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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on April 25, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
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It's Thursday and about time we started discussing this.
Sunday 28 April 2019 Kick off 12.00 at Elland Road. Leeds
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2-1 us. Come to Japan, Aftab, mate. I'm waiting with tours of various dens of iniquities.
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Sheff UTD will run up a cricket score against Paul Lambert on Saturday and guarantee Leeds can’t go up automatically.
Leeds will be so demoralised than even with us resting Jack, McGinn, Mings and Tammy we will still win.
2-0 Villa.
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Yorkshire Whites ? To avoid any misunderstanding could we please call the opposition by their correct legal official universally understood name as registered with the relevant football associations, inland revenue and companies house. Dirty Leeds.
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I've no idea what I want to or indeed will happen on Sunday. I'm a great believer in sequences and we are due a loss, rather Sunday than in the play-offs so a defeat wouldn't be the end of the world. Resting players may be wise, however keeping the bandwagon rolling is also vital and we could be architects of our own downfall if we are too meek.
A couple of changes, a positive and high tempo approach leading to a score draw might be the ticket.
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I'll be at Elland Road for this. I think with the injuries we've got, especially in defence that there's not much room for making too many changes, but I'd definitely not be starting with McGinn.
Steer
Elmo Axel Jedinak Taylor
Whelan Lansbury Jack
Green Kodjia Albert
Jack off at half time for Hourihane.
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I'll be at Elland Road for this. I think with the injuries we've got, especially in defence that there's not much room for making too many changes, but I'd definitely not be starting with McGinn.
Steer
Elmo Axel Jedinak Taylor
Whelan Lansbury Jack
Green Kodjia Albert
Jack off at half time for Hourihane.
You lucky man. I'd love to be there. Instead I'll be cheering us on from a Tokyo bar. I told my wife that I'll probably be naked if we go up. Divorce has been mentioned. Divorce or Villa promoted? It's a tough one.
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I'd not start Grealish, but purely to make a statement. Dispatching two promotion-chasing sides without him within a few games of each other will serve chilling notice that we're anything but a one-man team.
McGinn gets booked, hook him. Obvs.
Let's keep it going. Villa win. By how many is entirely up to us on the day.
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Jack off at half time for Hourihane.
lol
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im Thinking 2-0 to us.
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D 1-1
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Jack off at half time for Hourihane.
Not my type. I'll settle for a pie and bovril.
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Going for a Villa defeat, law of averages says it's gotta happen soon, so rather it happened on Sunday, than in the play off final!
UP THE VILLA
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Yorkshire Whites ? To avoid any misunderstanding could we please call the opposition by their correct legal official universally understood name as registered with the relevant football associations, inland revenue and companies house. Dirty Leeds.
Shouldn't that be Dirty cheating vile bast***d Leeds??
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I reckon a 2-1 for us against Dirty Leeds.
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Isn’t dirty Leeds just something created by that wanker Tim Lovejoy?
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I wouldn't be taking our foot off the gas too much really. There's something to be said for trying our level best to keep up this winning run. Lose two on the spin prior to playoffs because we're 3rd gearing it, could affect our momentum and even the confidence within a few. Just be sensible. Don't risk anyone who's nursing anything. Give McGinn one of the games off. We've actually, despite a few injuries, got a reasonable amount of strength in depth, so I think resting a couple here and there is good. Elmo deserves a game off, and maybe that give us a chance to give Hutton a send off. I'd ponder resting Taylor for one of the games too. Get our best 11 fit and raring for that first playoff game.
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Isn’t dirty Leeds just something created by that wanker Tim Lovejoy?
Don Revie's Leeds clearly before your time Andy! Dirty dirty cheating bastards, even worse than Chelsea!
