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Title: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 08, 2019, 09:29:23 PM
It's all gone a bit pear-shaped BLOODY HELL!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on February 08, 2019, 09:30:37 PM
Come on!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 08, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Errr...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on February 08, 2019, 09:40:41 PM
Cracks papered. Great finish, diarrhoea performance.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2019, 09:40:49 PM
It's all gone a bit pear-shaped.

For Sheff Utd.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 09:41:23 PM
Fucking shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: D.boy on February 08, 2019, 09:41:37 PM
As the yoof would say ..... WTF!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on February 08, 2019, 09:41:44 PM
You can moan about the moaners, but it's warranted.  That said, fuck me sideways if that doesn't act as a lightening rod for the rest of this sorry season nothing ever will.  Fantastic comeback. 

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 08, 2019, 09:41:48 PM
The Leeds comeback seemed to massively knock us. Take this comeback no and fucking use it to push the fuck on!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on February 08, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
I am fucking not happy with another point. However, it's not often you see that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 09:42:19 PM
Remarkable get out of jail. But a terrible display up to the last 10 mins.

Ref, rubbish.

Pleased for Green that header took fucking guts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on February 08, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
Get the fuck in.

Turning point?

Well done Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
How can a side be so shit for 80 odd mins and then unplayable for the last 15.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 08, 2019, 09:42:59 PM
That’s the definition of a point gained.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nelly on February 08, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
Dunno really. Apart from the fireworks at the end we created nothing. Lots of work to do. We may just about scrape the playoffs but I think next season is the one we should aim for.

Up the villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2019, 09:43:46 PM
Awful performance and Smith needs to get a grip although even the play offs look unlikely now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 08, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
Dismal for 82 minutes.  Then, inspired.  Sheff Utd shat themselves silly.

I would say they were playing with 12 men because the ref had a total stinker, but his performance for them was offset by their goalkeeper who was dreadful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 09:44:38 PM
How can a side be so shit for 80 odd mins and then unplayable for the last 15.

I think a lot came down to Sheffield Utd bottling it. It’s a great feeling, but the 80 minutes were piss poor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: passitsideways on February 08, 2019, 09:44:40 PM
Mostly shithouse, but I think we've clearly reached the point where we're just hanging around and waiting for Grealish to not only get back but also get up to speed quickly as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 08, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
Overall, nowhere near good enough, another season in this league just leaves you breathless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 08, 2019, 09:45:41 PM
I don’t blame anyone who left early or after the third...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on February 08, 2019, 09:46:32 PM
We are the pools coupoun queens
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 08, 2019, 09:46:41 PM
We were pish. We came from 3-0 down. We were pish.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2019, 09:46:46 PM
Great finish, but teams above us with two games in hand now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on February 08, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
To quote a better Scottish manager than the ones we’re used to.. Football, bloody hell.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 08, 2019, 09:48:08 PM
We were awful and deservedly losing. But looking at it objectionally, there 2nd was a joke and we should of had a pen. Ridiculous stuff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Uknowthescore on February 08, 2019, 09:48:57 PM
Wow didn’t see that one coming. Thought mings was class
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 08, 2019, 09:49:02 PM
Great finish, but teams above us with two games in hand now.
Spoilsport
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 08, 2019, 09:49:06 PM
That doesn't normally happen to us.  Happens against us all the bloody time, but we never come back like that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on February 08, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
When we were 0-3 down it was what we deserved, 3 late goals will paper over the cracks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on February 08, 2019, 09:49:47 PM
We were so fuckin shit it was ace!!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 08, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
Played all of our Get out of Jail cards in one sitting there. Absolutely murdered is until the 81st minute.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 09:50:41 PM
We were awful and deservedly losing. But looking at it objectionally, there 2nd was a joke and we should of had a pen. Ridiculous stuff.

Two pens. By my maths that makes it 5-2.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2019, 09:50:45 PM
Can Mings play Centre mid?
Him Jack and SJM
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
That doesn't normally happen to us.  Happens against us all the bloody time, but we never come back like that.

Except we've gained more points from losing positions than anyone else in the division this season. 18.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 08, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
I honestly try stay away here atm regarding the negativity. Keepers always at fault, manager shit when players let us down etc.

Oh can we please have VAR. Evens out over season shit is wrong...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on February 08, 2019, 09:50:57 PM
For 50 years now I can safely say the only predictable thing about the Villa is the unpredictability.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on February 08, 2019, 09:50:57 PM
Another terrible performance, so no, fuck off. I’m not celebrating a point at home.

They should be ashamed of that.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 08, 2019, 09:51:07 PM
We were so fuckin shit it was ace!!!!

Ha ha 🤣🤣 quality
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 08, 2019, 09:51:22 PM
I don’t blame anyone who left early or after the third...
Cheers . I left on 75
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on February 08, 2019, 09:51:55 PM
Say what you like about Glenn Whelan.

He's like Andrea Pirlo compared to Mile Jedinak.

I honestly can't believe we've got a point from that. Eighty minutes of utter tripe, followed by a barnstorming 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on February 08, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
BBC jumped the gun a bit:

Quote
Billy Sharp hit a classic goal poacher's hat-trick but Sheffield United then blew their chance to go top of the Championship table when Aston Villa scored three late goals to rescue an astonishing point.

The Blades were 3-0 up with just eight minutes of normal time left after Sharp's three close-range strikes.

But Tyrone Mings and Tammy Abrahams scored twice in four minutes before sub Andre Green headed an injury-time third.

More to follow.

    Relive Sheffield United's win at Aston Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 09:52:31 PM
Another terrible performance, so no, fuck off. I’m not celebrating a point at home.

They should be ashamed of that.

My Mrs is asking me why I'm not happy. She's even more pissed off than she was by me saying 'celebrate a draw against you lot?'
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 09:52:45 PM
Remember when Bruce was here. If we lost the first goal we knew we'd lose*.


*Although, to be fair to the fat bastard, if we scored first we tended not to lose.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 08, 2019, 09:52:54 PM
And not forgetting a huge congratulations to Tammy on his 20 goal haul. 👏🏼
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 08, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
Top quality header from Green I thought.  At any time, but especially deep in injury time complete a comeback.  Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 08, 2019, 09:53:06 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 09:53:10 PM
I honestly try stay away here atm regarding the negativity. Keepers always at fault, manager shit when players let us down etc.

Oh can we please have VAR. Evens out over season shit is wrong...

It’s realism on this display, for the first 80 minutes we were terrible. It’s a really pleasing last 10, but Dean needs to sort our level out it’s not good enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: jimmygreen on February 08, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
House just went nuts. That was the most excruciating 81 minutes followed by the most exhilarating 12. We were so tonk.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on February 08, 2019, 09:53:55 PM
Weird game. I don’t think we’d played that bad at 0-3.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: phantom limb on February 08, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
I thought we were poor for most of the game but I also thought they were a bunch of cheating bastards, the ref let them get away with murder at times. I know I’m biased but that second goal was absolutely criminal. I think on the face of it the draw was deserved, so bollocks, I’m off for a pint.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on February 08, 2019, 09:54:39 PM
Love Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on February 08, 2019, 09:54:49 PM
we weren’t just 3 nill down we were 3 nill down at 80 minutes

we badly needed a shot of confidence hopefully that’s what this comeback will do for us because apart from the last 10 minutes it was a poor show really
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 08, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 09:55:10 PM
Top quality header from Green I thought.  At any time, but especially deep in injury time complete a comeback.  Lovely stuff.

Yeah it took fucking guts as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: jimmygreen on February 08, 2019, 09:55:14 PM
And Glenn Whalen made a difference when he came on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2019, 09:55:17 PM
Our full backs are shit but at least Hutton kept going.
Jedi was atrocious.
Hourihane shit.
Kodija his frustrating don’t give a fuck self.
Ming’s is some player, I thought El Gazi kept trying,
SJMcarried the midfield again.
Not convinced by the keeper.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 08, 2019, 09:55:25 PM
If we had 10 more minutes or so we probably would have won it, mainly due to them completely bottling it.

Smith for me is massively out of his depth. 3 wins from the last 14 games is beyond pathetic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Hopadop on February 08, 2019, 09:56:04 PM
I know we were shit, but I fucking loved that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
Our full backs are shit but at least Hutton kept going.
Jedi was atrocious.
Hourihane shit.
Kodija his frustrating don’t give a fuck self.
Ming’s is some player, I thought El Gazi kept trying,
SJMcarried the midfield again.
Not convinced by the keeper.

Pretty fair summary, not sure I agree re keeper yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 09:56:38 PM
And Glenn Whalen made a difference when he came on.

He did, partially because Jedinak was so desperately poor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Smoke on February 08, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
2 stonewall pens ignored for us. Their second goal is just pathetic officiating from both the ref and the linesman. Offside then booted the ball out of the keepers hands.

Absolute dog shit performance for 70mins.

Jedinak is finished. Can't run, can't pass.

For once please can we use a comeback as a springboard to ignite a storming run.


Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 08, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
2 stonewall pens ignored for us.

First was, definitely, not so much the second.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 08, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
Credit to the 11 that finished the game. Down and out until the 80+ minute, pulled a result out of the bag and even could have won it if a pen had been rightly awarded. We need to use this result as a springboard in the same way this result might just scupper sheff utds promotion chances  UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 08, 2019, 09:58:11 PM
2 stonewall pens ignored for us. Their second goal is just pathetic officiating from both the ref and the linesman. Offside then booted the ball out of the keepers hands.

Absolute dog shit performance for 70mins.

Jedinak is finished. Can't run, can't pass.

For once please can we use a comeback as a springboard to ignite a storming run.

We can but dream...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Loxton01 on February 08, 2019, 09:58:56 PM
I thought first 15 mins we were dire.

After that we matched them without a goal threat. Second half there second goal rocked us and the third was totally dire. It was noticeable kodija was taken straight off after that .... he simply doesn’t work hard enough

Mad last 15 mins but at least we got some good balls in

Positives

Thought Mings looked very good throughout calm and assured

The fight back
Whelan did well when he came on and got some forward balls going

Negatives

Conor Hourihane you cannot keep a player in the team just for deliveries from set pieces

Kalinic does little to inspire

Neil Taylor cannot defend and with a side of him hourihane and kodija it’s a recipe for disaster.

Kodija clearly is not a smith favourite therefore is simply a waste of a selection as he is disinterested.

