Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2019, 11:20:38 AM
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Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2019, 11:26:49 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on January 31, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2019, 11:28:49 AM
I bet Chester will be hopping around his front room in joy (if this is confirmed). Welcome Tyrone please be good and be a model professional.
Given how limited his movement has been for the last month or so I hope he isn't hopping around anywhere. A fistpump and then sit down and rest for a few weeks.
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 11:35:16 AM
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2019, 11:37:09 AM
Haha! That would definitely be the more sensible approach. You've made me think of footballer's injuring themselves at home now and reminded me of Vassell's DIY toe op.I bet Chester will be hopping around his front room in joy (if this is confirmed). Welcome Tyrone please be good and be a model professional.
Given how limited his movement has been for the last month or so I hope he isn't hopping around anywhere. A fistpump and then sit down and rest for a few weeks.
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2019, 11:37:39 AM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 31, 2019, 11:39:11 AM
He is the type of player we need in a position we need to strengthen and should certainly be good enough in this league.
I think only 20 appearances in 4 years at Bournemouth and only 87 career appearances in 7 years says otherwise. We need players who can hit the ground running. How can he quickly become match fit after those stats? Giving one of our youngsters a chance would be much better
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2019, 11:40:14 AM
The defence should be a lot stronger now, with our new defender and keeper. On the Mings of Lovre.
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2019, 11:40:34 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
Chant - Adie Mings but he can't help it.
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2019, 12:03:27 PM
Appears to have been signed as a centre back and not a left back. Chester does need a few weeks out but we still need a left back imo.
Is the guy from Wolves being written off already? Not sure why we have brought in two left sided centre backs/left backs in the space of a couple of weeks, both injury prone with previous little football played in last 2-3 seasons. It's like Bruce with the right backs all over again !
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on January 31, 2019, 12:11:15 PM
I hope he signs soon, I'm Bored of the Mings saga.
The defence should be a lot stronger now, with our new defender and keeper. On the Mings of Lovre.
I hope he's better than the new keeper appears to be.
Post by: rougegorge on January 31, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
I think he showed great promise at Ipswich and a good athlete, even though someone I know did mention 'occasionally error-prone', and he was obviously blighted by a serious injury as well.
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
Hope this comes off.
I think he showed great promise at Ipswich and a good athlete, even though someone I know did mention 'occasionally error-prone', and he was obviously blighted by a serious injury as well.
Sounds a bit like Micah Richards then, just change Ipswich for Man City.
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 31, 2019, 12:49:30 PM
Start of a dynasty?
Nicely done.....
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2019, 12:54:27 PM
Hope this comes off.
I think he showed great promise at Ipswich and a good athlete, even though someone I know did mention 'occasionally error-prone', and he was obviously blighted by a serious injury as well.
Sounds a bit like Micah Richards then, just change Ipswich for Man City.
Or Martin Laursen. As it is possible to come back from injury.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2019, 01:20:35 PM
I hope he signs soon, I'm Bored of the Mings saga.
The defence should be a lot stronger now, with our new defender and keeper. On the Mings of Lovre.
Tyrone’s game should improve under Smith.
Mings can only get better
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 31, 2019, 01:31:58 PM
Appears to have been signed as a centre back and not a left back. Chester does need a few weeks out but we still need a left back imo.
Is the guy from Wolves being written off already? Not sure why we have brought in two left sided centre backs/left backs in the space of a couple of weeks, both injury prone with previous little football played in last 2-3 seasons. It's like Bruce with the right backs all over again !
Because before we had 0 left sided centre backs and 1 left back who's shit?
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2019, 01:39:38 PM
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Post by: mike on January 31, 2019, 02:01:46 PM
Sky are saying he's completed the medical.
I hope they didn't use the bloke - or woman - who did Micah.
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2019, 02:07:16 PM
Well said. I can't believe how many people on here seem intent on looking for the negatives in everything the club tries to do. Anyway, welcome Tyrone your a welcome addition to our squad. UTV.Hope this comes off.
I think he showed great promise at Ipswich and a good athlete, even though someone I know did mention 'occasionally error-prone', and he was obviously blighted by a serious injury as well.
Sounds a bit like Micah Richards then, just change Ipswich for Man City.
Or Martin Laursen. As it is possible to come back from injury.
Post by: berneboy on January 31, 2019, 02:17:08 PM
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2019, 02:56:16 PM
Disturbing to hear Smith say he's been brought in as a centre back first and foremost
Post by: Nelson Lodge on January 31, 2019, 02:58:52 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 31, 2019, 03:15:17 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2019, 03:35:48 PM
Welcome Ty, show no mercy.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 31, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
Do well, please.
Post by: mallo on January 31, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2019, 04:11:07 PM
Smith quoted in the local rag that he intends to play Mings at left centre back.Yeah just said in his interview that Terry was one reason he joined and he can help him in the same position he want's to establish himself in here. Wonder when Hause has a few more behind closed door games he might go in at left back eventually.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2019, 04:25:35 PM
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Post by: FrankyH on January 31, 2019, 05:02:28 PM
Well I'll happily admit that I didn't expect an interview quite like this one. What a thoroughly level-headed chap, superb.
Blimey , I haven't seen him play and I already love him.Sounds like he would make a great Captain one day.Lets hope it's a great move for us and him.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 31, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
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Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 06:00:39 PM
Well I'll happily admit that I didn't expect an interview quite like this one. What a thoroughly level-headed chap, superb.
You see the YouTube where he appears to have stamped on Ibrahimovic head
Also the interview after wards if it's around where he outright was not forthcoming in what happened !
But I much prefer this video of course
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 06:04:40 PM
Smith quoted in the local rag that he intends to play Mings at left centre back.Yeah just said in his interview that Terry was one reason he joined and he can help him in the same position he want's to establish himself in here. Wonder when Hause has a few more behind closed door games he might go in at left back eventually.
Hopefully JT improves as a coach .
Don't forget some say that we can't assume JT has anything to do with our current shoddily playing defence .
(I think that view is because it's been awful ! JT can only be accountable for a successful defence so can't be his remit! But it's not been totally made clear )
Good to see our ambiguous coach having a positive influence in mings signing though
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
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Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2019, 07:18:44 PM
Smith quoted in the local rag that he intends to play Mings at left centre back.Yeah just said in his interview that Terry was one reason he joined and he can help him in the same position he want's to establish himself in here. Wonder when Hause has a few more behind closed door games he might go in at left back eventually.
Hopefully JT improves as a coach .
Don't forget some say that we can't assume JT has anything to do with our current shoddily playing defence .
(I think that view is because it's been awful ! JT can only be accountable for a successful defence so can't be his remit! But it's not been totally made clear )
Good to see our ambiguous coach having a positive influence in mings signing though
Literally no one has said that, a strawman argument that everyone would be praising JT if we were defending well is an utterly pointless one, the defence isn't good, so no one is giving him credit and no one is going to say they would be if the defence was good so it's a nothing point. All we know is that JT is part of the coaching team and that the team, collectively, has been unable to get the defence working in much the same way that Bruce was unable to. You can blame 2 separate groups of coaches or you can blame the recruitment policy that saw us with almost no options in defence. Now we have a couple of extra centre backs (and maybe more) we can hope to see improvements over the next 4-5 games. If that doesn't happen then it' fair to start looking at the coaching team, but collectively.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2019, 07:26:51 PM
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2019, 09:54:10 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 31, 2019, 10:42:20 PM
17 games in 4 years. Oh my god, we never learn.
Just read that and had the same reaction. Hopefully the medical was thorough and he is fit, otherwise he will make Micah Richards look like Charlie Aitken.
Post by: BC Villain on January 31, 2019, 11:25:43 PM
Well I'll happily admit that I didn't expect an interview quite like this one. What a thoroughly level-headed chap, superb.
Very impressive interview. Seems a level headed lad. Maybe captain material if he sticks around after this season?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2019, 12:19:36 AM
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Post by: footyskillz on February 01, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Smith quoted in the local rag that he intends to play Mings at left centre back.Yeah just said in his interview that Terry was one reason he joined and he can help him in the same position he want's to establish himself in here. Wonder when Hause has a few more behind closed door games he might go in at left back eventually.
Hopefully JT improves as a coach .
Don't forget some say that we can't assume JT has anything to do with our current shoddily playing defence .
(I think that view is because it's been awful ! JT can only be accountable for a successful defence so can't be his remit! But it's not been totally made clear )
Good to see our ambiguous coach having a positive influence in mings signing though
Literally no one has said that, a strawman argument that everyone would be praising JT if we were defending well is an utterly pointless one, the defence isn't good, so no one is giving him credit and no one is going to say they would be if the defence was good so it's a nothing point. All we know is that JT is part of the coaching team and that the team, collectively, has been unable to get the defence working in much the same way that Bruce was unable to. You can blame 2 separate groups of coaches or you can blame the recruitment policy that saw us with almost no options in defence. Now we have a couple of extra centre backs (and maybe more) we can hope to see improvements over the next 4-5 games. If that doesn't happen then it' fair to start looking at the coaching team, but collectively.
No one ?? well I said it and also I talking about anyone not just what's on here.
I can also look at the coaching team ,individuals and in any ways.
I can seek to question and put out why the coaching isn't working well right now and in this instance JT coaching.
It's a valid consideration and not attempt at any argument to say credit could conceivably be given to JT if the defence was showing signs of being solid.
So similarly he can be questionned in his current failings as a coach in organising the defence .
What's your main reason for not challenging Terry for some (maybe not all) accountability for the shoddy defence?
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
Post by: The Charmer on February 01, 2019, 10:31:14 AM
I really hope he does well and he kicks-on and proves to be one of the players we've been searching for.
I've like him since he, accidentally, stood on Costa's head in the game against Chelsea.
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
Maybe left sided centre half for a few games while Hause gets fit?
He's only played about 50 minutes of football himself for most of December and none at all in January, so would imagine he's not exactly match fit himself.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 01, 2019, 02:28:13 PM
Maybe left sided centre half for a few games while Hause gets fit?
That would be my guess, give Chester a chance to recover.
Post by: footyskillz on February 01, 2019, 02:50:27 PM
Hopefully coping well against the attackers coming up as have to face some of the best strikers in league .
Maupay, Sharp and Gayle, after Saturday.
Then stoke , derby, forest, Middlesboro.
How many clean sheets we getting there?!
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Smith quoted in the local rag that he intends to play Mings at left centre back.Yeah just said in his interview that Terry was one reason he joined and he can help him in the same position he want's to establish himself in here. Wonder when Hause has a few more behind closed door games he might go in at left back eventually.
Hopefully JT improves as a coach .
Don't forget some say that we can't assume JT has anything to do with our current shoddily playing defence .
(I think that view is because it's been awful ! JT can only be accountable for a successful defence so can't be his remit! But it's not been totally made clear )
Good to see our ambiguous coach having a positive influence in mings signing though
Literally no one has said that, a strawman argument that everyone would be praising JT if we were defending well is an utterly pointless one, the defence isn't good, so no one is giving him credit and no one is going to say they would be if the defence was good so it's a nothing point. All we know is that JT is part of the coaching team and that the team, collectively, has been unable to get the defence working in much the same way that Bruce was unable to. You can blame 2 separate groups of coaches or you can blame the recruitment policy that saw us with almost no options in defence. Now we have a couple of extra centre backs (and maybe more) we can hope to see improvements over the next 4-5 games. If that doesn't happen then it' fair to start looking at the coaching team, but collectively.
No one ?? well I said it and also I talking about anyone not just what's on here.
I can also look at the coaching team ,individuals and in any ways.
I can seek to question and put out why the coaching isn't working well right now and in this instance JT coaching.
It's a valid consideration and not attempt at any argument to say credit could conceivably be given to JT if the defence was showing signs of being solid.
So similarly he can be questionned in his current failings as a coach in organising the defence .
What's your main reason for not challenging Terry for some (maybe not all) accountability for the shoddy defence?
The main reasons are because it's both unfair (it's only an assumption that JT is responsible for the defence, he could easily be there as a skills coach as he had a great reputation as a player for his work ethic in maintaining his basic skills) and doesn't really serve any purpose. The defence was shit before he arrived, the defence is still shit and we've just spent a transfer window recalling a defender and a goalkeeper and bringing in 3 new players back there (and a 4th for the summer), I think there's much more value now to looking at how we can line up and focusing on the improvements we want to see. If we're still in a mess in 2-3 months then questioning the coaching, and JT as part of that, starts to make sense but we all know that the defence was poor so lets see if the changes to add depth and balance tto the squad back there have been effective.
Post by: footyskillz on February 01, 2019, 06:34:09 PM
Well it would just be very nice to have some defence improvement sooner than later .
I can certainly take on board being a bit more patient and the defenders themselves haven't been amazing .
But there have been some great performance defensive wise too , but far too little to mention.
I feel there could just be a more concern in outscoring and defence is a little neglected
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 02, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
RED Bull gives you Mings
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Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
but a shame we still look total shite overall
I swear people try to find a negative angle to everything.
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2019, 05:39:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2019, 05:41:24 PM
Excellent. He's a proper defender. Thumbs up to Elphick too.
Both looked very decent together. A lot more balance and they should get better over time.
Post by: Uknowthescore on February 02, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Post by: walsall villain on February 02, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
As long as he's fit which Dean Smith says he is then I think he be very capable .No worries there, it’s the teams at the bottom we look awful against.
Hopefully coping well against the attackers coming up as have to face some of the best strikers in league .
Maupay, Sharp and Gayle, after Saturday.
Then stoke , derby, forest, Middlesboro.
How many clean sheets we getting there?!
Post by: Villafirst on February 02, 2019, 10:14:46 PM
Excellent. He's a proper defender. Thumbs up to Elphick too.
Both looked very decent together. A lot more balance and they should get better over time.
To think Bruce could easily have had both Elphick & Mings in his defence in August. Complete idiot!
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 02, 2019, 10:21:23 PM
Excellent. He's a proper defender. Thumbs up to Elphick too.
Both looked very decent together. A lot more balance and they should get better over time.
To think Bruce could easily have had both Elphick & Mings in his defence in August. Complete idiot!
He's not a complete idiot. He's still working at it.
Post by: frank black on February 02, 2019, 10:23:51 PM
Twitter attempting to get him a lifetime football ban.
Post by: frank black on February 02, 2019, 10:28:03 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2019, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 02, 2019, 10:35:34 PM
I don't like this .
At least he apologized this time and I really think he needs to be addressed about where he lands and connects with oppontes on players heads and faces.
The one thing mings was known for in his premier league by my memory was his rough up of Ibrahimovic
I really don't like this sort of attitude it's not nice
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2019, 10:38:46 PM
I said to be wary of Mings after what he did to zlatan Ibrahimovic .
I don't like this .
At least he apologized this time and I really think he needs to be addressed about where he lands and connects with oppontes on players heads and faces.
The one thing mings was known for in his premier league by my memory was his rough up of Ibrahimovic
I really don't like this sort of attitude it's not nice
It's not nice, but I don't think he meant it and he does convey the impression that he wouldn't call you again, even if you were capable of reaching the phone.
And when I say 'you', I mean 'one'. If there's a Villa fan on Earth who could give Mings the runaround, it's you footy! x
Post by: footyskillz on February 02, 2019, 10:41:46 PM
Well I'll happily admit that I didn't expect an interview quite like this one. What a thoroughly level-headed chap, superb.
You see the YouTube where he appears to have stamped on Ibrahimovic head
Also the interview after wards if it's around where he outright was not forthcoming in what happened !
But I much prefer this video of course
As I said I had feared about Mings zealous approach and people shouldn't be asking for these sort of characters or style of players to rough up opposition.
Grealish struggles with injury because of maltreatment I wonder what will happen to him I training if this brute is getting over excited.
As I say at least he apologized.
With zlatan Ibrahimovic he denied it
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 02, 2019, 10:48:21 PM
Also i hope he channels his agression in future.
I imagine he was over excited and is obviously to me he's a physical character
I just remember what he did to Zlatan Ibrahimovic and the next thing I log in and find something nasty happened.
I get this is deemed an accident and he's apologized
I let it rest
Just a shocking image ok
Post by: footyskillz on February 02, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
Ok I hear you thanksI said to be wary of Mings after what he did to zlatan Ibrahimovic .
I don't like this .
At least he apologized this time and I really think he needs to be addressed about where he lands and connects with oppontes on players heads and faces.
The one thing mings was known for in his premier league by my memory was his rough up of Ibrahimovic
I really don't like this sort of attitude it's not nice
It's not nice, but I don't think he meant it and he does convey the impression that he wouldn't call you again, even if you were capable of reaching the phone.
And when I say 'you', I mean 'one'. If there's a Villa fan on Earth who could give Mings the runaround, it's you footy! x
I don't know why Ads is making nasty comments at me.
But I let it rest I gave my views.
And I accept that mings apologize and that what he did to zlatan is just a separate incident and hopefully not a common occurrence.
I also accept some are more ok with rough stuff that me.
But I didn't like that image
Ok I leave it now.
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2019, 10:55:12 PM
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Post by: footyskillz on February 02, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
In the rules should be appreciated what is posted .
This is not a UFC site . And images like that are inappropriate and can cause distress
Please bear in mind what you're posting and other people as it saying in the forum rules.
If someone wanted to post it they should perhaps link it or give advanced warning .
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 02, 2019, 11:13:58 PM
Generally, I thought Mings was excellent today. I hope he stays fit.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 02, 2019, 11:18:29 PM
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2019, 11:19:23 PM
It happens, it’s just an unfortunate incident.
The bloke hasn’t been hacked with a machete.
Edit. I have just seen a blow up of the picture and he is cut on his nose as well.
It looks awful and I hope he recovers quickly.
Post by: Smoke on February 03, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
It was a total accident, Mings went to kick a waist-high ball, their man stooped to head it. I don't think it was even given as a foul.
Oliviera fouled mings and then fell over causing mings to fall too, Oliviera's face is then right where mings' foot was about to land. If Mings meant to do then he's executed the manoeuvre perfectly because it doesn't look deliberate to me.
The slow mo makes it look worse. In real time I didn't even notice it
Also mings stopped immediately to check on him the ref didn't care less untill mings' reaction.
Post by: ROBBO on February 03, 2019, 04:22:17 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 03, 2019, 04:40:25 AM
Is really irresponsible to put up that image and I've reported it.
In the rules should be appreciated what is posted .
This is not a UFC site . And images like that are inappropriate and can cause distress
Please bear in mind what you're posting and other people as it saying in the forum rules.
If someone wanted to post it they should perhaps link it or give advanced warning .
Are you alright, footy?
Reporting the image? Oh dear.
Post by: Mister E on February 03, 2019, 07:20:25 AM
Oh bore off for fucks sake. It's an accident in a contact sport where players have blades and studs.Yep, these things happen. We shouldn’t condone them but it is a fast and physical game.
Post by: frank black on February 03, 2019, 08:21:51 AM
Is really irresponsible to put up that image and I've reported it.
In the rules should be appreciated what is posted .
This is not a UFC site . And images like that are inappropriate and can cause distress
Please bear in mind what you're posting and other people as it saying in the forum rules.
If someone wanted to post it they should perhaps link it or give advanced warning .
Are you alright, footy?
Reporting the image? Oh dear.
Could have just asked me, I’ve tidied up the image.
Post by: Dazvillain on February 03, 2019, 09:41:53 AM
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Enjoy your rest Chester?
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Post by: frank black on February 03, 2019, 10:21:48 AM
They strongly argued it was accidental and not even a foul in the Ibrahimovitch incident, and he still copped for a 5 game ban.
They did but it looked more deliberate and was “afters” from an earlier incident. This one was an accident everyone on the pitch new it and reacted naturally
Post by: adrenachrome on February 03, 2019, 10:34:48 AM
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Aston Villa Star Apologies After 'Stamp' Leaves Reading Forward With Gruesome Facial Injury
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08:52, 03 Feb 2019
Tyrone Mings made his first start for Aston Villa after signing on loan from Bournemouth and the defender certainly left his mark against Reading on Saturday!
The 25-year-old was immense during the course of a 0-0 draw as Villa kept a clean sheet for only the sixth time this season, although it was a result that did little for Villa's hopes of pushing for promotion from the Championship. Mings was superb but he caused a bit of controversy at the Madejski Stadium!
Mings was involved in a clash with Nelson Oliveira that resulted in the Reading forward suffering a nasty head injury and blood pouring down his face.
The pair stumbled and Mings seemed to tread on the face of Oliveira, completely by accident it must be said, and it was an injury that ended the afternoon for the Royals striker as he was duly substituted.
Full credit to Mings as he immediately went to check on the player to ensure he was okay and he then reacted to the game on social media after the final whistle.
Mings tweeted:
Absolutely loved wearing the claret and blue today and over the moon with the clean sheet! @AVFCOfficial.
Feel awfully sorry to Oliveira, I hope he is ok.
An image of Oliveira's gruesome injury then surfaced after the game as the 27-year-old could be seen with a huge gash on his forehead and across his nose - you can see the image below but be warned that it is graphic.
It isn't the first time that Mings has been involved in a 'stamping' incident as he was banned for five games in March 2017 for allegedly stamping on Zlatan Ibrahimovic when Bournemouth played Manchester United.
You can see the latest incident involving Mings in the Twitter video at the end of this article.
Post by: Fred Crump on February 03, 2019, 10:45:02 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on February 03, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
What gets me mad is headlines that sensationalise and bear no resemblance to the facts in the story - this one uses the word stamp which implies a deliberate act whereas the journo stresses in the article that it seemed to be completely accidental. But of course the damage is done then to the player’s reputation by the headline.
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2019, 10:47:29 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 03, 2019, 11:55:07 AM
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2019, 01:00:33 PM
Amazed at what's being made of yesterday. I know he has previous with Zlatan but I thought yesterday was just an accidential kick to the face? Not nice for the Reading player but it happens in every game.
Incidents like that don't happen in every game at all.
Post by: john e on February 03, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 03, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
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Post by: tim on February 03, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
Oliveira should be given a lengthy retrospective ban for his disgraceful headbutt of Mings’ boot.
Agreed. Reminded me of Klinsman's vicious assault on Bossie's knee.
If this was anything but an accident, the players would have kicked off. A simple accident, nothing more. No chance of a ban.
Post by: Legion on February 03, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
Alan Shearer was OK but I think Emily Blunt makes a better Mary Poppins.
I’m in love with Emily Blunt. I will grow an appropriate moustache and fight anyone, bare knuckles, Gangs of New York style if they say a bad word about her.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 04:47:33 PM
Of course I don’t think Mings did it deliberately, but fucking hell, to have trod on two peoples faces is a bit crap.
And not one of them Paul Tait. Although somebody trod on his arm after the League Cup of rumours are to be believed.
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
heh. Who can forget the Shearer incident where hundreds of so called knowledgeable football fans embarrassed themselves by showing complete ignorance of Law 12.3.1.1 -- But it's Neil Lennon".But Shearer did tell the Ref what he was going to do before he did it so it was allowed. Captain of England and all that.
Post by: andyh on February 03, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
Yeah, but in his case the face would have been acceptable.Of course I don’t think Mings did it deliberately, but fucking hell, to have trod on two peoples faces is a bit crap.
And not one of them Paul Tait. Although somebody trod on his arm after the League Cup of rumours are to be believed.
Post by: AVH87 on February 03, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
Post by: Legion on February 03, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
Be interesting to hear what they think.
Looking at the laws, I don't think it meets Violent Conduct as it's the aftermath of an attempt to win the ball (actually it's a foul on Mings), where Violent Conduct must be an incident off the ball. I don't see how you can separate out the fact Oliveria falls and knocks Mings' standing left leg from the original attempt for the ball.
It doesn't meet any of the criteria for Serious Foul Play.
What would he be charged with?
It seems to me much is being made by the Twitterati over a split second incident slowed to several second gif's. He hope and plants his foot as he naturally tries to maintain balance, head lowering as it does when you fall to act as a counterweight.
He says it was accidental, it's very unfortunate that there's been a nasty injury. Nothing ultimately serious beyond a few stitches though.
Post by: sickbeggar on February 03, 2019, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: AVH87 on February 03, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
He should be banned for an accident?
We don't know if it was an accident. Even if it was, personally I don't think a ban would be unfair as it ended up being extremely dangerous, and will most likely cause Oliveira to miss several games.
Post by: AV82EC on February 03, 2019, 05:37:50 PM
He should be banned for an accident?
We don't know if it was an accident. Even if it was, personally I don't think a ban would be unfair as it ended up being extremely dangerous, and will most likely cause Oliveira to miss several games.
So despite all evidence showing it was an accident, we’ll ignore that because Oliveira got some cuts on his face. Jesus wept mate, get a grip.
Post by: walsall villain on February 03, 2019, 05:40:28 PM
That statement is illogical. You can’t say it’s fair to ban people for accidentally injuring someone. It’s very unfortunate and that’s the end of it.He should be banned for an accident?
We don't know if it was an accident. Even if it was, personally I don't think a ban would be unfair as it ended up being extremely dangerous, and will most likely cause Oliveira to miss several games.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2019, 05:42:18 PM
Post by: Richard E on February 03, 2019, 05:44:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
Has Oliveira suggested it was deliberate? Or the Reading manager?
Not at all. Watch the video below in full speed. Watch the Reading players. Nobody appeals. Keep an eye on Mings once he sees the extent of the injury. He doesn’t exactly look happy. This was an accident.
https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/1092090638558998529?s=12
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2019, 05:57:34 PM
He should be banned for an accident?
We don't know if it was an accident. Even if it was, personally I don't think a ban would be unfair as it ended up being extremely dangerous, and will most likely cause Oliveira to miss several games.
If we don't know it was an accident, we don't know that it was deliberate either. You can't ban someone unless you're sure. As for being dangerous, if your foot moves out of its natural direction then fair enough, I'd agree. If your foot is just going where gravity and momentum takes it, that's not an indication of reckless play.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2019, 06:08:39 PM
Sounds like he played well yesterday. But he should get a ban for that, no justice for Oliveira if not.
Justice for Oliviera, fucks sake, standards severely dropping.
Post by: CT on February 03, 2019, 06:10:07 PM
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2019, 06:12:01 PM
Post by: AVH87 on February 03, 2019, 06:12:24 PM
He should be banned for an accident?
We don't know if it was an accident. Even if it was, personally I don't think a ban would be unfair as it ended up being extremely dangerous, and will most likely cause Oliveira to miss several games.
So despite all evidence showing it was an accident, we’ll ignore that because Oliveira got some cuts on his face. Jesus wept mate, get a grip.
'all evidence' it's literally a case of watching the same replay, either normal speed or slowed down. In slow mo it's looks worse for Mings. If Grealish comes back Friday and a Sheffield Utd defender does that to him, I think the reaction will be very different afterwards.
Post by: TheMalandro on February 03, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
My guess would be accidental.
Post by: AVH87 on February 03, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a player tread on another player's head before, even accidentally, and yet we've got a player who's done it twice. If it was one of our players who had come off the pitch looking like he'd been run over by a lawnmower, we'd all be mightily pissed off.
It's such a rare thing as you say, and yet 90%+ of people on here seem happy to write it off as almost definitely an accident, despite the fact he's done it before 2 years ago.
Post by: TheMalandro on February 03, 2019, 06:24:17 PM
I’m not 100% either way.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 03, 2019, 06:41:59 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a player tread on another player's head before, even accidentally, and yet we've got a player who's done it twice. If it was one of our players who had come off the pitch looking like he'd been run over by a lawnmower, we'd all be mightily pissed off.
It's such a rare thing as you say, and yet 90%+ of people on here seem happy to write it off as almost definitely an accident, despite the fact he's done it before 2 years ago.
I think 99% would agree that if not sure on whether something is an accident or not, you can't punish the player involved just in case it wasn't an accident.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 03, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a player tread on another player's head before, even accidentally, and yet we've got a player who's done it twice. If it was one of our players who had come off the pitch looking like he'd been run over by a lawnmower, we'd all be mightily pissed off.
It's such a rare thing as you say, and yet 90%+ of people on here seem happy to write it off as almost definitely an accident, despite the fact he's done it before 2 years ago.
Which has absolutely no bearing on what happened on Saturday whatsoever.
Post by: dave shelley on February 03, 2019, 07:55:14 PM
We have a referee on here don't we?
Be interesting to hear what they think.
Looking at the laws, I don't think it meets Violent Conduct as it's the aftermath of an attempt to win the ball (actually it's a foul on Mings), where Violent Conduct must be an incident off the ball. I don't see how you can separate out the fact Oliveria falls and knocks Mings' standing left leg from the original attempt for the ball.
It doesn't meet any of the criteria for Serious Foul Play.
What would he be charged with?
It seems to me much is being made by the Twitterati over a split second incident slowed to several second gif's. He hope and plants his foot as he naturally tries to maintain balance, head lowering as it does when you fall to act as a counterweight.
He says it was accidental, it's very unfortunate that there's been a nasty injury. Nothing ultimately serious beyond a few stitches though.
Having seen it now, if I had been refereeing that match I would honestly have seen it as an accident, as you say, it's all about gaining your balance and Mings is a big unit. It's an unfortunate part of the game. If he gets banned it will be due to lynch mob hysteria.
Violent conduct doesn't have to necessarily be off the ball btw. Think elbows as an example.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 03, 2019, 08:11:58 PM
Cheers Dave. I assume you're issued with guidance notes to accompany the laws, as they don't seem the best drafted to me.
The laws of Association Football are so wide open to interpretation it's small wonder there are so many contentious events during matches. There has been a small move towards clarification on some laws so thankful for small mercies and all that. As long as the laws contain the words 'in the opinion of the referee' there will never be the consistency that all football followers cry out for. IMO, the best referees can do is to be consistent with themselves and we all know what that means if he's useless.
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2019, 08:17:58 PM
Events must be judged on evidence not circumstance. All the evidence points to to the incident being an accident.
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2019, 08:36:19 PM
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 08:51:17 PM
Post by: Richard E on February 03, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
If Mings is charged I shall harrumph at least twice.
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2019, 08:58:59 PM
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Post by: dave shelley on February 03, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
Post by: Ad@m on February 03, 2019, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 03, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
If pushed, I would say that he could probably have stretched his leg so that it landed past Oliveria. However, as Mings does not change direction, nobody can ever say with certainty that it was intentional. He has to be given the benefit of the doubt here.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 03, 2019, 09:18:38 PM
Violet Jessup was a ship's nurse who survived the sinking of the Titanic. She was also on board the Britannic and the Olympic when they sank. To accuse Tyrone Mings of serial face stamping is like accusing Violet Jessup of serial ocean liner sinking.
Events must be judged on evidence not circumstance. All the evidence points to to the incident being an accident.
Did she by any chance have a grandson who grew up to be a teacher in Walsall?
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2019, 09:27:20 PM
All I'm trying to get at is I saw incident before i saw the picture and at no point did I ever think he would get or would deserve a ban for it.
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2019, 09:28:26 PM
If we participate in sport bloody accidents are an inevitability.
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 03, 2019, 09:36:15 PM
Wasn't there a conspiracy about the Titantic and an insurance scam for White Star Line or what have you?They were thinking about it but it was shelved ......yes it was put on ice
Post by: Legion on February 03, 2019, 09:36:21 PM
Violet Jessup was a ship's nurse who survived the sinking of the Titanic. She was also on board the Britannic and the Olympic when they sank. To accuse Tyrone Mings of serial face stamping is like accusing Violet Jessup of serial ocean liner sinking.
Events must be judged on evidence not circumstance. All the evidence points to to the incident being an accident.
Did she by any chance have a grandson who grew up to be a teacher in Walsall?
Chuckles.
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2019, 09:38:21 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 03, 2019, 10:41:21 PM
Funny you should mention that Ads, that's your lawyer intuition. All three of those nautical disasters were to ships of the White Star Line I think.
Scuttled for the wedge innit.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 03, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
If he is charged then we should engage the services of Bliar, Minger and Cooper to push for a Peoples Vote until the authorities get it right. We will fight them on the beaches and in the hedgerows all the way to the Cairngorms via the Trossachs.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2019, 11:26:28 PM
But we'll never know. Everyone is entitled to their view but unless you agree with me you're wrong.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 03, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 09:08:44 AM
However, as he is a Villan I agree entirely that it was a pure accident.
Post by: darren woolley on February 04, 2019, 09:25:23 AM
Post by: pooligan on February 04, 2019, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2019, 10:23:17 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11627783/tyrone-mings-stamp-on-nelson-oliveira-investigated-by-fa
Post by: auntiesledd on February 04, 2019, 10:41:17 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 04, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: Diablo on February 04, 2019, 10:49:24 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 04, 2019, 11:03:16 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 04, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Surely if the ref saw it as anything other than a coming together he should have acted immediately & should explain why he failed to act at the time.
Unless they are allowed to include stuff they saw on TV after the game in their match report that is...
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 04, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
I feel immensely sorry for Oliveira who will likely be left with a fair degree of facial scarring so I wouldn't think us hard done by if Mings gets a lengthy ban.
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 04, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
He's tripped up by Oliveria. It's a contact sport. You accept there's risk of injury from collisions, coming together and tackles.
None of which indicates that he didn't intend to stamp down on him.
Post by: pooligan on February 04, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
Post by: andyh on February 04, 2019, 11:25:19 AM
Yes, Mings was tripped but he does appear the leave his trailing leg in there.
Maybe it happened so quickly he couldn’t pull away from it, but there is a little bit of a nasty taste here.
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 11:26:44 AM
He's tripped up by Oliveria. It's a contact sport. You accept there's risk of injury from collisions, coming together and tackles.
None of which indicates that he didn't intend to stamp down on him.
Burden of proof rests elsewhere.
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2019, 11:26:51 AM
I have watched it over and over again and I just have this nagging doubt that there was some intention there.
Yes, Mings was tripped but he does appear the leave his trailing leg in there.
Maybe it happened so quickly he couldn’t pull away from it, but there is a little bit of a nasty taste here.
That's more or less where I am. I think he's 'reckless' and could have avoided trampling on the player, even if just by falling over.
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
Post by: luke95 on February 04, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
2 players off balance falling whilst chasing/tussling for the ball.
All the comparisons to the zlatan incident are pointless , in that instance there was a bit of needle between the 2 , both on the floor, one gets up & tries to stud/stepover the other, easily avoidable.
Looking like he'll be found guilty by social media anyway because of the previous incident .
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
The reaction on Twitter is nearly as bad as when that Arsenal player Eduardo died and Fabregas the King, GP and cosmopolitan Arsenal season ticket holder had to blog about being roughed up by horrible midland types who he'd tried to fight out of outrage.
Also as bad as that time Alan Hutton brutally shot Shane Long in the face with a blunderbuss.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 04, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
The reaction on Twitter is nearly as bad as when that Arsenal player Eduardo died and Fabregas the King, GP and cosmopolitan Arsenal season ticket holder had to blog about being roughed up by horrible midland types who he'd tried to fight out of outrage.
Also as bad as that time Alan Hutton brutally shot Shane Long in the face with a blunderbuss.
Nowhere near as bad as when George Boateng viciously headbutted Paul Gascoigne's left arm.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 04, 2019, 01:37:21 PM
How anyone can claim Tyrone could make a conscious decision where to put his leg in the split second this all took to unfold is beyond me.
Slowed down i can see why people think it was maybe malicious but real life doesn't happen in slow motion.
Post by: Damo70 on February 04, 2019, 01:44:23 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 04, 2019, 01:48:14 PM
Post by: Legion on February 04, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 04, 2019, 02:04:53 PM
How anyone can claim Tyrone could make a conscious decision where to put his leg in the split second this all took to unfold is beyond me.
Slowed down i can see why people think it was maybe malicious but real life doesn't happen in slow motion.
That's my view too. In real time it happened so quickly I can't see how he could have stepped out of the way. The guy fell headlong under his feet, I'm not sure what people think Mings could have done to avoid him going at that pace.
Interesting too that the social media reaction is in stark contrast to the reaction of the players on the field. For starters I don't think a man who'd intended to do that would immediately turn and summon the referee over. Mings didn't behave at all like a man who'd lost his cool in the heat of the moment. I also think that players know damn well when a foul is intentional, if the Reading players thought it was deliberate they'd have been incensed and they'd have piled into Mings in numbers, but there was no mass brawl and no attempted retribution in the rest of the game. It looked and felt at the time like a nasty but accidental collision that was quickly dealt with; it seems that it was only when the photos were released that it became foul of the century.
Post by: Dave P on February 04, 2019, 02:55:26 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 04, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
Accidental but he’ll be lucky to walk away from action against him which is our concernThe ref saw it clearly and took no action so there is no come back.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 04, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Out of interest, was he done for it last time? If so, what did he get?
5 match ban.
Post by: Villa Lew on February 04, 2019, 03:14:24 PM
Yeah and the concern is if he is found guilty this time, he's going to get an even longer ban I would imagine.Out of interest, was he done for it last time? If so, what did he get?
5 match ban.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 04, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
Post by: andyh on February 04, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
It’s in incredibly bad taste................but I did laugh.
Ohhhh Tyrone Mings is magic
He wears a magic hat
And if you threw a brick at him he’ll stamp on your fucking face.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 04, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
Well that's completely unhelpful and unfair.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2019, 03:24:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 04, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
Well that's completely unhelpful and unfair.
It is but it gives you some idea where Oliveira's head is right now.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 04, 2019, 03:27:47 PM
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 04, 2019, 03:28:25 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
Well that's completely unhelpful and unfair.
It is but it gives you some idea where Oliveira's head is right now.
Under a pack of frozen peas I'd imagine.
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 04, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
Post by: ajmant on February 04, 2019, 03:37:48 PM
This is taken from elsewhere.
It’s in incredibly bad taste................but I did laugh.
Ohhhh Tyrone Mings is magic
He wears a magic hat
And if you threw a brick at him he’ll stamp on your fucking face.
Really? Funny in what way?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 04, 2019, 03:42:38 PM
This trail by media/internet is a disgrace. A Rotherham player two footed the Milwall keeper (or may have been a player) in a goal mouth scramble that was far worse than this incident. Not seen it mentioned anywhere.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
When you add the public clamour because obviously he has murdered someone in a pre meditated act not in fact accidentally stood on someone in what used to be a contact sport then it’s the rest of the season at least. Oh and he plays for us so that automatically carries an extra three games.
Post by: andyh on February 04, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
Spare me your indignation.This is taken from elsewhere.
It’s in incredibly bad taste................but I did laugh.
Ohhhh Tyrone Mings is magic
He wears a magic hat
And if you threw a brick at him he’ll stamp on your fucking face.
Really? Funny in what way?
Post by: Legion on February 04, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 03:55:53 PM
Not that he did stamp mind.
The Twitterati reaction doesn't give much hope for humanity. Reactionary garbage.
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
He and we are fcuked. Liam Cooper got six games and he claimed his was non intentional.
When you add the public clamour because obviously he has murdered someone in a pre meditated act not in fact accidentally stood on someone in what used to be a contact sport then it’s the rest of the season at least. Oh and he plays for us so that automatically carries an extra three games.
Yes, as he quite obviously jumps and stamps on his head. In what why are they comparable?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 04, 2019, 04:04:50 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 04, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
The players don't react. But then Mings is fucking massive and if you did think he's done it on purpose, why would you start on a massive bloke that stamps on faces?
Not that he did stamp mind.
The Twitterati reaction doesn't give much hope for humanity. Reactionary garbage.
The players don't react? So several of Oliveira's Reading teammates trying to get Mings away from him and then getting arsey when the likes of Hourihane come over doesn't count?
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 04:08:29 PM
I'm being light hearted and saying they didn't come the hard man because Mings would have probably just eaten them.
Post by: DB on February 04, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 04:09:58 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 04, 2019, 04:13:50 PM
Fuck you social media.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 04, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 04:33:45 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 04, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
Hopefully the rest does Chester good and he can come back looking like the player from last season. Although right now a back two of Axel and Mings looks like hard in material. Shame neither of them are actually ours.
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2019, 04:59:49 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 05:10:19 PM
No further action. Just been on the old wirelessThanks fuck for that.
I think I'm going to like this kid.
Post by: Legion on February 04, 2019, 05:10:58 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 04, 2019, 05:35:42 PM
Good. Halsey fcuk off.
Surprised Halsey wasn’t too busy getting tugged off from a stranger while driving a taxi, all behind his wife’s back to even have time to see this incident
Post by: Villa Lew on February 04, 2019, 05:53:59 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 04, 2019, 06:05:24 PM
As I said the Ref was two yards away saw it clearly as accidental. Shame about he wife sounding so bitter and vengeful. Hope she clams down and understands there was no malice in it.No further action. Just been on the old wirelessThanks fuck for that.
I think I'm going to like this kid.
Post by: LeeB on February 04, 2019, 06:08:44 PM
Post by: pooligan on February 04, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
Post by: Diablo on February 04, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
I've not seen what she's said but in her defence the injury looks horrendous and she is no doubt in shock. As you say hopefully he'll make a quick recovery and she'll accept it was an accident.As I said the Ref was two yards away saw it clearly as accidental. Shame about he wife sounding so bitter and vengeful. Hope she clams down and understands there was no malice in it.No further action. Just been on the old wirelessThanks fuck for that.
I think I'm going to like this kid.
Edit I've now just seen what she posted so please ignore my mutterings
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 04, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
Well that's completely unhelpful and unfair.
It is but it gives you some idea where Oliveira's head is right now.
A fair chunk of it is still attached to Tyrones boot.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 04, 2019, 06:17:52 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
I have much sympathy for her but what the fuck would she know about anything other than her hubbies face is fucked?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 04, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
I have much sympathy for her but what the fuck would she know about anything other than her hubbies face is fucked?
To be honest she probably knows more than we do given that she can talk to him directly about exactly what happened.
Post by: amfy on February 04, 2019, 06:26:24 PM
So - at speed he is trying to guess where his foot needs not to land.
Anyway - not guilty now so we move on.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 04, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
I have much sympathy for her but what the fuck would she know about anything other than her hubbies face is fucked?
Women and football, eh? ;)
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 04, 2019, 06:32:37 PM
I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 04, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
I have much sympathy for her but what the fuck would she know about anything other than her hubbies face is fucked?
Women and football, eh? ;)
Not at all what I was suggesting in case anyone starts!
Post by: LukeJames on February 04, 2019, 06:41:50 PM
Oliveira's missus has her say, she ain't happy:
melrodrigues22
Just want to say that Nelson is much better and he will come home tomorrow. It was a sad day for us and I hope someone will appeal for this guy get a lengthy ban!
There’s absolutely no excuse for his behaviour. He knew where his head was. Any injury is upsetting but something like this is just disgusting.
I hope something will happen, he can’t get away with that! He’s got previous!
Thank you all for the msgs, love and support
I have much sympathy for her but what the fuck would she know about anything other than her hubbies face is fucked?
To be honest she probably knows more than we do given that she can talk to him directly about exactly what happened.
And how does he know if what happened was an accident or deliberate? Him and her knows as much as everybody else.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 06:42:51 PM
I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
Hear, hear. I thought it was just me. What on earth is wrong with some people. Bloke in contact sport connects at high speed with opponents face and said opponents face is cut severely. And people want to ban us from showing the picture. FFS. Even fcukin tiddly winks is dangerous if one of the tiddlies bounces up into someone's eye.
Post by: KevinGage on February 04, 2019, 06:44:11 PM
So much for the Meaning Evil's speculation that he would get a six weeks ban. Common sense prevails.
Sceptic Pegg Evans will be crying himself to sleep, the little sugerbag.
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2019, 07:09:17 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 04, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
You OK Hun? Inbox me.
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2019, 07:15:27 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 04, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Someone on Twitter has started a petition to get the FA to change their mind.
Oh please post the link I feel like dropping in to say Hello.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
I despair how weak and silly people are becoming God help some people if they ever had to cope with genuine suffering.
You want to see it in North America Brian. Especially the US. For those believers I get that God is omnipresent but the amount of praise given for touchdowns and interceptions let alone obnoxious wealth is well...erm obnoxious. And then you have the NRA who openly advocate that God is with them in the sale of firearms that kill innocent people everywhere. Though only thoughts and prayers when it happens. It’s truly out of control and bizarre.
Post by: Ian. on February 04, 2019, 07:25:37 PM
Right decision, it looked horrible but I can’t see he meant it when you watch it at full speed.
Post by: luke95 on February 04, 2019, 07:28:08 PM
Someone on Twitter has started a petition to get the FA to change their mind.
I wonder where that idea came from ...
Squatnose
16:48, Mon 4 Feb
PJ1
Maybe fans of all clubs can get a petition going to get this vile thug charged with GBH?
Post by: Holy Trinity on February 04, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
I agree with you word for word!
Post by: LukeJames on February 04, 2019, 07:33:30 PM
Someone on Twitter has started a petition to get the FA to change their mind.
I wonder where that idea came from ...
Squatnose
16:48, Mon 4 Feb
PJ1
Maybe fans of all clubs can get a petition going to get this vile thug charged with GBH?
That has all the hallmarks of a SHA classic.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 04, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
"If it was one of ours..."
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 04, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
Post by: auntiesledd on February 04, 2019, 07:51:19 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 04, 2019, 07:53:02 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 04, 2019, 07:55:44 PM
Common sense prevails. No ban and justifiably so. Halsey wants to slag current referee's off so it shows what wonderful referee he was, back in the day, when the game was slower and the Arsenal supporting 'do you want to take it quickly Tierry?' ****** was king of the hill. Sad old twat. I do feel for the Reading lad, terrible injury, unlike the one I sustained through my eyebrow when the dirty foot up bastard sliced through my eyebrow. Mings one was an accident. Fortunately, for me, I'm still very handsome (also a joke).
Post by: auntiesledd on February 04, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
God and women eh? Who'd have em? (joke)
Common sense prevails. No ban and justifiably so. Halsey wants to slag current referee's off so it shows what wonderful referee he was, back in the day, when the game was slower and the Arsenal supporting 'do you want to take it quickly Tierry?' c*** was king of the hill. Sad old twat. I do feel for the Reading lad, terrible injury, unlike the one I sustained through my eyebrow when the dirty foot up bastard sliced through my eyebrow. Mings one was an accident. Fortunately, for me, I'm still very handsome (also a joke).
Shut your noise, you sigh! >:(
Post by: old man villa fan on February 04, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
………………...
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
I agree with you. Virtue-signalling, moral outrage or whatever you want to call it, generally ignore the most important thing, the facts. As DW said, somebody has to be seen to be at fault so people can comment and pass an opinion or, in this case, judgement.
Post by: Steve67 on February 04, 2019, 08:23:16 PM
God and women eh? Who'd have em? (joke)
Common sense prevails. No ban and justifiably so. Halsey wants to slag current referee's off so it shows what wonderful referee he was, back in the day, when the game was slower and the Arsenal supporting 'do you want to take it quickly Tierry?' c*** was king of the hill. Sad old twat. I do feel for the Reading lad, terrible injury, unlike the one I sustained through my eyebrow when the dirty foot up bastard sliced through my eyebrow. Mings one was an accident. Fortunately, for me, I'm still very handsome (also a joke).
Shut your noise, you sigh! >:(
Would it be terribly inappropriate of me to say that the only reason his wife has said what she has said is because she doesn't fancy him anymore? (joke, sorry!)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
The technicality is that it doesn't get looked at by a panel as the ref saw it once at full speed and didn't give anything for it.I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
In my experience refs don't get everything right every time. I think if it was looked at by a panel a different decision may have been made. That's not what I would have wanted, just my opinion of what may have happened. I appreciate you don't see it that way, but clearly lots do.
Post by: old man villa fan on February 04, 2019, 08:36:06 PM
The technicality is that it doesn't get looked at by a panel as the ref saw it once at full speed and didn't give anything for it.I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
In my experience refs don't get everything right every time. I think if it was looked at by a panel a different decision may have been made. That's not what I would have wanted, just my opinion of what may have happened. I appreciate you don't see it that way, but clearly lots do.
You start doing that and you undermine the authority of the referee and that is the last thing the FA want to do. How often do you see players deliberately use their elbow in a violent manner, the ref half see it and the FA do nothing at all.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 04, 2019, 08:37:29 PM
The technicality is that it doesn't get looked at by a panel as the ref saw it once at full speed and didn't give anything for it.I think he's off more on a technicality. The ref saw it at the time and didn't give a foul. That's not to say that if it was reviewed after the event they wouldn't have taken a different decision (a bit like in rugby where refs often change their decision on studying the footage on field or a the citing panel after the event).
I think we're lucky, but it's great news as he could be an important player for us.
It isn't a technicality, everyone of importance accepts it is an accident. And as for the "pray/justice for Oliveira" shit from earlier then words fucking fail me. From our own fans as well.
You don't punish the injury, you punish the offence. There wasn't even an offence here.
Can I also point out that footyskillz can piss off with what I read earlier as well. I ignore his posts normally and just tolerate him being here. But given he is back into Brice Jovial mode, where he seemingly wants to complain to all and sundry with his wanking off "Zlatan", outrage at a widely available photo being posted without his consent etc. I still haven't quite recovered from him reporting me to Villa years ago and demanding the removal of my season ticket for calling him a twat on here.
What is wrong with some people these days? A few years back I snapped someone's leg in a football match between two departments at work. I didn't get a lengthy suspension from work just because he would be off for a few months (I didn't do it deliberately either I might add).
Our rush to beat ourselves up is mind boggling at times.
DW - I was clearly about to take a mag writing hiatus given my last one but you can have a couple of pages on this and the kangaroo court of trial by Twitter for the next one.
In my experience refs don't get everything right every time. I think if it was looked at by a panel a different decision may have been made. That's not what I would have wanted, just my opinion of what may have happened. I appreciate you don't see it that way, but clearly lots do.
If refs don't get everything right every time then let's have a panel looking at every decision in every match and changing every one they don't agree with. Or alternatively, accept that football is a contact sport played by professional sportsmen who are bigger, quicker and stronger than they've ever been, accidents happen and unfortunately so does moral outrage.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 04, 2019, 08:57:43 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2019, 09:14:27 PM
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2019, 09:21:20 PM
Post by: passport1 on February 04, 2019, 09:30:52 PM
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2019, 09:36:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on February 04, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
The thing that's annoying me about this is the near constant use of the word stamp when people want to talk about it, as if they've never seen anyone actually stamp in their entire life. I can live with trod/tread which is far more accurate but anyone saying stamp has already decided it was deliberate and is intentionally trying to make it sound clearly so.
Exactly. Roy Keane on Gareth Southgate. Now that was a stamp
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2019, 09:58:36 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 04, 2019, 10:54:08 PM
The thing that's annoying me about this is the near constant use of the word stamp when people want to talk about it, as if they've never seen anyone actually stamp in their entire life. I can live with trod/tread which is far more accurate but anyone saying stamp has already decided it was deliberate and is intentionally trying to make it sound clearly so.
Exactly. Roy Keane on Gareth Southgate. Now that was a stamp
Or Fredricks on Grealish
Post by: Legion on February 04, 2019, 10:55:39 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 04, 2019, 10:59:16 PM
Post by: The Edge on February 05, 2019, 04:38:11 AM
Perfectly legit ,well it would be if this was 1970 and it was Norman Hunter doing the stamping.Bullshit. Fredericks on Grealish? THAT was a stamp. Keane on Haaland?THAT was a stamp etc etc. Mings stumbled over Oliviera's legs and his foot had to land somewhere. Could he have avoided his face? That's the milllion dollar question here. Only Mings can answer that. He immediately showed his concern and gave Oliviera his best wishes for a speedy recovery. Did Fredericks do that? No. Did Keane do that? No. I think that tells a story right there unless you think Mings is a calculating liar as well as a violent thug.The witch hunt needs to stop.
Post by: themossman on February 05, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Post by: CT on February 05, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
Imagine if he accidentally trod on someone’s face on Friday.
During the day or actually at the game? 😉
Post by: brian green on February 05, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
Post by: dave shelley on February 05, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
Law on Deakin. That was a stamp.
That was along time ago Brian. As I recall Law didn't stamp on Deakin at all, he wiped his fucking feet on him! I can still see it now, disgraceful.
Post by: brian green on February 05, 2019, 08:52:12 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Post by: brian green on February 05, 2019, 09:10:14 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2019, 09:11:40 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2019, 09:15:17 AM
The very same Ms Poppins also tangled with Villa player on the ground beside the goal, over the by line but I cannot remember which player.
Totally forgot about Smoky nearly blinding Ugo
Post by: Dr Butler on February 05, 2019, 09:17:17 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/on-this-day/11/16/1960%20-%201969/villa-4-man-united-0
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Scratchins on February 05, 2019, 09:19:54 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.I don't think that really follows. My neighbour, who's job it is to save lives, hit his child whilst reversing on the drive when the lad ran out and he didn't have time to stop.
Post by: andyh on February 05, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.Sorry, but that is one one of the shittest analogies I have ever heard.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 05, 2019, 09:20:45 AM
What about Mary Poppins kicking Neil Lennon in the face and getting away with it because England didn’t want him to miss the World Cup in France?
Poppins apparently threatened to pull out of the World Cup squad if they dared to ban him. Mustn't forget that important second layer of shithousery from England's hero.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2019, 09:25:13 AM
What about Mary Poppins kicking Neil Lennon in the face and getting away with it because England didn’t want him to miss the World Cup in France?
Poppins apparently threatened to pull out of the World Cup squad if they dared to ban him. Mustn't forget that important second layer of shithousery from England's hero.
I hated him. Every time we played against him he had the run of the penalty area with the ref tucked in his pocket. When was this dirty bastard’s history re-written?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 05, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.
Why would his child be playing up front for Reading?
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2019, 09:33:51 AM
I doLe Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.I don't think that really follows. My neighbour, who's job it is to save lives, hit his child whilst reversing on the drive when the lad ran out and he didn't have time to stop.
Sounds like he did it on purpose.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 05, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2019, 09:39:52 AM
Put it on Twitter and see what they think, then we can hopefully hang him
It's the only sensible thing to do.
Whats quite telling, is the Reading messageboard thread after the game. There is hardly a mention until the picture is shown.
I've watched it numerous times and I have no idea if he did it on purpose, but I'll go with the reaction of the players and referee.
Nobody thought it was violent.
Post by: auntiesledd on February 05, 2019, 09:42:27 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.
Why would his child be playing up front for Reading?
They're desperate for forwards after their star man was trodden on?
Post by: Chris Smith on February 05, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.Sorry, but that is one one of the shittest analogies I have ever heard.
It really is.
Post by: Dazvillain on February 05, 2019, 10:11:23 AM
Please can we move on and carry the thread like it started , good signing, best player in poor team effort on debut, good balance to defence who can play in a couple of positions, height will be another good asset at set plays attacking and defending type stuff......
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 05, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
Put it on Twitter and see what they think, then we can hopefully hang him
It's the only sensible thing to do.
Whats quite telling, is the Reading messageboard thread after the game. There is hardly a mention until the picture is shown.
I've watched it numerous times and I have no idea if he did it on purpose, but I'll go with the reaction of the players and referee.
Nobody thought it was violent.
That's exactly what I've been banging on about. At the time it happened it was treated like any other injury and the game continued with no further comment on it. There was no sense of injustice. It only became a vicious assault when the photo was published.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on February 05, 2019, 10:40:32 AM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.
He wrote that in direct response to me, it was after I asked him his thoughts after he waded in on a twitter spat I was having with Darren Huckerby, you gotta love the internet.
Post by: luke95 on February 05, 2019, 10:42:09 AM
Looking to get a fellow pro sent off, bad form that should be an instant red card & 10 game ban .
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
What about Mary Poppins kicking Neil Lennon in the face and getting away with it because England didn’t want him to miss the World Cup in France?
Poppins apparently threatened to pull out of the World Cup squad if they dared to ban him. Mustn't forget that important second layer of shithousery from England's hero.
I hated him. Every time we played against him he had the run of the penalty area with the ref tucked in his pocket. When was this dirty bastard’s history re-written?
I'm getting sick of the Poppins abuse. She may be racist but I think she's hot.
Post by: The Edge on February 05, 2019, 12:30:24 PM
Le Tissier has made the valid point that if it had been Ming's child on the floor, he would have found a way not to stamp on his head.Sorry but how is that a valid point? It's a clear attempt at playing on peoples basic emotions just to try and look clever and manipulate a witch hunt against one of our players. They're saying on talksport that Oliviera's wife has said it was deliberate so Mings should be charged with assault. I mean honestly come on people get a fuckin grip. There's not a chance that any guilt can be reliably attached to Mings. It's a contact sport played at high speed and with total commitment. Shit like this happens. It was not malicious in my view. Think about this, if Tyrone was a nippy little player like Vardy for instance, he may have been able move like the proverbial slippery eel and take evasive action. But he's not he's a fuckin great lump of a man. A better analogy would be "it's like expecting a double decker bus to handle like a sports car"
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
Post by: The Edge on February 05, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
I don't think TheMalandro is being entirely serious.Damn. After i went to all that effort!
Post by: Somniloquism on February 05, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 05, 2019, 01:10:21 PM
Where do you even start with this? He wants us to use VAR even though it doesn’t exist yet. And wants to change the FA rules just for this incident.
Post by: avfcpg on February 05, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
Post by: pooligan on February 05, 2019, 01:18:38 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 05, 2019, 01:26:53 PM
The seriousness of an injury is always going to magnify coverage about a challenge and questions about intent will be raised as a result.
Post by: The Charmer on February 05, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
https://www.football.london/reading-fc/ex-reading-fc-striker-dave-15782510'His column in The Sun', you say?
Where do you even start with this? He wants us to use VAR even though it doesn’t exist yet. And wants to change the FA rules just for this incident.
Fuck me, I'd better change my opinion then.
Post by: themossman on February 05, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
https://www.football.london/reading-fc/ex-reading-fc-striker-dave-15782510
Where do you even start with this? He wants us to use VAR even though it doesn’t exist yet. And wants to change the FA rules just for this incident.
Football journalism is so stuffed with over promoted thick as pig shit ex players, you're always going to get this man down the pub level bollocks. Who cares?
Post by: darren woolley on February 05, 2019, 01:43:11 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 05, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
https://www.football.london/reading-fc/ex-reading-fc-striker-dave-15782510
Where do you even start with this? He wants us to use VAR even though it doesn’t exist yet. And wants to change the FA rules just for this incident.
Football journalism is so stuffed with over promoted thick as pig shit ex players, you're always going to get this man down the pub level bollocks. Who cares?
"At the end of March I’m being inducted in to the club's hall of fame and that’s largely for our 2005/06 season in which we broke almost every landmark that had ever stood in the Championship."
And there you have it. Stick your massively biased / attention seeking opinion up your arse.
Post by: Dr Butler on February 05, 2019, 02:12:38 PM
https://www.football.london/reading-fc/ex-reading-fc-striker-dave-15782510
Where do you even start with this? He wants us to use VAR even though it doesn’t exist yet. And wants to change the FA rules just for this incident.
Football journalism is so stuffed with over promoted thick as pig shit ex players, you're always going to get this man down the pub level bollocks. Who cares?
"At the end of March I’m being inducted in to the club's hall of fame and that’s largely for our 2005/06 season in which we broke almost every landmark that had ever stood in the Championship."
And there you have it. Stick your massively biased / attention seeking opinion up your arse.
and this...
"We won the league with an incredible record of 106 points and, so far as I remember, we did it without having to stamp on a single person's face."
what a twat
UTV
The Doc
Post by: The Edge on February 05, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
Everyone is stating his previous against Zlatan. He got a five match ban. Does anyone know what Zlatan got for his throw, two "accidental" elbows and his attempted stamp?Probably the sky man of the match award for standing up to that big bully Tyrone Mings.
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2019, 02:42:44 PM
There's plenty of examples of stamps in football and rugby (you can find loads of incidents on youtube) and there's a very clear, and deliberate, forceful movement involved in stamping which isn't there in this case. The truth is that he trod on his face, people can argue all they like about whether he could of avoided doing so, and that's a reasonable debate to be had (despite my view that there's not much he could've done to avoid him if you watch it in real time) but anyone who uses the word stamp should have their opinion ignored because they're deliberately trying to sensationalise the story.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2019, 02:43:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 05, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
His judgement could be a little bit suspect.
Post by: LeeB on February 05, 2019, 02:53:14 PM
thing worth listening to.
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
Michael Gray was the bloke who, when he got relegated with Sunderland, turned up for training in a new £150k Ferrari, on the same day half the staff there were receiving their redundancy notices.
His judgement could be a little bit suspect.
Michael Gray is the guy who tried to chat my wife up in a bar and when she told him she wasn't interested he said that she clearly didn't know he was because he could "have any pussy I want in this place" and when she responded with "except mine" called her a stupid fucking bitch and tried to get her thrown out by telling the bouncers she was underage (she was 18 at the time).
Post by: Dave P on February 05, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
Drink driving Dave Kitson who once admitted trying to attack Tony Pulis with a pair of scissors and who suggested that Raheem Sterling incited the racial hatred that was hurled at him by Chelsea fans? That Dave Kitson?
Dave Kitson who, when saying Sterling brings on the racial hatred himself by self absorbed instagram posts forgot he posted these https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/dave-kitson-instagram-raheem-sterling-talksport/. That Dave Kitson?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 05, 2019, 03:07:59 PM
Michael Gray was the bloke who, when he got relegated with Sunderland, turned up for training in a new £150k Ferrari, on the same day half the staff there were receiving their redundancy notices.
His judgement could be a little bit suspect.
Michael Gray is the guy who tried to chat my wife up in a bar and when she told him she wasn't interested he said that she clearly didn't know he was because he could "have any pussy I want in this place" and when she responded with "except mine" called her a stupid fucking bitch and tried to get her thrown out by telling the bouncers she was underage (she was 18 at the time).
wow he sounds a right James Bond ,
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 05, 2019, 03:18:23 PM
Drink driving Dave Kitson who once admitted trying to attack Tony Pulis with a pair of scissors and who suggested that Raheem Sterling incited the racial hatred that was hurled at him by Chelsea fans? That Dave Kitson?
And as a result guess which player pulled out of a Talksport interview with him???
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2019, 03:24:55 PM
Drink driving Dave Kitson who once admitted trying to attack Tony Pulis with a pair of scissors and who suggested that Raheem Sterling incited the racial hatred that was hurled at him by Chelsea fans? That Dave Kitson?
And as a result guess which player pulled out of a Talksport interview with him???
He’s obviously a man with a grudge
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 05, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
Drink driving Dave Kitson who once admitted trying to attack Tony Pulis with a pair of scissors and who suggested that Raheem Sterling incited the racial hatred that was hurled at him by Chelsea fans? That Dave Kitson?
And as a result guess which player pulled out of a Talksport interview with him???
Aha. I did not know that. Now that is interesting...
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2019, 03:46:12 PM
Post by: john e on February 05, 2019, 03:54:37 PM
All this "he's got previous" crap does my head in....pretty sure Glen Whelan had a good game once years ago, but hardly makes him Zidane if he manages to have another good game..don't remember the calls for a ban for what was a very deliberate stamp in the play offs...oh and vs Brentford...
Nah don’t think he did mate
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2019, 03:55:03 PM
Wasn't it Dave Kitson who got a right royal mard on, when Reading fans had the idea of all wearing ginger wigs on "Ginger Day' to support their ginger twat of a player?Steve Sidwell, you mean? 😁
Wasn’t Dave Kitson the mystery footballer?
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 05, 2019, 06:22:51 PM
Michael Gray could talk for hours and hours and not say one
thing worth listening to.
But he is obviously intelligent- you only have took at his glasses to see that
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this to Tammy Abraham then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned ? Are they all wrong ??
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that seemed little concerted effort to step out the way.
I not liking all these doubled standard and blinkered opinions coming up on this thread.
Let's accept what he did was wrong and that hopefully he can learn to be more sporting
People have dismissed any view that remotely suggest it could have been deliberate either by the ex footballers and refs that play the game and even by Oliveira wife.
Oliveria wife has made her comments and people have dismissed it.
Lack of compassion and sporting appreciation is shocking on here.
Really no need for so much dismissiveness
And should be thanking that Mings has got away with this act.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 05, 2019, 06:33:22 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
It's not a repeat offence. It's not an offence at all. And I couldn't care less what a couple of attention-seeking former players trying to earn a few quid out of some manufactured outrage think.
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2019, 06:38:29 PM
It is not a repeat offence, as no offence has been committed.
You don't know what anybody would be saying. Utter, baseless conjecture.
Twitter is a platform for those seeking instant gratification in a black or white, worst ever or best ever society. Devoid of thinking, if you were to read comments on social media as a bellwether, then we're surely and quite rightly doomed as a species.
Tyrone Mings plays the game. He knows the impossibility of defying the laws if physics in a split second. He says it was an accident. I'd rather listen to him than drunk driving fools or absolute no marks.
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
He does hop on his left foot, twice. He has to put his right foot down.
It is not a repeat offence, as no offence has been committed.
You don't know what anybody would be saying. Utter, baseless conjecture.
Twitter is a platform for those seeking instant gratification in a black or white, worst ever or best ever society. Devoid of thinking, if you were to read comments on social media as a bellwether, then we're surely and quite rightly doomed as a species.
Tyrone Mings plays the game. He knows the impossibility of defying the laws if physics in a split second. He says it was an accident. I'd rather listen to him than drunk driving fools or absolute no marks.
Ok well as long as you would take that view if he had did it to Tammy Abraham when playing for Reading
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
So why in earth would people think what he's done is wrong.
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2019, 06:44:27 PM
He does hop on his left foot, twice. He has to put his right foot down.
It is not a repeat offence, as no offence has been committed.
You don't know what anybody would be saying. Utter, baseless conjecture.
Twitter is a platform for those seeking instant gratification in a black or white, worst ever or best ever society. Devoid of thinking, if you were to read comments on social media as a bellwether, then we're surely and quite rightly doomed as a species.
Tyrone Mings plays the game. He knows the impossibility of defying the laws if physics in a split second. He says it was an accident. I'd rather listen to him than drunk driving fools or absolute no marks.
Ok well as long as you would take that view if he had did it to Tammy Abraham when playing for Reading
Ok. But he hasn't done it to Tammy. But just in case he rides onto the pitch with trusty a white Arbain thoroughbred and runs a player through with his favourite jousting lance while shouting huzzah, I'll remember to condemn him in the strongest possible terms.
You're just upset because he twatted Ibrahimovich.
Post by: dave shelley on February 05, 2019, 06:44:56 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Yes I let it go just responding to all the stuff I read on here.
No worries here.
I respect your response
As I say he wouldn't get a character reference in court as he is a repeat offender.
But ok I hear what your interpretation and I will let go.
I felt I needed to respond or bite to what I think were some quite stony-hearted responses to a man having his face smashed.
But yes. No more from me on this matter.
Cheers Dave Good to hear your refs view and consideration to matter based on your undoubtedly experience and that's good enough from me to accept that it could have been an accident .
Thanks.
Up the villa.
Post by: b23 on February 05, 2019, 06:50:50 PM
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2019, 06:51:56 PM
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
He does hop on his left foot, twice. He has to put his right foot down.
It is not a repeat offence, as no offence has been committed.
You don't know what anybody would be saying. Utter, baseless conjecture.
Twitter is a platform for those seeking instant gratification in a black or white, worst ever or best ever society. Devoid of thinking, if you were to read comments on social media as a bellwether, then we're surely and quite rightly doomed as a species.
Tyrone Mings plays the game. He knows the impossibility of defying the laws if physics in a split second. He says it was an accident. I'd rather listen to him than drunk driving fools or absolute no marks.
Ok well as long as you would take that view if he had did it to Tammy Abraham when playing for Reading
Ok. But he hasn't done it to Tammy. But just in case he rides onto the pitch with trusty a white Arbain thoroughbred and runs a player through with his favourite jousting lance while shouting huzzah, I'll remember to condemn him in the strongest possible terms.
You're just upset because he twatted Ibrahimovich.
You're so medieval!
Fair do I get all your points so no more from me on this.
Just needed to voice my views.
Cheers adsy !
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 06:55:48 PM
His name is an anagram of My ringtones.
Brilliant !!
Post by: dave shelley on February 05, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Yes I let it go just responding to all the stuff I read on here.
No worries here.
I respect your response
As I say he wouldn't get a character reference in court as he is a repeat offender.
But ok I hear what your interpretation and I will let go.
I felt I needed to respond or bite to what I think were some quite stony-hearted responses to a man having his face smashed.
But yes. No more from me on this matter.
Cheers Dave Good to hear your refs view and consideration to matter based on your undoubtedly experience and that's good enough from me to accept that it could have been an accident .
Thanks.
Up the villa.
Glad to be of help and, despite proof reading my note before posting the highlighted bit should have read, ' I'm not particularly clever'.
Post by: LukeJames on February 05, 2019, 07:05:29 PM
Trod on enemy.... Sing
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Yes I let it go just responding to all the stuff I read on here.
No worries here.
I respect your response
As I say he wouldn't get a character reference in court as he is a repeat offender.
But ok I hear what your interpretation and I will let go.
I felt I needed to respond or bite to what I think were some quite stony-hearted responses to a man having his face smashed.
But yes. No more from me on this matter.
Cheers Dave Good to hear your refs view and consideration to matter based on your undoubtedly experience and that's good enough from me to accept that it could have been an accident .
Thanks.
Up the villa.
Glad to be of help and, despite proof reading my note before posting the highlighted bit should have read, ' I'm not particularly clever'.
Well I read it as clever and being self aware so respected the intelligence !?
Haha all good.
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2019, 07:50:10 PM
I've played a fair bit of rugby and, like Mings, I'm a fairly awkward looking player. In my personal experience if someone falls into you like that your biggest concerns are to not land on their back, to avoid their arms and to try to not let your heels flick up (as that's where you expect their head to be going).
The truth is any contact sport will sometimes have nasty accidents, Oliveira will have a bit of pain and a couple of interesting scars but he'll be playing again in a couple of weeks. I feel sorry for him, but other players have been hurt far more seriously and it's purely the grizzly looking photos that have made this an on-going story.
Post by: brian green on February 05, 2019, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 05, 2019, 08:23:43 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 05, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 05, 2019, 09:06:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 05, 2019, 09:35:26 PM
I really am about to lose my shit here. So I think I need a break.
Is that another anogram?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 05, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: brian green on February 05, 2019, 10:25:32 PM
Many years ago a very promising Doncaster centre forward called Derek Dooley broke his leg during a game. One of his leg bones pierced his skin and became contaminated with soil. He developed septicemia and had to have his leg amputated. That WAS a nasty accident. I do not recall blame ever being mentioned.
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 11:54:21 PM
Footy, the main problem here is that it's really hard to find footage of this played in real time, if you see it at that speed it looks like an accident. If you see the 2 frames a second super slo-mo version that's being shared on the internet then it looks much worse because it tricks you into thinking he had time to react. Oliveira fell into him and he tries to skip out of the way with his left and then, when he can't regain his balance, tries to place his right foot where he won't stand on an outstretched arm.
I've played a fair bit of rugby and, like Mings, I'm a fairly awkward looking player. In my personal experience if someone falls into you like that your biggest concerns are to not land on their back, to avoid their arms and to try to not let your heels flick up (as that's where you expect their head to be going).
The truth is any contact sport will sometimes have nasty accidents, Oliveira will have a bit of pain and a couple of interesting scars but he'll be playing again in a couple of weeks. I feel sorry for him, but other players have been hurt far more seriously and it's purely the grizzly looking photos that have made this an on-going story.
Ok points taken.
I've made mine and you yours and can certainly get where you're coming from and saying.
I'm a reasonable character so can see there is clearly varied opinion.
And also see people have own experience and knowledge first hand.
Also I have my own unfortunate experiences which play own factor but I do understand what youre explaining .
I won't make any more comments on this only address a couple more things.
Thanks for addressing though.
Post by: footyskillz on February 05, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
I really am about to lose my shit here. So I think I need a break.
Kippax I totally respect you on here and maybe there is varying opinions and I like to state and respond to things however I won't make any more comments in regards to this matter and get that their are complete different thoughts and feelings on the incident to how I was interpreting it.
All good ok.
Please accept we have different opinion and I have strong views on this matter but as I say I'm not making more comments
And certainly don't want you losing your shit and breaking away.
Thanks and I hope we can just understand we see things differently.
Post by: footyskillz on February 06, 2019, 12:02:00 AM
Similar dave we see different to an extent and that others views have or have not some credibility.It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
It's not a repeat offence. It's not an offence at all. And I couldn't care less what a couple of attention-seeking former players trying to earn a few quid out of some manufactured outrage think.
No problems here.
Thanks and I can at least get that there are some explayers commenting which can annoy you.
I'm settled and at peace all done for me on mings incident.
Thanks
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2019, 07:45:29 AM
Post by: Gareth on February 06, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
Footy, the main problem here is that it's really hard to find footage of this played in real time, if you see it at that speed it looks like an accident. If you see the 2 frames a second super slo-mo version that's being shared on the internet then it looks much worse because it tricks you into thinking he had time to react. Oliveira fell into him and he tries to skip out of the way with his left and then, when he can't regain his balance, tries to place his right foot where he won't stand on an outstretched arm.
Which is exactly why VAR is going to be an absolute farce for decisions of opinion rather than fact....the more you slow it down the more you can make it look how you want it to suit your opinion.
The posting on social media of the picture of his face afterwards caused the outrage in the TalkSPORT wannabes like tw@ Kitson - suppose we have to trust that was a genuine undoctored picture :-)
Accidents happen & that was exactly what this was
Post by: The Edge on February 06, 2019, 08:38:12 AM
I am not at peace about it at all. We had a player on our books for one week and he was attacked and condemned out of hand by our own supporters in large numbers on a fabricated charge. I am done with commenting on it but I shall not forget it.Seconded.
Post by: Ian. on February 06, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Yes I let it go just responding to all the stuff I read on here.
No worries here.
I respect your response
As I say he wouldn't get a character reference in court as he is a repeat offender.
But ok I hear what your interpretation and I will let go.
I felt I needed to respond or bite to what I think were some quite stony-hearted responses to a man having his face smashed.
But yes. No more from me on this matter.
Cheers Dave Good to hear your refs view and consideration to matter based on your undoubtedly experience and that's good enough from me to accept that it could have been an accident .
Thanks.
Up the villa.
Glad to be of help and, despite proof reading my note before posting the highlighted bit should have read, ' I'm not particularly clever'.
Or you was just being very modest ;)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 06, 2019, 01:45:03 PM
Condemned on a fabricated charge is a bit strong. I've not read every page bur I haven't seen much hysterics on this thread.I am not at peace about it at all. We had a player on our books for one week and he was attacked and condemned out of hand by our own supporters in large numbers on a fabricated charge. I am done with commenting on it but I shall not forget it.Seconded.
Quite a few people said it was hard to call and they thought he would probably get a ban. I still think he would have if there was a review system in place, but am very glad he didn't.
It's just a matter of opinion on how people see the incident.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 06, 2019, 02:16:27 PM
Most thought he was culpable and it was a really poor challenge. I am sure he did not mean to cause that much damage but you certainly run the risk if you are to tackle that recklessly and as such he was slagged off - quite rightly so - by his own supporters.
I do not think this is Villa biased with Mings it is more the fact that was he reckless? Not really as he was in the air and limited to his response to the circumstances. Had there been any previous - i am not aware of any. With the Zlatan one there clearly was so also one can assume motive.
And lets not forget Mings was the first to stop play and tell the ref and others about the injury
Not guilt m'lord
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 06, 2019, 07:18:33 PM
I 100% think it was accidental, but if he had whipped out a chainsaw and had the bloke's legs off it's for us to offer a defence that would convince an Old Bailey jury if necessary, not add to the hysteria condemning the bloke. All for one .....
Post by: mr underhill on February 06, 2019, 07:43:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 06, 2019, 07:54:39 PM
you can't possibly mean that. surely? Chopping someone's legs off? Blimey.
Hyperbole to make a point.
Some people on here need to find their claret and blue glasses again. Who ever decided we had to be fair and objective, this is football !
Post by: adrenachrome on February 07, 2019, 03:23:49 PM
Quote
Aston Villa boss Dean Smith: Tyrone Mings victim of 'witch hunt'
Villa boss Dean Smith believes Tyrone Mings has been the victim of a “witch hunt” following the gruesome facial injury sustained by Nelson Oliveira.
By Matt Maher | Aston Villa | Published: Less than an hour ago
The Reading striker required surgery for a broken nose and facial lacerations following a collision with Villa’s Mings during last weekend’s 0-0 draw at the Madejski Stadium.
Though the FA did not to take any action against Mings, the on loan Bournemouth defender has faced criticism from both former players and Oliveira’s wife, who questioned why he had not been sanctioned for what she viewed as a deliberate stamp.
Mings was banned for five matches in March 2017 after being found guilty of stamping on Manchester United striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic, something he has always maintained was an accident.
And Smith, who believes the incident with Oliveira was a “total accident”, believes that has helped fuel the furore on social media over recent days.
He said: “It felt to me like it became a bit of a witch hunt for somebody who was assumed to have stamped before because he got banned by the FA.
“Nobody knows if he stamped then. But for me this was a total accident.
“Sometimes in any contact sport accidents happen and that was one of them. I am absolutely convinced (it wasn’t deliberate).”
Dean Ashton and Dave Kitson were among the ex-players to criticise Mings, who was making his Villa debut following a deadline day switch from the Cherries.
Former referee Mark Halsey was also among those calling for the FA to take action.
Smith continued: “People look at the picture of his (Oliveira's) face after and think: 'I must have a look at that incident'.
“They slow it down and freeze frame it.
“Any incident in a football game, I could do the same and show you potential accidents.
“Anyone who was at the game last week will tell you. I didn’t know what had happened on the sideline. Their bench didn’t appeal, nobody in the stadium appealed, none of their players appealed.
“The nearest person to the incident was the referee, five or six yards away. He deemed it an accident and played on.
“The one who stopped the play because he saw what had happened and felt what had happened was Tyrone. He stopped the game to make sure (Oliveira) was OK.”
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
Hope for another good performance and a clean sheet tomorrow night.
Post by: footyskillz on February 07, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Usually others make their decision when they feel they want to.
I think over time mings will of course be discussed on his defending , abilities and aptitude however he has nt even played the next game and there will be a lot of footballing eyes on his temperament as much as his ability
And it's interesting what Dean Smith comments. And his own interpretation.
In fair ness I would like Jose Gomes comments on the incident .
What is interesting is his term witch hunt and social media. I wasn't on that bandwagon as such because I had flagged my concerns.
I may have been speaking and commenting with a confirmation bias as well as own personal views and experiences but I can take a lot from the 'debate and discussion' had on the subject. And also the idea and trial by media.
I not commenting on the incident though I do re iteration how members could look to be more mindful of how they are making their views known be it on the incident or opinions of others on the incident . And accept how other people can see things .
I think it's been very useful for me to see the difference in perspective be it my own confirmation bias on Mings/Olvieria incident or others bias and support or interpretation of incident.
Risso usually that would make sense to say draw a line under things .
I do note it's an indirect request aswell as indirect language perhaps because it such a major incident.
Post by: footyskillz on February 07, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Direct quotes said today Thursday.
Reflecting on the incident
"I must say the truth - and the truth is that from the bench during the game for me it doesn't look an intentional action.
But when I watch the pictures [replay], I have no doubt at all that it was intentional to touch Nelson's face.
After he stepped on the face, he broke the nose in four places and scars everywhere. And he's out of the pitch, he cannot train and can't play in the next match.
I cannot judge the referee because from the bench it was accidental.
The point here is the federation (the FA) cannot do anything because the referee saw it on the pitch.
But the problem is that the referee did not see it because I am sure if he watched the picture and then took a decision, the decision would be very, very tough for Mings.
We cannot judge the referee, we must help the referee and his decisions.
How can we do that - I don't know. But I know one thing - we must think about it because we are talking about football players that can get a very serious injury and nothing happens.
We could be talking about an ex player. If Mings chose to touch Nelson in his eye he could be a blind player.
We could be talking about a blind player and nothing happened.
I'm not against the referee or the federation, I'm just supporting my player and football.
It wasn't a football action, it was a different thing."
If an investigation should be done
I haven't read the match report [from the referee] but for sure the referee wrote he saw it.
It's one thing looking at something but it's another thing if he really saw what happened.
It was impossible for the referee to see what really happened. He didn't see anything - he saw the movements and the player touched somewhere but he didn't realise how dangerous Mings' action was.
So we must help the referees. How? We must think about it.
Even if he mentioned something he didn't mention the thing which happened because he didn't see it.
I don't know how we can fix this problem. It's not fair Nelson is out - he can't even breathe properly.
And with the other player, nothing happened. I think it's not fair.
If King Solomon gives justice to this then it should be he [Mings] can only play when Nelson is really ready, without anything in his face.
If rules should be changed to allow the FA more access to incidents
Something must be done because if you look at the replay - we have a very good one from our media department that you can see clearly Mings looks down.
If everybody accepts - because the ref mentioned in his report that it was a non intentional action but if you look at the replay he stepped on Nelson's face with intention.
Only two things can happen. One the federation can do something to punish Mings or if the referee saw it and didn't do anything then he must be punished.
I really believe the referee didn't see it. He saw the movement but didn't see anything strange.
It was difficult for him. Like me, we thought it was non-intentional action, but when you see the replay, there is no doubt.
But now nothing happens. It's not fair. Imagine how the player feels.
I feel frustrated with this because we cannot do anything. This is the point - it's not fair.
We should look at this as an example for the future.
The question is - we're talking about a Reading player - but if you talk about a Man Utd or Arsenal or Man City player - would it be the same thing?
The action was very ugly. It was a very tough and ugly thing.
I know that Mings did not want to damage Nelson's face in this way but he wanted to step on his face.
If you do this, you don't know what happens. He could have avoided it but he didn't.
Something should happen.
Mings having had a previous ban for stamping
This is from the past. Mings is a very good, a very fast central defender with good technique and is good with the head.
We must make a question from this. If the same thing happens tomorrow, how can we fix this? It's not correct and it's not fair.
It's not against anybody, it's about supporting football and protecting the players.
The support shown towards Oliveira
He deserves it because he's a great professional. He wanted to train and play [this weekend] but it's difficult for him.
He wanted to be on the list and in training but the doctor didn't allow it.
We'll see if we can fix him soon. But he deserves the support for the way he has been suffering this season and the way he caught this opportunity.
He's feeling at home at Reading. Everybody likes him, he's working very well and he's feeling the support everyone is giving him.
Hopefully he will recover very soon to help us again.
If other players have been affected by the clash
The players know it was intentional. You don't need to be a professional to say it was an intentional action.
The replay is clear, he looked down and could have avoided it. He let his foot back to touch his face.
All the players saw it and have helped Nelson a lot. Even before going to the hospital, he joked a bit and helped the players not to feel the condition of him.
Referee being demoted to League 2 this weekend
I cannot talk about things I don't know exactly. Maybe it was a coincidence.
Post by: Villan For Life on February 07, 2019, 05:51:12 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 07, 2019, 05:58:56 PM
This is starting to smack of Reading trying to force through a retrospective punishment.
That won’t happen as would open up a huge can of worms
Post by: The Edge on February 07, 2019, 06:08:59 PM
Probably time to draw a line under this and move on.True but others don't agree. It's still being dragged up on talkshite. That muppet Darren Gough has said earlier that although it was obviously not deliberate Mings has got to be punished because of the"horrific injuries Oliveira suffered" What a fucking tool.
Hope for another good performance and a clean sheet tomorrow night.
Post by: pooligan on February 07, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
Post by: Ads on February 07, 2019, 06:42:27 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2019, 06:50:45 PM
Probably time to draw a line under this and move on.True but others don't agree. It's still being dragged up on talkshite. That muppet Darren Gough has said earlier that although it was obviously not deliberate Mings has got to be punished because of the"horrific injuries Oliveira suffered" What a fucking tool.
Hope for another good performance and a clean sheet tomorrow night.
Presumably he'd have been happy to have taken a ban for offering a batsman a bit of chin music, and the fella that sadly killed Phillip Hughes should be sent to prison?
He's a fucking clown.
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
Probably time to draw a line under this and move on.True but others don't agree. It's still being dragged up on talkshite. That muppet Darren Gough has said earlier that although it was obviously not deliberate Mings has got to be punished because of the"horrific injuries Oliveira suffered" What a fucking tool.
Hope for another good performance and a clean sheet tomorrow night.
Presumably he'd have been happy to have taken a ban for offering a batsman a bit of chin music, and the fella that sadly killed Phillip Hughes should be sent to prison?
He's a fucking clown.
So, using Gough logic, the next time I catch my knuckles on my cheese grater, I am going to sue the company that made it.
Post by: brian green on February 07, 2019, 07:31:44 PM
Post by: gpbarr on February 07, 2019, 07:32:06 PM
Mountain out of a mole hill.
Post by: LukeJames on February 07, 2019, 07:34:27 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
And the next time his genital hair transplanter slips and perforates his penis the writs must fly.
Brian, i won't tell you again, stay out of my back garden!!
Post by: john e on February 07, 2019, 08:36:15 PM
thought I’d share
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
Darren Gough once watched me play Cricket for Newport Pagnell against Drayton Parslow a few years ago
thought I’d share
He used to play football for Stewkley in the Milton Keynes area too.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 07, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
Post by: thick_mike on February 07, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
Darren Gough once watched me play Cricket for Newport Pagnell against Drayton Parslow a few years ago
thought I’d share
He used to play football for Stewkley in the Milton Keynes area too.
Blimey, that’s the next village along from me!
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2019, 08:59:23 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 07, 2019, 09:02:05 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2019, 09:05:15 PM
Darren Gough once watched me play Cricket for Newport Pagnell against Drayton Parslow a few years ago
thought I’d share
He used to play football for Stewkley in the Milton Keynes area too.
Blimey, that’s the next village along from me!
I used to play around that area too. Wolverton, Bow Brickhill, Stony Stratford, New Bradwell, Old Bradwell, Roade, Nether Heyford, Kislingbury etc. Local football, I loved it.
Post by: john e on February 07, 2019, 09:44:26 PM
Darren Gough once watched me play Cricket for Newport Pagnell against Drayton Parslow a few years ago
thought I’d share
He used to play football for Stewkley in the Milton Keynes area too.
Blimey, that’s the next village along from me!
I used to play around that area too. Wolverton, Bow Brickhill, Stony Stratford, New Bradwell, Old Bradwell, Roade, Nether Heyford, Kislingbury etc. Local football, I loved it.
Gough used to turn out for D Parslow until the rules forbade him
have to say he was a decent enough chap to talk to
I played cricket at most of those places above but not football
My eldest lad played for football for Buckingham town and Stony Stratford as well as NP over time
where are you living now
Post by: ktvillan on February 07, 2019, 10:31:58 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 07, 2019, 10:37:51 PM
No-one except Mings can say for sure if he meant it or not but looking at it at normal speed I'd say there is at least some room for doubt, and I can understand why some are interpreting it as deliberate. I thought there was scope for him to make more of an effort to avoid the guys head, but maybe that's an illusion. And maybe not. It didn't look like he was being particularly careful. To dismiss doubters as witch hunters is a bit strong. But you can't condemn Mings either, because there is doubt both ways.Smith appears to be backing the player - any inkling of it being deliberate or the player having a malicious attitude and we should send him back - we shouldn't condone that type of behaviour on or off the field - that's only if we find out he meant it of course
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 10:47:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 08, 2019, 10:59:35 AM
We should stop being a soft touch and report Gomes to the FA. Mings should also sue him for slander.
I'd hope that Purslow was doing something similar behind the scenes prior to an official report.
I also agree we need to stop being a soft touch and fight our corner robustly.
Post by: Villa Lew on February 08, 2019, 11:26:53 AM
Totally agree Gomes should be reported to the FA, what he's said is scandalous. Also believe Tyrone should make a statement saying exactly that. He clearly has a case for suing him, but the only problem with that is this case will just carry on for months and months until the court case, whereas now it should blow over in a few weeks.We should stop being a soft touch and report Gomes to the FA. Mings should also sue him for slander.
I'd hope that Purslow was doing something similar behind the scenes prior to an official report.
I also agree we need to stop being a soft touch and fight our corner robustly.
Post by: brian green on February 08, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on February 08, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 08, 2019, 12:43:29 PM
Post by: andyh on February 08, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
Even when it’s fuck all to do with you.
Post by: Legion on February 08, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 08, 2019, 12:54:25 PM
We should stop being a soft touch and report Gomes to the FA. Mings should also sue him for slander.
Yes. Lets hope we do.
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Post by: CT Villan on February 08, 2019, 01:16:26 PM
Everyone must be outraged about everything. It’s the law.
Even when it’s fuck all to do with you.
Welcome to Snowflakia.
I wish this would just blow over before Tyrone is turned into a post-Coleman Neil Taylor.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 08, 2019, 01:33:06 PM
Post by: Richard E on February 08, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
Eddie Howe 100% behind Mings
Not surprised - he wouldn’t want to be 100% in front of him in case he got trodden on.
Post by: Ads on February 08, 2019, 01:56:48 PM
Post by: brian green on February 08, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
Post by: The Edge on February 08, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
Think we all need to remember that somebody died on Saturday. It's very, very serious and that the FA haven't done anything when this awful tragedy struck is a crying shame.Won't somebody just think of the children?
Seriously though it's time the club made it known that the attempted trial by media has got to stop. What twats like Michael Gray, Matt LeTissier and Perry Groves are attempting to do to his career is bloody scandalous. The Villa or his parent club Bournemouth should make a formal statement telling them that they back him to the hilt and commentators need to back up and get off his case. He's guilty of nothing but an accidental collision which unfortunately led to a bad injury to an opponent.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 08, 2019, 02:50:12 PM
Everyone must be outraged about everything. It’s the law.
Even when it’s fuck all to do with you.
Welcome to Snowflakia.
I wish this would just blow over before Tyrone is turned into a post-Coleman Neil Taylor.
"Welcome to Snowflakia"
Worthy of a thread of its very own, and not just Villa-related! Can't be arsed to start one myself at the moment though! :)
Post by: pooligan on February 08, 2019, 03:01:12 PM
Post by: Villa75 on February 08, 2019, 03:03:59 PM
It actually starts to make me feel nauseous now everytime I hear some other irrelevant ex player spouting off about it. And also you watch the first thing he does tonight remotely like a foul he will get booked for.
Mings will be fine. He just needs to be extra careful about not accidentally stepping on people's faces, from now on. Three times, and people will really start to ask questions.
Post by: Dave P on February 08, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
The Reading manager is wrong when he says the referee did not see the collision .The referee was just feet away and saw the collision and decided it was not even a foul
Spot on. He did see it. Hence him telling the disciplinary committee he saw it thus no action against Mings.
Post by: Legion on February 08, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on February 08, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
Eddie Howe 100% behind Mings
Not surprised - he wouldn’t want to be 100% in front of him in case he got trodden on.
Brilliant!
Post by: The Edge on February 08, 2019, 04:23:04 PM
What kind of questions? It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why there's a word for them.It actually starts to make me feel nauseous now everytime I hear some other irrelevant ex player spouting off about it. And also you watch the first thing he does tonight remotely like a foul he will get booked for.
Mings will be fine. He just needs to be extra careful about not accidentally stepping on people's faces, from now on. Three times, and people will really start to ask questions.
Post by: darren woolley on February 08, 2019, 04:39:14 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 05:11:40 PM
Thank you for giving this debate what it deserves. :)Eddie Howe 100% behind Mings
Not surprised - he wouldn’t want to be 100% in front of him in case he got trodden on.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 08, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47161602
Is that not defamatory and against all regulation guidance?
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
The Reading manager is wrong when he says the referee did not see the collision .The referee was just feet away and saw the collision and decided it was not even a foulSo he is calling out both the Referee and the FA for liars. Surely that's an offence?
Post by: john e on February 08, 2019, 05:50:46 PM
if you think it was an accident there's no further action to be taken
if you think it was intentional then our boy got away with it
Either way we all got what we wanted, it's a win -win
Post by: Bad English on February 08, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
can't understand why people are getting all exercised about it on hereYes. They are not fit to comment.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 08, 2019, 10:14:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 08, 2019, 11:07:26 PM
As home debuts go, he certainly looks the business. One to sign in the summer.Yes, he looks like he could become an excellent player for us.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
Elphick was pretty shaky which didn't help.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 11:12:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 11:14:19 PM
Very good tonight. Massive, ain't he! Quick, strong, comfortable and assured on the ball. I'm wondering if once Hause gets up to pace, Mings in at fullback?
Well he has played most of his career at left back. Don't mind him staying at CB but guess it's an option when Chester and Axel are both fit again in next few weeks as Taylor is just such a mediocre player.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 11:17:12 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
When's Axel due back, I thought we'd lost him for most of the remainder?
Think I read he might start training again in March so possible to get him back for last 5-6 games if it still matters by then.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 08, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
He's really good. So much so that I'm intrigued to see how we'll ruin him.
McGinn drove a pass between two possible recipients that went straight out for a throw, so we're starting to rub off on him. First signs shouldn't be too long in coming.
Post by: KRS on February 08, 2019, 11:43:56 PM
Hopefully he'll continue this good form and turn his loan into perm signing in the summer.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2019, 12:00:01 AM
He's really good. So much so that I'm intrigued to see how we'll ruin him.
Ha ha, very good
Post by: Villa75 on February 09, 2019, 12:23:33 AM
What kind of questions? It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why there's a word for them.It actually starts to make me feel nauseous now everytime I hear some other irrelevant ex player spouting off about it. And also you watch the first thing he does tonight remotely like a foul he will get booked for.
Mings will be fine. He just needs to be extra careful about not accidentally stepping on people's faces, from now on. Three times, and people will really start to ask questions.
Stepping on people's faces is pretty rare in football, despite the thousands of games that take place every week.
I'm suggesting that if one single player manages it three times, it might lead to serious questions. 😉
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2019, 12:37:21 AM
What kind of questions? It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why there's a word for them.It actually starts to make me feel nauseous now everytime I hear some other irrelevant ex player spouting off about it. And also you watch the first thing he does tonight remotely like a foul he will get booked for.
Mings will be fine. He just needs to be extra careful about not accidentally stepping on people's faces, from now on. Three times, and people will really start to ask questions.
Stepping on people's faces is pretty rare in football, despite the thousands of games that take place every week.
I'm suggesting that if one single player manages it three times, it might lead to serious questions. 😉
It's a contact sport. Get over it, beside, the F.A. are a useless bunch of old middle England, politically correct snobby twats and even they thought it was an accident.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 09, 2019, 12:43:55 AM
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2019, 12:47:17 AM
Did they? Where have they said that?
He hasn't been charged, therefore, they are happy with the challenge.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 09, 2019, 12:48:37 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 09, 2019, 03:13:11 AM
Post by: mr underhill on February 09, 2019, 07:34:15 AM
Post by: Brassneck on February 09, 2019, 07:49:04 AM
Until we stop looking like the Titanic at the back, the jury's out on every defender we own - and there are plenty of them.
Frustratingly, the only 2 defenders I would like to keep hold of are not owned by ourselves; Tuanzebe and Mings. The fact that we weren't able to secure Mings with an option to buy suggests that his parent club still see him having a future with them.
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2019, 09:48:28 AM
Post by: kipeye on February 09, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
Mings and Tuanzebe has the potential to be a very good combination. The big stopper and the more mobile passer. A Southgate and Ugo for a new generation.I think Mings is potentially in that class Risso. If we keep Tuanzebe it will complete the picture, but don't forget Chester has been playing while unfit and for me, Elphick deserves a lot more credit than he gets. Taylor is unlikely to improve and the full back areas are the most important to improve now-God knows we have had enough different ones in recent years and some of those are doing OK elsewhere. We need a Gidman/Swain type duo who can get up and down the pitch and cover the flank areas at the same time. I still prefer Smith to any of the managers we've had for some years now and hope that his team can start to build for the future.
Post by: Dazvillain on February 09, 2019, 09:59:37 AM
Mings def not option to buy , I thought he was?Until we stop looking like the Titanic at the back, the jury's out on every defender we own - and there are plenty of them.
Frustratingly, the only 2 defenders I would like to keep hold of are not owned by ourselves; Tuanzebe and Mings. The fact that we weren't able to secure Mings with an option to buy suggests that his parent club still see him having a future with them.
Post by: Villa75 on February 09, 2019, 10:00:15 AM
Did they? Where have they said that?
He hasn't been charged, therefore, they are happy with the challenge.
That's not how it works.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 09, 2019, 10:03:02 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
I thought Mings looked excellent last night though, i wonder how long it will take him to be dragged down to the level of the rest. Of course the other possibilities are that he gets injured or we don't sign him permanently for some reason. You could say the same about Tuenzebe, in the roughly 10 playing months we've had him here i think he's been fit for about 4 or maybe 5 and i think there is pretty much zero chance of signing him from Man Utd.
But, to end the days most negative post on a high, i would say that if we did keep them permanently and were able to keep them fit, they could definately become a championship version of Southgate and Ugo and should be as good as any other pairing in the league.
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2019, 10:07:53 AM
Mings def not option to buy , I thought he was?Until we stop looking like the Titanic at the back, the jury's out on every defender we own - and there are plenty of them.
Frustratingly, the only 2 defenders I would like to keep hold of are not owned by ourselves; Tuanzebe and Mings. The fact that we weren't able to secure Mings with an option to buy suggests that his parent club still see him having a future with them.
We do, there's been the suggestion of a very strange clause though where we have to match any other offers they get for him.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 09, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
Mings def not option to buy , I thought he was?Until we stop looking like the Titanic at the back, the jury's out on every defender we own - and there are plenty of them.
Frustratingly, the only 2 defenders I would like to keep hold of are not owned by ourselves; Tuanzebe and Mings. The fact that we weren't able to secure Mings with an option to buy suggests that his parent club still see him having a future with them.
We do, there's been the suggestion of a very strange clause though where we have to match any other offers they get for him.
I've got a Groucho Marx suspicion of anyone wanting to join our club right now. Far too many coming for the big payday and doing eff all. I see Mingsey being an exception however.
Post by: ROBBO on February 09, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 09, 2019, 07:55:29 PM
Those who look at the stats would know better but I can't recall a single pass from Mings not reaching the target, I wonder if he could be used in a central defensive midfield role until next season.
Where would that leave the defence?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 09, 2019, 07:58:58 PM
Post by: JJ-AV on February 10, 2019, 08:35:06 AM
Really does look the business.
Post by: brian green on February 10, 2019, 08:39:14 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 10, 2019, 10:52:26 AM
Post by: darren woolley on February 10, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 10, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
I'm already convinced he's a different class to our other CBs. Just wish we'd got that buy clause inserted and a fee agreed.
If (big if) we have money to spend in the summer signing him and Axel and a left back would be priority number one
Mind you, we also need a couple of strikers, at least 1 winger, couple of midfielders
It's going to be a brutal rebuild especially if we have a small budget
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this to Tammy Abraham then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned ? Are they all wrong ??
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that seemed little concerted effort to step out the way.
I not liking all these doubled standard and blinkered opinions coming up on this thread.
Let's accept what he did was wrong and that hopefully he can learn to be more sporting
People have dismissed any view that remotely suggest it could have been deliberate either by the ex footballers and refs that play the game and even by Oliveira wife.
Oliveria wife has made her comments and people have dismissed it.
Lack of compassion and sporting appreciation is shocking on here.
Really no need for so much dismissiveness
And should be thanking that Mings has got away with this act.
How about you bugger off with the supercilious crap? "Let's all agree I am right, he is lucky he didn't get the electric chair and move on". You can presume him guilty if you wish, I call bullshit.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 06:45:10 PM
He does hop on his left foot, twice. He has to put his right foot down.
It is not a repeat offence, as no offence has been committed.
You don't know what anybody would be saying. Utter, baseless conjecture.
Twitter is a platform for those seeking instant gratification in a black or white, worst ever or best ever society. Devoid of thinking, if you were to read comments on social media as a bellwether, then we're surely and quite rightly doomed as a species.
Tyrone Mings plays the game. He knows the impossibility of defying the laws if physics in a split second. He says it was an accident. I'd rather listen to him than drunk driving fools or absolute no marks.
Ok well as long as you would take that view if he had did it to Tammy Abraham when playing for Reading
You are quite literally one of only a handful of people here who have decided that it would be a different argument (and from fucking all of us I might add) had our player been injured in the same incident.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 06:49:19 PM
It's the lack of a hop, skip or jump in trying to step away that gets me.
And that this is a repeat offense
If he was playing for Reading and did this then majority would be saying he should be banned.
Why would all these ex players and refs be saying he should be banned .
As yes it's people's interpretation of the incident , however those that play the game would know that there was a concerted effort to step out the way.
Footy, let me explain it to you like this: I am an ex-referee who officiated at a relatively high standard. I have viewed this incident just the once the same as the referee on the day, and that was deliberately so as to have an objective view. As I have posted previously had I been the referee on Saturday I would have seen the incident exactly the way I imagine the match referee saw it and carried on playing. The only reason I would have stopped play would be when my attention was drawn to the fact that there was possibility a serious injury. It was unfortunate for the Reading player but Mings was blameless, I've seen and dealt with a lot worse. I'm particularly clever but one thing I do know is that I was a fairly decent referee, I have awards for it. It's really time to let it go.
Yes I let it go just responding to all the stuff I read on here.
No worries here.
I respect your response
As I say he wouldn't get a character reference in court as he is a repeat offender.
But ok I hear what your interpretation and I will let go.
I felt I needed to respond or bite to what I think were some quite stony-hearted responses to a man having his face smashed.
But yes. No more from me on this matter.
Cheers Dave Good to hear your refs view and consideration to matter based on your undoubtedly experience and that's good enough from me to accept that it could have been an accident .
Thanks.
Up the villa.
You wouldn't need a character reference in court as a repeat offender when there was no sodding offence in the first place. Is this all because he was nasty to your hero Zlatan or are you just desperate to conjure up a controversy to discuss?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 06:53:06 PM
Footy, the main problem here is that it's really hard to find footage of this played in real time, if you see it at that speed it looks like an accident. If you see the 2 frames a second super slo-mo version that's being shared on the internet then it looks much worse because it tricks you into thinking he had time to react. Oliveira fell into him and he tries to skip out of the way with his left and then, when he can't regain his balance, tries to place his right foot where he won't stand on an outstretched arm.
Which is exactly why VAR is going to be an absolute farce for decisions of opinion rather than fact....the more you slow it down the more you can make it look how you want it to suit your opinion.
The posting on social media of the picture of his face afterwards caused the outrage in the TalkSPORT wannabes like tw@ Kitson - suppose we have to trust that was a genuine undoctored picture :-)
Accidents happen & that was exactly what this was
Just look at catches close to the ground in the cricket.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
Jose Gomes reading manager on the incident .
Direct quotes said today Thursday.
Reflecting on the incident
"I must say the truth - and the truth is that from the bench during the game for me it doesn't look an intentional action.
But when I watch the pictures [replay], I have no doubt at all that it was intentional to touch Nelson's face.
After he stepped on the face, he broke the nose in four places and scars everywhere. And he's out of the pitch, he cannot train and can't play in the next match.
I cannot judge the referee because from the bench it was accidental.
The point here is the federation (the FA) cannot do anything because the referee saw it on the pitch.
But the problem is that the referee did not see it because I am sure if he watched the picture and then took a decision, the decision would be very, very tough for Mings.
We cannot judge the referee, we must help the referee and his decisions.
How can we do that - I don't know. But I know one thing - we must think about it because we are talking about football players that can get a very serious injury and nothing happens.
We could be talking about an ex player. If Mings chose to touch Nelson in his eye he could be a blind player.
We could be talking about a blind player and nothing happened.
I'm not against the referee or the federation, I'm just supporting my player and football.
It wasn't a football action, it was a different thing."
If an investigation should be done
I haven't read the match report [from the referee] but for sure the referee wrote he saw it.
It's one thing looking at something but it's another thing if he really saw what happened.
It was impossible for the referee to see what really happened. He didn't see anything - he saw the movements and the player touched somewhere but he didn't realise how dangerous Mings' action was.
So we must help the referees. How? We must think about it.
Even if he mentioned something he didn't mention the thing which happened because he didn't see it.
I don't know how we can fix this problem. It's not fair Nelson is out - he can't even breathe properly.
And with the other player, nothing happened. I think it's not fair.
If King Solomon gives justice to this then it should be he [Mings] can only play when Nelson is really ready, without anything in his face.
If rules should be changed to allow the FA more access to incidents
Something must be done because if you look at the replay - we have a very good one from our media department that you can see clearly Mings looks down.
If everybody accepts - because the ref mentioned in his report that it was a non intentional action but if you look at the replay he stepped on Nelson's face with intention.
Only two things can happen. One the federation can do something to punish Mings or if the referee saw it and didn't do anything then he must be punished.
I really believe the referee didn't see it. He saw the movement but didn't see anything strange.
It was difficult for him. Like me, we thought it was non-intentional action, but when you see the replay, there is no doubt.
But now nothing happens. It's not fair. Imagine how the player feels.
I feel frustrated with this because we cannot do anything. This is the point - it's not fair.
We should look at this as an example for the future.
The question is - we're talking about a Reading player - but if you talk about a Man Utd or Arsenal or Man City player - would it be the same thing?
The action was very ugly. It was a very tough and ugly thing.
I know that Mings did not want to damage Nelson's face in this way but he wanted to step on his face.
If you do this, you don't know what happens. He could have avoided it but he didn't.
Something should happen.
Mings having had a previous ban for stamping
This is from the past. Mings is a very good, a very fast central defender with good technique and is good with the head.
We must make a question from this. If the same thing happens tomorrow, how can we fix this? It's not correct and it's not fair.
It's not against anybody, it's about supporting football and protecting the players.
The support shown towards Oliveira
He deserves it because he's a great professional. He wanted to train and play [this weekend] but it's difficult for him.
He wanted to be on the list and in training but the doctor didn't allow it.
We'll see if we can fix him soon. But he deserves the support for the way he has been suffering this season and the way he caught this opportunity.
He's feeling at home at Reading. Everybody likes him, he's working very well and he's feeling the support everyone is giving him.
Hopefully he will recover very soon to help us again.
If other players have been affected by the clash
The players know it was intentional. You don't need to be a professional to say it was an intentional action.
The replay is clear, he looked down and could have avoided it. He let his foot back to touch his face.
All the players saw it and have helped Nelson a lot. Even before going to the hospital, he joked a bit and helped the players not to feel the condition of him.
Referee being demoted to League 2 this weekend
I cannot talk about things I don't know exactly. Maybe it was a coincidence.
Put simply, his face is fucked so ban him for life. An utter load of bollocks.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Perhaps the lawyers amongst us can advise on why the BBC are allowed to post an article such as this:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47161602
Is that not defamatory and against all regulation guidance?
The BBC can suck on my cheesy Hampton as well.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 07:10:01 PM
Post by: andyh on February 11, 2019, 07:11:41 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
Dave is happy. I have an article to write for him!
Post by: CT on February 11, 2019, 07:21:11 PM
Sorry. This story has particularly got on my tits and footyskillz has as well. Unless he comes back for another round I am done on Mings now.
Dave is happy. I have an article to write for him!
The "Cheesey Hampton" line nearly made me choke with laughter as I was drinking at the time!!!
Post by: The Edge on February 11, 2019, 07:37:00 PM
"Dean Smith is a hypocrite for slating the officials for allowing Sheffield uniteds second goal to stand. He's whinging because Sharpe allegedly kicked the ball out of the keepers hands. The keeper wasn't injured. Last week Mings stamped on a Reading players face injuring him badly. Smith didn't say a word about Mings assault. Hypocrite"
To be fair the presenter put him straight pointing out that it has been judged as accidental. Honestly I'm staggered at how fucking clueless some people are and they decide to contact a radio show just to highlight the fact.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 07:40:25 PM
Sorry. This story has particularly got on my tits and footyskillz has as well. Unless he comes back for another round I am done on Mings now.
Dave is happy. I have an article to write for him!
The "Cheesey Hampton" line nearly made me choke with laughter as I was drinking at the time!!!
Apologies!
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 11, 2019, 07:58:08 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 11, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
Chelts, bet you feel a lot better now, getting all that of your chest....better out than in !
Like a cleansing. If I had bothered to look here in the past week I wouldn't have had to 95 consecutive responses!
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 11, 2019, 10:41:12 PM
Chelts, bet you feel a lot better now, getting all that of your chest....better out than in !
Like a cleansing. If I had bothered to look here in the past week I wouldn't have had to 95 consecutive responses!
Ha ha
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 12, 2019, 09:29:52 AM
A spate of quality rants, followed by this quote, great stuff.Sorry. This story has particularly got on my tits and footyskillz has as well. Unless he comes back for another round I am done on Mings now.
Dave is happy. I have an article to write for him!
The "Cheesey Hampton" line nearly made me choke with laughter as I was drinking at the time!!!
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
You are of the view it was a complete accident. Lots of people aren't so convinced - you only have to read the pages of this thread to realise that. I personally think he could probably have avoided it if he really wanted to to - I know this is debatable but it's my opinion. I don't want him to be banned and I'm glad he wasn't, but my own view is he's a bit lucky that the system doesn't allow a review.
The fact that you see it differently doesn't make you a better fan or more loyal than those who aren't so convinced.
You post as if it's black and white and your opinion is the only one that is valid and he has been completely exonerated. Just because it can't be reviewed doesn't mean the refs decision is correct. Some people think it was wrong, in the same way we all think the Baggies hand ball goal was wrong and Sharps kick out the hands was wrong - the ref saw those once in real time too and clearly made the wrong call.
I agree with what you say about trial by media - the coverage has been OTT. But it was a horrific injury and was always going to attract a lot of attention. I think pundits are within their right to give their views, just as we are on this forum.
It's not black and white. He hasn't been proved innocent or guilty and never will be, it will always remain a matter of opinion. I can see both sides but my overwhelming feeling is one of relief that there is no formal review. I think it's time to accept that sometimes peoples opinions differ and move on.
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2019, 10:54:31 AM
Post by: passport1 on February 12, 2019, 11:20:28 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 13, 2019, 10:44:51 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 13, 2019, 11:40:50 PM
I think it was good to see what looked like an acknowledgement and hand shake /embrace with 'mopey' after match as he had a beef and battle with Brentford striker at times
Shades of mellberg with his hoofs in the first half and particular at start I'm sure in part due to press of Brentford and lack of midfield option.
Was outclassed along with Elphick for the goal.
And sold himself twice including goal .
But he was a solid performer again .
Very decent for this level
Post by: KRS on February 14, 2019, 06:02:19 AM
Post by: sid1964 on February 14, 2019, 07:21:41 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 14, 2019, 01:11:08 PM
Sorry. This story has particularly got on my tits and footyskillz has as well. Unless he comes back for another round I am done on Mings now.
Dave is happy. I have an article to write for him!
I have only just seen all your replies ?!!
Errr We all moved on !
But I guess yours were belated !
And you're just stating your views.
All I have to say is Happy Valentines day to you.
Lots of love !
(And sorry if I annoyed you for whatever reason.)
We can just move past this and think of love.
Have a good one CH !
No hard feelings !
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2019, 02:21:18 PM
Post by: AVH87 on February 14, 2019, 02:32:35 PM
Effective defender which is what we need right now. Hoofer of the ball which long term will not fit into Deano's plans. But the best of a sorry bunch of defenders at the club as at 14:21pm on 14/02/2019
I don't think he aims to be a hoofer. But look in front of you and who is showing for the ball? Whelan is knackered most the time from us chasing the ball back, Hourihane hides which leaves McGinn who is often double marked.
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Effective defender which is what we need right now. Hoofer of the ball which long term will not fit into Deano's plans. But the best of a sorry bunch of defenders at the club as at 14:21pm on 14/02/2019
I don't think he aims to be a hoofer. But look in front of you and who is showing for the ball? Whelan is knackered most the time from us chasing the ball back, Hourihane hides which leaves McGinn who is often double marked.
You have more than a valid point.
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
I like him too. I hope we sign him in the summer. I'd also like Tuanzebe but can't see it happening.
That would be a shame, because on paper at least they'd be a great combination.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2019, 07:00:44 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2019, 07:06:10 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2019, 07:12:32 PM
New LB hopefully in the summer but let's not tinker with the defence again now.
Post by: TheMalandro on February 14, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
I doubt we’ll see him after the season ends.
Post by: olaftab on February 14, 2019, 07:32:30 PM
I'd keep him at centre half and let him build up an understanding with Elphick or Chester when he's back.Tuanzebe.
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
I'd keep him at centre half and let him build up an understanding with Elphick or Chester when he's back.Tuanzebe.
He won't be back for a while.
Post by: Steve67 on February 14, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
He did okay last night, but for there goal, I could not believe how easily he was beaten - the bollocking he gave out I think was directed at Abrahams.
He was beaten by a brilliant bit of skill. It was the only thing he did wrong all night.
Post by: Legion on February 14, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
I'd keep him at centre half and let him build up an understanding with Elphick or Chester when he's back.Tuanzebe.
He won't be back for a while.
I hope he comes back for good. I want him back for good.
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
Is he even out of plaster yet?
I’d be very surprised if we see Axel play for us a again.
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 14, 2019, 11:19:14 PM
Post by: ROBBO on February 14, 2019, 11:45:37 PM
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2019, 11:01:57 AM
We will be much better when he moves to left back.
And weaken the centre of defence? No thanks.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 15, 2019, 11:15:05 AM
We will be much better when he moves to left back.
And weaken the centre of defence? No thanks.
We need to be thinking long term though. This season is over, we're finishing 10th, 11th or 12th. I simply don't see the point of getting Hause in if he's seen as a full back, it's exactly like SB playing Axel at right back.
Maybe the short term solution here is give Hause and Mings a few games together at CB and see if that gels, Elphick is hardly some undroppable defensive colossus after all.
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
If he tells me a song I will sing it.I'd keep him at centre half and let him build up an understanding with Elphick or Chester when he's back.Tuanzebe.
He won't be back for a while.
I hope he comes back for good. I want him back for good.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 15, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 15, 2019, 04:41:33 PM
I really like the look of Mings so far. I get the impression he wants to play centre half and I suspect that's where his long term future is. I hope it's with us.With Axel as the holding midfielder, (we can but hope).
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 16, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
Post by: XXVilla on February 16, 2019, 10:38:18 PM
He’s quite vocal on social media and seems to have quickly sussed out the fact we have a group of fans who really aren’t helping.
Our fault again. That’s the kind of shite you see on SHA
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2019, 10:41:41 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2019, 01:09:19 AM
Post by: darren woolley on February 17, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2019, 09:19:18 AM
All he said was "we must stick together". It's an impressive leap to go from that to him "sussing" we have fans that aren't helping.
Indeed.
Post by: AV82EC on February 18, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
He’s quite vocal on social media and seems to have quickly sussed out the fact we have a group of fans who really aren’t helping.
I saw that and he’s dead right. The total frustration of some of our supporters has been simmering under the surface since relegation, it hasn’t gone away, not sure what it’s going to take to purge it so we can all move forwards.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
He’s quite vocal on social media and seems to have quickly sussed out the fact we have a group of fans who really aren’t helping.
I saw that and he’s dead right. The total frustration of some of our supporters has been simmering under the surface since relegation, it hasn’t gone away, not sure what it’s going to take to purge it so we can all move forwards.
Some decent football and results?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 18, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
He’s quite vocal on social media and seems to have quickly sussed out the fact we have a group of fans who really aren’t helping.
I saw that and he’s dead right. The total frustration of some of our supporters has been simmering under the surface since relegation, it hasn’t gone away, not sure what it’s going to take to purge it so we can all move forwards.
Acceptance that we are what we currently are and that pretending we aren't isn't helping anyone.
It's this old 'we're Aston Villa' mindset that not only drives other people outside the club barmy but me and others i go with also.
It's absolutely irrelevant and if people keep trying to compare what is now with what once was they'll never get over the fact we're currently shit and get behind the current team/manager/board and support us back to where we all want (but not deserve) to be etc etc
They've got to get in the now and stop living in the past. Time has moved on.
Post by: paul_e on February 18, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
Living in the past is thinking that someone like Bruce of Fat Sam or Warnock could come in and 'do a job' and then we'd replace them once we're promoted. We've seen teams do things the right way, get promoted and stay up for a while, the issue is the likes of Swansea, Southampton, Bournemouth, etc are small clubs who are fine until things go wrong and then they just haven't got the structure to ride things out. All of them know that though, which is why they've put money into their grounds and training facilities whilst things were going well in the hope that getting back (or holding on and rebuilding) will become easier.
Smith is a nod to the future, he may not be the right choice but if he isn't he'll be the wrong choice for the right reasons and hopefully the club will be, even if the results haven't come, better setup for the next guy. Sherwood, RDM and Bruce each left a clusterfuck in their wake, I doubt Smith will do the same.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 18, 2019, 02:06:22 PM
Sorry, can't agree with that. It's not about people living in the past, it's about looking at everything, except the squad, at the club and KNOWING that this is a top half of the premier league club. we should never forget that, we should never get over it. We got relegated because we made a lot of bad decisions, in fact we're closing in on a decade since we first started on this path when we let MON buy a new back 4 for the 2nd year running but think Downing was the only extra attacking player we needed. We won't get back to where we want to be by thinking we're shit and deserve to be here, we'll get back there by having a plan on what we want to do and sticking to it. Part of that plan will be that we've got facilities and a reputation that is vastly above most teams in this league which gives us plenty of advantages so long as we know how to use them.
Living in the past is thinking that someone like Bruce of Fat Sam or Warnock could come in and 'do a job' and then we'd replace them once we're promoted. We've seen teams do things the right way, get promoted and stay up for a while, the issue is the likes of Swansea, Southampton, Bournemouth, etc are small clubs who are fine until things go wrong and then they just haven't got the structure to ride things out. All of them know that though, which is why they've put money into their grounds and training facilities whilst things were going well in the hope that getting back (or holding on and rebuilding) will become easier.
Smith is a nod to the future, he may not be the right choice but if he isn't he'll be the wrong choice for the right reasons and hopefully the club will be, even if the results haven't come, better setup for the next guy. Sherwood, RDM and Bruce each left a clusterfuck in their wake, I doubt Smith will do the same.
Totally agree Paul and I don't want us to ever just accept our lot as a Championship club. The money we spent over the past few seasons should have seen us assemble a squad too strong for this league, but it was spent badly in a lot of cases.
They had a bit of an advantage with the Mendes link (right or wrong), but Wolves spent the same kind or less money and bought a number of players who were probably a bit too good for the league and got the best out of those that were inherited. We have not even come close to doing that.
Post by: Drummond on February 18, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 18, 2019, 02:47:47 PM
I rest my case.
Post by: paul_e on February 18, 2019, 04:56:08 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 18, 2019, 06:18:54 PM
You can rest it if you like but if think that what me and tom have posted somehow provs your point then you might need to take another look.
It doesn't matter if we have billionaire owners, 40 thousand people turning up or that we once won the European Cup
It's about the now. If people are forever going to sit and moan about the good old days or compare what we have now to what we once had it just breeds negativity to my mind. They'll never be happy with even a slight bit of progression as it will never be enough.
We aren't something special and we don't deserve to be anywhere but where we are. We accept that, and we do something about it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 18, 2019, 06:27:12 PM
Apart from a few that sill seem to think we should be spending tens of millions every transfer window everyone knows where we are. We're a mid-table second division side. I'll be fucked if i'll ever accept we're a second division club though and there's a massive difference between the two things.
We are Aston Villa, we are something fucking special.
Post by: Ads on February 18, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 18, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
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Post by: paul_e on February 18, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
You can rest it if you like but if think that what me and tom have posted somehow provs your point then you might need to take another look.
It doesn't matter if we have billionaire owners, 40 thousand people turning up or that we once won the European Cup
It's about the now. If people are forever going to sit and moan about the good old days or compare what we have now to what we once had it just breeds negativity to my mind. They'll never be happy with even a slight bit of progression as it will never be enough.
We aren't something special and we don't deserve to be anywhere but where we are. We accept that, and we do something about it.
I said nothing about winning anything but 40k tickets every week and billionaire owners does matter, we have better commercial revenue and people who are used to handling massive assets. Every signing talks about the facilities being amazing because they are, and it matters.
We're in the championship, everyone knows that and personally I'm not that interested in comparison to previous squads, but that doesn't mean we forget who we are. Aston Villa is a big 'brand' in the sport, why the fuck would anyone not want to acknowledge that?
We aren't special but, unlike 80 odd teams in the English leagues we could be, that's what you're trying to make people forget and it won't happen, and nor should it.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 19, 2019, 01:02:38 PM
Let it go. You'll enjoy things far more if you do. That's my motto.
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Post by: brentastonb6 on March 02, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
Playing results come and go. Quality is timeless. Even at times like now when we are playing very, very badly I feel sorry for people who are not Villa supporters and I am especially sorry for my nephew who claims to have become a Citeh fan. He will get battered at my funeral.Batter him now whilst you’re still alive to enjoy it and serve time 👍
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2019, 10:41:37 PM
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Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2019, 09:10:33 PM
I just hope we can sign him in the summer he's been brilliant for us.Such a likeable player.
I think he'll have plenty of suitors in the summer, but I think I'd offer him the captaincy and a decent contract and hope for the best.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2019, 09:11:58 PM
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Post by: Dazvillain on March 03, 2019, 10:44:41 PM
I just hope we can sign him in the summer he's been brilliant for us.We’re all going to be gutted as he was sent here to increase his saleability . Cherries will cash in on him going to go to a prem team.
We’ll have plenty more gaps to fill on our very tight costs base
Post by: Brassneck on March 03, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I thought he maybe should have done better with that header in the second half today but he's been great since he's been here.
Sounds like an assessment of one of God's performances - If doing better with a header is the only thing to improve on then he must be doing OK.
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 09:36:33 AM
He's looked the best centre half that Villa have had for a few years, including Terry and Chester (who were really a great partnership, rather than great individual players).
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2019, 01:03:03 PM
If Dean Smith can finish the season strongly, the sides that are coming up and down into the Championship in my opinion won't be as powerful as the last three seasons with Newcastle, Wolves and even Leeds/Norwich who are just more consistent. It won't be easy but I believe if it doesn't happen this season we have a brilliant chance next year and it might convince players like Mings, Jack etc to stick around for one more go.
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
Despite the mess we were in last summer we still got PL players like Tammy Abraham and Bolasie. We still signed Kalinic in January and kept Abraham as well as adding Mings. All of these players had other options but decided Aston Villa was the place to be despite our clouds of uncertainty.
If Dean Smith can finish the season strongly, the sides that are coming up and down into the Championship in my opinion won't be as powerful as the last three seasons with Newcastle, Wolves and even Leeds/Norwich who are just more consistent. It won't be easy but I believe if it doesn't happen this season we have a brilliant chance next year and it might convince players like Mings, Jack etc to stick around for one more go.
I agree with this and think this is why Jack and SJM won't be going anywhere this summer. One last crack, several players leaving on free's to free up salary. Several players available to us on Bosman's and some at Villa on loan deals but with fees already agreed. Makes for an interesting summer!
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 04, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
I just hope we can sign him in the summer he's been brilliant for us.We’re all going to be gutted as he was sent here to increase his saleability . Cherries will cash in on him going to go to a prem team.
We’ll have plenty more gaps to fill on our very tight costs base
If this is true, and 'Cherries' are only interested in raising the price as much as possible, why would they give a fuck on whether the team offering it is in the Premiership or the Championship?
The player might well have a preference on which league, I doubt the selling club would - in fact selling to a club not one of their rivals would be advantageous if anything.
Also, is this the 'tight costs basis' that just spent £7m on a keeper and £5m on a fullback in January, also offering £12m for a Championship centre-back? And actively fought for an on-loan striker to stay who we are paying up to a couple of million just to loan?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 04, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
re the tight cost basis - we can't flaunt FFP forever. If we don't go up there's no doubt we will have to cut back.
Of course we can't. Just until we get promoted is fine!
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 05, 2019, 08:36:34 AM
Says a lot about our experience with centre backs over the last however many years when an under the radar and discarded PL player like Mings comes in and looks a whole different level to what we've had for quite some time.
If we could somehow convince him to stay in the Championship and find the funds needed he'd be first on my summer buy list.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 05, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
Says a lot about our experience with centre backs over the last however many years when an under the radar and discarded PL player like Mings comes in and looks a whole different level to what we've had for quite some time.
If we could somehow convince him to stay in the Championship and find the funds needed he'd be first on my summer buy list.
Yep. An under the radar and discarded PL player who was mostly thought of as a left back as well!
Mine too.
Post by: KevinGage on March 05, 2019, 04:00:23 PM
Says a lot about our experience with centre backs over the last however many years when an under the radar and discarded PL player like Mings comes in and looks a whole different level to what we've had for quite some time.
If we could somehow convince him to stay in the Championship and find the funds needed he'd be first on my summer buy list.
Yep. An under the radar and discarded PL player who was mostly thought of as a left back as well!
Mine too.
I thought our CB pairing last season was alreet, TBH. The season before was fine as well when Beckenbaker slotted in instead of Elphick.
There are things I like about Mings, but we have still looked ropey at the back even after his arrival. That's not all on him, but Sheff U and Brentford away I thought he looked ropey.
That said, if the deal can be done for the right price, I'd take it. Covers us in two positions and age-wise, I think there is far more to come from him.
Post by: ozzjim on March 10, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2019, 02:33:42 PM
Would sign him without hesitation. He's a proper leader.
Also good in the air which is sort of partner Chester needs alongside him so he can drop off and read the player. If Chester can return and be his old self next season then we'd actually have a decent back line out from the first game.
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2019, 02:34:24 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
quality defender at our level, beast in the air and very tidy on the ball. Crying out for a better full back on the ball than Neil Taylor next him mind you
Get Chester back next few weeks and Hause will move back there, he is very calm on the ball.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2019, 02:36:44 PM
quality defender at our level, beast in the air and very tidy on the ball. Crying out for a better full back on the ball than Neil Taylor next him mind you
Kortney Hause in time. What he will need if he can secure his signing is a really good right sided CB. We don't know much about the French lad we have at RB but can only hope he's solid and a significant step up to Hutton and Elmo.
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Post by: KRS on March 10, 2019, 03:59:47 PM
Mings, Hause, Chester and possibly Elphick would be a good foundation if we are still in the Championship next season. Obviously we'll need to sort out the LB situation but this has the makings of a strong spine with Jack and SJM in midfield...and hopefully a strong CF to complete.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2019, 05:45:16 PM
Shush. No he's not, he's absolute shite. If we offer £250k for him, Bournemouth would be mad not to snatch our hands off.
Sorry, I thought this was the Neil Taylor thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 10, 2019, 05:46:33 PM
Very good, hope we somehow keep him.
lets start with rope ??
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 10, 2019, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on March 10, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
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Last thought on the derby win today. Tyrone Mings, sign him up.
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2019, 10:22:26 PM
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Post by: Risso on March 11, 2019, 02:36:12 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on March 11, 2019, 03:27:16 AM
He was immense today.
This. Absolutely superb today. A giant.
Post by: LukeJames on March 11, 2019, 06:20:15 AM
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Post by: darren woolley on March 11, 2019, 10:07:21 AM
Post by: LowerNorthStand on March 11, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
He's very good. His diving header to block a through ball at the end summed his commitment up.
Not seen a performance like that since Laursen. Mings seems a good fit for Villa.
House did very well too.
Quite a combo.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2019, 11:16:15 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2019, 11:50:18 AM
If we manage to get promoted I think there's a good chance he'll stay. If not, I think there will be plenty of suitors in the PL who will fancy him. We've done Bournemouth a massive favour putting him in the shop window for them.
I'm not so sure. If we carry on playing as we are but either don't quite make the playoffs or we don't get through them I think plenty of players in the squad will think there's a very good chance we'll be promoted next year. Given how much Mings (and a few others) seem to enjoy playing for us I wouldn't be surprised if we keep most of them (Tammy is the really unlikely one) on the basis that we're aiming for the title next season, if the other offers aren't in the top half of the premier league they might decide that a season of winning games in a promotion push is better than a relegation battle.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2019, 03:11:42 PM
But even if he's prepared to stay do you think we'll be able to afford him Paul? He looks like a £10m + player to me.If we manage to get promoted I think there's a good chance he'll stay. If not, I think there will be plenty of suitors in the PL who will fancy him. We've done Bournemouth a massive favour putting him in the shop window for them.
I'm not so sure. If we carry on playing as we are but either don't quite make the playoffs or we don't get through them I think plenty of players in the squad will think there's a very good chance we'll be promoted next year. Given how much Mings (and a few others) seem to enjoy playing for us I wouldn't be surprised if we keep most of them (Tammy is the really unlikely one) on the basis that we're aiming for the title next season, if the other offers aren't in the top half of the premier league they might decide that a season of winning games in a promotion push is better than a relegation battle.
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2019, 05:38:48 PM
But even if he's prepared to stay do you think we'll be able to afford him Paul? He looks like a £10m + player to me.If we manage to get promoted I think there's a good chance he'll stay. If not, I think there will be plenty of suitors in the PL who will fancy him. We've done Bournemouth a massive favour putting him in the shop window for them.
I'm not so sure. If we carry on playing as we are but either don't quite make the playoffs or we don't get through them I think plenty of players in the squad will think there's a very good chance we'll be promoted next year. Given how much Mings (and a few others) seem to enjoy playing for us I wouldn't be surprised if we keep most of them (Tammy is the really unlikely one) on the basis that we're aiming for the title next season, if the other offers aren't in the top half of the premier league they might decide that a season of winning games in a promotion push is better than a relegation battle.
No idea on that front.
Post by: Iamkmkm on March 11, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
Post by: Villafirst on March 11, 2019, 07:30:24 PM
He genuinely seems to love it here. No disrespect to Bournemouth or Ipswich at all, but I doubt's he's ever played in a game with an atmosphere like yesterday in his career before. He's come in, and is now our main defender in a club getting 35,000 fans every week.
Yes, Bournemouth capacity is under 11,000. VP is nearly 4 times the capacity. Crazy that Bournemouth are ahead of us....
Post by: robleflaneur on March 11, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
I have the early trappings of a bit of man love for Mings.
It’s that feeling of warmth or a sudden glow that comes over you when watching him play or just laugh at the noses. Much like how one feels about Jack especially with him just smiling even after they sent on one of their fucking goons to assault him. Our refusal to rise to their bollocks yesterday fucked them off massively.
Post by: Smithy on March 11, 2019, 07:56:59 PM
I'm just genuinely surprised any team outside the top 6 would be willing to let him go completely, given the performances we've seen from him.
Post by: dave shelley on March 11, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on March 11, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
I have the early trappings of a bit of man love for Mings.Hands off Chelts, I saw him first :)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 08:03:08 PM
Did anyone else notice the playful clip on the back of Jack's head as they walked towards the away fans at the end of the game. Nearly took Jacks fecking head off! And that was just playful, imagine if he'd meant it.
I love him for this, you definitely want him in the tranches with you.
https://twitter.com/andrewstone85/status/1104872598155026432
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
I’d love it more if we could sign him up for next season whatever league we are playing in
Post by: Fred Crump on March 11, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
Did anyone else notice the playful clip on the back of Jack's head as they walked towards the away fans at the end of the game. Nearly took Jacks fecking head off! And that was just playful, imagine if he'd meant it.I knew a lad from Redditch who was ABA heavyweight champion and I met him in the Kingfisher Shopping Centre and he gave me a friendly pat on the back. It was like being hit from behind by a bus and I couldn’t breathe for about 5 minutes afterwards. Pity the poor buggers he dropped to the canvas. Much the same thing with our Tyrone.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2019, 08:33:10 PM
Great player, and a real leader, too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
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Post by: Dr Butler on March 12, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: KRS on March 12, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
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Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 06:35:55 AM
Hope it's us
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2019, 10:50:23 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 14, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
Hause is doing ok but I'll be a lot happier when the best defender in the division last season, Chester, is back fit. We will be very strong then. Elmo is playing well too, even Taylor has improved.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 14, 2019, 11:21:34 AM
Hes been excellent so far.
Him and the look of Hause kind of remind me of Ugo and J Lloyd Samuel.
Post by: Confusious says on March 15, 2019, 12:47:02 AM
Post by: john e on March 16, 2019, 06:10:29 PM
did we get an option to buy on him I forget
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2019, 06:15:39 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 16, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
Grealish relieves pressure on the defence by keeping the ball higher up the pitch, and Mings is a really leader. The whole team are looking better.
Regards our new transfer recruitment set up, I was not hugely impressed with the window at the time. However Mings and Hause are looking like good signings now.
Post by: andyh on March 16, 2019, 06:40:58 PM
He tackled and beat 2 of their players, brought the ball out to just before the half way line, got whacked, looked like he was going to pull up injured and then sent a spectacular through ball to McGinn (I think). It was brilliant.
He is too good for this division.
Post by: KRS on March 16, 2019, 07:24:45 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2019, 08:56:03 PM
Post by: Ad@m on March 16, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
He is too good for this division.
This.
He's taking the piss half the time. Bournemouth must have some bloody good centre halves if he's not good enough for them.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2019, 09:01:47 PM
He is too good for this division.
This.
He's taking the piss half the time. Bournemouth must have some bloody good centre halves if he's not good enough for them.
what it tells you is the quality of the PL as much as anything else. Also should be noted that his PL appearances have been affected by his injuries and Bournemouth got other players in. That's why, not just Mings but also Jack, McGinn etc., they are all top Championship players but it is still a wait and see if they can replicate this in the PL which is so much faster and mentally quicker.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 16, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
Cool, calm and so skilful.
If We go up I would break the bank for him
Post by: Damo70 on March 16, 2019, 09:16:16 PM
I've not been well for a few weeks so have missed a few games. Today I saw the game live and what a fuckingbeast of a player he is.
Cool, calm and so skilful.
If We go up I would break the bank for him
Every time I see him play I think that I wouldn't want to fight him. He has a bit of the Allan Evans, Shaun Teale, Ugo Ehiogu aura about him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 16, 2019, 10:43:58 PM
However it’s a different game when you face up to Aguero, Salah and Kane etcHe is too good for this division.
This.
He's taking the piss half the time. Bournemouth must have some bloody good centre halves if he's not good enough for them.
Post by: Colhint on March 16, 2019, 10:53:32 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 16, 2019, 11:22:59 PM
Now four seasons on, he has only played about 20 games for them having got injured as soon as he arrived. I would imagine they are watching him closely as he gets this run of games and might becoming more reluctant to let him go regardless of which league we are in next year. Let's hope he stays fit and helps us into the play offs.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 16, 2019, 11:24:56 PM
He is too good for this division.
This.
He's taking the piss half the time. Bournemouth must have some bloody good centre halves if he's not good enough for them.
TBH he was always known as a left back, certainly played there breaking through at Ipswich and then Bournemouth played him there in first season up before he did his ACL.
He has been a huge surprise for me. The leader we've lacked for a long time at centre half for a start.
Post by: KRS on March 16, 2019, 11:52:03 PM
"On 26 June 2015, Mings signed for newly promoted Premier League club AFC Bournemouth on a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee, reported to be £8 million."
...so if that is correct and if my maths is right, then he's out of contract in the summer?
Post by: KRS on March 16, 2019, 11:55:12 PM
Joined: Jan 31, 2019
Contract until: 31.05.2019
on loan from: AFC Bournemouth
Contract there until: 30.06.2022
...looks like the Wiki is only about 3 years off.
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 16, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
Post by: KRS on March 17, 2019, 12:07:27 AM
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Aston Villa agree bizarre clause in Tyrone Mings deal after he completes medical at club
ASTON VILLA are set to offer a contract which includes an unusual clause to Bournemouth defender Tyrone Mings.
Aston Villa are currently overseeing Mings’ medical at the club, but the proposed deal contains a bizarre clause.
According to Sky Sports reporter Rob Dorsett, the deal includes a ‘matching option’.
That clause gives Villa the chance to sign the former Ipswich defender on a permanent deal at the end of the season if they match the value of the highest offer from another club.
Dorsett tweeted: “avfc have agreed terms with #Bournemouth over a loan deal for Tyrone Mings.
“It includes a “matching option” clause which means that Villa will be able to match any offer that comes in to buy him in the summer.
“He has completed his medical, and only finer points to conclude.”
Mings joined Bournemouth for an estimated £8m from Ipswich in 2015, but injuries have seen his opportunities limited.
The 25-year-old has only played 19 times in four full seasons, with his future at the Cherries looking bleak.
Eddie Howe revealed before the 4-0 win over Chelsea that incomings are unlikely, but Mings is likely to leave.
"We'll wait and see on what happens with Tyrone,” Howe said.
He added: “He's been unlucky since he signed for the club, so there's a possibility be could be an outgoing."
Mings could be in Villa's squad for Saturday's Championship showdown with Reading.
Post by: CpF on March 17, 2019, 02:14:57 AM
But if we win promotion I think it would be worth breaking the bank to try to sign him. First top class defender we've had since Laursen, and Laursen was as much a key player as Grealish is now.
Post by: Nastylee on March 17, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 17, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
So it will come down to Villa having to pay a massive fee to Bournemouth, even in the unlikely event that no other club wants him. And if they do it will depend on where he wants to be.
But if we win promotion I think it would be worth breaking the bank to try to sign him. First top class defender we've had since Laursen, and Laursen was as much a key player as Grealish is now.
I suspect the clause is that there's a minimum fee (let's say £5m) that we can sign him for but if any other club offers more then the fee becomes whatever that offer is. It's the only way it makes sense for the clause to be in the contract, for me.
Post by: CpF on March 17, 2019, 08:26:00 PM
I suspect the clause is that there's a minimum fee (let's say £5m) that we can sign him for but if any other club offers more then the fee becomes whatever that offer is. It's the only way it makes sense for the clause to be in the contract, for me.
You're probably right, although he's likely exceeded everyone's expectations to the point where big bids will line up and that figure effectively becomes meaningless. So to sign him for next season we'll need all 3 of: Winning promotion; Mings wanting to stay and Villa matching the biggest offer from other clubs. I think it's a long shot, but would love to be wrong.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 17, 2019, 08:29:58 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
https://twitter.com/avfchistory/status/1108382026003038208?s=12
Post by: Steve67 on March 20, 2019, 09:41:28 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on March 21, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
Post by: Uknowthescore on March 21, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
Great stuff really hope he signs.
Post by: andyh on March 21, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
Post by: D.boy on March 22, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 22, 2019, 03:12:41 PM
Sliders and socks!
The way he's played since he's been with us, I'll overlook that indiscretion
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 30, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1112037385112571904?s=12
Post by: itbrvilla on March 30, 2019, 06:17:58 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 30, 2019, 06:41:27 PM
This guy
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1112037385112571904?s=12
I think he is enjoying playing for us
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 30, 2019, 07:43:16 PM
Post by: frank on March 30, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
He's the best CB on the ball other than Terry I've seen in a Villa shirt.A future Villa captain, I hope
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 30, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
too soon???
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 31, 2019, 12:28:01 AM
Tyrone Mings my Lord, Tyrone Mings.....
too soon???
Definitely YES, but I totally understand where you're coming from, he's absolute class.
Post by: KRS on March 31, 2019, 02:11:09 AM
Post by: CT on March 31, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
Was he injured near the end? I noticed he didn't bother coming up for a later corner, although maybe that was just insurance in case Blackburn counter attacked.
He'll be a ledge for us if we can find a way to keep him.
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2019, 10:45:47 AM
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
What ? May be when Jack retires in 10 years time. :)He's the best CB on the ball other than Terry I've seen in a Villa shirt.A future Villa captain, I hope
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 31, 2019, 04:50:04 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but as soon as he scored yesterday and the fans sung a song for him he went to pot and lost the ball more in the space of a few minutes than i've seen him do in his entire time here combined.
Good to know he is in fact human after all.
Beast.
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 31, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but as soon as he scored yesterday and the fans sung a song for him he went to pot and lost the ball more in the space of a few minutes than i've seen him do in his entire time here combined.
Good to know he is in fact human after all.
Beast.
Yeah I noticed that, but immediately thought I was imagining it, because the Beast making mistakes is a totally absurd concept.
Post by: ColinMac on March 31, 2019, 09:15:26 PM
Post by: in exile on April 01, 2019, 11:19:10 AM
If I’m being really picky, he needs to use his right foot for more than just stamping on people’s faces.
Who's a clever boy then?
Post by: andyh on April 01, 2019, 11:22:42 AM
If I’m being really picky, he needs to use his right foot for more than just stamping on people’s faces.Just what is the fucking point of shit like this?
Post by: ColinMac on April 01, 2019, 01:57:39 PM
If I’m being really picky, he needs to use his right foot for more than just stamping on people’s faces.Just what is the fucking point of shit like this?
What the fucking point of your shit post? I was making the point that Mings is totally left footed, so you didn't like the joke at the end of it, ignore it. Point still stands.. as bloody brilliant as Mings is, hes got to use his right foot a lot more than he does now.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on April 01, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
That's a joke!!!If I’m being really picky, he needs to use his right foot for more than just stamping on people’s faces.Just what is the fucking point of shit like this?
What the fucking point of your shit post? I was making the point that Mings is totally left footed, so you didn't like the joke at the end of it, ignore it. Point still stands.. as bloody brilliant as Mings is, hes got to use his right foot a lot more than he does now.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2019, 09:58:20 AM
Post by: OzVilla on April 02, 2019, 10:01:20 AM
Post by: ColinMac on April 02, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
That's a joke!!!If I’m being really picky, he needs to use his right foot for more than just stamping on people’s faces.Just what is the fucking point of shit like this?
What the fucking point of your shit post? I was making the point that Mings is totally left footed, so you didn't like the joke at the end of it, ignore it. Point still stands.. as bloody brilliant as Mings is, hes got to use his right foot a lot more than he does now.
Watch him next game, its all left foot, albeit a great left foot, but still all left foot.
Post by: kieron on April 02, 2019, 05:15:58 PM
He could steal my kids and my girlfriend and I'd still buy a shirt with his name on it.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
Post by: ColinMac on April 02, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
Beggars belief that someone could find something to moan about with Tyrone.. Who is moaning? I’m just suggesting he could be even better.
He could steal my kids and my girlfriend and I'd still buy a shirt with his name on it.
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 07, 2019, 02:05:03 PM
Post by: GXVilla on April 07, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
If he keeps it simple, he is awesome at this level.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 07, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
Post by: themossman on April 10, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
For all his great games, he was poor tonight on many levels.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2019, 10:06:20 PM
That was coming for Mings. He misses Hause and the performance was petulant and brainless. Trying to skin players halfway up the pitch, Micah Richards esque??
For all his great games, he was poor tonight on many levels.
Agreed. But one game. Wake up call for him. The ‘stamps’ in his career show he loses his cool as he did for the first booking
Post by: LeeB on April 10, 2019, 10:10:45 PM
He's still great, and he's still a huge reason why we've got to where we have.
Post by: andyh on April 10, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
Shit happens.Agreed.
He's still great, and he's still a huge reason why we've got to where we have.
A rest on Saturday and he’ll be back, all guns blazing.
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2019, 10:19:07 PM
Post by: themossman on April 10, 2019, 10:22:28 PM
Post by: themossman on April 10, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
Shit happens.Agreed.
He's still great, and he's still a huge reason why we've got to where we have.
A rest on Saturday and he’ll be back, all guns blazing.
Agreed. He was pretty crap against Wednesday, and poor again tonight. Hopefully the game off will both recharge his batteries and also show that he needs to focus. At his best he's been brilliant for us, but he can't get complacent.
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
Shame he misses such a crucial game. I don't know why he was booked for the first time? Was defo a penalty though, although the booking is a double punishment and referee's are not supposed to do that any more unless it denies a certain goal.
I'm really not sure, the angle that's been shown so far looks 50/50 at most. For me the way the ball bounces away and his reaction suggests it's either chest or shoulder. Either way I agree that to give a yellow card as well was just shit from the ref (and I'd say the same for the Kodj pen as well, but that guy committed about 6-7 fouls so his yellow was well deserved even if it wasn't given for the right reason).
Post by: bones. on April 10, 2019, 11:15:04 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2019, 11:18:25 PM
Does a red card always mean the next game missed ? I thought it was the one after.
Nope, they don't hang around these days. Instant ban.
Post by: bones. on April 10, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2019, 11:33:50 PM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2019, 11:37:59 PM
Ffs give Mings a break! Suddenly he's a scapegoat! McGinn has 13 bookings - no player is perfect!
Where has anybody said anything to suggest he's a scapegoat?
Post by: themossman on April 10, 2019, 11:38:31 PM
Post by: KRS on April 11, 2019, 12:14:37 AM
Ffs give Mings a break! Suddenly he's a scapegoat! McGinn has 13 bookings - no player is perfect!SJM has 12 bookings.
Post by: mr underhill on April 11, 2019, 07:03:33 AM
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2019, 07:09:58 AM
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2019, 09:48:04 AM
Will he miss Bristol game?
Yes
Is an appeal likely?
No, it's 2 yellows so can't be appealed. All that could happen is that the ref reverses one of the decisions but that never happens.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 11, 2019, 09:52:20 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 11, 2019, 10:22:56 AM
Post by: Diablo on April 11, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
Post by: andyh on April 11, 2019, 10:57:17 AM
For the first yellow card Mings was guilty of overplaying it in the middle of the pitch but he was hit in the back of the neck with a forearm (which I thought was a free kick) and I think that was what caused him to lose his head and retaliate.Indeed. That fucker has 2 pops at Mings in that move, a kick and an elbow. The free kick should have been ours before Mings reacted.
Their number 4 was a cheating, moaning, whinging, snidey fucker the whole game.
Post by: AV82EC on April 11, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
For the first yellow card Mings was guilty of overplaying it in the middle of the pitch but he was hit in the back of the neck with a forearm (which I thought was a free kick) and I think that was what caused him to lose his head and retaliate.Indeed. That fucker has 2 pops at Mings in that move, a kick and an elbow. The free kick should have been ours before Mings reacted.
Their number 4 was a cheating, moaning, whinging, snidey fucker the whole game.
What was clear though was that Grealish was winding him up all night, as I saw several smiles and exchanges between the two of them. All sorted with a hug and handshake at the end of the game though.
Post by: Diablo on April 11, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
Just watched the challenge again and Vaulks left a knee in at the same time as the forearm lol. To be fair to Vaulks as you say he was all those things/ well up for it all game (which as a fan of a team in a relegation fight is exactly what you want) - besides the fowling and whinging to the ref he scored their pen and took the long throws too. I put it down to the piss poor ref and his team letting him get away with it (even the Rotherham fans were booing the ref at half time when they were winning, despite giving them a pen and sending Mings off - that's pretty impressive and just shows just how pish they were!!). That being said...what a game and what a ride!For the first yellow card Mings was guilty of overplaying it in the middle of the pitch but he was hit in the back of the neck with a forearm (which I thought was a free kick) and I think that was what caused him to lose his head and retaliate.Indeed. That fucker has 2 pops at Mings in that move, a kick and an elbow. The free kick should have been ours before Mings reacted.
Their number 4 was a cheating, moaning, whinging, snidey fucker the whole game.
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 11, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2019, 06:40:29 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:06:26 AM
Mings in last 2 games he started has dropped off in performance.
He was schooled by Fletcher v Sheff Wednesday the striker out thinking and out muscling constantly .
Also gave away the pen because of his poor position and defending .
Then Rotherham he wasn't great though it was laugable his first yellow card for his challenge as didn't seem to do much ! but his handling was poor literally in leading to his sending off and giving away pen
He's given away 2 pens and for all his qualities he's been shown up and a bit of reality check
I think part of it is playing with Tuanzebe and adjusting new partnership after hause went off against Wednesday but he was severally caught out in that match and had a real struggle against Fletcher.
Like how mcginn didn't just walk back in jedinak should be keeping his place Mings made to wait and understand his errors have lead to goals and he has no divine right to be back in team.
I like to think he'll come back stronger and don't get me wrong I recognize his qualities and what he brings however players have to play way back in and Jedinak and Tuanzebe are the two.
If Mings was put back in Tuanzebe left out because he didn't head it out for goal against Bristol city and isn't as good as Mings
My point really is that we have a stronger squad and that players who fall out of team aren't as missed as much as we could have feared.
Indeed we actually improved v Rotherham without Mings anf maybe that was him being complacency . He may do that against Bolton but any of our defence think can cope with Bolton attack.
Generally I see Mings as a first choicer however walking back in to team shouldn't be cut and dried.
Smithy wanted competition for places and think that what we seeing
Good performances should be rewarded. Mings didn't do that in last 2 starts.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 17, 2019, 11:11:47 AM
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
Can't agree Skillz, Mings straight back in for me!!
Fair enough Duncan however who comes out and I think it's not a straight forward decision.
I also feel I am accurate to say his last 2 matches haven't been as good as his previous . It's hard to keep consistent and maybe he needs a slight rest with all the football.
He wouldn't be so missed against Bolton
Though be brings a heck of a lot and not just balance to the centre defence I think it's something to note the squad all round is showing capabilities
I mean I would be ok with Abraham being benched for Davis too. Lansbury to have a run out .
If ever a time to give break it's against Bolton's beleaguers .
And this match can reward the Jedinak and Tuanzebe
Though if Smith wants to pick his best players then he takes Mings .
Why upset other players and why change a winning side when another match comes up Monday ?
It actually teaches Mings and squad something too.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
He certainly deserves credit for how he's played in the last two games and in particular getting up to speed so quickly when he hasn't had a kick for months. But Mings is on a different level and has mostly been fantastic for us. He's had his rest and straight back in for me too.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 17, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
I've always liked Jedi and I think people underestimate how important he was for us in his first couple of seasons.
He certainly deserves credit for how he's played in the last two games and in particular getting up to speed so quickly when he hasn't had a kick for months. But Mings is on a different level and has mostly been fantastic for us. He's had his rest and straight back in for me too.
Me too. As we have seen in the past, Jedinak can be a decent enough stop gap option at CB, but is prone to having the odd nightmare here and there. Mings has to go straight back in.
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
Can't agree Skillz, Mings straight back in for me!!
Fair enough Duncan however who comes out and I think it's not a straight forward decision.
I also feel I am accurate to say his last 2 matches haven't been as good as his previous . It's hard to keep consistent and maybe he needs a slight rest with all the football.
He wouldn't be so missed against Bolton
Though be brings a heck of a lot and not just balance to the centre defence I think it's something to note the squad all round is showing capabilities
I mean I would be ok with Abraham being benched for Davis too. Lansbury to have a run out .
If ever a time to give break it's against Bolton's beleaguers .
And this match can reward the Jedinak and Tuanzebe
Though if Smith wants to pick his best players then he takes Mings .
Why upset other players and why change a winning side when another match comes up Monday ?
It actually teaches Mings and squad something too.
Of course it's straightforward, don't be ridiculous.
Our bets Centre Back is fit and able to play, you don't play a midfielder there in his place to teach him something. Unless you're Steve Bruce.
Post by: kieron on April 17, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 17, 2019, 06:22:31 PM
Post by: CT on April 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Looking forward to seeing him and The Axe at the back.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2019, 08:34:02 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 17, 2019, 08:42:52 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:03:18 PM
Though I get why many wouldn't even consider having Mings out- it's an actual possibility though the Ayes clearly have it.
Ayes for left footed balance to central defence and the beastiality of his defending as well as his raking passing and starting footballing attacks and looking reassured on ball
The noes chiefly because in his last 2 starting appreance of matches Mingsy gave away two pens. Two goals scored and was sent off. His performance below par .
Also playing Bolton
Also others have played fine and there is a game Monday
It's clearly to bed now as no one is entertaining the notion .
Post by: Axl Rose on April 17, 2019, 11:13:33 PM
Well there is debate as there is a consideration like when Mcginn didn't get back in midfield v blues after suspension as villa won 4-0 against lampards derby county without him.
Though I get why many wouldn't even consider having Mings out- it's an actual possibility though the Ayes clearly have it.
Ayes for left footed balance to central defence and the beastiality of his defending as well as his raking passing and starting footballing attacks and looking reassured on ball
The noes chiefly because in his last 2 starting appreance of matches Mingsy gave away two pens. Two goals scored and was sent off. His performance below par .
Also playing Bolton
Also others have played fine and there is a game Monday
It's clearly to bed now as no one is entertaining the notion .
Oh footy, please give it a rest. It's as if you've got some weird obsession with McGinn and Mings. Leave them be. Just enjoy the fact that we've got some good players. Smith will know what to do.
'beastiality of his defending'...you're killing me.
Post by: themossman on April 17, 2019, 11:14:45 PM
Jedi strikes me as the last player on earth who would throw his toys about being dropped.
Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 11:16:04 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:42:19 PM
Well there is debate as there is a consideration like when Mcginn didn't get back in midfield v blues after suspension as villa won 4-0 against lampards derby county without him.
Though I get why many wouldn't even consider having Mings out- it's an actual possibility though the Ayes clearly have it.
Ayes for left footed balance to central defence and the beastiality of his defending as well as his raking passing and starting footballing attacks and looking reassured on ball
The noes chiefly because in his last 2 starting appreance of matches Mingsy gave away two pens. Two goals scored and was sent off. His performance below par .
Also playing Bolton
Also others have played fine and there is a game Monday
It's clearly to bed now as no one is entertaining the notion .
Oh footy, please give it a rest. It's as if you've got some weird obsession with McGinn and Mings. Leave them be. Just enjoy the fact that we've got some good players. Smith will know what to do.
'beastiality of his defending'...you're killing me.
Yeah and I crucify you for such a comment on weird obsession. The fawning is from every one else. I swoon for them too but !
You know something :as a justice seeker actually there is a generally obsession with these two from many others watterling on about their undeniable talents yet you get on my comments not others (repeated ones) who petal romance the qualities we all know about these two!
Yeah Soo weird.
For Mings he's at levels of what I call fish and chip defending that is he's not a simple bread and butter defender he can chip the ball and he can batter an opponent
The Scott who likes booking yeah we get the point he runs around yet that doesn't get stepped on when he read for the 516th time he ran around (what about those cards yeah!) yeah it's like when I lay my fuchsias it gets weirdly unnoticed
And believe you flower lips my fuchsias are a blooming sight
I love the wonderful bombastic midfield dynamism of Mcginn . That prowess is a meat ball and shoulders above any other midfielder (one that I wholeheartedly agree on and even vegans would actually savor) but am I not allowed to bring up these points I make on both ? Because it's detrimental to the character and the lovely ideals others weirdly obsess over and not me !?
I know it's easter time and all but this cover up of how players do no wrong is something that Pope Benedict XVI would nt even allow.
Yours obsessively in liking a balance + accurate view of players
Footy skillz
Up the villa.
I have no more comment untill JC is resurrection because clearly we can only say certain things without trying to be shamed.
Rest is on .
Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 11:52:35 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 17, 2019, 11:58:01 PM
Post by: danno on April 18, 2019, 12:09:40 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on April 18, 2019, 12:44:09 AM
Well there is debate as there is a consideration like when Mcginn didn't get back in midfield v blues after suspension as villa won 4-0 against lampards derby county without him.
Though I get why many wouldn't even consider having Mings out- it's an actual possibility though the Ayes clearly have it.
Ayes for left footed balance to central defence and the beastiality of his defending as well as his raking passing and starting footballing attacks and looking reassured on ball
The noes chiefly because in his last 2 starting appreance of matches Mingsy gave away two pens. Two goals scored and was sent off. His performance below par .
Also playing Bolton
Also others have played fine and there is a game Monday
It's clearly to bed now as no one is entertaining the notion .
Oh footy, please give it a rest. It's as if you've got some weird obsession with McGinn and Mings. Leave them be. Just enjoy the fact that we've got some good players. Smith will know what to do.
'beastiality of his defending'...you're killing me.
Yeah and I crucify you for such a comment on weird obsession. The fawning is from every one else. I swoon for them too but !
You know something :as a justice seeker actually there is a generally obsession with these two from many others watterling on about their undeniable talents yet you get on my comments not others (repeated ones) who petal romance the qualities we all know about these two!
Yeah Soo weird.
For Mings he's at levels of what I call fish and chip defending that is he's not a simple bread and butter defender he can chip the ball and he can batter an opponent
The Scott who likes booking yeah we get the point he runs around yet that doesn't get stepped on when he read for the 516th time he ran around (what about those cards yeah!) yeah it's like when I lay my fuchsias it gets weirdly unnoticed
And believe you flower lips my fuchsias are a blooming sight
I love the wonderful bombastic midfield dynamism of Mcginn . That prowess is a meat ball and shoulders above any other midfielder (one that I wholeheartedly agree on and even vegans would actually savor) but am I not allowed to bring up these points I make on both ? Because it's detrimental to the character and the lovely ideals others weirdly obsess over and not me !?
I know it's easter time and all but this cover up of how players do no wrong is something that Pope Benedict XVI would nt even allow.
Yours obsessively in liking a balance + accurate view of players
Footy skillz
Up the villa.
I have no more comment untill JC is resurrection because clearly we can only say certain things without trying to be shamed.
Rest is on .
Haha. Ok, footy. Fair enough
It's nice to see other posters 'watterling on' about players plus points. We haven't had much in the way of such talents over recent years.
Enough with the religious stuff though, eh.
Up the Villa, footy.
It's too early here to engage in arguments.
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2019, 01:03:39 AM
Post by: nodge on April 18, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
https://youtu.be/zDev4g-cXCA
Brilliant
Post by: Legion on April 18, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
Post by: mr underhill on April 18, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 18, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
Hahaha!https://youtu.be/zDev4g-cXCA
Brilliant
Post by: Steve67 on April 18, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
Post by: Comrade Blitz on April 18, 2019, 08:34:07 PM
Just what are you wittering on about?
Wittering about watterling. That last post sounds like Nigella Lawson wrote it FFS
Post by: GarTomas on April 19, 2019, 08:27:27 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 19, 2019, 08:28:42 AM
Fish and chip defending is brilliant to be fair.
Especially when you're getting battered.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 19, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
Fish and chip defending is brilliant to be fair.
It is. Ain’t got a clue what it means though.
Post by: footyskillz on April 19, 2019, 11:02:00 AM
Fish and chip defending is brilliant to be fair.
It is. Ain’t got a clue what it means though.
So the UK English have saying I learn call bread and butter saying
This means it's the basics and ordinary it's simple . There for it's the simple defending
Think Nathan Baker ,always ! despite my fondness also always , he's a bread and butter defender. Of course it's his destiny coming from a baking family heritage . That how these surnames work
Now onto fish and chip
I coined this for a man like Tyrone because it's recognition for another level and superior abilities
To relate it culinary wise I then took the historic and traditional UK dish fish and chips (which I am over familiar with -ejoyed today due to good Friday traditions too irrelevant news but a personal share)
So then to the actual mechanics
Fish = battered . Like the dish. So therefore Tyrone has shown his beastaility in stamping his way . He also demonstrate that he generally physically in propelling of opposition players to get to the ball. Impression of battering and can handle and give one!
That is the battered
Chips= now this is reference to his ability to play more than just a pass or kick or good out to defence .
He can chip or chips the ball and pass over to get it to our other players. It takes skillz which is something I appreciate. And not all players can do this.
So there it is fish and chip (maybe should be chips) defending.
The dish is something that is most recognized and respected and much loved and enjoyed. It's also the top dish . Bread and butter is the basics this is just the advance .
So the dishes bread and butter is fish and chip to Mings. He makes the good defending attributes (stamping aside) his staple diet
Tyrone Mings defensive abilities are that feast of fish and chips ok and this the English love and appreciate!
Comprador
Happy great Friday .
UTV
Post by: Bad English on April 19, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2019, 11:06:38 AM
Post by: footyskillz on April 19, 2019, 11:22:22 AM
Nice analogy.I long thought that was a version of apology maybe it is!
Bad English can tell us
And he can place a good pass.
And on that B.E. yes in a good plaice!
Though for the fish I look at it as the composition I didn't want to get all fishery with it.
Post by: KRS on April 19, 2019, 11:24:22 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on April 19, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
https://youtu.be/M_bbU_BUIC0
Post by: Ads on April 19, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
He didn't stamp. He's also not fucked any animals.
I agree on the first bit but for the rest lets not forget he played for Ipswich for a fair while.
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Post by: thick_mike on April 19, 2019, 12:06:58 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 19, 2019, 12:17:46 PM
He didn't stamp. He's also not fucked any animals.
I agree on the first bit but for the rest lets not forget he played for Ipswich for a fair while.
Ha! As a former resident of Norwich (where that kind of thing has been taboo since the 1990s) I'd say that in matters of animal romance it's unlikely that any stripe of Ipshitter will be totally without form.
Post by: in exile on April 19, 2019, 02:36:14 PM
Oh god, someone’s mentioned fish on H&V...there’ll be another ruddy punathon.
I'm just going to perch here and see if it happens
Post by: XXVilla on April 19, 2019, 03:46:17 PM
Post by: KRS on April 19, 2019, 04:31:33 PM
Post by: MoetVillan on April 19, 2019, 04:58:42 PM
Post by: Colhint on April 19, 2019, 05:12:23 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on April 19, 2019, 05:16:55 PM
Post by: mr underhill on April 19, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Post by: themossman on April 19, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
Still, when in Rome. Can salmon let minnow how bad Tammy’s injury is. And Codjia’s.
Post by: dave shelley on April 19, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 19, 2019, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: Rodders on April 19, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
Are people just doing fish puns for the halibut?
Certainly not MV, although I'd suggest that we've all halibut enough of them. They give me a haddock.
Post by: Comrade Blitz on April 19, 2019, 09:39:52 PM
So the UK English have saying I learn call bread and butter saying
This means it's the basics and ordinary it's simple .
Is he [implying that he's] not English?
Maybe we should just clam up.
Post by: Scratchins on April 20, 2019, 08:11:11 AM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on April 20, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Post by: adrenachrome on April 20, 2019, 07:29:09 PM
Moving on....
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Barry Hole.
After a well publicised incident, it became he's up, he's down he's in the Rose and Crown.
Post by: dave shelley on April 20, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
Moving on....
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Barry Hole.
After a well publicised incident, it became he's up, he's down he's in the Rose and Crown.
That's my earliest recollection of it too.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on April 20, 2019, 07:42:49 PM
Moving on....
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Barry Hole.
After a well publicised incident, it became he's up, he's down he's in the Rose and Crown.
No he was before my time, I had a suspicion the one I remember wasn't the original.
Was 80s or maybe 90s.
Doing my head in now, can only hear it with Tyrone Mings
Also..edit...RIP Barry Hole, in googling him (I knew the name and the Brown, Arce, Hole thing, but not much more) I find he died recently in March. #HEITS
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 20, 2019, 07:54:47 PM
If you're thinking early/mid 90s, Shaun Teale?Moving on....
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Barry Hole.
After a well publicised incident, it became he's up, he's down he's in the Rose and Crown.
No he was before my time, I had a suspicion the one I remember wasn't the original.
Was 80s or maybe 90s.
Doing my head in now, can only hear it with Tyrone Mings
Also..edit...RIP Barry Hole, in googling him (I knew the name and the Brown, Arce, Hole thing, but not much more) I find he died recently in March. #HEITS
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on April 20, 2019, 07:58:50 PM
If you're thinking early/mid 90s, Shaun Teale?Moving on....
Having a mental block here, the "he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where" song, who did we sing that about originally?
Maybe there's more than one but I seem to associate it with one player but I can't remember who
Barry Hole.
After a well publicised incident, it became he's up, he's down he's in the Rose and Crown.
No he was before my time, I had a suspicion the one I remember wasn't the original.
Was 80s or maybe 90s.
Doing my head in now, can only hear it with Tyrone Mings
Also..edit...RIP Barry Hole, in googling him (I knew the name and the Brown, Arce, Hole thing, but not much more) I find he died recently in March. #HEITS
Yes !!!! That's it for me. I remember now, you had to kind of create an extra syllable in Shaun !
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 21, 2019, 06:38:02 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on April 23, 2019, 12:38:42 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on April 23, 2019, 01:08:46 PM
So beyond the genuine Footyskillz Ronglish of him being a Fish n Chip defender, when’s the last time we had a ball carrying centre back you had such confidence in to watch bring the ball out from the back?
At times yesterday, Mings was like an even more scary version of Alan Hanson
Post by: mr underhill on April 23, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2019, 03:26:53 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 23, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2019, 04:23:16 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I largely agree, he's a complete central defender and we haven't had many of those, just lots of players that are nearly there. My only concern is how he'd handle the pace of someone like Sterling or Mane and if he has the temprament to deal with someone like Salah trying to get him sent off all game.
Post by: Chipsticks on April 23, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 23, 2019, 04:35:15 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
Chocolate Vlaar Guard? Plywood Ron. I think he is better than him already.
Post by: Chipsticks on April 23, 2019, 04:41:18 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
Chocolate Vlaar Guard? Plywood Ron. I think he is better than him already.
Absolutely love Mings but I think we need to be careful getting to carried away. Can't wait to (hopefully!) see him in the Prem with us next season and how he gets on.
Post by: XXVilla on April 23, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
Chocolate Vlaar Guard? Plywood Ron. I think he is better than him already.
Vlaar was well average in retrospect. Mainly due to injuries I suppose.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2019, 10:37:25 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
He appears to be more composed on the ball than Mellberg, but as I alluded to in my post, he's playing in a lower division so your point about Laursen and Mellberg is a good one. You could include Southgate and Ugo in that too I guess.
Vlaar though?! Fucking hell, he was utter shite. Mile Jedinak is a better central defender than him.
Post by: Sunny Villa on April 24, 2019, 01:54:57 AM
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Post by: robbo1874 on April 24, 2019, 05:38:49 AM
I do think though, that there’s probably the nucleus of a side that could survive a season in the PL and would relish the challenge. And I really hope they get the opportunity to do that. I’d guess the club are likely planning for either scenario of going up or staying down at the minute. But as a supporter, I find it hard to look past the playoffs right now.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 24, 2019, 09:30:58 AM
This is true. One poster on here suggested if we go up, we’ll likely do a Fulham and go straight back down. I hadn’t considered that possibility, but I suppose it’s more likely than not, unless we strengthen big time in the summer (and assuming we do actually go up).Although I do have concerns about coming straight back down, the saving grace is that when teams actually try to play good football against us, we have the better results - as this current team seems to up their game accordingly and play much more attractive football.
I do think though, that there’s probably the nucleus of a side that could survive a season in the PL and would relish the challenge. And I really hope they get the opportunity to do that. I’d guess the club are likely planning for either scenario of going up or staying down at the minute. But as a supporter, I find it hard to look past the playoffs right now.
I believe our biggest failing in most of the years following this wonderful club is not in raising our game to match/outplay the opposition, (apart from the last disastrous years in the league above us), but failing to brush off opposition that come and play crap or a holding/defensive pattern - something else that seems to have been recently addressed, as I cannot remember when I've witnessed so many games where we have gone through the motions professionally, with a winning result.
Post by: The Edge on April 24, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
Post by: not3bad on April 24, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
He appears to be more composed on the ball than Mellberg, but as I alluded to in my post, he's playing in a lower division so your point about Laursen and Mellberg is a good one. You could include Southgate and Ugo in that too I guess.
Vlaar though?! Fucking hell, he was utter shite. Mile Jedinak is a better central defender than him.
Going a bit far. I remember our performances always visibly improved when Vlaar was in the side during his time.
Post by: Chipsticks on April 24, 2019, 01:47:12 PM
Even though it's a level below the Premier League, to me he looks to be the best defender we've had since McGrath. He looks to have everything in his game; aerial ability, pace, excellent distribution and raw unbridled strength.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's better than Laursen or Mellberg. I'd say he might potentially be as good as Vlaar one day soon, he just needs to prove himself in the Prem first.
He appears to be more composed on the ball than Mellberg, but as I alluded to in my post, he's playing in a lower division so your point about Laursen and Mellberg is a good one. You could include Southgate and Ugo in that too I guess.
Vlaar though?! Fucking hell, he was utter shite. Mile Jedinak is a better central defender than him.
Going a bit far. I remember our performances always visibly improved when Vlaar was in the side during his time.
Yep. Vlaar was definitely a Prem-quality defender and represented his country well too. Towards the latter end of his time with us the wheels fell off for sure, but there was a time when he was the heart of our defence.
I don't think we can say Mings is better than him at all, but I think he could be! We'll see next season when he's up against Salah, Aguero etc
Post by: Ads on April 24, 2019, 01:54:38 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 24, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
The three players that have bought about this great run are Mings, together with McGinn and Grealish.
Post by: Diablo on April 24, 2019, 02:11:38 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 24, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
Yeah, Vlaar was wank. Not as wank as a few others we've had in the past 10 years or so but still wank. I will say with complete confidence that Mings is better even though he's playing a league down. The question is, can Mings be as good as Laursen, we'll have to hope that we go up and he stays with us to find out.I'd add Whelan to that list. A few months back i would of said you were nuts if you tried telling me Whelan was pivotal to our promotion challenge.
The three players that have bought about this great run are Mings, together with McGinn and Grealish.
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2019, 05:22:32 PM
Mings is much better. Vlaar was a 6 foot 3 lightweight. Mings is physically imposing, dominating and miles quicker.Except he failed to cut it in the Premier League whereas Vlaar captained Feyenoord, Villa and AZ in top Leagues for nearly 300 games. I like Mings but there is a reason why he is out on loan to us and not playing for Bmouth.
Post by: Ads on April 24, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2019, 05:54:24 PM
Mings is much better. Vlaar was a 6 foot 3 lightweight. Mings is physically imposing, dominating and miles quicker.Except he failed to cut it in the Premier League whereas Vlaar captained Feyenoord, Villa and AZ in top Leagues for nearly 300 games. I like Mings but there is a reason why he is out on loan to us and not playing for Bmouth.
He hasn't failed to cut it, he's been permanently injured.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 24, 2019, 05:59:01 PM
He hasn't failed to cut it, he's been permanently injured.
Are we still talking about Vlaar?
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Post by: Smirker on April 24, 2019, 06:49:06 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Yes but....when good players return they are not loaned out. It’s fair to say that Bmouth did not feel having him back from injury will strengthen their team.Mings is much better. Vlaar was a 6 foot 3 lightweight. Mings is physically imposing, dominating and miles quicker.Except he failed to cut it in the Premier League whereas Vlaar captained Feyenoord, Villa and AZ in top Leagues for nearly 300 games. I like Mings but there is a reason why he is out on loan to us and not playing for Bmouth.
He hasn't failed to cut it, he's been permanently injured.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2019, 07:12:57 PM
Yes but....when good players return they are not loaned out. It’s fair to say that Bmouth did not feel having him back from injury will strengthen their team.
So, you're saying he's not a good player? Well, I have to disagree, because he's been absolutely immense for us. I would think his being loaned out was more to do with them wanting him to get back fit and play week in, week out, with minimum risk to themselves.
Post by: KRS on April 24, 2019, 07:18:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2019, 07:31:57 PM
I am not saying he is not a good player I am guessing at the Bmouth point of view. They obviously don’t regard him that high. He is too good for most of the forwards in the second tier however he is not facing Aguero, Sterling, Sane, Salah, Kane, Rashford, Lukaku, Vardy etc etc week in week out. When your best players come back from injury you don’t send them to a lower tier club for the rest of the season to get fit. My point was more about comparison with Vlaar and a poster saying he is much better than Vlaar. It’s not apples and apples....
Yes but....when good players return they are not loaned out. It’s fair to say that Bmouth did not feel having him back from injury will strengthen their team.
So, you're saying he's not a good player? Well, I have to disagree, because he's been absolutely immense for us. I would think his being loaned out was more to do with them wanting him to get back fit and play week in, week out, with minimum risk to themselves.
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2019, 07:43:26 PM
When your best players come back from injury you don’t send them to a lower tier club for the rest of the season to get fit. My point was more about comparison with Vlaar and a poster saying he is much better than Vlaar. It’s not apples and apples....
As Ads points out, he's played about a dozen games in 4 years for Bournemouth. We're not talking about being out for a few months with a thigh injury, he's effectively missed almost the entire last three and a bit years. They've been doing well in that time, so the chance to loan him to a big club like us where he'd get a regular run out was too good to pass up for them. They can't lose. We're paying his wages while he gets up to speed, and at the end of this season he'll either go back to them a reinvigorated player, or they'll sell him to either us or somebody else for a big fee.
As for Vlaar, remind yourself about Sherwood's first game in charge against Stoke. 'Concrete' was absolutely piss poor that day, as he was fairly frequently.
Post by: Ads on April 24, 2019, 08:21:49 PM
If we can get promoted, I would not hesitate in signing him and I'll be brave and say he'd end up being spoken about as fondly as King Olaf and Laursen et al in years to come.
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2019, 09:00:56 PM
Again. Tyrone is far too good for most if not all championship forwards but has not proved himself at top level for whatever reason so comparing him with a proven international centre half is bunk at the moment.
By that yardstick, would you rather have Jack Grealish, with 30 Premier League appearances who is playing against the same Championship defenders and midfielders that Mings is, or Ashley Westwood, who has 200+ Premier League appearances and is "proving himself" in the Premier League?
Vlaar might have played against top Premier League strikers, but by saying "proved himself at the top level" what I think you really mean is "had no pace and was run ragged by anybody half decent."
Post by: LeeB on April 24, 2019, 09:11:07 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on April 24, 2019, 09:18:22 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2019, 09:37:17 PM
A puzzling reply so I won't bother answering.Again. Tyrone is far too good for most if not all championship forwards but has not proved himself at top level for whatever reason so comparing him with a proven international centre half is bunk at the moment.
By that yardstick, would you rather have Jack Grealish, with 30 Premier League appearances who is playing against the same Championship defenders and midfielders that Mings is, or Ashley Westwood, who has 200+ Premier League appearances and is "proving himself" in the Premier League?
Vlaar might have played against top Premier League strikers, but by saying "proved himself at the top level" what I think you really mean is "had no pace and was run ragged by anybody half decent."
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2019, 11:11:16 PM
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Post by: mr underhill on April 25, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
I must say, my memory of Vlaar is that he was an average central defender in a piss poor spell for the club. Mings looks a proper player and I think will be a big player in the premier league if he can stay fit.Vlaar, much like Baros looked a lot better for his national side than he ever did for us. Vlaar was largely mediocre for us. He wasn't Lescott/Richards bad, and I suppose, to a point, he at least seemed to care, but he was one of almost relentless line of dreadful defensive signings for years. Our best central defensive signings since O Neill left (and his record was a mixed bag putting it mildly) have been Chester and Mings. Hause has been decent of late and Tuanzebe too. The unfortunate thing is, we don't own three of those, and I would agree the dury is out on whether they'd make the step up. I'd have no qualms about signing Mings and Tuanzebe though, for the Premiership.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 26, 2019, 08:40:06 AM
Saido Mane destroyed him in about 20 minutes.
Let's be fair now. Mané has the ability to destroy most centre-halves the world over, on his day.
Post by: mike on April 26, 2019, 07:56:44 PM
I must say, my memory of Vlaar is that he was an average central defender in a piss poor spell for the club.
And that's being generous.
Post by: somec on April 26, 2019, 09:31:55 PM
concrete Ron turned out to be made of blancmange.
Less concrete more PolystyrRon
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 26, 2019, 11:51:59 PM
concrete Ron turned out to be made of blancmange.
And frequently injured
Post by: adrenachrome on April 28, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
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Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2019, 06:30:34 PM
... We just have to find a way to keep him.Get promoted, I guess!
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 06:32:03 PM
Was amazing in injury time. Was the only player actually attempting to clear their countless crosses into the box, proper one man defence.
Him (and Axel) are better at carrying the ball than most championship midfielders.
And yes he was a rock today. One moment right at the end he slid and got a scuffed contact on to the ball, at full stretch, and it traveled halfway up the pitch.
Post by: The Charmer on April 28, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
Is anyone else worried that this won't have gone un-noticed by Eddie Howe and he won't allow him to leave?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 08:10:30 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2019, 08:11:39 PM
He looks like he really does love playing for the Villa and knows just how much we appreciate the difference he has made since he arrived.
Is anyone else worried that this won't have gone un-noticed by Eddie Howe and he won't allow him to leave?
I'm sure it won't go unnoticed, but they've got Nathan Ake who they paid £20m for at the start of last season and Chris Mepham who they've just signed on a long-term contract. He can't play them all. I can't see Mings going back to sit on the bench or in the stands, and we all know that in modern football players ultimately get what they want.
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2019, 08:20:54 PM
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Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 28, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
Love him.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
If we go up we must sign him permanently.
Love him.
If we don't we still need to keep hold of him. If we have him for a season we will go up automatically.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2019, 10:04:37 PM
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 10:21:42 PM
After watching today's game you can sense how much the club means to him. It would be a massive come down if he would have to return to Bournemouth, even if they were a division above us. He'd be such an important signing, not just for us but for him too.
I'm a cynical old get and I was so disillusioned with football I stopped watching it until my boy started playing. There's tens of thousands of pounds a week worth of reasons why that twat Bryan sold his soul and dignity to go straight from a medical at Villa to sign at Fulham. But even I can see a possibility that Tyrone can consider that playing for Villa in the Championship trumps playing for Bournemouth in the Premier League.
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
We just need to go up, then Eddie Howe can go and fuck himself.
Eddie, if your reading this, don't wait for us to go up.
Do it anyway.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 29, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: FrankyH on April 29, 2019, 06:48:18 PM
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I did enjoy watching Mings with a player under each arm on the scuffle yesterday.
Yes , that was brilliant.I love this picture as well. Not the slightest bit intimidated ...
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 07:48:33 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on April 30, 2019, 12:10:57 AM
Mings is one of those rare defenders who I actually enjoy watching play.Indeed. And I’m enjoying him enjoying playing, he’s a charismatic guy, a great personality to have about. Has he done an unclassic commentary with the McGinster? They’ll have a field day with the last match.
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Post by: levico on May 03, 2019, 12:36:22 PM
Makes me think though, what’s the catch? Why is he here and not on Bournemouth’s bench at the very least?
Post by: Pat Mustard on May 03, 2019, 12:58:30 PM
Completely agree with everything said about TM. Superb defender, a joy to watch. Most assured I’ve seen in Villa shirt since Lauren/McGrath.
Makes me think though, what’s the catch? Why is he here and not on Bournemouth’s bench at the very least?
I'm guessing it's down to his previous injuries meaning he has not had much game time there, and sending him out on loan is a way for them to assess his potential. This being the case, can I just say to Bournemouth that he is absolutely useless and by far the best thing they could do is cut their losses and let him leave ASAP.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 03, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
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Post by: Villa75 on May 03, 2019, 01:39:08 PM
First refusal? Get in the queue? Agreed fee?
I would imagine we've helped Bournemouth increase his fee significantly, as well as helping ourselves to the play offs, but I would love to have him stay with us.
Post by: Drummond on May 03, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 03, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
I'm pretty sure it was the opportunity to match any bid made.
I remember reading that a while ago and thinking what a strange clause it is. How is it any different from a regular transfer situation? Surely the club always has the opportunity to match any bid made by another. It only benefits Bournemouth in the end if a club starts a bidding war for a player, it's no real added benefit to us? Is it that they can't refuse it from us if they accept a bid from elsewhere? Even then I don't really understand why you'd work that into a loan agreement. Odd one.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2019, 06:21:06 AM
A lot may depend on whether Nathan ake is still at Bournemouth too. They bought mepham for 12m or so. Is he getting in ahead of that pair?
Post by: London Villan on May 04, 2019, 08:09:14 AM
Post by: Larry Duff on May 05, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
As we walked up a Car was being mobbed by lots of Villa Fans. We got up to it and it was Tyrone and there was a crowd singing his name and having selfies with him.
He was lapping it up and there was a a big queue building up behind him.
I was wondering where He was going as He was heading away from the ground and also wondered if He was on the Lap of Honour done by our players after the game ?
Post by: The_ads on May 05, 2019, 04:32:11 PM
So did anyone else see him in his car outside The Aston Tavern about 40 minutes before Kick Off.
As we walked up a Car was being mobbed by lots of Villa Fans. We got up to it and it was Tyrone and there was a crowd singing his name and having selfies with him.
He was lapping it up and there was a a big queue building up behind him.
I was wondering where He was going as He was heading away from the ground and also wondered if He was on the Lap of Honour done by our players after the game ?
He was in Grealishs box with Abraham so expect so
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 05, 2019, 05:02:49 PM
So did anyone else see him in his car outside The Aston Tavern about 40 minutes before Kick Off.
As we walked up a Car was being mobbed by lots of Villa Fans. We got up to it and it was Tyrone and there was a crowd singing his name and having selfies with him.
He was lapping it up and there was a a big queue building up behind him.
I was wondering where He was going as He was heading away from the ground and also wondered if He was on the Lap of Honour done by our players after the game ?
He was in Grealishs box with Abraham so expect so
Yeah he was on the "lap of appreciation !"
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
If we go up I really think he'll want to come and that would count for a lot
A lot may depend on whether Nathan ake is still at Bournemouth too. They bought mepham for 12m or so. Is he getting in ahead of that pair?
Eddie Howe still likes playing the old guard, Steve Cook started for them yesterday, he's been their donkeys years.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 06, 2019, 07:04:35 AM
So did anyone else see him in his car outside The Aston Tavern about 40 minutes before Kick Off.
As we walked up a Car was being mobbed by lots of Villa Fans. We got up to it and it was Tyrone and there was a crowd singing his name and having selfies with him.
He was lapping it up and there was a a big queue building up behind him.
I was wondering where He was going as He was heading away from the ground and also wondered if He was on the Lap of Honour done by our players after the game ?
I also saw that and thought the same, he was there ages, I made it in with 5 mins to spare so God knows how he did. Fair 0lay to him, he looked very happy to do the photos etc, even with 500 people pawing at his £100k motor.
