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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
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Phew. 3 points well done Dean. Lots to work on but signs of life again at Villa Park.
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Get in.
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And our march to world domination has begun.
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Lovely and great to see Nyland full of confidence.
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Winning start, job done, we build from here.
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Up the fucking Villa
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That'll do. Had chances to win it more comfortably, but Nyland kept us in it a couple of times with some fine saves. A lot of work to do with Smith, but brilliant to start with a win in front of a full house. Superb stuff.
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Yeeeeeeees
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This Facebook stream is like being on ketamine.
Hahaha! Are Villa FB streams a gateway to hard drugs?
Well happy with the win! UTV!!
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Hard fought, though we missed some sitters. Very nice feeling to win.
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41326. What a crowd.
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Brilliant! Such an important win! Another couple on the bounce and the table might start looking a little rosey.
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This Facebook stream is like being on ketamine.
Hahaha! Are Villa FB streams a gateway to hard drugs?
Well happy with the win! UTV!!
I think Villa itself is a gateway to hard drugs.
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Oh deep joy, deep joy. Well done you wonderful shower.
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A goal up in injury time and we were still attacking. That's all I wanted.
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Stats don’t make great reading but a win is a win
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Well what do you know, played a back 4 in the correct positions and a clean sheet.
Plenty of room for improvements, but nice to see us creating more chances than we normally do.
Saturdays are back!
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Stats don’t make great reading but a win is a win
Aston Villa 1-0 Swansea is a stat that makes great reading.
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All we had to do was win today and we did by keeping a clean sheet. This could be massive in the context of the season.
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This Facebook stream is like being on ketamine.
Hahaha! Are Villa FB streams a gateway to hard drugs?
Well happy with the win! UTV!!
I think Villa itself is a gateway to hard drugs.
I knew there had to be an upside somewhere along the line ;-)
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Stats surprised me but thought chances were level. The quality of our chances was better though I thought.
Certainly not liquid football but much better off the ball. The defending from the front was noticeably better - kudos Tammy who never stopped working.
When we can work Bolasie and El Ghazi into the wide positions will look very dangerous.
Special mention to Nyland and Taylor who’ve got some stick recently but thought both were much improved; Nyland especially.
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Well what do you know, played a back 4 in the correct positions and a clean sheet.
Plenty of room for improvements, but nice to see us creating more chances than we normally do.
Saturdays are back!
Until next Tuesday and Friday 😂😂
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Very happy with the win, plenty for Dean to work on, but a win 👍😀
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With 2 away games in six days coming up, it’s going to be very hard for Dean and his team to break us further out of Cabbage mode.
Hopefully we can take the impetus from this result into Tuesday night and maybe that has buoyed the defensive players somewhat!
Up the Villa
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What a relief! I was a jibbering wreck during the second half waiting for the equaliser: it's what we've got used to after all!
Thank f*ck it never came: what does Villa do to me?
Food shop on the way home now: truly part of a rock and roll lifestyle...
Onwards and upwards!
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John Terry. Just his presence forces clean sheets.
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Come on you Villa boys
Haven't seen the stats, but did watch the game and saw us miss 3/4 sitters in the second half. Could easily of been 4-0 by 75 mins.
Onwards!
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Very positive tonight - doesn't mean I expect us to go on and romp the league but I think in just 90 mins one can start to see how we were being held back by Bruce.
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That smell of fresh air is brilliant.
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Very positive tonight - doesn't mean I expect us to go on and romp the league but I think in just 90 mins one can start to see how we were being held back by Bruce.
It won’t be long before it was the players fault for not playing for Bruce....
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Very happy with the win, plenty for Dean to work on, but a win 👍😀
Indeed. Some decent individual performances too. Shame our attack let us down, we really should have finished them off earlier on. Good effort from all and having only had everybody back on Thursday, those are three massive points. Next.
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It shows that if you are more positive, you can get results. A lot to work on but so much better.
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That smell of fresh air is brilliant.
Eagerly awaiting the Villa manager's post match press conference is a new sensation.
