Mooy. Maybe a little too similar to McGinio but,don’t see that as being a particularl drawback?
Welcome to the site Aaron :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon H on June 04, 2019, 04:25:58 PM
  :) First post in as long as McCorfat has scored for us - hence the virginal post count!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 04, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
I've wondered about Mooy as well. He looks like a Premier League player to me, I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer. I'd be happy to have him here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 04:43:57 PM
I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.

I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.

Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.

Fulham only signed one player from a team in the Championship that season - Joe Bryan.


Apologies, you are correct. One Championship player, one who had just been relegated to the Championship with Swansea, one Arsenal squad player, the permanent signing of the on loan Mitrovic and eight other foreign players. Twelve players at a cost of £100 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 04:47:36 PM
I've wondered about Mooy as well. He looks like a Premier League player to me, I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer. I'd be happy to have him here.


He was probably their best player the season before last but probably not surprisingly he didn't look so good last season. But he could probably bounce back and do a decent job for us like when Gueye went down with us and then moved on to Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon H on June 04, 2019, 04:58:26 PM
Agreed - and I’m very reliably informed that his attitude is spot on too.Fits the new requirements pretty well.Dont know how much they’d want or expect for him tho’..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 04, 2019, 05:28:37 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: achilles on June 04, 2019, 05:41:11 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday

Never fit and on mega money, a definite NO, we are no longer that club that just wasted money!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 04, 2019, 05:44:47 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.

Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 04, 2019, 05:49:32 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
Ex Villa academy. Could be worth a punt for a short term contract if he doesn't want too much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
It wouldn't. He'd want a fortune and he's always injured.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 04, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday

Good player but never plays due to injury and lack of fitness, a no from me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 04, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.

Fair point but Cahill 30 too which surprised me with us being linked to him too. Totally against grain of our younger head policy but maybe there might need to be some element of older , experienced, prem std especially as all of those attributes were in a lot of the 8 players we’ve let go
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 04, 2019, 05:57:06 PM
It wouldn't. He'd want a fortune and he's always injured.

Blimey he was earning about 200k A week there .  It to that extent but I wonder if new regime will increase our salary cap now we’ve returned to top flight ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 04, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
Sturridge may only be thirty but his knees are in their late eighties. The guy's broken.  I'd be surprised and bloody disappointed if we brought him in to clutter up the treatment table, especially when it's still got the warm indent of Micah Richards crocked arse in it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2019, 06:06:30 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.

Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist


When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.

Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist


When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.

He had an ongoing problem with one of his hooves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 04, 2019, 06:12:13 PM
Let’s hope we don’t go down the road of injury prone, expensive flops. I trust that Deano will be looking at alternative options rather than players like Sturridge.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2019, 06:19:40 PM
Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday


He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.

Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist


When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.

Owen Hargreaves was on one at Man City.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 04, 2019, 06:23:45 PM
Didn't Asa Hartford have one due to his heart surgery?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
I think they're perfectly legal so long as the player received a base salary if he wasn't able to play at all so as to avoid falling under the minimum wage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 04, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
No to Sturridge. Hopefully we’ve learned our (very expensive) lesson of signing ageing injury prone players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 04, 2019, 07:17:06 PM
Sturridge is an O Neill/Bruce type signing. If he stayed fit and playing 30 games, yes he'd score 15 goals. But that first part is a huge if. We might as well sign Andy Carroll too. I'd rather have Kodjia on the bench as an impact player. Whatever happens we need a new CF for the starting lineup, and one we can feel a bit more assured of as far as fitness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: IFWaters on June 04, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2019, 07:36:19 PM
I would sooner sign Cahill than Sturridge.  Despite being older I would back Cahill to be available for most games. Sturridge is quality, even if it just as an impact sub but his injury record is well known and the chances of him becoming the next Paul McGrath and playing week in week out against the odds are very slim. Even if we got Sturridge on loan the loan fee and his wages would be better served being spent on someone more reliable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 04, 2019, 07:53:45 PM
You only have to look back to his loan to the Bitters to see how it would work out...injured in his third game and only played in 6 in 5 months. Pretty sure he spent most of last season out injured too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 04, 2019, 08:07:27 PM
I have a concern that under Lamberk the thought was "fill your squad with championship / league 1 grade players and you will eventually end up there"

I'm all for young and hungry but I also think it needs blending with some premiership experience.

Shelvey from Newcastle anyone?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 04, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
Yes, a good shout. Right age and great potential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
Shelvey is a good player but a sulky prick. Not sure he’d fit in, attitude wise, although footballer wise, he is the type of midfielder I think would fit with Jack and SJM.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2019, 08:22:58 PM
Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?

As for Shelvey, fuck no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: johnny from donny on June 04, 2019, 08:31:12 PM
As far as Etheridge is concerned,  I wouldn't have any dealings with Cardiff City.  If we did buy him we should pay the fee to Nantes and tell them to knock it off what they're owed for Sala.p
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 04, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?

100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 04, 2019, 09:08:29 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?

100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with

Very good player, a must bid IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on June 04, 2019, 09:17:57 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?

100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with

Very good pl4ayer, a must bid IMO.
Agreed.Surprised that he hasn't featured in any transfer speculation.
As regards the striker role,who who is the better,Abrahams or Maupay or someone else who would cost £25m or less ? I would plump for Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: avfcpg on June 04, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?

100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with

Very good player, a must bid IMO.

Bowen is a very very good young player with tons of potential...unfortunately, I think he'll go to a Premier League Club....oh, hang on..... :-) 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 04, 2019, 09:30:40 PM
My guess would be Tottenham.....sadly
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 04, 2019, 09:38:07 PM
Read some nonsense (well I hope it is) about us being interested Andre Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2019, 09:54:17 PM
So, where's Jota then? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 04, 2019, 09:59:38 PM
On holiday in Rhyl at a guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SirSteveUK on June 04, 2019, 10:00:13 PM
Waiting until we are officially PL
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 04, 2019, 10:05:53 PM
Waiting until we are officially PL


Thursday we do
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 04, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
My guess would be Tottenham.....sadly

Will they offer Hull 1m plus Onomah?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 04, 2019, 11:20:36 PM
Waiting until we are officially PL


Thursday we do

I'm really excited about that date.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2019, 12:42:12 AM
I have a concern that under Lamberk the thought was "fill your squad with championship / league 1 grade players and you will eventually end up there"

I'm all for young and hungry but I also think it needs blending with some premiership experience.

Shelvey from Newcastle anyone?

I agree to some extent, but we are looking at having to build a new squad due to the number of departing players.  We should be looking at bringing in a number of players who will be pencilled in as starters and I would hope those players will be of a certain quality. Left back, defensive midfield, striker and wide forward would be positions I would like to see significant investment in.   

We do have a few holes in the squad now though and I don’t think we would be able to afford to bring in a high number of top players. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2019, 06:36:58 AM
It's definitely  concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players

Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players

Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?

As for Shelvey, fuck no.

If you appoint Dean Smith I thibk it's obvious which route you're going down
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 05, 2019, 06:46:17 AM
Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.

Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2019, 06:56:01 AM
It's definitely  concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players

Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players

Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at

These four would have been perfect for our three years in the championship, rather than thrown in at the deep end with a struggling premiership team. They would have gained confidence and, I'm sure, would have become very good players for us. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: liam on June 05, 2019, 07:39:38 AM
Fully Agree - you could tell Bennet had some quality on the ball, but confidence was shot at the end, i remember Chelsea at home and he started well, one mistake which let them in and he just didnt want the ball. But the 2 games against Cardiff last year i thought he looked good, got forward and put some good balls in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 05, 2019, 07:43:26 AM
It's definitely  concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players

Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players

Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at

These four would have been perfect for our three years in the championship, rather than thrown in at the deep end with a struggling premiership team. They would have gained confidence and, I'm sure, would have become very good players for us. 

And Westwood player of the season at Burnley last season too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 08:00:19 AM
Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on June 05, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.
I do
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 05, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
Dwight Gale was on my flight back to brum last night. A proven goalscorer in the championship, but I was surprised by his height (only about 5'7" or 5'8"). Didn't come across as a main striker in the prem where most teams only play with 1 up front, seemed ideal maybe playing off a frontman in a 442  Better chance of this happening in the championship rather than the prem.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 08:30:28 AM
Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.

Do we have to point it out ? ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?

As for Shelvey, fuck no.

If you appoint Dean Smith I thibk it's obvious which route you're going down

Well, not really as he has never managed a club with shitloads of cash to spend before.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 05, 2019, 09:11:49 AM
Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.

Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move

Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 05, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.

Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move

Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem

I thought it was that their chairman (Huw Jenkins??) pulled the plug on the deal at the last minute (as he did with the Daniel James to Leeds move) because of all of the criticism he was getting from the Swansea supporters?

If he's fit, I agree he'd be a good option in the squad, but feel he's probably more likely to chase a higher salary in Turkey, or somewhere like that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 05, 2019, 10:55:46 AM
Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.

Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move

Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem

I thought it was that their chairman (Huw Jenkins??) pulled the plug on the deal at the last minute (as he did with the Daniel James to Leeds move) because of all of the criticism he was getting from the Swansea supporters?

If he's fit, I agree he'd be a good option in the squad, but feel he's probably more likely to chase a higher salary in Turkey, or somewhere like that.

He played one more game this season after we bid for him, at the end of April, therefore he was injured and we dodged a bullet. Well done the medical team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
The same Medical team that OK'd Tom Carroll
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2019, 11:29:08 AM
Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.

I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 05, 2019, 11:52:04 AM
any truth in Valentin Rongier  or just click bait
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 05, 2019, 12:11:08 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
I just hope that we cut out all the loaning bollocks that we've done for the past 7-8 years. It can be a good think if you're hard up for cash and trying to battle relegation or get promoted but otherwise it would be nice to have a full squad of proper Aston Villa players from next season starting with err, the 5 players we had on loan last season. If the only way to get Mings next season is to have him on loan I'd take it but otherwise want permanent deals. I know the loanees played a big part getting us up but if we'd missed out again and had none of them back for next season we'd have been proper fucked.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 12:32:21 PM
any truth in Valentin Rongier  or just click bait

Rumour/Clickbait sites can't even make up their minds whether he plays for Nantes or Nice
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
Read somewhere that we only have until tomorrow to take up the option on Hause (£3m which seems a good price). As I hopefully this one will happen soon. Still no sign of the Jota deal being announced.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 05, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot?  He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on June 05, 2019, 12:41:44 PM
Moreno can run fast. That is all. He is shite defensively, his positional sense is crap, and he gets caught on his heels all the time. I just don’t think he can read the game. His final ball is so inconsistent too. Apart from that....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 05, 2019, 12:44:11 PM
Sky reported at about 11 the Jota siging is imminent. So expect him to sign for getafe within the hour
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 05, 2019, 12:44:56 PM
Moreno can run fast. That is all. He is shite defensively, his positional sense is crap, and he gets caught on his heels all the time. I just don’t think he can read the game. His final ball is so inconsistent too. Apart from that....
That's me told then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?

Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?



Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.


Ed Wesden's Garden Centres, for the completely arm's length and totally market going rate of one bajillion pounds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 05, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?

Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.

Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 05, 2019, 01:00:24 PM
Don Amott, King of Caravans
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2019, 01:17:54 PM
Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.

I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.

Does it have a Saniflow 33?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Must be a slow news day!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
So, is this Jota any good then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Sky reported at about 11 the Jota siging is imminent. So expect him to sign for getafe within the hour

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11735282/aston-villa-to-sign-jota-from-birmingham-with-gary-gardner-to-join-blues

Quote
Aston Villa are set to sign Jota from Birmingham, with Gary Gardner heading to St Andrew's, Sky Sports News understands.

Jota played for Dean Smith at Brentford before moving to Birmingham in a club-record £6m deal in the summer of 2017. The Spaniard scored eight goals in 75 appearances for the Blues.

The 27-year-old could act as a replacement for Albert Adomah, who was released by Villa after his contract expired at the end of this season, along with the experienced Mile Jedinak, Alan Hutton and Glenn Whelan.

Gardner will move in the opposite direction on a permanent deal after spending last season on loan at Birmingham, where he scored two goals in 42 appearances for the club.

The 26-year-old midfielder will follow the footsteps of his older brother Craig who made the same move nine years ago.

Blimey, is it 9 years since Gardner Sr. left Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on June 05, 2019, 01:26:22 PM


Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Billy Walker on June 05, 2019, 01:27:35 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?

Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.

Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....

One of Sawiris' interests (it might be OCI?) has a fifty percent stake in  the BESIX construction group.  I always thought that would be a great sponsor for Villa, given the postcode.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chipsticks on June 05, 2019, 01:29:08 PM


Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.

Agreed, really enjoyed this. It's good to hear an neutral, educated POV on our situation and they bring up a lot of fair concerns (i.e, the defence).

It's available on Spotify for anyone looking for something to listen to on the commute.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: baddowvillans on June 05, 2019, 02:12:45 PM
I see that Christian Eriksen want to leave Spuds to try his chances at a bigger club.  I'm thinking Andre Green plus £3m should do it for Levy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DennisHodgetts on June 05, 2019, 02:48:33 PM
20 year old son bumped into the England players at St George's last night. Got a nice selfie with Tammy, told him we were at Wembley and begged him to stay at Villa. Only reaction was a big Tammy smile. Not sure anything can be read into that! Son thought he was a great bloke, as were Loftus-Cheek and Mason Mount as it happens!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 05, 2019, 03:44:30 PM
No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.

New shirt sponsor incoming?

Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.

Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....

Sofa King
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 05, 2019, 03:48:40 PM
The talk is it's Donkey Gardner and less than £2m for Jota. I'll take that as it's the rags getting it from us for a 3rd time now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 05, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
So, is this Jota any good then?
He was good at Brentford and he ran rings around us once or twice. However it was for a team where expectations are necessarily lower and he played in fits and starts at Blues.
They may not have played to his strengths but equally you need to play to your own strengths so maybe Smith can get more out of him.
It seems like an ok deal without much outlay for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2019, 04:03:20 PM
So, is this Jota any good then?
He was good at Brentford and he ran rings around us once or twice. However it was for a team where expectations are necessarily lower and he played in fits and starts at Blues.
They may not have played to his strengths but equally you need to play to your own strengths so maybe Smith can get more out of him.
It seems like an ok deal without much outlay for us.

I agree. I'd rather have Jota as an option than a largely ineffective and somewhat agricultural GG (plus 2m)

Nobody thinks this signing is one to fill any of the crucial squad gaps we have but we've swapped a non contributing squad member for one with a bit of flair.

Fine by me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 05, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.

Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move

Fer will be thirty in a couple of months. He is also a 'Fer-king jinx' having been relegated from the Premier League with Norwich, QPR and Swansea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 05, 2019, 04:33:08 PM
Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.

I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.

Does it have a Saniflow 33?


I might get myself a replica shirt and have Saniflow 33 printed on the back for a laugh. It would make people think we had signed someone without them knowing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 05, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Gardner done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 05, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
any truth in Valentin Rongier  or just click bait

I had to Google 'Click Bait'.

Apparently he is a right back for Colorado Rapids in the MLS. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on June 05, 2019, 04:41:57 PM


Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.

Agreed, really enjoyed this. It's good to hear an neutral, educated POV on our situation and they bring up a lot of fair concerns (i.e, the defence).

It's available on Spotify for anyone looking for something to listen to on the commute.

Really good listen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement

"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 05, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement

"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
Don't worry too much, deal done for Jota.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on June 05, 2019, 04:46:49 PM
Avfc:
Gardner gone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 05, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
Yeah. Zero chance we’d have let an entire teams worth of players go (however inadequate they might be for the most part) if we then couldn’t buy anyone!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2019, 04:49:47 PM
Jota signed. Welcome and unlock his thread please, Mods 😁

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives?view=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement

"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
Don't worry too much, deal done for Jota.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives

Hah! Whoops, all good then, ignore my post ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
I wonder if Smith would  want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.

Not a bad guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2019, 05:28:47 PM
Welcome Jota. The first of many signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2019, 05:43:48 PM
E&S are claiming we need to sign Hause tomorrow, the deadline in the agreement, if we want him for £3m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 05, 2019, 06:23:25 PM
Hause would be a bargain at £3m...his partnership with Mings looked more solid than Axel and Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 05, 2019, 06:28:29 PM
£3m for someone who can play CH & LB!!!?!

Surely an absolute no brainer ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
Be silly if we don't take that up, after a shaky start he fitted in well. Guess if it were me I'd sign him on the last day though, no point running up extra wages for the sake of it. Hopefully will be signing number 2  tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
Hause has great potential. Bargain and able to cover. What’s not to like? I thought he got better and better for us until his injury and was great in his cameo in the POF.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
Hause has great potential. Bargain and able to cover. What’s not to like? I thought he got better and better for us until his injury and was great in his cameo in the POF.

Agreed, not sure why we wouldn't bite for 3m, would seem silly not to given our threadbare squad. I like him and hope we bring him back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 05, 2019, 07:18:09 PM
Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot?  He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.

Please no to Moreno. We want players on the way up not having just left the European champions
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on June 05, 2019, 07:24:37 PM
E&S are claiming we need to sign Hause tomorrow, the deadline in the agreement, if we want him for £3m.

Quote

John Percy
‏Verified account @JPercyTelegraph
3m3 minutes ago

#avfc have triggered the option to sign #Wolves defender Kortney Hause on a permanent deal. Fee of around £3m #wwfc
6 replies 20 retweets 40 likes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 05, 2019, 07:34:24 PM
Good stuff, bargain.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2019, 07:40:10 PM
Two decent squad options for £5m, plus deadwood like Gardner off the books.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2019, 07:51:47 PM
Great news imo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2019, 09:03:01 PM
It really has been nothing but great news for a 10 days now
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itbrvilla on June 05, 2019, 10:08:38 PM
I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 05, 2019, 10:13:19 PM
I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi

And Mings!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2019, 11:18:51 PM
And Gary Penrice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 06, 2019, 01:12:21 AM
£3m for someone who can play CH & LB!!!?!

Surely an absolute no brainer ?

Relatively young as well.  Would be £3m well spent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 06, 2019, 02:11:52 AM
Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot?  He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.

Please no to Moreno. We want players on the way up not having just left the European champions

It's a no from me, also. He did that stupid dance with Sturridge.

Maybe that's why they were both released at the same time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wolfman999 on June 06, 2019, 08:02:11 AM
Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2019, 08:08:15 AM
Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 06, 2019, 08:12:17 AM
I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
I don’t think we will....Jorge Mendes has bigger ideas
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 06, 2019, 08:26:19 AM
I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
I don’t think we will....Jorge Mendes has bigger ideas

If there's a clause in the deal to sign him as reported by some outlets then he can't really stop it? He'd have to convince Anwar to reject a contract offer which I doubt El Ghazi would do, but what do I know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2019, 08:38:20 AM
Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
I have no problem if Smith is buying known quantities at 'Poundland'. Jota and Hause are known quantity.
I'm sure he and Jesus also appreciate the need to buy players that will add some spice and flair to the solid, reliable squad players.
We're 10 days in ....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 06, 2019, 08:40:44 AM
Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
I have no problem if Smith is buying known quantities at 'Poundland'. Jota and Hause are known quantity.
I'm sure he and Jesus also appreciate the need to buy players that will add some spice and flair to the solid, reliable squad players.
We're 10 days in ....

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 06, 2019, 09:00:36 AM
yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: avfcpg on June 06, 2019, 09:15:13 AM
yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.

We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on June 06, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
I think that it's worth remembering that many players will still be sunning themselves on a beach somewhere. There's plenty of time for signings and June is always a quiet month. I imagine that things will pick up once teams are back in for pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2019, 09:26:03 AM
yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.

We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.

too old
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on June 06, 2019, 09:28:51 AM

We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.

too old

More Premier League experience than Messi though. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2019, 09:31:30 AM

We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.

too old

More Premier League experience than Messi though. ;)

oh go on then
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
For the time being this is the level I expect anyway. As long as the right areas are covered with players of thd right attitude that Smith knows he can get a tune out of, we'll be fine. Smith will be looking to build a 'team' at this point and I think anyone expecting the equivalent of Robinho, Silva, Toure etc at this point will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 06, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t  they?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wolfman999 on June 06, 2019, 11:59:53 AM
All valid points chaps. I'm sure it will be fine it's just I shudder at some of the names mentioned which is probably just journos speculating because they have no idea, like the rest of us, what is really going on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2019, 12:42:21 PM
All valid points chaps. I'm sure it will be fine it's just I shudder at some of the names mentioned which is probably just journos speculating because they have no idea, like the rest of us, what is really going on.

Breathe in the excitement mate. We will always get linked with the great and the shite as journo's have inches to fill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 12:49:43 PM
Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
That doesn't really mean anything though.  You could spend £90M and have a great season.  Equally you could spend buttons and get relegated.  Just depends who you buy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2019, 12:57:13 PM
Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
That doesn't really mean anything though.  You could spend £90M and have a great season.  Equally you could spend buttons and get relegated.  Just depends who you buy.

Exactly, it's about managing your purchases and having a strategy.

Fulham failed as they ripped out what made them good last season and couldn't replicate the spirit and elan that went with it. They also could stop conceding goals.

I have faith that we will bolster the squad and make three crucial signings who front, in midfield and in defence who will raise the bar of our quality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 06, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit.   That said I hope, and expect,  we will get a few in with either PL or top level European league experience.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Arsey on June 06, 2019, 01:10:03 PM
Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t  they?

The key difference is they both don’t need to sign players, they could go with largely the settled sides that got each of them promoted.

We have to sign pretty much half of a first team squad as we’ve released so many and 4 of our key players were loans.

It’s vital we do our business early to get the new players ready and the new team working together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 06, 2019, 01:11:16 PM
I'd like us to open talks with Joe Bryan at Fulham, then drop him like a stone at the eleventh hour.


...and yes, I am being petty.


UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 06, 2019, 01:11:45 PM
Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t  they?

Patrick Roberts is a good player, would have liked him at Villa under Dean
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit.
That doesn't necessarily preclude big name signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2019, 01:46:29 PM
I'd like us to open talks with Joe Bryan at Fulham, then drop him like a stone at the eleventh hour.


...and yes, I am being petty.


I want to see smith running off down the car park


UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2019, 03:04:52 PM
another rb mentioned around clickbaits

Daniel Opare  for 500k

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2019, 03:08:35 PM
another rb mentioned around clickbaits

Daniel Opare  for 500k



Brilliant for me on Champ Manager about 3 years ago
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 06, 2019, 03:16:09 PM
Is he a bit like Nani?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
Is he a bit like Nani?

mines dead so not sure
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gary Penrice on June 06, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
And Gary Penrice.

Sorry but I'm too old now I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on June 06, 2019, 04:44:07 PM
Stuart James reporting in the Guardian that we've triggered El Ghazi's 8mil release evaluation and he's set to become our second signing of the summer.

Quote
Aston Villa will complete the signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Lille in the next 24 hours after triggering the option to buy the 24-year-old winger following his successful loan last season. Villa agreed a fee when El Ghazi joined on loan last August – understood to be £8m.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/06/aston-villa-sign-anwar-el-ghazi-lille-loan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 06, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
Looks like Tammy and Axel aren’t coming back, judging by their social media posts today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 06, 2019, 05:09:42 PM
Was always going to be difficult getting those two in, for different reasons. As much as I'd have liked to get them in, i think (hope) both are replaceable. Thanks for their part in our promotion, and all the best (except when playing villa).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2019, 05:11:51 PM
Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
If it's true, I'm disappointed but not surprised.  Chelsea have their embargo thing and Man Utd rate Tuanzebe.  Maybe this brings Maupay into the picture.  I must say I hope we're looking further afield than just players who have worked with Dean before.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.

His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.

His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.
Christmassy though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.

His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.

That's true. If he arrives we can perhaps start calling him Confession.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 06, 2019, 05:32:04 PM
Another swap, this time with Kodjia?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 06, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Another swap, this time with Kodjia?

There's been a lot of outgoings, we need to build up the squad now
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
Another swap, this time with Kodjia?

Why do you think that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 06, 2019, 06:11:39 PM
El Ghazi, Hause and Mings will get done and there might be some mileage in the Etheridge links. Also Sawyers from Brentford. I presume we will chuck a fair few quid at a striker or two as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 06, 2019, 06:24:06 PM
Both Tammy & Tuanzebe will struggle for game time at Chelsea and Manchester United.  With time they may be good enough but not yet. I'm not devastated if they don't come back as I think it would both expensive and a risk. I'm not sure Tammy is the type of forward Dean looks for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 06, 2019, 06:27:28 PM
I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit.
That doesn't necessarily preclude big name signings.

I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 06:37:15 PM
I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
Fair enough.  I think that's limiting our chances though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
Tammy came through the ranks there and -if he has any chance at all to make the grade with a top 4 team - he has to grab it. Hard to call exactly how Chelsea will go re transfer ban and new manager.  If it was someone like Lampard, for example, he might be more inclined to give their loan stars a chance.

If not, it might be one to revisit in Jan or even next year. He won't be past his best in 12 months.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 06, 2019, 06:55:08 PM
I just hope our squad is better than the one that gained promotion when the 10th August is upon us....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2019, 06:58:45 PM
Axel and Tammy are good enough for an emerging Villa but not for their established clubs. I’m really grateful for their efforts in getting us up but am not too disappointed that they are not coming back. I appreciate this view is not a shared one!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 06, 2019, 07:01:59 PM
Another swap, this time with Kodjia?

Why do you think that?

I may be mis-remembering but Angers wanted Kodj in Jan IIRC
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 06, 2019, 07:02:42 PM
Concerned about centre-forward if Tammy doesn't arrive. I was hoping someone like Maupay or Adams would come in alongside him. Centre-forward is the one area we need someone we know we can depend on.

Saying that, if Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Jota are in by the end of next week, that puts us in a good position IMO. LB, CB, DM, CM, Winger and 2 x CF as a minimum. A RB and GK if we can get the right ones too. 7-9 more needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
It’s a balancing act. I’m glad we’re signing(where we have the chance) the loan players who added value. This helps ensure the core spirit of the squad is retained. We can then add a few additions of real quality hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 06, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
Fair enough.  I think that's limiting our chances though.

I'd agree, it's a risk, but that seems to be the approach they want to take, this stat based whatever-nomics approach.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2019, 07:29:03 PM
wes morgan leicester

I reckon
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
wes morgan leicester

I reckon

That sort of deal would be completely out of kilter with what Smith and co have suggested so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 06, 2019, 08:40:14 PM
Mings, Cahill, Maupay, Bowen
After that i think we will pull a few European names in

Other options I could see - Tomori, Konsa, Benrahma
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2019, 09:04:49 PM
Tammy and Axel are obvious loans in my opinion. 

They’ll do pre-season at their parent clubs and then arrive last back at Villa as the ‘window slams shut’.  Not sure either are ready for Man U/Chelsea but equally they’re potentially too good to be sold so loans are the obvious solution.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
Is there a limit to the number of loans you can have in the PL?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 09:15:29 PM
Is there a limit to the number of loans you can have in the PL?

I think it's 2 domestic loans.

I agree. Especially Axel. He'll spend pre-season with them, they'll bring in a couple of expensive centre halves and then he'll realise he isn't getting a sniff and be loaned again. Tammy depends on Chelsea's transfer ban.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Arsey on June 06, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
Tammy and Axel are obvious loans in my opinion. 

They’ll do pre-season at their parent clubs and then arrive last back at Villa as the ‘window slams shut’.  Not sure either are ready for Man U/Chelsea but equally they’re potentially too good to be sold so loans are the obvious solution.

I would take Tammy’s post today to mean that the chances of him coming back are close to zero.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 06, 2019, 09:26:36 PM
What did it say?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2019, 09:27:44 PM
tammyabraham1
Verified

Where do I start. Firstly I want to thank everyone @avfcofficial for a unforgettable season ❤️ felt the love and support from the get go & we did it together! This club will always have a place in my heart. @avfcofficial welcome to the premier league 🤘🏾😘❤️ #UTV #TA18
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
That does sound like a goodbye.  Disappointed but not gutted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 06, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
That does sound like a goodbye.  Disappointed but not gutted.
Shame, but not entirely unexpected.

Thanks for everything and all the best Tammy!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2019, 09:53:02 PM
That does sound like a goodbye.  Disappointed but not gutted.
Shame, but not entirely unexpected.

Thanks for everything and all the best Tammy!

It'll be fine. When he scores 25 for Chelsea next season, we'll buy him next summer for our Champions League campaign instead.

We'll just have to pay a bit more is all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
It may well be goodbye for now.

But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2019, 10:09:31 PM
It may well be goodbye for now.

But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.

This season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 10:14:21 PM
It may well be goodbye for now.

But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.

This season.

You mean Christensen? I did think about him but I couldn't remember if he was a youth player or they'd brought him in.

Or Hudson-Odoi who wants to leave because of lack of chances?

Either way, their record of bringing players through isn't great and I stand by my prediction...!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 10:20:21 PM
Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.

Fair enough, I'll give you that one.

On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 06, 2019, 10:21:35 PM
Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.

Fair enough, I'll give you that one.

On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)

Final year of his contract and they're getting 88 million for him, no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 10:23:22 PM
Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.

Fair enough, I'll give you that one.

On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)

Final year of his contract and they're getting 88 million for him, no brainer.

Ah, didn't realise he was almost out of contract. I suppose they might have one of the 1272 players they have out on loan earmarked as a long-term replacement
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 06, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
Isn't abramovich doing a bit of a mini-lerner, so they're not the financial force they once were?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 06, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Isn't abramovich doing a bit of a mini-lerner, so they're not the financial force they once were?

Starting to get that impression with him. Can't do the ground as cost well over a billion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2019, 10:54:58 PM
Maxi Gomez (Celta Vigo) linked by his old club chairman in Uruguay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2019, 11:18:22 PM
Maxi Gomez (Celta Vigo) linked by his old club chairman in Uruguay.

He had a great season in Spain in 17/18, goals dried up a bit this year but mobile targetman striker who'd do well in England imo so would be happy with this. In Uruguay squad for Copa America aswell.

Christian Stuani since he's left Boro has had a ridiculous scoring record for Girona so he's another I wouldn't be against us looking at although he is 32 so dosen't really fit the new policy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 06, 2019, 11:19:36 PM
Just offer Forest and Brentford the right money for Lolley and Maupay. I'd like to see us bid for Tomori from Chelsea....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 07, 2019, 12:36:53 AM
Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
Am I alone in hoping there was something in the loan move to Sheff Utd with them having a buy clause inserted should they gain promotion?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2019, 01:05:58 AM
Bradley Dack’s worth a look.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2019, 02:41:09 AM
Signing a couple of centre forwards is essential now that Tammy looks to remain at Chelski and we don’t have any proven goal scorers on the books (given that neither Kodjia or Davis will be good enough in the Premier League). There is also a genuine argument and concerns that Tammy isn’t clinical or physical enough for the PL either so hopefully better options will have already been identified.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on June 07, 2019, 04:27:53 AM
We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 07, 2019, 07:12:43 AM
We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.

Sorry, but that's a no from me. He hardly scores for a start.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2019, 07:13:57 AM
He's a big lump. Never rated him, thought Albion got the better end of the Rondon/Gayle swap and I'm not that mad on him either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nev on June 07, 2019, 07:25:28 AM
He's a big lump. Never rated him, thought Albion got the better end of the Rondon/Gayle swap and I'm not that mad on him either.

Me neither, I though that swop was the deal of the Summer and it would've worked for Sandwell if it hadn't been for those pesky neighbours.

Arf.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Tomori was linked to us in the Gruaniad earlier this week.
Dack certainly looked good earlier last season, not sure he carried it through; I thought BR had put a £20m price on his head, though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 07, 2019, 09:30:06 AM
Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 09:32:38 AM
His scoring record is excellent.  1 in 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on June 07, 2019, 09:38:01 AM
Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
He would cost about £50m and would have far better teams than us after him. No chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 07, 2019, 09:43:43 AM
Definitely sounds like a farewell from Tammy!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.

One of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too.  It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 07, 2019, 10:05:49 AM
Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.

one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too.  It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2019, 10:13:08 AM
Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.

one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too.  It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.

Not since SGT have I been as confident of a Villa head coach addressing this aspect in his transfer dealings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 07, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
I'm not so sure... We'd have needed to buy a striker anyway that addresses Tammy's short-comings - which were evident in the Championship, let alone at the next step up. The challenge will be getting the right player that will score 15+ goals in the Premier League. £30m-£40m probably.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 10:16:40 AM
Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.

one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too.  It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.

Not since SGT have I been as confident of a Villa head coach addressing this aspect in his transfer dealings.

My worry in this regard is that 'Suso' also recognises the importance here.  We seem to be scouting all corners of the globe at the moment - which in itself isn't a bad thing - I just hope that we don't just blindly follow the 'money-ball' approach in attempt to source value for money, but actually appreciate that there are other important factors, aside from stats and transfer-fee. Otherwise we might as well have kept hold of Paddy Riley...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
I'm not so sure... We'd have needed to buy a striker anyway that addresses Tammy's short-comings - which were evident in the Championship, let alone at the next step up. The challenge will be getting the right player that will score 15+ goals in the Premier League. £30m-£40m probably.

See, this is where I have to disagree. You say "short-comings" I say "imperfections." I don't think it's fair to say that a 21 year old who scored 26 goals for us last season was evidently anything other than brilliant. If that had been Keinan Davis, we'd all be talking about him as a £50m player.

My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range. Rondon might hold the ball up better, but is no better a finisher, considerably slower and can't see him having the same impact as Tammy within the squad. Ditto Mitrovic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 10:36:10 AM
My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range.
It's up to someone with a global scouting network at their disposal to answer that.  I don't accept there are no alternatives.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range.
It's up to someone with a global scouting network at their disposal to answer that.  I don't accept there are no alternatives.

I don't disagree that there will be alternatives. Possibly even improvements. I'm just not sure whether we should be looking for them at this stage. Abraham - in my opinion - guaranteed to settle-in. Guaranteed to understand what is required of him by the coaching-staff. Guaranteed to have an instant rapport with the supporters.   Highly-likely (in my opinion) to score 10-15 goals in the Premiership. Guaranteed to make us better at defending set-pieces.

If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 10:50:38 AM
If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
Fair enough.  It may all be moot anyway because judging by what he posted yesterday he isn't coming here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 07, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
Fair enough.  It may all be moot anyway because judging by what he posted yesterday he isn't coming here.

Even if Tammy does want to come back and be a regular starter in the Premier League, current circumstances at Chelsea look like meaning that he'll have to spend a season sat on their bench and starting the odd cup game. Quite rightly, his social media posts are phrased to be respectful to both clubs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 07, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
He would cost about £50m and would have far better teams than us after him. No chance.

If we sell the club right we'd have every chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2019, 01:26:56 PM
Given Juanfran is scouting la liga for us, I wonder if we have brought in Jota with half an eye on buddying New people up when we sign them?  Bit of a conspiracy theory but fantastic planning by the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
I would have no issue at all if something was worked out for Tammy but I don’t think he’s a Dean Smith type of player. I just think Dean was smart enough to play to his strengths with the players he had and that it was at Championship level. Also the Tammy is just a super character to have around and is very coachable. But I also have no doubt that there are players out there more technically aligned to the way Dean Smith wants to play. Either way I am sure we will be fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 07, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2019, 02:22:15 PM
We need to spend at least that to get a striker good enough to see us top half, I reckon. I've no idea whether said target would be worth that or not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 07, 2019, 02:24:32 PM
We need to spend at least that to get a striker good enough to see us top half, I reckon. I've no idea whether said target would be worth that or not.

To get one who everyone knows is already good enough for the top half, not necessarily for one worth taking the risk on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
If there is someone out there that fits the new Aston Villa profile, these owners will back the Head Coach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.

Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 04:14:10 PM
Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.

Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
Surely signing a top quality player now would give us a better chance of staying up (and subsequently making progress) than not?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2019, 04:26:34 PM
Best way to guarantee our Premier League status is to sign loads of brilliant players. You can't do that on the cheap.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on June 07, 2019, 04:43:38 PM
Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it.  He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2019, 05:04:55 PM
Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it.  He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?

Nothing, would be a good signing. Can see him going on to play for France and still young.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.

Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
Surely signing a top quality player now would give us a better chance of staying up (and subsequently making progress) than not?

With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 07, 2019, 07:05:03 PM
I think we needed better and different to Tammy.

We need pace and Tammy cannot play off the shoulder.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 07, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
Spot on Ads.  Bit more iron character wise would help too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SirSteveUK on June 07, 2019, 07:52:10 PM
How about a new LB ? Would recommend the one who plays for Marseille. He seems to be quite good.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
How about a new LB ? Would recommend the one who plays for Marseille. He seems to be quite good.

 ;D ;D

Looked disinterested and shit to me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2019, 08:52:28 PM
We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.

Sorry, but that's a no from me. He hardly scores for a start.

12 league goals in just over 30 games for Newcastle last season. When you think premier league top scorers got 22 that's not bad at all in defensive minded team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
11 league goals, one was the LC. He's an okay player but in 4 seasons in this country he's pretty much 1 in 4 in the league and would be a milk bottle purchase.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on June 07, 2019, 09:02:50 PM
Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it.  He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?

Think we're all still stung from Scott Hogan. Much prefer Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 07, 2019, 09:39:44 PM
With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
That's my thinking. There'll need to be 9 players come in for the squad to be the same size as it was last month, which might well happen but I can't see many being over the £10m-£15m mark, purely because it'd cost way too much
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2019, 10:41:52 PM
Way to go is to get a development striker in (Maupay) and then international standard striker as your sure bet. Given we could be spending 15-20m on Maupay I'd say a season long loan for experience striker could be way to go despite what Purslow said the other day.

Many premier league clubs finishing in positions we want to do this.

I just worry if we sign Maupay and we immediately make him number one striker it could backfire a little like Gestede although he has more to his game than Rudy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 07, 2019, 10:48:02 PM
With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
That's my thinking. There'll need to be 9 players come in for the squad to be the same size as it was last month, which might well happen but I can't see many being over the £10m-£15m mark, purely because it'd cost way too much

There's still a bit of fat that can be trimmed so I think there'll be plenty to spend on one or two of real quality.

We still have Hogan, Tshibola, Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Bree contracted who contribute very little to nothing.

We need the finance to be concentrated on players who contribute rather than subsidising players who are never going to play, and to stop stockpiling players in one area (goalkeepers/right backs) and balance the squad properly.

We've released 10 and are likely to lose 2 loan players, but of those 12 how much did Bunn, De Laet, McCormack, Gardner, Richards contribute. Even Elphick and Jedinak played very few times. Hutton has already been replaced by Guilbert. We've lost 1 goalie out of our 5, and we've lost 2 right backs net but gained a sub-Jack in Jota - a great example of what I mean by proper balance in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 10:53:08 PM
I would expect Hogan, BB, Tshibola and Bree to all go this summer, either permanently or on loan. Keinan Davis too. I reckon we need at least one new keeper, 2 centre-backs, one left back, 2 central midfielders, one winger and two strikers so that’s 9 as a bare minimum.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 07, 2019, 10:59:29 PM
I would expect Hogan, BB, Tshibola and Bree to all go this summer, either permanently or on loan. Keinan Davis too. I reckon we need at least one new keeper, 2 centre-backs, one left back, 2 central midfielders, one winger and two strikers so that’s 9 as a bare minimum.

I don't disagree with that, but we need to continue with this wonderfully ruthless culling of dead weight as well.

We won't need Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, another keeper and Sarkic all in the squad for example. Two senior keepers and Sarkic as back-up (if they think he's good enough, if not another young keeper).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2019, 11:06:04 PM
I imagine Kalinic will go, probably on-loan. Nyland’s not fully fit yet (and still with a big ? hanging over him) so signing Etheridge would just give us 2 decent keepers - an absolute pre-requisite in this league. Kodjia was supposedly close to leaving in Jan- will he be sticking around now?

We’ve no idea whether James Chester will return to full fitness, or form even if he does. Grealish & McGinn aside, there’s very little guaranteed Premiership quality in our squad. I agree that we need a cull of the deadwood, but we also need a major, major recruitment drive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinEaton on June 07, 2019, 11:31:38 PM
I’d sign Tammy plus another striker. I don’t see that it’s one or the other. Tammy has stated before that his favourite position is wide in a front 3 and I think he could be a real asset in that role alongside a more experienced/prolific central striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 07, 2019, 11:37:12 PM
Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 07, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
No
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2019, 11:54:39 PM
Lorente for a season and Maupay might be a decent shout. The former would score in our side the way we get the ball across.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2019, 12:14:01 AM
Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton

Hell, no. Richards/Lescott Mark III.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 08, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton

Wouldn't it rather defeat the point of releasing all our older, no longer good enough for the Premier League players to sign a 35-year old centre half bombed out on loan to Stoke for last season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2019, 12:46:14 AM
Maxi Gomez just scored for Uruguay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 01:11:42 AM
Huh, I had no idea that Villa legend Carlos Gil plays for New England Revolution in MLS
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 08, 2019, 07:56:40 AM
Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton

Hell, no. Richards/Lescott Mark III.

No. Not had a good game since we got relegated seemingly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
I would hope we've moved on from the Williams type shit. It's taken us years to get our own crocks out as it is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 08, 2019, 08:43:50 AM
I like Maupay but cannot get the snidey nasty cowardly stamp he did on SJG at VP last season out of my mind. My dog shit supporting mate reckons he has form and did something similar against them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 08, 2019, 09:23:40 AM
Batshauyi on loan might be a shout, albeit a very unimaginative one. Someone like Maupay alongside him seems ideal to mitigate the risk of going all in on Championship players.

Like the look of Tomori to replace Axel

Etheridge coming in to replace Kalinic with Steer holding the shirt sounds smart too.

Like the idea of Lolley and Tavernier. DM someone like Phillips (would be difficult to get now Bielsa is staying) or Chalobah

There's so much work to be done in key areas - CB, LB, DM, CF all need to be hits.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on June 08, 2019, 09:36:45 AM
For once, I am really content to wait and see what Dean and the crew bring in. It's been a long time since I could say this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 08, 2019, 10:00:50 AM
He’ll probably head to Spurs, but Sessegnon would be an upgrade at LB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 08, 2019, 11:44:05 AM
Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton

Wouldn't it rather defeat the point of releasing all our older, no longer good enough for the Premier League players to sign a 35-year old centre half bombed out on loan to Stoke for last season?
Yes but we still get linked with Cahill and he’s in that category... wouldn’t think he’ll drop that much wages though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 08, 2019, 12:43:46 PM
Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 08, 2019, 12:52:24 PM
Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.

Solitaires the only game in town
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 08, 2019, 01:18:44 PM
Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.

Watching the goals go by.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 08, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
Sessegnon is a good shout but does he really see himself as a left back?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2019, 01:41:06 PM
Sessegnon is a good shout but does he really see himself as a left back?
Did not look great once he stepped up to the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2019, 01:44:21 PM
Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it.  He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?

Nothing, would be a good signing. Can see him going on to play for France and still young.

He's a wonderful player, great technique, fast, hard working, like Tammy get's himself in the right positions but can also score from outside the 6 yard box, good with both feet and his head, overall exactly what any team would want. My only concern is he is a bit too lightweight to play as the lone striker. Put him alongside somebody stronger and we'll score for fun.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 02:39:34 PM
We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.

Yes please
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 08, 2019, 02:49:04 PM
Where did you hear that TV?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2019, 02:49:55 PM
He would be a big upgrade on Albert
https://youtu.be/dLsbT8OgkEQ
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 02:51:05 PM
Another Smith player.  Pffft.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 08, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.
Benrahma hasn't scored against us.
Maupay scored all their goals against us last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 03:17:08 PM
Where did you hear that TV?

It’s someone I follow on Twitter called AV Agent. He’s pretty much been on the money when he does mention things. So while not 100% (they never are until the shirt stretching happens) there seems a decent chance that the offer has been made.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 08, 2019, 03:53:07 PM
Where did you hear that TV?

It’s someone I follow on Twitter called AV Agent. He’s pretty much been on the money when he does mention things. So while not 100% (they never are until the shirt stretching happens) there seems a decent chance that the offer has been made.

Picked up now on Newsnow too. Story copied from the Daily Star from a French outlet. 10m Euros.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 08, 2019, 03:59:07 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 08, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
Perhaps I'm being a bit impatient but I'll feel better once new signings, especially Mings arrive. The squad looks awfully thin at the moment. I thought I could relax after all the drama and stress of the play-offs!
I'd like our owners to put a marker down with a marquee signing like Gomez. No point pissing around!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 08, 2019, 04:44:00 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
My thoughts as well. Actually, Dean Smith hasn't worked with him that much, as he only started him 4 times in the league.
I only saw Brentford when they played well but they also had a habit of going on some poor runs. Moreover, playing at Brentford and Villa are necessarily different challenges, as Hogan soon found out; although I think Benrahma is a much better player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 08, 2019, 05:20:21 PM
These sites on Twitter seem to be reporting El Ghazi has signed a 4 year deal. Not sure though, it's all Dutch to me.
https://www.vtbl.nl/nieuws/artikel/4739756/el-ghazi-verlengt-en-blijft-langer-bij-aston-villa
https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=353212
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 05:23:40 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
My thoughts as well. Actually, Dean Smith hasn't worked with him that much, as he only started him 4 times in the league.
I only saw Brentford when they played well but they also had a habit of going on some poor runs. Moreover, playing at Brentford and Villa are necessarily different challenges, as Hogan soon found out; although I think Benrahma is a much better player.
Smith must have signed him though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 05:33:16 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?

I imagine that he had talented players just not enough of them or the squad depth to see it through. But there is no doubt he managed to bring through or acquire a number of very talented players who could make the step up. What will be critical is that we just don’t rely on that approach and that we add 2 or 3 proven quality pieces. We have lots to do so we will need to bring a number of players who will be starting and challenging to start across the PL season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2019, 05:39:46 PM
Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 08, 2019, 05:40:26 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?

I imagine that he had talented players just not enough of them or the squad depth to see it through. But there is no doubt he managed to bring through or acquire a number of very talented players who could make the step up. What will be critical is that we just don’t rely on that approach and that we add 2 or 3 proven quality pieces. We have lots to do so we will need to bring a number of players who will be starting and challenging to start across the PL season.
On this point about Brentford players stepping up, it's interesting that Mepham has not had many games at Bournemouth since his January move. Unless you count 13 as 'many'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 08, 2019, 05:47:30 PM
Isn’t it usual these days that clubs talk to players before they agree the fee? If so, I wonder if the Brentford deal is further down the line?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 06:08:12 PM
Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml
They can fuck that sky high.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
Only got one year left on his deal there, I think?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 06:17:49 PM
He isn’t going to be anything close to that. With all due respect to Brentford but Aston Villa have come calling and we have offered a very good price for player they only got last year for a lot less than that. If they get stupid about it the player will get fucked off so they will end up coming to an agreement. It’s the food chain and it has happened to us and will again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 08, 2019, 06:27:51 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?

Well we've either been been linked with or had people recommending Maupay, Benrahmi, Sawyers, Henry, Barbet, Watkins  and Konsa.  Sign them and they practically will have been promoted by stealth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 06:29:38 PM
I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?

Well we've either been been linked with or had people recommending Maupay, Benrahmi, Sawyers, Henry, Barbet, Watkins  and Konsa.  Sign them and they practically will have been promoted by stealth.
Who knew the secret to the Premier League was buried in Brentford?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 08, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
Also - are Pitarch etc doing any work?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 08, 2019, 06:49:33 PM
Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.

The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2019, 09:57:01 PM
Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.

The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
I have played Old Acts and can confirm the are not show ponies and a pretty tough bunch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 08, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.

The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
I have played Old Acts and can confirm the are not show ponies and a pretty tough bunch.

I didn't mean them. I meant old people who live in Acton. They're notoriously flash.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 08, 2019, 11:52:25 PM
Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml

Firstly, that was posted in March and secondly, if you actually read it, it's a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2019, 12:57:28 AM
Brentford’s model is built on developing players to sell them on for a tidy profit so could happen. At a market price though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2019, 07:56:28 AM
They're pretty good at it as well. We were talking about it at work the other day:

Mepham, Woods, Egan, Yennaris, Josefzoon, Jota, Colin, Hogan, Gray, Odubajo, Tarkowski in the last five years or so is the thick end of £75m, on top of what they are likely to get for Maupay and Benrahma (presumably from us)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 09, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2019, 08:43:02 AM
They're pretty good at it as well. We were talking about it at work the other day:

Mepham, Woods, Egan, Yennaris, Josefzoon, Jota, Colin, Hogan, Gray, Odubajo, Tarkowski in the last five years or so is the thick end of £75m, on top of what they are likely to get for Maupay and Benrahma (presumably from us)

Indeed, it looks like this approach has paid for a shiny new stadium all by itself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 09, 2019, 09:10:33 AM
Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Satisfactory, deal of the century, I think we might have to pay someone to take him off our hands.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 09, 2019, 09:56:46 AM
Also - are Pitarch etc doing any work?

I'm not sure what you mean?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 09, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
Perhaps I'm being a bit impatient but I'll feel better once new signings, especially Mings arrive. The squad looks awfully thin at the moment. I thought I could relax after all the drama and stress of the play-offs!
I'd like our owners to put a marker down with a marquee signing like Gomez. No point pissing around!

I think you are being impatient. As for making a marquee signing, I do think we need to bring in some quality at some point but doing it just to put down a marker is pointless. I'm sure they know who they want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 09, 2019, 10:23:41 AM
I wonder if the likes of O'Hare, Doyle-Hayes and Hepburn-Murphy will be in Smith's plans.  Possibly one more loan season for them but in the Championship? (Not with Wednesday or Forest though, someone with a coach).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 09, 2019, 10:25:20 AM
I wonder if the likes of O'Hare, Doyle-Hayes and Hepburn-Murphy will be in Smith's plans.  Possibly one more loan season for them but in the Championship? (Not with Wednesday or Forest though, someone with a coach).

Brentford?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 09, 2019, 10:59:56 AM
They play the right kind of football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 09, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.

Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately.  Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.

Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately.  Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
More realistically, if they want Scott in PX I'm sure he'd be able to recapture some form with Brentford. The Championship is his level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: johnny from donny on June 09, 2019, 12:52:36 PM
Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 01:07:13 PM
Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
On a free?  Why not.  Never heard of him mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 09, 2019, 01:14:28 PM
Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
On a free?  Why not.  Never heard of him mind.
https://ninetyminutesonline.com/report-aston-villa-eye-25-year-old-attracted-by-his-versatility/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2019, 02:02:15 PM
We have been linked with -

Neil Maupay of Brentford
Charlie Austin of Southampton
Harry Wilson of Liverpool
Kemar Roofe of Leeds
Maxi Gomez of Celta Vigo
James Justin of Luton.
Said Benrahma of Brentford

And that was just on the Birmingham Mail website!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 09, 2019, 02:06:26 PM
Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.

Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately.  Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
More realistically, if they want Scott in PX I'm sure he'd be able to recapture some form with Brentford. The Championship is his level.

I was thinking along those lines. Some of these reputedly better players who will have inflated values can achieve that value in a part exchange. It obviously means Hogan is valued around £10 million for that to happen. In reality he’s £3 - 5 million and their value of whoever is actually half whatever amount they’re after too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (1)

Sustainability needs to be at the core of any transfer activities which means that the same way that we had two plans (one for staying in the championship and one for going up to the premiership) we need to ensure that we do not gamble in this transfer window. Tony Xia and Keith Wyness gambled on Steve Bruce getting us up, and as a result, we could have gone into administration.

This could have meant us ending up in the 3rd tier or going out of business.

Whether we like it or not we are not yet in a position where we can purchase the finished articles, and as a result, we are going to have to buy players that we can improve which means that if the worst happens, they will have resale value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:16:04 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (2)

There different models of transfer behaviour in the premiership.

Man U, Man city, model which is to buy what you want when you want.

The Liverpool, Southampton model of by players but do not be afraid to sell your best players if someone comes in with stupid money. (Luis Suarez, Coutinho Luke Shaw, Alex oxalate Chamberlain Gareth Bale, Virgil van Dyke) and trust that your manager and scouting team can replace them.

The Crystal Palace, Burnley, Watford model of growing within your means because you have a small fan base and small stadium and as a result try to pick up one marquee player per season. Plus hold on to your best players even if they want to go.

The West ham model of buy overpriced players who look good on You tube.

The Tottenham model and try to secure the best young talent (even if they are from the championship) and sell them if they do not make the grade.

The Chelsea model (I know they have an embargo) which was to hoover up as many of the best young talent across the world with no intention of ever playing them in your first team. Buying ready-made players and selling on the young players after they have proven themselves on loan.

The Arsenal model, which in recent years seems to consist of buying players with potential at high prices and finding that they have no resale value. Combined with holding onto players until they reached the last year of their contract and then selling them for pennies or letting them walk away for free.

The model we should consider is Tottenham’s model for the next 2 seasons as this will mean our total income will be £300 million (including parachute payments) as this would be the most cautious approach and ensure that we do not run into FFP problems if we are relegated. Going forward, we need to look at the Liverpool model where they have not been afraid to tie up their best players on long contracts and sell them if someone comes in with huge bids. That money is then reinvested into the team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:18:51 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:21:45 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (4)

I am confused about why people are impatient regarding our transfer situation most of the football world is on holiday. I expect us to confirm all bar 2 of our loan players in the next 2 weeks (when the players start coming back from holiday) and then we should see some free agents come into the club as we need squad players this would then be followed by younger future stars as well as players we have never heard of with potential and right at the end of the transfer window I expect 1 or 2 marquee names so that everybody realises that the Villa are back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (5)

Why do people who do not enjoy transfer speculation feel it necessary to log onto forums and make comments criticising speculation? If you only want to know when we have confirmed signings, then you should probably stick to Aston Villa’s official Twitter feed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2019, 02:25:18 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.


Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 09, 2019, 02:26:38 PM
I see the Villatransfers guy is back on Twitter.....Good to see as he's usually on the money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (6)

Why do people post that we should make a cheek y bid for players? The only times this works is when you are bidding for something on eBay. It certainly should not be our approach to transfers.

It may be more appropriate to say something like “test their resolve by submitting a bid” or ‘ test the water’
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 02:30:01 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.

It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 09, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
I think they will invest prudently in a Lambert but better way in the  summer and, if we’re looking shaky in January, they will spend a lot of wedge if they think it can keep us up.

Stay up this year and they’ll spend more next year and maybe go for more proven players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 09, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
One factor that I'm sure Dean Smith is considering when he looks at targets is how they would effect our wage structure. Our strength last season was an united squad, the last thing he needs is disgruntled players complaining over money. It will be a fine balancing act but a job he's more than up to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 02:52:23 PM
LV, agree with much of what you said regarding transfer model. Important for me is that our footballing philosphy and set up works in line with our transfer model. I think our transfer model this summer, in many ways is going to be like the one we saw under Lambert and Sherwood combined. It'll be largely young and hungry and carefully scouted foreign players. Smith like many managers will undoubtedly seek players he already knows too (Jota for one).

IF manager, scouts and our board are all working under a clear plan (which for the first time in over decade I believe they are) then it should hopefully work.
In theory Lamberts first summer could have worked better. For a time we actually got some joy from some of his signings. There was potential. Lowton, Westwood and Benteke in particular. The problem was of course that Lamberk didn't have an idea of how he wanted the club to play, and among we'd changed too much too soon after McLeish's anti-football. From seeds of promise at the tail end of his first season, we regressed because supplementing the right kind of experience among those 'moneyball' players was where he failed. Where top pros like Whelan, Jedi, of that ilk may have benefitted, we were signing Richardson, Cole etc.

The signings Sherwood oversaw, again, in principal could have worked. It's no surprise Amavi, Gueye and Veretout seem to have developed. But then what experience did we supplement that with? Lescott, Richards. And did those players fit in with Sherwoods 'style' of play? Nope. Again the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. In Timmy's case, the right hand had its thumb up his arse.

We then tried blindly cherry picking the championships best for 'name your price', price tags after relegation. Lazy hiring a manager because he'd won the champions league. Then lazily replacing him with Bruce (who gaurantees absolutely nothing more than ship steadying and honest to goodness, getting by in the short term).

So yeah, in footballing terms, Smith is in. He'll try and inject youth in the side. He'll try to get us playing a consistent way, which will be progressive. It may work, it may not, but I would think that we've now got a board in place that will actually take what he's done and hire a manager who could develop and improve (should he go). We need to stop tearing it up and starting again. Every managerial change has brought with it a complete scrap of that 'plan.' Generally development in theory, is lazily replaced with a 'stop the rot, shit em up' dinosaur type. For Houllier we replace with McLeish. For Lambert we replace with the simplicity of Sherwood. RDM was never particularly looking like he had a long term plan, but that didn't work and we went back in time with Bruce.

So with how Smith wants to play, and how the club wants to progress over the next 5 years, we need to be consistent. Liverpool have done this. Man City have done this. Chelsea don't particularly do this, and despite winning things, they tend to be wildly inconsistent now. Man Utd are now essentially repeating much of what we were doing, which is why they're miles off being what they were.

I think Purslow et al have a plan, so I'm confident we'll get this window right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 02:56:30 PM
Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.
'At the end of the day' you're entitled to your opinion.
:D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2019, 03:39:15 PM
Good points London Villan but you were a bit grumpy about them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.

Footballing philosophy is horrific yes. Almost as bad as the 'football is a simple game' stuff from the other end. Or possibly 'football's all about opinions' is the worst.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on June 09, 2019, 04:15:18 PM
It's a funny old game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Football philosophy that passing backwards from a goal kick is a shit*

*TM TSM2
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 09, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.


Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.

If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smoke on June 09, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.

It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.


Also worth mentioning they struggle to hold on to Managers as well as players!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 06:22:10 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.

It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.


Also worth mentioning they struggle to hold on to Managers as well as players!
Well, you can't fight the big clubs. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.


Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.

If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up. 
I'm sure he has true grit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2019, 06:41:35 PM
As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital.  The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2019, 08:13:49 PM
We were probably losing to a team of bibs and cones by the end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 09, 2019, 08:36:34 PM
As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital.  The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.

We did also buy a fair amount of dross.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2019, 09:32:10 PM
'Young and hungry' failed because it wasn't actually a strategy for success, it was an excuse for anticipated failure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 09:40:00 PM
'Young and hungry' failed because it wasn't actually a strategy for success, it was an excuse for anticipated failure.
In practice it meant 'cheap', which is what it almost always means.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2019, 10:24:13 PM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 09, 2019, 11:52:18 PM
Its was graphite tipped cooling rods in a world of boron. The consequences, inevitable.

There's no substitution for quality and that seldom comes cheap. The expense isn't always in acquisition cost, but the thinking and choosing is equally as important when it comes to signing a player. We lacked the intelligence in this department, so we got Bowery and Bennett and Tonev.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2019, 12:20:11 AM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2019, 12:53:10 AM
As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital.  The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.

We ended Lambert's first season pretty well and I still think had we bought well that summer, things might have been different. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 10, 2019, 09:06:19 AM
As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital.  The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.

We ended Lambert's first season pretty well and I still think had we bought well that summer, things might have been different. 

With respect, I think Lambert's managerial career since leaving us suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 09:53:50 AM
Few links to Coventry’s Tom Bayliss this morning
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 10, 2019, 10:28:51 AM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.

Not a word of a lie in this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 10, 2019, 11:55:18 AM
Half of the strategy from four years ago doesn't look too bad in hindsight.  Guye has done well for Everton and was recently the subject of a 25m bid from PSG, Veretout is supposedly the subject of interest from Napoli and Arsenal for up to 20m, Amavi has been doing well for Marseille, and Ayew has managed to remain at PL level without tearing up any trees. Might have worked if the other half of the equation had not been fuckwit tactics Tim Sherwood and his penchant for elderly/permacrocked centre halves with a shit attitude.  And Rudy Gestede.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2019, 11:59:57 AM
The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Half of the strategy from four years ago doesn't look too bad in hindsight.  Guye has done well for Everton and was recently the subject of a 25m bid from PSG, Veretout is supposedly the subject of interest from Napoli and Arsenal for up to 20m, Amavi has been doing well for Marseille, and Ayew has managed to remain at PL level without tearing up any trees. Might have worked if the other half of the equation had not been fuckwit tactics Tim Sherwood and his penchant for elderly/permacrocked centre halves with a shit attitude.  And Rudy Gestede.   

Agreed, wouldn’t mind all of those players back now as they are exactly what we need
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 12:23:43 PM
If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 10, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
They may well be better than they showed us, but I wouldn't want to see any of that 'team' in Claret & Blue ever again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.

Sherwoods reputation will forever be dictated by his time with us. After galvanising us in the wake of Lambert (Who couldn’t have after that miserable git) he was shown up for what he was at the end of the season, the Cup Final and the start of the following season, a quick fix merchant without an element of nous in either the transfer market, squad, team and in match management and an ability to talk up his abilities far behind what they actually were. Let’s not forget what an idiot he was by taking credit for the shit UK buys he bought in whilst distancing himself from the Veretout, Amavi, Gueye signings. The man was a clown who accelerated our decline ably abetted by Fox and his acolytes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on June 10, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.

Sherwoods reputation will forever be dictated by his time with us. After galvanising us in the wake of Lambert (Who couldn’t have after that miserable git) he was shown up for what he was at the end of the season, the Cup Final and the start of the following season, a quick fix merchant without an element of nous in either the transfer market, squad, team and in match management and an ability to talk up his abilities far behind what they actually were. Let’s not forget what an idiot he was by taking credit for the shit UK buys he bought in whilst distancing himself from the Veretout, Amavi, Gueye signings. The man was a clown who accelerated our decline ably abetted by Fox and his acolytes.

The classic "Run about a bit" moment at Leicester summed his tenure up for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 12:53:35 PM
Hause deal done apparently announcement soon
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
It seems we have bid for Benrahma https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11739007/aston-villas-said-benrahma-move-knocked-back-by-brentford
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on June 10, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)

People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.


Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.

If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up. 

Will he be able to mussel his way into the team?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 10, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
Offer knocked back apparently (sky) they will not sell this summer.

Shellfish buggers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
Player will want the move. He’ll be a Villa player within the next week or so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 01:29:14 PM
Offer knocked back apparently (sky) they will not sell this summer.

Shellfish buggers.

Crab news
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2019, 01:30:55 PM

Aston Villa have seen a move for Said Benrahma knocked back by Brentford, Sky Sports News understands.
The Bees do not want to sell the Algeria winger this summer and are understood to have made it clear it would take a huge offer for them to even consider his sale.


i.e. up your offer and he's yours!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 10, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
he will be desperate to join us, if they don't let him they will have a very unhappy player, he will move whether to us or another premier league team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 01:39:19 PM

Aston Villa have seen a move for Said Benrahma knocked back by Brentford, Sky Sports News understands.
The Bees do not want to sell the Algeria winger this summer and are understood to have made it clear it would take a huge offer for them to even consider his sale.


i.e. up your offer and he's yours!

Agreed, he’s just a prawn in this
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
he will be desperate to join us, if they don't let him they will have a very unhappy player, he will move whether to us or another premier league team.

Let's not sound like Spurs with Jack. I know they're different situations but tbh of there's one thing I've learned from our stint in hell it's how irritating it is when some arrogant PL fan tries to big time you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2019, 02:06:11 PM
Hake news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 10, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
‘The pearl of Algerian football’

I think the guy’s a diamond; we should jet down there and make it crystal clear to their board that we are not zircon around. They should grow a spinel, tell Ruby and Beryl the tea-ladies to pack his bags, ask Jasper the boot boy to get his kit and get him onyx way up here …
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on June 10, 2019, 02:23:34 PM
For cods sake let’s move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
I am sure they will not leave him perched on the shelf. Probably angling for another million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on June 10, 2019, 02:45:05 PM
What’s the odds eel sign, or will another team mussel in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 10, 2019, 02:48:08 PM
this thread is starting to smell
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 03:00:39 PM
What’s the odds eel sign, or will another team mussel in.

We may roe back ourselves or it could bass us by
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 03:11:09 PM
Pablo Fornals...

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 03:14:31 PM
Pablo Fornals...

please elaborate
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 03:17:14 PM
Pablo Fornals...

please elaborate

Just a rumour that has started doing the rounds provided by someone who has been known to get things right. Like anything it's just that...a rumour. That we are linked with Spanish or Spanish league players shouldn't be a shock given Pitarch's history and Juanfran on the staff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.

Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 03:20:04 PM
If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.

Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?

Possibly. We blamed the bloke who found the gems and kept the numpties who fired him who saw us disappear down the drain to near oblivion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
Pablo Fornals...

please elaborate

Just a rumour that has started doing the rounds provided by someone who has been known to get things right. Like anything it's just that...a rumour. That we are linked with Spanish or Spanish league players shouldn't be a shock given Pitarch's history and Juanfran on the staff.

Sign him up

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 03:27:37 PM
If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.

Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?

Possibly. We blamed the bloke who found the gems and kept the numpties who fired him who saw us disappear down the drain to near oblivion.

That does sound us (until this season).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
Well that would be a statement of intent if true
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
I am sure they will not leave him perched on the shelf. Probably angling for another million.

Hopefully we'll pay it. I though he haddock really good season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 10, 2019, 04:27:10 PM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.


The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2019, 04:34:37 PM
Yes, out of the fifty or so million players he signed, about three turned a profit. We made massive losses overall. And is getting Aston Villa into Europe and losing a cup final really that big an achievement? We were spending more money than any club in the country for large periods of his tenure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2019, 04:36:14 PM
Pablo Fornals...

please elaborate

thought Arse was after him or even spurzzzz
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 10, 2019, 05:10:30 PM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.


The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.
Yes I agree, and I think most people at the time were fairly happy with MON until the Moscow debacle.

Hindsight is a great viewpoint to have , and I get the lessons learnt, but I would take the football he played in the PL, as it wasn't rubbish and getting to a cup final and into Europe again would be a big thing if we could emulate that on the playing side.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2019, 05:30:56 PM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.


The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.

The problem was with the numerous other players he bought who were useless (Heskey), never used (Beye) or both (Shorey) and who we just allowed to run down their contracts and walk away for nothing.

You're right, we did ok those years but the cost was insane.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
Getting Aston Villa into the top six wasn't an achievement. O'Leary, Gregory, Little, Atkinson, Taylor and Barton all did it after Saunders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 10, 2019, 06:18:28 PM
Getting Aston Villa into the top six wasn't an achievement. O'Leary, Gregory, Little, Atkinson, Taylor and Barton all did it after Saunders.

Surely it was an achievement given the money that was coming in and the resurgence of certain teams in that era ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 10, 2019, 06:20:19 PM
The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.

I think pretty much everyone except Tom Fox knew he was a bit of a twat at the time, this kind of thing is just further evidence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 10, 2019, 06:28:30 PM
It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.

Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.


The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.

The problem was with the numerous other players he bought who were useless (Heskey), never used (Beye) or both (Shorey) and who we just allowed to run down their contracts and walk away for nothing.

You're right, we did ok those years but the cost was insane.

The cost was ultimately relegation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 10, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
It is bonkers when you consider the wages we were throwing around back then that the only two strikers he spent money on, and we were rigidly playing 442 as well, were Heskey and Harewood.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2019, 06:57:05 PM
MON wasn't responsible for the relegation but you can't write him out of the story. He is responsible, however, for missing our biggest chance at doing something big for ages, as we were spending the most money in the league on overpriced, uninspiring signings with zero resale value (for the most part) to play football at least a decade out of date, right down to the lack of squad rotation. That's entirely on him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2019, 07:05:31 PM
Getting Aston Villa into the top six wasn't an achievement. O'Leary, Gregory, Little, Atkinson, Taylor and Barton all did it after Saunders.

Surely it was an achievement given the money that was coming in and the resurgence of certain teams in that era ?

If you're referring to man city and spurs, in both 07/08 and 08/09 they both finished nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
Twitter rumours of a medical on Wednesday
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 07:19:22 PM
Twitter rumours of a medical on Wednesday

For who?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Alan Nixon of the S*n (I know) has suggested on Twitter that we're interested in Gomez. If it's true (I know) then it bodes well even if the player is destined for a club higher up the food chain, given that we clearly will spend money for the right signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2019, 07:25:51 PM
Twitter rumours of a medical on Wednesday

For who?

He hasn't said, but there are pictures of Houses up, suggesting Hause is now done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 07:29:44 PM
Twitter rumours of a medical on Wednesday

For who?

He hasn't said, but there are pictures of Houses up, suggesting Hause is now done.

Ah, ok. Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2019, 07:33:54 PM
MON wasn't responsible for the relegation but you can't write him out of the story. He is responsible, however, for missing our biggest chance at doing something big for ages, as we were spending the most money in the league on overpriced, uninspiring signings with zero resale value (for the most part) to play football at least a decade out of date, right down to the lack of squad rotation. That's entirely on him.

Add to that he thought it a personal insult that he should sell the players (most on high wages) that he wasn't using and had no intention of using.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Confusious says on June 10, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
Mon also walked out on us a week before season started, very helpful that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 08:02:19 PM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

That's about right I think. The world had started to move on and he's barely Championship standard now. See the relief in Ireland at Mick McCarthy's samba football having returned!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2019, 08:24:56 PM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

He signed some good players, a lot of rubbish and made up for his tactical limits with genuinely remarkable team motivation. It was nowhere near enough though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 10, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
His name has not been mentioned  for a while and he's not a player I know very well but what opinions are out there regarding Sawyers of Brentford?
As regards MON....FOMON!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nastylee on June 10, 2019, 08:56:20 PM
Championship player imo
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2019, 09:36:48 PM
Twitter rumours of a medical on Wednesday

For who?

He hasn't said, but there are pictures of Houses up, suggesting Hause is now done.

Is that from Dr Tony?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Moose on June 10, 2019, 09:42:31 PM
😎🐅🧨%£@¥ = q.....👍
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 10, 2019, 10:04:20 PM
It is bonkers when you consider the wages we were throwing around back then that the only two strikers he spent money on, and we were rigidly playing 442 as well, were Heskey and Harewood.
Exactly, this is something I’ve also always thought - the guy can’t sign strikers. Carew was a swap, and these two were the only others. At Leicester the only strikers of note he bought were Claridge (29), Cottee (32), Collymore (29), whilst he inherited Heskey. At Celtic he bought Sutton (27), Hartson (26), whilst inheriting Larsson. At Sunderland he bought Wickham (18), Fletcher (25), Graham (27) and Saha (34), whilst he inherited Gyan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Gregg Evans suggesting we are now after Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 10, 2019, 10:48:10 PM
Gregg Evans suggesting we are now after Butland.

That'll teach Stoke for thinking they could get Chester on the cheap this time last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 10, 2019, 11:09:53 PM
Butland... No thanks. Not at the money being reported anyway.

Why we seem so intent on replacing Steer with Kalinic also in reserve is strange to me. We have other priorities surely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2019, 11:15:10 PM
Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 10, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
Butland... No thanks. Not at the money being reported anyway.

Why we seem so intent on replacing Steer with Kalinic also in reserve is strange to me. We have other priorities surely.

Simple answer to this is neither are good enough. As much as I love him, Jed Steer isn’t a premier league goalkeeper. Listen - he had a fantastic run in the side and we owe the guy an awful lot, but he isn’t premier league quality. Penalty saves aside, take the Albion game as an example , gave the balls away needlessly twice and he’ll be punished 8n the premier league for those kind of mistakes. I’m trying very hard not to be too harsh because I genuinely do think a lot of the bloke but we need a proper goalkeeper. Kalinic, in his short time in the team, looked nervous and tentative as fuck and we can’t afford for someone to learn the ropes in the premier league. Butland is a proven England international goalkeeper, if the price is £17-£20m bloody pay it because a proper goalkeeper saves you very crucial points and we need to stay in this division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 10, 2019, 11:43:23 PM
Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.

We’re playing with the big boys now mate. £20m on a goalkeeper in Butlands class is a snip. He’s arguably a better goalkeeper than Pickford who cost £10m more
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2019, 11:48:49 PM
I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2019, 11:51:21 PM
I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.

Yep.  A £60m fee being quoted as what Palace want from Man U for their young right back after one good season!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2019, 11:52:03 PM
Butland... No thanks. Not at the money being reported anyway.

Why we seem so intent on replacing Steer with Kalinic also in reserve is strange to me. We have other priorities surely.

Simple answer to this is neither are good enough. As much as I love him, Jed Steer isn’t a premier league goalkeeper. Listen - he had a fantastic run in the side and we owe the guy an awful lot, but he isn’t premier league quality. Penalty saves aside, take the Albion game as an example , gave the balls away needlessly twice and he’ll be punished 8n the premier league for those kind of mistakes. I’m trying very hard not to be too harsh because I genuinely do think a lot of the bloke but we need a proper goalkeeper. Kalinic, in his short time in the team, looked nervous and tentative as fuck and we can’t afford for someone to learn the ropes in the premier league. Butland is a proven England international goalkeeper, if the price is £17-£20m bloody pay it because a proper goalkeeper saves you very crucial points and we need to stay in this division.

Agree ref Steer & Kalinic.  Steer made great saves but was also guilty of a few brain farts coming out for the wrong balls & under the set piece was rooted to line.

Is Butland bigger and more dominant in the area? I can’t remember in all honesty....what is Fraser Forster up to nowadays? Always struck me as a v decent keeper :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 10, 2019, 11:56:22 PM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

Not when you consider the money he spent/wasted.  That amount should and probably would have guaranteed top 4 in the hands of a genuinely good manager.  Him blowing the family silver is what started us on the slippery slope to austerity and then relegation.  I despise the man.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2019, 11:56:40 PM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2019, 12:04:16 AM
I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.

Yep.  A £60m fee being quoted as what Palace want from Man U for their young right back after one good season!

Utterly ludicrous.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 11, 2019, 12:05:47 AM
Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.

We’re playing with the big boys now mate. £20m on a goalkeeper in Butlands class is a snip. He’s arguably a better goalkeeper than Pickford who cost £10m more

I really don't think he is. Butland's kicking and distribution at times is Guzan level and I'm not convinced by him on crosses either. Don't think he's great in organising back 4 either as Stoke have conceded a moutain of goals last two seasons.

Etheridge at around 10m would be much better deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2019, 01:41:48 AM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

He signed some good players, a lot of rubbish and made up for his tactical limits with genuinely remarkable team motivation. It was nowhere near enough though.

Seen some of this guys's podcasts before, but found this one interesting.  Particularly the bit about some of O'Neill's methods:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVzI9P_7Rk&t=2103s
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 11, 2019, 03:02:06 AM
If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

Not when you consider the money he spent/wasted.  That amount should and probably would have guaranteed top 4 in the hands of a genuinely good manager.  Him blowing the family silver is what started us on the slippery slope to austerity and then relegation.  I despise the man.

And then topped it off by leaving pre season. A genuinely nasty piece of work and the beginning of our path to relegation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2019, 06:01:09 AM
Would blues get a percentage of any fee for Butland?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 11, 2019, 06:02:06 AM
In 2006 Lerner and O'Neill seemed like the dream team, and it was great for a few years. But that walkout and Lerner's crap decision making ang lack of investment from 2010 set this club back years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Karlos96 on June 11, 2019, 06:42:55 AM
Would blues get a percentage of any fee for Butland?

I think they’ve got a 20% sell on clause.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 07:14:59 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 11, 2019, 07:34:15 AM
Seeing all the rumours and prices banded around for different players, it appears we are shopping at the value end of the market. Crikey it’s crazy, but expected I suppose with all the TV money etc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 11, 2019, 07:57:01 AM
This is what I hate about the premier league, stupid transfer fees and the wages that are paid to a lot of very average footballers, it is madness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 08:32:04 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2019, 08:46:38 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 08:52:17 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

Agreed, I'd have Heaton or Pope in a heartbeat over Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 08:54:41 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

Etheridge is almost 4 years older than Jack, Burnley don't want to sell Pope and Heaton is much older. Id rather spend an extra £8m on Jack than £10m on Etheridge who wont have re-sale value
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 11, 2019, 09:14:59 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

The point being the person who should be making that call for Dean is Neil Cutler....if he believes Butland or Etheridge or Uncle Tom Cobleigh are better than what we have then Dean / Sisu / Purslow look at whether the deals are doable within budget. 

That spine of the team is going to be fundamental to our chances this season so it’s right to go all in on the one that the coaching staff want.

Same will apply for centre halves & centre forward

Wingers are decoration hence easier to sign & probably why we have already managed to secure two :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
Paying 20 mill for a 26 year old, who will be with us for potentially 10 years is surely a good investment? Prices are ludicrous anyway. 10 mill for a 29 years old or 20 for a 26 year old?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 11, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

Agreed, I'd have Heaton or Pope in a heartbeat over Butland.

Are they available? I'd read that they wanted to keep Pope, and Heaton is their club captain which suggests they'd rather keep hold of him as well.

Heaton is also 33, so we'd be paying big wages for an aging player again. Maybe we could really go retro and offer him a 5 year contract like we gave Shay Given at a similar age.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on June 11, 2019, 10:35:50 AM
I was actually excited about the prospect of us signing Heaton when we were linked with him in January, and felt disappointed that apparently it was all a ruse whilst we signed Kalinic. Doesn't look like DS has been to impressed with Kalinic if the rumours are correct that we are after yet another keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 10:49:20 AM
I was actually excited about the prospect of us signing Heaton when we were linked with him in January, and felt disappointed that apparently it was all a ruse whilst we signed Kalinic. Doesn't look like DS has been to impressed with Kalinic if the rumours are correct that we are after yet another keeper.

Smith didn't sign Kalinic. It was agreed months earlier under Bruce and activated 1/1/19 automatically
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 10:55:37 AM
I was actually excited about the prospect of us signing Heaton when we were linked with him in January, and felt disappointed that apparently it was all a ruse whilst we signed Kalinic. Doesn't look like DS has been to impressed with Kalinic if the rumours are correct that we are after yet another keeper.

Smith didn't sign Kalinic. It was agreed months earlier under Bruce and activated 1/1/19 automatically

I knew we'd been looking at him previously but this is the first I've heard of such an arrangement. Source?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 11, 2019, 11:29:14 AM
Unless BOTH Kalinic and Nyland have let Smith know that they want to get away I do not understand why we would jeopardise team cohesion by trying to sign an expensive 'keeper ... even if he's worth it. If they have then the current speculation and links to Etheridge and Butland are understandable.

If we end up with Steer and Butland or Etheridge in combination that's fine by me PROVIDED we recoup much of the incoming transfer fee by selling the other 2. Otherwise we're taking too much out of the transfer kitty on one position. We might sell those 2 for £8m to £9m in total which means Butland is too expensive at £30m IMO even if you're convinced of his quality (which I'm not).

Etheridge at ~ £10m suits me if we have to make any change at all, that is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 11, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
Plus Small Heath get 20% of any sell on with Butland (apparently).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 11, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
This is what I hate about the premier league, stupid transfer fees and the wages that are paid to a lot of very average footballers, it is madness.

It's also why I've been a bit dismayed by the apparent domestic focus of our transfer targets so far. Surely this is not where the value is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2019, 11:43:26 AM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Thing is how does any of us know exactly how much money the club is willing to spend? Dean Smith and the board will have a squad size in mind. They know who still needs be sold. They will have evaluated depth in every position and along with the board identified what it might take to fill those gaps. That number could be anything at all. What appears to be clear is they won’t be going with Kalinic and realize that a long term solution at GK is critical to what will be a tough season ahead. I have no doubt that securing Mings, 2 more CB and LB amongst other needs will have been discussed and planned for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 11, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
Unless BOTH Kalinic and Nyland have let Smith know that they want to get away I do not understand why we would jeopardise team cohesion by trying to sign an expensive 'keeper ... even if he's worth it. If they have then the current speculation and links to Etheridge and Butland are understandable.

Because Nyland is shit (and injured), Kalinic is debatable and anyone who goes into the Premier League with only one reliable keeper is mad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2019, 11:53:12 AM
It’s also a business and I for one am delighted we appear to have people in charge who are looking at it that way. Thank you Jed for all you did. Time to bring in better players. And that goes for a few others too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 11, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
Because Nyland is shit (and injured), Kalinic is debatable and anyone who goes into the Premier League with only one reliable keeper is mad.

But by the start of the season Nyland will be fit and available for selection again and Kalinic might have got over his rushed start with the club and be a solid performer. They may well over the summer have regained the confidence that makes them both international selections. Both get the bit between their teeth to prove to the management that they deserve the vest over the incumbent and hit pre-season running giving Smith a selection headache.

The situation may not be so black-and-white as you may think, my friend :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
I'm honestly not even convinced he's very good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
Me either.  Some say there were mitigating circumstances but he just didn't look any good to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
Kalinic seems to lack the ability to jump. I guess he's never really had to at 6 ft 7, but it's a real bonus for a goalie if they can.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 11, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
This is what I hate about the premier league, stupid transfer fees and the wages that are paid to a lot of very average footballers, it is madness.

It's also why I've been a bit dismayed by the apparent domestic focus of our transfer targets so far. Surely this is not where the value is.

How can you possibly be dismayed, are you actually serious? We’ve signed a back up squad player to replace  Adomah and have signed the guy who came through the Ajax youth system who was absolutely brilliant for us. How do you possibly know what targets we have other than the tripe you’re reading on transfer speculation websites.  Notwithstanding, we are only two weeks into being able to sign anybody. People need to chill the fuck out and trust the proper structure we have in place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 11, 2019, 12:32:16 PM
It’s also a business and I for one am delighted we appear to have people in charge who are looking at it that way. Thank you Jed for all you did. Time to bring in better players. And that goes for a few others too.

Absolutely this. Sentiment will get us relegated, time to invest in people that will keep us in the premier league
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on June 11, 2019, 12:34:21 PM
Butland is an extremely good goalkeeper, if the price is £18m for a guy that could potentially save us 8-10 points it’s an absolute no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 11, 2019, 12:36:01 PM
Because Nyland is shit (and injured), Kalinic is debatable and anyone who goes into the Premier League with only one reliable keeper is mad.

But by the start of the season Nyland will be fit and available for selection again and Kalinic might have got over his rushed start with the club and be a solid performer. They may well over the summer have regained the confidence that makes them both international selections. Both get the bit between their teeth to prove to the management that they deserve the vest over the incumbent and hit pre-season running giving Smith a selection headache.

The situation may not be so black-and-white as you may think, my friend :)

And Neil Taylor might gain in confidence from the promotion to become a top-class full-back in the style of Roberto Carlos. Aaron Tshibola might suddenly press on and become Xavi after his loan spell to prove that he belongs. Scott Hogan might regain his scoring touch and bag 30 in the Premier.

Unlikely though. So the management will be basing their recruitment on what they see every day in training and matches. Which clearly isn't that Kalinic or Nyland are part of the future, which is why they are looking to bring someone in.

Smith, Pitarch and Cutler's reasoned views based on working with them on a daily basis or your 'might haves' and 'possibiles' based on nothing. I think I'll go with Deano's opinion if you don't mind, my friend :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on June 11, 2019, 12:44:11 PM
Kalinic seems to lack the ability to jump. I guess he's never really had to at 6 ft 7, but it's a real bonus for a goalie if they can.

You'd think it would be in the job description for a keeper. Also, something at the top of our scouting network's list of things he must be able to do or to look for before he signed?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 11, 2019, 12:53:13 PM
Kalinic seems to lack the ability to jump. I guess he's never really had to at 6 ft 7, but it's a real bonus for a goalie if they can.

Some people want the moon on a stick. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chipsticks on June 11, 2019, 12:54:34 PM
This is what I hate about the premier league, stupid transfer fees and the wages that are paid to a lot of very average footballers, it is madness.

It's also why I've been a bit dismayed by the apparent domestic focus of our transfer targets so far. Surely this is not where the value is.

As far as I can tell (and based largely on Purslow's comments), I'm pretty sure our transfer strategy has been formed with one eye on the possibility that we go straight back down.

The likes of Butland, Jota, Mings, Lolley, Benrahma etc will all have (relatively) low wage demands and offer strong sell-on value if needed. If we go down, they don't seem the type to be above sticking around and playing in the championship, or alternatively we can sell them on for decent money as they'll be a year more matured and have Premier League experience to the name.

Seems like it ties in with us being a more responsible club in our transfer dealings, rather than going up and putting some Premier League stalwarts on 70k+.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 11, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

Nobody signed Grealish either.

Butland was priced out of a move because he was England number 1, had 3 years on his deal and Pickford was available for less.

Stoke wanted more money because they paid £5m for him and reportedly SHA have a share of any profit, whereas Pickford was an academy kid .

Pickford got the shirt just before the World Cup, but most expected Butland to be number 1 at the World Cup. A season in the Championship a year deeper into his deal and now he's available for a bit less.

I'm not saying he's value, but Butland is easily a top 10 Premier League level goalkeeper IMO. Butland at £20m is better value than Etheridge at £10m, IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
How about they are players the manager had identified and wants? This is someone who just a couple of weeks we all celebrated. It’s June 11th. Shouldn’t we trust the process?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
YOU CANT HANDLE THE PROCESS!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 11, 2019, 01:35:00 PM
This is what I hate about the premier league, stupid transfer fees and the wages that are paid to a lot of very average footballers, it is madness.

It's also why I've been a bit dismayed by the apparent domestic focus of our transfer targets so far. Surely this is not where the value is.

As far as I can tell (and based largely on Purslow's comments), I'm pretty sure our transfer strategy has been formed with one eye on the possibility that we go straight back down.


If we allow that to be the key factor then we will go straight down. It has to be taken into account and we can never go back to the days of signing the likes of Cole through to Richards, but there's a middle ground and we should be looking upwards with a sustainable plan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
Let's just see how things pan out shall we? The lack of patience is unbelievable sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 11, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
Let's just see how things pan out shall we? The lack of patience is unbelievable sometimes.

I thought the 'speculation' in the title was an encouragement to speculate. It doesn't mean I expect anything to happen for a while. The key players are on the beach or playing mind games at this stage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 01:50:30 PM
Let's just see how things pan out shall we? The lack of patience is unbelievable sometimes.

I thought the 'speculation' in the title was an encouragement to speculate. It doesn't mean I expect anything to happen for a while. The key players are on the beach or playing mind games at this stage.

Pure speculation
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 11, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
Calm down, an Aston Villa properly run with rich owners and a good young manager is not a yo yo club. I would be hoping we'd finish above the 3 on the south coast, the 2 other promoted teams, a sure to fall at some point Burnley and a badly run Newcastle. Even 3 out of all that lot would do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2019, 02:16:48 PM
Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

This is the point here.

Im very sure Purslow, Suso and Deano are aware what needs to be done. If they see that spending circa £18m on Butland is part of the plan then i'm dam sure its not having a detrimental impact on the rest of our budget for their plans.
Butland could be our number one for the next 6 years easily so £18m-£23m isnt that crazy
It is if you can buy Etheridge, Pope or Heaton for less: equally as good, if not better.
Butland would have gone for bigger money previously if people really rated him. I'm no expert on keepers, but others have sidestepped him.
Ditto, Joe Hart.

Nobody signed Grealish either.

Butland was priced out of a move because he was England number 1, had 3 years on his deal and Pickford was available for less.

Stoke wanted more money because they paid £5m for him and reportedly SHA have a share of any profit, whereas Pickford was an academy kid .

Pickford got the shirt just before the World Cup, but most expected Butland to be number 1 at the World Cup. A season in the Championship a year deeper into his deal and now he's available for a bit less.

I'm not saying he's value, but Butland is easily a top 10 Premier League level goalkeeper IMO. Butland at £20m is better value than Etheridge at £10m, IMO.
Well argued, and better researched than me!  :D :D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Keeper is a really tough one for me.
I think Kalinic is a better keeper than we've seen so far but his confidence took a battering in the cup game and he never truly recovered. I'd keep him and try to bring him through over the next 6 months and review it in Jnuary.
Steer is, in my opinion, a reliable 2nd keeper, I'd trust him to do the job for a short run of games but I'm not sure long term because his distribution isn't great.
Nyland is the exact opposite in that he has the best distribution of the lot but just makes too many mistakes, I'd move him on if he's fit and we can get any interest.

Butland is ok but I've never been entirely convinced by him, certainly not enough to want us to pay £25m
Etheridge looks decent but I'm not convinced he's all that much better than Steer or Kalinic so £10m seems like a lot of money for a marginal improvement.
If Pope was available i'd definitely look at him, I think he's a better keeper than Butland or Pickford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 11, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about...one of the most important positions in a Premier League team is having a good keeper (can easily be worth 8-10pts). Neither of our keepers are at the standard required and I wouldn’t be confident going into the season without strengthening in this area. I won’t pretend to know much about Butland but if we do sign another keeper then I would expect either Kalinic or Nyland (or both) will be moved on in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 03:33:40 PM
Etheridge looks decent but I'm not convinced he's all that much better than Steer or Kalinic so £10m seems like a lot of money for a marginal improvement.
If Pope was available i'd definitely look at him, I think he's a better keeper than Butland or Pickford.
On the available evidence Etheridge is a far superior keeper to Kalinic.  Kalinic was woeful.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
Off the top of my head, didn't Kalinic only play in that period were by everybody was pretty horrific?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
Off the top of my head, didn't Kalinic only play in that period were by everybody was pretty horrific?
And yet he still stood out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
In fairness his performances in the World Cup would suggest he is better than what we've seen. He was thrown into the first team immediately upon his arrival due to emergency circumstances. I wouldn't want to write him off, and my opinion is we have more pressing priorities to address elsewhere.

But whatever. In Dean we trust.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 03:51:53 PM
Off the top of my head, didn't Kalinic only play in that period were by everybody was pretty horrific?
And yet he still stood out.
As did Hourihane.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 11, 2019, 03:54:28 PM
Reading the Stoke forum they obviously rate him although his form did dip after he got injured. They seem resigned to losing him to Bournemouth but the Cherries won’t pay £23m and now we have come into the mix, so either they will pay up or he is ours. Interesting that his family is IoW so that might play into his thinking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 03:54:29 PM
Off the top of my head, didn't Kalinic only play in that period were by everybody was pretty horrific?
And yet he still stood out.
As did Hourihane.
Meaning Kalinic is a good keeper?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
Off the top of my head, didn't Kalinic only play in that period were by everybody was pretty horrific?
And yet he still stood out.
As did Hourihane.
Meaning Kalinic is a good keeper?
Meaning the whole squad was a basket case in that period, Hourihane looked crap, Hause looked crap, Kalinic looked crap, El-Ghazi looked crap, McGinn looked innefective.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 11, 2019, 04:04:18 PM
Butland used to have his digs in Kings Norton when he was Blues, so he knows the area.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 04:16:06 PM
Think Butland still lives in Lichfield
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 04:18:24 PM
Meaning the whole squad was a basket case in that period, Hourihane looked crap, Hause looked crap, Kalinic looked crap, El-Ghazi looked crap, McGinn looked innefective.
Do you think Kalinic is a good keeper?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2019, 04:23:29 PM
Meaning the whole squad was a basket case in that period, Hourihane looked crap, Hause looked crap, Kalinic looked crap, El-Ghazi looked crap, McGinn looked innefective.
Do you think Kalinic is a good keeper?

Wicket Keeper perhaps.  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 04:24:01 PM
Fuck knows tbh, I've only seen him play 6 games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
Fuck knows tbh, I've only seen him play 6 games.
Were you impressed?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 11, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
Fuck knows tbh, I've only seen him play 6 games.
Were you impressed?
Can't see how anyone could make a balanced judgement based on the shambles of a team that he was playing behind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
I guess that being as how we're being linked with a new keeper it seems it was enough for Dean.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 04:35:55 PM
Of course not, but then that goes back to my initial point of that he only played during that period were I wasn't impressed with anybody.

Take Hause for example, they both came in the club at pretty much the same time, both looked very poor. Hause however did not get injured and was able to play in a settled side and we saw he had value, Kalinic got injured and has not played in a settled side so theres still a question mark over him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 11, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
The coaching team see what Kalinic, Nyland and Steer are capable of every day in training. If they feel we need to sign a new No.1 then it's fair to say that neither of them are good enough or don't fit in with the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Neither Kalinic or Nyland were brought in by Dean Smith either.  He wants his own man between the sticks and I expect the owners and Christina Purslow to back him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 05:11:42 PM
Neither Kalinic or Nyland were brought in by Dean Smith either.  He wants his own man between the sticks and I expect the owners and Christina Purslow to back him.

She's fit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2019, 05:20:20 PM
Let's just see how things pan out shall we? The lack of patience is unbelievable sometimes.

I thought the 'speculation' in the title was an encouragement to speculate. It doesn't mean I expect anything to happen for a while. The key players are on the beach or playing mind games at this stage.

The speculation is fine. It's just when you read things like 'I'm dismayed' a fortnight after getting promoted. I'm surprised we've bought in two as soon as we have to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 11, 2019, 05:46:39 PM
I'd like to see us bid for Tomori. A good quick mobile defender who fits the bill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
I'd like to see us bid for Tomori. A good quick mobile defender who fits the bill.

Not strong enough for my liking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2019, 06:20:03 PM
If people are basing their assessment of Kalinic’s ability on his time at Villa it seems very premature. I don’t know if he’s good or not, but I definitely think he needs more time before a judgement is made.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 06:24:39 PM
If people are basing their assessment of Kalinic’s ability on his time at Villa it seems very premature. I don’t know if he’s good or not, but I definitely think he needs more time before a judgement is made.
I doubt he'll get it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2019, 06:27:01 PM
I'd like to see us bid for Tomori. A good quick mobile defender who fits the bill.

Not strong enough for my liking.

No doubt a talent, but I agree. Some potential there though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2019, 06:49:14 PM
Neither Kalinic or Nyland were brought in by Dean Smith either.  He wants his own man between the sticks and I expect the owners and Christina Purslow to back him.

She's fit.

She's like Marina Granovskaia.  Only posher.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2019, 07:07:29 PM
I'd like to see us bid for Tomori. A good quick mobile defender who fits the bill.

Not strong enough for my liking.

I agree, looks at least 12 months away from being ready for the premier league to me so I don't think we'll be interested.

The coaching team see what Kalinic, Nyland and Steer are capable of every day in training. If they feel we need to sign a new No.1 then it's fair to say that neither of them are good enough or don't fit in with the squad.

The If is very important here. If a keeper comes in and we then start pushing 1-2 of ours away then it will suggest that Smith isn't happy with them but until it happens it's all just paper talk.

We end up signing a tiny percentage of the players that get linked and, if the club is running how I'd like, we'll have a list of starter/backup/youth options that we've scouted for every position and just picking names from those lists (because a scout was seen at a game for example) doesn't mean they're going to sign, it just means we're keeping tabs on them if we need a signing.

I believe a huge amount of the press rumours come from this sort of scenario where the press hear of a player that's been looked at and they just make a story from it. At some clubs it's probably done on purpose to see how the fans react and then they push on if they think the signing will be a boost, I'd put money on Ellis having done that for a while.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 11, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
Neither Kalinic or Nyland were brought in by Dean Smith either.  He wants his own man between the sticks and I expect the owners and Christina Purslow to back him.

I don’t think that matters really

Grealish and McGinn were not bought in by Smith but I bet he still wants to keep hold of them
if they are good enough (keepers) he will play them if he has doubts he will look for a replacement

it looks as though he has some doubts by the number and amount of times we are being linked with keepers

for what it’s worth I think the goalkeeper is right up there with a striker as the most important position on the pitch

Look at what Man City and Liverpool have done spent as much money on a keeper than they did on there star players
If we were going to spend big money on one player a goalkeeper is not a bad place to spend it if you spend it right

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2019, 07:30:20 PM
It does make a difference if you have faith in those players, because you WILL want to keep them.  I am guessing that Cutler and/or Smith lack faith in Kalinic and/or Hyland. Which is why we want a new keeper. I totally agree with you about the importance of the position though.  Personally, I'd like us to go for Butland and it's something of a statement.  Current England international and will be desperate to move.  We may need to bring him in before we sign Mings as we don't want to finance any Bournemouth move for Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tony Boucher on June 11, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
Stoke apparently not interested in Kalinic or Nyland (don’t blame them!), but not because they don’t want to sell - they just want cash. Supposedly they’ve already bought Davies from Barnsley as a replacement, so fully expecting to sell Butland somewhere
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on June 11, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
I'd like to see us bid for Tomori. A good quick mobile defender who fits the bill.

I can’t see him arriving. Tomori never comes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on June 11, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Just seen this on twitter from Villa report.
Aston Villa are interested in Cordoba’s Andres Martin. Jesús García Pitarch has visited Cordoba personally to watch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 11, 2019, 08:45:41 PM
They've just been relegated from Segunda division in Spain is all I know of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 11, 2019, 08:51:01 PM
Just seen this on twitter from Villa report.
Aston Villa are interested in Cordoba’s Andres Martin. Jesús García Pitarch has visited Cordoba personally to watch.

A 5ft7 winger, haven’t we already just purchased one of them? 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CpF on June 11, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Of all the links in the media so far, this one looks the most like the work of an agent.

(and having said that, he'll no doubt be holding up a Villa shirt within 48 hours)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 11, 2019, 11:45:13 PM
Neither Kalinic or Nyland were brought in by Dean Smith either.  He wants his own man between the sticks and I expect the owners and Christina Purslow to back him.

Kalinic was brought in under the new regime including Smith last January. Paying 7m for a keeper then was utter lunacy given the problems elsewhere we had. In the handful of appearances he had, Kalinic despite his frame moved like an oak tree and had the presence of a mouse. Might well be a different player after a full pre season with us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TaxDodger on June 11, 2019, 11:49:18 PM
Goalkeeper may well be out most important position next season. We can’t really afford to gamble our position in the premier league in the hope that Kalinic comes good. Get Butland in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 11:53:27 PM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 12, 2019, 08:44:15 AM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.
Cue the return of the funniest player ever - I give you ........Micah Richards :(
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 12, 2019, 08:57:26 AM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.
Cue the return of the funniest player ever - I give you ........Micah Richards :(

I'd be pushing for Gustavo Bartelt in this race.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 12, 2019, 11:18:55 AM
Rumours of Matt Targett. Wouldn’t mind that one
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 12, 2019, 11:41:57 AM
All i know is that the likes of Birmingham Mail and others click bait 'headlines' are getting more idiotic and more desperate looking by the day. I'm assuming that they give the 15 year old work experiences the task of coming up with this shit just to give them something to do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 12, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
arn’t all the people moaning about ‘click bait’ the same ones who are clicking on the click bait
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
Rumours of Matt Targett. Wouldn’t mind that one

There seem to be a few links to that rumour.
We're getting linked to anyone and everyone at the moment, though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dribbler on June 12, 2019, 12:27:38 PM
Goalkeeper may well be out most important position next season. We can’t really afford to gamble our position in the premier league in the hope that Kalinic comes good. Get Butland in.

Ultimately we need to have one eye on the present and one eye on the future, that almost certainly means buying an established proven quality player for now to bring us the experience and solidity we require to stay and prosper in the Premier League, and paying the price that costs, but looking to develop young and hungry players for the future and either move them up to become the number one, or sell them on at a profit.

That doesn't just apply to goalkeepers but the whole squad, and from what's been said by all involved with the running of the club, i'm confident they'll stay true to that approach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dribbler on June 12, 2019, 12:28:58 PM
Rumours of Matt Targett. Wouldn’t mind that one

I'd give him a shot, though he could be hit or miss.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on June 12, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.

I thought ‘reverse cowgirl’ was the funniest position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 12, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
arn’t all the people moaning about ‘click bait’ the same ones who are clicking on the click bait

Not in my case. I take it you approve of it then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 12, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
Just seen this on twitter from Villa report.
Aston Villa are interested in Cordoba’s Andres Martin. Jesús García Pitarch has visited Cordoba personally to watch.

100% one of those youth players football manager invents.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on June 12, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.

I thought ‘reverse cowgirl’ was the funniest position.

Ergo we should re-sign Postma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2019, 04:08:55 PM
Pablo Fornals off to Kit Stealers it seems. They were discussing this deal with him and his agent while we were still a Championship side. Reality if where we have been and we have to play catch up on reputation as a PL club as well other clubs are just further ahead on player negotiations. The money won’t be an issue but we also don’t want to get desperate and overpay. Fucked Fulham over last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2019, 04:45:15 PM
Which is why part of our strategy has to be to get players who if we do drop  are capable of performing and bringing us back up first time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on June 12, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
Goalkeeper is also the funniest position, and it's important not to overlook that.

I thought ‘reverse cowgirl’ was the funniest position.
You obviously haven't come across the "reverse trombone" then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 12, 2019, 08:27:06 PM
Not missing one tiny bit the ridiculous cryptic tweets of our monosodium glutomate magnate chancer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 12, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
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#avfc are launching a £14m bid for  Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips. One of Dean Smith’s top targets for the summer https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/12/aston-villa-target-leeds-united-midfielderkalvin-phillips-14m/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 12, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
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#avfc are launching a £14m bid for  Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips. One of Dean Smith’s top targets for the summer https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/12/aston-villa-target-leeds-united-midfielderkalvin-phillips-14m/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball

Is he the one who marked Grealish out of the game?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on June 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
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#avfc are launching a £14m bid for  Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips. One of Dean Smith’s top targets for the summer https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/12/aston-villa-target-leeds-united-midfielderkalvin-phillips-14m/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball

Is he the one who marked Grealish out of the game?


I like this
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2019, 10:47:59 PM
Philips is excellent, make it so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2019, 10:51:11 PM
The whole article from Percy makes good reading, available on Newsnow. Mings, Butland and Phillips on the go. Also says we have signed Hause? Not officially as far as I know.  A big yes please from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on June 12, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
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#avfc are launching a £14m bid for  Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips. One of Dean Smith’s top targets for the summer https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/12/aston-villa-target-leeds-united-midfielderkalvin-phillips-14m/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball

Is he the one who marked Grealish out of the game?


I like this

He’s definitely off, we’ll see where he ends up. He adopted such a deep role this year and did pretty well. Good player. I think we might just be driving the price up for wxlves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 12, 2019, 11:10:35 PM
Hope he's not the same Calvin twat in the songs of Mike Skinner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 12, 2019, 11:10:49 PM
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#avfc are launching a £14m bid for  Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips. One of Dean Smith’s top targets for the summer https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/12/aston-villa-target-leeds-united-midfielderkalvin-phillips-14m/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball

Is he the one who marked Grealish out of the game?


I like this

He’s definitely off, we’ll see where he ends up. He adopted such a deep role this year and did pretty well. Good player. I think we might just be driving the price up for wxlves.

They wouldn't sign a Championship player. They're way too good for that. They're after the PSG squad. I bet those lads can't wait to swap the left bank for the left behind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 12, 2019, 11:32:49 PM
Was Phillips the fella who who pretended to put the ball out of play before playing on and them scoring controversially?  If so, get him signed.  The more shithouses the better!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2019, 12:06:34 AM
Was Phillips the fella who who pretended to put the ball out of play before playing on and them scoring controversially?  If so, get him signed.  The more shithouses the better!

Nope, Tyler Roberts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 13, 2019, 07:48:52 AM
Phillips is exactly what we need, a proper warrior at the base of midfield to let Jack and John go and play. Also he picks up the space between the back four, he'd allow Mings to go and defend on the front-foot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2019, 08:26:56 AM
I do like this link, he would fit well in our team. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
Sounds similar to our Grealish situation last season to me. Home grown talent, fan of the club etc. If Bielsa stays I can see him staying there for one more season (or January at least) to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2019, 08:38:38 AM
Really liked Phillips last year, thought he was their best player. Can cover across the back too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
The verdict from a Leeds mate:

"Probably the best player in the league last year.

But I am biased.

We’ll have no chance without him. Bielsa built everything around him last season. 

He made a very average team look excellent.

Without him, I am not sure where we go?

PLEASE POLITELY TELL YOUR TEAM TO FUCK OFF"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 13, 2019, 10:38:04 AM
I’m generally pleased with all/most of the players we have been linked with whether they have been from good sources or just tittle tattle

even the ones I’ve never heard off seem pretty good at closer  inspection
this makes a big change from previous managers/years




Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 10:39:04 AM
Jay Rodriguez the latest link. Available for £5m from Albion apparently because of a contract clause.

As a back-up striker for £5m wouldn't be the worst signing. Definitely not a first choice though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 13, 2019, 10:40:19 AM
Jay Rodriguez the latest link. Available for £5m from Albion apparently because of a contract clause.

As a back-up striker for £5m wouldn't be the worst signing. Definitely not a first choice though.

Your just joshing right ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
I’m generally pleased with all/most of the players we have been linked with whether they have been from good sources or just tittle tattle

even the ones I’ve never heard off seem pretty good at closer  inspection
this makes a big change from previous managers/years


Also, they seem to be targeting exactly the areas which people on here generally feel they should be.

Back-up for Jack - tick
Defensive midfielder - in for Phillips
Loan players - get them back
Goalkeeper, Striker, Left back.

It's refreshing that what they're doing is so clearly sensible instead of stockpiling players in positions we already have players in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 10:41:43 AM
Jay Rodriguez the latest link. Available for £5m from Albion apparently because of a contract clause.

As a back-up striker for £5m wouldn't be the worst signing. Definitely not a first choice though.

Your just joshing right ?

What, about not being a first choice? No, deadly serious. We'd need better than that to lead the line.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2019, 10:43:48 AM
Jay Rodriguez the latest link. Available for £5m from Albion apparently because of a contract clause.

As a back-up striker for £5m wouldn't be the worst signing. Definitely not a first choice though.

Your just joshing right ?

What, about not being a first choice? No, deadly serious. We'd need better than that to lead the line.

He'll be useless with VAR
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 10:52:08 AM
Jay Rodriguez the latest link. Available for £5m from Albion apparently because of a contract clause.

As a back-up striker for £5m wouldn't be the worst signing. Definitely not a first choice though.

Your just joshing right ?

What, about not being a first choice? No, deadly serious. We'd need better than that to lead the line.

He'll be useless with VAR

Good in football tennis games in training though, he'd just turn it into volleyball.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
Phillips and McGinn is the sort of midfield that would run us off the park in days gone by.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 13, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
I don't think Rodriguez is a bad shout, has scored goals through the middle at this level, can play wide, works hard. We need two strikers so if we can get someone like him and then a proven first choice it's not bad business.

I think he's an upgrade on Kodjia anyway.

Phillips is fantastic and the best player in the Championship who isn't called Jack. Really like him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on June 13, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
I’m generally pleased with all/most of the players we have been linked with whether they have been from good sources or just tittle tattle

even the ones I’ve never heard off seem pretty good at closer  inspection
this makes a big change from previous managers/years


Also, they seem to be targeting exactly the areas which people on here generally feel they should be.

Back-up for Jack - tick
Defensive midfielder - in for Phillips
Loan players - get them back
Goalkeeper, Striker, Left back.

It's refreshing that what they're doing is so clearly sensible instead of stockpiling players in positions we already have players in.

A small part of me is missing the fact we haven’t already signed 3 more right backs to supplement the 4 we already have.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
Phillips is fantastic and the best player in the Championship who isn't called Jack. Really like him.

I can't think of any good players called Jack in the Championship anymore (winky face)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 11:48:11 AM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.
Must admit I kind of agree with this.  There is plenty of time to go though and maybe he's just doing the quick wins first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 11:53:27 AM
Yeah I was rather hoping we would be linked with players who had played at Real Madrid not Real Smethwick.

Have we got shitloads of cash or not?

I won't start panicking just yet, though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 13, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
That thought had crossed my mind as well, but then our 2 signings to date haven't been English. I care about the right players being brought in, regardless of nationality. If problem positions can be filled by english people who can presumably meet the minimum "english trained" requirements in matchday squads (can't recall what those rules are), then great, we can supplement this with additional foreign signings. There's been nothing in Smith's history (or presumably Pitarch's) to suggest they'll go down then MON route.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 12:00:31 PM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.

We've signed 3 players so far - Guilbert, Jota and El Ghazi. None of them are English. Two of them hadn't played in England until we signed them (originally in El Ghazi's case).

Why not judge the management on what they do rather than who the papers choose to link us with?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 13, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
We're going to need some squad depth and I was actually thinking the other day that Rodriguez wouldn't be a bad shout as a squad player.  Despite his tendency for volleyball and diving for pens I actually think he's a decent player and has played and scored at PL level before.  Always seemed to cause us trouble, but I suppose the volleyball and diving has had a bit to do with that.  For £5m it might be worth it.

Smith's management style and signings at Brentford indicate he's nothing like MON.  Thankfully.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 12:09:33 PM
We're going to need some squad depth and I was actually thinking the other day that Rodriguez wouldn't be a bad shout as a squad player.  Despite his tendency for volleyball and diving for pens I actually think he's a decent player and has played and scored at PL level before.  Always seemed to cause us trouble, but I suppose the volleyball and diving has had a bit to do with that.  For £5m it might be worth it.

Yep. We're going to need more than one striker brought in - one big money signing and then one or even two others to supplement. £5m on this signing would mean more can go on the big deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.

We've signed 3 players so far - Guilbert, Jota and El Ghazi. None of them are English. Two of them hadn't played in England until we signed them (originally in El Ghazi's case).

Why not judge the management on what they do rather than who the papers choose to link us with?

Jota is a former player of Dean's, Guilbert is a total unknown and El Ghazi was already playing with us and is therefore not exactly a new signing really.

I will wait of course. It's just worth pointing out that expensive British signings and players who used to play for him elsewhere was precisely MON's MO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 13, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
I could not care where they come from, I do believe that we have a management team that know what they are doing though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
Be interesting to see how many of these linked players will actually result in them being signed, or even bid on, I'm guessing it's a low percentage and we will keep our cards close to our chests.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 13, 2019, 12:27:34 PM
You mean buy well-regarded players from abroad by the barrow-load, and destry a team, just like Fulham?

Or incrementally build a team that will firstly survive and then prosper with suitable additions?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 13, 2019, 12:28:16 PM
A small part of me is missing the fact we haven’t already signed 3 more right backs to supplement the 4 we already have.
I assumed we went for a "concept squad" consisting entirely of right backs as an elaborate piece of avant-garde performance art where we were making a telling statement on the state of modern day international politics.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 12:31:37 PM
You mean buy well-regarded players from abroad by the barrow-load, and destry a team, just like Fulham?

Or incrementally build a team that will firstly survive and then prosper with suitable additions?

Who said by the barrow-load? I just want us to cast the net as wide as possible. I feel like people are forgetting that this is a league in which you need Richarlison - a genuine Champions League level player - just to finish 8th.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 12:32:13 PM
You mean buy well-regarded players from abroad by the barrow-load, and destry a team, just like Fulham?

Or incrementally build a team that will firstly survive and then prosper with suitable additions?
Yes, because it's either or isn't it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 12:34:26 PM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.

We've signed 3 players so far - Guilbert, Jota and El Ghazi. None of them are English. Two of them hadn't played in England until we signed them (originally in El Ghazi's case).

Why not judge the management on what they do rather than who the papers choose to link us with?

Jota is a former player of Dean's, Guilbert is a total unknown and El Ghazi was already playing with us and is therefore not exactly a new signing really.

I will wait of course. It's just worth pointing out that expensive British signings and players who used to play for him elsewhere was precisely MON's MO.

We haven't made any expensive British signings. We've signed one player who used to play for him and one player who was already here, as well as an overseas fullback in a position we need to reinforce.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 12:38:00 PM
I was talking about the links. Truth be told we've signed two players who would (probably) have come in even if we'd stayed down. I know that @rumourzzbitchh or whatever will link us with anyone and everyone but the credible stuff - BBC, John Percy etc - has all been domestic UK.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 12:40:45 PM
I might be being testy because my hero, Gavin Williamson isn't in the running for PM, but I can't see your logic here Monty. Who cares where they come from, they're all clearly footballers rather than the hod carriers that MON signed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
We're being linked with good players and all but I'm concerned by the parochialism to be honest. All the proper links have been English for one thing - not just playing in England but actually English. I do not want a repeat of Monism.

We've signed 3 players so far - Guilbert, Jota and El Ghazi. None of them are English. Two of them hadn't played in England until we signed them (originally in El Ghazi's case).

Why not judge the management on what they do rather than who the papers choose to link us with?

Jota is a former player of Dean's, Guilbert is a total unknown and El Ghazi was already playing with us and is therefore not exactly a new signing really.

I will wait of course. It's just worth pointing out that expensive British signings and players who used to play for him elsewhere was precisely MON's MO.

MoN's MO was to sign 28-32 year old players with little resale value and not play them.

Buying good 20-25 year old players like Butland, Mings, Hause, Phillips is as far from O'Neill's MO as you can possibly get. It's more akin to what Tottenham did at the start of their resurgence.

Also I've seen links with Maxi Gomez, Pablo Fornals, Andres Martin, Yoann Barbet, Said Benrahma, Andre Ayew, Baptiste Santamaria to name just some, so I'm not sure why those aren't 'proper links'. They've been from the same sources as the links with English players so we clearly are also looking at foreign players and foreign players playing abroad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 12:50:02 PM
OK fair, so my concern is they might be good players but they are still only proven to be good at Championship level really. Of course we're unlikely to buy many dead-certs for the Premier League standard, but it is odd that we only seem to be looking in one place for these players who might make it - to boot, the division which we just happen to know best and which happens to be the one for teams not good enough for the top flight. Throw in the premium on English players as well and you have an unnecessarily narrow strategy. But, if course, we'll wee who actually comes in.

SheffV - yes indeed, the youth and technical focus of those players linked is encouraging and what we expect from Dean, it's just that there was this sample size problem with MON's policy which was also a problem. As for those other links, they haven't come from the sources I personally trust - which form an admittedly small sample size themselves!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 12:54:46 PM
OK fair, so my concern is they might be good players but they are still only proven to be good at Championship level really. Of course we're unlikely to buy many dead-certs for the Premier League standard, but it is odd that we only seem to be looking in one place for these players who might make it - to boot, the division which we just happen to know best and which happens to be the one for teams not good enough for the top flight. Throw in the premium on English players as well and you have an unnecessarily narrow strategy. But, if course, we'll wee who actually comes in.

SheffV - yes indeed, the youth and technical focus of those players linked is encouraging and what we expect from Dean, it's just that there was this sample size problem with MON's policy which was also a problem. As for those other links, they haven't come from the sources I personally trust - which form an admittedly small sample size themselves!

I think that signing the best players in the Championship is a good policy. As Sheffield said, it's what got Spurs going.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 12:55:23 PM
OK fair, so my concern is they might be good players but they are still only proven to be good at Championship level really.
That's my main concern.  I'm less interested in their nationality (although I'd like to see us scouting far and wide) than their ability.  I think we need more Premier League experience.  If Mings comes in that's some, although only about half a season.  I hope we will get some in because not doing so would be a very risky strategy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on June 13, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
Is guess since Suso and co have only been in place less than a year our revamped scouting network isn’t as entrenched and identifying players just yet so we’re not signing unknown gems just yet.

Same as the academy overnight isn’t going to start churning out world beaters.  A lot of patience will be required in this window and coming ones.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2019, 01:11:03 PM
I don't really pay too much attention to links, mainly because there are so many of them, the majority of them turn out to be wrong and links is all they really are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 01:29:35 PM
The Spurs point is fair, but you should still look wherever for the right players. Just as a reminder of how insane this league is now, the side that finished 10th last year is signing (unless the very unsubstantiated rumours about us going in are true) a 24 million pound midfielder who's played for Spain. We're going to need to run very fast to stay still in this league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2019, 01:33:56 PM
Young, Hungry and coachable was the mantra

All current links (Jota aside) are exactly that

For the first time in years I actually trust the judgement and professionalism of the coaches and board to get the right quantity and quality of players needed.
And I also think the time we know about a signing will be when it is done which is crap for someone as impatient as me but TBH the right way to do it
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passitsideways on June 13, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
There was nothing wrong with MON's British inclination when it resulted in the purchase of players with genuine ability such as Milner, Young, Delph and Downing, the issue was with all the plodders and technically-limited types. I have to confess, I always thought Curtis Davies was capable of achieving more in the game than he ended up doing, but on the other hand paying money for guff like Reo-Coker and Luke Young was only going to end one way.

I would think the same applies now - I don't take care if they're British if we're talking about players like Kalvin Phillips or James Justin, let's just keep away from proven mediocrities such as Dwight Gayle or Charlie Austin
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
Young, Hungry and coachable was the mantra

All current links (Jota aside) are exactly that

For the first time in years I actually trust the judgement and professionalism of the coaches and board to get the right quantity and quality of players needed.
And I also think the time we know about a signing will be when it is done which is crap for someone as impatient as me but TBH the right way to do it
How do we know all current links are 'hungry', whatever that means?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on June 13, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
Looks like we may have just signed a striker and broken our transfer record...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:11:32 PM
Looks like we may have just signed a striker and broken our transfer record...
Take that source with a pinch of salt...hln!?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 13, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
Who's been linked?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 13, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/1139155671142805504
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2019, 02:17:16 PM
Brazilian lad playing in Belgium.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2019, 02:17:22 PM
big lad linked with a few club
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:17:36 PM
Who's been linked?
Wesley Moraes from Club Brugge. Been reported by a Belgian journo on twitter.

https://twitter.com/niels_27
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 13, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Apparently respected Belgian journo breaking this.......

7 years ago Aston Villa signed a strong, tall, promising 21-year old striker from the Jupiler Pro League.

Now they have signed a strong, tall, promising 22-year old striker from the same league: Brazilian Wesley Moraes from Club Brugge for £22m.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
Err wow OK Terreur (what a name) isn't usually one to fuck around, proper journalist.

If true can I just retract all of my posts from today?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:19:54 PM
...as everyone jumps on youtube.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
22m for a striker with a 1-in-3 record in Belgium seems steep...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 13, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
I've just asked my 18 year old (FIFA generation)....beast is the reply!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 13, 2019, 02:22:52 PM
If its true then he's our first ever Brazilian signing?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 02:22:53 PM
Do we have a glove sponsor?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 13, 2019, 02:23:05 PM
Wow, exciting. Only one strong season under his belt but a big unit.

Is that our first Brazilian player?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2019, 02:24:36 PM
wikipeadia   plays for Villa  . .    what we like
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on June 13, 2019, 02:24:43 PM
Second. Cafu was first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
Wow, exciting. Only one strong season under his belt but a big unit.

Is that our first Brazilian player?

I understand that Richard Dunne was shaved that way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2019, 02:25:51 PM
Please, please please......








No drums at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 13, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
22m for a striker with a 1-in-3 record in Belgium seems steep...
I dont disagree but that's the table we're dining at now.

£50m got Everton a 1 in 7 Brazilian striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2019, 02:26:55 PM
could be the agent telling Newcastle to sort it out or else

Never heard of him ..   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2019, 02:28:45 PM
Aston Villa
Wesley Moved to Aston Villa on the 13th of June 2019, the story was broken by a random group of Belgian journalists before the English cub were aware.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
Terreur says 'signed' though. Not 'in for' or 'close to' - actually signed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:29:49 PM
22m for a striker with a 1-in-3 record in Belgium seems steep...
I dont disagree but that's the table we're dining at now.

£50m got Everton a 1 in 7 Brazilian striker.
Yeah it's just the way it is now. You receive more tv money, you have to hand over more in transfer money. Neymars fault but 22 million is a drop these day. Didn't Chelsea pay 10 -17 mill for Lukaku 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2019, 02:32:02 PM
Terreur says 'signed' though. Not 'in for' or 'close to' - actually signed.

well I always wanted Wesley scneider so Im half happy with this
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
The classic 2 minute clips on youtube remind me of a young Carew at Valencia.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on June 13, 2019, 02:32:59 PM
You tube montage shows him scoring lots from inside the six yard box , rebounds etc, and a few longish shots. Like the look of him from that, much as Youtube is obviously a highlight reel
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 13, 2019, 02:34:18 PM
Wikipedia entries mean nothing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:35:05 PM
You tube montage shows him scoring lots from inside the six yard box , rebounds etc, and a few longish shots. Like the look of him from that, much as Youtube is obviously a highlight reel
Remember when Helenius looked good on youtube.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 02:37:38 PM
You tube montage shows him scoring lots from inside the six yard box , rebounds etc, and a few longish shots. Like the look of him from that, much as Youtube is obviously a highlight reel
Remember when Helenius looked good on youtube.
He was pants.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
Fwiw (i.e. nothing) I'm interested in how from the YouTube clip he seems to drop deep and create a fair bit - always a concern that a big striker won't combine as well with sharper players like Jack but he seems to have the technique. That said he'll need to speed it up for the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
Commonly known as ‘Big Wes’ according to Wiki
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 13, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
I guess if it's true it means we know for sure there is no chance of getting Tammy back then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
You tube montage shows him scoring lots from inside the six yard box , rebounds etc, and a few longish shots. Like the look of him from that, much as Youtube is obviously a highlight reel
Remember when Helenius looked good on youtube.
He was pants.
Vertonghen thought so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 13, 2019, 02:40:23 PM
Then get in Maupay, and Benteke on a free for back up. Front line is sorted. Tammy who.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2019, 02:42:06 PM
He's young. Could be a promising signing. I think it's worth the gamble. 20 million isn't a huge amount for a forward these days. We're going to take a dent in the finances from the promotion windfall that's for sure, so hopefully we stay up (which we will of course).  He looks built for this league that's for sure. He's gonna have El Ghazi, McGinn, Grealish, Jota and Hourihane providing. He should score goals. It's either that or we pay 30 million for Tammy, and there's still no gaurantee Chelsea would let him go at this juncture given their situation.

Any striker we sign is going to be a gamble. This big fella, plus another in the 10 bracket would be good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Wiki also says he was Belgian young footballer of the year in 17-18
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
Fwiw (i.e. nothing) I'm interested in how from the YouTube clip he seems to drop deep and create a fair bit - always a concern that a big striker won't combine as well with sharper players like Jack but he seems to have the technique. That said he'll need to speed it up for the Premier League.

Monty you ok man? You seem a bit down about things. English players, this signing potentially, bring back in the PL. Not like you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:47:47 PM
Been burnt too often, never hope too hard or it'll hurt more when the inevitable happens.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 02:48:30 PM
They don't seem to do much defending in the Belgian league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on June 13, 2019, 02:50:11 PM
I'm not going to believe any story until I'm told Admin is in the building with all the news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
I thought it was obvious from Tammy's tweet last week that he won't be coming back.

Given that, it is extremely encouraging to sign a forward so quickly. Like we've been thinking about stuff in advance for a change.

No idea if he's any good, but the seeming quick action on pre identified targets is cause for optimism.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on June 13, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
It's beginning to look real.
https://m.calciomercato.com/en/news/exclusive-agent-of-newcastle-and-lazio-target-confirms-agreement-53099
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
Isn't this the sort of signing that doesn't get a work permit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
According to Terreur, having played in the Champions League (and the fee) next to guarantees a permit from the Exceptions Panel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2019, 02:54:51 PM
Been burnt too often, never hope too hard or it'll hurt more when the inevitable happens.

You’re right but I’m prepared to give it the full benefit of the doubt with the current group. We’re not winning the league any time soon, and I know it is a gut feeling but it all seems to be a lot more cohesive with actual bonafide business professionals in charge, the owners who have legitimately made money and lots of it vs the last two who either inherited it or who knows if they even had it. And a manger who genuinely cares about every single aspect of the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Tattoo sleeve.  Severe side parting.  He's got Premier League written all over him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 13, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
If we can get Maupay in too, I'd be happy with that!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2019, 03:07:25 PM
Kristof Terreur  📰 🎥‏
Verified account
@HLNinEngeland
2 minutes ago

His agent has confirmed that an agreement was reached yesterday. Announcemenf expected later.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 03:08:05 PM
Isn't this the sort of signing that doesn't get a work permit?

He wouldn't automatically qualify as he doesn't meet the international criteria (he has yet to get a cap)...

It would then be decided on points. He would meet the points requirement purely based on being higher than the 75th percentile of transfer fess and, presumambly, higher than the 75th percentile of wages, too.

They aren't honour bound to honour the points system and can reject it if they wish, but it would be unlikely.

If they do reject it anyway, it would go into a secondary points criteria. He would qualify doubly having played a minimum of 30% of group games in the Champions League (he played in all six) and having played in a minimum of 30% of knockout games in the Europa League (he played in both legs before their elimination).

Even then they still could turn his application down. The points systems are both advisory and the board have the final decision. I would be very surprised though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2019, 03:09:16 PM
Isn't this the sort of signing that doesn't get a work permit?

Kristof Terreur  📰 🎥‏
Verified account
@HLNinEngeland
40 minutes ago

Wesley didn’t qualify for a work permit, but as he has played in the Champions League and the high fee will make sure that the Exception Panel gives him one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
Obligatory youtube video

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 03:15:45 PM
If this does happen, when was the last time we signed someone where there hadn't even been a sniff of a rumour beforehand?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on June 13, 2019, 03:17:43 PM
He's a big boy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
Isn't this the sort of signing that doesn't get a work permit?

Kristof Terreur  📰 🎥‏
Verified account
@HLNinEngeland
40 minutes ago

Wesley didn’t qualify for a work permit, but as he has played in the Champions League and the high fee will make sure that the Exception Panel gives him one.

Here's the point system used, looks like he'll qualify easily (apologies for lack of formatting)

Part A Objective Criteria
Criteria
Points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
3 points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Transfers1.
2 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
3 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Wages.
2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
568
Miscellaneous
Appendix 1: Exceptions Panel Procedures
Part B Objective Criteria
 Criteria
 Points
 The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
  1 point
 Players2 for whom no transfer fee is payable who have been ascribed a virtual transfer value (on such basis and in such amount as the Exceptions Panel deems to be appropriate in its absolute discretion) which exceeds the value which is 20% below the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers
 1 point
 The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
  1 point
 The player’s current club is in a Secondary League and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
   1 point
 The player’s current club has played in the final qualification rounds of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
  1 point
 The applicant club is able to show3 that the player has participated in the Secondary Percentage4 of senior Competitive International Matches5 played by that player’s National Association during the Reference Period.
OR
The player’s National Association was a semi-finalist in the Asian Cup or African Cup of Nations in the immediately preceding 12 months of the date of the application for a GBE.
If the National Association is ranked outside the top 60 in the FIFA Aggregated World Rankings at the time of the application, the club must be able to show3 that the player participated in 75% or more4 of the Competitive International Matches5 played by the National Association during the Reference Period.
  1 point
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Notes:
1 No points will be awarded for players for whom no transfer fee is payable at the time an application for a GBE is made for that player. This includes (but is not limited to) players transferring on a free transfer and players for whom a transfer fee has previously been paid but that player has been sent out on loan and is returning to their parent club.
2 Players registering with a club on loan or for whom a transfer has previously been completed (regardless of whether a transfer fee was paid or not) but that player has been sent out on loan and is returning to their parent club cannot be ascribed a virtual transfer fee.

  Appendix 1: Exceptions Panel Procedures
3 The applicant club must provide written confirmation setting out all matches (including Competitive International Matches, friendlies and any other international matches that the player was involved in) in which the player:
• tookpart;
• was Unavailable for Selection; and
• did not take part but was not Unavailable for Selection.
An applicant club should obtain such confirmation from the player’s National Association. If the relevant National Association is not able to confirm this, this fact should be confirmed by the applicant club to The FA. At this stage, The FA will seek to independently verify this information through its own sources. The responsibility lies with the applicant club to provide this information where it is able to do so. A decision will not be made until this process has been completed and any relevant supporting evidence is submitted.
4 In calculating the Secondary Percentage (or other relevant percentage), any Competitive International Matches for which the player was Unavailable for Selection are to be excluded.
5 If fewer than 30% of a National Association’s matches during the Reference Period are Competitive International Matches, friendly matches will be included in the calculation.
4. SUBJECTIVE REVIEW
Where a player scores 4 points or more by reference to the Part A objective criteria; or following any consideration of a club’s application under the Part B objective criteria (regardless of points scored), the Exceptions Panel will then conduct a subjective review of the information presented by the club and any other information which it considers to be relevant in its absolute discretion in respect of the player in order to determine whether the player is of sufficient quality to justify it recommending that a GBE be awarded. As has been set out above at paragraph 2.2, clubs should ensure that all evidence that they want to be considered in respect of the player is submitted in writing ahead of the determination by the Exceptions Panel.
570
Miscellaneous

571
Appendix 1: Exceptions Panel Procedures
Examples of matters which the Exceptions Panel may take into account when conducting the subjective review include but are not limited to:
• If applicable, the fact that the player satisfies or partially satisfies some of the automatic criteria for a Governing Body Endorsement (as set out under 2.1 (Criteria under which a Governing Body Endorsement will automatically be granted)), as well as the extent to which the player exceeds or falls short of these criteria.
• The reasons why the automatic criteria (as set out under paragraph 2.1 (Criteria under which a Governing Body Endorsement will automatically be granted) above) were not met.
• Against which objective criteria (whether Part A or Part B objective criteria) points have been scored and how many points have been scored.
• The extent to which the player exceeds either the Part A or Part B objective criteria that he has met or falls short of either the Part A or Part B objective criteria he does not meet.
5. OUTCOME
If a player scores 4 points or more by reference to the Part A objective criteria or a Cumulative Total Score of 5 points of more under the Part A and Part B objective criteria, the Exceptions Panel may grant a GBE, but is under no obligation to do so. The Panel is entitled to consider, as part of its subjective review, any other circumstances or facts which it deems to be relevant in its absolute discretion in deciding whether to recommend that a GBE is awarded.
If a player scores fewer than 4 points by reference to the Part A objective criteria and a Cumulative Total Score of fewer than 5 points under the Part A and Part B objective criteria, the Exceptions Panel is guided to refuse a GBE unless it is satisfied, following its subjective review, that the player is internationally established at the highest level and that his employment will make a significant contribution to the development of football at the highest level in England . In determining this, the Exceptions Panel may consider any other circumstances or facts which it deems to be relevant in its absolute discretion in deciding whether to recommend that a GBE is awarded.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 13, 2019, 03:19:40 PM
Obligatory youtube video


I'd be worried he's not mobile enough. We're are going to miss the Tammy sliding in toe pokes. But what do I know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2019, 03:20:51 PM
If this does happen, when was the last time we signed someone where there hadn't even been a sniff of a rumour beforehand?

Guilbert?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: D.boy on June 13, 2019, 03:26:08 PM
I'm liking the way the club are conducting their business. Media speculation linking us to numerous names as usual and then out of the blue a new signing that no-one had a sniff of (providing this turns out to be true).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 13, 2019, 03:40:56 PM
You tube montage shows him scoring lots from inside the six yard box , rebounds etc, and a few longish shots. Like the look of him from that, much as Youtube is obviously a highlight reel
Remember when Helenius looked good on youtube.
He was pants.

The only thing from memory he did of note was have them pulled down.

Is Belgium the new Holland? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: D.boy on June 13, 2019, 03:43:03 PM
"Villareport" on Twitter seems to be getting a lot of info and reckons negotiations were concluded yesterday. 25 million euros is being quoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2019, 03:45:03 PM
"Villareport" on Twitter seems to be getting a lot of info and reckons negotiations were concluded yesterday. 25 million euros is being quoted.

Getting it from the same places we were quoting it from. In fairness they don't claim otherwise as they credit where the links came from.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 13, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
kristof Terrur, Terrur (silent 'r')
He's bigger than John Carew
both bigger than me and you
Terrur, Carew, Terrur

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on June 13, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
John Percy tweeted that he's coming over at the weekend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
"Villareport" on Twitter seems to be getting a lot of info and reckons negotiations were concluded yesterday. 25 million euros is being quoted.

Getting it from the same places we were quoting it from. In fairness they don't claim otherwise as they credit where the links came from.

There was a rumour on Monday of a medical being booked for yesterday so that seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on June 13, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
Tsk. Who cares about bloody players now we only gone and got ourselves a bona fide grade A Official Sleeve Partner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 04:18:26 PM
Tsk. Who cares about bloody players now we only gone and got ourselves a bona fide grade A Official Sleeve Partner.

A thread of thanks is order. I never thought we'd get there. Walk on, walk on...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on June 13, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
God, I missed PL transfer rumors.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Lewis Dunk
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Lewis Dunk

I think bullies used to do that to me at school.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on June 13, 2019, 05:26:49 PM
Is it a wizard sleeve sponsor?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2019, 05:28:12 PM
Is it a wizard sleeve sponsor?
We would look like ****** if it was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 13, 2019, 05:35:17 PM
Im hoping the Phillips links are correct, Leeds were on TV an awful lot last year and he always looked like the one holding them together. Horrible, niggly, never stops running, just what we need. Him, McGinn and Grealish would be a very good young balanced trio.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 13, 2019, 05:55:47 PM
Looks a decent prospect. When he was deeper and played the ball in front of him, I would like to see him run on to the penalty spot, but Deano and co. will sort him out. Now for a trickier accomplice for him and we're looking better. Will Davis be enough for backup if we have 2 main forwards?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2019, 06:01:46 PM
So if rumours are true

Butland

Guilbert Dunk Mings Targett

Phillips

Grealish McGuinn

Jota El Ghazi

Big Wes

It’s starting to look like a team 🤞
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 13, 2019, 06:11:58 PM
I suspect that this might not be our only record transfer this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2019, 06:16:46 PM
I suspect that this might not be our only record transfer this summer.

I think you maybe right sir
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on June 13, 2019, 06:17:22 PM
Avfc official now say terms agreed subject to clearance. No mention of a medical so maybe he's already had one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 06:23:44 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
Promotion.
Young talented English players being targeted.
Popular loanees signed up.
The old and the past-it shipped out.
Richards and McCormack a distant memory.
Managers and fans seemingly in tune on what needs to be done.
Small Heath imploding again.
And now a 6ft Brazilian wonderkid striker signed.

It's not been a bad few weeks really, has it?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
Breaking our transfer record early on will hopefully make our other targets sit up and want to join us.  Purslow said a journey, he is absolutely right. Brilliant few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 13, 2019, 06:50:44 PM
The great thing is that considering Percy mentioned 6 or 7 signings on top of Jota, El Ghazi and (i think) Hause, there should be another couple of surprise signings in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2019, 07:05:17 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 07:06:52 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?

What's Heskey up to?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2019, 07:08:54 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?
Bente....I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 13, 2019, 07:10:07 PM
Rodriguez was mentioned earlier in the post, at first I read it and thought fuck rite off but when you think about it at £5m he would be good business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2019, 07:15:55 PM
Rodriguez was mentioned earlier in the post, at first I read it and thought fuck rite off but when you think about it at £5m he would be good business.
I'd go along with that to be fair for that price. And it would annoy West Brom too. Added bonus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 13, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?
Bente....I'll get me coat.
Fits the profile of what I'm talking about, just not him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 13, 2019, 07:19:32 PM
No ta, Rodrigues is a top-knotted tosser with an inner-ear problem. Nowhere near good enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ian. on June 13, 2019, 07:20:05 PM
I like this thread when you have an extra 5 pages in the last few hours since you visited, ‘tis exciting!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?

What's Heskey up to?

Don't even joke about it, Dave.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
Rodriguez was mentioned earlier in the post, at first I read it and thought fuck rite off but when you think about it at £5m he would be good business.
I'd go along with that to be fair for that price. And it would annoy West Brom too. Added bonus.

James Rodriguez, yes please.

Jay Rodriguez, fuck right off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2019, 08:01:36 PM
Apparently we were the favourites to sign Charlie Austin at one point.  Just saying!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2019, 08:02:40 PM
I'm still not going to relax or be happy until we've signed Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
I'm still not going to relax or be happy until we've signed Mings.

Very true, me too Risso.  I want us to get Hause too, the extra height will come in handy with the set piece Coach we have.  Plus, I think he's a cracking, versatile player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 08:04:52 PM
Assuming we get Hause, presumably it's Dunk or Mings? We wouldn't get all three, would we?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 08:15:04 PM
Assuming we get Hause, presumably it's Dunk or Mings? We wouldn't get all three, would we?

Given last season we had variations of Mings, Hause, Chester, Elphick and Tuanzebe back there, we still need one more on top of Hause and Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 08:17:58 PM
I don't disagree. But think a young kid or some older bloke happy to sit on the bench would be more likely than signing a load of defenders in their prime.

If we could get Hause, Mings and Dunk I'd be happier than Mr Happy on his birthday  enjoying a seven hour Ecstacy binge!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 13, 2019, 08:19:52 PM
Is Dunks Mrs happy to move from the beach?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
I don't disagree. But think a young kid or some older bloke happy to sit on the bench would be more likely than signing a load of defenders in their prime.

If we could get Hause, Mings and Dunk I'd be happier than Mr Happy on his birthday  enjoying a seven hour Ecstacy binge!

Can't Hause be that young kid and Chester be the older bloke?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 08:23:35 PM
Would Hause want to leave Wolves' bench for ours? And I'm not sure if Chester is going to be fit but if he is I suspect we won't be signing three centre-halves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2019, 08:28:56 PM
Would Hause want to leave Wolves' bench for ours? And I'm not sure if Chester is going to be fit but if he is I suspect we won't be signing three centre-halves.

I'd hope that he'd come in expecting fierce competition for his position rather than assuming he was coming in to start.

He wasn't in our strongest eleven in the Championship so I don't think he could expect to walk into the team in the Premier League.

I'd hope Mings + 1 + Hause desperate to prove he should start over one of them + Chester to fill in when needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
Well, I hope you're right. We'll see.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Moose on June 13, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Could Hause replace Taylor?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2019, 08:49:12 PM
Dunk is a really good defender.  Him and Mings, and Guilbert, with Hause as back up, or at left back, is a pretty solid line up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2019, 08:50:18 PM
Could Hause replace Taylor?

My vacuum cleaner could replace Neil Taylor, particularly in the attacking third.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 13, 2019, 09:11:45 PM
Could Hause replace Taylor?

My vacuum cleaner could replace Neil Taylor, particularly in the attacking third.

Insert sweeper joke here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 13, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
Could Hause replace Taylor?

My vacuum cleaner could replace Neil Taylor, particularly in the attacking third.

Insert sweeper joke here.

We still linked with Rico HENRY?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on June 13, 2019, 10:28:31 PM
I'm still not going to relax or be happy until we've signed Mings.

You’re not alone..... as Olive sang
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2019, 10:32:18 PM
I like this thread when you have an extra 5 pages in the last few hours since you visited, ‘tis exciting!

Tis the season!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2019, 11:47:39 PM
I thought Hause and Mings was our most solid looking CB partnership in the games they played together (and that includes the Axel and Mings pairing).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2019, 11:53:59 PM
The Chelsea manager is joining Juventus. Wonder if that could reignite our interest in Abraham if the new bloke doesn't rate him.

I reckon we could afford both Tammy and Wesley!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 13, 2019, 11:56:27 PM
I thought Hause and Mings was our most solid looking CB partnership in the games they played together (and that includes the Axel and Mings pairing).

Agreed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on June 13, 2019, 11:57:56 PM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 14, 2019, 12:01:56 AM
I think we could now go for an older, more experienced Premier League striker.  It would be asking a lot of the new lad to carry us through our first season back.

Makes sense. Who though?
Ian Wright ?😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Arsey on June 14, 2019, 01:15:41 AM
The Chelsea manager is joining Juventus. Wonder if that could reignite our interest in Abraham if the new bloke doesn't rate him.

I reckon we could afford both Tammy and Wesley!

We will only ever play one up top. So I really cannot see us paying big money on two strikers when one will end up on the bench.

We have Davis and Kodjia as back up strikers if Wes gets injured.  There are plenty of other positions that need filling or strengthening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 14, 2019, 01:18:29 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2019, 05:43:12 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.
Steve Bruce.?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 14, 2019, 06:13:39 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.
Steve Bruce.?

Manager!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 14, 2019, 07:37:38 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.
Steve Bruce.?

Sam Allardyce David Moyes Alan Pardew Mark Hughes. Good list to chose from. Fill your boots Pensioners
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2019, 09:24:59 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.

I would disagree with that, if the 2 transfer window ban does actually get enforced Lampard is the perfect choice because the supporters will stick with him & realise that with last seasons team minus Hazard they are in a rebuild phase. 

Lampard is also likely to give game time to younger players like Mount, Tammy or Reece James & Hudson-Odoi/Loftus-Cheek when fit.

If they have any sense (& not sure they have) that transfer ban is a good opportunity to strip their squad back a bit & not end up with 40/50/60 players out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Must be a quiet day today if we are talking about Chelski’s problems. We need another signing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
Must be a quiet day today if we are talking about Chelski’s problems. We need another signing!

It's quite correct that we take an interest in the problems of small clubs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
Must be a quiet day today if we are talking about Chelski’s problems. We need another signing!

I know boring isn’t it....we haven’t broke our transfer record for 16 hours :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 14, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
I watched the Playoff final again yesterday, and doing so in a calm and collected manner, realised how well Tomori played for Derby. He's not the biggest for a centre-half, but by-and-large managed to keep Tammy under control. He also tries to play from the back, much like Tuanzebe does. If Axel is a definite no-go, we could do a lot worse than get this guy in. We need to do so quickly though, as if Lampard does go to Stamford Bridge, I can see him trying to integrate Tomori into the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 14, 2019, 10:36:37 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.

Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa. In case anyone missed it as well they’ve now won more trophies than us so still work to be done on our part to sort that out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 14, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.

Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa. In case anyone missed it as well they’ve now won more trophies than us so still work to be done on our part to sort that out.

You can't compare team for team though can you? Teams have different expectations.

Chelsea's would have been to be challenging for the league and the Champions League. They were 26 points away from the title and in the Europa League. They have a transfer ban for two windows, have sold their best player and their proven striker options consist of Oliver Giroud. I'd say by Chelsea's recent standards, they aren't in the best place right now.

Yes, of course we'd love to swap and be 3rd in the Premier League.

I'm sure Kiddie Harriers would want to swap with Blues. It doesn't stop Blues being a shower of shite, does it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 12:13:24 PM
Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa.
I take your point but for any of those clubs at the top it's like settling for second best. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 14, 2019, 12:34:11 PM
Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa.
I take your point but for any of those clubs at the top it's like settling for second best.

Fair point. In fairness we should look at Chelsea as the exception that maybe proves the rule. Ultimately most clubs preach a stability agenda and want to replicate the Ferguson/Wenger model but Chelsea have come in and used disruption and instability in management appts to create success. I realise the money Abramovich ploughs in helps but you can’t deny they’ve been phenomenally successful in their approach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 14, 2019, 12:36:38 PM
If Lampard ends up back there I think Tammy will end up getting game time at Chelsea, unfortunately
If Lampard is appointed manager then surely that signals the beginning of the end for Abromavic in terms of Chelski seriously challenging for honours. I would actually feel sorry for Derby as he could do a good job there, but Chelski need someone with a lot more experience that Lampard to sort the mess out.

Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa. In case anyone missed it as well they’ve now won more trophies than us so still work to be done on our part to sort that out.

You can't compare team for team though can you? Teams have different expectations.

Chelsea's would have been to be challenging for the league and the Champions League. They were 26 points away from the title and in the Europa League. They have a transfer ban for two windows, have sold their best player and their proven striker options consist of Oliver Giroud. I'd say by Chelsea's recent standards, they aren't in the best place right now.

Yes, of course we'd love to swap and be 3rd in the Premier League.

I'm sure Kiddie Harriers would want to swap with Blues. It doesn't stop Blues being a shower of shite, does it?
Yep maybe I’ve missed the comparative levels of where we are/want to be in my comments but as I said in my other post the disruption (mess?) element to how they run their club is interesting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 14, 2019, 12:41:01 PM
Yep maybe I’ve missed the comparative levels of where we are/want to be in my comments but as I said in my other post the disruption (mess?) element to how they run their club is interesting.

I'd certainly be interested to know if it was intentional on Abrahimovic's part to rotate through so many managers (keeping things fresh?) or whether as is more likely he just gets bored with his latest investment and wants a new toy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 14, 2019, 12:50:30 PM
Yep maybe I’ve missed the comparative levels of where we are/want to be in my comments but as I said in my other post the disruption (mess?) element to how they run their club is interesting.

I'd certainly be interested to know if it was intentional on Abrahimovic's part to rotate through so many managers (keeping things fresh?) or whether as is more likely he just gets bored with his latest investment and wants a new toy.

The managers he selects tend to be more project focused for 2-3 years. None of Mourinho, Ancelotti, Sarri, Conte, Scolari (maybe missing 1 or 2) are the dynasty building type. It's a model that works and any manager that goes in there knows exactly what they are signing up to.

Lampard is a complete change to that model. I thought Lampard in the playoff final had an utter nightmare with regards team selection, timing of subs and tactics. I don't think he is anywhere near ready to be honest  for the Chelsea gig.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 14, 2019, 02:15:50 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

Few links I saw today suggests he wants to stay at Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 14, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
I can't see how we would get Dunk from Brighton - surely they know selling their better players to rivals will leave them really struggling? I recently read a football stats book and it showed that spending big on defence was better points-wise than spending big on strikers. It's the psychology of non-events (ie we don't notice so much when we don't concede, as opposed to noticing goals scored).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

Few links I saw today suggests he wants to stay at Leeds.
Thought he might if he's a Leeds lad.  With Bielsa staying they probably think they've got a good chance next year.  Respect for him if he does stay, bit like Jack with us.  Shame as I'd really like him to come.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

He's still got a stupid hairdo
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 14, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
Seriously. the team that’s just finished 3rd in the League and won the Europa League. Ok Sarri was a bit out of place and didn’t fit but I’d like a bit of Chelsea’s “mess” down the Villa.
I take your point but for any of those clubs at the top it's like settling for second best.

Fair point. In fairness we should look at Chelsea as the exception that maybe proves the rule. Ultimately most clubs preach a stability agenda and want to replicate the Ferguson/Wenger model but Chelsea have come in and used disruption and instability in management appts to create success. I realise the money Abramovich ploughs in helps but you can’t deny they’ve been phenomenally successful in their approach.


Watford are another club who have been relatively successful despite having a revolving door managerial policy in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 14, 2019, 02:27:05 PM
Must be a quiet day today if we are talking about Chelski’s problems. We need another signing!

I know boring isn’t it....we haven’t broke our transfer record for 16 hours :-)

We have been let down. Where has the so called ambition gone? Sack the board.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2019, 02:28:04 PM
You could say that Man United are struggling from having a model that was built around one figure head and then suffering when that person leaves too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 14, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
Must be a quiet day today if we are talking about Chelski’s problems. We need another signing!

I know boring isn’t it....we haven’t broke our transfer record for 16 hours :-)

We have been let down. Where has the so called ambition gone? Sack the board.

So parochial as well, only signing players from the planet earth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2019, 05:23:08 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

Few links I saw today suggests he wants to stay at Leeds.
Thought he might if he's a Leeds lad.  With Bielsa staying they probably think they've got a good chance next year.  Respect for him if he does stay, bit like Jack with us.  Shame as I'd really like him to come.

Same here. I think he'd fit right in and the type of player we now need. What is he, 22 - 23? I'm not really a fan of us picking at the bones of the clubs in the Championship but Phillips is a great talent and worth a punt. He might be expensive but could turn out to be a great long term investment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 14, 2019, 05:31:20 PM
Yep he’s going to be expensive and ultimately Leeds May decide hes too important to let go. money talks but the rewards for promotion are greater.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 14, 2019, 05:33:23 PM
Surely we gotta have a go at signing Bowen from Hull, can’t see them turning a decent offer down. He would be excellent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2019, 05:35:21 PM
I'd like us to sign Andreas Skov Olsen, sadly I think a club currently further up the food chain will snap him up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2019, 05:38:44 PM
Never heard of him so I looked him up. Quite prolific for a winger but that fits the mould of the modern game. Might be a bit early for the powerclubs to show an interest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 14, 2019, 05:38:51 PM
I'd like us to sign Andreas Skov Olsen, sadly I think a club currently further up the food chain will snap him up.

He’d start more games for us, not seen him play as I stopped my world of football watching when we were relegated. Seems highly rated
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 14, 2019, 05:40:46 PM
I do love Bowen though, he’s smashing, super and great.


Apologies if this has been used countless times before
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 14, 2019, 05:44:26 PM
I think we've made a very encouraging start to the transfer window, hopefully Hause will be announced next week, followed by Mings in the next couple of weeks. But we will still have a busy few weeks before the season starts, by my reckoning we would still need 5 signings who can go straight into the first team plus 2 or 3 to replace players like Bjarnason and Lansbury who aren't good enough for the bench. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 14, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I do love Bowen though, he’s smashing, super and great.


Apologies if this has been used countless times before

Bowen is a real talent. His style is very much in the mould of Arjen Robben. Plays predominantly on the right but favours his left foot. A hungry, goalscoring wide man. Of all the wingers we've been linked with he's the one I'd love above all of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2019, 05:52:48 PM
Fun facts. Bowen's dad is a Villa fan (Jarrod isn't), he had an unsuccessful trial with us as a youngster and his first pro goal was against us at VP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 06:05:09 PM
Just saw a stat that we used 5 goalkeepers last season! We definitely need to fix that
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2019, 06:06:32 PM
Just saw a stat that we used 5 goalkeepers last season! We definitely need to fix that

Too right, we need to get a couple more in to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 14, 2019, 06:09:42 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

The Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-response-aston-villa-offer-16517348
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
Fun facts. Bowen's dad is a Villa fan (Jarrod isn't), he had an unsuccessful trial with us as a youngster and his first pro goal was against us at VP.

He has a son and cannot force Villa on him. Disgrace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
He needs to sort his barnet out.  It's awful.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2019, 06:24:08 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

The Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-response-aston-villa-offer-16517348

The reason Leeds failed to get promotion was mainly due to injuries key players in their small squad. Are they going to make the same mistake or cash in with Phillips and make the necessary reinforcements?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 06:34:22 PM
Suggestions that Jack Butland is very close to being done. No word on fee or how it would impact Steer, Nyland or Kalinic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 06:35:44 PM
Suggestions that Jack Butland is very close to being done. No word on fee or how it would impact Steer, Nyland or Kalinic.
I imagine it would mean that Nyland or Kalinic would go.  Maybe both.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
No doubt. Kalinic as a current international keeper isn’t going to want to be on the bench. I can see us starting with Butland, backed up by Steer and Nyland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2019, 06:42:53 PM
Suggestions that Jack Butland is very close to being done. No word on fee or how it would impact Steer, Nyland or Kalinic.

Suggestions where?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 14, 2019, 06:44:02 PM
Suggestions that Jack Butland is very close to being done. No word on fee or how it would impact Steer, Nyland or Kalinic.

Suggestions where?

Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 06:46:43 PM
Like anything there are those you can follow who don’t post much by way speculation and seem to get quite a bit right when they do. And we all know even with the best info deals do fall through at the last minute. And he doesn’t get all of it as he never got a whiff of Wesley until it happened. But this one seems a decent chance by all accounts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2019, 06:47:17 PM
Ah ok, cheers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
Wesley being signed without a hint of anyone hearing anything shows how little anyone is ITK. How anyone can claim to have insider knowledge and yet not have a clue about a record signing is beyond me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 14, 2019, 07:04:30 PM
Wesley being signed without a hint of anyone hearing anything shows how little anyone is ITK. How anyone can claim to have insider knowledge and yet not have a clue about a record signing is beyond me.

Especially with this regime. All the cards are face-down out seems which is great.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 07:29:56 PM
No idea where he gets his info from. He seems to do better with domestic deals vs those abroad. Will see if what he says comes off. He announced AEG done a day or two before it was official. He’s suggested to Butland is close and now also that Phillips is progressing well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lsvilla on June 14, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
And Twitter now saying Butland is done !! If so - how serious must our owners be ??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2019, 07:49:44 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
And Twitter now saying Butland is done !! If so - how serious must our owners be ??

Hope it's true, would be harsh on Steer, but would be foolish to go into the new season with untried keepers in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 07:53:48 PM
If it's true I think Butland is potentially a massive signing for us.  Clear upgrade (in my opinion) in a key position.  Premier League experience, international experience, young but not a rookie, sell on value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
I’d be delighted if Phillips is true. Boundless energy between him and McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on June 14, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
Wesley being signed without a hint of anyone hearing anything shows how little anyone is ITK. How anyone can claim to have insider knowledge and yet not have a clue about a record signing is beyond me.
Granted, but I don't think Wesleys mum works down the shops.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on June 14, 2019, 08:00:00 PM
Any news on Kalvin Phillips?

The Mirror

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-response-aston-villa-offer-16517348

I always chuckle when the reporter states that the club are "bracing" themselves for a bid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 14, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 14, 2019, 08:30:32 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
He needs to sort his barnet out.  It's awful.

Possibly the worst hair-don't in professional football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 08:35:43 PM
That team would be comfortable midtable and I think even if that's all the signings we'd have enough in the squad as emergency cover to get by through normal injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 08:47:42 PM
I'm not so sure.  I'd like to see more choices in all four wide positions.  Solid looking spine though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 08:56:34 PM
I'm not so sure.  I'd like to see more choices in all four wide positions.  Solid looking spine though.

Elmo, Taylor, Bree, Green, Jota and Kodjia is plenty of cover, I wouldn't trust any of them to play 20-25 games but 2-3 here and there and some subs appearances would be fine.