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2019, 09:04:52 AM
Post by: Rodders on May 12, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
http://twitter.com/ReganFrancis/status/1127499307278585859
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 11:52:28 AM
Post by: dave shelley on May 12, 2019, 12:44:47 PM
Just when you think you can't love Tyrone any more than you already do:
http://twitter.com/ReganFrancis/status/1127499307278585859
I'm sure that video clip was taken from the seat that I sat in for the 5-5 against Forest.
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2019, 12:51:28 PM
Just when you think you can't love Tyrone any more than you already do:"Officer do something! We'm been smiled at; it ay fair."
http://twitter.com/ReganFrancis/status/1127499307278585859
Post by: Rodders on May 12, 2019, 01:26:32 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 02:29:32 PM
I was looking down at this from just above, at first momentarily forgetting they were baggies fans I thought he was just jokingly offering water and stewards holding back fans, then realised he was effectively winding up away fans. Rights and wrongs of engaging with opposition fans, as someone was saying before kick off, his lovely Leeds post match interview sums him up,Just when you think you can't love Tyrone any more than you already do:"Officer do something! We'm been smiled at; it ay fair."
http://twitter.com/ReganFrancis/status/1127499307278585859
that was quite a battle eh?
Response: massive smile, yeah I loved it.
Genuinely nice and fun guy.
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 02:31:58 PM
Also, when he heads the ball, it bloody well stays headed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
He wasn't at his best yesterday, but I do love to see him striding out of defence with the ball. Him and Axel could be a brilliant pairing next year if we go up.
Also, when he heads the ball, it bloody well stays headed.
Agree, wasn't at his best, but I too love him, strides out of defence with the ball, like you said, and almost always finds one of our players with it.
He's a leader, too.
Post by: KRS on May 12, 2019, 08:34:58 PM
Has there been any reasonable suggested reasoning why Jack, SJM and Mings seemed to be off the pace yesterday as they all didn't seem to be at their usual best?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
Post by: KRS on May 12, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 12, 2019, 09:59:15 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 12, 2019, 10:08:12 PM
I'm a bit worried he was struggling with his hamstring at for the last 10 mins or so. Hope he's ok for Tuesday. Any news?
Dean said it was a tight hamstring but he should be ok for Tuesday.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2019, 01:19:27 PM
*head in hands*
Post by: AV82EC on May 13, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.
*head in hands*
And getting pretty short shrift judging by the replies.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 13, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.
*head in hands*
I was reading the same thread on Twitter, Paulie, and just didn't know what to say.
Post by: danno on May 13, 2019, 01:26:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/21/paul-pogba-pace-power-rethink-bame-coverage
Post by: chrisw1 on May 13, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
A few probably read this and just accepted it as gospel.This stuff is getting so ridiculous it's beyond belief.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/21/paul-pogba-pace-power-rethink-bame-coverage
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2019, 04:58:14 PM
3-5
1-5
0-4
0-4
1-4
0-5
0-4
they will keep Mings . Howe would be an idiot to let the beast go.
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2019, 07:16:38 PM
I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.
*head in hands*
Utterly ridiculous wasn't it? He's moaning about some of the replies he has been getting now.
There's nothing wrong with Beasts anyway. The Craggy Island beast was great. He had four arses.
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2019, 08:51:56 PM
We call our wee little lad the Beast from the East. I best not broadcast that via a tweet I suppose.I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.
*head in hands*
Utterly ridiculous wasn't it? He's moaning about some of the replies he has been getting now.
There's nothing wrong with Beasts anyway. The Craggy Island beast was great. He had four arses.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 14, 2019, 06:28:54 AM
Post by: themossman on May 14, 2019, 07:44:50 AM
I know it's a bit simplistic, as Elmo and El Ghazi were rested too. But for weeks we'd been functioning like well-oiled clockwork, we had a week after Leeds, we had virtually a week after til yesterday, and after Tuesday there's best part of a fortnight to the final. Hardly the most congested of fixture lists. Norwich weren't thugs, personally I'd have liked to see us maintain our unbeaten run and impetus.
Things is though Jack was unplayable after his injury and SJM didn’t miss a beat when he got his ban.
I put it down to nerves and West Brom tactics.
Post by: Dazvillain on May 14, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
Post by: Diablo on May 14, 2019, 02:57:07 PM
I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.It quite obviously does have racial overtones if you look at history. Imperialist nations who went into African countries and stole their resources under the guise of bringing “civilization” and religion to the “savages” and obviously the slave trade both used crazy bullshit pseudoscientific scientific racism/race biology to support or justify racism/racial inferiority and racial superiority. Historically language was used to dehumanise people to say they are a sub species and therefore it’s ok to do this or that (despite their physical attributes). The term “beast” definitely supports that narrative and is a continuation of that language (that has been going on for 400 plus years) that’s why it’s arguably not appropriate language towards a black person in 2019. If the term beast is said to a white person (eg Eddie Hall from Stoke) it doesn’t have that history/context attached.
*head in hands*
All about history and context really.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
Post by: Diablo on May 14, 2019, 03:22:52 PM
It just means a physically imposing and powerful football player. Race doesn't come into it.Not disputing that it may mean just that to you Risso. Do you not take on board the connotation and history though?
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 04:12:51 PM
I've just seen someone on twitter say it's racist to call Mings and Tuanzebe 'beasts' because it has racial overtones towards black players.It quite obviously does have racial overtones if you look at history. Imperialist nations who went into African countries and stole their resources under the guise of bringing “civilization” and religion to the “savages” and obviously the slave trade both used crazy bullshit pseudoscientific scientific racism/race biology to support or justify racism/racial inferiority and racial superiority. Historically language was used to dehumanise people to say they are a sub species and therefore it’s ok to do this or that (despite their physical attributes). The term “beast” definitely supports that narrative and is a continuation of that language (that has been going on for 400 plus years) that’s why it’s arguably not appropriate language towards a black person in 2019. If the term beast is said to a white person (eg Eddie Hall from Stoke) it doesn’t have that history/context attached.
*head in hands*
All about history and context really.
If people are looking for it then yes, they may see that but a few minutes googling for Marshawn Lynch will make it clear that it's not universally seen as racist. I've called plenty of people beasts through rugby and in every single case it's been because of what they do and nothing to do with who they are. For example Chabel, Gorgodze and Mtawarira will always be beasts as far as I'm concerned, only 1 of them is black but all 3 made a career of running through defenders like they were made of paper.
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2019, 04:36:18 PM
Post by: KRS on May 14, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2019, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 14, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
He's big, he's black, he's beautiful. I love Tyrone Mings.
Is it still ok to use the word "big"
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 14, 2019, 11:54:14 PM
The first after the Albion thug's stamp on McGinn. When he got up, Mcginn was steaming and would likely have gone for Brunt and got a card of some sort. Mings physically dragged him away, held him back and stopped him getting into trouble.
After the penalties, he was the first player shaking hands and consoling the Albion players.
How good a player he is is obvious but he is a proper good bloke to have at our club as well. Him and McGinn this season have been two of my favourite Villa signings for a long, long time.
Post by: Smirker on May 14, 2019, 11:58:06 PM
I'd like us to sign him permanently if we go up. Not sure if it will be possible but he will be a great signing.
Post by: danno on May 14, 2019, 11:58:57 PM
after the Albion thug's stamp on McGinn. When he got up, Mcginn was steaming and would likely have gone for Brunt and got a card of some sort. Mings physically dragged him away, held him back and stopped him getting into trouble.
Yep it reminded me of Scooby holding back Scrappy doo. Great to see from Mings because McGinn had lost it, he was raging.
Post by: purpletrousers on May 15, 2019, 12:04:43 AM
A couple of random observations about Mings tonight.Indeed and he didn’t pick up that 2nd yellow crucially. We have to have him next year.
The first after the Albion thug's stamp on McGinn. When he got up, Mcginn was steaming and would likely have gone for Brunt and got a card of some sort. Mings physically dragged him away, held him back and stopped him getting into trouble.
After the penalties, he was the first player shaking hands and consoling the Albion players.
How good a player he is is obvious but he is a proper good bloke to have at our club as well. Him and McGinn this season have been two of my favourite Villa signings for a long, long time.
Post by: Dougs Socks on May 15, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Son of God 8)
Post by: dicedlam on May 15, 2019, 07:51:14 AM
Post by: themossman on May 15, 2019, 08:36:46 AM
A couple of random observations about Mings tonight.
The first after the Albion thug's stamp on McGinn. When he got up, Mcginn was steaming and would likely have gone for Brunt and got a card of some sort. Mings physically dragged him away, held him back and stopped him getting into trouble.
After the penalties, he was the first player shaking hands and consoling the Albion players.
How good a player he is is obvious but he is a proper good bloke to have at our club as well. Him and McGinn this season have been two of my favourite Villa signings for a long, long time.
Racist
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
#thoughtpolicetwork
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2019, 09:53:35 AM
There is not a better English left-footed central defender in the country. He should be called up by Southgate.
Fuck that.
Post by: sonyhill on May 15, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
A couple of random observations about Mings tonight.
The first after the Albion thug's stamp on McGinn. When he got up, Mcginn was steaming and would likely have gone for Brunt and got a card of some sort. Mings physically dragged him away, held him back and stopped him getting into trouble.
After the penalties, he was the first player shaking hands and consoling the Albion players.
How good a player he is is obvious but he is a proper good bloke to have at our club as well. Him and McGinn this season have been two of my favourite Villa signings for a long, long time.
Agreed. McGinn looked like he was going to go for Brunt and Mings was right in his ear straight away. Class act.
Post by: themossman on May 15, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2019, 12:55:27 PM
Post by: tim on May 16, 2019, 07:55:58 AM
Besides his personality, he appears to be totally committed and loves being at Villa. In my eyes, could easily become a future hero in same mould as Laursen etc.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 16, 2019, 08:00:25 AM
I love him. I was trying, unsuccessfully, last night to get Mrs SE to agree that he was the embodiment of all that is beautiful about humanity. She was trying to watch the Michael Jackson paedo documentary on Netflix, the sick witch.
Ha! Great post, pal.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2019, 09:37:42 AM
Can he get a 2nd yellow for jumping into the fans at the end.....smiley thing I think!
The stroppy stewards didn't look very happy, did they? One bloke physically pushed him. Nice that Mings The Merciless just turned and smiled at him.
Baggies stewards have always been twats.
Post by: Dazvillain on May 16, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
A lot of ways this could pan out, but he’s certainly regathered his zest for playing here
Post by: phantom limb on May 16, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2019, 10:01:44 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2019, 11:21:22 AM
If we win the final, there's no way he'll be anywhere else other than Villa Park next season. If we could bag Axel as well, that's our central defence sorted for years.
Yep. Agreed. I just wish Solksjaer would shut the fuck up about Axel.
Mings would choose us over pretty much anywhere I think.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 16, 2019, 12:01:53 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 16, 2019, 12:19:43 PM
He does like to take his shirt off and reveal his lean muscular body doesn't he? Mind you, if I was 30 years younger and had a physique like his and equally as good at football I'd probably take everything off.
If it motivates the female and gay parts of our fan base what’s not to like. And judging by the reaction his topless shots get on Twitter I think it’s working.
Post by: darren woolley on May 16, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 17, 2019, 10:12:03 PM
Off the field, Mings has gained a reputation for charitable and generous acts.[26] He spent Christmas Day 2013 feeding homeless people[27] and when he was given the number 3 shirt by Ipswich at the beginning of the 2014–15 season, he replaced the shirts of fans who had already bought ones with his old number on the back.[6]
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2019, 10:40:20 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 17, 2019, 10:58:50 PM
He does like to take his shirt off and reveal his lean muscular body doesn't he? Mind you, if I was 30 years younger and had a physique like his and equally as good at football I'd probably take everything off.
😂
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
Post by: jwarry on May 18, 2019, 05:44:00 PM
Bournemouth have had a bid accepted for Bristol city's Lloyd Kelly. A left sided defender can play left back and centre half. May be good news for us re Tyrone?
Never heard of him how can he better than Mings. Are Bournemouth one of those clubs that need to sell now and again to survive financially?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 18, 2019, 05:46:48 PM
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Post by: Ads on May 18, 2019, 08:19:16 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 18, 2019, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on May 21, 2019, 11:30:50 PM
Mings very keen on staying at AV next season regardless of if they go up. Talks between the 2 clubs are to commence straight after the playoff final with Bournemouth hoping to recover the £8M they paid for him back in 2015
👍🏻🤞🏻
Post by: DrGonzo on May 22, 2019, 12:13:45 AM
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2019, 07:02:58 AM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 22, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
Article from south coast today...
Mings very keen on staying at AV next season regardless of if they go up. Talks between the 2 clubs are to commence straight after the playoff final with Bournemouth hoping to recover the £8M they paid for him back in 2015
👍🏻🤞🏻
£8m? A bargain in today's market.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 22, 2019, 10:36:38 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2019, 11:23:41 AM
£8 million for Mings
Post by: Pat Mustard on May 22, 2019, 11:31:28 AM
Article from south coast today...
Mings very keen on staying at AV next season regardless of if they go up. Talks between the 2 clubs are to commence straight after the playoff final with Bournemouth hoping to recover the £8M they paid for him back in 2015
👍🏻🤞🏻
£8m? A bargain in today's market.
If this is true then I'd be snapping their hands off - Mings would be our most important signing of the summer whatever division we are in. Had a look at a Bournemouth forum to see their views, looks like there are quite a few over there who would like him back and his form at Villa certainly hasn't gone unnoticed.
As an aside, their comments on the ref in the second leg of the play-off final make interesting reading - the neutral view certainly doesn't tally with the Bogeyes assessment!
https://bournemouth-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/tyrone-mings-legend-or-bad-a.8442/page-6
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2019, 02:42:45 PM
Post by: Richard E on May 22, 2019, 04:16:54 PM
Article from south coast today...
Mings very keen on staying at AV next season regardless of if they go up. Talks between the 2 clubs are to commence straight after the playoff final with Bournemouth hoping to recover the £8M they paid for him back in 2015
👍🏻🤞🏻
£8m? A bargain in today's market.
Especially in a universe where Burnley are allegedly willing to part with £15 million in actual money for Craig Dawson.
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2019, 04:34:11 PM
Article from south coast today...
Mings very keen on staying at AV next season regardless of if they go up. Talks between the 2 clubs are to commence straight after the playoff final with Bournemouth hoping to recover the £8M they paid for him back in 2015
👍🏻🤞🏻
£8m? A bargain in today's market.
Especially in a universe where Burnley are allegedly willing to part with £15 million in actual money for Craig Dawson.
Christ!
Although I bet Dyche was aroused by the lump meeting that long throw into the box.
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2019, 06:28:54 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 23, 2019, 07:14:16 PM
Can he get a 2nd yellow for jumping into the fans at the end.....smiley thing I think!
The stroppy stewards didn't look very happy, did they? One bloke physically pushed him. Nice that Mings The Merciless just turned and smiled at him.
Baggies stewards have always been twats.
Although I had a most amusing encounter with a copper there the once. It was the McLeish season and the 0-0 game. They were full of it about us getting relegated and we had the usual graceful interactions with the twats to the left.
Unfortunately I was sat right next to them and couldn't resist throwing a wanker sign at the fat, red faced bloke in his 50's who was quite literally spitting bile across the segregation netting.
Within 30 seconds one of West Midlands finest approached me and I thought I was due for my second ejection from The Hawthorns.
"I am sorry officer for the wanker sign but have you seen how he has been behaving?"
The response was unexpected. "Don't worry son, I can't stand the ****** either".
A Wolves fan who spent all of the second half keeping me abreast of scores at other games. I dont think he took his job too seriously.
Post by: Colhint on May 24, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
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Post by: cdward on May 25, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
He had only ever scored once before, when he was at Ipswich, and he has 2 for us.
Mings and Villa are meant to be together, let's hope he stays.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
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Post by: villasjf on May 25, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on May 27, 2019, 06:11:34 PM
#sonofgod
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
We simply must sign him up, he’s a natural successor to some of our legendary centre halves and a worthy one at that.My favourite centre-half since Laursen. He's brilliant. And you just don't expect him to be so comfortable on the ball either. Equal parts beast CH, and classy CH.
#sonofgod
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2019, 06:16:21 PM
Post by: bodkins14 on May 27, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
Post by: phantom limb on May 27, 2019, 06:28:51 PM
Post by: Havencheese on May 27, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on May 27, 2019, 06:59:09 PM
Agree with all that but....We simply must sign him up, he’s a natural successor to some of our legendary centre halves and a worthy one at that.My favourite centre-half since Laursen. He's brilliant. And you just don't expect him to be so comfortable on the ball either. Equal parts beast CH, and classy CH.
#sonofgod
Please please change title of this thread and remove CONFIRMED until he is now ?
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 27, 2019, 07:21:27 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 27, 2019, 07:35:27 PM
Has to be our first signing, whatever it takes
It won't be that onerous A sensible deal will be done.
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
Post by: Villa75 on May 27, 2019, 07:58:02 PM
No coincidence that the only goal Derby scored was whilst Mings was lying injured.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 08:23:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 08:28:52 PM
Much as I think he's been great and want him him to stay I'd hope we aren't daft enough to pay £30-40m for him.
Indeed, supply and demand. No more than £8m.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 08:37:36 PM
Much as I think he's been great and want him him to stay I'd hope we aren't daft enough to pay £30-40m for him.
Indeed, supply and demand. No more than £8m.
Makes it harder to guess as his last contract was only described as "long-term", but you'd guess it's 2 or 3 more years. I reckon he'd be £10-15m.
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 08:52:04 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on May 27, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2019, 08:54:27 PM
Much as I think he's been great and want him him to stay I'd hope we aren't daft enough to pay £30-40m for him.
Indeed, supply and demand. No more than £8m.
Makes it harder to guess as his last contract was only described as "long-term", but you'd guess it's 2 or 3 more years. I reckon he'd be £10-15m.
Yeah, I'd agree. And would be happy to pay that. Allegedly we offered £12m for Mepham in January so around the same for Mings would be fair enough and doable I would think.
Post by: Villafirst on May 27, 2019, 09:49:18 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2019, 02:48:23 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 03:12:13 AM
We should pay £8-10 for him. Bournemouth will take that.
I'll pay £20 for him.
Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2019, 05:26:10 AM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 28, 2019, 05:30:28 AM
He has been an absolute colossus and he is as responsible as anyone for us going up.
100% must sign.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 28, 2019, 06:06:04 AM
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 06:52:42 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2019, 09:24:45 AM
Much as I think he's been great and want him to stay I'd hope we aren't daft enough to pay £30-40m for him.Yeah, that would be just daft. With his injury record, £10m should be about right.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/itsdxnni/status/1133093978100908032This is just briliant. Can't believe he kept his full kit on - what a star!
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 28, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
It says everything that Derby only scored their goal after he injured himself making that brilliant challenge.
He has been an absolute colossus and he is as responsible as anyone for us going up.
100% must sign.
For me, the single biggest reason we're back in the PL, obviously Grealish, McGinn, Tammy and Dean Smith himself playing huge parts also.
Post by: Villan For Life on May 28, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
It says everything that Derby only scored their goal after he injured himself making that brilliant challenge.
He has been an absolute colossus and he is as responsible as anyone for us going up.
100% must sign.
For me, the single biggest reason we're back in the PL, obviously Grealish, McGinn, Tammy and Dean Smith himself playing huge parts also.
So he's not the single biggest reason then ;)
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2019, 02:22:23 PM
From twitter posts of the players party last night and what TM has posted today, he STILL hasn’t taken his Villa kit off yet ! 😀Love it!
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2019, 02:32:26 PM
Post by: brian green on May 28, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on May 28, 2019, 03:37:20 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 03:42:57 PM
Could a Mod/Admin please change the thread title to reflect Mings' contract status ?
Better?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 28, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 28, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
He has done more in one half let alone the half season he's been with us than McCormack and Richards combined for their entire time here. He really is awesome.
He did more in a couple of games than those two let alone half a season
Post by: DennisHodgetts on May 28, 2019, 04:07:53 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 28, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
He has done more in one half let alone the half season he's been with us than McCormack and Richards combined for their entire time here. He really is awesome.
He did more in a couple of games than those two let alone half a season
Read it again Toronto.
Post by: Tuscans on May 28, 2019, 04:37:25 PM
Meanwhile back at Bournemouth train station ;D ledge.
Post by: kieron on May 28, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
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Post by: frank black on May 28, 2019, 05:24:21 PM
Good lad 😂🤣😅
Post by: frank black on May 28, 2019, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2019, 05:32:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qcJDoWkAgorkF.jpg)Just fucking brilliant!
Meanwhile back at Bournemouth train station ;D ledge.
Post by: passport1 on May 28, 2019, 05:36:40 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 05:53:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 06:00:29 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 28, 2019, 06:28:15 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on May 28, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
Forgive me if I missed it, was there anything at all on his injury? (Might help keep his price down?)
Post by: itbrvilla on May 28, 2019, 06:32:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qcJDoWkAgorkF.jpg)Where was that posted?
Meanwhile back at Bournemouth train station ;D ledge.
Post by: purpletrousers on May 28, 2019, 06:34:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qcJDoWkAgorkF.jpg)Where was that posted?
Meanwhile back at Bournemouth train station ;D ledge.
Villa twitter account
“He’s still going. 😂
@OfficialTM_3
#AVFC”
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1133404324233699329?s=21
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2019, 06:39:12 PM
Post by: Rigadon on May 28, 2019, 06:41:37 PM
We really must sign Mings.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Have there ever been loan signings so loved?!
They were pretty popular last season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
Post by: kieron on May 28, 2019, 06:57:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Nigel5626/status/1133389941692612608
Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on May 28, 2019, 07:03:02 PM
Just noticed someone’s changed it ... thanks. Let’s hope it changes to confirmed permanent sooner rather than laterAgree with all that but....We simply must sign him up, he’s a natural successor to some of our legendary centre halves and a worthy one at that.My favourite centre-half since Laursen. He's brilliant. And you just don't expect him to be so comfortable on the ball either. Equal parts beast CH, and classy CH.
#sonofgod
Please please change title of this thread and remove CONFIRMED until he is now ?
Post by: TheMalandro on May 28, 2019, 07:11:34 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 28, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 28, 2019, 11:19:45 PM
Original here:
https://twitter.com/Nigel5626/status/1133389941692612608
He's got a load of crap off a Bournemouth fan about it too.
Which is great - that sort of thing only helps him to realise he's better off at VP.
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2019, 11:22:14 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 28, 2019, 11:30:50 PM
In his interview with Purslow, Dean says we've got options to buy three of the players. Who are they, Hause, Mings and El Ghazi?
Definitely Hause and El Ghazi. By process of elimination it must be Mings as I don't think we've got options on either Tuanzebe or Tammy.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2019, 11:31:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
Post by: thick_mike on May 29, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Post by: KRS on May 29, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on May 29, 2019, 12:42:41 AM
Post by: brontebilly on May 29, 2019, 12:50:47 AM
In his interview with Purslow, Dean says we've got options to buy three of the players. Who are they, Hause, Mings and El Ghazi?
Definitely Hause and El Ghazi. By process of elimination it must be Mings as I don't think we've got options on either Tuanzebe or Tammy.
We have some kind of matching bid clause with Mings. That might drag out unfortunately as I expect Nathan Ake to be the subject of much interest this summer. Mings is his backup at Bournemouth.
El Ghazi is a Mendes player so getting him in might not be as easy after his performance last week. Bound to be plenty of interest.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 01:58:47 AM
https://twitter.com/boudie83/status/1133390699582369796?s=12
Post by: Tuscans on May 29, 2019, 03:48:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByBdJ6egf2n/
Post by: aj2k77 on May 29, 2019, 09:01:37 AM
I wouldn't be getting motivated to return to 10,000 fans in a baked bean tin. They're a flash in the pan and once they sink it will be back to historically where they belong, the 3rd division, it happens time and time again.
Post by: The Edge on May 29, 2019, 09:09:54 AM
All respect to Bournemouth, they've played some fantastic football and have a brilliant manager who lives their club but take away the TV money and there is nothing there, the ground could fit in the Holte End. It's not surprising that a player who's had bad times injury wise who now get's to play in front of 40,000 in a famous, traditional ground enjoyed himself."All respect to Bournemouth".......follow by "i wouldn't be getting motivated to return to 10,000 fans in a baked bean tin. Back where they belong in the 3rd tier" lol. What are you like when your not giving clubs "all respect"? Made me chuckle that did.
I wouldn't be getting motivated to return to 10,000 fans in a baked bean tin. They're a flash in the pan and once they sink it will be back to historically where they belong, the 3rd division, it happens time and time again.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2019, 09:20:50 AM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Post by: SW9-VILLA on May 29, 2019, 09:21:44 AM
Nice come back Tyrone...
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByBdJ6egf2n/
Don't know why people take time out to respond to these bedwetters on the internet. Top response though 8)
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 09:22:43 AM
Could a Mod/Admin please change the thread title to reflect Mings' contract status ?
Better?
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
Superbhaha...however not sure he should be driving his RR wearing sliders.
https://twitter.com/boudie83/status/1133390699582369796?s=12
Post by: fbriai on May 29, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Also, the only reason they scored is because he was injured at that moment. Had he been on his feet still, they'd never have got past him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2019, 12:07:19 PM
Post by: Nastylee on May 29, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on May 29, 2019, 12:16:25 PM
If Mings isn't offered a guaranteed place in the B'mouth defence then why would he stay? I'd imagine Howe will chat to him and I guess the outcome of that conversation will determine whether he comes or not.
Even if he is offered a guaranteed place - Bournemouth or Aston Villa - there is no thinking to do - 42000 or 12000 watching every week - he is already a hero at VP so the choice has been made. (And no way can Bournemouth offer a better financial package) It has to be us !
Post by: andyh on May 29, 2019, 12:20:58 PM
I think the round, drivey, thingy is on the other side 😉Superbhaha...however not sure he should be driving his RR wearing sliders.
https://twitter.com/boudie83/status/1133390699582369796?s=12
Post by: Somniloquism on May 29, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
I could understand that argument if all our players stopped playing waiting for the whistle but I didn't see that. What we did have was a Mings sized hole in the centre where two Derby players where being marked by one Villa player.
Post by: usav on May 29, 2019, 12:37:41 PM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Have you ever had acute cramp? It feels like someone has shot you. I have no issue with him rolling around in those circumstances - it's about all you are capable of until the muscles relax.
Post by: supertom on May 29, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
Yeah, a player like Mings doesn't go down and stay down lightly. No complaints for the big man from me.Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Have you ever had acute cramp? It feels like someone has shot you. I have no issue with him rolling around in those circumstances - it's about all you are capable of until the muscles relax.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 29, 2019, 01:01:08 PM
All respect to Bournemouth, they've played some fantastic football and have a brilliant manager who lives their club but take away the TV money and there is nothing there, the ground could fit in the Holte End. It's not surprising that a player who's had bad times injury wise who now get's to play in front of 40,000 in a famous, traditional ground enjoyed himself."All respect to Bournemouth".......follow by "i wouldn't be getting motivated to return to 10,000 fans in a baked bean tin. Back where they belong in the 3rd tier" lol. What are you like when your not giving clubs "all respect"? Made me chuckle that did.
I wouldn't be getting motivated to return to 10,000 fans in a baked bean tin. They're a flash in the pan and once they sink it will be back to historically where they belong, the 3rd division, it happens time and time again.
Read my opinion on the Small Heath thread ;).
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2019, 01:04:30 PM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Have you ever had acute cramp? It feels like someone has shot you. I have no issue with him rolling around in those circumstances - it's about all you are capable of until the muscles relax.
I do, all too often. In fact my Hamstring went into cramp during the night. It's like the muscle is locked and I can't move. So for it to happen to a footballer in such circumstances, I'm not surprised he had to be substituted.
Post by: Oscar Arce on May 29, 2019, 03:36:51 PM
Maybe there's a better chance of him coming now, a shrewd move from the big man.
Post by: Dazvillain on May 29, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2019, 04:33:05 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 29, 2019, 04:34:11 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
Highly doubt we'd pay that. Could be wrong. I love Mings but even in the current market, surely 15m max would get him?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 29, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
Mings is getting a load of stick from Bournemouth fans for turning up back there in his full Villa kit, 'disrespectful' and that kind of thing, a few calling for him to be shipped out because he's not good enough.
Maybe there's a better chance of him coming now, a shrewd move from the big man.
Well Bournemouth thought he wasn't good enough and shipped him out to us and that's why he's in the kit. Perhaps they think they made a mistake.Anyway in the words of so many good men.. Fuck em.
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
I think the round, drivey, thingy is on the other side 😉Superbhaha...however not sure he should be driving his RR wearing sliders.
https://twitter.com/boudie83/status/1133390699582369796?s=12
What he lacks in diplomacy he makes up for in ability.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2019, 05:38:37 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
That is clearly bollocks.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2019, 05:54:37 PM
George Curtis, Chris Nicholl, Ken McNaught, Allan Evans, Martin Laursen ,Olaf Mellburg and God
Tyrone can be as loved as these greats - the pictures of him at Bournemouth Station are brilliant as Are his comments post match about the club and fans
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 05:58:36 PM
When did football supporters all become so thin skinned? Don't celebrate against your former club, don't make shh gestures in front of opposition fans, don't retweet gifs mocking a club that's lost 3-0, don't make bedsheets about Ant and Dec, don't hold fake funerals for relegated teams, don't celebrate a Messi free kick scored against Liverpool...
Isn't Football supposed to be yknow.. fun?
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 06:22:25 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 06:27:49 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
If he'd only played 22 games in four years for my club, I highly doubt I'd value him at £30 million plus.
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
If he'd only played 22 games in four years for my club, I highly doubt I'd value him at £30 million plus.
you don't think he's worth that then
fair enough
I think he's that good , I'm not bothered what games he's played or hasn't, I'm just judging him on the player he is now and the player I have seen since Christmas
if we can get him on the cheap all well and good but for me I still think he's a 30m player
Post by: Rudy65 on May 29, 2019, 06:38:04 PM
Mings is the main reason we got promoted.Well without being too critical it was partly his fault. When he started rolling on the ground it distracted other Villa players who were half expecting the Ref to stop play. If he had sat up like he did moments later it would not have been a distraction. But agree it was a great tackle.
His tackle that resulted in his injury in the playoff final was worthy of McGrath. The fact that it led to the goal was no fault of his.
Have you ever had acute cramp? It feels like someone has shot you. I have no issue with him rolling around in those circumstances - it's about all you are capable of until the muscles relax.
It bloody hurts when you get it in bed. I have to put my leg on a cold radiator. Not sure sure why thinking about it!
Post by: danno on May 29, 2019, 06:41:38 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
If he'd only played 22 games in four years for my club, I highly doubt I'd value him at £30 million plus.
you don't think he's worth that then
fair enough
I think he's that good , I'm not bothered what games he's played or hasn't, I'm just judging him on the player he is now and the player I have seen since Christmas
if we can get him on the cheap all well and good but for me I still think he's a 30m player
I'll be delighted if we sign him, but no at the present time I think if Bournemouth asked for say over £20 million I'd tell them to do one.
It's not my money though, so am not bothered if we overpay.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 29, 2019, 06:49:42 PM
A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
If he'd only played 22 games in four years for my club, I highly doubt I'd value him at £30 million plus.
Any deal should be based on appearances that could lead to 30 million
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
but if he was ours I’d definitely be wanting more than 20m for him,
in fact I wouldn’t want to sell him it would take ridiculous money to even think about it
Post by: chrisw1 on May 29, 2019, 08:54:46 PM
I disagree too. Howe is no mug and there's a reason he has hardly played for 3 years. He also has to be a massive injury risk. Look at it from Bournemouths perspective if you had offered them their money back at Christmas for a player who has played a handful of games they would have bitten your hands off. If they can get a bit more now before he gets injured again then surely it's happy days.A sports twitter feed suggesting a 25m fee agreed.
I’d be very surprised if we value him at that much
if he comes for anything less than 25m we will have got a bargain
personally i value him at 30m +
there just isn't a lot of centre halfs of his quality and composure about
think about it this way if he was our player how much would you think he was worth if someone wanted to buy him ?
If he'd only played 22 games in four years for my club, I highly doubt I'd value him at £30 million plus.
you don't think he's worth that then
fair enough
I think he's that good , I'm not bothered what games he's played or hasn't, I'm just judging him on the player he is now and the player I have seen since Christmas
if we can get him on the cheap all well and good but for me I still think he's a 30m player
In terms of his qualities I agree with you. I love him and he's been fantastic for us. But paying any more than £12-15m would be daft.
Post by: CT on May 29, 2019, 09:01:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 09:55:28 PM
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1133767436203941889?s=12
Post by: Ad@m on May 29, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
This is worth a quick watch.
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1133767436203941889?s=12
He clearly loves us!
The sooner he tells Eddie Howe to do one the better.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 29, 2019, 10:29:29 PM
He's brilliant but injury prone, all I'd say is I really hope we get him all the same.
Post by: OzVilla on May 29, 2019, 10:36:16 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2019, 10:41:40 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 29, 2019, 10:49:57 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2019, 10:52:29 PM
*I don't actually have a firstborn.
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2019, 10:55:57 PM
Post by: john e on May 29, 2019, 10:58:16 PM
I think some people on here need to take a reality check. The Premier League has moved on somewhat over the last 3 years. £20m is nothing for a top class defender. John Stones from Everton to Man Citeh for £50m I think? Virgil Van Dijk at £75m? The TV revenue has pushed up transfer fees and wages massively. Is Van Dijk 3 times better than Tyrone?
Tyrone did for us what Van Dijk did for Liverpool that’s for sure
Post by: frank on May 29, 2019, 11:20:13 PM
We once had similar reservations about signing an injury prone CB from Man Utd 30 years ago.I think he's been absolutely tremendous: he has McGrath's timing and reading of the game, he's a leader on the field and he's intelligent and articulate; a future Villa captain if Jack eventually goes As far as injuries are concerned, let's hope that he's got over them. McGrath was unique and it's hard to imagine Mings or anyone else carrying so many injuries and still performing brilliantly. Ron Vlaar, for example, didn't.
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2019, 11:29:15 PM
Post by: frank on May 29, 2019, 11:35:39 PM
Jack is going nowhere! !Obviously I don't want him to and I don't think he will in the short term. But perhaps, eventually, the Champions League will prove irresistible for him.
Post by: Ad@m on May 30, 2019, 07:17:26 AM
Jack is going nowhere! !Obviously I don't want him to and I don't think he will in the short term. But perhaps, eventually, the Champions League will prove irresistible for him.
You're not really explaining why he'll need to leave...
Post by: john e on May 30, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
Jack is going nowhere! !Obviously I don't want him to and I don't think he will in the short term. But perhaps, eventually, the Champions League will prove irresistible for him.
You're not really explaining why he'll need to leave...
a team playing Champions league football might be tempting that would be a decent reason whether we like to think of it or not
Post by: wince on May 30, 2019, 08:19:36 AM
Jack is going nowhere! !Obviously I don't want him to and I don't think he will in the short term. But perhaps, eventually, the Champions League will prove irresistible for him.
You're not really explaining why he'll need to leave...
a team playing Champions league football might be tempting that would be a decent reason whether we like to think of it or not
I don’t think so at the moment. Jack surely must be selected soon for international duty. As for mings being proven in premier league. Let’s give him that chance!
Post by: TheMalandro on May 30, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
Without this transfer, I have no doubt we’d still be in the Championship.
Cheers Bournemouth. Big mistake.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
Post by: thick_mike on May 30, 2019, 09:33:31 AM
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2019, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: john e on May 30, 2019, 10:19:42 AM
Fee rumoured to be £15m. I'd imagine even that will have a few clauses in. Bournemouth can't complain, they paid £8m and hardly played him.
In fairness I think he was injured for a long period
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
Most of the really popular (non local) players of recentish times (Mellberg, Laursen, Carew etc) have taken a while to achieve 'legendary' status. Tyrone has done it in a few weeks. Have seen lots of comments from fans of other clubs stating how much we're overstating how good he is. Boy, are they in for a surprise.
Well now, we will have to wait and see, but the evidence sure is that he's way too good for, as it were, 16th-26th in the Premier league.
Post by: Billy Walker on May 30, 2019, 11:29:04 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2019, 11:32:25 AM
That's the point really John. He's managed to stay fit for 4 months and has been quite superb at Championship level. We all love him for obvious reasons. But signing him will be a gamble and under the circumstances £10-£15m should really suffice.Fee rumoured to be £15m. I'd imagine even that will have a few clauses in. Bournemouth can't complain, they paid £8m and hardly played him.
In fairness I think he was injured for a long period
Post by: Zouch Villa on May 30, 2019, 11:43:39 AM
I’m convinced Smith and Purslow will ensure we don’t overpay, but will also be very aware how crucial Mings has been to our turnaround both on and off the pitch.That's the point really John. He's managed to stay fit for 4 months and has been quite superb at Championship level. We all love him for obvious reasons. But signing him will be a gamble and under the circumstances £10-£15m should really suffice.Fee rumoured to be £15m. I'd imagine even that will have a few clauses in. Bournemouth can't complain, they paid £8m and hardly played him.
In fairness I think he was injured for a long period
The man has very quickly become a fans favourite because of his performances, but just as crucially the way he has shown his belief and passion for the club.
If we fail to sign him because we quibble over an extra few million, there would be uproar.
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
I think some people on here need to take a reality check. The Premier League has moved on somewhat over the last 3 years. £20m is nothing for a top class defender. John Stones from Everton to Man Citeh for £50m I think? Virgil Van Dijk at £75m? The TV revenue has pushed up transfer fees and wages massively. Is Van Dijk 3 times better than Tyrone?You mean the player who is mostly credited with winning 97 points for Liverpool and takes the field in a Champions League final on Saturday? Yes I would say he is.
Post by: danno on May 30, 2019, 12:00:30 PM
I think some people on here need to take a reality check. The Premier League has moved on somewhat over the last 3 years. £20m is nothing for a top class defender. John Stones from Everton to Man Citeh for £50m I think? Virgil Van Dijk at £75m? The TV revenue has pushed up transfer fees and wages massively. Is Van Dijk 3 times better than Tyrone?You mean the player who is mostly credited with winning 97 points for Liverpool and takes the field in a Champions League final on Saturday? Yes I would say he is.
A more fair comparison would have been what Southampton paid for him. £13 million after full two seasons with Celtic and playing in Europe. Love the emperor but he has only played 15 games or so.
Prize shithouse Pontus Jansson was in the championship team of the year, I'd be interested to see what he's valued at.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2019, 12:18:56 PM
Fee rumoured to be £15m. I'd imagine even that will have a few clauses in. Bournemouth can't complain, they paid £8m and hardly played him.
In fairness I think he was injured for a long period
Sure but they still had no intention of playing him thus his loan to Villa.
Quote
Sky Sports News understands Eddie Howe is prepared to let him leave Bournemouth for the right price and Mings prefers a move to Villa.
However, they could face competition for his signature with the 26-year-old's form last season having got the attention of a number of other Premier League clubs.
Good luck to the other clubs when it's obvious Mings only wants to join one club.
Post by: mr underhill on May 30, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
I hope he does but we can't get into a £25m matching clause situation for a guy who hasn't played very much in four years - great as he was for us. I'm sure our recruitment team has other options. Mings at £15m yes, anything more, it's a reluctant no from me.
Just wait for Birmingham City to table a £100m offer thinking we'll have to match it. Ain't gonna happen. The deal will be £10-£12m with add-ons.
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2019, 12:53:13 PM
I hope he does but we can't get into a £25m matching clause situation for a guy who hasn't played very much in four years - great as he was for us. I'm sure our recruitment team has other options. Mings at £15m yes, anything more, it's a reluctant no from me.
Just wait for Birmingham City to table a £100m offer thinking we'll have to match it. Ain't gonna happen. The deal will be £10-£12m with add-ons.
That's perfectly fair. I won't begrudge paying them a bit more when he's captaining England and we're in the Champions League.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2019, 02:34:27 PM
What's going to be interesting is how he reacts to playing in the much faster PL and how we react when it's not some forward from Leeds or Swansea come at him; but Salah or Aguero or Kane.
Or to put it another way, what will be interesting is how Salah, Aguero and Kane react when it's not Scott Dann they've got to get past, but Tyrone Motherfuckin' Emperor Mings!
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2019, 06:11:43 PM
What's going to be interesting is how he reacts to playing in the much faster PL and how we react when it's not some forward from Leeds or Swansea come at him; but Salah or Aguero or Kane.
Or to put it another way, what will be interesting is how Salah, Aguero and Kane react when it's not Scott Dann they've got to get past, but Tyrone Motherfuckin' Emperor Mings!
Damn straight!
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2019, 06:13:30 PM
He's better than than flappy footed Keane from Everton for a start.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2019, 08:19:17 PM
And another thing, if he does join he'll be in the England squad by the end of the season.
He's better than than flappy footed Keane from Everton for a start.
Absolutely right. Left sided too. Jack will join him.
Post by: Ad@m on May 30, 2019, 08:33:19 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on May 30, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 30, 2019, 09:59:56 PM
Post by: andyh on May 30, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
Thats ok if one of them is we pay Bournemouth an additional £15m if Mings scores the winner in the champions league final for us before 2021. Then it’ll be worth it.
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2019, 10:50:31 PM
Mings has pace. That is what will give him the edge.
Pace, strength, passing and brilliant timing.
Post by: dave shelley on May 31, 2019, 09:58:58 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2019, 10:41:29 AM
Mings has pace. That is what will give him the edge.
Pace, strength, passing and brilliant timing.
His distribution is amongst the best I've seen in a centre half - pretty much always finds a man ball to feet, and not just simple five yard balls either.
If he has a weakness it is one that we collectively have at the back which is the occasional tendency to take unnecessary risks while passing at around in our own area.
Post by: fbriai on May 31, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
Handy to know . Dad whispers to son who whispers to Dean smith for some talent for the club.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2019, 03:24:22 PM
I haven't seen a photo of him in full Villa kit for the last 3 days.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2019, 03:24:47 PM
As much as i've loved Mings this season, it's been at Championship level. I have zero idea how he'll perform in the top league against far better players and neither does anyone else. Talk of 20m+ is fucking crazy. 12m plus a bunch of add ons would be ample for an unproven player with previous injury problems. He's not 'top drawer' until he's done it at the top lvel obviously. I still remember the problems Gayle caused him.
Saying that, i honestly feel Axel will go on to be the better of the two so i'd be busting United's balls to try and get that done if at all possible. Highly unlikely i know. But a similar price with add ons would be a magnificent deal.
Post by: in exile on May 31, 2019, 03:31:27 PM
His father works as a scout for Chelsea.
Handy to know . Dad whispers to son who whispers to Dean smith for some talent for the club.
I thought Tyrone was raised in a homeless shelter while living with his mother there, so he may not be close to him
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2019, 04:10:09 PM
He has a lot to prove but it would be good to get him and Axel in permanently
If he has a lot to prove then the same can be said for every single player on our books.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2019, 09:09:36 PM
He has a lot to prove but it would be good to get him and Axel in permanently
If he has a lot to prove then the same can be said for every single player on our books.
Indeed it can. And therefore we need to be circumspect on players we add and remove from them at the cost. Especially after a dozen years when we were anything but.
I am a fan of Mings - I wouldn't spend 20m on a 26 year old who has played less than 100 games. Well I would if his name was Paul McGrath
Post by: The_ads on May 31, 2019, 09:23:19 PM
He has a lot to prove but it would be good to get him and Axel in permanently
If he has a lot to prove then the same can be said for every single player on our books.
Indeed it can. And therefore we need to be circumspect on players we add and remove from them at the cost. Especially after a dozen years when we were anything but.
I am a fan of Mings - I wouldn't spend 20m on a 26 year old who has played less than 100 games. Well I would if his name was Paul McGrath
Who was 30 when we signed him and had only played 160 odd not to mention slightly iffy knees and a dubious drinking record.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
He has a lot to prove but it would be good to get him and Axel in permanently
If he has a lot to prove then the same can be said for every single player on our books.
Indeed it can. And therefore we need to be circumspect on players we add and remove from them at the cost. Especially after a dozen years when we were anything but.
I am a fan of Mings - I wouldn't spend 20m on a 26 year old who has played less than 100 games. Well I would if his name was Paul McGrath
Who was 30 when we signed him and had only played 160 odd not to mention slightly iffy knees and a dubious drinking record.
Indeed if his name was Paul McGrath - only 29 when we signed him
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
Apologies if I missed it before.
Since I have your attention, did it get reported what his injury was, I thought I saw some discussion of cramp but often that’s stretched out/run off? .
(https://i.ibb.co/nR2dWwV/DE224476-FB73-4060-BFB4-13253-AA8-E999.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nR2dWwV)
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
Though in following tweet, having just found the whole thread
https://twitter.com/rramesss/status/1132945551513726976?s=21
“Mings' outlier nature in the previous graphic can be qualified from his deeper position.”
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 01, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
He has a lot to prove but it would be good to get him and Axel in permanently
If he has a lot to prove then the same can be said for every single player on our books.
Indeed it can. And therefore we need to be circumspect on players we add and remove from them at the cost. Especially after a dozen years when we were anything but.
I am a fan of Mings - I wouldn't spend 20m on a 26 year old who has played less than 100 games. Well I would if his name was Paul McGrath
Who was 30 when we signed him and had only played 160 odd not to mention slightly iffy knees and a dubious drinking record.
.. and who wasn't being touted around as a 20m player
Post by: Matt Collins on June 01, 2019, 11:24:52 AM
Dan Bardwell on villa view says he's heard its essentially a done deal
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2019, 04:51:54 PM
Evidentially awesome. This is quite some chart, out there on his own to the point that in statistical analysis he’d be dismissed as an outlier...Interesting, if a little difficult to read. Maybe some slightly to the right of Mings ought to be scouted as potential incoming CB for us?Can you supply a link to the original?
Post by: purpletrousers on June 02, 2019, 10:07:16 AM
Evidentially awesome. This is quite some chart, out there on his own to the point that in statistical analysis he’d be dismissed as an outlier...Interesting, if a little difficult to read. Maybe some slightly to the right of Mings ought to be scouted as potential incoming CB for us?Can you supply a link to the original?
It’s the twitter link in the post below, there is a whole thread of these type of charts apparently made by him.
Post by: colin69 on June 02, 2019, 01:36:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on June 05, 2019, 07:58:35 PM
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2019, 08:08:14 PM
Read over the shoulder of someone that we’d agreed a fee of £14m. Couldn’t make out what the site was. No news on that?
A Ming vase has been sold today for £14m.
Post by: mike on June 06, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
Post by: Villafirst on June 06, 2019, 11:02:39 PM
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
Post by: TheMalandro on June 07, 2019, 09:49:50 AM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
You're assuming he's taken it off!
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 07, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
He is on holiday though. His instagram stories confirm as much.
Many players are. In terms of contracts being signed and photo confirmation etc., we're going to have to wait on anyone who played for us in the final (Mings / Hause / El Ghazi) because they haven't had the break that other teams have had.
I want him in ASAP but we'll hear nothing in the next few days I'd have thought. Maybe end of next week.
Post by: mike on June 07, 2019, 10:12:49 AM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
He is on holiday though. His instagram stories confirm as much.
Many players are. In terms of contracts being signed and photo confirmation etc., we're going to have to wait on anyone who played for us in the final (Mings / Hause / El Ghazi) because they haven't had the break that other teams have had.
I want him in ASAP but we'll hear nothing in the next few days I'd have thought. Maybe end of next week.
Well fuck him then. If he can't be bothered dragging himself off whatever idyllic beach he's lying on, leaving his family and flying back to a rainy Birmingham to sign a contract and have his photo taken he obviously isn't as committed as we thought he was.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2019, 10:54:02 AM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
He is on holiday though. His instagram stories confirm as much.
Many players are. In terms of contracts being signed and photo confirmation etc., we're going to have to wait on anyone who played for us in the final (Mings / Hause / El Ghazi) because they haven't had the break that other teams have had.
I want him in ASAP but we'll hear nothing in the next few days I'd have thought. Maybe end of next week.
Well fuck him then. If he can't be bothered dragging himself off whatever idyllic beach he's lying on, leaving his family and flying back to a rainy Birmingham to sign a contract and have his photo taken he obviously isn't as committed as we thought he was.
The shit-haired douchebag.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 07, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
You're assuming he's taken it off!
It’s probably walked off on it’s own accord. Polyester with sweat tends to hum a bit after a few hours let alone 2 weeks.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2019, 03:05:25 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2019, 04:32:02 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 07, 2019, 04:45:55 PM
The only doubt he may have is how he will remain involved in his Bournemouth based, interior design company he owns with an old school friend.Skype, fast cars lot's of resources available to a rich lad!
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2019, 05:30:11 PM
Post by: mike on June 07, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
According to Dan Bardell from the Villaview, Mings is currently away on holiday so him signing for Villa is probably 2/3 weeks away....
Apparently the offer is on the table for him to decide.
He'll be stretching the shirt today, if the offers on the table.
You're assuming he's taken it off!
It’s probably walked off on it’s own accord. Polyester with sweat tends to hum a bit after a few hours let alone 2 weeks.
He gave it to a girl not far from me after the match. I would've mugged her but her mom and dad were both about the same size as Tyrone.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 07, 2019, 09:58:05 PM
Post by: mike on June 07, 2019, 10:00:47 PM
His partner isn't keen on moving from Bournemouth to Brum ( apparently)
Well she's going to have to move from Bournemouth whether she likes it or not.
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 07, 2019, 10:24:33 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 07, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
His partner isn't keen on moving from Bournemouth to Brum ( apparently)
That's alright. We don't need her to, just Tyrone.
Post by: adrenachrome on June 08, 2019, 02:12:03 AM
His partner isn't keen on moving from Bournemouth to Brum ( apparently)
That's alright. We don't need her to, just Tyrone.
I take your point, but look what happened with Unsworth and Holland.
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2019, 08:02:05 AM
Post by: Villafirst on June 08, 2019, 08:18:56 AM
Post by: brian green on June 08, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 08, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
His partner isn't keen on moving from Bournemouth to Brum ( apparently)
Having seen her if she wanted me to stay then I would stay.
Absolutely gorgeous
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 08, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
His partner isn't keen on moving from Bournemouth to Brum ( apparently)
Northfield is lovely this time of year.
Post by: brian green on June 08, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
Post by: mike on June 08, 2019, 09:19:32 AM
Northfield has some lovely pubs run by some very nice people. Well Rednal does.
Is it a while since you visited, Brian...
Post by: nigel on June 08, 2019, 11:45:03 AM
If you close your eyes to the odd shooting and stabbing, it's not that bad.
The Stone's not a bad pub and there are a couple of decent curry restaurants, too.
Short train ride to Stirchley for some decent beer (The Oak, Wildcat, Birmingham brewery tap house) and curry.
Post by: Damo70 on June 08, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 08, 2019, 11:54:44 AM
Post by: nigel on June 08, 2019, 04:06:42 PM
The Dukes was a particular favourite of mine. Especially on open weapons nights.
Ahh, The Dukes..
Me and a mate went there in the early 80's. Walked in and it seemed like everyone was eyeing the two strangers!
We did a quick walk in, turned round and came out. Scared us both shitless!
Opened again recently as Mallory's (?) and closed again after a knife attack
Post by: clash city rocker on June 08, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 08, 2019, 05:08:28 PM
When he's back from hols, I'm certain he'll be signed.
Post by: Mellin on June 08, 2019, 05:15:08 PM
The Dukes was a particular favourite of mine. Especially on open weapons nights.
Ahh, The Dukes..
Me and a mate went there in the early 80's. Walked in and it seemed like everyone was eyeing the two strangers!
We did a quick walk in, turned round and came out. Scared us both shitless!
Opened again recently as Mallory's (?) and closed again after a knife attack
Medley's. Went once, never returned.
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 08, 2019, 06:30:06 PM
Northfield has some lovely pubs run by some very nice people. Well Rednal does.
The one I used to drink in wasn't.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 08, 2019, 07:46:14 PM
I have lived in Rubery, Bournville and Weoley Castle
Can't think of decent watering holes back then other than The Black Horse and The Stone
Used to drink in the King George V
Having left Brum 23 years ago I bet they are all demolished or turned into Chinese/Indian restaurants
Post by: Chris Smith on June 08, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
Struggling to think of a decent boozer in Rednal - The Chalet used to be half decent I suppose
I have lived in Rubery, Bournville and Weoley Castle
Can't think of decent watering holes back then other than The Black Horse and The Stone
Used to drink in the King George V
Having left Brum 23 years ago I bet they are all demolished or turned into Chinese/Indian restaurants
Hare and Hounds used to be ok back in the day but as a place to meet mates mid week rather than a night out but haven’t been there in years. Black Horse is a Wetherspoons, The George was a Chinese but about to become a KFC apparently. Can’t think of a decent pub left in the whole area.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on June 08, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 08, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
Where was the Hare and Hounds?Struggling to think of a decent boozer in Rednal - The Chalet used to be half decent I suppose
I have lived in Rubery, Bournville and Weoley Castle
Can't think of decent watering holes back then other than The Black Horse and The Stone
Used to drink in the King George V
Having left Brum 23 years ago I bet they are all demolished or turned into Chinese/Indian restaurants
Hare and Hounds used to be ok back in the day but as a place to meet mates mid week rather than a night out but haven’t been there in years. Black Horse is a Wetherspoons, The George was a Chinese but about to become a KFC apparently. Can’t think of a decent pub left in the whole area.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 08, 2019, 08:18:01 PM
Where was the Hare and Hounds?Yes, Kings Heath high street. Better known as a music venue these days. That was where we used to drink at lunchtime in the sixth form.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
Post by: Risso on June 08, 2019, 08:23:32 PM
If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on June 08, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
The OVT brings back memories too.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 08, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
When I lived in Bournville I used to drink at The Country GirlIf she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Post by: charleeco7 on June 08, 2019, 09:17:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 09:18:40 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 08, 2019, 09:22:20 PM
If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Ahhh, the OVT, scene of one of my favourite wedding reception rumbles. Mother of the groom punched the DJ. Top night.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 08, 2019, 09:39:57 PM
That made me chuckle - I think I can probably trump that ..... went to a wedding in Chelmsley Wood and the Groom was caught shagging one of the bridesmaids in one of the bedrooms in the hotel where the reception was being held - classy eh?If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Ahhh, the OVT, scene of one of my favourite wedding reception rumbles. Mother of the groom punched the DJ. Top night.
Post by: KRS on June 08, 2019, 10:20:45 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 09, 2019, 07:41:56 AM
Post by: brian green on June 09, 2019, 08:13:21 AM
Get Tyrone signed. On the Nederlands game evidence he will be in the England squad within a year.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 09, 2019, 08:55:17 AM
One up a ship alert.That made me chuckle - I think I can probably trump that ..... went to a wedding in Chelmsley Wood and the Groom was caught shagging one of the bridesmaids in one of the bedrooms in the hotel where the reception was being held - classy eh?If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Ahhh, the OVT, scene of one of my favourite wedding reception rumbles. Mother of the groom punched the DJ. Top night.
A mate of mine banged the Bride on her wedding day.
Post by: mike on June 09, 2019, 09:10:49 AM
Where was the Hare and Hounds?Yes, Kings Heath high street. Better known as a music venue these days. That was where we used to drink at lunchtime in the sixth form.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
What year was that? I fondly remember a couple of lunchtime pints at the Hare and Hounds.
Post by: Chris Smith on June 09, 2019, 09:39:40 AM
Where was the Hare and Hounds?Struggling to think of a decent boozer in Rednal - The Chalet used to be half decent I suppose
I have lived in Rubery, Bournville and Weoley Castle
Can't think of decent watering holes back then other than The Black Horse and The Stone
Used to drink in the King George V
Having left Brum 23 years ago I bet they are all demolished or turned into Chinese/Indian restaurants
Hare and Hounds used to be ok back in the day but as a place to meet mates mid week rather than a night out but haven’t been there in years. Black Horse is a Wetherspoons, The George was a Chinese but about to become a KFC apparently. Can’t think of a decent pub left in the whole area.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
It’s on Lickey Road by the amusements, opposite the old tram stop.
Post by: mike on June 09, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Where was the Hare and Hounds?Struggling to think of a decent boozer in Rednal - The Chalet used to be half decent I suppose
I have lived in Rubery, Bournville and Weoley Castle
Can't think of decent watering holes back then other than The Black Horse and The Stone
Used to drink in the King George V
Having left Brum 23 years ago I bet they are all demolished or turned into Chinese/Indian restaurants
Hare and Hounds used to be ok back in the day but as a place to meet mates mid week rather than a night out but haven’t been there in years. Black Horse is a Wetherspoons, The George was a Chinese but about to become a KFC apparently. Can’t think of a decent pub left in the whole area.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
It’s on Lickey Road by the amusements, opposite the old tram stop.
I worked there many years ago. The one in Kings Heath is where I had my lunchtime drinks in the sixth form.
Considering everyone in South Birmingham is supposedly a nose, there seem to a few of us who know the area quite well.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 11:29:31 AM
88-90Where was the Hare and Hounds?Yes, Kings Heath high street. Better known as a music venue these days. That was where we used to drink at lunchtime in the sixth form.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
What year was that? I fondly remember a couple of lunchtime pints at the Hare and Hounds.
Post by: mike on June 09, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
88-90Where was the Hare and Hounds?Yes, Kings Heath high street. Better known as a music venue these days. That was where we used to drink at lunchtime in the sixth form.
Didn't there used to be one in Kings Heath?
I knew it as "The Hairy Mound"
What year was that? I fondly remember a couple of lunchtime pints at the Hare and Hounds.
Ah, you went up to the sixth form the year I left.
Post by: Villafirst on June 09, 2019, 02:16:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2019, 07:54:34 PM
That made me chuckle - I think I can probably trump that ..... went to a wedding in Chelmsley Wood and the Groom was caught shagging one of the bridesmaids in one of the bedrooms in the hotel where the reception was being held - classy eh?If she wanted value for money how about selly oak. Used to love the Dog and Partridge...Now that was a pub.
Not been the same since the Gun Barrels was demolished. Although to be fair I haven't been in since 1986. When I was 16, and it was round the corner from school. Always got served so long as we took our blazers and ties off. Back room full of "youths" all in identical black trousers and blue open neck shirts with a big pile of Adidas bags by the door !!
The Gun Barrels was the pub my dad would take me to for Sunday lunch when he came up to visit me occasionally at Birmingham University. The Brook and the OVT were the big student drinking places in Selly Oak back then.
Ahhh, the OVT, scene of one of my favourite wedding reception rumbles. Mother of the groom punched the DJ. Top night.
It wasn't Lee Hendrie, was it?
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2019, 11:26:27 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 10, 2019, 02:37:23 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 10, 2019, 02:47:26 PM
Just looked out of the window and yes it's raining.
not here !!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 03:32:21 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on June 10, 2019, 03:37:50 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 10, 2019, 03:41:59 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 10, 2019, 04:12:37 PM
Partially cloudy with a chance of Mings here in Dublin.
it is minging ??
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2019, 04:12:45 PM
Post by: Chap on June 10, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 10, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
Post by: Rodders on June 10, 2019, 08:13:46 PM
(sorry)
Post by: purpletrousers on June 10, 2019, 08:22:08 PM
Post by: brian green on June 10, 2019, 09:46:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 09:47:54 PM
In the land of the Carrot Crunchers (copyright K Dodd) it be wet.
Oi hent sin owld foire ball for daays.
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2019, 09:48:29 PM
A sunny 14 in Moffat, Dumfriesshire and all I can think about is that when the TyMings right it will all come to pass.
(sorry)
Nice waterfall!
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
Post by: mike on June 10, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 10:46:24 AM
Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 11, 2019, 11:00:54 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 11:12:31 AM
Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
Post by: mike on June 11, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
Can we stop with the f*cking weather updates now please....I keep thinking there's news when this goes back to the top of the list!!!
Quite agree, can we get back to pubs in South Birmingham. The Prince of Wales in Moseley was good (going back 40 years).
Post by: Dr Butler on June 11, 2019, 11:23:58 AM
UTV
The Doc
Post by: robbo1874 on June 11, 2019, 11:37:36 AM
Can we stop with the f*cking weather updates now please....I keep thinking there's news when this goes back to the top of the list!!!sorry Duncan- a brisk 23 deg winter’s day in Bris-Vegas today
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2019, 11:38:18 AM
Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
An an appreciation for the best pun on the thread to date.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 11:45:46 AM
Ty’s Mrs doesn’t want to leave south coast. Now the above in for him.😢
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 11, 2019, 11:47:10 AM
Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
An an appreciation for the best pun on the thread to date.
How does this turn into a row? :-\
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2019, 11:55:27 AM
Don’t you start.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
An an appreciation for the best pun on the thread to date.
How does this turn into a row? :-\
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 12:12:03 PM
Brighton and hove fucking Albion.
Ty’s Mrs doesn’t want to leave south coast. Now the above in for him.😢
Where are you getting this from?
Post by: kieron on June 11, 2019, 12:39:49 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 11, 2019, 12:44:38 PM
(Runs from PC police...)
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
As they say: happy wife, happy life!
(Runs from PC police...)
Or...£60K a year, wife needn't shed a tear.
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
Post by: AV82EC on June 11, 2019, 01:34:14 PM
Doesn't Terry commute from southern climes too? Mings could manage that.
Have you seen the A34....
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: Des Little on June 11, 2019, 02:01:20 PM
As they say: happy wife, happy life!
(Runs from PC police...)
Or...£60K a year, wife needn't shed a tear.
She would if he settled for £60k a year
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 11, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Then he needs to leave her immediately. It's quite simple.
This !!! I’m sure he’d pull easily on Broad St on a Saturday night. Definitely in Bushwackers 😂
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Also, I think they have a couple of rottweilers, which must take some looking after. [/eastie]
They’ve just had a baby (actual baby, not puppy)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
- His mrs has been an issue in the deal so far as doesn’t want to move from south coast
- They’ve got a family together
- Brighton have come in for him (don’t know if they’ve had a bid accepted or not)
It’s now down to Ty to decide
Post by: aj2k77 on June 11, 2019, 03:14:30 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 11, 2019, 03:39:33 PM
All I know (can’t say how) is;
- His mrs has been an issue in the deal so far as doesn’t want to move from south coast
- They’ve got a family together
- Brighton have come in for him (don’t know if they’ve had a bid accepted or not)
It’s now down to Ty to decide
Not doubting you mate, sounds a bit worrying.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 03:41:33 PM
Post by: kieron on June 11, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 03:45:24 PM
Except offer him a big, fat contract with lots of money. If he doesn't want the Villa that badly then so be it.
I'm sure he'll be 'announced' soon.
Post by: KRS on June 11, 2019, 03:52:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2019, 03:54:25 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 03:55:56 PM
He’s on holiday. He will be a Villa player within a couple of weeks.
He's back home now.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 04:00:25 PM
Post by: Stu82 on June 11, 2019, 04:09:06 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 04:15:39 PM
The thing about south coast seems odd as Brighton is about 2 hours away, Birmingham 3 hours.
They don’t want him to move, where as we do
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2019, 04:21:57 PM
He must have had an inkling of the way his missus was thinking when it became clear that Villa could possibly gain promotion and that there could almost certainly be a bid from us for him. He certainly gave us the impression that he was in favour of the move. I have no idea what his decision will be. I'm beginning to doubt it now.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 11, 2019, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 04:27:13 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.My lovely wife and two great kids do.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 04:28:34 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.My lovely wife and two great kids do.
Awh. Something about this post really warmed the heart. Sorry, carry on. Football n'all.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 11, 2019, 04:30:48 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.
Didn't 'Arry used to do it when he was bankrupting Blues? wouldn't fancy it myself though, far too stressful - maybe that's why Redknapp had a face like a burst space hopper all the time
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2019, 04:31:52 PM
It’s not over but explains why it’s not been done and dusted quicker. Hope to god he puts football over the personal side on this one 🙏🏻
Vinnie, do you know if his 'missus' is the same young lady as his business partner?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 11, 2019, 04:32:18 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis. If his Mrs loves Sandbanks then there's not much Knowle or Solihull can offer to compete with that. But I'd hope any partner would bite the bullet for a few years for the sake of a top class PL career move.
or you compromise he has a gaff in brum and stays there a few times a week and then commute the rest ?
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 04:37:12 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2019, 04:37:27 PM
Not an easy commute, over 3 hours each way or 6 to 7 hours in a car.You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis. If his Mrs loves Sandbanks then there's not much Knowle or Solihull can offer to compete with that. But I'd hope any partner would bite the bullet for a few years for the sake of a top class PL career move.
or you compromise he has a gaff in brum and stays there a few times a week and then commute the rest ?
You can make a case for going home after each match and returning for training Tuesday or Wednesday.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.My lovely wife and two great kids do.
Awh. Something about this post really warmed the heart. Sorry, carry on. Football n'all.
I would not like anyone to have the false impression that I have a wife or children. Mrs SE and I live over the brush and we're thinking of getting a dog. No children were created during this broadcast.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2019, 04:40:59 PM
:o :-[You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.My lovely wife and two great kids do.
Awh. Something about this post really warmed the heart. Sorry, carry on. Football n'all.
I would not like anyone to have the false impression that I have a wife or children. Mrs SE and I live over the brush and we're thinking of getting a dog. No children were created during this broadcast.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
It’s not over but explains why it’s not been done and dusted quicker. Hope to god he puts football over the personal side on this one 🙏🏻
Vinnie, do you know if his 'missus' is the same young lady as his business partner?
No mate, he runs his business with a friend from school
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
You cant realistically commute from Bournemouth to B'ham on a daily basis.My lovely wife and two great kids do.
Awh. Something about this post really warmed the heart. Sorry, carry on. Football n'all.
I would not like anyone to have the false impression that I have a wife or children. Mrs SE and I live over the brush and we're thinking of getting a dog. No children were created during this broadcast.
Er. Right so.
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2019, 05:18:12 PM
I don’t think Ming’s is that stupid.
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2019, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2019, 05:24:43 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 05:36:36 PM
He's got the chance to spend the best years of his career at a truly big club, and cement the already brilliant relationship he has with the fans. His child is still a baby as well, so not like they're settled at school or anything. He'll sign permanently very soon, no doubt about it.🙏🏻
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 11, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
It’s not over but explains why it’s not been done and dusted quicker. Hope to god he puts football over the personal side on this one 🙏🏻
Vinnie, do you know if his 'missus' is the same young lady as his business partner?
No mate, he runs his business with a friend from school
Great. I knew about his school friend and from what I've read she's doing great business down there. Much easier to bring his good lady up to Brum.
Post by: Gareth on June 11, 2019, 05:45:18 PM
If I were Bournemouth I’d be hoping for the highest fee & would be an added bonus if it was a top 10 Premier league side as they will see us (& Brighton) as direct competitors next season.
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 11, 2019, 05:46:42 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2019, 06:00:25 PM
If Tyrone chooses Brighton over us, whatever the reason, he's not the man we thought he was and isn't for us.
If he did that for his family then he's exactly the man I thought he was and he'd have my best wishes.
Post by: Hinckley Dave on June 11, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
If Tyrone chooses Brighton over us, whatever the reason, he's not the man we thought he was and isn't for us.
If he did that for his family then he's exactly the man I thought he was and he'd have my best wishes.
Completely agree with that. If he chooses his family's happiness over a few more quid he'd probably get from us then fair play to the chap.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 11, 2019, 06:06:56 PM
If Tyrone chooses Brighton over us, whatever the reason, he's not the man we thought he was and isn't for us.
If he did that for his family then he's exactly the man I thought he was and he'd have my best wishes.
This
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 06:07:08 PM
Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 06:08:50 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
Is that you Jon?
Apologies if you took offence. I was hoping you knew me well enough by now that it was meant as light hearted whimsy, couched as chronic indignation.
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 06:13:08 PM
No worries. As we were.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
I did think it a bit odd to be getting a fuck off. I apologise too. Lots of manly hugs all round. It's what Tyrone would do.Is that you Jon?
Apologies if you took offence. I was hoping you knew me well enough by now that it was meant as light hearted whimsy, couched as chronic indignation.
Post by: four fornicholl on June 11, 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
No worries. As we were.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
You absolute ******.
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2019, 07:14:11 PM
Move the seaside to Bromford. Simple.What has seaside done wrong?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 07:21:23 PM
No worries. As we were.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
You absolute c***s.
You still owe me a blow job after Wembley. I bought the offer off Risso for a pint of white beer.
Post by: clash city rocker on June 11, 2019, 07:21:42 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 07:33:42 PM
No worries. As we were.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
You absolute c***s.
You still owe me a blow job after Wembley. I bought the offer off Risso for a pint of white beer.
Did you buy the teeth out or teeth in package?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 07:54:25 PM
No worries. As we were.Charming! You could get some fucking manners or a sense of self-deprecation.Shit in Birmingham and the Black Country today. Wind and pussing down.Just raining cats, no dogs?
I wont correct my auto correct on general principle. You could fuck off though.....
That went down well. It was supposed to be a gag!
You absolute c***s.
You still owe me a blow job after Wembley. I bought the offer off Risso for a pint of white beer.
Did you buy the teeth out or teeth in package?
The "mine are shit, can I have yours" package.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2019, 08:14:52 PM
Quote
The "mine are shit, can I have yours" package.
[/quote]
I'm not doing anal. Not this time.
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 11, 2019, 08:48:14 PM
Is that you Jon?
Don’t drag me into this you pair of massive fannies.
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
Bloody small minded folk. This is England, only the accents change and the tap water.
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 11, 2019, 09:08:29 PM
Post by: Chap on June 11, 2019, 09:10:37 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2019, 09:12:15 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2019, 09:36:37 PM
Is that you Jon?
Don’t drag me into this you pair of massive fannies.
I thought he meant Mr Blackwel, him wot woz married to Can I Play Daddy.
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2019, 10:56:04 PM
Is that you Jon?
Don’t drag me into this you pair of massive fannies.
I thought he meant Mr Blackwel, him wot woz married to Can I Play Daddy.
Who were also very obviously, one and the same person.
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 12, 2019, 05:16:22 AM
Post by: brian green on June 12, 2019, 07:27:29 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 12, 2019, 08:48:21 AM
Is that you Jon?
Don’t drag me into this you pair of massive fannies.
I thought he meant Mr Blackwel, him wot woz married to Can I Play Daddy.
Who were also very obviously, one and the same person.
Obviously. He was attempting to break the fixed quota of H&V female posters in the most scurrilous way.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2019, 08:49:53 AM
Perhaps as part of his contract we could throw in the freehold of Brean Sands. Re name it Sandbanks West. Dippy Sandra is very happy at Sandbanks South.
Pontins would be open to an offer!
Post by: darren woolley on June 14, 2019, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2019, 11:37:10 AM
1) Tyrone Mings to sign
2) Tyrone Mings to sign
3) Tyrone Mings to sign
4) Tyrone Mings to sign
5) Tickets to be available again
Post by: spartacuss on June 14, 2019, 12:48:12 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on June 14, 2019, 01:12:35 PM
That all makes sense but I really hope it’s bollocks
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
Post by: Damo70 on June 14, 2019, 02:33:37 PM
Perhaps as part of his contract we could throw in the freehold of Brean Sands. Re name it Sandbanks West. Dippy Sandra is very happy at Sandbanks South.
Pontins would be open to an offer!
We took the kids to Pontins at Brean Sands for a week around 2002. Opposite there was a little row of shops with a cafe. We went there every morning and every day my wife ordered the mega breakfast and I had a lovely chicken madras. Yes, chicken madras for breakfast every day for a week.
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 14, 2019, 02:35:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
Mings has looked very happy with us for the last six months in which time he must have had some sort of arrangement with his partner. What's he going to do when after a couple of seasons playing with us, he's become the national team's number one centre half at the European Championships and Real Madrid come calling?
Hopefully he'll be contemplating whether the step down is worth the extra wages on offer.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 14, 2019, 02:44:38 PM
Perhaps as part of his contract we could throw in the freehold of Brean Sands. Re name it Sandbanks West. Dippy Sandra is very happy at Sandbanks South.
Pontins would be open to an offer!
We took the kids to Pontins at Brean Sands for a week around 2002. Opposite there was a little row of shops with a cafe. We went there every morning and every day my wife ordered the mega breakfast and I had a lovely chicken madras. Yes, chicken madras for breakfast every day for a week.
Quick Bites. It is still there.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 14, 2019, 02:45:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
That's living the dream my friend.Perhaps as part of his contract we could throw in the freehold of Brean Sands. Re name it Sandbanks West. Dippy Sandra is very happy at Sandbanks South.
Pontins would be open to an offer!
We took the kids to Pontins at Brean Sands for a week around 2002. Opposite there was a little row of shops with a cafe. We went there every morning and every day my wife ordered the mega breakfast and I had a lovely chicken madras. Yes, chicken madras for breakfast every day for a week.
Post by: jwarry on June 14, 2019, 03:25:22 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 14, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
Don’t usually post stuff like this but I thought you should all know. A mate of mine works down the road in Henley on Thames and believe it or not Tyrone’s mum runs a cafe next door. She told him he’s definitely signing for Villa as he loves it there! 😁Well that's a better post. The last one I read on this thread Dazvillain left me doubting. Come on Tyrone, sign the dotted line and stretch that shirt again....Unless you're still in it.
Post by: mike on June 14, 2019, 04:17:28 PM
Don’t usually post stuff like this but I thought you should all know. A mate of mine works down the road in Henley on Thames and believe it or not Tyrone’s mum runs a cafe next door. She told him he’s definitely signing for Villa as he loves it there! 😁Well that's a better post. The last one I read on this thread Dazvillain left me doubting. Come on Tyrone, sign the dotted line and stretch that shirt again....Unless you're still in it.
I told you, he gave it away to someone near me. I have stroked sweat.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Mings will be here by the end of the month.
I'm expecting Mings to be the marketing department's 'surprise' when they launch our new shirts. Oh the excitement! I can hardly wait.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2019, 06:41:36 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
Don’t usually post stuff like this but I thought you should all know. A mate of mine works down the road in Henley on Thames and believe it or not Tyrone’s mum runs a cafe next door. She told him he’s definitely signing for Villa as he loves it there! 😁I love Tyrone's mum. By all accounts a great lady lived through some tough times when her kids were young.
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2019, 09:36:04 PM
Don’t usually post stuff like this but I thought you should all know. A mate of mine works down the road in Henley on Thames and believe it or not Tyrone’s mum runs a cafe next door. She told him he’s definitely signing for Villa as he loves it there! 😁I love Tyrone's mum. By all accounts a great lady lived through some tough times when her kids were young.
Quite. Can you imagine giving birth to Mings?
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2019, 09:38:14 PM
Don’t usually post stuff like this but I thought you should all know. A mate of mine works down the road in Henley on Thames and believe it or not Tyrone’s mum runs a cafe next door. She told him he’s definitely signing for Villa as he loves it there! 😁I love Tyrone's mum. By all accounts a great lady lived through some tough times when her kids were young.
Quite. Can you imagine giving birth to Mings?
Giving birth to Mings? Fuck me! That would hurt so much, he's massive.
Post by: CT Villan on June 14, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
Post by: mr underhill on June 15, 2019, 11:38:08 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
I loved watching Mings but we shouldn't be tempted to overpay for someone with his injury record.
I might be wrong but I think he's only had one bad injury but I take the point in general. I've seen comments on Twitter along the lines of 'pay whatever it takes' which is ridiculous really. He was great last season but that was in the championship. We have money but I hope we don't get taken advantage of.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 15, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
I loved watching Mings but we shouldn't be tempted to overpay for someone with his injury record.
I might be wrong but I think he's only had one bad injury but I take the point in general. I've seen comments on Twitter along the lines of 'pay whatever it takes' which is ridiculous really. He was great last season but that was in the championship. We have money but I hope we don't get taken advantage of.
Agreed. In our favour, according to reports, is the broken relationship between Howe and Mings. Howe wants rid.
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
I loved watching Mings but we shouldn't be tempted to overpay for someone with his injury record.
I might be wrong but I think he's only had one bad injury but I take the point in general. I've seen comments on Twitter along the lines of 'pay whatever it takes' which is ridiculous really. He was great last season but that was in the championship. We have money but I hope we don't get taken advantage of.
Agreed. In our favour, according to reports, is the broken relationship between Howe and Mings. Howe wants rid.
I guess, turning back up in your Villa kit possibly might have further damaged that. Good!!
Post by: colin69 on June 15, 2019, 12:55:44 PM
Post by: jwarry on June 17, 2019, 05:55:39 AM
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Post by: The Edge on June 17, 2019, 07:59:28 AM
Twitter seems to be awash now with people setting up accounts just to to pretend that they are ITK. It's very sad.What sad pathetic lives some people live. I have no real itk but i really do think it will happen soon and the club can "announce Mings" As for us getting had over by Bournemouth i doubt it. Those who are
running the club now seem to be a very savvy bunch.
Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2019, 08:03:52 AM
Mings will be here by the end of the month.
I'm expecting Mings to be the marketing department's 'surprise' when they launch our new shirts. Oh the excitement! I can hardly wait.
Omg we can’t all wait until mid July 😩
Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Post by: AV82EC on June 17, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Ignore, it’s a fake account.
Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2019, 12:48:07 PM
Can anyone comment on this guy or sources ?
Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Just for my future info, from these idiots, how do you know that ?Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Ignore, it’s a fake account.
Post by: AV82EC on June 17, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
Guy called Alex BILLINGHAM on twitter earlier said inside avfc sources told him Mings deal done for 12.5 million . Since then he’s suggested an official announcement at 6pm.
Can anyone comment on this guy or sources ?
Matt Law, Daily Torygraph, has said it’s a fake account.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2019, 01:01:46 PM
For this one if you look at his past tweets it's pretty obviously a Villa fan taking the piss. But the usual obvious clues for bullshit accounts are number of followers and number of tweets.Just for my future info, from these idiots, how do you know that ?Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Ignore, it’s a fake account.
Post by: Bad English on June 17, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
I'll know we've signed Mings when he's announced on Pravda.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2019, 08:17:13 PM
I'm seriously thinking of muting #avfc on Twitter. It's currently a minute by minute Villa wanking frenzy all day long and then nobody is signed.
I'll know we've signed Mings when he's announced on Pravda.
I agree. Some of the shit is cringeworthy and annoying. I’m delighted we went but can we start acting like we are meant to be a PL club again vs appearing like we are giddy about getting there for the first time.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 17, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Just for my future info, from these idiots, how do you know that ?Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Ignore, it’s a fake account.
He’s a terrible fake. Changed his profile since this morning from claiming to be Telegraph (mind you not sure it says which one) to being freelance.
If you look back to 1-2/8/18, in the space of a day or so it’s confirmed we’d signed Snodgrass, Grealish has signed for Spurs for £25m, Gary Monk has left Blues, Grealish is out for the season with ACL, then miraculously 4hours later
“I can confirm Jack Grealish has had pictures taken wearing and holding the Tottenham Hotspur shirt. Expect the official announcement between 7-8pm this evening. #THFC #AVFC”
Oh and Benitez was sacked by Newcastle too. All in about a day this was.
I’m amazed people don’t at least scroll down to look at the contradictory/untrue nonsense he doesn’t even make an effort to hide, not even a good fake!
Post by: Chipsticks on June 17, 2019, 09:38:08 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 17, 2019, 10:03:16 PM
For what it's worth, in my line of work I have access to a database of journalists and he's not on there.Do you work for Putin?
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2019, 11:13:41 PM
Just for my future info, from these idiots, how do you know that ?Some bloke called Alex Billingham has tweeted deal done at £12.5m and will be announced in next 24 hoursBlimey if that’s the case that makes Wesley price roughly double.... what a player he must be !?
Ignore, it’s a fake account.
He was using a profile picture which wasn't him but a proper journalist and since then he has changed it to a cup of tea on a biscuit and a dog. That should tell you he's taking the piss.
Post by: Dazvillain on June 18, 2019, 08:18:10 AM
Post by: Gareth on June 18, 2019, 08:53:58 AM
I'm seriously thinking of muting #avfc on Twitter. It's currently a minute by minute Villa wanking frenzy all day long and then nobody is signed.
I'll know we've signed Mings when he's announced on Pravda.
I agree. Some of the shit is cringeworthy and annoying. I’m delighted we went but can we start acting like we are meant to be a PL club again vs appearing like we are giddy about getting there for the first time.
It’s a shame when you block cretins it doesn’t pull through to #avfc
In amongst the useful comments you get all the attention seeking ITKs / the football manager players who have no comprehension that players like Mings are owned by other clubs and you can’t just ‘announcethem’
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2019, 08:58:13 AM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 21, 2019, 12:02:32 PM
It's easy for Villa, a good player, one who wants to come, knows the manager and club.
Easy for Bournemouth, a player they know they can sell for a good fee, a lot bigger fee than they'd have hoped for a year ago.
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 22, 2019, 12:34:40 AM
Mings is a beast. I wouldn't want to fall out with him, even on Twitter.
It's ok because no one ever has any recollection of falling out with the Beast!
Post by: Pete3206 on June 23, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 23, 2019, 02:43:41 PM
I have a feeling this signing will accompany the kit launch.
Agreed
Post by: thick_mike on June 23, 2019, 03:11:46 PM
I have a feeling this signing will accompany the kit launch.
Absolutely, he’s the only one with the body to wear a Kappa shirt.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
Post by: CT on June 23, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Having a body that drives women wild is a bit like having a green Ford Cortina mark 4 - you've either got one or you haven't.
I read that in the voice of Swiss Toni from the Fast Show!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Having a body that drives women wild is a bit like having a green Ford Cortina mark 4 - you've either got one or you haven't.
I read that in the voice of Swiss Toni from the Fast Show!
It's from the philosopher Paul Calf.
Post by: Dazvillain on June 23, 2019, 07:20:52 PM
I have a feeling this signing will accompany the kit launch.I was about to write that this looks increasingly doubtful as cherries increasing fee plus putting more add ons included, but seeing your post has give me fresh belief.
I don’t think that the club will be held to ransom and pay over the odds though
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 24, 2019, 09:47:27 AM
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Post by: themossman on June 24, 2019, 10:01:32 AM
It will be sorted in the next 2 weeks.
xoxo
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
Post by: mike on June 24, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
It will be sorted in the next 2 weeks.
Is this (gratefully received) optimism based on something you know or just a hunch?
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 24, 2019, 10:19:56 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 24, 2019, 10:24:34 AM
Where's VinnieChase84 with the latest ITK update on this thrilling chase...
Know nothing mate at the minute. Bournemouth wanting more cash then initially agreed.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
Post by: mike on June 24, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
It might be optimism on my part but I've bene counting Mings in as part of the squad all along, I'll be amazed if he isn't a Villa player by the time the window closes, it suits everyone for the move to happen so any delays are just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The only way I could see it failing is if a top 6 side comes in but I just don't think any of them would be interested this summer, next year might be a different story if he stays fit and plays how I expect.
Has the issue of his girlfriend not wanting to move from the south coast to the midlands been sorted? My sister moved from Dorset to Pershore and is very happy there so I could always ask her to give Tyrone's partner a ring if he wants her to.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 10:33:58 AM
It might be optimism on my part but I've bene counting Mings in as part of the squad all along, I'll be amazed if he isn't a Villa player by the time the window closes, it suits everyone for the move to happen so any delays are just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The only way I could see it failing is if a top 6 side comes in but I just don't think any of them would be interested this summer, next year might be a different story if he stays fit and plays how I expect.
Has the issue of his girlfriend not wanting to move from the south coast to the midlands been sorted? My sister moved from Dorset to Pershore and is very happy there so I could always ask her to give Tyrone's partner a ring if he wants her to.
No idea but I don't see it stopping the transfer.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 24, 2019, 05:41:04 PM
It will be sorted in the next 2 weeks.
Is this (gratefully received) optimism based on something you know or just a hunch?
A whisper I heard a couple of weeks back. The notion being that the Mings to us bit was sorted but Spurs are pissing them around about Nathan Ake. Deadline for month end for an acceptable offer. They want to know whether they need one or two, and the cost, before pressing the Mings to us button.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2019, 06:14:34 PM
It will be sorted in the next 2 weeks.
Is this (gratefully received) optimism based on something you know or just a hunch?
A whisper I heard a couple of weeks back. The notion being that the Mings to us bit was sorted but Spurs are pissing them around about Nathan Ake. Deadline for month end for an acceptable offer. They want to know whether they need one or two, and the cost, before pressing the Mings to us button.
If that's the story, how are you so confident he'll sign? Surely in this scenario, Spurs could submit a big offer for Ake at any point, and that's the deal off for Mings?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 24, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2019, 08:18:15 PM
It might be optimism on my part but I've bene counting Mings in as part of the squad all along, I'll be amazed if he isn't a Villa player by the time the window closes, it suits everyone for the move to happen so any delays are just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The only way I could see it failing is if a top 6 side comes in but I just don't think any of them would be interested this summer, next year might be a different story if he stays fit and plays how I expect.
Has the issue of his girlfriend not wanting to move from the south coast to the midlands been sorted? My sister moved from Dorset to Pershore and is very happy there so I could always ask her to give Tyrone's partner a ring if he wants her to.
No idea but I don't see it stopping the transfer.
I bet when he's 34 and offered one last payday in say, Newcastle*, that she finds the urge to stay in Bournemouth reduced what.
*Just an example, obviously he'll be with us forever, first as player, then player-coach, then manager, then chairman.
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 08:47:58 PM
It might be optimism on my part but I've bene counting Mings in as part of the squad all along, I'll be amazed if he isn't a Villa player by the time the window closes, it suits everyone for the move to happen so any delays are just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The only way I could see it failing is if a top 6 side comes in but I just don't think any of them would be interested this summer, next year might be a different story if he stays fit and plays how I expect.
Has the issue of his girlfriend not wanting to move from the south coast to the midlands been sorted? My sister moved from Dorset to Pershore and is very happy there so I could always ask her to give Tyrone's partner a ring if he wants her to.
No idea but I don't see it stopping the transfer.
I bet when he's 34 and offered one last payday in say, Newcastle*, that she finds the urge to stay in Bournemouth reduced what.
*Just an example, obviously he'll be with us forever, first as player, then player-coach, then manager, then chairman.
I was going to ask if the FA would let him be chairman at the same time as being King of the Universe, but I guess it would be his decision alone by then.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 08:57:05 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2019, 10:16:40 PM
I love this man. https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1143239974000779265
I hope am right as I read this as, 'me coming to Villa will be done by his birthday'. I hope so. Great letter, great response.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2019, 10:25:15 PM
Whether he signs permanently or not, I will forever be grateful for the 6 months he gave us this past season, the passion and commitment he showed us, and am massively impressed by the class act he so clearly is. I'd never given him a second's thought before this season, but will always keep an eye on his career now, whether with us or some other lesser club. Unlike so many modern footballers he deserves the absolute best of what the game has to offer a player.
I've had him down as a genuine good guy ever since he gave tickets to an Ipswich fan on twitter - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-21821696.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 25, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
We must have agreed a price when we took him on loan
He does not look like being in their plans
He clearly wants to come here (even if his missus doesn't)
Come on Villa get it done
Post by: frank black on June 25, 2019, 01:50:16 PM
I do wonder what the hold up is
We must have agreed a price when we took him on loan
He does not look like being in their plans
He clearly wants to come here (even if his missus doesn't)
Come on Villa get it done
Sadly we didn’t agree anything other than the ability to match opposing bids.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 25, 2019, 01:59:16 PM
*Please note I may have made this bit up to coincide with previous humorous threads on this subject.
Post by: Smithy on June 25, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
The matching bid thing is a bit misleading, as there is no obligation on Bournemouth to accept ANY bid. I suspect we asked for right-to-buy clause, which was rejected. Then we asked for a deal that meant we get first refusal if they DID choose to sell.
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
I honestly don't think it matters what happens with Ake, other than them not wanting to start looking for a new defender without knowing what they're looking to replace.
Post by: themossman on June 25, 2019, 05:46:29 PM
The matching bid thing is a bit misleading, as there is no obligation on Bournemouth to accept ANY bid. I suspect we asked for right-to-buy clause, which was rejected. Then we asked for a deal that meant we get first refusal if they DID choose to sell.
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
In practice does a matching clause make any difference to anything at all?
If we didn’t have it we could still match any offer and the club could still say yes or no. If there is more than one offer then presumably the player decides.
I can’t see how any of that works differently with or without this clause.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 25, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
The matching bid thing is a bit misleading, as there is no obligation on Bournemouth to accept ANY bid. I suspect we asked for right-to-buy clause, which was rejected. Then we asked for a deal that meant we get first refusal if they DID choose to sell.
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
In practice does a matching clause make any difference to anything at all?
If we didn’t have it we could still match any offer and the club could still say yes or no. If there is more than one offer then presumably the player decides.
I can’t see how any of that works differently with or without this clause.
It means they have to inform you of it if they accept it. Then you can make an identical bid which also must be accepted and you get first dibs on talking to the player.
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
The matching bid thing is a bit misleading, as there is no obligation on Bournemouth to accept ANY bid. I suspect we asked for right-to-buy clause, which was rejected. Then we asked for a deal that meant we get first refusal if they DID choose to sell.
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
In practice does a matching clause make any difference to anything at all?
If we didn’t have it we could still match any offer and the club could still say yes or no. If there is more than one offer then presumably the player decides.
I can’t see how any of that works differently with or without this clause.
That's why I've always hoped there was something more it that we weren't aware of, I thought maybe a cut off date after which we could have him for an agreed fee or similar, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2019, 07:23:53 PM
I’m not saying that is what is happening but it’s easy to see why it is taking a while.
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2019, 07:44:54 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2019, 08:04:09 PM
In that case, it's probably best wait until the last possible day of the window. Mings plays the waiting game too and refuses to go anywhere other than Villa.
Not ideal, but I can see that being the case.
Post by: themossman on June 25, 2019, 08:07:36 PM
The matching bid thing is a bit misleading, as there is no obligation on Bournemouth to accept ANY bid. I suspect we asked for right-to-buy clause, which was rejected. Then we asked for a deal that meant we get first refusal if they DID choose to sell.
The simple fact is Bournemouth don't have to sell him to us, or anyone - but it certainly helps them to get a bidding war going (though I've no idea who the other bidders would be at this stage?).
There was a rumour a couple of weeks ago that Ake was being looked at by Spurs - I hope the Mings delay isn't related to Bournemouth waiting to see how that plays out...
In practice does a matching clause make any difference to anything at all?
If we didn’t have it we could still match any offer and the club could still say yes or no. If there is more than one offer then presumably the player decides.
I can’t see how any of that works differently with or without this clause.
It means they have to inform you of it if they accept it. Then you can make an identical bid which also must be accepted and you get first dibs on talking to the player.
Cheers. Funny one though isn't it - a kind of Schrodinger's option to buy.
Post by: Matt Collins on June 25, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
When the wesley signing broke out if the blue, I bet Newcastle were gutted. A matching right would stop that being sprung on you
But worth no more than that
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 25, 2019, 09:02:44 PM
Benefits and limits of matching right seem pretty clear to me
When the wesley signing broke out if the blue, I bet Newcastle were gutted. A matching right would stop that being sprung on you
But worth no more than that
That is about the size of it. We dont want to sell at £6m so will not. We accept £10m from Brighton then we tell you. You are willing to pay ten, have a natter with him first. But if he decides on Brighton, you can do sod all.
I still remain confident he will be an officially anointed Villa man over the next couple of weeks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on June 26, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
From this thread, spurs are after Ake. Therefore they could bid £20m for Mings, forcing us to match it, adding say £5m to his value. They use that pretend bid to get a 2.5m discount off Ake.
I’m not saying that is what is happening but it’s easy to see why it is taking a while.
Which would fall foul of the Competition Act 1998. And if I remember properly fines are up to 10% of turnover. They’d be pretty dumb to try that but then again we are talking football clubs.
Post by: Villafirst on June 26, 2019, 08:28:21 PM
Off course he will. His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final. There is only club he wants to play for.
I wish the Villa hierarchy would recognise that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 08:32:30 PM
Off course he will. His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final. There is only club he wants to play for.
I wish the Villa hierarchy would recognise that.
You don’t think they know that? We criticized the club in years past for being stupid in player acquisition. Paying ridiculous transfer sums, agents fees and wages. Now despite our new found wealth we are being careful and more astute. You can’t have it both ways. We need players, but we also need to let the club and the professionals in charge do that. I don’t want us being fucked over by any club this summer. We’ve had plenty of that in the past and it nearly led us being wound up.
Post by: kieron on June 26, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final.
Not any more. Read into that what you will....
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 09:08:51 PM
His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final.
Not any more. Read into that what you will....
😭
It’s his academy now. Or he wants to wear the new kit and has been told he can’t yet. It would be brilliant if the kit launch included him getting on a train in Bournemouth to Birmingham in full new Villa attire
Post by: mike on June 26, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final.
Not any more. Read into that what you will....
Don't like the look of that...
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 10:20:19 PM
His Twitter profile still has him in a Villa kit weeks after the final.
Not any more. Read into that what you will....
Don't like the look of that...
It means nothing
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2019, 11:50:31 PM
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2019, 12:33:47 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2019, 12:40:18 AM
It's done.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2019, 07:32:17 AM
I'm absolutely certain this deal is done. Nothing on InstaTwatterBooks would convince me otherwise.Why isn’t it announced then?
It's done.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 27, 2019, 07:59:54 AM
We're the most active club in the Premier League so far with transfers. 11 are yet to do any business.
And we're the only club who can't afford to wait until the end of the window having released 10 players and being in need of almost an entirely new defence. Nobody else is in our position.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2019, 10:33:36 AM
Teams promoted via the play offs are at a huge disadvantage and this is why.
No need to panic yet and I am sure they are doing everything to get the right players in.
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
I make that 2 essential and 1 important signings, with Centre back and Left Back being essential to get a functioning team out and then a DM to give us a bit more defensive stability.
What other position are you thinking of? I assume a keeper, and I can sort of understand, but I think it's a bit unfair to Steer to suggest we couldn't be competitive with him in the team.
Post by: Keeno on June 27, 2019, 11:07:39 AM
I'd quite like us to just go all out for Phillips tbh - pay whatever Leeds want for him (because we literally can) and solve that position long term. Him with McGinn and Jack is a talented, young midfield three that would only get better with time.
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2019, 11:33:34 PM
I'm absolutely certain this deal is done. Nothing on InstaTwatterBooks would convince me otherwise.Why isn’t it announced then?
It's done.
Patience. It will happen*
*I have no evidence to back this up.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2019, 10:40:14 AM
I don't think that's true but it really depends on how you define competitive, for me it's finishing 10-16 this season. For that goal I think Steer, Hause, Guilbert/Elmo, McGinn, Jack, El Ghazi, Jota and Moraes are all good enough to start, so that's 8. Taylor probably isn't so a left back is needed, Chester seems to be broken so a centre back is needed. That leaves Hourihane who will be fine for some games but probably a bit light weight for others but he could do a job if we had to go as we are today.I think Elmo will be exposed at This level.no idea about Guilbert.
I make that 2 essential and 1 important signings, with Centre back and Left Back being essential to get a functioning team out and then a DM to give us a bit more defensive stability.
What other position are you thinking of? I assume a keeper, and I can sort of understand, but I think it's a bit unfair to Steer to suggest we couldn't be competitive with him in the team.
So I think Centre half Centre Midfield and 2 full backs..
Centre midfield and Centre half are absolutely essential, if not we will struggle.
Post by: brontebilly on June 28, 2019, 10:53:51 AM
I don't think that's true but it really depends on how you define competitive, for me it's finishing 10-16 this season. For that goal I think Steer, Hause, Guilbert/Elmo, McGinn, Jack, El Ghazi, Jota and Moraes are all good enough to start, so that's 8. Taylor probably isn't so a left back is needed, Chester seems to be broken so a centre back is needed. That leaves Hourihane who will be fine for some games but probably a bit light weight for others but he could do a job if we had to go as we are today.
I make that 2 essential and 1 important signings, with Centre back and Left Back being essential to get a functioning team out and then a DM to give us a bit more defensive stability.
What other position are you thinking of? I assume a keeper, and I can sort of understand, but I think it's a bit unfair to Steer to suggest we couldn't be competitive with him in the team.
Elmo has never been EPL standard, proven at a few clubs (all under Bruce?). Very solid player for us in second tier but that's his level. Maybe fine for backup, same for Steer, Hause and Jota. At least Guilbert will have a full pre-season with us but it's a huge jump in standard from the French league to the EPL (as seen with likes of Veretout). Moraes too might need time to settle in so a decent backup forward, i.e not Hogan or Kodjia, is required.
Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane (Not as a DM but will still contribute goals and assists) , El Ghazi will all be fine. Holding midfielder and another wide option and we will have a very decent midfield roster. Jota is a surprise signing really, we already have three of our better players competing for 2 positions, don't think we needed a fourth.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2019, 11:00:48 AM
Agree with the point on Hourihane above - we're extremely light in the DM department now with Jedi and Whelan both leaving.
I'd quite like us to just go all out for Phillips tbh - pay whatever Leeds want for him (because we literally can) and solve that position long term. Him with McGinn and Jack is a talented, young midfield three that would only get better with time.
My impression is that Hourihane was played in the defensive midfielder role because we didn't really have a good one to play there. It doesn't strike me as being his natural position.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2019, 11:09:00 AM
Agree with the point on Hourihane above - we're extremely light in the DM department now with Jedi and Whelan both leaving.
I'd quite like us to just go all out for Phillips tbh - pay whatever Leeds want for him (because we literally can) and solve that position long term. Him with McGinn and Jack is a talented, young midfield three that would only get better with time.
My impression is that Hourihane was played in the defensive midfielder role because we didn't really have a good one to play there. It doesn't strike me as being his natural position.
For the life of me, I've never understood why anybody thinks he's a DM.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2019, 11:11:15 AM
He isn’t.Agree with the point on Hourihane above - we're extremely light in the DM department now with Jedi and Whelan both leaving.
I'd quite like us to just go all out for Phillips tbh - pay whatever Leeds want for him (because we literally can) and solve that position long term. Him with McGinn and Jack is a talented, young midfield three that would only get better with time.
My impression is that Hourihane was played in the defensive midfielder role because we didn't really have a good one to play there. It doesn't strike me as being his natural position.
For the life of me, I've never understood why anybody thinks he's a DM.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 28, 2019, 11:42:03 AM
Post by: mike on June 28, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
MingsWatch: he's posted two Instagram stories today, one from Bath Royal Crescent, so he ain't much closer to B6.
Bath is closer to Birmingham than Bournemouth (I think). Plus today is the birthday of that boy who wrote begging him to join Villa on his birthday. Tyrone sent a message to him saying he hopes he has a happy birthday. He's on his way up and has stopped off at Bath for a bit of history and culture.
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2019, 12:42:55 PM
MingsWatch: he's posted two Instagram stories today, one from Bath Royal Crescent, so he ain't much closer to B6.
Bath is closer to Birmingham than Bournemouth (I think). Plus today is the birthday of that boy who wrote begging him to join Villa on his birthday. Tyrone sent a message to him saying he hopes he has a happy birthday. He's on his way up and has stopped off at Bath for a bit of history and culture.
And a lovely place it is too. I was there last year for the first time since I was there on a school trip aged about nine.
Post by: kieron on June 28, 2019, 01:15:31 PM
Post by: Bostongbboy on June 28, 2019, 01:32:01 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 28, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
As I understand and read elsewhere Bath is his home town and does excellent work with the homeless in the city there.
Certainly closer to the truth than mike's version of events, although kudos mike for the unwavering optimism ;)
Post by: mike on June 28, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
As I understand and read elsewhere Bath is his home town and does excellent work with the homeless in the city there.
Certainly closer to the truth than mike's version of events, although kudos mike for the unwavering optimism ;)
He’s popped into the homeless shelter/shop/whatever it is he does and is having a last ice cream with his mom before he drives up to Villa Park to sign with a Skype link to the birthday boy. Then he’s coming around to mine for a couple of beers.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 28, 2019, 02:41:17 PM
As I understand and read elsewhere Bath is his home town and does excellent work with the homeless in the city there.
Certainly closer to the truth than mike's version of events, although kudos mike for the unwavering optimism ;)
He’s popped into the homeless shelter/shop/whatever it is he does and is having a last ice cream with his mom before he drives up to Villa Park to sign with a Skype link to the birthday boy. Then he’s coming around to mine for a couple of beers.
I'm outside but you're not answering ...
Post by: mike on June 28, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
As I understand and read elsewhere Bath is his home town and does excellent work with the homeless in the city there.
Certainly closer to the truth than mike's version of events, although kudos mike for the unwavering optimism ;)
He’s popped into the homeless shelter/shop/whatever it is he does and is having a last ice cream with his mom before he drives up to Villa Park to sign with a Skype link to the birthday boy. Then he’s coming around to mine for a couple of beers.
I'm outside but you're not answering ...
I’m at the shops buying Tyrone’s beer.
Post by: Bostongbboy on June 28, 2019, 03:14:24 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on June 28, 2019, 04:52:02 PM
As I understand and read elsewhere Bath is his home town and does excellent work with the homeless in the city there.
Certainly closer to the truth than mike's version of events, although kudos mike for the unwavering optimism ;)
He’s popped into the homeless shelter/shop/whatever it is he does and is having a last ice cream with his mom before he drives up to Villa Park to sign with a Skype link to the birthday boy. Then he’s coming around to mine for a couple of beers.
I'm outside but you're not answering ...
I’m at the shops buying Tyrone’s beer.
He’s going to be late as he’s coming via Luton to bless my fresh lil’ daughter Miss AV Taylor ;)
Post by: mike on June 28, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 04:08:03 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 04:11:09 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 04:15:14 PM
Mings in Portugal and not with Bournemouth on first day of training. Allegedly talking to Villa reps.
Where you got this from?
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 04:17:50 PM
He's here with me having a beer.
Oh christ, no chance of him passing a medical then!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 04:22:38 PM
He's here with me having a beer.
Oh christ, no chance of him passing a medical then!
Fear not, I gave him Super Bock instead of Sagres. Nobody can do more than two Super Bocks. Horrible stuff.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 04:30:45 PM
Mings in Portugal and not with Bournemouth on first day of training. Allegedly talking to Villa reps.
Isn't Dean Smith currently on holiday in the Algarve?
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 04:54:07 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 05:03:10 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
I think Smith and Terry are still there. They were pictured 3 days ago talking to Slippy Gee.
My Instagram detective skills can confirm that Terry is definitely still there, posted "Pool Day" with a Portuguese flag 15 mins ago.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 05:21:00 PM
I think this will speed up once pre season properly starts.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 03, 2019, 10:53:19 AM
Wonder if he’s having a rampaging lion crest tattooed ?
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
Post by: Confusious says on July 03, 2019, 11:47:38 AM
Post by: themossman on July 03, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 03, 2019, 12:51:17 PM
We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him
really cannot see what the delay is
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Tyrone is having a tattoo on his bum He’s Here He’s There He’s Every ............ Where
There was a Villa fan last month that had exactly that tattooed on his arse.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious
We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him
really cannot see what the delay is
The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.
Post by: dicedlam on July 03, 2019, 02:03:24 PM
I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious
We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him
really cannot see what the delay is
The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.
I think the longer it is drawn out Bournemouth will hope that we offer them a couple of extra millions just to get him here for pre-season.
Post by: jwarry on July 03, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious
We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him
really cannot see what the delay is
The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.
Yes we will have submitted a desultory bid and now they will just hope someone comes in with a higher bid so we have to match it. I’m afraid it’s going to be a waiting game. The good news is he knows how we play so shouldn’t take any time settling in
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2019, 02:20:19 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 02:23:27 PM
Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.
I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2019, 02:41:36 PM
I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious
We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him
really cannot see what the delay is
The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.
Yes we will have submitted a desultory bid and now they will just hope someone comes in with a higher bid so we have to match it. I’m afraid it’s going to be a waiting game. The good news is he knows how we play so shouldn’t take any time settling in
Is that the story doing the rounds in the Henley tea shops?
Post by: john e on July 03, 2019, 03:30:00 PM
Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.
I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.
Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 03:52:38 PM
Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.
I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.
Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons
I know, I'm just pointing out that offering £12-15m as our opening offer would be wrong, in my opinion.
Post by: john e on July 03, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.
I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.
Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons
I know, I'm just pointing out that offering £12-15m as our opening offer would be wrong, in my opinion.
Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured
he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning
i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me
Post by: danno on July 03, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 04:35:34 PM
Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured
he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning
i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me
What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 03, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured
he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning
i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me
What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.
Half of this is conjecture. You don't know that Bournemouth don't want him, he pulled up trees for us last season and if they do sell Aké then maybe they've earmarked Tyrone to replace him. Equally you don't know that he's not willing to join another club, just because he struck up an affinity with our fans and our great club last season doesn't mean he couldn't bear to go elsewhere. He will do what's right for him and his family, not Villa supporters, and he's got every right to do so. We need to curb the assumptions that he's just hanging around waiting for us to kick the door down and save him from exile, the footballing community has now seen what a great player and character he is, so he will have options.
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
Post by: The Edge on July 03, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 05:07:54 PM
Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured
he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning
i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me
What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.
Half of this is conjecture. You don't know that Bournemouth don't want him, he pulled up trees for us last season and if they do sell Aké then maybe they've earmarked Tyrone to replace him. Equally you don't know that he's not willing to join another club, just because he struck up an affinity with our fans and our great club last season doesn't mean he couldn't bear to go elsewhere. He will do what's right for him and his family, not Villa supporters, and he's got every right to do so. We need to curb the assumptions that he's just hanging around waiting for us to kick the door down and save him from exile, the footballing community has now seen what a great player and character he is, so he will have options.
Of course it is, in exactly the same way that it is conjecture that he'll cost £20-25m, or in exactly the same way as suggesting that rumours of them selling Ake could mean they want to keep him. My use of 'seemingly' covered the fact that I was sharing an opinion based on what I'd seen and heard and not on specific quotes. Again, I think it works well for everyone for him to join and that means that his value will be negotiable and will end up as something around 15-17m.
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 05:34:12 PM
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2019, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 03, 2019, 06:19:04 PM
Talk sport reporting that Man City are lining up a bid for Nathan Ake. If it's true that could wreck our plans to sign Mings. First bit of bad news we've had for a while. Hopefully it's just talk sport talking shite again.
Not if he puts in a transfer request.
Post by: The Edge on July 03, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
They don't have to accept it just like us with Benteke a while back. Difference is we were desperate to keep him another year while Bournemouth don't seem arsed about Mings. The Ake to City connection could force Bournemouth to rethink. I think the club will have a back up plan in the event we don't get Mings but i would dearly love to see him in the claret & blue next season.Talk sport reporting that Man City are lining up a bid for Nathan Ake. If it's true that could wreck our plans to sign Mings. First bit of bad news we've had for a while. Hopefully it's just talk sport talking shite again.
Not if he puts in a transfer request.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
One decent looking journalist on Twitter saying it’s all but done.
Who is that then - for us none twitter people
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2019, 01:55:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
One decent looking journalist on Twitter saying it’s all but done.
Who is that then - for us none twitter people
I assume it's this which looks pretty fake to me
https://twitter.com/henryjarmstrong
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 02:10:00 PM
One decent looking journalist on Twitter saying it’s all but done.
Who is that then - for us none twitter people
I assume it's this which looks pretty fake to me
https://twitter.com/henryjarmstrong
Yep, looks fake. Can't find any trace anywhere of a Mirror journalist named Henry Armstrong.
Post by: Villafirst on July 04, 2019, 05:51:06 PM
Post by: Hinckley Dave on July 04, 2019, 05:58:23 PM
Post by: kieron on July 04, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
Can't see this happening now. Time to move on to other options. We need players in now that pre-season has started and a US tour next week. Window closes on 8th August.
You can't see it happening, because we still have between tomorrow 5th July and the 8th August when the window closes, which is around 5 weeks?
Not sure that adds up really?
Post by: themossman on July 04, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
But you know what, if it doesn’t work out we’ll buy another good player.
Post by: Villafirst on July 04, 2019, 07:06:31 PM
Can't see this happening now. Time to move on to other options. We need players in now that pre-season has started and a US tour next week. Window closes on 8th August.
You can't see it happening, because we still have between tomorrow 5th July and the 8th August when the window closes, which is around 5 weeks?
Not sure that adds up really?
My opinion. If I'm wrong then ok. Am I not entitled to an opinion??
Post by: kieron on July 04, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2019, 07:27:56 PM
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
Post by: LukeJames on July 04, 2019, 07:39:28 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 04, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
Can't see this happening now. Time to move on to other options. We need players in now that pre-season has started and a US tour next week. Window closes on 8th August.
Righto
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2019, 07:55:59 PM
One of the worst things about social media is people crying about not being allowed an opinion anytime somebody disagrees with them.
I would agree with you but I'm not allowed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2019, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
One of the worst things about social media is people crying about not being allowed an opinion anytime somebody disagrees with them.
I would agree with you but I'm not allowed.
I don't agree with that but instead of saying so I'm just going to think it.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 04, 2019, 08:34:52 PM
One of the worst things about social media is people crying about not being allowed an opinion anytime somebody disagrees with them.
Nazi !!!
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
What’s the panic here? I have full confidence that he will be a Villa player by the time the window closes which will be before a ball is kicked in anger. And if, IF he isn’t I have the same level of confidence in Dean Smith/Pitarch/Purslow that they will have researched alternatives and not leave us in a vulnerable situation as Steve Bruce did at CB.I wouldn't call it panic but it's curious that, if this transfer is as nailed on as everyone says, it hasn't happened by now and as far as we know is not imminent. If he could post some pics of him still in his Villa kit I'd be reassured.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2019, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on July 04, 2019, 09:31:55 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2019, 09:49:44 PM
I think the transfer is nailed on hilts. But Bournemouth know we want him and they will have been told he wants to leave by the agent. But what’s their rush is more the question? They don’t need to help us so they likely will give it the time they need to find a replacement to make sure they have what they need in terms of cover before selling him to us. And you never know someone else may make a bid and drive the final price up from whatever we might have offered.Isn't that precisely why it isn't nailed on though?
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 09:51:22 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2019, 10:47:22 PM
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Post by: Villafirst on July 05, 2019, 07:52:10 AM
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Oh the irony!
Post by: Smithy on July 05, 2019, 09:34:57 AM
I think the transfer is nailed on hilts. But Bournemouth know we want him and they will have been told he wants to leave by the agent. But what’s their rush is more the question? They don’t need to help us so they likely will give it the time they need to find a replacement to make sure they have what they need in terms of cover before selling him to us. And you never know someone else may make a bid and drive the final price up from whatever we might have offered.Isn't that precisely why it isn't nailed on though?
Our deal with Bournemouth allows us to match any other offer that comes in, and get first dibs on talking to Tyrone. I think this is only a risk if someone in the top 6 comes in for him, but are they really going to do that off the back of Tyrone having a great 5-month spell in the Championship? I don't see it.
Personally, I still think the biggest risk to this not happening is that Bournemouth don't sell at all because they can't get a replacement, or don't have sufficient cover if Ake gets sold, rather than us being gazumped by someone else.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2019, 09:42:25 AM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 05, 2019, 09:43:20 AM
Unless his wife wants to go somewhere else. That's still a factor, yeah?
No and never was. It should be sorted this week.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 05, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
Unless his wife wants to go somewhere else. That's still a factor, yeah?
No and never was. It should be sorted this week.
In fairness it was reported a few weeks ago that his girlfriend wanted to stay south coast and he then got linked to Brighton at one point . He’s having his tattoo done today so we won’t be announcing him today
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2019, 12:03:51 PM
Unless his wife wants to go somewhere else. That's still a factor, yeah?
No and never was. It should be sorted this week.
In fairness it was reported a few weeks ago that his girlfriend wanted to stay south coast and he then got linked to Brighton at one point . He’s having his tattoo done today so we won’t be announcing him today
Again? He had some done yesterday. I imagine he'll be here before we fly off to the States on the 9th or 10th.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2019, 12:52:42 PM
Post by: kieron on July 05, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
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Holidays and off season work done, looking forward to getting back to work and preparing for the new season 😄 https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1147159053111627777/photo/1
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1147159053111627777QuoteHolidays and off season work done, looking forward to getting back to work and preparing for the new season 😄 https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1147159053111627777/photo/1
The only thing worse than waiting for news on whether Tyrone signs or not is seeing the comments under his Twitter and Instagram posts...... cringeworthy.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 05, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
I'd love him to sign but the pleas being made on his social media feeds make me cringe.
Post by: jwarry on July 05, 2019, 07:35:42 PM
Arguably the only ever ITK I will offer - and less than useful - but I'm fairly sure that the location he is training at is the Outdoor Sports Complex in Yate, northeast of Bristol.
I'd love him to sign but the pleas being made on his social media feeds make me cringe.
Thanks for sharing Big Nose, but you’re right it’s not useful 😁
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2019, 11:55:34 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
I'm still pretty confident, he loved it here and Bournemouth have quite fixed system so don't suddenly see him being a regular in their 11.
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 06, 2019, 03:43:20 AM
Couple of rumours coming out this might be done this weekend or worst early next week.
Twatter rumours from shysters/douchebags or credible sources?
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 06, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Unless his wife wants to go somewhere else. That's still a factor, yeah?
No and never was. It should be sorted this week.
In fairness it was reported a few weeks ago that his girlfriend wanted to stay south coast and he then got linked to Brighton at one point . He’s having his tattoo done today so we won’t be announcing him today
Hmmmm
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 06, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2019, 10:19:32 AM
If this isn’t done by midweek then it will never happen imo
Why midweek?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Post by: Diablo on July 06, 2019, 10:46:15 AM
My view is for what it’s worth is that we will either sign Tyrone Mings or we won’t.My view is we will be forever trapped in an endless fawning limbo loop.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 06, 2019, 10:57:52 AM
If this isn’t done by midweek then it will never happen imo
Why midweek?
Just think if he’s not in by the time we go the states then it won’t happen. That’s just opinion led and nothing else
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 06, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
If behind the scenes everything looks sorted, then Villa might agree to a timing to suit Bournemouth - not huge but their might be a few moans if they sell two central defenders and don't announce one or more replacements.
Bournemouth returned to pre-season a week ago and whilst Mings might have been given a few more days as he finished later last season - he has started doing fitness work away from Bournemouth. A player keen to establish himself back in that side might decide to make an return earlier than expected to make a good impression.
No insight, just an opinion. UTV.
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 06, 2019, 07:00:28 PM
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2019, 07:48:36 PM
Lets not forget they already signed a replacement for Mings in January when they got Mepham, that's why Mings was allowed out on loan.
They're probably going to sell Ake in this window though.
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2019, 08:52:02 PM
Post by: Villafirst on July 06, 2019, 09:52:37 PM
Eddie Howe and at least some of the Bournemouth players have been pictured doing their local parkrun this morning. I've looked carefully and can't see Tyrone among them. In my opinion, an opportunity missed on his behalf to further antagonize their support. He could have dug out his play-off final kit and run in that.
He's still on extended leave after the play-offs.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 06, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 07, 2019, 08:45:57 AM
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2019, 08:51:27 AM
My view is for what it’s worth is that we will either sign Tyrone Mings or we won’t.I agree with your view and it's a very worthwhile statement. It has calmed me down a
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 10:05:10 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 07, 2019, 10:26:49 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 10:28:56 AM
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 10:29:08 AM
Nixon? Who's that?Nixxy, Nicko...the Nickster.
reluctantnicko - Alan Nixon ( journo on twitter )
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 10:29:47 AM
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
Greedy if that's true, given the fact that he hadn't played for so long and then played well, but in an inferior league. Perhaps the time for romanticising is over? Webster, Kongolo better options?
Don't the carrot-manglers want the same for Webster?
Post by: kipeye on July 07, 2019, 10:35:32 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 07, 2019, 10:35:48 AM
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
Greedy if that's true, given the fact that he hadn't played for so long and then played well, but in an inferior league. Perhaps the time for romanticising is over? Webster, Kongolo better options?
Don't the carrot-manglers want the same for Webster?
I guess so, the world has gone mad. Asking daft money for people who have never played in the top league, Phillips, Maupay, Webster et al. Crazy, no wonder there are so many foreign players in the league, far better value. And anyone who says we did the same for Grealish is a bit short sighted, he HAS already played in the top league, and was excellent but in a shit side.
Post by: aj2k77 on July 07, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 10:53:25 AM
I can see this one going down to the wire, unfortunately. Both clubs will probably reach some form of compromise and Mings will eventually join us in early August.Next 10 days done I reckon.
Post by: Villafirst on July 07, 2019, 10:55:42 AM
Greedy if that's true, given the fact that he hadn't played for so long and then played well, but in an inferior league. Perhaps the time for romanticising is over? Webster, Kongolo better options?
That's the inflated Premier League nowadays I'm afraid. John Stones went to Man Citeh for nearly double that amount and he's shite. Van Dijk £60m? £25m for Mings is a good price. Just pay it- our owners should go for it. Relegation will cost far more than £25m in the long run....
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Post by: Uknowthescore on July 07, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
John Percy is usually a pretty reliable source about us and he's tweeted that we are miles away on Mings Phillips and Webster, so much so that talks on all three have broken off. All three clubs want too much money.
No he hasn’t he’s said mings could be a done deal this week this is his quote on Twitter.
Update of sorts, if you want.. Big issue with fees - Phillips, Benrahma and Webster. Dialogue on hold on those 3. Mings could move on this week. Cahill is a possibility, but there are other clubs in. Villa want 8-9 signings.
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 11:14:22 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Jumped up gits.
Post by: phantom limb on July 07, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
Post by: Allan C on July 07, 2019, 11:44:10 AM
Cahill on £100k a week is a shit deal. No resale, potentially finished. Pay proper money and get a player who may be the real deal. We've already paid £20+ for a forward from an average league who may or may not be crap.Absolutely 100% this. Let’s pay what they want and stop haggling. Mings is who we want not poor substitute
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2019, 11:46:48 AM
Anybody connected with the Bourenmouth PR department can see how much pressure our lot are putting on the club and player to get this one done asap, so im not surprised they're asking daft money for him.
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 07, 2019, 11:49:38 AM
I dont think our social media fans have helped this one, every post he or Villa put up is plastered with variations of When you signing/sign Mings.And Mings didn't help himself. Parading around Bournemouth in his Villa kit.
Anybody connected with the Bourenmouth PR department can see how much pressure our lot are putting on the club and player to get this one done asap, so im not surprised they're asking daft money for him.
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2019, 11:50:54 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 11:55:55 AM
Post by: The Edge on July 07, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
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Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 12:39:18 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
There are plenty of defenders in the world.
Move on.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2019, 01:01:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
You can thanks those cnuts in Manchester for as usual inflating the market. £50m for Basasaka is ridiculous. Everyone else is now saying we will have a bit of that.
Maybe some of the clubs are looking at us paying 30m for McCormack, Kodjia and Hogan over a six month period nearly 3 years ago.
If you're looking at a club who pretty much inflated fees between championship clubs overnight that would be us.
We should be looking to europe much more for signings. I know before people mention it didn't work out in summer 2015 but we were a total mess of a club at that stage and also lost our three best players. Totally different case this summer.
I guess clubs are just looking at us with rich owners and also getting 100m + for being promoted and adjusting their asking prices. Seems Southampton are signing Bowen for 12m and they signed Che Adams for similar amount so that puts things into perspective for two of the best Championship attacking players outside top 6 last season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
£25M for a defender of Mings' quality doesn't seem that outlandish to me. Not when Maguire is valued at c. £90M.I guess the answer is, let’s see if any other club offers that as we have the option to match it.
I don’t see why Villa will pay £25 mil when they can probably get him for less.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
£25m for an historically injury-prone backup defender they supposedly don't want. I don't care how inflated the market is, I'd laugh them off the court at that and offer them the ghost of Micah Richards and a graphic designer so they can replace their shite 'crest' with something that doesn't look it came from the Soviet Union in the '80s.
Jumped up gits.
Basically agree with this. In cold hard terms it’s a hell of a lot of money when you factor in the fact he’s not that young, has very little track record and has spent a lot of time injured. Maybe that’s the market in which case so be it. But the fact that we are a mutual love in should be a reason for getting a good deal, not having our pants pulled down. I have this niggly feeling Bournemouth are playing this a bit cynically.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 01:27:46 PM
not that round, not worth 25 million pound.£25m for an historically injury-prone backup defender they supposedly don't want. I don't care how inflated the market is, I'd laugh them off the court at that and offer them the ghost of Micah Richards and a graphic designer so they can replace their shite 'crest' with something that doesn't look it came from the Soviet Union in the '80s.
Jumped up gits.
Basically agree with this. In cold hard terms it’s a hell of a lot of money when you factor in the fact he’s not that young, has very little track record and has spent a lot of time injured. Maybe that’s the market in which case so be it. But the fact that we are a mutual love in should be a realm for getting a good deal. It having out pants pulled down so I don't like the feeling Bournemouth are playing this cynically.
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Damn you read it before the 15 edits. Stupid iPhoneMaybe this can be addressed at your next life coaching session.
Post by: kieron on July 07, 2019, 04:00:40 PM
“Hearing some very good news #avfc fans. Villa have agreed a £20m fee with Bournemouth for Tyrone Mings and he's set to sign in next 48 hours.”
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2019, 04:01:13 PM
Post by: Monty on July 07, 2019, 04:03:35 PM
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 04:04:37 PM
https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1147882232666832897
“Hearing some very good news #avfc fans. Villa have agreed a £20m fee with Bournemouth for Tyrone Mings and he's set to sign in next 48 hours.”
Mings Mings Mings 8)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
Having said that i'll be really pleased he's back.
Post by: nodge on July 07, 2019, 04:10:06 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 04:10:28 PM
£20m fee agreed according to Greg (I'm not adding the extra G, it's ridiculous) Evans and Tom Ross on Twitter.That's standard price for premier league players. Wolves bought can't cross, can't score, Adama Traore for £18 million last year and I know who I would rather have for that price. Is £80 million Maguire 4 times a better player? Nope.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
I can't wait to see him back in claret and blue.
Sorry, just remembered last season's "Villa" kit.
I can't wait to see him in claret and blue for the first time.
Post by: nodge on July 07, 2019, 04:15:12 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
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Post by: p_ad on July 07, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
Now the test will be who we sign to partner him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2019, 04:24:57 PM
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Not sure why it’s a “huge coup”, but great news nonetheless.
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
John PercyAnnounced tomorrow I reckon. So another centre back and goalkeeper and that's us done on the defensive side of things. A centre mid, a wide man and maybe another forward and I think we'll stop there.
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Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
Damn you read it before the 15 edits. Stupid iPhoneMaybe this can be addressed at your next life coaching session.
Are you and coolerking a life coaching twofer? There’s a thought to curdle the blood ;-)
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
£20m fee agreed according to Greg (I'm not adding the extra G, it's ridiculous) Evans and Tom Ross on Twitter.
God bless you sir. Two G Gregs are a scourge on society. Not even a real fucking name is it.
Good news on Mings. In an entirely abstract and meaningless way it feels like vaguely the right price, factoring in the insanity of football economics.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2019, 04:39:37 PM
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Tyrone Mings is travelling to Birmingham tonight after #avfc agreed a £20m fee with #afcb. Huge coup for Dean Smith and Villa chief executive Christian Purslow
He cleared out his locker at Bournemouth's training ground this morning. Glad it's all done and he can get back to BH and keep improving as a defender. The fee is a reflection of that work by our coaches and Tyrone's great mentality, obviously.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 07, 2019, 04:41:13 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
Post by: exigo on July 07, 2019, 04:43:02 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on July 07, 2019, 04:45:35 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 07, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
More than that though, he is adored within the Villa squad and a natural leader. He is exactly the sort of signing we need.
Chris
Post by: themossman on July 07, 2019, 04:47:28 PM
I do think there is value in knowing he’s a good fit and a positive influence around the place, especially after all the ne’er-do-wells we’ve turned over expensively in the past few years, for fuck all contribution on the pitch.
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2019, 04:56:48 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 07, 2019, 05:03:01 PM
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2019, 05:03:16 PM
20m seems high but what was his loan worth to us?
Very good point, I think £20m is high but without his loan I very much doubt we'd be were we are now.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 07, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 05:26:46 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 05:28:43 PM
No way Jose, Hiltz is the only one that has alluded to that quackery.Damn you read it before the 15 edits. Stupid iPhoneMaybe this can be addressed at your next life coaching session.
Are you and coolerking a life coaching twofer? There’s a thought to curdle the blood ;-)
Post by: walsall villain on July 07, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
It’ll be like a new signing.Better than that for me. We know how good he is and he loves playing for us. Great news
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 07, 2019, 05:31:08 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 07, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
He was imperious for the 2 half of last season. Head and shoulders the best defender in the championship, with a calmness and quality on the ball to suggest he will be very good at the higher level.
Post by: WassallVillain on July 07, 2019, 05:39:32 PM
Mings can only get better.
Very clever. A Dream come true.
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 07, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
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Tyrone Mings is travelling to Birmingham tonight on a train in full Villa kit after #avfc agreed a £20m fee with #afcb. Huge coup for Dean Smith and Villa chief executive Christian Purslow
There, that's better.
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 07, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
Post by: danno on July 07, 2019, 05:51:32 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
Need to buy another player for £30 million+ to settle the issue.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2019, 06:04:59 PM
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
We can debate the price all night long but in the end how do we all feel knowing Tyrone Mings will be in our defence at Spurs? That’s worth way more than money.
Well said, exactly how I feel.
Mings played 18 games for us last season, and we lost two of them, when he’d just signed and was getting up to speed. I think the price is fair all round, and that we’ll be snorting with derision at £60m bids from Man City next year.
Post by: jwarry on July 07, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
We can debate the price all night long but in the end how do we all feel knowing Tyrone Mings will be in our defence at Spurs? That’s worth way more than money.
Spot on
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2019, 06:17:08 PM
We can debate the price all night long but in the end how do we all feel knowing Tyrone Mings will be in our defence at Spurs? That’s worth way more than money.Agreed.
And that fact that we are playing spurs is in no small way down to him.
£20m is a reflection of his value to us.
Welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
He was as important to getting promoted as Tammy or Jack I think.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2019, 06:20:16 PM
Shit, does that mean we won't win the Premiership this season and the CL the following?
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 06:20:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
I've seen it reported the initial fee is £18.9m and "the £26m includes a lot of ad-ons and most of it will not even come into play for #avfc for at least a couple of years if ever at all."
Shit, does that mean we won't win the Premiership this season and the CL the following?
Total lack of ambition.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
I've seen it reported the initial fee is £18.9m and "the £26m includes a lot of ad-ons and most of it will not even come into play for #avfc for at least a couple of years if ever at all."
Shit, does that mean we won't win the Premiership this season and the CL the following?
Total lack of ambition.
I keep forgetting Wolves are in the Premiership. How can we compete.
Post by: kieron on July 07, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
All very disconcerting coming from a Brummie 60 year old heterosexual bloke who has been happily married for 35 years , but we live in troubling times.
Post by: KRS on July 07, 2019, 06:30:37 PM
In the grand scheme of things, whether it’s £20m or £26m, the fee still represents good value in the Premier League transfer market particularly for English players...he’s worth way more than that to us as a club, fans and the success we achieved last season. We’ll see much worse players than Tyrone being sold for higher fees, and glad this one looks like it will be completed this week.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 07, 2019, 06:40:54 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 07, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
Just want it announced now. If he cna stay fit I think he's going to make the fee look like a bargain.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 07, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
I'm very happy we've signed him, but he and a number of other of our players face a proper challenge now.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 07:34:31 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
Money talk aside, assuming he signs on the bottom line, greatly relieved to see Tyrone coming home. Welcome back mate. We missed you this last month!
Post by: john e on July 07, 2019, 07:46:36 PM
Post by: postal on July 07, 2019, 07:53:21 PM
Bargain at 20m in my opinion
Maybe a bit more than we wanted to pay, but only by about 5M, so do it and move on. At least they know that he fits in the club, looks nice in the team colours, ;D
Post by: Villafirst on July 07, 2019, 07:55:17 PM
Massively overpriced but in this era of imaginary money who cares. Can only assume Dean and Suso have adjusted the overall budget and list of targets accordingly.
Money talk aside, assuming he signs on the bottom line, greatly relieved to see Tyrone coming home. Welcome back mate. We missed you this last month!
So if Mings us overpriced at £20 million what about John Stones when he signed for Man Citeh at £45 million? Mings is a bargain compared that failure of a player!
Post by: auntiesledd on July 07, 2019, 07:57:54 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 08:00:51 PM
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 08:02:09 PM
It’s all very well saying that John Stones was over-priced, but he was an Everton regular, without any injury issues when Man City bought him.
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on July 07, 2019, 08:07:31 PM
Post by: Villafirst on July 07, 2019, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2019, 08:13:35 PM
Bargain at 20m in my opinion
Yep, me too. It will look like peanuts in 12 months.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Here's hoping the positive acquisitions continue over the next two weeks or so.
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
Post by: villan from luton on July 07, 2019, 08:21:48 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be pleased to get the deal done, but £20m for someone with 17 EPL appearances in 3 years or whatever it is, is probably about 3 times more than we would have paid in January. Good business by Bournemouth not to agree a fee back then.
It’s all very well saying that John Stones was over-priced, but he was an Everton regular, without any injury issues when Man City bought him.
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 07, 2019, 08:28:34 PM
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 08:32:56 PM
Post by: john e on July 07, 2019, 08:43:01 PM
Bargain at 20m in my opinion
Yep, me too. It will look like peanuts in 12 months.
we might well have tied one of our centre half’s up for the next 6 or 7 seasons playing at his prime and people think we payed 5m to much !!
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?Do you disagree with the point I was trying to make though? It doesn’t seem quite right that someone who was surplus to requirements enough to be allowed to go on loan to a mid-table championship club in January, is now suddenly worth £20m. The fact is that we need players urgently, and Mings is guaranteed to settle. I think Bournemouth have played it well and exploited our situation, regardless of whether they have overpaid for players in the past. As far as i’m Aware Ibe and Solanke were younger players than Mings is now when they bought them, and didn’t have injury issues. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m really hoping this will work out for us.
Post by: john e on July 07, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?Do you disagree with the point I was trying to make though? It doesn’t seem quite right that someone who was surplus to requirements enough to be allowed to go on loan to a mid-table championship club in January, is now suddenly worth £20m. The fact is that we need players urgently, and Mings is guaranteed to settle. I think Bournemouth have played it well and exploited our situation, regardless of whether they have overpaid for players in the past. As far as i’m Aware Ibe and Solanke were younger players than Mings is now when they bought them, and didn’t have injury issues. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m really hoping this will work out for us.
we arn’t buying the player that was injured for Bournemouth we are buying the player we saw help us gain promotion last season and was the best CH in the championship
yes Bournemouth got lucky with the loan system and that added to his value which they had every right to exploit
but we are buying one hell of a central defender with his best years ahead of him who we know fits the system 100%
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?Do you disagree with the point I was trying to make though? It doesn’t seem quite right that someone who was surplus to requirements enough to be allowed to go on loan to a mid-table championship club in January, is now suddenly worth £20m. The fact is that we need players urgently, and Mings is guaranteed to settle. I think Bournemouth have played it well and exploited our situation, regardless of whether they have overpaid for players in the past. As far as i’m Aware Ibe and Solanke were younger players than Mings is now when they bought them, and didn’t have injury issues. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m really hoping this will work out for us.
FFS mate did you watch any of the second half of last season? He was fecking brilliant and is worth every penny. I don’t give a flying flange if Bournemouth did well out of it. We will do better. Just enjoy it or get out a bit more.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 07, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
Over the moon.
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 09:02:36 PM
FFS mate did you watch any of the second half of last season? He was fecking brilliant and is worth every penny. I don’t give a flying flange if Bournemouth did well out of it. We will do better. Just enjoy it or get out a bit more.No, I didn’t watch any of the second half of last season, because I was literally out all the time. 😉
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on July 07, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?Do you disagree with the point I was trying to make though? It doesn’t seem quite right that someone who was surplus to requirements enough to be allowed to go on loan to a mid-table championship club in January, is now suddenly worth £20m. The fact is that we need players urgently, and Mings is guaranteed to settle. I think Bournemouth have played it well and exploited our situation, regardless of whether they have overpaid for players in the past. As far as i’m Aware Ibe and Solanke were younger players than Mings is now when they bought them, and didn’t have injury issues. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m really hoping this will work out for us.
FFS mate did you watch any of the second half of last season? He was fecking brilliant and is worth every penny. I don’t give a flying flange if Bournemouth did well out of it. We will do better. Just enjoy it or get out a bit more.
Steady on Fred. It's okay to disagree. No need to get so emotional!
Post by: TheMalandro on July 07, 2019, 09:14:30 PM
Couldn't give a shiny shite about the fee. This is a player we need and it looks like we've got him.
Over the moon.
No need to write anything else.
He's worth every penny. We might get six years service from Mings.
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 09:19:29 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 09:21:54 PM
Didn't paul_e have Hause, El Ghazi and Mings down at 10-12 million for the lot about a month ago?
Yep, but it was on the basis that there would be a value in the matching clause that became active at a certain date because I didn't see the point of the clause otherwise. As it turns out we agreed an utterly pointless clause in the loan agreement. Other than that we paid what I expected for Hause and El Ghazi.
Post by: littleoldme on July 07, 2019, 09:25:35 PM
Post by: john e on July 07, 2019, 09:26:26 PM
you got a new bike with a strong back peddle
Post by: Fred Crump on July 07, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
Remind me how much Bournemouth paid for Solanki and Ibe?Do you disagree with the point I was trying to make though? It doesn’t seem quite right that someone who was surplus to requirements enough to be allowed to go on loan to a mid-table championship club in January, is now suddenly worth £20m. The fact is that we need players urgently, and Mings is guaranteed to settle. I think Bournemouth have played it well and exploited our situation, regardless of whether they have overpaid for players in the past. As far as i’m Aware Ibe and Solanke were younger players than Mings is now when they bought them, and didn’t have injury issues. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m really hoping this will work out for us.
FFS mate did you watch any of the second half of last season? He was fecking brilliant and is worth every penny. I don’t give a flying flange if Bournemouth did well out of it. We will do better. Just enjoy it or get out a bit more.
Steady on Fred. It's okay to disagree. No need to get so emotional!
Haha . It’s me hormones!
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2019, 09:28:55 PM
we arn’t buying the player that was injured for Bournemouth we are buying the player we saw help us gain promotion last season and was the best CH in the championship
They are the same player.
yes Bournemouth got lucky with the loan system and that added to his value which they had every right to exploit
but we are buying one hell of a central defender with his best years ahead of him who we know fits the system 100%
Agreed. I think I’m just a bit frustrated at what a weak position the years of mis-management up to the start of last season has left us in. I really hope we will get into a position of strength, where we can buy and sell players on our terms. When was the last time a club offered tempting money for one of our players for example? The enormous amount of money Sunderland had been over-spending on players during the years that they were in the EPL demonstrates the problem of urgently needing to bring players in when you are struggling in the league.
The tail end of the Lerner years showed how difficult it is to cope in the EPL if you haven’t invested in your squad sufficiently or intelligently. By the point we went down our squad was pitifully weak, and would have required enormous investment to get up to mid-table level. The Xia squad investment that did follow wasn’t very intelligent, and we mostly overpaid for players. Now, having only just dodged FFP by the skin of our teeth, we need to completely re-build our squad over a summer.
It's obviously great that the El Ghazi and Hause loans had options to buy included, and if you take all three (with Mings) permanent transfers together, they are still decent business.
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 09:29:06 PM
I'm only messing mate. I had a look back at page one on the transfer thread and remembered your valuation back then....I think it's a fair price nowadays....yourself?Didn't paul_e have Hause, El Ghazi and Mings down at 10-12 million for the lot about a month ago?
Yep, but it was on the basis that there would be a value in the matching clause that became active at a certain date because I didn't see the point of the clause otherwise. As it turns out we agreed an utterly pointless clause in the loan agreement. Other than that we paid what I expected for Hause and El Ghazi.
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 09:29:48 PM
good riding there Paul e
you got a new bike with a strong back peddle
Not really, , if people are going to quote me trying to take the piss I just expect them to do it properly.
I forgot, the 0-12m was also if the rumour of El Ghazi being free was true, or we'd have to add another £5m to the price.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 09:31:25 PM
Some other player being massively overpriced doesn't make Mings a bargain. Football transfers are a false economy and values are plucked out of thin air sometimes. He's a very good player and I'll be delighted if he signs and will be hoping he stays fit and uninjured.
Here's hoping the positive acquisitions continue over the next two weeks or so.
It's not a false economy, it's the economy in which we operate, and there are very finite resources in terms of players, and almost unlimited resources in terms of buyers' funds.
We've seen that he's a very good player indeed. It was "only" in the Championship, but Mings' attributes of speed, strength, awareness, timing and skill on the ball aren't going to desert him overnight. Several of the current England defensive squad, eg Maguire, Trippier, Tarkowski, Keane etc, have all done time in the Championship, and have shown that it's more than possible to then go on and excel in the Premier League. Injuries aside, I can't see why Mings won't be at least as good as any of them.
Prediction: In 12 months time, we'll have finished in the top 10 of the Premier League, and Mings will be in the squad for the European Championships. £50 to Acorns if I'm wrong on either point.
Post by: john e on July 07, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
good riding there Paul e
you got a new bike with a strong back peddle
Not really, , if people are going to quote me trying to take the piss I just expect them to do it properly.
I forgot, the 0-12m was also if the rumour of El Ghazi being free was true, or we'd have to add another £5m to the price.
but disappointed in this Paul
I was expecting a far longer more detailed retort than the above
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
Properly...good riding there Paul e
you got a new bike with a strong back peddle
Not really, , if people are going to quote me trying to take the piss I just expect them to do it properly.
I forgot, the 0-12m was also if the rumour of El Ghazi being free was true, or we'd have to add another £5m to the price.
Quote from: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 05:46:52 PM
I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
Tuscans reply: £10 - £12 miliion for the lot?
I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
good riding there Paul e
you got a new bike with a strong back peddle
Not really, , if people are going to quote me trying to take the piss I just expect them to do it properly.
I forgot, the 0-12m was also if the rumour of El Ghazi being free was true, or we'd have to add another £5m to the price.
but disappointed in this Paul
I was expecting a far longer more detailed retort than the above
Isn't needed, it's fairly simple for anyone to find the posts and see for themselves.
Post by: Tuscans on July 07, 2019, 09:45:48 PM
Take that bet mate...Some other player being massively overpriced doesn't make Mings a bargain. Football transfers are a false economy and values are plucked out of thin air sometimes. He's a very good player and I'll be delighted if he signs and will be hoping he stays fit and uninjured.
Here's hoping the positive acquisitions continue over the next two weeks or so.
It's not a false economy, it's the economy in which we operate, and there are very finite resources in terms of players, and almost unlimited resources in terms of buyers' funds.
We've seen that he's a very good player indeed. It was "only" in the Championship, but Mings' attributes of speed, strength, awareness, timing and skill on the ball aren't going to desert him overnight. Several of the current England defensive squad, eg Maguire, Trippier, Tarkowski, Keane etc, have all done time in the Championship, and have shown that it's more than possible to then go on and excel in the Premier League. Injuries aside, I can't see why Mings won't be at least as good as any of them.
Prediction: In 12 months time, we'll have finished in the top 10 of the Premier League, and Mings will be in the squad for the European Championships. £50 to Acorns if I'm wrong on either point.
Post by: JJ-AV on July 07, 2019, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 07, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2019, 10:04:28 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on July 07, 2019, 10:18:34 PM
I agree with Risso - Mings will have England caps before next season is out.
Yeah if he is injury free I agree.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
Some other player being massively overpriced doesn't make Mings a bargain. Football transfers are a false economy and values are plucked out of thin air sometimes. He's a very good player and I'll be delighted if he signs and will be hoping he stays fit and uninjured.
Here's hoping the positive acquisitions continue over the next two weeks or so.
It's not a false economy, it's the economy in which we operate, and there are very finite resources in terms of players, and almost unlimited resources in terms of buyers' funds.
We've seen that he's a very good player indeed. It was "only" in the Championship, but Mings' attributes of speed, strength, awareness, timing and skill on the ball aren't going to desert him overnight. Several of the current England defensive squad, eg Maguire, Trippier, Tarkowski, Keane etc, have all done time in the Championship, and have shown that it's more than possible to then go on and excel in the Premier League. Injuries aside, I can't see why Mings won't be at least as good as any of them.
Prediction: In 12 months time, we'll have finished in the top 10 of the Premier League, and Mings will be in the squad for the European Championships. £50 to Acorns if I'm wrong on either point.
Go on then. I do think you're wrong but anything for charity. Not sure where you're getting the "only the championship" thing from either, as I didn't say that.
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2019, 10:52:07 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2019, 10:59:58 PM
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2019, 11:04:05 PM
All I know is we are about to sign a quality centre half who was a driving force behind us getting promoted and has developed a true affinity with the club, his teammates and the fans.
And we know EXACTLY what we are getting.
No huge money gambles like Hogan or McCormack, but someone who has proved his worth to us.
Welcome back big man.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 07, 2019, 11:13:14 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 11:16:12 PM
I don’t give a fuck about the cost, it ain’t my money.
All I know is we are about to sign a quality centre half who was a driving force behind us getting promoted and has developed a true affinity with the club, his teammates and the fans.
And we know EXACTLY what we are getting.
No huge money gambles like Hogan or McCormack, but someone who has proved his worth to us.
Welcome back big man.
I care because the rumours were that they decided he was worth £25m and we needed to say bollocks to that if we don't want to be fucked every time we buy someone
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2019, 11:18:53 PM
Sometimes the value outweighs the price.I don’t give a fuck about the cost, it ain’t my money.
All I know is we are about to sign a quality centre half who was a driving force behind us getting promoted and has developed a true affinity with the club, his teammates and the fans.
And we know EXACTLY what we are getting.
No huge money gambles like Hogan or McCormack, but someone who has proved his worth to us.
Welcome back big man.
I care because the rumours were that they decided he was worth £25m and we needed to say bollocks to that if we don't want to be fucked every time we buy someone
Where would be right now if he hadn’t joined in January or been as immense as he has?
Looking forward to playing Luton and the fucking Rags, that’s where.
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 07, 2019, 11:26:12 PM
I think you will be wrong. But not far wrong.Some other player being massively overpriced doesn't make Mings a bargain. Football transfers are a false economy and values are plucked out of thin air sometimes. He's a very good player and I'll be delighted if he signs and will be hoping he stays fit and uninjured.
Here's hoping the positive acquisitions continue over the next two weeks or so.
It's not a false economy, it's the economy in which we operate, and there are very finite resources in terms of players, and almost unlimited resources in terms of buyers' funds.
We've seen that he's a very good player indeed. It was "only" in the Championship, but Mings' attributes of speed, strength, awareness, timing and skill on the ball aren't going to desert him overnight. Several of the current England defensive squad, eg Maguire, Trippier, Tarkowski, Keane etc, have all done time in the Championship, and have shown that it's more than possible to then go on and excel in the Premier League. Injuries aside, I can't see why Mings won't be at least as good as any of them.
Prediction: In 12 months time, we'll have finished in the top 10 of the Premier League, and Mings will be in the squad for the European Championships. £50 to Acorns if I'm wrong on either point.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 07, 2019, 11:34:36 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2019, 11:39:11 PM
Sometimes the value outweighs the price.I don’t give a fuck about the cost, it ain’t my money.
All I know is we are about to sign a quality centre half who was a driving force behind us getting promoted and has developed a true affinity with the club, his teammates and the fans.
And we know EXACTLY what we are getting.
No huge money gambles like Hogan or McCormack, but someone who has proved his worth to us.
Welcome back big man.
I care because the rumours were that they decided he was worth £25m and we needed to say bollocks to that if we don't want to be fucked every time we buy someone
Where would be right now if he hadn’t joined in January or been as immense as he has?
Looking forward to playing Luton and the fucking Rags, that’s where.
I agree, but, if you look at as an outsider we'd be paying £25m for a player who was valued at £6-7m in January on the back of 18 appearances. Yes they were very good and made a difference in our season as part of a push to promotion but it's still effectively us agreeing to pay and extra £1m per game and I'm far from convinced that leads to a reputation that helps us.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 07, 2019, 11:45:44 PM
Sad, sad people. Concentrate on your own fucking clubs. Leicester fans? Wolves fans? The world gets madder by the day. Arrogant, offensive, know it all fuckers!
Post by: Monty on July 07, 2019, 11:53:52 PM
A quick look on Twitter regarding Mings, and there are an awful lot of absolute c u next Tuesday's from other clubs that seem to know an awful lot about Villa.
Sad, sad people. Concentrate on your own fucking clubs. Leicester fans? Wolves fans? The world gets madder by the day. Arrogant, offensive, know it all fuckers!
I always think about it as a compliment. In the same way - though I hate to admit it - that me bitching about Liverpool is a compliment to them.
Post by: thick_mike on July 07, 2019, 11:55:04 PM
A quick look on Twitter regarding Mings, and there are an awful lot of absolute c u next Tuesday's from other clubs that seem to know an awful lot about Villa.
Sad, sad people. Concentrate on your own fucking clubs. Leicester fans? Wolves fans? The world gets madder by the day. Arrogant, offensive, know it all fuckers!
All they know is that he had injuries, didn’t play games for Bournemouth and he stamped on Ibrahimovic. They didn’t see the player we saw.
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
A quick look on Twitter regarding Mings, and there are an awful lot of absolute c u next Tuesday's from other clubs that seem to know an awful lot about Villa.
Sad, sad people. Concentrate on your own fucking clubs. Leicester fans? Wolves fans? The world gets madder by the day. Arrogant, offensive, know it all fuckers!
All they know is that he had injuries, didn’t play games for Bournemouth and he stamped on Ibrahimovic. They didn’t see the player we saw.
And this is my point, just like Mitrovic seemed like a big expense for Fulham, Mings looks like a huge amount of money for us to spend, if I were the club I'd be making sure it was well known (in the most subtle way possible) that the fee was a lot less than their asking price.
Post by: Colhint on July 08, 2019, 12:08:14 AM
So who do I trust, us fans or the guys running the club. For the first time in a very long time I can say I trust the guys running the club. If they say he's worth £20m, that's fine by me.
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 08, 2019, 12:56:02 AM
Post by: OzVilla on July 08, 2019, 04:17:29 AM
His pre-loan value is irrelevant as he performed way above his valuation - unless of course you're a shite judge of a footballer.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 06:30:13 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2019, 06:50:05 AM
Done.
Excellent.
Post by: kieron on July 08, 2019, 06:53:35 AM
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2019, 07:06:16 AM
Post by: nigel on July 08, 2019, 07:23:20 AM
I know a guy who was at a Wolves function a few years back. He was telling me that he got talking to Jez (owner?), can't think of his name. Wolves had just bought a player and the media quoted £7m. This Jez said the actual price was £3.5m, and this was the norm, as in the media inflating the price.
So it wouldn't surprise me if Mings' actual cost was in the region of £15m -£17m
Post by: algy on July 08, 2019, 07:23:55 AM
Chuffed he's signed. He's worth £20m any day of the week.
Post by: The Edge on July 08, 2019, 07:50:52 AM
Don't worry about the cost. Most on here just have jobs, Plumbers sparkys white collar civil servants etc. The owners are mega rich, the coaching staff seem to know what they are doing.Absolutely this.
So who do I trust, us fans or the guys running the club. For the first time in a very long time I can say I trust the guys running the club. If they say he's worth £20m, that's fine by me.
Post by: The Edge on July 08, 2019, 07:55:39 AM
What?Done.
Excellent.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2019, 08:42:01 AM
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Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 09:08:49 AM
I don't suppose anyone really knows outside the two clubs - will it be published in the accounts? Anyway, after that picture at Bournemouth station, I suppose there was only one destination for Mings.
The accounts will show the total fee spent for all players, and then the total for all potential add ons. So given the number of players signed, it'll be difficult to deduce a single player's costs.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 08, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
Post by: ironmaidenmania on July 08, 2019, 10:07:10 AM
Post by: KevinGage on July 08, 2019, 10:17:00 AM
Its really one of those isn't it. If we get a full season, he performs to the levels we saw last year and carries on being the talisman we had then its a steal. If he goes down with a blown up knee after 5 games not to be seen again everyone will be laughing at us saying we've been had. I seem to recall an ageing Irishman being too injury prone to be taking a chance on and he barely missed a game in the next 3 years.
His pre-loan value is irrelevant as he performed way above his valuation - unless of course you're a shite judge of a footballer.
Aye, but what stands out about signing that ageing Irishman is that those sort of deals don't usually work. We signed McGrath for about the same money we signed Adrian Heath that summer anyway.
This deal wouldn't really come into the bargain category. Yet.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2019, 10:31:31 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2019, 10:36:39 AM
Post by: Bad English on July 08, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Nothing on Pravda.
I imagine it'll be done today or tomorrow.
Post by: SteveN on July 08, 2019, 10:40:41 AM
He could well have the left sided England central defenders place instead of Maguire by the end of the season. I believe he will prove to be that good.
Post by: john e on July 08, 2019, 10:42:14 AM
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Post by: Bad English on July 08, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
🎵 "He's not quite here yet, he's not quite there yet, he's not quite every fucking where yet, Tyrone Mings! Tyrone Mings!" 🎵Nothing on Pravda.
I imagine it'll be done today or tomorrow.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2019, 10:51:35 AM
What happened - did they agree a deal then pull out of it once they realised how much we wanted him?According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
Post by: lukey27 on July 08, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
If Mings was our player last year I imagine that we wouldn't entertain selling him for 20 million, judging by just how important he was.
Other clubs may mock, because to them he doesn't represent that value. It's the selling clubs prerogative now and I imagine this is why we are balking at the fees quoted for the likes of Butland because they don't represent that value to us
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 10:57:16 AM
What happened - did they agree a deal then pull out of it once they realised how much we wanted him?According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
Maybe a few other clubs sniffing around has pushed the price up?
Post by: London Villan on July 08, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
Good info last week. How is the progress on further additions?
Post by: exigo on July 08, 2019, 11:04:13 AM
According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£20 million for Mings. And around £5 million extra to build a beach for his missus behind the Mailbox.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 08, 2019, 11:05:07 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£20 million for Mings. And around £5 million extra to build a beach for his missus behind the Mailbox.
including donkey and kiss me quick hat
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
West Ham signed a CB 12 months ago (forget his name) for £20m. He’s had one good season in the PL and is now valued at £60-80m. Yes, it’s all crazy money but this could turn out to be a great investment.
Issa Diop
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2019, 11:12:11 AM
West Ham signed a CB 12 months ago (forget his name) for £20m. He’s had one good season in the PL and is now valued at £60-80m. Yes, it’s all crazy money but this could turn out to be a great investment.
Issa Diop
no he is good !!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 08, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
It’s done according to this.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
Post by: frank black on July 08, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
Post by: Fulgrima on July 08, 2019, 12:18:01 PM
Post by: luke95 on July 08, 2019, 12:18:01 PM
I will await the pictures live from Witton station of him getting off the train in last seasons full kit, before I get excited
Him getting off a train at Aston station in new full kit would be a superb way to launch new kit & him signing ...
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 08, 2019, 12:21:26 PM
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 08, 2019, 12:24:14 PM
Post by: joe_c on July 08, 2019, 12:45:27 PM
Wow, that looked just like a negative reality inversion.
Post by: pomegran on July 08, 2019, 12:55:00 PM
Had an underperforming, mid table championship side not taken a chance on an injury prone and somewhat unproven player in January, there may not have had an ambitious premier league side in any position to pay £20m for a known quantity, popular with fans and players six months later.
Wow, that looked just like a negative reality inversion.
Here here
Post by: brian green on July 08, 2019, 01:34:26 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 01:43:22 PM
He's taking his time isn't he? If he's not here by tea time, I can't see it happening.
You are Stuart445 and I claim my 50p
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 01:44:32 PM
Post by: Chipsticks on July 08, 2019, 01:48:14 PM
Post by: Chipsticks on July 08, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
Would make sense as this is probably going to be one of our most highly-engaged tweets of all time.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
He's in the building, a sneaky video of his photoshoot just went up on Twitter then was taken down.
https://twitter.com/ouravfc/status/1148212074465628160?s=12
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2019, 02:07:38 PM
He's in the building, a sneaky video of his photoshoot just went up on Twitter then was taken down.
https://twitter.com/ouravfc/status/1148212074465628160?s=12
was this January? , why do we put ourselves through this?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
He's in the building, a sneaky video of his photoshoot just went up on Twitter then was taken down.
https://twitter.com/ouravfc/status/1148212074465628160?s=12
was this January? , why do we put ourselves through this?
Through what? He’s signing. What’s to worry about?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2019, 02:16:04 PM
He's in the building, a sneaky video of his photoshoot just went up on Twitter then was taken down.
https://twitter.com/ouravfc/status/1148212074465628160?s=12
was this January? , why do we put ourselves through this?
Through what? He’s signing. What’s to worry about?
no I know , it is all good, kind of joking , more the fact I am squinting at a twitter photo trying to work out when it was taken , instead of working . I have been preoccupied the last 6 weeks with all this stuff :-[
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2019, 02:17:58 PM
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 08, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
"travelling north" :-X
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
I'm not getting that link to open, is that the one that's been taken down?
It too has been removed, yes. Was a very faraway phone capture of Tyrone doing some gesture with his hands while being snapped by a photographer. And when I say very faraway, I mean it was impossible to tell what colours he was wearing, let alone whether it was a kit or a training top.
It's happening. I'd expect to see it on Pravda by this evening. Tomorrow morning at the latest, in the event that it involves the new strip.
Post by: Towser on July 08, 2019, 02:28:51 PM
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
Try this one for now https://twitter.com/i/status/1148216735591555074
Cheers Tossed, much appreciated. I see what you mean ATAL.
Post by: Towser on July 08, 2019, 02:33:15 PM
Try this one for now https://twitter.com/i/status/1148216735591555074
Cheers Tossed, much appreciated. I see what you mean ATAL.
Tossed?? Ha ha
Post by: andyh on July 08, 2019, 02:36:45 PM
It could have been worse 😉Try this one for now https://twitter.com/i/status/1148216735591555074
Cheers Tossed, much appreciated. I see what you mean ATAL.
Tossed?? Ha ha
Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
the proof will be in the pudding
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Isn’t the proof of the pudding in the eating rather than the pudding itself?
I think we should get this cleared up once and for all.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2019, 02:58:15 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on July 08, 2019, 03:00:35 PM
Definitely in the eating. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sensethe proof will be in the pudding
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Isn’t the proof of the pudding in the eating rather than the pudding itself?
I think we should get this cleared up once and for all.
Post by: Border villan on July 08, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 03:26:47 PM
Definitely in the eating. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sensethe proof will be in the pudding
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Isn’t the proof of the pudding in the eating rather than the pudding itself?
I think we should get this cleared up once and for all.
It's a bit like that other saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it". We moderns say it the wrong way around - it's "you can't eat your cake and have it".
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2019, 03:42:13 PM
Definitely in the eating. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sensethe proof will be in the pudding
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Isn’t the proof of the pudding in the eating rather than the pudding itself?
I think we should get this cleared up once and for all.
It's a bit like that other saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it". We moderns say it the wrong way around - it's "you can't eat your cake and have it".
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 08, 2019, 03:52:53 PM
Definitely in the eating. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sensethe proof will be in the pudding
all those thinking we've paid a bit to much for him and those thinking we have bagged ourselves a bargain will find out who's right over the next season or so
for me if we have paid 20-25m for him today and we were offered 35m for him tomorrow without kicking a ball i'd still tell them to fuck off
he is our Van Dijk he transformed us at the back last season, and like i said we'll find out soon enough if we've paid to much but i think he's a prem player all day long and will prove to be so in the coming seasons for us
Isn’t the proof of the pudding in the eating rather than the pudding itself?
I think we should get this cleared up once and for all.
It's a bit like that other saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it". We moderns say it the wrong way around - it's "you can't eat your cake and have it".
A Buddhist teacher I used to live with asked what’s wrong with having two cakes?
Wise man.
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
Try this one for now https://twitter.com/i/status/1148216735591555074
Cheers Tossed, much appreciated. I see what you mean ATAL.
Tossed?? Ha ha
Christ Almighty only just seen this. Sorry mate, bleedin' autocorrect.
Post by: Towser on July 08, 2019, 04:17:55 PM
Try this one for now https://twitter.com/i/status/1148216735591555074
No worries Dave, I was not offended and have been called much worse over the years
Cheers Tossed, much appreciated. I see what you mean ATAL.
Tossed?? Ha ha
Christ Almighty only just seen this. Sorry mate, bleedin' autocorrect.
No worries Dave, I was not offended and have been called much worse over the years
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2019, 04:21:31 PM
Post by: darren woolley on July 08, 2019, 04:28:39 PM
Post by: exigo on July 08, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Baby, don't worry about a thing.
Cos Villa's centre back is Tyrone Mings.
Post by: kieron on July 08, 2019, 05:30:49 PM
Mings Announced!
Post by: LukeJames on July 08, 2019, 05:31:42 PM
In the new kit aswell.
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2019, 05:33:46 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1148268064506568704
Mings Announced!
Funny. nice touch! itsotp, in the shirt, on the platform!
Post by: andyh on July 08, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Well done the club.
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2019, 05:36:30 PM
Post by: Stu on July 08, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1148268064506568704
Mings Announced!
Very nicely done, Villa.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
Length of the contract no announced. Any clues?
4 years with option on a fifth.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 05:40:04 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 08, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
Post by: CT on July 08, 2019, 05:43:17 PM
Come on!!!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 08, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Mings will be here by the end of the month.
I'm expecting Mings to be the marketing department's 'surprise' when they launch our new shirts. Oh the excitement! I can hardly wait.
Worth waiting for. Welcome back, Tyrone.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1148268064506568704
Mings Announced!
Has he cut the sleeves off
Post by: Border villan on July 08, 2019, 05:44:18 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 05:45:11 PM
Post by: frank black on July 08, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
I will await the pictures live from Witton station of him getting off the train in last seasons full kit, before I get excited
😂 I do not work for Villa, so don’t ask me for any ITK stuff.....superb stuff.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
ref to Bloose and Baggies
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
I will await the pictures live from Witton station of him getting off the train in last seasons full kit, before I get excited
😂 I do not work for Villa, so don’t ask me for any ITK stuff.....superb stuff.
Quality frank, well done!
Post by: purpletrousers on July 08, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 05:48:23 PM
What happened - did they agree a deal then pull out of it once they realised how much we wanted him?According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
No. They had us on hold essentially whilst they were waiting on Spurs to offer something appropriate for Ake. That still isn't resolved and we wanted him in for the pre season games so they charged us a premium for it.
Post by: Smirker on July 08, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 08, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0DZDT4h/NINTCHDBPICT000493484441.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0DZDT4h)
...and now.
(https://i.ibb.co/DDVF8pW/D-97ri-FXk-AApm-Op.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDVF8pW)
You would get some players who wouldn't be up for it....mind you, you don't get many who go home in full kit on a train.
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
Post by: mike on July 08, 2019, 05:59:27 PM
I will await the pictures live from Witton station of him getting off the train in last seasons full kit, before I get excited
😂 I do not work for Villa, so don’t ask me for any ITK stuff.....superb stuff.
Well, you got that wrong, he's in this year's kit.
Post by: dicedlam on July 08, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/DDVF8pW/D-97ri-FXk-AApm-Op.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDVF8pW)
The Emperor's New Clothes!
Post by: LukeJames on July 08, 2019, 06:04:03 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/2nSwVkF/IMG-20190708-180254.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2nSwVkF)
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
I can now go off on my holiday tomorrow with a clear mind.
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2019, 06:15:27 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/DDVF8pW/D-97ri-FXk-AApm-Op.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDVF8pW)
The Emperor's New Clothes!
That's one way of finding out what the new home kit looks like!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 06:15:40 PM
Brilliant news!
I can now go off on my holiday tomorrow with a clear mind.
Told ya it would be sorted!
Post by: kieron on July 08, 2019, 06:24:10 PM
Interview
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2019, 06:28:47 PM
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2019, 06:34:46 PM
Jeez, the blue on that new shirt is sooooo washed out!
(https://i.ibb.co/DDVF8pW/D-97ri-FXk-AApm-Op.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDVF8pW)
Post by: KRS on July 08, 2019, 06:35:13 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 08, 2019, 06:36:25 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/M51tnM4/giphy.gif) (https://ibb.co/M51tnM4)
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 06:37:28 PM
Brilliant news!
I can now go off on my holiday tomorrow with a clear mind.
Told ya it would be sorted!
You did. And it was!
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
Post by: pomegran on July 08, 2019, 06:43:28 PM
Or even Hear Hear.
Thanks for the correction.
Post by: themossman on July 08, 2019, 06:50:59 PM
What happened - did they agree a deal then pull out of it once they realised how much we wanted him?According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
No. They had us on hold essentially whilst they were waiting on Spurs to offer something appropriate for Ake. That still isn't resolved and we wanted him in for the pre season games so they charged us a premium for it.
Cheers. That sounds pretty fair on both sides. I really like the fact that we didn’t muck around and have him miss preseason to save a few quid which seems to have been an option.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
Brilliant news!
I can now go off on my holiday tomorrow with a clear mind.
Told ya it would be sorted!
You did. And it was!
Brighton, my arse. Only one place he was interested in going. Though the stuff about his missus banning him was amusing. He would leave her and just bring his dog for company if it came to it!
Really glad he is back. Now for 3 or 4 more and get this season started. I am worried I am over confident though. I have taken some hefty bets from the Wolves side of my family!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
What happened - did they agree a deal then pull out of it once they realised how much we wanted him?According to sky £20m upfront which could rise to £25 with add ons. Happy with that.
£18m and loads of bits bolted on. More than we agreed at the start of the summer but so be it.
No. They had us on hold essentially whilst they were waiting on Spurs to offer something appropriate for Ake. That still isn't resolved and we wanted him in for the pre season games so they charged us a premium for it.
Cheers. That sounds pretty fair on both sides. I really like the fact that we didn’t muck around and have him miss preseason to save a few quid which seems to have been an option.
They will probably sell the sod to Man Citeh tomorrow!
Deal wise it seems to make sense to everyone so very glad it is done. It is worth the extra few quid to retain a leader and some of last years spine.
Let other people whine on about the cost. This was the big one for us to get done this summer so fuck the cost.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
On field leadership.
Welcome Tyrone - do your best.
Post by: themossman on July 08, 2019, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2019, 07:05:38 PM
There was a moment in the Play Off final when Huddlestone clattered Jack (the red mist was descending), Mings waded in and sorted Huddlestone and the situation, nobody was going to argue.
On field leadership.
Welcome Tyrone - do your best.
There was also that marvellous moment at Leeds when it kicked off and he wandered away from the melee with a player of theirs under each armpit once he had ensured nobody from our side was going to whack anybody.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 08, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on July 08, 2019, 07:20:43 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 08, 2019, 07:25:50 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/zXmQKJr/5646591-F-7-AB5-41-A7-8781-6-BFADB4-EC715.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zXmQKJr)There was a moment in the Play Off final when Huddlestone clattered Jack (the red mist was descending), Mings waded in and sorted Huddlestone and the situation, nobody was going to argue.
On field leadership.
Welcome Tyrone - do your best.
There was also that marvellous moment at Leeds when it kicked off and he wandered away from the melee with a player of theirs under each armpit once he had ensured nobody from our side was going to whack anybody.
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 08, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
Post by: BC Villain on July 08, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1148268064506568704
Mings Announced!
Very nicely done, Villa.
Not very realistic mind.
Ive never seen a West Midlands Trains not have passengers herded in like cattle, with people battling to get off 😉
Welcome back Tyrone!
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 08, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Brilliant Signing, I love him!I'm chuffed to bits - loves the game, remembers where he has come from , seems a natural leader
Well done Villa
Up there with the signings of McNaught, Evans,Laursen, Melberg and dare I say God
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
Brilliant Signing, I love him!I'm chuffed to bits - loves the game, remembers where he has come from , seems a natural leader
Well done Villa
Up there with the signings of McNaught, Evans,Laursen, Melberg and dare I say God
Steady on there Squire. Let’s see him now do it at the highest level then put him with Mellberg and McNaught. Evans is a step up from that, then Laursen and it’s a massive leap to Our Lord.
Your enthusiasm mind you is spot on :)
Post by: john e on July 08, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
Brilliant Signing, I love him!I'm chuffed to bits - loves the game, remembers where he has come from , seems a natural leader
Well done Villa
Up there with the signings of McNaught, Evans,Laursen, Melberg and dare I say God
Steady on there Squire. Let’s see him now do it at the highest level then put him with Mellberg and McNaught. Evans is a step up from that, then Laursen and it’s a massive leap to Our Lord.
Your enthusiasm mind you is spot on :)
He’s the best centre back I’ve seen at Villa since Laursen and Mellberg so now i hope he goes on to be as good maybe better than those two Legends
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 08, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
Cheers buddy - still on a high after WembleyBrilliant Signing, I love him!I'm chuffed to bits - loves the game, remembers where he has come from , seems a natural leader
Well done Villa
Up there with the signings of McNaught, Evans,Laursen, Melberg and dare I say God
Steady on there Squire. Let’s see him now do it at the highest level then put him with Mellberg and McNaught. Evans is a step up from that, then Laursen and it’s a massive leap to Our Lord.
Your enthusiasm mind you is spot on :)
I'm 62 tomorrow and wore loads of Villa stuff around the pool in Rhodes - must have looked a proper chav
But I don't care cause the Villa are back where we belong
Lots of comments around the pool congratulating the Villa - Fans of Chelsea, Arsenal, Derby, Everton, Liverpool and even Wolves
Post by: Pete3206 on July 08, 2019, 08:35:34 PM
Post by: manic-road on July 08, 2019, 09:07:11 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on July 08, 2019, 09:15:06 PM
Post by: KRS on July 08, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 08, 2019, 09:23:47 PM
Delighted he's back. Wife has 'politely' requested that I stop saying "God I just fucking love... Mings" about the house this evening. I made her watch the interview and all.
I've had a bit of that too. Have been carefully advising her that the proper/born villa fans in the house (me and the 12 day old) are made up by this. Glad Uncle Tyrone is in place before our Villa babygrow photoshoot tomorrow morning.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 08, 2019, 09:23:48 PM
Sadly, we can't all cherry pick the best players from Luton Town.
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 09:26:11 PM
I’m absolutely buzzing Tyrone is back...singing Villa songs loud and proud in my car and house with a big smile on my face! 😁
Took my daughter to Brum today to get her a few bits and bobs for our holiday. Played Sweet Caroline all the way there and most of the way back!
Post by: john2710 on July 08, 2019, 09:39:21 PM
An absolute class above those in the championship & I have every confidence that he will be just as good in the PL. A major piece of the jigsaw is in place. UTV
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
Post by: themossman on July 08, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2019, 10:24:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 08, 2019, 10:34:51 PM
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
Quality defender, good attitude, hard as nails, built like a brick shithouse and showed passion in a Villa shirt and a connection with the fans. I wouldn't want to fight him though.
Or his dad to be honest. Picture of him and Mrs Mings on Twitter. You wouldn't mess with Mings Snr either.
Post by: Dazvillain on July 08, 2019, 11:29:40 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
Sorry if I’ve missed it amongst all the great unveiling, but how long a contract has been signed ?
4 plus 1 year option apparently
Post by: Brassneck on July 09, 2019, 06:46:30 AM
He deserves a song.
How about:
"He's here, he's there, he's every fcukin where, Tyrone Mings"?
Post by: kieron on July 09, 2019, 06:48:33 AM
He deserves a song.
Think this has already been posted but this is a good starter for 10:
https://twitter.com/minglaaa/status/1148192796702126080
Post by: Allan C on July 09, 2019, 07:05:03 AM
Brilliant I’ll be singing that all day nowHe deserves a song.
Think this has already been posted but this is a good starter for 10:
https://twitter.com/minglaaa/status/1148192796702126080
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 09, 2019, 09:09:48 AM
He deserves a song.
Think this has already been posted but this is a good starter for 10:
https://twitter.com/minglaaa/status/1148192796702126080
Love it
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2019, 09:38:57 AM
The only thing is you leave out SJM which is never good.
Post by: Chipsticks on July 09, 2019, 09:43:46 AM
How's about 'Spinksy and Birchy, Alan McInally changed to Mingsey and Wesley. Jackie Jackie Grealish...?
The only thing is you leave out SJM which is never good.
'With Mingsey, El Ghazi, Super Jack and Wesley' ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2019, 09:45:47 AM
"Mingsey and Wesley, Super John and Jackie"
We're getting there...
Mingsey and Wesley, Super John and Grealish. Hope it catches on :-)
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
With Mingsy and Mingsy, Super Mings and Mingsy
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
How's about 'Spinksy and Birchy, Alan McInally changed to Mingsey and Wesley. Jackie Jackie Grealish...?
The only thing is you leave out SJM which is never good.
'With Mingsey, El Ghazi, Super Jack and Wesley' ?
I think we're going to need a bigger song.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2019, 09:53:14 AM
What about:
With Mingsy and Mingsy, Super Mings and Mingsy
He is, in fact, that super so why not.
Post by: darren woolley on July 09, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 09, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
"Did you ever know that you're my hero,
And everything I would like to be?
You can fly higher than an eagle,
For you are the mighty Tyrone Mings."
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 09, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
I feel great knowing we have Tyrone Mings in defence he's that good it's a brilliant piece of business by Aston Villa to sign him.
not convinced that will catch on, but we could give it a try
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 10:16:56 AM
I feel great knowing we have Tyrone Mings in defence he's that good it's a brilliant piece of business by Aston Villa to sign him.
not convinced that will catch on, but we could give it a try
hehehe
Post by: darren woolley on July 09, 2019, 10:21:46 AM
I feel great knowing we have Tyrone Mings in defence he's that good it's a brilliant piece of business by Aston Villa to sign him.
not convinced that will catch on, but we could give it a try
We could sing it with a mexican band backing us lol
Post by: Rodders on July 09, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
Post by: Rodders on July 09, 2019, 10:29:27 AM
Everything Ty-rone (with apologies to Ken Boothe)
And he gives us everything, Tyrone
He gives us new life, new heart, Tyrone
And he gives us everything
Now we have him back again
(edited for scansion)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 09, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
I feel great knowing we have Tyrone Mings in defence he's that good it's a brilliant piece of business by Aston Villa to sign him.
not convinced that will catch on, but we could give it a try
We could sing it with a mexican band backing us lol
I reckon I can fit that to I Got You, with a bit of tweaking.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 09, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
Can only get better
Big Tyrone Mings
;)
Post by: postal on July 09, 2019, 11:13:42 AM
Miiings can only get better
Can only get better
Big Tyrone Mings
;)
Like it, I just hope he doesnt feel any pressure at his "new" club ;D
Post by: dicedlam on July 09, 2019, 11:25:08 AM
I await a nodge adaption with anticipation :)
- Crazy Little TM-hing Called Love - Queen
- Livin TM hing - ELO
- Wild TM-hing - Troggs
- Oh You Pretty TM-hings - Bowie
- Get Up Offa That TM -hing - James Brown
- TM-hings Can Only Get Better - Howard Jones
- Don't You Worry 'Bout a TM-hing - Bob
- It's a Love TM -hing - Whispers.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2019, 11:51:32 AM
it works to Oh Macarena,I feel great knowing we have Tyrone Mings in defence he's that good it's a brilliant piece of business by Aston Villa to sign him.
not convinced that will catch on, but we could give it a try
We could sing it with a mexican band backing us lol
Post by: Dazvillain on July 09, 2019, 12:08:27 PM
He deserves a song.Brilliant
Think this has already been posted but this is a good starter for 10:
https://twitter.com/minglaaa/status/1148192796702126080
Post by: spartacuss on July 09, 2019, 12:26:50 PM
Bo Diddley
Billy Gibbons
Manfred Mann
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2019, 12:30:56 PM
The winner, without the hot tub, obviously.He deserves a song.Brilliant
Think this has already been posted but this is a good starter for 10:
https://twitter.com/minglaaa/status/1148192796702126080
Post by: KRS on July 09, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2019, 11:52:39 PM
Could there be potential in a rewording of “Come on Eileen” or even “Sweet Caroline”? 🤔
No.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2019, 11:54:31 PM
Could there be potential in a rewording of “Come on Eileen” or even “Sweet Caroline”? 🤔
No.
I love it when you're masterful.
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Could there be potential in a rewording of “Come on Eileen” or even “Sweet Caroline”? 🤔
No.
I love it when you're masterful.
I know you do, now put a skirt on and make us a cup of tea.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
Could there be potential in a rewording of “Come on Eileen” or even “Sweet Caroline”? 🤔
No.
I love it when you're masterful.
I know you do, now put a skirt on and make us a cup of tea.
I lied about being on the pill. And being 16.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 09:10:08 AM
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2019, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: Uknowthescore on July 10, 2019, 09:21:29 AM
Hope this works
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2019, 09:32:51 AM
https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/status/1148867260183957504?s=21
Hope this works
It did, thanks. I can't get near my telly as a grandson has it commandeered for bleedin' Spiderman!
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 01:03:36 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 10, 2019, 04:05:39 PM
Nice interview. How can not just love him? And he is very respectful to Bournemouth. Shows how well he’s been brought up.
I've said on numerous occasions "I love him"
Post by: Louzie0 on July 10, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
Post by: tim on July 11, 2019, 08:14:10 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2019, 12:35:11 PM
I've been trying to remember the last time there was such enthusiasm to get a player - I know there is often a bit of excitement when rumours go around but this signing really stands out as being different. I'd like to think that TM knows it too! Everything about the signing is positive, and that's a real feel-good scenario which is not often the case at the Villa!
He is another that epitomises the team spirit we had since January culminating in the win at Wembley. Another piece of the heart beat (along with Jack and SJM) is together
And that is worth whatever we paid for him
Post by: BC Villain on July 15, 2019, 08:36:52 PM
Post by: old man villa fan on July 15, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/15/tony-cascarino-comments-on-aston-villa-defender-tyrone-mings/
Thanks Tone for your in depth analysis. I thought you was going to be a great striker for us. I was wrong.
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2019, 08:45:29 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/15/tony-cascarino-comments-on-aston-villa-defender-tyrone-mings/
Well he’d know all about signings who have very average seasons and turn out to be a disappointment and a ‘miss.’
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/15/tony-cascarino-comments-on-aston-villa-defender-tyrone-mings/
If the performances from Mings next season are anywhere near to the average performances that Cascarino put in when he was at Villa, then we're fooked. That said, what that guy thinks and believes is absolute shite and not worth listening to.
Post by: danno on July 15, 2019, 08:49:27 PM
T.C: dunno just a feeling.
He didn't say that obviously, but its about the level of analysis we're dealing with.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
why did we not buy Sheringham !!!!????
Post by: SteveN on July 15, 2019, 09:28:49 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on July 15, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
Very good club fit, scope to improve and on field leader
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 09:43:21 PM
Cascarino joins the other ex players who have shown themselves to be pretty crap pundits, Saunders and Houghton.
Saunders is very impartial and clear-sighted. I like him!
https://talksport.com/football/552987/aston-villa-bigger-club-chelsea-dean-saunders/
Post by: rob_bridge on July 15, 2019, 09:44:01 PM
Cascarino joins the other ex players who have shown themselves to be pretty crap pundits, Saunders and Houghton.
I have heard both Deano and Houghtons tactical expertise which basically sounds like early 1990s - knock it about a bit and play in behind them and force defenders into mistakes.Utter drivell. Deano does love Villa mind
Cascarino is one of the thicker Talkshite regulars
And bearing in mind the competiton no mean feat.
Post by: andyh on July 15, 2019, 10:58:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2019, 05:20:17 AM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1150884448218636288?s=12
Post by: Havencheese on July 16, 2019, 08:00:09 AM
Post by: KRS on July 16, 2019, 08:05:27 AM
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2019, 08:09:41 AM
If there was ever a player who failed to live up to expectations it was him.
Post by: tricky59 on July 16, 2019, 08:18:39 AM
To be fair, Tony Cascarino can fuck right off.
If there was ever a player who failed to live up to expectations it was him.
He certainly lived down to my expectations.
Post by: jwarry on July 16, 2019, 08:23:41 AM
To be fair, Tony Cascarino can fuck right off.
If there was ever a player who failed to live up to expectations it was him.
Yes the irony is certainly not lost on us is it!
Post by: Davkaus on July 16, 2019, 08:33:05 AM
We all know what he’s capable of and how good he can be
We really don't, we've only seen him against mediocre Championship forwards. Being the main guy in the PL is an entirely different proposition.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
Not the first Villa signing Cascarino has had doubts about this window, which is a good thing really given his level of punditry. If he was praising them, I'd be worried.
Well said that man.
Post by: Bad English on July 16, 2019, 12:40:54 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
“ Cascarino signs for Celtic”
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2019, 09:20:50 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 16, 2019, 09:23:22 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1151203952727384067?s=12
See above.
Edit. Sorry different clip.
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 16, 2019, 09:35:15 PM
Quote
I think he has done brilliant for them in the Championship and got up, but the Premier League and the challenge defensively for Villa, they have got to be sound. I think Tyrone is going to have a very average season
Give him some crayons.
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
Imagine joining that squad right now, or leaving it. So much togetherness there, that’ll be so valuable next year.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 16, 2019, 10:46:18 PM
Otherwise he just sounds like a fucking no nothing prick
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
Post by: jwarry on July 17, 2019, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 17, 2019, 02:02:08 PM
As much as I dislike Cascarino and his pathetic punditry and as blasphemous as it is to say, there is of course a chance that Tyrone may struggle to have the impact that he had with us in the Championship in the PL. If you're going to be hyper-hyper critical and look at potential problem areas there were a couple of times where his temperament was arguably questionable (where he got caught up in tussles with opposition players/off the ball/corners etc) there was the sending off at Rotherham and there were occasionally times he seemed to overplay or hang on to the ball too long at the back (which could potentially be concentration levels/or over confidence). The difference in class between world class forwards and the championship is wide and if you switch off for a minute you are likely to be punished as opposed to getting away with it in the Championship. It goes without saying I hope he's brilliant but the whole team is going to be massively tested this coming season.
stop having valid point please :)
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2019, 02:10:31 PM
As much as I dislike Cascarino and his pathetic punditry and as blasphemous as it is to say, there is of course a chance that Tyrone may struggle to have the impact that he had with us in the Championship in the PL. If you're going to be hyper-hyper critical and look at potential problem areas there were a couple of times where his temperament was arguably questionable (where he got caught up in tussles with opposition players/off the ball/corners etc) there was the sending off at Rotherham and there were occasionally times he seemed to overplay or hang on to the ball too long at the back (which could potentially be concentration levels/or over confidence). The difference in class between world class forwards and the championship is wide and if you switch off for a minute you are likely to be punished as opposed to getting away with it in the Championship. It goes without saying I hope he's brilliant but the whole team is going to be massively tested this coming season.
A counter to that would be that it's a position where often players will mature late 20's/early 30's and while at 26, he's no kid, there's still time for him to improve and adjust to the Premier League.
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 03:36:22 PM
It also goes without saying that Terry has already had a major impact upon him and will continue to do soYou're right, you'd think he'd be a massive asset to not just Tyrone but the whole defence especially when it comes to how to deal with specific types of (top class) strikers and the different challenges that they bring with Terry's wealth of experience. Has Tyrone commented on his relationship with Terry and his influence on Tyrone's game/development in any detail? I've heard DS give Terry a glowing coaching report and I know Jack has said what a great influence he has been on him since he arrived.
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 03:38:57 PM
Yeah they are all valid points but mitigated (imo) by the fact that we also need to adjust for the fact that was his first decent run at any level for a long, long time.Good point.
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 03:47:01 PM
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 03:54:58 PM
I agree, regarding his age he's been unlucky with injury and there's definitely time for him to develop as a player in his position, as you say, especially (imo) under our current coaching team.As much as I dislike Cascarino and his pathetic punditry and as blasphemous as it is to say, there is of course a chance that Tyrone may struggle to have the impact that he had with us in the Championship in the PL. If you're going to be hyper-hyper critical and look at potential problem areas there were a couple of times where his temperament was arguably questionable (where he got caught up in tussles with opposition players/off the ball/corners etc) there was the sending off at Rotherham and there were occasionally times he seemed to overplay or hang on to the ball too long at the back (which could potentially be concentration levels/or over confidence). The difference in class between world class forwards and the championship is wide and if you switch off for a minute you are likely to be punished as opposed to getting away with it in the Championship. It goes without saying I hope he's brilliant but the whole team is going to be massively tested this coming season.
A counter to that would be that it's a position where often players will mature late 20's/early 30's and while at 26, he's no kid, there's still time for him to improve and adjust to the Premier League.
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 01:38:14 PM
Reo-Coker believes that as good a signing as Tyrone Mings is for Villa, he must prove himself and learn at Premier League level.
He stated: "He’s a good player and I played with Tyrone for a little bit at Ipswich. I think it’s a good signing but it’s a different quality level now, and he hasn’t had a proper run at the Premier League yet at Bournemouth.
"It’s a different level now and it’s a lot more about using your brain and seeing danger before it happens. It’s not as physical or physically demanding as The Championship, so I think that he will have to take his game to another level."
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
From the Mail - Reo-Coker talking about Tyrone.no shit Sherlock
Reo-Coker believes that as good a signing as Tyrone Mings is for Villa, he must prove himself and learn at Premier League level.