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Good effort all round. On the flip side showed just a mess Bruce left in terms of fitness. Nyland first Half looked jittery second half two great saves
Good marker put down by deano taking jack off and McGinn motm
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Match Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11530808/aston-villa-1-0-swansea)
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That smell of fresh air is brilliant.
Eagerly awaiting the Villa manager's post match press conference is a new sensation.
How refreshing to hear our manager talking about whether the lads followed through his instructions! I honestly can’t remember a Villa manager ever doing that!
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Well what do you know, played a back 4 in the correct positions and a clean sheet.
Plenty of room for improvements, but nice to see us creating more chances than we normally do.
Saturdays are back!
Until next Tuesday and Friday 😂😂
I wonder how many noses have cancelled their SKY subscriptions complaining it had turned into 'Villa TV'. ;)
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The clean sheet is encouraging, but even more so is that fact that we created a hatful of good chances.
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Post match interview https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1053684646737780736
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This Facebook stream is like being on ketamine.
Hahaha! Are Villa FB streams a gateway to hard drugs?
Well happy with the win! UTV!!
What about actually going to Villa Park?
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A relief to win that. Was it our first clean sheet of the season?
McGinn was absolutely stupendous and will be a big miss on Tuesday.
Abraham’s work rate it top, top drawer, and to keep chasing like he did right up until the 94th is a testimony to his fitness, it’s just a shame some of his quality let’s him down.
Onwards and upwards.
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just home - if we had played today under Bruce a draw at best so some sign of improvement. I can't decide if Abraham - and to an extend Jack - were simply profligate, or their keeper made some good saves. Either way, a good nerve calming win. Great reception for Dean and applause for Doug.
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The manager talking about game plans, traps, coachable players, things he asked them to do, future work on the ball etc. No mention of rolling up your sleeves and pulling your socks on. That should be a given. Fuck Bruce. A new era has begun.
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Avtv was excellent today. Multiple replays and everything! The sound was terrible though it's like listening on a 1930s wireless.
Nyland man of the match.
Thought the subs were spot on too,
Well done Villa!
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Couldn’t agree with Deano’s post match analysis more. Solid first half, tired second...a great 3 pts either way.
Some ratings on the starting 11...
Nyland - 7.5 gave away a sloppy corner otherwise this could have been an 8. I think he’ll always make me nervous on the ball but shot stopping is up there with Bozzie
Hutton 6 - industrious but I’d love to see us bring in some more quality on the ball in this area
Tuanzebe 7 - didn’t notice him too much but probably the mark of a competent performance.
Chester 9 - rock solid today. Always in the right place and totally assured with the ball at his feet. Think this performance will have impressed Smith.
Taylor 7 - worked hard, few mistakes. No complaints
BB 8 - tidied up a lot of lose balls very effectively. Benefited from their forward line having a terrible first touch. Apart from one misplaced pass where he tried to be clever he kept things simple and gave a composed performance.
McGinn 8 - end product wasn’t always on point but tenacious presence in the midfield. Started a lot of our good work going forward and was determined to never lose the ball.
Grealish 7 - still fail to see how he would have any impact at Spurs with his performances for us this season. Still an effective no.10 performance for a Championship side.
Elmo 7 - good first half and did well for the goal. Fairy anonymous second.
Albert 5 - lacked any dynamism in his performance for me when you see what we have waiting in the wings to replace him
Tammy 7 - took his goal well, but very sloppy with his ball distribution. Looks a handful for defenders
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
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well done on your win today against our noisy neighbours
the blue side of south wales are a happy bunch tonight
looking forward to MOTD tonight for once !
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A win vs Norwich will see us jump above them. That’s how tight it is above us.
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
It was great
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Firstly it was great to see a packed Villa Park again and the array of former players who turned out to pay their respects to Doug Ellis before the game. As for the match itself, I thought we showed attacking intent throughout, even though the quality of the final ball wasn't always there. We had a few chances to extend our lead before Swansea had some late chances which Nyland made some good saves from (don't quite know how one of them was given as a goal kick!!)
