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Title: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on January 11, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
Copied over from last year's thread

Have hardly heard or seen anything about the West Indies tour, so had a look at the BBC site to see if there was anything on there.  Seems there is only 1 warm up fixture before the series starts (not even sure if it is a red ball game or separate white ball ones from the site) which seems a really short preparation given that they haven't played for a while. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
Well just about finalised the trip to Caribbean. Fly off to Barbados on 17 February. Watching all one dayers and T20 matches in Barbados, Grenada, St Lucia and St Kitts. Decided to not go for Test matches as we donít expect them to be competitive or much atmosphere due to current state of West Indies cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
I'm ok with fewer warm up games, I don't think they've provided much value in the last few years. I'd rather they setup games behind closed doors against the lions if they need practice in the middle.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on January 16, 2019, 01:23:10 AM
Well just about finalised the trip to Caribbean. Fly off to Barbados on 17 February. Watching all one dayers and T20 matches in Barbados, Grenada, St Lucia and St Kitts. Decided to not go for Test matches as we donít expect them to be competitive or much atmosphere due to current state of West Indies cricket.

Sounds terrible that mate!  Not at all jealous!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 16, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
Well just about finalised the trip to Caribbean. Fly off to Barbados on 17 February. Watching all one dayers and T20 matches in Barbados, Grenada, St Lucia and St Kitts. Decided to not go for Test matches as we donít expect them to be competitive or much atmosphere due to current state of West Indies cricket.

Fucker. I have 4 weeks in Burnham on Sea at various times of the year and another week in North Wales!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2019, 08:13:07 AM
Olly Stone crocked already and out of the Windies tour
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on January 17, 2019, 10:24:35 PM
Mark Wood called up as a replacement.  Shame for Olly Stone. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: DrGonzo on January 23, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
So Broady is rested.  Rash is in.  Unfortunately from that point of view we are bowling first and Curran isn't on the money.  I'm worried that we are loading our batting too heavily, to leave Stuart out is a risk, it could leave the selectors with a certain amount of egg on face...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 23, 2019, 03:04:04 PM
So Broady is rested.  Rash is in.  Unfortunately from that point of view we are bowling first and Curran isn't on the money.  I'm worried that we are loading our batting too heavily, to leave Stuart out is a risk, it could leave the selectors with a certain amount of egg on face...

if it came to a straight choice between Broad and Curran then I'd go with Curran every time. Broad's effectiveness as a bowler has been on the wane for some time now; previously he's been able to pull out a match winning spell when his place was under threat but he's not done that for a while now. Curran is the future and seems to have the ability to make something happen with the ball and score valuable lower middle order runs.

So far the ball hasn't swung and as always we look ineffective in overseas conditions without swing, even with a Dukes ball. Time for the spinners I think Joe.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
How many wicket keepers do we want in one team?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2019, 05:29:46 PM
Not great so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
Good from Stokes needed that. Other than him we look a little one paced.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2019, 09:04:39 PM
Jimmy changing the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 23, 2019, 09:27:35 PM
So Broady is rested.  Rash is in.  Unfortunately from that point of view we are bowling first and Curran isn't on the money.  I'm worried that we are loading our batting too heavily, to leave Stuart out is a risk, it could leave the selectors with a certain amount of egg on face...

if it came to a straight choice between Broad and Curran then I'd go with Curran every time. Broad's effectiveness as a bowler has been on the wane for some time now; previously he's been able to pull out a match winning spell when his place was under threat but he's not done that for a while now. Curran is the future and seems to have the ability to make something happen with the ball and score valuable lower middle order runs.

So far the ball hasn't swung and as always we look ineffective in overseas conditions without swing, even with a Dukes ball. Time for the spinners I think Joe.

I don't think Curran is good enough at this stage to be given the new ball. Broad bowled really well in the warm up games and i still a very good performer with the dukes ball.

I can understand leaving Broad out in Sri Lanka when you are playing 3 spinners, but I disagree with it here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on January 24, 2019, 11:19:11 AM
It should be Woakes before either of them anyway.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
It should be Woakes before either of them anyway.

Curran shouldn't be the one that's being debated, it's Rashid that shouldn't be in that team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 24, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
TV cameras just panned in on Steve Bruce in the crowd at the Test.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 24, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
It should be Woakes before either of them anyway.

Curran shouldn't be the one that's being debated, it's Rashid that shouldn't be in that team.

You say that but I reckon this pitch will be spinning sideways by the end of day three.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 04:33:21 PM
It should be Woakes before either of them anyway.

Curran shouldn't be the one that's being debated, it's Rashid that shouldn't be in that team.

You say that but I reckon this pitch will be spinning sideways by the end of day three.

It may do, but I think I'd still rather have an extra quick than Rashid, I don't dislike him I just don't think his bowling is suited to test cricket (except maybe as a 2nd or 3rd spinner on the Indian sub-continent). If we had a genuinely threatening leggie who created pressure at one end I'd be really happy having them in but Rashid has a bad habit of bowling mostly tame stuff with enough scoring deliveries that teams never feel like they have to chase after him. As soon as players start going after his bowling he becomes a threat, but they just don't have to do that all that often.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 24, 2019, 04:47:35 PM
Our openers don't get any better do they?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 05:05:48 PM
Our openers don't get any better do they?

Really poor shot from Burns to get out, he's better than that but misjudged the pace.

Jennings was just shockingly bad technique, so many things wrong with the shot and it's almost a perfect explanation of why he's just not good enough for test cricket.

Bairstow gone as well but I haven't got a massive issue with what Bairstow did, it was an excellent delivery to him and then pretty unlucky to cop his elbow and go on to the stumps.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
England's top order have been struggling for what seems like ages now, been piss poor again today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Jeez 48-5 Stokes 0.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
Very next ball Moen out for 0. Embarrassing
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
What a bloody shambles of an effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
And another goes, Buttler caught behind.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:38:36 PM
I'm not so bothered about a match in the West Indies but the Aussies will be rubbing their hands at this. We just don't seem to have anyone that can stick around.
49-7 Struggling to get to 50.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
Middle order can't always bail out the openers, Jennings needed to see out the first session and then the guys on the field have to see the first 7-8 overs of the session through. If you can't do that you're always a couple of wickets away from a collapse like this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 24, 2019, 05:56:17 PM
61-8 Foakes gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2019, 06:11:12 PM
I had a feeling the Test series wasn't going to be competitive ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
So is this once again where thereís a bit of pace in an attack and we fold like a deck of cards?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 24, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
Itís pathetic.

Shades of New Zealand last winter, something has to change.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
I would enforce follow on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
Itís pathetic.

Shades of New Zealand last winter, something has to change.

That's the thing, I don't know what can change because the fundamental issue is that our openers fail time after time so we never have a foundation. With our middle order we'll often get our way out of it and survive but on a pitch with a bit to it and some aggressive bowlers like this you always run the risk of being blown away. We are desperate for a couple of decent openers, Burns deserves more time to try to step-up but Jennings is out of his depth unless teams open with spinners, he just can't play bowling once it gets up around 85mph+ and almost every test side has a bowler or 2 that can top that.


As a bear I'm worried that Rhodes will be high on the list if he starts the season well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on January 24, 2019, 06:37:25 PM
Still itís nice and hot here compared to the daily commute.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 24, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
The sooner the Test is over, the sooner Steve Bruce will be in charge at Wednesday.  It's almost as if the England players are all Blades fans 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on January 24, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
Good job they played Curran instead of Broad  ::)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2019, 07:10:51 PM
I like Curran, but heís not a second seamer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 24, 2019, 07:17:20 PM
Yep. Curran has a lot about him as a cricketer. However, there is no way he is an opening bowler at test level yet. I'd probably have him as 4th seamer at present.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2019, 07:51:40 PM
Getting absolutely mullered by the West Indies, the batsmen are weak.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 24, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
Yes it was a pathetic performance with the bat but it was a fantastic spell by Roach.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on January 24, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
I was listening to Darren Gough a couple of days ago, saying, yeah, I reckon 3-0 to England.  Bloody arrogance.  A disaster of a batting performance and the Windies making it look like a different track altogether.  I agree with others, Sam Curran isn't ready.  Bloody shame Olly Stone is injured, he'd be excellent on that pitch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 24, 2019, 08:23:35 PM
61-4. Not even two days in and 24 wickets have fallen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on January 24, 2019, 08:27:29 PM
61-4. Not even two days in and 24 wickets have fallen.

61-5 now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2019, 08:27:53 PM
Sam Curran absolutely is ready, heís proven that. Heís just not a number one or two seamer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 08:30:01 PM
Sam Curran absolutely is ready, heís proven that. Heís just not a number one or two seamer.

The key thing with him is you need to be able to pull him out of the attack quickly if batsmen get after him. He's not quick enough to push through that, especially early in the innings. This is why I'd go with a 4th seamer ahead of Rashid unless the wicket is a dust bowl.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 24, 2019, 08:30:40 PM
Thereís no chance that we will score the necessary runs to win this test.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 08:35:37 PM
Thereís no chance that we will score the necessary runs to win this test.

probably not but fair play to the bowlers for giving us an outside chance with that spell. Still need to skittle them and then have all the batsmen find form from almost nothing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
Glad Curran has got on the board there, he's not bowled badly, he's just not quick enough to be a big threat on this pitch, decent delivery but a pretty lazy shot to be honest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on January 25, 2019, 12:10:12 AM
I think a lot of people have under-estimated the Windies and bigged us up too much. Itís no fluke weíve only won one series here in 50 years and preparation has simply been inadequate - as is the case with most tours - which makes winning away even harder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on January 25, 2019, 12:59:46 AM
If I had shelled out a lot of money to go out there I'd be absolutely seething with that performance today and the preparation (or lack of it) that has gone into the tour.  There has been something wrong in the set up fof some time now and it is almost as if they need to reach almost crisis point and receive the criticism that comes with it to find any kind of motivation.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
Blimey weíre in for an absolute hammering here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on January 25, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Blimey weíre in for an absolute hammering here.

Two days to get somewhere around 600. No problem, that's why they packed the batting lineup ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 25, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
If I had shelled out a lot of money to go out there I'd be absolutely seething with that performance today and the preparation (or lack of it) that has gone into the tour.  There has been something wrong in the set up fof some time now and it is almost as if they need to reach almost crisis point and receive the criticism that comes with it to find any kind of motivation.

If I'd have shelled out a ton of money to go out there, I'd have binned the cricket by now and be chilling out on the beach. The Windies batting today is making our effort yesterday look even more feeble.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 25, 2019, 05:36:28 PM
If I had shelled out a lot of money to go out there I'd be absolutely seething with that performance today and the preparation (or lack of it) that has gone into the tour.  There has been something wrong in the set up fof some time now and it is almost as if they need to reach almost crisis point and receive the criticism that comes with it to find any kind of motivation.

If I'd have shelled out a ton of money to go out there, I'd have binned the cricket by now and be chilling out on the beach. The Windies batting today is making our effort yesterday look even more feeble.

I wonder if our former manager has binned the cricket to go in search of an authentic Bajan fish kebab?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 05:55:01 PM
Weíll get less than 180 in response to whatever target is set.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
Itís excellent by Holder and Dowrich, but bloody hell itís a poor all round display from England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 06:55:37 PM
Also running Anderson and Stokes into the ground is a real problem.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
Root bowled more overs than Rashid, kinda sums up why he was such a poor selection for this match, Woakes or Broad instead would've given us much more threat. It wouldn't have made a difference because the first innings batting was abysmal but it'd have been nice to get 20 wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
It's spells like this that make me worry with Jennings. He gets bogged down too easily and can be tempted to play silly shots, when you add that to his tendency to throw his hands when he drives and it just always feels really nervy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
Root bowled more overs than Rashid, kinda sums up why he was such a poor selection for this match, Woakes or Broad instead would've given us much more threat. It wouldn't have made a difference because the first innings batting was abysmal but it'd have been nice to get 20 wickets.

Yes I donít think the Curran selection was the problem, him as 4th or 5th seamer would have worked. Rashid unbalanced the side in these conditions.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2019, 09:26:57 PM
To give them credit, that's a good stand from Burns and Jennings. It's almost certainly not going to make any difference but they need some stands where they're still together after 25-30 overs because that's just not something England have had for a few years.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 09:30:23 PM
Yep, good bit of fight finally.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on January 25, 2019, 09:44:15 PM
Only the 10th time in Test history, more than 300 runs have been scored in a day and no wickets taken. Brilliant knock from Holder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2019, 12:10:10 AM
Yep, good bit of fight finally.

One of my real gripes with the England set up of a recent years is the way in which they just write off games as soon as the odds are against them and they just fold.  It's almost as if there is a collective attitude of "ah well, this game has gone.  Let's just get it over with and move on to the next one".  Hopefully they will show some real fight tomorrow and at least make the West Indians work for their victory.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Rory Christopher on January 26, 2019, 02:14:21 AM
Absolutely. I am in no way denigrating the Windies who have looked very sharp, professional and have put in a good performance, but my god, we need to stop doing this. I'm fed up of knowing we'll lose by tea on day one. It would be nice to lose a close game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 26, 2019, 07:31:25 AM
Itís highly imbrobable that we will win so hopefully our misfiring batting line up will use the time in the middle to bat themselves into some form.

The pitch has become a bit of a road so hopefully that will help them with some time in the middle.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
Subsiding here. Other than Burns, poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2019, 07:10:08 PM
Very annoying that everyone has seemed to get a start and then lose their concentration, other than Moeen who has been worryingly poor with the bat for a while now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 26, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Very annoying that everyone has seemed to get a start and then lose their concentration, other than Moeen who has been worryingly poor with the bat for a while now.

A pair for Moeen, shit game from both of our two main spinners.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
Fucking rubbish from every single one of them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on January 26, 2019, 07:44:21 PM
Or have them so cold you canít taste them
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
A stand in wickey stumping someone from a ball by a part time spinner. There in ends one of the worst performances I've seen from an England team in any sport.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
This England team really do love to chuck in the towel when things are going badly.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
I like Mo, but at the moment thereís no way heís a number 6.

I still have some annoyance from Bairstow giving it the big one after that century in SL. His form over the last year or so nowhere near warrants it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on January 26, 2019, 11:50:20 PM
We do well at home and did really well in Sri Lanka but for me, Root is not a great captain.  We were yet again undercooked preparation wise for this teat and got the selection wrong.  A completed capitulation for us with the bat in both innings, never mind the first.  We thought we could just turn up and steamroller them and have been badly beaten here. Rashid isn't interested in red ball cricket and yet we select him for England, I have a problem with that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 27, 2019, 02:30:37 AM
I like Mo, but at the moment thereís no way heís a number 6.

I still have some annoyance from Bairstow giving it the big one after that century in SL. His form over the last year or so nowhere near warrants it.

The batting line up just looks wrong altogether. There is no way that Bairstow is a test no 3. He's too loose and doesn't adapt to the situation. Stokes isn't good enough to bat 5 and Buttler is a spot too high at 6. Having Foakes as keeper at 8 is just a luxury, when Bairstow and Buttler are in the side.

As for Moeen? Well both his shots in the match have been pathetic. He does seem to have a "don't give a shit" attitude about his batting a lot of the time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 27, 2019, 10:41:52 AM
We looked completely unprepared. Whoever thought that just two 2 day matches against part-timers was enough to prepare for a rapidly improving West Indies needs sacking.

Anyway, as Jennings has to go, who should we bring in as an opener now?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on January 27, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
Really poor performance from England, but we've seen it all before many times over the past few years.  What we haven't tended to see though (apart from the Ashes maybe) is a string of performances like that throughout a series.  There is usually one stinker (normally the first test) and there is then some kind of reaction. 

The selectors got the bowling selection badly wrong for the test and I'm sure that will be rectified for the next one.  The batting, however, has been a concern for some time now and I just think they are trying to fit in too many all-rounders.  The top three has been a massive problem for some time and Jennings surely must now be dropped. 

If we had stronger batting options then I think it should probably have to be a choice between Buttler, Bairstow or Foakes keeping and batting seven.  For all his talent, Stokes is batting too high at five and should be six at the highest.  Commentators keep harking back to his innings in South Africa, but how long ago was that now? 

Ali for me should be batting eight, as that is where he has looked most comfortable and has scored a fair few runs there. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on January 27, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
We looked completely unprepared. Whoever thought that just two 2 day matches against part-timers was enough to prepare for a rapidly improving West Indies needs sacking.

Anyway, as Jennings has to go, who should we bring in as an opener now?
Joe Denly to be given a go ? I think Jennings will get Antigua but failures there could and should see a change.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
I wouldnít be surprised to see Denly in to bat at 3, Bairstow take the gloves back and drop to 5 or 6...harsh on Foakes after Sri Lanka but Denly offers that Collingwood level bowling option.

Burns
Jennings
Denly
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
Curran / Woakes
Broad
Anderson

With Moís poor batting in tests for a while Leach might be an option but canít see this England regime making that many changes at once.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on January 28, 2019, 10:14:16 PM
This is brilliant:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06z6x5p

(https://i.ibb.co/C0rjFBd/p06z6xk6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C0rjFBd)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on January 30, 2019, 06:29:59 PM
Is Woakes injured otherwise I can't believe he's not in the squad tomorrow ?

Denly replaces Jennings
Presume Broad will play but not sure who for
Leach in for Rashid
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2019, 07:07:11 PM
Broad will be in and depending on pitch itíll be Curran or Leach.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2019, 02:52:12 AM
Broad will be in and depending on pitch itíll be Curran or Leach.

Would have thought so Paul.  Need a vast improvement in all spects from the first test. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 31, 2019, 07:15:29 AM
Is Woakes injured otherwise I can't believe he's not in the squad tomorrow ?

Denly replaces Jennings
Presume Broad will play but not sure who for
Leach in for Rashid

Heís not injured but heís slipped behind Curran. During the last two home summers heís missed a lot of Cricket due to injury. Curran stepped in and did well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
Hopefully Woakes will be allowed to play for the Bears if England don't want him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on January 31, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
Hopefully Woakes will be allowed to play for the Bears if England don't want him.

I think in English conditions he's a handful so he's likely to still be around the squad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2019, 02:36:19 PM
And yet another poor start from England, Burns goes for 4. No surprise to see Broad back in the team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
Shocking shot from Denly, toe-ends going at a wide delivery.

England 16-2.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Root out to a snorter 34-3.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2019, 05:24:54 PM
6 down, pitch sounds tough. Weíll see when the Windies bat I guess.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2019, 05:44:47 PM
Really tough looking pitch, there's a fair bit of green on it. Bowling with aggression on this will bag plenty of wickets. It's one of those where you can't just defend and get set because you're never truly safe but if you try to play shots they're always a risk. That said there's been a few ropey shots as well.

I think Jimmy, Stokes and Broad will all enjoy this because the ball is doing plenty in the air and on the bounce.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2019, 06:30:32 PM
Good and timely knock from Mo.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Foakes is in front of Buttler in this side for me, if you had to choose. He is a much calmer batsman than most of ours and balances the side better. Plus heís the best keeper of the three options available, by a distance.
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Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2019, 07:17:35 PM
Yep.  Looks more comfortable down the order for me and has had some good knocks down there in recent years.  This partnership might be a real game changer if they can carry it on. 
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Post by: Newby on January 31, 2019, 07:44:20 PM
Bloody hellfire.  Our batsmen finding all sorts of ways of getting out.  Moeen, Foakes play terrible shots.  We need to get past the 200 mark to make it competitive but it doesn't look like we will.  I just hope Broad's height and pace can be as difficult to play against.  Same Curran?  What's the point of him being in the side?
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Post by: Villan For Life on January 31, 2019, 07:55:28 PM
187 all out.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2019, 08:09:26 PM
Pretty weak stuff. Weíll see how the Windies go, but thatís three dismal batting efforts on this tour so far.
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Post by: Villan For Life on January 31, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
Bairstow behind the stumps, presumably Foakes got injured when he got out?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Bruised hand.
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Post by: Newby on January 31, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Broad looks up for it.  Bowling well but the Windies standing firm at the moment. 
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Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2019, 09:41:50 PM
Another terrific day for the Windies.  Getting through that final session is a massive plus for them.
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Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2019, 10:14:24 PM
Dread to think what Holding, Marshall, Garner, Roberts, Ambrose, Walsh et al would have done to a batting lineup on that wicket.

That ball to Root was completely unplayable
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2019, 11:35:58 PM
It's only a a difficult wicket if we get them out cheaply.
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Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2019, 12:06:59 AM
The wicket did seem to flatten out a bit after lunch, by the time moeenand foakes were together there was a lot less venom. Disappointex we didn't get a couple by the end, i thought we bowled well enough to earn them. We need an early breakthrough tomorrow now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 01, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
It's nice to be able to watch the cricket when we get home from work. Why did we not force America and Canada to play cricket instead of teaching those stupid timezone Aussies?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
Our score is not looking very clever.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
Really poor in both these games so far.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2019, 12:21:09 PM
Really poor in both these games so far.

Absolutely Paul, but the problems have been around for much longer.  We simply havenít been able to score big enough totals anywhere near often enough and our bowlers just donít carry the same threat away from home when the ball isnít swinging. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 12:33:26 PM
It comes down to the top end batsmen for the most part. Other than Root, who in the top order consistently gets runs? I canít think of any.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
Good to see the top order showing that much vaunted Ďcharacterí.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
Garbage.
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Post by: paul_e on February 02, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
Fucking awful display, top order is a fucking mess and Root has to be included in that right now. Good delivery to get him today but he really needs to start making scores and holding things together.
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Post by: UK Redsox on February 02, 2019, 08:00:55 PM
All over soon
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
Yep and theyíve got fuck all ability to stick in there like Bravo did. Iíd drop Butler or Bairstow to make a point. Iíd also demote Stokes to 7.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 02, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
Special credit to Alzarri Joseph for his performance today
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Post by: UK Redsox on February 02, 2019, 08:14:36 PM
Good catch by Joseph to end the England innings
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 08:18:44 PM
Fair play to Joseph. Real courage. Well played Windies, exceptional.

England, fucking abject. Iím still angered by Bairstowís reaction to his 100 in SL, because it suggested too much entitlement in the squad. This batting line up is fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 02, 2019, 08:34:55 PM
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Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 08:35:57 PM
Even that last review was fucking embarrassing.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
These are two of the worst displays Iíve ever seen by England. Truly diabolical.

West Indies - really pleased for them and I hope they can use this as a platform.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on February 02, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
Agree with everything that has been said about England, but full credit to the Windies a superb performance under the excellent captaincy of Jason Holder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 02, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
That was embarrassing. Several of them should hang their heads in shame.  I know away tours are tough but we have very badly let ourselves down here.  Giles needs to kick Bayliss out and sack those who think playing a part time bunch as a warm up for three back to back tests. Iím really unimpressed but fair play to the West Indies.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
These are two of the worst displays Iíve ever seen by England. Truly diabolical.

West Indies - really pleased for them and I hope they can use this as a platform.

It's just like 1980s. Tony Greig will make them grovel era back on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on February 02, 2019, 09:22:11 PM
Another abject and frankly arrogant performance from an England team that I'm really struggling to like. They've underestimated their opponents to a level bordering on disrespect. They didn't prepare properly, they haven't applied themselves and they haven't learn from their mistakes. They've got exactly what they deserved.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2019, 09:57:00 PM
Agree with everything that has been said about England, but full credit to the Windies a superb performance under the excellent captaincy of Jason Holder.

Yep, terrible stuff from England.  Some the shots to get out were pretty embarrassing. 

On the other hand, hopefully this can be a real springboard for the West Indies and they build on this series so far.
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Post by: Rory Christopher on February 03, 2019, 01:19:40 AM
Another abject and frankly arrogant performance from an England team that I'm really struggling to like. They've underestimated their opponents to a level bordering on disrespect. They didn't prepare properly, they haven't applied themselves and they haven't learn from their mistakes. They've got exactly what they deserved.

I think you have it bang on when you say you're struggling to like them. I feel the same.

Gone are the days when every lost test felt like a punch to the stomach - my initial reaction these days is 'those bastards have let us down again'.

But as most have said, fair play to WI, they've thoroughly outplayed us and, unless we really up our game in the next test, deserve the whitewash.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 03, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
In the good old days, we could respond to crushing defeats by simply dropping Ian Bell at the behest of the London press. (Bell, even now, is better than some of those who have taken his place).

What happens now, who knows?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
This England team has far too many "all rounders" and that makes the top 6 a very poor international class line up. All rounders by it's very nature are adequate batsmen and adequate bowlers at international level. This is not what's required. The top 5 batsmen MUST be pure batters and absolutely world class. Currently not even Joe Root can be classed as that. Furthermore Root has proved to be a very poor captain. And next time please don't go to play another international team and treat it as preparation for Ashes series. This has happened too often and must stop. Due respect must be given.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
Saw on Twitter this morning somebody arguing for an "Iain Bell type".
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 04, 2019, 12:31:51 AM
This England team has far too many "all rounders" and that makes the top 6 a very poor international class line up. All rounders by it's very nature are adequate batsmen and adequate bowlers at international level. This is not what's required. The top 5 batsmen MUST be pure batters and absolutely world class. Currently not even Joe Root can be classed as that. Furthermore Root has proved to be a very poor captain. And next time please don't go to play another international team and treat it as preparation for Ashes series. This has happened too often and must stop. Due respect must be given.

Root aside, we haven't got any world class top five batsmen and that is the problem.  One by one, Strauss, Trott, Pietersen, Bell and Cook have gone and only Root has come in to the side in that period who is anywhere near the same kind of quality. 

This isn't just a blip now, it's a serious problem and we need a rethink about test cricket.  Broad and Anderson won't go on much longer so the whole set up needs to be addressed. 

The thing that concerns me is that I just can't see where the replacements are coming from in the county game.  Burns has one of the best recent records in county cricket, yet has struggled so far. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on February 04, 2019, 09:16:04 AM
I can't see how test standard batsmen can come out of the county game when 4 dayers are shoved into April May and September. The ECB are only really interested in domestic one day cricket which is why we now have such a strong ODI side but very limited options for test batsmen. The current Top 3 options of Burns Jennings Denly Bairstow are abysmal.
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Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2019, 10:27:42 AM
I can't see how test standard batsmen can come out of the county game when 4 dayers are shoved into April May and September. The ECB are only really interested in domestic one day cricket which is why we now have such a strong ODI side but very limited options for test batsmen. The current Top 3 options of Burns Jennings Denly Bairstow are abysmal.

The thing is Burns has done brilliantly in 4day cricket for a few years. The issue, for me, is that our players rarely experience other conditions unless they play for England or if they get a Big Bash or IPL contract. We need to find ways of getting a lot more batsmen exposed to other conditions early in their career. I'd be looking at having 'youth' and B team tours be a much more regular thing and playing 5 day games regularly, I'd also have a clear progression through and stagger the tours so the Senior team is playing in conditions that the B team faced a year earlier. That way you'll have 13-14 players with recent experience in that environment.
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Post by: Gareth on February 04, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
It seems to me that outside of the tests there are no warm up games that are meaningful & Lions tours donít seem to have any intensity so why not instead have the Lions in West Indies also for the two weeks before 1st test and play 2x4 day games AvB?? Surely the intensity will be there from Lions to want to prove themselves and work over the established players??

You do wonder if the young batsmen today see test cricket as the ultimate or whether they are focussed on the flashy stuff to get IPL or BBL £?  We at Worcester have had Joe Clarke over the last few years (before he left to play for a test ground county) & he seems to have gone on 4/5 Lions trips (until excluded for current one after selection for his links to the Hepburn case) yet has not been called up for the main squad once - is it too cosy? Are they challenged enough to be smashing the doors down to be selected? 

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Post by: UK Redsox on February 04, 2019, 12:25:03 PM
Some interesting points in this article, especially regarding Hameed

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/04/england-five-point-plan-recovery
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Post by: Newby on February 05, 2019, 08:14:29 PM
It seems to me that outside of the tests there are no warm up games that are meaningful & Lions tours donít seem to have any intensity so why not instead have the Lions in West Indies also for the two weeks before 1st test and play 2x4 day games AvB?? Surely the intensity will be there from Lions to want to prove themselves and work over the established players??

You do wonder if the young batsmen today see test cricket as the ultimate or whether they are focussed on the flashy stuff to get IPL or BBL £?  We at Worcester have had Joe Clarke over the last few years (before he left to play for a test ground county) & he seems to have gone on 4/5 Lions trips (until excluded for current one after selection for his links to the Hepburn case) yet has not been called up for the main squad once - is it too cosy? Are they challenged enough to be smashing the doors down to be selected? 



I think this is a really good point Gareth.  I'd like to see them in and around the England dressing room, taken on tours and playing in the warm up games, even if we know that they are not up to Test standard as yet.  A bit like letting a kid train with the first team squad at Villa.  The Lions is great too, but let them sample the real thing and serve an apprenticeship. 
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Post by: Villan For Life on February 07, 2019, 07:14:37 AM
I hope they begin to play with some determination and application in the next test. There are two tests before the Ashes kicks off in August. On current form that is a massive  concern.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 08, 2019, 06:58:40 PM
Foakes dropped because the top of the order are crap.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
Bairstow has put him self under a lot of pressure as well following the reaction in Sri Lanka.

I feel like our selection is very reactive at the moment. Assuming Bairstow drops down the order thatís another number 3 gone.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2019, 12:20:46 AM
Bairstow has put him self under a lot of pressure as well following the reaction in Sri Lanka.

I feel like our selection is very reactive at the moment. Assuming Bairstow drops down the order thatís another number 3 gone.

Just saw an interview with Mike Atherton and Nasser Hussain.  Atherton was saying that he thinks Jennings will open and Denly will bat at three and then it will be Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Wood, Broad and Anderson. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 07:40:01 AM
If Stokes is in as a pure batsman he needs to up his game.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 05:51:44 PM
3 down for less than 100 again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 09, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
3 down for less than 100 again.

A top three of Burns, Jennings and Denly doesnít fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 09, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
Really need Hameed to start the season well
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Post by: Villan For Life on February 09, 2019, 07:55:35 PM
Really need Hameed to start the season well

Heís been awful for the last three seasons and in the 2018 county season he scored 165 runs in 17 innings. I think that the pressure and level of expectation has got to him and his game has disintegrated.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 09, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
3 down for less than 100 again.

A top three of Burns, Jennings and Denly doesnít fill me with confidence.

I'm willing to give Burns and Denly a few more games, Jennings has shown over and over again that he's rubbish against pace, Australia will eat him up.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 09:00:35 PM
Better effort this.
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Post by: paul_e on February 09, 2019, 09:05:47 PM
This has been an excellent spell by Stokes and Buttler. On this pitch i reckon 300 would be a very good score, with an hour to go and a set pair we'll be looking at 240-250 by the close and then bat until lunch.
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Post by: paul_e on February 09, 2019, 09:06:56 PM
Fuck sake, he took the shot as the post was saving.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 09:16:15 PM
Post must have known something!
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Post by: paul_e on February 09, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
Doesn't matter. Never seen them have to call somone back from the dressing room though, that's an interesting change.
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Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 09:26:20 PM
Foakes dropped because the top of the order are crap.
It's the cricket version of subbing  the young right back when things are going pear shape.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 09:27:54 PM
Fuck sake, he took the shot as the post was saving.
Saved by the Post.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on February 09, 2019, 09:55:47 PM
Jennings is absolute shite. Simply not good enough.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 10:00:12 PM
That is the way to play Test cricket, when itís tough try and dig in.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
It's a dead rubber in the series, so hard to measure really I suppose, but that is a much better day from England.  David Lloyd made the point in commentary that the batting line up looks more balanced with Buttler at five, Stokes at six and Bairstow at seven. 

Point just made in the studio that although Burns and Denly didn't make a lot of runs, they did a decent job sticking it out in the early stages.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 09, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
tom I think your suggested 5, 6 and 7 are fine in Test arena providing 3 and 4 are absolutely world class nail hard batters. Root is ok but need someone else there at 3.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 09, 2019, 10:20:51 PM
Root must be concerned about his diminishing test average since he's been captain.  Dropped from 53 to 42 apparently.

Better day for England but I guess we will find out a bit more when we bowl.
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Post by: paul_e on February 09, 2019, 10:22:21 PM
It's a dead rubber in the series, so hard to measure really I suppose, but that is a much better day from England.  David Lloyd made the point in commentary that the batting line up looks more balanced with Buttler at five, Stokes at six and Bairstow at seven. 

Point just made in the studio that although Burns and Denly didn't make a lot of runs, they did a decent job sticking it out in the early stages.

That's always been my stance with the top 3, I don't care if you average 20 or 50 so long as you're regularly there until at least 5-10 overs after lunch, that's the job, get it right with any consistency and 4-8 will score the runs against tiring bowlers with a soft ball, today was almost textbook other than Root who really should've been looking to cash in but the pressure on him has just ground him down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 11:01:02 PM
Root is a concern, heís a super bat but heís been falling over the front pad for a while.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2019, 12:55:46 AM
Root is a concern, heís a super bat but heís been falling over the front pad for a while.

Agree Paul.  Ideally he would step up and take on the challenge of batting at 3, but he is seemingly unwilling to do it.  I think it would solve some problems for us, but doesn't look likely. 
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 10, 2019, 03:40:11 PM
That went well then.
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Post by: Newby on February 10, 2019, 03:44:43 PM
That went well then.

Yet another collapse and we still haven't made 300 on this tour.  I'm looking forward to seeing Mark Wood bowl on this surface though.  277 might be competitive enough but I'd have preferred another 50 or so.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
We needed Buttler to last another 6-7 overs and get them on the back foot.

I still think that's a pretty competitive score though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on February 10, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
How many times does Bairstow get cleaned up and Ali throw away his wicket. Really really poor again from Englands batting wimps.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Another poor day in the offing here.
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Post by: Newby on February 10, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
Windies are making the wicket look easy to bat on.  Another really solid start for them with the bat, laying the foundations that our lot couldn't.  Just as I write, a wicket for Moeen, more from luck that good bowling though.  Still, we will take it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
2 in 2, massive wickets, the 2nd is a beauty.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 10, 2019, 06:24:54 PM
Mark Wood is a great bowler, if he could stay fit heíd be an automatic pick for me. Raw pace on Caribbean pitches is difficult to play.

Another hat trick ball to come.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 10, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
Where the hell has Mark Wood been?  I hope he can stay fit as him and Ollie Stone could be the replacements for the old boys in Jimmy and Broad.  Makes a mockery of the decision to go with Curran in the first test, unless England thought he needed to get up to the right fitness levels.  We have needed a bowler or two with real pace.   It feels much better now but what a shame the series has already gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 10, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Itís ironic really. Wood was called up as replacement for Olly Stone and now has 3-12.

Maybe Stone would have played in this test but conjecture doesnít win tests. Still 74-5 at tea is good and highlights how we have missed raw pace in the first two tests.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 10, 2019, 07:02:36 PM
Woods spell before tea is something not seen from an English bowler for a hell of a long time. Bowling at 92-95 mph consistently has to be the aim for him though.

There has been far too many false dawns in terms off fast english bowlers over recent years. (Plunkett, Finn, Wood himself etc)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:11:16 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 10, 2019, 07:18:41 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.

Completely agree but I canít see our batsmen scoring enough runs for a hungry attack with pace to be able to dominate. Unless we win win every toss and ask the opposite bat!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2019, 07:23:11 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.

Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home.  I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.

Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home.  I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.

If Curran was low 80s I'd be less concerned, that's roughly where Anderson is and he's found a way to be effective all over the world, getting down to mid 70s is the problem. I'm just glad that the inevitable tough series has come now rather than during the ashes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2019, 08:32:58 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.

Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home.  I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.

If Curran was low 80s I'd be less concerned, that's roughly where Anderson is and he's found a way to be effective all over the world, getting down to mid 70s is the problem. I'm just glad that the inevitable tough series has come now rather than during the ashes.

I really don't worry about us too much at home Paul.  I think even Anderson doesn't look anywhere near the same threat away from home.  So done like Woakes bowls in the 80's, but again just doesn't really carry too much of a threat away.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2019, 08:36:49 PM
I said Wood needed a big game and fair play heís turned up and made a big difference. Real pace.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on February 10, 2019, 08:42:28 PM
A five wicket haul for Woods, WI all out for 154.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 10, 2019, 08:50:38 PM
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.

Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.

Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home.  I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.

If Curran was low 80s I'd be less concerned, that's roughly where Anderson is and he's found a way to be effective all over the world, getting down to mid 70s is the problem. I'm just glad that the inevitable tough series has come now rather than during the ashes.

I really don't worry about us too much at home Paul.  I think even Anderson doesn't look anywhere near the same threat away from home.  So done like Woakes bowls in the 80's, but again just doesn't really carry too much of a threat away.

Whilst Anderson isnt the same threat away from home, he is still a high class performer in most conditions.

The very minimum you will get from him away from home is excellent control.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
Whilst Anderson isnt the same threat away from home, he is still a high class performer in most conditions.

The very minimum you will get from him away from home is excellent control.

Yep, his pace and line are solid enough that even in conditions that don't suit him he can be effective (in some way). Curran has shown in this series that he can't and his pace is a big part of that for me because that extra bit makes a huge difference, at the moment batsmen on wickets where he's not getting much swing can pick the delivery and adjust too easily.

I still think he's a fantastic prospect and would keep him around the squad but he really needs to work out how to deal with this. If he can't add pace he needs to look at what he wants to be and probably work on becoming a batting all rounder so he can move to 5/6 in the order (longer term).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on February 10, 2019, 10:12:56 PM
Looking ahead how about this team for the WC :

Hales
Roy
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Stone

Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 10, 2019, 11:55:28 PM
Looking ahead how about this team for the WC :

Hales
Roy
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Stone

Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !

In a WC at home there is no chance that Root is going to be rested. He averages over 51 in that form of the game, and at present, he himself is probably a better limited over than test cricketer.

I think the fact he doesn't captain the ODI side is almost like a rest to him anyway.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: DB on February 11, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
Nice to see a big Black Country Villa flag at the ground
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 11, 2019, 07:59:01 PM
Nice to see a big Black Country Villa flag at the ground

There a Kent Villa flag too, plus a large St. George Villa flag. Great to see.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 11, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
Finally we bat with some application. Pity the series has already gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
Winning the WC is priority over Ashes. Win that and Ashes will probably follow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 12, 2019, 03:13:24 PM
Looking ahead how about this team for the WC :

Hales
Roy
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Stone

Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !

In a WC at home there is no chance that Root is going to be rested. He averages over 51 in that form of the game, and at present, he himself is probably a better limited over than test cricketer.

I think the fact he doesn't captain the ODI side is almost like a rest to him anyway.

Vaughan and Cook were on Five Live last night and both were saying that Root is a key part of the ODI side and is the glue which allows the others to go out and attack.  He will almost certainly bat three in the World Cup and the opening partnership will be two of Bairstow, Roy or Hales.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2019, 03:16:56 PM
Looking ahead how about this team for the WC :

Hales
Roy
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Stone

Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !

In a WC at home there is no chance that Root is going to be rested. He averages over 51 in that form of the game, and at present, he himself is probably a better limited over than test cricketer.

I think the fact he doesn't captain the ODI side is almost like a rest to him anyway.

Vaughan and Cook were on Five Live last night and both were saying that Root is a key part of the ODI side and is the glue which allows the others to go out and attack.  He will almost certainly bat three in the World Cup and the opening partnership will be two of Bairstow, Roy or Hales.

Yeah my thinking too.