He stated: "He’s a good player and I played with Tyrone for a little bit at Ipswich. I think it’s a good signing but it’s a different quality level now, and he hasn’t had a proper run at the Premier League yet at Bournemouth.
"It’s a different level now and it’s a lot more about using your brain and seeing danger before it happens. It’s not as physical or physically demanding as The Championship, so I think that he will have to take his game to another level."
Post by: Bad English on July 19, 2019, 02:41:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2019, 11:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mbird94/status/1152324793229828096
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 11:46:22 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 20, 2019, 05:47:27 PM
Showing once again he's a good 'un.
https://twitter.com/mbird94/status/1152324793229828096
I've just seen this. What a lovely man he is.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2019, 06:41:39 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on July 20, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 22, 2019, 05:12:04 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 22, 2019, 08:48:39 AM
Post by: Villa75 on July 26, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
A very good ambassador for the club, and a thoroughly nice man. A dead cert for TV work when his football career finishes. Although I hope that's many years in the future, after he's captained us to a PL and CL trophy or two.
Villa legend in the making. 👍
Post by: Smirker on July 26, 2019, 01:51:13 PM
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2019, 03:02:30 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 26, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
Our old friend Ian Holloway was incredibly complimentary about Mings on Talksport earlier today. Said at £20m he was a bargain, as he was sensational last season. In fact Holloway spoke a lot of sense, basically disagreed with everything Allardyce said the other day and said that we needed to buy lots of players and had a done a very good job this summer. The fickle bellend that I am, I now really like Ian Holloway.
About time somebody said it ;)
Post by: Smoke on July 26, 2019, 04:36:16 PM
Our old friend Ian Holloway was incredibly complimentary about Mings on Talksport earlier today. Said at £20m he was a bargain, as he was sensational last season. In fact Holloway spoke a lot of sense, basically disagreed with everything Allardyce said the other day and said that we needed to buy lots of players and had a done a very good job this summer. The fickle bellend that I am, I now really like Ian Holloway.
I was as pissed off as the next man when all those years ago he called us "a half arsed club who used to be famous" but fuck me he was right! We just didn't know it yet. Thankfully that Villa died at Wembley after the defeat to Fulham.
Generally speaks sense on talksport when he's on.
Anyone who actually watched in the championship has rubbished the "are villa doing a fulham?" Claims , Allardyce = half arsed pundit who used to be famous.
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 10:45:36 PM
Class.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 01, 2019, 10:55:19 PM
I've got serious man love for this guy.
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
Post by: Border villan on August 02, 2019, 05:24:57 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on August 02, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 04, 2019, 01:17:47 AM
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the ****** with one punch
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
So you effectively cannot wait to see one our players sent off and banned. Really?
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 08:39:46 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2019, 08:45:05 AM
Our old friend Ian Holloway was incredibly complimentary about Mings on Talksport earlier today. Said at £20m he was a bargain, as he was sensational last season. In fact Holloway spoke a lot of sense, basically disagreed with everything Allardyce said the other day and said that we needed to buy lots of players and had a done a very good job this summer. The fickle bellend that I am, I now really like Ian Holloway.
I was as pissed off as the next man when all those years ago he called us "a half arsed club who used to be famous" but fuck me he was right! We just didn't know it yet. Thankfully that Villa died at Wembley after the defeat to Fulham.
Generally speaks sense on talksport when he's on.
Anyone who actually watched in the championship has rubbished the "are villa doing a fulham?" Claims , Allardyce = half arsed pundit who used to be famous.
He was right then and he's right now, but he didn't have to say that at the time, especially in the context of the situation. We were looking to sign one of his better players at Blackpool. Yes, fucking Blackpool. As half arsed as we were, it would always be a big career improvement for the player, he was unproffesional and delusional to come out with that. He'd have looked less of a tosser by simply saying 'if Aston Villa think they're going to sign Charlie Adam they can go fuck themselves'.
Post by: themossman on August 04, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
And dare I say it, now the nightmare appears to be over, I can admit that he was pretty much right all along when he was slagging us off, predicting we would flounder in the championship etc.
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2019, 09:14:58 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 04, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
So you effectively cannot wait to see one our players sent off and banned. Really?
I think it was tongue in cheek.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2019, 09:35:00 AM
I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
So you effectively cannot wait to see one our players sent off and banned. Really?
I think it was tongue in cheek.
As long as it's with 3 games to go after we've wrapped up the title I'm down with it.
That Werner started gobbing off at Jack when he'd chopped him down, then absolutely shat himself when Tyrone approached.
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.Oh like this type of thing https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/49179874
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2019, 09:53:48 AM
*I don't normally condone that sort of thing but I liked Leighton Phillips.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 04, 2019, 10:12:48 AM
That said, I also liked Leighton Phillips.
Post by: themossman on August 04, 2019, 11:38:02 AM
I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.Oh like this type of thing https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/49179874
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
How does a MLB pitcher miss a punch from 2 feet away?
I also loved the Mings/Werner scuffle. No harm in our hard players stepping in to protect other players, within reason. It says good things about team spirit.
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2019, 11:51:09 AM
Crazy ain't it? But arguably for the best considering the size of him.I hope I'm watching the match when Mings eventually beats the crap out of some POS for a dirty tackle on Grealish.Oh like this type of thing https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/baseball/49179874
It'll be fucking awesome - he'll drop the c*** with one punch
How does a MLB pitcher miss a punch from 2 feet away?
Post by: nigel on August 04, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
Of those of you old enough to recall, do you remember a game at home against Spurs where after being fouled by Naylor I think it was, Leighton Phillips grabbed him by the shirt front and pulled him up off the floor and as Naylor came up so Phillip's head came down full force into Naylor's face. The referee, linesmen and most of the Spurs team missed it completely. The perfect retribution* Phillips was yards away before the referee had his attention drawn to it.
*I don't normally condone that sort of thing but I liked Leighton Phillips.
Leighton also fronted Kenny Burns after he sythed John Robson. Burns was a hard fcuker, but, I think even he shat himself.
Was a good one to have around wax our Leighton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 10, 2019, 09:05:57 PM
The ball seemed to be magically attracted to his head and boot. Outstanding display.
100 % agree
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2019, 10:02:55 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
The ball seemed to be magically attracted to his head and boot. Outstanding display.
Yep.
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2019, 11:24:51 PM
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2019, 11:44:20 PM
There are lot of compliments all around for his performance today however I think he will be disappointed that Kane picked up two goals.
It was constant pressure 2nd half that the midfield just didn't alleviate.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 11:47:50 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2019, 12:00:09 AM
Post by: ROBBO on August 11, 2019, 12:31:02 AM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2019, 12:37:46 AM
There are lot of compliments all around for his performance today however I think he will be disappointed that Kane picked up two goals.
It was constant pressure 2nd half that the midfield just didn't alleviate.
And Kane's 1st took almighty lucky deflections of both Mings and Engels that landed it on a plate for him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2019, 12:42:25 AM
He appears to have unlocked the same ball magnet skill Terry had as a player.
I think Terry has had a huge effect on Mings. I want us to get Guilbert in there with Targett as soon as possible. While Elmo and Taylor did ok they are decent back ups at most.
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2019, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: andyh on August 11, 2019, 12:44:45 PM
There are a few clubs that have forwards as good as Spurs so he won’t come under a barrage like that every week.
He will be even better when he plays in games where he has a little more time to show what a good footballer he is and will prove that the fee we paid was an absolute steal.
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2019, 01:04:09 PM
Mings at £20m and Harry Maguire at £85m? I honestly would swap Tyrone for Maguire, would you?
Nope. I think Tyrone's a better player, then there's the intangible qualities he has. I wouldn't swap him for anybody to be honest.
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2019, 01:09:39 PM
Mings at £20m and Harry Maguire at £85m? I honestly would swap Tyrone for Maguire, would you?
Nope. I think Tyrone's a better player, then there's the intangible qualities he has. I wouldn't swap him for anybody to be honest.
Sorry, typo error - I wouldn't swap Tyrone for Maguire! Bloomin' predictive text!
Post by: gpbarr on August 11, 2019, 03:06:57 PM
Mings and Engels will become the best CH duo in this league if we push on.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2019, 04:01:22 PM
Excellent again yesterday on the whole. Really think him and Engels have the makings of an excellent partnership
Post by: thick_mike on August 11, 2019, 04:52:13 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 13, 2019, 06:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1161313965797810181?s=19
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
More bollocks from rent-a-gob.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1161313965797810181?s=19
Get people wound up so they call in and defend their clubs.
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 13, 2019, 09:40:31 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2019, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on August 13, 2019, 10:00:38 PM
Prick.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
I don’t care what he said. I don’t mind Durham but he’s wrong here. And I expect him to admit it later this season. Mings will prove all of us 100% right to buy him and prove everyone else wrong to doubt him. Same goes for Jack.
Well said. Completely agree.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
Well, Durham's never wrong is he? We might as well give up.
Prick.
I don't know much about him, and if he's a prick he's a prick. That comment about Mings/us, though, doesn't make him a prick, surely? It might be wrong (and it might be right) but for somebody who makes a living by giving an opinion about largely unimportant fluff, that sounded pretty harmless to me.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 13, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 13, 2019, 11:50:38 PM
It’s idiotic.
Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2019, 12:15:50 AM
In the past few days, bell ends like Danny Murphy and Sam Allardyce have been talking absolute bollocks on that station. Durham can be OK, but I guess it's his job to provoke a reaction. I can take his point of view, but Murphy, Fat Sam, Cascarino, etc, talk a load of rubbish.
Danny Murphy seems to have a real dislike of us. Not sure why.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2019, 12:21:15 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 14, 2019, 12:22:15 AM
Why do people listen to Talk crap?
It’s idiotic.
So is pretty much all of the media, to be honest.
Better off reading a book, or tending your garden. If you have a dog, take it for a walk.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2019, 06:46:38 AM
I've never understood how certain ex-players end up with careers as pundits on the TV. Especially absolute thunder twats like Danny Murphy and Jermaine Jenas.
Jenas got the gig thanks to his electric personality.
Post by: London Villan on August 14, 2019, 06:57:00 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on August 14, 2019, 07:09:14 AM
Why do people listen to Talk crap?
It’s idiotic.
I’m with you. Talk Sport is the radio equivalent of click bait.
Post by: Brassneck on August 14, 2019, 07:18:21 AM
In the past few days, bell ends like Danny Murphy and Sam Allardyce have been talking absolute bollocks on that station. Durham can be OK, but I guess it's his job to provoke a reaction. I can take his point of view, but Murphy, Fat Sam, Cascarino, etc, talk a load of rubbish.
Danny Murphy seems to have a real dislike of us. Not sure why.
Yes - What could we possibly have done to provoke such a level of dislike from him? We've clearly upset him at some point in the past and he hasn't been able to move on from it.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 14, 2019, 08:37:12 AM
Tyrone and Engels are a good partnership in the making. Together with Tom they will make a formidable defensive unit. UTV!
Post by: danno on August 14, 2019, 08:39:15 AM
In the past few days, bell ends like Danny Murphy and Sam Allardyce have been talking absolute bollocks on that station. Durham can be OK, but I guess it's his job to provoke a reaction. I can take his point of view, but Murphy, Fat Sam, Cascarino, etc, talk a load of rubbish.
Danny Murphy seems to have a real dislike of us. Not sure why.
Yes - What could we possibly have done to provoke such a level of dislike from him? We've clearly upset him at some point in the past and he hasn't been able to move on from it.
We probably chanted "you're just a shit Mark Draper" at him.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2019, 01:28:12 PM
Wish they would introduce Alladyce as former England manager, for one game until he was sacked due to being caught trying to syphon off money with agents, England Manager
I do however try to listen to Hawksbee & Jacobs as often as possible as I find them genuine and genuinely funny as well.
Durham = basic clickbait aimed usually at Trevor the United fan who lives with his Mom in Dorset and has never been to a game but knows all the "stats"
"Man city - Better than United now?" - "Call in the number is...…."
And as for the thicko that is Darren Gough - not sure if he was any good at cricket as I don't follow it but as a presenter he is nothing but Cnut fluff
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 14, 2019, 06:55:46 PM
Yesterday, Gough said that we had a decent squad, and Snodgrass had come off the bench for us on Saturday......Hawksbee and Jacobs are genuinely entertaining, and Durham tries to provoke a reaction. Today, he said that Yaya Toure was one of his top 5 central midfielders of the PL era....
Post by: Axl Rose on August 15, 2019, 12:37:24 AM
It's a very sad thread, but an amazing reminder of how kind alot of people are in this world. Gives you hope, really.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyBoucher71/status/1160966704794624001
Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2019, 12:59:58 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2019, 01:02:44 AM
I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, but once again, Tyrone showing that he's an excellent human being. Extremely glad he's one of us.
It's a very sad thread, but an amazing reminder of how kind alot of people are in this world. Gives you hope, really.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyBoucher71/status/1160966704794624001
My God, that's a tough thread to read (not that I wasn't warned)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2019, 01:02:45 AM
Post by: GarTomas on August 15, 2019, 07:44:07 AM
Occasionally listen to Talksport and agree most of them spout utter drivel to lure callers in. Agree on Simon Jordan he actually gives some good insight on ownership etc from his time at Palace.
Class from Mings - the players can’t pick up on everything sent their way though and hope he and others aren’t criticised for doing nothing for another person going through something similar.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 15, 2019, 07:12:28 PM
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
@FootballJOE
If ever an asteroid is found to be on a collision course with Earth, someone tell Tyrone Mings to just head it clear
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
Hopefully the injury he suffered in the warm up doesn't get worse. He only played after a pain killing injection apparently. Definitely needs to be rested for Crewe.
I think Smith will rest him on Tuesday. I hope we don't make too many changes though as consistency would be good.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
Post by: Border villan on August 24, 2019, 05:50:53 PM
We should be able to win without Mings. Bring in Konsa and if Hause is a little fitter toss him on the bench should we be able to give Engels a break late on.“Toss him on the bench”. I hope that there are no cameras about.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on August 24, 2019, 07:51:47 PM
Hopefully the injury he suffered in the warm up doesn't get worse. He only played after a pain killing injection apparently. Definitely needs to be rested for Crewe.
I think Smith will rest him on Tuesday. I hope we don't make too many changes though as consistency would be good.
I reckon Steer, Konsa, Targett, Hourihane, maybe Hause and Kodija if fit will get run-outs.
Which to be fair doesn't look a bad set of replacements at all for a league cup match against Crewe.
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
Hopefully the injury he suffered in the warm up doesn't get worse. He only played after a pain killing injection apparently. Definitely needs to be rested for Crewe.
I think Smith will rest him on Tuesday. I hope we don't make too many changes though as consistency would be good.
I reckon Steer, Konsa, Targett, Hourihane, maybe Hause and Kodija if fit will get run-outs.
Which to be fair doesn't look a bad set of reeplacements at all for a league cup match against Crewe.
Marvelous will play i think.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on August 24, 2019, 09:30:13 PM
Hopefully the injury he suffered in the warm up doesn't get worse. He only played after a pain killing injection apparently. Definitely needs to be rested for Crewe.
I think Smith will rest him on Tuesday. I hope we don't make too many changes though as consistency would be good.
I reckon Steer, Konsa, Targett, Hourihane, maybe Hause and Kodija if fit will get run-outs.
Which to be fair doesn't look a bad set of replacements at all for a league cup match against Crewe.
Marvelous will play i think.
Oh yeah, forgot him. Probably.
Post by: Dazvillain on August 29, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 29, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on August 29, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 29, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
However I have tickets for both the Bulgaria and Kosovo games so would love to see Tyrone at some point.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 29, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
Can't find the announcement anywhere.
Squad is officially announced at 2pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2019, 01:20:46 PM
But will he be pulled out due to his recovery and rest needed from his injury v Everton.
Brilliant news that he's part of the England national team squad. Left footed central defender with most blocks in the league and likes to pass out from the back !
Ticks all the boxes
Him and Konsa could be destined to be the defence at Qatar 2022!
Post by: Villa75 on August 29, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 29, 2019, 01:42:48 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/5jcrZTw/B271-FBD8-2-DFE-421-B-B8-FE-162-D2-B9-C3-F54.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5jcrZTw)
aluminum hydroxide powder (https://aluminumsulfate.net/aluminum-hydroxide)
Wonderful. Well done big fella.
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 29, 2019, 01:50:39 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on August 29, 2019, 01:52:25 PM
In the England squad !!👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Cue the meltdown on SHA and Molipuke Mix
Post by: remy on August 29, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
My favourite is previously Bournemouth thought they'd get one over us by making us pay through the nose. They didn't realise the player they had on their hands. ha!
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1167059776771153921?s=12
Post by: Ger Regan on August 29, 2019, 02:06:48 PM
As for our past history of losing players to get picked for england, Tyrone is the person i'd worry about the least in this regard.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 29, 2019, 02:12:26 PM
You can quote me on this later - we will be a top 6 club by 2022.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2019, 02:12:30 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 29, 2019, 02:12:44 PM
You know we're on our way back if any of us get picked for England...(Heaton in too)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2019, 02:13:53 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?
What club does Jesse Lingard play for?
Wes Brown and Phil Jones have fifty caps between them! 🤣
Post by: Pete3206 on August 29, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?
What club does Jesse Lingard play for?
Wes Brown and Phil Jones have fifty caps between them! 🤣
See also, Oxlade-Chamberlain
Post by: darren woolley on August 29, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
Post by: andyh on August 29, 2019, 02:19:06 PM
Hahahaha
Post by: FatSam on August 29, 2019, 02:19:13 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?I think Barnes plays for Austria.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 02:23:57 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?I think Barnes plays for Austria.
He played for the U20’s a while back but recently his citizenship request was denied to play for the full side. So he’s eligible for England. Given his outstanding form you’d think he’d have picked.
Post by: Villan For Life on August 29, 2019, 02:24:22 PM
I think we are a different club now. In the past the likes of Southgate, Barry, Young etc got their heads turned when on England duty. A lack of ambition is generally quoted as the cause and this was certainly true during the Ellis years. However if you consider how we stood up to Spuds over Jack then you can’t accuse us of a lack of ambition. Villa are on the way back and I’m sure that before the end of the season some of his team mates will join him in the England squad.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2019, 02:28:54 PM
Mixed feelings on his predicted England call up. Delighted for Tyrone but I also remember that as soon as Barry / Milner / Young etc became England regulars, they were quickly off to join a top 6 club. Really hope that doesn’t happen.
You can quote me on this later - we will be a top 6 club by 2022.
We were a top 6 club when we had those three.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2019, 02:31:38 PM
Thoroughly deserved call up. Well done Tyrone
That's probably cost us another million or two in add ons
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2019, 02:32:58 PM
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2019, 02:35:13 PM
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2019, 02:36:24 PM
Presumably if he plays, that'll be one of the triggers to give Bournemouth some more cash.
I truly hope that he triggers all of the extra payments this year, because that will mean he's played for England, stayed fit and played lots of games for us and we've finihed in a decent position in the league.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 29, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
I have zero idea why that link is there !! I thought I’d uploaded a pic of the sky sports app headline !!
After using the image upload, you need to edit out the advertising link
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?I think Barnes plays for Austria.
Played for their Under Something-or-other side and wanted to play for the senior team.
However, I'm sure there was an article a while back about him not being eligible any more
EDIT - as was pointed out subsequently
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 02:49:24 PM
Presumably if he plays, that'll be one of the triggers to give Bournemouth some more cash.
I truly hope that he triggers all of the extra payments this year, because that will mean he's played for England, stayed fit and played lots of games for us and we've finihed in a decent position in the league.
It was rumoured that it was £20m rising to £26m if all the clauses were met. The way he has made the transition to the PL, in today’s market even at £26m we have fucking mugged Bournemouth.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 29, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Presumably if he plays, that'll be one of the triggers to give Bournemouth some more cash.
I truly hope that he triggers all of the extra payments this year, because that will mean he's played for England, stayed fit and played lots of games for us and we've finihed in a decent position in the league.
If he plays 100 games for us this season, he’ll have done really well! 😉
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 29, 2019, 02:54:30 PM
That £1m was the difference between us getting promoted instead of them and has, and will make us tens of millions of pounds.
Funny.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2019, 03:06:36 PM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 29, 2019, 03:12:33 PM
The news hasn't got down well on knuckledragginginbreds.com
Let me guess, it’s either due the fact that Prince William has told Southgate to pick him, or some rambling nonsense about how The Vile always cheat / bribe the league / pay off the establishment etc
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 29, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2019, 03:30:06 PM
The news hasn't got down well on knuckledragginginbreds.com
The Noses and the Wolves in particular are very salty.
Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2019, 03:35:07 PM
Tyrone Mings fits Aston Villa like a glove. They go together better than mince pies and Christmas.
Commercial opportunity: "Mings Pies".
Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2019, 03:36:07 PM
Tyrone Mings fits Aston Villa like a glove. They go together better than mince pies and Christmas.
Commercial opportunity: "Mings Pies".
I'll take ten of them!
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 29, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
How does Ashley Barnes miss out but Jesse Lingard gets in?I think Barnes plays for Austria.
I wonder if his call up activates any more add ons.
Edit. Already discussed. should read to the end.
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2019, 04:01:08 PM
Post by: vilan461 on August 29, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
Post by: exigo on August 29, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 29, 2019, 04:12:20 PM
Please, not Christmas! It's only August...Tyrone Mings fits Aston Villa like a glove. They go together better than mince pies and Christmas.
Commercial opportunity: "Mings Pies".
I'll take ten of them!
Post by: exigo on August 29, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
Weren't we recently overtaken by Spurs for the most England players overall? This will help us restore our rightful place at the top of the pile.
In fact, here we go.
Most players by club linky (http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html)
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 29, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Weren't we recently overtaken by Spurs for the most England players overall? This will help us restore our rightful place at the top of the pile.
In fact, here we go.
Most players by club linky (http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html)
Why does that table only show Villa's record from 1908? And other lesser clubs from earlier years?
England have been playing internationals since 1870. So I don't believe the Villa stats are correct.
Post by: manic-road on August 29, 2019, 04:52:32 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 29, 2019, 05:01:18 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2019, 05:05:33 PM
And I couldn't resist looking at MM and it is very very funny.
Post by: oldtimernow on August 29, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
Go for it!
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 29, 2019, 05:13:50 PM
Post by: The Edge on August 29, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
Great spot sir! Being THE dominant club prior to 1908 that must surely put us ahead of the spuds. Congratulations Tyrone. Stick with us son you'll go a long way.Weren't we recently overtaken by Spurs for the most England players overall? This will help us restore our rightful place at the top of the pile.
In fact, here we go.
Most players by club linky (http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html)
Why does that table only show Villa's record from 1908? And other lesser clubs from earlier years?
England have been playing internationals since 1870. So I don't believe the Villa stats are correct.
Post by: Villa Lew on August 29, 2019, 05:38:09 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2019, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: The Edge on August 29, 2019, 05:48:33 PM
And plenty of "experts" like Danny Murphy reckon we were the ones who got mugged.Presumably if he plays, that'll be one of the triggers to give Bournemouth some more cash.
I truly hope that he triggers all of the extra payments this year, because that will mean he's played for England, stayed fit and played lots of games for us and we've finihed in a decent position in the league.
It was rumoured that it was £20m rising to £26m if all the clauses were met. The way he has made the transition to the PL, in today’s market even at £26m we have fucking mugged Bournemouth.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 29, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
The actual list of Villa's England players appears to be complete if you click on the club name because Oliver Vaughton and Arthur Brown, Villa' first two internationals in 1882, are shown.Weren't we recently overtaken by Spurs for the most England players overall? This will help us restore our rightful place at the top of the pile.
In fact, here we go.
Most players by club linky (http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html)
Why does that table only show Villa's record from 1908? And other lesser clubs from earlier years?
England have been playing internationals since 1870. So I don't believe the Villa stats are correct.
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 29, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
Great spot sir! Being THE dominant club prior to 1908 that must surely put us ahead of the spuds. Congratulations Tyrone. Stick with us son you'll go a long way.Weren't we recently overtaken by Spurs for the most England players overall? This will help us restore our rightful place at the top of the pile.
In fact, here we go.
Most players by club linky (http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamClubs/MostPlyrs.html)
Why does that table only show Villa's record from 1908? And other lesser clubs from earlier years?
England have been playing internationals since 1870. So I don't believe the Villa stats are correct.
If you click on the Aston Villa link, it does list all the players, including those before 1908. So the number of plyers would seem to be correct. But can't explain the 1908.
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 29, 2019, 06:19:51 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 29, 2019, 06:31:21 PM
........right??
Post by: The Edge on August 29, 2019, 06:36:15 PM
Bit late on this but Ty being called up is wonderful news. I do worry since he's injury prone that it increases the chances of him picking up an injury (or aggravating his groin if that's still a niggle after Friday), but I suppose the chances of him playing many international minutes is slim for the moment.......Who knows? Southgate pointed out that one big thing in his favour is that he's a left sided defender. It's a bit of a niche position so you never know.
........right??
Post by: CT on August 29, 2019, 06:39:04 PM
Well done TM, fully deserved.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 29, 2019, 06:47:16 PM
Well done Southgate players picked on form not.reputation
Post by: Pete3206 on August 29, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
Brilliant
Well done Southgate players picked on form not.reputation
Lingard?
Ox?
Barkley?
Post by: Border villan on August 29, 2019, 07:28:15 PM
Harry Wanks?Brilliant
Well done Southgate players picked on form not.reputation
Lingard?
Ox?
Barkley?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2019, 07:35:40 PM
Post by: pooligan on August 29, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 29, 2019, 08:43:09 PM
Absolutely right! He'll probably be up for the Balloon Door too.
This really made me laugh, the dense doofus.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2019, 08:45:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 29, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Bit late on this but Ty being called up is wonderful news. I do worry since he's injury prone that it increases the chances of him picking up an injury (or aggravating his groin if that's still a niggle after Friday), but I suppose the chances of him playing many international minutes is slim for the moment.......Who knows? Southgate pointed out that one big thing in his favour is that he's a left sided defender. It's a bit of a niche position so you never know.
........right??
Some news site said Southgate will probably play him as left back as he is missing some and Mings could play there. Yes, take one of the most consistent Left sided centre backs in 2019 and play him as Left Back.....
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
If he doesn't make the England squad by the end of the season then we'll know Southgate has something wrong in his brain.
...sooner than expected admittedly! 😊👍
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2019, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: mike on August 29, 2019, 10:18:14 PM
Post by: The Edge on August 29, 2019, 10:23:07 PM
That's not what i meant. His position is left side of the central pairing no left back.Bit late on this but Ty being called up is wonderful news. I do worry since he's injury prone that it increases the chances of him picking up an injury (or aggravating his groin if that's still a niggle after Friday), but I suppose the chances of him playing many international minutes is slim for the moment.......Who knows? Southgate pointed out that one big thing in his favour is that he's a left sided defender. It's a bit of a niche position so you never know.
........right??
Some news site said Southgate will probably play him as left back as he is missing some and Mings could play there. Yes, take one of the most consistent Left sided centre backs in 2019 and play him as Left Back.....
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2019, 11:07:50 PM
"He's an outstanding athlete and I see a lot of potential and time for growth given the number of games he's played.
Post by: Villafirst on August 29, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 29, 2019, 11:49:38 PM
That's not what i meant. His position is left side of the central pairing no left back.Bit late on this but Ty being called up is wonderful news. I do worry since he's injury prone that it increases the chances of him picking up an injury (or aggravating his groin if that's still a niggle after Friday), but I suppose the chances of him playing many international minutes is slim for the moment.......Who knows? Southgate pointed out that one big thing in his favour is that he's a left sided defender. It's a bit of a niche position so you never know.
........right??
Some news site said Southgate will probably play him as left back as he is missing some and Mings could play there. Yes, take one of the most consistent Left sided centre backs in 2019 and play him as Left Back.....
Sorry, I knew what you meant, only used your post to illustrate other external peoples assumption as left back play is the only reason he was chosen.
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2019, 07:03:54 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 30, 2019, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 30, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
Wolves fans fuming that Coady isn't in the England squad. They reckon he's much better than Mings. Tyrone is a special talent and a better player than even Harry Maguire in my opinion. He's left footed so that should give him an advantage. Coady is good but not exceptional.
Whenever I've watched Wolves recently, I've always thought that Coady is one of their worst players. Boly is much better than him.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 30, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 30, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
Post by: dean saunders left boot on August 30, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/11797597/eddie-howe-praises-mentally-tough-tyrone-mings-after-england-call-up
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2019, 02:28:16 PM
Eddie Howe has praised Mings here
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/11797597/eddie-howe-praises-mentally-tough-tyrone-mings-after-england-call-up
Classy from Howe there.
Post by: The Edge on August 30, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
Ahh crossed wires lol. It's the usual thing with a villa player. They always go under everyones radar, pundits and fans from other clubs alike. I've a feeling that will change in the near future. I look forward to that day when it will be impossible to ignore our club and our players.That's not what i meant. His position is left side of the central pairing no left back.Bit late on this but Ty being called up is wonderful news. I do worry since he's injury prone that it increases the chances of him picking up an injury (or aggravating his groin if that's still a niggle after Friday), but I suppose the chances of him playing many international minutes is slim for the moment.......Who knows? Southgate pointed out that one big thing in his favour is that he's a left sided defender. It's a bit of a niche position so you never know.
........right??
Some news site said Southgate will probably play him as left back as he is missing some and Mings could play there. Yes, take one of the most consistent Left sided centre backs in 2019 and play him as Left Back.....
Sorry, I knew what you meant, only used your post to illustrate other external peoples assumption as left back play is the only reason he was chosen.
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2019, 02:49:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1167436817022406656?s=12
Will establish Tyrone Mings as even more awesome than previously established levels of awesomeness
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2019, 04:32:07 PM
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2019, 06:14:50 AM
Post by: brian green on August 31, 2019, 07:44:05 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 01, 2019, 07:04:27 PM
Post by: Brassneck on September 02, 2019, 01:55:08 AM
He's here, he's there, he's everywhere, he's villa's centre half.
No swearing - He'll love this one.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 03, 2019, 01:20:03 AM
Post by: in exile on September 03, 2019, 09:37:13 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 03, 2019, 11:52:44 PM
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I wished he wasn't on that list because the only reason he is so high is all the pressure invited on in the last four matches.
Post by: OCD on September 04, 2019, 03:48:45 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 04, 2019, 03:52:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 04, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
Jack 3.3 fouls ppg
Currently the top 2.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 04, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1169281058816348160?s=20
Post by: Pete3206 on September 04, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
Post by: Dave on September 04, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
Guess there is a lot of screen time to fill in international weeks.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 04, 2019, 09:34:38 PM
Sky Sports were in our office today interviewing people about when Mings used to work with us.
Guess there is a lot of screen time to fill in international weeks.
You didn’t jump in to rant about the referee’s decision on Saturday?
Post by: Ad@m on September 04, 2019, 09:48:08 PM
Others are starting to see just what an intelligent, well spoken individual Tyrone Mings is. Hopefully they will see what a super player he is when he makes his international debut.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1169281058816348160?s=20
I hope they don't.
It wasn't that long ago that every time a Villa player went on international duty with England the first thing they did when they came back was put a transfer request in.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 04, 2019, 09:52:02 PM
She was lovely to talk to and has promised me that Tyrone will never leave Villa as he loves it here and also loves Deano!
Post by: four fornicholl on September 04, 2019, 10:04:41 PM
I rather randomly got talking to Tyrone’s mom on Saturday at Selhurst Park. She’d spotted my son’s Villa top with MINGS 40 on the back and proudly came over to tell us that that was “her boy!”;D ;D ;D
She was lovely to talk to and has promised me that Tyrone will never leave Villa as he loves it here and also loves Deano!
Post by: Lizz on September 04, 2019, 11:24:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 05, 2019, 01:11:30 AM
Others are starting to see just what an intelligent, well spoken individual Tyrone Mings is. Hopefully they will see what a super player he is when he makes his international debut.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1169281058816348160?s=20
I hope they don't.
It wasn't that long ago that every time a Villa player went on international duty with England the first thing they did when they came back was put a transfer request in.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Ad@m. We have to stop thinking this way. We have to want our players to be good enough, even great enough to play for their countries. Not just English players but across all nationalities. And as importantly we need to create an environment at our own clubs that the players feel their personal ambitions are being met. In the end football is a food chain and heads can and will be turned at any time. Not just on international duty, but when these guys have time off and end up on holiday in the summer even. They're not daft. They can see what is happening at other clubs. They know what's happening at their own. Back when we lost those players you hinted at Man City were on an incredibly rise and buying up whoever they wanted. Young joined a very powerful Man U. Downing was a cock but joined Liverpool.
We have to make sure that as our players get recognised that we do all we can to keep them. Leicester kept Vardy but in the end lost Kante to Chelsea, Mahrez to Man City, Maguire to Man U yet have bought well and remain really strong. It's going to happen and when it does we need to build from it. And if Mings, SJM or Jack becomes all they can be we could lose all of them unless we build around them a team that will compete for more staying above 17th and a decent cup run.
Post by: OCD on September 06, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 07, 2019, 06:49:22 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 07, 2019, 11:41:22 PM
Sky Sports were in our office today interviewing people about when Mings used to work with us.
Guess there is a lot of screen time to fill in international weeks.
Did you know him Dave?
Post by: kieron on September 10, 2019, 08:48:32 PM
5-1 up, you'd hope so?
Post by: Dogtanian on September 10, 2019, 08:53:59 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on September 10, 2019, 09:28:10 PM
Also, he’s better than the other defenders, which would be bad for the comeback
C’mon you Kosovo
Post by: SaddVillan on September 10, 2019, 10:25:13 PM
Post by: in exile on September 11, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 11, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
I see Tyrone has suffered racial abuse on Instagram by some pre pubescent Wolves fan
These people are a disgrace.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 11, 2019, 12:54:06 PM
I see Tyrone has suffered racial abuse on Instagram by some pre pubescent Wolves fan
These people are a disgrace.
Is this because Cody was not chosen
Fuck me slag him off for all manner of things but really???
Its 2019 but obviously not in Wolverhampton
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 11, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
Post by: mike on September 12, 2019, 07:55:25 PM
I see Tyrone has suffered racial abuse on Instagram by some pre pubescent Wolves fan
I dont really follow them, but I presume Wolves have no BME players, then?
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 12, 2019, 07:59:49 PM
I see Tyrone has suffered racial abuse on Instagram by some pre pubescent Wolves fan
I dont really follow them, but I presume Wolves have no BME players, then?
A Nose on there said it was ironic as we have the most racist fans in the country. They really do think of themselves as a cross between Nelson Mandela and Gandhi.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 12, 2019, 08:31:11 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcted/status/1104839641688141832
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
I was slightly stunned, but asked him which defender better than Mings is there who we could have got for £20m. No reply, eejit.
Post by: amfy on September 12, 2019, 11:03:07 PM
We had one only a couple of days ago who managed to be an example of ‘what Villa fans are like’. These people are out there on their own and we need to disown them from football rather than using them as a way to bait each other.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2019, 03:31:26 AM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1172212027076632577?s=12
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 14, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/13/tyrone-mings-everything-with-academy-my-idea
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 14, 2019, 11:41:07 AM
What a top bloke:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/13/tyrone-mings-everything-with-academy-my-idea
A true Gentleman
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
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Tyrone Mings: ‘My best development came from enjoying my football’
Stuart James @StuartJamesGNM
Fri 13 Sep 2019 20.36 BST First published on Fri 13 Sep 2019 20.00 BST
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Aston Villa’s Tyrone Mings joins in with youngsters at the opening of his Birmingham academy. Mings says he missed out on enjoying football with his friends when he was young. Photograph: Fabio de Paolo/The Guardian
The Aston Villa defender believes intensity can destroy the pleasure and has set up two academies based on this principle
It is just before 6.30pm on Wednesday, less than 24 hours after England defeated Kosovo in an eight-goal thriller, and Harry Kane is refusing to give Tyrone Mings a moment’s peace on a five-a-side pitch in Birmingham. This Kane is so small, though, that he could almost run between Mings’ legs. “Incredible, isn’t it? He could have at least put a Mings shirt on!” the Aston Villa defender says, laughing about one of the youngsters at his new academy.
Mings chuckles and shakes his head as he allows himself a moment to take in everything that has gone on during the last week. “To see people running around with Kane shirts on here … I’m still a Kane fan myself. He’s an England player and until I step on the pitch with him, I wouldn’t class myself as one. But they’re people I was in the changing room with last night; all week I’ve been training with, competing against and learning from them. I probably don’t realise what level I’m at because I don’t see myself as that person.”
“Tyrone from Chippenham” is how Mings described himself when we met five years ago, at a time when he was starting to cause a bit of a stir with Ipswich in the Championship. While his life has changed so much since then, his personality is just the same. For the best part of an hour Mings has been playing football with 36 children, aged six to 16, on the artificial pitches in Nechells, less than a couple of miles from Villa Park. At 6ft 5in and with a wide grin, he is the biggest kid of the lot.
Refreshingly, there is nobody holding Mings’ hand, telling him where to go and what to do, or ushering him out of the door as soon as the photographs have been taken, which is often the case with footballers. In fact, long after training has finished Mings is posing for pictures not only with the children and their parents but also with the five-a-side footballers who turned up to play on the pitches next door and did a double-take when they realised that the newest member of Gareth Southgate’s England squad was a few yards away.
“Everything that has happened with the academy so far has been my idea,” Mings says, proudly. “I always wanted to give something back. And the message we wanted to send out by setting up the academy was that we’re not trying to take people away from what they’re currently doing with their clubs, and that we want to give children the experiences I felt were beneficial to me growing up, and that was that my best development came from enjoying my football and not feeling that I had to worry about a result, getting in the team or disappointing or impressing someone.”
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Tyrone Mings has set up academies in Bristol and Birmingham with children charged £6 a session. Photograph: Fabio de Paolo/The Guardian
With A licence coaches overseeing his academies in Bristol and now Birmingham, and children charged £6 a session, it is put to Mings that he cannot be making any money out of this venture. “It costs me a fortune,” he replies, laughing. “Nah, it doesn’t cost me a fortune but it does cost me money.
“We only use a certain type of pitch and location. We like to have more coaches than we need, to give more of a human element to the coaching. The coaches who are managing the sessions are qualified to a high level – they’re more expensive but that’s a choice that we make. If we have poor coaches, that’s a reflection of me and a reflection of what we think we can give to the kids.”
There is an interesting debate to be had around young children playing football in non-pressurised environments, similar to the one Mings has set up, or joining a professional club. Mings was released by Southampton at 15 and, much as he enjoyed being with a professional club at the time, he now sees things a little differently. “I think I missed out on so many good experiences – maybe priceless experiences – playing with my friends when I was growing up. I was in an academy from the age of eight. I couldn’t play for my grassroots team then. It’s incredible, really, because what are they really protecting?
“For parents it’s a difficult option to turn down. If you want your child to be a footballer, it’s so hard to know whether they will ever get that chance again. But knowing what I know now, I think I would try and keep them away for as long as possible. Kids will never go under the radar any more because there are so many scouts at grassroots level. Also, if you come out of a professional academy, it’s a very lonely place for a child and some kids don’t bounce back from it.”
Mings is the exception to the rule, not just in terms of bouncing back but getting to the very top. Reporting to St George’s Park last week was a surreal moment for him. “I remember going into dinner and sitting around the table for the first time and thinking: ‘Bloody hell, it feels crazy to be sitting here with these people.’ People who I see as being at the pinnacle of English football, people who have just won the Champions League, won the Premier League, played in the World Cup semi-finals. It was baffling. Really baffling.”
Not that Mings felt out of his depth when it mattered. “I had a good few conversations with the manager. His feedback was positive. I felt like I gave a good account of myself in and around the camp. Unfortunately I didn’t get any minutes but I’ll be so much better for the experience when that day does eventually come.
“And even going back to Villa, I said to the England manager that this has lit a fire in me that I never even knew was there. I’ve seen the other side of the fence. This is something I could only have dreamed of at times. So to go there and be involved in the set-up has sent me back to Villa even hungrier.”
It is clear Mings is in a good place following his permanent transfer from Bournemouth, where he “never felt like a real integral part of the squad”. At Villa, he talks about being able to play with freedom, partly because of the faith that Dean Smith, the manager, has in him but also because of his relationship with the supporters.
He is a hero to many, especially the youngsters. “It’s something I take great pride in but I don’t see myself as what those kids see me as tonight, which is probably a good thing,” Mings adds, smiling. “I still have the same group of friends from school and I’ve stayed humble. So while it’s really nice to see those kids look up to me, I’ll go home in a minute, have some Haribo, flick the TV on and go back to normal.”
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 15, 2019, 12:34:47 PM
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Superstar defender Tyrone Mings admits Aston Villa may have had their "pants pulled down" when striking a deal to sign the centre-back from Bournemouth.
The 26-year-old finally penned a permanent contract at Villa Park in the summer after the Cherries demanded a much higher price than Villa were initially willing to pay.
In the end and, after brutal rounds of negotiation with Eddie Howe's Cherries, a fixed fee of £20million was agreed which could, depending on appearances for Villa and England, rocket to £26.5million.
Mings, meanwhile, told BirminghamLive how he valued himself at around the £15million in the summer while admitting he was surprised at the fee which was eventually agreed.
He said: "Yes, I was [surprised]. I knew Bournemouth wanted the money back for players they had signed so I thought the figure would have been about £15m or £16m. Everyone would have looked at that and said, ‘That’s probably a good deal’. Then it went up to whatever it went up to in the end and people were looking at it thinking, ‘I don’t know whether we have had our pants pulled down here!’
"I don’t think there was anyone at Villa, with the impact I had last year, that thought it was a rip-off. It might have been higher than they wanted to pay but I think the most important thing was keeping the majority of the group we had together from last year.
"It was probably more than Villa wanted to pay but it is supply and demand. There is only one of me and I felt like I could come back here and make a positive impact and the manager thought that as well. But then you do look at some of the prices centre-backs went for and those that were quoted. I think it was about right!
"But I knew Bournemouth wanted to get the money for me because there would not have been enough seats in the changing room with all our centre-backs to be sat there and to include them in a squad. I knew at some point it would get done. I didn’t think the longer the club waited the cheaper it would be. I didn’t think if they waited till deadline day they would get me for £10million. That would have put everyone in a bad situation. I think, in the end, Villa probably got the deal done at the best price and the best time as well.
"They are just numbers at the end of the day. I just wanted to sign for Villa. The price does not come out of my bank account. I knew it was a deal I wanted to get done and I knew Villa wanted it done and I knew Bournemouth wanted it done. Whatever price they settled at was for the money men to decide. It doesn’t weigh heavy on me."
It's been some rise for a defender previously plagued by injuries while, back in January, the man from Chippenham admitted he was at a crossroads in his football career, even then aged 25.
"I’m not young but I’m playing again, but I needed to establish myself as a centre-back. Maybe as a Premier League centre-back it was getting a bit late. I went to the Championship and played well, but people said, ‘Yes, but that was in the Championship’. I needed games.
"It’s been nine months since I came to Villa, before Christmas I was playing in the 23s games, Premier League Cup, I think the biggest lesson I can take out it - and hindsight is a wonderful thing - is that no matter how trapped, or out of control you feel your current situation is, there’s always another path you can take, but at the time I couldn’t see that path.
"I knew that coming to Villa, things had to go well, because my career was in danger of slipping away. I’d been out of the spotlight for so long that I needed run of games to show people what I could do.
"If you’d told me when I was driving up from Bournemouth to Villa in January, that everything would happen that has happened in this last nine months, I probably wouldn’t have believed you.
"I had to choose a place to go that would fit me. When I went to Bournemouth it was a good fit and a good time for me because the club were new to the Premier League and we could go and achieve our goals together. Villa was probably similar, we had both had a bad few years and we both probably knew where we wanted to get back to. Why not try and do it together? I never saw going out on loan as a negative. I needed it as my career was kind of drifting away.
"It was me that suggested [going out on loan]. Even when they sold me the manager was a little reluctant. I don’t have a bad word to say about [Howe] and I don’t think he would have a bad word to say about me. I just think it was the right club at the wrong time. We had a great left-sided centre-back there in Nathan Ake and I could not walk away from there thinking I should have played more because he was probably our most consistent performer for the two years I could not get in the team."
Back at Villa, though, the commanding defender has now fully established himself and, in just nine months, has become a senior figure within Dean Smith's dressing room. The gaffer, according to Mings, has created a new culture of "honesty and hard work" and the players are following his every tune.
"The culture is one of honesty and hard work," explained Mings. "That's what the manager gives us. He's very open with his players which easily translates to the players about what he expects. It's our job, as people who have been here before, to install that in the changing room and implement it. It's all well and good him having ideas but everyone needs to buy into it. We have a real good thing going at the moment and that reflects how hard we work for each other out on the pitch.
"We have a core of people here who know the culture and how we play. We have enough in hard work at the moment and enough in ability that it should not be too far away."
What won't be too far away come Monday night will be the hoards of die-hard Villa fans waiting at the gates pre and post-match, mums, dads and young super fans often waiting hours to get a snap with the likes of Mings and Co and, when asked about fans waiting and players spending so much time with fans after games, Mings said: "It's certainly not compulsory. We don't have any notice boards up saying me must sign stuff for fans! It's more of an appreciation from the players to the fans who want to stay for so long.
"We do spend quite a lot of time in the stadium afterwards, whether doing press, recovery, having a massage, food or spending time with family, we do spend a lot of time and, if fans want to wait around to see the players, then it would be very rude to walk straight past them, wouldn't it?
"There comes a time in your career when nobody wants a photo with you and nobody wants an autograph. I think it's humbling that people are stood outside with your name on the back of their shirt and want you to sign a bit of paper, it's a nice thing."
Post by: Dazvillain on September 15, 2019, 02:18:05 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 15, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
Breaking news in some quarters today that Man City lining January move for him as he’d be in their budget and eligible for champions league 😩😮
Well, they can fuck off and then fuck off a little bit more, before fucking off, again.
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2019, 03:02:00 PM
Breaking news in some quarters today that Man City lining January move for him as he’d be in their budget and eligible for champions league 😩😮
They can’t afford him.
Post by: nigel on September 17, 2019, 08:17:54 PM
Breaking news in some quarters today that Man City lining January move for him as he’d be in their budget and eligible for champions league 😩😮Is their budget £80m+?
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 17, 2019, 11:22:08 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2019, 11:29:21 AM
You can't sign for two different teams in the same season, anyway. So nothing to worry about.
He signed for us before the season started though. You can't play for three different sides but that wouldn't be relevant either.
Post by: danno on September 18, 2019, 11:31:40 AM
Post by: fbriai on September 18, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Breaking news in some quarters today that Man City lining January move for him as he’d be in their budget and eligible for champions league 😩😮
They can’t afford him.
I completely agree with Risso. He's priceless.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 08:16:49 PM
Post by: Luke8 on September 22, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Similar regarding Engles and the little clipped ball that went to Guendouzi in the lead up to the penalty.
Post by: Steve67 on September 22, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2019, 10:38:01 PM
I love him but trying that header to Taylor, what were you thinking Tryone?
Poor header but Taylor reacted terribly too. AEG not tracking Chambers run to start with . A farce of a goal to concede.
Post by: Luke8 on September 22, 2019, 10:47:23 PM
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Post by: usav on October 03, 2019, 02:32:26 PM
In the latest Ingurlund squad, as is Tammy
Came to a quick decision on Nigeria then. He was undecided yesterday......
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 08:41:49 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on October 06, 2019, 08:44:39 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on October 06, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
Although it was poor from Mings, there still seemed sufficient time for Heaton to get there and clear.
I also couldn’t understand why given the score we were in a hurry to take the kick. The professional thing to do was to run the clock down rather than play it into a position where a mistake might put us at risk. No harm done yesterday but if it had only been one nil we’d be properly pissed off now.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 06, 2019, 09:08:29 AM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 13, 2019, 09:07:39 PM
@SkySportsNews
14m
Tyrone Mings will make his England debut against Bulgaria tomorrow, Sky Sports News understands.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 13, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
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Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 09:41:22 PM
Not long ago we were a club that up and coming players may have had doubts about joining, but the more we prove players can progress with us then the better calibre of player we will be able to bring in.
Let’s hope he gets his start and shows what he can do.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 13, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
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Post by: Smithy on October 14, 2019, 11:10:42 AM
Although it was poor from Mings, there still seemed sufficient time for Heaton to get there and clear.
It looked to me like Heaton 'expected' the ball in a particular place having seen what Mings did, and then lost it in the sun. Obviously it wasn't where he expected it when it reappeared (due to Mings' miskick), hence his indecision. I think on a cloudy day he's off his line and clearing that 99 times out of a 100.
Post by: Richard on October 14, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Great news for Mings, I’m just disappointed that I’ve got to watch the game now.
Brilliant !
Post by: Villafirst on October 14, 2019, 04:47:17 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 14, 2019, 04:48:36 PM
Good luck tonight Tyrone! Show your class and bring some stability to that defence. Oh, and don't get injured! That would be a nightmare!
You've done it now.
Post by: brian green on October 14, 2019, 05:35:25 PM
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 14, 2019, 07:45:32 PM
Post by: Steve67 on October 14, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on October 14, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
Looks nice and relaxed. Quality player. I hadn't realised that he didn't turn pro until aged 19.
There was an interesting interview where they talked about it at the start of the season.
Post by: BC Villain on October 14, 2019, 08:08:57 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2019, 09:01:48 PM
where does that put us on the list of most internationals? I wonder if in January Mings the Mighty thought he'd be playing international football!
This was the list on 1st April 2015, can't find a more recent one. Assume we are in second place.
Tottenham 73
Aston Villa 73
Liverpool 67
Everton 66
Manchester United 64
Arsenal 63
Blackburn Rovers 48
Manchester City 45
Chelsea 44
Sheffield Wednesday 43
West Bromwich Albion 43
Derby County 39
West Ham United 39
Nottingham Forest 37
Newcastle United 35
Sheffield United 34
Wolverhampton Wanderers 34
Southampton 33
Leeds United 31
Middlesborough 30
Bolton Wanderers 28
Sunderland 28
Burnley 24
Stoke City 23
Huddersfield Town 21
Birmingham City 17
Notts County 17
Crystal Palace 16
Leicester City 16
Portsmouth 16
QPR 16
Preston North End 15
Blackpool 13
Charlton Athletic 12
Fulham 12
Ipswich Town 12
Luton Town 10
Millwall 8
Norwich City 7
Rangers 7
Bury 6
Bradford 4
Bristol City 4
Coventry City 4
Oldham Athletic 4
Reading 4
Brighton & Hove Albion 3
Grimsby Town 3
Watford 3
Brentford 2
Leyton Orient 2
Celtic 2
Wigan Athletic 2
Wimbledon 2
Barnsley 1
Bristol Rovers 1
Cardiff City 1
Crewe Alexandra 1
Darlington 1
Hibernian 1
Stockport County 1
Swindon Town 1
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 14, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
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Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
Mings has looked precisely the player we know him to be. An absolute Rolls Royce just gliding around like it is 50th cap not first.I thought I was watching Beckenbauer.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 09:22:06 PM
Joint First is not second.where does that put us on the list of most internationals? I wonder if in January Mings the Mighty thought he'd be playing international football!
This was the list on 1st April 2015, can't find a more recent one. Assume we are in second place.
Tottenham 73
Aston Villa 73
Liverpool 67
Everton 66
Manchester United 64
Arsenal 63
Blackburn Rovers 48
Manchester City 45
Chelsea 44
Sheffield Wednesday 43
West Bromwich Albion 43
Derby County 39
West Ham United 39
Nottingham Forest 37
Newcastle United 35
Sheffield United 34
Wolverhampton Wanderers 34
Southampton 33
Leeds United 31
Middlesborough 30
Bolton Wanderers 28
Sunderland 28
Burnley 24
Stoke City 23
Huddersfield Town 21
Birmingham City 17
Notts County 17
Crystal Palace 16
Leicester City 16
Portsmouth 16
QPR 16
Preston North End 15
Blackpool 13
Charlton Athletic 12
Fulham 12
Ipswich Town 12
Luton Town 10
Millwall 8
Norwich City 7
Rangers 7
Bury 6
Bradford 4
Bristol City 4
Coventry City 4
Oldham Athletic 4
Reading 4
Brighton & Hove Albion 3
Grimsby Town 3
Watford 3
Brentford 2
Leyton Orient 2
Celtic 2
Wigan Athletic 2
Wimbledon 2
Barnsley 1
Bristol Rovers 1
Cardiff City 1
Crewe Alexandra 1
Darlington 1
Hibernian 1
Stockport County 1
Swindon Town 1
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 14, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on October 14, 2019, 09:29:28 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 09:29:34 PM
All of a sudden £24m looks peanutsAccording to many many "experts" in the summer we got mugged off by Bournemouth. The same lazy feckin commentators never said a word about Man U paying over 80 million for Maguire. If Maguire is worth 60 million quid more than Ty i'll eat my sombrero.
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 09:33:50 PM
True but in the 4 years since that list was produced i think it's safe to say Spurs are ahead.Joint First is not second.where does that put us on the list of most internationals? I wonder if in January Mings the Mighty thought he'd be playing international football!
This was the list on 1st April 2015, can't find a more recent one. Assume we are in second place.
Tottenham 73
Aston Villa 73
Liverpool 67
Everton 66
Manchester United 64
Arsenal 63
Blackburn Rovers 48
Manchester City 45
Chelsea 44
Sheffield Wednesday 43
West Bromwich Albion 43
Derby County 39
West Ham United 39
Nottingham Forest 37
Newcastle United 35
Sheffield United 34
Wolverhampton Wanderers 34
Southampton 33
Leeds United 31
Middlesborough 30
Bolton Wanderers 28
Sunderland 28
Burnley 24
Stoke City 23
Huddersfield Town 21
Birmingham City 17
Notts County 17
Crystal Palace 16
Leicester City 16
Portsmouth 16
QPR 16
Preston North End 15
Blackpool 13
Charlton Athletic 12
Fulham 12
Ipswich Town 12
Luton Town 10
Millwall 8
Norwich City 7
Rangers 7
Bury 6
Bradford 4
Bristol City 4
Coventry City 4
Oldham Athletic 4
Reading 4
Brighton & Hove Albion 3
Grimsby Town 3
Watford 3
Brentford 2
Leyton Orient 2
Celtic 2
Wigan Athletic 2
Wimbledon 2
Barnsley 1
Bristol Rovers 1
Cardiff City 1
Crewe Alexandra 1
Darlington 1
Hibernian 1
Stockport County 1
Swindon Town 1
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 09:35:51 PM
Ok I’ve done the maths, 2015-2019
What we really need is the update 😁
Post by: Dogtanian on October 14, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
All of a sudden £24m looks peanutsAccording to many many "experts" in the summer we got mugged off by Bournemouth. The same lazy feckin commentators never said a word about Man U paying over 80 million for Maguire. If Maguire is worth 60 million quid more than Ty i'll eat my sombrero.
I’d rather pay over the odds for a player who really wanted to come and put on the shirt than get a bargain player to whom it’s just another job. I’m really pleased for him that it’s turning out to be the right decision for him.
Post by: devilla on October 14, 2019, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: Border villan on October 14, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
Post by: Gerrin on October 14, 2019, 09:42:41 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 09:43:28 PM
I think our Ty was brill, but
A lot depends on what happens with this match with FIFA.
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
Post by: jwarry on October 14, 2019, 09:50:44 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on October 14, 2019, 09:55:06 PM
But what a human being and leader.
Imagine the pride of his family tonight
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 14, 2019, 09:56:54 PM
So will he be in the next squad?If Southgate has any sense, as soon as he gets back to the dressing room, he will say well done lads, and tell the starting eleven they will be staring the next game, and I doubt there will be any complaints.
Post by: dave shelley on October 14, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
Post by: jwarry on October 14, 2019, 09:58:07 PM
Good debut footballing wise.
But what a human being and leader.
Imagine the pride of his family tonight
Yes and so is everyone one of us. Born leader
Post by: jwarry on October 14, 2019, 09:59:24 PM
I still have trouble believing he's our player. Absolute star, him and the Villa were made for each other.
Spot on Dave, been a long time since we’ve been able to say that
Post by: Villan For Life on October 14, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
Post by: bilsim on October 14, 2019, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on October 14, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
Post by: Mike Jeffries on October 14, 2019, 10:14:35 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 14, 2019, 10:16:34 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 10:18:30 PM
AV b4 England, obv, but what a superb defensive player.
I understand why Gareth Southgate picked him for 🏴.
Post by: Ian. on October 14, 2019, 10:23:03 PM
Post by: andyh on October 14, 2019, 10:29:51 PM
But Tyrone Mings is different.
Watching him play and listening to his interviews actually makes me proud of him, Really, really proud.
Well done on a very accomplished debut, Tyrone.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 10:34:23 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 14, 2019, 10:39:16 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 10:42:39 PM
What a man. I would definitely have bought a mortgage off him.Does he do mortgages?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 14, 2019, 10:46:37 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 14, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
What a man. I would definitely have bought a mortgage off him.I would have bought a used Saxo off him.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 14, 2019, 10:51:23 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 14, 2019, 10:53:54 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 14, 2019, 10:56:36 PM
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2019, 10:58:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2019, 11:00:08 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 14, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Post by: KRS on October 14, 2019, 11:16:53 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 14, 2019, 11:55:52 PM
What a fucking fit we have been for each other.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 15, 2019, 12:11:34 AM
Post by: Comrade Blitz on October 15, 2019, 03:26:20 AM
Post by: algy on October 15, 2019, 06:55:26 AM
" He's here, he's there - Fighting Racism everywhere! Tyrone Mings ! Tyrone Mings ! ".Needs to be a thing :)
You think it's impossible to think any higher of the guy, then he conducts himself like that. If I hadn't already named them my twins would be called "Tyrone" and "Mings".
I quite like the chap.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 15, 2019, 07:46:05 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 15, 2019, 07:56:09 AM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 15, 2019, 08:23:48 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Wnb4VP5/463-B836-D-B6-E2-414-E-998-A-A5601-BF0-A8-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wnb4VP5)
Post by: Diablo on October 15, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7572819/Tyrone-Mings-stands-tall-face-racist-abuse-strong-England-debut.htmlSo the paper that supported the Nazis and the Black shirts and pedals racism and hate on a daily basis comments on nazi salutes and monkey chants by Bulgarians dressed all in black?! Ffs!
Well done the players, management and back room staff.
Post by: DennisHodgetts on October 15, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Post by: AGRIPPA on October 15, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
Mrs B shouted "Make him Captain" during the post-match coverage.
This will probably be seen as heresy on here but I really think that he should be team captain.... with Jack staying as club captain.
His leadership qualities are natural.... and he leads by them!!
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 15, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
Mrs B shouted "Make him Captain" during the post-match coverage.
This will probably be seen as heresy on here but I really think that he should be team captain.... with Jack staying as club captain.
His leadership qualities are natural.... and he leads by them!!
Nah I don't think it's heresy. Certainly not from my perspective anyway.
Jack is a lot of good things, but an able captain isn't really one of them. I think he should be allowed to focus fully on his game tbh.
Tyrone should be captain, but I feel like some of the recent Dean is persisting with Jack is because he gets 0 protection from the ref. Being captain means he can at least directly question the refs' decisions any time he's being bullied on the pitch and the decisions aren't going our way.
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2019, 10:07:01 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
Post by: darren woolley on October 15, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2019, 10:43:38 AM
Tyrone will act like a leader whether he is captain or not, so why upset our best player for the sake of it?
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2019, 10:48:26 AM
No. Jack is Captain. Tyrone is and can still be a Leader on the pitch.
Definitley this.
He's done really well; what a move coming to Aston Villa was for him.
Post by: Dave on October 15, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
Sky Sports were in our office today interviewing people about when Mings used to work with us.
Guess there is a lot of screen time to fill in international weeks.
Did you know him Dave?
"Know" would be a bit strong. My interactions with him extended to getting a quid off him for the first goalscorer sweepstake in the work football match and half a game of being overshadowed by him in that football match.
A mate of mine started at the same time as him and knew him pretty well. She's a little bitter that his career in the last eight years has gone rather better than hers.
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on October 15, 2019, 11:30:05 AM
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.Ermm yes. But it's all relative. There are still pockets of imbeciles in there.
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
Agreed, he's always been a genuinely good bloke but a lot of it has gone under the radar. Now he's at a big club and getting international recognition it's going to be great to see him set up as a role model.
Post by: in exile on October 15, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
I'm happy to keep things as they are
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 15, 2019, 02:26:50 PM
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.Ermm yes. But it's all relative. There are still pockets of imbeciles in there.
Beat me to it Olly. Is England cured of racism in football? Not even close. But relative to many nations in Eastern Europe it’s significantly better or should I say less tolerated in the sport. There is a denial that exists in countries like Bulgaria that has to be addressed first and given recent comments within the sport there they don’t even have the desire yet. It will be many years before it is eradicated and the truth is in needs to start in regular society; schools, govt, workplaces before it makes its way into sport. In England wankers will always exist but they are the periphery now not the norm. Bulgaria its still very much the norm.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 15, 2019, 02:28:42 PM
Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 15, 2019, 03:01:19 PM
Tyrone has often presented as such a dignified figure, whilst I wish it didn’t need to happen, I’m glad he’s been there to help bring it to a head in as calm and mature manner as I think could be done.
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“It didn’t affect my feelings. I think I’m quite lucky in that way because I don’t feel like it is a personal assault. I feel sorry for the people who have those views. But I also have a duty to represent people that don’t have a voice, so it didn’t hurt or harm my feelings one bit. It was obviously bigger than me and bigger than what I felt.”
I think this is the best example I’ve seen so far of what a sound head he has on his shoulders*. This guy will be an ambassador for football and maybe beyond for decades.
One thing I try to remember when I’m in Uganda and having to find the right/realistic balance with homophobia (including potentially effectively state/foreign sponsored hatred & violence) is that it was still illegal in the UK in 1967 and still labelled an illness in my life time 1973/1987. I’m not sure there is a clear point here beyond a need to retain some perspective and create the best conditions and opportunity to change, literally opportunity for some people to think, sometimes for the first time, beyond the hatred and prejudice they’ve learned/assumed.
From what I’ve seen, I think the dignity with which Tyrone and the team conducted themselves, boosted by just being better on the pitch was perfect.
Also there have been just so many TM new stories you couldn’t link them all here.
I hadn’t picked up before he was prompted to get help with his mental health before.
*I’d missed this March 2019 story which covers that and so much of his background, even pulling out of a TalkSport interview on principle but but being willing to give them another go.
Https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/27/tyrone-mings-lived-homeless-shelter-child-now-duty-help-others/
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 15, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
I think you have to be careful labeling them England fans, there is a certain element that are attracted to certain games. They have not gone away they just pick their moments. We also have to counter some of the idiots who sing songs about black players at VP and elsewhere.Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 15, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
I think you have to be careful labeling them England fans, there is a certain element that are attracted to certain games. They have not gone away they just pick their moments. We also have to counter some of the idiots who sing songs about black players at VP and elsewhere.Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Well, it is a fine line. How do you define a fan? I'm sure if we had a Bulgarian member on here, they would have a perspective on the minority of fans who were hurling abuse at the players last night. The brunt of it appeared to be organised, just like the Combat 18 fellas who organised that mad stuff in Dublin in '95.
But all of those individuals paid for entry to the ground. Just like the Villa fans who, unfortunately, have awful world-views and attitudes towards people of colour, including songs sang at some of our own players. Are they racists? Yes. Does that mean they're not 'fans' like we are? Not necessarily at all. They could be quite knowledgeable and sincere in their support for the club/nation, despite their disgusting behaviour. I actually think it's quite dangerous to compartmentalise these people.
The reality is, in a Villa context, it could be the people sitting next to us in the Holte. You won't see salutes, but you might hear some awful vitriol from a frustrated fan that borders on racism, or a song that clearly has racist undertones as you've referred to. It's harder to compartmentalise them or imply they're not really 'fans' when these are the people who go to the games week in, week out.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 15, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
I was struck with that “Liam Neeson says he's 'not racist' after controversial interview”. If he’d have started from acknowledging we all have our concious or unconscious prejudices he might have got his good intentions taken more seriously.
I always recommend this (3.5mins) video to folk on everyday racism by Akala (Musician/writer/all rounder, was West Ham/Wimbledon youth)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/mar/18/everyday-racism-what-should-we-do
Have seen it really affect a training group atmosphere as collective pennies drop.
*edit: individual and collective
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2019, 04:28:08 PM
Agreed. “Othering” is very seductive and makes it feel easier to be who we are, to not own our* shadow/less pleasant bits. There is unconscious/everyday racism in all of us.That's an excllent and thought provoking video - thanks PT.
I was struck with that “Liam Neeson says he's 'not racist' after controversial interview”. If he’d have started from acknowledging we all have our concious or unconscious prejudices he might have got his good intentions taken more seriously.
I always recommend this (3.5mins) video to folk on everyday racism by Akala (Musician/writer/all rounder, was West Ham/Wimbledon youth)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/mar/18/everyday-racism-what-should-we-do
Have seen it really affect a training group atmosphere as collective pennies drop.
*edit: individual and collective
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on October 15, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Post by: KevinGage on October 15, 2019, 05:59:09 PM
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“It didn’t affect my feelings. I think I’m quite lucky in that way because I don’t feel like it is a personal assault. I feel sorry for the people who have those views. But I also have a duty to represent people that don’t have a voice, so it didn’t hurt or harm my feelings one bit. It was obviously bigger than me and bigger than what I felt.”
He's one of the good guys.
But then we knew that already.
Post by: Mister E on October 15, 2019, 06:13:58 PM
My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.I think you have to be careful labeling them England fans, there is a certain element that are attracted to certain games. They have not gone away they just pick their moments. We also have to counter some of the idiots who sing songs about black players at VP and elsewhere.Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on October 15, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
Getting the attention he deserves - https://twitter.com/EddieHughes4WN/status/1184134770667773952?s=19
Fantastic. Was curious about if the Sports Minister (in a Govt with no majority ; ) Nigel Adams had any allegiances, but wiki says cricket not football:
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“A keen sportsman, he played competitive cricket in the York Senior League and is a former member of the Yorkshire Cricket Club's members committee. Adams is currently Secretary of the Lords and Commons Cricket Club and whilst captaining the side against MCC in June 2013 at Lord's Cricket Ground he scored his career best innings of 125 not out.[34]”
Couldn’t help but smile that 6th reply was a video of TM initiating/leading Allez Allez from the balcony after promotion. Forgot the wingspan of the man is just so colossal!
Post by: Steve67 on October 15, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 15, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 09:51:22 PM
We mustn’t forget him still wearing his kit at Bournemouth station. Already a Villa legend.Or laughing in the face of the angry unwashed of Small Heath at the Sty . Tried to wind him up but failed miserably.
Post by: mike on October 15, 2019, 10:56:05 PM
My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.I think you have to be careful labeling them England fans, there is a certain element that are attracted to certain games. They have not gone away they just pick their moments. We also have to counter some of the idiots who sing songs about black players at VP and elsewhere.Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Definitely an issue that the racial balance of both the team and the city is not reflected in our attendances. Exactly the same for the England team. I'm not a massive Ian Wright fan, but you could understand last night that he wanted to concentrate on how fucking awful this situation is rather than how things are getting better, whereas the white guys thought it was some kind of victory. I would have liked to see Kane or someone else white just walk off. Obviously, I am proud of Tyrone and that intervention we all saw but it needs the white players and the white fans to understand how fucking disgusting this all is if it's something you get every second of every day. We need to get our black mates down to Villa Park.
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 11:08:25 PM
My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.I think you have to be careful labeling them England fans, there is a certain element that are attracted to certain games. They have not gone away they just pick their moments. We also have to counter some of the idiots who sing songs about black players at VP and elsewhere.Excellent on and off the pitch from Mings.
It did strike me though how times have changed when England fans are being lauded for their anti-racism.
I suppose you could say that. Hard to believe it's over 20 years since England fans were giving the Nazi salute and tearing up the seating in Lansdowne Road in Dublin. Certainly the game has come along a lot in this part of the world since then. But obviously not elsewhere.
Definitely an issue that the racial balance of both the team and the city is not reflected in our attendances. Exactly the same for the England team. I'm not a massive Ian Wright fan, but you could understand last night that he wanted to concentrate on how fucking awful this situation is rather than how things are getting better, whereas the white guys thought it was some kind of victory. I would have liked to see Kane or someone else white just walk off. Obviously, I am proud of Tyrone and that intervention we all saw but it needs the white players and the white fans to understand how fucking disgusting this all is if it's something you get every second of every day. We need to get our black mates down to Villa Park.
I'm not sure the balance there is right though. Football players, in the premier league aren't representative of the country as a whole, the sheer number of players who aren't eligible for England should prove that. Even if you only look at Home Nation qualified players the representation isn't correct, the number of Asian origin players is far too small and the number of African origin players is far too high so expecting similar representation in the crowd is asking for the impossible. However I don't disagree that football crowds do need to become more inclusive, but that also applies to women and LGBT.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 15, 2019, 11:47:43 PM
This all needed to blow up to have a chance to get sorted, just like the “supportive” racism of our own fans thoughtlessly/maliciously (probably elements of both) using offensive stereotypes.
Tyrone has often presented as such a dignified figure, whilst I wish it didn’t need to happen, I’m glad he’s been there to help bring it to a head in as calm and mature manner as I think could be done.Quote“It didn’t affect my feelings. I think I’m quite lucky in that way because I don’t feel like it is a personal assault. I feel sorry for the people who have those views. But I also have a duty to represent people that don’t have a voice, so it didn’t hurt or harm my feelings one bit. It was obviously bigger than me and bigger than what I felt.”
I think this is the best example I’ve seen so far of what a sound head he has on his shoulders*. This guy will be an ambassador for football and maybe beyond for decades.
One thing I try to remember when I’m in Uganda and having to find the right/realistic balance with homophobia (including potentially effectively state/foreign sponsored hatred & violence) is that it was still illegal in the UK in 1967 and still labelled an illness in my life time 1973/1987. I’m not sure there is a clear point here beyond a need to retain some perspective and create the best conditions and opportunity to change, literally opportunity for some people to think, sometimes for the first time, beyond the hatred and prejudice they’ve learned/assumed.
From what I’ve seen, I think the dignity with which Tyrone and the team conducted themselves, boosted by just being better on the pitch was perfect.
Also there have been just so many TM new stories you couldn’t link them all here.
I hadn’t picked up before he was prompted to get help with his mental health before.
*I’d missed this March 2019 story which covers that and so much of his background, even pulling out of a TalkSport interview on principle but but being willing to give them another go.
Https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/27/tyrone-mings-lived-homeless-shelter-child-now-duty-help-others/
This is a great post PT.
I'd only add that he'd have had an equally sound head on his shoulders if he'd had contempt, rather than pity, for them and called them a shower of ******!*
*This may have been less helpful in the long-term.
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.
But surely it's the case that the proportion of black players in football is much larger than the proportion of black people out of the the population as a whole. I think it's about 10% of the UK population who are black or Asian, so if there are 400 fans out of say, 4,000 travelling fans, then the proportion would be about right. There always seem to be lots down the Villa, anyway.
Post by: itbrvilla on October 16, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2019, 11:35:53 AM
Some click baity articles around that Man United fans are demanding they sign Mings.Yes, Well their fans deserve any player they want, it’s just how the world works.
Great people.
Post by: dave shelley on October 16, 2019, 01:00:35 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 16, 2019, 01:10:20 PM
There should be a lot more ethnic minorities down the Villa when you look at the demograph of the surrounding areas. It's slowly changing but not anywhere near fast enough. The club should be working hard to attract more of the local community to the matches.My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.
But surely it's the case that the proportion of black players in football is much larger than the proportion of black people out of the the population as a whole. I think it's about 10% of the UK population who are black or Asian, so if there are 400 fans out of say, 4,000 travelling fans, then the proportion would be about right. There always seem to be lots down the Villa, anyway.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
There should be a lot more ethnic minorities down the Villa when you look at the demograph of the surrounding areas. It's slowly changing but not anywhere near fast enough. The club should be working hard to attract more of the local community to the matches.My observation last night was that whilst 25% of the England team (and, apparently around 40% of Premier League players) are BAME there appeared to be very few BAME supporters in the England enclosure. Perhaps our game will know it's sorted out properly when the proportion stats for players, managers, coaches and fans are roughly the same.
But surely it's the case that the proportion of black players in football is much larger than the proportion of black people out of the the population as a whole. I think it's about 10% of the UK population who are black or Asian, so if there are 400 fans out of say, 4,000 travelling fans, then the proportion would be about right. There always seem to be lots down the Villa, anyway.
The club does work hard in the community. But it’s got to be accepted and desired within those communities too. It’s not as easy as knocking on doors or temples, mosques, homes in the area and say come to the Villa because in many cases football isn’t as culturally accepted and there is still a genuine fear amongst some about the environment of the event.
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2019, 02:14:15 PM
Totally different matter when it comes to supporting England. I have followed England home and abroad and my experience has not been good. I feel comfortable and at home at Villa Park whereas I have never felt that I belong at an England gathering.
Post by: Mister E on October 16, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
Although I've only been to a few England games, I'd agree with this. When the cameras panned around the England crowd on Monday I spotted no BAME (which is not to say there weren't any ...).
Totally different matter when it comes to supporting England. I have followed England home and abroad and my experience has not been good. I feel comfortable and at home at Villa Park whereas I have never felt that I belong at an England gathering.
Post by: Mister E on October 16, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
Some click baity articles around that Man United fans are demanding they sign Mings.We'd better get used to this because several of our players will attract unwanted attention.
I think the NSWE / Smith revolution will, however, cause a different outcome to ones we've previously come to expect; as long as we don't screw up our Premier LEague status.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
TV I am not sure if the "cultural" issue is still there or concern about the environment when it comes to supporting your local club. At local level I don't see the open hostility towards fans of colour in the ground and total disrespect for local community that persisted in the 70's and 80's. If I just speak for Birmingham A's of BAME I would say almost every household is into football and follow the Premier League however they are mostly GH's and support Liverpool or Man u now into second and third generation. This other than boiling my piss is a little bit strange as they totally miss the point of being a football supporter. I think the representation at Villa Park is good and getting better however we need 4000+ at every match not a 100 or so.
Totally different matter when it comes to supporting England. I have followed England home and abroad and my experience has not been good. I feel comfortable and at home at Villa Park whereas I have never felt that I belong at an England gathering.
I know I've been away for a while now, and growing up within those communities (I'm Indian, lived in Aston briefly as a kid, and went to school there in the 80's) football was never properly embraced. People liked it, but it was never ingrained so to speak. I imagine over time that has changed and it is more accepted, but for me at least when I go home it still doesn't feel completely accepted. It takes a lot of work to get parents. grandparents, first and second generation to be a part of it versus those who appreciate it is there but never truly invest in (I don't mean just financially, but more emotionally). But the club (and all clubs I would have thought) are working in their local communities to make match day a more welcoming and accommodating experience for those communities and frankly everyone who wants to go.
Post by: Smoke on October 16, 2019, 03:33:05 PM
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Post by: The Edge on October 16, 2019, 03:58:35 PM
New banner for Saturday. Excellent work by all concerned in getting this done and to those who contributed.Thats superb. I take it that's the B6 project lads? Well done to them. Also after the furore around the idiots singing THAT song about Marvelous i love it if he has his own banner too.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG77a_sWoAAUK0i?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 16, 2019, 04:19:49 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this up. I felt at the time he could have done more to avoid it. I still do. The fact he's a nice bloke, great player and new media darling doesn't change that.
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2019, 04:29:09 PM
New banner for Saturday. Excellent work by all concerned in getting this done and to those who contributed.Thats superb. I take it that's the B6 project lads? Well done to them. Also after the furore around the idiots singing THAT song about Marvelous i love it if he has his own banner too.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG77a_sWoAAUK0i?format=jpg&name=medium)
It is. My mistake for not crediting them for it.
Post by: Scratchins on October 16, 2019, 04:31:57 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 04:48:27 PM
Not saying that it won't happen but I'd like to think that Manure will find they are dealing with a very different Aston Villa and be sent away with a full dose of fuck off tablets.
Also worth pointing out that is a very different Man U that we would be dealing with. It's not the trophy guarantee it once was.
Post by: mike on October 16, 2019, 04:58:25 PM
Post by: mike on October 16, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
New banner for Saturday. Excellent work by all concerned in getting this done and to those who contributed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG77a_sWoAAUK0i?format=jpg&name=medium)
Does anyone know the B6 lot we’ll enough to suggest turning that into a t shirt? Proceeds to an anti racism charity or the Villa Foundation? I’m happy to do it for them if they want.
Post by: Smoke on October 16, 2019, 05:38:51 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this up. I felt at the time he could have done more to avoid it. I still do. The fact he's a nice bloke, great player and new media darling doesn't change that.
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Sorry you didn't like me bringing it up Chris. I won't post again without checking if you mind the subject first.
Jebus.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 16, 2019, 05:43:56 PM
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2019, 06:27:28 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this up. I felt at the time he could have done more to avoid it. I still do. The fact he's a nice bloke, great player and new media darling doesn't change that.
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Sorry you didn't like me bringing it up Chris. I won't post again without checking if you mind the subject first.
Jebus.
But it was pointless bringing it up really. He was'n't charged with anything. Some people always try to look at the downside of things don't they?
Post by: kieron on October 16, 2019, 06:50:07 PM
New banner for Saturday. Excellent work by all concerned in getting this done and to those who contributed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG77a_sWoAAUK0i?format=jpg&name=medium)
I saw Project B6's request for funding for this and donated a small sum because it simply just has to happen, doesn't it? He's already a Villa legend, so it's right he has this. I just hope it's a static banner fixed into position somewhere permanently as opposed to a flag waved on sticks before a match.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 07:16:41 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this up. I felt at the time he could have done more to avoid it. I still do. The fact he's a nice bloke, great player and new media darling doesn't change that.
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Sorry you didn't like me bringing it up Chris. I won't post again without checking if you mind the subject first.
Jebus.
But it was pointless bringing it up really. He was'n't charged with anything. Some people always try to look at the downside of things don't they?
It is a tad weird bringing it up but him not charged proves nothing as even if the authorities thought he was guilty they couldn't charge him.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 16, 2019, 07:25:47 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 16, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2019, 08:03:02 PM
Post by: Rory on October 16, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
New banner for Saturday. Excellent work by all concerned in getting this done and to those who contributed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG77a_sWoAAUK0i?format=jpg&name=medium)
Wonderful. Great gesture to show we're all behind Ty.
I don't really follow international football and I'm certainly not an England fan, so whenever Villa players turn out for the national side, my emotions are mainly concern that they're going to be tapped up, and relief if/when they manage to get through the game uninjured and without making a catastrophic fuck-up in front of the whole country.
Ty showed great courage and dignity the other day, and I genuinely cannot remember ever feeling so proud of one of our players.
Post by: Rory on October 16, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Post by: Smoke on October 16, 2019, 10:09:14 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this up. I felt at the time he could have done more to avoid it. I still do. The fact he's a nice bloke, great player and new media darling doesn't change that.
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
Sorry you didn't like me bringing it up Chris. I won't post again without checking if you mind the subject first.
Jebus.
But it was pointless bringing it up really. He was'n't charged with anything. Some people always try to look at the downside of things don't they?
It is a tad weird bringing it up but him not charged proves nothing as even if the authorities thought he was guilty they couldn't charge him.
I must be way off the mark. I didn't think it weird at all.
In less than a year the guy has gone from being a loan player some people on here thought might be a thug to potentially our record signing, england international and praised in the house of commons.
Like I said before, Quite the year for our Ty.
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2019, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 17, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on October 17, 2019, 01:15:04 PM
So does anyone still think he stamped on that dudes face on purpose at the beginning of the year?!
2019 quite the year for Our Ty
No I never thought it was deliberate as I was not aware of any history between players - so I asked why would he randomly do that unless a freak accident.
The Ibrahimovic one - im not so sure - there was needle first by Ibrahimovic then Mings landed on his face (still not 100% sure deliberate if you look at where Mings is looking) but The elbow to Mings was definitely deliberate
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Post by: mike on October 17, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
Mings has definitely got a feisty side to his character, as recent 'words' with team mates like Heaton and Taylor show. But that's absolutely fine by me, as we've been far too nice and accepting of medicocrity for too long, and I like that we have somebody like Tyrone who demands the best from everybody including himself.
Don't forget El Ghazi.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 17, 2019, 02:37:05 PM
Mings has definitely got a feisty side to his character, as recent 'words' with team mates like Heaton and Taylor show. But that's absolutely fine by me, as we've been far too nice and accepting of medicocrity for too long, and I like that we have somebody like Tyrone who demands the best from everybody including himself.
Don't forget El Ghazi.
Grealish is the good cop, Mings the opposite. I'd love him to have as fearsome a reputation as Keane during his time at Man U. At least we wouldn't be performing poorly for the reason of not trying hard enough.
Post by: Villafirst on October 17, 2019, 03:48:37 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 17, 2019, 05:03:21 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....
I have 2 major problems with this.
1. Man U need a functioning attack a lot more than a defender and a coule of midfielders, they don't own a single proper centre forward, just 2 inside lefts.
2. Brazil can fuck right off.
Post by: algy on October 17, 2019, 05:16:44 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....We could do a lot worse than spend £50 on Harry Kane, Lionel Messi, and the time machine that'll get us an 18 year old Pele.
Words innit.
Post by: KevinGage on October 17, 2019, 05:37:15 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....We could do a lot worse than spend £50 on Harry Kane, Lionel Messi, and the time machine that'll get us an 18 year old Pele.
Words innit.
He should listen to his friend Tony Cantscorino who insists TM is average and we got mugged off.
Amazing how one ghostwritten book (by the excellent Paul Kimmage) makes Tone an expert on all things football now.
Post by: clash city rocker on October 17, 2019, 05:44:41 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....
I have 2 major problems with this.
1. Man U need a functioning attack a lot more than a defender and a coule of midfielders, they don't own a single proper centre forward, just 2 inside lefts.
2. Brazil can fuck right off.
Thing is Leicester are a more attractive proposition these days than manure.
Post by: Villafirst on October 17, 2019, 05:46:13 PM
Post by: BC Villain on October 17, 2019, 07:30:22 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....
It was nearly 40 years ago Alan. Get over it.
Post by: Colhint on October 17, 2019, 07:55:35 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....
It was nearly 40 years ago Alan. Get over it.
Perhaps someone should ring in and tell him this might be the best team we've had since 1981, then ask his opinion.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 18, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....
It was nearly 40 years ago Alan. Get over it.
Perhaps someone should ring in and tell him this might be the best team we've had since 1981, then ask his opinion.
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The resulting meltdown would be amusing to listen to! :D]
Post by: Villafirst on October 18, 2019, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 18, 2019, 09:25:45 PM
Why is it that Wolves better players like Neves and Boly slip under the radar and aren't mentioned as potential big club players? Villa's decent players seem to be touted by all and sundry, especially Alan f*****g Brazil!!
Ours are British? I mean Jack Wilshere is still being touted as a talent with potential.
Post by: aldridgeboy on October 18, 2019, 11:08:41 PM
Cantscorino 😂👏🏻👏🏻Now Alan Brazil suggesting that Man Utd "could do a lot worse than spend a couple of hundred million" on Tyrone, Jack & SJM!! Apparently they would improve the United team.....We could do a lot worse than spend £50 on Harry Kane, Lionel Messi, and the time machine that'll get us an 18 year old Pele.
Words innit.
He should listen to his friend Tony Cantscorino who insists TM is average and we got mugged off.
Amazing how one ghostwritten book (by the excellent Paul Kimmage) makes Tone an expert on all things football now.
Post by: Ian. on October 18, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
Why is it that Wolves better players like Neves and Boly slip under the radar and aren't mentioned as potential big club players? Villa's decent players seem to be touted by all and sundry, especially Alan f*****g Brazil!!Because no matter how well Wolves do nobody actually notices them all that much and kind of expect them to disappear again.
Post by: eamonn on October 18, 2019, 11:57:55 PM
Post by: mike on October 19, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 19, 2019, 10:55:41 PM
Any photos of the Mings banner?https://www.facebook.com/424801854252076/posts/2831514256914145/
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 19, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
Post by: mike on October 19, 2019, 11:22:08 PM
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Great thanks. Good to see it on MOTD as well.
Post by: Luke8 on October 26, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
I make that at least three (today, Arsenal and Norwich) in the first ten games. Is it down to the amount of defending he has had to do/how open we can be? Or a lack of concentration?
I do think he has a tendency to be a little too causal at times, both with and without the ball.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 26, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 26, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
Love the guy and think that he is an excellent defender generally, but at what stage do we start to become concerned with the poor mistakes that are leading to goals?
I make that at least three (today, Arsenal and Norwich) in the first ten games. Is it down to the amount of defending he has had to do/how open we can be? Or a lack of concentration?
I do think he has a tendency to be a little too causal at times, both with and without the ball.
At fault for the goal Brighton scored too.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 26, 2019, 10:35:34 PM
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Post by: purpletrousers on October 27, 2019, 12:30:49 AM
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2019, 10:01:45 AM
Trying to remember, any of the mistakes attributable to the demands of playing out from the back, which can be riskier?
No they weren't. Yesterday's was just a basic failure to win a header from a big punt up field. The Norwich one was a crazy sort of back pass to Heaton, and the Arsenal one was a poor attempted header to Taylor when under pressure.
Post by: Luke8 on October 27, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
Trying to remember, any of the mistakes attributable to the demands of playing out from the back, which can be riskier?
As Risso says, none from Mings that I recall. Engles has made a couple of bad errors when playing out from the back (Arsenal penalty and Mings goal line clearance yesterday off the top of my head) but I think you have to accept that it may occasionally happen as a by product of building up play that way.
Post by: sid1964 on October 28, 2019, 06:43:18 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 28, 2019, 08:14:50 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 28, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
There was opportunity for a team mate to have prevented the goal, but quite why Guilbert was as high up the pitch as he was when we hadn't got the ball and quite why Engels couldn't manage much more than a trudge in Sterlings direction to get in front of him i'm not sure. Then Heaton had a bit of bad luck, probably shouldn't have been slightly off the ground as he was to let the ball sneak under him. It was slightly poor from all four of them for me, but the big picture is that they all played well overall. I think that we should learn as a team that we need to be switched on right from the kick off for the second half because i would put it down to a sweeping lack of concentration and urgency more than anything.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2019, 12:52:35 PM
Love the guy and think that he is an excellent defender generally, but at what stage do we start to become concerned with the poor mistakes that are leading to goals?
I make that at least three (today, Arsenal and Norwich) in the first ten games. Is it down to the amount of defending he has had to do/how open we can be? Or a lack of concentration?
I do think he has a tendency to be a little too causal at times, both with and without the ball.
Norwich for me wasn't the greatest backpass but I thought Heaton was incredible slow coming out, the pass still reached the penalty area so Heats must've been rooted on the goalline when the pass was made which isn't the greatest starting position.
He's an excellent CB for us with leadership and usually fantastic in the air. Also a calmness at the back when he's on the ball that helps us start our attacks.
What the season has shown us so far is he isn't quite top level, little lapses which the best teams have exploited. Still with where we are currently he's more than good enough.
Post by: simboy on October 28, 2019, 01:17:08 PM
To be fair, he hasn't played a full season yet, having been laid off for years with injury and as such seems to lack that full 90 minute concentration. He does also have the ability to perform outstandingly for the time his head is in the game.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 28, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
It was a poor moment to allow the ball to be flicked on but blaming him solely for the goal is ridiculous. It wasn't even an 'error' as such.Of course he was at fault, it was a straight long ball and he failed to deal with it.
There was opportunity for a team mate to have prevented the goal, but quite why Guilbert was as high up the pitch as he was when we hadn't got the ball and quite why Engels couldn't manage much more than a trudge in Sterlings direction to get in front of him i'm not sure. Then Heaton had a bit of bad luck, probably shouldn't have been slightly off the ground as he was to let the ball sneak under him. It was slightly poor from all four of them for me, but the big picture is that they all played well overall. I think that we should learn as a team that we need to be switched on right from the kick off for the second half because i would put it down to a sweeping lack of concentration and urgency more than anything.
The catalogue of errors afterwards only came about because of that.
I bet Ming’s would also hold his hands up.
Post by: Luke8 on October 28, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
Love the guy and think that he is an excellent defender generally, but at what stage do we start to become concerned with the poor mistakes that are leading to goals?
I make that at least three (today, Arsenal and Norwich) in the first ten games. Is it down to the amount of defending he has had to do/how open we can be? Or a lack of concentration?
I do think he has a tendency to be a little too causal at times, both with and without the ball.
Norwich for me wasn't the greatest backpass but I thought Heaton was incredible slow coming out, the pass still reached the penalty area so Heats must've been rooted on the goalline when the pass was made which isn't the greatest starting position.
He's an excellent CB for us with leadership and usually fantastic in the air. Also a calmness at the back when he's on the ball that helps us start our attacks.
What the season has shown us so far is he isn't quite top level, little lapses which the best teams have exploited. Still with where we are currently he's more than good enough.
To be fair the Norwich goal was pretty poor all round. Don’t think any of McGinn, Mings or Heston covered themselves in glory.
Completely agree that he is a superb centre back for us, I just think that he has a tendency to be a little too chill at times.
Post by: Diablo on October 28, 2019, 03:27:32 PM
edit
Just watched the video back and although the camera is quite far away it doesn't support my initial thought at the time at all - oh well (maybe my tinted Villa glasses are worse than I thought and were on max at +11).
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 28, 2019, 04:52:03 PM
It was a poor moment to allow the ball to be flicked on but blaming him solely for the goal is ridiculous. It wasn't even an 'error' as such.Of course he was at fault, it was a straight long ball and he failed to deal with it.
There was opportunity for a team mate to have prevented the goal, but quite why Guilbert was as high up the pitch as he was when we hadn't got the ball and quite why Engels couldn't manage much more than a trudge in Sterlings direction to get in front of him i'm not sure. Then Heaton had a bit of bad luck, probably shouldn't have been slightly off the ground as he was to let the ball sneak under him. It was slightly poor from all four of them for me, but the big picture is that they all played well overall. I think that we should learn as a team that we need to be switched on right from the kick off for the second half because i would put it down to a sweeping lack of concentration and urgency more than anything.
The catalogue of errors afterwards only came about because of that.
I bet Ming’s would also hold his hands up.
If you’re trying to say it was solely his fault I would have to disagree completely with that. His inability to clear it certainly started the mess though.
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2019, 09:48:48 PM
Love the guy and think that he is an excellent defender generally, but at what stage do we start to become concerned with the poor mistakes that are leading to goals?
I make that at least three (today, Arsenal and Norwich) in the first ten games. Is it down to the amount of defending he has had to do/how open we can be? Or a lack of concentration?
I do think he has a tendency to be a little too causal at times, both with and without the ball.
Norwich for me wasn't the greatest backpass but I thought Heaton was incredible slow coming out, the pass still reached the penalty area so Heats must've been rooted on the goalline when the pass was made which isn't the greatest starting position.
He's an excellent CB for us with leadership and usually fantastic in the air. Also a calmness at the back when he's on the ball that helps us start our attacks.
What the season has shown us so far is he isn't quite top level, little lapses which the best teams have exploited. Still with where we are currently he's more than good enough.
Heaton was slow coming off his line because the sun was in his eyes and probably wasn't expecting Tyrone to attempt a volleyed backpass to him. Heaton gave him pelters straight after for it.
Post by: purpletrousers on November 07, 2019, 02:26:29 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on November 14, 2019, 07:15:24 PM
Dropped.
What the actual fuck?
Mon Montenegro.
Post by: manic-road on November 14, 2019, 07:15:57 PM
Dropped tonight for the utter shite that is John Stones
Surprised, doesn't deserve to be dropped after his debut and Stones isn't that good.
Post by: Villafirst on November 14, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Post by: Villafirst on November 14, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Somewhat surprising but I'd expect him to start the other game whenever that is !Don't bet on it with the twat Southgate
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2019, 07:49:19 PM
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Post by: Villafirst on November 14, 2019, 07:58:09 PM
Southgate is a twat. Oxlade-Chamberlain has started two league games all season, yet is straight back in the squad, and starts ahead of the likes of Maddison.
Spot on. Maddison is really in form and scoring for fun. But Southgate knows best.
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Post by: Villan For Life on November 14, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
He wanted to leave us for Chelsea, but couldn't. I've never really blamed him for criticising our ambition. We were all saying the same thing at the time. As for why he eventually ended up at Middlesbrough, I think there was something more than met the eye there. It seems too odd that as many as five Villa staff ended up there. I reckon Gregory may have been a difficult man to work under.
Wasn’t it around the time that Gibson had taken over at Boro? He threw his cash around so I imagine that he was paying much more than Villa were at the time. But as you say there is probably more to this and certainly Southgate and Ugo (rip) haven’t said anything.
Post by: brian green on November 15, 2019, 08:01:42 AM
Post by: Clampy on November 15, 2019, 09:25:45 AM
Montenegro nearly scored twice in that First half - poor defending from the centre backs.
I don't think even the best of sides could manage not to let the opposition have a shot or two on goal.
As for Tyrone, he was maybe harshly dropped but his time will come again. He'll probably play him on next time out now that we've virtually qualified.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2019, 10:22:14 AM
Montenegro nearly scored twice in that First half - poor defending from the centre backs.
I don't think even the best of sides could manage not to let the opposition have a shot or two on goal.
That's true but in this instance it wasn't just a shot on goal it was atrocious central defending against a very poor team. A chasm between the two central defenders allowing a forward to run into. A better forward would have punished England.
Post by: MalcolmP on November 15, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
The way Southgate left Villa was very nasty. My opinion of him is very similar to his opinion of Villa. Ditto David Platt, but to return to the thread, the shot of Tyrone as he left the dug out after yesterday's game spoke volumes. He is a very intelligent guy and it is very easy to read his body language. A potential giant of a player. An national treasure confined to the role of understudy. A conversation between Raheem and Tyrone on the subject of the player we rescued from Crystal Palace midfield mediocrity would be worth listening to.I'm glad he didn't play after his possible groin problem last game. At the time looked similar to the play off final injury that forced him off. Maybe not selected to protect his 'injury'? We need him against Newcastle, more so if Engels is still injured.
Post by: The Edge on November 15, 2019, 10:43:45 AM
Good point.The way Southgate left Villa was very nasty. My opinion of him is very similar to his opinion of Villa. Ditto David Platt, but to return to the thread, the shot of Tyrone as he left the dug out after yesterday's game spoke volumes. He is a very intelligent guy and it is very easy to read his body language. A potential giant of a player. An national treasure confined to the role of understudy. A conversation between Raheem and Tyrone on the subject of the player we rescued from Crystal Palace midfield mediocrity would be worth listening to.I'm glad he didn't play after his possible groin problem last game. At the time looked similar to the play off final injury that forced him off. Maybe not selected to protect his 'injury'? We need him against Newcastle, more so if Engels is still injured.
Post by: Mister E on November 15, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
He did want to leave us for Middlesbrough after all.He didn't really want to leave us - he jsut did not believe that Doug had the ambition for Villa to win anything.
Having said that, if we'd not capitulated in the 2000 FAC final, he might have led us on to greater things.
I like Southgate: he always gave 100% and seems pretty authentic.
Post by: Pete3206 on November 15, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2019, 06:14:46 PM
Southgate left for more money. Boro were throwing it around at the time.He had been tapped up by Chelsea and asked to leave for ambition. If I recall correctly Chelsea pulled out, but because he had kind of burn't his Bridges he took the next offer. And at that time Boro were far more ambitous than us.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 16, 2019, 10:02:26 AM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50186828
Post by: Pete3206 on November 17, 2019, 03:54:56 PM
Please don't get injured.
Post by: KRS on November 17, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
Post by: The Edge on November 17, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 17, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Post by: KRS on November 17, 2019, 05:46:56 PM
Post by: p_ad on November 17, 2019, 08:42:36 PM
Post by: Davkaus on November 17, 2019, 08:44:42 PM
So how did Ming's do after his ropey start, haven't seen the match yet
Quite a poor game from him. Didn't get challenged defensively really, but his passing was incredibly sloppy. He's not alone though.
Post by: p_ad on November 17, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 17, 2019, 08:53:59 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 17, 2019, 09:47:20 PM
Tackle Success: 100% (=1st)
Touches: 109 (1st)
Accurate Passes: 94 (1st)
Pass Accuracy: 93.1% (3rd)
Post by: KRS on November 17, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 18, 2019, 12:00:04 AM
Maybe Glenn was a better co-commentator in a previous life?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 18, 2019, 12:00:53 AM
Post by: brian green on November 18, 2019, 07:29:25 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 18, 2019, 07:56:32 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 18, 2019, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 18, 2019, 12:12:55 PM
Clearances: 5 (1st in team)That should make him MotM.
Tackle Success: 100% (=1st)
Touches: 109 (1st)
Accurate Passes: 94 (1st)
Pass Accuracy: 93.1% (3rd)
Post by: OCD on November 18, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 18, 2019, 12:51:27 PM
The commentator was getting on my nerves with how often he was bringing up Cristiano Ronaldo's name.
Clive “that night in Barcelona/Istanbul” Tyldesley really gets on my wick. Pair him up with Glenda Hoddle and you have just about the worst comms pairing since Alan Green and Mark Lawrenson.
Post by: dave shelley on November 18, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
Edit, actually he is a play by play commentator in the MLS for Atlanta United.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 18, 2019, 02:59:00 PM
Does that prick Green still do commentaries on 5Live can anyone say? I used to love listening to football commentaries, still do now and again, I was brought up on them. It was Green more than anyone that stopped me listening. A Grade A c**t!
Liverpool fan to boot.
Post by: AV82EC on November 18, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Does that prick Green still do commentaries on 5Live can anyone say? I used to love listening to football commentaries, still do now and again, I was brought up on them. It was Green more than anyone that stopped me listening. A Grade A c**t!
When he started he was very good as he learnt at the knee of one Peter Jones but as soon as Jones tragically passed away after Hillsborough, he seemed to lose his way and it became much more about him and his opinions.
I don’t know if it’s just me getting older but I so miss many of those great radio or TV comms guys. Peter Jones and Barry Davies, both artists of the less is more brigade, along with Coleman, Moore etc etc. Modern commentary has regressed so much into a profession and that search for the iconic commentary moment to be up there with Wolstenhomes 66 and it does the whole thing a disservice. Ye gods I’m even missing Pat Murphy being sarcastic about the Villa!
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 18, 2019, 06:01:44 PM
In fact I hate most of ITV commentators
commentator ' so what you think to Mings'
Hoddle ' I actually like tomori '
religious twat
Post by: Steve67 on November 18, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
Hoddle is a useless co commentator
In fact I hate most of ITV commentators
commentator ' so what you think to Mings'
Hoddle ' I actually like tomori '
religious twat
Tomori is an agile player but he has a mistake in him every game. Hoddle hasn't had a proper job in football for years, there is a reason for that. It because he's a twunt.
Post by: themossman on November 18, 2019, 07:09:56 PM
Does that prick Green still do commentaries on 5Live can anyone say? I used to love listening to football commentaries, still do now and again, I was brought up on them. It was Green more than anyone that stopped me listening. A Grade A c**t!
Liverpool fan to boot.
He always used to say ‘this is dire stuff’ about our evening games before we got relegated. Used to get right on my tits even if he was right.
Post by: KRS on November 18, 2019, 08:23:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2019, 09:06:38 AM
I'd never heard of Tomori until he came on last night. 55 games on loan at Derby last season and 14 so far for Chelsea. Go figure.
There's your answer. More so because Steve Holland was a coach there.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 20, 2019, 06:25:34 PM
Does that prick Green still do commentaries on 5Live can anyone say? I used to love listening to football commentaries, still do now and again, I was brought up on them. It was Green more than anyone that stopped me listening. A Grade A c**t!
Liverpool fan to boot.
I thought he supported Macclesfield?
Post by: brontebilly on November 20, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
I'd never heard of Tomori until he came on last night. 55 games on loan at Derby last season and 14 so far for Chelsea. Go figure.
Was decent in playoff final against us.
Players from London clubs always have appeared to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to international selection. Another example here.
Post by: JJ-AV on November 21, 2019, 06:26:24 AM
I'd never heard of Tomori until he came on last night. 55 games on loan at Derby last season and 14 so far for Chelsea. Go figure.
Was decent in playoff final against us.
Players from London clubs always have appeared to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to international selection. Another example here.
Although Mings has started 2 of England's last 3.
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2019, 07:00:17 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 21, 2019, 09:12:11 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on November 21, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
If Mings was there, he'd been England captain material by now.
Post by: Clampy on December 04, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2019, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 04, 2019, 09:56:10 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 04, 2019, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2019, 10:00:55 PM
I reckon there's a good chance it will be Mings and Engels. Mings is so frustrating, so much good stuff from him but then so prone to basic mistakes. I don't know if it's over confidence or just that he loses concentration but he needs to work on it as his mistakes tend to be real brain farts rather than just the kind of error all players make.
Yes, if he was routinely getting beaten in the air, or outpaced, or dribbled past by better players, you could sort of accept that. But it's always unnecessary errors like keeping hold of the ball too long, or terrible back passes to put a team mate under pressure. It's almost like he hasn't realised that the Premier League is a massive step up, and doesn't have the time and space he had in the Championship.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2019, 12:08:31 AM
I get the feeling when he first got a call up for England he had a chat with Southgate who told him he got called up for his ball playing ability. Since then he's been overplaying in every game and now gets caught out.
He's no Beckenbauer at this level. Maybe in the championship but even then he was still hitting it long when under pressure.
If he goes back to that then he's a pretty good defender in many other aspects. For example we don't concede many from corners (except for Sunday) and he's a big part of that with his aerial ability.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2019, 12:21:58 AM
Tyrone needs to go back to basics.
I get the feeling when he first got a call up for England he had a chat with Southgate who told him he got called up for his ball playing ability. Since then he's been overplaying in every game and now gets caught out.
He's no Beckenbauer at this level. Maybe in the championship but even then he was still hitting it long when under pressure.
If he goes back to that then he's a pretty good defender in many other aspects. For example we don't concede many from corners (except for Sunday) and he's a big part of that with his aerial ability.
You would hope that a certain member of our coaching staff would be having that exact conversation with him.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2019, 12:36:46 AM
Tyrone needs to go back to basics.
I get the feeling when he first got a call up for England he had a chat with Southgate who told him he got called up for his ball playing ability. Since then he's been overplaying in every game and now gets caught out.
He's no Beckenbauer at this level. Maybe in the championship but even then he was still hitting it long when under pressure.
If he goes back to that then he's a pretty good defender in many other aspects. For example we don't concede many from corners (except for Sunday) and he's a big part of that with his aerial ability.
You would hope that a certain member of our coaching staff would be having that exact conversation with him.
Maybe they have but he's chosen to ignore it. Guess then only a game or two on the bench would wake him up but don't think it's anywhere near that bad, we'd miss his leadership at the back for a start.
Like many we've had his level has dipped since England games. Gareth Barry for example usually turned in flat games for us straight after England matches and his consistancy was generally brilliant for us.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 05, 2019, 07:53:16 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 05, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Lot of mistakes last night which he was fortunate didn't directly lead to goals. He is in danger of his good work being overshadowed by the consistent calamities. Sort it out Tyrone.
I thought he didn't take as many chances last night with the ball and put the ball out of play a couple of times. Putting that ball out for a corner in the second half with his right foot was poor but not a hanging offence. I'm struggling to recall many other mistakes to be honest so surprised to see as much criticism on here of him last night. Excellent in the air and his recovery pace was crucial a few times.
Konsa was all over the place next to him, Targett got destroyed at left back and our midfield was beaten all ends up second half. Thought Mings was reasonably solid in the circumstances.
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
For me, John Terry needs to be working more closely with Tyrone and really re-drilling into him some basics. He's too influential (and good when he's focused) to drop right now. If Chester's done for I'd be looking to get him off the books and perhaps bringing in an experience CH who's done the rounds a bit who could come in for certain games and keep tabs on our back line. That's not to say someone prone to injury of course. We need someone still physically up to scratch but with more miles clocked in big games.
Post by: AV82EC on December 06, 2019, 07:33:23 AM
Post by: john e on December 06, 2019, 09:28:43 AM
they are a good team together
Post by: Oscar Arce on December 06, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
Needs to forget this billy big bollocks England stuff and just defend.
Head it, kick it, clear it...
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 06, 2019, 11:09:36 PM
Worried about the mistakes that are creeping into his game, mainly by overplaying.
Needs to forget this billy big bollocks England stuff and just defend.
Head it, kick it, clear it...
Couldn't agree more, surely JT and other training staff have highlighted this when they watch the replay the match
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on December 07, 2019, 09:33:28 AM
Maybe just like some of the other players he needs to train hard and improve as time goes on. He is making mistakes and he isn't at his best, but it doesn't suddenly make him someone who thinks he is above everybody else.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2019, 09:51:29 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 08, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
He isn't.
Post by: LukeJames on December 08, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 08, 2019, 07:25:11 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 08, 2019, 07:26:28 PM
Post by: danno on December 08, 2019, 07:30:09 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on December 08, 2019, 07:31:09 PM
I love the guy, last season when he came in he got the club straight away, we were a perfect fit. However he's not beyond criticism and the last few weeks he has made some clangers in pretty much every game. He's a great blood and thunder, getting blocks in defender, its no coincidence that the ball regularly hits him when its in our box. Theres no fucking way he's a ball playing defender though and asking him to be one is why he's making so many errors.
Nail on head. He isn’t cultured enough in trying to be like Rio Ferdinand. Looks sloppy and lack in concentration but still our best CH and we need him back asap
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 08, 2019, 07:33:14 PM
Before he went off today I thought he was utterly crap. Reminded me of Steve Foster.
Ouch!
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 08, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Hause deserves a chance.
Yep agree
Post by: themossman on December 08, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 08, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
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Post by: Bobby Boy on December 09, 2019, 08:33:46 AM
Is there a question mark over the fitness coaching methods? It's the same most weeks that the team look tired after about 70 minutes. That is a worry going into the New Year.
I'm not sure whether it's fitness levels necessarily or whether it's the fact that we are so careless in possession that we are constantly having to chase around to recover mistakes and the fact that most teams are just more comfortable in possession than we are.
Leicester yesterday were exceptional at keeping the ball, passing it around and moving it on. We make so many simple passing mistakes.
Confidence has a lot to do with it I guess.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 09, 2019, 12:06:13 PM
Chester is still a excellent cb. Chester and engels for cb for me
Post by: Ad@m on December 09, 2019, 12:32:27 PM
But, I'm not convinced dropping him is the answer - I know Engels has been out for a while but with him and Konsa together at the back you could've driven a coach and horses between the two. I fear for our goal difference long-term without Mings in the team.
Post by: SW9-VILLA on December 09, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
Caught in possession again yesterday before he went off - like many others have said, he needs to get back to basics.
Yeah Mings seems to do these ponderous twists and turns on the ball that invite pressure and lead to dodgy passes. Happens at least once a game.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 09, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Mings hasn't looked right for some time to me, might be a good time to be without him in a weird way.
I always prefer a like for like replacement at CB, so Hause being left footed would be my choice alongside either Konsa or Engels
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2019, 02:29:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 09, 2019, 07:20:39 PM
Post by: AVH87 on December 09, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
I'd be tempted to give Hause a run at left back. He looked good there last year, and he can't possibly be as shit as either Targett or Taylor. That position has been an absolute graveyard for us over the last ten years or so.
I think the games coming up are the right sort for Targett, games against teams around us where we should dominate possession at home at least, so I'd keep him in and unfortunately I think Ming's will miss a couple of games so that's where Hause should slot in.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 09, 2019, 10:50:04 PM
I'd be tempted to give Hause a run at left back. He looked good there last year, and he can't possibly be as shit as either Targett or Taylor. That position has been an absolute graveyard for us over the last ten years or so.
10 years? I would argue Charles and Delaney were the last two consistently decent ones there but they were both injury prone.
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2019, 10:51:26 PM
I'd be tempted to give Hause a run at left back. He looked good there last year, and he can't possibly be as shit as either Targett or Taylor. That position has been an absolute graveyard for us over the last ten years or so.
10 years? I would argue Charles and Delaney were the last two consistently decent ones there but they were both injury prone.
They were right backs though. Bouma was our last decent left back.
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2019, 09:25:23 AM
I'd be tempted to give Hause a run at left back. He looked good there last year, and he can't possibly be as shit as either Targett or Taylor. That position has been an absolute graveyard for us over the last ten years or so.
10 years? I would argue Charles and Delaney were the last two consistently decent ones there but they were both injury prone.
They were right backs though. Bouma was our last decent left back.
Yep, and he was the first decent one for some time as well.
Post by: Drummond on December 10, 2019, 09:59:07 AM
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Post by: danno on December 11, 2019, 09:54:32 AM
Out until the new year according to rumours.
Can't you give more positive news? Tell me tell me lies, if you have to.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 11, 2019, 10:15:15 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Yes we are not in the relegation places as I write.
and that's after a run of games that anyone in the bottom half would dread.
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 11, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
Out until the new year according to rumours.
If that proves to be true it may not necessarily be the worst thing in the world. His composure and calmness which in principle is a huge strength has morphed into over-confidence and slackness which has been killing us in recent weeks.
We have reasonable strength in depth at centre half (if Hause is still in the manager's thinking) so we may not be as badly served by Tyrone's absence as we might think.
Hoping so anyway!
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 11, 2019, 04:49:04 PM
It was almost guaranteed that he would make one huge fuck up per game, either caught in possession or an awful stray pass. Maybe the injury was coming for a while and hindered his game.
Either way the rest may do him good. Almost the same could be said about SJM needing a break also
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 05:54:19 PM
Out until the new year according to rumours.
Can't you give more positive news? Tell me tell me lies, if you have to.
I heard they’ll know more by Monday morning.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
I love Jack but I’m sorry I don’t think he’s a natural leader.
Jack getting frustrated isn’t helping things and he needs to concentrate on his game.
Bit like Ian Botham in the ‘81 Ashes!
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
Hause has been good think he should be put at lb
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 11:00:04 AM
If he’s back for Burnley then he should be our skipper for me.
I love Jack but I’m sorry I don’t think he’s a natural leader.
Jack getting frustrated isn’t helping things and he needs to concentrate on his game.
Bit like Ian Botham in the ‘81 Ashes!
Captain in football is wholly different. It's really just a token gesture. In cricket the captain is expected to make all the decisions including team selection.
I don't think Mings needs the captaincy to be a natural leader.
Him being out has shown us up defensively, I'm sure we'll be far better when he's back in.
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
Him being out has shown us up defensively, I'm sure we'll be far better when he's back in.
I hope so, but the stats don't really back up that we're far better with him in the team. With Mings playing we've conceded 1.75 goals a game, without him it's 2 goals a game.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 30, 2019, 12:03:45 PM
Him being out has shown us up defensively, I'm sure we'll be far better when he's back in.
I hope so, but the stats don't really back up that we're far better with him in the team. With Mings playing we've conceded 1.75 goals a game, without him it's 2 goals a game.
With him in the side we've played Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd and the others. Without him in the side we've played Sheff Utd, Southampton, Norwich and Watford. The fact our average-goals-against has gone UP against those team speaks volumes.
Even given his propensity to make the odd howler, we're still a better defensive unit with him in the side.
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 12:17:08 PM
Him being out has shown us up defensively, I'm sure we'll be far better when he's back in.
I hope so, but the stats don't really back up that we're far better with him in the team. With Mings playing we've conceded 1.75 goals a game, without him it's 2 goals a game.
With him in the side we've played Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd and the others. Without him in the side we've played Sheff Utd, Southampton, Norwich and Watford. The fact our average-goals-against has gone UP against those team speaks volumes.
Even given his propensity to make the odd howler, we're still a better defensive unit with him in the side.
Saved me a job. Given that we're 1/4 goal better a game, and it's against the better sides shows his worth.
Yes he makes the odd howler but generally his possession, calmness and ability to make a last-ditch challenge have been sorely missed.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
I’d be quite tempted to try a formation with 3 centre backs giving him a bit of licence to drive forward.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 02, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
The rock is back. He sows this team together. Excellent performance returning from injury today.
You can't beat mother's milk.
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
The biggest miss is his leadership I think.
I’d be quite tempted to try a formation with 3 centre backs giving him a bit of licence to drive forward.
Yeah and how did that work out? :-)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2020, 09:33:28 PM
The biggest miss is his leadership I think.
I’d be quite tempted to try a formation with 3 centre backs giving him a bit of licence to drive forward.
Ha ha easy lark this football management!
Yeah and how did that work out? :-)
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2020, 12:00:30 AM
The biggest miss is his leadership I think.
I’d be quite tempted to try a formation with 3 centre backs giving him a bit of licence to drive forward.
Ha ha easy lark this football management!
Yeah and how did that work out? :-)
Easier than doing a quote on here anyway!
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2020, 07:03:33 AM
Post by: Border villan on January 08, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 08, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 08, 2020, 10:05:07 PM
We need 2-3 more with his and Jack's mentality.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 08, 2020, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2020, 10:25:51 PM
Stand out effort.
One time he made a block which is equivalent of GK making a save .
Maddison had a shot and Mings just was there like a wall to head it away
Superb. Absolutely brilliant by Dean Smith to recruiting him last season must be close to his anniversary of him coming to Villa.
Guy is immense.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 08, 2020, 10:31:18 PM
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 09, 2020, 09:36:43 AM
He really gave out to Jack in the second half when he was sloppy and let the ball go out for a throw in. It’s great that we finally have multiple leaders.
He was having stern words with Douglas after the goal too. He’s quite happy to give out a roasting which I think is probably a good thing.
Douglas can’t be any where in our half at the moment, he has a clanger in him every time he gets the ball.
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2020, 10:58:31 AM
He really gave out to Jack in the second half when he was sloppy and let the ball go out for a throw in. It’s great that we finally have multiple leaders.
He was having stern words with Douglas after the goal too. He’s quite happy to give out a roasting which I think is probably a good thing.
Douglas can’t be any where in our half at the moment, he has a clanger in him every time he gets the ball.
He roasted Nyland in the first half too for not passing a goal kick short.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 09, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
Only Villa bought him, well derrr yes.
Nobody else wanted him.
He's only got into the England team because others are injured.
Post by: BC Villain on January 09, 2020, 08:38:16 PM
Caught the end of a discussion about him on Talkshite this afternoon, they really do Talkshite about him.
Only Villa bought him, well derrr yes.
Nobody else wanted him.
He's only got into the England team because others are injured.
Adrian Durham?
Post by: Pete3206 on January 09, 2020, 08:41:53 PM
Pair of phone bait gobshites
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Caught the end of a discussion about him on Talkshite this afternoon, they really do Talkshite about him.
Only Villa bought him, well derrr yes.
Nobody else wanted him.
He's only got into the England team because others are injured.
He's shit but they were trying to sell him to Tottenham. Talksport that is. Crap radio station.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2020, 09:33:59 AM
Yes, and Darren Bent.Bent was a lot more defensive of Mings - said he thought he was better than Stones at pure defending (not on the ball) and he'd much prefer to play against Stones than Mings. He did agree with Durham that Mings is behind a few other centre halfs (Dunk, Maguire, Gomez and one or two others) but they were all decent players and it's a moot point on their hierarchy as they all have different qualities.
Pair of phone bait gobshites
Right now, for what we as a club need, I wouldn't swap Mings for many of them.
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2020, 09:58:47 AM
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2020, 10:17:39 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2020, 03:38:52 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 20, 2020, 02:32:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
When teamates arses need to be kicked on the pitch, Tyrone's the man for the job.
I really hope you are him, and have taken to talking about yourself in the third person because your awesomeness demands it.
Post by: Big Ming on January 20, 2020, 04:17:30 PM
Busted!When teamates arses need to be kicked on the pitch, Tyrone's the man for the job.
I really hope you are him, and have taken to talking about yourself in the third person because your awesomeness demands it.
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
What a star.
Post by: VillaAlways on January 21, 2020, 11:18:47 PM
Snigger
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219747089460146176?s=21
Post by: purpletrousers on January 22, 2020, 01:20:12 AM
This one is really funny. Ok not for EzriThanks, that’s great to see!
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219747089460146176?s=21
Post by: Somniloquism on January 22, 2020, 08:42:46 AM
“It is usually how it works”
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
“If you hadn’t touched that, it probably would have gone somewhere else you know”
“It is usually how it works”
Yeah, that made me laugh.
Post by: Big Ming on January 22, 2020, 09:41:40 AM
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2020, 11:15:49 AM
Nailed on VAR penalty if it hadn't gone in. A real knee trembler for whoever would have stepped up.
Knowing VAR, it probably still wouldn't have been given.
Post by: Chipsticks on January 22, 2020, 11:27:45 AM
Nailed on VAR penalty if it hadn't gone in. A real knee trembler for whoever would have stepped up.
Knowing VAR, it probably still wouldn't have been given.
I wonder who would have taken it?
Jack or Anwar?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 22, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
Post by: Brassneck on January 22, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
Nailed on VAR penalty if it hadn't gone in. A real knee trembler for whoever would have stepped up.
Well thankfully, it wouldn't have been Whelan. ;D
Post by: KRS on January 22, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2020, 02:17:06 PM
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2020, 02:31:58 PM
One thing Mings deserves massive credit with the goal yesterday was how he kept a cool head inside the box to then lay it off for the shot. Most would have panicked and tried to score themselves.
And then claimed the goal anyway! Brilliant!
Post by: Somniloquism on January 22, 2020, 02:39:04 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on January 23, 2020, 12:16:07 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on January 24, 2020, 12:56:05 AM
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Post by: purpletrousers on January 24, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2020, 11:28:38 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 29, 2020, 11:53:04 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 29, 2020, 11:58:26 AM
Just spend a short time during a match and watch how he is a born leader and how he commands the defence
McGuire @ £80 million - God knows what Tyrone is now worth
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 29, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Post by: andyh on January 29, 2020, 12:19:03 PM
Post by: exigo on January 29, 2020, 01:37:32 PM
Instagram linky (https://www.instagram.com/p/B74VU5lAIaj/)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 29, 2020, 01:56:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2020, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 29, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Post by: littleoldme on January 29, 2020, 09:20:57 PM
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2020, 09:23:10 PM
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Post by: stevo_st on January 29, 2020, 11:00:13 PM
Enjoying seeing the dynamic of Reina coming in, imposing himself on the back line, and taking some of the pressure of Mings.
Think he’ll help him take his game to an even higher level
Post by: Villan For Life on January 29, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
Hes almost too relaxed at times, which catches him out. He reminds a bit of David James in his style of play, James was as talented a keeper as you will ever see, but undid himself at times with odd decisions etc, but the supreme ability was obvious. Tyrone is similar, incredibly gifted player, great composure, but from time to time his own self belief almost leads him to make an incredibly stupid mistake. He and Gomez should be starting for England this summer without a doubt, if Maguire has to play big Ty can play on the left of a 3, which is Englands best formation anyway.
That really sums up one of the most iconic Villa players in ages particularly well. I love him and it’s incredible to think that he’s only been with us for a year.
The pics of him at Bournemouth Station in his Villa kit after the playoff final may have been staged but they are amongst my favourite Villa related pictures.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2020, 02:51:35 AM
Post by: KRS on January 30, 2020, 02:54:20 AM
I did notice that Tyrone always seem to try to over reach with his left foot rather than make a tackle with his right. It looks awkward and painful the way he contorts himself at times so he may improve even more if he can learn to use his right leg too.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2020, 08:34:27 AM
I did notice that Tyrone always seem to try to over reach with his left foot rather than make a tackle with his right. It looks awkward and painful the way he contorts himself at times so he may improve even more if he can learn to use his right leg too.
It's the one clear weakness in his game. He isn't comfortable even turning onto his right side. Seen for the Leicester goal in the first game.
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 11:10:50 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2020, 11:09:56 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2020, 11:49:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 24, 2020, 10:12:16 AM
Mings does not seem happy at all. Saying thibgs need to change. Potential split in DR?
Or we've lost 9 out of 13 and quite clearly things need to change or we get relegated. He's frustrated because we are losing almost every week for 3 months, he's saying exactly what we've said on here. It's not good enough.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 10:16:10 AM
Mings does not seem happy at all. Saying thibgs need to change. Potential split in DR?
Or we've lost 9 out of 13 and quite clearly things need to change or we get relegated. He's frustrated because we are losing almost every week for 3 months, he's saying exactly what we've said on here. It's not good enough.
I hope that is what he is alluding to. He looks really frustrated. Watching the game the back four were patehtic and letting him down. He qas the only one blocking running around.
Hause is poor. Looks better at lb than cb but targett should be ahead of him at lb.
Konsa looks very inconsistent at times. Is young and lets not forget he is stepping up from a lower level. Has done ok.
Engels started so well for us and seems better suiter to a 442 with mings. I remember the games earloer in the season he was blocking tackling looked rral good. But recently he looks so clumsy its like a differnet player.
Id keeo engels and konsa but get rid of hause in the summer along with taylor and elmo
Post by: Villan82 on February 24, 2020, 10:39:42 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 24, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
“We’re in a relegation battle and the minimum requirement is to fight and battle and we didn’t do that.
“We can have no complaints because it wasn’t good enough.
“We didn’t start well, didn’t get into the game. We’re one point above the relegation zone and the next time we play we may well be in the relegation zone, so something needs to change.”
Post by: Villan82 on February 24, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 10:57:13 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
Where have you seen these comments from Tyrone? I cannot find them.
(https://i.ibb.co/xFXKmmp/20200224-110153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFXKmmp)
Here you go pal
Post by: paul_e on February 24, 2020, 12:08:55 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 24, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 24, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 24, 2020, 08:45:36 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 24, 2020, 10:29:12 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2020, 04:27:31 PM
Post by: Rodders on February 25, 2020, 10:51:37 PM
Where have you seen these comments from Tyrone? I cannot find them.
(https://i.ibb.co/xFXKmmp/20200224-110153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFXKmmp)
Here you go pal
Is that pic from The Sun, Demitri old lad? Please don't do that again.
Most grateful. Thank you.
Post by: JD on February 26, 2020, 07:54:05 AM
Post by: Luke8 on February 26, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
Interesting interview with him on Villa TV about the final. The one thing I did pick up was that he said we need to defend higher up the pitch and not leave it to the defenders. It's what we see week after week, maybe big Ty is getting a bit pissed with some of the effort by the midfield.
Our pressing from the front as a team is really quite rubbish. Which is a bit odd as I though it was one of the first things that Smith implemented when he took over last year. Obviously hasn’t been able to sort it out this year for a variety of reasons and it’s one of the biggest things that is killing us defensively in my opinion.
Post by: Ads on February 26, 2020, 08:49:53 AM
I felt on Saturday we were doing this. Meeting their midfield, which out numbered our own, the ball would run loose or we would give it away and on the 2and phase, we would be disorganised. Midfielders out of position, shape ragged and far too loose as a consequence.
Post by: Luke8 on February 26, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
We don't do it with consistency. We tend to press the first ball, but if we recycle it quickly, we don't re-set.
I felt on Saturday we were doing this. Meeting their midfield, which out numbered our own, the ball would run loose or we would give it away and on the 2and phase, we would be disorganised. Midfielders out of position, shape ragged and far too loose as a consequence.
I think it’s mostly to do with our shape and, in particular, the fact that the team is so far apart with and without the ball. We are almost playing like a team that is better than ourselves, if that makes sense, we are just not quite good enough to make it work. Hence why we get a good performance (or good half/60 mins) here and there but then better/more organised opposition often prevail overall as we can’t quite knit it all together. Between them the players and staff haven’t been able to find a way to make it work successfully.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Where have you seen these comments from Tyrone? I cannot find them.
(https://i.ibb.co/xFXKmmp/20200224-110153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFXKmmp)
Here you go pal
Is that pic from The Sun, Demitri old lad? Please don't do that again.
Most grateful. Thank you.
I think its the star lad 😁
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 26, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
Where have you seen these comments from Tyrone? I cannot find them.
(https://i.ibb.co/xFXKmmp/20200224-110153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFXKmmp)
Here you go pal
Is that pic from The Sun, Demitri old lad? Please don't do that again.
Most grateful. Thank you.
I think its the star lad 😁
That's almost as bad.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 12:27:45 PM
Where have you seen these comments from Tyrone? I cannot find them.
(https://i.ibb.co/xFXKmmp/20200224-110153.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFXKmmp)
Here you go pal
Is that pic from The Sun, Demitri old lad? Please don't do that again.
Most grateful. Thank you.
I think its the star lad 😁
That's almost as bad.
Nothing is as bad as any paper owned by that vermin murdoch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
It's a shame he's having to do everything and if Guilbert had nt been so reckless he would have not had to be so frankly desperate to stop a goal and concede a penalty
Btw I think that was his shoulder and no penalty but VAR didn't want to over rule.
He cleverly played it off his shoulder yet because his arm moved it's a penalty ?
Bull shit.
Mings deserves some credit for his efforts v Leicester but he should not have to be covering everyone's asses all the time
(Excuse the language tonight )
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
One man defence v Leicester .
It's a shame he's having to do everything and if Guilbert had nt been so reckless he would have not had to be so frankly desperate to stop a goal and concede a penalty
Btw I think that was his shoulder and no penalty but VAR didn't want to over rule.
He cleverly played it off his shoulder yet because his arm moved it's a penalty ?
Bull shit.
Mings deserves some credit for his efforts v Leicester but he should not have to be covering everyone's asses all the time
(Excuse the language tonight )
Sorry, I disagree. Tyrone was just as much a part of the omnishambles as the rest of them. He was very poor. I like the guy, but he was crap tonight.
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2020, 12:00:02 AM
Post by: Villan82 on March 10, 2020, 12:00:57 AM
Post by: TonyD on March 10, 2020, 12:05:16 AM
But that could be the utter shitfest that is our defence coaching. Who knows ?
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 12:15:36 AM
Post by: Brassneck on March 10, 2020, 12:18:55 AM
That fraud Southgate probably told him how important it is to play out of defence and ever since, he keeps looking for the wonder ball.
He came back after injury and looked good in a 3 but defended poorly tonight.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 10, 2020, 12:27:23 AM
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 12:39:46 AM
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 12:40:28 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2020, 12:42:12 AM
I get he wasn't great compared to previous season form however he was the best compared to rest of defence as he was the only one I could see doing effective defending
Engels was the shambles who either passed it to Leicester player , too slow or tried heading it back for a near o.g with Reina.
I only thought Mings was good in comparison to defence.
And from what I recall he was giving great effort from blocks headers and covering more than anyone else.
He did get caught once on ball but generally was ok I mean what else can he do when he has those lot around him!
Post by: CT on March 10, 2020, 08:10:58 AM
He clearly ain't a leader when the going gets tough, and that's exactly what we need.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2020, 08:13:30 AM
Post by: Mister E on March 10, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
Shocking tonight, actually looked like he doesn’t care, which is the most worrying aspect. His distribution was just abysmal.That's the problem: the 'coaching' team and players have parted company, I think.
Post by: ROBBO on March 10, 2020, 08:41:19 AM
Post by: The Cocky Brum Spaniel on March 10, 2020, 08:42:04 AM
Last night was a train wreck of a display from him.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 10, 2020, 08:45:18 AM
Post by: Villan82 on March 10, 2020, 08:46:59 AM
I thought this man would be massive for us- need him to step up and rally the troops for the battle.
Post by: Oscar Arce on March 10, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Try getting back to basics like marking players, defending and clearing the ball without all the drag backs and long pinging passes and use it as a base but at the moment he simply can't defend for toffee.
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2020, 02:48:30 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 10, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 10, 2020, 03:05:44 PM
He's been as bad as anyone else this season for sure. He got a lot of plaudits last season and rightly so, and he's had some great games this season. But overall he hasn't upped his game to the level required.
Him mouthing 'how how how' last night might have been him thinking others had screwed up, but if he think's he's been doing enough himself then he clearly wants to take a good hard look in the mirror.
Post by: john e on March 10, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Mings just isn't as good as Mings thinks he is.
Try getting back to basics like marking players, defending and clearing the ball without all the drag backs and long pinging passes and use it as a base but at the moment he simply can't defend for toffee.
Agree
He plays himself into trouble most of the time
I’m shouting at the telly when he starts to think he’s Franco Baresi just clear the danger at the first opportunity don’t start being clever
I can’t believe Smiths not hold him this
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 03:22:59 PM
He's been as bad as anyone else this season for sure. He got a lot of plaudits last season and rightly so, and he's had some great games this season. But overall he hasn't upped his game to the level required.
Him mouthing 'how how how' last night might have been him thinking others had screwed up, but if he think's he's been doing enough himself then he clearly wants to take a good hard look in the mirror.
That's what irks me about him, he goes around looking pissed off with the others, when at the moment he's playing as badly as everybody else.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2020, 03:27:04 PM
It's a bit lazy or causal at times and he gets found out.
Players are wise to it or he just thinks he can ease them off the ball.
The other thing is his time on the ball playing at his own pace. Has to be very careful with that play.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 10, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
The other thing is his time on the ball playing at his own pace. Has to be very careful with that play.
Are you suggesting he does too much fannying around?
Post by: CT on March 10, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
Why does our club never build on momentum? Think back to last May, we had so much going for us .
I thought this man would be massive for us- need him to step up and rally the troops for the battle.
This.
And when we get it wrong, we go balls out and get it wrong. No half measures, were either alright or were beyond pathetic.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 10, 2020, 08:07:03 PM
I am not seeing nearly enough leadership from him.
Post by: garyshawsknee on March 10, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2020, 09:22:18 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on March 12, 2020, 07:55:17 AM
He’s a good player. It’s bloody hard when the midfield offer no protection and the full backs can’t really defend.
That's where I'm at with him, Paul.
The midfield and full back positions are really lacking. We needed a younger Jedinak in the centre of midfield for this whole season.
Post by: Mister E on March 12, 2020, 09:16:59 AM
Most games he seems to have a semi brain freeze. I like him a lot, but don't think he's good enough to be the no1 centre back, he would do better playing with a more experienced player next to him.For me, this is a management issue. We know that Mings has a good game inside him, but that the whole team seems caught in the headlights ... the coaches should be sorting Mings out as part of rectifying all the current problems.
Post by: ktvillan on March 12, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
Given he is 6 foot 5, I don’t think I’ve seen a centre back in the Premier division this season worse than Tyrone at heading a ball or winning it consistently in the air.
Agree he's regularly beaten in the air by smaller players, and was bullied by the Kosovo centre forward when playing for England. He gets an easy time from some Villa fans because of his good performances last season, but this is the PL and for me he hasn't stepped up. I've been saying for ages he's full of errors, much like the rest of our players, and nowhere near as good as he or some of us like to think he is, and I was surprised at his England call up.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 12, 2020, 10:17:14 AM
Given he is 6 foot 5, I don’t think I’ve seen a centre back in the Premier division this season worse than Tyrone at heading a ball or winning it consistently in the air.
Agree he's regularly beaten in the air by smaller players, and was bullied by the Kosovo centre forward when playing for England. He gets an easy time from some Villa fans because of his good performances last season, but this is the PL and for me he hasn't stepped up. I've been saying for ages he's full of errors, much like the rest of our players, and nowhere near as good as he or some of us like to think he is, and I was surprised at his England call up.
Can say that about Harry maguire , John stones, Michael keane too.
Post by: ktvillan on March 12, 2020, 10:31:02 AM
Post by: Big Ming on March 12, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
Stones and Keane are poor/mediocre players, so no great defence of Mings. I think your comparison to Maguire is way wide of the mark, he certainly doesn't drop clangers on a regular basis like Mings.Mings will be alright when he is'nt trying to do three men's jobs (both central defenders plus cover for Target (now known a "Shut the back door, Targett")
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 12, 2020, 11:40:39 AM
Stones and Keane are poor/mediocre players, so no great defence of Mings. I think your comparison to Maguire is way wide of the mark, he certainly doesn't drop clangers on a regular basis like Mings.
Specifically then I should say thinking better than he is . Like most of the England defence.
As well as media hyping them.
Maguire has only just starting stepping up again as he's been very poor for what they paid.
Thinks he's some sort of Yorkshire Beckenbauer
Post by: supertom on March 12, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
But...he's also got everything to be a good player. Again, with headers and things. He does things a lot more awkwardly than he needs to. He tries too hard to cover other peoples jobs and granted in part, it's because he's playing with absolute league 1 quality bilge half the time, but he could simplify his game a lot.
I've always felt Mings, for the game time he's had at his age, is still basically a wet behind the ears kid. He's 27 (tomorrow...) but plays like a 21 year old who's still learning the top flight ropes. He needs an experienced CH next to him. He's not a leader. He shouts a lot but he's dopey. He's daft, he's doing the stupid rash things plays 5 years younger than him in that position make. The difference is, where Konsa and Hause are younger, they're also not good enough. Mings will be good enough, providing he's got someone next to him to tell him (stand the fuck up Tyrone... Go mark him at the corner Tyrone... stop pissing out of position Tyrone...don't dive in Tyrone...calm it down...). There's too much pressure on him to be the guy who would normally have 200 games under his belt, minimum (At the highest level).
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 12, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
The thing with Mings is, he's so ungainly. And it's not sort of to his benefit either. If you remember say, Wanchope, or Kanu, Crouchy I suppose. They look ridiculous, but that always used to give them an advantage in situations. One thing about Mings is whether he stretches unnaturally for a ball, or tries to tackle with the wrong foot and putting his body in a tangled mess of over-extension, or diving in the most unfathomable was toward a ball he could simply punt out or stoop to header (the pen against Leicester). He seems to regularly contrive to either injure himself, or make something that should look physically simple, look like he's been demonically possessed and is trying to fight off a malicious spirit. How many times have you seen Mings go for a last ditch tackle (and I grant you, he is the one there, and he's often the only one who gets close...) and then spend 5 minutes wincing and clutching his hamstring, stretching his calf? He's a fucking nightmare.Close the thread
But...he's also got everything to be a good player. Again, with headers and things. He does things a lot more awkwardly than he needs to. He tries too hard to cover other peoples jobs and granted in part, it's because he's playing with absolute league 1 quality bilge half the time, but he could simplify his game a lot.
I've always felt Mings, for the game time he's had at his age, is still basically a wet behind the ears kid. He's 27 (tomorrow...) but plays like a 21 year old who's still learning the top flight ropes. He needs an experienced CH next to him. He's not a leader. He shouts a lot but he's dopey. He's daft, he's doing the stupid rash things plays 5 years younger than him in that position make. The difference is, where Konsa and Hause are younger, they're also not good enough. Mings will be good enough, providing he's got someone next to him to tell him (stand the fuck up Tyrone... Go mark him at the corner Tyrone... stop pissing out of position Tyrone...don't dive in Tyrone...calm it down...). There's too much pressure on him to be the guy who would normally have 200 games under his belt, minimum (At the highest level).
Post by: Luke8 on March 12, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
I've always felt Mings, for the game time he's had at his age, is still basically a wet behind the ears kid. He's 27 (tomorrow...) but plays like a 21 year old who's still learning the top flight ropes. He needs an experienced CH next to him. He's not a leader. He shouts a lot but he's dopey. He's daft, he's doing the stupid rash things plays 5 years younger than him in that position make. The difference is, where Konsa and Hause are younger, they're also not good enough. Mings will be good enough, providing he's got someone next to him to tell him (stand the fuck up Tyrone... Go mark him at the corner Tyrone... stop pissing out of position Tyrone...don't dive in Tyrone...calm it down...). There's too much pressure on him to be the guy who would normally have 200 games under his belt, minimum (At the highest level).
I don’t agree with this whole paragraph, but the point about his inexperience is key.
Mings had started less than 80 professional games before this season. For comparison, Erzi Konsa had started nearly 50 games more than that at the same point.
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
Given he is 6 foot 5, I don’t think I’ve seen a centre back in the Premier division this season worse than Tyrone at heading a ball or winning it consistently in the air.
Correct, he is brutal at actually heading the ball. It barely clears the box. Unable to kick or even turn onto his right foot either (Hourihane has the same limitation). Look he is in horrendous form but there is still a good player in there somewhere.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 12, 2020, 02:36:46 PM
The thing with Mings is, he's so ungainly. And it's not sort of to his benefit either. If you remember say, Wanchope, or Kanu, Crouchy I suppose. They look ridiculous, but that always used to give them an advantage in situations. One thing about Mings is whether he stretches unnaturally for a ball, or tries to tackle with the wrong foot and putting his body in a tangled mess of over-extension, or diving in the most unfathomable was toward a ball he could simply punt out or stoop to header (the pen against Leicester). He seems to regularly contrive to either injure himself, or make something that should look physically simple, look like he's been demonically possessed and is trying to fight off a malicious spirit. How many times have you seen Mings go for a last ditch tackle (and I grant you, he is the one there, and he's often the only one who gets close...) and then spend 5 minutes wincing and clutching his hamstring, stretching his calf? He's a fucking nightmare.It's a shame he didn't come to us early enough to play alongside Terry for a season
But...he's also got everything to be a good player. Again, with headers and things. He does things a lot more awkwardly than he needs to. He tries too hard to cover other peoples jobs and granted in part, it's because he's playing with absolute league 1 quality bilge half the time, but he could simplify his game a lot.
I've always felt Mings, for the game time he's had at his age, is still basically a wet behind the ears kid. He's 27 (tomorrow...) but plays like a 21 year old who's still learning the top flight ropes. He needs an experienced CH next to him. He's not a leader. He shouts a lot but he's dopey. He's daft, he's doing the stupid rash things plays 5 years younger than him in that position make. The difference is, where Konsa and Hause are younger, they're also not good enough. Mings will be good enough, providing he's got someone next to him to tell him (stand the fuck up Tyrone... Go mark him at the corner Tyrone... stop pissing out of position Tyrone...don't dive in Tyrone...calm it down...). There's too much pressure on him to be the guy who would normally have 200 games under his belt, minimum (At the highest level).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 19, 2020, 11:47:32 PM
For context, there's a Twitter account by someone who sells merchandise featuring 'artwork' that they have created depicting various footballers if they were in possession of female breasts. I'm not sure why.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2020, 12:48:21 AM
The thing with Mings is, he's so ungainly. And it's not sort of to his benefit either. If you remember say, Wanchope, or Kanu, Crouchy I suppose. They look ridiculous, but that always used to give them an advantage in situations. One thing about Mings is whether he stretches unnaturally for a ball, or tries to tackle with the wrong foot and putting his body in a tangled mess of over-extension, or diving in the most unfathomable was toward a ball he could simply punt out or stoop to header (the pen against Leicester). He seems to regularly contrive to either injure himself, or make something that should look physically simple, look like he's been demonically possessed and is trying to fight off a malicious spirit. How many times have you seen Mings go for a last ditch tackle (and I grant you, he is the one there, and he's often the only one who gets close...) and then spend 5 minutes wincing and clutching his hamstring, stretching his calf? He's a fucking nightmare.
But...he's also got everything to be a good player. Again, with headers and things. He does things a lot more awkwardly than he needs to. He tries too hard to cover other peoples jobs and granted in part, it's because he's playing with absolute league 1 quality bilge half the time, but he could simplify his game a lot.
I've always felt Mings, for the game time he's had at his age, is still basically a wet behind the ears kid. He's 27 (tomorrow...) but plays like a 21 year old who's still learning the top flight ropes. He needs an experienced CH next to him. He's not a leader. He shouts a lot but he's dopey. He's daft, he's doing the stupid rash things plays 5 years younger than him in that position make. The difference is, where Konsa and Hause are younger, they're also not good enough. Mings will be good enough, providing he's got someone next to him to tell him (stand the fuck up Tyrone... Go mark him at the corner Tyrone... stop pissing out of position Tyrone...don't dive in Tyrone...calm it down...). There's too much pressure on him to be the guy who would normally have 200 games under his belt, minimum (At the highest level).
Just watching the old season reviews over last week and Ugo was a master at getting inbetween the striker and one of his gangly legs would pinch the ball.
I agree a calm old head alongside Mings would've been good. I'm going to suggest a random name who I've never seen mentioned on here....g**y ca**ll !
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 20, 2020, 01:25:01 AM
Just watching the old season reviews over last week and Ugo was a master at getting inbetween the striker and one of his gangly legs would pinch the ball.
Ugo, Southgate and McGrath. Can you imagine what a set of centre halves like that would fetch these days, when a Harry Maguire costs £80m? I had no idea at the time just how lucky I was to be watching them.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2020, 05:51:45 PM
https://www.forbes.com/30-under-30/2020/europe/sports-games/#5c0aae971bb1
Post by: Mister E on March 24, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Confirmed once again as fucking awesome. This time in Forbes 30 under 30 for his work outside of the gameNice; thx for sharing.
https://www.forbes.com/30-under-30/2020/europe/sports-games/#5c0aae971bb1
£20m is now his reported fee from Bournemouth .... seems to inflate every time someone reports it.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 17, 2020, 02:07:56 PM
Post by: in exile on April 17, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
Post by: simboy on April 17, 2020, 02:17:52 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
Plays well.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 17, 2020, 02:25:28 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
Plays well.
Keeps its position exceptionally well.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 17, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
Post by: Damo70 on April 17, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
If we resume the season he will be playing all the right games but not necessarily in the right order.
Post by: simboy on April 17, 2020, 02:55:29 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
If we resume the season he will be playing all the right games but not necessarily in the right order.
Scores well, so probably quite popular
Post by: simboy on April 17, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
If we resume the season he will be playing all the right games but not necessarily in the right order.
Could say he's going to be a key player
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2020, 04:54:02 PM
Tyrone mings bought a pianoToo late for him to play for the Ivory Coast.
Hopefully he'll be able to strike the right chord with his team-mates when they're all back together again.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?
Could say he's going to be a key player
Could? Surely it's a bit more black and white than that!
Post by: nordenvillain on April 19, 2020, 03:27:39 PM
Great...got any stats on the piano?He needs to stay more upright and look more Grand
Could say he's going to be a key player
Could? Surely it's a bit more black and white than that!
Post by: curiousorange on April 19, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 19, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2020, 09:37:08 AM
Tyrone mings bought a piano
Were there any strings attached?
Post by: themossman on May 04, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2020, 05:53:17 PM
"If you believe everything in the press then I’m currently preparing myself to play with a mask, with gloves, for less than 45 minutes each way, whilst quarantining.... in Australia"
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 20, 2020, 07:48:12 AM
He seems very articulate and comes across very well, also he is plainly a pretty level headed and clever chap as well as a natural leader.
Is he Vice captain? Does that role still exist?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 27, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1265585830598447105
Post by: Hairbandinho on May 27, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
I see he's joined Jay Z's management empire. I have no idea what that means.
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1265585830598447105
Following the NFL as I do looking at the clients represented it is a bit worrying most of them have a reputation of being trouble makers grumbling to be traded or wanting more money. Not to say Mings will go down that road though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2020, 12:25:36 PM
I see he's joined Jay Z's management empire. I have no idea what that means.
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1265585830598447105
Following the NFL as I do looking at the clients represented it is a bit worrying most of them have a reputation of being trouble makers grumbling to be traded or wanting more money. Not to say Mings will go down that road though.
If you were trying to start a management company for NFL players and decided NOT to include those with bad reputations, you would be left with a very small pool to choose from.
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
I see he's joined Jay Z's management empire. I have no idea what that means.
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1265585830598447105
Following the NFL as I do looking at the clients represented it is a bit worrying most of them have a reputation of being trouble makers grumbling to be traded or wanting more money. Not to say Mings will go down that road though.
If you were trying to start a management company for NFL players and decided NOT to include those with bad reputations, you would be left with a very small pool to choose from.
Doesn't help that owners are by and large a bunch of odious racist shitbags as well.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2020, 08:30:38 PM
I'm pretty sure that means we can count Beyonce as a Villa fan, and she has to buy me a pint in The Bartons.
Feel free to crack on with Beyonce but let me know if she shows up with Ariana Grande. ;)
Post by: Ads on May 27, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Post by: Richard E on May 27, 2020, 08:51:14 PM
De Bruyne isn't exactly a bad boy.
He only looks about 15.
Post by: adrenachrome on June 04, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 05, 2020, 12:42:31 AM
Where the heck were the rest of the squad?
Mings is a class act
I think we would all like to see more than Mings at such a movement.
I would like to see Aston Villa squad taking a knee to show the support like Liverpool Chelsea and Leicester squads have. And show solidarity to the cause of black lives
Other clubs have released statements Now Mings who in my eyes has shown his leadership by taking a stand.
For me he's a great role model . And is captain all but in name.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2020, 12:51:21 AM
Post by: tony scott on June 05, 2020, 07:55:38 AM
Post by: brian green on June 05, 2020, 08:06:53 AM
Post by: darren woolley on June 05, 2020, 10:25:43 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Jack Grealish take note. This is how a football role model behaves.
He already has taken note, and Tweeted support for the cause.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 05, 2020, 01:00:07 PM
Mings is showing his support and solidarity for the Black Lives Matter movement in attendance to a 4,000-strong gathering at Victoria Square in city centre, was protesting against racial injustice .
Where the heck were the rest of the squad?
Mings is a class act
I think we would all like to see more than Mings at such a movement.
I would like to see Aston Villa squad taking a knee to show the support like Liverpool Chelsea and Leicester squads have. And show solidarity to the cause of black lives
Other clubs have released statements Now Mings who in my eyes has shown his leadership by taking a stand.
For me he's a great role model . And is captain all but in name.
Massively agree with you about Mings being a class act, footy.
Don't agree with the captaincy thing. Grealish any day of the week. But let's see how this season turns out. I think Mings would stay with us. Jack, probably not. Who knows.
I think we've got a close squad and I'm sure there is plenty of solidarity regarding the black lives matter cause. Do we have to take a knee to show that? I don't know. It is a powerful gesture though and one I fully support.
Cheers Footy.
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
Jack Grealish take note. This is how a football role model behaves.
Maybe he has pledged his support in some way.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 05, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
Mings is showing his support and solidarity for the Black Lives Matter movement in attendance to a 4,000-strong gathering at Victoria Square in city centre, was protesting against racial injustice .
Where the heck were the rest of the squad?
Mings is a class act
I think we would all like to see more than Mings at such a movement.
I would like to see Aston Villa squad taking a knee to show the support like Liverpool Chelsea and Leicester squads have. And show solidarity to the cause of black lives
Other clubs have released statements Now Mings who in my eyes has shown his leadership by taking a stand.
For me he's a great role model . And is captain all but in name.
Massively agree with you about Mings being a class act, footy.
Don't agree with the captaincy thing. Grealish any day of the week. But let's see how this season turns out. I think Mings would stay with us. Jack, probably not. Who knows.
I think we've got a close squad and I'm sure there is plenty of solidarity regarding the black lives matter cause. Do we have to take a knee to show that? I don't know. It is a powerful gesture though and one I fully support.
Cheers Footy.
I can accept Grealish as Captain just think Mings more suited as a communicator.
And if he was captain he would have others there but I don't know just thinking on really.
Dean Smith was a captain all thought his career so will trust him on that one to keep Jack as Captain . ok despite the whole Grealish covidiots behaviour we move on and get behind him and know he is generally well intentioned character, loves the club and has spoken of his regret.
As well this he is unbelievable at football.
Mings just suits a captains role but the main thing on the field at least very happy to have them in our team and off field they both have done many a supporting action for people so that's all can say on that really because we all make mistakes
Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2020, 01:54:57 PM
But Jack has also been a very good captain other than the lockdown brain fart an excellent role model over the last few years - look at the way he handled getting punched.
Stripping Jack of the captaincy would have been massively counter productive, particularly if we have any aspirations to keep hold of him. So for me any talk of captaincy change should be put on hold whilst Jack is still at the club.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 05, 2020, 02:07:31 PM
Mings is undoubtedly captain material and if you were making a decision now then of course he'd be perfect.
But Jack has also been a very good captain other than the lockdown brain fart an excellent role model over the last few years - look at the way he handled getting punched.
Stripping Jack of the captaincy would have been massively counter productive, particularly if we have any aspirations to keep hold of him. So for me any talk of captaincy change should be put on hold whilst Jack is still at the club.
Undoubtedly the way Grealish conducted himself with that moron who attacked him was commendable. And whatsomore he was determined to win the match and score.
And similarly Mings for England was inspiring to all in dealing with the moronic behaviour directed towards him.
Sure quite understand to have Jack Grealish as Captain though it would have been in rights to have changed him if Club felt necessary and like to think he would have accepted but no more captaincy talk from me more than happy to have them both in the team !
Up the Villa!
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 06:55:33 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2020, 06:59:45 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 07:43:49 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 05, 2020, 08:01:42 PM
I was equally proud to receive a hand written note from him to me and junior, thanking us for supporting him . Top man in my books - as an aside, junior received a signed shirt and letter from Anthony Joshua, when Anthony heard he had been severely beaten by two blokes after a televised boxing bout - jnr was badly kicked in the head and had his one hand completely smashed whilst trying to protect his face - what did the police do? Told him to " fuck off back to Formby " He spent days in hospital having his hand " reconstructed"
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:07:40 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
And yes, if you can not socially distance in a protest you shouldn't be whining about doing so at workm
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
Why is the protest pointless though?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 08:13:34 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2020, 08:16:47 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 08:22:34 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
And yes, if you can not socially distance in a protest you shouldn't be whining about doing so at workm
Sure.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 05, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Probably because there is no racism or inequality over here...Or West Midlands police officers under investigation for over aggressive behaviour .........
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:26:28 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
Why is the protest pointless though?
Because it relates to events in another country, and will effect no change there. I don't condone the event which was horrible, but it is illegal there and being dealt with. But the protest in Birmingham will achieve nothing and is irrelevant. A protest in Birmingham Alabama I see the point of.
There are hundreds of counties worse than the US for police brutality, where are the protests?
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:27:45 PM
So the whole world is pointlessly protesting then?
No, just the bits not in the US
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
Probably because there is no racism or inequality over here...
This is one of the the least racist countries in the world, something we should be proud of. Not that we shouldn't always be looking to do better though.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2020, 08:30:15 PM
Post by: Nev on June 05, 2020, 08:31:33 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:32:57 PM
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
Probably because there is no racism or inequality over here...
Dalian Atkinson probably looked at them in a funny way.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
So the whole world is pointlessly protesting then?
No, just the bits not in the US
Right so it’s regionalized.
So you’re saying that if an incident such as this happens in another country other than ours is an irrelevance to the rest of the world.
I disagree along with many, many millions of others I suspect.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 05, 2020, 08:36:46 PM
Because it relates to events in another country, and will effect no change there. I don't condone the event which was horrible, but it is illegal there and being dealt with. But the protest in Birmingham will achieve nothing and is irrelevant. A protest in Birmingham Alabama I see the point of.Nobody at any of the protests outside the US think they're going to change Trump's mind or the US police's mindset. That's not the point at all. It's about solidarity and standing up against something you know to be wrong.
There are hundreds of counties worse than the US for police brutality, where are the protests?
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 05, 2020, 08:50:55 PM
Yeah, looks it.There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
Post by: Small Rodent on June 05, 2020, 08:51:00 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
Are you trying to say, all lives matter?
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
Because it relates to events in another country, and will effect no change there. I don't condone the event which was horrible, but it is illegal there and being dealt with. But the protest in Birmingham will achieve nothing and is irrelevant. A protest in Birmingham Alabama I see the point of.Nobody at any of the protests outside the US think they're going to change Trump's mind or the US police's mindset. That's not the point at all. It's about solidarity and standing up against something you know to be wrong.
There are hundreds of counties worse than the US for police brutality, where are the protests?
Change Trump's mind how? Trump condemned the event and rightfully so. The policeman is charged with murder and rightfully so.
What would you have Trump do? Kangaroo court? Tolerate riots?
Not a fan of Trump but struggle to see your point.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 08:54:45 PM
Saying nothing more on this as don't feel strongly enough to argue.
Apparently this was false news.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 05, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
No, more a case of wasting time and energy discussing anything when you make such irrelevant jumps in context. It's the Godwin principal in motion.
I despise racism, but see no point in these particular protests in the UK. This does not mean U support aparteid and the assertion us frankly obnoxious to the point where I won't waste time discussing with you.
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2020, 09:02:32 PM
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
Based on your previous "those Traore, Veretout and Gueye wasters will never amount to anything" history I'm not sure that's much better.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2020, 09:03:52 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
No, more a case of wasting time and energy discussing anything when you make such irrelevant jumps in context. It's the Godwin principal in motion.
I despise racism, but see no point in these particular protests in the UK. This does not mean U support aparteid and the assertion us frankly obnoxious to the point where I won't waste time discussing with you.
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
That's twice you've said you won't discuss an exact parallel.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
Hmm, I just spent 15 minutes trying to check your claim that you work in South Africa and they have just changed the law that prevented prosecution of the murderers of White farmers. I can find lots on The Myth of the White Genocide though but nothing on that law. Obviously it might not have been widely reported or I'm searching for the wrong thing so come back to ask for any help you have of finding that law to find you have removed that line from your post. So can you point me to websites or document that show the law please?
I'm not saying farmers are not being murdered and I can see that both the HRW and Genocide Watch have condemned the inadequacies of the SA Government in protecting the farmers there and the lack of support from other countries on this issue, just nothing on a law change to make it essentially legal to kill a white farmer.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 09:19:41 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
No, more a case of wasting time and energy discussing anything when you make such irrelevant jumps in context. It's the Godwin principal in motion.
I despise racism, but see no point in these particular protests in the UK. This does not mean U support aparteid and the assertion us frankly obnoxious to the point where I won't waste time discussing with you.
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
That's twice you've said you won't discuss an exact parallel.
It is more like the change to not prosecuting for holding small levels of cannabis. Still illegal, but less likely to end in any prosecution.
Doesn't change aparteid being wrong. It's a complicated country.
Post by: papa lazarou on June 05, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2020, 09:31:10 PM
Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
And yes, if you can not socially distance in a protest you shouldn't be whining about doing so at workm
This is the bit you want to withdraw to the background in this debate. The protests are very specifically to do with how it is indicative of US policing torwards that community.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 09:36:03 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
No, more a case of wasting time and energy discussing anything when you make such irrelevant jumps in context. It's the Godwin principal in motion.
I despise racism, but see no point in these particular protests in the UK. This does not mean U support aparteid and the assertion us frankly obnoxious to the point where I won't waste time discussing with you.
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
That's twice you've said you won't discuss an exact parallel.
It is not an exact parallel, it is a ridiculous comparison.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2020, 09:38:54 PM
There was absolutely no point protesting against apartheid outside South Africa.
Emotive nonsense. Aparteid was an abomination, but the US is one of the most egalitarian nations on earth.
A subject you just can't be bothered talking about five minutes, and a point that seems to have sailed right over your head.
No, more a case of wasting time and energy discussing anything when you make such irrelevant jumps in context. It's the Godwin principal in motion.
I despise racism, but see no point in these particular protests in the UK. This does not mean U support aparteid and the assertion us frankly obnoxious to the point where I won't waste time discussing with you.
It's a football site and in future I will stick to that like I have most of the last umpteen years.
That's twice you've said you won't discuss an exact parallel.
It is not an exact parallel, it is a ridiculous comparison.
Discrimination based on race.
Post by: Ian. on June 05, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 09:46:59 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 09:47:25 PM
A whole system predicated on discrimination predicated on race - apartheid.
Vs
A whole system where discrimination predicated on race is illegal. Where a specific incident of disgusting police behaviour has resulted in a murder charge and rightfully so. Said attack may have been racially motivated or may have been a cop that was an areshole to all races. Either way the individual is bad, but the system has him up for murder.
Not even close to parallel.
Done discussing. Just an opinion and not a topic I am affected by enough to have a big debate over.
I like Tyrone, and probably shouldn't have said anything. I respect different opinions and regret expressing mine here.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 09:56:19 PM
Other Police start getting targeted and ambushed so they are all on heightened alert which then indirectly leads to the killing of Justine Diamond. She reports a potential crime, Police come and can't see anything. They then hear a loud noise by the car and both draw their weapons. She surprises them and one shoots one bullet fatally killing her. He happens to be a black officer. They both try to save her with CPR but ultimately fail . He is charged with Second Degree intentional Murder and get convicted of Third Degree murder and jailed.
Yes white folks die at the hands of the Police with two in the last 5 years in a similar way to Lloyd. And white police do sometimes get jailed for killing black people. But it is rare and the cases of Philandro and Justine show the discrepancies.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2020, 09:59:46 PM
Done discussing. Just an opinion and not a topic I am affected by enough to have a big debate over.
Not being confrontational here, but that bit in bold, isn't that effectively the problem for society as a whole?
I'm white, male and middle class. I've had a privileged upbringing and don't really want for anything in life.
I've never been subjected to racial discrimination, either, but I know that if i was, to the extent that black people are - not just in the US, but here too - I would be mad as fuck over this stuff.
The problem is that too many of those people who aren't impacted by it just turn their cheek and walk away from it, like many awful things which happen in life.
No, it doesn't impact me. Does that make it anything other than absolutely abhorrent?
No, it doesn't, and maybe it's time more people who don't get personally impacted by things like this started getting really, really angry about it?
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 10:01:56 PM
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2020, 10:03:41 PM
It's not our problem my arse. It may just be your opinion, but when state it on a forum expect it to be challenged when it's so blatantly wrong.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
I'm with ASHTON. Absolutely zero evidence that this murder was racially motivated whatsoever. The cop(s) will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, and rightly so. Whether it was racially aggravated at this stage is completely undetermined, irrespective of the world-wide commotion about the event.
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
Jesus christ. So having a criminal record means the police can kill you 13 years later?
Post by: Ian. on June 05, 2020, 10:08:16 PM
This is bollocks. Of course it makes a point. The incident in America is just raising a long standing World Wide issue. It’s everywhere, I see it all the time on Social Media. The words - them, those, blacks, why, who, all relating to a person who’s not white. We’re all the same but we’re not. That’s the problem.Risking infection in a protest whilst minging on about risking it in the job he is paid handsomely is somewhat contradictory.
Only if you equate playing a game of football with innocent people getting murdered by the police.
False dichotomy.
The incident, which is reprehensible, happened in a different country. In that different country the actions were illegal and have resulted in a murder charge.
It is not clear that the appalling behaviour was racially motivated, or just plain appalling behaviour either way it is bad.
Didn't happen here and not indicative of Britain, British policing. To be honest not even indicative of US policing in general.
Why is the protest pointless though?
Because it relates to events in another country, and will effect no change there. I don't condone the event which was horrible, but it is illegal there and being dealt with. But the protest in Birmingham will achieve nothing and is irrelevant. A protest in Birmingham Alabama I see the point of.
There are hundreds of counties worse than the US for police brutality, where are the protests?
This protest is about years and years of discrimination, persecution, abuse, victimisation, bullying...the list goes on and on.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:09:15 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 10:11:56 PM
When you see Police mostly get off from shooting a black person "accidentally" as they thought he had a gun. Look at Philandro Castille killing. Officer pulled him over because he was black and a suspect he was looking for was black. Totally complied with all instructions. Supplied the information he had a firearm so they were aware and not surprised by it. Policeman panics, shoots into the car from point blank 7 times hitting Philandro 5 times and literally missing the child in the back seat by inches. He then proceeded to not try first aid and literally left him to bleed out whilst threatening the in shock wife. He only gets charged with Manslaughter and gets off.
Other Police start getting targeted and ambushed so they are all on heightened alert which then indirectly leads to the killing of Justine Diamond. She reports a potential crime, Police come and can't see anything. They then hear a loud noise by the car and both draw their weapons. She surprises them and one shoots one bullet fatally killing her. He happens to be a black officer. They both try to save her with CPR but ultimately fail . He is charged with Second Degree intentional Murder and get convicted of Third Degree murder and jailed.
Yes white folks die at the hands of the Police with two in the last 5 years in a similar way to Lloyd. And white police do sometimes get jailed for killing black people. But it is rare and the cases of Philandro and Justine show the discrepancies.
Horrible. Illegal. Not for a second saying the US has no issues, or here. But the US is not even in the top 100 countries for police brutality. Look at the Philippines. Look at China, Russia.
Look at police brutality in Hong Kong. Not seen any marched against it. If there were they would probably also be pointless.
I guess my main point badly expressed was that if you are going to go to protests then moaning about smaller risks from work is annoying. I regret bringing it up and will leave it at that. I am autistic, I sometimes don't get the strength of feeling involved in such things.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2020, 10:13:24 PM
These pig ignorant views are exactly why these protests are needed.
Exactly.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
I'm with ASHTON. Absolutely zero evidence that this murder was racially motivated whatsoever. The cop(s) will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, and rightly so. Whether it was racially aggravated at this stage is completely undetermined, irrespective of the world-wide commotion about the event.
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
Jesus christ. So having a criminal record means the police can kill you 13 years later?
I didn't say anything about his vast prior criminal record, but maybe I should have been clearer, which is a fair challenge.
However, you don't just think the police chucked him on the floor for no reason, or do you? Because that's what the media and this 'outage' will have you believe. The police were doing their job, and for a reason. They killed him, without good reason and they will be served justice (if all's good in the world), but they were there at that time for a reason, because he was engaged in criminal activity, the same as any white, black, brown, green, blue, pink man could have been, too.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2020, 10:16:27 PM
I tell you something.I'm with ASHTON. Absolutely zero evidence that this murder was racially motivated whatsoever. The cop(s) will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, and rightly so. Whether it was racially aggravated at this stage is completely undetermined, irrespective of the world-wide commotion about the event.
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
Jesus christ. So having a criminal record means the police can kill you 13 years later?
There are some extraordinary people on this site sometimes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 10:18:45 PM
That is not the police 'doing their job'. And the statistics suggest that it would've been far less likely to have happened if he'd been white.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 10:19:41 PM
I'm with ASHTON. Absolutely zero evidence that this murder was racially motivated whatsoever. The cop(s) will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, and rightly so. Whether it was racially aggravated at this stage is completely undetermined, irrespective of the world-wide commotion about the event.
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
Jesus christ. So having a criminal record means the police can kill you 13 years later?
A bit like when the Police woman shot the man in his own apartment because she made a mistake and her Dept specifically released that they found pot in his home as if that exonerated her.
It might not be racially motivated, but as I posted earlier, this is the same PD that stopped a black man because he looked like a suspect who was black and at him seven times through an open Window in front of his wife and child, but threw the book at a black cop who shot a white woman once. One plus point from this is that SOME Police in America seem to have decided to stop allowing kneeling directly on the neck as a legal form of restraint. Wonder what they will change that to next.
Post by: Ian. on June 05, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on June 05, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
But the US is not even in the top 100 countries for police brutality. Look at the Philippines. Look at China, Russia.
Yeah, it's not as bad as one party repressive state, a one leader repressive state and a tinpot dictatorship where the leader thinks it's ok to go around summarily shooting people.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 10:27:04 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
Has it? Not seen it reported, although even if it wasn't, still no need for that treatment.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
If you believe the murder wasn’t racially motivated, that America is egalitarian or that we don’t have our own issues with institutional racism then you’re at best ignorant and deluded and at worst a part of the problem. I’m immensely proud of Tyrone (who has proven time and again to be a stand up role model) and think that any sanction from the club would be nothing short of reprehensible.
Who said anything about a sanction? You just made that up.
The rest is opinion.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 10:30:26 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:30:34 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
Has it? Not seen it reported, although even if it wasn't, still no need for that treatment.
I thought it had been reported it wasn't fake, maybe i'm mistaken. But as I said in a post afterwards, it makes no difference.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2020, 10:32:35 PM
And even if he was passing a moody $20, he was murdered while under arrest on the floor and cuffed. Anyone that doesn't have a problem with that is a right wrong 'un imo.
Yep there is absolutely no excuse, justification, or any kind of narrative that makes it ok.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2020, 10:37:06 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Why is it false? There is absolutely nothing in your post to that point which suggests it wasn't racist. Or am I missing something?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 10:38:03 PM
And even if he was passing a moody $20, he was murdered while under arrest on the floor and cuffed. Anyone that doesn't have a problem with that is a right wrong 'un imo.
Yep there is absolutely no excuse, justification, or any kind of narrative that makes it ok.
So you'd think.
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 10:38:05 PM
If this was the first time a black person was killed by a cop in America you might have a point. But black people are disproportionally murdered by the police in America. It's an undisputable fact.
Whether this particular death was racially motivated or not is missing the point entirely. But seeing a black man murdered in cold blood by a white policeman is symbolic of the issue.
Post by: Nev on June 05, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on June 05, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
If you believe the murder wasn’t racially motivated, that America is egalitarian or that we don’t have our own issues with institutional racism then you’re at best ignorant and deluded and at worst a part of the problem. I’m immensely proud of Tyrone (who has proven time and again to be a stand up role model) and think that any sanction from the club would be nothing short of reprehensible.
Who said anything about a sanction? You just made that up.
The rest is opinion.
In terms of a sanction I was speaking hypothetically.
When presented with enough evidence it becomes more than an opinion.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 10:51:37 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Unless I'm mistaken, the punishment for the ingestion of proscribed pharmaceuticals is *checks notes* fuck all, as opposed to summary execution. Still though, you carry on twitching your curtain. It must be terrible being you.
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Unless I'm mistaken, the punishment for the ingestion of proscribed pharmaceuticals is *checks notes* fuck all, as opposed to summary execution. Still though, you carry on twitching your curtain. It must be terrible being you.
Why did you change the last three words? I thought it was a beautiful turn of phrase.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Unless I'm mistaken, the punishment for the ingestion of proscribed pharmaceuticals is *checks notes* fuck all, as opposed to summary execution. Still though, you carry on twitching your curtain. It must be terrible being you.
Why did you change the last three words? I thought it was a beautiful turn of phrase.
I didn't want a ban!
Post by: Axl Rose on June 05, 2020, 11:03:01 PM
I wrote to Tyrone after the way he conducted himself when playing for England - standing proud in the face of adversity - I was proud of him and let him know it
I was equally proud to receive a hand written note from him to me and junior, thanking us for supporting him . Top man in my books - as an aside, junior received a signed shirt and letter from Anthony Joshua, when Anthony heard he had been severely beaten by two blokes after a televised boxing bout - jnr was badly kicked in the head and had his one hand completely smashed whilst trying to protect his face - what did the police do? Told him to " fuck off back to Formby " He spent days in hospital having his hand " reconstructed"
Shit, I'm sorry to hear about your son mate. I hope he's feeling better, and you're keeping well, pal.
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 11:03:29 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 11:04:24 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Where? I've seen that widely repeated, but not officially reported.
The video I've no idea. The toxixology you can see here apparently. (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/read-george-floyd-autopsy-report-with-cause-of-death-and-other-factors/) Some more conservative site are stating that the official report was the drugs and his age caused the death and not the knee to the neck although this isn't the case. Both state homicide with drugs being minimal not to have an effect on death.
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 11:04:34 PM
I wrote to Tyrone after the way he conducted himself when playing for England - standing proud in the face of adversity - I was proud of him and let him know it
I was equally proud to receive a hand written note from him to me and junior, thanking us for supporting him . Top man in my books - as an aside, junior received a signed shirt and letter from Anthony Joshua, when Anthony heard he had been severely beaten by two blokes after a televised boxing bout - jnr was badly kicked in the head and had his one hand completely smashed whilst trying to protect his face - what did the police do? Told him to " fuck off back to Formby " He spent days in hospital having his hand " reconstructed"
Shit, I'm sorry to hear about your son mate. I hope he's feeling better, and you're keeping well, pal.
Seconded.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Why is it false? There is absolutely nothing in your post to that point which suggests it wasn't racist. Or am I missing something?
I'll turn that back to you, pws. What suggests that this was racist?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
keiron - you're not getting it.
If this was the first time a black person was killed by a cop in America you might have a point. But black people are disproportionally murdered by the police in America. It's an undisputable fact.
Whether this particular death was racially motivated or not is missing the point entirely. But seeing a black man murdered in cold blood by a white policeman is symbolic of the issue.
No, I am getting it. I'm getting that we're fed, by the media, selection information to suit a narrative and the masses automatically believe what they're told. Again, the officer that killed George deserves and will go to jail, hopefully for a very long time. A white man killed a black man, yes. What if it was a black cop killing a white man? The race is irrelevant. The relevance is that one human murdered another.
Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2020, 11:11:16 PM
The problem is fixing it will take years because you have a country that was built on slavery and when slavery was banned they just switched to double standards making it far more difficult for black citizens to 'live the american dream' driving neighbourhoods into poverty and then treating the people living their as criminals for being poor. Malcolm X and MLK made a difference for a little while but everything since has reopened the vast divide in opportunity with the majority of black americans trapped in the poorest neighbourhoods with the worst prospects. The protests are global because whilst the specific issues of police brutality aren't common elsewhere the environment that created the problem still is. Look at the gang culture and knife crime problems in the UK and you see it laid out as clear as can be, society has failed the black community all over the world, I don't care what the trigger was this time, the message is just and any decent person should be backing them on it.
#alllivesmatter and all the related bollocks needs to get in the fucking sea.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2020, 11:11:23 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
I wouldn't say he dropped anything. He's already cuffed at that point, I believe. Something falls out of his pocket as he slides to the floor. It could be almost anything.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2020, 11:12:02 PM
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:15:42 PM
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 05, 2020, 11:19:43 PM
Racism continues to exist in many forms in this country, so to say these protests are irrelevant is just belittling the injustices racial minorities experience in all walks of life.
Interestingly, the Villa represented racial diversity to me long before I even understood what it meant, but it doesn’t mean we should allow ourselves to become complacent.
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 11:23:09 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Still not the fucking point!!!!!
Post by: aev on June 05, 2020, 11:23:53 PM
Erm, anyway, well done Tyrone.
Racism continues to exist in many forms in this country, so to say these protests are irrelevant is just belittling the injustices racial minorities experience in all walks of life.
Interestingly, the Villa represented racial diversity to me long before I even understood what it meant, but it doesn’t mean we should allow ourselves to become complacent.
Gary Younge put something on twitter today about the importance, significance and power of protest for black people in America. Worth digging out.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 11:24:14 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:26:50 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Still not the fucking point!!!!!
A man murdered a man, Ad@m, so what is the point you're making?
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 11:27:59 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
Possession of a Phil Collins album is definitely grounds for violent arrest, in my book.
Reports of paying for cigarettes with a dodgy-looking note? Not so much.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 11:29:49 PM
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 11:29:54 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Still not the fucking point!!!!!
A man murdered a man, Ad@m, so what is the point you're making?
Many would say it's a luxury (or rather, a privilege) to detach such things from their context.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:29:58 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
I think you should probably be careful, SE. I have not said anything racist whatsoever, but merely given an opinion that George Floyd's murder hasn't been confirmed a racist act.
"just like you don't value the lives of black people" - I respectfully request that you retract that comment.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 05, 2020, 11:30:05 PM
Lacking with ability to see perspective
That person who started it off saying it was a pointless protest should ask Mings as he wouldn't be impressed either with what you said.
And several others we have to endure not getting it and giving , what I can only see , a narrow minded perspective , one without sentiment one with out empathy and one without much knowledge to the history of inequality regards race.
At least here over the last few pages that's it's clearly only a few ill informed minority who are being so dismissive of something a Villa player has the principles to stand up for and protest despite any risk .
It's worse this minority on here are more interested to try and defend their position rather than seek to learn or look at things from another point of view.
To those minority Mings may read this and you're embrassing yourselves.
It's no surprise how some are the same who tried to bully me off the site so at least they are consistent with their poor way of looking out for other people and respecting. I reported them before and I'll do it again.
Some really nasty bully boy behaviour here who only want to get their way
Really these people should be banned as it's against forum rules and it's causing a moral outrage on Mings thread.
It's insulting it really is what some people said.
And well done most of us for voicing how we don't agree with such small mindedness on this site!
Up the villa
Post by: Ad@m on June 05, 2020, 11:30:49 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Still not the fucking point!!!!!
A man murdered a man, Ad@m, so what is the point you're making?
You could scroll back the last couple of pages and actually read what's written.
But I'll save you the bother - predominantly white police officers routinely kill unarmed black people in America. 3 times as often as they do white people.
That's just wrong and in the context of American history is clearly racist.
We should be proud of one of our senior players making a stand against that.
I honestly can't put it clearer than that.
Post by: Rory on June 05, 2020, 11:32:25 PM
I find it appalling some people's views here clearly not understanding the context.
Lacking with ability to see perspective
That person who started it off saying it was a pointless protest should ask Mings as he wouldn't be impressed either with what you said.
And several others we have to endure not getting it and giving , what I can only see , a narrow minded perspective , one without sentiment one with out empathy and one without much knowledge to the history of inequality regards race.
At least here over the last few pages that's it's clearly only a few ill informed minority who are being so dismissive of something a Villa player has the principles to stand up for and protest despite any risk .
It's worse this minority on here are more interested to try and defend their position rather than seek to learn or look at things from another point of view.
To those minority Mings may read this and you're embrassing yourselves.
It's no surprise how some are the same who tried to bully me off the site so at least they are consistent with their poor way of looking out for other people and respecting. I reported them before and I'll do it again.
Some really nasty bullies here who only want to get their way
Really these people should be banned as it's against forum rules and it's causing a moral outrage on Mings thread.
It's insulting it really is what some people said.
And well done most of us for voicing how we don't agree with such small mindedness on this site!
Up the villa
I didn't read all of it ;) but well said, Vill I An.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
I think you should probably be careful, SE. I have not said anything racist whatsoever, but merely given an opinion that George Floyd's murder hasn't been confirmed a racist act.
"just like you don't value the lives of black people" - I respectfully request that you retract that comment.
I respectfully request that you take your request and use it to fornicate yourself with an enormous stick.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2020, 11:35:42 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
I think you should probably be careful, SE. I have not said anything racist whatsoever, but merely given an opinion that George Floyd's murder hasn't been confirmed a racist act.
"just like you don't value the lives of black people" - I respectfully request that you retract that comment.
I respectfully request that you take your request and use it to fornicate yourself with an enormous stick.
Can we keep this topic civil, please?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 11:36:46 PM
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:38:36 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
Based on evidence?
The racist police in the US don't value the lives of black people, just like you don't value the lives of black people. The fact that you tried to tried to excuse his murder because he had taken drugs proves this. What would you think if you read an ANC forum and they explained the death of a white farmer with the 'evidence' that he wasn't innocent because he had Phil Collins CDs in his car (I would exonerate on this basis, but that's me)?
An officer of the state murdered a man in broad daylight. He may have murdered him because of his race (which he did) or he may have murdered him because he didn't like his trousers. The point is that the state, time and again murders black people in disproportionate numbers. The problem is the state.
I think you should probably be careful, SE. I have not said anything racist whatsoever, but merely given an opinion that George Floyd's murder hasn't been confirmed a racist act.
"just like you don't value the lives of black people" - I respectfully request that you retract that comment.
I respectfully request that you take your request and use it to fornicate yourself with an enormous stick.
You've made a serious accusation about me, unfounded. I've asked you to retract.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 05, 2020, 11:40:43 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 05, 2020, 11:41:22 PM
I don't claim he killed him because he was black, but he was more likely to be killed because he was black. But America also has systemic racism issues across the board. An example of this is for your earlier claim on being charged and going to Prison for Floyds murder. This is the state that allowed the shooting of an black man in a traffic stop shot at 7 times to go unpunished but jailed a black cop for shooting a white woman. So I would be shocked if Prison beckons. This is the Country that decided the copper who killed a restrained man for selling single ciggies did not deserve jail time. But to show it might not have been racist. This is also the country that allowed the death of Tony Timpa to go unpunished.
Post by: andyh on June 05, 2020, 11:50:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2020, 11:55:05 PM
You've made a serious accusation about me, unfounded. I've asked you to retract.
SE can look after himself but the short version of this is that getting a hair's breadth from saying he deserved it ...
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned George Floyd was an innocent man. I suggest you do some research, first.
you don't just think the police chucked him on the floor for no reason, or do you?
does make you look a bit racist.
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2020, 11:58:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2020, 12:01:13 AM
I have no idea.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 06, 2020, 12:04:51 AM
"False" (may as well have just used the word fake)
"I'm getting that we're fed, by the media, selection information to suit a narrative"
(All quotes attributable to kieron)
An interesting choice of language to express a viewpoint. It seems to me the poster in question has an agenda behind his/her poorly worded narrative.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2020, 12:28:03 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
This might help you understand. If you have 3 1/2 mins...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/mar/18/everyday-racism-what-should-we-do
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2020, 12:29:46 AM
The only logical conclusion is systemic and deep rooted institutional racism. I'm not surprised that Geroge Floyd had a criminal record. It is a society that prays on its poorest citizens and prison is a likely outcome not necessarily because of criminalty, but because its rigged that way. That means young black men disporoationely find themselves incarcerated.
As awful as the killing was, who was shocked? I wasn't.
My white, middle class brother in New York City- approached by officers early in the morning as he was carrying an open bottle of beer back to his apartment post England World Cup victory. The colour of his skin and his disarming English accent (which in my experience when you posh it up reduces the Cousins for some reason) meant he wasn't "booked" and was dealt with like a gentlemen. My future sister in law is mixed race. If she'd been there instead of our kid, the outcome would almost certainly have been different. That's all kinds of wrong. But that doesn't shock me either.
What I have found shocking has been the police response to justified angry protests. Assaults on everybody, where no lives appear to matter, assaults on the press and the beyond the pale assault for a photo opp. Maybe that the later is too much, speaks of my own white privileged sensibilities.
I'm not woke, anybody whose been bored shitless by my musing knows that. But if you cannot be appalled at our alleged best mates not just dabbling with facism this week, but trying on the jacket and admiring the reflection and understand why the Emperor went on the march, then I am genuinely shocked at that too.
Our God, all our God on here, is a black man, a deeply flawed genuins who has been in the cells. It happened to Dalian, it could happen to God- what would the reaction be then? Check his history, there for no reason?! I guess I'm naive.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2020, 12:32:04 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
This might help you understand. If you have 3 1/2 mins...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/mar/18/everyday-racism-what-should-we-do
And I should clarify, my point is, we are all unconciously if not consciously racist. Once you actually accept that, then it’s a bit easier to think, well from an informed position. So rather than me talk about you, I talk about me. With a blank wife, mixed race kid, family and friends, colleagues in Africa, grown up challenging racism as a kid I have prejudice. So yes you are racist. We all are unless we’ve done remarkable work to deprogramme/isolate ourselves from social conditioning/media etc.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2020, 12:32:55 AM
Why would an Asian officer, an Hispanic officer, a black officer and a white officer kill a black man over white collar crime?
The only logical conclusion is systemic and deep rooted institutional racism. I'm not surprised that Geroge Floyd had a criminal record. It is a society that prays on its poorest citizens and prison is a likely outcome not necessarily because of criminalty, but because its rigged that way. That means young black men disporoationely find themselves incarcerated.
As awful as the killing was, who was shocked? I wasn't.
My white, middle class brother in New York City- approached by officers early in the morning as he was carrying an open bottle of beer back to his apartment post England World Cup victory. The colour of his skin and his disarming English accent (which in my experience when you posh it up reduces the Cousins for some reason) meant he wasn't "booked" and was dealt with like a gentlemen. My future sister in law is mixed race. If she'd been there instead of our kid, the outcome would almost certainly have been different. That's all kinds of wrong. But that doesn't shock me either.
What I have found shocking has been the police response to justified angry protests. Assaults on everybody, where no lives appear to matter, assaults on the press and the beyond the pale assault for a photo opp. Maybe that the later is too much, speaks of my own white privileged sensibilities.
I'm not woke, anybody whose been bored shitless by my musing knows that. But if you cannot be appalled at our alleged best mates not just dabbling with facism this week, but trying on the jacket and admiring the reflection and understand why the Emperor went on the march, then I am genuinely shocked at that too.
Our God, all our God on here, is a black man. I guess I'm naive.
I agree with Ads.
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2020, 12:35:26 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
This might help you understand. If you have 3 1/2 mins...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/mar/18/everyday-racism-what-should-we-do
And I should clarify, my point is, we are all unconciously if not consciously racist. Once you actually accept that, then it’s a bit easier to think, well from an informed position. So rather than me talk about you, I talk about me. With a blank wife, mixed race kid, family and friends, colleagues in Africa, grown up challenging racism as a kid I have prejudice. So yes you are racist. We all are unless we’ve done remarkable work to deprogramme/isolate ourselves from social conditioning/media etc.
Err don’t tell her I said that about her <laughing emoji>
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2020, 12:35:26 AM
No, I am getting it. I'm getting that we're fed, by the media, selection information to suit a narrative and the masses automatically believe what they're told.
You've got my curiosity now. Can you offer a couple of recommendations of where to learn more, without being fed information to suit a narrative?
I mean, you're quite clearly familiar with the story, and his criminal record. So where are you learning the truth about it?
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
No, I am getting it. I'm getting that we're fed, by the media, selection information to suit a narrative and the masses automatically believe what they're told.
You've got my curiosity now. Can you offer a couple of recommendations of where to learn more, without being fed information to suit a narrative?
I mean, you're quite clearly familiar with the story, and his criminal record. So where are you learning the truth about it?
I’d suggest the Daily Mail article that headlined how terrible it was as he’d turned his life around (and added that in again at the end) after devoting the entire article to his wrap sheet, even digging out the court records and as much detail as possible. Their equivalent of being shocked and disgusted by how little someone is wearing, by showing lots of semi-Nude pics...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2020, 12:51:32 AM
No, I am getting it. I'm getting that we're fed, by the media, selection information to suit a narrative and the masses automatically believe what they're told.