At least we didn’t lose but we cannot keep drawing games



Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on February 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Rather we did that to them than other way round
Mings great signing, considering we all thought Kortney was going there and Mings LB.
with good reviews of new french RB and chester/tommy I’m sure next season will be much better at the back
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
For 82 minutes just not good enough and unacceptable .The last 15 mins Sheffield bottled it but at least we started to play and showed some fight .Considering one of their goals should have been flagged offside twice and then kicked out of Kalinic hands and we were denied a pen,possibly two a draw is a good result. Plus points Tammy first Villa player to score 20 league goals since Peter Withe and 28 games since we failed to score in a League game at Villa Park.Oh and we are above Small Heath
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 08, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
We were so fuckin shit it was ace!!!!

It reminded me of an old quote from a 'Colemanballs' book by Howard Wilkinson. "Just because you are dead doesn't mean you should just lie down and be buried".
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:01:03 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.

I can't think of too many better performances by an opposition team since we've been down here. Until the 82nd minute, obviously.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
And Glenn Whalen made a difference when he came on.

He did, partially because Jedinak was so desperately poor.
I think Jedi passed to them every time, at least Wheelan kept it moving on to a Villa player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 08, 2019, 10:01:41 PM
That doesn't normally happen to us.  Happens against us all the bloody time, but we never come back like that.

Except we've gained more points from losing positions than anyone else in the division this season. 18.

To be fair the SKY commentator was trotting that one out several times during the evening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on February 08, 2019, 10:03:30 PM
And Glenn Whalen made a difference when he came on.

He did, partially because Jedinak was so desperately poor.
I think Jedi passed to them every time, at least Wheelan kept it moving on to a Villa player.

Whelan is better than a totally spent Jedi. Neither are great
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on February 08, 2019, 10:05:39 PM
We were awful and deservedly losing. But looking at it objectionally, there 2nd was a joke and we should of had a pen. Ridiculous stuff.

2 pens

Yeah they were better for 80 mins and they were dire for the last 10 + Injury time. Got what they deserved. Dirty Bastards. Albeit sneaking admiration for them and always have.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 08, 2019, 10:05:45 PM
Whelan proved me wrong today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on February 08, 2019, 10:06:44 PM
Confidence matters so much. We were short of it and Sheffield United weren't.
Maybe this last few minutes may be a turning point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:07:18 PM
Whelan proved me wrong today.

Well he was a fuck load better than the utterly terrible Jedinak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Whelan proved me wrong today.

Over 30 minutes. I'm not sure he would over 90. But whatever, he was great tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on February 08, 2019, 10:09:16 PM
1 stonewall pen, didn’t think the other one was though.

Either way that’s an amazing comeback. We just need to try and build on it now and take the positives because there’s plenty if we want to see them after an awful first 70 mins. Feels like a win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on February 08, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Whilst we've got crap like Hutton and Taylor in the side, we will always struggle to keep clean sheets.  I don't think the keeper did a lot wrong tonight to be fair.  Mings was excellent and could be great next to Chester.  The centre of our midfield is awful and we need to be patient whilst Smith gets it sorted in the summer.  We were truly terrible up until Mings scored.  After that, despite Hourihane still managing to be a hologram, Taylor being useless etc, we found something.   Use it like a win but sadly, when we have to keep picking the same old shit, we are a lottery.  Magic comeback, loved it.  But we should not have been in that position in the first place.  The referee was crap. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:11:19 PM
I'm not one to hyperbolise, but Glenn Whelan has been the most important Villa player of the last 20 years. He fucked us for a decade with that Stoke equaliser; he missed the penalty Vs Preston; he saved us tonight, leading to our promotion this season, and our glorious Premier League winning season next year.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on February 08, 2019, 10:11:26 PM
When are they going to use the fucking technology? Their second would've been over ruled and a definite penalty with the shirt pull on Mings!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on February 08, 2019, 10:11:41 PM
Talk about an emotional roller coaster...

We were garbage until we scored except for Elphick and Mings who both continue to impress. Whelan did well when he came on. He looked like he cared and was trying to motivate his team mates. The ref had a shocker (it seems like we are saying that every game lately).

I would still like to know what has happened to the style of play from the purple patch just after Dean arrived, right now we we look more Bruce than Smith.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 08, 2019, 10:13:01 PM
Have we got a link to Deano's post match interview? I missed it as my old man phoned me for my post match views.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 08, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.

I can't think of too many better performances by an opposition team since we've been down here. Until the 82nd minute, obviously.

Agree with Hilts. We were utter shite thus making it easy for them. A half decent side would have buried us today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 08, 2019, 10:14:04 PM
VAR please
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.

I can't think of too many better performances by an opposition team since we've been down here. Until the 82nd minute, obviously.

Agree with Hilts. We were utter shite thus making it easy for them. A half decent side would have buried us today.

They did bury us! They should've cremated us though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:16:39 PM
Taylor and Hutton were poor, barely stopped a cross. Tommy and Mings were good, which is a weird thing to say of a centre half pairing in a team that concedes 3.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 08, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.

I can't think of too many better performances by an opposition team since we've been down here. Until the 82nd minute, obviously.

Agree with Hilts. We were utter shite thus making it easy for them. A half decent side would have buried us today.

They did bury us! They should've cremated us though.

After the first 15 minutes I was expecting a cricket score. They're tidy and hard working but I expect to play them again in the play-offs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 08, 2019, 10:18:47 PM
Six derbies in the next six games. 'The Dean Smith derby' against Brentford and then Albion, Stoke, Derby, Small Heath and Martin O'Neill's Forest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on February 08, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
Whelan is definitely the better of our two old, shit holding midfielders.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on February 08, 2019, 10:20:37 PM
Taylor and Hutton were poor, barely stopped a cross. Tommy and Mings were good, which is a weird thing to say of a centre half pairing in a team that concedes 3.

Part of the blame should also be attributed to the lack of cover by Kodjia and El G. They are the Quartet of Ineptitude.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:22:15 PM
Taylor and Hutton were poor, barely stopped a cross. Tommy and Mings were good, which is a weird thing to say of a centre half pairing in a team that concedes 3.

Part of the blame should also be attributed to the lack of cover by Kodjia and El G. They are the Quartet of Ineptitude.

To an extent, but I think even that centres on the utterly dreadful Jedinak. He didn’t protect the defence and was actively detrimental to our attacking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:24:27 PM
As I said earlier, Sheff Utd are nothing special. Confidence helps and hopefully we can build on this. The less said about the first 80 odd minutes the best.
Actually I thought they were pretty good, apart from their goalie.  Knocked it about nicely, incisive.  Difficult to judge properly when they're playing against utter shite for 80 minutes.

I can't think of too many better performances by an opposition team since we've been down here. Until the 82nd minute, obviously.

Agree with Hilts. We were utter shite thus making it easy for them. A half decent side would have buried us today.

They did bury us! They should've cremated us though.

After the first 15 minutes I was expecting a cricket score. They're tidy and hard working but I expect to play them again in the play-offs.

Who would you say has dominated us more? Fulham away last season and Brentford away the season before (or maybe it was last season...), I can't remember too many shoeings like we got tonight apart from those. Sheffield Utd away this season, maybe (I didn't see it)?

They stopped us playing by being organised and relentless tonight, and, as they knew, we don't really like defending. Must sting a bit for them, bless!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
Why on earth start with Jedinak tonight?  Even Bjarnason would have been a better option than him, and I am in no way a fan of the sulky BB.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:25:37 PM
Why on earth start with Jedinak tonight?  Even Bjarnason would have been a better option than him, and I am in no way a fan of the sulky BB.

I was pleased when I saw him on the teamsheet. He was woeful. He's finished.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on February 08, 2019, 10:25:55 PM
To an extent, but I think even that centres on the utterly dreadful Jedinak. He didn’t protect the defence and was actively detrimental to our attacking.

I agree Jedinak was very poor also...make it The Quintet of Ineptitude.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2019, 10:26:02 PM

Who would you say has dominated us more? Fulham away last season and Brentford away the season before (or maybe it was last season...), I can't remember too many shoeings like we got tonight apart from those. Sheffield Utd away this season, maybe (I didn't see it)?

They stopped us playing by being organised and relentless tonight, and, as they knew, we don't really like defending. Must sting a bit for them, bless!

Wigan away this season. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 08, 2019, 10:26:05 PM
Our team is fuckin bonkers. Terrible performance for 70% of the game but by Christ what a come-back! I’m out of breath!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on February 08, 2019, 10:27:17 PM
Kodjia is a real disappointment. I don't know if his injury has caused this or he just doesn't card and wants out.
Maybe both.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:27:46 PM

Who would you say has dominated us more? Fulham away last season and Brentford away the season before (or maybe it was last season...), I can't remember too many shoeings like we got tonight apart from those. Sheffield Utd away this season, maybe (I didn't see it)?

They stopped us playing by being organised and relentless tonight, and, as they knew, we don't really like defending. Must sting a bit for them, bless!

Wigan away this season. 

I didn't see that either, but I'll take your word for it. The point is, they fucking steamrollered us. And then we gave them a bit back. It feels good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on February 08, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on February 08, 2019, 10:33:08 PM
Kodjia is a real disappointment. I don't know if his injury has caused this or he just doesn't card and wants out.
Maybe both.

Kodja can fuck off - don't give a shit. Seenenough like him over the years.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on February 08, 2019, 10:34:19 PM
Hutton never stopped despite some poor defending real effort all match.
Acknowledgement to Whelan came on moved the ball cajoled and got things going
So please for Green .
And Mings can put past behind him as was very decent depsite 3 goal conceded.
Felt was more the middle area of pitch and wide forward who didn't help the situation for some of their goals and chances.

Jedinak and Hourihane were pretty dam awful and weak.
Wasn't very impressive- Jedi wasn't up to speed and Hourihane lacks any drive or responsibility.
Kodjia another who looks laboured these days.

Was brilliant the way battle back for the draw and Abraham and McGinn are the main two solid performers every match.

Before the comeback well as most said who saw , listened or went very dire and lack of any real quality.

Their second goal was an offence and yet again the ref in championship has been sub standard.

Another reason be happy to get out of this league

Was breath taking and happy for Smith took something and I only just realised it was only a point though my feelings are jubilant and more like 3points.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.

It was a good 6 inches over.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:34:51 PM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.

It was and there’s goal line tech which sets off the device on the ref’s arm isn’t there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 08, 2019, 10:37:15 PM
All over the place for 80 mins, they were all over the place for  the last 10. Mcginn deserves the most credit for still fighting when the game was seemingly dead. Fuck me, what a player we have.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:39:31 PM
McGinn is tremendous.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 10:39:58 PM
First of all Sheffield United are a very good team.

They play like one for a start. Everyone one of their 11 knows their roles etc. Have to say it's tempting due to a wholly British team and manager to just think they hoofball but not for the first time they knocked the ball around with ease, sort of stuff we were doing pre xmas before it all fell apart.

I'd prefer to see them go up than Leeds or Norwich for the automatics.