Would love to see a WC team line up something like:

Roy
Bairstow
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Joffra Archer
Rashid
Wood
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 12, 2019, 10:21:22 PM
A pleasing and comprehensive win but all the more mystifying that we didn't warm up properly prior to the tests.  We cannot be so complacent against the Aussies, good job we are halfway through the championship campaign by the time it kicks off as we'd be undercooked again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on February 13, 2019, 12:27:44 AM
A pleasing and comprehensive win but all the more mystifying that we didn't warm up properly prior to the tests.  We cannot be so complacent against the Aussies, good job we are halfway through the championship campaign by the time it kicks off as we'd be undercooked again.

A frustrating series in that it seems we are no further forward in solving our problems really.  Positions 4-11 are fine and we have reasonable depth there.  The top three positions in the order are still unsettled, however, and we don't look any closer to finding an answer.

I watch the debate on SKY after the play and almost they call on there for Root to move to number three.  I guess it might solve some of our issues if he did, but he doesn't seem willing to even entertain the idea anymore.   

Anyway, that's test match cricket on the shelf until the latter part of the summer now and focus begins on preparing for the World Cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 13, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Gabriel banned for four ODIs. However, this is due to the totting-up system. ICC have not specifically commented on his homophobic slur
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 16, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
One of the great Test innings by Kusal Perera to win Sri Lanka the first Test against South Africa at Durban.  The keeper scored 153 not out, putting on 78 with the number eleven, against an attack featuring Steyn, Philander, Rabada and Maharaj.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 16, 2019, 08:29:32 PM
Itís a hell of an effort that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 16, 2019, 08:36:39 PM
Farbrace is a loss before the World Cup. I worry about that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 20, 2019, 03:04:24 PM

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Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2019, 05:49:38 PM
Iíd say Jofra Archerís chances of playing in the World Cup are going up rapidly.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: four fornicholl on February 20, 2019, 06:16:52 PM
I'd say Englands chance in this is slim to nil.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on February 20, 2019, 06:22:44 PM
Fair play to Gayle, so far 124no with 11 sixes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 20, 2019, 06:50:46 PM
Six balls have disappeared. Hit out of the ground by Gayle and co.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on February 20, 2019, 07:01:19 PM
A paltry 361 needed to win  :o
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 20, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
A paltry 361 needed to win  :o

361 is not far off par in ODIs now. 90/0 after 10 and a bit overs in response shows that this isn't a safe total at all, i reckon this will be pretty close unless something amazing happens.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
Well done Roy, now keep going.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
Youíd think Roy must be in with a shout of Test opener.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 20, 2019, 10:18:25 PM
This could be a great win.

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Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 20, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
Brilliant performance, 361 never, to me, felt too much for us, the pitch was flat and we've got a lot of quality in this format, it just needed us to build a couple of big patnerships. To win that with the best 'finisher' in the world only making 1 shot is even more impressive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
Itís remarkable that England make a 361 chase look fairly comfortable. I just hope they can translate it into the World Cup they truly deserve.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2019, 01:27:47 AM
A great win but West Indies bowling and fielding was an embarrassment. Roy is a deceptive destroyer totally opposite to Gayle but equally effective.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 21, 2019, 07:54:28 AM
I really like this side. We have so many players who can influence and decide a game.

I do feel that the white ball game is too heavily influenced in favour of the batsman but credit to Morgan and the bowlers who didnít panic when under pressure from the boundary count, 44 boundaries is incredible hitting. If Gayle had stayed fit theyíd have easily scored 400, as it was he didnít run that many. Contrast that with Root who played a classic nudger and nurdler innings. He scored just 9 boundaries yet still scored 102 off 97 balls.

More of the same tomorrow please!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on February 21, 2019, 08:00:22 AM
Chris Gayle scored 100 in 100 balls.
Jason Roy scored 100 in 65 balls.

That is some phenomenal innings by Roy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 21, 2019, 08:04:40 AM
Chris Gayle scored 100 in 100 balls.
Jason Roy scored 100 in 65 balls.

That is some phenomenal innings by Roy.

It was but when you consider that it took Gayle 79 balls to get to his 50 then both innings are quite remarkable in their quality and dominance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on February 21, 2019, 08:22:55 AM
They are VFL, the difference is that England had a whole bunch of players who could support Roy.

A great start to the one day series.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on February 21, 2019, 08:29:36 AM
Chris Gayle scored 100 in 100 balls.
Jason Roy scored 100 in 65 balls.

That is some phenomenal innings by Roy.

It was but when you consider that it took Gayle 79 balls to get to his 50 then both innings are quite remarkable in their quality and dominance.

True but you need to balance it with the runs Gayle conceded due to his inept fielding.

Edit: Itís also true that Roy dropped Gayle early on too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on February 21, 2019, 08:31:05 AM
Chris Gayle scored 100 in 100 balls.
Jason Roy scored 100 in 65 balls.

That is some phenomenal innings by Roy.

It was but when you consider that it took Gayle 79 balls to get to his 50 then both innings are quite remarkable in their quality and dominance.

True but you need to balance it with the runs Gayle conceded due to his inept fielding.
And the twoís he ignored.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 21, 2019, 09:39:04 AM
Chris Gayle scored 100 in 100 balls.
Jason Roy scored 100 in 65 balls.

That is some phenomenal innings by Roy.

It was but when you consider that it took Gayle 79 balls to get to his 50 then both innings are quite remarkable in their quality and dominance.

True but you need to balance it with the runs Gayle conceded due to his inept fielding.
And the twoís he ignored.

He couldnít run so the singles and twos that he missed isnít surprising. I think his influence in the West Indies is such that no-one dare argue with him and in a strange way I suspect that their one day side will be better off without him.

Clearly they need to replace his runs but they seem to be making progress.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 21, 2019, 07:13:13 PM
Cracking game to start the series.  Great to watch and to win with over an over in hand is the sign of a good win.  Pleased for Roy.  Be great to see him come in to the test squad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
The feeling that it was never in doubt is the big difference.

Power hitters up top and an ability to constantly nurdle singles and twos with Root. It's very well balanced.

We have bowlers that can take wickets at any point of an innings too. If we don't win this world cup, we never will.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 22, 2019, 04:09:38 PM
Christopher Henry again going big for fans in the ground. The man is pure entertainment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 22, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Well done Rashid. Great ball. Heís been good since he came on. Slowed them right down and got Gayle as reward.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on February 22, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
India v Pakistan World Cup game in doubt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47329504
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 22, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
India can fuck off. Not only should they be forced to play Pakistan at the World Cup, they should be forced to play them in test cricket, or be kicked out.

England played Ireland at rugby within weeks of the Pub Bombings. Because they recognised that it was nothing to with sport, and neither is this.

Watching the Windies England game, this Hetmyer looks a prospect. Hopefully he actually carries on playing international cricket and isn't lost to the money game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 22, 2019, 08:03:37 PM
The entire ground including England fans (70% of crowd) wished Hetmyer on to get his 100 and celebrated when he did.

And yes India can fuck off. If they donít want to play that game they can stay where they are. ICC need to grow a pair.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 23, 2019, 12:02:47 AM
Well Stokes arrogance sure cost us that match. We were ideally placed needing something like 61 off 60 and he reviews a caught behind which was clearly out. Curran comes in and is LBW to a ball that was going down the leg but could not review. After that, once Buttler was out it was game over.

Stokes is like Broad with reviews, in his own mind heís never out or in Broadís case the batsman was definitely out. Itís a waste and impacts on the team as a whole.

I do like Hetmyer though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on February 23, 2019, 06:28:55 AM
Why was Chris Woakes omitted? He did ok in the first game which England won. Surely a better option than Curran?  Unless he's injured?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 23, 2019, 08:13:19 AM
Why was Chris Woakes omitted? He did ok in the first game which England won. Surely a better option than Curran?  Unless he's injured?

He was rested. From what Morgan said at the toss theyíre wrapping him in cotton wool. In other words heís an important player but too injury prone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 23, 2019, 09:03:21 AM
That was a poor slump, and a warning for the World Cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 23, 2019, 09:50:57 AM
Oh and agree on India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2019, 01:30:17 PM
Itís looking good for some cricket today and the Royal Grenadian Police Force are doing a grand job.
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Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 02:01:18 PM
39/0 after 5 - Hales in for Roy today
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 02:16:41 PM
70/0 after 9

50 up for Bairstow, in no small part thanks to 3 consecutive 6s off Bishoo.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 04:45:41 PM
England onto 300/3 off 42

Hales got 82
Root went cheaply
Morgan 93* (80)
Buttler 59* (47)

Morgan has just smashed a Holder over for 21.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
This is brutal stuff, I think we might set yet another run-fest record.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
It's actually getting pretty uncomfortable to watch, the West Indian attack are utterly shell-shocked right now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
I think that theyíve bowled poorly throughout the innings.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 04:59:28 PM
Morgan 93* (80)
Buttler 59* (47)

To give context to the spell from Buttler here he's now:

98* (57)

39 runs from 10 deliveries!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 05:29:57 PM
Buttler gone for 150 (from 77), probably the best ODI innings ever, absolutely spectacular.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 05:45:27 PM
Well that was bonkers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 05:52:24 PM
Buttler gone for 150 (from 77), probably the best ODI innings ever, absolutely spectacular.

A marvellous innings but not the best ever. Viv Richards scored 189 off 170 balls v England at Old Trafford in 1984. The Windies were 98-6 and 166-9, he added 106 for the 10th wicket with Michael Holding. They scored 272-9.

Given how one day cricket was played back then I think his innings is easily the best.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16906/scorecard/64976/england-vs-west-indies-1st-odi-west-indies-tour-of-england-1984

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 06:29:11 PM
Buttler gone for 150 (from 77), probably the best ODI innings ever, absolutely spectacular.

A marvellous innings but not the best ever. Viv Richards scored 189 off 170 balls v England at Old Trafford in 1984. The Windies were 98-6 and 166-9, he added 106 for the 10th wicket with Michael Holding. They scored 272-9.

Given how one day cricket was played back then I think his innings is easily the best.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16906/scorecard/64976/england-vs-west-indies-1st-odi-west-indies-tour-of-england-1984

Ok, but it's certainly in the discussion, 54 runs from 11 balls in the middle was spectacular though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Well that was good and almost embarrassing for Windies but fair play to their fans full of enthusiasm till the final ball total support for the team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
Buttler gone for 150 (from 77), probably the best ODI innings ever, absolutely spectacular.

A marvellous innings but not the best ever. Viv Richards scored 189 off 170 balls v England at Old Trafford in 1984. The Windies were 98-6 and 166-9, he added 106 for the 10th wicket with Michael Holding. They scored 272-9.

Given how one day cricket was played back then I think his innings is easily the best.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16906/scorecard/64976/england-vs-west-indies-1st-odi-west-indies-tour-of-england-1984

Ok, but it's certainly in the discussion, 54 runs from 11 balls in the middle was spectacular though.

Iím slightly biased because Sir Viv is my favourite player of all time.

Itís always difficult to compare different eras objectively but in the context of the modern game Buttlerís innings was ferocious.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 07:00:25 PM
Good grief our bowlers are getting marmalised at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 07:16:54 PM
Heís normally good, but when the wheels fall off for Stokes they really fall off.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 07:40:51 PM
Woakes is having a bloody nightmare too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2019, 07:47:21 PM
Hmmm...absolutely abysmal bowling. However terrific atmosphere.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
This pitch is looking very much like it's a good one for the big hitters.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 08:09:22 PM
Those couple of wickets will certainly help us!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2019, 08:48:13 PM
BOWLED HIM! Universe Boss goes for 162. Game turning wicket there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2019, 08:50:03 PM
This pitch is looking very much like it's a good one for the big hitters.
Pitch is placid and boundary is set about 30 yards in from the stadium wall. However most of the hits from Buttler/Gayle etc ended up in higher tier seats.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
Somehow we are clawing our way back into this. You have to admire the bowlerís collective resilience.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
Rashid back in now Gayle has gone and will wrap this up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:19:01 PM
Now that the slog fest appears to be over this is heading for an interesting finish where either side could win.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:21:51 PM
Rashid back in now Gayle has gone and will wrap this up.

His airy fairy shit buffet bowling gets on my fucking tits. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:25:32 PM
Rashid back in now Gayle has gone and will wrap this up.

His airy fairy shit buffet bowling gets on my fucking tits. 

Thatís a bit harsh!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:28:13 PM
Our ground fielding has been poor today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:29:26 PM
Our fielding has been terrible today too.

Rashid has been awful today. Wood and Plunkett seem to have some control but every one else has been poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:33:00 PM
My God, are our fielders pissed? Two full tosses in an over from Woakes. Jesus, this is wank.  We need wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 09:36:33 PM
Our fielding has been really poor. Itís been a bang average performance in the field, Wood excepted.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 09:37:43 PM
Woakes has been absolutely shocking for the majority of today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:41:19 PM
We score 418 runs.  We should be able to defend that and yet the odds are with the Windies.  Fuck Stokes has just dropped a catch. Elbow ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:42:02 PM
Wicket!  Dot ball probably just as valuable.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:43:31 PM
Two in two.  Suddenly the pudding chucker is a hero!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:44:26 PM
We score 418 runs.  We should be able to defend that and yet the odds are with the Windies.  Fuck Stokes has just dropped a catch. Elbow ball.

I disagree. The game is so heavily weighted in favour of the batsmen that virtually any total is gettable.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:46:36 PM
And Rashid shows the value of his wrist spinners with 3 wickets in 4 balls. Thatís why heís in the team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2019, 09:47:05 PM
3 wickets in 4 balls to all but finish it off.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:47:22 PM
We score 418 runs.  We should be able to defend that and yet the odds are with the Windies.  Fuck Stokes has just dropped a catch. Elbow ball.

I disagree. The game is so heavily weighted in favour of the batsmen that virtually any total is gettable.

Nah. I respectfully disagree.  England are likely to win this now thanks to those three wickets in the one over, but let's be honest, our bowling has been terrible other than Wood and Plunkett, our fielding today has been very poor.   Bloody hell, we win as I type.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Make that 4 in 5
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
Make that game over. Astonishing game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2019, 09:48:28 PM
Rashid has come up big time here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:49:36 PM
Bowling against the tailenders!!  Where is Rashid when it comes to getting the Gayle's out?  Fair play for him getting a five for though, but Christ he does bowl some shit.

I presume that this is the highest scoring aggregate game in history?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:50:29 PM
We score 418 runs.  We should be able to defend that and yet the odds are with the Windies.  Fuck Stokes has just dropped a catch. Elbow ball.

I disagree. The game is so heavily weighted in favour of the batsmen that virtually any total is gettable.

Nah. I respectfully disagree.  England are likely to win this now thanks to those three wickets in the one over, but let's be honest, our bowling has been terrible other than Wood and Plunkett, our fielding today has been very poor.   Bloody hell, we win as I type.

White ball cricket has become slog versus slog. The quality of your bowling attack is irrelevant when powerful batman can hit six after six after six. Iíd rather see an even contest between bat and ball than a slog fest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 09:53:44 PM
Very true VFL, totally agree.  I'm probably wrong about Rashid too to be fair.  Taking five in a one dayer is great.  I just think he's a very lucky bowler and the only reason he was on is because Morgan had no choice but to bring Wood on earlier to try to get a grip of the batters, and was therefore left with little option.  That said, Rashid did the business by making the late order batters make rash shots and they paid the price.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
Very true VFL, totally agree.  I'm probably wrong about Rashid too to be fair.  Taking five in a one dayer is great.  I just think he's a very lucky bowler and the only reason he was on is because Morgan had no choice but to bring Wood on earlier to try to get a grip of the batters, and was therefore left with little option.  That said, Rashid did the business by making the late order batters make rash shots and they paid the price.

The best players have luck on their side, they make things happen. What I enjoyed most tonight was how they didnít let their heads drop and as a bowling unit did enough to win.

When youíre up against it you need players to stand up and take responsibility. Wood and Rashid did just that and we have several players who can do just the same.

Itís rare for Stokes and Woakes to be off form together and other players stepped up and take the burden.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 10:03:20 PM
That's really positive and bodes well for the World Cup.  It is very unusual that we field poorly, really rare.  We won! Hope we win the last game too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hipkiss92 on February 27, 2019, 10:04:08 PM
Bowling against the tailenders!!  Where is Rashid when it comes to getting the Gayle's out?  Fair play for him getting a five for though, but Christ he does bowl some shit.

I presume that this is the highest scoring aggregate game in history?

Think the Aus SA game in Joburg still holds that record
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 27, 2019, 10:07:20 PM
Bowling against the tailenders!!  Where is Rashid when it comes to getting the Gayle's out?  Fair play for him getting a five for though, but Christ he does bowl some shit.

I presume that this is the highest scoring aggregate game in history?

Think the Aus SA game in Joburg still holds that record

Thanks mate.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 27, 2019, 10:08:23 PM
46 sixes is astonishing
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on February 28, 2019, 06:58:30 AM
A few of the stats from last night, taken from BBC Sport.


(https://i.ibb.co/br6jJtt/3-D0-C8-E8-C-5-C81-44-AE-9-DA8-C319-CE709-B35.jpg) (https://ibb.co/br6jJtt)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on February 28, 2019, 07:23:28 PM
Some amazing stats on that. 15 balls to go from 51 to a ton! And yet, only the third highest scoring game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2019, 07:52:50 PM
Some amazing stats on that. 15 balls to go from 51 to a ton! And yet, only the third highest scoring game.

It doesn't quite line up with the milestones but the Buttler innings contain a 13 ball streak of:

6 4 4 4 4 6 4 4 6 6 1 0 4

that's 53 from 13 balls.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2019, 02:42:50 PM
St Lucia today. Certainly the prettiest ground so far letís hope rain keeps away.
(https://i.ibb.co/3cbNQc8/246-AC12-F-6742-4927-9579-1161-FCFC75-E1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3cbNQc8)

(https://i.ibb.co/xLnQ1Tx/51-CBA339-8514-4-DD9-9-C84-370-B8-A23-A488.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xLnQ1Tx)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2019, 04:37:21 PM
Our standard shite batting display here then.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
Bloody hell Moeen.  Crap shot.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2019, 05:00:06 PM
This is a different pitch. Fast and moving all so itís been tough and so far England have not coped wit it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
Oh dear.  Woakes has had a series to forget.  Let's hope he makes up for it with the ball.  We need a total here, not looking good at the moment.  Nearly another wicket there too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2019, 05:09:50 PM
Brainless stuff, terrible.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on March 02, 2019, 05:17:29 PM
Not good at all.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
113 in just 28 overs.  Dreadful performance.  Nowhere near a good enough total to defend either.  Even is we had got to 150 I might be a tad more optimistic. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2019, 05:24:59 PM
This is why weíll more than likely blow it in the World Cup. If conditions donít suit we do not adapt. Terrible performance, absolutely awful.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
No ball for Gayle's wicket.  Seems a bit harsh, especially as he chose to walk towards the ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
Jeez.  Windies are 40 for nowt off just 3 overs.  What a game to forget here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2019, 05:48:41 PM
No ball for Gayle's wicket.  Seems a bit harsh, especially as he chose to walk towards the ball.
Bad rule. He stepped forward and tried to hit it for six and got caught the boundary. Thatís out.☹️
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:52:07 PM
No ball for Gayle's wicket.  Seems a bit harsh, especially as he chose to walk towards the ball.
Bad rule. He stepped forward and tried to hit it for six and got caught the boundary. Thatís out.☹️

Absolutely.

I hope England manage to keep Mark Wood fit for the Ashes series.  Quality bowler.  I am looking forward to seeing him and Ollie Stone working together.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 02, 2019, 05:53:31 PM
How unlucky is Woakes?  Another one turned down.  Though always looked just a tad high if it hits the top of the knee roll.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2019, 05:54:29 PM
Woakes has had an absolute nightmare in these last two games.

The tour has been way below par from England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 02, 2019, 05:56:09 PM
Oh well, at least they saved the worst performance for when I'm busy at the football.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2019, 06:17:35 PM
Weíre still far too mentally weak when thinks go against us.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 12:21:00 PM
Good news that Archer looks likely to be called up pre-World Cup

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47435883

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 04, 2019, 01:25:30 PM
Good news that Archer looks likely to be called up pre-World Cup

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47435883



Yep, Bit of a no brainer really. Our bowling attack needs that extra wicket taking ability.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 05, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
Windies' fielding has been laughable, but well done Bairstow.

Is the next one not on telly? Can't see it on the Sky listings for Friday?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 06, 2019, 12:34:52 AM
A win is a win but it was lacklustre performance from England tonight. Without Buttler, Ali and Stokes the team is very ordinary and Root needs a rest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2019, 11:21:02 AM
A win is a win but it was lacklustre performance from England tonight. Without Buttler, Ali and Stokes the team is very ordinary and Root needs a rest.

I think if you take players like Buttler and Stokes out of any team they're going to be noticeably weaker for it, that's the best 'finisher' in the world and one of the top all-rounders in the world. Moeen isn't quite at that standard but is another player that we don't really have a suitable replacement for so would be a big loss as well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 06, 2019, 08:03:05 PM
Windies' fielding has been laughable, but well done Bairstow.

Is the next one not on telly? Can't see it on the Sky listings for Friday?

Strange this. I canít find any tv coverage either.

Sky listing SA v SL highlights for Friday evening
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Gareth on March 06, 2019, 11:45:59 PM
Apparently sky & the WI board are still negotiating broadcast rights for next 2 games
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 07, 2019, 10:44:18 AM
I heard that local and international TV are not broadcasting  as Windies board were asking far too much money. Also their main sponsor Digicel has pulled out and therefore they can not sell shirts etc till they find a new sponsor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 07, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
From what I've read the original deal only had one T20 game. When they added another two they asked Sky for a lot more money. They are still negotiating but it sounds like Sky have already sent their commentary team over so are confident of getting a deal. Fingers-crossed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 07, 2019, 08:44:34 PM
Update: sounds like deal agreed.

https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/cricket/england/news/sky-sports-finally-agree-deal-to-show-englands-final-two-t20s-in-the-caribbean_352644.html
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 08, 2019, 07:58:21 PM
Ramprakash wonít be England batting coach for The Ashes
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 08, 2019, 09:36:13 PM
I donít particularly rate him, but pleased that Billings has finally got a big knock for England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 08, 2019, 09:48:19 PM
This is on YouTube BTW, for those that don't have Sky...

https://youtu.be/wSz78-xARe4
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 08, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
Great! Thanks cd.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 08, 2019, 10:39:25 PM
Iím never really understood why Jordan isnít in the 50 mix, heís a very fine white ball bowler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on March 09, 2019, 12:23:01 PM
Iím never really understood why Jordan isnít in the 50 mix, heís a very fine white ball bowler.

Great fielder as well Paul.  I agree with you, real talent.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on March 10, 2019, 08:14:16 PM
Windies look like they're trying to break the record they set the other day.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on March 10, 2019, 08:23:20 PM
This is superb bowling from Willey to be fair, he's great with the new ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on March 10, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
Yep, super stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on March 10, 2019, 09:14:38 PM
Windies 116-20
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on March 10, 2019, 10:31:55 PM
That was so easy
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 19, 2019, 12:16:39 AM
This has annoyed me far more than it probably should have. I just think its a really bad idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/ashes-new-era-tests-names-numbers-shirts-cricket-england-australia#comments
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on March 19, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
This has annoyed me far more than it probably should have. I just think its a really bad idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/ashes-new-era-tests-names-numbers-shirts-cricket-england-australia#comments

I think itís a good idea and that there are other issues in test cricket that are more important such as slow over rates. Anything that makes test cricket more marketable without succumbing to the razzmatazz of white ball cricket must be a good thing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 19, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
This has annoyed me far more than it probably should have. I just think its a really bad idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/ashes-new-era-tests-names-numbers-shirts-cricket-england-australia#comments

I don't see anything wrong with this
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on March 19, 2019, 08:46:08 AM
This has annoyed me far more than it probably should have. I just think its a really bad idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/ashes-new-era-tests-names-numbers-shirts-cricket-england-australia#comments

I don't see anything wrong with this

Same, cosmetic changes to help fans identify players are ok by me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 19, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
I think it will just look a bit daft to be honest. I've always liked that test cricket hasn't had no's and names on shirts, as i've always liked Rugby just having no's and no names at international level. I mostly think it just looks better. I cringe a bit at names and numbers being on first class teams shirts.

I'd also say that being able to identify players isn't an issue. The scoreboard and announcers keep you abreast of who is bowling and batting, and id say the field settings are far more important than who is in each position.

I'd also say if the ECB wanted to help promote test cricket, then a commitment to 2 tests a summer on terrestial tv would be a much better start.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on March 19, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
I find numbers on back of cricketers shirt in one day and T20 helpful in identification. So letís get on with it. (Says in a Brexiteer tone)😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on March 19, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
They have names and numbers on the back of the white shirts in 4 day county cricket. It doesnít spoil my enjoyment of that form of cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 19, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
They have names and numbers on the back of the white shirts in 4 day county cricket. It doesnít spoil my enjoyment of that form of cricket.

I wouldn't say it spoils enjoyment for me, but I just find it a little cringey. As I say, I've never been overly bothered about identifiying who is fielding at fine leg, and the bowler will generally be announced by scoreboard/announcer/commentator

There's still something special about test cricket and I find little things like this are stripping away at the tradition. I only hope this doesn't pave the way for more sponsorship logos on the front of test shirts.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 31, 2019, 12:33:25 PM
Jonny Bairstow absolutely hammering the ball in the IPL today.

40 degrees in Hydrabad
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on March 31, 2019, 12:39:23 PM
Century up for Bairstow
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Great to see Hameed get a hundred. Hopefully he can put his horror show of last year behind him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 12, 2019, 10:22:08 PM
Great to see Hameed get a hundred. Hopefully he can put his horror show of last year behind him.

I think his horror show goes a bit back further than that, this is his first ton since 2016.

Lancashire were on the verge of releasing him last year so heís repaying their faith. If he has a good summer then maybe he will get a place on a Lions tour. Heís a long way from test selection just yet.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2019, 10:26:34 PM
Oh yes of course, Iím just pleased heís made a good start.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on April 16, 2019, 03:09:27 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 16, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.

Iíd have no hesitation in picking him.

The feedback from England players currently playing in the IPL is that heís a special talent and you should select the best players that are available to you. Team spirit doesnít win games or tournaments, picking the best players does.

We were in a similar position ahead of the 2005 Ashes series with the media calling for Pietersen to be selected. He was selected and his innings in the 5th test at the Oval meant that we regained the Ashes for the first time in years. Ultimately Pietersen became a toxic presence in the dressing room but at the time he was the right selection.

We will know tomorrow if Archer gets the gig or not, I think the squad is announced on Wednesday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.

Iíd have no hesitation in picking him.

The feedback from England players currently playing in the IPL is that heís a special talent and you should select the best players that are available to you. Team spirit doesnít win games or tournaments, picking the best players does.

We were in a similar position ahead of the 2005 Ashes series with the media calling for Pietersen to be selected. He was selected and his innings in the 5th test at the Oval meant that we regained the Ashes for the first time in years. Ultimately Pietersen became a toxic presence in the dressing room but at the time he was the right selection.

We will know tomorrow if Archer gets the gig or not, I think the squad is announced on Wednesday.

The only real ingredient missing in the 50 over side at the moment is that 'x-factor' quick bowler.  Not sure whether Archer is that just yet and whether this World Cup might have come just a bit too soon for him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 16, 2019, 04:59:07 PM
Woakes (and previously David Willey and Mark Wood) has let himself down there saying it wouldn't be morally fair to pick Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 16, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
Woakes (and previously David Willey and Mark Wood) has let himself down there saying it wouldn't be morally fair to pick Archer.

Woakes has tweeted to say that his comments have been taken out of context to make good copy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on April 16, 2019, 05:29:29 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.

Iíd have no hesitation in picking him.

The feedback from England players currently playing in the IPL is that heís a special talent and you should select the best players that are available to you. Team spirit doesnít win games or tournaments, picking the best players does.

We were in a similar position ahead of the 2005 Ashes series with the media calling for Pietersen to be selected. He was selected and his innings in the 5th test at the Oval meant that we regained the Ashes for the first time in years. Ultimately Pietersen became a toxic presence in the dressing room but at the time he was the right selection.

We will know tomorrow if Archer gets the gig or not, I think the squad is announced on Wednesday.

The only real ingredient missing in the 50 over side at the moment is that 'x-factor' quick bowler.  Not sure whether Archer is that just yet and whether this World Cup might have come just a bit too soon for him.
Why I asked the question I guess - the Pietersen 2005 comparison is a good one but reality is Archer has only played 14 list A games and taken 21 wickets at 30. Hardly ripping up trees - but I do accept his T20 performances have been impressive. Sure he will get the Pakistan ODIís to state his case.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 16, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.

Iíd have no hesitation in picking him.

The feedback from England players currently playing in the IPL is that heís a special talent and you should select the best players that are available to you. Team spirit doesnít win games or tournaments, picking the best players does.

We were in a similar position ahead of the 2005 Ashes series with the media calling for Pietersen to be selected. He was selected and his innings in the 5th test at the Oval meant that we regained the Ashes for the first time in years. Ultimately Pietersen became a toxic presence in the dressing room but at the time he was the right selection.

We will know tomorrow if Archer gets the gig or not, I think the squad is announced on Wednesday.

The only real ingredient missing in the 50 over side at the moment is that 'x-factor' quick bowler.  Not sure whether Archer is that just yet and whether this World Cup might have come just a bit too soon for him.
Why I asked the question I guess - the Pietersen 2005 comparison is a good one but reality is Archer has only played 14 list A games and taken 21 wickets at 30. Hardly ripping up trees - but I do accept his T20 performances have been impressive. Sure he will get the Pakistan ODIís to state his case.

Thereís not much else he can do other than perform in that series.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 16, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
Woakes (and previously David Willey and Mark Wood) has let himself down there saying it wouldn't be morally fair to pick Archer.

Woakes has tweeted to say that his comments have been taken out of context to make good copy.

Well he would say that wouldn't he.  As an excuse it's right up there with 'I misspoke' and 'Those remarks don't reflect the person I am now.'
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on April 16, 2019, 06:23:37 PM
What are the thoughts on Jofra Archer being picked for the World Cup squad ? Iím a bit torn - obviously a talent, and as I understand it whilst qualification rules have been changed recently theyíve only been brought into line with those applying elsewhere rather than fudged, however much of the success has been built on a strong team spirit and thatís got to be affected if one of the long-term members of the squad is suddenly binned on the eve of the tournament.

Iíd have no hesitation in picking him.

The feedback from England players currently playing in the IPL is that heís a special talent and you should select the best players that are available to you. Team spirit doesnít win games or tournaments, picking the best players does.

We were in a similar position ahead of the 2005 Ashes series with the media calling for Pietersen to be selected. He was selected and his innings in the 5th test at the Oval meant that we regained the Ashes for the first time in years. Ultimately Pietersen became a toxic presence in the dressing room but at the time he was the right selection.

We will know tomorrow if Archer gets the gig or not, I think the squad is announced on Wednesday.

The only real ingredient missing in the 50 over side at the moment is that 'x-factor' quick bowler.  Not sure whether Archer is that just yet and whether this World Cup might have come just a bit too soon for him.

That's about where I am. If it was a t20 world cup then he'd be a no-brainer choice but he's very raw in the 50 over format still and I'm not sure a series against Pakistan and Ireland will be enough to show anything either way. If he's devastating in that series then he'll have put his hand up but naming him in the provisional world cup squad tomorrow would be premature for me. I do think he'll be a core part of the England limited overs teams for the next 7-8 years after the world cup though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2019, 06:39:54 PM
Woakes (and previously David Willey and Mark Wood) has let himself down there saying it wouldn't be morally fair to pick Archer.

Woakes has tweeted to say that his comments have been taken out of context to make good copy.

Well he would say that wouldn't he.  As an excuse it's right up there with 'I misspoke' and 'Those remarks don't reflect the person I am now.'

Indeed, it does read a bit different in totality but he still said those words. Also itís not a Ďmoralí thing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 16, 2019, 07:21:17 PM
Woakes (and previously David Willey and Mark Wood) has let himself down there saying it wouldn't be morally fair to pick Archer.

Woakes has tweeted to say that his comments have been taken out of context to make good copy.

Well he would say that wouldn't he.  As an excuse it's right up there with 'I misspoke' and 'Those remarks don't reflect the person I am now.'

Indeed, it does read a bit different in totality but he still said those words. Also itís not a Ďmoralí thing.

The Beeb have amended their headline now. Funny that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 17, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
Archer isnít in the provisional World Cup squad but he is in the squad to face Pakistan in the warm up matches.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 17, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Archer should be in. Not really sure what Woakes is on about.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
Itíll be interesting to see how Archer does in the Pakistan series. If he does well heíll be in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Itíll be interesting to see how Archer does in the Pakistan series. If he does well heíll be in.

Yep, that's how I see it given how little 50 over cricket he's played giving themselves a chance to have a close look was always the sensible option and I think that's the point that Woakes and others were trying to make. I think everyone knows how good he could be but until he gives it a proper go we won't know. The world cup is the incentive that hadn't been there until the rule change so he'd prioritised T20, if he really wants to be an international player he needs to show that in the upcoming series.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on April 18, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
Sri Lanka provisional squad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47976115
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on April 18, 2019, 11:52:42 AM
Good to see Karunaratne back in charge. I'll drink to that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on April 18, 2019, 11:54:01 AM
Can't understand Woakes having a go at Archer's selection. He wants the "in club" of his mates preserved.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 20, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
My Ashes tickets arrived today, a pleasant surprise, I wasnít expect them just yet.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on April 25, 2019, 11:23:06 AM
The upcoming Central American Cricket Championship

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/23/the-spin-mexico-all-set-for-cac-2019-cricket-oldest-modern-sports
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on April 26, 2019, 07:07:36 PM
Alex Hales is serving a suspension for a failed drugs test.

The BBC arenít saying why heís been suspended but Cricinfo are repointing that heís tested positive for recreational drug use and as heís serving a ban itís not the first time that heís been caught:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26610779/england-alex-hales-banned-recreational-drug-use
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Gareth on April 27, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
Hales is an utter prat, kick him out of World Cup squad now - how can they trust him not to do it in the competition? Also, good chance for Giles to assert himself as a take no crap leader.

21 day ban is also a joke for a 2nd offence - doesnít suggest ECB treat it seriously
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on April 29, 2019, 09:45:25 AM
Hales dropped from squad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48090055
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Towser on April 29, 2019, 09:46:53 AM
My Ashes tickets arrived today, a pleasant surprise, I wasnít expect them just yet.

My Ashes tickets arrived on Saturday as well, I assumed they would not be sent until June at the earliest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2019, 01:26:44 PM
Hales is an utter prat, kick him out of World Cup squad now - how can they trust him not to do it in the competition? Also, good chance for Giles to assert himself as a take no crap leader.

21 day ban is also a joke for a 2nd offence - doesnít suggest ECB treat it seriously

Yep.  Zero tolerance policy should be implemented for that one I'm afraid. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
England always bloody unravel before the World Cup. Although granted normally itís bizarre selection u-turns on the eve of the tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 29, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
I think Hales should have to suffer the consequences, and missing a WC is a reasonable punishment.

He was extremely lucky to not face legal action over the Bristol incident, and you'd think would be attempting to be squeaky clean at the moment.

The issue may be, if true, that Hales management team claim to have been told that a ban would not affect his place in the WC squad. It's a big if, but if true then that is pretty poor from the ECB themselves.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on May 02, 2019, 07:56:20 AM
Hales is an idiot. Why put your lucrative career at risk. What kind of hangers on does he mix with?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 02, 2019, 08:01:59 AM
Itís pretty stupid behaviour from Hales and he knew the consequences when he took whatever recreational drug he used. The ECB appear to have acted badly but Giles has done the right thing in banning Hales.

They have stated aims of being both the best and most respected teams in the world and making an example of Hales fits in with that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 02, 2019, 08:04:14 AM
Hales is an idiot. Why put your lucrative career at risk. What kind of hangers on does he mix with?

As a white ball only player he has too much time on his hands.

The Royal London Cup finishes this month and the Blast doesnít start until mid-July, heís going to be twiddling his thumbs for a few weeks!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 03, 2019, 10:35:50 AM
Itís pretty stupid behaviour from Hales and he knew the consequences when he took whatever recreational drug he used. The ECB appear to have acted badly but Giles has done the right thing in banning Hales.

They have stated aims of being both the best and most respected teams in the world and making an example of Hales fits in with that.

Seems like if news of the ban hadn't been leaked, Hales would still be in the squad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48136883
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 03, 2019, 12:23:29 PM
Ian Bell on TMS

Quote
We know England have got the best chance of winning a World Cup, ever. And Alex Hales could be sat there watching his mates lift with the World Cup. And that's when this situation will really sink in

It's only when you come out of the other side of international cricket that you realise these are the best days of your life, so while you're there, it's important to make those sacrifices.

Yes, have a good time, but be sensible. The real good teams are the ones that live those words of team culture, and they're not just words on the wall.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 03, 2019, 01:17:05 PM
Jofra Archerís first ball in international cricket went for 4 runs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 03, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
Jofra Archerís first ball in international cricket went for 4 runs.

Wasn't a bad ball per Aggers

We now have an all Villa supporting TMS commentary team with Ian Bell and Michael McNamee
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
Archer hasn't lit things up but you can see the potential, after the world cup he'll be a massive part of this squad and getting 6 games in before the world cup will be a good way of getting him settled. If he starts to spark then the world cup squad questions comes back but I'd personally be looking beyond that for him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2019, 03:44:14 PM
So Archer got his debut wicket with a beauty of a yorker as well as looking like he's loved being out there and taking a decent catch.

Ireland in the death throes of their innings now and have, in truth, been totally out-classed so far.

Plunkett and Tom Curran have both bowled very well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dazvillain on May 03, 2019, 05:34:25 PM
England 66 - 5 v Ireland !
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 03, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Lucky they aren't playing a top side like Scotland or they could be in real trouble.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 03, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
Very sensible batting by the lower middle order won us that match.

Foakes showed great promise but heís unlikely to be in the CWC squad. Archer showed promise in his second spell but unless heís tears Pakistan apart in the ODI series then heís one for the future.

Either way both players showed maturity which bodes well for the future.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on May 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
Is Jofra Archer likely to be part of the test squad?  Wouldn't be too shabby a replacement for Jimmy would he?  Different types of bowlers but Jimmy can't go on for ever and I fancy the Ashes series will be his last for England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2019, 05:23:46 PM
He will be in time Iím sure.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 05, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Archer is a shoe in for the WC squad for me, regardless of his performance in the ODI series against Pakistan.

He clearly has that x factor the rest of the attack (Mark Wood potentially aside) lacks. He's shown in big tournaments like the Big Bash and the IPL that he has the talent and the temperament to perform in high pressure situations against top international batsmen. I know Plunkett bowled well against Ireland, but he has been regressing over the last year and I see Archer as a far more potent weapon.

He was excellent today. Far and away the best bowler on show.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 05, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
Is Jofra Archer likely to be part of the test squad?  Wouldn't be too shabby a replacement for Jimmy would he?  Different types of bowlers but Jimmy can't go on for ever and I fancy the Ashes series will be his last for England.

I'm not too sure that this will be his last series.

Yes Jimmy is 36, but his fitness levels are still easily comparable to bowlers 10 years his junior. There has been no drop off in his performance levels over the last couple of years either. He's still a world class operator.

Maybe if he wants to go out on a high he might consider it, but it certainly won't be a case of his body or ability letting him down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2019, 06:27:05 PM
Archer has already shown that star quality thatís just kind of intangible.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
Will be interesting to see how Archer does today, this is the sort of team where he needs to step up if he's going to give them a decision to make.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
So Archer has 2 overs 1 maiden and 1 wicket-maiden. Woakes at the other end has bowled 16 good deliveries and then gifted a couple of boundaries with the other 2.