You've got my curiosity now. Can you offer a couple of recommendations of where to learn more, without being fed information to suit a narrative?
I mean, you're quite clearly familiar with the story, and his criminal record. So where are you learning the truth about it?
I’d suggest the Daily Mail article that headlined how terrible it was as he’d turned his life around (and added that in again at the end) after devoting the entire article to his wrap sheet, even digging out the court records and as much detail as possible. Their equivalent of being shocked and disgusted by how little someone is wearing, by showing lots of semi-Nude pics...
Let's be clear, it doesn't matter one jot whether he'd turned his life around or not. Execution (which ought not to exist) isn't decided on the spot by a thick, racist policeman.
Post by: algy on June 06, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
As for the George Floyd stuff. Maybe the chap who killed him wasn't racist, maybe his intentions weren't. I don't know him from Adam, he might be a lovely bloke.
But there's clearly systemic police racism in the US, and whatever his motives the policeman has been charged with murder. I don't think there'd be many people arguing that his actions were the right thing to do in the circumstances. Possibly he didn't realise the severity of the situation, but his colleagues were there and didn't say or do anything to prevent a totally unnecessary death.
I don't for one minute think we face the same scale of problem that they do in the US, but the Stephen Lawrence case shows we're not beyond it. Not being racist goes quite a lot further than just 'not killing people' - people shouldn't need to die for anti-racist action to take place.
Anyway, well done Tyrone. You're bloody marvellous.
Post by: brian green on June 06, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2020, 08:52:46 AM
It is the legacy of history that the associations we make with certain groups can be negative. As a white person you have to try and recognise that in yourself and learn from it.
Add to the mix that people who are attracted to a career in the Police are by definition likely to be strongly in favour of law and order, and therefore that there will be elements (not every one!) of a right wing/authoritarian bent and you can see how these situations arise.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 06, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Cheers.
Post by: amfy on June 06, 2020, 10:39:29 AM
We’ve evolved to make instant judgements about other people based on appearance. That is inevitable, if you had to individually assess each person you met you’d never get anything done and you probably wouldn’t be here because your ancestor would have got a spear through their heart.
It is the legacy of history that the associations we make with certain groups can be negative. As a white person you have to try and recognise that in yourself and learn from it.
Add to the mix that people who are attracted to a career in the Police are by definition likely to be strongly in favour of law and order, and therefore that there will be elements (not every one!) of a right wing/authoritarian bent and you can see how these situations arise.
This is so important. Pile a lifetime of media & societal conditioning on top of our primeval instinct to mistrust people who look different, and you have a high enough percentage of people (Even black people - the conditioning is that deep) who don’t think a black pupil at school, or a candidate at a job interview is quite as bright as he actually is, wonder what a black person is doing in a particular shop, a particular neighbourhood, see a black person as a threat before they are a threat, or a bigger threat than they are.
That’s how George Floyd’s murder is racist, even if there was no conscious thought about his colour. Even the non-white officers involved in his killing, thought he was more of a threat than he was, even when he was cuffed face down on the ground. That is what instinct+conditioning does. This is the very least way it was racist (I actually think it was more directly racist than that but that’s just an opinion based on Chauvin’s smug face but there you go)
When people say ‘all white people are racist, it’s too crude and it makes people defensive, but the truth is that we all do need to work on ourselves. Once you accept that, you can check yourself and catch yourself & move on.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 06, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
That’s how George Floyd’s murder is racist, even if there was no conscious thought about his colour. Even the non-white officers involved in his killing, thought he was more of a threat than he was, even when he was cuffed face down on the ground. That is what instinct+conditioning does. This is the very least way it was racist (I actually think it was more directly racist than that but that’s just an opinion based on Chauvin’s smug face but there you go)
They supposedly worked together for several years in security positions at the same night club with the copper earning extra cash as external security and George having a full time job as internal security. The owner stated they didn't know have any antagonism between them at work or how much they interacted but I would have though the internal and external security teams would have interacted at times when trouble occurred. The smirk might have been "look at how far you have fallen" or "I have job, you don't" or even "I will fix you for doing whatever that one time". However it still had roots in racism due to four cops behaving that way and also doing crowd control on I suspect the mostly black bystanders and just assuming they wanted tor rescue their colleague from jail rather then from death.
Post by: Small Rodent on June 06, 2020, 01:59:02 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
You keep coming up with the classic lines about the “media feeding” us. Implying you have a mightier mind than the rest of us.
Why don’t you just come out with it and whine “all lives matter”?
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
I'm sorry, but thete's nothing to 'understand' about them.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
If someone can advise this forum, based on evidence, how this murder was racist, I'm all ears.
You keep coming up with the classic lines about the “media feeding” us. Implying you have a mightier mind than the rest of us.
Why don’t you just come out with it and whine “all lives matter”?
Funnily enough I’ve been having a very similar argument with someone on Facebook today who seems to take exception to me re-posting something that explained why stating “all lives matter” is utterly reductive and missing the point.
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 06, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
What criminal activity was he involved in as the forged bill has been proven to be absolute bollocks.
This was not just about a fake $20 bill in its entirety as you're led to believe by what you've told in the media. No one will know fully until the police realise their version of the story, but it's widely reported that Floyd was:
"According to the toxicology report, Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system when he died, as well as cannabis compounds and morphine" as well as a video showing him drop a 'packet of white substance' just prior to being searched. The police were there for a reason.
Again, I do not condone the fact he was killed whatsoever. But to claim it was racist, at this stage, is false.
Why is it false? There is absolutely nothing in your post to that point which suggests it wasn't racist. Or am I missing something?
I'll turn that back to you, pws. What suggests that this was racist?
I originally grew up on a multi ethic council estate in Brum, albeit living an essentially middle class life now. I’m a trade unionist, I’m to the left, I believe this government in this country is shocking, I think spike lees quote about Trump being a gangster is completely accurate. And I am white and middle aged, what this ultimately means is I don’t experience racism first hand. Despite, having what I would consider, progressive opinions on matters of race and integration etc, some things I just never really saw until they pointed out to me. Being offered a seat on a packed train when a black colleague wasn’t, travelling by plane with a black colleague for work purposes regularly and them regularly being searched when I virtually never was, a black female colleague with dreadlocks having her hair touched and commented on in a ‘nice’ way by white people.
My point is as a white person who doesn’t experience this behaviour directly, I miss it. However if this behaviour is pointed out to you and you choose not to see it, you are making an active choice.
Thousands if not millions of people, largely but not solely from black communities have told us that what happened to George Floyd is endemic of on going racist behaviour in large elements of not just American society. The idea of that this isn’t reflective of what’s happening in this country is ignorant, when large parts of the brexit debate was completely based on racism.
You make an active choice not to see this as racist, you choose to ask the rest of us to prove it’s racist. Your continued justification of your position speaks volumes. Unfortunately I guess your opinions are formed throughout your life and like most social media ‘debates’ nothing will change them.
Post by: dave shelley on June 06, 2020, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2020, 03:47:10 PM
The knee of the neck of a black man in America will forever become the symbol of what it is like to black in America. I’ve lived there for a number of years and you would be incredibly naive to think in any way, shape or form that African Americans, outside of sports and entertainment are not looked down on by a large contingent of white society. They were imported to America against their will 400 years ago and that’s how so many look at them either consciously or subconsciously. Racism in America is alive and well. Trump is just a massive part of the problem. He didn’t create this, but his Presidency has only allowed him to reveal who he is and truly reveal the racism that exists in every corner of America.
Destroying racism wherever it is is like pushing a boulder up a mountain. It’s just hard work every single day. And right now there are more people pushing and it feels like we are getting closer to the top. The danger is, as it has always been is that eventually this energy will dry up. And then what? Do we go back to what it has been until another major incident takes place? Or this time, will we find a way to complete the climb? I don’t have faith in the latter.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 06, 2020, 05:17:54 PM
The death of George Floyd specifically might not have been overtly racially motivated but the systemic racism within the police force in the US is very well documented. Racial profiling is absolutely real and prevalent. George Floyd got treated by police like a black man in America. Where it escalated is that the police officer at the centre of this was a fucking bigoted wanker, a devotee of Trump, who has appeared on stage at one of rallies, and who saw no issue doing what he did in broad daylight. Did he intend to kill him? That’s yet to be determined and likely something that won’t be proven. But did he do everything he could to subject Floyd to the worst possible anguish and pain leading to his death? Absolutely he did.
The knee of the neck of a black man in America will forever become the symbol of what it is like to black in America. I’ve lived there for a number of years and you would be incredibly naive to think in any way, shape or form that African Americans, outside of sports and entertainment are not looked down on by a large contingent of white society. They were imported to America against their will 400 years ago and that’s how so many look at them either consciously or subconsciously. Racism in America is alive and well. Trump is just a massive part of the problem. He didn’t create this, but his Presidency has only allowed him to reveal who he is and truly reveal the racism that exists in every corner of America.
Destroying racism wherever it is is like pushing a boulder up a mountain. It’s just hard work every single day. And right now there are more people pushing and it feels like we are getting closer to the top. The danger is, as it has always been is that eventually this energy will dry up. And then what? Do we go back to what it has been until another major incident takes place? Or this time, will we find a way to complete the climb? I don’t have faith in the latter.
I agree with most of what you put but the photo's with Trump has been debunked.
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on June 06, 2020, 05:38:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2020, 05:46:35 PM
The death of George Floyd specifically might not have been overtly racially motivated but the systemic racism within the police force in the US is very well documented. Racial profiling is absolutely real and prevalent. George Floyd got treated by police like a black man in America. Where it escalated is that the police officer at the centre of this was a fucking bigoted wanker, a devotee of Trump, who has appeared on stage at one of rallies, and who saw no issue doing what he did in broad daylight. Did he intend to kill him? That’s yet to be determined and likely something that won’t be proven. But did he do everything he could to subject Floyd to the worst possible anguish and pain leading to his death? Absolutely he did.
The knee of the neck of a black man in America will forever become the symbol of what it is like to black in America. I’ve lived there for a number of years and you would be incredibly naive to think in any way, shape or form that African Americans, outside of sports and entertainment are not looked down on by a large contingent of white society. They were imported to America against their will 400 years ago and that’s how so many look at them either consciously or subconsciously. Racism in America is alive and well. Trump is just a massive part of the problem. He didn’t create this, but his Presidency has only allowed him to reveal who he is and truly reveal the racism that exists in every corner of America.
Destroying racism wherever it is is like pushing a boulder up a mountain. It’s just hard work every single day. And right now there are more people pushing and it feels like we are getting closer to the top. The danger is, as it has always been is that eventually this energy will dry up. And then what? Do we go back to what it has been until another major incident takes place? Or this time, will we find a way to complete the climb? I don’t have faith in the latter.
I agree with most of what you put but the photo's with Trump has been debunked.
Sorry yes it was the police chief. So you know where those attitudes start.
Post by: The Edge on June 06, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
The death of George Floyd specifically might not have been overtly racially motivated but the systemic racism within the police force in the US is very well documented. Racial profiling is absolutely real and prevalent. George Floyd got treated by police like a black man in America. Where it escalated is that the police officer at the centre of this was a fucking bigoted wanker, a devotee of Trump, who has appeared on stage at one of rallies, and who saw no issue doing what he did in broad daylight. Did he intend to kill him? That’s yet to be determined and likely something that won’t be proven. But did he do everything he could to subject Floyd to the worst possible anguish and pain leading to his death? Absolutely he did.This is a great post. Hopefully some of our less enlightened members will take the time to really read this.
The knee of the neck of a black man in America will forever become the symbol of what it is like to black in America. I’ve lived there for a number of years and you would be incredibly naive to think in any way, shape or form that African Americans, outside of sports and entertainment are not looked down on by a large contingent of white society. They were imported to America against their will 400 years ago and that’s how so many look at them either consciously or subconsciously. Racism in America is alive and well. Trump is just a massive part of the problem. He didn’t create this, but his Presidency has only allowed him to reveal who he is and truly reveal the racism that exists in every corner of America.
Destroying racism wherever it is is like pushing a boulder up a mountain. It’s just hard work every single day. And right now there are more people pushing and it feels like we are getting closer to the top. The danger is, as it has always been is that eventually this energy will dry up. And then what? Do we go back to what it has been until another major incident takes place? Or this time, will we find a way to complete the climb? I don’t have faith in the latter.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2020, 06:45:01 PM
https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1269308091855785986
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1269344093982937088?s=21
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 07, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
I hope Aston Villa and Sheffield United and Arsenal and Man city squads also do this -come June 17.
I also think they should have at least 1 to 2 minutes silent on respect to everyone who lost their lives for Covid-19
We know Mings has been a big advocate in support of both situations so I sure he'll have an input in suggestions to the tribute.
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2020, 07:09:23 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 07:12:32 PM
Also he’s got to stop just hoofing it.
Post by: rougegorge on June 22, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
He can be very good, but he does have costly mistakes in him...but then he's certainly not on his own there.
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2020, 07:59:50 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
I don't think this man is a good competent top division defender. It's all presentation without any substance. Makes regular mistakes and is often caught out of position. Worrying thing is he is our best defender. :'(
I've never thought he was a brilliant defender. Even last season I always feared he had one calamitous rick a game in him. He needs the player next to him to be, frankly, better than him. Not the other way around.
But he has a presence and character we've lacked since Petrov sadly couldn't carry on. He's an all-round immense human being, and I'm undeservingly proud that he wears my club's colours. He's a player that elevates football above being merely a game.
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
£5m he cost and I reckon he'd have served us much better than Engels, and we could've still bought Konza and Hause as cover.
Post by: Ad@m on June 22, 2020, 09:11:41 PM
He definitely needs someone better (or at least more experienced) than him alongside.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 09:15:09 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 22, 2020, 09:16:24 PM
He’s a good player, and we have many more issues to address before him.This. A better manager will help him.
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2020, 10:27:05 PM
He’s a good player, and we have many more issues to address before him.This. A better manager will help him.
I am shocked that Smith and Terry haven't made Tyrone better in the air. I love him, but he is far from dominant in the air. The zonal marking bollocks doesn't help him either.
Post by: David_Nab on June 23, 2020, 12:03:51 AM
He’s a good player, and we have many more issues to address before him.This. A better manager will help him.
I am shocked that Smith and Terry haven't made Tyrone better in the air. I love him, but he is far from dominant in the air. The zonal marking bollocks doesn't help him either.
Hause was the one winning all the high balls yesterday.He was a big help from Corners.
Post by: ROBBO on June 23, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2020, 12:33:03 AM
He’s a good player, and we have many more issues to address before him.This. A better manager will help him.
I am shocked that Smith and Terry haven't made Tyrone better in the air. I love him, but he is far from dominant in the air. The zonal marking bollocks doesn't help him either.
His technique attacking the ball in the air is poor,
mistimes his jumps quite a bit and ends up on the ground far too much. Needs one on one intensive coaching to improve. A man with his physique should be clearing house in the air. Could do with observing Hause, it's the one aspect of his game that is very strong. As Terry had few peers in this aspect of his game, you would hope he would have been able to develop Mings.
Post by: olaftab on June 24, 2020, 10:32:03 PM
Post by: CT on July 09, 2020, 09:16:19 PM
Been coasting through games, offers no leadership and has now turned his back for goals two home games running.
What he’s done is unacceptable tonight.
Post by: LukeJames on July 09, 2020, 09:19:02 PM
No desire to close the ball down, fucking more pissed off with him than Joss Moss right now.
Post by: myf on July 09, 2020, 09:22:34 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2020, 09:26:25 PM
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2020, 09:27:03 PM
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2020, 09:46:57 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 09, 2020, 09:49:09 PM
Another massively overrated, thinks he's better than he is, dick.
Gormless. Fuck off
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2020, 09:52:48 PM
Mings has checked out. I can’t be having players that don’t care in the Villa side.
Same.
Post by: CT on July 09, 2020, 10:03:17 PM
Mings has checked out. I can’t be having players that don’t care in the Villa side.
Same.
Definitely. I’d like to see a completely different team against Palace, he has to, surely?
I’ll be happy to see Mings left out for the last four now, I’ve seen enough of a player coasting through games while taking his massive wages. I saw his eyes after the Southampton game. He’s not remotely bothered.
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2020, 10:05:34 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 09, 2020, 10:07:34 PM
A pretty shit season overall. Not as good a leader as I thought, head goes in big games, too error prone.
The epitome of a coward. Haha. Hope you're well mate! I'm going back to bed. What a rubbish early morning.
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2020, 10:11:14 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2020, 10:38:35 PM
Post by: colin69 on July 09, 2020, 10:42:59 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on July 09, 2020, 10:59:31 PM
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:01:13 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on July 09, 2020, 11:02:27 PM
He will be with us next season. Not good enough for other Prem teams.
Someone like the baggies will give him a way out
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
Mings will be better with a talker and more combative partner. We lack experience next to him and have over-relied on a guy who only played, what, about 12 games at this level previously? He has been found out but I think he has some class but needs better players around him. His lack of closing down needs to be addressed though.
He's probably been responsible for more goals given away this season than anybody else.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2020, 11:09:53 PM
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2020, 11:13:26 PM
Mings will be better with a talker and more combative partner. We lack experience next to him and have over-relied on a guy who only played, what, about 12 games at this level previously? He has been found out but I think he has some class but needs better players around him. His lack of closing down needs to be addressed though.
He's probably been responsible for more goals given away this season than anybody else.
He has certainly been no better to be fair, I totally accept that. But, I think the recruitment went for moneyball signings rather buying some old lag who might stitch things together and help out a guy who is just as inexperienced as other players in this squad. I accept what you are saying but think that Mings can be worked with. Watch him flourish with another club.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 09, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
How the hell he got an England callup is beyond me now, when the likes of Conor Coady up the road at the Dogheads has never had a sniff?!
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2020, 05:22:15 AM
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 05:29:40 AM
Mings needed a Gary Cahill shepherding him through this season. As it stands, his value is through the floor now.
How the hell he got an England callup is beyond me now, when the likes of Conor Coady up the road at the Dogheads has never had a sniff?!
Agree on the Cahill point entirely but that Coady's looked a right carthorse at times this season against pace so I dont reckon he's the answer in any way shape or form at that level either.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 08:11:39 AM
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2020, 08:13:06 AM
Mings needed a Gary Cahill shepherding him through this season. As it stands, his value is through the floor now.Is Coady Irish?
How the hell he got an England callup is beyond me now, when the likes of Conor Coady up the road at the Dogheads has never had a sniff?!
Post by: Luke8 on July 10, 2020, 10:52:55 AM
He’s comfortably a Premier League defender in my opinion and certainly not someone we want to be without next season through choice, whichever division we are in.
Of course he has made mistakes, and put in some poor performances, but he is also playing in an average team who for a lot of the season were far too open and putting so much pressure on our defence. He has also had very limited consistency - in terms of partnering all three other defenders at different points of the season and two different formations.
Throw on top of that he is trying to lead an very inexperienced defence and that’s with the fact that actually, in terms of number of games played, I believe he was our least experience defender at the start of the season.
Has he been great this season? Not at all, but we would be worse off without him and I’m certain that he would look more than comfortable at this level in a better team.
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
Mings needed a Gary Cahill shepherding him through this season. As it stands, his value is through the floor now.Is Coady Irish?
How the hell he got an England callup is beyond me now, when the likes of Conor Coady up the road at the Dogheads has never had a sniff?!
No, English.
Post by: itbrvilla on July 10, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
I get it’s on the back of a poor performance and demoralising defeat but, my word, he really isn’t that bad.He's been poor in spells and has a blunder in him almost every game. It's probably not helped by the fact almost every team we play has significantly more possession and therefore goal attempts against us which increases the likelihood of a fuck up.
He’s comfortably a Premier League defender in my opinion and certainly not someone we want to be without next season through choice, whichever division we are in.
Of course he has made mistakes, and put in some poor performances, but he is also playing in an average team who for a lot of the season were far too open and putting so much pressure on our defence. He has also had very limited consistency - in terms of partnering all three other defenders at different points of the season and two different formations.
Throw on top of that he is trying to lead an very inexperienced defence and that’s with the fact that actually, in terms of number of games played, I believe he was our least experience defender at the start of the season.
Has he been great this season? Not at all, but we would be worse off without him and I’m certain that he would look more than comfortable at this level in a better team.
He started well and has gradually declined.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 10, 2020, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2020, 11:35:35 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 11:38:12 AM
Mings is far from bad, the trouble is he’s nowhere near as good as he (or his agent more to the point) seems to think he is. The England call up has given him a misplaced sense of importance, which we should look to manipulate when negotiating his transfer fee. In short, he’s the Martin Keown of the modern age.
Keown was a brilliant defender.
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2020, 11:44:44 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
I’m not denying that, however he (Keown) had the benefit of playing alongside brilliant players at Arsenal and Everton - my analogy is based more on the fact that he (like Mings) saw himself as too good for the Villa at the time, which is probably true now given our situation and performances this season. I fully expect Mings’ career to flourish when he has better players alongside him, because that sure makes a hell of a difference.
Yep, fair enough. Although Keown was a dog of war in a way that Mings will never be. At least Mings is a handsome devil.
Post by: Chris Smith on July 10, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
Mings has got all the attributes to be one of the best English defenders for a generation. Height, strength, speed and skill. Unfortunately, he can't concentrate for an entire game, thinks he's better than he is, and doesn't appear to have that put your body on the line bravery that really top defenders seem to have.
I agree, concentration is the key with him. When he’s right he looks top class both on and off the ball but when he’s not he costs us.
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2020, 11:56:07 AM
Post by: Ian. on July 10, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
That’s one area he really needs to tighten up though, knowing when to hold onto the ball or not. It’s so much more faster in this league as he’s found out. I really do hope he’s still with us next season though.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
Also true, but if the rumours were true, Keown had attributes (well one) about his person that were more than a match for any man. And with that I’ll say no more.
I think I'll skip lunch after reading that. What an image!
Post by: Luke8 on July 10, 2020, 12:18:26 PM
Mings has got all the attributes to be one of the best English defenders for a generation. Height, strength, speed and skill. Unfortunately, he can't concentrate for an entire game, thinks he's better than he is, and doesn't appear to have that put your body on the line bravery that really top defenders seem to have.
Don’t agree on the bravery thing. I think he has made the most blocks in the league. He does have a tendency to drop very deep though, which means we can conceded a lot of space around the box as with the goal last night. Not sure it that’s down to him or the team instructions.
Spot on regarding concentration though.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 10, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
He's looked worth about 5 million tops since the restart. Looks like the bloke has lost his heart for a battle.
Right now, i'd rather go forwards next season with Hause and Konsa and Engels wherever the fuck his is.
And if anyone is daft enough to offer us around 20m for Mings i'd snap their hands off. I expected way more from him this season. I know it's a huge step up to the PL but i fear all the adoration may have gone to his head a bit. If he can refocus, realise he's not king Dick and get back to basics we may see the old Mings back again of course. But sadly, i think the ship has sailed.
Post by: aev on July 10, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
Alongside an experienced centre half I think he'd be better, he is often trying so hard to organise the chaos around him he becomes part of it.
I know he hasn't been amazing recently but crikey we do like to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 10, 2020, 03:09:14 PM
For some reason he's also started to think he's a majestic long ball passer
Post by: Ian. on July 10, 2020, 04:00:01 PM
For some reason he's also started to think he's a majestic long ball passer
Well maybe he’s realised at times he has dithered on the ball and the opposition know he’ll just play it to a full back so driving it forwards is another option. This has also coincided with Davis in the team, so I would say it’s been an instruction from the boss.
Post by: Gary Penrice on July 10, 2020, 04:17:54 PM
As previously mentioned,if anyone is stupid enough to give us anything near what we paid for him then bite their hand off!
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Or maybe he’s be told to close his eyes, whack it forward and hope something sticks.
For some reason he's also started to think he's a majestic long ball passer
Well maybe he’s realised at times he has dithered on the ball and the opposition know he’ll just play it to a full back so driving it forwards is another option. This has also coincided with Davis in the team, so I would say it’s been an instruction from the boss.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2020, 04:23:50 PM
If anyone comes up with our money back then I’d drive him to his new team personally. At this level he’s a walking liability. Always trying to over play, gets caught out and his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired.
Indeed. He owes Neil Taylor numerous apologies for taking the blame for his poor positional play/walk abouts.
Post by: David_Nab on July 10, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
He does have all the attributes to be a top CB so it's a case of he needs more exp at this level or better coaching.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2020, 07:37:34 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 10, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
Off to Chelsea.Arsenal, I've heard.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
haven't Arsenal got enough defenders that rate themselves as better than what they actually are?Off to Chelsea.Arsenal, I've heard.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2020, 07:41:21 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
I've heard the real interest is from Barcelona and Bromsgrove Sporting. Brace yourselves for a bidding war.
The smart money's on Legal & General.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 10, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
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Off to Weatherfield.
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2020, 09:28:28 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/xz314zY/nintchdbpict0000747040091.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xz314zY)
Off to Weatherfield.
Withington Red looks a bit down.
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2020, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: The_ads on July 10, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
I’m not sure about that. He reminds me of Curtis Davies. Looks like he should be a really top class centre half but that moment of indecision or misjudgement always costs a goal. Remember Curtis looking great when he played with Martin Laursen because Laursens positional sense and nouse meant he hoovered up a lot of the danger. Mings looked like a Roll Royce playing with Tuanzebe against some championship dross - I think he’s been really exposed this year and perhaps living a bit off the fact he wore his play off final kit for 24 hours. That’s not to say he can’t come good but he’s been a real disappointment and let’s not lose sight of the fact he cost us £25m
Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2020, 12:12:56 AM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
There just doesn't seem a culture of responsibility at the club. Terry really should have got hold of Mings a while back and told him a few home truths, but it just doesn't seem that kind of set up really.
Post by: The_ads on July 11, 2020, 12:17:16 AM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
There just doesn't seem a culture of responsibility at the club. Terry really should have got hold of Mings a while back and told him a few home truths, but it just doesn't seem that kind of set up really.
I’ve not seen John Terry give any instructions or guidance whatsoever. He just stands there looking at what Richard O’Kelly and Dean Smith have written down. He looks fucking lost. Has he even given an interview? He nice to hear from one of our coaching staff on what we’re doing to address this shite. I’ve not heard him speak to the media about his role since he was appointed. Get rid
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2020, 12:48:45 AM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
There just doesn't seem a culture of responsibility at the club. Terry really should have got hold of Mings a while back and told him a few home truths, but it just doesn't seem that kind of set up really.
Roy Keane tearing Mings a new one publicly might be the long overdue kick up the arse he needs.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2020, 01:43:50 AM
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
There just doesn't seem a culture of responsibility at the club. Terry really should have got hold of Mings a while back and told him a few home truths, but it just doesn't seem that kind of set up really.
I’ve not seen John Terry give any instructions or guidance whatsoever. He just stands there looking at what Richard O’Kelly and Dean Smith have written down. He looks fucking lost. Has he even given an interview? He nice to hear from one of our coaching staff on what we’re doing to address this shite. I’ve not heard him speak to the media about his role since he was appointed. Get rid
Yeah, let's get rid and then watch him flourish under a better coach and with better players around him. Without the defensive minded midfielders in front of him, he has been exposed badly. I am absolutely not happy with his overall performance this season but I recognise that there are key components within the overall team that we are badly lacking. Leadership, talkers, experience, ballwinners. Putting a football team together is like fitting a jigsaw together and Mings will be a decent player when those issues have been addressed. As I say, watch him flourish at Tottenham, Arsenal or Man Yew. The other thing to remember is that Mings has not really played too often at this level previously and I think far too much is expected of him whilst other players get a free pass. Please note, I am not sticking up for him. He clearly has shortcomings but the list of issues provided are all key factors and have let us down very badly this season.
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2020, 09:45:19 AM
This speaks to many of the issues we've had this season, including Mings' loss of way.The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.
There just doesn't seem a culture of responsibility at the club. Terry really should have got hold of Mings a while back and told him a few home truths, but it just doesn't seem that kind of set up really.
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.So you are basically confirming he is shit.
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
I think Roy Keane's been kicked up the arse enough times to know that he'll never amount to anything beyond punditry.
Keane won't ever amount to anything in the management game but he squeezed every bit out of his talents to be one of the best players of his generation. Something a few of our so called marquee players like Mings could learn from. I'm glad both Souness and Keane have called out Grealish and Mings in successive weeks.
The irony of Mings giving out to other players later in the game after his shameful efforts to stop the second goal. 25m ffs
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2020, 12:55:26 PM
I think Roy Keane's been kicked up the arse enough times to know that he'll never amount to anything beyond punditry.
Keane won't ever amount to anything in the management game but he squeezed every bit out of his talents to be one of the best players of his generation. Something a few of our so called marquee players like Mings could learn from. I'm glad both Souness and Keane have called out Grealish and Mings in successive weeks.
The irony of Mings giving out to other players later in the game after his shameful efforts to stop the second goal. 25m ffs
Regarding being called out, I doubt they'll care though mate. Sadly. Arrogance.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2020, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2020, 10:07:47 AM
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
It always ends up the same way for us, which is why I was pleased at the time that Jack never got in.
The second Tyrone pulled on that shirt, his performances dropped for us. Not just the actual performances, but the leadership and especially his attitude. To the point we are now where he just coasts.
He’ll be off quicker than a nuns first curry once we’ve played West Ham.
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 01:10:22 PM
The right player next to Mings and he will be ok. He would have been great playing next to John Terry or some such strong personality. He plays well enough for England. He has made some poor mistakes and needs better coaching.So you are basically confirming he is shit.
I am giving you a reason as to why I think he has struggled. You said he is shit. He has certainly not been the player we all wanted this season but when it comes to selling him, I wonder if any of us will be questioning the price. If he's shit, that is I am sure it will be lower than it should be.
Post by: Chris Harte on July 12, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2020, 03:25:40 PM
Post by: Ad@m on July 13, 2020, 09:46:12 AM
The next time we have a player, whenever this might be, who is near to an England call up, can we not spend game after game singing for it to happen.
It always ends up the same way for us, which is why I was pleased at the time that Jack never got in.
The second Tyrone pulled on that shirt, his performances dropped for us. Not just the actual performances, but the leadership and especially his attitude. To the point we are now where he just coasts.
He’ll be off quicker than a nuns first curry once we’ve played West Ham.
It's been happening since the 90s that I can remember.
Player does well for Villa, gets called up to England squad, other England players tell him he should move clubs, player starts to think he's better than he is and performances drop, player fucks off at the first opportunity.
Hopefully the current owners are going to stick around long enough to make the Villa the sort of club that nicks other club's England players!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2020, 09:38:05 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2020, 09:43:58 PM
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Fucking tease.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2020, 09:52:18 PM
Post by: russon on July 16, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2020, 11:35:11 PM
Can someone tell me why he goes up for corners? He never ever gets his head on the ball.
A very valid question Russ.
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2020, 06:30:33 AM
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Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2020, 10:23:11 AM
Can someone tell me why he goes up for corners? He never ever gets his head on the ball.
Not great from defensive set pieces either.
Thought he played well yesterday though. Was helped by Everton giving our midfield duo all the time they wanted on the ball.
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2020, 10:50:47 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
He’s off to Everton or Manure depending on who you believe. £30m.
£30 million? Have they actually watched him?
Post by: frank black on July 17, 2020, 01:20:58 PM
He’s off to Everton or Manure depending on who you believe. £30m.
£30 million? Have they actually watched him?
Going rate I’d say, may sound crazy but £30 mil gets you a decent player but not a great player. Isn’t that just a 5 mil profit for us?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2020, 03:44:05 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 05:56:52 PM
Would this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?
I'd sell him - he's ok, but I don't think he's as good as he first appeared.
Post by: passport1 on July 18, 2020, 06:04:47 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 18, 2020, 06:06:55 PM
Would this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?Or was he coached into the England side by John Terry?
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 06:09:27 PM
or was there just a lack of top quality England defenders?Would this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?Or was he coached into the England side by John Terry?
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2020, 06:13:55 PM
We have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.
How much of that is down to coaching and how much is "He's shit get rid of him" after five minutes?
Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
or was there just a lack of top quality England defenders?Would this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?Or was he coached into the England side by John Terry?
How can you say that when England can call on players like John Sto-actually, good point.
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
Post by: devilla on July 18, 2020, 06:35:15 PM
We have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.
How much of that is down to coaching and how much is "He's shit get rid of him" after five minutes?
This is exactly what has been grinding my gears for years. Good coaches will see the potential and spend time with players developing them. As you say there are so many examples that it really calls into question the quality of the coaching set up. There's far too much of the "he's shit get rid" mentality.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2020, 06:41:04 PM
We have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.
How much of that is down to coaching and how much is "He's shit get rid of him" after five minutes?
This is exactly what has been grinding my gears for years. Good coaches will see the potential and spend time with players developing them. As you say there are so many examples that it really calls into question the quality of the coaching set up. There's far too much of the "he's shit get rid" mentality.
Which doesn't necessarily come from the coaches.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 07:36:56 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 18, 2020, 08:16:57 PM
If he stays next season, he'll be an asset in the Championship. Like he was last season.
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 18, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
He only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching.
Finally, some perspective. The abuse Tyrone is getting is way over the top. He's made mistakes but I'd much rather be with him than without him, and we were a lot worse defensively when he was out. When did everyone become so eager to turn against our own players?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 18, 2020, 08:37:04 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2020, 09:42:49 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2020, 11:24:07 PM
He only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching.
Finally, some perspective. The abuse Tyrone is getting is way over the top. He's made mistakes but I'd much rather be with him than without him, and we were a lot worse defensively when he was out. When did everyone become so eager to turn against our own players?
Yes I think the Tyrone stuff has been stupid. Overall in his 18 months at the club he’s been a cracking player. I’d be delighted if he remained here.
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2020, 08:40:51 AM
He only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching.
Finally, some perspective. The abuse Tyrone is getting is way over the top. He's made mistakes but I'd much rather be with him than without him, and we were a lot worse defensively when he was out. When did everyone become so eager to turn against our own players?
Yes I think the Tyrone stuff has been stupid. Overall in his 18 months at the club he’s been a cracking player. I’d be delighted if he remained here.
Agreed.
He's a good, solid player. Like the rest of the squad, he's been tested against the best in the world and isn't that experienced himself at this level.
Post by: Ian. on July 19, 2020, 10:18:31 AM
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Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2020, 10:28:43 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
It would be great for him to stay, but I expect he will want to maintain his England squad place.
Yes I’d imagine so.
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
He's probably found it tough at times this season but who hasn't? He'd be perfect to help try and bring us back up if we go down but I'd be tempted to cash in if we got a good offer.
I agree with this but I also think that we need to stop this zonal marking crap at corners as it isolated Mings in the middle of the 6-yard box.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2020, 12:45:34 PM
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Post by: themossman on July 22, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
Thought Tyrone was excellent last night. He marshalled really well.
Yes he was. He didn't seem to move from his spot, he didn't seem to need to. He really was excellent.
Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Helped by all the other defenders - Konsa was excellent, and Targett defied a lot of the criticism on here. Guilbert got himself into the game and was playing well by the end.Thought Tyrone was excellent last night. He marshalled really well.
Yes he was. He didn't seem to move from his spot, he didn't seem to need to. He really was excellent.
finally, they are looking like a competent back four.
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 01:40:46 PM
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
1 little issue aside (where he over ran the ball and waved a heel at it in our box) I thought he played very well, I'm not sure what people expect from him it that wasn't good enough.
Konsa saved a certain goal on that occasion, unforced error from Mings. Mings also lost their young forward for that header that hit the post. On other days that's two goals conceded with no-one but Mings at fault for both. The Danny on commentary (Higginbottom I presume?) was slating him for both. Not good enough and we were very lucky to get away with both yesterday.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2020, 02:19:08 PM
If Jack goes he's the obvious choice for captain next season.
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 02:45:33 PM
1 little issue aside (where he over ran the ball and waved a heel at it in our box) I thought he played very well, I'm not sure what people expect from him it that wasn't good enough.
Konsa saved a certain goal on that occasion, unforced error from Mings. Mings also lost their young forward for that header that hit the post. On other days that's two goals conceded with no-one but Mings at fault for both. The Danny on commentary (Higginbottom I presume?) was slating him for both. Not good enough and we were very lucky to get away with both yesterday.
I don't think it's fair to blame him too much for the nketiah one, nketiah feinted to one way and then cut back and got in front of him. If that was our player I'd be saying he created a chance with his movement more than considering it bad defending. In much the same way I don't think the same commentator was fair to blame their defender for not closing trez faster for our goal.
Post by: richtheholtender on July 26, 2020, 08:13:49 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2020, 08:23:12 PM
Villa stay up... Bournemouth go down.... what do you think the “overpriced” Tyrone Mings is thinking tonight?
I reckon Eddie Howe is going to offer his resignation too. They have a few really decent players who I would fancy a look at. Tyrone could help to do the, er, legal recruitment (tapping up).
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
Post by: dave17 on July 26, 2020, 08:52:17 PM
Villa stay up... Bournemouth go down.... what do you think the “overpriced” Tyrone Mings is thinking tonight?are beaches still closed down south?
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2020, 09:05:54 PM
Villa stay up... Bournemouth go down.... what do you think the “overpriced” Tyrone Mings is thinking tonight?are beaches still closed down south?
He’ll be on the beach in Bournemouth Tomorrow with full kit on and a hangover from hell
Post by: themossman on July 31, 2020, 08:59:51 AM
http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jul/27/tyrone-mings-heads-up-270720 (http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jul/27/tyrone-mings-heads-up-270720)
Post by: dave17 on August 02, 2020, 04:08:27 AM
any other betting tips?Villa stay up... Bournemouth go down.... what do you think the “overpriced” Tyrone Mings is thinking tonight?
I reckon Eddie Howe is going to offer his resignation too. They have a few really decent players who I would fancy a look at. Tyrone could help to do the, er, legal recruitment (tapping up).
Post by: dave17 on August 02, 2020, 04:17:15 AM
Illuminating to hear him talk about how the call up affected his game, but not in the way most assumed. The Johnny big bollocks explanation is tempting and I indulged in it myself but it was obviously wrong. Good on you Tyrone.Mings is 27 with 4 (?) full season behind him. Tough for him to carry a prem defense with that experience. Throw in what happened with England, hard not to say he’s a class act and a great bloke who deserves as much support as possible
http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jul/27/tyrone-mings-heads-up-270720 (http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jul/27/tyrone-mings-heads-up-270720)
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2020, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
To say I was open-mouthed when I saw that would be an understatement.
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Post by: Dave on September 09, 2020, 09:55:33 AM
Dier is crap in his regular position, so quite why he's playing in defence I do not know. It's probably that brain-donor Southgate thinking "I was a bog standard midfielder shunted into defence where I got good, so it'll definitely work with Dier!" Pillock.
To be fair, Dier spent his time in Portugal at right-back or centre-back. It was only when he moved to England that he was moved into midfield.
Not that he should be playing any of those positions for England.
Post by: brontebilly on September 09, 2020, 10:35:09 AM
How can Southgate play a back three, playing a right-footed DMF as the left CB of the three, when he has Mings on the bench?
To say I was open-mouthed when I saw that would be an understatement.
Only compounding the selection error of having a right footed left wing back in Trippier next to him...surely that Arsenal kid could have been given a go there? At least Carragher was calling this out on commentary but not as strongly as he should have been
Southgate's post match interview was another waffle fest, asked a question about Grealish and responds with how happy he was with Mason Mount in a new role
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Aston Villa have plenty to be proud about. Well-motivated by their head coach Dean Smith, they fought hard to stay up. Villa’s captain, Jack Grealish, has made his long-craved England debut. They have bought shrewdly in Championship talent such as Ollie Watkins and Matty Cash. And in Tyrone Mings, Villa have a centre back in the form of his life, pivotal to their defensive defiance with his blocking and leading that helped ensure their Premier League status, as well as being a widely praised, socially aware role model.
Mings works with Prince William, campaigning on mental health issues. He runs the Tyrone Mings Academy in Birmingham, providing A-licenced coaching for children. He’s helping the FA devise a diversity code. He’s involved with fellow England internationals Marcus Rashford and Raheem Sterling in using their profile and social media to lobby for social change. “We’re a fearless generation,” Mings says.
He’s more than a football player. “I’d describe myself as a deep-thinker, quite caring, quite aware, very loving but I’m very driven and I’m very cold at times. I’m not necessarily here to make friends. I’m here to win. I’m here to be the best I can be. I understand my role in society, which is trying to help, so that’s where the empathy comes from.
“My parents were a huge influence on me when I was growing up. I took different characteristics from the two of them.
“My dad is a lot more cold and calculated. My mother is unconditional love and showering emotions on you.”
Now 27, Mings’s back story reveals a man with an understanding of the harshness of life outside the football bubble, living for almost a year in a homeless shelter with his mother and three sisters, football scholarship to Millfield School, rejected by Bristol Rovers, Swindon Town, Portsmouth, released from Southampton’s academy. He worked as a mortgage advisor, playing non-League with Yate Town and Chippenham Town before Ipswich Town gave him a trial. He moved on to Bournemouth and now Villa.
He has life in perspective. “The fact that I can identify myself with someone who works in an office, a bar, a restaurant, everyday jobs, means I don’t see myself as Tyrone Mings, the Aston Villa and England player,” he says. “I’ve seen life on the other side. I know what people will be feeling, the stresses other people are under. I have had them myself.”
He’s been on the edge. A knee injury suffered at Bournemouth tipped him towards inner turmoil. “Any time that destiny isn’t in my control is really mentally unstabling. At the start of my knee injury I drank a lot, which was obviously detrimental to me getting my knee fit. I was low enough that I didn’t want to go to training. I didn’t want to speak about my problems, I didn’t want to do any rehab.”
It is why he campaigns on mental health. “There are tell-tale signs if it creeps up on you. It usually derives from stress but everybody’s different. Whenever I’m not in control it’s a really unstable place to be. I speak to Héctor Bellerín [of Arsenal] quite a lot about it.
“It’s really annoying people label you as a footballer and you should only be that [immune to mental-health issues] because it’s such an unstable industry whether it’s coming to an end of contract or even week to week: you have a good game and you’re a hero and then go to have a bad game and being the worst player the club has ever signed.
“It’s such an unstable place to be that things you can do outside of work to maintain a level of happiness or sanity really adds to you as a person and as a player. I like reading. I’m really into self-help or business books, trying to learn more about myself. I go for a few bike rides along the canals.”
Those inner-city waterways weave close by Villa Park, where Mings has become such an important defender for Smith’s side. He doesn’t tackle too frequently, preferring to usher opponents away from goal or as the last line of defence, he’s throwing in blocks. “I’m not in the middle of the pitch nailing someone. I don’t think Virgil van Dijk made many tackles. I’m in esteemed company!” He’s not comparing himself to the Liverpool move-reader, just talking about different styles of defending. “Growing up, Rio Ferdinand was a good one for me, a well rounded centre back that I would have modelled my game on, even being left back, just the way he anticipated what’s going to happen rather than diving into tackles.
“I’m quite leggy and athletic and Rio stepped out with the ball quite a lot. I like the leadership of Thiago Silva and Sergio Ramos.”
He looks and learns from Smith’s assistant, John Terry. “He’s a huge help. A lot of weaknesses in my game were perhaps strengths of John Terry. He was very aggressive in his defending but the best thing I can take from him is probably his mindset to train to the top level every day.”
He studies opponents. “I quite like playing against direct strikers, a willing runner like Jamie Vardy, the best example of someone who loves playing on the shoulder and loves getting into foot races. That’s one of my biggest strengths. That coupled with my anticipation means I back myself in foot races.
“Players that play the game between the ears I find a lot more difficult. Roberto Firmino drifts off you, into midfield. Sergio Agüero spends the majority of the time offside and you don’t really know where he is until [Kevin] De Bruyne cocks his leg back to play the pass and he’s all of a sudden onside. Agüero has given me more of a problem than anyone else in my career.
“Manchester United are a bit like the Liverpool front three. They interchange like the Red Arrows.”
Such has been the quality of Mings’s performances that he has become hugely admired by the Villa faithful. He will run out for today’s friendly against United at Villa Park, again missing the fans. “The Holte End is just such a special place,” he says. “It’s a real shame they are not here. That’s a huge part of the game and sometimes all it needs is a bit of a lift from the crowd. We miss them dearly.”
Mings has been impressed with Watkins, Villa’s new £28 million striker, in training. “He’s really sharp. He’s getting used to us, we’re getting used to him. Matty Cash will be great for us too. In an ideal world we’d have got more players in sooner because it’s never easy asking people to hit the ground running in the Premier League, let alone when you sign them ten days before the season starts. We have to be understanding. Everybody’s still holding out for pre-Covid prices and the buying club is of course asking for post-Covid prices.”
He studies football business, keeping one eye on his post-playing days. “I’ve got no interest in coaching or managing,” he says. “If I stayed in football it would be in an executive position.” Mings would like to address the imbalance of diversity in the corridors of power, particularly at the FA. “Are there opportunities for black and ethnic minorities to move into those positions? At the moment no. The FA’s one governing body. Look right through every elite sport in this country and I don’t think the diversity is there. There is a long way to go.
“We’ve done great work in the coaching sector, pathways especially within the FA at every junior level, they have someone of ethnic minority on the coaching staff. To get that representation in the boardroom eventually would be great.”
Mings is unimpressed with the Premier League’s decision to swap the sleeve badge stating “Black Lives Matter” for the anodyne “No room for racism”.
The Premier League became twitchy about the BLM association with the political movement. “Every player that I’ve spoken to in relation to Black Lives Matter has said the political element is completely irrelevant. We are talking about the lack of opportunities, racial stereotyping and unconscious bias towards ethnic minorities.
“I think it’s tokenism they’ve put ‘no room for racism’. We’re talking about an isolated group of people hugely represented in the Premier League and that’s black players.
“‘No room for racism’ on a shirt seems a little bit like the Premier League is taking a back step.”
He experiences racism. “There’s unconscious racism, things like going into a designer shop if you’re black or you’ve got a hood up, there are stereotypes that unfortunately follow you about. Security are more on edge. People follow you around the shop. If you drive a nice car, you’re stopped by the police more. That happened to me when I went back to Chippenham. I was driving a Range Rover and the police were like, ‘This car isn’t from around here, why are you here?’. And there are far more scenarios that happen in places like London. With the more generations that go on, and hopefully the quicker [Donald] Trump gets out of power, the more it should be driven out.”
He is proud of Villa’s strong stance on racism. “We were the first people to take the knee before the first Premier League game back [of Project Restart]. Between myself and Dave McGoldrick at Sheffield United we thought that would be a powerful statement.”
Mings knows there wouldn’t be universal approval if players took a knee in front of a full stadium. “No. And there wouldn’t be universal approval on ‘no room for racism’ on the shirts because a lot of fans come to football to get away from political messages, from the everyday news. I only have to log into Twitter and go into my mentions to find that is the case.”
Some fans would boo him taking a knee. “Yes, of course,” he says. “I wouldn’t really care because any Aston Villa fan that wants to turn up and support me but not support an antiracism message is no fan of mine.
“We’re a generation where players have a platform on social media so we can be more powerful. I’m not a captain here but we’re all in a WhatsApp group speaking about the anti-racism messages, speaking about what we can do for Black Lives Matter. There’s a new-found unity across different clubs which hasn’t always been there. People aren’t afraid to talk out.”
So why didn’t he, and the other England players, walk off in Sofia last October when subjected to monkey chants by a group of Bulgaria fans? “Good question. We wanted to follow the protocol. We wanted the relevant authorities [Uefa] to have the power to make the right decisions and give out the relevant sanctions once we followed the right protocol. If we’d walked off then, if they had to follow their protocol they might have fined us. It would have taken the attention away from what really was the issue. If it happened again, I would follow the protocol. It was a collective decision.”
He has just been with Gareth Southgate’s squad in Iceland and Denmark for the Nations League qualifiers. “Four points from two games isn’t the end of the world,” he says. “It was not ideal to go there and not play but it was good to mix with the boys, training, and a good few conversations with the manager.
“I speak to Gareth Southgate about the personality test you can do to understand your role within a team. What makes a good leader? Some people need shouting at in front of the team. Some people need an arm around the shoulder. Some people need speaking to in private. Some people need being left to their own devices. I’m a helper.
“My ego isn’t big enough to think that I know everything or that I’ve cracked it or now I’ve played for England and Aston Villa that I’m at the peak. It’s always humbling to know I’m not the finished article as a person or as a player.”
Post by: Drummond on September 12, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
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Post by: saunders_heroes on September 12, 2020, 02:07:17 PM
Just hope that he steps up a gear this season.
Me too. He wasn’t at his best last season.
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Post by: algy on September 12, 2020, 03:16:26 PM
Big love for the man. He's just ace in every single respect.
Post by: KevinGage on September 12, 2020, 03:50:45 PM
He set an example as a player when he arrived in 2017 and probably no coincidence we became more professional and competitive as a result. Grealish in particular seemed to benefit.
In stark contrast to the massive clown possie who formed our leadership group prior to that.
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Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
I've heard that a few times in relation to John Terry and training.
He set an example as a player when he arrived in 2017 and probably no coincidence we became more professional and competitive as a result. Grealish in particular seemed to benefit.
In stark contrast to the massive clown possie who formed our leadership group prior to that.
Absolutely agree.
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 12, 2020, 06:50:03 PM
Absolutely spot on message. Shame the Times article is behind a paywall.
Post by: purpletrousers on September 12, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
It certainly is a contrast to one or two others that don’t need to be mentioned to have such a dignified figure at the heart of the club. Of course we want to win everything, but I’d always ideally want to succeed in the right way. I like the sense that Tyrone can be hard but fair, as others say hopefully after last season’s experience he can step up to have less mistakes, you do have a sense that if anyone can learn it’s him.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 13, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
'Some fans would boo him taking a knee. “Yes, of course,” he says. “I wouldn’t really care because any Aston Villa fan that wants to turn up and support me but not support an antiracism message is no fan of mine''
Absolutely spot on message. Shame the Times article is behind a paywall.
Yep that is spot on.
Post by: Diablo on September 13, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
'Some fans would boo him taking a knee. “Yes, of course,” he says. “I wouldn’t really care because any Aston Villa fan that wants to turn up and support me but not support an antiracism message is no fan of mine''
Absolutely spot on message. Shame the Times article is behind a paywall.
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Post by: Diablo on September 14, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
For an England player to speak out so strongly about the FA’s nervousness about the BLM movement and obvious compromise on the shirt sleeve logo takes a lot of confidence and strength of conviction. I applaud you Tyrone.Yeah especially when you consider 10,000 people complained to Ofcom about a dance
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 16, 2020, 08:21:04 AM
Jack Grealish has offered to replace any shirt a Man united fans has bought with his name on with a Djemba Djemba one.
Post by: sid1964 on September 16, 2020, 08:23:15 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on September 16, 2020, 08:31:52 AM
Mings has offered to replace any shirt with his old squad number on with his new one as has Konsa. Fair play to them both.Applause 😊 - very funny !
Jack Grealish has offered to replace any shirt a Man united fans has bought with his name on with a Djemba Djemba one.
Although shouldn’t Grealish be offering 2 shirts , one for each of the twins ?
Post by: in exile on September 16, 2020, 11:40:39 AM
thought Mings was poor last night - he will need to improve greatly if he wants to be in contention to play for EnglandWhy was he poor?
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 16, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
thought Mings was poor last night - he will need to improve greatly if he wants to be in contention to play for EnglandWhy was he poor?
A few instances of the previously worrying habit of being too casual in possession. He got caught out a couple of times. It had the feel of a pre-season friendly about it as several players - Mings included - lacked intensity and concentration.
An obvious example being the clearly offside 'goal' that Burton scored. Their 9 was stood a yard in front of Nyland and was missed by the officials and by our keeper not highlighting the problem.
Post by: in exile on September 16, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
Oh, I see. I've not had the chance to watch the game yet.thought Mings was poor last night - he will need to improve greatly if he wants to be in contention to play for EnglandWhy was he poor?
A few instances of the previously worrying habit of being too casual in possession. He got caught out a couple of times. It had the feel of a pre-season friendly about it as several players - Mings included - lacked intensity and concentration.
An obvious example being the clearly offside 'goal' that Burton scored. Their 9 was stood a yard in front of Nyland and was missed by the officials and by our keeper not highlighting the problem.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 16, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
Was his form last season good enough for what has traditionally been (and should be) England international standard? No, I'd absolutely agree not.
Was it good enough to be considered for selection amongst, in international terms, a very average and in a lot of cases poorly performing selection of centre backs such as Keane, Dunk, Coady, crap centre midfielder Eric Dier playing out of position, Tarkowski, Stones and Maguire? I still think it was and is.
I've left Joe Gomez out as I think he will be head and shoulders above any of those mentioned in a year or two and would be an automatic pick for me.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 17, 2020, 12:36:38 PM
It would have been a helluva evening, I suspect, if Lloris had been our keeper :)
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
Post by: fbriai on September 21, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 03:03:34 PM
It's great to see us locking up our best players. Doug next please
Not much point until Man City's buy back option lapses.
Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 03:05:27 PM
It's great to see us locking up our best players. Doug next please
Not much point until Man City's buy back option lapses.
Maybe we could buy it out? Or in the very least, create some kind of a 'bidding war'?
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
It's great to see us locking up our best players. Doug next please
Not much point until Man City's buy back option lapses.
There was a comment by Percy a few weeks ago that we were looking at contracts fpr Mingd, SJM and Doug. So assume those conversations are happening behind the scenes
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 03:38:15 PM
Plus he's a leader that's good to have. I expect to see even more chest-thumping from him now...
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 21, 2020, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa link=topic=59380.msg3831389#msg3
[quote author=Risso link=topic=59380.msg3831392#msg3831392 date=1600697014831389 date=1600696745]It's great to see us locking up our best players. Doug next please
Not much point until Man City's buy back option lapses.
Any idea when it lapses?
It's great to see us locking up our best players. Doug next please
Not much point until Man City's buy back option lapses.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 21, 2020, 04:22:25 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 04:44:07 PM
Just needs to focus on doing the simple things well. Get the ball and roll it into midfield or in front of Watkins/Davis, that's it. Working on his heading technique, given his size he should be dominating at set piece time.
Post by: darren woolley on September 21, 2020, 04:50:27 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on September 21, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
Still has it all to prove in the top division for me, starting with this evening.
Just needs to focus on doing the simple things well. Get the ball and roll it into midfield or in front of Watkins/Davis, that's it. Working on his heading technique, given his size he should be dominating at set piece time.
In both boxes!!! He really should be scoring more
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 12:59:06 PM
Solid start by Mings this season.
He was also selected in BBC Garth Crooks team of the week as well as whoscored team of the week.
Deserved.
Post by: Mellin on October 14, 2020, 10:22:04 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 14, 2020, 10:59:29 PM
If anyone comes up with our money back then I’d drive him to his new team personally. At this level he’s a walking liability. Always trying to over play, gets caught out and his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired.
Clearly I’ve not read this thread for a while, is this still the current view?
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2020, 11:00:52 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 14, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
What was the point of dragging that post up?
Because I was surprised when I read it tonight. There was lots of criticism of Tyrone at that time. Jesus, it was only three months ago.
I guess it illustrates the “its a funny ol’ game” quote more than anything.
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
Post by: Mister E on October 15, 2020, 01:44:07 PM
Did fine last night I thought.On a night when commentators were bemoaning the lack of left-footers in England's defence, it's amazing that Mings was not a starter. Had he been, maybe McGuire wouldn't have done and therefore wouldn't have been sent off.
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 16, 2020, 01:02:40 AM
I think it's fair to say that by now he's been nailed as a tw*t for not picking the most talented English player, but his near total incompetence is summed up by picking players out of position (when there's no need), picking players who are out of form and not picking players who are bang in form.
I used to wonder, while waiting for Bruce to get the boot two years ago whether Southgate might ever manage Villa. Recent events have drawn me to this conclusion -I f*cking well hope not!!!
Post by: OCD on October 16, 2020, 11:38:10 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 16, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
All England managers seem to end up doing the same thing...picking the same players regardless of form and fitness. It always ends up the same.
Whoever gets it treats it like a middling club job, in that you get rid of the players you don't fancy from the last regime, get in your own squad of players and play them regardless of whether or not when push comes to shove they can display the requisite levels of skill and attitude, make one player double-undroppable by awarding them the captaincy, and no matter what plainly doesn't work you don't ever give mind to the possibility that the problem with it might actually be you. It's a blueprint traceable all the way back to the one time it worked when Ramsey decided he didn't need English football's greatest ever goalscorer.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 16, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
All England managers seem to end up doing the same thing...picking the same players regardless of form and fitness. It always ends up the same.
International managers do it all the time, not just here.
Look at the last 3 world cup winners - all were knocked out in the Group Stages
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2020, 11:47:22 PM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 11:48:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2020, 11:56:13 PM
That last goal was an absolute embarrassment for him. He should be made to watch that on a half hour loop on Monday.
Pathetic he was for that. Also in first half, barely able to clear the ball with his right foot again. Konsa already seems far better than him.
Post by: Jaffa on October 23, 2020, 11:58:09 PM
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2020, 12:04:16 AM
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 24, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
That last goal was an absolute embarrassment for him. He should be made to watch that on a half hour loop on Monday.
Pathetic he was for that.
I’m sorry but I can’t read that without Yoda popping up in my head.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 21, 2020, 06:00:05 PM
He's a decent defender who's helped us rise over last two years so we should remain thankful for that and he'll continue to have good games for us but put him under sustained pressure and he'll lose a runner or give away the ball so more Vlaar standard than some of the best CBs we've had since mid 90s.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 21, 2020, 06:07:35 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 21, 2020, 06:46:45 PM
Really really poor today. I don’t know whether when he’s lacking confidence it manifests itself by looking really sloppy and careless, but whatever the reason he has to have the awareness to realise when he’s not on his game and limit the excessive risk taking accordingly.
Of any of the things might be said about Mings, a lack of confidence is not one that comes readily into my mind.
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:13:58 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2020, 07:14:50 PM
lack of concentration does thoughReally really poor today. I don’t know whether when he’s lacking confidence it manifests itself by looking really sloppy and careless, but whatever the reason he has to have the awareness to realise when he’s not on his game and limit the excessive risk taking accordingly.
Of any of the things might be said about Mings, a lack of confidence is not one that comes readily into my mind.
Post by: Ian. on November 21, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:40:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 21, 2020, 07:47:43 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on November 21, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
Post by: john e on November 21, 2020, 08:00:56 PM
But he’s injured so it’s a mute point
but here’s the problem as I see it concerning centre half’s
the world has changed there’s no longer a list of top class centre half’s around the league or even in Europe
Adams, Terry, McGrath, Laursen, Ferdinand, Bruce Pallister, Vidic, Gallas, Toure, Keown, Ledley King, Carragher, Desailly, Campbell,
I know I’m going back over the years there but I’m only scratching the surface there’s loads more but there’s nobody apart from Van Dijk that’s anywhere near there standard nowadays
even in Europe where is the Beresi’s Maldini’s and the Carvalho’s even Ramos is an old man now
to prove my point if you had 200million to spend and wages no problem what central defensive partnership would you go out and buy
if you can’t have Van Dijk your struggling
so Mings and Konsa mistakes and all are as good as we can hope for in the present climate
(But I still think Engels is the best of the lot )
Post by: Jaffa on November 21, 2020, 08:06:51 PM
JT needs to quickly bring him down to Earth with a boot up the derrière sharpish, he was poor today, to casual & on to many occasions out of position...
Next game is over a week away, let’s hope DS works on the mistakes from today’s game & puts them right against WHU.
Post by: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 08:08:54 PM
Post by: john e on November 21, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
Post by: charleeco7 on November 21, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Konsa, has no one pushing for his place either but he’s still young and will want to get international caps so has that drive. Just a thought.
Post by: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
The other three weren't marking the guy who scored.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2020, 08:39:44 PM
He follows Wellbeck to the touch line for a throw in in their half, ball thrown over Wellbecks head and As play develops Wellbeck runs forward and Mings stays where he is taking himself completely out of the game, Brighton did not need to do anything clever to set up the chance. Our centre half went walk about, forgot about his man and they scored. It’s not the first time either.His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
Pathetic from a professional footballer, Sunday league stuff.
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 22, 2020, 12:26:38 AM
He follows Wellbeck to the touch line for a throw in in their half, ball thrown over Wellbecks head and As play develops Wellbeck runs forward and Mings stays where he is taking himself completely out of the game, Brighton did not need to do anything clever to set up the chance. Our centre half went walk about, forgot about his man and they scored. It’s not the first time either.His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
Pathetic from a professional footballer, Sunday league stuff.
Totally agree, shoddy, lack of concentration and awareness
Post by: brontebilly on November 22, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
He follows Wellbeck to the touch line for a throw in in their half, ball thrown over Wellbecks head and As play develops Wellbeck runs forward and Mings stays where he is taking himself completely out of the game, Brighton did not need to do anything clever to set up the chance. Our centre half went walk about, forgot about his man and they scored. It’s not the first time either.His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
Pathetic from a professional footballer, Sunday league stuff.
Agreed on Mings but also thought Konsa should have dropped off. Our defensive line was five yards inside their half for defending their goal. Luiz was dreadful too for both goals.
Post by: Luke8 on November 22, 2020, 09:18:27 AM
Post by: mcgrath_85 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:27 AM
He’s a liability.
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Pretty much the same for the second BHA goal: Cash and Luiz both switched off.
Post by: Ian. on November 22, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2020, 10:32:26 AM
It was not just Mings, the whole back line was so far forward, it was ridiculous.There is allways a player that calls the line ( usually centre half), this is Mings.
You can argue other players should cover but the first mistake is Mings wandering over there.
Post by: john e on November 22, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
The other three weren't marking the guy who scored.
your spot on there, that’s why he waltzed through unhindered
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
I'd also like Engles to be bjorn again and get another chance. How does he keep picking up injuries when he never plays ?
Post by: Ad@m on November 22, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
The other three weren't marking the guy who scored.
your spot on there, that’s why he waltzed through unhindered
If the other three have to constantly cover Mings arse he shouldn't be in the team.
Everyone has a job. Mings didn't do his and Brighton scored. It's that simple.
Post by: brontebilly on November 22, 2020, 01:25:07 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
The other three weren't marking the guy who scored.
your spot on there, that’s why he waltzed through unhindered
If the other three have to constantly cover Mings arse he shouldn't be in the team.
Everyone has a job. Mings didn't do his and Brighton scored. It's that simple.
Playing centre half is all about partnerships though. Mings for sure went walkabout but Konsa should be spotting that and dropping off too but he was miles out of position too. I'd give the two full backs a pass, all on the two centre backs and Luiz for that one. Abysmal goal to concede, Danny Wellbeck breaking five yards inside his own half to run unchallenged to score.
I said at start of season Mings has it all to prove in the top division, he still does. Destroyed by Bamford and Wellbeck in successive home games is embarrassing. He's only involved with England due to the paucity of quality centre halves available and the fact he is left footed.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2020, 01:47:40 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2020, 02:05:45 PM
Well im not sure if its about Mings ability or not. There's centre-halfs that are complete arse that wouldn't make the mistakes he did. Just do the utter basics of the job and stop poncing around covers it.I think he has all the Physical attributes to be a very good centre half at this level.
Sadly his concentration and mentality is a problem.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 22, 2020, 02:20:15 PM
Post by: john e on November 22, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.
There’s a back 4 though they were all in front of him not just Mings
The other three weren't marking the guy who scored.
your spot on there, that’s why he waltzed through unhindered
If the other three have to constantly cover Mings arse he shouldn't be in the team.
Everyone has a job. Mings didn't do his and Brighton scored. It's that simple.
I'm not defending Mings he was poor yesterday and was the most at fault for the goal
But he wasn't solely culpable
as for centre backs VD aside they all make more mistakes than they used to even those at the top teams
they are all a much of a muchness and that includes Mings
Look at England the reason Southgate plays 3 is because there's not a proper decent Centre half among the lot of them
Post by: olaftab on November 22, 2020, 02:44:31 PM
His positional awareness for their first goal was embarrassing. Proper schoolboy stuff.He has previous on that. Remember Newcastle's goal post lockdown last season totally out of placing marking a throw in?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2020, 02:52:35 PM
Well im not sure if its about Mings ability or not. There's centre-halfs that are complete arse that wouldn't make the mistakes he did. Just do the utter basics of the job and stop poncing around covers it.I think he has all the Physical attributes to be a very good centre half at this level.
Sadly his concentration and mentality is a problem.
maybe, but would you get to this level if you had a tendency to allow the player you're marking to get into a different time-zone? My view is he goes away on england duty, mingles with the "stars" and then comes back thinking he's made it forgetting brighton are likely to provide a stiffer challenge than iceland and the republic of ireland
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 22, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
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Post by: RamboandBruno on November 22, 2020, 09:28:02 PM
My lad plays in defence for an under 11s side and even at that age, him and his fellow CB, know that one needs to drop back if the other one advances over half way.
I can’t believe it’s coached to all go that far forward, collective head wobble I think
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2020, 10:31:14 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 23, 2020, 06:20:23 AM
Post by: Ad@m on November 23, 2020, 09:05:31 AM
Wasn't there a comment made that the throw-in was taken about 18 yards further forward than it should have been (by the corner)? Maybe that was the reason for such a high line.
I'd prefer it if our centre halves concentrated more on where the opposition strikers are than where the throw in might be taken from.
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2020, 09:06:54 AM
Wasn't there a comment made that the throw-in was taken about 18 yards further forward than it should have been (by the corner)? Maybe that was the reason for such a high line.
I'd prefer it if our centre halves concentrated more on where the opposition strikers are than where the throw in might be taken from.
Yep, not much of an excuse really. It was just rank bad defending from all involved, but especially Mings.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2020, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: OCD on November 23, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 23, 2020, 11:51:35 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 23, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
It is amazing how it works at the Villa. We either cannot score for toffee but defend reasonably well. We cannot score for toffee and cannot defend for toffee. Or we become the division's free scorers and cannot defend for toffee. This has been a trait for years and years.
Has it? Under Lambert, Fookin'eck and Garde we usually couldn't score for shit and weren't great shakes defensively either.
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
It is amazing how it works at the Villa. We either cannot score for toffee but defend reasonably well. We cannot score for toffee and cannot defend for toffee. Or we become the division's free scorers and cannot defend for toffee. This has been a trait for years and years.
Has it? Under Lambert, Fookin'eck and Garde we usually couldn't score for shit and weren't great shakes defensively either.
Surely that's covered by the 2nd option.
Post by: eamonn on November 23, 2020, 06:09:34 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2020, 08:30:29 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 23, 2020, 08:35:34 PM
Wasn't there a comment made that the throw-in was taken about 18 yards further forward than it should have been (by the corner)? Maybe that was the reason for such a high line.
I don't know if it's ever acceptable to have a defensive line 5-10 yards inside the opposition's half. Certainly not early on during a premier league game anyway. That kind of defending you would be pissed off seeing at pub league level. The fast forward running onto a throw in and skating clear to tap it past the keeper. Utterly ridiculous.
The odd game aside both Luiz and Mings particularly have struggled this season. I think that's a large part of our continued struggles at the back as we are much improved at RCB and GK. Whereas Luiz has been exposed a lot tactically (but is still being caught ball watching far too much for liking like the second goal), Mings problems are down to individual errors and rank decision making most of the time.
Post by: Clampy on November 23, 2020, 08:42:44 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 23, 2020, 08:47:50 PM
if it means we finish somewhere between 8th-12th - then it's not the end of the world
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2020, 08:49:25 PM
Post by: pooligan on November 23, 2020, 09:34:05 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 23, 2020, 10:33:18 PM
Yeah i thought Cash was at fault for the March goal ,was a fine shot but was given far to much time
Yeah, Cash got dragged in too close to the goal but watch Luiz again. At one point he is just standing in the D. If he is sharp and on his feet he cuts out that ball. Instead he just stops in no man's land with Marsh unmarked behind him. Just didn't see where the danger was quickly enough.
Post by: ktvillan on November 24, 2020, 12:44:10 AM
Post by: KevinGage on November 24, 2020, 05:31:43 AM
He's certainly not the Caesar level he was in the Championship. But as others have pointed out, he didn't play a whole lot of games as a centre back for Bournemouth before we signed him.
So essentially -despite the England recognition - he's still learning on the job.
I would have liked to see a Jonny Evans or similar come in in the summer. I'd still like to see that now. Whether starting alongside Mings or Konsa. Someone who is experienced at this level and prepared to dish the bollockings out. Not Lescott-style-going-through-the motions knob head experience though.
Fcuk that for a game of soldiers.
Roaring at full backs as you miss another cross. You utter Kryten cockwomble.
Post by: Villafirst on December 21, 2020, 06:54:30 AM
Post by: nodge on December 21, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 11:42:56 AM
In home games, when we're on the front foot more I still worry about us over-committing and being exposed to the counter attack but in away games we look really solid. When Allardyce changed things in the last 15 minutes, I thought that it would play into our hands and we would pick them off and so we did.
Post by: Chris Smith on December 21, 2020, 11:56:03 AM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 21, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: Richard E on December 21, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
Is he suspended for the Palace game? The Villa View think he is, Birmingham Mail Claret and Blue reckon not.
No, he's only got 3 yellow cards.
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 21, 2020, 04:20:34 PM
It's worth mentioning that I've read that December 31st is the cut-off date for getting a 1 game suspension for 5 yellow cards.
It's 19 games, which will currently be after Southampton at the end of January for us. 32 for 10.
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 21, 2020, 04:31:13 PM
Anyway, isn't Targett our next cab off this particular rank?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2020, 04:55:50 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 21, 2020, 04:58:15 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 21, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
The stuff about bookings is right at the start.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 21, 2020, 05:59:08 PM
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Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2020, 05:24:33 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 26, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
I think he's starting to mature as a central defender now. I think the more experience he gets, the more solid and consistent he's going to become.This aged well. ;-)
That said, today's experience should help him become more solid and consistent.
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2020, 05:29:29 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2020, 05:29:39 PM
Post by: nigel on December 26, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
Does Tyrone miss just the one game even though the second yellow made it 5?
I didn’t see the ref show the second yellow, so I thought it was a straight red as last man in defence
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2020, 05:32:48 PM
Does Tyrone miss just the one game even though the second yellow made it 5?
I didn’t see the ref show the second yellow, so I thought it was a straight red as last man in defence
Nope, they showed the second yellow clearly at half time on the BBC.
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2020, 05:36:13 PM
I genuinly think he was done by Zaha, that first was never a yellow.
But surely after the first yellow you need to adapt your game accordingly. Mings took an unnecessary chance on the ball and got punished, again. Deserves dropping for definite.
Post by: nigel on December 26, 2020, 05:40:37 PM
Does Tyrone miss just the one game even though the second yellow made it 5?
I didn’t see the ref show the second yellow, so I thought it was a straight red as last man in defence
Nope, they showed the second yellow clearly at half time on the BBC.
Thanks, mate, missed the half time chat
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 26, 2020, 05:41:33 PM
Post by: London Villan on December 26, 2020, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 06:12:44 PM
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Performance of the season that second half; lads were absolutely unreal!! I put the team in a horrible situation & I take full responsibility for that, but what a response
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1342882974182895617?s=20
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 06:14:49 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2020, 06:45:32 PM
Post by: supertom on December 26, 2020, 06:48:21 PM
A game out may just do him good. There's a big onus now on our backline to maintain their form in two tough games as well. We'll see just how well we cope without Mings, and whether he's unshiftable from our best 11 or not.
Post by: exigo on December 26, 2020, 07:16:18 PM
I'm not writing him off, because he's been part of our rise – and there are plenty of so called write-offs who have upped their game to where we want to be now (take a bow Matt Targett). But a game out and a spell on the bench might be just what he needs right now.
Post by: Smithy on December 26, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
There's something about his constant chewing of gum that really annoys me as well. None of the other defenders do it, they just, you know, defend. It's just adding to the demeanour that makes him look casual, like he thinks he's a modern day Maldini. Just knuckle down and defend – that first minute chance should have been his warning shot; if he slides in, he cuts the ball out, but because he's determined to stay on his feet no matter what he ends up watching the ball go past him and the player go round him.
I'm not writing him off, because he's been part of our rise – and there are plenty of so called write-offs who have upped their game to where we want to be now (take a bow Matt Targett). But a game out and a spell on the bench might be just what he needs right now.
I'm glad the chewing gum thing isn't just me - I didn't mention it because I didn't want to sound like a moany-old twat, but it really does give the impression of a laid-back teenager who doesn't give a shit.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 26, 2020, 08:08:06 PM
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Post by: wittonwarrior on December 26, 2020, 08:22:45 PM
In the first couple of minutes got beat for pace, he looks great for 90% of the time but is head strong and lacks the common sense when simply to whallop the ball.
Post by: FatSam on December 26, 2020, 08:27:18 PM
He has definitely regressed recently - is it overconfidence , a dip in confidence, poor concentration or another issue we are not aware of? I hope he comes back strongly as I like him as a player but also as a person .....he let himself down today by being drawn in by another players antics ......hopefully he learns from itI don’t think he’s regressed, I just think that everyone else has raised their games, and there aren’t any weak links. I think he’s a good player, but I’m not convinced that he’s our best central defender. His leadership though can’t be overlooked, and probably justifies his inclusion even when he has more mistakes in him than the others.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 26, 2020, 08:28:13 PM
He believes his own hype. Good defender but no Paul McGrath.
In the first couple of minutes got beat for pace, he looks great for 90% of the time but is head strong and lacks the common sense when simply to whallop the ball.
This
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 26, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
Bamford got into his head and now Zaha got him rattled.
You've hit it on the head - anyone who goes down like a bag of spuds is a problem for Tyrone. He would have been great in the 70's or 80's on heavier pitches when pace was not as big a problem as it is now
Post by: villabear on December 26, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
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Post by: Jon Crofts on December 26, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
He believes his own hype. Good defender but no Paul McGrath.
In the first couple of minutes got beat for pace, he looks great for 90% of the time but is head strong and lacks the common sense when simply to whallop the ball.
Not sure it was the pace that did for him he just looked completely flat footed.
He definitely tries one touch too many far too often for my liking, Row Z is where it’s at Tyrone.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
I think he definitely caught Zaha when he got booked initially and I thought it was a bit naughty tbh. I thought Zaha got into his head after that. He’s a moaning bugger always appealing to the refs. Should have dealt better with the header but after that he was always onto a loser with Zaha’s pace.
Agree it was quite nasty and sneaky
Post by: Ian. on December 26, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Silly boy today and he’ll no doubt be kicking himself for it.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2020, 08:53:47 PM
Well he’s been the main stay of our back four for a while, was massive in getting us promoted and helped keep 8 clean sheets this season.
Silly boy today and he’ll no doubt be kicking himself for it.
He has a great 2 years- Bournemouth fringe player to England squad regular - he needs to cut out the occasional lapses.
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 26, 2020, 09:13:04 PM
The El Ghazi haters have switched to Tyrone now. I can remember the negative comments about Douglas Luiz 12 months ago; saying he'll never be good enough. Same goes for Hause, Targett etc.,
Not sure there’s any hate going on, people are pointing out a few frustrations and minor faults that are preventing him being truly world class. He switches off in games now and again, he takes one touch too many on occasion and got done up like a kipper by Zaha today.
Post by: aj2k77 on December 26, 2020, 09:16:20 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 26, 2020, 10:14:03 PM
Definitely not a red today but his overall defending wasn't the best. A match off and time to think and sharpen his concentration.
It was two yellow cards and I think both were bookings. He had a poor game. It happens sometimes with Mings. Overall he has cut out some of the mistakes of before, and yes he is and has been very good for us, today was not one of his better days.
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2020, 10:15:13 PM
Am I right in thinking there was a similar incident in the game in July when Mings and Zaha both got booked?
I was thinking this too, I seem to remember some squaring up after an incident last season.
Fair play to him for holding his hands up to the incident.
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
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Post by: Ads on December 26, 2020, 10:28:27 PM
But he's huge, quick, good on the ball and a strong competitor and organiser. Sitting in the stands might do him good for a game. Forced freshen up.
Post by: FatSam on December 26, 2020, 10:28:43 PM
Agreed. This seems to be what he struggles with.Bamford got into his head and now Zaha got him rattled.You've hit it on the head - anyone who goes down like a bag of spuds is a problem for Tyrone. He would have been great in the 70's or 80's on heavier pitches when pace was not as big a problem as it is now
Post by: Matt C on December 26, 2020, 11:33:58 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 27, 2020, 12:14:46 AM
I thought the first yellow was harsh and haven't seen the second one close up. Ironic that Southgate (rightly) got slated about being negative towards Jack but he is more positive than many Villa fans about Tyrone.
2nd yellow wasn't a bad foul, but I think it was probably warranted given where it took place and that Palace were breaking.quite dangerously at the time.
Did think Zahs fouled Mings in the lead up to it though.
Post by: Villan For Life on December 27, 2020, 06:40:07 AM
Now we seem to have that player in Konsa who, with a bit more experience will become the senior player and Mings should prosper.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2020, 09:03:03 AM
Post by: Jockey Randall on December 27, 2020, 09:39:48 AM
I do think that his forward passing is an area which gets overlooked a lot of the time. His ability to play a pinpoint forward ball at pace through the lines is a massive asset for us.
Post by: AV82EC on December 27, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
It'll be interesting to see how we cope against Chelsea without him. As much as I'm loving how Konsa and Hause are playing I am slightly concerned about how well we'll progress the ball from the back. Appreciate they haven't played as much but Tyrone has managed 43 progressive passes so far this season while the other two have only managed 10 between them.
I do think that his forward passing is an area which gets overlooked a lot of the time. His ability to play a pinpoint forward ball at pace through the lines is a massive asset for us.
Very true, it’s often his passing which sets Jack and Matt marauding off down the left of the pitch. He does need to work on his defending and the overplaying in tight situations but Hause has nowhere near the ability on the ball Tyrone has. We’ll find out tomorrow how that affects us.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2020, 09:55:59 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
In the first incident Zaha is throwing punches, he was lucky to have been on the pitch for the second, deserved, yellow.
What did Mings do to Zaha before then? He was clearly reacting to something
Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Zaha - I thought - might have got a straight red for swinging out with his fist.
For the second yellow, Mings was fouled in the first contest for the ball and was then carded for his pull-back.
My view was that Mings was mugged - Zaha 'played' him perfectly. I really did not like Zaha before yesterday: over-rated, niggly and seemingly of the 'world owes me something' attitude. After yesterday, my opinion hasn't changed but my view of Mings has diminished: for someone who is supposed to be the mature and calming influence on the pitch I feel he has let us down.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 27, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
For the first incident, he showed great team spirit in protecting his player from being stamped on, then, when the handbags started, he showed maturity from turning away and walking away from Zaha, who was out of control. He calmed the situation down and got a yellow card for his efforts, many others would have fallen to the ground and rolled around in "agony".
Post by: ktvillan on December 27, 2020, 11:02:34 AM
I can't understand what Mings did to deserve the first yellow except avoid Zaha's attack on him, nor why Zaha didn't see red for raising his fists. The ref also gave Palace the free kick when Zaha had clearly fouled McGinn before kicking off.
The second incident the ref managed to miss the push in the back in the initial challenge, but Mings was perhaps naive not to go to ground, given the ref's pavlovian reactions to such behaviour.
Zaha conned the ref several times, the one where he dragged his foot against McGinn just outside the box, clearly initiating the contact, then one in the second half where he went down like a backstreet hooker upon being barely touched on the chest by Luiz. I said it in the match thread I think Jack sometime does go down a bit too easily, but Zaha is an absolutely disgraceful blatant diver.
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
Post by: AV82EC on December 27, 2020, 11:16:16 AM
There's a video of the build up to the first incident on Twitter, and it looks very much like he puts a fair bit of effort into stamping on Zaha. A bit like the WBA sending off, you can see the effort he puts into his leg movement. Luckily for him and us it didn't connect.
He definitely lost it as it was a kick out at Zaha after he’d fouled McGinn but a few seconds prior to that I saw something on Twitter where Zaha appeared to turn push/punch (?) Mings in the stomach so they were obviously winding each other up.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 27, 2020, 11:20:24 AM
There's a video of the build up to the first incident on Twitter, and it looks very much like he puts a fair bit of effort into stamping on Zaha. A bit like the WBA sending off, you can see the effort he puts into his leg movement. Luckily for him and us it didn't connect.
I saw that at the time proper sneaky and nasty effort. I am surprised they didn't relook at it. It was as if he tried to scrape down Zaha calf.
Personally I don't think he has any complaints - he was mugged by Zaha. If Jack had done the same to Stones or VVD or MacGuire we would mostly be saying how well he games them.
No-one doubts Mings commitment, endeavour and continues to work on technical aspects, he has to cut out these daft moments which do no-one at Vila any favours.
Love the fact he come from Bournemouth fringe player to England squad regular but yesterday he did wrong.
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
And that's accepting his form has been a bit off lately - though he can't be too dreadful, in a defensive unit that has kept four clean sheets in a row.
First yellow for him and Zaha was fair enough. Second yellow seems to be for little more than obstruction. A foul, yes. But you rarely see a card given for it.
It's particularly shit seeing as Milivojević got a yellow for scything Jack down in the second half and was then allowed to push El Ghazi over moments later and the ref did phuck all.
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Zaha is a pure cheat. He should have walked for the temper tantrum, he should have walked for the dive against Dougie.
He's an absolute toddler of a man.
Post by: Chris Smith on December 27, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
There's a video of the build up to the first incident on Twitter, and it looks very much like he puts a fair bit of effort into stamping on Zaha. A bit like the WBA sending off, you can see the effort he puts into his leg movement. Luckily for him and us it didn't connect.
Zaha initiated it all before the ball was played when he gave Mings a massive shove up near the throat as he moved away from him. He should have kept his cool but unfortunately gave him exactly what he wanted but it was clearly a snidey premeditated tactic from Palace which makes stuffing them with 10 men even better.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2020, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
There's a video of the build up to the first incident on Twitter, and it looks very much like he puts a fair bit of effort into stamping on Zaha. A bit like the WBA sending off, you can see the effort he puts into his leg movement. Luckily for him and us it didn't connect.
Zaha initiated it all before the ball was played when he gave Mings a massive shove up near the throat as he moved away from him. He should have kept his cool but unfortunately gave him exactly what he wanted but it was clearly a snidey premeditated tactic from Palace which makes stuffing them with 10 men even better.
Mings is clearly an intelligent and articulate person, but he's not always the most intelligent footballer. He lets players get to him far too easily, and when it works even a non-entity like Bamford had a field day and filled his boots.
Post by: andyh on December 27, 2020, 11:46:36 AM
Mings and zaha are in the Villa half, Mings touches Zaha’s back (barely) and Zaha turns and punches out at Mings’ stomach.
The ball was no where near them at this stage.
Then Zaha sprints forward to rob the ball off SJM who is on the ground, then it kicks off.
Had Mings gone down during that initial melee Zaha would have been sent off, for sure.
I’m not convinced by the ‘stamp’ either. Mings had to step over SJM to try and get to the ball. There is no way that Zaha could have thought Mings was trying to stamp on him, he had his back to Mings so couldn’t have seen it coming.
Zaha had it in for Mings and successfully conned the ref into getting him sent off.
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2020, 12:08:45 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
The most embarrassing thing was Mings positioning before he fouled Zaha for the second yellow. He shaped to make him go out towards the touchline line but got it totally wrong and ended up in a mess.
It's his inability to even turn onto his right side that is undoing time and again. Same for that chance in the first minute. He tries to over compensate by being smart and trying a trick or flick on his left.
Post by: andyh on December 27, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
How come VAR does not pick this up.That’s what I was referring to above.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Post by: mcgrath_85 on December 27, 2020, 12:44:50 PM
How come VAR does not pick this up.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
That's a disgrace.
Post by: mike on December 27, 2020, 01:11:39 PM
How come VAR does not pick this up.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Because VAR is about spotting offside nose hairs not violent play.
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2020, 01:25:10 PM
I've said it before with Tyrone too, but sometimes he goes for the awkward body position (as you say, often using his left side because he won't use his right). He stretches uncomfortably, or dives in on an awkward position. Apart from increasing the chances of him fouling someone or missing a challenge and being left for dead, it also puts my heart in mouth, that he'll do himself a mischief. He's had injuries before and serious ones, and really needs to do something about his body positioning sometimes, and start working on being able to use his right foot to tackle.The most embarrassing thing was Mings positioning before he fouled Zaha for the second yellow. He shaped to make him go out towards the touchline line but got it totally wrong and ended up in a mess.
It's his inability to even turn onto his right side that is undoing time and again. Same for that chance in the first minute. He tries to over compensate by being smart and trying a trick or flick on his left.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
How come VAR does not pick this up.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Nasty little calculating shit. Do they still have that panel or committee or whatever it was that meted out retrospective judgements on things like this that had gone unnoticed at the time? That's what happened with Dwight Gayle for his dive a couple of seasons back. Maybe the PL don't bother now there's var.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 27, 2020, 01:55:45 PM
I've said it before with Tyrone too, but sometimes he goes for the awkward body position (as you say, often using his left side because he won't use his right). He stretches uncomfortably, or dives in on an awkward position. Apart from increasing the chances of him fouling someone or missing a challenge and being left for dead, it also puts my heart in mouth, that he'll do himself a mischief. He's had injuries before and serious ones, and really needs to do something about his body positioning sometimes, and start working on being able to use his right foot to tackle.The most embarrassing thing was Mings positioning before he fouled Zaha for the second yellow. He shaped to make him go out towards the touchline line but got it totally wrong and ended up in a mess.
It's his inability to even turn onto his right side that is undoing time and again. Same for that chance in the first minute. He tries to over compensate by being smart and trying a trick or flick on his left.
He was fouled ahead of second offence putting him off-balance in dealing with the ball. I'm not saying he's not prone to the odd mistake, but the ref handled the 2nd situation as badly as he did the 1st.
In the 1st the over-rated palace twunt should have been sent off for his foul on McGinn and then his ott reaction to Tyrone (2 offences, but only one was dealt with meekly).
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 28, 2020, 02:18:43 AM
How come VAR does not pick this up.That’s what I was referring to above.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
I didn't pick up on that during the game but at least it explains why Ming's lost his composure and the subsequent, attempted stamp.
Post by: four fornicholl on December 28, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
I thought the wind may have caught Tyrone out re the 2nd incident.I've said it before with Tyrone too, but sometimes he goes for the awkward body position (as you say, often using his left side because he won't use his right). He stretches uncomfortably, or dives in on an awkward position. Apart from increasing the chances of him fouling someone or missing a challenge and being left for dead, it also puts my heart in mouth, that he'll do himself a mischief. He's had injuries before and serious ones, and really needs to do something about his body positioning sometimes, and start working on being able to use his right foot to tackle.The most embarrassing thing was Mings positioning before he fouled Zaha for the second yellow. He shaped to make him go out towards the touchline line but got it totally wrong and ended up in a mess.
It's his inability to even turn onto his right side that is undoing time and again. Same for that chance in the first minute. He tries to over compensate by being smart and trying a trick or flick on his left.
He was fouled ahead of second offence putting him off-balance in dealing with the ball. I'm not saying he's not prone to the odd mistake, but the ref handled the 2nd situation as badly as he did the 1st.
In the 1st the over-rated palace twunt should have been sent off for his foul on McGinn and then his ott reaction to Tyrone (2 offences, but only one was dealt with meekly).
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 28, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2020, 10:06:19 AM
How come VAR does not pick this up.Exactly why there should be some citation system: now that the VAR system exists, use it!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Post by: stevo_st on December 28, 2020, 10:29:08 AM
How come VAR does not pick this up.Exactly why there should be some citation system: now that the VAR system exists, use it!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
Nothing more than a bit of handbags, if the ref saw that he would have called him or both over to stop acting like children.
Mings should be experienced enough to not get wound up / lose his concentration over it
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2020, 11:33:27 AM
How come VAR does not pick this up.That’s what I was referring to above.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1343115819891486720
I didn't pick up on that during the game but at least it explains why Ming's lost his composure and the subsequent, attempted stamp.
I don’t see a stamp, looked like more of a sharp knee up the arse as he goes in. I’ve no doubt that it was a reaction, but it wasn’t a stamp for me.
Post by: dave shelley on December 28, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
Anyone have any idea if Dermot Gallagher was on at all discussing the weekends controversies. Be interesting to hear his opinion on Zaha's punch on Ming's, if Sky are brave enough to show it?
Hey DS seasons greetings (I just realised you have same initials as Divine Saint , Dean Smith and Corrected now to Dean Smith has the same initials as you! )
Anyhow
DERMOT SAYS: It is definitely a foul by Mings, Zaha turns him and he just grabs out at him. Ironically, he had just been booked three or four minutes earlier after a foul on Zaha. Knowing you are on a yellow card, it is not wise to do that because the referee [Anthony Taylor] is just going to send you off, there is no doubt.
He said ok Ref watch it was the correct decision
I would have liked them to have pointed out how Joel Ward , the right back, who was already on a yellow in second half did a bookable again late on but wasn't booked and sent off
Seemed Taylor felt it was so late on he couldn't be bothered.
It was on Grealish and we were in midst of another free flowing attack
By letter of law and rules Ward should have been off!
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2020, 01:38:11 PM
Anyone have any idea if Dermot Gallagher was on at all discussing the weekends controversies. Be interesting to hear his opinion on Zaha's punch on Ming's, if Sky are brave enough to show it?
And if helps Ref Watch is always on Monday mornings around 11am on sky sports news and they post it up on sky sports website too soon after..
Post by: dave shelley on December 28, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
Seasons greetings to you too, stay safe.
Post by: mike on December 31, 2020, 11:15:27 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 31, 2020, 02:53:14 PM
In Garth Crooks team of the year.
There's no higher praise. :o
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 31, 2020, 03:48:13 PM
Alongside the rest of the red scum that we stuck 7 past!In Garth Crooks team of the year.
There's no higher praise. :o
Post by: mike on December 31, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 01, 2021, 12:22:17 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 01, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2021, 04:17:52 PM
He is top notch until he has a lapse of concentration - up there with the likes of Melberg/Evans/McNaught, still some way to God.
Yep, I'd say Mellberg in particular is a good comparison. Minbgs won't get to the level of McGrath but Konsa could, he's already excellent and is still 5-6 years away from his prime.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 10:45:25 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on January 01, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
Mings is on The High Performance Podcast, well worth a watch.
That’s a good podcast series. I thought the Jonny Wilkinson one would be great but he was far too deep And complex for me
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 06:37:44 AM
He’s really got to up his game. He was at fault for the first goal and he switched off to give Pogba a chance he should have scored. We need better than that from Tyrone.I am beginning to suspect we need better than Tyrone.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2021, 09:47:09 AM
He’s really got to up his game. He was at fault for the first goal and he switched off to give Pogba a chance he should have scored. We need better than that from Tyrone.I am beginning to suspect we need better than Tyrone.
I think he has credit in the bank and was unlucky last night, the cross wrong foots him totally, but he will know that as hes the type to beat himself up for it afterwards. I think long term, it might be a bit of the case Leicester had with Maguire, there is a value that some clubs may pay the sort of money that we would be happy with, allow us to sign a couple of replacements, and allow him to go at the right time.
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 09:59:53 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 10:18:05 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 02, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 02, 2021, 10:48:37 AM
Who was tracking the runner who got a free header? The ball may have got past Mings but nobody else (Konsa) challenged the header.Yes, to claim this was a Mings clanger is stretching it a bit. El Ghazi also stopped running back.
Done better? Sure.
Also that Hause has played 2 games well, and suddenly he is flawless. He has a history of trying to dribble with the ball, but ending upp in trouble. Different things with different players
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 11:03:26 AM
It was a shit decision to drop Hause. Mings has always got a match-changing error in him, and so it proved yet again. I didn't see much of his supposed Baresi-esque distribution either that makes him so much better than Hause.
Agree that dropping Hause was wrong but I don't think Ming's did too much wrong for their goal. He was unlucky his header bounced straight off Martial and in.
Post by: Luke8 on January 02, 2021, 11:08:06 AM
Also, again just my opinion, but Mings gets back in because he is a better defender than Hause. And has better leader and organisional qualities. Hause has been good, and can certainly feel a tad unfortunate, but it’s not like our defence has been poor in it with Mings this season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 02:38:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
If he heads the ball away from goal, they don’t score.
Except he did, and they did.
He just didn't get enough on it.
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 06:17:37 PM
If he heads the ball away from goal, they don’t score.
He did head the ball away from goal.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 02, 2021, 07:08:21 PM
It was a shit decision to drop Hause. Mings has always got a match-changing error in him, and so it proved yet again. I didn't see much of his supposed Baresi-esque distribution either that makes him so much better than Hause.
Agree that dropping Hause was wrong but I don't think Ming's did too much wrong for their goal. He was unlucky his header bounced straight off Martial and in.
Mings is a better player than Hause that’s why Hause was dropped. I think it’s extremely harsh a portioning blame on him for the goal. It was a fortunate goal for Martial.
Post by: passport1 on January 02, 2021, 07:44:02 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
Martial is behind Mings when he heads it, maybe look at the replay.If he heads the ball away from goal, they don’t score.
He did head the ball away from goal.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 09:09:18 PM
Yeah, I don’t think the goal can be purely put down to Mings. He got to cut the near post out otherwise there is potentially a tap in for the striker. It’s as much on Konsa, who is in a much better position to actually see Martial, as it is Mings in my opinion.
Also, again just my opinion, but Mings gets back in because he is a better defender than Hause. And has better leader and organisional qualities. Hause has been good, and can certainly feel a tad unfortunate, but it’s not like our defence has been poor in it with Mings this season.
Mings has been at fault for numerous goals this season including last night. He is yet to play consistently well in the top division really. He isnt even the best centre half at the club anymore and should be under serious pressure for his place at this stage. Hause did nothing wrong in his recent stint in the side, granted the likes of Burnley, West Brom or Palace werent the most taxing of nights, but no unforced errors.
The fact Mings is anywhere near the English national side says more about the paucity of options available than his talents.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 09:11:23 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 02, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 09:28:39 PM
Martial is behind Mings when he heads it, maybe look at the replay.If he heads the ball away from goal, they don’t score.
He did head the ball away from goal.
Does he head it towards the net?
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 10:26:27 PM
He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
Surprised you didn't mention McGinn letting Pogba chip the ball over him in midfield to start the move...
It wasn't Cafu that skated down our wing though, it was the bang average AWB who can't cross a decent ball to save himself. There is one forward in the box. Mings is in a decent starting position at the front post but instead of opening out his body for a routine clearance with his right foot, he tries a circus act of a header which he makes a mess of and costs us a goal. At the root of this is once again his complete inability to trust using his right side. It's the reason he won't ever be a top defender, he is as one sided as Conor Hourihane is. Most of his mistakes are down to the lack of trust he has on using his right foot to even clear the ball, not to mind using his foot he isn't even comfortable turning his body onto his right side, it's like he loses balance when he tries. That's not easily fixable.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 02, 2021, 10:43:27 PM
So the ball played at head hight is a routine clearance with his right boot?He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
Surprised you didn't mention McGinn letting Pogba chip the ball over him in midfield to start the move...
It wasn't Cafu that skated down our wing though, it was the bang average AWB who can't cross a decent ball to save himself. There is one forward in the box. Mings is in a decent starting position at the front post but instead of opening out his body for a routine clearance with his right foot, he tries a circus act of a header which he makes a mess of and costs us a goal. At the root of this is once again his complete inability to trust using his right side. It's the reason he won't ever be a top defender, he is as one sided as Conor Hourihane is. Most of his mistakes are down to the lack of trust he has on using his right foot to even clear the ball, not to mind using his foot he isn't even comfortable turning his body onto his right side, it's like he loses balance when he tries. That's not easily fixable.
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 10:56:57 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 11:25:52 PM
So the ball played at head hight is a routine clearance with his right boot?He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
Surprised you didn't mention McGinn letting Pogba chip the ball over him in midfield to start the move...
It wasn't Cafu that skated down our wing though, it was the bang average AWB who can't cross a decent ball to save himself. There is one forward in the box. Mings is in a decent starting position at the front post but instead of opening out his body for a routine clearance with his right foot, he tries a circus act of a header which he makes a mess of and costs us a goal. At the root of this is once again his complete inability to trust using his right side. It's the reason he won't ever be a top defender, he is as one sided as Conor Hourihane is. Most of his mistakes are down to the lack of trust he has on using his right foot to even clear the ball, not to mind using his foot he isn't even comfortable turning his body onto his right side, it's like he loses balance when he tries. That's not easily fixable.
why was he stooping down so low if the ball was at head height....
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2021, 12:41:20 AM
He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
What has Konsa done wrong there? He did track Martial, but then his defensive partner headed the ball straight at Martial rather than up in the air or out for a corner. What else could he have done?
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2021, 12:58:45 AM
He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
What has Konsa done wrong there? He did track Martial, but then his defensive partner headed the ball straight at Martial rather than up in the air or out for a corner. What else could he have done?
Challenged the free header?
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2021, 12:59:41 AM
He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.
Good points.
El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial. Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.
Surprised you didn't mention McGinn letting Pogba chip the ball over him in midfield to start the move...
It wasn't Cafu that skated down our wing though, it was the bang average AWB who can't cross a decent ball to save himself. There is one forward in the box. Mings is in a decent starting position at the front post but instead of opening out his body for a routine clearance with his right foot, he tries a circus act of a header which he makes a mess of and costs us a goal. At the root of this is once again his complete inability to trust using his right side. It's the reason he won't ever be a top defender, he is as one sided as Conor Hourihane is. Most of his mistakes are down to the lack of trust he has on using his right foot to even clear the ball, not to mind using his foot he isn't even comfortable turning his body onto his right side, it's like he loses balance when he tries. That's not easily fixable.
So the defender should have kicked it clear but the attacker was right to head it in?
Post by: Allan C on January 03, 2021, 08:37:05 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 09:20:18 AM
Of the 5 games we've lost (that Tyrone has played) it's arguable that we should have got results in 3 of those games, but for sh-t refereeing/var decisions. I didn't see the Soton match, but the only game we were fairly beaten in imo was Leeds and most of the Villa players were to blame then.
Some people just can't help their scapegoating tendancies.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 03, 2021, 09:25:21 AM
And I don't think he's fallen, he's better than he was last season. The reason he's not our best defender any more is because of Konsa's extraordinarily greater improvement.
Post by: Moonraker on January 03, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
Post by: passport1 on January 03, 2021, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 03, 2021, 12:09:02 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 04, 2021, 07:01:12 AM
Yes we have always liked to find a scapegoat in our team however well we have been playing. The error if indeed there was one was the fact that McGinn was providing the cover on the cross and basically running in treacle. A faster player may have got a block in but that is where the damage was done.
All clubs fans like a scape goat - even Liverpool late 80s had Barry Venison. Other than the United treble winning side or Arsenal's invcibles seemingly.
He was at fault for the goal but was a little unlucky and others were also not as sharp as they could have been. It was also a well worked goal
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2021, 07:07:47 AM
Post by: fredm on January 04, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 04, 2021, 11:47:03 AM
The goal came about primarily because we did not track the runner out wide who eventually put the cross in. With our policy of playing the full backs fairly tight into the centre of the field other teams know there is space out wide to get runners into. Therefore it is imperative that these are tracked. If no one tracks them, then we are in trouble.You're right but the Pogba flick over McGinn's head followed by a very crisp 1-2 beat our defence. It happens.
Mings could have done better but the fact that Martial cleverly anticipated the ball meant that Mings' clearance hit him. Unfortunate.
It may sound flippant, but these things happen. Far more frustrating was the 'penalty' given away.
Post by: Gerrin on January 04, 2021, 02:20:07 PM
Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team
It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2021, 03:04:52 PM
Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team
It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.
Burnley...and that was one of his better games this season. Destroyed by Bamford v Leeds was probably the worst. Destroyed by Wellbeck too. At fault for the Salah goal v Liverpool. Poor in the defeats v West Ham and Southampton. I seem to recall a brain fart v Arsenal when he went running with the ball across the box that nearly led to a goal. Sent off v Palace. It's long past the stage of odd errors with Mings.
Post by: Gareth on January 04, 2021, 04:28:45 PM
Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team
It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.
Burnley...and that was one of his better games this season. Destroyed by Bamford v Leeds was probably the worst. Destroyed by Wellbeck too. At fault for the Salah goal v Liverpool. Poor in the defeats v West Ham and Southampton. I seem to recall a brain fart v Arsenal when he went running with the ball across the box that nearly led to a goal. Sent off v Palace. It's long past the stage of odd errors with Mings.
I would disagree, the 40 minutes v Palace were poor but other than that he is a normal defender in a key position, wins some & loses some challenges. After the promotion 6 months where he was immense against Championship strikers and got his cult hero status the expectation level was through the ceiling.
For me if England had a couple of quality centre backs (we have none) he would be nowhere near the international team but he is at least as good as the others selected.
I think when we defend as high up the pitch as we have this season and you are a centre half who is moderately quick not jet heeled like a Des Walker was there are going to be times, particularly on the turn that you are going to be caught out.
Hause will never be a first choice in this league because he isn’t good enough with the ball at his feet, if you want a defender off the bench when under the cosh he is great but not week in week out.
Mings like Targett could do with genuine competition for the shirt but at the moment they are both comfortably in possession for me.
Post by: mike on January 04, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 04, 2021, 04:58:03 PM
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.
On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.
On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 04, 2021, 05:14:24 PM
After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.
There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball
Mings leads the way, his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.
I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognition
For me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly.I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.
On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.
On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.
Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season.
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.
Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.
Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and Mee
Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football
That's my observations and opinion.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 04, 2021, 05:30:01 PM
I don't expect support to be unconditional, but in my view some of the critisism of him is OTT.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2021, 05:33:12 PM
Post by: Allan C on January 04, 2021, 07:00:07 PM
Some great points made here. Currently I wouldn’t swap Mings for for any other central defender in Britain with the exception of Van Dijk. I think we’ve got the best central defensive pairing in the Premier League currently but in all honesty, they all make mistakes, Van Dijk included, and usually it’ll lead to conceding a goal. He’s learnt a lot in the last two seasons with us and I think he’s still learning. It’s very unfair to question his England position (and very disappointing from Villa fans) He’s miles ahead of Maguire or Stones and a quick look at this seasons record indicates the defence is doing something rightAfter the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.
There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball
Kongs leads the way his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.
I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognitionFor me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly.I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.
On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.
On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.
Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season.
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.
Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.
Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and Mee
Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football
That's my observations and opinion.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 04, 2021, 09:09:23 PM
After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.To me I celebrates Mings hes the best English left footed centre half in the country and at times been the best English centre back
And by a mile hes the most eloquent English player who has leadership qualities.
There's no other plauer apart from Konsa and Hause who are so calm and take time on the ball
Kongs leads the way his effervescent style is something I like in his ball playing and defending. Its says to me I'm in control.
I was initially sceptical on signing him of his wayward temperament in being aggressive but he's only excelled at championship level and just got better and better to me deserving of all plaudits and England international recognitionFor me the nub of it for me is that he's a good mid table central defender, with excellent leadership qualities and a great left foot which gets us moving forward quickly.I like people to be more supportive of him rather than criticism as many defenders make mistakes and he's one of the main players of our first 11.
He gets into the England team because there's not many options.
On the downside he makes too many mistakes to be a top class player and would need an upgrade in the medium term if we want to move onwards and upward.
On the whole purely in defensive qualities although Konsa is better and on his recent run Hause would push him close as well.
Hes in top 2 best English defenders but hes certainly a long way off world class of say Raphael Varane or Virgil van Dijk.
To mqny hes as good as Maguire far calmer on the ball. If you want mistakes over last 24 months then that's Stones done more and Eric Died always a poor pass away from a disaster.
So think judging him as mistake laden isn't to fair as he's been in a team under kosh and having to take further responsibility sometimes carrying defence last season.
Upon improving and developing hes become to many a top class defender in prem league.
Him and Konsa are the two best England defender partnership in the league
There isn't another England partnership of Central defence worth changing for.
Cahill and Dann
Keane and Holgate
Webster and Dunk
Tarkowski and Mee
Any combo of Hause Mings and Konsa is better than them in that all of our central defenders are developed into playing an unhurried style and composed football
That's my observations and opinion.
Apologies for quotathon ...
You've cited my post in the context of suggesting we should more supportive of Mings - despite me citing him as excellent leader and having great distribution skills.
You then march off on a total red herring of comparisons with other English defenders which is something Southgate needs to worry about, not Dean Smith.
You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope.
It isn't really that contentious.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2021, 09:27:29 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 04, 2021, 09:53:35 PM
There's no inevitability about I because as you say he could improve.
The problem as I see at the moment is that his error rate hasn't improved in the 50 or so premier league games for us.
He has some massive plus points and an upgrade is way off being the priority. But, when may on here felt that Hause should have retained his place then the discussion is both interesting and valid.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2021, 10:04:38 PM
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2021, 10:14:19 PM
Post by: Allan C on January 04, 2021, 10:20:09 PM
It's all about opinions.Surely our defensive record this season says otherwise??? The most clean sheets?? He, along with the others must be doing something right.
There's no inevitability about I because as you say he could improve.
The problem as I see at the moment is that his error rate hasn't improved in the 50 or so premier league games for us.
He has some massive plus points and an upgrade is way off being the priority. But, when may on here felt that Hause should have retained his place then the discussion is both interesting and valid.
Post by: Steve67 on January 04, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2021, 10:28:36 PM
I'd still rather Tyrone be playing for us than, say, Tottenham, Everton etc. He a great player and an excellent chap and I'm proud of him for what he does the BLM and the mental health campaigns led by the villa supporting future King. Oh, he is also still a fantastic player, who makes the odd rick here and there. Different players I know, but we don't moan too much when Jack takes a wrong decision on the pitch, shoots when he should have passed, or vice versa, hangs on to it for too long or generally has a quiet game. Tyrone is one of ours, loves playing for the Villa.
This.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2021, 10:30:33 PM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
I'm not sure you are getting how forums work....any plumbing advice though ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2021, 10:36:50 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 04, 2021, 10:40:39 PM
I'd still rather Tyrone be playing for us than, say, Tottenham, Everton etc. He a great player and an excellent chap and I'm proud of him for what he does the BLM and the mental health campaigns led by the villa supporting future King. Oh, he is also still a fantastic player, who makes the odd rick here and there. Different players I know, but we don't moan too much when Jack takes a wrong decision on the pitch, shoots when he should have passed, or vice versa, hangs on to it for too long or generally has a quiet game. Tyrone is one of ours, loves playing for the Villa.
This.
Great post!
Post by: dave shelley on January 05, 2021, 09:37:25 AM
It's water in pipes. All plumbers are thieves.
Not the one I use. Had to call him in yesterday to fix a leaking radiator that was causing the central heating pressure to drop. Rang him in the morning, he came early afternoon, replaced summat and was on his way...€40.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2021, 10:01:04 AM
Tyrone is one of ours, loves playing for the Villa.
Not disagreeing with your post, and I think Mings is going through an iffy patch but is still a leader on the pitch and very important to us as a club.
I do think, however, that if we're going to be really successful, we're going to have to get more ruthless and move away from being driven by sentiment and look more at delivery, and in particular what happens when players consistently do not deliver.
In other words they shouldn't get a pass because they love playing for us (although that's a love stoked by paying him tens of thousands of pounds a month) or we see them as one of ours.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 10:51:43 AM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
They're not always right. I'm not a professional football anything, but even I could see that signing Danny Drinkwater was utter stupidity last season. Even worse was having seen him waddle around the pitch in his first match, they then picked him again. Imagine my surprise when somebody with a reputation for having a terrible attitude and getting into fights then assaulted one of our other players in training. To use your plumbing analogy, it was like calling somebody out to fit a new sink, and them plumbing in a Mark IV Ford Cortina instead.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 05, 2021, 11:11:31 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2021, 11:20:40 AM
It's water in pipes. All plumbers are thieves.
Not the one I use. Had to call him in yesterday to fix a leaking radiator that was causing the central heating pressure to drop. Rang him in the morning, he came early afternoon, replaced summat and was on his way...€40.
Dave! I'm shocked and disappointed that you didn't at least try me for radiator stuff. It's my area, for sure.
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2021, 11:38:49 AM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
They're not always right. I'm not a professional football anything, but even I could see that signing Danny Drinkwater was utter stupidity last season. Even worse was having seen him waddle around the pitch in his first match, they then picked him again. Imagine my surprise when somebody with a reputation for having a terrible attitude and getting into fights then assaulted one of our other players in training. To use your plumbing analogy, it was like calling somebody out to fit a new sink, and them plumbing in a Mark IV Ford Cortina instead.
True but if it was down to you we'd have replaced about 5-6 of the players who've performed well this season, including Targett, AEG and Trez who've you've called absolutely shite numerous times in the last 18months. This isn't me singling you out to slag off just highlighting that everyone makes mistakes, the difference is that people like Smith see the players a lot more than we do and can see how they're responding to training. Smith clearly sees Mings as a key player for his style and given the overall results I see anything to suggest he's getting that wrong. Yes Mings makes some mistakes (but in my opinion they are massively overstated by some people) but he also brings a lot of good things to the team.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 12:07:36 PM
Risso, you’ve gotta let this Danny Drinkwater thing go!
I can't! :'(
Post by: dave shelley on January 05, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
It's water in pipes. All plumbers are thieves.
Not the one I use. Had to call him in yesterday to fix a leaking radiator that was causing the central heating pressure to drop. Rang him in the morning, he came early afternoon, replaced summat and was on his way...€40.
Dave! I'm shocked and disappointed that you didn't at least try me for radiator stuff. It's my area, for sure.
Apologies SE, I did think about you but I thought I can't afford the call out charge from Mexico!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
They're not always right. I'm not a professional football anything, but even I could see that signing Danny Drinkwater was utter stupidity last season. Even worse was having seen him waddle around the pitch in his first match, they then picked him again. Imagine my surprise when somebody with a reputation for having a terrible attitude and getting into fights then assaulted one of our other players in training. To use your plumbing analogy, it was like calling somebody out to fit a new sink, and them plumbing in a Mark IV Ford Cortina instead.
Indeed and I woiuld also add, if we buy into the concept of management infallibility, then we can't be selective as to how we apply it.
So that means Alex McLeish was right to play 9 defenders at White Hart Lane, that Remi Garde was right with his decisions, and that Paul Lambert throwing Samba up front in a desperate attempt to win that LC semi final was also right.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 05, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
Risso, you’ve gotta let this Danny Drinkwater thing go!
I can't! :'(
Surely someone on here knows of a relevant “helpline?”
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2021, 01:25:24 PM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
They're not always right. I'm not a professional football anything, but even I could see that signing Danny Drinkwater was utter stupidity last season. Even worse was having seen him waddle around the pitch in his first match, they then picked him again. Imagine my surprise when somebody with a reputation for having a terrible attitude and getting into fights then assaulted one of our other players in training. To use your plumbing analogy, it was like calling somebody out to fit a new sink, and them plumbing in a Mark IV Ford Cortina instead.
Indeed and I woiuld also add, if we buy into the concept of management infallibility, then we can't be selective as to how we apply it.
So that means Alex McLeish was right to play 9 defenders at White Hart Lane, that Remi Garde was right with his decisions, and that Paul Lambert throwing Samba up front in a desperate attempt to win that LC semi final was also right.
I thought the Samba decision was excellent.
I suppose a bit of balance is required, the three mentioned were evidently useless as anyone with a pair of eyes could see, whereas at least the current set up appear to be able to distinguish arse from elbow on the evidence presented so far.
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
"You ignore the point that in the long run a replacement will be needed - as with many of our current squad - if we are going to progress as we would hope." Oldhill_AVFC
It isn't really that contentious.Yes, and I am discussing the opinion, that I hold, that our manager and coaching staff, who work closely with the squad, week in and week out, and have attained such an unexpected and exceptional level of performance from a squad, that most felt would be in a relegation fight this year, might, just might, maybe, perhaps... know better than we do. They chose to bring Mings back and replace Hause as soon as he was available and, maybe, just maybe, we should believe in their knowledge and vision of what will work best for the team. That's just my opinion. You are welcome to believe you know better than them, and next time you need a plumber, maybe, just maybe, you should try and do it yourself. You never know you may be better at that than them, too.
They're not always right. I'm not a professional football anything, but even I could see that signing Danny Drinkwater was utter stupidity last season. Even worse was having seen him waddle around the pitch in his first match, they then picked him again. Imagine my surprise when somebody with a reputation for having a terrible attitude and getting into fights then assaulted one of our other players in training. To use your plumbing analogy, it was like calling somebody out to fit a new sink, and them plumbing in a Mark IV Ford Cortina instead.
Indeed and I woiuld also add, if we buy into the concept of management infallibility, then we can't be selective as to how we apply it.
So that means Alex McLeish was right to play 9 defenders at White Hart Lane, that Remi Garde was right with his decisions, and that Paul Lambert throwing Samba up front in a desperate attempt to win that LC semi final was also right.
^^
How many times did we hear on here that if it was good enough for David O'Leary/ Martin O'Neill et al it was good enough for us.
That went well.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
Post by: Moonraker on January 05, 2021, 01:55:17 PM
Post by: Moonraker on January 05, 2021, 01:58:01 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 02:03:45 PM
And can we stop having a go at Tyrone? He is Ours, he is a great player and he is a great leader on and off the pitch. No one here would seriously consider swopping him.
I would.
Post by: sid1964 on January 05, 2021, 02:16:12 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 05, 2021, 02:26:22 PM
Keep up the good work Tyrone, you'll be with us for a good while yet.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 05, 2021, 02:40:15 PM
Equally though at various times over the last season and a half Smith, Konsa, Trezeguet, Hause, Mings, El Ghazi, and as recently as five or six weeks ago McGinn were said by some of us on here to be not good enough - for me the club's judgement in the last year has been very good indeed other than a few exceptions so they've earned my trust in their willingness to take a decision if they think it will improve us but equally to keep hold if they think there's more development to come.
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2021, 03:05:54 PM
And can we stop having a go at Tyrone? He is Ours, he is a great player and he is a great leader on and off the pitch. No one here would seriously consider swopping him.Yes but what does Mrs Moonraker say about our venerable Tyrone?
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 05, 2021, 03:12:40 PM
(queue - opinion, nobody slagging off, they earn plenty of money etc. etc.)
Post by: Moonraker on January 05, 2021, 03:16:25 PM
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Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I don't think sentiment is something this management and executive set-up can be accused of. When we came up it would have been easy for them to give good servants like Albert or Hutton new deals but they rightly gave them the chop. This pre-season, no-one would have criticised them for keeping Heaton and Freddy/AEH as first choices but Martinez and Cash became available and they were brought in. Samatta came in, was shite, so was promptly shipped out again. They've done nothing but constantly improve the team and coaching set-up, and I don't doubt that if a centre-half Smith sees as better than Mings became available they'd bring him in.
Equally though at various times over the last season and a half Smith, Konsa, Trezeguet, Hause, Mings, El Ghazi, and as recently as five or six weeks ago McGinn were said by some of us on here to be not good enough - for me the club's judgement in the last year has been very good indeed other than a few exceptions so they've earned my trust in their willingness to take a decision if they think it will improve us but equally to keep hold if they think there's more development to come.
Absolutely, it's not a case of "If Smith thinks it's good then that's ok for me" but rather "I trust Smith to know what he's doing so, until there's evidence against it, I'll trust his judgement on players". As I said on the Barkley thread talking about Alli I think the biggest thing Smith looks for is attitude, players who can accept having their flaws pointed out and will then work on fixing them. It's why Grealish is the player he is and it's why Luiz, Targett and Konsa in particular have gone from looking like relegation battlers to being top 6 standard.
Post by: Allan C on January 05, 2021, 05:10:04 PM
He'll have a great game v Liverpool on Friday night and all will be forgotten. Even so, Tyrone's market value is now £30 million +. Who is better out there available that we could replace him with? I think he's as good as if not better than Maguire and we all know what he cost.Precisely this. Except for the Maguire comparison, Mings is considerably better IMO. Given that we won’t buy Van Dijk, who would we buy to replace the current England number one in that position?? That’s fact not sentiment.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2021, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
He'll have a great game v Liverpool on Friday night and all will be forgotten. Even so, Tyrone's market value is now £30 million +. Who is better out there available that we could replace him with? I think he's as good as if not better than Maguire and we all know what he cost.Precisely this. Except for the Maguire comparison, Mings is considerably better IMO. Given that we won’t buy Van Dijk, who would we buy to replace the current England number one in that position?? That’s fact not sentiment.
FACT!
Not a fact.
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
I think Maguire is a bloody good centre half personally, although I appreciate that's not a popular view these days. Wouldn't have paid £80m mind.
I watched him a few times at Bramall Lane in his League One days and said to everyone he'd play for England. They all laughed at me as he wasn't on everyone else's wavelength.... 👀
Hes out of form. But he's a solid defender.
Post by: Allan C on January 05, 2021, 07:00:41 PM
He’s good but no more than that IMO. Would you swap him for Mings?I think Maguire is a bloody good centre half personally, although I appreciate that's not a popular view these days. Wouldn't have paid £80m mind.
I watched him a few times at Bramall Lane in his League One days and said to everyone he'd play for England. They all laughed at me as he wasn't on everyone else's wavelength.... 👀
Hes out of form. But he's a solid defender.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 08:50:47 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2021, 09:03:43 PM
Yep.
You’d lose your mind if we had Maguire. His penchant for colossal fuck ups makes Mings look like Beckenbauer.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2021, 09:11:39 PM
He is a decent centre half and one of the reasons Yanited are where they are, that and Refs obviously.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2021, 09:20:11 PM
Leicester fans laughed their bollocks off selling Maguire for what they did. I don’t recall Mings making a fraction of the errors Maguire has made. Yes Mings makes errors, and you can certainly make the case he was partly at fault for the Martial goal. But for me he’s better than Maguire and certainly relative to what each is meant to be valued at.
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2021, 11:50:30 PM
There aren't many top centre backs around Europe these days really compared to ten years ago. Likes of Carragher and Ledley King only backup centre backs for England when Terry and Ferdinand were in their pomp. They would walk into the team these days.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 31, 2021, 08:37:12 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 31, 2021, 08:49:06 AM
How long is it since we've had a defensive set up so consistently good?
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2021, 09:01:35 AM
Just saw on Twitter that it’s 2 years today that he signed on loan....he was less than a bit part Prem Lg player 2 years ago, now he is an England player & a proper leader....will more than do for me!
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 31, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2021, 11:22:57 AM
Post by: nigel on January 31, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
The only thing I remember him doing wrong last night was a very weak back pass which we got away with as Ings was offside. That's the kind of thing that let's him down now and again.
Ings was in an offside position, but, surely, he wouldn’t have been classed as offside as it was a back pass?
I remember the back pass, and I agree, it certainly looked slightly under hit, but probably looked worse than it was because Emi seemed to wait. It put a lump in my throat, but Emi was in control
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2021, 12:35:39 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2021, 12:49:02 PM
He's worth at least double what we paid now.
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2021, 02:26:30 PM
The only thing I remember him doing wrong last night was a very weak back pass which we got away with as Ings was offside. That's the kind of thing that let's him down now and again.
Ings was in an offside position, but, surely, he wouldn’t have been classed as offside as it was a back pass?
I remember the back pass, and I agree, it certainly looked slightly under hit, but probably looked worse than it was because Emi seemed to wait. It put a lump in my throat, but Emi was in control
I don't think that was Mings fault and the reaction of Konsa afterwards backs that up, he was pretty clearly telling Martinez he had to be quicker off his line.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 06, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:01:52 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2021, 05:46:13 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Showing good leadership and is clearly very vocal.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2021, 06:28:31 PM
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 06:32:33 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 07:43:14 PM
Agreed but thought he could have closed the first one down faster.
A bit slow to react for the break for the second goal too. Seemed to lose Maddison momentarily
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2021, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 09:30:56 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on February 21, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
Agreed but thought he could have closed the first one down faster.
A bit slow to react for the break for the second goal too. Seemed to lose Maddison momentarily
Emi should have dealt with it better. TM has been great last three games
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 10:08:38 PM
Agreed but thought he could have closed the first one down faster.
A bit slow to react for the break for the second goal too. Seemed to lose Maddison momentarily
Emi should have dealt with it better. TM has been great last three games
Martinez should have saved both, no question. But Mings would take a lot of blame as why the first shot got on goal and a bit of blame for losing Maddison for the second. Terrible goals to concede, Elmo all over the place for both too. Barkley not tracking Maddison's runs.from midfield for both goals (watch it back if you really want to fume)....
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 10:21:03 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 10:28:04 PM
Nah first one is great placement, I don’t think there’s “no doubt” Emi should have saved it.
Great placement but not much power. Got a hand to it so should have kept it out. Piss poor for the second
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2021, 10:56:58 AM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 07:26:28 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 27, 2021, 07:38:16 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 27, 2021, 07:38:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 07:40:44 PM
Thought he had a wobble a few games ago, but recently he has been superb, as has Konsa. Surely this pairing will be playing together for England soon?
No chance. I think Mings will lose out to a starting spot to Stones. Southgate isn’t dropping Maguire. Konsa has a very outside chance of a squad place at best, but if Gomez recovers he gets in. Konsa’s best bet is playing well and getting into Euro qualifying squads.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 27, 2021, 07:42:07 PM
The last few games has fully established himself as a top level centre back. Tonight he was just magnificent. A magnet to the ball.Yes his decision making has recently gone through the roof and when he plays at this level he's absolutely the real deal.
Post by: robleflaneur on February 27, 2021, 07:45:20 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 27, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
Thought he had a wobble a few games ago, but recently he has been superb, as has Konsa. Surely this pairing will be playing together for England soon?
No chance. I think Mings will lose out to a starting spot to Stones. Southgate isn’t dropping Maguire. Konsa has a very outside chance of a squad place at best, but if Gomez recovers he gets in. Konsa’s best bet is playing well and getting into Euro qualifying squads.
They are way better than Stones and Maguire. Maybe they won’t be a pairing at the Euro’s, but if they keep playing like this and keep improving, they must have every chance afterwards. Southgates been at enough of our games recently, even he must see they are really very good.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 27, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 27, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Noticeable that he doesn't dwell on the ball anymore.Sometimes,it's a bit more agricultural,row Z or long punt upfield,but defensively Konsa and him are superb.
Someone has had a word with him clearly. Most of his previous mistakes were of his own making. Mings has been performing strongly for a number of weeks now. Tonight will have been sweet for him up against Bamford who made a mug of him earlier in the season.
Post by: LukeJames on February 27, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Post by: manic-road on February 27, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
The last few games has fully established himself as a top level centre back. Tonight he was just magnificent. A magnet to the ball.
Yes and led the defence superb tonight, never looked threatened. Eight clean sheets away this season already.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2021, 08:07:42 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 27, 2021, 08:16:09 PM
Post by: CT on February 27, 2021, 08:18:54 PM
When there’s danger, he’s just clearing it. Much improved IMO.
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2021, 08:37:40 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on February 27, 2021, 08:41:27 PM
The opposition can’t score if the balls in row z, it’s a cheese cliche but also a fact.
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 27, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 27, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
13 clean sheets out of 24 games this season for a team who used to be as desperate at the back as we were at times last season is just unreal.
Well done big Tyrone (and the rest of the defence!).
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 28, 2021, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 28, 2021, 12:23:28 PM
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
Post by: Moonraker on February 28, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on February 28, 2021, 01:26:51 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on February 28, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
Post by: algy on February 28, 2021, 03:55:08 PM
Along with Konsa he is 2 years in to his deal now. I’d like to be seeing a nee contract signed to protect our investment and keep stability.Yep. Fully expecting Mings & Konsa to be Villa's and England's preferred centre back pairing for several years.
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
And then you've got him in goal.
Post by: AV82EC on February 28, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 06, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
Post by: colin69 on March 06, 2021, 09:04:03 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 07, 2021, 11:59:12 AM
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Post by: aj2k77 on March 07, 2021, 03:11:24 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 07, 2021, 03:15:17 PM
Him and Konsa cost £35m ish. What are they worth now? £100m? upwards? Speculate to accumulate.
Throw Emi, Targett and Cash's fees into the mix and you're still talking only just over the cost of one Harry Maguire...!
Post by: nigel on March 07, 2021, 07:38:52 PM
Excellent player again
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2021, 07:53:07 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 07, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 07, 2021, 10:09:39 PM
Post by: CT Villan on March 07, 2021, 10:27:16 PM
Post by: ktvillan on March 08, 2021, 02:51:05 AM
Post by: jwarry on March 08, 2021, 05:19:18 AM
Post by: AV82EC on March 08, 2021, 07:38:04 AM
Is he injured or not?!!
Not, apparently.
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
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Post by: Rudy65 on March 12, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2021, 11:28:32 PM
Decent form? That's a bit harsh. He might have had a rough time against a donkey tonight but in general he's been superb since New Year.
Ye, he's been great for ages now. He seems to have cut out the stupid blunders, now he he needs to stop getting sucked into battles by less talented players like Maupay and Joelinton. Look at his partner Konsa, who seems to play the game like he's meditating. He just stays relaxed and does what needs to be done.
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2021, 11:53:06 PM
I think he wanted to rough Joelinton up and lost lost first contact. He seemed to have it in his head that he needed to prove something to him and kept trying to physically challenge him.
He didn't have a bad game, but I felt his concentration wasn't quite there. Having a good season though.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2021, 11:55:54 PM
Thought Konsa was superb so of the two he looks more like the England international for the summer.
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 13, 2021, 12:51:56 AM
Post by: knowsleyvillain on March 13, 2021, 01:15:20 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2021, 08:45:45 AM
He had a tough game against a £40m player. That striker may have caused problems but not enough for us to concede. It happens.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 13, 2021, 11:18:52 AM
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2021, 12:30:33 PM
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Mobile and quick on their ways, something block head is not.
Post by: brontebilly on March 13, 2021, 12:44:33 PM
He did his job, can't be to blame for the goal.
He had a tough game against a £40m player. That striker may have caused problems but not enough for us to concede. It happens.
He's one of the worst forwards in the division.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2021, 01:22:36 PM
Surprised me; as Joelinton is a bag of shit - his scoring record is a bad as Davis.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 30, 2021, 07:14:46 PM
However why the heck did he do an awful challenge in a San Marino player for England
Last minute senseless .
I really wonder sometimes why he lapses or goes reckless?
Puzzled.
I had my concerns way back when with his over zealous tackling but he's not really about that sort of thing.
Just wondered why he did that challenge on the San Marino player and stoked if he's to be starting and up against the best striker in the world tomorrow Lewandowski.
Great experience so hope he gets the minutes
Post by: Ads on March 30, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 30, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
I like Mings so much. Find him wonderful . On and off the pitch.
However why the heck did he do an awful challenge in a San Marino player for England
Last minute senseless .
I really wonder sometimes why he lapses or goes reckless?
Puzzled.
I had my concerns way back when with his over zealous tackling but he's not really about that sort of thing.
Just wondered why he did that challenge on the San Marino player and stoked if he's to be starting and up against the best striker in the world tomorrow Lewandowski.
Great experience so hope he gets the minutes
I don’t think any player makes a challenge considering who they may or may not be marking next game.
And Lewandowski isn’t the worlds best striker.
He correctly got booked for the challenge so don’t see your point.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 30, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Decent form? That's a bit harsh. He might have had a rough time against a donkey tonight but in general he's been superb since New Year.
Ye, he's been great for ages now. He seems to have cut out the stupid blunders, now he he needs to stop getting sucked into battles by less talented players like Maupay and Joelinton. Look at his partner Konsa, who seems to play the game like he's meditating. He just stays relaxed and does what needs to be done.
Very true and beautifully described.
Ironically I think their on-field personalities complement each other. A team of Konsa’s would barely break a sweat, whereas you never finish a match with eleven men if they all had Ming’s temperament.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 30, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
All in all, even with the recent stumble in form we should be very encouraged at what we are putting together.
Post by: algy on March 31, 2021, 09:09:19 AM
Kicking people is fun. If I was 6'5", I'd kick at least 9 people a day, regardless of where I was. Getting beat to the printer? Unleash a scissor tackle. Have that Pete from accounts.Ain't that the truth. There wouldn't be a man, woman, nor child standing if I were the size of Tyrone. Thankfully I'm not, since I work in a hospital.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 31, 2021, 09:43:59 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 31, 2021, 10:31:05 AM
Kicking people is fun. If I was 6'5", I'd kick at least 9 people a day, regardless of where I was. Getting beat to the printer? Unleash a scissor tackle. Have that Pete from accounts.agreed; that Pete is a wanker :)
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 11:18:20 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 11:29:29 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 02:16:40 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:25:21 PM
On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.Agreed - I'd like us to get another CB in over the summer; get some real competition for Mings.
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2021, 09:09:03 AM
On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 09:22:08 AM
with Southgate watching, thinking that type of error and you are out of the tournament.On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 12, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
That would also take Stones out of the squad after his cock up in the last set of England games.with Southgate watching, thinking that type of error and you are out of the tournament.On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 10:09:22 AM
Agree, but Stones had not put a foot wrong this season, Mings had gone a couple of months then 2 in 2 weeks.That would also take Stones out of the squad after his cock up in the last set of England games.with Southgate watching, thinking that type of error and you are out of the tournament.On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2021, 10:12:03 AM
Agree, but Stones had not put a foot wrong this season, Mings had gone a couple of months then 2 in 2 weeks.That would also take Stones out of the squad after his cock up in the last set of England games.with Southgate watching, thinking that type of error and you are out of the tournament.On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Stones isn't put under anything like the pressure Mings is when playing at club level.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
we are talking unforced errors here, most of his cock ups are when he has time and space and has lapses of concentration.Agree, but Stones had not put a foot wrong this season, Mings had gone a couple of months then 2 in 2 weeks.That would also take Stones out of the squad after his cock up in the last set of England games.with Southgate watching, thinking that type of error and you are out of the tournament.On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Stones isn't put under anything like the pressure Mings is when playing at club level.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
the error against Fulham and the one Mings got away with on the weekend were both unforced - it's almost like Mings has too much time on his hands to consider what to do - he seems better at impulsive defending.
His horrible lack of balance on his right side tends to be the problem for most of his unforced errors. Tries to overplay on his left side to compensate and makes mistakes as a result.
He has certainly got better in the air this year but he seemed to be beaten by Jota at that set piece at the weekend. Bit of a sitter missed there, free header 5 yards out.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2021, 12:21:35 AM
On one to one's with Wijnaldum, his instict was to rely on his physical prowess and he manhandled him quite a bit. Klopp was in the ref's ear about it one occasion. For all his attributes, I'm still unconvinced by him. I think Konsa looks a lot more of a top-six centre back than Mings.
His overall game is easily good enough for a top 6 club, it's just the mistakes that mark him down. Two really bad, sloppy bits of play two games one running, with one leading to a goal and one nearly doing so. To be fair, it's been ages since he's done that, but it shows it's always there in him. You just don't get that with Konsa.
Unfortunately those ricks are so common that they are part of his overall game. It's only a few games ago that the might of Joelinton made a complete mug of him for example. Mings has certainly improved from last season, admittedly a very low bar, but he'd be a liability in knock out international football. Can get rattled very easily and makes the kinds of unforced errors that kill teams. Agreed on Konsa, he's a much classier player.
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2021, 09:10:15 AM
... He has certainly got better in the air this year but he seemed to be beaten by Jota at that set piece at the weekend...I made a point on another thread that we lack really top-notch heading defensiveness (Burnley away and Wet Spam away being 2 examples that spring to mind). I'd like to see someone come in that could potentially offer that, have the development value that Konsa has and offers a genuine alternative to Mings. It would also offer more flexibility of set-up (if, for example, we wanted to go for a back 3 - as several other top-10 teams do more or less).
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
Post by: caster troy on April 13, 2021, 09:25:11 AM
... He has certainly got better in the air this year but he seemed to be beaten by Jota at that set piece at the weekend...I made a point on another thread that we lack really top-notch heading defensiveness (Burnley away and Wet Spam away being 2 examples that spring to mind). I'd like to see someone come in that could potentially offer that, have the development value that Konsa has and offers a genuine alternative to Mings. It would also offer more flexibility of set-up (if, for example, we wanted to go for a back 3 - as several other top-10 teams do more or less).
I sometimes think we miss having a striker who is really good in the air in these situations. Remember how many times Carew, Benteke, even Tammy last season would clear corners and free kicks for us.
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Which hopefully puts it in perspective. We're talking margins, which is similar to a lot of our players. The very best players make fewer but Mings, alongside the rest of the defence are pretty damn good generally.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 13, 2021, 09:49:36 AM
Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2021, 10:22:45 AM
I'd say Hause is right up there in terms of top notch heading defensiveness.
Agreed, he is brilliant in the air. Surprised a decent championship team hasn't come in for him yet, seems to be injured a bit though.
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 10:44:10 AM
I'd say Hause is right up there in terms of top notch heading defensiveness.
Agreed, he is brilliant in the air. Surprised a decent championship team hasn't come in for him yet, seems to be injured a bit though.
I doubt we'd entertain it, he's a perfectly adequate back up because he's bloody good at his primary role.
Post by: bilsim on April 16, 2021, 05:57:20 PM
Goes without saying that there is no place for it in society and I am massively thankful to have an ambassador like him represent the club and the game in general with his fabulously measured and articulate manner.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1383076029514838019?s=21
Club response
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1383099284430667782?s=21
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2021, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: CT on April 16, 2021, 06:45:26 PM
No doubt little will happen to the vermin who sent him that message.
He needs locking up for a couple of years, so we’ll see how big and brave he is without a keyboard.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2021, 06:50:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2021, 07:04:23 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on April 16, 2021, 07:37:31 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 16, 2021, 07:55:22 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 16, 2021, 08:08:26 PM
Post by: colin69 on April 16, 2021, 08:45:08 PM
We can criticise his play (and I have), but he's a giant of a character.
Absolutely this. He makes errors now and again but I’m delighted we have him. I honestly don’t know what goes through the heads of some of these imbeciles. I’m glad I’m in my fifties and never used social media, only the odd forum such as this, but as others have said the younger generation have grown up with it and shouldn’t have to put up with such disgusting comments. Unfortunately I don’t see it ending any time soon.
Post by: exigo on April 16, 2021, 10:22:18 PM
Three players put themselves forward. Tyrone was one of them. Did it with empathy and authority.
I could not have been prouder to see a Villa player involved. The film will be out in the next couple of months.
Post by: andyh on April 16, 2021, 11:08:33 PM
We can criticise his play (and I have), but he's a giant of a character.This has nothing to do with football and everything to do with vermin ****** who are just ******.
Post by: olaftab on April 16, 2021, 11:15:54 PM
I really can't say too much about this, but while the England players were in camp a couple of weeks ago, they were asked to do media duties around a really difficult, important subject. I was involved with the project.Pleased to hear that exigo and thanks for sharing.
Three players put themselves forward. Tyrone was one of them. Did it with empathy and authority.
I could not have been prouder to see a Villa player involved. The film will be out in the next couple of months.
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2021, 11:38:01 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 17, 2021, 12:00:08 AM
Hate the pond life abusing him.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 17, 2021, 12:02:07 AM
Let's hope that the person involved is rooted out.
Always so many words of condemnation but very little action against the perpetrators.
Post by: Villa Lew on April 17, 2021, 10:14:36 AM
How much longer have we got to put up with this crap, it's 2021 for god's sake.
Post by: manic-road on April 17, 2021, 11:34:59 AM
Love the man he's a credit to Villa and also football, always speaks brilliantly.
How much longer have we got to put up with this crap, it's 2021 for god's sake.
This.
Post by: algy on April 17, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
I really can't say too much about this, but while the England players were in camp a couple of weeks ago, they were asked to do media duties around a really difficult, important subject. I was involved with the project.Wonderful to hear. Tyrone comes across as a really sound bloke, we're lucky to have him & players like him at the club.
Three players put themselves forward. Tyrone was one of them. Did it with empathy and authority.
I could not have been prouder to see a Villa player involved. The film will be out in the next couple of months.
Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2021, 05:37:23 PM
Love the man he's a credit to Villa and also football, always speaks brilliantly.
How much longer have we got to put up with this crap, it's 2021 for god's sake.
This is why taking a knee before games is still valuable, stuff like this is always there just below the surface.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 18, 2021, 12:00:41 AM
There are obviously lots of individual cowards posting this stuff on social media and it’s also not in the interests of the social media companies to deal with effectively as it would mean creating restrictive measures that goes against everything they want, constant engagement and interaction no matter what the content.
I came off Facebook a few years ago, partly because of a never ending argument I was having with someone I went to primary school with who I hadn’t seen for 30 odd years. The arguments were around me challenging his constant subtle and more overt racism. It was never ending and I realised I was feeding the vitriol and decided for that and other reasons to call it a day.
However, the answer isn’t black players stopping using social media. There has to be a proper analysis of this. Some of these individuals will be at the very least influenced by more coordinated far right groups, if not more actively engaged. I’m not playing at conspiracy theories here, but this is now happening with such regularity, there feels a degree of coordination going on.
Post by: Rory on April 18, 2021, 12:09:55 AM
I like to think Ty feels well-supported with us and as long as we stand with him against these scumbags, he can brush it off. Because he's a great bloke and a superb ambassador for the club, and he shouldn't have to worry about this kind of shit.
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 19, 2021, 08:53:45 AM
My brother works at VP and says Ty (as he calls him) is a lovely bloke. Obviously that isn't the point with this kind of nonsense.
I like to think Ty feels well-supported with us and as long as we stand with him against these scumbags, he can brush it off. Because he's a great bloke and a superb ambassador for the club, and he shouldn't have to worry about this kind of shit.
I'm sorry Rory but this needs nipping in the bud with some urgency.
Post by: Rory on April 19, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
My brother works at VP and says Ty (as he calls him) is a lovely bloke. Obviously that isn't the point with this kind of nonsense.
I like to think Ty feels well-supported with us and as long as we stand with him against these scumbags, he can brush it off. Because he's a great bloke and a superb ambassador for the club, and he shouldn't have to worry about this kind of shit.
I'm sorry Rory but this needs nipping in the bud with some urgency.
That's what he asked my brother to call him. But you're quite right, I'll stick to 'Mr Mings' in future.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2021, 10:12:57 AM
Love the man he's a credit to Villa and also football, always speaks brilliantly.
How much longer have we got to put up with this crap, it's 2021 for god's sake.
This is why taking a knee before games is still valuable, stuff like this is always there just below the surface.
If the issue of online abuse is to be tackled then further action is required. Footballers and other high profile sports stars could be a powerful lobbying group if they join together and put pressure on some of these social media companies that profit from their presence on their platforms.
Post by: darren woolley on April 20, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
Quote
A great win to finish 💜 ... was brilliant to have our family and the fans back at VP. To anyone that booed us taking the knee, have a look at yourself and ask if you truly support equality and equal opportunity for the black players on the pitch. It’s tiring. Educate yourself.
Well said Tyrone. We don’t need those “fans” associated with the club. It was so massively disappointing to hear those boos.
And he was superb today also.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2021, 07:57:50 PM
Tyrone Mings on TwitterQuoteA great win to finish 💜 ... was brilliant to have our family and the fans back at VP. To anyone that booed us taking the knee, have a look at yourself and ask if you truly support equality and equal opportunity for the black players on the pitch. It’s tiring. Educate yourself.
Well said Tyrone. We don’t need those “fans” associated with the club. It was so massively disappointing to hear those boos.
And he was superb today also.
It's so fucking exasperating. I agree with the likes of Zaha that it has lost it's meaning but booing? And I doubt that's why they're booing because well... why would you?
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2021, 08:04:12 PM
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 23, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2021, 08:33:05 PM
He was indeed superb today, and has got better as the season has gone on, I think.
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
It’s quite simple. As a wise man once said to me “if you want to know someone’s true feelings about racism, watch how they react to anti-racism”.
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 23, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
I will go one stage further and ask the Supporters Trust to make a statement about this.
My personal view. The majority of us there today were applauding the gesture. And clapped louder to drown out the booing. As Stan Collymore has just tweeted. I think they know where to stick their copies of the Sun.
Post by: Monty on May 23, 2021, 08:43:37 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 23, 2021, 08:45:22 PM
Mings deserves the thread bump too. He received some largely criticism in the first half or the season but has been imperious over the second half of the season to answer any critics. Quick, brave, decent on the ball and a genuine leader. He's perfect for us and we're perfect for him. He must be relieved to get through 2 full seasons without injury issues as well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 08:47:49 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2021, 08:48:39 PM
He was indeed superb today, and has got better as the season has gone on, I think.
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
It’s quite simple. As a wise man once said to me “if you want to know someone’s true feelings about racism, watch how they react to anti-racism”.
Was that me?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2021, 09:43:20 PM
He was indeed superb today, and has got better as the season has gone on, I think.
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
It’s quite simple. As a wise man once said to me “if you want to know someone’s true feelings about racism, watch how they react to anti-racism”.
Was that me?
Yes.
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2021, 09:57:04 PM
Post by: Gareth on May 23, 2021, 10:06:02 PM
He was indeed superb today, and has got better as the season has gone on, I think.
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
It’s quite simple. As a wise man once said to me “if you want to know someone’s true feelings about racism, watch how they react to anti-racism”.
100% spot on
Anyone booing is an utter moron. Presumably they kept up their racist narrative by refusing to cheer Traore & El Ghazi scoring our goals...thickest of the thick
Post by: spartacuss on May 23, 2021, 10:06:52 PM
The 'dog-whistle' messages and more overt hostility to BLM in the right-wing media is an example of the classic '3D' strategy: Distract, Divert and Divide those people who have a broad, common interest in obtaining justice, fairness and freedom from exploitation.
Fascism/Authoritarianism/Stalinism and their miserable cousins: Racism, Anti-Semitism, Xenophobia, Misogyny etc guarantees their mass followers that they will be eating the shit-sandwich of life. It also screws up your sex-life and sense of general well-being as Wilhelm Reich in his book "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" shows! (An imperfect book, but the central idea holds true...)
And for the record, if my black relatives and friends give me grief - joshing or serious - I tell it like it is and give it back to them, but not based on which of the '50 Shades of Melanin' they or I possess!
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Tyrone Mings on TwitterQuoteA great win to finish 💜 ... was brilliant to have our family and the fans back at VP. To anyone that booed us taking the knee, have a look at yourself and ask if you truly support equality and equal opportunity for the black players on the pitch. It’s tiring. Educate yourself.
Well said Tyrone. We don’t need those “fans” associated with the club. It was so massively disappointing to hear those boos.
And he was superb today also.
I can sort of get the argument that taking the knee has run its course and is tokenism at this stage.
When you have people like Zaha saying he won't take the knee for that very reason. But his point is on its own its not enough - without significant sanctions for online abuse, abuse in grounds and more education on the subject.
To actually boo it shows a tiny, tiny mind.
That sort of cretinous pondlife are better off at a rally with Stephen Yaxley Lennon and the EDL/ Britain First/ I Can't Believe It's Not Britain or whatever they're calling themselves now.
Don't attach our name to that shite.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 02:07:31 PM
To echo others, fair enough if you don't agree with the impact of taking a knee, but booing it just shows that you're racist. I hope they carry on doing it for as long as people are discriminated against or abused because of their heritage or colour of their skin. Unfortunately I think that means it will have to stay for a long time.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2021, 06:09:32 PM
Post by: Ian. on May 24, 2021, 06:25:42 PM
Absolutely spot on Percy.He was indeed superb today, and has got better as the season has gone on, I think.
As for the booing of the taking of the knee, wtf was that about? Watching on live tv at the time, I was hoping there was maybe a delay in the sound as against pictures, and that the booing was of Chelsea kicking off, not the players taking the knee. But it seems not. Even if you're not positively in support of the act of taking the knee, for whatever reason that might be, what might be the thought process behind actually booing it, when the players are in the act of doing it (bearing in mind amongst other things that about half of the players taking the knee (today) were themselves black)?
It’s quite simple. As a wise man once said to me “if you want to know someone’s true feelings about racism, watch how they react to anti-racism”.
100% spot on
Anyone booing is an utter moron. Presumably they kept up their racist narrative by refusing to cheer Traore & El Ghazi scoring our goals...thickest of the thick
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 24, 2021, 07:28:33 PM
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Post by: andyh on May 24, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
Those that boo the taking a knee would stop if the tv camera panned to them live.I don’t think so. Racist ****** aren’t so shy anymore.
Post by: dave shelley on May 24, 2021, 09:20:39 PM
Good man Tyrone, a shining example.
Post by: Ian. on May 24, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 28, 2021, 09:38:50 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nigel5626/status/1133389941692612608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1133389941692612608%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-690446717429298345.ampproject.net%2F2105150310000%2Fframe.html
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on May 29, 2021, 12:58:51 AM
Those that boo the taking a knee would stop if the tv camera panned to them live.They would also stop if 6’5” Tyrone Mings was standing right in front of them. Very brave at a distance.
Post by: darren woolley on June 02, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2021, 10:40:11 PM
I mean just why does he have this in him? He would be great if he just didn't do rash stupid shit like this but it's absolutely in him so in turn you simply can't fully trust him. He really baffles me sometimes.
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2021, 11:14:59 PM
Post by: KevinGage on June 02, 2021, 11:18:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MJSowerby/status/1400167677235245057?s=19
I mean just why does he have this in him? He would be great if he just didn't do rash stupid shit like this but it's absolutely in him so in turn you simply can't fully trust him. He really baffles me sometimes.
Eyeing up a switch in code to Gaelic football it seems.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 03, 2021, 10:11:32 AM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I like him aswell, but he does have that moment in him. I thought he was very good last night.
Post by: German James on June 03, 2021, 10:13:35 AM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I have absolutely no "hate" for Mings and I agree with your analysis of him but... It would be wrong to deny that he is liable to make a stupid mistake every so often. That's not being over critical, it's just a fact! These mistakes are all the more noticable because the rest of his play is so good.
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2021, 10:35:09 AM
But to counter that, his leadership, organisation, willingness to do the dirty work (blocks, last-ditch tackles etc.) is exemplary. A curate's egg of a player.
On balance, you'd rather have him than not.
Think Konsa's class will usurp him before too long (though you can have both, of course).
Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2021, 10:43:43 AM
That player had made a back for him earlier. So Mings got his retribution in there. A sending off all day long.
Had a feeling there might have been previous between the players. It was the same with Zaha earlier in the season (when he was caught) and even DCL at Villa Park (where he got away with it). For a guy built like a brick shithouse he tends to take it as a personal affront when a forward takes him on physically. It was the same with Joelinton at Newcastle. When he gets distracted like that he's a liability.
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2021, 11:00:53 AM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I have absolutely no "hate" for Mings and I agree with your analysis of him but... It would be wrong to deny that he is liable to make a stupid mistake every so often. That's not being over critical, it's just a fact! These mistakes are all the more noticable because the rest of his play is so good.
There's a lot of hate towards him outside our confines for sure, I think it may have something to do with him being forthright about racism, but even with that the bellend writing the Guardian match report gave him a 5, which was bollocks, he was England's best defender by far.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 03, 2021, 12:05:50 PM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.
Tyrone is one of those players that only really gets loved by the club he is playing for. See Savage and the like. A lot of other clubs' fans don't rate him as much as we do and also think he has a tendency to be a thug - especially following the Oliveira incident a couple of seasons ago.
Post by: dave shelley on June 03, 2021, 01:04:11 PM
a) He doesn't play for their team.
b) He had the temerity to stand up to Zlatan Ibrahamovic.
c) The perceived 'wiping his feet' on that player whose name I can't remember which caused such consternation.
Given his penchant for error and the odd but of nonsense, I know who I would sooner see playing in that position for us, when you see his previous incumbents. James Chester notwithstanding.
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on June 03, 2021, 01:51:41 PM
And as soon as he was subbed,the defence began to fall apart.It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I have absolutely no "hate" for Mings and I agree with your analysis of him but... It would be wrong to deny that he is liable to make a stupid mistake every so often. That's not being over critical, it's just a fact! These mistakes are all the more noticable because the rest of his play is so good.
There's a lot of hate towards him outside our confines for sure, I think it may have something to do with him being forthright about racism, but even with that the bellend writing the Guardian match report gave him a 5, which was bollocks, he was England's best defender by far.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2021, 02:50:06 PM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why
He’s quite outspoken on racism. That’s enough in Brexit Britain I’m afraid.
Anti-racism booed last night. Robinson heartily applauded at the cricket today. Murdered boy in Kingstanding racially abused.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 03, 2021, 03:07:23 PM
One thing for certain, the defence was completely at sixes and sevens once he went off. There was nobody taking charge and bellowing to the other players.
Sam Shutyourface on commentary was pissed off with Mings going off as he then had to find someone else to unfairly criticise.
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
Post by: Mister E on June 03, 2021, 05:25:57 PM
Zaha and Joelinton certainly rattled him, big style: the former by being a total arse; the latter by being unduly big and strong!That player had made a back for him earlier. So Mings got his retribution in there. A sending off all day long.Had a feeling there might have been previous between the players. It was the same with Zaha earlier in the season (when he was caught) and even DCL at Villa Park (where he got away with it). For a guy built like a brick shithouse he tends to take it as a personal affront when a forward takes him on physically. It was the same with Joelinton at Newcastle. When he gets distracted like that he's a liability.
Weird: let's hope our coaches can help him out during the close season.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 03, 2021, 06:59:04 PM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I have absolutely no "hate" for Mings and I agree with your analysis of him but... It would be wrong to deny that he is liable to make a stupid mistake every so often. That's not being over critical, it's just a fact! These mistakes are all the more noticable because the rest of his play is so good.
There's a lot of hate towards him outside our confines for sure, I think it may have something to do with him being forthright about racism, but even with that the bellend writing the Guardian match report gave him a 5, which was bollocks, he was England's best defender by far.
I agree. I think it's because he calls racism out. He's been outspoken about it and has said people should educate themselves.
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
It was a moment of madness for sure, I think it will concern Southgate. But he's not playing anywhere near as badly as people are making out. He made a superb block in the second half that's not getting mentioned. There's a lot of hate out there for Mings and I'm not sure why, he's a good, dominant defender, strong as an ox, brave as a lion and an absolutely top bloke.I have absolutely no "hate" for Mings and I agree with your analysis of him but... It would be wrong to deny that he is liable to make a stupid mistake every so often. That's not being over critical, it's just a fact! These mistakes are all the more noticable because the rest of his play is so good.
There's a lot of hate towards him outside our confines for sure, I think it may have something to do with him being forthright about racism, but even with that the bellend writing the Guardian match report gave him a 5, which was bollocks, he was England's best defender by far.
I agree. I think it's because he calls racism out. He's been outspoken about it and has said people should educate themselves.
I think there's a definitely an element of that, I think anyone watching the game could tell you that taking him and rice off made our defence significantly weaker so anyone claiming he was poor is basing it on something other than the match itself.
Post by: nigel on June 03, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
Wonder if the Austrian said something that he took a dislike to and he snapped?
One thing for certain, the defence was completely at sixes and sevens once he went off. There was nobody taking charge and bellowing to the other players.
Sam Shutyourface on commentary was pissed off with Mings going off as he then had to find someone else to unfairly criticise.
I think he tried to ‘do’ Ty earlier in the game.
He actually watched Mings come in for a header, but instead of challenging he went in underneath. Similar to rugby’s taking a player out in the air
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 03, 2021, 07:50:19 PM
Wonder if the Austrian said something that he took a dislike to and he snapped?
One thing for certain, the defence was completely at sixes and sevens once he went off. There was nobody taking charge and bellowing to the other players.
Sam Shutyourface on commentary was pissed off with Mings going off as he then had to find someone else to unfairly criticise.
I think he tried to ‘do’ Ty earlier in the game.
He actually watched Mings come in for a header, but instead of challenging he went in underneath. Similar to rugby’s taking a player out in the air
Or Harry "fuckin 'ell, ref" Kane. Mings had been in a battle all game with that big lump.
Post by: exigo on June 10, 2021, 10:58:05 PM
BBC iPlayer – We Are England (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000wzfr/krept-and-konan-we-are-england)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
Post by: aev on June 15, 2021, 04:16:55 PM
I'll just say this about Tyrone Mings. Everyone is allowed an opinion on him as a player and as a man. But in my opinion, aside from being a a very good player, is that he really is a massive credit firstly to himself and his family but to Aston Villa and society in general with some of the positions he takes and has taken. I've read snippets of it today but his comments from today's press conference are just very mature, resolute and frankly inspiring. His life experiences have shaped the person he has become and allows to have such a broad perspective of not just the game but of his role outside of it. We are very lucky to have him at our club.
+1.
Post by: TheMalandro on June 15, 2021, 04:20:43 PM
I'll just say this about Tyrone Mings. Everyone is allowed an opinion on him as a player and as a man. But in my opinion, aside from being a a very good player, is that he really is a massive credit firstly to himself and his family but to Aston Villa and society in general with some of the positions he takes and has taken. I've read snippets of it today but his comments from today's press conference are just very mature, resolute and frankly inspiring. His life experiences have shaped the person he has become and allows to have such a broad perspective of not just the game but of his role outside of it. We are very lucky to have him at our club.
Well said.
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 04:23:27 PM
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 04:31:33 PM
It was great to see that Tyrone is also brave enough to call out the Home Secretary. He could easily have dodged the question but he stood his ground and made his point.
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 04:46:55 PM
Great post TV and completely agree.
It was great to see that Tyrone is also brave enough to call out the Home Secretary. He could easily have dodged the question but he stood his ground and made his point.
That last bit stood out to me most as well Andy. He didn’t just toe the line or feel any sense of privilege in speaking to a senior member of government. And it really did highlight the position of the government which in large part empowers all those individuals who take a contrary position on the symbolism of the knee, but also the wider issue of systemic racism.
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2021, 04:55:08 PM
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Post by: Villan For Life on June 15, 2021, 06:38:53 PM
He was fantastic when he joined on loan; that picture of him arriving back at Bournemouth station on the Monday after the play off final still in his Villa kit is one of my favourite Villa pictures ever. Since he joined us permanently he’s grown as a player and as a leader.
Of the pitch he’s a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for his generation. I really admire him.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 06:59:55 PM
I really like him and I think the leadership he brings to us is massively undervalued by some fans. Watching his post match interview and the stuff today, alongside numerous other things in the last few years I suspect he'll have a fantastic management career when he stops playing (either as a manager or as a head of youth development). I get the impression that he's the sort of person who gets the best out people around him.
I think he's said that he hopes to be higher up the food chain than coach or youth development.
I also echo TV's thoughts.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 07:34:20 PM
I really like him and I think the leadership he brings to us is massively undervalued by some fans. Watching his post match interview and the stuff today, alongside numerous other things in the last few years I suspect he'll have a fantastic management career when he stops playing (either as a manager or as a head of youth development). I get the impression that he's the sort of person who gets the best out people around him.
I think he's said that he hopes to be higher up the food chain than coach or youth development.
I also echo TV's thoughts.
I hope so, he clearly knows his own mind and has worked to get where he is, both things that will work well for him as a manager.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 07:57:37 PM
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Yes, can you do a different peaceful anti-racism protest please Ty. This one upsets some idiots.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 08:13:10 PM
Quite so. I don't think Kick It Out has been roundly booed recently has it?I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Yes, can you do a different peaceful anti-racism protest please Ty. This way upsets some idiots.
Post by: malckennedy on June 15, 2021, 08:29:55 PM
Quite so. I don't think Kick It Out has been roundly booed recently has it?I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Yes, can you do a different peaceful anti-racism protest please Ty. This way upsets some idiots.
When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 08:39:34 PM
When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).That's fair comment. I only comment (esp on this thread) because I don't think it's a few prats booing and I don't think they're booing because they're racists.
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 08:41:50 PM
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 08:44:56 PM
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.
It's only divisive because a bunch of brain-donors are booing it. If they just shrugged and rolled their eyes, it's no longer divisive.
If a bunch of people decided they were going to boo the fourth official announcing the amount of injury time for a load of incoherent reasons, it wouldn't make the concept of injury time divisive.
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2021, 08:46:04 PM
Instead of booing why can’t you just respect the gesture quietly?When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).That's fair comment. I only comment (esp on this thread) because I don't think it's a few prats booing and I don't think they're booing because they're racists.
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 08:46:57 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
Oh, that's easy. They're not. They've specifically said they are not. Many times.
No reason to boo now, is there?
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 08:51:47 PM
Blimey…. That’s only missing the ‘M’ wordIt is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 08:54:50 PM
What's the 'M' word? Which bit of the political BLM groups manifesto did I get wrong?Blimey…. That’s only missing the ‘M’ wordIt is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
We can say it's not associated until we're blue in the face but a significant number of the paying public are not going to buy it.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's fine. I guess you're OK with holding your arm in the air for better railways right?It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
Oh, that's easy. They're not. They've specifically said they are not. Many times.
No reason to boo now, is there?
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 08:57:12 PM
That's fine. I guess you're OK with holding your arm in the air for better railways right?It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
Oh, that's easy. They're not. They've specifically said they are not. Many times.
No reason to boo now, is there?
Why would I want to do that?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 08:58:15 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
The taking of the knee is about support for equality for BAME people. Not a wider political movement.
But one of the common concerns that’s mentioned is defunding of the police. Chrisf do you understand what this means? I just want to make sure because it’s not about abolishing the police. It’s something quite different. But the true meaning isn’t commonly looked up or understood.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 08:58:38 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
My god will you shut up, fucking snowflake.
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 08:59:32 PM
Fucking hell. Does he know ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 08:59:41 PM
When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).That's fair comment. I only comment (esp on this thread) because I don't think it's a few prats booing and I don't think they're booing because they're racists.
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.
That's nonsense. It's a divisive topic if that's how you want to portray it in your own mind. And I'm sorry, but you can't have a huge respect for Tyrone Mings if you boo him for taking the knee, because to him it is much more than a symbolic gesture. It is merely the tip of the iceberg of what he is trying to highlight. The fact that the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities published a report that essentially denied the existence of systemic racism in the UK is all proof and reason that is needed for protests; symbolic or more tangible to continue.
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 08:59:48 PM
We can say it's not associated until we're blue in the face but a significant number of the paying public are not going to buy it.
Those people probably shouldn't cause division by accusing the people they've paid to watch play football, of lying about their nefarious political aims.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:01:59 PM
Why would I want to do that?It's not the best analogy ever but just saying 'Taking The Knee' has nothing to do with 'Black Lives Matter' is hoping to scrub an association that isn't going to scrub.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 09:03:44 PM
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:07:02 PM
Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:09:24 PM
My god will you shut up, fucking snowflake.No. Ban me.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 09:10:16 PM
Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Defund the police doesn't mean removing police budgets. It never has. It has been about appropriate police force funding so they don't turn out like military combat units and instead have budget that better allows for a balanced approach to community policing vs crime fighting.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:11:47 PM
That's super Toronto. Good work and so incisive. We're safe in your hands.Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Defund the police doesn't mean removing police budgets. It never has. It has been about appropriate police force funding so they don't turn out like military combat units and instead have budget that better allows for a balanced approach to community policing vs crime fighting.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
My god will you shut up, fucking snowflake.
That's unaceptable.
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
Why would I want to do that?It's not the best analogy ever but just saying 'Taking The Knee' has nothing to do with 'Black Lives Matter' is hoping to scrub an association that isn't going to scrub.
A far better analogy if you want to go down that particular route, is whether these guys should be forced to change what they're doing because there are some people out there without the mental agility to disassociate a symbol with a group that chose to adopt it?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2021, 09:13:15 PM
That's super Toronto. Good work and so incisive. We're safe in your hands.Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Defund the police doesn't mean removing police budgets. It never has. It has been about appropriate police force funding so they don't turn out like military combat units and instead have budget that better allows for a balanced approach to community policing vs crime fighting.
And you may as well leave it there.
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 09:13:55 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:14:43 PM
Who's in charge of taking the knee to support BLM? Have they released a Manifesto? If every player supports it, and you're so vehemently against it, do you want rid of all the players from the club?I don't know which is why I post that I think Tyrone is on to a loser by being stubborn over it.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 09:14:55 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
My god will you shut up, fucking snowflake.
That's unaceptable.
I apologise to you and the rest of the forum but not to a racist troll who's clearly on here to shit stir.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 09:16:28 PM
Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Let me help.
‘Defunding the police’ is a term commonly used by American BLM protests. People who call for it support divesting funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources. To me this seems sensible in both the US and UK. But this isn’t about my opinion really, just trying to update you.
It’s not linked with the taking of the knee in English football. You can find out more about that from Tyrone here https://youtu.be/bVvlL3l5yrQ. If anything isn’t clear in this video give me a shout and I’ll do my best to help clear that up too. 👍
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
It is divisive, yes. Those booing are twats, those who don't boo aren't. If you boo it you're dragging our club's reputation through the mud. Just sit and be respectful of antiracism for two seconds, it isn't difficult.Seems I need to work harder in my Struggle Sessions. I'm very sorry for not complying more completely comrade.
And you literally can't "have huge respect for Tyrone" if you boo.
Alternatively, you could provide argument as to why I should applaud a representative of the club that my family has supported for over a hundred years making political representation for a group that wants to defund the police and destroy the nuclear family quite apart from their clearly and stated racism?
My god will you shut up, fucking snowflake.
That's unaceptable.
I apologise to you and the rest of the forum but not to a racist troll who's clearly on here to shit stir.
Final warning. Abusing other posters isn't on.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Don’t feed the racist trollDo you want to put that in a
That's super Toronto. Good work and so incisive. We're safe in your hands.Chrisf let me know if you understand the point I asked about. I’m sure there’s a few of us happy to explain if there’s any uncertainty.Very cool. I'm very happy to hear what defunding the police means here and now. This should be useful guys. Though it's definitely not related to taking the knee or any of that other completely apolitical stuff.
Defund the police doesn't mean removing police budgets. It never has. It has been about appropriate police force funding so they don't turn out like military combat units and instead have budget that better allows for a balanced approach to community policing vs crime fighting.
And you may as well leave it there.
Thanks Dave. I will.
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 09:18:17 PM
Yes. He’s being one of those uppity ones isn’t he.Who's in charge of taking the knee to support BLM? Have they released a Manifesto? If every player supports it, and you're so vehemently against it, do you want rid of all the players from the club?I don't know which is why I post that I think Tyrone is on to a loser by being stubborn over it.
He should know his place in world and accept eh ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 09:19:20 PM
Yes. He’s being one of those uppity ones isn’t he.Who's in charge of taking the knee to support BLM? Have they released a Manifesto? If every player supports it, and you're so vehemently against it, do you want rid of all the players from the club?I don't know which is why I post that I think Tyrone is on to a loser by being stubborn over it.
He should know his place in world and accept eh ?
It would be better if racists stopped being so stubborn about being racist
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 09:55:32 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 10:07:22 PM
Those "stubborn" Black people, eh? When are they ever happy? They'll be wanting not to be treated differently because of the colour of their skin, next.You guys are deranged. Suggesting that a black man is being stubborn makes me racist. Really? You're utterly deranged.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2021, 10:11:49 PM
Those "stubborn" Black people, eh? When are they ever happy? They'll be wanting not to be treated differently because of the colour of their skin, next.You guys are deranged. Suggesting that a black man is being stubborn makes me racist. Really? You're utterly deranged.
And you've been warned for the final time.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 15, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 10:38:05 PM
If you want to boo it then I assume you also boo poppies on shirts and flag waving (at football) because they are all politic statements and can both be linked to specific sections of society using them as part of a specific political agenda.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 10:38:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 10:41:49 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 10:44:03 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 link=topic =59380.msg3983357#msg3983357 date=1623793128
Chrisf - what does the ‘f’ stand for?It's my surname. Same as my dad and his dad and his dad who used to have Pongo Waring round for tea on a Sunday.
Fryer
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 10:45:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 10:48:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2021, 10:49:29 PM
Also what does the ‘C’ stand for?
Given his location I'd guess Cantabrigian.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 10:50:12 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 10:55:06 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:13:09 PM
The last three pages have been a depressing read. Tl;dr, a white man knows more about racism than a cultured, educated, sensitive mixed race man who has overcome hardship, racism and poverty to take a stand against racism. It's a great look for us as a fanbase.Just copying my original message for context.
I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:14:49 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 11:15:42 PM
I hope the knee taking keeps going, it's working. Like that stuff they put in the swimming pools to show who's been pissing.
About right.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:17:41 PM
The last three pages have been a depressing read. Tl;dr, a white man knows more about racism than a cultured, educated, sensitive mixed race man who has overcome hardship, racism and poverty to take a stand against racism. It's a great look for us as a fanbase.Just copying my original message for context.
I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth about this, but I'd check what the Met have been up to over the last 40 years before you start clutching your pearls in defending them.
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2021, 11:18:20 PM
The last three pages have been a depressing read. Tl;dr, a white man knows more about racism than a cultured, educated, sensitive mixed race man who has overcome hardship, racism and poverty to take a stand against racism. It's a great look for us as a fanbase.Just copying my original message for context.
I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Why not? What's wrong with it? Ignore the BLM and listen to what has been said by the England camp. What is so hard to understand and also why is so hard for you to disrespect the message?
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:21:12 PM
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:24:18 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 15, 2021, 11:24:20 PM
I think there is a small minority of those booing - those who are genuinely ill-informed or radicalised by certain sections of the media - who genuinely think Marcus Rashford is about to seize the means of production, but the rest of them just see it as 'woke', which they hate, and so it doesn't matter what the gesture is, because whatever it is, it will always be 'woke' to them. The knee, a raised fist, linked arms, a handstand - it doesn't matter. To them it will just be 'woke nonsense' and they won't like it.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:24:56 PM
If people are booing the knee because they are against a political ideology that literally NO ONE on the pitch is advocating for, then I think it's safe to say there is literally no gesture against racism, whatever it may be, will be acceptable to the booers.
I think there is a small minority of those booing - those who are genuinely ill-informed or radicalised by certain sections of the media - who genuinely think Marcus Rashford is about to seize the means of production, but the rest of them just see it as 'woke', which they hate, and so it doesn't matter what the gesture is, because whatever it is, it will always be 'woke' to them. The knee, a raised fist, linked arms, a handstand - it doesn't matter. To them it will just be 'woke nonsense' and they won't like it.
This.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:26:29 PM
Yep, Tyrone Mings and Raheem Sterling, because they dislike being racially abused on Twitter, are clearly calling for neo-Liberianism to be taught in every school. Of course.I'd imagine that would be really irritating. But I'm guessing I'd cope?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 15, 2021, 11:26:55 PM
If people are booing the knee because they are against a political ideology that literally NO ONE on the pitch is advocating for, then I think it's safe to say there is literally no gesture against racism, whatever it may be, will be acceptable to the booers.
I think there is a small minority of those booing - those who are genuinely ill-informed or radicalised by certain sections of the media - who genuinely think Marcus Rashford is about to seize the means of production, but the rest of them just see it as 'woke', which they hate, and so it doesn't matter what the gesture is, because whatever it is, it will always be 'woke' to them. The knee, a raised fist, linked arms, a handstand - it doesn't matter. To them it will just be 'woke nonsense' and they won't like it.
Well said.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:27:34 PM
Yep, Tyrone Mings and Raheem Sterling, because they dislike being racially abused on Twitter, are clearly calling for neo-Liberianism to be taught in every school. Of course.I'd imagine that would be really irritating. But I'm guessing I'd cope?
Aaaaaand Mr. Nuance shows he doesn't actually know enough about the subject to mouth off. Attach the stone of surprise!
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:30:58 PM
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:31:34 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:32:22 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2021, 11:32:38 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2021, 11:32:47 PM
The last three pages have been a depressing read. Tl;dr, a white man knows more about racism than a cultured, educated, sensitive mixed race man who has overcome hardship, racism and poverty to take a stand against racism. It's a great look for us as a fanbase.Just copying my original message for context.
I'm a massive fan of Tyrone but think he's on to a loser here.
"At the same time, at Wembley there was a hugely positive reaction to us taking the knee as well"
Right Ty. That's why you were trying to keep everyone else kneeling when they jumped up after a couple of seconds.
You can't have BLM on your shirts when you first start making the symbol then say it's not that BLM when they make the met police kneel and try to burn the Union Jack at the cenotaph. It doesn't wash. It's going to get booed. Do something else.
Can you explain exactly what it is you think Tyrone Mings et al are standing for if it's not what they say it is? And why would they lie? And why would they continue?
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:32:49 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
Oooh that's even better. Hahaha,
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:33:27 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle in the wind.
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:34:23 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2021, 11:35:13 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle n the wind.
And it seems to me that he lived his life
LIKE A FASCIST IN THE WIND
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:36:12 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle in the wind.
More like a burning cross than a candle.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle n the wind.
And it seems to me that he lived his life
LIKE A FASCIST IN THE WIND
He was only defending our brave lions. The ones who had the bravery to stand up against the hateful politics of the people booing them.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:38:02 PM
Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.It's a very strange world you gents exist in. I want to be friends but you're not so much. Can't see why.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle n the wind.
And it seems to me that he lived his life
LIKE A FASCIST IN THE WIND
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:40:21 PM
That's harsh of another Villa fan. Not sure why you'd say that?Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.It's a very strange world you gents exist in. I want to be friends but you're not so much. Can't see why.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle n the wind.
And it seems to me that he lived his life
LIKE A FASCIST IN THE WIND
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 11:41:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 11:41:58 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:43:51 PM
That's harsh of another Villa fan. Not sure why you'd say that?Lads feel happy cos you've given me a good laugh. You bunch on nut jobs.It's a very strange world you gents exist in. I want to be friends but you're not so much. Can't see why.
What a privilege to be present at the birth of a new form of white flight.
I will miss chrisf. He was a candle n the wind.
And it seems to me that he lived his life
LIKE A FASCIST IN THE WIND
Ah he's upset we're not distinguishing enough between a movement and its fringe, adorable.
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2021, 11:44:05 PM
When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).That's fair comment. I only comment (esp on this thread) because I don't think it's a few prats booing and I don't think they're booing because they're racists.
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.
But booing your own players isn't divisive?
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:47:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 11:49:08 PM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Corporate masters. What a load fucking bullshit.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Um...I'm guessing, something incoherent?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2021, 11:53:37 PM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
The vast majority of people know why he’s doing it. It’s a peaceful protest against racism.
If you boo that, you look like a racist. Bothered?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:56:06 PM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
The vast majority of people know why he’s doing it. It’s a peaceful protest against racism.
If you boo that, you look like a racist. Bothered?
This is why I'm sceptical of peaceful protest. Nobody does shit until you break their windows.
Post by: chrisf on June 15, 2021, 11:57:23 PM
Yes. That is the line. This is for you BB: If you don't stand up don't expect people after you to to stand, We are at that point now.When, exactly, would there be a public occasion at which these prats would have the opportunity to actually boo Kick It Out? If they could they would, because most of the booers don’t want an end to racism (the others don’t think it’s an issue).That's fair comment. I only comment (esp on this thread) because I don't think it's a few prats booing and I don't think they're booing because they're racists.
I have huge respect for Tyrone and his team mates intentions but I'd boo if I was there because I think in this choice of symbolic gesture is divisive and we don't need stuff that's divisive.he
But booing your own players isn't divisive?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:59:15 PM
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 12:00:28 AM
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2021, 12:01:21 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Isn't Aston Villa his corporate master?
Seriously though, the fact that people believe nonsense like this is why we can't have nice things. People will choose to believe whatever confirms their own biases. The fact that Tyrone has articulated why he kneels, several times - along with other England players and the team's manager - is of absolutely no interest to some people. And it's because they're so deep into it now that it's impossible to admit they're wrong. Instead, they'll latch onto anything that makes them feel 'correct', even if that means pretending the England players are all lying.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful master.
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 12:03:12 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Isn't Aston Villa his corporate master?
Seriously though, the fact that people believe nonsense like this is why we can't have nice things. People will choose to believe whatever confirms their own biases. The fact that Tyrone has articulated why he kneels, several times - along with other England players and the team's manager - is of absolutely no interest to some people. And it's because they're so deep into it now that it's impossible to admit they're wrong. Instead, they'll latch onto anything that makes them feel 'correct', even if that means pretending the England players are all lying.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful master.
A corporate one?
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 12:42:32 AM
I'm genuinely ashamed that someone from my home county could be as incapable with the language as this.How's that shame coming on Monty. I'd love to hear just how ashamed you still are? Care to elaborate?
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 12:57:21 AM
Cognitive dissonance is long words for "you're being lied to". It can be fucking hard work.I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Isn't Aston Villa his corporate master?
Seriously though, the fact that people believe nonsense like this is why we can't have nice things. People will choose to believe whatever confirms their own biases. The fact that Tyrone has articulated why he kneels, several times - along with other England players and the team's manager - is of absolutely no interest to some people. And it's because they're so deep into it now that it's impossible to admit they're wrong. Instead, they'll latch onto anything that makes them feel 'correct', even if that means pretending the England players are all lying.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful master.tive
Post by: Ads on June 16, 2021, 01:07:03 AM
Why would wealthy millionaires of scant education be part of a Marxist plot?
It's black players and their mates doing something visual that ought to stop and make you think about seeing the world through their eyes for a brief moment. Nothing more.
If you're Villa and my age then you've hero worshiped players like Yorke, Carew, Young and McGrath (praised be his name). You probably love our centre back pairing now. You don't stand there and shout thinking these are black lads when they're doing something special, they're just ours and in our colours, so why get snooty when they kneel down for 10 seconds in our colours?
It's a gesture of a frustrated NFL player. Whose not played since. Its not Marxism.
I mean you can be critical that Kaepernick's act is symbolic of subjugation. Its what one does when performing liege homage to their Lord, it makes no historic sense to me. Copying Jesse Owen saluting in 1936 would make a lot more sense, but its not mine. I'm white, it makes no odds to me I don't care what race you are, I'm not the audience.
Post by: Villan82 on June 16, 2021, 01:07:53 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Such a staggering lack of understanding.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 01:15:10 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2021, 07:27:17 AM
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2021, 07:32:12 AM
Post by: Ian. on June 16, 2021, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2021, 07:38:38 AM
We are living through times when there are large numbers of attention seekers who will cleave to any absurdity whether it is anti vaxx, anti knee, phone mast burning or flat earthism so long as it gets them noticed.
That is very true. Twitter is awash with them unfortunately.
Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 07:53:40 AM
We were going to be more tolerant, more understanding, kinder, more humble, appreciative, and the world was going to be a much better place.
12 months on, look at it now….it’s seems worse than ever.
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 08:04:53 AM
I'm genuinely ashamed that someone from my home county could be as incapable with the language as this.How's that shame coming on Monty. I'd love to hear just how ashamed you still are? Care to elaborate?
Sure, you purport to come from the same county as me, a place world-renowned for its university, yet you seem completely incapable of a) thoughts or b) articulating them in something like coherent English.
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 08:13:09 AM
Sure, you purport to come from the same county as me, a place world-renowned for its university, yet you seem completely incapable of a) thoughts or b) articulating them in something like coherent English.I'm "completely incapable of a) thoughts or b) articulating them".
Bullseye.
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 08:15:43 AM
As someone who comes from the same county Monty I also know that there are a lot of carrot crunchers (copyright Dodd, K) in it.
Aye it's true. Still a big shame though.
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 08:18:04 AM
You would think every Villa fan would understand BLM when you consider Dalian Atkinson, a hero to many of us, a man who clearly needed help for whatever demons he suffered from died at the hands of police. I’m not here to discuss or litigate that. But it’s that black men specifically don’t get the benefit of the doubt at the hands of law enforcement. Not just now but throughout history. Passed down through many generations all they just want to bring that prejudice to an end. It’s just not that hard to understand and have respect. Even if you don’t think the vehicle used to deliver the message is effective, at least try to understand and educate yourself as to the message.100% but when was that last mentioned? If Tyrone wants to wear a Dalian Atkinson t-shirt or hold up a Dalian placard I'm 100% behind him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 08:23:11 AM
You would think every Villa fan would understand BLM when you consider Dalian Atkinson, a hero to many of us, a man who clearly needed help for whatever demons he suffered from died at the hands of police. I’m not here to discuss or litigate that. But it’s that black men specifically don’t get the benefit of the doubt at the hands of law enforcement. Not just now but throughout history. Passed down through many generations all they just want to bring that prejudice to an end. It’s just not that hard to understand and have respect. Even if you don’t think the vehicle used to deliver the message is effective, at least try to understand and educate yourself as to the message.100% but when was that last mentioned? If Tyrone wants to wear a Dalian Atkinson t-shirt or hold up a Dalian placard I'm 100% behind him.
Just don’t mention he was black or its relevance to his treatment by the police. Because black lives don’t matter right?
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 08:31:43 AM
The jury is currently considering whether Dalian was murdered or not. There may or may not be an investigation as to the motivation for that murder if it's proven. I have my suspicions but I think it's right that a court should decide.You would think every Villa fan would understand BLM when you consider Dalian Atkinson, a hero to many of us, a man who clearly needed help for whatever demons he suffered from died at the hands of police. I’m not here to discuss or litigate that. But it’s that black men specifically don’t get the benefit of the doubt at the hands of law enforcement. Not just now but throughout history. Passed down through many generations all they just want to bring that prejudice to an end. It’s just not that hard to understand and have respect. Even if you don’t think the vehicle used to deliver the message is effective, at least try to understand and educate yourself as to the message.100% but when was that last mentioned? If Tyrone wants to wear a Dalian Atkinson t-shirt or hold up a Dalian placard I'm 100% behind him.
Just don’t mention he was black or its relevance to his treatment by the police. Because black lives don’t matter right?
Post by: dr.chekov on June 16, 2021, 08:35:17 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
His corporate masters? What does that mean? Who do you think Tyrone is taking the knee to?
Post by: Axl Rose on June 16, 2021, 08:39:53 AM
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 08:51:24 AM
The jury is currently considering whether Dalian was murdered or not. There may or may not be an investigation as to the motivation for that murder if it's proven. I have my suspicions but I think it's right that a court should decide.You would think every Villa fan would understand BLM when you consider Dalian Atkinson, a hero to many of us, a man who clearly needed help for whatever demons he suffered from died at the hands of police. I’m not here to discuss or litigate that. But it’s that black men specifically don’t get the benefit of the doubt at the hands of law enforcement. Not just now but throughout history. Passed down through many generations all they just want to bring that prejudice to an end. It’s just not that hard to understand and have respect. Even if you don’t think the vehicle used to deliver the message is effective, at least try to understand and educate yourself as to the message.100% but when was that last mentioned? If Tyrone wants to wear a Dalian Atkinson t-shirt or hold up a Dalian placard I'm 100% behind him.
Just don’t mention he was black or its relevance to his treatment by the police. Because black lives don’t matter right?
What do you care? You oppose the idea that black lives matter. You oppose people who say that they do.
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 08:54:14 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2021, 09:09:17 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
So I think this was answering me about who. Which company?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 16, 2021, 09:16:35 AM
Then if you disagree with anything he says let us know. It’s maybe a better way to do it than disagreeing with something that someone else has made up that Tyrone is thinking that you’ve read or heard somewhere. At the moment any time you’re challenged on something you’ve said, you then move the goal posts of your argument.
Explain clearly what you’re disgruntled about based on what Tyrone is actually saying about the protest.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 09:16:47 AM
If you boo it you aren't opposing politicisation of sport, you aren't opposing a political movement. You're just using that as a cheap excuse to show your disdain for a gesture against racism, that is all. You're using it as an opportunity to legitimise your racism. You can't get away with monkey chants anymore but you can justify this with some self righteous rubbish about being against politics in sport. You disgust me. I want you out of our club.
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 09:17:29 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Post by: dr.chekov on June 16, 2021, 09:19:19 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Great, but again, who are Tyrone's corporate masters?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 09:21:30 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Nothing they do suggests you don’t care about racism. Your booing does that.
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2021, 09:21:31 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Remember a couple of pages ago when I pointed out that people booing the knee while pretending it's in support of a political movement would continue to boo regardless of the 'gesture' being taken against racism, because to them, the knee isn't the issue, it's because they consider it all 'woke nonsense'?
I didn't expect my point to be proven literally true quite so quickly.
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 09:25:06 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Remember a couple of pages ago when I pointed out that people booing the knee while pretending it's in support of a political movement would continue to boo regardless of the 'gesture' being taken against racism, because to them, the knee isn't the issue, it's because they consider it all 'woke nonsense'?
I didn't expect my point to be proven literally true quite so quickly.
Now that is bang to rights. Guilty as charged.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 16, 2021, 09:27:30 AM
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 16, 2021, 09:28:22 AM
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
So presumably by the same logic you would boo national anthems and any minutes silences/applause before a game?
It seems to me you are offended by the BLM movement, and so question peoples motivations for wanting to demonstrate their support for anti-racist sentiments, if so the problem is with you not them.
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2021, 09:31:25 AM
Cognitive dissonance is long words for "you're being lied to". It can be fucking hard work.I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Isn't Aston Villa his corporate master?
Seriously though, the fact that people believe nonsense like this is why we can't have nice things. People will choose to believe whatever confirms their own biases. The fact that Tyrone has articulated why he kneels, several times - along with other England players and the team's manager - is of absolutely no interest to some people. And it's because they're so deep into it now that it's impossible to admit they're wrong. Instead, they'll latch onto anything that makes them feel 'correct', even if that means pretending the England players are all lying.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful master.tive
That genuinely isn't what cognitive dissonance means. I guess we should just add that to the list of things you haven't understood over the last few pages?
