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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: mike on November 25, 2018, 08:37:22 PM

Title: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: mike on November 25, 2018, 08:37:22 PM
As a 'not real fan' or someone who has two small children and lives nearly two hours away from Villa Park depending on your ideological purity, I don't see enough of the team to have the insight I'd like.

I used to get really annoyed about Bruce playing our defence out of position but I'm interested to hear what the view of 'real fans' is on how the two 'Ts' are performing. Do we still need a left back and is Tuanzebe any good?
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Ad@m on November 25, 2018, 09:00:47 PM
Tuanzebe's doing just fine now he's being played in the right position.

Taylor looks like someone who won a competition on the back of a cereal box.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
Taylor put in a couple of good challenges today, but his all round play is still piss poor.  He and Chester were terrible on the left side.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 25, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
Chester had a bad game today, and Taylor always looks like he's not good enough (he isn't).

Tuanzebe is doing alright now he's at CB.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: paul_e on November 25, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
Taylor just makes loads of mistakes, they had 3 chances today that came from him over-committing and giving their winger time and space to get the ball in. Going forward he's really ponderous, every chance he takes 2-3 touches before trying to cross and it means he loses his space and our timings in the box are all off. A replacement at left back is the top priority for me. Moving Hutton there is not the answer and surely today shows that.

Tuanzebe is fine, his pace at the back is a massive asset and he#s not so easily bullied as he was earlier in the season. We need cover/competition for him still though.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2018, 09:23:02 PM
Axel been much better than Chester last two months.

You can tell opposition always pick out Taylor as a weak link. He was poor one v one in a shot they had just after they scored the second, was so easily beaten.

Guess Smith is just playing him as he wants balance on both flanks when getting forward rather than put Hutton there and he has to check back before crossing the ball, would imagine we'll get a loan in January for that position.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: olaftab on November 25, 2018, 10:27:38 PM
What’s this bollocks about “real fan”?
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: olaftab on November 25, 2018, 10:31:01 PM
Tuanzebe on ground is very good and much too good for most forwards in this League. Tuanzebe in air is below average and easily out muscled by big lumps in this League.
Taylor is horrific.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 25, 2018, 10:34:31 PM
Taylor has gone backwards since the incident.
But he lacks basic ability for a player at this level, barely adequate.
I think we are still trying to work out why Bruce played Tunz at right back, he is developing into a very decent centre back,in fact he seems to be improving with every game.
Quick, good with the ball at his feet, getting better at the physical side and in the air.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Matt Collins on November 25, 2018, 10:37:39 PM
Surely we'll get a centre back in Jan

If we get someone very good, I think tuanzebe will be ahead of Chester if current form continues
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Steve67 on November 25, 2018, 11:28:20 PM
We are all real fans.

Taylor has improved since Dean arrived but will be the first to be replaced.  Tuanzebe, for me, is Chester' s longer term replacement and I hope we sign him permanently. Has a bit to learn but is also massively improved.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 25, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
AT in my opinion is potentially an outstanding number 2 CB. He'd have been superb next to Terry for example and would be next to a player of a similar style. More no nonsense. For me it's how Curtis Davis looked next to Laursen vs when he was asked to be the main guy. Chester again is a solid number 2 CB. He'll generally give you 7/10, quite a few 8's, very rarely above or below. Today he was poor and I think a lot was down to not being fit. Then again it might just have been one of those rare occasions where he had a poor game. It happens.

Neil Taylor. Third and at a push second string LB. That's all and he's giving us that right now.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: mr underhill on November 26, 2018, 09:04:32 AM
I thought he should have done more to prevent their second tbh.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Clampy on November 26, 2018, 10:17:45 AM
I wasn't too sure about us bringing Tuanzebe back at the time but he's been excellent since he moved alongside Chester.

I don't mind Taylor too much. He's better at defending than going forward which I think is what will cost him his place in the long run. I think Smith will want someone who good at attacking as well as defending.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Ad@m on November 26, 2018, 12:10:28 PM
I thought he should have done more to prevent their second tbh.

Nah, Hourihane was at fault for their 2nd.  His man scored, and he gave up on him just as they reached the box.

I like Hourihane but I bet McGinn wouldn't have given up on his man.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: rougegorge on November 26, 2018, 12:44:53 PM
I had doubts about Tuanzebe, and he still doesn't head it well (no jump for the second goal yesterday), but I can see he could be a good centre back and is generally very comfortable on the ball.

Regarding Taylor, it's a shame, but he clearly must have been affected by the Coleman tackle. I know people say that players should play in their designated positions, but for now I would definitely go with Bruce's preference for ElMo at right back and Cafu at left back.

Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: mike on November 26, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
What’s this bollocks about “real fan”?

I'm embarrassed how little I get to see an actual match is all.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: olaftab on November 26, 2018, 11:08:31 PM
But mike you are as real as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
But mike you are as real as the rest of us.

What if we are just part of a dream he's having and when he wakes up we cease to exist?
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: brontebilly on November 26, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
I had doubts about Tuanzebe, and he still doesn't head it well (no jump for the second goal yesterday), but I can see he could be a good centre back and is generally very comfortable on the ball.

Regarding Taylor, it's a shame, but he clearly must have been affected by the Coleman tackle. I know people say that players should play in their designated positions, but for now I would definitely go with Bruce's preference for ElMo at right back and Cafu at left back.