Thought Tuanzebe and Chester did well together and the midfield 3 of Bjarnason, McGinn and Grealish worked well together at times (I don't really know if that 3 is going to be robust enough in the Championship though).
Anyway, good to get a win and get the game today out of the way. The real work now starts with two away games within a week.
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Thought Nyland and Taylor played well . Someone from this parish mentioned we would get a bigger attendance than the Chelsea v Man Utd game , we did.
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well done on your win today against our noisy neighbours
the blue side of south wales are a happy bunch tonight
looking forward to MOTD tonight for once !
Yes, good win for you boys.
Enjoy it later...
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Could have been a high scoring game but for both keepers. Good game for the most The analogy between Nyland and Bozzie is spot on. I’ll take it.
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well done on your win today against our noisy neighbours
the blue side of south wales are a happy bunch tonight
looking forward to MOTD tonight for once !
Yes, good win for you boys.
Enjoy it later...
Haven't watched MOTD for years , even when we were in the top flight ( getting our pants pulled down weekly). Our highlights aren't even on Channel 5 now , but a channel called Quest . Always makes me think of this song..
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In his first post match interview lasting 1 minute 54 seconds, Smith displayed more knowledge and understanding of tactics and coaching than Bruce did in 2 years.
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Big 3 points today, Tammy could have had a hatrick. Liked the way he was geeing up the crowd in the Trinity on about the 90th minute.
Players playing in their normal position, haven't seen this sorcery at VP for a while, pity McGinns booking means he misses Tuesday.
Anyway we will be there or thereabouts if Deano continues to improve the performances!
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Apart from the game review, could someone give a review on the tribute to Doug
Who was there
what was said
Was it respected
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Great afternoon at Villa Park. Beautiful autumn day, packed house, players playing with intent and intensity, pressing higher up the pitch, keeping a much higher line when the opposition had the ball, three points, clean sheet, tactics (whatever they are) on display, and a new word - optimism. Good times are coming back to Villa. Yes there was some sloppy passing at times, and Tammy & Jack should have put us out of sight with their chances, but to counter that McGinn was a midfield bull terrier (MOTM for me), and fair play to Nyland who made some decent saves to keep us in it. I'm starting to enjoy football again.
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Doug’s tribute was tastefully done and well respected. Cowans, evans, daley, withe, taylor, little amongst 40 odd guests.
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In his first post match interview lasting 1 minute 54 seconds, Smith displayed more knowledge and understanding of tactics and coaching than Bruce did in 2 years.
And in his first answer he even alluded to...*whisper* sex. Bruce never did that in two years...perhaps just as well.
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Apart from the game review, could someone give a review on the tribute to Doug
Who was there
what was said
Was it respected
Brian Little laid the wreath
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Link to Pravda FB video (https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/326958464549963/?t=0)
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Loved the football. Looks like things being done with some kind of forethought.
Loved Terry's little altercation with the Swansea bench towards the end.
Loved the post match interview.
I'm not going to let the service in the UT concourse put the dampeners on a fine day. But still, worse than fucking useless.
Onwards and upwards.
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
Yes but he needs to learn a few football phrases otherwise he will never survive these tough situations called post match interviews.
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Stats don’t make great reading but a win is a win
Aston Villa 1-0 Swansea is a stat that makes great reading.
Not sure about stats as haven't seen any yet but after watching the match at VP a more fair scoeline would have been 5-2 in our favour.
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There was a noticeable buzz before the game today.
I had that buzz too. I haven't felt that in a long old time.
Early stages, but very promising signs today. I thought we'd pressed them hard and as often as we could. We were trying to pop the ball around quicker too.
Fair play, John McGinn won so many tackles in midfield and set us up countless times by harrying, chasing and sticking his foot in.
How refreshing to see us making subs that stuck to our gameplan and didn't just involve bringing on every defensive player available whilst retreating towards the North Stand car park.
