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Title: Terry Henry.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 08, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
Jeez...


Paul Doyle - Guardian.

What is going so badly wrong for Thierry Henry at Monaco?
Henry, still searching for his first win after five games in charge, is facing problems on and off the pitch at the Ligue 1 club

 
“People tell me after every match that it can’t get worse, but it does,” observed Thierry Henry after his team’s crushing 4-0 defeat by Club Brugge on Tuesday. That was Monaco’s worst-ever home defeat in Europe, inflicted by a team that had not won a Champions League match for 13 years. It came a few hours after Monaco’s billionaire owner, Dmitry Rybolovlev, was taken into police custody for questioning about corruption after being picked up at his sumptuous and suddenly very inaptly named house, La Belle Époque.


What can we learn from Thierry Henry's debut as Monaco manager?
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“How can they have fallen so far, so quickly, just a year and a half after wowing Europe and toppling PSG?” asked L’Equipe’s Régis Testelin of a club that reached the 2017 Champions League semi-finals but are now effectively out of European competition and left to concentrate on a domestic league in which they are second-last, above Guingamp only on goal difference. “The balance of a club and of a team is a fragile thing, and juggling players like skittles on the transfer market is fraught with risk but to fall this low: who, frankly, could have imagined this?”

Certainly things are not panning out as Henry envisaged when Monaco’s vice-president, Vadim Vasilyev, visited him at his London home last month to discuss the managerial vacancy that arose following the club’s dismissal of Leonardo Jardim. Vasilyev was impressed by how much Henry knew about the current squad at the club that he graced as a player for five years between 1994 and 1999, and about the plan he set out for moving forward. That plan has no doubt undergone revisions already. His five matches in charge have yielded three defeats, two draws and seemingly endless misfortune, with injuries aggravating a bleak predicament.

Going into Tuesday’s game after an insipid performance and sorry domestic defeat at Reims, Henry hoped to see a positive reaction. His side started brightly but once they conceded, they collapsed. They were 3-0 down by the 24th minute. Henry bemoaned “schoolboy errors” from his players and a tendency to “give up” as soon as things went against them. Most of Monaco’s hardcore supporters had left in disgust before Club Brugge struck their fourth goal late in the second half.

Even the Belgians, whose last win in continental competition came more than three years ago at Besiktas in the Europa League, could hardly believe it. “That was not the best we’ve played in our four [Champions League] matches this season,” said the Club Brugge manager, Ivan Leko, unintentionally riffing on Monaco’s pain.


“It was shameful,” said Monaco’s France international right-back Djibril Sidibé. He himself played badly, as did most of the other survivors of the club’s triumphant 2017 campaign (including Jemerson, Radamel Falcao and Kamil Glik). The most coveted players from that campaign have been sold, of course, with Fabinho, Thomas Lemar and João Moutinho leaving in the summer following the earlier departures of Kylian Mbappé, Bernardo Silva, Benjamin Mendy and Tiémoué Bakayoko. In the past Monaco have been savvy regenerators – Jardim once saying that his job was to “permanently rebuild” – but the most recent recruits have failed to bridge the talent gap. That should not be surprising. Nacer Chadli has barely flickered, Youri Tielemans has shone at times but not nearly enough. Meanwhile, Aleksandr Golovin, Stevan Jovetic and Willem Geubbels are among many injured absentees.


Against Club Brugge the best home player was Sofiane Diop, an 18-year-old who had not played a senior game before this season. Two of the substitutes that Henry introduced in a slightly desperate search for hope on Tuesday were even younger and less experienced, the 17-year-old pair Han-Noah Massengo and Gobe Gouano.

“I wanted to see if they had the stomach for the fight even if it’s not easy making your debut at 3-0 down,” explained Henry. “I don’t have many players available so I’m looking for ones who are going to run and show desire. If the young ones do that, they will play. Youngsters have no fear and maybe that’s what we need at the moment. We have to get that feeling back.”

