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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 07, 2018, 09:59:31 PM
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Disgraceful.
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Appauling refereeing but we should of put it to bed ourselves.
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I'll tell you what, the referees in this league are almost Sunday league. That is as blatant as you like - blatant. Listen to them singing shit on the Villa. Listen good, because this lot know they've been outplayed by a much better team and got lucky.
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Robbed of 2 points but in reality we robbed ourselves by missing so many chances. On the plus side the amount we create against good sides is plain daft.
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All hail the Stripey cheats!!!!
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That decision is still raw but I saw enough today to suggest we’ll be at least playoffs come May.
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Singing 'Shit on the Villa' when you have a double diving handball scoop in to the net to scrape an equaliser at home in injury time. Staying classy and at least they know their place.
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Looked like the assistant referee had a good view of it. From the player's reaction they should have been able to tell.
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Officials are fuckingi ****** but Tammy cost us big time.
We are going to rue those lost 4 points from Forest and tonight.
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the Linesman WAS looking right at it . The wanker.
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Their cheers we're loud 'cos they were hollow. They know they cheated to a draw and that we we're so much better but wasted too many chances. We need to be ruthless, they need to be worried.
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The cheating by Rodriguez and the ineptitude of the officials is absolutely shocking and inexcusable.
But we could, perhaps should, have had 5 by that point. Several poor finishes from Tammy and one poor decision from the officials has cost us tonight.
We are very unconvincing at the back.
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Too many poor passes tonight, and Abraham showed why Chelsea won't be rushing to recall him. If my son had missed that chance I'd have run on to the pitch and battered him!
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Tammy should have put us out of sight but ultimately robbed of two points by shit officiating.
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That decision is still raw but I saw enough today to suggest we’ll be at least playoffs come May.
Playoffs, I think with a couple of defensive signings we will be in the top 2.
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Should have been over well before they started playing netball. I'm not going to grizzle. We are Aston Villa and we are better than than. we are heading in the right direction with well over half a season to go, a transfer window to come and a brilliant coaching set up. Easily the better side tonight. It's a matter of time.
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I accept that the refereeing in the championship is generally bad but that was exceptional. If they’re chuffed with scraping a draw at home like that then that tells you all you need to know.
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Make no mistake, Villa will feel short changed, Albion know we had the making of them and they will carry that for the rest of this season looking over there shoulder with nothing but fear when they play us again or play us in a decider when things get tight, I'm going for a good result, we had them bang to rights.
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Disappointed not to win but we're doing o.k. Obviously their goal should've been chalked off but wouldn't have mattered if Tammy had scored.
WBA didn't impress me a huge amount, we'll finish above them and won't be far off top 2.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
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We’re a joy to watch going forward. Fuk the ref we keep playing how we have been and buy some players we’re going up.
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when a sheepish player lies there and doesnt celebrate . You know hes hand balled the ball.
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One official missing it and getting it wrong Ok it goes like that
BUT TWO !!
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If Tammy could sort his feet out he'd be too hood for this level.
McGinn working hard but not smart too often towards the end. Kodjia equally wasteful in possession.
But that "goal"...fuxking hell, Rodriguez didn't even celebrate it, knowing it was a handball, as he lay sheepishly on the ground.
We'll have a bad spell at some stage, just hoping that the points we dropped here and against Forest when we were bang in-form, won't come back to bite us.
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We should have put that to bed, but I found myself always looking at the clock, I felt something would happen.
Cheating fuckers they maybe, but that goalkeeper is an absolute liability and nowhere near strong enough at this level.
Still, nothing to fear in this league.
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I accept that the refereeing in the championship is generally bad but that was exceptional. If they’re chuffed with scraping a draw at home like that then that tells you all you need to know.
To be fair, if we'd scored an injury time equaliser against them - by whatever means - I'd be chuffed too.
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We're still going up. We're starting to look like the best side in the league on a consistent basis now.
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Rodriguez reaction was one of dissapointment when it went in as he knew it was about to be disallowed.
Officiating of such a low quality that its mildly funny.
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keeper should have claimed Ball & Man.....Nyland is just Not up to it.
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We're still going up. We're starting to look like the best side in the league on a consistent basis now.
Agree
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We’re a joy to watch going forward. Fuk the ref we keep playing how we have been and buy some players we’re going up.
This
back Deano, who has done a remarkable job, get him the 3 or 4 players he wants and we are up
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Robbed of 2 points but in reality we robbed ourselves by missing so many chances. On the plus side the amount we create against good sides is plain daft.
We just need to keep ticking along. 4 points v Stoke-Leeds and then 7 v Swansea-Preston-QPR and we should be well in the top 6 by NYD, maybe even not far off top 2.
We're playing well enough for those to be realistic predictions.
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Too many poor passes tonight, and Abraham showed why Chelsea won't be rushing to recall him. If my son had missed that chance I'd have run on to the pitch and battered him!
It was poor but the ball wasn't the best either, basically played behind him. Still should have done better, obviously, but bolasie not totally blameless either.
Weird game, but I'm feeling very optimistic for the rest of the season, I'm already convinced that playoffs are a given, a good december and a productive transfer window and i can see us going very far.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
Seems Heaton in January is a lingering rumour. It will be like Gordon Banks in goal compared to Nyland who just isn't good enough at the crunch moments I'm afraid.
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We're still going up. We're starting to look like the best side in the league on a consistent basis now.
We are, and we’ll prove to be in the end. Plenty of points to play for both now and after we’ve bought the necessary players. Only FFP can stop us now.
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After the disappointing end,let's reflect on that we gave them a football lesson and created far more chances.If we could do that to the likes of Albion,Boro and Derby away,we have a great chance of automatic promotion.There'll be ups and downs,, but to regard a draw at one of the top six away as a down is impressive.
One consolation is that should have killed any Chelski interest in recalling Tammy.We are one helluva side.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
Seems Heaton in January is a lingering rumour. It will be like Gordon Banks in goal compared to Nyland who just isn't good enough at the crunch moments I'm afraid.
Every time Nyland makes even a routine save I feel elated.
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F-ck the cheating baggies! Rodrigues has form for that. Didn't he go down easily for a penalty to southampton at Villa Park a few years back!
Need to take our chances in games like this, though shame on the officials!
Unbeaten run continues. In Deano we trust UTV!
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Nyland is a straight up bad keeper. You only need to be a half decent keeper to stand out in the championship, like Johnstone.
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I accept that the refereeing in the championship is generally bad but that was exceptional. If they’re chuffed with scraping a draw at home like that then that tells you all you need to know.
To be fair, if we'd scored an injury time equaliser against them - by whatever means - I'd be chuffed too.
Different strokes...
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If we had a centre forward like an andy gray instead of tampax Abraham we would have won tonight
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Very good Sandwell, you took my advice. Boing boing !
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Diabolical from them. However plus side, El Ghazi what a player.
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unbeaten in 6 but more importantly playing like we should win in every game
3 very difficult away games over the few weeks and we haven’t lost any
good signs
Tammy, Kodja for 10 minutes both poor tonight
Nyland just doesn’t command his goal area,
the game in this country doesn’t suit him and we haven’t got the time for him to learn
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Hendire is right...the goalie was shit (again) on the cross for the cheat goal
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
Seems Heaton in January is a lingering rumour. It will be like Gordon Banks in goal compared to Nyland who just isn't good enough at the crunch moments I'm afraid.
If he's that solid then the board should be getting him now, make Deano even more confident that he's going to get what he wants to secure promotion, you can't help but feel this is the first manager since goodness knows when that actually has the key.
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We were the better side by miles and look dangerous so I'm not even mad that we only ended up getting a point. After all those clear cut misses you just knew the inevitable would happen.
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Fuck 'em. That's the only way teams will take points off us this season. We'll be alright.
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On the plus side most of our best players (with the exception of El Ghazi, possibly McGinn) were a 6/10 or worse and it still took a handball to draw with us.
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On the plus side most of our best players (with the exception of El Ghazi, possibly McGinn) were a 6/10 or worse and it still took a handball to draw with us.
and a referee...
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More angry with Nylands way of "attacking" that cross - but Jesus the linesman
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Fuck 'em. That's the only way teams will take points off us this season. We'll be alright.
Yup
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I don’t see how people can blame the keeper our centre for way cost us that game
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
Seems Heaton in January is a lingering rumour. It will be like Gordon Banks in goal compared to Nyland who just isn't good enough at the crunch moments I'm afraid.
Every time Nyland makes even a routine save I feel elated.
That’s absolutely right. Even taking a goal kick where he doesn’t slip over is a relief.
He is far too much of a liability now.
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We are going places with this manager and this side. Only downside is our goalkeeper is Arnold J Rimmer. Need to sort it out ASAP
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Very few clubs would get 14 points from our last 6 games. Pretty much none of them would have scored 19 goals, and none of them would be pissed off it wasn't 18 points and a lot more goals scored. Welcome to the new Villa.
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I don’t see how people can blame the keeper our centre for way cost us that game
No-one's saying Nyland cost us the game. We're just saying he ain't no good.
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The linesman, Nyland and Abraham, in that order, all cost us the deserved win
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To be fair his kicking is actually pretty good. Apart from that...
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The more I see the replay the worse it gets.
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I don’t see how people can blame the keeper our centre for way cost us that game
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Abraham missed a sitter, yes. But has also score a million goals this month. That keeper is a goal against every game it seems.
