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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: JJ-AV on February 10, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
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Does anyone know if there is a list online of all the home attendances to all of our games?
I overheard some Baggie in a pub in town proudly claiming we only got 8,000 for their game in 1982/83 - tried to check it out but was unable to find it listed anywhere.
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Does anyone know if there is a list online of all the home attendances to all of our games?
I overheard some Baggie in a pub in town proudly claiming we only got 8,000 for their game in 1982/83 - tried to check it out but was unable to find it listed anywhere.
Talking bollocks as usual. We did get a gate of 8000 or so against Southampton once, but not against them, and that was at the height of the hooligan problem when everyone's attendances were awful.
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There have been two games since 1946 when the attendance was 1. It was me turning up on the wrong day.
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Does anyone know if there is a list online of all the home attendances to all of our games?
I overheard some Baggie in a pub in town proudly claiming we only got 8,000 for their game in 1982/83 - tried to check it out but was unable to find it listed anywhere.
26921 in April 1983
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-west-bromwich-albion-19-april-1983-86651/
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I vaguely remember being at a game in the 70/71 season when there were only 10k or so in the ground and the pigeons in the rafters seemed to be making more noise than the crowd.
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Still bigger than most of their gates for the last 30 years.
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indeed
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If the starting point for a "debate" is our lowest league attendance during a time when all clubs' crowds were at a post-Hysel nadir, it is worth noting that in the same season and in the same division that only 8456 turned up at Villa Park on a freezing cold February night, Albion had four attendances of less than 8000 and a low of 6201 against Sheffield Wednesday.
So, in other words, in an era when all attendances were shit, our shittiest was still a third more than their shittiest.
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Does anyone know if there is a list online of all the home attendances to all of our games?
I overheard some Baggie in a pub in town proudly claiming we only got 8,000 for their game in 1982/83 - tried to check it out but was unable to find it listed anywhere.
26921 in April 1983
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-west-bromwich-albion-19-april-1983-86651/
If I remember right that was a midweek game and Alan Curbishley made his full debut. I am pretty sure the Southampton game in 1986 when we had about 8,500 there was the only time our league attendance dipped below 10,000. In that same season Albion and Small Heath were playing in front of less than 10,000 regularly in the same division. I think they both had several attendances under eight thousand. In 1985-1986 we finished 16th in the league table with an average attendance of 15,218. Coventry finished 17th in the table with an average crowd of 11,648, Small Heath were 21st place in the table with an average of 10,118 and Albion finished bottom of the league that year watched by an average attendance of 12,137. In 1987-1988 when we were all in the second division Small Heath averaged 8,576 and Albion averaged 10,126 but i haven't been able to find our average that season.
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Without checking I think it was about 18,000. Highest was Bradford with 36,000. We also played liverpool in the cup and got 46,000.
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A quick search gives our average attendance in 1987-88 as 18,172 - making us that season's 11th best supported club in England, despite being in the Second Division.
The Bradford match does skew the figure somewhat, as I remember plenty of games earlier in the season when the crowd was in the low five-figures.
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I was one of the 8,456 against Southampton on 01/02/86 which was actually a Saturday afternoon game, mostly notable for Dave Ismay getting the bird from a sparsely populated Holte for his ‘get behind your team’ speech. Heaven knows what Tony Barton made of it who returned as part of Saints coaching team.
10-12,000 was commonplace that season, including a 4-1 defeat to Arsenal watched by 10k for another Saturday 3pm game.
Another few big sides had a few shockers:
Spurs vs Blues, old div 1, 16/04/86 - 9,359
Chelsea vs Walsall in old div 2, 04/10/88 - 6,747
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I was one of the 8,456 against Southampton on 01/02/86 which was actually a Saturday afternoon game, mostly notable for Dave Ismay getting the bird from a sparsely populated Holte for his ‘get behind your team’ speech. Heaven knows what Tony Barton made of it who returned as part of Saints coaching team.
10-12,000 was commonplace that season, including a 4-1 defeat to Arsenal watched by 10k for another Saturday 3pm game.
Another few big sides had a few shockers:
Spurs vs Blues, old div 1, 16/04/86 - 9,359
Chelsea vs Walsall in old div 2, 04/10/88 - 6,747
My next door neighbour who took me down the Villa to watch from the Holte from when I was a kid took a year off for personal reasons that 1985-1986 season so I had a season with my mate and his Dad in the upper Trinity. As it was getting closer and closer to kick off on the day of the Southampton game I couldn't believe how sparsely populated the Holte was.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, and again, and again. When you look at what football supporters had to put up with back then, the wonder isn't that crowds were so low, it was that so many of us still turned up.
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The average in 87/88 was 18,342. The EFS site is often wrong by a few hundred. 86/87 was 18,171.
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The 8456 v Southampton , is that our lowest gate for a 1st team game post 70s ?.
I cant think of any lower .
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The 8456 v Southampton , is that our lowest gate for a 1st team game post 70s ?.
I cant think of any lower .
I would say Simod Cup and ZDS cup games were lower. I think we might have got about five and a half thousand for the game against Bradford early in SGT's reign in whatever the chosen name of that Mickey Mouse competition was that year.
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Six thousand-odd for Exeter in the League Cup that season.
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The 8456 v Southampton , is that our lowest gate for a 1st team game post 70s ?.
I cant think of any lower .
I think it’s our lowest (ever recorded) league attendance.