The weak area for me would be up front, I think Davis has something to offer but probably only as the 3rd choice and I'm not sure Kodjia could play up front in the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
We need extra up front. Far too much pressure to expect the new guy to be playing 35+ games. Get Maupay in too and I'll be happy with our options at centre-forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 09:05:22 PM
I’m still hoping Jack is going to convince Tammy to come back when he realises he isn’t going to get a game at Chelsea
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
The Birmingham Mail journalists really are shocking aren’t they. On Dunk they said  “The 27-year-old has racked up over 270 appearances for the Seagulls after progressing through the south-coast club’s academy but could be on the move this summer after their relegation to the Championship”.  If I were a Seagulls fan I would sue them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
Without the transfer ban I think there would have been a very good chance Tammy would have come back or at least the two sides would have spoken about it. Chelsea will close ranks and have to dip into what they have so Tammy might get a look now. Clearly we've moved on and I imagine we will pursue another striker at least. And I can see Kodjia staying now also which in the end isn't the worst thing in the world when fully fit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 09:16:49 PM
Yes I’m sure Kodjia will stay as it’s the only chance he will ever get to play in the Premier League, and you never know it might give him a lift
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 14, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:23:11 PM
Errr...Wolves  last season did ok?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
The Birmingham Mail journalists really are shocking aren’t they. On Dunk they said  “The 27-year-old has racked up over 270 appearances for the Seagulls after progressing through the south-coast club’s academy but could be on the move this summer after their relegation to the Championship”.  If I were a Seagulls fan I would sue them
They have forward vision as Brighton will get relegated  at the end of this coming season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?
That's my worry too.  Plus it's a lot of new faces to integrate.  I'd have no doubts about Butland, Mings, Dunk, SJM and Jack and I'd put money on Wesley doing quite well but the others...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2019, 09:26:37 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 09:26:46 PM
Errr...Wolves  last season did ok?
I'm not sure that says a lot about our players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 14, 2019, 09:37:01 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Grealish- McGinn-El Ghazi - add another in there of quality and you have a midfield better than must bottom half teams in the top league

just a bit of football knowledge and a hunch and I to would say it’s a mid table team
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:42:38 PM
Errr...Wolves  last season did ok?
I'm not sure that says a lot about our players.
It was ref to our two players not having PL experience and not having played in this country before.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2019, 09:49:11 PM
How good is Butland at saving penalties? Because there are going to be a lot next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 09:50:13 PM
Errr...Wolves  last season did ok?
I'm not sure that says a lot about our players.
It was ref to our two players not having PL experience and not having played in this country before.
I know.  As things stand, I think our first eleven needs more experience in it, especially down the flanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.

Talking of who I see has just gone a free transfer to MK Dons, my how our world has changed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dribbler on June 14, 2019, 10:11:16 PM
Errr...Wolves  last season did ok?
I'm not sure that says a lot about our players.
It was ref to our two players not having PL experience and not having played in this country before.
I know.  As things stand, I think our first eleven needs more experience in it, especially down the flanks.

What kind of experience? It's already been clearly shown with the Wolves example that a good team with hardly any Premier League experience can prosper (mid table in this context), which was what the original point being questioned, so your reply is a little bit non sequitur.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 14, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.

But that is pretty disingenuous really, as none of the players in that team is Messi, or Messi's pale shadow. Jack has great ability and potential but other than him nothing about that XI screams to me "Could on its day be a match for any Premier League side", which is what a comfortable mid table team will ultimately need to be in the modern climate.

We have a good chance of surviving, but I still think it'll be by the skin of our teeth, unless we make a few surprise signings of a higher standard than the ones in JUAN PABLO's eleven above.

Just think people are getting carried away if they think that a young Brazilian striker nobody had ever heard of until yesterday + Jack Butland and a lad who bottled the Championship along with the rest of the Leeds squad = suddenly marching up the premier league table.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2019, 10:20:41 PM
What kind of experience? It's already been clearly shown with the Wolves example that a good team with hardly any Premier League experience can prosper (mid table in this context), which was what the original point being questioned, so your reply is a little bit non sequitur.
Saying 'Our team currently doesn't have much experience of the Premier League or, in some cases, English football' is quite true.  Saying 'Wolves did well' doesn't make it false.  Saying 'that lack of experience might be a disadvantage' is a reasonable conclusion.  Saying 'Wolves did well' doesn't make it unreasonable. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 14, 2019, 10:20:54 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.

But that is pretty disingenuous really, as none of the players in that team is Messi, or Messi's pale shadow. Jack has great ability and potential but other than him nothing about that XI screams to me "Could on its day be a match for any Premier League side", which is what a comfortable mid table team will ultimately need to be in the modern climate.

We have a good chance of surviving, but I still think it'll be by the skin of our teeth, unless we make a few surprise signings of a higher standard than the ones in JUAN PABLO's eleven above.

Just think people are getting carried away if they think that a young Brazilian striker nobody had ever heard of until yesterday + Jack Butland and a lad who bottled the Championship along with the rest of the Leeds squad = suddenly marching up the premier league table.

Now who's being disingenuous? People are talking about mid-table, not 'marching up the league table'.

That means being better than 6 or 7 of the likes of Sheff Utd, Norwich, Burnley, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace etc - try looking at their squads. Burnley with Westwood and Lowton for example.

And if you're going to start throwing in nonsense like 'a lad who bottled the Championship', lets also have Jack Grealish 'a player who Tottenham wanted in their team', Jack Butland 'the England no 2' and Anwar El Ghazi 'previously played for top clubs in Holland and France'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 14, 2019, 10:27:35 PM
We're seeing a reinvention of Aston Villa. Last season, other than two loaned centre-halves which were pretty much necessities we had to find from somewhere, Smith played the hand he was dealt, and got us up at the first time of asking. Now he, and everyone else involved, gets to effectively start from scratch. I think all that matters is that whoever we get in is The Right Player for getting us to where we want to go next. I can not see us bringing in an "experienced" player primarily because of their experience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 10:31:15 PM
I mentioned this before that many are still haunted by the Ghost of Villa PL Past. And that’s ok because it was a nightmare. I don’t think it will be remotely the same. That squad, the club, the fans couldn’t have been any less united. That along with being better in terms of quality will mean a lot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2019, 10:39:58 PM
I mentioned this before that many are still haunted by the Ghost of Villa PL Past. And that’s ok because it was a nightmare. I don’t think it will be remotely the same. That squad, the club, the fans couldn’t have been any less united. That along with being better in terms of quality will mean a lot.

It's still hope, rather than expectation isn't it?  There remains that little bit of doubt because of the negative journey over the last 8 years or so.  Hopefully, the journey that Christian Purslow talks about is a far more positive experience and doing it with a Villa fan in charge makes me believe that little bit more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dribbler on June 14, 2019, 10:42:56 PM
What kind of experience? It's already been clearly shown with the Wolves example that a good team with hardly any Premier League experience can prosper (mid table in this context), which was what the original point being questioned, so your reply is a little bit non sequitur.
Saying 'Our team currently doesn't have much experience of the Premier League or, in some cases, English football' is quite true.  Saying 'Wolves did well' doesn't make it false.  Saying 'that lack of experience might be a disadvantage' is a reasonable conclusion.  Saying 'Wolves did well' doesn't make it unreasonable. 

Yes "Saying 'that lack of experience might be a disadvantage' is a reasonable conclusion." however it's not a conclusive conclusion, as it's just as reasonable a conclusion to say that it wont be a disadvantage, as evidence shows. In fact it could just as reasonably be said that inexperience of the Premier League could be an advantage, as they are a more unknown quantity to the teams and the managers that manage them. Plus, many a team of experienced players has been relegated from the Premier League, and many a promoted team have survived the first season or two, only to be relegated after they've had a year or two of experience.

What that probably points to, is that it's more about having the right philosophy, structure, management and tactics, with the right players... players with the right attitude, skill and hunger who can develop and grow. From everything that's been consistently said by the club so far, it's the latter attributes we are prioritising.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 14, 2019, 10:56:21 PM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.

But that is pretty disingenuous really, as none of the players in that team is Messi, or Messi's pale shadow. Jack has great ability and potential but other than him nothing about that XI screams to me "Could on its day be a match for any Premier League side", which is what a comfortable mid table team will ultimately need to be in the modern climate.

We have a good chance of surviving, but I still think it'll be by the skin of our teeth, unless we make a few surprise signings of a higher standard than the ones in JUAN PABLO's eleven above.

Just think people are getting carried away if they think that a young Brazilian striker nobody had ever heard of until yesterday + Jack Butland and a lad who bottled the Championship along with the rest of the Leeds squad = suddenly marching up the premier league table.

Now who's being disingenuous? People are talking about mid-table, not 'marching up the league table'.

That means being better than 6 or 7 of the likes of Sheff Utd, Norwich, Burnley, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace etc - try looking at their squads. Burnley with Westwood and Lowton for example.

And if you're going to start throwing in nonsense like 'a lad who bottled the Championship', lets also have Jack Grealish 'a player who Tottenham wanted in their team', Jack Butland 'the England no 2' and Anwar El Ghazi 'previously played for top clubs in Holland and France'.

Mid-table to me means anywhere from 8th-12th. Anything lower is firmly 'bottom half'. And by the overwhelmingly positive tone of the OP, I was taking it that he was thinking closer to 8th than 12th. Either way I personally think those are out of our reach with the eleven players quoted above.

Hardly nonsense to point out that neither Butland or Phillips actually achieved anything in the Championship last year. Not good enough for 8th-12th place in the PL in my opinion, but if you think so that's great.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 14, 2019, 11:05:52 PM
Mid-table to me means anywhere from 8th-12th. Anything lower is firmly 'bottom half'. And by the overwhelmingly positive tone of the OP, I was taking it that he was thinking closer to 8th than 12th. Either way I personally think those are out of our reach with the eleven players quoted above.

Hardly nonsense to point out that neither Butland or Phillips actually achieved anything in the Championship last year. Not good enough for 8th-12th place in the PL in my opinion, but if you think so that's great.

No, I said that the description 'a lad who bottled the championship' for Phillips was nonsense.

Although actually, confusing individual performance with a team's finishing position is almost as stupid now you come to mention it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 14, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
It’s good that we’re making some swift progress, especially given the size of the task. It feels to me that even if we accept Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan as squad players, and Mings and Hause are confirmed, we still need a left back, a centre back, a centre mid, and possibly another striker. Then there are the players we need to shift, Tshibola, and Kalinic (if we buy Butland). That’s all before we try to improve on Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan - which might prove too much for this window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2019, 11:10:23 PM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

That’s as bollocks an approach as young and hungry was. How about we just get the best players that are attainable to fit the system the manager wants to play without a specific criteria other than he’s really quite good. I reckon that’s mostly what we are doing now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 14, 2019, 11:32:02 PM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

That’s as bollocks an approach as young and hungry was. How about we just get the best players that are attainable to fit the system the manager wants to play without a specific criteria other than he’s really quite good. I reckon that’s mostly what we are doing now.

Exactly. We've signed so many shit experienced players over the years (as well as some good ones) that it seems pretty clear that experience is not the reason why players succeed or fail.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 11:44:43 PM
And that’s been my point about the club. Even the very best players will fail when the environment at the club is toxic. It’s 180 degrees from that now. It’s a brilliant place to come to work and we as fans are so connected now with the manager, our captain and literally everything that culminated in promotion. Players will thrive here. The ones we bought in the past, even the good ones had no chance at all in the darkest summer and season we finally went down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 14, 2019, 11:49:57 PM
And that’s been my point about the club. Even the very best players will fail when the environment at the club is toxic. It’s 180 degrees from that now. It’s a brilliant place to come to work and we as fans are so connected now with the manager, our captain and literally everything that culminated in promotion. Players will thrive here. The ones we bought in the past, even the good ones had no chance at all in the darkest summer and season we finally went down.

Yeah 100% this, such a positive place now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2019, 11:56:04 PM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

I reckon we get Gabby and Micah Richards back in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 14, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
"shit (and also some not so shit) experienced players" also tend to be massively overpriced and have excessive wages attached to them...there is definitely a diligent method to our transfer dealings, but also a wise cutting our cloth accordingly approach rather than spunking money up the wall on excessive transfer fees and wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2019, 11:58:59 PM
Whoever Jimmy McCann is, he's saying that the Butland deal to Villa is done.  And that the Calvin Phillips deal is progressing well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 15, 2019, 12:02:16 AM
Whoever Jimmy McCann is, he's saying that the Butland deal to Villa is done.  And that the Calvin Phillips deal is progressing well.

Jimmy McCann, isn't he Gerry McCann's long lost brother?

Google says he's either an Irish Entertainer or a drugs trafficker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2019, 12:04:32 AM
He's the babysitter.

He only had one job, FFS!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 15, 2019, 12:06:13 AM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

That’s as bollocks an approach as young and hungry was. How about we just get the best players that are attainable to fit the system the manager wants to play without a specific criteria other than he’s really quite good. I reckon that’s mostly what we are doing now.
Experience is something that is likely to help make players really quite good.  It's come to something when experience is seen as a disadvantage.  of course that will all change when Smith signs a couple of them, as I think he will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2019, 12:07:58 AM
It’s good that we’re making some swift progress, especially given the size of the task. It feels to me that even if we accept Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan as squad players, and Mings and Hause are confirmed, we still need a left back, a centre back, a centre mid, and possibly another striker. Then there are the players we need to shift, Tshibola, and Kalinic (if we buy Butland). That’s all before we try to improve on Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan - which might prove too much for this window.

I'd agree on that.

Butland (Steer, Kalinic/Nyland) - 3

Guilbert (Elmo, Bree) -3
Mings, Hause (Chester, NEW) - 4
NEW (Taylor) - 2

NEW, Mcginn, Grealish (Hourihane, Lansbury, Bjarnason) - 6
El Ghazi, Jota (Kodjia, Green) - 4

Wesley (NEW/Hogan, Davis) - 3

That's the 25 I'd suspect. A few of them aren't up to the standard we'd want so I'd be happy to add a few replacements but the 3/4 new guys (along with the 3 that we're guessing will complete soon) would still be a massive summer and I think I'd stop there purely to give the squad a chance to settle.

Seeing it written down I think I'd prioritise a centre mid next as I really don't want to see Lansbury or Bjarnason in the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2019, 12:45:41 AM
No one has said experience is bad, it's the idea that Premier League experience on it's own is important that some people disagree with. Last time we were in the PL it was the players with PL experience that let the club down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 12:55:51 AM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

That’s as bollocks an approach as young and hungry was. How about we just get the best players that are attainable to fit the system the manager wants to play without a specific criteria other than he’s really quite good. I reckon that’s mostly what we are doing now.
Experience is something that is likely to help make players really quite good.  It's come to something when experience is seen as a disadvantage.  of course that will all change when Smith signs a couple of them, as I think he will.

Mr Shin covered it. Experience is good if it is channeled correctly and positively. Gabby had loads of it, Micah Richards had experience as did Joleon Lescott. On its own it should never be a strategy. But get the right characters, quality players, even if experience is lacking (Mings as an example) and you can soon develop the right environment that everyone thrives. I want really good up and coming players as well a sprinkling of experience that aligns with what the manager wants in terms of attitude and desire.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passitsideways on June 15, 2019, 01:27:41 AM
I get that people aren't too fond of using Wolves as an example, but I think they demonstrate the point that some have been making: out of the players in the squad, the only ones with any meaningful Premier League experience before last season were Ryan Bennett and John Ruddy (the latter who barely played). The thing is, they signed Moutinho and Patricio, both of whom have seen it all outside of England, and maybe that helped lift the others, but at the end of the day I suspect it was everyone there pulling in the right direction.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 15, 2019, 04:23:20 AM
No one has said experience is bad, it's the idea that Premier League experience on it's own is important that some people disagree with. Last time we were in the PL it was the players with PL experience that let the club down.
I don't think anyone's actually floated that idea though have they?  I certainly haven't. Last time we were in the PL we were let down by a lot of players we should never have signed because they weren't good enough - they were too old, too injury prone, past their best and badly motivated.  It wasn't because they were too experienced.  All I'm saying is that experience is one quality among many others.  When I look at the team and backups that was posted a few pages ago I think one of the qualities it lacks is experience, along with perhaps a bit of pace.  And depth.

Butland's got bags of experience, top flight and international, for a lad of his age; I don't think anyone'saying we shouldn't sign him because of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2019, 06:51:06 AM
Are we just being friendly neighbours and bailing out the Blues with our signings?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2019, 07:25:45 AM
I think some are confusing experience with leadership.
You can have all the experience in the world but unless it is used to help or inspire others it is of little value to the team.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 15, 2019, 08:58:08 AM
Agreed.  You can have bags of experience but still be shite...

What impresses me most about the recruitment philosophy is that personality/character is clearly part of the identification criteria, which hopefully will weed out the bad eggs and mean we end up with a squad that will move us forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
I like Butland and think he's better than Pickford, who has two or three mistakes in him a game.

Butland's chance to get back as England number 1, Stoke will need to sell this summer. I think it would be a decent move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 15, 2019, 09:33:50 AM
It’s good that we’re making some swift progress, especially given the size of the task. It feels to me that even if we accept Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan as squad players, and Mings and Hause are confirmed, we still need a left back, a centre back, a centre mid, and possibly another striker. Then there are the players we need to shift, Tshibola, and Kalinic (if we buy Butland). That’s all before we try to improve on Taylor, Bjarnason, Green and Hogan - which might prove too much for this window.

I'd agree on that.

Butland (Steer, Kalinic/Nyland) - 3

Guilbert (Elmo, Bree) -3
Mings, Hause (Chester, NEW) - 4
NEW (Taylor) - 2

NEW, Mcginn, Grealish (Hourihane, Lansbury, Bjarnason) - 6
El Ghazi, Jota (Kodjia, Green) - 4

Wesley (NEW/Hogan, Davis) - 3

That's the 25 I'd suspect. A few of them aren't up to the standard we'd want so I'd be happy to add a few replacements but the 3/4 new guys (along with the 3 that we're guessing will complete soon) would still be a massive summer and I think I'd stop there purely to give the squad a chance to settle.

Seeing it written down I think I'd prioritise a centre mid next as I really don't want to see Lansbury or Bjarnason in the premier league.

I'd agree with the general jist of that for the squad.
3 keepers, in actual fact a new keeper wouldn't be my priority be it Butland or anyone else. Don't get me wrong, i'd not be upset at signing Butland but i'm not sure Steer has done much wrong or Kalinic has had much of a shot, maybe the one thing to look at in Jan if they're not up to it. If we do get Butland then sell Nyland.
RB - 2, i'd start with Elmo first choice, Guilbert back up and i'd loan Bree out for 6 months +
LB - 2, yes, new LB with Taylor 2nd choice
CB - 4, Chester+ 3 new ones hopefully including Mings and Hause.
CM - 4 - McGinn, New player, Hourahane, Bjarnasson
AM - 1 Grealish
RW - 1, New high quality signing
LW - 1, El Ghazi
Winger either side 1 - Green
General Forwards -2 - Jota, Kodjia (Jota could stand in for Grealish or play wing, Kodjia could play left wing or CF)
CF - 2- Wesley, Davis
23, any more can come through the youth system.

Offload - Lansbury, Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 15, 2019, 09:57:30 AM
I really hope the days of signing someone for their Premier League experience are long gone.

That’s as bollocks an approach as young and hungry was. How about we just get the best players that are attainable to fit the system the manager wants to play without a specific criteria other than he’s really quite good. I reckon that’s mostly what we are doing now.
Experience is something that is likely to help make players really quite good.  It's come to something when experience is seen as a disadvantage.  of course that will all change when Smith signs a couple of them, as I think he will.

Mr Shin covered it. Experience is good if it is channeled correctly and positively. Gabby had loads of it, Micah Richards had experience as did Joleon Lescott. On its own it should never be a strategy. But get the right characters, quality players, even if experience is lacking (Mings as an example) and you can soon develop the right environment that everyone thrives. I want really good up and coming players as well a sprinkling of experience that aligns with what the manager wants in terms of attitude and desire.

You missed Joe Cole - he had lots too. Shay Given was a fine keeper who peaked about 5 years before he joined us so was an ok one. Emile Heskey.
Both of those cost 10m+ in wages.
Other Premier experience we bought - lots under Martin O'Neill, most had fupp all sell on value
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richie on June 15, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
if carlsberg did transfers
                  wesley
el ghazi       grealish   mcginn    bowen or Benrahma
                  philips
hause    mings       dunk         guilbert
                  butland

we would be safe


Would we?

That team? If we have few injuries and set up correctly, then yes that is a mid table team.

We need 6 or 7 first team squad players as we let that number go.

Less than half of them have ever played Premier League football before and two have never even played in this country before, so what actual basis do you have for thinking that team would finish mid table?

Because "having played in the Premier League" isn't the only criteria you can apply to attempt to judge a player's potential ability.

That's why Lionel Messi is more sought after than, say, Jordan Bowery.

Talking of who I see has just gone a free transfer to MK Dons, my how our world has changed

Lionel Messi has gone on a free to MK Dons ? Bloody hell, we’ve missed a trick there ! 😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
We definitely need another left back. As solid as Taylor was in the run in, he can't cross a ball to save his life. It wouldn't shock me if he brought in Rico Henry. Smith is a big fan. He's picks up a few too many knocks mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 15, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
Agree Clampy. We need need at least 2 quality players in every position though. Big challenge ahead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 15, 2019, 10:37:52 AM
No one has said experience is bad, it's the idea that Premier League experience on it's own is important that some people disagree with. Last time we were in the PL it was the players with PL experience that let the club down.

Nobody said that's all we need either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richie on June 15, 2019, 11:10:36 AM
I think the right back position needs strengthening as well. Let’s face it, this kid was signed from France when we looked nailed on for another season in the Championship. We don’t even know if the club think he is Premiership quality, let alone us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 15, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
I still think Etheridge is more likely than Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2019, 12:00:42 PM
Do we have any suitors for the seventeen or so goalkeepers we already have?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2019, 12:23:50 PM
Philips is a top player . worth more than 14 million . He will be a top 4 player in a few years . We should do everything to get him.

You could bring Cahill and Drinkwater for example into the squad for experience but most fans dont want to go down this route so they are either going to be young or foreign .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 12:26:23 PM
Do we have any suitors for the seventeen or so goalkeepers we already have?

17? We let Bunn go. Nyland is coming off a serious injury. Sarkic is very young. Right now we have 1 fit legitimate first team GK. One of Nyland or Kalinic will leave if we get a new keeper in leaving us with 3 first team keepers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
oh and Rangers RB Tavierner I would like . 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 15, 2019, 12:38:29 PM
Philips is a top player . worth more than 14 million . He will be a top 4 player in a few years . We should do everything to get him.

You could bring Cahill and Drinkwater for example into the squad for experience but most fans dont want to go down this route so they are either going to be young or foreign .

Totally agree JP. He is quality and fits the new "model" perfectly. 23-energy-quality and exactly what we need in front of our defence to allow JG & co to stay up top. 18m would do it …….
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 15, 2019, 01:30:45 PM
It's easy to get excited and a bit carried away but I'm trying to hold back on that a little.  We don't know if any of our new or current players will really cut the mustard at PL level, except maybe Jack and Mings.   All we know is most have been more than decent in the Championship, Ligue 1 or the Belgian league.  The PL is a fairly big step up from all of those.  The odds are that they won't all be able to hack it, although hopefully most will.  Wesley may be another Benteke or another Helenius.  We won't know until the season starts.   So I also think we could do with a few that have proven themselves at that level, just as long as we avoid ageing, fragile, walking attitude problems like Lescott and Richards.  For example we've been linked with Dunk and Butland - both seem a decent age, character and ability level, both are proven at that level.   A few like that would help I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 15, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
You could bring Cahill and Drinkwater for example into the squad for experience but most fans dont want to go down this route so they are either going to be young or foreign .
I'd hope that what the fans want doesn't come into it when the club makes a signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 02:32:06 PM
No ta to both. Cahill now past it and on a huge contract. I want someone quick and nimble on the right to accompany Mings. Drinkwater has wasted 2 years on the Chelsea bench. He's not past it but another who will be on a very rich deal plus 15-20m at least to buy him. If the overall deal was right then maybe but overall we can find better for a lot less.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on June 15, 2019, 02:34:53 PM
Cahill is one I hope we make an exception for in terms of age profile but imagine he’s on a crazy salary.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
To provide cover, fine. As a first choice, nah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2019, 02:54:59 PM
How old is Drinkwater?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2019, 03:16:07 PM
How old is Drinkwater?

29 and reportedly on £100k a week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
I wouldn't be keen. He could have been all-time great for Leicester and chose to give that up to go and sit on Chelsea's bench, for a massive pay increase. Plus he seems like a twat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
How old is Drinkwater?

29 and reportedly on £100k a week.

Thanks mate.  Clearly doesn't fit the profile for Dean then in that case. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 15, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu


Smith and Purslow have said that developing other club's players for them is a thing of the past now so I would be very surprised if there was anything in this. Put it down to lazy journalism with the John Terry connection.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu


Smith and Purslow have said that developing other club's players for them is a thing of the past now so I would be very surprised if there was anything in this. Put it down to lazy journalism with the John Terry connection.

Agreed. They were very adamant about that. Mind you the option to buy if there was one written in might change that versus Axel and Tammy just going back. If we had a clause in their for both players my guess is they would be with us this season on permanent deals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 15, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
How old is Drinkwater?

29 and reportedly on £100k a week.

Thanks mate.  Clearly doesn't fit the profile for Dean then in that case. 

Drink driving twat too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on June 15, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu
Worst fact ever...
His Dad Kwame Ampadu's home phone number was in the BT phone book back in the eighties.

Told you it was bad!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2019, 03:51:56 PM
You could bring Cahill and Drinkwater for example into the squad for experience but most fans dont want to go down this route so they are either going to be young or foreign .
I'd hope that what the fans want doesn't come into it when the club makes a signing.

I could have put fans/owner/manager     but it wouldnt hurt to get a cahill in or a drinkwater type in the squad . ok , the wages wouldnt be cheap but no fee with cahill and both prem winners and experience wouldnt hurt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
No ta to both. Cahill now past it and on a huge contract. I want someone quick and nimble on the right to accompany Mings. Drinkwater has wasted 2 years on the Chelsea bench. He's not past it but another who will be on a very rich deal plus 15-20m at least to buy him. If the overall deal was right then maybe but overall we can find better for a lot less.

cant see us getting Mings and Dunk to be honest ( 45 mill for both ?)  but Id be happy with Mings and Cahill for a season , we need some experience in there .    Got to get the balance right as depeche mode once .        Drinkwater was brilliant for Leicester , no saying hes the answer but Philips and an experience CM would be great now both whelan and Jedi have gone . 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2019, 04:02:44 PM
I wouldn't be keen. He could have been all-time great for Leicester and chose to give that up to go and sit on Chelsea's bench, for a massive pay increase. Plus he seems like a twat.

Yes that’d be my assessment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on June 15, 2019, 06:06:11 PM
I wouldn't be keen. He could have been all-time great for Leicester and chose to give that up to go and sit on Chelsea's bench, for a massive pay increase. Plus he seems like a twat.

He didn't even get to sit on the bench much, not bad if you can get that wage and not having to work much for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu


Stuart James doesn't normally publish unless there's something in it. Which isn't to say it'll happen, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2019, 07:07:18 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu


Stuart James doesn't normally publish unless there's something in it. Which isn't to say it'll happen, obviously.

Unlikely to be a loan to buy,  I believe we are moving away from straight loan deals. Seems a useful player and if they pay his wages why not? (Which I’m sure they won’t) Otherwise let’s go get our own next young star.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on June 15, 2019, 07:25:28 PM
I wouldn't be keen. He could have been all-time great for Leicester and chose to give that up to go and sit on Chelsea's bench, for a massive pay increase. Plus he seems like a twat.

Talking of Leicester...how about bringing back Mark Albrighton? I don't think he would command a big fee and we need a decent winger. Bags of premier league experience and I'm sure he would love to be part of Dean Smith's set up now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 15, 2019, 08:40:10 PM
Cahill is one I hope we make an exception for in terms of age profile but imagine he’s on a crazy salary.
Cahill is out of contract, so whatever he was on at Chelsea is probably irrelevant & I doubt anyone going to pay him the same?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2019, 08:43:08 PM
Sidwell was interview recently and said when he moved here in 2008 he took a big pay cut to join us. Think he was in 50k range here.

Would imagine Cahill would be on 100k at Chelsea given he was there seven years.

I wonder what we'd pay Mings if he signs full time. Bournemouth signed him for 12m didn't they so that usually gets you a decent wedge and his agent will certainly know his value to us in the run in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2019, 09:20:59 PM
Cahill is one I hope we make an exception for in terms of age profile but imagine he’s on a crazy salary.
Cahill is out of contract, so whatever he was on at Chelsea is probably irrelevant & I doubt anyone going to pay him the same?

Indeed, it's totally irrelevant.

He's 34 in December. He is not going to be getting massive money anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
When you consider what Appleyard was paid aged 37 in division 2 then I wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2019, 09:32:56 PM
Loan of Ampadu from Chelsea, anyone?
Being reported here.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/15/aston-villa-target-loan-move-chelsea-defender-ethan-ampadu


Stuart James doesn't normally publish unless there's something in it. Which isn't to say it'll happen, obviously.

Unlikely to be a loan to buy,  I believe we are moving away from straight loan deals. Seems a useful player and if they pay his wages why not? (Which I’m sure they won’t) Otherwise let’s go get our own next young star.

Seen him play for Wales quite a few times now and he looks a real talent, though is still young.  More of a defensive midfielder than a defender now as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2019, 11:12:11 PM
I'd take Ampadu as a second holding midfield option on loan. Worst happens he is brilliant and goes back, but we have stayed up. We need so many players to make up the squad, we can't be sniffy about using our 2 loan spots IMO this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2019, 11:34:44 PM
I'd take Ampadu as a second holding midfield option on loan. Worst happens he is brilliant and goes back, but we have stayed up.

Surely worst happens is that he's rubbish and contributes to our embarrassing relegation? (Winky face)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2019, 11:48:51 PM
I'd take Ampadu as a second holding midfield option on loan. Worst happens he is brilliant and goes back, but we have stayed up.

Surely worst happens is that he's rubbish and contributes to our embarrassing relegation? (Winky face)

I was trying to avoid that thought!

But yes. Whatever happens I think we need 2 very decent holding midfielders this summer, it is such an important position in the premier league. Same goes for the 2 full backs. Hopefully Gilbert will be good enough at right back, and Elmo is a decent backup first season back. Left side we are bereft of quality but Taylor playing how he did for Smith I think is enough for backup to a better starter. When you then think we need another winger, attacking midfielder, 2 centre halves and potentially a keeper. A couple of them may have to be loans. Ampadu and Tuanzebe as loans would be decent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 12:05:50 AM
The fun thing is we will probably sign a player or two almost every week now. If you believe what you read, dangerous as it is then Butland, Hause are done or close. Mings will be. We’re in for Phillips and Benrahma. Who knows who else but I imagine there are a load of irons in the fire and in likelihood most if not all are not even on the radar.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2019, 12:48:50 AM
I think we’ll need another striker too. I think Kodjia will go and can’t depend on Davis as the only back-up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2019, 12:59:08 AM
I think we’ll need another striker too. I think Kodjia will go and can’t depend on Davis as the only back-up.

Hogan and the Russian say hello!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 01:43:47 AM
Hogan will be gone and the Russian gets injured every time he puts on a Villa kit. For that matter Davis isn’t much better when it comes to injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on June 16, 2019, 02:24:26 AM
Looking at the mildly horrifying line-up from our last PL game, Hepburn-Murphy was on the bench then and now after three years in the Championship he’s still not been able to buy a game so you have to wonder if he’s going to cut it. Should have been loaned out sooner in his career.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2019, 07:47:47 AM
From the little bits I've seen of Hepburn-Murphy, I wouldn't be surprised if he developed into a wide forward. It's just a question of how good he's going to be. Same question can be asked of Green, whether he's good enough to be a regular in a Premier League side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 16, 2019, 08:01:44 AM
From the little bits I've seen of Hepburn-Murphy, I wouldn't be surprised if he developed into a wide forward. It's just a question of how good he's going to be. Same question can be asked of Green, whether he's good enough to be a regular in a Premier League side.
I think we know the answer, right now: neither are good enough for a start in a PL side; both still have the potential to be PL starters ... but their time is running out to realise that potential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 16, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
I'd take Ampadu as a second holding midfield option on loan. Worst happens he is brilliant and goes back, but we have stayed up. We need so many players to make up the squad, we can't be sniffy about using our 2 loan spots IMO this season.
My theory on this is that Ampadu is a contingency plan. We've got several holding midfielders lined up, but seeing as there's nobody actually at the club who can play in that position naturally, it's sensible to also plan for the worst.

Either that or its loan-to-buy, but I'm not sure that'd be on the table for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on June 16, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
Green just about cut it in the championship. Never a PL player in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 16, 2019, 08:41:29 AM
West Ham seem to be splashing the cash.  Tied up Fornals and have had a bid for Gomez accepted, both who have been rumoured for us.  Not that I am bothered they have gone there as I had never heard of either of them until this week!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 16, 2019, 08:46:31 AM
From the little bits I've seen of Hepburn-Murphy, I wouldn't be surprised if he developed into a wide forward. It's just a question of how good he's going to be. Same question can be asked of Green, whether he's good enough to be a regular in a Premier League side.

My lad says he’s brilliant on fifa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 16, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
Is it a pre requisite for the holding midfield role to have an appalling haircut?

Phillips and Ampadu ??????
Who else we rumoured to be looking at Sideshow Bob   lol
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2019, 09:33:15 AM
Given our Spanish connections, I will be very surprised if we don't bring in at least one player from the Spanish league's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2019, 09:41:21 AM
Yes, I think we'll get at least Juan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 16, 2019, 09:43:15 AM
VILLA. Mad keen on Benrahma at BRENTFORD. But asking price is 20m. That wont happen at the price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2019, 10:30:13 AM
Yes, I think we'll get at least Juan.

Like!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 16, 2019, 10:41:53 AM
I know it’s paper talk but some of the figures getting bandied around would be outrageous if we got halfway near them.

20m for a player who’s only got a record in the championship would be mental. Grealish is the exception because he looks a level up every single game and he’s only here out of club loyalty, both rare things.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 16, 2019, 10:47:11 AM
Is it a pre requisite for the holding midfield role to have an appalling haircut?

Phillips and Ampadu ??????
Who else we rumoured to be looking at Sideshow Bob   lol
Bob’s first touch is poor due to his unfeasibly large feet and he has a poor disciplinary record with a tendency towards attempted murder. Anyway , West Ham have already reportedly bid 40 mill for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 10:51:05 AM
Given our Spanish connections, I will be very surprised if we don't bring in at least one player from the Spanish league's.
Apparently there is only one player for sale in the La Liga and he is Gareth Bale. Not heard of anything else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
I'd take Bale, may as well bring James Rodriguez with him and split the taxi fare to the airport.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2019, 11:00:46 AM
Is it a pre requisite for the holding midfield role to have an appalling haircut?

Phillips and Ampadu ??????
Who else we rumoured to be looking at Sideshow Bob   lol

Yes David Luiz can play as DM aswell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 16, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Green just about cut it in the championship. Never a PL player in my opinion.

Fair comment. He is twenty one in a few weeks and if he didn't impress in the Championship it would be a surprise if he impressed in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
I agree about Green. Just my opinion but he won’t make it in the PL. He doesn’t have much pace and he simply won’t have the time and space at the higher level. He didn’t exactly stand out in the Championship. That said he’s young, he’s got a super attitude and he should be given a chance to prove himself and improve with better players around him. Maybe we will find he’s not truly a winger and can play inside. I have my doubts but good luck to him. I just think at some point he will be moved on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
If he has any chance then I think it'd be as a striker. He's a decent finisher. He doesn't have the tricks to play wide at a decent level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
I have never seen anything in Green that made me think he could make it as a top level player however with good coaching he could be another Marc Albrighton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2019, 02:45:47 PM
He lacks belief, you can see that when he's one-on-one with a full back and instead of driving at him towards the box (like El Ghazi can do in form) he'd often check his run and just pass back. Happened loads in the Norwich game and obviously WBA second leg was far too big a pressure game.

Needs an arm round the shoulder on the training ground and plenty of encouragement. I think he'll get chances next season as Dean still showed faith in putting him on last 15 minutes of play off final when Kodjia could've come on instead to see the game out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 16, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
I don't think he'll make it.  He offered next to nothing in the Championship.  No flair, no final ball, poor decision making, lack of confidence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
He doesn’t have the pace or acceleration to generate self belief. Full backs in the PL wouldn’t be challenged because for the most part they are all quick and have better positional sense. It’s not only confidence but ability. AEG not only has pace but he has tricks and confidence to employ both. Defenders hate that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
Maupay speaking to Sevilla according to L'Equipe. I hope they know that Brentford is not a good place to pick up players!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 16, 2019, 02:55:31 PM
Unfortunately I don’t think Green will make the grade at PL level either, so both the club and player will have a decision to make on his future. If we don’t sign another winner then he’ll probably remain as part of the squad but he could do with going out on loan to a Championship club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2019, 02:56:43 PM
Maupay speaking to Sevilla according to L'Equipe. I hope they know that Brentford is not a good place to pick up players!

They should really broaden their search.

Seriously though, a young French talent going from Brentford to Sevilla for 20m+ might be peak Modern Football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
He doesn’t have the pace or acceleration to generate self belief. Full backs in the PL wouldn’t be challenged because for the most part they are all quick and have better positional sense. It’s not only confidence but ability. AEG not only has pace but he has tricks and confidence to employ both. Defenders hate that.

The goal he scored v Norwich in early 17-18 was superb finish and pretty sure he got away from the defender easily. He's had bad hamstring injuries since.

My guess is he'll get a few games for us up to xmas, look out of his depth and then will be loaned out in January with option of permanent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2019, 03:10:44 PM
Maupay speaking to Sevilla according to L'Equipe. I hope they know that Brentford is not a good place to pick up players!

They should really broaden their search.

Seriously though, a young French talent going from Brentford to Sevilla for 20m+ might be peak Modern Football.

It's steep, but he's really quite good, and plays in an expensive position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 03:11:02 PM
He doesn’t have the pace or acceleration to generate self belief. Full backs in the PL wouldn’t be challenged because for the most part they are all quick and have better positional sense. It’s not only confidence but ability. AEG not only has pace but he has tricks and confidence to employ both. Defenders hate that.

The goal he scored v Norwich in early 17-18 was superb finish and pretty sure he got away from the defender easily. He's had bad hamstring injuries since.

My guess is he'll get a few games for us up to xmas, look out of his depth and then will be loaned out in January with option of permanent.

He didn't have to get away from anyone for that goal. He received it in loads of space, defender backing off and the finish was definitely outstanding. But if he had to take the defender on it would have been different. I agree with your final statement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
I would loan Green and Rushian out to attack-minded Championship teams where they will get chances to prove their mettle. Both to Brentford as makeweights for all the Brentford lads we want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 16, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
£20m for Benrahma. I like him a lot.

Double the assists and goals of Daniel James, so I dont think it's way over the top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
£20m for Benrahma. I like him a lot.

Double the assists and goals of Daniel James, so I dont think it's way over the top.

I reckon we'll get him and the deal will be something less than that but working up to it based on achievement by player and club. But he's certainly a dynamic player. I would hope given the types of player Brentford did bring in Smith/Suso are able to find those gems vs buying them at a premium. Prior to Brentford he hadn't done a lot so would have been quite cheap and he's really blossomed there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 16, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
Hyptiehtically, the front 3 would be El Ghazi, Our Wes and Benrahma. A lot of pace out wide and what appears to be an awkward customer who likes to drop deep. I think, given a pre-season, we will see more evolution of Smith Ball than was possible last term, so I expect us to be pretty fluid up top.

My main worries are the strength in depth. We're going to have to be lucky with injuries next season. Kodjia, Davis, RHM, Green and Jota as the depth. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2019, 04:24:28 PM
There's still an outside chance that Kodja might yet prove useful with a preseason under Smith behind him, but it is an outside chance for sure. Jota could go either way of course but I suspect he'll be reliably tidy at worst. The others? Very very unconvincing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2019, 04:28:01 PM
Another striker will come in. Still think Davis will get a few games aswell so would keep him around up to xmas to see how he adapts.

When we signed Benteke we still had Gabby and Bent in the squad who (at the time) were established and reliable 10-15 goal a season premier league strikers so that gives an idea of depth we need even if we play just one upfront.

Kodjia wasn't used much in the run in so get the feeling we'll cash in if a French club wants him, 1 year left on his deal and coming up to 30.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 16, 2019, 04:28:33 PM
There's still an outside chance that Kodja might yet prove useful with a preseason under Smith behind him, but it is an outside chance for sure. Jota could go either way of course but I suspect he'll be reliably tidy at worst. The others? Very very unconvincing.
Kodjia looks like injuries have taken their toll on him and what he's lost isn't coming back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
There's still an outside chance that Kodja might yet prove useful with a preseason under Smith behind him, but it is an outside chance for sure. Jota could go either way of course but I suspect he'll be reliably tidy at worst. The others? Very very unconvincing.
Kodjia looks like injuries have taken their toll on him and what he's lost isn't coming back.

Yep, agree, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Kodjia also seems a little bonkers too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
There's still an outside chance that Kodja might yet prove useful with a preseason under Smith behind him, but it is an outside chance for sure. Jota could go either way of course but I suspect he'll be reliably tidy at worst. The others? Very very unconvincing.
Kodjia looks like injuries have taken their toll on him and what he's lost isn't coming back.

Yep, agree, unfortunately.

Like I say, probably. But who knows - players have adjusted before and found a way to become, if not their old selves, something still useful. I wouldn't bet on it though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2019, 07:26:42 PM
I'd want to see how Kodjia looks during pre-season before making a call either way but if he looks interested then he's a useful option out wide for me. I think Jota will be fine and I want Davis to get a chance.

Green and RHM are still all potential and really need to step up this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 16, 2019, 07:53:55 PM
Maybe, finally becoming a premier league player will focus Kodjia’s mind.
It’s more than likely the only chance he’ll get.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 16, 2019, 07:59:12 PM
I have never seen anything in Green that made me think he could make it as a top level player however with good coaching he could be another Marc Albrighton.

Albrighton was a far better player. Green has never shown any of the promise of Marc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: achilles on June 16, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
Don't think RHM will make it, certainly not at PL level or championship level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on June 16, 2019, 08:38:45 PM
Albrighton's delivery is streets ahead of Green, but Andre should be afforded the opportunity to develop and contribute in the PL before we discard him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2019, 08:46:44 PM
I'd like to see Green develop in the Championship, send him on loan. A full season of first team football at that level should give some indication of whether he is likely to be good enough. If he isn't, the exposure would be enough to ensure that, at least, we get a fee for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 16, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
I think Andre would benefit from a loan to one of the top Championship clubs. I agree he doesn't look good enough at the moment but I just have a sneaking feeling we could regret selling him. I know a little bit about him personally and he strikes me as slightly immature and lacking in confidence. He's a massive, life long Villa fan and I think a Deano/Jack arm round the shoulder and some time playing at that level (don't forget he was at Portsmouth last season before coming straight into our first team) would be a great opportunity for him to show us whether he is capable of it. I think he will have learnt and matured a lot after this spell with Villa and the summer off will be when he processes and learns from it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on June 16, 2019, 09:14:42 PM
Don't think RHM will make it, certainly not at PL level or championship level.

I agree..... never seen anything in him on his brief excursions and apparently never delivered when out on loan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
I'd like to see Green develop in the Championship, send him on loan. A full season of first team football at that level should give some indication of whether he is likely to be good enough. If he isn't, the exposure would be enough to ensure that, at least, we get a fee for him.


He's only got a year left on his current deal, so wouldn't we have to offer him a new one now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2019, 09:47:32 PM
In the few games RHM had for Cambridge United before he got injured they accumulated enough points to avoid relegation.  He was very popular with the Cambridge fans.  His big problem is not lack of ability it is his proneness to injury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
In the few games RHM had for Cambridge United before he got injured they accumulated enough points to avoid relegation.  He was very popular with the Cambridge fans.  His big problem is not lack of ability it is his proneness to injury.

As a fellow U's native, I feel compelled to make the point that success at the Abbey says nothing about doing well in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2019, 09:58:31 PM
I'd like to see Green develop in the Championship, send him on loan. A full season of first team football at that level should give some indication of whether he is likely to be good enough. If he isn't, the exposure would be enough to ensure that, at least, we get a fee for him.


He's only got a year left on his current deal, so wouldn't we have to offer him a new one now?

Yeah, we should be doing that I reckon. No point letting him leave at the end of his contract for a negligible fee (as he is comfortably under-24 we would still be entitled to some compensation but it wouldn't be a fat lot).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 16, 2019, 10:31:16 PM
Green is still young with a lot of potential. Let DS and the coaching staff work on his delivery and decision making. No point writing him off so early.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2019, 10:43:13 PM
Charlie Austin still being linked, albeit through the clickbaits.  The fee is said to be £4m.  That wouldn't be a bad deal for that type of money to be fair. Doesn't really fit the profile but for that type of money, it wouldn't really matter too much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 16, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
Charlie Austin still being linked, albeit through the clickbaits.  The fee is said to be £4m.  That wouldn't be a bad deal for that type of money to be fair. Doesn't really fit the profile but for that type of money, it wouldn't really matter too much.

Well we certainly need another striker as Kodjia, Hogan & Davis are not up to scratch.  Austin at £4 million would be a better option from the bench.  I had wondered whether we might go after Gayle as a back up striker but he'd cost a lot more than £4 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 16, 2019, 11:09:19 PM
I think Rodriguez for 5m would be a better shout. 22 goals with prem experience. Again does not fit the profile. But considering the price and how many other players we need to buy. Would be a solid acquisition …. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard on June 16, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
Austin and Gayle both turn 30 this year it's a no from me. Still think we will go for Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2019, 11:13:59 PM
Maupay might not go for us if has an offer from Sevilla.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2019, 11:20:31 PM
We need a great goalkeeper, worth as many points as a striker, a strong defence, a brutal defensive midfielder, somebody like Philips, just to stay in the league. First season back, our focus has to be grind out results, both home and away. Second season we can focus more on our more expansive football.

I can see us hitting the £100m spend this summer unless we can find overseas or the lower leagues some top quality that will hit the ground running.
It's a bloody tough job Deano is facing this summer, not that I'm sure he needs telling. So much will depend on the mentality of the players and attackers that can score with the only opportunity they're given.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 16, 2019, 11:24:14 PM
Maupay would be absolutely fantastic but could we fit both him and Wesley in the same starting 11?

I'm basing Astin/Gayle on being bench warmers.  We have so many other positions to fill that 2 £20million+ strikers may be a bridge too far in this window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2019, 11:25:42 PM
Two £20 million + strikers seems fine to me. We've loads of money. Who cares?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2019, 11:25:54 PM
Maupay might not go for us if has an offer from Sevilla.

Surely we can offer better wages, just not the European football, yet!  Didn't he also say that he would like to play for Dean Smith again?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 16, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Maupay might not go for us if has an offer from Sevilla.

Surely we can offer better wages, just not the European football, yet!  Didn't he also say that he would like to play for Dean Smith again?

I think he also said that his preference is the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 16, 2019, 11:45:54 PM
Austin and Gayle both turn 30 this year it's a no from me. Still think we will go for Maupay.

Austin's injury record is not great, so I would be very sceptical about him.  I think Gayle or someone like him would be a decent enough short-term signing to be honest and would provide back up to Wesley. 

Although he is 30 this year, Gayle's value shouldn't diminish too much in the couple of years we would hopefully only need them for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
Maupay might not go for us if has an offer from Sevilla.

Surely we can offer better wages, just not the European football, yet!  Didn't he also say that he would like to play for Dean Smith again?

I think he also said that his preference is the PL.

Taking off the C&B specs, I can see why Seville on £2.9m per year trumps, say, Newcastle on £3.4m per year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 17, 2019, 12:40:48 AM
Maupay might not go for us if has an offer from Sevilla.

Surely we can offer better wages, just not the European football, yet!  Didn't he also say that he would like to play for Dean Smith again?

I think he also said that his preference is the PL.

Taking off the C&B specs, I can see why Seville on £2.9m per year trumps, say, Newcastle on £3.4m per year.

I'd put them back on if I were you.  IF his preference is the Pl then it's not beyond the realms of probability to assume that IF a PL club came in for him, he would likely prefer that option.  He's 22, not 32.  He'll have plenty of time for the sun later on in life.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2019, 09:36:07 AM
Nevertheless it is rather nice to be competing with clubs like Sevilla on transfers.

Speaking of Spain I wonder if it might be worth trying to loan Martin Odegaard from Real. Did well at Vitesse according to a video I just watched and I think that's all the scouting report needed, frankly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2019, 11:04:40 AM
Hause deal done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2019, 11:21:14 AM

Our Hause .. welcome again and a great price

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 17, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
Good news that Our Hause is now ours. Welcome back!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 17, 2019, 11:31:17 AM
A fit Charlie Austin can be a handful for most Premier League defenders...but the 2 very big caveats are that he is actually fit and given the right kind of service. He could be worth a punt but unfortunately his injury record does make him a risk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2019, 11:32:07 AM
I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 17, 2019, 11:34:02 AM
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 17, 2019, 11:49:21 AM
I hope our days of picking up players on their final paycheque are gone - too risky for Austin for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 17, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Charlie Austin's record in the PL is nowhere near good enough to take a punt on a player who'll definitely have no resale value worth speaking of. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 17, 2019, 12:47:24 PM
Charlie Austin is gash.  I really hope there is no truth in the rumours..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 17, 2019, 12:48:34 PM
Charlie Austin. Oh do fuck off.......
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
Rodriguez not Austin, for me. Where's the poll to register my vote?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 17, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Charlie Austin?

It's another fuck off from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2019, 01:10:37 PM
Rodriguez not Austin, for me. Where's the poll to register my vote?

Yeah James for me as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2019, 01:17:27 PM
Rodriguez not Austin, for me. Where's the poll to register my vote?
No thanks to both and we won’t sign either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 17, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
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I hope our days of picking up players on their final paycheque are gone - too risky for Austin for me.

Although I could see the logic in looking to bring in someone like him, I agree that it would be too risky.  He would want the security of a fairly long contract and we would end up stuck with him if he suffered further injury problems. 

We would be much better off looking at someone younger and who is likely to retain some resale value even if things were to go awry.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 17, 2019, 02:53:54 PM
I've just seen Grant Holt at One Stop.  Well i think it was...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2019, 03:05:30 PM
Tough luck on you lot; I've got a day off today. Hey ho.

The real insight into ‘who comes in next?’ can only come from the management team but that doesn’t stop us from trying to work out what direction Smith will go in to start our PL campaign. I say ‘Start’ because course adjustments are made after a while and the January transfer window will undoubtedly be used to address the most pressing issues or best opportunities for additions at that time.

So ‘Who comes in between now and August?’ is a question we can answer if we have a good handle on the formation and tactics Smith will use between now and December and therefore what players we are short of at this moment. And I think we have been given a big steer on that.

Tactics

We’ve been told already, we’ve been told many times; we should know it by now. Smith wants to attack our way to survival and growth rather than edge towards it. Not ‘attack at all costs’ nevertheless ‘attack’ as the best form of defence; attack and pressing as the way to not just scrape the odd draw or snatch the odd points but as the way to win games and get 3 points. He’s not aiming for 17th position but 12th.

No-one should be in any doubt about what that means; we will be looking to buy speed and skills for the PL. Physical speed and speed of thought, physical skills of ball-control, passing and shooting alongside tactical awareness and thinking on-your-feet to make a difference in the game. We’ll be buying modern era players who respond to latest coaching advances. The eagerness and willingness to improve will be as important as the current skill set. The ability to be coached in the style of play he wants to see us play will be as valuable as what they’ve done to date.

Formation

For any particular game Smith has shown himself to be able to play a nuanced tune with the players at his disposal rather than rigidly demand those players do exactly and only what he envisages.  He sets them some stretch targets or particular things to work on, all of which will add to his footballing ‘vision’ of the future, but he’s not so dogmatic as to ditch the adequate in favour of the perfect. They are the vehicle of their own careers but he lets them know what he wants, in terms they can relate to.

His analysis of each team, each player we face and their likely formation and tactics form the working days leading up to each game and therefore the flavour of what instructions each player will receive. But all of that fits into an over-arching fluid picture of how he wants his own players, his own tactics and his own formation to improve over the medium and longer term.

That tells us clearly that he is an experienced manager, willing to adapt to the immediate goal but pursuing a longer-term notion of how to play successful football. It’s a process of improvement, a journey of incremental steps upwards, rather than a recipe of ingredients to be bought pre-packed and ready to mix in a bowl. A team is composed of far too many elements and facets to be simplified; it’s a human thing, a vibrant thing not a static flat pack of parts to be assembled. The blood and guts, farts and sinews, terrible jokes and banter are as important sometimes as the height and ball-control factors. They deliver outcomes above and beyond those originally intended; they deliver greatness and great teams not just results.

So we’ll start from a place not too far away from where we left off last season; 4-1-4-1 with increasing options to go towards his end-game of 4-3-3 used more often. Home or away will influence this as will top-6, middle-6 or bottom-7 opponent along with the specifics of who’s injured, who’s in form or out and what’s coming up next but by and large it will be 4-1-4-1 leading to 4-3-3 whenever possible.

Which tells us pretty clearly who we’ll be buying next, doesn’t it?

1.   Centre back;

Surely we’ll get Mings in before the middle of August? It’s very likely and he’ll be very welcome. Alongside Hause I would have few worries apart from backup for injuries, international selection and depth so Chester as an occasional slot-in on the right-hand side, Guilbert as an occasional option there as well would mean we only need one further ready-to-go centre back.

Options; Cahill, Williams, Dunk, Tomori, Barbet, Kane, Suliman.
The first 2 would not fit the mould we need now and would probably be too expensive. The next one is too expensive as well IMO but I’d take either of those next 2, with Barbet being considerably less expensive. And the final 2 only if no other options present themselves in the next month and we want some sort of security in that position.

I have no doubt this area of our team will be fit for purpose by the start of the season. None at all. The timing may not be as soon as we all want but it will happen. Surely …

2.   Right-sided attacker

Here’s the point I want to make about the ‘wingers’ on either side in either formation; I think Smith may be taking a leaf out of Klopps book and trying to build a system in which they are not ONLY wingers supplying assists from wide areas but are goal-scoring attackers in their own right. El Ghazi is, Benrhama is, Kent is, Lolley is; all might be at PL level. He may be looking for these players to contribute 10 goals a season each plus assists alongside a big, strong, fast, hold-up playing centre forward who scores 12 to 15 and in front of the midfield 3 who chip in with 6 apiece. A genuine goal threat from the front 6 players throughout the game from open play and set pieces. Up to 50 goals across a season before the bunce of defensive set piece headers from corners or unlikely worldies from outside the box by the full backs add a further 10.
This moneyball approach prioritises goals and wins over other metrics.

That’s the most missing piece of this puzzle so far; a right-sided attacker who fits that mould. So that’s what I’d expect he’s working on as a priority right now.

However there are a couple of thoughts to be had here. Don’t forget El Ghazi is right-footed and could easily fulfill this role rather than coming infield off the left wing. Which means a left-sided attacker opportunity might not be out of the question. And to all those who immediately shout ‘We bought Jota for that right winger role!’ I’d caution you to think again; he was pretty ineffectual in that role for the Scum so why would we repeat that mistake? He’s a creative inside forward/attacking midfielder, let’s use him that way because I’m sure Smith won’t be under any such illusion. 

Seen in this light a cheeky offer to bring Bale back from his gilded Spanish torture by some financial shenanigans like Wolves played 2 years ago would make a whole lot of sense, wouldn’t it? And we’d score a bucket-full of goals to keep us up and push us to the middle of the table. Let’s be audacious!

3.   Squad improvement

All of the rest come under the general description above; goalkeeper, left back, defensive midfield. We COULD go into the season having added only Mings plus another centre back as cover and a right-sided attacker from where we are now. It would not be as successful and it would be riskier but it would be cheaper and it would have a decent chance of staying up and not rocking the boat of team cohesion too much. It could work.

But Smith is aiming for middle of the table not survival so he might want to upgrade at defensive midfield first. Hourihane and Tshibola are not good enough week-in and week out at any destination and opponent. So of course I can see why we’re linked to Phillips of Leeds. But he may be too expensive and a wrench to leave his home club; he’s their Jack so don’t expect an easy or inexpensive ride trying to winkle him out of there in shape to perform for us in the PL.

I’d take Delph if the price were right despite the boo-boys immediate reaction. Emotion has its place but he would be a great fit for our needs for the next 3 years and is an excellent player. Get over it, is my advice if he comes here and by the small pieces of press he has put out trying to set the record straight he might not be averse to coming back.

If we buy Butland and offload Kalinic to defray the cost I’d be happy with that but it’s not a necessity just a nice-to-have. I’ll go with whatever Smith decides and we can make happen at the right price. But the cost including wages must be palatable not cause indigestion. 

Left back? Not seen one yet in our bracket I’m afraid. James is reportedly going to Leicester. Sessignon would be great but is over-priced and heading to Pocchetino if we can believe anything. Targett is not a great step-up from Taylor just younger; so what? For £10m? Nah. Bring in a younger European star-in-waiting for a fraction of that, please or we’ll just use Hause or Barbet as cover.

Finally strikers. We all know we need at least 3 options here and most think that Wesley and Kodjia are the only real ones we have so far. Davis is a possibility and I’d like to keep him around to learn this season with some real games as well but nobody rates Hogan for the PL. This is the most expensive area of the park to buy in so what are the options?

Maupay. Would love him but we may need to trade Hogan for Benrhama and we’d therefore end up paying £20m+ for Maupay; a risk in football and monetary terms. One Smith might be willing to take but it’s going to be damn difficult to gut their team without it costing us an awful lot of money. Frankly I’d swap Hogan AND Kodjia plus a wad of cash for Maupay and Benrhama so let’s see what can be achieved.

Rodriquez from West Brom for £5m, Austin from Soton for £4m. No-brainer here; Rodriguez for me. If we go down this route of an experienced PL player as backup then Austin is far worse an option than Rodriguez. And it would annoy the stripy filth so what’s not to like?

But at least Wesley, Kodjia and Rodriquez with Davis in the wings is fine to start with if that’s where we end up.

So. Timing is never possible to predict with any accuracy, just ask economic forecasters, but the next buys will include Mings, Barbet or player-to-be-named-later centre back cover, right-sided attacker from the list above (or if you want an outside punt, Bale using financial chicanery, my personal preference). Then the ‘also-possibles’ will include Butland (with Kalinic going), European left back prodigy, defensive midfielder upgrade and Rodriquez on the cheap, at least. Possible to see a Maupay and Benrhama deal with Kodjia and Hogan going the other way. But what other strikers could come in?

Then we can concentrate on a couple of interesting loans who might come in … but we’ll be set for a great and successful season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
I've just had some cake.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
I've just had some cake.

I might go for a dump in a minute.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2019, 03:13:29 PM
One Stop, you say Desmond?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2019, 03:33:45 PM
TMS is good today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 17, 2019, 03:49:01 PM
East of Eden - by quite some distance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2019, 03:49:31 PM
Blimey is there a summary or like others do I need a free 2 hour window?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2019, 03:49:53 PM
Another thesis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 17, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
Can’t wait for the film to come out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2019, 04:03:22 PM
Cheers Allan.  Look forward to your next instalment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on June 17, 2019, 04:16:08 PM
 Yes cheers Allan, they don't come along too often but well worth the time to read it.

Take no notice of the critics  ;D

We might go back in for Scott McKenna from Aberdeen perhaps.

Joe Lolley is not just a winger too IMO
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2019, 04:51:15 PM
Seen us linked with a Dutch central defender from Huddersfield today (Terrance Knogolo) for £18m which is what Huddersfield paid for him apparently.

Any good? I stopped watching the Premier League when we left it so no idea myself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 17, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
Seen us linked with a Dutch central defender from Huddersfield today (Terrance Knogolo) for £18m which is what Huddersfield paid for him apparently.

Any good? I stopped watching the Premier League when we left it so no idea myself.
Quick and can play a bit - looks ok actually.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 17, 2019, 05:47:27 PM
Yes cheers Allan, they don't come along too often but well worth the time to read it.

Take no notice of the critics  ;D

We might go back in for Scott McKenna from Aberdeen perhaps.

Joe Lolley is not just a winger too IMO
+1 from me, I enjoy reading them - the last one was pretty much on the money IMO. I'd taken it from what Purslow had said previously that we were probably targeting the 3 positions you'd mentioned plus a few irons in the fire to strengthen overall - buy them if the price is right, it's not a problem if it isn't.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2019, 05:50:08 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
Perhaps Allan could have a thread in which he can post these things? Clearly he works at them and people enjoy reading them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes

Part exchange?  Have they any talent?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 17, 2019, 06:11:56 PM
Perhaps Allan could have a thread in which he can post these things? Clearly he works at them and people enjoy reading them.

Could do with a synopsis for those that are meant to be working and just try to speed read before getting back to work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 17, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
Perhaps Allan could have a thread in which he can post these things? Clearly he works at them and people enjoy reading them.

The Allan Thread? Allan thread? Allan? ALLAN?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 17, 2019, 06:41:08 PM
Perhaps Allan could have a thread in which he can post these things? Clearly he works at them and people enjoy reading them.

Could do with a synopsis for those that are meant to be working and just try to speed read before getting back to work.

They were trialling something on the BBC website a few weeks ago where you read a simplified version of an article and then if you wanted it in long form with more detail, facts and figures you clicked on 'read in more depth'. Actually quite a good idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 17, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
Going back to Allan’s post, personally I think holding midfield is the key signing. We have absolutely no cover there and I really think that position is make of break in the PL in a way it isn’t in the championship. Although even then we saw the difference an in-form Whelan made when it came to the ability of grealish and SJM to hurt teams further up the pitch.

I know such players are very expensive but if we spend big money on a defensive/continuity player we have a lot more flexibility to move players around in front of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
Going back to Allan’s post, personally I think holding midfield is the key signing. We have absolutely no cover there and I really think that position is make of break in the PL in a way it isn’t in the championship. Although even then we saw the difference an in-form Whelan made when it came to the ability of grealish and SJM to hurt teams further up the pitch.

I know such players are very expensive but if we spend big money on a defensive/continuity player we have a lot more flexibility to move players around in front of them.

Agreed. We currently have nobody who can play that role (effectively), and I suspect that DS will want two of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2019, 07:10:56 PM
Allan, if - as you say - the focus is on a team that can score its way out of trouble, the key position is left back. All the better attacking Premier League sides have very strong and quick full backs and - assuming Guilbert is to that spec - we need to focus on the left-sided equivalent.
Then, the central holding MF is key.
Finally, yes: more depth up front. I reckon Kodjia will ‘do one’, back to France, and so reinforcements are also priority here.

Question: is anyone from our youth set-up likely to get a run next season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2019, 07:46:19 PM
Allan, if - as you say - the focus is on a team that can score its way out of trouble, the key position is left back. All the better attacking Premier League sides have very strong and quick full backs and - assuming Guilbert is to that spec - we need to focus on the left-sided equivalent.
Then, the central holding MF is key.
Finally, yes: more depth up front. I reckon Kodjia will ‘do one’, back to France, and so reinforcements are also priority here.

Question: is anyone from our youth set-up likely to get a run next season?

Yep. A left back who can get forward and hurt teams is a must and then you get a DM who is effectively an extra centre back when teams counter-attack. This also relies on wingers who can come inside to create and score, AEG has shown he can do that role and it's what Jota did for Smith at Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2019, 07:51:26 PM
We have absolutely no cover there

Worse than that we have no first team player in that position now that Jedinak and Whelan have been let go. We need two players in that position now. If Phillips comes in with the lad from Chelsea who can cover there and central defence (preferably loan to buy deal though they don't look like wanting to sell) that would do nicely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2019, 07:58:16 PM
£15m bid for Maupay going in.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
£15m bid for Maupay going in.


That would be good business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on June 17, 2019, 08:14:01 PM
I know it’s early day, but are we going for mostly Championship players? Should we be aiming higher?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2019, 08:15:18 PM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2019, 08:20:50 PM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?

That would be great business for us. Hogan has been a disaster, and Maupy looks like he can step up a league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2019, 08:34:38 PM
they won't take Hogan back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 17, 2019, 08:40:48 PM
I wonder whether we're still after their winger too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 17, 2019, 08:52:19 PM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?

Sheffield United did well to refuse a obligation to buy if promoted clause.

Would imagine by now he's only got a year left on his deal so hopefully we'll unload him this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?

Sheffield United did well to refuse a obligation to buy if promoted clause.

Would imagine by now he's only got a year left on his deal so hopefully we'll unload him this summer.

4.5 year deal from Jan 2017
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mellin on June 17, 2019, 09:16:51 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Awesome.

Yep. Steve Bruce - like a few of our managers before him - simultaneously made some average footballers rich men, and at the same time ruined their careers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
they won't take Hogan back.

They would want £30m without Hogan and he aint worth that much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 17, 2019, 10:06:06 PM
Awesome.

Yep. Steve Bruce - like a few of our managers before him - simultaneously made some average footballers rich men, and at the same time ruined their careers.

Bit like a compensation package then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 17, 2019, 10:30:11 PM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?

Sheffield United did well to refuse a obligation to buy if promoted clause.

Would imagine by now he's only got a year left on his deal so hopefully we'll unload him this summer.

4.5 year deal from Jan 2017

Blimey two more years. O.k perhaps it will have to be a season long loan then? At least 4 years for guy who was about 25 when he signed for us makes more logical sense than giving McCormack 4 year deal when he was about to hit 30.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 17, 2019, 11:45:35 PM
I know it’s early day, but are we going for mostly Championship players? Should we be aiming higher?

No - we've signed Guilbert from France, Hause from Wolves, El Ghazi from a French team and Big Wes from Belgium. 0 Championship players signed so far.

In any case, I have no problem with doing an early-Spurs approach of buying the best youngish Championship players with a smattering of foreign signings - Butland and Phillips would fall into that category for sure, Maupay probably. The winger from Brentford whose name I can't spell, no idea as I haven't seen him play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2019, 11:58:30 PM
I know it’s early day, but are we going for mostly Championship players? Should we be aiming higher?

No - we've signed Guilbert from France, Hause from Wolves, El Ghazi from a French team and Big Wes from Belgium. 0 Championship players signed so far.

Jota.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 18, 2019, 12:36:28 AM
Just perusing some other football stuff. Came across these predictions for next season. Difficult to argue against any of the predictions, although my gut feeling is Wolves will struggle a bit next year. Could just be wishful thinking.

I will settle for 14th for Villa. And I hope Sheffield United do better.

1 - Manchester City
2 - Liverpool
3 - Tottenham
4 - Arsenal
5 - Manchester United
6 - Wolves
7 - Chelsea
8 - Leicester City
9 - Everton
10 - West Ham
11 - Watford
12 - Newcastle
13 - Bournemouth
14 - Aston Villa
15 - Crystal Palace
16 - Burnley
17 - Norwich City
18 - Southampton
19 - Brighton
20 - Sheffield United
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SirSteveUK on June 18, 2019, 01:21:37 AM
Understand Kalvin Phillips is doing a Jack Grealish with Leeds - giving them one more chance to go up with him....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 18, 2019, 07:06:28 AM
Rumour is also £15m plus a player. Hogan going back?

That would be great business for us. Hogan has been a disaster, and Maupy looks like he can step up a league.
they won't take Hogan back.

Kodja?
Although he may want to go back to France
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 18, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
Understand Kalvin Phillips is doing a Jack Grealish with Leeds - giving them one more chance to go up with him....

If that is the case fair play to him. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2019, 08:56:19 AM
Understand Kalvin Phillips is doing a Jack Grealish with Leeds - giving them one more chance to go up with him....

If that is the case fair play to him. 
Yep, disappointing for us but entirely understandable.  The question remains will Leeds be able to resist the money?  Also, if he did come would his heart be in it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
Surely better options on the continent than Phillips. Smith has a track record of finding gems.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
Understand Kalvin Phillips is doing a Jack Grealish with Leeds - giving them one more chance to go up with him....

If that is the case fair play to him. 
Yep, disappointing for us but entirely understandable.  The question remains will Leeds be able to resist the money?  Also, if he did come would his heart be in it?

From what I can make out lots of Leeds fans were upset that they sold one of their best players last summer, doing it 2 years in a row might be a bit much for the fans given this is a fairly new owner.

Fair play to him, I'm fine with players showing a bit of loyalty. I wonder who the next target is. Given we've shown we're willing to look in the Belgian league there's a young Norwegian playing at Genk called Sander Berge that I'd like us to look at. He was linked with Roma and Spurs in January, he's exactly the sort of midfielder we could do with, big, strong, work his tits off and has good passing and touch. A couple of the guys at my main office reckon he's the best player Norway have had for years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2019, 09:32:38 AM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on June 18, 2019, 11:19:29 AM
Every article I seem to click on about any Villa player either signed or linked Noel Whelan seems to have a quote and opinion about it, its really starting to annoy me.

What the hell has Noel Whelan got to do with us or how does he know anything about us, he was a nobody who hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years so why he seems the go to guy for a quote regarding us I have no idea!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 18, 2019, 11:21:19 AM
Every article I seem to click on about any Villa player either signed or linked Noel Whelan seems to have a quote and opinion about it, its really starting to annoy me.

What the hell has Noel Whelan got to do with us or how does he know anything about us, he was a nobody who hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years so why he seems the go to guy for a quote regarding us I have no idea!
I was thinking exactly the same. And when you read what he says it's pretty easy to spot he knows absolutely feck all about us!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 18, 2019, 11:22:21 AM
Every article I seem to click on about any Villa player either signed or linked Noel Whelan seems to have a quote and opinion about it, its really starting to annoy me.

What the hell has Noel Whelan got to do with us or how does he know anything about us, he was a nobody who hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years so why he seems the go to guy for a quote regarding us I have no idea!
I was thinking exactly the same. And when you read what he says it's pretty easy to spot he knows absolutely feck all about us!



I need to stop clicking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2019, 11:41:59 AM
I just came on here to moan about that. Headline was something along the lines of "Whelan rips into new Villa signing", and so I, naturally, assumed Glenn had been interviewed and was disappointed that he seemed to be acting in a bitter manner.

One click made me realise it was an interview with the legendary Noel Whelan saying Wesley may take some time to settle...

Hardly Earth-shattering journalism.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2019, 11:48:51 AM
I just came on here to moan about that. Headline was something along the lines of "Whelan rips into new Villa signing", and so I, naturally, assumed Glenn had been interviewed and was disappointed that he seemed to be acting in a bitter manner.

One click made me realise it was an interview with the legendary Noel Whelan saying Wesley may take some time to settle...

Hardly Earth-shattering journalism.

Jesus, they plumb new depths every day.

"Shocker! McGrath says standard of back line at Villa is appalling!"

*stupidly clicks on link*

"TV funny man Rory McGrath is very disappointed with the standard of the tennis court markings at his Marbella holiday home."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 18, 2019, 12:33:35 PM
So, in the nicest possible way, but what the fuck is Noel Whelan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 18, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
So, in the nicest possible way, but what the fuck is Noel Whelan?

Instead he the goofy c☆nt who used to play upfront for Coventry in their "glory days" of finishing 14th in the prem?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 18, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
Every article I seem to click on about any Villa player either signed or linked Noel Whelan seems to have a quote and opinion about it, its really starting to annoy me.

What the hell has Noel Whelan got to do with us or how does he know anything about us, he was a nobody who hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years so why he seems the go to guy for a quote regarding us I have no idea!
I was thinking exactly the same. And when you read what he says it's pretty easy to spot he knows absolutely feck all about us!



I need to stop clicking

I don't any more. I only click if it's Official Site/BBC/SKY and it's saying that we've actually signed someone. Otherwise i just come on here. If it looks vague it most certainly will be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 18, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes

Part exchange?  Have they any talent?

 Valentin Rongier
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 18, 2019, 01:45:50 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes

Part exchange?  Have they any talent?

 Valentin Rongier


Valentin Rongier sounds like an aging lothario played by Sid James in a Carry On film.

A for Noel Whelan, it must be something to do with the surname. Wigan's Dave Whelan used to spout off about stuff that wasn't his business all the time too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes

Part exchange?  Have they any talent?

 Valentin Rongier

24-year old Defensive Midfielder. Could be a good match - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/06/18/could-aston-villa-attempt-swap-deal-for-valentin-rongier/.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Alan Nixon saying we've enquired about Adam Webster at Bristol?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2019, 02:15:08 PM
Good player on the ball. I quite like him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 18, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
Stoke City have signed a new goalkeeper. Butland heading to either us or B'mouth. No disrespect but he is unlikely to choose  the Seasiders however I think we should not pay £20 m. Best to do a deal with  them and stand off Butland if they agree to transfer Mings for £1M in double quick time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 18, 2019, 02:42:20 PM
Stoke City have signed a new goalkeeper. Butland heading to either us or B'mouth. No disrespect but he is unlikely to choose  the Seasiders however I think we should not pay £20 m. Best to do a deal with  them and stand off Butland if they agree to transfer Mings for £1M in double quick time.

must be a few players we can throw in to get the cash side down?  Tishbola Lansbury or Green on loan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2019, 02:49:43 PM
Stoke City have signed a new goalkeeper. Butland heading to either us or B'mouth. No disrespect but he is unlikely to choose  the Seasiders however I think we should not pay £20 m. Best to do a deal with  them and stand off Butland if they agree to transfer Mings for £1M in double quick time.

must be a few players we can throw in to get the cash side down?  Tishbola Lansbury or Green on loan

Bjarnason and Bree look to be surplus to requirements too.  Wonder if Smith will look to use either of those as part-exchanges in another deal...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2019, 02:51:34 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I think, in this day-and-age, it's about the market-rate for a 26 year old England squad regular. Given that the move also comes with certain guarantees (eg, we know he'll settle in the area, has Premiership experience, etc) it does seem about right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I would doubt that, as insane as it is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I would doubt that, as insane as it is.

Yeah, Liverpool and Chelsea both paid £60m plus for babbiesp last summer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 18, 2019, 03:16:05 PM
The fees have gone crazy since we have been gone, watching SSN and in the past 5 minutes the storys have been Rodri to Man City for £62m, N'Dombele to Spurs for £60m, Issa Diop to Man Utd for £60m.

I remember when Van Der Sar went to Fulham  for £7m and even  back then I thought it was too much for a goalkeeper, even though he was superb.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
I think it is about the going rate. The bigger question for me is whether it is 20 million we should spend, or whether actually another holding mid/ winger/ left back/ striker would be a better way of splashing that kind of money
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2019, 03:19:44 PM
The fees have gone crazy since we have been gone, watching SSN and in the past 5 minutes the storys have been Rodri to Man City for £62m, N'Dombele to Spurs for £60m, Issa Diop to Man Utd for £60m.

I remember when Van Der Sar went to Fulham  for £7m and even  back then I thought it was too much for a goalkeeper, even though he was superb.

I thought Tim Flowers was over priced.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I've never been overly impressed, I must admit.

The English premium - for anyone even vaguely near the national squad.

Johnstone, Heaton or Pope, if we must go the Ingerland route.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2019, 03:28:14 PM
He's better than all of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 18, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.

My mate is a Leeds fan and reckons Bielsa only agreed to stay on if assurances were given that certain players would not be sold - Phillips was the main one apparently. So I don't think he'll be coming here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2019, 03:51:42 PM
The fees have gone crazy since we have been gone, watching SSN and in the past 5 minutes the storys have been Rodri to Man City for £62m , N'Dombele to Spurs for £60m, Issa Diop to Man Utd for £60m.

I remember when Van Der Sar went to Fulham  for £7m and even  back then I thought it was too much for a goalkeeper, even though he was superb.

Must be the second-most expensive Welshman ever after Bale.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
The fees have gone crazy since we have been gone, watching SSN and in the past 5 minutes the storys have been Rodri to Man City for £62m

The ultimate Paddy Power marketing ploy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2019, 04:05:54 PM
I think it is about the going rate. The bigger question for me is whether it is 20 million we should spend, or whether actually another holding mid/ winger/ left back/ striker would be a better way of splashing that kind of money

I might be wrong, but I get that impression that it won't be a case of either / or here. All the noises coming from the club (and media) suggest that the spending spree won't stop with Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2019, 04:28:57 PM
I think it is about the going rate. The bigger question for me is whether it is 20 million we should spend, or whether actually another holding mid/ winger/ left back/ striker would be a better way of splashing that kind of money

I might be wrong, but I get that impression that it won't be a case of either / or here. All the noises coming from the club (and media) suggest that the spending spree won't stop with Butland.

I imagine if money was tight, we would be happy with Steer as number 1.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 04:40:09 PM
The thing to consider with Butland is that, if it happens, I suspect it's because we already have a buyer for Kalinic and it'll be not far short of what we spent so the net spend on replacing him will be more like £13m-ish. I've never been particularly impressed with him but he's highly rated by a lot of people and I honestly don't pay much attention to Stoke or England so I've only seen him play a handful of times.

I do think a Midfielder and Left Back are much more important to us right now though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on June 18, 2019, 04:52:04 PM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.

My mate is a Leeds fan and reckons Bielsa only agreed to stay on if assurances were given that certain players would not be sold - Phillips was the main one apparently. So I don't think he'll be coming here.

Ads, the same reasons for Jack to leave last summer for Spuds (apart from a bigger club bit), and he stayed. Just something to consider
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 18, 2019, 05:07:00 PM
The thing to consider with Butland is that, if it happens, I suspect it's because we already have a buyer for Kalinic and it'll be not far short of what we spent so the net spend on replacing him will be more like £13m-ish. I've never been particularly impressed with him but he's highly rated by a lot of people and I honestly don't pay much attention to Stoke or England so I've only seen him play a handful of times.

I do think a Midfielder and Left Back are much more important to us right now though.

There’s no player on the pitch more important than the goalkeeper imo
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 18, 2019, 05:28:44 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 18, 2019, 05:28:56 PM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.

My mate is a Leeds fan and reckons Bielsa only agreed to stay on if assurances were given that certain players would not be sold - Phillips was the main one apparently. So I don't think he'll be coming here.

Ads, the same reasons for Jack to leave last summer for Spuds (apart from a bigger club bit), and he stayed. Just something to consider
I'd like to think Phillips is not the only option to fill this important slot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
The thing to consider with Butland is that, if it happens, I suspect it's because we already have a buyer for Kalinic and it'll be not far short of what we spent so the net spend on replacing him will be more like £13m-ish. I've never been particularly impressed with him but he's highly rated by a lot of people and I honestly don't pay much attention to Stoke or England so I've only seen him play a handful of times.

I do think a Midfielder and Left Back are much more important to us right now though.

There’s no player on the pitch more important than the goalkeeper imo

Yes that's possibly true but we've got a couple of goalkeepers that I think have more to offer than we've seen, we don't have a defensive midfielder and even at his best Taylor isn't good enough in the opposition half to do the job I think we'll need from him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2019, 05:38:05 PM
Alan Nixon in The Scum

Quote
ASTON VILLA are making a shock move for Bristol City’s giant centre-half Adam Webster in a bid to strengthen their Premier League squad.

Villa boss Dean Smith needs two defenders after Axel Tuanzebe returned to Manchester United, while Bournemouth are haggling over a fee for Tyrone Mings.

Smith’s money-men will back him with a bid of around £12million for Webster, who only joined Lee Johnson’s club from Ipswich a year ago.

Villa have been rebuffed so far but their interest is bound to appeal to Webster, who could make a quick move into the top-flight.

Tuanzebe is set to be involved in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s pre-season games at United.

Meanwhile, Villa refuse to overpay for Mings after reviving his career in a successful loan spell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 18, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.

So make those upgrades as well. It's not one or the other. We've got dollars now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 18, 2019, 05:40:12 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.

So make those upgrades as well. It's not one or the other.
Quite, but there must be priorities if you have a limited budget, as I presume we have.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.

I get the feeling from these owners it’s not confined to one or the other.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 18, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.

So make those upgrades as well. It's not one or the other.
Quite, but there must be priorities if you have a limited budget, as I presume we have.

Why? What in the 'not just here to make up the numbers' spiel that the owners and Purslow have stuck to since promotion, following spending £20m on an unknown Brazilian striker, makes you presume we couldn't spend £20m on Butland, £10m on a decent left back and £15m on a defensive midfielder (who we've supposedly already made a bid of that amount for)? Genuine question.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
And just how much more minted than they are would our owners have to be for us not to have a limited budget?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2019, 05:47:17 PM
Of course there's a limited budget, we're not going to spend £150m for example.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2019, 05:51:32 PM
Of course there's a limited budget, we're not going to spend £150m for example.


Can't say we will, won't say we won't. But I think we'd be better if we did now, in one hit, rather than drip feeding it in over the next half a dozen windows. YOLO...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
That wasn't really the point I was making. I wasn't thinking either/or more that it'll make a bigger difference and therefore getting those right is more important. On top of that in terms of timescales I'd rather the outfield players in earlier to get a full pre-season and the goalkeeper can come once those key signings are sorted, if we don't have time/staff to negotiate the lot at once. Of course this is also assuming that Mings is pretty much sorted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 18, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
That wasn't really the point I was making. I wasn't thinking either/or more that it'll make a bigger difference and therefore getting those right is more important. On top of that in terms of timescales I'd rather the outfield players in earlier to get a full pre-season and the goalkeeper can come once those key signings are sorted, if we don't have time/staff to negotiate the lot at once. Of course this is also assuming that Mings is pretty much sorted.

What about if the outfield players take longer i.e. the other club needs to sell first, the player is on holiday but the goalkeeper is available now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2019, 06:15:11 PM
He's better than all of them.

Put together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2019, 06:47:25 PM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.

My mate is a Leeds fan and reckons Bielsa only agreed to stay on if assurances were given that certain players would not be sold - Phillips was the main one apparently. So I don't think he'll be coming here.

Ads, the same reasons for Jack to leave last summer for Spuds (apart from a bigger club bit), and he stayed. Just something to consider

As I said, Jack never had to make a decision, as Spurs thought they could box clever and got it wrong.if they'd have bid something sensible, like £35m, then Jack would have gone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
Webster is a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 18, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
Webster is a very good player.
He was good on FIFA soccer ( I think ) 96 , in the early Nintendo days where they didn’t have all the teams’ permission to use players names , so Man U had to have made up ones. Their front 3 of Webster, Roper and Harper were unstoppable. Shame I was Villa and my son was Man U. I never beat him but Webster regularly racked up 70 plus goals a season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Fifa Internation Soccer. Matt Webster and Bruce McMillan up front for England and Kevin Sharpnell on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 18, 2019, 07:30:51 PM
Thanks - your memory is better than mine! I’m sure there was a Roper in there somewhere - was he a midfielder? Very impressed with your knowledge!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
You're right but I think paul e is making the point that while Butland would be an upgrade, there's potential to make bigger upgrades elsewhere.

So make those upgrades as well. It's not one or the other.
Quite, but there must be priorities if you have a limited budget, as I presume we have.

How does anyone know what the budget is though? Purslow said we’re not going up to tread water and survive. That comes with a price which I have no doubt they have discussed at length. Given the gaps in our squad it will cost us £100 just to get to a decent level. I reckon we will be closer to £150 when the summer is done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2019, 08:51:56 PM
Spurs tried to take advantage of our situation and Grand Master Negotiator Levy royally fucked it up. Not only will they very likely never get him now I hope Jack bags a brace while setting up the other 3 in romp on the opening day. Fuck Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2019, 08:57:14 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I would doubt that, as insane as it is.

Yup. I reckon there are twenty or so keepers that would easily cost £20m+
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 18, 2019, 09:05:19 PM
Buy Butland and I doubt we’d be looking to purchase a keeper again for 5 plus years.

With player cost inflation as it is, having one position locked down for that period of time must be a good thing.  Yes it is a lot of money, and I’d agree GK is not our biggest priority, however I think there’s definitely merit investment wise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 18, 2019, 09:09:06 PM
Buy Butland and I doubt we’d be looking to purchase a keeper again for 5 plus years.

With player cost inflation as it is, having one position locked down for that period of time must be a good thing.  Yes it is a lot of money, and I’d agree GK is not our biggest priority, however I think there’s definitely merit investment wise.

I agree definitely a wise investment which will become more valuable every season. Recognised England international with premier league experience
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 18, 2019, 09:11:00 PM
Is Butland that good? Can't notice any improvements in him in the last 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
How good is Butland? For £20m you could with one or two exceptions, sign almost any goalkeeper in the world.

I've never been overly impressed, I must admit.

The English premium - for anyone even vaguely near the national squad.

Johnstone, Heaton or Pope, if we must go the Ingerland route.

Same for me. Butland does make excellent reaction saves as the numerous YT videos show but I've also seen Stoke games when his kicking has been as bad as Guzan at his worst here so dosen't strike me as a building from the back keeper at all tbh. Not great on crosses either.

For half the price I'd rather have Etheridge who is similar standard imo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
He's better than all of them.

Not better than Heaton for me (Pickford had a poor season but picked up over the end).

Burnley were a joke defensively with Joe Hart in up to xmas. Heaton recalled for West Ham on December 30th, they keep a clean sheet and suddenly from that point Burnley become a much more difficult team to score against for rest of the season.

Keeping isn't just about making camera friendly saves, it's also the confidence you install in back 4 and communication which Heaton scores very highly on.

Now it isn't all Butland's fault but haven't Stoke conceded over 100 goals last two seasons? It's not like they even have a bunch of kids at the back, mostly experienced international players like Williams and Martins Indi. They always seem to be getting dragged out of position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 18, 2019, 10:04:23 PM
I thought Stoke were boring nil-nil merchants last season, Butland most have kept his fair share of clean sheets.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on June 18, 2019, 10:04:36 PM
The Phillips is staying at Leeds comes from one of those Jackanory TeamTalk Twitter accounts, ran by a Leeds fan.

If we make an acceptable bid, he'll leave. Jack never had a choice to make as Spurs made a bid of £3m plus Onomah and then £25m post take over, both of which were obviously rejected.

Phillips has a chance to;

Play for a bigger club
Premier League football
Significantly increase his wages
Push for an England spot in a tournament year in a position England are weak in

Make a bid that Leeds accept and he will come.

My feelings exactly.

There's also the incentive of not having to play for a bunch of snarling Neanderthals in a tin pot shack of a stadium.

My mate is a Leeds fan and reckons Bielsa only agreed to stay on if assurances were given that certain players would not be sold - Phillips was the main one apparently. So I don't think he'll be coming here.

Ads, the same reasons for Jack to leave last summer for Spuds (apart from a bigger club bit), and he stayed. Just something to consider

As I said, Jack never had to make a decision, as Spurs thought they could box clever and got it wrong.if they'd have bid something sensible, like £35m, then Jack would have gone.

Yes I know, just making point that they are similar reasons
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 18, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
I thought Stoke were boring nil-nil merchants last season, Butland most have kept his fair share of clean sheets.

Yep.
https://footystats.org/england/championship/clean-sheets-table
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 18, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
I see Motherwell have accepted Norwich's bid for David Turnbull. surely worth Villa bidding as well?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2019, 10:19:57 PM
I thought Stoke were boring nil-nil merchants last season, Butland most have kept his fair share of clean sheets.

Yeah second half of season after Nathan Jones came in they seemed to morph into a new version of Pulis ball. Endless 0-0s and 1-1s.

First half of the season they were a bit of a mess: Were conceding 2s and 3s against likes of Wigan, Rotherham and Blackburn which takes some doing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2019, 10:20:50 PM
I see Motherwell have accepted Norwich's bid for David Turnbull. surely worth Villa bidding as well?

At that price, it's worth the risk. He looks a talent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
Anyone take Reiss Nelson on season long loan from Arsenal?

Wide attacking player. Was on bench for England under 21s tonight (so was Tammy) but he had a decent loan spell at Hoffenheim last season, scored 7 goals in Bundesliga up to xmas. Was more off the bench second half of the year but still 18 year old getting regular minutes in German league is pretty promising.

Seems Arsenal might want him in their first team squad next season but he'd get more starts here so one I'd be enquiring about.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2019, 10:29:03 PM
Unless there is a clause to buy we’re not taking any more loans to help other teams out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on June 18, 2019, 10:57:53 PM
Still need a kick arse holding/sweeper midfielder.   The most crucial of the summer signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on June 18, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
George Boateng was the best player we have had in that role for years
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 19, 2019, 06:28:42 AM
George Boateng was the best player we have had in that role for years

I agree. I remember being at Anfield when Gerrard made his leg bend the wrong way but it didn't break. Boating was hard as nails and totally reliable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 19, 2019, 06:32:01 AM
Agree 100% Mike  George was very undervalued.  IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 19, 2019, 06:34:08 AM
And a very nice bloke too.  We met him in the club shop buying a club shirt for his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2019, 07:06:17 AM
And a very nice bloke too.  We met him in the club shop buying a club shirt for his girlfriend.

Why were you buying a shirt for his girlfriend? 😀
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 19, 2019, 07:11:08 AM
Still need a kick arse holding/sweeper midfielder.   The most crucial of the summer signings.

Delph? I’d take him back for sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2019, 07:15:16 AM
Still need a kick arse holding/sweeper midfielder.   The most crucial of the summer signings.

Delph? I’d take him back for sure.

Would his heart be in it though and would he see it as a comedown after playing Champions League Football, helping them win the league and playing for England?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2019, 07:33:40 AM
Fuck no to Delph.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on June 19, 2019, 07:47:00 AM
Definitely no to any ageing player looking for one last fat contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2019, 07:54:09 AM
Delph can get fucked.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2019, 07:54:32 AM
Delph would be competition for Mcginn not the holding player we're looking for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 19, 2019, 08:05:08 AM
He was shit for England last week. Often a player had made a run into a good position and instead of passing it quickly, Delph fainted to pass and to turn into trouble every time.
It’s his one trick and no one bought it.
Fuck him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 19, 2019, 08:54:38 AM
Delph would be competition for Mcginn not the holding player we're looking for.

Just going to post the same. He’s not the player for that role even if it wasn’t a terrible idea for many other reasons. We need a younger, better Whelan basically.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 19, 2019, 09:28:48 AM
No Delph - heading towards 30, not gonna get any better, no goodwill with the fans and doubt he has any hunger left
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 09:33:06 AM
Apologies if already discussed - saw Barbet has signed for QPR of all clubs ... surely on a free transfer he'd have been worth a punt??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
Spurs tried to take advantage of our situation and Grand Master Negotiator Levy royally fucked it up. Not only will they very likely never get him now I hope Jack bags a brace while setting up the other 3 in romp on the opening day. Fuck Spurs.

Amen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2019, 09:44:16 AM
We need someone more physically imposing in there. McGinn and Grealish are fantastic players but neither of them is intimidating and I think having a bit of presence in the midfield is important in the premier league, especially if we want to get the fullbacks forward and have the midfield available to cover behind them. The problem is, big strong central midfielders who have good technical skills and can pick a pass tend to get really expensive. Ndombele, for example, looks like a fantastic prospect to fill the role but he's already being talked about as a £65m player on the back of 18months of good form since  he was signed for £8m, it's a crazy market and that position in particular has become hard to fill for less that £25-30m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2019, 10:00:32 AM
George Boateng was the best player we have had in that role for years

I agree. I remember being at Anfield when Gerrard made his leg bend the wrong way but it didn't break. Boating was hard as nails and totally reliable.

See also Gazza smashing him in the face with an elbow during the Valentines Day massacre at Boro in 2000 and coming off the worse for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 19, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Apologies if already discussed - saw Barbet has signed for QPR of all clubs ... surely on a free transfer he'd have been worth a punt??







I imagine if we wanted him we could have had him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on June 19, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Apologies if already discussed - saw Barbet has signed for QPR of all clubs ... surely on a free transfer he'd have been worth a punt??



I imagine if we wanted him we could have had him

Too early to worry about how far we have fallen if we can't compete with the QPRs of this world?

:D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 19, 2019, 10:25:01 AM
Delph can fuck himself. No.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 19, 2019, 10:31:51 AM
Who is Bardet?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 19, 2019, 10:41:50 AM
We need someone more physically imposing in there. McGinn and Grealish are fantastic players but neither of them is intimidating and I think having a bit of presence in the midfield is important in the premier league, especially if we want to get the fullbacks forward and have the midfield available to cover behind them. The problem is, big strong central midfielders who have good technical skills and can pick a pass tend to get really expensive. Ndombele, for example, looks like a fantastic prospect to fill the role but he's already being talked about as a £65m player on the back of 18months of good form since  he was signed for £8m, it's a crazy market and that position in particular has become hard to fill for less that £25-30m

Maybe someone like Jonjo Shelvey, although I suspect we will cast a wider net and show a bit more imagination than him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 19, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
Delph can fuck himself. No.

My opinion is that Delph can do a typical Delph and fuck himself, then change his mind and not fuck himself and then change his mind again and fuck himself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
Who is Bardet?

Yoann Barbet - Brentford centre-half, 26, old favourite of Smith's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2019, 11:14:15 AM
We need someone more physically imposing in there. McGinn and Grealish are fantastic players but neither of them is intimidating and I think having a bit of presence in the midfield is important in the premier league, especially if we want to get the fullbacks forward and have the midfield available to cover behind them. The problem is, big strong central midfielders who have good technical skills and can pick a pass tend to get really expensive. Ndombele, for example, looks like a fantastic prospect to fill the role but he's already being talked about as a £65m player on the back of 18months of good form since  he was signed for £8m, it's a crazy market and that position in particular has become hard to fill for less that £25-30m

Maybe someone like Jonjo Shelvey, although I suspect we will cast a wider net and show a bit more imagination than him.

Sort of, just less shit and less of a complete twat. I really don't get waht people see in him, he is, for me, a marginal upgrade on Lansbury who struggled to get on our bench last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 19, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
We need someone more physically imposing in there. McGinn and Grealish are fantastic players but neither of them is intimidating and I think having a bit of presence in the midfield is important in the premier league, especially if we want to get the fullbacks forward and have the midfield available to cover behind them. The problem is, big strong central midfielders who have good technical skills and can pick a pass tend to get really expensive. Ndombele, for example, looks like a fantastic prospect to fill the role but he's already being talked about as a £65m player on the back of 18months of good form since  he was signed for £8m, it's a crazy market and that position in particular has become hard to fill for less that £25-30m

Maybe someone like Jonjo Shelvey, although I suspect we will cast a wider net and show a bit more imagination than him.

Sort of, just less shit and less of a complete twat. I really don't get waht people see in him, he is, for me, a marginal upgrade on Lansbury who struggled to get on our bench last year.
Shelves has a great range of passing but fuck all else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2019, 11:30:37 AM
 Marvelous Nakamba         great name


Aston Villa are reportedly leading the race to land Zimbabwe midfielder Marvelous Nakamba.


dont know how marvelous he is
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 19, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
Marvelous Nakamba         great name


Aston Villa are reportedly leading the race to land Zimbabwe midfielder Marvelous Nakamba.


dont know how marvelous he is
£20m seems a little steep, to say the least. He looks like a good back-up player to someone in DMF with a little more experience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 19, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
Marvelous Nakamba         great name


Aston Villa are reportedly leading the race to land Zimbabwe midfielder Marvelous Nakamba.


dont know how marvelous he is
£20m seems a little steep, to say the least. He looks like a good back-up player to someone in DMF with a little more experience.
£20m?  Fucking hell Brugge must either have been fucking brilliant last year or have some very compromising photos of someone on our recruitment team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 19, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2019, 12:09:47 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 19, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2019, 12:19:57 PM
Sort of, just less shit and less of a complete twat. I really don't get waht people see in him, he is, for me, a marginal upgrade on Lansbury who struggled to get on our bench last year.
We can do better than Shelvey but he's way better than just a marginal upgrade on Lansbury, who has done the square root of fuck all for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2019, 12:21:26 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?
They will have if they flog Maguire.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2019, 12:21:28 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

they can have Joe Allen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2019, 12:21:32 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?

Do they only want to buy one of his legs?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 19, 2019, 12:30:57 PM
The mail have dug up a link to Moussa Marega from last year. No quotes no nothing - file under B.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?

Do they only want to buy one of his legs?

Don't be daft. 40m wouldn't even pay for the insurance on McGinniesta's lefty!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2019, 12:32:47 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?

Do they only want to buy one of his legs?

Rodgers can only be after SJM's brother, Stephen, who plays for St Mirren.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 19, 2019, 12:33:12 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?

Do they only want to buy one of his legs?

I was trying to keep it realistic but I wouldnt sell the shavings off his arse for 40 million! He is priceless to villa at this moment in time as is Jack.

Him and Jack will be the cornerstone of our rebuild and with the addition if butland(fairly likely & mings(odds on) we would have a fantastic spine to build around for the next 5-10 years
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2019, 12:35:12 PM
Leicester sniffing round McGinn.

They can do one!

I honestly doubt they are but Rodgers wanted to sign him for Celtic so it's a very easy link for a lazy journalist to make.

have the got 40 million spare?
They will have if they flog Maguire.

Makes sense. SJM's other brother, Paul is a centre half.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete on June 19, 2019, 12:42:27 PM
I've not seen it mentioned on here but it's reported in the local media up here that we're interested in Terence Kongolo. Dutch international, plays either centre back or left back. I've not seen him play but he's highly rated by the locals, whatever that's worth. He'd cost in the region of £20 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: johnny from donny on June 19, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
George Boateng was the best player we have had in that role for years

I agree. I remember being at Anfield when Gerrard made his leg bend the wrong way but it didn't break. Boating was hard as nails and totally reliable.
That was the match where I began a lifelong hatred of Stevie Me and Gerard Houllier. Houllier's comment afterwards about Boateng being a very good actor was disgraceful.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dr Butler on June 19, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
George Boateng was the best player we have had in that role for years

I agree. I remember being at Anfield when Gerrard made his leg bend the wrong way but it didn't break. Boating was hard as nails and totally reliable.
That was the match where I began a lifelong hatred of Stevie Me and Gerard Houllier. Houllier's comment afterwards about Boateng being a very good actor was disgraceful.

didn't Paul Gascoigne try a forearm smash in a game and came away with a broken arm vs Boateng ?

found it...beware it's in slow motion


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 19, 2019, 01:25:53 PM
Apparently West Ham were having a look at Marvelous Nakamba last season. He's got good reviews as being a tough tackler and strong - would he get a work permit though? I'm not overly bothered about fees - it's gone silly season and anyone half decent looks like they're going to cost £10-20M. I'm more worried that we don't put too many players who haven't played in the UK together because they will take a few months to get used to the pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 19, 2019, 01:34:26 PM
Apparently West Ham were having a look at Marvelous Nakamba last season. He's got good reviews as being a tough tackler and strong - would he get a work permit though? I'm not overly bothered about fees - it's gone silly season and anyone half decent looks like they're going to cost £10-20M. I'm more worried that we don't put too many players who haven't played in the UK together because they will take a few months to get used to the pace.

Apparently we would have to apply for a special work permit. This article is better than the Mail's - https://www.chronicle.co.zw/nakamba-on-villa-radar/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 19, 2019, 01:58:17 PM
Apparently West Ham were having a look at Marvelous Nakamba last season. He's got good reviews as being a tough tackler and strong - would he get a work permit though? I'm not overly bothered about fees - it's gone silly season and anyone half decent looks like they're going to cost £10-20M. I'm more worried that we don't put too many players who haven't played in the UK together because they will take a few months to get used to the pace.

Apparently we would have to apply for a special work permit. This article is better than the Mail's - https://www.chronicle.co.zw/nakamba-on-villa-radar/

Ta - it also seems he wants to go to Liverpool - well get us into the top 6 and you never know son.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2019, 02:23:11 PM
Agree 100% Mike  George was very undervalued.  IMO.

How did we let the likes of Boateng, Southgate and Ugo leave us to join the might of Middlesboro??

I really hope this time we are sustainably competitive in the top division. Not the drain circling efforts at the tail end of the Ellis and Lerner reigns respectively. We appear much better set up off the park now at least.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Confusious says on June 19, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
Agree 100% Mike  George was very undervalued.  IMO.

How did we let the likes of Boateng, Southgate and Ugo leave us to join the might of Middlesboro??

I really hope this time we are sustainably competitive in the top division. Not the drain circling efforts at the tail end of the Ellis and Lerner reigns respectively. We appear much better set up off the park now at least.

Why the three left was down to corner shop management by Doug
I think they were quoted as saying there was no ambition or investment
which was true unfortunately
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
McGinn and Steer being offered new contracts apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2019, 02:33:09 PM
Agree 100% Mike  George was very undervalued.  IMO.

How did we let the likes of Boateng, Southgate and Ugo leave us to join the might of Middlesboro??

I really hope this time we are sustainably competitive in the top division. Not the drain circling efforts at the tail end of the Ellis and Lerner reigns respectively. We appear much better set up off the park now at least.
Gibson was throwing money around , to the likes of Ravenilli , Juninho ( once spotted at villa)  and Zenden too .

Yet he seems to be moaning about the Villa flashing the cash 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: purpletrousers on June 19, 2019, 02:43:35 PM
From the “other ‘football’ ” place
Joe Lolley’s getting involved on twitter.

“Typical of a small shit club”.
Looking  up Joe Lolley on twitter.
(Seems this was banter with his Blues fan footballing mate), but interested to read on top of being Villa, how socially engaged he is and not shy to say his piece.

“At 20, Joe Lolley was a university student paying to play football. Six months later he was in the Championship.

An interview on compassion, happiness and why living inside and outside the football bubble makes him different.”

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/joe-lolley-exclusive-interview-nottingham-forest-austerity-nhs-brexit/

I wonder if Deano is after him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 19, 2019, 02:49:07 PM
From the “other ‘football’ ” place
Joe Lolley’s getting involved on twitter.

“Typical of a small shit club”.
Looking  up Joe Lolley on twitter.
(Seems this was banter with his Blues fan footballing mate), but interested to read on top of being Villa, how socially engaged he is and not shy to say his piece.

“At 20, Joe Lolley was a university student paying to play football. Six months later he was in the Championship.

An interview on compassion, happiness and why living inside and outside the football bubble makes him different.”

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/joe-lolley-exclusive-interview-nottingham-forest-austerity-nhs-brexit/

I wonder if Deano is after him?

I bet it took him a while to delete his anti Martin O'Neill poists on Villatalk!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: purpletrousers on June 19, 2019, 02:55:37 PM
What’s the story?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 19, 2019, 02:59:50 PM
What’s the story?

Back in the day when he was still at uni, he was just a normal and fairly prolific member of Villatalk.  It would be like one of the younger members on here suddenly going from playing five aside with his mates to being a £10m footballer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: purpletrousers on June 19, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
Ah yes, I recall regency to that now. Was that during your sabbatical from here Risso? I never did find out what the reason for your exile was?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
What’s the story?

Back in the day when he was still at uni, he was just a normal and fairly prolific member of Villatalk.  It would be like one of the younger members on here suddenly going from playing five aside with his mates to being a £10m footballer.

We had high hopes for SoccerHQ
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2019, 04:27:17 PM
What’s the story?

Back in the day when he was still at uni, he was just a normal and fairly prolific member of Villatalk.  It would be like one of the younger members on here suddenly going from playing five aside with his mates to being a £10m footballer.

We had high hopes for SoccerHQ

Like so many before him he squandered his God-given abilities on all night sessions with his mates at Red Cafe. Wink.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on June 19, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
From the “other ‘football’ ” place
Joe Lolley’s getting involved on twitter.

“Typical of a small shit club”.
Looking  up Joe Lolley on twitter.
(Seems this was banter with his Blues fan footballing mate), but interested to read on top of being Villa, how socially engaged he is and not shy to say his piece.

“At 20, Joe Lolley was a university student paying to play football. Six months later he was in the Championship.

An interview on compassion, happiness and why living inside and outside the football bubble makes him different.”

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/joe-lolley-exclusive-interview-nottingham-forest-austerity-nhs-brexit/

I wonder if Deano is after him?
Thanks for the link. Really good/interesting article and he comes across very well. With the current crazy transfer  market Forest got a bargain getting him for £500,000. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
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Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 19, 2019, 05:03:00 PM
Defo take Heaton over Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 19, 2019, 05:44:52 PM
Heaton is 7 years older than Butland, so I'm not sure I would be targeting him instead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 19, 2019, 06:46:42 PM
I’d be happy to sign whoever Neil Cutler thinks is best personally.  Like the impact Heaton had getting back in at Burnley & Butland was better than how Stoke performed all season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2019, 06:57:29 PM
Unless there is a clause to buy we’re not taking any more loans to help other teams out.

I am hoping that the club’s stance here is a nice sound bite rather than policy.  I like message it sends but...

...if we don’t take the player then someone else will, so there’s no gain there.  It could be a loss if a rival takes the player and improves as a consequence.

Secondly, taking promising players on loan is a great way of getting into their psyche/soul.  Take Mings for example (and Tammy), do you think they’d be publicly angling for a move (or rejecting Wolves) if they hadn’t been here on loan originally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on June 19, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Apparently West Ham were having a look at Marvelous Nakamba last season. He's got good reviews as being a tough tackler and strong - would he get a work permit though? I'm not overly bothered about fees - it's gone silly season and anyone half decent looks like they're going to cost £10-20M. I'm more worried that we don't put too many players who haven't played in the UK together because they will take a few months to get used to the pace.

Apparently we would have to apply for a special work permit. This article is better than the Mail's - https://www.chronicle.co.zw/nakamba-on-villa-radar/

His International team mate looks handy too. Tinotenda Kadewere.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
I'd happily get Tuanzebe back on loan if that's an option. Realistically, we probably can't address every single area that needs improving this transfer window with permanent deals.

Even if we do, it might take a while for someone to settle.

Tuanzebe would be able to hit the ground running as he already knows the club.

It's not like we even lose anything by having a player unavailable against Man U because we are always pathetic against them anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
We need at least one new player a week until the window shuts.  Quiet day today except for Marvellous!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2019, 07:40:06 PM
What about Wanyama for the DM position?  I get the impression that he is available although Levy will probably ask for stupid money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
What about Wanyama for the DM position?  I get the impression that he is available although Levy will probably ask for stupid money.

He’s crap, can’t trap a bag of cement. We can do better than that and for a lot cheaper
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2019, 08:29:17 PM
I'd take Wanyama actually. Was a good player at Southampton and hasn't been too bad at Spurs although obviously not champions league quality. Only 27 so fits into our age profile aswell.

I agree we need a DM with a bit of presence and height. Just signing a small Ryan Woods type figure and our whole midfield would be skilfull but pretty small.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2019, 10:24:13 PM
I'd take Wanyama actually. Was a good player at Southampton and hasn't been too bad at Spurs although obviously not champions league quality. Only 27 so fits into our age profile aswell.

I agree we need a DM with a bit of presence and height. Just signing a small Ryan Woods type figure and our whole midfield would be skilfull but pretty small.

Wanyama's legs are gone, has had loads on injuries. Surprised we haven't been linked to Mooy yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2019, 10:28:25 PM
I’d be happy to sign whoever Neil Cutler thinks is best personally.  Like the impact Heaton had getting back in at Burnley & Butland was better than how Stoke performed all season.

Cutler was in situ when we signed Kalinic, both he and Smith must have given that signing the green light.

Heaton is solid but not much more than that. I thought we would be after Johnstone this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mellin on June 19, 2019, 11:20:07 PM
Unless there is a clause to buy we’re not taking any more loans to help other teams out.

I am hoping that the club’s stance here is a nice sound bite rather than policy.  I like message it sends but...

...if we don’t take the player then someone else will, so there’s no gain there.  It could be a loss if a rival takes the player and improves as a consequence.

Secondly, taking promising players on loan is a great way of getting into their psyche/soul.  Take Mings for example (and Tammy), do you think they’d be publicly angling for a move (or rejecting Wolves) if they hadn’t been here on loan originally.

Exactly. Often leads to a permanent if it works for all parties. Loans are fine as long as they're of the required quality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2019, 11:27:43 PM
We have to be selfish and do what's right for us. Never mind worrying about the development of others clubs  players. If we need them, just do it. Anything it takes to make sure we establish ourselves in this division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2019, 11:34:27 PM
Exactly.  If it's to our benefit then fine.  We loan our players out too.  There's potential benefit for both parties.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 19, 2019, 11:34:49 PM
I get what they were trying to say about the loan system, but without El Ghazi, Mings and Axel we wouldn't be in the Premier League now, so used correctly it very much has its uses.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 19, 2019, 11:53:53 PM
The loan market is vital to Championship clubs who either cannot afford permanents or cannot spend due to FFP.  However, now we're a PL side, we can afford permanents and we aren't restricted by way of FFP as we were last season.


That said, there is merit in the arguments that loans are mutually beneficial.

I see no harm in us loaning a player if it means funds are released to spend elsewhere.  Ultimately, if we can sign Mings plus A.N Other, there will be no need to sign Axel permanently. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2019, 12:17:17 AM
We have to be selfish and do what's right for us. Never mind worrying about the development of others clubs  players. If we need them, just do it. Anything it takes to make sure we establish ourselves in this division.

Agree, but it has to be part of an overall plan.  We could sign a number of loan players just to stay up this season, but unless they were loan to buy, it would be highly likely they would be off next summer and we would be in the same position. 

One or two loans to supplement permanent signings in more pressing areas could be beneficial though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 20, 2019, 07:02:32 AM
I’d be happy to sign whoever Neil Cutler thinks is best personally.  Like the impact Heaton had getting back in at Burnley & Butland was better than how Stoke performed all season.

Cutler was in situ when we signed Kalinic, both he and Smith must have given that signing the green light.

Heaton is solid but not much more than that. I thought we would be after Johnstone this summer.

He’s not very popular down the Baggies. A good Championship keeper at the moment he doesn’t look good enough for a higher level. Although I could see him improve. We need the finished article and hope we get Butland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on June 20, 2019, 07:52:46 AM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 20, 2019, 08:05:21 AM
not the Pope
I dunno, I hear he's very good on crosses
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 20, 2019, 08:24:14 AM
Heaton is 33 so he may well be good in the short term but we will be back here again soon and it will probably cost us more over time

if Butland is good enough to be a premier league goalie for the next 5 years at the top of his game it would be best to get him in now even at 20m,
You’ve sorted one of the most important positions out for a good few years and probably saved a fortune in doing so

Obviously if you don’t think Butland is good enough then I can see why people don’t want him but to just say an older goalkeeper like Heaton to save a few pennies is false economy on and off the pitch

the goalkeeper is not a ‘he can do a job for us’ position, it’s essential we have the best we can get
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 20, 2019, 08:29:13 AM
I'd take Wanyama actually. Was a good player at Southampton and hasn't been too bad at Spurs although obviously not champions league quality. Only 27 so fits into our age profile aswell.

I agree we need a DM with a bit of presence and height. Just signing a small Ryan Woods type figure and our whole midfield would be skilfull but pretty small.

Wanyama's legs are gone, has had loads on injuries. Surprised we haven't been linked to Mooy yet.
He’d be the new djemba dejemba for us !?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 20, 2019, 08:30:04 AM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 20, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.

Tend to agree, we signed Friedel when he was 37. He was solid and didn't miss a single prem game over three seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 20, 2019, 12:10:27 PM
Heaton is not a free agent, he has a year left on his contract, whereas Butland has two. I don’t think that Friedal can be used as a justification, he was fairly unique. Heaton has had extended periods of injury in recent years. We gave Given a four year contract when he was 35, and he only really played for the first season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 20, 2019, 12:18:00 PM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.

Tend to agree, we signed Friedel when he was 37. He was solid and didn't miss a single prem game over three seasons.

Friedal rarely missed a game throughout his career. According to Wikipedia, in the last two seasons, Heaton has played 4 games and 19 games respectively. Hardly a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2019, 12:43:59 PM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.

Tend to agree, we signed Friedel when he was 37. He was solid and didn't miss a single prem game over three seasons.

Friedal rarely missed a game throughout his career. According to Wikipedia, in the last two seasons, Heaton has played 4 games and 19 games respectively. Hardly a fair comparison.

Friedel was the exception rather than the norm, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 20, 2019, 01:02:54 PM
None of which makes Butland a £20m player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2019, 01:04:32 PM
None of which makes Butland a £20m player.

No, the current market does that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2019, 01:19:36 PM
None of which makes Butland a £20m player.

I don't think the owners will scale back on other positions just because we spend £20m on a goalie. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 20, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
steer has signed a new deal

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/20/jed-steer-signs-new-contract
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 20, 2019, 01:29:50 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal

I had him down as a right winger
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 20, 2019, 01:31:58 PM
Wonder if Steer Signing a new contract means all the GK speculation has been press guff. Do seem to be a Lot of links to that position though. Out if those linked u would go with Butland fwiw
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
I think Steer gets a new contract purely on merit and if we buy a new keeper he’ll compete for that spot. We know he won’t let us down. It will just mean one of Kalinic or Nyland will be gone; the former being the more likely. Anyway good for Jed Steer. He deserves it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 20, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal

I had him down as a right winger
He lacks mobility these days, so not for me, clive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on June 20, 2019, 02:00:51 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal

I had him down as a right winger
He lacks mobility these days, so not for me, clive.

We'd need to be down to the bare bones for him to get a game.  A no for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 20, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal

I had him down as a right winger

Benedict XVI was a right winger in his youth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 20, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)

John Paul II played in goal

I had him down as a right winger

Benedict XVI was a right winger in his youth.

Is he more moderate now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2019, 03:35:14 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)
It's amazing how many people have come to the conclusion Butland isn't good enough.

I'm no expert on goalkeeprs, but what I do know is that he's 26, has been capped by England U16, U17, U19, U20, U21, Great Britain and has 9 full caps.

I'll bow down to people who genuinely know more about keeping than me, but that's a lot of coaches who have clearly rated him over a number of years and at an age where we could feasibly get 8 years service for our investment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 20, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
I agree Chris, he may have had a little slump after a great start as a kid but he seems a great fit for us. FWIW, I thought Johnstone was a great keeper too, we wouldn't have finished so high if he wasn't in goal for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 20, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Just had a nose at YouTube clips and quite like the look of Marvelous, very athletic and doesn’t hold back, looks just what we need. And Big Wes would have a mate
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 20, 2019, 05:19:11 PM
It's not a massive priority for me, but if there's an offer in for Kalinic, I think it'd be a clever bit of business to swap him for Butland. At 26, he's got maybe 10 good seasons in him, plus a couple as a backup so £20m isn't that terrible. Better than any 30+ year old whose not playing regularly at any rate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2019, 05:46:58 PM
It's not a massive priority for me, but if there's an offer in for Kalinic, I think it'd be a clever bit of business to swap him for Butland. At 26, he's got maybe 10 good seasons in him, plus a couple as a backup so £20m isn't that terrible. Better than any 30+ year old whose not playing regularly at any rate.

I can't find it but I'm sure I posted a few days back that if we can get our money back on Kalinic then we'd effectively be signing an England international who's just coming into his peak for £13m. I'm not a massive fan of Butland but I don't watch a huge amount of English football when we're not playing so I'd trust the huge number of coaches, scouts and managers who think he's one of the best keepers in the country.

I agree Chris, he may have had a little slump after a great start as a kid but he seems a great fit for us. FWIW, I thought Johnstone was a great keeper too, we wouldn't have finished so high if he wasn't in goal for us.

Johnstone was, and is, an average championship goalkeeper, he's a good shot stopper but his distribution is shit and he doesn't command his box. If he ever gets a decent run at a premier league club it'll be at someone like the baggies, norwich or cardiff where survival is the only target, because he doesn't offer enough to play higher, it's why i was never concerned when we didn't get him permanently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
For our first season back, playing catch up, a shot stopper sounds ideal. I'd love to dream that we'll continue playing on the front foot next season but realistically believe we'll have to walk before we can run.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 20, 2019, 05:53:46 PM
I don't rate Johnstone (never have) or Butland.
I'd be trying for either Heaton or Pope (not the Pope, but the goalkeeper Pope)
It's amazing how many people have come to the conclusion Butland isn't good enough.

I'm no expert on goalkeeprs, but what I do know is that he's 26, has been capped by England U16, U17, U19, U20, U21, Great Britain and has 9 full caps.

I'll bow down to people who genuinely know more about keeping than me, but that's a lot of coaches who have clearly rated him over a number of years and at an age where we could feasibly get 8 years service for our investment.

And yet have come to the conclusion that Heaton at 33 with 23 appearances in 2 years is. Or Pope who has been 3rd choice behind Heaton and Joe Hart's comedy show.

I'm not sure that it's even Butland himself that people have the problem with, I think it's the idea of paying £20m for a goalkeeper. But that's today's market. Pickford cost £25m and that's set the prices.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2019, 06:20:34 PM
For our first season back, playing catch up, a shot stopper sounds ideal. I'd love to dream that we'll continue playing on the front foot next season but realistically believe we'll have to walk before we can run.

You don't walk before you can run by signing players that don't fit the way you want to play, that's just a way to ensure you only ever walk if you already have those players then fine, use them whilst you have to but going out and buying new players that don't fit the team you want to build is just stupid.  Aside from that, a goalkeeper who can kick, throw and spot chances to counter-attack will always be good, regardless of how you play and Johnstone isn't so good a shotstopper as to be worth buying despite his many flaws. If he was remotely as good as some people have said on here he wouldn't be going into a 3rd season in the championship with no interest from above.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 20, 2019, 06:24:04 PM
Things seem to have gone quiet. Really need to get the baulk of new signings in before pre season training starts. Defence is a worry with so few numbers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 20, 2019, 06:28:55 PM
Apparently, we  have opened talks to sign the geezer from Huddersfield. Maybe just a stalking horse to get Mings over the line?.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 20, 2019, 06:41:50 PM
We need two more centre halves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2019, 06:48:02 PM
As it stands:
                         Steer
Guilbert (a fucked) Chester Hause Taylor
                        Hourihane
Jota         Grealish      SJM        El Ghazi
                         Wesley
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2019, 06:51:13 PM
Things seem to have gone quiet. Really need to get the baulk of new signings in before pre season training starts. Defence is a worry with so few numbers.

We haven't signed anyone for a week and it's gone quiet? We're not going to sign players every day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 20, 2019, 06:56:49 PM
As it stands:
                         Steer
Guilbert (a fucked) Chester Hause Taylor
                        Hourihane
Jota         Grealish      SJM        El Ghazi
                         Wesley

We’re ok Up front and in midfield then
Just at the back looks a bit ropey

no way will we be starting the season like that though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2019, 07:21:25 PM
We are limited to a signing every three days with the soft embargo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
We are limited to a signing every three days with the soft embargo.


The Soft Embargo sounds like a band.

Some sort of mid 70s experimental quartet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2019, 08:00:50 PM
Things seem to have gone quiet. Really need to get the baulk of new signings in before pre season training starts. Defence is a worry with so few numbers.

We haven't signed anyone for a week and it's gone quiet? We're not going to sign players every day.

Innit.

It's the third week in June, there's fucking ages till pre-season even starts. We've done way, way more business than we usually do by this point, and way more than almost all other clubs do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 20, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.

Tend to agree, we signed Friedel when he was 37. He was solid and didn't miss a single prem game over three seasons.

Friedal rarely missed a game throughout his career. According to Wikipedia, in the last two seasons, Heaton has played 4 games and 19 games respectively. Hardly a fair comparison.

He got a bad shoulder injury at start of 17-18 which gave an opportunity to previous unknown Nick Pope. He played so well Heaton couldn't get a look in from the bench when he recovered.

Then he was fit start of last season but they gave Joe Hart the chance. Somehow took until late December but Heaton came in and stayed in for rest of the season.

I think trying to make out he's injury prone is incorrect, he's played 200 times for Burnley since signing in 2013.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2019, 08:18:16 PM
Heaton is better than 'doing a job' for us. 33 seems old but for a goalkeeper isn't the end of the world, we'd probably get 3 years out of him and if a better/younger option comes along in the meantime he could spend the last year or 18 months of any such deal as our #2.

Given the other areas we need to strengthen, Butland is just too expensive for me at 20m. If he was obviously worth it, that would be a different story, but for me the jury's out. I would prefer Heaton or Pope with Steer pushing them for the shirt.

Tend to agree, we signed Friedel when he was 37. He was solid and didn't miss a single prem game over three seasons.

Friedal rarely missed a game throughout his career. According to Wikipedia, in the last two seasons, Heaton has played 4 games and 19 games respectively. Hardly a fair comparison.

He just needs a little time?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 20, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
Apparently, we  have opened talks to sign the geezer from Huddersfield. Maybe just a stalking horse to get Mings over the line?.

Maybe, or perhaps Mings ain't gonna happen after all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2019, 08:21:06 PM
Apparently, we  have opened talks to sign the geezer from Huddersfield. Maybe just a stalking horse to get Mings over the line?.

Maybe, or perhaps Mings ain't gonna happen after all.

On the bright side, the fact we have another option suggests we've covered our backsides in the case Mings doesn't come back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 20, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Apparently, we  have opened talks to sign the geezer from Huddersfield. Maybe just a stalking horse to get Mings over the line?.

Maybe, or perhaps Mings ain't gonna happen after all.

Unless anything has changed dramatically this week you can chill about Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2019, 08:33:29 PM
What side does the Huddersfield chap play on?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on June 20, 2019, 08:39:39 PM
What side does the Huddersfield chap play on?

Town signed Terence permanently after his succesful loan spell with the Club, where he established himself as a real fans’ favourite with some exceptional defending at left back and on the left side of a back three in 17 impressive appearances.


https://www.htafc.com/matches/first-team/defender/terence-kongolo2/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 20, 2019, 09:26:36 PM
I was in Bournemouth today. Pulled up next to a ridiculously modded Range Rover and I was absolutely sure it was going to be the emperor. It wasn’t, obviously.

However I did dine in the same restaurant Gazza was trashed in the other week so y’know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
Mings will sign. He will have told Bournemouth that and it’s literally about agreeing the deal. However the whole “announce Mings” obsession by some on Twitter is fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
The man turned back up in Bournemouth half cut and in his full kit. There's no danger that the Emperor will return.

We've had God, we've had King Olof. Be good to add to the Trinity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 20, 2019, 10:31:57 PM
We are limited to a signing every three days with the soft embargo.

Yes that's correct unless the day ends in letter Y. In that case 3 day rule is waived.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 20, 2019, 10:54:12 PM
It is a little concerning 're the incoming transfers given the sheer number of players we need to bring in with 10 having been just released (McCormack not even getting a mention on sky) and 3 loanees gone and not returned yet.

There is also a decent chunk of at best mid table championship players left in the squad who have no business playing in the top division (Bree, Taylor, Tshibola, Hogan, Lansbury, Kodjia, Nyland/Kalinic, BB).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2019, 11:11:22 PM
It is a little concerning 're the incoming transfers given the sheer number of players we need to bring in with 10 having been just released (McCormack not even getting a mention on sky) and 3 loanees gone and not returned yet.

There is also a decent chunk of at best mid table championship players left in the squad who have no business playing in the top division (Bree, Taylor, Tshibola, Hogan, Lansbury, Kodjia, Nyland/Kalinic, BB).

Kodjia's good enough to be a squad player for us in the Premiership, and there's probably no value in selling him, only to have to pay £15m+ for a replacement. I would imagine Taylor will kept on too, purely because of our lack of other options at left-back, and can see Nyland staying on as 3rd choice keeper, at least until January, given his injury problems. Although I don't disagree with you about Lansbury, I think he'll be given one last chance to make an impact too.

Bree I'm really not sure about. I think he's showed promise at times, but looked lost at others - although is that just symptomatic of a young-player not being given a long enough run in the team in his natural position? I can see another loan for him, possibly used as a part-exchange option if we're looking to sign players from Brentford or Bristol City, etc.

The others, I agree, can be moved on to the best paying customers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2019, 05:43:00 AM
Taken from a HTFC forum

“From all accounts it seems Kongolo is on mega money (even after the relegation clause), and now that we’re having to cut our cloth accordingly it’s in our best interest if we find an acceptable bid and move on even if we need to take a small loss. It pains me to say that as he’s going to be remembered as one of the best defenders we’ve ever had, and make many people’s all time town team in years to come, but having someone paid more than double the guy next to him is a problem in more ways than one”
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 21, 2019, 05:45:37 AM
I thought Mings had some kid of "matching offer" clause, which I'd taken as probably being we can buy him for £Xm on (insert date) unless there's a better offer, in which case we have to match it. Just speculation on my part, but I'd suspect Mings will be a Villa player next season, we're just going through the formalities of waiting for the set date so there's no better offer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2019, 05:51:59 AM
Taken from a HTFC forum

“From all accounts it seems Kongolo is on mega money (even after the relegation clause), and now that we’re having to cut our cloth accordingly it’s in our best interest if we find an acceptable bid and move on even if we need to take a small loss. It pains me to say that as he’s going to be remembered as one of the best defenders we’ve ever had, and make many people’s all time town team in years to come, but having someone paid more than double the guy next to him is a problem in more ways than one”


Looks like the LB we need https://youtu.be/4LUwYnNE0v4
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2019, 05:53:02 AM
I thought Mings had some kid of "matching offer" clause, which I'd taken as probably being we can buy him for £Xm on (insert date) unless there's a better offer, in which case we have to match it. Just speculation on my part, but I'd suspect Mings will be a Villa player next season, we're just going through the formalities of waiting for the set date so there's no better offer

Yes that will be it
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 21, 2019, 07:11:39 AM
The Dutch lad is a LB as opposed to a CB then? Where has he been playing for Huddersfield?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2019, 08:03:52 AM
The Dutch lad is a LB as opposed to a CB then? Where has he been playing for Huddersfield?
He's both.  A centre back who can play left back, just like Mings and Hause.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 21, 2019, 08:10:33 AM
Is that what we want? I’d have assumed Smith would be wanting an attacking full back who overlaps the wide player
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2019, 08:16:41 AM
Hoping we can have a few players in during the next couple of weeks.

By my reckoning we need:
Two central defenders (one if Chester is likely to be fit anytime soon)
One left back
One central midfielder
Two wingers
One centre forward (not including Wesley)

Plus maybe a keeper, though I'd be happy to see one leave first, and probably a few youngsters for the future as not many of our prospects seem particularly exciting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 21, 2019, 10:10:34 AM
Hoping we can have a few players in during the next couple of weeks.

By my reckoning we need:
Two central defenders (one if Chester is likely to be fit anytime soon)
One left back
One central midfielder
Two wingers
One centre forward (not including Wesley)

Plus maybe a keeper, though I'd be happy to see one leave first, and probably a few youngsters for the future as not many of our prospects seem particularly exciting.

Yeah that's about right. Maybe cover a couple of those with good loan signings. Like to see Axel back if possible.


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 21, 2019, 10:20:42 AM
I asked the Huddersfield fan at work about Kongolo, as I know nothing about him to be honest. He thinks he’s brilliant and said he couldn’t believe they had a player of that quality playing for them. He reckons he’d be a great signing for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2019, 10:42:46 AM
He can replace Congo Waring although he turned into Tiny Ears soon enough after wanting out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2019, 10:43:45 AM
I asked the Huddersfield fan at work about Kongolo, as I know nothing about him to be honest. He thinks he’s brilliant and said he couldn’t believe they had a player of that quality playing for them. He reckons he’d be a great signing for us.

That'll do for me.  Get him and Mings in and we're looking very solid.  All of our good teams of recent times have been built on the back of a good pairing, eg McGrath-Teale, Ugo-Southgate etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 21, 2019, 10:50:14 AM
I thought Mings had some kid of "matching offer" clause, which I'd taken as probably being we can buy him for £Xm on (insert date) unless there's a better offer, in which case we have to match it. Just speculation on my part, but I'd suspect Mings will be a Villa player next season, we're just going through the formalities of waiting for the set date so there's no better offer
Any matching offer clause is basically irrelevant. If Mings has a year to go on his contract  he is not obliged to go anywhere. If someone comes in with a higher offer, assuming we have made one, he can say he doesn't want to go there. But then Bournemouth can play difficult and not sell him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 21, 2019, 01:24:44 PM
His contract runs until 2022. If someone bids & we don't match it but Mings won't go there what can they do other than keep him.

It's only a matter of time before he signs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2019, 03:04:06 PM
I asked the Huddersfield fan at work about Kongolo, as I know nothing about him to be honest. He thinks he’s brilliant and said he couldn’t believe they had a player of that quality playing for them. He reckons he’d be a great signing for us.

That'll do for me.  Get him and Mings in and we're looking very solid.  All of our good teams of recent times have been built on the back of a good pairing, eg McGrath-Teale, Ugo-Southgate etc.

Mings, Hause and Kongolo are all left sided central defenders. Cover for Chester might be an idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on June 21, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
This is Villa. If we're not going to have 17 right-backs, we'll have 17 left-backs instead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 21, 2019, 05:08:25 PM
I asked the Huddersfield fan at work about Kongolo, as I know nothing about him to be honest. He thinks he’s brilliant and said he couldn’t believe they had a player of that quality playing for them. He reckons he’d be a great signing for us.

That'll do for me.  Get him and Mings in and we're looking very solid.  All of our good teams of recent times have been built on the back of a good pairing, eg McGrath-Teale, Ugo-Southgate etc.

Sad when "recent times" is actually a quarter of century ago!  So I'll add Laursen-Mellberg.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2019, 06:24:33 PM
Collins and Dunne were excellent in their first season, especially on their debuts at the sty. After that first season they went downhill fast.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 21, 2019, 06:31:31 PM
McGrath-Mountfield-Neilsen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Vlaar and Senderos looked great for one match.

That probably doesn't count though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on June 21, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
Vlaar and Senderos looked great for one match.

That probably doesn't count though.

Fuck me that seems a life time ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 21, 2019, 06:56:29 PM
At completely forgotten about Senderos ever playing for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2019, 08:12:59 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2019, 08:21:01 PM
Vlaar and Senderos looked great for one match.

That probably doesn't count though.

Fuck me that seems a life time ago.

A lifetime still seems too close for comfort.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 21, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

It is. You’re nicked !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 21, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

Yeah it is annoying.

I do like the idea of signing Dack though, he is a good player and we saw what life without Grealish was like when he was injured. If he picks up a knock this season and we have Jota and Dack around we might not suffer quite so much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2019, 10:06:35 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

Yeah it is annoying.

I do like the idea of signing Dack though, he is a good player and we saw what life without Grealish was like when he was injured. If he picks up a knock this season and we have Jota and Dack around we might not suffer quite so much.

The only time I've seen Dack is on a stream at the home game Vs Blackburn, which means I'm eminently qualified to say that he struck me as a bit of a fatty. A fatty with a trick, granted, but a fatty nonetheless.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 21, 2019, 10:18:22 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

Yeah it is annoying.

I do like the idea of signing Dack though, he is a good player and we saw what life without Grealish was like when he was injured. If he picks up a knock this season and we have Jota and Dack around we might not suffer quite so much.

The only time I've seen Dack is on a stream at the home game Vs Blackburn, which means I'm eminently qualified to say that he struck me as a bit of a fatty. A fatty with a trick, granted, but a fatty nonetheless.

Seen Blackburn a couple of times last season (Live in Lancs), is a lively player with good skill and works hard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 21, 2019, 10:30:46 PM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

Yeah it is annoying.

I do like the idea of signing Dack though, he is a good player and we saw what life without Grealish was like when he was injured. If he picks up a knock this season and we have Jota and Dack around we might not suffer quite so much.

The only time I've seen Dack is on a stream at the home game Vs Blackburn, which means I'm eminently qualified to say that he struck me as a bit of a fatty. A fatty with a trick, granted, but a fatty nonetheless.

Me too. He got taken off aswell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 21, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
Players like Dack are championship at very best, and if anyone wants a gamble on them at Prem level it’ll be Sheff Utd, nailed on. We should be aiming much higher.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2019, 11:21:58 PM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.

Agree.

His body shape is like mine - early 40s and he's just realised he has to exercise to lose weight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 21, 2019, 11:27:24 PM
Players like Dack are championship at very best, and if anyone wants a gamble on them at Prem level it’ll be Sheff Utd, nailed on. We should be aiming much higher.
Agree, in the second division maybe , but in the first , no. We can and will do better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2019, 11:54:50 PM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.

Agree.

His body shape is like mine - early 40s and he's just realised he has to exercise to lose weight.

I'm glad of the support Malandro, but I'm also early-40s and this exercise stuff seems like snake oil to me. Drink through it man!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2019, 11:59:57 PM
Any news on t'Blades wanting to take-up their option to sign Hogan permanently?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.

Agree.

His body shape is like mine - early 40s and he's just realised he has to exercise to lose weight.

I'm glad of the support Malandro, but I'm also early-40s and this exercise stuff seems like snake oil to me. Drink through it man!

You can do both! As another early-forties man I have started being virtuous by playing football once a week and then rewarding myself with four pints immediately afterwards. Simultaneously I have never felt worse or better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 22, 2019, 12:08:22 AM
‘Aston Villa could be preparing for life without Grealish by pursuing Dack’

I know reading clickbait is not good for your health but what sort of person makes up an article out of something like this? I suppose fiction is an acceptable literary genre, but really?!? It feels like a criminal offence!

Yeah it is annoying.

I do like the idea of signing Dack though, he is a good player and we saw what life without Grealish was like when he was injured. If he picks up a knock this season and we have Jota and Dack around we might not suffer quite so much.

The only time I've seen Dack is on a stream at the home game Vs Blackburn, which means I'm eminently qualified to say that he struck me as a bit of a fatty. A fatty with a trick, granted, but a fatty nonetheless.

Broadly Dack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 22, 2019, 06:27:38 AM
Dack is a fat bastard. We can do better than that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2019, 06:58:17 AM
If we signed Kongolo and Mings we would have 3 left sided defenders all comfortable at centre half and left back. I would imagine that Hause will be seen primarily as competition to Taylor next season because we can't get/ afford a new specialised left back. I also think we may see 3 at the back a few times next season. Plus, Mings and Hause are both left footed and formed a pretty reliable pairing for a decent chunk of our good run before Hause got injured, so it may not be a disaster to only have Chester that is right footed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2019, 08:29:12 AM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.

Agree.

His body shape is like mine - early 40s and he's just realised he has to exercise to lose weight.

I'm glad of the support Malandro, but I'm also early-40s and this exercise stuff seems like snake oil to me. Drink through it man!

You can do both! As another early-forties man I have started being virtuous by playing football once a week and then rewarding myself with four pints immediately afterwards. Simultaneously I have never felt worse or better.

Tip the balance 70/30 in terms of the latter.  No guarantees at all. But worth testing the theory.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on June 22, 2019, 09:48:57 AM
Any news on t'Blades wanting to take-up their option to sign Hogan permanently?

Not that I have seen, but QPR and Bristol City are apparently sniffing around for a loan deal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 22, 2019, 10:33:26 AM
 Apparently we're favourites to sign Helga Costa from wolves!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on June 22, 2019, 11:23:27 AM
Apparently we're favourites to sign Helga Costa from wolves!

Her brother Helder might be a better signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Yeltzer on June 22, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
Apparently we're favourites to sign Helga Costa from wolves!

No thanks
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 22, 2019, 11:30:24 AM
Something of the David Dunn about him that I don't like.

Agree.

His body shape is like mine - early 40s and he's just realised he has to exercise to lose weight.

Bit like Ross. His backside looks a bit too big for him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on June 22, 2019, 03:27:21 PM
Depends if he is going to be used as back up. Right now the squad is paper thin let
Alone a 1st 11.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 22, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
I wonder if we're genuinely interested in Costa or whether we may use him as a chip to get Phillips from Leeds?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
Hutton signed by Forest apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
He’ll be on the bench for MON along with the 3 other RB’s
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2019, 07:38:57 PM
Hutton signed by Forest apparently.

I thought he was going to Wigan. Clickbait shite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
Leeds want £30m for Phillips.

No thanks. He's going to be cheaper next summer if Leeds stay down, which they will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 22, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
Nobody had heard about Phillips 6 months ago, he's only worth whatever someone is prepared to pay & it isn't half of £30m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 22, 2019, 09:08:10 PM
Effectively pricing him out of the market and hoping the fact that he's a fan means that he wont rock the boat for a move. Pretty much what we did with Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2019, 09:10:36 PM
Effectively pricing him out of the market and hoping the fact that he's a fan means that he wont rock the boat for a move. Pretty much what we did with Grealish.

Yep, I'm not really sure why people seem to think Leeds are being unreasonable here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2019, 09:17:32 PM
He still looks better value than obi wan bissako
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 22, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
In a previous interview Deano said he wanted virtually all signings in for the pre season.
It’s been quoted on here we started about 10 light - resigning 2 loanees plus big Wes so still need approx 7 (and that’s before we lose any more fringe players like Hogan)
First pre season friendly / new squad bonding July 17th .
So, with 25 days to go, roughly a player signature every 3 and a bit days ......exciting but I can’t genuinely believe that we can afford another 7 or so quality players or will have the time to negotiate and get that many medical done in that amount of time
Thoughts....7 more about right ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2019, 09:30:37 PM
In a previous interview Deano said he wanted virtually all signings in for the pre season.
It’s been quoted on here we started about 10 light - resigning 2 loanees plus big Wes so still need approx 7 (and that’s before we lose any more fringe players like Hogan)
First pre season friendly / new squad bonding July 17th .
So, with 25 days to go, roughly a player signature every 3 and a bit days ......exciting but I can’t genuinely believe that we can afford another 7 or so quality players or will have the time to negotiate and get that many medical done in that amount of time
Thoughts....7 more about right ?

You're missing Jota and not accounting for Guilbert so more like 5 to come in and I suspect he'd be ok with 1-2 coming in a little later so it's more like 1 every 5-7 days.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2019, 09:34:16 PM
We will need to submit a squad of 25 and that doesn’t include some kids who don’t have to be registered. We have time but we are long way short of having the talent and depth to be competitive at the moment. The next few weeks I have no doubt will be very interesting and exciting as we fill those needs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 22, 2019, 10:11:54 PM
In a previous interview Deano said he wanted virtually all signings in for the pre season.
It’s been quoted on here we started about 10 light - resigning 2 loanees plus big Wes so still need approx 7 (and that’s before we lose any more fringe players like Hogan)
First pre season friendly / new squad bonding July 17th .
So, with 25 days to go, roughly a player signature every 3 and a bit days ......exciting but I can’t genuinely believe that we can afford another 7 or so quality players or will have the time to negotiate and get that many medical done in that amount of time
Thoughts....7 more about right ?

You're missing Jota and not accounting for Guilbert so more like 5 to come in and I suspect he'd be ok with 1-2 coming in a little later so it's more like 1 every 5-7 days.

Can probably count on Mings, which leaves 4 by your rationale. But we need more than 4. I would go 5 or 6 plus a couple of loanees.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2019, 10:20:32 PM
Hopefully Butler, Mings, Kangolo. That will give us a stronger defence from which to build.  And then the right winger, possibly Said Benrahma, and the DCM.  I also think we might go for a couple of loans.  At least five more, possibly as many as eight. We certainly need them all.  Strong first 13 or so but the bench/squad will also need to be strengthened in the January window.  I can honestly see us getting in at least two to three players from either Spain or wider europe, like we did with Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
In a previous interview Deano said he wanted virtually all signings in for the pre season.
It’s been quoted on here we started about 10 light - resigning 2 loanees plus big Wes so still need approx 7 (and that’s before we lose any more fringe players like Hogan)
First pre season friendly / new squad bonding July 17th .
So, with 25 days to go, roughly a player signature every 3 and a bit days ......exciting but I can’t genuinely believe that we can afford another 7 or so quality players or will have the time to negotiate and get that many medical done in that amount of time
Thoughts....7 more about right ?

You're missing Jota and not accounting for Guilbert so more like 5 to come in and I suspect he'd be ok with 1-2 coming in a little later so it's more like 1 every 5-7 days.

Can probably count on Mings, which leaves 4 by your rationale. But we need more than 4. I would go 5 or 6 plus a couple of loanees.

As I've said, in priority order: Defensive Midfielder, Left Back, Right-Side CB, Striker, Keeper and then a Winger who can play either side. That would still leave us with players like Bjarnason and Taylor as backup options but we'd be plenty strong enough to start the season. The Striker and CB priority really depends on how fit Chester is but I have my doubts that he'll ever properly recover.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 22, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
Effectively pricing him out of the market and hoping the fact that he's a fan means that he wont rock the boat for a move. Pretty much what we did with Grealish.

Yep, I'm not really sure why people seem to think Leeds are being unreasonable here.

It’s their prerogative, just as it was ours. It’s a shame from our point (and possibly his) though. We either move on or wait and see if things change.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 23, 2019, 02:04:47 AM
I'm not worried if Leeds price us out of the market for him. There's better out there for less than 30m for a certainty. FTF, let them rot in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2019, 06:00:48 AM
Hopefully Butler, Mings, Kangolo. That will give us a stronger defence from which to build.  And then the right winger, possibly Said Benrahma, and the DCM.  I also think we might go for a couple of loans.  At least five more, possibly as many as eight. We certainly need them all.  Strong first 13 or so but the bench/squad will also need to be strengthened in the January window.  I can honestly see us getting in at least two to three players from either Spain or wider europe, like we did with Wesley.
They have made it clear that we are no longer in the “getting in loans” business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
What does this mean about Philips?  This is from Nixon.

VILLA. Phillips fee stor out last night. Also working on lowering asking prices for Mings at BOURNEMOUTH and Etheridge at CARDIFF. Butland at STOKE too high for them and BOURNEMOUTH at this point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 23, 2019, 11:37:26 AM
What does this mean about Philips?  This is from Nixon.

VILLA. Phillips fee stor out last night. Also working on lowering asking prices for Mings at BOURNEMOUTH and Etheridge at CARDIFF. Butland at STOKE too high for them and BOURNEMOUTH at this point.

Phillips fee sorted out.....?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Stor?  I wonder if he meant to write sort?  Butland asking price far too much so we go back for Etheridge? Makes sense as Smith and Cutler know him well.  I imagine Bormuff want silly money because Mings had a great half season but our point will be that this was after years in the wilderness and that half season was in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
He meant "story", he clarifies in a subsequent Tweet.

I'm not linking to The S*n, but the story seems to be Leeds want £30 million. We don't want to pay £30 million. Or, in other words, there has been no development.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
Leeds can fuck off. Far better value out there and he’s not that good a player.  Hope they stay down for years, dirty scutters.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 23, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
Leeds can fuck off. Far better value out there and he’s not that good a player.  Hope they stay down for years, dirty scutters.

They're doing what we would with Grealish - trying to scare off buyers with a daft price. I don't blame them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2019, 01:59:50 PM
Offer twenty million, if they say no, move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 23, 2019, 02:04:17 PM
Leeds can fuck off. Far better value out there and he’s not that good a player.  Hope they stay down for years, dirty scutters.

They're doing what we would with Grealish - trying to scare off buyers with a daft price. I don't blame them

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2019, 02:16:06 PM
Was he the one smashing into Jack every 5 minutes up there in April?

For even 15m we can do much better looking at european DMs imo.

Not quite the same position but Everton are signing Andre Gomes for 25m from Barcelona. Gana is much better player than this Phillips and we got him for 8m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2019, 02:34:25 PM
Absolutely. Leicester signed Kante for 8m from Caen. Good players are all over the place. Linking us with domestic based players is an obvious thing to do. We have no idea whatever if any of this is true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 23, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
Heard Stoke want 30m for Butland!!
He's not overly happy there already, so I could imagine him being mightily p*ssed off at this rumour, if true
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 23, 2019, 02:39:42 PM
I didn't see much in Phillips to make me think we should pay £20M for him, much less £30M.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 23, 2019, 02:43:26 PM
Heard Stoke want 30m for Butland!!
He's not overly happy there already, so I could imagine him being mightily p*ssed off at this rumour, if true

Transfer request incoming from him imo. He reluctantly gave them one more season last summer with the promise he could go this summer if stoke didn’t bounce back. Heard we had a agreed deal with stoke of £18m and add on’s. They have now upped it to starting figures of £25/26m with further add ons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 23, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
If Butland and/or Phillips want to come, then they will. Stoke and Leeds are doing exactly what we’d do in their position. Ultimately, however, the player always gets what they want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on June 23, 2019, 03:40:35 PM
in that case , Butland more likely than Phillips, however not for the prices quoted thanks for either of them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 23, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
You obviously don't want to pay over the odds, but you don't want to try and be too clever. We don't want another Robbie Keane scenario! Prices/wages have rocketed with the new TV deal. Surely with multi billionaires in charge transfer fees shouldn't be an issue?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 23, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
It doesn't matter how rich your owners are, £55m for 2 players playing in the 2nd tier would be fucking mental.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on June 23, 2019, 04:16:33 PM
It doesn't matter how rich your owners are, £55m for 2 players playing in the 2nd tier would be fucking mental.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2019, 04:31:09 PM
No way are Stoke going to get that for Butland. No way are they going up next season either, so I would hang tight, and wait. He will be available for £15 next summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
Dani Alves is now available on a "free".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2019, 04:33:30 PM
Dani Alves is now available on a "free".

It would be nice to replace the scottish Cafu with the guy that replaced the real one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on June 23, 2019, 04:33:43 PM
Do these championship teams genuinely think other teams in the premier League won't just give up and look abroad for equal quality at a better price?

We did the same with Grealish but he was an exception to the rule to a degree.  These prices are madness. Much rather look abroad than pay £50 million for 2 players in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Re Butland and Phillips - don’t like either club particularly but after the last few seasons I don’t resent any team for trying to stop a PL team nicking their best players, or any player for showing a bit of loyalty to their team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on June 23, 2019, 04:41:36 PM
Phillips being much like Grealish I have no issue with him wanting to stay and give it another go to get promoted with his hometown team.

Butland on the other hand.....how exactly do Stoke justify his price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2019, 04:49:49 PM
By pointing to the silly money Everton paid Sunderland for that young boy they have in goal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 23, 2019, 05:35:34 PM
Phillips being much like Grealish I have no issue with him wanting to stay and give it another go to get promoted with his hometown team.

Butland on the other hand.....how exactly do Stoke justify his price.

Worse for them if they keep him, he’s on big money and they need to sell to get others in. He will probably join for 15-17 mil is my guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2019, 06:54:31 PM
Moussa Marega (Portugal) and Ben Gibson both linked if you believe the clickbaits.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
Phillips being much like Grealish I have no issue with him wanting to stay and give it another go to get promoted with his hometown team.

Butland on the other hand.....how exactly do Stoke justify his price.

By holding his registration. They are not obliged to sell him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 23, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Marega would only sign if big wes is turned down on his work permit as he is a carbon copy all be it a slightly shorter one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 23, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
A good keeper is worth points that could get you promoted. If they think it’s worth walking away from £20m by sticking a £30m price tag on him then they’ve done that calculation and good luck to them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2019, 09:16:12 PM
Heaton is beginning sound more appealing if Stoke and Cardiff continue to overprice their keepers. No, I don't blame them either!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
Not convinced Etheridge is that much better than Steer looking at his stats breakdown. Good shot stopper, but distribution etc seems quite poor. Butland always looks a solid keeper to me, almost a latter day Nigel Martyn type that will be a steady head in the goal, but it may be an external perception. I would soon have 2 more centre halves, a left back, a couple of holding mids, a winger and another striker over a keeper though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 23, 2019, 10:03:37 PM
Not sure you'd even pick up an Ngolo Kante type for the equivalent of anywhere near £8m these days, that was a few years ago and before the huge hike in TV money.  Both clubs and agents at home and abroad are fully aware that the EPL is awash with cash these days and prices have moved accordingly.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2019, 10:07:09 PM
It was still awash with cash four years ago. The art of spotting a gem for a bargain will live on, you just have to look hard and get lucky.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2019, 10:26:55 PM
Just look at McGinn last summer. At 2.75 million he has to be one of the bargains of the season. Norwich and Pukki too. You need top scouting and be willing to roll the dice though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2019, 11:10:44 PM
Just look at McGinn last summer. At 2.75 million he has to be one of the bargains of the season. Norwich and Pukki too. You need top scouting and be willing to roll the dice though.

I wouldn't want us to roll the dice too much this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2019, 11:52:15 PM
I think if we can get the core right, then for other positions you can. A couple of premier league class centre halves and a top quality holding midfielder to go with McGinn, Grealish and El Ghazi would be a good start. The other thing that I think is a must is a striker that can come in and be up to playing the lone striker role without too much trouble. Wesley and Kodjia are very much not proven at this level, we need someone that can be an alternative. Muapay looks very expensive (I think he will score goals the top level though) and we are not going to spend 25 million on him on top of 22 million on Wesley, so we need to be smart about finding another striker that will help us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 24, 2019, 12:35:02 AM
It was still awash with cash four years ago. The art of spotting a gem for a bargain will live on, you just have to look hard and get lucky.

Not as much.  There was quite a big hike in the TV money the season after we went down (fantastic timing), big enough to reduce the significance of Champs league money that had enabled the top few clubs to distance themselves a long way above the rest.

The best scouting systems should still be able to find the odd gem at a good price, but I think they are, and will continue to be, harder to get than a few years ago.  Compare £7m for Benteke 5 or 6 years ago to £22m for Wesley in 2019.   As for McGinn and Pukki, they may well prove to be such gems but neither are proven at top level.  Yet.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2019, 12:42:30 AM
And 11 years ago we spent around £9m on Curtis Davies, we've just spent £3m on Hause.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 24, 2019, 07:13:47 AM
I think if we can get the core right, then for other positions you can. A couple of premier league class centre halves and a top quality holding midfielder to go with McGinn, Grealish and El Ghazi would be a good start. The other thing that I think is a must is a striker that can come in and be up to playing the lone striker role without too much trouble. Wesley and Kodjia are very much not proven at this level, we need someone that can be an alternative. Muapay looks very expensive (I think he will score goals the top level though) and we are not going to spend 25 million on him on top of 22 million on Wesley, so we need to be smart about finding another striker that will help us.
I think you'd struggle to find a proven Premier League striker for less than £25m. You either have to spend big or take a gamble on an 'unproven' player.

I suspect we'll end up waiting for Chelsea's appeal to go through first until we get another striker. If their ban gets lifted, we'll buy Tammy. If not, there'll be someone else lined up to take his place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hillbilly on June 24, 2019, 07:22:23 AM
I'm always a bit nervous about strikers who score loads for one club in the lower divisions, mostly because of Guy Whittingham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on June 24, 2019, 07:49:18 AM
Big Ron decided whittingham should spend most of his time on the wing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 24, 2019, 08:22:10 AM
Big Ron decided whittingham should spend most of his time on the wing!

We’ve often unsuccessfully played strikers on the wing haven’t we. Does my head in. The classic we need goals managers decision.

Kodjia
Gabby
Weiman (I think)
Did we try Bent or am I making this up?

I reckon Andre Green will leave us and become a reasonably proficient striker too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2019, 08:31:02 AM
Big Ron decided whittingham should spend most of his time on the wing!

We’ve often unsuccessfully played strikers on the wing haven’t we. Does my head in. The classic we need goals managers decision.

Kodjia
Gabby
Weiman (I think)
Did we try Bent or am I making this up?

I reckon Andre Green will leave us and become a reasonably proficient striker too.

In terms of strikers being asked to do a shift elsewhere, nothing will ever beat Marlon Harewood being asked to do a job to shore things up at the back against Spurs and then costing us the game
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 24, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2019, 08:41:58 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on June 24, 2019, 09:40:04 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
I recall Hadji being on the pitch but don’t remember him playing.
😇
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 24, 2019, 10:16:46 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
I recall Hadji being on the pitch but don’t remember him playing.
😇

I remember him playing pretty well for Coventry in the fantastic 3 - 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 10:32:12 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
I recall Hadji being on the pitch but don’t remember him playing.
😇

I remember him playing pretty well for Coventry in the fantastic 3 - 2.

It earnt him his promotion to Villa. It was in apparently in the contracts of Coventry players that if they played well they'd get to move to Villa, they'd just have perform in their Villa Park audition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 10:32:17 AM
Hadji was a player out of time. If he played now he'd be a near perfect right winger in the modern 433/343. We generally tried to shoe-horn him in as a left or right sided midfielder in a standard 442 and he looked lost.

Going back  a few posts, Gabby when he first broke into the team and Weimann when he came through were, in my opinion, perfect to play left and right of a 3, Gabby was a bit too bulky by the time we put him there but he still looked very good at the role at times.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 24, 2019, 11:01:33 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
I recall Hadji being on the pitch but don’t remember him playing.
😇

talking of Hadji  , Id have  that u21 romanian player . .   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 11:16:12 AM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

Hadji, bloody hell - had completely forgotten he played for us. You're right though.
I recall Hadji being on the pitch but don’t remember him playing.
😇

talking of Hadji  , Id have  that u21 romanian player . .   

He looks a fantastic prospect, and is surely available given he's currently playing in the Romanian leagues. I've seen some ropey links to Arsenal and some stronger ones to Sevilla but he'd be worth a look at the £7-9m level that been suggested. He'd be great as the option off the bench for Jota and then replacing him over time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2019, 12:10:57 PM
That's Georgie's lad isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 24, 2019, 12:55:45 PM
So when do we think the next signing will be - this week, multi buys next week.

They are back to training soon so I would have thought their main business would have been done by then.

Maybe I am just impatient  :-[
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 12:58:59 PM
That's Georgie's lad isn't it?

Yep.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
That's Georgie's lad isn't it?

Yep.