Tuanzebe is very good on the ball but takes chances, particularly letting the ball bounce, that he simply will not get away with against better players. He is really poor in the air. On the plus side Tuanzebe coming in ahead of Jedinak really helps us keep the ball a lot better and also enables us play a much higher line. We are still conceding chances by the bag full against very average sides.

no comparison of Johnstone/Chester/Terry v Nyland/Tuanzebe/Chester. Getting Taylor out of the side would be a start, their winger ran past him like he wasnt there in the second half yesterday. Monk substituted him a few minutes later which was bizarre.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: mike on November 27, 2018, 09:31:40 AM
Thanks for all this. What little I've seen, we do still look defensively fragile. I suppose the fact that Smith is sticking with Taylor made me hope he was getting better. I haven't seen anyone asking for Jedinak to go back to centre half... Bruce really had lost the plot by the end.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Drummond on November 27, 2018, 09:52:42 AM
But mike you are as real as the rest of us.

What if we are just part of a dream he's having and when he wakes up we cease to exist?

Alright Morpheus.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: PGW on November 28, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
I thought he should have done more to prevent their second tbh.
Look where Alan Hutton is for their second i would make him more culpable than Taylor if i'm honest.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 28, 2018, 11:45:11 AM
I thought he should have done more to prevent their second tbh.
Look where Alan Hutton is for their second i would make him more culpable than Taylor if i'm honest.
...and Hourihane!
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Mellin on November 28, 2018, 12:15:38 PM
Hourihane for me. Gave him a free run. Have to be more disciplined than that if he's to play at the base of a 3 (which I'd like to see, just needs more time to learn the trade).

As for Taylor, there's a player in there and he's improved recently. I'd rather persevere rather than bring in, say, Ashley Cole.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Ad@m on November 28, 2018, 12:43:22 PM
Hourihane for me. Gave him a free run. Have to be more disciplined than that if he's to play at the base of a 3 (which I'd like to see, just needs more time to learn the trade).

As for Taylor, there's a player in there and he's improved recently. I'd rather persevere rather than bring in, say, Ashley Cole.

Christ!  Talk about choosing between the Devil and the deep blue sea!  I'm sure we can find a better replacement than Ashley Cole!!
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2018, 01:32:27 PM
Hourihane for me. Gave him a free run. Have to be more disciplined than that if he's to play at the base of a 3 (which I'd like to see, just needs more time to learn the trade).

As for Taylor, there's a player in there and he's improved recently. I'd rather persevere rather than bring in, say, Ashley Cole.

He wasn't at the base of the 3 at that point, Whelan was. The problem was that Whelan came back alongside the centre backs which meant there was a big gap in midfield and Taylor, Hutton and Hourihane were all out of position, he then played a 50/50 ball into Tammy who was, effectively, double marked and didn't have a first time pass on (because of big gap) so he had to try to turn away and he lost the ball.

Once we'd lost the ball all 3 of the guyds I named were slow getting into position which gave them time to cross and meant pedersen was unmarked in the box but Whelan was the root of it for me.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: Mellin on November 28, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Whelan was the Sunday, but Hourihane has been generally speaking under Smith. Absolutely shite defensively tonight though and I take back my above comment about learning his trade. One of Bjarnsson, Jedinak or Whelan has to play.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: David_Nab on November 28, 2018, 10:27:39 PM
Whelan was the Sunday, but Hourihane has been generally speaking under Smith. Absolutely shite defensively tonight though and I take back my above comment about learning his trade. One of Bjarnsson, Jedinak or Whelan has to play.

I agree Houriane  was no where tonight when they attacked and TBH going forward he was hit and miss too , few dodgy corners and shots

Really for now its only Whelan who can come in as the other 2 are injured as is Lansbury .

Tuanzebe was good enough tonight strong on ball and certainly the better of the 2 CB's ,Taylor has improved but he is never more than average always just a little too slow or to weak for me.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2018, 10:33:34 PM
Tonight their 3 behind Grabban were far too quick for Hourihane, even when he tried to cover he was chasing shadows. Sadly I don't think we anyone who'd have been the right option in front of the back 4 tonight and at least Hourihane does something at the other end to make up for it.
Title: Re: Tuanzebe and Taylor
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2018, 10:47:32 PM
From the five goals tonight, Tuanzebe would take a lot of blame for four of them. Drawn to the ball for the first leaving Grabban in yards of space behind him in front of the goal, replicated error for second goal ran with Grabban on his decoy run leaving a massive space for the midfielder for the second, again dragged far too far over to Chester's side for the third, he actually tracks Grabban well for the fifth but fails to block shot. His defensive instincts remind me of Micah Richards, fine with play in front of him, ghastly though for anticipating where the real danger is and a non entity in the air. Completely schooled by Grabban tonight.

Tuanzebe and Chester are a horrible centre back partnership getting progressively worse. Car crash behind them and Hourihane (takes a share of blame for four goals on my count tonight) as the midfield cover in front. We had Whelan in for the derby and still defensively we were really poor so Im not sure what Smith can do until January.

Surprisingly enough, Taylor was the only one of the back five who couldnt take any blame for any of the 5 goals tonight, and got an assist.
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