Going 0-3 down was still disappointing even if we were second best. Guess most on this thread have seen replays which I haven't yet but amazed Sharp wasn't called offside for the second.

Anyway some games you still feel we can come back but aside from a brief flurry towards the end of the first half we were miles off. Think the first corner we won was ironically the one we scored from and that was 81st minute which says it all.

So a daylight robbery memorable comeback. Will it actually lead to anything......no. We're just not good enough as a unit this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
Left in a strop on 75 minutes.

Then find out we've drawn, then remembered I had four quid on 3-3 correct score at 50/1.

Weird night. Anyway I've no idea if we turned into Man City for the left ten minutes but the 75 I saw were absolutely fucking terrible.

Not even anywhere near acceptable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on February 08, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
Absolutely awful but good comeback.

I like Mings.  Chuffed for Green.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 08, 2019, 10:41:26 PM
too many players going through the motions

we need to get the pressing back the movement back and the passing back

however how did the ref miss that pull on our player
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 08, 2019, 10:43:47 PM
I hope that kick starts our season again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on February 08, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
I’ve been here since the 90s and I love it - it is my daily bread being in toon land but what has become apparent is the negativity which pervades the general mood - for me football should be about positivity and the escape from the norm - it’s about dreams - and at the moment that isn’t really my experience at the moment. I know this will be seen as a cop out but I need more positivity in my life after personal tragic events
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on February 08, 2019, 10:44:46 PM
As bad as we were, if we had had VAR, their 2nd goal would have been disallowed and we would have had 2 pens. Amongst many, one of the disappointments for me was the first time we tested the goalie was not until our 1st goal, when he was nowhere when the cross came in, but still a good header from Tyrone and the second time he made another cock up gifting Tammy his 20th goal for us. The 3rd was a lovely cross for SJM and a cracking header from Andre.

In 62 years of following Villa can't think of another occasion, when we came back from 3 down in the last 14 mins to snatch a draw, let alone having played so crap in the first 81 mins. Yes it papered over the cracks, but I'm going to bed on a high.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: DB on February 08, 2019, 10:46:21 PM
I hope that kick starts our season again.

I was thinking the same. To comeback against a team looking to go top, hoepfully it will kick us up the arse.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:50:05 PM
I hope that kick starts our season again.

I was thinking the same. To comeback against a team looking to go top, hoepfully it will kick us up the arse.

We Leeds coming back as they did seemed to put us off our stride. Hopefully this will do the opposite. Even more because there was always a feeling/fear that Leed weren't finished that day. We were dead, buried and the insurance had paid out tonight. I'm actually really proud of them for pulling that out of the bag. They'll no doubt be delighted if they find out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 10:51:33 PM
I don’t blame anyone who left early or after the third...
I never leave early. Even in those 0-4 Spurs and 0-6 Liverpool I stayed till the bitter end  but....but today I left as soon as the clock struck 80th:(
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:53:35 PM
I don’t blame anyone who left early or after the third...
I never leave early. Even in those 0-4 Spurs and 0-6 Liverpool I stayed till the bitter end  but....but today I left as soon as the clock struck 80th:(

Absolute Johnny come lately nu-football scum. I watched it on my laptop right until the end. #betterfan
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
I fuckin love football, me. 3 down, ten to go, and we'd have won it if it weren't for their dastardly time-wasting. Grrrr.

Jedinak. We'd have been better playing with ten, cos he effectively reduced us to nine. Fuck me, he was shit.

Him, Kodjia, Taylor, Hutton, seeing a Villa side with none of them in it can't come quick enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 10:55:06 PM
I fuckin love football, me. 3 down, ten to go, and we'd have won it if it weren't for their dastardly time-wasting. Grrrr.

Jedinak. We'd have been better playing with ten, cos he effectively reduced us to nine. Fuck me, he was shit.

Him, Kodjia, Taylor, Hutton, seeing a Villa side with none of them in it can't come quick enough.

I agree with every word except Hutton. I thought he was fine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on February 08, 2019, 10:56:19 PM
Wow. An object lesson in why not to leave the game early! There was a fire drill on about 75 minutes, and on 80 I was even thinking of leaving myself, having rarely left a game early before. And then we got 1 - consolation at best, I thought, as up until that went in we'd given new meanings to the words 'inept' and 'pants'. So I stayed. And then followed the craziest last 10 minutes of a game you could ever see, and the Holte went absolutely bananas

Shocking performance for 80 minutes, not going to bother analysing who were our worst players, dreadful officiating yet again, but the end will stay long in the memory

And ironically by staying til the end I beat all the traffic!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 10:58:16 PM
I can understand why he picked Jedinak from the start. Sheffield United got plenty of strength and we saw their danger from the early corners.

I know Jedinak is no Xavi/Iniesta with his passing skills but I dread to think of what his pass completion percentage was tonight. Of his first 10 6/7 went to a Sheffield United player and other 3 were overhit and went out of play.

Mind you Hourihane hit some crossfield shockers aswell.

Summer can't come soon enough. You'll probably see about 6 new signings for midfield, we need that much surgery in that area. Again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on February 08, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
Another 6 goal thriller down the Villa but for the vast majority of that game we looked a beaten docket in every area of the pitch, Mings aside.

Our three goals were down to dreadful defensive errors lets be honest but still we always look like we can score, even at our worst.

Delighted for Green, hopefully that gives him a much needed boost of confidence, goal aside he was deperately poor

Agreed with others, Whelan was key to us getting back into it, got a bit of tempo into our play and kicked everything that moved

But there was so much wrong with that display, I dont think we have a prayer of improving to be honest unless Grealish got fit quickly

Kalinic 4 - agility of a man mountain, presence of a cat. horrible habit of parrying the ball back into danger areas too. Steer would have done until end of season
Hutton 6 - tried hard all night but brutal for their third goal, got zero protection in front of him all night hence giving him a slight pass
Elphick 5 - solid for the most part though Sharp's movement caused him problems
Mings 8 - our best player by a long way, physically dominant and tidy with the ball, big danger at attacking set pieces
Taylor 3 - a charlatan, please Smith never pick this guy for Villa again, Hause simply cannot be any worse
El Ghazi 4 - all fart and no shit, in fairness he did keep trying but no evidence of any quality
Hourihane 3 - utterly dreadful, passenger without the ball, woeful with it, standard assist again
Jedinak 2 - I was in favour of bringing him in, absence making the heart grow fonder possibly, as bad an individual display as I can recall. arguably at fault for two goals and thats only a small part of how dreadfully poor he was. Would be in favour of paying him up to be honest as surely his final appearance tonight for us.
McGinn 5 - delicious assist at end but was fairly anonymous that aside and part of a midfield three that were destroyed. Need to play him deeper as its not working with him higher up.
Kodjia 2 - never want to see this character in a Villa shirt again, did not try a leg. Davis on ahead of him for rest of season. We missed a trick not getting rid of him.
Abraham 5 - poor tonight, robbed in possession quite a bit. precious little service until very end.

Whelan 8 - unpopular sub but a real pro tonight. very tidy on ball but more importantly got stuck into everything that moved when he came in. Cant afford for him to be first choice but showed his value tonight.
Green 6 - horror show in truth until brilliant header at end. needs to be on right wing as his left foot is really poor. hopefully can kick on now

Ref 2 - scandalous officiating again at this level
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: villan from luton on February 08, 2019, 11:03:31 PM
I fuckin love football, me. 3 down, ten to go, and we'd have won it if it weren't for their dastardly time-wasting. Grrrr.

Jedinak. We'd have been better playing with ten, cos he effectively reduced us to nine. Fuck me, he was shit.

Him, Kodjia, Taylor, Hutton, seeing a Villa side with none of them in it can't come quick enough.

I agree with every word except Hutton. I thought he was fine.


I think the two centre mids were ponderous to say the least. As for the ull backs, they are not ball players, in their defence I will say there was no movement other than Tammy. As for the two wingers, terrible and the one things us old Villa fans is 110% commitment. I don't think that was there
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on February 08, 2019, 11:05:39 PM
I'm fucking proud of every single one of those players tonight. Yes, things weren't great for 80 minutes, and the officials didn't help with that (to say the least!), but they kept going!

This needs to be used to give us some confidence going forward. That's your job, Mr Smith.

Oh, and John McGinn. Please sign a life long contract 👌and

P.S. Fucking well done Andre Green 👍
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 11:06:21 PM
My Mrs got very patronising when they were 3-0 up with 10 to go. Then 'ooh you've got one, see? '
Then 'oh you've got two'.

Then.... Hahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on February 08, 2019, 11:08:44 PM
I don’t blame anyone who left early or after the third...
I never leave early. Even in those 0-4 Spurs and 0-6 Liverpool I stayed till the bitter end  but....but today I left as soon as the clock struck 80th:(
Same. First time ever today and left at 80 mins. Unacceptable performance with exceptions made for Mings, McGinn and Abrahams.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 11:11:46 PM
And not forgetting a huge congratulations to Tammy on his 20 goal haul. 👏🏼
Peter Withe will not be pleased after his next.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on February 08, 2019, 11:14:17 PM
We were outplayed for 82 minutes, but it still feels good to snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat.

When Whelan came on I thought WTF?  But he made a difference, and it meant Jedi, who was abysmal, went off. Surely has to be the latter's swansong?

Mings and Elphick look ok as a partnership, but we have shit FBs and a chaotic midfield (SJM excluded).

The officiating was once again questionable at best, and most of the iffy decisions went against us.  But it shouldn't disguise the fact we were torn a new one for most of this game. 

Hard to fathom how it's gone form brilliant attacking football to plodding ponderous, and Bruce-like.

But let's hope this is a turning point and a catalyst for better things.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on February 08, 2019, 11:17:39 PM
I stuck it out as I always do, so I felt I'd almost earned that comeback just for that, after another appalling display up until the first goal.

I felt elated at the end, but it's tempered by what went on for 80 minutes.

For a change, we did at least throw the kitchen sink at it and although we got a helping hand from their keeper and the defender it paid off.

I was pleased for Green, especially as he'd delivered a couple of wretched crosses previously.

Their second shouldn't have been allowed, but it was a slow motion car crash from Kalinic anyway. How many goals have been attributable to poor keeping this season?

In hindsight, the Whelan switch should've happened earlier and I'm no great fan.  Also, the wingers are just not working whoever we try as they are too easily nullified by opponents that press in midfield.