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I wouldn't be taking our foot off the gas too much really. There's something to be said for trying our level best to keep up this winning run. Lose two on the spin prior to playoffs because we're 3rd gearing it, could affect our momentum and even the confidence within a few. Just be sensible. Don't risk anyone who's nursing anything. Give McGinn one of the games off. We've actually, despite a few injuries, got a reasonable amount of strength in depth, so I think resting a couple here and there is good. Elmo deserves a game off, and maybe that give us a chance to give Hutton a send off. I'd ponder resting Taylor for one of the games too. Get our best 11 fit and raring for that first playoff game.
I know it’s illogical but I’m convinced this run is linked to Hutton being no where near the starting eleven. I hope we keep it that way.
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Isn’t dirty Leeds just something created by that wanker Tim Lovejoy?
Don Revie's Leeds clearly before your time Andy! Dirty dirty cheating bastards, even worse than Chelsea!
Unfortunately, they’re not before my time.
I just meant the ‘catchphrase’ of dirty Leeds is something from that wanker lovejoy, which is a great catchphrase in itself.
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2-1 us. Come to Japan, Aftab, mate. I'm waiting with tours of various dens of iniquities.
Now then Nik here is the deal. If we go on to win at Wembley I will fly over to pay homage to Roppongi and the goddesses of Private Eye Club ;)
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Jack off at half time for Hourihane.
lol
Maybe he'd just prefer a massage
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I'd be very surprised if Norwich and Sheff Utd haven't secured their automatic places by the time we play, and I expect Baggies to cement 4th place, so it absolutely makes sense to do the sensible thing and manage the squad...keep the match day squad but rest/protect our best players, give some much needed game time to those knocking on Deans door, and come out of these next 2 games with a fresh and fit squad ready for the playoffs.
The momentum argument doesn't really hold much ground and the results from these next 2 games are largely irrelevant when it's the preparation for the biggest 3 games of our season that matter.
2-0 Leeds...and I won't care about the result as long as all our players don't pick up any injuries.
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I wouldn't be taking our foot off the gas too much really. There's something to be said for trying our level best to keep up this winning run. Lose two on the spin prior to playoffs because we're 3rd gearing it, could affect our momentum and even the confidence within a few. Just be sensible. Don't risk anyone who's nursing anything. Give McGinn one of the games off. We've actually, despite a few injuries, got a reasonable amount of strength in depth, so I think resting a couple here and there is good. Elmo deserves a game off, and maybe that give us a chance to give Hutton a send off. I'd ponder resting Taylor for one of the games too. Get our best 11 fit and raring for that first playoff game.
Beat Leeds on Sunday and they'll be like boxer whose legs have gone. They'll stumble into the play-offs praying to be put out of their misery. Right now, they're hanging onto the ropes. If we allow them, as what most would see as an unexpected victory, they may just recover their form. I don't mind a couple of changes but we should aim to beat them. They've a tiny squad with most players knackered, so I wouldn't complain if one of McGinn or Grealish comes on from the bench second half to stretch them.
The game to take the foot off the gas is Norwich. It's a nothing game but the result against Leeds will have consequences, one way or the other. Listening to Dean Smith today, he doesn't look like he's about to throw the towel in this weekend.
I predict 2-0 result, to who depends on our team selection. Leeds will field their usual side as they have little choice.
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In the era of Tommy Smith, Nobby Stiles, Chopper Harris, et al, it took some doing to be the club to earn the epithet "dirty".
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I predict win number 11 - I've gone with 10 wins previously. No time to change now! Leeds 1-2 Aston Villa
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Leeds 3/4 and Villa 10/3 given current form is quite remarkable.
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If Albion don't win, I can see Dean taking this game very seriously
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I’d give the spine of the team no more than 45 minutes, in each of the final two games.
The spine, I consider being, Mings, Grealish, Mcginn and Abraham.
Obviously, Tammy will be recuperating anyway.
I like Chester, but I hope he’s nowhere near our defence in the playoffs, unlesss it’s absolutely necessary.