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The linesman, Nyland and Abraham, in that order, all cost us the deserved win
Abraham, Linesman, Nyland for me
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It’s all very well complaining about the handball but Nyland has once again cost us by trying to fcukin catch a ball at waist height instead of trying to punch. He’s a fcukin liability. Bruce’s last joke on us.
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Officials are fuckingi c***s but Tammy cost us big time.
We are going to rue those lost 4 points from Forest and tonight.
Nah. We'll piss it.
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Its gutting, obviously. Howeve, what I've seen the last few weeks has convinced me we are the best team in this league. Why we took so long to get rid of Bruce is completely beyond me.
Get a new goalkeeper and defensive cover in Jan and we will.go up
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It’s all very well complaining about the handball but Nyland has once again cost us by trying to fcukin catch a ball at waist height instead of trying to punch. He’s a fcukin liability. Bruce’s last joke on us.
Yeah, I imagine he's chuckling away whilst stroking his cat and planning to steal the moon.
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That's a shitty shit but fuck me we're good to watch now and I'm looking forward to the Christmas fix'ies...bring'em on you hand bastards.
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Its gutting, obviously. Howeve, what I've seen the last few weeks has convinced me we are the best team in this league. Why we took so long to get rid of Bruce is completely beyond me.
Get a new goalkeeper and defensive cover in Jan and we will.go up
Yes, I agree. We are playing like the best team in this league, finally. Also agree we need a keeper (priority) and a defender.
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F-ck the cheating baggies! Rodrigues has form for that. Didn't he go down easily for a penalty to southampton at Villa Park a few years back!
Need to take our chances in games like this, though shame on the officials!
Unbeaten run continues. In Deano we trust UTV!
You beat me to it, Rodrigues did indeed fall over nothing to win a penalty against us a few years ago. He was on the fringe of the England squad at that point. Thankfully karma intervened and his punishment was to wash up playing for those gits in the second division. I fully expect karma to atone for his handball tonight too by ensuring that this time next year he is still playing for those gits in the second division.
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I don’t see how people can blame the keeper our centre for way cost us that game
Yeah, so you keep saying.
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It’s all very well complaining about the handball but Nyland has once again cost us by trying to fcukin catch a ball at waist height instead of trying to punch. He’s a fcukin liability. Bruce’s last joke on us.
Yeah, I imagine he's chuckling away whilst stroking his cat and planning to steak the moon.
And counting his millions whilst eating a family platter of pork pies
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We may be the best team in the league coming forward but we're very very average at the back. Calamitous at times. Yes we can get replacements in but the improvement required isn't going to happen overnight. Hopefully - and it's certainly doable - we can score 2 or 3 in most games until then.
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Really happy with how we’re progressing as a team. New keeper and we’ll be going up.
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Very few clubs would get 14 points from our last 6 games. Pretty much none of them would have scored 19 goals, and none of them would be pissed off it wasn't 18 points and a lot more goals scored. Welcome to the new Villa.
I like this summary. It's bang on. We're good.
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We have improved massively under the new Manager...it is like night & day.
We are a definite for the play-offs, sign Heaton and a centre half we will get top 2.
Tammy & the keeper cost is the game. The latter is a complete liability. I thought both wingers were excellent tonight. I thought JK was very poor when he came on though.
p.s. Tony Brown is being a total prick on WM.
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Stoke are going to fucking get it!
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We may be the best team in the league coming forward but we're very very average at the back. Calamitous at times. Yes we can get replacements in but the improvement required isn't going to happen overnight. Hopefully - and it's certainly doable - we can score 2 or 3 in most games until then.
That’s the price you pay for being an attacking team. Personally I love it
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Its gutting, obviously. Howeve, what I've seen the last few weeks has convinced me we are the best team in this league. Why we took so long to get rid of Bruce is completely beyond me.
Get a new goalkeeper and defensive cover in Jan and we will.go up
And we've played 5 of the top 7 away.Chester was back to his best tonight .
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A draw was sadly the inevitable result, once Abraham had missed the sitter.
Nyland is a total liability, trying to catch that cross was utterly ridiculous, when the instinct of any half decent keeper should have been to fist the ball somewhere beyond the 18 yard box, with the oncoming striker propelled on the same trajectory.
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The more I see the replay the worse it gets.
It really is appalling. Nyland's positioning is highly suspect but it's handled away from him and then, a la Denis Wise's goal for England all those years ago, accidentally handled into the net. It happens. We will just have to play our way to promotion. Keeper, left back, centre back and a better defensive midfielder and we are easily up there.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
he is just dreadful, soft as shit for that "goal" at end. take man ball and all ffs
we miss Johnstone something awful to be honest
was thinking at 2-1 up, we had made them look very average, the only moments of danger were Chester's brainfart and that throw in that bounced twice in our box
Abraham missed enough to win 2 games, keep that performance level up and we will easily make play offs
Nyland 4 - not good enough, far too soft, needs replacing urgently
Hutton 7 - unlucky for first goal, made some excellent blocks and did well on left
Tuanzebe 8 - used ball very well and stepped out of the back well all night
Chester 7 - one of his best performances of late, but then a mad moment near end coming for a header and ball bounced over him
Taylor 6 (Elmo 7), Bar a stupid free kick before half time Taylor was solid again until injury, Elmo was very good when he came on at right back and is having a fine season
El Ghazi 8 - mixed in first half but brilliant in second half with an outstanding goal
Hourihane 7 - solid performance again, has started passing the ball with his right foot which is positive
McGinn 9 - outstanding throughout, best player on park by a distance I thought
Grealish 7 (Whelan 6) - quiet in first half but improved in second, good that we arent as completely reliant on him, Whelan competed fine when he came in
Bolasie 7 (Kodjia 5) - similar to Grealish improved after half time, put a goal on a plate for Abraham that should have finished the game, Kodjia was lively when he came on I thought but failing to make an effort to track run at end was crucial, drifting out of contention
Abraham 6 - cant fault his hold up play or movement tonight, its vastly improved, had a shocker in front of goal unfortunately
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I'm still livid with the officials. they cost us the game.
Tammy didn't help, he's not allowed to win anymore PotM's.
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Bomber Brown is a ******.
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Only just got out. I was hoping to see them lift the cup after beating us 2-2.
First time I've been hit by a bottle as well. Sad, sad, cheating ******.
Should have been 3 or 4 tonight. I appreciate you saying you've got to take your chances, but you've got to have confidence that the officials can spot the blatantly obvious.
Atrocious.
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Fuck all of them.
3 points or 1, the rest if this division knows they will be in our shadow.
Forever
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Robbed
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We may be the best team in the league coming forward but we're very very average at the back. Calamitous at times. Yes we can get replacements in but the improvement required isn't going to happen overnight. Hopefully - and it's certainly doable - we can score 2 or 3 in most games until then.
I think we're improving in that area,we restricted the Baggies to very few chances and they are at the moment the leading goalscorers in the league.
Hutton,Chester and Axel were good and are well above average players in this league and I think that we will further improve in that area come the January sales.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
he is just dreadful, soft as shit for that "goal" at end. take man ball and all ffs
we miss Johnstone something awful to be honest
was thinking at 2-1 up, we had made them look very average, the only moments of danger were Chester's brainfart and that throw in that bounced twice in our box
Abraham missed enough to win 2 games, keep that performance level up and we will easily make play offs
Nyland 4 - not good enough, far too soft, needs replacing urgently
Hutton 7 - unlucky for first goal, made some excellent blocks and did well on left
Tuanzebe 8 - used ball very well and stepped out of the back well all night
Chester 7 - one of his best performances of late, but then a mad moment near end coming for a header and ball bounced over him
Taylor 6 (Elmo 7), Bar a stupid free kick before half time Taylor was solid again until injury, Elmo was very good when he came on at right back and is having a fine season
El Ghazi 8 - mixed in first half but brilliant in second half with an outstanding goal
Hourihane 7 - solid performance again, has started passing the ball with his right foot which is positive
McGinn 9 - outstanding throughout, best player on park by a distance I thought
Grealish 7 (Whelan 6) - quiet in first half but improved in second, good that we arent as completely reliant on him, Whelan competed fine when he came in
Bolasie 7 (Kodjia 5) - similar to Grealish improved after half time, put a goal on a plate for Abraham that should have finished the game, Kodjia was lively when he came on I thought but failing to make an effort to track run at end was crucial, drifting out of contention
Abraham 6 - cant fault his hold up play or movement tonight, its vastly improved, had a shocker in front of goal unfortunately
I agree with nearly all of this. Except, Kodjia played like some prima donna again where he doesn't want to track back, gave the ball away softly a couple of times, tried to take them on all by himself. Personally, I'd try and swap him in January. He's just not a team player. I wish he was because he could be brilliant.
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It’s all very well complaining about the handball but Nyland has once again cost us by trying to fcukin catch a ball at waist height instead of trying to punch. He’s a fcukin liability. Bruce’s last joke on us.
Yeah, I imagine he's chuckling away whilst stroking his cat and planning to steak the moon.
And counting his millions whilst eating a family platter of pork pies
He actually anticipated the West Brom player would cheat and let him do it. He's worse than Hitler.
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Rodriguez palms the ball over the line then buries his head as he thinks it will be disallowed. How can we allow decisions like this in the modern game? it could have been the deciding game at Wembley.
Tammy is young but his conversion rate to chances needs to improve he should have put the game away very early but the team as a whole were great to watch we have the best forward set up in the league, strengthen the defence in January and we will qualify automatically.