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Didn't they get an 8,000 crowd last week? Muppets.
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Six thousand-odd for Exeter in the League Cup that season.
I think our game against Southampton was our only league game with less than 10,000 there around that time. But I think there were a few when we might have been as low as 12,000-14,000.
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I was one of the 8,456 against Southampton on 01/02/86 which was actually a Saturday afternoon game, mostly notable for Dave Ismay getting the bird from a sparsely populated Holte for his ‘get behind your team’ speech. Heaven knows what Tony Barton made of it who returned as part of Saints coaching team.
10-12,000 was commonplace that season, including a 4-1 defeat to Arsenal watched by 10k for another Saturday 3pm game.
Another few big sides had a few shockers:
Spurs vs Blues, old div 1, 16/04/86 - 9,359
Chelsea vs Walsall in old div 2, 04/10/88 - 6,747
Chelsea are not big. They are rich.
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The 8456 v Southampton , is that our lowest gate for a 1st team game post 70s ?.
I cant think of any lower .
I would say Simod Cup and ZDS cup games were lower. I think we might have got about five and a half thousand for the game against Bradford early in SGT's reign in whatever the chosen name of that Mickey Mouse competition was that year.
Yeah I thought possibly ZDSCup game but because the Southampton game always gets mentioned I thought that maybe been our lowest ever
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The 8456 v Southampton , is that our lowest gate for a 1st team game post 70s ?.
I cant think of any lower .
I would say Simod Cup and ZDS cup games were lower. I think we might have got about five and a half thousand for the game against Bradford early in SGT's reign in whatever the chosen name of that Mickey Mouse competition was that year.
Yeah I thought possibly ZDSCup game but because the Southampton game always gets mentioned I thought that maybe been our lowest ever
I would guess most people don't count attendances at Simod Cup/ZDS Cup games as attendances for that competition were pretty pathetic in general.
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Bradford in the Simod Cup was something like 4200, we also had Derby in the same competition the previous season and it was about 5200.
85/86 was the nadir for most clubs. Our highest home attendance in the league was 27,626 v Man Utd, sha was 26,694. Of the 42 league games we played that season only the away games at Man Utd and Everton had more than 30K, and only 10 of our 42 league games had more than 20K.
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Bradford in the Simod Cup was something like 4200, we also had Derby in the same competition the previous season and it was about 5200.
85/86 was the nadir for most clubs. Our highest home attendance in the league was 27,626 v Man Utd, sha was 26,694. Of the 42 league games we played that season only the away games at Man Utd and Everton had more than 30K, and only 10 of our 42 league games had more than 20K.
I think it was pretty poor from about 1984 to 1986 in the main. Apart from Liverpool and Manure who stayed around 40,000 a lot of the time teams like Villa, Arsenal and Spurs (even though Spurs were doing pretty well around then) were all regularly getting less than 20,000. I think Everton were getting similar crowds to us and were sometimes down to 12,000-14,000 before they suddenly came to life in the second half of 1983-1984.
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Going back to the original post, an Albion fan talking utter cobblers. Who’d have thought it?
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Going back to the original post, an Albion fan talking utter cobblers. Who’d have thought it?
Small Heath and Albion fans rewrite history even more than those who deny the holocaust atrocities.
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what explains the severe downturn in attendances generally in the mid eighties? I've just trawled back through history and the lowest attendance I can find in 1970/71 was just over 16,000 so my memory was playing tricks. The following season home attendances were ridiculously high.
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what explains the severe downturn in attendances generally in the mid eighties? I've just trawled back through history and the lowest attendance I can find in 1970/71 was just over 16,000 so my memory was playing tricks. The following season home attendances were ridiculously high.
They'd been going down for decades but a combination of hooliganism, Heysel, awful conditions and the media saying that if you went to a match you were likely to end up at least dead if not worse all came to a head in 1985-86. Our decline was probably steeper than most because the joys of 1980-83 had stopped it for a bit.
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The actual attendance might be clouded by time, but I remember me and a mate going to VP for a Simon Cup game against Bradford.
I'm thinking about 5000 or so. We didn't overly want to go either, so for a laugh, we decided to go in the Bradford end with their travelling few.
Bradford won 5-0!!!
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The 86/87 bitters season alone shows them having 16 attendances less than 10,000.
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Crowds were poor in the early eighties too, if my memory serves me correctly wasn’t our average gate the year we won the league 33,000 with Liverpool only averaging 32,000 the following season when they won it ?
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what explains the severe downturn in attendances generally in the mid eighties? I've just trawled back through history and the lowest attendance I can find in 1970/71 was just over 16,000 so my memory was playing tricks. The following season home attendances were ridiculously high.
They'd been going down for decades but a combination of hooliganism, Heysel, awful conditions and the media saying that if you went to a match you were likely to end up at least dead if not worse all came to a head in 1985-86. Our decline was probably steeper than most because the joys of 1980-83 had stopped it for a bit.
Very true. The other factor was unemployment which was very high especially in the West Midlands during the 80s. Nationally unemployment was above 10% between 1981 (13%) and 1987 so I'd imagine locally the numbers were much higher.
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[/glo wasnt the 8ooo against the saints also not helped by a protest about how we had gone fron champoons of europe to virtual relegatoon so qiickly
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The old spill chucker is working well I see
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Spell checker set to the Policeman off Allo Allo setting?
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Also, that text is glowing. Polonium poisoning. Prolly Putin. Launch the thingummyjigs.