15/1
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2019, 07:19:41 PM
Little to take from the game other than that Archer is ace.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 08:21:33 PM
Little to take from the game other than that Archer is ace.

He was superb today, and Plunkett struggled immediately afterwards, I think Archer getting the nod looks more likely today.

My prediction for the world cup right now:

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Archer, Woakes, Rashid, Wood

Harsh on Willey who does give us something different but him, Foakes, Tom Curran and Denly or Vince would be the rest of the squad for me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on May 08, 2019, 08:26:25 PM
That's a great team Paul.  Archer has to play in my book. Pick our best side.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 08, 2019, 08:34:04 PM
Little to take from the game other than that Archer is ace.

He was superb today, and Plunkett struggled immediately afterwards, I think Archer getting the nod looks more likely today.

My prediction for the world cup right now:

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Archer, Woakes, Rashid, Wood

Harsh on Willey who does give us something different but him, Foakes, Tom Curran and Denly or Vince would be the rest of the squad for me.

I do wonder if Woakes and Wood will stay fit for the entire tournament. Wood is injury prone and I think that Woakes knee problem is much worse than we realise. We need both of them fit to be in with any chance of success.

And Archer must play and Jordan would be in my squad too as adequate cover for Wood or Woakes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2019, 08:45:09 PM
Little to take from the game other than that Archer is ace.

He was superb today, and Plunkett struggled immediately afterwards, I think Archer getting the nod looks more likely today.

My prediction for the world cup right now:

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Archer, Woakes, Rashid, Wood

Harsh on Willey who does give us something different but him, Foakes, Tom Curran and Denly or Vince would be the rest of the squad for me.

I do wonder if Woakes and Wood will stay fit for the entire tournament. Wood is injury prone and I think that Woakes knee problem is much worse than we realise. We need both of them fit to be in with any chance of success.

And Archer must play and Jordan would be in my squad too as adequate cover for Wood or Woakes.

I agree on the injury risk but I don't think Jordan will come into it, if any of the bowlers I listed miss out Plunkett will be the one they bring in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
Good batting so far, should be looking at 350ish here which is decent but not impossible to chase. Buttler and Morgan are batting beautifully.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 02:59:38 PM
Good batting so far, should be looking at 350ish here which is decent but not impossible to chase. Buttler and Morgan are batting beautifully.

Ha, Buttler went up a gear and this will be more like 370-380. Brilliant display of hitting from the big man, 50 ball century, fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
Going back to Buttler (who is definitely the best white ball batsman in the world) there's one shot from him (where he put a leg side, head high bouncer to the off side fence) which is just unbelievable, his range of shots and ability to adapt to the deliveries is special, truly spectacular player to watch when he decides it's time to turn the screw.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
pretty much halfway through the reply, 152-1. We've contained them reasonably well but we've not offer as much threat as I'd like with the ball, I think one from Wood or Archer has to play just to give us the option for an extra yard of pace.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 11, 2019, 06:11:09 PM
I reckon Pakistan are favourites, here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 06:20:28 PM
Archer stock has risen again by not playing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 11, 2019, 07:06:23 PM
Good to see Willey getting a few death overs. He was the pick of our bowlers today with his last three overs bowled with intelligence and skill, 3-0-2-17.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 07:07:33 PM
Yes think heís probably played himself into the World Cup 15 today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 11, 2019, 07:20:14 PM
They got much closer to out target than I though they would so a good game in the end.

I think they need to rethink the different ball at each end rule, itís giving the batsmen too much of an advantage.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 07:50:39 PM
We bowled really poorly in the first 25-30 overs, as a unit. A few decent overs from Ali and Rashid but all of the quicks were poor.


I wonder if part of that was knowing there was a big total on the board so just trying to play safe.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 12, 2019, 12:17:57 AM
They got much closer to out target than I though they would so a good game in the end.

I think they need to rethink the different ball at each end rule, itís giving the batsmen too much of an advantage.

Agree in principal, but one of the issues with the ball in one dayers, was that teams would deliberately do all they could to soften it. By the 30th over or so it was generally closer to a tennis ball and harder to hit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 12, 2019, 07:30:59 AM
They got much closer to out target than I though they would so a good game in the end.

I think they need to rethink the different ball at each end rule, itís giving the batsmen too much of an advantage.

Agree in principal, but one of the issues with the ball in one dayers, was that teams would deliberately do all they could to soften it. By the 30th over or so it was generally closer to a tennis ball and harder to hit.

Thatís a form of ball tampering then isnít it? Keep one ball and let the umpire inspect it after every over. Cricket has the advantage that most, if not all, umpires have played the game at the highest level so they know all of the tricks that fielding sides use.

The white ball game is dominated by big hitters. Itís marvellous to see, especially when itís one of your players flaying the ball to all parts, but something has to be done to redress the balance between bat and ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 10:34:18 AM
I like the 2 balls rule. The one I'd change is leg side wides.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 12, 2019, 03:35:37 PM
They got much closer to out target than I though they would so a good game in the end.

I think they need to rethink the different ball at each end rule, itís giving the batsmen too much of an advantage.

Agree in principal, but one of the issues with the ball in one dayers, was that teams would deliberately do all they could to soften it. By the 30th over or so it was generally closer to a tennis ball and harder to hit.

Thatís a form of ball tampering then isnít it? Keep one ball and let the umpire inspect it after every over. Cricket has the advantage that most, if not all, umpires have played the game at the highest level so they know all of the tricks that fielding sides use.

The white ball game is dominated by big hitters. Itís marvellous to see, especially when itís one of your players flaying the ball to all parts, but something has to be done to redress the balance between bat and ball.

I think there's better options to do something about it.

Limit bat size/weight. The sweetspots are just massive on today's bats. Many misshits go for 6.

Increase boundary size and go back to allowing 5 fielders outside the circle from the 15th over.

Have a slightly more pronounced seam on the ball(s). That way having 2 new balls could be an advantage to a bowling attack under certain conditions.

The game did get to a stage where not a lot happened during the middle overs and it was pretty boring for the spectator.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 04:54:13 PM
I agree with most of that as well but I'm not sure limits on bats are a good idea.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 12, 2019, 04:57:15 PM
I agree with most of that as well but I'm not sure limits on bats are a good idea.

The sweetspots being so big would be the issue I have with the bats. Most international batsmen still clear the ropes when they miss the middle of the bat these days.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 12, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
I like the 2 balls rule. The one I'd change is leg side wides.

I'd agree with that.

The principle of a wide is a "delivery the batsman cannot play a proper cricket shot too".

Unless its down the leg side by a margin, that isn't true of a leg side delivery.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
I like the 2 balls rule. The one I'd change is leg side wides.

I'd agree with that.

The principle of a wide is a "delivery the batsman cannot play a proper cricket shot too".

Unless its down the leg side by a margin, that isn't true of a leg side delivery.

I think the main problem is that it frees the batsman to move around in his crease but means the bowler can't do the same. Something that's 12-18inches behind the batsman is fine, happy with those as wides, just like in the test game, but the ones that miss the batsman by an inch drive me mad.

Back on the bats, my worry is that it'd be putting the genie back in the bottle at this point, I'd rather see changes in other areas which reduce the impact of the bats.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2019, 09:03:14 PM
I think the two ball rule is a problem myself. I think reverse swing would add an extra dimension to the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
The issue there is that white balls go soft much quicker than red balls and in a lot of conditions they'd be falling to bits but you'd only get reverse swing sometimes.

I'm just not sure the benefit outweighs the cost.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2019, 07:25:28 PM
Sounds like Archer wonít play tomorrow. I reckon that suggests theyíve already made the decision heís in the squad and the others are fighting it out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 13, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
Sounds like Archer wonít play tomorrow. I reckon that suggests theyíve already made the decision heís in the squad and the others are fighting it out.

Be absolutely staggered if he's not in the squad. I'd have had him in the provisional 1

Hopefully he will get the last couple of ODI's at least to help acclimatise. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
Better from Woakes today but the rest of the England bowlers are looking a little toothless so far but no bowling from Stokes or Curran yet.

I really can't decide on Willey, when it goes well he looks a fantastic opener with loads of movement and then does a decent job at the death but if he doesn't get any swing he's really expensive.

Plunkett just looks to be in poor form and is probably playing himself out of the squad.

93-2 after 16.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 02:30:55 PM
3 wicket gone, really poor run out (curran kicking it onto the stumps from 5 yards), Batsman just looked like he couldn't be arsed, no attempt to dive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
Woakes is continuing to be the only bowler offering any consistent threat, 3rd wicket for him now.

301-5(44)

330-340 looks about par here so we need to contain them a little in the last few overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 04:36:05 PM
great delivery from Curran to get Imam-ul-Haq.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 04:47:33 PM
and Woakes has a 4th, Pakistan seem to have really struggled with his pace, a lot of early and late shots, he's really unlucky to have gone for 67 from his 10, about 20 of those are from complete mishits.

Plunkett was just done for a wide (on height) but I'm convinced the batsman gloved it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 14, 2019, 04:56:01 PM
England surely going to lose overs for their reply.

Long way over the cut off point.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2019, 04:57:55 PM
and Woakes has a 4th, Pakistan seem to have really struggled with his pace, a lot of early and late shots, he's really unlucky to have gone for 67 from his 10, about 20 of those are from complete mishits.

Plunkett was just done for a wide (on height) but I'm convinced the batsman gloved it.

Looks like we'll be chasing 350 plus.  They have relied on a couple of individual big scores in their two innings so far, but with a few more games under their belt Pakistan could be a useful outfit by the time the World Cup comes round. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 04:58:18 PM
England surely going to lose overs for their reply.

Long way over the cut off point.

A big part of that (10-15mins) was due to issues with the screen early on, with lots of people moving around. behind the bowlers arm.

Willey has just got a c&b with a wonderful catch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 05:05:38 PM
It's a fucked up situation where we've been set 359 to win and I think we've got a good chance to get it, even 2 years ago that would've been unthinkable. It is probably 20-25 more than we'd be happy with though, some really poor overs in there.

The pitch looks fantastic for batting and anything like the middle of the bat means it's going all the way given how small the pitch is.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 14, 2019, 06:40:37 PM
An excellent start by Bairstow and Roy, 137-0 off 15. Whilst itís a small ground, Bairstowís swept six was a beautiful shot and Roy hit one back over the bowlers head and onto a second floor balcony of a flat just beyond the boundary.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 07:00:07 PM
An excellent start by Bairstow and Roy, 137-0 off 15. Whilst itís a small ground, Bairstowís swept six was a beautiful shot and Roy hit one back over the bowlers head and onto a second floor balcony of a flat just beyond the boundary.

It's a funny one, to have got it to a run a ball (pretty much) so quickly is insane but they're still 200 away from the target so there's loads to play for.

Roy gone now so how we go for the next few overs is important.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2019, 07:37:48 PM
The slight problem we have is weíre batting so well in these warm up games that the likes of Stokes and Ali are just getting no batting.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 14, 2019, 07:45:59 PM
The slight problem we have is weíre batting so well in these warm up games that the likes of Stokes and Ali are just getting no batting.

Stokes isnít bowling much either, just 4 overs today and 2 on Saturday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2019, 07:48:46 PM
Heís out there now, but yeah he needs to get some overs in the bank with the ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 07:50:24 PM
The slight problem we have is weíre batting so well in these warm up games that the likes of Stokes and Ali are just getting no batting.

Yep, pushed them up to 4 and 5 so we get to 234-2

No complaints about Bairstow and Roy being in this form though, they were been brilliant.

Stokes in now though so hopefully he can get a good 40-50 on the board.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 08:55:23 PM
Stokes gone for 37 but a run out and looked in decent form from what I saw. Mo on 29 and Morgan in with him, 34 to win from 8 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2019, 09:07:11 PM
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2019, 09:21:18 AM
Still not sure what the point is of having Denly in the team

I thought that Archer might be slightly injured but per Steve James of The Times (handy to know the cricket correspondent of a broadsheet), he was being rested and Steve believes that he's already made the WC squad
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2019, 10:59:40 AM
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.

Andy Zaltzmann had some stats (can't remember if it was during yesterday's game or the previous one) about England having the best run rate since the last WC of the 2019 WC teams but also having the second worst runs conceded rate.

I know that this has a lot to do with playing on high scoring wickets in the UK but it's still a concerning trend
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2019, 02:54:15 PM
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.

Andy Zaltzmann had some stats (can't remember if it was during yesterday's game or the previous one) about England having the best run rate since the last WC of the 2019 WC teams but also having the second worst runs conceded rate.

I know that this has a lot to do with playing on high scoring wickets in the UK but it's still a concerning trend

It is but it's one where I'm not sure how big a concern it is. We score more than anyone else so to make a game of it teams have to be more aggressive against us, particularly if they're chasing. On top of that we, as a bowling attack, seem to be willing to go for a few runs trying something different because we know we can chase down big scores or have plenty on the board.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2019, 03:51:34 PM
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.

As I say, I agree it's a concern but I think it's difficult to know how concerned to be. To use your football analogy if you know a team is averaging 3-4 goals a game you're going to change your tactics. At the moment teams seem to have given up trying to stop us scoring them but instead are working on scoring as many as they can themselves, a bit like the Forest game in the Autumn.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2019, 07:20:06 PM
Weíll be fine once Jofra is in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on May 16, 2019, 01:32:31 PM
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.

Agree.  There are going to be games when the batting line up fails to fire up properly and we are left defending a smallish score.  Happened in the semi final of the ICC Champions Trophy a couple of years ago and we never looked anywhere near capable of defending that score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2019, 04:35:08 PM

Agree.  There are going to be games when the batting line up fails to fire up properly and we are left defending a smallish score.  Happened in the semi final of the ICC Champions Trophy a couple of years ago and we never looked anywhere near capable of defending that score.

In that game we scored 211, doing a bit of digging in the cricinfo stats I think there have been 67 matches between test playing nations in the last 5 years where a team has scored that or less in the first innings, the team chasing have won 63 of them. To me it seems obvious that you just don't win those games very often, regardless of how well you bowl.

Personally I think the more interesting stat to measure the bowlers on is the number of times we've bowled teams out, or completed 50 overs, for a 'sub par' score. I'd say, without accounting for conditions, that means anything below 270.

We've bowled first in 44 matches since the start of 2014, we've met my criteria in 17 of those, so a little more than 1 in 3 our bowlers have given us an 'easy' chase.

Then there have been 16 more where we've conceded 271-330 which is pretty much par.

Take away a handful of rain interrupted games and that leaves 8 games where we've been smashed around in the first innings and had a tough target to chase.

I'm not saying there's not room for improvement, just that I don't think it's a major concern.  Sorry if that's a bit long and stat-y.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 16, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
Archer and Wood (if hes the Wood we say in the Windies) will make a massive difference to this attack.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
Archer and Wood (if hes the Wood we say in the Windies) will make a massive difference to this attack.

and a fit Woakes will help, he looked like he was getting there in the last match. Stokes hasn't bowled much this series either and can have much more of an impact.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
Pakistan 199-1 (effectively 2 with Imam hurt) from 34.

Only been watch for the last 7-8 overs but we've been excellent. Not taking wickets but doing a great job of slowing their scoring down. Archer in particular just looks really hard to score against.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 04:34:34 PM
Pakistan have got the score up a bit but England are getting regular wickets as well, 318-6 (7 really) with 3 overs to go.

Shoaib Malik has just gone wiping out his own stumps.

Wood has been a bit expensive but got a couple of wickets, Curran has bowled really well and Archer has been excellent despite only getting 1 wicket.

Curran got a 4th now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 04:36:32 PM
Imam back on, which is a bit of a surprise, looks like he can barely hold his bat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 07:08:57 PM
Very happy to see a century for Roy, he's had a great series, as has Bairstow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2019, 07:42:32 PM
Here comes the collapse. Weíre already well into it, so letís see if we can buck our trend for occasional shockers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Here comes the collapse. Weíre already well into it, so letís see if we can buck our trend for occasional shockers.

Odd as it may sound I'm ok with this, Morgan and Bairstow are massive gaps in our top order, this shows that we don't have the replacements for them.

Vince did ok without putting any pressure on Roy or Bairstow and denly has been really disappointing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
Turned out to be very useful exercise.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 17, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
Turned out to be very useful exercise.

Yes, ideal preparation for the CWC.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2019, 09:12:25 PM
Credit to Stokes, that's a brilliant innings. I reckon that means the only England top 6 batsman to not have a big score in this series is Root but he's got consistent 40ish scores which, whilst not match winning, are the steadying scores he's there to provide. We're in a really good place with the bat for the world cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 17, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
So World Cup predictions then?

England are favourites due to home advantage but once you reach the semi finals then itís anyoneís to win. My four semi finalists are England, Australia, India and New Zealand. If England donít win then I think New Zealand will.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2019, 09:52:25 PM
England look fantastic.

Absolutely no way we'll win it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2019, 11:01:22 PM
Curran has played his way in now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on May 19, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid

Very strong batting all the way down plus 7 bowlers offering variety

Vince
Wood
Curran
Plunkett
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on May 19, 2019, 10:09:25 AM
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid

Very strong batting all the way down plus 7 bowlers offering variety

Vince
Wood
Curran
Plunkett
Will be one of Denly or Dawson for either Plunkett Willey or Curran. Harsh on whoever misses out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on May 19, 2019, 10:09:58 AM
Just to add Moeen is the current weak link so hope he gets his game back together quickly.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: four fornicholl on May 19, 2019, 11:52:10 AM
The almost mythical 500 from 50, any thoughts?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
Certainly looks like they've decided to flex the muscles a bit and put an impossible target up. 400 plus looks likely.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 19, 2019, 12:18:45 PM
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid

Very strong batting all the way down plus 7 bowlers offering variety

Vince
Wood
Curran
Plunkett

I think Wood has to be in the starting 11. For me him and Archer should definitely be the opening bowlers. We need that pace and wicket taking ability, and whilst the white ball just isn't swinging, Willey doesn't offer that.

Not sure Plunkett has done enough to justify a place in the squad. Probably Dawson comes in for him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
If anyone has a link to a live stream they could PM me I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 19, 2019, 02:07:04 PM
Really poor collapse. Should have been targeting over 400, but will be lucky to get 330 now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2019, 02:08:46 PM
400 lol...we are getting greedy now. 300+ is a very good score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 19, 2019, 02:18:25 PM
400 lol...we are getting greedy now. 300+ is a very good score.

Not anymore. Especially with the roads the surfaces are in this country and the short boundaries. 330-340 is fast becoming merely a par score the majority of the time.

With the start we had to this innings we really should have been over 400.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
Yes but opposition have some say in it. It's a competitive match ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
Really poor last 20 overs there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2019, 02:36:38 PM
400 lol...we are getting greedy now. 300+ is a very good score.

300-350 is par, nothing more in most cases these days.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2019, 02:59:33 PM
During the WC19 most teams scoring 300+ will win their match. Any team that wants to win the trophy need to restrict the opposition below 300 consistently.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 19, 2019, 03:34:54 PM
In fairness, 350 looking a long way away for Pakistan now.

Great stuff from Woakes who has 3 wickets for no runs.

A lot will depend on the pitches during the WC. If they are like the roads we have seen in this series then 300 won't be remotely enough the vast majority of the time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2019, 02:13:00 PM
Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Archer
Wiley
Rashid

Very strong batting all the way down plus 7 bowlers offering variety

Vince
Wood
Curran
Plunkett

I think Wood has to be in the starting 11. For me him and Archer should definitely be the opening bowlers. We need that pace and wicket taking ability, and whilst the white ball just isn't swinging, Willey doesn't offer that.

Not sure Plunkett has done enough to justify a place in the squad. Probably Dawson comes in for him.

Wood, Woakes, Archer and Stokes would be my four seamers.  The rest of the XI picks itself really, but I think the other four squad members will be Vince (should have been Hales), two out of Curran, Plunkett and Willey, and then I think they might go for Denly as he can bowl a bit of spin. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 21, 2019, 08:28:35 AM
I'd go for a proper spinner as backup, rather than a part-timer like Denly. Root can fill the part-timer role.

Also, with someone of Archer's batting ability coming in at 11. There's room to pick a non-batting spinner if Ali or Rashid get hurt
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 21, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
Willey and Denly out.

Vince, Archer and Dawson in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48347499


England squad
Eoin Morgan (capt, Middlesex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jofra Archer (Sussex), Jonny Bairstow (wk, Yorkshire), Jos Buttler (wk, Lancashire), Tom Curran (Surrey), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Liam Plunkett (Surrey), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Vince (Hampshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2019, 12:22:28 PM
Willey and Denly out.

Vince, Archer and Dawson in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48347499


England squad
Eoin Morgan (capt, Middlesex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jofra Archer (Sussex), Jonny Bairstow (wk, Yorkshire), Jos Buttler (wk, Lancashire), Tom Curran (Surrey), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Liam Plunkett (Surrey), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Vince (Hampshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

Can see the logic of going with Dawson.  Very harsh on David Willey, but I just think Archer has that 'x-factor' with the ball that we have been missing and tough decisions have to be made at elite levels of sport.  Would have maybe gone for Willey over Plunkett though.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2019, 01:03:37 PM
Plunkett has taken wickets in middle overs, which is a gap without him. Willey has lost out because the balls this year
just havenít swung.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2019, 07:37:16 PM
On first look I donít like the England kit for the World Cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 22, 2019, 02:46:04 AM
Plunkett has taken wickets in middle overs, which is a gap without him. Willey has lost out because the balls this year
just havenít swung.

Plunkett will need to improve. His overall form over the last year or so has been pretty ordinary.

If the white ball had a possibility of swinging, then Willey would have been in the squad. It doesn't though, and he's just cannon fodder at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 22, 2019, 07:03:45 AM
On first look I donít like the England kit for the World Cup.

Neither do I, I prefer both of last yearís white ball kits.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 22, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
I take it that the ICC have control over the balls for the WC, unlike in the Ashes where England got to pick the design
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2019, 10:02:26 AM
ICC have no balls so not much control.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2019, 10:04:07 AM
On first look I donít like the England kit for the World Cup.

Neither do I, I prefer both of last yearís white ball kits.
Yes agreed. Caught a glimpse yesterday and immediately  thought yuk! England normally have the classiest kit in world cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2019, 10:07:15 AM
Can see the logic of going with Dawson.  Very harsh on David Willey, but I just think Archer has that 'x-factor' with the ball that we have been missing and tough decisions have to be made at elite levels of sport.  Would have maybe gone for Willey over Plunkett though.
Agree with your post Tom specially about Archer. Willey is ok but Archer is a potentially world class and needs to be developed. I hope he has a good world cup and than make the Ashes team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on May 22, 2019, 10:11:46 AM
On first look I donít like the England kit for the World Cup.

Neither do I, I prefer both of last yearís white ball kits.
Yes agreed. Caught a glimpse yesterday and immediately  thought yuk! England normally have the classiest kit in world cricket.
Itís a grower. Ordered one for my Mrs this morning as she wants to wear it to the Oval next Thursday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 22, 2019, 10:30:27 AM
On first look I donít like the England kit for the World Cup.

Neither do I, I prefer both of last yearís white ball kits.
Yes agreed. Caught a glimpse yesterday and immediately  thought yuk! England normally have the classiest kit in world cricket.
Itís a grower. Ordered one for my Mrs this morning as she wants to wear it to the Oval next Thursday.

It reminds me of the kit they wore in the 1992 tournament when we lost to Pakistan in the final. Not a good or happy omen.

I will reserve judgement until I've seen it in the flesh though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 23, 2019, 10:00:02 AM
Just checked the Cricket World Cup fixtures and it's pretty much all half ten starts. Assume this is for the Asian TV market. Can't see the tournament taking the nation by storm or leaving much of a legacy if most people can't watch it as they are at work. 🙁
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2019, 01:12:55 PM
Morgan needs scan on finger, I really hope it's not a serious injury.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 24, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
Morgan needs scan on finger, I really hope it's not a serious injury.

Shit. That's a worry
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 24, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
Injured in catching practice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 24, 2019, 05:04:31 PM
Apparently not taken to hospital, which would indicate scan is a precaution rather than being real concern.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 24, 2019, 05:06:16 PM
Ah! Literally as.I was posting that its been confirmed as a small fracture and he is expected to be fit for the 1st match.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2019, 07:52:48 AM
Fingers crossed there are no set backs because he is critical. Heís an excellent captain, plus his form is good with the bat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 25, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
Wood has gone off injured......hopefully itís just precautionary. Collingwood on as a sub!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 25, 2019, 11:41:39 AM
Wood ran off the field. Which would surely suggest it isn't too bad
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 25, 2019, 01:07:55 PM
I like the new England strip
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on May 25, 2019, 01:56:30 PM
Great catch from Tom Curran!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 25, 2019, 02:16:16 PM
Good last over from Curran, although I didnít think Smith was out. It looked like a bump ball to me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 25, 2019, 02:29:01 PM
What channel are people watching the England game on?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 25, 2019, 02:30:46 PM
Never mind, found it! Why is Sky Sports Mix 121 when all the other sport channels are four hundred and something?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2019, 06:23:35 PM
Plunkett mugging Woakes the fucking div.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 25, 2019, 06:25:02 PM
Ffs Rashid hit the fucking thing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 25, 2019, 06:39:16 PM
We needed one of the top order to play the sort of innings that Smith did, several got a start but no-one kicked on.

Once Woakes was run out that was pretty much it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 25, 2019, 10:07:10 PM
Missed the first innings cos didn't realise it was on until I noticed some posts on here. Sounds like Archer wasn't able to bowl and we still kept them down to a score we would usually chase down. Not a disaster. And they only won because of a century from a cheating convict bastard anyway.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 26, 2019, 08:22:29 AM
Missed the first innings cos didn't realise it was on until I noticed some posts on here. Sounds like Archer wasn't able to bowl and we still kept them down to a score we would usually chase down. Not a disaster. And they only won because of a century from a cheating convict bastard anyway.

It was a weird game and had a pre-season friendly feel to it. Woakes didnít field but he batted, Archer was on the field as a sub fielder when he slipped over, Dawson and Wood got injured so Rashid and Archer batted, Collingwood fielded wearing Woodís kit. I was half expecting them to start playing the 6 and out and last man stands rules that we used to use when we were kids.

I know it was against the Crims but I couldnít raise much enthusiasm for it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
These injuries are becoming a concern.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
I donít know why, but Iíve got barely any confidence in us winning the World Cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 29, 2019, 07:03:36 PM
I donít know why, but Iíve got barely any confidence in us winning the World Cup.

I am concerned that we have peaked too soon. We played some wonderful cricket in the Pakistan series but looked ordinary against the Aussies.

Our first choice XI is a match for anyone so I think we can reach the semis but after that itís anyoneís call.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 10:08:51 AM
England Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan (c), Stokes, Buttler (wk), Ali, Woakes, Rashid, Archer, Plunkett.

South Africa Amla, de Kock (c), Markram, du Plessis, van der Dussen, Duminy, Phehlukwayo, Pretorius, Rabada, Ngidi, Tahir.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 10:33:08 AM
Uh-oh..........
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
Hmmmm.

Not the best start.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on May 30, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
1-1 Bairstow goes second ball of the innings.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 10:54:02 AM
Roy and Root have settled things down
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
This is apparently the 4th best opening 10 ever for England in a world cup, and it feels a bit meh, we've been spoilt in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 11:56:46 AM
Pretty poor that from Root.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Nelsoned
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
Hard to say what a decent total would be here, not watched much but there seems to be a bit there for the bowlers. At a guess I'd say 320+ would be a tough chase with anything over about 290 being competitive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 01:05:24 PM
Buttler time
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Is there anything in the pitch that says c.310 is an acceptable score here? On the face of it weíre not rocketing along.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 01:20:00 PM
Is there anything in the pitch that says c.310 is an acceptable score here? On the face of it weíre not rocketing along.

I watched about 5-6 overs (when Roy and Root were there) and at the time I'd say that looked about par. No great pace in the outfield and a bit of nip in the square. Looked like a good pitch to me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2019, 01:25:53 PM
Bugger - Buttler gone
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Keep losing wickets at the wrong time. Think 320-330 is about a par score
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 01:33:43 PM
Keep losing wickets at the wrong time. Think 320-330 is about a par score

Yep, we've just started accelerating the score and lost wickets 3 times now. That said there's now no point anyone coming in and leaving anything on the pitch so they'll just go for it. Stokes needs to take the lead though, he's well set and should be eyeing a century here. If he gets there we're looking at 310-320 minimum with the batting still to come out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 01:35:19 PM
Need to push on now. They've just allowed the last couple of overs to pass by.

Moeen seems badly out of nick
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 01:39:14 PM
Great catch in fairness, but that was a really really poor innings from Moeen. 3 from 9 runs not good enough.

His batting seems way off at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
defending 311 then, as above I reckon that's just about par, now we need to take early wickets and then let the pressure build on them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
defending 311 then, as above I reckon that's just about par, now we need to take early wickets and then let the pressure build on them.

Good test for the bowling attack in the very first game.  Bowl well and we should win, bowl poorly and there is a chance they will chase that score down.   
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 30, 2019, 02:23:28 PM
defending 311 then, as above I reckon that's just about par, now we need to take early wickets and then let the pressure build on them.

Good test for the bowling attack in the very first game.  Bowl well and we should win, bowl poorly and there is a chance they will chase that score down.   

Rashid and Ali will be massively important, it has spun from the first over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 02:29:05 PM
defending 311 then, as above I reckon that's just about par, now we need to take early wickets and then let the pressure build on them.

Good test for the bowling attack in the very first game.  Bowl well and we should win, bowl poorly and there is a chance they will chase that score down.   

Rashid and Ali will be massively important, it has spun from the first over.

Yep, I agree, I think Root might well bowl 4-5 overs here as well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 03:04:49 PM
Brutal delivery from Archer there to Amla. 145kph bouncer straight into the grille, having to change his helmet and looked a bit shaken by it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 30, 2019, 03:20:59 PM
Brutal delivery from Archer there to Amla. 145kph bouncer straight into the grille, having to change his helmet and looked a bit shaken by it.

Yes and he's retired hurt.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
Brutal delivery from Archer there to Amla. 145kph bouncer straight into the grille, having to change his helmet and looked a bit shaken by it.

Yes and he's retired hurt.

There's a rumour that he's failed the concussion protocols so won't be back.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 03:32:25 PM
Have seen enough from Archer, that he would be guarenteed a place in the ashes side
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on May 30, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
Have seen enough from Archer, that he would be guarenteed a place in the ashes side

A nice selection headache to have.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 04:11:47 PM
If De Kock stays in heíll win it for them, we need him out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 30, 2019, 04:18:01 PM
We need a wicket.

Haven't questioned Morgans captaincy much, but have to say it was a mistake not to give Archer at least another over especially considering there was a new batsman in and he'd hust taken 2 wickets

Plunkett looks like the weak link I suspected he would and Moeen is backing up his poor batting effort with a mediocre at best bowling display.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
That over was dross.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Jofra is a star. Get Amla out please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on May 30, 2019, 05:11:57 PM
Absolutely brilliant catch from Stokes
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 05:12:49 PM
Lovely.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
Excellent bowling performance, when we weren't taking wickets we slowed their scoring down. Keeping them behind the rate created the pressure which saw us take lots of late wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2019, 06:13:54 PM
Very good in the end. Great to get off to a good start.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 11:09:27 AM
Sir Curtly in the TMS commentary box for Windies v Pakistan, which is nice
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 01:03:20 PM
A chase of only 106 could be noodled quite easily but that's not the way of The Universe Boss. He's flailing away already
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
West Indies will do very well in this WC based on their performance today and against England in the Caribbean earlier in the year. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
West Indies will do very well in this WC based on their performance today and against England in the Caribbean earlier in the year. 

Great to see pace bowling
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
Looks like The Boss has hurt his back. Let's hope it's not going to be a major problem
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
That was an absolute thrashing
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Pakistanís M.O is to start appallingly, so interesting to see how they respond.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2019, 10:17:09 AM
Pakistanís M.O is to start appallingly, so interesting to see how they respond.

The format of this competition allows for a few losses and minimises the chances of shock qualifiers for the knockout stages.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2019, 10:32:07 AM
Wicket in the ĎDiff for NZ v SL is just about the greenest Iíve seen
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
I don't think that this wicket is that bad, it's just that Sri Lanka are
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: MoetVillan on June 02, 2019, 07:38:30 PM
Real soft spot for Bangladesh, they were great today
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 02, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
Real soft spot for Bangladesh, they were great today

Theyíre a good side and have improved since the last World Cup. It shows the benefit of releasing players to play in the various T20 leagues. England have also improved and again players having exposure to worldwide T20 has contributed to this. It seems that Pietersen was right all along, whoíd have thought it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
I watched or listened to most of the BAN v SA game. Bangladesh were excellent.

If SA had reached the target it would have been the highest successful run chase in a WC game.

I can't see this tournament producing the 400 plays 400 games that was suggested in places.

Whilst it's a shame that Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe etc aren't playing, this does mean that there's no games off from the pressure
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
A good example of why the legside wide rule needs to be reviewed there. Wood misses the top of leg by about an inch because as he bowled the batsman walked across his stumps.

Aside from that, good start by Pakistan but England have tightened things up and built up some pressure and now got a first wicket. 350 is needed here so they can't afford to let the score drift much.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
Yikes Pakistan look like theyíre going to get a huge score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
 Fielding has been well ropey today
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 03, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
The drop by Roy of Babar was really bad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on June 03, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
Fielding has been well ropey today

I don't really follow cricket. Does that mean the ball has hit the ropey thing that surrounds the pitch a lot today?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
Woakes has been poor. Going at over 8 per over.

Just as worrying, so has Rashid
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 03, 2019, 01:58:48 PM
Four overthrows  >:(
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 02:27:23 PM
Looks poor on paper but this is Trent Bridge so 340-350 is about par. We scored 341 to beat them here a few weeks back remember. Roy and Bairstow need to give us a solid start though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 02:31:55 PM
That was pretty sloppy and that is a big score to chase. Hopefully our batting will be a lot sharper than our fielding.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 03:02:02 PM
Poor review that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 03:03:24 PM
Terrible. I have a feeling this is going to be one of those days where we get smashed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
Fielding has been well ropey today

I don't really follow cricket. Does that mean the ball has hit the ropey thing that surrounds the pitch a lot today?

Yes exactly.😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2019, 03:23:47 PM
Real soft spot for Bangladesh, they were great today
Yes they were. I would love to see them get through and beat either India or Australia in the semi and then gallantly lose against England in the final.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 04:08:35 PM
Poor start so far, they've bowled OK but not enough to have us 3 down already, still batting to come though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
Weíre done for here, short of a miracle.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 03, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
Depends if Root can stop to the end and whether Buttler cuts loose for a spell.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2019, 05:54:14 PM
At fucking last a match that isn't decided before I got home from work!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
I think this is going to the last over, England need a big over of 15+ get that soon and they become favourites.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2019, 06:18:49 PM
Pakistans to lose now, needed a bit of fireworks from buttler there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 06:21:27 PM
Yeah game over I reckon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
Moeen is in absolutely no form.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 06:27:12 PM
Really poor hitting in last 10 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 06:39:39 PM
This is a legacy of our shite efforts in the field.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 03, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
Disappointing performance. We never seem to beat Pakistan when it really counts.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Yeah bowling, and fielding particularly, were well below par. Not good enough, and they need to bloody sort it out.
Moeen is a problem with the bat at the moment, his form is so poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
Bangladesh is a big game on Saturday now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on June 03, 2019, 07:20:21 PM
Obviously there are problems to look at, but when Pakistan have to put on their best performance in ages to beat you and you still have two centurions in the innings then your problems aren't necessarily fundamental. Obviously, must improve massively in the field, but it's not all doom and gloom.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2019, 07:42:22 PM
No not all doom and gloom, but they shouldnít rock up and field like that. Hopefully itís a kick up the arse and a realisation theyíve got to hit their peak levels.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 03, 2019, 08:10:04 PM
I think we were very complacent today, sloppy in the field and some bang average bowling. Hopefully this will give us the kick up the arse that we need.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2019, 08:29:38 PM
Obviously there are problems to look at, but when Pakistan have to put on their best performance in ages to beat you and you still have two centurions in the innings then your problems aren't necessarily fundamental. Obviously, must improve massively in the field, but it's not all doom and gloom.
I would disagree. England have been only winning matches by putting out their number 1 batting game. The 4-0 against Pakistan in the warm up series whilst looked good should have been a warning that having to win games by scoring over 300 is going to not work one day. The defeat against Australia was also worrying. The match today could have been the semi final or the final itself. England MUST improve bowling and fielding to restrict teams to circa 280 or below if they are to win WC. I do not agree with those who say that par score these days is 330/340.  Anything above 300 is risky if you are chasing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on June 03, 2019, 08:34:17 PM
Obviously there are problems to look at, but when Pakistan have to put on their best performance in ages to beat you and you still have two centurions in the innings then your problems aren't necessarily fundamental. Obviously, must improve massively in the field, but it's not all doom and gloom.
I would disagree. England have been only winning matches by putting out their number 1 batting game. The 4-0 against Pakistan in the warm up series whilst looked good should have been a warning that having to win games by scoring over 300 is going to not work one day. The defeat against Australia was also worrying. The match today could have been the semi final or the final itself. England MUST improve bowling and fielding to restrict teams to circa 280 or below if they are to win WC. I do not agree with those who say that par score these days is 330/340.  Anything above 300 is risky if you are chasing.

All sides have to have their balance, and unless you're the 90s Aussies you're never going to be extraordinary with the bat and in the field. Yes, England need to improve in the field and they're not as strong there as they are at batting, but if your batting is that good then they simply don't always need to be.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 04, 2019, 01:05:25 PM
Sri Lanka have lost 7 wickets for 36 runs in a collapse reminiscent of England's bad old days
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 04, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
Raining in the 'Diff, so SL might be saved
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 04, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
Pretty tight game in the cricket. Come on the Afghan Hounds!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 04, 2019, 06:59:12 PM
Sri Lanka have spoiled it. Would have been a different story if the umpires had banned the chucker Malinga like they should in every game he plays.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 04, 2019, 07:05:36 PM
Afghanistan have Leedsed this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
Afghanistan have Leedsed this.

They're rubbish at chasing
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
Strange scheduling that this is India's first game but SA's third.

Good to have Prakash Wakankar on commentary
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 10:33:38 AM
Prakash thinks that India's first game was held back until today's public holiday back home
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
Pretty good effort by SA at the end to post any kind of a target
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2019, 04:35:43 PM
New Zealand looking on top against the Bangles
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2019, 06:28:23 PM
Thatís a massive bollock dropped by Bangladesh, huge missed run out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 05, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
I had to rack my brain in the NZ Bangladesh game. Williamson was run out by a mile but the Bangladesh keeper broke the stumps before he received the ball. If my memory of the rules is correct then the keeper needed to pull the stump out of the ground for a run out to be given. I donít think Iíve ever seen one like that before!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2019, 08:53:11 PM
Itís getting a bit tense now. NZ lose their 7th wicket still needing 25 from 36.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 05, 2019, 09:07:43 PM
What a fantastic game of cricket for the neutral. Iím enjoying the tournament so far!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2019, 09:18:58 PM
Hells bells. We better not underestimate the Bangledeshiís at the weekend!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 06, 2019, 11:13:26 AM
Windies bowlers are pummelling the Aussies
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 06, 2019, 11:20:48 AM
Windies bowlers are pummelling the Aussies

Lovely to see, Aussies 40-4.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 06, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Unfortunately Smith and Stoinis are staging a fightback 74-4
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 06, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
Coulter-Nile might have batted the Aussies back into this
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 06, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
The Windies v the Crims is building nicely, windies are 243-6 needing 46 from 36 balls.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2019, 06:24:09 PM
Windies have fucked this one up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 07, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Pakistan v Sri Lanka, over the river in Brizzle today was one of the game I considered getting a ticket for.