For the record, cognitive dissonance is a defence mechanism your brain takes on your behalf to protect you from the uncomfortable feeling of being 'wrong' about something causing you conflict. Our brains love consistency you see. Often you'll see people dismiss the evidence of their own eyes and ears and latch on to some other explanation that makes them feel 'correct'. That's why it's so closely linked to confirmation bias.
A good - and entirely hypothetical - example would be if a group of high-profil people undertook a brief but very public gesture, and then repeatedly explained why they were doing it, but then some people decided to ignore these explanations and instead to latch onto a six-year-old interview with a woman on the other side of the world as a much better reason for them taking the knee. Because that way their brains can continue to feel 'correct' about the issue. To all outside observers, they are demonstrably wrong about it, but internally, they feel entirely justified.
That would be textbook cognitive dissonance.
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 16, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.
Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.
For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
Do you basically spend your life booing stuff you don't like and haven't paid to see then? It must get pretty tiring for everyone I'd have thought.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 16, 2021, 09:35:56 AM
Every book club has someone who turns up week in week out, loads to say but has only read half a review of the book - that’s you. Don’t be thick as well as racist.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
Chris watch this. Tyrone explains more in his own words about taking the knee. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12250817/mings-taking-the-knee-has-not-lost-its-powerHe speaks so brilliantly here. They should play some of this on the big screen before England games.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 16, 2021, 09:41:07 AM
Chris watch this. Tyrone explains more in his own words about taking the knee. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12250817/mings-taking-the-knee-has-not-lost-its-powerHe speaks so brilliantly here. They should play some of this on the big screen before England games.
Such a good idea. He’s so eloquent. He leaves no space to misunderstand what it’s all about.
Post by: Ger Regan on June 16, 2021, 09:43:17 AM
Post by: chrisf on June 16, 2021, 09:46:12 AM
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
So presumably by the same logic you would boo national anthems and any minutes silences/applause before a game?
It seems to me you are offended by the BLM movement, and so question peoples motivations for wanting to demonstrate their support for anti-racist sentiments, if so the problem is with you not them.
Being so comprehensively tied in knots on this point has given me genuine food for thought.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 09:47:25 AM
It’s not a lot to ask but the request has been weaponized and politicized by those who have turned it in some sort of “Marxist” crusade who aim strip that unearned privilege away. Those same people couldn’t tell you who Marx was; likely thinking it was one of three brothers.
When you want to look up ignorance; which is at the lowest rung of the ladder of prejudice, see the people who boo taking the knee. And then look further up at that ladder at the hate and bigotry those lower down privately revel in, less overtly subscribe to, and for some even aspire to.
Post by: brontebilly on June 16, 2021, 09:58:14 AM
I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?
Making a stand against systemic racism in British society would be my take on it. About time someone did. Johnson and his jukebox jingoists don't like it but fuck them. Southgate and the England squad have shown some courage here as the easiest thing to do after those friendlies was to stop. The further England go in the tournament the worse it's going to get. The Scotland evening game will be interesting.
And even if you didn't agree with the motives for taking the knee for whatever reason if it's important to your players then why boo? Surely just stay silent if it offends you that much.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2021, 10:07:22 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on June 16, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
It’s the kind of crap that’s always been used by racists or the ignorant (or racists and the ignorant) to discredit black causes.
Utter bullshit.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 16, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Far more telling is the comment about suggesting implicitly "I was a bit less caring than I should be" I really don't think this is what they're doing but it's interesting chrisf picks up on this. Feeling a bit guilty about being a racist perhaps?
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 10:19:56 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
I like how he threw in the comment about Lewis Hamilton. "Some of my favourite sportspeople are black"
Far more telling is the comment about suggesting implicitly "I was a bit less caring than I should be" I really don't think this is what they're doing but it's interesting chrisf picks up on this. Feeling a bit guilty about being a racist perhaps?
Also, he started off his trolling yesterday by saying they should ‘do something else’ instead of the knee. Then he talks about a sport that ‘does something else’ and says he would boo that too.
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2021, 10:42:15 AM
Post by: Villan82 on June 16, 2021, 11:08:50 AM
I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.
So presumably by the same logic you would boo national anthems and any minutes silences/applause before a game?
It seems to me you are offended by the BLM movement, and so question peoples motivations for wanting to demonstrate their support for anti-racist sentiments, if so the problem is with you not them.
Being so comprehensively tied in knots on this point has given me genuine food for thought.
I do hope you give this some reflection.
Try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes- reflect on their experience, their history. Or, better still, don't project onto them. Listen to them and accept that they are better placed to understand their lived experience of it than one who isn't in those same shoes and that same experience.
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Post by: mr underhill on June 16, 2021, 11:55:03 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 11:58:43 AM
Surely we still live in some sort of a democracy and people who oppose taking the knee are free to express that view. As some French geezer said, I don't agree with your opinion, butI defend to the death your right to express it. Or some shit similar to that.
No one is getting locked up for booing are they? The rational, decent folk are merely expressing their view that such folk are fucking bellends.
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2021, 12:00:24 PM
Surely we still live in some sort of a democracy and people who oppose taking the knee are free to express that view. As some French geezer said, I don't agree with your opinion, butI defend to the death your right to express it. Or some shit similar to that.
They are free to express it. As far as I know, no one has been put in prison for booing the knee? Freedom of speech is important, but it doesn't give you freedom from the consequences of that speech.
I think most people in the thread seem to understand that many (if not most) of the people booing aren't doing so because they are explicitly racist (I don't believe), they're doing it because they mistakenly believe it's some sort of Marxist political statement. That's why they get called up on it.
If someone is booing, I want to at least make sure they're booing against something other than the hallucinated intentions of the players.
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 12:02:34 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 12:03:55 PM
Surely we still live in some sort of a democracy and people who oppose taking the knee are free to express that view. As some French geezer said, I don't agree with your opinion, butI defend to the death your right to express it. Or some shit similar to that.
People are free to do lots of things but what is often missed is that other people are free to respond to it. If someone chooses to boo players taking the knee then they have to accept that other people will criticise them for it. This isn't about banning people from booing it's about making them realise how much of an arsehole it makes them look, especially when it's one of their own players who they'd happily celebrate with if he scores a goal, etc.
EDITED - also don't justify booing by pretending it stands for something other than the reason the players have given repeatedly.
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 12:08:03 PM
There is a lot of the 'freedom of speech' rightwing which seems to think it means 'freedom from criticism' - which is itself an anti-free speech idea. We could do without this confusion.
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 12:22:37 PM
It's well said, by Mill and others, that the right to speak is also the right of others to listen. I have the right to know that there are bellends about who think what they do about the knee, and to respond in my own way, as Tyrone and the others have the right to respond in their own ways.
There is a lot of the 'freedom of speech' rightwing which seems to think it means 'freedom from criticism' - which is itself an anti-free speech idea. We could do without this confusion.
The entire basis of the alt right free speech gang is that they shouldn't have their views questioned, that's why I see them as the most 'snowflake-y' group of all. "I want to have my opinions heard but I can't cope with having anyone point out why they disagree".
It's not just freedom from criticism though, it's also freedom from responsibility. Take Trump as the ultimate example, the capitol riots were a direct result of him (and his lackeys) taking no regard for the consequences of what he was saying and then trying to evade responsibility for it through semantics by saying they never actually told anyone to do it.
On top of that they never apply the same logic in reverse, you never see these people defending the rights of their opposition to say whatever they like without consequence, in fact as soon as anyone on the left says anything the right don't like they're up in arms about it (about 90% of what Ilhan Omar says works as a perfect example here). I wish these people would just be honest and admit that they have prejudices and don't like having them questioned, it would make the conversation much simpler rather than them hiding behind bullshit excuses and mock outrage.
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2021, 12:28:40 PM
I think if people want to boo they should. They prove the necessity of the gesture they're abusing by doing so. Like I said elsewhere, the knee was diffusing a bit in lockdown; the return of fans has re-emphasised why it's legitimate.
That's my opinion as well Monty. Before the booing, it had started to be just something else that players did before the game kicked off, like shaking hands with the ref and deciding which end to attack first. Now if anything, the booing has made it very relevant again.
I was at the last match of the season against Chelsea. At first I was a bit dumbstruck by the booing and in my naivety thought that it might have been fans having a go at Mason Mount over all the Southgate nonsense. Then the reality hit me, and I really couldn't believe it. To be lucky enough to be at a game that a lot of people missed out on, and to be seeing the players live for the first time in an age, and THEN to decide what they really want to do to do to support the team is to boo over something they've at best totally misunderstood is just mind boggling.
Post by: mr underhill on June 16, 2021, 12:34:17 PM
Post by: Villan82 on June 16, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
It's well said, by Mill and others, that the right to speak is also the right of others to listen. I have the right to know that there are bellends about who think what they do about the knee, and to respond in my own way, as Tyrone and the others have the right to respond in their own ways.
There is a lot of the 'freedom of speech' rightwing which seems to think it means 'freedom from criticism' - which is itself an anti-free speech idea. We could do without this confusion.
The entire basis of the alt right free speech gang is that they shouldn't have their views questioned, that's why I see them as the most 'snowflake-y' group of all. "I want to have my opinions heard but I can't cope with having anyone point out why they disagree".
To be honest, I see it as an attack on 'political correctness' which, now that you see how far the American and British far right have been willing to go since the earthquakes of 2016, should be translated as 'I don't like political correctness because it makes my own ignorant and prejudiced views taboo and socially unacceptable'.
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
how do you know that? People are entitled to their view, irrespective of the way you personally feel about it. I half expected you to say they all supported Brexit too.
Who are you actually replying to here?
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 12:37:07 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2021, 12:57:58 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2021, 01:10:39 PM
how do you know that? People are entitled to their view, irrespective of the way you personally feel about it. I half expected you to say they all supported Brexit too.
There are only two reasons to boo taking the knee. Either, you've misunderstood why the players are doing it, and are booing for some hallucinated reason of your own making. Or, you understand perfectly why they're kneeling, and just don't like people showing support for victims of racism.
I don't think either of those reasons reflects particularly well on the booer, and are open to criticism, but I can more easily forgive the first one, which likely comes down to how they get their 'news'.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 01:37:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 01:43:57 PM
how do you know that? People are entitled to their view, irrespective of the way you personally feel about it. I half expected you to say they all supported Brexit too.
There are only two reasons to boo taking the knee. Either, you've misunderstood why the players are doing it, and are booing for some hallucinated reason of your own making. Or, you understand perfectly why they're kneeling, and just don't like people showing support for victims of racism.
I don't think either of those reasons reflects particularly well on the booer, and are open to criticism, but I can more easily forgive the first one, which likely comes down to how they get their 'news'.
With the first one though, I get the impression they believe this horseshit because they want to.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 16, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
They know full well that taking the knee needs to be challenged now or it's message will gain more traction as time goes by. They have no choice other than to deny the real reason for taking the knee, which is the solidarity of players against racial abuse and discrimination in all areas of society but particularly as we have seen on social media.
The return of crowds to stadiums is now the first opportunity for them to regain what was once a bastion for open racism in a public environment. They can't simply start off the racist abuse at matches where they left off though. It won't be tolerated anymore, the subject of inequality is in the public consciousness much more, and prosecutions have taken place for hate crimes.
Tyrone has been articulate and clear and they'd like to shut him up or reduce his public profile because people are listening to him.
What's been good to see is that in football grounds the applause swiftly drowns out most of the boos. For this reason alone taking the knee should continue. Let them boo, let them show us who they all are, then call them out and chuck them out, there's no place for them here.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 04:25:25 PM
Don't let's be fooled here. The majority of people who boo taking the knee are in my opinion mainly racist individuals. The justification they use that they are objecting against political correctness or politics in sport is simply a smoke screen to obscure the grotesque nature of their own deep rooted personal racism.
They know full well that taking the knee needs to be challenged now or it's message will gain more traction as time goes by. They have no choice other than to deny the real reason for taking the knee, which is the solidarity of players against racial abuse and discrimination in all areas of society but particularly as we have seen on social media.
The return of crowds to stadiums is now the first opportunity for them to regain what was once a bastion for open racism in a public environment. They can't simply start off the racist abuse at matches where they left off though. It won't be tolerated anymore, the subject of inequality is in the public consciousness much more, and prosecutions have taken place for hate crimes.
Tyrone has been articulate and clear and they'd like to shut him up or reduce his public profile because people are listening to him.
What's been good to see is that in football grounds the applause swiftly drowns out most of the boos. For this reason alone taking the knee should continue. Let them boo, let them show us who they all are, then call them out and chuck them out, there's no place for them here.
Amen brother! Almost makes me want to go myself.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 16, 2021, 09:01:32 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 09:02:11 PM
Imagine if one of our players took the knee after scoring? I’d love it, that would confuse those “anti-Marxist” fans.
That would be fucking hilarious.
Accompanied by Gabby-style ear-cupping.
Post by: lovejoy on June 16, 2021, 09:27:41 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 17, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
Imagine if one of our players took the knee after scoring? I’d love it, that would confuse those “anti-Marxist” fans.I did ponder whether if Tyrone had banged a header in from a corner on Sunday whether he would have done that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 08:49:22 AM
I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 17, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
Anyone who really thinks England players taking the knee is about them supporting some sort of Anarcho-Marxist political movement is so fucking stupid, they're clearly in the territory of racism.It's just something they've read in the Maxwell rags. Most of them almost certainly don't have a clue what that even means!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 08:54:19 AM
Anyone who really thinks England players taking the knee is about them supporting some sort of Anarcho-Marxist political movement is so fucking stupid, they're clearly in the territory of racism.It's just something they've read in the Maxwell rags. Most of them almost certainly don't have a clue what that even means!
This post was brought to you by 1986. Wink.
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2021, 08:56:00 AM
Anyone who really thinks England players taking the knee is about them supporting some sort of Anarcho-Marxist political movement is so fucking stupid, they're clearly in the territory of racism.It's just something they've read in the Maxwell rags. Most of them almost certainly don't have a clue what that even means!
I reckon some of these prats are not capable of reading much more than a paragraph and they have seen a photo which has been edited with a big headline making it all very true and then shared all over Facebook and Twitter, hence it must be fact.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 09:03:03 AM
Anyone who really thinks England players taking the knee is about them supporting some sort of Anarcho-Marxist political movement is so fucking stupid, they're clearly in the territory of racism.It's just something they've read in the Maxwell rags. Most of them almost certainly don't have a clue what that even means!
I reckon some of these prats are not capable of reading much more than a paragraph and they have seen a photo which has been edited with a big headline making it all very true and then shared all over Facebook and Twitter, hence it must be fact.
Usually how it works.
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2021, 09:21:20 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
Yes quite and it’s very worrying when you scroll through a feed on Facebook and realise that over half of your old school friends, old football team mates etc. are as thick and ignorant as they are.
Well over half in my case. The culture war has really impacted my social life. But I’ve got some good ones as well. Bad English for instance. And I won’t let Risso’s extremist ramblings destroy our friendship. *wink*
Post by: brian green on June 17, 2021, 11:30:06 AM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 12:07:43 PM
"Two decent tories, there's only two decent tories"
Three. sickbeggar.
Post by: lovejoy on June 17, 2021, 12:48:37 PM
I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
Post by: in exile on June 18, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
Eh?I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 18, 2021, 11:08:44 AM
Eh?I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
A good gag too.
Post by: in exile on June 18, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
I've totally missed it haven't I?Eh?I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
A good gag too.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 18, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
I've totally missed it haven't I?Eh?I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
A good gag too.
Can we now ask you if you know what an encyclopaedia is?
Post by: in exile on June 18, 2021, 11:21:43 AM
Is it something to do with bikes?I've totally missed it haven't I?Eh?I remember Tyrone’s uncle, Adie Mings, playing for Gloucester City back in the day. It’s clearly runs in the family, the Mings dynasty if you like.
I think Adie is his dad.
You're right, I stand corrected.
But the gag though, it still works, look at the gag.
A good gag too.
Can we now ask you if you know what an encyclopaedia is?
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on June 18, 2021, 11:53:57 AM
I'm undecided which is best
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 18, 2021, 12:02:45 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 19, 2021, 12:44:33 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 19, 2021, 06:44:16 AM
At least the Moron resisted the tabloid pressure to drop Mingsy for Harry 'I haven't kicked a ball in a competitive match for almost two months' McGuire.
You wait until Tuesday.
Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2021, 07:28:05 AM
Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2021, 07:44:13 AM
He played well last night. He had to really, given James and Shaw were brought in to get forward as much as possible and, well, defend as little as possible.
I think he is gradually becoming the true captain of England by default. Great for us!
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 08:05:59 AM
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Post by: dave shelley on June 19, 2021, 09:03:35 AM
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Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2021, 09:19:41 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on June 19, 2021, 09:21:47 AM
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 19, 2021, 09:48:31 AM
I reckon if he’d made a mistake in this match, or even if he didn’t personally but Scotland had scored, McGuire would’ve come back in for the Czech match. As it stands now, Mings can’t be dropped on the back of 2 clean sheets and as such, I can’t see McGuire starting any of the knockout matches now, should England progress.
This would be the logical and correct decision, if it wasn’t for horseface and his collection of favourite pets.
Post by: Holte132 on June 19, 2021, 11:01:35 AM
Am I the only one who’s always thinking ‘What’s he pointing at?’
No, you're not! I often wonder if his pointing distracts the opposition.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Post by: Ian. on June 19, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
Post by: dave shelley on June 19, 2021, 01:01:43 PM
I am confident that our boy will be dropped for the Czech game so that Southgate gets his desired partnership of Stones and Maguire for the last two games of the tournament.
I'm inclined to agree with you. The excuse Southgate could use being that Maguire is more of an aerial threat from set pieces than Tyrone. How many goals has he scored for England?
Post by: Risso on June 19, 2021, 01:57:18 PM
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 01:59:49 PM
I think Southgate will almost certainly get the hump with Mings for his brutally honest post match comments.
Not that honest. No reference to Southgate being a charlatan, clueless and a dour, negative twat.
Post by: Smithy on June 20, 2021, 08:56:14 AM
Post by: algy on June 20, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Nonces in lycra?This made me laugh
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I think Southgate will almost certainly get the hump with Mings for his brutally honest post match comments.
Not that honest. No reference to Southgate being a charlatan, clueless and a dour, negative twat.
You obviously never saw the full interview.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 20, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Southgate ,faced with the conundrum of dropping a player who has played well ,will restore Maguire and revert to 3 4 3 with Mount or Bellingham alongside Rice in midfield.It might not happen v the Czechs but faced with more difficult opponents,I can see Southgate reaching for the comfort blanket of more defenders.I am confident that our boy will be dropped for the Czech game so that Southgate gets his desired partnership of Stones and Maguire for the last two games of the tournament.
I'm inclined to agree with you. The excuse Southgate could use being that Maguire is more of an aerial threat from set pieces than Tyrone. How many goals has he scored for England?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2021, 05:25:02 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Southgate ,faced with the conundrum of dropping a player who has played well ,will restore Maguire and revert to 3 4 3 with Mount or Bellingham alongside Rice in midfield.It might not happen v the Czechs but faced with more difficult opponents,I can see Southgate reaching for the comfort blanket of more defenders.I am confident that our boy will be dropped for the Czech game so that Southgate gets his desired partnership of Stones and Maguire for the last two games of the tournament.
I'm inclined to agree with you. The excuse Southgate could use being that Maguire is more of an aerial threat from set pieces than Tyrone. How many goals has he scored for England?
I agree, I think he either drops Mings who has done nothing to warrant it or we change to a back 3, no chance that Maguire doesn't come in.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on June 20, 2021, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2021, 10:53:04 AM
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2021, 10:58:39 AM
Is Maguire really better than Mings? Or is that he just plays for Man U?Yeah, I think he is.
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2021, 11:12:51 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 21, 2021, 11:16:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
I disagree with you but even if he is better the difference isn't enough to drop a guy who's been at the heart of 4 consecutive clean sheets.You may disagree but I suspect that outside of the Villa fan base many other people would. For me this is of course only on the basis that Maguire is fit and as Chicago says this is our only real opprtunity to test that.
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2021, 12:13:04 PM
I disagree with you but even if he is better the difference isn't enough to drop a guy who's been at the heart of 4 consecutive clean sheets.You may disagree but I suspect that outside of the Villa fan base many other people would. For me this is of course only on the basis that Maguire is fit and as Chicago says this is our only real opprtunity to test that.
You haven't addressed the disruption side of it. I get wanting to see if Maguire is fit but central defence is the part of the team where you just don't rotate players when it's working. If we're going to win this tournament it will be on the back of the defence because Southgate is terrified of letting the forwards off the leash, on that basis I don't see any reason to mess with it when it's working (I extend this to Pickford and Rice as well, that group of 4 at the heart of hte defence is the only part of the team that's working right now).
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2021, 12:14:44 PM
Is Maguire really better than Mings? Or is that he just plays for Man U?
Exactly my thoughts
Post by: aev on June 21, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
I think it makes sense to give Maguire some game time.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2021, 12:27:17 PM
There's also the leadership issue. Kane is not a vocal leader and England lacked leadership against Scotland. Mings is a brilliant leader, but his lack of experience at international level makes it difficult for him to take on the role for England. Maguire has captained England a number of times and as Utd captian he has the gravitas and respect of the other players to be a leader on the pitch.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2021, 12:38:23 PM
Well it's Southgates chance to see how it works in a very low risk game. If he believes Maguire is fit enough and also believes we have more chance of progressing further in the tournament with Maguire playing then it's a sensible move in my opinion. Maguire is good enough and experienced enough to fit in in a game like this without signifdicant disruption. Like you I would keep Pickford in Rice in place too as there's not any obviously superior options.
There's also the leadership issue. Kane is not a vocal leader and England lacked leadership against Scotland. Mings is a brilliant leader, but his lack of experience at international level makes it difficult for him to take on the role for England. Maguire has captained England a number of times and as Utd captian he has the gravitas and respect of the other players to be a leader on the pitch.
Maguire has only played 32 games for England, compared to 12 for Mings, so it' not like he's Peter Shilton or something. In addition, Mings has actually played more games in the last two years, with 10 games to Maguire's 6.
I think Mings is better in the air, is quicker, and tackles better than Maguire, plus Tyrone is left footed. Mings does of course, have the odd ricket in him, but in the first two games he's been pretty faultless. Maguire is maybe slightly better at distribution, but not enough to compensate for the other things. Plus, he's a twat with all that stuff in Greece, whereas Mings is an absolute ambassador. And a better player.
Post by: London Villan on June 21, 2021, 12:48:08 PM
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Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2021, 01:17:55 PM
Post by: London Villan on June 21, 2021, 01:25:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2021, 02:03:11 PM
Maguire is utter rubbish. The lumbering oaf gets caught on the turn and lunges in far too often. He's not good enough for United, let alone England.
That's why they sold him to Hull.
Post by: brontebilly on June 21, 2021, 02:45:28 PM
Is Maguire really better than Mings? Or is that he just plays for Man U?
Maguire, without being Baresi esque, is quite good on the ball. Certainly better than Mings and a bigger threat at set piece time. Mings is obviously the better athlete and playing with Stones, England shouldn't have needed to play two holding midfielders in front of them. If you play Maguire, you will need them.
Mings has done well in the two games.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 21, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 21, 2021, 03:13:42 PM
I prefer riskier football for potentially better rewards, so I'd go with Maguire.
95% of the Buendia thread is people talking about his stats and how he was "one of the best players with x amounts of chances created and this and that" to justify his very average first season in the P.L. Yet the very same people will completely ignore Maquire's stats, call him "shit" and still go with Tyrone just because he's our player, lolz.
This ball he put in for an on the run Grealish around the 35 second mark was pretty tasty.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2021, 05:04:18 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2021, 05:11:23 PM
Post by: Diablo on June 22, 2021, 10:19:56 AM
Post by: CT on June 22, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
He won’t drop slabhead now unless he has an absolute howler.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Very, very unfortunate to get left out.
He won’t drop slabhead now unless he has an absolute howler.
I reckon that's it for Tyrone unless one of those two get an injury. Been the best defender so far, adds balance to the back four as well as leadership and he gets dropped. It's ludicrous.
Post by: colin69 on June 22, 2021, 06:57:06 PM
Hope Jack has the game of his life, as for Sterling…..wow, just wow!!
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2021, 06:59:04 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2021, 07:14:28 PM
I'm not Mings' biggest fan - but centre back is clearly England weakest position if Stones and Slab-head are our best options.
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2021, 07:19:13 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 22, 2021, 07:23:41 PM
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2021, 07:24:25 PM
Funny how the media have been giving Maguire pelters all season - he then gets injured and suddenly he's the new Franz Anton Beckenbauer
Then again, every single match thread on here for the last two seasons has had posts banging on about Mings's inevitable mistake or his latest fuck-up and three whole months of this thread is about how he's not good enough for where we want to be and we need an upgrade to play with Konsa.
Now it's a massive injustice that he's not England's first-choice defender.
It's not just the media that can do a 180 turn.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 22, 2021, 07:27:22 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on June 22, 2021, 07:27:57 PM
Post by: TonyD on June 22, 2021, 07:36:19 PM
Southgate won’t like that.
Post by: Ian. on June 22, 2021, 07:55:09 PM
Funny how the media have been giving Maguire pelters all season - he then gets injured and suddenly he's the new Franz Anton BeckenbauerSounds like back in the day when we had Carlos Cuéllar ready in the sidelines.
I'm not Mings' biggest fan - but centre back is clearly England weakest position if Stones and Slab-head are our best options.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2021, 07:57:50 PM
and when Richard Dunne was injured for that season - he got better every week.Funny how the media have been giving Maguire pelters all season - he then gets injured and suddenly he's the new Franz Anton BeckenbauerSounds like back in the day when we had Carlos Cuéllar ready in the sidelines.
I'm not Mings' biggest fan - but centre back is clearly England weakest position if Stones and Slab-head are our best options.
Post by: oldtimernow on June 22, 2021, 09:04:05 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on June 22, 2021, 09:26:43 PM
Jack just kicked off...will it be his last touch?
It is now
Post by: robleflaneur on June 22, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2021, 05:36:44 AM
Post by: Smithy on June 23, 2021, 09:25:41 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2021, 10:20:08 AM
Very true.Funny how the media have been giving Maguire pelters all season - he then gets injured and suddenly he's the new Franz Anton Beckenbauer
Then again, every single match thread on here for the last two seasons has had posts banging on about Mings's inevitable mistake or his latest fuck-up and three whole months of this thread is about how he's not good enough for where we want to be and we need an upgrade to play with Konsa.
Now it's a massive injustice that he's not England's first-choice defender.
It's not just the media that can do a 180 turn.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
Post by: darren woolley on July 12, 2021, 12:40:13 PM
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
Anyone notice just how pissed off Mings looked after the game, had a face like thunder. Great to see that attitude.
I was about to post that exact same thing.
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
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Post by: Dave on July 12, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
He took one in our works match in 2012. Sidefoot, lifted into the roof of the net, central.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 12, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Anyone notice just how pissed off Mings looked after the game, had a face like thunder. Great to see that attitude.
He looked decidedly unimpressed when the silver medal got dangled round his neck, it was off again in about half a second.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
Anyone notice just how pissed off Mings looked after the game, had a face like thunder. Great to see that attitude.
He looked decidedly unimpressed when the silver medal got dangled round his neck, it was off again in about half a second.
Good don't want our players accepting 2nd as being good enough
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2021, 02:20:12 PM
Anyone notice just how pissed off Mings looked after the game, had a face like thunder. Great to see that attitude.
He looked decidedly unimpressed when the silver medal got dangled round his neck, it was off again in about half a second.
The runners-up removing their medals as soon as possible is something I only noticed as an en-masse thing after Yanited list the Europa final in May and to be honest, while understandable, is also pretty disrespectful.
A runners-up Euro medal is the most many of those players, Mings included, will ever win. And they've worked hard to get there. Just suck it up, keep it shiny and go again.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 12, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 12, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
Maguire was one of England's best players, in fairness and Stones did little wrong.
I thought Stones was lucky Itaky equalised, or he would have been sent off. Lost Chiellini from the cross and then fouled him, but as Italy scored, VAR didn't both looking at it.
Mings was better than Stones against Scotland.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Maguire was one of England's best players, in fairness and Stones did little wrong.
Maguire was very good throughout. He has too because he has Mings ready to step in seamlessly if he doesn't.
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2021, 03:32:36 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2021, 05:29:14 PM
He's done fantastically well to make himself basically the next cab off the rank for England, two and half years after being a utility squad player for Bournemouth looking for a loan to get his career on track.
That’s a good point. Easy to forget how far he has come in a short space of time.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2021, 05:46:32 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2021, 06:57:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
@OfficialTM_3
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You don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.
Priti Patel
@pritipatel
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I am disgusted that @England players who have given so much for our country this summer have been subject to vile racist abuse on social media.
It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.
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Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
Tyrone MingsThis was breaking news item on BBC News just now.
@OfficialTM_3QuoteYou don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.
Priti Patel
@pritipatelQuoteI am disgusted that @England players who have given so much for our country this summer have been subject to vile racist abuse on social media.
It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2021, 08:40:45 PM
Ty is a fucking hero for standing up to that vile bitch….….twice.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 12, 2021, 08:41:35 PM
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 12, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
Post by: Lizz on July 12, 2021, 08:56:26 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2021, 08:59:09 PM
Post by: brian green on July 12, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
Brilliant Tweet from Tyrone. I do wonder about the intelligence/lack of empathy of voters who still think this government can do no wrong.
truth is Lizz, much of the current government relies for its energy on the ignorance of those who support it, who in turn they work to keep them ignorant.
Post by: Lizz on July 12, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2021, 09:23:44 PM
Mike Galsworthy (Scientists for EU) has said he's never seen a Tweet in the UK take off at the rate this one is.
Excellent, it's so important the toxic rightward move of recent years is challenged.
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2021, 09:30:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2021, 09:32:42 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2021, 09:41:26 PM
Post by: Rory on July 12, 2021, 09:46:50 PM
He's spot on, courageous, and as many have said, a credit to himself and our club. Love the guy.
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2021, 09:58:22 PM
Post by: Matt C on July 12, 2021, 10:01:25 PM
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
People who claim to be against racism really need to stop voting for it.
Even some Tory MPs have realised they are the party of horrible c****
Quote
Johnny Mercer
@JohnnyMercerUK
The painful truth is that this guy is completely right.
Very uncomfortable with the position we Conservatives are needlessly forcing ourselves into. Do I fight it or stay silent? Modern Conservatism was always so much more to me. We must not lose our way.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2021, 10:10:57 PM
People who claim to be against racism really need to stop voting for it.
Even some Tory MPs have realised they are the party of horrible c****QuoteJohnny Mercer
@JohnnyMercerUK
The painful truth is that this guy is completely right.
Very uncomfortable with the position we Conservatives are needlessly forcing ourselves into. Do I fight it or stay silent? Modern Conservatism was always so much more to me. We must not lose our way.
Wow. And he's normally a proper bell-end too.
Post by: Fred Crump on July 12, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on July 12, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2021, 10:16:51 PM
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Post by: dr.chekov on July 12, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2021, 11:19:02 PM
People who claim to be against racism really need to stop voting for it.
Even some Tory MPs have realised they are the party of horrible c****QuoteJohnny Mercer
@JohnnyMercerUK
The painful truth is that this guy is completely right.
Very uncomfortable with the position we Conservatives are needlessly forcing ourselves into. Do I fight it or stay silent? Modern Conservatism was always so much more to me. We must not lose our way.
Wow. And he's normally a proper bell-end too.
He's a very disillusioned Tory at the moment though. He quit as Defence Minister back in April when he realised Johnson was full of shit. I'm not sure he'll be a Tory MP for much longer.
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 12, 2021, 11:21:17 PM
Tyrone Mings
@OfficialTM_3QuoteYou don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.
Priti Patel
@pritipatelQuoteI am disgusted that @England players who have given so much for our country this summer have been subject to vile racist abuse on social media.
It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.
Well fucking said Tyrone.
Post by: Rory on July 12, 2021, 11:49:36 PM
Neville is also a good lad. I couldn't have predicted writing that 20 years ago.
Agreed, and agreed!
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 12, 2021, 11:56:13 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 13, 2021, 12:15:05 AM
Tyrone Mings
@OfficialTM_3QuoteYou don’t get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as ‘Gesture Politics’ & then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we’re campaigning against, happens.
Priti Patel
@pritipatelQuoteI am disgusted that @England players who have given so much for our country this summer have been subject to vile racist abuse on social media.
It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.
Well fucking said Tyrone.
Absolutely agreed.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 13, 2021, 01:05:19 AM
I’m hoping to sort out some link between us and SC Villa in Kampala around mental health and was sharing Ty’s three short Samaritan’s videos he shared a few months back, he’s just such a absolute super star. Was it someone in this thread described it as an iconic tweet? It’s not hyperbole. Just so much to love about him, and great point about the exp being good for him/us too. Remember when we worried if we were overpaying? He’s been worth it for off the pitch alone!!!
Post by: Scratchins on July 13, 2021, 08:04:51 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 13, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
Post by: algy on July 13, 2021, 08:25:47 AM
I'm so proud he's one of us. And I mean that in every way.Well said.
Post by: Holte132 on July 13, 2021, 08:27:10 AM
Hear hear. Tyrone calling out Patel is just so good. I wonder how they’ll wriggle out of this one?
Patel has been subjected to racial abuse herself, so what she says is fine - apparently.
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 13, 2021, 08:45:52 AM
Hear hear. Tyrone calling out Patel is just so good. I wonder how they’ll wriggle out of this one?
Patel has been subjected to racial abuse herself, so what she says is fine - apparently.
Yes, just heard a Tory going with that argument on the radio clearly not realising that the fact that Patel has encountered racist abuse herself makes her fomenting it that much more odious and revolting.
Magnificent from Tyrone. Just magnificent.
Post by: Laurence on July 13, 2021, 08:46:58 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 13, 2021, 09:04:18 AM
Pure and simple.
Politicians only have a plan of popularity and vote.grabbing soundbites.
Fair play for him to pull up the very person who should be front and centre of this situation.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 13, 2021, 09:16:00 AM
Hear hear. Tyrone calling out Patel is just so good. I wonder how they’ll wriggle out of this one?
I'm guessing it'll be their tried and tested method of ignoring it and it will blow over.
Post by: Nev on July 13, 2021, 09:18:29 AM
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Post by: joe_c on July 13, 2021, 10:22:50 AM
Post by: Nev on July 13, 2021, 10:34:17 AM
Post by: p_ad on July 13, 2021, 10:49:39 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 13, 2021, 11:03:36 AM
The reaction of Warsi and Mercer is very telling. This is not about right or left, it's about right and wrong and a sense of common decency that has evaporated in the last few years.
100% correct
Post by: purpletrousers on July 13, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
Players come and players go but Mings, to me anyway, feels like he's always been part of the club's fabric.
Well said Joe. This and Jack conducting himself so well (acknowledging his past mistakes yes), ambassadors where it counts.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 13, 2021, 11:26:14 AM
The reaction of Warsi and Mercer is very telling. This is not about right or left, it's about right and wrong and a sense of common decency that has evaporated in the last few years.
100% correct
Agreed. I'd love to think a tide is turning.
Anyway, brilliant from Mings - he's one of us.
Post by: villa_cads on July 13, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Post by: Nev on July 13, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
The reaction of Warsi and Mercer is very telling. This is not about right or left, it's about right and wrong and a sense of common decency that has evaporated in the last few years.
100% correct
Agreed. I'd love to think a tide is turning.
Anyway, brilliant from Mings - he's one of us.
I'd love to think that was the case but the cynic in me still believes that come election day we'll just see the same result. That enough people are stupid, deluded or downright nasty enough to continue to vote for this awful administration, lead by such a terrible excuse for a human being.
The fact that we are here now, seeing our club captain challenging the Home Secratary on issues of race only confirms the worst fears of those who were so concerned about power being given to such ignorant and pernicious people.
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 13, 2021, 12:26:47 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 13, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
The actual wording of his tweet is so good - not a word wasted, or out of place, the message is crisp, clear, direct and wholly unambiguous.
Post by: Ad@m on July 13, 2021, 01:21:02 PM
Headline news on the BBC 1 o'clock news today, Tyrone sure has hit a target.
The actual wording of his tweet is so good - not a word wasted, or out of place, the message is crisp, clear, direct and wholly unambiguous.
And a predictably pathetic non-response from Patel, who doesn't think he, or anyone who agrees with him, is worthy of a retort.
Post by: Astral Weeks on July 13, 2021, 01:28:45 PM
I suspect that the vast majority of any online abuse Patel gets is not racist, it's because she's a ******Hear hear. Tyrone calling out Patel is just so good. I wonder how they’ll wriggle out of this one?
Patel has been subjected to racial abuse herself, so what she says is fine - apparently.
Not that I condone online abuse of anyone, obviously.
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2021, 01:30:06 PM
Hopefully they told the lying racist where to go.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 13, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Plans for a Downing St reception for the team have apparently been "shelved".
Hopefully they told the lying racist where to go.
More gesture politics is it?
Post by: Stu on July 13, 2021, 02:14:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2021, 02:22:46 PM
Then again, the interview was on that new Fox-Britain news channel, wasn't it? Clearly felt in good company to let her guard down...
Post by: dr.chekov on July 13, 2021, 02:39:03 PM
Plans for a Downing St reception for the team have apparently been "shelved".
Hopefully they told the lying racist where to go.
Ha, Boris running scared.
Don’t think I’ve ever admired a Villa player as much as I do Tyrone.
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 04:43:39 PM
Post by: Vegas on July 13, 2021, 05:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/coldwar_steve/status/1414884056358129664?s=21
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 05:38:26 PM
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
Thought this was brilliant
https://twitter.com/coldwar_steve/status/1414884056358129664?s=21
It's great, but what's the story with that creature (no Patel jokes, please)? I feel like I've missed a reference.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 05:56:38 PM
Lucky Ian the tapir, obviously. Fancy not knowing that!
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 06:00:05 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1414885396333441047
Lucky Ian the tapir, obviously. Fancy not knowing that!
Ah okay, I feel foolish now.
Why is Ian gnawing at Kalvin Phillips' groin?
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2021, 06:50:19 PM
Post by: Nev on July 13, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2021, 07:55:11 PM
“That's the kind of thing that ought to get him be unavailable to be picked for England for several matches. His home club should have a word with him too.”
The appalling grammar is his, not mine.
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
It's what tapirs do. Their diet is primarily nuts.
Nicely done, Brian 🙂
Post by: Thakur Baldev Singh on July 13, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
They are against Sikhs.
UTV
Post by: dr.chekov on July 13, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
Brexit dimwit Andrew Lilico has some advice for The Villa and England:
“That's the kind of thing that ought to get him be unavailable to be picked for England for several matches. His home club should have a word with him too.”
The appalling grammar is his, not mine.
He continues: “You shouldn't be able to go around accusing the Home Secretary to her face of stoking racism & still play for England without an apology, submission & period of being unavailable for selection. The world can't work like that.”
What would submission entail, I wonder? And then…
“If Jonny Bairstow or Jos Buttler publicly accused the Home Secretary of overseeing a paedophile ring, just because she disagreed with them over some piece of legislation, should they be able to continue to play for England?”
Ludicrous individual.
Post by: Villan82 on July 13, 2021, 08:37:53 PM
Post by: Thakur Baldev Singh on July 13, 2021, 08:40:26 PM
She is a supporter of
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh a right wing indian group.
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 08:40:46 PM
I THINK... I'm going to go with Tyrone, but ask me tomorrow and I might've changed my mind.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 13, 2021, 09:28:32 PM
Well done Tyrone , racist scum need calling out wherever or whoever they are.
I think that calling a British asian lady 'racist scum' in a debate about online abuse towards people over their colour is pretty myopic. Look under any of her posts on social media and you will not get far down before you see pretty unpleasant abuse much of which is racist. Terms like 'coconut' etc etc. I don't see much difference with it and the vile abuse our footballers have come in for this week. Online abuse is bad whoever it is aimed at. You can't dismiss her lived experience of racism because you dislike her, and because she has different views on how to combat racism.
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2021, 09:40:43 PM
Post by: malckennedy on July 13, 2021, 09:46:40 PM
Welcome Thakur. I have read about that secret society the RSS. They have to swear an oath never to pronounce the G on the ends of words. It is how they recognize each other.
Is Truss also a member?
Post by: BC Villain on July 13, 2021, 09:48:12 PM
Brexit dimwit Andrew Lilico has some advice for The Villa and England:
“That's the kind of thing that ought to get him be unavailable to be picked for England for several matches. His home club should have a word with him too.”
The appalling grammar is his, not mine.
Says a lot that he says "home club". Wouldn't know Tyrone Mings if he passed him in the street
Post by: Somniloquism on July 13, 2021, 09:48:36 PM
Brexit dimwit Andrew Lilico has some advice for The Villa and England:
“That's the kind of thing that ought to get him be unavailable to be picked for England for several matches. His home club should have a word with him too.”
The appalling grammar is his, not mine.
He continues: “You shouldn't be able to go around accusing the Home Secretary to her face of stoking racism & still play for England without an apology, submission & period of being unavailable for selection. The world can't work like that.”
What would submission entail, I wonder? And then…
“If Jonny Bairstow or Jos Buttler publicly accused the Home Secretary of overseeing a paedophile ring, just because she disagreed with them over some piece of legislation, should they be able to continue to play for England?”
Ludicrous individual.
What an obviously stupid Strawman argument. She had multiple opportunities to support an Anti Racist stance but instead said it was free speech to boo it as it was just Gesture Politics. These are the terms which the tweets have been sent on.
Personally I would also call her out on her publicity photos of her in an England shirt that started to appear after England were progressing when she also stated in the same interview "it was a choice for fans whether or not they booed and declined to say if she would do the same, adding: "I've never gone to a football match to even contemplate that.""
So she definitely does seem to know all about Gesture Politics trying to use Englands success to boost her brand.
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 09:53:08 PM
Brexit dimwit Andrew Lilico has some advice for The Villa and England:
“That's the kind of thing that ought to get him be unavailable to be picked for England for several matches. His home club should have a word with him too.”
The appalling grammar is his, not mine.
Says a lot that he says "home club". Wouldn't know Tyrone Mings if he passed him in the street
Nonsense, I've heard he's a regular down at the soccer races, his seat is near the pavilion and he never leaves before the final quarter.
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2021, 10:16:43 PM
Lilico is odious.
Sounds like a florist offshoot.
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
Post by: Rory on July 13, 2021, 11:13:03 PM
And he never misses a bully off Rory.
Absolutely, Brian, but I am told he often gives the umpires some grief when there's a deciding frame.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 13, 2021, 11:50:48 PM
Thought this was brilliant
https://twitter.com/coldwar_steve/status/1414884056358129664?s=21
Villa fan creating art starring Villa player.
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 14, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Tory MP's shouting out 'Labour Party member'.
I don't know whether Tyrone is a Labour Party member or not but clearly Tories acknowledging that they aren't capable of calling out racism when they see it.
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2021, 12:25:49 PM
Watching Prime Minister's Questions. Tyrone's twitter statement raised by Starmer.Why would it matter if someone is a Labour voter, a Tory or a Martian?
Tory MP's shouting out 'Labour Party member'.
I don't know whether Tyrone is a Labour Party member or not but clearly Tories acknowledging that they aren't capable of calling out racism when they see it.
Not being racist isn’t affiliated to one party
Oh fuck, I see what I have done there.
Post by: Nev on July 14, 2021, 12:40:45 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on July 14, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
The liar lied again as well, claiming that he did condemn the booing. The speaker didn't intervene of course and the lie is left to hang and be accepted as truth by his idiot supporters.
And his reply to the Home Secretaries responses last month is "she is racially abused you know". Surely it makes her responses even worse if she doesn't defend other peoples actions to bring it to the fore but hides away under "gesture politics" like pretending to watch football matches in an England Shirt.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 14, 2021, 02:03:12 PM
The liar lied again as well, claiming that he did condemn the booing. The speaker didn't intervene of course and the lie is left to hang and be accepted as truth by his idiot supporters.
Johnson initially totally refused to condemn booing spokesman saying he was "more focussed on action than gestures" but then after being rounded upon later conveniently said it was "totally wrong" to boo the team, so he can say what he said today.
I was with Ugandan diaspora socially yesterday, Caribbean/black British/African colleagues at work.
The terrible sadness of knowing if a pen was missed by a black payer what was coming.
How on earth have we ended up with an indubitably racist prime minister?
In case anyone has forgotten water melon smiles, the problem of the end of colonial control, aids-ridden choristers, flag-waving piccanninies https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/23/africa/boris-johnson-africa-intl/index.html
and of course the letter boxes/bank robber burka stuff, bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57829412
Oh and of course being a proven repeated liar, and entertaining the idea of facilitating a violent attack on a journalist by a 'friend'. https://youtu.be/p8JMtYlzzoM
"you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?"
Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2021, 02:42:40 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 14, 2021, 02:55:58 PM
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 14, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
Plans for a Downing St reception for the team have apparently been "shelved".
Hopefully they told the lying racist where to go.
Ha, Boris running scared.
Don’t think I’ve ever admired a Villa player as much as I do Tyrone.
Possibly "shelved" it because certain members of the squad would've refused to attend causing huge embarrassment.
Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2021, 03:24:38 PM
Plans for a Downing St reception for the team have apparently been "shelved".
Hopefully they told the lying racist where to go.
Ha, Boris running scared.
Don’t think I’ve ever admired a Villa player as much as I do Tyrone.
Possibly "shelved" it because certain members of the squad would've refused to attend causing huge embarrassment.
Exactly. If nothing else this England team have changed something which is actually better than winning the Euros. And Ty is the leader ❤️
Post by: p_ad on July 14, 2021, 03:38:52 PM
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2021, 03:42:42 PM
Yes, I’m sure all of the ****** who post their racist shit attend games
Post by: Nev on July 14, 2021, 03:48:24 PM
Online racist abusers to be banned from attending matches.
Yes, I’m sure all of the ****** who post their racist shit attend games
It was just a headline grabbing load of old shit for the Liar to say at PMQ's.
The Tories are in a hole of their own making having to pander to the very people that they are now claiming they will clamp down on. Online, at the match or wherever, they need to look closer to home first, as the incumbent party in power they must lead by example but having built that power by appealing to peoples base instinct, occupying the territory of the NF/BNP and UKIP, what do they do? We knew the answer before the election and we know the answer now. They will do whatever it takes.
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Post by: German James on July 14, 2021, 03:55:33 PM
Occupying the territory of the NF. Have a day off Nev, eh?Not "occupying the territory", but certainly making themselves an attractive option for supporters of those groups.
Post by: Ducksworthy on July 14, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
Occupying the territory of the NF. Have a day off Nev, eh?
I mean, can you honestly say this is a recognisably Tory government? They’re a hard right parody of themselves now - even John Major has been distancing himself from them in the last few days. They’re going down an increasingly dark road and seemingly don’t even care to hide it anymore.
But this is the Tyrone Mings thread so I’ll leave it there and say how thoroughly proud I am of him - consistently eloquent, thoughtful and a leader.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 14, 2021, 04:48:22 PM
Online racist abusers to be banned from attending matches.
Yes, I’m sure all of the ****** who post their racist shit attend games
It was just a headline grabbing load of old shit for the Liar to say at PMQ's.
Definitely "gesture politics" from the PM there. Does it only have to be online racist abuse of footballers for that to happen? What happens when it is sexual or homophobic abuse? How about if it is somebody racially abusing someone not in Football but who still goes to matches?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 14, 2021, 05:49:57 PM
Occupying the territory of the NF. Have a day off Nev, eh?
I saw your response Risso before Nev's comment, so was expecting something out of order, but what Nev has written is pretty measured.
I truly wish we could pick him up on stuff like the Prime Minster not being a (renown) liar, there is more bizarre stuff out there around his relationship with speaking the truth. I think the fact he is widely recognised to have (repeatedly) made racist comments is also beyond discussion. Links to all of this above.
It's 30years ago, but not closing down a school friend keen to dole out violence?
"On the taped call, Guppy tells Johnson he wants to scare Collier by getting heavies to give him “a couple of black eyes” and a “cracked rib”. Appearing to indicate he is happy to help supply Collier’s address, Johnson is heard saying at the end of the call: “OK, Darry, I said I’ll do it. I’ll do it, don’t worry.”
even if he was humouring him - which is a very convenient defence I'm not sure I believe - what sort of person doesn't challenge
an allegedly distressed friend's plans to beat up a journalist, instead at least says that?
I'd never read of the journalist's fear for his young child and wife till i just saw this now
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/14/black-eyes-boris-johnson-plot-attack-reporter-darius-guppy
I think the distinction between occupying far right territory and attracting their supporters, in this well publicised context is minimal.
I know we come from different places politically Risso, but the reality is there are many traditional conservatives deeply uncomfortable with the leaderships gesture politics, precisely because of attracting those that used to need to go to extreme parties.
This is the leadership of our country today.
This is the context in which an Aston Villa central defender has to (eloquently) call out the hypocrisy of the Home Secretary. It could have been the PM.
(also, not aimed at you Risso, lets save the football isn't/shouldn't be political argument, save me digging up the Villa in Nazi germany refusing the salute news clipping eh?)
Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2021, 06:38:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2021, 08:37:42 PM
Tyrone for Prime Minister 🙌
Fuck that, he's a far more important job to do already.
Post by: colin69 on July 14, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2021, 09:04:50 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Post by: colin69 on July 14, 2021, 09:13:26 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Hahahah so witty!!!!
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2021, 09:15:30 PM
Post by: danno on July 14, 2021, 09:17:24 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2021, 09:29:09 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
I'd be really intrigued to see some examples of the shit but you appeared to have bottled out of actually quoting anything, I wonder why.
Post by: malckennedy on July 14, 2021, 09:30:24 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Hahahah so witty!!!!
So insightful!!!!!
Post by: john e on July 14, 2021, 09:38:43 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
What you on about ‘these days’
I’ve been posting shite on here since 2005
Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2021, 09:40:52 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
You don't think his role at the Villa is more important?
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2021, 09:42:16 PM
Crikey, it feels much, much longer ;)There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
What you on about ‘these days’
I’ve been posting shite on here since 2005
Post by: john e on July 14, 2021, 09:49:09 PM
Crikey, it feels much, much longer ;)There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
What you on about ‘these days’
I’ve been posting shite on here since 2005
I stuck around so long when I realised I was not the only one
Post by: Rory on July 14, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
There really is some shite posted on this forum these days.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
LOL, as the kids probably no longer say.
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 14, 2021, 10:22:32 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 15, 2021, 02:08:41 PM
I am a Credit Manager (someone has to be). I should stick to chasing cash and leave the politics. My bin collector should focus on refuse salvation and leave the politics. Thinking about it, just about everyone eligible to vote that has a job should stick to their jobs and leave the politics.' See he is right, there is some right shit posted on here these days.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 15, 2021, 02:20:30 PM
Post by: Mike Jeffries on July 17, 2021, 08:02:42 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 06:20:24 PM
Ashely Young would be first choice but he may not always be in the team though think he'll be very much involved.
Tyrone though think has the attributes to lead the team
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 06:38:08 PM
shorturl.at/dvHS1
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 07:13:48 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2021, 07:26:30 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 31, 2021, 07:48:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
Mings would be a great captain, and deserves the position. For all his immense ability as a player, and albeit a Villa fan, Grealish has never really been a natural captain, in my view, on or off the pitch.100% agree
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2021, 08:25:52 PM
Nah. Meatball.Mings would be a great captain, and deserves the position. For all his immense ability as a player, and albeit a Villa fan, Grealish has never really been a natural captain, in my view, on or off the pitch.100% agree
Post by: tommy smart on July 31, 2021, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Ian. on July 31, 2021, 08:31:32 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcarchive/status/1421435175674712064?s=21
Post by: Ian. on July 31, 2021, 08:32:15 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 08:33:55 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
Meatballs is too daft to be captain, he’s more like our court jester. Anyone see his nutmeg celebration today? He’s absolute bonkers!
https://twitter.com/avfcarchive/status/1421435175674712064?s=21
That's brilliant. What a loon.
Post by: Ian. on July 31, 2021, 08:55:58 PM
He must be great to have around.Meatballs is too daft to be captain, he’s more like our court jester. Anyone see his nutmeg celebration today? He’s absolute bonkers!
https://twitter.com/avfcarchive/status/1421435175674712064?s=21
That's brilliant. What a loon.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 31, 2021, 09:23:49 PM
Meatballs is too daft to be captain, he’s more like our court jester. Anyone see his nutmeg celebration today? He’s absolute bonkers!
https://twitter.com/avfcarchive/status/1421435175674712064?s=21
That's brilliant. What a loon.
Not to mention https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1421502096831098884
Post by: Hockley Lion on August 01, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Tyrone Mings: England defender's mental health 'plummeted' in build-up to Euro 2020 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58051349
Post by: Ian. on August 01, 2021, 11:42:23 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2021, 11:46:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2021, 11:47:47 PM
He should be captain, regardless of whether Jack stays or go - he's a born leader.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 01, 2021, 11:51:05 PM
More of Tyrone dealing with the issues.
Tyrone Mings: England defender's mental health 'plummeted' in build-up to Euro 2020 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58051349
Love him. Helps keep perspective of who (& what) really matters for their impact on the nation’s well being too (whilst riding the Jack will-he-won’t-he rollercoaster)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 06:33:06 AM
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 02, 2021, 08:25:19 AM
Meatballs is too daft to be captain, he’s more like our court jester. Anyone see his nutmeg celebration today? He’s absolute bonkers!
https://twitter.com/avfcarchive/status/1421435175674712064?s=21
That's brilliant. What a loon.
Not to mention https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1421502096831098884
That has really cheered me up this morning, thank you
Post by: Hockley Lion on August 02, 2021, 09:10:43 AM
He has my total respect and sympathy for talking about these issues, but why the fuck is he doing interviews with the Sun?
That raised and eyebrow with me too. Perhaps it's the sun's readership demographic he's trying to reach.
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 09:10:44 AM
He has my total respect and sympathy for talking about these issues, but why the fuck is he doing interviews with the Sun?
Well, if it helps spread the message so that some of their typical readership have a better understanding of such issues, then I'd say it's OK. It's not like he's just talking about a new car or where he's off to on holiday or anything.
Post by: Smithy on August 02, 2021, 10:27:35 AM
Agree with Paddy. Right thing. Very much the wrong newspaper. Had he never heard of their Hillsborough fans pissing on dead fans bodies CV?
I have a friend who worked in marketing at the FA when Sven was England manager, and he was always slagging off The Sun, because the modus operandi was always to find something salacious, then 'blackmail' the players into doing an exclusive with them to help position it correctly. Many times the England 'branding' team had plans altered because suddenly they all had to do something 'exclusive' with The Sun because they had something on one of the squad.
It makes me wonder if they found out something about Tyrone (do with him getting therapy) and this interview is the way he gets to control the narrative?
Post by: villa for life on August 02, 2021, 10:33:28 AM
This may well have always been the case, but I think the difference this season is that we’ll see it stated by coaches in a very transparent way.
Bigger squads maybe needed.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 10:37:12 AM
Agree with Paddy. Right thing. Very much the wrong newspaper. Had he never heard of their Hillsborough fans pissing on dead fans bodies CV?
I have a friend who worked in marketing at the FA when Sven was England manager, and he was always slagging off The Sun, because the modus operandi was always to find something salacious, then 'blackmail' the players into doing an exclusive with them to help position it correctly. Many times the England 'branding' team had plans altered because suddenly they all had to do something 'exclusive' with The Sun because they had something on one of the squad.
It makes me wonder if they found out something about Tyrone (do with him getting therapy) and this interview is the way he gets to control the narrative?
That sounds depressingly plausible.
Post by: Smithy on August 02, 2021, 11:12:47 AM
I think this will be the season when we see players unavailable for selection not only due to physical injuries, but also for mental health reasons.
This may well have always been the case, but I think the difference this season is that we’ll see it stated by coaches in a very transparent way.
Bigger squads maybe needed.
I wouldn't be averse to that becoming an accepted part of the game. Think how many times we've watched a player perform well below their normal standard, and think they just had a bad game - what if they'd been struggling mentally, but didn't have the mechanism to report it to the club, at least not without huge stigma attached? What if another player could have come in for them and performed better on that day?
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
It is certainly how they operate. If they find out, for example, that a player is seeing a psychologist then they contact the player and say they have a choice - either give them an exclusive or see them run the story without the chance to 'put their side of the story'.Agree with Paddy. Right thing. Very much the wrong newspaper. Had he never heard of their Hillsborough fans pissing on dead fans bodies CV?
I have a friend who worked in marketing at the FA when Sven was England manager, and he was always slagging off The Sun, because the modus operandi was always to find something salacious, then 'blackmail' the players into doing an exclusive with them to help position it correctly. Many times the England 'branding' team had plans altered because suddenly they all had to do something 'exclusive' with The Sun because they had something on one of the squad.
It makes me wonder if they found out something about Tyrone (do with him getting therapy) and this interview is the way he gets to control the narrative?
It's a stitch up as the player (celeb or even Royalty) know they are backed into a corner, though doing an exclusive allows a modest amount of control over what is released.
The tabloids prefer the 'exclusive' option as well as it can be spun that the sportsman or whoever favours them and even if lots of people like to read what is published it is not a good look to have caught out someone struggling with an issue and printing the details without their consent.
Shabby stuff, but stock in trade for tabloid owners and those that do their bidding.
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2021, 12:09:44 PM
I think this will be the season when we see players unavailable for selection not only due to physical injuries, but also for mental health reasons.
This may well have always been the case, but I think the difference this season is that we’ll see it stated by coaches in a very transparent way.
Bigger squads maybe needed.
I wouldn't be averse to that becoming an accepted part of the game. Think how many times we've watched a player perform well below their normal standard, and think they just had a bad game - what if they'd been struggling mentally, but didn't have the mechanism to report it to the club, at least not without huge stigma attached? What if another player could have come in for them and performed better on that day?
There's definitely been a few Villa players that could've done with mental health being taken seriously.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 02, 2021, 05:32:27 PM
Yep. V obvious one, and he might be on here, but a Consultant Psychiatrist I worked with occasionally around the time took the time to write to Gregory about Collymore. I don’t remember him mentioning hearing back from him.I think this will be the season when we see players unavailable for selection not only due to physical injuries, but also for mental health reasons.
This may well have always been the case, but I think the difference this season is that we’ll see it stated by coaches in a very transparent way.
Bigger squads maybe needed.
I wouldn't be averse to that becoming an accepted part of the game. Think how many times we've watched a player perform well below their normal standard, and think they just had a bad game - what if they'd been struggling mentally, but didn't have the mechanism to report it to the club, at least not without huge stigma attached? What if another player could have come in for them and performed better on that day?
There's definitely been a few Villa players that could've done with mental health being taken seriously.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2021, 06:10:40 PM
I have a friend who worked in marketing at the FA when Sven was England manager, and he was always slagging off The Sun, because the modus operandi was always to find something salacious, then 'blackmail' the players into doing an exclusive with them to help position it correctly. Many times the England 'branding' team had plans altered because suddenly they all had to do something 'exclusive' with The Sun because they had something on one of the squad.
I heard a similar story from a NOTW journalist that involved a certain MOTD presenter.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 03, 2021, 10:18:30 AM
I have a friend who worked in marketing at the FA when Sven was England manager, and he was always slagging off The Sun, because the modus operandi was always to find something salacious, then 'blackmail' the players into doing an exclusive with them to help position it correctly. Many times the England 'branding' team had plans altered because suddenly they all had to do something 'exclusive' with The Sun because they had something on one of the squad.
I heard a similar story from a NOTW journalist that involved a certain MOTD presenter.
The S*n have got him by the bollocks really. Its either co-operate or be attacked. Mings is astute to know of the reputation of the paper with football fans but I think he probably found himself in an impossible situation. Anyway, the news that MH is having such an impact of top sports stars while the olympics is on, can only help spread the word.
Post by: CT on August 03, 2021, 06:51:00 PM
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Post by: Mellin on August 03, 2021, 10:46:45 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2021, 11:36:54 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 04, 2021, 11:28:07 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 04, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
All hail to hopefully our new skipper! :)
He already was without the title.
Post by: manic-road on August 04, 2021, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2021, 05:02:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:04:15 PM
Post by: Mellin on August 04, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
Post by: LukeJames on August 04, 2021, 08:19:57 PM
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
Leader of men, on and off the pitch.
Yep. While having Grealish as captain was good PR in one sense, Tyrone would be good PR in an altogether more important and profound way.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 04, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
Perfect captain material.
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2021, 08:49:46 PM
Post by: CT on August 04, 2021, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
Probably the easiest decision Smith will have to make this summer.Indeed
Post by: Mellin on August 04, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
I think it'll go the other way and bring the best out of him. Extra responsibility = increased focus.
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
Post by: john e on August 04, 2021, 09:10:03 PM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
Tend to agree with you there Clampy
Just let him concentrate on his job
Post by: dicedlam on August 04, 2021, 09:11:00 PM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
I tend to agree with Clampy too.
Yes, Mings is a leader on and off the pitch but still capable of moments of madness during a game that could end up being costly. I would go with McGinn too.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 09:11:31 PM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
The only extra responsibility is calling heads/tails. He's been the leader on the pitch for the last 2 1/2 years regardless of who was wearing the armband.
Post by: Border villan on August 04, 2021, 09:12:08 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 05, 2021, 12:13:58 AM
Unless you’re Danny Mills of course. Then it’s just time to “man up”.
Been loads of complaints to ofcom about Mills' comments. Rightly so as well. Utterly despicable thing to say
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 12:17:06 AM
Unless you’re Danny Mills of course. Then it’s just time to “man up”.
What's this story?
Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
Unless you’re Danny Mills of course. Then it’s just time to “man up”.
What's this story?
I didn't hear the broadcast. But it was him responding to Mings talking about his mental health.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2021, 12:21:13 AM
Unless you’re Danny Mills of course. Then it’s just time to “man up”.
What's this story?
I didn't hear the broadcast. But it was him responding to Mings talking about his mental health.
He really is one of the biggest c***s out there.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 12:35:33 AM
Post by: wince on August 05, 2021, 01:08:54 AM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
100% this. As long term sufferer of mental health I've heard the man up, just get on with it etc all my life. Mings has gone up massively to me and given he is one of my fave players I hope he gets support he needs and continues to lead us as our new skipper.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2021, 06:18:27 AM
What a ****.
Post by: Dave P on August 05, 2021, 06:25:49 AM
I thought I could not dislike Danny Mills more, I have just found out I can.
What a ****.
There is always an opportunity to dislike Danny Mills more.
Post by: clash city rocker on August 05, 2021, 08:08:07 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2021, 08:20:15 AM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
The only extra responsibility is calling heads/tails. He's been the leader on the pitch for the last 2 1/2 years regardless of who was wearing the armband.
Correct.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2021, 09:56:33 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on August 05, 2021, 10:08:37 AM
I'm sure Mills wouldnt want to bump into our Tyrone
indeed, but I'm sure that Tyrone would love to "bump" into Mills...
UTV
The Doc
Post by: dave shelley on August 05, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
The erudite versus the ignorant.
Post by: clash city rocker on August 05, 2021, 03:44:52 PM
What I'd like to see is both of them in a studio sat opposite each other and Tyrone saying ' now Danny, please explain'
The erudite versus the ignorant.
Mills should have his contract torn up and then be dropped into the nearest cesspit..That wanker steals a living....By the way. Who the fuck is Danny mills ?.
Post by: mike on August 05, 2021, 11:53:23 PM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Post by: Rory on August 05, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
I can see why people think he would be a good choice, but I think I'd rather let him concentrate on his defensive duties rather than having the extra responsibility of being captain. I'd possibly give it McGinn.
The only extra responsibility is calling heads/tails. He's been the leader on the pitch for the last 2 1/2 years regardless of who was wearing the armband.
100% Paul.
I'm amazed so many people heard/have an opinion on anything Mills says. He's about as useful and relevant as a condom in a nunnery.
Post by: Rory on August 05, 2021, 11:59:31 PM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Seriously?
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 11:59:37 PM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
FFS.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 06, 2021, 12:01:37 AM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Sorry to hear this Mike. Dependent on the context etc, if you’d like any support in following this up (even in the interest of others not getting inappropriate comments) please feel free to get in touch, constructive feedback is sometimes the only way some things change. (Edit/PS Mental health being my trade)
Post by: Rory on August 06, 2021, 12:03:32 AM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Sorry to hear this Mike. Dependent on the context etc, if you’d like any support in following this up (even in the interest of others mot getting inappropriate comments) please feel free to get in touch, constructive feedback is sometimes the only way some things change.
Agreed. I'm on anti-depressants and in therapy for substance 'misuse'. You're amongst friends here, Mike. No doctor should be talking shit like that.
Post by: mike on August 06, 2021, 04:41:48 AM
Post by: CT on August 06, 2021, 06:11:37 AM
What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Sorry to hear this Mike. Dependent on the context etc, if you’d like any support in following this up (even in the interest of others not getting inappropriate comments) please feel free to get in touch, constructive feedback is sometimes the only way some things change. (Edit/PS Mental health being my trade)
When I finally opened up to my GP, he said “You’re the second one already today”.
I’ve known him for 20 years.
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 06, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2021, 11:10:03 AM
Tyrone Mings trolling @England on Twitter is a beautiful thing
What's he said?
Post by: robbo1874 on August 07, 2021, 11:54:36 AM
i had a bit of a wobble earlier this year. Long story short, got sent to see my GP and it was a similar outcome ‘ things can’t be that bad, think of your kids’ cheers, will do.What an absolute prick. One of my recent bugbears is people lecturing people with mental health about how they should just get on with it or are attention seeking. Saw quite a lot of people coming out with the same sort of shit about Simone Biles, too. Utter twats.
I got told to man up by a doctor last year.
Sorry to hear this Mike. Dependent on the context etc, if you’d like any support in following this up (even in the interest of others mot getting inappropriate comments) please feel free to get in touch, constructive feedback is sometimes the only way some things change.
Agreed. I'm on anti-depressants and in therapy for substance 'misuse'. You're amongst friends here, Mike. No doctor should be talking shit like that.
Post by: p_ad on August 07, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 07, 2021, 01:54:44 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2021, 03:54:26 PM
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2021, 04:08:57 PM
On a lighter note, I see on Twitter that Tyrone now adorns the North Stand.Link? Couldn’t find it myself.
Post by: danno on August 07, 2021, 04:21:20 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2021, 04:43:00 PM
I saw a pic, but it was an obvious photoshop job.
He doesn't, at least not yet.
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Post by: KRS on August 07, 2021, 05:29:35 PM
Post by: algy on August 08, 2021, 07:52:30 AM
Post by: andyh on August 11, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
He is so eloquent, intelligent and interesting.
A true captain and leader.
https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF9oejdic2J5ZiU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk
Post by: Ad@m on August 11, 2021, 09:31:33 PM
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 11, 2021, 09:43:57 PM
That’s a great interview. He’s a credit to the club.
He is and Michelle avoided most of the fluff questions. She knows her football.
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2021, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2021, 12:04:07 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1426498844137828353?s=21
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 12:04:40 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 14, 2021, 12:10:24 PM
An image of him holding up the FA Cup has just flickered in my mind
I really should know better by now!
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 12:15:06 PM
Congratulations Tyrone, and much deserved! X
An image of him holding up the FA Cup has just flickered in my mind
I really should know better by now!
Not at all. This year is definitely our year.*
*Possibly might not be, again.
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 14, 2021, 12:22:03 PM
I’d say “ do us proud “ Ty, but I know you will anyway
Post by: Ger Regan on August 14, 2021, 12:30:58 PM
Didn't I read, presumably on here, that he didn't want to be captain?I think someone wondered if that might be the case, but with no real basis.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 14, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
Who is voce captain now i wonder? Id imagine it be between konsa mcginn and martinez
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
"We didn’t start the first game of the season anywhere near where we wanted to, but the result doesn’t overshadow my overwhelming feeling of pride at being made captain of this great football club.
Ever since I arrived I’ve been made to feel part of the club by everyone connected to it. You fans have treated me like one of your own. The manager has placed a lot of faith in me by signing me on loan & now entrusting me with the armband. So for that, I’m extremely thankful.
I have tried to embody the strong principles and values that have run through long before me, and will continue long after me. I’ve no doubt we will continue to make you fans proud, as footballers but also as role models."
Post by: algy on August 15, 2021, 07:56:23 PM
Mcginn was announced as ViceSurely it's got to be Curcic, Yorke, or Bozzie on vice?
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2021, 10:03:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2021, 10:42:33 PM
Congratulations Tyrone, and much deserved! X
An image of him holding up the FA Cup has just flickered in my mind
I really should know better by now!
Not at all. This year is definitely our year.*
I don't want to come across like those needy, entitled Scab 6 fans so I'm content to wait till 2024 and win it during our 150th anniversary year.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2021, 11:35:08 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on August 16, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2021, 08:56:41 AM
Needs to up his game as well. Got beaten in the air too often. Only guy who did a decent job in the back 4 on Saturday was Konsa
Yep, thought he was fairly poor overall. Far too casual for their second when he stuck out his boot, and resorted to aimless long punts out of defence much too often.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2021, 11:35:12 PM
Needs to up his game as well. Got beaten in the air too often. Only guy who did a decent job in the back 4 on Saturday was Konsa
Yep, thought he was fairly poor overall. Far too casual for their second when he stuck out his boot, and resorted to aimless long punts out of defence much too often.
Of all and every central defender on the premier league to have played 5 or more games last season 48% of Tyrone Mings passes were made forward.
That was the joint highest amount of passes forward along with James Tarks of Burnley.
Not back not sideways. But forwards.
That is higher than any other defender other than Burnley James Tarkowski.
The link here is Dean Smith. He's taught both of them to
play majority of the ball when they have it to pass the ball forward
Impressive.
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2021, 11:36:27 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
And therefore 48% of Mings passes last season were forward.
So all the other defenders were passing back or sideways at a higher rate than Mings.
I'm not talking about accuracy or amount just direction pass was made and completed .
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 07:33:55 AM
Needs to up his game as well. Got beaten in the air too often. Only guy who did a decent job in the back 4 on Saturday was Konsa
Yep, thought he was fairly poor overall. Far too casual for their second when he stuck out his boot, and resorted to aimless long punts out of defence much too often.
Problem with his points forward, invariably last season Watkins would get to them, hold it, and give it to Jack, who would almost always keep it while the team pushed up. Ings has to do that job and learn the out ball, get hold and keep it. We then need a Buendia or Bailey supporting that can keep the ball.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 07:49:40 AM
Needs to up his game as well. Got beaten in the air too often. Only guy who did a decent job in the back 4 on Saturday was Konsa
I think we can safely say they all need to up their game. No point starting on Mings. They were all a crock of shit that first half.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2021, 11:20:51 AM
The assist for the Ings wonder goal was first class and the attempt at goal for winning penalty shows what an effective and danger player he can be.
Was concerned to see all the heavy strapping he has cover in underneath and seems to be carrying on without 100% fitness.
Martinez was giving him a real talking too about keeping going as he was getting treatment.
Like soldier at war for one last push
Only concern was the way he tried to play the ref after McGinn fouled (not given) and Wilson went through on goal where Ty stops.
To me the crowd being back influenced some of the players early on as adrenaline was raised and tackles flying in
Ref was seeming to say you can all foul and played were stoked.
Mings was gesturing towards the ref while Wilson going through on goal.
The extra responsibility for Tyrone is something he deals with but can add pressure for any player.
But I felt he was just superb generally and dealt with Wilson who was being a pain as much as a threat in his antics
I can see TM getting 5+ goals this season.
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2021, 11:25:20 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 27, 2021, 03:18:51 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/Mings-Captaincy-is-a-huge-honour/
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Hope he's back well for Chelsea
Heard broken rib
Post by: Demitri_C on August 28, 2021, 07:23:48 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 09:17:42 PM
Post by: CT on August 30, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
Cracked ribs, he has to rest, simple as that. There’s no quick fix, there’s no way he should play any games for England.
Any light fitness stuff can be done at BMH.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:43:17 AM
He was in the car in front of me getting away from the ground in one of those Lambo SUVs.
What were you doing in a Lambo? 😁
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
He was in the car in front of me getting away from the ground in one of those Lambo SUVs.
What were you doing in a Lambo? 😁
Slumming it.
Post by: Vegas on August 31, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
I cracked two ribs doing taekwondo many moons ago. The doctor told me three weeks of no contact and minimal involvement. Rest and painkillers, no quick fix. Sneezing fucking killed!
Like many of us I’m sure, I’ve had quite a lot of injuries from various sports over the years. Broken ribs was by far the most painful during recovery (surprisingly the initial injury didn’t really hurt that much). But rolling over in bed, getting up, coughing etc all induced absolute agony for a couple of weeks.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2021, 03:10:07 PM
laughingI cracked two ribs doing taekwondo many moons ago. The doctor told me three weeks of no contact and minimal involvement. Rest and painkillers, no quick fix. Sneezing fucking killed!
Like many of us I’m sure, I’ve had quite a lot of injuries from various sports over the years. Broken ribs was by far the most painful during recovery (surprisingly the initial injury didn’t really hurt that much). But rolling over in bed, getting up, coughing etc all induced absolute agony for a couple of weeks.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 31, 2021, 03:35:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2021, 06:14:41 PM
I've broken a considerable number of bones over the years, and they all pale into insignificance compared to the pain of broken / cracked ribs. A sudden sneeze was like a hand grenade going off in my chest. The pain was so great I couldn't even cry out.....
yep, I've had a lot of injuries and that's one of 3 that I'd say were the worst alongside a torn pectoral and a torn muscle in my hand/thumb. In all 3 cases the problem is because of the amount of tiny movements in those areas all the time that you don't even consider normally.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
Agonising!
Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
Post by: CT on August 31, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Has Mings joined up with the England squad? Not fit last weekend for Villa!
I really don’t understand why Tyrone is joining up with England.
Cracked ribs, he has to rest, simple as that. There’s no quick fix, there’s no way he should play any games for England.
Any light fitness stuff can be done at BMH.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2021, 10:19:53 PM
I've broken a considerable number of bones over the years, and they all pale into insignificance compared to the pain of broken / cracked ribs. A sudden sneeze was like a hand grenade going off in my chest. The pain was so great I couldn't even cry out.....
Oh I could. Skiing accident, the all clear and huge bill from a Swiss doctor. It was when I got back home and realised I now had a bad case of Tourettes that I got checked again and told I had a cracked rib. F*****g agony!
Post by: CT on September 01, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 05, 2021, 03:21:37 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on September 05, 2021, 07:18:01 PM
Out for the next Match due to his Yellow Card. Good news for us seen as we haven't had much good come from this pathetic International Break for a Tournament that should be illegal
Us?
Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
Out for the next Match due to his Yellow Card. Good news for us seen as we haven't had much good come from this pathetic International Break for a Tournament that should be illegal
Us?
Chortle.
Post by: p_ad on September 05, 2021, 07:27:33 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 05, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
As they are obsessed with Villa
Post by: brian green on September 05, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 07, 2021, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: CT on September 07, 2021, 11:21:09 AM
At least he won't get injured playing for England now he's got a one match ban.
True, he’ll probably get injured walking his dog.
Post by: Moonraker on September 07, 2021, 11:55:10 AM
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Post by: Risso on September 11, 2021, 08:43:47 PM
How many points will he cost us this season?
If he plays like that, loads. I can take getting beat if a world class player like Lukaku does something brilliant, but Mings under no real pressure just handed them the easiest chance they will ever get.
Post by: Legion on September 11, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 11, 2021, 10:31:04 PM
Which is why im surprised that Konsa has not had a call up, only reason why Tyrone has I suspect is because he is left footed.
Needs to cut these mistakes out though as they cost us points every season
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2021, 10:54:38 PM
Not for England though, does seem to have a mistake up his sleeve for us though.
Which is why im surprised that Konsa has not had a call up, only reason why Tyrone has I suspect is because he is left footed.
Needs to cut these mistakes out though as they cost us points every season
90% of England matches though are gimmes against vastly inferior opposition.
Post by: mr underhill on September 12, 2021, 07:20:46 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2021, 08:15:28 AM
Mings should start concentrating on his day job and stop proselytizing at every available opportunity.
Bollocks.
Post by: Richard E on September 12, 2021, 08:30:52 AM
He is rather prone to dropping the odd clanger.
At a rate of about one a match, unfortunately.
Post by: Vegas on September 12, 2021, 08:31:11 AM
In terms of Mings the player, I think it’s pretty obvious to most of us what the deal is: a great presence, good pace, good in the air, pretty good distribution, but prone to lapses in concentration which can be costly. It would be great if we had all the positives without the mistakes, but then he’d be a £60m+ defender not a £25m one.
Champions league teams tend to buy £60m+ defenders.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 12, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
Yeah, two totally unrelated things. I suspect that linking them may be more to do with people’s own personal politics than anything rational. I think he’s a legend for the way he conducts himself off the pitch, but I still have question marks over him as a player if we want to challenge for top 6 / top 4.
In terms of Mings the player, I think it’s pretty obvious to most of us what the deal is: a great presence, good pace, good in the air, pretty good distribution, but prone to lapses in concentration which can be costly. It would be great if we had all the positives without the mistakes, but then he’d be a £60m+ defender not a £25m one.
Champions league teams tend to buy £60m+ defenders.
We're not a cl team, we won't be challenging for top 4 or 6 this season (our transfer business put paid to that) and he's not a £25m player any longer. Villa fans would be going mad if someone came in and offered that.
I think the bold bit is a good summation. Mistakes happen though (who doesn't make mistakes?) I'd prefer to think of the number of points he's saved us and contributed to us winning (15 clean sheets was it last season?)
He is just what Aston Villa needs on and off the pitch. It seems some people having a pop at him are the types who like to dish it out but don't like it when someone like Tyrone stands up to them and says it like it is. Keyboard warriors who don't like it when the tables are turned.
Keep up the good work Tyrone, you certainly have my support.
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2021, 09:28:37 AM
Yeah, two totally unrelated things. I suspect that linking them may be more to do with people’s own personal politics than anything rational. I think he’s a legend for the way he conducts himself off the pitch, but I still have question marks over him as a player if we want to challenge for top 6 / top 4.
In terms of Mings the player, I think it’s pretty obvious to most of us what the deal is: a great presence, good pace, good in the air, pretty good distribution, but prone to lapses in concentration which can be costly. It would be great if we had all the positives without the mistakes, but then he’d be a £60m+ defender not a £25m one.
Champions league teams tend to buy £60m+ defenders.
Konsa doesn't make anywhere near as many unforced errors as Mings does.
Post by: wince on September 12, 2021, 11:14:06 AM
Mings should start concentrating on his day job and stop proselytizing at every available opportunity.
Bollocks.
Completely agree. Same shit gets levelled at Lewis Hamilton on social media. Maybe we should have more faith in our squad and also call out players who are paid to bury chances but spoon them. But those players are perhaps not “virtue signalling “.
Mings does have a few clangers in his game but we should be proud of having an intelligent captain trying to make a difference in a game where sections are happy to boo players taking the knee. Maybe the pressures of racism in the game is affecting his performance especially if whenever a black player calls it out they are accused of virtue signalling or being woke.
The forwards are just as much to blame for yesterday in not burying chances.
Post by: Vegas on September 12, 2021, 11:20:23 AM
Yeah, two totally unrelated things. I suspect that linking them may be more to do with people’s own personal politics than anything rational. I think he’s a legend for the way he conducts himself off the pitch, but I still have question marks over him as a player if we want to challenge for top 6 / top 4.
In terms of Mings the player, I think it’s pretty obvious to most of us what the deal is: a great presence, good pace, good in the air, pretty good distribution, but prone to lapses in concentration which can be costly. It would be great if we had all the positives without the mistakes, but then he’d be a £60m+ defender not a £25m one.
Champions league teams tend to buy £60m+ defenders.
Konsa doesn't make anywhere near as many unforced errors as Mings does.
Yep, agree, and I think Konsa’s better and probably worth more. But that doesn’t mean Mings is awful.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 12, 2021, 11:37:01 AM
Mings should start concentrating on his day job and stop proselytizing at every available opportunity.
Bollocks.
Completely agree. Same shit gets levelled at Lewis Hamilton on social media. Maybe we should have more faith in our squad and also call out players who are paid to bury chances but spoon them. But those players are perhaps not “virtue signalling “.
Mings does have a few clangers in his game but we should be proud of having an intelligent captain trying to make a difference in a game where sections are happy to boo players taking the knee. Maybe the pressures of racism in the game is affecting his performance especially if whenever a black player calls it out they are accused of virtue signalling or being woke.
The forwards are just as much to blame for yesterday in not burying chances.
That is always an issue. A defender or goalkeepers mistake is 80% a goal to the opposition. An attackers mistake is a miss and is taken as part of the normal game over 90 minutes.
Post by: mr underhill on September 12, 2021, 11:40:13 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 12, 2021, 11:49:48 AM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
It's equally remarkable how many people cite freedom of speech yet think their own views shouldn't be criticised.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 12, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Freedom of speech and expression is mentioned by the very same people who castigate Tyrone for freedom of speech and expression.
People can't have it both ways.
Comment on his abilities as a footballer, leave everything else out of it.
Post by: clash city rocker on September 12, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 12, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
If Sexual Ealing had said you should be banned for this and you had been, that would be curtailing of your free speech (although it wouldn't as this is a private site run by private individuals so they can do what they like). Ealing thinking your opinion is bollocks is a valid expression of his free speech.
It would be nice to know what problems you have with Mings off - pitch proselytizing and how you think him stopping it would improve his game though? Do you honestly think that when the ball came to him in the 49th minute, his mind was on what his next tweet would be?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 12, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
It would be nice to know what problems you have with Mings off - pitch proselytizing and how you think him stopping it would improve his game though?
I think he’s one of those white people who like to tell black people how they should protest against racism by the look of it.
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2021, 12:23:55 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 12, 2021, 12:25:30 PM
It's OK, he used high flautin language to tell that uppity black player to know his business and not get ideas above his alloted role.
It was spelt incorrectly, mind.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 12, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
I will utilise my own freedom of speech on here, to support SE’s assertions that you are speaking bollocks.
Yes lets link a mistake on a football field to the articulate ant racist comments from someone who seems an intelligent a thoroughly decent human being.
You really are highlighting your own mindset here and its not a particularly pretty place.
Post by: Monty on September 12, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2021, 12:53:25 PM
Post by: Richard E on September 12, 2021, 12:54:09 PM
Well, I like him as a person and think his public stance on anti-racism is great and to be heartily commended. I also think he's not half as good a player as he thinks he is, and that he needs to cut out the stupid errors that he's been making every season since he's been here that cost us loads of points.
Agreed on all points.
Post by: CT on September 12, 2021, 01:02:11 PM
Well, I like him as a person and think his public stance on anti-racism is great and to be heartily commended. I also think he's not half as good a player as he thinks he is, and that he needs to cut out the stupid errors that he's been making every season since he's been here that cost us loads of points.
Agreed on all points.
Yep. There was a good spell of games last season where he cut out the daft mistakes and looked so much the better for it. Hopefully he can get back to that sort of form.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 12, 2021, 01:16:56 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
People that are uncomfortable with Black people speaking out against racism are massive bigots. Any amount of "yeah, but China?" nonsense whataboutery doesn't change that.
Post by: Drummond on September 12, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
Absolutely remarkable how many people on here ( yes like you Sexual Ealing) are so anti freedom of speech and expression. My opinion, is as valid as yours and should not be dismissed with 'bollocks'.The current Chinese regime sounds far more like your natural environment.
Bollocks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2021, 02:50:44 PM
For me, Mings is that player. He does so many good things over so many games. Not just his football, but the many other awesome things he does as a player, an on field leader and club ambassador. But on the odd occasion, and it is that rare, his howlers lead to goals. It’s a shame they get the attention they do when we don’t always acknowledge so much of the other good stuff.
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
Post by: Monty on September 12, 2021, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 12, 2021, 03:01:34 PM
It's a shame his place isn't under threat - he's a certain starter if he's fit - which might cause a bit of complacency in some players if you've got that status.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2021, 03:36:39 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Post by: malckennedy on September 12, 2021, 03:51:06 PM
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
Have only watched in real time and the replays shown during the match but I felt that, although there is no doubt that Mings' back pass was short and he should bear the main responsibility, Steer hesitated and back peddled where a more assertive goalkeeper like Martinez would probably have come for it and reached the ball first. I could be wrong but that was my immediate feeling.
I don't think even Martinez would have anticipated what a piss poor piece of play it was from Mings. Watch it again: https://www.skysports.com/football/chelsea-vs-aston-villa/report/446320
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 12, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Have only watched in real time and the replays shown during the match but I felt that, although there is no doubt that Mings' back pass was short and he should bear the main responsibility, Steer hesitated and back peddled where a more assertive goalkeeper like Martinez would probably have come for it and reached the ball first. I could be wrong but that was my immediate feeling.
Ive just watched MOTD, firstly Isn Wright always has something good to say about Villa, even in defeat.
Second, Mings made an error no doubt, but watching it back Steer was really slow off the line, completely agree with your point, Martinez may well have got Mings out of jail or at least of made it more difficult for Kovacic whose not a natural goalscorer.
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 12, 2021, 04:35:52 PM
And that is why anti-football Southgate replaced Mings for a unfit slabhead at the Euros. However well he's playing, his lack of concentration will gift the opposition a goal sooner or later.
I disagree with that. Mings was very good for England at the Euros but Maguire, who is also prone to lapses of concentration, is much better at bringing the ball out of defence, drawing an opponent and offloading.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2021, 04:36:42 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
There really isn’t but you’ve convinced yourself that there is. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. He’s a PL footballer and England international. If he made the amount of mistakes you are suggesting he wouldn’t be either of those things.
Post by: Dave on September 12, 2021, 06:48:28 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
Don't leave us hanging, what's the answer? How many is it per game?
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2021, 06:57:05 PM
Post by: CT on September 12, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
Timing of the second goal yesterday was a real killer, so I apologise to my teammates and the fans for a crap pass. I actually think we played very well yesterday too, which makes it even more painful.
To be fair, at least he writes this himself rather than the generic stuff the other players put out.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 12, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Post by: dekko on September 12, 2021, 08:51:43 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
Don't leave us hanging, what's the answer? How many is it per game?
I've just had a look on the premier league stats website and he's made 4 errors leading to goals since we were promoted, one yesterday, one last season and two our first season up. For comparison, Konsa is on 2 over the same amount of time.
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 12, 2021, 09:12:19 PM
Apologie accepted
What's an apologie?
Post by: brian green on September 12, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
Don't leave us hanging, what's the answer? How many is it per game?
I've just had a look on the premier league stats website and he's made 4 errors leading to goals since we were promoted, one yesterday, one last season and two our first season up. For comparison, Konsa is on 2 over the same amount of time.
And when you look at that entire list of players over the same period of time you see what a completely random stat it is. Mostly GK’s and then players from every position. But some seem to think Mings is an accident waiting to happen yet the numbers simply don’t back them up. And yes, I am sure that there are times he’s made errors where a goal hasn’t been scored, which will also apply to lots of other players. And how many goals has he saved us from in that same span of time; through positioning or last ditch tackles, headers or blocks? More than we have conceded would be my guess.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 12, 2021, 10:19:30 PM
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Post by: Flin5tone on September 13, 2021, 12:05:04 AM
The decision not to bring in a high profile no.2 Keeper could be hugely damaging to our season, especially going into the winter months
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 12:11:15 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 13, 2021, 12:19:38 AM
Post by: tony scott on September 13, 2021, 03:54:38 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 13, 2021, 04:22:32 AM
Great of him to apologise, but what about the strikers who didn’t bury their chances.
Seen this repeatedly but it's not the same though, is it. An unforced error, gifting the opposition a goal, against a forward failing to score due to opposition goalie saves.
You could equate a Ronnie Rosenthal-miss by a forward to Ming's mistake Saturday but that is not what we are talking about here.
Saying that Mings makes too many serious mistakes has only just gotten controversial, I think, due to the postings of a right-wing nutter or two.
Post by: CT on September 13, 2021, 06:56:11 AM
High profile goalkeepers, of course, are chomping at the bit to go to mid-table clubs to sit on the bench.
Exactly. It’s not quite hitting home with some is it?
Buy a top quality goalkeeper who will be happy not to play. Good luck then.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 13, 2021, 07:25:00 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 13, 2021, 07:50:27 AM
We should have done all we could to keep Tom Heaton and offered him an improved bumper contract . If we want to break into the European spots we need to start acting like contenders
So you want us to hand out massive contracts to aging players to sit on our bench? MON, is that you?
Post by: Dave on September 13, 2021, 08:00:26 AM
We should have done all we could to keep Tom Heaton and offered him an improved bumper contract . If we want to break into the European spots we need to start acting like contenders
So you want us to hand out massive contracts to aging players to sit on our bench? MON, is that you?
We've probably still got Shay Given under contract in a back room somewhere that we could wheel out.
Post by: brian green on September 13, 2021, 08:12:17 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 13, 2021, 08:40:41 AM
With what Mings brings to the team, club and society, in leadership, decency, and skill, I'm much happier that he's ours and nobody else's.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 13, 2021, 08:41:20 AM
Or we could dig up Con Martin to cover Emi and Tyrone.I know he played for two international teams but both positions at once might be a bit of a stretch for him these days!
Post by: amfy on September 13, 2021, 09:31:36 AM
The reason errors like yesterday can’t be coached out is because of what is trying to be coached in. Both him and the club will want to develop his ability to make a pass in those positions that will build something, or at least is more likely to get us out of trouble in a way that it isn’t coming straight back.
So - he trains & is coached to try and be a better footballer, and as a result, he starts to think he is, and then he does that.
.....but he gets a pass from me because he’s trying.
Post by: Drummond on September 13, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 13, 2021, 09:52:41 AM
Just cut it out it Of your game
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 13, 2021, 10:00:49 AM
No point apologising if you keep doing the same sloppy mistakes 3-4 times a season.
Just cut it out it Of your game
Talking about mistakes...
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
There really isn’t but you’ve convinced yourself that there is. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. He’s a PL footballer and England international. If he made the amount of mistakes you are suggesting he wouldn’t be either of those things.
I like Mings, but there's some stats here:
https://twitter.com/VillaAnalytics/status/1437110761470504967
Since Aston Villa’s promotion, no Premier League player has made more defensive errors than Tyrone Mings. Topping the charts in his first season and runner up last year.
Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley
Post by: Monty on September 13, 2021, 10:18:38 AM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
There really isn’t but you’ve convinced yourself that there is. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. He’s a PL footballer and England international. If he made the amount of mistakes you are suggesting he wouldn’t be either of those things.
I like Mings, but there's some stats here:
https://twitter.com/VillaAnalytics/status/1437110761470504967
Since Aston Villa’s promotion, no Premier League player has made more defensive errors than Tyrone Mings. Topping the charts in his first season and runner up last year.
Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley
Yowsh.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2021, 10:50:05 AM
Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
There really isn’t but you’ve convinced yourself that there is. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. He’s a PL footballer and England international. If he made the amount of mistakes you are suggesting he wouldn’t be either of those things.
I like Mings, but there's some stats here:
https://twitter.com/VillaAnalytics/status/1437110761470504967
Since Aston Villa’s promotion, no Premier League player has made more defensive errors than Tyrone Mings. Topping the charts in his first season and runner up last year.
Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley
Yowsh.
Although I suspect there are lots of ways this data is produced. For example this tweet has this stat as of March 2021.
https://twitter.com/squawka/status/1368190639872094209?lang=en
And this site has him joint 15th in 2019/2020 with 2 and with 1 in 2020/21. Seems mean across the board though so they might be more strict in what they call an error that leads to a goal.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 10:53:49 AM
Although I suspect there are lots of ways this data is produced. For example this tweet has this stat as of March 2021.
https://twitter.com/squawka/status/1368190639872094209?lang=en
But that is over 5 seasons, not two. And obviously not every big mistake leads to a goal, sometimes a keeper like Martinez bails you out.
Post by: malckennedy on September 13, 2021, 10:57:20 AM
Although I suspect there are lots of ways this data is produced. For example this tweet has this stat as of March 2021.
https://twitter.com/squawka/status/1368190639872094209?lang=en
But that is over 5 seasons, not two. And obviously not every big mistake leads to a goal, sometimes a keeper like Martinez bails you out.
Yes. Still think Martinez would very likely have got Mings out of gaol on Saturday.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 13, 2021, 11:00:31 AM
Pretty damning.Voice over man "It's not that rare."
It’s incredibly rare. Count how many minutes he’s played for us and then count how many of those minutes represent a major mistake. I think you’ll find it’s a very, very low percentage.
Instead of breaking it down into nano seconds, try per game. There's loads.
There really isn’t but you’ve convinced yourself that there is. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. He’s a PL footballer and England international. If he made the amount of mistakes you are suggesting he wouldn’t be either of those things.
I like Mings, but there's some stats here:
https://twitter.com/VillaAnalytics/status/1437110761470504967
Since Aston Villa’s promotion, no Premier League player has made more defensive errors than Tyrone Mings. Topping the charts in his first season and runner up last year.
Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2021, 11:08:26 AM
But I can't find stats on defensive errors only to see if the Villa Stats one is correct. When typing "Premier League Players Defensive errors" it only presents "leading to goals" stats in the results.
Look at the website the tweet links to, it's on there.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 11:20:20 AM
But I can't find stats on defensive errors only to see if the Villa Stats one is correct. When typing "Premier League Players Defensive errors" it only presents "leading to goals" stats in the results.
Look at the website the tweet links to, it's on there.
Errors defined as errors leading to an opponent's shot:
20/21
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/10728/defense/2020-2021-Premier-League-Stats
19/20
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/defense/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2021, 11:21:13 AM
We should have done all we could to keep Tom Heaton and offered him an improved bumper contract . If we want to break into the European spots we need to start acting like contendersNO.
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2021, 11:22:38 AM
Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley[/i]Who does Burnley play for?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
He means their entire team. Mings has made one less error than Burnleys entire team put together.Mings has made more than twice as many errors as any outfielder in this time and only 1 fewer than Burnley[/i]Who does Burnley play for?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 11:26:23 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
But I can't find stats on defensive errors only to see if the Villa Stats one is correct. When typing "Premier League Players Defensive errors" it only presents "leading to goals" stats in the results.
Look at the website the tweet links to, it's on there.
Erm, the tweets posted by Chris W from villa analytics twitter doesn't have any links in those tweets or on the profile. Or am I link blind suddenly?
edit: Never mind, spotted it several replies down.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 13, 2021, 11:37:52 AM
But I can't find stats on defensive errors only to see if the Villa Stats one is correct. When typing "Premier League Players Defensive errors" it only presents "leading to goals" stats in the results.
Look at the website the tweet links to, it's on there.
Errors defined as errors leading to an opponent's shot:
20/21
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/10728/defense/2020-2021-Premier-League-Stats
19/20
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/3232/defense/2019-2020-Premier-League-Stats
Quite telling Hause was on that list as second that first season.
Would also have been interesting how many from the restart.
Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
Errors or not Tyrone Mings has been good for resurgence of our club.
Absolutely but nor can you ignore his habit of dropping horrible ricks regularly. Giving Steer any blame for that one is ridiculous. Mings was very poor for the third too.
Post by: Smithy on September 13, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
He's not Virgil Van Dijk, clearly, so he's always going to make the odd mistake, but I do wonder if his form from 2 or 3 years ago gives people a false impression of how many mistakes he actually makes now?
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2021, 12:51:29 PM
Post by: brian green on September 13, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 13, 2021, 02:38:37 PM
His Woolworths mop hair annoys me.
I'm a bit jealous too, Brian.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2021, 02:54:57 PM
It feels to me like Tyrone's chance-costing ricks are fewer and further between than in our first season up? Yes, Saturday was bad - and he's held his hands up about that - but it feels to me like he's much more consistent than he was in 2019/20?Not really if you look at the stats linked above.
He's not Virgil Van Dijk, clearly, so he's always going to make the odd mistake, but I do wonder if his form from 2 or 3 years ago gives people a false impression of how many mistakes he actually makes now?
Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2021, 08:31:54 PM
It feels to me like Tyrone's chance-costing ricks are fewer and further between than in our first season up? Yes, Saturday was bad - and he's held his hands up about that - but it feels to me like he's much more consistent than he was in 2019/20?
He's not Virgil Van Dijk, clearly, so he's always going to make the odd mistake, but I do wonder if his form from 2 or 3 years ago gives people a false impression of how many mistakes he actually makes now?
Thought he was average/poor for the first half of last season (Bamford, Wellbeck...) but finished the season strongly, one of the few when we were without Grealish. His mistakes generally come from overplaying the ball but this was just a standard backpass he messed up. Similar to Fulham last season.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 10:58:05 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 13, 2021, 11:11:56 PM
It feels to me like Tyrone's chance-costing ricks are fewer and further between than in our first season up? Yes, Saturday was bad - and he's held his hands up about that - but it feels to me like he's much more consistent than he was in 2019/20?
He's not Virgil Van Dijk, clearly, so he's always going to make the odd mistake, but I do wonder if his form from 2 or 3 years ago gives people a false impression of how many mistakes he actually makes now?
Thought he was average/poor for the first half of last season (Bamford, Wellbeck...) but finished the season strongly, one of the few when we were without Grealish. His mistakes generally come from overplaying the ball but this was just a standard backpass he messed up. Similar to Fulham last season.
I think this is right, and it seem to me that this coincided with him playing the ball less in potentially dangerous situations and on some occasions just playing the percentages and booting it into row z. Nothing wrong with this as a defender and God himself did this frequently when needs must. It felt to me that post xmas someone (Smith, Terry ??) had a word with Tyrone about the time to play the ball and the time to boot it sway, i dont know this of course.
Anyway he needs to stick to that kind of decision making.
Still love the bloke and glads hes out skipper.
Post by: darren woolley on September 14, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2021, 04:31:14 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 14, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
But he is much more than that. On the field he is a colossus. He is brave, puts his body on the line time and again and has saved us countless times with tackles and blocks. He leads our defence and takes responsibility to dominate our area from corners and free kicks. He is a born leader of the team. Yes he has a mistake in him, but he plays for a progressive manager who wants his defenders to take responsibility on the ball. If he played for Burnley or Newcastle his mistakes would be far fewer.
Off the field he is class personified, eloquent and stands up for things I want my captain to stand up for.
He played a huge part in our promotion push and consolidating our place in the Premier League. I honestly believe he is one of the most important signings we have made in the last 10 years. Even with his mistakes we are a better team when he plays. I think there's plenty of areas that need improving before we outgrow Mings.
Mistakes or not for me, as the thread title says, he is confirmed as awesome. I'm proud he is captain of my club and I hope he is for a few more years yet.
Post by: malckennedy on September 14, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
I highlighted some stats above re Tyrone making mistakes because it was being discussed and I think it's pointless contending that he doesn't make more errors than a lot of other defenders.
But he is much more than that. On the field he is a colossus. He is brave, puts his body on the line time and again and has saved us countless times with tackles and blocks. He leads our defence and takes responsibility to dominate our area from corners and free kicks. He is a born leader of the team. Yes he has a mistake in him, but he plays for a progressive manager who wants his defenders to take responsibility on the ball. If he played for Burnley or Newcastle his mistakes would be far fewer.
Off the field he is class personified, eloquent and stands up for things I want my captain to stand up for.
He played a huge part in our promotion push and consolidating our place in the Premier League. I honestly believe he is one of the most important signings we have made in the last 10 years. Even with his mistakes we are a better team when he plays. I think there's plenty of areas that need improving before we outgrow Mings.
Mistakes or not for me, as the thread title says, he is confirmed as awesome. I'm proud he is captain of my club and I hope he is for a few more years yet.
I totally agree with everything you say.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 14, 2021, 05:23:17 PM
I highlighted some stats above re Tyrone making mistakes because it was being discussed and I think it's pointless contending that he doesn't make more errors than a lot of other defenders.
But he is much more than that. On the field he is a colossus. He is brave, puts his body on the line time and again and has saved us countless times with tackles and blocks. He leads our defence and takes responsibility to dominate our area from corners and free kicks. He is a born leader of the team. Yes he has a mistake in him, but he plays for a progressive manager who wants his defenders to take responsibility on the ball. If he played for Burnley or Newcastle his mistakes would be far fewer.
Off the field he is class personified, eloquent and stands up for things I want my captain to stand up for.
He played a huge part in our promotion push and consolidating our place in the Premier League. I honestly believe he is one of the most important signings we have made in the last 10 years. Even with his mistakes we are a better team when he plays. I think there's plenty of areas that need improving before we outgrow Mings.
Mistakes or not for me, as the thread title says, he is confirmed as awesome. I'm proud he is captain of my club and I hope he is for a few more years yet.
I totally agree with everything you say.
Nice one Chris!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 14, 2021, 05:35:22 PM
I highlighted some stats above re Tyrone making mistakes because it was being discussed and I think it's pointless contending that he doesn't make more errors than a lot of other defenders.
But he is much more than that. On the field he is a colossus. He is brave, puts his body on the line time and again and has saved us countless times with tackles and blocks. He leads our defence and takes responsibility to dominate our area from corners and free kicks. He is a born leader of the team. Yes he has a mistake in him, but he plays for a progressive manager who wants his defenders to take responsibility on the ball. If he played for Burnley or Newcastle his mistakes would be far fewer.
Off the field he is class personified, eloquent and stands up for things I want my captain to stand up for.
He played a huge part in our promotion push and consolidating our place in the Premier League. I honestly believe he is one of the most important signings we have made in the last 10 years. Even with his mistakes we are a better team when he plays. I think there's plenty of areas that need improving before we outgrow Mings.
Mistakes or not for me, as the thread title says, he is confirmed as awesome. I'm proud he is captain of my club and I hope he is for a few more years yet.
Agreed.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 14, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 14, 2021, 06:46:59 PM
Konsa plays for the same manager and doesn’t make nearly as many mistakes so not sure that’s down to Smith’s style of play.I don't have stats to back this up but I would say we play down the left FAR more than we do the right and Mings has the ball more than Konsa. Konsa is an excellent player and maybe he will out perform Mings in the long run, but they play slightly different roles for Villa and both are invaluable. Konsa's excellence doesn't diminish what Mings offers to the team.
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2021, 06:51:43 PM
Post by: berneboy on September 14, 2021, 10:42:16 PM
I highlighted some stats above re Tyrone making mistakes because it was being discussed and I think it's pointless contending that he doesn't make more errors than a lot of other defenders.
But he is much more than that. On the field he is a colossus. He is brave, puts his body on the line time and again and has saved us countless times with tackles and blocks. He leads our defence and takes responsibility to dominate our area from corners and free kicks. He is a born leader of the team. Yes he has a mistake in him, but he plays for a progressive manager who wants his defenders to take responsibility on the ball. If he played for Burnley or Newcastle his mistakes would be far fewer.
Off the field he is class personified, eloquent and stands up for things I want my captain to stand up for.
He played a huge part in our promotion push and consolidating our place in the Premier League. I honestly believe he is one of the most important signings we have made in the last 10 years. Even with his mistakes we are a better team when he plays. I think there's plenty of areas that need improving before we outgrow Mings.
Mistakes or not for me, as the thread title says, he is confirmed as awesome. I'm proud he is captain of my club and I hope he is for a few more years yet.
Well said. I agree with every word.
Post by: OCD on September 15, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 12:10:21 PM
Post by: KNVillan on September 15, 2021, 12:26:52 PM
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1438083587287486465?s=21
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 15, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
The hagiography is coming out in time for Christmas.
You're so edgy.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 12:49:47 PM
The hagiography is coming out in time for Christmas.Have you pre ordered?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
The hagiography is coming out in time for Christmas.
Congratulations on getting the spelling right.
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 01:13:02 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
it's more than you would have managed I'm sure.
Yes, I'm known for my illiteracy.
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 02:17:07 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 15, 2021, 02:19:32 PM
You're known for a lot of things - primarily being a hubristic tosser.
And you're known for either apologising or being banned.
Post by: mike on September 15, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
You're known for a lot of things - primarily being a hubristic tosser.
I don't even know the meaning of the word hubris and I know I'll never have to.
Post by: LeeB on September 15, 2021, 05:35:26 PM
You're known for a lot of things - primarily being a hubristic tosser.
I don't even know the meaning of the word hubris and I know I'll never have to.
I know you're not, so you can't be, because I'm never wrong about anything.
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
You're known for a lot of things - primarily being a hubristic tosser.
I don't even know the meaning of the word hubris and I know I'll never have to.
Posts like that are why I love you.
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 06:30:54 PM
All because of Tyrone Mings.
Post by: CT on September 15, 2021, 06:48:01 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/wMNpDZp/1-A5-E450-B-EBB7-4858-925-C-71-AC5-BE285-BC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wMNpDZp)
Post by: Matt C on September 18, 2021, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2021, 07:44:41 PM
Post by: LukeJames on September 18, 2021, 07:47:16 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on September 18, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 18, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 18, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 18, 2021, 09:15:52 PM
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2021, 09:25:12 PM
Post by: LukeJames on September 18, 2021, 09:28:37 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Rondon one, I have absolutely no idea who was supposed to be marking him, he ran post Konsa, and got ahead of Axel before a very good recovery. I think that was the system as much as individual errors.
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Rondon one, I have absolutely no idea who was supposed to be marking him, he ran post Konsa, and got ahead of Axel before a very good recovery. I think that was the system as much as individual errors.
It was the ball in from Godfrey in the first place that Mings failed to cut out. It was similar to the ball in for Chelsea's 3rd that week, played through his legs.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2021, 09:56:17 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Gray effort second half? What man did he lose?
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2021, 09:58:48 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Gray effort second half? What man did he lose?
Andros Townsend.
Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2021, 10:03:01 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Rondon one, I have absolutely no idea who was supposed to be marking him, he ran post Konsa, and got ahead of Axel before a very good recovery. I think that was the system as much as individual errors.
Agreed, we had a few moments where the defence looked like players used to playing in a 4 not quite knowing where they should be, I wouldn't put them down as individual errors.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2021, 10:07:47 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on September 18, 2021, 10:09:27 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.Might be worth watching those chances again. He didn’t lose his man for either effort, he stood off both a little but certainly didn’t lose position or get particularly done.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2021, 10:11:05 PM
No silly mistakes, but he lost his man easily for their best two chances, the Rondon and Gray efforts.
The Rondon one, I have absolutely no idea who was supposed to be marking him, he ran post Konsa, and got ahead of Axel before a very good recovery. I think that was the system as much as individual errors.
It was the ball in from Godfrey in the first place that Mings failed to cut out. It was similar to the ball in for Chelsea's 3rd that week, played through his legs.
So not lost his man but didn't block the cross. If you had said could have defended better for both, maybe. But lost "his man" is more leaving the person he is supposed to mark at a corner to a free header.
Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2021, 10:11:18 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 18, 2021, 10:19:13 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 19, 2021, 12:21:37 PM
Post by: CT on September 19, 2021, 12:33:33 PM
He was awesome yesterday I'm so pleased for him.
Agreed. Imperious in the air too.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 19, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 20, 2021, 08:14:57 AM
It's interesting that Mings was frequently criticised on here until he went to the Euros. Then, suddenly, he was a great defender who deserved his place ahead of Harry McGuire. Now he's shit again. Apparently.
I find the criticism of Tyrone Mings completely over the top. He's a class player and bounced back with style this week.
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2021, 09:00:37 AM
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
The interesting bit is whether Axel sometimes looks a little flat-footed: the balls played into Lukaku (resulting in a goal) and Rondon seemed to catch out our loanee.
I'll be honest I don't think he's especially good. Better strikers than Rondon and Gray would gave taken at least one of those chances. I'm glad he can't play against Man U because I think the movement of the likes of Ronaldo and Fernandes would have been far too much for him.
Post by: brontebilly on September 20, 2021, 12:28:22 PM
The interesting bit is whether Axel sometimes looks a little flat-footed: the balls played into Lukaku (resulting in a goal) and Rondon seemed to catch out our loanee.
Don't think pace is the issue with Tuanzebe...got back fine on Lukaku before selling himself badly...didn't inspire confidence on Saturday though. Up against a clearly flagging Rondon I would have expected Tuanzebe to push forward as another midfielder in the second half but he didnt. Gray mugged him at one point near the sideline too, think he was booked for it or should have been. He would have been the first player off for me on Saturday.
Also Konsa doesn't look as assured on the right of the three...no idea where he went for their chance in first half where Mings had to come across to Gray. Rondon should have got on the end of that cross. No issue with playing three at the back at times but despite the scoreline it didn't work effectively against a very limited Everton team.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 20, 2021, 12:50:30 PM
Exactly what I thought too....I had to watch the game on Sky (self isolating!) and my immediate response was "Where's Konsa?"
Looking at highlights I still couldn't see him....no doubt watching it "live" and getting the full picture he would have been observed doing something appropriately positive!
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
I didn't mention pace.The interesting bit is whether Axel sometimes looks a little flat-footed: the balls played into Lukaku (resulting in a goal) and Rondon seemed to catch out our loanee.Don't think pace is the issue with Tuanzebe...
My point was that he is either slightly out of position or on his back foot at times when he needs to be very much on his front foot. Both of the occasions I referred to were when an oppo MF played a very good pass into their striker.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 24, 2021, 08:46:41 PM
I recall he put the frighteners on Zlatan Ibrahimovic and was more than a little physical vs Man Utd Bournemouth. I think Zlatan missed a penalty all because of the battle which Mings won I felt
I can see a little something coming Ronaldos way. Even with the leinacy in officiating this season I just hope the reducers and rough stuff isn't over done both for honour of football and Mike Dean refs.
Mings I love the guy but please don't get into anything silly.
I still felt he played into Zaha hands when sent off vs Palace and perhaps it's more Bruno Fernandes and his behaviour that Mings has not to get overly involved with too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 24, 2021, 08:49:59 PM
Tyrone vs Zlatan
Post by: OCD on October 03, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
Post by: BC Villain on October 03, 2021, 07:34:51 PM
https://twitter.com/WelhamOfficial/status/1444697408588369920?s=19
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 03, 2021, 08:14:40 PM
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2021, 09:12:55 AM
Apparently gave the ball away 17 times.
That was the main differnce between us and them yesterday. We had most of the team with a pass completion percentage in the 60s, whereas they were in the 80s. Mings was one of the worst culprits, constantly just banging the ball up front and giving it back to them.
Post by: Ads on October 04, 2021, 09:14:34 AM
Post by: ROBBO on October 04, 2021, 12:58:29 PM
Post by: OCD on October 04, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 04, 2021, 03:44:46 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 04, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
Apparently gave the ball away 17 times.Thats awful.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 04, 2021, 04:49:32 PM
Apparently gave the ball away 17 times.Thats awful.
I'd imagine 16 were hoofs down the line for Ollie to chase lost causes.
Post by: TheMalandro on October 16, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
Time wasting when we were playing good football.
Post by: OCD on October 16, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: Singapore Villa on October 16, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
He needs to get some composure….
We need him to be calm and commanding.
Not all over the place….
Post by: dicedlam on October 16, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 16, 2021, 06:34:11 PM
What does it say to the other CBs, if Mings (and arguably Axel) can put in a performance like that and know confidently that they'll still be the first name on the next teamsheet.
Post by: Vegas on October 16, 2021, 06:49:53 PM
Then he went totally off the rails, and had an absolute shocker. Error prone, nervous on the ball, woeful sliced clearances, boring challenges, drifting up front. Really weird, and abysmal.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 07:00:57 PM
Made some poor choices and lost composure in swiping clearances but did a lot of good.
Solid defender and no more error prone than Maguire or Stones but a far better role model than both of them
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 07:19:20 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 16, 2021, 07:28:30 PM
He made errors, but let’s face he was comfortable until the subs. It was bad game management from the sidelines that lost this game.
Thats how i saw it.
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2021, 07:41:01 PM
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2021, 08:50:19 PM
Earlier at Villa Park and watching the brainless oaf lumber about into mistake after mistake, my opinion could be succinctly put at he's fucking shite and shouldn't be anywhere near the team, the useless fucking donkey.
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 08:53:05 PM
He's nowhere near good enough to play in a top half team. Is my polite answer that can be considered following a trip back up the M6.Agreed.
Earlier at Villa Park and watching the brainless oaf lumber about into mistake after mistake, my opinion could be succinctly put at he's fucking shite and shouldn't be anywhere near the team, the useless fucking donkey.
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2021, 08:56:04 PM
He's nowhere near good enough to play in a top half team. Is my polite answer that can be considered following a trip back up the M6.
Earlier at Villa Park and watching the brainless oaf lumber about into mistake after mistake, my opinion could be succinctly put at he's fucking shite and shouldn't be anywhere near the team, the useless fucking donkey.
Think it's safe to say ads you have made your point. I am still fuckin fuming but will drink tonight and consider the game again tomorrow.
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2021, 09:02:30 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 16, 2021, 09:13:46 PM
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 09:18:51 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 16, 2021, 09:27:39 PM
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 09:34:52 PM
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 09:48:46 PM
Him and Tuanzabe was a disaster today.
Controversial, but I'd much rather have Coady in my backline than Mings. Always impressed me
Post by: ROBBO on October 16, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
Post by: KevinGage on October 16, 2021, 11:53:49 PM
He could be one of a number of players to keep an eye on re burnout. Luiz being the other main one with Brazil's schedule last summer.
If he's iffy again next time out, there might be a strong argument to rest him. Let's see.
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2021, 08:58:31 AM
We want to be challenging for Europe, we cannot do that with somebody who distributes it so poorly and has his brain go walk abouts as frequently as his positioning.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 17, 2021, 09:43:53 AM
Reluctant as I am to make excuses for millionaire athletes but it may be a factor that Tyrone has come through the Covid ravaged 19/20 season, that condensed 20/21 season with the short autumn turnaround and was with the England squad until mid July this year.
He could be one of a number of players to keep an eye on re burnout. Luiz being the other main one with Brazil's schedule last summer.
If he's iffy again next time out, there might be a strong argument to rest him. Let's see.
Excellent point and great observation.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 17, 2021, 09:55:40 AM
That was start of September only a month ago
Mings is a class act in my eyes and has the occasional lack of focus but is very self aware and honest to admit these things and is the first to hold his hand up when he doesn't perform so well.
I suspect being the man and player Tyrone is he'll have a heck of match vs Arsenal in a way to prove the doubters but also his own character after attitude to be better than his last game.
He openly says he speaks with a therapist so he'll be looking at all aspects both on and off field in how things are going including behaviour, performances and mindsets.
Mings generally in my eyes is very classy and assured on the ball.
It's frustrating he can make those poor passes, errors and laspses but I would think he well aware of these faults and would always look to do his best to improve
I back him 100% and as captain would not consider dropping him at this time
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 17, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 17, 2021, 10:16:41 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 10:27:53 AM
Hearing tyrones interview on the OS. We have to "learn very quickly" ita been bloody 3 years tyrone if you cant learn how to defend a bloody set piece after that time and not implore like that then that worries me
It's his regular losing of focus and concentration that really alarms me. I never feel confident that he isn't about to do something ridiculous.
That hoofed slice into the sky under no pressure in the second half was just mind-boggling. It was as though he had decided he was bored of football.
He needs to work on his mental approach and psychology because it's too often miles off.
Post by: Clampy on October 17, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 17, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
Genuine question here, how was he at fault for any of the goals yesterday? Was it his sliced clearance that led to the first one? I couldn't tell who it was live and I certainly won't be watching again. He was getting pelters from blokes behind me for second but again I'm not sure what he did wrong? McGinn gave the ball away in midfield and I think there was a defensive header Watkins missed so not sure what it was to do with Mings.Exact fault for the goal does not matter as much as the disorganisation and helter skelter defending that we descended into for the last 15 minutes and injury time. Mings was mostly responsible for that and also made number of individual errors through poor anticipation and lack of professional judgement. To start with being booked for time wasting at 60th minute, and the ref was absolutely correct to book him, is pathetic. It sent a terrible message to his teammates. After that he proceeded to keep being caught out of position on several occasions resulting in disrupting the team shape and causing general confusion. Top that with several mis hits and desperate lunges. This is not what we and his team mates expect from out team captain. He really is not very good. Lot of vacuous presentation and not much substance.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 17, 2021, 12:39:13 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 17, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Genuine question here, how was he at fault for any of the goals yesterday? Was it his sliced clearance that led to the first one? I couldn't tell who it was live and I certainly won't be watching again. He was getting pelters from blokes behind me for second but again I'm not sure what he did wrong? McGinn gave the ball away in midfield and I think there was a defensive header Watkins missed so not sure what it was to do with Mings.Ollie Watkins was the player who sliced a clearance straight to a Wolves player and the disappointing this he had loads of time and could have got the ball under control. As others have said it was generally pantomime defending for last 10 minutes with no particular blame to Mings more of a collective brain fart. Axel got it all wrong for their second goal and again Watkins had a great chance to head it away or at least make it difficult for the Wolves player but he did neither. The arrival of Ings seems have affected Watkins game badly. It's as if he doesn't seem to know where he fits in. Dean has to make some difficult decisions.
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
Genuine question here, how was he at fault for any of the goals yesterday? Was it his sliced clearance that led to the first one? I couldn't tell who it was live and I certainly won't be watching again. He was getting pelters from blokes behind me for second but again I'm not sure what he did wrong? McGinn gave the ball away in midfield and I think there was a defensive header Watkins missed so not sure what it was to do with Mings.
Are you honestly trying to pretend that I had a decent game yesterday then
Forget the stats on who was to blame here and there he was simply just poor with his control and his distribution
I like him as a defender but he lacks in technical ability he should do what Konsa does and just defend and do the simple things rather than trying to be something he isn’t
Post by: tomd2103 on October 17, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
Him and Tuanzabe was a disaster today.
Controversial, but I'd much rather have Coady in my backline than Mings. Always impressed me
Was thinking yesterday, that if we intend to continue with three at the back on the long term, then I would consider a bid for Coady.
Post by: Richard E on October 17, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 10:13:14 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 18, 2021, 07:46:14 AM
The only slight issue I see with this plan is Coady is wank.
I've just smiled for the first time since Saturday afternoon.
Post by: OCD on October 18, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Post by: BC Villain on October 18, 2021, 12:29:15 PM
Genuine question here, how was he at fault for any of the goals yesterday? Was it his sliced clearance that led to the first one? I couldn't tell who it was live and I certainly won't be watching again. He was getting pelters from blokes behind me for second but again I'm not sure what he did wrong? McGinn gave the ball away in midfield and I think there was a defensive header Watkins missed so not sure what it was to do with Mings.Exact fault for the goal does not matter as much as the disorganisation and helter skelter defending that we descended into for the last 15 minutes and injury time. Mings was mostly responsible for that and also made number of individual errors through poor anticipation and lack of professional judgement. To start with being booked for time wasting at 60th minute, and the ref was absolutely correct to book him, is pathetic. It sent a terrible message to his teammates. After that he proceeded to keep being caught out of position on several occasions resulting in disrupting the team shape and causing general confusion. Top that with several mis hits and desperate lunges. This is not what we and his team mates expect from out team captain.
Let's face, when the captain loses his head, what chance his teammates keeping theirs?
I'm not normally a fan of 'keepers being captains, but Martinez would be a far better candidate.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2021, 11:06:42 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 21, 2021, 11:26:00 PM
He's just a very fallible defender.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
Absolutely brilliant. I admire your strength of character to be proud of who you are. We’re all with you. I’m sure you’ve inspired many, many people with this 👊🏽 :)
That's another good reason why Mings is captain
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 29, 2021, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 29, 2021, 11:08:12 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 29, 2021, 11:27:39 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 30, 2021, 12:49:03 AM
We'd be fine when he stops playing stupid.We’d also be fine if the rest of the team stopped playing stupid and the manager stoped selecting wing backs.
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 30, 2021, 05:33:19 PM
He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
Post by: Ian. on October 30, 2021, 05:42:19 PM
He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
He’s no more guilty than a lot of the team since we played Man Utd. John McGinn had a shocker last week. Watkins
Has been wearing Pennywises boots all season, even Konsa looks unsteady at the moment. Mings is not alone in this.
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 30, 2021, 05:49:01 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 30, 2021, 08:05:38 PM
He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
I certainly can. The defence, as a whole, looked much more confident last season. The new formation has eroded their confidence leading to stupid mistakes all over the back four.
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2021, 09:11:09 PM
He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
I certainly can. The defence, as a whole, looked much more confident last season. The new formation has eroded their confidence leading to stupid mistakes all over the back four.
Five. But yeah.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 30, 2021, 09:16:47 PM
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 09:06:58 AM
Of course. My fingers don't even want to type The Formation That Shall Not Be Named.
The Scottish Formation.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Team. But yeah.He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
I certainly can. The defence, as a whole, looked much more confident last season. The new formation has eroded their confidence leading to stupid mistakes all over the back four.
Five. But yeah.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
He'll be fine when we stop playing a stupid formation.you can't blame some of those shocking clearances and decisions v Wolves on a stupid formation.
I certainly can. The defence, as a whole, looked much more confident last season. The new formation has eroded their confidence leading to stupid mistakes all over the back four.
Agreed, against Arsenal in particular the only defender who looked comfortable in his position was tuanzebe but he was still poor because he's just not good enough (in my opinion).
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 03:49:33 PM
I think that's wrong as he's captain but I support Dean Smith so hope it doesn't disrupt things too much
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 31, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 05, 2021, 10:53:34 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
Best performance of season, reacted well to being dropped. No messing about on ball.
I agree Bronte, I thought he was a one man defence, particularly in the first half. Had to cover for Tuanzebe a lot too. The latter is a poor player.
Post by: wince on November 06, 2021, 12:34:21 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 08, 2021, 07:20:59 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 08, 2021, 07:38:28 AM
Keep up the good work Tyrone, we’re definitely going to need your presence over the coming games and months.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 07:41:28 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2021, 07:48:37 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 08:07:32 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 08:11:18 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on November 08, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Any manager coming in will be delighted to have Mings. He's vital to us moving up the table.
I think he’s as culpable as anyone for our poor season. If he can’t cut out the gaffes, he needs to be replaced.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 09:29:20 AM
I think he's a great man, and a great ambassador and frankly, his character sums up what the Villa is all about. I'm proud he's a Villa player.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 08, 2021, 10:00:22 AM
When he's out we lose his leadership and that has a huge effect. When he's in he's prone to a gaff.Seconded.
I think he's a great man, and a great ambassador and frankly, his character sums up what the Villa is all about. I'm proud he's a Villa player.
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2021, 10:02:04 AM
Any manager coming in will be delighted to have Mings. He's vital to us moving up the table.
I think he’s as culpable as anyone for our poor season. If he can’t cut out the gaffes, he needs to be replaced.
Most of the poor form came from being shifted to the left of a 3. He had, like everyone, a poor first half vs Watford but was otherwise solid when we played him in a 4.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 08, 2021, 10:08:23 AM
I love him, on and off the pitch.
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 10:09:26 AM
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 10:16:02 AM
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
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Post by: jwarry on November 08, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 08, 2021, 02:51:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 06:15:16 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
I'd like the next manager to not have the tactic where it allows him to smash it 90 yards down the pitch when he's not under pressure.bores the shit out of me that does.
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 08:39:55 PM
I'd like the next manager to not have the tactic where it allows him to smash it 90 yards down the pitch when he's not under pressure.
I'm not sure how much of that is down to individual instruction, or just the player himself reacting under pressure.
One of many of his impressive qualities when he first came was impressive distribution short and long.
But when he had a bit of a ropey period in 19/20, the general consensus was he needed to stop overplaying.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 09, 2021, 12:08:23 AM
I'd like the next manager to not have the tactic where it allows him to smash it 90 yards down the pitch when he's not under pressure.
I'm not sure how much of that is down to individual instruction, or just the player himself reacting under pressure.
One of many of his impressive qualities when he first came was impressive distribution short and long.
But when he had a bit of a ropey period in 19/20, the general consensus was he needed to stop overplaying.
It was the same when he didn't play though which I think is why Dean got some criticism.
Post by: KevinGage on November 19, 2021, 05:56:07 AM
Quote
"I spoke to Tyrone on a couple of occasions. Once while he was away with England, once face to face on Tuesday afternoon. He will remain captain in the short term and he will be given every opportunity to impress us and prove he can be the right man for the job."
Anyone else think that's far from a ringing endorsement of our current captain?
Yes, all players need to impress a new manager.
But Tyrone might argue he's proved he's the right man for the job over the last three years. As one of our England internationals and most high profile figures, it's not as if he's an unknown quantity either.
Post by: jwarry on November 19, 2021, 07:10:01 AM
Surprised this hasn't had more of a mention since the press conference yesterday:Quote"I spoke to Tyrone on a couple of occasions. Once while he was away with England, once face to face on Tuesday afternoon. He will remain captain in the short term and he will be given every opportunity to impress us and prove he can be the right man for the job."
Anyone else think that's far from a ringing endorsement of our current captain?
Yes, all players need to impress a new manager.
But Tyrone might argue he's proved he's the right man for the job over the last three years. As one of our England internationals and most high profile figures, it's not as if he's an unknown quantity either.
I wouldn’t read much into it. This is Gerrard saying nobody is guaranteed anything until you prove to me you are good enough, which is how it should be and knowing Tyrone would be taken in the right way. That said, I saw enough fight and desire from him in the Saints game that suggests he won’t have a problem
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2021, 02:11:43 PM
Surprised this hasn't had more of a mention since the press conference yesterday:Quote"I spoke to Tyrone on a couple of occasions. Once while he was away with England, once face to face on Tuesday afternoon. He will remain captain in the short term and he will be given every opportunity to impress us and prove he can be the right man for the job."
Anyone else think that's far from a ringing endorsement of our current captain?
Yes, all players need to impress a new manager.
But Tyrone might argue he's proved he's the right man for the job over the last three years. As one of our England internationals and most high profile figures, it's not as if he's an unknown quantity either.
It's entirely right that the new manager weighs up who he thinks is the right man for the job.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 19, 2021, 04:56:42 PM
He was the obvious choice when the Rat left so its up to him - a few storming 2nd half vs Saints performances might help
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Nothing other than what he provides and how he conducts himself on the pitch should influence him being Captain - thats the job.
He was the obvious choice when the Rat left so its up to him - a few storming 2nd half vs Saints performances might help
He was the only one worth his salt in the first half of that game too. He'd clearly reset himself back 'no fucking about' mode, and when he does that he's ace. Hopefully the new coaches recognise that and keep him at it.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 19, 2021, 05:10:12 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 19, 2021, 07:21:24 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 19, 2021, 07:27:18 PM
I love Mings, I think he’s really important to us and we miss him massively when he doesn’t play. If Gerrard can iron out his little wobbles and get him and Konsa back to the form of last season we will so much better for it.agreed - these two on top form will see us climb the table. Without doubt.
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 08:56:48 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 19, 2021, 10:36:02 PM
Wonder if Mings will miss aimlessly smashing it down the line tomorrow afternoon?
With Nakamba in front of him he might feel it's the safer option.
Post by: adrenachrome on November 19, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Wonder if Mings will miss aimlessly smashing it down the line tomorrow afternoon?
With Nakamba in front of him he might feel it's the safer option.
Sad but true.
Post by: bilsim on November 20, 2021, 05:22:59 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 20, 2021, 05:26:47 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on November 20, 2021, 05:33:30 PM
Post by: Mellin on November 20, 2021, 05:47:10 PM
Well done, Tyrone.
Post by: manic-road on November 20, 2021, 06:54:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 20, 2021, 11:42:55 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 20, 2021, 11:53:37 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 21, 2021, 12:03:06 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 21, 2021, 12:30:14 AM
Great work all day and excellent to keep the ball in play before his goal.
Post by: adrenachrome on November 21, 2021, 01:19:44 AM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1462188874831126535
Post by: Axl Rose on November 21, 2021, 02:01:08 AM
More of the same next week against Benteke please, Tyrone.
Post by: aj2k77 on November 21, 2021, 02:23:51 AM
Great player, even better bloke.
Post by: algy on November 21, 2021, 08:01:59 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Post by: Scratchins on November 21, 2021, 08:06:01 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Seconded
Post by: Clampy on November 21, 2021, 08:26:32 AM
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
He was superb yesterday. A real leaders performance. That said, i still think he might possibly benefit from not being captain and letting him concentrate on his own game but if he keeps that level of performance up, then Gerrard might stick with him.
You could be right, but then I reckon McGinn would be the next candidate and you could probably make the same point about him. Anyway, superb finish at the end. Apart from one crap ball, he just kept it simple all game, and he looks a million times better when he does.
Post by: LukeJames on November 21, 2021, 09:19:36 AM
Post by: Clampy on November 21, 2021, 09:36:56 AM
He was superb yesterday. A real leaders performance. That said, i still think he might possibly benefit from not being captain and letting him concentrate on his own game but if he keeps that level of performance up, then Gerrard might stick with him.
You could be right, but then I reckon McGinn would be the next candidate and you could probably make the same point about him. Anyway, superb finish at the end. Apart from one crap ball, he just kept it simple all game, and he looks a million times better when he does.
To be honest, I said exactly the same thing yesterday to someone. If you pass it to McGinn, he might lose the edge out of his game as well. I think he'll stick with Mings if carries on like that but the fact that he's acknowledged that he's thinking about the change is either genuine or just good management.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 21, 2021, 09:42:22 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Seconded
Thirded.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 21, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Seconded
Thirded.
X 10
Post by: Ian. on November 21, 2021, 09:54:26 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Seconded
Thirded.
X 10
Yep, me too. Love him.
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2021, 11:06:23 AM
Do wonder if having someone with Gerrard’s profile will mean that he’ll pull Mings up if he is sloppy, whereas I got the feeling that might not have been the case after Terry left.
No, you're right, Smith would never drop him from the team.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 21, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
I do think that Mings get some unfair stick for his distribution, as his long passes are often very good, and those that just drift astray are usually played when there are no other real options. He also does seem to take more responsibility than say Konsa does, for setting play up (which is not a criticism of Konsa).
One thing I noticed yesterday with the game still at 0-0 was that Mings took some stick from Ashley Young when Young wanted Mings to play the ball for him over the top, but Mings tried to pass it to Young's feet and it was intercepted. I though this a bit unfair, as it looked to me that a ball over the top would have got us nowhere, and that the ball to feet was indeed the much better option.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 21, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
He's the leader, the main vocal point of the team now and the organising general. I don't give a fuck if Kipper, right wing Tory ****** don't like it that a black bloke has a voice and wants to hear it heard. Long may it continue. He's out leader and he got this club from word go and I think he deserves backing.Spot on.
Great player, even better bloke.
Seconded
Thirded.
X 10
Yep, me too. Love him.
Couldn't agree more!
A brilliant purchase for our club who will want to win trophies for us as captain and no doubt will want to captain his country also.
Post by: supertom on November 21, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
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Post by: martin o`who?? on November 21, 2021, 11:40:41 AM
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Post by: Risso on November 21, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
Yep, really good yesterday. Dominant defensively in the air, bang up for it, decent header which forced a good save, great effort and class for the goal. Only blemish was that slightly ropey sliced clearance early in the second half.
I think that stood out because it was the only time he did it yesterday.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2021, 01:22:10 PM
Immense yesterday.he was the player he can be. Great to see.
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2021, 01:25:35 PM
Post by: caster troy on November 21, 2021, 01:56:30 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on November 24, 2021, 07:56:19 PM
Doctor Mings from now on!!
Post by: Bad English on November 24, 2021, 09:03:18 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1463589508469956610?t=DCWBKtuo-p87Ruwr6P2_pg&s=08On me Ed.D!
Doctor Mings from now on!!
Post by: Drummond on November 25, 2021, 10:00:13 AM
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2021, 10:46:32 AM
Doctor Miiii-ings, Doctor Mings
I’m on a similar (low) intellectual plane to you it seems, as that was my first thought too.
Post by: Drummond on November 25, 2021, 11:02:43 AM
Doctor Miiii-ings, Doctor Mings
I’m on a similar (low) intellectual plane to you it seems, as that was my first thought too.
Dr. Mings! (HEY) Dr. Mings
Dr. Mings! (HEY) Villa Park
Dr. Mings (HEY) Dr. Mings
Dr. Mings doc..Dr. Mings
Dr. Mings doc..Dr. Mings
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2021, 04:21:09 PM
Almost seemed to be playing as a false 9 at times, which shows how desperately poor Norwich were.
Post by: usav on December 15, 2021, 05:33:14 PM
Great game last night for our Tyrone, and loved the little stepover and dummy he did to get past the Norwich attacker and bring the ball out of defence. As one wag on the match thread said which made me laugh, that was brilliant Tyrone, but please never do it again!
It wasn't me, but same sentiment while watching it - that was fabulous but please never do that again.
Post by: supertom on December 15, 2021, 06:29:12 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2021, 08:29:22 PM
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Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2021, 09:35:17 PM
I do not want to diminish his achievements or his status as a so called role model.
But he is not a top half defender.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2021, 09:36:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2021, 09:37:44 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
I don’t get this. He made a positional error against a CF who cost a £100m. He didn’t play that badly tonight. He’s been excellent in recent weeks. How has he, a full England international gone from that to not good enough for a mid table PL club or even one aspiring to be a higher?
I think he’s still good enough to be a full England International!
Post by: Chris Harte on December 26, 2021, 09:43:37 PM
I don’t get this. He made a positional error against a CF who cost a £100m. He didn’t play that badly tonight. He’s been excellent in recent weeks. How has he, a full England international gone from that to not good enough for a mid table PL club or even one aspiring to be a higher?I disagree.
If he attacks the cross then Lukaku doesn't score. It's poor defending. He then got booked after getting turned by Lukaku and giving away a free-kick in a dangerous position that fortunately Chelsea wasted. He wasn't the only player to mess up (what was Cash thinking for their first penalty) but he regularly makes errors.
Post by: charleeco7 on December 26, 2021, 09:47:39 PM
He’s not good enough for Villa now.
I do not want to diminish his achievements or his status as a so called role model.
But he is not a top half defender.
Find me one that is better and we could realistically get? He got done by one of the best centre forwards in the world. He’s been exceptionally good for weeks and leads the team. Gets too much ch grief for me.
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2021, 09:54:49 PM
He’s not good enough for Villa now.
I do not want to diminish his achievements or his status as a so called role model.
But he is not a top half defender.
Find me one that is better and we could realistically get? He got done by one of the best centre forwards in the world. He’s been exceptionally good for weeks and leads the team. Gets too much ch grief for me.
It’s not up to me to recruit, but it’s pretty easy to produce a list of Mings mistakes - I’m not bothered about the everyday mistakes, but the complete calamities.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2021, 09:59:40 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on December 26, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
He’s not good enough for Villa now.
I do not want to diminish his achievements or his status as a so called role model.
But he is not a top half defender.
Find me one that is better, we could realistically get? He got done by one of the best centre forwards in the world. He’s been exceptionally good for weeks and leads the team. Gets too much ch grief for me.
It’s not up to me to recruit, but it’s pretty easy to produce a list of Mings mistakes - I’m not bothered about the everyday mistakes, but the complete calamities.
But it’s easy for you to say he isn’t good enough do come up with an alternative . So sit there and type me a better one that’s a realistic target? I think he offers more to us then the mistakes he makes and as it’s stands he’s still an asset. He’s been very good for the last few weeks
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2021, 10:06:21 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2021, 10:51:36 PM
He’s not good enough for Villa now.
I do not want to diminish his achievements or his status as a so called role model.
But he is not a top half defender.
Find me one that is better, we could realistically get? He got done by one of the best centre forwards in the world. He’s been exceptionally good for weeks and leads the team. Gets too much ch grief for me.
It’s not up to me to recruit, but it’s pretty easy to produce a list of Mings mistakes - I’m not bothered about the everyday mistakes, but the complete calamities.
But it’s easy for you to say he isn’t good enough do come up with an alternative . So sit there and type me a better one that’s a realistic target? I think he offers more to us then the mistakes he makes and as it’s stands he’s still an asset. He’s been very good for the last few weeks
Why should I come up with a alternative? I’m a fan.
I could list a few but it’s irrelevant.
My thoughts are because of the owners… if we had Randy, at the end of his ownership, I’d adjust my expectations.
Post by: AV82EC on December 27, 2021, 09:26:32 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
Dreadful not to jump. That is such a mings thing to do. I bet if Gerrard was there he would have gone ballistic
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 27, 2021, 10:21:22 AM
That goal was coming from the start of the second half and inevitable considering we were so flat in comparison to the first 45 minutes.
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2021, 10:25:47 AM
Yes but we need a better CB for the Villa.I don’t get this. He made a positional error against a CF who cost a £100m. He didn’t play that badly tonight. He’s been excellent in recent weeks. How has he, a full England international gone from that to not good enough for a mid table PL club or even one aspiring to be a higher?
I think he’s still good enough to be a full England International!
Post by: TheMalandro on December 27, 2021, 10:30:12 AM
Yes but we need a better CB for the Villa.I don’t get this. He made a positional error against a CF who cost a £100m. He didn’t play that badly tonight. He’s been excellent in recent weeks. How has he, a full England international gone from that to not good enough for a mid table PL club or even one aspiring to be a higher?
I think he’s still good enough to be a full England International!
We do.
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2021, 10:35:12 AM
When he does the fundamentals, he's fine. When he tries to be clever, he looks the opposite.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 27, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 27, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
I think Mings has upped his game since Gerrard arrived, he's been very good. So Lukaku got the better of him. Lukaku gets the better of most defenders which is why he scores as many as he does and costs as much as he did.
Exactly, Lukaku is one of the best strikers in the world and is a defender’s worst nightmare. He’s stronger than most but at the same time skilful with great movement.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 27, 2021, 11:07:49 AM
Probably true but if you're aiming to get anywhere near yesterday's opponents then we need 1 or probably 2 in most areas of the pitch then.
Post by: exigo on December 27, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 27, 2021, 11:16:42 AM
Post by: AV82EC on December 27, 2021, 11:20:26 AM
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2021, 03:58:28 PM
Except he hasn't got the better of most defenders and his previous goals were against us at SB since then he has mostly been a big lump of meat toddling around the pitch.I think Mings has upped his game since Gerrard arrived, he's been very good. So Lukaku got the better of him. Lukaku gets the better of most defenders which is why he scores as many as he does and costs as much as he did.
Exactly, Lukaku is one of the best strikers in the world and is a defender’s worst nightmare. He’s stronger than most but at the same time skilful with great movement.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 27, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
Lukaku’s hardly played this season because of injury, its not a valid argument to imply that he hasn’t been playing well all season. He’s obviously proved he is a world class forward. Mings was poor for the goal and he is not a world class defender say in the Dias class, but nonetheless he is a very good defender most of the time.Except he hasn't got the better of most defenders and his previous goals were against us at SB since then he has mostly been a big lump of meat toddling around the pitch.I think Mings has upped his game since Gerrard arrived, he's been very good. So Lukaku got the better of him. Lukaku gets the better of most defenders which is why he scores as many as he does and costs as much as he did.
Exactly, Lukaku is one of the best strikers in the world and is a defender’s worst nightmare. He’s stronger than most but at the same time skilful with great movement.
On the wider point of how the cross was allowed to come in, i thought Sanson did well yesterday on the whole and in the context of little previous gametime, but i did say to my son in the first half before their pen, that Cash was getting exposed by Alonso and Hudson Odi doubling up on that flank and needed more support.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 27, 2021, 05:22:23 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 27, 2021, 05:30:15 PM
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2021, 05:39:27 PM
We do need someone as good as (or potentially) to push him (Hause does cover well, but isn't a top half player. He's a very good fourth choice). The issue for me is Axel. We need a permanent player and someone a lot better, who can genuinely push Mings and Konsa (more so Mings).
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 27, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2021, 07:57:07 PM
Or is Lukaku that good that he somehow mesmerised Mings into giving him a free header?
I am Beginning to feel sorry for Tyrone, the poor lamb.
Post by: TheMalandro on December 27, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
Because Lukaku is a very good player then it’s ok for Mings not to jump and challenge him for a ball in the air?
Or is Lukaku that good that he somehow mesmerised Mings into giving him a free header?
I am Beginning to feel sorry for Tyrone, the poor lamb.
Exactly, it was a big mistake by Mings. Not some extraordinary trickery, by a wizard.
Marlon Harewood would’ve done the same.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 27, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 28, 2021, 06:57:38 AM
If the Andy Gray of old or Carew or Benteke had scored that goal, as fans we would have been raving about it. Maybe the real issue was not preventing the cross in the first place.
Later Tyrone's positioning after Martinez had a rush of blood definitely put mount off when in a goalscoring position.
Post by: Bad English on December 28, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2021, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
Sometimes credit goes to the opposition where chelski's 2nd goal was concerned. The cross was brilliant and always favoured the onrushing forward rather than our stationary defence.
If the Andy Gray of old or Carew or Benteke had scored that goal, as fans we would have been raving about it. Maybe the real issue was not preventing the cross in the first place.
Later Tyrone's positioning after Martinez had a rush of blood definitely put mount off when in a goalscoring position.
I said exactly this in a whatts app group last night. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Instead you get angry fans coming out with silly 'poor lamb he didnt jump' posts.
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2021, 10:27:43 AM
Sometimes credit goes to the opposition where chelski's 2nd goal was concerned. The cross was brilliant and always favoured the onrushing forward rather than our stationary defence.
If the Andy Gray of old or Carew or Benteke had scored that goal, as fans we would have been raving about it. Maybe the real issue was not preventing the cross in the first place.
Later Tyrone's positioning after Martinez had a rush of blood definitely put mount off when in a goalscoring position.
I said exactly this in a whatts app group last night. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Instead you get angry fans coming out with silly 'poor lamb he didnt jump' posts.
It was a great header, but Mings doesn't dp anything to try to stop Lukaku at all. I'm not sure what the bigger picture is there to be honest. If he at least jumps with Lukaku, the ball might have gone in anyway of course, but in doing nothing he effectively makes it a free header. Still, I think Mings has been mostly decent this season. The whole defence had a few rickets against Chelsea.
Post by: Drummond on December 28, 2021, 10:43:44 AM
Sometimes credit goes to the opposition where chelski's 2nd goal was concerned. The cross was brilliant and always favoured the onrushing forward rather than our stationary defence.
If the Andy Gray of old or Carew or Benteke had scored that goal, as fans we would have been raving about it. Maybe the real issue was not preventing the cross in the first place.
Later Tyrone's positioning after Martinez had a rush of blood definitely put mount off when in a goalscoring position.
I said exactly this in a whatts app group last night. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Instead you get angry fans coming out with silly 'poor lamb he didnt jump' posts.
It was a great header, but Mings doesn't dp anything to try to stop Lukaku at all. I'm not sure what the bigger picture is there to be honest. If he at least jumps with Lukaku, the ball might have gone in anyway of course, but in doing nothing he effectively makes it a free header. Still, I think Mings has been mostly decent this season. The whole defence had a few rickets against Chelsea.
Yep, I agree.
I wonder whether he was just trying (and failing) to lever him off the ball, feeling like he wouldn't be able to win in the air.
However, I always think its an error not to try and at least challenge.
Post by: eamonn on December 28, 2021, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: charlatan on December 28, 2021, 01:49:52 PM
Sometimes credit goes to the opposition where chelski's 2nd goal was concerned. The cross was brilliant and always favoured the onrushing forward rather than our stationary defence.
If the Andy Gray of old or Carew or Benteke had scored that goal, as fans we would have been raving about it. Maybe the real issue was not preventing the cross in the first place.
Later Tyrone's positioning after Martinez had a rush of blood definitely put mount off when in a goalscoring position.
I said exactly this in a whatts app group last night. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Instead you get angry fans coming out with silly 'poor lamb he didnt jump' posts.
It was a great header, but Mings doesn't dp anything to try to stop Lukaku at all. I'm not sure what the bigger picture is there to be honest. If he at least jumps with Lukaku, the ball might have gone in anyway of course, but in doing nothing he effectively makes it a free header. Still, I think Mings has been mostly decent this season. The whole defence had a few rickets against Chelsea.
Haven't looked at it again, but my impression was that Mings opted for using his body to knock Lukaku off balance and away from the ball rather than competing for the ball himself, but either Lukaku wasn't exactly where Mings thought he was or Lukaku was much stronger, so Mings failed.
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2021, 02:04:24 PM
Post by: charlatan on December 28, 2021, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2021, 03:17:31 PM
It was a great header, but Mings doesn't dp anything to try to stop Lukaku at all. I'm not sure what the bigger picture is there to be honest. If he at least jumps with Lukaku, the ball might have gone in anyway of course, but in doing nothing he effectively makes it a free header. Still, I think Mings has been mostly decent this season. The whole defence had a few rickets against Chelsea.I think Mings was looking at the bigger picture instead of looking after Lukaku. A big non match fit cumbersome forward coming back after a long layoff just happened to be sharper than him.
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 28, 2021, 04:21:49 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 28, 2021, 04:28:59 PM
virtually pick their spot and make it difficult for whoever the Centre back was. Van Dijk would have struggled with that scenario.
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2021, 04:32:32 PM
Yep do the same against Chris Wood and questions needs asking. I’m still fucked about how easy it was for the player crossing the ball could
virtually pick their spot and make it difficult for whoever the Centre back was. Van Dijk would have struggled with that scenario.
What's so hard about jumping?
Post by: AV82EC on December 28, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
Yep do the same against Chris Wood and questions needs asking. I’m still fucked about how easy it was for the player crossing the ball could
virtually pick their spot and make it difficult for whoever the Centre back was. Van Dijk would have struggled with that scenario.
What's so hard about jumping?
Depends where your centre of gravity is? He got done by Lukaku and his positioning was all wrong to try and challenge. However, its hardly crime of the century. You'd think the way some are going on here he was solely at fault for all our ills yesterday and we'd been gubbed by some non League team. Hes just been mugged by arguably one of the 3 best strikers in world football.
Post by: Ian. on December 28, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Post by: Fasth56 on December 28, 2021, 06:28:22 PM
Post by: john e on December 28, 2021, 07:58:36 PM
especially ball playing ones with good control who can play out from the back, which is surprising as everyone is trying to play that way
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2021, 08:20:08 PM
The cross was so good and Lukaku is so totally awesome that jumping for the ball would have been totally futile, so Tyrone did the right thing by not wasting any energy and allowing the striker to score what would have been inevitable anyway.Yep do the same against Chris Wood and questions needs asking. I’m still fucked about how easy it was for the player crossing the ball could
virtually pick their spot and make it difficult for whoever the Centre back was. Van Dijk would have struggled with that scenario.
What's so hard about jumping?
It was gods will.
Post by: Gareth on December 28, 2021, 08:24:57 PM
Harry McGuire who cost £80M and Gary Neville has stated is having an absolute mare of a season. John stones cost £48M is prone to performing an absolute ricket in any game. There are no guarantees if you spend big.
Whisper it quietly but McGrath & Laursen made plenty of mistakes also in their careers, it happens.
For me Mings has been excellent since Gerrard came in, he seems to be judged on a different scrutiny scale than Konsa….whether that is because he is an England player or because he is a huge personality or because he had an iffy period before Dean left I don’t know. I think he is still well worth his place in England squad because of what he does right but you would hope to see different coaches do more with him.
Against Chelsea I don’t know if he didn’t realise Lukaku was there until too late or whether he thought he could use his body to make Lukaku miss the header….guess only he knows.
Whole back five need to do better vs Brentford….hopefully Hause does his usual one off starting performance
Post by: Ian. on December 28, 2021, 08:33:58 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
The cross was so good and Lukaku is so totally awesome that jumping for the ball would have been totally futile, so Tyrone did the right thing by not wasting any energy and allowing the striker to score what would have been inevitable anyway.Yep do the same against Chris Wood and questions needs asking. I’m still fucked about how easy it was for the player crossing the ball could
virtually pick their spot and make it difficult for whoever the Centre back was. Van Dijk would have struggled with that scenario.
What's so hard about jumping?
It was gods will.
Lukaku was practically in line with the front post when he headed the ball. If Mings had bothered his arse even competing with Lukaku, he blocks the header across goal at a worst. Mings took a chance by letting Lukaku having a free run and header, got deservedly punished. Lukaku rattled Mings physically from the first minute he came in. Mings couldn't handle it and went to pot. There a video nasty of Mings second half efforts doing the rounds online.
Post by: passport1 on December 29, 2021, 12:09:45 AM
Post by: mike on December 29, 2021, 05:00:53 AM
Post by: Vegas on December 29, 2021, 07:38:20 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 29, 2021, 08:23:50 AM
Mings had a very good first half, continuing a run of good form over the last few months, but then had a shaky 45 minutes against the champions league winners after they brought on one of the best centre forwards in the world.
That sounds about right.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 11:35:22 AM
I’m not convinced he’s as bad as the press he gets. Seems a sad reminder of happier days seeing the thread title so perhaps if that’s how most people feel it should be changed.
He has had some very good games since SG arrived, but he does have a tendency to make glaring errors and lose the plot occasionally.
He was poor in the second half and having watched the Lukaku header again this morning it is inexplicable why he decided not to make an attempt to challenge the player.
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2021, 04:40:44 PM
I’m not convinced he’s as bad as the press he gets. Seems a sad reminder of happier days seeing the thread title so perhaps if that’s how most people feel it should be changed.
He has had some very good games since SG arrived, but he does have a tendency to make glaring errors and lose the plot occasionally.
He was poor in the second half and having watched the Lukaku header again this morning it is inexplicable why he decided not to make an attempt to challenge the player.
The team as a whole was pretty poor the second half.
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2021, 05:38:25 PM
Mings had a very good first half, continuing a run of good form over the last few months, but then had a shaky 45 minutes against the champions league winners after they brought on one of the best centre forwards in the world.
That sounds about right.
Lukaku might be one of the best forwards in the world, but all he did was jump in the air for a header. It wasn't like he went on an amazing mazy dribble, or used his strength and speed to shove a player aside like he did with Targett later on. He just jumped for a cross, which Mings should have chellenged him for in the air, but didn't.
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
This did make me chuckle
https://twitter.com/_mattavfc/status/1475434064853323790?s=21
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 05:57:51 PM
it seems that some just can not accept he was at fault for the second goal. Really strange.Mings had a very good first half, continuing a run of good form over the last few months, but then had a shaky 45 minutes against the champions league winners after they brought on one of the best centre forwards in the world.
That sounds about right.
Lukaku might be one of the best forwards in the world, but all he did was jump in the air for a header. It wasn't like he went on an amazing mazy dribble, or used his strength and speed to shove a player aside like he did with Targett later on. He just jumped for a cross, which Mings should have chellenged him for in the air, but didn't.
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
it seems that some just can not accept he was at fault for the second goal. Really strange.Mings had a very good first half, continuing a run of good form over the last few months, but then had a shaky 45 minutes against the champions league winners after they brought on one of the best centre forwards in the world.
That sounds about right.
Lukaku might be one of the best forwards in the world, but all he did was jump in the air for a header. It wasn't like he went on an amazing mazy dribble, or used his strength and speed to shove a player aside like he did with Targett later on. He just jumped for a cross, which Mings should have chellenged him for in the air, but didn't.
Or just not focusing on one persons mistake. I thought we was pretty poor as a team in the second half after a promising first half.
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2021, 06:07:00 PM
Or just not focusing on one persons mistake. I thought we was pretty poor as a team in the second half after a promising first half.
This is the Tyrone Mings thread though Ian! Where else would you like a mistake by Tyrone Mings to be discussed?!
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2021, 06:15:47 PM
Or just not focusing on one persons mistake. I thought we was pretty poor as a team in the second half after a promising first half.
Or just not focusing on one persons mistake. I thought we was pretty poor as a team in the second half after a promising first half.
This is the Tyrone Mings thread though Ian! Where else would you like a mistake by Tyrone Mings to be discussed?!
This is the Tyrone Mings thread though Ian! Where else would you like a mistake by Tyrone Mings to be discussed?!
Yeah ok! Good point. It’s just sometimes he gets a fair amount of stick and other players threads get no activity, it might get mentioned on the post match.
I still maintain he had a solid first half and his form has helped us become a much better team over the last few weeks. We’re better with him than without him. Other players had made mistakes and wrong decisions in the same match. Also we just didn’t seem to turn out in that second half. Maybe bringing Lukaku on played on our weakness and vulnerability even before he tore a new one in our back four.
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2021, 06:16:22 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 06:19:30 PM
This isn't saying Mings doesn't make mistakes or that he shouldn't be criticised for them, it's just that there seems to be a spotlight on him that doesn't happen for other players. My favourte being that if he boots the ball long hes accused of 'hoofing' but if he tries to play he's "fucking about at the back", often with the same people (certainly on social media) making whichever fits most closely to his lat game.
He should've jumped against Lukaku instead of trying to ease him off the ball, it was a mistake and he'll know that but it doesn't mean his shit, holding us back or desperate to be replaced for us to improve.
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2021, 06:19:33 PM
Yeah ok! Good point. It’s just sometimes he gets a fair amount of stick and other players threads get no activity,I see you are advocating proportional distribution. Fair enough I will spend next 15 mins praising or disparaging other players.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
The point though is that every mistake by Mings results in a few extra pages on here whereas that doesn't happen with other players. No criticism of Knosa on his thread for giving away the penalty for the 3rd for example....
As my Mom often used to say to me, "if you have the name of a good riser you can sleep till noon".
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 29, 2021, 06:47:06 PM
The point though is that every mistake by Mings results in a few extra pages on here whereas that doesn't happen with other players. No criticism of Knosa on his thread for giving away the penalty for the 3rd for example (and in general Konsa gets far less posts about mistakes when he makes them). I think people also forget that Mings is a less experienced central defender than Konsa who had a handful of games there before joining us and has been learning on the job.
This isn't saying Mings doesn't make mistakes or that he shouldn't be criticised for them, it's just that there seems to be a spotlight on him that doesn't happen for other players. My favourte being that if he boots the ball long hes accused of 'hoofing' but if he tries to play he's "fucking about at the back", often with the same people (certainly on social media) making whichever fits most closely to his lat game.
He should've jumped against Lukaku instead of trying to ease him off the ball, it was a mistake and he'll know that but it doesn't mean his shit, holding us back or desperate to be replaced for us to improve.
Spot on, this.
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 07:10:52 PM
I think you'd be hard pushed to argue that Mings hasn't made a lot more mistakes than any of the other defenders over the last 2-3 years. Even comparing his mistake to Konsa's is nonsense really if you look at the match. Konsa's was a last gasp attempt after Lukaku had completely got away from Targett. Mings made no attempt at all.
You've missed the point there, I'm not saying the mistakes from this specific match are comparable (although Mings getting more shit in his thread than Cash has on his does back up my point) but rather that every mistake Mings makes gets put under a microscope in a way that I can't think of any other player being treated, certainly not for a long time.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2021, 07:11:42 PM
We're a mid-table side - we're good for each other at the moment. When we improve, he will have to - or he will be replaced.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Cash also got stick for his Complete fuck up out but did not get any one rushing to his defence.
When Cash has a bunch of his own fans on his back over everything he does people might feel the need to point out how over the top the criticism is.
Honestly spend an hour looking up posts on facebook and twitter about Villa and, regardless of the topic, you'll find someone slagging off Mings in the vast majority of them. No other player gets anything like the amount of completely unneccessary bullshit and it's very hard to stop thinking that it might be because of who he is rather than what he does on the pitch. I'm not accussing anyone on here of anything but a lot of it is badly disguised racism aimed at someone who is one of the strongest anti-racism campaigners in the game.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
I don’t do Twitter or Facebook, but it would not surprise me if there were non football reasons for the abuse. One of the reasons I don’t do either.Cash also got stick for his Complete fuck up out but did not get any one rushing to his defence.
When Cash has a bunch of his own fans on his back over everything he does people might feel the need to point out how over the top the criticism is.
Honestly spend an hour looking up posts on facebook and twitter about Villa and, regardless of the topic, you'll find someone slagging off Mings in the vast majority of them. No other player gets anything like the amount of completely unneccessary bullshit and it's very hard to stop thinking that it might be because of who he is rather than what he does on the pitch. I'm not accussing anyone on here of anything but a lot of it is badly disguised racism aimed at someone who is one of the strongest anti-racism campaigners in the game.
The debate on here I think is stretched because people are rushing to defend Mings for what was a pretty obvious bit of shit defending.
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
I don’t do Twitter or Facebook, but it would not surprise me if there were non football reasons for the abuse. One of the reasons I don’t do either.Cash also got stick for his Complete fuck up out but did not get any one rushing to his defence.
When Cash has a bunch of his own fans on his back over everything he does people might feel the need to point out how over the top the criticism is.
Honestly spend an hour looking up posts on facebook and twitter about Villa and, regardless of the topic, you'll find someone slagging off Mings in the vast majority of them. No other player gets anything like the amount of completely unneccessary bullshit and it's very hard to stop thinking that it might be because of who he is rather than what he does on the pitch. I'm not accussing anyone on here of anything but a lot of it is badly disguised racism aimed at someone who is one of the strongest anti-racism campaigners in the game.
The debate on here I think is stretched because people are rushing to defend Mings for what was a pretty obvious bit of shit defending.
Are they? I think most people agree it was a mistake but have issue with the "we need an upgrade on Mings if we want to finish top half" posts that come out every time there's a goal that can be blamed on him.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2021, 07:54:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 08:07:16 PM
we need an upgrade on a lot of positions if we want to consistently finish top half.
I'm not sure, I think a handful of signings and some work on getting players fit enough to reduce the number of injuries they get and we're as good as all but 4-5 teams in the league. Our biggest problem in 2021 was not being able to field our best players for long stretches.
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 29, 2021, 09:45:47 PM
Fuck knows what shape his boots are.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 10:18:15 PM
so a few think that, so what? They are entitled to their opinions.I don’t do Twitter or Facebook, but it would not surprise me if there were non football reasons for the abuse. One of the reasons I don’t do either.Cash also got stick for his Complete fuck up out but did not get any one rushing to his defence.
When Cash has a bunch of his own fans on his back over everything he does people might feel the need to point out how over the top the criticism is.
Honestly spend an hour looking up posts on facebook and twitter about Villa and, regardless of the topic, you'll find someone slagging off Mings in the vast majority of them. No other player gets anything like the amount of completely unneccessary bullshit and it's very hard to stop thinking that it might be because of who he is rather than what he does on the pitch. I'm not accussing anyone on here of anything but a lot of it is badly disguised racism aimed at someone who is one of the strongest anti-racism campaigners in the game.
The debate on here I think is stretched because people are rushing to defend Mings for what was a pretty obvious bit of shit defending.
Are they? I think most people agree it was a mistake but have issue with the "we need an upgrade on Mings if we want to finish top half" posts that come out every time there's a goal that can be blamed on him.
Post by: passport1 on December 29, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 10:42:55 PM
I've heard it all now. Because some supporters don't rate Mings ability as a top defender it may be due to badly disguised racism????That appears to be the direction of travel.
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
I've heard it all now. Because some supporters don't rate Mings ability as a top defender it may be due to badly disguised racism????
No, because some supporters who are racist target him for abuse on social media people that defend him feel the need to do it more.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 29, 2021, 10:59:58 PM
I've heard it all now. Because some supporters don't rate Mings ability as a top defender it may be due to badly disguised racism????
Paul e can defend himself, but you’ve twisted what he said a bit here. He doesn’t say people aren’t entitled to not rate Mings. He points out he gets a far higher proportion of criticism on social media than other players in proportion to the number of errors. I would say given Mings profile and what he openly stands for there is something in this.
Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a poor decision when not challenging Lukaku on Sunday.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 29, 2021, 11:13:36 PM
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2021, 11:16:51 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 29, 2021, 11:37:02 PM
I have noticed that the same people who don't rate Mings often seem to have some sort of problem with Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua.
That's a stretch and then some
Joshua is wildly overated or was anyway.
Post by: Ian. on December 30, 2021, 12:18:54 AM
I’d rather look at the amount of good things Mings brings to our team on and off the pitch and in my eyes he’s as the title to this thread says, than focus on every mistake our captain might make. He’s an excellent centre half and a fantastic leader on the pitch. He’s not perfect by any means. Most of our players aren’t but that’s where we are at the moment. No doubt we will get an upgrade on him and many others currently in the team as well.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 30, 2021, 12:29:31 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:31:17 AM
Post by: frank black on December 30, 2021, 08:39:23 AM
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 30, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
Moving in the right direction.
Post by: adrenachrome on December 31, 2021, 12:51:25 AM
SG threw down the gauntlet re captaincy, and he has responded well.
Post by: Gerrin on December 31, 2021, 09:42:07 AM
I have noticed that the same people who don't rate Mings often seem to have some sort of problem with Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua.
That's a stretch and then some
Joshua is wildly overated or was anyway.
How exactly is Joshua overrated? Olympic champion, world champion, he's only lost 2 fights. I'd agree that Fury is a better fighter, but saying Joshua is overrated considering his achievements.
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
I have noticed that the same people who don't rate Mings often seem to have some sort of problem with Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua.
That's a stretch and then some
Joshua is wildly overated or was anyway.
How exactly is Joshua overrated? Olympic champion, world champion, he's only lost 2 fights. I'd agree that Fury is a better fighter, but saying Joshua is overrated considering his achievements.
Because he was the big hope for British boxing, and has arguably only beaten one really top fighter, and that was an ageing Klitschko.
Post by: sid1964 on December 31, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
As soon as lukaku came on he made Mings look what he is an average centre half
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
I wonder what it is that makes Mings attract more criticism than others?
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
And he made Konsa and Targett look like 12 year olds chasing Botham after Headingley, but we don't seem to be making the same assumptions about them.
I wonder what it is that makes Mings attract more criticism than others?
Erm, well surely then Konsa would be in for the same criticism?
But people need to cut it out with the thinly-veiled accusations of racism though. If you've got something to say, say it. Alluding to racism when none exists is a pretty poor show, and doesn't help the fight against real racism at all.
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2021, 11:51:24 AM
It's always been that way.
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
He's probably not good enough to be a top 6 centre half. His fellow black player who partners him at centre half on the other hand, is a sensational defender and will still be good enough for us when we qualify for the Champions League.
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2021, 12:03:53 PM
And when I say 'it's always been that way', I meant for black people that challenge attitudes.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2021, 12:10:22 PM
I have noticed that the same people who don't rate Mings often seem to have some sort of problem with Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua.
That's a stretch and then some
Joshua is wildly overated or was anyway.
How exactly is Joshua overrated? Olympic champion, world champion, he's only lost 2 fights. I'd agree that Fury is a better fighter, but saying Joshua is overrated considering his achievements.
Because he was the big hope for British boxing, and has arguably only beaten one really top fighter, and that was an ageing Klitschko.
Of course he was a hope - he was Olympic champion, and he's done the equivalent as a pro. He's proved himself every bit as much as FranK Bruno did, but for some reason Frank never got the same criticism.
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2021, 12:20:08 PM
I have noticed that the same people who don't rate Mings often seem to have some sort of problem with Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua.
That's a stretch and then some
Joshua is wildly overated or was anyway.
How exactly is Joshua overrated? Olympic champion, world champion, he's only lost 2 fights. I'd agree that Fury is a better fighter, but saying Joshua is overrated considering his achievements.
Because he was the big hope for British boxing, and has arguably only beaten one really top fighter, and that was an ageing Klitschko.
Of course he was a hope - he was Olympic champion, and he's done the equivalent as a pro. He's proved himself every bit as much as FranK Bruno did, but for some reason Frank never got the same criticism.
Well Audley Harrison was also Olympic champion, and he was dreadful. With Joshua, I think it's the way he's been hyped and marketed well above his actual ability. He's a good boxer, just not a great one. He's got the physique of a Greek God, but not the boxing ability to match. Fury on the other hand looks like a middle aged dad but more than compensates for that with sheer ability.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2022, 12:45:19 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 02:21:23 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
Of course Joshua is going to be hyped, as are all Olympic champions, but he's achived more than most.
Probably loses some brownie points on here for promoting 'Under Armour'.
Post by: algy on January 09, 2022, 02:50:34 PM
Mings has, apparently, paid a considerable sum of money to help with the funeral costs of a Villa fan who has died prematurely. Good on him.He's a good lad. Does himself, his family, and his club proud time & time again.
Whatever anyone elses misgivings are of him as a player, I bloody love Tyrone Mings. He's got a hard job breaking in to the favourite defenders category purely because there's basically 1 spot for central defenders given that God will take one every time. But favourite people? He's on Ian Taylor levels of awesome.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 15, 2022, 08:40:18 PM
Real captain quality.
Well played Ty
Post by: Ian. on January 15, 2022, 10:22:24 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 15, 2022, 10:26:21 PM
Great bloke, decent enough footballer
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 15, 2022, 10:26:46 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 15, 2022, 10:28:45 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2022, 02:07:12 PM
Post by: Cropley10 on January 16, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Gerrard looks for an upgrade in the summer.
I think it's obvious that SG has seen enough in certain areas, a tough,quality true central DM has been obvious for over a season now ( but they are
Digne is a major upgrade at LB and much as I like Matty, he needs major work on his crossing consistency,particularly with the wingback's importance in our system now( one great cross today but awful the rest)
Tyrone should have maybe flattened Fred for their 2nd, but hey ho ----he is our leader on the pitch though and you live or die by spur of the moment decisions like that ---brilliant run for the goal though!
Post by: AV82EC on January 16, 2022, 05:05:50 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2022, 05:10:35 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Gerrard looks for an upgrade in the summer.
I think it's obvious that SG has seen enough in certain areas, a tough,quality true central DM has been obvious for over a season now ( but they are
Digne is a major upgrade at LB and much as I like Matty, he needs major work on his crossing consistency,particularly with the wingback's importance in our system now( one great cross today but awful the rest)
Tyrone should have maybe flattened Fred for their 2nd, but hey ho ----he is our leader on the pitch though and you live or die by spur of the moment decisions like that ---brilliant run for the goal though!
I've seen this a few places and I don't get it at all, if Mings throws himself at that he has a tiny chance of winning the ball but realistically is giving them a dangerous free kick and risking a booking/sending off. He doesn't deserve any blame for his part in the 2nd, it was simply an unhit pass from Sanson who was falling over as he played the ball.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2022, 05:18:32 PM
Post by: nigel on January 16, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Gerrard looks for an upgrade in the summer.
I think it's obvious that SG has seen enough in certain areas, a tough,quality true central DM has been obvious for over a season now ( but they are
Digne is a major upgrade at LB and much as I like Matty, he needs major work on his crossing consistency,particularly with the wingback's importance in our system now( one great cross today but awful the rest)
Tyrone should have maybe flattened Fred for their 2nd, but hey ho ----he is our leader on the pitch though and you live or die by spur of the moment decisions like that ---brilliant run for the goal though!
I've seen this a few places and I don't get it at all, if Mings throws himself at that he has a tiny chance of winning the ball but realistically is giving them a dangerous free kick and risking a booking/sending off. He doesn't deserve any blame for his part in the 2nd, it was simply an unhit pass from Sanson who was falling over as he played the ball.
You could have bet your mortgage on him receiving a red card.
And then he’d have been moaned at for not standing off.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t
Post by: Ian. on January 16, 2022, 05:45:26 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2022, 06:20:10 PM
I really don’t know how anyone can blame Mings for that second goal. He was tremendous yesterday.
Agreed. And if you are going to do that you better tell us how fucking ace he was with that run for the first goal.
Post by: colin69 on January 16, 2022, 06:23:48 PM
The bloke behind me was moaning constantly about him throughout the game…I just don’t get it.
Post by: fredm on January 16, 2022, 06:34:46 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 06:57:45 PM
He just needs to move the ball forward quicker than he does most of the time. However, this may occur because those in front of him are not moving or getting into positions for him to be able to pass to them. If the ball is passed forward quicker it gives the opposition less time to get their defensive system sorted out.👍
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 07:00:19 PM
Post by: trinityoap on January 16, 2022, 07:18:30 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 07:21:03 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 16, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Gerrard looks for an upgrade in the summer.
I think it's obvious that SG has seen enough in certain areas, a tough,quality true central DM has been obvious for over a season now ( but they are
Digne is a major upgrade at LB and much as I like Matty, he needs major work on his crossing consistency,particularly with the wingback's importance in our system now( one great cross today but awful the rest)
Tyrone should have maybe flattened Fred for their 2nd, but hey ho ----he is our leader on the pitch though and you live or die by spur of the moment decisions like that ---brilliant run for the goal though!
I've seen this a few places and I don't get it at all, if Mings throws himself at that he has a tiny chance of winning the ball but realistically is giving them a dangerous free kick and risking a booking/sending off. He doesn't deserve any blame for his part in the 2nd, it was simply an unhit pass from Sanson who was falling over as he played the ball.
It's Mings so some have to try to find a way to blame him. If he'd dived in and it hadn't worked, everyone would be saying he shouldn't have been reckless.
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2022, 09:02:47 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 16, 2022, 09:19:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 09:23:13 PM
No cause for anything to be critical yesterday for the goals.
Previous maybe yes Lukaku goal at home on boxing day perhaps and even some could argue the McTominay header but yesterday he wasn't at fault at anytime
Too many rave on about Konsa who at times has alot of antics and always up for sniping and having a bit whereas Mings is someone who basically calms situations down
Shame people choose not to see that he's the best central defender at the club. Our captain and a very thoughtful and articulate as well as principled and varied person off it.
Post by: dave shelley on January 16, 2022, 09:28:24 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 10:09:33 PM
For me on that my points are clear and I didn't go looking I was merely pointing out from observations of Cash and Mings talking to him about his positioning, his giving away of free kick and possession as well as tracking back.
I not really sure why people fail to see those things but that's there perogative. Or at least theres an interpretation of those errors that are being spoken of in a way that suggest to me that its not being discussed in any critical manner including a very clear kicking of a water bottle
Anyway new years wishes to you and all the best for 2022 villa and your own good self.
Thanks I just see it differently but can see how it can be seen by some as similar to Mings criticism
How relevant and necessary is always the debate when it comes to critical view of our own players
Up the Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 16, 2022, 10:15:27 PM
A very happy and healthy new year to you too. Stay safe.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
"I am really excited, I love being a part of this club, love being captain, love everything this club stands for both on and off the pitch. I think we have made some brilliant signings, a fantastic squad. The club is going in the right direciton, we have stability, owners that want to take the club to the next level and players that want to push each other. It is a pleasure to be a part of."
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2022, 04:11:12 PM
What a guy!
"I am really excited, I love being a part of this club, love being captain, love everything this club stands for both on and off the pitch. I think we have made some brilliant signings, a fantastic squad. The club is going in the right direciton, we have stability, owners that want to take the club to the next level and players that want to push each other. It is a pleasure to be a part of."
I hope our transfer targets read that.
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2022, 04:15:21 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 22, 2022, 05:20:40 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 22, 2022, 07:29:26 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 07:39:43 PM
Didn't do much wrong I thought, obviously he will make mistakes like any other player, hopefully he's learnt from them
He seemed to attack a lot of headers he was never going to win. But even that might’ve been a conscious decision to use hammer v hammer.
I think he’s a legend and, as others have said, seems to get judged by a different set of rules.
Post by: Ian. on January 22, 2022, 07:42:38 PM
Didn't do much wrong I thought, obviously he will make mistakes like any other player, hopefully he's learnt from them
He seemed to attack a lot of headers he was never going to win. But even that might’ve been a conscious decision to use hammer v hammer.
I think he’s a legend and, as others have said, seems to get judged by a different set of rules.
Yep, me too, I think he’s brilliant and crucial to the team.
Post by: Matt C on January 22, 2022, 11:48:45 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 23, 2022, 03:32:50 AM
Post by: Ad@m on January 23, 2022, 08:02:47 AM
I still think the responsibility lies heavy on him, and the fact that as a defender all mistakes can lead to disaster where forwards can make a dozen mistakes but score once and all is forgiven.
The difference though is Konsa doesn't make those mistakes.
I don't think anyones questioning Mings' heart but occasionally his brain disconnects, like the moment in the first half where Everton played a ball over the top which he could've dealt with easily, he then ambled towards it giving Calvert-Lewin the chance to start closing him down, and although he still had plenty of time he misplaced the pass to Emi straight out for a corner.
Yes, all players make mistakes but that was just crap.
Post by: baddowvillans on January 23, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: de bank on January 23, 2022, 10:08:15 AM
Post by: Slaphead on January 23, 2022, 11:29:49 AM
Some of the things he does defensively is of the highest level, his blocking, tackles, his leadership. I would call top class. I also think (this is my opinion) that he has a mental weakness where he can struggle under pressure and make a gaff which those top players rarely do. His mistakes yesterday, he does them often and in most games. Every now and then they do lead to a goal.
As our captain, he does take responsibility for receiving the ball under pressure. His limitations though cause him to hoof the ball to the opposition, thus bringing pressure back on ourselves which happens too often in tight games.
I think there was a reason that there was a public uproar when he last started an England game, his form had visibly dropped. Also why Dean Smith dropped him, although soon reinstating him as regardless he is still on of our best two defenders. His links to the top clubs have also faded away.
I get why people love him, because I do to. I personally just think his vulnerabilities and limitations are too big and in the long term, he needs someone of a higher quality to compete with for a place in the team. Note how I say compete and not replace.
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2022, 11:33:35 AM
Post by: Gerrin on January 23, 2022, 11:38:38 AM
Thought his interview on match of the day was absolute class.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 12:58:57 PM
When he put the ball out for a corner with a terrible back pass to Emi was the only blip on his performance for me yesterday. He's a real leader, even when Grealish was captain Mings was the real leader.
Thought his interview on match of the day was absolute class.
He got caught under a couple of long balls as well, but other than that he was good and blocked or cleared nearly everything.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2022, 05:04:46 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 23, 2022, 05:09:59 PM
Post by: BC Villain on January 24, 2022, 06:58:09 AM
The more work he has to do, the better he is. Give him a ninety-minute bombardment and he'll be superb. Let him have time to think for a bit and he'll make a mistake.
He'd have been brilliant under Lambert on that basis
Post by: The Edge on January 24, 2022, 09:26:36 AM
Our win percentage is something like 11% without him. No sentiment there.Agreed. In the last 9 games without him we won 1 drew 2 lost 6. I'd say that's pretty conclusive.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 24, 2022, 10:10:47 AM
He's our club captain, generally a colossus at the back who leads by example - Not just on the field, but off it too. One of a small number of footballers who you could genuinely say is a role model for kids.
We'd be fucked without him.
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2022, 10:14:22 AM
The more work he has to do, the better he is. Give him a ninety-minute bombardment and he'll be superb. Let him have time to think for a bit and he'll make a mistake.
To be fair, I think that could be said of the whole team, I'm never more nervous with us than when we're dominating a game, we seem to lose focus
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 27, 2022, 08:44:25 PM
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1486707204631658498?s=21
Post by: paul_e on January 27, 2022, 09:02:34 PM
Mings just being a top fella
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1486707204631658498?s=21
Whatever people may say about him on the pitch I'd be happy for him to have some sort of role with the club for as long as he likes because of the stuff like this. This is what I want from the club captain.
Post by: Ian. on January 27, 2022, 09:08:09 PM
Post by: berneboy on January 27, 2022, 09:13:29 PM
He’s bloody ace.
I agree. And he may may not be the best centre back in the country but he’s a real fighter, a great leader and our captain.
Hail, King Ty!
Post by: chrisw1 on January 28, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
Probably our most important siging in the last 5 years. Very glad he's a Villan.
Post by: algy on January 28, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
Mings just being a top fellaHe's just a bloody great bloke. Glad & proud that he's at the club.
https://twitter.com/officialtm_3/status/1486707204631658498?s=21
Post by: ian c. on February 08, 2022, 02:03:51 PM
Link to Guardian article. LINK (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/08/tyrone-mings-aston-villa-steven-gerrard-pushing-us)
Post by: Gerrin on February 08, 2022, 07:52:16 PM
Tyrone Mings: ‘Steven Gerrard is pushing us to limits we didn’t know we could go to’
Link to Guardian article. LINK (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/08/tyrone-mings-aston-villa-steven-gerrard-pushing-us)
I read that earlier too. I really like him, I know he has the occasional balls up, but I don't think he deserves the stick he gets. He was hugely instrumental in our promotion. To see how he's turned his career around since joining on loan, is nothing short of amazing. He's seems grateful for every time he pulls on the claret and blue.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 09, 2022, 10:01:08 PM
Post by: Gary Penrice on February 09, 2022, 10:02:19 PM
Well. I've never criticised him until now but quite honestly if you can defend Mings tonight you're on your own.
Totally agree! He's a liability.
Post by: Ian. on February 09, 2022, 10:02:52 PM
Well. I've never criticised him until now but quite honestly if you can defend Mings tonight you're on your own.
He wasn’t alone though. Konsa was awful too.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 09, 2022, 10:03:33 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 09, 2022, 10:03:45 PM
Post by: brackley on February 09, 2022, 10:05:27 PM
Post by: Randy Gurner on February 09, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2022, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 09, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on February 09, 2022, 10:17:22 PM
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2022, 10:18:14 PM
Like Trez, El Ghazi and the rest - thanks for the memories. Time to be replaced.
Agreed.
Post by: LukeJames on February 09, 2022, 10:19:35 PM
Post by: usav on February 09, 2022, 10:20:42 PM
Post by: ursineultra on February 09, 2022, 10:22:01 PM
Like Trez, El Ghazi and the rest - thanks for the memories. Time to be replaced.100% this.
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 09, 2022, 10:22:11 PM
Without Mings that defence is twice as bad as with him in it
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 10:23:57 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 09, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
I think a lot of it is that he has to think for the others….Konsa never wants the ball…hardly ever creates with it when he does have it…just gives it back to Mings….
Without Mings that defence is twice as bad as with him in it
None of that has anything to do with his mistakes today.
Post by: brontebilly on February 09, 2022, 10:27:54 PM
I think a lot of it is that he has to think for the others….Konsa never wants the ball…hardly ever creates with it when he does have it…just gives it back to Mings….
Without Mings that defence is twice as bad as with him in it
Mings was at fault for all three goals. Mings is ok in games like Everton where the ball is being chucked into the box. Bielsa clearly targeted him tonight, let him have the ball and watch him run into trouble. Again and again and again.
Beaten by Daniel James in the air for the second! Our back four have no competition for their places really either. None of Young, Hause and Chambers are anywhere near the quality required to displace any of the back 4 regularly. That's a real problem.
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
Be careful what you wish for….
I wish for him to not be playing for Villa next season.
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 09, 2022, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Ad@m on February 09, 2022, 10:46:18 PM
Brilliant goal line clearance, immediately followed by a complete brain fart to give 2 points away.
I'm not sure if it's all Mings' fault but he's certainly part of the problem. We simply can't keep conceding this many goals.
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 10:47:24 PM
I feel bad criticising his performances because he's such a nice guy.
Criticise but don’t damn him…he’s our heart
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 09, 2022, 10:48:09 PM
With A FibI feel bad criticising his performances because he's such a nice guy.
Criticise but don’t damn him…he’s our heart
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 10:50:32 PM
Fib???With A FibI feel bad criticising his performances because he's such a nice guy.
Criticise but don’t damn him…he’s our heart
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2022, 10:53:22 PM
Fib???With A FibI feel bad criticising his performances because he's such a nice guy.
Criticise but don’t damn him…he’s our heart
I'm guessing 'Atrial Fibrillation' i.e. with an irregular heartbeat.
Post by: Mellin on February 09, 2022, 10:53:45 PM
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 10:55:53 PM
At fault for two, not three, imo. There’s a good camera angle from behind the goal for the James header. Mings manages to muscle James out the way, but when Buendia flies in he actually pushes James’ head back toward the ball. James is just being ragdolled around and it happens to hit the top of his head and in.Have you played football??
Post by: Mellin on February 09, 2022, 10:56:45 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 09, 2022, 10:57:09 PM
I think a lot of it is that he has to think for the others….Konsa never wants the ball…hardly ever creates with it when he does have it…just gives it back to Mings….
Without Mings that defence is twice as bad as with him in it
Mings was at fault for all three goals. Mings is ok in games like Everton where the ball is being chucked into the box. Bielsa clearly targeted him tonight, let him have the ball and watch him run into trouble. Again and again and again.
Beaten by Daniel James in the air for the second! Our back four have no competition for their places really either. None of Young, Hause and Chambers are anywhere near the quality required to displace any of the back 4 regularly. That's a real problem.
Yup….that’s about it…he’s the best we have in his position( left side ch) and nothing to challenge him….when he got dropped by Smith wasn’t he great on his return??
Post by: brontebilly on February 09, 2022, 10:58:09 PM
I think a lot of it is that he has to think for the others….Konsa never wants the ball…hardly ever creates with it when he does have it…just gives it back to Mings….
Without Mings that defence is twice as bad as with him in it
Mings was at fault for all three goals. Mings is ok in games like Everton where the ball is being chucked into the box. Bielsa clearly targeted him tonight, let him have the ball and watch him run into trouble. Again and again and again.
Beaten by Daniel James in the air for the second! Our back four have no competition for their places really either. None of Young, Hause and Chambers are anywhere near the quality required to displace any of the back 4 regularly. That's a real problem.
Yup….that’s about it…he’s the best we have in his position( left side ch) and nothing to challenge him….when he got dropped by Smith wasn’t he great on his return??
Great in his own head maybe.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2022, 11:02:04 PM
I thought he was way better than Konsa who was mindless in what he did to be sent off
Not to mention Ty had to put up with Leeds abusing him and would have liked far more support for him.
The man plays his own game he should be appluaded and lauded .
