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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on March 14, 2019, 10:23:50 AM
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What the actual fuck?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47568983 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47568983)
Birmingham City and Aston Villa have both been charged by the Football Association for failing to control their players during Sunday's Championship match.
There was a melee between players from both teams in the fifth minute after Blues midfielder Maikel Kieftenbeld fouled Villa captain Jack Grealish.
Kiefetenbeld was booked, and Villa went on to win the derby 1-0. with Grealish scoring the winning goal.
The clubs have until Monday to respond.
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What did the players actually do wrong exactly? Most from both sides seemed to be intent on helping Jack.
The FA are a national disgrace, set of wankers.
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Anyone have any footage of the incident?
They are obviously trying to deflect from the "other" incident by the looks of it if that is the only thing they are taking from the match.
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It's easier to do that. You wouldn't expect anything else from those spineless wankers.
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Just had a “WTF” moment when I saw that as Breaking News on SSN.
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I've seem some people say it was to do with the incident after Jack was poleaxed by their idiot defender on about 5 minutes. But all there was was a tiny bit of handbags of the sort you'd expect after such an incident, the sort of thing that happens in every other game you ever see. If it was that serious, why did only one yellow card get shown, to the perpetrator?
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Well if they have finally got round to looking at the game, you would think the more serious charges regarding the attack would follow soon. That can't be the full response surely.
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They can fuck the fuck off with this shit. If they even think about punishing us we should kick the other seventy-one teams out of our league.
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What an absolute crock of fucking shit
How about the FA making a big deal out of BCFC being unable to control their fucking brainless supporters?
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Hahaha
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If they are charging us for this (40s in):
then I imagine they will now be charging every single team in every single match throughout all 4 divisions from now on.
Ridiculous. They'd clearly decided to go in hard on Jack from the start. Kiefetenbeld was lucky not to be sent off.
Has anyone seen a copy of the actual FA charge?
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I've seem some people say it was to do with the incident after Jack was poleaxed by their idiot defender on about 5 minutes. But all there was was a tiny bit of handbags of the sort you'd expect after such an incident, the sort of thing that happens in every other game you ever see. If it was that serious, why did only one yellow card get shown, to the perpetrator?
That's what the FA say it is.
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The challenge is about 40 seconds in:
https://youtu.be/hC8tJdKQkqk
I don’t recall anything other than the usual surrounding the ref and pushing after a dirty challenge that you see in most games. It was a heated derby game so hope they don’t try to suggest that this may have contributed to the disgusting incident that happened a few minutes later.
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Makes you wonder if they bothered asking the ref "Why did you only show a yellow card for such a blatant reckless assault in the first place"??
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It's nonsense. You could have teams charged in every game, certainly every derby on that basis. Are we to be punished for having lots of local rivals?
In the interests of fairness, they shouldn't be taking any further action against any Small Heath players either. He was booked, correctly. That should be the end of it.
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The challenge is about 40 seconds in:
https://youtu.be/hC8tJdKQkqk
I don’t recall anything other than the usual surrounding the ref and pushing after a dirty challenge that you see in most games. It was a heated derby game so hope they don’t try to suggest that this may have contributed to the disgusting incident that happened a few minutes later.
I think that's exactly what they're suggesting. Just look at how they penalise players who celebrate goals in front of opposition fans and accuse them of "inciting the crowd" ridiculous.
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Unbelievable Jeff. What a load of absolute bollox.
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We should be ashamed of ourselves really. I hope we issue a sincere apology to both Blues and football in general for having the temerity of allowing our best player to be booted into the air by one of their shithouse defenders.
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#prayforblooz
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FA: "Only the captain should approach the referee in those circumstances"
Us: "It was our captain who was taken out in such a despicable and deliberate challenge and was on the floor so couldn't"
FA: "It doesn't matter, if your players hadn't have done that then the later incident which we are totally going to ignore wouldn't have happened 5 minutes later. Yes the same sort of surrounding the referee happens in every game multiple times but we have to look at taking some action and you are not playing in red. And if you argue we will also ban Jack for 10 games for hitting the fans fist with his cheek and hitting the stewards foot with the back of his leg"
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What do these people at the FA do they don't understand football that's for sure we shouldn't be charged I thought we did very well to keep our cool considering everything that happened.
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What an absolute crock of shit.
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Load of shit. Basically because the game's had a load of negative publicity this is their way of showing how strong they are on any hint of disruption before inevitably bottling what they dish out to the Noses separately.
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Ooh look we're not singling anybody out, we're charging everybody.
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Ooh look we're not singling anybody out, we're charging everybody.