My lad loved it today. All he's known is us being shite. I'm hopeful we're turning a corner. Everything is changing.
Viva la revolution.
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That's the first live Villa game I've attended since RDM was sacked where I wasn't looking at my watch, bored shitless, after about 20 minutes. There was a bit of tempo in our forward play, the players seemed to know what they were supposed to be doing, including movement off the ball and pressing high, Taylor was getting forward beyond the strikers on overlaps and looked a decent player bar a couple of errors. It was all very unfamiliar.
Still a lot to work on though, Swansea had far too many free headers in our box, and we have to be more clinical with our chances. Still can't believe the two sitters Abraham missed, the header was harder to miss than score. I also thought the substitutions weren't great. Elmo and Albert had been tracking back to cover, Bolasie and Kodija looked rather disinterested in putting in much effort in that respect, which gave their full-backs a licence to get forward put us under a bit of pressure.
Really impressed with McGinn even though not everything comes off he tries to make things happen and if he loses it tries his best to win it back. And well done to Taylor and Nyland who showed they can play a bit. Biggest disappointment for me was Grealish who still seems to deliver much less than he promises.
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I was unhappy with the line up with Albert, Taylor and Elmo in there, but fair play, well done on the result and clean sheet. One of the posters said the players will get blamed for not playing for Bruce? I think they were confused and disorganised with him in charge. Under Smith, this won't be the case and therefore, I was completely wrong about the line up and with more consistency, Taylor and Albert may come back to some sort of form. Clean sheets need to become the norm. It's so tight in the top half of the table.
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Good win and a great atmosphere.
We should have put some of the chances away and some of the final balls were pretty poor at times. I have been frustrated with McGinn but he lasted a full 90 minutes and won so many balls, especially if he himself lost it.
Tuanzebe is improving now he's in the centre, but loses out in the air a bit too often. Still not sure about Bolasie.
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There was a noticeable buzz before the game today.
I had that buzz too. I haven't felt that in a long old time.
Early stages, but very promising signs today. I thought we'd pressed them hard and as often as we could. We were trying to pop the ball around quicker too.
Fair play, John McGinn won so many tackles in midfield and set us up countless times by harrying, chasing and sticking his foot in.
How refreshing to see us making subs that stuck to our gameplan and didn't just involve bringing on every defensive player available whilst retreating towards the North Stand car park.
My lad loved it today. All he's known is us being shite. I'm hopeful we're turning a corner. Everything is changing.
Viva la revolution.
I often wish that we had a thumbs up/liked feature on H&V. Agree with everything here and pleased that your lad will get some encouragement at last.
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Albert 5 - lacked any dynamism in his performance for me when you see what we have waiting in the wings to replace him
I can not agree with that. I thought today Albert had his best game of the season so far. He worked very hard and was lively all the way through.
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Kodjia and Bolaise are two lazy footballers... i can’t imagine that will last too long, via one route or another.
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I thought that McGinn was immense and played like a nasty little terrier in our midfield. I also think that Smith will wean us off the “pass it to Jack” style of football. We looked a better side when he went off.
I spent most of the second half waiting for Swansea to score and thankfully they didn’t. If we can learn to play a better final ball and take our chances when presented then we will be ok. Over to you Dean Smith.
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I think "Give it to Jack" was the only tactic Bruce knew.
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
Yes but he needs to learn a few football phrases otherwise he will never survive these tough situations called post match interviews.
Yes,fine about setting traps,overloads and second phase delivery but doesn't he know it's the Championship.
Good to see how much better our movement off the ball was,especially in the first half when Barney got the ball off the defence and then found Jack in space whose pass nearly put Tammy in on goal.Likewise in the second,Hutton, instead of belting the ball down the line,played it into midfield and several passes later it ended with ,I think,Albert putting it the wrong side of the post.
Back to the training ground and the highly coachable players,more new buzz words.I bet the players are shocked.
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Tammy and Bjorn were my picks,and a mention for Neil Taylor.
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I think "Give it to Jack" was the only tactic Bruce knew.