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I still think we can win this league.
However, we must get 6 points from the next 2 games.
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Fuck off blaming Nyland when that ****** cheats.
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4 will be fine when you see our January and February fixtures.
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Its all very well complaining about the handball but Nyland has once again cost us by trying to fcukin catch a ball at waist height instead of trying to punch. Hes a fcukin liability. Bruces last joke on us.
Yeah, I imagine he's chuckling away whilst stroking his cat and planning to steak the moon.
And counting his millions whilst eating a family platter of pork pies
He actually anticipated the West Brom player would cheat and let him do it. He's worse than Hitler.
I don't think the original comment was meant to be taken as literal.
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If Nyland was even halfway competent then the chance doesn't arise. Weak and timid. Two very undesirable traits in a goalie.
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That ****** Rodriguez has cheated before, shoild have won. There's nothing to fear over the second half of the season.
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Abraham's miss could be as seminal as Whelan's missed pen.
Send a video of it on repeat to Chelski. It should be sufficient to persuade them that Abraham isn't worth recalling.
We need him more than they do and despite tonight's howler he'll win games for us as the season progresses.
That said, our problems are defensive, not offensive. In Smith we trust.
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
he is just dreadful, soft as shit for that "goal" at end. take man ball and all ffs
we miss Johnstone something awful to be honest
was thinking at 2-1 up, we had made them look very average, the only moments of danger were Chester's brainfart and that throw in that bounced twice in our box
Abraham missed enough to win 2 games, keep that performance level up and we will easily make play offs
Nyland 4 - not good enough, far too soft, needs replacing urgently
Hutton 7 - unlucky for first goal, made some excellent blocks and did well on left
Tuanzebe 8 - used ball very well and stepped out of the back well all night
Chester 7 - one of his best performances of late, but then a mad moment near end coming for a header and ball bounced over him
Taylor 6 (Elmo 7), Bar a stupid free kick before half time Taylor was solid again until injury, Elmo was very good when he came on at right back and is having a fine season
El Ghazi 8 - mixed in first half but brilliant in second half with an outstanding goal
Hourihane 7 - solid performance again, has started passing the ball with his right foot which is positive
McGinn 9 - outstanding throughout, best player on park by a distance I thought
Grealish 7 (Whelan 6) - quiet in first half but improved in second, good that we arent as completely reliant on him, Whelan competed fine when he came in
Bolasie 7 (Kodjia 5) - similar to Grealish improved after half time, put a goal on a plate for Abraham that should have finished the game, Kodjia was lively when he came on I thought but failing to make an effort to track run at end was crucial, drifting out of contention
Abraham 6 - cant fault his hold up play or movement tonight, its vastly improved, had a shocker in front of goal unfortunately
Apart from perhaps giving Tammy a 'foive',I think you've nailed it with the marks and comments.'Strictly' or 'X factor' next ,sir.
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Strengthen in January, and we are nearly there now, and we will be even better. Fantastic to see El Ghazi and Bolasie playing so well. They offer us loads going forward and with an ever improving Albert to come back, we are in great shape. Even if we only bring a keeper in, I reckon we will be fine.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
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Only just got out. I was hoping to see them lift the cup after beating us 2-2.
First time I've been hit by a bottle as well. Sad, sad, cheating c***s.
Should have been 3 or 4 tonight. I appreciate you saying you've got to take your chances, but you've got to have confidence that the officials can spot the blatantly obvious.
Atrocious.
.after the cup game a couple of years ago I came across about 20 of them at snow hill. Did they want a tear up. . Did they fuck. Walkers.
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Just left work and saw the result - didn’t see the game (so perhaps not feeling the frustration after the incident at the end) but if you had offered me 11 points from 15 four games back I’d have snapped your arm off - 4 from the next 2 and that’s championship winning form (and those were reputedly difficult).
We will be fine - January and February will see us play a host of teams we will beat and that will set us up nicely for the run home (with 3 or 4 new signings to boot).
Happy days :)
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No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
he is just dreadful, soft as shit for that "goal" at end. take man ball and all ffs
we miss Johnstone something awful to be honest
was thinking at 2-1 up, we had made them look very average, the only moments of danger were Chester's brainfart and that throw in that bounced twice in our box
Abraham missed enough to win 2 games, keep that performance level up and we will easily make play offs
Nyland 4 - not good enough, far too soft, needs replacing urgently
Hutton 7 - unlucky for first goal, made some excellent blocks and did well on left
Tuanzebe 8 - used ball very well and stepped out of the back well all night
Chester 7 - one of his best performances of late, but then a mad moment near end coming for a header and ball bounced over him
Taylor 6 (Elmo 7), Bar a stupid free kick before half time Taylor was solid again until injury, Elmo was very good when he came on at right back and is having a fine season
El Ghazi 8 - mixed in first half but brilliant in second half with an outstanding goal
Hourihane 7 - solid performance again, has started passing the ball with his right foot which is positive
McGinn 9 - outstanding throughout, best player on park by a distance I thought
Grealish 7 (Whelan 6) - quiet in first half but improved in second, good that we arent as completely reliant on him, Whelan competed fine when he came in
Bolasie 7 (Kodjia 5) - similar to Grealish improved after half time, put a goal on a plate for Abraham that should have finished the game, Kodjia was lively when he came on I thought but failing to make an effort to track run at end was crucial, drifting out of contention
Abraham 6 - cant fault his hold up play or movement tonight, its vastly improved, had a shocker in front of goal unfortunately
I agree with nearly all of this. Except, Kodjia played like some prima donna again where he doesn't want to track back, gave the ball away softly a couple of times, tried to take them on all by himself. Personally, I'd try and swap him in January. He's just not a team player. I wish he was because he could be brilliant.
No chance of going up with the weak as water Nyland in goal. The lad is just rubbish.
he is just dreadful, soft as shit for that "goal" at end. take man ball and all ffs
we miss Johnstone something awful to be honest
was thinking at 2-1 up, we had made them look very average, the only moments of danger were Chester's brainfart and that throw in that bounced twice in our box
Abraham missed enough to win 2 games, keep that performance level up and we will easily make play offs
Nyland 4 - not good enough, far too soft, needs replacing urgently
Hutton 7 - unlucky for first goal, made some excellent blocks and did well on left
Tuanzebe 8 - used ball very well and stepped out of the back well all night
Chester 7 - one of his best performances of late, but then a mad moment near end coming for a header and ball bounced over him
Taylor 6 (Elmo 7), Bar a stupid free kick before half time Taylor was solid again until injury, Elmo was very good when he came on at right back and is having a fine season
El Ghazi 8 - mixed in first half but brilliant in second half with an outstanding goal
Hourihane 7 - solid performance again, has started passing the ball with his right foot which is positive
McGinn 9 - outstanding throughout, best player on park by a distance I thought
Grealish 7 (Whelan 6) - quiet in first half but improved in second, good that we arent as completely reliant on him, Whelan competed fine when he came in
Bolasie 7 (Kodjia 5) - similar to Grealish improved after half time, put a goal on a plate for Abraham that should have finished the game, Kodjia was lively when he came on I thought but failing to make an effort to track run at end was crucial, drifting out of contention
Abraham 6 - cant fault his hold up play or movement tonight, its vastly improved, had a shocker in front of goal unfortunately
I agree with nearly all of this. Except, Kodjia played like some prima donna again where he doesn't want to track back, gave the ball away softly a couple of times, tried to take them on all by himself. Personally, I'd try and swap him in January. He's just not a team player. I wish he was because he could be brilliant.
Agreed, Ive been on for getting rid of Kodjia for some time. Adamoah comes back from injury and he is a more likely player to get game time on the wing.
Swapping him for that left back at Sheff Wed, Matt Penney, wouldnt be the worst business.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
No they have not.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
Decidedly stripey stench about this one.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
Don't forget to turn up for your open top bus parade on Monday, you sad stripey c***.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
We know what you are.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
Decidedly stripey stench about this one.
Haha, what a bellend. That genuinely made me chuckle with it's audacity. Bigger. *chuckle*
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
No they have not.
Changed my mind. No, YOU have not been.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
Only sell out when the Villa come to town. Great result for you lot to be fair. A draw at home against a giant of a fucking club that plays forward thinking exciting football, you'll take that all day long.
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Brontebilly, yes mate, agreed.
Lion4Life, seriously mate, get real. Even in their halcyon days with Tiny Penis in charge, they were still completely wank.
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When I hear fans of a side that were Premier League for 8 years with a premier league side singing ‘shit on the Villa’ after securing a 2-2 draw with a last minute deliberate handball I know we are on our way back and the cnuts are worried.
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Brontebilly, yes mate, agreed.
Lion4Life, seriously mate, get real. Even in their halcyon days with Tiny Penis in charge, they were still completely wank.
Brontebilly, yes mate, agreed.
Lion4Life, seriously mate, get real. Even in their halcyon days with Tiny Penis in charge, you were still completely wank.
Fixed.
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If Nyland was even halfway competent then the chance doesn't arise. Weak and timid. Two very undesirable traits in a goalie.
Spot on.
The officials were more culpable in this instance but his list of errors just grows.
I don't particularly blame Rodriguez, as in that situation a player is going to hurl himself at the ball and the handball on the floor wasn't a blatant cheating move. He was probably the most amazed that the goal was given and that the officials made such an awful blunder.