Henry, of course, is also a rookie, in managerial terms, and he cannot draw on his playing career for first-hand knowledge of surviving a scrap against relegation. In his five games so far there has been no sign of tactical naivety, no reason to doubt his ideas. The doubt that lingers, however, is about his ability to rally a team by something other than his own exemplary performances on the pitch.

How charismatic is he? His star power evidently is not enough, so can he find the words or gestures to inspire boldness and composure from veterans who seem to have gone into their shells? Is Henry really a leader? This is a tremendous opportunity for Henry to show qualities that he kept hidden during France’s ridiculous 2010 World Cup fiasco, for instance.

At least luck may turn, and some of Monaco’s injured players will regain fitness. Rybolovlev may or may not be in a position to adjust recent policy and approve big expenditure in January, although he has serious legal matters to address.

In the short term, however, things could get even worse for Henry. For Sunday’s Ligue 1 match Monaco will be deprived of Tielemans through suspension, while Glik has been added to very long injury-list. And the opponents are Paris Saint-Germain.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 08, 2018, 03:37:00 PM
I'm sure everyone will join me in wishing him all the best in turning it around & going on to be a great manager.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Bullet well and truly dodged.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
From the sounds of it at least the academy players would have got a game...
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2018, 04:07:50 PM
Maybe Bad English can answer, but why is his name pronounced "Tee-air-ee On-ree"? I thought the last letter in French words was usually silent so it should be pronounced "Tee-air On-rrr"?

This has been troubling me for much of the afternoon.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Border villan on November 08, 2018, 04:45:18 PM
Maybe Bad English can answer, but why is his name pronounced "Tee-air-ee On-ree"? I thought the last letter in French words was usually silent so it should be pronounced "Tee-air On-rrr"?

This has been troubling me for much of the afternoon.
With all the years he played in the smoke it should be 'enry as in Cooper.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Legion on November 08, 2018, 05:01:27 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/b1/f0/2fb1f0ff1589fb03ffa4814f3aef0929.jpg)
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2018, 05:11:23 PM
That'll larn 'im.  The Curse of The Holte End.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2018, 05:11:55 PM
That "young players have no fear" is surely a cliché, I imagine a lot of them are nervous in their first few games especially when playing for a struggling team.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 08, 2018, 05:17:22 PM
Lambert was way ahead of his time with the young and hungry philosophy.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2018, 05:47:46 PM
If you are questioned about corruption in Monaco you must be very dodgy but it can’t be true as the owner Dmitry sounds like he is Russian🤔
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: mallo on November 08, 2018, 06:10:35 PM
Another BBC 'view'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46142786 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46142786)

It'll get worse before it gets better! Possibly like us getting Garde in. I'm surprised Henry didn't do more homework. I think we got the better deal by a country mile. I hope he goes on to greatness and we beat him in the Champions league final.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2018, 08:32:58 PM
By scoring a goal directly from a quickly taken free-kick #neverbitter
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Legion on November 08, 2018, 08:34:15 PM
With a hint of handball in there.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Pete3206 on November 08, 2018, 09:07:46 PM
I sincerely hope that Mr Henry is enjoying 'the project'.

The dirty cheat.

Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Steve67 on November 08, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
Why's this not in the other football thread?  Feck all to do with Villa, thank God!  Henry can disappear up his own arse or up the exhaust of one of those poncey cars he drives on the telly.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Damo70 on November 08, 2018, 11:21:05 PM
Why's this not in the other football thread?  Feck all to do with Villa, thank God!  Henry can disappear up his own arse or up the exhaust of one of those poncey cars he drives on the telly.

It looks like you will get your wish. He seems well on his way to disappearing up his own arse the way things are going.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: KevinGage on November 09, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
It's concerning that the owner (well one of them, at least) seemed so sold on him.

Like a love sick puppy.

Might work out best for us in the long run, but still concerning that they offered the job to two blokes who didn't even want it before eventually offering to someone who'd never say no in a million years.