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Axel should be available after being back in training this week and Hause should be fit for Norwich, so hopefully we’ll have our strongest CB options available in the playoffs. No harm giving Cheater and Elphick some game time against Norwich.
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Leeds 3/4 and Villa 10/3 given current form is quite remarkable.
I think they are basing this on who needs to win most or all the northern high rollers are piling their money on Leeds.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4_8d3lWsAAfJa4.png)
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2-1 Villa, couldn't possibly think of it any other way, 11, providing we don't risk anything or anybody, Jack of at half time, that sort of thing, make sure all our brilliant starlets are ready for the games coming up.....
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2-1 us. Come to Japan, Aftab, mate. I'm waiting with tours of various dens of iniquities.
Now then Nik here is the deal. If we go on to win at Wembley I will fly over to pay homage to Roppongi and the goddesses of Private Eye Club ;)
Roppongi brings back memories of a few big nights out during the 2002 World Cup.
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2-1 us. Come to Japan, Aftab, mate. I'm waiting with tours of various dens of iniquities.
Now then Nik here is the deal. If we go on to win at Wembley I will fly over to pay homage to Roppongi and the goddesses of Private Eye Club ;)
I have the time and I’m happy to carry your baggage.
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Rule number 1 : this is Aston Villa, we try to win every game. Not always been the case recently but under the new management this is the way forward.
Rule number 2 : play the strongest available team. However there is no point in taking unnecessary risks.
Therefore : Steer, Elmo, Elphick, Tuanzebe, Taylor, Bjarnason, Hourihane, Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, El Ghazi
Radical or what ?
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2-1 us. Come to Japan, Aftab, mate. I'm waiting with tours of various dens of iniquities.
Now then Nik here is the deal. If we go on to win at Wembley I will fly over to pay homage to Roppongi and the goddesses of Private Eye Club ;)
I have the time and I’m happy to carry your baggage.
Absolutely. The more the merrier.
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I don't think it's in Dean Smith's nature to relax and not bother attempting to win a game. Therefore, whilst I think he will make changes, he will put out a decent side, good enough to be very competitive. I reckon the likes of Green, Davis, Lansbury will defo start. If it's possible to finish 4th and get the top Midlands slot for the Championship, Smith will try for it.
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I’d give the spine of the team no more than 45 minutes, in each of the final two games.
The spine, I consider being, Mings, Grealish, Mcginn and Abraham.
Obviously, Tammy will be recuperating anyway.
I like Chester, but I hope he’s nowhere near our defence in the playoffs, unlesss it’s absolutely necessary.
Wise words. Right now, everybody has us as favourites to go up. Why change? Yes, we have the best squad but let's continue to show why we are the team everybody fears us. Onwards and upwards. Point after point. Leeds fall apart second half (too many games, too few players). Why give them space to recover? FTF!
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It’ll be nice to watch the game on Sunday with a certain relaxedness (?) rather than the gut wrenching, arse clenching nerves that have accompanied the last 6 or 7 games.
That’ll all start again in a couple of weeks time.
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I’d give the spine of the team no more than 45 minutes, in each of the final two games.
The spine, I consider being, Mings, Grealish, Mcginn and Abraham.
Obviously, Tammy will be recuperating anyway.
I like Chester, but I hope he’s nowhere near our defence in the playoffs, unlesss it’s absolutely necessary.
Wise words. Right now, everybody has us as favourites to go up. Why change? Yes, we have the best squad but let's continue to show why we are the team everybody fears us. Onwards and upwards. Point after point. Leeds fall apart second half (too many games, too few players). Why give them space to recover? FTF!
I like it mate.
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It would be no shame at all to lose to an excellent Leeds side. When we played earlier in the season I was impressed and I suppose they are right up there for a reason.
In previous managerial eras I would have worried that the eleventh game after a ten game winning sequence might prove to be a slip but Villa are a different prospect now.
A tough game I reckon but one we can win. As always, so long as we give a decent account of ourselves I will be happy.