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Haven't read through the thread but when you need some composure up front, don't put Kodjia on. He's becoming a liability and not showing any quality whatsoever.
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Didn't see the vast majority of the game, however I did witness the twatty Boggy equaliser at the death. Shit happens folks. It'll even itself out in the end: and we'll be challenging for the automatics.
Fuck the Albion; UTV; & keep the faith. ;)
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I'm finding it hard to snap out of this one. Haven't felt this way since Small Heath came back to 2-2 when DOL was manager. But at least the Blues didn't fucking cheat.
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The linesman, Nyland and Abraham, in that order, all cost us the deserved win
Abraham, Linesman, Nyland for me
No it’s fucking officials, officials, officials. In that order.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
What a load of bollocks
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The linesman, Nyland and Abraham, in that order, all cost us the deserved win
Abraham, Linesman, Nyland for me
No it’s fucking officials, officials, officials. In that order.
Officials, officials, stripey filth.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
What a load of bollocks
Indeed.
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I'm finding it hard to snap out of this one. Haven't felt this way since Small Heath came back to 2-2 when DOL was manager. But at least the Blues didn't fucking cheat.
Blose cheat by existing.
Fuck 'em both & keep the faith. And that's an order! ;)
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Gutted that we were robbed of the three points by a double handball in stoppage time but we only have ourselves to blame by missing at least two sitters .Just like the stoppage time goal Reading got earlier in the season you just know the referees in this league leave a lot to be desired and are always likely to make bad decisions
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How many points has Rodriguez done us out of over the years? Dived for a penalty when at Southampton and tonight. Any others?
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I feel sorry for our stripey friend. Imagine how sad and empty your life must be to come on here and try and be clever after jamming a 2-2 home draw. That is a level of obsession that should almost be admired as it's impressively pathetic.
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Moore saying they deserved a point. I know he's going to say that, but did they? Really?
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I'm finding it hard to snap out of this one. Haven't felt this way since Small Heath came back to 2-2 when DOL was manager. But at least the Blues didn't fucking cheat.
Blose cheat by existing.
Fuck 'em both & keep the faith. And that's an order! ;)
Cheers. I just need to sulk it all out!! Lol!
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Not from the game I watched they didn’t
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Moore saying they deserved a point. I know he's going to say that, but did they? Really?
No.
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I don't Small Heath would have celebrated a 2-2victory like that.
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I didn’t really see the hand ball as I was watching in a pub with no sound. I thought though how we allowed them to get the cross in was poor and the keeper error that gifted them the goal was dreadful. The handball was a kick in the balls but we should never have been in that position at that stage of the game.
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Considering sha fans still rub each off over Stern John, they'd be calling for a statue of Rodriguez to built outside the sty.
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Very few clubs would get 14 points from our last 6 games. Pretty much none of them would have scored 19 goals, and none of them would be pissed off it wasn't 18 points and a lot more goals scored. Welcome to the new Villa.
I like this summary. It's bang on. We're good.
Agreed. I’m convinced we’re better than every team in this league, look at the absolute fear West Brom had once they realised how good Anwar is. We’ll go up.
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Pissed off, and having been 3 seats away from their fans I can honestly say I hate those wankers more then Small Heath. Middle aged wankers frothing at the mouth as they belted out SOTV because they’d just cheated their way to a lucky point.
But on the plus side - there’s no way they’re finishing above us this season.
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
They were rougher, we were much more talented.
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
They ran out of ideas in the second half. It’s our own profligacy that let them off the hook.
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
We know what you are.
When we have a bus stop for a main stamd we can talk, until then you can battle for 'not as small as Walsall' with the rags
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The simpleton has gone.
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Not from the game I watched they didn’t
Yeah, I was thinking the same.
They are a scrotey little club, Albion..I've never liked them.
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First half was pretty even I thought. Second half they were better first 10 minutes but really the El Ghazi thunderbolt killed them and we should've finished the game after that.
They'll beat much of bottom half with their attacking players but I've seen them a few times against top teams and they look very average, Derby murdered them a few weeks back.
Don't see them finishing in the top 2.
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Loved us. Some sublime football regardless of the fucking cheats
Horrible and inept policing at the train station creating a problem from nothing,then the most dangerously packed train to Stourbridge with screaming and people crying. Still fuming.
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
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Albion, Coventry, Walsall, Peterborough. I can’t raise the energy to differentiate.
I think their unrequited hatred is rather quaint.
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Great game of footy.
Hold tight, what is coming up is going to be absolute roller coaster!
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
We know what you are.
When we have a bus stop for a main stamd we can talk, until then you can battle for 'not as small as Walsall' with the rags
Applauds.
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
They ran out of ideas in the second half. It’s our own profligacy that let them off the hook.
They didn't have much aside from Gareth Barry. Once he tired they really struggled in midfield. Barnes is a talented player but Elmo in particular did well on him. Very strange they didn't have Phillips directly up against Taylor from the off.
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Very few clubs would get 14 points from our last 6 games. Pretty much none of them would have scored 19 goals, and none of them would be pissed off it wasn't 18 points and a lot more goals scored. Welcome to the new Villa.
Love it and spot on, we’re a bloody good team and we’re a joy to watch now.
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They know what they are, we know what we will be once again.
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Albion, Coventry, Walsall, Peterborough. I can’t raise the energy to differentiate.
I think their unrequited hatred is rather quaint.
Add the Blues and they could have their own SOTV cup and the deluded could win a trophy whereas in the real world...
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Watching Gaz Baz trying to get the ball off Grealish just before our second goal was like watching me trying to tackle my 14 year old son in our back garden.
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Moore saying they deserved a point. I know he's going to say that, but did they? Really?
Nope. They were better than us for about half of the first half and we matched them for the rest of that 45. The second half we completely dominated them, and really should have scored 3 or 4. Not doing so always left us vulnerable to a stripey lummoxing the ball into the net, but in the end they shouldn't have even been given that.
Albion look strong, but their midfield is basically a slow meatshield for the defence. Once we'd sussed out how to get around them, they were toast. Poor finishing did for us today, but at least we're creating loads of chances.
I don't fear any team in this league, Villa can beat all of them.
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I thought Phillips was very good, Barry we gave too much time to, Barnes was troublesome but Hutton has to do much better for their first.
They played well but still just scraped a draw to go third.
I’d say that was magnificent progress from us to more than match them in just 10 or so games.
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They must be worrying that Barnes will get recalled to Leicester in January. He's easily their best player, although, to be fair, Elmo did a great job on him, even better than McCafu did.
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They were playing like Pulis’ Stoke towards the end. That is testament to us.
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Was gutted after drawing for Forest. Tonight I am much happier but obviously we should have been out of sight before they equalised. El Ghazi looked like Ronaldo in a Villa shirt tonight. We will win a lot more than we lose before the end of the season. Still bit worried about the keeper and lack of defensive cover but overall very happy with Dean Smith and company.
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The biggest thing for me now, a couple of hours after the game....I cant wait for Stoke next week.
That’s what Deano has done for us, already.
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Loved us. Some sublime football regardless of the fucking cheats
Horrible and inept policing at the train station creating a problem from nothing,then the most dangerously packed train to Stourbridge with screaming and people crying. Still fuming.
Letting them get ten yards from us at the Metro takes a special talent as well.
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They must be worrying that Barnes will get recalled to Leicester in January. He's easily their best player, although, to be fair, Elmo did a great job on him, even better than McCafu did.
I know it's almost sacrilage because I love Hutton, but El Mohamedy is a better player
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
I thought the same for the first hour - they seemed to have more urgency.
I was the sole Villa fan in the pub and the two QPR fans next to me thought a draw was fair. They thought Rodriguez should have got a yellow for the handbal, though and pointed out his celebration was so muted it was obvious he was guilty. We should have blocked the cross before it came in and Nyland was again weak in dealing with it.
Having said that, if Abraham had taken the chances he had on a plate, in particular the one from Bolasie, we would have had the game sewn up. It was our own fault for fucking up and not converting one of them to secure the win.
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And what a fucking tin pot club - nowhere near enough turnstiles, toilets or kiosks for the away end. But worse than that was the fact that yet again people were close to being badly injured at the Hawthorns station as the police try and squeeze a thousand fans through a 3 foot wide entrance.
Happens there every time.
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And, finally. I’m really not sure about this dribbling and showboating in our own penalty area. Scares the bejesus out of me...
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Finally, at long last, we look miles better than anyone else in this shitty tinpot league.
We won't be here much longer.
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Stoke are going to fucking get it!
This. Tonight obviously showed, especially first half how much more it meant to the Baggies. Second half, there should have been an empty ground other than the Villa fans after 65 minutes. I don't need to say more, Dean Smith summed up the game perfectly.
Gutted by the result but very few opposition teams will have such luck this season. I doubt we'll ever again take such games so lightly, at least in the first 45 minutes. It really was their Cup Final. Let them celebrate the draw, I could care more.
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Should have been over well before they started playing netball. I'm not going to grizzle. We are Aston Villa and we are better than than. we are heading in the right direction with well over half a season to go, a transfer window to come and a brilliant coaching set up. Easily the better side tonight. It's a matter of time.
That’s the spirit, UTV
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We are now producing the chances that Hogan used to thrive on.
Tamy back to Chelsea! I think you saw tonight why that is not the case.
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We are now producing the chances thatHogan used to thrive on.
Tamyback ti Chelsea! I think you sawtonight whytgat isnot the case.