They were efficient and had more verve than us, but really they are just decent journeymen with a manager who's getting more than the optimum out of them. The least that should be expected, especially at home, is to match them for effort and energy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 08, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11632079/aston-villa-3-3-sheffield-united
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 11:20:14 PM
Their second was  a disgrace for officials. Sharp was miles offside and then he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands...yes both hands.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
Just seen the highlights.Their second goal was as bad a decision as the Sandwell hand of rod goal was. Sharp was offside and then kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands .Hutton as usual lost his man for the third goal .We certainly should have had at least one pen .Considering how dreadful we were for 82 minutes i am happy to have a point
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2019, 11:28:01 PM
DS Sky post-match (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11632096/smith-officials-didnt-do-their-job)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: St AustellAVFC on February 08, 2019, 11:29:21 PM
Well bugger me, what a comeback. I left home at HT, not by protest but to go to work, my comical Fulham supporting brother was keeping me updated. That’s a huge point and the difference between making and not making top 6 ( I hope)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: colin69 on February 08, 2019, 11:32:50 PM
Terrible 80 minutes, great last 10 minutes. Jedinak way off the pace and Hourihane just awful. But at 3-0 down I’d take a draw all day long....great atmosphere in the Holte End when our third went in.
Really can’t see us getting into the play offs, but then I couldn’t see us getting 3 goals in 10 minutes so who knows.

Smith in by the way....
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on February 08, 2019, 11:33:08 PM
Don't really know what to say or think about that really.  The first 80 minutes were absolutely dire and I don't think what happened in the last ten minutes should detract from that.  It looked like we had given up, but to stick at it and get a point in the end deserves credit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: MillerBall on February 08, 2019, 11:34:36 PM
Full credit for the comeback. I left on 78 mins only to find a huge queue at Aston station. Some happy fans when news of the equaliser came through. Our defence is truly awful!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2019, 11:35:30 PM
I'm struggling to remember a season in my time that's had so many bizarre games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 11:39:31 PM
49 goals we have now conceded in the League,only Ipswich 51 have only conceded more. Why Smith did not bring in a couple of full backs and a defensive midfielder only he knows
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 11:43:45 PM
For balance you should mention how many we have scored as well?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on February 08, 2019, 11:43:57 PM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: myf on February 08, 2019, 11:46:15 PM
Our full backs are shit but at least Hutton kept going.
Jedi was atrocious.
Hourihane shit.
Kodija his frustrating don’t give a fuck self.
Ming’s is some player, I thought El Gazi kept trying,
SJMcarried the midfield again.
Not convinced by the keeper.

Hutton keeps going? to where exactly. another game where he was torn a new one. it's embarrassing
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 11:49:22 PM
I'm struggling to remember a season in my time that's had so many bizarre games.

All the crazy games seem to happen midweek/week nights. The Saturday games have been pretty sterile by comparison.

That's one thing I do like being down here, all the midweek randomness.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 11:49:44 PM
I think Whelan's our best option at the base of the midfield. He doesn't give the ball away cheaply. If players move ahead of him, he'll generally find them. It's when we collectively get a bit static that his lack of trickery and guile means he goes backwards or sideways for the sake of it. He'll definitely need replacing once we've secured Champions League qualification, but he'll do for now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 11:50:13 PM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?
Sharp is offside when the first ball is played, he is also offside when Madine heads the ball and keeper ONLY had two hands on the ball. But other than that officials did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 11:50:33 PM
If the pattern was reversed I don't think we'd be praising the first 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Leicester_Villian on February 08, 2019, 11:51:34 PM
There should be more praise tonight for Glen Whelan .....he was the player who changed the game for Villa .....most people see him as the scapegoat but compared to Jefi tonight he was world class ...although maybe I could have been too ...but well done GW tonight
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 11:53:40 PM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?

Is he off when the initial shot comes in? It's hard to make a case that he's not interfering, if he is stood offside.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on February 08, 2019, 11:59:05 PM
I'm going to have to take responsibility for this one...my claret match day hoody was in the wash and we scored 3 after I left. My humble apologies.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on February 09, 2019, 12:02:14 AM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?
Sharp is offside when the first ball is played, he is also offside when Madine heads the ball and keeper ONLY had two hands on the ball. But other than that officials did nothing wrong.

Arguably offside after the cross, but maybe not interfering. He’s behind the ball when it’s headed back so can’t be offside.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2019, 12:04:01 AM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?
Sharp is offside when the first ball is played, he is also offside when Madine heads the ball and keeper ONLY had two hands on the ball. But other than that officials did nothing wrong.

Arguably offside after the cross, but maybe not interfering. He’s behind the ball when it’s headed back so can’t be offside.

Haven't seen the goals back yet, but at the game he looked offside when a Kalinic made the initial save and he definitely went towards the ball. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 12:08:04 AM
Sharp isnt offside as he’s behind the ball... did the keeper have it in his hands under full control?

Is he off when the initial shot comes in? It's hard to make a case that he's not interfering, if he is stood offside.

I was right behind in the North stand for that. Sharp made a forward movement towards the ball and was certainly in Kalinic's eye line so amazed the flag didn't go up if as you say he was in offside position.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on February 09, 2019, 12:08:34 AM
I’m calling it now.
I fucking love Tyrone Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 09, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
49 goals we have now conceded in the League,only Ipswich 51 have only conceded more. Why Smith did not bring in a couple of full backs and a defensive midfielder only he knows

56 goals we have now scored in the league, only Norwich (57) and Albion(59) have scored more.

I reckon it probably wasn't for the lack of trying, but I bet there weren't many to choose from that were
1. available in our price bracket
2. better than what we've got
3. willing to come to a club currently fighting to avoid a fourth season in this division.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 12:10:48 AM
If the pattern was reversed I don't think we'd be praising the first 80 minutes.
No we would have been  gutless unfit unprofessional panic stricken weaklings on this forum.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 09, 2019, 12:11:26 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 09, 2019, 12:12:22 AM
Second goal https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/1093977811679936513
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2019, 12:14:21 AM
I think Whelan's our best option at the base of the midfield. He doesn't give the ball away cheaply. If players move ahead of him, he'll generally find them. It's when we collectively get a bit static that his lack of trickery and guile means he goes backwards or sideways for the sake of it. He'll definitely need replacing once we've secured Champions League qualification, but he'll do for now.

I think Dean Smith needs a re-think on the way the team is set up.  The midfield isn't working and we are getting very little from the wide players.  There was no movement in the central areas tonight and if I was him, I would definitely be looking at bringing in an extra striker or an attacking midfield player, even if it meant having to go to three at the back.  Saying that, the thought of Hutton and Taylor as wing backs is not an inspiring one.

There are going to be massive changes in the summer whatever happens, so he just needs to find something that works in the interim.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 09, 2019, 12:14:33 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
The mighty fcukin Villa.  Never ever say die!  Keep the lions flag flyin’ high!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on February 09, 2019, 12:18:47 AM
That was all a bit bizarre. Possibly a stranger game than even the Forest 5-5.

Two blatant penalties not given and their second was both offside and a foul.

On 75 mins we were debating bailing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on February 09, 2019, 12:19:00 AM
And not forgetting a huge congratulations to Tammy on his 20 goal haul. 👏🏼
Peter Withe will not be pleased after his next.

Sorry, but you simply can not compare 20 goals in the first division with  20 in this, awful, division.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2019, 12:21:20 AM
Sheffield United another side who fell away badly last season stuck with their manager, stuck with their beliefs and are right up there on merit and play an extremely impressive high press game.  Something we were doing and will do again given time!  We got a great result.  Up the fcukin Villa. 

Oh and SHA is in meltdown because of our spawniness which makes it sweeter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2019, 12:23:27 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 12:24:21 AM
Second goal https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/1093977811679936513

Blimey was the linesman actually in the away end for that goal?! Ref will get the stick but how has he not flagged for a) Sharp moving his foot towards the ball from the inital shot and b) dangerous play when he kicks it out of Kalinic's hands.

Very poor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2019, 12:24:25 AM
Make this boy captain. 

Tyrone Mings
Tyrone Mings
@OfficialTM_3
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1h
Yesssssss! What a comeback. Lots to improve on but character from the boys was amazing. Thank you to all the fans, especially the ones who didn’t give up on us. What a night at villa park
@AVFCOfficial
 #UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 09, 2019, 12:24:59 AM
And not forgetting a huge congratulations to Tammy on his 20 goal haul. 👏🏼
Peter Withe will not be pleased after his next.

Sorry, but you simply can not compare 20 goals in the first division with  20 in this, awful, division.

You can, but the swift conclusion would be that they're easier to come by down here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2019, 12:25:32 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 12:27:16 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 09, 2019, 12:30:13 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.
It looked like the defender clotheslined Kodjia i.e. shoved his forearm across his throat but apparently that's OK with refs at this level.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2019, 12:35:04 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.
It looked like the defender clotheslined Kodjia i.e. shoved his forearm across his throat but apparently that's OK with refs at this level.

Mings stamped on Madine in the build up then they lost it temporarily so it should’ve been bought back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 09, 2019, 12:37:57 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.

Was that then, when he ended up on the deck outside their box? I thought he should've been stronger. Also, first half, cross come in from the left, and he seemed* more concerned with attempting to win a penalty than with potentially burying a header.
*from a shit vantage point 100+yards away
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 12:38:16 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.
It looked like the defender clotheslined Kodjia i.e. shoved his forearm across his throat but apparently that's OK with refs at this level.

Mings stamped on Madine in the build up then they lost it temporarily so it should’ve been bought back.

Hahahah...I was wondering why the Sheffield fans were booing him. Has he done stuff against them in the past or is he generally dislike in Football?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2019, 12:38:33 AM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.

It was a good 6 inches over.

I have the feeling that not for the first time in your life you may have overestimated your measurement of 6 inches.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2019, 12:41:06 AM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.

It was a good 6 inches over.

I have the feeling that not for the first time in your life you may have overestimated your measurement of 6 inches.

Didn't they have the goal line technology watch thingy on?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 09, 2019, 12:41:25 AM
I'm not 100% their first was wholly over the line either and when I get to see it again I will take note of the referee's position to see if he was guessing.

It was a good 6 inches over.

I have the feeling that not for the first time in your life you may have overestimated your measurement of 6 inches.

She swore she was on the pill.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on February 09, 2019, 12:51:58 AM
Some rum induced thoughts at 12:40

1. Jedinak is finished at this level.
2. Whelan is not finished....he came on and raised the tempo and allowed Hourihane some freedom.
3. Hourihane pisses me off. He is a bit of an enigma and does not dominate a game like he should.
4. McGinn had his worse game since he joined us...but it’s still miles better than many.
5. The most heart in our team come from Mcginn and two player who aren’t even ours.
6. Tyron Mings, who I have decided that I now love, has already caught  the Villa bug that has infected Tammy. We need this kid to stay fit and move us forward.