The bloke with the chip shops in Erdington and Sutton?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 24, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
And 11 years ago we spent around £9m on Curtis Davies, we've just spent £3m on Hause.

You should know that MONomics defied all logic.  Anyway he also sold Cahill for 5m and the fee for a Davies now would be nearer £19m or even £29m.  Not sure how we got Hause so cheap - perhaps Wolves know something we don't?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tony scott on June 24, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
I would sign Rondon ,won’t be to expensive and can play the lone striker role when it’s needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
And 11 years ago we spent around £9m on Curtis Davies, we've just spent £3m on Hause.

You should know that MONomics defied all logic.  Anyway he also sold Cahill for 5m and the fee for a Davies now would be nearer £19m or even £29m.  Not sure how we got Hause so cheap - perhaps Wolves know something we don't?

It's mostly because the fee was already in the loan agreement and at that point he hadn't played much for over a year and was heading towards leaving on a free next summer. I reckon we'd have been quoted double if we hadn't had the agreement in place, Same for AEG as well, this is why Purslow has been clear about not taking loans without a future fee agreement included.

Mings would've been £6-7m if we'd got an agreement for him as well but they thought they might get a bit more if he had a good few months. i still think the Mings fee (which will be undisclosed) will end up being in the £12-15m mark, which is still meaning we'll pay double what we would've if we'd signed him outright in Jan. Talk of £20m is nonsense (although there might be clauses that could see it go to that).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2019, 02:40:19 PM
And 11 years ago we spent around £9m on Curtis Davies, we've just spent £3m on Hause.

You should know that MONomics defied all logic.  Anyway he also sold Cahill for 5m and the fee for a Davies now would be nearer £19m or even £29m.  Not sure how we got Hause so cheap - perhaps Wolves know something we don't?

It's mostly because the fee was already in the loan agreement and at that point he hadn't played much for over a year and was heading towards leaving on a free next summer. I reckon we'd have been quoted double if we hadn't had the agreement in place, Same for AEG as well, this is why Purslow has been clear about not taking loans without a future fee agreement included.

Mings would've been £6-7m if we'd got an agreement for him as well but they thought they might get a bit more if he had a good few months. i still think the Mings fee (which will be undisclosed) will end up being in the £12-15m mark, which is still meaning we'll pay double what we would've if we'd signed him outright in Jan. Talk of £20m is nonsense (although there might be clauses that could see it go to that).
And 11 years ago we spent around £9m on Curtis Davies, we've just spent £3m on Hause.

You should know that MONomics defied all logic.  Anyway he also sold Cahill for 5m and the fee for a Davies now would be nearer £19m or even £29m.  Not sure how we got Hause so cheap - perhaps Wolves know something we don't?

It's mostly because the fee was already in the loan agreement and at that point he hadn't played much for over a year and was heading towards leaving on a free next summer. I reckon we'd have been quoted double if we hadn't had the agreement in place, Same for AEG as well, this is why Purslow has been clear about not taking loans without a future fee agreement included.

Mings would've been £6-7m if we'd got an agreement for him as well but they thought they might get a bit more if he had a good few months. i still think the Mings fee (which will be undisclosed) will end up being in the £12-15m mark, which is still meaning we'll pay double what we would've if we'd signed him outright in Jan. Talk of £20m is nonsense (although there might be clauses that could see it go to that).

You can see why they didn't opt for a full deal with Mings though, with his horrendous injury record.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 24, 2019, 02:49:21 PM
Benitez off then

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2019, 03:02:49 PM
Benitez off then



As unconvinced as we all are about Neil Taylor being good enough at LB, I'm not sure if fat Rafa is the answer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2019, 03:30:01 PM
Benitez off then



Be a good time to purchase any decent players they have. If they have any!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 24, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
Heskey in central midfield was interesting. Also Hadji played at right-back and all across midfield; but was definitely a striker for Coventry.

NRC at centre back was another interesting move but i can’t remember which manager did that
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 24, 2019, 03:53:54 PM
Benitez off then



Be a good time to purchase any decent players they have. If they have any!

Expect Gary Monk to buy Che Adams for them and maybe Gary Gardner
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 24, 2019, 04:00:32 PM
Robert Skov should be on our radar
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
As unconvinced as we all are about Neil Taylor being good enough at LB, I'm not sure if fat Rafa is the answer.
I've never seen Rafa at LB, but I suspect he's a little old.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 24, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
Martin O'Neill has signed Sammy Ameobi. I'm pretty sure that that was the last piece of the Armageddon jigsaw.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
Martin O'Neill has signed Sammy Ameobi. I'm pretty sure that that was the last piece of the Armageddon jigsaw.

His modern day Marlon Harewood signing. A myriad of options and like us they end up with not even a has been, but a never was. I can't imagine too many Forest fans are pegging it down to the shop to get Ameobi on their kits.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 24, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
James Collins still looking for a club?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
A nightclub, most likely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 24, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
I like the notion of a now 97 year old Collins scything it about from left back. Hutton right wing. And Richard Dunne, with a fag in one hand and scotch in the other, as the new Bibs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 24, 2019, 07:35:14 PM
I like the notion of a now 97 year old Collins scything it about from left back. Hutton right wing. And Richard Dunne, with a fag in one hand and scotch in the other, as the new Bibs.

sad to say I’d probably go and watch that
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 24, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
Benitez off then



Be a good time to purchase any decent players they have. If they have any!

Expect Gary Monk to buy Che Adams for them and maybe Gary Gardner

I believe that both Gary and Craig were die hard Toon fans in their youth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 24, 2019, 09:01:07 PM
Should he stay or should he go...

Jonathan Kodjia could be putting himself in the shop window with this performance which saw him playing as a lone striker. It was interesting to note that Wilfried Zaha started on the bench and came on in the 2nd half.

On his performance in this match he is worth £10 million on his performance for us last season he is worth £6 million.

So the question is would you sell Jonathan and if yes how much would you take for him?



Aston Villa's Jonathan Kodjia scored the only goal of the game as Ivory Coast edged past South Africa in their opening Group D encounter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48658643

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 24, 2019, 09:13:04 PM
So the question is would you sell Jonathan [Kodja] and if yes how much would you take for him?
He's 29 and in the last year of his contract.  Flog him for whatever we can get, within reason
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2019, 09:40:57 PM
I would happily take 6m for Kodjia tbh. If we hadn't gone up and needed a fire sale, he'd have gone for less.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 24, 2019, 09:41:04 PM
So the question is would you sell Jonathan [Kodja] and if yes how much would you take for him?
He's 29 and in the last year of his contract.  Flog him for whatever we can get, within reason

Definitely. The player he is now could have been an exciting PL player ten years ago, but the game's not the same. If I'm brutally honest, in my opinion, if he stays and plays for us next season, it'd be a sign that we might be in a spot of bother.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2019, 10:15:26 PM
Sell but we need at least two strikers in with Hogan also likely to leave, an unproven Brazilian and Davies best suited to a year on-loan in the Ch'ship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 10:29:30 PM
I'd keep him if he's happy to be cover from the bench and the odd start, we have loads of work to do this summer so anyone who stands a chance of being a decent squad option in the premier league should be kept if we can. It means losing out on a few million quid, which is a shame, but we'd never get worthwhile replacement with the money we get for him so that's a false economy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 24, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
Sell.  Since injury he's been average in the Championship and will likely be even less effective in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 24, 2019, 11:07:23 PM
Let’s hope Ivory Coast go all the way, Kodjia bags a hatful and we can demand whatever we want. I’m still giggling at his dab at the Albion semi as Brunt went off the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on June 24, 2019, 11:32:51 PM
If he does that some new found confidence might be more useful for us. Anybody of even occasional PL quality i'd the loathed to see leave with our current squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 11:40:39 PM
I'd keep him if he's happy to be cover from the bench and the odd start, we have loads of work to do this summer so anyone who stands a chance of being a decent squad option in the premier league should be kept if we can. It means losing out on a few million quid, which is a shame, but we'd never get worthwhile replacement with the money we get for him so that's a false economy.

I'm with you on this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2019, 11:48:52 PM
I'd keep him as we won't get much anyway. If he gets back to his old self he might earn himself a new contract. If he doesn't, then he'll leave next summer with my best wishes.

We still need another forward, not counting Wesley, regardless.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
In his prime, was not good enough for the PL. and he is nowhere near his prime.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2019, 09:36:42 AM
He can be exciting to watch when he’s up for it but very inconsistent too. Take the money and run where Jimmy Danger is concerned. Use him in a swap if possible. When he’s playing, it’s a case of hope, rather than expectation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 25, 2019, 10:54:28 AM
You can't keep offloading players! The squad is already wafer thin as it is. We always seem to offload without adequate replacements lined up - look where that got Bruce at the end of the August window! No defensive cover.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
I'd take Hernandez from west ham to be fair for a nominal fee. Has energy for days and I've always liked him. To bridge the gap for a season or  2 until we can afford to spunk loads on a world class striker
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 25, 2019, 12:39:00 PM
I think he's on a big whack at West Ham. My brother's a season ticket holder and wants rid of him, I hope we can do better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2019, 12:45:51 PM
I would prefer us to do better but I dont think we can afford it!
I would be amazed if the lb we need isn't around the 15mil mark, the cdm or 2 a combined 30-40 million ish mark a winger around the 20 mil mark and another striker around the 20 million mark.

I just cant see us spending another 95 million and that doesn't include minges or a keeper. So I think we will get 2 maybe 3 smart price options in and replace them next year so I expect us to be shopping for a a cheap cdm another cheap winger and another cheap striker to supplement and I would rather have someone like Hernandez than Austin or long. Maybe we will go in for welbeck?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 25, 2019, 12:55:29 PM


I just cant see us spending another 95 million and that doesn't include minges or a keeper.

Oh dear god, here we go............... 🙄🙄
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on June 25, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
I just cant see us spending another 95 million and that doesn't include minges or a keeper.

Is that the plural of minge?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 25, 2019, 01:09:16 PM
"Hernandez than Austin or long. Maybe we will go in for welbeck?"

As the Burnley ditty goes No, Nay, Never.......no more dinosaurs just because they have "Premier League experience", all sounds very Stevie Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: D.boy on June 25, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
I just cant see us spending another 95 million and that doesn't include minges or a keeper.

Is that the plural of minge?
Greedy, that's what it is. You only have one todger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 25, 2019, 03:59:51 PM
"Hernandez than Austin or long. Maybe we will go in for welbeck"

Are this the minges you mentioned?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 25, 2019, 04:13:06 PM
Mary Hinges
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 25, 2019, 04:31:08 PM
Hernandez still seems useful in that 90th minute goalmouth scramble kind of way, but other names like Charlie Austin? It all sounds dangerously Borini to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 25, 2019, 04:33:03 PM
Who is the oldest player that Smith has bought in so far
signings or loan ?

Edit - it’s not a trick question I’m just interested to know
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
Martin O'Neill has signed Sammy Ameobi. I'm pretty sure that that was the last piece of the Armageddon jigsaw.

Google his name and it comes up with the headline 'Nottingham Forest Fans React To Sammy Ameobi signing'. I reckon you can guess what that reaction is. For some reason they seem somewhat underwhelmed by the signing of a striker who has scored 14 goals in nine seasons and 183 games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2019, 04:49:29 PM
At least he didn't go for Nile Ranger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 04:54:08 PM
Who is the oldest player that Smith has bought in so far
signings or loan ?

Edit - it’s not a trick question I’m just interested to know

Jota or Kalinic, think they're both 28.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 25, 2019, 04:59:16 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 25, 2019, 05:00:43 PM
Who is the oldest player that Smith has bought in so far
signings or loan ?

Edit - it’s not a trick question I’m just interested to know

Jota or Kalinic, think they're both 28.

Thanks
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on June 25, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2019, 05:07:21 PM


I just cant see us spending another 95 million and that doesn't include minges or a keeper.

Oh dear god, here we go............... 🙄🙄

What the hell was I googling for mings to get auto corrected to minges ffs haha
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2019, 05:07:23 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please

All of the best keepers in the world are foreign.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2019, 05:13:08 PM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please

Agreed. Yashin, Schmeichel and Buffon were all wank.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 25, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please

Agreed. Yashin, Schmeichel and Buffon were all wank.

think he’s more talking about our recent goalie signings not fucking Buffon
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 25, 2019, 06:34:52 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please

Agreed. Yashin, Schmeichel and Buffon were all wank.

think he’s more talking about our recent goalie signings not fucking Buffon

He's definitely not talking about fucking Buffon. At least, I don't think he is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 25, 2019, 06:39:27 PM
Goalie Edouard Mendy on ClickBait
Nooo not another foreign keeper please

Agreed. Yashin, Schmeichel and Buffon were all wank.

think he’s more talking about our recent goalie signings not fucking Buffon

He's definitely not talking about fucking Buffon. At least, I don't think he is.

I don't know. Pagliuca was a handsome chap when he popped into The Bartons to see us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 25, 2019, 06:41:25 PM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on June 25, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Guaranteed shirt seller
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: purpletrousers on June 25, 2019, 06:48:04 PM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2019, 06:52:31 PM
Spurs apparently signing the young lad Clarke from Leeds for £8.5m which if true is a good deal. How the fuck that makes the lad we are after £30m is beyond me (if you believe the media)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2019, 07:42:32 PM
Spurs apparently signing the young lad Clarke from Leeds for £8.5m which if true is a good deal. How the fuck that makes the lad we are after £30m is beyond me (if you believe the media)

I am struggling to understand why we are not in for the lad either, specially at that price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Well, I was undecided but I'm definitely not shagging him now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 25, 2019, 08:13:11 PM
Spurs apparently signing the young lad Clarke from Leeds for £8.5m which if true is a good deal. How the fuck that makes the lad we are after £30m is beyond me (if you believe the media)

I am struggling to understand why we are not in for the lad either, specially at that price.

Smells of classic Levy pushing the media to me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 25, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...

Tell her to squeeze it back up! There are signings to be done here!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 25, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...

Sending messages on H and V while your wife is giving birth... I take it you're a laid back kind of guy. Just a warning if it's your first, things get worse shortly, but don't worry it all comes to an end and you will forget the pain when you see your new child. I think it's pretty tough for the woman, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 25, 2019, 10:00:19 PM
My daughter was born at five-to-four in the morning and the selfish bleeders didn't have a chair for me in the delivery room.  The missus was all right, she was lying down.

Best of luck to you both Purpletrousers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
Speculation on Stoke City twitter that Butland to Villa is done.  Reported elsewhere!

Good luck to those of you having children.  Best thing in life.  Try not to cry!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2019, 10:33:14 PM
We need to get cracking on a few signings. I see Gomes has joined Everton and Spurs are about to lash out £65m on Tanguy Ndombele from Lyon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
I'm hoping we will have a mad week soon where we sign about half a dozen players. I don't think my nerves can take us still being desperately short of players with days or even hours of the transfer window left.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2019, 10:39:00 PM
I'm not sure Spurs signing their first player since Jan 2018 is any reason for us to panic!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 10:46:48 PM
We need to get cracking on a few signings. I see Gomes has joined Everton and Spurs are about to lash out £65m on Tanguy Ndombele from Lyon.
Here he is stretching the jumper:

(https://i.ibb.co/kckhCfM/images.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kckhCfM)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 25, 2019, 11:44:15 PM
Martin O'Neill has signed Sammy Ameobi. I'm pretty sure that that was the last piece of the Armageddon jigsaw.

Google his name and it comes up with the headline 'Nottingham Forest Fans React To Sammy Ameobi signing'. I reckon you can guess what that reaction is. For some reason they seem somewhat underwhelmed by the signing of a striker who has scored 14 goals in nine seasons and 183 games.

Classic O'Neill.  Next trick, sell Joe Lolley for 5m and replace him with Aiden McGeady.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2019, 12:04:30 AM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...

Oh yeah...weren't you going to name the nipper with a name beginning with 'V' if we won the play-offs?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2019, 12:14:25 AM
I dont have a single clue who Spurs have just signed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 26, 2019, 07:27:07 AM

Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...
Good luck. A bluescouse supporting mate of mine called his son Evan Tom, which impressed me endlessly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 26, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
Adam Davies has just signed for Stoke. He was keeper of the year at Barnsley in League 1 so that could be a sign that Butland is on his way somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
Apparently Villa and Norwich have both expressed an interest in Reims 'keeper Edouard Mendy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
I read somewhere else last night that Smith is on holiday, it was suggested this week and next and although business will still be in swing we're unlikely to see a great deal announced until he's back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
Rumours about £23m for Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2019, 10:41:27 AM
I dont have a single clue who Spurs have just signed.

Seems they're also in for Jack Clarke from Leeds, 8m. Would've thought we'd have been in for that price considering his impact at VP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: purpletrousers on June 26, 2019, 10:44:40 AM
Any chance of getting an African Reverser between the sticks?

The African Mrs asked why I laughed aloud, just had to try to explain the ACR thread, she is smiled sweetly in response occasionally drifting off between contractions...

Sending messages on H and V while your wife is giving birth... I take it you're a laid back kind of guy. Just a warning if it's your first, things get worse shortly, but don't worry it all comes to an end and you will forget the pain when you see your new child. I think it's pretty tough for the woman, too.

Oh yeah...weren't you going to name the nipper with a name beginning with 'V' if we won the play-offs?

So yes middle named after our victory sorted (initials AV ;) ) sorted, and well it’s a marathon not a sprint I’ve learned, but I think we’re maintaining form for the run in and hope to conclude the season at home with a home fixture, so far we’ve not had to play away.

Thanks for the well wishing guys, hoping to coincide our announcement with the Emperor, though it looks like we might beat him..:
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2019, 10:46:01 AM
Ndombele is scary good I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 26, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Ndombele is scary good I think.

Would you describe him as a beast?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2019, 11:08:02 AM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Giovanni,
Leeds è un buco di merda, vorrai andare a casa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hillbilly on June 26, 2019, 11:11:29 AM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Giovanni,
Leeds è un buco di merda, vorrai andare a casa.
Giovanni,
No al fascismo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 26, 2019, 11:15:41 AM
Martin O'Neill has signed Sammy Ameobi. I'm pretty sure that that was the last piece of the Armageddon jigsaw.

Google his name and it comes up with the headline 'Nottingham Forest Fans React To Sammy Ameobi signing'. I reckon you can guess what that reaction is. For some reason they seem somewhat underwhelmed by the signing of a striker who has scored 14 goals in nine seasons and 183 games.

Classic O'Neill.  Next trick, sell Joe Lolley for 5m and replace him with Aiden McGeady.

I was sat next to a Forest fan on the flight to Porto the other week. I was surprised at how unpopular MON is with their fan base already. I thought they’d cut him some slack, having been a legend as a player but this guy really disliked him.

He actually said to me; “You got rid of your dinosaur, we’re stuck with ours”.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2019, 11:37:20 AM
It’s astonishing he still manages to get these gigs on a model of playing and transfer philosophy ten years passed its best. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2019, 11:42:23 AM
It’s astonishing he still manages to get these gigs on a model of playing and transfer philosophy ten years passed its best. 
It's more than that, his out of date approach is why we hit a ceiling of 6th and that 11-12 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Giovanni,
Leeds è un buco di merda, vorrai andare a casa.
Giovanni,
No al fascismo.

Guys who the hell is Giovanni Buffon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2019, 11:57:46 AM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Giovanni,
Leeds è un buco di merda, vorrai andare a casa.
Giovanni,
No al fascismo.

Guys who the hell is Giovanni Buffon.

I'm Giovanni Buffon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
Anyone getting a bit worried?  Lots of players apparently being priced out.  £30m being quoted for someone I have never heard of from Bristol City now. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
You could buy their entire team for that. Tell them to get fucked.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 26, 2019, 12:07:52 PM
Man U just paid £50m for Wan Bissaka (SP)....£50m!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2019, 12:12:09 PM
Who?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2019, 12:13:25 PM
Loads better value out there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 26, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
We've signed more players than any other PL club so far.  Quite a few haven't made a single signing yet. There's a lot more activity to come for all clubs.  Admittedly we need more rebuilding than most but we have a head start.  There are a lot of piss take fees being bandied around at the moment by selling clubs and a lot of other bluff and bluster.   When buyers refuse to bite or go elsewhere I suspect some better value will be available later in the window. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wolfman999 on June 26, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
We've signed more players than any other PL club so far.  Quite a few haven't made a single signing yet. There's a lot more activity to come for all clubs.  Admittedly we need more rebuilding than most but we have a head start.  There are a lot of piss take fees being bandied around at the moment by selling clubs and a lot of other bluff and bluster.   When buyers refuse to bite or go elsewhere I suspect some better value will be available later in the window. 

I hope you're right because we look weak as piss at the moment. Hopefully, things are happening behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on June 26, 2019, 12:32:33 PM
I’m not worried yet, the market and the domino effect has barely started up. Let’s see where we are in another 2/3  weeks.

I’m sure both Butland and Mings are agitating like mad their end to get things moving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
Anyone getting a bit worried?  Lots of players apparently being priced out.  £30m being quoted for someone I have never heard of from Bristol City now. 

I get the feeling that's how it always is each year and as pre-season/season approach, clubs realise they have players who want to move and that they could buy several players for the money they would get for them so there's progression over negotiations. We seem to be a lot further down the track this year than we normally are (admittedly we need to be). Just remember when O'Neill manager and how much business was done at the last minute.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on June 26, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
Buffon's been linked with Leeds this week.

Giovanni,
Leeds è un buco di merda, vorrai andare a casa.
Giovanni,
No al fascismo.

Guys who the hell is Giovanni Buffon.

I'm Giovanni Buffon.

I don't know about Giovanni, but Gigi Buffon is being heavily linked with a return to Juve here. The idea being that he will be the back-up keeper for a year before taking a boardroom-level role at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 26, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
Man U just paid £50m for Wan Bissaka (SP)....£50m!!!!

I genuinely think the media  / sky have bumped this deal up and put loads of pressure on United to make a big signing - if so then good I hope it back fires in  spectacular fashion

£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous. I am as impatient as the next person in wanting signings done but would rather be relegated again than fall into that stupid circus.

They glamourize how much transfers are and how much is being spent year on year on the TV shows then look puzzled when smaller teams are forced to copy the model and end up in trouble.

It is the single biggest reason for me to really not like the premiership
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
Sarkic our 3rd choice keeper has gone on loan to Livingston for the season. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 26, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
This lad looks like he's got a big future in the game, but 50 million after one good season is madness. Didn't City pay that for Walker not so long ago ? I guess there is a premium on young English players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
I thought he looked a brilliant talent for Palace last season, and thought he would go for £30 ish million this summer. £50 million just shows the market has jumped again from where it was 12-18 months ago. 20% has gone onto every fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 26, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
the market also jumps as soon as United get involved as well. £50m is bonkers but he's hardly unheard of and had a brilliant season last year. He's a Palace graduate though and so they hold all the cards - if United are willing to pay, then more fool them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 26, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
I thought he looked a brilliant talent for Palace last season, and thought he would go for £30 ish million this summer. £50 million just shows the market has jumped again from where it was 12-18 months ago. 20% has gone onto every fee.

You might want to recheck your working on that one!  That's 66.6% uplift.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on June 26, 2019, 01:49:48 PM
Then PSG wanting their €200M back on Neymar to go back to Barcelona is a bargain!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2019, 02:22:58 PM
This lad looks like he's got a big future in the game, but 50 million after one good season is madness. Didn't City pay that for Walker not so long ago ? I guess there is a premium on young English players.

Similar and that was after 5 really good seasons
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 26, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
Wesley must be bored out of his mind over at the Belfry. Is this going to get done?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2019, 03:51:41 PM
Wesley must be bored out of his mind over at the Belfry. Is this going to get done?

Bored? He's down to a three handicap!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DBTW on June 26, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
£13m bid rejected for Adam Webster from Bristol City according to Sky Sports
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 26, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
£13m bid rejected for Adam Webster from Bristol City according to Sky Sports

Wiki' tells me he plays for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
I read that as Andreas Weimann initially. Yikes!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 26, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
£13m bid rejected for Adam Webster from Bristol City according to Sky Sports
They want £30M for him.  He's played about 100 second tier games.  No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on June 26, 2019, 04:54:43 PM
I know nothing about the player, but if we are really interested in him, I'd imagine the final agreed figure would be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2019, 04:58:18 PM
Man U just paid £50m for Wan Bissaka (SP)....£50m!!!!

I genuinely think the media  / sky have bumped this deal up and put loads of pressure on United to make a big signing - if so then good I hope it back fires in  spectacular fashion

£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous. I am as impatient as the next person in wanting signings done but would rather be relegated again than fall into that stupid circus.

They glamourize how much transfers are and how much is being spent year on year on the TV shows then look puzzled when smaller teams are forced to copy the model and end up in trouble.

It is the single biggest reason for me to really not like the premiership

He has Garth Crooks to thank for some of that price tag for sure
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 26, 2019, 04:59:56 PM
Just read that Ipswich have a sell on clause for Webster, which is why they seem to be taking the piss, if true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2019, 05:04:15 PM
Man U just paid £50m for Wan Bissaka (SP)....£50m!!!!

I genuinely think the media  / sky have bumped this deal up and put loads of pressure on United to make a big signing - if so then good I hope it back fires in  spectacular fashion

£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous. I am as impatient as the next person in wanting signings done but would rather be relegated again than fall into that stupid circus.

They glamourize how much transfers are and how much is being spent year on year on the TV shows then look puzzled when smaller teams are forced to copy the model and end up in trouble.

It is the single biggest reason for me to really not like the premiership

He was excellent last season, probably overpriced but that's how it seems to be now. No different to some not knowing who Richarlison was before Everton bought him despite how good he often looked for Watford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2019, 05:07:41 PM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
Weren't Arsenal and Citeh rumoured to be prepared to pay forty or fifty million quid for Albion's Jonny Evans two or three years back? Personally I am surprised Maguire is still at Leicester. Another one Manure were apparently prepared to spend a fortune on last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2019, 05:33:27 PM
I thought he looked a brilliant talent for Palace last season, and thought he would go for £30 ish million this summer. £50 million just shows the market has jumped again from where it was 12-18 months ago. 20% has gone onto every fee.

What I thought (30 million) and what the market would pay a year ago don't necessarily correlate. Bloody accountant types. Go for the numbers not the context.

You might want to recheck your working on that one!  That's 66.6% uplift.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 26, 2019, 05:50:13 PM
Webster is alright but presumably the price should be similar to what Bournemouth gubbed out for Mepham from Brentford I.e. circa £16m. I am not sure we would necessarily fancy him anyway. Is he right footed?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 26, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
The Championship clubs are all obviously shitting themselves about FFP, and so are trying to indulge in daylight robbery to sort their P&Ls out.  The danger with that of course, is that they put all potential buyers off, then they end up in trouble over their accounts.    £30m for Webster is absolutely nonsensical.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

I genuinely hadn't heard of him until today.

I imagine I probably watched at least one Crystal Palace match last season but I don't remember it.

I also hadn't heard of Richarlison until he signed for Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 06:11:13 PM
I really tuned out of the PL so me too. There’s loads of players who wouldn’t have the foggiest if they were worth the daft money being spent on them. £50m for a full back. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 26, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
As it goes on Obi Wan Bissaka, we asked about signing him. Then fucked off immediately when we were told what they were looking to screw Man Ure for. If we are willing to shell out a shitload on a full back it bodes well for forthcoming transfers though. It was never a formal bid, more a "do you reckon he might fancy and we would pay up x" question.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 26, 2019, 06:20:59 PM
We've signed more players than any other PL club so far.  Quite a few haven't made a single signing yet. There's a lot more activity to come for all clubs.  Admittedly we need more rebuilding than most but we have a head start.  There are a lot of piss take fees being bandied around at the moment by selling clubs and a lot of other bluff and bluster.   When buyers refuse to bite or go elsewhere I suspect some better value will be available later in the window.
I'm just drawing conclusions based on very little here, but I reckon Stoke signing a new keeper's allowed us to move in for Butland, that's now been sorted and the last part - Kalinic moving back to France (hinted in papers) - is underway. Sarkic moving out on loan is part of that, cos we know our keepers for next season will be Butland, Steer & Nyland. We're probably confident of Kalinic going, with the £7m or whatever going to take the edge off the Butland fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 26, 2019, 06:26:11 PM
In other random news, and this could be bollocks, Kodjia to Stoke might be one to look out for. I most definitely cannot vouch for the person who told me that so make of it what you wish but might tie in with the Butland chatter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 26, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
I hate this fucking market. "Inflated" doesn't quite cover it. Nonsensical and downright offensive at times is a bit closer perhaps
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on June 26, 2019, 06:34:23 PM
I really tuned out of the PL so me too. There’s loads of players who wouldn’t have the foggiest if they were worth the daft money being spent on them. £50m for a full back. Fucking hell.

He had a good season at Palace but if you saw his performance in the U21s' against France last week you wouldn't have bid more than 500k.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 26, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
Webster is alright but presumably the price should be similar to what Bournemouth gubbed out for Mepham from Brentford I.e. circa £16m. I am not sure we would necessarily fancy him anyway. Is he right footed?

It will also influence what we can bid for Mings, as I’m sure ~Bournemouth will ask for £Webster+£5m as they know we consider Mings a more complete player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2019, 07:42:06 PM
Just get Mings in for 15m and signed a decent european CB for 5-10m. One of best CBs in premier league last year was Fabian Schar who Newcastle signed for about 3m.

Way I see it we need some top level experience and leadership in the key areas of centre back, DM and also international class striker. Get those three right and we'll be comfortable mid table.

Just sign all championship players and I fear the inital optimism at VP in August will quickly fade, similar to Lambert's first season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on June 26, 2019, 07:43:47 PM
Just thinking similar. If you went above £20m for a championship defender you’d be getting much worse value than shopping on the continent, without much reduction in risk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 26, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
I wouldn't be shopping much in the home market either. And if Motherwell haven't sold Turnbull yet I would have four million on the table quick smart right about now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 26, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

Sorry but I paid no interest in the premier league last season as we were not in it. We have been for 5 minutes and already the over pricing is starting to grind.

I know the feeling that if you fill your team with championship grade players we will end up back there but I would rather be relegated by taking chances on more "unknown" talent that is coached into a motivated team than be held to ransom over ridiculous prices for one season wonders

Sorry
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2019, 08:01:59 PM
Times were different of course but think back 15 years ago 3/4 defence were Mellberg, Laursen and Bouma. That cost us barely 15m. 10 years ago we then signed likes of Shorey, Dunne and Collins for double that amount and didn't get great longevity from any of them, add in Curtis Davies and Zat Knight who came in 2007.

I have no problem with getting Mings in given his inspirational performances in the run in but would be disappointed if we signed another CB from the championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 08:06:36 PM
There are players who can step up to the PL from the Championship but the immense deals PL clubs (now including us off course) have got from TV just drives everything up. It's absolutely understandable that when a lower league team sees the money being lased around for players, some who have just emerged on the scene that they will want top money for their players. We did it with Jack, clubs are doing it to us. And especially in June. It just means the whole transfer business machine slows down unless you are willing to pay stupid money to just get it done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 26, 2019, 08:24:06 PM
Well we do have a history of unearthing gem centre halves from the lower leagues or Scotland so who knows Webster might be worth a punt.  The absence of any YT clips doesn’t help though!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 26, 2019, 08:25:19 PM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

Heard of him, sure. Heard enough about him or seen enough of him to think he could possibly warrant a £50m price tag at this moment in time? Different story

He might end up justifying it over time of course. Or be a cautionary tale about lacking any discernable scouting system for many years to come.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 26, 2019, 08:25:37 PM
Pre-season training is fast approaching and the squad is wafer thin. Getting players in late doesn't give them adequate time to bed in, especially from abroad. At this rate someone else will steal in for Mings. Sorry,  but I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 26, 2019, 08:34:59 PM
Pre-season training is fast approaching and the squad is wafer thin. Getting players in late doesn't give them adequate time to bed in, especially from abroad. At this rate someone else will steal in for Mings. Sorry,  but I'm not impressed.

Really? You should've mentioned it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 26, 2019, 08:35:11 PM
So is Webster right or left footed?? I can’t find anything to tell me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 26, 2019, 08:41:00 PM
Pre-season training is fast approaching and the squad is wafer thin. Getting players in late doesn't give them adequate time to bed in, especially from abroad. At this rate someone else will steal in for Mings. Sorry,  but I'm not impressed.

Really? You should've mentioned it.

Sarcastic!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
I have to say as much as I am keen to see us making signings I can’t fail to be amused when I read some of the absolute garbage written on Twitter under #avfc - some of it outdoes the nonsense on sha forums :-) ‘pay whatever for Mings’, ‘why just crap from Championship’,’just swap him for him’,’get on with it Villa’

For me I fully trust the mgmt and will happily back whatever signings they chose to make, personally I actually don’t see a huge deal of difference between standard of good Championship sides and those 8th downwards in Premier League - sides like Watford with Cathcart, Deeney, Hughes - Leicester when they came up with Vardy, Drinkwater, Morgan - Burnley with Mee, Heaton, Tarkowski - Bournemouth with Cook, Francis, Daniels, Wilson - Brighton with Dunk, Duffy - skimming off the best that the Championship has to offer & moulding them into a team with good coaching and team spirit is fine, I would expect to see a couple of signings from the continent also to supplement those players....you know, like the 22m striker we’ve already signed.

Can’t say i’ve even noticed Webster (in fact it was after Christmas before realised Flint wasn’t at Bristol anymore and Baker wasn’t a starter!) but if Dean & co have seen something they can work with that’s fine.  Phillips & Butland a little more and would be quite happy with both.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2019, 08:58:20 PM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

Sorry but I paid no interest in the premier league last season as we were not in it. We have been for 5 minutes and already the over pricing is starting to grind.

I know the feeling that if you fill your team with championship grade players we will end up back there but I would rather be relegated by taking chances on more "unknown" talent that is coached into a motivated team than be held to ransom over ridiculous prices for one season wonders

Sorry

I'm not sure you have anything you need to apologise for.

As you say, you didn't really take an interest in leagues that Villa aren't in, so there's no reason you would have heard of him. Which is absolutely fine.

People who do take an interest though will have heard of him. More people follow the league he plays in than any other in the world, and he played well enough in it that he's about to move to one of the bigger teams in it for £45m. So anyone who does take an interest in it will have heard of him.

But "I'm not interested and I've never heard of him" and "I doubt anybody has ever heard of him" are a pretty long way apart.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 26, 2019, 09:24:39 PM
I trust in Dean and the team but it looks as if we've been a little bit naive in assuming we could cherry-pick from 'lesser' sides once promoted. If reports of rejected bids are true and we're sticking to our valuations, our shortlist is going to run pretty thin eventually. Let's hope Wesley is as good as his fee suggests, or we'll have overpaid for a gamble while refusing to budge on known talents.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2019, 09:26:56 PM
I'm happy enough with what we've done so far. A couple more would have been nice but the surprise of the Wesley deal just shows we don't know what's round the corner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2019, 09:27:29 PM
Let's hope Wesley is as good as his fee suggests, or we'll have overpaid for a gamble while refusing to budge on known talents.

Who are the known talents that you're concerned we're not budging for?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
I imagine players are just back from holidays. Not much has happened yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2019, 09:34:05 PM
I trust in Dean and the team but it looks as if we've been a little bit naive in assuming we could cherry-pick from 'lesser' sides once promoted. If reports of rejected bids are true and we're sticking to our valuations, our shortlist is going to run pretty thin eventually. Let's hope Wesley is as good as his fee suggests, or we'll have overpaid for a gamble while refusing to budge on known talents.

Your basically basing all that from what we have supposedly been doing. Rejected bids may not have happened at all. Things might be in the pipeline, who knows? Just chill and what will be will be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 26, 2019, 09:49:46 PM
As Paul said, most players and staff are only returning now and we've been far more active than most clubs. I think most of our signings will be like Wesley and we'll only hear of the deal once it's done. It's annual thing on H and V, people get their knickers in a twist about a lack of signings and speculation about the new kit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2019, 09:58:06 PM
As Paul said, most players and staff are only returning now and we've been far more active than most clubs. I think most of our signings will be like Wesley and we'll only hear of the deal once it's done. It's annual thing on H and V, people get their knickers in a twist about a lack of signings and speculation about the new kit.

Exactly - we have 4 signings so far. I'd hope a similar number by this time next month - maybe one or two more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
When does training start for us and when does the window shut, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2019, 10:03:52 PM
Yes I know all that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes with Valentin Rongier coming to us. Skilful midfielder
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2019, 10:34:59 PM
Yes I know all that.

Dick!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 26, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I trust in Dean and the team but it looks as if we've been a little bit naive in assuming we could cherry-pick from 'lesser' sides once promoted. If reports of rejected bids are true and we're sticking to our valuations, our shortlist is going to run pretty thin eventually. Let's hope Wesley is as good as his fee suggests, or we'll have overpaid for a gamble while refusing to budge on known talents.

So on the one hand you’re worried we are not offering enough and then in the same breadth concerned we’ve overpaid for Wesley!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2019, 10:43:23 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes with Valentin Rongier coming to us. Skilful midfielder

Not for the first time then. We would have to give them cash plus Kalinic.

From the 18th - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/06/18/could-aston-villa-attempt-swap-deal-for-valentin-rongier/.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2019, 10:48:29 PM
With Elmo and Kodjia at the ACON tournament, they will be late back to training.  At this rate, we may only have about 16 players reporting to training when they come back next week!  Three of those are keepers too, although Nyland (and Chester) are crocked!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2019, 10:54:08 PM
So we swap Lovre with Valentin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2019, 11:06:03 PM
So we swap Lovre with Valentin.

Well played sir!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 27, 2019, 01:14:09 AM
I have to say as much as I am keen to see us making signings I can’t fail to be amused when I read some of the absolute garbage written on Twitter under #avfc - some of it outdoes the nonsense on sha forums :-) ‘pay whatever for Mings’, ‘why just crap from Championship’,’just swap him for him’,’get on with it Villa’

For me I fully trust the mgmt and will happily back whatever signings they chose to make, personally I actually don’t see a huge deal of difference between standard of good Championship sides and those 8th downwards in Premier League - sides like Watford with Cathcart, Deeney, Hughes - Leicester when they came up with Vardy, Drinkwater, Morgan - Burnley with Mee, Heaton, Tarkowski - Bournemouth with Cook, Francis, Daniels, Wilson - Brighton with Dunk, Duffy - skimming off the best that the Championship has to offer & moulding them into a team with good coaching and team spirit is fine, I would expect to see a couple of signings from the continent also to supplement those players....you know, like the 22m striker we’ve already signed.

Can’t say i’ve even noticed Webster (in fact it was after Christmas before realised Flint wasn’t at Bristol anymore and Baker wasn’t a starter!) but if Dean & co have seen something they can work with that’s fine.  Phillips & Butland a little more and would be quite happy with both.

Our current squad has a number who would struggle at an ambitious championship club I'd suggest. Without the loanees and the genius of Grealish and McGinn, you are looking at a mid table championship squad at best.

Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).

Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2019, 08:07:26 AM
Our planning wasnt weeks behind. Smith confirmed we had made two plans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2019, 08:40:39 AM
.... Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).
Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.
Your first para above is a statement of the bleedin' obvious for most of us.
As Ads says, there was some scenario planning going on apparently, and they have cracked on and done the deals that were there to be done, with 4 players coming in. I suspect the reality is that the club honestly did not expect to get promotion at Smith's first attempt, and so - yes - there is some catch-up. However, most clubs start trading in earnest after the June 30th deadline passes.
As for Mings: Bournemouth are doing what all well-run clubs would do - playing the market. I'm sure they know that Mings will eventually come to B6 but if Ake is also 'in play' they will want to leverage as much from both players so that they themselves can get decent replacements in. Purslow / Jesus will be playing similar games in scouting alternatives for  Mings and making sure Bournemouth know that.
And your comment re Vardy: I agree we could do with one, and I hope that one is being scouted!
The 2 absolutely key acquisitions are a LB and a DMF: failure to bring at least one of each in and we certainly will struggle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 10:41:37 AM
.... Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).
Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.
Your first para above is a statement of the bleedin' obvious for most of us.
As Ads says, there was some scenario planning going on apparently, and they have cracked on and done the deals that were there to be done, with 4 players coming in. I suspect the reality is that the club honestly did not expect to get promotion at Smith's first attempt, and so - yes - there is some catch-up. However, most clubs start trading in earnest after the June 30th deadline passes.
As for Mings: Bournemouth are doing what all well-run clubs would do - playing the market. I'm sure they know that Mings will eventually come to B6 but if Ake is also 'in play' they will want to leverage as much from both players so that they themselves can get decent replacements in. Purslow / Jesus will be playing similar games in scouting alternatives for  Mings and making sure Bournemouth know that.
And your comment re Vardy: I agree we could do with one, and I hope that one is being scouted!
The 2 absolutely key acquisitions are a LB and a DMF: failure to bring at least one of each in and we certainly will struggle.

I agree on those 2 if Mings happens (which i'm confident it will), Mings, or another centre back is the most important signing. Hause and Chester are literally the only centre backs we have in the senior squad. If either of them were to get injured right now then we're either playing Bree or putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman. With Chester's injury problems we probably still need another one with Chester and the 3 I named then becoming the backup options. Harsh on Chester but if he's as badly broken as it seems then he's not going to play regularly enough to offer much more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

I genuinely hadn't heard of him until today.

I imagine I probably watched at least one Crystal Palace match last season but I don't remember it.

I also hadn't heard of Richarlison until he signed for Everton.


Watching Palace on MOTD last season was like groundhog day. Zaha goes down in the area penalty given, Zaha goes down in the area penalty given, Zaha goes down in the area penalty given.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2019, 10:55:47 AM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes with Valentin Rongier coming to us. Skilful midfielder


We should take him on a temporary basis. It would be great to see 'The Loan Rongier' in a Villa shirt. Hi Ho Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 27, 2019, 10:57:34 AM
Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.

More like £100m plus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2019, 11:02:45 AM
I'm willing to offer £10 million plus Hogan.

Have we got a deal?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 27, 2019, 11:37:47 AM
Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.

More like £100m plus.

Of which Man Utd get 25%.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 27, 2019, 11:42:24 AM
Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

About £80m if the BBC were correct yesterday in their link with him and Arsenal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2019, 12:00:41 PM
... putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman.
I thought Suliman had been released?
Agree with the rest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
... putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman.
I thought Suliman had been released?
Agree with the rest.

I didn't think so but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 27, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Do you think we were too hasty to release the likes of Jedi / Whelan etc without direct replacements coming in or do we think it is all part of the cunning plan.

I am not really bothered about any of the other players released as the only one I think that would have been a starter (Tammy) has been replaced almost immediately. Obviously Mings we should sign but I think this is more Bournemouth trying to play hard ball to get a little more cash so I am hopeful it is only detail that's holding it up.

But the DM role is pivotal to our improvement
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SW9-VILLA on June 27, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
Can't understand people's arses flapping when it's still June. Some people just love being miserable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 27, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
Can't understand people's arses flapping when it's still June. Some people just love being miserable.

Obviously nothing is decided yet. However I have to say, even with a few additions, at the level we've been shopping I can well see next season turning into a struggle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes with Valentin Rongier coming to us. Skilful midfielder


We should take him on a temporary basis. It would be great to see 'The Loan Rongier' in a Villa shirt. Hi Ho Aston Villa!

If we go down that route we would also need to sign David Silva.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 27, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
Can't understand people's arses flapping when it's still June. Some people just love being miserable.


You cheery barsteward.  I am happy being sad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 01:44:23 PM
I understand people getting a bit twitchy but I also think Villa fans in general have a bit of a habit of over-estimating how good other teams are (I guess it's natural brummie pessimism). Norwich won't be anything like as effective in the premier league, Sheffield Utd look pretty weak and then Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle (as it stands) and Burnley all look pretty average as well.

I don't think we need to do a huge amount of business to be better than most of those if we can get the team working as we want, and I trust Smith and the coaches to do that part after the improvement we saw last season.

This is what I meant when I asked what 'competitive' means on the Mings thread, does it mean being the best of that group of teams or does it mean pushing on further to challenging people like West Ham, Everton and Wolves for the top 8? I assume no one is genuinely thinking any higher than that.  For me personally it means not being worried about relegation at Easter for next season, we all know that it's a big step up and that Bruce left us with a mess of a squad that will take some time to fix so staying up without too much drama is as far as I'm willing to look.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on June 27, 2019, 01:47:10 PM
Can't understand people's arses flapping when it's still June. Some people just love being miserable.

Obviously nothing is decided yet. However I have to say, even with a few additions, at the level we've been shopping I can well see next season turning into a struggle.

It's still pretty early in the transfer window, and at this stage the only signings I would expect to see happen at those lesser known players moving up a level or two (where there's not a huge amount of transfer competition), and players moving for very big money (where there's not a huge amount of competition, but for different reasons).  Most of the parallel moves between top tier clubs are only likely to start once the merry-go-round gets underway. I would guess our preferred DM is perhaps in this bracket - so unlikely to move unless his club can secure a replacement, which requires movement in the market as a whole.

I would LOVE to see everyone signed before pre-season gets underway, but the reality is that this will only happen if their club doesn't want them, or they don't care/worry about getting replacements.  Yes, we're in the premier league again, but we're not shopping at the top of the food chain, so the chances are a few moves will have to take place before we get the chance to secure our preferred targets.

I'll start to worry a little if we get to the end of July and still don't have a first choice DM replacement for Jedi/Whelan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jcsutv on June 27, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
Smith is not Bruce. I’m confident he will go into the season with the right number of players in the right positions. After last summer it’s understandable that some are twitchy, but I think we are in good hands with Deano.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2019, 01:55:57 PM
I understand people getting a bit twitchy but I also think Villa fans in general have a bit of a habit of over-estimating how good other teams are (I guess it's natural brummie pessimism). Norwich won't be anything like as effective in the premier league, Sheffield Utd look pretty weak and then Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle (as it stands) and Burnley all look pretty average as well.
And they'll all be strengthening just as we are.  They may or may not achieve that better than we do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 02:06:30 PM
I'm willing to offer £10 million plus Hogan.

Have we got a deal?
I think that's a fair offer however I would include a box, full box, of Balti Chicken Pukka Pies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 27, 2019, 02:14:18 PM
Do you think we were too hasty to release the likes of Jedi / Whelan etc without direct replacements coming in or do we think it is all part of the cunning plan.

I am not really bothered about any of the other players released as the only one I think that would have been a starter (Tammy) has been replaced almost immediately. Obviously Mings we should sign but I think this is more Bournemouth trying to play hard ball to get a little more cash so I am hopeful it is only detail that's holding it up.

But the DM role is pivotal to our improvement

I really thought we would give Whelan another year, so that we didn't suggests they are confident of replacing him, or he had something else on the table.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 27, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
do we think any of the kids will step up ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2019, 02:25:25 PM
do we think any of the kids will step up ?
I'm afraid not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2019, 02:38:06 PM
I'm willing to offer £10 million plus Hogan.

Have we got a deal?
I think that's a fair offer however I would include a box, full box, of Balti Chicken Pukka Pies.

No deal, sorry. I want them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 27, 2019, 02:40:31 PM

You cheery barsteward.  I am happy being sad.

Have you got sunshine in a bag?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 03:03:20 PM
I understand people getting a bit twitchy but I also think Villa fans in general have a bit of a habit of over-estimating how good other teams are (I guess it's natural brummie pessimism). Norwich won't be anything like as effective in the premier league, Sheffield Utd look pretty weak and then Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle (as it stands) and Burnley all look pretty average as well.
And they'll all be strengthening just as we are.  They may or may not achieve that better than we do.

That's always true but my point is that squads, as they are today, the only place where we're significantly weaker than any of them is centre back (until Mings joins) and Grealish, Mcginn and AEG are a better attacking group than most.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2019, 03:18:42 PM
... putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman.
I thought Suliman had been released?
Agree with the rest.

I didn't think so but I might be wrong.
Hmmm, maybe he is still with us.
14 appearances in three loan outings does not augur well, unless the loan-clubs were poorly selected.
He needs to step up or move out, it looks like.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2019, 03:33:40 PM
In the news from a defender-focus:
"Celtic have reportedly agreed a £7m deal with Toulouse for centre-back Christopher Jullien ...
... Bristol City have turned down a £12m offer from Aston Villa for Adam Webster, who is also wanted by Leicester and Everton. Sheffield United could make Kilmarnock defender Stephen O’Donnell their first signing of the summer" - lifted from the Grauniad rumour mill.

I've no idea about Julien or O'Donnell, but they look better value than Brissol's valuation of Webster.



Edit: Julien certainly looks more interesting than O'Donnell, based on a brief view of Wikipedia and Transfermarkt
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 27, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
Two Love Island stars leave the villa in shock late night dumping...
In the Mirror, do we know who???
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 27, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
Aston Villa squad building Summer 2019

Basic squad members plus squad backups in brackets;

After the dust settled on our Wembley win the squad looked like this with young squad players in brackets; loans returned to their own clubs, our loans coming back to us, transfers already agreed coming in etc

GK;    Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, (Sarkic)
CB;    Chester,
LB;    Taylor,
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Tshibola,
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Gardner (O’Hare)
AL;    
AR;    (Green)
ATT;  Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players = 17 (+5)

Even the most blinkered fan recognised that this squad is at least 5 players short and probably 8.
We don’t know all the detail but a decent estimate looking at the changes in cost would be;

Squad Costs; year-on-year

(promotion wage increases and bonuses = £10m+ p.a.)
(player clear-out saves >£20m on wages, costs >£4m payoffs = net £16m)

Net benefit in this first year = £6m

Transfers In;

Jota       £4m (saves us £1m with Gardner going the other way); wages £2m p.a.
Hause    £3m; wages £1.5m p.a.
El Ghazi    £4.5m; wages £2m p.a. (loan fee comes off gross transfer fee)
Wesley   £22m; wages £3m p.a.

Total to date =    fees £33.5m; wages addition £7.5m p.a.

This is where we are now, this weekend. At least 3 new first-team players and a significant squad improvement from before. All good. I’m happy so far. But where do we go from here? Sarkic has gone on a season-long loan already.

Option 1; the ‘consolidation-on-the-cheap’ route

Benrhama          £10m; wages £2m p.a.
Mings      £15m; wages £3m p.a.
Rongier      £9m; wages £2.5m p.a. with Kalinic going the other way, wages reduction £2m pa.

New Total =   fees £34m; wages +£5.5m p.a.

Then add 2 loans or 2 frees;

Total =      fees £67.5m; wages +£18m p.a.

This would be the squad;

GK;    Steer, Nyland,
CB;    Chester, Hause, Mings
LB;    Taylor,
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Rongier, Tshibola
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Jota, (O’Hare)
AL;    El Ghazi,
AR;    Benrhama, (Green)
ATT; Wesley, Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players = 22 (+6)

Affordable (around £85m all-in for this first year back in the PL), not risky with FFP, retains team cohesion but adds quality, gives a solid platform for first part of new season, develops attacking style using El Ghazi and Benrhama as wide strikers not just wingers, provides cover where we need it (don’t forget Hause can play left back and Guilbert can play centre back).

It’s a thin squad with meagre backup, no question about that, but it IS one capable of playing attractive football and staying up in this first year barring major injuries. And that would be the worry, wouldn’t it? The January window could address some of these deficiencies and secure survival while the 2 loans or frees would provide some cover for the most lean positions.

A squad like that would be good to watch for much of the season up to Christmas for us.


Option 2; the ‘I-want-it-ALL-and-I-want-it-NOW’ route

Butland      £22m; wages £3m p.a.
Benrhama           £10m; wages £2m p.a.
Mings      £15m; wages £3m p.a.
Tomori       £12m; wages £2m p.a.
Rongier      £9m; wages £2.5m p.a. with Kalinic going the other way, wages reduction £2m pa.
Maupay           £14m; wages £3m p.a. (Hogan going the other way saves £2m wages)
Targett      £14m; wages £2.5m p.a.

New Total =   fees £96m; wages +£21.5m p.a.

Then add 2 loans or 2 frees;

Total =      fees £129.5m; wages +£26.5m p.a.

Players = 25 (+6)

This would be the squad;
GK;    Butland, Steer, Nyland
CB;    Chester, Hause, Mings, Tomori
LB;    Targett, Taylor
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Rongier, Tshibola
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Jota, (O’Hare)
AL;    El Ghazi,
AR;    Benrhama, (Green)
ATT; Wesley, Maupay, Kodjia, Davis, (Hepburn-Murphy)

At £156m all-in for this first year back that’s probably pushing FFP boundaries hard and might even be pushing financing facilities as well. It would undoubtedly give us a squad capable of not just staying up but being comfortable BUT only if the large problem of getting it all to gel together is successfully managed by the coaching staff. With at least 11 new members in a squad of 25 (13 0r so in the whole squad) that’s too much change to cope with all in one go, in my opinion. We’d be in great danger of ‘doing a Fulham’.
 
But it is tempting, isn’t it?

Which way will Deano go?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on June 27, 2019, 05:41:09 PM
Aston Villa squad building Summer 2019

Basic squad members plus squad backups in brackets;

After the dust settled on our Wembley win the squad looked like this with young squad players in brackets; loans returned to their own clubs, our loans coming back to us, transfers already agreed coming in etc

GK;    Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, (Sarkic)
CB;    Chester,
LB;    Taylor,
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Tshibola,
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Gardner (O’Hare)
AL;    
AR;    (Green)
ATT;  Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players = 17 (+5)

Even the most blinkered fan recognised that this squad is at least 5 players short and probably 8.
We don’t know all the detail but a decent estimate looking at the changes in cost would be;

Squad Costs; year-on-year

(promotion wage increases and bonuses = £10m+ p.a.)
(player clear-out saves >£20m on wages, costs >£4m payoffs = net £16m)

Net benefit in this first year = £6m

Transfers In;

Jota       £4m (saves us £1m with Gardner going the other way); wages £2m p.a.
Hause    £3m; wages £1.5m p.a.
El Ghazi    £4.5m; wages £2m p.a. (loan fee comes off gross transfer fee)
Wesley   £22m; wages £3m p.a.

Total to date =    fees £33.5m; wages addition £7.5m p.a.

This is where we are now, this weekend. At least 3 new first-team players and a significant squad improvement from before. All good. I’m happy so far. But where do we go from here? Sarkic has gone on a season-long loan already.

Option 1; the ‘consolidation-on-the-cheap’ route

Benrhama          £10m; wages £2m p.a.
Mings      £15m; wages £3m p.a.
Rongier      £9m; wages £2.5m p.a. with Kalinic going the other way, wages reduction £2m pa.

New Total =   fees £34m; wages +£5.5m p.a.

Then add 2 loans or 2 frees;

Total =      fees £67.5m; wages +£18m p.a.

This would be the squad;

GK;    Steer, Nyland,
CB;    Chester, Hause, Mings
LB;    Taylor,
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Rongier, Tshibola
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Jota, (O’Hare)
AL;    El Ghazi,
AR;    Benrhama, (Green)
ATT; Wesley, Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players = 22 (+6)

Affordable (around £85m all-in for this first year back in the PL), not risky with FFP, retains team cohesion but adds quality, gives a solid platform for first part of new season, develops attacking style using El Ghazi and Benrhama as wide strikers not just wingers, provides cover where we need it (don’t forget Hause can play left back and Guilbert can play centre back).

It’s a thin squad with meagre backup, no question about that, but it IS one capable of playing attractive football and staying up in this first year barring major injuries. And that would be the worry, wouldn’t it? The January window could address some of these deficiencies and secure survival while the 2 loans or frees would provide some cover for the most lean positions.

A squad like that would be good to watch for much of the season up to Christmas for us.


Option 2; the ‘I-want-it-ALL-and-I-want-it-NOW’ route

Butland      £22m; wages £3m p.a.
Benrhama           £10m; wages £2m p.a.
Mings      £15m; wages £3m p.a.
Tomori       £12m; wages £2m p.a.
Rongier      £9m; wages £2.5m p.a. with Kalinic going the other way, wages reduction £2m pa.
Maupay           £14m; wages £3m p.a. (Hogan going the other way saves £2m wages)
Targett      £14m; wages £2.5m p.a.

New Total =   fees £96m; wages +£21.5m p.a.

Then add 2 loans or 2 frees;

Total =      fees £129.5m; wages +£26.5m p.a.

Players = 25 (+6)

This would be the squad;
GK;    Butland, Steer, Nyland
CB;    Chester, Hause, Mings, Tomori
LB;    Targett, Taylor
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;    Rongier, Tshibola
CM;    McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;    Grealish, Lansbury, Jota, (O’Hare)
AL;    El Ghazi,
AR;    Benrhama, (Green)
ATT; Wesley, Maupay, Kodjia, Davis, (Hepburn-Murphy)

At £156m all-in for this first year back that’s probably pushing FFP boundaries hard and might even be pushing financing facilities as well. It would undoubtedly give us a squad capable of not just staying up but being comfortable BUT only if the large problem of getting it all to gel together is successfully managed by the coaching staff. With at least 11 new members in a squad of 25 (13 0r so in the whole squad) that’s too much change to cope with all in one go, in my opinion. We’d be in great danger of ‘doing a Fulham’.
 
But it is tempting, isn’t it?

Which way will Deano go?



Probably somewhere in the middle, but I can't see Taylor being first choice LB, so I think option 1 is out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2019, 05:52:12 PM
I don't like the look of Option 1 or 2.  That squad you end up with looks very weak to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 27, 2019, 05:52:30 PM
I understand people getting a bit twitchy but I also think Villa fans in general have a bit of a habit of over-estimating how good other teams are (I guess it's natural brummie pessimism). Norwich won't be anything like as effective in the premier league, Sheffield Utd look pretty weak and then Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle (as it stands) and Burnley all look pretty average as well.

I don't think we need to do a huge amount of business to be better than most of those if we can get the team working as we want, and I trust Smith and the coaches to do that part after the improvement we saw last season.

This is what I meant when I asked what 'competitive' means on the Mings thread, does it mean being the best of that group of teams or does it mean pushing on further to challenging people like West Ham, Everton and Wolves for the top 8? I assume no one is genuinely thinking any higher than that.  For me personally it means not being worried about relegation at Easter for next season, we all know that it's a big step up and that Bruce left us with a mess of a squad that will take some time to fix so staying up without too much drama is as far as I'm willing to look.
That's pretty much my thoughts. No need to panic, it's still June and we'll be contending with players & managers on holiday - not just the ones we want to buy, but also whoever we're buying them off is going to have the same problem getting a replacement. 4 players is quite a bit of business at this stage in my mind.

As for competitive - to me I'd be happy with 17th but in all honesty 8th-10th isn't out of range. For attacking players we're easily strong enough for those positions, if we strengthen the defending side I'd be reasonableness confident of being comfortably mid table, with a squad good enough to form the basis of a challenge for a place in Europe in 2020/21.

Without extra signings we will struggle, but it's so early in the window that I'd not be concerned if it was only Hause & AEG at this point. Having Jota and Big Wes in already makes me quietly confident.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on June 27, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Without any additional signings, I don't think we will struggle, I think we'd be close to repeating the season when we came down. As in we would be well fecked! The defense currently has no center halves, and no quality cover for any of the positions to take account of injuries or suspensions. Likewise the midfield has no depth and up front we have championship forwards with an untried newbie.

All that can change very quickly, don't get me wrong.

But at this moment in time, I am anxious with the amount of players we have to bring in, and the time we have left to do it.

The spine of the team is extremely weak at the moment. It needs to change, and hopefully it will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 27, 2019, 06:09:05 PM
And given last years experience barring the early new manager bounce, we can expect some tough times until Dean gets his messages through
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on June 27, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
Any news on Kongolo (?) from Huddersfield?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 27, 2019, 07:11:16 PM
I imagine that Dean Smith is on holiday, I am sure he said after Wembley that he would be around for a week or so and then go away.  If so then I doubt any signings will get announced until he is back at work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 27, 2019, 07:14:03 PM
He was in Portugal with his assistant (not Terry) the other day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on June 27, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2019, 07:39:29 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 27, 2019, 07:49:46 PM
I miss the times when news of medicals being booked got posted, it always generated a bit of excitement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Rather them than us. 

Hopefully they might go loco and stick in a £65 million bid for Webster at Brizzle whilst they're at it. 

The only players that vaguely impressed me when playing that lot were the keeper Max O'Leary, the left back and the forward they had on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 27, 2019, 08:22:08 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.

Is the right answer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 27, 2019, 08:47:13 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.

Is the right answer.

Agree with that’s
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2019, 08:59:18 PM
Quality is hard to find but True Love Waits.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 27, 2019, 09:00:11 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

They are so very welcome
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2019, 09:05:46 PM
Agree that Brizzle's best players were O'Leary and the LB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 27, 2019, 09:31:04 PM
I know it's only newsnow click bait but there is a suggestion  we may go to £25m for Phillips.
Is he really that good?

Surely you could get a more recognised DM outside the UK for that sort of outlay?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2019, 09:38:18 PM
I know it's only newsnow click bait but there is a suggestion  we may go to £25m for Phillips.
Is he really that good?

Surely you could get a more recognised DM outside the UK for that sort of outlay?

This, as the kids say.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 27, 2019, 09:38:46 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.

Is the right answer.

Agree with that’s

Surely Wilder has more nous than to sign that one season wonder
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 27, 2019, 10:28:16 PM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.

Is the right answer.

Agree with that’s

Surely Wilder has more nous than to sign that one season wonder

Scott Hogan is available?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on June 28, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
If Steve Bruce was still around, we'd be after the likes of Charlie Austin and Daniel Sturridge like a shot.

Fortunately, he isn't, and we won't be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 28, 2019, 08:53:08 AM
Nothing ITK but as a Brummie now in Bristol, the City fans think Webster is the real deal - won POTY last season and his situation possibly something of a test for the club, i.e. if they sell it demonstrates a lack of ambition.

Every season that is brought more into focus given decades of promising to deliver top flight football (and being backed by a genuine fan with the resources).

Someone did mention Webster was injury prone at Ipswich.

If DS is keen then I expect some public grandstanding by BCFC and then a deal is done, no fee disclosed so that they can claim they played us. Standard stuff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 28, 2019, 08:54:39 AM
I know it's only newsnow click bait but there is a suggestion  we may go to £25m for Phillips.
Is he really that good?

Surely you could get a more recognised DM outside the UK for that sort of outlay?

Apropos of nothing but had an amusing moment with my cousin on text re this the other night. As someone who is a guardian on the Peoples Republic of Cheltenham (an enclave fighting for freedom inside Gloucestershire), he went on a huge rant about this signing.

Now those who know my work in the fanzine will know I very much enjoy a football related rant and sometimes about obscure teams or people. In fact I have one in production at the moment about Forest Green Rovers. Anyway, for a first stab, cousin got a solid 7.5 out of 10 for the ability to spit bile. There was one glaring issue though.

Not signing someone from Gloucester on general principle added to them being the cheating bastard who played the pass for the Leeds goal are noble thoughts. I crushed him a bit with my three word reply:

"That's Tyler Roberts"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2019, 09:47:36 AM
Apparently Sheff Utd are in for Charlie Austin with Southampton expected to accept a bid of around £10m. A good price but an injury prone player would be a big risk even on the cheap.

Bollocks to signing Charlie Austin.

Is the right answer.

Agree with that’s

Indeed, and i'll add a 'fuck him' into the mix.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 28, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
It doesn't make much sense to go above about £15m for any EFL player unless they are absolutely exceptional stand-out players like Grealish, because there has to be better value elsewhere in Europe or South America.  Maybe Phillips falls into that stand-out category, I don't know enough about him to say.  I can't say I'd heard of or noticed him until he became a transfer target, but then I don't take a great interest in other team's players.  Same goes for Benrahma and Webster, although I was well aware of Lolley's abilities.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2019, 10:30:57 AM
Think issue with me we go big and get Webster, we surely have to get Mings back otherwise they'll be a revolt outside the ground first home game.

So those would be two starting CBs and then you have Hause and fitness permitting Chester as back ups. Wouldn't be hugely confident in that keeping premier league strikers at bay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
Some French journalists are saying we have serious interest in Baptiste Santamaria, highly rated DM .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2019, 12:03:57 PM
According to the E and S a bid going in for Matt Targett. Targett targeted then!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 28, 2019, 12:27:19 PM
Leeds fans on twitter convinced Phillips is on his way to a medical at Villa ?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dr Butler on June 28, 2019, 12:29:31 PM
Some French journalists are saying we have serious interest in Baptiste Santamaria, highly rated DM .

brother of Mongo ?   ;)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
Leeds fans on twitter convinced Phillips is on his way to a medical at Villa ?!

I hope so.

The ****** with the funny hair, as I called him at Elland Road, is a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
Some French journalists are saying we have serious interest in Baptiste Santamaria, highly rated DM .

brother of Mongo ?   ;)

UTV
The Doc

Never mind that shit, here comes Baptiste.

Doesn't quite go as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jcsutv on June 28, 2019, 02:20:02 PM
Very good indeed. Will be worth a lot more than £25M in a few years time I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 28, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
Sign them all. Mings, Targett, Kongolo, Santamaria, Rongier. Lot of outlay but there seems to be much better value in there than splurging £30m on one Championship midfielder who doesn't want to come anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
I think a lot of the domestic or English player links are smokescreens to work being done to bring players in from the continent. No doubt we will bring some British based players in; but Suso is no doubt working his Spanish contacts to bring in some technically gifted players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2019, 03:45:31 PM
I think a lot of the domestic or English player links are smokescreens to work being done to bring players in from the continent. No doubt we will bring some British based players in; but Suso is no doubt working his Spanish contacts to bring in some technically gifted players.

I'm not sure why they'd bother with smokescreens?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2019, 06:21:15 PM
I think a lot of the domestic or English player links are smokescreens to work being done to bring players in from the continent. No doubt we will bring some British based players in; but Suso is no doubt working his Spanish contacts to bring in some technically gifted players.

I'm not sure why they'd bother with smokescreens?

And that's why you keep getting charged with exposing yourself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2019, 06:53:22 PM
I think a lot of the domestic or English player links are smokescreens to work being done to bring players in from the continent. No doubt we will bring some British based players in; but Suso is no doubt working his Spanish contacts to bring in some technically gifted players.

I'm not sure why they'd bother with smokescreens?

And that's why you keep getting charged with exposing yourself.

I have my beliefs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2019, 06:58:33 PM
According to the E and S a bid going in for Matt Targett. Targett targeted then!

I watched a bit of him last season , wasnt overly impressed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Leeds fans on twitter convinced Phillips is on his way to a medical at Villa ?!

I hope so.

The c*** with the funny hair, as I called him at Elland Road, is a very good player.

He wil be a top 4 club player in a few seasons. Lets hope its us
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2019, 08:05:37 PM
Saints fans seem split on Taggart going by a thread they have on him on one of their forums. Good cross on him and likes to get forward apparently but not the fastest and defensively suspect. Did chuckle at one of them posting that he would still be a big improvement on the "mince" Neil Taylor. It's been a while since I've read what other fans think of our players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 28, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
Saints fans seem split on Taggart going by a thread they have on him on one of their forums. Good cross on him and likes to get forward apparently but not the fastest and defensively suspect. Did chuckle at one of them posting that he would still be a big improvement on the "mince" Neil Taylor. It's been a while since I've read what other fans think of our players.

At last we have a coaching staff that can improve players so if he's defensively suspect, we can work on that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
Saints fans seem split on Taggart going by a thread they have on him on one of their forums. Good cross on him and likes to get forward apparently but not the fastest and defensively suspect. Did chuckle at one of them posting that he would still be a big improvement on the "mince" Neil Taylor. It's been a while since I've read what other fans think of our players.

At last we have a coaching staff that can improve players so if he's defensively suspect, we can work on that.


Mebbe. But it's one of a few positions where I'd prefer to see someone who can come in and hit the ground running. Same with the DM role. Not convinced one season of decent form from Phillips at Leeds is enough - and definitely not at the prices seen mentioned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villan from luton on June 29, 2019, 12:54:59 AM
I have to say I trust this managers judgement of a player and think he should deserve that chance by anyone
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 01:27:46 AM
Leeds fans on twitter convinced Phillips is on his way to a medical at Villa ?!

On what basis...? Probably just on the wind-up hoping to create some fake news. This is Leeds fans we're talking about, after all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2019, 02:54:49 AM
I have to say I trust this managers judgement of a player and think he should deserve that chance by anyone

I'm sure you could dig through various transfer threads when O'Dreary, O'Neill, Lamberk etc were in charge and find similar offerings at various stages in their early years (not singling you out VFL, I've seen others say that as well),

Phillips might be worth a punt in the hope that he can make the transition to the topflight.

But £20-30 million for that punt is fucking nuts.

I'd hope we're a bit more together than that and walk away at anything north of £13-14 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on June 29, 2019, 09:32:50 AM
Fee agreed of £14m for Matt Target of Southampton according to a few journos on Twitter.

If it's true, can I be the first to say "Welcome Matt".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AVH87 on June 29, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
Fee agreed of £14m for Matt Target of Southampton according to a few journos on Twitter.

If it's true, can I be the first to say "Welcome Matt".

Seems a bit high for someone on their bench, not been able to dislodge Bertrand. Never completely a full Prem season often plays about half the games, hopefully he's ready now to play one and kick on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
I think we need to get out of the ‘seems like a high price’ mindset.
For a start we all know premier league numbers are not based in reality. In the 3 years we have been out of it I am guessing all kinds of players have gone for what we would consider stupid money, but the PL is what it is. £20m is the new £5m it seems.
It’s what we have to do if we want to play with the big boys.

Secondly, if our management team and owners want to do a deal for a player I trust them to do the right thing for the club.
I trust the current incumbents, far more than any of the last couple of owners.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2019, 10:11:56 AM
True but I don't want to see us fucked with high earners that we have to take haircuts on if we get relegated and need to sell.
We're likely going to end-up spending as much as Fulham did last summer at this rate and the "most valuable game in football" - the play-off final, again becomes the game where you have to spend all the earnings won just to give yourself a chance of lasting more than one season in the top flight.
Meanwhile more mediocre players and their handlers get rich. Can't we stay in Division 2 or join the women's league/somewhere where money doesn't reign supreme?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 10:23:06 AM
That is bonkers money - we are going to burn through an awful lot of cash at this rate.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 10:27:40 AM
What do you propose we do instead?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 29, 2019, 10:28:43 AM
That is bonkers money - we are going to burn through an awful lot of cash at this rate.



We’ve been gone too long. This is an average fee for this quality (mid table) player. Sadly it’s not expensive anymore
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
exactly - a so called Bristol City ITK over on VT thinks we are close to a deal for Adam Webster - a revised bid of £20m has been rejected but something like £23m will seal it. So  hang on to your seats Villa fans if you think the Target fee was bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 10:32:54 AM
Bristol City sold a reserve left back in Kelly for £13 million to Bournemouth, it looks like good value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 10:38:13 AM
I fear for us this season if a bit-part full back is the best we can get for 14-17m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
There's just no pleasing some people.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 29, 2019, 10:41:57 AM
The sort of money we're being linked with does sound excessive but it's like London property prices - what for us would be a life-changing amount in cash terms gets you a one bedroom flat in Belgravia. That's the market we're operating in and we have to accept it. Forget the number attached and just ask whether the player is good enough. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
He was brilliant for Fulham. I've not seen anything of him since though, although Bertrand (remember him) is first choice.

Southampton have to sell to buy it seems.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 10:42:25 AM
Wait till the new kit is released
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 29, 2019, 10:45:05 AM
Its just were we are now, £15m does seem a lot but then is Obi Wan Bisaki 3 times better than Targett? 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on June 29, 2019, 10:45:48 AM
exactly - a so called Bristol City ITK over on VT thinks we are close to a deal for Adam Webster - a revised bid of £20m has been rejected but something like £23m will seal it. So  hang on to your seats Villa fans if you think the Target fee was bonkers.

Jesus- Signing him, combined with our buying our own ground to circumvent ffp will send the nutcases on their forum into overdrive.

It could well be the most entertaining place online for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 10:48:36 AM
There's just no pleasing some people.

Well there is, actually, I for one will happily take a proven player at any price (it ain't my money). The point isn't the money, really, it's the fact that his own team's fans don't think he's much good, which makes it seem as if we've been shafted a bit on the price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 29, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
What stung us before O'Neill to Bruce (less Lambert) was not so much the transfer fees though some were excessive it was the shit coaching so only a few of those improved, linked to this the lack of resale value to we and thee underperforming as well as age profile of those acquired. Finally the ludicrous wages we have paid.

So Targett - fee looks excessive. I am confident that Smith and team are able to coach at least adequatley. If he and we bomb we can probably get half at least back, if we do well (mid/lower table) and he plays then his value increases probably by 30-40%. The key then is his wages and well he takes a haircut/ e.g. 12m release clause if we are relegated. Which any sensible business person would see to.
Wages as % turnover for Prem League has been falling as TV income has increased in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
There's just no pleasing some people.

Well there is, actually, I for one will happily take a proven player at any price (it ain't my money). The point isn't the money, really, it's the fact that his own team's fans don't think he's much good, which makes it seem as if we've been shafted a bit on the price.

But we don't know what the actual price is or even if a fee has actually been agreed. Whatever the fee is, we're going to be paying over the odds from now on anyway. Man Utd have just paid insane money for a young kid who has had one good season. It's something we will just have to get used to. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 29, 2019, 10:59:41 AM
What really fucked us wasn't the fees we were paying so much as the wages - ten years of hyper-inflation later, Habib Beye's contract would still be ludicrous - that meant we were stuck with them for the duration.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 29, 2019, 11:04:48 AM
A back 4 of Guilbert, Webster, Mings and Targett, with Hause, Chester, Elmo and Taylor in reserve is starting to look a lot stronger
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 29, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
A back 4 of Guilbert, Webster, Mings and Targett, with Hause, Chester, Elmo and Taylor in reserve is starting to look a lot stronger

Oh and if we get Butland and Philips in, we will be very hard to beat
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
I'd like to see us try and sign Tuanzebe if possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
When do the players report back for training?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 11:28:25 AM
What do you propose we do instead?

I think £14m for a left back that couldn’t get into a poor Southampton team and played a few games in a relegated Fulham team is a lot of money.

£180m (or whatever it is) won’t go very far and perhaps the benchmark for fees has caught up with the PL money but it does surprise me that with Pitarch we aren’t looking overseas a bit more.

I wonder what these fees will mean for our pursuit of Mings and how much he will cost?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 29, 2019, 11:28:44 AM
Targett is pretty poor if you believe what they're saying on the Saints forums. Slow and out of position a lot, Championship full back at best...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Luffbralion on June 29, 2019, 11:35:53 AM
Anybody know what the Fulham fans are saying?
IIRC Targett was pretty impressive when they went up - and they were very keen to keep him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on June 29, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
Targett is pretty poor if you believe what they're saying on the Saints forums. Slow and out of position a lot, Championship full back at best...

Spoke to my mate who is a ST down there, and he said.....

Hello mate. Local Eastleigh lad and a good squad player that I'm disappointed is leaving. Whips a good cross in and a really honest hard working player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 29, 2019, 11:39:09 AM
It’s 11 mil plus add ons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ronshirt on June 29, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
If it's true, can I be the first to say "Welcome Matt".

Wahey! Pure feat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
 Now being suggested £11m plus add ons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on June 29, 2019, 11:49:20 AM
Sigh.

We all know that more resource at Left Back is needed as Taylor is the only specialist there at the moment.
We all know Taylor may not be a complete answer to our needs in this first year back in the PL.
We all know Hause as cover is already in place.

Conclusion; We probably need to spend some money on PL-standard Left Back.

Targett has played in the PL for Southampton many times not just occasionally.
Targett has played a fullish season for Fulham in this position when they were promoted and received good reviews.
Good teams in the Championship are close in standard to those lower in the PL.

A main criticism of his playing calibre is; 'The Soton fanbase sometimes (not unanimously) describe him as not better than Bertrand'. To which I can only say 'The Villa fanbase sometimes described Hause and Mings and Tuanzebe as not good enough in the Championship for the Villa'. In all clubs there are opinions with which we can disagree.

Another criticism is that he has not become the first choice compared to Bertrand. To which I'd say 'That is far more often a decision based not solely on form or calibre by the coaching and management team'. Money, agent, wages and a host of other factors combine to make a player the first choice not just skills.

Conclusion; Our coaching staff see enough in the young player to judge that he will do a job for us this season, fit in with the current staff and players to deliver his skills best and is affordable at the moment. I'll go with their decision and see how it pans out.

The only thing we know for sure is that the fees being quoted may not be accurate so don;t worry; the team know what we can spend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on June 29, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Dean will know what he wants from Matt and it’s clear we need competition and quality in that left back slot. He will probably play more games than Neil and be a starter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on June 29, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
Just to put Premier League transfer fees into perspective we bought Ashley Young in 2007 for £11,880,000.
In todays prices that would now equate to £38,448,881.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2019, 11:53:47 AM
if Mings and Webster come in plus a decent DM, i wouldn't be too fussed about splashing big money on a goalkeeper in this window. I think Steer would be fine in front of Guilbert, Webster, Mings and Targett .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 29, 2019, 12:04:01 PM
if Mings and Webster come in plus a decent DM, i wouldn't be too fussed about thingsplashing big money on a goalkeeper in this window. I think Steer would be fine in front of Guilbert, Webster, Mings and Targett .

I'd prefer him behind them, myself. ;-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2019, 12:10:47 PM
absolutely - my mistake!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 12:17:49 PM
Targett is pretty poor if you believe what they're saying on the Saints forums. Slow and out of position a lot, Championship full back at best...

Are they saying that because he’s potentially leaving now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 29, 2019, 12:20:35 PM
It’s 11 mil plus add ons.

When teams are paying £50m plus for full backs it doesn't seem too bad. If he kept that wankstain that we nearly signed out of the Fulham team last season he's apparently better than him at least.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 29, 2019, 12:49:30 PM
I’d rather believe Nixon.


8
9
16

Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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40m
Villa. Targett thing on. 11.5 rising to 17. That’s the left back sorted ... #busy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 29, 2019, 12:52:00 PM


As above, people going on about the transfer fees just shows how much the PL has changed in the 3 years we've been out of it.

This is how it is now. An English, 23 year old left back who's fairly well rated is not going to cost 4-5m anymore.

Wolves paid 18m for Traore who'd basically been a cabbage at his last two clubs. That's the modern market.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on June 29, 2019, 12:55:23 PM
He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 29, 2019, 01:02:09 PM
Don't care what he costs as long as he's decent. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on June 29, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
Quality costs but in the long run is a better investment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
Haha this transfer has funded Che Adam's to Southampton.  Trolololol
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 01:19:10 PM
Haha this transfer has funded Che Adam's to Southampton.  Trolololol

I know it’s not true but I really want the press story to be

Dean Smith “mad Villa fan and Villa manager” insisted on the capture of Southampton full back Matt Targett to further fuck over local rivals Shit Heath Alliance. The signing allows the Saints to acquire Che Adams who has indicated a desire to leave the stench of the sty. Earlier in the summer Smith as part of his mission to relegate the downtrodden sold Gary Gardner to be reacquainted with his trog brother Craig while signing talented winger Jota for next to nothing. This then proved to be the final straw for manager Gary Monk who was recently fired.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 29, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on June 29, 2019, 01:25:34 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
Phillips reminds me a bit of Andy Robertson at Liverpool. Likes to get forward, needed to improve a bit defensively but a lot of potential. Liverpool took a risk in signing him from relegated Hull, relatively speaking £8m in 2017 is probably £11m today and he’s turned into one the best LB’s around with good coaching.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 01:29:43 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob

Young and hungry was signing the likes of fucking Jordan Bowery.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 01:36:50 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Luffbralion on June 29, 2019, 01:39:37 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

I'm old enough to remember when Gabby was young and hungry
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2019, 01:47:24 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

That's just links though, I wouldn't take too much notice of them. Two of our last four signings came from abroad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob

Young and hungry was signing the likes of fucking Jordan Bowery.

I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob

Young and hungry was signing the likes of fucking Jordan Bowery.

I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.

Just saying he was bought at that time under that mantra. And yes if we bought those same players today, I would trust Smith to make good use of players like Veretout, Gana and Amavi. I’d take all three right now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2019, 01:56:56 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.

Agree with you Toronto. I'm not sure what the fuss is, he's a highly rated, young English player.
I think the fee is fair enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

I suspect we'll see much more young foreign signings once the first 11 is sorted so we can be a bit braver with players who will come in as competition/cover and have the time they need to settle in. Moraes is the obvious exception, get the centre back and DM we need sorted and then 4-5 players who are genuine 'young and hungry' signings where we are taking a bit of a gamble. The key thing with them is get U21 players so they don't need to be included in the 25 man squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 02:02:00 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on June 29, 2019, 02:03:56 PM
These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

I'm old enough to remember when Gabby was young and hungry
Thought he was still pretty hungry tbh
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2019, 02:14:55 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

The fee for El Ghazi was set when we in the championship though, and he, along with Hause, show exactly why loans with a set fee at the end are such a good idea for the buying club.

He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.

Justin looks a hell of a player though, I think we've missed out there and I suspect he'll be in the England squad within 18months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 29, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

Do you think 14m is a lot for a reserve CB who could not get into the first team even when fit ?? (Mings) …..Targett will be the most experienced premier player in our defence. Man utd just paid 50m for Wan Bissaka who has had one good season …..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 02:19:13 PM
Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.

Think you should really forgive people for being cautious when we've just had to sell Villa Park to the owners for ~60m to circumvent a financial issue that's hounded the club for 2-3 years now.

I think people are well within their rights to question whether Matt Targett was the wisest use of £11.5-17m, all things considered.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 29, 2019, 02:19:39 PM
Apparently we’ve given Southampton some money and they’ve used it to buy Che Adams. Whoops sorry
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on June 29, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
At least we've acted fast having missed out on James.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 29, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.

I agree.  Bowery was a punt and the fact that it didn't work out should be set against the fact that what the punt cost in Premier League terms was the smallest of small change.  And what's more, if you don't take that punt, you'll never unearth the next Jamie Vardy. Villa fans are right to castigate the so-called young-and-hungry era, but to make Jordan the poster-boy for its failings is as unfair as it is wrong.  There are many far more deserving individuals who should be subject to that ire. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

Do you think 14m is a lot for a reserve CB who could not get into the first team even when fit ?? (Mings) …..Targett will be the most experienced premier player in our defence. Man utd just paid 50m for Wan Bissaka who has had one good season …..

No, I don’t but then in fairness like most other people on this forum we have seen an awful lot more of Mings than Targett, and of course we a) haven’t signed him yet and if we do b) we don’t know what the fee will be.

£14m for Mings would look to be much better business than over £20m for Webster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2019, 02:28:29 PM
17 million is nothing to our owners, though. And it's nothing in the Premier League these days.

Onwards to the next signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 02:28:31 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

A lot based on what?

Bournemouth have bought Bristol City's reserve for £13m, 1.5m more than Target. Man United have spent £50m. This is the market we are in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2019, 02:30:14 PM
He's got a great left foot on him, likes to get forward, can defend, is young, is an upgrade on Taylor and is Premier League quality. Ticks the boxes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 29, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
Apparently Bournemouth want 20 mil for Mings and we will only pay 15. They’re not budging and nor are we. ( twitter so could be bollocks). Also they’re hanging on because of the matching clause, which is understandable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aev on June 29, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

A lot based on what?

Bournemouth have bought Bristol City's reserve for £13m, 1.5m more than Target. Man United have spent £50m. This is the market we are in.

A lot based upon a lower premier league reserve full back that played half a season for a team that got relegated.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
He's got a great left foot on him, likes to get forward, can defend, is young, is an upgrade on Taylor and is Premier League quality. Ticks the boxes.

Fingers crossed he does work out.

I really dont see the comparisons with Bennet or Luna for the young and hungry debacle, which was a synonym for cheap and shite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 29, 2019, 02:41:56 PM
Apparently Bournemouth want 20 mil for Mings and we will only pay 15. They’re not budging and nor are we. ( twitter so could be bollocks). Also they’re hanging on because of the matching clause, which is understandable.
Given his performances last season, his cult hero status, and influence on the team I think it's worth paying what they're asking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 29, 2019, 02:43:25 PM
Whatever we're paying for Targett, it's what he does when he gets here that counts.  If he turns out to be shite, it's a lot of money, if not then we've filled a problem position.

He's young enough to improve, give us 5 years+ service & maybe some profit if he does really well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 02:43:52 PM
Yep, agreed. He's a class act and if he has a good season, with be at the Euros.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 29, 2019, 02:48:37 PM
Apparently Bournemouth want 20 mil for Mings and we will only pay 15. They’re not budging and nor are we. ( twitter so could be bollocks). Also they’re hanging on because of the matching clause, which is understandable.
Given his performances last season, his cult hero status, and influence on the team I think it's worth paying what they're asking.

Yep, not only that but we really need a bit of continuity from last season even if only among our best players, and Mings is certainly that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on June 29, 2019, 02:54:09 PM
Surely Purslow can get one of his PL ceo mates to fire off a £12m bid to Bournemouth for Mings and then we'll quite happily match it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
Surely Purslow can get one of his PL ceo mates to fire off a £12m bid to Bournemouth for Mings and then we'll quite happily match it.

And Bournemouth will just reject both. They're not bound to accept any bid, the deal was that if they happen to feel a bid from another club acceptable, they would give us the opportunity to meet it. They might just as easily dig their heels in and hold onto him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 29, 2019, 03:10:56 PM
Targett is pretty poor if you believe what they're saying on the Saints forums. Slow and out of position a lot, Championship full back at best...

Are they saying that because he’s potentially leaving now?
I suppose some possibly are but a few posts back before the links they're not massively full of praise. Personally I don't care as he can't be worse than Taylor....it's impossible, I hope.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on June 29, 2019, 03:13:18 PM
Wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than 14 squillion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on June 29, 2019, 03:15:31 PM
Surely Purslow can get one of his PL ceo mates to fire off a £12m bid to Bournemouth for Mings and then we'll quite happily match it.

And Bournemouth will just reject both. They're not bound to accept any bid, the deal was that if they happen to feel a bid from another club acceptable, they would give us the opportunity to meet it. They might just as easily dig their heels in and hold onto him

But players do have a lot of say these days as to their preferred destinations.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
He's got a great left foot on him, likes to get forward, can defend, is young, is an upgrade on Taylor and is Premier League quality. Ticks the boxes.

Except one, he's too slow according to the Southampton fans. I guess we'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 29, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
An upgrade on Taylor isn’t too hard to find. It’s certainly an area we need to improve.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 05:23:40 PM
He's got a great left foot on him, likes to get forward, can defend, is young, is an upgrade on Taylor and is Premier League quality. Ticks the boxes.

Except one, he's too slow according to the Southampton fans. I guess we'll soon find out.

And I wonder what Bournemouth fans think of Mings? I bet it differs from how we see him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 29, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
17 million is nothing to our owners, though. And it's nothing in the Premier League these days.

Onwards to the next signing.

Agree. Some people need to realise that the new mega TV deal  has caused a huge surge in transfer fees and wages. John Stones went for nearly £50m from Everton to Man Citeh and he's complete garbage! £20m plus deals in the PL are nothing these days.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2019, 06:00:47 PM
17 million is nothing to our owners, though. And it's nothing in the Premier League these days.

Onwards to the next signing.

Agree. Some people need to realise that the new mega TV deal  has caused a huge surge in transfer fees and wages. John Stones went for nearly £50m from Everton to Man Citeh and he's complete garbage! £20m plus deals in the PL are nothing these days.

I suspected before any signings that we'd end up getting 3-4 players that broke our transfer record, I stand by that, we've got 1 so far and Philips and Butland have both been heavily linked for big fees as well. A lot gets made of Fulham spending £100m but what gets missed is that they probably needed to do it to stand a chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
I don't disagree but, it's the areas in which they spent it that comes into question which is why we need to heed the lessons there and don't just buy for buying sake.  I don't think we will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
17 million is nothing to our owners, though. And it's nothing in the Premier League these days.

Onwards to the next signing.

Agree. Some people need to realise that the new mega TV deal  has caused a huge surge in transfer fees and wages. John Stones went for nearly £50m from Everton to Man Citeh and he's complete garbage! £20m plus deals in the PL are nothing these days.

With respect, you say that as if "some people" have paid attention to nothing outside of Villa for the last 3 years, I would say everyone here to a man is aware of the TV deal, Stones, Van Dijk, Pogba and all the myriad ways in which PL football has changed since Villa were last competing in it. I don't think people's ignorance of this stuff is the problem, some of us are just very wary of seeing our club ripped off for average players given what's happened in the past.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on June 29, 2019, 06:11:23 PM
17 million is nothing to our owners, though. And it's nothing in the Premier League these days.

Onwards to the next signing.

Agree. Some people need to realise that the new mega TV deal  has caused a huge surge in transfer fees and wages. John Stones went for nearly £50m from Everton to Man Citeh and he's complete garbage! £20m plus deals in the PL are nothing these days.

I suspected before any signings that we'd end up getting 3-4 players that broke our transfer record, I stand by that, we've got 1 so far and Philips and Butland have both been heavily linked for big fees as well. A lot gets made of Fulham spending £100m but what gets missed is that they probably needed to do it to stand a chance.

And we do too as I think we all knew that Jack & McGinn were the only two we own that we would want in our first XI in the Premier League.

I’d like to get to next summer without being relegated and be in the same place as Wolves & Watford are this year knowing that 1 or 2 better players being brought in is fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
Did Targett play much for Southampton last season, everytime I saw them Bertrand was still their regular LB apart from a spell he had out injured.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 07:02:20 PM
Did Targett play much for Southampton last season, everytime I saw them Bertrand was still their regular LB apart from a spell he had out injured.



I've read 16 league appearances mate, not sure how many were starts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 29, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
Hopefully Smith is seeing something in Jota and Targett that most of us on here, including myself, aren't seeing. We haven't had much luck with left backs in a very long time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
Did Targett play much for Southampton last season, everytime I saw them Bertrand was still their regular LB apart from a spell he had out injured.



I've read 16 league appearances mate, not sure how many were starts.

Have to say Yann Valery on other side looks top prospect for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2019, 08:25:52 PM
been work all day

Targett at 14

blimey ive watched him ten times last season and he makes a few Huttonesque   cock ups at the back , does seem very steep .   

Philips would be worth 30 then on this price.   

Ill go back and carry on reading the forum
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 29, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
been work all day

Targett at 14

blimey ive watched him ten times last season and he makes a few Huttonesque   cock ups at the back , does seem very steep .   

Philips would be worth 30 then on this price.   

Ill go back and carry on reading the forum

Ouch. That's an indictment...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2019, 09:04:37 PM
Full back prices vary quite a bit.

Of course Wan Bisaaka to Man. United is at the extreme end of the scale but Liverpool did sign Andy Robertson for 10m and that was only two years ago when things were already getting inflated.

For 15m I'd like a guy who's been premier league first choice and had at least 50 games under his belt at this level e.g. that link to Aaron Cresswell earlier this window who'd fit my criteria.

Hope I'm wrong but this guy reminds me of when we signed Shorey in a rush a decade ago and he was a pretty poor LB despite playing for England six months before joining us.

If we were going for up and comer I wouldn't have minded Greg Taylor from Kilmarnock tbh. He'd have barely cost 5m I suspect.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2019, 09:22:51 PM
Shorey failed because he was tiny and didn't fit O'Neil's murderball defence.

You would have thought they might have noticed this before signing him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on June 29, 2019, 09:24:47 PM
Shorey failed because he was tiny and didn't fit O'Neil's murderball defence.

You would have thought they might have noticed this before signing him.

Yeah but MON had heard of him without needing subtitles or a passport to help, so in he came.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2019, 09:28:38 PM
Shorey failed because he was tiny and didn't fit O'Neil's murderball defence.

You would have thought they might have noticed this before signing him.

Yeah but MON had heard of him without needing subtitles or a passport to help, so in he came.

Yep, who needs scouts? Anyway, you can always just buy another defender, you can never have too many. You never know when you might have to play one of them up top, because it's illegal to sign centre forwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Would be happier with Dawson @ £5.5 million instead of Webster, in all honesty.

The two Olbiyun centre halves, Adam Reach at Wednesday, the young lad at Hull and a few of our lot were the only ones who looked like they were playing a division below their level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 29, 2019, 10:44:26 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

The fee for El Ghazi was set when we in the championship though, and he, along with Hause, show exactly why loans with a set fee at the end are such a good idea for the buying club.

He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.

Justin looks a hell of a player though, I think we've missed out there and I suspect he'll be in the England squad within 18months.

Got to get ahead of Chilwell first at club level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2019, 10:49:23 PM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
Shorey failed because he was tiny and didn't fit O'Neil's murderball defence.

You would have thought they might have noticed this before signing him.

Yeah but MON had heard of him without needing subtitles or a passport to help, so in he came.

He was the best domestic option available
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on June 30, 2019, 12:13:39 AM
Some bullshit in the Mail about Man Utd offering £50m for John McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 12:18:38 AM
Some bullshit in the Mail about Man Utd offering £50m for John McGinn.

Some on here already have him sold.  Nixon is suddenly Mr Accurate!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 12:22:57 AM
Some bullshit in the Mail about Man Utd offering £50m for John McGinn.

Some on here already have him sold.  Nixon is suddenly Mr Accurate!

Behave. The story says United are interested and might bid, and it's been pointed out that Nixon has been right a lot lately. Nobody "has him sold" already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on June 30, 2019, 01:07:57 AM
Shorey failed because he was tiny and didn't fit O'Neil's murderball defence.

You would have thought they might have noticed this before signing him.

Yeah but MON had heard of him without needing subtitles or a passport to help, so in he came.

MON:  We could do with a left fullback

Sidwell: Nickey Shorey was a left fullback at Reading

MON:  Good plan I'll sign him.  We can always play Cuellar there if he's shit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 06:59:58 AM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.



The fee for El Ghazi was set when we in the championship though, and he, along with Hause, show exactly why loans with a set fee at the end are such a good idea for the buying club.

He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.

Justin looks a hell of a player though, I think we've missed out there and I suspect he'll be in the England squad within 18months.

Got to get ahead of Chilwell first at club level.

El Ghazi was €5M in the end. A bargain. It came out in the press a few days after he signed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:26:48 AM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.

My mind has gone completely blank here. Who was that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2019, 08:01:53 AM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.

My mind has gone completely blank here. Who was that?

Delph.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 08:38:28 AM
I wonder if there's any coincidence that McGinn takes the Mickey out the Sun by fact checking them on Twitter and then this article appears.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 08:43:57 AM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.

My mind has gone completely blank here. Who was that?

Delph.

Of course.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 08:50:05 AM
Who ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.

i thought that snakes in the grass were absolutely free
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2019, 09:41:53 AM

Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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2h
VILLA. Will go to 20 for Kalvin Phillips. LEEDS want 30. This one won’t go away. Also chances with Webster at BRISTOL CITY. Want to sell Kalinic for around 5m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 30, 2019, 09:58:13 AM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 10:07:06 AM

Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
·
2h
VILLA. Will go to 20 for Kalvin Phillips. LEEDS want 30. This one won’t go away. Also chances with Webster at BRISTOL CITY. Want to sell Kalinic for around 5m

He's at it again. Nicko with his ground-breaking, telling us what we already know!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2019, 10:15:59 AM
And remember we paid £6m for a third division teenager a decade ago.

i thought that snakes in the grass were absolutely free
Only when you're going wild in the country.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2019, 11:07:29 AM
Emre Mor?      is the sun thou
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 11:33:24 AM
Emre Mor?      is the sun thou

Was massively rated at Borussia Dortmund 2-3 years back but didn't break through and now in/out of team at Celta Vigo. Seen a few of their games and he never really stands out. Also has attitude issues which is why Dortmund got rid quickly.

CM/Attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2019, 11:37:19 AM
I think I saw him play for Dortmund here in Japan against Urawa a couple of years back. He may even have scored the winner. He was very good if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
https://youtu.be/dHFMhUuv_m0

Second half substitute. From 3:20 onwards.

Well, he didn't score the winner. But he scored two. Sign him up!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 12:03:35 PM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 30, 2019, 12:24:51 PM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.

Dawson would have been a very solid signing at right centre back. Kind of a no brainer really, maybe Smith looking for more of a ball player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on June 30, 2019, 12:34:59 PM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.

Dawson would have been a very solid signing at right centre back. Kind of a no brainer really, maybe Smith looking for more of a ball player.

Also possibly an age thing with Dawson being the ripe old age of 29.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
I thought he played more as a right back for them?

We do need to sign some experience though. Club is a bit naive if it thinks we can build a premier league powerhouse team with hardly anyone over 25.

Whatever league you're in you need guys who've been there and done it and can help manage the dressing room as we saw with Whelan and to lesser extent Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 30, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
Some bullshit in the Mail about Man Utd offering £50m for John McGinn.

Some on here already have him sold.  Nixon is suddenly Mr Accurate!

Behave. The story says United are interested and might bid, and it's been pointed out that Nixon has been right a lot lately. Nobody "has him sold" already.

Nixon fires so crap at the wall, some of it is bound to stick.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on June 30, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
https://youtu.be/dHFMhUuv_m0

Second half substitute. From 3:20 onwards.

Well, he didn't score the winner. But he scored two. Sign him up!

Yep get him in. I’m sure Dean can straighten his head out
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.

I thought it was ruinous tonsign Championship players?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Is Guilbert a left back? If so why are we after Targett?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 02:39:12 PM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.

I thought it was ruinous tonsign Championship players?

At sensible prices. Said I'd have had no problem getting in Justin from Luton for 8m. He comes in and does well and we have McGinn type bargain. He struggles we can just sell him back to championship team for 5-6m.

Bit more of an issue when you pay over the odds and player simply dosen't set up as we've seen with McCormack and Hogan when there was much better value around at the time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
Is Guilbert a left back? If so why are we after Targett?

Guilbert is a RB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 03:17:28 PM
Kurt Zouma on loan with option to buy is something we could look at perhaps, been at Stoke and Everton last two seasons and 4th choice at Chelsea so they'd be very open to selling him you'd imagine.

Still only 24 and played well in the run in for Everton last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2019, 03:33:02 PM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.

I thought it was ruinous tonsign Championship players?

At sensible prices. Said I'd have had no problem getting in Justin from Luton for 8m. He comes in and does well and we have McGinn type bargain. He struggles we can just sell him back to championship team for 5-6m.

Bit more of an issue when you pay over the odds and player simply dosen't set up as we've seen with McCormack and Hogan when there was much better value around at the time.

But if he struggles, we're getting tonked on the pitch for four months before we can offload him for a price that'll never fund an adequate replacement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
Is Guilbert a left back? If so why are we after Targett?
Guilbert is a RB.
Thanks. That's good. A proper RB and LB.
Looks like it's happening tomorrow for £11M.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 04:28:06 PM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.

Dawson would have been a very solid signing at right centre back. Kind of a no brainer really, maybe Smith looking for more of a ball player.

Wouldn't surprise me if we start the season with 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 04:29:13 PM
Please no. That would be horrendous.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 04:33:26 PM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.

Dawson would have been a very solid signing at right centre back. Kind of a no brainer really, maybe Smith looking for more of a ball player.

Wouldn't surprise me if we start the season with 3 at the back.

It would certainly work with Gilbert and Targett in more advanced roles.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on June 30, 2019, 04:55:06 PM
I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

The fee for El Ghazi was set when we in the championship though, and he, along with Hause, show exactly why loans with a set fee at the end are such a good idea for the buying club.

He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.

Justin looks a hell of a player though, I think we've missed out there and I suspect he'll be in the England squad within 18months.

Got to get ahead of Chilwell first at club level.

Chilwell is Man City bound
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 05:18:13 PM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.

I thought it was ruinous tonsign Championship players?

At sensible prices. Said I'd have had no problem getting in Justin from Luton for 8m. He comes in and does well and we have McGinn type bargain. He struggles we can just sell him back to championship team for 5-6m.

Bit more of an issue when you pay over the odds and player simply dosen't set up as we've seen with McCormack and Hogan when there was much better value around at the time.

But if he struggles, we're getting tonked on the pitch for four months before we can offload him for a price that'll never fund an adequate replacement.

We can rotate him with AEM and Freddie? Ease him in for cup games and the odd league start.

In 15-20m prices these guys really have to be first choice as we're not at the level of club that can just spend that on backups. Will have to see if Targett is good enough to start 30 + games at premier league level, wasn't at Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
Dawson for around £5m would be decent competition at centre back.

Seems a crazy market with no two transfer fees comparable this year.

Dawson would have been a very solid signing at right centre back. Kind of a no brainer really, maybe Smith looking for more of a ball player.

Wouldn't surprise me if we start the season with 3 at the back.

It would certainly work with Gilbert and Targett in more advanced roles.

If we play with a right-sided twin to El Ghazi, a lone forward, SJM and Grealish behind, those two and three at the back, in some kind of 343, we'll be nothing if not exciting! Will it work, who knows? But I'm well up for giving it a go. Fortune, brave hearts, you know the story.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2019, 07:02:31 PM
Gregg Evans
Verified account
@greggevans40

Matt Targett the next one through the door at #avfc Initial fee of £11.5m with potential add ons. Decent business so far for Villa - Hause (£3m), Jota (£1m+ Gary Gardner), El Ghazi (£9m) and Wesley (£22m)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 07:08:16 PM
Unlock that Matt Targett thread Mr Shin so we can welcome our new LB
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2019, 07:50:59 PM
Unlock that Matt Targett thread Mr Shin so we can welcome our new LB

Wiki's still got him as Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 30, 2019, 08:19:41 PM
Unlock that Matt Targett thread Mr Shin so we can welcome our new LB

Wiki's still got him as Southampton.

Probably not happening then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2019, 10:30:56 PM
Gregg Evans
Verified account
@greggevans40

Matt Targett the next one through the door at #avfc Initial fee of £11.5m with potential add ons. Decent business so far for Villa - Hause (£3m), Jota (£1m+ Gary Gardner), El Ghazi (£9m) and Wesley (£22m)
Has Wesley been confirmed yet?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:33:38 PM
No.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 11:14:03 PM
The ever reliable gossip column has Kalas moving from Chelsea to Bristol City for £8m. Webster to Villa to pay for it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 01, 2019, 06:02:20 AM
Targett fits in with DS plans, a very good user of the ball and puts the effort in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 01, 2019, 07:40:02 AM
Wolves signing Erzi Konsa from Brentford for around 12m apparently. Sorry but 20m for this Webster guy would be bonkers, pull out of that deal and move onto more smart targets.

I thought it was ruinous tonsign Championship players?

At sensible prices. Said I'd have had no problem getting in Justin from Luton for 8m. He comes in and does well and we have McGinn type bargain. He struggles we can just sell him back to championship team for 5-6m.

Bit more of an issue when you pay over the odds and player simply dosen't set up as we've seen with McCormack and Hogan when there was much better value around at the time.

But if he struggles, we're getting tonked on the pitch for four months before we can offload him for a price that'll never fund an adequate replacement.

We can rotate him with AEM and Freddie? Ease him in for cup games and the odd league start.

In 15-20m prices these guys really have to be first choice as we're not at the level of club that can just spend that on backups. Will have to see if Targett is good enough to start 30 + games at premier league level, wasn't at Southampton.
Think there's too much being taken from this - Gary Cahill couldn't get in our team either and went for a similar (relatively) amount. Alan Wright was 2nd choice leftback at Blackburn when we bought him. He's a young lad who's not been able to displace a long established player who's pretty good and knows the other players inside out. I'd not be concerned in the slightest, if DS reckons he's good enough then we may well have bagged ourselves a bargain
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 01, 2019, 07:50:38 AM
We’ve spent 11mil on Target, who is a young premier league player. We only pay more if he succeeds. What’s not to like? He’s no championship gamble and will play as many if not more games than Taylor. He’s pretty much the type of player for where we are right now IMO
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 10:16:22 AM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 01, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 01, 2019, 11:31:18 AM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 01, 2019, 11:32:10 AM
Southampton confirm Targett move completed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Breezeblock on July 01, 2019, 11:56:52 AM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2019, 12:13:38 PM
Looks as though we have given Southampton enough money to sign Che Adams ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.

heh
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 01, 2019, 01:03:55 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.

heh

Fair point Breezeblock :facepalm:

;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2019, 01:06:32 PM
I have to say I wouldn't have minded if we'd taken a punt on Adams.  Looks to have everything in his game, and will only get better away from that lot. I reckon Southampton have done a good bit of business there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 01, 2019, 01:48:06 PM
Kalvin Phillips Wikipedia page says he's having a medical at Villa today..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Everyone's a wikiwort these days.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 01, 2019, 01:55:53 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.
The other side of that coin was someone such as villadawg who was almost psychotic in his refusal to accept anything bad ever happened at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
The cartoon Southampton have put together for Che Adams I'd well worth a chuckle of you're on Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 01, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.

heh

I see Beckford is at it again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.

On mention of stuart445 I don't recall seeing him post anything after Jack came back and we started our winning run. Did he ever post anything accepting he was wrong about Smith or will he, like with Benteke, still insist that he was right that they were shit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
Kalvin Phillips Wikipedia page says he's having a medical at Villa today..
I heard yesterday that it was likely to happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 01, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
Kalvin Phillips Wikipedia page says he's having a medical at Villa today..
I heard yesterday that it was likely to happen.

Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 01, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
Kalvin Phillips Wikipedia page says he's having a medical at Villa today..

And it clearly has been done either by a child or an adult with a limited IQ .... judging by the grammar used.

Clearly a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 02:48:20 PM
As Ads said, this is quite amusing

https://twitter.com/SouthamptonFC/status/1145648211912208384
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on July 01, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
A good day so far, I get in from work to find that we have bought another player whilst the Blose have sold their best player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 01, 2019, 03:36:46 PM
The cartoon Southampton have put together for Che Adams I'd well worth a chuckle of you're on Twitter.

I thought they would have Monk on a train heading out of Birmingham
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
A good day so far, I get in from work to find that we have bought another player whilst the Blose have sold their best player.

And their captain is fucking off for free 😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 01, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
Well hello Rafael. Tbh this looks like a link with absolutely Zero basis, but he's a tidy little player. "Aston Villa want £25m Lille forward Rafael Leao" according to HITC.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2019, 04:16:03 PM
Well it should be a fun week. Guilbert will arrive, Wesley will be announced and it will be interesting to see now that everyone is back and pre season kicks off if we can firm up Mings, Phillips and Webster. Get in Butland and you start to have a very decent base of players. By the end of the window add a couple of high quality players and we have something quite good to look forward to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
It's all starting to come together.

Can we have some links with exciting wingers, please, while we are at it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 01, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
Agree we need to strengthen the forward line. I still think we need another 7, but the four we're after currently are the priority positions IMO - Butland, Mings, Webster, Phillips

If we get those and alternatives we still need a winger, a forward and another midfield player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2019, 04:34:37 PM
I think we need two wingers. Green hasn't done enough to warrant being first reserve yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2019, 05:15:03 PM
I wonder also what happens with Tshibola, BB, Lansbury? None of them even PL squad players so imagine they will go. Maybe Lansbury makes it. And agreed about Green. We need at least one forward, and 2 wingers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2019, 05:16:58 PM
stil need a Jarrod Bowen or Saïd Benrahma in , as the team needs more goals as it stands.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
I think we need two wingers. Green hasn't done enough to warrant being first reserve yet.

The link the Leao today is interesting because I'd say he's the type of player we'll be looking at, can play on the wing, or in behind as well as right up top, 1-2 like that would give us a lot more flexibility in attack. In midfield it's really hard to know what we need, Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane and Jota can all bring something in there but none of them are the defensive shield player we need so that is now a massive priority. After that do we sign another player in the same mould or do we have Hourihane as an alternative and look at other options. Are Doyle-Hayes, Tish, Clarke or even Ramsey worth a look at as backup options? Personally I'd give them a chance during pre-season and make the decision towards the end of the window because if we're never willing to give our academy players a chance we're never going to know if they can make it, I think Clarke and Ramsey could both become very good players for us with good coaching, Doyle-Hayes I'm unsure and Tish, I suspect, is done and will be off if we get any offers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on July 01, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
Time to take stock of where we are so far:

Confirmed
El Ghazi (24) 6'2" 4 yr contract £undisclosed
Jota (28) 5'11" 2 yrs £undisclosed
Targett (23) 6'0" 5yrs £11.5m rising to £14m
Hause (23) 6'2" £3m
Moraes (22) 6'3" 5 yrs £22m

And Guilbert (24) 5'10" has joined after his loanback to Caen expired.

If we sign
Butland (26) 6'5"  £20-£22m
Webster (23) 6'4" £20m
Mings (26) 6"5" £10m
Phillips (23) 5'10" £22-£25m

That would take our spend up to c.£140m.

Happy with just those players, they're all (with the exception of Jota) young, their height should improve our attacking and defending at set pieces. which could be crucial in garnering some valuable points. And if Smith weaves his magic, they all have the potential to improve and increase their transfer values.

Should we be looking for further additions? If so who?

Of the peripheral players, who could/should we sell - any of:

Kalininc
Nyland
Lansbury
Bjarnasson
Kodjia
Tshibola
Hogan
Davies
Green
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2019, 05:50:44 PM
Never realised Jota was that tall. Always thought of him as diminutive for some reason
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 01, 2019, 05:55:30 PM
It's all starting to come together.

Can we have some links with exciting wingers, please, while we are at it.

Just get the bid in for Benrahma now! We can easily afford £20m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 01, 2019, 06:07:42 PM
Seems Smith's other unspoken criteria is players should be tall...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
I think we need two wingers. Green hasn't done enough to warrant being first reserve yet.

We’ve got more than enough whingers on here as it is. Oh, wingers?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2019, 06:27:57 PM
You have to laugh when our biggest gripe at the moment is that we are spending too much money on players! Personally I trust the people who are now in charge on and off the pitch. Obviously donating some money to a club to enable them to sign Small Heath's best player is a bonus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 06:43:36 PM
Seems Smith's other unspoken criteria is players should be tall...

Aye, I was thinking the same. Maybe we're going to be nasty bastards off the ball and silky on it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 01, 2019, 07:06:35 PM
Am I right in thinking that the main FFP issue in the premier league relates to limits on the increase in wages? Presumably the players we've released this summer will help massively on that score.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 07:17:41 PM
New rules today on FFP

Quote
Premier League clubs have been handed a boost in the market, after changes to the ruling in the transfer window freed up additional budget for player wages.

Each summer, and January, teams compete against each other to acquire the best talent while adhering to recruitment guidelines and spending within their means.

With Financial Fair Play (FFP) forever looming over top level sides, Premier League teams have always been cautious when taking to the market. Now, however, a rule keeping check on wage bill increases has been removed.

As of July 1, an adjustment to the ruling system has increased the scope for clubs to buy players.

As part of the transfer window, clubs have been governed and somewhat limited by Short Term Cost Control (STCC), which was brought into play in 2013.

The STCC meant that any 12-month increase in player wages of above £7m had to be funded by new commercial deals.

However, this has now been dropped, meaning clubs have more room for manoeuvre when it comes to agreeing wage deals with players.

Clubs no longer have to be as wary of the total costs of deals being handed out. Under the previous ruling, even if clubs could afford certain wage demands, this would have to be partly made up by the commercial deals in order to show an ability to generate cash flow and spend within their means.

The change is expected to benefit most clubs, though particularly those who regularly find themselves just below the main competing pack in the Premier League.

Those sides who finished last season in seventh to 10th place, for example, will now find themselves will more freedom to bring in players with the added bonus of being able to offer more enticing wages.

Last season those aforementioned position finishes included the likes of Wolves, Everton, Leicester and West Ham.

These teams have, in previous years, showed both an ability and willingness to spend big in the transfer market.

Likewise, newly promoted sides who have the benefit of the financial windfall of reaching the Premier League will now be able to acquire players more freely, without an immediate worry of how to generate additional capital to show a balanced system. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2019, 07:58:21 PM
SaadVilian

Mings will be more than £10 million

still need that winger/attacking type who can get us a few goals like Bowen or Benrahma  .    would love Bowen , he knows where the net is.         
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 01, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
Can we not keep looking to sign the next “ insert name”. Some of us remember Nii Lamptey who was touted as the new Pele, scored only 3 goals for us and went on to play for over a dozen different clubs before retiring.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 08:26:30 PM
Well hello Rafael. Tbh this looks like a link with absolutely Zero basis, but he's a tidy little player. "Aston Villa want £25m Lille forward Rafael Leao" according to HITC.

We can dream. For the first time since Eusébio, Portugal looks like they may have finally produced a top striker. I think he's only 20 but plays with great maturity and knows where the back of the net is. Biggest question is his attitude. He dumped Sporting 15 days before he'd agreed to sign a new contract because some naughty boys invaded the Sporting dressing room and shouted at the players for being crap.

If the rumours are true, I think he'll be wasted at Valencia. They have a habit of turning talent into lazy, greedy, waste of space players. Micah Richards would be well at home there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 01, 2019, 08:31:20 PM
Well hello Rafael. Tbh this looks like a link with absolutely Zero basis, but he's a tidy little player. "Aston Villa want £25m Lille forward Rafael Leao" according to HITC.

We can dream. For the first time since Eusébio, Portugal looks like they may have finally produced a top striker. I think he's only 20 but plays with great maturity and knows where the back of the net is. Biggest question is his attitude. He dumped Sporting 15 days before he'd agreed to sign a new contract because some naughty boys invaded the Sporting dressing room and shouted at the players for being crap.

If the rumours are true, I think he'll be wasted at Valencia. They have a habit of turning talent into lazy, greedy, waste of space players. Micah Richards would be well at home there.

Erm...Ronaldo?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 08:33:23 PM
Well hello Rafael. Tbh this looks like a link with absolutely Zero basis, but he's a tidy little player. "Aston Villa want £25m Lille forward Rafael Leao" according to HITC.

We can dream. For the first time since Eusébio, Portugal looks like they may have finally produced a top striker. I think he's only 20 but plays with great maturity and knows where the back of the net is. Biggest question is his attitude. He dumped Sporting 15 days before he'd agreed to sign a new contract because some naughty boys invaded the Sporting dressing room and shouted at the players for being crap.

If the rumours are true, I think he'll be wasted at Valencia. They have a habit of turning talent into lazy, greedy, waste of space players. Micah Richards would be well at home there.

Erm...Ronaldo?

Wanker Winger.

I was thinking more classic centre forward, Mike.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 01, 2019, 08:35:24 PM
If we can get Butland, Mings, Webster and Phillips I’ll be over the moon with our business.

Then it’s time to add 1/2 from Suso’s list
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2019, 08:42:18 PM
Seems Smith's other unspoken criteria is players should be tall...

Aye, I was thinking the same. Maybe we're going to be nasty bastards off the ball and silky on it.

I thought it was noticeable how Brentford developed into a much more physical and athletic side under Smith over the three seasons we played them in the Championship.  They were a small, tidy passing side the first season, but when we played them just before he joined us they were a noticeably bigger and more athletic side. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 08:44:33 PM
Seems Smith's other unspoken criteria is players should be tall...

Aye, I was thinking the same. Maybe we're going to be nasty bastards off the ball and silky on it.

I thought it was noticeable how Brentford developed into a much more physical and athletic side under Smith over the three seasons we played them in the Championship.  They were a small, tidy passing side the first season, but when we played them just before he joined us they were a noticeably bigger and more athletic side. 

Plus we got bullied by so many teams in the Championship until Smith came in. Thereafter we were nails.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2019, 08:56:34 PM
Seems Smith's other unspoken criteria is players should be tall...

Aye, I was thinking the same. Maybe we're going to be nasty bastards off the ball and silky on it.

I thought it was noticeable how Brentford developed into a much more physical and athletic side under Smith over the three seasons we played them in the Championship.  They were a small, tidy passing side the first season, but when we played them just before he joined us they were a noticeably bigger and more athletic side. 

And noticeably more proficient at the old shithousery, which I wouldn't be massively against for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 01, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
Our
And noticeably more proficient at the old shithousery, which I wouldn't be massively against for us.

It did seem like we suddenly learnt the simple arts of game management after Smith arrived. Simple things like kicking the ball away to a team-mate after conceding a foul.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2019, 09:17:33 PM
Iron fist inside a velvet glove
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 01, 2019, 09:33:01 PM
Lots of Villa transfer rumours/ITK claims (take your pick) on Twitter from @AcuraSportsNews.

Anyone know if their track record is good or crap?

This from 4 hours ago suggests the fee is agreed for Phillips from Dirty Leeds.

 
@AcuraSportsNews
 4 hours ago

#AVFC have agreed a fee for Kalvin Phillips, it is thought to be under the £30m valuation that Leeds wanted, Thoughts #AVFC and #LUFC fans?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2019, 09:36:36 PM
Based on their number of followers, I'd suggest they're more likely to be a teenaged fantasist rather than a tot track to the ITK truth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
In fairness it appears he/they called it on Targett about an hour before it was announced judging by Twitter times. May just have been dumb luck mind.

https://twitter.com/AcuraSportsNews/status/1145623751893143552

And our announcement an hour later https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1145640690342195201
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on July 01, 2019, 09:56:18 PM
According to the usually reliable AV Agent on twitter “Negotiations for Webster have progressed earlier today. #avfc fee haggled down to 20m + addons.” A lot of cash if that’s true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2019, 10:16:32 PM
Deano isn't the Oracle, it's alright to cast doubt over Targett. You'll have gregnash and Cooper's Injury back to label you a happy clapper if you're not careful.
I wonder what Suso's list of Targets was.
Is there an English version of this available?

Former posters on this forum, BV, late and unlamented. If you thought Stuart445 was obstreporous or obtuse these two were on another level entirely. Count yourself lucky that you are a more recent member and never had to scroll through their turgid bollockspeak.
TBF the Gnasher was at least humerous in his miseryarsedness. Coops was a bit of a twunt though.

He’s got a job doing the barcodes twitter account by the look of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 01, 2019, 10:18:53 PM
My sources have confirmed that Phillips has checked into the Bristol Street Ibis. Unfortunately, The Campanile and Fort Dunlop Travelodge was full.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 10:38:53 PM
According to the usually reliable AV Agent on twitter “Negotiations for Webster have progressed earlier today. #avfc fee haggled down to 20m + addons.” A lot of cash if that’s true.

Christ, another player off the back of one decent season at a lower grade and we're doing a ManYoo getting their pants pulled down for Obi Wan Bissaka.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 01, 2019, 10:54:38 PM
According to the usually reliable AV Agent on twitter “Negotiations for Webster have progressed earlier today. #avfc fee haggled down to 20m + addons.” A lot of cash if that’s true.

Christ, another player off the back of one decent season at a lower grade and we're doing a ManYoo getting their pants pulled down for Obi Wan Bissaka.

I can't get my head around how nobody bigger than Bristol City were in for him last summer.

We're probably paying £10 million over the odds because we've been promoted.  Joe Bryan was allowed to go for around £6/7 million last year.  The same with Philips at Leeds.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 10:57:21 PM
A lot of Twatter chatter about Phillips. And Leeds fans asking if we've even played in the Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AVH87 on July 01, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
A lot of Twatter chatter about Phillips. And Leeds fans asking if we've even played in the Champions League.

Have they ever played in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 01, 2019, 11:20:46 PM
A lot of Twatter chatter about Phillips. And Leeds fans asking if we've even played in the Champions League.

Have they ever played in the Premier League?

I heard a stat that SHA have spent more seasons in the top flight than dirty Leeds. Not checked it out...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on July 01, 2019, 11:27:47 PM
I heard a stat that SHA have spent more seasons in the top flight than dirty Leeds. Not checked it out...

They’ve spent 50 seasons in the top flight. Blues have spent 57, and we’ve spent 105.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
They have, 57/50. They've also spent more in both div 2 and 3 as well which is a mildly interesting stat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2019, 11:29:17 PM
It would be worth signing Phillips just to piss their fans off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
Leeds; 50 years in the top flight and 42 years out if it.

SHA; 57 years in the top flight and 59 out of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Leeds
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2019, 11:55:00 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Leeds

Large parts of that could easily be "doing a Villa"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 07:17:49 AM
It would be worth signing Phillips just to piss their fans off.

It would. Anything that pisses off Leeds fans is OK with me. Twats
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 02, 2019, 07:26:30 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Leeds

I just had a scan read of that. I forgot what a staggering decline Wolves had. 6th in Division one to division 4 in six years. Wow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on July 02, 2019, 08:06:50 AM
A lot of Twatter chatter about Phillips. And Leeds fans asking if we've even played in the Champions League.

I love it when fans ask us that. Normally Leeds, Newcastle, Blackburn etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 08:07:34 AM
A lot of Twatter chatter about Phillips. And Leeds fans asking if we've even played in the Champions League.

I love it when fans ask us that. Normally Leeds, Newcastle, Blackburn etc.

+ Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2019, 08:37:12 AM
You'd think that, as self-styled number one haters of Man United, Leeds wouldn't be keen to perpetuate the "football was only invented in August 1992" narrative.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
The social media shuffle, where a player en mass decides to start following another clubs players, has created another Twatter chatter buzz. Phillips has decided to follow on Instagram a load of our players and Terry. So naturally this means it's on.

It's like calling a restaurant in New York, but for 2019.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 02, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
The social media shuffle, where a player en mass decides to start following another clubs players, has created another Twatter chatter buzz. Phillips has decided to follow on Instagram a load of our players and Terry. So naturally this means it's on.

It's like calling a restaurant in New York, but for 2019.

I loved the H and V response which was to forensically rate and then trash the wine list.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 02, 2019, 08:56:02 AM
If you want to piss off any Leeds fans just tell them that Don Revie paid bungs to fix matches as this video with their former goalie and whistle blower Gary Sprake details
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Clough's appointment as successor to Don Revie (who was idolised by his players) at Elland Road was destined to be a short affair from day one when he told Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Jack Charlton, Peter Lorimer and the rest of the senior players "As far as I'm concerned you can throw all your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating."



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 02, 2019, 09:06:13 AM
Leeds; 50 years in the top flight and 42 years out if it.

SHA; 57 years in the top flight and 59 out of it.

Thanks for confirming.
For a city that size with just one club, not great.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 09:15:15 AM
The social media shuffle, where a player en mass decides to start following another clubs players, has created another Twatter chatter buzz. Phillips has decided to follow on Instagram a load of our players and Terry. So naturally this means it's on.

It's like calling a restaurant in New York, but for 2019.

That is actually probably quite a good indicator, unless he's also just started following a lot of other players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 09:28:13 AM
The social media shuffle, where a player en mass decides to start following another clubs players, has created another Twatter chatter buzz. Phillips has decided to follow on Instagram a load of our players and Terry. So naturally this means it's on.

It's like calling a restaurant in New York, but for 2019.

That is actually probably quite a good indicator, unless he's also just started following a lot of other players.

Yeah. I'd take that as an indicator of one of two things - he's either signing or he wants to. Both good things, the latter would be encouraging given all the talk about him preferring to stay at Leeds.

Tbh, of our business so far, he's the one I'd get most excited about. A strong footballing DM can make a huge difference in terms of league places and he looks like he has potential to improve quite a bit more too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The social media shuffle, where a player en mass decides to start following another clubs players, has created another Twatter chatter buzz. Phillips has decided to follow on Instagram a load of our players and Terry. So naturally this means it's on.

It's like calling a restaurant in New York, but for 2019.

That is actually probably quite a good indicator, unless he's also just started following a lot of other players.

He's following Jack, Hourihane, Tshibola, Lansbury and Terry. Unless he started following all of them yesterday then I wouldn't read too much into it as, not surprisingly, he also follows a billion other footballers and if we were using this as a guide he's going to Man City or Liverpool. However, for those who DO like conspiracy theories... he also follows Tammy so maybe Tammy is coming too!!! I suspect he's played at youth level with Tshibola and Tammy.

And finally, he also follows............................................... Micah Richards and Fabian Delph
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 09:39:22 AM
I thought Ads was saying he'd been spotted following them all at once? You might be right though......
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 09:45:51 AM
Fuck Leeds. They are in the second division and they will stay there for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 02, 2019, 09:49:49 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Leeds

Forgot about Swansea. From 1978 until 1986 they climbed from the fourth division to the 1st and back to the 4th again. Crazy.

 I’m sure Northampton did something similar in the 60’s
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2019, 10:02:41 AM
Northampton were in Division Four in 1961 and were promoted to Division One in 1965. Back in Division Four in 1969. An eventful decade!

As well as Wolves, Bristol City and Luton have both managed three successive relegations.

Truro City and Shaw Lane seem to have the English record for successive promotions with four each.

Clyde managed to finish bottom of the league three seasons in a row in three different divisions but we were spared relegation to the Lowland League as it hadn't been invented yet. Hurrah.

Gretna managed three successive promotions then liquidation all in the space of three years.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 02, 2019, 10:53:56 AM
So spurs signed jack clarke from Leeds but loaned straight back for this year. One last push for them, this year promoted or another few in championship.
Surely they won’t sell PHILLIPS to us if that’s the case ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
So spurs signed jack clarke from Leeds but loaned straight back for this year. One last push for them, this year promoted or another few in championship.
Surely they won’t sell PHILLIPS to us if that’s the case ?

As I said a few days back, Clarke isn't ready for th epremier league so this is more likely spurs wanting to make sure they get him but knowing he's not ready for their squad yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2019, 11:14:54 AM
It will be nice when we get to a place where we only 1-2 major signings and can then sign young, promising players and loan for less than the market would suggest they're worth and then loan them back until they're ready. Basically the opposite of what we've been doing the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 02, 2019, 11:24:53 AM
Cannot believe that any of the press and social media speculation about us going for Phillips is accurate. It's a Jack situation.

Get Rongier from Nantes for £9m and the bonus of getting rid of Kalinic; their manager wants him as keeper and Rongier is ready for a step up to the PL. Win/Win. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 02, 2019, 11:29:48 AM
Cannot believe that any of the press and social media speculation about us going for Phillips is accurate. It's a Jack situation.

Get Rongier from Nantes for £9m and the bonus of getting rid of Kalinic; their manager wants him as keeper and Rongier is ready for a step up to the PL. Win/Win.

Fake news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2019, 11:34:12 AM
Cannot believe that any of the press and social media speculation about us going for Phillips is accurate. It's a Jack situation.

Get Rongier from Nantes for £9m and the bonus of getting rid of Kalinic; their manager wants him as keeper and Rongier is ready for a step up to the PL. Win/Win. 
Nantes signed a new keeper the other day.
I think the Kalinic/Rongier talk is all twitter 2+2=515253 bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 02, 2019, 11:47:55 AM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2019, 11:49:17 AM
Wouldn't trust that bellend after the atrocity of the House Party he used to present.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?

Fake news sadly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?
I hope this is true.  It feels like a lot on money but no more than we would have wanted for Jack or McGinn if we'd stayed down.  I think he could be a great fit if his heart is in the move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 02, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
Wouldn't trust that bellend after the atrocity of the House Party he used to present.


I appreciated the joke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 02, 2019, 12:07:43 PM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?

I don't have Twitter but just Googled searched his name. 468 followers and no blue tick. Why would he have the scoop?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 02, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?

I don't have Twitter but just Googled searched his name. 468 followers and no blue tick. Why would he have the scoop?

He's full of shite. Ignore.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 02, 2019, 12:44:23 PM
Noel Armand on Twitter saying deal done for Phillips at £25m plus add ons and personal terms agreed. Medical tomorrow
Is Armand reliable?

I don't have Twitter but just Googled searched his name. 468 followers and no blue tick. Why would he have the scoop?

He's full of shite. Ignore.

100% this is the same twat who said Newcastle were selling fabian scharr to Nottingham forest for 9 million quid about 2 weeks ago. Total nonsense
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 02, 2019, 12:55:37 PM
Nantes signed a new keeper the other day.
I think the Kalinic/Rongier talk is all twitter 2+2=515253 bollocks.

Damn! Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If that was the only person putting the Phillips story around I'd agree but there seem to be loads of people posting it. That may just be them all trying to get an early 'exclusive' on each other but a few of the names are people that are supposedly pretty decent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 01:38:52 PM
The photo in this tweet - do we have any experts on the Kalvin Pillips' back, from middle distance?
https://twitter.com/ClassOf82_AVFC/status/1146019350861746176
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 02, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
The photo in this tweet - do we have any experts on the Kalvin Pillips' back, from middle distance?
https://twitter.com/ClassOf82_AVFC/status/1146019350861746176

Fabian Tadiello, apparently. His agent.

Clicky (https://twitter.com/UGotLittUp/status/1146018186837528576)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
Ah, thanks Exigo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 01:47:49 PM
Apparently the bloke in the yellow shirt is our new winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2019, 01:52:53 PM
Apparently the bloke in the yellow shirt is our new winger.

Thank fuck for that. For a minute I thought Steve Bruce was back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 02, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
We could make the Phillips deal work.  Say if it was £13 million up front, and then the rest on certain conditions. £2 million based on appearances. £4 million if he makes the England squad. £2 million when he gets that ridiculous barnet seen to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
We could make the Phillips deal work.  Say if it was £13 million up front, and then the rest on certain conditions. £2 million based on appearances. £4 million if he makes the England squad. £2 million when he gets that ridiculous barnet seen to.

To which Leeds would say "Well that's great but we'll just hold on to him and get promoted instead, at which point he'll be worth four times his current value and we'll have promotion money to play with."

They'll never accept £13m up front for their captain and their best player. And let's be honest, in this market they'd be insane to do so. Given inflation elsewhere, £24-25m sounds about right to me. In an ideal world he'd be a third of that price, but ho hum.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
We could make the Phillips deal work.  Say if it was £13 million up front, and then the rest on certain conditions. £2 million based on appearances. £4 million if he makes the England squad. £2 million when he gets that ridiculous barnet seen to.
If Tottenham had offered us that to buy Jack last year I'm pretty sure we'd have all been falling over ourselves to urge the club to accept it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
They allegedly offered us more but lower than our valuation and we told them to fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 04:17:30 PM
I know.  I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 04:58:51 PM
We could make the Phillips deal work.  Say if it was £13 million up front, and then the rest on certain conditions. £2 million based on appearances. £4 million if he makes the England squad. £2 million when he gets that ridiculous barnet seen to.

To which Leeds would say "Well that's great but we'll just hold on to him and get promoted instead at which point he'll be worth four times his current value and we'll have promotion money to play with."

They'll never accept £13m up front for their captain and their best player. And let's be honest, in this market they'd be insane to do so. Given inflation elsewhere, £24-25m sounds about right to me. In an ideal world he'd be a third of that price, but ho hum.

Spot the obvious flaw in that plan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 05:16:07 PM
We could make the Phillips deal work.  Say if it was £13 million up front, and then the rest on certain conditions. £2 million based on appearances. £4 million if he makes the England squad. £2 million when he gets that ridiculous barnet seen to.

To which Leeds would say "Well that's great but we'll just hold on to him and get promoted instead at which point he'll be worth four times his current value and we'll have promotion money to play with."

They'll never accept £13m up front for their captain and their best player. And let's be honest, in this market they'd be insane to do so. Given inflation elsewhere, £24-25m sounds about right to me. In an ideal world he'd be a third of that price, but ho hum.

Spot the obvious flaw in that plan.

If they hold on to Jansson, Phillips, Roofe then I would say they are likely to go up next year. I hope I'm wrong but Bielsa staying is huge for them. Whatever else he may be, he's a very good manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 02, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
They allegedly offered us more but lower than our valuation and we told them to fuck off.


Didn't the master negotiator Daniel Levy offer us twenty million quid for Jack? Not only that I think he waited until the last minute and we had been taken over whereas we might have had to except twenty million pre takeover. I think Bruce even said as much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2019, 05:49:18 PM
I though they offered 2M plus Onomah
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 02, 2019, 06:06:34 PM
They allegedly offered us more but lower than our valuation and we told them to fuck off.

I'd love to think that was our official answer.

Dear Mr Levy.

Fuck off.

Kind regards,

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 02, 2019, 06:08:23 PM
I though they offered 2M plus Onomah

I heard it was 3 plus In Onomah and quite rightly we told them you go fuck themselves.

Jack will be taking Ali's place in the England team before year end you see.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 02, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
Mahmoud Trezeguet ( Egyption wide man ) being linked. Had a good tournament so far from what I've watched.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
He's actually Mahmoud Hassan, his nickname is Trézéguet. I'd be up for taking a chance on him based on what I've seen of him before. Only slight concern is why is he only in a near-relegation Turkish team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 02, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
If we want Phillips it'll be £25m upfront minimum. It's Leeds United and he's their best player, they have Bielsa and a great change at going up. It needs to be an incredible offer.

I suspect the longer it goes on the more the price rises too. Similar with us and Grealish last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 07:20:48 PM
They allegedly offered us more but lower than our valuation and we told them to fuck off.

I'd love to think that was our official answer.

Dear Mr Levy.

Fuck off.

Kind regards,
Apparently this magical transfer wizard phoned Real Madrid today offering then Eriksson for £100M for a quick sale.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 02, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
If we want Phillips it'll be £25m upfront minimum

Sounds fair to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 02, 2019, 08:44:20 PM
Mahmoud Trezeguet ( Egyption wide man ) being linked. Had a good tournament so far from what I've watched.
He's actually Mahmoud Hassan, his nickname is Trézéguet. I'd be up for taking a chance on him based on what I've seen of him before. Only slight concern is why is he only in a near-relegation Turkish team.

Would be worth taking a chance if only £7m given the stupid prices going around at the moment.  Looks like he gets fouled as much as Jack!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 02, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Big Wes now official on Pravda and Twitter:

Aston Villa

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@AVFCOfficial
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We are delighted to welcome Brazilian striker Wesley to #AVFC ahead of his first day of pre-season training tomorrow. ✍️

Full story 👉 http://bit.ly/2KRqDXP

#WelcomeWesley
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 02, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
Next!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:18:07 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2019, 09:23:31 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?

Too good to be true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 02, 2019, 09:25:53 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?

Too good to be true.

<insert really obvious they want £25 million, or Hogan plus £30 million joke here>
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2019, 09:27:43 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?

Hah, surely not?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 02, 2019, 09:31:04 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?
Probably more people than want season tickets are available to help.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 09:31:46 PM
There's a rumour on twitter that Leeds want Hogan as part of any deal for Phillips, anyone free to help him pack?

Just caught a flight over, be there asap.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
https://twitter.com/transfer_first/status/1146102868803497984

This one seems to be the source of it and looking through their posts I suspect it's a pisstake, a lot of people on my facebook feed will be upset.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2019, 10:08:29 PM
Hogan could do really well for Leeds too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 10:15:28 PM
That'll be Yacouba Sylla playing in the Champions League this season then.
https://twitter.com/RomainCG75/status/1146162037439025153
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2019, 10:17:34 PM
For a couple of months it looked like we'd got ourselves a gem with that one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 02, 2019, 10:25:58 PM
That'll be Yacouba Sylla playing in the Champions League this season then.
https://twitter.com/RomainCG75/status/1146162037439025153

weird as was just booking flights to Cluj before I read this. Maybe I will get to see the Villa legend again!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
For a couple of months it looked like we'd got ourselves a gem with that one.

I was the same.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 02, 2019, 10:46:04 PM
For a couple of months it looked like we'd got ourselves a gem with that one.

I was the same.
I think we beat QPR 3 - 2 and he had a blinder that day
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 10:52:16 PM
Hogan could do really well for Leeds too.
Yes. I believe if they had him last season they would have secured automatic promotion by mid April.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2019, 11:00:18 PM
Any chance we could go for Alex Morgan?.......pleeeeeeeeeease?
She doesn’t have to play, ever. Just rock up at the photo shoots and pose in a villa shirt.❤️
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 02, 2019, 11:59:27 PM
She is flippin’ gorgeous.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2019, 12:02:28 AM
She's not in the Alex Scott class, but I don't disagree with the sentiment otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2019, 12:22:38 AM
She's not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 03, 2019, 07:09:24 AM
I read a comment from Dean the other day that he wanted young players with premier league experience, so it will be interesting to see if we do really want Webster and Phillips?

To read that Leicester want £90 million for Maguire just proves how stupid the market is, so for me to date we have brought well, although it will be interesting to see how "big" Wes, Grealish, McGinn etc... get on in the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 03, 2019, 07:34:40 AM
I did watch a few premiership games last season and the quality between even the middle table sides and the championship is stark. Smith hasn't put a foot wrong so far let's hope he as well as the players are up for the challenge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 03, 2019, 07:57:44 AM
She's not my cup of tea.

Bravo sir.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
She's not in the Alex Scott class.


Agreed. I sit there next to wifey and say “God, she don’t half know a lot about football this girl”, when in reality I can’t hear a word she’s saying because I’m lost in lustful thoughts. She’s so so lovely. Match of the Day next year, hope she likes the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2019, 09:46:58 AM
Hadn't thought of that. Don't think I could take it if she slags us off. Though I suppose she might, given her tainted past...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 03, 2019, 09:54:34 AM
She can do no wrong in my eyes, even if that means slating us at some point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
get a hold of yourselves boys !! errrrr probably best not 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on July 03, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
For a couple of months it looked like we'd got ourselves a gem with that one.

I was the same.

He had a great chant as well. "Sylla, Sylla, Sylla, he loves to play for Villa, Villa, Villa"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
The rumour today is that Leeds might have found their Phillips replacement, who is a young Croatia international and kind of looks like much much much better value than Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 03, 2019, 01:41:15 PM
Where do we stand in the "home grown" rules stakes?

Both the Manchester clubs are struggling on this front apparently. What about us?

Steer, Chester, taggert, hause, bree, mcginn, jack, and the kids plus dross like lansbury is that enough and is that why Bournemouth and Leeds are trying to bump the prices up?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2019, 01:44:49 PM
I don't think McGinn counts as home grown in that sense, as he's from a different footballing jurisdiction.

From memory the home grown rule means you need a certain number within your matchday squad, rather than in your overall squad. I'm probably talking bollocks though, someone more knowledgeable can confirm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 03, 2019, 01:48:32 PM
I don't think McGinn counts as home grown in that sense, as he's from a different footballing jurisdiction.

From memory the home grown rule means you need a certain number within your matchday squad, rather than in your overall squad. I'm probably talking bollocks though, someone more knowledgeable can confirm.

"Each season the Premier League lists the squads for each of its clubs for the season on 1 September (after the summer transfer window[6] closes). Each club is able to list up to 17 senior players that are not English or Welsh and did not spend a significant period in an English or Welsh academy, plus any number of homegrown players up to a maximum squad size of 25, plus an unlimited number of academy and under-21 players."

So the rule is that there must be a minimum of 8 home-grown players a declared first team squad of 25.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 03, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
I don't think McGinn counts as home grown in that sense, as he's from a different footballing jurisdiction.

From memory the home grown rule means you need a certain number within your matchday squad, rather than in your overall squad. I'm probably talking bollocks though, someone more knowledgeable can confirm.

"Each season the Premier League lists the squads for each of its clubs for the season on 1 September (after the summer transfer window[6] closes). Each club is able to list up to 17 senior players that are not English or Welsh and did not spend a significant period in an English or Welsh academy, plus any number of homegrown players up to a maximum squad size of 25, plus an unlimited number of academy and under-21 players."

So the rule is that there must be a minimum of 8 home-grown players a declared first team squad of 25.

I didn't realise Scotland didn't count. So realistically we need 1 or 2 more in really dont we? Starters to push the likes of steer to the bench
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 03, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
I make it 10* with Steer, Chester, Hause, Targett, Bree, Green, Lansbury, Grealish, Davis, Hogan*, not including 1 or 2 who might be promoted (O'Hare?) from the youth/reserves to fill out our 25 given how many players we've let go.

So we're fine on the quota.

*Although here's hoping it will be 9 soon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
I make it 10* with Steer, Chester, Hause, Targett, Bree, Green, Lansbury, Grealish, Davis, Hogan*, not including 1 or 2 who might be promoted (O'Hare?) from the youth/reserves to fill out our 25 given how many players we've let go.

So we're fine on the quota.

*Although here's hoping it will be 9 soon.

You're missing Taylor and Hourihane, the former being welsh and the latter joining Sunderland as a 16 year old.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
The rumour today is that Leeds might have found their Phillips replacement, who is a young Croatia international and kind of looks like much much much better value than Phillips.

No, the prices are mental now and you just HAVE to spend £30-40 Million etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 03, 2019, 02:41:01 PM
I make it 10* with Steer, Chester, Hause, Targett, Bree, Green, Lansbury, Grealish, Davis, Hogan*, not including 1 or 2 who might be promoted (O'Hare?) from the youth/reserves to fill out our 25 given how many players we've let go.

So we're fine on the quota.

*Although here's hoping it will be 9 soon.

You're missing Taylor and Hourihane, the former being welsh and the latter joining Sunderland as a 16 year old.

Fair enough, either way we're fine on the quota.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 03, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
Few rumours that Cahill was at BMH yesterday..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
Not entirely surprising as he is a free agent looking for a club. Good to see Chester in one photo today trying to get himself fit again. But we need cover and experience and Cahill for a year for a decent deal would be good. A CB grouping of him, Chester, Mings, Hause, Webster isn't bad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 03, 2019, 05:45:32 PM
Must have been weird for him being back there, Wild Willy Bouma would have been snapping his legs off in training last time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
Lots of stories coming out in Sweden that Jansson has fallen out with Bielsa and is up for sale. Buy out is less than £15m apparently - i'd buy him tomorrow for that. A twat, but a great defender.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 03, 2019, 06:13:10 PM
I think he's absolutely shite, the fact he scores a few masks his horrendous positional play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2019, 06:22:11 PM
Championship player at best in my view.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2019, 06:25:29 PM
Lots of stories coming out in Sweden that Jansson has fallen out with Bielsa and is up for sale. Buy out is less than £15m apparently - i'd buy him tomorrow for that. A twat, but a great defender.

Would be fine with that If we couldn't get Mings for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
I'd take two from Mings, Jansson and Webster. Along with Hause that would be enough options, even if Chester is unable to return to his old form.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 03, 2019, 07:01:15 PM
I'd be a little concerned with having a back four which is pretty much untried at Premiership level. It's one thing for Jansson marking players Tammy, Billy Sharp etc, but any slip at the top level usually ends up getting punished.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2019, 07:10:37 PM
I'd be a little concerned with having a back four which is pretty much untried at Premiership level. It's one thing for Jansson marking players Tammy, Billy Sharp etc, but any slip at the top level usually ends up getting punished.

Jansson plays international football (unlike Webster) and has played in the top flight in Italy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 03, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
I'd be a little concerned with having a back four which is pretty much untried at Premiership level. It's one thing for Jansson marking players Tammy, Billy Sharp etc, but any slip at the top level usually ends up getting punished.

Jansson plays international football (unlike Webster) and has played in the top flight in Italy.

Even so, he doesn't look Premier League quality to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2019, 07:18:49 PM
I like Pontius Jansson. He’s tough, has played at a higher level, highly competitive and doesn’t like to lose. He scores goals too. Would be a solid addition in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 03, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 03, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
£15m for a 28 year old with very little top flight experience and none in the Premier League?  No chance. Cahill on a free I get - he's a short term solution to a short term problem - but generally I can't see us buying too many players over about 24/25 unless they're so cheap they're basically free (Jota...)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 03, 2019, 08:13:59 PM
Cahill for a season on a huge paycut from his last contract would work for me.

And no to Delph, Benteke, Young etc....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
Jansson would work for me at the   buy out price - a lot more so than £25m for someone from the Championship with limited experience of the championship. Mings at that sort of money would worry me too, much as i like him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
No to Jansen. Too old, immobile, ill disciplined and not good enough on the ball to beat the press so many teams play with.

Bide our time, save our money and get Axel back
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 03, 2019, 09:04:42 PM
All I saw in our Championship meetings with Jansson was an apparently toy centre back who continually feel down, clutching his face when he hadn't been touched. Absolute no from me.

I'd rather have Axel back too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on July 03, 2019, 09:09:15 PM
A definite no to Jansen, not good enough defensively nor with the ball. I'd be OK with Cahill on a 12 month contract. Smith & the recruitment team have certainly got their work cut out between now and August.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2019, 09:12:59 PM
Axel is going on the tour though so I don't see him coming back. We must get the centre backs defensive sorted pronto.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2019, 09:15:02 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
So we've spent £50m but I think there's still plenty more to arrive. I'd include:

Phillips
Trezeguet – (Mahmoud Hassan)
João Félix - (sell to Real Madrid in 2022 for £300m)
Mings
A couple of loanees..

That should do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 03, 2019, 09:36:57 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

They're ignoring the fact that we've got a proper COACH, improving this type of player is meat and drink to him.
I'd bet any of the tossers now that we finish above them. If they get relegated too then so much the better.

Who the f***ing hell are you???
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Scott Hogan was entitled to extra time off but still turned up for pre-season testing. Whatever you think of his ability, fair play for his attitude.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 03, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
Scott Hogan was entitled to extra time off but still turned up for pre-season testing. Whatever you think of his ability, fair play for his attitude.

Always tries his nuts off, can't fault him for that. I've got a lot of time for him, just don't think he's good enough
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2019, 10:25:02 PM
I’m really disappointed we didn’t sign anyone today. It means we need to sign 2 tomorrow or 3 on Friday. If not I want Purslow gone by Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 03, 2019, 10:35:18 PM
I’m really disappointed we didn’t sign anyone today. It means we need to sign 2 tomorrow or 3 on Friday. If not I want Purslow gone by Saturday morning.
We signed that young goalkeeper. One for the future must count.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2019, 10:37:52 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 03, 2019, 10:59:47 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

He sounds like the sort of person Blues should sign, yet probably can't afford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 03, 2019, 11:59:33 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

One of my best mates is a Southampton fan. If you'd said 'Jaegerbombs' instead of 'food', I'd be sure we were talking about the same fella. I love him dearly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 04, 2019, 12:19:39 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

One of my best mates is a Southampton fan. If you'd said 'Jaegerbombs' instead of 'food', I'd be sure we were talking about the same fella. I love him dearly.

It’s hardly an onslaught from our country cousins is it? There’s only about 6 passed a comment .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2019, 12:36:58 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

One of my best mates is a Southampton fan. If you'd said 'Jaegerbombs' instead of 'food', I'd be sure we were talking about the same fella. I love him dearly.

It’s hardly an onslaught from our country cousins is it? There’s only about 6 passed a comment .

I'm not sure what your point is, but I'd defend like Aly Cissokho your right to make it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2019, 07:23:09 AM
anyone else slightly concerned that we still have no real cb's or a defensive midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on July 04, 2019, 08:09:09 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.

Have to admit, I laughed at the ‘no need to raid, we’ll leave the door open’ comment.

I used to work for a company based in Portsmouth and a few Saints fans worked there. I took one in the away end at St Mary’s when we beat them 3-2 under Lambert (the game Delph scored screamer and we had about 20% possession). His face was a picture and I won a bet off him meaning my ticket was paid for!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2019, 08:31:40 AM
anyone else slightly concerned that we still have no real cb's or a defensive midfielder?

Aren't Chester and Hause real centre backs? Yes, we need another couple more but they are real centre backs. As for the midfielder, we do need one in but there's plenty of time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robbo1874 on July 04, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 




i knew one at work many years ago. Ginger chick, quite hot and a good laugh too. I know a few as it goes and they are all sound.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.

I went to bed with one, once. She even wore her Saints retro shirt (Draper tools sponsor, I think) as a nightie.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 04, 2019, 08:53:51 AM
anyone else slightly concerned that we still have no real cb's or a defensive midfielder?
Idle speculation on my part, but I reckon Mings + 1 (Cahill?) will be at the club soon enough, plus a fairly big money defensive midfielder and possibly a cheaper backup option. They just seem obvious gaps in the squad and so far DS has been fairly on the ball for filling them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 04, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.

I went to bed with one, once. She even wore her Saints retro shirt (Draper tools sponsor, I think) as a nightie.

I prefer your experience!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on July 04, 2019, 09:09:15 AM
anyone else slightly concerned that we still have no real cb's or a defensive midfielder?

Aren't Chester and Hause real centre backs? Yes, we need another couple more but they are real centre backs. As for the midfielder, we do need one in but there's plenty of time.

I'm not sure it would make comfortable viewing watching the likes of Raheem Sterling and Mo Salah against them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2019, 09:15:31 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.

I went to bed with one, once. She even wore her Saints retro shirt (Draper tools sponsor, I think) as a nightie.


A few of my ex's wore my Villa shirts in bed. One of my ex's wore her Arsenal shirt in bed, another one wore her West Ham shirt in bed. I had a one night stand once with a girl who wore her Sunderland shirt in bed. I have had brief relationships with two female noses, but thankfully neither of them possessed Small Heath shirts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2019, 09:32:02 AM
anyone else slightly concerned that we still have no real cb's or a defensive midfielder?

Aren't Chester and Hause real centre backs? Yes, we need another couple more but they are real centre backs. As for the midfielder, we do need one in but there's plenty of time.

I'm not sure it would make comfortable viewing watching the likes of Raheem Sterling and Mo Salah against them.

I agree, and like I said we need a couple more but they are real centre backs which what he said we hadn't got.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 04, 2019, 09:49:09 AM
AV late Summer reflections in mid-Summer 2019

While the press hoopla is still going on around transfers coming in and going out and the PR machine cranks up for pre-season jamborees in ‘Murica and the UK, it would be useful to prepare ourselves for what’s coming between now and the end of September. You know, just so we don’t lose our sense of perspective and react irrationally …

More passionate people might be tempted to start with the state of the squad, who’s in and who’s out, but that would be too easy. We’ll come back to that.

I’d like to ask you to consider our first 7 fixtures and where we might be in the table come the start of October. Compared to the other two teams joining the PL this year our campaign begins favourably. We should be confident that we can win points early as we have a balance of home and away matches which is welcome; 4 home, 3 away. We only face 2 of the Top 6 in those games so that’s not an uphill start (both away), we play 2 of the teams likely to be fighting relegation (both home games so already looking like ‘Must Win’ matches if we want to survive) and of the other 3 games we are against teams likely to be safely in the middle come the end of the season, 2 at home, so can look to pick up points.

By the end of September we could afford to have lost away at both Spurs and Arsenal if we have won at home to Bournemouth and Burnley. If we pick up a win and a draw against Wet Spam and either Everton at home or Palace away we’ll be sitting on 10 points and comfortably mid-table after 7 games. I’d expect the relegation zone to feature teams with half that number of points by that time.

That is a scenario that’s certainly possible; our ‘keeper has hit his straps and carried on from the end of last season, the defence is grooved and confident with the 2 new full backs fitting-in smoothly, our midfield is an exciting dynamo of steel and diamond with McGinn and Grealish in their pomp, and the attack is full of youthful exuberance, creating chances for fun and smashing goals in when they matter.

But that’s only likely if the time between now and then has gone very, very well. What if the next 12 weeks contains all or some of the following;

-   Despite the professional intentions and work of the club, Moraes struggles to adjust to a foreign country, foreign culture, foreign language and different playing conditions and the weight of leading the line is playing on the young guys’ mind. Kodjia comes back from the ACN tired and out of sorts so does not provide an effective alternative striking option. Goals are hard to come by which makes games an excruciating grind.

-   The right-sided attacker we pursued does not arrive and the unbalanced nature of the attack misfires continually in pre-season and the first few games of the PL as the fill-in Jota tries to adjust to his new team until the player purchase arrives. Even if we eventually get our man or find the right combination up front by the end of August it takes until nearly Christmas before it produces an effective unit.

-   McGinn gets injured in pre-season and is out for 4 months.

-   Mings picks up a niggle in pre-season and the whole defensive unit suffers a lack of cohesion and confidence as they are effectively strangers thrown together for the first time without an on-field leader. The coaching staff works hard at this problem but progress is slow and results faltering. Odd mistakes of communication and positioning, inevitable throughout a steep learning process, are made at crucial points in games and results are poor even if performances are getting better.

-   Pursestrings says in an interview that the strategy is in place for the future of the club to be balanced but that means off-field capital requirements and FFP rules mean that player acquisition needs to stop before buying Butland, another centre back and a defensive midfielder let alone £25 to £30m for another striker. A tacit admission that prices have gone haywire and we won’t be paying them now but will look again in January.  The coaching staff and the fans know this leaves us 3 players short before we start. Confidence collapses on fan sites.
-   The Beeb and Sky, as part of their build-ups to the new season, pitch their Villa coverage as ‘Can the inexperienced manager and thrown-together team at Villa avoid relegation?’ and play that skewed message on an endless loop. Pundits do what pundits do and fall back lazily on every cliché they can find; ‘Chances are that promoted teams get relegated’, ‘You can’t build a new team and expect it to win quickly’, ‘The gap between Championship and PL is too great’ etc. Traditional Brummie pessimism kicks in and the first serious shouts of ‘Smith Out, we need someone to rescue our season’ are written before the end of August, fuelling another merry-go-round of media coverage on the topic of ‘Smith has only 5 games to turn the season around before Thierry Henry is bought in’.

We all know those things could happen.

There’s not much we can do about player targeting and acquisition, tactics, training and team cohesion, capital budgeting, the money in the PL or players agents but we can do something about the rest of it. Which might ultimately help.