He’s a young lad who has had a cracking month, he missed a few easy ones but hey ho, so do players like Morata who are restricting h8s chances at Chelsea and cost £80m
If he was good enough to hold down a place at Chelsea he wouldn’t have scored 10 goals for us would he?
Fuck me, a bit of patience please...
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We are now producing the chances thatHogan used to thrive on.
Tamyback ti Chelsea! I think you sawtonight whytgat isnot the case.
Few beers ?
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What I liked about Tammy tonight was that even though he was struggling and missed a few he kept making the runs, kept showing and calling for the ball and didn't hide, He'll score more than he misses.
As an aside, if my son saw me behaving like the middle aged Albion twats just across the barrier in the Smethwick End he'd disown me
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Re: Nyland
For Engerland fans, that means Shilton is a shot flapper of the ball and Maradona and the officials are total innocents.
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To be honest I thought they were stronger and more powerful all over the pitch and I never felt we were comfortable, that said if we’d took our chances they could have cheated all they wanted and it wouldn’t h@ve mattered
I thought the same for the first hour - they seemed to have more urgency.
I was the sole Villa fan in the pub and the two QPR fans next to me thought a draw was fair. They thought Rodriguez should have got a yellow for the handbal, though and pointed out his celebration was so muted it was obvious he was guilty. We should have blocked the cross before it came in and Nyland was again weak in dealing with it.
Having said that, if Abraham had taken the chances he had on a plate, in particular the one from Bolasie, we would have had the game sewn up. It was our own fault for fucking up and not converting one of them to secure the win.
I agree for the first half it was even and they came out strong at start of second half, but we were the footballing team for me, even if our major players were nowhere near their best
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Disappointed, but we've come along long way in a very short space of time under Dean Smith. Unrecognisable from that disorganised shower under the previous manager. Tammy has been brilliant for us of late, so it's unfortunate that he chose this game to have a stinker. Very pleased with the progress we are making and as other posters have mentioned, we don't have to fear anyone in this league. I'm sure DS has reinforcements in mind for the transfer window. The most beautiful thing of all is that we are a very attractive team to watch, how long has it been since we have said that? UTV
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To be fair to West Bromwich Handball, Rodriguez thought he was playing in tonight's UK snooker championship and was trying to practise his cueing action - not believing that some inept official would call it a 'goal'.
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We are the best team in this league.They arent far behind .We made them look like mugs for 70 minutes....have no fear, we are going up
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Should have had Nigel Owens as the Ref. There were 2 knock on's for the last goal
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Should have had Nigel Owens as the Ref. There were 2 knock on's for the last goal
Maybe the Stripey twat thought it was volleyball and attempted a digging shot to knock it up in air to be spiked by Gayle.
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Officials are fuckingi c***s but Tammy cost us big time.
We are going to rue those lost 4 points from Forest and tonight.
Quite possibly.
But it’s still good fun.
And we’re still going up. Make no mistake!
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F.T.A
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Disappointing not to get the win after playing well for long periods of the game and creating a number of decent chances. The two goals we conceded were a bit disappointing - caught out by a long ball for the first and then the double handball for the second. I think Nyland could have been a bit stronger and Kodjia didn't track back.
All that said, we've played away at arguably two of the strongest teams in the league in less than a week and have picked up 4 points whilst scoring 5 goals.
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Just spotted this on the Beeb's live reporting of the match. It's by some BBC correspondent called Ged Scott, and he wrote this after 90 minutes (so just before the equaliser):
Admittedly, Villa’s raucous 2,617 visiting fans have so far had more to sing about than the hosts.
But what really stands out among the extensive repertoire from the claret and blue section is that they’ve taken the time and trouble to learn a few new tunes.
All half-inched from other clubs, admittedly. But we haven’t heard then Yippee-ay-eh, Yippee-Ay-Oh once and the old “Spinky and Birchy and Alan McInally” favourite finally seems to have been condemned to history! And that’s got to be a good thing!
I have no idea who Ged Scott is but judging by these pissy remarks and his profile pic I have deduced that he's a Villa-hating fat git.
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FTA
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Just home, via the pub and chip shop. In short:
Tammy scores and it’s game over
Nyland scares me witless. Could he have taken their cross for number two?
Hutton dreadful for their first
El Ghazi is fast becoming our talisman
Ref/Lino had an absolute nightmare
We’ll go up automatically wirpth a new keeper, LB and CB
Night all!
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Anyone else noticed that it was this very same idiot Darren England who gave Reading a debatable at best penalty in stoppage time earlier in the season .That is four points better off we should be .The new Phil Dowd
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Just spotted this on the Beeb's live reporting of the match. It's by some BBC correspondent called Ged Scott, and he wrote this after 90 minutes (so just before the equaliser):
Admittedly, Villa’s raucous 2,617 visiting fans have so far had more to sing about than the hosts.
But what really stands out among the extensive repertoire from the claret and blue section is that they’ve taken the time and trouble to learn a few new tunes.
All half-inched from other clubs, admittedly. But we haven’t heard then Yippee-ay-eh, Yippee-Ay-Oh once and the old “Spinky and Birchy and Alan McInally” favourite finally seems to have been condemned to history! And that’s got to be a good thing!
I have no idea who Ged Scott is but judging by these pissy remarks and his profile pic I have deduced that he's a Villa-hating fat git.
Apparently he’s a northern BBC journalist now living in Kidderminster. He loves Liverpool and rugby league and hates Man Utd and Gareth Bale. No mention of his dislike of us in his Twitter bio so I can only think he didn’t get enough free pies last night.
The support sounded great on the telly so 👏👏👏👏👏👏 if you were there.
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Keith Hackett on Twitter: “I have no doubts that Referee Darren England should be elevated to the Elite Panel. Was that a deliberate handball. Well after several views I still have doubt and would support the referee”
Unbelievable.
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As good as we are right now, I think last nights robbery will make us even better and stronger.
We know we were the better team. We know we were cheated out of it.
What this MUST do is reinforce how we have to be more clinical in front of goal.
When that happens, no one in this division can touch us.
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Keith Hackett on Twitter: “I have no doubts that Referee Darren England should be elevated to the Elite Panel. Was that a deliberate handball. Well after several views I still have doubt and would support the referee”
Unbelievable.
I blame the linesman rather than the referee. Is it being deliberate a thing anymore anyway? I thought that had changed.
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Keith Hackett on Twitter: “I have no doubts that Referee Darren England should be elevated to the Elite Panel. Was that a deliberate handball. Well after several views I still have doubt and would support the referee”
Unbelievable.
Keith Hackett can suck my balls. Dreadful.
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Cold light of day this morning but we are the best side in the division and will push Norwich and Leeds all the way for automatic promotion. If that fails, and I’m not convinced it will, we play WBA in the play off final with Grealish carrying the ball over the line in the last minute.
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I'm more annoyed this morning that the officials didn't get it right and we lose two points. That said, we have no-one to fear in this league. The next few games are key, but I thought that a few games ago and we seem to be doing ok. Derby, Boro and Albion, all away, seven points from nine. That's a great record, particularly as we know we wuz robbed last night. Dean Smith is doing a great job.
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The hand of rod looked deliberate to me. The ball was going wide of the post until the cheating sh-t for brains, redirected it with his 6 fingered hand.
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Played 5 teams above us and we've 11 out of 15.
When you reflect on that, it's a good return. That it should have been 15 out of 15 just shows how far we've come.
Goalkeeper, left back, centre half and a deep lying play maker (although Hourihane is actually improving) would all see us stronger. I wouldn't expect all four, but a couple.
When we've plucked El Gahzi out of the doldrums And it turns out he's actually very, very good, with Adomah to come back and all the attacking talent we have, we'll be in the top 6 sooner than later.
2 more games of our difficult run to go. I'd back us to be 17 out of 21.
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The hand of rod looked deliberate to me. The ball was going wide of the post until the cheating sh-t for brains, redirected it with his 6 fingered hand.
I agree with this. The “accidentally” touched it with his hand narrative is a myth that will be accepted by many, especially around Smethwick. But it’s bollocks - he deliberately guided the ball and he knows it.
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Just woke up, still raging.
I said after the Leeds one against Forest you know by players reactions that something has happened that shouldn't have. The fact that our players went mental and Rodriguez walked away sheepishly should have told the useless ref and even more useless linesman that.
I've just read Dave's article and it mentions our game management. McGinn was trying to be ambitious a minute before they scored their second and gave the ball away. I was screaming keep the ball at the TV. We need to wise up, especially if we start leading in games.
Happy overall, gutted about that Abraham chance from,the Bolasie cross. The Forest game doesn't feel like two points dropped as that was a mental one-off. This does tho.
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So if you put the ball un intentionally In the net with your hand that is different from intentionally doing it?
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We have to look at the positives. Albion have been a bigger and better club for a decade now and to squeeze a point at their place is a step forward for us.
Decidedly stripey stench about this one.
Attendance trivia stat. Average attendances at Villa Park are above 30k for the 23rd season in a row. The last time the Hawthorns averaged above 30k was in 1958/59.
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Singing 'Shit on the Villa' when you have a double diving handball scoop in to the net to scrape an equaliser at home in injury time. Staying classy and at least they know their place.
Was exactly what I was going to put last night but I was in such a rage at the ref that I just switched everything off related to the game and put Netflix on.
They really showed themselves to be the bunch of thick ****** that they are last night.
Tammys been brilliant all season and I like him a lot but what a fucking miss in such a game.