To claw a result from that game was brilliant tonight. For 80 mins we were shite.
Now, we MUST,MUST build on that take some belief that we can drag ourselves into the playoff positions, that is a minimal requirement for this team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mellin on February 09, 2019, 01:09:52 AM
I’m calling it now.
I fucking love Tyrone Mings.

My thoughts as well. Fucking player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 09, 2019, 01:13:02 AM
We were given 3 life lines by Sheffield tonight, but they can only blame themselves.

As for us disgraceful for 80 odd minutes with the exceptions of  Ming, Hutton the Egyption and Whelan when he came on.  Papering over cracks but we go again on Wednesday. COYL
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on February 09, 2019, 01:14:09 AM
What a surprise .I just read Deano saying Carroll suffered a slight strain in Training and will be out for around ten days .It did'nt take him long to get injured did it .
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 09, 2019, 03:04:42 AM
We were shite for 80 minutes, then we started attacking their defence and they fell apart, why couldn't we do that from the start! As previous posters have mentioned Ming had a very good home debut, I feel he will only get better, another very good player in our squad to go alongside Jack, SGM, Tammy. I know that total maybe halved in the summer but a real prospect.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: IFWaters on February 09, 2019, 04:49:27 AM
Make Mings captain. Or Emperor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on February 09, 2019, 06:46:18 AM
We’ve been here before with good debuts though. Let’s see where he is after a few games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on February 09, 2019, 06:57:56 AM
How is he not interfering when he tries to get a touch on the initial shot?

I said he's probably not not interfering if he's stood offside.

But he was both.  Offside AND interfering.  And he kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands, or at the very least, went in studs up.  Goal should not have stood.

But apart from that it was a perfectly legitimate goal.

Might be wrong but think just before the second Kodj went on mazy run and seemed to be taken out but ref deemed it a dive (although waved play on rather than stop play and book him) so if my timing is right that can be added to the collection.
It looked like the defender clotheslined Kodjia i.e. shoved his forearm across his throat but apparently that's OK with refs at this level.

That was never a foul
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on February 09, 2019, 07:18:05 AM
Andre Green looked exactly the same as before he went away on loan i.e. a deer trapped in headlights.

Maybe that goal can free him to show the talent thats really there now, start him next match instead of El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 09, 2019, 07:21:58 AM
I thought Hutton had a good game last night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on February 09, 2019, 07:29:26 AM
A remarkable comeback that doesn't redeem the turgid shit that preceded it. If we had replaced both full backs and strengthened central midfield in January we would have won.I know January isn't the best time to do so, but Hutton and Taylor are abysmal and the midfield doesn't work. I'm praying that we never see the return of the Jedi. Well done Glenn, by the way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on February 09, 2019, 07:29:55 AM
I thought Hutton had a good game last night.

every week there’s a lot worse before you get to Hutton
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: simboy on February 09, 2019, 07:37:21 AM
Coming away last night it felt like we had won convincingly; at 80 minutes I was with the bloke behind me in failing to understand the introduction of Whelan and contemplating the trudge back to the car on another disappointing night. Good job I’m not the manager.

Sheffield United were compact, organised, lacking in any real pace which made Hutton, Elphick and even Taylor at times look good. Their first two goals came from poor defending and game management. The third should have buried us.

Our midfield, apart from SJM was anonymous, Hourihane was pretty poor but still managed to deliver two balls that we ultimately scored from.

Smith needs a lot of time and a really patient support base to turn this around. I’m not sure he will get either as I see that some folk are already calling for his head. How they think that eight years of terminal decline will be turned around in a matter of months is beyond me.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 07:38:30 AM
I thought Hutton was poor, but I don’t think it’s helped by the team using him as a creative outlet. He shouldn’t be, he’s not good enough on the ball.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on February 09, 2019, 07:42:45 AM
simboy - I don't think anyone believes that nearly a decade of unremitting shiteness will be resolved in a few months, but it has put people on a very short tolerance fuse, especially when you consider the money that has been spent, or misspent, during that time. Other sides, very ordinary sides, seem to find this division as lot easier with little or no real resources.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on February 09, 2019, 08:00:31 AM
Also, shout out to Chris Wilder for channeling his inner Tim Sherwood by bringing on 2 strikers in a commanding position and opening the game for us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: KevinEaton on February 09, 2019, 08:02:05 AM
Overall a pretty terrible performance. Jedinak looked like a man that hadn’t played for 6 months and Hourihane really is too anonymous for large parts of the game to make the midfield effective. SGM literally carried the midfield, he was everywhere and constantly driving forwards to help make something happen. Great composure in the last minute as well to set up the equaliser.

Mings was great for 95% of the game but lack of concentration on the 2nd goal cost us. He was caught ball watching, there was an age between the header and Sharp kicking it out of Kalinic’s hands and the only player to move was Sharp! Probably a bit of rustiness because he hasn’t played regularly for a number of years. I like the look of him and Elphick though, that could develop into a decent partnership.

The modern day full back is one of the most important positions on the pitch. They are relied on heavily going forwards and ours just don’t offer enough.

I was pleased for Green but he really struggled to get into the game before the goal. He had a number if opportunities to run at his man but instead hit an aimless and ultimately over hit cross instead. He needs to play with less fear to really make an impact.

Lots to work on, but the boost from the comeback may just give them a boost
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on February 09, 2019, 08:13:11 AM
That was rubbish.  But it was great fun.  A game to talk about in years to come.  Tyrone elevated to legend status in one week.  The last 15 minutes made the journey from hell worth while.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Holte L2 on February 09, 2019, 08:28:16 AM
I left at 3-0 In the 80th minute. Hate myself a little bit right now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on February 09, 2019, 08:45:03 AM
Just watching the second half back.  Sheff Utd work rate and defensive positioning very good but we were desperately slow moving the ball last night. The more you see the second goal the more that us wrong with it. Their player just walks past Jedinak in the centre circle and runs unchallenged for 30 yards.  And if Sharp isn't interfering with play you can't understand football.

Frustrating the number of posters pointing the finger at Smith but also how many of our players are just not good enough (appreciate they may not be the same posters!)

We just have too many bang average footballers.  Hutton you can't fault his work rate or effort but along with Taylor he can't play as a modern full back or in th style Smith wants. And when you're setup to play with 2 wingers you're full backs need to be adventurous and support as they are not going to consistently beat 2/3 players out wide.

As for our midfield agree with many one Whelan. Do I want him playing in front of the back 4. No. Is he our best option right now. Yes. Do I think he should be getting a new contract. No.  Needs must at the moment and I think this summer we will a massive overhaul in the summer.

Of players not on loan the only ones I would like to keep for next year are McGinn and Kalinic (given we've just signed him a bit soon to write him off)

I'd also thrown Hourihane in the list I never want to see in a Villa shirt again. Just a totally anonymous player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on February 09, 2019, 08:48:20 AM
For 80 minutes we seemed to be playing a version of walking football.
For the last 10 (15) we actually started getting the ball forwards quicker, some of it was hoofball, but we at least showed some urgency.

There is a lesson for us there. Get back to what we were doing before we got shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 08:48:26 AM
We’ve been here before with good debuts though. Let’s see where he is after a few games.
Exactly. Yes Mings was ok but was part of the defence that had us 3 down after about an hour.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on February 09, 2019, 08:50:23 AM
Oh and the 3rd goal, the tracking back from Conor and Jedinak was wonderful. Taylor gets lots of stick but not sure how he was mean to cope with 2/3 players running at him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on February 09, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
We've spent £11.5m on goalies this season, signing three new ones, 5 different ones have made first team appearances and the best one is still sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on February 09, 2019, 09:19:01 AM
I'd give Steer a go otherwise it was totally pointless recalling him  from Charlton. Kalinic looks as bad as Nyland to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: vilan461 on February 09, 2019, 09:23:45 AM
with every game i think surely the officials will improve----sadly thats not the case, we did dam well to come back after all we were playing against 13 men!---a blatant penalty right under the referees nose, another possible penalty,  Sharp was clearly offside and interfering when he stuck his leg out for his second, going in with studs showing and prizing the ball out of Kalininc,s hands when both palms were around the ball!!
 
i am real surprised that they didnt come up with some "offence" to gleefully deny Tammy,s and Green,s goals but none was forthcoming,
 
We were truly awful for 80  minutes passing was atrocious 2nd to the ball, too many standing waiting instead of going to collect---but then clicked into gear---why o why cant we play like that for the whole game.?might this just kick start the season? hopefully its not a false dawn.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 09, 2019, 09:29:40 AM

Frustrating the number of posters pointing the finger at Smith but also how many of our players are just not good enough (appreciate they may not be the same posters!)

We just have too many bang average footballers.  Hutton you can't fault his work rate or effort but along with Taylor he can't play as a modern full back or in th style Smith wants. And when you're setup to play with 2 wingers you're full backs need to be adventurous and support as they are not going to consistently beat 2/3 players out wide.

As for our midfield agree with many one Whelan. Do I want him playing in front of the back 4. No. Is he our best option right now. Yes. Do I think he should be getting a new contract. No.  Needs must at the moment and I think this summer we will a massive overhaul in the summer.



Agree with this.  I said some time ago that Smith needs to find a different set up with the players he has available at the moment.

Against Sheffield's 3-4-3 we were outnumbered in key areas for most of the game.

The full backs needed to get forward and push their wing backs deep.  They don't have enough quality to do it; Hutton tried, but Taylor was woeful until the shit or bust last 10 minutes.

The wide players were too wide, leaving Tammy on his own surrounded by 3 centre backs and 2 defensive central midfielders. 

McGinn was presumably told to try and get close to Tammy and as a result was dragged too far forward for most of the game leaving the hopeless Jedinak stranded in the centre.