If TH or the other lad were their first choice, do the groundwork to make sure that when the offer officially goes in the answer is a formality.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2018, 12:12:15 AM
It's concerning that the owner (well one of them, at least) seemed so sold on him.

Like a love sick puppy.

Might work out best for us in the long run, but still concerning that they offered the job to two blokes who didn't even want it before eventually offering to someone who'd never say no in a million years.

If TH and the other lad were their first choice, do the groundwork to make sure that when the offer officially goes in the answer is a formality.

Thing is we don't know that to be absolutely true though. A lot of it was the media putting 2 and 2 together that he likes Arsenal which must mean he wanted Henry. And I'm sure if we really did want Henry we could have done it all pretty quickly in the summer or now and we didn't. Dean Smith could have been first choice all along but we interviewed the others. Once Henry was told he wasn't getting it he went for Monaco and the media took it as Henry snubbing us which might not have been the case at all.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Bad English on November 09, 2018, 05:59:23 AM
Maybe Bad English can answer, but why is his name pronounced "Tee-air-ee On-ree"? I thought the last letter in French words was usually silent so it should be pronounced "Tee-air On-rrr"?

This has been troubling me for much of the afternoon.
Because 'y' in French can be a vowel, and you do pronounce certain vowels at the end of words (fini, Henri, Henry...).
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2018, 06:33:05 AM
Y can be a vowel in English too. That's why we pronounce his name in English "fuck off Henry and you too Halsey you pair of cheating twats".
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2018, 09:45:31 AM
Maybe Bad English can answer, but why is his name pronounced "Tee-air-ee On-ree"? I thought the last letter in French words was usually silent so it should be pronounced "Tee-air On-rrr"?

This has been troubling me for much of the afternoon.
Because 'y' in French can be a vowel, and you do pronounce certain vowels at the end of words (fini, Henri, Henry...).

And why can't French people pronounce words beginning with 'h'?  Is it just lack of practice?
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2018, 10:35:09 AM
Maybe Bad English can answer, but why is his name pronounced "Tee-air-ee On-ree"? I thought the last letter in French words was usually silent so it should be pronounced "Tee-air On-rrr"?

This has been troubling me for much of the afternoon.
Because 'y' in French can be a vowel, and you do pronounce certain vowels at the end of words (fini, Henri, Henry...).

And why can't French people pronounce words beginning with 'h'?  Is it just lack of practice?

Are you pronouncing that 'aitch' or 'Haitch'?
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
Y can be a vowel in English too. That's why we pronounce his name in English "fuck off Henry and you too Halsey you pair of cheating twats".

I was livid over that, and to be honest was struggling to let it go when considering him as our manager.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: johnc on November 10, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
I realise it is not Villa news but as a final point the owner of Monaco  a Russian gentleman named Rybolovlev has been arrested for corruption in Monaco. Which in fairness is an achievement in itself. I would have thought that being corrupt would have been pretty much a pre-requisite of living in Monaco and being Russian could only have helped. Poor old Tez
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 10, 2018, 11:23:57 AM
Are you pronouncing that 'aitch' or 'Haitch'?

Are you calling me Catholic or Protestant? (persons of a certain age from NI should get that reference!)
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on November 10, 2018, 02:44:55 PM
5 games.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2018, 09:54:58 PM
Currently losing 4-0 at home. Not sure he’s a manager this Henry fella!
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 11, 2018, 10:01:22 PM
I always wanted Dean smith ever since I first saw us play Brentford but I must admit I did allow myself to be seduced by the Henry  option for a while.