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2-2 is not bad. Yes we do feel cheated out of a win but let's face if it was the other way round we would love it. So no point in showing the twats that we are bitter and twisted over the handball. It happens. We will get our turn as the season goes on.
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2-2 is not bad. Yes we do feel cheated out of a win but let's face if it was the other way round we would love it. So no point in showing the twats that we are bitter and twisted over the handball. It happens. We will get our turn as the season goes on.
Well said Aftab - good commonsense as usual !
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The hand of rod looked deliberate to me. The ball was going wide of the post until the cheating sh-t for brains, redirected it with his 6 fingered hand.
I agree with this. The “accidentally” touched it with his hand narrative is a myth that will be accepted by many, especially around Smethwick. But it’s bollocks - he deliberately guided the ball and he knows it.
The hand of rod looked deliberate to me. The ball was going wide of the post until the cheating sh-t for brains, redirected it with his 6 fingered hand.
I agree with this. The “accidentally” touched it with his hand narrative is a myth that will be accepted by many, especially around Smethwick. But it’s bollocks - he deliberately guided the ball and he knows it.
When you see the incident from behind the goal you can clearly see it going wide before the ball is directed back on target with a 2nd handball from Rodriguez.
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He definitely did it deliberately and he knew it.
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Having calmed down and reflected on last night, I'm happy because of how we played and because of how much better than them we look.
The only time they looked decent was the first ten minutes second half, and then we scored. We were head and shoulders above them, especially in midfield. McGinn ran it.
If Abraham has his shooting boots on then we win that 4-1. If the linesman can see then we win 2-1. How did he actually miss the handball? He's looking right at it and then says to the ref that he can't be sure?
Their fans were dire aswell for their cup final. Sang a couple of ditties at the start, about us. A couple of ditties after their first goal, about us. Sang about our player of the season the cabbage for about five minutes. Then a couple of ditties at the end, about us.
I don't get the cabbage song? It helped us get rid of Bruce and get Smith. It's not a negative.
I'd be very surprised if we're not above them come May. Better team and better manager.
Allez Allez Allez
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There simply wasn't enough pace on the ball to excuse it as accidental, particularly as he took two touches as well and the second went directly in the net. One of the worst handball goals I've seen.
Regarding our players, I thought Nyland was poor again and should have done better for the handball goal. He looks terrified, the poor chap. Definitely need a new keeper. All defenders were good, Hourahane had a decent game, McGinn was MOTM, Grealish quite good but I thought the front three were pretty toothless first half although El Ghazi was excellent second. Elmo did well when he came on but Kodjia didn't, although he is much better down the middle.
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Match highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11574669/west-brom-2-2-aston-villa)
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Dean Smith (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11574668/smith-we-should-have-won)
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Re Nyland, a good and confident keeper punches that ball away. 93rd minute and bodies flying at you, you don't try and catch that. If he punches that away we win the game. Heaton in January and we will win this league.
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Darren Moore (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11574670/moore-we-deserved-a-draw)
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It's unfair to have a go at Tammy after his recent spell but I reckon we'd have gone on and scored a couple more had he put his chance away. As for their goal, I wasn't surprised he gave it. The ref didn't give us a great deal all game to be honest.
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I hate seeing games decided like that. I don't like to say it, but I thought the Baggies were the best team we've played this season, and the game could have gone either way, although we had much the better chances. I agree with Clampy in that Abraham has been brilliant lately so it's not fair singling him out, but by christ he should have stuck that chance away last night.
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Let us assume for a moment it was accidental handball (which as it happens in this case I dont think it was) it should still surely be wrong that the goal can stand. The laws of the game are too hazy on this.
I found this piece which was in The Telegraph only a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/23/footballs-lawmakers-discuss-rewrite-handball-rule-avoid-punishing/
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I thought the ref was a home ref too. Livermore left his foot in a few times and could easily have got a couple of bookings before finally getting one, McGinn could easily have been given a pen on another day and the handball goal was a disgrace. When players react like that, it's obvious there is something not right.
All that said, kodjia tracks the wingerwe stop the cross. Nyland grows a pair we clear it. Hutton sticks it in the stand we don't concede the first. Taylor tracks Gayle he stops the cross getting there. Both goals were our mistakes.
On the positive side, we battered them, looked excellent in possession and I can see us, once we strengthen at the back a bit, winning 10 on the spin and getting into the top 2. Norwich and Leeds won't finish in the top 2. Squads are not strong enough. Us, Boro, Albion much more likely.
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Their goal was why we now have VAR in football.
If the ref doesn't see it, and the Lino says he doesn't see it either, then the goal is given.
Only VAR would have changed the refs decision.
We were the better team, hopefully karma will pay them back later in the season.
UTV
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The remarks of Keith Hackett help explain why England did not have a single referee selected for the world cup last summer .
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Despite Bolaisse and Abraham not being at their best, we still outplayed one of best attacking teams in the country. McGinn probably MOM, but what a player we have in El Ghazi, particulary second half, when he showed his ability on the ball and what a strike, you won't see a better goal in any of the leagues this weekend.
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In games like last night we will be better in a few weeks bringing on the likes of Thor or Jedinak versus Whelan to shore up the defence. Whelan is ok but I’d much rather have the running or mobility of BB or the height and strength of Jedi.
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Having calmed down and reflected on last night, I'm happy because of how we played and because of how much better than them we look.
The only time they looked decent was the first ten minutes second half, and then we scored. We were head and shoulders above them, especially in midfield. McGinn ran it.
If Abraham has his shooting boots on then we win that 4-1. If the linesman can see then we win 2-1. How did he actually miss the handball? He's looking right at it and then says to the ref that he can't be sure?
Their fans were dire aswell for their cup final. Sang a couple of ditties at the start, about us. A couple of ditties after their first goal, about us. Sang about our player of the season the cabbage for about five minutes. Then a couple of ditties at the end, about us.
I don't get the cabbage song? It helped us get rid of Bruce and get Smith. It's not a negative.
I'd be very surprised if we're not above them come May. Better team and better manager.
Allez Allez Allez
Fuck May.....we’ll be above the stripey fuckers by the end of the month.
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I've watched it back this morning. The ref was absolutely shit all game. McGinn shouldve had a penalty first-half. Hegazi for them was dirty most of the game - he should've got a yellow much earlier. Barry went through Jack early on - shocking challenge that went unpunished.
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I hate seeing games decided like that. I don't like to say it, but I thought the Baggies were the best team we've played this season, and the game could have gone either way, although we had much the better chances. I agree with Clampy in that Abraham has been brilliant lately so it's not fair singling him out, but by christ he should have stuck that chance away last night.
Not sour grapes, but I have to disagree about the Albion mate. I thought they looked a bit limited last night. I thought they looked slow at the back and in midfield and relied quite heavily on long throws into the box. They have got decent attacking options though and that Barnes from Leicester looks a talent.
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I hate seeing games decided like that. I don't like to say it, but I thought the Baggies were the best team we've played this season, and the game could have gone either way, although we had much the better chances. I agree with Clampy in that Abraham has been brilliant lately so it's not fair singling him out, but by christ he should have stuck that chance away last night.
Not sour grapes, but I have to disagree about the Albion mate. I thought they looked a bit limited last night. I thought they looked slow at the back and in midfield and relied quite heavily on long throws into the box. They have got decent attacking options though and that Barnes from Leicester looks a talent.
I'm sort of agreeing with both of you. Albion were a decent team, but we looked a lot better. In fact , Since Mr Smiths arrival, I think we have looked the better team in every game.
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Re Nyland, a good and confident keeper punches that ball away. 93rd minute and bodies flying at you, you don't try and catch that. If he punches that away we win the game. Heaton in January and we will win this league.
Agreed. But...the officials have to do their job.
Not one handball, but two. Cheating long ball shite.
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Despite Bolaisse and Abraham not being at their best, we still outplayed one of best attacking teams in the country. McGinn probably MOM, but what a player we have in El Ghazi, particulary second half, when he showed his ability on the ball and what a strike, you won't see a better goal in any of the leagues this weekend.
In the country?
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Despite Bolaisse and Abraham not being at their best, we still outplayed one of best attacking teams in the country. McGinn probably MOM, but what a player we have in El Ghazi, particulary second half, when he showed his ability on the ball and what a strike, you won't see a better goal in any of the leagues this weekend.
In the country?
The black country.
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The Albion the best side we've played? Risso how much did you have last night?
Forest were easily the best we've played and we should have beat them.
The Albion ran out of ideas, resorted to.log diagonals and never looked like scoring a legitimate goal, the cheating shite.
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The Albion the best side we've played? Risso how much did you have last night?
Forest were easily the best we've played and we should have beat them.
The Albion ran out of ideas, resorted to.log diagonals and never looked like scoring a legitimate goal, the cheating shite.
100%
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Second bloody time Rodriguez has cheated us out of points. Hate the bloke with a raging passion.
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Ultimately we’ve gone to two of the hardest places to go in the league in a week and got 4 points, and should have had 6. That’s a bloody good return, and teams will absolutely fear us. Keep Bolasie, Jack, El Ghazi and Tammy fit and more often than not we’ll slay teams.
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I hate seeing games decided like that. I don't like to say it, but I thought the Baggies were the best team we've played this season, and the game could have gone either way, although we had much the better chances. I agree with Clampy in that Abraham has been brilliant lately so it's not fair singling him out, but by christ he should have stuck that chance away last night.