That probably starts with realistic expectations. It’s not realistic to say anything like ‘Our new owners are minted so spunk another £30m on the next player linked with us in the gutter press’. There are rules, there are real financial limits and everyone needs to realise that. If we want a club that gets better it involves a rounded expansion of the capacities of the club not just unbalanced progression in one aspect. That destroys wage structures, causes team disharmony and does not improve results anywhere, especially on the pitch. It’s a team game not an individual one and I’m happy that Deano shows he knows that at every possible point in time.

It also probably means that we need to become more resilient to not battering teams we play every week; this last 6 months has seen a wonderful uptick in the style of football we play and that’s thrilling. But with half the squad being new it’s unlikely we will see that excitement return consistently for at least the next 3 months. It’s a different league, different team, new situation; we can’t expect it to look and feel like Wembley every week. Sorry to pop that bubble. The team will feel like it is taking a step backwards from those heady days of the 10-game winning run but it’s not, it’s just adjusting to a new world and we need to know that before it happens so we don’t agonise ‘we should be beating that lot every week’. We shouldn’t and we probably won’t. Yet. But give the staff and team a chance to get there, eh?

And it probably involves taking a step back and enjoying the ride. Last Summer the club was dead. I mean really dead; just waiting for the axe to fall. This time 4 months ago we had given up the season. The only thing those lessons should teach us is that we should enjoy the ride.

So let’s make a pact on here; nobody even mentions points or position in the table until Bonfire night. Let’s just make up new chants for the terraces, buy season tickets, laugh at the bluenoses, cheer our heads off at the grounds whenever we see something we like, and generally enjoy being back in the circus. We've got a reputation to uphold of being 'real' fans of a big club so let's concentrate on that. Support the team, through whatever life throws at us, and enjoy the ride. We’re in good hands so trust in that fact.

UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2019, 09:55:09 AM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.

I went to bed with one, once. She even wore her Saints retro shirt (Draper tools sponsor, I think) as a nightie.

My mate went to bed with a B-loser’s girlfriend. We both knew the geezer, he’s a nice bloke. My mate made her wear her boyfriend’s b-lose top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2019, 10:06:52 AM
Haven't heard the phrase "went to bed" in at least 20 years!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 04, 2019, 10:10:50 AM
I'm sure Deano and JT are aware of the CB positions being sparse. We ended last season with plenty of options: Mings, Axel, Hause, Elphick, Chester and Jedinak. Now only Chester and Hause which is extremely thin. We all saw the problems from August through to the end of Jan that SB left behind - all through lack of cover for injuries/suspensions.
I think we need another 3 CB's to bolster the defence - sooner rather than later. What happens if Chester or Hause get injured?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.


they have a strange twang of an accent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on July 04, 2019, 10:36:04 AM
I'm sure Deano and JT are aware of the CB positions being sparse. We ended last season with plenty of options: Mings, Axel, Hause, Elphick, Chester and Jedinak. Now only Chester and Hause which is extremely thin. We all saw the problems from August through to the end of Jan that SB left behind - all through lack of cover for injuries/suspensions.
I think we need another 3 CB's to bolster the defence - sooner rather than later. What happens if Chester or Hause get injured?
I agree but if we all know it I think El Bosses may too. They will be wanting recruits in asap. We have to be patient for they shall arrive. I just hope it's their first choices. We know FFP rules may come back to bite us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 10:41:33 AM
AV late Summer reflections in mid-Summer 2019

While the press hoopla is still going on around transfers coming in and going out and the PR machine cranks up for pre-season jamborees in ‘Murica and the UK, it would be useful to prepare ourselves for what’s coming between now and the end of September. You know, just so we don’t lose our sense of perspective and react irrationally …

More passionate people might be tempted to start with the state of the squad, who’s in and who’s out, but that would be too easy. We’ll come back to that.

I’d like to ask you to consider our first 7 fixtures and where we might be in the table come the start of October. Compared to the other two teams joining the PL this year our campaign begins favourably. We should be confident that we can win points early as we have a balance of home and away matches which is welcome; 4 home, 3 away. We only face 2 of the Top 6 in those games so that’s not an uphill start (both away), we play 2 of the teams likely to be fighting relegation (both home games so already looking like ‘Must Win’ matches if we want to survive) and of the other 3 games we are against teams likely to be safely in the middle come the end of the season, 2 at home, so can look to pick up points.

By the end of September we could afford to have lost away at both Spurs and Arsenal if we have won at home to Bournemouth and Burnley. If we pick up a win and a draw against Wet Spam and either Everton at home or Palace away we’ll be sitting on 10 points and comfortably mid-table after 7 games. I’d expect the relegation zone to feature teams with half that number of points by that time.

That is a scenario that’s certainly possible; our ‘keeper has hit his straps and carried on from the end of last season, the defence is grooved and confident with the 2 new full backs fitting-in smoothly, our midfield is an exciting dynamo of steel and diamond with McGinn and Grealish in their pomp, and the attack is full of youthful exuberance, creating chances for fun and smashing goals in when they matter.

But that’s only likely if the time between now and then has gone very, very well. What if the next 12 weeks contains all or some of the following;

-   Despite the professional intentions and work of the club, Moraes struggles to adjust to a foreign country, foreign culture, foreign language and different playing conditions and the weight of leading the line is playing on the young guys’ mind. Kodjia comes back from the ACN tired and out of sorts so does not provide an effective alternative striking option. Goals are hard to come by which makes games an excruciating grind.

-   The right-sided attacker we pursued does not arrive and the unbalanced nature of the attack misfires continually in pre-season and the first few games of the PL as the fill-in Jota tries to adjust to his new team until the player purchase arrives. Even if we eventually get our man or find the right combination up front by the end of August it takes until nearly Christmas before it produces an effective unit.

-   McGinn gets injured in pre-season and is out for 4 months.

-   Mings picks up a niggle in pre-season and the whole defensive unit suffers a lack of cohesion and confidence as they are effectively strangers thrown together for the first time without an on-field leader. The coaching staff works hard at this problem but progress is slow and results faltering. Odd mistakes of communication and positioning, inevitable throughout a steep learning process, are made at crucial points in games and results are poor even if performances are getting better.

-   Pursestrings says in an interview that the strategy is in place for the future of the club to be balanced but that means off-field capital requirements and FFP rules mean that player acquisition needs to stop before buying Butland, another centre back and a defensive midfielder let alone £25 to £30m for another striker. A tacit admission that prices have gone haywire and we won’t be paying them now but will look again in January.  The coaching staff and the fans know this leaves us 3 players short before we start. Confidence collapses on fan sites.
-   The Beeb and Sky, as part of their build-ups to the new season, pitch their Villa coverage as ‘Can the inexperienced manager and thrown-together team at Villa avoid relegation?’ and play that skewed message on an endless loop. Pundits do what pundits do and fall back lazily on every cliché they can find; ‘Chances are that promoted teams get relegated’, ‘You can’t build a new team and expect it to win quickly’, ‘The gap between Championship and PL is too great’ etc. Traditional Brummie pessimism kicks in and the first serious shouts of ‘Smith Out, we need someone to rescue our season’ are written before the end of August, fuelling another merry-go-round of media coverage on the topic of ‘Smith has only 5 games to turn the season around before Thierry Henry is bought in’.

We all know those things could happen.

There’s not much we can do about player targeting and acquisition, tactics, training and team cohesion, capital budgeting, the money in the PL or players agents but we can do something about the rest of it. Which might ultimately help.

That probably starts with realistic expectations. It’s not realistic to say anything like ‘Our new owners are minted so spunk another £30m on the next player linked with us in the gutter press’. There are rules, there are real financial limits and everyone needs to realise that. If we want a club that gets better it involves a rounded expansion of the capacities of the club not just unbalanced progression in one aspect. That destroys wage structures, causes team disharmony and does not improve results anywhere, especially on the pitch. It’s a team game not an individual one and I’m happy that Deano shows he knows that at every possible point in time.

It also probably means that we need to become more resilient to not battering teams we play every week; this last 6 months has seen a wonderful uptick in the style of football we play and that’s thrilling. But with half the squad being new it’s unlikely we will see that excitement return consistently for at least the next 3 months. It’s a different league, different team, new situation; we can’t expect it to look and feel like Wembley every week. Sorry to pop that bubble. The team will feel like it is taking a step backwards from those heady days of the 10-game winning run but it’s not, it’s just adjusting to a new world and we need to know that before it happens so we don’t agonise ‘we should be beating that lot every week’. We shouldn’t and we probably won’t. Yet. But give the staff and team a chance to get there, eh?

And it probably involves taking a step back and enjoying the ride. Last Summer the club was dead. I mean really dead; just waiting for the axe to fall. This time 4 months ago we had given up the season. The only thing those lessons should teach us is that we should enjoy the ride.

So let’s make a pact on here; nobody even mentions points or position in the table until Bonfire night. Let’s just make up new chants for the terraces, buy season tickets, laugh at the bluenoses, cheer our heads off at the grounds whenever we see something we like, and generally enjoy being back in the circus. We've got a reputation to uphold of being 'real' fans of a big club so let's concentrate on that. Support the team, through whatever life throws at us, and enjoy the ride. We’re in good hands so trust in that fact.

UTV


TL;DR, JFC
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hipkiss92 on July 04, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
AV late Summer reflections in mid-Summer 2019

While the press hoopla is still going on around transfers coming in and going out and the PR machine cranks up for pre-season jamborees in ‘Murica and the UK, it would be useful to prepare ourselves for what’s coming between now and the end of September. You know, just so we don’t lose our sense of perspective and react irrationally …

More passionate people might be tempted to start with the state of the squad, who’s in and who’s out, but that would be too easy. We’ll come back to that.

I’d like to ask you to consider our first 7 fixtures and where we might be in the table come the start of October. Compared to the other two teams joining the PL this year our campaign begins favourably. We should be confident that we can win points early as we have a balance of home and away matches which is welcome; 4 home, 3 away. We only face 2 of the Top 6 in those games so that’s not an uphill start (both away), we play 2 of the teams likely to be fighting relegation (both home games so already looking like ‘Must Win’ matches if we want to survive) and of the other 3 games we are against teams likely to be safely in the middle come the end of the season, 2 at home, so can look to pick up points.

By the end of September we could afford to have lost away at both Spurs and Arsenal if we have won at home to Bournemouth and Burnley. If we pick up a win and a draw against Wet Spam and either Everton at home or Palace away we’ll be sitting on 10 points and comfortably mid-table after 7 games. I’d expect the relegation zone to feature teams with half that number of points by that time.

That is a scenario that’s certainly possible; our ‘keeper has hit his straps and carried on from the end of last season, the defence is grooved and confident with the 2 new full backs fitting-in smoothly, our midfield is an exciting dynamo of steel and diamond with McGinn and Grealish in their pomp, and the attack is full of youthful exuberance, creating chances for fun and smashing goals in when they matter.

But that’s only likely if the time between now and then has gone very, very well. What if the next 12 weeks contains all or some of the following;

-   Despite the professional intentions and work of the club, Moraes struggles to adjust to a foreign country, foreign culture, foreign language and different playing conditions and the weight of leading the line is playing on the young guys’ mind. Kodjia comes back from the ACN tired and out of sorts so does not provide an effective alternative striking option. Goals are hard to come by which makes games an excruciating grind.

-   The right-sided attacker we pursued does not arrive and the unbalanced nature of the attack misfires continually in pre-season and the first few games of the PL as the fill-in Jota tries to adjust to his new team until the player purchase arrives. Even if we eventually get our man or find the right combination up front by the end of August it takes until nearly Christmas before it produces an effective unit.

-   McGinn gets injured in pre-season and is out for 4 months.

-   Mings picks up a niggle in pre-season and the whole defensive unit suffers a lack of cohesion and confidence as they are effectively strangers thrown together for the first time without an on-field leader. The coaching staff works hard at this problem but progress is slow and results faltering. Odd mistakes of communication and positioning, inevitable throughout a steep learning process, are made at crucial points in games and results are poor even if performances are getting better.

-   Pursestrings says in an interview that the strategy is in place for the future of the club to be balanced but that means off-field capital requirements and FFP rules mean that player acquisition needs to stop before buying Butland, another centre back and a defensive midfielder let alone £25 to £30m for another striker. A tacit admission that prices have gone haywire and we won’t be paying them now but will look again in January.  The coaching staff and the fans know this leaves us 3 players short before we start. Confidence collapses on fan sites.
-   The Beeb and Sky, as part of their build-ups to the new season, pitch their Villa coverage as ‘Can the inexperienced manager and thrown-together team at Villa avoid relegation?’ and play that skewed message on an endless loop. Pundits do what pundits do and fall back lazily on every cliché they can find; ‘Chances are that promoted teams get relegated’, ‘You can’t build a new team and expect it to win quickly’, ‘The gap between Championship and PL is too great’ etc. Traditional Brummie pessimism kicks in and the first serious shouts of ‘Smith Out, we need someone to rescue our season’ are written before the end of August, fuelling another merry-go-round of media coverage on the topic of ‘Smith has only 5 games to turn the season around before Thierry Henry is bought in’.

We all know those things could happen.

There’s not much we can do about player targeting and acquisition, tactics, training and team cohesion, capital budgeting, the money in the PL or players agents but we can do something about the rest of it. Which might ultimately help.

That probably starts with realistic expectations. It’s not realistic to say anything like ‘Our new owners are minted so spunk another £30m on the next player linked with us in the gutter press’. There are rules, there are real financial limits and everyone needs to realise that. If we want a club that gets better it involves a rounded expansion of the capacities of the club not just unbalanced progression in one aspect. That destroys wage structures, causes team disharmony and does not improve results anywhere, especially on the pitch. It’s a team game not an individual one and I’m happy that Deano shows he knows that at every possible point in time.

It also probably means that we need to become more resilient to not battering teams we play every week; this last 6 months has seen a wonderful uptick in the style of football we play and that’s thrilling. But with half the squad being new it’s unlikely we will see that excitement return consistently for at least the next 3 months. It’s a different league, different team, new situation; we can’t expect it to look and feel like Wembley every week. Sorry to pop that bubble. The team will feel like it is taking a step backwards from those heady days of the 10-game winning run but it’s not, it’s just adjusting to a new world and we need to know that before it happens so we don’t agonise ‘we should be beating that lot every week’. We shouldn’t and we probably won’t. Yet. But give the staff and team a chance to get there, eh?

And it probably involves taking a step back and enjoying the ride. Last Summer the club was dead. I mean really dead; just waiting for the axe to fall. This time 4 months ago we had given up the season. The only thing those lessons should teach us is that we should enjoy the ride.

So let’s make a pact on here; nobody even mentions points or position in the table until Bonfire night. Let’s just make up new chants for the terraces, buy season tickets, laugh at the bluenoses, cheer our heads off at the grounds whenever we see something we like, and generally enjoy being back in the circus. We've got a reputation to uphold of being 'real' fans of a big club so let's concentrate on that. Support the team, through whatever life throws at us, and enjoy the ride. We’re in good hands so trust in that fact.

UTV


Transfer window shuts first day of the season
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?

Although I didn't see Bree, Chester was snapped at BMH yesterday. Would he have reported for a day and then made his way to Lindley? Not outside the realms of possibility I suppose. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 04, 2019, 11:56:24 AM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.

My mother in law is a proud Saints fan, as is most of her part of the family. I am very lucky having such a cool mother in law, she is a huge football fan, a fountain of knowledge, and also brought up a rather fantastic daughter. Her sister was in the final of mastermind this year, so I’m guessing they are not all simpletons!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2019, 12:02:44 PM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.

My mother in law is a proud Saints fan, as is most of her part of the family. I am very lucky having such a cool mother in law, she is a huge football fan, a fountain of knowledge, and also brought up a rather fantastic daughter. Her sister was in the final of mastermind this year, so I’m guessing they are not all simpletons!


I married into a family of scouse they are lovely , there is always an exceptions
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 04, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?

Part of a deal for Phillips? Leeds is only down the road from Lindley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 04, 2019, 12:24:39 PM
TL;DR, JFC


????

Translation please for an Oldtimer not down with the kids
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2019, 12:26:51 PM
Too long, didn't read. Justice for Catalonia.

I'm not sure about the last bit, I'll be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
Thinking about it, it might be Jelly For Christmas.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2019, 12:29:19 PM
Stop quoting the ducking post. I read it all and was impressed with its wisdom. I do appreciate Allan now, just stop quoting him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
Too long, didn't read. Justice for Catalonia.

I'm not sure about the last bit, I'll be honest.

It was "Jesus Fucking Christ", but thinking about it now I like your version better
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on July 04, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?
With Chester's injury background last season I can't see many clubs going for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2019, 02:33:41 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?
With Chester's injury background last season I can't see many clubs going for him.

thought the same about Mings  but know what you mean.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 04, 2019, 02:50:50 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?

Part of a deal for Phillips? Leeds is only down the road from Lindley.

Or Huddersfield's Terence Kongolo?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?

Part of a deal for Phillips? Leeds is only down the road from Lindley.

Or Huddersfield's Terence Kongolo?

That's what I had assumed. If true of course
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Havencheese on July 04, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
I began chatting up a nice south coast girl wearing a Soton top here in the city centre of Melbourne about twenty years ago, that was until she mentioned the shirt she was wearing was her boyfriend's. Still she was very pleasant.

Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 02:52:42 PM
I began chatted up a nice south coast girl wearing a Soton top here in the city centre of Melbourne about twenty years ago, that was until she mentioned the shirt she was wearing was her boyfriend's. Still she was very pleasant.

Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.

They've always been Shampton to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nodge on July 04, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
It’s FTA now not WBA
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2019, 05:19:35 PM
this might be interesting - according to various people on a Huddersfield fans forum both Chester and Bree are staying at the Manor House Hotel in Lindley. A player exchange deal perhaps?
With Chester's injury background last season I can't see many clubs going for him.

I can think of a club that will be there or thereabouts with a bid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2019, 05:31:06 PM
And one who will encourage him to go again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2019, 06:43:40 PM
Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.

I've always wondered why QPR is the only football abbreviation we use when we speak. We say
West Brom not WBA
Preston not PNE
Brighton not BHA
West Ham not WHU
Queen of the South not QOTS etc.

Is it simply that their name is comprised of 2 Scottish teams names?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 06:58:13 PM
Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.

I've always wondered why QPR is the only football abbreviation we use when we speak. We say
West Brom not WBA
Preston not PNE
Brighton not BHA
West Ham not WHU
Queen of the South not QOTS etc.

Is it simply that their name is comprised of 2 Scottish teams names?


Simple - it's what they refer to themselves as. They style themselves as an acronym and the others dont.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 04, 2019, 07:16:07 PM
 I have always referred to Preston North End as Pee Enn Eee?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 04, 2019, 07:53:30 PM
I have always referred to Preston North End as Pee Enn Eee?

I live in Preston, fans here Usually refer to them as PNE or North End.

And to Blackpool as Donkey Lashers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2019, 08:30:10 PM
I have always referred to Preston North End as Pee Enn Eee?

We have quite a lot of those flowers in our garden.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hinckley Dave on July 04, 2019, 08:50:53 PM
As a fellow gardener I found that very amusing Dave...I might be the only one but very good
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 08:55:40 PM
I don't think you need to be a gardener to know what a peony is...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2019, 08:57:19 PM
Now Huddersfield's takeover has gone through and their new Chairman installed, I hope we push through with the Kangolo transfer.  He seems to be a very decent player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
I don't think you need to be a gardener to know what a peony is...

Yeah, those small horses are really cute!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 04, 2019, 09:29:25 PM
I don't think you need to be a gardener to know what a peony is...

Its a football club in the North West of England.  I used to live about 300 yards fom the stadium...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 04, 2019, 09:43:18 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

One of my best mates is a Southampton fan. If you'd said 'Jaegerbombs' instead of 'food', I'd be sure we were talking about the same fella. I love him dearly.

It’s hardly an onslaught from our country cousins is it? There’s only about 6 passed a comment .

I'm not sure what your point is, but I'd defend like Aly Cissokho your right to make it.
I thank you good Sir,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.

My mother in law is a proud Saints fan, as is most of her part of the family. I am very lucky having such a cool mother in law, she is a huge football fan, a fountain of knowledge, and also brought up a rather fantastic daughter. Her sister was in the final of mastermind this year, so I’m guessing they are not all simpletons!


I read an article a year or two back and the Premier League club with the most season ticket holders outside of the area postcode wasn't Manure or Liverpool but Southampton. Also, apparently pound for pound Southampton fans were richer than any other fans in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2019, 11:08:10 PM
Southampton fans seem to be taking delight selling us their rejects. Let's send them to the Championship.

Too bloody right! I just read this (yes I know it's Twatter but coming from a team I'd forgotten which league they were in)..

Villa buying our deadwood (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/03/southampton-fans-react-to-reports-linking-aston-villa-with-jack/). Tossers.

Most of the Southampton fans I have had the misfortune to speak to over the years have been a bit backward. 





I've never met a Southampton fan. There's a pointless fact.


I think I have only ever met one. A guy who worked with one of my best mates. My mate nicknamed him 'Saints'.  Our mate pointed him out to us once when he was in the same Indian restaurant as us late on a Saturday night. 'Saints' was so drunk he was missing his mouth when attempting to shovel as much food as he could into it.

One of my best mates is a Southampton fan. If you'd said 'Jaegerbombs' instead of 'food', I'd be sure we were talking about the same fella. I love him dearly.

It’s hardly an onslaught from our country cousins is it? There’s only about 6 passed a comment .

I'm not sure what your point is, but I'd defend like Aly Cissokho your right to make it.
I thank you good Sir,

Thanks for getting back to me on this brentaston. I mainly contribute fuck all on this site apart from lame, unsuccessful attempts to be funny, and this was, in my arrogant opinion, my finest work. Haterz gonna hate. Inddefferenterz gonna indifferent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2019, 11:41:19 PM
Being a bit hard on yourself there SE. Your lame attempts at being funny aren’t always unsuccessful. I’m a fan anyway, at least.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2019, 11:46:20 PM
Being a bit hard on yourself there SE. Your lame attempts at being funny aren’t always unsuccessful. I’m a fan anyway, at least.

Thanks mate. This is about transfers though, not me *points to transfer thread all about me in OT*

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2019, 05:52:30 AM
Speaking of transfers, considering we are possibly 6/7 players from having a competitive squad, including 2 centre halves, 2 midfielders, a winger, a keeper and a second striker, it has all gone very quiet. I guess it is because to get our first choices in those positions it would set us back the best part of £130 million, so it will be interesting to see what our alternatives are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 05, 2019, 06:14:36 AM
I don't know any Southampton fans by the way.

My mother in law is a proud Saints fan, as is most of her part of the family. I am very lucky having such a cool mother in law, she is a huge football fan, a fountain of knowledge, and also brought up a rather fantastic daughter. Her sister was in the final of mastermind this year, so I’m guessing they are not all simpletons!


I read an article a year or two back and the Premier League club with the most season ticket holders outside of the area postcode wasn't Manure or Liverpool but Southampton. Also, apparently pound for pound Southampton fans were richer than any other fans in the top flight.

Back in my student days I had an acquaintance who was a Pompey fan.  I remember him telling me that Portsmouth's support was drawn from the city but Southampton was the county's team getting support from small town and rural Hampshire.

(Incidentally, this was because the other guy in the conversation was a Norwich fan about to go off to the Milk Cup final and was explaining why "all of Norfolk" would be going to Wembley.)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2019, 06:40:28 AM
The Wesley deal pretty much came out of the blue and the Targett deal changed over the course of a weekend from being a name speculated about to a done deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 05, 2019, 06:47:39 AM
The Wesley deal pretty much came out of the blue and the Targett deal changed over the course of a weekend from being a name speculated about to a done deal.

And we've got bids in for Butland, Webster, Mings and Phillips. Still a month to go. We've signed 5 in 5 weeks and signed more than anyone else in the division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 05, 2019, 08:07:07 AM
Maupay off to Sheffield United then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
Maupay off to Sheffield United then?

That's a good signing for them. One we should have made IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 05, 2019, 08:16:26 AM
Agree £15m seems like fuck all in this current climate
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 05, 2019, 08:24:42 AM
Maupay off to Sheffield United then?

That's a good signing for them. One we should have made IMO.

Agreed. He looks as if he could make the jump up to the prem

I assume we have other targets if we’re not interested
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 08:37:39 AM
Perhaps they are offering him first team football and we couldn't guarantee it. I want it to happen, but it still might be asking a bit much for us to attract top talent willing to play second fiddle to Weselino as a newly-promoted club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2019, 08:46:00 AM
Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.

I've always wondered why QPR is the only football abbreviation we use when we speak. We say
West Brom not WBA
Preston not PNE
Brighton not BHA
West Ham not WHU
Queen of the South not QOTS etc.

Is it simply that their name is comprised of 2 Scottish teams names?


QOTS were ok at the start, but not as good as Kyuss
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 08:46:54 AM
Whatever happened to the abbreviation Soton? I don't think I've noticed WBA either, probably a good thing West Brom looks half arsed.

I've always wondered why QPR is the only football abbreviation we use when we speak. We say
West Brom not WBA
Preston not PNE
Brighton not BHA
West Ham not WHU
Queen of the South not QOTS etc.

Is it simply that their name is comprised of 2 Scottish teams names?


QOTS were ok at the start, but not as good as Kyuss

Ba-dum-tshh.

One of the better ones on here lately, bravo. - I disagree mind you ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2019, 08:51:30 AM
I can't help thinking we won't now see Mings, Phillips or Webster come in - there's never been any other club associated with them so there is no bidding war - they're simply too expensive. That's just my opinion of course, and if I'm proved wrong, I'm  wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
TNS?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 05, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
As a fellow gardener I found that very amusing Dave...I might be the only one but very good
It got a smile here. And I hate gardening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 05, 2019, 09:25:35 AM
Perhaps they are offering him first team football and we couldn't guarantee it. I want it to happen, but it still might be asking a bit much for us to attract top talent willing to play second fiddle to Weselino as a newly-promoted club.

Play them both. I would prefer one winger rather than the two we played last year
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2019, 09:45:38 AM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2019, 09:46:54 AM
Maupay off to Sheffield United then?

That's a good signing for them. One we should have made IMO.
Yes, I was hoping we were in for him too but clearly not. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 05, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
I'm not. Davis is completely untested at this level, and Kodjia has lost something due to his injuries. As for Wes, time will tell, but I think it would be foolish to go into the season with only those three as recognised centre forwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 05, 2019, 09:48:49 AM
We’d loan Davis out if we got another one which would be a good move for all concerned. He needs games and quickly if he’s going to make the grade at any level
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2019, 09:49:01 AM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
Not if Wesley doesn't hit the ground running it's not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 05, 2019, 09:51:52 AM
We absolutely need another striker, and I'm sure we'll getting one. Agree that Davis needs a loan too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2019, 09:51:58 AM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
Not if Wesley doesn't hit the ground running it's not.

I agree, it's nowhere near enough. Davis didn't really do enough to prove he could handle the Championship. Kodjia blows hot and cold, mostly cold since his injury.

I think we'd be asking for trouble if we were to rely on those three.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 05, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
Anyone else missing the transfer alegbra?

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2019, 10:07:54 AM
Personally I'd like another striker who can play up front or out wide, then him and Kodjia both offer cover for upfront and the wings. By having cover like that we can keep people like Green, RHM and Davis around the squad and gives them games where possible without having to rely on them. I get the arugment to loan them out but I think it's probably a bit late for that now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Even if we do that we still minimum one more winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on July 05, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan. RHM did well on loan as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2019, 11:05:25 AM
Even if we do that we still minimum one more winger.

I'm really not sure if we do, if we'd signed Jota direct from Bournemouth rather than him wasting a couple of years across the city I reckon most people would be happy to give him a chance on the right, AEG deserves a chance to start on the left and then we'd have Kodj, new forward and Green all competing as options. If bring in someone else we'd need to move one of them on, which in truth means Kodjia or Green. Neither of them were great last season but I'd be happy to give them until Christmas.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 11:44:09 AM
We need a brilliant amazing dead good winger. Preferably two.

If Green finds himself starting matches with any sort of regularity it will be an oversight of similar proportions to the one that saw the idiot Bruce playing Jedinak at centre-half in the early parts of last season.

I'm not convinced Kodjia will make it as a Premier League winger, either. I can't be arsed with gambling. Much better to get in some superstar. Bale would do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2019, 12:01:43 PM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
Not if Wesley doesn't hit the ground running it's not.

I agree, it's nowhere near enough. Davis didn't really do enough to prove he could handle the Championship. Kodjia blows hot and cold, mostly cold since his injury.

I think we'd be asking for trouble if we were to rely on those three.

Can I have a Rafael Leao from Lille, please? The kid is an out and out goal machine. Everton and Valencia are sniffing around, he may be expensive but he'd be a fantastic investment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2019, 12:03:30 PM
Apparently we have bid £12m for Mbwana Sumatta from Genk but they are holding out for £15m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan. RHM did well on loan as well

Farbeit from me to tell anyone to stop hoping, but.............
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
Apparently we have bid £12m for Mbwana Sumatta from Genk but they are holding out for £15m.

Who
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2019, 12:14:51 PM
Geez, it's sounds like most of you lot are writing off our record signing Wesley before he's even kicked a ball. I'd suggest we've signed him with the intention of playing him and i'd suggest that we're going to continue with 1 centre forward so having the 'promising' Davis and the 'might come good again played in the correct position' Kodjia as 2 back up's would be plenty for the first season. Maybe if we get to Jan and none of them are firing we would look at it then.
Personally i think it's absolutely critical that we get Mings (or equivalent) and a really good right winger. I would then say it's vitally important that we get a defensive midfielder and another centre back as cover and i think a goalkeeper would be a bonus, although i really don't think Steer has done a lot wrong and Kalinic is hardly tested for us yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
Apparently we have bid £12m for Mbwana Sumatta from Genk but they are holding out for £15m.

Who

Genk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
Tanzania captain. They aren't in the top fifty in the World Rankings (or anywhere near) so we would be waiting a while on a work permit same as with Weselino.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2019, 12:24:18 PM
Hope he's an accelerator
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2019, 12:24:50 PM
If Wesley was out for a while, I wouldn't want to rely on Kodija or an unproven lad. I'm hoping we can sell Kodija and either loan Davis out or use him as a back-up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 12:27:43 PM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan. RHM did well on loan as well

Farbeit from me to tell anyone to stop hoping, but.............

Hey come on now, don't be pessimistic.

I still haven't given up on Tony Cascarino, yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2019, 12:31:10 PM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan. RHM did well on loan as well

Farbeit from me to tell anyone to stop hoping, but.............

Hey come on now, don't be pessimistic.

I still haven't given up on Tony Cascarino, yet.

Is Gary Penrice back for pre season training ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
The dream team. We can only hope.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
Simon Stainrod just needs a break and I'm sure the goals will follow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 12:45:04 PM
Never forget. Luke Moore once scored 6 goals in one game in pre-season. There's still a player there, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 05, 2019, 12:46:29 PM
Niklas Helenius anyone, I think he's still looking for his shorts
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2019, 12:56:31 PM
Apparently we have bid £12m for Mbwana Sumatta from Genk but they are holding out for £15m.

What's Samatta you, hey
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan. RHM did well on loan as well

Farbeit from me to tell anyone to stop hoping, but.............



I think there is a player in Scott Hogan. But if there is it is a Championship player and not a Premier League player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 05, 2019, 01:33:54 PM
Maupay off to Sheffield United then?

That's a good signing for them. One we should have made IMO.
Yes, I was hoping we were in for him too but clearly not. 

Perhaps he can only play in red and white stripes. He could turn out to be another Brentford striker who left for a big fee and failed to justify it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 05, 2019, 02:50:19 PM
Not being pessimistic but we have to spend money on class players who have an edge eg Benrahma-Lolley-Wilson-Butland-Gail. We need game changers to enhance the quality we already have. Grealish-Mcginn-Wesley. We have got to grasp premiership mentality. And like now !!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2019, 02:54:27 PM
Not being pessimistic but we have to spend money on class players who have an edge eg Benrahma-Lolley-Wilson-Butland-Gail. We need game changers to enhance the quality we already have. Grealish-Mcginn-Wesley. We have got to grasp premiership mentality. And like now !!!!!
I'm not sure we can put Wesley up there with Jack and SJM yet.  Most of us have never seen him play.  None of us have seen him play in the Premier League.  For that matter none of us have seen SJM play in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
Im still hopeful there is a player in scott Hogan? ;D
Well if there is he wins the Gold Medal for hiding.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
It took 30 years to find the Japanese Second World War Soldier, i reckon Scott Hogan “ the player” will prove even more illusive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 05, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
I also think Hogan isn't as bad as some make out.  He's never had a proper run in the team to see what he can do except where it was hoofed up to him as if it was John Carew.  And even then he managed to score a few.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
five I think and then, as fleeting as the spark from a strike of a match, he was gone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2019, 05:46:17 PM
Philips May be signing a new deal with Leeds. ( Some Yorkshire post journo)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2019, 06:57:26 PM
Philips May be signing a new deal with Leeds. ( Some Yorkshire post journo)

Time to move on.  I was never convinced he was that good anyway and fuck Leeds, I don't want us to bankroll their promotion challenge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 05, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
Genuinely hoped we would have a few more over the line by now. As an absolute minimum we need x2 CB’s, DM, Winger, Striker. Ideally add in another GK, CM and Winger. Means we need in 0.83 a week or ideally 1.33 a week from now
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 05, 2019, 07:32:20 PM
Not being pessimistic but we have to spend money on class players who have an edge eg Benrahma-Lolley-Wilson-Butland-Gail. We need game changers to enhance the quality we already have. Grealish-Mcginn-Wesley. We have got to grasp premiership mentality. And like now !!!!!
I'm not sure we can put Wesley up there with Jack and SJM yet.  Most of us have never seen him play.  None of us have seen him play in the Premier League.  For that matter none of us have seen SJM play in the Premier League.

I’m confused which of you is pessimistic then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
Not being pessimistic but we have to spend money on class players who have an edge eg Benrahma-Lolley-Wilson-Butland-Gail. We need game changers to enhance the quality we already have. Grealish-Mcginn-Wesley. We have got to grasp premiership mentality. And like now !!!!!
I'm not sure we can put Wesley up there with Jack and SJM yet.  Most of us have never seen him play.  None of us have seen him play in the Premier League.  For that matter none of us have seen SJM play in the Premier League.

I’m confused which of you is pessimistic then?
I don't think either of us is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 05, 2019, 07:43:27 PM
We got into the premiership by the skin of our teeth. We can't expect to suddenly make signings that are going to put us into the top 10. Patience and a realistic aim of survival will suffice for me this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2019, 07:48:33 PM
I must assume we’ve got our ducks in line, talked to agents and made sure the players are keen and that the team may sell for the right price. But not shown our hands on the deals where we know there’s no competition, to get the best price.... 🤞 could go to deadline day for a couple.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2019, 08:08:03 PM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.
Not if Wesley doesn't hit the ground running it's not.

I agree with Griswold.  If we signed both then one is destined to be a failure as our formation cannot accommodate both.  Give Wes the shirt (kodj as back up) and reassess next summer or January worst case.

To put it another way, £15m is a very expensive insurance policy when other areas of the team need addressing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 05, 2019, 08:23:58 PM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.

WTF .. I bet the PL defences are currently losing sleep over that prospect i'm sure

We know Davis and Kodjia aren't PL starting quality and we have zero idea how Big Wes will fair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 05, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Not being pessimistic but we have to spend money on class players who have an edge eg Benrahma-Lolley-Wilson-Butland-Gail. We need game changers to enhance the quality we already have. Grealish-Mcginn-Wesley. We have got to grasp premiership mentality. And like now !!!!!
I'm not sure we can put Wesley up there with Jack and SJM yet.  Most of us have never seen him play.  None of us have seen him play in the Premier League.  For that matter none of us have seen SJM play in the Premier League.

I’m confused which of you is pessimistic then?
I don't think either of us is.

We are both merely sharing a point of view. Most of the squad have not played in the prem. So technically they are all a "gamble". just feel we need flair & gifted players to survive the first season …….
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2019, 09:08:33 PM
I must assume we’ve got our ducks in line, talked to agents and made sure the players are keen and that the team may sell for the right price. But not shown our hands on the deals where we know there’s no competition, to get the best price.... 🤞 could go to deadline day for a couple.

I hope so, it makes things more exciting. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 05, 2019, 09:11:47 PM
Davis is a promising young player but unfortunately he cannot score
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2019, 09:13:12 PM
I still reckon he will come good but wouldn't want to put too much pressure on him just yet. At least one more forward is essential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 05, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
If we go into this season with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis as our attacking options we will be fighting the drop. That is a nailed on fact. It won’t happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2019, 10:04:45 PM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
I would be amazed if another striker and a winger don't sign before the window is out. Too important to go in light in forward areas. One injury and you are stuffed.

We desperately need to then add 2 centre halves still (ideally Mings and Webster but that looks very expensive) and in my opinion 2 midfielders who can play the holding role, one specialist holder and one who can get stuck in but cover ground like McGinn. Again, injuries etc, we need cover. Lansbury is not my idea of midfield cover.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2019, 10:32:52 PM
I suspect that Villa wanted to mostly buy British as they fit in quicker but because some of the clubs negotiated with are taking the piss, we might have to rethink, which is why things are taking longer?  Brizzle wanting 20mill for Webster, Brentford the same for Benrahma, Leeds for Phillips, is a financial gamble that we may have to go foreign for to get cheaper deals.  Still a gamble, but a more cost effective one.  If we purchase just one defensive midfielder, we are vulnerable if he gets injured, therefore, I hope we double up on centre backs, midfielders, wingers and strikers.  That might be way too may players to bring in, in this window, but the bench won't be much cop at this level unless we try.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2019, 10:55:46 PM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
20 from midfield and defence? Feckin hell, I’ll have a pint of what your on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 05, 2019, 11:04:59 PM
I like my summer signings to arrive as quickly as possible. Gives them time to settle in, be part of the pre-season fitness and tactical sessions, bond with the squad and find somewhere to live so they are as sorted as they can be come the first game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
I like my summer signings to arrive as quickly as possible. Gives them time to settle in, be part of the pre-season fitness and tactical sessions, bond with the squad and find somewhere to live so they are as sorted as they can be come the first game.

I like my summer signings like i like my paedophile mezzo-sopranos. On a register only available to dogs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2019, 11:21:22 PM
I'm with you andyh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
I actually don't see the point in another centre forward. Playing the way we did last season, we have Wesley, Davis and Kodjia for one position, i'm sure that'll be enough.

WTF .. I bet the PL defences are currently losing sleep over that prospect i'm sure

We know Davis and Kodjia aren't PL starting quality and we have zero idea how Big Wes will fair.

Honesty, I couldn't give a flying fuck what you're sure about or anything you 'know' without any evidence to back it up.
Put it this way, if when we've spent the £60-£70m we'll probably need to spend on the essential 2 centre backs, holding midfielder and winger and then the £10-£20m on the goalkeeper that is more urgent than a new centre forward and we still have £15m plus to spunk on a 4th/5th centre forward to sit on the bench then I'm all for it. It's not like we've made a habit of having unbalanced squads in recent seasons is it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2019, 11:37:57 PM
As an old git, maybe stop moaning and let the management team do their business
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 05, 2019, 11:58:34 PM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
20 from midfield and defence? Feckin hell, I’ll have a pint of what your on.


It's not that much, 5 from Grealish, McGinn and El Ghazi and then a couple from Mings when he returns and you're pretty much there.

We certainly do need another striker though. Seen many strikers come from Holland/Belgium leagues and really struggle to step up.

Hopefully Wesley can but in any case sure the reports are he's a slightly more prolific Davis and we're getting him more as he seems excellent at holding the ball up and bringing midfield and wide players into play.

Said it before but if that's the route we're going down I'd take Rondon as the experience striker. West Ham looking at him now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2019, 12:28:41 AM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
20 from midfield and defence? Feckin hell, I’ll have a pint of what your on.


Last season our defence and midfield (not including the wingers) scored 37 in the league, there's less games and it's a higher standard but getting a little more than half that really isn't a stretch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2019, 02:34:54 AM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
20 from midfield and defence? Feckin hell, I’ll have a pint of what your on.


Last season our defence and midfield (not including the wingers) scored 37 in the league, there's less games and it's a higher standard but getting a little more than half that really isn't a stretch.

Hourihane and McGinn will get significantly less opportunity to shoot from range in the PL as midfielders pushing forward are afforded significantly less time and space than in the Championship. I'd be surprised to see either of them score more than a couple each, to be honest. Grealish, on the flip side - simply by virtue of the fact that he'll hopefully play more games and continue to excel as the wonderful player he is - should score more than last year. Not enough to make up the deficit of the other two, however, so I suspect we'll fall short of your estimate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 06, 2019, 06:29:07 AM
Gary Cahill to join according to reports. If true a no brainer as he's on a free. Will add vast experience. Get Mings in and the CB positions look a lot better. Still need another.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2019, 06:45:05 AM
Mings, Cahill, Hause and Chester would be a decent 4 to go into the season with to be fair. Experience, youth, pace and leadership in there. Targett and Taylor at left back, Freddy and Elmo at right. You would argue it is a much, much healthier defensive line up than when we came down last time. Mings and Cahill would work quite well together too. Just got to get Mings now!

Really decent holding midfielder and we could look quite a solid outfit. For me Cahill on a free makes a lot more sense than spending £25 million on Webster too. Let Brizzle keep him a season, watch them not go up again and buy him for half the price next summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 06, 2019, 06:51:55 AM
Gary Cahill to join according to reports. If true a no brainer as he's on a free. Will add vast experience. Get Mings in and the CB positions look a lot better. Still need another.

Agree that sorts out the defence for now. DCM, with possible GK upgrade and attacking player/forward. All of a sudden looks like a team which could hold its' own
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 06, 2019, 07:34:23 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 06, 2019, 07:42:10 AM
Cahill is perfect very happy if it happens
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 06, 2019, 07:52:42 AM
Cahill make sense in that we cant spend 200 million on transfers this season, much in the same was as Jota makes sense. The squad was thread bear in a lot of positions last season and now my not only need starters but bench players as well.
By the time we sign a new keeper plus mings and a cdm we will have spent in the region of 100 million including all the bodys already through the door. I would imagine that's more than any of us dreamed of at the final whistle of the playoff final and that still in my eyes leaves us a back striker a back up cdm and a winger light. Cahill for a year or 2 will allow us to reassess either in jan or next year as will jota it's just smart business
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2019, 08:21:43 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
He doesn't but - if the Cahill thing is true - there's clearly a recognition that (i) we need to balance philosophy with the need for experience, (ii) the market for young talent is too frothy right now, and (iii) good CB have got a life through to 36-7 if looked after.
Also, I'd say the squad needs more Prem experience in it, to ride the tough times. Given that he was Terry's CB partner for a while, it's almost a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
Isn't the cahill thing only in the star?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 06, 2019, 08:28:15 AM
All fair points Mister E, I would still be surprised if it does happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2019, 08:29:06 AM
More generally, I think there are 5 weeks till the window closes

We've done lots of business but probably aren't even halfway done yet. At what point do we worry? Building half a new team, in a new league, always set the alarm bells running (not that we had much choice) but a good pre season, especially for the defence, seems pivotal

A couple of weeks?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 06, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
Cahill coming home on a free is a no brainer. There are similarities to Jagielka going back to Sheff Utd.

I would guess our permanent starting pair will be Mings and A.N.Other , but you could do worse than having Chester, Hause and Cahill as cover for injuries, suspensions and cup games.


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2019, 08:55:16 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
He doesn't but - if the Cahill thing is true - there's clearly a recognition that (i) we need to balance philosophy with the need for experience, (ii) the market for young talent is too frothy right now, and (iii) good CB have got a life through to 36-7 if looked after.
Also, I'd say the squad needs more Prem experience in it, to ride the tough times. Given that he was Terry's CB partner for a while, it's almost a no-brainer.

It's a bit worrying that Cahill chose to kick his heels on their bench last season rather than going on loan and playing football. I expect Smith will want someone a bit quicker so we can play a higher defensive line.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2019, 09:09:02 AM
More generally, I think there are 5 weeks till the window closes

We've done lots of business but probably aren't even halfway done yet. At what point do we worry? Building half a new team, in a new league, always set the alarm bells running (not that we had much choice) but a good pre season, especially for the defence, seems pivotal

A couple of weeks?

It's a bit worrying already to be honest. Given we will have practically a new team by the end of the transfer window, we really need a good pre season to bed everyone in. Transfer business seems surprisingly slow across the division this summer. A
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on July 06, 2019, 09:18:42 AM
Well we’ve been hit with a bit of a perfect storm here, finished the season later than everyone else, all the selling clubs know we need signings so are driving hard bargains and it doesn’t help that the season kicks off so early in August. Cahill makes sense to me for the reasons mentioned, free, experienced and knows the club.

I’d be interested to see if Pitrich has a few more surprises in the next 2 weeks, a quality DM if Phillips is priced out would be the priority for him if Mings, Butland and Cahill eventually arrive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2019, 09:22:34 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
He doesn't but - if the Cahill thing is true - there's clearly a recognition that (i) we need to balance philosophy with the need for experience, (ii) the market for young talent is too frothy right now, and (iii) good CB have got a life through to 36-7 if looked after.
Also, I'd say the squad needs more Prem experience in it, to ride the tough times. Given that he was Terry's CB partner for a while, it's almost a no-brainer.

It's a bit worrying that Cahill chose to kick his heels on their bench last season rather than going on loan and playing football. I expect Smith will want someone a bit quicker so we can play a higher defensive line.

Not necessarily. Maybe he backed himself as good enough for a starting place and spent the season trying to get back in the team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2019, 09:24:48 AM
Undecided re: Cahill. He could be inspired, or it could be that he's gone, like Richards or Lescott. I suppose the fact that he's coming direct from a top club rather than via an unconvincing loan at Fiorentina or a year at West Brom suggests he is more likely to be good for us. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 06, 2019, 09:27:16 AM
If we go into this season with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis as our attacking options we will be fighting the drop. That is a nailed on fact. It won’t happen.

Plain and simple.

We don't know yet how quickly Wes will settle. Kodjia is far to slow for this league and Davis...I'm not convinced he will make it.
I would look to get someone like Hernandez in from West Ham. he wouldn't cost the earth to buy, probably less than £10 million, a proven goalscorer, loves to feed off scraps in the box and would be a great foil for big Wes. He may be 31 now but I reckon still good for another couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 06, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
Hernandez is on 145k a week at the Spammers, so you can file that idea in the bin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Karlos96 on July 06, 2019, 09:35:53 AM
I wouldn't want Cahill back hardly played for Chelsea last season and prior to that when he has played he's been poor.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 09:37:57 AM
Isn't the cahill thing only in the star?
:(
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 06, 2019, 09:40:19 AM
If we go into this season with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis as our attacking options we will be fighting the drop. That is a nailed on fact. It won’t happen.

Plain and simple.

We don't know yet how quickly Wes will settle. Kodjia is far to slow for this league and Davis...I'm not convinced he will make it.
I would look to get someone like Hernandez in from West Ham. he wouldn't cost the earth to buy, probably less than £10 million, a proven goalscorer, loves to feed off scraps in the box and would be a great foil for big Wes. He may be 31 now but I reckon still good for another couple of seasons.

100% need another striker. One who can play wide would be ideal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2019, 09:44:11 AM
That Tanzanian sounds alright. If we are paying £22 million for a guy that scored ten in the Belgian League, paying £15 million for a guy that scored twenty-five in the same division seems a bargain.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2019, 09:47:19 AM
Wesley seems to drift out to wide left a lot too from what I have read, so maybe another central striker might be something we are looking at. I really like Maupay but it seems Smith/ Villa don't fancy paying £20 plus million for him which would make sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 06, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
Isn't the cahill thing only in the star?
:(

Cahill would be good, but this thought also crossed my mind.

As for Wesley, i'm expecting him to be a centre forward who will keep hold of the ball and bring others into it, for example the wide players either side of him, the drifting forward Grealish and possibly the bombing forward McGinn. The key to scoring lots of goals is getting lots of players in advanced positions who are all cabable of finding the net, see Man Utd in their pomp.
Davis is the same sort of player but i would imagine a lesser version.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 06, 2019, 10:09:07 AM
  Currently at a function very near Cardiff city stadium and on pretty good authority from a friend of NEIL Etheridge that he simply needs to choose between us and Liverpool . Feeling is it will be us as he’s worked with deano and NEIL cutler before. Probably tie up next week
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
He doesn't but - if the Cahill thing is true - there's clearly a recognition that (i) we need to balance philosophy with the need for experience, (ii) the market for young talent is too frothy right now, and (iii) good CB have got a life through to 36-7 if looked after.
Also, I'd say the squad needs more Prem experience in it, to ride the tough times. Given that he was Terry's CB partner for a while, it's almost a no-brainer.

It's a bit worrying that Cahill chose to kick his heels on their bench last season rather than going on loan and playing football. I expect Smith will want someone a bit quicker so we can play a higher defensive line.

Not necessarily. Maybe he backed himself as good enough for a starting place and spent the season trying to get back in the team.

Was clear from early on that he was a long way down Sarri's pecking order. Certainly by Jan it was anyway. If he was that bothered about playing he would have gone on loan. Also we already have Chester as backup right centre back so if we are strengthening that position it has to be with a certain starter, don't think that is Cahill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2019, 10:23:39 AM
For me you need to be looking at scoring about 45-50 goals to be secure in midtable. I'd back Hourihane, McGinn and Jack and the defenders to get about 20 so for me we need 25 goals from Wesley, El Ghazi, Jota and their backups/competitions. If Wesley can provide about half of that then he'll have done the job we need this season, 12-13 from him, with 5-6 each for the wide players and we're pretty much there. If we could get another goalscorer to play across that 3 then that'd be fantastic but if we play the way we did once our defence was sorted then we'll be fine.

I'm much more interested in getting a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder and then we can look further forward.
20 from midfield and defence? Feckin hell, I’ll have a pint of what your on.


Last season our defence and midfield (not including the wingers) scored 37 in the league, there's less games and it's a higher standard but getting a little more than half that really isn't a stretch.

Hourihane and McGinn will get significantly less opportunity to shoot from range in the PL as midfielders pushing forward are afforded significantly less time and space than in the Championship. I'd be surprised to see either of them score more than a couple each, to be honest. Grealish, on the flip side - simply by virtue of the fact that he'll hopefully play more games and continue to excel as the wonderful player he is - should score more than last year. Not enough to make up the deficit of the other two, however, so I suspect we'll fall short of your estimate.

We'll see how it pans out but Wesley will create a lot more chances to bring people into play and I think McGinn, in particular, will be able to adapt to that and find space and chances.

More importantly the overall point still stands, you need about 50 goals to finish mid-table and for most teams about 40% of them come from defence and midfield so that's what we should be aiming for. To be clear I don't count the wingers as midfielders because once the ball is in the opposition half they have total freedom to move and find space, the midfield have to be more balanced and ensure that there are numbers if we lose the ball.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 06, 2019, 10:24:11 AM
Not enthused with signing 33 year old who have barely played in a year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 06, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
Would you trust the current set up to get players like Vertout, Amavi and Gueye performing at this level?

I hope and think that they would.

Overpriced British or untried foreign players argument all over again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2019, 10:28:21 AM
I could live with Cahill coming in because, if it happens, I suspect it's because we've been quoted silly numbers for the 2-3 options we had scouted and haven't got anyone else that we're completely confident in. A short contract for a very experienced player whilst we scout for a long term option is fine but I wouldn't expect us to get to that point for a few more weeks yet. Regardless I want 4 centre backs on the books by the end of the window and if that means a stopgap of Cahill then so be it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2019, 10:33:25 AM
I was against Cahill coming back but can see the sense in this.  You can't buy experience and to have an England international back at his first club, to teach the likes of Hause.  It's free, we need shitloads of players, this makes sense. 

On another notes Bournemouth have had a bid for Luton defender, Jack Stacey rejected.  I know nothing about him but wonder if this helps us to buy Mings if they eventually succeed with the Luton signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 06, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.

As a one off acquiring him would be fine
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2019, 11:03:52 AM
I was against Cahill coming back but can see the sense in this.  You can't buy experience and to have an England international back at his first club, to teach the likes of Hause.  It's free, we need shitloads of players, this makes sense. 

On another notes Bournemouth have had a bid for Luton defender, Jack Stacey rejected.  I know nothing about him but wonder if this helps us to buy Mings if they eventually succeed with the Luton signing.

Jack Stacey is used as a RB or DM so do not think it has much bearing on CH position …….
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 06, 2019, 11:06:56 AM
I don't think Cahill will happen and I'm happy with that.

Clearly we have a different approach to recruitment and whilst an exception is possible and sometimes sensible, if it was happening with Cahill it would have happened. He offers experience and leadership but you don't get that if he is sat on the bench.

So if they wanted him in as a first choice option, it would have been done IMO.

You wouldn't sound out a deal for Mings, Webster etc. and have Cahill as a back-up - not when he is likely to become the highest earner (which in turn might bump up the wages of others - parity clauses etc.)

Last minute he might be a deal to do if we still need someone, but it wouldn't be an active option now, again, just my opinion. UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
he's yesterday's man and we are now a club looking at tomorrow. This should be 'file under bullshit'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2019, 11:23:56 AM
I think we can't underestimate how much a bit of experience would be useful in the squad. Look at what Terry and Jedinak added. We have lost Whelan and Jedinak this summer, signing one older player to give us that bit of experience at the back is important IMO. Mings, Hause, Targett, Guilbert have collectively played what, 60 premier league games. We have to be smart and accept that Cahill would actually be a decent signing. In contrast to the Sherwood debacle, he is fitter than Lescott, and the other centre halves are better than we had then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
I wouldn't be totally against it if it happened. I thought he was older than 33 as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 06, 2019, 11:39:33 AM
Dependant on the wage, he would be a good one/two season experienced player. He and Terry could work in tandem coaching on and off the pitch bringing the defence up to "premiership speed." But, as others have said, I'm sure and trust our management team have the situation in hand
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2019, 11:46:32 AM
Cahill would be a super signing - another first choice centre back ie Mings and would be happy with the pot in that position.  Would also expect unless Revan or another in the academy are good enough that Pitarch will be looking at 18-19 year olds home and abroad that can be brought in to learn off Terry/Cahill/Chester so we aren’t looking at 30m investments every summer.

The fact that there are very few of our youngsters in and around the England set up suggests to me that we are pretty weak in the academy so will be looking at signing rather than promoting for the foreseeable
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
I would happily take Cahill for a season or two. Like Clough took Dave Mackay to Derby and Colin Todd to Forest for a year or two. Kenny Dalglish did the same when he took Tony Gale to Blackburn for a year and he helped them win the league. Just as Terry did so well for us in his last season as a player, albeit in the Championship. There is nothing wrong with having one or two veterans in your side so long as you don't have a team full of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 06, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
you cant have a team who most have never played any prem football , championship players and untried foreign players.

We need some experience and need to stay in this league next season.

He knows the club , he knows JT , hes won the lot and plenty of prem experience, its not going to hurt to get him in and cement our prem position for future. 

cahill on a free is a no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 06, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
I would happily take Cahill for a season or two. Like Clough took Dave Mackay to Derby and Colin Todd to Forest for a year or two. Kenny Dalglish did the same when he took Tony Gale to Blackburn for a year and he helped them win the league. Just as Terry did so well for us in his last season as a player, albeit in the Championship. There is nothing wrong with having one or two veterans in your side so long as you don't have a team full of them.
Jim Smith did it with a certain Irish international at the Rams. He got a standing ovation after every home game
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2019, 12:08:19 PM
I'm not promoting Cahill particularly as a must-have but - as I said earlier the market for young talent is too frothy right now, and good CB's have got a life through to 36-7 if looked after.
The squad undoubtedly needs more Prem experience in it, to ride the tough times. Given that he was Terry's CB partner for a while, it wouldn't be a crazy idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 06, 2019, 12:17:50 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 06, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
I will do it for £90?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 06, 2019, 12:48:35 PM
Cahill sends a Micah and Lescott sized shiver down my spine.

50/50 on this one, not sure it’d be the right move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 06, 2019, 12:49:31 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
I will do it for £90?

You any good Chicago  ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 06, 2019, 12:50:46 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.


One season at £100k per week work for me

It grieves me to admit it, but I don't think these qualities and traits are unique to Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
If Gary is willing to come in and rotate with other centre-halves, I'm okay with this. It frees us up to put more money against Mings if needed. The only thing I'd be worried about are his wages but I'd give him 1 year with potential to extend and hopefully that mitigates against the risk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 06, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.


One season at £100k per week work for me

It grieves me to admit it, but I don't think these qualities and traits are unique to Villa.
I was just about to say exactly the same.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 06, 2019, 01:16:52 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?

He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
You forgot to add...The point is you talk the talk but don't walk the walk vis-a-vis you've not yet passed your forklift driver's test. The man who gives the jobs in the warehouse is a personal friend of mine, alright? I know you're the man for the job.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 01:22:16 PM
I've been banging on about needing more experience since the end of last season.  I stand by that but I'm not sure Cahill is the man - I just don't think he's good enough any more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
I don’t mind us bringing in Cahill. His experience in our first year back would be invaluable. But we would need to get another younger, quick CB to play on the right. We simply cannot go into the season with Chester, Cahill and an unproven Revan. It would be suicide.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2019, 01:35:39 PM
Cahill could make sense, but it really depends on who else we are signing.

I am a little concerned that we're focusing (seemingly) on relatively young, inexperienced players. If that's the approach, then fine, but we absolutely need to have some experience to go with it.

That's one reason that 'young and hungry' bullshit failed so spectacularly under Lambert. Players like Veretout were always decent players, but when they looked around for a bit of on-pitch leadership, all they saw was other inexperienced players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 06, 2019, 01:48:34 PM
At 33 and in good nick, Cahill could have 2 even 3 good years left in him. Would be a good idea IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 06, 2019, 01:58:07 PM
Cahill makes absolute sense lets get him in and working with JT at the back we need experience to not do a Fulham 8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 06, 2019, 02:12:12 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?
He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
You forgot to add...The point is you talk the talk but don't walk the walk vis-a-vis you've not yet passed your forklift driver's test. The man who gives the jobs in the warehouse is a personal friend of mine, alright? I know you're the man for the job.

How come you know so much about midgets? Are you passing the book?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2019, 02:24:28 PM
Cahill sends a Micah and Lescott sized shiver down my spine.

50/50 on this one, not sure it’d be the right move.

Well, we'd have to hope he was more of a John Terry type than those two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 06, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
I'm not sure I buy into the back-where-it-all-started, full-circle happy ending when it comes to ex-players. I saw Andy Gray play in 1986 - 87.  However, I do think that our survival in the first season back will depend as much on some been-there, done-that Premier League nous as it will on a crop of possibly great but yet untried younger players.   If Dean and the rest of our management believe that Cahill is that nous, is not too injury prone, fits in with the rest of the planned squad building and offers value for his not inconsiderable wages, he's perhaps worth a one year deal with the club having an option on a second.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 06, 2019, 02:53:17 PM
I have no problem with Cahill coming in. He can do a job for a year or so in squad terms not just in a position we need now but as a leader-type in the dressing room. Bags of experience and loves the club. No problem.

Also makes some sense in succession-planning terms if we lose Terry at the end of the next season or so; possible defense coach at the club, grateful for his first chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2019, 02:58:06 PM
I have no problem with Cahill coming in. He can do a job for a year or so in squad terms not just in a position we need now but as a leader-type in the dressing room. Bags of experience and loves the club. No problem.

Also makes some sense in succession-planning terms if we lose Terry at the end of the next season or so; possible defense coach at the club, grateful for his first chance.

Allan, I saw that you'd commented and, having some time to kill, I thought 'bingo!'.

I'm not angry, just very disappointed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 06, 2019, 03:00:41 PM
Gregg Evans has said on Twitter that Cahill is unlikely and certainly not imminent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2019, 03:08:11 PM
but Jansson might be? He's leaving in the next 48 hours according to Phil Hay, a bid from an English club of £5.5m has gone in today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 06, 2019, 03:11:59 PM
but Jansson might be? He's leaving in the next 48 hours according to Phil Hay, a bid from an English club of £5.5m has gone in today.

Sheff United. I wouldn’t want him, he reminds me of a Dalmatian chasing a balloon 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2019, 03:19:27 PM
Forget Cahill. We are a progressive club moving forward. Not a "Pre-Retirement" Lounge for players on their way out of the game  and looking to fill their boots for a few more millions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on July 06, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
but Jansson might be? He's leaving in the next 48 hours according to Phil Hay, a bid from an English club of £5.5m has gone in today.

Sheff United. I wouldn’t want him, he reminds me of a Dalmatian chasing a balloon
He's one of those players who loves to fist pump the crowd into action,  loves the crowd loving him,  but bull in a china shop and accident waiting to happen spring to mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2019, 03:24:41 PM
but Jansson might be? He's leaving in the next 48 hours according to Phil Hay, a bid from an English club of £5.5m has gone in today.

Sheff United. I wouldn’t want him, he reminds me of a Dalmatian chasing a balloon
He's one of those players who loves to fist pump the crowd into action,  loves the crowd loving him,  but bull in a china shop and accident waiting to happen spring to mind.

He's also ineffective at one-on-ones, as evidenced by his pitiful attempt to stop Adomah scoring at Elland Road. We sliced through the whole team!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 06, 2019, 03:49:08 PM

Allan, I saw that you'd commented and, having some time to kill, I thought 'bingo!'.

I'm not angry, just very disappointed.

 ;D   ;D   ;D

I can do 'short' I just don't feel like doing it often ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2019, 03:51:45 PM

Allan, I saw that you'd commented and, having some time to kill, I thought 'bingo!'.

I'm not angry, just very disappointed.

 ;D   ;D   ;D

I can do 'short' I just don't feel like doing it often ...

You're damaging your brand mate!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 06, 2019, 03:53:45 PM
I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that Cahill is, in the Lescott-Richards manner, a c**t. Seems nothing less than professional and legit and the only questions should be about budget and about whether he still has the legs to play a high line as we're going to (I suspect) for much of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2019, 03:59:25 PM
Was there anything to suggest that Lescott was less than a consummate professional before he joined us? And I don't really think he was a ******. He just got old and went off. It happens. I've no idea whether it would happen with Cahill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
I imagine he'll be hungry to get games this season too after how he was treated last season. Another question is how strictly do management want to follow the buy young policy. Is there room for the odd exception?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 04:02:27 PM
Isn't the cahill thing only in the star?
:(
Still the case right.?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
Just seen Sheffield united are signing Pontus Jansson from Leeds btw....5.5m apparently.

One of best CBs at championship level and full international with Sweden so really don't understand why we're being quoted 15-20m for Webster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 06, 2019, 04:10:54 PM
Was there anything to suggest that Lescott was less than a consummate professional before he joined us? And I don't really think he was a c***. He just got old and went off. It happens. I've no idea whether it would happen with Cahill.

with a nice new car
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 06, 2019, 04:12:22 PM
I've never got the phrase, "he knows the club". What does that actually mean...he knows the quickest route to get there, where the toilets are?
He knows what the fans are like
He knows what the fans expect.
He knows our proud history
He knows hard work pays off ( we sold him to a smaller team and he made his way to the England team )
He knows what it takes to win.

One season at £100k per week work for me
You forgot to add...The point is you talk the talk but don't walk the walk vis-a-vis you've not yet passed your forklift driver's test. The man who gives the jobs in the warehouse is a personal friend of mine, alright? I know you're the man for the job.

How come you know so much about midgets? Are you passing the book?
So....what's an elf?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 06, 2019, 04:15:45 PM
Just seen Sheffield united are signing Pontus Jansson from Leeds btw....5.5m apparently.

One of best CBs at championship level and full international with Sweden so really don't understand why we're being quoted 15-20m for Webster.
Just seen Sheffield united are signing Pontus Jansson from Leeds btw....5.5m apparently.

One of best CBs at championship level and full international with Sweden so really don't understand why we're being quoted 15-20m for Webster.
Isn't it an unnamed club ....

Sheff Utd apparently signed Maupay mid-week...that's gone quiet. I think the pair could do better than Sheff Utd....I'm not sure that's going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 06, 2019, 04:21:13 PM
I just don’t see how Cahill fits with the philosophy of buying younger talent that can have a long term future with the club.  I am not necessarily against the idea of getting him in, but I just can’t see it happening personally.
Cahill is our bargaining chip if nothing else. At the moment we have 2 defenders if which 1 is possibly crocked and the other possibly injury prone. Other teams know this so can price defenders accordingly knowing we're desperate. With Cahill we're far less desperate, particularly if we get Mings in.

It's a sensible move, it takes the pressure off as we can now afford to say "no" to silly price defenders. He's a brilliant short term solution to a short term problem imo
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ian. on July 06, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
I’d take Cahill, he’s not like Lescott at all. It may be against the general ethos we have here now but adding a player with his quality and experience would be fantastic. Look at Milner at Liverpool, he’s been superb for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Rumours jarrod Bowen to Southampton for 10-15m


That does seem very low considering other prices quoted (tho I note nobody has actually paid one of these stupid prices yet)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 06, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
Gregg Evans reckons a deal for Cahill isn't close and not likely. Seemed a no brainer to me. No fee involved and he has vast experience. Disappointing if true. This is becoming a concern. We simply must get these CB's in asap. I don't want it going to the wire on the 8th August. We all saw what happened last August under Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
I'm very unsure about Cahill so would be far from heartbroken if it didn't go through.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2019, 05:57:53 PM
We should be in for Bowen, especially at that price. I'm sick of reading about Gary bleedin' Cahill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2019, 06:09:42 PM
Bowen 10-15m 22 goals and 10 assists. What are we waiting for ffs ……..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 06, 2019, 06:22:14 PM
Bowen and Lolley are 2 signings I really would love to see.
They are the type who would compliment Deano’s style and would improve our squad, even with the step up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 06, 2019, 06:27:14 PM
Jansson is apparently off to Brentford, which is an odd one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2019, 06:46:57 PM
Jansson is apparently off to Brentford, which is an odd one.

He's fallen out with Bielsa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
I would happily take Cahill for a season or two. Like Clough took Dave Mackay to Derby and Colin Todd to Forest for a year or two. Kenny Dalglish did the same when he took Tony Gale to Blackburn for a year and he helped them win the league. Just as Terry did so well for us in his last season as a player, albeit in the Championship. There is nothing wrong with having one or two veterans in your side so long as you don't have a team full of them.
Jim Smith did it with a certain Irish international at the Rams. He got a standing ovation after every home game


I also think he was 37 by the time he went to Derby.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2019, 07:12:41 PM
Was there anything to suggest that Lescott was less than a consummate professional before he joined us? And I don't really think he was a c***. He just got old and went off. It happens. I've no idea whether it would happen with Cahill.

Richards career was going downhill even before we bought him. As for Lescott I thought he would be a decent signing for Albion but in his last year there every time I saw them live on TV it looked to me as if Lescott's leags had gone. Then we decided to buy him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2019, 07:18:46 PM
Jansson is apparently off to Brentford, which is an odd one.


The last time Jansson was off anywhere it was to find his wife's killer after he had been wrongly accused of her murder.

One for the teenagers there. ;)







Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
There is no clear evidence Cahill is coming to Villa. Gregg Evans has literally dismissed the chance. And he has already quoted he wants to stay in London. Ezri Konsa (Brentford) has a 12m buy out clause he is quality and with Terry coaching him can be top notch ……...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
There is no clear evidence Cahill is coming to Villa. Gregg Evans has literally dismissed the chance. And he has already quoted he wants to stay in London. Ezri Konsa (Brentford) has a 12m buy out clause he is quality and with Terry coaching him can be top notch ……...
That's going from one extreme to the other.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2019, 08:17:41 PM
But that is the profile Purslow clearly identified after the play-offs. Not a player looking for his probable last contract. England u21 with a big value potential …...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2019, 09:33:07 PM
There is no clear evidence Cahill is coming to Villa. Gregg Evans has literally dismissed the chance. And he has already quoted he wants to stay in London. Ezri Konsa (Brentford) has a 12m buy out clause he is quality and with Terry coaching him can be top notch ……...
That's going from one extreme to the other.

ABC?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 06, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Ezri Konsa is ‘only ‘ 6ft which these days is small for a CB. Apparently he can also play RB and most importantly defensive central M/F so I wonder if that would be a consideration.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gary Penrice on July 06, 2019, 11:24:06 PM
"Transfer,gossip,speculation".......think about it.....it's not rocket science ffs!

Cue..."Yeah but Cahill is too old!"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: newryvillain on July 06, 2019, 11:35:50 PM
There is no clear evidence Cahill is coming to Villa. Gregg Evans has literally dismissed the chance. And he has already quoted he wants to stay in London. Ezri Konsa (Brentford) has a 12m buy out clause he is quality and with Terry coaching him can be top notch ……...
That's going from one extreme to the other.

ABC?

Does he have the look of love, though?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2019, 12:20:39 AM
There is no clear evidence Cahill is coming to Villa. Gregg Evans has literally dismissed the chance. And he has already quoted he wants to stay in London. Ezri Konsa (Brentford) has a 12m buy out clause he is quality and with Terry coaching him can be top notch ……...
That's going from one extreme to the other.

ABC?

Does he have the look of love, though?
I don't know the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 12:32:37 AM
Sturridge rumours doing the rounds now....just don't see it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 12:40:08 AM
Sturridge rumours doing the rounds now....just don't see it.

Never ever happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 06:35:29 AM
I must assume we’ve got our ducks in line, talked to agents and made sure the players are keen and that the team may sell for the right price. But not shown our hands on the deals where we know there’s no competition, to get the best price.... 🤞 could go to deadline day for a couple.

I hope so, it makes things more exciting.

Villa fans have been going into a mad panic every summer as long as I can remember...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 07, 2019, 07:45:49 AM
It might be sensible from a financial point of view to run things to the wire, but given that we don't have a defence or defensive midfielder it would be a big problem to throw that bit of the team together in the week before the spurs game

We need to get that defence drilled over the summer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2019, 08:36:14 AM
We're not playing Spurs next week or the week after that or the week after that or...

We've done more business than anybody else. The market is only cranking into life.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on July 07, 2019, 08:54:17 AM
Jansson is apparently off to Brentford, which is an odd one.


The last time Jansson was off anywhere it was to find his wife's killer after he had been wrongly accused of her murder.

One for the teenagers there. ;)








who was the one-armed man?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 10:59:28 AM
John Percy is very reliable regarding us and he is saying talks have broken down on Mings, Webster and Phillips as their respective clubs all want to much for them. Time to move on to other targets I think, especially from Phillips who has always maintained he wants to stay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
It might be sensible from a financial point of view to run things to the wire, but given that we don't have a defence or defensive midfielder it would be a big problem to throw that bit of the team together in the week before the spurs game

We need to get that defence drilled over the summer

John Percy from the Daily Telegraph is a good lad and worth following on Twitter for updates. He has his ear closer to the ground than most. His latest update:

9 players to be bought in total including the ones we already have.

Fees for Phillips, Webster and Benrahma stumbling blocks and on hold.

Mings could be this week Villa trying to lower the price.

Cahill possibly but other clubs in for him also.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 11:31:09 AM
We're not playing Spurs next week or the week after that or the week after that or...

We've done more business than anybody else. The market is only cranking into life.

Other clubs will buy 3, maybe 4 players, just picking numbers but you get the idea. As a promoted club we'll buy more, and as the promoted club with the biggest holes in our squad, we require more signings than anyone else. We need players in this week and next week to stand a chance of being organised for August IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on July 07, 2019, 11:33:13 AM
Reports are that Bournemouth now want £25m for Mings. None of the proposed signings, Phillips,  Webster, Benrhama & even Mings are proven at PL level yet combined they're being priced at £90m+.

We must be looking at alternatives.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
Yes, if Bournemouth and Bristol City want to cut their noses off to spite their face, we may as well move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 12:07:36 PM


Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
People wondering about mad fees just now. It’s the main reason so little getting done. And only a few weeks to go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
All the more reason to shop abroad albeit with the premier league tax.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 07, 2019, 12:33:07 PM
If.. and I mean if....Bournemouth  are holding out for £25m then they are playing a dangerous game that could backfire on them.  Villa spend £15 m on a centre half from the continent and nobody else comes in for Mings then what will his value come the end of August realistically be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 12:36:36 PM
not a lot as I think the window closes on August 8th?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 12:38:58 PM
I still hope we get Mings.

My issue is we still try for Webster and you're looking at 40m + for two CBs with very little prem experience. For that outlay I'd be expecting an international class CB to be one of the two signings.

West Ham want Guillermo Maripan. He's had a couple of good seasons for Alaves in La Liga and been a regular for Chile in copa america. Asking price there is 15m apparently so that's the sort of standard I was expecting if we were going with those prices.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2019, 12:42:30 PM
Suso should be pushing that shit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 07, 2019, 12:43:57 PM
The thing about Mings wasn’t just his footballing ability, but his affect on the players around him and the fans. Some players have an influence beyond kicking a ball, and I think the loss of Mings in the dressing room and the training ground would be beyond just his ability on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 07, 2019, 12:44:20 PM
I am a big fan of Mings but nobody is going to pay £25 million for him. If Bournemouth rate him at £25 million why did they loan him out to a Championship club last season? And seeing as they did presumably they rate their first choice centre halfs at thirty million plus.

Business will be done on deadline day but we have obviously tried to get things done early and have succeeded with some and failed (so far) with others. I am happy with what we have done so far and have faith in those running the club that more will follow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 12:49:29 PM
I firmly believe that after a full season in the Premier League, Mings will be in the £70m+ category, so just do what is required to get him in please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2019, 12:52:45 PM
I firmly believe that after a full season in the Premier League, Mings will be in the £70m+ category, so just do what is required to get him in please.

True dat, as the people who were kids 20 years ago would say.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 12:52:58 PM
£15 million should be more than enough to get him. If we start panicking and paying nearly double a player's market value when we are still a month away from the transfer deadline then Bristol City, Leeds and every other club on the planet will think they can take the piss, too.

Bournemouth don't want Mings. They'll sell him for the right price, whether they do so now or on August 5th. Turning down serious money for a player on their bench would be lunacy.

The right price is NOT £25 million and we would be utter mugs to pay that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 12:55:23 PM
£25 million for Mings is indeed crazy. Good player no more than £15 million with a few ad ons...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
The thing about Mings wasn’t just his footballing ability, but his affect on the players around him and the fans. Some players have an influence beyond kicking a ball, and I think the loss of Mings in the dressing room and the training ground would be beyond just his ability on the pitch.

I agree. Only issue is he's played very few games in premier league for Bournemouth and hardly any at CB so expecting him to be new Van Dijk for us is a little bit optimistic even for the impact he made.

Mings with Cahill guiding him at this level sounds much better to me. You'd then have Hause and Chester covering which feels o.k up to January at least.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 07, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
Fully agree on his influence beyond his footballing ability. I really hope we get Mings wrapped up, but it's also good that the club are not prepared to be held to ransom.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 07, 2019, 01:13:08 PM
Mings like most of the others is yet to be tested in the Premiership best to wait.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wolfman999 on July 07, 2019, 01:28:00 PM
I think this show how  things have changed in the three years we have been out of the Premiership. Previously, a club such as Bournemouth would have snatched our hands off at gbp15m but not anymore. I suspect Mings would have to put in a transfer request, if players still do such things, to force the issue or see out his contract in the town of piss and lavender.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
I think Dave has become resigned due to the sheer volume, but it bothers me too. IT'S NOT CALLED THE PREMIERSHIP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 07, 2019, 01:55:05 PM
I think Dave has become resigned due to the sheer volume, but it bothers me too. IT'S NOT CALLED THE PREMIERSHIP.

I've mellowed in my old age.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
I think Dave has become resigned due to the sheer volume, but it bothers me too. IT'S NOT CALLED THE PREMIERSHIP.

I've mellowed in my old age.

I hope I die before I get cold.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2019, 02:08:44 PM
The right price is NOT £25 million and we would be utter mugs to pay that.

£15m now, +£2m for every season (after this one) that he is a villa player and we are in the PL.

There must be a mutually agreeable deal that starts off at a reasonable level but equally rewards Bournemouth if he becomes the injury free player he looked like becoming last season.  When all parties appear to be willing it is daft that something cannot be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
I think this show how  things have changed in the three years we have been out of the Premiership. Previously, a club such as Bournemouth would have snatched our hands off at gbp15m but not anymore. I suspect Mings would have to put in a transfer request, if players still do such things, to force the issue or see out his contract in the town of piss and lavender.

Does Mings have a Bro? Noticed the lad from West Ham and also Zaha`s brother both came out with vasal statements recently pushing moves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 02:49:46 PM
£25m is the going rate for an ex public schoolboy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
We are very much in the eye of the transfer posturing storm. As expected teams know we have money, they all know we need players, the teams selling will want to get their own replacements in, players in many cases will get frustrated that we have targeted the closer the deadline draws in. We will get some deals done within scope and some we will overpay. It will get very compressed and in some cases desperate. As it always has been and will be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
Surprised we haven't been linked with Joe Allen.

Still only 29 despite being around for ages, plays DM role well for Wales and thought he was great for Stoke last season at VP playing box-to-box role.

Stoke would surely cash in for 15m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 07, 2019, 04:32:51 PM
£25m is the going rate for an ex public schoolboy.

Or even £20M
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 07, 2019, 04:53:51 PM













Mings travelling to Birmingham tonight. 20m agreed according to John Percy (Telegraph) :-))))




Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 04:57:30 PM
I fully expect him to arrive at BMH in full kit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2019, 05:00:25 PM
Percy article about Mings says Dean Smith has been in Egypt over the weekend watching a couple of targets in the African Cup of Nations.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 05:02:18 PM
Percy article about Mings says Dean Smith has been in Egypt over the weekend watching a couple of targets in the African Cup of Nations.

Trezeguet?  There were a couple of good players in the Ghana game too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 07, 2019, 05:21:04 PM
Percy article about Mings says Dean Smith has been in Egypt over the weekend watching a couple of targets in the African Cup of Nations.

Trezeguet?  There were a couple of good players in the Ghana game too.

Apparently Jordan Ayew is going to Palace for £2.5m...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 05:26:37 PM
Percy article about Mings says Dean Smith has been in Egypt over the weekend watching a couple of targets in the African Cup of Nations.

Trezeguet?  There were a couple of good players in the Ghana game too.

Apparently Jordan Ayew is going to Palace for £2.5m...
Worlds gone mad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 07, 2019, 05:46:43 PM
Rumours jarrod Bowen to Southampton for 10-15m


That does seem very low considering other prices quoted (tho I note nobody has actually paid one of these stupid prices yet)

great price  goalscorer and creater on the wing and can play up front  . Id be happy with him .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 06:13:10 PM
Talk next week's early target is Neal Maupay.

Apparently Sheffield United bid 20m and us and Burnley also very interested.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 06:14:50 PM
Talk next week's early target is Neal Maupay.

Apparently Sheffield United bid 20m and us and Burnley also very interested.

Some chatter about the Eqyptian chap Trezeguet too. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 06:21:14 PM
How much did we spend in total under Lerner? Could we overtake it in this transfer window?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2019, 06:21:37 PM
Apparently Suso was in Cairo with Deano. Who the fuck knows if it’s true or if he’s there on a romantic getaway with Nigel Sphinx
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 06:29:29 PM
if one of them comes back walking like an Egyptian,we'll have the answer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 06:32:39 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 07, 2019, 06:37:37 PM
Yeah, Giza break.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2019, 06:38:54 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

Pharaoh nuff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

Yeah, you lot can shove your shit puns right up your sphinxters.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 07, 2019, 06:42:13 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

Pharaoh nuff.
Tut tut
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 07, 2019, 06:53:47 PM
Anyone around much cleverer than I who can work out our current net spend through summer dealings thus far, inclusive of a circa £20m Tyrone fee?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 07:00:56 PM
About seventy million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 07:07:52 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on July 07, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

The so called “ funny pun fests “ are shite.

Dull, tedious and boorish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 07, 2019, 08:47:49 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

The so called “ funny pun fests “ are shite.

Dull, tedious and boorish.

I think some of them are ra-ther good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 08:48:01 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

The so called “ funny pun fests “ are shite.

Dull, tedious and boorish.

Better than quotefests though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
If Dean was in Egypt this weekend Trezeguet didn't do much to impress, missing a sitter but you don't go out there unless you are very serious about a player. There's a few teams reportedly interesting in him, including Everton but you'd hope Elmo has had a word or two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 07, 2019, 08:58:50 PM
Can we not turn this into another sodding punfest, please? It's annoying when you see this thread has had loads of updates then click to find nothing but endless "jokes".

The so called “ funny pun fests “ are shite.

Dull, tedious and boorish.

Better than quotefests though


When it comes to pun fests and quote fests some people on here have obviously let their anger fester. Which means we now have an anger fest on top of the pun fests and quote fests.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Applause , that’s very clever Damo. Respect ! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 09:13:58 PM
Apparently Suso was in Cairo with Deano. Who the fuck knows if it’s true or if he’s there on a romantic getaway with Nigel Sphinx

Laughed out loud at that. Hats off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 07, 2019, 09:32:53 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 07, 2019, 09:43:16 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.

Yes hopefully this will be better managed and have more positive results!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 09:55:28 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.

Yes hopefully this will be better managed and have more positive results!

With a proper fitness regime, no alcoholic assistant, no poor management, not immediate ostracising of players recently purchased etc.  Apologies for the Ray Wilkins dig, may he rest in peace, however, I honestly think that's all who was prepared to work with Sherwood, which is why he cannot another job.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Confusious says on July 07, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
The vast change in players was down to Tactics Tim after The Arsenal no show at  Wembley, which always annoyed me because the same team had well beaten Liverpool in the semi thus spoiling Steve Gerard’s birthday celebrations on the final. Just hope we have it right now & players gel quickly
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 07, 2019, 10:16:34 PM
 quote author=Newby link=topic=59740.msg3613835#msg3613835 date=1562532928]
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.

Yes hopefully this will be better managed and have more positive results!

With a proper fitness regime, no alcoholic assistant, no poor management, not immediate ostracising of players recently purchased etc.  Apologies for the Ray Wilkins dig, may he rest in peace, however, I honestly think that's all who was prepared to work with Sherwood, which is why he cannot another job.
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Exactly - Sherwood was a has been before he was. Throwback to 1990s manager just minus the Carlos Kickaball quote. A fucking joke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 10:31:39 PM
If Mings is a done deal, and I take nothing for granted here, I still think we need another 6 players or so.  Right winger, another centre back, two defensive midfielders, because we all know that buying only one will leave us vulnerable!  Another forward and a keeper for me.   Even then, we have to be quite lucky with injuries and suspensions.   The most interesting position for me is the central defensive one as I never really wanted Phillips.

As it stands, hoping that Mings signs:

                         Keeper
Guilbert      NEW CD    Mings   Targett
                      NEW DCM
NEW RW     SJG         SJM      El Ghazi
                        Moraes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 07, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.

Just checked this and you're absolutely right. Also the one player in common was Ashley Westwood!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Imagine employing Tim Sherwood. Who the fuck would do that?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
Imagine employing Tim Sherwood. Who the fuck would do that?!

Swindon, but he wasn't good enough for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 07, 2019, 11:17:07 PM
As it stands, hoping that Mings signs:

                         Keeper
Guilbert      NEW CD    Mings   Targett
                      NEW DCM
NEW RW     SJG         SJM      El Ghazi
                        Moraes
I won’t argue that we need to add another CB to the squad but surely Hause deserves a place in that lineup? IMO Mings and Hause were our best CB pairing last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 11:35:58 PM
As it stands, hoping that Mings signs:

                         Keeper
Guilbert      NEW CD    Mings   Targett
                      NEW DCM
NEW RW     SJG         SJM      El Ghazi
                        Moraes
I won’t argue that we need to add another CB to the squad but surely Hause deserves a place in that lineup? IMO Mings and Hause were our best CB pairing last season.

I would be very happy with Hause and Mings, I was going for right foot balance and let a blank to support my point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: IFWaters on July 08, 2019, 06:14:25 AM
Assuming Mings is a done deal that leaves...

Keeper - Butland swap for Kalinic
Centre back - Cahill or someone else
DCM - Phillips
RW -?
Striker - Maupay

That's another £70 to £80 million plus the wages but would leave us with an excellent squad capable of thriving in the prem. Fingers crossed. Even if we only get 3 of the 5 above I would be pretty ecstatic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 08, 2019, 07:03:49 AM
Although against our 'Dean Smith' ideal, I wouldn't be adverse to Cahil coming in if done sensibly. I reckon he would work very well with Mings.
Don't think Philips will happen,  he's happy at Leeds, and £30m? No thanks. I think we'll have a continental player come in for DCM.
If we go to Brentford it will be for either Maupay or Benrama, not both. I, personally, go for Maupay, as I really do think he can step up and be a star.
I'm sure we can pick up equal, or better, than Benrama for less than the quoted £25m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 08, 2019, 07:51:02 AM
Assuming Mings is a done deal that leaves...

Keeper - Butland swap for Kalinic
Centre back - Cahill or someone else
DCM - Phillips
RW -?
Striker - Maupay

That's another £70 to £80 million plus the wages but would leave us with an excellent squad capable of thriving in the prem. Fingers crossed. Even if we only get 3 of the 5 above I would be pretty ecstatic.

Well if the rumours are true then they are targeting the right positions and the right profile with Butland, Phillips, Webster and Benrahma - just no rumours on another striker yet apart from the lazy journalism of Maupay
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2019, 09:03:35 AM
After seeing what happened to Kodjia after his ankle injuries, I'd  be very skeptical about paying £25m for Benrahma. The guy from Brentford I's like is Konsa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 08, 2019, 09:11:49 AM
Assuming Mings is a done deal that leaves...

Keeper - Butland swap for Kalinic
Centre back - Cahill or someone else
DCM - Phillips
RW -?
Striker - Maupay

That's another £70 to £80 million plus the wages but would leave us with an excellent squad capable of thriving in the prem. Fingers crossed. Even if we only get 3 of the 5 above I would be pretty ecstatic.

Sounds about right.  Would represent a good transfer window if we were to fill all those positions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
We could probably get Sawyers for three to four million max. We were linked with him before. Surely an option to add squad depth?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 08, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
Assuming Mings is a done deal that leaves...

Keeper - Butland swap for Kalinic
Centre back - Cahill or someone else
DCM - Phillips
RW -?
Striker - Maupay

That's another £70 to £80 million plus the wages but would leave us with an excellent squad capable of thriving in the prem. Fingers crossed. Even if we only get 3 of the 5 above I would be pretty ecstatic.
I def agree with your positional requirements.
What we’d like and what we get may be slightly different as (other than Mings) I don’t think ceo / owners are going to let clubs completely take the piss when it comes to prices .
So I think, at the moment
Keeper, as I posted at weekend will be much cheaper option of Etheridge if he chooses us over Liverpool , and he probably will due to previous working relationships
CB....prefer Webster as Cahill against clear policy of youth. I reckon Cahill is just journo hype
DCM... PHILLIPS ideally but Leeds holding out for big cash and he loves boyhood club, a la JG with us last summer, so probably no go. Not sure of replacements here but with other signings up the pitch may only need one DCM as HOURIHANE can be reserve
RW isn’t going to set anyone raving but I think will be Egyptian Trezeguet
Striker is going to be interesting given style of play, other potential signings etc as wesley is reported as a much deeper lying forward and not a no9 goal hunter, maybe hence his scoring recorded. As I’m typing just seen a tweet saying Maupay asking price slashed which could be good but don’t really see Sturridge being the answer and not many other traditional no 9 being mentioned but I think we need one who is going to be a much higher up the pitch player like Tammy was
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 08, 2019, 09:55:24 AM
Sky reporting we've ended our interest in Butland.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11758725/aston-villa-end-interest-in-stokes-jack-butland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2019, 09:57:28 AM
Sky reporting we've ended our interest in Butland.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11758725/aston-villa-end-interest-in-stokes-jack-butland


Do you think we were ever after him ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2019, 09:58:51 AM
Which probably means someone else is at an advanced stage I'd guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 08, 2019, 09:59:07 AM
Sky reporting we've ended our interest in Butland.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11758725/aston-villa-end-interest-in-stokes-jack-butland


Do you think we were ever after him ?

No idea, mate. But I do reckon he'd be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2019, 10:34:20 AM
Although against our 'Dean Smith' ideal, I wouldn't be adverse to Cahil coming in if done sensibly. I reckon he would work very well with Mings.
Don't think Philips will happen,  he's happy at Leeds, and £30m? No thanks. I think we'll have a continental player come in for DCM.
If we go to Brentford it will be for either Maupay or Benrama, not both. I, personally, go for Maupay, as I really do think he can step up and be a star.
I'm sure we can pick up equal, or better, than Benrama for less than the quoted £25m.
I agree with all this.  Now we have spent so much on Mings I don't see how we can go out and spend similar on another centre back.  Mings, Hause & Cahill with Chester as and when needed sounds like a pretty strong line up to me.
I'd love Philips, but not at £30m and not if his hearts not in it.  And for me, I'd have been happy with Maupay instead of Wes.  Hopefully Wes will turn out to be brilliant, but with where we are right now I think Maupay would have been a safer bet.  Hopefully we still get him which will take some pressure off Wes whilst he develops into the player we all hope he can be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 08, 2019, 10:42:48 AM
Reports on twitter that Jay Rodriguez is moving to Burnley, £5m up front and another £5m in 12 months time. Certainly no world beater but at that price, he'd give us options up front and possibly in the  wide attacking  positions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
Reports on twitter that Jay Rodriguez is moving to Burnley, £5m up front and another £5m in 12 months time. Certainly no world beater but at that price, he'd give us options up front and possibly in the  wide attacking  positions.

That's a good price for Burnley - fupps up Albion a bit as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2019, 10:59:59 AM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.

Topknot tosspot. Should've gone to the NBA.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 11:01:00 AM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.

It's a thumbs down from me as well.  Non-entity of a player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 11:02:01 AM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.

It's a thumbs down from me as well.  Non-entity of a player.

Likewise. Strong no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2019, 11:25:12 AM
It's normal for transfer deals to be structured as 50% up front and 50% a year later so it's really £10m.

And regarding the over-hyping of transfer prices in the media, I agree with that. For example, I heard that we bought Lowton for somewhere between £700-900k but some places reported it as £3m. So who knows how close to reality these figures are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
Yeah the transfer fees are often ammortised.

Rooney - Everton to Man U was £10m immediately then £10m after a year and then various add ons made it close to the overall £27m


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2019, 11:59:59 AM
Yeah the transfer fees are often ammortised.

Rooney - Everton to Man U was £10m immediately then £10m after a year and then various add ons made it close to the overall £27m


I'm not sure the accounting procedure of amortisation is the same thing as agreeing how the deals are structured with the other party. In my mind, amortisation would be that if you signed a £20m on a 4-year deal then, you're writing off that £20m at a rate of £5m a year. As opposed to say, paying £10m up front and then a further £10m a year later.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 12:15:29 PM
Apparently we're looking at Hegazi now as well....double whammy for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 08, 2019, 12:17:55 PM
Striker is going to be interesting given style of play, other potential signings etc as wesley is reported as a much deeper lying forward and not a no9 goal hunter, maybe hence his scoring recorded. As I’m typing just seen a tweet saying Maupay asking price slashed which could be good but don’t really see Sturridge being the answer and not many other traditional no 9 being mentioned but I think we need one who is going to be a much higher up the pitch player like Tammy was
I know the square root of bugger all about this sort of thing, but I do find that kind of heartening myself.  Looking at highlights of Big Wes, it did strike me that he was pretty good at getting hold of the ball, keeping it away from defenders for long enough that he had a good level of support, then bringing them in to play.  I could quite easily see him only maybe getting 10-15 goals per season, but then having midfielders - SJM, Jack, AEG, Jota - hitting similar sort of levels, with maybe one of those getting in the 20+ goals range.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 12:19:29 PM
Yeah the transfer fees are often ammortised.

Rooney - Everton to Man U was £10m immediately then £10m after a year and then various add ons made it close to the overall £27m


I'm not sure the accounting procedure of amortisation is the same thing as agreeing how the deals are structured with the other party. In my mind, amortisation would be that if you signed a £20m on a 4-year deal then, you're writing off that £20m at a rate of £5m a year. As opposed to say, paying £10m up front and then a further £10m a year later.

#sorry mixing up my ammoritsation with income accrual. Ignore me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 12:21:05 PM
Sturridge - No Fucking way.

Another Richards, Lescott, Gabby, Joe Cole, John Fashanu waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2019, 12:24:18 PM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Cheating wanker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2019, 12:37:53 PM
Striker is going to be interesting given style of play, other potential signings etc as wesley is reported as a much deeper lying forward and not a no9 goal hunter, maybe hence his scoring recorded. As I’m typing just seen a tweet saying Maupay asking price slashed which could be good but don’t really see Sturridge being the answer and not many other traditional no 9 being mentioned but I think we need one who is going to be a much higher up the pitch player like Tammy was
I know the square root of bugger all about this sort of thing, but I do find that kind of heartening myself.  Looking at highlights of Big Wes, it did strike me that he was pretty good at getting hold of the ball, keeping it away from defenders for long enough that he had a good level of support, then bringing them in to play.  I could quite easily see him only maybe getting 10-15 goals per season, but then having midfielders - SJM, Jack, AEG, Jota - hitting similar sort of levels, with maybe one of those getting in the 20+ goals range.

Yep, this is what I was talking about of looking for 20 goals from midfield and defence and then 10 each (ish) from the front 3.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
Apparently we're looking at Hegazi now as well....double whammy for them.

I was impressed with Hegazi against us in play-off semis. Not a bad move - he and Tyrone would be formidable as CB's. I think Hegazi is a right footer ? Anything to piss off the Baggies fans even more!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Apparently we're looking at Hegazi now as well....double whammy for them.

I was impressed with Hegazi against us in play-off semis. Not a bad move - he and Tyrone would be formidable as CB's. I think Hegazi is a right footer ? Anything to piss off the Baggies fans even more!
I think he's been solid for them since he moved there, I always rated Dawson who moved to Watford, they have a good one there. If there's any truth in it then him and Mings seems a pretty solid combo going into the new season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2019, 12:53:51 PM
Hope not. Hegazi is really poor in anything other than a team set up to defend - ala baggies in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 08, 2019, 12:56:12 PM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Cheating wanker.

Yes. A scrotum of the highest order. Going to Burnley, it looks like. See you soon you handballing bastard!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Cheating wanker.

Yes. A scrotum of the highest order. Going to Burnley, it looks like. See you soon you handballing bastard!
Also the outrageous penalty dive playing for Sarfamtun,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Hope not. Hegazi is really poor in anything other than a team set up to defend - ala baggies in the playoffs.


I think I agree, he looks a solid defender but I've never had the impression he's capable of playing out from the back. A right footed version of Mings would be the best option but at the very least I want another defender who's comfortable in possession and has a bit of pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 08, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
Apparently we're looking at Hegazi now as well....double whammy for them.

I'll save us the time, I've already looked at him, he's Blues. Move along.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 08, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Cheating wanker.

Yes. A scrotum of the highest order. Going to Burnley, it looks like. See you soon you handballing bastard!
Also the outrageous penalty dive playing for Sarfamtun,

Oh thanks for reminding me about that🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 02:24:45 PM
Jay Rodriguez is a bellend. It's a no from me.
Cheating wanker.

Yes. A scrotum of the highest order. Going to Burnley, it looks like. See you soon you handballing bastard!
Also the outrageous penalty dive playing for Sarfamtun,

Oh thanks for reminding me about that🤦‍♂️

He won't get away with any of that nonsense with VAR watching on ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2019, 02:48:23 PM
10 million for hegazi

I reckon thats a good deal . Underated player .

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 08, 2019, 02:59:00 PM
10 million for hegazi

I reckon thats a good deal . Underated player .



Are you his agent?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2019, 03:08:00 PM
10 million for hegazi

I reckon thats a good deal . Underated player .



you'd be wrong then :P
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 08, 2019, 03:22:21 PM
Which probably means someone else is at an advanced stage I'd guess.
Etheridge
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
To be fair Heghazi at 10m seems like peanuts when Austin is quoted at 8m.

Yeah Etheridge is probably on his way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
Which probably means someone else is at an advanced stage I'd guess.
Etheridge

Or Heaton?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 08, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
Etheridge and Heaton leave me very cold, I'm not really seeing the benefit of either over giving steer a go. Would personally prefer Butland, but in saying all that, there's enough credit in the bank to support whatever the club decide.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
Right now outside of maybe BB I’m struggling to think of a player who regressed under Dean Smith and his staff. I’d trust them with whoever they buy to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 08, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
Sky reporting we've ended our interest in Butland.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11758725/aston-villa-end-interest-in-stokes-jack-butland

Good news in my view. I don’t particularly rate him

Give Kalinc a chance first
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
for me its the least important signing of this window - leave Steer and Kalinic here and send out Nyland on loan for the season with a recall option.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 08, 2019, 04:24:12 PM
Right now outside of maybe BB I’m struggling to think of a player who regressed under Dean Smith and his staff. I’d trust them with whoever they buy to be honest.

Had honestly forgotten all about him, whoops!   To be fair though I've not even seen him mentioned as an option from the bench in any of those squads for this season posts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 08, 2019, 04:30:40 PM
I guess you can add Lansbury to that list, though his development under DS has been stopped by injury. On the keeper front, I think it'll be a risk to go into a new league with two untried keepers, especially behind an inexperienced defence. Would have liked Butland, but screw Stoke and their ott demands.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2019, 04:44:00 PM
Depends on how much we really spent on Jota and El Ghazi of course.  I reckon about 68.8 mill. So far.
And one itk journo today reported we won’t be happy until another 8 or 9 signings have been added on top of those already done
FairPlay that’s one of a hell of a backing from owners and the biggest overhaul of a team I can remember anywhere in 1 window


4 years ago under Sherwood was quite an overhaul. I think only one player from the FA Cup final team started the first game of the following season, less than 3 months later.


The biggest close season  overhauls I can remember were that summer under Sherwood and the summer BFR joined. I think BFR brought in Sealey, Staunton, Ugo, Teale, Mortimer, Richardson, Regis and Dalian. Then in the days pre transfer windows during the season he bought Kubicki, Parker and Barrett.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
At ten million quid Burnley are welcome to Rodriguez who turns thirty this season. Hegazi is a clogger and a red card waiting to happen in the Premier League. As for keepers , I wouldn't mind Heaton but he would be my third choice. Butland would be my second choice. My first choice would be Etheridge. He really impressed me in a stuggling Cardiff side in the Premier League last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 08, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
At ten million quid Burnley are welcome to Rodriguez who turns thirty this season. Hegazi is a clogger and a red card waiting to happen in the Premier League. As for keepers , I wouldn't mind Heaton but he would be my third choice. Butland would be my second choice. My first choice would be Etheridge. He really impressed me in a stuggling Cardiff side in the Premier League last season.

Hegazi is a Pulis-style all-in wrestler who, as Damo says, will be a VAR liability.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 08, 2019, 05:18:56 PM
Agree with the last few comments about Hegazi. Baggies friends all agree that he is slow, has the turning circle of a barge and is a liability. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on July 08, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Stoke need to sell Butland, this is their chance to cash in and they’ve already signed a replacement. All part of the negotiation games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
Stoke need to sell Butland, this is their chance to cash in and they’ve already signed a replacement. All part of the negotiation games.

But they don't need to sell him to us. And keep in mind the other interested party is Bournemouth, who we've just given 20m to play with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2019, 05:31:31 PM
Hegazi is a pony.  I think he's absolute shite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2019, 06:31:48 PM
Hegazi is a pony.  I think he's absolute shite.
More likely, he’s the stalking horse for getting Webster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on July 08, 2019, 06:44:02 PM
#AnnoucePhillips
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 08, 2019, 06:47:41 PM
If Butland is so keen to want to leave then put a transfer request in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 06:56:36 PM
If Butland is so keen to want to leave then put a transfer request in

Soooo old fashioned
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 06:56:43 PM
If Butland is so keen to want to leave then put a transfer request in

He wont do that. It would fuck his loyalty bonus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 10:39:45 PM
Heaton, £7 million bid put in....

Very good keeper, makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 08, 2019, 10:48:10 PM
John Percy suggesting we are still hoping to bring Axel back on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 10:56:45 PM
#AnnoucePhillips

Ha, like it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 10:59:28 PM
Stoke need to sell Butland, this is their chance to cash in and they’ve already signed a replacement. All part of the negotiation games.

But they don't need to sell him to us. And keep in mind the other interested party is Bournemouth, who we've just given 20m to play with.

And I reckon we've still got a lot more than that to spend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 11:01:21 PM
Spoken to Cahill and Axel loan move could still be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 08, 2019, 11:01:31 PM
#AnnoucePhillips
Well stranger things have happened....he’s turned down Leeds first improved offer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2019, 11:05:28 PM
Percy reckons we are trying to get Axel back on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Cahill not close after initial talks, allegedly. He doesn't say why, but if true I can only assume it's wages.

Would love Heaton and Phillips in. Think that would have us in good shape for the friendlies, with hopes of 2 or 3 more in just before the deadline.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2019, 11:27:39 PM
Yes, a loan move for Axel is a possibility. I think he'll be back for the start of the season. Should sign Cahill as he's on a free. Need another 2 CB's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2019, 11:41:59 PM
Heaton would be an excellent signing.

Still need 2 combative midfielders, a winger, another striker and another centre half.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 11:55:37 PM
Yes, a loan move for Axel is a possibility. I think he'll be back for the start of the season. Should sign Cahill as he's on a free. Need another 2 CB's.

There is no chance Axel is coming back. He just signed a new deal at Man U and will be competing for a starting spot. Plus we’re not taking an loans and certainly not ones where we won’t be buying them at the end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Perthvillan on July 09, 2019, 02:55:14 AM
Manure here in Perth for 10 days playing our local A League team and Leeds and now know Axel is in the travelling party.
I wish I could get to see him and convince him to come back to us on loan.
I thought he was great for us last season and could be a future England international.
He had a great partnership with TM.
They will go for Maguire and another expensive option and they are about to self- destruct in the early part of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 09, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
Yes, a loan move for Axel is a possibility. I think he'll be back for the start of the season. Should sign Cahill as he's on a free. Need another 2 CB's.

There is no chance Axel is coming back. He just signed a new deal at Man U and will be competing for a starting spot. Plus we’re not taking an loans and certainly not ones where we won’t be buying them at the end.

I think there’s a chance Axel will come back. It’s hard to see him becoming a regular at Utd considering he’d have to displace Maguire (or another new signing), Lindeloff, Bailley, Jones, Smalling and Rojo. I think they’d like to see how he does playing regular PL football for a season so could benefit from loaning him out.

I know we don’t want to keep developing others teams players but might make an exception for someone who could fit straight back in, and would be wanted by Dean. We’re not going to fix every position in the first window so may have to accept the odd short term fix.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 09, 2019, 06:44:36 AM
I don't want to loan Axel.  If we can't sign him permanently then I'd prefer to move on and draw a line under it.  We don't even know for sure whether Axel is ready for regular PL football yet anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 09, 2019, 06:56:02 AM
I’d take him on loan to help us bed into the division. If we can do this and prioritise the transfer money in other areas why not. Needs must and all that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 09, 2019, 07:02:50 AM
I don't want to loan Axel.  If we can't sign him permanently then I'd prefer to move on and draw a line under it.  We don't even know for sure whether Axel is ready for regular PL football yet anyway.

Agree.
Although I could accept loan with option to buy and price agreed version. That would be as good as a permanent buy, but, with the option of sending back if it doesn't work out
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2019, 07:09:49 AM
I’m fine with a loan for Axel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 09, 2019, 07:17:46 AM
I’m fine with a loan for Axel.

Yep, no problem for me. Better in our team than Man U's bench8
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2019, 07:21:57 AM
 I reckon another centre half, winger, midfielder and striker and we should be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2019, 07:42:24 AM
I reckon another centre half, winger, midfielder and striker and we should be done.

I'd like to add a keeper to that list too.  Steer is good, but not outstanding.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 09, 2019, 07:57:41 AM
I’m fine with a loan for Axel.

Yep, no problem for me. Better in our team than Man U's bench8

I really rate Axel and reckon he'll become a top player. But Purslow said after promotion that we wanted to stop being in the situation where we're developing other teams players
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2019, 08:06:29 AM
I don’t see it as that though. His development for his parent club is a byproduct, and secondary, to supporting our embedding in the top flight. Essentially him joining serves a key purpose for us in the now, irrespective of what it means for Man Utd.


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 09, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
Yes, a loan move for Axel is a possibility. I think he'll be back for the start of the season. Should sign Cahill as he's on a free. Need another 2 CB's.

There is no chance Axel is coming back. He just signed a new deal at Man U and will be competing for a starting spot. Plus we’re not taking an loans and certainly not ones where we won’t be buying them at the end.

Wrong. If Ole isn't impressed during their pre-season matches he might well feel that Axel needs more game time which he can't can't guarantee at Utd. It wouldn't be the first time that a young player signs a new deal and then heads out on loan for more experience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2019, 08:12:18 AM
If Ole decides to let Axel come here whilst keeping Phil Jones he deserves the sack there and then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
There's better than Tuanzebe about, he's too cumbersome for me.
And three loan spells at one club is the most torrid of affairs, just leave your wife for good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 08:29:36 AM
There's better than Tuanzebe about, he's too cumbersome for me.
And three loan spells at one club is the most torrid of affairs, just leave your wife for good.

I like him a lot, very cultured and the way he brings the ball out of defence is how I reckon Smith wants us to set up.  Agree about the loan situation though, if they're going to let him go, just sell him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itbrvilla on July 09, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
I’m fine with a loan for Axel.

Yep, no problem for me. Better in our team than Man U's bench8

I really rate Axel and reckon he'll become a top player. But Purslow said after promotion that we wanted to stop being in the situation where we're developing other teams players
At this stage I don't think we have much choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 08:52:25 AM
We're going to have a lot of integrating to do of new players, so getting Axel back would help in that he's already formed half of our central defensive unit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 09, 2019, 08:54:00 AM
I’m fine with a loan for Axel.

Yep, no problem for me. Better in our team than Man U's bench8

I really rate Axel and reckon he'll become a top player. But Purslow said after promotion that we wanted to stop being in the situation where we're developing other teams players
At this stage I don't think we have much choice.

You could well be right, and I certainly wouldn't be sad to see him back. Just pointing out the club are trying to move away from loans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 09:02:16 AM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?

"Look at what happened to Fulham" is rapidly becoming the new "Why didn't Barry take the penalty?"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 09, 2019, 09:03:01 AM
I know what you’re saying Aftab , but I wouldn’t worry. The core, Jack SJM Mings, El Ghazi , Jed etc are still there , we are just strengthening in the areas that need to be strengthened. My only worry is that we have taken a big gamble on Wesley with currently only Kodj and Davis as back up. So still some work to do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 09:05:51 AM
The idea that Fulham spent loads and struggled therefore you shouldn't spend loads is bunk. There are far more teams who haven't spent loads and have been shite.

You can't guarantee a good season by spending big. You can pretty much guarantee a shit season by not doing so, though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
as ever its who you buy - we at long last seem to have a coherent plan, even if that means paying more for some and less for others who can make a difference -Jota being an example and Hause, another.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 09:26:12 AM
I hear what some of you are saying and hope you are right however I  believe successful teams need to stay together and keep that winning mentality. I also accept that management are doing their best to  get our best loanees, from last season, back. With two new fullbacks and  possibly new goalkeeper we need to restore  the established  central defensive partnership.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2019, 09:31:46 AM
I reckon another centre half, winger, midfielder and striker and we should be done.
Is Jota not a winger?
Would Wes not play wide if we bought in another striker - say, Maupay, for example?
For me, the winger is the lowest priority.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 09:32:08 AM
If we've been priced out of deals for other centre-halves (beyond what we're willing to pay that is), and we've had to stump up more than expected for Mings, then it stands to reason that we would be looking at Cahill on a free or Tuanzebe on loan again, rather than buying another 20m+ centre-half.

It's not necessarily the best thing for the long term but given the need for a DM, another winger and potentially another striker - and the fact that Smith seems to want a better GK too - we may need to spend big elsewhere. There is a limit to the spending, though I've no idea what that number might be.

Personally I'd gladly take Tuanzebe or Cahill back to round out our CB options if we can also bring in Heaton at 7-8m, Phillips for 20m, Trezeguet for 10m and an unknown striker option at the right price...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 09, 2019, 09:33:54 AM
We seem to have placed a £7m bid for Heaton so it sounds like we have told Stoke to shove Butland up your arse
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
... I  believe successful teams need to stay together and keep that winning mentality.
True, but teams need a basic level of capability in order to be successful as well. We went into the play-offs with a team that had not been set up for life in the Prem; the need to rapidly upskill was obvious.
With Smith, Terry and the core of last season's team, we should be able to develop the culture and commitment that successful teams also need, despite the influx of a few new characters into the changing room.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2019, 09:42:23 AM
We seem to have placed a £7m bid for Heaton so it sounds like we have told Stoke to shove Butland up your arse

If Butland is going to be 2.5 - 3 X the price of Heaton i don't blame them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 09:51:01 AM
Yes, a loan move for Axel is a possibility. I think he'll be back for the start of the season. Should sign Cahill as he's on a free. Need another 2 CB's.

There is no chance Axel is coming back. He just signed a new deal at Man U and will be competing for a starting spot. Plus we’re not taking an loans and certainly not ones where we won’t be buying them at the end.

Wrong. If Ole isn't impressed during their pre-season matches he might well feel that Axel needs more game time which he can't can't guarantee at Utd. It wouldn't be the first time that a young player signs a new deal and then heads out on loan for more experience.

It’s not wrong based on what the CEO and manager have both made very clear is the current approach to player recruitment. That we don’t want to develop a player for someone else. So unless that position has shifted, or unless Man U having just tied him down for the next 4 years then allow a deal to loan with an option to buy it’s not happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 09, 2019, 09:55:39 AM
Any possibility Man Yoo have given the kid a new contract just so they can avoid losing him on a free next summer?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 09, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
Yeah, they're protecting themselves if he doesn't become a first team regular.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 09, 2019, 10:12:38 AM
Any possibility Man Yoo have given the kid a new contract just so they can avoid losing him on a free next summer?

I agree Danno look what Arsenal have done letting player's contracts run down then getting nothing
for them like Aaron Ramsey this season to Juventus and before him Jack Wilshere so I think Manure are protecting themselves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 09, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?

Fulham didnt need a whole new team as kept most of those who had won promotion and pissed them off woth a load of newbies.

We let 8 first team squad go and otherss back to loan clubs.

So need a minimum of 10
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
I reckon another centre half, winger, midfielder and striker and we should be done.
Is Jota not a winger?
Would Wes not play wide if we bought in another striker - say, Maupay, for example?
For me, the winger is the lowest priority.

The key thing on this is that Smith didn't use proper wingers at Brentford, he played with them tucked in on either side as, effectively, inside forwards. Jota worked in that role nut not as winger (which is what Blues tried to use him as) so he is definitely a good option. The other benefit to playing that way is that the 'cover' for the right wing and up front can (and in my opinion should) be the same person.

Wesley, El Ghazi, Kodjia, Jota and a new guy would all need to be in the 25 man squad but Davis, Green and RHM can all add to that as u21 (anyone born in 1998 or later) which would give us plenty of depth
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
Winger top priority for me. Wingers are ace. Sign at least one, please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 09, 2019, 11:03:45 AM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?

Fulham didnt need a whole new team as kept most of those who had won promotion and pissed them off woth a load of newbies.

We let 8 first team squad go and otherss back to loan clubs.

So need a minimum of 10

The Fulham comparison also falls down due to the fact that we have bought 3 loanees who know the manager, club, system we play. So we will probably have 5 or 6 players from last season starting at Tottenham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 11:10:49 AM
The Fulham comparison also falls down due to the fact that we have bought 3 loanees who know the manager, club, system we play. So we will probably have 5 or 6 players from last season starting at Tottenham.
I accept that. Key is not to start the season with 4 new players at the back including the goal keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 09, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
For me the must sort position is defensive midfield, and to be honest I think we need to sign two of them. A first choice (seems phillips is the one we are after) and some less expensive competition. If we go into the new season without signing a Jedinak and Whelan replacement I can see us really struggling. I will be feeling quite confident of our prospects if we can sort this out.

Other than that we need competition for centre back and a versatile forward that can also play on the wing. Neither of which need to be expensive.

I can live with having Steer and Kalinic as the keepers, and Nyland will do as third choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2019, 11:14:40 AM
In an ideal world, Villa would have blitzed the Championship with a team that was clearly too good. Such a team would have needed minor tinkering for the Premier League

However, they scraped promotion on the back of an incredible run and playoff bottle with some players not cut out for the Premier League.

Therefore, there's no option other than to carry out a major rebuild.

It might work or it might not but other than starting the season with Glenn, Mad Tom, McCafu etc, there was no choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 09, 2019, 11:15:49 AM
The Fulham comparison also falls down due to the fact that we have bought 3 loanees who know the manager, club, system we play. So we will probably have 5 or 6 players from last season starting at Tottenham.
I accept that. Key is not to start the season with 4 new players at the back including the goal keeper.

That's true, though the centre back pairing could be the same as last season and potentially the keeper, even though I think we need a more experienced keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 09, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Just listened to a recent interview with Heaton as to be honest I didn’t know a lot about him. It struck me as being calm, intelligent and experienced and someone who would fit nicely into our back four and with the rest of the team. I guess he has always been in the radar but at 33 not quite fitting the profile. But needs are now must....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 11:41:55 AM
Just listened to a recent interview with Heaton as to be honest I didn’t know a lot about him. It struck me as being calm, intelligent and experienced and someone who would fit nicely into our back four and with the rest of the team. I guess he has always been in the radar but at 33 not quite fitting the profile. But needs are now must....

He's old but not ancient for a keeper. We'd get at least 2 good seasons of him I reckon, provided his shoulder isn't a problem. More importantly, he's also a brilliant goalkeeper, and you don't lose that at 33. I'd be keen on this one but the price has to be right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 09, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
I think we bought the wrong Adama Traoré
just watched last nights game , he was great , much better player than  that Trezequet I thought.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 09, 2019, 11:53:09 AM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?
But we were going to lose loans initially and have also cleared about 8 or 9 out of contract or 30+ age group out we wouldn’t want them in prem....aside of whelan maybe but his lack of pace would probably have been found wanting in the prem
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 09, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
We seem to have placed a £7m bid for Heaton so it sounds like we have told Stoke to shove Butland up your arse
Wish we could have found a slightly younger option to really push Jed for no1 spot. So start with Jed as I think he deserves a crack and then have a really good youngish back up. Younger than heaton or Etheridge possibly but both of those are reliable I’d say
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
Said all along I think our biggest and most important signing will be DM because, well, we have no one who can play there and it’s such an important position in the PL. I’d love us to go and blow the budget on this player because it would unlock more value in a lot of other players especially Jack and SJM.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 09, 2019, 12:26:16 PM
33 is nowt and he could still be between the sticks for a lot more than two seasons.

How old was Friedel in his last year with us? 39? 40?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
I’ll stand corrected but this new doing a Fulham thing seems to be based on a sample of one, and it nearly (arguably should have) paid off for them anyway.

I get that gutting a promoted team is a risk; but the alternative, keeping players based on sentiment, has its own risks.

For me it’s not about the raw numbers. We’re very lucky here because in Mings, SJM and Grealish we have 3 definite PL quality players, right down the middle, who were the beating heart of the team last year. If we build around those and only those I’d bet we’ll still maintain the character that got us promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
Friedel was forty years and four days old when he played his last game for us, making him our oldest ever player in a competitive match.

It's unlikely Heaton will play at the top level for that long, but no reason why we couldn't get a good four or five years out of him.

How often have we had that sort of stability in recent years? I'd happily take him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2019, 12:36:49 PM
Sounds like a stalking horse for Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 12:41:39 PM
I'd be happy if that was the case, too. Though I don't want to wait too long. It's fine adding another forward or winger at the last minute. I would want a goalkeeper to have the full preseason though, or as close as possible, to get to know his defence, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2019, 12:44:12 PM
I think he'd be fine, probably a good idea to have that level of experience on the pitch in actual fact. At 33 i think we could get 4-5 good years out of him as a GK, injuries not withstanding.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 09, 2019, 12:51:20 PM
Well definitely get a winger. Don't imagine jota is a nailed on starter and we need more options

I'd be happy with kemar roofe as a relatively inexpensive back up striker who can also play wide

But I really want benrahma. Dubious about trezeguet and about any transfers based on international tournament form
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2019, 01:07:04 PM
Benrahma's still out injured and won't be fit to start the season according to Bee's fans. The ankle injury worries me - look at Kodjia.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Yeah, forget him. He's overpriced anyway. Must be better options abroad.

Bale, for instance.

(if I keep saying it, it's bound to happen eventually)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 09, 2019, 01:10:36 PM
Heaton made such a difference to Burnley when he came back. Would be happy about signing him and it could mean another £10-15m to use elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 09, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
In an ideal world, Villa would have blitzed the Championship with a team that was clearly too good. Such a team would have needed minor tinkering for the Premier League

However, they scraped promotion on the back of an incredible run and playoff bottle with some players not cut out for the Premier League.

Therefore, there's no option other than to carry out a major rebuild.

It might work or it might not but other than starting the season with Glenn, Mad Tom, McCafu etc, there was no choice.

Thing is, we did blitz the league when we had our full strength team playing.  Of that team only Whelan and a winger needed to be replaced for the PL. Tammy's change has been forced on us - but no doubt we'd have tried to keep him - and there is a chance to add a new keeper.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 09, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
Well definitely get a winger. Don't imagine jota is a nailed on starter and we need more options

I'd be happy with kemar roofe as a relatively inexpensive back up striker who can also play wide

But I really want benrahma. Dubious about trezeguet and about any transfers based on international tournament form

International tournaments are infamously bad representations of how good players are. I mean, on the basis of his performances this AFCON we'd have doubts about signing Salah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
The owners have put in another £40m into the club today apparently - maybe the sky is the limit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 09, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
I have this feeling that our squad building may be partly with potential relegation in mind, as a sort of worst case scenario plan B.  Most of the signings and targets are from the Championship or were on loan with us there,  and are some of the best players from that level.  If the worst should happen they'd probably be willing to stick with us and try get us up again for at least one season.  If the worst doesn't happen, we can then consolidate with some more adventurous signings.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
I was shocked to find out Heaton was 33. I thought he was mid twenties. I need to start buying Panini sticker books again. Back in the day I would have known his age, height and where he was born.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Concrete Tom on July 09, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Yeah, forget him. He's overpriced anyway. Must be better options abroad.

Bale, for instance.

(if I keep saying it, it's bound to happen eventually)

Regardless of how realistic a prospect Bale would be, I think Bale has lost that which got him the move to Madrid in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
Well definitely get a winger. Don't imagine jota is a nailed on starter and we need more options

I'd be happy with kemar roofe as a relatively inexpensive back up striker who can also play wide

But I really want benrahma. Dubious about trezeguet and about any transfers based on international tournament form

International tournaments are infamously bad representations of how good players are. I mean, on the basis of his performances this AFCON we'd have doubts about signing Salah.

See also: Baros, Milan. Golden boot winner for Czech Republic at the Euros, goal-shy flop at club level for Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
Yeah, forget him. He's overpriced anyway. Must be better options abroad.

Bale, for instance.

(if I keep saying it, it's bound to happen eventually)

Regardless of how realistic a prospect Bale would be, I think Bale has lost that which got him the move to Madrid in the first place.

I haven't seen too much of him lately, but according to Wikipedia he still played 42 games for the biggest club in the world last year, that suggests he must still be pretty decent?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Bale turns thirty next week. He could give someone a really good couple of years but obviously it would cost the buying club a fortune.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:21:14 PM
If they can't get him to agree to going to China or America they might be forced to offload him and pay half his wages, so as to get some of his salary off their wage bill. Might be worth an enquiry a day or two before the deadline if he hasn't gone anywhere else and Real are getting increasingly desperate to get rid.

I am not, for any second, suggesting that any of this is very likely.

But it would be fucking ace...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
Bale is the kind of player I always used to sign in Championship Manager when I first got a club promoted to the Premier League.  World famous, highly skilled, previously transferred for massive money.   But also past his best, on huge wages, unmotivated and very difficult to move on.  A marquee signing in the worst sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
That's why you want him on loan. And even Bale past his best would still be our best player. He played 42 times for Real Madrid last season. He's hardly Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 09, 2019, 02:27:54 PM
Bale is on £600k a week. Any talk of us being linked with him is absurd. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2019, 02:28:17 PM
That's why you want him on loan. And even Bale past his best would still be our best player. He played 42 times for Real Madrid last season. He's hardly Micah Richards.
Don't get me wrong, I think he has something to offer, if a deal was on our terms, I was really just reminiscing about ballsing things up on a great game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 02:30:08 PM
Bale is on £600k a week. Any talk of us being linked with him is absurd. 

Agreed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
I was shocked to find out Heaton was 33. I thought he was mid twenties. I need to start buying Panini sticker books again. Back in the day I would have known his age, height and where he was born.

Amateur.  Eastie would his wife's name and where he was going on holiday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 09, 2019, 02:31:22 PM
Bale is said to be earning £350,000 a week after tax.
I don't think there are many clubs who will be interested in him, even with Real Madrid paying half of his salary.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
I signed Del Piero aged thirty-five. Hardly ever played a full game, but came off the bench to score a hattrick on the final day of the season at The Valley as we pipped Liverpool to the title on goals scored. What a day that was, they still talk about it in my head.

Still, as Luke Moore used to score forty a season and Isaiah Osbourne was the best midfielder on the planet it maybe wasn't too realistic...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 09, 2019, 02:31:45 PM
Friedel was forty years and four days old when he played his last game for us, making him our oldest ever player in a competitive match.

It's unlikely Heaton will play at the top level for that long, but no reason why we couldn't get a good four or five years out of him.

How often have we had that sort of stability in recent years? I'd happily take him.l

Heaton is solid enough but no more than that. Friedel and even Given had their moments for us but they were effectively short term measures with no resale value. Opinions are divided on here but bringing back Sam Johnstone is a no brainer for me. He is particularly good at the key attribute required, namely shotsaving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:32:23 PM
Bale is on £600k a week. Any talk of us being linked with him is absurd.

Spoilsport.

🙁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2019, 02:34:08 PM
Well definitely get a winger. Don't imagine jota is a nailed on starter and we need more options

I'd be happy with kemar roofe as a relatively inexpensive back up striker who can also play wide

But I really want benrahma. Dubious about trezeguet and about any transfers based on international tournament form

I still think Jared Bowen would be a good buy.  Can play on both wings and nicely fits the age profile we are looking at as well. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 02:34:47 PM
Friedel was forty years and four days old when he played his last game for us, making him our oldest ever player in a competitive match.

It's unlikely Heaton will play at the top level for that long, but no reason why we couldn't get a good four or five years out of him.

How often have we had that sort of stability in recent years? I'd happily take him.l

Heaton is solid enough but no more than that. Friedel and even Given had their moments for us but they were effectively short term measures with no resale value. Opinions are divided on here but bringing back Sam Johnstone is a no brainer for me. He is particularly good at the key attribute required, namely shotsaving.

He was no great shakes for Albion last year. Sick of gambling with young goalies, I'd rather have Heaton or, ideally, Butland.

Not every player has to have a massive sell-on value, Jimmy Rimmer was nearly thirty when we signed him but it was still the right move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 09, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
I signed Del Piero aged thirty-five. Hardly ever played a full game, but came off the bench to score a hattrick on the final day of the season at The Valley as we pipped Liverpool to the title on goals scored. What a day that was, they still talk about it in my head.

Still, as Luke Moore used to score forty a season and Isaiah Osbourne was the best midfielder on the planet it maybe wasn't too realistic...

I once sealed the title at Highbury with a 2-2 draw. Villas first goalscorer on the day was a 35 year old Ian Wright recently released from West Ham. Oh how I lollled
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 09, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
Bale is on £600k a week. Any talk of us being linked with him is absurd.

Spoilsport.

🙁

Maybe next year when we can offer him Champions League football.

(Shit, I’ve just gone full on Wolves).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
I thought he’d be going to Wolves this season as they likely will get an exemption into the CL for being Wolves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
Friedel was forty years and four days old when he played his last game for us, making him our oldest ever player in a competitive match.

It's unlikely Heaton will play at the top level for that long, but no reason why we couldn't get a good four or five years out of him.

How often have we had that sort of stability in recent years? I'd happily take him.l

Heaton is solid enough but no more than that. Friedel and even Given had their moments for us but they were effectively short term measures with no resale value. Opinions are divided on here but bringing back Sam Johnstone is a no brainer for me. He is particularly good at the key attribute required, namely shotsaving.

Being able to kick a ball is also a fairly important attribute for a Premier League footballer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 09, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
I'd go ape if we signed Bale
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 09, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
Man Utd ready to sanction another loan deal for Tuanzebe according to the B'ham Mail....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2019, 03:12:35 PM
Now that is good news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on July 09, 2019, 03:15:39 PM
However we would still need another CB. You cannot play a full season at most levels with only 2 decent CB's and he wouldn't be eligible for two games anyway. That makes getting the third in vitally important but could make keeping all 3 of them happy throughout the season tricky, especially if Man Utd state he has to play minimum games.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 09, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
Well definitely get a winger. Don't imagine jota is a nailed on starter and we need more options

I'd be happy with kemar roofe as a relatively inexpensive back up striker who can also play wide

But I really want benrahma. Dubious about trezeguet and about any transfers based on international tournament form

I still think Jared Bowen would be a good buy.  Can play on both wings and nicely fits the age profile we are looking at as well. 

agree .   winger and stirker supporting wes

and a 15 million , great value
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 09, 2019, 03:31:25 PM
I'd go ape if we signed Bale
👏👏👏👏👏
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 09, 2019, 03:53:46 PM
Forget Bale, Neymar is available..........make an offer before the Wolves do :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 03:55:31 PM
Not sure he would get a game ahead of Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 09, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
Not sure he would get a game ahead of Hogan.
Fair point buddy ........could this be the season he becomes a hero in claret and blue (with Scunthorpe)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 04:03:43 PM
Scunthorpe.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 04:03:57 PM
I'm surprised that didn't get asterisked...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wally58 on July 09, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
Theres only one cnut in Scunthorpe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nelson Lodge on July 09, 2019, 04:11:03 PM
I am concerned that our team is/could be totally changed from the team that won promotion, remembering what happened to Fulham?

Fulham didnt need a whole new team as kept most of those who had won promotion and pissed them off woth a load of newbies.

We let 8 first team squad go and otherss back to loan clubs.

So need a minimum of 10

Interesting link from yesterday's E&S with their Transfer Tracker for the local clubs. They have 10 squad players leaving VP
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/2019/06/03/summer-transfer-tracker-every-done-deal-from-wolves-west-brom-aston-villa-and-walsall/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 04:25:20 PM
No Guilbert...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 09, 2019, 04:28:11 PM
Man Utd ready to sanction another loan deal for Tuanzebe according to the B'ham Mail....
How the hell have they made the leap from Villa hoping to loan him if things pan out, to Manu ready to sanction a loan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
Man Utd ready to sanction another loan deal for Tuanzebe according to the B'ham Mail....
How the hell have they made the leap from Villa hoping to loan him if things pan out, to Manu ready to sanction a loan?


Rhetorical question Andy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 09, 2019, 04:33:33 PM
No Guilbert...
Technically he was signed in January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 09, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Man Utd ready to sanction another loan deal for Tuanzebe according to the B'ham Mail....
How the hell have they made the leap from Villa hoping to loan him if things pan out, to Manu ready to sanction a loan?


Rhetorical question Andy?
No TV, just staggered by the bullshit the mail comes out with......I know I shouldn’t be surprised though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 09, 2019, 04:51:15 PM
Janssen has apparently said Leeds needed to sell him in order to balance their books because of FFP. This either means they have managed it and don’t need to sell Phillips or they are still under pressure to meet FFP. In other words we are still don’t know 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2019, 04:53:55 PM
rumours that he has signed a new contract and will be announced at their new kit launch tonight
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
Man Utd ready to sanction another loan deal for Tuanzebe according to the B'ham Mail....
How the hell have they made the leap from Villa hoping to loan him if things pan out, to Manu ready to sanction a loan?


Rhetorical question Andy?
No TV, just staggered by the bullshit the mail comes out with......I know I shouldn’t be surprised though.

Aye that’s what I meant mate. They are so utterly useless now as a news source. Devoid of any originality or journalistic ability they are click bait haven with shit misleading headlines. Crap beyond all description.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
Friedel was forty years and four days old when he played his last game for us, making him our oldest ever player in a competitive match.

It's unlikely Heaton will play at the top level for that long, but no reason why we couldn't get a good four or five years out of him.

How often have we had that sort of stability in recent years? I'd happily take him.l

Heaton is solid enough but no more than that. Friedel and even Given had their moments for us but they were effectively short term measures with no resale value. Opinions are divided on here but bringing back Sam Johnstone is a no brainer for me. He is particularly good at the key attribute required, namely shotsaving.
Nah, I think Etheridge or Heaton - for differnet reasons - would work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2019, 05:20:44 PM
rumours that he has signed a new contract and will be announced at their new kit launch tonight
who?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2019, 05:34:51 PM
rumours that he has signed a new contract and will be announced at their new kit launch tonight
who?

I think he means Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 09, 2019, 05:45:27 PM
Leeds fans are putting two and two together, because Phillips and Roofe weren't part of their kit reveal.

Twitter linky. (https://twitter.com/AustinA90076563/status/1148632043317792769)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 06:09:28 PM
It might just be that they are covering their backs. No point in putting him in the kit release only to leave yourselves looking silly if he goes a few days or weeks later like happened to us with Delph.

I wouldn't say that means anything concrete has happened regarding Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Yeltzer on July 09, 2019, 07:24:15 PM
Gregg Evans reporting that Tom Heaton move is “close”
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 09, 2019, 07:33:41 PM
Gregg Evans reporting that Tom Heaton move is “close”

I think that is a very good acquisition
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 07:35:37 PM
If we get him for £10m it’s really net £5m or so as we will sell Kalinic. So all in all solid business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 07:36:34 PM
Gregg Evans reporting that Tom Heaton move is “close”

I think that is a very good acquisition

Likewise.

Won't please the Jackobites though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 09, 2019, 07:41:51 PM
Good experienced keeper with 5 years left at the top end, as TV says if we pay 10m and get 5m for Kalinic it’s a bargain.

We still have one too many GK’s though if we sign him, so can see Nyland going too once he is back to full fitness.

Would love a defensive midfielder in next so the spine of the team is almost completed.

Cahill for centre back alongside Mings would be my vote, or Axel for another season if Cahills wages are too high.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2019, 08:06:39 PM
Delighted we're getting Heaton in. Our best signing of the summer imo and for actually a reasonable fee.

For anyone with any doubts look at Burnley's defensive stats for first half of the season (Joe Hart in goal) and from December 28th when Heaton was re-instated and kept a clean sheet in a 2-0 win over West Ham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2019, 08:10:19 PM
Delighted we're getting Heaton in. Our best signing of the summer imo and for actually a reasonable fee.

For anyone with any doubts look at Burnley's defensive stats for first half of the season (Joe Hart in goal) and from December 28th when Heaton was re-instated and kept a clean sheet in a 2-0 win over West Ham.

Could someone post them?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 08:17:16 PM
My only concern and maybe there is a really good reason for this but across all these years why has he not played more games, why has he bounced around a lot and why is it that he lost his place to Joe Hart?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 08:19:52 PM
Delighted we're getting Heaton in. Our best signing of the summer imo and for actually a reasonable fee.

For anyone with any doubts look at Burnley's defensive stats for first half of the season (Joe Hart in goal) and from December 28th when Heaton was re-instated and kept a clean sheet in a 2-0 win over West Ham.

Could someone post them?
(https://i.ibb.co/X547bSK/Screenshot-2019-07-09-at-20-18-43.png) (https://ibb.co/X547bSK)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 08:28:11 PM
My only concern and maybe there is a really good reason for this but across all these years why has he not played more games, why has he bounced around a lot and why is it that he lost his place to Joe Hart?

don't think he lost his place, wasn't he injured?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on July 09, 2019, 08:29:53 PM
My only concern and maybe there is a really good reason for this but across all these years why has he not played more games, why has he bounced around a lot and why is it that he lost his place to Joe Hart?

I think Hart would have been considered the senior player given his international caps. Ultimately Heaton reclaimed the jersey anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2019, 08:43:43 PM
Burnley fans all seem to love him, only bad thing is that he has had injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
Bale is the kind of player I always used to sign in Championship Manager when I first got a club promoted to the Premier League.  World famous, highly skilled, previously transferred for massive money.   But also past his best, on huge wages, unmotivated and very difficult to move on.  A marquee signing in the worst sense.


Championship manager 2000/2001. Seventeen year old Richard Paquette from QPR for peanuts would score you forty goals a season every year for about fifteen seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 09, 2019, 08:54:35 PM
Gregg Evans reliability?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
My only concern and maybe there is a really good reason for this but across all these years why has he not played more games, why has he bounced around a lot and why is it that he lost his place to Joe Hart?

don't think he lost his place, wasn't he injured?

Yep, did his shoulder against Crystal Palace in September 2017, he played their first few games. Nick Pope then came in from nowhere and was one of the keepers of the season. Think Heaton was out of pretty much all of that season anyway.

He then picked up another injury last summer and Burnley had to sign Anders Lindegaard to pretty much play the first few europa qualifiers as Nick Pope was injured aswell. Then they signed Joe Hart and he started the season as number one but his level got really bad up to the xmas games, his last appearence was a 5-1 home defeat to Everton on Boxing day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 09, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
Axel signing a new deal with the filth - I remember Delph signing one only to ensure We got a fee for him.

Heaton - on the occasions I saw him on MOTD he had some storming games so not unhappy with this and Steer (who is still young) as #2
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2019, 09:10:33 PM
My only concern and maybe there is a really good reason for this but across all these years why has he not played more games, why has he bounced around a lot and why is it that he lost his place to Joe Hart?

He hasn't bounced around much, he was sent out on loan a lot while at Manure and has had 3 clubs since leaving them in 2010. He was injured for most of 17/18 and last season him and Pope were out injured which is why they brought in Hart.

One thing that would concern me is he seems to pick up quite a few injuries for a keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 09:12:26 PM
That’s more what I meant. It took a long time to cement a place. It’s not a big deal and as you point out his injury record is more an issue. In an ideal situation he will give us the best 4/5 years left in his career. He’s talented enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 09, 2019, 09:13:30 PM
As well as Phillips missing from the kit launch for Dirty Leeds (surprise given he is a favourite with the fans and a hometown boy), so was Kemar Roofe, striker/winger (age 26).

Rumoured to be available for £5m. He really impressed me when I watched Leeds last season. I would take a serious look at him as an option. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on July 09, 2019, 09:14:44 PM
I hope we get Heaton, I think he's top drawer. Last time I saw him at Villa Park in 2015 we battered Burnley and he looked unbeatable who totally commanded his box. We ended up losing the game 0-1 partly because of him and our woeful finishing.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2019, 09:17:57 PM
As well as Phillips missing from the kit launch for Dirty Leeds (surprise given he is a favourite with the fans and a hometown boy), so was Kemar Roofe, striker/winger (age 26).

Rumoured to be available for £5m. He really impressed me when I watched Leeds last season. I would take a serious look at him as an option. UTV.


Chances are Leeds are feeling the financial pinch after another season without promotion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 09:26:24 PM
Oh dear, how sad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 09, 2019, 09:27:35 PM
I would be very happy to get Heaton.
I was quite disappointed when we were linked with him before and it didn’t come off. He then went on to re-establish himself in the Burnley team and was superb.

It would be some spine with Heaton, Mings, Jack and Wesley !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2019, 09:30:36 PM
That’s more what I meant. It took a long time to cement a place. It’s not a big deal and as you point out his injury record is more an issue. In an ideal situation he will give us the best 4/5 years left in his career. He’s talented enough.

He played lots at Cardiff. They made league cup final in 2012 and he made an incredible penalty save from Gerrard.  Then made 43 games in his one season at Bristol City in 2012-13. 188 games for Burnley since signing in 2013.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 09, 2019, 09:37:03 PM
How and when did we become odds-on fav to sign Harry Wilson?

edit: seems like it might be a loan to buy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 09, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
Oh dear, how sad.

Yeah. Real sad.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2019, 10:01:57 PM
How and when did we become odds-on fav to sign Harry Wilson?

edit: seems like it might be a loan to buy?

Interesting. He's a very good championship player and can play out wide in 4-3-3 or through the midde (Wales played him as a CF v Croatia although it didn't really work).

Don't think he's quite ready to be a week in week out prem starter but huge potential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 10:03:46 PM
Who would he replace? Does he do the Whelan role?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
Who would he replace? Does he do the Whelan role?

He's a winger, I think. I'm hearing that we're lining up Howard Wilkinson for the DM role.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 10:31:19 PM
Where's the Wilson link from?  Haven't seen any mention of that anywhere at all to be honest, not even in the frenzied hive mind of Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2019, 10:37:40 PM
Who would he replace? Does he do the Whelan role?

Adomah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2019, 10:39:00 PM
How and when did we become odds-on fav to sign Harry Wilson?

edit: seems like it might be a loan to buy?

Interesting. He's a very good championship player and can play out wide in 4-3-3 or through the midde (Wales played him as a CF v Croatia although it didn't really work).

Don't think he's quite ready to be a week in week out prem starter but huge potential.

Would make sense to have this sort of player in the squad as we need depth and potential.  The only draw back might be that his parent club insert a clause that he has to play when fit.  Hopefully, Villa can choose when and if they select, especially if it is a loan to buy. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 10:43:09 PM
How and when did we become odds-on fav to sign Harry Wilson?

edit: seems like it might be a loan to buy?

Interesting. He's a very good championship player and can play out wide in 4-3-3 or through the midde (Wales played him as a CF v Croatia although it didn't really work).

Don't think he's quite ready to be a week in week out prem starter but huge potential.

Would make sense to have this sort of player in the squad as we need depth and potential.  The only draw back might be that his parent club insert a clause that he has to play when fit. Hopefully, Villa can choose when and if they select, especially if it is a loan to buy.

His title might only be "Head Coach", but I really can't see Smith putting up with such.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 10:44:27 PM
Who would he replace? Does he do the Whelan role?

Adomah.

Ta. That's good, I like wingers. Wingers are ace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 09, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
How come Burnley are prepared to sell Heaton if he’s their best keeper? Is he out of contract or something happened behind the scenes?

Also, if we are in for Wilson then that would be a good signing. Very talented, highly rated and takes an excellent set piece. He would fit the young and hungry criteria for sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2019, 10:59:19 PM
How come Burnley are prepared to sell Heaton if he’s their best keeper? Is he out of contract or something happened behind the scenes?

Also, if we are in for Wilson then that would be a good signing. Very talented, highly rated and takes an excellent set piece. He would fit the young and hungry criteria for sure.

Let's hope they both come off.  A dependable keeper and a talented winger who will, hopefully, only get better and better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2019, 11:00:33 PM
How come Burnley are prepared to sell Heaton if he’s their best keeper? Is he out of contract or something happened behind the scenes?

Also, if we are in for Wilson then that would be a good signing. Very talented, highly rated and takes an excellent set piece. He would fit the young and hungry criteria for sure.

He's (Heaton) refused to sign a new contract. The current one has a year to go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
In that case, last year of the contract, £7mill seems a lot for a 33 year old.  Hope it's just media pricing and we are paying a lot less than that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Paying £7 million for a 33 year old goalkeeper is the same as paying that fee for a 30 year old midfielder.

It's a bargain compared to the £3 million paid for the much older Friedel back when transfer fees were only massively unhinged as opposed to completely insane, and few would regret that acquisition.

I say get it done. Goalkeeper has been a problem position for too long, and this will fix it for at least three or four years.

Edit: sorry just noticed who I was replying to. I'm not picking on you, honest!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 09, 2019, 11:14:50 PM
Seems a reasonable fee for Heston and would be much more confident with him in goal than either of Steer, Nyland or Kalinic. I don’t know how Heaton compares to Butland, but he seems like a safe pair of hands so get the job done, and use the money saved to strengthen other positions. Jed deserves his spot in the squad so one of Nyland or Kalinic will have to be moved on (don’t really care which one stays or goes as I think they are both dodgy as fuck).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 09, 2019, 11:19:45 PM
I quite fancy Dwight Gayle up front for us and running on flicks from big Wes or on great through balls into channels from jack and SJM.
He runs a lot and scores a lot. Work ethic reminds me of Dean Saunders .
Anyone ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2019, 11:23:15 PM
I dunno about Gayle. He has a decent scoring record but can't help feeling if he was that good he would easily be able to get into a team we should have ambitions to finish above next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 11:23:41 PM
No to Gayle. I know what you mean, Daz, but if he was going to do it, he'd be doing it already.

If we'd stopped down, mind, I'd have bitten my sodding arm off for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
Gayle is very good in division 2, and average in the top flight mixed in with the occasional venture into looking good and more regular visits to looking crap.

Div 2: 59 goals in 100 games
Div 1: 21 goals in 99 games
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2019, 11:30:43 PM
He always looks so sullen, does Dwight, unlike his namesake. I'd rather more smilers or just players half as gifted as his namesake.

Edit: I had posted his first name as Marcus originally. As in Marcus Gayle the Don. Stuck in the 90s clearly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2019, 11:33:27 PM
He always looks so sullen, does Marcus. I'd rather more smilers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000520853592/ed072edcc91d5a92340705e8d66d5741_400x400.jpeg)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
Er...well, Bacuna's, ahem, been a Premier League player a lot more recently than anyone in our squad.
That's the best I can do...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 11:35:18 PM
He'll be thirty this autumn, and he's yet to notch up 200 appearances, never mind goals, in the top two divisions. Horses for courses, and his isn't Epsom.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 11:38:45 PM
He always looks so sullen, does Marcus. I'd rather more smilers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000520853592/ed072edcc91d5a92340705e8d66d5741_400x400.jpeg)

I’ll see your Bacuna and raise you a...

(https://i.ibb.co/zV1tchW/1-DA4-AC36-CFE5-494-E-B856-06-A3-EA416-C56.png) (https://ibb.co/zV1tchW)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2019, 11:55:20 PM
Gayle is very good in division 2, and average in the top flight mixed in with the occasional venture into looking good and more regular visits to looking crap.

Div 2: 59 goals in 100 games
Div 1: 21 goals in 99 games


Division 2? Have you been in a coma for the last few years? Do you still call the charts 'the hit parade' and call a nightclub a discotheque?  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 12:00:48 AM
Gayle is very good in division 2, and average in the top flight mixed in with the occasional venture into looking good and more regular visits to looking crap.

Div 2: 59 goals in 100 games
Div 1: 21 goals in 99 games


Division 2? Have you been in a coma for the last few years? Do you still call the charts 'the hit parade' and call a nightclub a discotheque?  ;)

Erm...we haven’t told him he woke up in 2019 yet. He still thinks Milli Vanilli sang their songs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 12:28:51 AM
Gayle is very good in division 2, and average in the top flight mixed in with the occasional venture into looking good and more regular visits to looking crap.

Div 2: 59 goals in 100 games
Div 1: 21 goals in 99 games


Division 2? Have you been in a coma for the last few years? Do you still call the charts 'the hit parade' and call a nightclub a discotheque?  ;)

Erm...we haven’t told him he woke up in 2019 yet. He still thinks Milli Vanilli sang their songs.

I enjoyed this reference.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2019, 06:17:30 AM
4 weeks to go tomorrow.

Squad depth...

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland - (Heaton) - One must be on the way out
RB - Guilbert, Elmo, Bree
LB - Targett, Taylor,
CB - Mings, Chester, Hause - (at least 1 short)
DM - Hourihane - (desperate for 2 players that can play here IMO)
CM - Grealish, McGinn, Lansbury, Bjarnason, Tshibola (poor after the first 2 really)
Wing - El Ghazi, Green, Jota (Need another quality option)
Striker - Wesley, Kodjia, Hogan (Need another)

I still think we are 2 midfielders (one specific holding, one that can play both roles), a centre half, a keeper, a striker and a winger from having a squad I would be confident in. I think 4-5 or 5 of the above will leave too. Even if we only signed 1 midfielder, we are still 4-5 short. Going to be an interesting month, last thing we want to go is end up with a couple of bad injuries and rely on players that could not get in our team in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 10, 2019, 06:26:18 AM
4 weeks to go tomorrow.

Squad depth...

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland - (Heaton) - One must be on the way out
RB - Guilbert, Elmo, Bree
LB - Targett, Taylor,
CB - Mings, Chester, Hause - (at least 1 short)
DM - Hourihane - (desperate for 2 players that can play here IMO)
CM - Grealish, McGinn, Lansbury, Bjarnason, Tshibola (poor after the first 2 really)
Wing - El Ghazi, Green, Jota (Need another quality option)
Striker - Wesley, Kodjia, Hogan (Need another)

I still think we are 2 midfielders (one specific holding, one that can play both roles), a centre half, a keeper, a striker and a winger from having a squad I would be confident in. I think 4-5 or 5 of the above will leave too. Even if we only signed 1 midfielder, we are still 4-5 short. Going to be an interesting month, last thing we want to go is end up with a couple of bad injuries and rely on players that could not get in our team in the championship.

I agree with this.

At a push, I'd be happy to go with Steer (although it would be a gamble) and at this point, I'd settle for one DM with Hourihane as back up.

When we got promoted, we all knew that realistically, we were only Jack, SJM and possibly Elmo towards a PL side.  3 loans made permanent have helped and also brought a bit of continuity.  My only criticism so far is that I'd question whether we ought to have kept Whelan for another 12 months, or at least until January.  Other than that, I'm happy with our dealings to date and I'm confident the other positions will be filled over the next 4 weeks.  Our signings so far have been the easier ones - The more difficult ones are taking time and there's been very little movement in the PL this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2019, 07:11:58 AM
Wouldn't mind Roofe as a backup, think he is a good player and wouldn't cost a fortune.

Would annoy Leeds fans too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2019, 07:43:28 AM
Yes, and we could sing one of the many Carew songs for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 08:01:27 AM
Yes, and we could sing one of the many Carew songs for him.

"Our Hause in the middle of defence" followed by "Our Roofe is on fire" would be fun alright!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 10, 2019, 08:04:28 AM
Leeds fans all thinking PHILLIPS on his way our as he wasn’t used in any video or press release pics of their new shirt release
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 10, 2019, 08:22:51 AM
Talk of Hegazi for £5m.

Who knows how accurate that is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 08:27:12 AM
Talk of Hegazi for £5m.

Who knows how accurate that is.

Hopefully not very.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 10, 2019, 08:27:54 AM
Talk of Hegazi for £5m.

Who knows how accurate that is.

Hopefully it's not accurate whatsoever.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on July 10, 2019, 08:44:20 AM
As a squad player, I'd be ok with that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 10, 2019, 08:45:40 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/YXbZ1YB/7-B182417-6-A6-A-4-E3-D-A66-B-FAB4-B66-B3-AC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXbZ1YB)


Good shot of comparisons . Sorry not sure how to make bigger without clicking on it.....heaton is on the right !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on July 10, 2019, 08:46:47 AM
Good shout on Whelan too. I'd have kept him for the first 6 months. He is better than at least 2 of the players we have kept so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 10, 2019, 08:50:02 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/YXbZ1YB/7-B182417-6-A6-A-4-E3-D-A66-B-FAB4-B66-B3-AC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXbZ1YB)


Good shot of comparisons . Sorry not sure how to make bigger without clicking on it.....heaton is on the right !
But isn't that comparing Heaton in the Premiership against Butland in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 08:50:38 AM
Sky Sports Villa page still has a headline saying we signed Ings and not Mings. Danny would be a decent replacement for Hogan but Saints have already fleeced us once... and they've just signed him permanently from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 10, 2019, 08:51:22 AM
Talk of Hegazi for £5m.

Who knows how accurate that is.

Doesn't he play on the left, though. We already have that side covered.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 08:56:00 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/YXbZ1YB/7-B182417-6-A6-A-4-E3-D-A66-B-FAB4-B66-B3-AC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YXbZ1YB)


Good shot of comparisons . Sorry not sure how to make bigger without clicking on it.....heaton is on the right !
But isn't that comparing Heaton in the Premiership against Butland in the Championship.

Yep. The saves per game is the more important stat as our keeper will have more to do in the PL than Butland (or Steer or Kalinic or Nyland for that matter) had to do in an average Championship game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
Which shite we linked with today?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2019, 09:17:21 AM
well Av transfers is saying a medical is booked for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 09:18:41 AM
well Av transfers is saying a medical is booked for tomorrow.

For who mate - Heaton?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
no idea it was just one of those enigmatic medical booked for 12 type of tings. If true I would have thought Heaton but who knows, maybe Phillips?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 10, 2019, 09:44:12 AM
Leeds fans all thinking PHILLIPS on his way our as he wasn’t used in any video or press release pics of their new shirt release

There's one of their fans on Twitter - which has largely gone into meltdown about it - suggesting the staff in the club shop were advising people not to get his name printed on the shirts last night.  To be honest, I didn't really notice him much last season so not sure about it at all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 10, 2019, 09:47:08 AM
Tom Heaton was captain at Burnley so would bring more leadership skills to the team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dr Butler on July 10, 2019, 09:59:56 AM
my Burnley supporting mate rates Heaton highly and asked if we could take Hart instead as he is shite.


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 10, 2019, 10:09:55 AM
Leeds fans all thinking PHILLIPS on his way our as he wasn’t used in any video or press release pics of their new shirt release

There's one of their fans on Twitter - which has largely gone into meltdown about it - suggesting the staff in the club shop were advising people not to get his name printed on the shirts last night.  To be honest, I didn't really notice him much last season so not sure about it at all.

Phillips was outstanding every game I saw Leeds play last season including the one at Villa Park.

I'd love to have him in that defensive midfield role, Phillips/McGinn/Grealish as our midfield 3, thats very tasty.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 10, 2019, 10:38:41 AM
Leeds fans all thinking PHILLIPS on his way our as he wasn’t used in any video or press release pics of their new shirt release

There's one of their fans on Twitter - which has largely gone into meltdown about it - suggesting the staff in the club shop were advising people not to get his name printed on the shirts last night.  To be honest, I didn't really notice him much last season so not sure about it at all.

Phillips was outstanding every game I saw Leeds play last season including the one at Villa Park.

I'd love to have him in that defensive midfield role, Phillips/McGinn/Grealish as our midfield 3, thats very tasty.

It is. I worry there's not much cover for them though. We'd still be relying on the likes of Barny and Landsbury
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 10, 2019, 11:02:14 AM
Hourihane is a more than able deputy for all 3 if he was to maintain his late season form, so barring bad injuries Lansbury/Bjarnason should not be needed.

I dont think we can afford to buy 2 quality centre midfielders with the amount we have spent already and going to spend elsewhere. We are going to be smashing through the 100m barrier very shortly as it is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2019, 11:03:05 AM
Dyche saying he knows nothing about any Heaton rumours and he’s out in Portugal training with his squad, so doubt it’s a medical for him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stuart r on July 10, 2019, 11:14:43 AM
Which shite we linked with today?

Daniel Sturridge
Source: A bloke at my work who is mainly into horse racing and cricket and supports Bristol Rovers. He overheard it in a coffee shop in Lichfield this morning.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
4 weeks to go tomorrow.

Squad depth...

GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland - (Heaton) - One must be on the way out
RB - Guilbert, Elmo, Bree
LB - Targett, Taylor,
CB - Mings, Chester, Hause - (at least 1 short)
DM - Hourihane - (desperate for 2 players that can play here IMO)
CM - Grealish, McGinn, Lansbury, Bjarnason, Tshibola (poor after the first 2 really)
Wing - El Ghazi, Green, Jota (Need another quality option)
Striker - Wesley, Kodjia, Hogan (Need another)

I still think we are 2 midfielders (one specific holding, one that can play both roles), a centre half, a keeper, a striker and a winger from having a squad I would be confident in. I think 4-5 or 5 of the above will leave too. Even if we only signed 1 midfielder, we are still 4-5 short. Going to be an interesting month, last thing we want to go is end up with a couple of bad injuries and rely on players that could not get in our team in the championship.

Don't forget O'Hare, Ramsey, RHM, Davis and Hogan.

And bloody hell, you'd think our new players would all be in the squad list on the OS wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 10, 2019, 11:28:24 AM
Dyche saying he knows nothing about any Heaton rumours and he’s out in Portugal training with his squad, so doubt it’s a medical for him

Yep, seems it’s a typical Evening Mail click bait rumour. I reckon we’ll sign Butland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 10, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
Which shite we linked with today?

Daniel Sturridge
Source: A bloke at my work who is mainly into horse racing and cricket and supports Bristol Rovers. He overheard it in a coffee shop in Lichfield this morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48920558

".....linked with a move to newly promoted Aston Villa....."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
Maybe it's the dog that's booked in for a medical ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2019, 11:46:40 AM
Please God no to anyone on the list below:

Sturridge
Borini
Austin
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stuart r on July 10, 2019, 11:50:48 AM
Its a new transfer strategy. Dognapping. Saves us money.