Glad that I didn't. It's miserable down here and I doubt a ball will be bowled
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 07, 2019, 07:02:56 PM
Hope the weather clears in Cardiff tomorrow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 10:09:53 AM
Blimey I know Moís form with the bat is bad, but Plunkett in for him does leave a long(albeit useful) tail.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 08, 2019, 10:18:10 AM
Blimey I know Moís form with the bat is bad, but Plunkett in for him does leave a long(albeit useful) tail.

I think with a small ground and a green tinged pitch then itís a good choice. Moeen could potentially have been carted to all corners. Plunkett is a wicket taker who should thrive in typically British conditions.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 11:17:20 AM
Great start this. Started sensible and now accelerating.

Weird there are lots of empty seats.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2019, 11:52:13 AM
Best hope for BD to restrict scoring is stick to spin for the next 30 overs if have have enough bowlers who can do that. Their medium pacers are going to take lot of punishment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 11:54:12 AM
Thatís come from nothing, but good platform set by the opening pair.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
Roy on the move now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 12:47:58 PM
Not the best knock from Root that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 01:05:31 PM
Christ, Roy is going bananas.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 01:06:15 PM
Out now though. Cracking knock.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 01:39:40 PM
Hope Buttlerís injury is only minor, heís clearly suffering a bit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 08, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Hope Buttlerís injury is only minor, heís clearly suffering a bit.

Bairstow is keeping wicket
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 07:33:45 PM
Good performance. Jofra was bowling rapid.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on June 08, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
Love watching England at present just hoping Woakesy gets back on form bowling - he's a more than decent batter and fielder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 08:16:09 PM
Yes he had a bad day with the ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on June 08, 2019, 08:24:18 PM
Just got back to Bristol from the game - largely excellent by England after Monday but got to say what a joke hosting international cricket at that sh@thole. 40 minutes to get in having arrived well before 10 so missed the start. WiFi goes down so cash only at the bar and no change available. No customer care attitude at all from the stewards. Wouldnít give them another fixture.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2019, 12:29:43 AM
I'm off to watch and support Sri Lanka on Saturday, at The Oval.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I'm off to watch and support Sri Lanka on Saturday, at The Oval.
It will be nice to see Aussies take 3 beatings this week starting with India today, Pakistan on Wednesday and hopefully with your support on Saturday against Sri Lanka.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
Zampa chucks so many pies it's untrue.  The Aussie bowling is poor once you see off Cummins and Starc, and even Starc blows hot and cold.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2019, 04:10:08 PM
Theyíve got to do something about these bails/stumps, itís bloody ridiculous.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 09, 2019, 06:49:15 PM
Theyíve got to do something about these bails/stumps, itís bloody ridiculous.

The light mechanism and sensors must have made them heavier. It really needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 09, 2019, 07:06:46 PM
Aussies lost that at the start of the innings.  Warner uncharacteristically slow and Finch's run out was costly.  Some Aussies saying it would have been better for them if the bail had come off.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 10, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
More quality time filling by TMS during the rain today. The fast bowling discussion between Tymal Mills and Sir Curtley was fascinating. I love to listen to their commentaries but they really do come into their own during enforced weather breaks.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2019, 08:11:51 AM
Mills has the potential to become a good commentator.

Another of the younger ones I like, is Rob Key
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2019, 04:06:50 PM
I'm off to watch and support Sri Lanka on Saturday, at The Oval.
It will be nice to see Aussies take 3 beatings this week starting with India today, Pakistan on Wednesday and hopefully with your support on Saturday against Sri Lanka.

Hope so!

Going with a Sri Lankan mate sand some of his friends.  Got a Sri Lankan top to wear and everything.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 13, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
The rain is killing this World Cup at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 13, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
Brilliant catch by Fran Wilson
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 13, 2019, 09:18:40 PM
The rain is killing this World Cup at the moment.

It is. I know its been a few days of persistant rain, but to not have back up days for the matches is a big mistake.

Not only for the teams, but also for the people who have paid for tickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on June 14, 2019, 08:43:27 AM
When's the Cricket World Cup restart?

It's getting really frustrating now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2019, 08:47:15 AM
Weather forecast for Southampton looks OK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637487
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
The rain is killing this World Cup at the moment.

It is. I know its been a few days of persistant rain, but to not have back up days for the matches is a big mistake.


I think that reserve days would be a logistical nightmare.

It would be possible if the format was two groups then a reserve day could be scheduled but in a round robin tournament it would be very difficult.

There are reserve days for the semis and final but not for the group stage.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on June 14, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
The rain is killing this World Cup at the moment.

It is. I know its been a few days of persistant rain, but to not have back up days for the matches is a big mistake.


I think that reserve days would be a logistical nightmare.

It would be possible if the format was two groups then a reserve day could be scheduled but in a round robin tournament it would be very difficult.

There are reserve days for the semis and final but not for the group stage.

The organisers have already given reasons why there are no reserve days and it is all down to the logistics of staging the games re staffing etc.

The weather has blown a hole in the momentum of the tournament this week, we should get a full match today with England and I hope the big one at Old Trafford doesn't get interrupted on Sunday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
Bowl first is an interesting choice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 10:27:32 AM
I don't ask much, but can we please have India vs Pakistan played to a finish on Sunday? Sick of this sodding weather.

And whoever chose to go with no reserve days should be sacked, hung, drawn and quartered. Then sacked again, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 14, 2019, 11:00:26 AM
Bollocks. Gayle dropped. Big moment which I hope we donít pay dearly for
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 11:34:05 AM
Two quick wickets including Gayle. I imagine Mark Wood will be buying Liam Plunkett's beer tonight.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 11:36:03 AM
Bollocks. Gayle dropped. Big moment which I hope we donít pay dearly for

Nope, got him pretty cheaply in the end and then added Hope as well so 55-3 after 13 and a bit, which is a very strong position.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 14, 2019, 11:38:48 AM
Phew. I just took a phone call and when I got back in the room they were 3 down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
We need a wicket here, theyíve already added 63 in about 11 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 12:30:30 PM
Looks pretty easy at the moment. Pitch looks a bit of a belter now after a little movement early on.

Rashid not offering any control is a bit of a worry
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 12:46:39 PM
Royís injury means that he wonít field for the remainder of the innings so canít open and will come in at 7.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 12:47:18 PM
Hetmyer was a big wicket there, if we can get another pretty quickly they'll have to be really careful to bat out and that'll keep the score down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 14, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
Just have !
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttttttt
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
Yep, big wicket that, I think they'll struggle to get 250 here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 12:52:24 PM
Royís injury means that he wonít field for the remainder of the innings so canít open and will come in at 7.

Thankfully seen just beyond the boundary rope, so injury cannot be too bad.

Easy game to rest him for against Afghanistan on Tuesday too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
So do we bump everyone up a place in the batting line up or have Buttler open with Bairstow?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 12:55:16 PM
Wouldn't give Root another over which may seem odd after hes got 2 wickets, but would want Wood or Archer going at Russell here
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
So do we bump everyone up a place in the batting line up or have Buttler open with Bairstow?

I'd go with Stokes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
So do we bump everyone up a place in the batting line up or have Buttler open with Bairstow?

Doesn't appear as though its going to be a huge total to chase, so I wouldn't open with Buttler. Just bump everyone up
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
Woakes should've taken that, I guess he lost it in the clouds.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
Two poor drops in this innings.

Definitely time to get a quick bowler on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2019, 01:03:31 PM
Russel looks in quite a bit of pain here.

poor drop by Woakes just before
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 01:06:14 PM
An over too far for Root.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 01:09:39 PM
Woakes makes up for his drop so it wasnít too costly. 188-6
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Now Morgan is off injured.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Two in two for Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 01:31:54 PM
95mph that from Archer. Simply has to be in the ashes team.

Injuries beyond a joke though. 2 innocous incidents. Thankfully Afghanistan and Sri Lanka are the next 2 games.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 01:33:12 PM
fantastic performance here but very costly with the injuries to Roy and Morgan. Bairstow and Stokes, then Root, Buttler, Woakes and Plunkett with Roy at 7 if needed and Morgan held back unless we get desperate, I think Morgan the captain is more important than Morgan the batsman for this England team (even though he's a fantastic batsman).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 01:55:06 PM
212 all out off 44.4 overs.

We can expect a barrage from their bowlers so if we bat sensibly then we should be untroubled. You never know what to expect from this Windies side, they have been a thorn in our side for a few years now and so Iím just cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 02:08:57 PM
Morgan went off with a back spasm and canít bat until 28 minutes into our innings.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 14, 2019, 02:11:56 PM
Just being a back spasm is a good sign for Morgan. Easily treated. Hopefully shouldn't be needed to bat today.


Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Sir Curtly isnít impressed with the standard of their bowling so far. I donít think Iíd risk incurring his displeasure!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
The combined figures for the 3 main quicks are spectacular today, 7-64 from 20.4 between them, starting with a brilliant opening spell from Woakes, then Wood came on and had a magic spell before Archer and Wood cleaned up the bottom half of their innings in short order. We got a bit expensive when those 3 weren't on but it was great attacking bowling by Plunkett and Root as well who took key wickets.

In the reply Root and Bairstow have started very well, playing some good shots and looking like a pairing who know they've got no scoreboard pressure on them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 03:43:07 PM
Woakes at 3, that's bold.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 03:52:45 PM
Woakes at 3, that's bold.

Heís not a bad batsman and has a test match hundred. I think he needs time out in the middle.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
Oh I agree, all I mean is that using this as a chance to him some time is a bold decision.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
Shame Woakes couldn't hang on to the finish but that's a very good 40 for a number 8 coming in early.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2019, 05:05:20 PM
This is an excellent display. Just got to hope Morgan and Roy are ok.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 05:14:57 PM
That was much easier than I anticipated.

When the Windies are good then theyíre brilliant, when theyíre bad then theyíre truly awful. Their body language in the field was poor and they seemed to give up very quickly. Even Jason Holder looked flat. They looked like they didnít want to be there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 05:19:27 PM
That was much easier than I anticipated.

When the Windies are good then theyíre brilliant, when theyíre bad then theyíre truly awful. Their body language in the field was poor and they seemed to give up very quickly. Even Jason Holder looked flat. They looked like they didnít want to be there.

I thought they looked up for it early in their own innings but the 2 Root wickets completely deflated them and they looked resigned to defeat after that. For me it was an exceptional bowling effort and then a simple, and highly professional batting performance, especially with 2 of the top 4 missing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2019, 06:10:29 PM
As I said, really good performance in what could have been a tough game. Those injuries just need to heal.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 14, 2019, 07:08:33 PM
It was an important win today. Given that we still have to play India, Australia and New Zealand, a defeat today would have made qualifying quite interesting, particularly when you factor in the weather and no results.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on June 14, 2019, 07:25:14 PM
I watch us a lot home and away and was worried today was going to be a real tough one especially having suffered one defeat already - but that was impressive - I accept the toss helped but had to say to my missus when Joe was going that weíre quite good at this game !
A little bit of a dilemma now with 2 ďlesserĒ games coming up whether to rest Roy and Morgan but need to avoid cock ups.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 08:08:16 PM
I watch us a lot home and away and was worried today was going to be a real tough one especially having suffered one defeat already - but that was impressive - I accept the toss helped but had to say to my missus when Joe was going that weíre quite good at this game !
A little bit of a dilemma now with 2 ďlesserĒ games coming up whether to rest Roy and Morgan but need to avoid cock ups.

I'd give them 1 game each I think and let Vince get a couple of matches.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on June 14, 2019, 08:15:22 PM
I watch us a lot home and away and was worried today was going to be a real tough one especially having suffered one defeat already - but that was impressive - I accept the toss helped but had to say to my missus when Joe was going that weíre quite good at this game !
A little bit of a dilemma now with 2 ďlesserĒ games coming up whether to rest Roy and Morgan but need to avoid cock ups.

I'd give them 1 game each I think and let Vince get a couple of matches.
I agree. Canít see Dawson getting too much action at the moment and wouldnít want Vince to be thrown into a knockout game with no cricket for a month. Overall I'm pretty confident though that we can win this thing!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2019, 08:22:37 PM
I watch us a lot home and away and was worried today was going to be a real tough one especially having suffered one defeat already - but that was impressive - I accept the toss helped but had to say to my missus when Joe was going that weíre quite good at this game !
A little bit of a dilemma now with 2 ďlesserĒ games coming up whether to rest Roy and Morgan but need to avoid cock ups.

I'd give them 1 game each I think and let Vince get a couple of matches.
I agree. Canít see Dawson getting too much action at the moment and wouldnít want Vince to be thrown into a knockout game with no cricket for a month. Overall I'm pretty confident though that we can win this thing!

Yeah, I'd have wanted Vince to get a couple of games regardless so it being an semi-enforced change doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
Nothing to do with the World Cup, but I read this fact today and quite liked it...

The New Zealand team Nelson played first-class cricket from 1874 to 1891. In both their first and last first-class innings they were dismissed for 111.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2019, 09:37:40 PM
As I said, really good performance in what could have been a tough game. Those injuries just need to heal.
Today England exercised proper control  in a match. This is the best result so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 14, 2019, 09:53:13 PM
I hope that Wood and Archer can stay fit.  They will murder the Aussies in the Ashes later in the summer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 15, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
This is pretty pedestrian by the Crims so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 12:38:01 PM
Mon Sri Lanka. I've always liked that cheating no ball bastard Malinga, honest.

Without Googling, does anyone know the capital of Sri Lanka? Clue: it's not Colombo.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Kandy?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
No, it's Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte, obviously 😕
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2019, 02:14:09 PM
Ah!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
Gone for Sri Lanka now sadly. Got a weak middle order.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
Shame. Was looking like a good finish up until a couple of wickets ago.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2019, 05:29:34 PM
Yeah the let Maxwell settle too much, which meant they were left taking risks when Starc and Cummins came back.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2019, 05:52:28 PM
I'd love Australia to collapse but in this specific case I'm fine with them winning, I really don't like Sri Lanka
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2019, 06:43:01 PM
Just heading back after watching Sri Lanka. The Aussies were pedestrian, and Sri Lanka started their batting on fire, but spin slowed them down then they started to throw their wickets away.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2019, 10:39:42 PM
Mon Sri Lanka. I've always liked that cheating no ball bastard Malinga, honest.
I have never ever understood why he is allowed to do what he does? Whatever it is it's not legal and not bowling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on June 15, 2019, 11:06:10 PM
Mon Sri Lanka. I've always liked that cheating no ball bastard Malinga, honest.
I have never ever understood why he is allowed to do what he does? Whatever it is it's not legal and not bowling.
Except that it is and it is.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 02:25:57 AM
He's a chucker.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2019, 09:21:16 AM
He's a chucker.

His elbow's not over-flexed and his arm is above the horizontal.

How's that chucking ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 16, 2019, 10:04:34 AM
Crowd at India Pakistan game are pretty vocal even at the toss. 100,000 ticket applications were made for this game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
Mon Pakistan. Can't stand India picking and choosing who they play tests against.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 10:38:27 AM
He's a chucker.

His elbow's not over-flexed and his arm is above the horizontal.

How's that chucking ?

The New York Yankees hat is a giveaway.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 10:41:52 AM
He's a chucker.

His elbow's not over-flexed and his arm is above the horizontal.

How's that chucking ?
Needs to bowl either overarm or underarm not chuck it like a stone. Should have been chucked out of the game a long time ago.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Crowd at India Pakistan game are pretty vocal even at the toss. 100,000 ticket applications were made for this game.
This from the BBC:
"It is one of sport's biggest games and bitterest rivalries which is likely to draw a global television audience of one billion.
More than 700,000 people applied for tickets to the game."
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
I can't remember Pakistan ever not being shit at fielding.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 11:22:04 AM
Looking like the PM was right, so far...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1140150828277387264
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 16, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
I love these occasions.  Tebbitt can go fuck himself.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
I can't remember Pakistan ever not being shit at fielding.
It's embedded historically in the team culture. They have dropped 8 catches so far in this WC matched by no one else but....shockingly England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
Looking like the PM was right, so far...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1140150828277387264
Yes he was and Sarfraz has messed up his decision making in every match so far. However PM has really lit the fire  by referring to his players as "Raillu Kattas". Loosely translated as aimless wandering buffalo calf and is used offensively to describe a wasteful young man.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 04:06:35 PM
Wondered what that was. Though he might be some bits and pieces bowler I've never heard of.

Sadly, this looks like a non-contest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Scotland would have put up more of a fight.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2019, 07:24:28 PM
It was going to be a deserved win for India in any case but DLS is hilarious. 170 needed off 15 overs is reset to 129 needed off 30 balls...WTF!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 16, 2019, 07:32:03 PM
Cricket or specifically the ICC really does shoot itself in the foot sometimes. The cynic in me thinks that they went back out to appease the Asian TV networks and the quoted global audience of 1 billion. They should have shook hands and called it a day.

The ICC bowed to commercial pressures.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2019, 09:41:37 PM
Looking like the PM was right, so far...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1140150828277387264
Yes he was and Sarfraz has messed up his decision making in every match so far. However PM has really lit the fire  by referring to his players as "Raillu Kattas". Loosely translated as aimless wandering buffalo calf and is used offensively to describe a wasteful young man.

A commentator earlier, sorry canít remember which one, said that PM IK had spoken to the team pre-WC and said that pace bowling and taking wickets was key to success in England. They ignored him and went for spinners and just trying to stop runs.

Coaches and captain might want to take a long vacation before returning home.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
Looking like the PM was right, so far...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1140150828277387264
Yes he was and Sarfraz has messed up his decision making in every match so far. However PM has really lit the fire  by referring to his players as "Raillu Kattas". Loosely translated as aimless wandering buffalo calf and is used offensively to describe a wasteful young man.

A commentator earlier, sorry canít remember which one, said that PM IK had spoken to the team pre-WC and said that pace bowling and taking wickets was key to success in England. They ignored him and went for spinners and just trying to stop runs.

Coaches and captain might want to take a long vacation before returning home.

Bloody Hell, mate. You've gone native.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
Wow that was a wonderful win by Bangladesh and has really set this World Cup alight. Shakib is a brilliant batsman.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2019, 07:01:40 PM
On Pakistan and Imran Khan he is of course correct  but there are no worries if players return home without reaching the KO stages except Micky Arthur probably would be on his last flight to Islamabad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2019, 07:29:43 PM
The Windies are a poor imitation of the side they were even just 2 years ago. How can a side beat Pakistan so comprehensively then turn in such abject performances against England and then Bangladesh? It is incredible.

It seems that this is a tournament too far for Gayle and the logic of selecting Andre Russell when heís no more than 50% fit is questionable.

I grew up admiring the way the Windies played cricket, itís sad that they are such a poor side now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
Itís a tough listen, but Tuffers and Vaughan with Robin Smith last night is a powerful listen. Really stirring stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 11:16:37 AM
England haven't had the best of starts, Bairstow looking uncharacteristically contained, Vince was trying to be aggressive but went for 26. With Nabi and Khan to come in I'd have liked a few more on the board from the first powerplay.

53-1 from 11.3
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 11:38:38 AM
Slow going at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 12:36:29 PM
Still think we'll push on for 300ish here, to stop England scoring big in the last few overs you have to get early wickets, if we have 7-8 in hand going into the last 20 we'll go full t20 and smash it around, it's why we've been so consistent in getting big scores in the last few years.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 12:38:21 PM
I reckon 330-340 is on here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 12:39:05 PM
Morgan has come out with some intent, good to see his back doing ok.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 12:55:44 PM
Great to see them attack Rashid Khan, he's a very dangerous bowler but has, at times, shown that he can get flustered if teams target him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
This is brilliant from Morgan.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 01:23:41 PM
What a bloody century that is from Morgan. Incredible.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 01:32:24 PM
This is carnage now, Rashid Khan has completely lost the plot.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Colhint on June 18, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
Anyone else think the Afghans look like they are playing in kids spidermans outfits?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
Good fucking lord.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
That was one of the most insane knocks Iíve ever seen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
Handy for Mo to get a couple of big hits in as well, get him a bit of form back.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
The worst thing is
Slow going at the moment.
this was very true at the time and you'd have looked at the score then and thought 300-320 was a good score, getting near to 400 from there is insane.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 02:19:56 PM
The last 20 overs were just nuts.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 18, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Violent hitting by Morgan.

One of these days a top order batsman will bat for most of the overs and score 200 plus and his team score nearly 500.

As long as (a) heís English and (b) we do it against the Crims in the final.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 04:22:44 PM
Violent hitting by Morgan.

One of these days a top order batsman will bat for most of the overs and score 200 plus and his team score nearly 500.

As long as (a) heís English and (b) we do it against the Crims in the final.

Imagine if it had been Buttler at his best at the other end for 20 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 18, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Violent hitting by Morgan.

One of these days a top order batsman will bat for most of the overs and score 200 plus and his team score nearly 500.

As long as (a) heís English and (b) we do it against the Crims in the final.

Imagine if it had been Buttler at his best at the other end for 20 overs.

That would be something to see.

I donít actually think it will happen in this tournament where the pitches are prepared to ICC instructions/specifications.

Itís more likely to happen in an international series next summer when we prepare the pitches without outside governance.

Edit Iíve just looked at the schedule for next summer, we are playing the Crims in a 3 game ODI series next year so we might do it against them!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 04:37:25 PM
That was a nasty bouncer, batsman hopefully is ok.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 04:44:10 PM
That was a nasty bouncer, batsman hopefully is ok.

brilliant delivery to be fair but yes, nasty contact, it shows why helmets are so important though. Thankfully he looks shaken but ok to carry on. I wouldn't want Wood to change his bowling though, he's got them really rattled here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 18, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
That was a nasty bouncer, batsman hopefully is ok.

brilliant delivery to be fair but yes, nasty contact, it shows why helmets are so important though. Thankfully he looks shaken but ok to carry on. I wouldn't want Wood to change his bowling though, he's got them really rattled here.

Heís batting on so heís a courageous individual. I thought that the rules are now that you automatically go off in these circumstances so you can be checked over by the medics.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Jonny B not having best day in the field.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
Bowling has gone off the boil a bit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 18, 2019, 05:17:20 PM
Bit disappointing that we are just going through the motions in the field.

Game is of course well won, but we shouldn't have let our intensity drop like this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:22:10 PM
Bit disappointing that we are just going through the motions in the field.

Game is of course well won, but we shouldn't have let our intensity drop like this.

No itís been a bit flat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:26:00 PM
Root is clearly struggling with his back, not sure why heís fielding.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
Although he just caught that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 18, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
Root is clearly struggling with his back, not sure why heís fielding.

At the end of our innings he was stood by the dressing room door to greet Ali and Woakes. He was wearing some sort of back support over his kit. It looked like one of those Slendertone stomach toners!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
The 2 drops by Bairstow (who would take both of them 9 times out of 10) are why this seems a bit flat, they were both at pretty important times and have let them build partnerships.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2019, 05:53:22 PM
Yeah I mean Iím not going hammer them for dropping intensity when theyíve won by a mile. They just to make sure it doesnít bleed into games where it matters.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 18, 2019, 07:59:06 PM
That's the easy games out of the way.  New Zealand, India, Australia and Sri Lanka to come.  Good to build up a head of steam.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 19, 2019, 12:07:03 AM
That's the easy games out of the way.  New Zealand, India, Australia and Sri Lanka to come.  Good to build up a head of steam.

I'd say Sri Lanka are the 2nd weakest side in the competition.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
It seems fine to me outside. Bring back the Brumbrella.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2019, 07:44:45 PM
Cracking game here, and Harry Potter's just come out to bat for New Zealand.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
Specsist.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 19, 2019, 08:42:15 PM
I enjoyed that game. For all your big total plays big total games, sometimes low scoring games are better.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 19, 2019, 10:24:45 PM
Yes. Spent the day at Edgbaston today. This was a great old fashioned  one day game. South Africa failed because they had no breaks going in their favour and did not grab the chances that came their way. Miller was guilty of messing up and  Du Plessis's reluctance to review was a significant factor as Williamson could have gone long before he won it for the Kiwis.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: four fornicholl on June 20, 2019, 04:43:12 PM
Getting home from work to the cricket is ace!!!!!
Come on Bangla!!!!!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
Women's cricket added to Brum 2022. Good news, that. Hopefully a step towards Olympic cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 20, 2019, 06:32:31 PM
Bangladesh play without fear which is really refreshing to see.

The Crims front line bowlers like Starc are excellent but the back up are a bit meh. With a little luck they could win this and the Crims will flounder.

Come on Bangladesh!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 21, 2019, 01:59:22 PM
Sri Lanka finish on 232-9 off the 50 overs, England should cruise it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2019, 03:18:19 PM
Sri Lanka finish on 232-9 off the 50 overs, England should cruise it.

Should do but Sri Lanka do have a couple of really awkward bowlers and it's already hurt us. We're no rush here and just need Root and Morgan to bat sensibly and build a partnership. They can only win by bowling us out so we just need to not let that happen, we really can't afford to fuck this one up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 21, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
144-5, this is going to be tight.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2019, 05:36:04 PM
This has been a dreadful effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 21, 2019, 05:50:19 PM
Yeah really really poor. For as good as we are, we still have this performance in us at least once a series/tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on June 21, 2019, 05:54:51 PM
Aliís dismissal was pathetic. Heíd hit the ball before for six and decided to do the same again. There was no run rate pressure yet he still went for another six when there was absolutely no need.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2019, 05:56:17 PM
Shameful stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Theyíve never got this sort of shit show of a performance out of their system.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 21, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
Both teams on the brink of victory, a great game to watch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 21, 2019, 06:10:14 PM
Woods nicks it as Stokes looked like he could win the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
That was shit from England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 21, 2019, 06:14:01 PM
Yep. With the 3 toughest matches to come a semi final spot not assured yet.

Just poor batting from the majority. Needlessly giving wickets away.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on June 21, 2019, 06:23:26 PM
Shocking from England, Moeen once again gave his wicket away. Some call Malinga a chucker, he's not, today he was superb.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ashkar on June 21, 2019, 07:13:23 PM
jokers who call malinga a chucker have no idea about cricket.
mans a legend, with a pot belly, past his best and still comes trumps in the big moments. he enjoys the big moments

england though when the pressure is on, seems to wilt. should make the semis though. India Aus firm fav to win the tourney though
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
Whacked 20 quid on Sri Lanka to win when they were 12s early on in the innings. Thought it was worth a punt when they'd already taken two wickets.

Ben Stokes spraying 6s all round the ground panicked me into cashing out (England only need 21 to win at that point). Two balls later all over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2019, 08:25:40 AM
Basically thatís two close games weíve been involved in in this World Cup and weíve lost both. Stupid batting from far too many and now weíre pretty much at knockout cricket.

We need to be a hell of a lot better.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
Out solution to every problem seems to be hit your way out of it.

India struggled today, could be an even bigger upset.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 02:50:48 PM
Mon the Afghans.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 05:43:22 PM
Think that might be game India. 😕
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2019, 05:49:26 PM
Yup now that it's more than run a ball. Shame.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 22, 2019, 07:42:05 PM
Good fight by the Afghans. I'm going to Pakistan v Afghanistan next week. Doesn't look like they'll be anything riding on it but a close game would be nice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2019, 09:52:18 PM
Brilliant end to the Windies New Zealand game. Windies one foot away from the most unlikely victory of the tournament. Best day of the competition so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: luke:lamf on June 22, 2019, 09:58:27 PM
I just checked in with the result as I turned off when Gayle holed out. Gutted I gave up at that point, it sounded like an amazing finish.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 23, 2019, 12:08:05 PM
Basically thatís two close games weíve been involved in in this World Cup and weíve lost both. Stupid batting from far too many and now weíre pretty much at knockout cricket.

We need to be a hell of a lot better.

In fairness we probably only need to win one of our last 3 games to get into the semi finals.

We do have that sort of batting performance in us once a series/tournament, but we have been the best batting unit in the competition despite the last game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2019, 12:12:18 PM
Imran Tahir celebrations are a bit over the top. I wonder how he will behave if SA ever win the WC?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2019, 12:17:15 PM
Out solution to every problem seems to be hit your way out of it.

India struggled today, could be an even bigger upset.
India struggled and won the game England lost both games where they were challenged. Not good.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 23, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
Out solution to every problem seems to be hit your way out of it.

India struggled today, could be an even bigger upset.
India struggled and won the game England lost both games where they were challenged. Not good.

Indeed itís about dealing with pressure. Thus far we havenít.

Still with the three remaining group provide an opportunity to make a statement. Time for it to be positive, and importantly time for us to play with some brain power.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 23, 2019, 07:43:51 PM
Looks like Roy could easily be back for Tuesday. Massive if so. Vince is talented, but hes more of a: gorgeous boundary, gorgeous boundary, nick behind sort of guy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
Looks like Roy could easily be back for Tuesday. Massive if so. Vince is talented, but hes more of a: gorgeous boundary, gorgeous boundary, nick behind sort of guy.

As a few people have said Vince's biggest problem is that his strongest shot is also his weakest, a good cover drive from him is absolutely text book but if he misjudges it too often and edges to slip. He'd be a dream to set a field to because you put you 2 best fielders at extra cover and first slip and bowl slightly full at 5th stump. Add a couple of extra fielders on the offside and he'll barely score and always be at risk.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2019, 12:02:29 PM
Is it me or does every other game seem to be at the bloody Rose Bowl?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
We need to win tomorrow and I liked Morganís interview today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 12:54:05 AM
So far we've had one poor bowling performance against Pakistan, and one poor batting performance against Sri Lanka.

Put together a reasonable all round effort and we should beat the Aussies
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 07:26:22 AM
We should, but the pressure is on now and pressure situations are where weíve failed in this World Cup. We most likely need to win two of the last three to be certain.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 25, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Roy still out. Bugger.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on June 25, 2019, 11:13:25 AM
Australia have some very dangerous players so itís not ideal that weíve not taken a wicket in the first 10 overs. They have a platform for their middle order. The fuckers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 11:22:54 AM
Bowled poorly, way too short. Been a little bit of seam when fuller.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 11:28:28 AM
Only positive to look at is the pitch is only going to get better to bat on as the day goes on.

Thats clutching at straws though, as at the moment we appear to be wilting under the pressure
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
Looks like we are gonna be chasing well over 350
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 12:06:34 PM
This is looking really bad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
Itís the type of situation where we collapse for nothing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
Khawaja in now so that should slow them down to 3 an over. Trick is to keep him there rather than Smith coming in too early.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 25, 2019, 12:39:47 PM
England will lose this today, the big moments they're not taking their chances. Poor missed stumping.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 12:43:15 PM
Really awful bowling and fielding performance. Starc and Cummins will not be so generous when we bat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 12:51:16 PM
Weíre staring down the barrel in our own World Cup here. They need to pull something special out of the bag in the remaining 65 overs of this game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
It's clearly not been a great innings so far but I don't think it's been awful, we could do with some more wickets but we've not let them really get going, every time they've tried to put their foot down we've had an over or 2 to slow it down again. They have the wickets in hand to be able to go really aggressive but at least they're not doing it with a massive score already up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 25, 2019, 01:03:47 PM
Let's get the cheating, sniveling cock boy Smith out now and we can get back on top.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 01:59:39 PM
Theyíve dragged it back, but this pitch is slow. I think this score is decent and itíll take some chasing. We need to bat smart.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
It's clearly not been a great innings so far but I don't think it's been awful, we could do with some more wickets but we've not let them really get going, every time they've tried to put their foot down we've had an over or 2 to slow it down again. They have the wickets in hand to be able to go really aggressive but at least they're not doing it with a massive score already up.

Don't like quoting myself but as I said what we did well was make scoring difficult so they've been playing catch-up in the last 20 and it's seen them giving wickets away cheaply. When Khawaja and then Finch went they'd have had in their mind that they need to score at 9-10 an over for the rest of the innings and, with new batsmen at both ends, it's created the pressure that's led to the wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
It's clearly not been a great innings so far but I don't think it's been awful, we could do with some more wickets but we've not let them really get going, every time they've tried to put their foot down we've had an over or 2 to slow it down again. They have the wickets in hand to be able to go really aggressive but at least they're not doing it with a massive score already up.

Don't like quoting myself but as I said what we did well was make scoring difficult so they've been playing catch-up in the last 20 and it's seen them giving wickets away cheaply. When Khawaja and then Finch went they'd have had in their mind that they need to score at 9-10 an over for the rest of the innings and, with new batsmen at both ends, it's created the pressure that's led to the wickets.

I think they are a bit like New Zealand Paul in that the top end batsmen and frontline bowlers are top drawer, but there is a dip in quality once you get past them. 

That said, it is still a score that will take some chasing and not having Roy at the top of the innings (and also not having Hales as a replacement) weakens us. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 02:10:36 PM
Dragged it back well. Australia really should have got 340 plus from the platform they had.

That being said, we bowled poorly first up with no where near enough balls in the right area when there was movement. Fielding a concern too.

If it wasn't a WC match, I'd back us to knock these off 90% of the time. Added pressure and I can see us buckling again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 25, 2019, 02:22:28 PM
We've done well to be chasing below 300 given our start. But the last two times we have been chasing we haven't done well. All to play for.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2019, 02:37:47 PM
Fucking hell Vince.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
Not a great shot but to be fair it was a beauty of a delivery. Again though it's Vince going trying to drive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 02:43:31 PM
We need a good performance from Bairstow here. He was superb in the warm up games but hasn't quite hit that level in the tournament, yet.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 02:43:42 PM
Great start....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
Shock horror! Opening bowlers pitch it up in helpful conditions and get rewards.

Shows how woeful Woakes and Archer were first up.

Need a miracle now
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
Fucking woeful, here we go.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
We really needed Root to stick around but regardless the key here is hang in for the first 10-15 overs and then not get bogged down in the middle overs. If Morgan and Bairstow can stick together for a while we can still get back into this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 02:59:23 PM
Get a fucking partnership going you useless bastards. Weíre in this position because we bottled it against Sri Lanka, itís time to show some character.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
Fuck my old boots, 26-3.  There's never been a side like the England cricket team for letting you down when they're expected to do well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
Shameful. Top order has completely bombed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2019, 03:08:32 PM
This isn't looking good 😕

Looks like we will be all out by five, so much for my plan to watch it on the buzz.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 03:11:04 PM
Awful shot from morgan, ablosutely no need to do something stupid like that
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Itís fucking dense batting. Why can England not play the situation? We need an incredible effort from here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: shirley_villan on June 25, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Fucking bottle jobs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 03:20:30 PM
Vince and Root got good deliveries. The sort of deliveries we should have been bowling first up.

Morgans shot however, was pathetic.

Hard to see how we can beat India or NZ (prob need to win both) on this evidence. No character when the pressure is on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Bit early to write the obituary for this game just yet, as Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler are capable of the kind of innings needed to save us from here.  Big ask though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
Stokes and Bairstow need to get the vast majority of the runs if weíre going to get anywhere near. Starting on this pitch is a nightmare.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Good work Jonny...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 25, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
Throwing our World Cup away.  Crap shot from Bairstow and what is it with these Aussies in the commentary box?  Fuck off you sanctimonious cheating scum bastards.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
Stokes and Bairstow need to get the vast majority of the runs if weíre going to get anywhere near. Starting on this pitch is a nightmare.

Not sure about the vast majority, it's more that we needed a big partnership, but with Bairstow going has probably done us, horrible batting performance so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 03:45:30 PM
That was a fucking c*** shot from Bairstow
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 25, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Showing them winning the 1987 World Cup now!!  What is the matters with us?  Roll over and take it up the shufty.  Fucking show some mettle England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
Itís fucking pathetic. How dense are these players? Weíre finished here, weíll be lucky to get 150.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
OK time for Stoksy and Butters to show their massiveness.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 04:15:05 PM
This has the makings of a decent partnership so far, they've been sensible early on and are keeping us in the game for now but we really can't afford any mistakes now and at some point in the next 10 overs we need to start thinking about the scoring rate.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 04:44:18 PM
And thats about that.

Can't see Moeen getting any runs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
Well done Buttler, thatís the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 04:48:47 PM
yep, probably done, I won't blame Buttler though really, he's only marginally out on that shot for me and it took a very good catch. We're also at the point where we did need to take a few more risks, this game will be lost on the 4 early wickets, Morgan and Bairstow in particular seemed to just lose their heads.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2019, 04:49:31 PM
Well done Buttler, thatís the game.

Head saying the same, but heart saying that if Stokes can go big, there might still be enough to chip in around him.  Looking increasingly unlikely though.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 05:14:38 PM
If England had 6-7 wickets in hand we'd win from here, the ball is doing very little now, it's why it was so poor to give away cheap wickets early on, that was always going to be the most dangerous part of the reply and we're fluffed it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Canít deal with those. Well played Ben, youíve been let down by your team mates again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on June 25, 2019, 05:27:47 PM
Can’t deal with those. Well played Ben, you’ve been let down by your team mates again.

Yep a top delivery, well batted Stokes
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 25, 2019, 05:28:49 PM
See if Moeen can contribute something this world cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 05:29:01 PM
Brilliant delivery to be honest, not much Stokes could do about that one. Is does look like we're just going to fall short but can't fault Stokes, he's done a great job at keeping us in the game, now lets see if Moeen can put in a performance that has been eluding him. We all know that this is long batting line up but we need them to step up and show they can save a game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 05:31:36 PM
Only absolutely top number 1,2 or 3 batsmen can  cope with that sort of delivery.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
Apart from Stokes, we've been comprehensively outplayed in every single department.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 25, 2019, 05:41:17 PM
Rubbish.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 05:48:47 PM
Gutless performance Stokes aside.

Bowled really poorly for the first half of their innings, and in turn showed the Aussies precisely the length to bowl.

Then poor shots from the middle order when we couldn't afford to lose a wicket.

Feel this slump is irreversable now. We have been paralysed by the pressure and its only going to get worse
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: aj2k77 on June 25, 2019, 05:50:35 PM
Unable to chase a target again. Can't handle pressure.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on June 25, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Too many nice little cameos from England.  Poor shot selection and fantastic fielding from the cheats.  Got to do it the hard way now and beat India and hope that New Zealand don't choke against Pakistan.  Today might have been offset a little had Villa signed some bugger!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 25, 2019, 06:06:23 PM
Its felt inevitable since we failed to chase the easy target against Sri Lanka. We should have won a minimum of 5 out of our first 6 games.

Now we've put tons of pressure on ourselves, and I just can't see enough players standing up to be counted in the last two games.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2019, 06:18:06 PM
Gutless performance Stokes aside.

Bowled really poorly for the first half of their innings, and in turn showed the Aussies precisely the length to bowl.

Then poor shots from the middle order when we couldn't afford to lose a wicket.

Feel this slump is irreversable now. We have been paralysed by the pressure and its only going to get worse

Had a nagging feeling for months that we might have peaked a bit too early for the World Cup and that the tournament would see us fade away.  We are looking a bit shot at this point.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 06:28:39 PM
Dross. Weíve scored sub 230 in two games.

Pathetic batting with the exception of Stokes (again). Least itís simple now, win or youíre gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 25, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
Looks like we'll go out with a whimper and the Aussies will win the sodding thing. Twas ever thus.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
If we donít make the semiís this would be one of Englandís poorest efforts at a World Cup. Given our position and the set up of the tournament it would be a shocking effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 06:42:23 PM
Those other players should look at Stokes. He is standing up under pressure and the others arenít.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2019, 06:54:32 PM
I think losing Roy and not having Hales as a backup option has fucked us a lot more than might have been expected. Roy going out strong from the start and getting us a solid start has played a huge part in us being the team we've seen for the last couple of years. Not having that explosive start has totally changed the team dynamic and we look lost. I can take the Pakistan defeat, that was the sort of game that will happen sometimes but the last 2 games we've been awful with the bat with key batsmen playing stupid shots when they just needed to be sensible, the Bairstow one today was a particularly awful shot, trying to hit one that far outside off for a leg side 6 was just rank decision making given the match situation. Morgan was really disappointing as well, you'd expect better from him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2019, 07:38:45 PM
I agree I was just thinking Hales missing with Vince as the replacement has created a massive whole.