1-3 to the Villa.
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if we keep a clean sheet and do the professional job we know they can now provide, we will win...0-2 to the Villa :)
UTV
THe Doc
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I just have this feeling we won't win this one. Draw seems most likely to me.
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Rule number 1 : this is Aston Villa, we try to win every game. Not always been the case recently but under the new management this is the way forward.
Rule number 2 : play the strongest available team. However there is no point in taking unnecessary risks.
Therefore : Steer, Elmo, Elphick, Tuanzebe, Taylor, Bjarnason, Hourihane, Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, El Ghazi
Radical or what ?
Id be happy with a team similar to the below, though Id give Davis a start. He looks sharp.
Would be ridiculous if one of our key players got injured in our last 2 games before the playoffs.
Only exception to that being centre half, we need to find a partner for Mings for the playoffs, hence either Elphick or Tuanzebe should partner Mings for last 2 games.
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Extend
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I have a theory. Let's assume Sheff United get the job done on Saturday. That should make us rest Jack or McGinn or both. Leeds then knowing they are in the play offs could cynically target both of these for injuries. We all know what a scammer that Bielsa is.
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I think Smith's competitive edge will see him have the lads really up for this one. Brentford should have beaten Leeds at Elland Road in Dean's last game there while we owe them for their comeback at VP in December.
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I have a theory. Let's assume Sheff United get the job done on Saturday. That should make us rest Jack or McGinn or both. Leeds then knowing they are in the play offs could cynically target both of these for injuries. We all know what a scammer that Bielsa is.
I'd certainly rest Jack and McGinn as, you say, the risk of injury against Leeds - regardless if they could climb to 2nd. I guess Bielsa would like to hack the goalposts down, during the game, if it helps him.
The next game at Norwich would be fine to give them a run, as Farke's Norwich arent cynical kickers, even if they need to beat us to get the title.
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
Yep, its not like Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner are playing for Leeds this weekend.
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
Yep, its not like Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner are playing for Leeds this weekend.
ahh...but what about Madeley, Jones and Lorimer ?
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The Doc
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Play our full strength and beat them.
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It’ll be nice to watch the game on Sunday with a certain relaxedness (?) rather than the gut wrenching, arse clenching nerves that have accompanied the last 6 or 7 games.
That’ll all start again in a couple of weeks time.
Being where I live, this will be a gut-wrencher for me
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
Yep, its not like Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner are playing for Leeds this weekend.
ahh...but what about Madeley, Jones and Lorimer ?
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The Doc
No no Giles was the dirtiest git. Of course they are nothing like that now.
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It’ll be nice to watch the game on Sunday with a certain relaxedness (?) rather than the gut wrenching, arse clenching nerves that have accompanied the last 6 or 7 games.
That’ll all start again in a couple of weeks time.
Yes that's how I feel now however once the game starts it will be fuck em we need to score, not concede and win this attitude.
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
They don't need to be a team of Terry Hurlocks. Injuries happen for all sorts of reasons.
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Can we not just go full strength and put them to the sword?
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Play our full strength and beat them.
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We owe them one.
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Pretty sure Leeds won't want any players sent off at this stage of the season either. What's their yellow card situation like?
edit: 3 players on 4 yellow cards, 2 players on 8, and Alioski is on 9 but I think he's out injured for the season.
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LMFAO. Honestly we need to stop these conspiracy theories. Whatever Leeds do they are not going to take the field on Sunday with the sole intent of crippling our best players. They have just as many good players if not more. Look at the table they have been in top 2 most of the season and Bielsa wins matches by his tactical nous not by hacking opposition to pieces. I think we need to protect our players for normal reasons and not because of Leeds.
Yep, its not like Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner are playing for Leeds this weekend.
ahh...but what about Madeley, Jones and Lorimer ?
UTV
The Doc
Giles was the worst.