Yes but for me it was over when he kept shouting that even if Jack was off the field.
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At the final whistle I watched Tammy fall to his knees, slam the turf a couple of times, and then double fist pump towards the heavens, and he was last off the pitch applauding the fans.
It was a good effort at making it look like you give a shit who you play for when you're shunted out on loan again, fair play to the lad.
Carlton Cole he aint.
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Tammy was really beating himself up about missing those chances too.
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I often wish that we had a thumbs up/liked feature on H&V.
It was to be introduced on here but then somebody mentioned Damo.
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I often wish that we had a thumbs up/liked feature on H&V.
It was to be introduced on here but then somebody mentioned Damo.
The Keith Lard of H&V.
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I am pleased that Tammy was "beating" himself over missed opportunities as he certainly was very wasteful. Other than the two misses in the second half he had 2 or 3 nearly chances in the first half as well. Also a couple of times a better pass from him would have resulted in a goal.
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Forgot Abraham actually played for Swansea, law of the ex and all that.
The 11 wasn't that much different to what SB was selecting, AEM still playing in midfield, just one out and out wide player so just interesting if we were on the front foot much more today in terms of tempo and pace?
Good win anyway against a team that recently drew 0-0 at Boro and won 2-1 at Sheff United, the current top 2.
I think for the first time down here we're really seeing how competitive this division can be. A 7 point gap between 1st to us in the bottom half is quite incredible given we're nearly a third of the way through the season.
I'd safely say it will be less points to get promoted in 2nd this season than last given how bunched up everyone is. Key now we can string a few wins together as that will do wonders for our prospects before the tough December run.
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Forgot Abraham actually played for Swansea, law of the ex and all that.
The 11 wasn't that much different to what SB was selecting, AEM still playing in midfield, just one out and out wide player so just interesting if we were on the front foot much more today in terms of tempo and pace?
Good win anyway against a team that recently drew 0-0 at Boro and won 2-1 at Sheff United, the current top 2.
I think for the first time down here we're really seeing how competitive this division can be. A 7 point gap between 1st to us in the bottom half is quite incredible given we're nearly a third of the way through the season.
I'd safely say it will be less points to get promoted in 2nd this season than last given how bunched up everyone is. Key now we can string a few wins together as that will do wonders for our prospects before the tough December run.
We'll be fully cooking on gas come December, those supposedly tricky teams will be lining up to take the beatings we will hand out.
And they will be grateful for it.
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I was very pleased with the subtle improvement today, the atmosphere, positivity and the after taste the victory left must have left every Villa fan hungry for more servings.
The negatives
Movement in the middle third is a problem, but it's not going to come over night.
Last 10 we looked a wee bit tired.
The positives
The transition in the final third was a lot quicker; generally the build up play from the back was usual speed, but we seemed quicker to commit men forward and move the game on.
Creating a number of chances; we have in the past dominated games, especially second halves, but seem to operate against a bow shaped force field around the opposition box. We therefore have more huffed and puffed without ever really creating clear cut chances.
Today I felt we created several clear cut chances, 3 absolute gilt edged sitters. That's very pleasing against a decent Swansea side.
We came out 2nd half on the front foot.
We made positive changes
We kept a clean sheet
Nyland made two excellent saves.
All in all, very positive. Swansea came into it more when they brought the sub winger on and had the right footer swap on to the left where he cut inside the space between Hutton and the centre half more. But we limited them to a few chances and created far more clear cut ones ourselves.
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41326. What a crowd.
41,336 was even better ;)
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One thing puzzles me we were sold out and previous seasons in Premier League sold out was around 42,500 so what's happened?
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One thing puzzles me we were sold out and previous seasons in Premier League sold out was around 42,500 so what's happened?
Some seats in the away end were kept empty for segregation, maybe that's part of it?
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Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
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Probably for the best too - one Swansea fan got kicked out (and possibly arrested) for throwing racist slurs at our fans
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Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
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Probably for the best too - one Swansea fan got kicked out (and possibly arrested) for throwing racist slurs at our fans
As soon as they arrived some of them were singing about how Birmingham was a sh1thole and they wanted to go home. Well, nobody is forcing you to stay, lads.