DS - Sign here and I'll give you your dog back
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
Please God no to anyone on the list below:

Sturridge
Borini
Austin

+ Welbeck
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 10, 2019, 12:09:26 PM


Having spent 22m on Big Wes, you can safely say we aren't going to go big on another striker seeing as we only play one up top.

For that reason, and only that reason I could see the link to Sturridge or Austin as 'possible'
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2019, 12:23:05 PM
The fact that Maupay still hasn't gone to Blades indicates (to me at least) that there still may be mileage in him coming here
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
A midfield three of Grealish, McGinn and Phillips would give us youth, bite and no little skill, a hard combination even the best would have difficulty dealing with.  Please let it be so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
Please God no to anyone on the list below:

Sturridge
Borini
Austin

+ Welbeck

+Benni McCarthy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2019, 01:06:07 PM

Matt Law

@Matt_Law_DT
 Keep reading Villa are this summer's Fulham. Apart from spending money, aren't they the complete opposite? Eg, ensuring core of promotion squad is kept together and signing young and hungry players. No guarantee it will work but strategy doesn't look anything like Fulham's to me.

1,436
10:27 AM - Jul 9, 2019
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Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 01:11:17 PM
Not one of our buys appears a panic buy or one made without thought. For the most part we have secured players from last year and then added pieces to specific areas we needed. Nothing overly fancy or elaborate. What it highlights is the age and quality of the squad coming into this league and how we recognized that sentiment had no place. Carrying those players would have sunk us for sure. We’ve gone about our business very efficiently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
There's that fucking 'young and hungry' bullshit again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2019, 01:22:27 PM
There's that fucking 'young and hungry' bullshit again.

It is but what isn’t getting mentioned is that 3 of the 6 are English and from all accounts the keeper, new CB and DM could all be English too, so although there is a lack of PL experience they are not going to find it as big a shock as some of the players Fulham signed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2019, 01:29:38 PM
Not one of our buys appears a panic but or one made without thought. For the most part we have secured players from last year and then added pieces to specific areas we needed. Nothing overly fancy or elaborate. What it highlights is the age and quality of the squad coming into this league and how we recognized that sentiment had no place. Carrying those players would have sunk us for sure. We’ve gone about our business very efficiently.

Totally agree with this.

If (God forbid) we had got promoted with this wealth with Fist face you just know

Cahill
Sturridge
Austin

would have been in the frame for "Experience" and new contracts would have been given to Jedi and Whelan

Then all of the them told - "Roll up wor sleeves and go do something on the pitch"

I really like the way we are operating

Another CH - possibly the kid from Brentford (unless he is valued at £20mil) as we need someone who will be happy to be benched a lot
DF - Phillips seems to be a common choice amongst the more cued up folk on here and elsewhere
Winger - I think we did not travel to Egypt for no reason so expect to see the Trezeuget geezer
Striker - This is a tough one for me - I do not think our kids are quite good enough and trying to get someone in who knowingly will play 2nd fiddle to Big Wes means we have to take a punt on someone.

Glad I don't have to make the calls
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2019, 01:30:28 PM
It also means that Southgate will have reason to watch us a lot, that could then be a factor when we're looking to sign English players in future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on July 10, 2019, 01:33:56 PM
There's that fucking 'young and hungry' bullshit again.

It is but what isn’t getting mentioned is that 3 of the 6 are English and from all accounts the keeper, new CB and DM could all be English too, so although there is a lack of PL experience they are not going to find it as big a shock as some of the players Fulham signed
I don't see Smith being as tactically blind as Fulham were for much of last season. They kept on playing their fullbacks like wingers game after game and they were getting slaughtered. Ranieri inherited a poisoned chalice and had no answers. They were well gone by the time the tinkerman left.

I know Smith says we'll play our way regardless, which I'd say should be taken with a pinch of salt. That said, it's not as kamikaze as Jokanovic liked to play at times. That might work in the Championship when players aren't generally as quick, fit or ruthless on the counter, but they got found out majorly. Sessagnon never got going really.

But yeah, I think our signings have been more sensible for one. Smith knows Jota. We've tied up several loans who are already well integrated in the squad, and we're spending sensibly elsewhere. Wesley is the biggest gamble I think, but I think we'll be signing another striker as competition/contingency. Our Wes will be good anyhow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passitsideways on July 10, 2019, 01:36:54 PM
The problem with young and hungry was that those traits were substitutes for actual quality, as opposed to going hand in hand.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 10, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
Not one of our buys appears a panic but or one made without thought. For the most part we have secured players from last year and then added pieces to specific areas we needed. Nothing overly fancy or elaborate. What it highlights is the age and quality of the squad coming into this league and how we recognized that sentiment had no place. Carrying those players would have sunk us for sure. We’ve gone about our business very efficiently.

Totally agree with this.

If (God forbid) we had got promoted with this wealth with Fist face you just know

Cahill
Sturridge
Austin

would have been in the frame for "Experience" and new contracts would have been given to Jedi and Whelan

Then all of the them told - "Roll up wor sleeves and go do something on the pitch"

I really like the way we are operating

Another CH - possibly the kid from Brentford (unless he is valued at £20mil) as we need someone who will be happy to be benched a lot
DF - Phillips seems to be a common choice amongst the more cued up folk on here and elsewhere
Winger - I think we did not travel to Egypt for no reason so expect to see the Trezeuget geezer
Striker - This is a tough one for me - I do not think our kids are quite good enough and trying to get someone in who knowingly will play 2nd fiddle to Big Wes means we have to take a punt on someone.

Glad I don't have to make the calls


I wouldnt be surprised to see either Sturridge or Cahill turn up. But if they did it would probably be on sensible contracts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 10, 2019, 01:43:49 PM
Cahill and Sturridge could end up at Newcastle if Bruce takes over.
:D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Cahill and Sturridge could end up at Newcastle if Bruce takes over.
:D
Bruce and Barcodes, you say? - perfect combination!!



... for the Chumpionship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
The problem with young and hungry was that those traits were substitutes for actual quality, as opposed to going hand in hand.

The reason it didn't work last time was due to the Manager. If you're going to bring in 'young and hungry' they need coaching to develop. The plan wasn't essentially wrong. Lambert was just the wrong manager to make it work.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2019, 02:06:37 PM
Not one of our buys appears a panic but or one made without thought. For the most part we have secured players from last year and then added pieces to specific areas we needed. Nothing overly fancy or elaborate. What it highlights is the age and quality of the squad coming into this league and how we recognized that sentiment had no place. Carrying those players would have sunk us for sure. We’ve gone about our business very efficiently.

I think the Jota signing was a touch convenient. He plays better in an attacking midfielder role where we are already very strong with Grealish, McGinn and Hourihane. He was average for the Blues on the right so don't think he is a serious option for us out wide. Would be worried about his ability to mix it physically in the top division. Hope to be proved 100% wrong btw...

Something is seriously amiss regarding the Kalinic signing 7 months ago for a big fee and we are already looking at replacing him after 7 games. Not every signing works obviously but that one is perplexing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 02:15:29 PM

Something is seriously amiss regarding the Kalinic signing 7 months ago for a big fee and we are already looking at replacing him after 7 games. Not every signing works obviously but that one is perplexing.

I wonder if the contract was such that Villa had to sign him once the work-permit situation was resolved. Is that possible ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
Not one of our buys appears a panic but or one made without thought. For the most part we have secured players from last year and then added pieces to specific areas we needed. Nothing overly fancy or elaborate. What it highlights is the age and quality of the squad coming into this league and how we recognized that sentiment had no place. Carrying those players would have sunk us for sure. We’ve gone about our business very efficiently.

I think the Jota signing was a touch convenient. He plays better in an attacking midfielder role where we are already very strong with Grealish, McGinn and Hourihane. He was average for the Blues on the right so don't think he is a serious option for us out wide. Would be worried about his ability to mix it physically in the top division. Hope to be proved 100% wrong btw...

Something is seriously amiss regarding the Kalinic signing 7 months ago for a big fee and we are already looking at replacing him after 7 games. Not every signing works obviously but that one is perplexing.

I don’t have an issue with Jota. Smith clearly likes him and got a lot out of him at Brentford. Going to the beggars would kill most careers so he’ll look at this as a huge opportunity and a fresh start. And for what amounts to £2m it is zero risk and very likely a player that comes in with a really good attitude.

As for Kalinic there might be something amiss. He got legitimately concussed but when we needed him after he opted for a surgery that could have waited until the summer. That could have rubbed Smith the wrong way and luckily Steer came in and played out of his skin. Maybe it’s just better for all parties to part ways.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
Konsa from Brentford being talked about on twitter with talks ‘advanced’.
Don’t know anything about him, but with them signing the dick from Leeds, is this just 2+2 or some real mileage in it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
Cahill and Sturridge could end up at Newcastle if Bruce takes over.
:D
Bruce and Barcodes, you say? - perfect combination!!



... for the Chumpionship.
They’d be there or there abouts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2019, 02:51:04 PM
The problem with young and hungry was that those traits were substitutes for actual quality, as opposed to going hand in hand.

Yep, signing young players with the ability either from a lower standard league or not getting a chance at their club and planning to work hard with them in training is very different to what Lambert did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2019, 02:56:02 PM
Benteke has been mentioned again. My heart says yes but my head isn't so sure. He wasn't consistent at Liverpool and was a passenger in most of the games I saw him play for Palace last season. His confidence appears to be shot and I would be wary of buying a player who's last two moves have not worked out. There is no way he is currently worth what Liverpool or Palace paid for him. I would be tempted to take him on loan though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Advanced talks for Konsa. Tick over £10m.

Much better value than £30m on Webster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Konsa from Brentford being talked about on twitter with talks ‘advanced’.
Don’t know anything about him, but with them signing the dick from Leeds, is this just 2+2 or some real mileage in it?
Really good young ball playing centre back. Nice to be going for these kind of players...wasn't that long ago we had James Collins here trying to get a deal :S
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
He’s a very silky player with good pace and bags of potential. Already an England U21.

Can we not just go and buy out the recruitment team at Brentford?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
On SSN now about Konsa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Max Villan on July 10, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Does anybody else think the signing of Konsa means we're signing Tuanzebe on loan again?

Makes perfect sense to bring in a younger player to integrate into the squad ready to replace Tuanzebe once he goes back to Man U.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
Does anybody else think the signing of Konsa means we're signing Tuanzebe on loan again?

Makes perfect sense to bring in a younger player to integrate into the squad ready to replace Tuanzebe once he goes back to Man U.
No...they're the same age.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
Another Brentford player?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Max Villan on July 10, 2019, 04:17:08 PM
Does anybody else think the signing of Konsa means we're signing Tuanzebe on loan again?

Makes perfect sense to bring in a younger player to integrate into the squad ready to replace Tuanzebe once he goes back to Man U.
No...they're the same age.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling we'll get both for some reason.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 10, 2019, 04:20:04 PM
Liked the look of that Kongolo at Huddersfield.  Dutch international already and still plenty of time for him to improve as well.

If we're moving for this lad at Brentford it probably puts the kybosh on that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 04:25:28 PM
Does anybody else think the signing of Konsa means we're signing Tuanzebe on loan again?

Makes perfect sense to bring in a younger player to integrate into the squad ready to replace Tuanzebe once he goes back to Man U.
No...they're the same age.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling we'll get both for some reason.
I'm not sure, I don't see us doing loans personally...especially from another club now in the same league. It benefits more Utd more than us and it kinda says there aren't defenders to buy which is obviously not the case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on July 10, 2019, 04:25:46 PM
West London paper says £12 million release fee
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2019, 04:27:36 PM
West London paper says £12 release course

Bargain!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
Twitter now saying Konsa undergoing a medical  !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2019, 04:31:33 PM
Must admit Konsa passed me by last year but checking out the YouTube clips he can certainly play. Quick and comfortable on the ball, not your typical Villa centre half! We are definitely entering a new era
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 10, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
West London paper says £12 release course

Bargain!

OK as long as it does not start a bidding war  *smiley thing*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 04:34:38 PM
I think he's naturally a centre mid turned centre back...possibly cover if desperately needed for the defensive midfield role we're lacking at the mo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: berneboy on July 10, 2019, 04:42:12 PM
West London paper says £12 release course

Bargain!
Indeed. I've modified!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
Some football correspondent for the London Evening Standard Joe Maxwell saying Konsa deal is done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 10, 2019, 05:00:30 PM
I don't know much about this player, but judging by posts he seems versatile in the same way Guilbert's main position is right back but he can play centre back also. Posts seem to indicate Konsa is a Tuanzebe type of player. Would that be a fair comparison?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 10, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Pleased with this signing. Seems to me he will be competing with Hause to partner Mings and can cover defensive midfield also. That leaves Chester playing if we pick up multiple injuries, which is fine.

If the reports are correct and the fee is around £10m that is pretty good for a young England U21 International given the fees seen this summer. We can not afford to pay >£20m twice for a centre back in one window. Hause plus Konsa for <15m makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2019, 05:07:18 PM
Having a £12m release fee allows the deal to be done quick, Another big saving that allows money to be spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 10, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Pleased with this signing. Seems to me he will be competing with Hause to partner Mings and can cover defensive midfield also. That leaves Chester playing if we pick up multiple injuries, which is fine.

If the reports are correct and the fee is around £10m that is pretty good for a young England U21 International given the fees seen this summer. We can not afford to pay >£20m twice for a centre back in one window. Hause plus Konsa for <15m makes a lot of sense.

He's right footed, as was Tuenzebe, my guess is hes come in to replace Axel.
I doubt he'll be competing with left sided Hause.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
I doubt we're still after Tuanzebe too. We have four centre backs now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 10, 2019, 05:51:32 PM
I'd like a bit of experience and leadership up front - to be sly and know when to slow things down to suit us. Going well so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 10, 2019, 05:58:22 PM
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I was surprised how quick he was and he can play. Impressed with the ability not to be turned and recovering in front of the striker. Not great at heading apparently which I'm sure can be taught. Hope he can keep it consistent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 10, 2019, 06:05:24 PM
Do we think we've signed him as the partner for Mings? Or is it still a possibility we're looking for someone else?

I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at Cahill on a two year deal. Especially if we're not sure about Chester's fitness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 10, 2019, 06:15:02 PM
No signings confirmed today. Disgrace. Smith out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: baddowvillans on July 10, 2019, 06:20:44 PM
Steve Bruce favourite for Newcastle United manager

D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2019, 06:32:40 PM
We'll have 2 defenders for each position if we complete the Konsa deal so I think if we were to bring any other defenders in, it would mean someone will be leaving. If we could basically swap Cahill for Chester, it would be harsh but we would be stronger for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 06:46:03 PM
I’m concerned by Chester. If he’s truly fit again then he’ll be an asset and will help us at both ends of the pitch. But I wouldn’t want to take that risk in what will be tough season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on July 10, 2019, 07:12:07 PM
Chester has said his injury will need to be managed,   that doesn't mean he's a right off. I would expect him to be the main partner with Mings. The other 2 will be back-up. With Konsa developing over the season. I would be very surprised to see Konsa starting the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 10, 2019, 07:31:27 PM
Chester has said his injury will need to be managed,   that doesn't mean he's a right off. I would expect him to be the main partner with Mings. The other 2 will be back-up. With Konsa developing over the season. I would be very surprised to see Konsa starting the season.
I would expect Hause to be the main partner with Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2019, 07:56:57 PM
Trezuguet and Wilson both strongly linked?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Trezuguet source is not reliable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2019, 08:06:57 PM
Apologies
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2019, 08:07:48 PM
No need to apologise. Just looks like the source is a Turkish outlet with a poor record.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 10, 2019, 08:08:47 PM
The original Trezeguet was bang average at best so I find it disconcerting that that’s who he is nicknamed after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2019, 08:11:55 PM
Steve Bruce favourite for Newcastle United manager

D ;D

They'll be there or thereabouts......for relegation!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 08:14:32 PM
The original Trezeguet was bang average at best so I find it disconcerting that that’s who he is nicknamed after.

David Trezeguet?! I never saw much of him but he always struck me as decent. I was, and remain, very against the chin-only beard, however, so fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 10, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
Over a goal every other game for juventus, he was hardly shite!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2019, 08:36:22 PM
Chester has said his injury will need to be managed,   that doesn't mean he's a right off. I would expect him to be the main partner with Mings. The other 2 will be back-up. With Konsa developing over the season. I would be very surprised to see Konsa starting the season.


We had a centre half years ago who's injuries needed to be managed and it worked out well enough.

Maybe we need Jim Walker back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Maupay links not going away....think Brentford are signing Sam Gallagher
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 10, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
Rather  than wait for Brentford  to "develop" their players and sell them at a good profit why don't we "sign" their recruitment team and reap the rewards ourselves?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2019, 08:43:55 PM
Rather  than wait for Brentford  to "develop" their players and sell them at a good profit why don't we "sign" their recruitment team and reap the rewards ourselves?
Sign their manager, buy their players, poach their recruitment team.  Might as well go the whole hog and call ourselves Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
Rather  than wait for Brentford  to "develop" their players and sell them at a good profit why don't we "sign" their recruitment team and reap the rewards ourselves?

They signed raw talents that they developed in the championship at a club with limited ambitions. Bit different for us to take that raw talent and throw it into the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 08:47:19 PM
Yeah, the Bees fans must be wishing we'd buzz off and it's all well and good going back to your old club again to pay handsomely for their best talent but I think we're going to have to add some proven PL or equivalent talent at some stage this summer (ie the holding midfielder and wily striker we're lacking). Otherwise, I don't see a huge improvement on last season's squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2019, 09:33:41 PM
SHA went through a spell of signing their best players aswell, Jota and they also signed Harlee Dean and Max Colin all in one summer.

Didn't realise Konsa was just 21, I actually saw him play in early 2017 for Charlton against Walsall and he looked very impressive then. CB but can also play full back I think. Also speaks French so can help Freddy settle in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2019, 09:47:25 PM
Rather  than wait for Brentford  to "develop" their players and sell them at a good profit why don't we "sign" their recruitment team and reap the rewards ourselves?
Sign their manager, buy their players, poach their recruitment team.  Might as well go the whole hog and call ourselves Brentford.


If it means we will have a pub at every corner of the ground and regular visits from Natalie Sawyer I vote yes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 10, 2019, 09:50:43 PM
Chester has said his injury will need to be managed,   that doesn't mean he's a right off. I would expect him to be the main partner with Mings. The other 2 will be back-up. With Konsa developing over the season. I would be very surprised to see Konsa starting the season.
I would expect Hause to be the main partner with Mings.

Those two are both left sided, though. Konsa is right, as was Axel, so he and Mings would seem to be the obvious pairing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2019, 10:45:38 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2019, 10:50:10 PM
Over a goal every other game for juventus, he was hardly shite!

Scored the winning goal in the Euro 2000 final too, absolute cracker !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 10:54:01 PM
Richard E really has it in for David Trezeguet but I don't know why.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.

Huge difference playing both positions. There can't be that many who were comfortable playing both positions, McGrath maybe? Will never forget John Terrys efforts playing on the right side next to Upson in the 2010 world cup. Complete car crash!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2019, 10:58:15 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.

Huge difference playing both positions. There can't be that many who were comfortable playing both positions, McGrath maybe? Will never forget John Terrys efforts playing on the right side next to Upson in the 2010 world cup. Complete car crash!

No, there really isn't. You're both playing in the centre.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 11:21:29 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.
I don't either. All I recall is having one big massive bruiser and someone alongside him who could play a bit and clear up the mess and that worked very well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 10, 2019, 11:24:11 PM
Maupay please.

ASAP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 10, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.

Agree. Also Mings and Hause played together a few times and looked as good a partnership as Mings and Axel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
I think ever since there’s been a greater emphasis placed on playing out from the back, the importance of having a balanced centre back pairing.

Didn’t Smith make a half time substitution in one of the games in the run-in or something where he changed the centre back pairing and felt it made us play better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2019, 11:58:57 PM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.


Completely agree Lee.
Was it a consideration with the pairings of Evans/Mcnaught ? Mellberg/Laursen? Mountfield /god ?

I think it’s just another one of those contrived things to make people think that football needs to be complicated.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 12:03:54 AM
I think there's a couple of bits to it. Thne greater focus on playing the ball out is one reason, as is the greater access to stats and footage where every mistake can be easily analysed. For me though it's simply that players will always have a natural preference even when there's no immediately obvious reason to, with defenders I think it's just a natural preference of how you turn your body as much as anything.

Where it has always been a bigger talking point (and where people seem averse to Mings and Hause together) is when you have 2 left footers in a central pairing, as if it somehow means they won't be able to play together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 11, 2019, 12:29:08 AM
Doubt it's that important which foot the player is better with, but might be important which side they're used to playing on.

Even last season before his injury we saw how Chester looked a tad uneasy playing on the left hand side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2019, 05:51:38 AM
We did, but Hause looked perfectly fine on the right of Mings and is left footed. I actually think Hause could end up being the bargain of the season at £3 million.

I would happily take Wilson and Trezeguet as our additional wide options too.

And Maupay.

And a couple of combative midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 11, 2019, 06:51:29 AM
Hopefully in a few months time we are not looking at the team and thinking we have blown a £100 million and they are not good enough!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 11, 2019, 07:18:25 AM
Can someone tell me please at which point in football history it became compulsory to have a left foot/right foot centre half pairing? I don't recall ever giving it a second thought until about 4 years ago.

Huge difference playing both positions. There can't be that many who were comfortable playing both positions, McGrath maybe? Will never forget John Terrys efforts playing on the right side next to Upson in the 2010 world cup. Complete car crash!

Terry is right footed though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2019, 07:18:53 AM
The central midfielders signing is absolutely key.  Really important to get it right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: alanclare on July 11, 2019, 07:37:36 AM
Is Jack Butland still a possibility - or not?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: alanclare on July 11, 2019, 07:50:39 AM
From stokesentinel.co.uk:

Aston Villa have turned their attention from Stoke City’s pricey Jack Butland to Burnley’s Tom Heaton as they search for a new first-choice goalkeeper.

According to the Sun, Villa have bid £7m for Heaton after becoming exasperated at the £20m plus Stoke are demanding for England man Butland.

Heaton, aged 33, has one year left on his current Burnley deal and has turned down the offer of an extension.

The Sun says: "Burnley value Heaton much higher than the Villa offer and do not want to lose him but he is a genuine alternative to Villa’s top choice Jack Butland and Neil Etheridge."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 11, 2019, 08:24:35 AM
Brentford hoping to sign Sam Gallagher will leave door open for Maupay to leave .... would be good for us. After the DFM and winger get announced today , Maupay, PHILLIPS and Etheridge In by time they fly to USA will be great job done. Axel on loan on deadline day then after Utd sign Maguire
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 08:30:39 AM
Maupay please.

ASAP.

Baker & Kelly .... any Maupay?


(only really works if his name is pronounced with 'pie' at the end, which I've no idea if it is)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 11, 2019, 08:38:34 AM
Friend of mine is a Leeds season ticket holder who claims to know someone on the club staff (ticket sales, not playing side so take with a massive pinch of salt), and he says the feeling up there is that Kalvin Phillips is using us purely to get a better deal in his contract negotiations.  He doesn't seem even remotely worried that he'll leave this summer, and actually thought £30m was WAY overpriced.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 08:48:45 AM
Friend of mine is a Leeds season ticket holder who claims to know someone on the club staff (ticket sales, not playing side so take with a massive pinch of salt), and he says the feeling up there is that Kalvin Phillips is using us purely to get a better deal in his contract negotiations.  He doesn't seem even remotely worried that he'll leave this summer, and actually thought £30m was WAY overpriced.

Well it's certainly a win-win situation for him isn't it? Either way he ends up with a massive pay-day, he either gets a bumper deal with Leeds or the likes of Villa or Sheffield Utd come in with a bid for him and he gets a Premier League contract.

The original story on Phillips was that he was entirely loyal to Leeds and didn't want to leave, but if he's playing the contract game with them and rejecting improved terms in order to a) force a move, or b) make a fortune for himself, then he's hardly putting Leeds first is he?

My gut feeling is he'll be a Villa player come August, purely because we need someone exactly like him - a young, tenacious, agile DM who is comfortable on the ball and has a spotless injury record to date. They don't come along often.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 09:15:43 AM
I thought Dyche had come out and said there had been no bids for Heaton? Also, it seems a bit odd that two days after his release clause was 'revealed', Konsa is all but signed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 11, 2019, 09:34:36 AM
Flashback: * Just over a week ago *

"I'm really scared about our defence!"
"We've got no-one at the back!"
"I'm getting really worried now!"
"This looks like relegation to me."
"Can't believe we've only got Hause in this window at the back. We're so short of signings!"

Oh ye of little faith.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 11, 2019, 10:13:14 AM
I love what we doing in this transfer market young hungry players who want success just like we do I can see these players being brilliant when you want something bad enough you will bust a gut to get it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 11, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 11, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
Starting to worry that plans to extend the ground may have to be put on hold as the home dugout will need to have its capacity increased first.
😜
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on July 11, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

My thoughts exactly. Lack of PL experience, although you could have said that about Wolves and they didn't struggle. Need a couple more in for the first team and a couple of decent reserves. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2019, 11:12:49 AM
I'd hope the squad as is would finish 14th/15th with no major injuries. If the squad ends up like this, i would hope it would finish 2/3 places higher...
Heaton?, Steer, Kalinic
Elhammody, Guilbert, Chester, Konza, Mings, Hause, Targett, Taylor.
Grealish, McGinn, Phillips?, Hourahane, Bjarnasson, Lansbury
El Ghazi, Trezeguet?, Jota, Green
Wesley, Davis, Kodjia, Hepburn Murphy.
25 players

Who knows, it might end up stronger still the way we're going.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
I can't keep up with all this - Konsa now signed and some reports we've had a  bid accepted for the Egyptian geezer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 11, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Starting to worry that plans to extend the ground may have to be put on hold as the home dugout will need to have its capacity increased first.
😜

Yes,
iin the space of a week we’ve gone from fretting about a lack of central defenders to wondering if he’s going to play 3 centre half’s at the back
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2019, 11:22:20 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 11, 2019, 11:29:23 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.

There are many players out their who are brilliant footballers, Messi, Mbape, etc who don't have Prem experience.  Good footballers will be good in the Premiership or in any league. All we can do at this stage is improve on what we currently have which is what we seem to be doing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
I'm a bit concerned that I'm starting to hear the 'young and hungry' bullshit crop up regularly again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
I'd hope the squad as is would finish 14th/15th with no major injuries. If the squad ends up like this, i would hope it would finish 2/3 places higher...
Heaton?, Steer, Kalinic
Elhammody, Guilbert, Chester, Konza, Mings, Hause, Targett, Taylor.
Grealish, McGinn, Phillips?, Hourahane, Bjarnasson, Lansbury
El Ghazi, Trezeguet?, Jota, Green
Wesley, Davis, Kodjia, Hepburn Murphy.
25 players

Who knows, it might end up stronger still the way we're going.

Green, Davis and RHM won't have to be named in the squad this year, they were all born in 1998 so they count as U21 for next season. I'd add O'Hare in place of 1 of them and then I agree with the 3 spots you've identified as needing to be filled.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 11, 2019, 11:42:32 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
I had the same conversation last night.
Every single player we have signed so far ( except Targett), plus most of the existing squad, needs to make a massive step up in standard.
Whilst I am delighted with the signings so far, we really need a couple of quality, experienced players.

It pains me to say it but players like Sturridge and (really sorry) Delph could do a job for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 11:47:56 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
I had the same conversation last night.
Every single player we have signed so far ( except Targett), plus most of the existing squad, needs to make a massive step up in standard.
Whilst I am delighted with the signings so far, we really need a couple of quality, experienced players.

It pains me to say it but players like Sturridge and (really sorry) Delph could do a job for us.

I'd rather wipe my arse with sandpaper than see us sign either of those. Delph can do one and Sturridge is a crock.

Heaton would bring experience and a level head. I'd bring him in, of all the GK options. There aren't a huge amount of available / affordable PL players I'd have at this point for positions we haven't already filled, tbh. Cahill would have been one, but IMO we've signed enough centre-halves this window and need to focus on DM, winger etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
I had the same conversation last night.
Every single player we have signed so far ( except Targett), plus most of the existing squad, needs to make a massive step up in standard.
Whilst I am delighted with the signings so far, we really need a couple of quality, experienced players.

It pains me to say it but players like Sturridge and (really sorry) Delph could do a job for us.

If you believe that the premier league is the best in the world then it will always be a step up in quality for anyone (bar players from 6-7 clubs in Europe) and I'd rather we signed players on the way up rather than on the way down.

I totally understand the concern but with the number of signings we're making I think it would be difficult to add that experience without drifting into signing guys looking for a last contract. I'm not entirely against that but I think you have to be very careful with those players as they can quite easily hit a wall early on and realise they've gone a season too far, it's what happened with Lescott for example.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2019, 11:53:24 AM
Players step up all the time, as long as they're good enough. It's why we will be playing Brighton, Watford, Bournemouth and Burnely next season.

We need four more for me. A central holding midfielder, a wide player, a forward and a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:56:52 AM
Players step up all the time, as long as they're good enough. It's why we will be playing Brighton, Watford, Bournemouth and Burnely next season.

We need four more for me. A central holding midfielder, a wide player, a forward and a goalkeeper.

I could go with that, the first 2 are important, they're gaps in the squad as it stands, the other 2 are adding quality and depth where we might be a bit lacking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
I'd hope the squad as is would finish 14th/15th with no major injuries. If the squad ends up like this, i would hope it would finish 2/3 places higher...
Heaton?, Steer, Kalinic
Elhammody, Guilbert, Chester, Konza, Mings, Hause, Targett, Taylor.
Grealish, McGinn, Phillips?, Hourahane, Bjarnasson, Lansbury
El Ghazi, Trezeguet?, Jota, Green
Wesley, Davis, Kodjia, Hepburn Murphy.
25 players

Who knows, it might end up stronger still the way we're going.
My main concern there is the continued presence of Ange and Barney: both have shown themselves to be peripheral in a Chumpionship squad.

Re lack of Prem experience: Heaton, Mings, Taylor, Targett, Grealish is a decent core.
Plus Terry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
Players like that go last though. There is a rhythm and a pattern to the market. The bigger deals happen, the cash rich spend and then Championship clubs start to pick up loans and smaller fee players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 11, 2019, 12:03:32 PM
It certainly doesn't seem that any club other than us has been particularly busy so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
we also have had a bigger rebuild than most so we needed to,  I am  happy we might have some potential gems on the books 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 11, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
Talk of £9.9m agreed for Trezeguet
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 11, 2019, 12:30:38 PM
I'd hope the squad as is would finish 14th/15th with no major injuries. If the squad ends up like this, i would hope it would finish 2/3 places higher...
Heaton?, Steer, Kalinic
Elhammody, Guilbert, Chester, Konza, Mings, Hause, Targett, Taylor.
Grealish, McGinn, Phillips?, Hourahane, Bjarnasson, Lansbury
El Ghazi, Trezeguet?, Jota, Green
Wesley, Davis, Kodjia, Hepburn Murphy.
25 players

Who knows, it might end up stronger still the way we're going.
My main concern there is the continued presence of Ange and Barney: both have shown themselves to be peripheral in a Chumpionship squad.

Re lack of Prem experience: Heaton, Mings, Taylor, Targett, Grealish is a decent core.
Plus Terry.
Not saying that BB is a world beater by any stretch of the imagination, but was his problem not injuries last year? It wouldn't surprise me if Smith could get a tune out of him, I just don't think he's been given the opportunity yet. Definitely need a starting DM though, regardless.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 11, 2019, 12:32:51 PM
I can guarantee if it all goes horribly wrong, and Smith gets the sack prior to Christmas, the new Manager will want experience premier league players

i think and hope that we are buying the right type of players for our club, I don't want the older players (Cahill / Delph type) who join just to top up their pensions, football is a young mans game.

Smith for me is yet to put a foot wrong in the transfer market and the players he has let leave at the end of last season where all the correct decisions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 12:34:10 PM
Bjarney is ok to have in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2019, 12:34:13 PM
Talk of £9.9m agreed for Trezeguet

Source?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 11, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Talk of £9.9m agreed for Trezeguet

Source?

https://readastonvilla.com/2019/07/11/villa-reportedly-have-9-9-million-bid-accepted-for-winger-trezeguet/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
Yeah I don't think Thor and particularly Lansbury would play much. I think if Phillips / McGinn were out Hourahane would come in and if Grealish were out Jota would play there.
That said, I think if Thor had to play a few games, particularly against the lesser teams I wouldn't be too concerned, he's played in Euro champ finals and a World Cup.
Of course the ideal would be to off Lansbury and get another decent one in there but if it doesn't happen this summer then so be it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2019, 01:02:05 PM
I won’t believe anything now until that Wolf Pack cock tells me his dog heads have signed him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 11, 2019, 01:15:11 PM
I won’t believe anything now until that Wolf Pack cock tells me his dog heads have signed him.

Im hoping he says they have signed jarrod Bowen and Philips in  a double swoop


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 11, 2019, 01:22:28 PM
Was hoping for away shirt for PHILLIPS and keepers shirt for a.n. Other but suppose it’s all going to be quiet now with Purslow joining the team in USA .
A week without signings !?!?😩😢
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Why would he go on the tour?  I suppose it's about building relationships in the land of opportunity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 11, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jul/11/aston-villa-mistakes-fulham-summer-transfer-window-signings
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 11, 2019, 01:27:19 PM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
I had the same conversation last night.
Every single player we have signed so far ( except Targett), plus most of the existing squad, needs to make a massive step up in standard.
Whilst I am delighted with the signings so far, we really need a couple of quality, experienced players.

It pains me to say it but players like Sturridge and (really sorry) Delph could do a job for us.

Is the step up in standard so great? I'm not so sure it is...

Yes, all the usual suspects will be in a different class altogether, but I'm so sure you can say the same with the likes of Sheff Utd, Norwich, Brighton, Southampton. Maybe even the likes of Burnley, Palace and West Ham. All these teams we should at least be holding our own with, if not above come the end of the season.

I believe what we are creating at the moment is the right way to go by purchasing gifted young players that will show no fear of playing in the premier league. So far I have not heard one interview from our new players that you get the feeling that they are just happy to be collecting a bigger pay packet. They all seem to give the impression that the Premier League is there rightful stage to play on.

I truly believe Dean Smith is building something great.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on July 11, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
I keep thinking that we're too reliant on Brentford players, and if they were that good Brentford would have been doing better. However, I had to just remind myself that we've only signed Konza, Jota and Hogan (who seems unlikely to be involved in the EPL squad). This is despite being linked with Henry, Barbet, Benrahma, Sawyers and Maupay off the top of my head. On this basis I'd be happy if Maupay or Benrahma were to come in as well. Going forward, and once we have the pressure of this summer's enormous overhaul out of the way, it would be good to have the recruitment along the lines of Brentford's model, but with young players out on loan to get experience. I notice that Brentford currently have more of their players in England U21/U20/U19 squads than we do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Bjarney is ok to have in the squad.

I agree Bjarney is okay to have as a squad player, but I think Lansbury is a waste of a squad shirt.

Are we buying someone called Kasim Pasa from a club called Trezeguet or a player called Trezeguet from a club called Kasimpasa? ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 11, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
Reims defender Björn Engels in advanced talks according to twit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 11, 2019, 01:41:51 PM
For the name alone i hope it's true
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
unlikely as he's just been signed full time hasn't he? Anyway I can't believe we need another cb unless Konsa is going to play dm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 11, 2019, 01:52:47 PM

I believe what we are creating at the moment is the right way to go by purchasing gifted young players that will show no fear of playing in the premier league.

It is the 'no fear' that will determine if they are a success or not. The Lambert 'young and hungry' were generally overawed by the step up.  Character plays a big part and being able to spot the right amount of confidence, as well as bouncing back from setbacks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
He's a big fucker again, that's for sure.
3 at the back? Chester off? Just hedging their bets? Or just plain bullshit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2019, 01:55:58 PM
I keep thinking that we're too reliant on Brentford players, and if they were that good Brentford would have been doing better. However, I had to just remind myself that we've only signed Konza, Jota and Hogan (who seems unlikely to be involved in the EPL squad). This is despite being linked with Henry, Barbet, Benrahma, Sawyers and Maupay off the top of my head. On this basis I'd be happy if Maupay or Benrahma were to come in as well. Going forward, and once we have the pressure of this summer's enormous overhaul out of the way, it would be good to have the recruitment along the lines of Brentford's model, but with young players out on loan to get experience. I notice that Brentford currently have more of their players in England U21/U20/U19 squads than we do.

It might just be that these Brentford players excel and kick on on a bigger stage. They play football the right way I reckon. All comfortable on the ball, the attackers like to beat a player, and they're brimming with confidence. The more the merrier, I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 11, 2019, 02:12:08 PM
After the dust settled on our Wembley win the squad looked like this with young squad players in brackets; loans returned to their own clubs, our loans coming back to us, transfers already agreed coming in etc

GK;       Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, (Sarkic)
CB;       Chester,
LB;       Taylor,
RB;       Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;       Tshibola,
CM;       McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;       Grealish, Lansbury, Gardner (O’Hare)
AL;   
AR;       (Green)
ATT;     Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players = 17 (+5)

Squad Costs; year-on-year

(promotion wage increases and bonuses = £10m+ p.a.)
(player clear-out saves >£20m on wages, costs >£4m payoffs = net £16m)

Net benefit in this first year = £6m

Transfers In to date;

Jota             £4m (saves us £1m with Gardner going the other way); wages £2m p.a.
Hause       £3m; wages £1.5m p.a.
El Ghazi       £4.5m; wages £2m p.a. (loan fee comes off gross transfer fee)
Wesley      £22m; wages £3m p.a.
Targett       £17m; wages £2m p.a.
Mings      £20m; wages £3m p.a.
Konsa       £12m; wages £1.5m p.a.

Total to date =    fees £82.5m; wages addition £14m p.a.
This is the squad now;

GK;    Steer, Nyland, Kalinic
CB;    Chester, Hause, Mings, Konsa
LB;    Taylor, Targett
RB;    Guilbert, Elmohamady, (Bree)
DM;   Tshibola,
CM;   McGinn, Hourihane, Bjarnason,
AM;   Grealish, Lansbury, Jota, (O’Hare)
AL;    El Ghazi,
AR;   (Green)
ATT;  Wesley, Kodjia, Davis, Hogan, (Hepburn-Murphy)

Players; 23 (+4)

Not a foot wrong so far, in my opinion. 

This is where we are now as the squad are in pre-season training and travel to ‘Murika. At least 5 new first-team players, probably 6, and a significant squad improvement from before. All good. I’m very happy and really impressed so far. Huge sighs of relief all ‘round. Much of the press traffic (and comment posts) concern the keeper position and defensive midfield. The rumours/bullshit/fantasies still revolve around Phillips of Leeds and some combination of Butland or Heaton but let’s look at the sections of the team.

Our midfield was our strength and we’ve retained McGinn and Grealish, no mean feat. We already had some cover there in Hourihane and we already have some options to be assessed in pre-season in Bjarnason, Tshibola, and Lansbury. The path ahead for these guys would seem to be ‘Fit in, step up or ship out’. I’ve never been impressed by the Phillips hoopla; he’s going nowhere and we certainly should not even begin to think of spunking £30m on him. Plenty of other options out there although I do accept that one of our next steps should be to add an all-action, strong tackling, athletic and tactically-astute DM now that a number of other more important areas have been addressed. Who knows, maybe Deano knows where Konsa is best played and has pulled a cat out of the bag and will play him in front of a centreback pairing of some combination of Mings, Hause, Chester or Tuanzebe (coming back on loan for a year WITH a buy-out clause in tow).

Talking of which, the defence has progressed from threadbare to solid with plenty of options. Young, active, skilful ball-players have been added to an experienced couple (even if Chester needs coddling he’s not out of the picture and will play a useful part). Some real defensive grit has been retained from last year, a massive boost to cohesion and confidence, and even if we don’t look to add our favourite loanee before the season gets underway we should be happy with the activity of the backroom staff in this area. Really happy. We all wanted it and it happened.

In terms of ‘keepers I’ve never been worried about starting the season with Steer; he’s earned his position and I have no doubt will be fine in the PL. I agree with most on here that Kalinic should be got rid of for some decent amount (probably not as much as we paid but see what you can do, Suso). Sarkic has gone on a season-long loan already so Nyland would be okay as a backup now he’s back from injury. IF Etheridge were available for £7m then fine but there is no massive benefit to be added for £25m or £30m for Butland and Stoke are looking to cash in and have the player over a barrel. Call their bluff and wait until January to pick him up for £15m if no-one else has stepped in before then. Either way we’re fine for the time being. Let Jed and the others build a strong connection with the defence without more change.

The front line has been strengthened and developed as well. Significant investment in Wesley and Hassan while retaining players from last year in El Ghazi is a smart move. But let’s spend a bit of time here because I’m still wondering if Deano is looking to emulate the Liverpool attacking style more. I guess we’ll see as the pre-season games develop but I think he’s looking to build striking options which are far more ‘3 strikers’ than ‘1 central striker and 2 wingers’. If so then we are short here and it should be our highest priority now.

The centre of any 3 up front is what Wesley does well. Big tick. Hogan isn’t that sort of player so can’t be seeing anything other than a move on his horizon. Davis IS that sort of player and I’d keep him around the first team to act as understudy to Wesley even if he’s not quite there yet. Hepburn-Murphy needs games so should go out on serious loan for the year. Kodjia is a ‘play-off-the-shoulder-of-the-last-defender’ sort trying to get behind the defence; totally the wrong sort to be the prime backup to Wesley. However he might play a part in the backup tactic to 3 strikers which is ‘two up front’.

Kodjia is also no longer fast enough or wily enough to operate as a wide striker in the PL, in my opinion. He might have got away with it in the Championship but he will not be allowed to in the PL. The full backs are far faster and stronger. So his only real value is very limited, I fear. El Ghazi can play on either the right or the left so has great value in this scheme for Deano. Green is not ready for the PL so the question is whether he goes on loan or stays as cover. I’d say loan, for sure. Jota, I’m convinced, has not been bought primarily to operate as a right-sided winger, he proved to be less than useful in the Championship out wide BUT he could be a perfect foil to El Ghazi as part of a front 3, linking and interchanging across the park. Creativity is his strong suit and I can see him doing it in a front 3 IF we can properly cover the defensive duties he will be neglecting while being pushed so far forward and creating as many chances as he scores.

All of which means that for a ‘3 strikers’ formation we have 3 players who fit, Davis as cover but 3 others who are misfits or not ready yet. Nowhere near what we need so this is where the whole Trezeguet/Benrahma/Bowen/Lolley topic fits in. We need one of them in before the season starts. Preferably with one of Hogan/Green/Lansbury going in the other direction either sold or on loan.

I’m still hoping that a Bid for Bale is being discussed now in hushed tones in darkened rooms. That would make my day. Can you imagine Bale at VP? How many shirts would we sell worldwide?

The backup formation could be ‘2 up front’, withdrawing the wide players into a genuine midfield/more defensive positioning 4 across the middle. El Ghazi can do this but Green, Kodjia and Jota cannot. Elmo would need to step into midfield here on the right. BUT what it allows Deano to do is play either Kodjia or Jota or O’Hare off Wesley (or Davis) as the point man. That may be why we keep Kodjia around and is certainly why I’d be looking very hard at O’Hare because I rate him. This could be the season he breaks through.

So the discussion remains ‘Who NEEDS to come in from here?’ From the above points;
Still to come; 4
1 x Flexible, goal-scoring striker, comfortable on either flank in a front 3,
Then 1 from; Defensive midfielder or cheaper ‘Keeper
AND
2 loans like Tuanzebe or some options for the above from the Continent;

Total =      fees £112.5m; wages +£24m p.a.

Players = 25 (+6) or 9 players added net although expect a couple leaving on loan or swap/sale.
I’ll leave others to do the work on Home-grown, Qualified etc for squad declaration purposes. The key point is that a good number of them are not new to the team so adjustments and rebuilding will not be anywhere near as problematic as, for example, Fulham found last season.  The other major reason why this looks nothing like Fulham last year is that the team shape and team style is consistent from Deano and the staff. The genuinely new guys will be looking to fit into that shape not everyone learning a new one from scratch. I’m nowhere near as worried as Sky pundits are about our chances. Breaking News; they’re full of it.

This transfer window is presumably affordable, not risky with FFP, retains as much team cohesion as possible with 3 of the defence plus some attack returning but adds quality, gives a solid platform for the crucial first part of new season, develops attacking style using wide strikers not just wingers, provides cover where we need it (don’t forget Hause can play left back and Guilbert can play centre back, let’s see what Hourihane, Tshibola Bjarnason and Lansbury can do). Allows the options of Kodjia, Jota and O’Hare as second striker if Deano wants.

It’s a decently-sized squad with only meagre backup, no question about that, but it IS one capable of playing attractive football and staying up in this first year barring major injuries. This is not relegation material. The January window could address any deficiencies and secure survival while the 2 loans or frees would provide some cover for the most lean positions.

A squad like that would be good to watch for our first season back and I’d be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2019, 02:17:15 PM
Errr, agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:19:08 PM
Bjarney is ok to have in the squad.

I agree Bjarney is okay to have as a squad player, but I think Lansbury is a waste of a squad shirt.


In what way is Bjarnason OK as a squad player?  He was mostly crap in the Championship and not good enough, so he certainly isn't good enough now. To be a good squad player you have to be able to do a job in the case of injuries and suspensions and Bjarnason just isn't.  Plus he looks a right miserable bastard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 11, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
When you releasing the hardback version?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 11, 2019, 02:21:20 PM
Can someone summarise Allan's post with emojis please? I'm late for a meeting
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
one word - long
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 11, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
Can someone summarise Allan's post with emojis please? I'm late for a meeting

Happy to oblige;

 ;D :o 8) 8) ??? ;D ;) :-\ :-* :-* :-* ;D

All clear now?  :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Lansbury is better than that miserable looking fucker, Bjarnason. But that isn't saying much. Both stealing a living. Sell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 11, 2019, 02:33:23 PM
just took an extended 30 minute lunch to read all that Allan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Lansbury is better than that miserable looking fucker, Bjarnason. But that isn't saying much. Both stealing a living. Sell.


I will kick Lansbury out and you kick Bjarnason out. But I reckon I will come out of it with less cuts and bruises than you. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 11, 2019, 02:34:18 PM
Talk of £9.9m agreed for Trezeguet

Source?
Brown with bacon, red with sausage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 11, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
I do wonder whether our plan A and plan B were largely the same, the main difference being that if we were not promoted it would be funded by selling Grealish (Jota replacement?), and that being promoted enabled us to keep Grealish and maybe attract an additional 2 or 3 better players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2019, 02:59:27 PM
Lansbury is better than that miserable looking fucker, Bjarnason. But that isn't saying much. Both stealing a living. Sell.


I will kick Lansbury out and you kick Bjarnason out. But I reckon I will come out of it with less cuts and bruises than you. ;)

You're probably right, mate. We'll probably both come out covered in tattoos.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 11, 2019, 03:02:36 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 11, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
Lansbury is better than that miserable looking fucker, Bjarnason. But that isn't saying much. Both stealing a living. Sell.


I will kick Lansbury out and you kick Bjarnason out. But I reckon I will come out of it with less cuts and bruises than you. ;)

You're probably right, mate. We'll probably both come out covered in tattoos.

Easier solution you have both try and kick the other out, THEN you both steam in on whoever is left.

My money is on Henri he just needs to invite his famous author aunt Jessica Fletcher to BB's house and he's as good as dead already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 11, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

Centre back. But better on the left.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

Price is £18.48m
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 11, 2019, 03:08:20 PM
Bjarney is ok to have in the squad.


as long as we never have to play him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
I like the feeling of the Engels signing. It has a nice aura. I have never heard of him before but I like the aura.

Get it done I say!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2019, 03:11:04 PM
Surely we don't need another left sided CB?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 03:13:36 PM
Reports out there in the rags that Wolves and Bournemouth are also sniffing around Phillips.

This is the one we really need to get done IMO, as we've no one who can play that position naturally atm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 11, 2019, 03:24:54 PM
What’s Allen’s take on this..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 11, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

A Kapital idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

A Kapital idea.

No, a potential McCormack situation. I hear he has a Highgate*



(* I'm really, really sorry)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on July 11, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
Engels has a team mate called Thomas Foket
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
BM also has Villa linked with Darren Randolph

Not sure that he's any better than the three keepers already in the squad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 11, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
Engels can also play holding midfielder apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 04:21:26 PM
He's a big unit but his injury record isn't great. And why would they sell on having just bought him on a four year deal? This is an odd one. As to Phillips, there's no way Wolves are buying him, they already have better players in that role. As to that Muppet from the Wolf Pack, words fail, they really do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 11, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
Apparently Dean bumped into Robbie Williams at his holiday  hotel recently and they had a long chat about football - Robbie was giving Dean some suggested transfer targets and said he thought Cahill would be good for us again ........Dean smiled and said " that's fine Robbie,but I'm loving Engels instead"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on July 11, 2019, 05:36:29 PM
Apparently Dean bumped into Robbie Williams at his holiday  hotel recently and they had a long chat about football - Robbie was giving Dean some suggested transfer targets and said he thought Cahill would be good for us again ........Dean smiled and said " that's fine Robbie,but I'm loving Engels instead"
Well done, just don't repeat it again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on July 11, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
Callum Robinson going to Sheff Utd... they’ve given up on Maupay perhaps?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2019, 05:51:03 PM
I've never seen anything to convince me that Robinson is anywhere near a Premier League player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Here is an obvious lazy piece of journalism with a twist: the journo actually agrees that we're not doing a Fulham.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jul/11/aston-villa-mistakes-fulham-summer-transfer-window-signings#comment-130970349
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2019, 05:56:19 PM
If Engels signs, I'll get de cartes out and pick him up myself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 11, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
Here is an obvious lazy piece of journalism with a twist: the journo actually agrees that we're not doing a Fulham.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jul/11/aston-villa-mistakes-fulham-summer-transfer-window-signings#comment-130970349


I follow him on Twitter, he's a Villa fan, pretty knowledgeable, article is spot on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

The best Walker Brothers/ABBA covers crossover you never knew you wanted to hear.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 11, 2019, 06:13:13 PM
I've never seen anything to convince me that Robinson is anywhere near a Premier League player.

Me neither but I bet he’s still cost them a fortune so let’s hope we have a sell on clause 🧐🤔🙄
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 11, 2019, 06:51:48 PM
Clickbait suggesting we are in for Ryan Woods if we can’t get Phillips. Funny isn’t it, 2 years ago I would have snapped their hand off but now I’m not sure he’s good enough!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 11, 2019, 07:21:10 PM
Can someone summarise Allan's post with emojis please? I'm late for a meeting

Happy to oblige;

 ;D :o 8) 8) ??? ;D ;) :-\ :-* :-* :-* ;D

All clear now?  :)

Haha, well done

ideal for those with limited attention spans too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 11, 2019, 07:45:24 PM
Can someone summarise Allan's post with emojis please? I'm late for a meeting

Happy to oblige;

 ;D :o 8) 8) ??? ;D ;) :-\ :-* :-* :-* ;D

All clear now?  :)

Haha, well done

ideal for those with limited attention spans too
Can I get it on Kindle?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
For those who care or read into these things - Phillips is currently on the field for Leeds and wearing the captain's armband.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2019, 08:17:02 PM
The positive in me says, great signings we really are building a something good here. The other (smaller) bit is thinking, are we just building a really good Championship squad?

I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about that, too.
I had the same conversation last night.
Every single player we have signed so far ( except Targett), plus most of the existing squad, needs to make a massive step up in standard.
Whilst I am delighted with the signings so far, we really need a couple of quality, experienced players.

It pains me to say it but players like Sturridge and (really sorry) Delph could do a job for us.

It's clear we're building in stages. First season is to stay up (comfortably I hope) and you can do that even if many of your 11 haven't played much in premier league, Burnley and Brighton shown that in last 3 years.

We can still add proven experience with the keeper and defensive midfielder. I'd also like a proven top level striker in as we're very light on cover and to me it's a risk just to rely on Wesley straight away given the hit and miss of strikers signed from Dutch and Belgian leagues down the years.

Going forward and for people expecting us to be competiting for top 4 in 3-4 seasons then we would need to up the stakes and go out and sign the best players from some of our premier league rivals as Man. City did to us a decade ago. That's a long way ahead of course.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nastylee on July 11, 2019, 08:17:14 PM
Delph signed a contract...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2019, 08:23:02 PM
I've never seen anything to convince me that Robinson is anywhere near a Premier League player.

He was having a pretty good season for PNE up to November last year and then did his hamstring which kept him out for four months.

Sheffield United having a similar strategy to us, Wilder likes signing players on the up and with something to prove. They also signed Luke Freeman from QPR who's been a decent player in the championship for couple of years now.

I give them more chance of staying up than Norwich who'll be exposed defensively in premier league imo. And they'll struggle in home games with lack of 15 minutes injury time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2019, 08:51:06 PM
We really need a solid central midfielder in.  Probably two of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 08:57:47 PM
We really need a solid central midfielder in.  Probably two of them.

Yep. And Bjarnason and Angela out the door.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2019, 10:09:56 PM
I wonder if Ipswich might want to spend their Mings windfall on James Bree.   We could throw Nyland in for free?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 11, 2019, 10:26:26 PM
I think they've suffered enough recently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 11, 2019, 11:01:33 PM
I like the look of that Engels. Big lad, scores a few, young. Will complement what we have at CB nicely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2019, 11:03:14 PM
John Percy saying that we ARE defo trying to sign him and Dean tried to sign him for Brentford previously.  He can also play centre mid too apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 11, 2019, 11:36:55 PM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

A Kapital idea.

No, a potential McCormack situation. I hear he has a Highgate*



(* I'm really, really sorry)


I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2019, 11:47:05 PM
Does anybody else feel like they want a real statement signing or am I just being greedy? Someone that people can really get excited about, a well known talent. A player that makes the rest of the league stand up and say "wow, Villa have got a top player there". Someone who the fans rush to the club shop to get printed on their shirts.

I'd love it if we had a signing like that before the window shuts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2019, 11:56:39 PM
I’m actually glad it’s gone this way. We need to build methodically in areas of need and not get too ahead of ourselves. If we can do that well ahead of the deadline then it would be great to have one more special addition. But realistically I would sooner make sure we have the required depth to finish mid table and then build from there. If all goes to plan next summer I would hope we can make the step up in the types of player we go after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 12, 2019, 12:22:58 AM
Like the sound of Engels - a working class hero in the making.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 12, 2019, 12:42:30 AM
My transfer wish is a hard bastard Defensive Midfielder with the height to protect the defence.

A Gattuso Kompany hybrid.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2019, 12:50:07 AM
Who or what is Bjorn Engels? Centre back apparently. Hope he Marx his opponent well.

Price is £18.48m

*Applause*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2019, 05:25:35 AM
I think there'll be one more big signing

But happy we are getting the defenders in now to focus on shape etc

I think press are under estimating the volume of signings. I expect 2 more midfielders, 1 and possibly 2 wingers and 1 more striker

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2019, 07:09:25 AM
Ryan Woods at the price Stoke payed for him would be a very good addition to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 12, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
The Belgian Journalist who broke the Wesley news has also confirmed we are in talks that are well progressed for Engels so this seems legitimate. As well as Percy confirming it too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 12, 2019, 07:22:03 AM
Ryan Woods at the price Stoke payed for him would be a very good addition to the squad.

Had we not got promoted, I’d definitely agree. I just think we need better now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Yeltzer on July 12, 2019, 07:36:39 AM
John Percy reporting we’re close to signing Douglas Luiz from Man City

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/12/aston-villa-poised-complete-15m-signing-douglas-luiz-manchester/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on July 12, 2019, 07:41:45 AM
Who?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 07:50:45 AM
The Brazil u-23 captain defensive midfielder liked by Pep who beat Barca? Well it sounds better than Whelan and Jedi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 08:04:35 AM
Based purely on the following facts;

He's Brazlian
He's their u23 skipper
Pep likes him
His name is Douglas

I say this sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 08:05:47 AM
Don’t like the bit about Citeh putting in a buy-back clause though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
Great ‘big picture’ thinking by the club.
Another Brazilian at the club increases the chances of both him and Wesley settling in better.
Happy players = goals & wins.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 08:07:53 AM
Don’t like the bit about Citeh putting in a buy-back clause though.

It's what it has to be I guess. We could well end up making much less profit on him than we'd have liked, but if he helps us stay in the division then that's a bigger profit-booster than any fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on July 12, 2019, 08:12:52 AM
Or dependant on the clause they effectively pay us to loan him for 2-3 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 12, 2019, 08:13:00 AM
Pep really rates him. He’s had major work permit issues and been on loan at Girona for past couple of seasons, who got relegated last year. He’s probably not quite up to speed yet to be our first choice defensive mid but seems to have big potential - captains u23, won the Toulon tournament and was named player of the tournament. I think it’s this that is giving people a bit of hope he’ll get a work permit this year.
£15m seems a lot for a squad player as I’m not sure we can rest our hopes on him yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
Don’t like the bit about Citeh putting in a buy-back clause though.

Double edged sword. If they activate it, then it's only because one of our players is good enough to play for one of the best footballing sides of the last 30 years. Plus they'll give us £50m for the pleasure or something saft like that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 08:19:46 AM
Don’t like the bit about Citeh putting in a buy-back clause though.

Double edged sword. If they activate it, then it's only because one of our players is good enough to play for one of the best footballing sides of the last 30 years. Plus they'll give us £50m for the pleasure or something saft like that.

The clause could state £15m for all we know, doesn’t mean we would be able to make a profit. As others have said, that may be the real price to the deal. If he does go on to be a star, I’m sure people will say we should never have agreed to the clause but we may not have a choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 08:27:24 AM
Don’t like the bit about Citeh putting in a buy-back clause though.

Double edged sword. If they activate it, then it's only because one of our players is good enough to play for one of the best footballing sides of the last 30 years. Plus they'll give us £50m for the pleasure or something saft like that.

The clause could state £15m for all we know, doesn’t mean we would be able to make a profit. As others have said, that may be the real price to the deal. If he does go on to be a star, I’m sure people will say we should never have agreed to the clause but we may not have a choice.

If it's as low as a no-profit-made sort of fee (which I think is unlikely, but if) then it's no worse than a loan deal for an excellent player - excellent because, as Ads points out, if City exercise the clause then he'll have turned out super well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2019, 08:28:10 AM
We are signing Doug?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: phantom limb on July 12, 2019, 08:33:50 AM
This is hilarious. I expected us to spend a bit of cash but this is far beyond what I’d hoped for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 08:34:30 AM
Buy back.....they could buy him back and then sell him on for profit, even if they don’t want him, Could they? I guess he will have the final say if he doesn’t want to go back?

Don’t like the sound of that at all.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 08:34:42 AM
This is hilarious. I expected us to spend a bit of cash but this is far beyond what I’d hoped for.

My thoughts exactly. I'm enjoying this 😎👍
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 08:35:26 AM
John Percy reporting we’re close to signing Douglas Luiz from Man City

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/12/aston-villa-poised-complete-15m-signing-douglas-luiz-manchester/
Well, I'd say - 'kin bring it on!!
This would be a fantasitc signingand - along with Engels as cover for CB or DMF - would make our squad very credible
Just need another striker and Trezeguet.

This is getting to be better than the summer of 1991.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 08:36:33 AM
Interesting signing......
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 12, 2019, 08:39:19 AM
A word on continuity or squads adjusting to change from one season to another.

Team lineups change every year, often twice a year now in line with transfer windows. Everyone expects it. Because players are human there is an adjustment process involved but good club coaches and managements factor this adjustment process into their training and team management work. They have to, it’s a matter of life and death to them being a results-oriented business; the quicker and more completely they help players through the adjustment process in a new country or with a new language or into a new place of work and into a new style and system of playing, the better for all concerned.

In our case this Summer we had a special problem; a surprise promotion was achieved by a team which included 4 or sometimes 5 loan-players coming together for an extraordinary run of form. So the Summer rebuild had to begin by replacing Mings, El Ghazi, Hause and Abraham because they were not ‘our’ players. Cleverly we replaced them with Mings, El Ghazi and Hause before adding Wesley. They almost literally cleared their lockers out, went on holiday and came back to work a few weeks later where they left off. Not a lot of adjusting to go on here apart from time spent looking at their newly-enlarged bank accounts.

Because we had taken the opportunity to clear the stables out (of some loyal and worthy horses and a couple of old nags) we also needed to add some squad depth to face a step up in league. So far we’ve added a further 3 players in Jota, Konsa and Targett although Luiz looks to be incoming as well. Of these guys half of them have played under Deano in the recent past and know him, his requirements and his style (and presumably like it) so you’d expect them to know pretty much what is expected of them and only have to adapt to the surrounding not so much to the actual work involved. They can be as confident as possible in their move because they will be playing in the same country under a manager they already know and respect. Okay you have to get used to the different colour scheme and some new staff but not a huge adjustment to make, I think.

Which only really leaves a thorough integration process to be needed for those coming from abroad; 3 guys if we include Luiz (Wesley and Guilbert). Not such a difficult job to handle for a big club like ours especially if they all speak English already and are young, ambitious and looking to make a real mark.

I have no trouble believing that the adaptation process is a hard necessity but equally have no worries that the deeply human and sympathetic person that Deano is will already have planned to address this challenge and make a success of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Work permit required?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 08:40:58 AM
A word on continuity or squads adjusting to change from one season to another.

Team lineups change every year, often twice a year now in line with transfer windows. Everyone expects it. Because players are human there is an adjustment process involved but good club coaches and managements factor this adjustment process into their training and team management work. They have to, it’s a matter of life and death to them being a results-oriented business; the quicker and more completely they help players through the adjustment process in a new country or with a new language or into a new place of work and into a new style and system of playing, the better for all concerned.

In our case this Summer we had a special problem; a surprise promotion was achieved by a team which included 4 or sometimes 5 loan-players coming together for an extraordinary run of form. So the Summer rebuild had to begin by replacing Mings, El Ghazi, Hause and Abraham because they were not ‘our’ players. Cleverly we replaced them with Mings, El Ghazi and Hause before adding Wesley. They almost literally cleared their lockers out, went on holiday and came back to work a few weeks later where they left off. Not a lot of adjusting to go on here apart from time spent looking at their newly-enlarged bank accounts.

Because we had taken the opportunity to clear the stables out (of some loyal and worthy horses and a couple of old nags) we also needed to add some squad depth to face a step up in league. So far we’ve added a further 3 players in Jota, Konsa and Targett although Luiz looks to be incoming as well. Of these guys half of them have played under Deano in the recent past and know him, his requirements and his style (and presumably like it) so you’d expect them to know pretty much what is expected of them and only have to adapt to the surrounding not so much to the actual work involved. They can be as confident as possible in their move because they will be playing in the same country under a manager they already know and respect. Okay you have to get used to the different colour scheme and some new staff but not a huge adjustment to make, I think.

Which only really leaves a thorough integration process to be needed for those coming from abroad; 3 guys if we include Luiz (Wesley and Guilbert). Not such a difficult job to handle for a big club like ours especially if they all speak English already and are young, ambitious and looking to make a real mark.

I have no trouble believing that the adaptation process is a hard necessity but equally have no worries that the deeply human and sympathetic person that Deano is will already have planned to address this challenge and make a success of it.


Is this the Reader's Digest version?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 08:43:26 AM
A word!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 08:44:31 AM
https://twitter.com/elevensports_uk/status/1097907958078414848?s=21

A review of Doug in action
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 12, 2019, 08:44:52 AM
Surely a "buy-back clause only means that they have first option, IF we decide to sell, and must at least match any other offers?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Buy back Man city example, doesn’t look like they are overly generous, apparently PSV wanted 20 mil from other clubs

“Man City re-sign left-back Angelino from PSV after activating £5.3m buy-back clause“
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 08:50:11 AM
Yeah as soon as I saw buy back I assumed a figure way below likely market rate otherwise what’s the point?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Breezeblock on July 12, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
This is hilarious. I expected us to spend a bit of cash but this is far beyond what I’d hoped for.

My thoughts exactly. I'm enjoying this 😎👍
I have to admit I am ambivalent. Yes, these are interesting and exciting times to be a Villa fan but I have to admit to a certain amount of "ring twitch" at the money we are spending. Maybe it's my innate brummie miseryarsedness and I am highly confident that Smith is not Harry "Meltyface" Redknapp but I would hate for us to "do a Portsmouth"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
This is hilarious. I expected us to spend a bit of cash but this is far beyond what I’d hoped for.

My thoughts exactly. I'm enjoying this 😎👍
I have to admit I am ambivalent. Yes, these are interesting and exciting times to be a Villa fan but I have to admit to a certain amount of "ring twitch" at the money we are spending. Maybe it's my innate brummie miseryarsedness and I am highly confident that Smith is not Harry "Meltyface" Redknapp but I would hate for us to "do a Portsmouth"

No, I feel the same. Some of these acquisitions could really go either way... have to trust Dean knows what he's doing, he's given us no reason to doubt in the past, but we are buying a lot of inexperienced players at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
Apparently he didn’t have enough points for a work permit. But by transferring him he gains the required points. I must assume the buy back is going to be circa £17.5 mil and if he’s good he goes back next summer. Oh well let’s hope he does his bit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
Apparently he didn’t have enough points for a work permit. But by transferring him he gains the required points. I must assume the buy back is going to be circa £17.5 mil and if he’s good he goes back next summer. Oh well let’s hope he does his bit.

So it's a loan then ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 08:56:50 AM
I would not have thought a buy back clause means citeh can just come in a buy him if he plays well for us.
I would imagine they get the ability to buy him back at an agreed price should villa decide they want to sell, and of course if the player wants to move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
We're pinning a lot of hope on these type of signings hitting the ground running when there's not much PL experience in any of them. I just hope it doesn't take six months for them to gel when we're already mired in the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2019, 08:59:58 AM
Hang on we pay £15m for someone, develop them, and then they get to buy him back for peanuts?  Citeh do my head in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2019, 09:00:23 AM
The buy back clause could be anything, such as, hands off for at least three seasons.  Let’s get him signed up before we sell him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
I would not have thought a buy back clause means citeh can just come in a buy him if he plays well for us.
I would imagine they get the ability to buy him back at an agreed price should villa decide they want to sell, and of course if the player wants to move.

An explanation from another site on how the process works:

"For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.

This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes.  The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed.

No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless."


So Villa have to give City first option and if City want him back they pay the pre-arranged price. The player doesn't get to turn it down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 12, 2019, 09:06:39 AM
Buy back.....they could buy him back and then sell him on for profit, even if they don’t want him, Could they? I guess he will have the final say if he doesn’t want to go back?

Don’t like the sound of that at all.



Yep, City are quite clever with stuff like this. They made a huge profit on Aaron Mooy without him ever playing for them. Bought him from Australia for £1m ish, loaned him to Huddersfield and then sold him for £15m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.
I’m sure the club (us) are now canny enough to make sure we are not going to shafted at some point in the future.
There is no  point us making a mountain out of a theoretical molehill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 12, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
isn't this just a loan in all but name?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.
I’m sure the club (us) are now canny enough to make sure we are not going to shafted at some point in the future.
There is no  point us making a mountain out of a theoretical molehill.

Don't think anyone's doing that. People are just seeking clarity on the nature of the deal, which is completely valid. Hopefully it works out either way in Villa's favour.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 12, 2019, 09:19:17 AM
Guillem Balagué seems to rate him so that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Breezeblock on July 12, 2019, 09:22:15 AM
isn't this just a loan in all but name?
I understood it as a "first refusal" arrangement. i.e. we offer him to Citeh at our asking price and they either buy or dont. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 09:23:35 AM
Look at this random tweet that someone put out yesterday, BEFORE the Engles and Luis names appeared.

https://twitter.com/ben79944133/status/1149588757722517505?s=21
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 09:26:09 AM
Look at this random tweet that someone put out yesterday, BEFORE the Engles and Luis names appeared.

https://twitter.com/ben79944133/status/1149588757722517505?s=21

Please god let it be true. Would be a tidy window indeed if we can wrap those up, particularly Heaton and Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
It was posted and then taken down pdq.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 12, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
He'd have to be the absolute dogs to get into that Man City midfield. e.g. Delph only gets games at LB.

The talk of a buyback clause just gives me hope he's good. Honestly if we stay up and then he goes back for exactly the same amount, he's helped make the club £100 million anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 12, 2019, 09:28:05 AM
I’m getting the feeling that this is plan B DM option after the Phillips negotiation. It’s a key position and we need someone substantial there. This was our weakest area in the Championship, so we have to bolster it. Needs must, if it’s a glorified loan so be it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 12, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.

My guess would be first refusal if we want/need to cash in.
If they could activate it any time it might as well be a loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 09:37:36 AM
Twitter now saying we have enquired about Sessegnon !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Deal agreed for Engels according to Sky.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 12, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
Twitter now saying we have enquired about Sessegnon !

Was just about to post that, too.
My lad's just glued to twitter at the moment 😁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 09:44:15 AM
Spend ALL THE MONIES!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
#announcemessi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 09:47:59 AM
Twitter now saying we have enquired about Sessegnon !

I think he  is going to Spurzzzz
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 12, 2019, 09:48:19 AM
#announcemessi

Is he really an upgrade on what we have?  A 30+ year old with no PL experience looking for one last pay day?

No thanks...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 09:50:02 AM
#announcemessi

Is he really an upgrade on what we have?  A 30+ year old with no PL experience looking for one last pay day?

No thanks...


I would love to see him in the premiership even now
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 12, 2019, 09:57:14 AM

This Man City Fan TV video was published on 19 Feb 2019 after Girona's win against Real Madrid. A game where Douglas Luiz played.



Interesting video as he is still developing that why the fee is £15m not £50m 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 12, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
Yeah as soon as I saw buy back I assumed a figure way below likely market rate otherwise what’s the point?

But how can anyone possibly have better than a vague stab at what future likely market value will be these days? Compare what we're now involved in with where prices were when we left it. I've given up guessing, I'm enjoying being along for the ride.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 10:00:25 AM
This has been a mental transfer window for us so far and there's clearly still more to come. Doubt we'll see its like again for a long time folks!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 10:02:28 AM
This has been a mental transfer window for us so far and there's clearly still more to come. Doubt we'll see its like again for a long time folks!


I am hoping the next window we will be more established and wont need this amount of signings
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
This time last year we were facing a bloody winding up order !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 10:06:20 AM
This time last year we were facing a bloody winding up order !!

It's a mad world!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
This time last year we were facing a bloody winding up order !!


it is mad isn't it , proves you should never give up on things or be too despondent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
We're pinning a lot of hope on these type of signings hitting the ground running when there's not much PL experience in any of them. I just hope it doesn't take six months for them to gel when we're already mired in the relegation zone.
It really doesn't matter, because we were always going to have to bring in new players. The question is whether bringing in Prem-hardened players would have been easier to integrate. In my experience of team-building, I'd say not. The critical elements are (i) whether the players coming in 'buy' the Smith / Villa mission; (ii) whether they are natural integrators or soloists; (iii) whether they are here to enhance their career or just take the money.
For all these reasons, I'm feeling relaxed about the process so far because I think  - on these three criteria - all are scoring highly.

Which is not to under-estimate the job Smith has.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
Twitter now saying we have enquired about Sessegnon !

Now that's just someone taking the piss.

Why hasn't he gone to Spuds already ? Is Levy being an arse again with a stupid lowball offer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on July 12, 2019, 10:11:19 AM
Quote

BBC Sport
‏Verified account @BBCSport
4m4 minutes ago

⚠ DONE DEAL! ⚠

Aston Villa have agreed a £15m deal with Manchester City for Brazil Under-23 captain Douglas Luiz.

Full story ➡ https://bbc.in/2Jv1CQf  #avfc #MCFC #ManCity #bbcfootball
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 10:11:48 AM
So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.
No, that would be a loan.
He remains a Villa player for the term of his contract unless we choose to sell him or he agitates for a move. In either case, Citeh get first-dibs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 10:14:35 AM
This transfer window is on acid
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 10:21:53 AM
Engels fee now reported as £7m.
That’s bloody good business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2019, 10:22:48 AM
We're pinning a lot of hope on these type of signings hitting the ground running when there's not much PL experience in any of them. I just hope it doesn't take six months for them to gel when we're already mired in the relegation zone.
It really doesn't matter, because we were always going to have to bring in new players. The question is whether bringing in Prem-hardened players would have been easier to integrate. In my experience of team-building, I'd say not. The critical elements are (i) whether the players coming in 'buy' the Smith / Villa mission; (ii) whether they are natural integrators or soloists; (iii) whether they are here to enhance their career or just take the money.
For all these reasons, I'm feeling relaxed about the process so far because I think  - on these three criteria - all are scoring highly.

Which is not to under-estimate the job Smith has.

But we will have an element of surprise as nobody will have a clue about us, even us!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 10:23:39 AM
Sky reporting Douglas Luiz is close and Engels is a done deal

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11761540/douglas-luiz-aston-villa-close-to-deal-for-manchester-city-midfielder
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
Brazilians are like buses, you don’t see one for years (or ever in our case) and then two come along at once!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Brazilians are like buses, you don’t see one for years (or ever in our case) and then two come along at once!

Squad numbers ......11A and 11C ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Brazilians are like buses, you don’t see one for years (or ever in our case) and then two come along at once!
Brazilians: tidy, well-kept and faciltates a clean strike!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2019, 10:30:10 AM
Some interesting signings. Coaching staff have a massive job to integrate them all into an efficient team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Some interesting signings. Coaching staff have a massive job to integrate them all into an efficient team.
Considering what they did with Bruce’s squad I have no concerns on that front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
Heaton, Engels, Douglas, Phillips, Trezeguet, Maupay and the Brentford winger and I’ll be happy.

Greedy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Reuben on July 12, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
Brazilians are like buses, you don’t see one for years (or ever in our case) and then two come along at once!

Squad numbers ......11A and 11C ?
There was also the occasional 11E if we sign a third.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 12, 2019, 10:37:32 AM
This transfer window is Aston Villa in a parallell universe.

These owners are showing some real ambition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JD on July 12, 2019, 10:41:23 AM
It's all quite mental. Players just signing without any warning.
Looks like we have an a, b and c list. If a club asks too much for a player (greedy c*%ts) we already have someone else lined up. It's quite brilliant (and exhausting), but I love it.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2019, 10:42:54 AM
Heaton, Engels, Douglas, Phillips, Trezeguet, Maupay and the Brentford winger and I’ll be happy.

Greedy?

nah

add Bowen and maybe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 10:43:25 AM
https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09 (https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09)

Ringing endorsement about Luiz from Guillem Balague.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 10:52:22 AM
https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09 (https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09)

Ringing endorsement about Luiz from Guillem Balague.

Fuck me, if he's that good we might have to enjoy it while it lasts, don't think he'd stick around with us for very long.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 10:52:34 AM
It's alright doing it in the Bernabeu, but can he do it on a cold Friday night at Turf Moor?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 10:53:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09 (https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09)

Ringing endorsement about Luiz from Guillem Balague.

Fuck me, if he's that good we might have to enjoy it while it lasts, don't think he'd stick around with us for very long.


ha yes January then
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JD on July 12, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09 (https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_UK/status/1149602970067062785?s=09)

Ringing endorsement about Luiz from Guillem Balague.

Fuck me, if he's that good we might have to enjoy it while it lasts, don't think he'd stick around with us for very long.

Bollocks, he will stick around playing Champions League football in two-three years at Villa (fingers crossed).   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
I wonder if this is what it felt like for Chelsea and Man City fans when Abramovitch and Mansour first rocked up?

Looking forward to being known as “Big-spending Aston Villa” from now on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
“Pep wanted to keep him at City.”
“Tite wants him to be Brazil’s number 4.”
“Given the opportunity, he’ll be one of the best midfielders in Europe.”
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 12, 2019, 10:59:32 AM
A$ton Vi££a.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
A$ton Vi££a.

In an ideal world, football wouldn't be like this.

However, this is the Premier League in 2019, so feck it all and let's be the next Man City
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 11:03:17 AM
A$ton Vi££a.

Yes 😂💷💷💷
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 12, 2019, 11:03:43 AM
 
Heaton, Engels, Douglas, Phillips, Trezeguet, Maupay and the Brentford winger and I’ll be happy.

Greedy?

nah Revoke A50 and all those would be greedy

 ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 11:05:06 AM
Terms of the deal are a bit of a niggler but my biggest wish for the summer was a marquee signing of genuine class at DM and he seems to be it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 11:08:57 AM
Terms of the deal are a bit of a niggler but my biggest wish for the summer was a marquee signing of genuine class at DM and he seems to be it.

Hmm, is that fair to say though? I doubt if any of us (barring one or two avid La Liga watchers maybe) have ever seen him play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2019, 11:11:25 AM
It’s only a few short clips from one match but blimey, he looks like exactly what we need.

Did he say Man City paid €30m for him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 11:13:41 AM
I'd like Mauro Icardi from Inter. Make it happen Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 12, 2019, 11:17:42 AM
Guillem Balagué reckons he could potentially be one of the best midfielders in Europe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
I'd like Mauro Icardi from Inter. Make it happen Villa.

I like him, but with him and John Terry around would any of our players feel safe allowing their wives anywhere near Villa Park?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 12, 2019, 11:19:29 AM
most interesting season i can ever remember coming up and I’ve been watching the Villa for near on 50 years
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2019, 11:20:00 AM
I'd heard of him in a "one of the best young players in Brazil" way but never seen him.  Looking about he's been presented as the sort of player that was going to bounce around at the likes of Man City, Barca, etc. If this one happens it's a massive signing. Watching the footage on youtube (which wil lclearly be highlights) he seems to, like Jack, have all the time in the world to decide what to do next. I've said a few times but for me that's the best sign of a truly special player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 12, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
Interesting times.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on July 12, 2019, 11:25:30 AM
This spending spree shows how important were the appointment of Smith and the Play off win .Statutes of a Cabbage and Whelan's penalty miss should be erected.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
This spending spree shows how important were the appointment of Smith and the Play off win .Statutes of a Cabbage and Whelan's penalty miss should be erected.

God bless Glenn Whelan. That is all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 11:28:44 AM
I'd like Mauro Icardi from Inter. Make it happen Villa.

I like him, but with him and John Terry around would any of our players feel safe allowing their wives anywhere near Villa Park?

It's a risk I'm willing to take!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 11:34:36 AM
Engels fee agreed according to talksport.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 11:37:53 AM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 11:40:51 AM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?
Uh, I don't know how much the Engels deal is but I think it was about £83 odd before him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2019, 11:54:10 AM
I genuinely cannot keep track of all this activity!  We're going crazy!

When the Spurs game comes round I'll probably only recognise about 4 of the starting 11!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 12, 2019, 11:55:44 AM
It's sinking in now, these guys are no Lerner with a few bob, they are deadly serious with a plan and very deep pockets...it's going to be a hell of a ride.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 11:57:51 AM
I don't think these guys are going to be content with mere first season survival. I don't think they'll be talking a good game like previous owners have but will just quietly about getting the job done and push to see what we can do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
Guillem Balagué reckons he could potentially be one of the best midfielders in Europe

I heard him say the same about some bloke Southampton picked up to be their manager from Espanyol. So these days, I happen to take his opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 12:03:18 PM
In fairness, I'm sure analysts have calculated a projected sell-on profit for all new recruits, plus the money gained by another season in the PL, and Edens and Sawiris have both said "Fine. Spend."

Which isn't exactly the Lerner approach of "Martin assures me that if we spend 80m we will get to the Champion's League and potentially win a cup."

There are still risk factors, but I'd wager there's mitigation for every single one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:10:32 PM
I genuinely cannot keep track of all this activity!  We're going crazy!

When the Spurs game comes round I'll probably only recognise about 4 of the starting 11!
This window's been great, buzzing for the start.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2019, 12:12:17 PM
Apparently we've enquired about Ryan Sessengnon as well. I was only thinking yesterday that he could be a good shout. Massive 2 fingers up to them ****** down at Fulham as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
It's sinking in now, these guys are no Lerner with a few bob, they are deadly serious with a plan and very deep pockets...it's going to be a hell of a ride.

This post makes me smirk  8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 12, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
We've had a bid for Heaton turned down according to Sky.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
Suggestions of an €11m bid being accepted for the Trezuguet fella.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:33:28 PM
Mahmoud Ahmed Ibrahim Hassan ( Trezeguet ) - fee agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on July 12, 2019, 12:35:34 PM
Mahmoud Ahmed Ibrahim Hassan ( Trezeguet ) - fee agreed.

Phew!  Thought we were never going to sign anyone - it must be at least 45 minutes since we bought a player!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
Are we having a manic episode?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2019, 12:39:02 PM
This is mine. And this is mine. This is mine. And this is mine.

SPEND THAT CHEDDAR!

(Insert appropriate gif here)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 12:39:45 PM
This is getting ludicrous and i'm loving it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
My kids show more restraint in a sweetshop!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 12, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
A$ton Vi££a.
That would look great as a Mail headline!
 
Exciting, isn't it? Hope we'll be patient during the inevitable sticky patch during the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2019, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold link=topic=59740.msg3616103#msg3616103 UIdate=1562929937
Apparently we've enquired about Ryan Sessengnon as well. I was only thinking yesterday that he could be a good shout. Massive 2 fingers up to them c***s down at Fulham as well.

What have Fulham London ever done to us, apart from beat us a lot?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on July 12, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
A$ton Vi££a.
That would look great as a Mail headline!
 
Exciting, isn't it? Hope we'll be patient during the inevitable sticky patch during the season.


Cashton Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 12:47:06 PM
Does the transfer window close tomorrow or something?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 12, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
I think Smith wants the squad together for a full pre season so I'm not surprised we are going mad with the signings but I am really surprised about luis! Unreal signing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Love going on twitter and seeing fans of other clubs almost drooling.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 12:50:56 PM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?

£93.1 million before any signings today. Only Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have spent more (nett) and we will likely go ahead of Dortmund fairly soon.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/einnahmenausgaben
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 12:52:48 PM
I know i'm repeating myself again, but they way these targets have been bought in without hardly any speculation is a credit to the club and the staff, seems real classy to me. I'm sure there will be a couple more surprises before the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on July 12, 2019, 12:53:19 PM
Our owners and Deano are doing exactly what they said they would. Come what may, I cannot fault them. I much prefer the type of player we are bringing in than whatever has come before-maybe all the way back to Saunders days.
Yes it might backfire but look at the business sense of the buys. I now believe we are back to saying we will only increase the value of our players even if they fail to excel. No more superannuated also-rans or obscure kids. I would be fine even if Dean signs one or two of these now as we have kept the heart of a settled squad and club, despite the big changes in the close season.
I am definitely up for this adventure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:53:42 PM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?

£93.1 million before any signings today. Only Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have spent more (nett) and we will likely go ahead of Dortmund fairly soon.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/einnahmenausgaben
That's in euros. Same site has it down to £83 million in pounds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 12, 2019, 12:54:18 PM
So the defence is done, right? We have 9 defenders in total, 5 CBs, 2 LBs and 2 RBs.

Keeper, another midfield player, 1/2 wingers and a centre forward left?

Heaton, and Trezeguet looking likely?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
Feels very Chelsea/ City like to a degree when they first started to spend some of their rich owners cash.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 12, 2019, 12:55:28 PM
I had assumed with everyone important either en route to the US, or recently arrived in the US, that transfer activity would be a bit quieter until next week. Then I log on to see we've agreed fees for a Brazilian midfielder, french defender and Egyptian winger. Plus an offer gone in for Heaton.

Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 12:56:58 PM
Feels very Chelsea/ City like to a degree when they first started to spend some of their rich owners cash.

More like City these days I think. Just because we're spending doesn't mean we're letting ourselves get taken to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:00:03 PM
We are signing Doug?

The question is who is better at overhead kicks? This guy or the bloke who invented them?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 12, 2019, 01:01:25 PM
Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?

This!
Except we've downloaded the database editor and have spent hours trawling through the hidden gems!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?

This!
Except we've downloaded the database editor and have spent hours trawling through the hidden gems!

Bids in for Niclas Alexanderson and Tonton Zola Moukoko, Millwall holding out for £1m for Cherno Samba.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 12, 2019, 01:11:30 PM
Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?

This!
Except we've downloaded the database editor and have spent hours trawling through the hidden gems!

Bids in for Niclas Alexanderson and Tonton Zola Moukoko, Millwall holding out for £1m for Cherno Samba.

Is Kallstrom still playing?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
Sebastian Corchia to compete with Guilbert.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Whoosh! Wow - will we get another striker or is that too much to ask? I'm a little concerned about the lack of Premier League experience, but I'm not going to let that dampen what is probably our most historic signing window ever!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 01:16:22 PM
Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?

This!
Except we've downloaded the database editor and have spent hours trawling through the hidden gems!

Bids in for Niclas Alexanderson and Tonton Zola Moukoko, Millwall holding out for £1m for Cherno Samba.

Is Kallstrom still playing?
Yeah Samba, Kallstrom and Kennedy Bakircioglü are the ones I remember from Champ Manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
We are signing Doug?

The question is who is better at overhead kicks? This guy or the bloke who invented them?

You know what I wish the old bugger had have lived to see the last few weeks happenings at Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 12, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Ahh...it was Mark Kerr who I always remember.  Destined to be a superstar, always sold for £1.1 million the week or so after the game started and h was impossible to get!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
In one version my first signing was always zlatan direct from Malmo.

Later i found a colombian called Carlos jacques who wax a great winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 12, 2019, 01:27:50 PM
In one version my first signing was always zlatan direct from Malmo.

Later i found a colombian called Carlos jacques who wax a great winger.

A Columbian wax. Good for the beach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2019, 01:28:23 PM
In one version my first signing was always zlatan direct from Malmo.

Later i found a colombian called Carlos jacques who wax a great winger.

Yeah, he was the bee's knee's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:28:34 PM
Just out of curiosity how are our nose and dog head cousins doing this morning? It has to be suicide watch over there down at the sty
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2019, 01:30:51 PM
Just out of curiosity how are our nose and dog head cousins doing this morning? It has to be suicide watch over there down at the sty

Dunno but is there trouble at the dingles? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48944011?ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=sport
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 01:35:05 PM
Just out of curiosity how are our nose and dog head cousins doing this morning? It has to be suicide watch over there down at the sty

I think the knuckle scrapers at SHA have admitted defeat.  There hasn't been a 'Vile' thread started for a few days now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
Just out of curiosity how are our nose and dog head cousins doing this morning? It has to be suicide watch over there down at the sty

I think the knuckle scrapers at SHA have admitted defeat.  There hasn't been a 'Vile' thread started for a few days now.

Probably in rapture.as the Hinduja Brothers taking over soon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 01:46:13 PM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?

£93.1 million before any signings today. Only Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have spent more (nett) and we will likely go ahead of Dortmund fairly soon.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/einnahmenausgaben
That's in euros. Same site has it down to £83 million in pounds.

Oophs!

Still, being the second biggest spending club in the world is still quite exciting!

Just a bit annoying that we couldn't pip Real to the Hazard signing and be top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2019, 02:06:52 PM
Yep just heard. How much have we spent now assuming these deals go through? £120m?

£93.1 million before any signings today. Only Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have spent more (nett) and we will likely go ahead of Dortmund fairly soon.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/einnahmenausgaben
That's in euros. Same site has it down to £83 million in pounds.

Oophs!

Still, being the second biggest spending club in the world is still quite exciting!

Just a bit annoying that we couldn't pip Real to the Hazard signing and be top.

Agreed, would've been decent cover for Jack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Colhint on July 12, 2019, 02:07:15 PM
I think we need our own Percy involved now. So many new players. Perce is well into his music, so I suggest he hires a studio get his pals involved to produce an album of new songs for all these players. And he's only got a month to do it. I suggest he calls it

Now that's what I call a transfer window vol 1
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
Would love it if we nicked Sessegnon from under Levy’s nose. That would be the icing on the cake
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 02:34:36 PM
Looks like we just missed out on Griezmann.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 02:37:40 PM
Hasn't had a mention with so much going on but we've been linked with a young Coventry player too. I wonder whether we would sign that type of player with a view to loaning them out to further their development with the view that they'll be worth a lot more and may be one for the future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 02:43:04 PM
Like the sound of Engels - a working class hero in the making.


I used to love Robbie Williams.

Now I'm loving Engels instead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
Looks like we just missed out on Griezmann.

It's OK, Neymar is still available
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
This is hilarious. I expected us to spend a bit of cash but this is far beyond what I’d hoped for.

My thoughts exactly. I'm enjoying this 😎👍
I have to admit I am ambivalent. Yes, these are interesting and exciting times to be a Villa fan but I have to admit to a certain amount of "ring twitch" at the money we are spending. Maybe it's my innate brummie miseryarsedness and I am highly confident that Smith is not Harry "Meltyface" Redknapp but I would hate for us to "do a Portsmouth"


Redknapp didn't bankrupt Spurs when he got them into the Champions League because they could afford the transfer fees and wages he and Levy were paying. The problem at Portsmouth, QPR and Small Heath was he was splashing out amounts of money the clubs couldn't afford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
This time last year we were facing a bloody winding up order !!


it is mad isn't it , proves you should never give up on things or be too despondent


Typical jammy Vilers innit? Always come up spelling of roses.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
This time last year we were facing a bloody winding up order !!


it is mad isn't it , proves you should never give up on things or be too despondent


Typical jammy Vilers innit? Always come up spelling of roses.  ;D


well without patronizing those little blue nose fellows  , don't despair this time next your you might still be solvent and errrrr shit   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 03:15:13 PM
Are we living in some sort of future simulation of Football Manager where the guy playing has given himself a billion quid to play with?

This!
Except we've downloaded the database editor and have spent hours trawling through the hidden gems!

Bids in for Niclas Alexanderson and Tonton Zola Moukoko, Millwall holding out for £1m for Cherno Samba.


Championship Manager 2000/2001. Buy a young Tonton Zola Mokouko (and play him in midfield or attack) and a young Richard Paquette (striker) from QPR and they will score shed loads of goals for about ten seasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 03:19:21 PM
Looks like we just missed out on Griezmann.

Not neceaarily. Atletico are challenging it, saying that Barca only paid €120 million and his release clause was €200 million.

We should swoop in. I think €10 million plus Hogan would be pretty much €200 million?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 03:19:40 PM
Just out of curiosity how are our nose and dog head cousins doing this morning? It has to be suicide watch over there down at the sty

Dunno but is there trouble at the dingles? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48944011?ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=sport



The chairman is taking over the role himself 'temporarily'. That usually ends well doesn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2019, 03:35:46 PM
Went to get a drink, have we signed anyone else yet?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on July 12, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Went to get a drink, have we signed anyone else yet?
Think they were waiting till you got back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2019, 03:41:01 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
Went to get a drink, have we signed anyone else yet?


It doesn't look like it. I'm disgusted.

Where has our ambition gone?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 03:48:38 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

If they get fucked over by their owners on the cusp of world dominance it would one of those laugh so hard your balls fall off moments. What we now need is Mendes bolting. That’s when we will know the wheels have come off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
My parents have just called round to pick my youngest daughter up to stay at theirs for the night. Even my mother, who is in her eighties commented "Villa are signing a lot of players aren't they"?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 12, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

I doubt it. They're just about to buy Thomas Cook Travel for £750m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on July 12, 2019, 04:45:07 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

I doubt it. They're just about to buy Thomas Cook Travel for £750m.

Given their impending world domination of football it does make sense for them to have a preferred travel agent for all the games they will be playing abroad while their ground is redeveloped to hold 650,000. 

There won’t be organised professional football soon the way they are going; just a string of blockbuster friendlies where they tour their brand of exhilarating football across the world....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

I doubt it. They're just about to buy Thomas Cook Travel for £750m.

Given their impending world domination of football it does make sense for them to have a preferred travel agent for all the games they will be playing abroad while their ground is redeveloped to hold 650,000. 

There won’t be organised professional football soon the way they are going; just a string of blockbuster friendlies where they tour their brand of exhilarating football across the world....

The'll be the first side to play floodlight football on the moon.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 05:02:55 PM
Putting a bet on them going down next season, must be the closest thing to printing money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 05:06:11 PM
Putting a bet on them going down next season, must be the closest thing to printing money.


I don't think they will go down but I do think other teams will have sussed them out and they will suffer from second season syndrome to some extent. I don't think they will finish as high as last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 05:06:30 PM
This is a pretty good and balanced assessment on things so far from Sky if you haven’t watched it

https://twitter.com/lassemange/status/1149702927663194112?s=12
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 05:14:08 PM
Putting a bet on them going down next season, must be the closest thing to printing money.


I don't think they will go down but I do think other teams will have sussed them out and they will suffer from second season syndrome to some extent. I don't think they will finish as high as last year.

Yeah i'm getting carried away, but it's gonna be interesting division again next season, mid table for Albion and relegation battle for the other lot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
This is a pretty good and balanced assessment on things so far from Sky if you haven’t watched it

https://twitter.com/lassemange/status/1149702927663194112?s=12


Typical SKY w*nking off over the Vilers, just like every time they were on live last year. ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 06:20:32 PM
With these players in difficult away games we could play Heaton - Targett - Mings - Engels - Guibert - Luiz - Phillips - McGinn - Grealish - Wesley - Trezeguet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 06:27:28 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but, are any of these players mentioned today actually signed?  Genuine question.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 06:29:46 PM
No. Last player we signed was Kozra yesterday. Sounds like the Engels deal is very near completion, I reckon we will hear tomorrow. Luiz may be announced soon, subject to a work permit. But judging by how long Wesley's work permit took to arrive I wouldn't expect to see him stretching the shirt for a few weeks yet. Not sure on whether Trezeguet is likely to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 06:31:47 PM
Thanks for that.  Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
According to SSN, Burnley thought our offer for Heaton was "derisory" and we are also interested in an as-yet-unnamed alternative goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
I’d be interested to know what it was because to my mind an offer for a 33 year old keeper with 1 year on his contract would have to be pretty low to be derisory.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I’d be interested to know what it was because to my mind an offer for a 33 year old keeper with 1 year on his contract would have to be pretty low to be derisory.

We offered Neil Taylor as a swap

(https://i.imgur.com/ekQpV59.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pooligan on July 12, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Hopefully the dogheads will suffer in the same way as Burnley did last season ,Playing in the Europa League of a Thursday night and in the league of a Sunday will stretch what is not a very big squad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 12, 2019, 07:09:59 PM
They say that somedays you can be a pigeon and somedays you can be a statue.  The way our signings are going I reckon this season we will be pigeons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 12, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
I'm itching for a shirt stretch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2019, 07:11:31 PM
Hopefully the dogheads will suffer in the same way as Burnley did last season ,Playing in the Europa League of a Thursday night and in the league of a Sunday will stretch what is not a very big squad

They need to be signing players. Shame their MD's gone then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

I doubt it. They're just about to buy Thomas Cook Travel for £750m.

The Chinese government clampdown on capital moving abroad was not a blanket one, it was aimed at 'frivolous' uses like football clubs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 12, 2019, 07:33:47 PM
I'm itching for a shirt stretch.

Maybe a train arrival is the new shirt stretch....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on July 12, 2019, 07:46:14 PM
We are signing Doug?

The question is who is better at overhead kicks? This guy or the bloke who invented them?

You know what I wish the old bugger had have lived to see the last few weeks happenings at Villa
Me too. I can see and hear him now. He would be well pleased.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2019, 07:58:50 PM
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead, but he can bollocks as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead, but he can bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

Each to their own. Wish or otherwise, you certainly did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
I’d love to know what he thought of wes’ helmet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
£91 MILLION so far... NINETY ONE MILLION POUNDS.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 12, 2019, 08:43:05 PM
There are no guarantees when it comes to the sort of rebuilding that we needed to do this summer, but the way we're going about things is how I'd like it to be done. I don't want "knows the premier league" type signings, we're targeting genuine potential. If it fails, it fails, but I'll have no complaints, this is bloody exciting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
I’d love to know what he thought of wes’ helmet.

Ooer missus!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2019, 08:55:22 PM
This is a pretty good and balanced assessment on things so far from Sky if you haven’t watched it

https://twitter.com/lassemange/status/1149702927663194112?s=12
Typical SKY w*nking off over the Vilers, just like every time they were on live last year. ;D
Vile pay no VAT on transfers cos of that bloody William as royals hardly do that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
Haha they've not signed anyone and now members of their board are leaving. They'll be clinging to "The Vile are doing a Fulham or none of these players would be get into our starting XI" more than ever as the panic sets in.

I wonder if their Chinese owners are struggling with the capital flight issue which seems to have buggered all of the other Chinese owners that bought clubs a few years back?

That would be a shame.

I doubt it. They're just about to buy Thomas Cook Travel for £750m.

The Chinese government clampdown on capital moving abroad was not a blanket one, it was aimed at 'frivolous' uses like football clubs.

If the financial taps get turned off at the dog heads the sound made from the explosion of heads will rival the sound made by the disintegration of their ambitions. Because there really cannot be anything more frivolous than investing in some no name team from a West Midlands community that time forgot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 12, 2019, 09:00:55 PM
Does anybody else feel like they want a real statement signing or am I just being greedy? Someone that people can really get excited about, a well known talent. A player that makes the rest of the league stand up and say "wow, Villa have got a top player there". Someone who the fans rush to the club shop to get printed on their shirts.

I'd love it if we had a signing like that before the window shuts.
Well we need another proven goal scorer so maybe we just go and pay the proper £200m release clause for Griezman ? 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
Yeah as soon as I saw buy back I assumed a figure way below likely market rate otherwise what’s the point?

FFP will be a big consideration i’d have thought.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: fredm on July 12, 2019, 09:28:48 PM
The most interesting thing IMO is that for most of these players (former Smith players excepted) they would have all been scouted and presumably thoroughly checked out some time ago which has enabled us to sort the deals out so quickly. The club look to have really got their act together in relation to this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2019, 09:43:41 PM
There are no guarantees when it comes to the sort of rebuilding that we needed to do this summer, but the way we're going about things is how I'd like it to be done. I don't want "knows the premier league" type signings, we're targeting genuine potential. If it fails, it fails, but I'll have no complaints, this is bloody exciting.

For the money we've spent I'd have liked 2-3 been there and done it players at reasonable top level. That said there is no right or wrong transfer approach, Fulham last year for example massively overspent on players in areas of the pitch where they were already strong (central midfield and left back). We're understocked in many areas given all the guys we released so 8-9 major signings was always going to happen.

Important we've got them in early and we DS can drill them for next 3-4 weeks so they fit into the formation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2019, 09:44:00 PM
They do

Though something clearly went wrong w kalinic do I hope that was a blip
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2019, 09:49:57 PM
Snake could be slithering along the M62 to sign for Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2019, 10:01:09 PM
Snake could be slithering along the M62 to sign for Everton.
I don’t think he would get in our team now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
£91 MILLION so far... NINETY ONE MILLION POUNDS.

I said a while back that I thought we might spend something in the £130-150m range. Might not be too far off. We will ask a couple I imagine but the net spend will be something that a year ago was beyond our wildest dreams.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2019, 10:09:37 PM
It’s an incredible, obscene amount of money but, when chatting before the play off game,  most said we’d need to spend that kind of money to have a squad with any chance of competing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2019, 10:12:15 PM
If we sign these two, we still need a keeper and right winger, probably another 25 mill.  I reckon we will do north of 150 mill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 10:13:51 PM
What we are doing is creating a very solid base. I don’t think any of the players we are buying are above our station so to speak. We are not lashing out money on players that are luxuries. The most we have spent on any one player remains Wesley. When you consider that Leicester have spent more than that twice already and West Ham once let alone Spurs/Man City shows we are filling vital needs. Now it would be nice once all the key buys are made to get in one top player but I’m just as happy if we keep on the path we are on. Let’s get ourselves sorted again as a PL club before taking our signings to the next level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 12, 2019, 10:19:06 PM
91 million is small change to our mega rich owners! If Naseef Sawiris needs a bit of family help he could tap into the Sawiris family wealth which stands at $42 billion! A mind boggling figure!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2019, 10:22:37 PM
91 million is small change to our mega rich owners! If Naseef Sawiris needs a bit of family help he could tap into the Sawiris family wealth which stands at $42 billion! A mind boggling figure!

Sadly FFP is specifically designed to stop Naseef from dipping into his gazillionaire fortune.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 12, 2019, 10:28:27 PM
We are signing Doug?

The question is who is better at overhead kicks? This guy or the bloke who invented them?

You know what I wish the old bugger had have lived to see the last few weeks happenings at Villa
Me too. I can see and hear him now. He would be well pleased.

Yep, well pleased that someone else is paying.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2019, 11:10:17 PM
If we sign these two, we still need a keeper and right winger, probably another 25 mill.  I reckon we will do north of 150 mill.
We need another striker.  Having spent this much money I can’t believe we’d be prepared to gamble our season on Wesley hitting the ground running, which to me seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 12:19:57 AM
How different does this look to just a few weeks ago? And with more to come the opening day line-up at Spurs will feel quite new in many ways

So if nothing changes between now and August 10th my prediction would be as follows:

STEER
GUILBERT
TARGETT
ENGELS
MINGS
DOUGLAS
MCGINN
GREALISH
EL GHAZI
JOTA
WESLEY

SUBS

ELMOHAMADY
KONZA
KODJIA
HAUSE
GREEN
KALINIC
LANSBURY

We are still light as a squad in midfield and up front, and I expect a new keeper to be signed also. So it's possible that line up has up to 2 changes and on the bench 1 new face.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2019, 12:27:27 AM
How different does this look to just a few weeks ago? And with more to come the opening day line-up at Spurs will feel quite new in many ways

So if nothing changes between now and August 10th my prediction would be as follows:

STEER
GUILBERT
TARGETT
ENGELS
MINGS
DOUGLAS
MCGINN
GREALISH
EL GHAZI
JOTA
WESLEY

SUBS

ELMOHAMADY
KONZA
KODJIA
HAUSE
GREEN
KALINIC
LANSBURY HOURIHANE

We are still light as a squad in midfield and up front, and I expect a new keeper to be signed also. So it's possible that line up has up to 2 changes and on the bench 1 new face.


Hourihane from the bench as the first replacement is fine, I reckon Konsa is cover for DM as well as CB and Jota will be the cover for Grealish so we're ok in there, especially if the Trezeguet rumour is right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 12:30:42 AM
Holy cow how did I forget Conor? Yes him over BB and Lansbury every time
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard on July 13, 2019, 12:52:34 AM
Good team that and it contains 5 of the play off final starting XI so some continuity.

I'd say Targett, Engels, Douglas and Jota are upgrades on Taylor, Axel (just), Conor and Albert.

Guilbert or Elmo pretty equal.

Tammy over Wes at present which is why I'd like just one more signing to be another striker.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 13, 2019, 01:40:31 AM
I’m not sure If this counts at ITK.

BUT

I’m randomly in a bar with the Burnley players in
Portugal. Joe Hart is one of them. He reckons Tom Heaton is a  done deal.he Certainly he isn’t here with then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 13, 2019, 01:45:50 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/N6QL8ZY/F70-BBEA8-7-D1-E-451-E-B01-F-166-B3629-D479.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6QL8ZY)

(https://i.ibb.co/T21bN57/60-B4-A373-9024-40-CB-BCE7-8-EFF9-DF43-CF6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T21bN57)

(https://i.ibb.co/BPfvHbT/32-EC3-BB6-89-FB-4414-A4-A5-ADA17-EA30-BA7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BPfvHbT)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 13, 2019, 01:47:05 AM
Just in case you think I made it up ^^
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 01:50:12 AM
Pretty solid ITK. Still, even as the messenger be prepared for a traditional H&V roasting if Hart was lying to you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passitsideways on July 13, 2019, 01:56:01 AM
I think at some point you'd want at least a couple of reserve spots in the squad to be filled by academy players who make the step up even if they aren't ready straight away, it's not really feasible to put fees in for able cover at every position
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 13, 2019, 02:09:47 AM
I’m not sure If this counts at ITK.

BUT

I’m randomly in a bar with the Burnley players in
Portugal. Joe Hart is one of them. He reckons Tom Heaton is a  done deal.he Certainly he isn’t here with then.
Mingling with the stars eh...we’re not worthy! 😉

Where abouts in Portugal are you? Must be proper scorchio over there!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 13, 2019, 02:10:52 AM
Was Joe Hart really happy that about going from third choice keeper to second choice?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2019, 03:52:19 AM
I’m not sure If this counts at ITK.

BUT

I’m randomly in a bar with the Burnley players in
Portugal. Joe Hart is one of them. He reckons Tom Heaton is a  done deal.he Certainly he isn’t here with then.

Heaton isn't with them in the bar, or isn't with them in Portugal?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 13, 2019, 07:31:30 AM
Goalkeeper, winger and forward and I think that'll probably be it. Looking at the squad now we're pretty much there. You could make a case for another holding midfielder and a right-back but with one game a week I think we've got enough for now. Continuity breeds success and keeping the same 16/17 players in and around might be the best way to tackle this season.

If we can get Heaton, Trezeguet and a central striker then I'll be over the moon.

Then it's time to let Kalinic (loan), Bree, Bjarnasson, Tishbola, Davis (loan), Hogan (loan) and possibly even Taylor go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 13, 2019, 08:00:02 AM
Did Westwood pass the drinks sideways?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 13, 2019, 08:21:47 AM
Did Westwood pass the drinks sideways?

No, but he pointed others in the right direction.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Concrete Tom on July 13, 2019, 08:22:04 AM
Just in case you think I made it up ^^

I met him whilst at University a while back (he was visiting a family member whilst on loan at the blues). Sound guy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2019, 08:28:21 AM
Did Westwood pass the drinks sideways?

No, but he pointed others in the right direction.

He got a round of shots in, but everyone complained that they were too weak.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 08:41:40 AM
How different does this look to just a few weeks ago? And with more to come the opening day line-up at Spurs will feel quite new in many ways

So if nothing changes between now and August 10th my prediction would be as follows:

HEATON
GUILBERT
TARGETT
HAUSE
MINGS
DOUGLAS
MCGINN
GREALISH
EL GHAZI
JOTA
WESLEY

SUBS

ELMOHAMADY
KONZA
KODJIA
ENGELS
TREZEGUET
STEER
HOURIHANE

 
I'd be surprised to see Engels start. I think either Hause or Konza will start alongside Mings.
I'm actually cool either way about bringing in another striker: we'll almost-certainly play one upfront with wingers / midfielders in big support. My guess is that they will either wait till January for striker-cover or sell Kodjia and bring someone in as understudy to Wes.
I'm assuming Trezeguet and Heaton are also done deals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 13, 2019, 08:42:49 AM
That it top quality sleuthing from Aldridgeboy.

Boy??!! 😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 13, 2019, 08:52:16 AM
I think would be a really good signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2019, 09:35:28 AM
So as things stand (factoring in players signed all bar the shouting, but not ones likely  to come, like keeper and wide right) I guess we look something like this:

Steer

Guilbert — Engels — Mings — Targett

Luiz

Jota — SJM — SJG — AEG

Wesley
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2019, 09:41:31 AM
Sorry I somehow missed TV’s post. And I’d forgotten about trezeguet (!) who seems to be in the all but signed category.

So I guess he comes in for Jota and el Ghazi on the right?

Centre back will be really interesting. I don’t know enough about the new recruits to know who is likely to complement the emperor. We seem to have some real variety there. Maybe Hause will get the nod because it’s a formula we know works while the others bed in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 13, 2019, 09:47:51 AM
Competition for places in defence and midfield. Sign another keeper, winger and forward (in addition to the 3 deals in progress) and we’ll have strength in depth all over the pitch fighting for places in training and games...and that can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2019, 09:48:31 AM
Did Westwood pass the drinks sideways?

No, but he pointed others in the right direction.

He got a round of shots in, but everyone complained that they were too weak.

I think he's a bit shy - he just sort of floated in the corner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 13, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
I’m not sure If this counts at ITK.

BUT

I’m randomly in a bar with the Burnley players in
Portugal. Joe Hart is one of them. He reckons Tom Heaton is a  done deal.he Certainly he isn’t here with then.

Heaton isn't with them in the bar, or isn't with them in Portugal?

He wasn’t in the bar. But every other player seemed to be. They had what appeared to be a quite formal meal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 13, 2019, 10:02:47 AM
Edit. Repeat post because I can’t remember what I posted drunk last night.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 13, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Strikes me that Konsa, Hourihane, and perhaps Engels can compete with Luiz for the deep lying role, while Hourihane and Luiz can also play further forward and Jack can also play wide if we're going more defensive. Looks quite good and quite flexible - just lacking real cover for Jack, but obviously that's a bit impossible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
I know next to nothing about these new guys that are supposedly coming in but I really like the direction we are attempting to go in. It all sounds rather promising and fascinating.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 13, 2019, 10:11:47 AM
I'd quite like an upgrade on Whelan. I.e. an old head in the middle of park that can play the odd game when needed, be brought on to see out games, etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2019, 10:14:43 AM
I'd quite like an upgrade on Whelan. I.e. an old head in the middle of park that can play the odd game when needed, be brought on to see out games, etc.

Busquets could be that man.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 13, 2019, 10:16:34 AM
I'd quite like an upgrade on Whelan. I.e. an old head in the middle of park that can play the odd game when needed, be brought on to see out games, etc.
#annoucemessi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 13, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
We're building a well-balanced squad. When you compare to last season, Smith really worked wonders.

If it doesn't work for Smith (not that I've any reason to doubt him), then any manager should be able to work with the squad as there is cover and flexibility built in.

As has been said, a keeper (we know we're going to get one), a striker and another midfielder would complete the squad.

Isn't it nice to have hope?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 13, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Neil Maupay not in Brentford squad. Looks like he is off. Maybe Deano is still in for him...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 13, 2019, 11:08:14 AM
Neil Maupay not in Brentford squad. Looks like he is off. Maybe Deano is still in for him...

As long as we don’t pay more than £15m he would be a good signing imo
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2019, 11:18:44 AM
We're building a well-balanced squad. When you compare to last season, Smith really worked wonders.

If it doesn't work for Smith (not that I've any reason to doubt him), then any manager should be able to work with the squad as there is cover and flexibility built in.

As has been said, a keeper (we know we're going to get one), a striker and another midfielder would complete the squad.

Isn't it nice to have hope?!
We’ve had so many re-building jobs I have lost count. I’ve been really excited a few times over the years after a transfer window but this time it does feel very different. One thing we know, this manager and probably the first of his kind in a long time to manage the Villa has a system and an exciting way of playing. Players are sort to fit positions needed, not just added because they are available. They are watched or known to fulfil Smith’s way and they all look very comfortable on the ball.

Dare I say it but it feels very exciting and most definitely very very hopeful.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 13, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
I think if we wanted Maupay we'd have bought him by now - i think he'll end up at Sheffield or Brighton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 13, 2019, 11:29:11 AM
We still need another striker, so signing Maupay is a no brainer. Swap with Hogan plus £10-12m ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 13, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
I think if we wanted Maupay we'd have bought him by now - i think he'll end up at Sheffield or Brighton.

That would be a waste. He said he'd be keen to work under DS again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2019, 11:39:31 AM
I think if we wanted Maupay we'd have bought him by now - i think he'll end up at Sheffield or Brighton.

Not necessarily. They may want a replacement before letting him go to whoever it is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2019, 11:41:00 AM
We still need another striker, so signing Maupay is a no brainer. Swap with Hogan plus £10-12m ?

That’d be the ideal scenario.  Improves the quality of the squad with out it becoming too bloated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 13, 2019, 11:46:02 AM
I think if we wanted Maupay we'd have bought him by now - i think he'll end up at Sheffield or Brighton.

Not necessarily. They may want a replacement before letting him go to whoever it is.

Agree Clampy, that's the "Brentford transfer policy," instilled by our beloved Deano
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2019, 12:06:45 PM
I'm not sure why so many seem to be discounting Chester as first choice to play CD alongside Mings.

Assuming he is fit, and not knowing too much about Engels and Konza (or how they will settle) then I would say he is the most likely to partner Mings - especially at the start of the season.

With 60 odd PL appearances, only Elmo has more experience in this league. There has been no word to suggest he is not playing a full part in pre-season.

It will be very interesting to see the first few line-ups - though always tough to determine what is giving everyone game time and what is a first choice line-up starting to take shape.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2019, 01:12:49 PM
I’m not sure If this counts at ITK.

BUT

I’m randomly in a bar with the Burnley players in
Portugal. Joe Hart is one of them. He reckons Tom Heaton is a  done deal.he Certainly he isn’t here with then.

Heaton isn't with them in the bar, or isn't with them in Portugal?

He wasn’t in the bar. But every other player seemed to be. They had what appeared to be a quite formal meal.


He trained with them yesterday judging by the photos on their OS.

EDIT: He didn't play in their game against Fulham. Pope played first half, Hart the second.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
I think if we wanted Maupay we'd have bought him by now - i think he'll end up at Sheffield or Brighton.

Not necessarily. They may want a replacement before letting him go to whoever it is.

He's been withdrawn from the Brentford squad for their friendly today and gone back to France for 3 days to sort his head out.
He's expected back on Tuesday but I imagine a decision will be made before then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
It won’t shock me if he joins us late next week or soon after. At 23, knows DS really well, scores goals, works really hard, perfect to compete with Wesley and Kodjia. I’d even send Keinan there on a season long loan as part of the deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
We'll need goals and Wesley is no typical centre forward. What is it, 38 goals in 138 games? Maupay seems to score for fun.
I still wouldn't turn my nose up to Rafael Leão.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
It won’t shock me if he joins us late next week or soon after. At 23, knows DS really well, scores goals, works really hard, perfect to compete with Wesley and Kodjia. I’d even send Keinan there on a season long loan as part of the deal.
TV, your suggestion about Davis is an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
The kid needs game time. And sitting on our bench or likely even further down won’t do him any good at all. RHM the same
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 03:20:03 PM
The kid needs game time. And sitting on our bench or likely even further down won’t do him any good at all. RHM the same
agreed.
I was particularly taken with  Brentford being the loan- club. It would do the boy the power of good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
Davis is a good player. Not keen on loaning him out, but it might be the best thing for him career wise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2019, 04:32:47 PM
Davis is a good player. Not keen on loaning him out, but it might be the best thing for him career wise.

Davis showed flashes of a young-Heskey last season, albeit with less pace.

However, I don't think that he's good enough to even be a third choice striker in the Premier League. In fact, I don't think that he's a first choice player for a Championship team. I think that he needs a season in League 1 or Scotland to bang a few goals in. Then it'll be clearer what kind of level he's capable of.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2019, 04:33:46 PM
I think we will see more of Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2019, 04:35:30 PM
I like him and see real potential, it’s his finishing that is the real issue for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
I've genuinely seen nothing from Davis to suggest he's going to make it. That's not to say I think we should write him off, but he needs to show something soon, whether on loan or here.

Same for RHM.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2019, 05:17:10 PM
I like him and see real potential, it’s his finishing that is the real issue for me.

Which is kind of a big issue for a striker.

Unless you're a defensive striker like Heskey *wink*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
I like him and see real potential, it’s his finishing that is the real issue for me.

Which is kind of a big issue for a striker.

Unless you're a defensive striker like Heskey *wink*

He's got something, but whatever it is it's not that useful for a side that plays like we (finally) do. Perhaps Bruce will take him to Newcastle?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 13, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
I like the idea of Hogan as part of the deal for Maupay & Davis on loan to Brentford. Win win …...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2019, 06:40:10 PM
I've genuinely seen nothing from Davis to suggest he's going to make it. That's not to say I think we should write him off, but he needs to show something soon, whether on loan or here.

Same for RHM.

He played well in the early part of 17/18. Mind you so did Green. Both pick up lots of injuries.

Think once we've done our business those two will be loaned out to championship until January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 13, 2019, 06:42:06 PM
Have we signed anybody yet today?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 13, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
no but some reports trickling out that we firming up our interest in Heerenveen's right back Jizz  Hornkamp as back up to Fred.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2019, 06:47:36 PM
no but some reports trickling out that we firming up our interest in Heerenveen's right back Jizz  Hornkamp as back up to Fred.

No way is that a real player!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
no but some reports trickling out that we firming up our interest in Heerenveen's right back Jizz  Hornkamp as back up to Fred.

Our next new signing can’t cum quickly enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 06:49:21 PM
no but some reports trickling out that we firming up our interest in Heerenveen's right back Jizz  Hornkamp as back up to Fred.

No way is that a real player!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizz_Hornkamp
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2019, 06:50:26 PM
I know he's real, it was a joke about his name.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2019, 07:13:18 PM
Have we really been linked with this playeror was that a joke, too? I'm confused.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 13, 2019, 07:18:35 PM
I hope we’re still in for Phillips, he’s excellent.   (Oh and Butland).

Exciting times
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2019, 07:49:25 PM
It's difficult to tell with Davis. He had that run in the side a season back and played quite well before tailing off which youngsters inevitably do. Injuries have held him back. At the same you never know if a player needs to leave to become better and do the rounds a bit. FWIW of Delfouneso, Davis and Robinson, I thought Robinson looked the most awkward when he broke into our team (albeit we saw less of him) but he's the one who's ending up back in the top flight.

Fonz when we first saw him, largely in the Europa looked to be quite a clinical finisher but his goal record since hasn't really tied in with that. Davis doesn't look a natural finisher, but maybe that'll improve. I think he puts himself about, and increasingly you need that as a forward at Championship level. He'll be playing there on loan I suspect. We'll see. I'd be loathe to let him go permanently however.

Green I'd keep around because I think he'll get his chances if he stays fit (unless we sign 3 wingers in a day, which I wouldn't rule out going by this window).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 13, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Both Davis and Green struggled to make an impression in the Championship so don’t see them contributing much in the Premier League. They need to get game time out on loan and show they have what it takes to break into the team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 13, 2019, 08:02:58 PM
Trezuguet supposedly signed for 10mil
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
Green has a habit of getting into goal scoring positions. I am sure there is a player in there, but he needs to kick on soon. RHM and Davis are miles from being ready. Both need to have effective loan periods at Championship level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 13, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
Green has a habit of getting into goal scoring positions. I am sure there is a player in there, but he needs to kick on soon. RHM and Davis are miles from being ready. Both need to have effective loan periods at Championship level.

RHM is only a Moore standard player
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 08:20:29 PM
Green has a habit of getting into goal scoring positions. I am sure there is a player in there, but he needs to kick on soon. RHM and Davis are miles from being ready. Both need to have effective loan periods at Championship level.

RHM is only a Moore standard player
which Moore?
Stefan never did it.  Luke made a reasonable fist of being a reasonable 1st tier / 2nd tier striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 13, 2019, 08:20:58 PM
Does Trezeguet need a work permit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 13, 2019, 08:37:28 PM
Where’s that story from.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2019, 08:38:41 PM
Does Trezeguet need a work permit?

Yes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2019, 08:43:01 PM
He might get an automatic one if he has played in 75% of Egypt's games and they are in the top 50 of the "Aggregated" Fifa rankings list, which I can't find online anywhere. They are outside the top fifty now but were up at thirty when the World Cup draw was made.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 13, 2019, 08:43:23 PM
I expect the next week will be busy. Signings announced, kit released, pre season friendlies. Not long until the start of the season. Come on Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2019, 08:54:22 PM
So, assuming Luiz and Engels sign, how many more are we realistically expecting to come in after that? A keeper, a winger and a striker?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 13, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
So, assuming Luiz and Engels sign, how many more are we realistically expecting to come in after that? A keeper, a winger and a striker?

Keeper, striker and a few youngsters I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 13, 2019, 09:06:38 PM
So, assuming Luiz and Engels sign, how many more are we realistically expecting to come in after that? A keeper, a winger and a striker?

Keeper, striker and a few youngsters I'd imagine.

Define youngster! Could say that’s all we’ve been signing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 13, 2019, 09:16:18 PM
So, assuming Luiz and Engels sign, how many more are we realistically expecting to come in after that? A keeper, a winger and a striker?

Keeper, striker and a few youngsters I'd imagine.

Define youngster! Could say that’s all we’ve been signing!

Ha, true.

Younger than them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2019, 09:17:14 PM
Green has a habit of getting into goal scoring positions. I am sure there is a player in there, but he needs to kick on soon. RHM and Davis are miles from being ready. Both need to have effective loan periods at Championship level.

Green did very little at Pompey on loan in league one, albeit they were supposed to have had strong wingers. He was given umpteen chances with us last season but never impressed consistently. He does get lots of goal chances but technically is very limited. For a big guy he never uses his bulk effectively either. Davis I think has a lot more going for him than the rest of our homegrown crew.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2019, 09:25:47 PM
Green has a habit of getting into goal scoring positions. I am sure there is a player in there, but he needs to kick on soon. RHM and Davis are miles from being ready. Both need to have effective loan periods at Championship level.

Green did very little at Pompey on loan in league one, albeit they were supposed to have had strong wingers. He was given umpteen chances with us last season but never impressed consistently. He does get lots of goal chances but technically is very limited. For a big guy he never uses his bulk effectively either. Davis I think has a lot more going for him than the rest of our homegrown crew.

Aston Villa Vs Sheffield United 90+3.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
I rate Davis a lot higher than Green personally. The problem with him is his injury record.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2019, 09:39:56 PM
Every time I see Davis play he looks like a really promising striker, the flicks, the movement off the ball, the reading of the game, everything except the goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
Every time I see Davis play he looks like a really promising striker, the flicks, the movement off the ball, the reading of the game, everything except the goals.

Might be a useful impact sub for us next season. He can bring our best players into the game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 13, 2019, 10:51:26 PM
Does Trezeguet need a work permit?

They may all need one after Oct 31st. Just saying.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2019, 11:21:13 PM
Every time I see Davis play he looks like a really promising striker, the flicks, the movement off the ball, the reading of the game, everything except the goals.
Same here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2019, 11:51:17 PM
Every time I see Davis play he looks like a really promising striker, the flicks, the movement off the ball, the reading of the game, everything except the goals.

Many strikers have built good careers in premier league and at international level without scoring many goals at all, we've signed a few of them down the years of course.

I do find it odd people just judging Davis on his scoring record. We've just signed Wesley for big money and it's not like he's been hitting 25-30 in Belgian league.

Think it may be a struggle for him to hit double figures in premier league but if he's holding it up fine and creating space for Jack, McGinn and El Ghazi to run into then that should still benefit us.

If you look at premier league last season the best strikers like Mane, Salah and Aubameyang were only just getting over 20 league goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
He needs a consistent run of games where he is one of the starting options and he remains injury free. He's got ability, he's got size and strength. He just needs some goals to build his confidence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
He needs a consistent run of games where he is one of the starting options and he remains injury free. He's got ability, he's got size and strength. He just needs some goals to build his confidence.

Think he'll go out on loan when we sign another striker. We'll have Wesley, another striker and also Kodjia as guy who can cover wide and CF positions and he's had a decent AFCON. Don't think he's DS type of attacking player at all but he'll do for now as back up.

RHM is just a myth to me, must've played about 5 games for us in 4 years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 12:41:48 AM
I agree about RHM, too small and feeble at the moment.  Loan him out again.  Davis, loan him out too, to a Championship club and let him find his shooting boots.  I rate Davis quite highly and think he can bully defences, but most of all needs confidence.

Potentially four deals being done this weekend with Trezeguet, Luiz, Engels and Heaton?  Looking good for the challenges of the new season and, If the deals really are happening, getting players in nice and early so they are properly coached, fantastic!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 12:57:38 AM
A big if, but, if it comes off as expected in the next few days or so;

                    Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
                      Luiz
Trezeguet Grealish McGinn El Ghazi
                     Wesley

Subs:  Steer, Hause, Konsa, Kodjia, Jota, Elmo,  Hourihane

Pace, Height, flair in that squad. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 14, 2019, 06:55:21 AM
Is it just claret and blue specs or does that team look capable of finishing above Sheff U, Norwich, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Burnley, Bournemouth, and even Watford, Wet spam and Wolves ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2019, 07:33:26 AM
Next step will be to add a bit of strength in depth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2019, 07:48:49 AM
Is it just claret and blue specs or does that team look capable of finishing above Sheff U, Norwich, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Burnley, Bournemouth, and even Watford, Wet spam and Wolves ?


Specs. Wolves, Watford and West Ham all have some very decent players. I would say if, and it is a big if, we hit the ground running, then Burnley, Newcastle, Southampton, Norwich, Brighton and maybe Palace we are better than. On the flip side, they have players used to the premier league, used to scrapping for every point etc bar Norwich. Sheffield United are a different ball game. I expect them to survive based on having an exceptional manager and a style of play that will get them a fair few points.

I think we are still a way behind most in terms of forward options, we need another winger and another striker yet. And maybe a keeper. Get all of them, and I think 11-14th should be the realistic aim.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
the side shown above is better imo, than the Newcastle side that finished 13th.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 14, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Is it just claret and blue specs or does that team look capable of finishing above Sheff U, Norwich, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Burnley, Bournemouth, and even Watford, Wet spam and Wolves ?

Yes. Realistically unless everything goes perfectly we won't finish above Wolves for one, and probably a few other of those teams. That's not me saying we will go down, just there is a really big gap to jump with the league now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 09:28:28 AM
I think Wolves will struggle as it stands. 12 fit senior players going to China for their tour, with 4 out, Europa League football and a manager who doesn't rotate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
porno dwarfs now in for Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: The Edge on July 14, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
It's an old cliche but we just need to avoid relegation. Anything else is a bonus. We can kick on from there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 10:13:36 AM
porno dwarfs now in for Maupay.

Maupay said he would like to work with DS again. He'll sign for us if we agree a fee. Wet spam can do one....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 14, 2019, 10:18:49 AM
porno dwarfs now in for Maupay.

Maupay said he would like to work with DS again. He'll sign for us if we agree a fee. Wet spam can do one....

Sounds like Hogan all over again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
Maupay is much, much stronger than Hogan. He has the mastered what has to be known as the "McGinn arse move" where he shoves it in and rolls the man. For a low centre of gravity he reminds me a bit of Aguero, just obviously not as good. Would love him at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 14, 2019, 10:33:27 AM
Maupay is much, much stronger than Hogan. He has the mastered what has to be known as the "McGinn arse move" where he shoves it in and rolls the man. For a low centre of gravity he reminds me a bit of Aguero, just obviously not as good. Would love him at Villa.

Sorry, meant when we wanted Hogan and West Ham stepped in and probably pushed the cost up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 14, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Is it just claret and blue specs or does that team look capable of finishing above Sheff U, Norwich, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Burnley, Bournemouth, and even Watford, Wet spam and Wolves ?


It depends on how good the new players really are and how well they adapt to the PL.  We don't really know that yet about any of them. On paper it looked very positive when we brought in Amavi, Ayew Veretout, Guye etc. They all turned out to be decent players but other factors, mainly Sherwood,  made it a disaster of a season. Smith's track record of finding good players and being able to coach them indicates things should turn out a lot better this time, and I'm reasonably optimistic we will do ok without setting the world on fire. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2019, 10:46:26 AM
A big if, but, if it comes off as expected in the next few days or so;

                    Heaton
Guilbert  Engels   Mings   Targett
                      Luiz
Trezeguet Grealish McGinn El Ghazi
                     Wesley

Subs:  Steer, Hause, Konsa, Kodjia, Jota, Elmo,  Hourihane

Pace, Height, flair in that squad. 
Looks good, but that right hand side will need to gel and get used to the English game very quickly
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2019, 10:48:32 AM
Oh yeah. Porno shit bags.

Surely we can temp Brentford with a a romantic return of Hogan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Concrete John on July 14, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Is it just claret and blue specs or does that team look capable of finishing above Sheff U, Norwich, Brighton, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Burnley, Bournemouth, and even Watford, Wet spam and Wolves ?


It depends on how good the new players really are and how well they adapt to the PL.  We don't really know that yet about any of them. On paper it looked very positive when we brought in Amavi, Ayew Veretout, Guye etc. They all turned out to be decent players but other factors, mainly Sherwood,  made it a disaster of a season. Smith's track record of finding good players and being able to coach them indicates things should turn out a lot better this time, and I'm reasonably optimistic we will do ok without setting the world on fire. 

The other factor is that these new players are coming into a happy dressing room and a team playing well that’s full of confidence and positivity.  Not the train wreck of a club we were around Sherwood’s time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2019, 10:59:33 AM
Nixon on Twitter now saying we are favourites to sign Maupay.

Yes please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2019, 11:04:21 AM
Trying to keep up, so if rumours are to be believed we should still expect to see all of these come in.

Heaton
Engles
Luis
Trezeguet
Maupay.

Blimey (not a player, just a comment) !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 11:09:05 AM
I think Maupay has a touch of Dean Saunders about him.  Good movement, sharp.  I would defo like him in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
Maupay is what...5’9”? I’d be a little concerned with his size for a forward but he knows where the back of the net is so it will be about creating the right chances for him at his feet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2019, 11:20:31 AM
Providing the deal was right, I think it's a gamble worth taking. In some ways though, I'd like to see what Kodjia could do in this league. He's earned his chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 11:22:38 AM
Maupay is what...5’9”? I’d be a little concerned with his size for a forward but he knows where the back of the net is so it will be about creating the right chances for him at his feet.

That's nonsense!  How tall was Michael Owen? Maupay is a clever striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
How is me being a little concerned about his height but thinking he will score goals with the right service nonsense? 🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
Then why are you concerned about his height?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
Oh yeah. Porno shit bags.

Surely we can temp Brentford with a a romantic return of Hogan

Hogan's no use to them now. They've already banked the resale value he had, and they won't be getting it again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 14, 2019, 12:13:10 PM
It's a wild flight of fantasy but just imagine... Hogan playing a few games in the PL (coming on as a sub, it doesn't even have to be that many) going on a mini scoring run, increasing his value and then someone coming in for him in the next transfer window!!? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2019, 12:16:15 PM
Maupay is what...5’9”? I’d be a little concerned with his size for a forward but he knows where the back of the net is so it will be about creating the right chances for him at his feet.

Wiki says he’s only 5ft 7in, but there again it also says he plays for Wet Spam!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2019, 12:17:49 PM
the side shown above is better imo, than the Newcastle side that finished 13th.

What last season? Newcastle had a really poor start to the season and were in bottom 3 up to middle of November, they then picked up but were still hovering just above bottom 3 at start of April. Then Ayoze Perez hit purple patch of goalscoring form and they finished strong.

When you look at their side set up conservatively by Benitez they have some pretty decent defenders and Rondon had a good season upfront. They were good at grinding results out against other relegation threatened teams.

I'd take 14th aswell but would rather finish there having been around 10-14th for most of the season. Some of the seasons under Lambert when we were in bottom 3 for large spells but didn't actually go down were so depressing, remember that run of 7 games we had without even scoring a goal.

VP will be bouncing in the early games so we should get off to a decent start to the season especially as we don't play a top 6 club at home until November.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2019, 12:20:13 PM
the side shown above is better imo, than the Newcastle side that finished 13th.

What last season? Newcastle had a really poor start to the season and were in bottom 3 up to middle of November, they then picked up but were still hovering just above bottom 3 at start of April. Then Ayoze Perez hit purple patch of goalscoring form and they finished strong.

When you look at their side set up conservatively by Benitez they have some pretty decent defenders and Rondon had a good season upfront. They were good at grinding results out against other relegation threatened teams.

I'd take 14th aswell but would rather finish there having been around 10-14th for most of the season. Some of the seasons under Lambert when we were in bottom 3 for large spells but didn't actually go down were so depressing, remember that run of 7 games we had without even scoring a goal.

VP will be bouncing in the early games so we should get off to a decent start to the season especially as we don't play a top 6 club at home until November.

I thought Lambert was sacked the first time we dropped into the bottom three? I may be wrong, however, as that is my default setting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2019, 12:37:10 PM
Oh fucking hell....this isn’t  going to turn into another analysis of the lambert years is it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on July 14, 2019, 12:55:43 PM
Then why are you concerned about his height?

Because if we play one up-front we need someone strong to hold the ball up as it comes back at us.

As we know when we played Hogan up front on his own every so often and he used to run around like a 12 year old.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 14, 2019, 01:01:20 PM
Any word of further outgoings at Villa Park? The promotion specialist leaving Sheff Wed hardly helps in that regard.... Chester (we don't need five centre backs), Bree, BB, Lansbury, Kodjia, Hogan, Kalinic or Nyland, Tshibola will hardly be in our squad by the time the window slams shut.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 14, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
Highly suspect that one or two of the new centre backs are considered cover or options for defensive midfield. Important to keep Chester on for his experience I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
Then why are you concerned about his height?

Exactly
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 14, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
Agueroooooo. All six foot eight of him....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 14, 2019, 01:58:18 PM
Oh. No, actually 5ft 8
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2019, 02:00:20 PM
Icardi is available I think. Honestly we should go for him. That's the statement signing I'd like.

Fantastic scoring record and we could afford him. Just about fits with the policy of signing younger players too.

You know it makes sense  8)

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2019, 02:02:04 PM
He's a bad 'un that Icardi, he'd lead a player's revolt on the quality of totty in Brum.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2019, 02:10:07 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about a players height. It didn't stop Kevin Phillips scoring lots of goals and winning a golden boot at the top level, often in struggling sides.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2019, 02:14:33 PM
He's a bad 'un that Icardi, he'd lead a player's revolt on the quality of totty in Brum.

Think of all the goals though  8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 14, 2019, 02:23:12 PM
Then why are you concerned about his height?

Exactly
Highly suspect that one or two of the new centre backs are considered cover or options for defensive midfield. Important to keep Chester on for his experience I think.

I think you are right. DS knows how important the DM role is and also that Konsa played a few games for Brentford as DM. So clever tactical acquisitions ……...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
I have a little concern about Maupays height but no one bats an eye lid comparing him to Owen and Aguero. Alrighty then! 😂

Like I said, if we’re in for him then he’ll need the right kind of supply as he can’t be expected to be winning too many balls in the air or holding the ball up against much more physical and taller defenders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:04:57 PM
If Burnley are holding out for more dough for Heaton, I wonder if we'll bring another surprise signing out of the hat, it's obviously a position we're looking to strengthen and we may add someone we've never heard of.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 03:05:31 PM
Chester's 5'9
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 03:09:04 PM
Chester's 5'9

He is 5'11 according the the Villa Official stats.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Chester's 5'9

Is he really, that’s explains a lot!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Barry Bannan is 4ft 11.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 03:28:17 PM
Barry Bannan is 4ft 11.

No, 4ft 10....I've heard
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2019, 03:57:07 PM
Oh fucking hell....this isn’t  going to turn into another analysis of the lambert years is it.
Shouldn't take long.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
Chester's 5'9

He is 5'11 according the the Villa Official stats.


I'll let him have 5'9" & ¾. Definitely not over 5'10.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2019, 04:04:56 PM
Steve Bruce weighs 22st 5lbs 2oz.  Or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
are you Eastie?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2019, 06:32:48 PM
Steve Bruce weighs 22st 5lbs 2oz.  Or thereabouts.

Before he had eaten Micah Richards
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
Steve Bruce weighs 22st 5lbs 2oz.  Or thereabouts.

Before he had eaten Micah Richards

With a side of cabbage and potatoes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 14, 2019, 08:15:36 PM
Breaking news Axel Tuanzebe back on loan?

Check out this video....start at 7: 36 minutes



I can't see it unless its a loan to buy and how many defenders do we need?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 14, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
Breaking news Axel Tuanzebe back on loan?

Check out this video....start at 7: 36 minutes



I can't see it unless its a loan to buy and how many defenders do we need?


What a pair of wankers !!!! It's twats like that that make me dislike Newton Heath so very much   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 08:39:37 PM
We don't need Axel. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 08:48:04 PM
The video is only a few hours old so very interesting “breaking news” if true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 14, 2019, 08:54:36 PM
We don't need Axel. 

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 14, 2019, 09:02:57 PM
We really don’t.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 09:08:20 PM
Maybe we are going 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 14, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
Could only see it if Smith's got ideas for one of the others (i.e. Konsa at right back?) and maybe selling Taylor and using Hause as cover for LB

But really, no. We don't need him now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 09:49:38 PM
I’d rather have Axel back on loan than not. Retains more continuity from last season and we don’t know how any of the new signings will settle in. He’s also versatile so could cover at RB or as DM.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 14, 2019, 10:30:38 PM
Maybe we are going 3 at the back.

I mentioned this a couple of days ago and the fact we’re signing so many centre backs certainly supports the theory. I guess the way we line up in the forthcoming friendlies will be quite revealing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 10:37:03 PM
What formations did Dean use at Walsall and Brentford? Last season was all about using the right tactics and formation for a squad he inherited, but he now has the opportunity and luxury to create the team of his own vision. Is he the kind of manager to switch formations and tactics against certain opposition or will he stick with a tried and tested formula?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2019, 10:39:20 PM
I fucking hate five at the back or three at the back. Yuck. No. Season ticket money back. Fuck no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 10:40:24 PM
We've never played 343 though. I don't want us too either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 10:44:15 PM
Whilst I largely side with the previous two posters, I find my views are somewhat tempered by who's the man in charge these days of said formation. I'm not prepared to dismiss it out of hand.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 14, 2019, 10:49:31 PM
A back three? if it's the version that gets us a 4th place finish a league cup and a win over Newton Heath. I could grin and bear it.

If it's the Gregory version, Eeesh count me out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinEaton on July 14, 2019, 11:02:44 PM
One things for sure, if Axel does come back Man U will only allow it if he’s going to get game time, otherwise there is no benefit to them or him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2019, 11:19:06 PM
Yep, forget the talk of Axel as cover, he won't be warming our bench when he can do that at Old Trafford. We don't need him now, get the goalie/striker/winger in that we do still need and put our business to bed long before Jim White slams the transfer window shut with his Big Ben gong erection.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 14, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
A back three? if it's the version that gets us a 4th place finish a league cup and a win over Newton Heath. I could grin and bear it.

If it's the Gregory version, Eeesh count me out.

But if it's the original SGT version, count me in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2019, 11:53:51 PM
If we were in for Tuanzebe, I would say buy him outright or don’t bring him in at all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2019, 11:54:41 PM
Yep, forget the talk of Axel as cover, he won't be warming our bench when he can do that at Old Trafford. We don't need him now, get the goalie/striker/winger in that we do still need and put our business to bed long before Jim White slams the transfer window shut with his Big Ben gong erection.



Jim White on any given deadline day....

"Oooo Eamonn, Harry is on the phone, HOLD THAT THOUGHT because Harry, yes Harry is on the phone Eamonn. Have you creamed yourself as much as I have here Eamonn? Harry you are live on Sky Sports, have you farted today Harry... "

He really is utterly insufferable isn't he. And that bald headed fella that does the rumours all the time - like a bad QVC sales person after a last gig. There was a golden age of SS News, but it has sadly long past.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
I’ll be praying for a eventless transfer deadline day. It would be great to get all of our signings done by the end of the month. We don’t need that fucking circus and the desperation that comes with it. Obviously I wish it as easy as that and maybe we will need to be involved but I hope not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2019, 12:06:01 AM
If you ever hear that we paid too much for Mings, apparently Leicester are planning to spend FORTY-FIVE MILLION POUNDS on Lewis Dunk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2019, 12:12:56 AM
45 million for a decent Championship level defender.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2019, 12:15:39 AM
I doubt we'll be going 3 at the back (other than as a game chasing tactic) and I really can't see Tuanzebe coming back. I'd have a real problem with us signing 4 centre backs in the window and then deciding to add a loanee ahead of 3 of them, that wouldn't scream confidence in the abilities of those players, particularly Hause and Engels. Talk of him covering Right Back and DM doesn't feel right either, we've just signed Konsa who can do that and is actually our player. I honestly think that, assuming Douglas, Engels and Trezeguet happen) we're only really a keeper and striker away from being done this window. We could possibly add another left winger but I don't think we will in this window (because I'd use Kodjia for that).  Maupay and Heaton/Etheridge/Butland/Etc and I'd be very happy with the shape of the squad. Longer term we'd still have some poorer players to look for upgrades on (Taylor, Lansbury, Hogan, BB, Kodjia?, Elmo?) but I'm happy for them to be squad filler for a year because shifting them off the books this summer would be hard and I don't want another bomb squad situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 12:16:08 AM
Utter madness. It’s got to the point that the price of the player no longer represents his worth with the exception of a few. I think for the most part our business has been really sensible. Especially if we can lock up Douglas, the Brazil U23 captain for what will appear a paltry fee of £15m and Engels for £7m. £22m versus the reported combined £55-£60m for Philipps and Webster. Leicester proved buying Kante, Mahrez and even Maguire that you can be really smart in the market. Not anymore I guess if this is true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 12:20:54 AM
I suspect Smith rates Lansbury. If he can stay fit long enough, I think he'll be given a chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 15, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
Breaking news Axel Tuanzebe back on loan?

Check out this video....start at 7: 36 minutes



I can't see it unless its a loan to buy and how many defenders do we need?

Utter madness. It’s got to the point that the price of the player no longer represents his worth with the exception of a few. I think for the most part our business has been really sensible. Especially if we can lock up Douglas, the Brazil U23 captain for what will appear a paltry fee of £15m and Engels for £7m. £22m versus the reported combined £55-£60m for Philipps and Webster. Leicester proved buying Kante, Mahrez and even Maguire that you can be really smart in the market. Not anymore I guess if this is true.

If it's true
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 01:42:54 AM
It’s been reported in a few places so there might be something in it. Leicester fans don’t seem too thrilled

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/119497-dunk/#comments
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 15, 2019, 09:06:16 AM
Haven’t they agreed £80m with Man Utd for Maguire? They can expect all their transfer fees to be inflated with that incoming, but it’s exactly these kind of mental deals that impact and distort the transfer fees across the board including players being over priced in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 09:09:55 AM
It’s been reported in a few places so there might be something in it. Leicester fans don’t seem too thrilled

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/119497-dunk/#comments

"Thought this thread was going to be about biscuits."

Glad to see that they're just the same as us :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 15, 2019, 09:13:54 AM
Chester's 5'9

He is 5'11 according the the Villa Official stats.

I have met Chester before and we are similar on height. I am 6 feet tall.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2019, 09:30:51 AM
Can anyone that knows Chelts confirm that he's six-foot? I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm currently sat on a tram with a bloke who always said he was 5'11" on those temporary passports you used to be able to get until the woman in the post office pulled him up on it...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 15, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
Can anyone that knows Chelts confirm that he's six-foot? I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm currently sat on a tram with a bloke who always said he was 5'11" on those temporary passports you used to be able to get until the woman in the post office pulled him up on it...

He is, and a very nice bloke too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 15, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Not transfer related but poor old Stevie Bruce has apparently resigned...I bet the Wednesday fans love him all the more now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 11:04:26 AM
He's going to get roasted up there  - and at half the salary Wednesday were paying him. They're going mental on the Toon sites
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 15, 2019, 11:08:50 AM
Can anyone that knows Chelts confirm that he's six-foot? I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm currently sat on a tram with a bloke who always said he was 5'11" on those temporary passports you used to be able to get until the woman in the post office pulled him up on it...

He is, and a very nice bloke too.

He should buy The Bartons. I'm sure he almost loves there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2019, 11:22:53 AM
Can anyone that knows Chelts confirm that he's six-foot? I'm not saying he isn't, but I'm currently sat on a tram with a bloke who always said he was 5'11" on those temporary passports you used to be able to get until the woman in the post office pulled him up on it...

He is, and a very nice bloke too.

He should buy The Bartons. I'm sure he almost loves there.
Almost loves? - as in "I really, really, really fancy you; but ..."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 11:38:19 AM
He's going to get roasted up there  - and at half the salary Wednesday were paying him. They're going mental on the Toon sites

How does that work? You go from managing a Championship side to a Premier League side and you get a big pay cut? Football is truly bonkers at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
He's going to get roasted up there  - and at half the salary Wednesday were paying him. They're going mental on the Toon sites

How does that work? You go from managing a Championship side to a Premier League side and you get a big pay cut? Football is truly bonkers at the moment.

Just shows he must have been on absolutely silly money at Wednesday. Mugs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 15, 2019, 11:44:55 AM
He's going to get roasted up there  - and at half the salary Wednesday were paying him. They're going mental on the Toon sites

How does that work? You go from managing a Championship side to a Premier League side and you get a big pay cut? Football is truly bonkers at the moment.

Just shows he must have been on absolutely silly money at Wednesday. Mugs.

Apparently £1m a year at Newcastle. One sixth of what Rafa was getting. He gets a bonus for 17th.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
yes, I think his deal at Wednesday was £2m a year and Ashley being Ashley, he's offered £1m but with the bonus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 11:49:19 AM
Wonder what sort of money Dean is on at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 15, 2019, 11:53:53 AM
Steve Bruce, promotion specialist. I assume he'll add this one to his CV.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2019, 12:01:54 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2019, 12:03:52 PM
Wonder if he will start after his summer holiday, his autumn holiday or Christmas?

The rewards for failure in football are breathtaking.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 15, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
RHM to Tranmere on loan doing the rounds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 15, 2019, 12:12:13 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

There or thereabouts on the twitter (https://twitter.com/search?q=steve%20bruce&src=typed_query&f=live)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 15, 2019, 12:18:14 PM
Let's not stain a wonderful uplifting thread with news of that failed fat tw*t
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2019, 12:25:52 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=103091.3175

128 page thread. Sample comments:

"Surely, even at Newcastle, he can't get away with this. f*** off a club that have treated you brilliantly to be a lapdog for Ashley, as the lowest paid manager in the league. Your budget is pretty much zero and your objective is to finish 4th bottom. The majority of the north of England now hate you.

Enjoy Steve"

"He'll fit in well, the stocking filled with mash potato faced prick.

Wouldn't waste any time making the conversation about him though, another Pardew-style fall guy is exactly what Ashley wants and exactly what Bruce is happy being. No problem at all with being absolutely despised by the city he pretends he loves. The scabbiest c*** going."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Does anyone know if a journalist has asked him, since our promotion, how that reflects on the job he did here?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 12:30:49 PM
"Former Sheffield United manager Steve Bruce resigns from Sheffield Wednesday job as the former Sunderland manager gets ready to take over at Newcastle. Anyone would think the former Birmingham and Aston Villa manager didn't care much for footballing loyalty."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 12:35:18 PM
"Former Sheffield United manager Steve Bruce resigns from Sheffield Wednesday job as the former Sunderland manager gets ready to take over at Newcastle. Anyone would think the former Birmingham and Aston Villa manager didn't care much for footballing loyalty."

Didn’t the fat prick walk out on the Noses to manage Wigan, walk out on someone else to manage Palace and do the same to Hull? I’m probably exaggerating but I’m sure one of those is right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2019, 12:35:53 PM
"Former Sheffield United manager Steve Bruce resigns from Sheffield Wednesday job as the former Sunderland manager gets ready to take over at Newcastle. Anyone would think the former Birmingham and Aston Villa manager didn't care much for footballing loyalty."

It's almost as if he likes having the excuses for being disliked already lined up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2019, 12:48:56 PM
The key thing is that it will weaken Newcastle, I would have expected them to be similar to us next season with Benitez in charge but they will be weaker than us with Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 15, 2019, 12:55:37 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=103091.3175


That is comedy gold, what a fucking welcome he is in for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 15, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
Steve Cotteril to Monk?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=103091.3175


That is comedy gold, what a fucking welcome he is in for.
"From Rafa to Steve Bruce. Rafa the Spanish Waiter, to Steve Bruce the Gravy Chugging Greggs Connoisseur" ... nice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 15, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?

Houllier to McLeish...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 15, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?

Houllier to McLeish...

Beat me to it.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2019, 01:28:18 PM
So I think Benitez is a bit better than Houillier, though McLeish is definitely worse than Bruce so it's a tricky one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 15, 2019, 01:43:22 PM
I saw Mike Ashley land his helicopter at Moor Lane this morning and get driven off towards VP.

And yes before you ask this is 100% true.

I wonder if he is here to meet Bruce?! Hopefully it's nothing to do with villa unless we are in for a Newcastle player...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
I saw Mike Ashley land his helicopter at Moor Lane this morning and get driven off towards VP.

And yes before you ask this is 100% true.

I wonder if he is here to meet Bruce?! Hopefully it's nothing to do with villa unless we are in for a Newcastle player...

Wha...

He better not be trying to poach Terry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
we've nothing to crow about in view of our managerial fuck ups over the past few years though have we?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 15, 2019, 01:53:05 PM
Marvelous Nakamba bid of 10 million Euros. Bruges don't want to accept it, Nakamba refusing to play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
isn't he still excused though because of the ACN? I also saw that Swansea had rejected a £15m bid from Sheffield United for McBurnie - if so there's no way Brentford would allow Maupay to go for similar money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 02:01:16 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?
Yes Bruce to Smith.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?
Yes Bruce to Smith.

I love Deano and I think he's great but he's not better than Benitez. Different but not better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 15, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
isn't he still excused though because of the ACN? I also saw that Swansea had rejected a £15m bid from Sheffield United for McBurnie - if so there's no way Brentford would allow Maupay to go for similar money.
He only played one game for them against Egypt on the 21st and wasn't in any of the squads from then on. It doesn't say he hasn't turned up or gone AWOL, just he doesn't want to play for them anymore.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?
Yes Bruce to Smith.

I love Deano and I think he's great but he's not better than Benitez. Different but not better.
Yes as you say. I wasn't totally serious.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 02:14:20 PM
isn't he still excused though because of the ACN? I also saw that Swansea had rejected a £15m bid from Sheffield United for McBurnie - if so there's no way Brentford would allow Maupay to go for similar money.

It also sounds like Plan B, like they've conceded defeat to somebody else in their pursuit of Maupay.

Oh and I think Benitez is very over-rated. He's very good at organising a defence and playing defensive football but that's his limit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
It might be the biggest drop in manager quality in recent times. Can anyone think of a bigger gap than Benitez to Bruce?
Yes Bruce to Smith.

I love Deano and I think he's great but he's not better than Benitez. Different but not better.

Alex Ferguson to David Moyes
Gerard Houllier to Alex McLeish
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 15, 2019, 02:32:17 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=103091.3175

128 page thread. Sample comments:

"Surely, even at Newcastle, he can't get away with this. f*** off a club that have treated you brilliantly to be a lapdog for Ashley, as the lowest paid manager in the league. Your budget is pretty much zero and your objective is to finish 4th bottom. The majority of the north of England now hate you.

Enjoy Steve"

"He'll fit in well, the stocking filled with mash potato faced prick.

Wouldn't waste any time making the conversation about him though, another Pardew-style fall guy is exactly what Ashley wants and exactly what Bruce is happy being. No problem at all with being absolutely despised by the city he pretends he loves. The scabbiest c*** going."

Steve Bruce the Gravy Chugging Greggs Connoisseur :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2019, 02:35:30 PM
isn't he still excused though because of the ACN? I also saw that Swansea had rejected a £15m bid from Sheffield United for McBurnie - if so there's no way Brentford would allow Maupay to go for similar money.

It also sounds like Plan B, like they've conceded defeat to somebody else in their pursuit of Maupay.

Oh and I think Benitez is very over-rated. He's very good at organising a defence and playing defensive football but that's his limit.


It might be a while ago now but his achievements with Valencia are the stuff of legend. He also kick-started the modern Napoli playing a style quite different to what he's known for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 15, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
Please can we keep this to our exciting transfers rather than Fistface, Rafa and the Jawdees.....there's another thread below for that and one in other football (the correct place!!)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
Does anyone who occasionally visit other teams' forums (weirdos!) have a summary of the funniest reactions from Geordies and Owls?  Guess Twitter would be a quicker way of checking.

There or thereabouts on the twitter (https://twitter.com/search?q=steve%20bruce&src=typed_query&f=live)


Some brutally honest criticism on there and also some very funny piss takes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2019, 02:44:28 PM
Marvelous Nakamba bid of 10 million Euros. Bruges don't want to accept it, Nakamba refusing to play.

Bruges again?! Are they the Brentford of Belgium that we just can't stop staring at?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 02:45:48 PM
isn't he still excused though because of the ACN? I also saw that Swansea had rejected a £15m bid from Sheffield United for McBurnie - if so there's no way Brentford would allow Maupay to go for similar money.

It also sounds like Plan B, like they've conceded defeat to somebody else in their pursuit of Maupay.

Oh and I think Benitez is very over-rated. He's very good at organising a defence and playing defensive football but that's his limit.


It might be a while ago now but his achievements with Valencia are the stuff of legend. He also kick-started the modern Napoli playing a style quite different to what he's known for.


I was living in Tenerife when he kept them in La Liga two seasons running, beating Real Madrid on the last day of the season to stay up both times. He is a legend at Las Amarillas.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 15, 2019, 02:58:15 PM
Fat Spanish Waiter...
you're just a fat Spanish waiter...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 15, 2019, 03:00:26 PM
Back onto the thread topic.

3pm and we haven't signed anyone today: sack the board!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 15, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
I think we will get an announcement between 5 and 6pm. #Believe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
I think we will get an announcement between 5 and 6pm. #Believe

Minnesota's only waking up ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on July 15, 2019, 03:48:03 PM
Back onto the thread topic.

3pm and we haven't signed anyone today: sack the board!

I was thinking the other day, i actually expect to come back from lunch everyday now to at least a signing or big breaking news. Not sure if this is sustainable!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on July 15, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Steve Bruce weighs 22st 5lbs 2oz.  Or thereabouts.