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If tomorrow, Sheffield United win as expected and the stripeys contrive to not win against Rotherham, Leeds' regular season is over before we get to Elland Road, and we'll still be in with a chance of pinching fourth. I'm pretty sure Leeds haven't clogged their way to top two for most of the season, and I don't think they'll start now. If results fall as hoped, I can see a game of good football between two more than decent sides where we'll have more to play for, with our desire and impetus bringing us out on top.
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I've had spies watching Leeds this week and they intend to be Super Nashwan and us Revolver.
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Am I missing something ? Loads of posts on here suggesting an Albion win against Rotherham will nail down 4th place. I believe if they lose their last game at Derby (who will likely need the points) and we win at Leeds and at home to Norwich, we will pip them by a point ? Nes pas
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is the game live on sky sports ?
leeds are falling apart again
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yes mate - 12 noon kick off. On Sunday.
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that's great my sunday lunchtime entertainment sorted then !
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Pretty sure Leeds won't want any players sent off at this stage of the season either. What's their yellow card situation like?
edit: 3 players on 4 yellow cards, 2 players on 8, and Alioski is on 9 but I think he's out injured for the season.
Even if you get 5 or 10 yellows the cut off point for both was a few weeks ago so you won't get banned. 15 is the only live suspension which McGinn could still trigger if he's booked the last two games (surely would not play Norwich if he gets a yellow at Leeds which is likely).
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If tomorrow, Sheffield United win as expected and the stripeys contrive to not win against Rotherham, Leeds' regular season is over before we get to Elland Road, and we'll still be in with a chance of pinching fourth. I'm pretty sure Leeds haven't clogged their way to top two for most of the season, and I don't think they'll start now. If results fall as hoped, I can see a game of good football between two more than decent sides where we'll have more to play for, with our desire and impetus bringing us out on top.
Indeed. Plus, right now, every team is shit scared of us, why change that environment?
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I want us adding more faces to this https://twitter.com/Villa_memes/status/1120821075439431681
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Pretty sure Leeds won't want any players sent off at this stage of the season either. What's their yellow card situation like?
edit: 3 players on 4 yellow cards, 2 players on 8, and Alioski is on 9 but I think he's out injured for the season.
Even if you get 5 or 10 yellows the cut off point for both was a few weeks ago so you won't get banned. 15 is the only live suspension which McGinn could still trigger if he's booked the last two games (surely would not play Norwich if he gets a yellow at Leeds which is likely).
Good point well made. Cut off dates were 19 and 37 games respectively for 5 and 10 yellow cards.
Pretty sure Dean won't risk SJM against Norwich if he was to pick up a card at Leeds.
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Am I missing something ? Loads of posts on here suggesting an Albion win against Rotherham will nail down 4th place. I believe if they lose their last game at Derby (who will likely need the points) and we win at Leeds and at home to Norwich, we will pip them by a point ? Nes pas
Correct. They are currently 2pts ahead, so we can finish 4th if we win both our games against Leeds and Norwich, and Baggies beat Rotherham but lose to Derby.
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Speaking of ‘Yorkshire Whites’....
Has it been mentioned on here yet that Konami have added a bespoke head model for Grealish in the latest data update to PES 2019, short socks n’all 👍🏼
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Speaking of ‘Yorkshire Whites’....
Has it been mentioned on here yet that Konami have added a bespoke head model for Grealish in the latest data update to PES 2019, short socks n’all 👍🏼
I don’t know what this means in old man language.
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Speaking of ‘Yorkshire Whites’....
Has it been mentioned on here yet that Konami have added a bespoke head model for Grealish in the latest data update to PES 2019, short socks n’all 👍🏼
I don’t know what this means in old man language.
Konami is a Japanese software developer. One of its titles is the long running Pro Evolution Soccer or PES series.
They don't have licences so the clubs are often called West Midlands Village or Yorkshire Whites.