Will they be deducting points from everybody too?
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Ooh look we're not singling anybody out, we're charging everybody.
Will they be deducting points from everybody too?
Well to be fair we didn't supply our players with headguards and gumshields.
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They are so stupid that I bet they thought this was a good idea because it would be the first action to take to show how "hard" they are clamping down on everything related to this match.
We should respond strongly telling them to get fuc***
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Seems that the likes of Chelsea, Manure , Citeh, Liverpool and their like can surround the officials mob handed at every decision they don't agree with but nothing happens to them.
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What do these people at the FA do they don't understand football that's for sure we shouldn't be charged I thought we did very well to keep our cool considering everything that happened.
The number 1 thing they do, that motivates them more than anything, is the covering of their own arses.
What happened at the weekend is irrelevant when it comes to the above sentence.
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Utterly ridiculous.
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Could it relate to our players going into the crowd after Jack scored?
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What do these people at the FA do they don't understand football that's for sure we shouldn't be charged I thought we did very well to keep our cool considering everything that happened.
The number 1 thing they do, that motivates them more than anything, is the covering of their own arses.
What happened at the weekend is irrelevant when it comes to the above sentence.
I'm pretty sure that if the surrounding of him was in the refs report, the charges would have been laid on Monday. It definitely smells like picking on something small at the moment rather then facing the elephant in the room. They can't even hide behind a police matter since the bloke was arrested \ charged and sentenced already.
Anyone sad enough to watch the Arse/Manure match last week and confirm if a similar foul and surrounding of the referee happened?
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Could it relate to our players going into the crowd after Jack scored?
No, it is worded that it specifically relates to the melee when Jack was booted by their player in the 5th minute
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Ooh look we're not singling anybody out, we're charging everybody.
book ‘em Danno!
What a joke- bigger scandal than the prick who ran on and assault grealish I reckon.
The FA are clowns. Where’s Ellis when you need him?
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Load of shit. Basically because the game's had a load of negative publicity this is their way of showing how strong they are on any hint of disruption before inevitably bottling what they dish out to the Noses separately.
Exactly my initial thoughts too.
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I'm already starting to hear the words "inciting" and "extenuating circumstances" in a forthcoming FA statement diminishing the responsibility of Blose with regards to the attack on Jack. After all the coverage condoning the severity of the incident, I hope I'm wrong as they need to set a precedent and throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes.
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Two comments on this:
1) First time I've seen that challenge - how's that not a straight red? Literally zero attempt to play the ball. Disgusting tackle.
2) I've never been to the Sty and have no intention of changing that fact. But having just watched the players walk out of the tunnel, where do they get changed? In the car park?! I've played Sunday football in better conditions.
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Speechless. You really couldn't make it up...
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I hope both clubs challenge this vigorously. It was a bad challenge, but one the referee saw and took action on. Whether that was correct or not, isn't really a concern now.
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I was pleased with the way our players reacted, it showed solidarity which is something that has been missing in the past.
The problem starts with successive refs allowing Jackto be targeted and doing nothing about it, and based on previous incidents if our players had not of reacted he would have given a warning and nothing else.
If the ref had of got his card out straight away again this would have defused the situation.
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Two comments on this:
1) First time I've seen that challenge - how's that not a straight red? Literally zero attempt to play the ball. Disgusting tackle.
The FA obviously think they have reason as he didn't break Jack's leg. Only then would the protest have been justified. Wankers.
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Two comments on this:
1) First time I've seen that challenge - how's that not a straight red? Literally zero attempt to play the ball. Disgusting tackle.
2) I've never been to the Sty and have no intention of changing that fact. But having just watched the players walk out of the tunnel, where do they get changed? In the car park?! I've played Sunday football in better conditions.
Both feet off the ground, studs showing and above knee high!! Got to be a yellow........W@anker
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The FA have a fair point. Our players confronted the referee and could have unduly influenced the outcome of his decision. He could have actually changed his mind and made the right decision and we cant have that can we.
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Well now we know what F.A. stands for.
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How can they charge either club for that, fucking ridiculous. You see that kind of reaction numerous times a week in games and no one gets charged. The ref wasn't manhandled, no punches or anything of note between players. I hope both clubs work together on defending this bullshit charge.
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That's beyond ridiculous...I really hope we fight them.
Surely the FA are bringing the game in to disrepute with decisions like this - or maybe their Executive Christmas bonus fund needs topping up.
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We're as bad as them, it seems. Hope we have our apology in to the FA. Beggars belief.
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What you dont realise if that Jack didnt blatently hit his leg against the other player, the Blues "Fan" wouldnt have felt any need to come and attack Jack 5 mins later.