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cheeky fuggers richard e swansea is labelled the graveyard of ambition in wales
a bit retarded our west walien cousins to say the least
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One thing puzzles me we were sold out and previous seasons in Premier League sold out was around 42,500 so what's happened?
We give less tickets to away fans but they have the same section. And most likely the corporate tickets/boxes weren't sold out.
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Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
I can't see how anyone can criticise a few empty seats with a crowd bigger than Chelsea v Man Utd by nearly 1,000 fans....
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That corner between the Away fans and lower north stand isn't used anymore so that must be a good 500 seats or so.
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40000...3 points and a bit of structure to the team. That will do for me every week thank you very much.
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I was very pleased with the subtle improvement today, the atmosphere, positivity and the after taste the victory left must have left every Villa fan hungry for more servings.
The negatives
Movement in the middle third is a problem, but it's not going to come over night.
Last 10 we looked a wee bit tired.
The positives
The transition in the final third was a lot quicker; generally the build up play from the back was usual speed, but we seemed quicker to commit men forward and move the game on.
Creating a number of chances; we have in the past dominated games, especially second halves, but seem to operate against a bow shaped force field around the opposition box. We therefore have more huffed and puffed without ever really creating clear cut chances.
Today I felt we created several clear cut chances, 3 absolute gilt edged sitters. That's very pleasing against a decent Swansea side.
We came out 2nd half on the front foot.
We made positive changes
We kept a clean sheet
Nyland made two excellent saves.
All in all, very positive. Swansea came into it more when they brought the sub winger on and had the right footer swap on to the left where he cut inside the space between Hutton and the centre half more. But we limited them to a few chances and created far more clear cut ones ourselves.
Agree with the bit in bold Ads. I do think Abraham got a bit isolated at times and I think one of things the new management team have got to work on is getting someone a bit closer to him.
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Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
I can't see how anyone can criticise a few empty seats with a crowd bigger than Chelsea v Man Utd by nearly 1,000 fans....
I’m not criticising
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One thing puzzles me we were sold out and previous seasons in Premier League sold out was around 42,500 so what's happened?
We give less tickets to away fans but they have the same section. And most likely the corporate tickets/boxes weren't sold out.
I think you are right the Corporate tickets is the gap. Attendance in boxes and hospitality areas is not as high as when we were in PL and probably easily accounts for about 1000 “missing” from overall ground capacity of 42785.
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on the outside looking in over 40,000 is a great crowd
is that a record in the championship ?
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Newcastle.
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Somebody on the match thread said Deano doesn’t have a magic wand to make the team click straight. But we saw progress today no doubt..
In Bruce’s defence, he actually did have a magic wand. He waved it and new signings turned to shit straight away.
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Very pleased with the win. Deano hasnt had long to work with the team, but saw some pleasing differences today. We pressed higher up the pitch for starters taking the pressure off the back 4. Chester was very vocal today and Hutton was also, perhaps Terry already having an influence resulting in a clean sheet. I believe it still has to click for Jack this season and for me the jury is out on Bolasie. McGinn defo motm and after a nervy start Nyland impressed. There's much still to do for Deano but the positivity amongst the fans was generally reflected on the pitch UTV!
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
Yes but he needs to learn a few football phrases otherwise he will never survive these tough situations called post match interviews.
Pundits will start to realise he’s not a ‘proper football man’ if he doesn’t.
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on the outside looking in over 40,000 is a great crowd
is that a record in the championship ?
Nope, but we hold the record for the second tier (outside play-off finals). 62,000 I think.
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on the outside looking in over 40,000 is a great crowd
is that a record in the championship ?
Nope, but we hold the record for the second tier (outside play-off finals). 62,000 I think.
Sunderland, April 1975 was 57,266. Don't know of any higher than that but happy to be corrected.