Iím not overly keen on Bairstowís mentality, heís too frenetic when pressure comes on. The fact he went out with two left handed gloves against Sri Lanka is indicative of that. Once he loses clarity of thought heís pretty poor.

Iíll be stunned if we turn this round now, this has all the hallmarks of previous World Cup disasters.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 09:41:31 PM
Key match tomorrow. NZ need to beat Pakistan and it will help England and confirm their own qualification.
Bangla Desh will not win their remaining two games so they will finish on 8 points.
Sri Lanka will win two and lose 1 finishing on 10 points. If England do not win both matches they could still go through as  NRR is good. 
So I think England will qualify for the semi by beating either India or New Zealand.

England   India (30 June) New Zealand (3 July)

Bangladesh   India (2 July) Pakistan (5 July)   

Sri Lanka     South Africa (28 June) West Indies (1 July) India (6 July)

Pakistan    New Zealand (26 June)   Afghanistan (29 June) Bangladesh (5 July)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2019, 09:43:33 PM
FYI from CRICINFO:
League Stage
In the event of teams finishing on equal points
* The team with the most wins in the League Stage will be placed in the higher position.
* If there are teams with equal points and equal wins in the League Stage then in such case the teams will be ordered according to their net run rate in the League Stage matches.
* If there are teams that are still equal, they will be ordered according to the result(s) of the head to head match(es) played between them (points, then if still equal, net run rate in those matches).
* If the above does not resolve the League Stage ordering and there are teams that are still equal, the teams will be ordered as per their League Stage seedings.
* If all matches in the League Stage produce no results the teams will be ordered as per their League Stage seedings and the top 4 seeded teams will progress to Semi-Finals.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on June 25, 2019, 10:14:50 PM
Vince is rubbish. Nowhere near the quality of Roy and Hales. Why do they keep picking him? He'll never be good enough.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on June 26, 2019, 01:12:11 AM
Absolute Hollywood player. A couple of flashy cover drives for the cameras and nicks off. Hasnít adapted his game or shot selection.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2019, 01:34:02 AM
I think losing Roy and not having Hales as a backup option has fucked us a lot more than might have been expected. Roy going out strong from the start and getting us a solid start has played a huge part in us being the team we've seen for the last couple of years. Not having that explosive start has totally changed the team dynamic and we look lost. I can take the Pakistan defeat, that was the sort of game that will happen sometimes but the last 2 games we've been awful with the bat with key batsmen playing stupid shots when they just needed to be sensible, the Bairstow one today was a particularly awful shot, trying to hit one that far outside off for a leg side 6 was just rank decision making given the match situation. Morgan was really disappointing as well, you'd expect better from him.

Agree Paul and it has given our batting order a sense of vulnerability, which is an uncomfortable feeling no matter what level of cricket you are playing at. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on June 26, 2019, 02:54:09 AM
The bottom line is their confidence looks gone which is what got them through games in the last 12 months. I think they're a busted flush now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: simboy on June 26, 2019, 06:25:24 AM
I think that the idea of winning the toss and batting second after losing against Sri Lanka was a poor decision by Morgan. The old adage of win the toss, think about bowling, have a chat with the senior bowler offering them the choice of ends, sort out the field in your own mind for the first three overs, get the bowling boots on and then choose to bat holds fast here.

From what i have read and heard the pitches have been prepared slightly differently under instruction from the ICC than if the EWCB were ordering the preparation. They are apparently drier, therefore going to deteriorate more at the back end of a game. Chasing totals therefore becomes more difficult without the scoreboard pressure and yesterday possibly showed that.

I appreciate that had Woakes had a little more luck, the Aussies could have been 30/3 but in the end Warner and Finch gritted it out and built a platform. The total of 289 put extra pressure on the top order [highest total chased at Lords in a World Cup etc etc]. Extra pressure on an already slightly fragile side which could have been avoided.

Of course we may still have lost and ... Vince is mince


 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 26, 2019, 12:27:42 PM
Not sure I agree we should have batted first yesterday.

We had good conditions to bowl in and we messed it up big time. If we'd have bowled adequately the Aussies would have been at least a couple of wickets down by the end of the powerplay.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Looks like NZ are going to get done here, that wouldnít be ideal.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 26, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
England definitely in a spot of bother, looks like Pakistan will beat NZ.

Pray for Roy to be back, as Vince is a walking wicket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2019, 04:22:30 PM
Confidence can be a fragile thing in sport but I honestly think Roy coming back will see a massive turn-around, we've become so reliant on putting teams on the backfoot in the first 10 that we look like we don't know what to do if that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
I tell you what this pitch absolutely terrifies me when I consider us playing India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2019, 06:48:38 PM
Pakistan showing how you manage a run chase.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 26, 2019, 06:54:09 PM
I tell you what this pitch absolutely terrifies me when I consider us playing India.

Gonna be a red hot atmosphere too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2019, 06:56:48 PM
It will be. Iíve seen various interviews with England players saying they wonít take a backward step, theyíre still a good side and the last two games donít change that. Ok, then go out and prove it in the remaining games, the talk means nothing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 26, 2019, 07:20:02 PM
That's right, really need to step up and finally perform. If we have to chase a big score,  it's gonna be a long afternoon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2019, 08:00:37 PM
Spent another day at Edgbaston today. A terrific game of cricket and fully agree with those of you worried about Sunday. New Zealand spinners were turning it sideways. Pakistan had the patiences and skill and a reasonable low score to take their time and win the game. England donít play spin anywhere near as well as Pakistan.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 27, 2019, 11:21:30 AM
It will be. Iíve seen various interviews with England players saying they wonít take a backward step, theyíre still a good side and the last two games donít change that. Ok, then go out and prove it in the remaining games, the talk means nothing.

Paul Farbrace was on The Debate after the Australia game and was saying the same.  Didn't criticise any of the players and was saying things like "if it had gone ten more yards it would have been six and not caught on the boundary". 

The fact is that we have poorly managed two achievable run chases because we seem unable to adapt to circumstances and conditions.     
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2019, 11:38:59 AM
It will be. Iíve seen various interviews with England players saying they wonít take a backward step, theyíre still a good side and the last two games donít change that. Ok, then go out and prove it in the remaining games, the talk means nothing.

Paul Farbrace was on The Debate after the Australia game and was saying the same.  Didn't criticise any of the players and was saying things like "if it had gone ten more yards it would have been six and not caught on the boundary". 

The fact is that we have poorly managed two achievable run chases because we seem unable to adapt to circumstances and conditions.     

In terms of Buttler I agree with what he said, there really wasn't much wrong with him taking the shot on and he only got it slightly wrong. The mistakes came earlier, with Morgan and Bairstow playing braindead shots and Vince showing, yet again, that he's not good enough (despite looking like he should be).

That said I'm glad that a coach isn't coming out and criticising the players in public, address it in private, give players things to work on and consider and then present a "we're still no1 in the world" front in public.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 05:28:03 PM
India are going like a stream train. Time for someone to dampen their fire. Come on England...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2019, 05:36:18 PM
Iím pretty worried about the India game, our level is going to have to shoot up.

On Farbrace I find him a bit tedious as a pundit, particularly in respect of England. Unsurprisingly since heís only just left the set up he doesnít say anything remotely critical. Itís all a bit meh and on the company line.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2019, 06:13:43 PM
Surely India will chuck the England game to shaft Pakistan?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
Fabrace is annoyingly spinning it upbeat and  blurting  blind adoration. I just couldnít listen to him after Australian defeat. Too much froth and not enough substance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2019, 09:12:40 PM
Surely India will chuck the England game to shaft Pakistan?
But would India want to play England in the semi final😉
At the match yesterday I could swear the two Kiwi fielders were smiling when Haris split them with another fab cover drive! I turned around and said to my friend there is no way they want England in the SF.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2019, 06:37:43 AM
I see Bairstow has now come out complaining about Pietersen and Vaughan Ďwaiting for England to failí and how weíre Ďplaying a great brand of cricketí. Well firstly the last two games have been anything but a great brand, and Iíd recommend less talk and get on with winning the next two games.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on June 28, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Agreed, it betrays a mindset of negatively and fear. Minds need to be 100% on the job so the outside noise becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2019, 01:23:16 PM
When asked if match against India was a big game our Jonny mumbled something like ď may be it isĒ FFS JB it is a big big match. Lose it and qualification is not in your hands.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2019, 05:10:29 PM
Quite, and whilst itís doing us a favour South Africa battering Sri Lanka is showing quite how terrible our result was.

I have no problem with England staying positive, but donít get salty when youíre criticised after the last two displays. Hold your hands up and admit you performed poorly.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on June 28, 2019, 06:06:50 PM
Sounds like the england teamís motivational coach is Steven Gerrard.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 08:56:35 AM
I'll be at Headingley today cheering on the Afghans.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 09:48:22 AM
Yes come on Afghanistan, spring an upset!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
As an aside I see Buttler came out with a much more measured response than Bairstow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 10:54:54 AM
Oh well, looks like weíll need to win both!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
I don't think that is a winning score. Afghanistan not good enough at batting, none of their players look capable of getting big scores. Have they even got a 50 all tournament?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
NZ also showing why us getting battered by Aus was embarrassing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
Afghanistan bowling well here but still reckon Pakistan will nick it
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2019, 05:22:14 PM
Afghanistan bowling well here but still reckon Pakistan will nick it

I think things have changed a bit since you posted this, looking like a fantastic last half hour here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 05:27:18 PM
Yep, Afghanistan's to lose now
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2019, 05:38:04 PM
Hold your horses!  :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 05:39:17 PM
Tense stuff here!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: four fornicholl on June 29, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
Captain wanted the glory, fucked it, never mind, well done Afghanistan.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
Bloody Gulbadin!

Right then pressure on England. Donít choke please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
hell of a finish but that over going for 18 was the difference, unlucky for Afghanistan, they're not quite ready to truly compete against the bigger sides but the gap is pretty tiny now, especially if they get anything out of the pitch for the spinners.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 29, 2019, 06:43:00 PM
With a bit of calm and professionalism they could have beaten India and Pakistan. That over was the difference.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 29, 2019, 07:25:53 PM
Yes Gulbadin Naib captaincy has gone to your head and made you incapable of thinking straight. You and your counterpart Sarfraz Ahmed must be very close together for the worst skipper of tournament award.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 29, 2019, 07:27:18 PM
But another great match nonetheless.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 01:06:32 AM
Just having a wee browse of Twitter and theres a load of videos of Afghans attacking Pakistani fans before and during the game?! Never seen the like at the cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 30, 2019, 08:41:54 AM
There was a fight near us which seemed to take a long time to be broken up. I saw one person in army fatigues (?) get escorted out about 10 minutes later when I went to the loo. It did make me think that the police presence there is at football games would have nipped it in the bud a lot quicker. There were also a number of occasions reminiscent of those days in the Holte where an away fan has been noticed  (I.e. loads of people standing up and watching the crowd instead of the game but no idea what's actually happening). Overall it wasn't an unpleasant atmosphere despite this. I wouldn't read too much into the pitch invasion at the end, may not happen as often these days but was just exuberance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
Get a huge winning score please England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:26:54 AM
Afghan fans are a little bit over exuberant but there is never any real venom at cricket grounds. Fans can manage to get through peacefully sitting side by side when India and Pakistan play so that's a fair test of acceptance.
There is a market in Kabul where you can pick up Army uniform of any country you like including US, UK and even North Korea.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
England batting first. This is the best move and I predict a win is on it's way.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
Come on lads build a platform, get a massive score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 10:53:53 AM
Getting lucky Jonny, make it count.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 10:58:06 AM
Pitch looking a bit more suited to us today.  Bairstow looked a bit shaky so far but just hit a nice boundary off the spinner. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 11:02:12 AM
Thereís some slightly uneven bounce.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 11:03:27 AM
Bumrah is fucking tricky.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 11:08:28 AM
A big opening partnership will test India's resolve today. They are assured qualification and I am not sure if they will have the stomach for a  fight today?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 11:11:47 AM
A big opening partnership will test India's resolve today. They are assured qualification and I am not sure if they will have the stomach for a  fight today?

Roy just hits a hideous cross batted slog from wide of off stump into cow corner. It may be effective, but god, it so ugly it would make many Village cricketers cringe.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
I thought that was a fine shot.

Lots of dots, which we need to watch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 11:18:34 AM
Now a missed wa- hoo hoick which is amazingly praised by the commentator for putting pressure on Shami. Not sure my skipper in Exhall and Wixford 2nds would have said that when I tried it. Come to think of it, he didnít.
Still I suppose itís cricket, Jim, but not as we know it ...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 11:18:46 AM
Hopefully weíll set a big total, but I want to see our seam bowlers bowl as well as Bumrah and Shami.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 11:19:09 AM
I thought that was a fine shot.

Lots of dots, which we need to watch.

For baseball , yes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
Bumrah is fucking tricky.

Great skiddy bowler, like Brett Lee
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 11:39:32 AM
In fairness, now an exquisite straight drive from Roy which Ted Dexter* would have been proud of.


* Ask your Dad
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
This is more like it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 11:59:32 AM
In fairness, now an exquisite straight drive from Roy which Ted Dexter* would have been proud of.


* Ask your Dad
Although I never saw Dexter bat but having read a lot about him I would never associate Roy's batting with his. Nevertheless a great compliment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
Great start here.  Can't afford to take our foot off the pedal now though. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Apart from that one shot that I grumbled about, I think Roy has been excellent and Bairstow too in his own risky way. Either way, itís fantastically entertaining it and even this miserable old sod is loving it !
Mind you , I think Iím losing my grumpy Crump mojo - I loved Stormzy at Glastonbury the other night and I donít think heíd have gone down well in the 1970s . I guess these days my bruddas donít dab, they just Vossi Bop ....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 12:13:33 PM
Damn.  Commentators curse strikes again. Sorry everyone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 01:01:40 PM
Oh dear, after such a great start, have been pegged back and Morgan fails again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
Morgan out in an almost identical way to his dismissal against the Aussies.  We're getting bogged down here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on June 30, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Where's this "Birmingham End" come from? It's the City End. The whole ground is in Birmingham so how can you have one end called that?
Nonsense.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 01:33:40 PM
Need to accelerate in these last 10 overs now.  Need Stokes and Buttler if he gets in to go for it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
It has been the Birmingham End since at least 2013. It was already called when they made the (stupid) decision to rebrand as "Birmingham Bears" in the Twenty20.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 01:48:59 PM
Not saying India have done it today, but allowing someone to go off with an injury to be replaced by a far superior fielder and then allow the injured player to bat in their normal position is a bit questionable really and could be open to sharp practices.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
It could have been worse - it could be called the Birmingham City End.

Mods - apologies for the for the foul language, Iíll put some asterisks in if it causes widespread offence.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
Where's this "Birmingham End" come from? It's the City End. The whole ground is in Birmingham so how can you have one end called that?
Nonsense.
I am against this Birmingham end name. I think it should be renamed after one of the Bear greats Ian Bell;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 02:05:44 PM
The Ian End ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
Fantastic 337. India will not get to 338. I predict England to win by 40+.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:25:42 PM
The Ian End ?
No you've got hold of the wrong End.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 03:59:33 PM
Weíve done well, but Iím still nervous. Need a few wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on June 30, 2019, 04:01:52 PM
India are going to sneak it aren't they?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2019, 04:23:59 PM
Itís gett a bit worrying. They are batting really well and donít really like giving any chances after Rootís early drop.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
Morgan a massive let down again, Root scoring runs like it was a test match.

India played short and left the wicket almost undamaged for Kohli to have a birthday. They know they can outscore us.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 05:25:14 PM
Iím very nervous, two in batsmen and a lot of wickets left. We need wickets and some tight overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
To go back to what Fred was posting earlier about ugly shots (and text book drives), the problem is that most teams have the same text book so they set fields to restrict the 'correct' shot. That's why odd shots that look really awkward have become so common, because that's how you find the gaps.

On the game itself, I think the wicket just has had a big impact because we've got rid of their big players now, a few 4-5 run overs and it'll put a huge amount of pressure on the 'lesser' guys and I can't see them getting the win.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 05:36:33 PM
Iím very nervous, two in batsmen and a lot of wickets left. We need wickets and some tight overs.
It's not even close paul. What are you like watching the Villa? :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 05:43:15 PM
Oh nice catch Woakes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 05:49:34 PM
We need Pandya gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
We're in charge, but never underestimate our capacity to fuck it up from here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
The run rate's getting away from India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 06:12:36 PM
Pandya gone.....I reckon that's it wrapped up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 06:18:08 PM
Good job India keep on selecting Dhoni for wrong reasons. The bloke was finished a while ago.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 06:21:51 PM
India are just nudging singles.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 30, 2019, 06:28:36 PM
India are just nudging singles.

Yes, and seem happy to be doing so.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2019, 06:32:58 PM
As expected, India making sure they don't do Pakistan any favours.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 06:35:04 PM
This is a top performance, well done England massive effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2019, 06:38:04 PM
Yep.  Surely the template we should use going forward - bat first and put score board pressure on. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
pretty comfortable win in the end, I think Woakes getting Rohit Sharma when he did was the key because whilst they have players who can score quickly coming in afterwards but they aren't capable of doing that for the 15-20 overs that were needed, Pandya was always going to hit a fielder for example, it's just what he does. Dhoni really has lost it, his performance in the last 6-7 overs was truly ridiculous.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on June 30, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
Superb bowling from England, but that was pathetic from India at the end, once Pandya was out they just threw the towel in, not that I'm complaining. Confident now England will make the semis.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Dhoniís performance was weird, I didnít get what his goal was.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
Roy is so important to us. Well done to Bairstow thatís we need from him.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
Plunkett has to start for me as well. The other spot is between Wood and Mo.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2019, 10:07:52 PM
Dhoniís performance was weird, I didnít get what his goal was.

Maybe he doesn't like Pakistan
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2019, 12:03:47 AM
Plunkett has to start for me as well. The other spot is between Wood and Mo.

Wood bowled quite well today without taking a wicket, but then if you don't pick Moeen you lose the ability to throw your wicket away trying to swat a ball away for 6 when you're on 8.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2019, 02:56:22 AM
Plunkett has to start for me as well. The other spot is between Wood and Mo.

Can't see us straying from that line up today now Paul.  Really interesting to hear Brendon McCullum's insights on the Debate show earlier.  Said he was a fan of Plunkett, but felt he had always been shifted around and asked to carry out different roles.  He said the current role he has in the side suits him perfectly as he tends to bowl when the fielding restrictions are over. 

His thoughts on Rashid were interesting as well.  After Bob Willis had slagged Rashid off, he said that he would always have a leg spinner who can turn the ball both ways in the side, mainly to bowl at the lower order.  He was saying that a leg spinner is a key part of an attacking side.  Made Bob look a bit foolish to be honest.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 01, 2019, 09:02:04 AM
Plunkett has to start for me as well. The other spot is between Wood and Mo.

Can't see us straying from that line up today now Paul.  Really interesting to hear Brendon McCullum's insights on the Debate show earlier.  Said he was a fan of Plunkett, but felt he had always been shifted around and asked to carry out different roles.  He said the current role he has in the side suits him perfectly as he tends to bowl when the fielding restrictions are over. 

His thoughts on Rashid were interesting as well.  After Bob Willis had slagged Rashid off, he said that he would always have a leg spinner who can turn the ball both ways in the side, mainly to bowl at the lower order.  He was saying that a leg spinner is a key part of an attacking side.  Made Bob look a bit foolish to be honest.

Willis is a poor judge of modern cricket. The game is completely different now to the version that he played. Heís stuck in his own era.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Leave our Bob alone. We need Victor Meldrew in the punditry line up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
Those who are arguing about no changes to the bowling line don't forget India scored 306 runs yesterday losing only 5 wickets and Dhoni was playing like grandad in the garden. So to win the World Cup England must keep sharpening the pencil.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
Woakes and Archer work superbly at the beginning and end of the innings and Plunkett, for all his faults, is a reliable option in the middle overs, particularly bowling opposite Rashid. That leaves Stokes and Root as back up options and room for a 5th bowler. In most matches in England that should be Wood but if the pitch is offering more spin then Ali gives us a bit more control, again during the middle overs. What was noticeable yesterday is that India targeted the quicker deliveries in those overs, which saw Wood and Stokes get punished.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 06:37:04 PM
I beat him to it - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48820922 - Vaughan talking about how important Roy is to this England team.

On now is West Indies vs Sri Lanka. SL set a good target of 339 but WI are doing themselves no favours in the chase with 3 run outs. The 3rd in particular was awful, non-striker called through a definite single and ran whilst the batsman just stood there and was about a third of the way there by the time his partner got in, no idea why he was on his heels in such a big chase, it was on a par with Dhoni's bizarre innings yesterday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2019, 07:15:54 PM
Leave our Bob alone. We need Victor Meldrew in the punditry line up.

He rightly has legendary status, but he was made to look foolish.  I would recommend anyone with an interest in the tactical side of the game should look that up if possible.  Hearing McCullum talk about attacking tactics and intent was fascinating.

He also explained why most captains would have sent Morgan out ahead of Buttler.  He said you ideally want a left-hand / right-hand combination out there when it's a short boundary.  That and it puts pressure on a captains field placing at a critical time in the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2019, 07:03:49 AM
Whilst I agree with that in principle, Buttler is a freak player and Iíd view him as an exception to normal thinking. If we lose a wicket around the 30 over mark he should always be coming in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 09:53:35 AM
tom2103 agreed. Even Kohli struggled with defending the lopsided boundary at Edgbaston on Sunday and if ever a batting skipper is gifted  with left/right combo in his batting line he should maximise that. I have been a fielding captain in situations like that and whilst you start off well switching your fielders around after a while you are muddled up, not necessarily with your primary position but secondary fielders.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
Off to Edgbaston  now. Hoping for a good match and.......... COME ON Bangladesh.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
Jimmy injured in a county match. Not much info yet
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2019, 12:05:44 PM
Off to Edgbaston  now. Hoping for a good match and.......... COME ON Bangladesh.

Iíd rather India win, that gives some potential contingency if England balls it up tomorrow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
Bangladesh are bowling themselves back into this
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2019, 01:22:39 PM
MSD time
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
Have to support India, Bangladesh lose and then beat Pakistan and we're through. If they win both, then we can be knocked out.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2019, 03:58:00 PM
Exactly. However that batting effort from India after than start was poor and theyíre under threat now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2019, 04:26:38 PM
Paul Farbrace is a great addition to TMS
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
Not when England are playing he isnít!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
Off to Edgbaston  now. Hoping for a good match and.......... COME ON Bangladesh.

Iíd rather India win, that gives some potential contingency if England balls it up tomorrow.
I was thinking purely as a cricket fan there😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2019, 12:55:56 AM
tom2103 agreed. Even Kohli struggled with defending the lopsided boundary at Edgbaston on Sunday and if ever a batting skipper is gifted  with left/right combo in his batting line he should maximise that. I have been a fielding captain in situations like that and whilst you start off well switching your fielders around after a while you are muddled up, not necessarily with your primary position but secondary fielders.

It is a nightmare mate!  On top of that you have to try and keep track of how many overs each bowler has bowled and working out how many overs their potential replacement has got left.

That's after spending all week to cobble a side together and having to make some frantic last minute calls as someone has phoned that morning to say they can't make it!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2019, 12:59:33 AM
Whilst I agree with that in principle, Buttler is a freak player and Iíd view him as an exception to normal thinking. If we lose a wicket around the 30 over mark he should always be coming in.

I think the same about Buttler Paul, but it was interesting to hear the reason why he didn't come in earlier.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
tom2103 agreed. Even Kohli struggled with defending the lopsided boundary at Edgbaston on Sunday and if ever a batting skipper is gifted  with left/right combo in his batting line he should maximise that. I have been a fielding captain in situations like that and whilst you start off well switching your fielders around after a while you are muddled up, not necessarily with your primary position but secondary fielders.

It is a nightmare mate!  On top of that you have to try and keep track of how many overs each bowler has bowled and working out how many overs their potential replacement has got left.

That's after spending all week to cobble a side together and having to make some frantic last minute calls as someone has phoned that morning to say they can't make it!!
😊I learned after awhile why the club secretary (usually a senior player) always registered Bob Jones and Raj Patel names at the start of the season. When I said yes I found someone To make up 11 this weekend Bob or Raj came in handy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 10:31:54 AM
Just placed some serious money on England. Batting first and Lockie Ferguson our I see nothing but pain for Kiwis.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 03, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Just placed some serious money on England. Batting first and Lockie Ferguson our I see nothing but pain for Kiwis.

I have only dipped into bits of England games so far and not really followed the tournament. Am I right in saying if we win we are in the semis?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 03, 2019, 10:48:26 AM
Just placed some serious money on England. Batting first and Lockie Ferguson our I see nothing but pain for Kiwis.

I have only dipped into bits of England games so far and not really followed the tournament. Am I right in saying if we win we are in the semis?

Yes
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 10:57:40 AM
Good start.

Pitch looks an absolute belter though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 11:25:15 AM
Good start.

Pitch looks an absolute belter though.

Yep, I'd say that, so far, this looks like a 350-400 pitch for the first innings. If we get that I think it'll be very hard to chase.

Just to repeat myself though, yet again this is showing just how important Roy is to us, our whole attitude is better with him there. Bairstow looks a different player when he can trust the guy at the other end.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
Roy gone for 60
123/1
Bairstow 54*
Root In
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 12:03:09 PM
Yep, I'd say that, so far, this looks like a 350-400 pitch for the first innings. If we get that I think it'll be very hard to chase.
Yes but...so far teams have not followed  30/20 rule. That is doubling the 30 over score in the last 20. Generally teams who have come flying out of the trap have slowed down is later overs. Let's see if England can buck that trend today?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
Yep, I'd say that, so far, this looks like a 350-400 pitch for the first innings. If we get that I think it'll be very hard to chase.
Yes but...so far teams have not followed  30/20 rule. That is doubling the 30 over score in the last 20. Generally teams who have come flying out of the trap have slowed down is later overs. Let's see if England can buck that trend today?

England haven't followed that for a few years. England tend to come out strong for 20 overs, consolidate for 15 overs in the middle and then go for it in the last 15. NZ have done a good job of stopping England pushing to the 150-160 that looked on for the first 20 but I still think they'll get to around 220ish by the 35th and then push on. The only way that doesn't happen is if we lose 3-4 wickets in the next 10-12 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
Don't think Root hit that. Despite what snicko says.

Watch the ball and there is no deviation of the seam as the ball passes the bat. The lines on snicko also don't particularly tally with an edge.

Prob not the end of the world though to have likes of Buttler and Morgan in instead of Root at this stage. Got to be looking at 380 plus.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 12:52:29 PM
Root gone with a slightly silly shot but here's Buttler.

Let's see if he can get in and use the extra time he's been given, the first 10-15 deliveries are really important with Buttler, if he gets a feel for it in those early deliveries he gets into a groove and goes big, if it's a bit sketchy he can get a bit nervous and give his wicket away trying to force it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:10:39 PM
This is braindead from England here.

Collapse well and truly underway
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 01:11:49 PM
This is poor now. Buttler gone for nothing. We need to make sure we donít squander this. NZ can score big on this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 03, 2019, 01:13:11 PM
Morgan should have given way to Ben Stokes with ok 16 overs to go. Am I being harsh by calling him selfish? Given that Stokes is in blinding form? Also, hyper critical but Bairstow often gets out just after getting a ton. Go bigger young man!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:15:40 PM
We need to have a modicum of sense. Make sure we get 340-350 playing sensibly. Don't get bowled out for 290-300 going hell for leather.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2019, 01:18:53 PM
Here we go again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2019, 01:21:27 PM
Buttler has been completely underwhelming all tournament, well overhyped.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
Looks like the pressure is getting to us again. Lucky not to be run out there.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 01:23:55 PM
Nearly just a stupid run out.  FFS England, sort it out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Buttler has been completely underwhelming all tournament, well overhyped.

He's not over-hyped, just struggling for form.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:34:19 PM
There was absolutely no need for us to put ourselves in this situation. Poor shots when we were dominant and now we look scared again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 01:35:36 PM
Morgan should have given way to Ben Stokes with ok 16 overs to go. Am I being harsh by calling him selfish? Given that Stokes is in blinding form? Also, hyper critical but Bairstow often gets out just after getting a ton. Go bigger young man!!

The 'problem' with Stokes is that he takes a while to get in, when you already have 30-35 overs done and 200+ on the board I can see the sense in bringing Morgan (who gets going quickly and can be destructive) in ahead of Stokes, even though Stokes has been excellent. What's really odd here is that Stokes is in great form and on his home ground and yet he's really struggling to get the ball away.

Hopefully Morgan will tee off from here though, we really should've been looking at 350.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 01:36:42 PM
10 overs left.  Need Stokes to start smacking it about a bit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
Stokes gone. This is really poor now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
Lucky to get 300 now.

Pathetic collapse
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 01:44:41 PM
This has been fucking dismal since Root got out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
Need to hope that Roy and Bairstow made the pitch look easier than it is.

I doubt it though. Far more likely that we've just bottled it again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2019, 01:50:03 PM
55 for 4 from 13 overs. Incredibly bad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 01:58:00 PM
Seeing how Woakes has gone there I think the pitch is playing a big part here, that one lost a lot more pace in the bounce than you'd expect which is why he was through the shot early.

I suspect the first 15-20 overs of their innings is the key here now, if we can keep them under control and take a few wickets the surface and a softer ball makes it harder to bat on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Iím hoping the last 20 overs are down to the pitch/older ball. If it isnít itís a dreadful effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 02:37:16 PM
That should have been 340+ all day long. Reckon the Kiwis will knock that off with ease.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
The partnership from Plunkett and Rashid was massive in the context of the game, to work so hard in the 30-45 overs and still end up chasing over 300 is pretty demoralising. I think this could be really interesting.

Also interesting is that Neesham was so good, he bowled in a similar way to Plunkett so if Archer and Woakes can start well and create a bit of pressure by not giving anything away I suspect Plunkett will be able to take wickets.

The Woakes wicket was also really interesting one because he didn't do much wrong but ended up early on the shot because the ball held up. Archer and Woakes both bowl a lot of slower deliveries at the death so NZ will need to stay on top of the rate, if they need 80 or more from the last 10 I think they'll struggle.

From our point of view getting Williamson will be key, other than him they don't have anyone in particularly good form.

Woakes getting an early wicket there is massive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 03:15:41 PM
Great start 14-2.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2019, 03:31:11 PM
Run rate seriously low here, are their tactics just to take a beating by not too huge a margin rather than go for it and fall way short? Pakistan would need a huge swing their way to pop NZ. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 03:54:43 PM
I don't think it's on them, as I said, we would've gone into the dressing room and spoken about sneaking an early wicket or 2 and keeping their rate down, the earlier they feel they have to take risks the better, Plunkett and Rashid get more wickets when people are trying to take them on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 03:59:23 PM
That's brilliant by Wood, no way he intended to direct it to the stumps but just getting a hand to it was exceptional and gave us a chance. Massive to get Williamson so cheaply.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
Blimey. NZ having a torrid time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
Shocking decision making from someone as experienced as Taylor. England totally on top here now, not a good start from Rashid though, hasn't been accurate enough so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
That should have been 340+ all day long. Reckon the Kiwis will knock that off with ease.

What utter bollocks.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
Michael Slater does know that Australia aren't playing today doesn't he?  It's just that he keeps bringing Australia up in totally unrelated conversations.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
Well weíre coasting this now. Great stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2019, 05:17:45 PM
I will say though net run-rate is daft, this is tedious in terms of the spectacle.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
Weíve been very good in the last two games in keeping the run rate right down to be fair. Intelligent bowling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 03, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
Whatís the chances of picking up a ticket from a tout at edgbaston for the semi-final?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
Well it says choppy at times and that collapse mid-innings was really poor, but they've had to get it done in the last two matches and they responded. Woakes and Bairstow (with help from Plunkett) have rescued this situation.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2019, 09:05:05 PM
Roll on Thursday next week. I have tickets for Edgbaston and would love England to thrash arrogant India once again. Hopefully they will keep selecting Dhoni and Shami, Chahal and Pandya will keep chucking lolly pops at Bairstow, Roy and Co.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2019, 09:16:39 PM
I think the NZ performance made it pretty clear that the pitch wasn't the same as Roy and Bairstow batted on at the start of the day, it was good bowling but it was also, with hindsight, a very good toss to win.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 04, 2019, 07:39:58 PM
When the Ashes Test team is announced will the selectors pick the in form Dom Sibley? Or will we see the usual failures Jennings and Vince?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 04, 2019, 08:27:21 PM
England Ladies have thrown this away. Big uphill task to win The Ashes back now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2019, 09:29:55 AM
England Ladies have thrown this away. Big uphill task to win The Ashes back now.

After Tammy's century, I think that the next highest score was around 25. That's not going to cut it.
They were at least 50 runs short of setting a defendable score
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
Pakistan don't appear to be bothering to try to get the 400+ they need to stand any chance of qualifying for the semis
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
Are Bangladesh the first team to ever wear an away kit?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 05, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
Are Bangladesh the first team to ever wear an away kit?

India did against England last Sunday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2019, 03:27:38 PM
I watched that match and have somehow erased India's kit from my mind.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
I really liked Indiaís second kit, thought it looked ace.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
For a country that is obsessed with bloody singing, India don't half have a shit anthem.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2019, 05:25:44 PM
Itíll be a tough game either way, but think Iíd rather have the Aussies in the semi-final.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 06, 2019, 08:17:01 PM
Itíll be a tough game either way, but think Iíd rather have the Aussies in the semi-final.

Yep, if nothing else weíd have a much greater share of the support against the Aussies.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2019, 09:15:44 PM
This is great competitive match. Aussies need 20 from 8 balls with Starc and Behrendorff in/
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
Australia it is on Thursday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2019, 10:32:25 PM
Good stuff, right some wrongs on Thursday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
Would probably rather have played India. Still, if you have to play Australia, you'd rather play them at Edgbaston than at Lord's, where they always win. The main disappointment is that India v New Zealand is a much less appetising semi than Australia v New Zealand, and I have Tuesday off work. Oh well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
But for NRR your Tuesday could have been very different!
I am looking forward to my day at Edgbaston. I can't see Aussie fans "owning" Rea Bank as Imitation Indians would have done.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 12:23:39 PM
Well this is fucking abysmal. Again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 12:24:27 PM
My whinging created that wicket 😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
The standard of bowling has been very poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 01:14:20 PM
A bit more like it since my initial post. Hopefully restrict them to fewer than 250 runs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2019, 03:07:34 PM
Fucking useless.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 07, 2019, 08:52:08 PM
Are the semi-finals able to run into a second day in the event of bad weather, and under what circumstances?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
They are, and I assume itís if a ďgameĒ canít be completed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 08, 2019, 10:58:00 AM
Ellyse Perry strikes me as someone who would be great at any sport she turned her hand to
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 09:12:43 AM
Come on you Kiwis...let's shut up the saffron Brits.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
Listening to TMS, so haven't seen video yet.

Sounds like a poor review by India
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 09, 2019, 10:47:20 AM
Can someone tell New Zealand that the match has started, please?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2019, 11:05:49 AM
Can someone tell New Zealand that the match has started, please?

Whadyamean.....they're on schedule to set an intimidating target of...... 85 :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 11:50:41 AM
NZ must have a game plan...to bore India into submission.
Guptill has been very disappointing in this world cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 09, 2019, 12:04:27 PM
Glad I booked the day off for this, New Zealand you twats 🙁
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2019, 12:51:17 PM
Still under 4 runs per over after 32.

Surely the pitch conditions aren't that difficult
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
Great start by New Zealand against  india  on the first day of the test match😰
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 09, 2019, 01:16:10 PM
Beyond pathetic. They should have entered the field behind a white flag.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2019, 01:44:41 PM
Seem to be trying to score a bit faster now
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
Are the semi-finals able to run into a second day in the event of bad weather, and under what circumstances?
This from BBC about todayís game explains:
There is a reserve day but they will do all they can to get the match in today - India's innings needs to be at least 20 overs to constitute a game.

If no more play is possible today, they would restart tomorrow from the point we left off at (NZ 211-5 off 46.1 overs) and play the full 50 overs per side.

However, if India start a 20-over chase tonight and the rain returns, they would resume from that point tomorrow and only have 20 overs maximum. I.e. if India face one over before rain intervenes, they would resume tomorrow with 19 overs left to make their target.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
Iím not sure what the perfect solution is, but picking up where you left off the doesnít seem entirely fair.

What if itís bright sunshine tomorrow? India have a huge advantage.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 10:58:40 AM
Not many added by NZ this morning.

They're feckeding certs to win this  ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
Blimey........Kohli gone.

NZ are back in this
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on July 10, 2019, 11:18:20 AM
Go the Kiwi's  8)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 10, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
Ooh... Are India gonna Leeds it? Mon New Zealand!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on July 10, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
5-3. Great bowling by NZ. India will be lucky to score 50 at this rate :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dr Butler on July 10, 2019, 11:23:35 AM
3 down apparently....come on the Kiwi's....


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 11:49:59 AM
There goes the fourth
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2019, 12:17:50 PM
Even if we get knocked out, if like New Zealand to go through. Be nice for someone new to win it. Fed up of Australia and India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
Fantastic bowling from NZ so far, I reckon India will be lucky to get out of this, they don't have much batting left after these 2 and Pandya has a habit of gifting his wicket after a good start.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 01:07:16 PM
I have placed big money £10 on India at 5/1 hoping to lose😀
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 01:07:46 PM
Even if we get knocked out, if like New Zealand to go through. Be nice for someone new to win it. Fed up of Australia and India.
Absolutely
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 10, 2019, 01:12:10 PM
India need the Dhoni of past to show up here, not the Dhoni of this tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2019, 02:06:40 PM
India need the Dhoni of past to show up here, not the Dhoni of this tournament.

I reckon this match is the first time they've needed Dhoni to do the 'dig in and rotate the strike' job that he's been doing. That said in this final push they need him to do a lot more.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 02:35:48 PM
This has turned into an exciting finish

I'm just listening on TMS because I'm working as well. My boss has the Sky feed on his PC :(
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 02:57:04 PM
Kiwis win.

Great chase by Jadeja and MSD but once those two went, the chance had gone
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
Two pieces of brilliance in the field from NZ; the catch by Neesham and the throw by Guptill to run out MSD
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 10, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
What a tense finish and credit to the Kiwis for holding their nerve.

Their win has cost me £250 as my CWC bet is off due to India's exit!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 10, 2019, 04:26:45 PM
Delighted to at least have someone to support in the final. Didn't fancy the idea of it being India v Aussies.

Hopefully England can do the business, and preferably without using a reserve day as I'm "working" on Friday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
Well well that was interesting! Come on England get to the final.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
Today was triumph of pure hard work and effort overcoming  avarice  and arrogance. Well done New Zealand.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Today was triumph of pure hard work and effort overcoming  avarice  and arrogance. Well done New Zealand.

What do people find so dislikeable about the Indian team ?