Simple really.
:o
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Do you think the goal celebrations will be cited as part of this charge?
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An absolute disgrace. I hope we contest it.
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A bottlejob.
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The fact that it took them four days to bring the charges almost feels as if they were looking for something to charge us with.
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Disgraceful. The FA are idiots.
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Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me at all...
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Makes you wonder if they bothered asking the ref "Why did you only show a yellow card for such a blatant reckless assault in the first place"??
Yep it was a horrendous challenge and only gets worse each time you see it. Should have been a red.
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Of all the incidents to happen in that game, this probably least deserved re-visiting. It was an awful challenge but I thought the ref had dealt with it already? He could have waved a yellow at any player he thought was over the line in their protests but didn't, so why do the FA have to come back to this one? Especially in the light of what then happened.
It seems like out-of-touch people sat in a boardroom somewhere feeling they really ought to do something but weren't exactly sure what about.
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Of course the other way this might go is that them lot have the book thrown at them for their stewarding and safety etc and there's no moaning about being fair as we've been charged too.
No, sorry, I've been on crack again.
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That it's the only thing that went on in the game that they've done anything about so far doesn't reflect very well on them.
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Two comments on this:
1) First time I've seen that challenge - how's that not a straight red? Literally zero attempt to play the ball. Disgusting tackle.
Me too and I cannot believe it was not a straight red.
The FA are utterly wrong on this. Which does not surprise me.
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First time I have seen that assault on Grealish by Kieftenbeld. How was that not a straight red? No attempt whatsoever to go for the ball and Jack was bloody lucky it wasn't a leg breaker. 100% deliberate to take out Grealish and the ref bottled it.
As for the FA decision .... bloody joke and no more than expected from those idiots. It wont have anything to do with the players goal celebrations as the FA have stated it was regarding the mele after the tackle on Jack.
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That THIS is the first official thing we hear after THAT game is beyond contempt. Scandalous. I hope the club call that out too.
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And, as others have said, he’s been assaulted in nearly every game this season by players sent out by managers to kick him up in the air. The refs have done the square root of fuck all to quash it.
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What did the players actually do wrong exactly? Most from both sides seemed to be intent on helping Jack.
The FA are a national disgrace, set of wankers.
I'm raging.
What utter ******
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This has to be a frigging joke.
What about the scum supporter who's been jailed for assaulting our player on the pitch?
Are they just putting that down as part of the game?
Seeing it's gone worldwide in its condemnation and the FA think it's okay this is a total disgrace from an utterly out of touch organisation.
I trust Villa will appeal this immediately.
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Look at the picture on the BBC Sport web page, & those tossers say he dives!?! Glad our players supported him. Said it before, say it again top to bottom & fans bcfc are a horrible club with a fan base of gob shites.
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The arseholes that sit on the FA comittee are so incompetent and out of touch that this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. They should be hauling the referee in to ask him what he considers to be a straight red? Because if the tackle by that neanderthal numpty wasn't a straight red i can only think by that refs standards you would have to deliver a roundhouse kick followed up by a a flying headbutt to get one.
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The arseholes that sit on the FA comittee are so incompetent and out of touch that this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. They should be hauling the referee in to ask him what he considers to be a straight red? Because if the tackle by that neanderthal numpty wasn't a straight red i can only think by that refs standards you would have to deliver a roundhouse kick followed up by a a flying headbutt to get one.
It was in the first few minutes of the game, sending someone off would have ruined the game for the neutrals watching on the telly.
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Blose (and Arsenal) charged for pitch invasion.
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It is standard distraction tactics by the FA. The example used by lecturers in law is Shakespeare when the Bard writes that the victim not only was killed by a sword thrust but his hose was torn by it.
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I hope we defend this to the hilt. We should prepare a video of similar incidents in other games this season. It will be very long.
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SHA now charged with failing to control their fans.
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So, Grealish gets assaulted by Kleftenbeld, cut in half and they expect no emotional outpouring for a guy lying poleaxed and who has only just come back from a major injury. It was a straight red that the referee bottled, so, in actual fact, this is the referee's fault, who works for the Football Association. They are such complete twats. Get some ex-footballers in to run the F.A. and not the wankers who make these crap decisions.
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Express and Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/03/14/blues-charged-by-fa-after-fan-attack-on-aston-villas-jack-grealish/)
Blues have now been charged for failing ensure fans conducted themselves in an orderly fashion, refrained from violent conduct and encroaching the pitch.
The club has until next Friday, March 22, to respond.