Buendia was ruining things all night by messing up passes and poor final balls he capped it off by barging James and Mings for the James 'header'
Mings is first on team sheet leader and inspiration to all. And the Leeds fans should be ashamed of themselves
Post by: Randy Gurner on February 09, 2022, 11:15:17 PM
And what about TM attacking forrays including his magic left wing displays , that he nearly scored 2 headers and that he brought ball forward several times and beats his players
I thought he was way better than Konsa who was mindless in what he did to be sent off
Not to mention Ty had to put up with Leeds abusing him and would have liked far more support for him.
The man plays his own game he should be appluaded and lauded .
Buendia was ruining things all night by messing up passes and poor final balls he capped it off by barging James and Mings for the James 'header'
Mings is first on team sheet leader and inspiration to all. And the Leeds fans should be ashamed of themselves
Mings is first on the team sheet at Cheltenham Town at a push. He’s the weakest link and has been for a long time
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 09, 2022, 11:20:26 PM
SillyAnd what about TM attacking forrays including his magic left wing displays , that he nearly scored 2 headers and that he brought ball forward several times and beats his players
I thought he was way better than Konsa who was mindless in what he did to be sent off
Not to mention Ty had to put up with Leeds abusing him and would have liked far more support for him.
The man plays his own game he should be appluaded and lauded .
Buendia was ruining things all night by messing up passes and poor final balls he capped it off by barging James and Mings for the James 'header'
Mings is first on team sheet leader and inspiration to all. And the Leeds fans should be ashamed of themselves
Mings is first on the team sheet at Cheltenham Town at a push. He’s the weakest link and
has been for a long time
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2022, 11:21:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2022, 11:26:11 PM
And what about TM attacking forrays including his magic left wing displays , that he nearly scored 2 headers and that he brought ball forward several times and beats his players
I thought he was way better than Konsa who was mindless in what he did to be sent off
Not to mention Ty had to put up with Leeds abusing him and would have liked far more support for him.
The man plays his own game he should be appluaded and lauded .
Buendia was ruining things all night by messing up passes and poor final balls he capped it off by barging James and Mings for the James 'header'
Mings is first on team sheet leader and inspiration to all. And the Leeds fans should be ashamed of themselves
Mings is first on the team sheet at Cheltenham Town at a push. He’s the weakest link and has been for a long time
You're as bad as those leeds lot. He's a very solid and tidy player. He actually under appreciated because of the way he plays the game I think people aren't liking his playing on his own game and get impatient with him.
Mings clearly carries responsibility of other players and the team and takes on extra pressure. Unfair to make comments that he's lower league player as he more than shown he's international player I think getting behind him help his confidence rather than nit pick his small errors
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 10, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
Thought he made some decent clearances and started a few attacks with some good forays into the oppo’s half. I thought there were a few other who were worse yet Mings appears to be getting the most criticism.
It’s been proven many times that we’re poorer without him.
Post by: Ian. on February 10, 2022, 12:07:55 AM
I’m clearly in the minority. First goal, yes it got caught under his feet and then once played into the area it was a good finish. 2nd goal he could have done a bit better but another of our players came in at the back post to try and help out and seemed to cause more problems than solve. 3rd goal, I’m presuming Mings is getting the blame for not clearing the ball fully and it rebounding to the scorer? Think it was Mings but hard to see from the other end but what’s he supposed to do as I thought he was off balance when clearing the ball.
Thought he made some decent clearances and started a few attacks with some good forays into the oppo’s half. I thought there were a few other who were worse yet Mings appears to be getting the most criticism.
It’s been proven many times that we’re poorer without him.
I’d agree with that but add collectively we defended poor all night as a unit. We really did let in three terrible goals. It was a very bonkers game.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 10, 2022, 12:10:14 AM
Half the problem is that there is no protection of the defence with such a lightweight midfield in front of them.
McGinn, Luiz and Watkins were far worse tonight imo, but I don’t hear as many ‘fans’ ripping into them?
Post by: Randy Gurner on February 10, 2022, 12:14:21 AM
And what about TM attacking forrays including his magic left wing displays , that he nearly scored 2 headers and that he brought ball forward several times and beats his players
I thought he was way better than Konsa who was mindless in what he did to be sent off
Not to mention Ty had to put up with Leeds abusing him and would have liked far more support for him.
The man plays his own game he should be appluaded and lauded .
Buendia was ruining things all night by messing up passes and poor final balls he capped it off by barging James and Mings for the James 'header'
Mings is first on team sheet leader and inspiration to all. And the Leeds fans should be ashamed of themselves
Mings is first on the team sheet at Cheltenham Town at a push. He’s the weakest link and has been for a long time
You're as bad as those leeds lot. He's a very solid and tidy player. He actually under appreciated because of the way he plays the game I think people aren't liking his playing on his own game and get impatient with him.
Mings clearly carries responsibility of other players and the team and takes on extra pressure. Unfair to make comments that he's lower league player as he more than shown he's international player I think getting behind him help his confidence rather than nit pick his small errors
Mings was (mostly) great in the championship and like someone else mentioned, he will be remembered fondly alongside El Ghazi, Trez, Albert, Elmo etc as someone who brought some pride back to the club after years in the doldrums BUT the consistent mistakes are now directly responsible for dropping points. Tonight he’s responsible for two, if not all three goals. In isolation the odd mistake is fine / expected but this is happening in every game. Add to that the fact he’s the captain and it’s simply not good enough.
He probably needs a change of scenery - which I can see happening this summer.
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 12:19:21 AM
Personally, I think he gets unduly criticised - Any mistake he makes is magnified way more than any other player.
Half the problem is that there is no protection of the defence with such a lightweight midfield in front of them.
McGinn, Luiz and Watkins were far worse tonight imo, but I don’t hear as many ‘fans’ ripping into them?
His mistakes get magnified more when they lead to goals. As they did for all three goals tonight. He's entitled to think Konsa should have bailed him out for the first and got the block in but he makes the initial mistake under no pressure. Second, any centre half with his physical size should be making that ball his without question. Third was just an utterly embarrassing effort to clear a routine ball with his right foot.
Post by: olaftab on February 10, 2022, 12:38:16 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 10, 2022, 01:28:02 AM
At fault for all 3 goals scored by Leeds. SG's top priority is to replace him in the summer.
Agreed. It's so very tiresome to get up at 5 to watch Mings ambling around like a pub player. Useless tonight.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 10, 2022, 02:18:56 AM
Post by: ROBBO on February 10, 2022, 05:18:45 AM
Post by: PhilVill on February 10, 2022, 06:46:26 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 10, 2022, 06:59:20 AM
I've only read the last few posts, so it might have been said already, but if SJM and Luiz had been at the races he might not have been under so much pressure so often.
Absolutely. We defended as a unit like a pub side. Mings had a stinker but so did others. He’s still a brilliant captain and very influential to our team.
Post by: dicedlam on February 10, 2022, 08:38:53 AM
Failure to do so will result in all of us discussing the same issues again next season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 10, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
As others have mentioned though I thought McGinn, Luiz and Ramseys defensive performance was really poor so the whole back 4 was massively exposed and we were getting dragged out of shape far too easily by out wide overloads and midfield runners. That of course leads to errors, poor decisions and the crap goals we gave away.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2022, 09:04:45 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 10, 2022, 09:09:55 AM
The way we are set up to play does Konsa and Mings no favours. If you're going to play with attacking full backs then you need defensively minded midfielders to cover their runs and the centre backs. The 3 we have are excellent going forwards, but poor defensively, which is why it was important to bring in a dcm.
Where was Luiz to cover Mings and Konsa for the 1st?
Ramsey and Cash were like statues for the back flick leading to the second. Where was the defender/midfielder reacting to Mings clearance for the 3rd?
Our manager/coaches need to do some work to give better protection to our cbs and that might mean tinkering with the system he prefers until he has the players (particularly midfielders) who can implement it fully.
Posters make me laugh when they talk about upgrades on players. Who are these upgrades for a team in our lower mid-table position? And in case it's gone unnoticed the transfer window is now closed till the summer, so talk of "upgrades" is pointless while there are 15 or so games still to play.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2022, 09:14:26 AM
Liverpool’s centre backs get the pressure too but when you have someone as good as Van Diyk there it doesn’t matter too much. You did see the difference last season when he was out of the team though and even more when Henderson was out as well who offers the necessary protection.
And of all the players over the past year or so we’re fond of but we need to think about upgrading he gets the most Kudos of all of them. He was almost McGrath like in the championship and a massive reason we got promoted.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 10, 2022, 09:23:59 AM
Everybody is going to need upgrading at some stage including the coaching/management team and those upgrades will also need upgrading, so talk of upgrades is an obvious non-argument.
Post by: Pat Mustard on February 10, 2022, 09:31:25 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2022, 09:41:05 AM
I used to be more highly critical of Mings and his clangers but its really blinkered to say he was responsible for the three goals last night. He stands up while St McGinn and Little Luiz give bugger-all protection in front of him. The type of player that teammates love having and miss badly when he's not around. My preference would be for us to get in a genuine top-class centre back who can play on the left or right, and that Mings can look up to.
Post by: caster troy on February 10, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
The problem with this is it can lead to both types of clangers in quick succession, which we saw in the game last night. As others have said, he doesn't hide and you have to respect that, and at least you can see him trying to do the right thing even if it doesn't come off. But there is a fundamental issue there. Personally I think he needs to stick to his natural game, I can live with a couple of mistakes a season if he is otherwise comfortable and playing to his strengths.
Post by: olaftab on February 10, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
And even Van Dyck isn't immune to the odd stinker - 7-2 anyone?Odd stinker is fine now and then but a few every game is not acceptable.
Post by: murgsy on February 10, 2022, 12:16:50 PM
We cannot judge Mings fairly based on the above.
Throw in the mix what Eamonn said above and it creates a more complex picture as a player re. mistakes and confidence.
He can be really frustrating when he makes those mistakes but I would not be quick to get rid of him at all.
Post by: Risso on February 10, 2022, 12:19:06 PM
Post by: john e on February 10, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
his loses his head and starts doing stupid things
just spit your gum out, get your head down do the basics right, rein it in a bit and rebuild a bit of confidence
Don’t over elaborate you’re not Baresi don’t get caught in possession sure and simple passes
Also try and move the ball forward a bit quicker to someone who has a bit more ability and we should be fine
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
Konsa was poor last night as well, but that doesn’t excuse Mings. That pass straight to their player was inexcusable. The lung busting runs forward would be OK if they were on top of him doing his day job well, which he isn’t. As well as the mistakes leading directly to goals, there were also the times he just passed the ball straight out of play when under no pressure.
He was off-balance and it was an instinctive slice away from goal. Reflexes more than anything, harsh to blame him.
I had a premonition we were going to concede from that corner. It must be a Villa (or football generally) trope where a defender makes a goal-saving intervention much to everyone's delight only to bugger-up in the next phase of play. Within the space of a minute, he saved with his face and chest off the line, then did the Rocky Balboa charging header over the bar to concede a corner before assisting the equaliser.
Bless him but he's too much at the heart of what we do. Konsa is not as noticeable and quietly gets on with his game which in some ways is preferable in a centre back but you can't fault Tyrone's willingness to fight for his team. I'd like a 30 year-old Gary Cahill beside him to take the pressure off and teach him. Again, I come back to Mings' England performances at the Euros. Barely noticeable, no mistakes, clean sheets etc. I think his early form at Villa, given demi-God status as we powered to promotion has almost informed the type of player he feels he has to be for us, further accentuated by him becoming captain. He feeds-off the responsibility but his natural defects sometimes shine a harsh light on the mistakes he makes. Still love him though.
Post by: rougegorge on February 10, 2022, 12:49:02 PM
when he’s made a mistake he tries to hard to make up for itI agree. He can put in some very good performances, but scrolling back through this thread highlights the mistakes to which he is prone. Last night, as soon as he lost the ball that led to their first goal, he was on some kind of mission to redeem himself and then he ended up making more errors and it generates uncertainty at the back.
his loses his head and starts doing stupid things
just spit your gum out, get your head down do the basics right, rein it in a bit and rebuild a bit of confidence
Don’t over elaborate you’re not Baresi don’t get caught in possession sure and simple passes
Also try and move the ball forward a bit quicker to someone who has a bit more ability and we should be fine
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
Konsa was poor last night as well, but that doesn’t excuse Mings. That pass straight to their player was inexcusable. The lung busting runs forward would be OK if they were on top of him doing his day job well, which he isn’t. As well as the mistakes leading directly to goals, there were also the times he just passed the ball straight out of play when under no pressure.
He was off-balance and it was an instinctive slice away from goal. Reflexes more than anything, harsh to blame him.
Harsh to blame him, yeh perhaps if kicking a football wasn't his job.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 10, 2022, 01:11:53 PM
Keep your head up Ty and do us proud! UTV!
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2022, 01:12:42 PM
I dont disagree that more of the composure and less Rambo would be good, but like I said above, he doesn't shirk and is a leader.
Post by: Beard82 on February 10, 2022, 01:15:31 PM
It came at him quickly and was a natural reflex to kick the ball anywhere. He was unfortunate it went straight to the Leeds dude.I Agree. I think we miss him when hes not there. I wouldnt be in a rush to replace him - maybe give him some competition - but I think there are very few CB that would be an upgrade on him, and all he brings to the team.
I dont disagree that more of the composure and less Rambo would be good, but like I said above, he doesn't shirk and is a leader.
Post by: berneboy on February 10, 2022, 01:19:53 PM
Keep your head up Ty and do us proud! UTV!
Well said. I know he makes errors and can be frustrating but he a warrior and leads the troops into battle - first over the top is more likely to be killed.
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 10, 2022, 01:47:51 PM
Post by: trinityoap on February 10, 2022, 01:55:48 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 10, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
Tumbleweed……
Post by: LukeJames on February 10, 2022, 02:00:58 PM
Complete the following sentence---Mings is useless and should be replaced by (insert name of better, available and achievable centre back).
This reminds me of the Who could we get thats better than Steve Bruce argument?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 10, 2022, 02:03:21 PM
It came at him quickly and was a natural reflex to kick the ball anywhere. He was unfortunate it went straight to the Leeds dude.
That was my take on it, his weight seemed to be transferred to his standing left foot so his right didn’t have the momentum to carry any strength to get the ball away, all he could do was block it and it fell kindly to their player.
Post by: Drummond on February 10, 2022, 02:05:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 10, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
I asked the same question about 3 weeks ago….
Tumbleweed……
Who does he play for? Sounds like he'd be good at covering any space left at the back.
Post by: OCD on February 10, 2022, 02:38:21 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 10, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
Complete the following sentence---Mings is useless and should be replaced by (insert name of better, available and achievable centre back).
This reminds me of the Who could we get thats better than Steve Bruce argument?
Except I'm struggling to think of anyone on this website who made that argument. And in addition, the Managers and players you have are a reflection of, or relative to, where you are in the industry at that time.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
Was the answer a cabbage?Complete the following sentence---Mings is useless and should be replaced by (insert name of better, available and achievable centre back).
This reminds me of the Who could we get thats better than Steve Bruce argument?
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 02:52:41 PM
Konsa was poor last night as well, but that doesn’t excuse Mings. That pass straight to their player was inexcusable. The lung busting runs forward would be OK if they were on top of him doing his day job well, which he isn’t. As well as the mistakes leading directly to goals, there were also the times he just passed the ball straight out of play when under no pressure.
He was off-balance and it was an instinctive slice away from goal. Reflexes more than anything, harsh to blame him.
I had a premonition we were going to concede from that corner. It must be a Villa (or football generally) trope where a defender makes a goal-saving intervention much to everyone's delight only to bugger-up in the next phase of play. Within the space of a minute, he saved with his face and chest off the line, then did the Rocky Balboa charging header over the bar to concede a corner before assisting the equaliser.
Bless him but he's too much at the heart of what we do. Konsa is not as noticeable and quietly gets on with his game which in some ways is preferable in a centre back but you can't fault Tyrone's willingness to fight for his team. I'd like a 30 year-old Gary Cahill beside him to take the pressure off and teach him. Again, I come back to Mings' England performances at the Euros. Barely noticeable, no mistakes, clean sheets etc. I think his early form at Villa, given demi-God status as we powered to promotion has almost informed the type of player he feels he has to be for us, further accentuated by him becoming captain. He feeds-off the responsibility but his natural defects sometimes shine a harsh light on the mistakes he makes. Still love him though.
England were playing a back 6 or 7 in those Euros games weren't they? Rice and Phillips sitting ahead of Mings against Lyndon Dykes and the likes. He did well but that's as handy a gig as you can get.
As his eventual replacement Maguire is finding to his cost at club level this season, the days of centre backs in the modern game being allowed to sit deep with two holding midfielders in front of them is over. Mings either adapts and improves or he will be moved on.
If Luiz, McGinn, Nakamba or whoever don't have the technical ability (McG or Naka) or moral courage (Luiz) to take the ball off the back on the half turn under pressure then Mings shouldn't be trying to cover for their failures by running it out. It was a clear tactic from Leeds to allow that last night and we fell into their trap.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 10, 2022, 03:01:56 PM
As someone mentioned above, he'd just made 2 goal line clearances and was off balance when he kicked it to the Leeds player for their third. If the rest of the defense and midfield had put the same amount of effort in yesterday, we wouldn't have lost that game.
He's the captain of our club. A bloody great ambassador for our club, and a brilliant role model for our Villa supporting kids (especially compared to the last one!).
I really hope he doesn't read some of the bollocks written about him on here and social media. Part of me wonders if it is because fans take offense to his intelligence and thoughtfulness sometimes, and would much prefer a thick as shit, womanising local pisshead with shit dress sense/haircut instead.
Be careful what you wish for is all I'd say.
Post by: Simon Page on February 10, 2022, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: supertom on February 10, 2022, 03:28:32 PM
That being said. Mings does need to be upgraded if we have top 6 aspirations. Honestly, Konsa probably does too. But the game yesterday was the very best and worst in Mings perfectly encapsulated. A Maldini-esque surging run. A great block and a fantastic last ditch header in two Leeds attacks, shortly before a piss poor tapped clearence straight to Llorente for their equaliser.
So yeah, Mings needs improving upon but to get better we'll be spending upwards of 40-50 mill and then there's no guarantee you get someone less error prone. You might get a CH more consistent on the ball and better at getting us forward on the transition quickly (where Mings flits between woeful and pretty good, with the occasionally surprising brilliant moment).
If you asked me to name 10 rock solid, error proof defenders in World football, I'd struggle (VVD on his game, but even he's had some ropey games in the last 18 months). I could name you dozens of brilliant midfielders and attackers. Defenders don't like defending any more.
Part of our problem is also less Mings, and more the lack of a defensive midfielder who can effectively slip back in between our CH's whilst our fully's have bombed on. We give away more chances/set pieces than we might on the transition. Doug is great on the ball but is never close to opposition players. McGinn is aggressive but often like a Jack Russell chasing a tennis ball.
Post by: FatSam on February 10, 2022, 03:54:50 PM
There have been times in the last couple of years when we have been conceding enormous numbers of shots on goal. At the same time he has been recording enormous numbers of blocks. If he had more protection in front of him, and someone winning headers on the 6-yard line at corners, he would make less of what some people are categorising as "mistakes".
Konsa and Mings are a good partnership. They complement each other, and Konsa wouldn't be able to glide around the place without Mings doing the dirty work. Introducing Tuanzebe in-between them didn't work. It's important to have a left-sided centre back who can make progressive passes. With some movement ahead of him, he does this well IMO.
I'm not saying that Mings can't be improved upon, but it would be a Van Dijk or Dias type signing, who we may or may not be able to attract without CL football. I'd be looking to improve the midfield long before replacing Mings.
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2022, 04:01:06 PM
If Luiz, McGinn, Nakamba or whoever don't have the technical ability (McG or Naka) or moral courage (Luiz) to take the ball off the back on the half turn under pressure then Mings shouldn't be trying to cover for their failures by running it out. It was a clear tactic from Leeds to allow that last night and we fell into their trap.
How exactly was that trap and how did we fall into it?
We nearly scored from one of those breaks and none of their goals came as a result of Mings carrying the ball out of defence.
We made a few defensive mistakes (as a unit) and they were punished, it wasn't because of some masterplan Bielsa came up with to target Mings by letting him have space on the ball.
Post by: caster troy on February 10, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
I think I know the answer, and I do wonder if it affected him.
Post by: FatSam on February 10, 2022, 04:15:55 PM
Another thing about last night in particular, why were the Leeds fans giving him so much abuse? He's never let England down when called upon, and I don't remember him doing anything to wind them up in the past.Maybe, but I think it was probably because he lost his head in the same fixture last season when he was up against Bamford. I think that game last season was his worst for Villa, and more worthy of criticism than anything he did last night. He allowed the red mist to descend, which affected his game. In turn, the reason for this was Bamford's repeated playacting, both in the EPL and Championship games between the two sides.
I think I know the answer, and I do wonder if it affected him.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2022, 04:17:09 PM
I think I know the answer, and I do wonder if it affected him.
What’s the answer?
Post by: Risso on February 10, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 10, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
Newcastle's pre-match thread on one of their forums..
https://newcastle-online.org/topic/37204-newcastle-united-vs-aston-villa-13022022-2pm-sky/?do=getNewComment
"Konsa out of this after a daft sending off"
"Thank god Mings didn't get sent off or injured there"
Post by: LukeJames on February 10, 2022, 04:22:57 PM
They started singing Tyrone Mings is Fucking Shit when he passed the ball straight out for a throw when under no pressure at all. He then fucked up for the first goal. Then the second goal. Then the third goal.
That'll show them!
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2022, 04:26:32 PM
They started singing Tyrone Mings is Fucking Shit when he passed the ball straight out for a throw when under no pressure at all. He then fucked up for the first goal. Then the second goal. Then the third goal.
That’s the way I saw it as well. He’s now a well known footballer who had a bad start to the game so the opposing fans took the piss out of him. I’m not sure it was that which effected the rest of his night though as I think he’s the sort of guy who dwells on his cock ups anyway and it effects him, as one or two others have said.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
They started singing Tyrone Mings is Fucking Shit when he passed the ball straight out for a throw when under no pressure at all. He then fucked up for the first goal. Then the second goal. Then the third goal.
Yeh but why did they think he was fucking shit?
Post by: Richard E on February 10, 2022, 04:58:18 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 10, 2022, 05:05:19 PM
Only the impressionable would be rubbing their thighs over this.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 10, 2022, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 10, 2022, 05:21:41 PM
I am still glad we have him warts and all
Me too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 10, 2022, 05:22:58 PM
Fans of other teams just dont rate him.
Exactly, I'll often have a gander on a number of other clubs' sites when we're on TV (and particularly when we're winning :) ). Not once have I read anyone wishing they'd signed him or indeed any praise for him at all. It's generally that he's prone to making ricks, he's gash and questioning how the f**k is he playing for England. At best the view is he wouldn't playing for England if he weren't left-sided. A given club's supporters often tend to value their own players than higher others do but the general consensus out there is that he's not very good.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 10, 2022, 05:26:08 PM
Fans of other teams just dont rate him.
Exactly, I'll often have a gander on a number of other clubs' sites when we're on TV (and particularly when we're winning :) ). Not once have I read anyone wishing they'd signed him or indeed any praise for him at all. It's generally that he's prone to making ricks, he's gash and questioning how the f**k is he playing for England. At best the view is he wouldn't playing for England if he weren't left-sided. A given club's supporters often tend to value their own players than higher others do but the general consensus out there is that he's not very good.
See also Maguire
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 10, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
Fans of other teams just dont rate him.
Exactly, I'll often have a gander on a number of other clubs' sites when we're on TV (and particularly when we're winning :) ). Not once have I read anyone wishing they'd signed him or indeed any praise for him at all. It's generally that he's prone to making ricks, he's gash and questioning how the f**k is he playing for England. At best the view is he wouldn't playing for England if he weren't left-sided. A given club's supporters often tend to value their own players than higher others do but the general consensus out there is that he's not very good.
Fans of other clubs can fuck off, frankly.
Post by: olaftab on February 10, 2022, 06:23:57 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2022, 06:24:49 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
If Luiz, McGinn, Nakamba or whoever don't have the technical ability (McG or Naka) or moral courage (Luiz) to take the ball off the back on the half turn under pressure then Mings shouldn't be trying to cover for their failures by running it out. It was a clear tactic from Leeds to allow that last night and we fell into their trap.
How exactly was that trap and how did we fall into it?
We nearly scored from one of those breaks and none of their goals came as a result of Mings carrying the ball out of defence.
We made a few defensive mistakes (as a unit) and they were punished, it wasn't because of some masterplan Bielsa came up with to target Mings by letting him have space on the ball.
A few defensive mistakes? Leeds pressed hard on likes of Luiz (who hid let's be honest). They wanted Mings to have the ball. He ran the ball nearly out of play at one point after a mixup with Digne. That wasn't an accident.
We did nearly...score from that break before half time. But I'd far prefer if Mings stuck to the basics.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 10, 2022, 06:44:30 PM
Post by: john e on February 10, 2022, 06:50:01 PM
Playing for England is not the gold standard. McGuire, Stones and Shaw play for England.
That’s one of the points people are making though
There is a real lack of quality central defenders not just in this country but across Europe
If you had 50-70 Mill to spend on a centre half who would realistically come who do you go out and get
Because I’ve got no idea
Mings and Konsa are as good as most of the central defenders in the league look at those two at Spurs last night getting absolute pelters today
I am like a stuck record saying that they are decent defenders when they do the basics right but lack quality in technical areas including ball control and composure
and I would love us to bring someone in who could take us to the next level in that area but who is it ?
Sometimes you just got to make do with what you’ve got
Hopefully there might be one or two coming through from the youth and Academy side
Post by: Beard82 on February 10, 2022, 07:08:25 PM
Agree with this 100% - they both good players - if they were any better they wouldnt be playing for us quite frankly - because there are so few good center halfs around.Playing for England is not the gold standard. McGuire, Stones and Shaw play for England.
That’s one of the points people are making though
There is a real lack of quality central defenders not just in this country but across Europe
If you had 50-70 Mill to spend on a centre half who would realistically come who do you go out and get
Because I’ve got no idea
Mings and Konsa are as good as most of the central defenders in the league look at those two at Spurs last night getting absolute pelters today
I am like a stuck record saying that they are decent defenders when they do the basics right but lack quality in technical areas including ball control and composure
and I would love us to bring someone in who could take us to the next level in that area but who is it ?
Sometimes you just got to make do with what you’ve got
Hopefully there might be one or two coming through from the youth and Academy side
I think having a dm that could give them a bit of cover, and take the ball off them so they can stick to the basics more often is the best bet.
I get the frustration people have with them both - but they are exposed a lot. They were one of the best pairings in the league last season.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 10, 2022, 09:56:42 PM
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors directly leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 10:31:17 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 10, 2022, 10:34:13 PM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
What 'argument' does it 'settle'? What is the source of the 'fact'? Have the figures
been simply aggregated over a period of time that just happens to be the last three years? Might any allowance be given to the total number of games played by each player that may happen to feature on the list, so as to give some sort of average figure per game? Is there any allowance for the number of goals conceded per team? Might it not be unreasonable to expect that a central defender will figure high on such a list? How is an 'error' defined, for the purpose of such a list?
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 10, 2022, 10:35:57 PM
Post by: amfy on February 10, 2022, 10:45:06 PM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 11, 2022, 03:16:50 AM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Applause!
Post by: passport1 on February 11, 2022, 05:19:28 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 11, 2022, 05:34:32 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 11, 2022, 05:37:02 AM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Applause!
Well said Amfy!
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 11, 2022, 06:32:00 AM
Pretty clear to me but hey ho.
Post by: Ian. on February 11, 2022, 06:38:30 AM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Applause!
Very well said Amfy.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 11, 2022, 07:29:55 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2022, 08:13:57 AM
Pick up good fee for him and move him on .He's not good enough for the level Villa wish to play at.
What level, Champions League? Maybe not against the top teams but for me he’s good enough to help us get there. If you take the villa tinted glasses off that same label could be put on quite a few others.
If the scouts can find a left footed centre half to consistently compete the competition would be good for him.
Of course he has his ups and downs but he’s a leader, he’s vocal, he organises, it’s often more chaotic when he’s not there and those qualities are not shown by any other current players, with the possible exception of Emi, which for me is a real feather in Tyrone’s cap. By all means competition is good but as has been said a better player would cost a lot and hard to find. Is Tarkowski better, I don’t know but he was being valued at £40m a few seasons back.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2022, 08:41:43 AM
I think the issue is more about the lack of screening in front of him - if players are breaking through the centre and out wide it makes it very difficult for centre-backs.
Post by: sid1964 on February 11, 2022, 08:49:21 AM
If we want to compete to get into the top 6 we need to improve our defence
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 11, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
I think he’s a good player - like Konsa he had a horror show the other night. But I do think in general he takes more risks, in a positive sense which help our overall game, which in turn leave him more exposed.
I think the issue is more about the lack of screening in front of him - if players are breaking through the centre and out wide it makes it very difficult for centre-backs.
Totally agree.
Post by: Mister E on February 11, 2022, 08:55:53 AM
Mings is the best we have until the summer, then I expect Gerrard will be looking for an upgrade, and Mings will leaveI don't think Mings will leave until we have a decent DMF, when a proper evaluation of our defence can take place.
If we want to compete to get into the top 6 we need to improve our defence
Post by: sid1964 on February 11, 2022, 08:56:21 AM
Hopefully he will soon have a dip in form!!
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2022, 09:01:08 AM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Applause!
Well said Amfy!
Errors do happen in isolation with Mings around though, that's the point. He could have booted that ball 50 yards down the pitch, instead he passed it out 6 foot to the nearest Leeds player. If somebody as error prone as Mings played for the likes of Leeds or Everton, would we be looking to sign him? I think not.
Post by: algy on February 11, 2022, 09:05:30 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 11, 2022, 09:08:03 AM
It didn't lead to a goal because Brentford are shit, but it there's a player in front of Mings in the England team, cost twice as much, and has had most of his career pockmarked with high profile mistakes. Citeh have spent a fortune trying to find more reliable centre halves, it's not easy because the way teams plays asks a lot more from these players than we were all bought up to expect.
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2022, 09:08:26 AM
They started singing Tyrone Mings is Fucking Shit when he passed the ball straight out for a throw when under no pressure at all. He then fucked up for the first goal. Then the second goal. Then the third goal.
No, he really didn't.
The 1st he was on his own dealing with 2 of their players. The 2nd was a sandwich that Digne inadvertently caused. Even James said the ball just landed on his head and went in. The third was a scuffed clearance under pressure. He prevented the first one going in, and just didn't get enough on it (or the different direction).
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2022, 09:09:12 AM
Post by: exigo on February 11, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
Twitter linky (https://twitter.com/TalkinTactics/status/1491873649346940929).
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 11, 2022, 09:46:55 AM
This is a good analysis of the defending on Wednesday night. In short, yes our defence were pulled all over the shop, but the problem starts in midfield.
Twitter linky (https://twitter.com/TalkinTactics/status/1491873649346940929).
Thanks...that is excellent!
Post by: Fred Crump on February 11, 2022, 09:52:33 AM
This is a good analysis of the defending on Wednesday night. In short, yes our defence were pulled all over the shop, but the problem starts in midfield.
Twitter linky (https://twitter.com/TalkinTactics/status/1491873649346940929).
Thanks...that is excellent!
Yes, really interesting. Thanks.
Post by: darren woolley on February 11, 2022, 10:07:24 AM
This is a good analysis of the defending on Wednesday night. In short, yes our defence were pulled all over the shop, but the problem starts in midfield.
Twitter linky (https://twitter.com/TalkinTactics/status/1491873649346940929).
Thanks for posting he made sense.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 11, 2022, 10:15:33 AM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Well you know what they say about statistics ;)
The stat is from whoscored.com and they quote 4 goals directly resulting from a Mings error over the past 3 seasons.
Post by: Risso on February 11, 2022, 10:17:22 AM
Post by: dicedlam on February 11, 2022, 10:17:42 AM
He should just play the way he is told to play for England and just concertrate on playing his own position and not to worry about others and then maybe he would be more focused on his own game.
Is the added burden of being club captain part of the issue?
Post by: Ian. on February 11, 2022, 05:33:39 PM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Well you know what they say about statistics ;)
The stat is from whoscored.com and they quote 4 goals directly resulting from a Mings error over the past 3 seasons.
Martinez is brilliant but I’m sure I could think of three goals he could of stopped but for brain farts. That’s in less time as well.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 11, 2022, 05:37:30 PM
Here’s a fact for you.I think that pretty much settles the argument.
Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.
No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.
Well you know what they say about statistics ;)
The stat is from whoscored.com and they quote 4 goals directly resulting from a Mings error over the past 3 seasons.
Martinez is brilliant but I’m sure I could think of three goals he could of stopped but for brain farts. That’s in less time as well.
Mings headed one off the line the other night as well but I suppose that doesn’t go into the stats.
Post by: Ian. on February 11, 2022, 05:47:13 PM
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
Post by: LeeB on February 11, 2022, 05:54:14 PM
I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
I know why, and you do too.
The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.
An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 11, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
I know why, and you do too.
The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.
An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.
Round of applause. Somebody had to say it.
Post by: brontebilly on February 11, 2022, 07:15:01 PM
I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
I know why, and you do too.
The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.
An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.
Perhaps...if it was Harry Maguire I suspect it would have been the exact same though. High profile players always get slagged off more, look at the grief Grealish gets at every away ground. Konsa was having a stinker but wasn't getting serenaded. It's far too easy to throw out the racist angle.
Mings unlike some of the others mentioned, let's things get to him during a game. It's a chink in his temperament. Bamford, Wellbeck, Zaha and Joelinton last season, he hates getting rattled physically or mentally by opposition forwards. The Leeds fans the other night definitely got to him too. After a bad mistake for the first, the smart thing is to settle things down and try sort out with Konsa how to stop the might of Dan James. Let others do the ball playing. Mings did the exact opposite.
I think what was unfortunate for Mings is the interview before the game. As sometimes happens he went out to have a stinker afterwards and the Leeds fans were obviously loving it. Good thing for him is that Saturday is a chance to put things right.
Post by: Ian. on February 11, 2022, 07:15:09 PM
I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
I know why, and you do too.
The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.
An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.
Round of applause. Somebody had to say it.
Yep. I do know why, your right. It’s such a sad world we live in.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 11, 2022, 07:46:39 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 11, 2022, 07:49:34 PM
But he's an England international centre back?so was Steven Caulker
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 11, 2022, 07:50:15 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 11, 2022, 09:03:28 PM
No idea why, but CB seems to be weirdest position to fill. Some clubs stumble across unheralded players that just seem to fit (Morgan / Jonny Evans / Matip) whilst others spend millions and never solve the problem. For example Man City have bought the following. It’s a long list to find a replacement for the largely unknown Kompany.
1. Dias £60m
2. Ake £40m
3 Laporte £58m (perfectly upgrade by the way)
4. stones £50m
5. Otamendi £40
6. Mangola £40m
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 11, 2022, 09:44:31 PM
Post by: john e on February 11, 2022, 09:58:06 PM
See England’s centre backs in the Euros playing 90 minutes every game behind two really good defensive mids
Personally I’d rather have a really good centre halves that can handle things on their own and use the extra defensive mids for good attacking players to you know push forward and score goals
Not saying we don’t need a good defensive mid but I’m not going all Alladyce/Southgate about it
Post by: purpletrousers on February 12, 2022, 12:34:23 AM
I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.
The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.
I know why, and you do too.
The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.
An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.
Perhaps...if it was Harry Maguire I suspect it would have been the exact same though. High profile players always get slagged off more, look at the grief Grealish gets at every away ground. Konsa was having a stinker but wasn't getting serenaded. It's far too easy to throw out the racist angle.
Mings unlike some of the others mentioned, let's things get to him during a game. It's a chink in his temperament. Bamford, Wellbeck, Zaha and Joelinton last season, he hates getting rattled physically or mentally by opposition forwards. The Leeds fans the other night definitely got to him too. After a bad mistake for the first, the smart thing is to settle things down and try sort out with Konsa how to stop the might of Dan James. Let others do the ball playing. Mings did the exact opposite.
I think what was unfortunate for Mings is the interview before the game. As sometimes happens he went out to have a stinker afterwards and the Leeds fans were obviously loving it. Good thing for him is that Saturday is a chance to put things right.
Come off it. It doesn’t even need saying.
Sure being high profile means you become a target, but the way he was targeted.
What was the chant “Tyrone Mings he talks shite” I think?
It stood out like a sore thumb, the very thing to have a pop at him for! If he was as consistent and smooth in his football playing as he is statesmanlike and diplomatic in a correctly challenging way in what he says, we’d be terrified of him being snapped up by a higher flying team in the next window.
I couldn’t help but think every time I heard it, that’s the last thing objectively you’d have a pop at him about (unless you haven’t quite grasped that BLM is inherently saying All LM and frankly are quite likely to be unsettled by an eloquent black man).
You’ve got to hope he can take that kind of wind up as a compliment that he’s ‘living rent free in their heads’ as I believe the modern expression goes, and perhaps to have triggered that fanbase is the top flight equivalent of a musician getting banned from apartheid South Africa, seeing it as a badge of honour.
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2022, 02:14:53 AM
Come off it. It doesn’t even need saying.
Sure being high profile means you become a target, but the way he was targeted.
What was the chant “Tyrone Mings he talks shite” I think?
It stood out like a sore thumb, the very thing to have a pop at him for! If he was as consistent and smooth in his football playing as he is statesmanlike and diplomatic in a correctly challenging way in what he says, we’d be terrified of him being snapped up by a higher flying team in the next window.
I couldn’t help but think every time I heard it, that’s the last thing objectively you’d have a pop at him about (unless you haven’t quite grasped that BLM is inherently saying All LM and frankly are quite likely to be unsettled by an eloquent black man).
You’ve got to hope he can take that kind of wind up as a compliment that he’s ‘living rent free in their heads’ as I believe the modern expression goes, and perhaps to have triggered that fanbase is the top flight equivalent of a musician getting banned from apartheid South Africa, seeing it as a badge of honour.
At the risk of being accused of bringing it up again, it was "is fucking shite" not "he talks shite."
Post by: purpletrousers on February 12, 2022, 03:21:01 AM
Post by: john e on February 12, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
Ha! Well then ignore my post entirely 😅
Ignore what mate
Post by: purpletrousers on February 12, 2022, 02:04:05 PM
Ha! Well then ignore my post entirely 😅
Ignore what mate
Always interesting what we hear/when we mishear things, I was sure I was hearing “talks shite” which caught my ear as I thought he was being targeted for his views. “Is” rather than talks is at least occasionally accurate.
I have a lot of love for TM as a man, for his openness about mental health challenges and efforts, his principles making kids football a fun thing, on BLM etc exemplified by his tweeted response to Priti Patel’s hypocrisy.
He’s the sort of man who could be, perhaps is an icon/role model.
If he made less clangers to go with the on pitch successes legend status is there for him.
Wherever it goes from here an essential part of our rise.
Post by: Simon Page on February 12, 2022, 02:14:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2022, 02:19:49 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2022, 03:11:09 PM
Both aren't world class and have seen both Maguire and Stones repeatedly make basic and poor football errors including being sent off for poor defending and positional play as well as missing kicks and back passes.
All 3 are as good and as bad as each other.
Eric Dier no different.
Maguire goal scoring threat and Stones , even Dier is greater than Mings but as for football ability he's on par and the England Squad and Gareth Southagte has shown that. So he's the same as them prem league player but without Champs league experience just that he was released as a young player and hasn't had it as straight forward as them.
Probably why he hasn't been able to develop his goal scoring side.
So we can't really name any better England centre half than Mings can we and we have him!
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2022, 03:33:32 PM
I agree Simon. Today we watch football and everything I suppose in the minutest of detail. We have numerous angles and replays of every event, scrutinized on social media and places like here. But even the greats made mistakes. We just don’t always remember them or a way of easily recalling them. Mings isn’t one of the greats but he’s certainly a very good CB at PL level who makes the odd error in amongst some excellent commanding play. He needs better protection as much he needs to improve aspects of his game. A proper DM will help a lot in my opinion and improving his relationship with Digne on that side.
His errors didn't need over-analysing on Wenesday against Leeds, his poor play directly contributed to the three goals we conceded, none of which were as a result of anything especially good by the opposition. He's been doing it all season, even Smith got pissed off and dropped him, which is quite a rare thing to do to your captain.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
Post by: usav on February 12, 2022, 04:32:42 PM
We concede too many goals, and lapses of concentration from Mings are a big part of them. He'll either cut them out or he'll get replaced.
I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2022, 04:42:44 PM
I think Mings deserves the opportunity to play behind a stronger midfield before he’s completely written off.Sorry but what's that got to do with stupid school boy errors when at times not under pressure?
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 12, 2022, 06:05:59 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2022, 07:45:24 PM
I think Mings deserves the opportunity to play behind a stronger midfield before he’s completely written off.Sorry but what's that got to do with stupid school boy errors when at times not under pressure?
Because in most part he’s been an excellent player for us and we are a better team with him until we have someone as commanding as him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2022, 07:48:45 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 12, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
When we go marching up the leauge in the coming season's he is a player that will end up being upgraded for better.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 13, 2022, 10:13:35 AM
Post by: john e on February 13, 2022, 10:31:15 AM
I think we just need to buy a top level centre back to go with our new top level DCM. If Tyrone plays well enough to keep his place good for him, if he doesn’t he sits on the bench. So far in 2 and a half seasons we haven’t spent much time in the top half, I assume all Villa fans want us to do so and the only way is to continually improve the squad. Making the assumption that Gilbert won’t be back and Young may well be off at the end of the season based on his age, we could keep everyone else including Targett and still have room for a new player. Chambers would be predominantly right back competition.
agree with buying a top level centre back
But who, there’s not many/any out there
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 13, 2022, 11:20:16 AM
I like that Koulibali that plays for Napoli but can’t see us pulling that one off. I also like Phillips for DCM but can’t see that either.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 04:14:30 PM
That’s what we pay the scouts / recruitment team to do :-)I like that Tuanzebe who's also at Napoli!
I like that Koulibali that plays for Napoli but can’t see us pulling that one off. I also like Phillips for DCM but can’t see that either.
Axel brother and agent said
"However, following the arrival of Steven Gerrard at Villa Park, it felt as if the rivalry between Man United and Liverpool came to life.
For the avoidance of doubts, Axel was very open to staying at Villa, he loves the fans, being in Birmingham.But he also has a career that he can only build and reach his full potential in an environment where opportunities to play are fair."
So the move by SG to oust him makes little sense professionally as Axel understands the club and Chambers is not so much an upgrade outside of being more experienced so its disappointing and rather petty the character of SG in doing this. This is an example of how novice and inexperienced managers go about things and that's the difficulty we have under his tenure that he has aspects of a player or captain mindset.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 15, 2022, 04:33:22 PM
That’s what we pay the scouts / recruitment team to do :-)I like that Tuanzebe who's also at Napoli!
I like that Koulibali that plays for Napoli but can’t see us pulling that one off. I also like Phillips for DCM but can’t see that either.
Axel brother and agent said
"However, following the arrival of Steven Gerrard at Villa Park, it felt as if the rivalry between Man United and Liverpool came to life.
For the avoidance of doubts, Axel was very open to staying at Villa, he loves the fans, being in Birmingham.But he also has a career that he can only build and reach his full potential in an environment where opportunities to play are fair."
So the move by SG to oust him makes little sense professionally as Axel understands the club and Chambers is not so much an upgrade outside of being more experienced so its disappointing and rather petty the character of SG in doing this. This is an example of how novice and inexperienced managers go about things and that's the difficulty we have under his tenure that he has aspects of a player or captain mindset.
It's to your detriment that you've taken that bollocks as fact.
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 04:57:30 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2022, 05:05:03 PM
Post by: brackley on February 15, 2022, 05:11:31 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 15, 2022, 05:21:50 PM
The Leeds United fans chant was in direct response to Mings having a spoilt hissy fit after booting the ball out for a needless throw-in. Captain and leader? He’s constantly reduced to frantic gum chewing, pointing (itself a sly insinuation that other defenders are out of position) and endless hoofs up the pitch to lose possession. All of which would be forgivable, even a bit endearing if not for the fact that he’s taken it upon himself to present his views to the media as some sort of Next Level Warrior. You could almost hear Dean Smith take a deep gulp before belatedly dropping him. He’s a footballer, that’s all he is, with opinions that are no more valid than the average bloke in the street. As for playing for England, he’s only selected against inferior opposition where he safely does as he’s told and passes the ball sideways for the duration. No wonder Southgate loves him. In my opinion, Mings is pulling a fast one on all of us, it’s just a shame that many of you are so easily fooled.
Sorry, have a missed something; what have his personal opinions got to do with his on-field performances for Villa?
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2022, 05:27:10 PM
The Leeds United fans chant was in direct response to Mings having a spoilt hissy fit after booting the ball out for a needless throw-in. Captain and leader? He’s constantly reduced to frantic gum chewing, pointing (itself a sly insinuation that other defenders are out of position) and endless hoofs up the pitch to lose possession. All of which would be forgivable, even a bit endearing if not for the fact that he’s taken it upon himself to present his views to the media as some sort of Next Level Warrior. You could almost hear Dean Smith take a deep gulp before belatedly dropping him. He’s a footballer, that’s all he is, with opinions that are no more valid than the average bloke in the street. As for playing for England, he’s only selected against inferior opposition where he safely does as he’s told and passes the ball sideways for the duration. No wonder Southgate loves him. In my opinion, Mings is pulling a fast one on all of us, it’s just a shame that many of you are so easily fooled.
Mings isn't trying to fool anyone, and you're fooling nobody.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 15, 2022, 05:34:11 PM
don't care what Leeds support think of Mings and wouldn't be surprised if most other fans from other football clubs think the sameThe Leeds United fans chant was in direct response to Mings having a spoilt hissy fit after booting the ball out for a needless throw-in. Captain and leader? He’s constantly reduced to frantic gum chewing, pointing (itself a sly insinuation that other defenders are out of position) and endless hoofs up the pitch to lose possession. All of which would be forgivable, even a bit endearing if not for the fact that he’s taken it upon himself to present his views to the media as some sort of Next Level Warrior. You could almost hear Dean Smith take a deep gulp before belatedly dropping him. He’s a footballer, that’s all he is, with opinions that are no more valid than the average bloke in the street. As for playing for England, he’s only selected against inferior opposition where he safely does as he’s told and passes the ball sideways for the duration. No wonder Southgate loves him. In my opinion, Mings is pulling a fast one on all of us, it’s just a shame that many of you are so easily fooled.
Mings isn't trying to fool anyone, and you're fooling nobody.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 15, 2022, 06:43:58 PM
Tuanzebe was shite.
Indeed.
Also, even though our Ty has been a bit frustrating at times on the pitch this season the evaluation further up this page is pretty OTT to say the least. He needs some better competition but that’s about it really.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 15, 2022, 08:55:10 PM
The Leeds United fans chant was in direct response to Mings having a spoilt hissy fit after booting the ball out for a needless throw-in. Captain and leader? He’s constantly reduced to frantic gum chewing, pointing (itself a sly insinuation that other defenders are out of position) and endless hoofs up the pitch to lose possession. All of which would be forgivable, even a bit endearing if not for the fact that he’s taken it upon himself to present his views to the media as some sort of Next Level Warrior. You could almost hear Dean Smith take a deep gulp before belatedly dropping him. He’s a footballer, that’s all he is, with opinions that are no more valid than the average bloke in the street. As for playing for England, he’s only selected against inferior opposition where he safely does as he’s told and passes the ball sideways for the duration. No wonder Southgate loves him. In my opinion, Mings is pulling a fast one on all of us, it’s just a shame that many of you are so easily fooled.
Oh dear, chewing gummist and ‘next level warrior’?? Why because he dares to talk about issues of race, when interviewed as a high profile sportsperson.
If you want to talk about him making mistakes on the pitch, having a mare, having a great game or both, fair enough. But whats him chewing gum or having ‘opinions’ got to do with any of that.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 15, 2022, 09:00:09 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 15, 2022, 09:06:35 PM
He’s mostly been brilliant on our rise up from great levels of awful and along the way shown very good leadership qualities on and off the field. He’s late to the game and playing at a very high level now, that’s some achievement if you ask me. He makes the odd error, however the good out ways the bad for me. Other players who get far less criticism make more mistakes in a game than Mings.
At the moment most of our players are good enough for the level we are at, a mid table team, if we are to progress I’m sure Mings as well as many others will be replaced over time.
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 15, 2022, 09:32:17 PM
That’s some real detest coming out there for our captain.I don't care who it is, if your crap on the day your crap,mcginn, Luzi, Watkins fall into that category for Sunday
He’s mostly been brilliant on our rise up for great levels of awful and along the way shown very good leadership qualities on and off the field. He’s late to the game and playing at a very high level now, that’s some achievement if you ask me. He makes the odd error, however the good out ways the bad for me. Other players who get far less criticism make more mistakes in a game than Mings.
At the moment most of our players are good enough for the level we are at, a mid table team, if we are to progress I’m sure Mings as well as many others will be replaced over time.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 15, 2022, 10:07:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 11:08:53 PM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 11:07:44 AM
FWIW, I thought that Mings was just about the one Villa player who came out of the Newcastle game having given anything like a decent performance.
Yep same here. When he's not making mistakes his all round play is usually pretty good. He's got all the attributes needed to be a great, it's just that his concentration and mistakes let him down.
Post by: Rigadon on February 16, 2022, 11:26:06 AM
FWIW, I thought that Mings was just about the one Villa player who came out of the Newcastle game having given anything like a decent performance.
Yep same here. When he's not making mistakes his all round play is usually pretty good. He's got all the attributes needed to be a great, it's just that his concentration and mistakes let him down.
Totally agree. He's one of a few players that have been with us for a few years and still justify a starting place, but have elements of their game that make them less of a target for clubs already in the European Cup. Mings, McGinn and possibly, though he's in very average run of form, Luiz fit that mold. If their top form was consistent they'd probably be at other clubs (see Jack Grealish).
I like Mings and remain hopeful he will sort the consistency issues out. Same with McGinn.
Post by: darren woolley on February 16, 2022, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 16, 2022, 12:17:44 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2022, 01:23:29 PM
FWIW, I thought that Mings was just about the one Villa player who came out of the Newcastle game having given anything like a decent performance.
Yep same here. When he's not making mistakes his all round play is usually pretty good. He's got all the attributes needed to be a great, it's just that his concentration and mistakes let him down.
Was very much safety first from him though. Against a very average team he booted away a lot of possession under little pressure. Not all his fault obviously with our midfield hiding and the ball bouncing off Watkins every time he went direct.
Mings is a mid table standard CB playing in a mid table team for me. I think this is his level to be honest. Which is a decent achievement from a guy who was a backup CB at Bournemouth not too long ago.
Post by: paul_e on February 16, 2022, 01:27:53 PM
FWIW, I thought that Mings was just about the one Villa player who came out of the Newcastle game having given anything like a decent performance.
Yep same here. When he's not making mistakes his all round play is usually pretty good. He's got all the attributes needed to be a great, it's just that his concentration and mistakes let him down.
Was very much safety first from him though. Against a very average team he booted away a lot of possession under little pressure. Not all his fault obviously with our midfield hiding and the ball bouncing off Watkins every time he went direct.
Mings is a mid table standard CB playing in a mid table team for me. I think this is his level to be honest. Which is a decent achievement from a guy who was a backupCBLeftback at Bournemouth not too long ago.
Fixed that, I think too many people forget that he was considered a left back who could cover CB until he came to us on loan.
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2022, 01:44:03 PM
He costs us a lot of goals with his errors. Concentration is a big issue I think, but it often takes serious cock up for him to revert to basics.
He was abysmal against Leeds, but solid against Newcastle making an excellent tackle on Saint-Maximin.
Targett is a case in point. He was excellent at times last year, but he has a ceiling. We have too many players who aren't top quality or if they are, not consistently enough. Mings is in that bracket.
Post by: fredm on February 16, 2022, 02:29:44 PM
Post by: algy on February 16, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
I think the problem both Mings and Konsa have is that whereas under Smith both full backs played well inside the middle of the pitch alongside the centre backs whereas nowadays the full backs are half way or more down the pitch, leaving a large gap behind them. Neither seem exactly sure whether they should now cover across to mark that area when the ball is there or if they should wait to see if a midfielder will drop in there. This seems to me to be a cause of uncertainty between them and needs to be worked on so they each know what areas are covered and by whom.Yeah, I agree. If you take last season - particularly the first half of it - then you'd be hard pressed to find a more solid defensive unit than Martinez-Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett.
The big difference this season - under both Smith & Gerrard - has been that we've been playing Cash & Targett/Digne as wingbacks. Konsa & Mings are doing far more work than they were doing, and consequently mistakes have started to creep in. In early-Gerrard era, we had Marv who did a fine job of covering the extra work.
I'm convinced either reverting to something more like a flat back 4, or getting a Marv-or-better level defensive midfielder would sort the problem out pretty quickly.
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 16, 2022, 03:33:07 PM
He's not good enough to be a top 8 centre half. He lacks consistency, often over 90 minutes, never mind week to week.
He costs us a lot of goals with his errors. Concentration is a big issue I think, but it often takes serious cock up for him to revert to basics.
He was abysmal against Leeds, but solid against Newcastle making an excellent tackle on Saint-Maximin.
Targett is a case in point. He was excellent at times last year, but he has a ceiling. We have too many players who aren't top quality or if they are, not consistently enough. Mings is in that bracket.
If he's not good enough as a top 8 CB I raise you John Stones....
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2022, 04:15:55 PM
He's not good enough to be a top 8 centre half. He lacks consistency, often over 90 minutes, never mind week to week.
He costs us a lot of goals with his errors. Concentration is a big issue I think, but it often takes serious cock up for him to revert to basics.
He was abysmal against Leeds, but solid against Newcastle making an excellent tackle on Saint-Maximin.
Targett is a case in point. He was excellent at times last year, but he has a ceiling. We have too many players who aren't top quality or if they are, not consistently enough. Mings is in that bracket.
If he's not good enough as a top 8 CB I raise you John Stones....
Harry McGuire, your honour
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 16, 2022, 04:38:29 PM
If he's not good enough as a top 8 CB I raise you John Stones....
Harry McGuire, your honour
West spam's cat kicking Zouma (awful vs Kiddy Harriers).
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 16, 2022, 05:37:54 PM
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 16, 2022, 05:42:04 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2022, 05:42:57 PM
This is beginning to sound like a Man Utd forum
Why’s that? I wouldn’t know.
Post by: john e on February 16, 2022, 06:01:53 PM
It does appear that Mings is considered a figure of derision by other fans. Some randomer in the pub on Sunday asked me who my favourite Villa player was (he must have mistook me for a nine year old). I struggled for an answer but he said "definitely not Mings though" with a grin. I replied that I think he's great and that ended that exchange pretty promptly. It seemed he was wanting me to join in the slagging off, which was a bit weird but Brackley would have been all over it I'm sure.
i've noticed the same, he seems to have become the modern day Titus Bramble to all opposing fans, but who cares as long as he is doing the job well for us (therein lies the problem)
like ads says he's not a traditional top 6 class centre half, but then there's not a lot who are and he's as good as most other CB in the prem when he's on his game
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 16, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2022, 07:50:55 PM
He's not good enough to be a top 8 centre half. He lacks consistency, often over 90 minutes, never mind week to week.
He costs us a lot of goals with his errors. Concentration is a big issue I think, but it often takes serious cock up for him to revert to basics.
He was abysmal against Leeds, but solid against Newcastle making an excellent tackle on Saint-Maximin.
Targett is a case in point. He was excellent at times last year, but he has a ceiling. We have too many players who aren't top quality or if they are, not consistently enough. Mings is in that bracket.
If he's not good enough as a top 8 CB I raise you John Stones....
Stones has a rick in him for sure....but on the ball is as good as most midfielders. Quick too. Man City don't have to defend too often in truth .
Maguire...ok if two stoppers are playing in front of him but exposed to ridicule this season without it. He's done.
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 09:50:37 AM
Every centre back makes mistakes, even Van Dijk, who is probably the best out there. Mings makes them, we don't have many people mopping up, which is something he does a lot of to cover for everyone else too.
His vocal side is proper leadership, on and off the pitch.
Post by: Bad English on February 17, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 12:50:40 PM
There just aren't many centre backs who are better. The way the game is these days, the centre back has a really tough job, the way Gerrard plays puts even more pressure on.
Every centre back makes mistakes, even Van Dijk, who is probably the best out there. Mings makes them, we don't have many people mopping up, which is something he does a lot of to cover for everyone else too.
His vocal side is proper leadership, on and off the pitch.
Most of his mistakes just tend to be from brain farts rather being under intense pressure. Just being too casual or switching off. And yes all defenders make mistakes, Mings just seems to make more than almost anybody else.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 26, 2022, 06:34:37 PM
Having sometimes this pass mings makes be our most effective form of chance created in games before happy for him and Watkins who finished with aplomb
Post by: Risso on February 26, 2022, 06:41:43 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 27, 2022, 09:17:01 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on March 11, 2022, 12:38:25 AM
Post by: Rory on March 11, 2022, 02:41:17 AM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1502055609306435587
Who's the twat he's responding to?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 11, 2022, 06:40:24 AM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1502055609306435587
Who's the twat he's responding to?
Just a twat. Full stop
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 11, 2022, 07:02:38 AM
After last night's result and performance it's clearly obvious who is "f-cking sh-t".
BTW a great lay off for the Chambers goal.
Post by: mrfuse on March 11, 2022, 09:50:20 AM
For some reason Mings in a comical way throws himself fully into the pantomime villain by taking longer and longer to clear the ball as if to say "your not rattling me".
Still he must have taken an age to get changed after the game as 30,000 Leeds fans fell out of his pocket.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on March 11, 2022, 09:55:13 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 11, 2022, 09:55:39 AM
I'm not really sure what this strange obsession Leeds fans have with Tyrone Mings.
It's because he's an outspoken supporter of Black civil rights, and they're racist arseholes. Nothing more complicated than that.
Post by: caster troy on March 11, 2022, 10:01:21 AM
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2022, 10:06:43 AM
Post by: avfc456 on March 11, 2022, 10:07:35 AM
Post by: dave shelley on March 11, 2022, 10:36:29 AM
Post by: JD on March 12, 2022, 04:41:33 AM
https://twitter.com/FlyTheWhiteRose/status/1502070299088543744?s=20&t=hNnAmHwhE_YTkHGa6QNv3g (https://twitter.com/FlyTheWhiteRose/status/1502070299088543744?s=20&t=hNnAmHwhE_YTkHGa6QNv3g)
That's real class from big Ty.
Post by: purpletrousers on March 12, 2022, 11:28:22 AM
Slightly less classy that he’s now hooked up with under armour (at least for me and some on here I remember) re: big game/hunting https://www.change.org/p/boycott-under-armour-for-promoting-trophy-hunting
Have replied re: this on social media, will be interesting to see if he responds.
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
Good to see he’s not neither by the abuse and can probably take it as a compliment.
Slightly less classy that he’s now hooked up with under armour (at least for me and some on here I remember) re: big game/hunting https://www.change.org/p/boycott-under-armour-for-promoting-trophy-hunting
Have replied re: this on social media, will be interesting to see if he responds.
Well said. All my UA stuff went in to the recycling.
Post by: Villa Lew on March 12, 2022, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: Bad English on March 12, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/16r2c4H/Screenshot-20220312-141613-com-google-android-youtube-edit-262901406928112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ry3H8JL)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
I'm not really sure what this strange obsession Leeds fans have with Tyrone Mings.
It's because he's an outspoken supporter of Black civil rights, and they're racist arseholes. Nothing more complicated than that.
Correct.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2022, 07:23:46 PM
Mings applauding the divs who think a clean sheet away is being 'fucking shit'.
That's from the Leeds (away) Fan Cam footage. The Villa fans were in great voice and some good back and forth between the fans. Seen a few Leeds fans comment that we were the best away following at Elland Road this season (followed by Newcastle).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2022, 01:11:05 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on May 10, 2022, 10:02:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2022, 10:03:24 PM
Top bloke, but just a mistake waiting to happen, how many times do we have to see it?
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 10, 2022, 10:07:58 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2022, 10:19:46 PM
He slipped over, it happens. He hasn't made that many mistakes this season, Konsa will have made more. I am sure he will be disappointed.
They both are not good enough.
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2022, 10:40:49 PM
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Post by: Ian. on May 10, 2022, 11:18:25 PM
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2022, 11:18:38 PM
He slipped over, it happens. He hasn't made that many mistakes this season, Konsa will have made more. I am sure he will be disappointed.I am not his biggest fan but agree with you. It happens and a couple of minutes earlier the world renowned Liverpool defenders were making a mess of things as Luiz scored.
Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2022, 11:50:39 PM
He’s been excellent for a while, facing Mane, Jota and Diaz isn’t the easiest of games and they cause all sorts of problems. He’s better than Konsa though this season so I’m not sure what’s going to happen as we progress. Which one gets replaced first or is Konsa going to improve?
Konsa has a lot more ability and potential. He has demonstrated this in a Villa shirt to a level Mings will never reach. But Konsa is in a very poor run of form currently. He was rubbish v Burnley and very poor again tonight. The ball was his enemy tonight, you could just see he didn't want it at all. Pleading for frees constantly too.
Mings has had a solid season in fairness. But, one bad mistake can rattle him. So it was tonight. At fault for the first goal, beaten in the air by Mane to a header a few minutes later. A series of errors from both of them throughout including for their winner.
Post by: sid1964 on May 11, 2022, 06:35:54 AM
Post by: Mister E on May 11, 2022, 09:00:49 AM
Konsa has a lot more ability and potential. He has demonstrated this in a Villa shirt to a level Mings will never reach. But Konsa is in a very poor run of form currently. He was rubbish v Burnley and very poor again tonight. The ball was his enemy tonight, you could just see he didn't want it at all.I think Konsa's confidence is shot through. Whether it's the arrival of Chambers or the inconsistency of those around him, or some other factor (or set of factors), he just seems to be flaky on the ball and hi decision-making has deteriorated.
I don't think he was rubbish against Burnley (yes, he made a couple of very avoidable errors) and he did okay vs L'pool (aside from a couple of silly free kicks). We should certainly keep him and work with him to get him to his next level.
With Mings, you get what you see: enthusiasm, commitment, defensive bravery and the long lump up the left wing!!
I'd like to see both with a proper DMF before making any decisions about their role in Villa's progress.
Post by: AV82EC on May 11, 2022, 09:23:25 AM
Konsa has a lot more ability and potential. He has demonstrated this in a Villa shirt to a level Mings will never reach. But Konsa is in a very poor run of form currently. He was rubbish v Burnley and very poor again tonight. The ball was his enemy tonight, you could just see he didn't want it at all.I think Konsa's confidence is shot through. Whether it's the arrival of Chambers or the inconsistency of those around him, or some other factor (or set of factors), he just seems to be flaky on the ball and hi decision-making has deteriorated.
I don't think he was rubbish against Burnley (yes, he made a couple of very avoidable errors) and he did okay vs L'pool (aside from a couple of silly free kicks). We should certainly keep him and work with him to get him to his next level.
With Mings, you get what you see: enthusiasm, commitment, defensive bravery and the long lump up the left wing!!
I'd like to see both with a proper DMF before making any decisions about their role in Villa's progress.
Is the correct answer. I’m less positive on Konsa even when he was playing well I still don’t see him being able to develop the distribution side to his game. But let’s see.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 11, 2022, 12:37:47 PM
Mings is better than Konsa, no question in my mind. Not only does Konsa not want the ball (even when in better form than now) he rarely covers for his CB partner - something that Mings does well.
Clearly some fans have made their minds up about both and that tends to inform their assessment of performances, i.e. either "not good enough" or "in a run of poor form but bags of potential". UTV
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 11, 2022, 12:51:10 PM
Half the team seemed to be playing in slippers last night or the kitman forgot the studs for their boots.
Mings is better than Konsa, no question in my mind. Not only does Konsa not want the ball (even when in better form than now) he rarely covers for his CB partner - something that Mings does well.
Clearly some fans have made their minds up about both and that tends to inform their assessment of performances, i.e. either "not good enough" or "in a run of poor form but bags of potential". UTV
This is driving me to despair. It has to be the footwear/boots or whatever they have on their feet these days but all of them are slipping over at some point. And what's all this excessive watering of the pitch at half time, it clearly doesn't help matters?
Post by: brontebilly on May 11, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
Konsa has a lot more ability and potential. He has demonstrated this in a Villa shirt to a level Mings will never reach. But Konsa is in a very poor run of form currently. He was rubbish v Burnley and very poor again tonight. The ball was his enemy tonight, you could just see he didn't want it at all.I think Konsa's confidence is shot through. Whether it's the arrival of Chambers or the inconsistency of those around him, or some other factor (or set of factors), he just seems to be flaky on the ball and hi decision-making has deteriorated.
I don't think he was rubbish against Burnley (yes, he made a couple of very avoidable errors) and he did okay vs L'pool (aside from a couple of silly free kicks). We should certainly keep him and work with him to get him to his next level.
With Mings, you get what you see: enthusiasm, commitment, defensive bravery and the long lump up the left wing!!
I'd like to see both with a proper DMF before making any decisions about their role in Villa's progress.
Is the correct answer. I’m less positive on Konsa even when he was playing well I still don’t see him being able to develop the distribution side to his game. But let’s see.
Some Twitter bot was throwing out stats recently that Konsa at Brentford was one of the most progressive passers of the ball in the championship. I think to be fair to both Konsa and Mings, a player at 6 comfortable taking the ball on the half turn off them would make their jobs easier. When that player is Nakamba or Chambers the last day, you can see why they would go long more often. But if Konsa is to progress, he needs to become a lot more assured stepping into midfield with the ball like both Liverpool CBs last night.
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2022, 08:02:51 PM
When I got back last night - Dion Dublin on SKY said that we need an upgrade on our centre halvesI'd say so. There's no room for sentiment when it comes to progressing. The defence is an issue. We seem to have full back sussed. It's that central triangle in front of Emi that needs addressing. That might be a top player to partner one of Mings/Konsa and potentially improve them. I think what we need is an organiser. Neither does that really. We need the next JT. I've always thought Mings would benefit from someone keeping his mind on it at all times.
One thing I'd like to see from Konsa is working on his temperament too. He gets frustrated and gives away silly fouls. We've seen him get sent off too. Mings to be honest has that reactive streak in him. You need some bite in your defenders, but they both need better discipline and composure.
Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 10:29:06 PM
Not gay or 'owt but...phwoar. Maybe a big manly hug would be enough.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 19, 2022, 10:27:22 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 10:30:26 PM
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
He makes mistakes - but so do so many centre halfs
I think they have suffered from our midfield issues
Post by: Villan For Life on May 19, 2022, 10:35:15 PM
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Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2022, 08:06:07 PM
Very solid. That was a filthy elbow on him early on but he didn't let it rattle him. Saving the certain goal at the end.
I was very impressed he didn't feel the need to leave one on Barnes later on, even a year ago I think he'd have got himself in trouble going for a bit of vengence.
Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2022, 09:49:02 PM
Very solid. That was a filthy elbow on him early on but he didn't let it rattle him. Saving the certain goal at the end.
I was very impressed he didn't feel the need to leave one on Barnes later on, even a year ago I think he'd have got himself in trouble going for a bit of vengence.
Yep he let his defending do the talking so thug donkey Barnes eventually got the hook. He just needs a better centre half than Konsa alongside him.
Post by: nigel on May 22, 2022, 10:17:11 AM
Very solid. That was a filthy elbow on him early on but he didn't let it rattle him. Saving the certain goal at the end.
I was very impressed he didn't feel the need to leave one on Barnes later on, even a year ago I think he'd have got himself in trouble going for a bit of vengence.
Yep he let his defending do the talking so thug donkey Barnes eventually got the hook. He just needs a better centre half than Konsa alongside him.
No, he needs a quality DM in front of him
Post by: AV82EC on May 22, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
Very solid. That was a filthy elbow on him early on but he didn't let it rattle him. Saving the certain goal at the end.
I was very impressed he didn't feel the need to leave one on Barnes later on, even a year ago I think he'd have got himself in trouble going for a bit of vengence.
Yep he let his defending do the talking so thug donkey Barnes eventually got the hook. He just needs a better centre half than Konsa alongside him.
No, he needs a quality DM in front of him
That as well.
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2022, 11:02:59 AM
Very solid. That was a filthy elbow on him early on but he didn't let it rattle him. Saving the certain goal at the end.Yes but that block was more James Collins less Paul McGrath. The idea to to defend in a way that last ditch stuff is not required.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:35:52 PM
Defensive wise to be solid. Just worry about possession.
But also his long outballs may be something to look out for when he feeds Watkins.
Post by: Border villan on May 22, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Can anyone put the link up?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 22, 2022, 05:01:01 PM
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 05:30:47 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 22, 2022, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 06:29:26 PM
If Leeds survive by a single point today, do you think next season their fans won't sing "Tyrone Mings is fucking shit" at length when we play them?our own fans will probably start that song...
Post by: mr-villa on May 24, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2022, 02:13:13 PM
Post by: KRS on May 24, 2022, 02:17:51 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2022, 02:18:17 PM
Whereas Grealish keeps his place. Those ten minutes he played for Man City must have made all the difference.
HARRY BLOODY MAGUIRE???
Post by: Villa Lew on May 24, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Dropped from Southgate's England squad today.Not a surprise, nor is Ollie's omission, but Maguire should not be in the squad.
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2022, 02:21:38 PM
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2022, 02:35:33 PM
Whether any of Coady, Stones or Maguire deserve to be there ahead of him on current form is debatable. But it's never been a case of just selecting the 23 people who played best in the round of games just gone, there needs to be a balance between form and experience, both internationally and at club level.
It's not as if his Villa form has made him undroppable.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2022, 02:46:07 PM
Post by: Gareth on May 24, 2022, 02:48:15 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 24, 2022, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2022, 02:56:29 PM
Reflects more that England do not have one quality centre half so Southgate is just chucking darts at the board hoping a couple stick. Maguire should have been nowhere near any squad this season.
He was one of England's best players as they reached the final of an international competition ten months ago. Why would Southgate drop him?
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Similar with that Man City player.
Post by: andyh on May 24, 2022, 03:07:56 PM
Post by: Gareth on May 24, 2022, 03:12:49 PM
Maguire? He has been awful for his club all season so he is picked on history not form which is Southgates way - arguably the best English centre back this season has been Dier. Guehi & Tomori are next cabs off the rank so hope he gives them a goReflects more that England do not have one quality centre half so Southgate is just chucking darts at the board hoping a couple stick. Maguire should have been nowhere near any squad this season.
He was one of England's best players as they reached the final of an international competition ten months ago. Why would Southgate drop him?
Post by: Nev on May 24, 2022, 03:20:48 PM
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2022, 03:36:17 PM
Maguire? He has been awful for his club all season so he is picked on history not form which is Southgates wayReflects more that England do not have one quality centre half so Southgate is just chucking darts at the board hoping a couple stick. Maguire should have been nowhere near any squad this season.
He was one of England's best players as they reached the final of an international competition ten months ago. Why would Southgate drop him?
It's also the way of every single international manager in history.
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 24, 2022, 05:35:54 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2022, 06:27:53 PM
Post by: Border villan on May 24, 2022, 06:28:49 PM
Post by: Paul.S on May 24, 2022, 06:57:35 PM
Unless he’s been left out so others can be looked at I’d say Southgate’s moving the goalposts here.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 07:06:22 PM
The issue is that he has done quite well in the last couple of tournaments, he'll argue his methods work.
Mings gets knocked for his mistakes on here, and by everyone else, so I'm not surprised.
Post by: dave shelley on May 24, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Post by: Border villan on May 24, 2022, 07:36:17 PM
Southgate is duplicitous.Ideal leadership quality according to Johnson.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2022, 07:38:08 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2022, 08:28:53 PM
I don’t really care too much about our players not getting picked but picking Maguire is risible.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2022, 08:59:05 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 24, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
Seems the general anti Mings narrative has got the result it wants.yep fed up hearing about it
Post by: danno on May 24, 2022, 09:06:25 PM
Him Pickford and Kane are the undroppables, probably Rice now too.
Post by: Gareth on May 24, 2022, 09:08:20 PM
Southgate is a prick. Talks about picking players on form - then picks Maguire. Fuck off Gareth.Ok!
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2022, 09:11:35 PM
Post by: john e on May 24, 2022, 09:49:09 PM
But I am bothered enough to write I’m not bothered on this thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2022, 10:29:21 PM
Post by: wince on May 24, 2022, 11:22:39 PM
Post by: KRS on May 25, 2022, 01:13:42 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 25, 2022, 06:45:27 AM
Tyrone gets the break he deserves and time to prepare for a big season ahead with a new centre back partner on the way.
I can't wait for the new season already.
Post by: Hillbilly on May 25, 2022, 07:29:20 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 25, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
Post by: Gareth on May 25, 2022, 08:40:26 AM
I don’t think I’m the only one who is concerned that all the anti Mings feeling from some Villa fans may not always be based on his football ability.100%, not here but certainly on Twitter / Facebook etc a lot of the anti-Mings stuff is racially motivated, as we were the first game after lockdown he did appear to become a poster boy for taking the knee which bizarrely offended a lot it seemed. Can’t help but think if there was a white player who came from working a normal job whilst playing non league, through to Premier League and playing for England the narrative would be one of an inspiration for all.
We know he makes mistakes (like pretty much every centre half - McGrath, Laursen included) and the the way he plays in attacking everything that will happen. If there’s an upgrade available would I take it? Absolutely….do I think he is our weakest centre back….nope!
He is one of a pot of very average English centre backs, no better or no worse than Maguire, Coady, White etc but he certainly is no calamity that needs to be grouped with like of Zat or Titus Bramble back in the day
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
I agree a lot of it - certainly from other fans - is because he is outspoken on political issues.I don’t think I’m the only one who is concerned that all the anti Mings feeling from some Villa fans may not always be based on his football ability.100%, not here but certainly on Twitter / Facebook etc a lot of the anti-Mings stuff is racially motivated, as we were the first game after lockdown he did appear to become a poster boy for taking the knee which bizarrely offended a lot it seemed. Can’t help but think if there was a white player who came from working a normal job whilst playing non league, through to Premier League and playing for England the narrative would be one of an inspiration for all.
We know he makes mistakes (like pretty much every centre half - McGrath, Laursen included) and the the way he plays in attacking everything that will happen. If there’s an upgrade available would I take it? Absolutely….do I think he is our weakest centre back….nope!
He is one of a pot of very average English centre backs, no better or no worse than Maguire, Coady, White etc but he certainly is no Captain that needs to be grouped with like of Zat or Titus Bramble back in the day
Personally I think that is a good thing - particularly enjoyed his take down of Patel. And it makes me very proud to have him as our captain.
Post by: darren woolley on May 25, 2022, 09:00:33 AM
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2022, 09:07:34 AM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 25, 2022, 09:11:24 AM
Tyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
Perfectly expressed Dave!
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2022, 09:17:07 AM
Tyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
you missed out - Horse
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2022, 09:25:57 AM
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2022, 09:35:33 AM
He was also called out on MOTD by the pundit police for his touch leading to Citeh's 3rd goal, they all really highlighted it really giving him stick, you wonder if St. Gareth gets influenced by such things.
Luiz bottled dealing with it, very much more at fault there rather than Mings I thought.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 25, 2022, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2022, 10:29:44 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2022, 12:23:01 PM
Mings will be stronger with a midfield that provides some protection. He’d also benefit from playing alongside a ball playing centre back.so would Chambers or Konsa
Post by: Ian. on May 27, 2022, 05:55:34 PM
Mings will be stronger with a midfield that provides some protection. He’d also benefit from playing alongside a ball playing centre back.so would Chambers or Konsa
Villa have also faired much better with Mings than without him since he’s been here, I can’t say the same about any other of our centre halves in the last few years. He’s been one of our best players this season.
Post by: wince on May 27, 2022, 06:00:20 PM
Post by: FatSam on May 27, 2022, 11:07:20 PM
My favourite villa player.Mine too. Looking back to the start of this thread, what a thoroughly positive influence he’s been on the club.
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 12:17:27 AM
His game management in the big moments is poor. Just as sat on his hands and did nothing when things were clearly going wrong against Croatia and then Italy, he’ll continue to do it again and again and cost England a legitimate opportunity of winning a major tournament.
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2022, 12:26:20 AM
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 12:34:46 AM
Southgate is a mealy mouthed cretin with zero idea about how to manage a team. He has had 2 free hits at tournaments where the draws could genuinely not have been hand picked to be kinder, and still not won one. His insistence that Maguire, Stones et al will always be in the squad proves his utter hypocrisy, while his lack of imagination with forward players leaves us so boring to watch he makes McLeish look attacking.
Definitely. 2018 in particular. He’s very a spreadsheet manger. His comments about learning from Portugal winning Euro 2016 speaks volumes. I think a lot of England fans will look back and think what might have been I fear.
Post by: Joe S on May 28, 2022, 07:18:29 AM
Neigh, the two-faced arsehole will do.
This didn't get the ripple of applause it deserved Dave. It made me chuckle, great response hehe.
Post by: john2710 on May 28, 2022, 07:56:00 AM
Tyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
I remember we used to have a Q&A article in the programme, where a player was asked about his favourite things. Southgate's favourite animal was, unsurprisingly a horse & his favourite drink was water.
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
Tyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
I remember we used to have a Q&A article in the programme, where a player was asked about his favourite things. Southgate's favourite animal was, unsurprisingly a horse & his favourite drink was water.
I’m sure there’s a leading a horse and water joke in there.
The Squaddies vhs is the best source for favourite drinks of Villa players in the mid 90’s. Sure it will be YouTube.
Post by: algy on May 28, 2022, 08:07:07 AM
It isTyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
I remember we used to have a Q&A article in the programme, where a player was asked about his favourite things. Southgate's favourite animal was, unsurprisingly a horse & his favourite drink was water.
I’m sure there’s a leading a horse and water joke in there.
The Squaddies vhs is the best source for favourite drinks of Villa players in the mid 90’s. Sure it will be YouTube.
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 08:10:50 AM
It isTyrone Mings is the perfect role model every parent should want their children to grow up to be, Gareth Southgate far from it, the two-faced arsehole.
I remember we used to have a Q&A article in the programme, where a player was asked about his favourite things. Southgate's favourite animal was, unsurprisingly a horse & his favourite drink was water.
I’m sure there’s a leading a horse and water joke in there.
The Squaddies vhs is the best source for favourite drinks of Villa players in the mid 90’s. Sure it will be YouTube.
YouTube has it’s uses for sure. It’s ridiculous and likely wouldn’t get made now.
Post by: Joe S on May 28, 2022, 08:27:46 AM
The full thing exists on You Tube too:
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2022, 09:35:26 AM
I remember that video, loved it at the time.
The full thing exists on You Tube too:
They were clearly sensitive to what was going on back home for Savo
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2022, 11:21:42 AM
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
Good man, Spinksy, most relatable response.
On a serious note, sad to think of the alcohol addiction that two of those players suffered, God and Gary Charles.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 01:55:07 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2022, 02:40:59 PM
The thing with Mings is that he's a good player with every attribute you'd want for him to be one of the very best defenders in the country, but his mistakes let him down. The one thing he and Konsa have never had is real top notch competition for their places. Well now they have, so it's up to them to improve and maintain standards accordingly. Which is exactly how it should be.
Missed this at the time but the other important thing to remember is that when he joined us he'd played about 15-20 games as a central defender so he came into a premier league campaign, as the leader of our defence, with less than a full season of experience.
Personally I think last season, for him personally, was a good year and particularly a good 2nd half to the season. Unfortunately it coincided with a collapse in Konsa's form so as a team we didn't really benefit. He's now hit 150 appearances as a centre-half and the extra experience is starting to show in my opinion. I don't really understand why so many Villa fans want him gone now.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 04:36:02 PM
I honestly think a lot of these views are from fans who don't watch the games or are more influenced by their mates / comments on Twitter than the reality.The thing with Mings is that he's a good player with every attribute you'd want for him to be one of the very best defenders in the country, but his mistakes let him down. The one thing he and Konsa have never had is real top notch competition for their places. Well now they have, so it's up to them to improve and maintain standards accordingly. Which is exactly how it should be.
Missed this at the time but the other important thing to remember is that when he joined us he'd played about 15-20 games as a central defender so he came into a premier league campaign, as the leader of our defence, with less than a full season of experience.
Personally I think last season, for him personally, was a good year and particularly a good 2nd half to the season. Unfortunately it coincided with a collapse in Konsa's form so as a team we didn't really benefit. He's now hit 150 appearances as a centre-half and the extra experience is starting to show in my opinion. I don't really understand why so many Villa fans want him gone now.
I agree he was really good in the second half of the season. In my view the critisism he gets is way out of proportion to the errors he makes and a lot of people seem to forget just what an important player he has been for us.
I remain a big fan of Mings and look forward to seeing what he can do with a decent DM in front of him and a quality partner next to him, both of who can take off some of the pressure of distribution off him.
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 05:17:42 PM
Well both Mings and Konsa now know with the signing of Carlos that their places aren't pretty well guaranteed, like they have been for the last two years.Which is great. I still have faith in Konsa to come good, but doubt he'll play much before Christmas. Chambers is a pretty decent back up too.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2022, 06:24:54 PM
I honestly think a lot of these views are from fans who don't watch the games or are more influenced by their mates / comments on Twitter than the reality.The thing with Mings is that he's a good player with every attribute you'd want for him to be one of the very best defenders in the country, but his mistakes let him down. The one thing he and Konsa have never had is real top notch competition for their places. Well now they have, so it's up to them to improve and maintain standards accordingly. Which is exactly how it should be.
Missed this at the time but the other important thing to remember is that when he joined us he'd played about 15-20 games as a central defender so he came into a premier league campaign, as the leader of our defence, with less than a full season of experience.
Personally I think last season, for him personally, was a good year and particularly a good 2nd half to the season. Unfortunately it coincided with a collapse in Konsa's form so as a team we didn't really benefit. He's now hit 150 appearances as a centre-half and the extra experience is starting to show in my opinion. I don't really understand why so many Villa fans want him gone now.
I agree he was really good in the second half of the season. In my view the critisism he gets is way out of proportion to the errors he makes and a lot of people seem to forget just what an important player he has been for us.
I remain a big fan of Mings and look forward to seeing what he can do with a decent DM in front of him and a quality partner next to him, both of who can take off some of the pressure of distribution off him.
Agree with all that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 13, 2022, 08:39:53 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 13, 2022, 08:49:37 PM
I honestly think a lot of these views are from fans who don't watch the games or are more influenced by their mates / comments on Twitter than the reality.The thing with Mings is that he's a good player with every attribute you'd want for him to be one of the very best defenders in the country, but his mistakes let him down. The one thing he and Konsa have never had is real top notch competition for their places. Well now they have, so it's up to them to improve and maintain standards accordingly. Which is exactly how it should be.
Missed this at the time but the other important thing to remember is that when he joined us he'd played about 15-20 games as a central defender so he came into a premier league campaign, as the leader of our defence, with less than a full season of experience.
Personally I think last season, for him personally, was a good year and particularly a good 2nd half to the season. Unfortunately it coincided with a collapse in Konsa's form so as a team we didn't really benefit. He's now hit 150 appearances as a centre-half and the extra experience is starting to show in my opinion. I don't really understand why so many Villa fans want him gone now.
I agree he was really good in the second half of the season. In my view the critisism he gets is way out of proportion to the errors he makes and a lot of people seem to forget just what an important player he has been for us.
I remain a big fan of Mings and look forward to seeing what he can do with a decent DM in front of him and a quality partner next to him, both of who can take off some of the pressure of distribution off him.
Agree with all that.
Yep me too. I think the anti Mings stuff at Villa in part emanates from the anti Mings outside the club. For instance when playing for England, he’s always discussed by pundits in terms of him being the weak link or insinuations to that effect. Connor Coady is never discussed in these terms, never mind Harry Maguire. I think theres a general erosion of his capabilities from within the media and some opposing fabs, to the extent its almost become part of the general premier league narrative that Mings has a mistake and is a bit shit.
How many big mistakes did he make last year, i can remember him not marking Lukaku well for his goal at VP, a bad clearance against Leeds, a few more, not many if any more than other CBs not at our club.
Really looking forwards to seeing him, Carlis and Kamara as a triangle in front of Martinez
Post by: baddowvillans on June 16, 2022, 04:53:43 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2022, 09:01:50 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2022, 09:09:32 AM
Slabhead is an absolute shambles for Man Utd. Less so for England as he is shielded by nine other defenders,
Yeah, and Tyrone is rock solid every time he plays for England as a result, despite coming in an out of the team.
Mings is a better player than Maguire full stop.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2022, 09:10:11 AM
Slabhead is an absolute shambles for Man Utd. Less so for England as he is shielded by nine other defenders,
Yeah, and Tyrone is rock solid every time he plays for England as a result, despite coming in an out of the team.
Mings is a better player than Maguire full stop.
Yep.
Post by: JD on June 17, 2022, 09:37:36 AM
Slabhead is an absolute shambles for Man Utd. Less so for England as he is shielded by nine other defenders,
Yeah, and Tyrone is rock solid every time he plays for England as a result, despite coming in an out of the team.
Mings is a better player than Maguire full stop.
Yep.
Totally agree. I love big Ty a very good player and an excellent person.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 17, 2022, 11:47:51 AM
If McGuire played for anyone but them he would not be getting a look in
Post by: clash city rocker on June 18, 2022, 04:10:19 PM
Slabhead was twice the cost but is half the player.... only mogadon Mouthgate cannot see it.
If McGuire played for anyone but them he would not be getting a look in
On the money there
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2022, 06:00:57 PM
However he’s miles better than Maguire - Maguire doesn’t switch on to start with.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 18, 2022, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 18, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
Slabhead was twice the cost but is half the player.... only mogadon Mouthgate cannot see it.
If McGuire played for anyone but them he would not be getting a look in
He was actually FOUR times the cost of Mings. With the transfers in the last 12 months, people seem to have forgotten JUST how expensive Maguire was, at £80m - that's more than Van Dijk.
Ty was an absolute steal for us at £20m, even if it felt like a lot at the time.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 18, 2022, 06:55:33 PM
Maguire always puts me in mind of Kryton from Red Dwarf.
he isnt terrible just overpriced , but he looks and runs like a pub player
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 20, 2022, 01:21:01 AM
Post by: Rory on June 20, 2022, 02:55:45 AM
Maguire always puts me in mind of Kryton from Red Dwarf.
Wonder what Maguire's groinal attachment is like.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 09, 2022, 10:19:42 PM
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Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2022, 12:14:40 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2022, 12:16:36 PM
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2022, 02:09:30 PM
He's got a more experienced defender alongside him and he should be better protected by the midfield this season so there really shouldn't be any excuse once the season gets going.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 02, 2022, 08:29:54 PM
Mings spoke up and made people understand on such a crucial issue, but he is now unable to do so with a captain's voice. That makes me disappointed.
My thoughts simply that I would have kept on Mings if we were not to change though I pushed for Martinez .
I had recommended Martinez as Captain and fitted what Gerrard had said about winners as a Captain.
Him and Ashley Young we could all have said about having a role. And yes so to McGinn but for TM to have no responsibilities as any sort of Captain role , then I think Mings time here as a first choice player is going to be limited over time. Especially when Diego Carlos was being reference as a vice captain.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 03, 2022, 01:51:30 AM
Respectfully, Mings is an inspiration off the field, and Premier League captains are debating whether to keep taking the knee.
Mings spoke up and made people understand on such a crucial issue, but he is now unable to do so with a captain's voice. That makes me disappointed.
My thoughts simply that I would have kept on Mings if we were not to change though I pushed for Martinez .
I had recommended Martinez as Captain and fitted what Gerrard had said about winners as a Captain.
Him and Ashley Young we could all have said about having a role. And yes so to McGinn but for TM to have no responsibilities as any sort of Captain role , then I think Mings time here as a first choice player is going to be limited over time. Especially when Diego Carlos was being reference as a vice captain.
I think Tyrone will be listened to / get as much of a voice in the media if he decides to speak out on the taking the knee or not, as he did when he was captain. I’m a massive fan of his values, voice and integrity, he’s tweet ‘owning’ - as I believe it’s expressed by young whippersnappers - Priti Patel was a thing of beauty & truth.
Where I think you are right is his voice won’t be directly in the captains what’s app group etc, but I can imagine SJM being very respectful/deferring to our Ty’s position anyway.
Tyrone has been part of bringing pride, and top flight football back to the Villa and so I trust will always be remembered with fondness.
I’d love him to get on the end of a few more successful set pieces. Who knows maybe there could be something in him not having the responsibility in his head. Either way I’m sure he’ll have worked through events with his psychologist.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 03, 2022, 05:43:58 AM
Just because someone gives you a title it doesn’t make you the leader. And just because you’re not the ‘boss’ it doesn’t mean you can’t be a leader.
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 09:50:21 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
Gerrard is doing what he thinks is best for the Villa team. Whether he has got this right or wrong remains to be seen, but the value of a player's media statements don't and shouldn't play a part in his thinking.
Exactly.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 03, 2022, 11:11:29 AM
A leader is a leader.You are needed on LinkedIn.
Just because someone gives you a title it doesn’t make you the leader. And just because you’re not the ‘boss’ it doesn’t mean you can’t be a leader.
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2022, 11:13:46 AM
A leader is a leader.You are needed on LinkedIn.
Just because someone gives you a title it doesn’t make you the leader. And just because you’re not the ‘boss’ it doesn’t mean you can’t be a leader.
Needs a photo of his staff smiling uncomfortably as he hands them a stale doughnut or something to go with it.
Post by: AV82EC on August 03, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
A leader is a leader.You are needed on LinkedIn.
Just because someone gives you a title it doesn’t make you the leader. And just because you’re not the ‘boss’ it doesn’t mean you can’t be a leader.
Needs a photo of his staff smiling uncomfortably as he hands them a stale doughnut or something to go with it.
Or some anecdote about how he helped a homeless one legged veteran who he was casually chatting to outside his local Costa.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
His signing was a pivotal moment for us and he's been a superb leader on and off the field. The word legend is dished out too easily and often, but whatever peoples views right now I think most will look back and appreciate just how much he contributed during a difficult period in our history.
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 11:48:38 AM
A leader is a leader.You are needed on LinkedIn.
Just because someone gives you a title it doesn’t make you the leader. And just because you’re not the ‘boss’ it doesn’t mean you can’t be a leader.
Needs a photo of his staff smiling uncomfortably as he hands them a stale doughnut or something to go with it.
Or some anecdote about how he helped a homeless one legged veteran who he was casually chatting to outside his local Costa.
After getting up at 5am, doing some yoga, learning a new language and doing an hour in the gym.
I'm going to post my motivational morning routine on there:
Alarm goes off at 7am.
Ignore it, scratch nuts, go back to sleep
Pretend not to hear one year old shouting from his cot, give wife "accidental" nudge.
7.30am, tell myself "5 more minutes" then get up at 7.50
Check various websites on phone
Make mental list of what needs to be done today, knowing full well it'll be the same list tomorrow
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2022, 11:51:12 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 12:41:16 PM
Gerrard is doing what he thinks is best for the Villa team. Whether he has got this right or wrong remains to be seen, but the value of a player's media statements don't and shouldn't play a part in his thinking.
Exactly.
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
It was indicated pretty clear early on that the captaining was up for grabs.
Why was it necessary to make that public? This is clearly a power move.
It was undermining towards Mings, but perhaps, as with Smith,
Mings's questioning of the coaching and manager on issues, or taking feedback to improve or focus on football, caused an issue.
For TM is not just a footballer he's a figurehead in society and an
influence outside of football.
McGinn will be eternally grateful and is the suppsoedly character that illsutrates what the manager wants on the pitch.
On the other side we have Mings he's more of a modern day footballer/person/human and non typical general footballer who has a opinion and voice and healthy interests outside of football
Look at how threatened thousands of blokes in Leeds, Yorkshire are by Mings so they abuse him.
Six months of analysis of Ming's leadership has resulted in him being stripped of captaincy and given far fewer responsibilities at the club,
without even a vice captain role.
Its a status thing and the responsibility has diminished.
Mings being relieved of his responsibilities is a blow, and I don't think
Gerrrad believes the club is big enough to have him and Mings competing for SG's spotlight.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 12:47:17 PM
Premier League captains took the decision after consulting with players.
The gesture will instead be seen before certain rounds of games, including the Boxing Day fixtures and cup finals.
Players and staff will also take the knee before the first and last matches of the 2022-23 campaign as well as dedicated No Room for Racism match rounds in October and March.
When Mings explained things about this gesture, he was spot on.
And I hope Mings isn't silenced into not commenting on this if
he feels compelled to do so.
I believe SG wants the focus to be on football.
Though this is debatable because footballers are not judged solely by
their performance on the field.
The bottom line is that I believe Ming's days are numbered.
Furthermore to me it will either be Mings or SG not here by next season.
Let us not forget that he is not a Gerrard acquisition.
Neither is McGinn, and neither has been consistent in standards of playing and all the yellow cards.
I wish Mings the best of luck this season and if it doesn't work out with Gerrard he may come again to the fore under a new coach here or elsewhere only time will tell.
Post by: Villan For Life on August 03, 2022, 12:50:36 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 03, 2022, 12:55:25 PM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 01:09:35 PM
And now Premier League players will stop the pre-match anti-racism gesture of taking the knee before every match.
Premier League captains took the decision after consulting with players.
The gesture will instead be seen before certain rounds of games, including the Boxing Day fixtures and cup finals.
Players and staff will also take the knee before the first and last matches of the 2022-23 campaign as well as dedicated No Room for Racism match rounds in October and March.
When Mings explained things about this gesture, he was spot on.
And I hope Mings isn't silenced into not commenting on this if
he feels compelled to do so.
I believe SG wants the focus to be on football.
Though this is debatable because footballers are not judged solely by
their performance on the field.
The bottom line is that I believe Ming's days are numbered.
Furthermore to me it will either be Mings or SG not here by next season.
Let us not forget that he is not a Gerrard acquisition.
Neither is McGinn, and neither has been consistent in standards of playing and all the yellow cards.
I wish Mings the best of luck this season and if it doesn't work out with Gerrard he may come again to the fore under a new coach here or elsewhere only time will tell.
We get that you're still pining for Deano, and will never like Gerrard, but making up blatant rubbish is a step too far. Where has Gerrard suggested even once that Mings shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinions on anti-racism or similar?
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2022, 01:24:11 PM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
This. Sorry Footy, you're taking drivel.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
SG looked at all the players to give fair opportunity to have the honour.
Seems like the loudest and joker in the pack got the job.
We can't say it's McGinn performance or explempary discipline record.
Many different reasons.
Yet McGinn appointed due to 6 months analysis of his character.
And 10 days before season gives the armband hoping others adapt.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2022, 02:04:38 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 03, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
But if losing the captaincy makes him more consistent, then I’m all for it. I believe he is a very good player, but he does have that annoying mistake in him too regularly. And he will be as much of a leader without the armband than he has been with it. So
I understand Gerrards rationale.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 03, 2022, 05:11:19 PM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
SG looked at all the players to give fair opportunity to have the honour.
Seems like the loudest and joker in the pack got the job.
We can't say it's McGinn performance or explempary discipline record.
Many different reasons.
Yet McGinn appointed due to 6 months analysis of his character.
And 10 days before season gives the armband hoping others adapt.
Ive been a supporter of Mings, both player and person, but Footy, you can’t make the statement that the stripping of the captaincy is about his personality being bigger than Gerrards. You’ve written this as a statement of fact and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2022, 05:22:00 PM
I loved having Mings as a captain. As an individual , I thought he was the best captain we’ve had in a long time. An absolute role model, who speaks very well off the field about a whole range of issues. His public response to losing the captaincy made me more proud to have him here.
But if losing the captaincy makes him more consistent, then I’m all for it. I believe he is a very good player, but he does have that annoying mistake in him too regularly. And he will be as much of a leader without the armband than he has been with it. So
I understand Gerrards rationale.
A straw poll on here at the end of last season, would no doubt have McGinn as the biggest under performer (from the regulars). Yet he was rewarded with the captaincy. It's one of a number of unnecessary moves from Gerrard since he joined.
Mings was making those annoying mistakes with or without the captaincy previously. Happy to be proven wrong but I suspect last season his unforced errors leading to goals/xG stat was quite low compared to the two previous when Grealish was captain. I've no issue if for footballing reasons Gerrard thinks Carlos will be a better player and help us progress. It's rewarding McGinn that beggars belief for me.
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 03, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
Post by: usav on August 03, 2022, 06:38:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 03, 2022, 06:41:59 PM
I think it's really simple. Mings is no longer first choice left CB. McGinn although captain from the outset, better get his act together or he will be dropped as well.
Yep, that's my take on it as well.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2022, 11:43:01 AM
Post by: dutchvilla on August 04, 2022, 11:55:14 AM
Post by: villainabroad on August 04, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
Which is exactly what all this is I guess. We're all speculating here, but SG's move did seem to put Mings down (which may end up with TM coming back stronger, who knows). But the oddest thing of all was appointing McGinn - if ever there was a player who needed to step up after a poor year...
I suppose like Deano, SG has his favourites (AY, JMcG, PC?) and Mings isn't one of them.
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2022, 04:02:22 PM
I like Mings and I think he's the best captain we had in a long time, though also prone to howlers, like a lot of our defenders in recent years. He might not be first choice now... but to also strip him of any captaincy role (step forward role model/ref-baiter Ashley Young to be our club captain) at this point a few days before we start the season did seem a bit of a strange move to me. And the line about concentrating on his own game seems open to speculation.
Which is exactly what all this is I guess. We're all speculating here, but SG's move did seem to put Mings down (which may end up with TM coming back stronger, who knows). But the oddest thing of all was appointing McGinn - if ever there was a player who needed to step up after a poor year...
I suppose like Deano, SG has his favourites (AY, JMcG, PC?) and Mings isn't one of them.
The AY one irritates me (another one!). He proved beyond doubt he was past it last season. We have brought in another backup LB and seem covered at RB too with KKH. Why do we need him?
For footballing reasons I think we should have been backing EB as our talisman. PC a huge talent no doubt but we didn't need him. Just think Gerrard will continue to struggle to fit both in to the detriment of the team.
Post by: villainabroad on August 04, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
Post by: pelty on August 04, 2022, 06:12:57 PM
I loved having Mings as a captain. As an individual , I thought he was the best captain we’ve had in a long time. An absolute role model, who speaks very well off the field about a whole range of issues. His public response to losing the captaincy made me more proud to have him here.
But if losing the captaincy makes him more consistent, then I’m all for it. I believe he is a very good player, but he does have that annoying mistake in him too regularly. And he will be as much of a leader without the armband than he has been with it. So
I understand Gerrards rationale.
A straw poll on here at the end of last season, would no doubt have McGinn as the biggest under performer (from the regulars). Yet he was rewarded with the captaincy. It's one of a number of unnecessary moves from Gerrard since he joined.
Mings was making those annoying mistakes with or without the captaincy previously. Happy to be proven wrong but I suspect last season his unforced errors leading to goals/xG stat was quite low compared to the two previous when Grealish was captain. I've no issue if for footballing reasons Gerrard thinks Carlos will be a better player and help us progress. It's rewarding McGinn that beggars belief for me.
Right on the money!
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 04, 2022, 10:00:58 PM
Couldn't agree more about Young. EB's treatment is another odd one from SG. His treatment of Targett too (had been underperforming but I don't think he's actually that much worse than Digne to be honest). Might be going off topic now though!
It is going off subject, but can’t agree over Targett, with nothing against him as he was a solid professional, but Digne is a far superior player.
I want to see EB in the team, but the idea that we don’t need Coutinhio (i know you didn’t say this) is bizarre, he’s a brilliant player.
Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2022, 11:05:27 PM
I may have missed it, but nothing in his tenure to date has bigged up the contribution of one of our key players these past few years.
Shortly after taking the job he was making noises about the captaincy being open to other candidates. Later in the season he was saying one of the new signings might be captain. And now he's given it to a player who (as much as I like him) was more of a liability than Tyrone last year.
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2022, 11:48:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
I don't think it's about being first choice or not but rather whether being captain is a burden or a motivation for the player. With Mings I suspect he took being captain very seriously, to the point of being as concerned about how other people are playing as he was about his own game. By asking him to take a step back Gerrard is telling him to only concentrate on his own game for now. Given lapses in concentration and errors are the main criticisms of him that makes sense.I do hope Mings is in the team against Bournemouth.
I'm starting to suspect he won't be starting.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2022, 10:28:58 AM
Couldn't agree more about Young. EB's treatment is another odd one from SG. His treatment of Targett too (had been underperforming but I don't think he's actually that much worse than Digne to be honest). Might be going off topic now though!
It is going off subject, but can’t agree over Targett, with nothing against him as he was a solid professional, but Digne is a far superior player.
Digne is on a totally different level to Targett going forward. Targett is a solid defensive full back, which was fine when he had Grealish in front of him and didn't need to get forward so much, but doesn't work without him, and doesn't fit in with Gerrard's way of playing.
Nothing against Targett, he seems a good bloke and is a solid player and you've got to respect his desire not to sit on his arse, but sometimes a deal is just good for all parties concerned, and this is an example of that.
I think Digne for 27 or whatever it was we paid for him is a great deal and we were lucky to exploit a chronic piece of mis-management from Everton (manager falls out with top player, sell top player, then literally days later sack the manager).
Post by: Villan82 on August 05, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2022, 03:08:54 PM
Someone in defence was going to pay and as Konsa was injured towards the end and Chambers not being too bad it was TM in the firing line.
As much as i like Ty and even have a bit of a man crush over him, i cannot argue that he was part of the problem.
Would not be surprised to see Konsa / Carlos or Chambers / Carlos as being preferred choices
Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2022, 03:24:15 PM
He's not McGrath levels of infallible, no.
But he's no more error prone than Stones, Maguire and a whole host of other top 4>6 centre halves. The game has moved on from two banks of four, so centre halves are generally more exposed these days. With the starting position of both of our full-backs from Nov last year, peak McGrath may have even struggled. Then again...
From SG's comments in the presser today it sounds personal. I wouldn't be stunned if Tyrone was away by the deadline.
Post by: KRS on August 05, 2022, 04:37:45 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 06, 2022, 10:13:02 AM
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 10:14:41 AM
My daughter has just brought to my attention that Tyrone seems to be missing from merchandising ads. Any significance I wonder? although Grealish was in them up until he actually left so probably nothing, hopefully.(https://i.ibb.co/ZGmqbTW/Screenshot-2022-08-06-at-10-14-03.png) (https://ibb.co/ZGmqbTW)
Post by: dave shelley on August 06, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
I didn’t hear or sense anything remotely personal towards Mings from SG at all. If he doesn’t play tomorrow it will be due to an injury picked up, and the captaincy decision doesn’t have to be forensically analysed in to being something that it’s not either.
I presume that Diego is the number one centre back now and it's just a case of who plays alongside him. I think I'd be happy with either Tyrone or Calum Chambers as they offer slightly different things. Hopefully, at last, we have someone interchangeable and it won't drop the quality. (I hope).
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
This. Sorry Footy, you're taking drivel.
No, not in the slightest it's a view that I see which because you see it alternatively you dismiss.
Gerrard is all about control and Mings is his own character which for Gerrard is obviously a problem.
Find it disappointing. I'd rather celebrate Mings and look to boost him rather than what's occurred. But let's hope McGinn steps up as not just a joker in a locker room who boost morale as this ain't no circus.
Post by: cdward on August 06, 2022, 10:49:21 AM
My daughter has just brought to my attention that Tyrone seems to be missing from merchandising ads. Any significance I wonder? although Grealish was in them up until he actually left so probably nothing, hopefully.
They realised that Mings and his fine six pack physique might have been feeling inadequate against the Villa Dad bods, so they left him out to concentrate on his game.
(that's probably why it was noticed he was missing too)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 10:57:08 AM
Ming's character is probably too large for SG.
SG has gone after Mings to show them who's in charge.
Whilst I know I'm still not convinced about Gerrard, I also know this is a load of bollocks. There's no way on earth this is down to his character, but will be more about his level of performance and consistency on the field.
No it's a concern and view I have. You can disagree but it can't be ruled out as nonsense. I am concerned that Gerrard will become frustrated and disappointed as a result of his management control issues.
When he tries to communicate in this manner when things are difficult, his form and the team will deviate significantly. SG is a pragmatic coach who wants to say how it is. He wants the team to be in control of the game and ultimately, he can give the vibe of a frustrated ex-player , an elite one , who as a captain wants exactly the same from his current players but he has to now be the coach not the ex player and help his players.
The plus to having such a determined winner is that he is a coach who understands the importance of winning and exceeding expectations. He wants to improve, and he expects certain levels and standards to be met by his players.
When things are going well, we gain momentum and can move forward but can we say his consistency is any better than Mings or his players.
As a player for Liverpool it was but as a manager and coach he has to make sure its not just all talk.
That's just how I see it and have that right.
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2022, 11:21:20 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on August 06, 2022, 11:32:20 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 11:44:18 AM
Footy where is your evidence of any character issues? Mings may make mistakes on the pitch but I've never seen anyone question his attitude or approach. Gerrard has said himself that he had a good conversation about it.
Its well-known a new manager enters and makes a statement to establish his authority over a team and squad.
Managers will frequently target staff and players in order to make a point to the team and remind them who is in charge.
Different frequencies of that for different managers and for situations they find themselves in.
Classic football psychology and in wider field of other industries. Politics.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 11:46:25 AM
Footy, if he has a problem with Mings' charecter, then he would have dropped him last season when he had the chance. You're just wobbling utter nonsense.No screams to me more like Mings doesn't fit with Gerrard style of how to be a footballer character.
One who is solely a footballer. SG would feel intimidated by such a presence. McGinn is a different character . And maybe correct for SG identity
But as a club and ambassador Mings represents a lot.
Mings is inspiration and a figure head. It's pretty harsh how he's been cast aside from all responsibility given all his ability as a recognised and articulate speaker and what he does off the field.
Good luck to them all I say
All decent enough people in their own right.
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 11:49:29 AM
Footy, if he has a problem with Mings' charecter, then he would have dropped him last season when he had the chance. You're just wobbling utter nonsense.No more like Mings doesn't fit with Gerrard style of how to be a footballer character.
One who is solely a footballer.
Mings is inspiration and a figure head. It's pretty harsh how he's been cast aside from all responsibility given all his ability as a recognised and articulate speaker and what he does off the field.
What he does off the field has no bearing whatsoever on his job as captain for Aston Villa. A manager has taken over a club halfway through the season, and now during the summer has decided that he thinks John McGinn is the person he wants to be captain. Now you don't like either Gerrard or McGinn, as your incessant digs at them show, but the suggestion that Gerrard doesn't like Mings because of his character is nothing more than nonsense.
Post by: Villan For Life on August 06, 2022, 11:51:28 AM
Footy where is your evidence of any character issues? Mings may make mistakes on the pitch but I've never seen anyone question his attitude or approach. Gerrard has said himself that he had a good conversation about it.
Its well-known a new manager enters and makes a statement to establish his authority over a team and squad.
Managers will frequently target staff and players in order to make a point to the team and remind them who is in charge.
Different frequencies of that for different managers and for situations they find themselves in.
Classic football psychology and in wider field of other industries. Politics.
That’s a hypothesis but where is your evidence that this has/is happening at Villa?
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2022, 11:55:28 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 12:10:24 PM
Just notice an ego there due to his status in the game.
This is Aston Villa not Steven Gerrards Aston villa.
Anyway let's be optimistic for everything . Will see how season plays out
Good wishes to the us all in supporting and that.
Up the Villa
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2022, 02:25:36 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 06, 2022, 02:46:19 PM
I think Gerrard has got the LCB position correct. I like Mings - When he's on his game, he's formidable, but the inpromptu brain farts let him down. This might give him the wake up call he needs, without the added limelight of being captain.
I'm more surprised with Konsa over Chambers - Was a bit non-plussed when we signed Chambers, but EVERY time I've seen him, he looks decent, and has only got better each time he plays.
Happy with the line-up in general. If Bournemouth 'do a Fulham' and we're under the cosh first half, we have 5 subs MORE than capable of putting this one to bed (*Enter Emi Buendia).
UTV
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
I'm more surprised with Konsa over Chambers - Was a bit non-plussed when we signed Chambers, but EVERY time I've seen him, he looks decent, and has only got better each time he plays.
UTV
I agree with this, Konsa I thought was way worse than MIngs last season, think he hid a little, barely passed a ball forwards & didn’t defend great. Hopefully having genuine competition will see him step back up to his early games where he was an England candidate
Post by: Villafirst on August 06, 2022, 06:24:33 PM
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Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 06:35:48 PM
I think SG's treatment of Mings is shocking. To drop him after stripping him of the captaincy is poor man management in my opinion. Mings organises that defence - he's not that bad at all!
He is though.
Post by: BC Villain on August 06, 2022, 06:38:02 PM
But no, Gerrard decides he knows best and issues another very public humiliation of him
Post by: Vegas on August 06, 2022, 06:38:20 PM
But, to slightly misquote SGT, it’s very easy to convince yourself that the team you would have picked would have done better.
Post by: cdward on August 06, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
Slightly worried that Mings losing the captaincy might affect the dressing room.
Only time will tell.
Mings has more credit in the bank with supporters than SG.
Post by: Paul.S on August 06, 2022, 06:48:28 PM
Post by: Jane on August 06, 2022, 06:59:30 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 06, 2022, 07:02:10 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcwm/status/1555959637270319105?t=Veu6tiLCHwCh9z5mWJhvkw&s=19
Post by: Jane on August 06, 2022, 07:03:07 PM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.
Have you got the stats to prove that?
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 07:09:17 PM
Mings absolutely should have started today. Losing the captaincy, against his old club with a world cup in few months time? He'd have been fired up to prove a few people wrong.
But no, Gerrard decides he knows best and issues another very public humiliation of him
A mature coach today would have brought Mings on for Konsa after about 55 mins..watching Kieffer fuckin Moore bully Konsa was embarrassing. Carlos was rubbish too and didn't seem comfortable on his left side. A fired up Mings coming on to rile up some of our players, including his replacement as captain, would have been ideal.
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 07:11:25 PM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.
Have you got the stats to prove that?
Yes, finished 17th, 11th and 14th.
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 07:12:48 PM
Post by: Stu on August 06, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 06, 2022, 07:18:27 PM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.
Have you got the stats to prove that?
Yes, finished 17th, 11th and 14th.
By that logic there hasn't been a single Villa player since 2010/11 that's been top half quality.
Post by: Jane on August 06, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.
Have you got the stats to prove that?
Yes, finished 17th, 11th and 14th.
Didn’t realise that Tyrone was playing on his own in defence. Bravo.
Post by: caster troy on August 06, 2022, 07:36:03 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2022, 07:36:32 PM
Lose 2.0 to an abject team then expect some flack.
Post by: walsall villain on August 06, 2022, 07:38:17 PM
If it's the manager v Mings, I'm 'Team Ty' every day of the week, I'd wager he's done more for the club than Gerrard ever will. Terrible decision to strip him of the captaincy and criminal to double down on that by also dropping him in favour of Konsa who was worse last season and is returning from injury. Now it's a triple whammy with this 'look me in the eye' bollocks. Gerrard is acting like he is prime Alex Ferguson when in reality he is a rookie manager less achievements than Alex McLeish.I completely agree. Totally disrespectful to a player who has always given his all.
Post by: Villan82 on August 06, 2022, 08:09:11 PM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.
Have you got the stats to prove that?
Yes, finished 17th, 11th and 14th.
How reducitve
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
He's not the fucking problem.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2022, 08:12:08 PM
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 08:13:07 PM
Every time we drop Mings, or he's out, we look shite.
He's not the fucking problem.
He's also not the solution.
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 08:13:24 PM
The manager seems to be trying his best to make him a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by the end of the month.
Yeah, and it's worrying.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 06, 2022, 08:13:45 PM
And that was all Ming's fault?It clearly wasn't and Mings should have been in the starting line up today.
Big error on the managers part for me.
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2022, 08:15:42 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 08:15:58 PM
Every time we drop Mings, or he's out, we look shite.
He's not the fucking problem.
He's also not the solution.
Yeah, but dropping him for players not as good as him isn't either.
Post by: colin69 on August 06, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
Gerrard’s treatment of him is an absolute disgrace. The block against Burnley in the last home game of last season sums the bloke up for me…always puts his body on the line for Villa.
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 08:18:38 PM
For the life of me I don’t know why Mings gets so much flak on here and down Villa Park.
Gerrard’s treatment of him is an absolute disgrace. The block against Burnley in the last home game of last season sums the bloke up for me…always puts his body on the line for Villa.
Yep.
Post by: charlatan on August 06, 2022, 08:27:42 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 06, 2022, 08:31:37 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 06, 2022, 08:39:33 PM
Losing faith in ’Stevie G’ every passing day….
Post by: BC Villain on August 06, 2022, 09:04:53 PM
I'm not sure why Gerrard would pick this fight.
Because he's arrogant. Simple.
Post by: SteveN on August 06, 2022, 09:15:20 PM
If we have to choose sides, I’m firmly in Camp Mings too. He’s done more for this club than Gerrard ever will.That's my take on it.
Losing faith in ’Steven G’ every passing day….
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 09:24:31 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 09:31:51 PM
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 09:32:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 09:37:28 PM
Then God help us.
Well we'll need his help if the evidence of today is anything to go by.
Post by: Beard82 on August 06, 2022, 09:47:00 PM
He's the best defender we've got until Carlos proves otherwise.100% this - he’s proved more in a villa shirt than pretty anyone else in the squad. Hes flawed but everyone else is too.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2022, 09:49:08 PM
Mings isn't good enough for us to improve upon what we've been so far.
All hail the conquering Gerrard. Achiever of 14th place, and runner-up to St Johnstone. We're lucky to have him.
Post by: Villan82 on August 06, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
Then God help us.
England international centre-back, giant in the air, threat from set pieces and one of the best defenders we have had this decade, if not the best.
Why are you doubling down so hard?.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2022, 10:01:37 PM
Then God help us.
England international centre-back, giant in the air, threat from set pieces and one of the best defenders we have had this decade, if not the best.
Why are you doubling down so hard?.
It's the Johnson/Murdoch/Dacre playbook.
Post by: Legion on August 06, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 10:29:34 PM
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 10:30:16 PM
Apart from his playing ability Tyrone Mings is an outstanding role model in his private and public life. He is a natural leader by example and a credit to the game. We are lucky to have him as a Villa player. I suspect that his high profile and reputation are among the reasons why Steven Gerrard resents him so much.
Utter nonsense.
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2022, 10:32:54 PM
Whilst Carlos is settling in I’d much rather see him alongside Mings
Post by: cdward on August 06, 2022, 10:42:48 PM
Apart from his playing ability Tyrone Mings is an outstanding role model in his private and public life. He is a natural leader by example and a credit to the game. We are lucky to have him as a Villa player. I suspect that his high profile and reputation are among the reasons why Steven Gerrard resents him so much.
Utter nonsense.
Agreed, utter nonsense.
Mainly because I think you are doing a disservice to SG as a person.
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well, and knows how to act in club duties. To say that he is resentful of a senior player at the club, after the career that Gerrard has had is just nonsense.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2022, 10:48:26 PM
Apart from his playing ability Tyrone Mings is an outstanding role model in his private and public life. He is a natural leader by example and a credit to the game. We are lucky to have him as a Villa player. I suspect that his high profile and reputation are among the reasons why Steven Gerrard resents him so much.
Utter nonsense.
Agreed, utter nonsense.
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well
I agree. He carries himself brilliantly. If points were awarded for press conferences, in-house interviews and photo opportunities we'd be in the Champion's League without question. The problem is all the football manager stuff that he's not so good at.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2022, 10:52:23 PM
Apart from his playing ability Tyrone Mings is an outstanding role model in his private and public life. He is a natural leader by example and a credit to the game. We are lucky to have him as a Villa player. I suspect that his high profile and reputation are among the reasons why Steven Gerrard resents him so much.
Utter nonsense.
Agreed, utter nonsense.
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well
I agree. He carries himself brilliantly. If points were awarded for press conferences, in-house interviews and photo opportunities we'd be in the Champion's League without question. The problem is all the football manager stuff that he's not so good at.
Agree. Especially with every hack and pundit turning the narrative to Liverpool he has always shot them down on that.
He gets Villa unlike some who managed us (DOL Houliier) ut so did Bruce and McLeish and Turner and for different reasons were found wanting.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2022, 10:57:59 PM
Apart from his playing ability Tyrone Mings is an outstanding role model in his private and public life. He is a natural leader by example and a credit to the game. We are lucky to have him as a Villa player. I suspect that his high profile and reputation are among the reasons why Steven Gerrard resents him so much.
Utter nonsense.
Agreed, utter nonsense.
Mainly because I think you are doing a disservice to SG as a person.
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well, and knows how to act in club duties. To say that he is resentful of a senior player at the club, after the career that Gerrard has had is just nonsense.
Yes frustrated ex player vibes
Like Roy Keane.
Mings probably isn't scared of either of them or over enamored how they commuicate which will annoy given their status and attitude to winning.
But not really here for debate on this one and if people really think it's nonsense then so be it
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2022, 11:11:01 PM
Abject fucking rubbish.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2022, 11:20:17 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 06, 2022, 11:29:42 PM
I certainly don't question Tyrone's commitment to Villa, but I do question the manager's.
Post by: frank on August 07, 2022, 12:01:46 AM
Post by: Nelly on August 07, 2022, 12:05:40 AM
I don't particularly blame Gerrard for dropping him but his replacements need to have stepped up to justify the exclusion. Otherwise it's just pointless. All today did was show that Mings is still the best defender at the club. Which is worrying.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:30:54 AM
Mings isn't good enough for us to improve upon what we've been so far.
All hail the conquering Gerrard. Achiever of 14th place, and runner-up to St Johnstone. We're lucky to have him.
OK?
You're in the Mings thread.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:32:31 AM
Our defence was awful today but Mings has been part of shoddy defences for ages too. On his day he's a giant but he is internationally synonymous now with mistakes, bad control, poor passes and those - putting it kindly - idealistic punts to the opposite corner flag.
I don't particularly blame Gerrard for dropping him but his replacements need to have stepped up to justify the exclusion. Otherwise it's just pointless. All today did was show that Mings is still the best defender at the club. Which is worrying.
Watkins
Mings
McGinn
They all have their day and can be brilliant. But by and large they have a very ordinary at best day and when that's your spine, is it a surprise that you deliver mediocrity? They're just not top 8 players, any of them, for an abundance of reasons.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 12:36:20 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2022, 12:38:55 AM
I’d rather have Mings making the odd mistake whilst attacking every ball and organising the defence than the way Konsa has played pretty much since crowds came back.
Whilst Carlos is settling in I’d much rather see him alongside Mings
Completely agree.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:39:31 AM
They're not top 8 players, is mine. They lack consistency as a collective across a number of issues. We rely on them, we'll come up short. Palace away, Man United away for captain Marvel. Not good enough.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 12:48:39 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 07, 2022, 12:59:39 AM
Post by: charlatan on August 07, 2022, 12:59:54 AM
Kenny Miller play 69 times for Scotland and scored 18 goals.Willie Miller played 65 and only scored once, but he was a better player.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 07, 2022, 01:02:59 AM
So why does the manager pick them? Why did he make McGinn captain?
I think if Gerrard were to fail here then this will be the number 1 reason most people look back on.
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2022, 01:49:39 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on August 07, 2022, 03:47:07 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2022, 06:12:51 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2022, 07:24:36 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
Had this on Friday from a Liverpool fan who knows fuck all about us "Mings is terrible isn't he?" followed up after I defended him with "McGinn is a good, solid player". Seems a bit like perceptions in the absence of ever watching us are shaped by off field reputations.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 07, 2022, 07:36:57 AM
I’d rather have Mings making the odd mistake whilst attacking every ball and organising the defence than the way Konsa has played pretty much since crowds came back.
Whilst Carlos is settling in I’d much rather see him alongside Mings
Completely agree.
Me too.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 07, 2022, 08:27:02 AM
I wasn't suprised Mings was dropped. I was that Konsa played though. He wasn't to blame but it was an odd decison bearing mind how long he's been out.
Kind of agree though I do think Konsa was poor. The problem with dropping someone like Mings is his replacement needs to turn in a very strong performance and Carlos did not yesterday. Hopefully he'll find his feet soon enough.
Konsa though? Poor all of last season, underwhelming pre-season, so I can't understand why he is given the opportunity. If no Mings, I expected Chambers to play along Carlos.
Post by: FatSam on August 07, 2022, 08:33:14 AM
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.I agree with that, but unfortunately that is only one aspect of managing a football club. There is also the small matter of being able to organise a group of players into a coherent and efficient footballing unit. The jury is still out as far as this is concerned.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well, and knows how to act in club duties. To say that he is resentful of a senior player at the club, after the career that Gerrard has had is just nonsense.
Post by: FatSam on August 07, 2022, 08:34:18 AM
Me threeI’d rather have Mings making the odd mistake whilst attacking every ball and organising the defence than the way Konsa has played pretty much since crowds came back.
Whilst Carlos is settling in I’d much rather see him alongside Mings
Completely agree.
Me too.
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 07, 2022, 08:36:30 AM
I think we can all agree Mings is a great example of a decent human being and professional.I agree with that, but unfortunately that is only one aspect of managing a football club. There is also the small matter of being able to organise a group of players into a coherent and efficient footballing unit. The jury is still out as far as this is concerned.
But I have been impressed with Gerrard’s professionalism and maturity as our manager. He carries himself well, and knows how to act in club duties. To say that he is resentful of a senior player at the club, after the career that Gerrard has had is just nonsense.
Have you seen 12 Angry Men? This is the reverse. Henry Fonda is slowly convincing the jury that the accused is guilty.
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2022, 08:39:26 AM
Being dropped doesn't surprise me but being dropped for Konsa who was shitter than him last season does. Maybe it was just a balance thing as both Mings and Carlos both play as LCB but it should have been Chambers over Konsa.
That's another point I agree with, I'd have Chambers in front of Konsa.
Post by: Allan C on August 07, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
I wouldn't. He's nowhere near top half Premier League quality.And neither is Konsa
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 08:47:03 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
Had this on Friday from a Liverpool fan who knows fuck all about us "Mings is terrible isn't he?" followed up after I defended him with "McGinn is a good, solid player". Seems a bit like perceptions in the absence of ever watching us are shaped by off field reputations.
Are you sure that wasn't a text off Gerrard?
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2022, 09:06:21 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
The ‘he’s always got a rick in him’ comment really boils my piss.
It a lazy, contrived comment because there is actually very little to criticise the player about and specific examples are hard to find. But throw in a meaninglessness few words of bullshit and hey presto you’re a football commentator.
I’ve posted on here many times my reasons for defending Mings and why I think he’s a massive asset and credit to the club.
I hope the manager realises soon that he has ‘made a rick’
Post by: john2710 on August 07, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I wouldn't be surprised to see him move elsewhere over the next 3 weeks.
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 09:17:47 AM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 09:28:12 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
The ‘he’s always got a rick in him’ comment really boils my piss.
It a lazy, contrived comment because there is actually very little to criticise the player about and specific examples are hard to find. But throw in a meaninglessness few words of bullshit and hey presto you’re a football commentator.
I’ve posted on here many times my reasons for defending Mings and why I think he’s a massive asset and credit to the club.
I hope the manager realises soon that he has ‘made a rick’
It's really not that hard to find a rick from Mings. I'm not saying that Konsa is the answer, but let's not pretend that a whole load of goals didn't come from a Mings fuck up last season.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2022, 09:28:34 AM
On the other hand, he's a brilliant defender when it comes to the last ditch stuff. The problem is, we're aiming to be a side that dominates and so doesn't usually require much in the way of last ditch blocks and tackles.
He's fine for where we are, not so much for where we are aiming to be.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2022, 09:29:21 AM
It's a major fuck up to strip him of captaincy and drop him; there must be something behind the scenes otherwise it's that bad a decision it makes me question the managers competence.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 07, 2022, 09:33:32 AM
To just drop in Carlos was also too big a decision and he needed Mings alongside yesterday.
Gerrard binned all that experience and leadership.
Big call from Gerrard to bomb him out and that change alone needed a strong performance and a positive result and we got neither.
They are the managers calls and he lives or dies by it but he's heaped the pressure on and now the Everton game is so much bigger than it should have been.
I'd play Mings next week but sadly can see him playing elsewhere.
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2022, 09:35:18 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 09:36:17 AM
I am sure Mings has saved/prevented far more goals against than he has been directly responsible for giving away.that’s sort of his job.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
As things stand, Ming's is the best defender at the club. Our results with & without him are clear.
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I wouldn't be surprised to see him move elsewhere over the next 3 weeks.
Where are the stats for this? He's only missed a handful of games over the last two seasons, so I'd be very surprised is there was much of an obvious correlation.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 09:40:21 AM
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 09:40:35 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 07, 2022, 09:42:53 AM
He's fine for where we are, not so much for where we are aiming to be.
I take it by this phrase you mean the top 6 or higher?
The reality is that if we do make it to the higher echelons of the pl it will be with players like Mings, Watkins etc. and young players coming through making up the majority of the team.
There aren't many ambitious players who feel they are top 6 who are willing to drop down to a lower-mid table team unless silly money is being talked about.
We're going to need players like Mings playing out of their skins to push on from the 11th placed finish they've already managed and then once we reach the top 6 we'll be in a great position to attract the players we're aiming for.
Taking the captaincy off Mings and then dropping him intimating b/s is not the way to do it, not least because of the impact it may have on the rest of the squad.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2022, 09:45:12 AM
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 07, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
I think he's got the stats the wrong way round where it says we concede 2.0 with him and 1.4 without him. No chance we've conceded 2 a game for 3 seasons.
Yes he must have done, particularly as it doesn't prove the point he is making
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 09:58:36 AM
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 10:01:16 AM
He'll likely be back next week and we'll have two brusiers at the back against that ex-Stripey whose about as mobile as a static caravan.Which makes the decision even more baffling...
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 07, 2022, 10:27:43 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 10:51:50 AM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
The ‘he’s always got a rick in him’ comment really boils my piss.
It a lazy, contrived comment because there is actually very little to criticise the player about and specific examples are hard to find. But throw in a meaninglessness few words of bullshit and hey presto you’re a football commentator.
I’ve posted on here many times my reasons for defending Mings and why I think he’s a massive asset and credit to the club.
I hope the manager realises soon that he has ‘made a rick’
It's really not that hard to find a rick from Mings. I'm not saying that Konsa is the answer, but let's not pretend that a whole load of goals didn't come from a Mings fuck up last season.
He'd have blocked their first yesterday. Not one player threw themselves at the ball , they all turned away or meekly stuck a leg out.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 10:52:21 AM
I hope Gerrard is big enough to admit to his error at leaving Mings out yesterday, but somehow I doubt it. Even worse was to play Konsa, who was mostly poor last season. Do you remember the Spurs home game Steven?
I think the feeling is that we've got a better defender in Carlos now, so we need somebody with better distribution than Mings, whose first thought is always just a big aimless punt. I'd have gone with Carlos and Chambers myself.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 10:52:47 AM
I am sure Mings has saved/prevented far more goals against than he has been directly responsible for giving away.that’s sort of his job.
As a striker's is to score, but they miss sometimes. A keeper's is to save goals, but they concede etc.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2022, 10:58:53 AM
I hope Gerrard is big enough to admit to his error at leaving Mings out yesterday, but somehow I doubt it. Even worse was to play Konsa, who was mostly poor last season. Do you remember the Spurs home game Steven?
I think the feeling is that we've got a better defender in Carlos now, so we need somebody with better distribution than Mings, whose first thought is always just a big aimless punt. I'd have gone with Carlos and Chambers myself.
Yes the problem is that Mings does make mistakes, but a lot of that is down to him trying to carry the ball out of defence. I don’t know what Carlos is like with that, but even when Konsa has looked good he’s always played it very safe.
Post by: steamer on August 07, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
They have bruisers in their team Billings etc
We stood rooted to the spot for the first, Mings should have played
Maybe he has a new CH lined up, yesterdays pairing did not work
Post by: manic-road on August 07, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Just like last season I was full of hope before the first game to be totally deflated after a pathetic performance against a club on paper man for man we are better, but look devoid of shape and ability.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 12:04:33 PM
exactly my pointI am sure Mings has saved/prevented far more goals against than he has been directly responsible for giving away.that’s sort of his job.
As a striker's is to score, but they miss sometimes. A keeper's is to save goals, but they concede etc.
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 12:11:50 PM
Probably not a good omen to drop Mings. DS did this before and was sacked not long after!
Fair point. However, I don't recall Smith publicly criticising his commitment afterwards.
Sometimes you need to have good people skills. Something Gerrard seems to lack somewhat.
Post by: mrfuse on August 07, 2022, 12:13:06 PM
This sounds different to how we were told Mings took the Captaincy change and what his attitude was like.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 12:26:32 PM
I think it's the visible effort that can be seen with the throwing the body on the line and basically making attempts at blocking things.exactly my pointI am sure Mings has saved/prevented far more goals against than he has been directly responsible for giving away.that’s sort of his job.
As a striker's is to score, but they miss sometimes. A keeper's is to save goals, but they concede etc.
Post by: andyh on August 07, 2022, 12:33:17 PM
When interviewed after the game and was asked about Mings, Gerrard's reply was "When Tyrone is back at his best and looks at me in the eye and shows me hes ready to play he'll get opportunities".Did he really say that?
This sounds different to how we were told Mings took the Captaincy change and what his attitude was like.
Bloody hell, that’s effectively questioning the professionalism of one of the most professional of players.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 12:40:12 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 07, 2022, 12:49:57 PM
Maybe that's all bollocks and he just doesn't rate him, but seems to be making a bit of an unnecessary scene where it wasn't needed.
Mings doesn't strike me as the kind of person to sulk and not voice his opinion to Gerrard and look him in the eye, if that's what he's being challenged to do. And if Mings looked Gerrard in the eye, Gerrard would probably shit himself. All very strange.
He might not be a top 6 defender, but neither are any of our others. Too early to say with Carlos.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:50:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 12:52:21 PM
It sounds like Mings has had a sulk. Hopefully the splinters will have rearranged his priorities and his focus will be back for next week.
That's my take on it as well.
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2022, 12:53:51 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
It sounds like Mings has had a sulk. Hopefully the splinters will have rearranged his priorities and his focus will be back for next week.Then something changed from Gerrards comments in the pre match presser.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 07, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
"He's come to see me, he's accepted my decision, he's trained well, that's why he's back in the team" will probably be next weeks line.
Post by: Allan C on August 07, 2022, 01:10:48 PM
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Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
Post by: Nelly on August 07, 2022, 01:38:27 PM
Mings is internationally synonymous amongst racist dickheads now with mistakes
I hope you weren't implying I'm a 'racist dickhead'?
If you like Mings, that's fine but we're allowed to talk about his mistakes/strong points, certainly without being implied to be racist.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 07, 2022, 01:49:52 PM
Implies a requirement for honesty. Mings saying he's fine when he is likely not.
None of us know, it’s just speculation but to my mind if there has been any sort of falling out then it should be kept in house, it’s poor man management to make it a topic for gossip.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 02:25:13 PM
Exactly, SG should not have made those comments publicly.Implies a requirement for honesty. Mings saying he's fine when he is likely not.
None of us know, it’s just speculation but to my mind if there has been any sort of falling out then it should be kept in house, it’s poor man management to make it a topic for gossip.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 07, 2022, 02:35:49 PM
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2022, 03:01:06 PM
Post by: FatSam on August 07, 2022, 03:01:19 PM
It's really not that hard to find a rick from Mings. I'm not saying that Konsa is the answer, but let's not pretend that a whole load of goals didn't come from a Mings fuck up last season.He also had no protection from midfield, which I would argue was far more of an issue than his mistakes.
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:03:21 PM
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
We have competition for places now and someone’s got to be left out. I’m sure Mings will get his chance as will Chambers at some point. I don’t see why everything’s got to be personal when someone’s left out.
It's not his non-selection that is raising eyebrows, it's the stripping of the Captaincy and questioning his attitude in public.
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:52:04 PM
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2022, 03:56:25 PM
I’ve not heard him questioning him in public so I’ll have to look at that one. I also don’t know what goes on behind the scenes either. I’m not defending Gerrard and I agree a coach shouldn’t air any dirty laundry in public. Gerrard does have the right to choose any captain he wants though, I’ve no issue with that at all. I’m sure Mings will show his metal and work his way back into the team.
I'm refering to the "look me in the eye" quote yesterday.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 07, 2022, 04:07:59 PM
Diego Carlos had a baptism of fire yesterday certainly looked like a guy playing his first ever prem game. Took months for Luiz to speed when he arrived, same with Wesley. Unless Mings is leaving, the Carlos signing doesn't make sense to me, he's not a kid he's 29. Keifer Moore roughed him up and so did Bamford in preseason.
Everyone knows Mings is a solid prem player who looks immense for 4 games then makes a massive blooper in the 5th game to wipe out his prior good performances in the minds of some. Smith tried dropping him and now Gerrard, but they still havn't replaced him.
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
Have you got a link to that interview Nev?
I'm not clever enough but if you go Radio WM's twitter feed he's quoted on there.
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 04:53:05 PM
Have you got a link to that interview Nev?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0crkvk0?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Post by: villainabroad on August 07, 2022, 05:01:35 PM
I've only just seen this. I really don't mind if we get rid of Mings and Carlos (with time - though not too much!) steps up and improves on him. But SG talking like that about any of our players would give a bad vibe. About Mings - just dumped from captaincy and dropped, and seemingly a decent bloke, not a Gabby type - it stinks.
'Looks me in the eye' - what the f*ck does that mean? Only when he's 'man enough' to speak to me? Really pathetic to come out with a quote like that.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2022, 05:19:27 PM
Implies a requirement for honesty. Mings saying he's fine when he is likely not.
Bit harsh there. Mings could hardly come out and say he thought being stripped of captaincy was completely the wrong decision otherwise that would disrupt things so he's had to play the PR game which is understandble.
My hunch is Gerrard called Mings out in the dressing room after the Man. City game and he made the decision there and then although he probably should've announced it earlier in the pre season.
I think Mings should be back in for Everton as one thing you do lose is people actually talking in the backline. Konsa too quiet and Diego obviously limited english. Infact from the last six months it's bizarre Chambers is behind Konsa in pecking order as he's been really good in the starts he's had for us.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2022, 05:20:47 PM
Have you got a link to that interview Nev?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0crkvk0?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Thanks. I had only seen the 'looks me in the eye' quote.
'I can assure you that we didn't lose that game because Tyrone Mings wasn't playing' is a shocker. Firstly, it might well have been because Mings tends to clear his lines a lot more effectively than yesterday's defence did for both goals. Second, what a shit thing to say.
That relationship looks broken to me. I hope Mings stays here longer than the manager does. I doubt whether he will though.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2022, 05:26:09 PM
Would we have won yesterday with him in the team? I don’t know, but I think we would have had a better shot at keeping out both their goals.
One of Gerrard’s reasons for changing captain was so Mings could focus on his own game and improve his performances. Today was surely the ideal time to prove that was the right decision. It was a mistake to leave him out.
Tyrone Mings can affect a game positively for us, he’s proven this. Steven Gerrard hasn’t. Let’s see if the man is self-aware enough to make some changes to improve his own performance in time for Everton and if he’s strong enough to admit he made a mistake.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 05:38:36 PM
The treatment of our former captain who's been behind our promotion and recent success is disgusting
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 05:41:26 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 07, 2022, 05:42:19 PM
Watch him start next week and drop a collosal clanger! Should make for fun reading on here 😂
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 06:00:33 PM
I think Tyrone Mings will make a great manager and is a true leader.
The treatment of our former captain who's been behind our promotion and recent success is disgusting
A player has been put on the bench, oh the humanity.
#prayformings
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 06:09:36 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 06:13:27 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2022, 06:15:39 PM
We should be praying not just for Mings but the future of our football club. With Purslow there and with Stevens ego we are in a real bad place. Worse than I expected . Nobody seen yesterday coming the players look demotivated and lostOh god, I’d thought you’d gone to beddy bo byes!
Post by: FrankyH on August 07, 2022, 06:17:57 PM
We should be praying not just for Mings but the future of our football club. With Purslow there and with Stevens ego we are in a real bad place. Worse than I expected . Nobody seen yesterday coming the players look demotivated and lost
Blimey Charlie , that is a dark place !
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 06:27:05 PM
We've made one of the most influential voices on and off the pitch look stupid and it's all down to the management. It's an absolute disgrace
Mings back,el Ghazi on the bench and a major week to buy a proper striker who can find the net
Huge week ahead
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 06:39:18 PM
Mock me all you want but usually I'm right in the end you're just holding on for hope. We lost 2-0 against Bournemouth who could barely put a side out they're so short.
We've made one of the most influential voices on and off the pitch look stupid and it's all down to the management. It's an absolute disgrace
Mings back,el Ghazi on the bench and a major week to buy a proper striker who can find the net
Huge week ahead
Sorry, when were you right?
Post by: villainabroad on August 07, 2022, 06:40:02 PM
I think Tyrone Mings will make a great manager and is a true leader.
The treatment of our former captain who's been behind our promotion and recent success is disgusting
A player has been put on the bench, oh the humanity.
#prayformings
Mings on the bench: fair enough.
I think the point some people are trying to make is: SG is making straightforward decisions (e.g. drop Mings) into something much bigger, treating the player with no respect whatsoever. I find his way of doing it bizarre and pisspoor management at best and damaging to the club at worst. Not good at all.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
Sorry, when were you right?
When he said "mock me all you want".
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2022, 06:46:23 PM
I'm baffled by this approach by the manager. If he doesn't want Mings at the club then put him on the transfer list like any other player. What he has done appears rather spiteful and vindictive and make me think that it's a clash of personalities rather than anything to do with the players ability.Mings is certainly not our best player, but you know what you get with him, he's done a pretty good job at CB with us, has won England caps during his time at Villa and doesn't often let the side down.
Bringing in competition at CB is fine but don't publicly trash someone who's been a stalwart in the squad.
I do think SG has made this personal: there is something about asserting himself above the stronger characters in the squad, and I think it will - unfortunately - result in a high-profile departure. Probably Mings.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2022, 06:51:23 PM
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 07:12:56 PM
We should be praying not just for Mings but the future of our football club. With Purslow there and with Stevens ego we are in a real bad place. Worse than I expected . Nobody seen yesterday coming the players look demotivated and lost
Gaming fish ah? Marlin, stingray? Bit through this piano wire?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2022, 07:36:13 PM
Mock me all you want but usually I'm right in the end you're just holding on for hope. We lost 2-0 against Bournemouth who could barely put a side out they're so short.
We've made one of the most influential voices on and off the pitch look stupid and it's all down to the management. It's an absolute disgrace
Mings back,el Ghazi on the bench and a major week to buy a proper striker who can find the net
Huge week ahead
Sorry, when were you right?
Indeed - also thinking the world has caved in because of one bad result is nuts. El Ghazi has done well for us, but he’s not good enough. Mings again has done very well, but being dropped is not a “disgrace” it’s what happens when you haven’t performed well enough. Not all his fault, but he can be better and I hope he lets it motivate him to be better.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 07, 2022, 07:37:48 PM
Mock me all you want but usually I'm right in the end you're just holding on for hope. We lost 2-0 against Bournemouth who could barely put a side out they're so short.apparently El Ghazi played in the U23 on Friday and just stood there. He has no way back
We've made one of the most influential voices on and off the pitch look stupid and it's all down to the management. It's an absolute disgrace
Mings back,el Ghazi on the bench and a major week to buy a proper striker who can find the net
Huge week ahead
Sorry, when were you right?
Indeed - also thinking the world has caved in because of one bad result is nuts. El Ghazi has done well for us, but he’s not good enough. Mings again has done very well, but being dropped is not a “disgrace” it’s what happens when you haven’t performed well enough. Not all his fault, but he can be better and I hope he lets it motivate him to be better.
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 07, 2022, 07:39:04 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 07:39:49 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2022, 07:44:56 PM
Is Mings good enough to get in a side in the top 7? No
where are we right now?
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 07:46:14 PM
Him and Mings are good mates. Both speak their mind .
Managers don't seem to like it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 07:52:48 PM
Connor Cody Captain of wolves been sent to Everton on loan.
Him and Mings are good mates. Both speak their mind .
Managers don't seem to like it.
I warrant that if Mings plays next week he'll let Coady score one against us just to spite the manager as things have got "personal".
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 08:06:36 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 08:08:31 PM
Connor Cody Captain of wolves been sent to Everton on loan.
Him and Mings are good mates. Both speak their mind .
Managers don't seem to like it.
I guess they'd better retire then. Quite a common thing at football clubs, managers.
Post by: caster troy on August 07, 2022, 08:59:42 PM
is Mings good enough to get in the 14th best team in the league? Yes
Is Mings good enough to get in a side in the top 7? No
where are we right now?
Is that true though? Top 7 last year included Arsenal, United and West Ham and I wouldn’t have been swapping many of their centre backs for Mings. He’s better than Ben White and Maguire for a start.
Mings has always looked rock solid for England, no coincidence that has been with proper protection from the midfield. Maybe given the chance with Kamara in front of him he could be rock solid for us too.
Post by: FatSam on August 07, 2022, 10:16:23 PM
is Mings good enough to get in the 14th best team in the league? YesI just don’t know how you, or anyone else for that matter, can say that definitively. We finished 14th last year with Mings in the side. I don’t think it was Mings alone that was holding us back, but maybe you do?
Is Mings good enough to get in a side in the top 7? No
where are we right now?
We finished 11th the year before with Mings in the side. We had 55 points, which would get you 7th some seasons. I want us to finish in the top 8, ideally in the European places. I just think that if we sorted out the midfield, and played a coherent and effective system, Mings could help us achieve that.
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2022, 11:00:01 PM
Connor Cody Captain of wolves been sent to Everton on loan.
Him and Mings are good mates. Both speak their mind .
Managers don't seem to like it.
The Wolves coach was quoted along the lines of saying Coady was one of the best guys he has met in football but he wants to switch to a back 4. That's a reasonable and respectful approach.
Gerrard is acting like a to$$er.
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2022, 11:02:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2022, 12:16:38 AM
Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2022, 06:02:40 AM
Would not be surprised if another club came in with an offer for him before the end of this transfer window.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 08, 2022, 08:15:40 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2022, 08:46:28 AM
For all his words on twitter about backing McGinn etc.. it was all a load of rubbish and if his attitude is not right then he should not play, it seems that Mings thinks he cannot be dropped
Would not be surprised if another club came in with an offer for him before the end of this transfer window.
What makes you suggest Mings thinks he shouldn't be dropped?
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2022, 08:50:08 AM
Source Daily Telegraph
Headline : Why Steven Gerrard may have blundered by freezing out Tyrone Mings
Manager leaves Mings out for defeat to Bournemouth and says player must 'look me in the eye and shows me he’s ready to play'
In less than three months, Tyrone Mings has lost his place in the England squad, been relieved of the Aston Villa captaincy and now been dropped from the team’s starting XI.
They were decisions that might individually have been understandable but, taken together, would test the confidence of even the most resilient character. It was curious, and questionable, then to hear Steven Gerrard put the onus so firmly back on Mings after a limp opening day defeat in which his team hardly oozed character and leadership (scroll down for match report).
“I think the easy thing to do after defeat is to look at the people who weren’t on the pitch,” said Gerrard, upon being asked about his decision to leave out Mings and pair £26 million new signing Diego Carlos in central defence with Ezri Konsa.
Then came the passage that provoked considerable debate among Aston Villa fans after it was posted by the BBC West Midlands reporter Steve Hermon. “I'm confident and have full belief [that] when Tyrone is back at his best and looks me in the eye and shows me he’s ready to play, he’ll get opportunities,” said Gerrard.
“He's missed some training time with an injury and there's a niggle in the background. That's the challenge I set him when I made the decision over the captaincy. We said to Tyrone, ‘You get back to your consistent best and you'll get back in the team’. We haven't lost the game because Tyrone Mings wasn't playing.”
There were indeed other problems on Saturday – not least the meek attacking contributions of Danny Ings and Philippe Coutinho – but Villa would surely have stood up to Bournemouth’s considerable physical presence rather better with Mings in the team.
He certainly made mistakes in the final months of last season but the wider statistics are also firmly in his favour. In only 12 league matches when Mings has not been in the starting team since he signed in February 2019, Villa have lost eight times and won just twice.
It all points to a wider on-field influence that extends far beyond whatever narrow performance statistics might have been pored over.
Beyond that and Gerrard’s remarks - especially the suggestion to ‘look me in the eye and show he is ready’ - felt surprisingly pointed. Gerrard has previously already said that Mings was “ a little raw” over losing the captaincy to John McGinn and, while we cannot judge what the manager sees in training, he has certainly appeared to take recent decisions like a model professional. Mings sent his England team-mates a good luck message after losing his squad place in May and was similarly gracious after McGinn was confirmed captain last month. “I’ve no issues with the manager’s decision - it will be an honour to play under his [McGinn’s] captaincy,” he wrote.
By all accounts, Mings threw himself into the captaincy role last season and took it upon himself to represent the club at many community events. Part of the rationale for the change, therefore, was to allow him more time to focus on his football.
How the situation now unfolds will be fascinating. Football moves quickly and, while Gerrard’s words seem designed to get a reaction, the immediate aftermath of a disappointing defeat is not always the ideal moment to express exactly what you mean
End of quoted article
Post by: Olof's Beard on August 08, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
As others have said, raw numbers back up his importance to the team. Some fans have long called for him to be left out but we never look comfortable when he is. Neither Carlos nor Konsa are particularly tall either, and we are a small team in general so we are always likely to suffer aerially when he isn't in the team. I think we need him.
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 08:58:39 AM
For all his words on twitter about backing McGinn etc.. it was all a load of rubbish and if his attitude is not right then he should not play, it seems that Mings thinks he cannot be dropped
Would not be surprised if another club came in with an offer for him before the end of this transfer window.
What makes you suggest Mings thinks he shouldn't be dropped?
Well he said so after Smith had dropped him. Said he didn’t agree with it and felt like he’d been made a scapegoat.
Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2022, 09:14:42 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
But Gerrard is perfectly within his rights to change captain and drop him if he feels he needs to. There's a lot of revisionism going on about Mings, who has been particulalry unpopular both on here and elsewhere for many posters.
We defended set peices poorly, that's either down to McPhee or individual errors. But there's a lot more to Saturdays poor perfromance than the dropping of Mings.
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 08, 2022, 10:31:14 AM
For someone who was a relatively late starter due to injuries etc., Mings is an outstanding defender. Yes he makes mistakes, but so do all defenders - his just seem to get highlighted more. If we hadn't signed him when we did then we wouldn't have got promoted and be where we are now, and he deserves a lot more respect than he gets at times. This is why it makes it all the more worrying that our manager is effectively throwing him under the bus. Mings has already done enough to earn our respect and deserve patience - Gerrard hasn't and he seems intent on taking apart a lot of the good things that we have built over the last four years for no good reason that I can see.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 08, 2022, 10:34:53 AM
Post by: Simon Page on August 08, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Mings is no more error prone than any other top centre back. He's imperfect but an international class defender. Whisper it, even McGrath made the odd mistake, and that's before we get on to the assorted Scandi's and Back Four Brick Shitehouses we (me included) have lauded.
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
I think it's just those who don't rate Mings highly point out every error to a degree they wouldn't with players they do rate. That's not a dig at anyone in particular as I've done the same with players I've not been keen on. It's a chosen discourse with some wanting to point out failings and others (like me) over-focusing on his skills.
Mings is no more error prone than any other top centre back. He's imperfect but an international class defender. Whisper it, even McGrath made the odd mistake, and that's before we get on to the assorted Scandi's and Back Four Brick Shitehouses we (me included) have lauded.
I once saw Alan Smith turn McGrath. I think Le Tissier did for one goal as well.
Post by: Simon Page on August 08, 2022, 10:46:51 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on August 08, 2022, 10:51:11 AM
There is a perception amongst other fans that he is clumsy and cumbersome, probably fuelled in part by the disproportionate number of Villa fans who seem to share that view of social media. Even that Darren Farley bloke who does the football impressions videos has a pop at Tyrone every time he does an impression of Gerrard.
It is tricky to know where it has come from. Aside from the truly elite centre halves at Man City and Liverpool, there aren't many better or less error prone in the league.
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 10:52:27 AM
It did happen though, and he was a good player was Smith, better than he's given credit for. Probably one for a new category "Players that didn't play or come close to playing for us, that probably should have"
Post by: Simon Page on August 08, 2022, 10:53:31 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 10:56:18 AM
Man City and Liverpool centre halves do very little defending and it's usually against an attack stretching to get to a rare forward ball. Stick them in our defence and watch the "errors" mount up.
See exhibit A : John Stones
And also his preferred partner for England, Harry Maguire, who was probably thinking when he joined Man Utd he'd be able to put his feet up and boss it, and instead found himself driving the clown car.
Post by: Simon Page on August 08, 2022, 11:01:37 AM
I also agree with Lee B on Alan Smith. Late 80s/early 90s Arsenal specialised in players who were widely considered ordinary but were actually extremely skilful and effective.
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 11:20:09 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 11:20:46 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2022, 11:44:51 AM
Diego Carlos was a key part of the best defence in Europe last season, (other than either Liverpool or Man City), so when he's up to speed I think he'll be excellent. I understand why Gerrard wants to play somebody next to him who's more comfortable on the ball than Mings, whose poor distribution is just as big a problem as his numerous errors. I'd just have gone with Chambers rather than Konsa, who makes lots of errors but isn't as good defensively as Mings.People talk about Mings poor distibuton, but he seems to take on the responsibility whenever he plays. How often did we used to play out through Konsa? Chambers plays a bit more, but still the vast majority of outballs went through Mings. Suggests to me he's probably more accomplished / confident on the ball under pressure than the other two.
Post by: Simon Page on August 08, 2022, 11:46:55 AM
Diego Carlos was a key part of the best defence in Europe last season, (other than either Liverpool or Man City), so when he's up to speed I think he'll be excellent. I understand why Gerrard wants to play somebody next to him who's more comfortable on the ball than Mings, whose poor distribution is just as big a problem as his numerous errors. I'd just have gone with Chambers rather than Konsa, who makes lots of errors but isn't as good defensively as Mings.
We see Mings very differently, with the only certainty being we can't both be right. However, whether he plays Mings or someone else, the proof will be in whether it works. It really didn't on Saturday, hopefully it comes good over the next few games. I do agree Carlos was a good signing.
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2022, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2022, 08:42:16 PM
TalkSport reporting that he's showed up late for training more than once already?if that's true then I back Gerrard - that's not acceptable.
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Man City and Liverpool centre halves do very little defending and it's usually against an attack stretching to get to a rare forward ball. Stick them in our defence and watch the "errors" mount up.
I dont buy that. The way Liverpool play makes VVD often the last man consistently. He's the best in the league at recovery, especially when turned, something Mings can't do.
We don't isolate our centre halves so dramatically like Liverpool do. Allison and VVD are the reason they stepped up. Individual brilliance.
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 10:47:10 PM
TalkSport reporting that he's showed up late for training more than once already?
Where have they said that? If true, then that changes things a bit.
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2022, 11:03:52 PM
TalkSport reporting that he's showed up late for training more than once already?
Where have they said that? If true, then that changes things a bit.
Unless it's Gobby Agbonlahor saying it for effect.
Post by: BC Villain on August 08, 2022, 11:47:03 PM
For someone who was a relatively late starter due to injuries etc., Mings is an outstanding defender. Yes he makes mistakes, but so do all defenders - his just seem to get highlighted more. If we hadn't signed him when we did then we wouldn't have got promoted and be where we are now, and he deserves a lot more respect than he gets at times. This is why it makes it all the more worrying that our manager is effectively throwing him under the bus. Mings has already done enough to earn our respect and deserve patience - Gerrard hasn't and he seems intent on taking apart a lot of the good things that we have built over the last four years for no good reason that I can see.
Not only is he outstanding on the field, he's a model pro and class act off it too. Always conducts himself well, very articulate (and not just on football matters). You never see reports about him rolling round gutters and being a prat like another of our former captains.
Yes he's prone to the odd calamity, but show me a player who isn't.
The whole thing should have been dealt with privately and without fuss. Instead, Gerrard has chosen to blow it out of all proportions.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 12:04:02 AM
It is hard to escape the feeling that for whatever reason, Mings does get scapegoated both for us and for England. As pointed out in various articles, our record when he doesn't play is markedly worse, and England's record when he plays is incredible - something like 2 goals conceded in 16 games.
For someone who was a relatively late starter due to injuries etc., Mings is an outstanding defender. Yes he makes mistakes, but so do all defenders - his just seem to get highlighted more. If we hadn't signed him when we did then we wouldn't have got promoted and be where we are now, and he deserves a lot more respect than he gets at times. This is why it makes it all the more worrying that our manager is effectively throwing him under the bus. Mings has already done enough to earn our respect and deserve patience - Gerrard hasn't and he seems intent on taking apart a lot of the good things that we have built over the last four years for no good reason that I can see.
Agree 100%
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 01:07:45 AM
TalkSport reporting that he's showed up late for training more than once already?
Where have they said that? If true, then that changes things a bit.
Got as far as "TalkSport".
I'll be more interested when it's reported by a more reputable source like The Dandy.
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2022, 01:09:00 AM
The difference is, Captain Can't Handle His Ale, was worth somebody above us (way above us) breaking records for. Mings is not. He's not top half defender, much like a number of our squad aren't top half players.
I'm sure he's a nice fella, I mean, bar an incident of significant snidey behaviour which has marked his cards and he's played a big role in our recent history. He's a decent player. He's just not a top 8/7 centre half. He seems to have his head in a funk, he's not been metaphorically thrown anywhere and we need him back Saturday.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 01:10:14 AM
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2022, 01:15:30 AM
Zat Knight finished top 6 too, for us. He wasn't as good as Cahill, who was getting humped by us at relegation fodder Bolton. Although he did win a European Cup.
I understand the point you're trying to allude to, it's just not a very good one. Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.
People pull that bizarre stat of "we've only won 1 game without him in 3 seasons" and not mention the 18 we lost with him last.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 01:32:00 AM
There are far more players to worry about than Mings if we are going to get where we need to be. Konsa, who was ludicrously picked ahead of him on Saturday, for starters. We seemingly have no intention of signing another centre-half so alienating our best one over the past three and a half seasons is as petty as it is pointless.
The plan is, presumably, that Carlos improves our defence. Stick him alongside Mings and hopefully the plan will work.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 09, 2022, 01:47:37 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 09, 2022, 01:56:59 AM
I'd say that the fact we finished 6th in 2 seasons where Knight and Davies between them made over 70 appearances shows that the other 9 or 10 players play a big role in where you finish. It's why we were for the most part quite shit despite having Benteke, and later Grealish. And why finishing 17th, 11th, 14th doesn't prove whether Mings can play on a regular basis for a side that finishes in the top 10.
Very good point, PWS.
Nonetheless, I can't imagine Zat getting bullied by that Boscombe Bozo.
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2022, 02:03:43 AM
I dont really want to talk about why Man United are so amusingly average, for fear it might jinx it and they realise they have to change.
Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.
Whilst this is probably true, we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.
Post by: Simon Page on August 09, 2022, 08:55:16 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 08:59:29 AM
...we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.
That's the point Mings hasn't been unprofessional.
When he got dropped internationally, he was supportive to the squad. When he lost the captaincy to McGinn again he was supportive. The only person who has been unprofessional in all of this is our manager. He didn't have to answer the question about Mings post match Saturday. He could have said he wanted to focus on the 11 who started the match (+ subs) or even better on his own non-performance as manager, but no he chose to put the focus on someone who didn't even make it on the pitch. Deflect, distract, don't look here look over there tactics. Where have we seen that before and look at how that's worked out.
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 09:00:59 AM
We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.
Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2022, 09:05:34 AM
...we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.
That's the point Mings hasn't been unprofessional.
When he got dropped internationally, he was supportive to the squad. When he lost the captaincy to McGinn again he was supportive. The only person who has been unprofessional in all of this is our manager. He didn't have to answer the question about Mings post match Saturday. He could have said he wanted to focus on the 11 who started the match (+ subs) or even better on his own non-performance as manager, but no he chose to put the focus on someone who didn't even make it on the pitch. Deflect, distract, don't look here look over there tactics. Where have we seen that before and look at how that's worked out.
He’s not been unprofessional that we’re aware of is probably more accurate. But even if he had, I’m not sure what Gerrard gets addressing it publicly in the manner he has.
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
I dont really want to talk about why Man United are so amusingly average, for fear it might jinx it and they realise they have to change.Yes - but the challange we have is we dont look like getting close to the top 8 / 7 based on our performances since we came back up, other than for a 3 month period under smith. On present showing none of the players look capable of being top 8/7 based on their performances for the club
Zat Knight finished top 6 too, for us. He wasn't as good as Cahill, who was getting humped by us at relegation fodder Bolton. Although he did win a European Cup.
I understand the point you're trying to allude to, it's just not a very good one. Mings is not good enough to be our number 1 centre half and for us to get close to the top 8/7.
People pull that bizarre stat of "we've only won 1 game without him in 3 seasons" and not mention the 18 we lost with him last.
Post by: Simon Page on August 09, 2022, 09:12:58 AM
We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.
Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.
Re-read. It's constantly presented as stone cold fact to support an opinion, not the other way round.
Post by: teamvillage on August 09, 2022, 09:13:59 AM
We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.
Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.
We get you don't rate Mings much Ads, but repeatedly stating that he isn't a top 7/8 player or we can't get to that position with him in the side doesn't make it a fact.
Well it's how forums work Simon, people giving their opinions. If it's facts you're after, his birthday is 13 March 1983, and he's from Bath.
Respect to him for still performing at this level aged 39.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2022, 09:17:56 AM
I'd say that the fact we finished 6th in 2 seasons where Knight and Davies between them made over 70 appearances shows that the other 9 or 10 players play a big role in where you finish. It's why we were for the most part quite shit despite having Benteke, and later Grealish. And why finishing 17th, 11th, 14th doesn't prove whether Mings can play on a regular basis for a side that finishes in the top 10.
And given that we've all spent the best part of two seasons bemoaning the absence of a defensive midfield, I daresay the whole defence would have looked a lot more solid, Mings included, had we not been inviting teams to run into the gaping hole right in front of them.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2022, 09:18:38 AM
I hope he pronounces Bath properly and not like it has an "r" in it like some southern ponce.
I put and r in mine lets not be judgemental , but then sometimes I do get tut bus ;D
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:22:29 AM
...we don’t currently have a centre half to play alongside Carlos who is markedly better than Mings and we may struggle to persuade one to join us at present. Maybe the club will pull one out of the bag before the end of the window. But until then, why look to isolate him in the way Gerrard has? And make it personal and make it public? He can still be a positive influence for the team and this situation probably reduces his transfer value as well with other teams seeing that Gerrard doesn’t seem to rate him. Unless Mings has been behaving completely unprofessionally this needless situation has been created unnecessarily by the manager. Being dropped alone (in a World Cup year as well) would probably have been enough to motivate Mings.
That's the point Mings hasn't been unprofessional.
When he got dropped internationally, he was supportive to the squad. When he lost the captaincy to McGinn again he was supportive. The only person who has been unprofessional in all of this is our manager. He didn't have to answer the question about Mings post match Saturday. He could have said he wanted to focus on the 11 who started the match (+ subs) or even better on his own non-performance as manager, but no he chose to put the focus on someone who didn't even make it on the pitch. Deflect, distract, don't look here look over there tactics. Where have we seen that before and look at how that's worked out.
He’s not been unprofessional that we’re aware of is probably more accurate. But even if he had, I’m not sure what Gerrard gets addressing it publicly in the manner he has.
We're not talking about the class of 2016 here, Smith put paid to all that. We're talking about a close knit group of players that includes Mings (but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson) that are being methodically isolated. Clearly there will be things going on behind the scenes that we're not party to, but none of the players quoted have acted unprofessional publicly as far as I'm aware unlike the manager. If he's acting in that way publicly I'd dread to think what he's like behind closed doors.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 09:24:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:28:05 AM
God has spoken.
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
Well said Paul McGrath!
Post by: Villan82 on August 09, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
God has spoken.
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
Disappointed to see a villa fan, judging by their username, retweet the greatest player I have seen wear our colours, and state 'he is pissed again'.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2022, 09:48:24 AM
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 09:59:37 AM
I hope he pronounces Bath properly and not like it has an "r" in it like some southern ponce.
He went to public school, how do you think he pronounces it?! ;)
Post by: jwarry on August 09, 2022, 10:06:43 AM
Mings is nursing a groin injury
And there you have it
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
I hope he pronounces Bath properly and not like it has an "r" in it like some southern ponce.
He went to public school, how do you think he pronounces it?! ;)
I might come round to getting rid of him at this rate. If he starts suggesting we play five at the "barck", he's dead to me.
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
I hope he pronounces Bath properly and not like it has an "r" in it like some southern ponce.
He went to public school, how do you think he pronounces it?! ;)
I might come round to getting rid of him at this rate. If he starts suggesting we play five at the "barck", he's dead to me.
Not being able to pronounce Birmingham is the kicker for me. Not saying he can't, but I have my suspicions.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 10:18:20 AM
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Alan "Birminum" Curbishley still annoys me.
It's probably why he's still out of work.
Post by: DC1874 on August 09, 2022, 10:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2022, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:29:19 AM
100% this...
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
100% posted a few posts above yours.
Post by: darren woolley on August 09, 2022, 10:34:41 AM
100% this...
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
I agree with God.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2022, 10:41:53 AM
God has spoken.
https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=daDS30su14aU6ymccj4Wyg&s=19
He also said we should buy McDonnells Curry Sauce. He was wrong.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 10:43:40 AM
Mings is nursing a groin injury
And there you have it
Ok, so do you now have to 'look the manager in the eye and tell him you're ready to play' once you're over an injury? Seems a strange protocol.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Alan "Birminum" Curbishley still annoys me.
It's probably why he's still out of work.
You can't trust Coventry people either, pronouncing it with a hard "g" so it sounds like Birmin-Gum.
Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle must condemn.
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 11:00:43 AM
Mings is nursing a groin injury
And there you have it
Ok, so do you now have to 'look the manager in the eye and tell him you're ready to play' once you're over an injury? Seems a strange protocol.
I guess that was more to do with Mings having a mard, and being a titty babbie.
Post by: London Villan on August 09, 2022, 11:04:15 AM
Mings to Wolves?
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 11:21:02 AM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 11:23:37 AM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 11:28:23 AM
and then there are the teammates who say things like, there is no way you should be dropped, you are a lot better than ....... and of course you believe them.I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
and then there are the teammates who say things like, there is no way you should be dropped, you are a lot better than ....... and of course you believe them.I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
They were right though, not that I'm bitter or anything.... :)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2022, 12:23:46 PM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
The manager just wanted to go in a less bulbous direction, Lee. That's the modern game for you.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 09, 2022, 12:35:10 PM
All I can now see is a split changing room.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 12:40:53 PM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
The manager just wanted to go in a less bulbous direction, Lee. That's the modern game for you.
I was back from a broken kneecap and had been in a cast for 4 months, anyone is going to be carrying a bit after that. Reinvented myself as a target man and came back stronger though, maybe that's what Tyrone should do
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 09, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
All I can now see is a split changing room.
How so?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2022, 12:56:17 PM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
The manager just wanted to go in a less bulbous direction, Lee. That's the modern game for you.
I was back from a broken kneecap and had been in a cast for 4 months, anyone is going to be carrying a bit after that. Reinvented myself as a target man and came back stronger though, maybe that's what Tyrone should do
Sniper's wet dream.
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
Mings is nursing a groin injury
And there you have it
Ok, so do you now have to 'look the manager in the eye and tell him you're ready to play' once you're over an injury? Seems a strange protocol.
Gerrard probably thinks you should just get on with it, niggle or no. Like he did when he had his hip done.
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2022, 01:06:11 PM
I got dropped a couple of times back in the day and it stung like fuck, I fucking hated it. I wouldn't talk to anyone and felt like every teammate had betrayed me. The ego is a fragile thing.almost impossible not to feel resentful.
I'm generally (I think) a level headed bloke and embrace the team ethic, but yeah, the resentment is hard to swallow down.
The manager just wanted to go in a less bulbous direction, Lee. That's the modern game for you.
Probably took the off-field behavior into consideration. I mean what self-respecting footballer spends his spare time at the caravan?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2022, 01:08:55 PM
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 09, 2022, 03:09:50 PM
The good times, there was a positive vibe in the air . Makes me quite sad watching this. With the journey we've been on from the championship I think fans will back Tyrone over Gerrard every time and I'm expecting his name to be sung by the Holte End on Saturday.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2022, 03:19:47 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/1mt24_uCjoA?feature=share
The good times, there was a positive vibe in the air .
I remember those times, that was before you showed up on here, wasn't it?
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
He should present it to him in a glass frame Saturday morning and promise to not do it again (until we buy someone better).
Mings would probably drop it. :)
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2022, 06:43:59 PM
I think it's just those who don't rate Mings highly point out every error to a degree they wouldn't with players they do rate. That's not a dig at anyone in particular as I've done the same with players I've not been keen on. It's a chosen discourse with some wanting to point out failings and others (like me) over-focusing on his skills.
Mings is no more error prone than any other top centre back. He's imperfect but an international class defender. Whisper it, even McGrath made the odd mistake, and that's before we get on to the assorted Scandi's and Back Four Brick Shitehouses we (me included) have lauded.
Absolutely 100% on the money for me.
The bloke sat behind me last season one game counting out loud every perceived ‘mistake’ by Mings would not have happened with Konsa or Cash even though that same game both made way more errors. Absolute plank of a bloke
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2022, 08:48:33 PM
After training and doing some tactical work behind the scenes with coaches Gerrard should be spending his evenings this week ironing Ming's shirt in preparation for Saturday. He should present it to him in a glass frame Saturday morning and promise to not do it again (until we buy someone better).
Mings still won't shag you.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
After training and doing some tactical work behind the scenes with coaches Gerrard should be spending his evenings this week ironing Ming's shirt in preparation for Saturday. He should present it to him in a glass frame Saturday morning and promise to not do it again (until we buy someone better).
Mings still won't shag you.
I can live with that, but what I won't put up with is Mings not in the first 11. Gerrimin.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2022, 09:08:06 PM
After training and doing some tactical work behind the scenes with coaches Gerrard should be spending his evenings this week ironing Ming's shirt in preparation for Saturday. He should present it to him in a glass frame Saturday morning and promise to not do it again (until we buy someone better).
Mings still won't shag you.
That's for him to decide. For my own part, all I can offer him is the knowledge that I'm a tenacious, discreet, open-minded and game lover who poaches a beautiful egg.
Over to you, Tyrone.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 10, 2022, 03:04:47 AM
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2022, 09:03:05 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 10, 2022, 09:11:14 AM
Perhaps Gerrard felt there was a complacency around Mings and that adding competitiveness to his position would be a catalyst to improve him. I think some old school would term it 'kick up the backside'. I also thinking it's fair to lessen a burden of responsibility on Mings if the coaching staff all feel it's the impact to his performances.
Gerrard surely feels hes acting in the best interests of the team with what he's doing.
Diego Carlos has been scouted and is regarded as an upgrade in a position that SG felt needed to be changed to accommodate the new style of play. Its not the only position.
Bringing in a competitor for Mings can be viewed in the greater scheme of things as the big club and squad theory as necessary to challenge players , in order to provide that motivator for players to step up , not be complacent and improve consistency. It will work for some won't for others
So with such reasoning i'm warming to Gerrard's approach and his plans. Trying to fanthom the logic. I think I'll just be patient in him getting a winning mentality around the players and how it can be achieved with his system and style of play. Gerrard is here to win football matches, and that's all he really wants from all of his players.
SG wants his team to take control of more games, with players understanding their roles and following instructions, but it's been a bit disjointed at times. Implementing the
style and mentality is much easier said than done. And while a season of complete consistency may be beyond us again, better consistency in performance is not, or should not be, as Villa grows.I believe that we will improve.
And once we get some momentum, we'll be flying. There is already enough quality to do so, and more will be added over time. Now it's up to Mings to decide what he is going to do. I suspect he'll move on because SG has made clear indications that he's not interested as him as a straightforward first choice and leader of this team but given him a task to challenge for his place.
That's football though.
Up The Villa!
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 10, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2022, 09:21:58 AM
Not in any of the training photos yesterday.Gerrard did mention an injury and he should be training later in the week I think?
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 10, 2022, 09:45:01 AM
I think Gerrard must have bunged Footy a tenner.Well my narrative has changed as considered a few things from a managers point of view. And SG personality.
I'm all for Gerrard making his tough decisions it shows proper character. So if he thinks we can achieve that with or without Mings or Watkins I have to support that choice.
Now I will wait till the weekend for further comment
Enjoy the English sunshine!
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2022, 10:04:07 AM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 10, 2022, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 10, 2022, 03:07:12 PM
Post by: frank black on August 10, 2022, 03:11:16 PM
If fit then i would play him by moving Carlos (although he hardly set the world alight - especially if you look at the analysis by Holy Trinity of his first header) into Konsa's position. If not fit then bring in Chambers for Konsa
Pretty sure Carlos is a left sided defender and has played there consistently. He’s been signed to replace Ming’s IMO.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 10, 2022, 03:16:03 PM
Rumours that West Ham are considering a bid for Mings....
We paid £20m for him and he'd barely played top flight football. He's had 3 seasons of experience and gained international recognition. I'd be asking for £50m.
Post by: nordenvillain on August 10, 2022, 03:29:47 PM
You might be asking for £50m, but the reality is that Mings is now not a 1st choice CB and, as such, think that his value is lower now than it was only a couple of weeks ago. Plus West Ham pulled out of the deal to sign the midfielder that's now gone to Everton, for 2/3rds of what you're saying we should be asking for Mings, because of his personal terms. I'd be sorry to see Mings go, for all his apparent faults, we're only 1 injury away from a crisis at left sided CB if he goes. I don't see Hause as anywhere near Mings' ability or overall game.Rumours that West Ham are considering a bid for Mings....
We paid £20m for him and he'd barely played top flight football. He's had 3 seasons of experience and gained international recognition. I'd be asking for £50m.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Post by: Dave P on August 10, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2022, 04:01:18 PM
We'd regret letting him go, I'm sure of it.
I agree. You don’t improve a squad by having a 1 in 1 out policy.
Post by: Villan82 on August 10, 2022, 04:01:44 PM
This situation has really turned me off the manager.
Post by: brian green on August 10, 2022, 04:06:56 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2022, 04:19:47 PM
If fit then i would play him by moving Carlos (although he hardly set the world alight - especially if you look at the analysis by Holy Trinity of his first header) into Konsa's position. If not fit then bring in Chambers for Konsa
Pretty sure Carlos is a left sided defender and has played there consistently. He’s been signed to replace Ming’s IMO.
Looked very uncomfortable on his left foot/side v Bournemouth. Tony Gale mentioned it a few times on commentary. To be honest Carlos had an awful game so best scratch any conclusions from it . He is probably an anomaly like John Terry though primarily right footed was most comfortable at LCB. I recall Terry playing RCB for England for one WC next to Matt Upson and he seemed like he was pissed he was so bad.
Post by: Olof's Beard on August 10, 2022, 05:20:25 PM
He should have made the announcement much earlier in the summer.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2022, 05:21:06 PM
If we allow Gerrard to bounce Tyrone out of the door I shall not be using my season ticket much, if at all, in the upcoming season.
Agreed, that guy has taken an unbelievable amount of unjustified flak from fans over the last few years (*mainly caused by the shortcomings of the team around him), yet has always remained the model pro.
Compare to his international performances, where he has barely put a foot wrong - I think we'd see a different player with PROPER midfield protection. If we manage to withstand bids this window, he'll be back in the team before you know it, as Gerrard should have been asked to empty his desk before the next window (*if our owners have anything about them!).
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2022, 05:26:27 PM
It is all so daft. Whether it truly reflects what is happening behind the scenes or not, Gerrard's decision to change the Captain a few days before the season, drop the previous one and then make so comments which were at best clumsily worded have created an atmosphere of negativity around the club. It is all a huge distraction and poor management, whatever the intention.
He should have made the announcement much earlier in the summer.
Yeah, its a weird one. Mings captained us throughout our pre-season in Australia, and a week later loses the armband and isn't even a vice-captain. However, Diego Carlos is appointed vice captain and we barely know the guy.
Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2022, 05:31:32 PM
It is all so daft. Whether it truly reflects what is happening behind the scenes or not, Gerrard's decision to change the Captain a few days before the season, drop the previous one and then make so comments which were at best clumsily worded have created an atmosphere of negativity around the club. It is all a huge distraction and poor management, whatever the intention.
He should have made the announcement much earlier in the summer.
Yeah, its a weird one. Mings captained us throughout our pre-season in Australia, and a week later loses the armband and isn't even a vice-captain. However, Diego Carlos is appointed vice captain and we barely know the guy.
Yep. I haven't got a problem with him dropping Mings, he's the manager and it's his call. Giving Carlos one of the vice captaincies over him though is just a shit thing to do.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2022, 05:41:11 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 10, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Post by: brian green on August 10, 2022, 05:48:28 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 10, 2022, 06:06:30 PM
I think it stupid we have 1 x Captain, 1 x Club Captain and 2 x Vice Captain. Why so many. And also no of them seem to be leaders.It is all so daft. Whether it truly reflects what is happening behind the scenes or not, Gerrard's decision to change the Captain a few days before the season, drop the previous one and then make so comments which were at best clumsily worded have created an atmosphere of negativity around the club. It is all a huge distraction and poor management, whatever the intention.
He should have made the announcement much earlier in the summer.
Yeah, its a weird one. Mings captained us throughout our pre-season in Australia, and a week later loses the armband and isn't even a vice-captain. However, Diego Carlos is appointed vice captain and we barely know the guy.
I think Smith had a "Players Committee", which were "senior" players - which I kind of get, but having nearly half a team as some sort of captain seems strange
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2022, 06:11:03 PM
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2022, 06:21:19 PM
Again, so much extrapolation from so little. The need to feed the negative borders on hysteria.
What do you mean?
Its a pretty big call for SG to strip him of the armband, knock him down a few pegs on the leadership ladder and put him on the bench. I don't think anyone is feeding into the negativity. I just think people are concerned that this self-inflicted wound will cause inner turmoil and set the season out on the wrong foot.
Post by: ez on August 10, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
We'd regret letting him go, I'm sure of it.
Agree. I reckon Gerrard needs Mings more than Mings needs Gerrard.
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
Again, so much extrapolation from so little. The need to feed the negative borders on hysteria.
What do you mean?
Its a pretty big call for SG to strip him of the armband, knock him down a few pegs on the leadership ladder and put him on the bench. I don't think anyone is feeding into the negativity. I just think people are concerned that this self-inflicted wound will cause inner turmoil and set the season out on the wrong foot.
The over analysis of an injured player not being up to playing perhaps physically or mentally at the weekend and a throw away line, is bewildering. The negativity on this site is rampant.
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2022, 06:30:44 PM
Again, so much extrapolation from so little. The need to feed the negative borders on hysteria.
What do you mean?
Its a pretty big call for SG to strip him of the armband, knock him down a few pegs on the leadership ladder and put him on the bench. I don't think anyone is feeding into the negativity. I just think people are concerned that this self-inflicted wound will cause inner turmoil and set the season out on the wrong foot.
The over analysis of an injured player not being up to playing perhaps physically or mentally at the weekend and a throw away line, is bewildering. The negativity on this site is rampant.
The injury was only announced yesterday, and he was fit enough to be on the bench for Saturday's match..?
I don't see the same negativity. If anything, the negativity around his performances was more prevalent than what's going on now.
Post by: brian green on August 10, 2022, 06:31:53 PM
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2022, 06:44:13 PM
Again, so much extrapolation from so little. The need to feed the negative borders on hysteria.
What do you mean?
Its a pretty big call for SG to strip him of the armband, knock him down a few pegs on the leadership ladder and put him on the bench. I don't think anyone is feeding into the negativity. I just think people are concerned that this self-inflicted wound will cause inner turmoil and set the season out on the wrong foot.
The over analysis of an injured player not being up to playing perhaps physically or mentally at the weekend and a throw away line, is bewildering. The negativity on this site is rampant.
The injury was only announced yesterday, and he was fit enough to be on the bench for Saturday's match..?
I don't see the same negativity. If anything, the negativity around his performances was more prevalent than what's going on now.
No, he had a knock before the Bournemouth game too.
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2022, 07:01:04 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2022, 07:09:29 PM
We’ve played one game, Mings was carrying an injury, and all of a sudden he’s seen as no longer being a first choice CB and his transfer value is spiralling downwards?! I know as football fans we all crave information, but some of the over exaggerated crap (or some would argue as being “opinions”) I’ve been reading on here lately is getting ridiculous.
The anger and hysteria on here can be way over the top (on the match thread especially) but in this case, I thinks it more to with the captaincy marlarkey than him being dropped.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
We’ve played one game, Mings was carrying an injury, and all of a sudden he’s seen as no longer being a first choice CB and his transfer value is spiralling downwards?! I know as football fans we all crave information, but some of the over exaggerated crap (or some would argue as being “opinions”) I’ve been reading on here lately is getting ridiculous.
The anger and hysteria on here can be way over the top (on the match thread especially) but in this case, I thinks it more to with the captaincy marlarkey than him being dropped.
It was the “look me in the eye” comment that I think made it something more. Perhaps it was taken out of context but when a team has just lost in poor style to relegation favourites on top of a poor run of results last season then he has not exactly got a deep well of goodwill to draw on.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 10, 2022, 09:13:53 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 10, 2022, 09:25:22 PM
Another dimension to this (lets say) unfortunate set of circumstances is the forthcoming World Cup. As things were shaping up, Mings had every chance to go into the first few months of this league season motivated to be at his absolute best, competing against any number of other potential England centre backs, such as Maguire, Stones, Coady, Dier, White, none of whom are exactly all that great, and others whose name I can't bring to mind, to make the World Cup squad. When picked for England, Mings has never let England down, or looked out of place, and his performances over these first few months of this season were always going to be critical to his ambitions to play in a World Cup finals. In such circumstances, one would have expected Mings to have wanted to stretch every sinew to show everyone 'the best version of himself.' As it is, by stripping him of the captaincy, dropping him from the starting 11, and then insinuating issues around Mings's character, Gerrard has well and truly fucked him over; ultimately to the team's/club's detriment, as well as the player's.
Rightly or wrongly Mings was dropped from the England squad before any of this happened at the Villa, Southgate has prioritised 4 or 5 ahead of him. So i dont think Gerrard has fucked him over in terms of the world cup at all. If Mings comes back from injury, is up for it, he’ll be picked for Villa, he needs then play brilliantly for us to give Southgate a decision.
I really like Tyrone, but im in the everything since last Saturday has been way OTT, the criticism of Gerrard, the virtual writing off, of the season, threatening not to use a season ticket if Mings is binned off.
Its all gone a bit nuts after one game, i honestly am struggling to get it.
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2022, 10:44:46 PM
I do think the “look me in the eye” comment has been taken literally and out of context. It was just an anecdote and all SG means is that he wants TM to show him in training that he’s fit, focused, hungry and in good form. We have all berated TM for his regular mistakes and lapses of concentration, and we’ll all be better off with the best version of himself back in the team…there’s no need for any weird staring out contest.We’ve played one game, Mings was carrying an injury, and all of a sudden he’s seen as no longer being a first choice CB and his transfer value is spiralling downwards?! I know as football fans we all crave information, but some of the over exaggerated crap (or some would argue as being “opinions”) I’ve been reading on here lately is getting ridiculous.
The anger and hysteria on here can be way over the top (on the match thread especially) but in this case, I thinks it more to with the captaincy marlarkey than him being dropped.
It was the “look me in the eye” comment that I think made it something more. Perhaps it was taken out of context but when a team has just lost in poor style to relegation favourites on top of a poor run of results last season then he has not exactly got a deep well of goodwill to draw on.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2022, 10:59:11 PM
I do think the “look me in the eye” comment has been taken literally and out of context. It was just an anecdote and all SG means is that he wants TM to show him in training that he’s fit, focused, hungry and in good form. We have all berated TM for his regular mistakes and lapses of concentration, and we’ll all be better off with the best version of himself back in the team…there’s no need for any weird staring out contest.We’ve played one game, Mings was carrying an injury, and all of a sudden he’s seen as no longer being a first choice CB and his transfer value is spiralling downwards?! I know as football fans we all crave information, but some of the over exaggerated crap (or some would argue as being “opinions”) I’ve been reading on here lately is getting ridiculous.
The anger and hysteria on here can be way over the top (on the match thread especially) but in this case, I thinks it more to with the captaincy marlarkey than him being dropped.
It was the “look me in the eye” comment that I think made it something more. Perhaps it was taken out of context but when a team has just lost in poor style to relegation favourites on top of a poor run of results last season then he has not exactly got a deep well of goodwill to draw on.
Please, no.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2022, 11:06:38 PM
It’s just something you do not do.
Post by: KevinGage on August 10, 2022, 11:14:56 PM
I think it stupid we have 1 x Captain, 1 x Club Captain and 2 x Vice Captain. Why so many. And also no of them seem to be leaders.It is all so daft. Whether it truly reflects what is happening behind the scenes or not, Gerrard's decision to change the Captain a few days before the season, drop the previous one and then make so comments which were at best clumsily worded have created an atmosphere of negativity around the club. It is all a huge distraction and poor management, whatever the intention.