Jadeja is a joy to watch in all aspects of the game. I'll concede that Kohli is arrogant but he's regarded as one of the hardest workers in the sport (this was discussed on TMS yesterday)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 10:03:18 AM
Bollocks theyíre batting first. Early wickets please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 10:06:38 AM
Need to hope the pitch isn't one of the turgid pieces of shit that we've seen throughout the tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 10:11:47 AM
Indeed. If we could nick off Finch, Warner and Smith in first 10 thatíd be good.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
In terms of stupid songs, Jerusalem is right up there with God Save the Queen
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
Need to hope the pitch isn't one of the turgid pieces of shit that we've seen throughout the tournament.

The ICC have said that the pitches are not their fault.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/09/world-cup-low-scoring-pitches-icc-deny
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 10:35:39 AM
Jof you beauty! Get Smith out quick.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:36:24 AM
Finch gone and the the review was three reds, so the Aussies have burned their review in the second over
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 10:39:30 AM
Belter of a delivery as his first ball, very hard to deal with.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
Warner gone!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Warner gone

Great start
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
Another great delivery, Warner always struggles with them up by his chest, this looks like we've really done our homework.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: JD on July 11, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
What a great start. C'mon England :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 10:54:29 AM
Woakes has been a bit unlucky against handscomb, marginal decision on the first review and then the teeniest of edges for the 2nd. Woakes has got the ball moving fantastically.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 10:58:36 AM
Woakesssssssssssyyyyyyy
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 10:59:22 AM
Beauty from Woakes, he's had handscomb on toast.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:08:14 AM
We canít let them off the hook here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 11:18:22 AM
Woakes and Archer have been outrageously good. Wood and Plunkett need to keep up the intensity when they come on
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:20:32 AM
They do. Theyíve still got plenty of batting and I wouldnít want us chasing over 200!

Carey and Smith are very good.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
They do. Theyíve still got plenty of batting and I wouldnít want us chasing over 200!

Carey and Smith are very good.

They are but Carey looked really rattled by the chin music from Archer adn Smith has got himself really bogged down. As above we need to keep the pressure on and not give anything away in the next 9-10. If we can keep them down to 60ish after 20 it will force them to take more risks.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Poor start from Wood here. Brilliant fielding is keeping the score in this over down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Poor start from Wood here. Brilliant fielding is keeping the score in this over down.

Wood often has a few wayward deliveries in his first over, hopefully the last couple will help him find his line.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
Smith is a worry here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:43:53 AM
This injury to Carey looks really nasty.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:46:02 AM
It does, heís showing some guts to keep going.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:55:32 AM
Urgh we need Smith out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
I donít know if conditions are getting easier, but change bowlers havenít been great so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 12:02:24 PM
We need Wood and Plunkett to sort their lengths out, they're both given runs away here. The rate was always going to rise once the ball stopped swinging but we need to keep bowling a good length. Some of the short stuff from Wood in particular has been terrible and then when he bowls a 'normal' length they're struggling to score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 12:04:16 PM
Theyíre right back in this now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 12:07:04 PM
Intensity dropped. Archer probably should have been given another over.

Possibly conditions easier to bat now.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
Theyíre right back in this now.

Still scoring at under 4, so no panic yet
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 12:14:40 PM
Thatís ramping up now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 12:16:33 PM
It does look an excellent batting track to be fair. Probably showed how well Archer and Woakes went first up.

Unfortunately the wickets have generally been shit in this tournament and die later on. Need that not to be the case today
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
This is very easy for them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
Needed that, well caught Vince.

Now Maxwell and Smith our fast please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Stoinis rather, and heís out now! Get Maxwell out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2019, 12:38:28 PM
🦆
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
The 2nd short ball from Archer to Maxwell is the right length, the first one was too short and he had time to react. The really nasty ones from Archer are when they come through the crease at shoulder/chin height because they're the ones that are deceptively quick. The one he nailed Carey with was spot on (although obviously I'd prefer him not to have taken it to the face).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
Morning all.  I was just up in time to see the two quick fire wickets, now a bit concerned that Maxwell is going to bludgeon us a bit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 01:06:06 PM
Maxwell gone!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 01:06:39 PM
...and just as I type that, out!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 01:07:40 PM
Awful shot, Maxwell is dangerous but he's easily drawn in to playing shit shots.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 01:08:37 PM
...and just as I type that, out!

It was an excellent display of the mockers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 01:16:27 PM
Cummins gone, Rashid has turned up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Bowlers have been excellent the last few games.  Whatever score we restrict them to, need the batsmen to turn up today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 01:30:59 PM
Rashid did for Cummins with a beauty and then scared the shit out of starc with his first delivery. Things drifted for a while but we never really let them get ahead of the rate so we were always going to get chances later in the innings. This is the last real partnership they'll have though I think, Behrendorff and Lyon aren't going to offer much, if we can see off one of these 2 soon we could be chasing a t20 score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
Great day for England so far, three early wickets, Rashid taking three middle order wickets and great captaincy to bring Archer back on to get the vital wicket of Maxwell.

Aussies haven't had any period in the game yet where they look to be getting on top.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 01:37:53 PM
Whatever the score this chase will be tough.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 01:45:08 PM
Whatever the score this chase will be tough.

Yes we need the openers to see out Starcs opening spell, then plenty of overs to get the runs. Most people thought India would cruise past New Zealand's total, never easy chasing a small total.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 01:46:14 PM
Think its a very good batting pitch. We've just picked up wickets at key times meaning they've had to curb their aggression.

In a regular ODI, I think 280 would be the bare minimum on this. In a WC though its a bit different
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 01:47:53 PM
Not a good over from Plunkett.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
When we get in there are 3 priorities, in order:

Don't lose early wickets
Don't take it too easy and leave ourselves with too much to do (this fucked India yesterday)
Score a few early boundaries, make them worry about saving runs rather than taking wickets
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 01:56:25 PM
Another really tight one from Woakes that was pretty unlucky to not get the umpire onside, brilliant bowling though, Woakes has been truly excellent today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
What a throw, Smith gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 01:59:46 PM
Think booing is daft, will just motivate them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
Smith gone!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 02:01:17 PM
Oh yes another for Woakes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
Brilliant from Buttler, This is why i like having natural sportsmen like him and Stokes in the team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
Ooh, two in two balls!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
I reckon it will take something special to deny Woakes the man of the match award here, he was brilliant at the start and getting Starc there was superb.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
Fantastic over for England, two wickets just one run.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:05:10 PM
Getting them all out would be nice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
Just seen that throw from Buttler again in slow mo. Lucky how the ball nutmegged Smith and just missed his rusty bullet hole before hitting the wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
And.....out!

Lovely final ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 02:10:58 PM
That'll do nicely
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 11, 2019, 02:11:17 PM
We all know Australia will win this either way. I can't decide if I'd rather they batted us out of sight and we never get close, or if we lose by the odd run chasing a measly total. Of course being England, they'll probably do it the third way and be bowled out for less than 100.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 02:12:04 PM
Now bat properly and donít bottle this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 02:14:58 PM
We all know Australia will win this either way. I can't decide if I'd rather they batted us out of sight and we never get close, or if we lose by the odd run chasing a measly total. Of course being England, they'll probably do it the third way and be bowled out for less than 100.


You can get 7/2 on Australia if you fancy them to win. England are 1/6.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KevinGage on July 11, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
The Villa man has done the Aussies good and proper.

He might still have some work to do yet with the bat on this pitch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 11, 2019, 02:19:21 PM
Its only the pressure of a WC semi final chase that can really stop us getting a target that is well below par.

Woakes and Archers opening spell was as good as any I've ever seen from an England ODI side. The early wickets made Australia bat cautiously on a good pitch. I think the pitches true nature was shown in the Smith/Carey partnership.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Its only the pressure of a WC semi final chase that can really stop us getting a target that is well below par.

Woakes and Archers opening spell was as good as any I've ever seen from an England ODI side. The early wickets made Australia bat cautiously on a good pitch. I think the pitches true nature was shown in the Smith/Carey partnership.

I agree, I think it would be wide of th emark to suggest the pitch was responsible for the first powerplay, it was exceptional bowling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 02:22:26 PM
Be interesting to see how England approach this now.  It's a funny score to chase that's neither truly shit or overly massive.  Hopefully Roy gets an easy ton, and we wrap it up in 40 overs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
If we can bowl Australia out they can definitely bowl us out. Just win the game England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2019, 02:39:15 PM
Today was triumph of pure hard work and effort overcoming  avarice  and arrogance. Well done New Zealand.

What do people find so dislikeable about the Indian team ?

Jadeja is a joy to watch in all aspects of the game. I'll concede that Kohli is arrogant but he's regarded as one of the hardest workers in the sport (this was discussed on TMS yesterday)
Not so much the players who are disliked. Kohli is my favourite cricketer at the moment. Itís the Indian cricket board and their attitude of disdain towards rest of the world that pisses me off.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Be interesting to see how England approach this now.  It's a funny score to chase that's neither truly shit or overly massive.  Hopefully Roy gets an easy ton, and we wrap it up in 40 overs.

Hopefully play it safe for 8-10 overs and then go from there, rotate the strike and punish anything short or wide.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
Be interesting to see how England approach this now.  It's a funny score to chase that's neither truly shit or overly massive.  Hopefully Roy gets an easy ton, and we wrap it up in 40 overs.
Itís not truly but itís near enough shit. I wouldnít want Roy and Bairstow to change their approach as there are no demons in the pitch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
If we bat sensibly for the first 10 overs then we will have a platform on which to build a successful run chase.

Their attack is at least as good as ours but we have more explosive batsmen in our line up. This will be a day for nudgers and hurdlers not sloggers so Root could be the key.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
Itís not the usual mix of England fans at Edgbaston today. Majority is Brit Indians who have simply swapped their tops and bought a St Georgeís flag. Letís hope it stays that way😉
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
That flick for 6 by Roy to fine leg was sublime.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 03:07:59 PM
Itís not the usual mix of England fans at Edgbaston today. Majority is Brit Indians who have simply swapped their tops and bought a St Georgeís flag. Letís hope it stays that way😉

They seem to have all brought football scarves outside the ground. As they are backing England it shows how unpopular the Aussies actually are!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
They're just playing Hi Ho Silver.  Nice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
Ticking along nicely at 6 an over.  Not sure how long Bairstow will last as having got a twinge he's clearly just going to batter everything he can for a boundary.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 03:59:20 PM
Just the 21 off the over so far!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 03:59:56 PM
Bringing Smith on deserved that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
This is fucking marvellous
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 04:03:48 PM
This is unbelievable!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 04:06:49 PM
Wasted review there but hopefully it wonít affect us too much.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 04:11:00 PM
60 runs off the last 25 balls
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 11, 2019, 04:11:12 PM
Uh oh. I wish I hadn't followed England so much from the 80s onwards, because I always get the feeling that 1 out can quickly become all out, especially against the damn Aussies. Need Arundhati to carry his bat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
Starc takes loads of wickets, no issue with that, but he doesn't have throw down some shit as well. 2 of those boundaries for Root were really poor bowling to a new man.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 04:18:23 PM
Wasted review there but hopefully it wonít affect us too much.

And Roy could have done with it there!

Didnít like his dissent though and a fine will surely be issued. It was a shocking decision from Dharmasena but he should have walked.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 04:36:20 PM
The Aussies have a long stop for Morgan whilst facing Starc. I donít think Iíve ever seen that in international cricket before.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 05:10:09 PM
Piss poor effort from the shackle-rattlers this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 05:15:22 PM
Get in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 11, 2019, 05:19:38 PM
So much for playing it safe, that was brilliant by England, Roy, Bairstow, Archer, Woakes and Rashid all superb.

Gotta be strong favourites for Sunday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 11, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Bob Geldof got one. What about West Indians and South Africans?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2019, 05:27:57 PM
Sir Garfield Sobers, Sir Curtly Ambrose, Plus  others I cant remember.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
Full list:
Sir Learie Constantine (Trinidad, later Lord Constantine)
Reverend Sir Wes Hall (Barbados)
Sir Conrad Hunte (Barbados)
Sir Viv Richards (Antigua)
Sir Richie Richardson (Antigua)
Sir Andy Roberts (Antigua)
Sir Garfield Sobers (Barbados)
Sir Clyde Walcott (Barbados)
Sir Everton Weekes (Barbados)
Sir Frank Worrell (Barbados)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 05:33:04 PM
Marvellous stuff, now back it up in the final.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2019, 05:39:26 PM
It's coming home.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2019, 05:43:48 PM
Sir Garfield Sobers, Sir Curtly Ambrose, Plus  others I cant remember.

Sir Learie Constantine.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2019, 05:54:32 PM
Seems to vary from island to island. Usain Bolt doesn't have one, for instance.

Read about Geldof and apparently he's a KBE, not allowed to be a knight as not born in the Commonwealth. So when the press call him "Sir Bob", they're wrong.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 11, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
Savage stuff, a real funeralling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 05:56:04 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Bob Geldof got one. What about West Indians and South Africans?

Eire arenít a member of the commonwealth so Geldof didnít get a full knighthood just an honorary one. The individual islands that make up the West Indies are members of the commonwealth so the likes of Sir Viv etc got full knighthoods.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 05:58:25 PM
For anyone that doesnít have Sky Sports then the final is available on Channel 4 and More 4, theyíre sharing the coverage.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Terry Wogan
Spork Mulligoon
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on July 11, 2019, 07:18:06 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Terry Wogan
Spork Mulligoon

I think they can if they were born before Irish independence, so Wogan is a Sir but Geldof just an honorary one.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 11, 2019, 07:48:31 PM
The Channel 4 thing is a bonus. I wont have Sky in my house so can now watch it. It has upset the apple cart at home though after my revision to weekend plans. You can do all that shit still if you want to but I will be watching the cricket has not pleased the wife.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Terry Wogan
Spork Mulligoon

I think Milligan was born in India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2019, 08:39:16 PM
He was definitely a British citizen and I don't think he realised his Irish roots until he was quite old.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 11, 2019, 08:44:37 PM
Amazing victory today. Please go and win it now without thinking it's a forgone conclusion.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 08:36:05 AM
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, but are Irish people allowed to be knighted?

Terry Wogan
Spork Mulligoon

I think they can if they were born before Irish independence, so Wogan is a Sir but Geldof just an honorary one.

Wogan was born in 1938

Spink Millington was born in India in 1918 to an Irish father and English mother, so his nationality is a bit mixed up
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
I believe Milligan held an Irish passport, not one hundred per cent sure, I must check.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 12, 2019, 09:01:43 AM
Wogan had dual citizenship.

Really looking forward to the final. England wonít get a better chance of willing it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 13, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
So England could end up as World Champions in 50 over cricket tomorrow yet next season there wonít be a first class 50 over competition in this country. ECB you should hang your heads in shame.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
When does B*no get his well deserved Knighthood for services to smugness and pretentiousness ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2019, 02:21:19 PM
So England could end up as World Champions in 50 over cricket tomorrow yet next season there wonít be a first class 50 over competition in this country. ECB you should hang your heads in shame.
Amazingly bizarre situation.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2019, 02:28:41 PM
England should win the World Cup tomorrow. They are far superior than New Zealand in almost every position. With exception of Williamson, Taylor and Santner NZ are a very ordinary team  however a team they are and that's their strength. If England match their team play it should be fairly straight forward but...

In figuring out how to beat  the Kiwis the England coaching staff should be studying two games that both finalist played against Pakistan. They were both beaten so that will point to what to do and not to do.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on July 13, 2019, 02:40:57 PM
On the train to Marylebone now cannot wait for tomorrow feeling very similar to Play-off final day making this same journey - quietly confident we have the better team and just need to deliver on the day.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2019, 10:48:07 PM
I really hope we do it tomorrow. It would feel a fitting circle. New Zealandís massacre of us in 2015 was the real nadir moment. Then the subsequent series against them was the beginning of the new dawn. It feels right for us to face, and hopefully beat, them in the World Cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
NZ bat first. Come on England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 10:19:25 AM
People talk about sporting clash today with Wimbledon  final and F1 at Silverstone so not sure about what to watch. I am sorry but there is no choice. It has to be the Cricket World Cup final. Whilst I like  both the Wimbledon final happens every year and same o tired faces turn up for the final and F1 is again a yearly event and we know it's going to be a procession with Mercedes 1, 2. 27 years since England were last there so these opportunities don't come around every day. Don't mess it up chaps.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 10:23:01 AM
I haven't watched Formula One since Damon Hill won it and I don't care about the tennis as it is the same old faces in the final. No contest for me, either.

Happy New Zealand have chosen to bat. Hopefully get a couple of early wickets and have them under all kinds of pressure, then all we have to do is not bottle it like India.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 14, 2019, 10:32:42 AM
Bowl ye, bowl ye well England!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 10:33:44 AM
Hopefully Woakesy and Archer can get amongst them early. Lord's can be difficult at 10.30am to bat...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 10:39:21 AM
Why are they late starting? Get on with it!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Why are they late starting? Get on with it!

Early morning rain delayed the start
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
Christ that swung and Guptill went full gun at it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 10:46:49 AM
Why are they late starting? Get on with it!

Early morning rain delayed the start

Ta. Missed that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
Lords isnít the best ground for us, so fingers crossed we buck that trend today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:48:17 AM
Feel like Woakes is a bit short here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 10:48:51 AM
Nice to have a Villa fan and a Bear opening the bowling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:54:32 AM
Hell of a decision that from Erasmus, because I thought it was out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 10:57:19 AM
Bollocks review overturned.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Bollocks review overturned.

My first reaction was that it was too high.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 11:01:13 AM
We seem a little flat so far
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:01:26 AM
Yikes Guptill worries me.

Pitch it up Jof.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:04:40 AM
Great player Gupthill but not a great over from Archer there.  86 MPH but seems to be bowling within himself.  Great contest, enthralling and what a fantastic review, he seemed dead in the water.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:09:16 AM
Jof isnít at it at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:13:20 AM
Please be out!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
Guptill out, thank fuck for that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
OUT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Well done Woakesy
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
If we can get Williamson early as well, that would be magic.  Another outstanding player.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
Well done Woakesy

Get in you Villa man!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Yep. Need Jof to sort his lengths out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
Iím more nervous now than I was an hour ago!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 11:18:31 AM
Well done Woakesy!  I have to say the atmosphere at Lord's is none existent. Give me Edgbaston all day long!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:18:53 AM
Brilliant over that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:22:03 AM
Much better Jof.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
Better from Archer here. Swinging at 90mph, very dangerous.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 11:23:12 AM
Much better over from Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:23:44 AM
30 for 1 after 8 overs, great start from England.  One of those tosses you don't mind losing?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:25:11 AM
Terrific from Chris Woakes.  Really grown in to this tournament.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 11:29:34 AM
Is this a World Cup final?? Zero atmosphere.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
Is this a World Cup final?? Zero atmosphere.

It's a shame isn't it?  The poshness of Lords does tend to spoil things.  So pricey and stuck up. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
Is this a World Cup final?? Zero atmosphere.

It's a shame isn't it?  The poshness of Lords does tend to spoil things.  So pricey and stuck up. 

Agree. No wonder England's record at Lord's is poor. The Edgbaston crowd is intimidating for the opposition.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:39:21 AM
Too short on the whole.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:50:02 AM
Plunkett hasnít been great so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 11:51:52 AM
I'm trying to watch this on All4 via my PS4 but the link just takes me to the semi-final coverage.  There doesn't appear to be a way to access the final itself.  Anyone else experiencing this?

Also, when I try All4 on my PC it repeatedly says flash player not installed.  I've installed it, allowed it to run on that page, refreshed but keep getting the same message.

tearing my hair out here.  Any advice will be gratefully received.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2019, 11:55:37 AM
I'm trying to watch this on All4 via my PS4 but the link just takes me to the semi-final coverage.  There doesn't appear to be a way to access the final itself.  Anyone else experiencing this?

Also, when I try All4 on my PC it repeatedly says flash player not installed.  I've installed it, allowed it to run on that page, refreshed but keep getting the same message.

tearing my hair out here.  Any advice will be gratefully received.

https://www.channel4.com/now/c4

You'll need to register
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 11:56:06 AM
Is this a World Cup final?? Zero atmosphere.


Not really what we'd want when they've banged it on free-to-air to try to appeal to a wider audience. *dons tinfoil hat* ECB will be massively helped in keeping it all locked away on pay telly if there's no "worthwhile" uplift in figures from this exercise.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:56:49 AM
Sorry what is All4?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:58:08 AM
We need a wicket here. Theyíve got a platform.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 11:59:24 AM
Sorry what is All4?


The C4 all-encompassing version of the iplayer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 11:59:54 AM
This is garbage Plunkett.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:01:24 PM
Sorry what is All4?

Channel 4ís catch up TV option.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
Must be a Chrome issue.  Watching it now on Microsoft Edge.  Cheers.  Rant over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:10:15 PM
Iím really underwhelmed by our performance so far, this is a good platform that we have allowed them to build. From the attack only Woakes deserves any credit so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 12:11:16 PM
4.28 run rate at the moment. That's absolutely fine.  NZ are going to have to take some risks. 77 for 1 from 18.  That's a good start from England.

That said, I would like to see us pitch it up more.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
Yep other then Woakes the bowlers havenít been great. Weíre in some difficulty here. Bowling far too short.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
4.28 run rate at the moment. That's absolutely fine.  NZ are going to have to take some risks. 77 for 1 from 18.  That's a good start from England.

Iím not so sure. We donít look at all threatening with the ball and itís all a bit flat. Most of our bowlers seem to be having a collective off day.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
Agreed, weíre not creating anything here. That run rate is fine for them, because itís going up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 12:16:01 PM
4.28 run rate at the moment. That's absolutely fine.  NZ are going to have to take some risks. 77 for 1 from 18.  That's a good start from England.

Iím not so sure. We donít look at all threatening with the ball and itís all a bit flat. Most of our bowlers seem to be having a collective off day.

We are a bit inconsistent to be fair.  I'm often critical of our bowling as we don't seem to have a plan and I think Morgan should be telling the bowlers to use Woakes's performance as a yardstick.  Rashid drives me fucking mad with his floaty shit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
4.28 run rate at the moment. That's absolutely fine.  NZ are going to have to take some risks. 77 for 1 from 18.  That's a good start from England.

Iím not so sure. We donít look at all threatening with the ball and itís all a bit flat. Most of our bowlers seem to be having a collective off day.

We are a bit inconsistent to be fair.  I'm often critical of our bowling as we don't seem to have a plan and I think Morgan should be telling the bowlers to use Woakes's performance as a yardstick.  Rashid drives me fucking mad with his floaty shit.

We need to start mixing up the bowlers to try and buy a wicket. Iíd stick Archer back on and ask him to bowl fast and straight for a couple of overs. As long as he pitches it up!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:20:22 PM
Need a couple of wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
NZ look good for around 250 at the moment. That's ok. It's getting warmer and batting will be easier as the day progresses.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:26:32 PM
I think they look good for 300+. Theyíre accelerating and weíre not carrying a threat at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 12:28:02 PM
Plunkett back on, hopefully gets some joy from a second spell.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:29:29 PM
Giving them too many runs. This is too easy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
Going to review and he should be out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 12:30:48 PM
OUT!!!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 12:31:09 PM
Great review by Morgs
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:31:11 PM
Williamson gone! Well done Plunkett.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:31:16 PM
End of Williamson.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:31:42 PM
Thatís a huge wicket

Dharmascena gets one wrong again!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 12:32:00 PM
Very decisive from Morgan, he absolutely knew it was out.  Now, 22.4 overs gone and NZ just over 100 on the board, England are defo on top!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
Dharmascena gets one wrong again!
lol...he's had a terrible world cup.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:33:34 PM
Need Taylor early.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:34:07 PM
Dharmascena gets one wrong again!
lol...he's had a terrible world cup.

Contrast that with the wonderful decision by Erasmus earlier. Heís easily the best international umpire.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
Taylor and Neesham are the two key wickets is restricting them to a reasonable score.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:35:33 PM
I have a feeling NZ will bowl better here, particularly Boult. We donít want to chase too many.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
Plunkett hits the length. Very good come back.

Does worry me a bit that bowling full does the job, NZ will do that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
If we can keep plugging away and take regular wickets then we should be able to restrict them to around 220.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:51:57 PM
I have a feeling NZ will bowl better here, particularly Boult. We donít want to chase too many.
However conditions will be different later on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
Lot of pressure on Taylor now due to good cricket from England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
Good tidy bowling from Plunkett there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
Good fielding in the inner ring.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
The sun coming out, hopefully negating the swing of the ball slightly later on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:19:05 PM
Big wicket. My gut feel was it was missing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 01:20:46 PM
Got 'im! Looked a bit high in truth, above the knee roll.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:25:11 PM
This pitch looks tricky.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 01:26:35 PM
We are choking them.  Keep it up.  First boundary for a while there!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
That's poor really.  Having the technology available and letting a howler like that stand.  It's a World Cup final ffs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
Poor from Stokes. Neesham is a dangerous player.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 01:31:30 PM
That's poor really.  Having the technology available and letting a howler like that stand.  It's a World Cup final ffs.

Yes it's a bit odd that cricket, a game well suited to breaks where decisions can be easily reviewed, severely limits the number of times it can be used.  Football on the other hand, a game which is much more free-flowing, uses VAR all the time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
This the key partnership now for the NZ because another man coming in will need a bit of time to get going.  These two have to take risks so I hope we don't start bowling half way down the wicket. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
Needed that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 01:46:14 PM
Out!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
Great variations from Plunkett but Neesham gifted that wicket. Still I will take as many as I can get!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2019, 01:53:46 PM
Looking back through this thread (and any cricket threads on here really) you can see Villa fan pessimism in all it's glory.

For me, as with Australia in the semi, they had a good spell art the change bowlers but the slow start meant they never got ahead of the rate (teams know that they need 250+ runs on the board against us) so they needed to keep accelerating and that translates to scoreboard pressure which means wickets in the 20-40 over spells.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 01:55:29 PM
Thatís a great comeback after his first two overs from Plunkett. Excellent.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 14, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
I haven't watched this many adverts for about 15 years.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 01:59:48 PM
Looking back through this thread (and any cricket threads on here really) you can see Villa fan pessimism in all it's glory.

For me, as with Australia in the semi, they had a good spell art the change bowlers but the slow start meant they never got ahead of the rate (teams know that they need 250+ runs on the board against us) so they needed to keep accelerating and that translates to scoreboard pressure which means wickets in the 20-40 over spells.

To be fair, if there's a team in world sport who'll let you down nearly as often as the Villa, it's the England Cricket team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
Indeed and thereís still over half this game to go.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
The live betting odds are currently 3/1 New Zealand and 2/9 England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:06:37 PM
Expensive over from Wood there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:10:45 PM
And Archer through wides.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:11:09 PM
Three wides in an over....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:11:53 PM
Two expensive overs there, could do with no more of those, thanks.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 14, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
I haven't watched this many adverts for about 15 years.

Pepe's budget didn't stretch to the final by the looks of things.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Wood has struggled for wickets in the World Cup and today was not different. Heís going to be a key bowler in the Ashes so he needs to step up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 02:18:35 PM
230 will be ok 250/260 would be competitive.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Great over from Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 02:20:03 PM
CDG was battered and bruised by Archer there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
CDG a walking wicket there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:23:54 PM
This pitch looks sluggish and difficult. I think 250 odd would be a very tough chase.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:32:46 PM
Buttler that is dreadful. Itís a shocking delivery as well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 02:33:21 PM
Suicide by Latham
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 02:34:29 PM
Suicide by Latham

A wicket caused by scoreboard pressure.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
Poor from Woods there.  Dot balls much more important than wickets at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 02:40:07 PM
Poor from Woods there.  Dot balls much more important than wickets at the moment.

It was Woakes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
They all look the same these ball chukkers😂
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:42:15 PM
That's who I meant!

30 extras today.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Great death bowling from Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
Brilliant from Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
Well bowled Archer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 02:44:44 PM
Yep excellent. Now batsmen do the job.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 14, 2019, 02:47:20 PM
Good work England. 242 to win it all.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 02:47:22 PM
Ducking the last ball of the innings.  What a pillock.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 02:47:33 PM
Every top order batsman got in but didn't go one to make a score, other than Nicholls.  A very decent bowling performance without taking NZ apart.  England red hot favourites and a good start might take the game right away from New Zealand.   At the start of the game, we'd have taken that all day long.  A couple of danger men with ball in hand and well marshalled in the field but I still fancy England here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
Let's attack from the off and try to get the game wrapped up in the first fifteen overs, like we did against the Crims.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:03:04 PM
I think early runs are important. Itís the most dangerous time with the ball, but also get the most value for shots as well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 03:05:35 PM
Let's attack from the off and try to get the game wrapped up in the first fifteen overs, like we did against the Crims.

I agree.  We have to ignore their score and just play the game to the plan we normally have when we are batting.  If we lose a couple of early wickets, drop anchor and re-evaluate.  On any normal day, the way the one day stuff has been played over the last 10 years, 241 should never be enough.  This the best chance we will ever have of winning the World Cup, ffs, please take that chance England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 14, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
I'm getting as nervous as I was on the morning of the Play-Off Final. BTW, Shane Warne looks better without the botox!  :D
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:10:19 PM
I feel sick.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:12:57 PM
Here we go with part two. Iím so nervous!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
Review first ball, I thought it was going down the leg
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:14:33 PM
Thatís so close!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:14:35 PM
THank fuck for that. Christ.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:16:28 PM
Why wasn't that given out ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
I think the commentators are over playing that. It looked very leg side to me, I think the umpires decision was fair.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
Why wasn't that given out ?

It was an umpireís call.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:17:48 PM
This is going to be bloody hard.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
Bloody hell this is tough.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 03:19:39 PM
Yikes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
There was millimetres in that.  Very very lucky.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Boullt looks like Stewart Downing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 03:20:45 PM
Blimey Roy....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
Why wasn't that given out ?

It was an umpireís call.

Must have taken into account that the bowler looks far to much like Stewart Downing too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 03:21:53 PM
There was millimetres in that.  Very very lucky.

I reckon, when that much of the ball is hitting the stumps, the third Umpire should over-rule.  Perhaps a rule to bring in after the Final though!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:22:10 PM
Boullt looks like Stewart Downing.

Beat me to it Newby.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 03:23:25 PM
Boullt looks like Stewart Downing.

Beat me to it Newby.

He really does doesn't he.  Poor bloke!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:23:56 PM
There was millimetres in that.  Very very lucky.

I reckon, when that much of the ball is hitting the stumps, the third Umpire should over-rule.  Perhaps a rule to bring in after the Final though!

I think it takes account of the margin of error in the technology.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bernie on July 14, 2019, 03:24:55 PM
Goodness me we're riding our luck here
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
This will be a good test of Royís ability ahead of the Ashes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 03:27:03 PM
I wish Ian Smith wasn't so biased with his commentary, they are supposed to be neutral.  It's making me more nervous.  I'm glad i don't smoke!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
This is exceptional bowling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 03:29:16 PM
I wish Ian Smith wasn't so biased with his commentary, they are supposed to be neutral.
I don't mind him actually.  He's not like Ian Chappell, who thinks all non-Australians are shite, he's just so enthusiastic and desperately wants his team to win, which is fair enough for me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:34:05 PM
Boullt looks like Stewart Downing.

Beat me to it Newby.

He really does doesn't he.  Poor bloke!!

Poor sod indeed, didn't think anyone could look more weasely than Downing. Good bowler tbf.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Exceptional bowler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:36:17 PM
Yeah, we've been pretty fortunate so far.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 03:36:18 PM
Roy gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:36:19 PM
Roy gone. Fuck.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 03:36:45 PM
Yeah, we've been pretty fortunate so far.

Spoke too soon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 03:37:45 PM
And thatís why Roy would struggle as a Test match opener.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
Come on Joe. Big hundred today please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
Fantastic bowling so far. Root will be vital here, the match is ideally suited to a nudger and nurdler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
And thatís why Roy would struggle as a Test match opener.

Iím not sure that there was much he could have done about that ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
Hmmm.. the lawn needs mowing😧
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
And thatís why Roy would struggle as a Test match opener.

Iím not sure that there was much he could have done about that ball.
Yes but lack of footwork was obvious.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:43:16 PM
And thatís why Roy would struggle as a Test match opener.

Iím not sure that there was much he could have done about that ball.
Yes but lack of footwork was obvious.

Henry bowled the ball with perfect line and length and left the batsman in two minds. That delivery would have got most international openers out in all forms of cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
Dreadful pitch, as they have been throughout by and large.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
Urgh this is unbearable.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:55:30 PM
Fuck this is unbearable
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:57:20 PM
Bairstow dropped.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave P on July 14, 2019, 03:58:22 PM
Bairstow dropped.

It was Root. Should have been taken. Simple caught and bowled change for CDG
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 03:58:34 PM
No atmosphere at all. Just plain boring.The wicket is poorly prepared for a showpiece final
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 03:58:59 PM
Weíve got to find a way of shifting the balance here. Theyíre all over us.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 03:59:05 PM
Theyíre applying pressure with the ball with two consecutive maidens but pressure eased with that drop by CDG. it was a regulation chance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:00:14 PM
This is going to be the third maiden.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
The sun coming out might help the batsmen. Turgid at the moment
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:04:10 PM
Got to rotate the strike better.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 04:06:26 PM
Empty seats ma Lord.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:07:31 PM
Jeez Jonny!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Four relieves the pressure. And another streaky four. They all count!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
Empty seats ma Lord.

Not surprised with the prices. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 04:10:19 PM
How much were they selling for?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
India supporters bought 40% of all the tickets before the tournament started.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:12:59 PM
New Zealand have bowled beautifully. I think their game plan was to try to do to us what they did to India in the semi when they were reduced to 24-4 chasing a low total. That we havenít lost too many wickets is helping to calm my frazzled nerves, or maybe Iím clutching at straws.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:13:06 PM
Bairstow dropped.

It was Root. Should have been taken. Simple caught and bowled change for CDG

Think it was Jonny B.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2019, 04:13:33 PM
Commentator: "fantastic crowd" really ? No fucking atmosphere whatsoever.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:15:53 PM
Commentator: "fantastic crowd" really ? No fucking atmosphere whatsoever.

I think even the Hollies Stand would be subdued by this nail biter.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:17:49 PM
Root wicket down to pressure and frustration
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:17:52 PM
Thatís a fucking dreadful knock from Root.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 04:18:32 PM
Pathetic from Root, fucking awful.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:18:36 PM
Joe Root you twat.  Frustrated with 30 odd overs to go!! Fucking brainless.

That's the sort of shit decision taking that starts a collapse.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:19:52 PM
Thatís such a stupid thing to do. We had taken the sting out a bit and now weíre right in the mire. Such a brainless shot.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
The Root dismissal could work in our favour if Morgan gets his eye in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:20:22 PM
Step up Morgan please.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
Lost the plot
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:21:07 PM
A Captain's innings needed. If he wants an OBE for winning the World Cup, he has to earn it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 14, 2019, 04:21:26 PM
Time for Morgan to deliver.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
Dire batting from Root.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:22:47 PM
A Captain's innings needed. If he wants an OBE for winning the World Cup, he has to earn it.

He can't have an OBE, we've been through this! A KBE, maybe.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:22:48 PM
Iím staggered by Rootís idiocy there. Such an appalling effort.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
A Captain's innings needed. If he wants an OBE for winning the World Cup, he has to earn it.

He can't have an OBE, we've been through this! A KBE, maybe.

Oh, ok.  I missed that debate.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
Iím staggered by Rootís idiocy there. Such an appalling effort.

If Roy isn't a test player, then on that showing Root isn't a one day player.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:24:01 PM
Good running. Put the pressure back on England. No good having a 25% strike rate.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
Another wicket away from a defeat here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
I was still pretty Zen before that Root dismissal. One more wicket and it's definitely time to start panicking 😕
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
One wicket from defeat?  Let's not be too dramatic chaps.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:26:41 PM
We need to be proactive, get rotating the strike. Put the pressure back on them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:26:51 PM
Suns out now.

Lords never seems to produce anything but a pitch that does plenty. Dire atmosphere, pitch that helps the opposition. Might as well be in Eden Gardens.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:28:03 PM
Morgan trying to be positive there and nearly holes out!  Jeez. The pressure and nerves must be getting to them.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2019, 04:28:12 PM
Suns out now.

Lords never seems to produce anything but a pitch that does plenty. Dire atmosphere, pitch that helps the opposition. Might as well be in Eden Gardens.

It's the fucking graveyard of English cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:28:36 PM
Who said NZ had no chance? Commentators talking utter bollocks.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:28:42 PM
One wicket from defeat?  Let's not be too dramatic chaps.
I think we need these 2 to hang around a bit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 04:28:43 PM
We're not going to win this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:29:12 PM
If we lose this we should never play at Lord's again. Boost the capacity of Edgbaston and have that as the new national stadium.

We should do that if we win this, too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:30:48 PM
Who said NZ had no chance? Commentators talking utter bollocks.
Itís that kiwi twat
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:30:49 PM
I donít want to see a fucking juggler either.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
Played Jonny, a much needed boundary
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
Lovely shot from Jonny. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
If we lose this we should never play at Lord's again. Boost the capacity of Edgbaston and have that as the new national stadium.

We should do this if we win this, too.

We should have produced an absolute road. Instead its greener than fucking Wembley.

3 down. Fuckig shite. Fuck Lords.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:32:12 PM
Fuck
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:32:14 PM
Oh fuck.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:32:17 PM
Bairstow gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:32:31 PM
Fucking well done Isha youíve jinxed us here.

Fuckís sake. Weíre going to lose this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
Oh no!! Bairstow out. Are we going to bottle it?

I'm getting a bit sick of this anti-England commentary too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 14, 2019, 04:33:20 PM
Game over
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
Oh dear
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
Right, this is the partnership. Positivity.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:34:24 PM
Oh no!! Bairstow out. Are we going to bottle it?

I'm getting a bit sick of this anti-England commentary too.

Yep, Ganguly is pissing himself.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:34:28 PM
Game over
No but I am slightly concerned.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:35:27 PM
How does Stokes approach this?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Colhint on July 14, 2019, 04:35:43 PM
If we lose this we should never play at Lord's again. Boost the capacity of Edgbaston and have that as the new national stadium.

We should do this if we win this, too.

We should have produced an absolute road. Instead its greener than fucking Wembley.

3 down. Fuckig shite. Fuck Lords.

England don't have anything to do with the pitches in the world cup. It's controlled by 1CC
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 14, 2019, 04:36:07 PM
Still 50:50 in my mind, but this partnership us now crucial.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:36:09 PM
Surely one decent partnership isn't too much to ask?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Itís a long tail, even if they are competent.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 04:37:58 PM
Game over, I predict we won't even get 200.  I'm off to the pool, bugger this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:38:10 PM
If we lose this we should never play at Lord's again. Boost the capacity of Edgbaston and have that as the new national stadium.

We should do this if we win this, too.

We should have produced an absolute road. Instead its greener than fucking Wembley.

3 down. Fuckig shite. Fuck Lords.

England don't have anything to do with the pitches in the world cup. It's controlled by 1CC
Thatís how it should be as itís an international tournament not home test match series.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:39:21 PM
This is going to test Morgan, Stokes and Buttlerís true class. Letís see if they have it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
Buttler owes something big. He got that century in a losing cause and not much else.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
Game over, I predict we won't even get 200.  I'm off to the pool, bugger this.
You will regret it if you do.😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
The pitch is still doing a lot and NZ are a great fielding team.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 04:42:46 PM
That was pathetic from Morgan.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
If we lose this we should never play at Lord's again. Boost the capacity of Edgbaston and have that as the new national stadium.

We should do this if we win this, too.

We should have produced an absolute road. Instead its greener than fucking Wembley.

3 down. Fuckig shite. Fuck Lords.

England don't have anything to do with the pitches in the world cup. It's controlled by 1CC

Lords pitches are always like this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
That was pathetic from Morgan.