An FA statement read: "Birmingham City FC has been charged with breaches of FA Rule E20(a)and (b).
"It is alleged the club failed to ensure that its spectators conducted themselves in an orderly fashion; refrained from improper or violent conduct and refrained from encroaching onto the pitch during the EFL Championship fixture against Aston Villa on Sunday 10/03/2019.
"They have until 22/03/2019 to respond."
Both clubs have, meanwhile, been charged for failing to control their players.
It relates to a clash between both sets of players in the fifth minute of the game following Maikel Kiefetenbeld’s late challenge on Grealish, fr which the Blues player was booked.
Both clubs have until Monday March 18 to respond.
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The arseholes that sit on the FA comittee are so incompetent and out of touch that this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. They should be hauling the referee in to ask him what he considers to be a straight red? Because if the tackle by that neanderthal numpty wasn't a straight red i can only think by that refs standards you would have to deliver a roundhouse kick followed up by a a flying headbutt to get one.
It was in the first few minutes of the game, sending someone off would have ruined the game for the neutrals watching on the telly.
Understandable. Same as Vidic on Gabby in the cup final against man yoo.
Edit: just in case anyone misses it i am being facetious.
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So, Grealish gets assaulted by Kleftenbeld, cut in half and they expect no emotional outpouring for a guy lying poleaxed and who has only just come back from a major injury. It was a straight red that the referee bottled, so, in actual fact, this is the referee's fault, who works for the Football Association. They are such complete twats. Get some ex-footballers in to run the F.A. and not the wankers who make these crap decisions.
I must confess I rarely watch prem games anymore but when I do it strikes me that you only have to look at some players the wrong way and a card is automatically shown. Contrast this to the championship and tackles that could end a players career are met with indecision and maybe a yellow at most.
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Firstly, there's no way either club should be charged in relation to the incident. It's not like there was any actual violence or intimidating of any officials.
Secondly, a red card offence is a red card offence. It doesn't matter whether it is the first minute or the last. I've heard several pundits over the years day the red has a duty to keep 22 players on the pitch. No he doesn't! Nor does he have any responsibility to the viewers at home or fans in attendance. His one and only job is to uphold the laws of the game.
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I'm speechless.
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Proper football a la 1970s.
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Disgraceful tackle on Jack by that SHA shit bag. Nailed on straight red, but the FA make a disgraceful decision. Fucking Ref should be charged and fined!!
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I'd love to know how the FA expect players of any side to react when one of their players is taken out like that, it was a deliberate attempt to take Jack out of the game, zero interest in anything else. In the aftermath of the challenge I don't think any player from either side did anything wrong. The FA really are a joke.
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I've seem some people say it was to do with the incident after Jack was poleaxed by their idiot defender on about 5 minutes. But all there was was a tiny bit of handbags of the sort you'd expect after such an incident, the sort of thing that happens in every other game you ever see. If it was that serious, why did only one yellow card get shown, to the perpetrator?
Spot on Risso. And if the FA do decide that more punishment should have been dished out to the players then presumably the first person to face disciplinary action should be the ref if they felt he should have been showing cards to all and sundry. Personally I felt the ref officiated a very challenging game reasonably well.
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It's ridiculous. Watch the footage. Disgraceful challenge followed up by genuine responses and reactions. Nothing out of order in terms of countless other similar incidents.
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The FA in ridiculously obvious diversion tactic concurrently making utter tits of themselves. Who would've expected that?
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I've seem some people say it was to do with the incident after Jack was poleaxed by their idiot defender on about 5 minutes. But all there was was a tiny bit of handbags of the sort you'd expect after such an incident, the sort of thing that happens in every other game you ever see. If it was that serious, why did only one yellow card get shown, to the perpetrator?
Spot on Risso. And if the FA do decide that more punishment should have been dished out to the players then presumably the first person to face disciplinary action should be the ref if they felt he should have been showing cards to all and sundry. Personally I felt the ref officiated a very challenging game reasonably well.
Absolutely. Agree with you both.
Seriously how do the FA expect our players to react when our best player and captain has been maliciously assaulted by an opposition player after just a few minutes on his return further to being out for 3 months with a serious injury? The ref is a representative of the FA and failed in his job to follow the rules of the game regardless of the time of the foul...however he did manage the game very well after that in the circumstances.