He should have made the announcement much earlier in the summer.
Yeah, its a weird one. Mings captained us throughout our pre-season in Australia, and a week later loses the armband and isn't even a vice-captain. However, Diego Carlos is appointed vice captain and we barely know the guy.
I think Smith had a "Players Committee", which were "senior" players - which I kind of get, but having nearly half a team as some sort of captain seems strange
Generally that sort of thing doesn't even need to be assigned.
Good teams will have at least three>four candidates for the captaincy. The actual arm band doesn't matter if you have that sort of leadership throughout the group. Think how much the club progressed when we had the likes of Chester, Terry, Jedinak and Hourihane instead of Gabby, Westwood and Micah F Richards.
Fine that SG has his own ideas as to who would make the best captain. But if he'd gone the route of saying Martinez, Mings and McGinn are all leaders and will have a key role pushing the club forward we wouldn't be hearing this sort of noise now.
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2022, 09:24:14 AM
Talking about a player in the media is the equivalent of bollocking an employee in front of his colleagues.
It’s just something you do not do.
It's been so specific as well, to one player out of the group.
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 11, 2022, 04:02:27 PM
Post by: Rigadon on August 11, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
Post by: KevinGage on August 11, 2022, 11:09:29 PM
Another school of thought is that a CB @ 29 is approaching the prime years of his career.
Better he spends those with us.
Post by: sid1964 on August 12, 2022, 07:53:43 AM
When Steve gets the sack does the next manager have to be told at interview by Purslow that he has to make Tyrone captain and play him every game? , because it will upset Tyrone if he is not the main man at the club or will he be allowed to make his own decisions on who plays and leaves our club?
Post by: Nev on August 12, 2022, 08:33:55 AM
I'm at a loss to understand that if Gerrard doesn't fancy him he doesn't just do what the Wolves manager has done, make it known he's available and if a suitable offer comes in then he can leave. But, if he does really well elsewhere, the manager may look a bit of a plum so if he engineers an argument then he can fall back on the "he left because of his attitude, not ability" therefore exonerating the manager of any misjudgement. This could apply at any club to be honest and is a wild theory rather than considered opinion.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 12, 2022, 09:01:27 AM
We will be lucky to get £25 million for Tyrone - West Ham may be interested in him on a season loan with an option to buy.
When Steve gets the sack does the next manager have to be told at interview by Purslow that he has to make Tyrone captain and play him every game? , because it will upset Tyrone if he is not the main man at the club or will he be allowed to make his own decisions on who plays and leaves our club?
Oh dear!
Why don't you have another attempt at editing that!
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 12, 2022, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: Rigadon on August 12, 2022, 09:12:19 AM
McGinn leaving would possibly come back to haunt us, but I suppose the bottom line is that I wouldn't be distraught if any of those players left the club tomorrow.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 12, 2022, 09:15:48 AM
Most of us have wondered if our spine (Martinez aside) is good really enough to push past midtable. I'm talking about Mings, Luiz/McGinn, Watkins/Ings. All of them would get a game at other premier league clubs, but not regularly at a 'top 6' club. So, there it is really. Whether Gerrard would buy better players is disputable, whether he could make those players into a proper team is (I'm afraid to say at this point as I like the cut of his jib) unlikely.
McGinn leaving would possibly come back to haunt us, but I suppose the bottom line is that I wouldn't be distraught if any of those players left the club tomorrow.
Your perfectly right on paper but look at the likes of Forest, Leicester, Blackburn, Leeds all won the league with bang average players
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2022, 09:27:55 AM
Most of us have wondered if our spine (Martinez aside) is good really enough to push past midtable. I'm talking about Mings, Luiz/McGinn, Watkins/Ings. All of them would get a game at other premier league clubs, but not regularly at a 'top 6' club. So, there it is really. Whether Gerrard would buy better players is disputable, whether he could make those players into a proper team is (I'm afraid to say at this point as I like the cut of his jib) unlikely.
McGinn leaving would possibly come back to haunt us, but I suppose the bottom line is that I wouldn't be distraught if any of those players left the club tomorrow.
Your perfectly right on paper but look at the likes of Forest, Leicester, Blackburn, Leeds all won the league with bang average players
Well Leeds and Forest was a lifetime ago, and so not comparable at all. In Leciester's case, they probably had the League's three best players that season, in Vardy, Mahrez and Kante, two of whom have gone on to win loads of stuff at Man City and Chelsea.
Post by: sid1964 on August 12, 2022, 09:44:16 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 12, 2022, 10:11:18 AM
I realise that ABBEYFEALEAVFC is the font of all knowledge with regards to Aston Villa
Thanks mate, but I'm not and have never claimed to be.
I like your uses of capitalisation and the word font. Nice touch.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 12, 2022, 12:33:39 PM
The whole situation might be manufactured because the club see him as someone who they can get a big fee for who is at an age where he won't improve that much so happy to move him on and he's ok to go and grab the last big contract of his career. Perhaps just a divorce of convenience? Selling Mings for 40m and signing Carlos for 20m the board will be very happy?
The Gerrard falling out business could just be theatre for the man on the terraces. Mings keeps the respect of the fans as he didn't force a move and Gerrard looks like the I'm ruthless and make hard decisions main man for having the balls to axe a senior player.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 12, 2022, 08:37:35 PM
Blackburn, average when they won the title? They'd gone close twice before in the two previous seasons (so no fluke there) and had the absolute goal-machines (and subsequent media personality-voids) in SAS.
Yep, the year we came runners under BFR, Blackburn were also likely contenders until Shearer got a bad injury.
Post by: BC Villain on August 12, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
GRAEME SOUNESS: Tyrone Mings has never achieved anything... but has a hell of a lot to say
GRAEME SOUNESS
AUGUST 12, 2022
I WON'T be joining the love-in for Tyrone Mings, the man Steven Gerrard has stripped of the Aston Villa captaincy in a move which, summed up in one sentence, says: ‘I just don’t fancy you.’
Mings is ‘well-loved in the dressing room’, apparently. Well, when he appeared a couple of times on Zoom for shows we were doing on Sky Sports during lockdown, I thought: ‘For a young man who’s not achieved anything in the game you’ve a hell of a lot to say.’
He’d been talking about how footballers were viewed as ‘commodities’ at the time and I asked him if he didn’t think players were incredibly fortunate to be doing their job. He had an answer for me, of course, but that encounter told me a lot.
As captain of Liverpool at 30 years old, having won a great deal and captained my country, I could not have offered up an opinion in a team meeting. And if I had, there would have been Joe Fagan and Ronnie Moran shaking their heads and Bob Paisley pretending he didn’t hear me.
Mings is talking a good game without achieving anything and I include in that assessment some of his 1 v 1 contests against some of the Premier League’s stronger strikers. It wasn’t even a contest when he went up against Romelu Lukaku when Chelsea were at Villa Park last Christmas.
Post by: LeonW on August 12, 2022, 10:30:46 PM
Wow. What an utter snob
GRAEME SOUNESS: Tyrone Mings has never achieved anything... but has a hell of a lot to say
GRAEME SOUNESS
AUGUST 12, 2022
I WON'T be joining the love-in for Tyrone Mings, the man Steven Gerrard has stripped of the Aston Villa captaincy in a move which, summed up in one sentence, says: ‘I just don’t fancy you.’
Mings is ‘well-loved in the dressing room’, apparently. Well, when he appeared a couple of times on Zoom for shows we were doing on Sky Sports during lockdown, I thought: ‘For a young man who’s not achieved anything in the game you’ve a hell of a lot to say.’
He’d been talking about how footballers were viewed as ‘commodities’ at the time and I asked him if he didn’t think players were incredibly fortunate to be doing their job. He had an answer for me, of course, but that encounter told me a lot.
As captain of Liverpool at 30 years old, having won a great deal and captained my country, I could not have offered up an opinion in a team meeting. And if I had, there would have been Joe Fagan and Ronnie Moran shaking their heads and Bob Paisley pretending he didn’t hear me.
Mings is talking a good game without achieving anything and I include in that assessment some of his 1 v 1 contests against some of the Premier League’s stronger strikers. It wasn’t even a contest when he went up against Romelu Lukaku when Chelsea were at Villa Park last Christmas.
There’s a reason why Souness is a former manager. This is just the typical clickbait / get attention strategy that has become the hallmark of CloudTV. Wouldn’t bother letting it irritate you. It’s not serious coverage.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 12, 2022, 10:39:40 PM
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2022, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Post by: LeonW on August 12, 2022, 11:03:54 PM
That sort of petty criticism (I mean Lukaku did murder him in both games, but shush) would irritate the life out of me and get me extra motivated.
How would you ‘pin’ stuff up on the dressing room wall these days?
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 07:39:36 AM
Gramme Souness bitching about Tyrone Mings is like Rick Astley complaining about Ed Sheeran's music, someone who was successful in the 80s but who is a complete irrelevance now. Also for someone who lived in or around Liverpool for a long period in the 1980s I'm not sure how he can be a self confessed Tory.
And he had the cheek to agree to be in an episode of boys from the blackstuff knowing he was a Tory, twat.
Post by: Nev on August 13, 2022, 07:44:03 AM
We all know what "he's got a lot to say" means don't we?
Fucking ******.
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2022, 08:02:00 AM
I dont want to defend Sourness (that's not a typo). Maybe he did mean what you're thinking. But he comes across to me like a bitter, old twat, who is jealous of the modern player in much of everything he says. His "I was 30 and captain and I couldn't say shit" is telling. He's jealous of the fame and wealth that, let's be honest, less talented players than he was (give the old thug his due) have. He doesn't think Mings is good enough to have the platform he has, because he's not as good as Souness. He also chats shite generally, 7-2 and he's blaming the grass, the massive whopper. He might be a racist, he's definitely a twat. I hope Mings scores a hatrick and celebrates by hiding in the long, lush, turf of Villa Park.
Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2022, 08:02:17 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2022, 08:27:32 AM
What a twat.
Post by: wince on August 13, 2022, 08:46:39 AM
These old dinosaurs go on about others having too much to say but by god they are full of eggy smelling gases.
I hope we keep Mings the merciless as he is a decent bloke and fantastic for us
Post by: simboy on August 13, 2022, 09:06:22 AM
Talk about The Premiership eating itself
I do think there’s a rather insidious underlying theme here as others have said.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 09:06:24 AM
I think it means you're all so saturated in American Culture Wars and the unhealed post 1865 schism, that you're willing to extrapolate an American white supremacist trope and drop it into Souness thoughts. We don't have the same racism the US has. We don't have white supremacist institutions that de facto replaced slavery to ensure the slaveocray remained more or less extant. We didn't have slaves picking cotton on plantations pre 1860s. We didn't/don't have chain gangs doing the same thing in state penitentiaries like Angola (of True Detective s1 fame) or other prisons in the south, with inmates >95% black. We didn't have a post war white supremacist insurgency with the KKK paramilitaries, made up of every elememt of society. We didnt have collusion with the Police and these paramilitaries. We didn't have mainstream culture like Birth of a Nation or Gone With the Wind reinvigorate the myths of the Confederacy. Racism in the UK and Western Europe does not have that same sort of history as it does in the US. England and the UK was not a land built on a Puritan genocide either. They're unique. Our ills are largely xenophobic. Its different, so the language and culture of it is too, you can't ignore history.
I dont want to defend Sourness (that's not a typo). Maybe he did mean what you're thinking. But he comes across to me like a bitter, old twat, who is jealous of the modern player in much of everything he says. His "I was 30 and captain and I couldn't say shit" is telling. He's jealous of the fame and wealth that, let's be honest, less talented players than he was (give the old thug his due) have. He doesn't think Mings is good enough to have the platform he has, because he's not as good as Souness. He also chats shite generally, 7-2 and he's blaming the grass, the massive whopper. He might be a racist, he's definitely a twat. I hope Mings scores a hatrick and celebrates by hiding in the long, lush, turf of Villa Park.
Whether Souness comments were built on racism or not, this is a whole pandoras box Ads. Completely agree that modern America and all its current problems bleed out from its very foundations and beginnings and that racism in this country is different and built on a differing historical perspective. However, i think we need the ability to walk in a black persons shoes before we start assuming racism in this country is one thing or another. Colleague and friend of mine of West Indian heritage, strong, intelligent black women in her late 50s, gets her stuff searched every single time she goes through airport security. Ive stood in a packed train with her back from London, where several people offered to move bags to let me sit down during the course of the journey, not one person offered her a seat, ive seen this with my own eyes. Ive seen middle aged white men at work feel they have the right to talk about her hair and touch her dreadlocks. Ultimately Souness may just be a bitter old Tory twat and theres a lot of truth to what you say, but racism is subtle and mentioning Mings hasnt earned the right to speak or whatever the phrase was makes me feel really uncomfortable.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 13, 2022, 09:11:05 AM
I think it means you're all so saturated in American Culture Wars and the unhealed post 1865 schism, that you're willing to extrapolate an American white supremacist trope and drop it into Souness thoughts. We don't have the same racism the US has. We don't have white supremacist institutions that de facto replaced slavery to ensure the slaveocray remained more or less extant. We didn't have slaves picking cotton on plantations pre 1860s. We didn't/don't have chain gangs doing the same thing in state penitentiaries like Angola (of True Detective s1 fame) or other prisons in the south, with inmates >95% black. We didn't have a post war white supremacist insurgency with the KKK paramilitaries, made up of every elememt of society. We didnt have collusion with the Police and these paramilitaries. We didn't have mainstream culture like Birth of a Nation or Gone With the Wind reinvigorate the myths of the Confederacy. Racism in the UK and Western Europe does not have that same sort of history as it does in the US. England and the UK was not a land built on a Puritan genocide either. They're unique. Our ills are largely xenophobic. Its different, so the language and culture of it is too, you can't ignore history.Well said Ads.
I dont want to defend Sourness (that's not a typo). Maybe he did mean what you're thinking. But he comes across to me like a bitter, old twat, who is jealous of the modern player in much of everything he says. His "I was 30 and captain and I couldn't say shit" is telling. He's jealous of the fame and wealth that, let's be honest, less talented players than he was (give the old thug his due) have. He doesn't think Mings is good enough to have the platform he has, because he's not as good as Souness. He also chats shite generally, 7-2 and he's blaming the grass, the massive whopper. He might be a racist, he's definitely a twat. I hope Mings scores a hatrick and celebrates by hiding in the long, lush, turf of Villa Park.
Post by: Villan82 on August 13, 2022, 09:39:43 AM
I think it means you're all so saturated in American Culture Wars and the unhealed post 1865 schism, that you're willing to extrapolate an American white supremacist trope and drop it into Souness thoughts. We don't have the same racism the US has. We don't have white supremacist institutions that de facto replaced slavery to ensure the slaveocray remained more or less extant. We didn't have slaves picking cotton on plantations pre 1860s. We didn't/don't have chain gangs doing the same thing in state penitentiaries like Angola (of True Detective s1 fame) or other prisons in the south, with inmates >95% black. We didn't have a post war white supremacist insurgency with the KKK paramilitaries, made up of every elememt of society. We didnt have collusion with the Police and these paramilitaries. We didn't have mainstream culture like Birth of a Nation or Gone With the Wind reinvigorate the myths of the Confederacy. Racism in the UK and Western Europe does not have that same sort of history as it does in the US. England and the UK was not a land built on a Puritan genocide either. They're unique. Our ills are largely xenophobic. Its different, so the language and culture of it is too, you can't ignore history.Well said Ads.
I dont want to defend Sourness (that's not a typo). Maybe he did mean what you're thinking. But he comes across to me like a bitter, old twat, who is jealous of the modern player in much of everything he says. His "I was 30 and captain and I couldn't say shit" is telling. He's jealous of the fame and wealth that, let's be honest, less talented players than he was (give the old thug his due) have. He doesn't think Mings is good enough to have the platform he has, because he's not as good as Souness. He also chats shite generally, 7-2 and he's blaming the grass, the massive whopper. He might be a racist, he's definitely a twat. I hope Mings scores a hatrick and celebrates by hiding in the long, lush, turf of Villa Park.
Some interesting points but all a little too sweeping for me in relation to the ex-Rangers man and aspects of the Tory right.
Xenophobia in this part of the world was directed at anybody who wasn't like the establishment, anybody who had a mind of their own, and didn't except their place in the pecking order. We have seen it all too often leading up to, and since, the Brexit vote. Especially, through the centuries, the non-conformists. Puritan massacres did happen in Ireland, in town after town. And within most of our lifetimes there was collusion of the state's forces with loyalist paramilitaries.
Post by: colin69 on August 13, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
The blokes a total irrelevance and likes to stir things up, a bit like Roy Keane.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
Souness was good at kicking people as a player and was good as manager of Rangers but crap everywhere else, (hope Gerrard is not following the same path).
The blokes a total irrelevance and likes to stir things up, a bit like Roy Keane.
He's still regarded here as the most tactically inept manager ever to coach Benfica. For liable reasons, the less said about his strange transfer dealings the better. I like Roy Keane. Souness is a twat. Probably a racist twat at that.
Post by: FrankyH on August 13, 2022, 11:10:12 AM
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 12:58:50 PM
The game has moved on from those halcyon days. Something Souness seems to struggle with.
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
iPad attached to locker door?That sort of petty criticism (I mean Lukaku did murder him in both games, but shush) would irritate the life out of me and get me extra motivated.
How would you ‘pin’ stuff up on the dressing room wall these days?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2022, 02:40:29 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 13, 2022, 02:41:41 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 13, 2022, 02:42:21 PM
Pleased for Tyrone. Thought he was all action today, which is when he's at his best.
Post by: steamer on August 13, 2022, 02:42:49 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 13, 2022, 02:48:18 PM
Not sure about flawless
You’re right, I just remembered the sliced clearance. He had a very good game though.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2022, 02:54:32 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on August 13, 2022, 02:56:03 PM
Not sure about flawless
You’re right, I just remembered the sliced clearance. He had a very good game though.
Sliced maybe. But
a) he didn't piss about trying to play it out
b) he cleared the ball
c) it wasn't an OG
Job done.
Post by: KRS on August 13, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2022, 03:37:32 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2022, 03:42:46 PM
Big hug from Gerrard at the end.What aftershave does he wear Martin?
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2022, 04:01:59 PM
Gerrard- Drakkar Noir
Post by: CT Villan on August 13, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2022, 04:16:24 PM
Re. Souness, a key point is Souness opens his mouth for money, Tyrone speaks from his heart and is guided solely by his beliefs.
I don't know, I reckon it's quite possible that Souness actually holds a load of shit-for-brains Tory views quite genuinely without someone needing to pay him for them.
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2022, 04:44:56 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2022, 04:49:30 PM
Big hug from Gerrard at the end.What aftershave does he wear Martin?
Sex Panther.
Post by: four fornicholl on August 13, 2022, 04:50:06 PM
The only interesting thing about Souness is that he looked like Yosser Hughes.😂👍I actually watched that episode last night.
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2022, 06:42:56 PM
Souness is a shitter, uglier, less funny Roy Keane. If he hadn't gone into football, he would've been a bailiff.
Great Post. As an aside, I spent an afternoon at Solihull Library in my late teens using some software that could 'help' identify career paths based on my input. The only option that came out after 3 runs was bailiff.
Post by: Mellin on August 13, 2022, 06:50:57 PM
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
Souness is a shitter, uglier, less funny Roy Keane. If he hadn't gone into football, he would've been a bailiff.
Great Post. As an aside, I spent an afternoon at Solihull Library in my late teens using some software that could 'help' identify career paths based on my input. The only option that came out after 3 runs was bailiff.
I did one of those at school and got forklift driver.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
I saw a determined defender who was dependable and focused on his role, as well as someone who continues to communicate and provide the thou shalt not pass attitude, as well as someone with excellent heading and blocking ability.
A good person, and it's great to see him seize his opportunity.
Considering Carlos's injury, he may have an extended run in the team now.
The amount of pressure and scrutiny Mings been under its admirable how well he's coped.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 09:06:16 AM
Yes flawless with his left foot . Slice was right footed so we can let him off as resultant corner was comfortably caught by MartinezNot sure about flawless
You’re right, I just remembered the sliced clearance. He had a very good game though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
He was his usual self. Missed a header that nearly led to a goal for them, but aside from that he was either fine or making goal-saving, last-ditch interventions. Didn't hoof it quite as often as he normally does, either. Probably because Kamara provides a dependable option for the short ball.
Also no barnstormers or maurad up the field.
Maybe in part due to being ahead and never behind in match so didn't take upon himself to do so.
Post by: LeonW on August 14, 2022, 09:08:12 AM
iPad attached to locker door?That sort of petty criticism (I mean Lukaku did murder him in both games, but shush) would irritate the life out of me and get me extra motivated.
How would you ‘pin’ stuff up on the dressing room wall these days?
I was wondering. Maybe a rotating presentation of quotes from different people in the media of that week.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
Can the Souness quote be boiled down to “I was interviewing a footballer and he relied”. If you don’t want to hear his opinion don’t ask questions!
What a twat.
iPad attached to locker door?That sort of petty criticism (I mean Lukaku did murder him in both games, but shush) would irritate the life out of me and get me extra motivated.
How would you ‘pin’ stuff up on the dressing room wall these days?
I was wondering. Maybe a rotating presentation of quotes from different people in the media of that week.
Mings in reply to Souness : "What a weird article. That zoom call I was invited on was 2 years ago & he said nothing to me at the time, now wants to drag me into his pointless column. Btw, I’ve achieved plenty from where I started. happy to chat things through if you ever need me."
Source Mings official Twitter
Class by Ty.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 14, 2022, 09:14:41 AM
Considering its fair game to point out every error he makes we could analyse his incorrect use of sweatbands as he tends to use one more than the other.
Poor show I'd say.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2022, 11:19:30 AM
Mings - Kouros
Gerrard- Drakkar Noir
Gerrard - Invictus Victory
Mings - Anything by Creed
The only question now is whether some Villa fans will persist with wearing Obsession.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 14, 2022, 11:33:14 AM
Post by: Beard82 on August 14, 2022, 11:37:17 AM
Football, as ever, is a reflection on society
Souness is a cock
Post by: Rigadon on August 14, 2022, 11:39:19 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 01:05:48 PM
It would be great if we could have this for him so could anyone clarify thank you please.
Post by: Nev on August 14, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
I thought he was excellent yesterday and I still think Souness is a bigoted Sevco ******
Post by: Bad English on August 14, 2022, 02:30:07 PM
I'm not sure if there's a song or chant for TM.You forgot to post the song lyrics.
It would be great if we could have this for him so could anyone clarify thank you please.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2022, 12:36:49 AM
I never knew he was a Tory. Now the Rangers thing makes sense, and his comments about Mings.
We all know what "he's got a lot to say" means don't we?
Fucking ******.
Mings saying that the conversation was 2 years ago. No prizes for guessing what Tyrone was speaking about.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 15, 2022, 11:27:08 AM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 15, 2022, 12:33:45 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
Sourness has just called Tyrone out over the radio to call up. According to Jim White "it's in Tyrones best interests to do it over the phone". Yes Jim, I'm sure he'd shit himself
Yes Souness doesn't half fancy himself
He isnt sure what he could learn from Mings about football
Well why dont you have an open mind you old twat you might learn something
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 12:51:21 PM
I don’t get why someone trying to bully another (much younger and bigger man) and people they into it thinking you should be scared.Sourness has just called Tyrone out over the radio to call up. According to Jim White "it's in Tyrones best interests to do it over the phone". Yes Jim, I'm sure he'd shit himself
Yes Souness doesn't half fancy himself
He isnt sure what he could learn from Mings about football
Well why dont you have an open mind you old twat you might learn something
Hard men of football are normally just bad tempered not actually hard
Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2022, 12:52:18 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 12:54:43 PM
How old is Souness? Ten?Dont let him hear you say that, or hell get you in the bikesheds and the end of the day
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2022, 12:55:10 PM
How old is Souness? Ten?
Sounds like it.
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2022, 01:43:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/15/graeme-souness-criticised-mans-game-premier-league-chelsea-tottenham (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/15/graeme-souness-criticised-mans-game-premier-league-chelsea-tottenham)
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2022, 01:50:16 PM
That is a shock, an old white man, telling a young black man to know his place
Football, as ever, is a reflection on society
Souness is a cock
Really? Do you really see a race issue in this?
Souness is a dinosaur that is all and as you quite rightly state...a cock
Post by: Diablo on August 15, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
With Souness being a Tory (and Tories being against change) I'm pretty sure the Taking a Knee - Black Lives Matter awareness/protest that Tyrone spoke so eloquently about (with it being a change/threat to the general order) is the thing that initially sparked Souness' dislike towards him. By the looks of it he has just bidded his time waiting to stick the boot in.That is a shock, an old white man, telling a young black man to know his place
Football, as ever, is a reflection on society
Souness is a cock
Really? Do you really see a race issue in this?
Souness is a dinosaur that is all and as you quite rightly state...a cock
Yup definitely in agreement with the "Souness is a cock" camp. And talking of sticking the boot in... looking at and remembering some of his over the top tackles/assaults I'm actually amazed he didn't end anyone's career.
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 04:06:23 PM
Its a bit of the whole "wrong kind of footballer buys a house" about this. There is a clear difference with how the media cover outspoken black players, and outspoken white players.That is a shock, an old white man, telling a young black man to know his place
Football, as ever, is a reflection on society
Souness is a cock
Really? Do you really see a race issue in this?
Souness is a dinosaur that is all and as you quite rightly state...a cock
Anyone telling a top international footballer to know there place because they dont share there view is at best a bigot
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2022, 04:46:03 PM
I would imagine he is more bitter about the young men playing today, especially the money they command, than actual race or anything else.
Maybe also he thinks they are all a bit too sensitive nowadays and not real men (thugs) like in his day - this is an age thing as i feel the same about music, tv etc (as i am an old git now :()
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2022, 04:51:34 PM
My point is that can he not be just an old arsehole rather than a "Tory so must have a racist agenda" it seems everything has to be politicisised.
I would imagine he is more bitter about the young men playing today, especially the money they command, than actual race or anything else.
Maybe also he thinks they are all a bit too sensitive nowadays and not real men (thugs) like in his day - this is an age thing as i feel the same about music, tv etc (as i am an old git now :()
It was the comment he made about not learning anything football related from him that annoys me . Maybe he would learn
about what it is like to play in todays environment where you are constantly televised and under scrutiny from the mass of
social media. He was so dismissive , but show us your trophies again Greame
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 05:11:34 PM
My point is that can he not be just an old arsehole rather than a "Tory so must have a racist agenda" it seems everything has to be politicisised.I get what your saying - but its the know your place sentiment that makes it so unpleasent, whatever it was motivated by it was from somewhere within him that is unsavoury.
I would imagine he is more bitter about the young men playing today, especially the money they command, than actual race or anything else.
Maybe also he thinks they are all a bit too sensitive nowadays and not real men (thugs) like in his day - this is an age thing as i feel the same about music, tv etc (as i am an old git now :()
Tyrone has achieved more than 99.99% of people who play football, no he may not have 3 European Cups but he has plenty of achievements, but souness is pocketing money for that article, which at best was playing to the gallery
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 15, 2022, 06:26:19 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 15, 2022, 06:51:29 PM
Sourness has just called Tyrone out over the radio to call up. According to Jim White "it's in Tyrones best interests to do it over the phone". Yes Jim, I'm sure he'd shit himself
Why? Will White go round to Tyrones house and rearrange his cushions if he doesn't?
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2022, 06:57:13 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 15, 2022, 07:01:28 PM
Post by: Nelly on August 15, 2022, 07:36:01 PM
My point is that can he not be just an old arsehole rather than a "Tory so must have a racist agenda" it seems everything has to be politicisised.
I would imagine he is more bitter about the young men playing today, especially the money they command, than actual race or anything else.
Maybe also he thinks they are all a bit too sensitive nowadays and not real men (thugs) like in his day - this is an age thing as i feel the same about music, tv etc (as i am an old git now :()
Thank you for this. Plus one from me.
Anyway, Souness has long been a dry, abrasive, cantankerous type. I loved his comment about the grass being too long when we stuffed Liverpool.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 15, 2022, 09:02:51 PM
Conclusion: Souness isn't just an arsehole, he's a racist arsehole.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2022, 09:10:22 PM
Getting offended because a Black player has the temerity to speak out about things that affect Black people suggests at least a casual acquaintance with racism. Storing up that prejudice for two years and using it as a stick to beat someone with is very sinister.
Conclusion: Souness isn't just an arsehole, he's a racist arsehole.
I agree with cd.
Post by: Ads on August 15, 2022, 09:12:53 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 15, 2022, 09:53:24 PM
Little did I know McMahon would be playing for them so soon after. Felt betrayed, but I'll always have that tackle on Kevin Broadhurst to look back on
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 15, 2022, 09:55:44 PM
Post by: Diablo on August 16, 2022, 12:03:39 AM
In further Souness "making friends and influencing people" news:He's had an action packed week hasn't he? Souness is now advising Man Yoo to go buy our new captain SJM. Does this mean? A) He has reconsidered his view on Tyrone and he's now actively trying to get him reinstated? B) He's a rent a gob, s**t talking, talking head https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-united-24763923
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/15/graeme-souness-criticised-mans-game-premier-league-chelsea-tottenham (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/15/graeme-souness-criticised-mans-game-premier-league-chelsea-tottenham)
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2022, 12:49:57 AM
My point is that can he not be just an old arsehole rather than a "Tory so must have a racist agenda" it seems everything has to be politicisised.
I would imagine he is more bitter about the young men playing today, especially the money they command, than actual race or anything else.
Maybe also he thinks they are all a bit too sensitive nowadays and not real men (thugs) like in his day - this is an age thing as i feel the same about music, tv etc (as i am an old git now :()
It was the comment he made about not learning anything football related from him that annoys me . Maybe he would learn
about what it is like to play in todays environment where you are constantly televised and under scrutiny from the mass of
social media. He was so dismissive , but show us your trophies again Greame
If Souness was made of chocolate he would eat himself...not sure how he survived the cull along with Matt Le Tissier, Nicholas and those. Roy Keane and himself seem to be a bit like our Ings/Watkins predicament. Keane is basically a younger version of Souness with maybe more humour, throwing out the same cliches as "character, show us your medals, senior pros in the changing room".
Players like Mings deserve respect. He isn't anywhere near the same level as Souness was but entitled to his opinion as much as that crank.
Post by: sid1964 on August 16, 2022, 06:05:49 AM
Whilst working on TV and Radio he has to make statements that get people talking, it is the same for any pundit, that is what they are paid to do, to give their opinions, if you don't like them don't listen to them.
I am sure that Tyrone takes no notice of comments that he makes - water of a ducks back.
Post by: Bad English on August 16, 2022, 06:16:23 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2022, 06:32:48 AM
Post by: Gerrin on August 16, 2022, 08:02:56 AM
With Souness being a Tory (and Tories being against change) I'm pretty sure the Taking a Knee - Black Lives Matter awareness/protest that Tyrone spoke so eloquently about (with it being a change/threat to the general order) is the thing that initially sparked Souness' dislike towards him. By the looks of it he has just bidded his time waiting to stick the boot in.That is a shock, an old white man, telling a young black man to know his place
Football, as ever, is a reflection on society
Souness is a cock
Really? Do you really see a race issue in this?
Souness is a dinosaur that is all and as you quite rightly state...a cock
Yup definitely in agreement with the "Souness is a cock" camp. And talking of sticking the boot in... looking at and remembering some of his over the top tackles/assaults I'm actually amazed he didn't end anyone's career.
It's absolutely disgraceful what TalkSport are doing to Mings. Mings should rise above all that and just ignore Souness and just not get involved in their media circus. They are quite clearly singling him out for their own agenda. This is the sort of thing that leads to the ridiculous abuse that Mings received at Elland Road last season, they're building him up as a figure of hate.
Souness is a complete idiot, I would be interested to know how Gerrard feels about him dragging one of his players through the mud. Working for TalkSport Souness is working for a Murdoch owned company, that Colin Murray resigned from the moment they took over, because he's such a dedicated Liverpool supporter.
Post by: SteveN on August 16, 2022, 08:12:22 AM
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Post by: boozey182 on August 16, 2022, 01:40:14 PM
Can we talk about Tyrones excellent performance against Everton and in particular his unbelievable sliding save towards the end which undoubtedly saved us two points, rather than a has been pundit who lives off his grumpy persona and is now having to subsidise his pension by selling his soul to Talksport and making up controversial non stories for clicks and phone calls?
Tyrone was great at the weekend. It felt like he was making a point, but I hope he continues to play like that. So good to hear the Holte cheer every header he won.
I actually thought the much-maligned trio of Mings, McGinn and Watkins (with Kamara) was the difference between the two teams in the first half. Of course, it was only a very poor Everton team, but we haven't won many matches this year, so it was good to see them all making such a meaningful contribution to a victory.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 02:11:32 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
Some twats booed when his name was announced in the North Stand. Wankers that would no doubt concur with Sourness.
Really , I can not think why at all , that is ridiculous
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2022, 02:38:57 PM
A very strong defence of Tyrone by Laura Woods this morning on talkSport.
She was really excellent this morning in what she said, well worth a quick watch.
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 02:56:04 PM
She's an excellent presenter, well worth listening to.
She really is
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 16, 2022, 03:14:54 PM
She's an excellent presenter, well worth listening to.
She really is
Here's the proof...
https://twitter.com/AVFC_News/status/1559529056680427520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Some twats booed when his name was announced in the North Stand. Wankers that would no doubt concur with Sourness.
Didn't he get plenty of boos at Villa Park when they first started taking the knee ? Mings was brave enough to challenge those neanderthals publicly too.
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2022, 03:51:58 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 16, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
Right now we need him, unless Gerrard pulls a rabbit out of the hatIt would have to be a tall one.
Post by: BC Villain on August 16, 2022, 05:59:02 PM
A very strong defence of Tyrone by Laura Woods this morning on talkSport.
She was really excellent this morning in what she said, well worth a quick watch.
Souness won't like being put back in his box a woman. Well said Laura
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1559520490942767106?t=STZIe3OgLLPekWGR5vSKEw&s=19
Post by: LeonW on August 16, 2022, 06:12:11 PM
A very strong defence of Tyrone by Laura Woods this morning on talkSport.
She was really excellent this morning in what she said, well worth a quick watch.
Souness won't like being put back in his box a woman. Well said Laura
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1559520490942767106?t=STZIe3OgLLPekWGR5vSKEw&s=19
Thanks for posting the link to that video.
Post by: dave shelley on August 16, 2022, 06:24:44 PM
Right now we need him, unless Gerrard pulls a rabbit out of the hatIt would have to be a tall one.
Not necessarily, it could be normal size but with extraordinarily long ears.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 16, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
She was brilliant. Not only put the record straight regarding Tyrone but stopped just in time before labeling Talksports' latest signing a twat. A real professional.Spot on RCF!!!
Post by: Louzie0 on August 16, 2022, 06:52:17 PM
What I’ll always love about TM was the VT when he wore his Villa kit at the railway station and wanted to return the following season. No idea how to find it, but it was lovely, so I hope a fellow H&V-er can oblige.
It was when he identified as a total Villan 👍
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2022, 07:16:03 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/P569bPF/D7qc-JDo-Wk-Agork-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P569bPF)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2022, 07:22:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 07:29:16 PM
I love that man.
seconded
Post by: Louzie0 on August 16, 2022, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 16, 2022, 07:49:15 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1558445290402758658 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1558445290402758658)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 07:57:28 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 16, 2022, 07:59:55 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 16, 2022, 08:15:44 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 16, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2022, 08:19:44 PM
She's too good for that radio station surely.
I hear that they pay pretty well.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2022, 08:28:37 PM
And if you want to know why Souness is still employed, read some of the comments. Like many so called pundits, he appeals mainly to the lowest common denominator. The type that wants bants, hardmen, it's a man's game etc. A man like Tyrone scares that type.
Post by: Gerrin on August 16, 2022, 08:31:24 PM
A very strong defence of Tyrone by Laura Woods this morning on talkSport.
She was really excellent this morning in what she said, well worth a quick watch.
Souness won't like being put back in his box a woman. Well said Laura
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1559520490942767106?t=STZIe3OgLLPekWGR5vSKEw&s=19
Thanks for posting the link to that video.
Absolutely superb, there you go Jim White, get Laura Woods on with Souness to discuss Tyrone Mings. She seems to be aware of his achievements.
Post by: dave shelley on August 16, 2022, 08:34:45 PM
What she said is excellent.
And if you want to know why Souness is still employed, read some of the comments. Like many so called pundits, he appeals mainly to the lowest common denominator. The type that wants bants, hardmen, it's a man's game etc. A man like Tyrone scares that type.
Exactly. Tyrone threatens and terrifies that kind of individual with his intellect. The world in general needs more of the Tyrone Mings I'lk.
Post by: john e on August 16, 2022, 08:34:58 PM
i wasn’t there but my wife was who is also a big admirer of our Tyrone and I’m not talking in the footballing sense
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9PdkXw/08-EB859-C-4275-4-C4-A-BFFA-06-DFA8-D4-B382.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9PdkXw)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKFTP1h/1701251-C-9020-4-A8-D-874-C-E452-EAC434-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wKFTP1h)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 08:40:21 PM
Fair play to her. What a great and articulate defence of him.More journalists like her please, eloquent, intelligent, well spoken and prepared to make the case without rancour or hubris.
Post by: colin69 on August 16, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
He’s my favourite player since Paul McGrath.
Absolute class act, and he even shut the idiots up behind me on Saturday who normally slag him off constantly with his motm performance.
Post by: olaftab on August 16, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
"Never achieved anything in the game" Honestly what a ******.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 16, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 09:18:19 PM
From a terrible childhood to becoming a professional footballer, captaining a great club in the top division of English football and playing for his Country we salute you Tyrone Mings.
"Never achieved anything in the game" Honestly what a ******.
Souness played in a couple of superb team and achieved a lot
Not saying he wasn’t a fantastic player , but try him in the teams mings has
played , let’s see what you achieve so to speak
Saying that Souness would be great in our midfield today 😃
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2022, 09:35:33 PM
What she said is excellent.
And if you want to know why Souness is still employed, read some of the comments. Like many so called pundits, he appeals mainly to the lowest common denominator. The type that wants bants, hardmen, it's a man's game etc. A man like Tyrone scares that type.
Exactly. Tyrone threatens and terrifies that kind of individual with his intellect. The world in general needs more of the Tyrone Mings I'lk.
Dave, I think you're an absolutely amazing chap, but bloody hell, that apostrophe!
Post by: Ian. on August 16, 2022, 09:43:28 PM
Fingers, thumbs and phones, it’s a bloody struggle in todays world for English and grammar. Sometimes when I look back at what I have written I hold my head in shame.What she said is excellent.
And if you want to know why Souness is still employed, read some of the comments. Like many so called pundits, he appeals mainly to the lowest common denominator. The type that wants bants, hardmen, it's a man's game etc. A man like Tyrone scares that type.
Exactly. Tyrone threatens and terrifies that kind of individual with his intellect. The world in general needs more of the Tyrone Mings I'lk.
Dave, I think you're an absolutely amazing chap, but bloody hell, that apostrophe!
I bet Souness wouldn’t though.
Post by: dave shelley on August 16, 2022, 09:45:30 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 16, 2022, 09:51:01 PM
Post by: Rory on August 17, 2022, 12:16:49 AM
My lad had a selfie with him at Euston Station last week
i wasn’t there but my wife was who is also a big admirer of our Tyrone and I’m not talking in the footballing sense
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9PdkXw/08-EB859-C-4275-4-C4-A-BFFA-06-DFA8-D4-B382.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q9PdkXw)
(https://i.ibb.co/wKFTP1h/1701251-C-9020-4-A8-D-874-C-E452-EAC434-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wKFTP1h)
Aww. My brother worked at VP for about three years, and he said Tyrone always smiled and said hello to everybody, and made an effort to learn the names of all of the staff.
I think he's one of those lads who is Villa for life now.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 17, 2022, 12:45:56 AM
She was brilliant. Not only put the record straight regarding Tyrone but stopped just in time before labeling Talksports' latest signing a twat. A real professional.
Indeed. They certainly needed to counterbalance nonsense with observable truth.
If that gets as much traction as the off beam Souness comment, then a bit like the Gerrard comment (which I think best analysis of was it was an off the cuff oft used figure of speech blown out of proportion, said by a grumpy man who is a terrible loser) I think it might actually serve our Ty well.
If there is one man in the club who has overcome so much, and achieved so much off the pitch and on it, and who we know is bright enough to work at stiff with a psychologist (I’d suggest passing on his number to one or two colleagues) then it’s him.
I think lots of us were close to a grumble about Tyrone, though he’d actually found a good vein of form, and having him dropped along with maybe an imagined spat, siding with him over Gerard (more credit in the bank etc) welcomed back like the prodigal
son, putting in a prodigious performance and we’re back in love with him as a fanbase.
I might be extrapolating a bit far from my own experience - and I know some man love has never waned SE - but maybe just maybe in an entirely arse about foot unplanned way, the stripping of the captaincy might have had a good long term net effect. Also thought SJM did step up a bit Saturday, so maybe the SJM-boost SG had a hunch would happen can happen.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 17, 2022, 02:57:43 AM
My lad had a selfie with him at Euston Station last weekAlso a public transport user (see also post- play-off final plus been known to cycle), bit of a Dave Angel. More proof of all round awesomeness.
Post by: andyh on August 17, 2022, 07:14:53 AM
We all know exactly what he meant, but the dinosaur will attempt to make himself the victim of his words being misinterpreted.
Many pundits have recently lost their gigs on media outlets because of their medieval approach to life and football, I doubt very much that Talkshite have the same standards, and this spat between one of their commentators and a high profile footballer is just what they want.
Post by: BC Villain on August 17, 2022, 12:32:55 PM
What she said is excellent.
And if you want to know why Souness is still employed, read some of the comments. Like many so called pundits, he appeals mainly to the lowest common denominator. The type that wants bants, hardmen, it's a man's game etc. A man like Tyrone scares that type.
Amused to see the barcode fans praising him for it. Obviously forgotten what a crap manager he was for them
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2022, 12:38:46 PM
and who we know is bright enough to work at stiff with a psychologist
(https://i.ibb.co/Kj33pFB/Kenneth-Williams.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kj33pFB)
Post by: Nev on August 17, 2022, 12:45:37 PM
I loved the support for Mings on Sat and I think it won't have gone unnoticed by the Manager.
Oh, and not forgetting to add, Souness is a ******
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2022, 01:08:17 PM
I echo the comments about Woods, the only programme I can put up with in TS is Hawksbee and Jacobs, they are journalists, much like Danny Kelly and by God you can tell in comparison to the ex pro's on there.
I loved the support for Mings on Sat and I think it won't have gone unnoticed by the Manager.
Oh, and not forgetting to add, Souness is a ******
There was a gutteral roar that greeted that tackle at the end, it was ace.
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
I echo the comments about Woods, the only programme I can put up with in TS is Hawksbee and Jacobs, they are journalists, much like Danny Kelly and by God you can tell in comparison to the ex pro's on there.
I loved the support for Mings on Sat and I think it won't have gone unnoticed by the Manager.
Oh, and not forgetting to add, Souness is a ******
The players all gave the fans a big extended round of applause at the weekend, and Gerrard was walking around shaking hands with our players and putting an arm round them. I kept a special eye out for him going over to Tyrone, who got an arm around the waist and a chat for a few seconds. It didn't look like there was any issue there at all to be honest.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 17, 2022, 01:46:03 PM
I echo the comments about Woods, the only programme I can put up with in TS is Hawksbee and Jacobs, they are journalists, much like Danny Kelly and by God you can tell in comparison to the ex pro's on there.
I loved the support for Mings on Sat and I think it won't have gone unnoticed by the Manager.
Oh, and not forgetting to add, Souness is a ******
The players all gave the fans a big extended round of applause at the weekend, and Gerrard was walking around shaking hands with our players and putting an arm round them. I kept a special eye out for him going over to Tyrone, who got an arm around the waist and a chat for a few seconds. It didn't look like there was any issue there at all to be honest.
Gerrard said that the way Tyrone reacted to loss of Captaincy was superb
Gerrard said that Tyrone had a knock all week but due to his character knew he could turn to him on the bench if needed.
If the "Look me in the eye" bullshit did anything then it inspired Tyrone to have a superb game on Saturday
I really do not see any problem here
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 17, 2022, 01:47:17 PM
Fuck Talksport.
Or United FM as it should be called - fuck me instead of once great football team now turns to shit you would think it was the end of the game as we know it
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Tyrone is the type of person that makes the world a better place with his decency. Souness is the type of person that would sit in a flat roof pub all day glaring at anyone he doesn't know as he wants to be the local hardman.You mean like in "Boys from the black stuff" when Yosser met him?
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2022, 03:01:53 PM
Reported he's unwell with a high temperature.
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2022, 03:28:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
As Mings if he doesn't leave this transfer window could outlast SG come October.
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2022, 08:18:57 PM
I sincerely hope it's bollox.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:27:20 PM
Talk at the ground today that Mings will be leaving for WHU before the window shuts.
I sincerely hope it's bollox.
Not a chance I reckon.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:32:53 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
Talk at the ground today that Mings will be leaving for WHU before the window shuts.
I sincerely hope it's bollox.
West Ham have signed about four new defenders this summer.
Leicester would be obvious departure with Fofana leaving, infact I reckon if we'd got in Tarkowski along with Carlos in June he'd already be playing for them.
I'd rather he stayed though and the manager goes.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:43:13 PM
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
He definitely wasn't ill today. I reckon a total breakdown in relations between the real captain of the side and the tin pot manager we have.
What are you basing that on? Too many people would be aware if Gerrard came out with a bare faced lie like that.
Post by: cdward on August 28, 2022, 08:45:37 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:47:22 PM
He definitely wasn't ill today. I reckon a total breakdown in relations between the real captain of the side and the tin pot manager we have.
What are you basing that on? Too many people would be aware if Gerrard came out with a bare faced lie like that.
Unless it's covid, it's a really fanny reason to be missing. A temperature and headache?
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:51:16 PM
Ending the transfer window with Konsa-Bednarek starting v Man. City would sum up the last 12 months.
It would also end the window with a good 5/6-0 beating as well.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2022, 08:52:35 PM
Ending the transfer window with Konsa-Bednarek starting v Man. City would sum up the last 12 months.
It has to be said that we’ve been a bit unlucky with Carlos getting a serious injury after a couple of games.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 28, 2022, 08:53:19 PM
This could be Gerrards "Arteta Aubameyang" moment
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:55:22 PM
Ending the transfer window with Konsa-Bednarek starting v Man. City would sum up the last 12 months.
It has to be said that we’ve been a bit unlucky with Carlos getting a serious injury after a couple of games.
We've got one player out injured. We've been shit for 12 months.
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
If you get 40m for Mings that's good business. He;s knocking on 30 and will always drop a bollock every four games.
This could be Gerrards "Arteta Aubameyang" moment
Only for Mings we would be last.
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2022, 09:40:13 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 28, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
1) We’re short on defensive cover
2) He knows he’d be putting a price on his own head, considering the fan reaction to the captaincy/look me in the eyes debacle.
Think I’ve answered my own question. The answer is YES.
He’d better not get rid of him, or next weekend will not be a pleasant experience for him.
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 11:59:32 PM
Post by: colin69 on August 29, 2022, 12:06:08 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2022, 12:35:10 AM
Ending the transfer window with Konsa-Bednarek starting v Man. City would sum up the last 12 months.
It has to be said that we’ve been a bit unlucky with Carlos getting a serious injury after a couple of games.
We've got one player out injured. We've been shit for 12 months.
Yes, but said player was brought in for a fairly hefty fee to help improve us and then got seriously injured almost straight away.
Post by: ROBBO on August 29, 2022, 01:54:35 AM
Post by: Rory on August 29, 2022, 02:51:15 AM
I really, really hope we don’t sell him. Be a stupid decision if we did.
Agree. In our current position, trying to sell Mings would be a sackable offence in itself.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 09:18:29 AM
If the reported illness was, in fact, a masquerade, however he could well have symptoms of a Covid strain so wish him all the best to get better.
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2022, 11:54:49 AM
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2022, 11:57:16 AM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Yes, Gerrard said on the telly before kick off that he was ill. Sounds like Covid symptoms to me, although managers won't say as much these days.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2022, 11:57:46 AM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Illness apparently.
Smells fishy to me.
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Yes, Gerrard said on the telly before kick off that he was ill. Sounds like Covid symptoms to me, although managers won't say as much these days.
Ah, ok. I didn't catch any of the telly box build up. Thanks.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2022, 04:23:41 PM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Illness apparently.
Smells fishy to me.
Sounds quite an unpleasant illness in that case.
Post by: cdward on August 29, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 29, 2022, 04:51:28 PM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Illness apparently.
Smells fishy to me.
Men don’t get BV or Trichomonas ……..
Post by: wince on August 29, 2022, 06:36:06 PM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Illness apparently.
Smells fishy to me.
Men don’t get BV ……..
He may be first to the puns in death watch thread but BV is alright
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2022, 07:09:32 PM
Illness apparently.
Smells fishy to me.
Men don’t get BV ……..
He may be first to the puns in death watch thread but BV is alright
Only in very small doses.
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2022, 07:14:34 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2022, 07:33:06 PM
Tyrone is the type of person that makes the world a better place with his decency. Souness is the type of person that would sit in a flat roof pub all day glaring at anyone he doesn't know as he wants to be the local hardman.
Nay Cnut leaves this pub until we find out what Cnut did this.
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 29, 2022, 07:36:36 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 29, 2022, 08:15:10 PM
Has it come out why he didn't play yesterday?
Sick.
Sick of the gaffer probably.
Post by: Mellin on August 29, 2022, 09:15:28 PM
Post by: OzVilla on August 29, 2022, 11:43:08 PM
Post by: Mellin on August 29, 2022, 11:57:22 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2022, 01:52:07 AM
If we sell Tyrone Mings and keep Steven Gerrard I'm taking the season off and I'm deadly serious about that. Really can't be arsed with this wanker upsetting all our players with actual ability, so he can play this fucking stupid system. See also L. Bailey, E. Buendia and B. Traore, amongst others.
Just to play devil's advocate slightly, what if all of the above mentioned have really poor attitudes which Gerrard has called them out on and they don't like it?
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2022, 04:27:26 AM
I was told last week that staff in the Villa shop aren’t allowed to talk to or acknowledge the players (some kind of God complex) but I didn’t really believe it and shrugged it off as nothing; however if true, it’s small things like that which may suggest there is an inherent attitude problem within the club.
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2022, 06:34:05 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Then we really have a big problem.
I was told last week that staff in the Villa shop aren’t allowed to talk to or acknowledge the players (some kind of God complex) but I didn’t really believe it and shrugged it off as nothing; however if true, it’s small things like that which may suggest there is an inherent attitude problem within the club.
I know someone who works in the club shop so I can find out if that's true. I doubt it though. It's not as if they go in there on a daily basis.
Post by: Vegas on August 30, 2022, 07:10:47 AM
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2022, 07:13:17 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2022, 07:14:15 AM
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2022, 07:18:18 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2022, 07:37:01 AM
That’s not very fanny is it?
Mings has always been an eager beaver
Post by: algy on August 30, 2022, 07:41:29 AM
Post by: manic-road on August 30, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
That’s not very fanny is it?
Mings has always been an eager beaver
Not another gash punathon.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 08:56:47 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 07:14:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:17:36 PM
The second goal involved him struggling with Saka, which allowed him to cross with his left foot.
I believe Gerrard has lost confidence with him and Mings has lost his playing confidence. It has been suggested that he and Cash aren't getting the message.
The problem is that SG made mistakes, and SG and coaches should encourage these players because they are all under pressure.
Post by: stubbsyandy on September 25, 2022, 02:35:25 PM
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Post by: Clampy on September 25, 2022, 03:20:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 25, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
Am I right in thinking he was the last player to score from open play for England?
It was from a corner so i'm guessing that doesn't count.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 25, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 25, 2022, 04:33:05 PM
Post by: algy on September 25, 2022, 04:46:01 PM
https://twitter.com/ChipTownFC/status/1573749368326393858
He's a good lad, Tyrone Mings. We need to keep him.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 25, 2022, 05:10:18 PM
Nah.
Was the ball available to both sides? Yes. Ergo, open play. It's not like he Luized it.
Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2022, 12:53:01 AM
Post by: dave shelley on September 26, 2022, 08:32:13 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 26, 2022, 10:32:36 AM
Free kicks, corner kicks, goal kicks etc are taken after the ball has become 'dead' so I would go with the 'not from open play' school of thought.
I agree with you but it's not really a school of thought, is it. It is, dare I say it, a fact. (Possibly that should have been capitalized for emphasis).
Post by: paul_e on September 26, 2022, 03:50:40 PM
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Post by: Bad English on September 27, 2022, 05:57:47 AM
My query here, without worrying too much about it, is when does a set-piece routine become open play? I think if the ball is cleared to the edge of the box and then rifled into the top corner that is a goal from open play, but is that universally accepted? What if a defender gets to it but only flicks the ball into the path of an attacker in the 6 yard box? How about a free kick that hits the wall, if it falls to a player in the box is it still a set piece goal, if it comes out and gets crossed to the same player in the box to score is that open play?You probably need to stay in more mate. ;-)
Post by: Drummond on September 27, 2022, 08:59:49 AM
Post by: Border villan on September 27, 2022, 09:03:39 AM
Tyrone Mings should be in that England squad. Maguire is fucking useless at the moment and it's no surprise that his club are performing way better without him.
Tyrone is better off not being involved until Shitgate gets the push.
Post by: Drummond on September 27, 2022, 09:08:13 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 27, 2022, 09:28:13 AM
It's the World Cup, and Mings does a good job for England, regardless.
That performance last night suggests otherwise. It was comedic, he looked like fucking Boris Johnson bumbling around in a charity match.
Post by: Risso on September 27, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
It's the World Cup, and Mings does a good job for England, regardless.
That performance last night suggests otherwise. It was comedic, he looked like fucking Boris Johnson bumbling around in a charity match.
Go and have a cup of coffee mate, then try that again!
Post by: LeeB on September 27, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
It's the World Cup, and Mings does a good job for England, regardless.
That performance last night suggests otherwise. It was comedic, he looked like fucking Boris Johnson bumbling around in a charity match.
Go and have a cup of coffee mate, then try that again!
Jaysus, what a fucking div.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 27, 2022, 09:56:18 AM
It's a shame as I have no doubt he'd do a better job than Maguire right now. Tomori may do better than both, but he hasn't had the opportunity to show it at international level yet - which is almost negligence on Southgate's part.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 27, 2022, 07:07:41 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 27, 2022, 07:25:32 PM
Post by: BC Villain on September 28, 2022, 05:48:04 AM
He should have dealt with when he told Mings to "man up" last year.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 28, 2022, 08:47:19 AM
Baffled at how Danny Mills of all people can call a fellow professional terrible on live radio.He's a pathetic presenter. With that said quite a lot of our fans seem to agree with him. I just don't get the hate, we've always been a better team with him in it and for me his plus points far outweigh the lapses he sometimes has.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 28, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
There appears to be an increasing concern surrounding the way Mings is being treated by some in the media, by england (the fa of which southgate is merely a yes man and mouthpiece) and from his own manager/backroom team within Villa.
Imo our manager's issues didn't just start in the pre-season with stripping Mings of the captaincy and dropping him. They started with about 10 games to go last season when he stated he would be reviewing the captaincy with this season in mind. Without being aware of the timeline I believe the england snub has since followed without any real explanation that I'm aware of. Has our manager since come out in the media to advocate Mings being recognised internationally again? Has he done that for any of our dropped internationals?
Mings' form has been good overall in 2022 and would see him walk into most other international sides other than england. I wonder why that would be?
Post by: LeeB on September 28, 2022, 09:27:15 AM
Mills is sh*t as is souness, but thankfully most right mnded Villa fans are firmly behind Tyrone.
There appears to be an increasing concern surrounding the way Mings is being treated by some in the media, by england (the fa of which southgate is merely a yes man and mouthpiece) and from his own manager/backroom team within Villa.
Imo our manager's issues didn't just start in the pre-season with stripping Mings of the captaincy and dropping him. They started with about 10 games to go last season when he stated he would be reviewing the captaincy with this season in mind. Without being aware of the timeline I believe the england snub has since followed without any real explanation that I'm aware of. Has our manager since come out in the media to advocate Mings being recognised internationally again? Has he done that for any of our dropped internationals?
Mings' form has been good overall in 2022 and would see him walk into most other international sides other than england. I wonder why that would be?
It is odd, I think he's possibly played his best football for us this calendar year
Post by: frank black on September 28, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
It’s trendy to hate him.
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2022, 09:43:22 AM
Mills is sh*t as is souness, but thankfully most right mnded Villa fans are firmly behind Tyrone.
There appears to be an increasing concern surrounding the way Mings is being treated by some in the media, by england (the fa of which southgate is merely a yes man and mouthpiece) and from his own manager/backroom team within Villa.
Imo our manager's issues didn't just start in the pre-season with stripping Mings of the captaincy and dropping him. They started with about 10 games to go last season when he stated he would be reviewing the captaincy with this season in mind. Without being aware of the timeline I believe the england snub has since followed without any real explanation that I'm aware of. Has our manager since come out in the media to advocate Mings being recognised internationally again? Has he done that for any of our dropped internationals?
Mings' form has been good overall in 2022 and would see him walk into most other international sides other than england. I wonder why that would be?
I hope that last sentence isn't a thinly veiled accusation of racism, because if it is, it's bollocks. I can't stand Southgate as much as the next man, but he's picked Walker, Sterling, Trippier, Bellingham, James, Saka, Guehi, Toney etc. If it's not a hint at racism, I fail to see the point you're making.
And when do club managers ever try to tell international managers who to pick?
Post by: Dick Edwards on September 28, 2022, 09:47:55 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 28, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2022, 10:19:15 AM
He's hated by racists. They can tolerate Black players because they have to, but Black players who actually speak about racism are a bridge too far. See also Colin Kaepernick.
You're probably right, but that doesn't mean that Gareth Southgate is a racist for not picking him. He's just a shit football manager who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 28, 2022, 10:28:28 AM
Post by: Mellin on September 28, 2022, 11:38:26 AM
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2022, 11:40:29 AM
No, I wasn't alleging that Southgate was a racist. Was thinking more of the Leeds fans that single him out whenever we meet, as Dick Edwards mentioned him not being liked by "other clubs' fans" in the post above.
I didn't mean to imply you did, I was really responding to the person above who queried why Mings isn't getting picked for England.
Post by: paul_e on September 28, 2022, 12:14:22 PM
No, I wasn't alleging that Southgate was a racist. Was thinking more of the Leeds fans that single him out whenever we meet, as Dick Edwards mentioned him not being liked by "other clubs' fans" in the post above.
I didn't mean to imply you did, I was really responding to the person above who queried why Mings isn't getting picked for England.
I think the racism thing definitely plays a part, not directly but rather that daft racists like Souness and Mills, who dislike him for his political views, go out of their way to highlight his errors and ignore all the good things he does, fans pick up on it and call him shit and Southgate sees it as an 'easy win' to drop Mings to allow him to keep picking his favourite slabhead.
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Anyway, I think that there's been so much negative press about Mings that it filters through to everyone. I know people, who I know not to be racist, who don't like him but can't really explain why other than that he makes errors.
I reckon he just gets negative press and spin which is hard to turn around. When he makes a mistake it will get magnified whereas he does a lot of great stuff on the pitch too.
I'm proud he's a Villa player, wishbhed get more recognition for the national team and hope he stays.
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 28, 2022, 01:59:26 PM
I never really had much of an opinion of Sterling, though whne he moved to Man City I figured he was a money grabber and was probably influenced by the press. At the last World Cup (or was it Euros?) there was an article on the Player's Tribune that was a real eye opener for me and gave me a really positive view of him as a person. His form as a footballer fluctuates but he's definitely a talent.
Anyway, I think that there's been so much negative press about Mings that it filters through to everyone. I know people, who I know not to be racist, who don't like him but can't really explain why other than that he makes errors.
I reckon he just gets negative press and spin which is hard to turn around. When he makes a mistake it will get magnified whereas he does a lot of great stuff on the pitch too.
I'm proud he's a Villa player, wishbhed get more recognition for the national team and hope he stays.
The number of fans I've overheard at Villa Park saying he should 'stick to football' tells a story. Again, unintended or otherwise it has and underlying racist sentiment.
Post by: eamonn on September 28, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2022, 02:32:43 PM
Whats the Players Tribune?
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/europe
Some cracking articles on there, direct from the players. Ramsey has one too..
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 28, 2022, 06:45:18 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 28, 2022, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: postmatch after shipping three at home
"I have to accept there's going to be a huge amount of noise, there has been, around individual and team selections, but if I'm going to be wishy-washy, change my mind, and not give us the best chance of winning, then it's pointless me doing it."
He's already picked his team for Iran, I tells ya, and it features Maguire. That quote's from Sky, it's quite revealing of his mindset https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/12705992/gareth-southgate-defiant-on-his-selection-of-defenders-despite-more-harry-maguire-woes-for-england
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2022, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: postmatch after shipping three at home"I have to accept there's going to be a huge amount of noise, there has been, around individual and team selections, but if I'm going to be wishy-washy, change my mind, and not give us the best chance of winning, then it's pointless me doing it."
He's already picked his team for Iran, I tells ya, and it features Maguire. That quote's from Sky, it's quite revealing of his mindset https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/12705992/gareth-southgate-defiant-on-his-selection-of-defenders-despite-more-harry-maguire-woes-for-england
Yep, like I say, he's both petty and stubborn. Together with little talent, it's not a great combination.
Post by: mrfuse on September 28, 2022, 07:41:18 PM
Whats the Players Tribune?
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/europe
Some cracking articles on there, direct from the players. Ramsey has one too..
Sorry for going off topic but thanks for the link. Ramsey's article was great you've got to love him even more after reading that.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 28, 2022, 10:02:12 PM
He's hated by racists. They can tolerate Black players because they have to, but Black players who actually speak about racism are a bridge too far. See also Colin Kaepernick.
Exactly.
Post by: BC Villain on September 29, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
It flies in the face of the Danny Mills of this world, who think that footballers are actually a bit dim
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2022, 10:47:50 AM
I'm proud he's a Villa player, wishbhed get more recognition for the national team and hope he stays.
This is 100% how I feel too.
Post by: The Charmer on September 30, 2022, 02:31:12 PM
Players who arrive in the Premier League, previously having had a real job and driven a naff car, tend to have a better grasp on how the world works and what is actually important.
The occasional poor game doesn't take away the fact that Tyrone Mings is a credit to our club.
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 01, 2022, 09:35:49 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 01, 2022, 09:38:39 PM
I'm proud he's a Villa player, wishbhed get more recognition for the national team and hope he stays.
This is 100% how I feel too.
Yep, me too.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 01, 2022, 09:58:20 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 01, 2022, 09:59:29 PM
I'm proud he's a Villa player, wishbhed get more recognition for the national team and hope he stays.
This is 100% how I feel too.
Yep, me too.
Me three. Hope he shuts up those twats tomorrow.
Post by: TheMalandro on October 01, 2022, 10:02:42 PM
He’s a good player and a good man.
Agree. Although, I’d probably be wanting a better player, if aiming for the top eight or so places.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 01, 2022, 10:09:50 PM
Post by: Legion on October 01, 2022, 10:50:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 12:09:38 AM
I believe Mings was made aware that Gareth Southgate was in observation , which may have contributed to his nervy showing at the start of the match and misfortune.
I also don't believe SG gives full support, and Mings appears to have lost some confidence, having made two rash challenges that resulted in free kicks that led to goals in the last two matches.
I'm curious if Gerrard will bench him for Fulham everything points to that. Maybe it will be dressed as a deemed rotational move for Bednarek.
I believe our former captain could well outlast Gerrard, and with a new coach we'll get a revitalised Tyrone Mings, he's not at peak performance right now.
I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.
Post by: Legion on October 18, 2022, 12:11:36 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 12:13:29 AM
But I wouldn't be surprised if one of the next two he won't be playing.
Due to the turnaround of matches , form and that we have Bednarek available.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 18, 2022, 07:09:22 AM
"To be fair to Tyrone, I've been in dressing rooms where people make mistakes and don't put their hand up and take responsibility for them," he said.
"Tyrone's done that and I've told him there was no need because his reaction was superb from there and his form's improved dramatically in my opinion. He's been one of our strongest performers."
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 18, 2022, 07:14:18 AM
I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.
This is a (social) media thing. There is nothing to indicate there is a problem between Mings and Gerrard other than people not associated with the club stoking the subject for clicks.
Post by: Ian. on October 18, 2022, 07:16:22 AM
He made a mistake at the weekend, I agree, but how many mistakes has the rest of the team made over the season.
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 18, 2022, 07:28:34 AM
Of course he should play, our most consistent and inform player this season. If only we was as good as him at the other end our manager might not be getting the boot. When your not scoring, that pressure just builds and builds at the other end. Let’s face it our top scorer has one goal. Mings isn’t the problem.He failed to control one ball, and it is deemed all his fault.
He made a mistake at the weekend, I agree, but how many mistakes has the rest of the team made over the season.
How many balls did Watkins fail to control at the opposite end?
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 18, 2022, 07:32:17 AM
Although Martinez should have saved the free kick.
Post by: brontebilly on October 18, 2022, 08:36:54 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
He was terrible for that Sterling chance when he hit the bar too. Ramsey and Luiz also far too weak in the challenge that time. Mings tends to lose all composure after a rick and that was the case on Saturday again. Only one way to get back on the horse and that's to quieten Mitrovic on Thursday.Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Be very difficult to quieten Mitro.
For Mitrovic this Prem season 7 goals in 9 matches
And last season in Championship he broke records -43 goals in 46 matches last season
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 18, 2022, 08:54:52 AM
I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 18, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
He was terrible for that Sterling chance when he hit the bar too. Ramsey and Luiz also far too weak in the challenge that time. Mings tends to lose all composure after a rick and that was the case on Saturday again. Only one way to get back on the horse and that's to quieten Mitrovic on Thursday.Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Be very difficult to quieten Mitro.
For Mitrovic this Prem season 7 goals in 9 matches
And last season in Championship he broke records -43 goals in 46 matches last season
Look at how he played against Haaland - I think he'll relish Mitrovic!
Post by: chrisw1 on October 18, 2022, 09:00:22 AM
I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour. His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.Agreed. Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.
I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 09:07:37 AM
I think it was Gerrard who stoked things up.I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.
This is a (social) media thing. There is nothing to indicate there is a problem between Mings and Gerrard other than people not associated with the club stoking the subject for clicks.
Theres a lot of tension and its been further scrutinized due to Gerrard handling of affairs. So it's then become a focus on Mings performance.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 18, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
I think it was Gerrard who stoked things up.I think having been somewhat undermined and pressured by the manager, it's understandable that he's made a few mistakes.
This is a (social) media thing. There is nothing to indicate there is a problem between Mings and Gerrard other than people not associated with the club stoking the subject for clicks.
Theres a lot of tension and its been further scrutinized due to Gerrard handling of affairs. So it's then become a focus on Mings performance.
What actual evidence do you have of "a lot of tension"? It's other people projecting something onto it they want to be there.
Post by: brontebilly on October 18, 2022, 10:36:54 AM
I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour. His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.Agreed. Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.
I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.
If Southgate is basing his CB picks on defenders avoiding high profile mistakes, the likes of Maguire, Stones etc would never get a look in. England have lots of CBs around the same level. Don't think it would be a selection travesty if Mings isn't selected but at same time he is solid in a 2 or 3 as he proved at last Euros.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 18, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
But he's already out in the cold. Only outstanding form would have given the chance to get back in the squad. He was at least making people ask the queston with the way he way playing, but Sunday gave Southgate all the excuses he needs to continue to leave him out.I think he has been much better recently and felt a bit for him with Southgate there, as he had been playing just as well if not better than some of the centre halves who have been more in favour. His record for England is also very good and he has never let them down, but alas I think that mistake will have done for any World Cup chance.Agreed. Gutted for him that he blew any slim WC chance on Sunday, but generally he's still been very good for us this season.
I'd rather we had him than anyone else had him.
If Southgate is basing his CB picks on defenders avoiding high profile mistakes, the likes of Maguire, Stones etc would never get a look in. England have lots of CBs around the same level. Don't think it would be a selection travesty if Mings isn't selected but at same time he is solid in a 2 or 3 as he proved at last Euros.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 18, 2022, 02:36:15 PM
Of course he'll play. Gerrard's comments on Mings after the game:
"To be fair to Tyrone, I've been in dressing rooms where people make mistakes and don't put their hand up and take responsibility for them," he said.
"Tyrone's done that and I've told him there was no need because his reaction was superb from there and his form's improved dramatically in my opinion. He's been one of our strongest performers."
That will not stop the detractors from claiming it is everything from Gerrards arrogance to a race issue that is the problem with Mings.
I'm firmly in the camp that having the armband taken away has actually got him back into some very good form (Mings usual brain farts recently aside)
My issue was not Mings losing it but McGinn being given it as that has meant he has played way too many times since
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 19, 2022, 08:00:55 AM
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Which is a very competent defender who makes as many goal saving blocks as he does ricks, I don't get the online hostility towards him.
Post by: Allan C on October 19, 2022, 08:19:07 AM
I agree with this particularly about the captaincy, but if not McGinn then who else??Of course he'll play. Gerrard's comments on Mings after the game:
"To be fair to Tyrone, I've been in dressing rooms where people make mistakes and don't put their hand up and take responsibility for them," he said.
"Tyrone's done that and I've told him there was no need because his reaction was superb from there and his form's improved dramatically in my opinion. He's been one of our strongest performers."
That will not stop the detractors from claiming it is everything from Gerrards arrogance to a race issue that is the problem with Mings.
I'm firmly in the camp that having the armband taken away has actually got him back into some very good form (Mings usual brain farts recently aside)
My issue was not Mings losing it but McGinn being given it as that has meant he has played way too many times since
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 19, 2022, 08:44:37 AM
There is some of that no doubt on other platforms which I do not subscribe to,but the comments on this forum that point out that he makes too many mistakes is because he makes too many mistakes.
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Which is a very competent defender who makes as many goal saving blocks as he does ricks, I don't get the online hostility towards him.
I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2022, 08:50:54 AM
I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.
I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 19, 2022, 08:57:26 AM
He was at fault for both goals, the first too slow to react, the second went in the net just under the bar where he was standing until he took a step to the right.
I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.
I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.
Post by: Steve kirk on October 19, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.
Post by: john e on October 19, 2022, 09:45:47 AM
All the Scapegoating and mistakes will be forgotten about and he will be remembered with much fondness
Post by: chrisw1 on October 19, 2022, 09:56:49 AM
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2022, 10:13:30 AM
With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.
As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.
But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on October 19, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2022, 10:22:34 AM
With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.
As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.
But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.
It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2022, 10:23:14 AM
I would add though that the Martinez fuck up count does not get the attention it deserves.
I think you're right there. To be honest, Martinez has been less than stellar for a while now. He used to be a really good starter of attacks, but 2 or 3 times against Chelsea the crowd were berating him for holding on to the ball too long.
I agree, I think that's a lack of confidence and organisation rather than being just about him.
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2022, 10:24:26 AM
or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error
I think you need to watch the highlights again. He had all the time in the world, and the nearest Chelsea player in Sterling was about 6 feet away. It was simply a case of him getting it badly wrong and heading it towards goal instead of away. Absolutely terrible piece of play.
Post by: john e on October 19, 2022, 10:25:25 AM
With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.
As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.
But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.
It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.
It was a fuck up but it shouldn’t have cost us the
Post by: mrfuse on October 19, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
With the caveat that Mings is by some distance my favourite Villa player, and therefore my favourite player playing today, I think his mistakes are highlighted more than others by Villa fans because that's become a talking point. It's dominant wisdom at work. Something that's been spotted before so people on the lookout for it.
As a defender, most of what you do passes unnoticed. The positional play that cuts off attacks before they start. The easy challenges, the tidying up, the shepherding out... Occasionally you have to make a worldy block or challenge, or get to play a Sid pass. And when a goal goes in there's usually something you might have done differently to stop it. Mings is very good at his job, sometimes ridiculously good, sometimes not. That's the same for every top level centre back in history.
But against Chelsea, under no pressure at all, he calmly headed the ball straight to Mason Mount. It was as piss poor a piece of defending as you'll see all season, and cost us the game. I don't recall many of our other top defenders down the years doing stuff like that.
It was a fuck up but it didn't cost us the game.
If we scored more goals or at least attacked more then the faults would be less obvious.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on October 19, 2022, 10:34:36 AM
or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error
I think you need to watch the highlights again. He had all the time in the world, and the nearest Chelsea player in Sterling was about 6 feet away. It was simply a case of him getting it badly wrong and heading it towards goal instead of away. Absolutely terrible piece of play.
I don't need to watch the highlights - I've already seen them and I was there at the game.
It was an error no doubt - they happen.
Our defensive record on the whole is OK.
His mistake was now worse than, say, Ings not heading downwards, or Bailey misjudging the flight of the cross and mis-timing his jump, or indeed Martinez expecting the ball to curve toward him instead of going straight on.
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2022, 11:43:20 AM
If you want to make out it's a crime against football and focus on every time it happens you will paint a false picture of an incompetent defender. Nothing wrong with talking about it and laughing/crying/shouting over it, but it too often gets extrapolated into Mings being a series of calamitous and costly errors. No more true than if I claimed he was a faultless rock.
See also Maguire, H. He's not the messiah, but he's also a bloody good footballer - once you you strip away the hyperbolic pant-wetting every time he doesn't resemble a rosily false memory of Beckenbauer.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 19, 2022, 12:59:18 PM
I agree, the ball spun from the deflection and he got too far under it and as he leaned back it spun off his head backwards, instead of forwards. It's not like he was deliberately trying to head it back towards goal. Yes it was a mistake, but I wouldn;t say "he headed it straight to Mount" as that implies intention to head it that way.or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error
I think you need to watch the highlights again. He had all the time in the world, and the nearest Chelsea player in Sterling was about 6 feet away. It was simply a case of him getting it badly wrong and heading it towards goal instead of away. Absolutely terrible piece of play.
I don't need to watch the highlights - I've already seen them and I was there at the game.
It was an error no doubt - they happen.
Our defensive record on the whole is OK.
His mistake was now worse than, say, Ings not heading downwards, or Bailey misjudging the flight of the cross and mis-timing his jump, or indeed Martinez expecting the ball to curve toward him instead of going straight on.
Post by: Hillbilly on October 19, 2022, 01:09:04 PM
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Tony Adams was 30 and Steve Bould 33 when Wenger rocked up at Arsenal. Both were figures of fun before and thought to be past it. Both were held in high regard as players by the time they quit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 19, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: john e on October 19, 2022, 01:35:40 PM
That McGrath bloke did alright, too.
Yeah but he never made a mistake which is why he’s known as God
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Tony Adams was 30 and Steve Bould 33 when Wenger rocked up at Arsenal. Both were figures of fun before and thought to be past it. Both were held in high regard as players by the time they quit.
Tony Adams who had captained England to the Euro 96 semi finals a few months before Wenger arrived? That Tony Adams?
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 19, 2022, 01:58:46 PM
or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error
It wasn't understandable or unfortunate let's be honest. He had more than enough time to adjust his feet to clear it with a simple header. He just got it all wrong, Bambi on ice stuff. 100% at fault for that goal.
Martinez takes the bulk of blame for the second, equally shocking. He made the cardinal sin of taking a chance of moving away from the side he was covering. Even at that, I thought he showed the agility of a Kalinic or Bunn to correct his feet quickly. The shot was nowhere near the corner. At fault for both goals at Arsenal? Mistakes adding up and nowhere near as good with the ball as he used to be.
Post by: frank black on October 19, 2022, 02:01:15 PM
That McGrath bloke did alright, too.
Yeah but he never made a mistake which is why he’s known as God
Oh he made plenty. I’ve witnessed him score a fair few own goals. Brilliant play 99.9% of the time mind.
Post by: frank black on October 19, 2022, 02:05:28 PM
or the deflection which caused the ball to spin higher than anticipated induced an unfortunate but understandable error
It wasn't understandable or unfortunate let's be honest. He had more than enough time to adjust his feet to clear it with a simple header. He just got it all wrong, Bambi on ice stuff. 100% at fault for that goal.
Martinez takes the bulk of blame for the second, equally shocking. He made the cardinal sin of taking a chance of moving away from the side he was covering. Even at that, I thought he showed the agility of a Kalinic or Bunn to correct his feet quickly. The shot was nowhere near the corner. At fault for both goals at Arsenal? Mistakes adding up and nowhere near as good with the ball as he used to be.
It was perfectly understandable from where I was sat. He was preparing to jump just as it deflected and it hit him one the head on his way down. The ball could have gone in any direction as he had no way to control it. Classed as an error, but an understandable one, from a player that has rarely mistimed an header.
Post by: LeeB on October 19, 2022, 02:05:31 PM
That McGrath bloke did alright, too.
Yeah but he never made a mistake which is why he’s known as God
Oh he made plenty. I’ve witnessed him score a fair few own goals. Brilliant play 99.9% of the time mind.
The mistakes were just him trying to be fair to all of his children, not just us.
Post by: frank black on October 19, 2022, 02:06:59 PM
That McGrath bloke did alright, too.
Yeah but he never made a mistake which is why he’s known as God
Oh he made plenty. I’ve witnessed him score a fair few own goals. Brilliant play 99.9% of the time mind.
The mistakes were just him trying to be fair to all of his children, not just us.
Amen
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
He will start against Fulham.
Hes not totally fit so maybe that will be amother reason he may not.
Ankle.
Post by: gpbarr on October 19, 2022, 08:43:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 19, 2022, 08:45:33 PM
It wasn't understandable or unfortunate let's be honest. He had more than enough time to adjust his feet to clear it with a simple header. He just got it all wrong, Bambi on ice stuff. 100% at fault for that goal.
Martinez takes the bulk of blame for the second, equally shocking. He made the cardinal sin of taking a chance of moving away from the side he was covering. Even at that, I thought he showed the agility of a Kalinic or Bunn to correct his feet quickly. The shot was nowhere near the corner. At fault for both goals at Arsenal? Mistakes adding up and nowhere near as good with the ball as he used to be.
Love Emi, but agree with all that.
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2022, 09:06:20 PM
Tyrone isn’t a top 6 PL CH. But neither is he the reason we are where we are at in the table.
My old man used to say that Blues had some really good goalkeepers, but they had to be as they were the busiest player on the pitch. In other words, if he was in a top 6 side he probably wouldn't be facing so much last-ditch defending.
Post by: Hillbilly on October 19, 2022, 10:42:46 PM
As Simon P points out Adams used to get pelters and the donkey tag really stuck. Adams himself says that he became a better player under Wenger.
Horse has bolted. Mings will only ever improve once Gerrard leaves.
Mings is only 5 months off his 30th birthday. What you see is what you get with him, and he's unlikely to get much better.
Tony Adams was 30 and Steve Bould 33 when Wenger rocked up at Arsenal. Both were figures of fun before and thought to be past it. Both were held in high regard as players by the time they quit.
Tony Adams who had captained England to the Euro 96 semi finals a few months before Wenger arrived? That Tony Adams?
Post by: brontebilly on October 20, 2022, 12:06:32 AM
Tyrone isn’t a top 6 PL CH. But neither is he the reason we are where we are at in the table.
My old man used to say that Blues had some really good goalkeepers, but they had to be as they were the busiest player on the pitch. In other words, if he was in a top 6 side he probably wouldn't be facing so much last-ditch defending.
His limitations with the ball would be exposed more then too. He's absolutely fine for where we are now. 3-4 head scratching ricks a season, that's his first out of the way.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2022, 09:57:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2022, 09:58:07 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2022, 10:08:26 AM
A goal and an assist in his last two games. Surely Southgate can't ignore him now?Vey good!
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2022, 10:10:54 AM
Tyrone isn’t a top 6 PL CH. But neither is he the reason we are where we are at in the table.
My old man used to say that Blues had some really good goalkeepers, but they had to be as they were the busiest player on the pitch. In other words, if he was in a top 6 side he probably wouldn't be facing so much last-ditch defending.
His limitations with the ball would be exposed more then too. He's absolutely fine for where we are now. 3-4 head scratching ricks a season, that's his first out of the way.
Second in two games, that own goal was appalling. Again his right foot is only for standing on..did stop a certain goal but didn't seem to fancy fronting up to Mitrovic all night.
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2022, 11:09:03 AM
Tyrone isn’t a top 6 PL CH. But neither is he the reason we are where we are at in the table.
My old man used to say that Blues had some really good goalkeepers, but they had to be as they were the busiest player on the pitch. In other words, if he was in a top 6 side he probably wouldn't be facing so much last-ditch defending.
His limitations with the ball would be exposed more then too. He's absolutely fine for where we are now. 3-4 head scratching ricks a season, that's his first out of the way.
Second in two games, that own goal was appalling. Again his right foot is only for standing on..did stop a certain goal but didn't seem to fancy fronting up to Mitrovic all night.
Which is untrue because he got in the way of a Mitrovic chance near the end which made him put it wide.
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2022, 11:16:22 AM
A goal and an assist in his last two games. Surely Southgate can't ignore him now?Played his part massively in getting rid of Steven.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 21, 2022, 11:44:28 AM
I don't think he could have done much about the og although I've only seen it once. Hard struck cross, facing your own goal, in those types of situations the ball can go anywhere as anyone who has played football to any level will know.
I'm looking for the confidence levels of a number of players including Tyrone to improve, now action has been taken and when a new proper manager is in role. UTV!
Post by: London Villan on October 21, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 21, 2022, 12:11:41 PM
When you pick a battle with the leader of the dressing room it means someone has to lose. Mings has his faults, but Gerrard's man-management has been disastrous.This.
Post by: Nev on October 21, 2022, 12:22:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 21, 2022, 12:32:40 PM
Had Sanchez not been injured I have no doubt that Mings would've been gone by now. He was Smith's man, popular with all and sundry and evidently more popular than Gerrard. The manager had to quickly change tack once Carlos was ruled out, but I think he didn't "fancy him" in football parlance. Nothing wrong with that, you stand and fall by those decisions but the way he went about it made me think that he didn't want that responsibility so decided to try and force the player into making the decision to leave.
I agree Nev.
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2022, 01:12:32 PM
Had Sanchez not been injured I have no doubt that Mings would've been gone by now. He was Smith's man, popular with all and sundry and evidently more popular than Gerrard. The manager had to quickly change tack once Carlos was ruled out, but I think he didn't "fancy him" in football parlance. Nothing wrong with that, you stand and fall by those decisions but the way he went about it made me think that he didn't want that responsibility so decided to try and force the player into making the decision to leave.
Gerrard did bring Mings back after the Bournemouth debacle and partner him with Carlos though v Everton. But I always thought after we won that game, with Mings playing very well, that Gerrard would have difficulties down the line. When you publicly take on a senior player like that as an inexperienced coach, you have to win that battle. Within a couple of weeks Gerrard was as reliant on Mings as ever.
Mings to be fair played well in nearly every game since aside from the last two where he was dreadful.
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2022, 01:19:28 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2022, 09:35:15 AM
As they'll split and with Tyrone naturally let footed and an original left back I feel he'll be ok positionally and Emery will look to improve his concentration when making his passes forward.
There may be the odd error or two as Villa look to use a build up play but I feel Mings will be more comfortable and ready for the new beginning under a first class coach who we must think will rate Mings.
Post by: Astnor on October 26, 2022, 11:07:42 AM
Emery likes his central defenders to play put from the back.Mings is England team class at what he is doing. Our defence look very solid with him ie run up and tackle/ stop break aways from the opponents, aerial dominance etc. Problem is he hasnt (to a lesser degree than Cash but still) the bodily calmness and control of his body and his foot on the ball and technical ability in this to play out from the back at ease. Under pressure he will rush and hoof it (as Cash will do even more). This is way Diego Carlos where bought IMO and you could easily see he was so much better in this matters. I dont feel Mings (or Cash) will be more comfortable in this in the new beginning as this is something that not are things that you get much better on by exercise or something else IMO. Sorry.
As they'll split and with Tyrone naturally let footed and an original left back I feel he'll be ok positionally and Emery will look to improve his concentration when making his passes forward.
There may be the odd error or two as Villa look to use a build up play but I feel Mings will be more comfortable and ready for the new beginning under a first class coach who we must think will rate Mings.
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2022, 11:40:08 AM
Post by: Astnor on October 26, 2022, 11:43:37 AM
In a 4-2-3-1 with Dedoncker and Luiz in front of him, he hasn't got to play it out very far before somebody much better on the ball gets it, and hopefully then sets us off on an attack. The problem comes when we play 4-3-3, and he has to try to pass it further to somebody like McGinn, who would then quite often give the ball straight away.Good point.
Post by: brontebilly on October 26, 2022, 11:51:05 AM
Emery likes his central defenders to play put from the back.Mings is England team class at what he is doing. Our defence look very solid with him ie run up and tackle/ stop break aways from the opponents, aerial dominance etc. Problem is he hasnt (to a lesser degree than Cash but still) the bodily calmness and control of his body and his foot on the ball and technical ability in this to play out from the back at ease. Under pressure he will rush and hoof it (as Cash will do even more). This is way Diego Carlos where bought IMO and you could easily see he was so much better in this matters. I dont feel Mings (or Cash) will be more comfortable in this in the new beginning as this is something that not are things that you get much better on by exercise or something else IMO. Sorry.
As they'll split and with Tyrone naturally let footed and an original left back I feel he'll be ok positionally and Emery will look to improve his concentration when making his passes forward.
There may be the odd error or two as Villa look to use a build up play but I feel Mings will be more comfortable and ready for the new beginning under a first class coach who we must think will rate Mings.
Don't disagree re Mings but I'm not sure anything could be seen with Carlos over 2 games. He had a shocker v Bournemouth with and without the ball. At fault for Everton's goal and then injured.
Mings inability to turn onto his right side, not to mind his right foot, will always hold him (and eventually us) back. If an opponent forces him onto his right side at all, he will usually turn and hoof it (or worse and run with it instead) But he's fine for what we need right now.
Unfortunately Konsa isn't helping matters either in terms of building out play from the back. First two balls he got after half time against Fulham he booted them straight out of play under little pressure. Not sure about Cash, he's a bit lazy I think on the ball and takes the easy option at times. The extra body next to Luiz in midfield should help them all.
Post by: Goldenballs on October 26, 2022, 07:36:24 PM
Post by: mrfuse on October 26, 2022, 08:01:48 PM
In a 4-2-3-1 with Dedoncker and Luiz in front of him, he hasn't got to play it out very far before somebody much better on the ball gets it, and hopefully then sets us off on an attack. The problem comes when we play 4-3-3, and he has to try to pass it further to somebody like McGinn, who would then quite often give the ball straight away.
This is always my thinking about playing out from the back, its down to everyone and obviously midfield to give the defenders options to allow them to do so. Under Gerrard there was just no movement and the stats backed this up as we were the worst team in the league for running about.
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 26, 2022, 08:07:06 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 26, 2022, 09:13:31 PM
True.In a 4-2-3-1 with Dedoncker and Luiz in front of him, he hasn't got to play it out very far before somebody much better on the ball gets it, and hopefully then sets us off on an attack. The problem comes when we play 4-3-3, and he has to try to pass it further to somebody like McGinn, who would then quite often give the ball straight away.Good point.
The system we played on Sunday suits Mings and the rest of the defense down to the ground and you could tell that they seemed to have much less of the ball and much less of that dreadful crab like sideways passing.
Post by: ROBBO on October 27, 2022, 07:02:46 AM
Post by: algy on October 27, 2022, 07:21:55 AM
In a 4-2-3-1 with Dedoncker and Luiz in front of him, he hasn't got to play it out very far before somebody much better on the ball gets it, and hopefully then sets us off on an attack. The problem comes when we play 4-3-3, and he has to try to pass it further to somebody like McGinn, who would then quite often give the ball straight away.I think this is it. Gerrard played a system that put a lot of responsibility (too much IMO) on the 2 central defenders. Basically expected him to be bloody Lothar Matthaus every game. He couldn't have been further away from playing to Tyrone's strengths.
Take pressure off him, he'll be perfectly fine for a top half PL side.
Post by: Goldenballs on October 27, 2022, 07:23:32 AM
If he's not going to be a starter then I'd give it Mings. Ignore the shite from Gerrard about it putting too much pressure on him. He's always been likely to drop an occasional bollock, always has been and always will. He's still great captain material for us.
Post by: jwarry on October 27, 2022, 07:43:32 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 27, 2022, 08:40:42 AM
Apparently Unai likes to put the captaincy to an anonymous player vote, which is probably the best way to do it so no one is pissed offdid he make Xhaka captain at Arsenal?
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 27, 2022, 08:55:01 AM
Would you make him Captain again? if not who? If Ash is keeping his position I would go for him in the short term.
I really like the way Danks dealt with the captaincy compared to the real hash in man management that was Gerrard. No fuss from Danks, no interviews, McGinn ‘rested’, Martinez skipper.
Personally, id keep it as Emi, i know there can be issues with keepers having the arm band, but he’s clearly a leader on the pitch, clearly vocal, a massive expert in shithousery. At the same not having the arm band doesnt stop Young and Mings being leaders on the pitch.
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2022, 08:58:18 AM
Apparently Unai likes to put the captaincy to an anonymous player vote, which is probably the best way to do it so no one is pissed off
That sounds a bit weak to me.
Post by: Rigadon on October 27, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 27, 2022, 10:28:58 AM
Apparently Unai likes to put the captaincy to an anonymous player vote, which is probably the best way to do it so no one is pissed off
That sounds a bit weak to me.
Not necessarily weak, but it might prove a bit awkward if they vote for Sanson.
Post by: paul_e on October 27, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
For now I'd leave it with Emi.
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2022, 11:40:13 AM
Martinez for me is the only guaranteed starter in our squad though I'm a bit reticent to give it to a 'keeper because captains usually get more leeway to chat to the ref and you need your goalie to stay where he is.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 27, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
I think letting the players elect who leads them on the pitch is a good idea personally. Same with the penalty taker for that matter.
I don't, it should definitely be the manager's choice.
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2022, 03:19:20 PM
As Dennis Mortimer put it, the captain's job is to toss a coin and pick up trophies.
Though hasn't he revelled in it since. And who can blame him.
Post by: eamonn on October 27, 2022, 04:15:38 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2022, 04:31:27 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2022, 04:38:26 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2022, 04:53:30 PM
Regarding his view of all that a captain does, I think that may be correct for a very, very small number of teams; where all the players are leaders, know their role in the team and execute it well. Just look at the team he was captain of. Gut feeling says it was easy being captain in 1980-81 because the personnel never changed and the manager got everyone playing well.
These days we need our captain to lead from the front, demand more of players and the referee. There are quite a few examples of captains who have pushed their team on to much aplomb.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 27, 2022, 05:41:47 PM
Like I say, that's the way he carries himself. He was captain of the Villa team that won the League and the European Cup. Doesn't get much better than that.
Regarding his view of all that a captain does, I think that may be correct for a very, very small number of teams; where all the players are leaders, know their role in the team and execute it well. Just look at the team he was captain of. Gut feeling says it was easy being captain in 1980-81 because the personnel never changed and the manager got everyone playing well.
These days we need our captain to lead from the front, demand more of players and the referee. There are quite a few examples of captains who have pushed their team on to much aplomb.
Yeah, we just sacked one
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2022, 05:59:11 PM
Like I say, that's the way he carries himself. He was captain of the Villa team that won the League and the European Cup. Doesn't get much better than that.
Regarding his view of all that a captain does, I think that may be correct for a very, very small number of teams; where all the players are leaders, know their role in the team and execute it well. Just look at the team he was captain of. Gut feeling says it was easy being captain in 1980-81 because the personnel never changed and the manager got everyone playing well.
These days we need our captain to lead from the front, demand more of players and the referee. There are quite a few examples of captains who have pushed their team on to much aplomb.
Yes the game has changed massively in 40 years. Miles bigger squads, players earning hundreds of thousands a week, "professional" refs, VAR, every second of every match covered by a million cameras, social media, players diving and cheating, players from dozens of different countries, players being fitter and everything a lot faster, and everybody just being under miles more pressure to succeed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 27, 2022, 09:08:20 PM
Like I say, that's the way he carries himself. He was captain of the Villa team that won the League and the European Cup. Doesn't get much better than that.
Regarding his view of all that a captain does, I think that may be correct for a very, very small number of teams; where all the players are leaders, know their role in the team and execute it well. Just look at the team he was captain of. Gut feeling says it was easy being captain in 1980-81 because the personnel never changed and the manager got everyone playing well.
These days we need our captain to lead from the front, demand more of players and the referee. There are quite a few examples of captains who have pushed their team on to much aplomb.
I think you're reading quite a lot into what was clearly a throwaway line.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 12:26:08 PM
My main concern is not Mings but more the passing from Emi Martinez to Mings and the goalkeepers other distribution to his defence and decisions on who and how to pass and play the ball in regards to possession and build up play by Martinez
I think Bednarek will be ok on the ball and passes well however Emery plays with a high line of defence and Mings is the only one with any pace as a centre back.
And can match most attackers.
Remains to be seen where Chambers fits in with all this.
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 03:20:44 PM
Martinez's distribution is some of the best I've ever seen from a goalie. I think he was told to hold on to the ball for longer after our bad start to the season, but that's not his fault. That ball where he fizzed it out to Young(?) against Brentford was superb.Really? We have differing views by some distance. A bit like Emi kicking lenth compared to others!
If you actually saw a goalkeeper with quality distribution, I imagine you would be overcome as Martinez isn't that in my view.
Maybe you're biassed or don't know about these other teams goalkeepers who are superior at passing and distribution of the football. But if talking on Villa- Pepe Reina had better distribution of the ball to me. Granted likes of Nyland make Martinez look elite passer.
I will write anything further on the Martinez thread as there's plenty of cause for concern which will be identified.
I am upon agreement that his pass versus Brentford was outstanding but that was an exception from my observations.
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2022, 03:22:25 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 03:30:34 PM
I can't decide whether I'm biassed or if I'm just not blessed with your amazing powers of analysis. Tough one, I'll let you know.To be fair many find you have many great insights as well we just disagree on the levels of Martinez ability on this one -that's all.
It's observations we have that vary and to me I have future concerns for Villa passing out from the back that could lead to problems which start with goalkeeper and not Mings or any defender -that's all.
Post by: Ger Regan on October 29, 2022, 11:40:11 AM
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Even for Tyrone Mings — one of Aston Villa’s longest-serving players — this season has been a rollercoaster of emotions.
Losing the club captaincy over the summer and then his place in the starting XI for the opening game of the season hurt.
“I could sit here and say that it didn’t affect me, but it did,” he tells The Athletic. “I just didn’t let it affect me in a negative way and that is something that I’m really proud of.
“It was a very difficult start to the season and there’s no getting away from it. How I’ve managed to put that to one side and play well is certainly my biggest achievement this season.”
Mings, who is in good form for Villa, has won promotion to the Premier League, stayed up on the final day of the season and lost in a League Cup final during four eventful years at the club.
He is about to play under his third manager in Unai Emery, a challenge that brings mixed emotions.
“It’s unnerving because it’s not as easy as saying everything is going to be amazing now there’s a new manager,” he says.
“You also have to prove yourself again. But it’s exciting because of what he has done with the Villarreal players and the big results he has achieved.
“That to me is the sign of a manager… that he can really squeeze every last bit of motivation, emotion, energy and enthusiasm out of the players he’s working with. He must be doing something very well between Monday to Friday to make the players really want to play for him and believe in what he is doing, and every 90 minutes, really go to the well for him.”
Emery’s appointment has lifted the uncertainty following Steven Gerrard’s sacking last week but, for Mings, he’s seen all this before.
“Myself, Jed Steer and John McGinn are the only survivors from the play-off squad and I was talking with Jed only this week about our time at the club,” he continues. “A lot has happened. A lot!
“Players are always looking for motivation but for me, it feels like there has been something different every week this season; first it was getting back into the team, then trying to prove people wrong, then trying to save the manager’s job, now trying to impress a new manager… and we’re not even at the World Cup yet.”
Mings is discussing the season so far while pinging balls off the crossbar for a photoshoot ahead of this year’s Emirates FA Cup, which gets underway next month and will use a Mitre ball. “I swear all the best goals are scored with a Mitre ball,” he says laughing. Full disclosure, Mings is speaking to The Athletic as a brand ambassador for Mitre.
He’d love to see more of the ball, though, because in the months ahead, there is one aim that stands out for him — adding a major trophy to his list of Villa achievements.
“That’s something I would love to deliver,” he says. “It would be massive. If you ask all Villa fans, they would probably place winning the FA Cup higher than climbing up the Premier League, so we’re aware of the expectations and we know we should be competing.”
Mings is also aware that climbing away from the relegation zone and closer to the European positions is the target first and foremost. Emery has been appointed by co-owners Nassef Sawiris, Wes Edens and CEO Christian Purslow to steer the club away from their lowly position. His record in cup competitions — he has won the Europa League four times — will give Villa an edge when the knockout games continue, first as Villa take on Manchester United in the Carabao Cup, and then into 2023 when the FA Cup gets underway.
Mings has no problems with internal or external expectations, either. Dreaming big is his outlook, too.
He describes Villa’s play-off final win in 2019 as the “best day of his life” and wants to feel such highs again.
There’s also a sense of pride at what he achieved with England in the 2021 European Championships despite the heartbreaking defeat to Italy in the final.
“The football side will go down in history but what we did off the pitch was equally as important,” he says.
“OK, we were unable to go one step further but in a time where the country needed it, it brought one of the best summers after what was a really tough period for a lot of people.”
His record with the national team helps build confidence in times of reflection.
In the 17 games Mings has played, England have recorded 14 clean sheets. The 29-year-old started the first two games of the last Euros when Harry Maguire was injured and performed well.
“I judge my performances based on how I come out of big moments and whether I was able to come out on the right side of them,” he says.
“I look at my record with England where I know the whole country is relying on me and watching or waiting in anticipation of how I play because often I’m seen as the new face in the team and I’m so dialled-in. It comes as second nature.”
Despite his recent top form for Villa that earned plaudits from his former manager and plenty of praise from the supporters, there are still moments that Mings has not been happy with.
Allowing Mason Mount to score in a 2-0 defeat to Chelsea, for example, is playing on his mind.
“Against Chelsea, I think I played well, other than that header (which led to the goal).” he adds. “People say that you bounced back from it, but I don’t want to bounce back from it because I don’t want to have the mistake in the first place.
“As a centre-back — and an elite-level centre-back, which I want to be classed as — in the big moments you have to be coming out on top. If it is a big moment in the game that I get wrong, that lasts way more than a big moment in a game I get right.
“I don’t want to be on the wrong end of big moments. It’s not something I want in my game. Sometimes it’s down to concentration. It’s what I have to be aware of in my game.”
Embarking on this new era will help realign the focus, although Mings says it is “tinged with sadness” because Gerrard and his support team lost their jobs.
“When I was captain, I took a lot on board because I care about the club. I would take a lot of it home with me. If we hadn’t won, I would be really down.
“If I had not played well, I would be really down because I took my role of captain really seriously. I wanted to do well for both Dean Smith and Steven Gerrard.”
He’s also built a deep connection with the supporters after settling in the West Midlands and now performing in his fourth campaign at the club.
“At the start of this season, I felt a wave of support which maybe I didn’t even know I was there,” Mings says about his short time out of the team.
“That has enabled me to play to a higher level this season. There’s nothing better than fans singing your name and really appreciating what I’ve done for the club. I don’t want to be in the team because I got the club promoted, though. I want to be in the team because I’m playing well.
“In the very first interview I did with the club when I joined on loan they asked me, ‘What can we expect of you?’.
“I said I am someone who likes to leave everything on the pitch and hopefully the Villa fans can see that I continue to do that.”
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Is this fact, opinion or snooker?
Yes, Yes and Yes.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 10, 2022, 11:41:48 AM
He has said that neither Tomori or Guehi will be in the squad ... maybe that opens up a spot for Tyrone?
In other tweets he suggests Tammy Abraham and Toney will not go, meaning Wilson is likely to get the nod. That would be typical dumb decision by Southgate (if it happens) ... though it will keep the physios busy. UTV
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 10, 2022, 11:58:08 AM
Would it? Wilson is in form, Tammy isn't and Toney seems to have the betting unpleasantness hanging around him.Re Wilson, quite right he's found some form (now aged 30) though he's made of glass and as a back-up player that makes him a dumb selection IMO.
It's 8 or 9 years since he managed anywhere near a full season. Plus he's a dirty player, so likely to fall foul of hyper vigilent WC refs.
Can you tell I don't like him ;)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 12:08:07 PM
Matt Law of the Telegraph is tweeting about who is not in the England squad, and he is generally well informed.My calculations.
He has said that neither Tomori or Guehi will be in the squad ... maybe that opens up a spot for Tyrone?
The squad is made up of 26 and would be looking at 8 to 9 defenders
Mings has big opportunities as a left footer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 12:28:45 PM
Would it? Wilson is in form, Tammy isn't and Toney seems to have the betting unpleasantness hanging around him.
Yeah, it isn't Southgate's fault that Toney is a twat.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 12:31:32 PM
That leak was deliberate so Toney won't be going. Theory being to allow room for Rashford.Would it? Wilson is in form, Tammy isn't and Toney seems to have the betting unpleasantness hanging around him.
Yeah, it isn't Southgate's fault that Toney is a twat.
But other players at bigger clubs get protceted and still given chances despite their shortcomings off the pitch over the years.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 10, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Shaw - he is that overweight he makes me look like an athlete
Dier - Absolute garbage
Slabhead - cannot get a sniff at United
Rashford - Garbage
Sterling - stinking Chelsea out at present
Greedy - told to go and play for a "big" team yet only plays intermittently
Walker - who is a good player but always seemingly injured
If there is no Villa presence in the team i really don't give a toss about England to be honest - Hope Emi wins it and for Messi to be crowned the greatest ever player
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 10, 2022, 01:47:23 PM
Seems likely that Mings is in.Beginning to look that way :)
Chuffed for him - if confirmed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 01:57:51 PM
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some jobs for the boys at the back
That was my thought too. I see Coady's in, so England can go 5 at the back against the good teams.
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Post by: astonvilla82 on November 10, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Let's face it before the rumours this morning non of us expected him to be in. I personally think he's good enough, but missing the last squad and then a couple of high profile errors when Southgate has been watching us since has killed any chance he did have.he must have missed McGuire's cockups, probably have his Manchester United glasses on
Post by: The Man With A Stick on November 10, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 10, 2022, 02:31:06 PM
Post by: Gerrin on November 10, 2022, 02:32:21 PM
Fuck Gareth Southgate. You complete wanker. Eric Fucking Dier over Mings or Tomori. What a joke.
Coady and Dier ahead of Mings, think it's fair to say Soutghate thinks Tyrone is shit.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2022, 02:34:07 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 10, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
I hope he uses this disappointment as fuel to push on this season. Let's face it, Southgate is a sham and won't be England manager after this tournament - Calling it right now, Chelsea will axe Potter and he'll take over the England reigns.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 02:35:12 PM
Coady has been playing well this season and deserves to be in. Maguire, not so much.
Also Coady is more used to playing in the formation that dare not speak its name.
Post by: Diablo on November 10, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Well England's loss I'm hoping is our gain. UTV!
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 10, 2022, 02:37:39 PM
Tyrone can tonight show Southgate what he could have had in his squad.and do a Tony Morley to Southgate on camera
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 10, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
Really don't get the flack that Ty gets from rival fans (and a bunch of our own). He's consistently been one of our better players since joining the club, and we'd be a lot weaker without him - This season especially!because they know jackshit about defending
I hope he uses this disappointment as fuel to push on this season. Let's face it, Southgate is a sham and won't be England manager after this tournament - Calling it right now, Chelsea will axe Potter and he'll take over the England reigns.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 02:40:55 PM
I think he's been playing very well, but with a couple of high profile errors just at the wrong time. I honestly think the team would have been stronger with him in it.
Then Southgate must have missed Eric Dier’s high profile error vs Liverpool the other day. And Maguire has made so many high profile errors he doesn’t even play for his club team.
Post by: Diablo on November 10, 2022, 02:41:00 PM
Maguire must have footage of Southgate felching an alsatian or something, there can be no other explanation.Hahaha! It's the only logical conclusion!
Post by: The Man With A Stick on November 10, 2022, 02:57:04 PM
Really don't get the flack that Ty gets from rival fans (and a bunch of our own). He's consistently been one of our better players since joining the club, and we'd be a lot weaker without him - This season especially!.
Leeds fans loathe him and have got more gammon than Sainsbury's among their support, so draw your own conclusions from that.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 10, 2022, 03:12:56 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 03:14:09 PM
I think unfortunately some defenders and goalkeepers get a reputation for making mistakes, even if they only make as many as their counterparts in other teams. That results in any mistakes they do make being highlighted.
I wonder what has made Mings a target for that.
Post by: MalcolmP on November 10, 2022, 03:19:27 PM
And Alexander Arnold has been responsible for more goals against Liverpool this season than Tyrone has been since he came to Villa and NONE for England, Southgate makes Gerrard look like a world class coach. He has to go.Let's face it before the rumours this morning non of us expected him to be in. I personally think he's good enough, but missing the last squad and then a couple of high profile errors when Southgate has been watching us since has killed any chance he did have.he must have missed McGuire's cockups, probably have his Manchester United glasses on
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 10, 2022, 03:27:01 PM
Dier / Slabhead - why the fuck is he taking 4 right backs????????
The man is a complete clown and the sooner we get knocked out and he goes the better - i then think it is perfect for a certain Mr Gerrard to get the role
Post by: tomd2103 on November 10, 2022, 03:29:06 PM
I think unfortunately some defenders and goalkeepers get a reputation for making mistakes, even if they only make as many as their counterparts in other teams. That results in any mistakes they do make being highlighted.
I wonder what has made Mings a target for that.
If you are implying it's racism, then I'm not too sure about that really as plenty of white players have had that kind of label attached to them. It's only really the Leeds fans that seem to have an issue with him, can't really recall any other fans having a go at him.
I personally find him frustrating at times, as he can be quite lax and sloppy in games. That said, I think he has had far, far more good games during his time with us than poor ones.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 10, 2022, 03:34:14 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 10, 2022, 03:39:49 PM
He's no McGrath, but he should be in ahead of Slabhead and Dier.
If they can play for England then so can I
It just smacks of Mouthgate bottling it and leaving out players from scum 6 who are so out of form it is untrue
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 03:54:16 PM
I sincerely hope the FA did not put pressure on Southgate and that Mings to be left out because he is outspoken and would likely speak out against things, upsetting Qatar and FIFA.He's no McGrath, but he should be in ahead of Slabhead and Dier.
If they can play for England then so can I
It just smacks of Mouthgate bottling it and leaving out players from scum 6 who are so out of form it is untrue
It can be cause for concern that he's been excluded because of other than football reasons.
He's as good as any other central defender selected so it's preferences but as long as it wasn't a political move then will accept it.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 04:03:13 PM
I think unfortunately some defenders and goalkeepers get a reputation for making mistakes, even if they only make as many as their counterparts in other teams. That results in any mistakes they do make being highlighted.
I wonder what has made Mings a target for that.
If you are implying it's racism, then I'm not too sure about that really as plenty of white players have had that kind of label attached to them. It's only really the Leeds fans that seem to have an issue with him, can't really recall any other fans having a go at him.
I personally find him frustrating at times, as he can be quite lax and sloppy in games. That said, I think he has had far, far more good games during his time with us than poor ones.
More that he's so vocal about it. The criticism seemed to increase massively after he started talking about the racism in the Bulgaria game, maybe it was a conincidence but it's not just Leeds fans that have a problem with him and most of the clubs who give him shit are ones that have a bit of a history for this.
Post by: Bully2345 on November 10, 2022, 04:08:21 PM
I sincerely hope the FA did not put pressure on Southgate and that Mings to be left out because he is outspoken and would likely speak out against things, upsetting Qatar and FIFA.He's no McGrath, but he should be in ahead of Slabhead and Dier.
If they can play for England then so can I
It just smacks of Mouthgate bottling it and leaving out players from scum 6 who are so out of form it is untrue
It can be cause for concern that he's been excluded because of other than football reasons.
He's as good as any other central defender selected so it's preferences but as long as it wasn't a political move then will accept it.
I don't think FIFA or the FA are going to be sending memos worrying about Tyrone Mings
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 10, 2022, 04:09:40 PM
I sincerely hope the FA did not put pressure on Southgate and that Mings to be left out because he is outspoken and would likely speak out against things, upsetting Qatar and FIFA.He's no McGrath, but he should be in ahead of Slabhead and Dier.
If they can play for England then so can I
It just smacks of Mouthgate bottling it and leaving out players from scum 6 who are so out of form it is untrue
It can be cause for concern that he's been excluded because of other than football reasons.
He's as good as any other central defender selected so it's preferences but as long as it wasn't a political move then will accept it.
Nice conspiracy theory there bud but, errr no.
Like others have said he more than likely just hasn't got the bottle to leave cunting Maguire out. Honestly, i know i might be biased but to take someone who hasn't been playing much and when he has he's played badly over someone who in recent months has been playing and barring one or two gaffes has been playing well is just fucking stupid.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 10, 2022, 04:11:58 PM
I think unfortunately some defenders and goalkeepers get a reputation for making mistakes, even if they only make as many as their counterparts in other teams. That results in any mistakes they do make being highlighted.
I wonder what has made Mings a target for that.
If you are implying it's racism, then I'm not too sure about that really as plenty of white players have had that kind of label attached to them. It's only really the Leeds fans that seem to have an issue with him, can't really recall any other fans having a go at him.
I personally find him frustrating at times, as he can be quite lax and sloppy in games. That said, I think he has had far, far more good games during his time with us than poor ones.
More that he's so vocal about it. The criticism seemed to increase massively after he started talking about the racism in the Bulgaria game, maybe it was a conincidence but it's not just Leeds fans that have a problem with him and most of the clubs who give him shit are ones that have a bit of a history for this.
Haven't really heard fans from other teams have a go at him at games the way the Leeds fans do.
As for England, he's been out of the picture for a while now, so it's unsurprising he hasn't made the squad. I think he would have a case to have been included given some of the selections in defence and that he can offer a left footed option, but not to be.
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 04:14:10 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 10, 2022, 04:17:56 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on November 10, 2022, 04:28:13 PM
I fully predict the England squad will be in revolt before the World Cup is over, and won't be surprised if Southgate is out of a job by December 1st when England are on the way home having lost to the USA and drawn the other 2 games.
Post by: robleflaneur on November 10, 2022, 04:44:43 PM
One player who I do quite like who would have been better than Dier or Macguire is Trevoh Chalobah. Quick and reads the game really well.Watkins ran rings round him.He was subbed at half time.Struggled v Arsenal as well.
Post by: manic-road on November 10, 2022, 04:45:03 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 10, 2022, 05:02:52 PM
One player who I do quite like who would have been better than Dier or Macguire is Trevoh Chalobah. Quick and reads the game really well.
The one I think who is very unlucky is Tomori. Regular in a team that won Serie A last season and are 2nd this one, and has been playing in the Champions League.
Where I think this could all come unstuck is that there is very little time before the group games begin. It's not like normally when there are weeks of training and a few warm-up games to prepare. This is straight in and players who are well short of game time and fitness could well be caught out.
Post by: eamonn on November 10, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 10, 2022, 05:15:01 PM
We'll be sent home early, Southgate will get his marching orders, Potter's dismal run at Chelsea will continue and he'll get potted, and then he'll be the next England manager. I'd be amazed if Gerrard got it considering the mess he made of us!
You could argue that Mings, Watkins and Dougie could all be packing their bags for Qatar if we'd not had that clown in charge for so long. ☹️
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2022, 05:22:17 PM
Confirms my support of Argentina for the tournament. Probably would have had my Irish passport taken off me for cheering Gareths lads anyway, Villans-involved or not.
Too fückin' right you would. Now go and play the The Wolfetones' 'Admiral William Brown' 10 times as penance.
Post by: TheMalandro on November 10, 2022, 10:04:23 PM
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Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2022, 10:24:54 PM
Personally I reckon Konsa is a bigger concern than Mings.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:25:11 PM
It was a bit daft changing the two centre half’s, although Konsa looked very ropey on the ball tonight. He can defend but his touch is crap.
Personally I reckon Konsa is a bigger concern than Mings.
I agree Konsa is having a struggle to play football however changes are going to be made with how Emery uses squad as a collective and rotations.
Perosnally I think Emery is great how he uses the squad and rotation of players so Mings and the rest have to get use to that too but bit much asking him to come on today.
On Mings
It was a mistake to have him involved because of the disappointment of not making the World Cup his morale would be low.
I feel he will improve again but today was difficult day for him and he then had to slot in and get up to speed.
Post by: Bad English on November 10, 2022, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: OzVilla on November 10, 2022, 10:35:11 PM
Tonight was a great example although I think Olsen scared the shit out of our defence almost as much as the Man Utd forwards did.
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2022, 11:07:32 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2022, 06:28:29 AM
It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.
Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.
Post by: Clive W on November 11, 2022, 07:46:06 AM
Can’t read the game at all.
It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.
Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.
Totally agree but it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him with McGrath
In my lifetime, I can think of only Moore, Baresi and Beckenbeur (sp?) who could be compared with McGrath in their ability to read the game
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2022, 09:08:05 AM
I can see England finishing the group with 4 points - Iran [W], USA [D] and Wales [L].
We'll be sent home early, Southgate will get his marching orders, Potter's dismal run at Chelsea will continue and he'll get potted, and then he'll be the next England manager. I'd be amazed if Gerrard got it considering the mess he made of us!
You could argue that Mings, Watkins and Dougie could all be packing their bags for Qatar if we'd not had that clown in charge for so long. ☹️
Wales are useless. Two 1-0 wins in first two games and a dead rubber in last. The squad seems very light on centre backs as there's no way Walker is match fit and Southgate will play with a back 5.
Post by: Dave on November 11, 2022, 09:27:37 AM
I can see England finishing the group with 4 points - Iran [W], USA [D] and Wales [L].
We'll be sent home early, Southgate will get his marching orders, Potter's dismal run at Chelsea will continue and he'll get potted, and then he'll be the next England manager. I'd be amazed if Gerrard got it considering the mess he made of us!
You could argue that Mings, Watkins and Dougie could all be packing their bags for Qatar if we'd not had that clown in charge for so long. ☹️
Wales are useless. Two 1-0 wins in first two games and a dead rubber in last. The squad seems very light on centre backs as there's no way Walker is match fit and Southgate will play with a back 5.
I'd guess five points, win against Iran and draws against USA and Wales, topping the group. Surprisingly comfortable round of 16 win against Senegal, smashed by France in the quarters.
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2022, 09:51:47 AM
Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight. They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.
I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 09:52:59 AM
Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight. They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.
I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.
I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 09:53:41 AM
Can’t read the game at all.
It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.
Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.
Totally agree but it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him with McGrath
In my lifetime, I can think of only Moore, Baresi and Beckenbeur (sp?) who could be compared with McGrath in their ability to read the game
Agree on both counts on this.
Absolutely, I like Mings but he is a body-on-the-line 'stop the danger once it has begun' defender rather than 'stop it happening in the first place' at which McGrath was a genius.
Post by: Nev on November 11, 2022, 09:54:40 AM
Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight. They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.
I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.
I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.
Well I was shitting myself at home whenever he went near the ball and that was from the outset, goodness knows how the players felt.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 09:54:50 AM
Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight. They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.
I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.
I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.
You could see it when Chambers tried that crazy pass straight to a Man U player rather than trust Olsen with a simple pass. Mind you, the feeling from Olsen was probably similar, Chambers was atrocious.
Post by: LukeJames on November 11, 2022, 09:56:22 AM
Post by: simboy on November 11, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight. They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.
I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.
I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.
You could see it when Chambers tried that crazy pass straight to a Man U player rather than trust Olsen with a simple pass. Mind you, the feeling from Olsen was probably similar, Chambers was atrocious.
Was that the one in the first half?
The Olsen pass for the third was pretty spectacularly shite
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
If you start comparing any player to Paul McGrath, you'll always be disappointed.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 10:51:36 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 10:53:36 AM
Bringing a central defender on is always a strange substitution, Mings is at his best when he's got the ability to read the game and set the tone from the start. Coming on a sub he was just chucking himself about like a mad thing, which wasn't what was required at all.
It's an odd thing being a sub. Some people can come on and fire straight away, others need to work up to speed. I always felt I need 10 minutes and a few touches to get into the game
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2022, 11:09:53 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2022, 11:11:29 AM
Olsen was the main issue last night.Yes indeed. That so called great cross from Garnacho would have been a lob to God's forehead.
If you start comparing any player to Paul McGrath, you'll always be disappointed.
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2022, 11:16:09 AM
Bringing a central defender on is always a strange substitution, Mings is at his best when he's got the ability to read the game and set the tone from the start. Coming on a sub he was just chucking himself about like a mad thing, which wasn't what was required at all.
It's an odd thing being a sub. Some people can come on and fire straight away, others need to work up to speed. I always felt I need 10 minutes and a few touches to get into the game
I agree, Lee, I think it’s why managers if they have players who can make an immediate impact as a sub they then sometimes ignore the clamour to pick them from the start.
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 11:20:51 AM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 11:25:31 AM
Is there any reason why he came on? Was someone injured?
It was just a straight swap for Konsa, who didn't appear to be struggling. We'd just conceded the second so I think Emery wanted to tighten up, but it had the opposite effect. To be honest, with Olsen in goal it was all just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
Post by: dr.chekov on November 11, 2022, 11:25:44 AM
Is there any reason why he came on? Was someone injured?
Konsa lost possession trying to play out from the back a couple of minutes before (as he had a few times before), I put it down to that.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2022, 11:41:42 AM
Is there any reason why he came on? Was someone injured?
Konsa lost possession trying to play out from the back a couple of minutes before (as he had a few times before), I put it down to that.
Me too. But then, Olsen would have been replaced too surely?
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2022, 12:21:50 PM
I felt bad for Mings, he was thrown in just as Yanited were in the ascendancy and he had little time to get a feel for the game. The flailing and deflecting for the goal like an amateur was unfortunate.
He's an experienced player and should have been able to deal with. I suspect his head was elsewhere after the disappointing news earlier in the day. Might have been expecting a night stewing on the bench. Surprising sub unless Konsa was injured..
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 12:35:44 PM
Post by: Dave on November 11, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
I felt bad for Mings, he was thrown in just as Yanited were in the ascendancy and he had little time to get a feel for the game. The flailing and deflecting for the goal like an amateur was unfortunate.
He's an experienced player and should have been able to deal with. I suspect his head was elsewhere after the disappointing news earlier in the day. Might have been expecting a night stewing on the bench. Surprising sub unless Konsa was injured..
I'm not sure yesterday would have thrown him all that much. Apart from a 20 minute period on the internet, triggered (seemingly) by a change in betting odds there was never any serious talk of him going. He hasn't been in an England squad since March, it was never likely that he'd suddenly reappear out of the blue.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:51:07 PM
Konsa also. This is something that demands attention to detail in bringing about more options and more comfort on the ball
It's also the duty of Kamara and Luiz to offer assistance in those situations.
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2022, 02:55:50 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2022, 06:45:28 PM
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1591858271929118720
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 13, 2022, 06:48:11 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2022, 06:59:21 PM
I love him.what a fucking geezer
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1591858271929118720
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 13, 2022, 07:04:40 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 13, 2022, 07:07:44 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 13, 2022, 07:11:54 PM
Probably got booked for taking his shirt off! ;)I love him.what a fucking geezer
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1591858271929118720
Post by: Lizz on November 13, 2022, 08:19:29 PM
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2022, 08:21:37 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 13, 2022, 08:26:58 PM
He was dreadful for the first half an hour but magnificent by the end. The challenge for Emery is to Mings him to play consistently well.
Mings is very vulnerable against a high press from the opposition. The chronic weakness on his right side again exposed for that yellow card today. If we want to be able to play out from the back against most teams (Van Der Been/Ronaldo aside), I think ultimately Mings is disposable.
Fair play to him for his second half performance today.
Post by: dr.chekov on November 13, 2022, 08:56:55 PM
I love him.
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1591858271929118720
So do I.
Post by: boozey182 on November 14, 2022, 11:18:38 AM
I can't claim to know too much about players that don't play for us, but my understanding is that Lewis Dunk and the little angry fella that Man United play at centre back are two of the more highly regarded CBs in the league - Dunk tipped for the England squad by many. Our last four (maybe five) league goals have all come as a direct result of mistakes by these two centre backs. If Tyrone would have made any of these errors, I can't help but feel like it would have drawn a lot more criticism than either of these two seem to have faced.
Tyrone has been very good this season. I love having him at our club, and I hope he continues to improve under Emery - he strikes me as the type of person that will respond well to some proper coaching.
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
Post by: London Villan on November 14, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
To add to this, Wolves have binned their dressing room leader and look what has happened to their defence since....
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2022, 11:44:02 AM
To add to this, Wolves have binned their dressing room leader and look what has happened to their defence since....
Look what's happened to Everton's since they bought him!
Post by: simon ward 50 on November 14, 2022, 12:47:22 PM
I love him.
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1591858271929118720
Top man!
Post by: robleflaneur on November 14, 2022, 01:03:00 PM
I know it's been said many times, but Tyrone gets a lot more than his fair share of criticism.
I can't claim to know too much about players that don't play for us, but my understanding is that Lewis Dunk and the little angry fella that Man United play at centre back are two of the more highly regarded CBs in the league - Dunk tipped for the England squad by many. Our last four (maybe five) league goals have all come as a direct result of mistakes by these two centre backs. If Tyrone would have made any of these errors, I can't help but feel like it would have drawn a lot more criticism than either of these two seem to have faced.
Tyrone has been very good this season. I love having him at our club, and I hope he continues to improve under Emery - he strikes me as the type of person that will respond well to some proper coaching.
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Exactly what I said about Dunk who often goes to ground when tackling or trying to block in the penalty area.The MOTD pundits have forwarded the names of Gomez,Coady and Tarkowski together,Dier and Maguire,who have made big errors or had poor games in recent weeks.Mings doesn't seem to get any praise for his organisational skills,positioning,aerial prowess and pace but any mislaid,skewed clearance or pass ,in comes the criticism.
Post by: garyellis on November 14, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
Mings is a good centre half - world class no, but definitely top half PL material. But more than that he is a leader, never hides and seems like a good guy too. I think a big part of Gerrard's downfall was publically dressing down Mings. He is clearly well respected and admired by the players and doing that to him didn't really help Slippy's reputation in the dressing room.This 110%
To add to this, Wolves have binned their dressing room leader and look what has happened to their defence since....
Post by: stubbsyandy on November 18, 2022, 12:11:54 AM
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Post by: simboy on November 18, 2022, 07:38:29 AM
Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want
I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 18, 2022, 08:26:48 AM
Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want
I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself.
Probably both - I wouldn't put it past the FA to be thinking along those lines and tell their nodding dog not to pick him. As has been said many times on this thread, we are a better club and team for having Tyrone Mings and long may that continue.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on November 18, 2022, 09:20:45 AM
I love John McGinn, but he's disappeared in a lot of games as captain. We have Mings and Martinez who never shy away, even when they've made a mistake, and are always there trying to lead by example.
As for Mings not being picked for England because he stands up and talks about real issues, I don't believe this is the case. I think back to Yes Minister and the idea that the less you intend to do about something the more you have to talk about it. I think it would suit the FA to have someone like Mings talking about issues that they can point to rather than actually have to do something themselves.
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2022, 09:25:28 AM
Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want
I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself.
Exactly. Southgate was at Villa v Chelsea, and Mings decided that was the perfect time to set up Mount for Chelsea's first. Obviously he's played much better than that at times this season, but you can't be making a howler like that in front of the England boss and expect to keep your place, when you're not one of his favourites to start with.
Post by: Dave on November 18, 2022, 09:38:01 AM
Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want
I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself.
Exactly. Southgate was at Villa v Chelsea, and Mings decided that was the perfect time to set up Mount for Chelsea's first. Obviously he's played much better than that at times this season, but you can't be making a howler like that in front of the England boss and expect to keep your place, when you're not one of his favourites to start with.
Yup. It seems like we basically have Schrödinger's Mings.
Concurrently a liability, a rick waiting to happen who we absolutely need to upgrade on if we want to push on to the European places when discussing his Villa performances but also the best English central defender who only isn't being selected because of his outspokenness. Even though Rashford and Sterling are both in the squad.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 18, 2022, 09:44:47 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2022, 09:47:59 AM
Well, unless you're Harry Maguire. In which case you could smash the ball into your own net five times while singing "he's a massive twat... Gareth Southgate" to the tune of Ultravox's "Vienna" and still get picked.Southgate would probably join in, he likes his players to express themselves.
Post by: nigel on November 18, 2022, 05:30:45 PM
If the rumours are correct either Tyrone or Konza will be looking for a new club next season
What rumours?
I’ve seen or heard nothing
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2022, 07:20:02 PM
Well, unless you're Harry Maguire. In which case you could smash the ball into your own net five times while singing "he's a massive twat... Gareth Southgate" to the tune of Ultravox's "Vienna" and still get picked.Southgate would probably join in, he likes his players to express themselves.
I did qualify my post with "unless you're one of his [Southgate's] favourites."
I think that Southgate has a bad case of imposter sundrome, and his way to stick it to the critics is by not picking players people want him to eg Grealish at the Euros and continuing to play people people say he shouldn't eg Maguire.
Post by: Dave on November 18, 2022, 08:57:16 PM
I think that Southgate has a bad case of imposter sundrome, and his way to stick it to the critics is by not picking players people want him to eg Grealish at the Euros and continuing to play people people say he shouldn't eg Maguire.
I don't really get the Maguire anger. England have got about a dozen semi-decent centre-backs, none of whom would get in the squad of France or Brazil. Picking Maguire isn't choosing him over '90s McGrath or Maldini, it's flipping a coin on him or Conor Coady or Eric Dier for the team, and him or Mings or Guehi for the squad.
And sometimes, the thing that clinches it is "playing really well for you in the past". On his Villa form, Eriksson should have dropped Vassell a long time before he did. But Vassell fitted better in the England system than the Villa one, so he kept getting picked.
If some really promising centre-backs had been brought in a year ago with the plan of making a ten year partnership (I dunno, Tomori and Guehi perhaps) then fine, that should probably have happened.
But it didn't, so we've decided that the guy who was really good in the latter stages of the last two international tournaments is worth sticking with for a bit. It's fine. It's making do with a weak spot in your team in the absence of an obviously better option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 19, 2022, 02:08:39 AM
Post by: Rory on November 19, 2022, 02:54:29 AM
How many bad games has Mings had for England? If that's the main qualification, he should be in.
To be fair, CD, I'm 32, asthmatic, overweight with a knee so dodgy I cannot run, and I haven't played a game of football for 15 years. But I've had no bad games for England...
The only drawback being I've already declared for Ireland, because they guaranteed me a starting spot in the first XI.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 19, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
I think that Southgate has a bad case of imposter sundrome, and his way to stick it to the critics is by not picking players people want him to eg Grealish at the Euros and continuing to play people people say he shouldn't eg Maguire.
I don't really get the Maguire anger. England have got about a dozen semi-decent centre-backs, none of whom would get in the squad of France or Brazil. Picking Maguire isn't choosing him over '90s McGrath or Maldini, it's flipping a coin on him or Conor Coady or Eric Dier for the team, and him or Mings or Guehi for the squad.
And sometimes, the thing that clinches it is "playing really well for you in the past". On his Villa form, Eriksson should have dropped Vassell a long time before he did. But Vassell fitted better in the England system than the Villa one, so he kept getting picked.
If some really promising centre-backs had been brought in a year ago with the plan of making a ten year partnership (I dunno, Tomori and Guehi perhaps) then fine, that should probably have happened.
But it didn't, so we've decided that the guy who was really good in the latter stages of the last two international tournaments is worth sticking with for a bit. It's fine. It's making do with a weak spot in your team in the absence of an obviously better option.
I think a lot of it stems from, the idea (which i agree with) that Maguire has only ever really had one really good season, for Leicester, that got him his move to man yoo. And that the generally very limited centre back that is seen week in week out, isn’t just someone out of form, its actually just Harry Maguire playing his game. He did ok in the 2018 world cup but England didn’t really play anyone until Croatia, leaving aside the 1-0 hammering by Belgium in the group stages. Likewise in the Euro’s he was ok against limited opposition for the most part. He has been utterly dreadful in most England games since then.
So i think a lot of the anti Maguire stuff is based on an unfairness that there are better players out there. Leaving my biased towards Mings aside, Southgate would of been better off doing what you allude to in building a young centre back partnership up over the last two years. I think its shocking Tomori didn’t get in the squad and Coady seems to be there because he’s a good bloke.
But thats Southgate for you, he’s had a good run in the last two tournaments, had some good players, but been lucky with the draw as well. He absolutely made a mess of the Euro final by leaving Grealish on the bench so long, for me he couldn’t stand the idea of Grealish having that furore around him over his favourites like Mount. He might be lucky again this time with the draw, especially if Senegal minus Mane get through to be the second round opponents. but i think him
Belligerently sticking to Maguire, out of form Mount and Sterling, possibly knowing him, giving Kalvin bloody Phillips game time, will be his un-doing this time. I actually think the group wont be easy to get out of.
Post by: Pete3206 on November 19, 2022, 11:58:16 AM
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Post by: Chap on November 19, 2022, 02:21:15 PM
Woah! Has he gone to see his girlfriend?
Now you’re showing your age!!🤣🤣
Post by: Bad English on November 19, 2022, 03:53:29 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 19, 2022, 04:18:57 PM
I was 9 when that came out.I wish that I was ;)
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 19, 2022, 05:16:01 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 19, 2022, 05:20:46 PM
Post by: Chap on November 20, 2022, 01:08:44 PM
I was 9 when that came out.
I was 10. Start of exciting times for the Villa.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 22, 2022, 12:46:22 AM
As my mate said to me about Maguire, he had one v. good season at Leicester where his job was to stick his head on (c. S Bruce) and clear dangerous balls.
Idiots in charge at the Theatre of Debt paid £80m no less and then seemed surprised when he couldn't pass the ball like Sid Cowans or bring it out like Beckenbauer.
Still, like Sancho, he cost so much and he plays for ManYoo so that's enough for Gareth.
Post by: Louzie0 on November 23, 2022, 02:37:03 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2022, 04:23:47 PM
He's always up front in supporter relations, and vocal on the pitch too. I suspect though, that Emery is deciding on his best 11 first and will then focus on the captaincy. Martinez may not be the shoe-in I thought after his World Cup antics.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 03, 2023, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: bob on January 03, 2023, 06:30:57 PM
Just a thought but seeing Mings going with McGinn to lay flowers, and being on the front of the Cubs' Christmas cards with McGinn and Lehmann, makes me wonder if the club realise the mistake in removing the captaincy.
He's always up front in supporter relations, and vocal on the pitch too. I suspect though, that Emery is deciding on his best 11 first and will then focus on the captaincy. Martinez may not be the shoe-in I thought after his World Cup antics.
It's got nothing to do with "the club". Who are you referring to?
He's just a top bloke.
Post by: bob on January 03, 2023, 06:34:43 PM
Try’s gonna need bigger trousers, he’s already got Haaland, Ronaldo and Kane in his pockets.
He's been playing really well lately. Very important player for us.
Post by: bob on January 03, 2023, 06:36:37 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 03, 2023, 06:45:13 PM
Maguire would be a good signing if we could get him for not a lot of money.
… and we like watching a shambles every week.
Post by: Ian. on January 03, 2023, 07:21:43 PM
Maguire would be a good signing if we could get him for not a lot of money.
I actually like Maguire but I feel his confidence took a right battering and he’s taken his time to get through it. He looked completely shot in that pre-world cup competition for England, he also looked quite unfit. I thought Southgate was quite cruel when he played him at the time. However he didn’t do too bad in the World Cup.
He’d be a big gamble but there is a very good player in there.
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2023, 08:53:12 PM
Maguire would be a good signing if we could get him for not a lot of money.
I actually like Maguire but I feel his confidence took a right battering and he’s taken his time to get through it. He looked completely shot in that pre-world cup competition for England, he also looked quite unfit. I thought Southgate was quite cruel when he played him at the time. However he didn’t do too bad in the World Cup.
He’d be a big gamble but there is a very good player in there.
I think he had 18months of looking a top defender, but once players realised he has the turning circle of an oil tanker he's looked a lot less assured. I'm not sure you can train his flaws out of his game either.
Post by: passport1 on January 03, 2023, 09:13:14 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 03, 2023, 09:14:20 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 03, 2023, 11:53:31 PM
I must admit, I’d rather it wouldn’t be us who took the gamble, still like him though and I feel sorry for the stick he gets.
Yes, I bet that ‘your defence is terrified’ song is a right bastard of an ear-worm for him.
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2023, 12:31:08 AM
Just a thought but seeing Mings going with McGinn to lay flowers, and being on the front of the Cubs' Christmas cards with McGinn and Lehmann, makes me wonder if the club realise the mistake in removing the captaincy.
He's always up front in supporter relations, and vocal on the pitch too. I suspect though, that Emery is deciding on his best 11 first and will then focus on the captaincy. Martinez may not be the shoe-in I thought after his World Cup antics.
It's got nothing to do with "the club". Who are you referring to?
He's just a top bloke.
Are you being obtuse?
Post by: chrisw1 on January 04, 2023, 09:42:10 AM
I think Leicester pulled the same trick we did with a certain individual in getting an inflated transfer fee that was way out of line with his ability.There's no comparison at all. Jack was looking like one of the most gifted players in the PL week in week out. I'm still convinced we would have won the Euros if Southgate had played him every game. The fact he's been a major dissapointment at Man City is more to do with the strict way they play, the coaching and probably Jack's confidence when he's no longer the big fish.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2023, 09:46:24 AM
Just a thought but seeing Mings going with McGinn to lay flowers, and being on the front of the Cubs' Christmas cards with McGinn and Lehmann, makes me wonder if the club realise the mistake in removing the captaincy.
He's always up front in supporter relations, and vocal on the pitch too. I suspect though, that Emery is deciding on his best 11 first and will then focus on the captaincy. Martinez may not be the shoe-in I thought after his World Cup antics.
It's got nothing to do with "the club". Who are you referring to?
He's just a top bloke.
Are you being obtuse?
Although Bob can be obtuse, he is correct that "the club" didn't make the decision to drop the captaincy from Mings and "the club" doesn't make the decision to reinstate him as captain. The decisions ultimately rely on whichever person has the "Manager/Head Coach" moniker at the time.
However they do still use him in the press and publicity as he is popular, and won't normally embarrass them by making a club statement and then driving his vehicle into another one the next day, or be pictured huffing happy gas.
Post by: bob on January 04, 2023, 12:35:17 PM
Just a thought but seeing Mings going with McGinn to lay flowers, and being on the front of the Cubs' Christmas cards with McGinn and Lehmann, makes me wonder if the club realise the mistake in removing the captaincy.
He's always up front in supporter relations, and vocal on the pitch too. I suspect though, that Emery is deciding on his best 11 first and will then focus on the captaincy. Martinez may not be the shoe-in I thought after his World Cup antics.
It's got nothing to do with "the club". Who are you referring to?
He's just a top bloke.
Are you being obtuse?
I got the impression that he went to lay those flowers of his own volition. I thought by the look of McGinn's face he'd been dragged out of bed by Tyrone. Not sure that the club would have instructed Tyrone to go.
In any case the person in charge of the Christmas cards won't have any input on the captaincy.
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2023, 01:25:21 PM
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
Post by: clash city rocker on January 04, 2023, 01:57:55 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
Did SJM even want to be captain in the circumstances?
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2023, 02:14:59 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
Did SJM even want to be captain in the circumstances?
He's spent most of the season playing like it's a burden.
Post by: clash city rocker on January 04, 2023, 02:21:16 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.Did SJM even want to be captain in the circumstances?
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
He's spent most of the season playing like it's a burden.
It all seems to me that SG's man management skills were not up to scratch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2023, 02:37:49 PM
Players do things on their own. No publicity, no mentions on social media etc. Obviously all official club content and visits are done with the club, but players will go to schools, events etc on their own and just because they want to. I've probably said before, and it's going back a while because of the player involved, but Gareth Barry went to a school over Stratford way for a few hours one day, only reason I knew about it was a mate's wife was a teacher there. But it was just him turning up, no one from the club, no cameras etc.
Oh yes of course, they do, but in the instances I'm talking about, the Xmas card, the official visit to the memorial for the lads that drowned, that's more than a player just turning up without talking about it first isn't it?
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2023, 02:40:29 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
I don't think it makes any difference to whether a player is captain or not when it comes to club visits etc, and the day anybody other than the manager has a say in who does get to be captain is the day we probably stop being able to attract managers. In terms of on field activities, I think taking the captaincy off Mings was one of the few things Gerrard got right, as his form has improved since he did, and I wouldn't be in a rush to reinstate him. I imagine that Emery will stick with McGinn for the rest of this campaign and then assess it in the summer for next season.
Post by: bob on January 04, 2023, 02:43:40 PM
Players do things on their own. No publicity, no mentions on social media etc. Obviously all official club content and visits are done with the club, but players will go to schools, events etc on their own and just because they want to. I've probably said before, and it's going back a while because of the player involved, but Gareth Barry went to a school over Stratford way for a few hours one day, only reason I knew about it was a mate's wife was a teacher there. But it was just him turning up, no one from the club, no cameras etc.
Oh yes of course, they do, but in the instances I'm talking about, the Xmas card, the official visit to the memorial for the lads that drowned, that's more than a player just turning up without talking about it first isn't it?
It wasn't an official visit, was it?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 04, 2023, 03:00:13 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
I don't think it makes any difference to whether a player is captain or not when it comes to club visits etc, and the day anybody other than the manager has a say in who does get to be captain is the day we probably stop being able to attract managers. In terms of on field activities, I think taking the captaincy off Mings was one of the few things Gerrard got right, as his form has improved since he did,
Did it? I thought he was great the last few months of last season.
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on January 04, 2023, 03:06:17 PM
taking the captaincy away might have bene the right call, making a big deal of it for weeks and the whole 'look me in the eye' bollocks was fucking stupid
Totally
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 03:06:43 PM
We all know that 'the club' make decisions about how the players go about things. The players don't organise the visits to the hospital/acorns etc. 'The club' decide who goes on the front of Christmas cards, who is on the photos on the website, who goes where.
I suspect that all of the people behind the scenes will have had discussions with whoever it is that makes the final decisions in each respective area and that a bigger decision will have been made. If I was the Marketing and publicity person I'd like Mings there because he does the right things, says the right things, leads by example etc.
Everyone was surprised/shocked that McGinn replaced Mings as captain, and I think that behind the scenes 'the club' will have felt the same way, as likeable as McGinn may be.
Did SJM even want to be captain in the circumstances?
In hindsight he really should have been advised not to take it. McGinn was already struggling for form and the last thing he needed was the captaincy.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 03:11:56 PM
taking the captaincy away might have bene the right call, making a big deal of it for weeks and the whole 'look me in the eye' bollocks was fucking stupid
Totally
Absolutely this.
The 'look me in the eye' stuff made absolutely no sense - what the fuck is that even meant to mean?
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 04, 2023, 04:33:46 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2023, 04:34:17 PM
Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
It's like the Berlin wall coming down.
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2023, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2023, 05:00:48 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on January 04, 2023, 05:57:51 PM
Gerrard tried to play the “I’m the boss now” move. It might have worked as a decorated player with great standing with lesser players. But in management earn your stripes. It’s a very different set of skills you need to have. And acting the Billy Big Bollocks when you have no tactical ability, the aura of the person disappears fast. Look me in the eye with such a popular player like Mings wouldn’t have sat well with the other players. McGinn never looked comfortable in that role and I doubt he even really wanted it.
Look me in eye !!! I know would I would have backed.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 06:54:03 PM
Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2023, 10:25:34 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 12:39:57 AM
Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
The thing with Mings when he's in possession, he dwells on the ball so long that it always gives the opposition time to drop back and get set defensively. Mings is mostly a very good defender, but he's also mostly really poor at playing out.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 05, 2023, 01:01:46 AM
A great assist! Brilliant vision and execution.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 05, 2023, 09:31:29 AM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 05, 2023, 05:59:36 PM
Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
The thing with Mings when he's in possession, he dwells on the ball so long that it always gives the opposition time to drop back and get set defensively. Mings is mostly a very good defender, but he's also mostly really poor at playing out.
Another take on this is that Mings doesn't want to kick the ball away aimlessly, though at times (like much of last night versus Wolves) there is poor movement in front of him other than Watkins running the channels.
Plus Mings is more likely to be pressed in possession as the opposition know that Konsa hardly ever brings the ball out of defence and only ever passes sideways to Mings (or occasionally to the backfoot of the fullback).
In a couple of games with Emery in charge, Konsa has played forwards and travelled with the ball but last night he reverted to his more usual sidewards/backwards game. His pass completion stats must be great, but it makes us easier to play against.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 07:15:02 PM
Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
The thing with Mings when he's in possession, he dwells on the ball so long that it always gives the opposition time to drop back and get set defensively. Mings is mostly a very good defender, but he's also mostly really poor at playing out.
Another take on this is that Mings doesn't want to kick the ball away aimlessly, though at times (like much of last night versus Wolves) there is poor movement in front of him other than Watkins running the channels.
Plus Mings is more likely to be pressed in possession as the opposition know that Konsa hardly ever brings the ball out of defence and only ever passes sideways to Mings (or occasionally to the backfoot of the fullback).
In a couple of games with Emery in charge, Konsa has played forwards and travelled with the ball but last night he reverted to his more usual sidewards/backwards game. His pass completion stats must be great, but it makes us easier to play against.
Mings huge weakness is that he doesn't want the ball under any circumstances on his right foot. He will overplay the ball to avoid any kind of turning onto his right side. I wouldn't be putting any blame at all on our CBs last night. Wolves did us tactically in the first half by sitting on both Kamara particularly and Luiz while we had Young and Cash bumping into each other. I really don't want either Konsa or Mings stepping past them into midfield in those circumstances. They did their primary jobs well but has to be said that Costa is finished at this level so not the toughest opponent.
Following up from shutting down Kane and Son a few days previous it's a decent recovery from both of them from the keystone cops efforts v Liverpool in our last home game.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 05, 2023, 07:24:29 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2023, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 05, 2023, 08:12:30 PM
I think Mings is no more reluctant to use his weaker (right) foot than any other player.Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
The thing with Mings when he's in possession, he dwells on the ball so long that it always gives the opposition time to drop back and get set defensively. Mings is mostly a very good defender, but he's also mostly really poor at playing out.
Another take on this is that Mings doesn't want to kick the ball away aimlessly, though at times (like much of last night versus Wolves) there is poor movement in front of him other than Watkins running the channels.
Plus Mings is more likely to be pressed in possession as the opposition know that Konsa hardly ever brings the ball out of defence and only ever passes sideways to Mings (or occasionally to the backfoot of the fullback).
In a couple of games with Emery in charge, Konsa has played forwards and travelled with the ball but last night he reverted to his more usual sidewards/backwards game. His pass completion stats must be great, but it makes us easier to play against.
Mings huge weakness is that he doesn't want the ball under any circumstances on his right foot. He will overplay the ball to avoid any kind of turning onto his right side. I wouldn't be putting any blame at all on our CBs last night. Wolves did us tactically in the first half by sitting on both Kamara particularly and Luiz while we had Young and Cash bumping into each other. I really don't want either Konsa or Mings stepping past them into midfield in those circumstances. They did their primary jobs well but has to be said that Costa is finished at this level so not the toughest opponent.
Following up from shutting down Kane and Son a few days previous it's a decent recovery from both of them from the keystone cops efforts v Liverpool in our last home game.
Though this might be a lifetime of arguing - as a left-footed player - that the majority of players, fans, and pundits (that are right-footed) cannot watch a left-footed player and come to any other conclusion than "very one-footed player".
Properly winds me up. Always has. UTV.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2023, 08:19:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 08:27:04 PM
I think Mings is no more reluctant to use his weaker (right) foot than any other player.Everything about Gerrard and his reign is unraveling quickly now, the captaincy, tactics, coaching, you name it he’s being exposes a complete charlatan.
All that's true but he had valid concerns about the inability of Mings to play out from the back under pressure. It's just that he made a complete mess of trying to replace him with the captaincy change and all that went with. I'd expect Emery to come to the same conclusion on Mings in the near future especially if Carlos is to finish the season strongly.
The thing with Mings when he's in possession, he dwells on the ball so long that it always gives the opposition time to drop back and get set defensively. Mings is mostly a very good defender, but he's also mostly really poor at playing out.
Another take on this is that Mings doesn't want to kick the ball away aimlessly, though at times (like much of last night versus Wolves) there is poor movement in front of him other than Watkins running the channels.
Plus Mings is more likely to be pressed in possession as the opposition know that Konsa hardly ever brings the ball out of defence and only ever passes sideways to Mings (or occasionally to the backfoot of the fullback).
In a couple of games with Emery in charge, Konsa has played forwards and travelled with the ball but last night he reverted to his more usual sidewards/backwards game. His pass completion stats must be great, but it makes us easier to play against.
Mings huge weakness is that he doesn't want the ball under any circumstances on his right foot. He will overplay the ball to avoid any kind of turning onto his right side. I wouldn't be putting any blame at all on our CBs last night. Wolves did us tactically in the first half by sitting on both Kamara particularly and Luiz while we had Young and Cash bumping into each other. I really don't want either Konsa or Mings stepping past them into midfield in those circumstances. They did their primary jobs well but has to be said that Costa is finished at this level so not the toughest opponent.
Following up from shutting down Kane and Son a few days previous it's a decent recovery from both of them from the keystone cops efforts v Liverpool in our last home game.
Though this might be a lifetime of arguing - as a left-footed player - that the majority of players, fans, and pundits (that are right-footed) cannot watch a left-footed player and come to any other conclusion than "very one-footed player".
Properly winds me up. Always has. UTV.
Of our current and recent lefties..Mings, McGinn, Bailey, Hause, Nakamba, Hourihane...their right feet might aswell be made of timber...don't notice it with Digne as much (right footed clogger here btw)
Post by: bob on January 06, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2023, 08:29:48 PM
How do you guys think this will play out in the next few months?
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 18, 2023, 09:24:54 PM
Not sure he would want to play 2nd fiddle to Diego Carlos, who I think plays that side, so would not be surprised to see him go.
Like McGinn & Konsa I would thank them for getting us up and keeping g us here but now we need a better calibre of player to progress
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2023, 10:26:21 AM
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2023, 10:48:51 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
This has always been my theory with lefties, they have it too easy.
I played a lot on the left as a kid despite being right footed and it helped me a lot, it got me to a point where I could kick a ball just as badly with my left as my right.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2023, 11:21:57 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
This has always been my theory with lefties, they have it too easy.
I played a lot on the left as a kid despite being right footed and it helped me a lot, it got me to a point where I could kick a ball just as badly with my left as my right.
I'm left-footed but similar to Lee could use my right foot equally badly. However I'm right-handed and I wonder if that makes me more 'two-footed' than someone who's both left-handed and left-footed.
Post by: clash city rocker on January 19, 2023, 11:28:01 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
This has always been my theory with lefties, they have it too easy.
I played a lot on the left as a kid despite being right footed and it helped me a lot, it got me to a point where I could kick a ball just as badly with my left as my right.
I'm left-footed but similar to Lee could use my right foot equally badly. However I'm right-handed and I wonder if that makes me more 'two-footed' than someone who's both left-handed and left-footed.
Used to work with a lad that was pretty decent at cricket and played of scratch at golf. Used right handed clubs but batted left hand on the cricket pitch.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 19, 2023, 11:41:45 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).Sorry Eamonn, but this nonsense ;)
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
Full disclosure - I'm left-footed and left-handed.
As most people are right-footed and right-handed, seeing someone kick a ball with their left foot is rarer and strikes people as unfamiliar, even freakish, as a result.
This can prompt many to think that the left-footed player is more reliant on their left foot as a result (because their use of their left foot is more noticeable).
As for concrete evidence ... as this has been a bugbear for years, I've twice beaten right-footed teammates at taking penalties with our weaker foot - and I'm usually way down the list to take a penalty in any side I've played for. UTV
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 19, 2023, 12:48:27 PM
Sorry for upsetting the brotherhood. Left and proud!No problem brother! :)
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2023, 12:48:33 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2023, 01:28:19 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 19, 2023, 01:34:01 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2023, 01:34:21 PM
I'd hope that if I'd ever wanted to play football at a level beyond a sunday morning shitty league with a few mates I'd have put the same effort in to at least develop some basic competence.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
I'm right handed but prefer a wank with my left. Feels more mysterious.
No wonder you're called Goldenballs.
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2023, 05:50:08 PM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).Sorry Eamonn, but this nonsense ;)
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
Full disclosure - I'm left-footed and left-handed.
As most people are right-footed and right-handed, seeing someone kick a ball with their left foot is rarer and strikes people as unfamiliar, even freakish, as a result.
This can prompt many to think that the left-footed player is more reliant on their left foot as a result (because their use of their left foot is more noticeable).
As for concrete evidence ... as this has been a bugbear for years, I've twice beaten right-footed teammates at taking penalties with our weaker foot - and I'm usually way down the list to take a penalty in any side I've played for. UTV
I'd love to see Mings take a penalty with his right foot, maybe not in a competitive game though. He is incredibly uncomfortable even turning onto his right side. Watch him even try to block shots on his right side or leg....at last second he will invariably switch to his left which brings own goals or unusual defections into the mix.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2023, 01:24:32 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
This has always been my theory with lefties, they have it too easy.
I played a lot on the left as a kid despite being right footed and it helped me a lot, it got me to a point where I could kick a ball just as badly with my left as my right.
I'm left-footed but similar to Lee could use my right foot equally badly. However I'm right-handed and I wonder if that makes me more 'two-footed' than someone who's both left-handed and left-footed.
Used to work with a lad that was pretty decent at cricket and played of scratch at golf. Used right handed clubs but batted left hand on the cricket pitch.
I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2023, 01:26:06 AM
I'd like to see a training session where Tyrone and Leon can only use their right foots (sic).
As a leftie myself, I was always conscious of building-up my right peg as a youngster. But it seems to me that left-footed players are worse with their weaker foot than right-footers.
Maybe the dearth of lefties generally (we are only 10% of the population or something) means that left-footed footballers are lazy, knowing they're more likely to get a game thanks to nature.
This has always been my theory with lefties, they have it too easy.
I played a lot on the left as a kid despite being right footed and it helped me a lot, it got me to a point where I could kick a ball just as badly with my left as my right.
I'm left-footed but similar to Lee could use my right foot equally badly. However I'm right-handed and I wonder if that makes me more 'two-footed' than someone who's both left-handed and left-footed.
I’m left-footed and right-handed too. I think it just makes us cleverer than normal people and better at pulling birds and that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 20, 2023, 05:28:59 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on January 20, 2023, 06:47:48 AM
My dad, who was a decent footballer, was always on at me as a kid to use my left foot. I was in love with Maradona, and he was one-footed, so I didn't listen. It turns out that I wasn't Maradona.
Could’ve been a contender
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
My dad, who was a decent footballer, was always on at me as a kid to use my left foot. I was in love with Maradona, and he was one-footed, so I didn't listen. It turns out that I wasn't Maradona.
Paolo Maldini was a great example. Naturally right footed but worked on his left foot so much that he became one of the greatest ever left backs and left sided centre backs.
Post by: Mellin on January 20, 2023, 07:31:13 PM
Just want to defend lefties after the unprovoked attack on the previous page. I'm naturally left and just as good on my right. Doesn't register which foot I'm using. Obviously a shit Sunday league carthorse, but point stands.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2023, 07:35:15 PM
My dad, who was a decent footballer, was always on at me as a kid to use my left foot. I was in love with Maradona, and he was one-footed, so I didn't listen. It turns out that I wasn't Maradona.
I had the same problem, but I at least managed to become later-life-Maradona.
*tugs on fat cheroot*
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 20, 2023, 08:57:31 PM
My dad, who was a decent footballer, was always on at me as a kid to use my left foot. I was in love with Maradona, and he was one-footed, so I didn't listen. It turns out that I wasn't Maradona.
I had the same problem, but I at least managed to become later-life-Maradona.
*tugs on fat cheroot*
Oh, of all things I could copy from him, I copied. Just the sublime talent that I struggled with. And the left foot.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:07:32 AM
I recall a game where Tyrone really fought with Zalatn Ibrahimovic.
It affected Zlatan's performance.
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2023, 03:40:39 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 03:40:54 PM
Post by: Bad English on February 12, 2023, 04:25:55 PM
Post by: ventnorVillain on February 12, 2023, 08:07:52 PM
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2023, 08:08:20 PM
Post by: ventnorVillain on February 12, 2023, 08:10:41 PM
Injured, I think.Thanks
Post by: Louzie0 on February 12, 2023, 08:16:28 PM
Think Martinez really depends on him, I hope he’s back soon.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on February 12, 2023, 08:18:55 PM
Chambers did ok, but is what he is, a back up player.
Post by: Villafirst on February 12, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on February 12, 2023, 08:30:09 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 09:30:36 PM
Injured, I think.
From the Beeb:
On Tyrone Mings' absence: "Hopefully he will be back. He had a small injury and didn't train this week but hopefully for the next week he is going to get better and I am thinking maybe he will play on Saturday. If not, we have another centre-back like Calum Chambers and we have to believe in every player."
We have to believe in every player. There it is. Howdja like them apples?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2023, 09:31:54 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 10:14:56 PM
With jam on them.
Jam tomorrow, bread and marge today. Deferred gratification.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 10:19:46 PM
Agree Lou, you can see how important he is when he isn’t in the team.
Chambers did ok, but is what he is, a back up player.
Did OK? I thought he had a nightmare (and I’ve always previously thought he had something to offer).
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2023, 10:21:55 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 13, 2023, 10:41:22 AM
Wasn't Tyrone seen on the training pitch on Friday doing a pre-superbowl thing?Injured, I think.
From the Beeb:
On Tyrone Mings' absence: "Hopefully he will be back. He had a small injury and didn't train this week but hopefully for the next week he is going to get better and I am thinking maybe he will play on Saturday. If not, we have another centre-back like Calum Chambers and we have to believe in every player."
We have to believe in every player. There it is. Howdja like them apples?
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2023, 04:59:02 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 13, 2023, 05:11:20 PM
I’m really intrigued as to what Emery and the club will do this summer. 1 year left on the contract and will they sell or think he’ll get better playing with Diego on the principle better players lift those around them?
Personally I’d like Tyrone to stay, I think he can get better and other than McGinn he’s the only link back to promotion though obviously that’s a heart over head issue.
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2023, 05:41:33 PM
So what’s that now, 11 games since we’ve been back up playing without him and a record of W1 D2 L8. Now obviously correlation isn’t causation but we don’t look anywhere near as good without him. Konsa just isn’t as good as him and I don’t think either are as good as Carlos from what I saw pre him arriving at Villa.
I’m really intrigued as to what Emery and the club will do this summer. 1 year left on the contract and will they sell or think he’ll get better playing with Diego on the principle better players lift those around them?
Personally I’d like Tyrone to stay, I think he can get better and other than McGinn he’s the only link back to promotion though obviously that’s a heart over head issue.
I wouldn't be against Konsa moving on in the summer. He just hasn't progressed at all. Maybe a team playing a low defensive line he would get his form back. Mings is what he is, limited in certain ways obviously but a solid PL defender in the main. No guarantee Carlos will come back to top form after a very serious injury either.
Post by: Beard82 on February 13, 2023, 06:26:33 PM
Under Smith, I thought Konsa was going to go on and become top draw, but his progress seems to have stopped. He is a good defender - but probably where we are now is about his level. Most top half CB need to be good with the ball.
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 14, 2023, 10:22:39 AM
Since the 2019/20 season, Tyrone Mings has missed 12 Premier League games. In those games, Villa have won one, drawn two and suffered nine defeats, while conceding 24 goals.He's not perfect but my word we miss him when he doesn't play.
I think we lack aggression generally as a side which I'm sure Emery will address in the summer but not having his presence around at set pieces especially is a big loss.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 14, 2023, 10:24:22 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 14, 2023, 10:31:27 AM
4 years he's been with us. Without doubt one of the best signings we've made in the last 20 odd years. A player who has genuinely improved over time. A great leader and a great man.
Agree^
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2023, 10:31:59 AM
Since the 2019/20 season, Tyrone Mings has missed 12 Premier League games. In those games, Villa have won one, drawn two and suffered nine defeats, while conceding 24 goals.
I might get this printed on a t-shirt.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 14, 2023, 10:36:11 AM
Could be a good merch setup.Since the 2019/20 season, Tyrone Mings has missed 12 Premier League games. In those games, Villa have won one, drawn two and suffered nine defeats, while conceding 24 goals.
I might get this printed on a t-shirt.
Tea towels, mugs, tote bags, hoodies.
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2023, 10:38:54 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
We conceded four with him in the team at home to Leicester last week. He’s mostly a good player, but our issue is our total lack of anybody else of a similar level to come in if he’s out for any reason.
Liverpool conceded 7 against us a couple of years ago with Vin Dijk in the team. He's mostly good too.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 14, 2023, 10:57:05 AM
The problem is that whenever he's out we replace him with awful choices.
Rinse and repeat.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 14, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
We conceded four with him in the team at home to Leicester last week. He’s mostly a good player, but our issue is our total lack of anybody else of a similar level to come in if he’s out for any reason.
That was a freak result due to unforced individual errors not a game to make any judgement s one way or the other. Like others above I think he’s been a great signing for us.
I think, like Watkins and McGinn, were seeing the best of him again now that the charlatan Gerrard has been purged from the club.
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 11:08:05 AM
I'd like to see how he gets on with Carlos when he's back.
Post by: nordenvillain on February 14, 2023, 11:16:02 AM
Konsa to Burnley in the summer, you heard it here first. Kompany might get a better tune out of him if he can find an instrument that suits him.So what’s that now, 11 games since we’ve been back up playing without him and a record of W1 D2 L8. Now obviously correlation isn’t causation but we don’t look anywhere near as good without him. Konsa just isn’t as good as him and I don’t think either are as good as Carlos from what I saw pre him arriving at Villa.
I’m really intrigued as to what Emery and the club will do this summer. 1 year left on the contract and will they sell or think he’ll get better playing with Diego on the principle better players lift those around them?
Personally I’d like Tyrone to stay, I think he can get better and other than McGinn he’s the only link back to promotion though obviously that’s a heart over head issue.
I wouldn't be against Konsa moving on in the summer. He just hasn't progressed at all. Maybe a team playing a low defensive line he would get his form back. Mings is what he is, limited in certain ways obviously but a solid PL defender in the main. No guarantee Carlos will come back to top form after a very serious injury either.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 14, 2023, 11:19:58 AM
Post by: nordenvillain on February 14, 2023, 11:25:52 AM
If we are looking at competent decent back up then we need to be keeping the likes of Konsa. Burnley can have Chambers.I didn't mention Chambers because I can't see any PL team taking him, he's Championship material at best. Sunday was the worst by a Villa centre back I've seen in quite a long time. I think Feeney could be a long term option, but not for probably 18 months to 2 years.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 14, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
I think we're seeing more and more centre backs making mistakes, Stones always has one in him, Maguire, even Vin Dijk. It's the way the game is going these days, the ball flies all over the place, the refs are crap and there are TV cameras everywhere.
I'd like to see how he gets on with Carlos when he's back.
Can't argue with any of that, Drummond.
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tyrone alongside Carlos. Could be an Ugo/Southgate type pairing.
Post by: Smithy on February 14, 2023, 11:42:14 AM
I think we're seeing more and more centre backs making mistakes, Stones always has one in him, Maguire, even Vin Dijk. It's the way the game is going these days, the ball flies all over the place, the refs are crap and there are TV cameras everywhere.
I'd like to see how he gets on with Carlos when he's back.
Can't argue with any of that, Drummond.
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tyrone alongside Carlos. Could be an Ugo/Southgate type pairing.
People also forget that the defenders above spend a lot less time "defending" because of the teams they play for. The more time you spend defending, the more mistakes you'll make over a season. I would bet that Man City centre-halves do about 50% less defending than we do over the course of a season.
I don't mind mistakes, they all make them, it just feels like Tyrone's bigger mistakes always seem to be punished with a goal or a very good chance. As above, let's see how he plays for half a dozen games with a fit Carlos playing the Emery-way.
Whatever happens, if we are going out to get a replacement, who is guaranteed to be better, then it's going to cost a fortune.
Post by: Bad English on February 14, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
Paul Hardcastle could do a song.Could be a good merch setup.Since the 2019/20 season, Tyrone Mings has missed 12 Premier League games. In those games, Villa have won one, drawn two and suffered nine defeats, while conceding 24 goals.
I might get this printed on a t-shirt.
Tea towels, mugs, tote bags, hoodies.
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2023, 12:06:44 PM
We conceded four with him in the team at home to Leicester last week. He’s mostly a good player, but our issue is our total lack of anybody else of a similar level to come in if he’s out for any reason.
Liverpool conceded 7 against us a couple of years ago with Vin Dijk in the team. He's mostly good too.
One freak result proves what exactly? Get Ross Barkley back on that basis shall we? Mings is part of a squad that has never finished top half, and the way things are going, never will finish top half.
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 12:09:40 PM
We conceded four with him in the team at home to Leicester last week. He’s mostly a good player, but our issue is our total lack of anybody else of a similar level to come in if he’s out for any reason.
Liverpool conceded 7 against us a couple of years ago with Vin Dijk in the team. He's mostly good too.
One freak result proves what exactly? Get Ross Barkley back on that basis shall we? Mings is part of a squad that has never finished top half, and the way things are going, never will finish top half.
I'm not sure, you used one example, so I thought I'd do the same.
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2023, 12:13:09 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 14, 2023, 12:14:11 PM
Whilst we can debate whether he is undroppable, I suspect none of us would allow him to leave on a free.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2023, 12:33:43 PM
If he’s been here four years, when is his contract up?
Whilst we can debate whether he is undroppable, I suspect none of us would allow him to leave on a free.
2024
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2023, 12:42:47 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 12:49:06 PM
Another thing is Mings has played his entire Villa career effectively carrying his defensive teammates, I reckon we'd have seen a lot less errors with an equivalent presence alongside him
Konsa hasn't kicked on as we'd all hoped and thought he would. Carlos appears to have leadership qualities, as does Young and I suspect that's one reason why he's in ahead of Cash. Carlos and Mings seems like a solid set up, even if they are both lefties.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 14, 2023, 12:55:43 PM
I think once he leaves some people will back and realise he's one of the most influential players we've had in the last 20 years.
I hope he's with us for a few more years yet.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 14, 2023, 01:01:45 PM
Regardless of his ability or our recruitment issues.
I'd buy a Mings tea towel anyway.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 14, 2023, 02:09:55 PM
Another thing is Mings has played his entire Villa career effectively carrying his defensive teammates, I reckon we'd have seen a lot less errors with an equivalent presence alongside him
Konsa hasn't kicked on as we'd all hoped and thought he would. Carlos appears to have leadership qualities, as does Young and I suspect that's one reason why he's in ahead of Cash. Carlos and Mings seems like a solid set up, even if they are both lefties.
Carlos isn’t a lefty. He’s a righty who usually plays on the left.
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2023, 02:13:39 PM
Another thing is Mings has played his entire Villa career effectively carrying his defensive teammates, I reckon we'd have seen a lot less errors with an equivalent presence alongside him
Konsa hasn't kicked on as we'd all hoped and thought he would. Carlos appears to have leadership qualities, as does Young and I suspect that's one reason why he's in ahead of Cash. Carlos and Mings seems like a solid set up, even if they are both lefties.
Carlos isn’t a lefty. He’s a righty who usually plays on the left.
Even better. Just needs to shuffle 5 yards right then.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 14, 2023, 02:26:51 PM
Another thing is Mings has played his entire Villa career effectively carrying his defensive teammates, I reckon we'd have seen a lot less errors with an equivalent presence alongside him
Konsa hasn't kicked on as we'd all hoped and thought he would. Carlos appears to have leadership qualities, as does Young and I suspect that's one reason why he's in ahead of Cash. Carlos and Mings seems like a solid set up, even if they are both lefties.
Carlos isn’t a lefty. He’s a righty who usually plays on the left.
Even better. Just needs to shuffle 5 yards right then.
Agreed.
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2023, 02:30:50 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2023, 02:33:37 PM
Mings doesn't have a right foot, that's my biggest bugbear with him (other than the slack-jawed gum-chewing all game) more than the occasional clanger.
We've been over this before, but that the case for 99.9% of left footed players full stop.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 14, 2023, 02:34:26 PM
I think we're seeing more and more centre backs making mistakes, Stones always has one in him, Maguire, even Vin Dijk. It's the way the game is going these days, the ball flies all over the place, the refs are crap and there are TV cameras everywhere.
I'd like to see how he gets on with Carlos when he's back.
Can't argue with any of that, Drummond.
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tyrone alongside Carlos. Could be an Ugo/Southgate type pairing.
People also forget that the defenders above spend a lot less time "defending" because of the teams they play for. The more time you spend defending, the more mistakes you'll make over a season. I would bet that Man City centre-halves do about 50% less defending than we do over the course of a season.
I don't mind mistakes, they all make them, it just feels like Tyrone's bigger mistakes always seem to be punished with a goal or a very good chance. As above, let's see how he plays for half a dozen games with a fit Carlos playing the Emery-way.
Whatever happens, if we are going out to get a replacement, who is guaranteed to be better, then it's going to cost a fortune.
Excellent points all round Smithy.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 14, 2023, 04:29:30 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2023, 06:18:38 PM
Mings doesn't have a right foot, that's my biggest bugbear with him (other than the slack-jawed gum-chewing all game) more than the occasional clanger.
We've been over this before, but that the case for 99.9% of left footed players full stop.
Apart from me and a couple of other left-footers on here, obvs.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2023, 07:26:34 PM
I'd like to see us bring someone in during the summer and offload Chambers (who was good last season but dropped off badly this). We need to improve the overall standard of the squad so that's something i think we should do. It doesn't necessarily have to cost a fortune if we're shrewd. McGrath was relatively cheap at the time, Ugo was virtually free, Teale was a good price at the time, even Southgate wasn't over the top. Bargains can still be found these days if the scouts are doing their job and the manager has a good eye. We need someone that is better than anything we've got currently ideally and a good but inconsistent Mings and a Carlos coming back from injury can compete to play alongside. I do think Mings has it in him to play regularly in a top half side but he just needs to step it up a bit. Better competition could do that.
I know what you mean, but all those bargains you've mentioned are from 30 years ago. It's not so easy these days.
Unless you're Brighton, obvs.
I'd love us to find bargains, but if we set out with that as our over-riding criteria, we're screwed.
It is an expensive business and we need to be competitive with what we are prepared to spend.
Post by: algy on February 14, 2023, 07:57:50 PM
Tim Iroegbunam cost next to nothing from Albion (like Ugo)
Super John McGinn, regardless of his faults, cost peanuts
Boubacar Kamara was free
Feeney keeps being mentioned as one for the future, and cost next to nothing
Martinez cost a fraction of what he's worth now
..
That's aside from some players who are maybe a bit borderline. Don't want to labour that point too much because I'll definitely manage to pick a few players that folk disagree with ... But I do think there's a group of players like Konsa, Cash, Moreno, Dougie, ... where at market value we'd sell them for more than we paid.
Post by: Ian. on February 14, 2023, 08:01:51 PM
I'd like to see us bring someone in during the summer and offload Chambers (who was good last season but dropped off badly this). We need to improve the overall standard of the squad so that's something i think we should do. It doesn't necessarily have to cost a fortune if we're shrewd. McGrath was relatively cheap at the time, Ugo was virtually free, Teale was a good price at the time, even Southgate wasn't over the top. Bargains can still be found these days if the scouts are doing their job and the manager has a good eye. We need someone that is better than anything we've got currently ideally and a good but inconsistent Mings and a Carlos coming back from injury can compete to play alongside. I do think Mings has it in him to play regularly in a top half side but he just needs to step it up a bit. Better competition could do that.
I know what you mean, but all those bargains you've mentioned are from 30 years ago. It's not so easy these days.
Unless you're Brighton, obvs.
I'd love us to find bargains, but if we set out with that as our over-riding criteria, we're screwed.
It is an expensive business and we need to be competitive with what we are prepared to spend.
Also the game has changed massively and defenders need to be able to play football just as much as read the danger and defend. McGrath obviously could but he was up there with the very best and just a bloody genius. This is what holds Konsa back, he’s not great on the ball. It’s not the same as when we found and Teal or Ugo. I guess they are out there somewhere but it’s definitely a position which has made that purchase so more difficult.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 14, 2023, 08:45:57 PM
Another one here. The ever reliable "Wand of a left foot" and a more than capable right.Mings doesn't have a right foot, that's my biggest bugbear with him (other than the slack-jawed gum-chewing all game) more than the occasional clanger.
We've been over this before, but that the case for 99.9% of left footed players full stop.
Apart from me and a couple of other left-footers on here, obvs.
Sadly I'm as mobile as a skip these days. UTV.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
PL games Mings hasn't started for Villa
Sheffield United December 2019 Lost 0-2
Southampton December 2019 Lost 1-3
Norwich December 2019 Won 1-0
Watford December 2019 Lost 0-3
Tottenham February 2020 Lost 2-3
Chelsea December 2020 Drew 1-1
Crystal Palace May 2021 Lost 2-3
Brentford August 2021 Drew 1-1
Brentford January 2022 Lost 1-2
Bournemouth August 2022 Lost 0-2
West Ham August 2022 Lost 0-1
Manchester City February 2023 Lost 1-3
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 16, 2023, 02:48:34 PM
Villa have won just one of the 12 league games Mings hasn’t started since signing on a permanent deal from Bournemouth. That was a 1-0 victory over Norwich in December 2019. This means we have failed to win any of our last 9 Premier League games without the England international in the starting line-up.
PL games Mings hasn't started for Villa
Sheffield United December 2019 Lost 0-2
Southampton December 2019 Lost 1-3
Norwich December 2019 Won 1-0
Watford December 2019 Lost 0-3
Tottenham February 2020 Lost 2-3
Chelsea December 2020 Drew 1-1
Crystal Palace May 2021 Lost 2-3
Brentford August 2021 Drew 1-1
Brentford January 2022 Lost 1-2
Bournemouth August 2022 Lost 0-2
West Ham August 2022 Lost 0-1
Manchester City February 2023 Lost 1-3
And yet, his inability to control a football, or stay on his feet, or pass it to a team mate five yards away, while being pressed by the opposition has probably cost us more than all of those games combined.
He has all the physical ability one would want in a central defender & more.
But then we have his brain...
...which is why he plays for us & not Real Madrid.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 16, 2023, 02:58:26 PM
The above figures just show that we haven't build a suitably good squad yet, despite being back in the Premier League for four seasons now. Mings is a decent Premier League defender, but even with him we're a lower mid table team at best. The fact that our form collapses without him says more about the quality of the squad than it does about his abilities.
Absolutely.
We need a complete overhaul of the scouting network. Along with whoever is in charge if all transfers, in & out.
Post by: KevinGage on February 16, 2023, 02:58:50 PM
I think we're seeing more and more centre backs making mistakes, Stones always has one in him, Maguire, even Vin Dijk. It's the way the game is going these days, the ball flies all over the place, the refs are crap and there are TV cameras everywhere.
I'd like to see how he gets on with Carlos when he's back.
Can't argue with any of that, Drummond.
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tyrone alongside Carlos. Could be an Ugo/Southgate type pairing.
People also forget that the defenders above spend a lot less time "defending" because of the teams they play for. The more time you spend defending, the more mistakes you'll make over a season. I would bet that Man City centre-halves do about 50% less defending than we do over the course of a season.
I don't mind mistakes, they all make them, it just feels like Tyrone's bigger mistakes always seem to be punished with a goal or a very good chance. As above, let's see how he plays for half a dozen games with a fit Carlos playing the Emery-way.
Whatever happens, if we are going out to get a replacement, who is guaranteed to be better, then it's going to cost a fortune.
Exactly that.
There has also never been more access to video access than now, so supporters micro-analyse each goal (or each chance) to within an inch of its life. Whisper it, but even McGrath could've done better on a few goals we conceded between 89-97. The forums (if that was a thing back then) would have been lighting up a few times in 91 and at various stages in 94 and 95 saying he wasn't up to it any more.
An oft heard phrase for him and a few others is 'not good enough for where we want to go.' I then look around and see the likes of Dier, Maguire (until this season) Stones, Dan Burn etc all playing for top 4 challenging clubs.
McGinn and Cash might need to take more of a backseat role in the not-too-distant. Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 03:06:44 PM
Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but mine is he's miles off. He's been the mainstay of a defence that hasn't been good enough for the top half, and isn't likely to be again once again this season. You can make a similar case for just about every player in the squad being good enough for the top 6 to 7, but apart from one or two possible exceptions of which Mings isn't one, they're just not.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 16, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
I'd like to see us bring someone in during the summer and offload Chambers (who was good last season but dropped off badly this). We need to improve the overall standard of the squad so that's something i think we should do. It doesn't necessarily have to cost a fortune if we're shrewd. McGrath was relatively cheap at the time, Ugo was virtually free, Teale was a good price at the time, even Southgate wasn't over the top. Bargains can still be found these days if the scouts are doing their job and the manager has a good eye. We need someone that is better than anything we've got currently ideally and a good but inconsistent Mings and a Carlos coming back from injury can compete to play alongside. I do think Mings has it in him to play regularly in a top half side but he just needs to step it up a bit. Better competition could do that.
I know what you mean, but all those bargains you've mentioned are from 30 years ago. It's not so easy these days.
Unless you're Brighton, obvs.
I'd love us to find bargains, but if we set out with that as our over-riding criteria, we're screwed.
It is an expensive business and we need to be competitive with what we are prepared to spend.
It is trickier these days but still possible. It just that other clubs seem to do it a lot more than we do. Either way, even if we have to spend a bit we do need someone better in there, and if Mings finds the form and consistency to form the very good partnership with him then great. Not ruling out Carlos by the way, but he has had a bad injury. You never know, Mings and Carlos could end up being great and whoever we bring in sits on the bench but i certainly don't want us going into next season without signing someone to improve the overall standard in that department.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2023, 04:15:29 PM
I disagree. I think with better players around him he'd look fine in most teams pushing for top 6-7.Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but mine is he's miles off. He's been the mainstay of a defence that hasn't been good enough for the top half, and isn't likely to be again once again this season. You can make a similar case for just about every player in the squad being good enough for the top 6 to 7, but apart from one or two possible exceptions of which Mings isn't one, they're just not.
Post by: Dave on February 16, 2023, 04:22:05 PM
Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but mine is he's miles off. He's been the mainstay of a defence that hasn't been good enough for the top half, and isn't likely to be again once again this season. You can make a similar case for just about every player in the squad being good enough for the top 6 to 7, but apart from one or two possible exceptions of which Mings isn't one, they're just not.
He's probably good enough to be part of one. He one of a gaggle of English centre-backs (Dier, Stones, Maguire, Gomez etc) who are all pretty good but aren't what you want to build your defence around. And those four aren't miles off being good enough to play for top 6-7 sides, given that they do and have done for ages.
What Mings obviously isn't good enough to be is the undroppable, stand-out player in that position in a top 6-7 side, which is his current status amongst our centre-backs right now. He could potentially be the right partner to whoever our Ruben Dias or Virgil Van Dijk turns out to be. Or he might not be.
Edit: VIRGIL Van Dijk. Not Virgin.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2023, 04:24:32 PM
I agree with Risso, we have 4 or 5 that are top half level, a few who might get there, some at their level and a couple that are as high as they are going to get ever.I disagree. I think with better players around him he'd look fine in most teams pushing for top 6-7.Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but mine is he's miles off. He's been the mainstay of a defence that hasn't been good enough for the top half, and isn't likely to be again once again this season. You can make a similar case for just about every player in the squad being good enough for the top 6 to 7, but apart from one or two possible exceptions of which Mings isn't one, they're just not.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2023, 04:33:18 PM
I agree with Dave.Mings is plenty good enough for a top 6-7 aspiring side.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but mine is he's miles off. He's been the mainstay of a defence that hasn't been good enough for the top half, and isn't likely to be again once again this season. You can make a similar case for just about every player in the squad being good enough for the top 6 to 7, but apart from one or two possible exceptions of which Mings isn't one, they're just not.
He's probably good enough to be part of one. He one of a gaggle of English centre-backs (Dier, Stones, Maguire, Gomez etc) who are all pretty good but aren't what you want to build your defence around. And those four aren't miles off being good enough to play for top 6-7 sides, given that they do and have done for ages.
What Mings obviously isn't good enough to be is the undroppable, stand-out player in that position in a top 6-7 side, which is his current status amongst our centre-backs right now. He could potentially be the right partner to whoever our Ruben Dias or Virgin Van Dijk turns out to be. Or he might not be.
I also think he's good enough to play for Leicetser, West Ham, Brighton, Wolves and pretty much any other team gunning for 6-7th. That's not to say he's better than every centre back at those clubs, just that he wouldn't look out of place.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 04:43:50 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2023, 04:49:56 PM
Three of those are fighting to stay up though, not going for 6-7th.But they're typical top 6-7 contenders for the last few seasons. I could have said Brentford & Fulham.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2023, 05:05:36 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 16, 2023, 05:49:14 PM
Villa have won just one of the 12 league games Mings hasn’t started since signing on a permanent deal from Bournemouth. That was a 1-0 victory over Norwich in December 2019. This means we have failed to win any of our last 9 Premier League games without the England international in the starting line-up.
PL games Mings hasn't started for Villa
Sheffield United December 2019 Lost 0-2
Southampton December 2019 Lost 1-3
Norwich December 2019 Won 1-0
Watford December 2019 Lost 0-3
Tottenham February 2020 Lost 2-3
Chelsea December 2020 Drew 1-1
Crystal Palace May 2021 Lost 2-3
Brentford August 2021 Drew 1-1
Brentford January 2022 Lost 1-2
Bournemouth August 2022 Lost 0-2
West Ham August 2022 Lost 0-1
Manchester City February 2023 Lost 1-3
It’s beyond any dispute. I love TM.
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2023, 06:22:14 PM
Really good defenders like White and Fofana from clubs on our level have tended to move on to bigger clubs though. I'd put Mings on a par with Coady who went to Everton.
Not sure about Ben White being a really good defender either. All those guys are about the same level. I'm not Mings biggest fan but he has been carrying Konsa for some time and Carlos has it all to prove coming back from serious injury. When he is missing we really know it.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 10:30:42 AM
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce Tyrone Mings has signed a new contract with the club.
The defender is closing in on 150 appearances in claret and blue having initially joined on loan in 2019.
Mings helped Villa clinch promotion to the Premier League at the end of his first season before signing permanently for the club.
He has gone on to become a mainstay at the heart of defence for Villa and has been capped by England on the international stage.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 17, 2023, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on February 17, 2023, 10:38:33 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 17, 2023, 10:39:14 AM
Congratulations Big man.
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2023, 10:39:21 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 17, 2023, 10:39:45 AM
Post by: Nev on February 17, 2023, 10:41:05 AM
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 10:41:59 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 10:44:21 AM
QuoteAston Villa is delighted to announce Tyrone Mings has signed a new contract with the club.
The defender is closing in on 150 appearances in claret and blue having initially joined on loan in 2019.
Mings helped Villa clinch promotion to the Premier League at the end of his first season before signing permanently for the club.
He has gone on to become a mainstay at the heart of defence for Villa and has been capped by England on the international stage.
This is fantastic. Clearly he has the intelligence to learn and improve under Emery. I bet Mings can speak a bit of Spainish. Classly guy and classy player. Fully deserves the pay rise and extension as is a great assest on and off field and credit to him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 10:45:30 AM
FFS!With you. Always sounds and reads wrong to me when football club is called is not are!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
And it's Aston Villa Aston Villa FC.
we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen!
Up the Villa !
Post by: colin69 on February 17, 2023, 10:48:05 AM
Post by: PGW on February 17, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
Chuffed for Tyrone , he'll be happy it's all sorted, concentrate on his game now.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 10:54:25 AM
There's also maybe an issue with Carlos?
But its clear Mings is very much part of the team and rightly so.
You can see he's developing his game and adapating and really trying to follow Emery instructions as well as being an ambassador and the right character to have in and out the pitch.
Mings can only get better.
Post by: AV82EC on February 17, 2023, 10:55:03 AM
Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against Arsenal
There's also maybe an issue with Carlos?
But its clear Mings is very much part of the team and rightly so.
You can see he's developing his game and adapating and really trying to follow Emery instructions as well as being an ambassador and the right character to have in and out the pitch.
Mings can only get better.
Nonsense, he was injured.
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2023, 10:55:57 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 17, 2023, 10:56:22 AM
FFS!With you. Always sounds and reads wrong to me when football club is called is not are!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
And it's Aston Villa Aston Villa FC.
we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen!
Up the Villa !
The correct English is "is" though, it's a singular entity.