This system doesn't even begin to stand a chance without Jack.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: walsall villain on February 09, 2019, 09:32:12 AM
Late late result changing goals scored by us are a thing of joy. Wild celebrations when that header went in.
I imagined that under Smith we would play with the intensity Sheffield had last night. Clearly going to need a major turnaround in players to make that happen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 09, 2019, 09:48:03 AM
A quite remarkable last ten mins. Can't remember that happening ever? I almost left, so glad I didn't.  So many road closures on way home! Love and hate night games in equal measure.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 09, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
M6 closed on way home at Stafford but thanks to John Morris still got in doors by 12 30am
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 09, 2019, 10:03:48 AM
The spirit of the team can't be underestimated in the last 10-15 mins. Neither Derby nor Boro could manage it against us when we were 3-0 at their grounds and they're in play off positions. Leeds managed it of course but maybe thats why they're too 2. With Grealish hopefully returning from injury sometime soon allied to our spirit, we may still make the play offs. UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on February 09, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
OK, so the first half they overran us. But the first 10 to 15 of the second, we were really causing some problems and playing some decent stuff. Then there was what looked like a foul on Kodj on the edge of the area, they go up the other end and score their dubious goal. That knocked the stuffing out of us. Their third deflected off Mings perfectly for Sharp to nod it in; we got no luck with the officials, one very clear penalty claim ignored and another possible. Whelan does what Whelan does and he showed why he often gets picked. he's tidy, doesn't give many balls away, everything that Jedinak was not. Apart from the first 30 minutes I don;t think we were nearly as bad as many on here are claiming. Claret and blue tinted glasses maybe.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2019, 10:13:57 AM
Simply, utter shit until 82 mins.
If i'd have gone and had left before the end (which to be fair i never have), i would have felt justified and actually wouldn't have been that upset when i found out the result. I think if i'd done so and we'd have won 4-3 i'd have been traumatised though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 09, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
Just watched the goals back. After our first one, the ref stood there looking as if he was trying to decide whether to give it or not. It's almost as if he didn't to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 09, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
For anyone who couldnt make it last night it was no turning point - we struck lucky thanks to Sheffield thinking the game was done and dusted
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 09, 2019, 10:22:12 AM
That was spectacularly awful and then Man United Fergie esq for 15 minutes. We are, utterly, maddeningly, nuts.

The negatives

The midfield.

Jedinak and his distribution was diabolical. His absence of mobility had us so deep. Utter waste of space and the poorest midfield performance from anybody so far. His last game.

Hourihane. Off the ball he's a ghost.

The full backs. Taylor doesn't compete and offers nothing going forwards. For all Hutton's dog chasing a car enthusiasm, he is devoid of quality.

How isolated Tammy was.

Kodjia; ineffectual.

The midfield is a problem, as everybody knows. We let them run further, faster and harder than we did. They moved the ball so much quicker. We've got to get a person at the base of the midfield who can find a pass and find it quickly first and foremost. If you're as slow as we are in transition, then you will lack movement.

The referee. The 2nd goal was a joke, Sharpe a yard offside and kicking it out of Kalinic's hands. The repeated fouls he was awarding them, then nailed on penalties, plural, he missed. The referees down here are disgraceful.

Sheffield United didn't outplay us. They lack quality, they didn't create an awful lot and hoofed it more regularly than we did. What they did do was put in so, so, so much more effort in closing and moving off the ball. It's unforgivable.

The Positives

The centre halves. Looking at the 3rd goal Mings could react quicker. But Jedinak and Hologram give up and Taylor doesn't compete. They're unforgivable errors. But by and large Elphick and Mings look ok to me.

I'd have Hause glued to the treadmill. Get him fit and get him in. Get Taylor gone.

Tammy; 20 goals!

The insanity of being so out of a game, to come back like we did...that's an uncanny quality. It must be a springboard.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 09, 2019, 10:22:20 AM
For anyone who couldnt make it last night it was no turning point - we struck lucky thanks to Sheffield thinking the game was done and dusted

But it could be a turning point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2019, 10:26:38 AM
For anyone who couldnt make it last night it was no turning point - we struck lucky thanks to Sheffield thinking the game was done and dusted

But it could be a turning point.

It could. And we've given the in-form side in this league a 3 goal start and still come back without breaking sweat and half a fuctioning team.

This league and the teams in it are shit. A bit of consistency and belief and we'll wipe the floor with them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on February 09, 2019, 10:32:26 AM
Just seen the highlights.Their second goal was as bad a decision as the Sandwell hand of rod goal was. Sharp was offside and then kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands .Hutton as usual lost his man for the third goal .We certainly should have had at least one pen .Considering how dreadful we were for 82 minutes i am happy to have a point

If you watch their third goal, Hutton seems to just keep running toward the ball rather than marking Sharp. It’s comical, if he ran any faster he would have run out the ground!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 09, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
I've saw that 2nd goal multiple times now and it just gets worse and worse every time, how can the incompetent pricks miss 3 blatant offences? Almost as bad as the decision in the Albion game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on February 09, 2019, 10:59:06 AM
The greatest comeback since Lazarus and I don't mean the one who played for QPR.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 09, 2019, 11:15:10 AM
For anyone who couldnt make it last night it was no turning point - we struck lucky thanks to Sheffield thinking the game was done and dusted

But it could be a turning point.

It could. And we've given the in-form side in this league a 3 goal start and still come back without breaking sweat and half a fuctioning team.

This league and the teams in it are shit. A bit of consistency and belief and we'll wipe the floor with them.

I agree. It is very possible for us or another team in the top half to 'do a Fulham' and go on a run into the play off places. Hopefully the boost of coming from three goals down last night can spark a winning streak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on February 09, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
Just seen the highlights.Their second goal was as bad a decision as the Sandwell hand of rod goal was. Sharp was offside and then kicked the ball out of Kalinic's hands .Hutton as usual lost his man for the third goal .We certainly should have had at least one pen .Considering how dreadful we were for 82 minutes i am happy to have a point

If you watch their third goal, Hutton seems to just keep running toward the ball rather than marking Sharp. It’s comical, if he ran any faster he would have run out the ground!

Sharp's movement was exceptional for that goal in fairness.

He also gave Hutton a barely disguised nudge as the ball was played in, giving him even more space and sending Hutton careering further forward

Hutton has always been a poor defender, in that situation you need to get touch tight to the forward illegally if required, but Sharp's guile was key

Billy Sharp is the quintessential journeyman but he was outstanding last night
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
Like others, I am thinking, yeah great, this is it, use it as a springboard and run up that league.  And then reality dawns; Taylor, Hutton, Hourihane, El Ghastly et al are just so very poor and hold us back. Still, enough of the pessimism, let's hope for a run of wins.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on February 09, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
Some good points about the lack of tempo in our play.  It's gone ponderously Bruce like in the last few games, whereas when Smith first came in we were committing players forward and getting the ball forward quickly.  Really not sure why that's changed.  It can't all be down to losing one player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on February 09, 2019, 11:43:35 AM
On 81 minutes the pre match and half time beer caught up with me so I had to go for a piss and with half a mind to just go home. I was washing my hands when I heard the cheer for our first so went and stood at the top of the stairs to witness the most unlikely comeback ever.

We were never three goals worse than them but they were clearly more organised and confident than us. The summer is going to be pivotal and my feeling is that Smith is using this period to work out just who he can count on going forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 11:44:56 AM
Also, shout out to Chris Wilder for channeling his inner Tim Sherwood by bringing on 2 strikers in a commanding position and opening the game for us.

They did take off Sharp, Madine and Dowell. Craine who came on is a defender.

I actually thought doing all that meant they stopped holding the ball up from the halfway line although of course you should be safe at even 1-3 with five minutes left.

Still that gave us momentum and we must've had a crazy amount of possession from the 81st minute.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: papa lazarou on February 09, 2019, 11:45:33 AM
Some good points about the lack of tempo in our play.  It's gone ponderously Bruce like in the last few games, whereas when Smith first came in we were committing players forward and getting the ball forward quickly.  Really not sure why that's changed.  It can't all be down to losing one player.

I think one of the reasons is that Grealish makes himself available. We get possession of the ball and everybody stands still, there's no movement and it's infuriating, particularly when the opposition are running all over the pitch giving options.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 11:53:03 AM
Some good points about the lack of tempo in our play.  It's gone ponderously Bruce like in the last few games, whereas when Smith first came in we were committing players forward and getting the ball forward quickly.  Really not sure why that's changed.  It can't all be down to losing one player.

I think one of the reasons is that Grealish makes himself available. We get possession of the ball and everybody stands still, there's no movement and it's infuriating, particularly when the opposition are running all over the pitch giving options.

Grealish also has that great football brain of seeing what's around him before he's even got the ball so he can quickly get a crossfield ball to a wide player.

It's like when we had Barry-Petrov as our midfield combination. Neither were quick and could get overwhelmed by three man midfields but what brilliant footballers they were. Both were great at getting the ball and quickly hitting a pass to Ashley Young so he could be 1 v 1 against the right back. When one was out and we had Reo-Coker playing it obviously wasn't the same.

Same here. I'm really disappointed in Hourihane. I assumed with his style as a midfielder he'd be a decent long range passer but look at how many crossfield balls he was firing out of play. For our creative midfielder in Jack's absence not good enough by a long way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 12:06:20 PM
For anyone who couldnt make it last night it was no turning point - we struck lucky thanks to Sheffield thinking the game was done and dusted
With respect Sir that's load of bollocks. You can not come back from 3-0 down with less than 10 to go with just luck. Some character was and good performance did that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: auntiesledd on February 09, 2019, 12:20:35 PM
I suffered the first 45 minutes in the pub whilst watching a screen with the sound turned off (thankfully). I'd had enough at HT - as no amount of alcohol was likely to numb me further from that atrocious 'performance' - & I went home. When in, I stuck Talkshite on to see if anything had changed since the resumption: only to learn that Sharp had just completed his hat trick & a cricket score seemed highly likely. I awoke to find out we'd managed to snatch a point at the death & I'm still in shock tbh. I can't say I'm convinced that those final 15 minutes will engender a mahoosive confidence boost throughout the squad,  but shirley vital lessons will be learnt regarding the abysmal displays (again!) from the usual suspects. A Summer clear-out can't come quickly enough for me: & I've a sneaking suspicion that DS will wield the axe with precision and brutality. Bring it on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 09, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
That was spectacularly awful and then Man United Fergie esq for 15 minutes. We are, utterly, maddeningly, nuts.

The negatives

The midfield.

Jedinak and his distribution was diabolical. His absence of mobility had us so deep. Utter waste of space and the poorest midfield performance from anybody so far. His last game.

Hourihane. Off the ball he's a ghost.

The full backs. Taylor doesn't compete and offers nothing going forwards. For all Hutton's dog chasing a car enthusiasm, he is devoid of quality.

How isolated Tammy was.

Kodjia; ineffectual.

The midfield is a problem, as everybody knows. We let them run further, faster and harder than we did. They moved the ball so much quicker. We've got to get a person at the base of the midfield who can find a pass and find it quickly first and foremost. If you're as slow as we are in transition, then you will lack movement.

The referee. The 2nd goal was a joke, Sharpe a yard offside and kicking it out of Kalinic's hands. The repeated fouls he was awarding them, then nailed on penalties, plural, he missed. The referees down here are disgraceful.

Sheffield United didn't outplay us. They lack quality, they didn't create an awful lot and hoofed it more regularly than we did. What they did do was put in so, so, so much more effort in closing and moving off the ball. It's unforgivable.

The Positives

The centre halves. Looking at the 3rd goal Mings could react quicker. But Jedinak and Hologram give up and Taylor doesn't compete. They're unforgivable errors. But by and large Elphick and Mings look ok to me.