His weight is up and down like a fiddler's elbow.much like local MP TWatson aka Fatberg Slim.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2019, 04:08:55 PM
I think we will get an announcement between 5 and 6pm. #Believe

Minnesota's only waking up ;)
It’s 10.08 over here. CT.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 15, 2019, 04:09:30 PM
Nakamba ‘will do everything’ to make the transfer happen. Aston Villa are thought to be annoyed at Club Brugge ‘flip-flopping’ their stance on Nakamba’s transfer.Marvellous Nakamba feels Club Brugge have ‘disrespected’ him by not accepting Aston Villa’s bid of €10m. [le soir]
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 04:11:56 PM
I think we will get an announcement between 5 and 6pm. #Believe

Minnesota's only waking up ;)
It’s 10.08 over here. CT.

16:11 here currently
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 15, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
How much of all of this is true is up for debate but you can imagine behind the scenes clubs constantly fucking around AKA posturing and negotiating to change fees, prices, terms, not just with a buyer but with players and agents. I’m sure we do it too. In a world where video games makes it easy to buy and sell players, and in a time of 24/7 news updates where little actually happens probably why it feels like it takes forever sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 04:13:11 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.

We don’t know that though. He could be or his club might be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 15, 2019, 04:14:35 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.
Sounds a bit like the Benteke situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 15, 2019, 04:19:38 PM
Are the Villa transfer negotiating team in the USA or the UK? Engels deal has gone quiet?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
I don't agree with players refusing to do their job to force deals. Unless it's a case where they're being actively mistreated by a club, there is no excuse for basically going on strike. Mad stuff considering how well paid these professionals are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 15, 2019, 04:22:27 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.

We don’t know that though. He could be or his club might be.
As soon as someone starts talking about disrespect you know they're an arsehole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 15, 2019, 04:27:13 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.

We don’t know that though. He could be or his club might be.
As soon as someone starts talking about disrespect you know they're an arsehole.

And refusing to train? Arseholery of the highest order
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2019, 04:33:48 PM
Although if he has been promised the move of his lifetime and then they've moved the goalposts or broken a promise, you could understand his frustration. Not that it's necessarily the best way to go about it. Then again, if it means we end up getting a good player, I'm not too arsed. We have suffered from our own players agitating for a move enough times. I could live with us being the Billy Big Bollocks club that unsettles players, for a change.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.

We don’t know that though. He could be or his club might be.
As soon as someone starts talking about disrespect you know they're an arsehole.

And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
An article by the excellent Seb Stafford-Bloor on why we're not 'doing a Fulham'
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-summer-transfer-spending-fulham-201819
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 15, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

He doesn't know why, he just does.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
An article by the excellent Seb Stafford-Bloor on why we're not 'doing a Fulham'
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-summer-transfer-spending-fulham-201819

Yep, good write-up. Loses a couple of points for seemingly not realising that Smith's experience of Jota extends a fair bit further than seeing him "in opposition plenty of times".

But that's a minor nitpick.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
An article by the excellent Seb Stafford-Bloor on why we're not 'doing a Fulham'
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-summer-transfer-spending-fulham-201819


Good article but misses the point that a lot of our business has been done early on so that a number of them will have a whole pre-season together. Whereas Fulham were still stumbling around on deadline day, any business we do is likely to be minimal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2019, 05:50:06 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

He doesn't know why, he just does.

He's not following me, the bastard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2019, 06:07:11 PM
I'm not sure that Deano will want players striking to get a move as what goes around comes around.  When we win the league and he wants to go to Barcelona and strikes on us! Nope, not a clever thing to do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2019, 06:11:03 PM
I'm not sure that Deano will want players striking to get a move as what goes around comes around.  When we win the league and he wants to go to Barcelona and strikes on us! Nope, not a clever thing to do.

If he's good enough to win the league and go to Barca then frankly I wouldn't care if he's walking naked round Bruges wiping his arse with the Belgian flag.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 06:20:49 PM
An article by the excellent Seb Stafford-Bloor on why we're not 'doing a Fulham'
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-summer-transfer-spending-fulham-201819

Yep, good write-up. Loses a couple of points for seemingly not realising that Smith's experience of Jota extends a fair bit further than seeing him "in opposition plenty of times".

But that's a minor nitpick.


It is very complimentary and positive about us, as is much of the media at the moment. As for Captain Marvel, it is good to see he is so keen to join us but worrying if he is someone who might be disruptive.  I would imagine we would sell a few shirts with 'Marvelous' printed on the back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2019, 06:28:37 PM
I think this is the first Monday for a while where we haven't announced a signing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 15, 2019, 06:39:54 PM
Nakamba looks like a good athlete and not afraid to put a foot in.  With him and Luiz we can afford to offload the likes of Barney and Angela
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2019, 06:40:03 PM
I think this is the first Monday for a while where we haven't announced a signing!

(yet)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 06:58:00 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

He’s not. It’s a site devoted to Pork Loins.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2019, 07:40:03 PM
An article by the excellent Seb Stafford-Bloor on why we're not 'doing a Fulham'
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/aston-villa-summer-transfer-spending-fulham-201819

Yep, good write-up. Loses a couple of points for seemingly not realising that Smith's experience of Jota extends a fair bit further than seeing him "in opposition plenty of times".

But that's a minor nitpick.

Hmm, he must have heard you as I can't see that line. Instead, it reads more accurately "Dean Smith coached Jota over several year at Brentford, he briefly managed the 21-year-old Ezri Konsa too..."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 15, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
Another positive article on our business so far (https://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-accusing-villa-of-doing-a-fulham-is-lazy-nonsense). Absolutely nothing can go wrong from here, right?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2019, 07:52:15 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?
He wants to 'go again'.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
Fulham way overspent in areas where they were already strong. When they went up I actually thought their midfield trio of McDonald-Johansen-Cairney was the best in the championship. Maybe it would've flopped in the prem but I'd have given it until January. Instead they spent nearly 30m on Zambo Anguisa from Marseille who totally flopped and Jean Seri for 25m who's a decent player but struggled to impose himself, bit like Gana for us.

Also at left back you could've just put Sessegnon there for some games or signed some old head. Instead they pinched Joe Bryan from us and also signed Le Marchand from Nice for 15m who again made little impression.

In goal Bettenelli was arguably good enough to play in prem but they signed two keepers from La Liga, one only made two appearences and was then binned off.

Difference is Fulham spent when arguably half their team was already good enough for premier league, we've had to spent because we released eight at the end of the season so we didn't have much more than 11 senior outfield players. Guess in that situation you'd rather get in as many potential first 11 players as possible rather than just get loads of expensive squad players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 08:11:12 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

Those are my initials too, PWS. I'll have you know that Marvelous and I are at this very moment holidaying in a salubrious static caravan near the Welsh border. I am paying him a lot of respect.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 15, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

Those are my initials too, PWS. I'll have you know that Marvelous and I are at this very moment holidaying in a salubrious static caravan near the Welsh border. I am paying him a lot of respect.

Mr Warman has been in touch and says he hopes that you'll leave it tidier than when you were respecting the Djemba twins there. Took him ages to shift the curious, stubborn staining on the velour banquette.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 15, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.
Sounds a bit like the Benteke situation.
I’d like another arsehole like Benteke  ( Not that he’s carrying a spare )
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 09:41:10 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

Those are my initials too, PWS. I'll have you know that Marvelous and I are at this very moment holidaying in a salubrious static caravan near the Welsh border. I am paying him a lot of respect.

Mr Warman has been in touch and says he hopes that you'll leave it tidier than when you were respecting the Djemba twins there. Took him ages to shift the curious, stubborn staining on the velour banquette.

The Djemba twins swore they were on the pill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 15, 2019, 10:10:28 PM
And apparently he’s now following Wesley, PL and Villa on Twitter. Fuck me I’ve gone all Eastie.

Why is he following Paul Lambert?

Those are my initials too, PWS. I'll have you know that Marvelous and I are at this very moment holidaying in a salubrious static caravan near the Welsh border. I am paying him a lot of respect.

Mr Warman has been in touch and says he hopes that you'll leave it tidier than when you were respecting the Djemba twins there. Took him ages to shift the curious, stubborn staining on the velour banquette.

The Djemba twins swore they were on the pill.

No matter how sore the twins' bosoms might have been, Haliborange is not and has never been "the pill."

Even the pharmacies in Oswestry know that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 10:17:54 PM
Ah. It's possible that perhaps I sold them a pill and that's where the confusion lies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 15, 2019, 11:11:09 PM
That makes much more sense.

Bob said he nearly sold the static after that, couldn't look Ann Nankivel in the eye for a long time. She had to throw that lovely cardigan away in the end.

Thank goodness he talked himself round.

On which note, hope Marvellous is being Wonderful (or vice versa). Do you need anything picked up from Saverite? Lube? Doritos? Outline contract agreement?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 11:14:47 PM
Just ask if hey have anything for carpet burns. And a butterscotch Angel Delight for the dog.








Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 15, 2019, 11:16:55 PM
Roger that.

(hurr hurr)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2019, 08:06:52 AM
Twitter saying Engles to be announced today after his transfer completed- he is already training with the squad apparently.
Also saying that Doug has received a work permit so that should be concluded soon also.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 16, 2019, 08:23:29 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 16, 2019, 08:45:55 AM
Hopefully today we will be able to say that the "Engles has landed"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 16, 2019, 08:53:59 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok

Did he? He was pushing for a move to Spurs after 1 decent season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 16, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
Another very good podcast from the Tifo lot dealing with the 3 promoted teams.  As with the two articles posted earlier it's refreshing to know there are (non fan) football journalists out there that really understand the clubs they are writing / talking about.  The Villa part is first, but the whole pod is interesting listening. 

Spoiler - they don't think 'we're doing a Fulham,' they do think we've generally done decent business but even so they seem to think we will find it difficult to stay up.

https://twitter.com/TifoFootball_/status/1151016110528970752

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 16, 2019, 08:57:06 AM
And “Hey Duggee!”

Too much toddler TV is interfering with my mind. I’m in Union meetings all day but will keep my eyes open on the headlines - I just feel today will be a big day for some reason.

Chris
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2019, 09:07:44 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok

Did he? He was pushing for a move to Spurs after 1 decent season.

He pushed so hard he was with us for another two years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 09:09:37 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok

Did he? He was pushing for a move to Spurs after 1 decent season.

He pushed so hard he was with us for another two years.

And signed a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 09:11:32 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok

Did he? He was pushing for a move to Spurs after 1 decent season.

He pushed so hard he was with us for another two years.

And signed a new contract.

So did Fabian Delph. What's your point?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 09:12:55 AM
Not sure I like the sound of the Marvelous attitude IF the reports are to believed, I would have thought that sort of thing would make our hierarchy a bit wary?

Didn't Benteke do something similar? he turned out ok

Did he? He was pushing for a move to Spurs after 1 decent season.

He pushed so hard he was with us for another two years.

And signed a new contract.

So did Fabian Delph.

Benteke stayed here for longer than a week after he signed his.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 09:16:13 AM
He still submitted a transfer request to leave. After trying to leave before. And he eventually left as soon as a big club actually submitted a bid. He clearly didn't want to be at the Villa and IMO he was in the wrong. If you're defending player power and individuals who agitate for moves despite being on decent contracts then I firmly disagree.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
We got very good money for him and he was superb for us. No, it's not ideal when players do that but comparing him to Delph is a bit odd.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2019, 09:23:52 AM
He'd been here three years and we'd been unremittingly shite for all but about six weeks of that. I'd call that loyalty rather than anything else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2019, 09:29:51 AM
Let’s face it, they are all human and if they want to better themselves at a different club it’s best to just let them go.
Of course we won’t agree with it because it’s like they are turning their back on our club, but they are not fans. They are players who are trying to make as much money as they can and maybe win things in the process.

I think I’d rather have a Benteke (or delph for that matter) who decides they need to move on for whatever reason than a cockroach like Michah Richards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
Anyone with aspirations of bigger things wants more than to be the biggest fish in a small (and rather contaminated) pond. They want to push themselves with the best. Benteke wanted the best for himself and went for it. Poor sod got found out.

Delph should never have said and done what he did.

I don't blame any player wanting the best for themselves. I don't blame clubs for trying to protect their position and charging what they can either. Sometimes it goes a bit wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nev on July 16, 2019, 09:44:56 AM
It's not players leaving but the way they leave.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 16, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
It's not players leaving but the way they leave.

I agree, see Mellberg O.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 09:50:17 AM
It's not players leaving but the way they leave.

I agree, see Mellberg O.

Indeed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2019, 09:57:04 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49000905

Quote
Chelsea's teenage Wales defender Ethan Ampadu is likely to leave the club on loan this season, manager Frank Lampard has confirmed.

The centre-back, 18, has not joined the Premier League club's pre-season tour of Japan in anticipation of a move.

Aston Villa are reportedly interested in signing Ampadu, who has played 12 times for Chelsea's first team.

If Fred and Doug sign, I'm not sure that he's a fit for Villa any more
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 16, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
Ampadu linked again now and lampard says he’s stayed behind from tour to sort loan move. Do u think we have come from extremely light with back 5 or 6 to now being over run and looking too light with attack minded players . ? EspeCially given the fact we have another couple signing in next couple of days ?
Would like to get wingers , attacking mid cover for Jack and SJM and better competition for no9
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
We all dream of a team of Gary Breens.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 16, 2019, 11:03:04 AM
He still submitted a transfer request to leave. After trying to leave before. And he eventually left as soon as a big club actually submitted a bid. He clearly didn't want to be at the Villa and IMO he was in the wrong. If you're defending player power and individuals who agitate for moves despite being on decent contracts then I firmly disagree.
I agree with what you say but, if the player can see that there's no sign of ambition more than maintaining prem status, then he needs to move for his own ambitions.
This has been the problem at VP for nearly as far back as I can remember.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 11:10:58 AM
He still submitted a transfer request to leave. After trying to leave before. And he eventually left as soon as a big club actually submitted a bid. He clearly didn't want to be at the Villa and IMO he was in the wrong. If you're defending player power and individuals who agitate for moves despite being on decent contracts then I firmly disagree.
I agree with what you say but, if the player can see that there's no sign of ambition more than maintaining prem status, then he needs to move for his own ambitions.
This has been the problem at VP for nearly as far back as I can remember.

I appreciate that as a general rule, but he was loved at Villa, and we loved him at the time, and it was difficult reading about a player wanting to leave after striking up a rapport with the fans.

More importantly, he's won no honours since leaving us and arguably came closer / achieved more at Villa - he got an FA Cup Runners-Up medal for us. At Liverpool he was a League Cup runner-up and a Europa League runner-up.

Anyway, back to the original point, this Nakamba fellow sounds like he has a less than Marvelous attitude.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2019, 11:13:22 AM
Reports suggesting 3 or 4 more signings, 1 possibly a loan. Well, if 3 of them are Douglas, Marvellous and Bjorn (as other reports are suggesting will be announced tomorrow with the kit launch) i should hope there will certainly be more than just a loan left as we're still short of quality wide attacking players.
But then again, this is Gregg Evans, not sure he's exactly the final word on such things...?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2019, 11:27:20 AM
Not since it was consensus-ed on H&V that a Greg with two end g's is not to be trusted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 16, 2019, 11:29:52 AM
Not since it was consensus-ed on H&V that a Greg with two end g's is not to be trusted.

isn't he leaving to go 6th form or something ??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 16, 2019, 11:31:40 AM
I'm surprised we're not in for Jarrod Bowen.  Would have thought he'd e a good fit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 11:37:06 AM
I'm surprised we're not in for Jarrod Bowen.  Would have thought he'd e a good fit?

Agreed, good player, young, hungry and has sell-on potential. The touted fee seems peanuts too, if true... but perhaps we've inquired on that basis and been told it's actually much higher than we're willing to pay - would follow a growing pattern.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
It's a bit like that impossible middle ground that needed to be found on players' demeanour.

"That grumpy arse Ayew, scowling the whole time, he should try and look like he's enjoying himself. And that f*****g Bacuna, grinning. Can't he see how bad things are, the whole thing is like a joke to him".

"We should only sign players who really, really want to be here. Not like that guy who is so desperate to join us that he's trying to force a move to do so though. That shows that he wants to be here too much".

Tricky path these players need to tread to keep people happy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 16, 2019, 12:34:10 PM

Tricky path these players need to tread to keep people happy.

They should just ask themselves, "What would Tyrone do?"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 16, 2019, 12:49:34 PM
Sometimes people can form an opinion without the full facts of the situation being known. An agreement gone back on (particularly when it means a lot of money to a player) can make some players react in what can seem to be an unreasonable manner. I am not saying this is the case but just using it as an example. Sometimes it can be better to be up front rather than undermining  solidarity within a group. One of the things to bear in mind that the wages here are far higher than in Belgium.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2019, 01:24:00 PM
The most expensive transfers in Championship history, including one absolute clunker by Villa and another that's not worked out

https://www.squawka.com/en/features/most-expensive-championship-players
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
Often players are completely influenced by their Agents, usually because players are naive and the Agents are anything but.
Agents make money by transfer activity not necessarily what’s best for the player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SW9-VILLA on July 16, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Sometimes people can form an opinion without the full facts of the situation being known.

In football it's most of the time lol
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 16, 2019, 02:10:58 PM
We should offer Celtic £30m in a lump sum for Kieran Tierney. Arsenal have had their £25m instalment bid rejected, according to the BBC. This is the sort of signing that fits our current philosophy and I think we should go for it.

Then Icardi obviously.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
Lampard as said that Ethan Ampadu can go out on a season long loan. Are we still interested?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2019, 02:13:56 PM
we should be - a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
We should offer Celtic £30m in a lump sum for Kieran Tierney. Arsenal have had their £25m instalment bid rejected, according to the BBC. This is the sort of signing that fits our current philosophy and I think we should go for it.

Then Icardi obviously.


If we hadn't signed Targett I'd have said absolutely. He's undoubtedly a talented player but we need attackers now, don't think even we are in a position to sign two left backs for a net spend of 40m+.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2019, 02:25:52 PM
Any news re Trezeguet? Seems to have gone a bit quiet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2019, 02:30:55 PM
Any news re Trezeguet? Seems to have gone a bit quiet.
He is training with his club.
I wonder if he is one of those players Deano was referring to when he said that the club has no contact with some of the names mentioned in the press.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
But... we are gonna get a winger yeah? 😥
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
Any news re Trezeguet? Seems to have gone a bit quiet.
He is training with his club.
I wonder if he is one of those players Deano was referring to when he said that the club has no contact with some of the names mentioned in the press.

Well Smith and Suso were definitely away at AFCON watching someone in that Egypt game. If not Trezequet... hmmm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2019, 02:36:32 PM
Maybe they were watching Elmo...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2019, 03:08:13 PM
Any news re Trezeguet? Seems to have gone a bit quiet.
He is training with his club.
I wonder if he is one of those players Deano was referring to when he said that the club has no contact with some of the names mentioned in the press.

Well Smith and Suso were definitely away at AFCON watching someone in that Egypt game. If not Trezequet... hmmm.

Were they definately at the Egypt game though, i wondered whether they'd gone to AFCON to watch Marvellous? Personally, i've been a fan ever since that fight against Sugar Ray in 1987.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 16, 2019, 03:13:59 PM
This Marvellous Nakamba rumour is picking up again. “Apparently” feels his club have disrespected him by moving the goalposts on a transfer to us. So now he’s refusing to train.
Sounds like an arsehole.

We don’t know that though. He could be or his club might be.
Read that the club have not fined him for not reporting in for training but have written to him to remind him of his responsibilities!? The club is reported to be confident to be able to conclude a deal quickly apparently (which does suggest/support that the player has been told he can go and that there is an issue with the fee). So maybe/maybe not an arsehole?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
Bowen is the guy we ought to be targeting or Maupay, both can play wide or centrally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on July 16, 2019, 04:13:08 PM
Ampadu linked again now and lampard says he’s stayed behind from tour to sort loan move. Do u think we have come from extremely light with back 5 or 6 to now being over run and looking too light with attack minded players . ? EspeCially given the fact we have another couple signing in next couple of days ?
Would like to get wingers , attacking mid cover for Jack and SJM and better competition for no9


Thought we'd said that we were no longer going to take loanees as we didn't see any value in improving other clubs' players

Could only see a benefit to us if the loan deal included an option to buy for a pre agreed price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 16, 2019, 04:37:32 PM
Bowen is the guy we ought to be targeting or Maupay, both can play wide or centrally.

is the right answer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 16, 2019, 05:37:41 PM
Bowen is the guy we ought to be targeting or Maupay, both can play wide or centrally.

is the right answer

Bowen is also worth paying big money for to. If he’s doesn’t become a very good premier league player I will be very surprised.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
Minnesota United kicks off against newly promoted Premier League side Aston Villa this Wednesday, July 17 at 7 p.m. CT. Tune in to watch that game live, with a full broadcasts brought to you by MNUFC

https://www.mnufc.com/post/2019/07/16/live-stream-mnufc-vs-aston-villa-international-friendly

So we will be able to see:

If we are playing 3 at the back?

If we are playing a high press?

Defensive midfield player who dropped in a central defender position  (How Leeds play)

Defensive midfield player who dictates play

Jack as a number 10

Is Jota a wide player or an inside forward?

Is Lansbury finally able to prove himself because he is now fit?

Is Callum O'Hare ready to play with the big boys?

Which two players start at centre back?

Can Scott Hogan regain his scoring touch?

Can Keinan Davis find his scoring touch?

Is Wesley Moraes a player who will lead the line or a deep-lying forward?

Is Matt Targett really that slow?

and who do we still buy so that we can improve the team?

At this stageThere are more questions than answers

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2019, 06:14:09 PM
We should offer Celtic £30m in a lump sum for Kieran Tierney. Arsenal have had their £25m instalment bid rejected, according to the BBC. This is the sort of signing that fits our current philosophy and I think we should go for it.

Then Icardi obviously.

Tierney, not for me. Good young player but wouldn't be surprised if the current hip injury hampers his career. Yes to Ampadu!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
More questions

Is James Chester time with us over?

Is Rushian Hepburn-Murphy made of glass?

How bad is James Bree?

How good is Dominic Revan?

Will Frederic Guilbert be a hit or a miss?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 16, 2019, 06:24:47 PM
Minnesota United kicks off against newly promoted Premier League side Aston Villa this Wednesday, July 17 at 7 p.m. CT. Tune in to watch that game live, with a full broadcasts brought to you by MNUFC

https://www.mnufc.com/post/2019/07/16/live-stream-mnufc-vs-aston-villa-international-friendly

So we will be able to see:

If we are playing 3 at the back?

If we are playing a high press?

Defensive midfield player who dropped in a central defender position  (How Leeds play)

Defensive midfield player who dictates play

Jack as a number 10

Is Jota a wide player or an inside forward?

Is Lansbury finally able to prove himself because he is now fit?

Is Callum O'Hare ready to play with the big boys?

Which two players start at centre back?

Can Scott Hogan regain his scoring touch?

Can Keinan Davis find his scoring touch?

Is Wesley Moraes a player who will lead the line or a deep-lying forward?

Is Matt Targett really that slow?

and who do we still buy so that we can improve the team?

At this stageThere are more questions than answers


Flipping heck, they are only playing for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 06:35:10 PM
Minnesota United kicks off against newly promoted Premier League side Aston Villa this Wednesday, July 17 at 7 p.m. CT. Tune in to watch that game live, with a full broadcasts brought to you by MNUFC

https://www.mnufc.com/post/2019/07/16/live-stream-mnufc-vs-aston-villa-international-friendly

So we will be able to see:

If we are playing 3 at the back?

If we are playing a high press?

Defensive midfield player who dropped in a central defender position  (How Leeds play)

Defensive midfield player who dictates play

Jack as a number 10

Is Jota a wide player or an inside forward?

Is Lansbury finally able to prove himself because he is now fit?

Is Callum O'Hare ready to play with the big boys?

Which two players start at centre back?

Can Scott Hogan regain his scoring touch?

Can Keinan Davis find his scoring touch?

Is Wesley Moraes a player who will lead the line or a deep-lying forward?

Is Matt Targett really that slow?

and who do we still buy so that we can improve the team?

At this stageThere are more questions than answers


Flipping heck, they are only playing for 90 minutes.

Lol......ok but we still should be able to get and an indication of the direction of travel
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 06:48:59 PM
Can Hogan regain his scoring touch?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 06:49:45 PM
Minnesota United kicks off against newly promoted Premier League side Aston Villa this Wednesday, July 17 at 7 p.m. CT. Tune in to watch that game live, with a full broadcasts brought to you by MNUFC

https://www.mnufc.com/post/2019/07/16/live-stream-mnufc-vs-aston-villa-international-friendly

So we will be able to see:

If we are playing 3 at the back?

If we are playing a high press?

Defensive midfield player who dropped in a central defender position  (How Leeds play)

Defensive midfield player who dictates play

Jack as a number 10

Is Jota a wide player or an inside forward?

Is Lansbury finally able to prove himself because he is now fit?

Is Callum O'Hare ready to play with the big boys?

Which two players start at centre back?

Can Scott Hogan regain his scoring touch?

Can Keinan Davis find his scoring touch?

Is Wesley Moraes a player who will lead the line or a deep-lying forward?

Is Matt Targett really that slow?

and who do we still buy so that we can improve the team?

At this stageThere are more questions than answers


Flipping heck, they are only playing for 90 minutes.

Lol......ok but we still should be able to get and an indication of the direction of travel

Towards the opposition goal, hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 16, 2019, 07:22:24 PM

Minnesota United kicks off against newly promoted Premier League side Aston Villa this Wednesday, July 17 at 7 p.m. CT. Tune in to watch that game live, with a full broadcasts brought to you by MNUFC

https://www.mnufc.com/post/2019/07/16/live-stream-mnufc-vs-aston-villa-international-friendly

So we will be able to see:

If we are playing 3 at the back?

If we are playing a high press?

Defensive midfield player who dropped in a central defender position  (How Leeds play)

Defensive midfield player who dictates play

Jack as a number 10

Is Jota a wide player or an inside forward?

Is Lansbury finally able to prove himself because he is now fit?

Is Callum O'Hare ready to play with the big boys?

Which two players start at centre back?

Can Scott Hogan regain his scoring touch?

Can Keinan Davis find his scoring touch?

Is Wesley Moraes a player who will lead the line or a deep-lying forward?

Is Matt Targett really that slow?

and who do we still buy so that we can improve the team?

At this stageThere are more questions than answers


Definitely 42
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 16, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
Alan Nixon (@reluctantnicko on Twitter) has said he will have a story online shortly that Brentford are 'trying to buy Marc Bola from Blackpool'.

As he is a left-back, that might mean Rico Henry is on the move. There has been rumoured interest before, though it would be weird to go from one (sometimes shaky) option to 3, or 4 as Hause is also an option. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 16, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
That signing for Brentford would be Bang a gong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 16, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
We may as well buy Bola instead. It'll save us the effort in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 08:27:05 PM
Confirmed Aston Villa sign centre-back Björn Engels

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/07/16/bjorn-engels-signs-for-aston-villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2019, 08:39:52 PM
Alan Nixon (@reluctantnicko on Twitter) has said he will have a story online shortly that Brentford are 'trying to buy Marc Bola from Blackpool'.

As he is a left-back, that might mean Rico Henry is on the move. There has been rumoured interest before, though it would be weird to go from one (sometimes shaky) option to 3, or 4 as Hause is also an option. UTV.
That signing for Brentford would be Bang a gong.

It would certainly bang a gon.

I understand that he moves like a ra, talks like a ca, stings like a be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 09:23:22 PM
More questions

Is James Chester time with us over?

Is Rushian Hepburn-Murphy made of glass?

How bad is James Bree?

How good is Dominic Revan?

Will Frederic Guilbert be a hit or a miss?



Ffs stop writing Chessie off!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
Chester looks fighting fit in the video's and photo's.  The jumping exercise between the mannequins, on the video, would put a lot of stress on the knees, so he must be in reasonable shape.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2019, 09:31:56 PM
Chester certainly looked sharp in the training videos. Doesn’t mean he is game ready.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 09:37:07 PM
More questions

Is James Chester time with us over?

Is Rushian Hepburn-Murphy made of glass?

How bad is James Bree?

How good is Dominic Revan?

Will Frederic Guilbert be a hit or a miss?



Ffs stop writing Chessie off!!

Sorry just asking the question......We have 74 centre backs and you know that Steve Bruce loves him and he would walk into any championship club who would give him a 3-year contract when he only has one year left with us.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2019, 09:47:13 PM
Londonvilla, Steve Bruce isn't at a Championship club!  You're right about Chester walking into any Champ club though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Londonvilla, Steve Bruce isn't at a Championship club!  You're right about Chester walking into any Champ club though.

You know what I mean he was at Sheffield Wednesday and now he's at Newcastle and he likes to have all his favourites around him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 16, 2019, 10:27:27 PM
Londonvilla, Steve Bruce isn't at a Championship club!  You're right about Chester walking into any Champ club though.

You know what I mean he was at Sheffield Wednesday and now he's at Newcastle and he likes to have all his favourites around him


I don't know if it is a case of Bruce constantly surrounding himself with his favourite players or more the fact that he has signed so many players for so many clubs in his journeyman managerial career that there are very few players in English football who he hasn't managed at some point!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
You would need to be pretty desperate to swap Villa  for Steve Bruce’s Toon Army.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 16, 2019, 10:47:39 PM
You would need to be pretty desperate to swap Villa  for Steve Bruce’s Toon Army.

Not if you are injured and a mug is going to give you a 4 year contact.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
Interesting point though. If Bruce becomes the Noocassil manager I wonder will he sniff around the likes of Chester and as Footy Skills (whither to, btw?) refers to, his "Egyptian son", Elmo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 17, 2019, 05:48:41 AM
Londonvilla, Steve Bruce isn't at a Championship club!
Well, give it 9 months ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2019, 07:12:51 AM
Londonvilla, Steve Bruce isn't at a Championship club!
Well, give it 9 months ...

Seven should do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
When do we send them down?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 08:25:13 AM
You mean when do we funeral them?

I thought promotion might bring back some of H&V's cheerful global comrades (Saranyu, Tsvet, SeattleVillain, er Villadawg) but it seems they all have fulfilling lives. Bastards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2019, 08:46:40 AM
When do we send them down?

As soon as possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
Does the SSN transfer window countdown really need to have minutes, seconds...and 1/100th second?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 17, 2019, 10:19:24 AM
Footy Skills (whither to, btw?)
I believe he has resumed his role playing Milhouse in the Simpsons.
In a strange way I rather miss his garbled nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on July 17, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
I don't
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
I do  - but I thought he'd gone off in a public huff a few months ago?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 17, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
Does the SSN transfer window countdown really need to have minutes, seconds...and 1/100th second?!

Agree, the one hundredth digit you can't read it anyway!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2019, 11:34:26 AM
Maupay next hopefully


or Bowen as a complete suprise

I bet Bruce will go for Reach at Weds , suprised he doesnt get mentioned much . Reach I mean .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2019, 11:54:46 AM
Reach and Bowen are the other ones that stood out for Championship level for me. Possibly Ollie Watkins @ Brentford as well. Like how he runs at players but he also has a bit of a competitive streak and not afraid to get stuck in.  In a team that wants to press as we do, you need that sort.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 17, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
Bowen reminds me of SJM a bit - in fact when we played them he won the ball in their half and ran straight out, to be followed by one SJM - they looked like twins when they ran.

Maupay would probably make the step up.

I can't help thinking we need at least someone who can eke something out of a premiership defence and knows the current defenders weaknesses -I'm not sure there's anyone available though who isn't a classic Bruce signing though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 17, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
I watched a few minutes of that transfer show on Sky Sports the other day, all they talk about is Man Utd and other top 4 clubs, waste of time watching, all the presenters do is have there mobile phones on the desk, and keep looking at them as though they have some breaking transfer news, but in reality they are probably looking at Tinder!

Also since the slow demise of Man Utd out of the top 4, why do they know call them part of the big 6, if they finished 10th, would they call them part of the big 10??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
Footy Skills (whither to, btw?)
I believe he has resumed his role playing Milhouse in the Simpsons.
In a strange way I rather miss his garbled nonsense.
What happened to him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2019, 12:42:57 PM
The Paul Pogba saga is just another version of the Yaya Toure borefest which we had to endure every year until he finally buggered off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2019, 12:47:12 PM
Saw a report about Manure in OZ. OGS has really lost the plot, saying they need a Brian Robson with Robbson standing next to him.
He has been extending contracts, is thinking of making Pogba captain and making ridiculous bids for average players.
This could be a fun time to watch Manure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Have we signed anyone today?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Reach and Bowen are the other ones that stood out for Championship level for me. Possibly Ollie Watkins @ Brentford as well. Like how he runs at players but he also has a bit of a competitive streak and not afraid to get stuck in.  In a team that wants to press as we do, you need that sort.


Bowen had a great spell last season which coincided with Hull's good run of form. But I don't remember him impressing me previously. Would we be signing a half season wonder?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
No, he was the best player at VP the last time Gabby scored for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
From what I've seen of Bowen I think he's a very positive player who likes to take people on but probably doesn't have the extra bit of brilliance to beat his man consistently to be effective in the premier league. A bit like Spuds signing clarke, I think a bigger team that can sign him with no intention of playing him for 6-12 months will be willing to gamble in the hope that they can work on his passing and crossing and make him more difficult to isolate but for us he'd probably expect to be a regular part of the squad and he's not ready for that, in my opinion.

I do like him though and I think he could be a very good player in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 17, 2019, 02:18:07 PM
Dan Crowley going to the scum, how the mighty have fallen 😳
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 17, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Who the fucks Dan Crowley ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 17, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
Footy Skills (whither to, btw?)
I believe he has resumed his role playing Milhouse in the Simpsons.
In a strange way I rather miss his garbled nonsense.
What happened to him?
As far as I remember he got criticised for being patronising ( and wrong) , got very emotional and flounced off in a huff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 17, 2019, 02:44:28 PM
Footy Skills (whither to, btw?)
I believe he has resumed his role playing Milhouse in the Simpsons.
In a strange way I rather miss his garbled nonsense.
What happened to him?
As far as I remember he got criticised for being patronising ( and wrong) , got very emotional and flounced off in a huff.

‘Flounced off in a huff’  he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last

the funniest ones are the flouncers who say they are flouncing off but keep flouncing back a few times before they finally flounce off for good
Some of them sometimes flounce right back in again
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
Who the fucks Dan Crowley ?

Former next bright hope down the Villa, Arsenal nicked him off us in the middle of this decade, he had some attitude problems before sorting himself in Holland. His club there got to the final of the Dutch Cup in May, losing to Ajax. There was a profile piece about him at the time on BBCs football page.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 17, 2019, 02:48:44 PM
Who the fucks Dan Crowley ?


If asked rhetorically, who the fuck indeed is Dan Crowley. On the other hand, if you really can't recall him, he was a wunderkind of ours a few years back that decided the grass would be greener at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
Been talking about him to an Oxford fan at work and he says he was a bit of a twat who thought he had made it and acted as such.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 02:59:08 PM
Premier League clubs transfer spending so far this summer

1 Villa £83 million
2 Leicester £76 million
3 Man C £75 million
4 Man U £ £65 million
5 Spurs £62 million
6 Southampton £49 million
7 Wolves £45 million
8 Chelsea £40 million (they were allowed to make permanent a loan deal they had an option to buy on)
9 Everton £32 million
10 West Ham £24 million
11 Brighton £20 million
12 Bournemouth £17 million
13 Burnley £11 million
14 Sheff U £11 million
15 Arsenal £6 million
16 Watford £5 million
17 Norwich £3 million
18 Liverpool £1 million
19 Norwich £0
20 Palace £0
 

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 17, 2019, 03:01:21 PM
Premier League clubs transfer spending so far this summer

1 Villa £83 million
2 Leicester £76 million
3 Man C £75 million
4 Man U £ £65 million
5 Spurs £62 million
6 Southampton £49 million
7 Wolves £45 million
8 Chelsea £40 million (they were allowed to make permanent a loan deal they had an option to buy on)
9 Everton £32 million
10 West Ham £24 million
11 Brighton £20 million
12 Bournemouth £17 million
13 Burnley £11 million
14 Sheff U £11 million
15 Arsenal £6 million
16 Watford £5 million
17 Norwich £3 million
18 Liverpool £1 million
19 Norwich £0
20 Palace £0
 



Norwich have done well, two teams in the prem
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dr Butler on July 17, 2019, 03:01:48 PM
Premier League clubs transfer spending so far this summer

1 Villa £83 million
2 Leicester £76 million
3 Man C £75 million
4 Man U £ £65 million
5 Spurs £62 million
6 Southampton £49 million
7 Wolves £45 million
8 Chelsea £40 million (they were allowed to make permanent a loan deal they had an option to buy on)
9 Everton £32 million
10 West Ham £24 million
11 Brighton £20 million
12 Bournemouth £17 million
13 Burnley £11 million
14 Sheff U £11 million
15 Arsenal £6 million
16 Watford £5 million
17 Norwich £3 million
18 Liverpool £1 million
19 Norwich £0
20 Palace £0
 



two Norwich there at 17 and 19 Damo :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 17, 2019, 03:07:12 PM
Premier League clubs transfer spending so far this summer

1 Villa £83 million
2 Leicester £76 million
3 Man C £75 million
4 Man U £ £65 million
5 Spurs £62 million
6 Southampton £49 million
7 Wolves £45 million
8 Chelsea £40 million (they were allowed to make permanent a loan deal they had an option to buy on)
9 Everton £32 million
10 West Ham £24 million
11 Brighton £20 million
12 Bournemouth £17 million
13 Burnley £11 million
14 Sheff U £11 million
15 Arsenal £6 million
16 Watford £5 million
17 Norwich £3 million
18 Liverpool £1 million
19 Norwich £0
20 Palace £0
 



Newcastle?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 17, 2019, 03:11:04 PM
So three of the top seven are Midlands clubs.

The Midlands Powerhouse  8)



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2019, 03:34:04 PM
So three of the top seven are Midlands clubs.

The Midlands Powerhouse  8)

2 of the top 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 17, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Manchester is a suburb of the midlands too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2019, 03:43:44 PM
Quote
Bowen had a great spell last season which coincided with Hull's good run of form. But I don't remember him impressing me previously. Would we be signing a half season wonder?


Scored 20 goals last year for an average side from out wide. Weighed in with a fair few assists as well.  Scored against us at VP (from memory) at the start of 17/18.  Not one who is nailed on to make it in the top flight. But I'd be more comfortable spending say £12-15 million on a player like that or Reach as a bit of a punt rather than £30 odd million on Phillips (different positions I know).


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passport1 on July 17, 2019, 04:23:50 PM
So three of the top seven are Midlands clubs.

The Midlands Powerhouse  8)


We're second in the July league table as well!




Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 17, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2019, 04:44:42 PM
Quote
Bowen had a great spell last season which coincided with Hull's good run of form. But I don't remember him impressing me previously. Would we be signing a half season wonder?


Scored 20 goals last year for an average side from out wide. Weighed in with a fair few assists as well.  Scored against us at VP (from memory) at the start of 17/18.  Not one who is nailed on to make it in the top flight. But I'd be more comfortable spending say £12-15 million on a player like that or Reach as a bit of a punt rather than £30 odd million on Phillips (different positions I know).

Fair point.
Reach can play centrally as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

Making Dedoncker permanent I think. Added to the £18m they spent at the end of last season making Jonny permanent.

It's about £60m to hold their current side together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on July 17, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

Making Dedoncker permanent I think. Added to the £18m they spent at the end of last season making Jonny permanent.

It's about £60m to hold their current side together.

What, Project Levels Wanderers spending a fortune just to stand still? Surely not - isn't the £55 million for building a megastore in China?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2019, 06:07:31 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

Making Dedoncker permanent I think. Added to the £18m they spent at the end of last season making Jonny permanent.

It's about £60m to hold their current side together.

What, Project Levels Wanderers spending a fortune just to stand still? Surely not - isn't the £55 million for building a megastore in China?
Well in fairness we had to spend £30m on Mings, Hause & El Ghazi to not even stand still given the released players. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 06:09:47 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

Making Dedoncker permanent I think. Added to the £18m they spent at the end of last season making Jonny permanent.

It's about £60m to hold their current side together.

What, Project Levels Wanderers spending a fortune just to stand still? Surely not - isn't the £55 million for building a megastore in China?

Project Levels Wanderers... I like that, I'm stealing it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 17, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
McBurnie is another Championship player who I think could make it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2019, 06:30:12 PM
He's a big lump. No ta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on July 17, 2019, 06:48:59 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

Making Dedoncker permanent I think. Added to the £18m they spent at the end of last season making Jonny permanent.

It's about £60m to hold their current side together.

What, Project Levels Wanderers spending a fortune just to stand still? Surely not - isn't the £55 million for building a megastore in China?
Well in fairness we had to spend £30m on Mings, Hause & El Ghazi to not even stand still given the released players.

And didn’t they let us know it. I just can’t believe that the bestest run club in history would be in the same boat as little old Villa. Especially when after spending £60 million they will currently be playing youth teamers if they have more than 2 injuries.

Anyway, back to Villa. I reckon Bowen would be a great signing. Have I got this wrong, but isn’t his old man a Villa fan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 17, 2019, 07:19:11 PM
The sky sports daily transfers special is some amount of toe curling bullshit. They even attempted to defend mike ashley there (as well as the dildo brothers). Don't rock the boat, no critical thinking that could impact on our access to any of the clubs, seems to be the motto, even more so than normal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
I'm getting a bit nervous about Douglas Luiz not being announced yet! 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
Who have Wolves spent £45 million on?

I guess it’s about 32 making that Mexican permanent and 13 on another loan possibly?

When you're a global brand like they are, you need to spend a bundle just to remind people that you're about to spend a second season in a row out of the lower leagues for the first time since your captain married a Beverley Sister.

As John Wanamaker famously said, "half of my transfer budget is wasted; the trouble is, I ay gutta cloow which 'alf idiz".

That's global brands for you. I'm glad that nobody outside of Lichfield has heard of us. I don't want to have to deal with all the goddamn glamour.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 17, 2019, 10:28:43 PM
Paying Chinese fans to pretend to be interested in them?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2019, 10:31:53 PM
You do the greatest team ever a disservice, they spent a highly impressive 3 consecutive seasons in the top flight recently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 10:34:04 PM
You do the greatest team ever a disservice, they spent a highly impressive 3 consecutive seasons in the top flight recently.

Yes, but none of them fingered a Beverley Sister. I understand, however, that Karl Henry did trombone a Chuckle Brother. The one that's still alive too, so fair play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 11:21:26 PM
Paying Chinese fans to pretend to be interested in them?


To be fair they used to be managed by Sammy Chung. As a kid my first Panini sticker album was 'Football 78' and it was the only one I ever completed. The holy grail of the last card needed to fill the book? Sammy Chung.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2019, 01:55:28 AM
Paying Chinese fans to pretend to be interested in them?


To be fair they used to be managed by Sammy Chung. As a kid my first Panini sticker album was 'Football 78' and it was the only one I ever completed. The holy grail of the last card needed to fill the book? Sammy Chung.

Think I mentioned it before, Sammy Chung was a funeral director at my Nan's funeral in Somerset.

Odd career change.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 18, 2019, 03:19:50 AM
I'm getting a bit nervous about Douglas Luiz not being announced yet! 
Me too esp as kys been reported he’s out there and may have even trained with the squad. First new signing in away shirt on return to BMH ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2019, 08:51:42 AM
you can't miss what you've never had - I'm sure someone else is lined up if it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 18, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
you can't miss what you've never had - I'm sure someone else is lined up if it doesn't happen.

Yeah agree, in this management team we trust!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 18, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
I'm OK with whatever happens on this one. The fact that we are serious about getting a high quality replacement for Whelan reassures me - and if it's not this chap it will be someone else good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 18, 2019, 10:38:00 AM
Apparently he flew to the US to discuss terms and "the vision" and then retdurned to the UK. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 18, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Purslow has said they have been researching 3-4 options for each position for 6 months, so if Luiz or Phillips don't come I guess they have option 3 to move onto. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2019, 12:53:53 PM
He wouldn't have a had a Visa to work into the US would he?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 18, 2019, 01:17:45 PM
Purslow has said they have been researching 3-4 options for each position for 6 months, so if Luiz or Phillips don't come I guess they have option 3 to move onto.

Marvelous.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2019, 01:41:50 PM
Luiz still happening as far as i know. Came back to the UK as visa wouldn't be sorted by the time we fly back to the UK and is working with our liaison officer sorting his life out for the move
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Good stuff. Now, wingers? Gimme some wingers please!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2019, 02:21:09 PM
or a two in one like Bowen or Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
Purslow has said they have been researching 3-4 options for each position for 6 months, so if Luiz or Phillips don't come I guess they have option 3 to move onto.

Marvelous.

Yes, isn't it great we finally have professionals who plan? Oh, I thought you said MarveLLous .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2019, 04:00:01 PM
Twatter saying Leeds after chezzie ?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
Twatter saying Leeds after chezzie ?!

7.5 million

use for Philips?

thou I love chester
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
I do like Chester. Not too keen on the deal. Feel like defence is the one area we have which is now strong enough to compete in the top flight and don't particularly want to see him.

Though I suppose part exchange for Phillips and bring in another defender, maybe a youngster with one eye on the future, wouldn't be bad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 18, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
Would make Tuanzebe rumours make more sense, if they're still knocking around.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2019, 05:15:08 PM
Brighton are in for Maupay according to Talksport.  We need to sign him up....C'mon Deano!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Getting a large fee for a player that admits he's damaged his body irreparably - do it.

Thanks for your part in our promotion, I doubt anybody will forget it.



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2019, 05:25:12 PM
Meanwhile on SHA noses getting excited with the signing of Dan Crowley for £700k. Have they been down the back of the sofa again??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 18, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Happy to keep Chester but makes sense to cash in now if there’s money on the table. He looked fit and in good condition last night, and his experience would still be useful whilst bedding in the new players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard on July 18, 2019, 06:28:47 PM
Chester can go with my very best wishes and thanks. Still leaves 4 centre backs so don't see the need for another.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 18, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Meanwhile on SHA noses getting excited with the signing of Dan Crowley for £700k. Have they been down the back of the sofa again??
Has he decided he's a lifelong bluenose too now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2019, 07:56:27 PM
We spend £100m + they spend £700k!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2019, 08:31:21 PM
Chester can go with my very best wishes and thanks. Still leaves 4 centre backs so don't see the need for another.

Don't agree at all. That's a Bruce mentality with getting rid of CB's! For once we are strong in defence - give Chester a chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
I think Chester's experience might prove vital, especially in our first season back. I think I'm right in saying that no-one in our squad has played more Premier League games than him? Either way, he's up there, which will be very important at the back in particular.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
this is just click bait shite isn't it?  i thought Pontus said they didn't have a pot to piss in, let alone cough up £7.5m for Chester.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 18, 2019, 08:36:28 PM
They don’t have to pay 7.5m if it’s p/ex for Phillips.

😁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 18, 2019, 08:36:56 PM
This time last year I wouldn't have taken 20m for Chester. Different circumstances now but I really don't think we should be considering selling him for less than half that amount now just because we have other CBs in. I think his experience will prove important, and in any case if Burnley have the gall to quote us 12m for Tom Heaton then we should be quoting Leeds 15m+ for Chezzie. In fact, given their stance on Phillips, I'd just be telling them to fuck off I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 18, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
I think Chester's experience might prove vital, especially in our first season back. I think I'm right in saying that no-one in our squad has played more Premier League games than him? Either way, he's up there, which will be very important at the back in particular.

Elmo has more PL games, but that's it I think. Chester (when) fit is a very good player and has been fantastic in terms of attitude, i.e. risking his career whilst others took the piss Richards, Gabby etc. I think we will need his experience whilst new recruits settle. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 18, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
Chester has been our best signing (other than Benteke) in this woeful decade. A fine player and good influence who had to play through injury due to bellend Bruce.

Honestly I would give him the choice assuming the bid is 10m+ and be honest with him to say you are 3rd choice / 4th choice.

I'd like to see him stay but business is business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2019, 09:59:56 PM
Chester has been our best signing (other than Benteke) in this woeful decade. A fine player and good influence who had to play through injury due to bellend Bruce.

Honestly I would give him the choice assuming the bid is 10m+ and be honest with him to say you are 3rd choice / 4th choice.

I'd like to see him stay but business is business.

Yes business is business but to be honest I don’t think he can play the way Dean wants to play, he’s simply not good enough on the ball
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2019, 10:00:45 PM
Chester has been great for us in the Championship but I'm afraid it's time to get ruthless.  A bid of anywhere near to what has been clickbaited and I'd sell him.  He needs the games and won't be happy making up the numbers to be fair. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2019, 10:11:29 PM
I'd rather he got the chance to play for us in the Premier League. Or maybe him and £10-15m for Phillips..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2019, 10:31:54 PM
If another club was sniffing around a player you didn't want to sell, would you really want to be after a player from that club? A cash + player deal would inevitably be discussed. Probably nothing in it but if there is it may mean that their contract negotiations with Phillips aren't going well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 18, 2019, 10:35:21 PM
Apparently Marvelous has been in Birmingham this week for his medical:

https://allafrica.com/stories/201907170652.html

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2019, 10:38:01 PM
Pre-work permit?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2019, 10:48:54 PM
A couple of things wrong with that report.  Surely all our medical staff are in the USA with the squad, and not in Brum?  We wouldn't trust anyone else to do the medical on the clubs behalf?  Secondly, he's flying out to the USA as the squad are surely flying home today?  I'm not convinced this is being done, no real credible evidence?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
A couple of things wrong with that report.  Surely all our medical staff are in the USA with the squad, and not in Brum?  We wouldn't trust anyone else to do the medical on the clubs behalf?  Secondly, he's flying out to the USA as the squad are surely flying home today?  I'm not convinced this is being done, no real credible evidence?
I thought the same about him flying out to the US, when our lot are coming back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on July 18, 2019, 10:52:17 PM
Whatever happened to the links to Baptiste Santamaria ?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2019, 10:58:12 PM
His stats are really good, Santamaria that is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2019, 06:56:59 AM
If Leeds have offered £7.5 million for Chester then we would be mad to turn it down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on July 19, 2019, 07:35:58 AM
If Leeds have offered £7.5 million for Chester then we would be mad to turn it down.
Mings does not have a stellar injury record, nor does Hause. Konsa is a young lad who has no experience at this level and Engels is new to the country and could quite conceivably be 6months off hitting good form. I don't think we should be selling, even at that price. I think people are making too much of this permanent damage thing, if anything I imagine he will simply need a specialised training programme (as a lot of post 30 players do) and maybe need a game or two off a season if he is first choice. Our two finest CB's of the modern era, McGrath and Laursen both had this issue and hit their peak in their early 30's. I also think that some peoples judgement is being clouded regarding his ability on the ball. He lost form towards the end when playing through injury but I don't remember any mistakes prior to that period. Absolute, definite keep. See how things are in January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2019, 07:44:10 AM
If Leeds have offered £7.5 million for Chester then we would be mad to turn it down.
Mings does not have a stellar injury record, nor does Hause. Konsa is a young lad who has no experience at this level and Engels is new to the country and could quite conceivably be 6months off hitting good form. I don't think we should be selling, even at that price. I think people are making too much of this permanent damage thing, if anything I imagine he will simply need a specialised training programme (as a lot of post 30 players do) and maybe need a game or two off a season if he is first choice. Our two finest CB's of the modern era, McGrath and Laursen both had this issue and hit their peak in their early 30's. I also think that some peoples judgement is being clouded regarding his ability on the ball. He lost form towards the end when playing through injury but I don't remember any mistakes prior to that period. Absolute, definite keep. See how things are in January.
Matt, I agree with a lot of what you say, but Chester did drop several absolute clangers in his last few games; admittedly, because he was our only proper CB and the pressure on his shoulders was immense.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2019, 07:57:08 AM
Chester was injured for his last few games - he didn't look right at all. Judge him now he's fit. We don't need to sell him and £7.5M these days is peanuts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2019, 08:10:30 AM
Reports that we’ve agreed the fee for Trezeguet and he’s on the way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 19, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
Chester was injured, playing on the wrong side of defence, our only recognised centre-back, in front of an out of form keeper and behind a midfield missing it's best player.... 

We need to keep him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2019, 08:48:03 AM
Reports that we’ve agreed the fee for Trezeguet and he’s on the way.

Yes please. Then I get to stop begging for wingers every hour. 😊
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 19, 2019, 08:48:29 AM
So Trezeguet, Luiz and Marvelous sound like they are coming in but we still need a keeper and a striker which makes 5, but Christian and Dean been saying 3 or 4?!?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 19, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
They are probably counting luiz as done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 19, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Sturridge back on the radar according to Beeb Gossip/Mirror. I think it could work providing it is a sensible contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2019, 08:58:43 AM
No to Sturridge, he has lost his motivation to play, and is only interested in the lifestyle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2019, 09:03:50 AM
A resounding no to that - it would be like signing Ravel Morrison to the power of infinity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
Sturridge back on the radar according to Beeb Gossip/Mirror. I think it could work providing it is a sensible contract.

Fuck no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2019, 09:04:23 AM
Approaching 30 years old, injury prone and FA seeking to have his ban extended to 6 months. It would be a free transfer but on high wages. Thanks but no thanks. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
It would make signing Richard's look like a prescient masterstroke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2019, 09:14:47 AM
So Trezeguet, Luiz and Marvelous sound like they are coming in but we still need a keeper and a striker which makes 5, but Christian and Dean been saying 3 or 4?!?

I'd be happy with just Heaton, Trezeguet and Douglas, i would imagine at that point we'd be looking to offload Hogan, Nyland, Tosser and Bree.

Any more would be a bonus, Marvellous could come in and we could sell Lansbury for instance, another wide attacker could come in and we could loan out Green, or another central striker could come in and we could loan out Davis for example.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
Sturridge would be a massive step backwards for our recruitment strategy. He is old, unmotivated, and has zero sell-on value.

Surely that's fake news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 19, 2019, 09:19:43 AM
Sturridge would be a massive step backwards for our recruitment strategy. He is old, unmotivated, and has zero sell-on value.

Surely that's fake news.

As Mr Purslow said ‘lower age, lower wage’ is now our mantra
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on July 19, 2019, 09:35:00 AM
Sturridge back on the radar according to Beeb Gossip/Mirror. I think it could work providing it is a sensible contract.

No no 100 times no.

No sell on value, astronomical wages for his injury record. File under Richards, M.

Also not keen given his recent misconduct that he seems to have gotten off very lightly for. Banned for 6 weeks during the summer? Surely it should of been x games?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 19, 2019, 09:47:22 AM
i imagined Sturridge would be knocking on 35 not 29, but still no
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2019, 09:52:35 AM
Only just found out about his ban. Banned from playing football while it's the close season? What an absolute farce.

Another reason, as if one were needed, not to touch him with a Bjorn Engels-sized bargepole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2019, 10:12:42 AM
Sturridge is so injury prone. He's heading the same way as that other waster Micah Richards. He'd also come with a lot of negative baggage after the betting fiasco. Not a good influence at all, especially for the younger guys in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nevillain on July 19, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
Apparently Joe Hart been told he can go on a free? Still only 32
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 19, 2019, 10:14:08 AM
I wouldn't want to see him 'performing ' that stupid wiggly arm goal celebration he manages to trot out about 4 times a season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
Maupay is the striker I'd like us to sign.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 10:26:41 AM
No to Hart, no to Sturridge, yes to Heaton and Maupay. Time to get these done and start to look forward to Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kieron on July 19, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
Do we even have any credible intel that we are after Maupay?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villabear on July 19, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
I wouldn't want to see him 'performing ' that stupid wiggly arm goal celebration he manages to trot out about 4 times a season.

This still makes me laugh.


(https://i.ibb.co/4Ypd9GZ/Ceu3-IOAWIAAble-L.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4Ypd9GZ)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
Do we even have any credible intel that we are after Maupay?

Beyond the fact that we need cover out wide and up front and would be stupid not to be interested in him, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 19, 2019, 10:37:29 AM
Sturridge is such a Bruce signing it's not true. Let him go to Newcastle and sit on the treatment bench there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2019, 10:40:46 AM
If Hart is available on a free then there is no way that Burnley will let Heaton leave?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
Sturridge is such a Bruce signing it's not true. Let him go to Newcastle and sit on the treatment bench there.

Paper talk is that Newcastle want Charlie Austin, which another very Bruce move
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 19, 2019, 10:46:53 AM
Sturridge, Charlie Austin..no thank you. Shit, injury prone has beens.

If we are after a more experienced striker, let it be one that isn't injured all the time, and doesn't have a stupid celebration.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 19, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
https://twitter.com/trtspor/status/1152142354767339521

Turkish "trt spor" a well renown (no clue what so ever) saying that Trezeguet is done for 11m Euro.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
If Hart is available on a free then there is no way that Burnley will let Heaton leave?

Pope is the starter and Hart/Heaton might be a bit expensive to keep around as backup. Maybe they have another youngster who'll be ok as their number 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2019, 11:01:52 AM
As much as I don't like the idea of bringing in the likes of Harte and Sturridge, at some point I think we are going to need to do a bit of shopping in the bargain bins (comparatively, any way). If we're talking about spending another £15m or so on a winger, I think even with our owner's deep pockets, expecting them to shell out another £40m+ on a striker and keeper might not be realistic. I think we might need to at least look at moving some players on, or using them as part-exchange, before we make any more serious moves in the market.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 19, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
Sturridge is such a Bruce signing it's not true. Let him go to Newcastle and sit on the treatment bench there.

Paper talk is that Newcastle want Charlie Austin, which another very Bruce move


think he wants Bolaise too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2019, 11:18:10 AM
Sturridge would be an absolutely awful move and totally contrary to our stated transfer strategy.

That's a Steve Bruce signing.

Hart would be even worse. He's finished.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 19, 2019, 11:25:34 AM
Sturridge would be an absolutely awful move and totally contrary to our stated transfer strategy.

That's a Steve Bruce signing.

Hart would be even worse. He's finished.

Correct. This isnt 2013. Throw Benteke onto that list too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 11:48:57 AM
Daniel Sturridge

PL stats (not including Champions League or League Cup)

Year            Games          Goals      Assists
2018-19      18                 2            1
2017-18       9                  2            1
2016-17      20                 3            1
2015-16      14                 8            1
2014-15      12                 4            1

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 19, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
Maupay is the striker I'd like us to sign.

And me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 11:52:37 AM
It's a no from me as well. I was open to it but now I'm not. We do need another striker though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2019, 11:53:04 AM
Joe Hart is terrible nowadays, surely that can't be a credible link.

Something will have gone wrong if we ended up with him being our new keeper when we've been linked to Etheridge, Heaton and Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2019, 11:55:24 AM
Daniel Sturridge

PL stats (not including Champions League or League Cup)

Year            Games          Goals      Assists
2018-19      18                 2            1
2017-18       9                  2            1
2016-17      20                 3            1
2015-16      14                 8            1
2014-15      12                 4            1

But would you take Daniel Sturridge on a pay as you play contract?

or would you take him on £25k a week with a high scoring bonus?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 11:56:11 AM
I think we will pay what it takes to get Butland tbh. Can't we test West Brom for Johnstone? We know what we are getting with him.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
It's a no from me as well. I was open to it but now I'm not. We do need another striker though.

I'd be very surprised if another forward isn't added to the ranks, we have 20 odd goals to replace without Tammy and if Wesley takes his time to settle, you can't see our other forward options adding many. I'm guessing the club are working hard to move Hogan on and send RHM out on loan or possible Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
Sturridge can fuck right off.

Preferably to St James' Park.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
I think we will pay what it takes to get Butland tbh. Can't we test West Brom for Johnstone? We know what we are getting with him.



Johnstone's an OK shot-stopper but he can't kick to save his life.

I appreciated Sam's efforts for us in the 17/18 season but he's not good enough for the PL in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2019, 12:04:55 PM
Sturridge can fuck right off.

Preferably to St James' Park.

Or permanently to the bookies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2019, 12:07:12 PM
Sturridge will go to MLS imo.

Surely the warning is he went to West Brom in January 2018 on loan. Chance to score, save them from relegation and prove a point to Klopp.

Six games, no goals. Two hamstring injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2019, 12:09:18 PM
No to Hart, no to Sturridge, yes to Heaton and Maupay. Time to get these done and start to look forward to Spurs.


No to Hart. I was a big fan of his for several years but he is a player in decline.

Sturridge would be a decent signing if we could guarantee getting thirty odd games out of him but I doubt that would happen. Maybe he could put a bet on himself to go all season without missing any games through injury and that would spur him on to do so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 19, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
Sturridge.  No.

Hart.  No.

Simples.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
We need a striker who is prepared to be understudy to Wesley. Irrespective of money that is not a strong selling point to a player so this will be a tough part of the recruitment process.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
I would have thought that the only PL club daft enough to take Sturridge would be Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 12:29:34 PM
Daniel Sturridge

PL stats (not including Champions League or League Cup)

Year            Games          Goals      Assists
2018-19      18                 2            1
2017-18       9                  2            1
2016-17      20                 3            1
2015-16      14                 8            1
2014-15      12                 4            1

But would you take Daniel Sturridge on a pay as you play contract?

or would you take him on £25k a week with a high scoring bonus?
Good questions. You've got to go back 4 seasons for a good goal return from Daniel Sturridge. Would you not be better sticking with a younger forward/understudy (e.g. Keinan Davis?) and developing them (and in the process increasing their market value) if you're going to get the goal returns of his recent seasons?

DS and the whole team in interviews place a major emphasis on the player's character, temperament and how they would potentially integrate into the group as a whole and how they do their due diligence (research on the players they look to sign). I'd personally be surprised if this happened although it may under the possible monetary conditions that you propose with those questions LondonVilla.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 19, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
Daniel Sturridge

PL stats (not including Champions League or League Cup)

Year            Games          Goals      Assists
2018-19      18                 2            1
2017-18       9                  2            1
2016-17      20                 3            1
2015-16      14                 8            1
2014-15      12                 4            1

But would you take Daniel Sturridge on a pay as you play contract?

or would you take him on £25k a week with a high scoring bonus?

Neither.

I would have thought after all the Hasbeen Leeches we have had in recent years lookinh for a last pay packet nobody would even dream about him signing for Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 19, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
Hart is this year's Rob Green, going downhill faster than an Alpine skier.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 19, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
He wouldn't be offered a contract probably pay for play. It seems that no one else wants him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 19, 2019, 01:05:02 PM
He strikes me as someone who has already mentally checked out of the game. House in Los Angeles, betting on matches etc... hardly the actions of an individual committed to making the most of his career in England. He'll end up at LA Galaxy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Sturridge would be Lescott all over again. Just don't do it.

Buy Maupay, Trezeguet, Luiz, Heaton and Marvelous and sit back, smile and say yeah, we smashed that window.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Baldy on July 19, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
Sturridge is a solo artist and not a team player. Hart in decline. A big 'No' to either from the Baldy Jury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
Sturridge would be Lescott all over again. Just don't do it.

Buy Maupay, Trezeguet, Luiz, Heaton and Marvelous and sit back, smile and say yeah, we smashed that window.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
Didn't Pep let Hart go due to his inability to be able to play it out from the back? I'd have thought DS will want someone who is good with his feet in goal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2019, 01:41:05 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2019, 01:53:41 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

He’s relatively young too. Not at his peak yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 19, 2019, 01:56:15 PM
Maupay will be a wise move - be delighted if we can get him
Sturridge - would be micah richards part 2 - stay well clear
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2019, 02:00:17 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!
I realise that but it is nevertheless just one season.  And it'll be a big step up for him in the Premier League.  Wouldn't want to overpay for him if we do make a move.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2019, 02:01:49 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!
I realise that but it is nevertheless just one season.  And it'll be a big step up for him in the Premier League.  Wouldn't want to overpay for him if we do make a move.

Well the other benefit is he can play as a striker or out wide, which potentially saves us having to recruit 2 players. So if we overpay a little for him but save on an overall outlay for another good quality player (average PL salary included) then we're doing ourselves a favour I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2019, 02:02:03 PM
As bad an idea as Signing Sturidge is, I would still swap him for Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 02:04:46 PM
As bad an idea as Signing Sturidge is, I would still swap him for Hogan.

I'd swap his uncle Dean for Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 02:08:28 PM
Sturridge would be Lescott all over again. Just don't do it.

Buy Maupay, Trezeguet, Luiz, Heaton and Marvelous and sit back, smile and say yeah, we smashed that window.

Swap Heaton for Butland and I think that's it  8)
Icardi if I can be greedy  :P
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 19, 2019, 02:56:57 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

Looks an exceptional talent from the games Ive seen, another Vardy type all action, mobile across the front line and goal scorer.

Sturridge - we might aswell set his wages on fire outside Villa Park, would provide us with more of a spark than him on the pitch
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 03:10:02 PM

Sturridge - we might aswell set his wages on fire outside Villa Park, would provide us with more of a spark than him on the pitch

The KLF of striker signings
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
KLF .?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2019, 03:17:23 PM

Sturridge - we might aswell set his wages on fire outside Villa Park, would provide us with more of a spark than him on the pitch

The KLF of striker signings

Very good. Bravo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
KLF .?



Sturridge is Ancient and his signing is not Justified


mu mu
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 19, 2019, 03:22:59 PM
Hart is this year's Rob Green, going downhill faster than an Alpine skier.

And like Green he wasn't all that good anyway.  Honestly never rated him even when he was England's first choice, massively overrated.  He's Champo level at best.   

Sturridge has talent but his recent record is pish, he's always crocked,  he's always looked out for number 1 rather than the team,  and has a bad attitude a la M Richards.  What's to like?  I can't see how he would possibly meet any of Smith's and Purslow's criteria.

Johnstone is little or no better than Steer or Kalinic in my view so would be a pointless signing.

Heaton would be a good signing.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

Looks an exceptional talent from the games Ive seen, another Vardy type all action, mobile across the front line and goal scorer.

Hasn't he got a bit of an edge to him too? Didn't he score a couple of goals against us at Villa Park but arguably could have been sent off in the same match before his 2nd? For what I can't remember?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 19, 2019, 03:49:14 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

Looks an exceptional talent from the games Ive seen, another Vardy type all action, mobile across the front line and goal scorer.

Hasn't he got a bit of an edge to him too? Didn't he score a couple of goals against us at Villa Park but arguably could have been sent off in the same match before his 2nd? For what I can't remember?

You remember right, he was a niggly little bastard that day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2019, 03:50:10 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

Looks an exceptional talent from the games Ive seen, another Vardy type all action, mobile across the front line and goal scorer.

Hasn't he got a bit of an edge to him too? Didn't he score a couple of goals against us at Villa Park but arguably could have been sent off in the same match before his 2nd? For what I can't remember?

Yes, he put a sly boot on SJM's knee while he was on the ground. He's a bit of a nasty little shit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
He looks like a nightmare to play against. Do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Definitely don't want Sturridge; it's got bad news written all over it.  Not sure what the fuss is about Maupay.  Butland would be my choice as keeper.

25 goals and 8 assists in 43 games for a mid-table Championship team last season hilts!

Looks an exceptional talent from the games Ive seen, another Vardy type all action, mobile across the front line and goal scorer.

Hasn't he got a bit of an edge to him too? Didn't he score a couple of goals against us at Villa Park but arguably could have been sent off in the same match before his 2nd? For what I can't remember?

You remember right, he was a niggly little bastard that day.
Yeah I remember that Brentford had an edge to them that match (they weren't gonna roll over and were putting themselves about which kinda surprised and if I'm honest impressed me - although obviously not the Maupay SJM incident).

Cheers Chinchilla Bathhouse - I couldn't remember/visualise the actual incident :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2019, 04:06:26 PM
Seems a lot, expecting two rookies to score the goals we'll need to stay up.  I know we'll get a few from midfield too but it's not as if the other strikers on our books are going to make defences shit themselves.  Still, if Smith thinks he's the one it's important we back him.  There's always January I guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 04:10:35 PM
I don't think Dean Smith is against proven talent. But it's also mentality that he's looking for and as much.

We're still Aston Villa and a massive club, but we are also one that just spent the part three years fucking around in the league below. Our stock has taken a hit and the more proven players may want more security or simply want a premium to come to us. It reminds me where Man City were when they got stupid rich that they almost had to buy their credibility vs having earned it over many years. I don't think we should do that and so we need to get that tier of player that is talented enough to make the step up and is determined enough to make it work for themselves and the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2019, 04:14:07 PM
Seems a lot, expecting two rookies to score the goals we'll need to stay up.  I know we'll get a few from midfield too but it's not as if the other strikers on our books are going to make defences shit themselves.  Still, if Smith thinks he's the one it's important we back him.  There's always January I guess.

Those are my concerns, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2019, 04:14:30 PM
It’s worth remembering that Wesley isn’t and hasn’t been known for being a prolific goal scorer, so unless he changes his game or has a good supply then we’ll need another striker to rotate with or cover if Wes gets injured.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Daniel Sturridge

PL stats (not including Champions League or League Cup)

Year            Games          Goals      Assists
2018-19      18                 2            1
2017-18       9                  2            1
2016-17      20                 3            1
2015-16      14                 8            1
2014-15      12                 4            1

But would you take Daniel Sturridge on a pay as you play contract?

or would you take him on £25k a week with a high scoring bonus?
Good questions. You've got to go back 4 seasons for a good goal return from Daniel Sturridge. Would you not be better sticking with a younger forward/understudy (e.g. Keinan Davis?) and developing them (and in the process increasing their market value) if you're going to get the goal returns of his recent seasons?

DS and the whole team in interviews place a major emphasis on the player's character, temperament and how they would potentially integrate into the group as a whole and how they do their due diligence (research on the players they look to sign). I'd personally be surprised if this happened although it may under the possible monetary conditions that you propose with those questions LondonVilla.

I suppose I'm being sentimental I can remember Sturridge walking around the pitch at Villa Park when he was in our youth setup

If he comes to the villa I would hope it would be because of unfinished business in his eyes.

I do like having some Brummies and youth team members in our first-team squad.

if Dean wants him then I will back Deans decision
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 19, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
Given his history with the youth team and his links with bookies I am surprised the noses aren’t after him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
Given his history with the youth team and his links with bookies I am surprised the noses aren’t after him.

His dad was at the Blues

Mike Sturridge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only
Michael Alexander Sturridge (born 18 September 1962) is an English former footballer who played as a forward. Originally on the books of Birmingham City,he didn't make a professional appearance for the club. He did make 4 appearances in the English Football League whilst on loan from Birmingham City at Welsh club Wrexham.[

He is the father of England international forward Daniel Sturridge, who most recently played for Liverpool, and the brother of former footballers Dean and Simon Sturridge
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2019, 04:47:28 PM
Given his history with the youth team and his links with bookies I am surprised the noses aren’t after him.

His dad was at the Blues

Mike Sturridge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only
Michael Alexander Sturridge (born 18 September 1962) is an English former footballer who played as a forward. Originally on the books of Birmingham City,he didn't make a professional appearance for the club. He did make 4 appearances in the English Football League whilst on loan from Birmingham City at Welsh club Wrexham.[

He is the father of England international forward Daniel Sturridge, who most recently played for Liverpool, and the brother of former footballers Dean and Simon Sturridge

Simon Sturridge  made more than 250 appearances in the Football League for Birmingham City,

Dean Sturridge played for Derby County, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Kidderminster Harriers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2019, 05:07:04 PM
Maupay makes sense. Every tine I’ve seen rumours about him the fee has looked strangely low. Is it a contract length issue or something else?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
Given his history with the youth team and his links with bookies I am surprised the noses aren’t after him.

His dad was at the Blues

Mike Sturridge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only
Michael Alexander Sturridge (born 18 September 1962) is an English former footballer who played as a forward. Originally on the books of Birmingham City,he didn't make a professional appearance for the club. He did make 4 appearances in the English Football League whilst on loan from Birmingham City at Welsh club Wrexham.[

He is the father of England international forward Daniel Sturridge, who most recently played for Liverpool, and the brother of former footballers Dean and Simon Sturridge

Simon Sturridge  made more than 250 appearances in the Football League for Birmingham City,

Dean Sturridge played for Derby County, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Kidderminster Harriers


Daniel Sturridge has played in 73 PL games and missed 117 PL games in the last five years. When I was a betting shop manager for William Hill Daniel Sturridge's uncle Dave managed the next branch down from mine. When Simon Sturridge visited his brothers shop to see him Dave would refuse to serve him due to him being family and a conflict of interests so he used to come into my branch to bet on the dogs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2019, 06:08:45 PM
Maupay makes sense. Every tine I’ve seen rumours about him the fee has looked strangely low. Is it a contract length issue or something else?

£20 million low for a championship forward? 

Though I haven't seen the most recent speculation, so maybe Sheff U, Brighton are being quoted a lower figure than us.

With the business we've done so far, I'd like to see a few incoming closer to the finished article. Outside of the madness of the English top flight (and Championship now, it seems) there will be experienced forwards in the top leagues in Spain, Germany etc who might be going for more realistic figures.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2019, 06:16:12 PM
I saw £15m in relation to Sheff u a while ago but it was just paper talk.

Even so, as ridiculous as it is, £20m for a youngish championship striker with that goal record is cheap in the current market.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
Pay as you play deal at the very best for Sturridge. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 19, 2019, 06:24:46 PM
Seems a lot, expecting two rookies to score the goals we'll need to stay up.  I know we'll get a few from midfield too but it's not as if the other strikers on our books are going to make defences shit themselves.  Still, if Smith thinks he's the one it's important we back him.  There's always January I guess.


well I'm backing the rookie manager in his first year at the top level so it's going to be a steep learning curve all round i suppose
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2019, 06:41:01 PM
Bollox! It seems Rafael Leão is off to Valencia for approximately £32m. To think Lille got him a year ago for nothing. Nice business. I expected Everton to have made a bid but it seems they still lack ambition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 19, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Bollox! It seems Rafael Leão is off to Valencia for approximately £32m. To think Lille got him a year ago for nothing. Nice business. I expected Everton to have made a bid but it seems they still lack ambition.

I haven't payed a great deal of attention to the top flight whilst we have been out of it but Everton are just odd. They would have you believe they are skint and then find £50m down the back of the sofa for one player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Mail are suggesting a fee has been agreed for Trezeguet

https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1152161599815393280?s=12
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
Reports that we’ve agreed the fee for Trezeguet and he’s on the way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
Jordan Veretout has just joined Roma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on July 19, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on July 19, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
Jordan Veretout has just joined Roma.

He'd be fucking ace in this Smith team wouldn't he.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2019, 09:29:52 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

Needs a fresh start and to get the right supply.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2019, 09:30:20 PM
For me Hogan is a good champion striker, solid pro, albeit streaky and confidence dependent. I think his early days with us under numb nuts Bruce proved too hard to recover from. I don’t think that reflects too badly on him. He never sulked, tried when he came on and contributed including on loan.

Personally I’d like to see him go to a good championship side and if he’s looked after he’ll always score goals at that level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?


He is 27 and has only had two good goalscoring seasons. One with Rochdale and one with Brentford. But maybe Warnock can get a tune out of him in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on July 19, 2019, 09:50:49 PM
more to the point as a long ball merchant team would he fit in ?  zahorre has gone to WBA for 8 million what a waste of money they are wasting . the easiest 8 million we will ever get !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2019, 10:04:56 PM
Hogan did absolutely naff all for us at considerable expense, often looking clueless.  Yes conditions were tough at times but that's when good players step up.  He just went further into his shell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 19, 2019, 10:10:53 PM
more to the point as a long ball merchant team would he fit in ?  zahorre has gone to WBA for 8 million what a waste of money they are wasting . the easiest 8 million we will ever get !

Id say no, he makes lots of good intelligent runs in behind the defence , which we never really played to, and works hard, but if the ball is just lumped up to him he'll be hopeless
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2019, 10:28:05 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

I think Warnock will use him properly and get the ball in to him early.  Colin is a better manager than Bruce and will play to his strengths.  Needs a run of games but is absolutely a championship player. I wonder if there is a swap deal for your keeper going on here?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2019, 10:29:19 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?
Lacks basic technique, easily shrugged off the ball and striuggles to make a 5 yard pass, no real pace not good in the air.
Apparently a poacher. that likes to play off the shoulder not that we saw any evidence of that.
I think #20 million should secure his services ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2019, 10:47:53 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

He'll certainly do a good job for the right team.

Chesterfield perhaps?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on July 19, 2019, 10:57:31 PM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

He'll certainly do a good job for the right team.

Chesterfield perhaps?

Chesterfield ?

Yes please !!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2019, 11:03:15 PM
Jordan Veretout has just joined Roma.

He'd be fucking ace in this Smith team wouldn't he.

I don't know what team you support
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2019, 11:23:42 PM
more to the point as a long ball merchant team would he fit in ?  zahorre has gone to WBA for 8 million what a waste of money they are wasting . the easiest 8 million we will ever get !

he makes lots of good intelligent runs in behind the defence...

Not digging you out as I've heard a few people say this in relation to Hogan, but his goal return for us suggests otherwise.

Intelligent runs/  movement etc would be similar to what Abraham was doing last year.  Even with 20 + goals a season, TA was taking stick at the time for missing big chances. But he was getting in the right positions/ timing his runs to miss them in the first place.

Hogan was playing behind the likes of Grealish, Albert and Sondgrass in his first full season and Grealish, McGinn and El Ghazi last year. There are plenty of Villa forwards in fairly recent history who could complain about a lack of service. He isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 11:57:15 PM
Hogan did absolutely naff all for us at considerable expense, often looking clueless.  Yes conditions were tough at times but that's when good players step up.  He just went further into his shell.

His performance against Swansea in the cup game was one of the most pitiful displays I've ever witnessed. The team were terrible all round, but I'm convinced that as a 42 year old Sunday footballer I could have made more impact.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2019, 12:36:40 AM
more to the point as a long ball merchant team would he fit in ?  zahorre has gone to WBA for 8 million what a waste of money they are wasting . the easiest 8 million we will ever get !

I think he could do a job under certain circumstanced. Cardiff under Warnock present none of those circumstances.

Edit: we aren't getting rid of him without paying him off. Stick him on the bench and see if he can take his chance, if he gets one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 20, 2019, 01:18:31 AM
Hogan did absolutely naff all for us at considerable expense, often looking clueless.  Yes conditions were tough at times but that's when good players step up.  He just went further into his shell.

His performance against Swansea in the cup game was one of the most pitiful displays I've ever witnessed. The team were terrible all round, but I'm convinced that as a 42 year old Sunday footballer I could have made more impact.

I had such high hopes for him but ultimately he is an incredible waste of space on the pitch and team sheet. He genuinely offers nothing as a striker. He doesn’t get involved in build up and he can’t play short and quick. He can’t beat the last defender on through balls with pace and he’s non existent in the air.

 He has been a great disappointment. He needs to go back down to the lower levels and regain his confidence. He’s just poor and has never shown any sign of momentum or had a performance that forced the managers hand to put him in the team the next week. Just poor.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2019, 01:33:04 AM
Hogan did absolutely naff all for us at considerable expense, often looking clueless.  Yes conditions were tough at times but that's when good players step up.  He just went further into his shell.

His performance against Swansea in the cup game was one of the most pitiful displays I've ever witnessed. The team were terrible all round, but I'm convinced that as a 42 year old Sunday footballer I could have made more impact.

I had such high hopes for him but ultimately he is an incredible waste of space on the pitch and team sheet. He genuinely offers nothing as a striker. He doesn’t get involved in build up and he can’t play short and quick. He can’t beat the last defender on through balls with pace and he’s non existent in the air.

 He has been a great disappointment. He needs to go back down to the lower levels and regain his confidence. He’s just poor and has never shown any sign of momentum or had a performance that forced the managers hand to put him in the team the next week. Just poor.

He's never been given a chance. The way Bruce played was the opposite of how he needs to play. I mean, I suspect that he's as shit as he seems, but he did hit some form when Agnew came in. We'll never sell him so we might as well try to use him if we can.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2019, 01:34:46 AM
more to the point as a long ball merchant team would he fit in ?  zahorre has gone to WBA for 8 million what a waste of money they are wasting . the easiest 8 million we will ever get !

he makes lots of good intelligent runs in behind the defence...

Not digging you out as I've heard a few people say this in relation to Hogan, but his goal return for us suggests otherwise.

Intelligent runs/  movement etc would be similar to what Abraham was doing last year.  Even with 20 + goals a season, TA was taking stick at the time for missing big chances. But he was getting in the right positions/ timing his runs to miss them in the first place.

Hogan was playing behind the likes of Grealish, Albert and Sondgrass in his first full season and Grealish, McGinn and El Ghazi last year. There are plenty of Villa forwards in fairly recent history who could complain about a lack of service. He isn't one of them.

He did have good players feeding him, but not the sort of manager that would have them working on it in training and I think that's the big problem. I don't think Hogan has ever been on the same page as most of the rest of our team (I'm not blaming any of the players for that) and it's made him very tentative. He got a little run of games in 17/18 and started to show some hints but nothing like enough and then Bruce replaced him with Grabban and whatever positives there were disappeared again.

I think if he goes somewhere as the main man in attack and they work on feeding him in training he'll score goals. I'm not sure that's Cardiff under Warnock and I'm also not sure it would be enough for anyone looking to trouble the promotion/play off picture. I do know he's definitely not premier league class though, you need to be much more capable of playing for the team and getting involved in build up to be successful there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 03:20:57 AM
I watched him pretty closely the other night and his movement was terrible. Hardly making diagonal runs, pretty much straight down the middle. Had one half chance all night and against very average defending he should have offered a lot more. It’s amazing how much he has fallen off given how decent he looked at Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2019, 07:05:37 AM
For one reason or another, it quite simply hasn’t worked out for him at Villa. It’s best for both the player and the club that he is sold and we move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2019, 07:09:27 AM
Phil ‘return of the dark ages’ McNulty says we are not interested in Sturridge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2019, 07:23:20 AM
For one reason or another, it quite simply hasn’t worked out for him at Villa. It’s best for both the player and the club that he is sold and we move on.
See, this is the point, isn't it? I thought that his main problem was simply that he needed a fresh start; that the Villa experience just hadn't worked out for him. So, his loan to SheffU should have been his opportunity for a fresh start.
He flopped.

He needs to leave us - and quickly - but I wouldn't wish him at my club, unless I had a strong main striker for Scottie to link with and play off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 20, 2019, 07:58:24 AM
Hogan, to be anywhere near effective, needs to play in a counter attacking team who play with fast wingers who get plenty of early crosses across the face of goal.  His movement in the box isn’t bad.

That doesn’t sound like Cardiff though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 20, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
Hogan never really impressed me in a Villa shirt but he looked half decent in a few Sheffield United games I watched last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 20, 2019, 09:14:49 AM
Same, I didn’t get the impression he’d flopped over there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2019, 09:17:10 AM
Phil ‘return of the dark ages’ McNulty says we are not interested in Sturridge.

Just can't see it either.  Would completely go against what seems to be the policy we are currently implementing. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2019, 09:18:43 AM
is this link to Cardiff real or just  get our hopes up bs?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 20, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
I know this is not the right thread. But has anyone got a link for the Minnesota full match ???
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
Phil ‘return of the dark ages’ McNulty says we are not interested in Sturridge.

Just can't see it either.  Would completely go against what seems to be the policy we are currently implementing.


And the Hart link, flies in the face of the rest of our business. Maybe there were whispers they were of interest to 'a promoted side'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
Bruce is after Bowen - he's going to be a very good buy for someone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 20, 2019, 10:59:21 AM
Cannot understand how DS never went in for Bowen. 22yrs old-22 goals last season & 4 assists 10-15m-English.
Massive upgrade on Green and is totally on par with the English game unlike Trezeguet ….
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Percy saying Trezeguet done for £8.75m  plus significant add ins. Medical this weekend.
If Percy is saying it then I guess it’s true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 20, 2019, 11:35:20 AM
Percy saying Trezeguet done for £8.75m  plus significant add ins. Medical this weekend.
If Percy is saying it then I guess it’s true.

still not convinced when I have watched him but Im sure hes a good player that DS will get the best out of him. Would have loved Bowen instead.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2019, 11:44:37 AM
Percy saying Trezeguet done for £8.75m  plus significant add ins. Medical this weekend.
If Percy is saying it then I guess it’s true.

still not convinced when I have watched him but Im sure hes a good player that DS will get the best out of him. Would have loved Bowen instead.

Got to trust in Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 20, 2019, 11:52:05 AM
With regards to Hogan I know that in the past he hasn't followed simple instructions when training which leads me to believe his attitude isn't always the best.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 20, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

his biggest strength is running around all over the pitch very fast looking like he’s being chased by a wasp

add a bit of the Benny Hill music and your about there
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 20, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
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scott hogan being linked to us . what's your thoughts on him and could do he a job under warnock ?

his biggest strength is running around all over the pitch very fast looking like he’s being chased by a wasp

add a bit of the Benny Hill music and your about there

Now that made me chuckle
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 20, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
I know this is not the right thread. But has anyone got a link for the Minnesota full match ???

I think it expired 24 hours after broadcast, sorry. I know because I tried to rewatch it last night.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
So with Trézéguet and Dougie almost in the bag, that’s us now down to a striker, CM and GK. I also expect a few to leave. Ideally

Hogan - permanent
Nyland or Kalinic - permanent
Davis/RHM/O’Hare - loan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
And a winger. Green should not be first choice reserve. I could live with us signing a striker who can play winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2019, 12:59:52 PM
Another CM? Unlikely if one of BB and Henri stay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 01:00:37 PM
And a winger. Green should not be first choice reserve.

I’ll go with that. I just don’t rate him at all either
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
Another CM is a must, IMO. Whelan played about half our games last season and hasn't been replaced. It's unrealistic to think that McGinn and Hourihane are going to play eighty plus games between them, and neither BB nor Angela have done enough to suggest that they merit inclusion. Add them as squad depth, yes. As first reserve? No.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 20, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
I think one of Heaton/Etheridge/Butland, Luiz and now probably Trezeguet are very likely.

Maupay will come if the price drops sufficiently, but I think there may be some merit in waiting until Jan to give the squad a boost.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 01:03:30 PM
And a winger. Green should not be first choice reserve.

I’ll go with that. I just don’t rate him at all either

I think he is an unlucky player. He seems to hit the bar more often than any player I've ever known, and whenever he has a good run, he gets injured. I think it could, still, all click and he could be a quality player. That's a big "if", though, and I wouldn't want to had to rely on him. If it does work out, it's a bonus. We need to prepare for the likelihood that it doesn't.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 01:04:30 PM
We will have 7 should one more come in. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. We need depth and different player options.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 01:06:14 PM
And a winger. Green should not be first choice reserve.

I’ll go with that. I just don’t rate him at all either

I think he is an unlucky player. He seems to hit the bar more often than any player I've ever known, and whenever he has a good run, he gets injured. I think it could, still, all click and he could be a quality player. That's a big "if", though, and I wouldn't want to had to rely on him. If it does work out, it's a bonus. We need to prepare for the likelihood that it doesn't.

He might be. But to me he’s just slow and doesn’t have a trick to go past a player, rarely scores goals. I find him a very predictable player who will ultimately carve out a career in the Championship. Certainly isn’t PL quality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 20, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
I think Green is fine to be a back up. He's worth persevering with as he's ours and we have a coach who likes him and can improve players but I do share concerns about his quality. If he's not performing well it's unlikely he'll see much football. I imagine it'll be 2 from Trezeguet, Jota and El Ghazi most of the time, but there's also Kodjia and potentially Wesley (if we sign another striker) who can play there as extra attacking options before Green.

Then there's also a slight possibility of a system change in the bigger away games to get an extra midfielder in. Perhaps dropping a forward and playing a front 6 of Luiz, Conor, McGinn, Jack, Wesley and El Ghazi for example. Even though Smith has been married to his system, even Pep has done that in the Champions League away games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 20, 2019, 01:26:03 PM
I love it no matter how many players we sign people think we need a load more to be on the safe side

if we signed 15 new top class players in the next few days people would still be posting
  ‘just need a goalie, a couple of wingers  defo a defensive midfielder or two and a striker and if I was being greedy another Central defender in case the 7 we have don’t all turn up’
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2019, 01:32:15 PM
Lulz, yeah, selfish, spoilt bratz.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2019, 01:34:31 PM
I love it no matter how many players we sign people think we need a load more to be on the safe side

if we signed 15 new top class players in the next few days people would still be posting
  ‘just need a goalie, a couple of wingers  defo a defensive midfielder or two and a striker and if I was being greedy another Central defender in case the 7 we have don’t all turn up’

I just don't want us left with no cover if Neymar and Kane get injured, I don't think that's unreasonable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 20, 2019, 03:32:43 PM
Veretout to Roma for 19m euros..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2019, 03:35:19 PM
I think the striker we will bring in will also be adapt to playing wide
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 20, 2019, 03:41:15 PM
Did I read somewhere that Wesley has played wide sometimes or am I imagining it?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2019, 03:49:11 PM
Did I read somewhere that Wesley has played wide sometimes or am I imagining it?



Potentially. I know he likes to play deeper so it’s possible
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
From what I saw the other night he’ll be someone who will hold the ball up well and create space for the midfield 5 to get into scoring positions. I can see him scoring 15 next season but a lot of our goals will come from his work off the ball or with his back to goal bringing the likes of Jack, Luiz, Trezeguet, Jota etc into things.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 20, 2019, 04:00:38 PM
Did I read somewhere that Wesley has played wide sometimes or am I imagining it?
In one of the YouTube videos it did look like he was playing as a right winger to me. In any case it looked like he could do a job there if he needed to
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
From what I saw the other night he’ll be someone who will hold the ball up well and create space for the midfield 5 to get into scoring positions. I can see him scoring 15 next season but a lot of our goals will come from his work off the ball or with his back to goal bringing the likes of Jack, Luiz, Trezeguet, Jota etc into things.
The most he's ever got in a season is 10, in Belgium.  I think 15 in his first season in the Premier League is a little over-optimistic.  Vardy 'only' got 18.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2019, 04:08:06 PM
From what I saw the other night he’ll be someone who will hold the ball up well and create space for the midfield 5 to get into scoring positions. I can see him scoring 15 next season but a lot of our goals will come from his work off the ball or with his back to goal bringing the likes of Jack, Luiz, Trezeguet, Jota etc into things.

The most he's ever got in a season is 10, in Belgium.  I think 15 in his first season in the Premier League is a little over-optimistic.  Vardy 'only' got 18.

I meant across all competitions. And 15 might be high but he’ll hopefully benefit from better players and just through his natural improvement. Anyway liked what I saw from the game the other night though admittedly a small sample and a long way to go.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
I meant across all competitions. And 15 might be high but he’ll hopefully benefit from better players and just through his natural improvement. Anyway liked what I saw from the game the other night though admittedly a small sample and a long way to go.


Ah fair enough.  I still think that's a little on the high side.  If he gets 9 or 10 in the Prem then that represents a solid start for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2019, 05:24:30 PM
Veretout to Roma for 19m euros..

I presume he was one of those Dr Tony cashed in on the sell on clauses last summer?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2019, 06:06:36 PM
Veretout to Roma for 19m euros..

I presume he was one of those Dr Tony cashed in on the sell on clauses last summer?

He was
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2019, 08:39:53 PM
Dr Tony’s legacy will linger on for some time, I feel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
Dr Tony’s legacy will linger on for some time, I feel.
How?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2019, 08:16:56 AM
We need a striker who is prepared to be understudy to Wesley. Irrespective of money that is not a strong selling point to a player so this will be a tough part of the recruitment process.
I would say competition not understudy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Then we need to spend an equal amount so neither feel they are #1 and it is a genuine battle for the shirt
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
If it wasn't for their dreadful injury records, either Carroll or Sturridge on a free, might have been worth considering for, say, a 2 year contract and therefore, lower risk.  However, and quite rightly, like Austin, such is their princess attitude, Villa won't touch them.  I reckon we will be scouting for another Kodjia type in the French leagues to add competition.  Wesley could really do with a couple of pre-season goals to get the ball rolling and take away any doubt about him scoring in the top leagues. I'd still like Maupay mind, fox in the box needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on July 21, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
We need a forward that we can use when we want to play a narrower game. He will need to be able to play across the line.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 21, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
we dont need a striker LIKE Maupay, we just need Maupay. He has got the lot and at 20m is a snip.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 21, 2019, 09:57:18 AM
Apparently he’s out of the squad for Brentford’s friendly and Sheff Utd are in for him. If we’re going to make moves for Maupay then we’ll need to make a bid pretty sharpish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 21, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
If it wasn't for their dreadful injury records, either Carroll or Sturridge on a free, might have been worth considering for, say, a 2 year contract and therefore, lower risk.  However, and quite rightly, like Austin, such is their princess attitude, Villa won't touch them.  I reckon we will be scouting for another Kodjia type in the French leagues to add competition.  Wesley could really do with a couple of pre-season goals to get the ball rolling and take away any doubt about him scoring in the top leagues. I'd still like Maupay mind, fox in the box needed.

It might be the one position where we could consider a season long loan option.  I agree about the need for competition and with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis, I think we are one striker light.  Might be being a bit obvious and nostalgic, but trying to see if Benteke could recover some of his mojo on a loan with us or someone with a bit of pedigree in the top flight might be a smart move.

Like you, I would steer well clear of the likes of Sturridge and Carroll though.  We've been down that road too many times before and have ended up with our pants pulled down.  A loan might not be ideal, but it might tide us over until we see where we are in January and at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 21, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
I would have thought if we were in for Maupay then we’d have signed him by now. Unless Brentford are waiting to sign a replacement. It doesn’t make sense otherwise, due to our early signing philosophy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 21, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
If it wasn't for their dreadful injury records, either Carroll or Sturridge on a free, might have been worth considering for, say, a 2 year contract and therefore, lower risk.  However, and quite rightly, like Austin, such is their princess attitude, Villa won't touch them.  I reckon we will be scouting for another Kodjia type in the French leagues to add competition.  Wesley could really do with a couple of pre-season goals to get the ball rolling and take away any doubt about him scoring in the top leagues. I'd still like Maupay mind, fox in the box needed.


You could argue if it wasn’t for their injuries, they wouldn’t be available anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 21, 2019, 11:11:59 AM
I read that Fistface is in for Carroll....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 21, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
I would have thought if we were in for Maupay then we’d have signed him by now. Unless Brentford are waiting to sign a replacement. It doesn’t make sense otherwise, due to our early signing philosophy.

If Brentford are selling and we're in for Maupay we'll get him.
I don't think the early signing policy would be an issue with him as he's played the Dean Smith way already, so is half up to speed already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
Another CM? Unlikely if one of BB and Henri stay.

BB didn't even make our bench for the playoff final . With only a year left on his contract, it's almost certain he will leave. I doubt he is on a huge contract so should be easy enough to move on. Nowhere near good enough.

Lansbury is unlikely to leave permanently given the contract he is on but would surely have a suitor or two at championship level on loan. With Luiz coming in he will be a long way down the list of our midfield options. Particularly as Jota is likely to be an option in the middle at times. I'd prefer to push O'Hare up the pecking order instead of Lansbury but Smith may think differently.

Bree, Kalinic, Kodjia, Tshibola, BB, Lansbury, Hogan, RHM, Green, JDH, Chester won't be part of the first team squad come the end of the transfer window I'd expect.

New GK, Maupay to still come in. Some turnaround in squad personnel in a few months!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 21, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
I read that Fistface is in for Carroll....

Perfect. Like Andy Gray rejoining Villa
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 21, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
I actually think Carroll back to the barcodes will be one of those that works out ok. He’s only 30.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 21, 2019, 01:50:52 PM
For Carroll A see Sturridge D (he’s only 29) and Austin C (also 30).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 21, 2019, 01:54:35 PM
He'll have a couple of good games then get injured.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2019, 01:55:06 PM
I actually think Carroll back to the barcodes will be one of those that works out ok. He’s only 30.

And already done. File next to Richards, Micah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SteveN on July 21, 2019, 02:11:48 PM
I read that Sheff Utd are close to signing a forward from Bournmouth, Moussa (sp?).
Leaving us to sign Maupay?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2019, 03:02:09 PM
I read that Sheff Utd are close to signing a forward from Bournmouth, Moussa (sp?).
Leaving us to sign Maupay?

They’ve completed that deal from Bournemouth. We will get Maupay before the deadline I reckon. He’ll fit in perfectly
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2019, 03:03:19 PM
Sheffield united paying 10m for guy who's scored 3 goals in 56 games for Bournemouth.

Puts some of our deals in perspective.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 21, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Bale on the verge of leaving Madrid in the next 48hrs according to Zidane. I wonder...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 21, 2019, 05:03:55 PM
Bale on the verge of leaving Madrid in the next 48hrs according to Zidane. I wonder...

We could all chip in a bit towards his £600k per week wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on July 21, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
Veretout to Roma for 19m euros..

We had a bloody good player there, at the worst possible time. Sigh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2019, 05:51:20 PM
Bale on the verge of leaving Madrid in the next 48hrs according to Zidane. I wonder...
Disliked by team mates  ( they call him the golfer) and supporters, 3 years left on his contract, stupid hair, Martin Keowns  love child.
Looks like a swap deal for Pogba.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 21, 2019, 06:20:07 PM
I was reading about that that golfer stuff earlier, and courtois (who sounds like a nasty gobby twat) moaning about him not staying up till 1am for a team meal. I’m not particularly fond of Bale but it sounds like a right cess pit over there and more than a whiff of the kind of intolerance and othering that would be unacceptable in a different context (say, french players over here getting ‘merc’d’ by Richards).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2019, 06:23:26 PM
After Luiz and Trez are confirmed imo we still need:

GK - Butland or Heaton
Striker - Maupay
Winger - Wilson loan to buy
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
If it wasn't for their dreadful injury records, either Carroll or Sturridge on a free, might have been worth considering for, say, a 2 year contract and therefore, lower risk.  However, and quite rightly, like Austin, such is their princess attitude, Villa won't touch them.  I reckon we will be scouting for another Kodjia type in the French leagues to add competition.  Wesley could really do with a couple of pre-season goals to get the ball rolling and take away any doubt about him scoring in the top leagues. I'd still like Maupay mind, fox in the box needed.

It might be the one position where we could consider a season long loan option.  I agree about the need for competition and with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis, I think we are one striker light.  Might be being a bit obvious and nostalgic, but trying to see if Benteke could recover some of his mojo on a loan with us or someone with a bit of pedigree in the top flight might be a smart move.

Like you, I would steer well clear of the likes of Sturridge and Carroll though.  We've been down that road too many times before and have ended up with our pants pulled down.  A loan might not be ideal, but it might tide us over until we see where we are in January and at the end of the season.



Carroll has had seven seasons at West Ham. Sturridge has had seven seasons at Liverpool if you take off the time he has been out on loan.

Sturridge's Liverpool record - Played 116 Missed 150 Goals 50
Carroll's West Ham record  -  Played 126 Missed 140 Goals 33
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2019, 08:17:12 PM
Knockeart to Fulham (on loan) is a weird one.

Always thought he looked like Brighton's most dangerous player.

Surprised other top flight clubs or clubs abroad weren't interested.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2019, 08:18:59 PM
After Luiz and Trez are confirmed imo we still need:

GK - Butland or Heaton
Striker - Maupay
Winger - Wilson loan to buy

I agree.  Dean said two players for every position, meaning, I guess, that your list is accurate.  We were short of wingers today and it showed, with Hogan on the right, although RHM did ok on the left to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Perthvillan on July 22, 2019, 07:40:39 AM
After Luiz and Trez are confirmed imo we still need:

GK - Butland or Heaton
Striker - Maupay
Winger - Wilson loan to buy

I agree.  Dean said two players for every position, meaning, I guess, that your list is accurate.  We were short of wingers today and it showed, with Hogan on the right, although RHM did ok on the left to be fair.
Double agree chaps.
I have a lot of time for Steer but it's essential we get another GK in.
We desperately also need a smaller quick striker (Maupay ideal).
We have a lot of uncertainties with some of our new (and existing) players, whether they will cut it in PL.
The first few games will be interesting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 22, 2019, 08:16:44 AM
Swap Wilson for Bowen and I’d be a very happy chappy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2019, 09:14:46 AM
me too a very good player who can play anywhere up front. As to Maupay, I still think wee'd have bought him if we wanted him by now, but if truth were told, I'm slightly disappointed we haven't identified our own version at a much lower cost!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 22, 2019, 09:23:44 AM
I think that Maupay may fall into the realms of the “transfer domino effect “.  He could be ours or even someone else’s second choice and until the first choice moves, Maupay is up in the air.  This is generally why the more complex transfers happen towards the end of the window- Any decent player is going to have more than one suitor and likewise, any decent club will have more than one target.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 22, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Be good if we could get Luiz and/or Trezeguet officially confirmed today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2019, 10:55:55 AM
I don't think we would have triggered Konza's release clause and strengthen Brentford's bargaining position if Maupay was a first choice pick. There might be something in it being him a second or third choice for that position though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 22, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
So we don’t think Marvelous is coming now then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2019, 11:32:51 AM
Be good if we could get Luiz and/or Trezeguet officially confirmed today.


Can only assume work permit issues will hold up both.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 22, 2019, 11:34:15 AM
Be good if we could get Luiz and/or Trezeguet officially confirmed today.


And Maupay and a keeper and all 4 officially announced and interviewed by jack WOODWARD .

I kept smiling to myself at all the comments on here including mine when I read back... to think the bloody state we were in may 18 compared to now, it’s truly unbelievable 😂👏🏻👊🏻 .
Knowing how the prem has moved on in last 3 years I just hope we don’t get embarrassed or piss take out of us. I hope not. We are so much more professional in many aspects as a club 13 months on
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
Be good if we could get Luiz and/or Trezeguet officially confirmed today.


Can only assume work permit issues will hold up both.

The press have had their moneys worth with those 2. There's been a newly regurgitated story at least twice a day on both 'arriving in the next 24 hrs', '48hrs', 'coming days', 'close to completion', 'agreed fee' etc, for the past week or more. Wouldn't surprise me if it carries on like this until deadline day with both announced then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2019, 11:56:45 AM
Knockeart to Fulham (on loan) is a weird one.

Always thought he looked like Brighton's most dangerous player.

Surprised other top flight clubs or clubs abroad weren't interested.

He was outstanding in the championship but struggled in the top division I think. Might have been the case for him at Leicester too?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 22, 2019, 12:35:18 PM
I'd be surprised if we sign Bowen. There's not been a reputable link all Summer and we don't need another winger now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2019, 01:09:37 PM
This #AnnounceMings, now Luiz, Trezeguet and today I say Maupay on Twitter is fucking cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 01:33:57 PM
This #AnnounceMings, now Luiz, Trezeguet and today I say Maupay on Twitter is fucking cringeworthy.

It's a bit sad but it's what Twitter is. There are great things about twitter, but the ability for people to scream demands 24/7 is definitely the very worst of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2019, 01:34:50 PM
This #AnnounceMings, now Luiz, Trezeguet and today I say Maupay on Twitter is fucking cringeworthy.

It's only a bit of entertainment. The entire #announceyadayada thing is something all fans do.

Here's a three year old article about it:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/4xz33j/the-announce-phenomenon-and-what-it-says-about-the-state-of-modern-football



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
While we are at it, can this god-awful trend of referring to players as 'ballers' please stop?  it's up there with 'tekkers' as piss-boilingly annoying.


As you were.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 22, 2019, 01:45:47 PM
They're all annoying, but so is almost everything that everyone says.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
I've also noticed on twitter lots of Villa fans posting stuff along the lines of "SOME VILLA FANS DRIVE ME NUTS, SLAGGING OFF THE SIGNINGS SO FAR, BE PATIENT, GIVE DEAN THE TIME" yet pretty much no posts moaning about our signings or suggesting he shouldn't get the time.

I think that's called 'virtue signalling'
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 22, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
While we are at it, can this god-awful trend of referring to players as 'ballers' please stop?  it's up there with 'tekkers' as piss-boilingly annoying.


As you were.

Seconded. It's fucking beyond irritating.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 22, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
I've also noticed on twitter lots of Villa fans posting stuff along the lines of "SOME VILLA FANS DRIVE ME NUTS, SLAGGING OFF THE SIGNINGS SO FAR, BE PATIENT, GIVE DEAN THE TIME" yet pretty much no posts moaning about our signings or suggesting he shouldn't get the time.

I think that's called 'virtue signalling'
It certainly sets the "Superfan Alert" going.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 22, 2019, 02:10:52 PM
Ampadu has signed for Leipzig on loan, so cross him off the list of potential midfielders
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 02:48:11 PM
Cor blimey, there’s some proper grumpiness knocking around in here today! 😂😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 22, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 22, 2019, 03:00:39 PM
Cor blimey, there’s some proper grumpiness knocking around in here today! 😂😂

"Cor Blimey?"  There's a lot of nostalga around at the moment for what happened in the space programme 50 years ago.  I'm sure it doesn't extend to 'Carry on' films of the same period.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
I've also noticed on twitter lots of Villa fans posting stuff along the lines of "SOME VILLA FANS DRIVE ME NUTS, SLAGGING OFF THE SIGNINGS SO FAR, BE PATIENT, GIVE DEAN THE TIME" yet pretty much no posts moaning about our signings or suggesting he shouldn't get the time.

I think that's called 'virtue signalling'

As long as no one is doing any "gaslighting" we should be OK.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 22, 2019, 03:20:49 PM
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2019, 03:27:06 PM
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

Yep, me too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 22, 2019, 03:45:31 PM
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

Yep, me too.

Agree
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2019, 04:04:22 PM
Well, I don't. 
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

I'm not sure that Maupay is what we need, but saying he's like Hogan is a bit like saying Mings is the same as Elphick because they both came from Bournemouth and are central defenders.

I've only seen him in when he's played us and in the obligatory Youtube videos, but he's clearly a much, much better player than Hogan.  On top of his goals he made 8 assists last year, which is not sot something Hogan would manage in 8 seasons, let alone 1.  He's also a lot younger, so will get better.

At the end of the day, if Smith brings him in, I'd trust that he'd know what he was doing over the likes of Bruce who bought Hogan with no thought whatsoever as to how to get the best out of him.  Smith is clearly trying to put all the pieces of a jigsaw together, Bruce went at it with all the finesse of Richard Madeley with a trolley in the wine aisle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2019, 04:09:51 PM
This #AnnounceMings, now Luiz, Trezeguet and today I say Maupay on Twitter is fucking cringeworthy.

It's only a bit of entertainment. The entire #announceyadayada thing is something all fans do.

Here's a three year old article about it:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/4xz33j/the-announce-phenomenon-and-what-it-says-about-the-state-of-modern-football





So what are you saying? I'm getting old and miserable? If that's the case I've been rumbled.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2019, 04:11:10 PM
well this is terminology  all very scary and I am now not going out after dark
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 04:25:02 PM
Cor blimey, there’s some proper grumpiness knocking around in here today! 😂😂

"Cor Blimey?"  There's a lot of nostalga around at the moment for what happened in the space programme 50 years ago.  I'm sure it doesn't extend to 'Carry on' films of the same period.

It’s what comes of living down south with these false cocknees!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 22, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
For all the business we're doing, we can still find a way to complain.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
While we are at it, can this god-awful trend of referring to players as 'ballers' please stop?  it's up there with 'tekkers' as piss-boilingly annoying.


As you were.

Aye, with you on that. That sort of thing needs to eradicated pronto.

Unless your local team is San Jose Sock Puppets or whatever they're called.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 22, 2019, 05:30:38 PM
I can see any goalkeeping signing we make going to deadline day. I reckon either Stoke or Burnley or both will crumble with their valuations the longer we wait. Both clubs must want to sell those players given Stoke have already signed a replacement. and Burnley have a player going into his final year of his contract when they already have two very able keepers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
I would rather not wait. Defenders need time to get to know goalkeepers. I would want one in for at least one preseason game, or else stick with Steer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 22, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
I also would want players in sooner rather than later for those exact same reasons. I'd also be happy for Jed to start the season. However I still do believe Butland is Villa's first choice and it's going to be a case of who blinks first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
I also would want players in sooner rather than later for those exact same reasons. I'd also be happy for Jed to start the season. However I still do believe Butland is Villa's first choice and it's going to be a case of who blinks first.

I agree, I'm not entirely sure he's worth what we'll end up paying (but value in this case is highly subjective anyway) but I suspect Butland will be in the Villa squad before the window closes.

I'd go with Him, Trezeguet, Luiz and possibly a striker as all that's left to be done (and I suspect the Nakamba, Maupay and Heaton links are the backups for 3 of those).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robleflaneur on July 22, 2019, 06:54:35 PM
Well, I don't. 
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

I'm not sure that Maupay is what we need, but saying he's like Hogan is a bit like saying Mings is the same as Elphick because they both came from Bournemouth and are central defenders.

I've only seen him in when he's played us and in the obligatory Youtube videos, but he's clearly a much, much better player than Hogan.  On top of his goals he made 8 assists last year, which is not sot something Hogan would manage in 8 seasons, let alone 1.  He's also a lot younger, so will get better.

At the end of the day, if Smith brings him in, I'd trust that he'd know what he was doing over the likes of Bruce who bought Hogan with no thought whatsoever as to how to get the best out of him.  Smith is clearly trying to put all the pieces of a jigsaw together, Bruce went at it with all the finesse of Richard Madeley with a trolley in the wine aisle.
Have to agree with the last assessment.
At the age that Hogan joined the pro ranks at Rochdale,Maupay had played in Ligue 1 and had a prolific season in Ligue 2 ,plus he's quicker and more agressive.
There is nothing wrong with scoring goals from close in,see the careers of Lineker and Gerd Muller.We would be getting a young striker who has represented France at various age groups and has had success in England.
Sounds quality to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2019, 07:13:54 PM
Well, I don't. 
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

I'm not sure that Maupay is what we need, but saying he's like Hogan is a bit like saying Mings is the same as Elphick because they both came from Bournemouth and are central defenders.

I've only seen him in when he's played us and in the obligatory Youtube videos, but he's clearly a much, much better player than Hogan.  On top of his goals he made 8 assists last year, which is not sot something Hogan would manage in 8 seasons, let alone 1.  He's also a lot younger, so will get better.

At the end of the day, if Smith brings him in, I'd trust that he'd know what he was doing over the likes of Bruce who bought Hogan with no thought whatsoever as to how to get the best out of him.  Smith is clearly trying to put all the pieces of a jigsaw together, Bruce went at it with all the finesse of Richard Madeley with a trolley in the wine aisle.

Maupay looked very good against us. Strong, mobile and aggressive. Im sure Hogan had some decent traits but not those three anyway.

Despite Bruce claiming he had scouted him since his Rochdale days, it was clear early on that he didn't suit the other attacking players we had at the time (Kodjia, Grealish et al ). That was a mad transfer window in terms of incomings/outgoings and there was definitely an element of Bruce signing guys who were going well flavour of the month elsewhere (Hogan, Hourihane, Lansbury).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SteveN on July 22, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
I still think Etheridge would be the best choice for a keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 22, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Well, I don't. 
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

I'm not sure that Maupay is what we need, but saying he's like Hogan is a bit like saying Mings is the same as Elphick because they both came from Bournemouth and are central defenders.

I've only seen him in when he's played us and in the obligatory Youtube videos, but he's clearly a much, much better player than Hogan.  On top of his goals he made 8 assists last year, which is not sot something Hogan would manage in 8 seasons, let alone 1.  He's also a lot younger, so will get better.

At the end of the day, if Smith brings him in, I'd trust that he'd know what he was doing over the likes of Bruce who bought Hogan with no thought whatsoever as to how to get the best out of him.  Smith is clearly trying to put all the pieces of a jigsaw together, Bruce went at it with all the finesse of Richard Madeley with a trolley in the wine aisle.

Maupay looked very good against us. Strong, mobile and aggressive. Im sure Hogan had some decent traits but not those three anyway.

Despite Bruce claiming he had scouted him since his Rochdale days, it was clear early on that he didn't suit the other attacking players we had at the time (Kodjia, Grealish et al ). That was a mad transfer window in terms of incomings/outgoings and there was definitely an element of Bruce signing guys who were going well flavour of the month elsewhere (Hogan, Hourihane, Lansbury).


well I hope you guys are right

or we’ll end up with two of the little fuckers running around getting on everyone’s nerves

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 08:30:34 PM
Maupay is much better than Hogan but I'm not sure he's good enough for the premier league yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 22, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
As others have suggested today, I’m not entirely convinced Maupay is the right player for us either. He’s clearly a good player at Championship level and knows where the back of the net is, but question marks whether he could do it in the Premier League...but no one will ever know that if he’s not given the chance. If we take the risk and it works out then we’ll have a valuable asset, but if he isn’t good enough then it’s a costly mistake.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 22, 2019, 08:58:34 PM
I can see any goalkeeping signing we make going to deadline day. I reckon either Stoke or Burnley or both will crumble with their valuations the longer we wait. Both clubs must want to sell those players given Stoke have already signed a replacement. and Burnley have a player going into his final year of his contract when they already have two very able keepers.

One of the talking heads on Twitter (seems reliable) reckons Villa back now in talks to Stoke re Butland. They will want to sell so seems playing waiting game works if we are the only club in for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2019, 08:59:53 PM
Christian Luyindama, anyone?

https://mobile.twitter.com/spornowcom/status/1153386893343694849
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2019, 09:13:49 PM
Christian Luyindama, anyone?

https://mobile.twitter.com/spornowcom/status/1153386893343694849
Another defender?  Can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
Defender/defensive midfielder/forward, according to Wiki.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on July 22, 2019, 09:15:33 PM
As others have suggested today, I’m not entirely convinced Maupay is the right player for us either. He’s clearly a good player at Championship level and knows where the back of the net is, but question marks whether he could do it in the Premier League...but no one will ever know that if he’s not given the chance. If we take the risk and it works out then we’ll have a valuable asset, but if he isn’t good enough then it’s a costly mistake.
I'd take a risk. He's much better than Hogan and not 23 until next month and has the profile to retain a decent value.

Mousset has just gone to Sheffield Utd for £10m on the back of doing very little, including a paltry 3 goals in the Prem over 3 seasons, but because he's young and probably because he's had Premier League experience over a few seasons, his value didn't really depreciate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on July 22, 2019, 09:19:48 PM
Defender/defensive midfielder/forward, according to Wiki.

Sounds like a decent Championship Manager signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2019, 09:26:11 PM
Defender/defensive midfielder/forward, according to Wiki.

If he can't play in goal as well he can feck off the one trick pony.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2019, 09:52:08 PM
I can see any goalkeeping signing we make going to deadline day. I reckon either Stoke or Burnley or both will crumble with their valuations the longer we wait. Both clubs must want to sell those players given Stoke have already signed a replacement. and Burnley have a player going into his final year of his contract when they already have two very able keepers.

One of the talking heads on Twitter (seems reliable) reckons Villa back now in talks to Stoke re Butland. They will want to sell so seems playing waiting game works if we are the only club in for him.

Stoke must be under pressure to cut costs this summer. Joe Allen or Woods would be a useful option in midfield too.

Lansbury, Kodjia and/or Hogan might be of interest in terms of a makeweight or two or three...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 10:24:52 PM
I think Butland has probably been our number 1 target and fair play for not wanting to pay over the odds.  If we can get him for around £10 to £12mill and have him for the next 5 years or so, that would represent good value, perhaps with one or two performance add ons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 10:29:54 PM
Benrahma links have resurfaced through some dodgy Get French Football clickbait type forum.  Be great if true though. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 22, 2019, 10:42:11 PM
I’m not overly convinced by Maupay but we are going to need someone to get to the penalty spot and 6 yard box. Maybe he’s second choice and we’re still in for someone else?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 22, 2019, 10:47:37 PM
Probably BS, but I read online the Butland deal could be back on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2019, 11:00:10 PM
Also apparently we have bid for Benrahma. Can we not just go get Bale and be done with it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 11:16:08 PM
I've been watching the EFL goals programmes they put on Sky Sports channel 403.  Benrahma is involved with so many good things for Brentford.  I would prefer him to either Trezeguet or El Ghazi to be honest.  Looks a classy player. All three would give us great competition and options.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 22, 2019, 11:21:50 PM
I still think Etheridge would be the best choice for a keeper.


I thought Etheridge was excellent in a struggling Cardiff side last season. I would be more than happy if we sign him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 22, 2019, 11:26:30 PM
Defender/defensive midfielder/forward, according to Wiki.

Sounds like a decent Championship Manager signing.


No, I used to stay away from those jack of all trades utility players when playing Championship Manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2019, 11:33:07 PM
Christian Lyundula or whatever his name is, frickin unit!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 01:23:54 AM
Buy Luyindama loan back Konsa to Brentford as part of an agreement to sign Maupay and Benrahma. Bring back Konsa next year when we could let Chester move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 23, 2019, 07:14:39 AM
Buy Luyindama loan back Konsa to Brentford as part of an agreement to sign Maupay and Benrahma. Bring back Konsa next year when we could let Chester move on.

Interesting shout re Konsa.  Personally, I’d only be for it if it was brought up during pre signing discussions with him.  I think it would be awful man management to bring him in, build up his hopes and aspirations, only to send him back to the Championship.

This summer has been the most exciting in my 50 years supporting the club.  Only big Ron’s first summer comes near.  I have no idea how these players are going to turn out and obviously, some will flop.  That’s why it’s vital to have cover in every position. I’d love Benrahma but are we being greedy given our signings in that position?  We certainly need another striker because if Wesley fails, we’re stuck.  If we have someone playing off him, that would be exciting but would limit the space for wide players further.

For me, a second striker is important, as is a keeper.  After that, we need to look at midfield.  There is no cover for Jack and/or SJM which is why I would like another central midfielder in as well as (assuming it’s done) Douglas.  Anything over and above that would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 23, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
Well, I don't. 
wanting Maupay has taken on  a life of its own the same way Nzogbia did before we signed him
and that worked out well !!

what’s the difference between Maupay and Hogan ?

I’m only going on the limited bits I’ve seen of him
But like Hogan he’s-

the same size and looks
scored a load of goals for Brentford in the Championship
lots of tap ins and rebounds exactly the same as Hogan
runs around a lot
like Hogan a has a massive reputation based on goal stats over a short period in the championship
is hyped and overrated on a wave social media myth building

I know someone is going to stay he’s a ‘totally different player’ to Hogan because that’s what people always say when they really believe he’s the answer

well I hope your right because he looks a doppelgänger for Hogan to me

I've been pretty much thinking exactly this myself!

I'm not sure that Maupay is what we need, but saying he's like Hogan is a bit like saying Mings is the same as Elphick because they both came from Bournemouth and are central defenders.

I've only seen him in when he's played us and in the obligatory Youtube videos, but he's clearly a much, much better player than Hogan.  On top of his goals he made 8 assists last year, which is not sot something Hogan would manage in 8 seasons, let alone 1.  He's also a lot younger, so will get better.

At the end of the day, if Smith brings him in, I'd trust that he'd know what he was doing over the likes of Bruce who bought Hogan with no thought whatsoever as to how to get the best out of him.  Smith is clearly trying to put all the pieces of a jigsaw together, Bruce went at it with all the finesse of Richard Madeley with a trolley in the wine aisle.

Maupay looked very good against us. Strong, mobile and aggressive. Im sure Hogan had some decent traits but not those three anyway.

Despite Bruce claiming he had scouted him since his Rochdale days, it was clear early on that he didn't suit the other attacking players we had at the time (Kodjia, Grealish et al ). That was a mad transfer window in terms of incomings/outgoings and there was definitely an element of Bruce signing guys who were going well flavour of the month elsewhere (Hogan, Hourihane, Lansbury).

Hogan's record at Brentford (not sure about assists) was good, not dissimilar to Maupay's.  I'd bet if we signed Maupay, gave him at most a 6 game run of starts and just pumped high balls up to him to chase after, he'd be just as shot of confidence and ineffective as Hogan has been for us.  The Mings/Elphick comparison doesn't work.   Elphick had a good solid run of games to show what he could do and showed he was full of errors.  I still think a good manager who plays to his strengths and gives him a good chance to establish himself will get a good player out of Hogan.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2019, 08:09:31 AM
I agree with KT about Hogan (but for me he will never be a Premier league player), I also think the issue for him was, when he joined he played up front with Kodja and he was never going to pass to him, if there was a goal scoring opportunity. Remember just after he signed Hogan was inside the 6 yard box and Kodja only had to pass to him, instead Kodja shot straight at the keeper.

He currently looks as though his confidence is Zero.

But we have him for another 2 years so it will be interesting to see what happens to him (probably another loan, I cannot see another club buying him), and then he will leave on a free transfer, he is not going to give up his £40k a week, and I don't blame him!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 23, 2019, 08:35:27 AM
Hogan would probably suit someone like West Brom if they still had Darren Moore.  His replacement seems to have reverted to Pulis ball so not much use him going there now.  A team that tries to play some football would suit him best, Fulham, maybe Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 08:59:38 AM
We need a Maupay like player and for Hogan to leave on loan or be sold, but I can't see us spending what Brentford would want so if someone comes in, I think it's going to be a cheaper, surprise name we haven't been linked with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2019, 09:43:56 AM
Maybe another striker is not a target for us: with AEG, Trezeguet and Jota we have the support for Wesley; perhaps await January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
Another striker is a must.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 23, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
ASTON VILLA WILL DO A FULHAM? RELEGATION FAVOURITES?



This U-tube video blogger puts a lot of the national press to shame in that her analysis of the Villa (a team she does not support) and her view on Steve Bruce is spot-on.

If you are short of time start at one minute five seconds
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
Listening to Simon Jordan and and a Geordie journalist (don't know his name) on talk sport last night.

Simon Jordan is quite impressed with our transfers, he said they were the right age, and this will give us a sell on transfer fee in the future for them,  and that alot of work had been done by Dean Smith to get the right people into the squad.

He was very complimentary of our owners and of Dean Smith although he did think we may need a goal scorer. He said that our transfer business could not be compared to Fulham's as they were buying players that the Manager did not want, but the owner was taken in by agents representing those players.

The geordie journalist said we would struggle and were no better than Fulham were although he believed we would be more organised, and that may keep us up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2019, 11:02:34 AM
ASTON VILLA WILL DO A FULHAM? RELEGATION FAVOURITES?



This U-tube video blogger puts a lot of the national press to shame in that her analysis of the Villa (a team she does not support) and her view on Steve Bruce is spot-on.

If you are short of time start at one minute five seconds

I like her content, she's enthusiastic and generally sensible.

One of her videos covered going to our home match against Small Heath last year as a neutral - well worth a watch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 11:11:54 AM
I think the guy Sid1964 was referring to is Shaun Custis who writes for the Sun. A rabid Newcastle supporter and a knobhead in my opinion, not least for thinking Bruce is still a decent manager, as does Jordan, who I do like.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 23, 2019, 11:19:41 AM
Is it getting to the stage where we are in danger of signing too many?

Example: if we sign Trezeguet and that is believed to be close, do we really need Benrahma as well? Surely not.

And if Douglas Luiz arrives which is imminent, do we really need Marvelous Nakamba too? Surely not.

If those 2 above go through as planned, i'll be more than happy with just a goalkeeper arriving and 1 more centre forward. Butland and Maupay would be my picks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
maybe the thought is that a front three of Benrahma Wesley and Trezeguet would be more than capable of scoring the goals we need? I don't know because I don't have that depth of knowledge, but if that is their thinking then Kodjia as back up to Wes would make sense without bringing in another out and out striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 23, 2019, 11:25:04 AM
I think the guy Sid1964 was referring to is Shaun Custis who writes for the Sun. A rabid Newcastle supporter and a knobhead in my opinion, not least for thinking Bruce is still a decent manager, as does Jordan, who I do like.


ive changed my mind on Simon Jordan,
 i used to think he was a bit of twat because of the headlines when he was at Crystal Palace

but listening to him on TS he's actually ok,
 he likes the Villa so that helps but even when i don't agree with him he puts a reasonable case forward and is quite knowledgeable about certain subjects

the only thing i can never understand is his love of Bruce especially the way Bruce walked out on him and the legal spat they had over it
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2019, 11:31:21 AM
maybe the thought is that a front three of Benrahma Wesley and Trezeguet would be more than capable of scoring the goals we need? I don't know because I don't have that depth of knowledge, but if that is their thinking then Kodjia as back up to Wes would make sense without bringing in another out and out striker.
This was my point a few posts ago ... I'd agree.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2019, 11:37:13 AM
quite right Mister E you beat me to it and I hadn't read your original, apologies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 23, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
ASTON VILLA WILL DO A FULHAM? RELEGATION FAVOURITES?



This U-tube video blogger puts a lot of the national press to shame in that her analysis of the Villa (a team she does not support) and her view on Steve Bruce is spot-on.

If you are short of time start at one minute five seconds

Thanks London Villa, enjoyed that.

PS @1'15" - "You might want to get yourself a cup of tea, maybe even a CRUMPET"

#vindicated #nosuchthingaspikelets :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
She is excellent isn't she?  How can a young vlogger like that talk so much more sense than all the usual rent-a-gobs we are used to hearing on the radio & in the press.  TalkSport should sign her up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 23, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
I think you'll see 4 more in;
Trezeguet
Then;
1 from Butland and Heaton, more likely Heaton
1 from Douglas and Marvellous, almost certainly Douglas
1 from Benrahma and Maupay, 50-50

I think 6 or so will leave as well, maybe some on loan. Possibilities with the first few most likely;
Nyland or Kalinic, Tuenzebe, Bree, Hepburn Murphy, Hogan, Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Thor, Davis.

Just my guess.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 23, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Some potentially dodgy shenanigans involved in the Marvellous deal apparently according to an article I read this morning (can’t find the link to it now). Hope it’s just media talking bolx.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 23, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
I think you'll see 4 more in;
Trezeguet
Then;
1 from Butland and Heaton, more likely Heaton
1 from Douglas and Marvellous, almost certainly Douglas
1 from Benrahma and Maupay, 50-50

I think 6 or so will leave as well, maybe some on loan. Possibilities with the first few most likely;
Nyland or Kalinic, Tuenzebe, Bree, Hepburn Murphy, Hogan, Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Thor, Davis.

Just my guess.

Tuanzebe wasn't ours to leave.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 23, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
maybe the thought is that a front three of Benrahma Wesley and Trezeguet would be more than capable of scoring the goals we need? I don't know because I don't have that depth of knowledge, but if that is their thinking then Kodjia as back up to Wes would make sense without bringing in another out and out striker.

Kodjia is completely done imo, injury ruined him and needs shipping out
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2019, 01:24:36 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/QpDzHVc/01a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpDzHVc)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2019, 01:31:20 PM
maybe the thought is that a front three of Benrahma Wesley and Trezeguet would be more than capable of scoring the goals we need? I don't know because I don't have that depth of knowledge, but if that is their thinking then Kodjia as back up to Wes would make sense without bringing in another out and out striker.

Kodjia is completely done imo, injury ruined him and needs shipping out

I thought he did ok in the run in last season. I wouldnt have any problem with him sticking around.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Some potentially dodgy shenanigans involved in the Marvellous deal apparently according to an article I read this morning (can’t find the link to it now). Hope it’s just media talking bolx.

dodgy in what sense?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 23, 2019, 01:40:54 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/QpDzHVc/01a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpDzHVc)


Hahaha😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 23, 2019, 01:42:38 PM
He was quite effective late on last season, and he had a good African nations tournament. I would'nt say he's done. I wouldn't really have much problem with him being back up striker from now till January at least.


maybe the thought is that a front three of Benrahma Wesley and Trezeguet would be more than capable of scoring the goals we need? I don't know because I don't have that depth of knowledge, but if that is their thinking then Kodjia as back up to Wes would make sense without bringing in another out and out striker.

Kodjia is completely done imo, injury ruined him and needs shipping out

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
I think Kodjia is fine as part of the squad, he won't start many games but if he's ok with that then I think he can add something. That being the case if we do sign another striker I'dprefer it to be someone young who also won't mind not being the first choice from the start of the season. The main reason is that, as people have mentioned, Wesley seems like someone who needs an arm around his shoulder, I'm not sure signing someone to take his place in the team (or that he sees as such) when he's played 2 halves for the club would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2019, 02:17:05 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/QpDzHVc/01a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpDzHVc)


Is that Messi disguised in the hoodie ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
No, it's Bannan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 23, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Some potentially dodgy shenanigans involved in the Marvellous deal apparently according to an article I read this morning (can’t find the link to it now). Hope it’s just media talking bolx.

dodgy in what sense?
Something about making them pay a few million to take some of our players on loan as part of the deal to inflate the price so he gets a work permit. The article appeared on my Google news feed but I can’t find it again now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2019, 03:35:04 PM
Some potentially dodgy shenanigans involved in the Marvellous deal apparently according to an article I read this morning (can’t find the link to it now). Hope it’s just media talking bolx.

dodgy in what sense?
Something about making them pay a few million to take some of our players on loan as part of the deal to inflate the price so he gets a work permit. The article appeared on my Google news feed but I can’t find it again now.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/23/report-aston-villa-demanded-club-brugge-pay-a-few-million-euros/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Reads like clickbait.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
Some potentially dodgy shenanigans involved in the Marvellous deal apparently according to an article I read this morning (can’t find the link to it now). Hope it’s just media talking bolx.

dodgy in what sense?
Something about making them pay a few million to take some of our players on loan as part of the deal to inflate the price so he gets a work permit. The article appeared on my Google news feed but I can’t find it again now.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/23/report-aston-villa-demanded-club-brugge-pay-a-few-million-euros/
Do we really think that Purslow is going to play these sorts of games?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
It depends on how it was spun.

I could imagine us saying "do you want..." as part of the deal, and then the press misrepresenting that as us "demanding" that they take a player off us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 23, 2019, 04:39:15 PM
I think you'll see 4 more in;
Trezeguet
Then;
1 from Butland and Heaton, more likely Heaton
1 from Douglas and Marvellous, almost certainly Douglas
1 from Benrahma and Maupay, 50-50

I think 6 or so will leave as well, maybe some on loan. Possibilities with the first few most likely;
Nyland or Kalinic, Tuenzebe, Bree, Hepburn Murphy, Hogan, Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Thor, Davis.

Just my guess.

Tuanzebe wasn't ours to leave.

I meant Tshibola.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2019, 04:50:13 PM
No, it's Bannan.

I thought it was Mazrim.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 23, 2019, 05:24:10 PM
Another day passes and no further on with any of these rumoured deals. I've never understood that, come Sky's deadline day, a deal can be started at 10.59pm (11.00pm transfer closure cut-off time) and be concluded in time for the player to be cleared for playing  often within 72 hours - including work permit clearance, if from overseas?? I don't get it!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
Another day passes and no further on with any of these rumoured deals. I've never understood that, come Sky's deadline day, a deal can be started at 10.59pm (11.00pm transfer closure cut-off time) and be concluded in time for the player to be cleared for playing  often within 72 hours - including work permit clearance, if from overseas?? I don't get it!

You're comparing apples and pears there. On deadline day, at 11pm they're not signing a contract, they're submitting a form that shows they intend to complete the transfer and then they get an extra window to do so. For work permits they have a 'board' setup ready and waiting to pass them on that day but earlier in the window there's no such rush. Finally when news leaks to the press in the final day it's normally for a transfer which is pretty well progressed. earlier in the window, with less activity, the leaks come out much earlier in the process. Trezeguet, for example, was because Suso and Smith were at an Egypt game. Luiz because he flew to Minnesota to meet with Smith and Purslow. On deadline day you wouldn't fly some out for a chat and then let them go home to think about it and you certainly wouldn't go to game to watch a potential target.

In short, be patient, there's nothing unusual about things taking a coupe of weeks to complete, especially for foreign based players with work permit requirements.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
Another day passes and no further on with any of these rumoured deals. I've never understood that, come Sky's deadline day, a deal can be started at 10.59pm (11.00pm transfer closure cut-off time) and be concluded in time for the player to be cleared for playing  often within 72 hours - including work permit clearance, if from overseas?? I don't get it!

Why are you panicking? Stop reading Twitter every 10 seconds, or watching the same re-run on Sky. We have had a superb window. This isn’t a video game where you can buy a player in minutes. There are deals agreed to. The manager and CEO have both said there are a few more to go. They’ve come through way more than any of us expected. Chill out man.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 23, 2019, 06:06:38 PM
I'm not denying that we've had a decent window, just pointing out the irony of deadline day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 23, 2019, 06:15:04 PM
I'm not denying that we've had a decent window, just pointing out the irony of deadline day.

Whilst you can sign a player, as Man City have done with Douglas, it doesn’t mean you can play them unless they are nailed on, regular internationals.  The immigration agency doesn’t work around deadline day or make exceptions.

We witnessed the same process with Wesley and the fact that no other clubs have been publicly linked with these players is encouraging.  I think both are done bar the red tape.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2019, 06:20:40 PM
Work permits, international clearance etc when the world and his wife are on holiday and there’s no bugger at work to push the papers through.  We just have to be  patient and wait for Phyllis gets back from Bognor Regis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
No, it's Bannan.

I thought it was Mazrim.

Lol.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
I'm not denying that we've had a decent window, just pointing out the irony of deadline day.

Whilst you can sign a player, as Man City have done with Douglas, it doesn’t mean you can play them unless they are nailed on, regular internationals.  The immigration agency doesn’t work around deadline day or make exceptions.

We witnessed the same process with Wesley and the fact that no other clubs have been publicly linked with these players is encouraging. I think both are done bar the red tape.

Well, encouraging in one sense anyway. I have been quietly wondering why no clubs have rivalled us for any of the 8 we've brought in so far. Bit strange but perhaps just a reflection of the window.

Anyway yes, agree with others, no need to get carried away because things have slowed down. Still fairly confident we'll get our business done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 23, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
The Meaning Evil (yes I know) has us linked to another from the AfCON Luyindama? Currently in Turkey but previously played in Belgium
Are we attempting to outspend Fulham ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 23, 2019, 06:52:36 PM
I'm not denying that we've had a decent window, just pointing out the irony of deadline day.

Whilst you can sign a player, as Man City have done with Douglas, it doesn’t mean you can play them unless they are nailed on, regular internationals.  The immigration agency doesn’t work around deadline day or make exceptions.

We witnessed the same process with Wesley and the fact that no other clubs have been publicly linked with these players is encouraging. I think both are done bar the red tape.

Well, encouraging in one sense anyway. I have been quietly wondering why no clubs have rivalled us for any of the 8 we've brought in so far. Bit strange but perhaps just a reflection of the window.

Anyway yes, agree with others, no need to get carried away because things have slowed down. Still fairly confident we'll get our business done.

None of us know that there haven’t been rivals - the fact is Mings aside all our deals have only hit the press when they are as good as done or done entirely. 

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
Newcastle finally spunked their wad, £40m on a striker who scored 7 goals in the Bundesliga last season. Wes don't seem so dear.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2019, 07:07:58 PM
Newcastle finally spunked their wad, £40m on a striker who scored 7 goals in the Bundesliga last season.

His Uncle Ivor played for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
Sky transfer show? What a load of old pony

Make it up as they go along 😧🤔
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 23, 2019, 10:42:44 PM
Newcastle finally spunked their wad, £40m on a striker who scored 7 goals in the Bundesliga last season.

His Uncle Ivor played for us.


He has signed a six year deal.

He will be there five years longer than Bruce lasts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Newcastle finally spunked their wad, £40m on a striker who scored 7 goals in the Bundesliga last season.

His Uncle Ivor played for us.


He has signed a six year deal.

He will be there five years longer than Bruce lasts.


Don't be ridiculous.

5.5!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on July 23, 2019, 11:59:59 PM
Need a quality striker and holding midfielder to complete the spending.   

So need to get on with it!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2019, 06:28:43 AM
Need a quality striker and holding midfielder to complete the spending.   

So need to get on with it!

Don’t think anyone can say they are not getting on with it Tony!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2019, 07:27:40 AM
Need a quality striker and holding midfielder to complete the spending.   

So need to get on with it!

Don’t think anyone can say they are not getting on with it Tony!

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on July 24, 2019, 07:31:06 AM
And a Goalkeeper.  Get those in and we can't ask for more from a summer transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2019, 08:07:23 AM
Newcastle finally spunked their wad, £40m on a striker who scored 7 goals in the Bundesliga last season.

His Uncle Ivor played for us.


He has signed a six year deal.

He will be there five years longer than Bruce lasts.

6 months. He'll demand to be sold next summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Need a quality striker and holding midfielder to complete the spending.   

So need to get on with it!

Ironic post of the year or something else?

 :o
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
Aston Villa sign Egyptian winger from Turkish club
The move from Turkish club Kasimpasa to Villa Park is subject to a work visa and international clearance

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/sport/football/aston-villa-sign-egyptian-winger-from-turkish-club/24/07/

Just wanted to post a link from the London economic......yes they cover football

I want 4 or 5 more signings Jack Butland, Douglas Luiz, Neal Maupay and Said Benrahma then Jesus Garcia Pitarch can rest
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2019, 10:39:01 AM
I think we'd probably be OK with just Douglas or equivalent coming in now, but to push a little further on i'd say a GK and another forward of some sort. I think much more at that point and you're looking at overkill, the guys we've got need to be given chances.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 10:49:10 AM
Trezeguet - the Real Deal?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 10:53:51 AM
I think we'd probably be OK with just Douglas or equivalent coming in now, but to push a little further on i'd say a GK and another forward of some sort. I think much more at that point and you're looking at overkill, the guys we've got need to be given chances.

But what do we do if Wesley or Douglas gets injured?
and surely we need to start the season with four wide players?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
You could say that about the injuries at any club though. We do already have players that could come in for them, admittedly not brilliant ones but there is the window in Jan. I trust them to get it right but it's my opinion that there's probably a limit to how many we need for the reasons that i mentioned. We have 3 wide players, El Ghazi, Green and Trezeguet and then 2 more that could play wide in Kodjia and Jota.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2019, 11:31:09 AM
Next please 😎
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 24, 2019, 11:32:57 AM
I think we'd probably be OK with just Douglas or equivalent coming in now, but to push a little further on i'd say a GK and another forward of some sort. I think much more at that point and you're looking at overkill, the guys we've got need to be given chances.

But what do we do if Wesley or Douglas gets injured?
and surely we need to start the season with four wide players?

It depends how we line up regarding wide players.

We certainly need another striker.  Hogan needs to drop back down and (I say this with a heavy heart) Kodj should be 3rd choice if he wants to play that role.  Keenan needs to go out on loan as does Rush.

I agree we need something else in theDM/midfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2019, 11:40:49 AM
Possibly the best thing we've done this summer is to have been to get the majority of our business done early. When you need to do such a big overhaul that's going to allow you to get people settled and used to working with eachother and gives us the chance to get 1-2 more in closer to the deadline that may take longer. Fulham did the opposite. In Guibert's case he had about 6 months to find a house, start English lessons etc. And obviously a few were already here and Jota would have already been living in the area I presume.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 24, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
How many players do we currently have in our squad, for me we need 2 more - Goal Keeper and a DM, and then we are done

There are going to be quite few of our squad players either sitting in the stands or pushing a shopping trolley around Waitrose every Saturday afternoon.

Our wage bill must be huge with all these new signings?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to start as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
I'd say we need 2 more midfielders, a GK and at least one (possibly 2) more forward.


Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2019, 12:50:39 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Indeed it is, but we are Villans and still want more!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Indeed it is, but we are Villans and still want more!
I thought we are Lions
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 01:15:56 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Indeed it is, but we are Villans and still want more!
I thought we are Lions

Aston Villa F.C.
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Full name   Aston Villa Football Club
Nickname(s)   Villans, The Villa, The Lions, The Claret & Blue Army
Short name   Villa, AVFC
Founded   21 November 1874; 144 years ago
Aston Villa Football Club (nicknamed Villa, The Villa, The Villans and The Lions)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 24, 2019, 01:34:59 PM
Butland and then we are done
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 24, 2019, 01:38:30 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Is certainly a swing and a half.

If we can do ourselves proud this season and push on then imagine what these guys can spend on quality players instead of quantity at the moment. I don't mean anything is worng with what we have done, far from it, but once our base squad is settled then we will need less volume but higher quality acquisitions

exciting times indeed

I think we are going to surprise Spurs
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 24, 2019, 01:39:47 PM
I think we're fine (assuming Luiz signs). A forward if the right one is available or the Maupay price drops sufficiently but we can make do until January if not.

Welbeck might not be a bad shout on the right contract. The closer it gets to the start of August the more reasonable his contract might be.

I've always loved Sturridge's style and but football isn't his main passion, he rarely declares himself fit and he's not been consistent for a long time.

Rhian Brewster on loan might be an option too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 24, 2019, 02:25:39 PM
Trezeguet - the Real Deal?



no doubt someone to take the "diving accusations' off Jack's shoulders?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2019, 02:30:11 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Totally agree.  I'm veering wildly between believing that we're going to smash Spurs 4-0 on the way to being top of the table by Christmas, to then having having the whipped dog Villa fan in me think we'll have 0 points after 6 games.  Either way, can't bloody wait.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Totally agree.  I'm veering wildly between believing that we're going to smash Spurs 4-0 on the way to being top of the table by Christmas, to then having having the whipped dog Villa fan in me think we'll have 0 points after 6 games.  Either way, can't bloody wait.

I wish I were doing the same but I'm expecting 7-8 points from the first 6 and for us to plod along in mid-table all season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 24, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Totally agree.  I'm veering wildly between believing that we're going to smash Spurs 4-0 on the way to being top of the table by Christmas, to then having having the whipped dog Villa fan in me think we'll have 0 points after 6 games.  Either way, can't bloody wait.

I wish I were doing the same but I'm expecting 7-8 points from the first 6 and for us to plod along in mid-table all season.

I would happily take that for a first season back in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
I honestly do think we'll surprise a few people this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 24, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
I fully appreciate a tiny piece me accepts this might all blow up on us (we are Aston Villa after all) but fuck me, I have never wanted a season to stray as much as this. Three years in the wilderness and almost out of business to how £100m spent and more to come. Amazing

Indeed it is, but we are Villans and still want more!
I thought we are Lions

Aston Villa F.C.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Full name   Aston Villa Football Club
Nickname(s)   Villans, The Villa, The Lions, The Claret & Blue Army
Short name   Villa, AVFC
Founded   21 November 1874; 144 years ago
Aston Villa Football Club (nicknamed Villa, The Villa, The Villans and The Lions)

Slightly incorrect as nickname is Villains.
We, as supporters, are Villans
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 24, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
I honestly do think we'll surprise a few people this season.

Me too, Risso.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on July 24, 2019, 03:35:18 PM
Rarely hear the ‘come on you lions’ cry anymore. :-( . In fact can’t remember the last time I heard it apart from in my head!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 04:11:02 PM
What I absolutely know is that we will go into every game looking to win. Something that could almost never be said for a Steve Bruce team and for every manager we had post MON. And even with MON it frustrated me no end when he used to say “we’re going to give it a right go” or words to that affect. I don’t want roll up our sleeves. I don’t want us pulling up our fucking socks, or we will give it our best shot. I want tactics. I want a plan. And more than all of it I want a desire to win the game every time we play.

And if you want to know about desire, there is a bit in August’s Four Four Two about the influence of John Terry in the Chelsea dressing room. Not to be fucked with. I imagine he brings a bit of that to our club now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2019, 04:16:32 PM
Luiz (or alternative if can’t get work permit etc) & a goalkeeper are the essentials for me - would like another striker also but that is would like not must have.

I just don’t see how you would buy a new defence for 50 odd million and put Jed behind them, need a big, strong keeper who makes good decisions - Jed is IMHO a v good shot stopper but defending set pieces he’s largely anonymous and Is not convincing when leaving his area
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2019, 04:19:51 PM
Another striker is a must have for me. All our cover players are injury prone and I would rather send Davis and Hepburn Murphy on loan to see what they can do than have to rely on them.

I could live without another goalkeeper. Steer is fine, and has proven himself a good penalty stopper, too, which is likely to be very important in the first VAR season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2019, 04:28:09 PM
I honestly do think we'll surprise a few people this season.

Please don't be disappointed when we lose. It's bound to happen, and not because we're shit but because the opposition are just better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
I fully expect to be disappointed when we lose. It’s part and parcel of being a fan. Even if we are playing Liverpool or Man City.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2019, 04:45:42 PM
I think the one important thing is that, however we do, it is not going to be boring.

My overriding memory of everything from 2012 to last year was of being bored.

The main reason I ditched my ST for a couple of years was because i had had enough of been bored shitless and watching us circle the plug hole for years before inevitably going down the hole. I found myself grasping at reasons not to bother going to matches, despite having paid to see them all up front, it was so grimly austere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
I think the one important thing is that, however we do, it is not going to be boring.

My overriding memory of everything from 2012 to last year was of being bored.

The main reason I ditched my ST for a couple of years was because i had had enough of been bored shitless and watching us circle the plug hole for years before inevitably going down the hole. I found myself grasping at reasons not to bother going to matches, despite having paid to see them all up front, it was so grimly austere.

We went into most games with a white flag and an attitude that we would sneak a win. It generally leads to boring, grind out, turgid football.

But I will never have a problem if we try to score goals and win games. We don’t need to be Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle with zero discipline. You can attack while being disciplined and try to keep the ball and dominate possession. We won’t be scared of anyone. I love that about Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
I think we're fine (assuming Luiz signs). A forward if the right one is available or the Maupay price drops sufficiently but we can make do until January if not.

Welbeck might not be a bad shout on the right contract. The closer it gets to the start of August the more reasonable his contract might be.

I've always loved Sturridge's style and but football isn't his main passion, he rarely declares himself fit and he's not been consistent for a long time.

Rhian Brewster on loan might be an option too.

Wellbeck is injury prone and very very average. 29 later this year and has never got 10 league goals in a single season. The most he scored for Arsenal in a single season was 5 league goals! One for Bruce I expect.

I'm glad we are away from taking a punt on broken down average players like Sturridge or Wellbeck.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2019, 05:16:55 PM
I think the one important thing is that, however we do, it is not going to be boring.

My overriding memory of everything from 2012 to last year was of being bored.

The main reason I ditched my ST for a couple of years was because i had had enough of been bored shitless and watching us circle the plug hole for years before inevitably going down the hole. I found myself grasping at reasons not to bother going to matches, despite having paid to see them all up front, it was so grimly austere.

We went into most games with a white flag and an attitude that we would sneak a win. It generally leads to boring, grind out, turgid football.

But I will never have a problem if we try to score goals and win games. We don’t need to be Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle with zero discipline. You can attack while being disciplined and try to keep the ball and dominate possession. We won’t be scared of anyone. I love that about Dean Smith.

When Bruce retires that bold bit will sum up his entire career. That, more than anything else, is why I hated him being our manager, Everything was safety first. The difference between the 2 playoff finals is that we played Fulham hoping to stop them playing and we played Derby daring them to try.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
And we all knew going into that final vs Fulham that is precisely what Bruce would do. He had more than enough attacking weapons that if used correctly could win the game outright. There was simply no need to play a defensive style. But from the kick off it’s what we did. We conceded the psychological ground immediately. We were never going to score let alone win as soon as they went 1-0 up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on July 24, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
And we all knew going into that final vs Fulham that is precisely what Bruce would do. He had more than enough attacking weapons that if used correctly could win the game outright. There was simply no need to play a defensive style. But from the kick off it’s what we did. We conceded the psychological ground immediately. We were never going to score let alone win as soon as they went 1-0 up.
As things have turned out this was a great result for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2019, 05:23:38 PM
Being linked to a Roma striker - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/24/do-report-aston-villa-hi-jack-bid-to-sign-romas-16m-striker-greg/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
And we all knew going into that final vs Fulham that is precisely what Bruce would do. He had more than enough attacking weapons that if used correctly could win the game outright. There was simply no need to play a defensive style. But from the kick off it’s what we did. We conceded the psychological ground immediately. We were never going to score let alone win as soon as they went 1-0 up.
As things have turned out this was a great result for us.

In hindsight it absolutely was. As was the decision to let Whelan take a penalty.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
And put superglue on McCormack's gate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 24, 2019, 06:31:43 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...
And is supposedly out of action until December.
Let’s hope this is one of those rumours that has nothing in it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
Crystal Palace vying with Aston Villa for young star to solve Roy Hodgson's problem position

Palace and Villa are among the clubs in the market for Irish striker Jonathan Afolabi

https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/transfer-news/crystal-palace-vying-aston-villa-16639946

Does anyone know anything about Jonathan Afolabi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 24, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
Crystal Palace vying with Aston Villa for young star to solve Roy Hodgson's problem position

Palace and Villa are among the clubs in the market for Irish striker Jonathan Afolabi

https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/transfer-news/crystal-palace-vying-aston-villa-16639946

Does anyone know anything about Jonathan Afolabi

I watched a bit of him last week playing for the Irish U19's in Croatia I think it was.  He was quite impressive, big, pacy a little bit of skill but raw.  I can see where the interest is coming from.  Definitely nowhere near ready for the EPL.  Not what we need at the moment, one for the future.  Isn't he with Southampton already?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on July 24, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
I think he rejected signing to them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2019, 08:19:38 PM
Crystal Palace vying with Aston Villa for young star to solve Roy Hodgson's problem position

Palace and Villa are among the clubs in the market for Irish striker Jonathan Afolabi

https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/transfer-news/crystal-palace-vying-aston-villa-16639946

Does anyone know anything about Jonathan Afolabi

I watched a bit of him last week playing for the Irish U19's in Croatia I think it was.  He was quite impressive, big, pacy a little bit of skill but raw.  I can see where the interest is coming from.  Definitely nowhere near ready for the EPL.  Not what we need at the moment, one for the future.  Isn't he with Southampton already?

He's left southampton so this is a straight up free transfer if it happens. I think he fits the profile of players I'd be looking for now, adding a bit of extra quality to the reserves and seeing if they can add something in 6-12 months time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...

Mattia Perin. He's really, really good apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 08:46:21 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...

Mattia Perin. He's really, really good apparently.

Hopefully a lot better than the last Italian keeper we signed. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2019, 08:47:32 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...

Mattia Perin. He's really, really good apparently.

Hopefully a lot better than the last Italian keeper we signed.

The one that's first choice for Champions League Atalanta?

Yeah, what a bullet dodged that one was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 09:43:18 PM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...

Mattia Perin. He's really, really good apparently.

Hopefully a lot better than the last Italian keeper we signed.

The one that's first choice for Champions League Atalanta?

Yeah, what a bullet dodged that one was.

Amazing isn't it how some of those signings have gone on to be real quality! Was terrible for Villa but done great since leaving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2019, 10:26:01 PM
Aston Villa and Arsenal are in talks about a possible deal to sign Al Ahly goalkeeper Mohamed El Shenawy this summer.

https://readastonvilla.com/2019/07/24/exclusive%e2%80%8b-aston-villa-and-arsenal-in-talks-over-deal-for-mohamed-el-shenawy/

Director in London ‘in next few hours’ to sell player to Aston Villa – Potentially impressive signing

The latest claim involves Juventus goalkeeper Mattia Perin, and comes from Calciomercato. He was set to join Benfica for around €15m, before the Lisbon club pulled out of the deal.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-london-next-hours-sell-player-aston-villa-impressive-interesting-signing/

Let's get all the goalkeepers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
I would rather pay the £25m for Jack Butland tbh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
Aren’t we just smoking Stoke out over Butland with all these links? It looks that way to me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
I honestly do think we'll surprise a few people this season.

I think we'll probably be a bit naive and got all mental and attack everybody. We'll take a fair few drummings, but probably beat one or two that arent switched on.

Some of the football tonight was very good. Still need a few more though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 11:44:32 PM
A keeper and DCM are key to success or survival, depending on ones optimism level.  We will need the whole team to chip in with goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 25, 2019, 12:00:26 AM
I honestly do think we'll surprise a few people this season.

I think we'll probably be a bit naive and got all mental and attack everybody. We'll take a fair few drummings, but probably beat one or two that arent switched on.

Some of the football tonight was very good. Still need a few more though.

I can just about accept a drubbing (actually, I can't), but if we are going to get one, please don't let it be against someone like Liverpool, with Klopp prancing around like a macho maniac and his pre planned celebrations. (Whilst firmino does some stupid dance after scoring a 'no look' goal)

Other than that, no problem.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2019, 06:56:45 AM
I think the problem is that most fans are very impatient with any new signing, and expect them to be some sort of world beater, I remember comments on here about Veretout, for me he looked a good footballer, but some on here could not wait to get him out of the side and then be sold!

It will be interesting to read comments about our 9 (to date) new signings after a couple of games it will be the usual "he is shit" "why did we waste our money on him" etc... we need patience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
I think the problem is that most fans are very impatient with any new signing, and expect them to be some sort of world beater, I remember comments on here about Veretout, for me he looked a good footballer, but some on here could not wait to get him out of the side and then be sold!

It will be interesting to read comments about our 9 (to date) new signings after a couple of games it will be the usual "he is shit" "why did we waste our money on him" etc... we need patience.


I would like to think it will be like BFR's 1991 summer rebuild and be successful.

Although I wonder who will turn out to be the new Paul Mortimer of the group and back out the door come January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
Steve Bruce's best mate and next door neighbour in Portugal Sam Allardyce is knocking us for all the signings we have made since promotion. He reckons he would have kept a settled squad an only made three signings.