He's saying they've made a Grealish character model, rather than some random bloke who is meant to be him.
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Am I missing something ? Loads of posts on here suggesting an Albion win against Rotherham will nail down 4th place. I believe if they lose their last game at Derby (who will likely need the points) and we win at Leeds and at home to Norwich, we will pip them by a point ? Nes pas
Correct. They are currently 2pts ahead, so we can finish 4th if we win both our games against Leeds and Norwich, and Baggies beat Rotherham but lose to Derby.
Bristol City v Derby is critical today, without overthinking it I can see a scenario here where Derby and Albion each need a point from their final game against each other - Derby to secure 6th place and Albion to secure 4th. I don't think the outcome of that game would be terribly difficult to predict.
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Speaking of ‘Yorkshire Whites’....
Has it been mentioned on here yet that Konami have added a bespoke head model for Grealish in the latest data update to PES 2019, short socks n’all 👍🏼
I don’t know what this means in old man language.
Computer game shenanigans. It’s all the rage with the kids 😉
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A derby draw today would be a good result. Guarantees 5th and means Derby will need to beat the Albion.
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Speaking of ‘Yorkshire Whites’....
Has it been mentioned on here yet that Konami have added a bespoke head model for Grealish in the latest data update to PES 2019, short socks n’all 👍🏼
I don’t know what this means in old man language.
Computer game shenanigans. It’s all the rage with the kids 😉
Haha. I'm tearing up Master League with him leading the Villa charge.
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I'm still stuck on Alex Ferguson's Player Manager.
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I hate dirty Leeds so 5-0 to the villa - Davis= Hatrick
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A derby draw today would be a good result. Guarantees 5th and means Derby will need to beat the Albion.
Its all irrelevant. We will smash the play offs.
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In Leeds for the evening, then off t'match in t'morning.
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G'over!
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What was the score when Richard E simulated the game with his joystick?
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Winning 10 on the bounce has been brilliant to get us into the playoff positions. Another winning run of 3 once we start the playoffs would also be brilliant. Todays game is especially hard to call, as we could meet Leeds again in the playoffs. Of course I would take an 11th straight win, but I would also take Deano approaching todays game with a strategy and forward thinking/planning in mind. I don't want to turn up to the playoffs naively, having over exerted ourselves in the next 2 games. I guess all will be revealed in Deano's team selection or his in-game management, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a pre-season feel to todays game from Villa's perspective. UTV!
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Any pubs in town showing the game today?
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Any pubs in town showing the game today?
Snobs, probably. Or The Trocadero.
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Any pubs in town showing the game today?
Snobs, probably. Or The Trocadero.
The Troc would work thanks
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Both clubs will finish the season in their current positions. Today’s result is all about preparation and preservation of resources for what’s to come. 1-1.
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2-1 Leeds. Just a feeling we will get beat today. Pontus Jansson always bloody scores against us too.
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Tough one to call really. They're having a slight wobble and we can't possibly keep up the winning run, surely? I'll go for 1-1. Grealish with ours.
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Thanks to the selfless antics of the Creosote Crew, the club record is now in the bag. So why sully such a winning combo today? 8)
So it's a cheeky 1-1 from me (and hopefully no silly cards or injuries).
COYL!
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We'll likely have to get past Leeds to go up. I really don't want to lose this one, even if the game itself will have little effect on the table. I want us to take these last two games seriously. Not hold anything back. Keep the confidence up. Winning today would be a big confidence boost looking ahead to a potential opponent in May.
I'd like us to turn Norwich over too. They're top of the league but I think we're the best side in the division on form. Lets show it in the last two games. Keep that momentum going into the playoff games.
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Agree supertom. Watched Norwich yesterday and my main thought was we’re the best team in the league in both form and quality, it’s not even close.
I’d like us to take these games seriously, do them both, keep the run going and put the shits right up the rest.
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Great tweet from AVFCofficial.
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1122417667900469250?s=21