Bit harsh.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 14, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Not feeling optimistic here
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:50:12 PM
200 looks ambitious.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
Fuck thatís tight
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:50:59 PM
Well done Morgan. Good effort....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 14, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
And that will be that!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 04:51:19 PM
We've fucked it.

Four years of work undone by an hour's panic.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 14, 2019, 04:51:27 PM
Fuck off
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:51:34 PM
Bollocks
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2019, 04:51:49 PM
Game over boys.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 04:51:50 PM
Have to say I kind of expected this, weíve bottled it big fucking time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:52:04 PM
This is just like the Sri Lanka game. Fucking do something Buttler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
Pathetic from England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 14, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
I'd say that's about that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 04:52:36 PM
What an opportunity missed. Free to air viewing and its absolutely garbage viewing thanks to a shit pitch, panic and some dire batting. Millions who weren't interested switching off as it confirms the reasons they never bothered in the first place.

Be all out by 150.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:53:06 PM
Buttler do something.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Karlos96 on July 14, 2019, 04:53:36 PM
I pretty much expected this whatever sport it is in more often than not England will bottle it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 04:53:49 PM
This is NZís game hands down.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tricky59 on July 14, 2019, 04:54:03 PM
Got it in one.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2019, 04:54:48 PM
We have just blown a massive chance to win the World Cup haven't we?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
With these two at the crease we still have a chance but itís a tough ask.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 04:55:47 PM
I think NZ have played well and we havenít.
Roots idiotic play was the catalyst
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: CT on July 14, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
Dear oh dear. It's not looking good.

The swathes of empty seats have really annoyed me too today. The atmosphere is awful. Final should be at Edgbason / Headingly etc.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
This was always the fear for me and it looks like we are getting bogged down.  Another quick wicket here and I think the game is up.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 04:56:56 PM
I'm amazed the win predictor is still in England's favour.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tricky59 on July 14, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
Looks like the wicket is drying and doing more for the bowlers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2019, 05:02:27 PM
New Zealand 1/2 England 13/8.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
I'm amazed the win predictor is still in England's favour.


My Google newsfeed one has it 61/39 NZ
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
Not only did the Indian supporters believe they would win the World Cup, the sompanys targeting the Indian market did as well.
Every advert on Willow is aimed at Indians some even in a Hindi.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
This is just like Sri Lanka.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 05:08:48 PM
Stokes is massively struggling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 05:15:28 PM
Buttler use your brain, that is not the shot.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 05:17:03 PM
Game over, I predict we won't even get 200.  I'm off to the pool, bugger this.
You will regret it if you do.😊

Iím watching the kids play, I have an ice cold beer and itís 30c. I bet you regret it more than me!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 05:23:07 PM
Game over, I predict we won't even get 200.  I'm off to the pool, bugger this.
You will regret it if you do.😊

Iím watching the kids play, I have an ice cold beer and itís 30c. I bet you regret it more than me!
Not sure what you are on about? What can be better than hiding behind the sofa and locking yourself in the loo every 5 minutes :-[
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 05:24:35 PM
Not only did the Indian supporters believe they would win the World Cup, the sompanys targeting the Indian market did as well.
Every advert on Willow is aimed at Indians some even in a Hindi.
And all hospitality balconies full of saffron.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
Where is that Psychologist when you need her/him?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 05:32:22 PM
Bit of atmosphere finally.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 05:34:26 PM
Itís still unbearably tense. The sofa looks like somewhere I can hide behind until this is all over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 05:35:02 PM
What does the win predictor say now I wonder?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
Finally a partnership,
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 05:38:07 PM
I realise people pop for a drink now and again but there are way too many empty seats there.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 14, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
Get your prayer mats out...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
I realise people pop for a drink now and again but there are way too many empty seats there.

Well the ICC are in the BCCIís pockets and allowed Indian fans to buy something like 40% of available tickets. When India went out a lot of their fans must have made a decision not to attend the final, even as a neutral.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2019, 05:54:37 PM
England could do with a bit of support.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
I realise people pop for a drink now and again but there are way too many empty seats there.

Well the ICC are in the BCCIís pockets and allowed Indian fans to buy something like 40% of available tickets. When India went out a lot of their fans must have made a decision not to attend the final, even as a neutral.
That's about right. I (allegedly) met a BCCI official at Edgbaston and he was openly boosting about all sorts of demands ICC have to accommodate from his Board. A very arrogant man he was as well.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
A quiet and thoughtful crowd apparently at Lords.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 05:56:33 PM
I have now moved slightly to recognise it's New Zealand's to lose. :(
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
A quiet and thoughtful crowd apparently at Lords.


Every sports promoter's dream.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
It currently sounds like a morning session on a second day at Edgbaston...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 06:03:03 PM
Buttler picks out a beauty.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
Sunday afternoons are meant to be relaxing! This has been so tense from ball one this morning.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
Members were absolutely disgusted with that indecorous stroke from Buttler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:08:39 PM
This is torture.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 06:10:59 PM
This is torture.

Just logged on to check the score.  How is it torture?  We're clearly not going to score 8 an over, especially with the players left.  It's like being 3-0 down in the last 80 minutes of a Cup Final having used all your subs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2019, 06:12:35 PM
Need to start accelerating now...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 14, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
Need a couple of 10+ overs soon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
If these two stay together it's England's world cup however at the moment  my money would be on NZ.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
They've got 3 overs of Trent Boult too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:17:02 PM
This is torture.

Just logged on to check the score.  How is it torture?  We're clearly not going to score 8 an over, especially with the players left.  It's like being 3-0 down in the last 80 minutes of a Cup Final having used all your subs.

It's about even.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:18:53 PM
They seem to have ten players in the circle and a dozen on the boundary.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:19:51 PM
A boundary! We did a boundary!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 06:22:18 PM
Well done Stokes for keeping that out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 06:26:23 PM
FUCK
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:26:38 PM
Fuck.

Over to you Woakesy
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:26:43 PM
Shite 😕
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: CT on July 14, 2019, 06:26:58 PM
I reckon that's it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 06:27:06 PM
Time to step up. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:27:37 PM
Mon Woakesie.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 14, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
Come the Villa man you can do it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 14, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
Címon Chris you can do it
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 06:34:50 PM
And thatís the game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
Gutted.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
A right old Leeds-up
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Exciting gameplan leaving us to need thirty-six off the last over...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: thick_mike on July 14, 2019, 06:39:53 PM
Jeez! Some tense finish
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
Stokes looked fecked
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 06:50:30 PM
Inches that was from a good catch
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:51:01 PM
I canít take much more of this!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:52:32 PM
Needed something from that ball, now 15 off 6 bowled by Trent Boult is a big ask.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 06:52:37 PM
Well thatís embarrassing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
Bloody hell, weirdest 6 ever
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
Jeez
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:58:16 PM
Ha ha lucky bastards!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
Well, it's not a boring finish...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 06:59:26 PM
I donít think Iíve ever watched anything so unbelievably tense.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2019, 07:00:28 PM
Brainless run out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
Super over time
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Who do you send out ?

Iíd go Buttler and Morgan
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
Foooooooook me....super over
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:01:59 PM
Those wides have royally fucked us.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:02:26 PM
Roy and Buttler
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
Brainless run out.

Que?

Had to go for both runs. Didnít matter about getting out in either case
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 07:02:53 PM
Foooooooook me....super over
Errrr...whatís just happened and wtf is a super over?!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
Stokes and Buttler to bat and Plunkett to bowl. If Stokes has nothing left in the tank then Roy and Buttler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
Wow.  Cricket is crap ainít it?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:03:58 PM
Who bowls ?

Woakes, Archer or Kerplunk
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 14, 2019, 07:04:16 PM
Fucking hell! This is stupidly tense.

I don't even know what a super over is!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
What happens if after the over it's a draw, a super duper over?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
Foooooooook me....super over
Errrr...whatís just happened and wtf is a super over?!
Just been explained on TV. Both teams get one over to score more and win.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2019, 07:05:46 PM
What happens if after the over it's a draw, a super duper over?

Team with the most boundaries in the course of the match and the super over wins.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
so if it's a draw after the over whoever scored the most boundaries in the 51 overs wins. Numberwang.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 07:07:01 PM
What happens if after the over it's a draw, a super duper over?

Team with the most boundaries in the course of the match and the super over wins.
Apparently that would be England?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
I think I would rather chase in a Super Over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:09:27 PM
I think I would rather chase in a Super Over.

Yep, how many youíre chasing might change who bats with Williamson
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:11:04 PM
This is cricketís equivalent of a penalty shoot out
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:11:25 PM
Well, if they wanted a decent advert for cricket on terrestrial telly, they've had it. Whoever wins. What a match.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
Looks like its going to be Archer
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:14:39 PM
15...... thatís ok
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 14, 2019, 07:15:27 PM
Let's all hold hands...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:16:57 PM
Archer will NOT go for 15.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 07:18:26 PM
So they need 16 to win from 6 balls.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 07:20:02 PM
Mr Archer, go be a hero. They are good enough to get those runs, we have to bowl wicket to wicket. Please England. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 07:20:06 PM
I can imagine Australia bowling underarm.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:21:27 PM
No Williamson
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:21:42 PM
Come on Jofra time to write your name in the history books
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:22:22 PM
No Williamson

Possibly come in as a third batsman.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
Urgh, wide
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
Nervy start. Come on, mate.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:24:33 PM
That was never a wide
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
Fuck
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:25:13 PM
Fuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 14, 2019, 07:25:18 PM
Why did they pick Archer?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2019, 07:26:20 PM
Archer will NOT go for 15.

I agree, it will be 20 after you cursed him!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:27:28 PM
Stroke of genius sending in Neesham
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
I think we need a dot ball, maybe a bouncer
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:28:06 PM
Time for the Ball of the Century.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:28:19 PM
Down to the last ball then. This match has had everything
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:30:02 PM
Thatís why sport is fucking brilliant
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 07:30:12 PM
Holy shit! They only gone and done it! 😂🤗
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:30:21 PM
Oh my my my...Kiwis were so unlucky.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2019, 07:30:59 PM
At least Risso had a nice time by the pool...

(winky)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 14, 2019, 07:31:10 PM
Never in doubt.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
Yaaaaasssss
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2019, 07:31:23 PM
I need a cup of tea. This will never happen again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:33:58 PM
Fucking awesomeness in all of its glory
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 14, 2019, 07:34:45 PM
Get in!!!!

Horrible way for NZ to lose though (after losing the last World Cup Final and hoping to put that right).

And it could so easily have been us!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa Lew on July 14, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
Fantastic absolutely brilliant England, but as Nasser Hussein said cricket was also a winner.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: walsall villain on July 14, 2019, 07:36:27 PM
That was too much. So tight all the way through. Great that it was on proper tv
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 14, 2019, 07:37:52 PM
Got to give massive credit to Roy for that clean fielding and accurate throw under huge pressure on the last ball...imagine how much he must have been shitting it as that ball came towards him.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:38:19 PM
That was too much. So tight all the way through. Great that it was on proper tv

Bunch of glory hunting cheap skates ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 07:42:18 PM
Absolutely unbelievable, I genuinely cannot believe it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
A Barbadian, a New Zealander and an Irishman walk onto a cricket pitch.............and win the World Cup for England
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ajmant on July 14, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
Sport. Wow!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2019, 07:44:36 PM
Oh my my my...Kiwis were so unlucky.
The overthrow 6 and the rule that level was a loss.
Feels not right somehow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
I've never seen anything like it in sport. The ebb and flow, the tension, the pressure. Fucking hell!

Stokes unreal. That's one unbelievable finish!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:45:15 PM
I best head outside and do some gardening. Need some exercise after being sat down all day
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 14, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
Missed most of it because of a trip out with our grandson, tried to keep in touch but luckily got home for the final knockings.  What a finish, such a fine margin would have been incomprehensible at the start of play.  Who would have seen that coming?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
Credit Archer for turning that around
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Tomorrow Iím at the County Championship Division Two match between Gloucestershire and Leicestershire.

Iím sure that itíll be just as exciting ;)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Oh my my my...Kiwis were so unlucky.
The overthrow 6 and the rule that level was a loss.
Feels not right somehow.


Not complaining obviously, but shouldnít the team whoíve lost less wickets win if the scores are level?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
Stokes man of the match for me
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 07:52:16 PM
Oh my my my...Kiwis were so unlucky.
The overthrow 6 and the rule that level was a loss.
Feels not right somehow.


Not complaining obviously, but shouldnít the team whoíve lost less wickets win if the scores are level?

The tournament rules say different
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 07:54:34 PM
I think whoever finishes higher in the group should win if it's a tie. Which would have been England...
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2019, 07:58:17 PM
Whichever teamís name sounds closest to ĎEnglandí should win.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2019, 08:00:19 PM
The Wikipedia page listing cricket world cup finals and how they were won has already been amusingly edited.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dicedlam on July 14, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Stokes man of the match for me

He deserves a sword touch on each shoulder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 08:10:56 PM
Kane Williamson is one classy guy, itís always such a pleasure to play the Kiwis because they play the game hard but fair and always within the spirit of the game.

Imagine the reaction of the Aussies if that 6 had been given against them!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: dave shelley on July 14, 2019, 08:12:20 PM
They can only be described as Irish Noses (https://www.facebook.com/manstuff/photos/a.202601109774343/2689481394419623/?type=3&theater)

Begrudgery at its finest. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 08:13:43 PM
Kane Williamson is one classy guy, itís always such a pleasure to play the Kiwis because they play the game hard but fair and always within the spirit of the game.

Imagine the reaction of the Aussies if that 6 had been given against them!

Indeed. Itís a weird winning rule.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2019, 08:15:32 PM
They can only be described as Irish Noses (https://www.facebook.com/manstuff/photos/a.202601109774343/2689481394419623/?type=3&theater)

Begrudgery at its finest.

To be fair, if you're replying to a c**t like that it's probably hard to be magnanimous.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Holte132 on July 14, 2019, 08:26:47 PM
The Wikipedia page listing cricket world cup finals and how they were won has already been amusingly edited.

Amusingly?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2019, 08:37:57 PM
Thought I'd seen most things in sport, but the last over and the super over was unbelievable,  sport at its best.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 14, 2019, 08:38:22 PM
I hope Andrew Strauss takes over from Trevor Bayliss after the Ashes. 

What an amazing game, I doubt we will see another like it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 08:39:36 PM
I occasionally post on an Aussie cricket forum and for such a successful sporting nation they are incredibly bitter.  It's one thing being a sore loser when you've lost a final but being a sore loser when you weren't even in the final is taking it to the next level.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 08:40:01 PM
I hope Andrew Strauss takes over from Trevor Bayliss after the Ashes. 

What an amazing game, I doubt we will see another like it.

Not for me.  Strauss is an administrator at heart.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 14, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
Bollocks. Just like the Sheff Utd game for me that was when I left the ground with 10 mins remaining. This time I took the dog for a walk when Plunket fell thinking no chance. Oh me of little faith.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 08:53:46 PM
I occasionally post on an Aussie cricket forum and for such a successful sporting nation they are incredibly bitter.  It's one thing being a sore loser when you've lost a final but being a sore loser when you weren't even in the final is taking it to the next level.

Iíd expect nothing less from a nation of poor winners and poor losers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 14, 2019, 08:55:16 PM
One of the most incredible days in sporting history. Mind blowing.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 14, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
Apparently we are the only nation to win the football, rugby and cricket world cups.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
I occasionally post on an Aussie cricket forum and for such a successful sporting nation they are incredibly bitter.  It's one thing being a sore loser when you've lost a final but being a sore loser when you weren't even in the final is taking it to the next level.

Iíd expect nothing less from a nation of poor winners and poor losers.

Indeed, they could have had their chance had we not absolutely obliterated them in the semi final.

I like the Kiwiís a fine nation, full of character.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
Apparently we are the only nation to win the football, rugby and cricket world cups.
No one else will ever equal that.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 14, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
What an amazing match, just got more and more tense. The finish was extraordinary. The Kiwis are real good sportsmen totally respect them. What a fantastic final. Ben Stokes - wow!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 09:02:58 PM
Yep, I feel a lot of sympathy for the Kiwis.  To lose that way must be heartbreaking.  They had their chances though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 09:25:20 PM
Stokes has had an incredible tournament with bat. Always getting runs when under pressure.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
Sport at its best.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 09:31:25 PM
Cricket is a superb sport.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lizz on July 14, 2019, 09:33:57 PM
Didn't see the game on television, listened to R5 in my car. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on July 14, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
The most ridiculous amazing thing Iíve ever seen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
When you consider the progress that we have made since we were knocked out of the 2015 tournament then todayís victory is a massive coup for Andrew Strauss as he was the architect of it all. Such a pity that personal tragedy means that heís no longer in the top job, however this win should be dedicated to him. People have been talking of an honorary knighthood for Morgan, for me Strauss is equally as deserving of such an award.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2019, 09:46:17 PM
Yep, I feel a lot of sympathy for the Kiwis.  To lose that way must be heartbreaking.  They had their chances though.

I still think the overthrow incident probably cost them the game.  Was such a freak occurrence and turned a two into a six.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 09:50:18 PM
Yep, I feel a lot of sympathy for the Kiwis.  To lose that way must be heartbreaking.  They had their chances though.

I still think the overthrow incident probably cost them the game.  Was such a freak occurrence and turned a two into a six.

Close games are often decided by small margins, particularly when you consider Boult stepping on to the foam boundary marker when taking a catch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2019, 09:52:44 PM
Yeah those things happen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 14, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
Yep, I feel a lot of sympathy for the Kiwis.  To lose that way must be heartbreaking.  They had their chances though.

I still think the overthrow incident probably cost them the game.  Was such a freak occurrence and turned a two into a six.

Close games are often decided by small margins, particularly when you consider Boult stepping on to the foam boundary marker when taking a catch.

And the second he did Guptill (I think) signalled to the umpire that it was a six, which was a very classy gesture given the situation. I think a lot of players would have kept quiet and let the umpires sort it out. Specially the sandpapering Aussie ones.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TonyD on July 14, 2019, 10:00:38 PM
Should have offered to share the cup with NZ.   That was truly bonkers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
Yep, I feel a lot of sympathy for the Kiwis.  To lose that way must be heartbreaking.  They had their chances though.

I still think the overthrow incident probably cost them the game.  Was such a freak occurrence and turned a two into a six.

Close games are often decided by small margins, particularly when you consider Boult stepping on to the foam boundary marker when taking a catch.

And the second he did Guptill (I think) signalled to the umpire that it was a six, which was a very classy gesture given the situation. I think a lot of players would have kept quiet and let the umpires sort it out. Specially the sandpapering Aussie ones.

And that sums up the difference between those countries that are separated by the Tasman Sea.

The Kiwis were gracious in defeat and if theyíd won Iím sure theyíd have been gracious winners. The Aussies are bad losers and even worse winners.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 14, 2019, 10:03:31 PM
Should have offered to share the cup with NZ.   That was truly bonkers.

No. The tournament rules dictate that there will always be an outright winner.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 10:06:17 PM
They don't. They would have shared the trophy if the final was a washout.

There was no way they could have shared the trophy in those circumstances, though. Nor would New Zealand if they had won in the same way. Nor should they. Both teams knew what the circumstances were going into the final over and going into the decisive Super Over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2019, 10:07:18 PM
The overthrows thing wasn't the Kiwis last chance to win though.  They needed 7 off 4 in the super over and couldn't manage it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2019, 10:10:19 PM
So presumably tomorrow is now a public holiday?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2019, 10:14:22 PM
So presumably tomorrow is now a public holiday?

I'm still owed one from when they won the Rugby World Cup, and didn't Andy Murray win Wimbledon twice? They may as well just give us the week off.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: DB on July 14, 2019, 10:24:55 PM
That was horrible to watch but a superb match. Yes, respect to the Kiwis.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 14, 2019, 11:52:48 PM
Should have offered to share the cup with NZ.   That was truly bonkers.

Would New Zealand have done that? The answer is no.

English sports fans have a many a tale of woe, bad luck and what might have been.

It's our turn, we won the World Cup within the rules, in the most dramatic circumstances possible.

So hard cheese, NZ.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 15, 2019, 04:15:24 AM
Should have offered to share the cup with NZ.   That was truly bonkers.

No chance, that is a soft approach. We won full stop, in the most dramatic way possible. You'll be saying Djokovic should share his Wimbledon trophy with Federer next!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on July 15, 2019, 06:29:20 AM
The Aussies are acting like a hybrid of Small Heath/Bitters/Doghead fan saltiness at England's good fortune and the fact that NZ got robbed and it was a tie.  The main point of contention being around the count back not being on wickets lost but boundaries scored.   

Their outrage is absolutely brilliant.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/15-minutes-of-madness-that-decided-the-cricket-world-cup-final/11308738?section=sport

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2019, 07:02:17 AM
The wicket thing is terms of the normal innings is daft. When youíre chasing itís completely different to setting, so always more exposed to losing wickets.

You could make a case for it in the super over, if both sides know going in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 15, 2019, 07:15:18 AM
Although admittedly not of the same magnitude as a World Cup, I went to the NatWest Series final at Lord's at the beginning of the Ashes summer of 2005.  It ended up as a tie on runs scored - and a tie it stayed even though Australia had lost one more wicket.  Those were the rules.  Of course, waiting for the Tube at St John's Wood the Aussies were claiming victory as they had finished top after the group games.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 15, 2019, 07:26:39 AM
The Aussies are acting like a hybrid of Small Heath/Bitters/Doghead fan saltiness at England's good fortune and the fact that NZ got robbed and it was a tie.  The main point of contention being around the count back not being on wickets lost but boundaries scored.   

Their outrage is absolutely brilliant.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/15-minutes-of-madness-that-decided-the-cricket-world-cup-final/11308738?section=sport

They do realise that Australia won a World Cup after tying a game, and that had the same rules been in place yesterday... England would have won?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 15, 2019, 07:37:30 AM
This is the first year we have had Sky Sport (now with no Murdoch) so I've been able to watch plenty of cricket and it's been a wonderful tournament full of sporting endeavour, colourful and noisy crowds, thrilling action and a breath taking final.

NZ V WI was the best match, Braithwaite falling just short under the lights in Manchester on a tense Saturday night, the Aus V Eng semi coming a close second mainly down to that electric start by the England bowlers.

The drama of the final was a fitting end, it did seem to grab everyone's attention and pushed cricket back into the spotlight from which it has hidden since 2015, made heroes of the participants and hopefully will boost participation, particularly at youth level.

But of course, it wouldn't be Britain without that dark cloud on the horizon. The game will disappear back behind the paywall, the 100 will be forced through despite what we saw yesterday, the sight of second and third generation Asians waving England flags and supporters of all countries standing shoulder to shoulder will become but a memory as the bigots hold sway again and some VAR inspired spoilsport will seek to strip another sport of drama and chaos and the "correct outcome" will trample over that heady mix of skill, bravery, and good fortune that makes us all fall so hopelessly in love with sport.

And as good as yesterday was (and I'm in a distinct minority here I would imagine) I'd give it all back to win the Ashes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 08:01:26 AM
After yesterdayís events, Radio Gloucestershire traffic reports this morning are referring to ďSuper-Over RoundaboutĒ, ďRoots CornerĒ and ďCricketley HillĒ 😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 15, 2019, 08:16:34 AM
Alan Brazil's not a happy bunny on Talksport!  :D
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 08:28:50 AM
And as good as yesterday was (and I'm in a distinct minority here I would imagine) I'd give it all back to win the Ashes.


I'd be with you on that
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 15, 2019, 08:50:48 AM
I expect to win the Ashes. Home teams win test series.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: KRS on July 15, 2019, 09:07:09 AM
Alan Brazil's not a happy bunny on Talksport!  :D
Why is the miserable git unhappy today? Surely not because heís Scottish and doesnít like England winning anything?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 15, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
Alan Brazil's not a happy bunny on Talksport!  :D
Why is the miserable git unhappy today? Surely not because heís Scottish and doesnít like England winning anything?

He's sobered up for the first time in months and remembered 1981.....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2019, 09:22:42 AM
Cricket is as exciting as smoking crack in a suit doused in petrol during a high-speed car chase (https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/people-who-dont-like-cricket-are-wrong-say-experts-2-20190715187428), says The Daily Mash.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
I expect to win the Ashes. Home teams win test series.

Yep I expected to win both. I wouldnít have given up the World Cup though. After such an incredible turnaround since 2015 we needed tangible reward.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's. 
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
I made some money yesterday. In the penultimate over England had slipped to 7/1 but I was still confident with Stokes in there that I placed  £50 on it. Double happy today😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 15, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.
Nah, Edgbaston is a great venue for England but it's Lord's every time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: BC Villain on July 15, 2019, 12:34:01 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.

Totally agree.  Dont think it's a coincidence that England have a poor record at Lords.  Places like Edgbaston have the atmosphere of a bear pit.  Lords is too stuffy because of the "oh, jolly well played sir" mentality of the members.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.
Nah, Edgbaston is a great venue for England but it's Lord's every time.

I'm not sure. In my experience, Lord's is full of stuffed shirts, members, celebs, politicians and officials who seem determined to stamp out any fun being had. Much more fun and freedom at the Oval/Edgbaston.....even Old Trafford. I'll draw the line at Headingly.

The atmosphere would have been much much better elsewhere, I reckon
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2019, 12:51:08 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.

Totally agree.  Dont think it's a coincidence that England have a poor record at Lords.  Places like Edgbaston have the atmosphere of a bear pit.  Lords is too stuffy because of the "oh, jolly well played sir" mentality of the members.

I think the team feel the pressure more at Lords as well, there's much more freedom to England when they play at other grounds (particularly Edgbaston and Trent Bridge). It's a tough one, I get why Lords is always used from a tradition perspective but it's really not a good ground for England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 15, 2019, 12:51:45 PM
According to none other than an Australian, the 6 off the overthrow should have been a 5.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11763533/should-englands-ben-stokes-six-have-been-a-five-in-cricket-world-cup-final

Only in Australia, ungracious shackle rattling tossers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 15, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.
Nah, Edgbaston is a great venue for England but it's Lord's every time.

I'm not sure. In my experience, Lord's is full of stuffed shirts, members, celebs, politicians and officials who seem determined to stamp out any fun being had. Much more fun and freedom at the Oval/Edgbaston.....even Old Trafford. I'll draw the line at Headingly.

The atmosphere would have been much much better elsewhere, I reckon

From what I could judge from the telly, the atmosphere was rocking.  Maybe it would have been a little more rocking at Birmingham but Lord's is a fantastic place to watch cricket. What a day.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 15, 2019, 01:14:31 PM
It's worth noting that the first Ashes test is at Warwickshire County Cricket Ground, Edgbaston (not the Edgbaston Stadium) and not Lords, without looking at the history I'm sure it usually starts at Lords and ends at the Oval. Perhaps the change is to give England some momentum and get them off to a good start, it's well know that the players love it up here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2019, 01:25:04 PM
Apparently we've lost one test at Edgbaston since 2001
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.

Totally agree.  Dont think it's a coincidence that England have a poor record at Lords.  Places like Edgbaston have the atmosphere of a bear pit.  Lords is too stuffy because of the "oh, jolly well played sir" mentality of the members.

Nope. It was the World Cup Final. That has to be played at Lord's.

History counts

Also, I prefer the 'stuffed shirts' to the Barmy Army and especially Billy and his fecking trumpet
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 02:04:28 PM
Was the wrong call made by the umpires by awarding 4 extra runs after the ball hit Stokes' bat ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel

EDIT - as already mentioned by Jon
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 15, 2019, 02:25:02 PM
Was the wrong call made by the umpires by awarding 4 extra runs after the ball hit Stokes' bat ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel

As I posted above, only an Australian has made this conclusion.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 15, 2019, 03:08:04 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.

Totally agree.  Dont think it's a coincidence that England have a poor record at Lords.  Places like Edgbaston have the atmosphere of a bear pit.  Lords is too stuffy because of the "oh, jolly well played sir" mentality of the members.

Nope. It was the World Cup Final. That has to be played at Lord's.

History counts

Also, I prefer the 'stuffed shirts' to the Barmy Army and especially Billy and his fecking trumpet

It's not about what you prefer. Aussies, New Zealand and a few more prefer Lord's.

England prefer Edgbaston.

Take advantage of being at home and play the final at Edgbaston. And keep the semis away from Lord's, too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2019, 03:25:53 PM
Was the wrong call made by the umpires by awarding 4 extra runs after the ball hit Stokes' bat ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel

As I posted above, only an Australian has made this conclusion.

If Stokes had known he needed more off the last ball heíd have played a different shot and the end result would still have been an England win so no harm done.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Dr Butler on July 15, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
a mate was desperate to go as he had been at Edgbaston for the semi-final and on Sat night managed to secure two tickets at £190 each for himself and his wife....he said it was worth every single penny :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2019, 04:18:31 PM
The rule is ambiguous. It could mean the runs completed prior to the throw, or all runs completed before or after and that you also get the benefit of any runs that arenít completed but the runners had crossed.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: BC Villain on July 15, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
Fantastic result! can't help wondering what the atmosphere would have been like if they'd played it a a proper ground ( Oval or Edgbaston would have been my choice) instead of Lord's.
Nah, Edgbaston is a great venue for England but it's Lord's every time.

I'm not sure. In my experience, Lord's is full of stuffed shirts, members, celebs, politicians and officials who seem determined to stamp out any fun being had. Much more fun and freedom at the Oval/Edgbaston.....even Old Trafford. I'll draw the line at Headingly.

The atmosphere would have been much much better elsewhere, I reckon

From what I could judge from the telly, the atmosphere was rocking.  Maybe it would have been a little more rocking at Birmingham but Lord's is a fantastic place to watch cricket. What a day.

The atmosphere at the end was good due to the tension,  but the majority of the final had the atmosphere of a knock about on the local village green.

I get the history and heritage that Lords offers, but it never generates that atmosphere of an Edgbaston or even the Oval.  They might not admit it publicly,  but the Aussies hate playing at Edgbaston because of the partizan atmosphere, whereas England thrive on it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
Was the wrong call made by the umpires by awarding 4 extra runs after the ball hit Stokes' bat ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27194046/umpires-made-error-judgement-awarding-six-runs-says-simon-taufel

As I posted above, only an Australian has made this conclusion.

If Stokes had known he needed more off the last ball heíd have played a different shot and the end result would still have been an England win so no harm done.

Exactly whether it was right or wrong you canít treat it in isolation. Who knows if England had needed three at the end Stokes might have taken more of a risk on that full toss and won the game there and then. Or he might have been caught and weíd have lost.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 15, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
Apparently we've lost one test at Edgbaston since 2001

The Aussies haven't beaten us there since 2001 in any form of the game. They don't like it up 'em Mr Mainwaring!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 07:52:00 PM
And as good as yesterday was (and I'm in a distinct minority here I would imagine) I'd give it all back to win the Ashes.


I'd be with you on that
No. No need to be obsessed about one Country.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 15, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
And as good as yesterday was (and I'm in a distinct minority here I would imagine) I'd give it all back to win the Ashes.


I'd be with you on that
No. No need to be obsessed about one Country.

We aren't obsessed, we just don't like the cheating, shackle rattling, unsporting, gobby, criminal wankers!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2019, 08:03:07 PM
Weíve won the World Cup, now win the Ashes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 15, 2019, 08:04:49 PM
Alan Brazil's not a happy bunny on Talksport!  :D

I listened to that this morning and heard nothing to suggest he was moaning about anything. He and Dean Saunders were very upbeat and self deprecating at the same time.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 08:10:36 PM
We aren't obsessed, we just don't like the cheating, shackle rattling, unsporting, gobby, criminal wankers!
No one will argue with that😆
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2019, 08:26:58 PM
I've not checked, but I'd bet there's never been a period as long without an Ashes win as the wait for a World Cup. Nfw I'd swap.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 15, 2019, 08:52:08 PM
One of my regrets was not hearing yesterdays events on TMS but 5Live are repeating the last hour including the Super Overs. I'm nervous all over again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2019, 08:59:20 PM
One of my regrets was not hearing yesterdays events on TMS but 5Live are repeating the last hour including the Super Overs. I'm nervous all over again.


just been listening , it is great and I am not a mad fan!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 15, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
I see Kevin Pietersen is saying that he thinks the atmosphere at Lords was the best he's even seen, anywhere.  What a wonderful spectacle.  The man really is a plank.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 15, 2019, 10:08:22 PM
I see Kevin Pietersen is saying that he thinks the atmosphere at Lords was the best he's even seen, anywhere.  What a wonderful spectacle.  The man really is a plank.
Why does that make him a plank?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2019, 10:17:52 PM
I think the atmosphere was great for the last hour or so and any comments like Pietersen's are about that. Before that it was really flat, even during the largely very good bowling performance.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on July 15, 2019, 10:19:26 PM
I think the atmosphere was great for the last hour or so and any comments like Pietersen's are about that. Before that it was really flat, even during the largely very good bowling performance.
Just out of interest - were you there ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Pete3206 on July 15, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
The Aussies are acting like a hybrid of Small Heath/Bitters/Doghead fan saltiness at England's good fortune and the fact that NZ got robbed and it was a tie.  The main point of contention being around the count back not being on wickets lost but boundaries scored.   

Their outrage is absolutely brilliant.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/15-minutes-of-madness-that-decided-the-cricket-world-cup-final/11308738?section=sport



Seemed like some fair comments to me. Not really much outrage.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2019, 11:44:10 PM
I think the atmosphere was great for the last hour or so and any comments like Pietersen's are about that. Before that it was really flat, even during the largely very good bowling performance.
Just out of interest - were you there ?

No, but I did get that directly from my cousins who were. To be a bit clearer what they said is "It was a decent at the start but flattened out pretty quickly and didn't really get going again until Stokes and Buttler were set." "Once Buttler went the crowd got really nervy until the last few overs." "The end was great though, when Stokes hit that 6 the crowd changed completely."  That's pretty much the impression I got from the TV and that many people have said. I did miss a chunk in the middle to take the kids out though.

I've been to Lords a few times before though (not for years to be fair) and it was very similar in a couple of those games. I just think the history of the place weighs heavy on England, we have to play there but it often doesn't go well for us. Most countries have a home ground where things just don't go so well for them (Australia at the WACA for example).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on July 16, 2019, 06:17:09 AM
The Aussies are acting like a hybrid of Small Heath/Bitters/Doghead fan saltiness at England's good fortune and the fact that NZ got robbed and it was a tie.  The main point of contention being around the count back not being on wickets lost but boundaries scored.   

Their outrage is absolutely brilliant.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/15-minutes-of-madness-that-decided-the-cricket-world-cup-final/11308738?section=sport



Seemed like some fair comments to me. Not really much outrage.

Yeah you probably need to look at the ABC facebook page and had some of the conversations I've had at work for that in fairness.  I'd share the link but i'm IT illiterate in that sort of thing im afraid.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2019, 03:06:18 PM
Bob Willis has Woakes ahead of Broad for an Ashes place

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12932/11764267/stuart-broad-and-chris-woakes-are-battling-it-out-for-an-ashes-place-says-bob-willis
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2019, 04:05:34 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 16, 2019, 04:11:10 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.
Dom Sibley might be in with a shout over Roy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2019, 04:14:33 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.
Dom Sibley might be in with a shout over Roy.

I suspect he'll be the next one to get a chance but that they'll go with Roy for the world cup 'feel good' factor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Broughty-Villian on July 16, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
As I understand the rules, It's not an overthrow, till it's "mis-fielded". so the original throw was going to the bowlers end, once it hit the batsmen, it was then an overthrow. The ball was being fielded to the bowler and would have been fielded by him, plus there was a kiwi backing up the bowler.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 16, 2019, 04:57:24 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

I would be tempted to get Mark Wood in ahead of Curran.

He's shown good fitness during the WC and if it doesn't swing then Curran is cannon fodder.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 16, 2019, 05:02:30 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

I would be tempted to get Mark Wood in ahead of Curran.

He's shown good fitness during the WC and if it doesn't swing then Curran is cannon fodder.

He went off with a side strain after his spell in the final, I donít know how serious it was.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2019, 06:18:11 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

I like Curran. He feels like the forgotten man, but heís class and heís put in a great showing for the Lions.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

I would be tempted to get Mark Wood in ahead of Curran.

He's shown good fitness during the WC and if it doesn't swing then Curran is cannon fodder.

It does generally swing in England though. He was excellent last summer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 16, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

I would be tempted to get Mark Wood in ahead of Curran.

He's shown good fitness during the WC and if it doesn't swing then Curran is cannon fodder.

It does generally swing in England though. He was excellent last summer.

I think he was good at the start of the India series, then became less effective as the summer went on. His batting is his stronger suit in my opinion, but possibly not strong enough alone to warrant inclusion.

He's a talented cricketer no doubt who should continue to improve, but I'd look at the side with Anderson, Woakes and even Stokes who can be very effective when its swinging, and want an extra strike bowler for when its flat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 16, 2019, 06:42:38 PM
I think pace will be important on pitches with no ICC interference and a red Dukes ball. So Archer and Wood must play as long as Wood stays fit.

I like Woakes and I think Curran has that X Factor which he showed last season. So if Woods comes in then itís a choice between Woakes and Curran.

Nice selection headaches to have though.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2019, 07:36:22 PM
I left wood out because this is the 4th or 5th bowler so it needs someone who can get runs. I think Wood can only come in as 10 or 11 and he's behind Archer and Jimmy.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2019, 08:35:20 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

Not sure that they need five seamers.

Foakes might play instead of Curran
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
Foakes batted three for the Lions, which is interesting.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2019, 10:16:43 PM
Roy, Burns, Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Curran, Ali, Woakes, Archer, Anderson

Lot of all rounders but it's where our strength is.

Not sure that they need five seamers.

Foakes might play instead of Curran

That was my alternative rather than wood but I just think Curran will get the nod, 6 wickets and a half century in the Lions game has to count for something.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 17, 2019, 07:27:39 AM
Interesting analysis here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49007967
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Andy Zaltzman has been a great addition to TMS.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 17, 2019, 09:16:46 AM
Andy Zaltzman has been a great addition to TMS.

I've really enjoyed their coverage throughout the tournament, particularly their daily podcast which I'm missing! I used to listen to it in the car on the way to work. Hopefully they will do something similar during the Ashes.

Speaking of which, the Ashes is our first series in the World Test championship, I only discovered that last week on Cricinfo.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2019, 09:21:56 AM
The World Test Championship is a brilliant idea, done terribly. Basically everything you would want or expect is missing.

Are all the Test teams involved? No, only nine out of twelve.

Do the other three, at least, get regular, organised matches and a chance at promotion into the Championship? Nah, fuck 'em.

Do the nine teams all play each other so that it's fair? No, they play six out of the eight teams, fairness doesn't matter.

Do you at least have the biggest rivalry involved, India vs Pakistan? No.

Will India v Pakistan be involved the second time around? No.

Load of old shite.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2019, 09:39:15 AM
Andy Zaltzman has been a great addition to TMS.

I've really enjoyed their coverage throughout the tournament, particularly their daily podcast which I'm missing! I used to listen to it in the car on the way to work. Hopefully they will do something similar during the Ashes.

Speaking of which, the Ashes is our first series in the World Test championship, I only discovered that last week on Cricinfo.

I doubt that Zaltzman will feature on TMS during the Ashes because, I assume, Andrew Samson will be back and Zaltzman will be in Edinburgh during August
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
The World Test Championship is a brilliant idea, done terribly. Basically everything you would want or expect is missing.

Are all the Test teams involved? No, only nine out of twelve.

Do the other three, at least, get regular, organised matches and a chance at promotion into the Championship? Nah, fuck 'em.