Bolton Wanderers promoted to Premier League 2001.
Manager Sam Allardyce.
Signings 2001-2002 season -

1 Henrik Pederson
2 Rod Wallace
3 Derek Niven
4 Jeremy Bon
5 Bruno N' Gotty
6 Gerald Forschelet
7 Stig Tofting
8 Youri Djorkaeff
9 Jeff Casser
10 Kevin Poole
11 Nicky Southall

Whatever you say Sam, whatever you say  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2019, 09:49:59 AM
Aston Villa and Arsenal are in talks about a possible deal to sign Al Ahly goalkeeper Mohamed El Shenawy this summer.

https://readastonvilla.com/2019/07/24/exclusive%e2%80%8b-aston-villa-and-arsenal-in-talks-over-deal-for-mohamed-el-shenawy/

Director in London ‘in next few hours’ to sell player to Aston Villa – Potentially impressive signing

The latest claim involves Juventus goalkeeper Mattia Perin, and comes from Calciomercato. He was set to join Benfica for around €15m, before the Lisbon club pulled out of the deal.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-london-next-hours-sell-player-aston-villa-impressive-interesting-signing/

Let's get all the goalkeepers

Stil want Jack Butland as I think he is better and younger than most of the player we have been linked to



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Galatasaray expecting Aston Villa bid for Christian Luyindama

https://sportslens.com/galatasaray-expecting-aston-villa-bid-for-christian-luyindama/271333/


Nice to have but do we need him?



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 10:02:29 AM
I'd say Gollini was too young and inexperienced to be thrown in when he was, but then again i said that at the time. Veretout was indeed a good footballer, did seem a bit sullen which isn't often a good sign but i think he was the right player at the wrong time, the whole set up was a shambles then. You could say similar about Amavi and he also had the injury to content with. Ayew i actually thought did very well for us under the circumstances and I'm often surprised at some of the negative comments he gets.
As for Perrin, he does have more experience than Gollini had but he does appear to have a bad injury record, but i suppose so has Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 25, 2019, 10:09:01 AM
Linked with Juventus second choice keeper that apparently failed a medical at Benfica recently...

Mattia Perin. He's really, really good apparently.

Based only on what my Portuguese colleague tells me, he's injury prone and Benfica didn't want him because of his serious shoulder problems
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Steve Bruce's best mate and next door neighbour in Portugal Sam Allardyce is knocking us for all the signings we have made since promotion. He reckons he would have kept a settled squad an only made three signings.

Bolton Wanderers promoted to Premier League 2001.
Manager Sam Allardyce.
Signings 2001-2002 season -

1 Henrik Pederson
2 Rod Wallace
3 Derek Niven
4 Jeremy Bon
5 Bruno N' Gotty
6 Gerald Forschelet
7 Stig Tofting
8 Youri Djorkaeff
9 Jeff Casser
10 Kevin Poole
11 Nicky Southall

Whatever you say Sam, whatever you say  ;)


yes we should have kept that ageing and on loan side !! do some research Sam
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2019, 10:11:08 AM
I'd say Gollini was too young and inexperienced to be thrown in when he was, but then again i said that at the time. Veretout was indeed a good footballer, did seem a bit sullen which isn't often a good sign but i think he was the right player at the wrong time, the whole set up was a shambles then. You could say similar about Amavi and he also had the injury to content with. Ayew i actually thought did very well for us under the circumstances and I'm often surprised at some of the negative comments he gets.
As for Perrin, he does have more experience than Gollini had but he does appear to have a bad injury record, but i suppose so has Mings.

Gollini complained that the quality of the goalkeeping coaching was poor (and he would not improve) interesting to note that Dean Smith appointed Neil Cutler as the club's new Goalkeeping Coach. Gollini is now playing Champions League football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2019, 10:15:27 AM
A keeper and DCM are key to success or survival, depending on ones optimism level.  We will need the whole team to chip in with goals.

Bang on the money for me - another striker &/or winger would be a nice to have but Luiz (or alternative) & a proper quality keeper are must haves
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 25, 2019, 10:18:42 AM
If you recieved the kick backs that prick did from transfers you'd sign 20 a season.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
I'd say Gollini was too young and inexperienced to be thrown in when he was, but then again i said that at the time. Veretout was indeed a good footballer, did seem a bit sullen which isn't often a good sign but i think he was the right player at the wrong time, the whole set up was a shambles then. You could say similar about Amavi and he also had the injury to content with. Ayew i actually thought did very well for us under the circumstances and I'm often surprised at some of the negative comments he gets.
As for Perrin, he does have more experience than Gollini had but he does appear to have a bad injury record, but i suppose so has Mings.

Gollini complained that the quality of the goalkeeping coaching was poor (and he would not improve) interesting to note that Dean Smith appointed Neil Cutler as the club's new Goalkeeping Coach. Gollini is now playing Champions League football.

I would complain that the quality of Gollini’s goalkeeping was poor and that is why he was dropped.

There was a good goalkeeper in there and I’m not surprised that he’s doing well now.  However, young keepers are prone to mistakes and he was no different.

I thought his argument was that he wanted an Italian coach rather than our coaches being poor.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: postal on July 25, 2019, 10:56:48 AM
So we have spent money on defense and forwards... how "strong" is our midfield?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2019, 11:13:32 AM
some reports from Belgium that Nakamba is coming in on loan - maybe plan B for Douglas should he not get a WP. Also Maupay left out of the Brentford side again yesterday. He's definitely on the move somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 11:24:21 AM
Two weeks left before the window closes. Work to be done, exciting times before we settle down and hopefully give a really good account of ourselves. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
So we have spent money on defense and forwards... how "strong" is our midfield?

With Luiz I think it's fine.

Grealish, McGinn, Douglas to start, Hourihane, Lansbury and O'Hare all currently getting game time and look reasonable as cover and Engels and Jota look like they could easily come into there as well. That's ignoring Bjarnason who I think will be moved on.

There are still problems there but it's no different than Taylor being our cover at left back, we were never going to address all of our issues in a single window but once Douglas (or someone else if that doesn't happen) is complete I'd say we've done a very good job in building a squad to be competitive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 11:54:31 AM
Twatter adamant that Makamba is coming.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 25, 2019, 11:58:50 AM
So is Talksport. Apparently he's in the UK, and the deal should go through tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 25, 2019, 12:03:49 PM
some reports from Belgium that Nakamba is coming in on loan - maybe plan B for Douglas should he not get a WP. Also Maupay left out of the Brentford side again yesterday. He's definitely on the move somewhere.

Brighton most likely
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charlatan on July 25, 2019, 12:06:31 PM
Twatter adamant that Makamba is coming.
narvelous
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
will be still get Luis if Marvelous is signed

lets hope
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 25, 2019, 12:10:32 PM
Twatter adamant that Makamba is coming.

He's done some damage to his reputation with the AWOL hi-jinks, I really do hope he doesn't upset the mood in our dressing room.

Dean has been at pains to establish a philosophy of hard work and composure. Would be a massive shame to bring in someone who throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.

Aside from all that... does anyone know if Nakamba is any use as a player?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 25, 2019, 12:11:14 PM

I'd like to think Marevlous will be as well as Luiz, two excellent options for the CDM role.

Maybe then we can farm out the likes of Birkir and Angela as neither are PL level and no doubt on a decent wage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
Twatter adamant that Makamba is coming.

He's done some damage to his reputation with the AWOL hi-jinks, I really do hope he doesn't upset the mood in our dressing room.

Dean has been at pains to establish a philosophy of hard work and composure. Would be a massive shame to bring in someone who throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.

Aside from all that... does anyone know if Nakamba is any use as a player?

he will joining two of his mates
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:15:01 PM
Wasn't it the case that we agreed a fee then they moved the goalposts? If so, you can understand him playing up.

And besides, Dwight Yorke whored himself out to Man United all summer, while still contracted to be a Villa player. He still did alright when he arrived to actually play for them.

Let us be the big, nasty, side that unsettles players to get what we want, for a change.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Sky Sports have just announced that the Marvellous deal has been completed.



That's better 😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:17:46 PM
Yaaay. If only there was a suitable adjective. I'll just say "spiffing".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
Yellow ticker tape "BREAKING NEWS" now.

Deal worth more than £11 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 12:23:22 PM
Another signing?
What the fuck will fat Sam say ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Another signing?
What the fuck will fat Sam say ?


and tom ross said we were done on signings  !!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
With marvellous, Luiz a goalie and another striker coming in (most likely) it seems we budgeted for a spend of around £175m which is fecking incredible !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 12:33:43 PM
A couple will go out I imagine. But this is stunning we have been able complete this many deals way ahead of the deadline. Just need a striker and keeper now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 25, 2019, 12:34:21 PM
Let's hope they deliver and worth the money the club have spent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2019, 12:41:13 PM
From Maidenhead to Aston Villa: Kuwait’s unusual summer tour

One match of their tour remains, a training game against a mix of Aston Villa’s first team and reserves on Thursday

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/kuwait-summer-tour-maidenhead-aston-villa-romeo-jozak

More fitness work to help the squad be ready for the start of the season
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2019, 12:51:40 PM
Could there be a shock departure? - McGinn maybe to Man U
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
Could there be a shock departure? - McGinn maybe to Man U

Wash your mouth out
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 25, 2019, 12:52:50 PM
Could there be a shock departure? - McGinn maybe to Man U

Stop that!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
Could there be a shock departure? - McGinn maybe to Man U

Stop that!


he didn't start last night ,  I will shut up now
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
McGinn is going to be playing alongside Jack Grealish. He's hardly going to swap that to play alongside pish like Pogba.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 25, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Could there be a shock departure? - McGinn maybe to Man U

Stop that!


he didn't start last night ,  I will shut up now
A lot of people now asking that on Twitter....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2019, 01:17:08 PM
With marvellous, Luiz a goalie and another striker coming in (most likely) it seems we budgeted for a spend of around £175m which is fecking incredible !

I think we've spent on building a squad for the next couple of years. Next summer I imagine we'll only add a player or two. Smart move in my book.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
No chance, this will be an upgrade on Lansbury or Thor. Or we might keep them all, i know a lot of our youngsters don't have to be registered in the 25. I'm getting the impression we're hedging our bets the way we're going, to put it crudely 'sling enough shit and some of it will stick.'
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
McGinn isn't going anywhere. Especially not to a tinpot club with no ambition, like Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
Chelsea sent 40 odd players out on loan. So outside of the size of their actual squad they had that many additional players to send elsewhere. We are nowhere near that deep. Look at the bench last night. I get we were missing players but it does thin out. We need to have players who when we bring on does not reduce the overall standard. For too long we have had that drop in quality. I hope now when we take off Jack or Douglas we can bring on Jota. Bring off or rest Mings bring on Chester or Konsa or Hause. We need quality depth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2019, 02:30:23 PM
Manure are going nowhere fast under OGS and a championship signing like McGinn (as he would be viewed by those arrogant twats) would be made a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: atomicjam on July 25, 2019, 02:31:53 PM
We are delighted to confirm the signing of Douglas Luiz from Manchester City, subject to a work permit -AVFC

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1154383344198717441
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
If we haven't got Champions League qualification stitched up by Christmas at the latest I'm going to be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 02:58:58 PM
We're back aren't we. I mean, i know when we won the playoff final there was an element of that but are pretty damn confident that even as we stand right now this is the best squad we've had since MON left. It could look even stronger by the first game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 03:04:28 PM
Quick look at the ages in the squad and I make it that we currently have 26 players that we'd need to name and most people want to add 2 more (Keeper and Striker)

GK
1 Steer
2 Kalinic
3 Nyland
4 {NEW}

RB
5 Guilbert
6 Elmohamady
7 Bree

LB
8 Targett
9 Taylor

CB
10 Chester
11 Mings
12 Hause
13 Engles
14 Konsa

MD
15 Makamba
16 McGinn
17 Grealish
18 Hourihane
19 Lansbury
20 Bjarnason
21 Tshibola

WI
22 Jota
23 El Ghazi
24 Trezeguet

ST
25 Wesley
26 Kodjia
27 Hogan
28 {NEW}

U21
Douglas
O'Hare
Green
Davis
RHM

So I reckon we'll move on Bree, Tish and at least one from BB, Lansbury or Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 25, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
Luiz?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 03:10:55 PM
Luiz?

U21 (and down as Douglas) We won't need to name him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
Tish will be sold or more likely just released
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
Just Icardi and Butland to go then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:15:09 PM
Tish will be sold or more likely just released

Yes, in the grand scheme of things, the money is now negligible but it was every bit as bad a signing as Richards, RM and even Balaban.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 03:15:57 PM
Luiz?

U21 (and down as Douglas) We won't need to name him.

Player to be named later*





* one for my fellow baseball fans
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 25, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Striker is our weakspot. If Wesley doesn't get it done or gets hurt we have nothing in reserve
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 03:16:19 PM
Quick look at the ages in the squad and I make it that we currently have 26 players that we'd need to name and most people want to add 2 more (Keeper and Striker)

GK
1 Steer
2 Kalinic
3 Nyland
4 {NEW}

RB
5 Guilbert
6 Elmohamady
7 Bree

LB
8 Targett
9 Taylor

CB
10 Chester
11 Mings
12 Hause
13 Engles
14 Konsa

MD
15 Makamba
16 McGinn
17 Grealish
18 Hourihane
19 Lansbury
20 Bjarnason
21 Tshibola

WI
22 Jota
23 El Ghazi
24 Trezeguet

ST
25 Wesley
26 Kodjia
27 Hogan
28 {NEW}

U21
Douglas
O'Hare
Green
Davis
RHM

So I reckon we'll move on Bree, Tish and at least one from BB, Lansbury or Hogan.

Sounds about right, Bree maybe on loan.

Oh, and one of the GK will go as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 25, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
Striker is our weakspot. If Wesley doesn't get it done or gets hurt we have nothing in reserve

Agree x 100.... even Jed should be ok behind behind all that cover..... let’s get strikeforce sorted..... are Maupay or Bowen going to be cheaper that foreign alternatives   ?
Or given our signings so far are we in for A Worldy no9 that’s not been linked yet !  ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 03:44:52 PM
Sounds about right, Bree maybe on loan.

Oh, and one of the GK will go as well.

I agree on the keeper, not sure how I missed that. I suspect it would be Kalinic to go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ian. on July 25, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Well I'm sure we have not finished yet. Two more to come in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 03:49:21 PM
I would have thought Nyland but then i suppose if a club wants Kalinic and is willing to give us a fair chunk of money back and there are no takers for Nyland, it'll be Kalinic. Either one is going to be 3rd choice which i wouldn't imagine they'll be too chuffed with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 25, 2019, 03:57:29 PM
Luiz?

U21 (and down as Douglas) We won't need to name him.

Blame the heat! Soz.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Well I'm sure we have not finished yet. Two more to come in.

They'll sign a keeper for sure and i have got a feeling another forward will come in. I would have thought Maupay, left out of Brentford squads and this is clearly the obvious choice of destination.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2019, 04:11:32 PM
Maupay and Heaton please. I like the Brentford winger too, greedy I know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 04:13:20 PM
Maupay and Heaton please. I like the Brentford winger too, greedy I know.

Benrahma and Maupay for 25m plus Hogan and Green
Heaton for 6m or Butland who would be in goal for the next 10 years for 20m.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 25, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
Maupay and Heaton please. I like the Brentford winger too, greedy I know.

Benrahma and Maupay for 25m plus Hogan and Green
Heaton for 6m or Butland who would be in goal for the next 10 years for 20m.

Brentford will not want those 2 players so at best that suggestion is insane.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kipeye on July 25, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
Think we will ship a few out on loan and a couple of sales by the end of the window. For a (welcome) change, its buy first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on July 25, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
I think it's striker and goalkeeper and then done. Gut feeling is that it's Maupay and Butland. Butland I'm happy with, Maupay I'm a little underwhelmed by. Looking at the way this window's gone, however, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of wonderkids from Spain rock up just as the window is shutting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 04:47:30 PM
Butland will be a fantastic signing. If we need goals we can always buy in January I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
We need goals all season, I'll be happy to be very quiet in January and get the two remaining players we need (goalkeeper and a forward) now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2019, 04:59:05 PM
totally . Announce both now!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 05:15:55 PM
totally . Announce both now!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfU0-wAX0AA3vP2?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Quick look at the ages in the squad and I make it that we currently have 26 players that we'd need to name and most people want to add 2 more (Keeper and Striker)

GK
1 Steer
2 Kalinic
3 Nyland
4 {NEW}

RB
5 Guilbert
6 Elmohamady
7 Bree

LB
8 Targett
9 Taylor

CB
10 Chester
11 Mings
12 Hause
13 Engles
14 Konsa

MD
15 Makamba
16 McGinn
17 Grealish
18 Hourihane
19 Lansbury
20 Bjarnason
21 Tshibola

WI
22 Jota
23 El Ghazi
24 Trezeguet

ST
25 Wesley
26 Kodjia
27 Hogan
28 {NEW}

U21
Douglas
O'Hare
Green
Davis
RHM

So I reckon we'll move on Bree, Tish and at least one from BB, Lansbury or Hogan.


One of the current three keepers will also go I imagine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 05:40:45 PM
Maupay and Heaton please. I like the Brentford winger too, greedy I know.

Benrahma and Maupay for 25m plus Hogan and Green
Heaton for 6m or Butland who would be in goal for the next 10 years for 20m.

Brentford will not want those 2 players so at best that suggestion is insane.

It might not happen but it’s not insane if they get £25m out of it. Two players they paid a combined £4m within the last two years. Oh and they get a forward back who did well for them for 50% of what we paid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 25, 2019, 06:13:46 PM
Who's coming up with songs for the new guys then?

I'm losing count. Exciting times!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 06:19:19 PM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.

Butland/Maupay is my guess. Stoke will blink. Butland has made it abundantly clear he needs PL football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: colin69 on July 25, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.

Yes totally agree with that....happy days.

What a difference a year makes.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 25, 2019, 07:06:42 PM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.

agreed anyone wanting any more players after that is on drugs
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 07:22:00 PM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 25, 2019, 07:28:38 PM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.

Butland/Maupay is my guess. Stoke will blink. Butland has made it abundantly clear he needs PL football.

My thoughts as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 25, 2019, 07:37:18 PM
Who's coming up with songs for the new guys then?

I'm losing count. Exciting times!!

One [insert here]!
There’s only one [insert here]!
One [insert here]!
There’s only one [insert here]!

You’re welcome
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
He went on strike so he could sign for the Villa.
He went on strike so he could sign for the Villa
He went on strike so he could sign for the Villla
Marvelous Nakamba.
To the tune of Macarena.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 09:12:14 PM
I think Butland would be the icing on top of what has been a fantastic window.  At 26, he might cost us a bit more than we'd want to pay but we could get 10 years out of him.  I think better value than Heaton.  Other than the keeper, the starting 11 below are all now signed and ours.


                      Butland
Guilbert   Engels     Mings   Targett
                      Douglas
            Grealish       McGinn
Trezeguet         Wesley       El Ghazi

Subs, from:  Steer, Maupay, Hause, Konsa, Marvellous,  Jota,  Hourihane,  Elmo,  Kodjia,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
I think Butland would be the icing on top of what has been a fantastic window.  At 26, he might cost us a bit more than we'd want to pay but we could get 10 years out of him.  I think better value than Heaton.  Other than the keeper, the starting 11 below are all now signed and ours.


                      Butland
Guilbert   Engels     Mings   Targett
                      Douglas
            Grealish       McGinn
Trezeguet         Wesley       El Ghazi

Subs, from:  Steer, Maupay, Hause, Konsa, Marvellous,  Jota,  Hourihane,  Elmo,  Kodjia,

I can't wait. How bloody exciting is that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.

Isn't the deadline same as last year, Friday before start of the season? So only two more weeks to go. I know new deadline got some stick last year but it's far better than August 31st and all the disruption to teams that would cause.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 09:52:24 PM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.

Isn't the deadline same as last year, Friday before start of the season? So only two more weeks to go. I know new deadline got some stick last year but it's far better than August 31st and all the disruption to teams that would cause.

August 8th isn’t it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 09:55:42 PM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.

Isn't the deadline same as last year, Friday before start of the season? So only two more weeks to go. I know new deadline got some stick last year but it's far better than August 31st and all the disruption to teams that would cause.

The deadline is on the Thursday, two weeks today. I think the loan window is open for non-PL clubs for a while longer and the deadline for European clubs is towards the end of the month.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 10:03:47 PM
Silly question, given we already have Wesley, Trezeguet and Douglas all needing work permits, a) will Nakamba need one too?  b) are we allowed to play all 4 of them in the same side?  Is there a quota of homegrown players needed for each matchday squad of 18?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 25, 2019, 10:11:22 PM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.

Isn't the deadline same as last year, Friday before start of the season? So only two more weeks to go. I know new deadline got some stick last year but it's far better than August 31st and all the disruption to teams that would cause.

I like it this year but I wonder whether us getting so much business done already helps that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 10:18:43 PM
I'd be surprised if Butland doesn't end up joining, I just can't see him staying there and we look like a perfect fit for him to get back into the England squad and be fairly sure of regular game time.

Up front I'm just not sure, I know a lot on here really like Maupay but I just don't see it, he had a good season bullying some pretty poor defenders in the championship but I just don't think that how he plays will translate into the premier league right now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2019, 10:23:12 PM
I'd be surprised if Butland doesn't end up joining, I just can't see him staying there and we look like a perfect fit for him to get back into the England squad and be fairly sure of regular game time.

Up front I'm just not sure, I know a lot on here really like Maupay but I just don't see it, he had a good season bullying some pretty poor defenders in the championship but I just don't think that how he plays will translate into the premier league right now.

It’s the fact that he’s done it at such a young age that makes me think he could turn out to be very good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
"Don't forget your history nor your destiny" — Bob Marley.

the past
Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool (our lowest point?)


the future

Björn Engels   
Mahmoud Hassan   
Kortney Hause   
Jota   
Tyrone Mings   
Ezri Konsa
Wesley Moraes
Matt Targett
Douglas Luiz
Marvelous Nakamba

There have been so few good moments to enjoy over the last ten years Let's not live in the past, or worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but let's live in the present...and enjoy this moment.

Come on you Lions
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 11:09:58 PM
I'd be surprised if Butland doesn't end up joining, I just can't see him staying there and we look like a perfect fit for him to get back into the England squad and be fairly sure of regular game time.

Up front I'm just not sure, I know a lot on here really like Maupay but I just don't see it, he had a good season bullying some pretty poor defenders in the championship but I just don't think that how he plays will translate into the premier league right now.

It’s the fact that he’s done it at such a young age that makes me think he could turn out to be very good.

I totally get the argument for him, and I see why people rate him, I'm just not convinced. The problem is I don't know who I'd prefer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2019, 12:22:51 AM
Outside of players leaving on loan or permanently, I just want all of our incoming business done way before the deadline. Then we can just sit back and relax and ignore all the fucking Sky Jim White nonsense. Let everyone else cream themselves over last minute rumours and pay inflated prices out of sheer desperation.

Isn't the deadline same as last year, Friday before start of the season? So only two more weeks to go. I know new deadline got some stick last year but it's far better than August 31st and all the disruption to teams that would cause.

August 8th isn’t it?

Think the keeper and striker will come in last 24 hours. Think with what we have now is what we'll go with for Spurs and maybe Bournemouth depending on fitness of final two signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2019, 02:10:56 AM
I'd be surprised if Butland doesn't end up joining, I just can't see him staying there and we look like a perfect fit for him to get back into the England squad and be fairly sure of regular game time.

Up front I'm just not sure, I know a lot on here really like Maupay but I just don't see it, he had a good season bullying some pretty poor defenders in the championship but I just don't think that how he plays will translate into the premier league right now.

Keeper and another striker option and I think we can go with that and see how it goes.  Hopefully it will be the big initial layout and we will only need some fine tuning over the next few windows.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2019, 07:06:37 AM
Butland if we can negotiate the fee. Otherwise I would be happy with Heaton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2019, 08:06:13 AM
not bothered about a keeper given the quality of our defense - another forward is essential though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 26, 2019, 08:23:22 AM
not bothered about a keeper given the quality of our defense - another forward is essential though
There’s no point in buying lots of good defenders and sticking an average keeper behind them, for me all 3 we have are v average so it is totally essential for me that we improve that position.

Would like another striker but if someone said either/or it would be a keeper for me all day long
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 26, 2019, 08:40:06 AM
Goalie and forward to come and then we are done.

Butland/Maupay is my guess. Stoke will blink. Butland has made it abundantly clear he needs PL football.

My thoughts as well

We will get them as well. What was it the Seattle bloke used to say? Hold on to your seat!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2019, 08:53:32 AM
not bothered about a keeper given the quality of our defense - another forward is essential though
Sorry but I don't understand how anyone can't be bothered about bringing in another keeper...it's one of the most important positions on the pitch and a key component of any defensive unit. A good keeper can be the difference between a win and a draw, and a draw and a defeat, and can easily earn at least 10pts particularly in the Premier League. Steer earned his contract extension after helping us gain promotion but unfortunately neither Steer, Kalinic or Nyland provide the reassurance and confidence that we need behind the back four.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on July 26, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
not bothered about a keeper given the quality of our defense - another forward is essential though
Sorry but I don't understand how anyone can't be bothered about bringing in another keeper...it's one of the most important positions on the pitch and a key component of any defensive unit. A good keeper can be the difference between a win and a draw, and a draw and a defeat, and can easily earn at least 10pts particularly in the Premier League. Steer earned his contract extension after helping us gain promotion but unfortunately neither Steer, Kalinic or Nyland provide the reassurance and confidence that we need behind the back four.

Absolutely, a top keeper is a must. Neither of the three mentioned above are top level and a top keeper such as Heaton or Butland would also give confidence to the back four
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 26, 2019, 09:24:51 AM
A Keeper and another striker would be brilliant if we can get them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 26, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
I think Butland would be the icing on top of what has been a fantastic window.  At 26, he might cost us a bit more than we'd want to pay but we could get 10 years out of him.  I think better value than Heaton.  Other than the keeper, the starting 11 below are all now signed and ours.


                      Butland
Guilbert   Engels     Mings   Targett
                      Douglas
            Grealish       McGinn
Trezeguet         Wesley       El Ghazi

Subs, from:  Steer, Maupay, Hause, Konsa, Marvellous,  Jota,  Hourihane,  Elmo,  Kodjia,

That would be my team as well except maybe Maupay for El Ghazi.
Subs; Steer, Elmo, Hause, Marvellous, El Ghazi, Jota, Kodjia.

I think that bench would cover all positions, it would leave a few unlucky ones out completely though like Chester and Hourahane.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on July 26, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 26, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
Let's hope they deliver and worth the money the club have spent

Be interesting to see a list of our new signings ages with length of contract next to them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 26, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2019, 12:03:20 PM
"Don't forget your history nor your destiny" — Bob Marley.

the past
Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool (our lowest point?)


the future

Björn Engels   
Mahmoud Hassan   
Kortney Hause   
Jota   
Tyrone Mings   
Ezri Konsa
Wesley Moraes
Matt Targett
Douglas Luiz
Marvelous Nakamba

There have been so few good moments to enjoy over the last ten years Let's not live in the past, or worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but let's live in the present...and enjoy this moment.

Come on you Lions

Well said
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

I think so too. I have a feeling Lansbury will turn out to be a decent player for us under this manager, and may well push himself in front of Hourihane.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2019, 12:06:50 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

Yes, I think of all the also-rans like Hogan and Bree etc, he'd be the only one that gets a shot this season possibly.  Even so, hard to see him getting much time with the like of Grealish, McGinn. Marvellous, Luiz and even Hourihane ahead of him though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2019, 12:10:09 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

Yes, I think of all the also-rans like Hogan and Bree etc, he'd be the only one that gets a shot this season possibly.  Even so, hard to see him getting much time with the like of Grealish, McGinn. Marvellous, Luiz and even Hourihane ahead of him though.

I think fully fit and focused he's a better player than Hourihane. His passing is very good, and I don't mean 40 yeard Hollywood balls, just clean and crisp and well weighted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 26, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

I think so too. I have a feeling Lansbury will turn out to be a decent player for us under this manager, and may well push himself in front of Hourihane.

I hope these plans include making him run a bit faster and stop him making ridiculous lunging mistimed attempts at winning the ball.  He's been a disaster for us so far but if Dean  & Co can improve him that would be something.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Has Angela got rid of the Samurai topknot?  Not ignorance on my part just bad eyesight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
Conor speaking on sky sports now. I do like that training top.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 26, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

Yes, I think of all the also-rans like Hogan and Bree etc, he'd be the only one that gets a shot this season possibly.  Even so, hard to see him getting much time with the like of Grealish, McGinn. Marvellous, Luiz and even Hourihane ahead of him though.

I think fully fit and focused he's a better player than Hourihane. His passing is very good, and I don't mean 40 yeard Hollywood balls, just clean and crisp and well weighted.

You might be right it's difficult to tell

I do think that if Lansbury and Hourahane are playing major parts in our season next year we will be struggling in a survival scrap
neither are good enough for the premier league in my opinion
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
highly remiss of the club not to have bought someone today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2019, 01:47:41 PM
highly remiss of the club not to have bought someone today.

Not even 2 o clock yet!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 26, 2019, 02:58:55 PM
I’ve been saying since quite early in this thread that Etheridge will end up being our keeper due to some Cardiff city inside info down here....  press just started that info again
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on July 26, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
Never really noticed Etheridge - is he any good?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SteveN on July 26, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
Never really noticed Etheridge - is he any good?

I'm no expert but with the figures being quoted he looks very good value and he's as good as Butland.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 26, 2019, 04:45:31 PM
I’ve been saying since quite early in this thread that Etheridge will end up being our keeper due to some Cardiff city inside info down here....  press just started that info again
Please elaborate Daz.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 26, 2019, 05:00:02 PM
I just noticed on SSN that we are supposedly in talks along with Noocastle to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool.  Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
I just noticed on SSN that we are supposedly in talks along with Noocastle to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool.  Make of that what you will.

According to a scouse mate he is class.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2019, 05:29:59 PM
Hope we get him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
Signing or loan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 26, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
Would rather have Wilson that Maupay I think - even if it was a loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 05:38:42 PM
Signing or loan?

That's what I was thinking, surely we wouldn't go for a loan, but why would Liverpool sell?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2019, 05:39:32 PM
I just noticed on SSN that we are supposedly in talks along with Noocastle to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool.  Make of that what you will.

According to a scouse mate he is class.

They do tend to say that about everyone who comes through their academy though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 26, 2019, 05:46:06 PM
I just noticed on SSN that we are supposedly in talks along with Noocastle to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool.  Make of that what you will.

Choice between Dean Smith football or Steve Bruce football?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 26, 2019, 06:02:17 PM
Liverpool doesn't seem to want to loan out Wilson again and want around 25 million. Pretty big chunk of change but a promising player. I think I'd rather have a 25 million pound keeper at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2019, 06:13:04 PM
Let's just have both. And a striker for crazy dosh. We have loads of money, fuck it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 06:15:16 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-name-price-harry-wilson-18783508

Quote
Liverpool will slap a £25m price tag on Harry Wilson - after manager Jurgen Klopp promised him game time.

The Reds boss is keen to fight off strong interest in his young star, and has told the Wales international in one-on-one talks that he will be given an expanded role this season if he stays at Anfield.


The Wales international is the subject of strong interest from Newcastle and Aston Villa among a host of clubs looking, though neither yet has made an official approach, despite making contact.

Liverpool are clear in their stance they will NOT loan him out again, after successful spells at Hull and Derby in the past two seasons.

They would be reluctant sellers, too. Klopp has explained to Wilson that he sees him getting plenty of minutes in the early part of the season, with a lot of his big stars likely to begin the campaign late after international duty.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2019, 07:17:39 PM
Sky Sports say £15m, rising to £20m with add-ons is possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-name-price-harry-wilson-18783508

Quote
Liverpool will slap a £25m price tag on Harry Wilson - after manager Jurgen Klopp promised him game time.

The Reds boss is keen to fight off strong interest in his young star, and has told the Wales international in one-on-one talks that he will be given an expanded role this season if he stays at Anfield.


The Wales international is the subject of strong interest from Newcastle and Aston Villa among a host of clubs looking, though neither yet has made an official approach, despite making contact.

Liverpool are clear in their stance they will NOT loan him out again, after successful spells at Hull and Derby in the past two seasons.

They would be reluctant sellers, too. Klopp has explained to Wilson that he sees him getting plenty of minutes in the early part of the season, with a lot of his big stars likely to begin the campaign late after international duty.

Fuck it then, let’s get the two Brentford players and a keeper and call it quits til January.

And a billion pound stadium.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 26, 2019, 07:19:02 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

Yes, I think of all the also-rans like Hogan and Bree etc, he'd be the only one that gets a shot this season possibly.  Even so, hard to see him getting much time with the like of Grealish, McGinn. Marvellous, Luiz and even Hourihane ahead of him though.

I think fully fit and focused he's a better player than Hourihane. His passing is very good, and I don't mean 40 yeard Hollywood balls, just clean and crisp and well weighted.

Hourihane just weighed in with multiple goals and assists. Also, if Smith rated Lansbury that highly he wouldn't have signed two new centre midfielders.

Lansbury clearly has technical ability but poor workrate, mobility and arguably desire to improve himself. Both Bruce and Smith rated Hourihane and multiple other midfielders better than him in his time with us thus far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2019, 07:33:47 PM
Would be good to try to offload some of our fringe-players as part of the last couple of signings, too. Surely we could do a deal with Brentford to take Hogan and Bree as part of a deal for Maupay, and I'm sure Lansbury and Bjarnason would get into Stoke's match-day 18?

I think Dean has plans for Lansbury . I think he rates him higher than most of us do.

Yes, I think of all the also-rans like Hogan and Bree etc, he'd be the only one that gets a shot this season possibly.  Even so, hard to see him getting much time with the like of Grealish, McGinn. Marvellous, Luiz and even Hourihane ahead of him though.

I think fully fit and focused he's a better player than Hourihane. His passing is very good, and I don't mean 40 yeard Hollywood balls, just clean and crisp and well weighted.

Hourihane just weighed in with multiple goals and assists. Also, if Smith rated Lansbury that highly he wouldn't have signed two new centre midfielders.

Lansbury clearly has technical ability but poor workrate, mobility and arguably desire to improve himself. Both Bruce and Smith rated Hourihane and multiple other midfielders better than him in his time with us thus far.

I like Hourihane, don't get me wrong, but I have a feeling Smith rates Lansbury higher, and we'd have seen more of him but for his hamstring going.

Bruce paid serious money for Scott Hogan, so his opinion is void.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 26, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
I'd definitely take Wilson at £15m with add ons.

Good player with lots of potential to improve.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2019, 07:44:54 PM

And a billion pound stadium.

Why should we go for something cheaper than what we have?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
Agree I'd rather have Butland for £25m. Wilson would be a luxury player and Butland is a necessity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 26, 2019, 09:10:00 PM
I’ve been saying since quite early in this thread that Etheridge will end up being our keeper due to some Cardiff city inside info down here....  press just started that info again
Please elaborate Daz.

Posted on here a good few Saturdays ago when near the Cardiff stadium . Mate of mine was at a club function and there were players and families / friends there . He was told by associates of Etheridge warnock would allow him to go reluctantly at the time for right cash. A few weeks ago it was just down to Etheridge to choose who to talk to, us or Liverpool . With his previous working contacts with out keeping coach and deano ,they thought he was more likely to choose suit deal was good for all parties
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 26, 2019, 11:27:00 PM
Wilson is good yeah, but do we really need to spend another £15 million on a winger we dont need, El-Ghazi, Trezeguet and Jota are already seriously competing for just 2 places with Green, O'Hare and Hepburn-Murphy still all decent prospects.

Signing Wilson is just not needed at the moment in my eyes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 26, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
I see George Boateng has come back as a youth coach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2019, 11:58:39 PM
I’ve been saying since quite early in this thread that Etheridge will end up being our keeper due to some Cardiff city inside info down here....  press just started that info again
Please elaborate Daz.

Posted on here a good few Saturdays ago when near the Cardiff stadium . Mate of mine was at a club function and there were players and families / friends there . He was told by associates of Etheridge warnock would allow him to go reluctantly at the time for right cash. A few weeks ago it was just down to Etheridge to choose who to talk to, us or Liverpool . With his previous working contacts with out keeping coach and deano ,they thought he was more likely to choose suit deal was good for all parties

Cardiff also signed the Newport keeper who played very well in their FA cup run. I too get the feeling we could come back in strongly for him in last week of the window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2019, 01:07:19 AM
I see George Boateng has come back as a youth coach.

Legend!

Will he be working with Delaney?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2019, 07:20:06 AM
We'd better sign someone today or less I'm going to burn my ST in protest. Wake up Villa!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: alanclare on July 27, 2019, 07:37:30 AM
For weeks and weeks I’ve kept on reading this thread in the hope of seeing that we’d signed Butland on a 5-year contract. Is it not going to happen?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 27, 2019, 07:40:58 AM
Jordan Lyden free transfer to Swindon according to BBC though I thought he had been released at the end of the season so wasn’t officially on our books anyway. Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere. Good Luck to him, didn’t disgrace himself at all on the few occasions he played for the first team and seemed very unlucky with injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2019, 08:00:33 AM
Jordan Lyden free transfer to Swindon according to BBC though I thought he had been released at the end of the season so wasn’t officially on our books anyway. Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere. Good Luck to him, didn’t disgrace himself at all on the few occasions he played for the first team and seemed very unlucky with injuries.
I liked Lyden, Virge, but not sure he'd have made a regular first-team berth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 27, 2019, 08:02:05 AM
For weeks and weeks I’ve kept on reading this thread in the hope of seeing that we’d signed Butland on a 5-year contract. Is it not going to happen?

I think it still could. Pickford has shown some signs of weakness and Dean Henderson is playing top flight. Butland needs a move now, I think there's a chance it could come to the point where he forces one.

It does seem Bournemouth are front runners at the moment, but maybe we're just waiting to see if there are any developments.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2019, 08:07:12 AM
This graphic in The Times just shows how we’ve replaced ageing average players with quality and young legs. Long may it continue!


(https://i.ibb.co/BPGTVqT/EB08-DCE9-A119-43-B1-9-E52-83-ECF907-DC60.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BPGTVqT)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 27, 2019, 08:17:51 AM
Didn’t know Jota was 28. Would that make Elmo (31) and Chester (30) the oldest players in the squad now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 27, 2019, 08:48:29 AM
This graphic in The Times just shows how we’ve replaced ageing average players with quality and young legs. Long may it continue!


(https://i.ibb.co/BPGTVqT/EB08-DCE9-A119-43-B1-9-E52-83-ECF907-DC60.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BPGTVqT)

Yes good graphic , that . Interesting we’re not mentioning length of contracts I’d like to see that column included on that list. Definitely a significant change in approach for the future . As long as we sign a keeper and another striker , we will all bored shitless in January and next summers window 😂. Can’t see a window like this ever being repeated
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 27, 2019, 08:53:23 AM
Hopefully we’ll never need another transfer window like this ever again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2019, 08:56:32 AM
Didn’t know Jota was 28. Would that make Elmo (31) and Chester (30) the oldest players in the squad now?

Yup. Taylor's the same age as Chester as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2019, 08:58:55 AM
Hopefully we’ll never need another transfer window like this ever again.


Apart from this time next year when we will need to strengthen the squad numbers to cope with the Champions League schedule. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Arsey on July 27, 2019, 09:18:18 AM
gary gardner is 27

😳
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2019, 09:18:52 AM
With the legs of a seventy year old.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2019, 09:19:41 AM
Have any of our new players contract lengths been disclosed?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 27, 2019, 02:01:34 PM
Have any of our new players contract lengths been disclosed?
As I said above I’ve not seen any ... would be interesting and may give an indication of how long we may have them before moving on for profit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 02:51:50 PM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2019, 02:52:17 PM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?

Maybe you need to relax a little.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?

You really are constantly bricking it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?

Maybe you need to relax a little.

We've had a really good window so far, but only one striker signed. I'd like to see another striker signed quickly to enable the player to bed in before 10th August....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 27, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
SSN announce that Maupay is missing again from the Brentford line-up.  Mmm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 27, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?

Maybe you need to relax a little.

this         


DS and the club are not stupid
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 08:53:27 PM
I wonder if the Ryan Shawcross injury may make Stoke rethink their stance over Butland if they have to bring in a decent replacement?  Perhaps a Chester/BB swap and a few add ons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
£20m plus Chester for Butland. Then go by that beast who plays for Galatasaray we’ve been linked with. Sorted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 27, 2019, 09:18:51 PM
I hope they are looking at Prem quality strikers, however good Maupay has been in the Ch-ship, it still would be a gamble as a main striker for us in the prem
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 10:36:48 PM
I think Maupay has demonstrated that he is ready to step up.  Anyone who scores that many in the Championship is worth the risk in the higher division.  He's a busy player, with quick feet.  He would be great coming off the bench, busy in the penalty area too. Exactly what we need, unless we have something similar lined up of course.  All of that said, we seem to have goals coming from all over the pitch.  Long may THAT continue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 10:53:15 PM
I see Nixon is at it again.  Selling SJM to Man United but also saying that Kalvin Phillips has stalled on a new contract as he wants to come to Villa, but we are only willing to pay £15million and won't go above that.  Nakamba, the second choice? Both stories shite in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 27, 2019, 11:02:49 PM
If marvellous nearly done, we don’t need PHILLIPS surely as we have enough cover there. Maupay, Wilson and Etheridge /Butland before they fly to Germany would be amazing
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 11:06:24 PM
Are we really in for Nakamba or wasn't it SSN understands?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2019, 11:20:59 PM
That Nixon bloke is a bumberclart.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2019, 11:31:16 PM
That Nixon bloke is a bumberclart.

😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 27, 2019, 11:33:13 PM
Are we really in for Nakamba or wasn't it SSN understands?

Two reliable journalists are saying it's happening that are not related to sky so I would say unless there has been a dramatic U-turn it will be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2019, 11:33:28 PM
He absolutely is.

The other bumberclarts look at him and cherish their relatively minor clart status.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2019, 12:03:47 AM
Alan Nixon is a laughably poor journalist.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2019, 12:13:24 AM
DS needs to sign another striker before deadline day. We haven't got the quality in depth up front. Surely he realises that?

I would be surprised if we don't sign another striker before the transfer window closes, along with another keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on July 28, 2019, 09:34:51 AM
I’ve been away for our pre season games so just seen scores etc. How has Steer been? Is a new keeper a necessity?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 28, 2019, 09:36:37 AM
I’ve been away for our pre season games so just seen scores etc. How has Steer been? Is a new keeper a necessity?

Done fuck all mate

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 28, 2019, 11:23:25 AM
Alan Nixon is a laughably poor journalist.

Totally useless. I reckon he never gets out of bed he’s that lazy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 28, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Percy is good but not always right. In January 2018 he reported we’d completed a double signing from Leicester - Ulloa plus another I’ve forgotten now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on July 28, 2019, 12:02:15 PM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Same here. There was no whiff of Douglas Luiz until he broke the story.

The Belgian reporter Kristof Terreur is all pretty spot on. Especially considering how many players we have signed from the Belgian league lately.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Same here. There was no whiff of Douglas Luiz until he broke the story.

The Belgian reporter Kristof Terreur is all pretty spot on. Especially considering how many players we have signed from the Belgian league lately.

He actually knows all the Belgian players in premier league so guess it was a simple case of texting Benteke if he was going Liverpool, answer was yes and there's your exclusive story.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Same here. There was no whiff of Douglas Luiz until he broke the story.

The Belgian reporter Kristof Terreur is all pretty spot on. Especially considering how many players we have signed from the Belgian league lately.

Has Kristof Terreur called the Nakamba transfer?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
he broke it, saying we'd agreed to the fee they wanted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2019, 04:42:42 PM
Agreed re Percy and Kristof Terreur - both are pretty much never wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 28, 2019, 04:55:20 PM
Agreed re Percy and Kristof Terreur - both are pretty much never wrong.

Seconded
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on July 28, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
he broke it, saying we'd agreed to the fee they wanted.

Think he broke the Wesley one as well, which came from absolutely nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2019, 08:33:31 PM
The current twittering is pushing for us to sign Walter Benitez.

No idea where it started but it kicked on because he liked a tweet which was tagged with #avfc #freebenitez
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 28, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
The current twittering is pushing for us to sign Walter Benitez.

No idea where it started but it kicked on because he liked a tweet which was tagged with #avfc #freebenitez

Probably well past his best. Great fights v Hearns and Leonard to be fair
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 29, 2019, 12:42:33 AM
Looks like we might be making a 'Marvellous' signing in the next 48 hours then!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Via Da Beeb

Quote
Aston Villa's hopes of signing 26-year-old Stoke City and England goalkeeper Jack Butland have been hit by a sell-on clause that would give West Midlands rivals Birmingham about 20% of the fee. (Sun)

Premier League newcomers Villa have been given encouragement in their pursuit of Cardiff City goalkeeper Neil Etheridge, 29, after Bluebirds boss Neil Warnock said the Championship club would be willing to listen to offers for the Philippines international. (Wales Online)

However, Villa are not willing to meet Burnley's £10m asking price for England keeper Tom Heaton, 33. (Birmingham Mail)

Butland - Looks like The S*n has finally spotted something everyone else has known all along

Etheridge - This is probably the one that'll happen

Heaton - Backup plan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 10:01:04 AM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2019, 10:03:04 AM
There's a bit more info if you go for the Spanish language version of his Wiki page.

I'm slightly confused by the "He trained as an archer in the minor divisions of Quilmes." line though. Not sure if this is a bad back-translation or if he actually is a budding Argentine Robin Hood.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 29, 2019, 10:03:56 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
Just pay the fee in installments. By the time we have finished paying, they'll have already gone bust.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: avldfc on July 29, 2019, 10:06:35 AM
Via Da Beeb

Quote
Aston Villa's hopes of signing 26-year-old Stoke City and England goalkeeper Jack Butland have been hit by a sell-on clause that would give West Midlands rivals Birmingham about 20% of the fee. (Sun)

Premier League newcomers Villa have been given encouragement in their pursuit of Cardiff City goalkeeper Neil Etheridge, 29, after Bluebirds boss Neil Warnock said the Championship club would be willing to listen to offers for the Philippines international. (Wales Online)

However, Villa are not willing to meet Burnley's £10m asking price for England keeper Tom Heaton, 33. (Birmingham Mail)

Butland - Looks like The S*n has finally spotted something everyone else has known all along

Etheridge - This is probably the one that'll happen

Heaton - Backup plan

My opinion is Etheridge is the keeper I would want, took to the Premier league well last year with a sub par cardiff team
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 10:44:00 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 29, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?
If it’s those fuckers then yes.
I’d rather have Heaton anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 29, 2019, 10:48:52 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?

Exactly, makes no difference to any deal for us, it’s Stokes problem
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2019, 10:49:37 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?
If it’s those fuckers then yes.
I’d rather have Heaton anyway.

And we call them obsessed. Besides, we've already given them money for Jota or maybe we shouldn't have because it was Blues?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2019, 10:50:08 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?
If it’s those fuckers then yes.
I’d rather have Heaton anyway.

That's the sort of thing you'd expect from them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
If the rags are entitled to 20% sell on clause for Butland, it’s time to look elsewhere.

Why?

Would you really want a deal to be rejected just because another team gets part of the fee ?
If it’s those fuckers then yes.
I’d rather have Heaton anyway.

So I take it that you also think Villa should not have signed Jota
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2019, 10:53:59 AM
I would much prefer Butland to Heaton. Good luck to Small Heath when it comes to mounting a promotion challenge with the sell on clause, but I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2019, 11:01:23 AM
Butland is my top choice, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 29, 2019, 11:01:37 AM
I like Steer a lot and I think he'll continue to improve under Cutler, but I've come around in a big way to the idea of a new GK. Not because of anything Steer has/hasn't done in pre-season, but I love the look of our spine for this season and I think a strong experienced PL goalkeeper would round things off perfectly.

Either Butland or Heaton would do for me, seeing Jack's stats from the last couple of seasons gave me food for thought on him. Would understand if we went for Heaton for financial reasons though. Really depends on the fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
Tish to Doncaster ?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/24-year-old-aston-villa-man-poised-to-make-efl-switch/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 29, 2019, 11:29:02 AM
Mitch Clark to Leicester has me quite disappointed tbh. Given where we are now, we need to be holding on to our prospects, and he looked like one who might do well for us in the future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 11:29:53 AM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez)

If he's not real then give me a fake goalie any day:

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 29, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
I thought after Trezeguet.  Purslow said 2 or 3 more in so I don't think we will get both a new striker and a keeper
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
I thought after Trezeguet.  Purslow said 2 or 3 more in so I don't think we will get both a new striker and a keeper

That really depends on if he was counting Luiz as done at that point though, given the deal was pretty much done and got announced not long after I don't think we can say for sure. At a guess I'd say Marvellous was probably the 'or 3' and a striker and keeper were always planned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on July 29, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
Former Aston Villa defender Mitchell Clark has joined Leicester City.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mitchell-clark-signs-16653691
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
Technically it's Leicester under 23s. He'll play for them and get a loan spell to championship and get the odd call up to first team if they have injuries.

Was disappointed we released him so interesting move for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 29, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
myself and my lad were talking about Clark on Saturday at the game, both disappointed in letting him go and interesting that a PL club has signed him up, albeit in a "wait and see" sort of way.  Surely we could have done that?!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 29, 2019, 12:17:35 PM
Obviously the story was in THAT rag, but why would Birmingham being due 20% of any transfer fee for Butland be a stumbling block?

Is there any reason (if we were that petty) why we couldn't make the initial fee nominal, and then pay the bulk of the money via add ons?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2019, 12:20:45 PM
Obviously the story was in THAT rag, but why would Birmingham being due 20% of any transfer fee for Butland be a stumbling block?

Is there any reason (if we were that petty) why we couldn't make the initial fee nominal, and then pay the bulk of the money via add ons?

Stoke probably wouldn't accept that sort of arrangement. If the fee was 20m, they'd probably want about 15m upfront.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: alanclare on July 29, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Butland is my top choice, too.
and me, and me, and me, and me.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 29, 2019, 12:26:04 PM
Obviously the story was in THAT rag, but why would Birmingham being due 20% of any transfer fee for Butland be a stumbling block?

Is there any reason (if we were that petty) why we couldn't make the initial fee nominal, and then pay the bulk of the money via add ons?

Stoke probably wouldn't accept that sort of arrangement. If the fee was 20m, they'd probably want about 15m upfront.

Yes, you're probably right. The thought of an initial fee of £1 million rising to £15 million after two league games amused me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2019, 12:27:00 PM
With the sell on clause that Stoke have with Small Heath for Butland I’m sure they will push it to the end of the window to force him to put in a transfer request and thereby forfeit his part of the transfer fee.  They have already got a replacement in so they’ll hope to sell.  Be it Villa, Bournemouth or some one else i’d have money on him not being at Stoke after deadline day.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2019, 12:55:48 PM
Why did we release Mitch?  He's only going to improve, Taylor is bobbins and Targett strikes me as our least inspiring signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2019, 01:00:29 PM
Targett seems to me a very safe signing and nothing that will us get off our seats. He’s not going to make a lot of mistakes but he’s very likely not going to be bombing down the left setting up goals. It’s an odd signing given we got in Guilbert who looks very positive and attack minded. But maybe Dean didn’t need two of those types of player. Who knows but he obviously liked something about him technically.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
Obviously the story was in THAT rag, but why would Birmingham being due 20% of any transfer fee for Butland be a stumbling block?

Is there any reason (if we were that petty) why we couldn't make the initial fee nominal, and then pay the bulk of the money via add ons?

Stoke probably wouldn't accept that sort of arrangement. If the fee was 20m, they'd probably want about 15m upfront.

Yes, you're probably right. The thought of an initial fee of £1 million rising to £15 million after two league games amused me.



Small Heath took the piss out of Wolves when they sold Wayne Clarke on to Everton. Wolves were due a hefty percentage of any profit Small Heath made but they threw in a kid called Stuart Storer as well and claimed half of the Clarke fee was the fee for Storer. I am pretty sure Storer never played a game for Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2019, 01:41:21 PM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez)

If he's not real then give me a fake goalie any day:



After the first few saves I thought "well I would expect anyone to save them" but then some of the latter ones were exceptionally good
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 29, 2019, 01:50:50 PM
Some ridiculous saves in those highlights.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 29, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
I wonder how many he concedes by palming the ball back into the danger area?
The video doesnt show those.....maybe there aren’t any.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 02:00:40 PM
There's one at about 3:34 from a downward header which is spectacular. He has the small problem, which is common in South American keepers, of not wanting to catch anything but his reflexes are stunning. Not sure how he'd go down with the more faint-hearted supporters though and you'd want all the defenders to be very aware that they'll be expected to clean up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
Rather us stop fucking about over the extra £3m and just get Heaton done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2019, 02:10:03 PM
Paul_e (and Larry Duff if the gent is reading), what's your opinion on Mitch Clark's move to Leicester?

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 02:22:45 PM
Paul_e (and Larry Duff if the gent is reading), what's your opinion on Mitch Clark's move to Leicester?

I'm nothing like as big an expert as Larry but from what I saw of him he's the sort of player who will have a good club career and get plenty of games but it'll be in 5-6 different positions and he'll never truly nail down a regular place in a team in the Premier League because his versatility will count against him in many ways. I'd probably have kept him and let Taylor go, but that's mainly because I can't stand watching Taylor try to join the attack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 29, 2019, 02:44:00 PM
Targett seems to me a very safe signing and nothing that will us get off our seats. He’s not going to make a lot of mistakes but he’s very likely not going to be bombing down the left setting up goals. It’s an odd signing given we got in Guilbert who looks very positive and attack minded. But maybe Dean didn’t need two of those types of player. Who knows but he obviously liked something about him technically.

I'm confused. Isn't Targett known for getting forward and putting in pin-point crosses...? I thought that was his whole selling point and the reason we were willing to spend so much money on him despite his lack of games for Shampton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 29, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
Some ridiculous saves in those highlights.

Yes, that one at around three minutes. Fuck me!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2019, 03:01:50 PM
Targett seems to me a very safe signing and nothing that will us get off our seats. He’s not going to make a lot of mistakes but he’s very likely not going to be bombing down the left setting up goals. It’s an odd signing given we got in Guilbert who looks very positive and attack minded. But maybe Dean didn’t need two of those types of player. Who knows but he obviously liked something about him technically.

I'm confused. Isn't Targett known for getting forward and putting in pin-point crosses...? I thought that was his whole selling point and the reason we were willing to spend so much money on him despite his lack of games for Shampton.

We haven’t seen a lot of it if that’s the case. His crossing has been ok. His overall defending has been very solid if unspectacular.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2019, 03:28:31 PM
I like him - in other news L'equipe say we have had a new bid rejected for Santamaria - SJM on his way??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
I like him - in other news L'equipe say we have had a new bid rejected for Santamaria - SJM on his way??

No. Why assume that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2019, 03:44:35 PM
I dreamt we sold SJM for 63 million last night , I was also having a threesome with Megan Fox and Zoe Saldana . . 

Complete bollocks SJM will leave for Manure this window just like my dreams.
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 29, 2019, 04:20:07 PM
Goalkeeper showreels are the opposite of what you want. You really need a blooper reel to get a feel for how accident prone he is. Amazing double save at 3:12ish though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2019, 05:45:18 PM
Goalkeeper showreels are the opposite of what you want. You really need a blooper reel to get a feel for how accident prone he is. Amazing double save at 3:12ish though.

Or a compilation of clips of him picking the ball out of the back of the net to see how much he hates losing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2019, 06:35:16 PM
If the owners resisted selling Jack Grealish last summer there is no way they will sell SJM this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 29, 2019, 07:33:50 PM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Percy is good but not always right. In January 2018 he reported we’d completed a double signing from Leicester - Ulloa plus another I’ve forgotten now.

Purslow is briefing Percy as his main press contact so it should be reliable from him.
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 29, 2019, 07:39:06 PM
And John McGinn is going absolutely nowhere unless they make us the kind offer they coughed up for Pogba.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on July 29, 2019, 07:48:50 PM
Targett seems to me a very safe signing and nothing that will us get off our seats. He’s not going to make a lot of mistakes but he’s very likely not going to be bombing down the left setting up goals. It’s an odd signing given we got in Guilbert who looks very positive and attack minded. But maybe Dean didn’t need two of those types of player. Who knows but he obviously liked something about him technically.

I'm confused. Isn't Targett known for getting forward and putting in pin-point crosses...? I thought that was his whole selling point and the reason we were willing to spend so much money on him despite his lack of games for Shampton.

He put a beauty of a cross in on Saturday, which was millimetre perfect for a big number nine. Just a shame that Davis had gone off for Hogan a few minutes before, who calmly watched it whistle past his nose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 29, 2019, 10:10:05 PM
I wonder if we might go slightly more defensive in some games, although keep our attacking options open as such: 4-2-3-1?

                    Steer
Guilbert Engels  Mings  Targett
             Luiz    Nakamba
       Jota   McGinn  Grealish
                  Wesley
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 29, 2019, 10:14:13 PM
He's based in the North west and used to have very good contacts at Blackburn and Burnley, was best mates with Owen Coyle so that explains Burnley. I remember him breaking our interest in Friedel and Bentley before it became common interest.

Not quite sure when he morphed into this transfer guru for all clubs though.

Generally to me John Percy is the barometer for these. When he says a transfer is happening, it's happening.

Percy is good but not always right. In January 2018 he reported we’d completed a double signing from Leicester - Ulloa plus another I’ve forgotten now.

Purslow is briefing Percy as his main press contact so it should be reliable from him.

That's good enough for me Chelts
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2019, 11:53:21 PM
Targett seems to me a very safe signing and nothing that will us get off our seats. He’s not going to make a lot of mistakes but he’s very likely not going to be bombing down the left setting up goals. It’s an odd signing given we got in Guilbert who looks very positive and attack minded. But maybe Dean didn’t need two of those types of player. Who knows but he obviously liked something about him technically.

I'm confused. Isn't Targett known for getting forward and putting in pin-point crosses...? I thought that was his whole selling point and the reason we were willing to spend so much money on him despite his lack of games for Shampton.

He put a beauty of a cross in on Saturday, which was millimetre perfect for a big number nine. Just a shame that Davis had gone off for Hogan a few minutes before, who calmly watched it whistle past his nose.

Seemed comfortable going forward and getting into more advanced positions in the game against Walsall, even if it did not always lead to a cross.  Would have thought him and Guilbert will be expected to provide the width in the final third this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on July 30, 2019, 12:50:19 AM
He put a beauty of a cross in on Saturday, which was millimetre perfect for a big number nine. Just a shame that Davis had gone off for Hogan a few minutes before, who calmly watched it whistle past his nose.

Yes, that was the highlight of the game for me - the prospect of those early crosses inviting someone to bundle them in is exciting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: guyavfc on July 30, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
Brentford are signing a new striker. Maupay incoming?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 30, 2019, 07:58:38 AM
Brentford are signing a new striker. Maupay incoming?

Yeah - Ecuadorean, Joel Valencia  (SSN)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
He put a beauty of a cross in on Saturday, which was millimetre perfect for a big number nine. Just a shame that Davis had gone off for Hogan a few minutes before, who calmly watched it whistle past his nose.

Yes, that was the highlight of the game for me - the prospect of those early crosses inviting someone to bundle them in is exciting.
This made me laugh.  A lot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2019, 08:44:12 AM
Brentford are signing a new striker. Maupay incoming?

Would prefer if it was Hogan outgoing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 30, 2019, 09:19:44 AM
Brentford are signing a new striker. Maupay incoming?

Would prefer if it was Hogan outgoing.

That would make sense Hogan needs a fresh start and we need a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2019, 09:33:03 AM
i think the only way he (Hogan) is leaving is on a free - honestly , who would pay any fee for him? His performance against Charlton was woeful. At best he's a third tier player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2019, 09:42:50 AM
I remember an article when we were flirting with insolvency in which the journalist said he'd seen Hogan's contract and the figures were 'eye watering'.

Edit - not a journalist, Kieran Maguire, the football finance guy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-reality-check-middlesbroughs-14723292.amp
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on July 30, 2019, 09:56:38 AM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2019, 09:58:18 AM
Sheffield United trying to get McBurnie rather than Maupay.  Unless Brighton are interested, surely he’s waiting for us to move for him? Would be a useful addition I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2019, 09:59:42 AM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

 

I’m not sure anyone has ever said that. They were  poorly coached and all thrown in together, with a poor coach.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2019, 10:23:53 AM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?
Never believed it at the time.
Sadly we were being run by idiots.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2019, 10:27:56 AM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

 

I’m not sure anyone has ever said that. They were  poorly coached and all thrown in together, with a poor coach.

Pretty sure they did.

I remember standing up for Veretout amid general disdain.

I still think Amavi was shit though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2019, 10:47:51 AM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

 

I’m not sure anyone has ever said that. They were  poorly coached and all thrown in together, with a poor coach.

Pretty sure they did.

I remember standing up for Veretout amid general disdain.

I still think Amavi was shit though.
I remember standing up for Amani. So there. ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on July 30, 2019, 10:48:39 AM

Pretty sure they did.

I remember standing up for Veretout amid general disdain.

I still think Amavi was shit though.

Ah but would you have Amavi in this team?  I probably would.
:)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2019, 10:49:04 AM
Amavi in this team would be much better than he was under Sherwood, RDM or Bruce. He had bags of skill and a fantastic cross on him but needed some coaching on his defence. I get that for some people a full back with defensive issues is irredeemable but for me having the natural ability to get forward and have an impact in attack is a massive bonus (as we're seeing with Guilbert).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2019, 10:59:18 AM
Paddy Reilly did get a bit of crap I remember for getting us these players , It was Sherwoods rubbish I was more annoyed with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2019, 11:16:25 AM
Yes there was a lot of 'at the end of the day the players aren't good enough' and so on. And many of them really weren't, it's true. But just look at the difference between Smith and Sherwood when it comes to integrating a large number of new players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 30, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Aston Villa have made an approach to sign West Brom winger Matt Phillips, Football Insider understands.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-want-to-sign-west-brom-star/

Not sure about this..........unless it really cheap £2m I don't see the point
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
Hogan presumably got a promotion increase on his "eye watering" initial salary. Have there been any comments from Chris Wilder about taking him back to Bramall Lane?  They could afford his wages, I know he didn't rip up trees on-loan there but wasn't he a valued member of the community irksome shit that might make them take him back?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 30, 2019, 11:44:06 AM
Aston Villa have made an approach to sign West Brom winger Matt Phillips, Football Insider understands.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-want-to-sign-west-brom-star/

Not sure about this..........unless it really cheap £2m I don't see the point

SKY BET CHAMPIONSHIP‘I’D BE HAPPY TO GET RID AT THE RIGHT PRICE’ – PLENTY OF WEST BROM FANS REACT TO INTEREST IN ALBION ACE

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/id-be-happy-to-get-rid-at-the-right-price-plenty-of-west-brom-fans-react-to-interest-in-albion-ace/

Here, we take a look at how Albion fans have reacted to this news…
Howard Martin
@HJMKent
Probably £8/10m to most clubs, but to Villa £25m! 😜 Seriously though - he's terribly injury prone & is a huge risk for anyone paying a big fee!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 30, 2019, 11:52:41 AM
My Albion supporting mate has a high opinion of Phillips, changing his opinion from win to draw, draw to lose dependant on wether or not he was fit.

However he is hardly ever fit so i'd avoid, but I think its bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2019, 12:11:37 PM
Wouldn't have been surprised if he had been a target if we hadn't got promoted but we did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on July 30, 2019, 12:29:11 PM
I do think we need 4 wingers, not just to cover injury, but also because there'll be games when the starting wide-men are ineffective (as we saw with El Ghazi last season) and it's the easiest position to make a substitution during the game.

There are serious doubts over whether Andre Green's ready for the Premiership yet, so it wouldn't surprise me if we are looking at another winger- but with it not being as pressing as a striker of a keeper, looking to pick up a 'bargain' like this one.

Ideally, I'd still another left-footer. It still surprises me that we haven't gone for Jarrod Bowen, but at this stage Hull aren't going to let him go cheaply. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end-up signing Harry Wilson on loan, with an option to buy either in January or next summer...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on July 30, 2019, 12:33:08 PM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez)

If he's not real then give me a fake goalie any day:



After the first few saves I thought "well I would expect anyone to save them" but then some of the latter ones were exceptionally good

Benitez has just tweeted "Las cosas buenas siempre llegan a aquellos que saben esperar." (Good things come to those who wait)...

Read into that what you will. Most of Twitter have decided it means he's on the move...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
Or he's about to drink a Guinness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
Just read on another site we have made a bid of £11 million for Phillips from the Albion - I hope we are not that stupid!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: robbo1874 on July 30, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
That made laugh- the guiness gag, I mean.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 30, 2019, 01:02:43 PM
Just read on another site we have made a bid of £11 million for Phillips from the Albion - I hope we are not that stupid!

Not a chance, it goes against everything we have done this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2019, 01:03:05 PM
Just read on another site we have made a bid of £11 million for Phillips from the Albion - I hope we are not that stupid!
3-4 years' ago Phillips woud have been a great acquisition. Now? - nah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 30, 2019, 01:11:32 PM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez)

If he's not real then give me a fake goalie any day:



After the first few saves I thought "well I would expect anyone to save them" but then some of the latter ones were exceptionally good
I agree. I found myself watching it at the beginning thinking "stop punching or palming everything and just keep hold of it ffs! Looking at that compilation he appears to have great reactions/reflexes and the ability to recover really quickly from an initial shot/save.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 30, 2019, 01:12:41 PM
Granted transfer fees are barmy, but 11 million, if true for Phillips is way to much
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2019, 01:22:39 PM
With a bit of development Green could be as good as Philips. I think Philips is one of those players who'll get old before his time. Like Gabby, Bent etc because of the injuries. As others have said. 3-4 years ago yes, now?  He's 28 and it's a gamble as to whether you'll keep him fit. He'll have probably lost a yard since he was in the top flight (where he's really only had a solid 12 months of looking the part).

I think between Jota, Kodjia, Trezeguet and El Ghazi we're pretty good in wide areas. Even our Jack can play there if we needed him too. And we've got Green too. I'd be loaning out Andre with a recall option.

If we're gambling on an injury prone player I'd rather go for Sturridge is a back up for our striking options.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
Phillips is too injury prone and looked overweight when we played them in the play-off semis. He also seems to have lost a yard of pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Yes Sturbridge will keep the treatment room busy.
We should only sign him if we break both his arms,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2019, 02:21:50 PM
Another no to Philips.  Makes Fat Ross look like Twiggy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 30, 2019, 02:28:51 PM
Benitez - looks to have good reflexes and to be a good shot stopper but no evidence of whether he can come for crosses, boss his area or play it out.  He also seems allergic to catching the ball - some of those saves were easier to catch than push away.  Don't really like keepers who do that all the time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
Phillips is shit now. I wouldn't give those bitter bog eyed twats a penny for him. Leave them skint in the piss pot division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2019, 03:22:31 PM
I’ll wait for John Percy to say we’ve made a bid for anyone before believing it and even with him, someone with more credibility than most I might raise a Spockean eyebrow.

But if any of these no name click bait sites makes a transfer claim then it’s generally speculative column inch filling bullshit. And if it came from Gregg Evans I’d wait to see the player make 50 appearances before believing he was one of ours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 30, 2019, 03:29:31 PM
Amavi in this team would be much better than he was under Sherwood, RDM or Bruce. He had bags of skill and a fantastic cross on him but needed some coaching on his defence. I get that for some people a full back with defensive issues is irredeemable but for me having the natural ability to get forward and have an impact in attack is a massive bonus (as we're seeing with Guilbert).

I think he'd have done brilliantly last season next to Terry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on July 30, 2019, 03:33:35 PM
Is Walter Benitiz a real person ? The Wiki page is a bit sparse to say the least

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Daniel_Ben%C3%ADtez)

If he's not real then give me a fake goalie any day:



After the first few saves I thought "well I would expect anyone to save them" but then some of the latter ones were exceptionally good
I agree. I found myself watching it at the beginning thinking "stop punching or palming everything and just keep hold of it ffs! Looking at that compilation he appears to have great reactions/reflexes and the ability to recover really quickly from an initial shot/save.

I agree, he seems to parry the ball quite a bit. Unfortunately, there's too many poachers a la Aguero, Kane, Salah etc.. that will tap those in. He seems to be a great shot stopper though. He's a big lad and seems to have decent intensity. We will see..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2019, 04:47:19 PM
So Webster off to Brighton from Bristol City for the same price as Tyrone (or maybe slightly more).  I know who I'd rather have.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2019, 04:48:27 PM
It's at least, what, 5 days now since the last transfer.  Unacceptable, sack the board!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 30, 2019, 06:16:45 PM
Harry arter has crocked Bournemouth’s new 13M signing LLOYD KELLY in training, carried off on buggy then left on crutches. Good omen to help with our first home win👍🏻
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2019, 06:16:50 PM
In the context of mad football fees Everton agreeing £27.5 million odd for Moise Kean seems like a bargain. He looks a hell of a talent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2019, 07:06:31 PM
In the context of mad football fees Everton agreeing £27.5 million odd for Moise Kean seems like a bargain. He looks a hell of a talent.

Similar to our Douglas fee seemingly being low though - Juventus can buy him back when they want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2019, 07:18:54 PM
In the context of mad football fees Everton agreeing £27.5 million odd for Moise Kean seems like a bargain. He looks a hell of a talent.

Similar to our Douglas fee seemingly being low though - Juventus can buy him back when they want.

Ah ok.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Larry Duff on July 30, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
Paul_e (and Larry Duff if the gent is reading), what's your opinion on Mitch Clark's move to Leicester?

I think we will be okay with it.  I have watched the Academy sides for years and I always champion our young players hoping they will become first team regulars.  But, the brutal truth is that most years none of them make it in to our first team and only  two or three from the years intake make a living in the game at lower level.  I thought Mitch and Callum O'Hare were the best prospects from that Team.  They will both make it as Pro Footballers as their loan spells proved.  Much better than other high profile youth players have done on loan.
But after a good start Mitch wasn't outstanding at Port Vale although He did fine.  I like him a lot and He is a character on the pitch but I don't think He will come back to haunt us.
And Yes I would definitely have signed him for another year or so, just in case !!


 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 30, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

It was a shite team at the time but you could tell these 3 had that extra quality about them.

On another note what happened to that full back that wanted Champions League football? Couldn’t stand him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 30, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

It was a shite team at the time but you could tell these 3 had that extra quality

On another note what happened to that full back that wanted Champions League football? Couldn’t stand him

Gueye and Armavi were very good as was Gill, I could never make my mind up about Veretout and I was wrong
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2019, 08:27:12 PM
So Gueye has signed for PSG. Does anyone still think that he, Veretout and Amavi weren’t good enough for us?

It was a shite team at the time but you could tell these 3 had that extra quality about them.

On another note what happened to that full back that wanted Champions League football? Couldn’t stand him

You mean the one that was misquoted and got hammered for it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 30, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
How dare Bacuna say yes that one day he would like to play CL football if he could, the overly smiling fecker should have said he had no ambition or dreams for his career.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 09:12:08 PM
I miss the great sulky smiley debates.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 30, 2019, 09:12:48 PM
Ayew, wanker, never smiles. Bacuna, wanker, smiles too much.

Thankfully we now insert smile clauses into every contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Our scouting reports are a paragraph about footballing ability, three words about injury record, and ninety-four pages on facial expressions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2019, 09:20:38 PM
Walter Benitez isn't involved with Nice tonight, they are missing him as they are 5-1 down to Burnley. Could well be on the move as they otherwise have full strength team out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on July 30, 2019, 09:21:28 PM
Our scouting reports are a paragraph about footballing ability, three words about injury record, and ninety-four pages on facial expressions.

Yeah - The scout who recommended BB has now been sacked.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 30, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
Walter Benitez isn't involved with Nice tonight, they are missing him as they are 5-1 down to Burnley. Could well be on the move as they otherwise have full strength team out.

Maybe a bizzare triangle where we sign Heaton and Burnley sign Benitez and Nice sign Nyland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 30, 2019, 09:29:59 PM
Oddly I found Veretout the easiest one to spot as a great prospect.  First saw him in the infamous warm up against Forest when Tactics Tim played Richards at centre back.  I had not seen a Villa midfielder ping the ball with such precision since Platty.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 30, 2019, 09:57:07 PM
Oddly I found Veretout the easiest one to spot as a great prospect.  First saw him in the infamous warm up against Forest when Tactics Tim played Richards at centre back.  I had not seen a Villa midfielder ping the ball with such precision since Platty.

All 3 of those signings were good. We  just had an obnoxious, clueless, seemingly xenophobic, tactically illiterate manager at the time who disowned them as soon as the wheels came off his wagon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 30, 2019, 09:58:46 PM
One thing I will be glad about when the transfer window shuts is I will no longer be tempted to click articles online and forced to read endless quotes from Noel Whelan, Danny Mills and Darren Bent. They have had those 3 on rotation for a Villa rent a quote all summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2019, 10:08:31 PM
One thing I will be glad about when the transfer window shuts is I will no longer be tempted to click articles online and forced to read endless quotes from Noel Whelan, Danny Mills and Darren Bent. They have had those 3 on rotation for a Villa rent a quote all summer.

The Evening Mail duping people with sensationalist headlines and downright lies too.  Crap.  I honestly don't recall selecting a single click on the Mail site that actually bared and resemblance to the story behind the headline. Disgraceful journalism.  The only reliable headline writing I've seen is from the Express and Star or the Guardian.  The Evening Mail can fuck right off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 30, 2019, 10:49:46 PM
There’s just 10 days to go of this transfer window. This transfer window has been simply amazing but we still really need to be signing a keeper and another striker so I’d like to be hearing some solid information before the end of the week rather than leaving them until the last day. It would be a massive shame if we don’t strengthen both of those critical goal scoring and goal saving positions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2019, 11:27:11 PM
I remember the day we signed Veretout. Some has photographed from a seat in the lower North or something standing in the centre circle. Those were the days where we tracked Randy’s air motor from place to place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2019, 11:30:42 PM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2019, 11:32:41 PM
Hopefully that’s acceptable. Seems like a good compromise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2019, 11:36:51 PM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 30, 2019, 11:37:33 PM
How does Heaton compare to Butland? Is one rated higher than the other or both as good as each other?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2019, 11:40:57 PM
How does Heaton compare to Butland? Is one rated higher than the other or both as good as each other?
I actually prefer Heaton over Butland. I think he just outshines Butland overall but I can't remember either being great "footballers" which I imagine Smith might want in his set up, like Ederson or Becker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2019, 11:49:40 PM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.

I wouldn’t believe Alan Nixon if he pointed to bright yellow thing in the sky and told me “young man it’s called the sun”
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 11:50:19 PM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.

It doesn't seem that excessive. It's not far off what we paid for Merson, and that was about a million years ago when prices were only massively ridiculous.

It might allow us to keep Steer and develop him through cup appearances to see if he is good enough to be long term incumbent.

And if not, fuck it, just spend another gazillion pound on some wunderkeeper in a few years time when Heaton is past his prime. It's not my money, don't care 😊
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
I’d sooner get a keeper for the next 10 years than do again what we did with Given. A good keeper who was in the downward stage of his career, on what was a lot of money over many years. Stupid. Not that we would necessarily give Heaton a 5 year deal like Given but why not just pay the extra for Butland and be done with it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 11:57:42 PM
Maybe that's still the plan. Knowing this board we will probably buy both!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 12:17:49 AM
Heaton could be our keeper for 5 years and then if things are going well, we can buy a keeper who is good with their feet too.

I'm assuming that Nixon may have some good information for once with it involving a North West club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 31, 2019, 07:08:53 AM
Offer accepted for Heaton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 31, 2019, 07:15:42 AM
According to Percy so sounds positive
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 31, 2019, 07:18:43 AM
As long as his injury as healed I would be very happy with Heaton. 8m+Add ons seems fair
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 31, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.

It doesn't seem that excessive. It's not far off what we paid for Merson, and that was about a million years ago when prices were only massively ridiculous.

It might allow us to keep Steer and develop him through cup appearances to see if he is good enough to be long term incumbent.

And if not, fuck it, just spend another gazillion pound on some wunderkeeper in a few years time when Heaton is past his prime. It's not my money, don't care 😊

It’s chicken feed feed for our owners agreed!

Two season contract deal sorted. Quality keeper with a great record. Captain of Burnley so can lead.

Jed gets another Jedi master to learn from.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2019, 07:43:30 AM
just Maupay to go then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2019, 07:47:09 AM
Just Maupay or Neymar and that's us done, I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: alanclare on July 31, 2019, 07:57:27 AM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.

It doesn't seem that excessive. It's not far off what we paid for Merson, and that was about a million years ago when prices were only massively ridiculous.

It might allow us to keep Steer and develop him through cup appearances to see if he is good enough to be long term incumbent.

And if not, fuck it, just spend another gazillion pound on some wunderkeeper in a few years time when Heaton is past his prime. It's not my money, don't care 😊

It’s chicken feed feed for our owners agreed!

Two season contract deal sorted. Quality keeper with a great record. Captain of Burnley so can lead.

Jed gets another Jedi master to learn from.
The Telegraph thinks it’s a shrewd purchase.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/31/aston-villa-agree-8m-deal-burnley-goalkeeper-tom-heaton/

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2019, 07:58:09 AM
33 for a keeper probably equates to 28 for an outfield player in terms of longgevity.

£8 million seems more than reasonable to me for Heaton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Baldy on July 31, 2019, 08:20:54 AM
Excellent news. Heaton ticks all the right boxes for at least the next season or two.

Burnley supporters are bemused at his departure and this can only be good news for us. To use their own words 'he is their club captain, a leader and glued their defence together'. In his absence they fear relegation.

Roughly 10 years ago the top clubs used to buy our best players (we finished 6th for three years in a row). It strengthened them and in the process kept us out of the top five. The more we can strengthen ourselves and in the process weaken the lesser teams in the Premier League, the better. For next season, it helps to take relegation out of the equation. Shrewd business.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Bad English on July 31, 2019, 09:27:26 AM
or Neymar
I'd rather we resigned Agbonlahor than that twat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 09:45:02 AM
rumours they are still after a striker which will beat the transfer record
and its not Maupay   .   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 31, 2019, 09:47:43 AM
I got wood
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on July 31, 2019, 09:49:56 AM
rumours they are still after a striker which will beat the transfer record
and its not Maupay   .   

https://youtu.be/CFnymJDZAS8

Hopefully it's now Michael Owen. What a video.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
rumours they are still after a striker which will beat the transfer record
and its not Maupay   .   

https://youtu.be/CFnymJDZAS8

Hopefully it's now Michael Owen. What a video.

I wouldnt mind Michelle Owen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 31, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
Michelle Owen - looking at her bump on the telly the other night, I think that someone has beat you to her. She is very attractive though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
Michelle Owen - looking at her bump on the telly the other night, I think that someone has beat you to her. She is very attractive though.

she was always getting in cars with Villa players :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Michelle Owen - looking at her bump on the telly the other night, I think that someone has beat you to her. She is very attractive though.

https://news.sky.com/story/hyperemesis-gravidarum-has-made-my-pregnancy-a-living-hell-11720699
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2019, 10:25:35 AM
Wasn't she in a car with Kortney Hause about thirteen weeks ago?

Edit: I see Juan Pablo has already started the same gossip!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 31, 2019, 10:54:44 AM
rumours they are still after a striker which will beat the transfer record
and its not Maupay   .   

Where are the rumours?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2019, 10:56:58 AM
Michelle Owen - looking at her bump on the telly the other night, I think that someone has beat you to her. She is very attractive though.

https://news.sky.com/story/hyperemesis-gravidarum-has-made-my-pregnancy-a-living-hell-11720699

Poor girl, sounds fuxking horrible. Hope all works out well and the babby is healthy (and a top Villa player in twenty years).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 10:59:20 AM
Wasn't she in a car with Kortney Hause about thirteen weeks ago?

Edit: I see Juan Pablo has already started the same gossip!

lots of dogging in Kingsbury Ive heard ' from a friend'  cough
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 11:00:02 AM
rumours they are still after a striker which will beat the transfer record
and its not Maupay   .   

Where are the rumours?

well theres one on Villa View podcast this morning
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
She's a Bristol City fan so we'll probably buy him (if it's a boy) off them for 500m in 2040.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on July 31, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
I had a dream last night that we signed Callum Wilson from Bournemouth for £32.5m. If that's not a rumour, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 12:45:47 PM
Bournemouth would want double that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
My friend works at villa as a coach.

Not first team but still hears things now and again.

Aparently we are after a striker in a similar model to aguero 5'8-5"10 small low centre of gravity type so we have 2 legitimate attacking options. Sadly the second bit is all the names he mentioned are from either league 1 in France or seria A. So not maupay.

They were just names he has heard tossed around though not players we have enquired about so it's pointless to speculate but Simione at Fiorentina fits that bill
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
My friend works at villa as a coach.

Not first team but still hears things now and again.

Aparently we are after a striker in a similar model to aguero 5'8-5"10 small low centre of gravity type so we have 2 legitimate attacking options. Sadly the second bit is all the names he mentioned are from either league 1 in France or seria A. So not maupay.

They were just names he has heard tossed around though not players we have enquired about so it's pointless to speculate but Simione at Fiorentina fits that bill

We were linked to Gregoire Defrel the other week. French, on loan at Sampdoria from Roma. Would seemingly tick all those boxes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 31, 2019, 01:22:38 PM
She's a Bristol City fan so we'll probably buy him (if it's a boy) off them for 500m in 2040.

I speak to her often when she is at VP

She is a Villa fan as is her Father - she does live in Bristol area hence the reason she used to report a lot on their games on a Saturday

She is even more lovelier close up
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 31, 2019, 01:24:49 PM
My friend works at villa as a coach.

Not first team but still hears things now and again.

Aparently we are after a striker in a similar model to aguero 5'8-5"10 small low centre of gravity type so we have 2 legitimate attacking options. Sadly the second bit is all the names he mentioned are from either league 1 in France or seria A. So not maupay.

They were just names he has heard tossed around though not players we have enquired about so it's pointless to speculate but Simione at Fiorentina fits that bill
Dries Mertens?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2019, 01:30:15 PM
If Mertens were to leave Napoli there would be a lot of clubs in the queue ahead of us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 31, 2019, 01:32:23 PM
I can but dream.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 31, 2019, 01:41:19 PM
Proof in the eating and all that, but.... I’m struggling to think of a summer where I was so convinced about our transfer activity. Every one makes sense. None feels like a serious compromise. To overhaul a squad so fully and still have fans on message boards so united behind the plan must be a rare thing in football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 31, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
Proof in the eating and all that, but.... I’m struggling to think of a summer where I was so convinced about our transfer activity. Every one makes sense. None feels like a serious compromise. To overhaul a squad so fully and still have fans on message boards so united behind the plan must be a rare thing in football.

yes agreed

it’s all a bit to perfect in a way
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 31, 2019, 01:52:05 PM
Proof in the eating and all that, but.... I’m struggling to think of a summer where I was so convinced about our transfer activity. Every one makes sense. None feels like a serious compromise. To overhaul a squad so fully and still have fans on message boards so united behind the plan must be a rare thing in football.

yes agreed

it’s all a bit to perfect in a way
Is it like the football equivalent of a honeymoon?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 31, 2019, 02:14:54 PM
Yeah I definitely feel like that. Irrationally suspicious about how positive I’m feeling!

On the other hand, while there are always uncertainties in football, I reckon with transfers it’s usually the bleeding obvious things that cause problems. Oh, that out of contract has-been with a dodgy knee and a lousy attitude didn’t work out? Those French players in key positions who have been thrown together under a halfwit manager aren’t settling? That streaky player who likes a pie of two doesn’t like training, the one that’s got an attitude problem but if he can recapture his form of 2 years ago etc etc. You look back and realise we were taking a gamble that we could defy the likeliest outcome.

You can pick holes in some of the recent signings individually - Wesley probably the obvious one. But you really have to go out of your way to do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Luffbralion on July 31, 2019, 03:02:27 PM
Completely agree. This close season has been brilliant. We have not had to endure the endless sagas (Maguire to Man U) we have not buckled to unrealistic prices (Webster and Butland) or players who were not fully committed (Phillips). We have clearly had more than one name for each position and scouted and analysed each prospective player meticulously. The whole process has been focused, strategic and professionally executed. We seem to have people running the club who definitely know how to get things done in a proper manner.

Of course, any transfer can go wrong but these new players look technically accomplished, eager to develop and reasonably priced in today's market. My only (slight) reservation is whether we would need a couple of older heads and that is why I welcome Tom Heaton. He performed heroics for Burnley last year and, by all accounts, was a vocal figure in organising at the back. This can be crucial for a goalkeeper.

Just waiting for these final announcements and a new striker. What a summer!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2019, 03:09:11 PM
A short striker a bit like Aguero.

Hmmm... how about Aguero?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2019, 03:13:21 PM
Wasn’t Pep trying to move him on last summer? Aguero is still an amazing player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2019, 03:15:08 PM
A short striker a bit like Aguero.

Hmmm... how about Aguero?

I would eat Rick whollas ass with a spoon in order to sign aguero but we are nowhere near that level yet unfortunately!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 31, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
Also I think the £200k a week may be a bit much for us to pay in wages!

I would be surprised if we sign anyone else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on July 31, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
I believe we will sign another striker. Not sure what to make of the rumour we are going after an ambitious big name that will break our transfer record. Maybe we really are going after Icardi 😎
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 31, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
Alan Nixon - Villa have made new bid of £8 mill rising to £10 for Heaton.

For a 33 year old (even if a keeper) with one year left on his contract?

Hmmm.

I wouldn’t believe Alan Nixon if he pointed to bright yellow thing in the sky and told me “young man it’s called the sun”

Is it the "young man" bit you would find hardest to swallow Toronto?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2019, 05:51:21 PM
Bruce might be interested in Axel for Noocastle


FFS

Where you playing him Bruce?    Right Back ..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 05:53:51 PM
I very much doubt Axel would be interested in Bruce and Noocastle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
Still being linked with Luyindama at Gala and Baptiste Santamaria of Angers. How many Defender/Defensive Midfielders do we need?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 31, 2019, 06:31:03 PM
Sheffield paying £20m for McBurnie! Worlds gone mad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Sheffield paying £20m for McBurnie! Worlds gone mad

WTF are they going to do with a polar research ship?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2019, 09:05:16 PM
The shorter striker thing is interesting. Was Maxwel Cornet one of the names mentioned? I heard a rumour a while back of us having a scout watch Lyon 7-8 times last year (from a friend who lives over there and met the guy at a couple of games) but I never mentioned it because there were links to one of their midfielders at the time (Tousart) so I'd assumed it was to watch him. Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 31, 2019, 09:08:57 PM
Yeah I definitely feel like that. Irrationally suspicious about how positive I’m feeling!

On the other hand, while there are always uncertainties in football, I reckon with transfers it’s usually the bleeding obvious things that cause problems. Oh, that out of contract has-been with a dodgy knee and a lousy attitude didn’t work out? Those French players in key positions who have been thrown together under a halfwit manager aren’t settling? That streaky player who likes a pie of two doesn’t like training, the one that’s got an attitude problem but if he can recapture his form of 2 years ago etc etc. You look back and realise we were taking a gamble that we could defy the likeliest outcome.

You can pick holes in some of the recent signings individually - Wesley probably the obvious one. But you really have to go out of your way to do it.

Wesley and Luiz and the big gambles in the key positions. The rest aren't especially if they have wage reductions in the event of relegation
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 31, 2019, 09:25:47 PM
The shorter striker thing is interesting. Was Maxwel Cornet one of the names mentioned? I heard a rumour a while back of us having a scout watch Lyon 7-8 times last year (from a friend who lives over there and met the guy at a couple of games) but I never mentioned it because there were links to one of their midfielders at the time (Tousart) so I'd assumed it was to watch him. Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I doubt we'll sign him, he's too much brass.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2019, 09:27:30 PM
The shorter striker thing is interesting. Was Maxwel Cornet one of the names mentioned? I heard a rumour a while back of us having a scout watch Lyon 7-8 times last year (from a friend who lives over there and met the guy at a couple of games) but I never mentioned it because there were links to one of their midfielders at the time (Tousart) so I'd assumed it was to watch him. Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

Simione has been mentioned as well as luiz muriel, Defrel and lautaro martinez from seria A and from France khazri(never heard of) and Ghoddos who aparently we have looked at him in quite some depth. I just know hes from Iran and pretty quick across the ground but as far as I know absolutely none have been bid for just names banded about a bit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2019, 09:31:11 PM
...from France khazri(never heard of)

Was at Sunderland during their relegation season. Looked as alright as an attacker could realistically look in that side. But still not great.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2019, 09:34:30 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2019, 10:00:27 PM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.

He'd fail his medical, he's got Funny Feet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2019, 10:01:32 PM
...from France khazri(never heard of)

Was at Sunderland during their relegation season. Looked as alright as an attacker could realistically look in that side. But still not great.

Remi Garde wanted to sign him IIRC.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ (https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ)

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

You wouldn't get a response like that on that smaallheathalliance.com


edit: woah, daft word filter alert.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2019, 10:09:47 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ (https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ)

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

You wouldn't get a response like that on that smaallheathalliance.com


edit: woah, daft word filter alert.

That's because I'm from the Shires and I'm from a long line of fanny's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 31, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
The source of the rumour is a bit flakey, so I'd say the chances of him coming are a 99%
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
The source of the rumour is a bit flakey, so I'd say the chances of him coming are a 99%

Hope he signs, though, he'd be Fab.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 31, 2019, 10:50:40 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

If he can bend it like Beckett it will truly be Happy Days, SE.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2019, 11:21:11 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

He really does!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

If he can bend it like Beckett it will truly be Happy Days, SE.

If he's better than Rosencrantz and Guildenstern he's dead good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rodders on July 31, 2019, 11:37:26 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

If he can bend it like Beckett it will truly be Happy Days, SE.

If he's better than Rosencrantz and Guildenstern he's dead good.

Hear, hear. And we have a Top Stoppard in Heaton now, too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2019, 11:42:46 PM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
The source of the rumour is a bit flakey, so I'd say the chances of him coming are a 99%

Hope he signs, though, he'd be Fab.

When I saw the comment and thought back I couldn't quite remember his name but I remembered him telling me and thinking it'd start a pun-a-thon on here if ever I mentioned him, which made it easy to find who it was. I'm glad you didn't disappoint.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 01, 2019, 01:26:46 AM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
The source of the rumour is a bit flakey, so I'd say the chances of him coming are a 99%
It would be a real scoop if we got hm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 07:02:50 AM
his goal scoring record hardly causes a ripple. It's Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 08:18:30 AM
I can’t help thinking that there may be something else going on in the background.
If we wanted Maupay I’m sure we would have got him by now.

I’ve thought for a while (for no obvious reason) that we might make a ‘statement’ signing. Everyone knows we need a proven striker and I just wonder if the club are working on something.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 01, 2019, 08:20:10 AM
I can’t help thinking that there may be something else going on in the background.
If we wanted Maupay I’m sure we would have got him by now.

I’ve thought for a while (for no obvious reason) that we might make a ‘statement’ signing. Everyone knows we need a proven striker and I just wonder if the club are working on something.

Unless Brentford want a replacement before selling
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 01, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
Cornet is the guy he's raves about though so that would be an great link (although he's been linked to Liverpool a fair bit).

I hope we don't have to wafer long for him as well.
The source of the rumour is a bit flakey, so I'd say the chances of him coming are a 99%
It would be a real scoop if we got hm.

I-ce s-cream at all these puns  !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2019, 08:55:35 AM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ (https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ)

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

You wouldn't get a response like that on that smaallheathalliance.com


edit: woah, daft word filter alert.

That's because I'm from the Shires and I'm from a long line of fanny's.

Fannies. You let us down there SE. Fuck off to SHA.com
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 01, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Tom Heaton




Ok the jigsaw puzzle is almost complete
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
Tom Heaton




Ok the jigsaw puzzle is almost complete

There's always one missing piece in the end.  Despite looking down the sofa, under the rug, in the dog's basket. It never turns up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 01, 2019, 10:51:29 AM
This must have been posted but I haven’t seen it so ICYMI too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49158163 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49158163)

Quotes like this reassure me immensely:

Quote
"I wanted to retain the spine of the team and add some quality to that. Three of the players we've signed were with us last season and two others I've worked with at Brentford.

"Even Trez [Egypt international Trezeguet] is great friends with [Villa defender Ahmed] Elmohamady. Wesley has struck up a great friendship with Jota.

"My ambition is to win every game we play. We want to compete in the Premier League."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
Nice to see that Spinky had a word with him. Heaton looks a bit like Dean, one of the other signings does too, was it Targett?  His own kids must be a bit miffed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2019, 11:39:31 AM
We seem to announce most of our signings on a Thursday for some reason.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 11:46:20 AM
Another striker to come I reckon, complete the Luiz deal and that must be about it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:49:30 AM
Heaton

Guilbert
Engels
Korza
Targett

Marv
Doug

Trez
Jota
?Maupay?

Wes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
Heaton

Gilbert
Engels
Korza
Targett

Marv
Doug

Trez
Jota
?Maupay?

Wes

No Mings then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
He was here last season, so he's not eligible :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2019, 11:54:54 AM
Thought you were naming your team for the Tottenham game which would have left Jack and McGinn out too.

Technically Guibert was here!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 01, 2019, 12:08:26 PM
Tom Heaton




Ok the jigsaw puzzle is almost complete

There's always one missing piece in the end.  Despite looking down the sofa, under the rug, in the dog's basket. It never turns up.

Marvelous Nakamba


It's turn up
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 12:12:55 PM
Why do I keep typing Korza instead of Konsa ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 01, 2019, 12:15:33 PM
I Cant cope with all this !  it is like 4 transfer window in one !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 12:22:22 PM
BBC article on signings, including interview with Jack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49158163
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2019, 12:22:23 PM
Really good listen to...podcast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07jf0hh

In the first of our Premier League specials, Steve Crossman goes behind the scenes at Aston Villa ahead of the new season.

Learn how Jack Grealish's Mum was more worried than he was when he was attacked by a Birmingham fan, why Tyrone Mings knew he'd 'made it' when he upgraded his Citroën Saxo to a Vauxhall Corsa, why manager Dean Smith 'had to' sign over 10 players this summer and how we've all been pronouncing Conor Hourihane's name incorrectly.

If that isn't enough we also catch up with club captain James Chester and new signings Jota and Matt Targett.

Joining Steve throughout the pod is Villa legend Dion Dublin.

The guy doing the interviews shits on Woodward
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
BBC article on signings, including interview with Jack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49158163
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2019, 12:24:23 PM
Just a forward to come I reckon and few out of the door. Brilliant to have so much done already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 01, 2019, 12:41:59 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ (https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ)

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

We'll be waiting a while if it's him.

You wouldn't get a response like that on that smaallheathalliance.com


edit: woah, daft word filter alert.

That's because I'm from the Shires and I'm from a long line of fanny's.

Fannies. You let us down there SE. Fuck off to SHA.com

A deliberate error, I can assure you. I wanted full authenticity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2019, 12:50:57 PM
https://youtu.be/hPl_iCAVTlQ

Ghoddos really looks very good to be fair. I've never actually looked at him before and I think hes only 26 and can play anywhere in the final third. For the right money I wouldnt say no

Call that a striker? He doesn't even know where the 6 yard box is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
Domenico Beradi is the main target according to lots on twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 01:06:37 PM
Berardi looks exactly the sort of player I'd be looking for, could easily play wide as well as up front and can get involved in build up as well as being the finisher.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
Domenico Beradi is the main target according to lots on twitter.


Decent goal record of one goal every three games and I suppose he must be good if he has played five times for the Italian national side whilst at a small club like Sassuolo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 01, 2019, 01:19:58 PM
Domenico Beradi is the main target according to lots on twitter.


Decent goal record of one goal every three games and I suppose he must be good if he has played five times for the Italian national side whilst at a small club like Sassuolo.

From TransferMarket and his Wiki page he has been a one club man so far.

Also it is his birthday today. He is 25 years old.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 01:21:18 PM
Not sure about Berardi. After doing some scouting on Wikipedia I don't think he scores enough goals. Hope I'm wrong and he bangs in 20 in the PL this season if we sign him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 01, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
Berardi could hardly be classed as having a low centre of gravity. He's a bit too slow as well. Not sure about that one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2019, 01:58:46 PM
A few years ago he was the hottest property in Italian football. At one point it was a case of when Juve paid £30m for him, not if they would.

Seems to have lost his way a bit since but could be interesting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2019, 02:04:56 PM
Wicki says his preferred position is winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 02:21:29 PM
can play wide or centrally, rather like Maupay. Can't see this one personally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 01, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Having carefully weighed up the pros and cons of this one, my considered opinion is that I’ve never heard of Domenico Berardi and I don’t know anything about him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
Having carefully weighed up the pros and cons of this one, my considered opinion is that I’ve never heard of Domenico Berardi and I don’t know anything about him.

😂😂 Me too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
I've watched the obligatory you tube videos and decided he's not good enough.

Let's have another Brazilian.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 01, 2019, 03:28:01 PM
Having carefully weighed up the pros and cons of this one, my considered opinion is that I’ve never heard of Domenico Berardi and I don’t know anything about him.
Irrelevant, his name rhymes with Bacardi.
Sign him up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 01, 2019, 03:28:46 PM
I've watched the obligatory you tube videos and decided he's not good enough.

Let's have another Brazilian.

I’ve still got a rash from the last one.

(that sounds wrong on a number of levels)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 03:42:57 PM
Having carefully weighed up the pros and cons of this one, my considered opinion is that I’ve never heard of Domenico Berardi and I don’t know anything about him.
Irrelevant, his name rhymes with Bacardi.
Sign him up.

So does Icardi  8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on August 01, 2019, 04:42:55 PM
Andre Green in talks to join Preston North End on loan.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-aston-villa-forward-in-advanced-talks-to-join-north-west-club-for-19-20/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2019, 04:54:15 PM
If we sign Bacadi I want to be the first to call him Ron.

One for the multilingual.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: NottsVilla on August 01, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
Hearing rumours on twitter that we're planning on smashing our transfer record on a striker. I'd love to see us get Mauro Icardi but I reckon he's way out of our price range but if we're willing to spend 35-40m then Andrea Belotti could be an option.

Apparently Maupay is our fallback.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 05:07:35 PM
well we keep hearing Maupay is plan B without having once put in an inquiry for him. As to Icardi, he makes Balotelli look sane and his other half, who acts as his agent, when not modelling and instagraming, is also a grade A nut job. I think we really want Maupay's  co worker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 01, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
Hearing rumours on twitter that we're planning on smashing our transfer record on a striker. I'd love to see us get Mauro Icardi but I reckon he's way out of our price range but if we're willing to spend 35-40m then Andrea Belotti could be an option.

Apparently Maupay is our fallback.

If he goes anywhere he will probably go to a CL team - plus he's not going to sit on the bench with Wesley playing main striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
Looks like Andre is off to Preston for season long loan. That’s good if you ask me
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2019, 05:25:29 PM
Looks like Andre is off to Preston for season long loan. That’s good if you ask me

It is good as long as he takes the chance and grasps it without feeling sorry for himself. HUGE year for the lad. Shit or bust possibly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2019, 05:29:57 PM
Ismaila Sarr   another name on twatter
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Looks like Andre is off to Preston for season long loan. That’s good if you ask me

It is good as long as he takes the chance and grasps it without feeling sorry for himself. HUGE year for the lad. Shit or bust possibly.

I agree. We are spending millions on 21 year olds so he is no kid anymore. Last chance saloon
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 01, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
well we keep hearing Maupay is plan B without having once put in an inquiry for him. As to Icardi, he makes Balotelli look sane and his other half, who acts as his agent, when not modelling and instagraming, is also a grade A nut job. I think we really want Maupay's  co worker.
I think I agree - he'd come in well as a second striker to play a different way but could easily be a winger as well, therefore might not sit on the bench as long as a traditional striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 01, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
We've spent and acquired so much this summer its hard to believe that I'm still wanting a more dynamic forward to play off of Wesley. I'm not confident in RHM, KD or Hogan to coincide with the big man and I hope we can find someone with a better technical prowess at this level.

Kodjia can certainly be a difference maker for the last 25 minutes of a match, but I don't know if I see the enthusiasm to run off of Wesley. I think Kodjia's best attribute is getting the ball and being able to hold it to create space for himself but time for others. But, as always, he's an imminent goal threat.

I like the look of Berardi and remember him being linked with some bigger clubs years ago but his goals per game isn't exactly stellar. He does have a great touch and good awareness. His release clause is almost 40m.. and I just don't see the value?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2019, 06:48:45 PM
well we keep hearing Maupay is plan B without having once put in an inquiry for him. As to Icardi, he makes Balotelli look sane and his other half, who acts as his agent, when not modelling and instagraming, is also a grade A nut job. I think we really want Maupay's  co worker.

Have the club said we haven't put an enquiry in for Maupay? I haven't read that anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 06:58:02 PM
Brentford did - there are rumours we did bid for the other geezer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 01, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
Discussing us on transfer centre now on sky sports, we have spent £144.5 million on 12 players so far, and sources say there is 2 more still to come.

Also stated any club that has ever been promoted who has spent over £50 million on new players has always survived.....with 1 exception Fulham.

Well we have spent triple that magical £50 million survival figure so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 01, 2019, 07:46:50 PM
Can someone tell me something, and sorry for being dim, but how much can we actually spend before FFP starts to become a concern?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dean saunders left boot on August 01, 2019, 07:49:15 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3S1D8Z3/villa-in-and-out.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3S1D8Z3)

In regards to how many players we've brought in, one of the Villa facebook pages made this graphic of the in's and outs over the summer, which makes an interesting view of the business we've done
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
So we want two more then?  Green on his way to PNE for the season, so a winger must be inbound.  I hope it's Benrahma as he looks a class player. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2019, 08:01:11 PM
Isn't he injured?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on August 01, 2019, 08:01:36 PM
Discussing us on transfer centre now on sky sports, we have spent £144.5 million on 12 players so far, and sources say there is 2 more still to come.

Also stated any club that has ever been promoted who has spent over £50 million on new players has always survived.....with 1 exception Fulham.

Well we have spent triple that magical £50 million survival figure so far.

I think someone posted earlier that the rumoured budget this window was £200m.
If that is the case a record breaking striker would certainly be within our budget.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2019, 08:06:44 PM
Maupay will be signed next week. With Green seemingly going, a great move as he needs a full year that level, we need cover. That said if RHM is retained he has loads of talent and has shown he can be a role player if/when needed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on August 01, 2019, 08:07:58 PM
Andrea Boletti doing the rumour rounds on twitter. Fits the 5'11' Aguero-like brief.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 01, 2019, 08:12:43 PM
In regards to how many players we've brought in, one of the Villa facebook pages made this graphic of the in's and outs over the summer, which makes an interesting view of the business we've done
Ta for that.  I must admit I'd lost track, and I'm still not certain exactly who plays what role.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 01, 2019, 08:12:44 PM
I like how Richards and Gardner don’t have a corresponding ‘in’ because their contribution was zero.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Andrea Boletti doing the rumour rounds on twitter. Fits the 5'11' Aguero-like brief.

Yes please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2019, 08:17:35 PM
If he does anything like as well as he done in Serie A he'd be amazing.

I'd wonder though whether he's one of those who is amazing for one club but just doesn't fit in right at anyone other than Torino.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 01, 2019, 08:22:46 PM
Andrea Boletti doing the rumour rounds on twitter. Fits the 5'11' Aguero-like brief.

Yes please.
Wikipedia already has him listed as a Villa player :)
He is one ugly mother ****** but who cares as long as he is putting the ball in the net -how much would he cost?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2019, 08:25:31 PM
If he does anything like as well as he done in Serie A he'd be amazing.

I'd wonder though whether he's one of those who is amazing for one club but just doesn't fit in right at anyone other than Torino.

If nothing else he'd be used to scoring in a claret Kappa kit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 01, 2019, 08:26:21 PM
He is one ugly mother ****** but who cares as long as he is putting the ball in the net -how much would he cost?
He has a €100M release clause apparently.  He's contracted until 2021.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on August 01, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Wet Spam were linked a few weeks ago, but would not meet Torino’s £45m price (apparently)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2019, 08:35:37 PM
Just throw in Hogan to sweeten the deal. £55 million, it is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dean saunders left boot on August 01, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
In regards to how many players we've brought in, one of the Villa facebook pages made this graphic of the in's and outs over the summer, which makes an interesting view of the business we've done
Ta for that.  I must admit I'd lost track, and I'm still not certain exactly who plays what role.

Yeah having the ins and outs in a list is rather helpful to keep track of what's gone on over the summer so far!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2019, 09:11:33 PM
Imagine we get Benhrama and another striker of quality before the end of the window. Wes and Nas have stepped up big time this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on August 01, 2019, 09:12:56 PM
He is one ugly mother ****** but who cares as long as he is putting the ball in the net -how much would he cost?
He has a €100M release clause apparently.  He's contracted until 2021.
The way the pound is falling, it could cost us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 01, 2019, 09:28:12 PM
Green to PNE is a good loan, nice club where he will get game time. I will be taking my young lad to watch PNE beat Albion and Blues (I live near Preston) so will be sure to give a report on how he is getting on. Wouldn't mind Davies going there too for some experience as well. Although if Davies stays I do think he will get games this year (and will do well).

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2019, 09:39:30 PM
He is one ugly mother ****** but who cares as long as he is putting the ball in the net -how much would he cost?
He has a €100M release clause apparently.  He's contracted until 2021.
The way the pound is falling, it could cost us.

Not that we need anymore statements of intent, but this one would make the big boys take notice!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 10:19:13 PM
I see that Tshibola is still here then.  Training with the first team, hopefully the next one through the exit door.  I'd like us to keep Davis but think a move to a decent Championship team with a clause that he plays if he is fit, might do him the world of good.  BB, Kalinic, Tshibola and Bree can go I reckon.  I shall be keeping an eye on Cheltenham Town now that JDH has signed for them.

No talk of a work permit for Nakamba?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2019, 10:27:49 PM
Of all our players sidelined by previous managers, in my humble opinion Tshibola is one who could benefit most from the guiding hand of DS.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
I can't see him getting anywhere near a look-in. Assuming Luiz signs, we have plenty of central midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nodge on August 01, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
Andrea Boletti doing the rumour rounds on twitter. Fits the 5'11' Aguero-like brief.

He’s got a lovely voice but I doubt he’d see the ball coming...we’d have to put a bell in it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 10:42:47 PM
Andrea Boletti doing the rumour rounds on twitter. Fits the 5'11' Aguero-like brief.

He’s got a lovely voice but I doubt he’d see the ball coming...we’d have to put a bell in it.

Cruel. Funny, but you're going to hell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Of all our players sidelined by previous managers, in my humble opinion Tshibola is one who could benefit most from the guiding hand of DS.

It's a shame Brian, because he seems to have some great attributes for a footballer.  Height and physique etc but he just doesn't seem to be able to lift his game. You're certainly right about his being under the Dean Smith unbrella though, if he can't make it under him, Richard O'Kelly and JT, then he's just not going to make it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 01, 2019, 11:00:39 PM
Boletti seems to have been the interest of spam from January as well - if tinternet is to be believed 50 and 45 million euro bids both rejected, so they apparently have gone for maxi Lopez. Who knows? Apparently when he was on fire the club turned down 100m euros 2 years ago. Surely this is one for the dog heads and their #levels <gets tin hat>
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2019, 11:06:04 PM
Boletti seems to have been the interest of spam from January as well - if tinternet is to be believed 50 and 45 million euro bids both rejected, so they apparently have gone for maxi Lopez.

They seem to have ditched both and spent £40m on Sebastian Haller from Frankfurt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 01, 2019, 11:09:54 PM
Boletti seems to have been the interest of spam from January as well - if tinternet is to be believed 50 and 45 million euro bids both rejected, so they apparently have gone for maxi Lopez.

They seem to have ditched both and spent £40m on Sebastian Haller from Frankfurt.
So they have - is he even the same kind of player? There doesn’t seem to be any internet interest of boletti outside that at all. I did read a piece about him being a very humble man and more interested in being a decent human than chasing money which is why he wasn’t too bothered about missing out on a big transfer in 2017 - much to Christian vieri’s annoyance. I don’t think that adds anything but it appears I suffer from keyboard diahorrea.

Edited after dave replied - I now find I added nothing of note.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2019, 11:10:53 PM
*shrugs*

He's a striker. Bit bigger and quicker than the others. But not too dissimilar.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Belotti has been very loyal to Torino last few years, he scored for them in europa tonight so really don't see him leaving them now.

Edit: If we're looking at a winger/striker Iago Falque from there would be a very good pick up imo. He's hit double figures in Serie A last three seasons playing from wide and he was also at Spurs as a young player so knows English and would settle in easily.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 02, 2019, 12:47:18 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/3S1D8Z3/villa-in-and-out.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3S1D8Z3)

In regards to how many players we've brought in, one of the Villa facebook pages made this graphic of the in's and outs over the summer, which makes an interesting view of the business we've done


Made a little excel sheet similar to this - except next to Richards in the out column I have "some cones" in the in column.  As good business as we've done all summer.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2019, 08:07:28 AM
... You're certainly right about his being under the Dean Smith unbrella though, if he can't make it under him, Richard O'Kelly and JT, then he's just not going to make it.
It's up to him ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on August 02, 2019, 08:09:33 AM
Announce Phillips
Announce Maupay
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on August 02, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
Announce Phillips
Announce Maupay

#AnnouncePhillipsIsStayingWhereHeIs
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2019, 08:56:42 AM
#thatshiphassailed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2019, 09:14:17 AM
just a thought - could the mystery player be Ryan Sessegnon?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 02, 2019, 09:36:20 AM
just a thought - could the mystery player be Ryan Sessegnon?

No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2019, 09:40:58 AM
just a thought - could the mystery player be Ryan Sessegnon?

Nah, he's going to Spuds but they want to offload Rose first
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2019, 09:44:53 AM
I'd be happy if we got Sessegnon, seems a great prospect. Seems unlikely, though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Of all our players sidelined by previous managers, in my humble opinion Tshibola is one who could benefit most from the guiding hand of DS.

Yes, as long as that hand guides him out to somebody like Rochdale or Plymouth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2019, 10:24:05 AM
Of all our players sidelined by previous managers, in my humble opinion Tshibola is one who could benefit most from the guiding hand of DS.

Yes, as long as that hand guides him out to somebody like Rochdale or Plymouth.

If Tish was a 20/21 year old just being brought into the current Villa coaching setup, he might have a chance to make it.

It's probably too late at Villa now and best all round if he moves on. However, he still could have a decent career
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 02, 2019, 10:31:25 AM
Read on twitter this morning that we are the mystery Premier League club who have enquired about Gareth Bale on loan. Absolutely f'ing ridiculous of course and mainly sharing for the comedy value but I did allow my mind a little wander....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 02, 2019, 10:37:26 AM
Read on twitter this morning that we are the mystery Premier League club who have enquired about Gareth Bale on loan. Absolutely f'ing ridiculous of course and mainly sharing for the comedy value but I did allow my mind a little wander....

Real Madrid want shot of the man they call 'The English Golfer'* and there doesn't appear to be a scramble for his services.

*I know he is Welsh but the nickname is down to him being more interested in playing golf than socializing with his team mates and still insisting in speaking English rather than Spanish. Beckham never learnt Spanish either but I don't remember him being criticised for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
I've just seen Dr Zaius at BHX with his golf bag, so I reckon this is nailed on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2019, 10:53:05 AM
Read on twitter this morning that we are the mystery Premier League club who have enquired about Gareth Bale on loan. Absolutely f'ing ridiculous of course and mainly sharing for the comedy value but I did allow my mind a little wander....

Real Madrid want shot of the man they call 'The English Golfer'* and there doesn't appear to be a scramble for his services.

*I know he is Welsh but the nickname is down to him being more interested in playing golf than socializing with his team mates and still insisting in speaking English rather than Spanish. Beckham never learnt Spanish either but I don't remember him being criticised for it.

In fairness, he didn't know English either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 02, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
Bale on 600k a week and all he does is play golf?

That is fucking winning at life.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 02, 2019, 11:48:43 AM
Bale on 600k a week and all he does is play golf?

That is fucking winning at life.
Yes but you have to feel for the guy .....missing out on £1.1m per week and pitch and putt in Bejing
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Bale on 600k a week and all he does is play golf?

That is fucking winning at life.
Yes but you have to feel for the guy .....missing out on £1.1m per week and pitch and putt in Bejing

Jiangsu. Facilities would have to be pretty good to warrant the 1500 mile round trip to Beijing and back!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: bjfoster on August 02, 2019, 12:25:25 PM
Bale on 600k a week and all he does is play golf?

That is fucking winning at life.

To be fair, Micah Richards could have run him close for life goals of doing not a lot for a lot of money up until a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 02, 2019, 12:38:54 PM
Read on twitter this morning that we are the mystery Premier League club who have enquired about Gareth Bale on loan. Absolutely f'ing ridiculous of course and mainly sharing for the comedy value but I did allow my mind a little wander....

Smells very Wet Spam...?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 02, 2019, 12:57:32 PM
Still a good number to go out particularly if another forward comes in. Surprised not to see more interest in some of them.

Kalinic, Bree, Chester, Taylor, Lansbury, BB, Hogan, Kodjia, Tshibola and surely Davis and O'Hare will go on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: malckennedy on August 02, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
Still a good number to go out particularly if another forward comes in. Surprised not to see more interest in some of them.

Kalinic, Bree, Chester, Taylor, Lansbury, BB, Hogan, Kodjia, Tshibola and surely Davis and O'Hare will go on loan.

Not Kodija and Davis I hope. See them as valuable parts of the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on August 02, 2019, 01:45:40 PM
Davis’s ability to hold the ball up could be really useful with a more dynamic midfield around him. Saw that a bit in the friendlies so far.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 01:46:36 PM
Davis’s ability to hold the ball up could be really useful with a more dynamic midfield around him. Saw that a bit in the friendlies so far.

I agree, if we're signing another forward I'd be happy to let Kodjia go and keep Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
Kpdjia carries a goal threat, Davis doesn't.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 02:06:22 PM
Kpdjia carries a goal threat, Davis doesn't.

I agree, but I think the players around them are more likely to score if Davis is playing. More importantly, a 21 year old as the 3rd choice striker is fine, a guy who's pushing 30 really needs to be getting much more regular game time so I just don't see kodjia wanting to stick around, if we sign another forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2019, 02:11:52 PM
But if chances are at a premium this year, then Kodjia is more likely to be the man to take it.

I think Davis needs a loan and to get 40 games under his belt this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2019, 02:23:54 PM
Kpdjia carries a goal threat, Davis doesn't.

A threat that was waning badly even in the Championship
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on August 02, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
Kpdjia carries a goal threat, Davis doesn't.

A threat that was waning badly even in the Championship

Not bad in the ACON I thought he looked much more like is old self.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on August 02, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
But if chances are at a premium this year, then Kodjia is more likely to be the man to take it.

I think Davis needs a loan and to get 40 games under his belt this season.
I agree with this. I like Davis and if we got another striker in, then a season long loan would be good.

Kodjia can be frustrating, but he's skilful and awkward for the opposition and can create something out of nothing. In the run in, he was instrumental in turning the game at Rotherham when we down to 10 and also did well v Millwall.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 02, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
I agree, the strategy should be to get Davis games elsewhere while making sure we have enough goals in the side to keep us up this season. Kodjia, despite his post-injury collapse, is still more likely to contribute to that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
i hope we're not relying on Kodjia to much next season if i'm honest
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
apart from Jack have we had many other players who have benefited from going out on loan to develop and improve and coming back to form part of the first team ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 02, 2019, 03:42:35 PM
apart from Jack have we had many other players who have benefited from going out on loan to develop and improve and coming back to form part of the first team ?


Off the top of my head I don't think our record is great in regards that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 02, 2019, 03:47:57 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go

Davis has a good chance of developing into a decent Prem player is younger and will offer far more than Kodjia next season if he doesn't go out anywhere on loan

reminds me of the Grealish debate a not so long ago, people just couldn't see what he did what he offered and would have got rid with the first decent bid,
just go back and read the Grealish thread its all there

i think Davis will be the same, not as good or as big an influencer as Jack but one that in seasons to come we will be very glad we kept

obviously its all about opinions of players on here, but mine is Davis > kodjia
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 02, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
Keep Chester 100% and 75% keep Lansbury as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 02, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go

Davis has a good chance of developing into a decent Prem player is younger and will offer far more than Kodjia next season if he doesn't go out anywhere on loan

reminds me of the Grealish debate a not so long ago, people just couldn't see what he did what he offered and would have got rid with the first decent bid,
just go back and read the Grealish thread its all there

i think Davis will be the same, not as good or as big an influencer as Jack but one that in seasons to come we will be very glad we kept

obviously its all about opinions of players on here, but mine is Davis > kodjia

I think most would agree with you John.  However, the question/point is that at this moment in time, what is best in order to enhance Davis's game?  He won't develop much sitting around as 3rd choice next season and would likely not make the bench for the majority of games.  If he were to go out on loan for a season and play regularly, we'd have a much better and more experienced player on our hands in 12 months time
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 04:29:06 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go

Davis has a good chance of developing into a decent Prem player is younger and will offer far more than Kodjia next season if he doesn't go out anywhere on loan

reminds me of the Grealish debate a not so long ago, people just couldn't see what he did what he offered and would have got rid with the first decent bid,
just go back and read the Grealish thread its all there

i think Davis will be the same, not as good or as big an influencer as Jack but one that in seasons to come we will be very glad we kept

obviously its all about opinions of players on here, but mine is Davis > kodjia

I think most would agree with you John.  However, the question/point is that at this moment in time, what is best in order to enhance Davis's game?  He won't develop much sitting around as 3rd choice next season and would likely not make the bench for the majority of games.  If he were to go out on loan for a season and play regularly, we'd have a much better and more experienced player on our hands in 12 months time


because i think we send players out on loan who we don't really think are good enough
its just an excuse to see the back of them for a bit

apart from Jack who was a teenager when he went to Notts County it just doesn't work, cant think of any others where we have seen success by bringing them back from loan
its just a lazy way of saying we don't rate you you can see your contract out somewhere else ie Green, i don't think he will ever come back and trouble the first team now, and that's fair enough because i don't think he's going to make it

 but Davis is 21 i think he could be a direct replacement for Wesley at certain times and in certain games and is good enough imo

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
Gary Cahill was an example of a player who went out on loan and did well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 04:39:07 PM
Gary Cahill was an example of a player who went out on loan and did well.


not with us so much though let that be an example
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2019, 04:40:19 PM
O'Neill preferred to use Knight and Davies.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 02, 2019, 04:59:36 PM
If Davis is good enough, he'll benefit from a loan.  If (as speculated), we sign another striker, there is no way on this earth that Davis would be considered as number 2.

Davis hasn't played many 1st team games.  It would be a massive step up to ask him to be understudy in the PL.  Let's have a look at him playing somewhere for 12 months and review it then.  It hasn't done Abraham any harm has it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2019, 05:09:53 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go

Davis has a good chance of developing into a decent Prem player is younger and will offer far more than Kodjia next season if he doesn't go out anywhere on loan

reminds me of the Grealish debate a not so long ago, people just couldn't see what he did what he offered and would have got rid with the first decent bid,
just go back and read the Grealish thread its all there

i think Davis will be the same, not as good or as big an influencer as Jack but one that in seasons to come we will be very glad we kept

obviously its all about opinions of players on here, but mine is Davis > kodjia

I think most would agree with you John.  However, the question/point is that at this moment in time, what is best in order to enhance Davis's game?  He won't develop much sitting around as 3rd choice next season and would likely not make the bench for the majority of games.  If he were to go out on loan for a season and play regularly, we'd have a much better and more experienced player on our hands in 12 months time

I really don't understand how anyone can doubt Kodjia. I don't think we have a player in the squad with more self-confidence then Jimmy Danger. He is someone who never doubts himself; goes out there and ALWAYS spins defenders around, always looks to go forward and can score with his head and both feet. I don't know if he'll be the focal point for our upcoming campaign but in the Premier League we need a striker that going to be hard to shirk off the ball, we need a forward with some "swagger" and he's exactly that.

I think he'll be exactly what we need when there is 25 minutes left and we need a goal. Go watch his form into 2017. He was the first striker we had in a while that could actually trap a ball, have a defender on his hip and still get to goal.

I like KD, but I'm not convinced yet. He's still too raw for me. I really hope he can grow into his role and become a beast in a year or two, I'll be patient I promise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
If Davis is good enough, he'll benefit from a loan.  If (as speculated), we sign another striker, there is no way on this earth that Davis would be considered as number 2.

Davis hasn't played many 1st team games.  It would be a massive step up to ask him to be understudy in the PL.  Let's have a look at him playing somewhere for 12 months and review it then.  It hasn't done Abraham any harm has it?


you might be right

i am and have been for while a bit of a flag waver for Davis, i admit i think he's better a better player than most others on here
but i suppose we have to trust in Smiths judgement in the end
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 02, 2019, 05:13:04 PM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go

Davis has a good chance of developing into a decent Prem player is younger and will offer far more than Kodjia next season if he doesn't go out anywhere on loan

reminds me of the Grealish debate a not so long ago, people just couldn't see what he did what he offered and would have got rid with the first decent bid,
just go back and read the Grealish thread its all there

i think Davis will be the same, not as good or as big an influencer as Jack but one that in seasons to come we will be very glad we kept

obviously its all about opinions of players on here, but mine is Davis > kodjia

I think most would agree with you John.  However, the question/point is that at this moment in time, what is best in order to enhance Davis's game?  He won't develop much sitting around as 3rd choice next season and would likely not make the bench for the majority of games.  If he were to go out on loan for a season and play regularly, we'd have a much better and more experienced player on our hands in 12 months time

I really don't understand how anyone can doubt Kodjia. I don't think we have a player in the squad with more self-confidence then Jimmy Danger. He is someone who never doubts himself; goes out there and ALWAYS spins defenders around, always looks to go forward and can score with his head and both feet. I don't know if he'll be the focal point for our upcoming campaign but in the Premier League we need a striker that going to be hard to shirk off the ball, we need a forward with some "swagger" and he's exactly that.

I think he'll be exactly what we need when there is 25 minutes left and we need a goal. Go watch his form into 2017. He was the first striker we had in a while that could actually trap a ball, have a defender on his hip and still get to goal.

I like KD, but I'm not convinced yet. He's still too raw for me. I really hope he can grow into his role and become a beast in a year or two, I'll be patient I promise.


he's coming up 30 year old in Oct
so if hes still a bit raw he'd better get fast tracking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
KD = Keinan Davis.. 21 years old
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2019, 05:35:00 PM
apart from Jack have we had many other players who have benefited from going out on loan to develop and improve and coming back to form part of the first team ?


Off the top of my head I don't think our record is great in regards that.

We wouldn't have been promoted last season were it not for Jed Steer.

So him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 05:55:39 PM
My issue here is that Davis should've been out on loan 18 months ago when we signed Grabban to replace him in the matchday squad. If we can keep Kodjia happy being a bit part player then I'd be ok with KD on loan until Christmas and then go from there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 02, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
RHM out on loan to Tranmere - not the best level for his development. One striker down, surely we'll sign someone before the deadline? Calling Neal Maupay!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on August 02, 2019, 06:12:25 PM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on August 02, 2019, 06:27:03 PM
For loans, I think the players generally aren't being loaned out soon enough, imo they need to be going out to get a few games at whatever level when they're 18/19, and have been a first team regular for a couple of seasons - either at Villa or elsewhere - by the time they're maybe 22. Instead we've been giving them a first loan out at 21/22, so they will still look a bit inexperienced when they're 23/24.

For me, Davies would benefit from a loan now, provided he's playing regularly. Kodija - he might come good in the premier league, but so far "might" isn't enough for Deano. I'd try to flog him on the back of a decent ACON and replace him with someone who's less of a gamble.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 06:31:08 PM
For loans, I think the players generally aren't being loaned out soon enough, imo they need to be going out to get a few games at whatever level when they're 18/19, and have been a first team regular for a couple of seasons - either at Villa or elsewhere - by the time they're maybe 22. Instead we've been giving them a first loan out at 21/22, so they will still look a bit inexperienced when they're 23/24.

For me, Davies would benefit from a loan now, provided he's playing regularly. Kodija - he might come good in the premier league, but so far "might" isn't enough for Deano. I'd try to flog him on the back of a decent ACON and replace him with someone who's less of a gamble.

Exactly, you want a 21 year old to have player 50-100 senior games under their belt if you're using the loan system to develop them. Keeping them as cover (i.e. 4th or 5th choice in their position) does nothing to help them in the important 18-21 age range.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
Experience is why buying players from Scotland makes sense. Look at how many competitive games SJM had under his belt before joining
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
I think we should be shopping in Scotland more. There are some gems to be found.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 02, 2019, 08:30:45 PM
John McGinn has two brothers.  They could be turned over at a profit simply on their pedigree.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 02, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2019, 12:01:34 AM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2019, 02:53:25 AM
i hope we're not relying on Kodjia to much next season if i'm honest

Always thought he would be more of a wide player in the top flight and hope that the chance to perform in the top flight might bring the best out in him.  Can't see him featuring too much though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 03, 2019, 09:00:56 AM
I'll be glad when the window is shut because waiting for news on this mythical record breaking striker is making me slightly anxious.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 03, 2019, 09:12:43 AM
I'll be glad when the window is shut because waiting for news on this mythical record breaking striker is making me slightly anxious.

I think our last mythical striker was Helenus.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on August 03, 2019, 09:55:31 AM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.

Disagree too, he’s good enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 03, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.

Disagree too, he’s good enough.

He's a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
John McGinn has two brothers.  They could be turned over at a profit simply on their pedigree.

Does he have any attractive sisters?  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go


Harsh to say he was hardly cutting it in the championship when he was our top scorer a couple of season's back and Bristol city's before then. The injuries haven't helped but I thought he started looking sharp again during the run in last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 03, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
The thing with the striker is, are we going to play with 2 up front?  I'd say no.  So if another one comes in, either he or Wesley will be on the bench unless we are signing someone who can push out wide like Kodjia/Henry.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 03, 2019, 10:36:31 AM
Kodjia as 3rd choice and Davis out on loan playing a full season definetely for me.

Kodjia is different and unpredictable exactly what defenders hate, and if he's fit and motivated a real handful. If there was ever a time he is going to be motivated and give it his all its surely this season coming up.


not for me

he was hardly cutting it in the championship very frustrating to watch and certainly probably the least like a team player iv'e ever seen,
he needs to go


Harsh to say he was hardly cutting it in the championship when he was our top scorer a couple of season's back and Bristol city's before then. The injuries haven't helped but I thought he started looking sharp again during the run in last season.

Certainly not the same player that he was before his injury although this may be down to him not having a decent run in the side.  My biggest concern would be his inability to bring others into play.  That said, I'd be happy to give him a go as 3rd/4th choice and see how he does when he gets his chance.  As I touched on, I think he's the type of player who needs to be playing regularly which with the best will in the world will not happen here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
Davis needs to go out on loan to prove the argument one way or another. Hogan just needs to go, as quickly as possible. Bring someone else of quality in and Kodjia is number three, at least until January. If Davis is banging them in for fun, then bring him back then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on August 03, 2019, 10:47:16 AM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.

Disagree too, he’s good enough.

He's a very good player.

Beginning to read like a script from The Life of Brian.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on August 03, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.

Disagree too, he’s good enough.

He's a very good player.

Beginning to read like a script from The Life of Brian.
Agreed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 03, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
I hope we are setting our target higher than Maupay.
Agreed.

Disagreed.

Disagree too, he’s good enough.

He's a very good player.

Beginning to read like a script from The Life of Brian.
Agreed

Disagree
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
Maupay isn't in the Bees squad today so its pretty likely he's on the move. B6 bound?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2019, 02:09:58 PM
No Maupay or Benrahma in the Brentford team today vs the Noses. I predict both will be Villa players next week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 03, 2019, 02:22:14 PM
Davis is never going to be a prolific goal scorer.  That is not his game.  What he is is an outstandingly good hold up player.  There will be games in The Premiership when we need to claw back some possession to claw back a point or two.  That is when Keinan Davis will earn his wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2019, 03:18:35 PM
I think Maupay will go to Brighton.

Isn't Benrahma injured?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2019, 04:03:16 PM
Short(er) striker who's mobile and can play across the front, I guess there's no chance of getting Werner? He looks a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2019, 04:16:17 PM
Short(er) striker who's mobile and can play across the front, I guess there's no chance of getting Werner? He looks a very good player.

They've got some good players, the kind we'll be shopping for next summer I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2019, 04:17:20 PM
Short(er) striker who's mobile and can play across the front, I guess there's no chance of getting Werner? He looks a very good player.

They've got some good players, the kind we'll be shopping for next summer I think.

Agreed, Werner is the pick of the bunch but 3-4 others look good as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
We really do need another quality forward, Wes wasn't effective today and Kodjia offered nothing when he came on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 03, 2019, 05:56:05 PM
If we do sign Maupuy I reckon it will be mid September before he's properly up and running, given that he hasn't played in many of Brentford's friendlies and wasn't in the squad today.

He's missed several games so he won't be match fit for some time - and that's assuming his general physical condition is up to scratch.

This may also be true of some of other potential forwards lined up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
Palace interested in both Watkins and Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2019, 07:32:13 PM
Brentford losing at home to you know who will hopefully force things through? The Bees need to strengthen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 03, 2019, 11:32:20 PM
Bruce wants to sign Elmo apparently.

In other news, water is wet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2019, 11:57:26 PM
Bruce wants to sign Elmo apparently.

In other news, water is wet.

They're going to have to pay him big time. Despite being a loyal servant to Bruce, I'm sure he now knows the difference between a manager that enjoys a kebab every night on the way home and one that enjoys a pint after a hard working, productive week in the office.

I've not been a big fan of Elmo but he's been a different player since Dean arrived. He has my respect. Just the thought of the keeper hoofing the ball out to him and being expected to head it on further down the pitch surely can't be out of memory (unless it's done some serious brain damage).

Maybe next season.. in the Championship.. and one last pay-day. I really feel sorry for the Barcodes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2019, 12:24:53 AM
Bruce wants to sign Elmo apparently.

In other news, water is wet.

They're going to have to pay him big time. Despite being a loyal servant to Bruce, I'm sure he now knows the difference between a manager that enjoys a kebab every night on the way home and one that enjoys a pint after a hard working, productive week in the office.

I've not been a big fan of Elmo but he's been a different player since Dean arrived. He has my respect. Just the thought of the keeper hoofing the ball out to him and being expected to head it on further down the pitch surely can't be out of memory (unless it's done some serious brain damage).

Maybe next season.. in the Championship.. and one last pay-day. I really feel sorry for the Barcodes.

The only counter argument is that I doubt Elmo will be a regular starter next season, Guilbert looks a much better full back for how we play. Elmo would be very good as cover but if he's not happy with that then he might be tempted. That said I think he'd be more likely to go in January if that were the case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 04, 2019, 12:44:00 AM
Bruce wants to sign Elmo apparently.

In other news, water is wet.

They're going to have to pay him big time. Despite being a loyal servant to Bruce, I'm sure he now knows the difference between a manager that enjoys a kebab every night on the way home and one that enjoys a pint after a hard working, productive week in the office.

I've not been a big fan of Elmo but he's been a different player since Dean arrived. He has my respect. Just the thought of the keeper hoofing the ball out to him and being expected to head it on further down the pitch surely can't be out of memory (unless it's done some serious brain damage).

Maybe next season.. in the Championship.. and one last pay-day. I really feel sorry for the Barcodes.


I still can't quite believe that that was a tactic actually employed by the manager of the Aston Villa Football Club! I'd be surprised if we let him go, he's definitely the second best right back we have.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 04, 2019, 01:54:32 AM
I still can't quite believe that that was a tactic actually employed by the manager of the Aston Villa Football Club! I'd be surprised if we let him go, he's definitely the second best right back we have.

Bruce loved that 'tactic' when Hogan was the lone striker too, maybe he'd take him instead.

Well that's (Newcastle heading for) the Championship for you !
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 08:38:20 AM
I watched us play yesterday and I it seemed like the last three years were just a bad trip
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
I'd prefer us to hang on to Elmo, in part to help Trezeguet settle but also because he's been here a while and he's good enough for the division, he can cover all down the right hand side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2019, 08:57:55 AM
I'd prefer us to hang on to Elmo, in part to help Trezeguet settle but also because he's been here a while and he's good enough for the division, he can cover all down the right hand side.

And partly because we should fuck helping Bruce and Newcastle in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2019, 09:12:37 AM
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Transferts-neal-maupay-brentford-en-route-pour-brighton/1046084#xtor=RSS-1

Maupay off to Brighton it seems?
I hope we are looking at someone better anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
Brighton are amongst my favourites to go down.  I suspect Maupay wants to come to Villa though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 04, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
I hope we keep Elmo too. Part of the core of players who got us here and can do a job in the PL and therefore valuable to us on that basis. Guilbert hasn’t played a game in the PL yet so it’s not cut and dried that he’s going to be warming the bench.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on August 04, 2019, 09:50:21 AM
So what strikers do we currently have? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2019, 09:56:03 AM
So what strikers do we currently have? 

Wesley, Kodjia, Davis and Hogan.  All competing for one position in our current system.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 04, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
Out of those only Wesley is capable of holding that position the other three are not good enough I would keep Davis as he shows promise but the others I hope they go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 04, 2019, 10:20:35 AM
So what strikers do we currently have? 

Wesley, Kodjia, Davis and Hogan.  All competing for one position in our current system.

Of which I think it’s safe to say one definitely isn’t good enough, one might get there eventually but should go out on loan and two are relative unknown quantities (for different reasons).
I like the look of Wesley but I don’t think he will hit double figures this year (ex penalties), which could be a problem if the midfield goals dry up.
Kodjia I’d keep around but, again, hasn’t been the same since his injuries and needs a run of games, which he’s unlikely to get.
One more that can play wide if required is essential I’d say.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 04, 2019, 10:35:43 AM
I reckon Davis can do a job for us but he needs someone prolific up with him. If midfielders/wingers chip in enough goals he can lead the line. I like Kodjia for what he did first year we were down but I would like to see us get an upgrade on him before the window closes. Hogan can sod off, even if we don't sign anyone else. Would rather RHM got a go than him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 04, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
Missed him going out on loan! My comment re Hogan stands.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Baldy on August 04, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
I'm not sure we need another striker. Goals are coming from all over the pitch. We defend as a team and attack as a team.

One of the best teams I ever saw was Arsenal in the early 2000's, they hardly ever played with a striker but scored for fun. John Aldridge, a prolific striker at club level, didn't score in his first twenty games for the Republic of Ireland. Yet, he was considered one of the most important players for Ireland at a time when they had a relatively successful team.

Dean's football philosophy is going to be very interesting to watch in the coming months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
I definitely think we  do need another forward and Maupay could have played centrally for us and out wide, so a BOGOF type player if you like. i'm sure we will bring someone in if its possible to do so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 04, 2019, 11:13:10 AM
If Smith thought Maupay was the right striker for Villa he would have been here a while ago

I’ve seen he could be the back stop position but we all know how that never works
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 04, 2019, 11:17:34 AM
I think we still need another option as we don't know how long it'll take Wesley to settle in to English football. I'd keep Kodjia, though he's not top draw quality, he can play on either wing, i'd keep Davis too as his hold up play is strong. I'd do all I can to get Hogan out of the club as he isn't nowhere near good enough, even if we pay 2/3 of his wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 04, 2019, 11:32:36 AM
I'll be disappointed if Maupay goes elsewhere, I think he'll be very good in this league.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2019, 12:29:26 PM
We definitely need another striker.  To play with Hogan would be to play with 10 men. Davis doesn't score and Kodjia is too maverick. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
There is no doubt whatsoever that a new, very good striker is needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
I’ve never understood the non-goal scoring striker thing...putting the ball in the back of the net is this main job and hold up play/bringing others into the game is the other. If they can’t do both of those tasks then they aren’t good enough. This applies to the likes of Heskey, Rodriguez, Long...and unfortunately Davis. We need another striker otherwise we will struggle to score enough goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2019, 01:24:54 PM
There seems to a be sense of panic creeping in. I don’t get it. We have achieved more in this transfer window than ever before in our history. And with 5 days to go there is more than rumour out there that we are after or two more players. This manager and board has meticulously researched and addressed every obvious need. We are letting players go to fill these needs with superior talent. I have literally no doubt that by the end time the window closes we will have bought the players we need and moved on a few that won’t feature via loan or permanent. Have faith brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
We just need a striker. If we haven't got one by Thursday I will start to worry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 04, 2019, 04:07:26 PM
Benrahma incoming apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2019, 04:12:45 PM
Can he play centre-forward?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Incoming.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1161677/Brentford-transfer-news-Neal-Maupay-Said-Benrahma-Exclusive
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 04, 2019, 04:15:02 PM
All reports suggesting Benrahma is done. Great competition out wide now and real quality, bums off seats kinda players too.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 04:17:19 PM
#announcethetitle!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2019, 04:18:20 PM
Exciting for Brentford to have reached the top flight after all these years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 04, 2019, 04:19:13 PM
All reports suggesting Benrahma is done. Great competition out wide now and real quality, bums off seats kinda players too.



That's really saying something as we have the Fun Boy Three with Jack, SJM and Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 04:21:07 PM
Benrahma hasn't long been back in training so even if he does come in, he won't be featuring for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 04, 2019, 04:23:01 PM
Benrahma hasn't long been back in training so even if he does come in, he won't be featuring for a few weeks.
Not a problem, we're hardly struggling for options.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2019, 04:35:06 PM
Well, we are up front. That's the point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 04, 2019, 04:39:14 PM
I wonder if Batshuayi could be a possibility, it looks like he's the one available at Chelsea.

His goalscoring record is much better than I thought. Not that I've seen him play!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
I don’t know why we don’t just buy Maupay and loan him to Brighton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2019, 04:40:50 PM
Well if we’re getting another winger in Benrahma then we need another striker to get on the end of all the chances as cover/competition for Wes. I’d expect Hogan and one of Davis/Kodjia to be sold or loaned out this week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 04, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Well, we are up front. That's the point.
I was talking out wide seeing the post was about a wide player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2019, 04:46:20 PM
Fair enough, I did ask can he play up front? Assume not, in which case we still need a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 04, 2019, 04:50:41 PM
Fair enough, I did ask can he play up front? Assume not, in which case we still need a striker.
Nah he's a wide man, right sided I think. Let's be honest, have we been let down this summer...you'll get your wish for another ( striker ) before 5pm Thursday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2019, 04:58:03 PM
Fair enough, I did ask can he play up front? Assume not, in which case we still need a striker.
Nah he's a wide man, right sided I think. Let's be honest, have we been let down this summer...you'll get your wish for another ( striker ) before 5pm Thursday.

Agreed. No need to be concerned. You just know we are looking for another forward and it will be a good one. Wesley is a great addition and he suits us trying to get midfielders into the game. His hold up play is exceptional. But to play that way all the time would become very predictable so we need something a bit different. I have no doubt we have someone lined up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 05:04:11 PM
AV Transfers reckons a medical is booked for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on August 04, 2019, 05:18:50 PM
What a time to be a Villa fan. This summer has been mental.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
I've been watching a lot of those EFL goals programmes on Sky through the summer, just to watch the Villa goals back.  I kept and eye on Benrahma.  I have to say, he's is involved in everything positive that seems to happen with Brentford goals.  He really looks a very good player and every bit as good, if not better than Anwar.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 04, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
Why kind of person (other than a child) would bother wasting their time editing wikipedia pages of players we are linked with?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
Why kind of person (other than a child) would bother wasting their time editing wikipedia pages of players we are linked with?

I wonder that most of the time about anyone who finds time to update Wikipedia in general. Especially a lot of the mindless stuff.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2019, 06:54:29 PM
Why kind of person (other than a child) would bother wasting their time editing wikipedia pages of players we are linked with?

Well stick it up yer arse then! I dunno you try and help and then look at that!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 04, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
I've been watching a lot of those EFL goals programmes on Sky through the summer, just to watch the Villa goals back.  I kept and eye on Benrahma.  I have to say, he's is involved in everything positive that seems to happen with Brentford goals.  He really looks a very good player and every bit as good, if not better than Anwar.
I’ve been looking at his overall play and he made a lot of goals for maupay. I think he could be a striker no problem - can beat a man and has a good shot on him. I’m sure if he was played further forward he’d be great. He knows where the strikers are as he passes to them enough, it would just be a case of receiving the ball 15 yards further up. That said I reckon we’re in for an impressive striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2019, 07:01:58 PM
Batshiuyi or however you spell it would be a phenomenal signing for us IMO. With the options we have out wide, he would be brilliant in our team, watched him for Palace last season and he transformed them into a threatening attacking unit. If he is available, and we have the money, him and Benrahma would be an incredible way to finish off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2019, 07:05:46 PM
Batshiuyi or however you spell it would be a phenomenal signing for us IMO. With the options we have out wide, he would be brilliant in our team, watched him for Palace last season and he transformed them into a threatening attacking unit. If he is available, and we have the money, him and Benrahma would be an incredible way to finish off.

He fits our profile too in terms of age and quality, and to sell on.  Would be a very good signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 04, 2019, 07:07:46 PM
Why kind of person (other than a child) would bother wasting their time editing wikipedia pages of players we are linked with?

Well stick it up yer arse then! I dunno you try and help and then look at that!
I wondered who had changed it to say that Weller played for villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2019, 07:16:57 PM
Batshiuyi or however you spell it would be a phenomenal signing for us IMO. With the options we have out wide, he would be brilliant in our team, watched him for Palace last season and he transformed them into a threatening attacking unit. If he is available, and we have the money, him and Benrahma would be an incredible way to finish off.

He fits our profile too in terms of age and quality, and to sell on.  Would be a very good signing.

Given their transfer ban, I'd be very surprised if they sold him to us leaving only Giroud and Abraham as their strikers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2019, 07:29:21 PM
Why kind of person (other than a child) would bother wasting their time editing wikipedia pages of players we are linked with?

Well stick it up yer arse then! I dunno you try and help and then look at that!
I wondered who had changed it to say that Weller played for villa.

Damn!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
Me too Dave. I am surprised Chelsea are not starting him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 04, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
What a time to be a Villa fan. This summer has been mental.
It certainly is, but it’s strange how there is no journo splashing strikers names with us for our end of window, top of the bill signing.
Who will it be ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2019, 10:23:40 PM
Maupay and Benrahma both look like bloody good players to me, rumours suggesting we could be getting Benrahma but Maupay going to Brighton. I would suggest Maupay would be an upgrade on Hogan so not altogether what we need. Benrahma on the other hand looks like he could be in the same sort of style of El Ghazi but a bit more likely to dribble past an opponent, a wide player who also knows how to finish. With Green and Hepburn Murphy on loan, he would give us a fourth option out wide with El Ghazi, Jota and Trezeguet so I'd love to see that one happen. I think it's more important than another centre forward, we have four for one position but if we did sell Hogan and loan out Davis to buy another similar option to Wesley who can hold the ball up and bring others into play i think it would be the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 04, 2019, 11:31:09 PM
PICTURES: Marvelous Nakamba Makes Aston Villa Debut

Marvelous Nakamba made his debut for new club Aston Villa on Sunday afternoon in a preseason friendly against German side RB Leipzig.

https://news.pindula.co.zw/2019/08/05/pictures-marvelous-nakamba-makes-aston-villa-debut/

It looks like we played Leipzig twice as these pictures are from Sunday....does this means that marvelous will start against Spurs?

Trezeguet also played
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 04, 2019, 11:35:03 PM
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.@BrentfordFC manager Thomas Frank looks set to lose 2 players with @nealmaupay18 set to join @OfficialBHAFC & reports Said Benrahma is set to join @AVFCOfficial

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2019, 11:57:33 PM
I'm guessing Benrahma and the striker then. How good is Benrahma?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2019, 12:01:54 AM
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 05, 2019, 12:10:03 AM
Tricky little player isn't he. Get him signed  8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2019, 12:25:51 AM
Maupay and Benrahma both look like bloody good players to me, rumours suggesting we could be getting Benrahma but Maupay going to Brighton. I would suggest Maupay would be an upgrade on Hogan so not altogether what we need. Benrahma on the other hand looks like he could be in the same sort of style of El Ghazi but a bit more likely to dribble past an opponent, a wide player who also knows how to finish. With Green and Hepburn Murphy on loan, he would give us a fourth option out wide with El Ghazi, Jota and Trezeguet so I'd love to see that one happen. I think it's more important than another centre forward, we have four for one position but if we did sell Hogan and loan out Davis to buy another similar option to Wesley who can hold the ball up and bring others into play i think it would be the icing on the cake.

Have to disagree slightly, as I feel another striker would take priority at this point.  Wesley is untried in the top flight and Hogan, Kodjia and Davis are not really adequate back up.  Kodjia could always shift out wide if needed and we have 3 seemingly decent options already in that area. 

Ideally we'll get a wide player and a striker, but I would prioritise the latter over the former. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
I am not questioning the approach of Deano and Suso but I must say that I am not massively excited by the possibility of signing Benrahma.
I was hoping that any more players coming in would be already proven at top level, rather another player who we hope can make the step up.

But, I am sure the club know exactly what they are doing and we have to believe and trust in them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 05, 2019, 07:32:53 AM


Looks quite two-footed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
Looks quality. Dean Smith must love wingers as much as CD does.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stevo_st on August 05, 2019, 08:07:34 AM
I am not questioning the approach of Deano and Suso but I must say that I am not massively excited by the possibility of signing Benrahma.
I was hoping that any more players coming in would be already proven at top level, rather another player who we hope can make the step up.

But, I am sure the club know exactly what they are doing and we have to believe and trust in them.

My guess is that will be the next phase, once we’ve worked out which of the signings made the step up, and where we need to balance the side
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2019, 08:10:26 AM
I am not questioning the approach of Deano and Suso but I must say that I am not massively excited by the possibility of signing Benrahma.
I was hoping that any more players coming in would be already proven at top level, rather another player who we hope can make the step up.

But, I am sure the club know exactly what they are doing and we have to believe and trust in them.

he was first on my list to sign at the beginning of the transfer window.  He will be a great signing.  Reminds me of hazard and has so much potential. give me him over Maupay any day.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2019, 08:58:19 AM
this is just a rumour though and i won't give it much credence until Percy corroborates it - and I have a feeling Maupay might still come to us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 05, 2019, 09:17:20 AM
It would be very good signing if we got Benrahma fingers crossed we sign him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
this is just a rumour though and i won't give it much credence until Percy corroborates it - and I have a feeling Maupay might still come to us.

As well as Benrahma or instead of him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john2710 on August 05, 2019, 09:55:55 AM
I think if we'd wanted Maupay, he'd be here by now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 05, 2019, 09:58:48 AM
If we sign Benrahma and not another striker aswell, we will have 4 quality attacking midfielders fighting over 2 spots.

If thats the case I can only think it's in Smith's mind to play a false no.9 system for some matches, basically 3 attacking midfielders with one centrally like Barcelona or Chelsea do on occasions.

Thats why he's not too concerned about having a quality cover for Wesley maybe because if he's out or misfiring he will switch system knowing there are 4 quality attacking midfielders he can rotate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2019, 10:02:02 AM
Given a choice between the 2 Benrahma is, in my opinion, a far better player than Maupay, I kinda want the latter to join someone just so he doesn't get mentioned on this thread anymore.

I'm confident we'll get another striker, I have no idea who though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2019, 11:26:43 AM
a medical booked for 4pm today according to twitterati
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2019, 11:54:10 AM
For whom?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 05, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
For whom?

The individual concerned is never divulged in these tweets Brian.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on August 05, 2019, 12:11:31 PM
Track record of that tweet being correct??
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
he called the last two right. A guy on VT is convinced that Benrahma is done and that we are in advanced talks with Belotti
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2019, 12:47:03 PM
The Phillips rumours don't seem to be going away, but i can't see that one surely? Unless perhaps Thor and Lansbury are both off?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on August 05, 2019, 12:49:51 PM
Fingers crossed then!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
Benrahma, Belotti and Phillips would do for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 05, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
Belotti is very good on pro evolution. Do we need Phillips now? As for Benrahma, he'd be superb.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 05, 2019, 01:03:01 PM
Watched Leeds yesterday and thought Phillips was superb. Having said that, we are well covered in the DM position now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2019, 01:12:11 PM
I think Smith wants 2 players per position though and we've only got 5 central midfielders that are definitely in Smith's plans so there's room for one more if we can get Phillips.

That said, he may be quite content to have Lansbury as the 6th midfielder and let BB go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 05, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Is belotti really likely? Unless I'm missing something the stories I see online are of West ham failing with something like a 55m bid and we're surely very unlikely to be paying that much.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa_cads on August 05, 2019, 01:30:55 PM
Is belotti really likely? Unless I'm missing something the stories I see online are of West ham failing with something like a 55m bid and we're surely very unlikely to be paying that much.

Season long with option to buy? I recall that was the done thing amongst Europe's Elite not so long ago as an FFP workaround.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2019, 01:40:51 PM
We're being really greedy this summer, I feel like a kid ready to puke up in the car having spent all day at a friend's birthday party gorging on sweets. Please make it stop.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
We're being really greedy this summer, I feel like a kid ready to puke up in the car having spent all day at a friend's birthday party gorging on sweets. Please make it stop.

MORE CAKE.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 05, 2019, 02:05:01 PM
Maguire    80m
Ake          75m       (quoted)
Tarkowski   40m.     (quoted)
Dunk         45m.      (quoted)

anyone still think we overpaid for Mings ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 05, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
Brentford are just after confirming the signing of a winger. Presumably that allows a deal for Benrahma to be completed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2019, 02:32:29 PM
Belotti seems very unlikely but the guy on VT who seems sure we have an interest, was the first to call that Smith was our new manager. Just saying, like.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 05, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
Belotti doesn't fit with the low centre of gravity thing that was being mentioned. However I would welcome this signing. Let's hope its true.

What a summer it's been.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2019, 02:56:31 PM
Maguire    80m
Ake          75m       (quoted)
Tarkowski   40m.     (quoted)
Dunk         45m.      (quoted)

anyone still think we overpaid for Mings ?

Wolves fans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2019, 02:57:08 PM
Belotti doesn't fit with the low centre of gravity thing that was being mentioned. However I would welcome this signing. Let's hope its true.

What a summer it's been.

He's not huge though - he's under 6ft
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
So is the Belotti thing likely, do we think?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
Watched a few videos of Belotti now and he's a great finisher, that's undeniable, but I'm not sure how you play him with any of of other summer signings, he appears to be an old fashioned 9, and his wanky goal celebration puts me off.


For the first reason I suspect this one is unlikely for the latter I'm not as upset about that as I could've been.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 05, 2019, 04:07:55 PM
There's not even a sniff of interest in Belotti anywhere online. If he were to sign, him + Wes would be challenging for the main striker place - would an Italian international come to Villa to sit on the bench with no European competition?

I'll file this under wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 05, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Where's the update from VillaTransfers ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2019, 04:28:37 PM
Where's the update from VillaTransfers ?

Benrahma is having a medical this afternoon.  Actually, if twitter is to be believed, that medical commenced at 4pm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
There's not even a sniff of interest in Belotti anywhere online. If he were to sign, him + Wes would be challenging for the main striker place - would an Italian international come to Villa to sit on the bench with no European competition?

I'll file this under wishful thinking.

I'd file it under total bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2019, 04:43:32 PM
One thing is guaranteed about online speculation - get one guess right and everything you say for ever more will be believed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
It'll probably turn out to be Andy Carroll on a years contract.  If it was, I'd trust Dean, Richard O'Kelly and JT to bring the best out of him, once they got him off the injury table that is!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
Once they got him off something sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on August 05, 2019, 05:52:30 PM
Was it under John Gregory we had the Christian Vieri rumours?

Was he the last Italian linked with the club?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2019, 05:53:15 PM
Was it under John Gregory we had the Christian Vieri rumours?

Was he the last Italian linked with the club?

There were probably links to Gollini when we signed him. Carbone would have been after the Vieri links as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on August 05, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
Was it under John Gregory we had the Christian Vieri rumours?

Was he the last Italian linked with the club?

There were probably links to Gollini when we signed him.

It’s not going to be long before I’m taken out the back and put down like Old Yeller
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 05, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
Jean-Kevin Augustin the latest link apparently - us and Crystal Palace supposedly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: FatSam on August 05, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
Short(er) striker who's mobile and can play across the front, I guess there's no chance of getting Werner? He looks a very good player.

They've got some good players, the kind we'll be shopping for next summer I think.