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The reason the referee never sent that Kleftenbeld off was because he sent him off at Brentford earlier in the season and it was overturned .He also sent Monk off .So it was human nature he was worried about making the same mistake in such a big game and bottled out of giving him a red .Most of us predicted last week Kleftenbeld would try to cripple Jack first chance he got .I hope Villa appeal the decision
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The reason the referee never sent that Kleftenbeld off was because he sent him off at Brentford earlier in the season and it was overturned .He also sent Monk off .So it was human nature he was worried about making the same mistake in such a big game and bottled out of giving him a red .Most of us predicted last week Kleftenbeld would try to cripple Jack first chance he got .I hope Villa appeal the decision
Good point. You have to wonder about the competence of the buffoons who thought it was a good idea to appoint him to officiate this game.
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Good point well made pooligan...and it was obvious they would target Jack so much so that we were predicting how many seconds it would take. Shithouse club, shithouse team and shithouse fans.
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The tagline for early bird ST renewal at SHA towers?
Shithouse club, shithouse team and shithouse fans.
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Have the club made any comment about this nonsense yet? I hope they tell the FA to poke it as far up their collective arses as it's possible to get.
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Firstly, there's no way either club should be charged in relation to the incident. It's not like there was any actual violence or intimidating of any officials.
Secondly, a red card offence is a red card offence. It doesn't matter whether it is the first minute or the last. I've heard several pundits over the years day the red has a duty to keep 22 players on the pitch. No he doesn't! Nor does he have any responsibility to the viewers at home or fans in attendance. His one and only job is to uphold the laws of the game.
Completely agree with this, Johnny.
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From the Express and Star:
Both Villa and rivals Blues were charged with failing to control their players following a brief flashpoint caused by Maikel Kieftenbeld’s fifth-minute challenge on Jack Grealish, for which the German was shown a yellow card.
Smith described the FA’s decision to take retrospective action against the clubs as “inconsistent and harsh”.
He said: “Yes, there were players around the referee but I’m surprised there has been a charge because it’s inconsistent.
“Every time I watch games on TV, there’s three or more players around the referee contesting decisions. Not all charges are put up.
“Unfortunately ourselves and Birmingham, after I thought both sets of players kept a lid on it during the game and that was the only flashpoint. To be charged is very harsh and inconsistent.”
Blues boss Garry Monk agreed, saying: “In terms of the charge against the players and Aston Villa’s players I was surprised to see it if I’m honest.
“When you actually look at it I don’t think it’s an incident that’s worthy of that charge at all.”
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Club Statement;Aston Villa is committed to making Villa Park a family-friendly, open and inclusive stadium and will continue to make our famous home a safe and friendly environment for all football supporters.
There have been a number of high-profile incidents in English football this season where verbal and even physical abuse has gone way beyond normal, passionate support. We at Aston Villa totally disapprove of this type of behaviour.
We encourage all of our fans to report to our numerous staff and stewards, or to our dedicated hotline post-match, anyone who is behaving in a way which is unacceptable to decent, law-abiding citizens. We will then identity culprits and show zero tolerance.
As part of this commitment to seek to make attending matches at Villa Park an enjoyable and safe experience for the whole family, we are announcing today that we will welcome U3s into the family section from next season as we strive to make the matchday experience a pleasant one for all.
We would also like to remind all supporters that any encroachment onto the playing surface, or any area adjacent to the pitch in which spectators are not generally admitted, is a criminal offence.
Come along, support the team and enjoy your day at Villa Park.
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So Blues have been charged with failing to stop a fan encroaching on to the pitch. What about the charge of not stopping a fan from assaulting a player! They are comparing what happened at St. Andrews with what happened at Arsenal. The FA are a joke.
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It is the same as the offence is going on the pitch, the assault is a police matter against the individual. Is how I understand it to be.
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And the steward?
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The FA can get fucked
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It is the same as the offence is going on the pitch, the assault is a police matter against the individual. Is how I understand it to be.
What I was trying to say is that just running onto the pitch should not be treated the same as running onto the pitch and attacking a player (or official). If there is not a separate category in FA rules, there should be.
I'm from an era when fans regularly ran onto the pitch to celebrate their team scoring a goal or winning a match with no harm intended. It still happens but the FA have clamped down on it on the basis of what could have happened. What happened last week was far worse than that and the FA should not wash it's hands of it and say it is a police matter. If they do, we will end up with what we have seen in other countries with somebody seriously attacked.
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Gotta love pathetic reactions to hysteria. I thought it was a commendable the way three Birmingham players instinctively tended to Grealish immediately following the attack but yes, lets look as if we're doing something as a totally pissweak organisation.
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I see both clubs have got a £5,000 fine. Totally unjust that Villa got fined. Surely Blues will find it difficult to pay a £5k fine! It could tip them over!
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To me, the incident involving Oxford and Bradford players this past weekend was far worse. Can't see the F.A. doing anything about that though.