Not sour grapes, but I have to disagree about the Albion mate. I thought they looked a bit limited last night. I thought they looked slow at the back and in midfield and relied quite heavily on long throws into the box. They have got decent attacking options though and that Barnes from Leicester looks a talent.
Who do you think is the best side we've played this season Tom?
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Ultimately we’ve gone to two of the hardest places to go in the league in a week and got 4 points, and should have had 6. That’s a bloody good return, and teams will absolutely fear us. Keep Bolasie, Jack, El Ghazi and Tammy fit and more often than not we’ll slay teams.
This, and - we didn't do it by playing defensive, counter-based percentages football, as we have when getting big results in the past, even (maybe especially) under MON; we did it by taking the game to the opposition as if we were the home team and trying to dominate them with our play. That is something very new for us.
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Ultimately we’ve gone to two of the hardest places to go in the league in a week and got 4 points, and should have had 6. That’s a bloody good return, and teams will absolutely fear us. Keep Bolasie, Jack, El Ghazi and Tammy fit and more often than not we’ll slay teams.
This, and - we didn't do it by playing defensive, counter-based percentages football, as we have when getting big results in the past, even (maybe especially) under MON; we did it by taking the game to the opposition as if we were the home team and trying to dominate them with our play. That is something very new for us.
Hear hear.
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Only just got out. I was hoping to see them lift the cup after beating us 2-2.
First time I've been hit by a bottle as well. Sad, sad, cheating c***s.
Should have been 3 or 4 tonight. I appreciate you saying you've got to take your chances, but you've got to have confidence that the officials can spot the blatantly obvious.
Atrocious.
.after the cup game a couple of years ago I came across about 20 of them at snow hill. Did they want a tear up. . Did they fuck. Walkers.
Are you sure they weren’t getting the tram?
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Who does the Beeb journalist Ged Scott support? Might just be me but he sounds pretty anti-Villa in the report on their website.
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Who does the Beeb journalist Ged Scott support? Might just be me but he sounds pretty anti-Villa in the report on their website.
This is what Ged wrote during last night's game:
'Admittedly, Villa’s raucous 2,617 visiting fans have so far had more to sing about than the hosts.
But what really stands out among the extensive repertoire from the claret and blue section is that they’ve taken the time and trouble to learn a few new tunes.
All half-inched from other clubs, admittedly. But we haven’t heard then Yippee-ay-eh, Yippee-Ay-Oh once and the old “Spinky and Birchy and Alan McInally” favourite finally seems to have been condemned to history! And that’s got to be a good thing!'
Doesn't know what he's talking about!
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Observations from the living room (I was on call so avoided having to put up with the drivel dribbling from the slack jaws of the Sandwell fans in my pub):
- Dean needs to shake up Kodja or he goes, too casual when he came on
- El Ghazi's soft shoe shuffle reminded me of Harry Enfields character "Charles Charlie Charles" and had me laughing in delight
- Still need a CB and keeper, Nyland just doesn't look like a GK, he looks more like someone that would have a note for games
- The Yawnthorns has become a quasi-Christian church with that Psalm. I was impressed during the Brentford game that the fans knew all the words, then noticed them printed all over the stands.
- Overall, with a few tweaks, this team could really do something. Let's hope we have the right tweaks.
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The hand of rod looked deliberate to me. The ball was going wide of the post until the cheating sh-t for brains, redirected it with his 6 fingered hand.
I agree with this. The “accidentally” touched it with his hand narrative is a myth that will be accepted by many, especially around Smethwick. But it’s bollocks - he deliberately guided the ball and he knows it.
I actually totally disagree with this. His reaction after scoring says it all. It was unintentional and he expected the goal to be chalked off.
That said, still a shocking decision from the officials
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I don't think he meant to do it either. Still a shocking decision, though.
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The Albion the best side we've played? Risso how much did you have last night?
Forest were easily the best we've played and we should have beat them.
The Albion ran out of ideas, resorted to.log diagonals and never looked like scoring a legitimate goal, the cheating shite.
100%
This
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Just watched the highlights. The throw they took in the lead up to the double hand ball bounces before it enters the field of play.
The linesman wants sacking, the Stripey ******.
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What a non-entity like Ged sodding Scott thinks about our support is completely irrelevant. When Dean Smith was asked about our fans last night in the post-match interview, he answered thus: "The away end? It's normal. It's fantastic. We're Villa."
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I know Ged really well. He doesn't support a local club but rest assured he has a lot of time, admiration and knowledge for/about the Villa, now and in the past. No need for us to get precious.
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The remarks of Keith Hackett help explain why England did not have a single referee selected for the world cup last summer .
An Arsenal mate texted me that last night just after the game. He thought it was an obvious handball on tv.
We had a long chat last weekend about rivalries / derbies with clubs who are much smaller: Blues and Albion for us and Spurs for them.
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I know Ged really well. He doesn't support a local club but rest assured he has a lot of time, admiration and knowledge for/about the Villa, now and in the past. No need for us to get precious.
I took his comments about our support as complementary. He was interviewed before the Blues game on 5Live and seemed positive about us. My only gripe was he kept calling us Aston Villa instead of The Villa, as if he was a stranger to the area.
As an aside, the BBC report said we had not won an away league game on a Friday night since Wrexham in 1972!!
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Just watched the highlights. The throw they took in the lead up to the double hand ball bounces before it enters the field of play.
The linesman wants sacking, the Stripey c***.
I just watched that back and your spot on. The ball bounced at least one foot behind the line. Shocking miss by the officials who then went on to miss J Rod juggling the ball into the net with his hands. They should never be allowed to officiate again.
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Pig sick I missed yesterday, seems a million years since by last game Blues - holiday and work. (call myself a proper villa fan ha),
Moving onto last night and the Albion - in my lifetime on the pitch they have been our main local rivals. Horrible cheating, dirty and nothing like the Brazil they were once compared with. I try not to dislike them like I do Blues but no I hate the both of them for different reasons and I am and have never been local.
Moving on to the match at the Smallthorns is it any surprise to anyone that the facilities are so poor. Everything about them is that way, their football generally, their support, their ground.
Anyway upwards and onwards two difficult homes before Swansea - which I am already dreading my long day out and Preston a nice local one (relatively) with a proper piss up.
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Pig sick I missed yesterday, seems a million years since by last game Blues - holiday and work. (call myself a proper villa fan ha),
Moving onto last night and the Albion - in my lifetime on the pitch they have been our main local rivals. Horrible cheating, dirty and nothing like the Brazil they were once compared with. I try not to dislike them like I do Blues but no I hate the both of them for different reasons and I am and have never been local.
Moving on to the match at the Smallthorns is it any surprise to anyone that the facilities are so poor. Everything about them is that way, their football generally, their support, their ground.
Anyway upwards and onwards two difficult homes before Swansea - which I am already dreading my long day out and Preston a nice local one (relatively) with a proper piss up.
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Just watched the highlights. The throw they took in the lead up to the double hand ball bounces before it enters the field of play.
The linesman wants sacking, the Stripey c***.
I just watched that back and your spot on. The ball bounced at least one foot behind the line. Shocking miss by the officials who then went on to miss J Rod juggling the ball into the net with his hands. They should never be allowed to officiate again.
Hanging would be too good for them.
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We should have been out of sight by the time of their second "goal". Abraham missed 3 great chances.
Also, Nyland should have either claimed that cross or cleared it. He's a liability. The real villains for me though are the officials, especially the twat linesman who should have seen the handball.
The fact that they're overjoyed to draw with us at home with a handball goal shows how much they now fear us and is testament to how far we've come since Smith took over. We're still a better team than them and I'm very confident that we'll at least get in the play-offs. El Ghazi looked like Ronaldo last night, he's awesome but needs to learn to track back a bit more.
Drawing to a goal that shouldn't have stood always hurts but the bigger picture is still a Van Gogh compared to the primitive cave daubings under Bruce. UTV.
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
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Just watched the highlights. The throw they took in the lead up to the double hand ball bounces before it enters the field of play.
The linesman wants sacking, the Stripey c***.
I just watched that back and your spot on. The ball bounced at least one foot behind the line. Shocking miss by the officials who then went on to miss J Rod juggling the ball into the net with his hands. They should never be allowed to officiate again.
Hanging would be too good for them.
Yes. They should tie them to trees and chuck badgers at them.
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We should have been out of sight by the time of their second "goal". Abraham missed 3 great chances.
Also, Nyland should have either claimed that cross or cleared it. He's a liability. The real villains for me though are the officials, especially the twat linesman who should have seen the handball.
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Agree that we should have been out of sight, but one of the things we are going to have to do if we are going to go on the type of run we need to to be challenging for automatic promotion is to have the ability to close out tight games. I didn't think we managed the closing staged of the game very well and were not exactly helped by Kodjia who kept giving the ball away and then didn't track back well for the goal.
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This was possibly our hardest game of the season. We've outplayed them, at their place and got robbed by a poor decision. All in all, things are looking up. With this team, this manager and the way we are playing against all of our rivals, there is no way we will be anything but in contention for promotion.
We will be up there this season.
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
Graham Norton, what a truly awful host of a show. I loved watching parkinson interview real superstars without trying to be funny every three seconds. As for hanna Montana, you wouldn't look at her twice if she served you in home bargains.
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
Graham Norton, what a truly awful host of a show. I loved watching parkinson interview real superstars without trying to be funny every three seconds. As for hanna Montana, you wouldn't look at her twice if she served you in home bargains.