Thank the Lord we chose the right one

He may work out in the end as his current team were shit before he got there but it is really tough for him at present.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2018, 10:04:04 PM
He may work out in the end as his current team were shit before he got there

As was ours (wink)
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: berneboy on November 11, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Currently losing 4-0 at home. Not sure he’s a manager this Henry fella!
They won 2-0
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
Currently losing 4-0 at home. Not sure he’s a manager this Henry fella!
They won 2-0

Monaco lost 4-0 to PSG
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Lsvilla on November 11, 2018, 10:13:26 PM
Currently losing 4-0 at home. Not sure he’s a manager this Henry fella!
They won 2-0

Monaco lost 4-0 to PSG
To quote the sky sports app comment on the game:
“FT: The referee puts a stop to another humiliating defeat for Monaco. PSG got four, they could have had double figures if they came out of second gear.”
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Des Little on November 11, 2018, 11:52:24 PM
To quote Barry Chuckle:

Oh dear
Oh dear, oh dear
Oh dear
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Diablo on November 26, 2018, 01:15:43 PM
Finally, Va-va-voom! Monaco got their first win - now 2 points from safety

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46324391
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2019, 06:42:43 PM
Suspended.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 24, 2019, 06:44:30 PM
Blimey, that's gone well.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 24, 2019, 07:07:45 PM
5 wins in 20 games culminating in humiliation at home and being knocked out of domestic cup competitions by lower league opponents.  If he'd been Villa manager any time in much of the last decade we wouldn't have noticed any difference.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 24, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
Dommage!!

Snub the Villa at your peril.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 24, 2019, 08:04:15 PM
Suspended? Something has obviously gone on off the field behind the scenes?
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2019, 08:17:33 PM
That's just the procedure over there, apparently. For "suspended", read "sacked".
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
I watched them on the telly last week against whoever Patrick Viera manages.  Stood there will all the passion of a carrot.  He talks a good game though. 
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 24, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
And now officially sacked.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
As he says with a big cheesy smile in his Sky sport ad  " Zerz alwiz nex wik".
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2019, 10:13:59 PM
That's just the procedure over there, apparently. For "suspended", read "sacked".

When a manager is suspended or put on 'gardening leave'* the odds are always against them returning.

*Can you still be put on gardening leave if you have a flat/apartment and no garden? Surely 'pot plant leave' or 'window box leave' would be a rather short suspension of duties.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
As he says with a big cheesy smile in his Sky sport ad  " Zerz alwiz nex wik".
He can sit down with Gary Neville and discuss their respective managerial careers for hours.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Des Little on January 24, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
Le twat. Huge bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: KevinGage on January 24, 2019, 11:32:53 PM
It's concerning that he appeared to be the favoured candidate on two occasions (at least with the Egyptian lad). Based on little more than a load of waffle on Sky.

Nothing else I have seen from him since he hung up his boots marked him out as a thinker.

Sure as shit he'll blame the set-up at Monaco. Despite having more favourable conditions than 95% of other managers in the French top division.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
I'm so glad we went for an established thinking manager rather than a flashy name with good TV soundbites (albeit I was seduced by the idea oh Henry too at the time).

I remain quietly confident Smith will get us in the playoffs and with the players in our squad if we do get that far it would be a fool who would bet against us in the one off big games.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Villa75 on January 25, 2019, 08:50:54 AM
What is it, 2 wins in 12 league games? You'd have to go, with that sort of record wouldn't you? Even though he's only had  3 months.

Mind you, there are some that would say he's not been given time to build his own squad in such a short space of time, and he should be allowed a minimum of two windows, and maybe even a couple of seasons, to get things right.

Well done on the owners for not dragging it out. If it's not working, it's not working.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: mr underhill on January 25, 2019, 09:01:18 AM
neither is Dean at the minute
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2019, 09:40:02 AM
What is it, 2 wins in 12 league games? You'd have to go, with that sort of record wouldn't you? Even though he's only had  3 months.

Mind you, there are some that would say he's not been given time to build his own squad in such a short space of time, and he should be allowed a minimum of two windows, and maybe even a couple of seasons, to get things right.

Well done on the owners for not dragging it out. If it's not working, it's not working.