I'd have Hause glued to the treadmill. Get him fit and get him in. Get Taylor gone.

Tammy; 20 goals!

The insanity of being so out of a game, to come back like we did...that's an uncanny quality. It must be a springboard.







I watched hourihane jog back to catch up with play ,  he is so insipid
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Some good points about the lack of tempo in our play.  It's gone ponderously Bruce like in the last few games, whereas when Smith first came in we were committing players forward and getting the ball forward quickly.  Really not sure why that's changed.  It can't all be down to losing one player.

It's the lack of movement as well.  When our midfielders and defenders have got the ball there is literally no movement in front of them.  We just look so one dimensional and rely on getting the ball wide where we haven't great quality really. 

We are fast approaching nothing to lose territory and I want Dean Smith to take the shackles off and look at a more attacking formation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on February 09, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
Some good points about the lack of tempo in our play.  It's gone ponderously Bruce like in the last few games, whereas when Smith first came in we were committing players forward and getting the ball forward quickly.  Really not sure why that's changed.  It can't all be down to losing one player.
We haven’t lost one,we’ve lost two really influential players leaving us with pretty much a dire squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 09, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
Our biggest weakness for me is our total lack of energy when we don’t have the ball. The full backs trot back casually when we lose the ball (especially Taylor), the same goes for Hourihane and Jedinak who was particularly woeful.

As for Kodjia, I was pleased he started but how wrong I was. Appalling, can’t-be-arsed body language again, hiding behind defenders rather than showing for the ball and generally looking like he’d rather be somewhere else.

Finally, if Hause isn’t good enough to replace Taylor then why did we bother loaning him? It appears we’ve written him off completely due to his 30 minute shitshow at Wigan. Taylor offers nothing positive and is a massive weak link.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 09, 2019, 01:27:45 PM

A truly awful display for almost the full 80 minutes before Mings scored. As bad, if not worse than Wigan and being at home that was totally unacceptable obviously. There's no disgrace in losing to Sheff Utd this season as they're a WAY better team than we are. That's just a fact.

But the way we meandered about the pitch doing the square root of fuck all for 80 minutes was absolutely embarrassing.

Hard to pick any positives from that period of the match. Despite being 3 down i thought Elphick and Mings looked fairly solid, and McGinn was ... well McGinn. But the rest of them were bloody awful. I'll forgive Tammy as he was getting absolutely nothing to work with to be fair.

There's no visible shape
There's no hunger/desire
There's no midfield. Well, there's a one man midfield at best
There's zero quality or pace out wide. The pair of them stood like statues on the line most the time never once making a run inside into space (and there was plenty on many occasions) to receive a through ball or to give anyone options other than to slow things down and pass out wide time after time
Worst full backs in the league
Keeper, the jury is still out for me. Not seeing anything we didn't already have in the much maligned Nyland

I cannot fathom out what's changed so much (don't say Grealish) from the early Smith era tactics that worked so well. You'd be forgiven for thinking half the players don't want to play for him on recent displays, but i can't believe that in reality.

I think it's far more likely that they simply can't play how he wants them to. Too many of our side are stuck in their ways and can't change now.

The clean out this summer will have to be huge. So much so that from those on the pitch last night, and more importantly the ones we actually own i can only state a case for Kalanic, McGinn and Green to still be here come August

I'd also possibly give Elphick a short term contract, maybe 2 years at a push if he wants one.








Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on February 09, 2019, 01:37:05 PM
I think Deano is more frustrated than any of us and would love to tell us that half the team is simply not good enough and that he can't wait for the summer to rebuild. But he can't, can he?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on February 09, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
Hopefully we never see Jedi again after that performance. A player has to be really awful for Whelan to bring both more energy and more quality.

I think that Jedi was the reason that Conor looked poor; he had no one to work with.

Mings was impressive, including a few pinged passes. Mad Tom looked ok but there’s always a mistake around the corner.

Hutton was ok and Taylor, although poor overall, did improve in the second half.

The keeper looks the part but he’s no better than Steer or Nyland.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 09, 2019, 01:55:05 PM
There is a brilliant video on Twitter of our equaliser from the away end.

 3-0 and you fucked it up! (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1094223408009760768?s=09)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: walsall villain on February 09, 2019, 01:57:49 PM
I think Deano is more frustrated than any of us and would love to tell us that half the team is simply not good enough and that he can't wait for the summer to rebuild. But he can't, can he?
No he can’t. Also we’ll be wanting a bit of cash when for rebuilding so no point in talking their values down further.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: walsall villain on February 09, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
There is a brilliant video on Twitter of our equaliser from the away end.

 3-0 and you fucked it up! (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1094223408009760768?s=09)

That’s made me chuckle!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on February 09, 2019, 02:50:05 PM
There is a brilliant video on Twitter of our equaliser from the away end.

 3-0 and you fucked it up! (https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1094223408009760768?s=09)

That’s made me chuckle!

Are you fuckin’ kiddin’ me!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on February 09, 2019, 02:57:44 PM
OK, so the first half they overran us. But the first 10 to 15 of the second, we were really causing some problems and playing some decent stuff. Then there was what looked like a foul on Kodj on the edge of the area, they go up the other end and score their dubious goal. That knocked the stuffing out of us. Their third deflected off Mings perfectly for Sharp to nod it in; we got no luck with the officials, one very clear penalty claim ignored and another possible. Whelan does what Whelan does and he showed why he often gets picked. he's tidy, doesn't give many balls away, everything that Jedinak was not. Apart from the first 30 minutes I don;t think we were nearly as bad as many on here are claiming. Claret and blue tinted glasses maybe.

Generally, that's how I saw the game.  I thought that we were on for an equaliser before their second as we had got back into a game that looked way beyond us after 30 minutes when they could have been a couple of goals ahead.

There appears to be too many players just going through the motions.  The fullbacks are hopeless going forward on the overlap, which means the wide forwards need to play near the touchline and leave Tammy isolated.  Without the ball our midfield is rubbish and for too long now, our passing has been appalling.  With regards to the last point, why do our players insist on trying to make the harder long pass rather than far simpler short passes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2019, 03:30:24 PM
Hutton took the throw-in that led to the equaliser a good 10-15 yards ahead of where he shudda
#justsayin'
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: achilles on February 09, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
That was spectacularly awful and then Man United Fergie esq for 15 minutes. We are, utterly, maddeningly, nuts.

The negatives

The midfield.

Jedinak and his distribution was diabolical. His absence of mobility had us so deep. Utter waste of space and the poorest midfield performance from anybody so far. His last game.

Hourihane. Off the ball he's a ghost.

The full backs. Taylor doesn't compete and offers nothing going forwards. For all Hutton's dog chasing a car enthusiasm, he is devoid of quality.

How isolated Tammy was.

Kodjia; ineffectual.

The midfield is a problem, as everybody knows. We let them run further, faster and harder than we did. They moved the ball so much quicker. We've got to get a person at the base of the midfield who can find a pass and find it quickly first and foremost. If you're as slow as we are in transition, then you will lack movement.

The referee. The 2nd goal was a joke, Sharpe a yard offside and kicking it out of Kalinic's hands. The repeated fouls he was awarding them, then nailed on penalties, plural, he missed. The referees down here are disgraceful.

Sheffield United didn't outplay us. They lack quality, they didn't create an awful lot and hoofed it more regularly than we did. What they did do was put in so, so, so much more effort in closing and moving off the ball. It's unforgivable.

The Positives

The centre halves. Looking at the 3rd goal Mings could react quicker. But Jedinak and Hologram give up and Taylor doesn't compete. They're unforgivable errors. But by and large Elphick and Mings look ok to me.

I'd have Hause glued to the treadmill. Get him fit and get him in. Get Taylor gone.

Tammy; 20 goals!

The insanity of being so out of a game, to come back like we did...that's an uncanny quality. It must be a springboard.

Can't argue with any of that, absolutely no passion or desire for 80 minutes, at least Whelan showed willingness to 'get stuck in'.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on February 09, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
The least said about our "performance" the better. Embarrassing, pathetic and unacceptable.

With regards to Sheff Utd, the fact that they would have gone top of the league with a win last night just shows how poor this league is. Whilst we were shockingly bad, they were never 3 goals better than us and I didn't see anything special from them at all in terms of quality, skill or style. Particularly in the second half as we attacked the Holte, what I did see was that they had similar characteristics to Leeds...not the greatest footballers but an organised bunch of relatively unknown workmen like players that communicated with each other, passed to each other, knew what each other were supposed to be doing, and carried out the game plan. Sheff Utd played like a team where as our random bunch of misfits, loans and ageing shite are anything but.

We have far too many players running down lucrative contracts and I don't expect much will improve whilst this squad remains as it is. It will be interesting to see if performances improve once Jack returns, but Smith has a big rebuilding job ahead of him in the summer.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 09, 2019, 04:27:31 PM
Last night showed the very bad and very good of just what we are capable of. Useless and ineffective, lacking belief and confidence for 75-80 minutes. As bad as we have seen all season. Then in the blink of an eye for 15-20 minutes we became the side we saw for a few weeks that gave us all renewed hope that the future could be beautiful.

Smith’s biggest challenge is finding the in between more often. Boring, bland, rigid, disciplined, structured etc. Knowing when to turn it on, knowing how to close things down. The best teams crush you with a dedication to a system and sticking to the plan. Too often we blow hot and cold and the cold is absolutely awful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on February 09, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Another damaging draw...the play off places have a game in hand and are now 6pts above us with 15 games to play.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
That was spectacularly awful and then Man United Fergie esq for 15 minutes. We are, utterly, maddeningly, nuts.

The negatives

The midfield.

Jedinak and his distribution was diabolical. His absence of mobility had us so deep. Utter waste of space and the poorest midfield performance from anybody so far. His last game.

Hourihane. Off the ball he's a ghost.

The full backs. Taylor doesn't compete and offers nothing going forwards. For all Hutton's dog chasing a car enthusiasm, he is devoid of quality.

How isolated Tammy was.

Kodjia; ineffectual.

The midfield is a problem, as everybody knows. We let them run further, faster and harder than we did. They moved the ball so much quicker. We've got to get a person at the base of the midfield who can find a pass and find it quickly first and foremost. If you're as slow as we are in transition, then you will lack movement.

The referee. The 2nd goal was a joke, Sharpe a yard offside and kicking it out of Kalinic's hands. The repeated fouls he was awarding them, then nailed on penalties, plural, he missed. The referees down here are disgraceful.

Sheffield United didn't outplay us. They lack quality, they didn't create an awful lot and hoofed it more regularly than we did. What they did do was put in so, so, so much more effort in closing and moving off the ball. It's unforgivable.