But anyway, what awesome news, a true leader. Let's hope he's fit for tomorrow!
Post by: Bully2345 on February 17, 2023, 10:58:33 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 17, 2023, 10:59:06 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 17, 2023, 10:59:47 AM
Delighted with this though. Tyrone has his faults but he was badly missed last week.
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2023, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: boozey182 on February 17, 2023, 11:00:08 AM
Odd how there doesn't seem to be any mention of the length of the contract, but this is without doubt good news. All part of the effort to build a proper squad - have a feeling there is plenty more going on behind the scenes.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 17, 2023, 11:00:27 AM
Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against Arsenal
There's also maybe an issue with Carlos?
But its clear Mings is very much part of the team and rightly so.
You can see he's developing his game and adapating and really trying to follow Emery instructions as well as being an ambassador and the right character to have in and out the pitch.
Mings can only get better.
Nonsense, he was injured you clown.
No need for the name calling.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 11:03:07 AM
The Athletic:
The wretched results Aston Villa always suffer when Tyrone Mings is absent should serve as a reminder of the centre-back’s importance to the team.
Sunday’s 3-1 defeat at Manchester City, which would have been even worse if it weren’t for goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez making a number of fine saves, was the latest instalment in a predictable story that unfolds whenever Mings is sidelined by injury.
The three Premier League games he has missed this season (Bournemouth away on August 6; West Ham at home on August 28; Manchester City away on February 12) have all ended in defeats.
Villa have won just one of the 12 league games the 29-year-old hasn’t started since signing on a permanent deal from Bournemouth for around £20million ($24.3m) in the summer of 2019. That was a 1-0 victory over Norwich in December 2019. This means the club have failed to win any of their last nine Premier League games without the England international in the starting line-up.
So it was no surprise there were shudders of despair when the team news confirming Mings’ absence owing to a thigh injury was announced an hour before kick-off at the Etihad Stadium. The fact Villa then found themselves 3-0 down at half-time was hardly a shock.
Unai Emery described that first-half performance as the worst since he took charge. And while City are a brilliant attacking team, there is no hiding from the reality that Villa struggling without Mings is becoming an unwelcome theme.
Mings is a vocal presence who organises the side, throws his body on the line, and whose pace protects the backline against quick attackers. He also regularly wins the ball when defending set pieces.
Garry Thompson, who watches Villa every week as a co-commentator for BBC Radio WM and played for the club as a forward from 1986 to 1988 agrees, saying: “When Mings is out of the team, there is a massive hole. He’s one of Villa’s strongest leaders. We need him in there alongside Martinez and Ashley Young because without him it’s a quiet team.
“No doubt the manager will want to freshen things up in the summer, but for now we need Mings in there because he’s the best we have.”
That’s not to say Mings is the answer to everything. In the 123 Premier League games he has started for Villa, Mings has lost more than he has won. His record reads: won 45, drawn 23 and lost 55.
Regardless of this, Mings has put in plenty more good performances than bad ones and has been excellent value for money. And failing to win 11 of the 12 league games he has missed is an issue Villa urgently need to address.
An injury to centre-back Diego Carlos, a £26million summer signing from Sevilla, has not helped matters. The Brazilian played the first two games of the season — first instead of Mings, then alongside him — as then-manager Steven Gerrard considered mixing up the centre-half partnership. Carlos ruptured his Achilles in the second of those games (the 2-1 home win over Everton) and has been out ever since.
There is some positive news on that front as Carlos, who turns 30 next month, is set to train with the first team later this week as he continues the final stages of his recovery. He has been using some of his spare time to sharpen up his English and Villa envision him becoming a big presence in the team when he’s back.
Emery says: “He has a good mentality and he’s a winner. Progressively he will help us and he will play as soon as possible, but first we have to build up his confidence and keep him fit.”
Mings, meanwhile, will be checked over later in the week to see if he is ready for Saturday’s game against Arsenal. In the past, he has played on despite carrying niggling injuries. He was unable to do that for the City match.
There are 15 months remaining on Mings’ contract and conversations about his future could begin in the summer. For now, though, getting him back on the pitch is all that matters because Villa have a better chance of winning games when he is available.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2023, 11:04:30 AM
Interesting there's no contract length mentioned.
Maybe just a 12 month extension. If it was new 4 year deal I'm sure they'd have announced it.
I'm happy to keep him around. Of course he isn't perfect and makes errors but you also have to value the leadership he brings.
Without him we start conceding cheap goals from set pieces and are generally all over the place in terms of organisation as no one else there really talks.
During lockdown you could hear all the organising Mings does during a game.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 11:08:02 AM
Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against ArsenalFooty - he had 15 months left on his previous contract. This wasn't a contract dispute.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 11:16:25 AM
Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against Arsenal
There's also maybe an issue with Carlos?
But its clear Mings is very much part of the team and rightly so.
You can see he's developing his game and adapating and really trying to follow Emery instructions as well as being an ambassador and the right character to have in and out the pitch.
Mings can only get better.
Nonsense, he was injured you clown.
Nothing absurd.Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against ArsenalFooty - he had 15 months left on his previous contract. This wasn't a contract dispute.
And I'm an open lines of inquiry on what may have happened with an injury
In spite of the fact that a team will occasionally have to claim a player is injured in the reporting the reality maybe different. His agent or advisors would be the ones to advise him not to play until he receives a new contract. Mings is too honorable a guy to carry out that task himself as he would want to play. Sticking with the negotiating contract theories even the manager or owner can be told to player to "sit this one out"
Maybe this didn't happen with Mings and it was just a coincidence that he got a new contract, but it does goes on in football. So I'm just making that point. Mings himself opting not to play is the least likely scenario, but owners and advisors getting involved is what I'm saying can happen. I'm not saying it did. And, of course, players get injured, so this situation could be straightforward.
Naturally, the focus is on the good news of a new contract.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 17, 2023, 11:17:12 AM
But fair play to him. Emery is no fool.
Well done Tyrone!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2023, 11:17:52 AM
Interesting there's no contract length mentioned.Telling.
I'm one for details.
Why would there be no mention.
Edit that 3.5 years greeg evans who some say isn't ITK has released solid info on this. I'll go with Evans.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 11:20:58 AM
Post by: Scovilla on February 17, 2023, 11:21:15 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2023, 11:21:30 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 17, 2023, 11:25:36 AM
Maybe this is why he didn't play against Man City due to contract issue. Now its resolved he'll be back in against Arsenal
There's also maybe an issue with Carlos?
But its clear Mings is very much part of the team and rightly so.
You can see he's developing his game and adapating and really trying to follow Emery instructions as well as being an ambassador and the right character to have in and out the pitch.
Mings can only get better.
Nonsense, he was injured you clown.
No need for the name calling.
Apologies. Will amend.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 11:29:02 AM
Pleased for Tyrone. He is one of the reasons we have stayed up since promotion and he is also the reason why we have not progressed. With Carlos back soon he will provide a strong option from the bnch next season.Absolute nonsense. I take it you haven't seen the stats?
He'll be playing alongside Carlos next season.
Post by: Ian. on February 17, 2023, 11:29:32 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on February 17, 2023, 11:39:38 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 17, 2023, 11:44:36 AM
However, one of his worst qualities is his composure. And the way Emery seems to want to play, we need composure at the back.
So unless Mings has agreed to be a backup, or the contract extension is just so we can get some decent money for hum when he is sold, this contract extension is a mistake.
For me, we need to start rebuilding the squad from the back. Its probably one of the most important areas if the manager wants to play out from the back. The current lot simply cannot do it because they lack the qualities needed to do the job well.
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2023, 11:45:34 AM
Post by: garyellis on February 17, 2023, 11:53:44 AM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 11:59:53 AM
Pleased for Tyrone. He is one of the reasons we have stayed up since promotion and he is also the reason why we have not progressed. With Carlos back soon he will provide a strong option from the bnch next season.Absolute nonsense. I take it you haven't seen the stats?
He'll be playing alongside Carlos next season.
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 17, 2023, 12:07:36 PM
Post by: tommy smart on February 17, 2023, 12:27:48 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2023, 12:31:52 PM
I like Mings as a person. And as a footballer he has a lot of qualities.
However, one of his worst qualities is his composure. And the way Emery seems to want to play, we need composure at the back.
So unless Mings has agreed to be a backup, or the contract extension is just so we can get some decent money for hum when he is sold, this contract extension is a mistake.
For me, we need to start rebuilding the squad from the back. Its probably one of the most important areas if the manager wants to play out from the back. The current lot simply cannot do it because they lack the qualities needed to do the job well.
You can still have a balance. If it's not Mings forte then it's up to the next guy to be a pass master and aside from a simple sideways one to the fullback Konsa certainly isn't.
I think it's a case of hopefully getting 8-10 games out of Mings-Carlos as a combination from April, seeing how that looks versus variety of teams and then looking again in the summer.
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2023, 12:51:13 PM
Post by: simboy on February 17, 2023, 12:53:08 PM
Pleased for Tyrone. He is one of the reasons we have stayed up since promotion and he is also the reason why we have not progressed. With Carlos back soon he will provide a strong option from the bnch next season.
Absolute nonsense. I take it you haven't seen the stats?
He'll be playing alongside Carlos next season.
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.
11th in the Prem is far better than where he started with us, 10th in the Championship. I think he has played a good part in that progress. I would rather him than Elphick, Samba, Tanzebe, Chester, Richards, Hause and an ageing Terry.
The need to have players to challenge him for his place should be a given not just for him but for all 11 starting places. That we have generally failed to do that all over the pitch since 2019 says where we have been as a club.
I'm glad he's signed an extension. A decent player and, if Risso get's his wish, a decent starting point to improve the defence over the next year or two.
Post by: Smirker on February 17, 2023, 12:55:44 PM
I think the pros outweighing the cons as posted above sums it up nicely.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 12:58:08 PM
Post by: algy on February 17, 2023, 01:20:19 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64673881
I like Tyrone Mings, personally.
Post by: Ian. on February 17, 2023, 01:22:26 PM
If it is three and a half years as Gregg Evans says, that seems like a long old extension. He'll be 33 by then. Surely Emery's style is going to be different to a "blood and thunder" typical physical British centre half? For all his qualities Mings isn't much of a ball player.
I guess at least when it's time to sell we may get a fee for him.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 01:23:04 PM
If it is three and a half years as Gregg Evans says, that seems like a long old extension. He'll be 33 by then. Surely Emery's style is going to be different to a "blood and thunder" typical physical British centre half? For all his qualities Mings isn't much of a ball player.
I guess at least when it's time to sell we may get a fee for him.
There is that, good point.
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2023, 01:24:33 PM
If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.I'm sure that is undoubtedly what will happen - Emery will see whether Mings rises to the challenge or whether he will need to be sold to a club being promoted from the C'ship.
I don't see this being a negative in any way, and I like seeing a player commit to the club longterm, even if we decide not to keep him down the track.
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
If it is three and a half years as Gregg Evans says, that seems like a long old extension. He'll be 33 by then. Surely Emery's style is going to be different to a "blood and thunder" typical physical British centre half? For all his qualities Mings isn't much of a ball player.
He is usually pretty agricultural in his clearances, but he does have it in him - the ball to Ings against Wolves for example.
Post by: Mellin on February 17, 2023, 02:03:38 PM
Post by: john e on February 17, 2023, 02:10:55 PM
Club probably don’t want to just let him go for nothing at the end of his contract
I agree with Risso he’s not a ball playing center half and lacks composure under pressure so not sure if he will be Emery’s long-term selection
The most frustrating thing about our play at the moment is to see him and Konsa slow the game right down and have no clue what to do with the ball under pressure
Having said that he’s our best centre half out of Konsa, Chambers and Hause but that’s a very low bar
Hopefully Diego will remedy that we don’t know yet
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 02:13:27 PM
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.I'd rephrase that as he's been one of the best players in a team that's never finished higher than 11th. There's plenty in the squad around him that have needed improving on before him though. Infact other than Grealish and Watkins, we probably haven't had a more consistent and influential player in the team since promotion (I'm obviously not including Martnez and Kamara here).
I absolutely get that he's not Van Dyke, I'm just amazed there's always so much dialouge round him when he's one of our most influential players.
I do agree that we need all round improvement and better competition though.
Post by: Reuben on February 17, 2023, 02:14:37 PM
I love him
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2023, 02:16:04 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 02:21:51 PM
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.I'd rephrase that as he's been one of the best players in a team that's never finished higher than 11th. There's plenty in the squad around him that have needed improving on before him though. Infact other than Grealish and Watkins, we probably haven't had a more consistent and influential player in the team since promotion (I'm obviously not including Martnez and Kamara here).
I absolutely get that he's not Van Dyke, I'm just amazed there's always so much dialouge round him when he's one of our most influential players.
I do agree that we need all round improvement and better competition though.
I think all of our players are pretty much of a muchness ie all decent enough if you want to finish 11th or lower. Watkins is decent enough, but with a wonky first touch and misses chances. Mings is solid enough, but makes mistakes. Luiz can be really good, but lacks consistency. Buendia has a lovely touch and magic feet, but gives the ball away too much, and so on. It was tempting to blame everything on the previous manager, but now we've got a new super European coach with lots of success on his CV, and the players are still pretty much as inconsistent as they've always been.
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
That aside, this is good news. His flaws are partially (mainly?) highlighted because he takes on more responsibility in the team than anyone else.
Post by: Smithy on February 17, 2023, 02:26:12 PM
And I think any fee we might get for him from next year onwards would also be good for FFP, given his original contract length would have been exceeded?
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.I'd rephrase that as he's been one of the best players in a team that's never finished higher than 11th. There's plenty in the squad around him that have needed improving on before him though. Infact other than Grealish and Watkins, we probably haven't had a more consistent and influential player in the team since promotion (I'm obviously not including Martnez and Kamara here).
I absolutely get that he's not Van Dyke, I'm just amazed there's always so much dialouge round him when he's one of our most influential players.
I do agree that we need all round improvement and better competition though.
Now he was a sweeper.
Post by: Beard82 on February 17, 2023, 02:32:34 PM
Maybe in 2 years time he won’t be the first name on the team sheet - but I’m sure he is aware of it and I think having him at the club is only a good thing
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2023, 02:34:42 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/17/tyrone-mings-aston-villa-piano-beethoven-emery
I love him
One comment stands out:
"It didn’t relieve me of a burden, it didn’t free me up to play any better, it didn’t take any pressure off me"
Post by: OCD on February 17, 2023, 02:40:06 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 02:44:21 PM
He'll probably get the captaincy back.
Emery has already said he's leaving it as it is this season.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2023, 02:46:01 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 17, 2023, 02:57:46 PM
The stats are pretty meaningless without context though. Generally when he's not played, the back ups have either been Hause or Chambers. Hause is a big immobile carthorse, and Chambers is just rubbish. What the stat really tells you is that we haven't invested sufficiently since we've been back in the Premier League to make sure we've got adequate back ups. Good for him on getting his new contract, but he's been the mainstay of a team that's never finished higher than 11th. If we want to improve on that, then at the very least we need some better central defenders to challenge him for the position.I'd rephrase that as he's been one of the best players in a team that's never finished higher than 11th. There's plenty in the squad around him that have needed improving on before him though. Infact other than Grealish and Watkins, we probably haven't had a more consistent and influential player in the team since promotion (I'm obviously not including Martnez and Kamara here).
I absolutely get that he's not Van Dyke, I'm just amazed there's always so much dialouge round him when he's one of our most influential players.
I do agree that we need all round improvement and better competition though.
I think all of our players are pretty much of a muchness ie all decent enough if you want to finish 11th or lower. Watkins is decent enough, but with a wonky first touch and misses chances. Mings is solid enough, but makes mistakes. Luiz can be really good, but lacks consistency. Buendia has a lovely touch and magic feet, but gives the ball away too much, and so on. It was tempting to blame everything on the previous manager, but now we've got a new super European coach with lots of success on his CV, and the players are still pretty much as inconsistent as they've always been.
Both Mings and Watkins have flaws but I’d suggest replacing Bailey and Konsa should be a bigger priority. Wholesale changes rarely works so three, maybe four, transfers should be the limit unless lots of players leave.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 03:05:11 PM
FFS!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
Ok. Which one has big Ty signed for?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
FFS!With you. Always sounds and reads wrong to me when football club is called is not are!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
And it's Aston Villa Aston Villa FC.
we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen!
Up the Villa !
One Aston Villa. There are only one Aston Villa.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 03:07:48 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 17, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2023, 03:15:16 PM
FFS - it's the Villa, singular.FFS!With you. Always sounds and reads wrong to me when football club is called is not are!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
And it's Aston Villa Aston Villa FC.
we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen!
Up the Villa !
One Aston Villa. There are only one Aston Villa.
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2023, 03:19:57 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 03:21:01 PM
FFS!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
Ok. Which one has big Ty signed for?
Using the singular form ("Aston Villa is...") is an Americanism that has started to creep into the English language over here. Its use should not be encouraged.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 03:52:59 PM
FFS - it's the Villa, singular.FFS!With you. Always sounds and reads wrong to me when football club is called is not are!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
And it's Aston Villa Aston Villa FC.
we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen!
Up the Villa !
One Aston Villa. There are only one Aston Villa.
I think maybe you didn’t pick up that I agree.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 04:30:31 PM
FFS!
Aston Villa ARE, not fucking is.
Ok. Which one has big Ty signed for?
Using the singular form ("Aston Villa is...") is an Americanism that has started to creep into the English language over here. Its use should not be encouraged.
If they’re right, they’re right.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 04:31:10 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on February 17, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
I am hoping he and Carlos strike up a partnership when Carlos is fully fit, Konsa then drops to a solid back up option.
Just need another young but quality CB as fourth choice then as Chambers isn’t anywhere near good enough if we want to push for top half and Europe.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 04:40:45 PM
But they're not.
They are.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2023, 05:08:31 PM
But they're not.
They are.
Of course it's not correct. Over here, we treat a team as a group of individuals, in exactly the same way we do with other groups of people like a (music) band. I don't think I've ever seen you say "The Jam is my favourite band", for example.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 05:12:54 PM
But they're not.
They are.
Of course it's not correct. Over here, we treat a team as a group of individuals, in exactly the same way we do with other groups of people like a (music) band. I don't think I've ever seen you say "The Jam is my favourite band", for example.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree then I suppose. The team didn’t announce the contract. The Aston Villa Football Club did.
The Style Council is my favourite group by the way.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 17, 2023, 05:42:05 PM
In British sports parlance it has always been that way.
Post by: OCD on February 17, 2023, 05:45:27 PM
He'll probably get the captaincy back.
Emery has already said he's leaving it as it is this season.
Never said when.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 17, 2023, 05:58:07 PM
I am with Risso.
In British sports parlance it has always been that way.
Not always.
"Finance is important, but we should never forget that we are not talking about a mere business. This is the Aston Villa football club, and it deserves nothing short of the best."
Fred Rinder.
It. Not ‘they’. It’s a single entity. It does things it is delighted to announce.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2023, 06:03:44 PM
I am with Risso.
In British sports parlance it has always been that way.
It has, and I use 'they' when referring to a football club, but, technically, Percy is surely correct?
Aston Villa is an institution. Aston Villa are an institution is horrible English.
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2023, 06:04:53 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2023, 06:14:36 PM
I feel like her that wrote the Harry Potter books is going to come wading in and minute
She'd better not be wearing trousers when she does.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 17, 2023, 07:12:52 PM
I am with Risso.
In British sports parlance it has always been that way.
It has, and I use 'they' when referring to a football club, but, technically, Percy is surely correct?
Aston Villa is an institution. Aston Villa are an institution is horrible English.
Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2023, 07:47:06 PM
Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
I agree with you and Risso e.g. "How are Villa doing?" would be answered with "they're winning 1-0" not "it is winning 1-0" etc.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2023, 07:47:52 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 17, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
Villa Good
Who needs grammer!
Post by: algy on February 17, 2023, 09:40:51 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 12:11:34 AM
So puts those runours to bed.
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2023, 01:22:18 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 18, 2023, 01:56:45 AM
Where are Mings' gushing quotes about how much he loves us ?
https://twitter.com/tyronemings/status/1626596047345823746?s=46&t=Dspv9YE0LYGGngZxlRzUUQ
Post by: Rory on February 18, 2023, 01:59:05 AM
I am with Risso.
In British sports parlance it has always been that way.
It has, and I use 'they' when referring to a football club, but, technically, Percy is surely correct?
Aston Villa is an institution. Aston Villa are an institution is horrible English.
Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
Same, for me. I don't get too worked up over technicalities, because language is rich and varied, but if I were to say "I love Aston Villa", I'm referring to the proper noun i.e. the name.
When talking about human emotion, in this case being delighted, 'Aston Villa' is a collective noun, because within the context there is no singular 'Aston Villa' that could feel delighted.
It exists as both.
As a different example, you'd probably interpret me saying "I love dogs" differently to me saying "I love dog". It's complicated here because 'Aston Villas' doesn't exist as a plural.
Edit: Also, I is delighted Tyrone are committed to us for a while longer. I love hims.
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 03:53:08 AM
The team is doing well, whereas the team are doing well sounds wrong.Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
I agree with you and Risso e.g. "How are Villa doing?" would be answered with "they're winning 1-0" not "it is winning 1-0" etc.
Post by: Rory on February 18, 2023, 04:03:21 AM
The team is doing well, whereas the team are doing well sounds wrong.Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
I agree with you and Risso e.g. "How are Villa doing?" would be answered with "they're winning 1-0" not "it is winning 1-0" etc.
I love you Aftab, but 'the team are doing well' is absolutely correct.
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 08:14:09 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 08:26:40 AM
Post by: Richard E on February 18, 2023, 08:39:56 AM
Villa failure = ‘They lost.’
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: Bad English on February 18, 2023, 01:06:58 PM
Obviously I am no authority on usage but you might as well delete your post. ;-)The team is doing well, whereas the team are doing well sounds wrong.Yes he is right technically, but it's not the usual usage (as you said).
I agree with you and Risso e.g. "How are Villa doing?" would be answered with "they're winning 1-0" not "it is winning 1-0" etc.
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2023, 02:46:57 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 18, 2023, 02:48:26 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 02:53:02 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on February 18, 2023, 02:54:27 PM
He is what he is. The contract was a mistake.
Either way it adds to his sell on value
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 18, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
He is what he is. The contract was a mistake.
Either way it adds to his sell on value
And when/if he is sold, then sell on value will become relevant...
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2023, 03:19:12 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 18, 2023, 05:32:43 PM
He's a lovely bloke, but if we're really aiming high we have to be ruthless.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 18, 2023, 05:37:09 PM
His performance today summed him up quite well: great last ditch defending, did lots of things well, but made it all rather academic by gifting them a goal.
He's a lovely bloke, but if we're really aiming high we have to be ruthless.
We can still keep him around. Wes Morgan was incredible for Leicester when they won the premier league but he reverted to type in the seasons after. Was still in their squad in May 2021.
All round he still offers more than Konsa who is no leader at all in the games Mings misses and his passing and dwelling on the ball is even worse than Mings who at least knows when to just punt it up the pitch.
Look at that Odegaard chance again. Konsa also got away with a similar error v Leicester that should've lead to a goal so I can't see how he can still be a regular next season if we do want to be more ruthless.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2023, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 18, 2023, 06:34:16 PM
Then move on to other areas that need strengthening.
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 06:39:48 PM
Post by: OCD on February 18, 2023, 06:48:02 PM
Does Carlos play left or right? We can't replace every player this summer so maybe we've decided to go with Carlos and Mings, putting Konsa on the bench and getting rid of Chambers.
Then move on to other areas that need strengthening.
He's right footed but played as the left sided centre back for Sevilla.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 18, 2023, 06:50:40 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 18, 2023, 06:53:50 PM
Does Carlos play left or right? We can't replace every player this summer so maybe we've decided to go with Carlos and Mings, putting Konsa on the bench and getting rid of Chambers.
Then move on to other areas that need strengthening.
Either but moreso right.
Problem with that theory is that CB has been probably our weakest area this season so not strengthening there and we’re going no where. Also, when have you known a team play a season with 3 senior centre backs. I agree with offloading chambers but to make room for a (hopefully) really good new player. As one of the main priorities.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2023, 07:15:17 PM
That header for their first was almost as poor as the one he gave away against Chelsea. If he hasn't learned by now that nodding it back into the penalty area is a very, very bad idea, when is he going to?
I can't get my head around why anyone would head it back towards the penalty spot? I'd be pissed at Sunday League level at that. Completely illogical.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2023, 08:25:23 PM
Post by: colin69 on February 18, 2023, 08:48:51 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2023, 08:49:36 PM
The header wasn’t great but he’s still far better than Konsa. I just don’t know what’s happened to him he’s been awful for ages.
Tallest midget competition.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2023, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 18, 2023, 09:44:49 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
Mings does need to tidy up his silly errors though.
That CD has been on repeat for 2 years at least. It's not happening, it's part of his game. He isn't good enough to be a first team starter in a top 10 side. Which is why we aren't one.
Post by: Ads on February 18, 2023, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on February 18, 2023, 10:27:20 PM
He even arrived in his full villa tracksuit ( he got changed for the party )
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2023, 10:30:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 03:37:44 PM
I’ve just been with him at Conor Coadys birthday party. What a lovely bloke.Wonderful news. Did he play happy birthday on the piano?
He even arrived in his full villa tracksuit ( he got changed for the party )
Mings is great on and off the pitch!
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2023, 03:59:40 PM
I’ve just been with him at Conor Coadys birthday party. What a lovely bloke.Wonderful news. Did he play happy birthday on the piano?
He even arrived in his full villa tracksuit ( he got changed for the party )
Mings is great on and off the pitch!
Why is that ‘wonderful news’? Bizarre.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
What have I done now!?Why is that ‘wonderful news’? Bizarre.I’ve just been with him at Conor Coadys birthday party. What a lovely bloke.Wonderful news. Did he play happy birthday on the piano?
He even arrived in his full villa tracksuit ( he got changed for the party )
Mings is great on and off the pitch!
What did I just do?
Aldridge has broke some news! And I found it to be very pleasant to hear.
When you meet a football player, there are rumours that they aren't very friendly or nice. And it made me happy to hear a good report.
Excuse me for saying!
Post by: Chap on February 19, 2023, 04:51:49 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 19, 2023, 06:51:42 PM
Why is that ‘wonderful news’? Bizarre.Why be so pedantic?
Post by: passport1 on February 19, 2023, 07:05:38 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 19, 2023, 07:10:52 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
It's well known he has a mistake in him.
Yep, rolled up with a present and a christmas card for Coady.
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2023, 07:54:16 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2023, 07:55:09 PM
I'm impressed and a little jealous that alrdidgeboy hangs out with the stars.
I think he's a magician of some sort, right aldridgeboy?
Post by: Villafirst on February 19, 2023, 09:41:40 PM
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2023, 09:45:45 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 19, 2023, 11:17:13 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 19, 2023, 11:20:11 PM
Paul McGrath?say three hail Mary's and ask for forgiveness my son
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 20, 2023, 09:46:56 AM
Paul McGrath?Just the one I remember. Nigel Clough turned him in a game against Forest.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 20, 2023, 11:50:19 AM
Anyone else see his superb clearance off the line a few minutes earlier? Yeah, I know it was offside, but that's what he offers.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 20, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
Really poor header by Tyrone, no excuses.Yes sublime to ridiculous in the space of a few minutes.
Anyone else see his superb clearance off the line a few minutes earlier? Yeah, I know it was offside, but that's what he offers.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 20, 2023, 01:27:17 PM
Paul McGrath?Just the one I remember. Nigel Clough turned him in a game against Forest.
That is just not possible. Unless he was playing with a broken foot, and then only maybe.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 25, 2023, 08:05:14 PM
Post by: Woody17 on February 25, 2023, 08:11:27 PM
Another solid performance. Seems to be an Alan Wright scapegoat figure on here at times but for me he’s Villa through and through and an absolute stalwart.Interesting thing you say there about Alan Wright as I don’t recall him being a scapegoat at any time…..in fact I thought the Holte End loved him?
It has been quite a few ears though :D
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 25, 2023, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 25, 2023, 08:18:46 PM
Maybe wrong Woody but seem to recall Alan Wright always being on the receiving end of the hot potato. I could well be wrong, it’s been a while!
I think Charles was often unfairly singled out from those days.
But I can see why people preferred Diana.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 25, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
Post by: john e on February 25, 2023, 08:24:25 PM
Another solid performance. Seems to be an Alan Wright scapegoat figure on here at times but for me he’s Villa through and through and an absolute stalwart.Interesting thing you say there about Alan Wright as I don’t recall him being a scapegoat at any time…..in fact I thought the Holte End loved him?
It has been quite a few ears though :D
No he’s right he was a massive scapegoat at the time
he’s my eldest lads all time favourite player because of it
Post by: Nev on February 25, 2023, 08:32:16 PM
Clean sheet.
Silence.
Post by: brontebilly on February 25, 2023, 08:33:45 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 08:37:49 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2023, 08:44:35 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2023, 08:51:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2023, 11:01:30 PM
An absolutely superb baul to Watkins for the start of the attack that led to the second goal.
I was just about to post that, superb. I love him warts and all, he'll be fantastic with someone half decent next him.
Post by: Louzie0 on February 25, 2023, 11:42:08 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 25, 2023, 11:59:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2023, 07:24:59 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 27, 2023, 07:28:26 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
Yowm fuckin barmy, moit.
Post by: Bad English on February 27, 2023, 07:28:55 PM
An absolutely superb baul to Watkins for the start of the attack that led to the second goal.
Quote from: Let me Google that typo
The Baul are a group of mystic minstrels of mixed elements of Sufism, Vaishnavism and Tantra from Bangladesh and the neighboring Indian states of West Bengal, Tripura and Assam's Barak Valley and Meghalaya. Bauls constitute both a syncretic religious sect of troubadours and a musical tradition.
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2023, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 27, 2023, 08:01:08 PM
Wrighty was a great full back especially that first season with Charles on the other side.I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
An absolutely superb baul to Watkins for the start of the attack that led to the second goal.Quote from: Let me Google that typoThe Baul are a group of mystic minstrels of mixed elements of Sufism, Vaishnavism and Tantra from Bangladesh and the neighboring Indian states of West Bengal, Tripura and Assam's Barak Valley and Meghalaya. Bauls constitute both a syncretic religious sect of troubadours and a musical tradition.
Not as good as the Shumanninininiiiites
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2023, 08:04:28 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
It's a brave call but I'll back you up by saying though I liked him, I always felt we could've been better in that position
Post by: Smirker on February 27, 2023, 08:15:26 PM
Post by: Richard on February 27, 2023, 11:10:35 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
It's a brave call but I'll back you up by saying though I liked him, I always felt we could've been better in that position
Thirded. Very over rated on here.
Post by: Rory on February 28, 2023, 02:53:04 AM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
I overlooked it when you slagged off RHCP, I took it in good humour when you dismissed U2, but don't ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER insult Alan Wright.
If you do, that sex session we arranged will not be happening.
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2023, 09:06:09 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 28, 2023, 12:42:05 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
It's a brave call but I'll back you up by saying though I liked him, I always felt we could've been better in that position
Thirded. Very over rated on here.
Fourthed.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 28, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 28, 2023, 01:01:14 PM
Poor bugger
I really liked the bloke, was incredibly good at beating players twice his height in the air and scored a couple of crackers
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2023, 01:05:17 PM
Sorry, I thought Wright was brilliant....or at least very decent.
Well he certainly wasn't crap. Virtually an ever present in the years we finished 4th and 5th and won the League Cup and then for several years after that when I don't think a Villa side with him in it finished lower than 8th.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 28, 2023, 01:16:54 PM
Sorry, I thought Wright was brilliant....or at least very decent.
Well he certainly wasn't crap. Virtually an ever present in the years we finished 4th and 5th and won the League Cup and then for several years after that when I don't think a Villa side with him in it finished lower than 8th.
Also the first player's name I ever had on the back of a Villa shirt - The 95-96 away.
I don't know why I chose Wright. Trying to be different as a 13 year old, I guess :)
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
The other is that once Charles got his horrible injury we went through a bunch of pretty average right backs (and seemed to change them every season) until Delaney came in which made the left side always feel so much more secure.
Post by: KevinGage on February 28, 2023, 02:33:47 PM
He was a different player in a 5/3 at the back from 95/96 onwards.
Good memories of that Savo and Draper side that developed under Little and he was a key part of a new way of playing.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 28, 2023, 02:54:38 PM
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2023, 03:01:12 PM
Wasn't overly impressed with him when he signed towards the back end of 94/95. Felt he was an obvious weakspot with his height and sides were targetting him accordingly.
He was a different player in a 5/3 at the back from 95/96 onwards.
Good memories of that Savo and Draper side that developed under Little and he was a key part of a new way of playing.
He came into a struggling side that was fighting relegation. Played his part in us staying up, and then helped us really kick on after that. We have had some truly abysmal left backs at Villa over the years, so to say that he was crap seems like mild insanity to me to be honest!
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 28, 2023, 04:28:52 PM
Scored a couple of absolute worldies too. Wand of a left foot!
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 28, 2023, 05:14:39 PM
Post by: Simon Page on February 28, 2023, 06:26:55 PM
Nobody in that 1995-96 team was shit.
Exactly. What a season and what a side. Almost worthy of mention alongside 76/7 and 80-82 and every bit as much fun as 89/90 and 92/3.
I'm struggling to grasp why there'd be any bad words about Alan Wright. We could only have got better if one of maybe half a dozen absolutely top class players worldwide had decided they wanted to nearly win something in Aston. Disliking Wright is like an extreme version of today's "not good enough for where we fantasise being". You wouldn't need to draft in another hand to count on your fingers the number of better left backs at the time.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2023, 07:27:58 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on February 28, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Nobody in that 1995-96 team was shit.
Agreed
Post by: FatSam on February 28, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 28, 2023, 08:06:21 PM
I know he was popular, but I always had a real problem with Alan Wright as a player.
What were your issues?
I thought he was shit.
It's a brave call but I'll back you up by saying though I liked him, I always felt we could've been better in that position
Thirded. Very over rated on here.
Fourthed.
All these people should be banned.
Wright was brilliant in his pomp. Did tail off a bit later on but the above is blasphemy of the highest order.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 28, 2023, 08:08:12 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2023, 08:46:09 PM
Wright’s goal in the 4-2 game at WHL is one of my best away day experiences.Yes I was in with the Tottenham fans behind the goal when he hit that one.
Absolute screamer.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2023, 08:48:54 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 28, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
I remember him scoring a belter away at Boro. He nearly scored a similar one down at Chelsea but it hit the bar and bounced down to someone who tapped it in.
Crouch I think
Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2023, 09:00:03 PM
I remember him scoring a belter away at Boro. He nearly scored a similar one down at Chelsea but it hit the bar and bounced down to someone who tapped it in.
Yep the Boro one was an absolute screamer.
Post by: Smirker on February 28, 2023, 09:03:09 PM
I had a weird problem with bald people when I was a late-teenager/early-20s. That could be it. If you could see me now, you'd be in no doubt that karma continues to exist, and indeed thrive.
😂
Post by: Rory on March 01, 2023, 03:53:53 AM
Sorry, I thought Wright was brilliant....or at least very decent.
Well he certainly wasn't crap. Virtually an ever present in the years we finished 4th and 5th and won the League Cup and then for several years after that when I don't think a Villa side with him in it finished lower than 8th.
Also the first player's name I ever had on the back of a Villa shirt - The 95-96 away.
I don't know why I chose Wright. Trying to be different as a 13 year old, I guess :)
I had the home shirt, same season & with Wright on the back. I was 6. Was my first kit. I wore it to every birthday party for the next five years.
Post by: Rory on March 01, 2023, 03:55:35 AM
I had a weird problem with bald people when I was a late-teenager/early-20s. That could be it. If you could see me now, you'd be in no doubt that karma continues to exist, and indeed thrive.
Let's not bring personal feelings into this, cue ball.
Post by: OCD on March 01, 2023, 11:25:23 AM
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2023, 11:36:16 AM
I wonder whether people would have thought of Wright differently if was of average height. I think his stature did influence what people thought of him, not just here but within the game too. It was a great spot by Little.
I can't see why it would have made any difference? That team was brilliant, and Wright more than played his part in it.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 01, 2023, 12:15:46 PM
I think there's a perception it was a weakness.I wonder whether people would have thought of Wright differently if was of average height. I think his stature did influence what people thought of him, not just here but within the game too. It was a great spot by Little.
I can't see why it would have made any difference? That team was brilliant, and Wright more than played his part in it.
My recollection was he had a great spring and was fine in the air for a fullback. I thought he was a great player and really liked him.
Post by: usav on March 01, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 01, 2023, 02:10:47 PM
Alan Wright had a freakish jump on him. Was one of my favourite players for the villa, so likeable and with real quality tooStill remember him outjumping Vinnie Jones in the match where we slaughtered them.
Post by: Hillbilly on March 10, 2023, 10:21:20 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 10, 2023, 11:23:07 PM
Tyrone Mings expressing support for the MoTD 6. The more evidence there is that he’s a sound person, the more I’m convinced he has bodies buried under his patio. Too good to be true.
Good for him.
More criticism of him as a player incoming.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2023, 11:44:07 PM
Tyrone Mings expressing support for the MoTD 6. The more evidence there is that he’s a sound person, the more I’m convinced he has bodies buried under his patio. Too good to be true.
Good for him.
More criticism of him as a player incoming.
I had a quick read of a number of the replies to his tweet and was pleasantly surprised that the vast majority were supportive, even from fans of other clubs including Blues.
Noticable exceptions seemed mainly Leeds and Albion fans. Hands up who is surprised at that.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 11, 2023, 12:22:58 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2023, 12:29:44 AM
Tyrone Mings expressing support for the MoTD 6. The more evidence there is that he’s a sound person, the more I’m convinced he has bodies buried under his patio. Too good to be true.
Good for him.
More criticism of him as a player incoming.
I had a quick read of a number of the replies to his tweet and was pleasantly surprised that the vast majority were supportive, even from fans of other clubs including Blues.
Noticable exceptions seemed mainly Leeds and Albion fans. Hands up who is surprised at that.
Would that be the Albion who have always held themselves up as doughty anti-racists?
Post by: Rory on March 11, 2023, 01:08:13 AM
Post by: algy on March 11, 2023, 07:28:31 AM
I love him to bits.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 11, 2023, 07:43:57 AM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 11:40:12 AM
Some ex pros and supporters and other outside observers get really agitated when footballers are being "busy" outside of football. Gerrard and Sourness (as I call him) didn't seem to want to allow for Mings bring anything other than a defender on the football field.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2023, 03:19:43 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2023, 03:27:48 PM
Imagine what the response would be if he went to Dublin for a couple of days!
Surely his preferred destination in Ireland would be Omagh.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 11, 2023, 04:19:44 PM
Imagine what the response would be if he went to Dublin for a couple of days!
Surely his preferred destination in Ireland would be Omagh.
It took a few moments for the penny to drop, and I was born in Fermanagh!
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2023, 06:00:07 PM
He and Mickey Oakes will be doing a Q&A following a Villa Park tour in the coming weeks. It might be a perfect opportunity to tell Alan your feelings about him to his face.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 06:11:37 PM
Ok but back to Alan Wright....
He and Mickey Oakes will be doing a Q&A following a Villa Park tour in the coming weeks. It might be a perfect opportunity to tell Alan your feelings about him to his face.
Well, that small portion of his face visible above the table, at least.
Post by: Hillbilly on March 12, 2023, 02:29:08 AM
Nobody goes to Co. Tyrone without good reason. And I say that as someone with roots there.Imagine what the response would be if he went to Dublin for a couple of days!
Surely his preferred destination in Ireland would be Omagh.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
My recollection was he had a great spring and was fine in the air for a fullback. I thought he was a great player and really liked him.
He definitely could out-jump and head the ball against taller people, the downside was he expended so much to make the leap that the header was usually then un-controlled and he was out of action for a few crucial seconds for the attacker to recover the ball. Still though, thought he was a great player and not a particular weak point in the team.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2023, 01:36:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2023, 01:38:32 PM
Imagine what the response would be if he went to Dublin for a couple of days!
Surely his preferred destination in Ireland would be Omagh.
It took a few moments for the penny to drop, and I was born in Fermanagh!
A bit of Fermanagh in me as well as my Mom was born there. :)
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2023, 04:02:43 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 15, 2023, 11:16:13 AM
Basis of form, playing time and consistency for club Mings outperforming Maguire and Cody.
Post by: olaftab on March 15, 2023, 11:26:06 AM
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 15, 2023, 12:22:36 PM
You are right Footy. Surely he's not going to pick Maguire as he has not played much lately, unless there is a request from manu for England to raise his match fitness level, and Cody has been totally gash.
Don't think I'd pick any of them if I were Southgate. Get Tomori and Guehi in there, or whichever other youngish centre-back they think has got potential and give them 15 games to build a partnership. So that next time there's no need to bring Maguire out of Man Utd's reserves.
Having a loyal and supportive manager is commendable, but there should be certain requirements for players
Certainly, I believe that the England national team needs to be refreshed, and players like ones mentioned given opportunity ahead of Maguire and others like Kyle Walker and Eric Dier who shouldn't really be taken into Squad consideration.
Mings would be a great assest to any national team squad in what he brings on and off the field.
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:20:00 PM
Don't think I'd pick any of them if I were Southgate. Get Tomori and Guehi in there, or whichever other youngish centre-back they think has got potential and give them 15 games to build a partnership. So that next time there's no need to bring Maguire out of Man Utd's reserves.
I thought Guehi was shit when we played them the other week. I'd definitely have Mings in the squad, I think he's a good influence to have around, even if he's your 4th or 5th choice to play.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 15, 2023, 03:35:33 PM
So Ty and Diego were born on near enough the same day? It must have been written in the 1983 stars that they would one day form a lethal partnership that would destroy everything in its path.
Liverpool never did get to field their dream team of Gianluigi Buffon and Jamie Carragher at the back.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2023, 04:01:15 PM
So Ty and Diego were born on near enough the same day? It must have been written in the 1983 stars that they would one day form a lethal partnership that would destroy everything in its path.
Or 93 even.
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 19, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 19, 2023, 10:57:56 AM
to have scored against that lot . I am sure they boo him yet they didn’t want him
Post by: Paul.S on March 19, 2023, 11:26:53 AM
Post by: danno on March 19, 2023, 11:30:46 AM
Yes would have loved him
to have scored against that lot . I am sure they boo him yet they didn’t want him
In the Holte am not sure I heard a peep out of them all game? Maybe a bit of a murmur when they got a free kick.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 23, 2023, 11:52:18 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
Mings is the only defender nominated
Since the others are all attacking players, Mings technically earns Defender of the Month.
Salah, Saka, Isaks, McCallistair, and Tossard have all been chosen alongside Mings.
How is Watkins not nominated?
I also believe that players who are nominated for player of the month should automatically be called up to the national squad.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 23, 2023, 04:05:13 PM
Post by: Nev on March 23, 2023, 04:08:26 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 09:46:02 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 23, 2023, 09:48:39 PM
Mings should be playing left centre back for England ahead of Maguire.
It's a huge injustice that he wasn't even in the squad. He's never let England down.
Post by: Villafirst on March 23, 2023, 09:52:45 PM
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Post by: Axl Rose on March 23, 2023, 10:41:29 PM
It does appear that Grealish although not showing his absolute Villa form, gets the nod because he now plays for the other team.
He has had the maverick drilled out of him and is now perfect for Gareth's cloggers
Post by: Legion on April 06, 2023, 04:21:26 PM
Mings and Archer both up for an award.
Post by: Legion on April 06, 2023, 04:24:33 PM
Post by: Mellin on April 06, 2023, 09:02:03 PM
Mings should be playing left centre back for England ahead of Maguire.
So obvious to me and barely talked about, even by us.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 06, 2023, 10:03:07 PM
Post by: Baldy on April 06, 2023, 10:05:09 PM
Fantastic in recent months.
Post by: DrGonzo on April 06, 2023, 11:13:53 PM
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 15, 2023, 03:11:39 PM
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Post by: Ian. on April 15, 2023, 03:20:57 PM
McGrath-like today.
What a player! Another shut out. How many is that now? Both ends of the pitch we have been outstanding for weeks now.
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2023, 03:23:15 PM
McGrath-like today.
Best centre half since McGrath for me, when you consider the whole package.
It's often forgot that he didn't have a whole pile of games at centre back prior to joining us.
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2023, 03:25:28 PM
Post by: Gerrin on April 15, 2023, 03:30:33 PM
Love Tyrone.
Same here. All credit to Ty still being in the first 11 after joining us in the Championship 4 years ago.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on April 16, 2023, 11:52:08 PM
I see him as a symbol of our recovery after the shit show years and for that reason, he is one of my favourite players since I started supporting. He's ace.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 17, 2023, 02:56:04 AM
He has pretty much entirely consistent for his time here, despite what people say, but Emery has taken his game to a new level. The thing about Tyrone is he hadn't played for pretty much four years before he joined us and came into the game late, so for a player of his age (25/26) he played the same number of games as a 20/21 year old. He still showed natural leadership qualities but had to learn on the job a bit. He now has the perfect manager to iron out the kinks and let his natural qualities shine.
I see him as a symbol of our recovery after the shit show years and for that reason, he is one of my favourite players since I started supporting. He's ace.
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Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2023, 05:19:11 AM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 09:14:34 AM
He has pretty much entirely consistent for his time here, despite what people say, but Emery has taken his game to a new level. The thing about Tyrone is he hadn't played for pretty much four years before he joined us and came into the game late, so for a player of his age (25/26) he played the same number of games as a 20/21 year old. He still showed natural leadership qualities but had to learn on the job a bit. He now has the perfect manager to iron out the kinks and let his natural qualities shine.
I see him as a symbol of our recovery after the shit show years and for that reason, he is one of my favourite players since I started supporting. He's ace.
He used to make mistakes, now he doesn't. That's the consistency we need from him. He's always had everything to be one of the best in the game. He's tall, powerful, quick and reads the game well, but he made too many mistakes to be considered really top level. The header to Mason Mount against Chelsea at home earlier in the season being one such example. Now though, he's been faultless for weeks and weeks, and his passing has improved no end as well.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 10:24:38 AM
But even his mistakes are sometimes over stated. How often have his mistakes led to a goal - once or twice a season maybe?
I think it was a lot more often that that.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 17, 2023, 10:33:24 AM
But even his mistakes are sometimes over stated. How often have his mistakes led to a goal - once or twice a season maybe?
I think it was a lot more often that that.
It seemed at one point Mings was having to shoulder too much on his own. The defence being properly drilled and receiving better protection from the midfield means that each can concentrate on their own jobs instead of being too easily pulled out of position.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 10:49:09 AM
According to this page https://www.premierleague.com/players/8900/Tyrone-Mings/stats?co=1&se=489 it's:But even his mistakes are sometimes over stated. How often have his mistakes led to a goal - once or twice a season maybe?
I think it was a lot more often that that.
22/23 - 2
21/22 - 1
20/21 - 1
Whereas he seems to make a goal saving block or tackle pretty much every other game.
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 10:49:10 AM
But even his mistakes are sometimes over stated. How often have his mistakes led to a goal - once or twice a season maybe?
I think it was a lot more often that that.
It seemed at one point Mings was having to shoulder too much on his own. The defence being properly drilled and receiving better protection from the midfield means that each can concentrate on their own jobs instead of being too easily pulled out of position.
Yes the whole team is playing 100 times better now. Defending as a unit and attacking as a unit. When we don't have the ball it's often 6 players we have defending like their lives depend on it. Picking a random game as a comparison from Gerrard's time, look at the 3-3 draw with Leeds last year. Some great attacking play from Coutinho and Ramsey, but the midfield and the defence especially Mings, were all over the place. We see none of that now, and the one game where we did (Leicester at home) was obviously used by Emery as a lesson to them all to tighten up.
One of the big differences that Emery has instilled is consistency, with Mings one of the main beneficiaries. How many times in the last few years have we heard "if we play like that we'll win more than we lose" only to play like drains the following week? Or "we've had a great week in training" only for the team to yet again, play like they've only just met.
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 10:51:50 AM
According to this page https://www.premierleague.com/players/8900/Tyrone-Mings/stats?co=1&se=489 it's:But even his mistakes are sometimes over stated. How often have his mistakes led to a goal - once or twice a season maybe?
I think it was a lot more often that that.
22/23 - 2
21/22 - 1
20/21 - 1
Whereas he seems to make a goal saving block or tackle pretty much every other game.
That all depends on how you class a mistake leading to a goal I guess. I seem to recall in the Leeds game I mention above he was at least partly responsible for all three goals. But in any case, those days are firmly behind him. He's been absolutely brilliant. To misquote the bellend Leeds fans "Tyrone Mings, is fucking great, Tyrone Mings is fucking great."
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2023, 10:59:04 AM
Yes, the whole team is playing 100 times better now. Defending as a unit and attacking as a unit. When we don't have the ball it's often 6 players we have defending like their lives depend on it. Picking a random game as a comparison from Gerrard's time, look at the 3-3 draw with Leeds last year. Some great attacking play from Coutinho and Ramsey, but the midfield and the defence especially Mings, were all over the place. We see none of that now, and the one game where we did (Leicester at home) was obviously used by Emery as a lesson to them all to tighten up.That Leeds game was one of his worst in a Villa shirt. He let Bamford get in his head. I think it was very much an anomaly though, and a lot of the mistakes that he has made have been due to being exposed by the system, or his team mates, and being the one who takes responsibility for situations. It was him making last ditch tackles, or goal line clearances. I maintain that he’s always been a good player, and good enough for the top places of the EPL, and now we have a manager and system that are bringing it to realisation. He’s basically risen to every challenge along the way, since he joined us in January 2019. His character and presence have a lot to do with that also.
Post by: German James on April 17, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 17, 2023, 11:05:16 AM
Even brilliant defenders start cocking up regularly if the team is looking iffy. For evidence look no further than Van Dyke, often lauded as one of the best on the planet. This season he's looked more like Ciaran Clark.
I probably used to be overly critical of Mings, but Emery has opened my eyes a bit to the fact that individuals are often made to look worse by indifferent managers. Maybe it's a lesson to me to be more patient in future.
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2023, 11:09:34 AM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 11:14:15 AM
Yes, the whole team is playing 100 times better now. Defending as a unit and attacking as a unit. When we don't have the ball it's often 6 players we have defending like their lives depend on it. Picking a random game as a comparison from Gerrard's time, look at the 3-3 draw with Leeds last year. Some great attacking play from Coutinho and Ramsey, but the midfield and the defence especially Mings, were all over the place. We see none of that now, and the one game where we did (Leicester at home) was obviously used by Emery as a lesson to them all to tighten up.That Leeds game was one of his worst in a Villa shirt. He let Bamford get in his head. I think it was very much an anomaly though, and a lot of the mistakes that he has made have been due to being exposed by the system, or his team mates, and being the one who takes responsibility for situations. It was him making last ditch tackles, or goal line clearances. I maintain that he’s always been a good player, and good enough for the top places of the EPL, and now we have a manager and system that are bringing it to realisation. He’s basically risen to every challenge along the way, since he joined us in January 2019. His character and presence have a lot to do with that also.
That Leeds game with Bamford was the year before under Smith. Last year was when we were 3-1 up and ballsed it up to draw 3-3. Mings gave the ball away badly for their first, got outjumped for their second, and passed it to one of their players for the third.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 11:16:18 AM
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Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 12:47:54 PM
I love him.
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 17, 2023, 01:15:58 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Stevie Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 01:30:01 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
Post by: Dave P on April 17, 2023, 01:35:32 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
That might be a stretch too far to be fair.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 17, 2023, 01:38:39 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
Yes, as unforgivable as it was unnecessary. I found myself thinking throughout the game Saturday about Gerrard and what he might be thinking and then sort of thanking him for being as shit as he was which made the appointment of Emery happen. So thank you Stevie G for being a fucking useless manager.
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 01:38:59 PM
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 02:07:29 PM
That might be a stretch too far to be fair.
Yes, Gerrard unnecessarily created an issue for himself which didn't need to happen, and his time in charge went completely to shit, but any suggestion of racism is out of order. He didn't seem to have a problem with Young, Kamara or any other of our other black players.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 17, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
That might be a stretch too far to be fair.
Yes, Gerrard unnecessarily created an issue for himself which didn't need to happen, and his time in charge went completely to shit, but any suggestion of racism is out of order. He didn't seem to have a problem with Young, Kamara or any other of our other black players.
Our other black players weren't in the media talking about BLM. I think Gerrard wasn't a fan of what Tyrone did in his spare time.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 17, 2023, 02:34:38 PM
Let's get back to praising our titan at the back.
Post by: darren woolley on April 17, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 17, 2023, 02:44:27 PM
So prior to joining the Villa he had very few games at CB and certainly had no regular first team football. He was learning his trade and I think that, reasonably, accounts for some of the mistakes he made and are now less of a feature.
Plus as has been mentioned, until recently he was doing more to organise the backline and covering for Konsa (who is improved but still a bit suspect when a ball is played in behind him or a high ball over his head).
Unfortunately for Tyrone he is also a player that has got tagged with a reputation. In his case, making the ocasional clanger - something that Maguire and Dier have managed to avoid.
He's a great player and seemingly a decent person. UTV
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 17, 2023, 02:48:57 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 17, 2023, 02:59:50 PM
I don't think Maguire has managed to avoid the Captain moniker.Maybe, but certainly not as much as is merited. Truly shocking player that is a back-up at Man U ... and an ever-present for Southgate's England. ???
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:13:14 PM
That might be a stretch too far to be fair.
Yes, Gerrard unnecessarily created an issue for himself which didn't need to happen, and his time in charge went completely to shit, but any suggestion of racism is out of order. He didn't seem to have a problem with Young, Kamara or any other of our other black players.
Our other black players weren't in the media talking about BLM. I think Gerrard wasn't a fan of what Tyrone did in his spare time.
See also Graeme Sourness and his criticism.
There are a great number of people in this country who have no problem with people of other races as long as they shut their mouths and know their place.
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
There are a great number of people in this country who have no problem with people of other races as long as they shut their mouths and know their place.
There might be. Any evidence whatsoever that this is a stick to beat Gerrard with though?
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
There are a great number of people in this country who have no problem with people of other races as long as they shut their mouths and know their place.
There might be. Any evidence whatsoever that this is a stick to beat Gerrard with though?
No, but in the absence of a sporting or in any way logical reason for doing what he did people will speculate.
Post by: Nev on April 17, 2023, 03:36:26 PM
It sounds ridiculous but has anyone else got a better explanation for that look me in the eye cobblers?
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:39:22 PM
The only reason I could fathom that was due to the size of his ego, Gerrard wanted to bring Mings down a peg or two. I don't believe it was anything other than that. Tyrone is immensely popular both on and off the pitch and I think he was jealous.
It sounds ridiculous but has anyone else got a better explanation for that look me in the eye cobblers?
I tend to think it was that, but it was clumsy as fuck and the point where any credit he had with the majority of fans disappeared.
Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2023, 03:41:48 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 03:53:04 PM
There are a great number of people in this country who have no problem with people of other races as long as they shut their mouths and know their place.
There might be. Any evidence whatsoever that this is a stick to beat Gerrard with though?
No, but in the absence of a sporting or in any way logical reason for doing what he did people will speculate.
Gerrard was billy big bollocks, tried to show off in a playground fight and rightly got shown up for the inadequate bully he is.
Thankfully, we got well and truly done by Fulham, and Sawiris lost his shit.
Post by: danno on April 17, 2023, 03:57:22 PM
I think it was definitely a case of him picking a fight with the incredibly popular club captain to try to stamp his authority on the club, particularly given he had a pretty lukewarm reception.
It did smack of small dog syndrome.
But to be honest Mings and McGinn are playing as well/better than they ever have, so perhaps too much is made of wearing the armband (or not) anyway.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 17, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
Unfortunately for Stevie Mee, it backfired badly.
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 04:03:42 PM
There are a great number of people in this country who have no problem with people of other races as long as they shut their mouths and know their place.
There might be. Any evidence whatsoever that this is a stick to beat Gerrard with though?
No, but in the absence of a sporting or in any way logical reason for doing what he did people will speculate.
I think Nev's hit the nail on the head. After a pretty good start, the new manager bounce wore off and the season fizzled out pretty badly. I don't think anybody would have blamed if he'd just announced a new captain and left it at that, as obviously a lot of new managers want to pick their own man. The mistakes he made were a) choosing John McGinn, who was in terrible form, b) picking a dog's arse of a team against Bournemouth and losing and c) getting riled up by the previously unheard off BBC WM reporter, letting his guard down and making the stupid remarks about Mings.
If he'd picked Martinez as captain, we'd won the game, and he'd kept his trap shut, nobody would have batted an eye lid. Lots of people were saying Chambers of all people deserved a start after pre-season.
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 04:39:30 PM
I think it was definitely a case of him picking a fight with the incredibly popular club captain to try to stamp his authority on the club, particularly given he had a pretty lukewarm reception.
It did smack of small dog syndrome.
But to be honest Mings and McGinn are playing as well/better than they ever have, so perhaps too much is made of wearing the armband (or not) anyway.
I agree, it's a bollocks thing in football really. So it's odd that he chose to make a big deal out of it, though I imagine he places more value in it than most because he thinks being captain is super important because he was captain and he was super important.
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 17, 2023, 05:46:00 PM
That might be a stretch too far to be fair.
Yes, Gerrard unnecessarily created an issue for himself which didn't need to happen, and his time in charge went completely to shit, but any suggestion of racism is out of order. He didn't seem to have a problem with Young, Kamara or any other of our other black players.
Our other black players weren't in the media talking about BLM. I think Gerrard wasn't a fan of what Tyrone did in his spare time.
I'm sure sections of our fanbase aren't fans of Mings' social commentary either, have heard 'he should stick to football' in the Holte before now.
It's good that the form he's in leaves no one with the excuse to make those comments now.
Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2023, 07:19:23 PM
I think it was definitely a case of him picking a fight with the incredibly popular club captain to try to stamp his authority on the club, particularly given he had a pretty lukewarm reception.I’d agree with that - I think any suggestion of racism is stretching it to the extreme.
Post by: brontebilly on April 18, 2023, 11:01:36 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
That's not on (last sentence)..Gerrard was guilty of a lot of things but not that. I'd agree on the rookie manager trying to force his authority on his captain, guilty of listening too much to the likes of Souness, Keane etc. Perhaps something went down on the summer tour too, right from the Bournemouth game something just seemed off with the players and really Gerrard should have been let go after the diabolical defeat at Palace soon after.
Maybe Carlos was going to be the next Maldini in terms of playing out from the back but Gerrard completely mismanaged that situation with a very popular player. I think he was on borrowed time really from that.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2023, 11:17:03 PM
Thought i would go back and found this
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 20, 2023, 08:34:23 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 20, 2023, 09:59:45 PM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
That's not on (last sentence)..Gerrard was guilty of a lot of things but not that. I'd agree on the rookie manager trying to force his authority on his captain, guilty of listening too much to the likes of Souness, Keane etc. Perhaps something went down on the summer tour too, right from the Bournemouth game something just seemed off with the players and really Gerrard should have been let go after the diabolical defeat at Palace soon after.
Maybe Carlos was going to be the next Maldini in terms of playing out from the back but Gerrard completely mismanaged that situation with a very popular player. I think he was on borrowed time really from that.
Ive known someone a very long time, who through work knows someone who in turn knows Gerard…..I know how this sounds…
Anyway, this ITK (or not) said Gerard has admitted to those he knows, he massively f**ked up at Villa. His idea was to break certain players down and then try to and build them back up and mould them into what he wanted. Apparently he didn’t appreciate how tight Mings was/is with McGinn, Watkins and Martinez, and how in turn these players are the key to the dressing room and the whole thing started to unravel for him quickly from pre season onwards.
Might be absolute nonsense, but kind of has a ring of truth about it to me, but who knows.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 20, 2023, 10:35:01 PM
Interview with the great man here (from around 20 mins in): https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/michael-calvins-football-people/id1090909834
Thanks for posting. That is a must listen imo, about both Tyrone but also what he says about Unai.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 01:08:20 AM
Interview with the great man here (from around 20 mins in): https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/michael-calvins-football-people/id1090909834
Thanks for posting. That is a must listen imo, about both Tyrone but also what he says about Unai.
Cheers, Paddy. 19 minutes is the place to start. I can't imagine Mings' reaction when told he no longer needs to be throwing his body on the line. It just confirms my long term belief that the most important signing is the manager. It's the biggest job at the club. As PWS says, it's a must listen. And to think Slippy G thought Tyrone was distracted (by BLM, etc?), Ty has proved he can do both. Love him.
Post by: nigel on April 21, 2023, 08:17:59 AM
Interview with the great man here (from around 20 mins in): https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/michael-calvins-football-people/id1090909834
Brilliant listen.
Really like Tyrone anyway, I like him even more so now.
Interesting about Rodri, the ‘individual performance coach’, and his knowledge on every position.
Post by: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 08:59:19 AM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
That's not on (last sentence)..Gerrard was guilty of a lot of things but not that. I'd agree on the rookie manager trying to force his authority on his captain, guilty of listening too much to the likes of Souness, Keane etc. Perhaps something went down on the summer tour too, right from the Bournemouth game something just seemed off with the players and really Gerrard should have been let go after the diabolical defeat at Palace soon after.
Maybe Carlos was going to be the next Maldini in terms of playing out from the back but Gerrard completely mismanaged that situation with a very popular player. I think he was on borrowed time really from that.
Ive known someone a very long time, who through work knows someone who in turn knows Gerard…..I know how this sounds…
Anyway, this ITK (or not) said Gerard has admitted to those he knows, he massively f**ked up at Villa. His idea was to break certain players down and then try to and build them back up and mould them into what he wanted. Apparently he didn’t appreciate how tight Mings was/is with McGinn, Watkins and Martinez, and how in turn these players are the key to the dressing room and the whole thing started to unravel for him quickly from pre season onwards.
Might be absolute nonsense, but kind of has a ring of truth about it to me, but who knows.
That day at Palace, after going ahead, the way the players downed tools really suggested serious problems. Tactically Gerrard was all over the place too. Likes of Cash bombing forward sending a series of shite crosses into Watkins up against maybe three defenders, getting constantly caught for numbers on the counter with likes of McGinn.
Emery tactically owned EtH in his first game and hasn't really looked back.
Post by: Baldy on April 21, 2023, 09:53:19 AM
The talk of a 'winning mentality' is so refreshing after years of many players just going through the motions.
Post by: FrankyH on April 21, 2023, 09:56:07 AM
Post by: FatSam on April 21, 2023, 10:02:01 AM
Ive known someone a very long time, who through work knows someone who in turn knows Gerard…..I know how this sounds…That may well be the case, but regardless of this, he wasn’t able to set the team up to win games anyway. If the only aspect of management that you are able to influence is motivating players, and you can’t even do that, then you are finished.
Anyway, this ITK (or not) said Gerard has admitted to those he knows, he massively f**ked up at Villa. His idea was to break certain players down and then try to and build them back up and mould them into what he wanted. Apparently he didn’t appreciate how tight Mings was/is with McGinn, Watkins and Martinez, and how in turn these players are the key to the dressing room and the whole thing started to unravel for him quickly from pre season onwards.
Might be absolute nonsense, but kind of has a ring of truth about it to me, but who knows.
Post by: LeeB on April 21, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
I honestly think in a few years time we'll look back and realise he's been one of our most important signings in the last 30 years. He's been absolutely instrumental in getting us from one of our lowest ebbs to the fringes of European qualification. I'd say probably after Jack our he's been our single most important player in that period. A talisman. Awesome.
Without doubt I'd say he is already the most important signing we have made in the last 30 years. After we'd been left with one fit CB by Potato Head and were probably drifting towards another season in the Championship it was Mings signing that changed things. We almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without him, and would be nowhere near where we are now.
Of all the crap we put up with from Gerrard, his treatment of Mings was the most unforgivable for me and why I love to imagine what Steven Me is thinking as he watches Mings playing the best football of his life under one of the best managers world football.
It marked his card for me. If nothing else it smacked of a rookie trying to force his authority and in reality just creating unnecessary problems for himself. Our kid said the other day he wondered if there was a race element to it
That's not on (last sentence)..Gerrard was guilty of a lot of things but not that. I'd agree on the rookie manager trying to force his authority on his captain, guilty of listening too much to the likes of Souness, Keane etc. Perhaps something went down on the summer tour too, right from the Bournemouth game something just seemed off with the players and really Gerrard should have been let go after the diabolical defeat at Palace soon after.
Maybe Carlos was going to be the next Maldini in terms of playing out from the back but Gerrard completely mismanaged that situation with a very popular player. I think he was on borrowed time really from that.
Ive known someone a very long time, who through work knows someone who in turn knows Gerard…..I know how this sounds…
Anyway, this ITK (or not) said Gerard has admitted to those he knows, he massively f**ked up at Villa. His idea was to break certain players down and then try to and build them back up and mould them into what he wanted. Apparently he didn’t appreciate how tight Mings was/is with McGinn, Watkins and Martinez, and how in turn these players are the key to the dressing room and the whole thing started to unravel for him quickly from pre season onwards.
Might be absolute nonsense, but kind of has a ring of truth about it to me, but who knows.
That day at Palace, after going ahead, the way the players downed tools really suggested serious problems. Tactically Gerrard was all over the place too. Likes of Cash bombing forward sending a series of shite crosses into Watkins up against maybe three defenders, getting constantly caught for numbers on the counter with likes of McGinn.
Emery tactically owned EtH in his first game and hasn't really looked back.
I was at the Palace game and it was the point where I knew the gig was up, and it felt like every else there knew as well.
If what has been said is true then it just confirms what a twat he was. Why go through that cod psychologist shite, just fucking coach the players and give them a tactical platform to play with confidence. Everything else will look after itself.
Dickhead.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 21, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
One of our best 5 signings in the last 10-15 years.
Post by: dr.chekov on April 21, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
Not only does he have plenty in the bank with us he has the keys to the vault. He's been absolutely fantastic since the moment he joined us and his desire to play for this club has been clear to all. Not only that but he's a fantastic captain and example and he deserved the backing he got from the support and probably team mates over the old manager.
One of our best 5 signings in the last 10-15 years.
Agree with all this. I am obviously very happy he’s back to his best, but my affection for him wasn’t diminished when he was having a tough time on the pitch
Post by: Monty on April 21, 2023, 10:19:14 AM
We've got some good interviewees don't we, what with Tyrone and McGinn. I think Ash has been insightful too in recent times, now he's a seasoned vet.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 21, 2023, 11:11:51 AM
Loved that interview, what a guy he is.
We've got some good interviewees don't we, what with Tyrone and McGinn. I think Ash has been insightful too in recent times, now he's a seasoned vet.
Yes, it’s the type of insightful interview that you expect from other sports but is much rarer in football in this country. A credit to the interviewer and interviewee.
So glad Tyrone is one of ours.
Post by: nigel on April 21, 2023, 11:51:03 AM
He said ‘You’re here, you’re there, you’re every-fkin-where’ (ok, he didn’t say the last bit)
‘ I just want you to play in your position’
So we might have to change Tyrone’s song!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 21, 2023, 12:08:23 PM
Loved that interview, what a guy he is.
We've got some good interviewees don't we, what with Tyrone and McGinn. I think Ash has been insightful too in recent times, now he's a seasoned vet.
Yes, it’s the type of insightful interview that you expect from other sports but is much rarer in football in this country. A credit to the interviewer and interviewee.
So glad Tyrone is one of ours.
It's a great interview, hopefully he does more of them in future when we have realized our potential under Emery. Mings is 30 and supremely fit, we could get another 6 years or more out of him I think if he remains injury free.
Post by: LeeB on April 21, 2023, 12:17:09 PM
In the interview it was interesting that he said that Unai showed him a video of how he was playing,
He said ‘You’re here, you’re there, you’re every-fkin-where’ (ok, he didn’t say the last bit)
‘ I just want you to play in your position’
So we might have to change Tyrone’s song!
He's here, that's it,
'Cause Emery's not a tit,
Tyrone Mings, Tyrone Mings
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2023, 01:33:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 01:37:55 PM
Post by: Monty on April 21, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
Anyway, Mings is just bloody brilliant.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 21, 2023, 01:59:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Post by: danno on April 21, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
I liked Mings saying that as long as he achieved what he could, by trying his best then he'd be happy; it's not all about trophies for him..
I was thinking the other day that he has already had more highs as a Villa player in four years, than Gareth Barry had in ten.
Ten games in a row
Playoff final win
First England Cap
First win back in the Premier league against Everton
Beating Leicester in the semi final
Playing in our first cup final in five years
Last minute winner against Watford
Staying up on the last day
Beating the then world champions Liverpool 7-2
Beating Arsenal three league games in a row
First Villa win at Old Trafford since 2009
First league win against Man Utd at villa park since 1995
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:27:18 PM
Could you ever imagine Emery saying “Chelsea should be wiping the floor with us” or any team for that matter?
That's a good point. I appreciate it's early days but when we do come to replace Emery I expect the bar to be raised to levels we've never seen before.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 21, 2023, 02:36:45 PM
Could you ever imagine Emery saying “Chelsea should be wiping the floor with us” or any team for that matter?
Gerrard's big strength was meant to be his winning mentality. That comment said otherwise.
Absolute charlatan.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 21, 2023, 02:45:43 PM
Could you ever imagine Emery saying “Chelsea should be wiping the floor with us” or any team for that matter?
Gerrard's big strength was meant to be his winning mentality. That comment said otherwise.
Absolute charlatan.
Did anyone question why they should wipe the floor with us ?
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 21, 2023, 02:47:58 PM
Could you ever imagine Emery saying “Chelsea should be wiping the floor with us” or any team for that matter?
Gerrard's big strength was meant to be his winning mentality. That comment said otherwise.
Absolute charlatan.
Did anyone question why they should wipe the floor with us ?
Somebody must have wiped the floor when Steevie played them. Just forgot to put the slippery when wet sign up.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2023, 01:33:17 AM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1650965567614992390
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 26, 2023, 02:56:40 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2023, 02:31:37 PM
Interview with the great man here (from around 20 mins in): https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/michael-calvins-football-people/id1090909834
Brilliant listen.
Really like Tyrone anyway, I like him even more so now.
Interesting about Rodri, the ‘individual performance coach’, and his knowledge on every position.
That Michael Calvin has such a soporific voice.
Also, he did a superb accidental Partridge at the start when he referred to Nelson Mandela as "A hero of mine".
Post by: Goldenballs on May 16, 2023, 07:17:45 PM
What a guy. I can forgive him the occasional terribly timed, appallingly executed Cruyff turn.
Post by: Ian. on May 16, 2023, 07:39:14 PM
Post by: Rory on May 16, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
I'm not a child, not autistic, not profoundly deaf and no cerebral palsy, but if you showed up at my door I'd show you the respect you deserve by bursting into tears and passing out.
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2023, 07:52:50 PM
Fantastic
Post by: trinityoap on May 16, 2023, 08:00:42 PM
Post by: Rigadon on May 16, 2023, 08:09:22 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1658495297742426113?t=V40YIdw1zYeXFwlW06D9zA&s=19
What a guy. I can forgive him the occasional terribly timed, appallingly executed Cruyff turn.
There is very little not to love about Tyrone Mingsm and that little girl is amazing.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 16, 2023, 08:12:36 PM
There. I’ve said it.
Post by: Rory on May 16, 2023, 08:18:19 PM
I’d pay money to hold his hand.
There. I’ve said it.
So that's me and Jon who should've been there instead of Lucy. Why is it always kids with medical conditions? When do we podgy (speaking only for myself there, Jon) grown men get to hold Tyrone's hand?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2023, 08:21:56 PM
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Post by: aldridgeboy on May 16, 2023, 10:49:59 PM
He’s such an impressive human being i n how he carries himself ( as is she)
And talking to her even on the pitch walk.
Take a bow son.
( also the contrast between our players signing all the kids autograph books in comparison to that vital clip of the arsenal players ignoring the
Mascot a few weeks ago )
Post by: Axl Rose on May 16, 2023, 10:51:32 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on May 16, 2023, 11:37:49 PM
Tyrone fits that description, as well 😎
And I loved, ‘It’s Super John McGinn!‘
Great to see all the players talking to the mascots collecting autographs.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 11:39:05 PM
Saw it on Instagram. My eyes were leaking by the end of it. I love how feisty she is.
She's brilliant as is a very humble 'Mings!'.
Loved how she only knew the surname of the players except 'Super John McGinn'. What a girl!
Post by: purpletrousers on May 16, 2023, 11:48:27 PM
I genuinely love Tyrone Mings. Fantastic guy, humble beginnings, and a difficult upbringing of made him the man he is. Steven Gerrard was a fool for the way he handled the whole captaincy thing. Tyrone is a leader and a wonderful person. Beautiful video.
It’s so good. Well done all the Villa.
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2023, 06:45:45 AM
It’s the littlest moments, the things that just come naturally which mean the most, and his hug for Lucy at the end made dust appear in my eyes.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 17, 2023, 07:54:42 AM
Something Lucy and her family and friends will remember forever
Post by: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 07:59:44 AM
He doesn't have the captain's armband but when you see a video like this, you see that a strip of material doesn't make a difference. He's still captain in all but name.
I agree. This is why he got my vote for player of the season. He's still a leader and putting himself out there to do his best, despite all the crap with Gerrard and the captaincy. He could have sulked or hid or threw his toys out the pram, but he just got on with it.
Post by: Mellin on May 17, 2023, 08:08:55 AM
Well done Ty.
Post by: dave shelley on May 17, 2023, 08:26:31 AM
I saw another example the other day of the way Aston Villa conduct themselves with their fanbase. I think it was on the official site. A young lass with bullying issues amongst other problems is an aspiring goalkeeper and without her knowing what was really happening she was brought to Bodymoor to spend a couple of hours with the women's team, meet her favourites and join in a small training session. If ever there was another reason to love this club we have seen it in the past few days.
Post by: Rotterdam on May 17, 2023, 08:33:51 AM
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 17, 2023, 09:37:52 AM
Brilliant for big TY he really is a great man. Loved Lucy shouting out Super Unai Emery, Moreno, Super John McGinn and Emi Buendia from Argentina. What a great girl and character.This.
Just brilliant!
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on May 17, 2023, 12:28:52 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 17, 2023, 01:11:14 PM
I've said it before, in years to come we'll look back upon Tyrone Mings as one of the finest ambassadors this club has ever had.
Hear, Hear - just when you think he could not be any better a man - this.
A truly outstanding human
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2023, 01:19:26 PM
I've said it before, in years to come we'll look back upon Tyrone Mings as one of the finest ambassadors this club has ever had.
Surely he is already?
Post by: simon ward 50 on May 17, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 03:24:31 PM
Saw it on Instagram. My eyes were leaking by the end of it. I love how feisty she is.
She's brilliant as is a very humble 'Mings!'.
Loved how she only knew the surname of the players except 'Super John McGinn'. What a girl!
And ‘Emi Buendia from Argentina’.
Post by: avfc456 on May 17, 2023, 03:40:41 PM
What a fine young lady also Lucy was, really did put a lump in my throat watching it.
Post by: achilles on May 17, 2023, 04:14:48 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 17, 2023, 04:33:15 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 11:18:56 PM
Southgate names his sqaud for Euro 2024 qualifiers on Wednesday.
Post by: Yeltzer on May 24, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on May 24, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
Do me a favour!
Post by: Axl Rose on May 24, 2023, 02:16:55 PM
He’s in the England squad. Well done, Ty
Seconded. He's been superb since Emery came in.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2023, 02:22:09 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on May 24, 2023, 02:23:56 PM
Kalvin Phillips, Harry Maguire, James Maddison?
Do me a favour!
Well, at least we know Kalvin Phillips is going to be fresh. Having played close to bugger-all football this season.
He'll also miss the first game due to getting bench splinters at the Chumps Final
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 24, 2023, 02:44:08 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:51:27 PM
Totally deserved. I know we’re biased , but I really haven’t seen a better CB this season. Particularly English.
He's definitely been one of the form defenders in the league this calendar year, it would've been ridiculous to not call him up, not even Southgate could've justified it.
On the subject of Southgate his comments about Toney are fucking stupid, almost completely ignoring the fact that Toney is entirely responsible for everything that happened by knowingly and repeatedly breaking rules, and here's Southgate making jokes about being banned for talking to him and and worrying about the damage it'll do to his career not being allowed to train, that's the entire fucking point, it's meant to be enough of a threat to act as a deterrent, not just an inconvenience if you get caught.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 24, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
StevieMe can look him in the eye from the BT sofa
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 24, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Well done a deserved re-call.
StevieMe can look him in the eye from the BT sofa
Superb
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2023, 09:46:09 PM
Well done Tyrone, well deserved, he's been absolutely fantastic.
Absolutely, deserved the recall based on recent form.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2023, 09:46:48 PM
I do think Tyrone Mings deserves a call up to the England squad and would be a fitting tribute to acknowledge his season
Southgate names his sqaud for Euro 2024 qualifiers on Wednesday.
Called it when no one else did. ¡Muy bueno!
Post by: RichardBatchelor on May 24, 2023, 10:07:12 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 25, 2023, 08:06:05 AM
Well done a deserved re-call.
StevieMe can look him in the eye from the BT sofa
Surely Stevie would be taking the credit. "look at him now after I made him a better player by removing the captaincy and dropping him!"
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 08:17:53 AM
He should never have been dropped. By Gerrard or Southgate.I don’t have a problem with him being dropped when he was, it is the total inconsistency that Southgate shows regarding squad selection, examples Maguire Phillips Mount , doesn’t matter what firm they are in he selects and plays them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 11:48:36 AM
Smith also dropped Mings.He should never have been dropped. By Gerrard or Southgate.I don’t have a problem with him being dropped when he was, it is the total inconsistency that Southgate shows regarding squad selection, examples Maguire Phillips Mount , doesn’t matter what firm they are in he selects and plays them.
I think Southgate wants some consistency and cannot simply overhaul the squad every time.
He has players who have performed for him and who he can trust. Same with any manager.
I don't think Southgate is the most ruthless of managers but he's one of the best England have ever had and his methods and selections have been more successful than failure in terms of progress.
Post by: Paul.S on May 25, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
Smith also dropped Mings.He should never have been dropped. By Gerrard or Southgate.I don’t have a problem with him being dropped when he was, it is the total inconsistency that Southgate shows regarding squad selection, examples Maguire Phillips Mount , doesn’t matter what firm they are in he selects and plays them.
I think Southgate wants some consistency and cannot simply overhaul the squad every time.
He has players who have performed for him and who he can trust. Same with any manager.
I don't think Southgate is the most ruthless of managers but he's one of the best England have ever had and his methods and selections have been more successful than failure in terms of progress.
I’m sure he can trust Maguire. Just like he did at the World Cup when he failed to mark his man for the winner. Maguire’s club form has resulted in him sitting on the bench for most of the season yet somehow he’s good enough for international football. The same goes for Phillips who’s had a few minutes.
He’s not been successful, he’s failed to prove he can change the game from the bench as proven in the last 3 tournaments. If you keep picking the same players you’ll get the same results and ultimately we fail when it comes to the crunch.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 25, 2023, 01:20:47 PM
Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 01:21:23 PM
He didn't have much of a club management career, and what there was was shit, so he hasn't got that experience of how to change things when things aren't going to plan.
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2023, 01:45:45 PM
...but he relies on too many plonkers like Maguire, and he hasn't really got a set way of playing or the ability to bring the best out of players.
It's not like Maguire is keeping McGrath and Baresi out of the squad though.
England have got a dearth of quality at centre-back, and it's not particuarly obvious who the best ones are. You've got about half a dozen who go through a few months of brilliant form followed by a few months of Micah Richards impressions. On form I'd say that the best two are Stones and Mings, but it's only a few months ago that both of them were figures of fun themselves.
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 01:53:39 PM
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
That's the point though. Maguire is fine when we're sticking 5 past the likes of Malta or whoever, because the rest of the team is usually good enough to compensate. When it comes to the crunch though, he isn't fine, as he's demonstrated on a few occasions. Also, while all other players might have indifferent seasons, at least they're playing regular football against top flight opposition. Maguire isn't, which also isn't going to help in the long run.
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2023, 02:18:22 PM
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
That's the point though. Maguire is fine when we're sticking 5 past the likes of Malta or whoever, because the rest of the team is usually good enough to compensate. When it comes to the crunch though, he isn't fine, as he's demonstrated on a few occasions. Also, while all other players might have indifferent seasons, at least they're playing regular football against top flight opposition. Maguire isn't, which also isn't going to help in the long run.
Maguire has played well in the big tournaments though to be fair to Southgate. He's fine when he's sat on his 18 yard box with the likes of Rice ahead of him. That's the kind of cautious football Southgate wants. Mings has proved this season, really surprised me for one, that he is comfortable playing in a high line and a bit of cat and mouse on the ball with opponents. He has improved out of all recognition really under Emery. Much better athlete than Maguire too, Maguire is a liability on the turn.
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2023, 02:48:14 PM
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
That's the point though. Maguire is fine when we're sticking 5 past the likes of Malta or whoever, because the rest of the team is usually good enough to compensate. When it comes to the crunch though, he isn't fine, as he's demonstrated on a few occasions. Also, while all other players might have indifferent seasons, at least they're playing regular football against top flight opposition. Maguire isn't, which also isn't going to help in the long run.
Maguire has played well in the big tournaments though to be fair to Southgate. He's fine when he's sat on his 18 yard box with the likes of Rice ahead of him. That's the kind of cautious football Southgate wants. Mings has proved this season, really surprised me for one, that he is comfortable playing in a high line and a bit of cat and mouse on the ball with opponents. He has improved out of all recognition really under Emery. Much better athlete than Maguire too, Maguire is a liability on the turn.
He's not only a liability on the turn, he gets himself in positions to get turned time and time again
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 02:57:07 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2023, 02:58:12 PM
I'm not sure I agree with this. Mings has been an excellent player for most of his time with us. Yes he's a little more consistent with fewer errors, but to me he looks much the same player he always has. I think he's always been comfortable on the ball, he's just got more players around him now who are also comfortable so there are more options rather than him being our only outlet.
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
That's the point though. Maguire is fine when we're sticking 5 past the likes of Malta or whoever, because the rest of the team is usually good enough to compensate. When it comes to the crunch though, he isn't fine, as he's demonstrated on a few occasions. Also, while all other players might have indifferent seasons, at least they're playing regular football against top flight opposition. Maguire isn't, which also isn't going to help in the long run.
Maguire has played well in the big tournaments though to be fair to Southgate. He's fine when he's sat on his 18 yard box with the likes of Rice ahead of him. That's the kind of cautious football Southgate wants. Mings has proved this season, really surprised me for one, that he is comfortable playing in a high line and a bit of cat and mouse on the ball with opponents. He has improved out of all recognition really under Emery. Much better athlete than Maguire too, Maguire is a liability on the turn.
Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
I'm not sure I agree with this. Mings has been an excellent player for most of his time with us. Yes he's a little more consistent with fewer errors, but to me he looks much the same player he always has. I think he's always been comfortable on the ball, he's just got more players around him now who are also comfortable so there are more options rather than him being our only outlet.
Don't agree at all Chris, I think he's improved enormously under Emery. He's always been a good defender, but was prone to the odd rick and his distribution mostly consisted of long punts out to nobody usually. Now he's defending better than he ever has, has cut out the mistakes, and is comfortable carrying and passing the ball out of defence. The rest of the team has hardly changed in terms of personnel, it's still Luiz and McGinn in front of him.
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 03:13:08 PM
I'm not sure I agree with this. Mings has been an excellent player for most of his time with us. Yes he's a little more consistent with fewer errors, but to me he looks much the same player he always has. I think he's always been comfortable on the ball, he's just got more players around him now who are also comfortable so there are more options rather than him being our only outlet.
The next ones of the conveyor belt (Tomori? Guehi?) have had pretty ropey seasons themselves. I wouldn't pick Maguire myself, but it's hardly crazy that Southgate continues to do so, given he's been completely fine for England whenever he's played regardless of his club form.
That's the point though. Maguire is fine when we're sticking 5 past the likes of Malta or whoever, because the rest of the team is usually good enough to compensate. When it comes to the crunch though, he isn't fine, as he's demonstrated on a few occasions. Also, while all other players might have indifferent seasons, at least they're playing regular football against top flight opposition. Maguire isn't, which also isn't going to help in the long run.
Maguire has played well in the big tournaments though to be fair to Southgate. He's fine when he's sat on his 18 yard box with the likes of Rice ahead of him. That's the kind of cautious football Southgate wants. Mings has proved this season, really surprised me for one, that he is comfortable playing in a high line and a bit of cat and mouse on the ball with opponents. He has improved out of all recognition really under Emery. Much better athlete than Maguire too, Maguire is a liability on the turn.
I mostly agree, I'd also that the biggest boost Emery has given him is that our play is so much more structured (in and out of possession) which means he doesn't find himself in situations where he makes mistakes as often. In the past he was the player that bailed us out when we made mistakes which meant his own were much more obvious because he couldn't clean them up. On top of that I think he's just enjoying his football more than he was for a few years and it's showing in his game.
Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 03:29:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 03:45:58 PM
You don't see him sliding in for last gasp desperate challenges nearly as much any more, either.
Yep, that's another example of where the more structured setup has really helped him.
I guess my point is that I don't think this is down to a spell of improved form, I think it's much more sustainable than that.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 04:05:04 PM
He has always had the physical requirements to be a very good defender and now you are seeing a man that looks comfortable with himself on the pitch.
His positioning , his work with the ball his reactions to make sure he is in a position to deal with danger.
Its brilliant.
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 04:47:50 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 04:52:30 PM
I think the thing that's helping him the most is that Emery has told him to focus on his own game, rather than thinking he has to cover for everyone else.Mings already stayed in a hotel on the night preceding home games before Emery made it mandatory for the entire squad.
Dedicated.
Post by: Bad English on May 25, 2023, 07:54:57 PM
Post by: boozey182 on May 26, 2023, 07:36:04 AM
If you were going to design a centre half in a lab, the result would be pretty similar to Tyrone. Tall, quick, strong, devilishly handsome... Now Emery and his coaching staff are putting together the other parts, and he's turning into a world class player - and I don't use that term lightly.
The funny thing is, a lot of people outside Villa fans don't see it. We had a Liverpool fan stay with us last weekend, and it was all very nice and amicable throughout the match. The only time when we started to get a little tetchy with each other was when she started talking about Tyrone - how she couldn't understand why Emery played him as he's no good on the ball and a defensive liability. She even called him a very offensive word ending in 'gger'*, which is what really wound me up. I guess a lot of people made their mind up about him a long time ago. Not that it really matters, as long as we realise how great he is.
*She called him a 'clogger', just for clarity.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 26, 2023, 09:27:33 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 09:49:08 AM
Post by: boozey182 on May 26, 2023, 09:51:24 AM
Whilst you made a little joke about what she called him, could her opinion of him also be swayed because of his outspoken views? The public associated figures used to state to players like Mings and Rashford "you should concentrate on your own game to become a better footballer and leave politics out of it" which seemed to associate them to not be that good in other fans minds.
It's an interesting question. In the case of there being a direct relationship between her opinion of him and his more political views I would say no - absolutely not as she is a very intelligent person that has political views that would be aligned with Tyrone's. She's a lovely person that is very knowledgeable about football, and watches far more than I do. However, I think there is something to be said for how Tyrone is perceived by the wider public and in the media which I think that is certainly informed by his outspoken views and comments.
And I think that has a trickle down effect - so even people (specifically non-Villa fans) that might like Tyrone as a person have a slightly distorted view of him as a result of how he is seen by people that maybe don't appreciate his views outside of the game.
There is the other matter that when Tyrone has made mistakes, they have tended to be quite big ones. I'm thinking of the header against Chelsea earlier in the season. If you compare him to Konsa, for example. I don't think there would be many Villa fans that rate Konsa more than Mings, but to people that don't watch Villa every week, or have just watched highlights of games for the last few years, you might think that Konsa makes fewer big errors and therefore is the better player? Plus, as Drummond says, he has had to play it long more often until recently as we haven't been good enough on the ball throughout the team.
Defenders are very difficult players to judge if you don't watch them regularly.
Hope I didn't offend anyone with the joke - it was meant to reflect my over-sensitive protection of Tyrone's performances.
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2023, 10:38:58 AM
Whilst you made a little joke about what she called him, could her opinion of him also be swayed because of his outspoken views? The public associated figures used to state to players like Mings and Rashford "you should concentrate on your own game to become a better footballer and leave politics out of it" which seemed to associate them to not be that good in other fans minds.
It's an interesting question. In the case of there being a direct relationship between her opinion of him and his more political views I would say no - absolutely not as she is a very intelligent person that has political views that would be aligned with Tyrone's. She's a lovely person that is very knowledgeable about football, and watches far more than I do. However, I think there is something to be said for how Tyrone is perceived by the wider public and in the media which I think that is certainly informed by his outspoken views and comments.
And I think that has a trickle down effect - so even people (specifically non-Villa fans) that might like Tyrone as a person have a slightly distorted view of him as a result of how he is seen by people that maybe don't appreciate his views outside of the game.
He's also had a few very well publicised "moments" on the pitch which could be seen as unsavoury.
There was the time at Bournemouth when he was accused of deliberately stamping on Ibrahimovic, and again with Nelson Oliveira for us when we played Reading.
Stuff like that goes to building a reputation when you're not watching a player every week.
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
Whilst you made a little joke about what she called him, could her opinion of him also be swayed because of his outspoken views? The public associated figures used to state to players like Mings and Rashford "you should concentrate on your own game to become a better footballer and leave politics out of it" which seemed to associate them to not be that good in other fans minds.
It's an interesting question. In the case of there being a direct relationship between her opinion of him and his more political views I would say no - absolutely not as she is a very intelligent person that has political views that would be aligned with Tyrone's. She's a lovely person that is very knowledgeable about football, and watches far more than I do. However, I think there is something to be said for how Tyrone is perceived by the wider public and in the media which I think that is certainly informed by his outspoken views and comments.
And I think that has a trickle down effect - so even people (specifically non-Villa fans) that might like Tyrone as a person have a slightly distorted view of him as a result of how he is seen by people that maybe don't appreciate his views outside of the game.
He's also had a few very well publicised "moments" on the pitch which could be seen as unsavoury.
There was the time at Bournemouth when he was accused of deliberately stamping on Ibrahimovic, and again with Nelson Oliveira for us when we played Reading.
Stuff like that goes to building a reputation when you're not watching a player every week.
That was pretty much all I'd seen of him before we signed him, and consequently I thought he was just a thug.
Didn't Ibrahimovich knock him unconscious with an elbow later that game?
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2023, 10:57:28 AM
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 11:07:11 AM
Ibrahimovic is a wanker so it was fully justified from Ty.
I agree, but he's probably the last player I'd be stepping on. Nasty piece of work.
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2023, 11:12:46 AM
Ibrahimovic is a wanker so it was fully justified from Ty.
I agree, but he's probably the last player I'd be stepping on. Nasty piece of work.
Me too, but I get feeling Mings has no truck with such arseholes and actively goes out of his way to upset them, another thing that's wonderful about him.
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 11:22:43 AM
Ibrahimovic is a wanker so it was fully justified from Ty.
I agree, but he's probably the last player I'd be stepping on. Nasty piece of work.
Me too, but I get feeling Mings has no truck with such arseholes and actively goes out of his way to upset them, another thing that's wonderful about him.
As long as he looks after himself. We don't want some horse-faced thug like Ibrahimovich mangling Tyrone's face and him turning out looking like Mikael Silvestre.
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 11:29:12 AM
In my view he’s the best left sided English central defender in the Premier League. He’s massively improved his consistency this season and our more structured play from the back has shown just how good a footballer he is. He’s not at Van Dijk or Ruben Dias levels yet but he’s heading in that direction.
That's a small group.
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 11:34:57 AM
In my view he’s the best left sided English central defender in the Premier League. He’s massively improved his consistency this season and our more structured play from the back has shown just how good a footballer he is. He’s not at Van Dijk or Ruben Dias levels yet but he’s heading in that direction.
That's a small group.
It may well be and all a bit tallest dwarf etc but it shouldnt detract from the player he's becoming.
Post by: dave shelley on May 26, 2023, 12:42:34 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 26, 2023, 12:55:20 PM
He would have been sent off for it these days, no question.
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Ibrahimovich was on the ground, our Tyrone goes to jump over him but comes up conveniently short and Ibrahimovich gets the two rear studs/blades on the side of his head.
Later on in the game, both players jump up for a cross and Ibrahimovich smashes Tyrone in the jaw with his elbow.
Edit: might want to mute - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iMv4BLe-U&t=1s&pp=ygURbWluZ3MgaWJyYWhpbW92aWM%3D
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2023, 05:22:59 PM
I have very little in the way of context, but I saw it on one of those nonsense 'revenge moments in football' Youtube videos (lots of which involved Ibrahimovich).
Ibrahimovich was on the ground, our Tyrone goes to jump over him but comes up conveniently short and Ibrahimovich gets the two rear studs/blades on the side of his head.
Later on in the game, both players jump up for a cross and Ibrahimovich smashes Tyrone in the jaw with his elbow.
Edit: might want to mute - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iMv4BLe-U&t=1s&pp=ygURbWluZ3MgaWJyYWhpbW92aWM%3D
Glad I didn’t mute, love DMX.
RIP.
Post by: Rory on May 26, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
I have very little in the way of context, but I saw it on one of those nonsense 'revenge moments in football' Youtube videos (lots of which involved Ibrahimovich).
Ibrahimovich was on the ground, our Tyrone goes to jump over him but comes up conveniently short and Ibrahimovich gets the two rear studs/blades on the side of his head.
Later on in the game, both players jump up for a cross and Ibrahimovich smashes Tyrone in the jaw with his elbow.
Edit: might want to mute - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iMv4BLe-U&t=1s&pp=ygURbWluZ3MgaWJyYWhpbW92aWM%3D
Glad I didn’t mute, love DMX.
RIP.
I was thinking for those who may have inadvertently opened in the middle of a work meeting or something 🙂
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2023, 01:20:36 AM
I knew he was talking about our inspirational leader from the Championship to Europe. I told him my position is that Tyrone is one of the greatest men to wear our colours and can pretty much do whatever he wants from here and I'll still love him. An absolute legend. That shut him up.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 08:32:55 AM
Post by: Paul.S on May 29, 2023, 09:46:56 AM
An old boy Forest fan I know, who is always complaining that footballers today are too soft and it’s no longer a physical “men’s” game, thinks Mings is an absolute thug. ;D
I heard he based himself on that silky defender Kenny Burns.
Post by: danno on May 29, 2023, 11:25:52 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 31, 2023, 01:37:31 AM
I'm sure Gareth will explain all.
Post by: Chap on May 31, 2023, 06:49:18 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 01, 2023, 02:01:32 AM
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 09:37:15 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2023, 09:40:29 AM
I don't think Mings has done himself any favours there. Southgate always comes across as incredibly thin-skinned and petty.
Nah, he'd need to tread carefully, the last manager to have beef with Mings was down the Job Centre not long after.
We can but hope.
Post by: Drummond on June 01, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
As we walked through the park a guy started chatting and asked if we wee happy.. Obviously got a big yes. Anyway, he was really pissed off. He was a steward and had been stressed as it had been busy... He explained that he was fucked off as one of the players hadn't followed instructions and had engaged with the crowd and invited people on to the pitch..... You can imagine who he was talking about..
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 09:49:01 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2023, 10:06:49 AM
Anyway, he was really pissed off. He was a steward and had been stressed as it had been busy... He explained that he was fucked off as one of the players hadn't followed instructions and had engaged with the crowd and invited people on to the pitch..... You can imagine who he was talking about..
Steward Downing?
Post by: Towser on June 01, 2023, 10:15:25 AM
And thats why Barry didnt take the penaltyAnyway, he was really pissed off. He was a steward and had been stressed as it had been busy... He explained that he was fucked off as one of the players hadn't followed instructions and had engaged with the crowd and invited people on to the pitch..... You can imagine who he was talking about..
Steward Downing?
Post by: brontebilly on June 01, 2023, 10:43:47 AM
I don't think Mings has done himself any favours there. Southgate always comes across as incredibly thin-skinned and petty.
Yeah, seemed a fairly pointed dig at Southgate. I guess getting called up for post season games v Malta and North Macedonia is a bit of a pain really. England's youth teams would beat them. Better to be in the squad than out.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2023, 10:44:55 AM
hilariousAnd thats why Barry didnt take the penaltyAnyway, he was really pissed off. He was a steward and had been stressed as it had been busy... He explained that he was fucked off as one of the players hadn't followed instructions and had engaged with the crowd and invited people on to the pitch..... You can imagine who he was talking about..
Steward Downing?
Post by: Bobby Boy on June 01, 2023, 10:45:40 AM
I don't think Mings has done himself any favours there. Southgate always comes across as incredibly thin-skinned and petty.
Yeah, seemed a fairly pointed dig at Southgate. I guess getting called up for post season games v Malta and North Macedonia is a bit of a pain really. England's youth teams would beat them. Better to be in the squad than out.
Maybe he's got his eye on a three week holiday in the Maldives instead. Couldn't say I'd blame him!
Post by: danno on June 01, 2023, 10:51:38 AM
Post by: Concrete Tom on June 12, 2023, 02:21:45 PM
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Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 06:23:03 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/13/tyrone-mings-england-aston-villa-euro-2024-qualifiers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/13/tyrone-mings-england-aston-villa-euro-2024-qualifiers)
On a certain idiot’s drinking -
“I’ve never put myself in the position of where I’ve actually flown out with him but I’ve seen him abroad and many, many times in this country. It’s impressive – if that’s what you’re into.”
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2023, 07:45:39 AM
“Even sitting there at Bournemouth thinking I’d fallen a long way, never did I think there was no way back,” he said. “I learn way more in times of uncertainty or disappointment compared to when it is going well and there isn’t much to think about because things are easy.
“There’s always a plateau in people’s careers where things are coasting. I wasn’t taking it for granted, but you just sometimes need a kick up the backside, don’t you? If I look back now and think, ‘Was I really pushing myself everyday to the level where I am right now?’ Honestly, probably not.”
Emery replacing Gerrard has been key for Villa and Mings. “I go back to the first conversation we had and he [Emery] said every time he watched me, I ended up in centre midfield, left wing, right back or covering the other centre back, left back, and all of that can happen within 60 seconds.
“He wanted me to play in my position, simplify what I was doing and learn his methods. I’m expending less energy just being a left-sided centre back. He basically taught me that I know nothing about the position that I play. He’s opened my eyes
Post by: nodge on June 14, 2023, 07:52:31 AM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 14, 2023, 08:01:45 AM
Probably need to change his song now then.
Like it 😆
Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 08:55:54 AM
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 09:46:16 AM
Probably need to change his song now then.
Like it 😆
He's at left-sided centre back, he's at left-sided centre back, he's at fucking left-sided centre back, Tyrone Mings, Tyrone Mings. Catchy, I'm sure you'll agree.
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 09:50:29 AM
Post by: Smithy on June 14, 2023, 10:02:36 AM
Post by: 57 Villain on June 14, 2023, 06:48:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2023, 08:13:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2023, 06:44:54 PM
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2023, 07:00:52 PM
Didn't even know the game was tonight.
It's exciting though, can Gareth's boys maintain their perfect start with a win against the mighty Malta?
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 16, 2023, 07:05:43 PM
Harry Maguire starts as usual vs Malta. So no point getting fucked off about that as Southgate was never going to drop him. But how is the Palace CB Guehi in ahead of Mings? Mings plays on the left, has been outstanding most of the season and deserves to get back in.
Mouthgate can only possibly do this on purpose as there is no logical reason to overlook the form Mings has been in.
Total cock end. Mcguire must be actually embarrassed
Post by: andyh on June 16, 2023, 07:10:16 PM
Southgate is a blind as fuck, ******
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2023, 07:12:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2023, 07:19:29 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on June 16, 2023, 07:24:20 PM
Post by: dave shelley on June 16, 2023, 07:38:41 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2023, 08:19:30 PM
Post by: Matt C on June 17, 2023, 01:44:11 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 17, 2023, 01:49:05 AM
The point of games like Malta , is take a look at others ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 17, 2023, 07:43:23 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 17, 2023, 10:18:52 AM
Imagine being Tyrone Mings, one week you’re being coached by Unai Emery and the next week it’s Gareth Southgate.Haha! You should tweet that to Mings, see if you get a barely-cryptic emoji response.
Post by: danno on June 17, 2023, 11:04:21 AM
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2023, 12:07:16 PM
Bizarre selections again. Are Maguire & Henderson really essential for a game with Malta?Yes, he's trying to get them back into form. It's his duty as national manager to use England games for underperforming club players to regain their confidence.
Post by: Smirker on June 17, 2023, 12:29:33 PM
His own club were picking their short, fat left back over him at centre half
Shaw is 6ft1.
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:24:40 PM
Bizarre selections again. Are Maguire & Henderson really essential for a game with Malta?
Is the fraud in charge so "conservative" with his style of play that he has to place a fucking defender in the number 10 role?
Alexander-Arnold is best suited as a RWB.
His stats are incredible there.
The move to push him to a more offensive central role, for club & country, has not improved his goal contribution numbers.
It was a strange experiment, but it has failed.
Play him at RWB & if you are not satisfied with the defensive side of his game, drop him for another RWB.
Thats what happened with Grealish when he was at Villa.
He wasn't picked because Southgate is a bit of a fraud & managerial frauds always wants every player on the field to be defensive minded first & foremost.
When Grealish wasn't, he dropped him.
The same should apply to the likes of Alexander-Arnold if he isn't doing his job properly.
Not promote him to a more advanced role.
We should have picked & played the likes of Eze in the number 10 role against Malta in an experimental young team, because if one believes the 1001 contradictory excuses Southgate uses to pick his favourites, he did point out that some of the youngsters aren't quite ready, so the quality of Malta should be the perfect place to test a few out & get them ready if they are to be called on for any reason when we face better quality opposition.
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 17, 2023, 06:45:06 PM
Imagine being Tyrone Mings, one week you’re being coached by Unai Emery and the next week it’s Gareth Southgate.Haha! You should tweet that to Mings, see if you get a barely-cryptic emoji response.
Some guy called Risso beat me to it, but I snuck one in on the Official England team post.
Post by: Bad English on June 17, 2023, 07:02:47 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2023, 03:54:42 PM
His own club were picking their short, fat left back over him at centre half
Shaw is 6ft1.
Is he bollocks
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2023, 03:58:18 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/j8mzX4K/download-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j8mzX4K)
Kane is 6ft 2in
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 18, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
Edit: I'm going with he's a small tubby funster, about 5ft 1"
Post by: Smirker on June 18, 2023, 04:07:39 PM
He's over 6ft.
Big Luke Shaw 8)
Post by: algy on June 18, 2023, 04:08:08 PM
Just having a Google and a lot of places have him at 1.85m, the odd one has him at 1.78m. There is some discussion on a reddit thread where no one can agree. Someone said that they have stood by him and he was smaller but they are only 6ft. Weird in this day and age that there isn't a definitive answer.I think in the absence of anything else we have to presume that he calls Alan Wright "beanpole" and he's actually 4'8, the same size as his nan.
Edit: I'm going with he's a small tubby funster, about 5ft 1"
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 18, 2023, 04:37:29 PM
It's like Shay Given, supposedly 6ft 1. I stood in a lift with him in the Mailbox and he was shorter than me, and I'm just short of 6ft
I've seen Bono twice at Dublin Airport and he's absolutely tiny, even Luke Shaw is taller than him.
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2023, 04:39:21 PM
Numerous sites have him as 6'1".
He's over 6ft.
Big Luke Shaw 8)
I reckon he's about 1.3 Alan Wrights.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 18, 2023, 04:50:52 PM
Just having a Google and a lot of places have him at 1.85m, the odd one has him at 1.78m. There is some discussion on a reddit thread where no one can agree. Someone said that they have stood by him and he was smaller but they are only 6ft. Weird in this day and age that there isn't a definitive answer.
Edit: I'm going with he's a small tubby funster, about 5ft 1"
Is that known as "A Mazrim"?
Post by: Bad English on June 18, 2023, 05:37:46 PM
Post by: JD on June 20, 2023, 08:46:00 AM
Numerous sites have him as 6'1".
He's over 6ft.
Big Luke Shaw 8)
I thought we were discussing height, not width.
Post by: Smithy on June 21, 2023, 03:50:00 PM
I doubt Shaw is more than about 5' 10". Look at him next to Lisandro Martinez, who is famous for being a 5' 9" centre half. There's not much in it.
Anyway, Ty is f***ing massive.
Post by: UK Redsox on June 21, 2023, 04:40:24 PM
Part of the reason being that they wanted to ogle professional footballers in real life.
They couldn't get over how small footballers are in general.
Post by: Somniloquism on June 21, 2023, 08:34:26 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2023, 08:42:23 PM
Footballers do often seem quite small when you meet them in real life. I met Gazza in 2003 in a hotel (he was on his way to China for a last hurrah as a professional, so nowhere near his peak), and he was shorter than me. I have the photo somewhere showing as much. I'm 5' 9".
I doubt Shaw is more than about 5' 10". Look at him next to Lisandro Martinez, who is famous for being a 5' 9" centre half. There's not much in it.
Anyway, Ty is f***ing massive.
Shaw looks short because he's about 12 feet wide.
He looks like a lorry driver. On a youtube clip made by someone who doesn't understand the concept of aspect ratio.
Post by: FatSam on June 21, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dbwktVS/corbett-litter.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LQX9rcM)I used to love Morecambe and Wise!
Post by: trinityoap on June 21, 2023, 09:07:03 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2023, 10:00:37 PM
Footballers do often seem quite small when you meet them in real life. I met Gazza in 2003 in a hotel (he was on his way to China for a last hurrah as a professional, so nowhere near his peak), and he was shorter than me. I have the photo somewhere showing as much. I'm 5' 9".
I doubt Shaw is more than about 5' 10". Look at him next to Lisandro Martinez, who is famous for being a 5' 9" centre half. There's not much in it.
Anyway, Ty is f***ing massive.
Shaw looks short because he's about 12 feet wide.
He looks like a lorry driver. On a youtube clip made by someone who doesn't understand the concept of aspect ratio.
I think you might be right there, his width throws you off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2023, 11:01:13 PM
Shaw looks short because he's about 12 feet wide.
He looks like a lorry driver. On a youtube clip made by someone who doesn't understand the concept of aspect ratio.
I think you might be right there, his width throws you off.
Did you find his girth a little disconcerting?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2023, 11:12:58 PM
Shaw looks short because he's about 12 feet wide.
He looks like a lorry driver. On a youtube clip made by someone who doesn't understand the concept of aspect ratio.
I think you might be right there, his width throws you off.
Did you find his girth a little disconcerting?
I'm not really in a position to be talking about chodes.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 25, 2023, 09:36:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 09:53:54 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCSport?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Knowing our luck, he'll pick up a back injury and be out for the season.
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 09:55:19 PM
Post by: dave shelley on June 25, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 25, 2023, 10:12:31 PM
I love that man
I love that bum bag he's wearing, also!
Are they still called bum bags??
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 10:19:36 PM
I love that man
I love that bum bag he's wearing, also!
Are they still called bum bags??
Yeah, said the same to my missus!
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2023, 10:20:16 PM
I love that man
I love that bum bag he's wearing, also!
Are they still called bum bags??
Fanny pack out here
Post by: Axl Rose on June 25, 2023, 11:06:14 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2023, 12:16:31 AM
The lass on his shoulders must have a great view, he's six-foot five isn't he?
Is he taller than Luke Shaw?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2023, 10:51:43 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/evUaIt8WYbU?feature=share
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2023, 11:00:18 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2023, 11:02:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FziabmbXgAApmaK?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzjnGE1X0AIIAga?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2023, 11:07:19 PM
He gets so much bad press and we can suspect why. But this man is class. I could watch this over and over again and confess to having done so.
https://youtube.com/shorts/evUaIt8WYbU?feature=share
How lovely.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 26, 2023, 11:13:11 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 26, 2023, 11:27:38 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2023, 11:31:24 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2023, 10:12:11 AM
Class.He gets so much bad press and we can suspect why. But this man is class. I could watch this over and over again and confess to having done so.
https://youtube.com/shorts/evUaIt8WYbU?feature=share
How lovely.
Post by: Hillbilly on June 27, 2023, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 27, 2023, 01:14:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 08:55:18 PM
Not everyone here will appreciate his hanging out with royalty and grand gestures.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2023, 08:45:23 AM
Good man, Tyrone meets up with Prince William to promote HomewardsUK. https://twitter.com/TyroneMings/status/1673776244461109254Well I do, it’s for the greater good.
Not everyone here will appreciate his hanging out with royalty and grand gestures.
Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2023, 09:01:10 AM
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2023, 09:03:42 AM
Good man, Tyrone meets up with Prince William to promote HomewardsUK. https://twitter.com/TyroneMings/status/1673776244461109254
Not everyone here will appreciate his hanging out with royalty and grand gestures.
I expect that the number of people on here who are unhappy with him helping out a homelessness charity is smaller than you for some reason, think it might be.
I expect it's probably a number smaller than one.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2023, 09:33:59 AM
It’s probably 1.Good man, Tyrone meets up with Prince William to promote HomewardsUK. https://twitter.com/TyroneMings/status/1673776244461109254
Not everyone here will appreciate his hanging out with royalty and grand gestures.
I expect that the number of people on here who are unhappy with him helping out a homelessness charity is smaller than you for some reason, think it might be.
I expect it's probably a number smaller than one.
Post by: simon ward 50 on June 28, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
Good man, Tyrone meets up with Prince William to promote HomewardsUK. https://twitter.com/TyroneMings/status/1673776244461109254
Not everyone here will appreciate his hanging out with royalty and grand gestures.
Still a legend though?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 28, 2023, 12:12:35 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 12:30:23 PM
Compare and contrast to the gurning pisshead up at Oil City that we used to tolerate.That's probably unfair. Yes Tyrone handles himself brilliantly, but not many players are as articulate as he is. But for the most part, Jack handled himself absolutely fine with us (Covid crash being the only serious exception - I'm not hammering him for the holiday antics when he was a kid) and I'm sure he was heavily involved in charity work too.
Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 12:46:10 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 01:02:29 PM
I get the strong feeling that Tyrone does good things because he's a good man. I get an equally strong feeling that Joe does a lot of them for marketing reasons.Possibly true. Certainly, in respect of Ty, he's a fantastic bloke. But as for Jack, he always seemed a personable guy and I'd guess not that much different from the vast majority of footballers. He generally came across well in interviews and any charity videos. I've no reason to think he's not a very decent bloke underneath.
Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2023, 01:45:35 PM
I get the strong feeling that Tyrone does good things because he's a good man. I get an equally strong feeling that Joe does a lot of them for marketing reasons.
That's not fair, I know with absolute certainty that he did loads to help out with Acorns that was outside any contracts/agreements in place. The guy is an idiot and has run with the 'party boy' image to a ridiculous degree but lets not go for a full character assassination because he left us.
Post by: mike on June 28, 2023, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 28, 2023, 03:17:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 05:49:14 PM
"Tyrone is great" - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
"Ramsey is a great home grown lad" - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
McGinn has turned in to a good captain - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2023, 06:10:15 PM
I just don't see the need to bring him up at every opportunity.
"Tyrone is great" - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
"Ramsey is a great home grown lad" - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
McGinn has turned in to a good captain - "wasn't Jack a massive ******, never did anything for us."
Agree. It's all a bit silly.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 12, 2023, 06:30:36 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 06:33:14 PM
FUCK
Post by: Villan82 on August 12, 2023, 06:35:27 PM
We are the unluckiest club. I really hope I am wrong but that looked so bad.
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:36:55 PM
Post by: manic-road on August 12, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2023, 06:38:29 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2023, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2023, 06:42:13 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 12, 2023, 06:43:29 PM
Is Unai ever going to get a depth of squad with 2 decent players for most positions ?
Post by: Yeltzer on August 12, 2023, 06:44:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Lets wait and see on the Mings injury, it looked a bad one but could just be a bit of a hyper-extension, we'll know soon enough I'm sure.
Just said on the radio that he's still being treated at the stadium rather than taken to hospital. Pat Nevin seemed to think that was a positive.
Post by: Dazvillain on August 12, 2023, 06:47:10 PM
Don’t they normally have to wait for some swelling to,go down before scans ?Lets wait and see on the Mings injury, it looked a bad one but could just be a bit of a hyper-extension, we'll know soon enough I'm sure.
Just said on the radio that he's still being treated at the stadium rather than taken to hospital. Pat Nevin seemed to think that was a positive.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 06:50:33 PM
Lets wait and see on the Mings injury, it looked a bad one but could just be a bit of a hyper-extension, we'll know soon enough I'm sure.
Just said on the radio that he's still being treated at the stadium rather than taken to hospital. Pat Nevin seemed to think that was a positive.
Don’t they normally have to wait for some swelling to,go down before scans ?
Just relaying what I heard, I'm an accountant not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 06:53:43 PM
Post by: wince on August 12, 2023, 07:08:06 PM
You are an accountant? Never knew thatLets wait and see on the Mings injury, it looked a bad one but could just be a bit of a hyper-extension, we'll know soon enough I'm sure.
Just said on the radio that he's still being treated at the stadium rather than taken to hospital. Pat Nevin seemed to think that was a positive.
Don’t they normally have to wait for some swelling to,go down before scans ?
Just relaying what I heard, I'm an accountant not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 07:11:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 07:19:26 PM
Just relaying what I heard, I'm an accountant not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
You are an accountant? Never knew that
Even worse, a Chartered Accountant who used to be an auditor. :)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
Post by: Smirker on August 12, 2023, 07:40:25 PM
At 30, if this is as bad as it looks, he may never recover fully.
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2023, 07:40:30 PM
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/tyrone-mings-stretchered-off-knee-injury-aston-villa-newcastle/blt653b032d28a0440b
Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 07:43:01 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 12, 2023, 07:47:25 PM
What I assume is a consultant has a still and says it looks like a 'prototypical ACL'.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/tyrone-mings-stretchered-off-knee-injury-aston-villa-newcastle/blt653b032d28a0440b
Looking at his Linked in, I dont think he's even a Doctor. Possible a doctor of Physical Therapy , whatever that is
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 12, 2023, 07:48:52 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 12, 2023, 08:30:39 PM
What I assume is a consultant has a still and says it looks like a 'prototypical ACL'.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/tyrone-mings-stretchered-off-knee-injury-aston-villa-newcastle/blt653b032d28a0440b
Someone on that twitter account also mentioned Emery had similar at Arsenal where both Holding and Bellerin got ACL's within a couple of weeks of each other.
Post by: Dazvillain on August 12, 2023, 08:36:00 PM
I was just asking a question…. That you chose not to answer or give an opinion onLets wait and see on the Mings injury, it looked a bad one but could just be a bit of a hyper-extension, we'll know soon enough I'm sure.
Just said on the radio that he's still being treated at the stadium rather than taken to hospital. Pat Nevin seemed to think that was a positive.
Don’t they normally have to wait for some swelling to,go down before scans ?
Just relaying what I heard, I'm an accountant not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Post by: Dazvillain on August 12, 2023, 08:37:21 PM
Given your lack of answers or opinion you could have easily become an MPJust relaying what I heard, I'm an accountant not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
You are an accountant? Never knew that
Even worse, a Chartered Accountant who used to be an auditor. :)
Post by: manic-road on August 12, 2023, 08:45:19 PM
I really hope it's not as bad as feared.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 12, 2023, 08:46:53 PM
Worst case, at 30 years old, that decision could have ended his career. It’s both ridiculous from a professional point of view, and tragic for Tyrone 😔
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 12, 2023, 08:48:25 PM
Post by: john2710 on August 12, 2023, 10:48:37 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Ty got injured chasing an offside where the flag raise was delayed.
Worst case, at 30 years old, that decision could have ended his career. It’s both ridiculous from a professional point of view, and tragic for Tyrone 😔
They're happy to let the game run & run, even when there's a clear offside whilst supposedly trying to stop time wasting.
If anyone has the strength to come back it's Tyrone.
Post by: VillaTim on August 12, 2023, 10:52:45 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 12, 2023, 10:57:39 PM
Well - like with Van Dijk, but this won't get the same attention cos he plays for us. But, the current implementation of many of the laws of the game are absolutely ridiculous. Even when we see at the women's world cup how some of it can be implemented better - we know well still get the shite we have been served up from officials in the "Best league in the world"Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Ty got injured chasing an offside where the flag raise was delayed.
Worst case, at 30 years old, that decision could have ended his career. It’s both ridiculous from a professional point of view, and tragic for Tyrone 😔
They're happy to let the game run & run, even when there's a clear offside whilst supposedly trying to stop time wasting.
If anyone has the strength to come back it's Tyrone.
Post by: VillaTim on August 12, 2023, 11:04:21 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Ty got injured chasing an offside where the flag raise was delayed.absolute fucking joke
Worst case, at 30 years old, that decision could have ended his career. It’s both ridiculous from a professional point of view, and tragic for Tyrone 😔
Post by: Paul.S on August 12, 2023, 11:22:23 PM
We have to try and replace him with experience and with a player the others will respect. If it’s a bad season ending injury then another centre half is a must above anything else.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 11:34:14 PM
Warning - this is a bit hard to watch
https://twitter.com/deanahoggat/status/1690469074076114944?s=46
Post by: danno on August 12, 2023, 11:43:28 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 12, 2023, 11:44:43 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 12, 2023, 11:46:01 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 12, 2023, 11:47:44 PM
Imagine holding your phone to record that. Smh.
And then posting it online as well.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 11:52:01 PM
That was fucking horrible to see.
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 11:53:30 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 11:55:17 PM
Our fans would have been exactly the same, inc the background noise to the original clip.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 12, 2023, 11:56:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2023, 12:10:25 AM
That video reminds me of seeing Bouma get his leg snapped right in front of us in that (I think) early UEFA cup qualifier.
That was fucking horrible to see.
Odense. That was awful. I've never known VP to fall silent so quickly.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2023, 12:20:41 AM
They at least reacted well when they realised it was serious.
Our fans would have been exactly the same, inc the background noise to the original clip.
I can remember when Bellamy was running felt pelt at VP, his hamstring went and everyone (including me) let out a huge cheer.
Think Terry got cheered off when he was stretched off one year and then signed for us a few years later.
There will always be idiot people in 40-50k crowds.
We are into the unknown now with probably many months without Mings playing for us. He's missed about 7 games since the start of 2020 so a huge part of us going from 17th to 7th in that timeframe.
He makes errors on occasions but look at what he brings in terms of leadership on the pitch, that can't be easily replaced and I certainly can't see Konsa being that CB now, it's just not in his character.
Hope it's not a season ender but it looks pretty likely. Considering the adversities he's had in his career he's got the resilience to get back from this injury however hard the recovery will be.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 12:22:50 AM
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2023, 12:44:54 AM
Post by: danno on August 13, 2023, 12:46:20 AM
I can only speak for myself and say I just can’t imagine myself taking my phone out to film Anthony or Zaha feigning injury. Or needing to look at Tyrone Mings that amount of time to think “oh hang about he looks F’d”.
It’s right up there with filming a player when he’s walking up to take a corner. Totally alien to me. I just don’t get e.t.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 13, 2023, 12:53:18 AM
I remember the absolute pasting Terry got at VP when he was crocked.
The same match where he conspired to get Benteke sent off and, lets face it, the first match at Villa Park after his racist comments courtcase.
However we also clapped off Lampard for beating the Chelsea all time goal scoring record even though it cost us the win.
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2023, 01:02:21 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 01:09:43 AM
So what injury has Mings got???
We don’t know yet. But ACL tear is very possible. Based on what we saw I’d be surprised if he plays again this season. Maybe if lucky at the very end.
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2023, 01:17:26 AM
Fuck losing him and Buendia is a really bad piss offf for us.So what injury has Mings got???
We don’t know yet. But ACL tear is very possible. Based on what we saw I’d be surprised if he plays again this season. Maybe if lucky at the very end.
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2023, 01:39:57 AM
Its clearly very serious and he'll be out the rest of the season.
Having now had time to calm down and reflect on the game, I feel very sad. Mings is more than a player for us and he'll be sorely missed. People who don't rate him are about to find out how important he was for us.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 13, 2023, 02:27:43 AM
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2023, 03:10:33 AM
Equally, I I was stung by a wasp when I was 9 and cried like a baby; cracked three ribs a few years ago and was in agony, but they healed within six weeks.
Based on my very limited experience, hopefully it's one of those where the pain is much worse than the actual damage.
Get well soon, Ty.
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 13, 2023, 03:56:20 AM
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 13, 2023, 06:49:11 AM
Post by: sid1964 on August 13, 2023, 06:51:24 AM
Hopefully he will be back next season
Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 07:44:16 AM
Will be a massive loss 😞
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2023, 08:04:59 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 13, 2023, 08:12:47 AM
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2023, 09:01:33 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
I've got a real problem knee, having dislocated the joint and ruptured my ACL three times, and I didn't cry with pain, but after years of physio I still can't walk properly. I've broken my hand (for which I'm also still doing physio), my arm and sliced the tip of my right middle finger clean off, right to the bone. I sheared off flesh, fat, nerve, and lost a pint-and-a-half of blood, but I had no idea for a good two or three minutes. That took three months of cutting away scabs and flesh to make sure it healed fully.
Equally, I I was stung by a wasp when I was 9 and cried like a baby; cracked three ribs a few years ago and was in agony, but they healed within six weeks.
Based on my very limited experience, hopefully it's one of those where the pain is much worse than the actual damage.
Get well soon, Ty.
Rory, is your middle name Lucky by any chance? ;)
A speedy recovery Ty. Big boots for Villa to fill. I suspect having suffered serious injury before and knowing what is ahead of him, the way the club are progressing, yesterday's result notwithstanding, and the hopes of actually winning something, his tears were borne out of frustration as much as the pain. I wonder just how much of an effect this is going to have on his team mates? They have lost a big, big leader.
Post by: Clive W on August 13, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
With big Ty out, our one natural leader, I think we may regret letting Ash go.
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2023, 09:59:34 AM
Sob on the Ty.
(╥﹏╥)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 10:28:03 AM
We’ve struggled with leadership issues for a number of seasons.
With big Ty out, our one natural leader, I think we may regret letting Ash go.
Yeah, I think that too.
The other thing about Mings is, as an extension of him being a voice and an organiser, I think we're going to see more evidence going forward that his presence alongside him is what enables Konsa to perform well, and taking that away is going to expose him.
What an absolutely shit week.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 10:56:22 AM
It's a bit ask for Torres to come in and be the big voice organiser. The only time I notice Konsa shouting is after the event.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2023, 11:14:50 AM
We’ve struggled with leadership issues for a number of seasons.
With big Ty out, our one natural leader, I think we may regret letting Ash go.
Yep, I thought it was a wrong move at the time and I’m still to be convinced otherwise as we haven’t bought anyone in. Yesterday losing Mings made it even more of an issue.
Post by: Stu82 on August 13, 2023, 11:25:05 AM
I wondered wether his upset was emotional realisation of the situation as well as the obvious tremendous pain.
Sad to see someone in that distress.
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Imagine holding your phone to record that. Smh.
Listen to the slack jawed yocal twats having a pop at Martinez because he is telling them its serious after they booed Mings.
Yet the media will wank over their fans doing what almost every set of fans do whenever there is a perceived serious injury by clapping him off.
I couldn't wait for the season to start.
I cant fucking wait for it to end now...
Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2023, 12:02:45 PM
It'll be interesting to see what we do now. We still have Torres, Costa, Konsa and Chambers so he may just bring in another right back but that may be a risk considering the amount of games Costa has played recently.
Costa?
Post by: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
It'll be interesting to see what we do now. We still have Torres, Costa, Konsa and Chambers so he may just bring in another right back but that may be a risk considering the amount of games Costa has played recently.
Costa?
Obviously he means Carlos
Post by: CT on August 13, 2023, 01:05:23 PM
Imagine holding your phone to record that. Smh.
Listen to the slack jawed yocal twats having a pop at Martinez because he is telling them its serious after they booed Mings.
Yet the media will wank over their fans doing what almost every set of fans do whenever there is a perceived serious injury by clapping him off.
I couldn't wait for the season to start.
I cant fucking wait for it to end now...
Really good point. Loads of them just to our left were booing until the stretcher came on.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
Imagine holding your phone to record that. Smh.
Listen to the slack jawed yocal twats having a pop at Martinez because he is telling them its serious after they booed Mings.
Yet the media will wank over their fans doing what almost every set of fans do whenever there is a perceived serious injury by clapping him off.
I couldn't wait for the season to start.
I cant fucking wait for it to end now...
Really good point. Loads of them just to our left were booing until the stretcher came on.
I think we are largely all the same really, football supporters, we have twats as well. In fact some mentioned John Terry earlier, I remember him getting Benteke sent iff in the last game of 2014/15, then getting an injury meaning he was carried off, and I admit, i stood up and cheered along with seemingly 30,000 others. I may be a twat I suppose.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 01:13:48 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2023, 01:25:35 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 01:31:07 PM
Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
I remember ages ago playing Newcastle at VP Bellamy was clean through at full speed then pulled up with a hamstring injury to massive cheers from our fans.
Bellamy was the pinnacle of prick.
Post by: darren woolley on August 13, 2023, 02:21:47 PM
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2023, 04:04:10 PM
I have - Alex Cropley's leg-break vs the Bitters.That video reminds me of seeing Bouma get his leg snapped right in front of us in that (I think) early UEFA cup qualifier.Odense. That was awful. I've never known VP to fall silent so quickly.
That was fucking horrible to see.
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2023, 04:08:39 PM
Since he walked through the door, anytime he's been out the team as generally fallen to pieces and despite us being a bit sloppy up to that point yesterday, the same thing happened again immediately afterwards.
Fucking fuckety fuck, get well soon big man.
Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2023, 04:08:54 PM
I see Eder Militao the CB for Real Madrid is out with a torn ACL. So like us they lost a player for the season a couple of days back in Courtois, and now Militao.Yes, I saw that reported in the online Guardian, but nothing on Mings.
Post by: danno on August 13, 2023, 04:23:16 PM
I think last year when he missed a game, they showed a graphic of our results without him and it was something like one win out of twelve.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2023, 04:46:50 PM
I see Eder Militao the CB for Real Madrid is out with a torn ACL. So like us they lost a player for the season a couple of days back in Courtois, and now Militao.Yes, I saw that reported in the online Guardian, but nothing on Mings.
To be fair though I don’t think we’ve confirmed the situation and likely lay off period. I’m still hoping it won’t be as bad as first thought but I know it’s probably wishful thinking.
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2023, 06:38:14 PM
I remember ages ago playing Newcastle at VP Bellamy was clean through at full speed then pulled up with a hamstring injury to massive cheers from our fans.“Senator, we are all part of the same hypocrisy.”
Post by: Smoke on August 13, 2023, 09:39:32 PM
Urgh. Something seriously went ping. Poor Ty.
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2023, 09:50:14 PM
I have - Alex Cropley's leg-break vs the Bitters.That video reminds me of seeing Bouma get his leg snapped right in front of us in that (I think) early UEFA cup qualifier.Odense. That was awful. I've never known VP to fall silent so quickly.
That was fucking horrible to see.
Before my time, that one.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 09:51:45 PM
I see Eder Militao the CB for Real Madrid is out with a torn ACL. So like us they lost a player for the season a couple of days back in Courtois, and now Militao.
With us it's dreadful luck, with them it's karma.
Post by: Gareth on August 13, 2023, 10:16:42 PM
I remember ages ago playing Newcastle at VP Bellamy was clean through at full speed then pulled up with a hamstring injury to massive cheers from our fans.
Was worse than that it was more laughter than cheers.
Bloody funny though
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 10:28:50 PM
I remember watching that in the pub with a mate who was a Wednesday fan - he was disgusted in it, and I was pretty embarrassed - was pretty shit to be honest.I remember ages ago playing Newcastle at VP Bellamy was clean through at full speed then pulled up with a hamstring injury to massive cheers from our fans.
Was worse than that it was more laughter than cheers.
Bloody funny though
Its stuck with me that - anytime i see a quick player running at full pace, Im always worried that hell pull up like that. Though that yesterday early on when Diaby chased after a ball at full pelt
Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 11:13:25 PM
Post by: Scratchins on August 14, 2023, 08:42:31 AM
I remember ages ago playing Newcastle at VP Bellamy was clean through at full speed then pulled up with a hamstring injury to massive cheers from our fans.
Was worse than that it was more laughter than cheers.
Bloody funny though
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Post by: Scratchins on August 14, 2023, 08:45:45 AM
PS sorry for messing up my earlier post
Post by: jwarry on August 14, 2023, 09:33:28 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 09:35:19 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/14/Tyrone-Mings-injury-update/
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2023, 09:36:59 AM
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Aston Villa can confirm that Tyrone Mings has sustained a significant knee injury.
The England international was stretchered off from the field after damaging his knee during the first half of Villa’s match at Newcastle United on Saturday.
The defender has undergone scans and will unfortunately require surgery ahead of a lengthy rehabilitation process.
Post by: colin69 on August 14, 2023, 09:39:29 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 09:46:47 AM
Clearly there will be a need, based on Unai’s rotation and various playing styles in all competitions, so a loan would be a good idea. In addition I’ve read over the weekend that when he is not in the team over last 12 games missed, we’ve only won once and conceded 23 goals !
Many Best wishes Ty for surgery and rehab
Over to transfers thread……
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 09:52:08 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 09:53:17 AM
Post by: Jane on August 14, 2023, 09:54:11 AM
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:56:16 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 10:02:53 AM
Unai’s motivational skills will be massively tested now missing Ty, as the players will know what a man he was on the pitch
Post by: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 10:04:01 AM
OS confirmed it’s ‘a significant knee injury’. Do we have a problem saying ACL or something?!?
It might not be. Or it might be that and something else.
It doesn't really matter, though, it's just grim AF.
Feel so sorry for him, not going to get to play in Europe until we're in the Champions League next season now.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
I can't believe this, Emi and Ty in one week. I'm not sure some fans realise just how important he is to us. I really fear for how we will manage without him, but it is an opportunity for Torres to show us what he can do.
I think you’re doing most fans, at least on here, a disservice. We’re acutely aware of his importance, just got to hope someone steps up.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 14, 2023, 10:11:02 AM
Get well soon, big man!
Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2023, 10:24:30 AM
Didn't this injury came about in a passage of play where an offside flag was being held back until the phase had ended, meaning that it was completely and utterly avoidable?
Yep. People have been saying it will happen and of course when it does, it's to us.
Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2023, 10:25:55 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 14, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
I hope.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2023, 10:44:26 AM
Torres is not going to have an easing in period and will have to be on it asap and Carlos is also going to gave to step.
Next few games now feel massive.
Good luck to the big man.
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:45:35 AM
Didn't this injury came about in a passage of play where an offside flag was being held back until the phase had ended, meaning that it was completely and utterly avoidable?
Had this happened to Virgil Van Dijk, not only would they have had the rules changed by now, Talksport would just be playing sombre music all day for a week.
This.
Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 10:46:30 AM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2023, 11:35:10 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 14, 2023, 11:36:07 AM
I think his song needs a good singing on Sunday.
Agreed. I will be joining in from Tokyo!
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
https://x.com/tyronemings/status/1691034009302708224?s=46
I don’t even know where to start but to say thank you for all of your messages of support Villa fans. From the day I came here on loan I’ve given everything on the pitch, I’ll now give everything off the pitch to come back even better, whilst supporting the team 💜 @AVFCOfficial
To the players, fans & staff connected to @NUFC I also want to say thank you. The applause, the messages & the medical support I received on the day was really appreciated.
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 11:57:39 AM
Message from Tyrone
https://x.com/tyronemings/status/1691034009302708224?s=46
I don’t even know where to start but to say thank you for all of your messages of support Villa fans. From the day I came here on loan I’ve given everything on the pitch, I’ll now give everything off the pitch to come back even better, whilst supporting the team 💜 @AVFCOfficial
To the players, fans & staff connected to @NUFC I also want to say thank you. The applause, the messages & the medical support I received on the day was really appreciated.
Tbf, the Newcastle fans seemed quite affected by it. They knew it was a bad one. The atmosphere completely changed from a raucous nature to it being dead between the injury and half-time. The game just died.
Once their 3rd went in, the heads dropped and we just didn't have any fight in us.
Post by: Olof's Beard on August 14, 2023, 12:24:48 PM
Post by: Stu82 on August 14, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Best wishes Ty.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2023, 02:35:44 PM
OS confirmed it’s ‘a significant knee injury’. Do we have a problem saying ACL or something?!?
My son recently did his ACL but it took a couple of weeks for the swelling to reduce before they could confirm. Maybe it’s similar with Tyrone.
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 02:54:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 02:59:23 PM
Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 03:10:15 PM
OS confirmed it’s ‘a significant knee injury’. Do we have a problem saying ACL or something?!?
My son recently did his ACL but it took a couple of weeks for the swelling to reduce before they could confirm. Maybe it’s similar with Tyrone.
Did he say how bad the pain was?
I knew someone once who did this and they said the first 10 seconds or so it wad the worst pain they'd ever felt, vomit inducing. But after that it wasn't too bad and it was bearable.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2023, 03:17:30 PM
OS confirmed it’s ‘a significant knee injury’. Do we have a problem saying ACL or something?!?
My son recently did his ACL but it took a couple of weeks for the swelling to reduce before they could confirm. Maybe it’s similar with Tyrone.
Did he say how bad the pain was?
I knew someone once who did this and they said the first 10 seconds or so it wad the worst pain they'd ever felt, vomit inducing. But after that it wasn't too bad and it was bearable.
Similar yes, he’s gutted because he’s missed out on 2 cup finals because of it.
Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
From the replay, it looked so innocuous. How did it happen, his knee went a different way to the rest of him after he nudged the Barcode away from the ball?
Mentioned this when the Buendia news broke but this NFL player did his ACL just walking
Can't get that to embed properly https://youtu.be/DBWAouoJaUM
Post by: garyellis on August 14, 2023, 03:21:20 PM
He has always given everything for the club on and off the pitch.
A true leader there is no wonder heads went down on Saturday, all the team will have known the injury was extremely serious.
It's up to us on Sunday to get behind the team just like Tyrone will no doubt be doing.
Get well soon big fella
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 04:23:19 PM
Post by: passport1 on August 14, 2023, 04:29:03 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 04:34:44 PM
Arsenal have lost that Timber kid they just bought with a serious injury now.
If anyone wants a particular player injured this weekend just let me know and I'll stick them in my fantasy squad. Timber, DeBruyne, Mings and Stones all part of my week 1 teams.
Post by: usav on August 14, 2023, 04:38:36 PM
OS confirmed it’s ‘a significant knee injury’. Do we have a problem saying ACL or something?!?
My son recently did his ACL but it took a couple of weeks for the swelling to reduce before they could confirm. Maybe it’s similar with Tyrone.
Did he say how bad the pain was?
I knew someone once who did this and they said the first 10 seconds or so it wad the worst pain they'd ever felt, vomit inducing. But after that it wasn't too bad and it was bearable.
Can confirm.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 05:32:52 PM
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 05:33:34 PM
From the replay, it looked so innocuous. How did it happen, his knee went a different way to the rest of him after he nudged the Barcode away from the ball?
Mentioned this when the Buendia news broke but this NFL player did his ACL just walking
Can't get that to embed properly https://youtu.be/DBWAouoJaUM
That's a strange one. There's usually a change of direction involved, possibly a jarring of the knee or studs getting caught in the ground.
Post by: Anthenagin on August 14, 2023, 05:34:27 PM
Yes we have been unlucky this week but it does happen at other clubs. Ultimately the club will have to plan the season without him and to remain competitive . I am sure there are contingency plans for this sort of thing .
Like many others I’m gutted about Ty’s injury and wish our talisman a speedy recovery.
The poster makes a great point about contingency plans and reminded me about posts here earlier in the year where we were questioning the need for another left-footed CB.
Maybe we need to have a bigger club mentality here? It’s a genuine shame that a fan favourite and crucial team member is out of action and it may also diminish his chance at Euro ‘24 sadly. But Villa have depth ow and I’m sure virtually every team in the world would be envious of a team whose replacement CB was Pau Torres.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 05:35:10 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 05:38:53 PM
Arsenal have lost that Timber kid they just bought with a serious injury now.Probably just dry rot with Timber.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 05:41:47 PM
Maybe we need to have a bigger club mentality here? It’s a genuine shame that a fan favourite and crucial team member is out of action and it may also diminish his chance at Euro ‘24 sadly. But Villa have depth ow and I’m sure virtually every team in the world would be envious of a team whose replacement CB was Pau Torres.Indeed Anthenagin. Of course we also have Carlos back now so superb cover.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 05:43:04 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2023, 05:44:23 PM
Another thing I was thinking, this injury has made Southgate's life easy as he can stick to the useless Maguire.
Maguire could have done his ACL (sorry Paulie) and he'd still pick him.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 05:53:11 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
Post by: Gerrin on August 14, 2023, 06:08:47 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
The frequency of these injuries atm is scary, I heard speculation at the weekend it might be due to the amount of water they chuck on the pitches these days, coupled with the textures of the pitches. Ty's foot did appear to slip for his.
Interesting piece about when they were less common place when Shearer did his 20 years ago. He played on for the rest of the match.
https://team-acl.com/acl-story-alan-shearer/
Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 06:26:29 PM
There's too much football now.
Players don't get a proper rest any more.
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on August 14, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 06:50:00 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
3 male footballers compared to the equivalent of a whole World Cup squad in the women's game.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 07:32:38 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
3 male footballers compared to the equivalent of a whole World Cup squad in the women's game.
Caught part of a news feature on ACLs in the women's games, and apparently there are physiological reasons why there have been so many female footballers suffering them.
Post by: AV82EC on August 14, 2023, 09:01:10 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
3 male footballers compared to the equivalent of a whole World Cup squad in the women's game.
Caught part of a news feature on ACLs in the women's games, and apparently there are physiological reasons why there have been so many female footballers suffering them.
There’s a suspicion that football boots are designed for male physiology and not female so may need to be redesigned. I’d imagine there’s some proper musculoskeletal research that needs to be done.
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 11:31:43 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
You been nicking Daz's library of football memoirs?
Post by: Tuscans on August 14, 2023, 11:46:26 PM
Well I thought it was funny.Arsenal have lost that Timber kid they just bought with a serious injury now.Probably just dry rot with Timber.
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2023, 07:09:28 AM
you're barking, mate.Well I thought it was funny.Arsenal have lost that Timber kid they just bought with a serious injury now.Probably just dry rot with Timber.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 15, 2023, 08:06:31 AM
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2023, 08:12:20 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 15, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
It’s an amazing three ACL’s in a year.
Who is the other one? (Emi / Ty / ?)
In the older days this sort of injury ended your career - thankfully lots of players come back with todays medical support
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 15, 2023, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2023, 01:05:17 PM
Post by: danno on August 15, 2023, 01:46:49 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
I think players are fitter now than ever before, and with that their bodies are more at their limits physically. I’m sure players today run far more than in the 90s.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 15, 2023, 01:55:25 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
The glutton in the Women's game have been blamed by some on the fact they have to wear mens boots rather then specifically designed ones.
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts. I don't remember people stating Gazza had an ACL injury for example.
Post by: danno on August 15, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
The glutton in the Women's game have been blamed by some on the fact they have to wear mens boots rather then specifically designed ones.
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts. I don't remember people stating Gazza had an ACL injury for example.
It was always “done his cruciate” back then. No idea when it became the abbreviated ACL. Probably an Americanism.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 02:00:18 PM
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts.
Back when men were men and football was proper, you'd just run it off.
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 02:07:09 PM
I’m sick of hearing about ACLs now.Funny that a couple of weeks ago people were talking about number of said injuries in the WSL and drawing conclusions that maybe it's a female physiology thing and now in space of a week we have had 3 PL male players go down.
A character even just had one in the novel I was reading this afternoon.
3 male footballers compared to the equivalent of a whole World Cup squad in the women's game.
Caught part of a news feature on ACLs in the women's games, and apparently there are physiological reasons why there have been so many female footballers suffering them.
There’s a suspicion that football boots are designed for male physiology and not female so may need to be redesigned. I’d imagine there’s some proper musculoskeletal research that needs to be done.
There's been a few reasons suggested but they're unlikely to know until it's studied properly. I've seen suggestions like the menstrual cycle weaking joints during the follicular phase, to women not doing the same amount of strength training as men, to them wearing men's football boots and so it goes on. There's not a definitive answer right now.
Post by: usav on August 15, 2023, 02:17:48 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
The glutton in the Women's game have been blamed by some on the fact they have to wear mens boots rather then specifically designed ones.
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts. I don't remember people stating Gazza had an ACL injury for example.
It was always “done his cruciate” back then. No idea when it became the abbreviated ACL. Probably an Americanism.
For a start, there is more than one "cruciate" so let's start with people being lazy or ill-informed rather than blaming any one group.
Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 02:19:31 PM
Post by: charlatan on August 15, 2023, 02:20:11 PM
Could also be something to do with the amount of games they play.
There's too much football now.
Players don't get a proper rest any more.
Really? There is a lot more squad rotation and fewer cup replays (even straight to penalties without extra time in the league cup). Perhaps it is played at greater intensity though?
Post by: villadelph on August 15, 2023, 02:21:15 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
The glutton in the Women's game have been blamed by some on the fact they have to wear mens boots rather then specifically designed ones.
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts. I don't remember people stating Gazza had an ACL injury for example.
It was always “done his cruciate” back then. No idea when it became the abbreviated ACL. Probably an Americanism.
When in doubt, blame America!
(https://www.knee-pain-explained.com/images/knee-ligaments-guide.jpg)
Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 02:42:44 PM
David Beckham was the first time I remember there being any real specification with a player's injury, although I can't now remember which one it was he injured.
Metatarsal.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 15, 2023, 03:13:34 PM
David Beckham was the first time I remember there being any real specification with a player's injury, although I can't now remember which one it was he injured.
Metatarsal instead of just "broke a bone in his foot" or "broken foot".
I beat him to it when I did mine retrieving the ball from behind Kingswinford 6's side wall when it went over during warm it a few months before. Strangely it wasn't the one that went famous.
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 15, 2023, 03:30:38 PM
Could also be something to do with the amount of games they play.
There's too much football now.
Players don't get a proper rest any more.
Really? There is a lot more squad rotation and fewer cup replays (even straight to penalties without extra time in the league cup). Perhaps it is played at greater intensity though?
There are about 20 times more international games now though and obviously many more European games and more training days too
Post by: danno on August 15, 2023, 03:33:51 PM
Did we have this many ACL injuries in the 90's? I only remember a couple.
What's changed? The pitch? The boots? Training?
Gutted for Mings. We're a better team when he's playing
The glutton in the Women's game have been blamed by some on the fact they have to wear mens boots rather then specifically designed ones.
As for ACL for men in the past, I suspect most were just called Knee Injuries rather then specific body parts. I don't remember people stating Gazza had an ACL injury for example.
It was always “done his cruciate” back then. No idea when it became the abbreviated ACL. Probably an Americanism.
When in doubt, blame America!
(https://www.knee-pain-explained.com/images/knee-ligaments-guide.jpg)
Haha I did just mean using the abbreviation, I think their sports reporting has definitely influenced how football is covered here. So instead of in times past “done his cruciate” it’s now which ligament and with quotes from a specialist estimating a time frame.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2023, 03:38:03 PM
Post by: usav on August 15, 2023, 03:43:03 PM
I don't know how that translates to numbers in the men's pro game.
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 03:44:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 15, 2023, 04:01:17 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/35730/12748748/inside-the-wsl-why-are-acl-injuries-so-common-in-womens-football
As there wasn't more women in the sport, studies need to catch up, however theories put forwards are Boots (as I mentioned above) and another is the hormonal changes to the body during the menstrual cycle as Oestrogen can lead to loser joints when it is higher in the body during week 2.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 15, 2023, 04:35:10 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 15, 2023, 04:58:47 PM
The first time I remember a specific cruciate ligament injury being reported was Paul Gascoigne after he fouled Gary Charles in the 1991 Cup Final.
Even then (and even recently when some reports of the 30 year anniversary appeared), it was just reported as Cruciate Ligament damage, no mention on which specific one(s). Of course interest was higher at the time so we got more then severely injured his knee. And just think, if the referee had followed the rules instead of trying to look after the spectacle, he wouldn't have been on the pitch to get injured (he didn't even get a second yellow to make the red so Spurs were allowed to sub him as well).
Post by: Martyn Smith on August 15, 2023, 05:06:19 PM
Arsenal have lost that Timber kid they just bought with a serious injury now.Probably just dry rot with Timber.
I wooden know
Post by: tricky dicky on August 15, 2023, 05:14:05 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 15, 2023, 05:35:26 PM
People keep confusing Carlos’ achilles injury with an ACL. Can’t think of the other myself.
Yes I did. It’s four if you count long term rat injuries.
Post by: Villan82 on August 15, 2023, 05:40:02 PM
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 05:55:43 PM
Heaton, Wesley, Carlos, Buendia and Mings all getting long-term injury in the space of three years is just horrific.
And Jed Steer.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 15, 2023, 05:59:29 PM
Just checked, was out for 5 months in 2019-20.
Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Brilliant, and never mind what people say about the game, the best team won, Mings going off etc etc, doesn't wash with me, good luck for the rest of the season, you fabulous Geordies deserve it.
I had to respond which I don't often do:
You mean that a significant player for Villa suffers a potentially career threatening injury doesn't wash with you. Mings, despite being a great player and leader is a Villa talisman and a decent human being as well. Do you actually know anything about him? You need to change your avatar to one with black and white stripes.
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2023, 06:04:23 PM
A Villa Jackass posted this on Facebook which came up on my feed this morning:
Brilliant, and never mind what people say about the game, the best team won, Mings going off etc etc, doesn't wash with me, good luck for the rest of the season, you fabulous Geordies deserve it.
I had to respond which I don't often do:
You mean that a significant player for Villa suffers a potentially career threatening injury doesn't wash with you. Mings, despite being a great player and leader is a Villa talisman and a decent human being as well. Do you actually know anything about him? You need to change your avatar to one with black and white stripes.
'You fabulous Geordies', haha.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 15, 2023, 06:06:04 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2023, 06:10:53 PM
Which 60s cartoon character is listed on Facebook against that comment? Captain C4veman? Scoo6y Doo?
This is the image and his comment (https://www.facebook.com/groups/844940199360108/posts/1695488644305255/?comment_id=1695530334301086&reply_comment_id=1696050157582437¬if_id=1692091386917167¬if_t=group_comment_mention)
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 15, 2023, 09:16:27 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 15, 2023, 09:48:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 10:00:29 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on August 15, 2023, 10:06:07 PM
Can you imagine posing for photos with a smile after the few days he's just had?
He’s a remarkable man and he’s our leader. Get well soon Tyrone
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 15, 2023, 10:10:23 PM
surprised to see him out and about so soon. I take it thats his Mrs bag he's carrying there
Change is coming, old man
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
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Post by: Matt C on August 16, 2023, 12:38:02 AM
Post by: FatSam on August 16, 2023, 08:02:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3l7t6PW0AAt0gp?format=jpg&name=small)Where is this photo from?
Post by: PeterWithe on August 16, 2023, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2023, 08:39:00 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3l7t6PW0AAt0gp?format=jpg&name=small)
That's Mings having a photo with the famouse Vizzy. Known as the lad who would sign off every tweet with 'V9' ~ 2014 twitter :D
Post by: chrisw1 on August 16, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2023, 10:02:56 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 10:03:32 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2023, 10:11:59 AM
For me, Tyrone goes down as one of the most important players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt since the 1982 team.
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Well said Chris. The minute he walked through the door in January 2019, he’s made a huge difference. I can’t remember being this gutted about a player being out long term.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 16, 2023, 10:25:24 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 16, 2023, 10:55:20 AM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 16, 2023, 11:17:19 AM
For me, Tyrone goes down as one of the most important players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt since the 1982 team.
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Summed up perfectly.
Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 11:36:10 AM
You'd expect/hope that he will be spending plenty of time in the months that he's out, closely involved with the first team and in training and other sessions etc.
What he can do around his time doing rehab work, yes.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2023, 12:58:16 PM
No, this is the other knee.
In assume that is better than doing the same one twice?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 16, 2023, 02:06:06 PM
For me, Tyrone goes down as one of the most important players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt since the 1982 team.
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Summed up perfectly.
Yes, saved me typing similar out.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 16, 2023, 02:17:25 PM
Says it all for me too!For me, Tyrone goes down as one of the most important players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt since the 1982 team.
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Summed up perfectly.
Yes, saved me typing similar out.
Post by: Bad English on August 16, 2023, 02:24:02 PM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2023, 03:45:03 PM
I remember our last season in the Championship when everyone outside Villa was raving about Jack Grealish and I told anyone who wanted to listen that our most valuable player at that time was actually Tyrone Mings. He was to us what Virgil van Dyke was to Liverpool.
I think he is actually better than VVD - certainly in the looks department (i have my only man crush with Ty)
Post by: dave shelley on August 16, 2023, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2023, 11:39:04 PM
For me, Tyrone goes down as one of the most important players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt since the 1982 team.
Not the best or most successful, but an absolutely fundamental part in our return from our lowest ebb (in modern times) to European football. I think his over-publicised occasional errors always overshadowed just what he gave to this team in leadership, sheer will to win and defensive dominance on the pitch.
For me, at his best he is an absolutely brilliant inspirational player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is a bonus. I don't know what happens next as I'm generally glass half empty when it comes down to injuries of this nature. But even if we don't see a huge amount more from him, there's no doubt in my mind at least that he will walk away with legend status and probably as one of my all time favourite players.
Well said Chris. The minute he walked through the door in January 2019, he’s made a huge difference. I can’t remember being this gutted about a player being out long term.
Me either. I woke up at 4am Sunday, an hour before my alarm, and just lay there, depressed, til it was time for work.
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 22, 2023, 02:59:15 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 22, 2023, 03:12:49 PM
It's a regular football injury, not a Petrov situation.
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2023, 03:32:23 PM
Does anyone else think that those t-shirts in Sunday were a bit OTT ?
It's a regular football injury, not a Petrov situation.
He’s been such a giant of a character for us on and off the pitch along with the way Gerrard treated him I think they just wanted to show him their support. He’s also one of football mr nice guys. His back story is quite something, being homeless and making professional quite late in comparison to most pro footballers.
Post by: nigel on August 22, 2023, 03:37:02 PM
Does anyone else think that those t-shirts in Sunday were a bit OTT ?
It's a regular football injury, not a Petrov situation.
They did it for Buendia, too.
It just shows the squad are all together.
I think it’s great
Post by: Smithy on August 22, 2023, 03:44:05 PM
Does anyone else think that those t-shirts in Sunday were a bit OTT ?
It's a regular football injury, not a Petrov situation.
They did it for Buendia, too.
It just shows the squad are all together.
I think it’s great
I also think the timing of the injuries makes them "feel" more significant. Right at the start of the season, pre-season done and gone well, then you get an injury that means you're unlikely to play again until the next season - it's a big blow. Not that this type of injury isn't a blow at any other time of the year, it just feels worse right as you're beginning a long season.
Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 03:51:36 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 22, 2023, 04:03:17 PM
Arsenal just took a team pic in the changing rooms after the match with Timber's shirt.
he's a new signing and they're just not as classy as us
Post by: andyh on August 22, 2023, 04:05:13 PM
Does anyone else think that those t-shirts in Sunday were a bit OTT ?its probably just you
It's a regular football injury, not a Petrov situation.
Post by: Nev on August 22, 2023, 04:35:24 PM
Arsenal just took a team pic in the changing rooms after the match with Timber's shirt.
They do that when the goalkeeper sees the ball out for a goal kick.
Post by: Bad English on August 22, 2023, 04:52:18 PM
Arsenal just took a team pic in the changing rooms after the match with Timber's shirt.Typical Tarquin behaviour.
Post by: berneboy on August 22, 2023, 07:40:25 PM
I haven’t seen anything and hope it went wonderfully well.
Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
Has Ty had his operation yet?
I haven’t seen anything and hope it went wonderfully well.
Both he and Buendia have had their surgeries. Think it was in Emery’s prematch comments before the Everton game, or maybe after, but he definitely mentioned that they'd had surgery and were recovering at home with their families.
Post by: berneboy on August 22, 2023, 07:50:38 PM
Has Ty had his operation yet?
I haven’t seen anything and hope it went wonderfully well.
Both he and Buendia have had their surgeries. Think it was in Emery’s prematch comments before the Everton game, or maybe after, but he definitely mentioned that they'd had surgery and were recovering at home with their families.
Thank you
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 22, 2023, 08:18:52 PM
hope there not sitting on there arses, someone won't be pleasedHas Ty had his operation yet?
I haven’t seen anything and hope it went wonderfully well.
Both he and Buendia have had their surgeries. Think it was in Emery’s prematch comments before the Everton game, or maybe after, but he definitely mentioned that they'd had surgery and were recovering at home with their families.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2023, 08:21:17 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 08:22:11 PM
where do Villa players usually have their surgery?
On their legs
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2023, 08:23:19 PM
maybe some yes :)where do Villa players usually have their surgery?
On their legs
Post by: adrenachrome on August 23, 2023, 01:32:10 AM
where do Villa players usually have their surgery?
On their legs
Another answer might be in accredited medical facilities.
Apart from Stefan Postma, by many accounts. He underwent extra mural therapeutic procedures which might hurt him in the end. Keep on rocking in the free world.
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/1794ww8/met_tyrone_mings_in_king_of_prussia_pennsylvania/
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 16, 2023, 09:20:32 PM
8)The news is the great Tyrone Mings is over in America seeing the specialist he saw when he had his Knee done in 2016.
Sources show image that he was spotted at a mall in pennsylvania.
The word says he's there for another month and that he will be back training in July.
Is that the same specialist he saw, if I recall correctly, when he ended up being out for 15 months.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 16, 2023, 09:29:10 PM
You would, wouldn’t you.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 17, 2023, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 17, 2023, 02:50:13 PM
Still on crutches 2 months post-injury is a bit grim.
It is a long term injury and he is probably still having operations on it (if he has seen a specialist.) It is not a broken bone but a torn / snapped ligament. The whole point is to keep the weight and stress off it. He was out 15 months with similar last time. Hopefully the time is cut back but I don't expect to see him playing until next season.
Post by: paul_e on October 17, 2023, 02:52:08 PM
Still on crutches 2 months post-injury is a bit grim.
It depends because I doubt he needs them all the time but if he's there for physio it would make sense to keep weight off it as much as possible between sessions.
If that's not the case and he's still reliant on them then it's a concern.
Post by: Chris Smith on October 17, 2023, 03:13:07 PM
Still on crutches 2 months post-injury is a bit grim.
Not at all. My son did his ACL at the end of last season. Due to NHS waiting times his op was probably around the same time as Tyrone’s and he’s been advised to use his crutches when he needs them and particularly post physio sessions. For a professional athlete as opposed to a Sunday morning hobbyist I imagine his regime is far more proscriptive.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 17, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
Still on crutches 2 months post-injury is a bit grim.
Not at all. My son did his ACL at the end of last season. Due to NHS waiting times his op was probably around the same time as Tyrone’s and he’s been advised to use his crutches when he needs them and particularly post physio sessions. For a professional athlete as opposed to a Sunday morning hobbyist I imagine his regime is far more proscriptive.
Thanks Chris, there's my 25 years of Sunday Morning football level of participation summed up in one word. 'hobbyist'. It's the truth too.
Post by: Chris Smith on October 17, 2023, 03:32:37 PM
Still on crutches 2 months post-injury is a bit grim.
Not at all. My son did his ACL at the end of last season. Due to NHS waiting times his op was probably around the same time as Tyrone’s and he’s been advised to use his crutches when he needs them and particularly post physio sessions. For a professional athlete as opposed to a Sunday morning hobbyist I imagine his regime is far more proscriptive.
Thanks Chris, there's my 25 years of Sunday Morning football level of participation summed up in one word. 'hobbyist'. It's the truth too.
Ha ha, mine too Bren.
Post by: OCD on October 17, 2023, 07:59:48 PM
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Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 21, 2023, 10:47:03 AM
His picture of his posture doesn't bode well
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 10:49:00 AM
He's put up a social media post saying he's going to provide an update later. Rumours abound that he's set to retire.
Where? There is nothing on his twatter account and one post on his instagram of him being carried off at Newcastle. As I don't have an Insta account, I can't see when posted or what message is showing next to it but I assume it is the same message as on his last twatter post.
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2023, 10:51:59 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/p152439/Screenshot-20231121-105104-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p152439)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 21, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 21, 2023, 10:54:57 AM
I didn't realise I didn't follow him on Instagram. Dunno why, sure I used to. He's only got one post, the one of him being stretchered off. Is that normal for his account?I don't think so, 😳
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 10:56:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/p152439/Screenshot-20231121-105104-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p152439)
But where is that posted? It's not on Insta or twitter.
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2023, 10:57:05 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/p152439/Screenshot-20231121-105104-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p152439)
But where is that posted? It's not on Insta or twitter.
Click on his profile picture on Insta.
It's where I took that Screenshot.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 11:09:55 AM
Hopefully it is a follow up as Konsa was asked about him alot after the call-up. Medically he might have also been given an actual date after the operations have all been completed and confirmed healing correctly.
Post by: frank black on November 21, 2023, 11:11:22 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2023, 11:12:52 AM
Hope he’s OK, whatever the announcement is..
Absolutely this.
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2023, 11:19:06 AM
Hope he’s OK, whatever the announcement is..
Absolutely this.
Spot on. Hope the club are looking after him too. He's a brilliant ambassador for this club.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on November 21, 2023, 11:45:30 AM
That's what I'm telling myself anyway.
Post by: andyh on November 21, 2023, 11:54:28 AM
It’s still healing.
Surely the time to give up and retire is 12 months after multiple comebacks have failed.
I don’t think we should be writing him just yet.
Post by: Dr Butler on November 21, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
It’s been 3 months since his injury.
It’s still healing.
Surely the time to give up and retire is 12 months after multiple comebacks have failed.
I don’t think we should be writing him just yet.
agreed, it may be that he requires more surgery and a longer rehab.
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Bad English on November 21, 2023, 11:59:49 AM
His Instagram picture seems to confirm this. ;-)
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2023, 12:01:24 PM
Hopefully his update will be on the lines of "Shouldn't have had the Phall last night, Johnson is approaching the Despatch Box again."
I'm reading this whist buckshotting the pan, marvellous.
Post by: Bad English on November 21, 2023, 12:04:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2023, 12:06:42 PM
I take it you are 'clocked in'.
Let's just say it's lucky we have two toilets.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2023, 12:17:37 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 21, 2023, 12:22:09 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2023, 12:24:21 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 21, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
His picture looks like he'd just watched Harry Maguire last night.
😂
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 12:36:19 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 21, 2023, 12:42:35 PM
I saw something recently where he bumped into a fan in America and pretty sure he said he would be out all season to them.
Konsa was talking about him being out all season in his England interview too. I had assumed all season anyway based on my complete lack of medical knowledge.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 21, 2023, 12:47:03 PM
Hope he’s OK, whatever the announcement is..
One of the late entrants to the jungle on IACGMOOH?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2023, 01:12:19 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on November 21, 2023, 01:19:24 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 21, 2023, 01:43:52 PM
Just announce your thing.
Its not nice to get the fans agitated like this.
Might just be me but I really don't like attempts at teasing.
Post by: VillaTim on November 21, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 21, 2023, 02:03:49 PM
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
If it's the case that he is retiring of course.
Post by: Bully2345 on November 21, 2023, 02:04:53 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 21, 2023, 02:16:34 PM
I love Tyrone and will be gutted if it's anything serious. That said, it smacks of a 'what's up hun' type post on Facebook.
I have PMd him love
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 21, 2023, 02:17:47 PM
Let's wait and see what he has to say first.Everyone is curious about the announcement, and retiring may be a possibility. I hope of course that's not the case as it would be disappointing but I would respect the decision.
To remove all of his images bar one on social media and the symbolic image in black and white makes me think retirement.
Mings is under contract until 2026, so I don't believe this is a new contract.It's best to just wait and see, that's quite right and I'm an optimist, especially under Emery, it's a good news story.
But does anyone else think there is a chance of retirement, though?It's best to prepare ourselves sometimes, so it's less shocking.He's 30 years old, and maybe with everything, it's a case that football playing isn't his thing anymore.
Mings has always been more than just a footballer.He said he never wanted the label just as : 'Tyrone Mings Footballer'
But More I wonder and feel he's calling time.Is that the wrong impression?
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 21, 2023, 02:21:44 PM
Is that the wrong impression?
Hopefully. For now everything is just speculation. It's natural to fear the worst, but lets hope for the best.
Post by: danno on November 21, 2023, 02:22:39 PM
"Mings sings Christmas"
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 21, 2023, 02:23:52 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 21, 2023, 02:30:29 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 21, 2023, 02:38:09 PM
I think I need to respect this situation as it's tough one and for all community here, so for own mind going to distract myself till the revelation and tend to the animals.
I need to remember Deano's words of emotional control!
I feel guilty as I have been enjoying Villa and haven't thought much of Mings. But more and more, I think of him: I miss him.I always love hearing him speak too.
All the best to all for coping, as the anticipation is hurting, that's for sure, and making me worry.
I wish I could make other thoughts and comments, and reading others comments helps a bit, but I'm stuck with only one impression.
Signing off until the Mings announcement.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 02:47:20 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 21, 2023, 03:07:59 PM
Post by: Nev on November 21, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
I'm with Larry David, just send the fucking invite.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 21, 2023, 03:17:45 PM
He's going to release a festive themed album.And one song dicated to Harry McGuire "If you can play for England so can I"
"Mings sings Christmas"
Post by: Smithy on November 21, 2023, 03:44:10 PM
I suppose it's equally possible that having done it again the surgeons are warning him of the long-term problems he's causing himself by trying to get back to top premier league standard. He signed a new contract in Feb, so it's not like retiring would have any significant financial penalty to him, I'm sure the insurance will pay out which means he'd be getting premier league wages for another two and half seasons, till he's 33.
If there is a chance he can play again at the top level, I'd be surprised if he decided to retire. Having come into the professional game late, and having three major season ending injuries, he's actually only played two-hundred odd games, which is very low for a 30-year-old. I'm sure there is a feeling of "unfinished business" with him. He could well find himself playing Champions League football next season :-)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 21, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 03:48:55 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2023, 03:50:50 PM
I’ve just been told by my IACGMOOH mate that he’s going into the jungle.
If he could funeral (figuratively speaking) Farage whilst in there that would be splendid.
Post by: Villafirst on November 21, 2023, 03:54:59 PM
Post by: DB on November 21, 2023, 03:57:10 PM
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 03:58:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 21, 2023, 04:07:33 PM
‘Tyrone trained this week on a mobility scooter so he is available for Tottingham’
Post by: LukeJames on November 21, 2023, 04:09:21 PM
Post by: danno on November 21, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
"Mings' bling"
Post by: Villafirst on November 21, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
Tom Ross reckons the speculation is wide of the mark and Mings is at BH continuing his recovery.
Yes, I read this on X. Sounds a lot more positive. Hopefully he's right!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 21, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 21, 2023, 04:27:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/sPBLfPt/IMG-0253.png) (https://ibb.co/sPBLfPt)
It’s all good. He’s just put a video up with his progress so far. He’s actually more mobile than I envisaged.
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 04:30:40 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on November 21, 2023, 04:31:21 PM
What a bunch of fannies!
Lol....great news though.
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2023, 04:35:47 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on November 21, 2023, 04:38:42 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 21, 2023, 04:40:54 PM
Emery has just spoken on it.😃
‘Tyrone trained this week on a mobility scooter so he is available for Tottingham’
Post by: Somniloquism on November 21, 2023, 04:58:06 PM
Presumably he’s overseas where the time difference is GMT +3 hours? Otherwise that’s an old post.
The person who took the screenshot is overseas with the time difference.
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
I don't think it was a 'u ok hun?' post, he doesn't come across like that, but rather just him wanting to be as open as possible with people and going a bit early with it.
Post by: oldtimernow on November 21, 2023, 05:04:51 PM
I’ve just been told by my IACGMOOH mate that he’s going into the jungle.
To sort out Farrago hopefully 💪🤞
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2023, 05:08:30 PM
Post by: ian c. on November 21, 2023, 05:11:35 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
He's moved to Nuneaton?
Post by: Legion on November 21, 2023, 05:26:43 PM
*Prays Mings doesn't make an any announcement for the next 10 years*
Guffaws.
Post by: Louzie0 on November 21, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 21, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
Brilliant!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
He's moved to Nuneaton?
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 21, 2023, 06:49:16 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
He's moved to Nuneaton?
Looks more like a lot eaten.
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2023, 07:39:22 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
He's moved to Nuneaton?
Looks more like a lot eaten.
Still better than Harry MaGuire!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 21, 2023, 07:53:18 PM
Looking back a little a video of his progress was always the most likely thing. He'll have recorded it and wanted to let people know it was coming but couldn't post it immediately because it'll have had some editing, etc.
I don't think it was a 'u ok hun?' post, he doesn't come across like that, but rather just him wanting to be as open as possible with people and going a bit early with it.
I’d go along with this.
maintaining a presence on social media will be welcomed by his agent and the club too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 21, 2023, 07:57:11 PM
Looking back a little a video of his progress was always the most likely thing. He'll have recorded it and wanted to let people know it was coming but couldn't post it immediately because it'll have had some editing, etc.
Plus he was busy getting his Glastonbury tickets sorted.
Post by: VillaTim on November 21, 2023, 08:28:14 PM
I'm wondering this must be a major announcement. I can only think he'll announce his retirement from football.This has aged really well
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 21, 2023, 09:10:58 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 21, 2023, 09:15:36 PM
Post by: OCD on November 21, 2023, 09:16:01 PM
I'm wondering this must be a major announcement. I can only think he'll announce his retirement from football.This has aged really well
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
Foresight.
Post by: AV84 on November 21, 2023, 09:20:46 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 21, 2023, 09:37:48 PM
I'm wondering this must be a major announcement. I can only think he'll announce his retirement from football.This has aged really well
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
Foresight.
like Bruce
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2023, 09:42:21 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/TbpRNgf/837b6067-3356-4a8d-9af0-2ec10f648a42.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TbpRNgf)
He's moved to Nuneaton?
Looks more like a lot eaten.
Nah, she was a big nun.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 21, 2023, 09:42:23 PM
Footy wasn't the only poster on here speculating about retirement, and given how the actual update was worded, plenty of people elsewhere were doing it too. In fact it's quite likely the first post was worded that way intentionally. Plenty of other posts from the footies more deserving of ridicule than this one.
Yeah but they can’t wait to randomly speculate on everything, working on the stopped clock theory.
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 21, 2023, 09:47:37 PM
Presumably he’s overseas where the time difference is GMT +3 hours? Otherwise that’s an old post.
No it’s me, I’m in Egypt.
Post by: VillaTim on November 21, 2023, 09:49:41 PM
dust worselves down when the tulips come up and roll wor socks upI'm wondering this must be a major announcement. I can only think he'll announce his retirement from football.This has aged really well
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
Foresight.
like Bruce
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 22, 2023, 06:49:06 PM
Ty has promised more, so maybe next time I won't be so nervous!
It's incredibly difficult physically and mentally, so fingers crossed for no setbacks, and it's great to hear and see him and how much support he has. Fantastic!
Post by: Axl Rose on November 23, 2023, 06:46:41 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 23, 2023, 10:36:31 AM
I'm wondering this must be a major announcement. I can only think he'll announce his retirement from football.This has aged really well
The physical and mental toll of the injury, as well as having to get back to contention and competition to depose Pau Torres.
Perhaps he wants to concentrate on something other than football and now is the type to finish
Good Wishes is all I can say. He'll be a success whatever he is going to do.
Foresight.
like Bruce
What about Roddy?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 23, 2023, 10:41:04 AM
Foresight.
like Bruce
What about Roddy?
Frederick's the main man!
Post by: AV84 on November 29, 2023, 10:49:17 PM
Quote
A judge has issued an arrest warrant for a man accused of making racist gestures towards Aston Villa defender Tyrone Mings.
Italian national Angelo Lancianese, 39, was made the subject of a warrant without bail after he failed to attend a hearing at Dudley Magistrates' Court on Monday.
The 39-year-old was arrested when Villa hosted Lazio in a pre-season friendly at Walsall's Bescot Stadium on 3 August.
He was charged with using threatening or abusive words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress and allegedly causing racially or religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress.
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2023, 10:55:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2023, 01:52:10 PM
Lazio had some interesting banners for Celtic yesterday. Friendly bunch.
Always thought the 'S.S.' at the front of the name and the big Nazi eagle on the badge was a bit off, and something someone like Chris Heck would be looking to move away from.
But no, it actually seems to be with some intent in their case.
Post by: Monty on November 30, 2023, 01:59:31 PM
Lazio had some interesting banners for Celtic yesterday. Friendly bunch.
Always thought the 'S.S.' at the front of the name and the big Nazi eagle on the badge was a bit off, and something someone like Chris Heck would be looking to move away from.
But no, it actually seems to be with some intent in their case.
Tutti ci odiano, non ce ne freghiamo.
Incidentally, 'me ne frego!' - 'I don't care' - was the very first fascist slogan.
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2023, 02:02:53 PM
Lazio had some interesting banners for Celtic yesterday. Friendly bunch.
Always thought the 'S.S.' at the front of the name and the big Nazi eagle on the badge was a bit off, and something someone like Chris Heck would be looking to move away from.
But no, it actually seems to be with some intent in their case.
Tutti ci odiano, non ce ne freghiamo.
Incidentally, 'me ne frego!' - 'I don't care' - was the very first fascist slogan.
My 10 year old daughter's favourite riposte to anything I say, the little fashy shit.
Post by: Monty on November 30, 2023, 02:10:36 PM
Lazio had some interesting banners for Celtic yesterday. Friendly bunch.
Always thought the 'S.S.' at the front of the name and the big Nazi eagle on the badge was a bit off, and something someone like Chris Heck would be looking to move away from.
But no, it actually seems to be with some intent in their case.
Tutti ci odiano, non ce ne freghiamo.
Incidentally, 'me ne frego!' - 'I don't care' - was the very first fascist slogan.
My 10 year old daughter's favourite riposte to anything I say, the little fashy shit.
Gotta stamp that out mate. Don't be Victor Emmanuel III. Say to her, renounce violence or no room in the coalition for you!
(Apropos of nothing I am not a parent, don't know if you can tell.)
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 30, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 02:28:35 PM
Sound advice brother, though I might leave it a couple of years before showing her the 'upside down fascist' picture.
Probably best to wait till she learns the finer points of Italian cooking.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 04, 2023, 12:24:52 AM
Found this online. Written by Tim Adams who is a Villan.
It's a bit old, but really makes you think about the trial/ordeal that players have recovering from long term injuries. Seems that the mental side is as important as the physical issues.
Makes you wonder how Emi Buendia and Tyrone Mings are getting along.
Post by: sid1964 on December 04, 2023, 06:01:52 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 04, 2023, 08:52:06 AM
I would think that it will be at least another year before Mings is again a regular in the Villa squad
Depends. Obviously there might be differences in both injuries and could be set backs along the way but Buendia could be back with the first team squad in Feb / March. Of course back in training AND back playing are also two different things.
Post by: KevinGage on December 04, 2023, 09:34:38 AM
I would think that it will be at least another year before Mings is again a regular in the Villa squad
It's somewhat easier for a CB to come back from that sort of injury as opposed to a midfielder or wide forward-type. Most of the play is in front of them, and don't need to cover every blade of grass and twist and turn etc.
It's complicated somewhat by Mings having a similar injury earlier in his career. After the trauma of two of those sort of injuries I'd be happy to see him just return, even if the ends up playing the Diego Carlos/ Lenglet role next year.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 04, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 04, 2023, 10:50:46 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 04, 2023, 11:03:52 AM
There's a whole bunch of steps in the recovery here, the big thing to watch for right now is them getting on grass, once they hit that point you're looking at 6-8 weeks for them to be in 'full' training.
You only have to look at Ramsey's return to see how long it takes a player to fully recover. He can do a job for us now but it's going to take time for him to be the Ramsey at his best.
Post by: OCD on December 04, 2023, 11:33:11 AM
I would think that it will be at least another year before Mings is again a regular in the Villa squad
It's somewhat easier for a CB to come back from that sort of injury as opposed to a midfielder or wide forward-type. Most of the play is in front of them, and don't need to cover every blade of grass and twist and turn etc.
It's a bit different the way we play. Our defenders will step up to catch players offside. When play continues, (the linesmen don't raise their flag straight away, for instance), they've then got to turn and sprint back to catch up with play.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2024, 02:50:57 PM
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
Post by: LeeS on February 02, 2024, 02:53:16 PM
Good to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
With moves like that he should be a contestant on Gladiators
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2024, 02:55:12 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2024, 02:55:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2024, 03:13:17 PM
God, I fancy him.
Get in line
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2024, 03:37:51 PM
Good to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
I wonder why we've not had anything similar from Buendia? He didn't seem as bad as Tyrone.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 03:38:35 PM
Good to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
I wonder why we've not had anything similar from Buendia? He didn't seem as bad as Tyrone.
We got that sexy Christmas pic, surely that's enough for anyone.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2024, 03:42:23 PM
we did he was on that AR thingGood to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
I wonder why we've not had anything similar from Buendia? He didn't seem as bad as Tyrone.
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2024, 03:50:52 PM
God, I fancy him.We all fancy Paul but what about Tyrone?
Post by: TonyD on February 02, 2024, 03:53:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 02, 2024, 04:14:15 PM
Good to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
I wonder why we've not had anything similar from Buendia? He didn't seem as bad as Tyrone.
Because Buendia doesn't post anything like that video on his own personal Insta/Tiktok?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2024, 05:20:08 PM
Good to see he’s making progress
https://x.com/danb5826/status/1753176780389687566?s=46
I wonder why we've not had anything similar from Buendia? He didn't seem as bad as Tyrone.
He’s actually been a bit more public than Tyrone I think. There was the AR thing he did, and he’s been more in and around the team. They both seem to doing well in their recovery which is the good news. I still would be surprised to see them again this season. Best case May.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2024, 05:24:54 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 15, 2024, 01:49:52 PM
Xmas has come early !
Probably be a good 3-4 weeks till we see him though i would imagine
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 15, 2024, 02:23:29 PM
Got to be at least a couple of months to get back to match fitness?
Yeah i think so. He hasnt kicked a ball in such a long period his fitness will be lacking. We all seen how cautions the clubs been bringing back players. Id be suprised if he plays before April
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 15, 2024, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: Richard on February 15, 2024, 02:26:36 PM
Great news, hopefully he's available for the latter stages of the Conference League.
Not named in the euro squad was he?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 15, 2024, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 15, 2024, 02:57:36 PM
Would be great if he did get back before May though
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2024, 02:58:44 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 15, 2024, 03:07:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 15, 2024, 03:07:46 PM
If we see him again at ANY point this season I'll be delighted, but even if he's ahead of schedule I'd be surprised to see him in competitive action before April.
The one thing I'll say in his favour, is that Ty is an incredible professional, and having gone through this before, I suspect he has done absolutely everything within his power to reduce the time to get back fit. So if anyone was going to do it ahead of schedule, it would be him.
Post by: Dave P on February 15, 2024, 03:08:06 PM
One website includes quotes from a US Doctor who specialises in those injuries. He reckons most athletes are playing again after 9 months but most reckon it is into the 12 months range / second season before they feel like they are fully recovered. So I think we could see him in the run in, however don't expect the same player in those matches.
I think we just want any player. Especially at centre half.
Post by: eamonn on February 15, 2024, 03:11:46 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 15, 2024, 03:24:38 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 15, 2024, 03:26:16 PM
I thought Buendia was supposed to be recuperating quicker - is he back training yet?
I was wondering this myself. (Unconfirmed) Reports were he was expected to be back for March but no news yet. Although I'm not sure how social media savvy he is compared to Tyrone.
Post by: caster troy on February 15, 2024, 04:05:46 PM
Post by: usav on February 15, 2024, 04:20:03 PM
I had a full rupture and was back playing in 4 months with no surgery. However, I was 37 at the time and not a professional athlete. I also had really good stability in the knee so surgery was deemed as detrimental in my case.
Post by: Mister E on February 15, 2024, 04:58:17 PM
*It's been 6 months and 3 days since the Newcastle opening day disaster."It's been 6 months and 3 days since you went away ..."
Post by: manic-road on February 15, 2024, 05:34:59 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2024, 05:39:24 PM
*It's been 6 months and 3 days since the Newcastle opening day disaster."It's been 6 months and 3 days since you went away ..."
I went to the surgeon, guess what he told me, guess what he told me....
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2024, 05:51:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2024, 06:20:05 PM
Isn’t the Arsenal player who did his ACL at the start of the season back in training as well now?
Yeah, heard Timber is back in training for them if it's the same fella.
Post by: john2710 on February 15, 2024, 06:39:56 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on February 15, 2024, 08:06:03 PM
Post by: Chap on February 15, 2024, 08:07:44 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 15, 2024, 08:40:28 PM
Isn’t the Arsenal player who did his ACL at the start of the season back in training as well now?
Yeah, heard Timber is back in training for them if it's the same fella.
I’m sure he’ll be pine after a few games.
Post by: LeonW on February 15, 2024, 10:03:15 PM
Post by: Legion on February 15, 2024, 10:14:54 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 15, 2024, 10:17:02 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 15, 2024, 10:18:15 PM
If he were to be fit before then end of the season, are we able to register him for the league?
He already is.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 16, 2024, 12:03:56 AM
Isn’t the Arsenal player who did his ACL at the start of the season back in training as well now?
Yeah, heard Timber is back in training for them if it's the same fella.
I’m sure he’ll be pine after a few games.
Not an ACL. He fell in a lake.
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2024, 10:24:40 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 16, 2024, 10:36:41 AM
Once he is fully back, it will be interesting competition between him and Pau Torres for that left side. Would have been interesting how this season would have been without our long-term injuries.
I can see all sorts of things happening when they are both fit, and Konsa too.
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2024, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: jwarry on February 16, 2024, 12:21:09 PM
Yep. Replace Carlos and sort out the right back position, and we're set at the back.
Could be why there are rumours about Nacho
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 16, 2024, 12:27:27 PM
Yep. Replace Carlos and sort out the right back position, and we're set at the back.
That should be a priority regardless of what else we do with the defensive positions.
Post by: Drummond on February 16, 2024, 12:53:30 PM
Yep. Replace Carlos and sort out the right back position, and we're set at the back.
That should be a priority regardless of what else we do with the defensive positions.
He's 4th choice CB behind Mings, Torres and Konsa, I think he's perfectly adequate for that; as for RB, then yes, I'd rather we had a specialist than asking Konsa to play there.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 16, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
Yep. Replace Carlos and sort out the right back position, and we're set at the back.
That should be a priority regardless of what else we do with the defensive positions.
He's 4th choice CB behind Mings, Torres and Konsa, I think he's perfectly adequate for that; as for RB, then yes, I'd rather we had a specialist than asking Konsa to play there.
It isn't that simple with CBs though. He's effectively second choice behind Konsa as a right sided CB. As Konsa has been used at RB quite a lot, that introduces more opportunities for Carlos to play. He's far from a lower pecking order player, he cost us 30m for a start!
Post by: AV82EC on February 16, 2024, 01:43:02 PM
Yep. Replace Carlos and sort out the right back position, and we're set at the back.
That should be a priority regardless of what else we do with the defensive positions.
He's 4th choice CB behind Mings, Torres and Konsa, I think he's perfectly adequate for that; as for RB, then yes, I'd rather we had a specialist than asking Konsa to play there.
It isn't that simple with CBs though. He's effectively second choice behind Konsa as a right sided CB. As Konsa has been used at RB quite a lot, that introduces more opportunities for Carlos to play. He's far from a lower pecking order player, he cost us 30m for a start!
Carlos has been very in and out this season. One good performance where he’s not looked at all troubled followed by ones where he’s looked all at sea. I suppose coming back from pretty much a whole season out has probably impacted more than we think but despite the miracles of modern medicine to still perform at the same levels in elite sport takes some doing and I think he struggles with that a bit. He’s doing ok but Konsa is our first choice RCB but he’s a more than adequate back up.
Post by: jwarry on February 16, 2024, 02:39:52 PM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2024, 02:45:52 PM
Well Unai seems to think he won’t be training until the end of the season so I think Mr Romano jumped the gun
I did think that yesterday. There seemed to be nothing other than a picture of Mings in the gym, of which we've seen quite a few recently. From that, it jumped to he's training with the team again, and then some of the other click bait sites leapt ahead with "the game against Fulham may come too soon for him." If we do see him this season it's not going to be until May.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 16, 2024, 02:52:47 PM
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“Always they (injured players) are in our mind. They support us every day here in the training ground and it’s very important.
“All the season they are going to be out – Tyrone Mings and Emiliano Buendia. Hopefully they can come back to train at the end of the season with the group and start next season being completely fine to play like they were playing before.”
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2024, 07:04:27 PM
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/1770153178438193645?s=46
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2024, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: nigel on March 19, 2024, 07:18:09 PM
Whne I broke my femur the muscle loss happened so quickly it was scary, and, more than 25 years later, it's never fully recovered.
A femur break?
Flippin’ heck, nasty.
It’s probably the one bone that no one wants to break