If you sack managers after 3 months regularly you're only going one direction and it's not the way you want to go. I've not seen Monaco play either before he arrived or whilst he was there so I can't tell you if he deserved to go but there's clearly a problem because a manager who'd got them to 2nd the season before being sacked after 2 months with them in the relegation spots suggests something has gone badly wrong. I think turning that round is a massive job and, in truth, was clearly too big a job for a rookie. It doesn't make sacking managers early on if they have a bad run the right thing to do though, all that does it put you into a cycle of permanent transition because no coaching team has chance to embed any ideas or create an identity. I hate the reliance on quick fixes in football and sacking managers within months of them arriving is an attempt at a quick fix. The only time I think it's the right thing to do is when they're clearly out of their depth or when the manager was the quick fix and has failed. If you used the right criteria to select the manager in the first place then he's still the right man 3 months later.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
Yeah but you gotta applaud Villa75 for the audacity.

Two wins in twelve does suck, a two-aller against Lamberk tomorrow will send some of us over the edge.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Ads on January 25, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Matt C on January 25, 2019, 02:24:44 PM
Didn’t I read he’s going to be replaced by the same manager they sacked three months ago? Not that we’ve been model decision makers over the last decade or anything, but that doesn’t seem the best thought out plan.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Villa75 on January 25, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.

You're the only "gimp" on here, buddy. And, most of the "shite" chatted  on here comes courtesy of your ever failing predictions.

Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 25, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.

You're the only "gimp" on here, buddy. And, most of the "shite" chatted  on here comes courtesy of your ever failing predictions.



Both of you can cut that out.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Villa75 on January 25, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.

You're the only "gimp" on here, buddy. And, most of the "shite" chatted  on here comes courtesy of your ever failing predictions.



Both of you can cut that out.

Apologies.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Damo70 on January 25, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
If you are manager of one of the traditional top four clubs in the league and are in the relegation zone in January you will get the sack, whoever you are.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: brian green on January 25, 2019, 08:13:51 PM
See Garde, R.  Except his top four were in Ligue Un.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: mr underhill on January 26, 2019, 09:41:29 AM
was there any tangible evidence we really were interested, or was it all  paper talk?
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: olaftab on January 26, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.

You're the only "gimp" on here, buddy. And, most of the "shite" chatted  on here comes courtesy of your ever failing predictions.



Both of you can cut that out.

Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2019, 10:52:21 AM
Don't feed the troll. He's quite plainly some banned gimp back to chat shite.

You're the only "gimp" on here, buddy. And, most of the "shite" chatted  on here comes courtesy of your ever failing predictions.



Both of you can cut that out.

Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on January 26, 2019, 12:32:21 PM
was there any tangible evidence we really were interested, or was it all  paper talk?

Think it was mostly paper talk, though I think it was also reported by the BBC and other broadcasters.  Because he was linked twice then I tend to think there was something to it. 

My concern is that if we finish mid-table this season the owners will have a knee jerk reaction and return to the Henry well.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 26, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
was there any tangible evidence we really were interested, or was it all  paper talk?

Think it was mostly paper talk, though I think it was also reported by the BBC and other broadcasters.  Because he was linked twice then I tend to think there was something to it. 

My concern is that if we finish mid-table this season the owners will have a knee jerk reaction and return to the Henry well.

Return to the Henry well? There is considerable doubt that such a well has ever been visited by the owners.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 26, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Sounds like there were some mitigating factors at that club but Henry hasn't overcome them, to say the least.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: john e on January 26, 2019, 01:13:46 PM
he’s still young
he could still go on to be successfull
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Bad English on January 26, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2019, 05:41:19 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: GarTomas on January 26, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary

Monaco fans probably not sure what the point of appointing Henry for 20 games was to then replace him with the man who Henry replaced.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: mr underhill on January 27, 2019, 07:46:44 AM
I'm not sure anyone can, fan or not, although they had no choice in activating the Henry bit.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Damo70 on January 27, 2019, 11:46:47 AM
Surely we wouldn't appoint Henry who was sacked for being in the relegation zone half way through the season.
That would be like appointing a bloke who had just got Small Heath relegated.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2019, 12:02:26 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary
Ditto
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Steve67 on January 27, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary
Ditto