Do the nine teams all play each other so that it's fair? No, they play six out of the eight teams, fairness doesn't matter.

Do you at least have the biggest rivalry involved, India vs Pakistan? No.

Will India v Pakistan be involved the second time around? No.

Load of old shite.

England play 22 matches, whereas Pakistan and Sri Lanka only play 13

Ireland and Afghanistan given Test status and then told to go away and play with Zimbabwe

Makes as little sense as 'The Hundred'
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 17, 2019, 02:04:41 PM
Sibley going well against the Aussies again.  30 not out off 70.  Doing his job, blunting the attack.  First wicket didn't fall until the 28th over.

Apparently England will be resting a few players for the one-off Test against Ireland.  They may have a look at Sibley in that.

Edit: He was out a few balls later.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 17, 2019, 02:13:05 PM
Squad announcements

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49013831

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 17, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
Squad announcements

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49013831

Lewis Gregory is an interesting one.  He's taken 44 wickets in 8 games this season for Somerset and can bat too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 17, 2019, 02:24:40 PM
Wood is out for 4 to 6 weeks so will miss at least two tests. Archer is also injured but as heís headed back to Barbados he will be assessed when he gets back.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
I had completely forgotten about Olly Stone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 17, 2019, 06:26:57 PM
I'd be amazed if England get through the Ashes having used only two opening batsmen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 09:06:52 AM
I think that only the weather can save the England Women's team from losing every game to the Aussies this summer

Ellyse Perry is on another level. She's scored 297 runs since last being dismissed in a Test Match
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 11:29:34 AM

Ireland and Afghanistan given Test status and then told to go away and play with Zimbabwe




....who have now been suspended by the ICC  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49038834
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
Tucked away in the Zimbabwe story.....

Quote
In another decision approved by the ICC on Thursday, a captain will no longer be suspended for serious over-rate breaches, with all players taking equal responsibility and being fined the same amount as the captain.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2019, 11:59:03 AM
I've been pondering getting a ticket to Day 2 of the Ireland Test. Plenty of seats available and I can get one that should be in the shade. However, the forecast 37c in London has put me off.

Even in the shade, that won't be pleasant.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2019, 12:15:16 PM
Jimmy out of the Ireland game.

Wood and Archer doubts for Ashes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49082928
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 23, 2019, 02:14:19 PM
Ffs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2019, 02:27:20 PM
I suspect that this means Curran rather than Foakes will start the first Ashes test.

Roy
Burns
Denley
Root
Bairstow (wk)
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Curran
Woakes
Broad


Maybe Stone for Denley if they think the batting lineup is strong enough

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on July 23, 2019, 10:33:06 PM
Are Australia not very good or have we given them some parks pitch to play their warm-up game on ? Either way, theyíre not learning a lot to help selecting their first test side.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 23, 2019, 10:57:47 PM
Are Australia not very good or have we given them some parks pitch to play their warm-up game on ? Either way, theyíre not learning a lot to help selecting their first test side.

I think it shows that their attack is as good as our attack and that their batting line up is as brittle as ours.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Are Australia not very good or have we given them some parks pitch to play their warm-up game on ? Either way, theyíre not learning a lot to help selecting their first test side.

I think it shows that their attack is as good as our attack and that their batting line up is as brittle as ours.

With all the injuries to England, the Aussie attack is now way better.

My post CWC optimism is draining fast
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 10:01:07 AM
Nice to have test cricket back.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Nice to have test cricket back.

Longest gap between tests anywhere in the world since 1971/72

As much as I like Andy Zaltzmann, it's good to have Andrew Samson back :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
Well, Roy's debut didn't last long.

Good ball according to Aggers
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 24, 2019, 11:13:22 AM
Roy looked terribly nervous before exiting.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
Roy looked terribly nervous before exiting.

He would have been LBW just before but for the no-ball

Even if he fails in the second innings, I think England are committed now to him opening in The Ashes
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
Nicked from Twitter.........Midsummer Murtagh
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
This isn't looking good
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 12:03:14 PM
42-4  :(
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
42-5
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 12:08:22 PM
5 down now.

We don't appear to have prepared for this match in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 12:09:32 PM
Good grief this is appalling.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
42-6
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
Embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 24, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
Shocking start, anyone feeling confident for winning the Ashes?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 12:18:44 PM
43-7
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
I donít think Iíve ever seen a batsmen get bowled through the gate more often than Bairstow.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 24, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
G'wan Ireland!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Nicked from Twitter.........Midsummer Murtagh

Michelle

Murtagh on the Honours Board
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2019, 12:21:19 PM
Jesus.  43-7 against Ireland.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
I donít think Iíve ever seen a batsmen get bowled through the gate more often than Bairstow.

Andrew Samson has just been talking about how often Bairstow is out bowled compared to other players
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Is Alastair Cook open to cancelling his Test retirement?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 24, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
It's at times like these I'm glad I have Irish blood. Priti Patel must be fuming.

8
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
Is Alastair Cook open to cancelling his Test retirement?

Aggers made a subtle comment at the end of his last commentary spell
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 12:48:15 PM
I have Thu & Fri off work, so I'll be watching the Test and starting to read Vic's latest book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Spin-Misadventures-Vic-Marks/dp/1911630199

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/414nPP62K0L._SX337_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 12:53:26 PM
Blimey, probably not even going to bat until lunch!!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 12:53:43 PM
How fucking embarrassing
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
Not the first time Boyd Rankin has caused problems for England.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 12:58:49 PM
Only Roy could claim that he got out to a ball that had his name on it,  it was an excellent ball that got him out. The rest have been pretty average shots by players who in the main havenít played red ball cricket for several months.

Credit to Murtagh though who knows Lords well and he exploited any early morning juice in the pitch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
Ireland have bowled well, it would be unfair to say otherwise. They've put the ball in good areas and made use of the slight movement there has been.

England have just been shocking. A cobbled together team for a match it is clear there has been zero preparation for. The lack of application is no surprise for the test team. The batting has been a disgrace for a number of years yet there doesn't even appear to be an acceptance of the state it is in from the captain/coaching staff.

Hard to see how we can compete in the ashes when we are being blown away by what is probably a 2nd division county attack.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 01:00:57 PM
Only Roy could claim that he got out to a ball that had his name on it,  it was an excellent ball that got him out. The rest have been pretty average shots by players who in the main havenít played red ball cricket for several months.
Although Roy had already nearly chopped on and been plumb LBW off a no ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 01:03:01 PM
I have Thu & Fri off work, so I'll be watching the Test and starting to read Vic's latest book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Spin-Misadventures-Vic-Marks/dp/1911630199

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/414nPP62K0L._SX337_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

You should be able to read the book uninterrupted on Friday.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 24, 2019, 01:04:31 PM
We're in this pickle time and again because we can't see off the new ball.  Sibley would have been a far better pick than Roy, for several reasons.  Okay, Rankin's picked up a couple of cheap wickets but generally speaking if you see off the opening pair it gets easier, especially with the lower ranked sides.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: villasjf on July 24, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
All out for 85
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 01:09:33 PM
85 all out
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 24, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
My Dad claimed he played for a team in Ireland against England in the mid 40ís. He also claimed they beat them. He did embellish his stories mind.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
M is for Embarrassing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
Bloody hell.........MoN is on 'View from the Boundary'
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 01:24:15 PM
Of all the great Irish actors, singers and sportsmen they picked him. Why?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 24, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
Poor start from Broad and Woakes too.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 24, 2019, 02:58:27 PM
From sublime to ridiculous and nowt in between. Could be a long summer.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 04:16:33 PM
Thereís some competition, but this is as bad a day of Test cricket from England that I can remember. Disgracefully poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 05:33:41 PM
Much better with the ball since tea, taken 5-22
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2019, 05:49:47 PM
I do love Curran as a cricketer, always makes things happen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2019, 06:11:32 PM
As much as it's not great seeing us play so poorly I guess this was the entire purpose of this test. A lot of these guys haven't played red ball cricket for a long time so I'd rather see us look completely out of sorts in a one off against Ireland than put in this performance in the Ashes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 24, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
Tricky few minutes for England now, got to face one over.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 11:36:34 AM
Nice bit of application from Leach this morning, doing exactly what a night watchman should do. I disagreed with sending in a night watchman to face an over last night, Roy should have opened as itís his primary role. However Leach has faced 36 balls and is seeing off the new ball.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Nice bit of application from Leach this morning, doing exactly what a night watchman should do. I disagreed with sending in a night watchman to face an over last night, Roy should have opened as itís his primary role. However Leach has faced 36 balls and is seeing off the new ball.

I was ok with it and he's doing a great job this morning. It's just a shame that Burns just can't seem to transfer his club form to international cricket.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 12:47:25 PM
51 for Leach off 82 balls.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
50 for Leach, good on him. Roy has been very aggressive (which I like at the top of the innings) and sits on 28 from 28 deliveries.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 01:13:14 PM
50 for Roy, the fastest 50 on debut by an England test player, 48 balls.

He has an opportunity here which he needs to seize.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 01:21:08 PM
A good morning for England, 122-1 at lunch and so the scores are level.

Leach has batted well and although Roy looked scratchy at the start of his innings heís dug in and played his way into some sort of red ball form.

The pitch has certainly flattened out and the heat has extracted any juice that was left. I think our decision to play 2 spinners may be vindicated as I wouldnít fancy batting 4th on that pitch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
My betting on Ireland seems to have done the trick 😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Roy is doing exactly what they'd have been asking of him. He did look a bit unsure until he got to about 30 but now he's looking in decent nick and showing that he can do a job. I really like the idea of us going after the Aussie bowlers early on so this works for me. Far from convinced by Burns though, his shot to get out today was pathetic, there with an 11 and needing to just see things out and he's waving a loose defensive shot at one a foot outside off. The worst thing is he did it 5-6 times before he eventually got caught out, a leftie not being used to leaving wide ones is just weird.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
No ball for three fielders behind square on the leg side #bodyline
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 02:47:06 PM
Jack Leach is a flukey bugger :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 02:55:23 PM
That was a bloody awful shot by Roy
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 03:07:14 PM
That was a bloody awful shot by Roy

Yep, he looked very frustrated at having barely been on strike for about half an hour.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
Leach dropped twice.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
Out for 92, marvellous innings by a night watchman.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Aww, what a shame, I think the pressure and the heat got to him but that's a truly superb knock for a night watchman.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
Tough for Leach. Technique was slipping in the last half hour .

Brilliant effort though
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 03:56:54 PM
And with a lead of 72 we begin to implode.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
Fucking hell Mo. Iíve always been a fan, but his batting is absolutely dreadful at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 04:50:45 PM
Fucking hell Mo. Iíve always been a fan, but his batting is absolutely dreadful at the moment.

You can add Bairstow to that list too Paul.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
Fucking hell Mo. Iíve always been a fan, but his batting is absolutely dreadful at the moment.

You can add Bairstow to that list too Paul.

Yep, neither of them is adding much here.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Abysmal shot from Root, playing like we're under pressure from the clock when he just needed to bat sensibly and see the lead up over 200.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 05:21:24 PM
Woakes clearly wanted to get back into the changing room to check if Villa have signed anyone else
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 05:22:51 PM
Even a lead of around 200 would make things interesting but I canít see them reaching that.

Also, anyone with a ticket for Saturday is fecked
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 05:35:54 PM
Dismal from Bairstow, Root and Moeen in particular. Root especially, he cost us two wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 05:37:04 PM
Fucking hell Mo. Iíve always been a fan, but his batting is absolutely dreadful at the moment.

You can add Bairstow to that list too Paul.

Yep, neither of them is adding much here.

Yep Bairstow was embarrassing.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 25, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Come on Curran, get us out of the hole again!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
These are massive lower order runs. Another 20 or so and Iíd really fancy us to win, another 50 runs then weíd be favourites.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villafirst on July 25, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
Why are we playing risky one day shots with only 2 wickets left plus 3 full days to go?? It's red ball cricket guys!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 05:49:56 PM
Why are we playing risky one day shots with only 2 wickets left plus 3 full days to go?? It's red ball cricket guys!

We need runs and itís a 4 day test so thereís only 2 days to go.

Whatís the point of our batsmen blocking to remain at the crease? Iíd rather we had something like 200 plus to bowl at than Curran and Broad blocking for the close and costing us runs.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2019, 06:27:27 PM
Why are we playing risky one day shots with only 2 wickets left plus 3 full days to go?? It's red ball cricket guys!

We need runs and itís a 4 day test so thereís only 2 days to go.

Whatís the point of our batsmen blocking to remain at the crease? Iíd rather we had something like 200 plus to bowl at than Curran and Broad blocking for the close and costing us runs.

Well exactly, once you get to that point thereís no point of blocking.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
That early finish boosts Ireland. If weíd lost our last wicket within a couple of balls then Iíd have fancied 20 minutes at their batsmen tonight. Theyíd have been knackered after a long, hot day in the field whereas our bowlers would have been fresh.

As it is they come back tomorrow refreshed with a new ball due. Letís face it Broad never lasts long next day when heís not out overnight.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 11:10:12 AM
Well, that didnít take long
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 11:10:21 AM
Stone bowled first ball of a slightly delayed third day.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:07:32 PM
Good reply so far from England though, the run of deliveries from Woakes to get Sterling was a superb bit of bowling and there was an exceptional catch from Bairstow earlier.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
Good to see Woakes turn up as he was very poor in the first innings.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:20:34 PM
He's bowled another belter there to get McCollum. This is the Woakes we're used to seeing at home and, for me, he has to play when we're at home.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:22:31 PM
He has 4-10 at the moment, a skilful bowler in home conditions.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:24:04 PM
Looked good at full speed and once they slowed it down it was clear they were going to get that on review, fantastic bowling again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: villasjf on July 26, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
24-6 now
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
Without papering over the ever-widening cracks in out batting line up, we are a formidable side with the ball. Imagine how good weíd be if we could actually bat!

24-6

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:41:19 PM
Without papering over the ever-widening cracks in out batting line up, we are a formidable side with the ball. Imagine how good weíd be if we could actually bat!

24-6



We have, in my opinion, about 9-10 bowlers who could justify their inclusion in the team.

Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Curran, Stokes, Wood and Archer as seamers and Ali, Leach and Rashid all have a case as spinners (but personally I wouldn't have Rashid).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:45:34 PM
Iím not sure Iíd risk Archer in the first test, a 4 over spell in the T20 for Sussex isnít ideal preparation for bowling 18 overs in a day and then potentially coming back to do the same the next day.

An attack of Jimmy, Broad, Woakes, Stokes and Leach should work well. I think Ali is too short of form to be considered.

36-8 and a Woakes 5-fer
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
36-9
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 01:48:55 PM
Is there a worse looking batter than Tim Murtagh ?

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 01:49:41 PM
There has been some crappy batting in this Test
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 01:56:46 PM
There has, but this is a stunning spell of bowling more than anything Ireland have done particularly wrong. Woakes in particular has got his length perfect and has been alternating in swing and the odd short delivery. No one has looked to have a measure of how to play him because he's just not let them settle.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 01:57:33 PM
38 all and a 6-fer for our boy Chris Woakes.

What a weird test match!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Bren'd on July 26, 2019, 02:00:45 PM
Match fixing it has to be.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
The middle two innings resembled a proper match!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2019, 02:29:44 PM
The irst and 4th innings did show what can happen in test cricket in the bowling team gets on top and panic sets in though. I don't blame Ireland for panicking a little, and I don't think it'd saved them if they hadn't, but once a team gets on top in bowling friendly conditions it's hard to break out and turn the game away from them. It's odd really, red ball cricket is incredibly bowler biased in most conditions at the moment but white ball has mostly gone the other way. The scores in the world cup did see a closing of the gap, thanks to a lot of bowler friendly pitches, but it's still clear that the different balls have a massive impact.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
Is there a worse looking batter than Tim Murtagh ?



I find that type of batting from a professional really odd. I feel like if I was a professional Iíd have spent a lot of time practicing to at least make me vaguely serviceable with the bay.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 06:22:25 PM
Is there a worse looking batter than Tim Murtagh ?



I find that type of batting from a professional really odd. I feel like if I was a professional Iíd have spent a lot of time practicing to at least make me vaguely serviceable with the bay.

Also, how must Boyd Rankin feel about coming in after Murtagh ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2019, 06:28:27 PM
Perhaps most alarmingly Moeen has started stepping away to leg when he bats now.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
Iíd like to see Malan play in the first Test.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 26, 2019, 07:13:31 PM
Is there a worse looking batter than Tim Murtagh ?



I find that type of batting from a professional really odd. I feel like if I was a professional Iíd have spent a lot of time practicing to at least make me vaguely serviceable with the bay.
Especially coming after Leach's knock.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 07:56:36 PM
Itís a technique/mindset/team orders thing with the current set up.

We now have players who have been raised on T20, who attack and donít look to build an innings. Of the recent players that we have lost through retirement etc Cook and Trott were probably the last batsman to have that prerequisite application.

The appointment of Trevor Bayliss, a white ball specialist, has been to the detriment of our red ball cricket. Now you canít criticise a coach who has just won the World Cup, but the gradual decline of our batting since 2015 is alarming. Now some players are capable of playing multi-format cricket at the highest level but others do struggle.

You can tell a player like Roy or Buttler to play their natural attacking game in red ball cricket and they can carry it off. However other players will struggle. Maybe we need a fresh impetus from a coach with greater emphasis on red ball cricket to replace Bayliss when he goes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
Turn on the womenís Ashes to see us getting absolutely pummelled again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
Turn on the womenís Ashes to see us getting absolutely pummelled again.

Jaysus
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2019, 09:01:07 PM
Amir retiring from Tests at 27, odd.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 26, 2019, 09:03:37 PM
Amir retiring from Tests at 27, odd.

To follow the Worldwide T20 salary enhancement
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 27, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
The IPL will have to change its unofficial stance on Pakistani players if he's to truly coin it.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2019, 09:44:26 AM
It's a bit of an indictment of the test game that players other than India, England and Australia still see Twenty20 as a more realistic way of making money than playing for their countries. The international game is all set up for the benefit of those three, and it needs to change.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
It does. Itís really short sighted from those 3 teams. If you spread the wealth, strengthening the Test game, then I guarantee long-term you make more money.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2019, 11:11:20 AM
There is zero long-term thinking. See also: the general not giving a shit about being in the Olympics, which could double or treble the number of countries that take cricket seriously.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
England squad for first Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.

Moeen's a lucky boy.  His bowling record against Australia has always been mediocre and currently his batting has dropped off a cliff.  He's reached 50 twice in 2 years, and even then hasn't gone beyond 60.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 27, 2019, 12:16:58 PM
Wouldn't be averse to playing Curran or Denly instead of Moeen tbh. It's no good having a spinner just because in theory you'd like to have the options he would bring, if your actual spinner can't be relied upon to execute any of them at the moment.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 12:31:17 PM
Denly's leggies are passable, as is Root's off spin.  I'd prefer a front line spinner though and Jack Leach is the leading English spinner this season.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 27, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
Denly's leggies are passable, as is Root's off spin.  I'd prefer a front line spinner though and Jack Leach is the leading English spinner this season.

Yep, he should be in the squad, but as he's not I'd be tempted to going in without one.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2019, 12:53:04 PM
Thanks for saving saving us from complete embarrassment Jack, now sod off.

Donít understand how Mooen is keeping his place.

 Bairstow is also lucky to still be in the squad
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
From that 13, the two to miss out should be Stone and one of Curran/Moeen
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 01:07:41 PM
I don't know if they'll risk Archer in a 5 day game so soon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2019, 01:22:55 PM
I don't know if they'll risk Archer in a 5 day game so soon.

If Jimmy is fit and Stokes up to bowling, this looks to be an ideal time to play Archer. With Woakes, Broad, Jimmy and Stokes in the side, with maybe Curran as well, Archer wonít have to bowl long spells.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 01:42:58 PM
I don't know if they'll risk Archer in a 5 day game so soon.

If Jimmy is fit and Stokes up to bowling, this looks to be an ideal time to play Archer. With Woakes, Broad, Jimmy and Stokes in the side, with maybe Curran as well, Archer wonít have to bowl long spells.
I think that's part of the issue though.  Picking two players (Anderson and Archer) who may not be 100% fit, plus not knowing how many Stokes can give you, is asking for trouble, even if we have lots of all rounders in the side.  I don't think we need to take that risk in the first game of a five game series.  Stone, at his home ground, is in with a good shout.

I'd go:

Burns
Roy
Denly
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Stone
Anderson / Archer

Personally I'd have Sibley in at 2, move Roy to 3, drop Denly, and Leach in for Broad.  Hard to leave Broad out but Stone offers pace the others lack.  In the admittedly few games he's played for England so far he's troubled quite a few front line batsmen.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
I think Moís bowling is fine, especially in England. Look at his performance last summer.

The concern is the batting, including his.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2019, 02:32:10 PM
I don't know if they'll risk Archer in a 5 day game so soon.

If Jimmy is fit and Stokes up to bowling, this looks to be an ideal time to play Archer. With Woakes, Broad, Jimmy and Stokes in the side, with maybe Curran as well, Archer wonít have to bowl long spells.

and it's Edgbaston, where we generally get good wickets for English bowlers and have a fantastic record. I'm ok with it.

Roy, Denly, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow, Curran, Woakes, Archer, Broad, Jimmy.

Possibly harsh on Burns but Root and Denly make a reasonable spin option between them. Moeen needs some time with his county to get some runs and take a few wickets, he's badly out of form right now. Stone would be unlucky to miss out at a ground where he's taken so many wickets in the last 18 months.

Oh, and I had to read the squad about 5 times to check I wasn't picking someone who isn't in because UK redsox said it was 13 but I knew I'd left 3 out in Burns, Moeen and Stone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
I think Moís bowling is fine, especially in England. Look at his performance last summer.

The concern is the batting, including his.

In 5 Tests against Australia in England he's taken 12 @ 45.5 and conceded 4.4 runs per over.  That's not fine.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2019, 02:49:29 PM
I think Moís bowling is fine, especially in England. Look at his performance last summer.

The concern is the batting, including his.

In 5 Tests against Australia in England he's taken 12 @ 45.5 and conceded 4.4 runs per over.  That's not fine.

When was that though? Like I said last summer against India, much better players of spin than Australia, he was excellent.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 03:01:56 PM
He played two Tests against India last summer and was excellent in one and mediocre in the other.  Match figures: 9 for 134 and 3 for 118.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
I'm a big fan of Ali when he's playing well, the problem is he's not at the moment, his batting has abandoned him completely and his bowling hasn't been great either. As I said earlier, I think he needs a few county games to just find his feet again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2019, 09:02:56 PM
I don't know if they'll risk Archer in a 5 day game so soon.

If Jimmy is fit and Stokes up to bowling, this looks to be an ideal time to play Archer. With Woakes, Broad, Jimmy and Stokes in the side, with maybe Curran as well, Archer wonít have to bowl long spells.
I think that's part of the issue though.  Picking two players (Anderson and Archer) who may not be 100% fit, plus not knowing how many Stokes can give you, is asking for trouble, even if we have lots of all rounders in the side.  I don't think we need to take that risk in the first game of a five game series.  Stone, at his home ground, is in with a good shout.

I'd go:

Burns
Roy
Denly
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Stone
Anderson / Archer

Personally I'd have Sibley in at 2, move Roy to 3, drop Denly, and Leach in for Broad.  Hard to leave Broad out but Stone offers pace the others lack.  In the admittedly few games he's played for England so far he's troubled quite a few front line batsmen.

You can't play 12 players Hilts! I wish Root would man up and agree to go in at three.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2019, 10:43:06 PM
You can't play 12 players Hilts! I wish Root would man up and agree to go in at three.
Oopsy.  I thought it looked strong.  Broad misses out then.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 28, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
The England Women were poor again today. Theyíve no answer to Lanning and Perry

Perry is the first person to reach 1000 runs and 100 wickets in international T20s
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
I wish Root would man up and agree to go in at three.

Sky are reporting that Root will bat at three in the first Test.

I assume that he'll just swap places with Denly since there's no reserve batsman in the squad. Unless, they move Stokes to four and play Curran instead of Denly
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2019, 11:05:05 AM
I wish Root would man up and agree to go in at three.

Sky are reporting that Root will bat at three in the first Test.

I assume that he'll just swap places with Denly since there's no reserve batsman in the squad. Unless, they move Stokes to four and play Curran instead of Denly

I wouldn't be surprised if we put out a lot of all rounders. Stokes, Curran and Woakes all playing gives us depth with bat and ball, If Moeen can find some form you'd add him there as well.

I refer back to the team I posted a few days ago:

Roy, Denly, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow, Curran, Woakes, Archer, Broad, Jimmy

If Archer and/or Jimmy aren't fit then it'd be Stone first replacement and Moeen second. As far as I'm aware all the others are fit.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
Based on what Denly has said heís going to be 4.

Iíd pretty wary of going in with 6 seamers.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2019, 07:05:20 PM
Based on what Denly has said heís going to be 4.

Iíd pretty wary of going in with 6 seamers.

My thinking was that Archer and Stokes could used in short spells where they can be ultra-aggressive but i agree, it's one too many, but they didn't include Leach and I'm worried about Moeen's form.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on July 30, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Yep on the basis of Denlys comments its :

Burns
Roy
Root
Denly

Followed I think by :

Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Broad or Archer
Anderson
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2019, 07:21:38 PM
Buttler has to bat higher for me. If heís in as a pure batsman he should be 5, with Stokes 6 and Bairstow 7.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2019, 09:27:38 PM
Could a case be made for dropping Bairstow ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2019, 09:48:18 PM
Thereís probably a case, but the weakness in batting means itís unlikely. I personally think they should take the gloves off him and basically force him to focus on being a class top order bat. We need that more than a wicketkeeper.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 08:39:53 AM
Thereís probably a case, but the weakness in batting means itís unlikely. I personally think they should take the gloves off him and basically force him to focus on being a class top order bat. We need that more than a wicketkeeper.

Got wicket keepers coming out of their ears at the moment. It's tough on Foakes that he's not in the team. His red ball form is better than Jonny.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
Comments coming out from players about targeting and roughing up the sandpaper 3.

Think it would be a mistake to try to really get into Smith and Warner. Both strike me as players who will raise their performance when the world is against them.

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 31, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
Comments coming out from players about targeting and roughing up the sandpaper 3.

Think it would be a mistake to try to really get into Smith and Warner. Both strike me as players who will raise their performance when the world is against them.



The crowd will do that (me included) our players need to rise above it all and maintain the moral high ground, act with dignity.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
Comments coming out from players about targeting and roughing up the sandpaper 3.

Think it would be a mistake to try to really get into Smith and Warner. Both strike me as players who will raise their performance when the world is against them.



Yep, might work with Bancroft but the other two will thrive on it
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/31/jofra-archer-misses-out-as-broad-and-anderson-reunited-for-first-ashes-test
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
England XI: Rory Burns, Jason Roy, Joe Root, Joe Denly, Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler, Jonny Bairstow, Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Stuart Broad, James Anderson
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
Understandable XI. Harsh on Curran, but if they want to retain that spin option it's hard to see how he can play as you can't drop Woakes at the minute.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 31, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
Both Broad and Anderson in and Curran and Archer left out smacks of over reliance on old guard. Broad and Anderson will not physically cope with 5 Tests in just over a month.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
I would have gone with Archer ahead of Broad. That said, Broad has skittled the Cons before and hopefully will do again.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Think its a case of Archer not being 100%, and the selectors being very concerned about the top order, so they've stacked the batting line up down to no 9.

Hopefully have overcast, muggy conditions as the bowling attack lacks pace.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 31, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
Who is going on which day then?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2019, 04:48:20 PM
Day two and three for me. 😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Towser on July 31, 2019, 04:52:57 PM
Day 4 for me
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on July 31, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Day two. Would've liked to have seen Archer in the flesh.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Lsvilla on July 31, 2019, 05:24:56 PM
One, two and three for me. Plus days one and two at Lords, day one at OT, and day 4 at the Oval (sometime in late autumn!). After 10 WC games including the final. I love being retired.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on July 31, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
Shame Archer has a calf injury, would have liked to see him getting the ball up around the Aussie batsmen's throats.

Hoping Woakes has a good game.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: jcsutv on July 31, 2019, 05:35:15 PM
Day one for me
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Rotterdam on July 31, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
Saturday for me.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2019, 05:55:52 PM
If he were fully fit I think Jofra would play. Makes sense not to risk him here, Edgbaston has never been a ground that particularly requires express pace either has it?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on July 31, 2019, 06:04:22 PM
There on Friday and hoping  for at least a dry day if not sunny.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on July 31, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
Iím going on Saturday and Sunday, Iíve booked Monday off work in case it goes to day 5. Unlikely I know, I have a feeling that the game will be all over by Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 31, 2019, 06:39:14 PM
Thereís probably a case, but the weakness in batting means itís unlikely. I personally think they should take the gloves off him and basically force him to focus on being a class top order bat. We need that more than a wicketkeeper.

Got wicket keepers coming out of their ears at the moment. It's tough on Foakes that he's not in the team. His red ball form is better than Jonny.

Utterly agree on Foakes, though Iíd ask Bairstow to field and Denly to step aside (as much as I think Denny deserves his chance, I think the Aussie quicks will expose him horribly).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2019, 07:17:34 PM
Think Iíd probably have Foakes as keeper, Bairstow 4 and Denly opening instead of Burns.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2019, 07:34:01 PM
Day 1 - Radio at work
Day 2 - Radio/TV while working at home
Day3/4 - in front of TV
Day 5 - do they have these anymore
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Richard on July 31, 2019, 07:42:29 PM
Sunday for me, hoping it's still on by then especially as the forecast is now good.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 31, 2019, 07:43:28 PM
Day 1 - Radio at work
Day 2 - Radio/TV while working at home
Day3/4 - in front of TV
Day 5 - do they have these anymore

Day 1/2 - in front of TV
Day 3 - in hospital (hopefully watching on recording)
Day 4 - TV
Day 5 - wallowing in victory/defeat
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2019, 08:47:08 PM
Think Iíd probably have Foakes as keeper, Bairstow 4 and Denly opening instead of Burns.
I think I agree, Burns looked out of his depth against Ireland. The counter is that I don't think anyone should get less than 5-6 tests to earn their place once they're given a cap (unless they have a Kerrigan like shocker where they're clearly not ready for it).
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2019, 08:58:32 PM
No I kind of agree, but I wonder in this case whether it would have been kinder to drop him. He looks in such horrible nick. I wouldnít be drawing a line under his Test career, but in that game he looked so far off it.

Fingers crossed Iím wrong and he gets a century tomorrow!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2019, 10:40:46 PM
Day 2, but with a possibility of getting a ticket for day 4
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 31, 2019, 11:49:27 PM
Whoever's going, make sure you give the Aussies that little extra bit of stick.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/31/name-15-intimidating-venues-edgbaston-tim-paine (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/31/name-15-intimidating-venues-edgbaston-tim-paine)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: OzVilla on August 01, 2019, 07:44:26 AM
I think this is the poorest England team the Aussies have faced in England since at least 2001. Broad and Anderson both entering the sunset of their careers and we just wont score enough runs i'm afraid.

Roy - 1 Test ave 38
Burns - 7 Tests ave 22
Root - last 30 inns ave 34
Denly - 3 Tests ave 24
Bairstow last 38 inns ave 27
Buttler last 31 Tests ave 36
Stokes last 26 inns ave 29
Ali last 32 inns ave 19.

That's not going to be good enough and it's a long term malaise with the bat.  Aussies have their own struggles but they've decent Duke ball experience having used it in the Sheffield Shield last season and county cricket stints.  A win in England will also go along way towards redemption for Smith, Warner and Bancroft such is the fickle nature of sport. That's a massive motivator for those 3.

England 1 - 3 Australia. 

Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2019, 08:28:32 AM
I think that the series will be won by the side that contains a batsman that has a run fest of a series, like Bell did in 2013.

I think Root will shine at number 3 and Roy will contribute too. As always in home conditions I make us slight favourites but it could go either way. The toss will be huge in each test too.

Come on England!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2019, 09:27:43 AM
Here is my take on it before a ball is bowled. This England team is not the best this century ie 2000s. Man for man Aussies are better. Their top batting order is better. Cummins is a better bowler now than the one we saw down under in 2017/18. Starc is getting close to McGrath in line and length. However Lyon is washed out..finished. England must target him. England top order for a Test team is too weak and bowlers are somewhere in between great and ok. By that l mean Jimmy and Broady have been at the top of the hill and are on their way down and Woakes has got a lot to prove. Moeen looks dead. Middle order batting is the only strength in this team. Root great batter but sorry a poor captain. So how will it go? I think, my head says, Aussies to retain the Ashes by 2-1 however my heart says they mess up in more than one match and England sneak in. If England fail it will be down to two main factors. Top order batting and the Captain.
COME ON ENGLAND.....
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 09:54:28 AM
Roy is the key to how England get on for me. If he can contribute with a few quick 50s at the top it'll make a big difference to how Australia attack us. Burns, Denly and Moeen are my only worries, I think the rest of the team is fine but those 3 really need to find some form in this match or I can see them losing their places pretty quickly.

Aside from that, I think the weather might play a big part in this one. It's going to be overcast and pretty humid for most of the test so Jimmy and Woakes should be very dangerous, I don't think the Aussies have anyone that will massively benefit from the conditions like those 2.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
Day 1 start of play just an hour away, this could be a really close series, I think the series will all depend on England's batting. Unfortunately I don't think it's up to much.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Are any of H&V's representatives at the ground yet ?

How's the weather looking ?

Beeb forecast suggests that the afternoon/evening sessions might be a bit on & off
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2019, 10:31:49 AM
Aussies win the toss and bat first, come on Jimmy get a few early wickets.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 10:58:50 AM
David Warner
Cameron Bancroft
Usman Khawaja
Steven Smith
Travis Head
Matthew Wade
Tim Paine(c)(wk)
Pat Cummins
James Pattinson
Nathan Lyon
Peter Siddle
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
Slightly funny that this is the 1st test with names and numbers on the back, and half the England team are covering them up with sweater vests.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:00:24 AM
Slightly funny that this is the 1st test with names and numbers on the back, and half the England team are covering them up with sweater vests.

1st Test of that daft World Test Championship as well
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:01:21 AM
Come on Jimmy, all in from the first ball, lets get into them early.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 01, 2019, 11:06:49 AM
Sounds a good atmosphere. Wish I was there.

Come on England!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:07:34 AM
Warner should be gone.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 11:10:40 AM
Thats a Warner century all but nailed on!
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:14:14 AM
Warner already being warned for damaging the pitch on Lyon's length
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:17:04 AM
Reviewed the wrong one :(
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Panic review there because they didn't review the earlier one. Poor decision.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Gone this time
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
Broad has started really well. Seems to have added a yard of pace
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:19:44 AM
Reviewed the wrong one :(


...didn't matter though :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Got the fucker, great delivery Broad.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2019, 11:20:17 AM
Love all the sandpaper being being waived about in the stand.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2019, 11:21:00 AM
Great early wicket, and the ball was missing lol. Didn't review.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:21:52 AM
Broad has started really well. Seems to have added a yard of pace

The info at the bottom has come up with a fair few 88-89 deliveries from him so far, he's been bowling 83-84 for the last few years.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
it was missing

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kdOPBP9vuZA/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 11:22:52 AM
Great early wicket, and the ball was missing lol. Didn't review.

To be fair that's both teams that have not reviewed one they should've so the end result is that Warner is gone as he should be.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2019, 11:36:41 AM
Oosh Bancroft gone
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2019, 11:37:53 AM
He was shuffling all over his crease, a walking wicket
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villa75 on August 01, 2019, 12:06:40 PM
I've never understood why football officials get torn apart week in week out, by fans and pundits/ex players, and yet cricket officials make mistake after mistake without so much as a shrug.

It's seems football officials are held to a much higher standard. Weird.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 12:15:04 PM
Khawaja gone after a review for caught behind
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
It would be lovely to get Smith before lunch.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
Big wicket for Woakes there, couple of really good deliveries to 'buy' it.


I agree that getting Smith would be fantastic but to be honest 1-2 more before lunch regardless of who would make this a near perfect first session.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2019, 12:20:55 PM
It would be lovely to get Smith before lunch.
Yes so that he can leg it to Digbeth Screwfix to pick up sand paper and an angle grinder before England bat.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Nev on August 01, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
I've never understood why football officials get torn apart week in week out, by fans and pundits/ex players, and yet cricket officials make mistake after mistake without so much as a shrug.

It's seems football officials are held to a much higher standard. Weird.

It's about respect, and acceptance. Respect for the role of the umpire, and acceptance that they are human and will make mistakes. In football, the intensity, driven in the main by money demands perfection which is impossible in sport and impossible for humans but people still refuse to accept this.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Colhint on August 01, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
I've never understood why football officials get torn apart week in week out, by fans and pundits/ex players, and yet cricket officials make mistake after mistake without so much as a shrug.

It's seems football officials are held to a much higher standard. Weird.

I would guess that the decisions in cricket depend on maybe in inch either way and at about 90 mph. Giving them less than a second. The other thing they are doing it 6 hours a day for 5 days.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
Cricket depends a lot more on fine judgement than football.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: hipkiss92 on August 01, 2019, 12:24:56 PM
Big fan of Woakes having 19 as his shirt number
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 12:26:49 PM
Concerning that Jimmy hasn't come back on to bowl again yet. You'd think with the aussies in trouble he'd have been straight back into th attack.

Cannot afford him to be injured.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2019, 12:29:33 PM
Concerning that Jimmy hasn't come back on to bowl again yet. You'd think with the aussies in trouble he'd have been straight back into th attack.

Cannot afford him to be injured.

Is he still off the field?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 12:35:10 PM
Heeeeeeeereeeeeee's Geoffrey :)
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Bringing ali into the attack. Not good signs in terms of Jimmy being injured.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 12:48:14 PM
Looking a good batting strip now. Minimal movement
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 01:22:49 PM
Bringing ali into the attack. Not good signs in terms of Jimmy being injured.

Was Jimmy on the field all morning or did he go off ?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2019, 01:26:56 PM
Jimmy sounds like heís knackered, which is a disaster if true.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
We also need a wicket. Stokes bowling was poor.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
Jimmy sounds like heís knackered, which is a disaster if true.

Yes, going for a scan on his calf.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Jimmy to have a scan this afternoon. Probably losing him for the rest of the match.

With the pitch looking flat now, and Moeen and Stokes bowling poorly, it has to be advantage Australia.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 01, 2019, 01:33:43 PM
Jimmy's gone for a scan on a "tight" calf muscle. 20/20 hindsight I know, but why was he risked? Curran (or even Archer) could have stepped in.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
Disappointing. Can't we get them to say he was concussed and bring another bowler on?
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
Its also huge for Australia mentally knowing that Anderson can't bowl. They can bat carefully against Woakes and Broad, knowing that runs are easily avaliable from Moeen and Stokes.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
This momentum is shifting worryingly.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
No worries yet itís a Test match.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 01, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
No worries yet itís a Test match.

Yeah but England's recent Test batting form ... You could almost say that Australia already have enough runs on the board to secure a first innings lead.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Woakes and Broad bowling beautifully since lunch.

Stokes needs to back it up when he comes on.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
Great delivery from Woakes to get Head and this is another good one for Wade, looks very close.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
Brilliant Woakesy. Now get Smith out.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 02:42:52 PM
Not Smith but well happy to see Paine get out with a pretty poor shot. Into the bowlers now, can't see Broad carrying on after this one but I'd probably bring Woakes back on for a couple.
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2019, 02:47:13 PM
Doesn't matter if we get Smith out if he runs out of teammates. 😊
Title: Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2019, 03:04:06 PM
This is great, we need to finish the job and then bat well.
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Post