Yeah cus we all look like Richard Gere in real life
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
Graham Norton, what a truly awful host of a show. I loved watching parkinson interview real superstars without trying to be funny every three seconds. As for hanna Montana, you wouldn't look at her twice if she served you in home bargains.
I'm trying to imagine myself going into a shop called 'Home Bargains', and failing.
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Snob. ;)
I know what you mean about Parkinson back in the day, Newby. Real legends like Richard Burton & Muhammad Ali: it's the Modern Dumbing Down of Showbiz for you.
Depressing, isn't it?
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
Graham Norton, what a truly awful host of a show. I loved watching parkinson interview real superstars without trying to be funny every three seconds. As for hanna Montana, you wouldn't look at her twice if she served you in home bargains.
I'm trying to imagine myself going into a shop called 'Home Bargains', and failing.
It's depressing. Trust me on that.
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We should have been out of sight by the time of their second "goal". Abraham missed 3 great chances.
Also, Nyland should have either claimed that cross or cleared it. He's a liability. The real villains for me though are the officials, especially the twat linesman who should have seen the handball.
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Agree that we should have been out of sight, but one of the things we are going to have to do if we are going to go on the type of run we need to to be challenging for automatic promotion is to have the ability to close out tight games. I didn't think we managed the closing staged of the game very well and were not exactly helped by Kodjia who kept giving the ball away and then didn't track back well for the goal.
Good point about Kodija, if there is a phrase that describes opposite of a Team player, it would fit Kodija perfectly.
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Good point about Kodija, if there is a phrase that describes opposite of a Team player, it would fit Kodija perfectly.
Absolutely. When he's on the pitch he seems to be involved in a different match than the rest of the side
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Snob. ;)
I know what you mean about Parkinson back in the day, Newby. Real legends like Richard Burton & Muhammad Ali: it's the Modern Dumbing Down of Showbiz for you.
Depressing, isn't it?
Depressing sums it up perfectly.
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Miley Cyrus is fucking ugly. She looks like a snake. Sorry, watching the Graham Norton show whilst I type! Up the Villa.
Harsh. Nearly 16.5m You Tube views in ten days would suggest you're in the minority ;)
Graham Norton, what a truly awful host of a show. I loved watching parkinson interview real superstars without trying to be funny every three seconds. As for hanna Montana, you wouldn't look at her twice if she served you in home bargains.
I'm trying to imagine myself going into a shop called 'Home Bargains', and failing.
I was extremely disappointed when I went there ......I was looking for a medium sized semi detached house ......they didn't have any ...........I bought two snack a soups instead
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I think it's a pretty disappointing place, although whether it's quite as bad as cost scutter is debateable.
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Saw a preview of the play off final I think - with a better outcome for us this time.
Can you imagine those tossers if they beat us ?
Seen and heard lots of them giving it the big one since that equaliser, forgetting that they have to come to VP in a couple of months when I'm sure we will all be up for it.
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Lost of very sheepish Stripeys at work today.
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I’m still annoyed.
I fail to understand why the backup officials do not have the power, on big decisions to say “hold your bloody horses, have a look at this”
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I am not overly fussed by it bouncing in off his hand. I can't fathom why he isn't being called out more for punching it past the keeper to start with though. Cheating little fuck.
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I am not overly fussed by it bouncing in off his hand. I can't fathom why he isn't being called out more for punching it past the keeper to start with though. Cheating little fuck.
Indeed, it's not that it was one handball it was bloody two.
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I was angry at the equaliser. I was livid at the excuse for policing at the station afterwards.
That jug-eared copper who twice announced on his megaphone that we'd be getting the next train, before waving the stripy fans through could have caused a crush and a riot.
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I can't believe the linesman didn't spot the knock on. I'm far from convinced about the grounding for Rodgriguez try either.
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I’m still annoyed.
I fail to understand why the backup officials do not have the power, on big decisions to say “hold your bloody horses, have a look at this”
I'm still really pissed off, just can't let it go. Hopefully a 6-0 twatting of Sterk will cheer me up. Got my tickets for Leeds as well.
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The throw in (eventually) was fucking garbage too.
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Two of them at work today looking nonplussed when I asked them for their get out of jail free card. Apparently they were the better team and it was only right the ‘goal’ stood because our first was an own goal.
I was then asked if I’d even watched the game and that I’d probably start talking about 1982 which we go on about all the time. The reply of “oh you mean us winning the European Cup, so when have you won that then?” This was met with the very original ‘Villa bastard’ 😃
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The idea that the handball was payback for the ‘career ending tackle on Shane Long’ is interesting considering Shane Long was, in the end, out for just 3 weeks!
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The idea that the handball was payback for the ‘career ending tackle on Shane Long’ is interesting considering Shane Long was, in the end, out for just 3 weeks!
Well they’d know all about “Career ending tackles” wouldn’t they - remind me again, how long was Alex Cropley out for??....
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The idea that the handball was payback for the ‘career ending tackle on Shane Long’ is interesting considering Shane Long was, in the end, out for just 3 weeks!
Well they’d know all about “Career ending tackles” wouldn’t they - remind me again, how long was Alex Cropley out for??....
Almost as long as Ray Graydon the previous season.
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Two guys I work with are ST holders at Olbiyun and thought that we were good value for a 2-1 win and admitted that they got lucky.
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Anyone with a brain thought that we were good value for a 2-1 win and admitted that they got lucky.
Fixed.
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Forgive me if i am wrong but i am more or less certain the butchers of Sandwell more or less ended the career of John Woodward .They crippled him in a match at the Hawthorns and he was never the same again
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Forgive me if i am wrong but i am more or less certain the butchers of Sandwell more or less ended the career of John Woodward .They crippled him in a match at the Hawthorns and he was never the same again
I think you could be right there la
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http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=45127.0;wap2
Thread on him there, poor bloke.
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41 years ago today, Ally Brown the filthy stripey c*** ended Alex Cropley’s career.
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I can still hear the crack. Horrible.
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I remember a chilling quiet descended on the Holte End when it happened.
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I think one of Alex Cropleys family members has posted on here in the past, can’t remember if it was his son or not
i can also remember Andy Grays son coming in for a short while
don’t know if any other family members of players have been openly on apart from our friend Frank Moss of course
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Cropley was a lovely player, another player we sadly lost to injury around this time was Keith Leonard, one of my all time favourites.
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I think one of Alex Cropleys family members has posted on here in the past, can’t remember if it was his son or not
i can also remember Andy Grays son coming in for a short while
don’t know if any other family members of players have been openly on apart from our friend Frank Moss of course
You're right John, the sons of both players you mentioned have posted on here. I remember Sammy Morgan's son posted on here too, I think in connection as to the whereabouts of Sammy, I could be wrong about the reason of course.
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More about Cropley with posts from his son on this thread
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=51261.0
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More about Cropley with posts from his son on this thread
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=51261.0
Just read through it again
Lovely stuff, what a player he was
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I've just read through it all again, some great memories of a great player on there. I'm privileged to have seen him play.
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Sorry to be Mr. Picky, but I think the Good Friday win at Wrexham in 1972, was a 3:00pm kick-off, so not a night match.
The good news is, that Villa's last game of that season was a re-arranged game v. Chesterfield at 7:30...on a Friday night!
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Sorry to be Mr. Picky, but I think the Good Friday win at Wrexham in 1972, was a 3:00pm kick-off, so not a night match.
The good news is, that Villa's last game of that season was a re-arranged game v. Chesterfield at 7:30...on a Friday night!
It was a 0-0 bore draw IIRC.
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Sorry to be Mr. Picky, but I think the Good Friday win at Wrexham in 1972, was a 3:00pm kick-off, so not a night match.
The good news is, that Villa's last game of that season was a re-arranged game v. Chesterfield at 7:30...on a Friday night!
It was a 0-0 bore draw IIRC.
Wasn’t that the promotion celebration night with the ground packed? Pretty sure we won and for this schoolboy at the time it was anything but boring.
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Sorry to be Mr. Picky, but I think the Good Friday win at Wrexham in 1972, was a 3:00pm kick-off, so not a night match.
The good news is, that Villa's last game of that season was a re-arranged game v. Chesterfield at 7:30...on a Friday night!
It was a 0-0 bore draw IIRC.
Wasn’t that the promotion celebration night with the ground packed? Pretty sure we won and for this schoolboy at the time it was anything but boring.
We won 1-0.
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Sorry to be Mr. Picky, but I think the Good Friday win at Wrexham in 1972, was a 3:00pm kick-off, so not a night match.
The good news is, that Villa's last game of that season was a re-arranged game v. Chesterfield at 7:30...on a Friday night!
It was a 0-0 bore draw IIRC.
Wasn’t that the promotion celebration night with the ground packed? Pretty sure we won and for this schoolboy at the time it was anything but boring.
We won 1-0.
If memory serves, the was a semi official promotion party later that night at the Top Rank, some of the players being in attendance.
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I could have sworn it was 0-0. Was it the previous season that it ended scoreless? Who scored btw, I was there but just don't remember us winning.
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Ian Ross scored, attendance 45,586.
The previous season it was a 0-0.
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Ian Ross scored, attendance 45,586.
The previous season it was a 0-0.
Ta PWS, now I remember, how it was that I couldn't recall Ian Ross scoring is hard to believe, his goals were a rarity. I definitely remember the 0-0 just got the timing arse about face.