The Positives

The centre halves. Looking at the 3rd goal Mings could react quicker. But Jedinak and Hologram give up and Taylor doesn't compete. They're unforgivable errors. But by and large Elphick and Mings look ok to me.

I'd have Hause glued to the treadmill. Get him fit and get him in. Get Taylor gone.

Tammy; 20 goals!

The insanity of being so out of a game, to come back like we did...that's an uncanny quality. It must be a springboard.

Can't argue with any of that, absolutely no passion or desire for 80 minutes, at least Whelan showed willingness to 'get stuck in'.

Was actually expecting an Ads travel report of his trip back up the M6....

Only thing I'd query is Sheffield were not hoofball at all....they played plenty of quick, sharp passing, got their full backs in play all the time (this was all the stuff we were doing in November/December) and generally when it clicks the football I most enjoy watching.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 09, 2019, 05:32:43 PM
They lumped it clear a lot out the back.

I think they're very hard working and up and at you, but they're nowhere near the quality on the ball or as impressive as the others in the top 6.

Diversion from 14 to 15 was free moving and then a left down the A500 to come north again. The 16-18 stretch ought to be completed soon. Whoop!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 09, 2019, 06:03:57 PM
That was spectacularly awful and then Man United Fergie esq for 15 minutes. We are, utterly, maddeningly, nuts.

The negatives

The midfield.

Jedinak and his distribution was diabolical. His absence of mobility had us so deep. Utter waste of space and the poorest midfield performance from anybody so far. His last game.

Hourihane. Off the ball he's a ghost.

The full backs. Taylor doesn't compete and offers nothing going forwards. For all Hutton's dog chasing a car enthusiasm, he is devoid of quality.

How isolated Tammy was.

Kodjia; ineffectual.

The midfield is a problem, as everybody knows. We let them run further, faster and harder than we did. They moved the ball so much quicker. We've got to get a person at the base of the midfield who can find a pass and find it quickly first and foremost. If you're as slow as we are in transition, then you will lack movement.

The referee. The 2nd goal was a joke, Sharpe a yard offside and kicking it out of Kalinic's hands. The repeated fouls he was awarding them, then nailed on penalties, plural, he missed. The referees down here are disgraceful.

Sheffield United didn't outplay us. They lack quality, they didn't create an awful lot and hoofed it more regularly than we did. What they did do was put in so, so, so much more effort in closing and moving off the ball. It's unforgivable.

The Positives

The centre halves. Looking at the 3rd goal Mings could react quicker. But Jedinak and Hologram give up and Taylor doesn't compete. They're unforgivable errors. But by and large Elphick and Mings look ok to me.

I'd have Hause glued to the treadmill. Get him fit and get him in. Get Taylor gone.

Tammy; 20 goals!

The insanity of being so out of a game, to come back like we did...that's an uncanny quality. It must be a springboard.







I watched hourihane jog back to catch up with play ,  he is so insipid
Which is why Ads called him Hologram. Brilliant nickname that. Bravo Ads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 09, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 09, 2019, 06:42:11 PM

How did the officials allow their second goal to stand? They are shockingly bad in this league.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 09, 2019, 06:43:40 PM
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Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on February 09, 2019, 06:46:01 PM
Looks like the BBC test card.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 09, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
Such a piss poor decision
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 09, 2019, 07:20:10 PM
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And he was yards offside. Shocking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on February 09, 2019, 08:40:49 PM
The offside rule changes have made the officials' job very difficult. SAF and Wenger were on it from the start putting players in offside positions and then wandering back. We need linesmen with 6 swivelling eyes and drones with cameras to triangulate the coordinates.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 09, 2019, 09:17:23 PM
The refs are crap at this level, yesterday’s was an arrogant little prick who got 3 big decisions wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on February 09, 2019, 09:22:09 PM
The refs are crap at this level, yesterday’s was an arrogant little prick who got 3 big decisions wrong.
Nuff said 💪🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 12:11:06 AM
The refs are crap at this level, yesterday’s was an arrogant little prick who got 3 big decisions wrong.

Same ref as the wigan game, Smith didn't pull any punches in the post match interview on the clubs facebook page.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on February 10, 2019, 01:16:18 AM
In that Wigan game that referee gave Wigan the penalty for a dive ,i know because i was at that end of the ground near the front and saw it clearly .Strange how he missed two far more blatant ones on Friday night plus of course the offside and foul for the blades second goal .You start to wonder about some of the officials after some of the decisions given against us .The same referee i believe was the one who sent Chester off rather harshly against Preston earlier in the season
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on February 10, 2019, 01:16:24 AM
We need linesmen with 6 swivelling eyes and drones with cameras to triangulate the coordinates.
I think to correctly rule out their second goal and caution Sharp the Linesman just needed a pair of eyes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 10, 2019, 01:20:50 AM
We need linesmen with 6 swivelling eyes and drones with cameras to triangulate the coordinates.
I think to correctly rule out their second goal and caution Sharp the Linesman just needed a pair of eyes.

One for the offside and one for kicking the ball out of Kalinic's hands.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on February 10, 2019, 01:44:09 AM
We need linesmen with 6 swivelling eyes and drones with cameras to triangulate the coordinates.
I think to correctly rule out their second goal and caution Sharp the Linesman just needed a pair of eyes.

One for the offside and one for kicking the ball out of Kalinic's hands.

The goal should not have been allowed; I think we all agree on that.

As far as the offside decision is concerned, in the old days there would be no doubt whatsoever. The player is clearly in an offside position, flag up, end of story. Now however, it matters not whether he is an offside position depending on the phase of play and most teams deliberately put players in offside positions to distract the defence from holding a line. So it depends on whether the player is interfering with play when the ball comes back in.

As Bill Shankly once said, if he is not interfering with play, what is he doing on the pitch. In this case, Sharp was in the keeper's eye line but the assistant ref was either blind, corrupt, stupid, having a sneeze, fondling his gonads, thinking of his post match beverage  or looking at the various manhandling and sumo wrestling going on in the box. Take your choice.

     
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 10, 2019, 08:38:32 AM
We need linesmen with 6 swivelling eyes and drones with cameras to triangulate the coordinates.
I think to correctly rule out their second goal and caution Sharp the Linesman just needed a pair of eyes.

One for the offside and one for kicking the ball out of Kalinic's hands.

The goal should not have been allowed; I think we all agree on that.

As far as the offside decision is concerned, in the old days there would be no doubt whatsoever. The player is clearly in an offside position, flag up, end of story. Now however, it matters not whether he is an offside position depending on the phase of play and most teams deliberately put players in offside positions to distract the defence from holding a line. So it depends on whether the player is interfering with play when the ball comes back in.

As Bill Shankly once said, if he is not interfering with play, what is he doing on the pitch. In this case, Sharp was in the keeper's eye line but the assistant ref was either blind, corrupt, stupid, having a sneeze, fondling his gonads, thinking of his post match beverage  or looking at the various manhandling and sumo wrestling going on in the box. Take your choice.

   
You could tell it was offside from the trinity road and we sit towards the holte. The ref didn't need the bloody linesman to tell him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on February 10, 2019, 10:54:33 AM
Can anyone remember us scoring 3 goals after 80 minutes to get a draw/win. The only big comebacks I can remember were in 59/60 we were 4 nil down to Liverpool at VP and cameback to draw and the Spurs away 5-5 game in 65/66 when we were 5-1 at one time. Neither of those occasions did we score 3 after 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on February 10, 2019, 12:10:16 PM
Didnt we do it in a european game? Vassell scored.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on February 10, 2019, 12:30:34 PM
Didnt we do it in a european game? Vassell scored.

Yeah great shout in 98/99 season UEFA Cup against Stromsgodset at VP we were 2 down at HT went onto to win 3-2 goals from Charles 83 min Vassell 89,90.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on February 10, 2019, 12:31:33 PM
I’ll get me anorak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Smoke on February 10, 2019, 04:59:27 PM
There is 0% doubt as to whether he's interfering with play or not he tried to kick the fucking ball!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on February 11, 2019, 01:17:48 AM
Just a belated massive well done to Glenn Whelan, strode forwards, found players in a Claret shirt with his passes and celebrated like a puppy as we scored 👍
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 11, 2019, 08:48:43 AM
There is 0% doubt as to whether he's interfering with play or not he tried to kick the fucking ball!
The bottom line is this. We came into the championship with a reputation for being arrogant. Not true in my opinion but that's the perception and we can't change that. Officials don't like us and rivals hate us. It's up to us to take charge of the situation by battering our way out of this league and just stick two fingers up to the haters. We certainly aren't going to get any help so it's up to us all to pull together, fans and players. We can be that unstoppable juggernaut.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 11, 2019, 08:50:18 AM
Just a belated massive well done to Glenn Whelan, strode forwards, found players in a Claret shirt with his passes and celebrated like a puppy as we scored 👍
I have to agree with you. Well said.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2019, 11:23:22 AM
Just a belated massive well done to Glenn Whelan, strode forwards, found players in a Claret shirt with his passes and celebrated like a puppy as we scored 👍
I have to agree with you. Well said.

I think when we think back to those days when Smith came in, we had Tuanzebe, Whelan and Grealish playing and available.

All three are happy in possession and retain it (Whelan doesn't do anything fancy but he doesn't often lose it). That's the difference we've had with two of those three out and certainly in Grealish's case nobody that can come close to replicating what he does. When he's in possession in and around the halfway line, particularly when clearing our lines, he creates the time for other players to get into possession and our shape to return.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on February 12, 2019, 05:39:03 AM
You can be as arrogant as you like if you are playing other teams off the 'park' and funeralling them. Being a bit shit doesn't really sit with arrogance.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: thick_mike on February 12, 2019, 08:11:48 AM
You can be as arrogant as you like if you are playing other teams off the 'park' and funeralling them. Being a bit shit doesn't really sit with arrogance.

Funeral as a verb is interesting BE. Double “l” before the “ing” though?

Funeraling or funeralling?

As an aside...autocorrect suggests “funeral lingerie”!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2019, 08:37:47 AM
When I worked in my daughter's shop in Carrotville I liked to play Radio 3.  One local horny handed daughter of the soil used to call it Foooneral Mooosic.  Entirely appropriate as I would mostly be thinking about Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Sheffield United Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
Didnt we do it in a european game? Vassell scored.

Yeah great shout in 98/99 season UEFA Cup against Stromsgodset at VP we were 2 down at HT went onto to win 3-2 goals from Charles 83 min Vassell 89,90.

Nearly did it when we relegated Coventry as well in 00/01.  2-0 down in the first half to two Hadji goals, we came back to win 3-2 with two of the three goals being in the last 10 minutes.
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