Interestingly, Arsenal have today been linked by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/05/arsenal-target-dayot-upamecano-or-daniele-rugani-to-improve-defence) with Dayot Upamecano from RB Leipzig for around £70m. I thought he looked good, but you can really see the EPL and/ or CL premium that gets added to player values:

Arsenal have been informed that they must pay around £70m to sign Dayot Upamecano from RB Leipzig as they step up attempts to recruit defensive reinforcements before Thursday’s transfer deadline.

After completing the purchase of Nicolas Pépé from Lille last week for £72m, the France Under-21 international has been identified as the club’s preferred defensive target, although the Bundesliga side are understood to be reluctant to allow him to leave despite only having two years left on his contract. Reports in Germany have claimed that a €60m (£55m) offer was rejected by RB over the weekend, although it is believed that Arsenal have yet to submit an official bid for the 20-year-old central defender, who moved to Germany as a teenager in 2015 from Valenciennes having rejected an appraoch from Manchester United.


Considering they bought him for €2.2M as a 17 year old in 2015, I'd prefer we were doing that kind of business to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
Jean-Kevin Augustin.?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2019, 06:31:30 PM
Did he play in the friendly for Leipzig?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on August 05, 2019, 06:33:23 PM
Did he play in the friendly for Leipzig?

Yes, he looked very physically strong against Wesley and our other forwards.

Sorry, thought you meant Upamecano, not Augustin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2019, 06:35:04 PM
Dean said 'we are open, but it will all have to align'.  Sounds like we are waiting for a club to buy their player before our player might be available?  Good interview on the avfc website.  We are still a bit lights in areas and are open for business, says Dean.  Oooh, I do love a bit of last minute business, if not that twat shouting and pretending to be on his phone to Harry Redknapp!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
He didnt look that prolific last season
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 05, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
I don’t remember Jean-Kevin Augustin from the friendly at the weekend...he certainly didn’t make an impression from what I can remember. I’m not convinced there’s anything in this one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 05, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
Yeah, one in every three and a half games isn't exactly brilliant for a striker. Still, if the links are true then I'll trust the club's judgement on it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2019, 07:11:44 PM
Maupay confirmed at Brighton
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 05, 2019, 07:13:52 PM
Yep Maupay gone to Brighton for £20m-ish so that finally rules him out of our transfer rumours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
Bit sad about that. Ah well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
Did he play in the friendly for Leipzig?

Yes, he looked very physically strong against Wesley and our other forwards.

Sorry, thought you meant Upamecano, not Augustin.

My fault, I didn't read it all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
I've always said Maupay is a dirty bastard, glad he's gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2019, 07:32:19 PM
I've always said Maupay is a dirty bastard, glad he's gone elsewhere.

He's good at it, and goals scored is usually the major difference-maker at the bottom. I don't want Brighton to be totally fine, but I suspect they will be now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 05, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
Bit sad about that. Ah well.

If Dean and Purslow really wanted him he'd be here. Trust the process.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 05, 2019, 07:38:45 PM
Bit sad about that. Ah well.

Me too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 05, 2019, 07:42:27 PM
Bit sad about that. Ah well.

If Dean and Purslow really wanted him he'd be here. Trust the process.....

Yep, doubt we'd get beaten to a genuine target by Brighton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smoke on August 05, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
I prefer to think Maupey was our backup choice which is why its dragged on for so long. Hopefully we've got the green light on whoever was preferable to him so he's finally gone to Brighton
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 05, 2019, 07:51:19 PM
Given the links with Dean, I’m confident we would have got Maupay if we wanted him. I’m also confident that we are after a better player for that role.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 05, 2019, 07:57:13 PM
I don’t remember Jean-Kevin Augustin from the friendly at the weekend...he certainly didn’t make an impression from what I can remember. I’m not convinced there’s anything in this one.

Possibly because i don't think he even played
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2019, 08:07:40 PM
I don’t remember Jean-Kevin Augustin from the friendly at the weekend...he certainly didn’t make an impression from what I can remember. I’m not convinced there’s anything in this one.

Possibly because i don't think he even played

Did he play in the closed-door match the next day?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 05, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
Brighton won’t create half the scoring chances Maupay got at Brentford - but he might keep them up. I think we’ll get someone better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 05, 2019, 08:11:37 PM
I don’t remember Jean-Kevin Augustin from the friendly at the weekend...he certainly didn’t make an impression from what I can remember. I’m not convinced there’s anything in this one.

Possibly because i don't think he even played
Thought someone said he did play a few pages back so that would explain it then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on August 05, 2019, 08:15:39 PM
Terms agreed for Saïd Benrahma and he’ll be one of two in by Thursday according to a generally reliable on twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
Benrahma would be great.. his technical ability is fantastic. Its getting really crowded in the squad with all the skill in the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DB on August 05, 2019, 08:20:30 PM
Is a biggy coming in?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 05, 2019, 08:28:38 PM
I don’t remember Jean-Kevin Augustin from the friendly at the weekend...he certainly didn’t make an impression from what I can remember. I’m not convinced there’s anything in this one.

Possibly because i don't think he even played

Did he play in the closed-door match the next day?

Uri Geller said he played well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2019, 08:29:02 PM
The bloke AV Agent on Twitter who doesn’t get a lot wrong and is usually quite conservative when coming out with predictions/ITK is suggesting minimum of two signings including Benrahma. That the Leipzig lad is a target but not first choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on August 05, 2019, 08:30:13 PM
No names for the second one. Apparently we are interested in Augustin though but he isn’t our number one target.

My thinking would be that surely if we wanted to spend £20 million plus on another striker we’d have got Maupey but who knows. Crazy summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: charleeco7 on August 05, 2019, 08:31:27 PM
The bloke AV Agent on Twitter who doesn’t get a lot wrong and is usually quite conservative when coming out with predictions/ITK is suggesting minimum of two signings including Benrahma. That the Leipzig lad is a target but not first choice.

That’s the fellow. Not sure I’ve seen him stick his neck out and get it wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2019, 08:37:09 PM
AV Transfers guy has tweeted that the medical today was successful. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Augustin is a very similar type of player to that Berardi that we were linked to the other day - i.e. someone I’ve never heard of and know nothing about.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2019, 08:59:23 PM
AV Transfers guy has tweeted that the medical today was successful. Make of that what you will.

He’s got a bunch of stuff wrong in the past. But it seems this one is going to happen. Still wait for Percy to say it be so before it be so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2019, 09:01:02 PM
I am so glad we have done the vast majority of our business already. It will be great to get some final pieces now but this was so well planned out by the club the moment the playoff final ended.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on August 05, 2019, 09:09:22 PM
Is a biggy coming in?

Biggy smalls?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2019, 09:10:47 PM
Ronnie Biggs
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 05, 2019, 09:11:16 PM
Augustin is a very similar type of player to that Berardi that we were linked to the other day - i.e. someone I’ve never heard of and know nothing about.

Did he play against us on Saturday? I don’t recall him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 05, 2019, 09:33:43 PM
Is a biggy coming in?

Biggy smalls?

Sounds Juicy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2019, 10:39:35 PM
I'd never heard of this Augustin fella but if he's the backup option then I'm pretty happy. His goal stats aren't that great but he's still young and looking at the videos of him he looks like a great prospect.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 05, 2019, 10:42:40 PM
Surprised we let Maupay join Brighton? A no brainer for me that he should have been signed. I hope we get a proven goalscorer by Thursday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
I'd never heard of this Augustin fella but if he's the backup option then I'm pretty happy. His goal stats aren't that great but he's still young and looking at the videos of him he looks like a great prospect.

Just had a look. The man has moves!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 05, 2019, 11:08:55 PM
Surprised we let Maupay join Brighton? A no brainer for me that he should have been signed. I hope we get a proven goalscorer by Thursday.

Agree. Wouldn't be delighted to go into the season with no backup/alternative for Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2019, 11:11:10 PM
Surprised we let Maupay join Brighton? A no brainer for me that he should have been signed. I hope we get a proven goalscorer by Thursday.

Well, he wasn't our player so maybe we had no say in it? Obviously we are a bigger club, but players have chosen not to sign for us before. Better chance of starting or not having to move house might have swayed him, for instance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2019, 11:11:19 PM
Just under a year ago Maupay was public enemy number 1 on this site, with some saying his, and Brentford's, behaviour should rule Smith out of ever being Villa manager.

As a famous philosopher once said, it's a funny old game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2019, 11:12:42 PM
I vaguely remember Brentford being cheating bastards. Don't particularly remember Maupay's involvement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
I vaguely remember Brentford being cheating bastards. Don't particularly remember Maupay's involvement.

Stamped on SJM iirc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 05, 2019, 11:13:21 PM
Where's the Benrahma thread disappeared to?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
I vaguely remember Brentford being cheating bastards. Don't particularly remember Maupay's involvement.

Didn't he stamp on one of our players at VP?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2019, 11:14:34 PM
I vaguely remember Brentford being cheating bastards. Don't particularly remember Maupay's involvement.

Stamped on SJM iirc.

Have forgotten that. I'm sure I was apoplectic at the time knowing me!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2019, 11:14:41 PM
I deleted it as the source was from a fake account.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2019, 11:14:50 PM
I vaguely remember Brentford being cheating bastards. Don't particularly remember Maupay's involvement.

Stamped on SJM iirc.

Copycat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 05, 2019, 11:19:31 PM
I’m glad Maupay ended up in the prem be interesting to see how he gets on

I’m not bothered we didn’t move for him in the end
the list of players that have scored 20 goals or more in the championship is endless
McCormack, Gestede, Sharp, Hogan, obviously Abraham I’m sure a bucket load more but it doesn’t make them proven  goalscorers for the premier league

some will make it most won’t,
we’ll see if we missed out on Maupay soon enough

I suppose any one we buy will be a unknown quantity if they haven’t played in the top league
but I don’t place much regard on players who have a good season or two in the championship

 I honestly think it’s a poor quality league that’s why we had to have a massive clear out of players and bring in a dozen or so new ones just to compete there
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: b23 on August 06, 2019, 12:09:36 AM
Baptiste Santamaria and/or Kalvin Phillilps.

Plus a striker.

Please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2019, 12:59:03 AM
Another DM?! Surely Luiz work permit is a matter of time given we did the big announcement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 04:17:14 AM
Belotti would be awesome as he offers a different threat to Wesley and could team up well with him when needed.  He’s going to cost £60m + though, so not sure this will happen.

Phillips I can’t see happening either as our need doesn’t justify what Leeds want and the club have shown this season we won’t just pay what other clubs demand automatically.  Plus if you’re going to stick another £20-30m down and still need a striker, wouldn’t it make sense just to add that money to the striker kitty?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2019, 07:06:35 AM
Surprised we let Maupay join Brighton? A no brainer for me that he should have been signed. I hope we get a proven goalscorer by Thursday.

It's possible Smith didn't want him in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 06, 2019, 07:18:06 AM
Surprised we let Maupay join Brighton? A no brainer for me that he should have been signed. I hope we get a proven goalscorer by Thursday.

It's possible Smith didn't want him in the first place.

Think it's more likely we wanted him but weren't willing to spend another 20m on a backup striker. The coffers aren't bottomless.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 08:52:27 AM
As others have said though, if we'd wanted him, we would have bought him earlier in the window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 06, 2019, 09:06:16 AM
As others have said though, if we'd wanted him, we would have bought him earlier in the window.

Agree 110%
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
Personally, i'd say Maupay would have been looking to be first choice so that's why he wouldn't have come here even if we were in for him (which i suspect we would have been). Looking at us playing with one central striker and already having Wesley here and maybe even to a small extent Kodjia (who prior to his injury was arguably as good as Maupay looks), he would have expected a lot of bench time. The sensible option for me at this point would be the kid from Leipzig, a similar option to Wesley that could be a better back up option than Davis, considering Davis's injury record and the difference in experience level. You wouldn't expect him to be throwing a big strop if he's sitting on the bench for the first season or so. Still hope that we get Benrahma though, i think having 4 players for two positions on the wing is important, i actually think the wings were our weakest position last season so would like to think that we'll have good option there all season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
Rooney?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on August 06, 2019, 09:46:43 AM
Rooney?

should this have been posted in the Jokes thread?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
Personally, i'd say Maupay would have been looking to be first choice so that's why he wouldn't have come here even if we were in for him (which i suspect we would have been). Looking at us playing with one central striker and already having Wesley here and maybe even to a small extent Kodjia (who prior to his injury was arguably as good as Maupay looks), he would have expected a lot of bench time. The sensible option for me at this point would be the kid from Leipzig, a similar option to Wesley that could be a better back up option than Davis, considering Davis's injury record and the difference in experience level. You wouldn't expect him to be throwing a big strop if he's sitting on the bench for the first season or so. Still hope that we get Benrahma though, i think having 4 players for two positions on the wing is important, i actually think the wings were our weakest position last season so would like to think that we'll have good option there all season.

I agree with the need for four wingers, especially as both Trezeguet and Jota could play more central attacking roles if we have Grealish or McGinn out at some point.  I don't think we should get a like for like backup for Wesley, I think we need someone who's more an out and out goalscorer who can give us something different when Wesley isn't working or who can play alongside him in partnership when we are chasing a goal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2019, 10:13:08 AM
Yeah, a plan B would be good, and certainly quite alien to us after the managers we've had over the past decade or so. I did have Kodjia down as the man coming off the bench to grab a goal though, i still like him and think he could do it although i'll admit that i might be being optimistic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 06, 2019, 10:34:58 AM
With Wesley being more of a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others in, a fast, direct striker would be a good option which would keep other teams back a little based on the counter attack. A bit like Gabby only better. From what I've seen this Leipzig guy Augustin would fit that but he also seems to be good at turning defenders receiving the ball with back to goal. Since he'll be on the bench a bit looks a reasonable option.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 06, 2019, 10:39:14 AM
Rooney?

Liverpool should be in for Rooney (according to Dean Saunders on Talk shite this morning).

I loved Deano as a player but bloody hell he spouts some bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2019, 11:00:48 AM
I wouldn't mind Rooney as long as the wages aren't excessive.

There, i said it :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 11:08:14 AM
With Wesley being more of a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others in, a fast, direct striker would be a good option which would keep other teams back a little based on the counter attack. A bit like Gabby only better.

I agree.  The thing a lot of people didn't grasp about Gabby was that when he was on the pitch the opposition had to cover him.  Even when he wasn't scoring a lot of goals, his pace and potential ability meant they had to treat him as if at any moment he could be dangerous, and that worked to our advantage.  Not as much as if he had been scoring the goals he should have, I admit.   ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Rooney?

Liverpool should be in for Rooney (according to Dean Saunders on Talk shite this morning).

I loved Deano as a player but bloody hell he spouts some bollocks.

It's a bit like seeing your parents drunk at a party, isn't it? I love the guy, but I cringe at some of the things he comes out with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2019, 12:02:22 PM
With Wesley being more of a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others in, a fast, direct striker would be a good option which would keep other teams back a little based on the counter attack. A bit like Gabby only better.

I agree.  The thing a lot of people didn't grasp about Gabby was that when he was on the pitch the opposition had to cover him.  Even when he wasn't scoring a lot of goals, his pace and potential ability meant they had to treat him as if at any moment he could be dangerous, and that worked to our advantage.  Not as much as if he had been scoring the goals he should have, I admit.   ;D

Gabby was actually pretty effective in the early days of Paul Lambert, as part of the front 3 with Benteke and Wiemann. He'd start on the left, with Benteke in the middle, but Benteke would often drift out-wide allowing Gabby space through the middle. It was about the only thing that Lambert did instigate well, but credit where credit's due to both him and Gabby.

The system's different now, but I fully expect us to play with 2 strikers at times, if we find ourselves behind during games. Whoever we bring-in needs to be able to play with Wesley as well as being an alternative to him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
With Wesley being more of a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others in, a fast, direct striker would be a good option which would keep other teams back a little based on the counter attack. A bit like Gabby only better.

I agree.  The thing a lot of people didn't grasp about Gabby was that when he was on the pitch the opposition had to cover him.  Even when he wasn't scoring a lot of goals, his pace and potential ability meant they had to treat him as if at any moment he could be dangerous, and that worked to our advantage.  Not as much as if he had been scoring the goals he should have, I admit.   ;D

Gabby was actually pretty effective in the early days of Paul Lambert, as part of the front 3 with Benteke and Wiemann. He'd start on the left, with Benteke in the middle, but Benteke would often drift out-wide allowing Gabby space through the middle. It was about the only thing that Lambert did instigate well, but credit where credit's due to both him and Gabby.

The system's different now, but I fully expect us to play with 2 strikers at times, if we find ourselves behind during games. Whoever we bring-in needs to be able to play with Wesley as well as being an alternative to him.

I think Trezeguet and Wesley could easily emulate that, the difference is that hopefully Trezeguet getting a couple of yards of space around the edge of the box is far more effective than Gabby was most of the time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
I get the feeling Benhrama has been allowed to do his medical and agree personal terms before a transfer fee has been agreed. Wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't go through until Thursday although there is talk of it being tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 01:28:23 PM
I actually think we are done with incoming players and if we are, who can really complain?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
Dean Smith's comments don't support that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 06, 2019, 01:32:10 PM
I actually think we are done with incoming players and if we are, who can really complain?

That would be massively surprising if we are done.

Deano will know that the striker options are still bare and we'll need at least 1 in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 01:33:18 PM
Rooney?

Having watched him in MLS, and yes off course it’s not the same standard, but as a back up for a year and mentor to Wes wouldn’t have been the worst thing at all. He’s still got terrific enthusiasm and ability. I think he will do really well for Derby.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
Dean Smith's comments don't support that.

Agreed. Still 2 I reckon. 1 for sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 06, 2019, 01:35:58 PM
I think we definitely want two, a winger and a striker.  But it seems certain that unless the deal and the player is right, they're not going to do it.  So it may not happen simply because it didn't fall into place and we are not desperate enough to snap anyone up for a silly fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2019, 01:37:15 PM
Rumour that if Newcastle go for Elmo, we will sign Tavernier from Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
Rooney?

Having watched him in MLS, and yes off course it’s not the same standard, but as a back up for a year and mentor to Wes wouldn’t have been the worst thing at all. He’s still got terrific enthusiasm and ability. I think he will do really well for Derby.
He has a few issues.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 06, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
if Rooney ends up at Derby he’ll still be the best player in the Championship
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2019, 02:27:43 PM
if Rooney ends up at Derby he’ll still be the best player in the Championship

Joining in January on an 18 month deal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
if Rooney ends up at Derby he’ll still be the best player in the Championship

I don't think he will. He has scored eleven goals this season, the top scorer has double that. If you assume that MLS is not far off Championship level, he would be very unlikely to be the best striker, let alone the best player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 03:32:22 PM
Mbaye Diagne?

Love Wikipedia

Mbaye Diagne (born 28 October 1997) is a Senegalese professional footballer who plays as a striker for imminent Premier League champions Aston Villa and the Senegal national team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
Mbaye Diagne?

Love Wikipedia

Mbaye Diagne (born 28 October 1997) is a Senegalese professional footballer who plays as a striker for imminent Premier League champions Aston Villa and the Senegal national team.
Whoever put his Youtube highlights together must hate him. Doesn't look the best.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 06, 2019, 03:39:02 PM
I’m not being greedy as mist that we have acquired was required to compete at this level but a worldy top class striker with statistics is what we need to finish off.
The links we have with people like Jean KEVIN from Leipzig just aren’t good enough on top of what we have in my opinion .
Need our top team to come up with the goods  to deliver top striker by 5pm Thursday please
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Mbaye Diagne?

Love Wikipedia

Mbaye Diagne (born 28 October 1997) is a Senegalese professional footballer who plays as a striker for imminent Premier League champions Aston Villa and the Senegal national team.
Whoever put his Youtube highlights together must hate him. Doesn't look the best.

His scoring record is phenomenal and he would have experience playing alongside Trezeguet. Thirty-two goals last season before transferring and ten in his first twelve games for Galatasaray. He'll do. Get him in, please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 03:53:14 PM
A good few reports coming out now about Mbaye Diagne. He's another unit, has a good scoring rate of 10 in 12 and 32 in 34 over the last 1 and a bit seasons. Noticed he played with Trezeguet in the same team during 18/19 so wonder if that's had any effect on Pitarch/ Smith.

Still, he doesn't look great technically from the few vids I just watched.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on August 06, 2019, 03:55:48 PM
He can look technically awful for all I care, if he bundles the ball into the net that many times.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2019, 04:03:34 PM
He's a proper BFU alright.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 04:20:50 PM
A good few reports coming out now about Mbaye Diagne. He's another unit, has a good scoring rate of 10 in 12 and 32 in 34 over the last 1 and a bit seasons. Noticed he played with Trezeguet in the same team during 18/19 so wonder if that's had any effect on Pitarch/ Smith.

Still, he doesn't look great technically from the few vids I just watched.

Anything reliable sounding?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
some Turkish media outlets reporting we are in negotiations - as for Benrahma, he trained with Brentford today, so that doesn't look likely to happen to  me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on August 06, 2019, 04:23:43 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.

Go easy Brian there are young people on here, my Turtle
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 06, 2019, 04:28:40 PM
Off the top of my head, it seems to be the big nasty bastard strikers who hit the ground running in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
A good few reports coming out now about Mbaye Diagne. He's another unit, has a good scoring rate of 10 in 12 and 32 in 34 over the last 1 and a bit seasons. Noticed he played with Trezeguet in the same team during 18/19 so wonder if that's had any effect on Pitarch/ Smith.

Still, he doesn't look great technically from the few vids I just watched.

Anything reliable sounding?
Mainly turkish journos. Villa offering €10 million, Galatasaray wanting €13 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
Ta. Apparently they paid £11.7 million for him so can't see us getting him for less than that when he's been doing well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 06, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
There seems to be stories about Diagnes attitude and that he’s a bit of a stroppy bugger.
Given that being ‘good people’  is a mandatory requirement at the club, having an attitude  doesn't seem to fit with what we are after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.
we never really replaced Meg Mortimer and Sandy Richardson in the midfield
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 04:59:34 PM
Ta. Apparently they paid £11.7 million for him so can't see us getting him for less than that when he's been doing well.
Do you think there's much in this though? I don't believe the link for the Leipzig forward was creditable so I'm not sure about this one. We have a big fella, quick and technically sound in Wes, I can't help feel this Mbaye bloke ticks all the Smiths/ Pitarch/ Purslow boxes.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
I've no idea, as usual!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 06, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
Never heard of him as usual but really doesn't look like what we're after - surely he'll play like Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 06, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.
we never really replaced Meg Mortimer and Sandy Richardson in the midfield


An older mate of mine once recalled chants of "your going home like Sandy Richardson" when an opposition player was down injured and needed treatment at Villa Park. Another mate of mine who was ten years younger who was part of the conversation innocently asked "Was Sandy Richardson someone who played for Villa"?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
Never heard of him as usual but really doesn't look like what we're after - surely he'll play like Wesley.

He's a lot more prolific! I've set my heart on him now, sorry. He's signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on August 06, 2019, 05:27:10 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.
we never really replaced Meg Mortimer and Sandy Richardson in the midfield


An older mate of mine once recalled chants of "your going home like Sandy Richardson" when an opposition player was down injured and needed treatment at Villa Park. Another mate of mine who was ten years younger who was part of the conversation innocently asked "Was Sandy Richardson someone who played for Villa"?
His career was at a crossroads and he chose another route
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2019, 05:27:55 PM
doesn't look like a Smith signing to me - for a start he's nearly 28 . Bit of a  psychodrama  too, according to twitterati.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 05:32:19 PM
The Trezeguet connection is interesting. It’s like Deano has not only targeted good players but players where he either has a pre existing relationship or those that he can bring in that have some form of relationship with others at the club. Outside of Freddie and those we signed after their loan spell;

Jota/Ezri - Brentford link - and Benrahma if that happens
Marvellous/Wes/Engels - Brugge
Trezeguet - Elmo

The only outliers really are Heaton, Targett and Douglas

I’m not saying that’s what might motivate him if this is rumour is true but there seems to be some weight given to quickly building on what might be an existing chemistry to help players settle in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 05:35:00 PM
The Trezeguet connection is interesting. It’s like Deano has not only targeted good players but players where he either has a pre existing relationship or those that he can bring in that have some form of relationship with others at the club. Outside of Freddie and those we signed after their loan spell;

Jota/Ezri - Brentford link - and Benrahma if that happens
Marvellous/Wes/Engels - Brugge
Trezeguet - Elmo

The only outliers really are Heaton, Targett and Douglas

I’m not saying that’s what might motivate him if this is rumour is true but there seems to be some weight given to quickly building on what might be an existing chemistry to help players settle in.
Heaton and Chester at Utd, Jack and Matt U21's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
The Trezeguet connection is interesting. It’s like Deano has not only targeted good players but players where he either has a pre existing relationship or those that he can bring in that have some form of relationship with others at the club. Outside of Freddie and those we signed after their loan spell;

Jota/Ezri - Brentford link - and Benrahma if that happens
Marvellous/Wes/Engels - Brugge
Trezeguet - Elmo

The only outliers really are Heaton, Targett and Douglas

I’m not saying that’s what might motivate him if this is rumour is true but there seems to be some weight given to quickly building on what might be an existing chemistry to help players settle in.
Heaton and Chester at Utd, Jack and Matt U21's.

Yep. Didn’t even look at that. I don’t know how well Heaton and Chester will have known each other given how long ago it wasn’t but possible. Targett and Jack seemed to know each other pretty well when he arrived.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2019, 05:41:17 PM
Be entirely appropriate for the club that was in the days of HDE compared to Crossroads to have a front man called Diagne.  Paired with Bennyrhama.
we never really replaced Meg Mortimer and Sandy Richardson in the midfield


An older mate of mine once recalled chants of "your going home like Sandy Richardson" when an opposition player was down injured and needed treatment at Villa Park. Another mate of mine who was ten years younger who was part of the conversation innocently asked "Was Sandy Richardson someone who played for Villa"?
His career was at a crossroads and he chose another route
No (Adam) Chance
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 06, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
He looks like he's wearing roller skates when he plays - nah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
Harry Wilson having medical at Bournemouth according to Sky Sports News.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2019, 06:03:02 PM
Harry Wilson having medical at Bournemouth according to Sky Sports News.....

What's with the dots, and what's it got to do with us?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on August 06, 2019, 06:44:24 PM
 Because he was linked?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2019, 07:39:31 PM
West Brom, Stoke and Bristol City interested in Scott Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2019, 07:45:52 PM
Good, let them outbid each other and drive up the price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 06, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
£3 it is then
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 06, 2019, 07:50:24 PM
Maupays given an interview about Brighton and doesn’t mention any interest at all from us
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 06, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
Just watched a Diagne highlights video - has to be the worst I’ve ever seen! Full of scuffed shots, missed passes, over dribbling. But then his stats speak for themselves. Which I guess just proves those videos show you nothing at all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 08:38:19 PM
Yeah, stick your YouTube videos. Bloke knows where the goal is!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
A showing of a little bit of skill wouldn’t go amiss though, he looks like he couldn’t trap a bag of the proverbial and has the movement of another proverbial
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on August 06, 2019, 08:56:13 PM
Maupays given an interview about Brighton and doesn’t mention any interest at all from us

Why on earth would he?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 09:01:09 PM
Because he was linked?

Correct.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2019, 09:09:55 PM
Dean said something about things 'aligning'.  I wonder if the Benrahma transfer is linked to swaps or other outgoing transfers being done?  John Percy called it last night and he's not wrong too often.  Benrahma belongs to Brentford, so why wouldn't he train with them?  Tshibola, Hogan, Kalinic and BB perhaps tied up somewhere because Villa have a squad of around 30 first team squad players at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2019, 09:17:29 PM
Various local journos reporting that Hogan is off to Stoke on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
Good news if true. We need to shift a few more out on loan or preferably sell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 06, 2019, 09:24:04 PM
Dean said something about things 'aligning'.  I wonder if the Benrahma transfer is linked to swaps or other outgoing transfers being done?  John Percy called it last night and he's not wrong too often.  Benrahma belongs to Brentford, so why wouldn't he train with them?  Tshibola, Hogan, Kalinic and BB perhaps tied up somewhere because Villa have a squad of around 30 first team squad players at the moment.

That was a fake account pretending to be percy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2019, 09:27:28 PM
Just concerns me that RHM & now Hogan likely to go on loan and no replacements? Forward options are low on numbers. Surely a striker is coming in?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on August 06, 2019, 09:33:01 PM
Dean said something about things 'aligning'.  I wonder if the Benrahma transfer is linked to swaps or other outgoing transfers being done?  John Percy called it last night and he's not wrong too often.  Benrahma belongs to Brentford, so why wouldn't he train with them?  Tshibola, Hogan, Kalinic and BB perhaps tied up somewhere because Villa have a squad of around 30 first team squad players at the moment.
I was thinking that, maybe the transfer relies on us getting someones wages off the books.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2019, 09:36:21 PM
We should all know how this transfer deadline stuff works by now...there’s 2 days to go and a lot of business to be done by a lot of clubs so I suspect our final piece(s) of the jigsaw are work in progress and may be reliant on other teams transfers happening. This would be consistent with Deans comment about things aligning.

edit: ...and yes, could also involve some of our surplus players being sold, loaned or as part of the deals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 06, 2019, 10:07:14 PM
No matter that Mbaye is 28, his scoring stats should make him an exception to our policy of recruitment.
103 goals in 166 appearances....get him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 10:10:25 PM
Various local journos reporting that Hogan is off to Stoke on loan.

Was hoping it would be a permanent deal but at least it's one off the books. Hopefully that means we have another striker incoming, and if Hogan wants to score the goals to keep Leeds/send Small Heath down... all the better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2019, 10:35:36 PM
Regarding Diagne....does anyone watch any Turkish league football? You hear about Galatasaray, Fenerbahce & Besiktas but is it like Scotland where every other team is poor or is it competitive where you have to earn goals?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Kind of hoping Benrahma still signs for us, he sounds really good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 10:37:21 PM
There's at least four good teams now. Istanbulspor are an Erdogan vanity project.

I don't know how good the clubs from outside Istanbul are, mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
Not much between Galatasaray, Instanbulspor, Besiktas and our old friends Trabzonspor last season. Fenerbahce a very distant 6th place.

Worryingly Trezeguet's bunch finished 14th out of 18.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2019, 10:46:30 PM
Kind of hoping Benrahma still signs for us, he sounds really good.

Same. What sound does a footballer make?  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 10:47:23 PM
Kind of hoping Benrahma still signs for us, he sounds really good.

Same. What sound does a footballer make?  ;)

Ker-ching.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2019, 10:50:13 PM
Not much between Galatasaray, Instanbulspor, Besiktas and our old friends Trabzonspor last season. Fenerbahce a very distant 6th place.

Worryingly Trezeguet's bunch finished 14th out of 18.

but they were right up near the top of the league until Galatasaray signed Diagne from them in January, and then they fell apart.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2019, 10:53:41 PM
Also worth noting that they play at the Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Stadium, so have experience playing at a venue named after a brutal dictator. This should help them perform well in front of the Doug Ellis Stand.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Also worth noting that they play at the Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Stadium, so have experience playing at a venue named after a brutal dictator. This should help them perform well in front of the Doug Ellis Stand.

That's a very Radio 4 joke (as long as you raise the inflection so that it reaches its highest point at 'dictator', and then descends so that the lowest note at 'Ellis Stand' (CF, a Stewart Lee  TV bit from ages ago). I like Radio 4 jokes so I don't want to fight you on a tube.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2019, 11:58:36 PM
Deadly is not really in the same league as Erdogan as a brutal tyrant.  You are 90 degrees amiss in your choice of stand.  Sir Robert Holte split his cook from scalp to neck with his sword for being late with his dinner.  He really was a bastard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2019, 12:03:52 AM
Apparently no serious interest in Diagne
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on August 07, 2019, 12:04:51 AM
cutting!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2019, 12:14:33 AM
Benrahma is the one I really hope we get before the deadline. Wide players are going to be vital this season.

After that if we get a striker great, if not then Kodjia, Davis and Big Wes it is until Jan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2019, 12:14:50 AM
Deadly is not really in the same league as Erdogan as a brutal tyrant.  You are 90 degrees amiss in your choice of stand.  Sir Robert Holte split his cook from scalp to neck with his sword for being late with his dinner.  He really was a bastard.

Thomas, and he was never convicted. He was found not guilty and asked not to do it again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 06:46:55 AM
One can only wonder what his reaction would be to leaving his seat in the Holte End five minutes before half time and still finding they’ve run out of chicken balti pies before he’s even within touching distance of the counter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on August 07, 2019, 07:04:49 AM
Deadly is not really in the same league as Erdogan as a brutal tyrant.  You are 90 degrees amiss in your choice of stand.  Sir Robert Holte split his cook from scalp to neck with his sword for being late with his dinner.  He really was a bastard.

He'd be furious to know it takes best part of half an hour to get a burger in there these days.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: itbrvilla on August 07, 2019, 07:12:53 AM
Deadly is not really in the same league as Erdogan as a brutal tyrant.  You are 90 degrees amiss in your choice of stand.  Sir Robert Holte split his cook from scalp to neck with his sword for being late with his dinner.  He really was a bastard.
I misread that as 'split his cock...'! Not sure which is worse...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2019, 07:21:31 AM
Benrahma is the one I really hope we get before the deadline. Wide players are going to be vital this season.

After that if we get a striker great, if not then Kodjia, Davis and Big Wes it is until Jan.

I agree and it wouldn't surprise if that is what happens now. I'd be happy with that considering what we've managed to get done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 07, 2019, 07:27:31 AM
Why was it when we were in the Championship and we signed a Premier League side player on loan we paid all his wages (Bolaise?) and yet with Hogan potentially going to Stoke on loan we are still paying most of his wages??.

Also with regards to our Midfield we will need better than Hourihane, watched him in Leipzieg on Saturday and he gave the ball away a fair few times, for me he does not have the athleticism to play the defensive midfield role or the ability to receive the ball in tight situations and not give the ball away when under pressure.

The other issue with regards to all our new signings, how long before 1 or 2 of them start to moan about not being in the team, I would imagine the likes of Luiz have been given a guarantee of starting games (he may not have got a work permit without those guarantee's), in January we may have a few wanting away.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2019, 07:36:36 AM
Also with regards to our Midfield we will need better than Hourihane, watched him in Leipzieg on Saturday and he gave the ball away a fair few times

Presumably you also watched him score two of our three goals?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 07, 2019, 08:22:08 AM
i did watch him score 2 goals (1 was a free kick), it will be interesting to see how he does?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mike on August 07, 2019, 08:22:40 AM
I think Conor is like most of our signings, a good Championship player who will hopefully make it in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 07, 2019, 08:47:37 AM
You didn't watch too closely because both were free kicks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 07, 2019, 09:00:05 AM
Benrahma is the one I really hope we get before the deadline. Wide players are going to be vital this season.

After that if we get a striker great, if not then Kodjia, Davis and Big Wes it is until Jan.

I agree and it wouldn't surprise if that is what happens now. I'd be happy with that considering what we've managed to get done.

I disagree because prices plays inflated and less choice in January. But the main reason is to get someone in now to get the points on the board
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 07, 2019, 09:01:28 AM
Maybe with all the strikers being signed by other clubs there will be a chance of someone from Arsenal, Everton, Spurs etc who falls down the pecking order which we are waiting for? I have no basis for this opinion other than Deanos comments, but you never know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2019, 09:12:25 AM
I am surprised we haven't gone in for Albian Ajeti - quite a few clubs interested, young, great strike record and cheaper than some of the other names being  mentioned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2019, 09:52:24 AM
Regarding Diagne....does anyone watch any Turkish league football? You hear about Galatasaray, Fenerbahce & Besiktas but is it like Scotland where every other team is poor or is it competitive where you have to earn goals?

Kasimpasa are hardly one of the big guns in Turkey but he still scored 32 goals in 34 games for them as well as 10 in 12 for Galatasary , whose fans are in revolt about the prospect of him leaving. He scored 16 in 44 in China, 11 in 14 in Hungary, 6 in 12 in Belgium and 50 in 59 in Italy although his time in Italy was not spent in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 07, 2019, 10:00:05 AM
Great news Newcastle signing another RB....hopefully means Elmohamady staying
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2019, 10:01:34 AM
I'm still hoping to write a similar post about Hogan leaving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2019, 10:02:34 AM
Great news Newcastle signing another RB....hopefully means Elmohamady staying
Is Bruce up to 5 then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 07, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
Great news Newcastle signing another RB....hopefully means Elmohamady staying
Is Bruce up to 5 then?

Ha ha they did say I’m SSN that was his 4th RB
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on August 07, 2019, 10:06:14 AM
Give it 20 years, a TV documentary will go round to his house where he's got his collection of RBs on display.  Like one of those doll collecting weirdos!
;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Great news Newcastle signing another RB....hopefully means Elmohamady staying
Is Bruce up to 5 then?

Ha ha they did say I’m SSN that was his 4th RB
Expect abid then ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
It's a crucial element of Bruceball as the head of the right back is the destination for starting all attacking moves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 07, 2019, 11:06:52 AM
Elmo, can play more than 1 position though, so maybe Bruce will play him more as a winger. If he did go, I don't think it would be a great loss to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2019, 11:15:12 AM
He won't go anywhere. His mate has just arrived.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
Regarding Diagne....does anyone watch any Turkish league football? You hear about Galatasaray, Fenerbahce & Besiktas but is it like Scotland where every other team is poor or is it competitive where you have to earn goals?

Fenerbache were actually battling against relegation for most of last season, were in bottom 4 for most of the season before getting a few wins at the end and rising to mid table.

It's not the worst standard, would say similar to Dutch and Portugal league in standard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 11:36:00 AM
Wherever Bruce goes the Elmo speculation starts, he was going to the Owls last season...

Unless something concrete comes up, it's most likely lazy journalism.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fasth56 on August 07, 2019, 11:38:27 AM
Elmo won't be going anywhere, Newcastle are currently buying a Swedish right back for £5m 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 11:41:45 AM
Elmo won't be going anywhere, Newcastle are currently buying a Swedish right back for £5m

God bless the Gateshead Ikea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
Smith has blocked Davis leaving on loan, 6 clubs were interested.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
Smith has blocked Davis leaving on loan, 6 clubs were interested.

Hmmmm maybe indicates we won't get in another forward then. Wes, Kodjia and Davis as three options up to January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 11:54:07 AM
Smith has blocked Davis leaving on loan, 6 clubs were interested.

Hmmmm maybe indicates we won't get in another forward then. Wes, Kodjia and Davis as three options up to January.

We're going to struggle with that, not enough goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 07, 2019, 11:55:14 AM
Smith has blocked Davis leaving on loan, 6 clubs were interested.

Hmmmm maybe indicates we won't get in another forward then. Wes, Kodjia and Davis as three options up to January.

We're going to struggle with that, not enough goals.

My feeling too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 11:56:48 AM
Smith has blocked Davis leaving on loan, 6 clubs were interested.

good i like Davis ( i might of mentioned that before)

 with RHM and Green going out on loan and Doyle Hayes maybe one or two others it looks like Smith might well be  keeping Callum O'hare and Davis who iv'e always thought are best of the bunch of lads trying to break through from the academy with the most potential for the future

now iv'e said that they probably be shipped out somewhere tomorrow
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
Davis didn't come through the academy.

I think he came from Biggleswade Something.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
I'm not sure why people are so worried about goals from the strikers, we've just socred 16 goals in pre-season and only 3 were from forwards. Complaining about the lack of goals from the forwards but ignoring the fact that the midfield was scoring for fun just seems a strange way to react to that, for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 07, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Can't see us not signing another striker regardless of Davis not going on loan.

3 strikers isn't enough and Dean Smith will know this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
I'm not sure why people are so worried about goals from the strikers, we've just socred 16 goals in pre-season and only 3 were from forwards. Complaining about the lack of goals from the forwards but ignoring the fact that the midfield was scoring for fun just seems a strange way to react to that, for me.

Scoring against the lower league teams we played in pre-season (mostly) and scoring in the Premier League are totally different things.

Relying on your midfield to provide the goals because you don't have many options up front strikes me as extremely risky. I'll be amazed if we don't bring in another striker before the end of the week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 12:04:28 PM
But as has been shown, they’re not going to buy for buying’s sake.  Buying the wrong person is just as bad as buying no-one.  That’s been proven over the last 3-4 years.

They will be looking for another striking option, but it will be on their terms.  And if we can’t find someone right, then we will go with what we have which is goals all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
Davis didn't come through the academy.

I think he came from Biggleswade Something.

yep, i'm not very good at remembering things
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 07, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
Can't see us not signing another striker regardless of Davis not going on loan.

3 strikers isn't enough and Dean Smith will know this.

Only if it is the right striker. We know for experience that getting the wrong player is worse than not getting anyone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2019, 12:09:08 PM
Smith did say things need to align. It may well be that he's being careful in case the deal that he wants doesn't come off in time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 07, 2019, 12:11:06 PM
I've a suspicion Smith might want to play a bit like Liverpool with three quick mobile forwards who can play wide or down the middle, with the full backs providing additional width.  So Benrahma would fit that bill more so than another Centre Forward type like Wesley.  Trezeguet, AEG, Jota maybe Kodija, also possibly would work in that respect. Possibly even Wesley himself.   In which case a hold up type player might not play all the time, or be expected to bear the goalscoring burden -  and Davies would be adequate backup. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
I'm not sure why people are so worried about goals from the strikers, we've just socred 16 goals in pre-season and only 3 were from forwards. Complaining about the lack of goals from the forwards but ignoring the fact that the midfield was scoring for fun just seems a strange way to react to that, for me.

Good form in friendlies is nice, but hardly something to base a season upon. It's unrealistic to expect our midfield to score as many in the Premier League as they did in a division below. Kodjia is injury prone and Davis has moments of promise but is hardly prolific, to say the least.

We would never have got promoted without the goals of Abraham, and he's gone. If Wesley gets injured or struggles for form, we look woefully short up front.

We need another striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 07, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
Can't see us not signing another striker regardless of Davis not going on loan.

3 strikers isn't enough and Dean Smith will know this.

Only if it is the right striker. We know for experience that getting the wrong player is worse than not getting anyone.
I agree, but in this instance I'd say Kodjia and Davis are also the wrong strikers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 12:20:39 PM
Kodjia given games and played in the right position scored lots of goals for us in the Championship which is at least as good as the Belgian league.  Surely we aren’t going to write him off already.

Davis is a work in progress, we have to work and see how he progresses.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: algy on August 07, 2019, 12:22:46 PM
You didn't watch too closely because both were free kicks.
Feel Deano's building a team that's unplayable here, and Hourihane's a bigger part of that than he's given credit for.

Goal threats across the board from midfield.  If you give them space, they'll punish you.  If you pressure them, you risk giving away free kicks left, right and centre.  If we have someone who's dangerous there (aka Conor), and you pose a serious problem.  Saw from England at the last world cup, it can be an effective tactic.

This chap from Galatasary is interesting too.  He scored for fun whilst he was playing for Kasimpasa with Trezuguet.  Could only find a few highlights of him there, but he looked like he was getting on the end of absolutely everything.  Maybe he thrives where he has good delivery, that's the impression I got.  Hopefully that's what's been seen, and we've put in a bid.

In any case, someone who can just get on the end of balls and send them goalwards would be handy.  Not for every game, but when we're playing someone who's struggling to contain the midfield, a player like that could turn draws in to wins, and wins in to absolute maulings.  Big Wes is there for the games where we're marked tightly and need a creative striker rather than a scrappy one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 12:27:04 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is. And Gregg Evans is reporting an unnamed French player. That’s journalism for you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 07, 2019, 12:29:42 PM
Davis loan moved blocked by Deano for the time being, Diagne links are off the mark and we're after a French striker as per (yes, yes I know) Gregg Evans. Would appear the Augustin rumours are closer to the mark.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is.

For 60m euros, you'd hope so. Do we really need another Brazilian?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on August 07, 2019, 12:32:47 PM
Of all the links I've sen, Rodrigo would be my preferred choice, he's excellent.  Add to the fact that Suso is ex Valencia and you never know...!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
What about Julian Joachim?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 07, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
Rodrigo would surely only go to a team with Champions league football? Real Madrid were sniffing around last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2019, 12:44:06 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is. And Gregg Evans is reporting an unnamed French player. That’s journalism for you.

I wouldn't listen to anything that gormless ****** is spouting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2019, 12:48:30 PM
Of all the links I've sen, Rodrigo would be my preferred choice, he's excellent.  Add to the fact that Suso is ex Valencia and you never know...!

On the one hand he can play as a winger or a striker, which is ideal. On the other hand he's 28 and in the 60m euro price bracket so i doubt it's us that's bid for him. Just my thought anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is. And Gregg Evans is reporting an unnamed French player. That’s journalism for you.

I wouldn't listen to anything that gormless c*** is spouting.

Gregg is just a few decades behind the news and sees us linked with Trezeguet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2019, 12:52:03 PM
Rodrigo has a look of Savo about him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
In fairness, I would say that for anything to be sorted and signed by 5pm tomorrow, we'd probably be hearing more than just vague suggestions.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was it now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 12:54:51 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is.

For 60m euros, you'd hope so. Do we really need another Brazilian?

He’s Spanish isn’t he?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2019, 01:08:09 PM
New rumour: Rodrigo from Valencia. Name sounds like he should be great. No idea if he is.

For 60m euros, you'd hope so. Do we really need another Brazilian?

He’s Spanish isn’t he?

Born in Rio. Moved to Spain in his teens. Dual nationality. Too old for us at that money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Rodrigo has played for Real Madrid, Benfica, Valencia and.....Bolton on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2019, 01:14:50 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good

Well Forlan only retired today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
In fairness, I would say that for anything to be sorted and signed by 5pm tomorrow, we'd probably be hearing more than just vague suggestions.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was it now.
But that's not the way the window works, is it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on August 07, 2019, 01:44:51 PM
What about Julian Joachim?

Julian is playing in the Gibraltar league this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
 doubt Benrahma's on his way as Brentford are demanding £25m for him and i'm sure we won't go to that. As to Hogan. let's hope it's signed and sealed as Jones is on a tightrope there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good

I'm not sure he ever looked 'good'. He gave his all and looked passable most of the time but that was about it. Not quite the coup that 1982 Brazilian legend Socrates was when he came out of retirement to play for Whitley Bay or whoever it was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 01:52:24 PM
In fairness, I would say that for anything to be sorted and signed by 5pm tomorrow, we'd probably be hearing more than just vague suggestions.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was it now.
But that's not the way the window works, is it?

Is it not?  I am sorry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good

I'm not sure he ever looked 'good'. He gave his all and looked passable most of the time but that was about it. Not quite the coup that 1982 Brazilian legend Socrates was when he came out of retirement to play for Whitley Bay or whoever it was.

Guiseley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: enigma on August 07, 2019, 02:15:38 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good

I'm not sure he ever looked 'good'. He gave his all and looked passable most of the time but that was about it. Not quite the coup that 1982 Brazilian legend Socrates was when he came out of retirement to play for Whitley Bay or whoever it was.

Guiseley.
Garforth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 07, 2019, 02:20:14 PM
In my stupidity I’d forgotten the window now closes tomorrow. What do we reckon? All over? one more striker on the way?

I’d be perfectly happy if we’re done, especially with the news about Doug, very happy with another option up front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 02:22:55 PM
I think another striker is our biggest need, but if it doesn't come then I'm okay with that too.

It's certainly not going to be like that fateful Christmas where I waited all morning for my dad to get up after his night shift so I could open that last present that I really, really wanted to be the Millenium Falcon, but deep down I knew the box was too small.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
Even if we don't sign anyone the club has played a blinder this window. I was hoping that none of our incoming deals wouldn't go down to the last minute but that's almost inevitable these days. Still we did the vast majority of our business already, so adds a bit of fun to the last day or two. Still think it will be one at least in, maybe two, with 2 or 3 out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2019, 02:28:07 PM
I'm not sure why people are so worried about goals from the strikers, we've just socred 16 goals in pre-season and only 3 were from forwards. Complaining about the lack of goals from the forwards but ignoring the fact that the midfield was scoring for fun just seems a strange way to react to that, for me.

Good form in friendlies is nice, but hardly something to base a season upon. It's unrealistic to expect our midfield to score as many in the Premier League as they did in a division below. Kodjia is injury prone and Davis has moments of promise but is hardly prolific, to say the least.

We would never have got promoted without the goals of Abraham, and he's gone. If Wesley gets injured or struggles for form, we look woefully short up front.

We need another striker.



I totally agree. We have midfielders who scored goals in the Championship that will find it more difficult to do so in the Premier League. Also goal scoring midfielders in general are a bonus and a back up to the strikers. We need at least two genuine goalscorers who are out and out strikers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 02:48:07 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 03:03:20 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 03:05:06 PM
What about Julian Joachim?

Julian is playing in the Gibraltar league this season.

Damn . .      that's another one with Maupay we have missed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2019, 03:10:24 PM
What about Julian Joachim?

Julian is playing in the Gibraltar league this season.

Damn . .      that's another one with Maupay we have missed

Is this a step up or down from playing for Boston United?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2019, 03:17:19 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.

Watkins was the Brentford player who impressed me the most last season. Industrious player who seems to have a bit of everything to his game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.

Watkins was the Brentford player who impressed me the most last season. Industrious player who seems to have a bit of everything to his game.

I agree, him and Benrahma impressed me a lot more than Maupay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 07, 2019, 03:29:17 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.

I agree with this.

More or less what I said earlier - agree too.

I've a suspicion Smith might want to play a bit like Liverpool with three quick mobile forwards who can play wide or down the middle, with the full backs providing additional width.  So Benrahma would fit that bill more so than another Centre Forward type like Wesley.  Trezeguet, AEG, Jota maybe Kodija, also possibly would work in that respect. Possibly even Wesley himself.   In which case a hold up type player might not play all the time, or be expected to bear the goalscoring burden -  and Davies would be adequate backup. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 07, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 07, 2019, 03:49:35 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?

SJM with jota a close second on 15
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
Can't see anyone topping Guilbert's fifty goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?

Depends on who's taking the penalties. If that's Wes, then him. Otherwise, it could be anyone
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 03:52:46 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 03:53:54 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?

I think we will see Wesley with the most at around 12 but then a number of players in the 7-10 range. In the end as much as it would be great to have someone bang in 20 I don’t care where the goals come from as long as they do. Real Wolverhampton only scored 47 goals last season to finish 7th. Leicester/Everton low 50’s. If we can find any combination to get us to around 50-55 goals then we will be more than fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2019, 03:56:45 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned

Wes & Wis
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 03:57:01 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned

You're just listing noises, now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2019, 04:01:54 PM
My colleague at work is a Bees fan and said if Watkins is sold he is going to give up supporting them, he said he's tired of his club being raped and raided.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Towser on August 07, 2019, 04:03:07 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?

Depends on who's taking the penalties. If that's Wes, then him. Otherwise, it could be anyone
Isn't Barry taking the penalties? If not why not?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.

He doesn't not score a lot,  He doesn't score any (hardly).  As good as he is at holding things up, that's a very big problem.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 07, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
So who's going to be our top goalscorer this season?

Depends on who's taking the penalties. If that's Wes, then him. Otherwise, it could be anyone

Good point. VAR will mean a lot more penalties awarded, with last years World Cup being a prime example.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
It will mean we concede a lot more penalties. We won't get anywhere near as many as last year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 07, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
My colleague at work is a Bees fan and said if Watkins is sold he is going to give up supporting them, he said he's tired of his club being raped and raided.

Brentford fans are odd. They seem to take pride in the amount of money they get from selling their best players and then signing new ones to replace them..

Here's an idea why don't your club try keeping these players and get promoted?

Bizzare
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 04:12:32 PM
Just to clarify, my point is that even in the easy games we weren't seeing masses of chances falling to our strikers because that's just not how we've been playing. Our style seems to rely on midfielders getting ahead of Wesley and I don't see hwy you'd play that way in pre-season and then start firing balls into the box for a striker to get ont the end of once the season kicks off. If you want to compare how we're trying to play with anyone from last year take a look at Liverpool. Salah and Sane got 22 each and Firmino, who generally played as the striker, got 12. Looking at who we've signed and how we're building attacks I'm pretty certain that we're trying to do something similar with Jota, ewl Ghazi and Trezeguet (Benrahma would be another who offers the same threat and Augustin looks like he'd be great for that as well) but also bringing McGinn and Jack into it more as well and hoping they pick up a lot of ball on the edge of the box.

Another striker would be great but all along I've said I'd like it to be someone who can play wide or or up front because I see a wide player being our top scorer this year. Smith has previous for this as well, Jota, Watkins and Benrahma all scored a lot for Brentford from that inside forward position and I suspect Maupay was originally signed to play there as well.

I agree with this.

More or less what I said earlier - agree too.

I've a suspicion Smith might want to play a bit like Liverpool with three quick mobile forwards who can play wide or down the middle, with the full backs providing additional width.  So Benrahma would fit that bill more so than another Centre Forward type like Wesley.  Trezeguet, AEG, Jota maybe Kodija, also possibly would work in that respect. Possibly even Wesley himself.   In which case a hold up type player might not play all the time, or be expected to bear the goalscoring burden -  and Davies would be adequate backup. 

Yeah I saw your post as one of the ones that got the point I was trying to make the first time (I'll admit that my first response wasn't clear). I just think it's pretty clear from the pre-season that we trying to make a lot more chances for players coming into the box from wide or deep. The one time where it didn't work was the first half against Shrewsbury (where Bjarnason wasn't holding on to the ball and our left side just didn't work) and the response was to bring Hogan in and look to get him in behind hence we're after someone who can break in behind as an alternative but I think Smith wants a bit more versatility so they can do more than just be an impact sub if we're struggling to find gaps.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on August 07, 2019, 04:33:42 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned

I've also seen that and am annoyed because there's no suggestion its him but it's made me very excited for absolutely no reason.

If we get him that would be a next-level signing. £40m release clause at Sevilla. Natural finisher. 20 goals last season in La Liga.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 07, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
Linked with Newton Heath back in June - aged 28
Does that fit our profile now?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned

I've also seen that and am annoyed because there's no suggestion its him but it's made me very excited for absolutely no reason.

If we get him that would be a next-level signing. £40m release clause at Sevilla. Natural finisher. 20 goals last season in La Liga.

5ft7 and 28, doesn’t seem to fit the model?!?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 07, 2019, 04:47:12 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned
If he's the no 1 target then it's time to get the party poppers out! He is properly brilliant. However he was linked to Manu a couple of months ago and can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 07, 2019, 04:48:12 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.

He doesn't not score a lot,  He doesn't score any (hardly).  As good as he is at holding things up, that's a very big problem.
Yep, 3 goals in 44 appearances outside the top flight is poor.  It worries me that some consider him to be back up for the first team.  Same with Kodjia.  They really shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on August 07, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Linked with Newton Heath back in June - aged 28
Does that fit our profile now?

If a player of his quality was a realistic transfer, I think we'd be willing to stretch our young and hungry 2.0 policy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 07, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
My colleague at work is a Bees fan and said if Watkins is sold he is going to give up supporting them, he said he's tired of his club being raped and raided.

Brentford fans are odd. They seem to take pride in the amount of money they get from selling their best players and then signing new ones to replace them..

Here's an idea why don't your club try keeping these players and get promoted?

Bizzare

We more than most should know how hard it is to hang on to players who have had their head turned. Milner Delph Downing Young Yorke Barry etc etc. In those scenarios the only bit of consolation is the hopeful thought you've fleeced the other club.
   Classic example: last week a Blues fan was telling me how one footed and predictable Jota is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
like I said Julio Joaquim looks good

I'm not sure he ever looked 'good'. He gave his all and looked passable most of the time but that was about it. Not quite the coup that 1982 Brazilian legend Socrates was when he came out of retirement to play for Whitley Bay or whoever it was.

Guiseley.
Garforth.

Good point!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Baldy on August 07, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
I would not be unhappy if we did not sign another player in this window and kept a bit of money in reserve for the January window.

On paper, our recruitment this window looks great but there are many, many unknowns. We will have a much clearer picture in January where we need to strengthen our squad and probably best we spend the extra money then.

Will also keep current squad 'on their toes' if they know cheque book hasn't been locked away.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 05:36:09 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.

He doesn't not score a lot,  He doesn't score any (hardly).  As good as he is at holding things up, that's a very big problem.
Yep, 3 goals in 44 appearances outside the top flight is poor.  It worries me that some consider him to be back up for the first team.  Same with Kodjia.  They really shouldn't be.

I've said a few times i think Davis as the 3rd choice is fine and I'm happy with Wes starting (from what I've seen). I'm not sure Kodjia is the right option to be 2nd choice and I'm not sure I'd want a 30 year old as the 3rd choice so, whilst I do quite like him, I'm not sure where he fits if he's not going to play wide as a rotation option.

Ben Yedder would be a superb signing, great finisher, great mocement, great touch, can aply all across a front 3 and get goals. Works his tits off as well from what I've seen of him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2019, 05:48:29 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.

He doesn't not score a lot,  He doesn't score any (hardly).  As good as he is at holding things up, that's a very big problem.
Yep, 3 goals in 44 appearances outside the top flight is poor.  It worries me that some consider him to be back up for the first team.  Same with Kodjia.  They really shouldn't be.

Of the 44 appearances how many were starts? Leas than half I imagine. Not saying he's a goal machine but you're making him sound as bad as possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 07, 2019, 05:50:32 PM
It also tallies with what's being reported about Davis today. He doesn't score a lot just at the minute but he combines pretty well and clearly Smith sees that as the most valuable attribute in a centre-forward this season.

He doesn't not score a lot,  He doesn't score any (hardly).  As good as he is at holding things up, that's a very big problem.
Yep, 3 goals in 44 appearances outside the top flight is poor.  It worries me that some consider him to be back up for the first team.  Same with Kodjia.  They really shouldn't be.

I've said a few times i think Davis as the 3rd choice is fine and I'm happy with Wes starting (from what I've seen). I'm not sure Kodjia is the right option to be 2nd choice and I'm not sure I'd want a 30 year old as the 3rd choice so, whilst I do quite like him, I'm not sure where he fits if he's not going to play wide as a rotation option.

Ben Yedder would be a superb signing, great finisher, great mocement, great touch, can aply all across a front 3 and get goals. Works his tits off as well from what I've seen of him.

My footballing knowledge isn't panoramic enough to know about Yedder. I'd really like to see a Suarez type player who plays across the defensive line and never gives them a moments piece. With the quality we have to thread balls in it could be very effective.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 07, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
Of the 44 appearances how many were starts? Leas than half I imagine. Not saying he's a goal machine but you're making him sound as bad as possible.
Not intentionally.  We've all seen him play and I think we all recognise he doesn't carry much goal threat.  The stats back that up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 05:59:49 PM
Davis isn’t the answer to any of our questions regarding our squad in the Premier League. The transfer business this summer has been exceptional, but we still need another striker...I won’t complain if we don’t, but we will be going into the season light upfront.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2019, 06:02:36 PM
I agree, he's not my choice at all, just trying to guess at Smith's reasoning. Honestly I might rather play no striker than start work Keinan, harsh as that sounds - I just feel like it might accentuate our strengths more to have even AEG or Trezeguet as something of a focal point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
Hogan gone to Stoke on year long loan..confirmed
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 07, 2019, 06:04:59 PM
Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.
Yes but where's he going to get the experience?  He needs games and he's not going to get them here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 06:07:32 PM
Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.
Yes but where's he going to get the experience?  He needs games and he's not going to get them here.

That means Wesley will be knocking them in for fun and keeping him out the team, in which case it don’t matter who is the backup!  :) :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Hogan gone to Stoke on year long loan..confirmed

Even feel more sorry for Butland. .   He does at least get to play with a Villa player sort of .... 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.
Yes but where's he going to get the experience?  He needs games and he's not going to get them here.

That means Wesley will be knocking them in for fun and keeping him out the team, in which case it don’t matter who is the backup!  :) :)
...and if Wes gets injured?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 06:12:43 PM
Then Davis gets experience...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
Am I the only one not fussed whether benrahma comes in or not?

We are all covered in the wide positions so I’d much rather have a proven striker come in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 06:14:37 PM
Am I the only one not fussed whether benrahma comes in or not?

We are all covered in the wide positions so I’d much rather have a proven striker come in.

I’d definitely take a proven out and out goal scorer over Benrahma...it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. Can we bring Withe out of retirement?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
I like KD but just don't see a regular goalscorer at a high level with him. The way we play though may mean he's more than a bit useful to us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 06:18:41 PM
Am I the only one not fussed whether benrahma comes in or not?

We are all covered in the wide positions so I’d much rather have a proven striker come in.

I’d definitely take a proven out and out goal scorer over Benrahma...it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. Can we bring Withe out of retirement?

I want both, and I'm obsessed with wingers as I may have mentioned. If I had to choose, though... I'd go with a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
Then Davis gets experience...
That’s what concerns me. He’s the most similar player to Wes that we have, but it’s a big ask to expect the inexperienced Davis to lead the line in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 07, 2019, 06:27:01 PM
I’ve played against Julian Joachim. Until today I’d imagine that was the nadir of his career.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 07, 2019, 06:27:41 PM
Then Davis gets experience...
That’s what concerns me. He’s the most similar player to Wes that we have, but it’s a big ask to expect the inexperienced Davis to lead the line in the Premier League.

Why would we?  I know Dean has said he's going to stick to his way of playing etc but I doubt he's that dogmatic. If Wes is injured or suspended whose to say he won't mix things up and play Kodja and Davis as a two?  Or Trezegeut through the middle flanked Jota and El Ghazi ? 

Kane got injured last season, Spurs had a backup option Llorente. For the most part he stayed that way, they modified their style of play and got Moura and Son more involved instead. I'm not worried about Davis because I honestly don't think at any point we'll be burdening him with that main man number nine mantle.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2019, 06:27:46 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2019, 06:32:56 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

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Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 07, 2019, 06:33:36 PM
We need to bring another a striker in hopefully we have one lined up before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
I reckon it will be someone in on loan. No idea who mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2019, 06:50:23 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

I've also heard that the PTA has disbanded!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

If we’d had to start with Hogan up front we were fucked anyway.

Fucking chill out dude, that heart’s gotta last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2019, 06:54:57 PM
Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.


Christiano Ronaldo was a winger in his younger days and more interested in showing off a fancy step over too many. It was his second season at United when he really started scoring goals and was then often played in a free role or up front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
I reckon we’ll bring someone in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2019, 06:57:34 PM
Wissam Ben Yedder   a name on twatter being mentioned
I'm going to bed to dream about that tonight!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2019, 07:03:23 PM
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Well, by his age Christiano Ronaldo had scored 11 goals in 73 appearances.  Should have binned him off really.

He’s just a kid, he’s developing.  How good was Grealish at 20 in the Prem?  You have to give them time.

The majority of strikers are not prolific at his age and with his experience.


Christiano Ronaldo was a winger in his younger days and more interested in showing off a fancy step over too many. It was his second season at United when he really started scoring goals and was then often played in a free role or up front.

Lol, and this makes my point that you can’t judge someone’s entire ability based on the results of their first few years invalid how?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Smith only plays with one striker really and two wide players.

Hence three strikers is arguably one too many.

There was no chance of Hogan making the grade, little chance of Kodjia either and Davis is very raw still.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2019, 07:29:17 PM
Am I the only one not fussed whether benrahma comes in or not?

We are all covered in the wide positions so I’d much rather have a proven striker come in.

I’d definitely take a proven out and out goal scorer over Benrahma...it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. Can we bring Withe out of retirement?

The problem is though gents, we play with one central striker and 2 wingers, one each side. We currently have 3 players who's best position is central, Wes, Kodjia and Davis. We currently have 2 out and out wingers in El Ghazi and Trez for 2 positions although granted Jota and Kodjia at a push could play there, so we are more in need of another natural pacey winger than another central striker. If we get a lot of success playing the 2 quick players and 1 gets injured who is going to replace like for like? You can argue that the quality of back up for Wes is iffy so maybe another striker would be good with Davis loaned out but if I could pick 1 more to come in it would be Benrahma all day.
If we sign a 'proven goal scoring central striker' where is he going to play? We could do with a player like that to come off the bench but keeping a player like that happy would be a challenge.
I hope we get the 2 but cover wise the winger is far more urgent IMO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 07, 2019, 07:53:31 PM
I’d forgotten what a solid gold throbber Danny Mills is, on Sky Sports Transfer Jizz Off right now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 07, 2019, 07:54:20 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Calm down.

Panick Buye expected to sign before tomorrow's deadline. All over Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2019, 08:00:21 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Calm down.

Panick Buye expected to sign before tomorrow's deadline. All over Twitter.

Bastard. I thought it said Patrick, was just about to google him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 08:01:36 PM
Looks like Lukaku has agitated his move away from Man Utd so I’d imagine they’ll be in the market for a striker too tomorrow.

Oh well...less than 24 hours to go of the Sky transfer wankfest, and we’ll just have to keep our shit together and see if we sign or release any more players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 07, 2019, 08:03:22 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

I've also heard that the PTA has disbanded!

Won’t somebody please think of the children?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Calm down.

Panick Buye expected to sign before tomorrow's deadline. All over Twitter.

Bastard. I thought it said Patrick, was just about to google him.

My name is Patrick and I will not hand in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 07, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
I saw Altidore score the other day. Maybe he is the secret weapon
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
Ben Schwarmer of Young Boys is on our radar allegedly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 07, 2019, 08:29:19 PM
I saw Altidore score the other day. Maybe he is the secret weapon

F no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
I saw Altidore score the other day. Maybe he is the secret weapon

He's definitely a weapon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 08:39:32 PM
just a hunch but I bet those posters who don’t think Davis will ever be good enough for us are the same ones who were slagging Grealish of a while back saying he ‘offers nothing’ is ’lightweight’ if we get a good offer I’d let him go sort of shit,

you know who you are I’m right arnt i, someone will look it up the Grealish thread and I bet it the same lot who can’t tell pork from pigs arse

if you watch a player you can tell what he’s about he might be a long way from the finished article as a Davis is at the moment but the skill is discerning if he ever will be

I reckon he will be one day and think Smith sees him the same way and all you knockers don’t know scooby about what your watching
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2019, 08:41:07 PM
Nope.

Davis could do with a season on loan getting regular games under his belt at a decent Championship club. It would do him the world of good, and develop him more than he would sat on our bench most of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2019, 08:41:26 PM
just a hunch but I bet those posters who don’t think Davis will ever be good enough for us are the same ones who were slagging Grealish of a while back saying he ‘offers nothing’ is ’lightweight’ if we get a good offer I’d let him go sort of shit,

you know who you are I’m right arnt i, someone will look it up the Grealish thread and I bet it the same lot who can’t tell pork from pigs arse

if you watch a player you can tell what he’s about he might be a long way from the finished article as a Davis is at the moment but the skill is discerning if he ever will be

I reckon he will be one day and think Smith sees him the same way and all you knockers don’t know scooby about what your watching
Hope you're right, as most of us do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
just a hunch but I bet those posters who don’t think Davis will ever be good enough for us are the same ones who were slagging Grealish of a while back saying he ‘offers nothing’ is ’lightweight’ if we get a good offer I’d let him go sort of shit,

you know who you are I’m right arnt i, someone will look it up the Grealish thread and I bet it the same lot who can’t tell pork from pigs arse

if you watch a player you can tell what he’s about he might be a long way from the finished article as a Davis is at the moment but the skill is discerning if he ever will be

I reckon he will be one day and think Smith sees him the same way and all you knockers don’t know scooby about what your watching

Crikey, John.

Calm down, it's a difference of opinion about a footballer.

You are right, he might turn out to be decent, but he's clearly not good enough yet for the top flight, and as such, we'd be nuts to find ourselves actually reliant on him to provide goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
I'm with John. You're all gonna look right mugs in a year or two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
I'm with John. You're all gonna look right mugs in a year or two.

I look a propa mug already

*mug face*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 07, 2019, 08:47:09 PM
Yep Time will tell on Davis ,but the coaches obviously fancy him and see something there to work with and help coach
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 08:49:09 PM
who’s that bloke who spends hours doing all that back checking on threads to prove a point
investigates the minute detail of something someone posted years ago

I’m going to put him on the job on the Grealish thread to find out if they are the same ones who couldn’t see what Grealish was about either

I can’t be arsed to do it myself
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 08:52:44 PM
I'm with John. You're all gonna look right mugs in a year or two.

Proper mugs mate
and we’ll be lording it

well that or we might have had to leave the site with egg face

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
Whoever he is, he sounds pretty petty and vindictive. The sort of twat who clearly doesn't have much going on is his life and is happy to waste hours arguing with strangers on a football forum.



Oh bollocks. It's me, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
Whoever he is, he sounds pretty petty and vindictive. The sort of twat who clearly doesn't have much going on is his life and is happy to waste hours arguing with strangers on a football forum.



Oh bollocks. It's me, isn't it?
Stan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 07, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
Whoever he is, he sounds pretty petty and vindictive. The sort of twat who clearly doesn't have much going on is his life and is happy to waste hours arguing with strangers on a football forum.



Oh bollocks. It's me, isn't it?

ha ha made me laugh

Bet your inching to do it as well if truth be told
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 08:56:59 PM
who’s that bloke who spends hours doing all that back checking on threads to prove a point
investigates the minute detail of something someone posted years ago

I’m going to put him on the job on the Grealish thread to find out if they are the same ones who couldn’t see what Grealish was about either

I can’t be arsed to do it myself

I can't be arsed either, so I'm going to guess Risso for a laugh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Whoever he is, he sounds pretty petty and vindictive. The sort of twat who clearly doesn't have much going on is his life and is happy to waste hours arguing with strangers on a football forum.



Oh bollocks. It's me, isn't it?

No, but you've narrowed the field to about 2500.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
I'll holdf my hand up, I did that with Stuart445 over his Benteke posts, but that was mostly because he was trying to argue that he was right about Benteke because of what happened after he left us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2019, 09:19:40 PM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Calm down.

Panick Buye expected to sign before tomorrow's deadline. All over Twitter.

Bastard. I thought it said Patrick, was just about to google him.

My name is Patrick and I will not hand in a transfer request.

We're going to swap you for somebody really good from smallheàthalliance.com
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 07, 2019, 09:22:08 PM
I'll holdf my hand up, I did that with Stuart445 over his Benteke posts, but that was mostly because he was trying to argue that he was right about Benteke because of what happened after he left us.

Haha I told you he was shit, look he can't even score for Liverpool!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2019, 09:26:03 PM
I hope it's Craig Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 07, 2019, 09:33:03 PM
I'll confess to being one of those massively unconvinced by Jack 2-3 years ago although  don't recall advocating we should cash in, just that he was being over hyped based on what he'd done up to then and needed more end product than just winning a few free kicks.   Which is pretty much what he's done.   Sadly for John's theory I'm not also one of those who doesn't rate Davis.  I think he's a great player and would have scored goals if given a proper run of starts.  I still say the same abut Hogan though. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2019, 09:39:25 PM
He had a bit of run of games under Bruce. I know we were playing Bruce-ball but we looked much better with him in the team at the time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 07, 2019, 09:51:12 PM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ajmant on August 07, 2019, 09:54:05 PM
For those thinking Wes et al is ok. Really? Nowhere near where it needs to be. One more in has to be a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve kirk on August 07, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
There was a fair bit of chatter about Joe Lolley being a possible target a few months back, I wonder if we might go for him if as looks likely the Benrahma deal doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2019, 10:23:34 PM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.

Totally agree and many of us said the same at the time.  There was a time when Grealish floated around the pitch and went to ground far too easy and wasn't adding a great deal to the team.  People called it as it was at the time.  Since then, we got relegated, he got injured and then came back superbly.  he grew up, was given more responsibility and is now a highly valued player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2019, 10:23:59 PM
Tshibola to Sunderland possibly. Like they need more misery.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
Tshibola to Sunderland possibly. Like they need more misery.

Those poor, poor bastards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
There was a fair bit of chatter about Joe Lolley being a possible target a few months back, I wonder if we might go for him if as looks likely the Benrahma deal doesn't happen.

As with Maupay, I think Lolley is one where if Villa had really been keen, it would have been done and dusted early in the window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2019, 10:47:48 PM
Depends what you want from Davis. If people are demanding 15 + goals well you're going to be disappointed. In any case that should be coming from Wesley or even Kodj if he gets a run of starts as they'll be playing more minutes.

If what is required is someone to come on, hold it up and get Jota, Grealish and McGinn properly into the game then I think Davis has good potential. I think as it stands he'd be a decent option to bring on with ten minutes left in games we're 1-0 up to run down the clock. If he can add 5 + crucial goals all the better.

I'd keep him around until January. If he hasn't had many games loan him out then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
Did I just see Blose trying to sign Villalba

Ha ha .. they just cant stop being obsessed with us
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2019, 11:03:16 PM
I'll confess to being one of those massively unconvinced by Jack 2-3 years ago although  don't recall advocating we should cash in, just that he was being over hyped based on what he'd done up to then and needed more end product than just winning a few free kicks.   Which is pretty much what he's done.   Sadly for John's theory I'm not also one of those who doesn't rate Davis.  I think he's a great player and would have scored goals if given a proper run of starts.  I still say the same abut Hogan though. 

Hogan has looked well off the pace for most of his time at Villa.

Davis - for a period  in 17/18 - looked an absolute monster to play against. His impact in the second half of the season fell away, but part of that must have been down to bringing in closer to a sure thing in Grabban.  He looked decent against Brighton when he came on in the season before that - against a centre half pairing that are now supposedly worth £50-60 million.

All that said, I do think at this point in time he would be far better off getting a run of games in the Championship. At 21 years of age, that goalscoring ratio can shoot up fairly lively.

Scott Hogan will be 28 next year. He's about as good as he's going to get.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2019, 11:31:15 PM
Star have us linked with Augustin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Benrahma and Augustin come in tomorrow by the look of them we will have had an incredible window. We will have added skill, pace, strength and guile to our attack, steel and mobility to our midfield, cover and quality to the defence and seriously upgraded our keeper.

Even without them it has been a 9/10 window, but we need an extra couple of bodies in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2019, 12:09:07 AM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.

Totally agree and many of us said the same at the time.  There was a time when Grealish floated around the pitch and went to ground far too easy and wasn't adding a great deal to the team.  People called it as it was at the time.  Since then, we got relegated, he got injured and then came back superbly.  he grew up, was given more responsibility and is now a highly valued player.

I don't think John is criticising the people who had concerns about him needing to become more consistent (the argument there was between people who expected it to happen and people saying it needed to), it was the handful of people who said they'd sell him whilst we could still get decent money who deserve criticism. There were a couple on here and I remember arguing with a few somewhere else as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2019, 12:38:50 AM
With Hogan gone on loan to Stoke, we only have 3 strikers left? Any injuries to them and we're fucked up front!

Calm down.

Panick Buye expected to sign before tomorrow's deadline. All over Twitter.

Bastard. I thought it said Patrick, was just about to google him.

My name is Patrick and I will not hand in a transfer request.

We're going to swap you for somebody really good from smallheàthalliance.com

I've always been a that lot.com fan and it has been a chore to post several thousand times over twelve years to you fanny's.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2019, 02:42:52 AM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.

Totally agree and many of us said the same at the time.  There was a time when Grealish floated around the pitch and went to ground far too easy and wasn't adding a great deal to the team.  People called it as it was at the time.  Since then, we got relegated, he got injured and then came back superbly.  he grew up, was given more responsibility and is now a highly valued player.


but that’s the difference while you saw a player who was floating around the pitch and as you say called it as you saw it
others including me saw a great player in the making

I remember arguing on the Grealish thread at the time with people maybe you who thought he in your words ‘didn’t add a great deal to the team’
Whereas i was watching the best player in the pitch

so I’m  just making the same comparison to Davis
while some see a non scoring player who isn’t good enough and needs to be loaned out
others including me see a great player in the making he’s already a good player and will improve into a very good player for us

anyone can predict things when they’ve happened, it’s seeing them before they’ve happened that’s the key

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 08, 2019, 04:14:29 AM
Davis when he’s on his game is a great prospect, but obviously not ready for week in week out action at this level.  My own pref would be to get someone like Sturridge or even Tammy back on loan. We need a couple more English football ready players to really kick on.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2019, 04:21:35 AM
Yeh, some of the comments on here and also at VP about Grealish are pretty embarrassing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villabear on August 08, 2019, 06:36:18 AM
Josh Onomah going to Fulham as part of the Ryan Sessegnon deal. How times change. Remember when we got him on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 08, 2019, 06:59:49 AM
I'm amazed that anyone is interested in Onomah.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2019, 07:07:38 AM
If we can sign  a forward today, let Davis go out on loan for the season, and lets see what he can do at a Championship level side
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2019, 07:13:55 AM
I'm surprised that Davis hasn't gone out on loan before now. He hasn't quite hit the the heights of his debut appearance (he was immense that day) but I still think there's a decent player in there. I'm not sure if it will be in the top flight though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 08, 2019, 07:21:57 AM
Ben Yedder rumours doing the rounds £30M + , decent scoring record and touted as one of top 10 strikers in Europe . In meantime great to have 2 of our own in this team at the start of today .....


(https://i.ibb.co/gMq3FKg/D21-D36-C7-9-B47-4248-B4-B2-46508-A252-B2-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gMq3FKg)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2019, 07:26:15 AM
Ben Yedder - never heard of him, read that he is 29 - I would have thought that with the age of the players we have signed so far this summer (apart from Heaton) this would go against our policy of signing younger players with the potential of a sell on value in the future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
In New Zealand, so will be asleep during any transfer activity. Will sleep happy with what we have done already. Any pleasant surprises a welcome bonus but can have no complaints if we stick.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
On twatter I have the Ben Yedder name and the link to us but I have never heard of him like I haven’t heard of most of the names we have been linked with. It doesn’t mean they aren’t brilliant or suitable just that I don’t play FIFA 2020.

And the Sky transfer extravaganza is fucking cringeworthy beyond belief.
They’ve got Clinton Morrison in the studio sharing his wisdom....Clinton fucking Morrison!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
Unbelievable window, but really hope we get another recognised striker in today - Could make the difference between just scraping survival and a Premier League  joy ride!

Hope Wesley hits the ground running, but if he doesn't (or gets injured), goals may be difficult to come by at Premier league level.

Bit disappointed that we haven't had any new players through the door for at least 24 hours!? COME ON YOU VILLA BOYS!! :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 08:30:46 AM
Confident we will sign a striker. If we don't I think we will be OK anyway. UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 08, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
Really need a striker tbh. The rest of our business has been fantastic, would be a real shame to go into the season without quality cover up front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2019, 08:39:31 AM
Not ITK, but it looks like Benrahma is a genuine target and is very likely to sign subject to agreeing the fee.

We also appear to be in the market for a striker/goalscorer (very sensible in my view) though who that is may depend on the deal struck for Benrahma, i.e. get him for close to £15m and Ben Yedder or another more expensive option is possible.

If we have to pay over £20 for Benrahma, then we might go for Augustin from Leipzig. UTV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 08, 2019, 08:42:05 AM
Not ITK, but it looks like Benrahma is a genuine target and is very likely to sign subject to agreeing the fee.

We also appear to be in the market for a striker/goalscorer (very sensible in my view) though who that is may depend on the deal struck for Benrahma, i.e. get him for close to £15m and Ben Yedder or another more expensive option is possible.

If we have to pay over £20 for Benrahma, then we might go for Augustin from Leipzig. UTV

Gregg, is that you?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 08:44:01 AM
Not ITK, but it looks like Benrahma is a genuine target and is very likely to sign subject to agreeing the fee.

We also appear to be in the market for a striker/goalscorer (very sensible in my view) though who that is may depend on the deal struck for Benrahma, i.e. get him for close to £15m and Ben Yedder or another more expensive option is possible.

If we have to pay over £20 for Benrahma, then we might go for Augustin from Leipzig. UTV
Have you been on holiday Russ?
No WiFi ? 😉
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 08, 2019, 08:55:27 AM
Ben Yedder - never heard of him, read that he is 29 - I would have thought that with the age of the players we have signed so far this summer (apart from Heaton) this would go against our policy of signing younger players with the potential of a sell on value in the future.

I agree and can’t see it happening. Augustine better fits the profile
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
My God there are some irritating ****** on sky's deadline day coverage. I hate them all.

I might turn this shit off. That's how much I hate them.

The coverage is so self-reverential and cringemaking.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
Ben Yedder scores a lot of goals. 28 isn't old. It's a yes from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
Ben Yedder scores a lot of goals. 28 isn't old. It's a yes from me.

He's 29 next week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 09:13:34 AM
So, 28 then! ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on August 08, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.

Totally agree and many of us said the same at the time.  There was a time when Grealish floated around the pitch and went to ground far too easy and wasn't adding a great deal to the team.  People called it as it was at the time.  Since then, we got relegated, he got injured and then came back superbly.  he grew up, was given more responsibility and is now a highly valued player.


but that’s the difference while you saw a player who was floating around the pitch and as you say called it as you saw it
others including me saw a great player in the making

I remember arguing on the Grealish thread at the time with people maybe you who thought he in your words ‘didn’t add a great deal to the team’
Whereas i was watching the best player in the pitch

so I’m  just making the same comparison to Davis
while some see a non scoring player who isn’t good enough and needs to be loaned out
others including me see a great player in the making he’s already a good player and will improve into a very good player for us

anyone can predict things when they’ve happened, it’s seeing them before they’ve happened that’s the key



I don't think the Davis/Grealish comparison works at all John.  With Grealish I could see he had potential and definitely hadn't dismissed him as a lightweight, but genuinely couldn't see why people were raving about him at that time.  He just looked ordinary.  With Davis I can clearly see what he adds to the team  -  albeit not too many goals.  His directness, hold up play, bringing others into play, and bullying of much more experienced defenders definitely adds something.  A better comparison would be Grealish at that time with Andre Green now, loads of ability and potential just doesn't seem to have the confidence to go for it.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
Grealish has said himself his attitude was questionable when he first came through. When we first got relegated this was evident in his performances. It wasn’t ridiculous to have concerns that he was going to be one of those players who didn't live up to his obvious potential.

It’s great that he turned it around and started firing on all cylinders - but it doesn’t mean people who had concerns about him at the time are idiots or that those who didn’t are geniuses.

Totally agree and many of us said the same at the time.  There was a time when Grealish floated around the pitch and went to ground far too easy and wasn't adding a great deal to the team.  People called it as it was at the time.  Since then, we got relegated, he got injured and then came back superbly.  he grew up, was given more responsibility and is now a highly valued player.

anyone can predict things when they’ve happened, it’s seeing them before they’ve happened that’s the key

The David Koresh of H&V.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 09:29:58 AM
Matt Maher (e&s) says nothing close at Villa and it will be a quiet day
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
Well, considering that we have already spent about £150 million, it seems an unnecessary risk not to spend an extra £15-£20 million and get another striker.

Hopefully Wesley hits the ground running and it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villabear on August 08, 2019, 09:34:20 AM
Anyone that uses the phrase 'project' or 'model' can get in the f****** sea today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on August 08, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
Ben Yedder is a proven Champions League level goalscorer. He scored 30 in 54 in all comps for Sevilla last year. If he's available for £30-40m (rumours that the release clause is 40m Euros), and at his age gives us 2-3 years of service of the level he's been at for the last few seasons, that is incredible value. If you were to try and sign a striker with figures like that from the PL (or even nowadays the Championship), you'd probably be looking at double that figure.

We haven't exclusively gone for players under the age of 23 this window anyway - Heaton 33, Mings 26, Jota 28. If there's value to the team (in more ways than one) we have gone for it.

This is 99.9% a bollocks deadline day rumour anyway, but I don't think the fact he's almost 29 should matter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
It'll be a shame if we don't get another forward in, but I'm not really expecting us to bring anybody in today.  These guys don't seem the type to leave things until the last minute, so I can only assume they're happy with the business done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2019, 09:35:13 AM
Benrahma isn't going to happen imo, they simply want too much money. I'd like another CF but I suppose we can't be greedy!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 09:37:23 AM
Tell Benrahma to go on strike and force the issue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 09:37:33 AM
It'll be a shame if we don't get another forward in, but I'm not really expecting us to bring anybody in today.  These guys don't seem the type to leave things until the last minute, so I can only assume they're happy with the business done.

I think generally they don't but some deals are always dependant on other deals happening first so for 1 or 2 players on the list they might not have a choice. I still think at least 1 will come in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 08, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
Well, considering that we have already spent about £150 million, it seems an unnecessary risk not to spend an extra £15-£20 million and get another striker.

Hopefully Wesley hits the ground running and it doesn't matter.

That's my thought. After all the investment it seems a bit silly putting all at risk by not getting  decent striker cover. This is where it makes sense to go down the loan route.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 09:42:03 AM
If another striker does not come in, let’s not let this overshadow the absolutely magical summer that the club has given us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2019, 09:42:50 AM
After 12 signings I’ve got no problem with a sensible loan or two today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on August 08, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
I’ve paid very little attention to the transfers outside of Villa. OMG! There’s inflation and then there’s the transfer window. Some of the individual deals make it look like we are buying from the Woollies bargain basket (Aretha’s greatest hits was my best find 😂).
We’ve had to get the numbers in, but the cherry on the cake would be a head turning striker. Crikey we are going to really need to spend big or be very lucky to compete up the top end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 09:49:18 AM
I’ve paid very little attention to the transfers outside of Villa. OMG! There’s inflation and then there’s the transfer window. Some of the individual deals make it look like we are buying from the Woollies bargain basket (Aretha’s greatest hits was my best find 😂).
We’ve had to get the numbers in, but the cherry on the cake would be a head turning striker. Crikey we are going to really need to spend big or be very lucky to compete up the top end.

I don't think competing at the top end is a massive requirement this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on August 08, 2019, 09:54:15 AM
Wissam Ben Yadder. The club will get its money back on lettering for replica shirts.
😇
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 08, 2019, 09:55:38 AM
Not to be greedy or negative but if we don't sign another striker we are going to struggle for goals and struggle full stop. Wesley won't be prolific and Kodjia and Davis aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 08, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
My only worry is is Wesley doesn't produce and we find ourselves desperate for another striker to try and stay up in January, that will be far more of a rip off financially than it will be in this window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: old man villa fan on August 08, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
Steady progress is what we need from now.  Final pieces seem to be difficult to get in so loans may be the better option.  It could be that with the window closing later outside of UK, this is adding to the difficulty.  We still have space in the squad for loans and this may in the end be the best route to getting in the calibre of player that could push us on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 10:02:01 AM
Couple of points;
Spending enormous amounts on individual players is not exclusive to success (although it increases the odds)
We haven't been struggling for goals in pre-season, albeit against largely weaker opposition. We did put 3 in past a champions league team. The team is set up to score and touch wood it's been working.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
Not to be greedy or negative but if we don't sign another striker we are going to struggle for goals and struggle full stop. Wesley won't be prolific and Kodjia and Davis aren't good enough.

And then the crowds will drop...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 10:12:39 AM
Villa Park will be 'just like being in church'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on August 08, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
Heskey has been seen at the Belfry. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Talksport linked us to Marcos Rojo randomly. 25m so I'd pass on that one, Everton favourites. Would be bizarre if we signed another CB for that ahead of a striker anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Talksport linked us to Marcos Rojo randomly. 25m so I'd pass on that one, Everton favourites. Would be bizarre if we signed another CB for that ahead of a striker anyway.

I was going to mention this. Really cant see this happening. I do hope we get another striker in, a few of our buys are unknowns, well to me anyway!! I do trust the club and Dean at the moment, but dont think Kodja, if needed would be good enough in the Prem.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
Suprised we still have certain players on the books like Bree , BB , Lourve and Tish for example.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2019, 10:47:50 AM
Suprised we still have certain players on the books like Bree , BB , Lourve and Tish for example.

They would all need to take a drop in wages unless we subsidise them as we've no doubt done with Hogan.  It's not so easy to offload them in that situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 08, 2019, 10:48:46 AM
Exactly you can only sell of there is a willing buyer who will meet the transfer and wage demands
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
SJM live on Sky :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
Suprised we still have certain players on the books like Bree , BB , Lourve and Tish for example.

The european and league one transfer window is open until September so we have a few more weeks to unload those four.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
Seems odd that League One has a different transfer window to the Championship. Can someone talk me through the logic of that?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 10:59:40 AM
Heskey has been seen at the Belfry.

Being interviewed for the job of assistant greenkeeper?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 11:01:40 AM
Seems odd that League One has a different transfer window to the Championship. Can someone talk me through the logic of that?

Clubs in the lower leagues with less resources don't have to scramble about wasting time and money. Once the clubs higher up have sorted their business, they know what is left over may be picked up by League One.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 11:03:59 AM
Even so, Championship clubs have less resources than Premier League clubs. Say we sign a striker at five to twelve, it doesn't give much time to loan Kodjia out. He's far too good for League One!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Even so, Championship clubs have less resources than Premier League clubs. Say we sign a striker at five to twelve, it doesn't give much time to loan Kodjia out. He's far too good for League One!

If we sign one at five to twelve I think we'll be keeping Kodjia since the window closed at five!

;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 11:07:42 AM
Ermm... I meant 12 midday, honest!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 11:08:12 AM
Matt Maher (e&s) says nothing close at Villa and it will be a quiet day

His on-line article since suggests that we are very much still trying to get deals done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 08, 2019, 11:12:00 AM
Photo of Purslow and the agent of Ben Yedder and Augustin doing the rounds on FB.

Ben Yedder would be an almighty cherry on top of our transfer window cake, but struggle to see that happening. Augustin far more likely if there is anything in it.

Think we will see at least a striker signed today though.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GarTomas on August 08, 2019, 11:17:43 AM
An Aston Villa player according to Wiki.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 11:41:41 AM
Charlie Austin leaving Southampton for Villa or Palace apparently.

Ian Holloway thinks all three promoted clubs will have a decent season. Even the half arsed club that used to be famous.

He is now issuing a 'PLEASE HELP STEVE' plea (he actually said it twice whilst thumping the desk) live on SKY, begging Newcastle to give Bruce money to spend today. He really does love Bruce doesn't he?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
I thought Charlie Austin was off to the Stripeytwats?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 11:43:08 AM
Austin would be shit imo. Boring signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 08, 2019, 11:43:37 AM
Charlie Austin leaving Southampton for Villa or Palace apparently.

Ian Holloway thinks all three promoted clubs will have a decent season. Even the half arsed club that used to be famous.

He is now issuing a 'PLEASE HELP STEVE' plea (he actually said it twice whilst thumping the desk) live on SKY, begging Newcastle to give Bruce money to spend today. He really does love Bruce doesn't he?

Favourite author.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
I'd be massively underwhelmed by Charlie Austin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villabear on August 08, 2019, 11:46:23 AM
Austin would be shit imo. Boring signing.

Lets hope this is bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2019, 11:47:20 AM
He's at West Brom training ground so safe to say he's signing for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
really hope we don’t regret not getting another striker in. We’re too short in that area for my liking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: lovejoy on August 08, 2019, 12:06:44 PM
We do like a moan. Spend more than anyone and it's still not enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
We do like a moan. Spend more than anyone and it's still not enough.

I think ManYoo have spent more than us. It's like the last days of Ellis all over again...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: papa lazarou on August 08, 2019, 12:15:35 PM
We might only be runners up if we don't sign another striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: lovejoy on August 08, 2019, 12:16:00 PM
We do like a moan. Spend more than anyone and it's still not enough.

I think ManYoo have spent more than us. It's like the last days of Ellis all over again...

Yes thats a great example, moaning we havent quite spent as much as Man Utd now they have McGuire.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 12:21:14 PM
Man U have spent £9.6 million more than us according to Transfermarkt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 12:25:25 PM
Still no breakthrough for #avfc with Benrahma. Unlikely to happen now. Could be a quiet day. Nothing imminent, nothing likely.


Gregg sausage roll Evans
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 08, 2019, 12:25:27 PM
Gregg 2g's Evans say nothing likely to happen, if you believe him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
We do like a moan. Spend more than anyone and it's still not enough.

Nobody is 'moaning' that we haven't spent 'enough' - they're suggesting that we still look a little light up front.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:28:02 PM
Man U have spent £9.6 million more than us according to Transfermarkt.

By the end of the day I reckon they will have raked in a lot more from sales than us so I will be interested in the net figures by the close of play this afternoon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
Deano talking live on Sky in 30 mins

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
Dean Smith due to be interviewed live on Sky Sports News around 1pm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2019, 12:32:01 PM
I wish Dean Smith would talk to SSN.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:32:07 PM
Charlie Austin seems to have become the most sought after player in world football today. He must have a bloody good agent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 12:32:13 PM
Davis has impressed in training by all accounts which is fine as long as he stays fit and Wesley stays fit too . .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:33:19 PM
I wish Dean Smith would talk to SSN.

I have heard rumours he will but keep it to yourself. ;)

You ain't seen me, right?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
Regular prematch press conf today could be fun.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
I wouldnt mind a hour with that Kirsty Edwards..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 12:37:02 PM
If nothing happens today i don't think it's for a lack of trying. I don't think we're really short but we do seem to have an abundance again in certain areas and look light up top. 5 centre backs, 7 centre mids, 3 right backs, 4 goalkeepers and then 7 players total for the 4 attacking positions, not terrible but you'd trade a few players in those other positions for 1 or 2 more attackers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
Andy Carroll to Newcastle looking likely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 08, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
Austin would be shit imo. Boring signing.

Lets hope this is bullshit.

I’d rather Altidore
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 08, 2019, 12:40:28 PM
Scott Carson to Man City gets the strangest move of the day prize.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 12:40:30 PM
Andy Carroll to Newcastle looking inevitable.
FTFY
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Smith will confirm at the press conference that there will be no more players in, but maybe a couple of players leaving.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
Fuck me listening to Ian Holloway is hard work. Is there such a dearth of football intelligence in England that he is the best Sky can do for analysis?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
Sky Sports understands that Dean Smith will be on Sky in 15 minutes.

#skysportsunderstands
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 08, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
People with real intelligence in English Football tend to be in employment with clubs, shit stirring media companies like Sky and Talksport tend to get those who arent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
Scott Carson to Man City gets the strangest move of the day prize.


Not really. Good third choice keeper AKA 'The Stuart Taylor role'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 12:54:27 PM
Looks like Glenn Whelan is signing for Hearts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 08, 2019, 12:56:01 PM
Can a club still sign free agents after the deadline?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 08, 2019, 12:56:31 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: in exile on August 08, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
I wouldnt mind a hour with that Kirsty Edwards..
Like a game of Scrabble do you?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2019, 01:05:24 PM
I wouldnt mind a hour with that Kirsty Edwards..
Like a game of Scrabble do you?




You play quick
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:06:32 PM
Andy Carroll is willing to accept a wage cut to join Newcastle.

I wasn't aware he was earning any wages at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 08, 2019, 01:07:39 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on August 08, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Nada, nothing, zilch.....So far....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on August 08, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
... but who cares , I’m ecstatic at the signings we’ve made. UTV !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?

No poo involved!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?

We signed a load of players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 01:16:17 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?

We signed a load of players.

Loads of players we didn't sign.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?

We signed a load of players.

Press conference is delayed because of late deal for Messi and Mbappe.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
My god Sky Sports News is an exercise in time-filling, as a five minute interview with Neal Maupay will attest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:18:26 PM
Without wanting to sound like an arrogant Wolves fan I would suggest that if Maupay has signed for Brighton we weren't seriously in for him
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 01:18:49 PM
No further incomings today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2019, 01:22:05 PM
Without wanting to sound like an arrogant Wolves fan I would suggest that if Maupay has signed for Brighton we weren't seriously in for him

You can’t be a Wolves fan - your posts are comprehensible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
63% of Newcastle fans are happy they have resigned Carroll according to SKY. Deluded twats.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 08, 2019, 01:22:50 PM
Austin would be shit imo. Boring signing.

Lets hope this is bullshit.

I’d rather Altidore

*Villakicks to the transfer thread! Villakicks to the transfer thread!*
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2019, 01:23:00 PM
No more signings.

Brilliant window, but feel we really needed a 2nd top quality striker. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
63% of Newcastle fans are happy they have resigned Carroll according to SKY. Deluded twats.
"if" he signs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Havencheese on August 08, 2019, 01:24:37 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?
Douglas Luiz wears his hair in a cornrow braid style with peroxide tints, offset by striking piercings in both ears.

Dean Smith, might have a few greys but once a ging, always a ging. No signs of Figo on deadline day, as yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 01:25:39 PM
No more signings.

Brilliant window, but feel we really needed a 2nd top quality striker. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.
There's another transfer window in 4 months so I'm not bothered. I've seen enough of Welsey to believe he can become a hit here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
Another striker would have been good but can’t complain at the overall investment, great window for us. Now let’s get some points.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
Augustin mentioned if Zaha goes from Palace for CPFC , so he must be doable still.   Augustin not Zaha
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 08, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
I haven't read any of this thread. Could someone just give me the highlights please?
Kirsty Edwards...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Keeno on August 08, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Fantastic window. So exciting!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:27:19 PM
I wonder what it is like living in that house right next door to the Crystal Palace training ground.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 01:27:34 PM
I wouldnt mind a hour with that Kirsty Edwards..
Like a game of Scrabble do you?
Id prefer Twister with her
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2019, 01:29:45 PM
A tad disappointed we didn't bring in another striker but am still delighted with the business we've done which for me is far better than I expected us to do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
I wanted another striker but it's not to be and we can address it in January if needs be.  We've got plenty of other new players though so it'll be interesting to see which make an impact.  I still really don't know much about any of them.  Tough, competitive fixtures is where we'll find out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
well thats it

Smith said no more


lets hope Wes does the biz
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2019, 01:35:08 PM
Can't complain. I think we've set the stall now. There's always January if we can't push that extra winger/striker over the line. I think Kodjia has enough about him on his day to prove useful still too. It's a question of fitness for him, but I think the Prem could suit him more than the Championship. He can pull off something unexpected which might help us out some games. I think there's a big onus on midfield to chip in significant numbers, and if Davis isn't great in front of goal, he's quite good with his back to it, so he'll also have his uses.

Few hours to go yet, but lets see. As is, I'm more than happy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
I’m glad we didn’t pulled into some crazy deal at the deadline just to make a statement that we might have regretted. It’s been an absolutely superb window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
I would have liked another striker in but can't complain overall. We've done much more than I thought we would.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on August 08, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
well thats it

Smith said no more


lets hope Wes does the biz
Did DS say anything about any one leaving?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
I would have liked another striker in but can't complain overall. We've done much more than I thought we would.

Same here.  I think it is a risk going into the first half of the season with no more forwards, but we'll have to trust that Smith and the rest know what they're doing.  Haven't looked forward to a season starting as much as this in many a long year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2019, 01:46:24 PM
Our time in the Premiership post Milner suggested one thing: You're only as good as your midfield.  Doesn't matter who you have up front, or who you have at the back and in goal if the midfield isn't fit for purpose. It's your engine and it's what contributes significantly to both ends of the pitch. We never had that right and sorely lacked the quality and it directly affected us as an attacking unit and most definitely didn't help us defensively (as all too often mediocre players were left isolated by a non-existent mid). 

For me, what delights me most about this window is that we've added to what was a very talented core of players in Grealish, Hourihane and McGinn. We've replaced a couple of aging  defensive mids with Douglas and Marvellous, who both seem to have graft as well as quality. Meanwhile out wide we've secured three talented players in Trezeguet, El Ghazi and Jota.

Signs in pre-season are certainly promising.
I really hope Wesley hits the ground running but I'm certainly very confident in what's behind him. But it's not just that we've signed a lot of players who look pretty decent, we've signed players who should all conceivably fit together, rather than just signing a mismatched hodgepodge of players with no cohesive idea of how to fit them together.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2019, 01:46:36 PM
Any half decent forwards not called Andy Carroll still out of contract?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 01:48:37 PM
Sturridge
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:49:06 PM
I would have liked another striker in but can't complain overall. We've done much more than I thought we would.

Same here.  I think it is a risk going into the first half of the season with no more forwards, but we'll have to trust that Smith and the rest know what they're doing.  Haven't looked forward to a season starting as much as this in many a long year.


Unfortunately I got very excited about all the transfer business we did in the summer before we got relegated (both in 1986 and 2015).

I am also clinging onto Deano's comment "We are pretty much done" and hoping that means possibly a striker by 5pm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
Sturridge gives off the vibe that he enjoys football as much as Gabby post 2013 did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2019, 01:53:26 PM
Gutted about  Benrahma but it reinforces the club's policy on not being held to ransom.

Not bothered about a striker because the ones we were linked with didn't appear prolific judging by their stats.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2019, 01:54:33 PM
I'm very surprised Benrahma will remain at Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2019, 01:55:04 PM
The guy at Liverpool's training ground has just said "Well, it was interesting talking to Jurgen Klopp earlier wasn't it"? I hope he was being sarcastic because it lasted two minutes and didn't tell anybody anything. It was a total non interview and I don't know why Klopp even bothered turning up and sitting down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 08, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
Big risk going into the season with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis as our striking options. Wesley is unknown and could struggle to get double figures and no chance are Davis and Kodjia Premier League quality. We've had a brilliant window but goals will keep us up and I can't see where they're going to come from.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 02:03:37 PM
I nearly said it on here last night when someone mentioned him, but trying to get Carroll back to Newcastle is so typical and predictable of lazy Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 08, 2019, 02:05:53 PM
Its a legitimate point about lack of striking depth. Lot of pressure on Wesley to hit the ground running and not get injured.

We look very strong in goalkeeping, defense and midfield and wuite strong in wide areas. We'll need to see plenty of goals from those areas. Which with the strength we have in players like Luiz and Nakamba, should free up Jack and SJM to contribute more.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pooligan on August 08, 2019, 02:08:55 PM
It would worry me if we have to rely on just Wesley,Jimmy Danger and Davies as our strikers .Apart from not knowing if they can cut it in the Premier ,it is also a worry about injuries ,suspensions etc .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
Our time in the Premiership post Milner suggested one thing: You're only as good as your midfield.  Doesn't matter who you have up front, or who you have at the back and in goal if the midfield isn't fit for purpose. It's your engine and it's what contributes significantly to both ends of the pitch. We never had that right and sorely lacked the quality and it directly affected us as an attacking unit and most definitely didn't help us defensively (as all too often mediocre players were left isolated by a non-existent mid). 

For me, what delights me most about this window is that we've added to what was a very talented core of players in Grealish, Hourihane and McGinn. We've replaced a couple of aging  defensive mids with Douglas and Marvellous, who both seem to have graft as well as quality. Meanwhile out wide we've secured three talented players in Trezeguet, El Ghazi and Jota.

Signs in pre-season are certainly promising.
I really hope Wesley hits the ground running but I'm certainly very confident in what's behind him. But it's not just that we've signed a lot of players who look pretty decent, we've signed players who should all conceivably fit together, rather than just signing a mismatched hodgepodge of players with no cohesive idea of how to fit them together.

Couldn’t agree more with your points on the midfield

when was the last time we had a midfield with quality all over it and options to boot
donkeys years that’s when
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
James Bree close to Luton on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
Isn't that Gary Cotterill a simpering, gurning fucking idiot?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2019, 02:13:53 PM
Big risk going into the season with Wesley, Kodjia and Davis as our striking options. Wesley is unknown and could struggle to get double figures and no chance are Davis and Kodjia Premier League quality. We've had a brilliant window but goals will keep us up and I can't see where they're going to come from.

Hoping Deano might be being a bit cagey and we will get a deal done for a striker before the deadline because I agree that it is a risk to go into the season with just those three options, especially as Kodjia and Davis have suffered with injuries quite a bit.

I thought Hogan going out on loan would signal someone else coming in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 08, 2019, 02:16:11 PM
OK, we might be a striker short, but the squad is immeasurably better than it has been for yonks - and I'm going back to when we were last in the First Division (struggle with this EPL bollocks).

This season we will play square pegs in square square holes etc. and not as we had been doing pre DS fielding teams that  were unbalanced with no clear structure or game plan.

Smith turned a squad of underperforming players with no confidence into a unified team.

He's been strengthening throughout and has
assembled a squad to play in the style he thinks will be successful.

Villa getting back to where  we all wamt to be is a long term project and there will be defeats and poor performance on the way,   but before we start kicking off we should pause for a moment and ask ourselves - where would we rather be?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 02:17:01 PM
Llorente is available....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
Our time in the Premiership post Milner suggested one thing: You're only as good as your midfield.  Doesn't matter who you have up front, or who you have at the back and in goal if the midfield isn't fit for purpose. It's your engine and it's what contributes significantly to both ends of the pitch. We never had that right and sorely lacked the quality and it directly affected us as an attacking unit and most definitely didn't help us defensively (as all too often mediocre players were left isolated by a non-existent mid). 

For me, what delights me most about this window is that we've added to what was a very talented core of players in Grealish, Hourihane and McGinn. We've replaced a couple of aging  defensive mids with Douglas and Marvellous, who both seem to have graft as well as quality. Meanwhile out wide we've secured three talented players in Trezeguet, El Ghazi and Jota.

Signs in pre-season are certainly promising.
I really hope Wesley hits the ground running but I'm certainly very confident in what's behind him. But it's not just that we've signed a lot of players who look pretty decent, we've signed players who should all conceivably fit together, rather than just signing a mismatched hodgepodge of players with no cohesive idea of how to fit them together.

The thing I like most about our midfield options at the moment, is that it doesn't feel like there's a weak link (obviously not seem them play in the league together). Dean could pick pretty much any five from Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane, Luiz, Nakamba, El Ghazi, Jota and Trez and have the other three on the bench and we've definitely got quality on the pitch and strong options to change it.

It feels like it's been a long while since we could say that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 08, 2019, 02:17:33 PM
No more signings.

Brilliant window, but feel we really needed a 2nd top quality striker. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.
There's another transfer window in 4 months so I'm not bothered. I've seen enough of Welsey to believe he can become a hit here.

Pretty much what Dean said, this is just the start
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
Isn't that Gary Cotterill a simpering, gurning fucking idiot?

I had to look up who you mean but yes i agree, a simpering, gurning, bumbling fuck wit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2019, 02:23:13 PM
I’m not bothered about Hogan going out

he doesn’t really leave us one short because he was shit and I would rather go with other attacking players in a different formation than having to rely on him

seeing him come wobbling on in any game in the premier league would fill me with doom no matter how short we were for centre forwards
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
Saido Berahino appears to be taking a barge to Waregem, where he is signing to Zulte.

No word on any onward travel to Enschede or Malmo.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
The side has been set up to score lots of goals from all over the place. I think Wes will come good and chip in with his fair share too. The big thing is keeping Wes fit and away from suspensions but generally I think we will be absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 02:32:08 PM
Not a complaint, just an observation.
We appear to have more goalies than strikers now.

Maybe Kalinic can play upfront?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2019, 02:32:40 PM

Very disappointed with no other striker coming in. Big risk to rely on young Wesley as none of us have a clue how long it will take him to find his feet. I've got ZERO confidence in either Davis or Kodjia becoming PL class all of a sudden either.

Seems odd to spend all that money getting other areas of the team competitive and then leaving the most important department short.

Hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the arse. Without goals in this league you don't survive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villabear on August 08, 2019, 02:34:37 PM
Isn't that Gary Cotterill a simpering, gurning fucking idiot?

I had to look up who you mean but yes i agree, a simpering, gurning, bumbling fuck wit.

Could be worse it could be Chris (I don't hate the Villa honest) Skudder.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2019, 02:37:21 PM
We could still get someone like Daniel Sturridge in, so I don't think it's disastrous if we don't sign a striker.

Kodjia and Elmo can also play as wingers if required, so we're certainly not in a terrible place. And if we don't make any signings today, it surely means that there'll be money in the coffers to dip into in January...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 08, 2019, 02:39:42 PM

Very disappointed with no other striker coming in. Big risk to rely on young Wesley as none of us have a clue how long it will take him to find his feet. I've got ZERO confidence in either Davis or Kodjia becoming PL class all of a sudden either.

Seems odd to spend all that money getting other areas of the team competitive and then leaving the most important department short.

Hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the arse. Without goals in this league you don't survive.
This.

Mind you, even the decent Villa sides over the years have always seemed to me to need another striker!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: murgsy on August 08, 2019, 02:40:33 PM
I think we are relying on goals to come from midfield. While we are saying that Kodija and Davis might not be good enough - I think that taking a last-minute 25/30 mil (no idea about wages demands) gamble on Ben Yedder or Diagne might have been more dangerous. There's always January...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: passitsideways on August 08, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
Plenty of teams have survived comfortably without having a striker that one would look at and feel confident about them getting double figures, and plenty of teams have gotten relegated despite having a fairly prolific goalscorer. It's not ideal that the squad might be short a striker but there's no clear-cut evidence that it's any less damaging than, say, an unreliable back four or weak midfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
Llorente is available....

Wouldn't be against him but he was on silly money at Spurs, over £100k a week I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 08, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
Davis never looks like scoring goals, whether that be in the Championship or pre season so the geezer has got no chance in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
Davis never looks like scoring goals, whether that be in the Championship or pre season so the geezer has got no chance in the Premier League.

Yet the coaching staff have seen enough from him that they didn't want to let him go despite numerous enquiries.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 08, 2019, 03:02:08 PM
Last season Murray scored 13 including 4 penalties, Richarlison 13, Barnes 12, Perez 12. If Wes can come up with 11-12 including penalties I think we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nev on August 08, 2019, 03:11:51 PM
If Wesley works out we'll be ok, if the midfield weigh in we'll be ok. If not, I can see us in the market for a striker come January, lack of goals has sunk many a team over the years,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
There has to be a point where you go yeah, I'm really happy with what we've done and end it there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Border villan on August 08, 2019, 03:29:53 PM
Over the next 48 hours we all need to sit down and reflect on the last year at Villa Park.
This time 12 months ago most of us were in the depths of despair 😩 not knowing what if any future our great club had.
We need to appreciate the outstanding progress we have made both on and off the pitch and look forward to a season where, despite some inevitable setbacks, we will continue on the journey to our rightful position as the premier club in English football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 03:30:12 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 08, 2019, 03:32:41 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

It wasn't an either/or.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2019, 03:34:02 PM
What do people define as "Wes working out"?  I mean, last season only Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Leicester had any player score 15 or more goals.  Everyone there except Leicester had realistic league title hopes at the start of the season.  I don't think we're quite there yet (maybe next year!).

I think anything close to or above double figures from Wes would be great, especially if we're still scoring from other positions.  There are players who've scored lots of goals but do very little else for the team (like Darren Bent) and there are players who don't score than many, but do a lot to help the team score (like Heskey).  No idea if Wes will turn out like either of these, but I don't think his goals scored stat will be the be-all and end-all when we're assessing if he's been a success.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

It wasn't an either/or.
Pretty sure Konsa will be an excellent signing for us for many years to come. Can’t fault any of our transfer business this summer even if we are a bit light up front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
The certainty that some have that Davis and Kodjia will be of no use next season has no firm basis and is unfair. Davis is a young kid who has generally shown himself to have a decent attitude on the pitch, he looks like a handful and a good team player. He will only get better. If he'd gone out on loan and we'd have got someone in i would have been fine with it, but i'm also not too worried about him staying and being an understudy to Wesley. If someone else had come in for big money and hardly played they would probably have been unsettled anyway.
In addition we also have Kodjia who is still in his peak, he looked every bit a player that could play in the PL in his first season with us and then he got injured. He hasn't returned to his best yet but he was played out of position for the most part last season and it takes some players a while to come back fully, look at Fabian Delph.
It is possible that they could both look out of place at this level but they won't begin the season as starters anyway, the window opens again in January so it's not the end of the world. The point is that no one can know for sure as neither have had the chance to try till now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2019, 03:45:20 PM
The certainty that some have that Davis and Kodjia will be of no use next season has no firm basis and is unfair. Davis is a young kid who has generally shown himself to have a decent attitude on the pitch, he looks like a handful and a good team player. He will only get better. If he'd gone out on loan and we'd have got someone in i would have been fine with it, but i'm also not too worried about him staying and being an understudy to Wesley. If someone else had come in for big money and hardly played they would probably have been unsettled anyway.
In addition we also have Kodjia who is still in his peak, he looked every bit a player that could play in the PL in his first season with us and then he got injured. He hasn't returned to his best yet but he was played out of position for the most part last season and it takes some players a while to come back fully, look at Fabian Delph.
It is possible that they could both look out of place at this level but they won't begin the season as starters anyway, the window opens again in January so it's not the end of the world. The point is that no one can know for sure as neither have had the chance to try till now.
Agree with your first paragraph, but I don't see Kodjia as a Premier League player.
I think Smith sees our attacking line-up being a combination of Wes as link-man and - at times - playing without a recognised striker; using our midfielders and wingers in more forward roles.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 03:46:38 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

It wasn't an either/or.
Pretty sure Konsa will be an excellent signing for us for many years to come. Can’t fault any of our transfer business this summer even if we are a bit light up front.

There are goals all over the team so I'm not stressing. Yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 08, 2019, 03:48:30 PM
Dean Smith was canny enough to bring in players on loan last year with a view to a permanent move - not seen that yet have we this window?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 03:53:00 PM
Dean Smith was canny enough to bring in players on loan last year with a view to a permanent move - not seen that yet have we this window?

On the other hand training our own youngsters up like Davis rather than Chelsea's or Man Yoo's or anyone elses is surely a good thing. I hope with the infrastructure and money we now have at the club we've seen the last of that unless there is an extremely good reason which can only be a major benefit to us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
Dean Smith was canny enough to bring in players on loan last year with a view to a permanent move - not seen that yet have we this window?
But has said no more business less than 2 hours ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nuninho on August 08, 2019, 04:08:49 PM
Birkir Bjarnsson has left. Mutual termination according to official twitter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 04:13:49 PM
The certainty that some have that Davis and Kodjia will be of no use next season has no firm basis and is unfair. Davis is a young kid who has generally shown himself to have a decent attitude on the pitch, he looks like a handful and a good team player. He will only get better. If he'd gone out on loan and we'd have got someone in i would have been fine with it, but i'm also not too worried about him staying and being an understudy to Wesley. If someone else had come in for big money and hardly played they would probably have been unsettled anyway.
In addition we also have Kodjia who is still in his peak, he looked every bit a player that could play in the PL in his first season with us and then he got injured. He hasn't returned to his best yet but he was played out of position for the most part last season and it takes some players a while to come back fully, look at Fabian Delph.
It is possible that they could both look out of place at this level but they won't begin the season as starters anyway, the window opens again in January so it's not the end of the world. The point is that no one can know for sure as neither have had the chance to try till now.
Agree with your first paragraph, but I don't see Kodjia as a Premier League player.
I think Smith sees our attacking line-up being a combination of Wes as link-man and - at times - playing without a recognised striker; using our midfielders and wingers in more forward roles.

I dont know for certain that Kodja or Davis wont be any good in the premier league, its an opinion. Interesting that Kodja has never played in the top division, until his first appearance. Just as you dont know for certainty that they will be good enough, again your opinion, this is what these forums are for. What I do know is that I hope you are right, and I am badly wrong
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 04:20:51 PM
I trust the management. We will be OK. I have a feeling Trezeguet can be played as a CF also BTW. If we need to do it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Baldy on August 08, 2019, 04:23:57 PM
Will be a nightmare for opposition defences if we play without an orthodox striker. Their centre half's wont know whether to 'stick or twist'. Then they get hit by the 'charge of the light brigade'. I love it, I just love it.  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2019, 04:24:24 PM
Any chance we can get any dosh for the outgoing players rather than giving them away?! Can BB have been on such big wages that we couldn't sell or even loan him somewhere?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Unfortunately that’s the problem with buying crap players on high wages.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
Yep - but we might be able to get a few bob for one of our 30 or so goalkeepers before the European window closes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Did anyone mention Scott Carson to City on loan for a year?  :o

Is there some English player requirement they need to satisfy?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 04:30:17 PM
The certainty that some have that Davis and Kodjia will be of no use next season has no firm basis and is unfair. Davis is a young kid who has generally shown himself to have a decent attitude on the pitch, he looks like a handful and a good team player. He will only get better. If he'd gone out on loan and we'd have got someone in i would have been fine with it, but i'm also not too worried about him staying and being an understudy to Wesley. If someone else had come in for big money and hardly played they would probably have been unsettled anyway.
In addition we also have Kodjia who is still in his peak, he looked every bit a player that could play in the PL in his first season with us and then he got injured. He hasn't returned to his best yet but he was played out of position for the most part last season and it takes some players a while to come back fully, look at Fabian Delph.
It is possible that they could both look out of place at this level but they won't begin the season as starters anyway, the window opens again in January so it's not the end of the world. The point is that no one can know for sure as neither have had the chance to try till now.
Agree with your first paragraph, but I don't see Kodjia as a Premier League player.
I think Smith sees our attacking line-up being a combination of Wes as link-man and - at times - playing without a recognised striker; using our midfielders and wingers in more forward roles.

I dont know for certain that Kodja or Davis wont be any good in the premier league, its an opinion. Interesting that Kodja has never played in the top division, until his first appearance. Just as you dont know for certainty that they will be good enough, again your opinion, this is what these forums are for. What I do know is that I hope you are right, and I am badly wrong

I'm not saying with any certainty they will be good enough, but i can't understand why anyone can say with certainty that they won't if you consider the points i mentioned. I could understand it if talking about someone who's always been crap for us like Hogan, or even Lansbury for that matter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Did that cheesy pun infested twat Gary Cotterill really just do that Drinkwater gag?! 🙈
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
Has Bree gone to mature at Luton?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
Has Bree gone to mature at Luton?

😂😂😂
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 04:34:38 PM
Any chance we can get any dosh for the outgoing players rather than giving them away?! Can BB have been on such big wages that we couldn't sell or even loan him somewhere?

Who knows, guess he was, we did pay big wages. I agree its odd but there you go...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2019, 04:42:31 PM
He was on approx £25k a week apparently, not a massive amount but he's got no resale value after this window with his contract being up next year so maybe both just decided it was best for both him and the club to go now rather than spend the season hardly playing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 04:44:49 PM
So, that's our players pretty much confirmed.

Leaves us with the squad below, we need to choose twenty-five of whom at least eight must be "Home Grown". Players aged 21 or under as of 1st January 2019 don't count against the 25 so we can field as many of those as we like.

* = Home Grown
** = under-21

GOALKEEPERS
Heaton*
Steer*
Kalinic
Nyland

DEFENDERS
Guilbert
Elmohamady
Bree**
Konsa**
Engels
Mings*
Chester*
Hause*
Taylor*
Targett*

MIDFIELDERS
McGinn
Douglas Luiz**
Makamba
Lansbury*
Hourihane*
Grealish*
O'Hare**
Tshibola*

WINGERS
Trezeguet
El Ghazi
Jota

FORWARDS
Wesley
Kodjia
Davis**

29 players total, five can be discounted from the quota as under-21. Eleven "Home Grown" players so no problem there.

So yeah, basically fine. Even if Tshibola and a goalkeeper leave, as I expect. We can bring in another player in the next transfer window and up to three unless we are planning on keeping Tshibola and four goalkeepers, which seems a tad excessive.

That was a bit of a pointless exercise but killed a few work minutes as I count down to fucking off time.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
The certainty that some have that Davis and Kodjia will be of no use next season has no firm basis and is unfair. Davis is a young kid who has generally shown himself to have a decent attitude on the pitch, he looks like a handful and a good team player. He will only get better. If he'd gone out on loan and we'd have got someone in i would have been fine with it, but i'm also not too worried about him staying and being an understudy to Wesley. If someone else had come in for big money and hardly played they would probably have been unsettled anyway.
In addition we also have Kodjia who is still in his peak, he looked every bit a player that could play in the PL in his first season with us and then he got injured. He hasn't returned to his best yet but he was played out of position for the most part last season and it takes some players a while to come back fully, look at Fabian Delph.
It is possible that they could both look out of place at this level but they won't begin the season as starters anyway, the window opens again in January so it's not the end of the world. The point is that no one can know for sure as neither have had the chance to try till now.
Agree with your first paragraph, but I don't see Kodjia as a Premier League player.
I think Smith sees our attacking line-up being a combination of Wes as link-man and - at times - playing without a recognised striker; using our midfielders and wingers in more forward roles.

I dont know for certain that Kodja or Davis wont be any good in the premier league, its an opinion. Interesting that Kodja has never played in the top division, until his first appearance. Just as you dont know for certainty that they will be good enough, again your opinion, this is what these forums are for. What I do know is that I hope you are right, and I am badly wrong

I'm not saying with any certainty they will be good enough, but i can't understand why anyone can say with certainty that they won't if you consider the points i mentioned. I could understand it if talking about someone who's always been crap for us like Hogan, or even Lansbury for that matter.

I get that and understand completely what you are saying. Personally I would have been happy, not that I am sad, if another striker had come in who had more experience either in the premier league or a competitive european league, even if it was a loan, and I dont mean Charlie Austin! Easy for me sat at my keyboard saying this but if I was to be concerned it would be in this area. Anyway I really hope I am being a drama queen / king. Got to get this terminology correct.  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 04:46:33 PM
He was on approx £25k a week apparently, not a massive amount but he's got no resale value after this window with his contract being up next year so maybe both just decided it was best for both him and the club to go now rather than spend the season hardly playing.

Ok thanks
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 08, 2019, 04:58:18 PM
Still plenty of time to ship Tish out to a League 1 team or back to Scotland.

Also, I expect one of the keepers to go abroad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 08, 2019, 04:58:32 PM
Birkir Bjarnsson has left. Mutual termination according to official twitter.

Toon bound, would be my prediction.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 05:00:28 PM
Belotti didn't happen then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
So, that's our players pretty much confirmed.

Leaves us with the squad below, we need to choose twenty-five of whom at least eight must be "Home Grown". Players aged 21 or under as of 1st January 2019 don't count against the 25 so we can field as many of those as we like.

* = Home Grown
** = under-21

GOALKEEPERS
Heaton*
Steer*
Kalinic
Nyland

DEFENDERS
Guilbert
Elmohamady
Bree**
Konsa**
Engels
Mings*
Chester*
Hause*
Taylor*
Targett*

MIDFIELDERS
McGinn
Douglas Luiz**
Makamba
Lansbury*
Hourihane*
Grealish*
O'Hare**
Tshibola*

WINGERS
Trezeguet
El Ghazi
Jota

FORWARDS
Wesley
Kodjia
Davis**

29 players total, five can be discounted from the quota as under-21. Eleven "Home Grown" players so no problem there.

So yeah, basically fine. Even if Tshibola and a goalkeeper leave, as I expect. We can bring in another player in the next transfer window and up to three unless we are planning on keeping Tshibola and four goalkeepers, which seems a tad excessive.

That was a bit of a pointless exercise but killed a few work minutes as I count down to fucking off time.




If the worst does happen we can always put Mings as an emergency striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eddiemunster on August 08, 2019, 05:06:59 PM
Transfer window closed, except for any deals still ongoing (two hours to finalise any deals after window has closed).
So we go with what we've got,till January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: p_ad on August 08, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
Boooo! no extra striker Deano out. ;-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2019, 05:11:50 PM
Super transfer window , complete but necessary transformation of the squad. We have bought a number of unproven players but for once recruitment is clearly aligned to a coherent plan. Can focus on Saturday now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

top player for the future . We would have bought a striker if there was one DS wanted for the right money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 08, 2019, 05:18:22 PM
I'm a bit surprised we haven't bought another forward, but it's been a great window, no panic buying, we seem to have a long term plan of the type of player we want. In Deano we trust.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on August 08, 2019, 05:50:13 PM
We are in a much better position going into this season than we have been for many a long year. Yes we could probably do with another option up front, but until I see the system that Smith wants to play I'm happy to reserve judgement. I couldn't envisage us doing this level of business at the end of the season. Respect due to the owners and operating team for identifying their manager and then backing him to the hilt to build, what looks like, a competitive squad. Whisper it quietly but I think we might get through a couple of rounds of the cup too!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2019, 05:50:22 PM
I’m nervous that we’ve bet the farm on Wesley.  It would be churlish to moan given what we have spent,  but I would have been a lot happier if we’d got Maupay or Benrahma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
Could be worse - we could be like Everton, spending £40m on Alex Iwobi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
Is he bad? I turned off the Prem when we got relegated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: exigo on August 08, 2019, 06:07:03 PM
According to the BBC:
There were six deal sheets involving Premier League clubs for potential transfers.

These can be confirmed up until 7pm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2019, 06:07:18 PM
Is he bad? I turned off the Prem when we got relegated.

No, but I'm sure his surname is pronounced 'meh'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
That squad list show how much attention I've been paying.  I thought we'd signed loads of wingers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
According to the BBC:
There were six deal sheets involving Premier League clubs for potential transfers.

These can be confirmed up until 7pm.

#AnnounceIcardi
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
The forward line is short and there's no denying that. Which is not the biggest problem - except that we're very unlikely to be keeping many clean sheets and so scoring goals will be extremely important to staying up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 06:16:06 PM
Is he bad? I turned off the Prem when we got relegated.

He's probably fine if you knocked a zero off what they are paying.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: levico on August 08, 2019, 06:17:26 PM
The lack of an additional striker is a slight concern but I’m sure DS knows what he’s doing. Let’s face it if he gets off to a poor start he can’t expect too much mercy from the new owners. He wouldn’t take that risk.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on August 08, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
I'd have liked another forward but I'm glad they went without than just doing a deadline day 'get anyone' ala Charlie Austin. Big pressure on Wes but there always was.

I'm backing Kodj. He's nuts, but on reflection he provided some good cameos off the bench last year.

All in all a very well executed window. Time will tell how good it was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2019, 06:23:21 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

top player for the future . We would have bought a striker if there was one DS wanted for the right money.


That’s my point. We have four centre backs for the two positions. Do you spend the £12 million on a player who will be top quality in the future or do you put the £12 million to what ever have to purchase a striker that we clearly need now? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: MoetVillan on August 08, 2019, 06:30:26 PM
We have had CB problems for years, last year under Bruce, the highest goals against column. In the football league. I can’t argue with any of the signings, I’m very excited about Konsa. I don’t think it was a toss up between CB and another striker anyway, but for the record, I don’t think 12m gets you much up front anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2019, 06:33:48 PM
I don’t think signing Konsa for £12 million and leaving the frontline so short was a particularly good idea.

top player for the future . We would have bought a striker if there was one DS wanted for the right money.


That’s my point. We have four centre backs for the two positions. Do you spend the £12 million on a player who will be top quality in the future or do you put the £12 million to what ever have to purchase a striker that we clearly need now? Time will tell.

he obviously didnt think Benrahma was worth £25 million and only wanted to pay £15 million , which is the right thing to do . Same with a striker , Im sure he thinks there will be enough goals will come from Trez , El Ghazi , Kodja , SJM , Conor , Jack and Wes if the system is right .    Im disapointed we didnt get Benrahma but I can wait till Jan :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 08, 2019, 06:34:02 PM
Over the next 48 hours we all need to sit down and reflect on the last year at Villa Park.
This time 12 months ago most of us were in the depths of despair 😩 not knowing what if any future our great club had.
We need to appreciate the outstanding progress we have made both on and off the pitch and look forward to a season where, despite some inevitable setbacks, we will continue on the journey to our rightful position as the premier club in English football.


This.

We just need to keep the faith and back the team in the same way that the owners have backed Deano.

Next season we need to stick together - fans and players - and propel The World's Greatest Football Club back to where it belongs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised with Sturridge on a years deal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2019, 06:37:14 PM
We actually have 5 centre backs but you need 4 anyway. Konsa will be the long term replacement for Chester IMO, so I think it's fine.
The 4 goalkeepers and 7 centre mids is a bit silly but we've already lost one of the centre mids in Thor, if Toss goes that's another one so would be left with 5 which is ok. Offload a keeper to make it 3 of those and in addition to Bree going it'll be trimmed sufficiently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised with Sturridge on a years deal

I'd have quite liked that too.  Fit, he's a very good player indeed.  Obviously, he's not fit very often, but a one year deal like Carroll has signed at Newcastle wouldn't be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 07:10:35 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised with Sturridge on a years deal

Something you'd like to tell us, Vinnie? I trust your mate will clear his agenda for the week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 08, 2019, 07:14:10 PM
Players can still be shipped out as other countries transfer windows have not shut and some won't do so for a few weeks yet. So quite possible that either Kalinic or Nyland could go.
Also I think League 1 & 2 clubs can take players on loan until the end of this month.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2019, 07:16:19 PM
Sturridge was linked in one of the papers today, can sign after the deadline.

I too can see that happening.

As good as transfer window looks on paper I'd say it feels one CB heavy and one striker light. Midfield and out wide is fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
I'm in the "one striker short" camp but I don't think Sturridge is a good idea.  Serious fitness problems, streaky goalscoring record, I suspect motivational problems and presumably big wages.

I'd be amazed if it happened.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 07:43:39 PM
Sod it then, offer Sturridge a one year deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 08, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
I'm in the "one striker short" camp but I don't think Sturridge is a good idea.  Serious fitness problems, streaky goalscoring record, I suspect motivational problems and presumably big wages.

I'd be amazed if it happened.
I'd rather take back Gabby or Darius Vassell :(
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 08, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
TRUST...there’s always January 🦁🦁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Goalkeeper:

Heaton, Steer, Kalinic, Nyland

Left back:

Targett, Taylor

Right back:

Guilbert, Elmo

Centre half:

Mings, Engles, Konsa, House, Chester

Defensive/Holding Midfield:

Marvelous, Luiz, Hourihane(1)

Number 8/Attacking Midfield:

Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane(2), O'Hare, Jota(2), Lansbury

Wingers:

Trezuguet, El Ghazi, Jota(1), Kodjia(2)

Forwards:

Wesley, Kodjia(1), Davis

I think we're looking pretty decent, save one light mobile player up top.

I think we compare favourably with Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle, Norwich and Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2019, 08:10:01 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/ZcFGQ91/17056842-7336995-image-a-1-1565282268397.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZcFGQ91)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 08, 2019, 08:12:32 PM
I'm in the "one striker short" camp but I don't think Sturridge is a good idea.  Serious fitness problems, streaky goalscoring record, I suspect motivational problems and presumably big wages.

I'd be amazed if it happened.
I'd rather take back Gabby or Darius Vassell :(

Or Martin Carruthers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2019, 08:13:27 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 08, 2019, 08:14:56 PM
I'm assuming Trezegeut can play through the middle also, otherwise RHM Green and Hogan would not have gone out on loan.

No thanks to Sturridge btw, signing him to cover for injuries is about as foolproof as employing Mr Blobby as a tattoo artist.*

If it's an ex Liverpool, proven premier league goal scorer, free agent we're after, let's offer Mario Balotelli a contract.  Haha!

*I'll backtrack on this rapidly if he signs although I'd honestly rather just find out what Davis is made of and see if Kodja is fired up being in the big league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 08:24:30 PM
I always thought Sturridge would play for us one day but it’s about 5 years too late. Given his injury issues, and some have mentioned a questionnable attitude, he should only be considered on a strictly pay as you play only basis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 08:26:04 PM
It's been a great window.  The signings of Mings, Heaton and Luiz are fantastic.  I honestly can't argue or be negative in any way against any of the signings this summer.  I look forward to seeing Dean Smith pitting his wits against Premier Division Managers and looking to win rather than defend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2019, 08:26:44 PM
I'm in the "one striker short" camp but I don't think Sturridge is a good idea.  Serious fitness problems, streaky goalscoring record, I suspect motivational problems and presumably big wages.

I'd be amazed if it happened.

He wouldn't be my choice either, his loan at West Brom last season was dreadful. Didn't score and had I think three seperate injuries.

If we did sign him he'd be on the bench and need to prove his fitness and goalscoring coming off. If he can't I imagine we'd put in an option to release him in January.

Only if we get Tom Fox back as contract dealer would we go mad and give him 3-4 year deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 08:29:56 PM
I might have taken Carroll on a pay as you play deal.  Sturridge can be class but he's another miserable looking fucker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
Some things never change.

5pm transfer window "slams" shut
8.03pm Arsenal sign David Luiz
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 08, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
I'd take a punt on sturridge. He's a talent but just don't expect himto play more than 1in 3

 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 08:34:51 PM
The other caveat would be that his crap goal celebration is banned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
Bringing in Sturridge would be a huge mistake and one we won’t make.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
I’ve got to be honest, I’m deeply disappointed that the £50m United paid us for McGinn wasn’t reinvested in a really top striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
That list from Olaftab makes interesting reading.  Brighton spending 63 mill!  Everton, for all their posturing only spent 20mill.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
That list from Olaftab makes interesting reading.  Brighton spending 63 mill!  Everton, for all their posturing only spent 20mill.

It doesn't include the 30-40m they're about to spend on Iwobi though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2019, 09:03:09 PM
That list from Olaftab makes interesting reading.  Brighton spending 63 mill!  Everton, for all their posturing only spent 20mill.

It doesn't include the 30-40m they're about to spend on Iwobi though.

That's true Dave, I hadn't thought of that.  Not that's he's that good either though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 08, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
Bringing in Sturridge would be a huge mistake and one we won’t make.

You would think after the Micah Richards disaster everyone would want to steer well clear of Sturridge
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2019, 09:18:08 PM
That list from Olaftab makes interesting reading.  Brighton spending 63 mill!  Everton, for all their posturing only spent 20mill.

It doesn't include the 30-40m they're about to spend on Iwobi though.

That's true Dave, I hadn't thought of that.  Not that's he's that good either though.
 

How in the hell is Iwobi worth upwards of 40 million? He is just okay.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TustinCAFan on August 08, 2019, 09:26:39 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.
You are right, but we got rid of payroll cost of those who were out of contract.  Those on loan probably reduce cashflow and in many cases help build their experience and value.  Most notably, Jota's price was a bargain in return for us losing Gary Gardner.  Overall, I am very impressed with the off-season.  In addition, we got most in the squad early, so hopefully we're ready for the new season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 08, 2019, 09:32:03 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.

Went to the firdt page by mistake. But couldn't resist digging this one out.

Paul e, was signing 10 -12 players a mistake?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2019, 09:32:20 PM
Yeah I definitely don’t think it’s the fault of this regime, or a lack of nous this transfer window. I guess it struck me that we got promoted with a squad full of old men and misfiring clunkers that are so bad nobody will pay a fee for them, thanks to the incompetence of the last lot.

More power to smith and the decent players for dragging us up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
Man U sold Lukaku so we are back above them as the biggest spending English club this transfer window (nett). Only Real Madrid spent more than us worldwide (though, admittedly, lots of foreign leagues can still buy players).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
£40m for Iwobi is crazy. I don't feel like we got bumped for any of our players really.

Does anyone have any sort of list to out of contract strikers that we could possibly offer a deal to? Berahino doesn't have a club  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KRS on August 08, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
Out of contract forwards:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=Sturm&spielerposition_id=14&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 08, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.

Went to the firdt page by mistake. But couldn't resist digging this one out.

Paul e, was signing 10 -12 players a mistake?
He's right though: £10-12M for Hause, Mings and El Ghazi would have been a bargain.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
Balotelli it is then  ;)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
Out of contract forwards:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=Sturm&spielerposition_id=14&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show

Balotelli?  :-X
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: frank black on August 08, 2019, 10:05:49 PM
That list from Olaftab makes interesting reading.  Brighton spending 63 mill!  Everton, for all their posturing only spent 20mill.

It doesn't include the 30-40m they're about to spend on Iwobi though.

That's true Dave, I hadn't thought of that.  Not that's he's that good either though.
 

How in the hell is Iwobi worth upwards of 40 million? He is just okay.

I disagree, imo he will be a great signing. Just saying as I rate him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2019, 10:08:41 PM
is Bony washed up?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Adebayor priced at £495k.  Didn't Tactics Tim want to pay him that much a week?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2019, 10:38:26 PM
is Bony washed up?

Yes, looked a million times worse than Kodjia in the African Cup of Nations, for the Ivory Coast.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: nigel on August 08, 2019, 10:49:00 PM
I guess that we've done ground work on two or three players this window in preparation for January so there'll be no messing around early in the window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.


Just shows what an absolute shower of shit we’ve been bringing in the last few seasons
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2019, 11:04:16 PM
There's probably only a few we would have wanted to sell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2019, 11:34:41 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.

Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.

Went to the firdt page by mistake. But couldn't resist digging this one out.

Paul e, was signing 10 -12 players a mistake?

Well i meant on top of the 3 loanees so we've actually signed 9 new players. I think that's pretty much the top limit, which is why I've not been that bothered about getting another striker (but Ben Yedder would've changed my mind on that). Aside from that look at the number of references to 'doing a Fulham' or people saying that we'll need time for the team to gel, lots of people can see that getting us working like a unit is the big challenge for Smith. What he's done well is sigh people with connections to help them settle in and feel part of the squad quickly. I'm optimistic that will have helped and I also didn't expect to have a big chunk of our signings done before we were back in training.

Aside from that I wrote that comment when we didn't know what league we were going to be in or what the budget would be. Signing this number of players whilst in the championship and having to stick to FFP would've been impossible without Lambert style punts, which is what I really wanted to avoid.

He's right though: £10-12M for Hause, Mings and El Ghazi would have been a bargain.

I've talked about this before, that was based on Hause being the £2-3m that was in his clause, El Ghazi being released on a free (which was the story in the press at the time) and Mings making up the difference because I didn't see the point in having a clause in the loan deal that didn't have some sort of value (i.e. if no one else is interested then he's £xm) but that clearly wasn't the case so the clause was meaningless. I'll hold my hand up and admit I was wrong on that and that I think we were fleeced on him because that wasn't in the clause, there's no chance they'd have put a future fee of more than £7-8m in if we'd agreed it in January because no one expected him to perform to the level he did.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Smoke on August 08, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
The problem and a lot of the hold up in Jan was the fact that Bournemouth wouldn't accept a future fee going into the deal.

Worked out perfectly for them, I bet Wolves were gutted hause only got them a couple of million in the end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2019, 11:44:39 PM
So, that's our players pretty much confirmed.

Leaves us with the squad below, we need to choose twenty-five of whom at least eight must be "Home Grown". Players aged 21 or under as of 1st January 2019 don't count against the 25 so we can field as many of those as we like.

* = Home Grown
** = under-21

GOALKEEPERS
Heaton*
Steer*
Kalinic
Nyland

DEFENDERS
Guilbert
Elmohamady
Bree*
Konsa*
Engels
Mings*
Chester*
Hause*
Taylor*
Targett*

MIDFIELDERS
McGinn
Douglas Luiz**
Makamba
Lansbury*
Hourihane*
Grealish*
O'Hare**
Tshibola*

WINGERS
Trezeguet
El Ghazi
Jota

FORWARDS
Wesley
Kodjia
Davis**

29 players total, five can be discounted from the quota as under-21. Eleven "Home Grown" players so no problem there.

So yeah, basically fine. Even if Tshibola and a goalkeeper leave, as I expect. We can bring in another player in the next transfer window and up to three unless we are planning on keeping Tshibola and four goalkeepers, which seems a tad excessive.

That was a bit of a pointless exercise but killed a few work minutes as I count down to fucking off time.



This isn't quite right, Konsa and Bree aren't U21 by the rules (U21 have to be born on or after 01/01/1998 for this season) so only O'Hare, Douglas and Davis don't need to be registered.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2019, 11:48:12 PM
The problem and a lot of the hold up in Jan was the fact that Bournemouth wouldn't accept a future fee going into the deal.

Worked out perfectly for them, I bet Wolves were gutted hause only got them a couple of million in the end.

but wasn't the rumoured future fee we wanted something like £4-5m. I seem to recall the comments at the time saying that they at least wanted their money back. Remember we were negotiating with half an eye on still being in the championship this year so we'd have needed to keep the cost down to be able to go ahead and sign him, £8-10m would've been too much on a centre half if we still down there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2019, 11:48:17 PM
There's probably only a few we would have wanted to sell.

We’d have wanted to sell all of them rather than give them away wouldn’t we?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: TustinCAFan on August 08, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.


Just shows what an absolute shower of shit we’ve been bringing in the last few seasons

It's not just the sh&t quality, but ultimately it's hard to sell highly paid aging players.  We just waited to have their contracts to end.  Our strategy is clearly changing in a good way by hiring and retaining younger potential stars.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2019, 11:52:53 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.


Just shows what an absolute shower of shit we’ve been bringing in the last few seasons

It's not just the sh&t quality, but ultimately it's hard to sell highly paid aging players.  We just waited to have their contracts to end.  Our strategy is clearly changing in a good way by hiring and retaining younger potential stars.

Yep, wages and ages more than ability. Someone like Bjarnason but 24-25 would have had plenty of offers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: David_Nab on August 08, 2019, 11:58:15 PM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.

It's the wages , likes of Lansbury and Hogan are championship level players on Prem League Money ..Hogan I expect we will just keep loaning untill we pay him off or his contract runs out


Just shows what an absolute shower of shit we’ve been bringing in the last few seasons

It's not just the sh&t quality, but ultimately it's hard to sell highly paid aging players.  We just waited to have their contracts to end.  Our strategy is clearly changing in a good way by hiring and retaining younger potential stars.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 09, 2019, 10:02:11 AM
Amazing and really quite shocking that we couldn’t move on a single one of our many outgoing players for actual money.

It's the wages , likes of Lansbury and Hogan are championship level players on Prem League Money ..Hogan I expect we will just keep loaning untill we pay him off or his contract runs out


Just shows what an absolute shower of shit we’ve been bringing in the last few seasons

It's not just the sh&t quality, but ultimately it's hard to sell highly paid aging players.  We just waited to have their contracts to end.  Our strategy is clearly changing in a good way by hiring and retaining younger potential stars.

And the consequence is that we ended up being the biggest net spenders by far, (see below) almost double the next spender! The good news is that pretty much everyone we have bought will now have resale value




(https://i.ibb.co/3zmrWR4/EBA12-B74-B0-D7-417-C-A446-878-D7-A0-ABA1-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3zmrWR4)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on August 09, 2019, 10:05:13 AM
Not quite sure how Norwich managed to bring in 7 players and actually save money, but in The Times I trust
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2019, 11:26:05 AM
that chart ? Manure received under 60 million . I thought Slab head was £80 mill
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2019, 08:36:11 PM
Hearing how devastatingly Norwich are being exposed with the window closed, I can't help but feel that this early deadline might be a stitch-up like FFP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2019, 08:58:16 PM
Doesn't help other teams either though. What if Real came in for Eriksson before the window closes and he starts to agitate for a move for example?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2019, 09:01:58 PM
Hearing how devastatingly Norwich are being exposed with the window closed, I can't help but feel that this early deadline might be a stitch-up like FFP.

I'm not sure about that, I think Liverpool could well be more upset about it than anyone else. If that Allison injury is as bad as it looked they're in a bit of trouble agianst better teams than Norwich (which appears to be almost anyone else they'll play).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
Hearing how devastatingly Norwich are being exposed with the window closed, I can't help but feel that this early deadline might be a stitch-up like FFP.

I'm not sure about that, I think Liverpool could well be more upset about it than anyone else. If that Allison injury is as bad as it looked they're in a bit of trouble agianst better teams than Norwich (which appears to be almost anyone else they'll play).

True, but a promoted team really has no idea how well its squad copes with the step up until they play an actual game. It's now too late to improve if they're found wanting. It could easily happen to us (but won't because we're winning the league!)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2019, 09:32:50 PM
Hearing how devastatingly Norwich are being exposed with the window closed, I can't help but feel that this early deadline might be a stitch-up like FFP.

I'm not sure about that, I think Liverpool could well be more upset about it than anyone else. If that Allison injury is as bad as it looked they're in a bit of trouble agianst better teams than Norwich (which appears to be almost anyone else they'll play).

True, but a promoted team really has no idea how well its squad copes with the step up until they play an actual game. It's now too late to improve if they're found wanting. It could easily happen to us (but won't because we're winning the league!)

I don't disagree at all, I really don't like the change (and setting it to 5pm is particularly shit), just pointing out that Liverpool won't be happy about the change either right now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2019, 09:46:41 PM
Liverpool may have been one of the teams that voted in favour of it.

Coaching teams should know whether their squads are good enough and they know the timeframe to do it. Nobody had less time than us to prepare but through a very competent effort, Smith's happy with his squad and feels he's got who he wants. We've shown everybody else that it can be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
They should just get rid of the transfer window altogether. Just gives an advantage to the clubs with massive squads. It also keeps an otherwise dead season alive trying to convince yourself you can sign someone who is gonna turn everything around.

We used to sign players in September, November, even February, and noone died.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2019, 10:17:16 PM
They should just get rid of the transfer window altogether. Just gives an advantage to the clubs with massive squads. It also keeps an otherwise dead season alive trying to convince yourself you can sign someone who is gonna turn everything around.

We used to sign players in September, November, even February, and noone died.

My dad did. Albeit in April, and the blame would technically be weighted towards his bowel cancer rather than the transfer window, according to the 'experts'. It may have been before the transfer window came in but everything happens for a reason (it doesn't).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Hearing how devastatingly Norwich are being exposed with the window closed, I can't help but feel that this early deadline might be a stitch-up like FFP.

Norwich had the 8th best defence in the Championship last season, and spent only around £3.5m improving it to play a season in the top division.  That was a decision they made and now they will have to live with it, but it I'd be surprised if anyone expected that to be enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 11, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Didn't Norwich nearly go pop before Delia and her husband stepped in? Even with the riches of the premier league on offer I'm wary of criticizing teams that don't splash the cash. e.g, Sunderland may be solvent but its only Ellis Short writing off £70 million worth of debt that stopped them going the way of Bolton and Bury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 11, 2019, 09:02:17 PM
I'm not criticising Norwich, I think they are being sensible and if they do go down then they will be in a much better position with the revenue from this season to support them and keep the team together and come back up and be able to invest more.  More clubs should do that.

I was responding to the point about it being a problem of the transfer window closing and leaving them unable to reinforce, which wasn't the issue because the board made it clear they weren't going to spend well before the window shut and they did so knowing their situation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 11, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
I'm not criticising Norwich, I think they are being sensible and if they do go down then they will be in a much better position with the revenue from this season to support them and keep the team together and come back up and be able to invest more.  More clubs should do that.

I was responding to the point about it being a problem of the transfer window closing and leaving them unable to reinforce, which wasn't the issue because the board made it clear they weren't going to spend well before the window shut and they did so knowing their situation.

Ah I see gotcha. Your right i mean they had more time than anyone to prepare, they pretty much knew they were promoted by April.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: john e on August 11, 2019, 09:27:36 PM
Norwich played enough good football the other night against the second best team in the league to suggest to me they might not go down

I don’t think they will
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2019, 10:20:05 PM
Norwich played enough good football the other night against the second best team in the league to suggest to me they might not go down

Leagues are littered though with rubbish teams who had a competent looking first few games and then fell apart.

I reckon after an away win at Bournemouth and a pretty even, hard-fought 1-0 defeat to ManYoo, not many neutrals would have predicted we'd shit the bed as badly as we did under Sherwood and his various successors.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2019, 11:21:57 PM
It's hard to gauge. The game was over inside half an hour and if Liverpool had fancied it, it could have been 7 at half time

That saw Liverpool stroll about for 45 minutes and gave Norwich a bit of freedom.

Either way, there was certainly no evidence Norwich can cope defensively.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
Yeah. It was "only" four because Liverpool basically declared.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 11, 2019, 11:37:13 PM
Yeah. It was "only" four because Liverpool basically declared.

Like they did against us one day in February some years since, when they could have notched up a baker's dozen.

On a more serious note, if the comrades in Yardley can get rid of Jessie, I promise to wash your car and mow your lawn for a year. Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 06:53:31 AM
They should just get rid of the transfer window altogether. Just gives an advantage to the clubs with massive squads. It also keeps an otherwise dead season alive trying to convince yourself you can sign someone who is gonna turn everything around.

We used to sign players in September, November, even February, and noone died.

My dad did. Albeit in April, and the blame would technically be weighted towards his bowel cancer rather than the transfer window, according to the 'experts'. It may have been before the transfer window came in but everything happens for a reason (it doesn't).

Completely agree.  Sick to death of all the people on here making all these claims about how in the old Barclays League Division One everyone was immortal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
Did we actually release Tshibola in the end? or is he still on the books? I don't think he got a squad number or a loan move so wondered what had happened to him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
There's probably some folk who want him to start ahead of Grealish after he committed the cardinal sin of giving the ball away on Saturday.   ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 12, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
Did we actually release Tshibola in the end? or is he still on the books? I don't think he got a squad number or a loan move so wondered what had happened to him.

Still around I believe but can be loaned out to League 1, 2 or Scotland
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Did we actually release Tshibola in the end? or is he still on the books? I don't think he got a squad number or a loan move so wondered what had happened to him.

Still around I believe but can be loaned out to League 1, 2 or Scotland

Ta, depending on how he did at Kilmarnock you'd think someone up north would want him if we're going to be paying his wages anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2019, 04:36:49 PM
A move for Pione Sisto  collasped on deadline day according to reports
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 04:38:31 PM
He didn't fancy it apparently. Ah well.   8)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: mallo on August 12, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
We might be better off waiting until January to see if we need another striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2019, 06:15:04 PM
He didn't fancy it apparently. Ah well.   8)

makes you wonder If he had told us a week before we would have just gone for Benrahma
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
Callum O'Hare talking to Doncaster about a loan move.  Managed by Villa fan Darren Moore of course, got to keep it in the family!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2019, 12:34:13 AM
A move for Pione Sisto  collasped on deadline day according to reports

Interesting. Full Danish international. Been at Celta Vigo last two seasons. Played well in his debut year in Spain although fell more out of favour last year. Very much a winger and one I'd have been happy to get in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2019, 12:53:39 AM
Reckon we will get Bale in January so won't need this bloke.




(runs for cover)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2019, 10:46:59 AM
Spoke to a couple of friends in Denmark and I get the impression that he's a bit like Bolasie in that he's great with the ball at his feet but the end product just isn't there most of the time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: SteveN on August 13, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
Spoke to a couple of friends in Denmark and I get the impression that he's a bit like Bolasie in that he's great with the ball at his feet but the end product just isn't there most of the time.

Remember watching him in the World Cup or Europeans for Denmark and thinking exactly that.  Came on as a sub to a lot of hype and did the square root of nothing.  Must be better options available e.g. Benrahma
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 13, 2019, 07:56:00 PM
Spoke to a couple of friends in Denmark and I get the impression that he's a bit like Bolasie in that he's great with the ball at his feet but the end product just isn't there most of the time.

Remember watching him in the World Cup or Europeans for Denmark and thinking exactly that.  Came on as a sub to a lot of hype and did the square root of nothing.  Must be better options available e.g. Benrahma
From seeing play for Denmark and occasionally for FC Midtjylland I'd agree with that. Too much head down bull in a china shop type play running down blind alleys.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 02, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
Having seen Wesley play for four games now, I am increasingly of the opinion that we need to sign a free agent like Sturridge. He could do with the pressure taking off whilst he gets to grips with English football. Think he will get there in the end, but we need someone else vying for the shirt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2019, 02:07:44 PM
Having seen Wesley play for four games now, I am increasingly of the opinion that we need to sign a free agent like Sturridge. He could do with the pressure taking off whilst he gets to grips with English football. Think he will get there in the end, but we need someone else vying for the shirt.

Sturridge isn’t a free agent. He plays for Trabsonspor in Turkey.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2019, 03:48:27 PM
I'm more worried about how few chances we create for him than I am about him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
I'm more worried about how few chances we create for him than I am about him.

Yup we’re not on the front foot enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 02, 2019, 06:26:45 PM
Are we expecting Lovre Kalinić to get a deadline day move today to European club?
I'm not sure much hope or place for him and would suit all parties if he was at least loaned out.

Also could there be some loan outs of a few more younger villa players  as it's deadline for league one and league two clubs.

I'd say it's likely.

We need to recoup some £ and Steer has eclipsed him and then some.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on September 03, 2019, 08:37:21 AM
Did we manage to offload Nyland and Kalinic yesterday? Bit of a waste of their time and our money if not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 03, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
Ridiculous that Europe has various deadlines. Big advantages for some clubs. Silly idea to close ours before the season even begins.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2019, 12:21:32 PM
Ridiculous that Europe has various deadlines. Big advantages for some clubs. Silly idea to close ours before the season even begins.

What's the advantage?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Pete3206 on September 03, 2019, 12:22:24 PM
Why? Could you imagine if John McGinn had been snatched away from us at 23:59 on the 31st Aug?

The sooner the window closes the better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 03, 2019, 01:52:47 PM
Why? Could you imagine if John McGinn had been snatched away from us at 23:59 on the 31st Aug?

The sooner the window closes the better.
Bruce has gone if you hadn’t noticed!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 03, 2019, 02:17:54 PM
Could you imagine if John McGinn had been snatched away from us at 23:59 on the 31st Aug?

The sooner the window closes the better.

I can't. The transfer window used to close at 11:00 pm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 03, 2019, 02:36:37 PM
Ridiculous that Europe has various deadlines. Big advantages for some clubs. Silly idea to close ours before the season even begins.

"Premier League set to scrap early transfer window closure. 11 of the 20 clubs will need to vote in favour of reversing the decision on 12 September".

Thank fuck. Hopefully they'll overturn this really dumb closure time pushed by dinosaur Wenger and revert back to the old system next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 27, 2021, 11:34:04 PM
Wrong thread.....is not joining Aston Villa.
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