Seconded.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: mallo on January 27, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary
Ditto

Seconded.
QED
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: john e on January 27, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
I feel there is a lot of posts on this thread that are not really necessary
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2019, 04:40:54 PM
Fitting given the thread title is of a makey-uppey character.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 27, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
When he got the Monaco job, I heard a French journalist on the radio saying he'd be surprised if Henry became a success as a manager as he cut quite a cold and isolated figure as a player, wasn't really a people person, which seems to be half the battle as a modern day manager.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: purpletrousers on January 27, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
The richest irony being it was a perfectly reasonable and constructive comment by Aftab to commend an apology, to reinforce the positive.

Likewise Clampy’s comment a wondrous parallel to office round robin emails that complain about people hitting reply all...by hitting reply all.

Anyway I still trust Dean. Tel H might need to drop a bit lower now to earn his stripes...
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: brian green on January 27, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Pity TH is on his way out of Monaco.  I had an excellent letter to him drafted complaining about the dearth of decent chip shops in Monte Carlo.  I was REALLY looking forward on our rebirth to travelling with our fans and singing "Monte Carlo, what a shit hole".
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Brassneck on January 27, 2019, 07:00:17 PM
I have to say, if I were a Monaco fan, I would be asking what the point of hiring Henry was to be honest. Not really necessary IMO.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 27, 2019, 07:04:26 PM
When he got the Monaco job, I heard a French journalist on the radio saying he'd be surprised if Henry became a success as a manager as he cut quite a cold and isolated figure as a player, wasn't really a people person, which seems to be half the battle as a modern day manager.
From the Guardian reports of Monaco matches,this does seem to be his problem.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on January 28, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Apologies.
Well done Villa75 for apologising on your part....

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.

Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary.


Not sure what the point of that post is to be honest. Not really necessary
Ditto

Seconded.
QED
QEII
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2019, 10:16:40 AM
NSWTPOTPITBHNRN
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: olaftab on January 29, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
Pity TH is on his way out of Monaco.  I had an excellent letter to him drafted complaining about the dearth of decent chip shops in Monte Carlo.  I was REALLY looking forward on our rebirth to travelling with our fans and singing "Monte Carlo, what a shit hole".
I get that Brian. A couple of years ago whilst sitting in Cafe de Paris making my everso "reasonable priced" ice cream last about an hour I couldn't help but think what this square needs is a Wetherspoons and Poundstretcher to make is complete.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
Monaco is a right shithole if you ask me.  Looks like the roughest bit of Salford with all the high rises, except in Monaco they go for about £10m each.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Diablo on January 29, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Monaco
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: brian green on January 29, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Thank you Martin.  I was being ironic.  My tribe and I (we were camping in the hinterland) were once ordered by the Gendarmerie Monegasque not to look over the wall at the Casino.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2019, 05:53:02 PM
Thank you Martin.  I was being ironic.  My tribe and I (we were camping in the hinterland) were once ordered by the Gendarmerie Monegasque not to look over the wall at the Casino.

I wasn't, it's horrible. That coastline is lovely, but spoilt by Monaco and all its concrete monstrosities.  Most of the people there are twats as well.  Not the Monégasques, who I'm sure are mostly great, but the ex-pats, who mostly aren't.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 30, 2019, 01:22:22 PM
A European football journalist the other day summed up his time at Monaco and why he didn't succeed.

1. During the warm ups instead of watching and advising he played like he was still actually playing, taking the piss with his tricks etc.
2. Against PSG, apparently he was laughing and joking with MBappe and others instead of concentrating on his own team's warm up giving the impression he didn't care.
3. Regular petulant touchline reactions to players cocking up or officials or just generally.

Everything we suspected would happen.  A bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Terry Henry.
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
I think the same accusation used to be levelled at Glenda Hoddle.  Expecting players to be able to do the things he was capable of, but weren't.  As in hitting long passes and that, not believing in magic doctors and the like.
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