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A quick check and 68,029 v Coventry in 1937. Which I believe is the record for a normal league game in the second tier.
Those 2 years we were in division 2 36/37 and 37/38 we also had 63,686 v Cov and 65,500 v Newcastle in 36/37 60,166 v Spurs in 37/38. Plus a number of 50K+.
And in the FA Cup we had 75,540 for Man City in the FA Cup 6th round, 63,530 v Charlton 5th round replay and 69,208 for Blackpool in the 4th round. All 1937/38.
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on the outside looking in over 40,000 is a great crowd
is that a record in the championship ?
Nope, but we hold the record for the second tier (outside play-off finals). 62,000 I think.
Sunderland, April 1975 was 57,266. Don't know of any higher than that but happy to be corrected.
Actually I do now. 1937-38 (30/10/1937) Coventry City 67,271
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Somebody on the match thread said Deano doesn’t have a magic wand to make the team click straight. But we saw progress today no doubt..
Agree with that Tony. He's got to find which players fit the system and style he wants to play and that is going to take a bit of time.
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sorry lads not being too pedantic here but i meant the championship
in the olden days football crowds were alot different . most crowds were standing
think our record attendance was 58,000 back in the 50's for example
just looked on google your record attendance was 76,000 in the 40's but i guess that was division 1 back then !
where did they all fit in at villa park -lol
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76,588 v Derby (FA Cup) 1946.
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Albert 5 - lacked any dynamism in his performance for me when you see what we have waiting in the wings to replace him
I can not agree with that. I thought today Albert had his best game of the season so far. He worked very hard and was lively all the way through.
Totally agree Aftab, his best performance this season
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Big 3 points and rare for us to get a new manager bounce in the first game.
Some positive signs and enjoyed seeing us press high up the pitch. I think he will work on our fitness as we visibly tire towards the end of every game.
Shit atmosphere apart from the start and for the goal, but it nearly always is down the Villa these days. Great attendance though, two good results away from home next week should hopefully see 35k+ against Bolton which would be a great crowd for a Friday night game.
Can't wait to see how he sets us up away from home. Exciting times.
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Big 3 points and rare for us to get a new manager bounce in the first game.
Some positive signs and enjoyed seeing us press high up the pitch. I think he will work on our fitness as we visibly tire towards the end of every game.
Shit atmosphere apart from the start and for the goal, but it nearly always is down the Villa these days. Great attendance though, two good results away from home next week should hopefully see 35k+ against Bolton which would be a great crowd for a Friday night game.
Can't wait to see how he sets us up away from home. Exciting times.
You certainly seem to revel in slagging off our support. You must be loving this - 42,000 people to criticise today. Was the singing poor again? Did you sing? Have you joined a choir yet?
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Couldn’t agree with Deano’s post match analysis more. Solid first half, tired second...a great 3 pts either way.
Some ratings on the starting 11...
Nyland - 7.5 gave away a sloppy corner otherwise this could have been an 8. I think he’ll always make me nervous on the ball but shot stopping is up there with Bozzie
Hutton 6 - industrious but I’d love to see us bring in some more quality on the ball in this area
Tuanzebe 7 - didn’t notice him too much but probably the mark of a competent performance.
Chester 9 - rock solid today. Always in the right place and totally assured with the ball at his feet. Think this performance will have impressed Smith.
Taylor 7 - worked hard, few mistakes. No complaints
BB 8 - tidied up a lot of lose balls very effectively. Benefited from their forward line having a terrible first touch. Apart from one misplaced pass where he tried to be clever he kept things simple and gave a composed performance.
McGinn 8 - end product wasn’t always on point but tenacious presence in the midfield. Started a lot of our good work going forward and was determined to never lose the ball.
Grealish 7 - still fail to see how he would have any impact at Spurs with his performances for us this season. Still an effective no.10 performance for a Championship side.
Elmo 7 - good first half and did well for the goal. Fairy anonymous second.
Albert 5 - lacked any dynamism in his performance for me when you see what we have waiting in the wings to replace him
Tammy 7 - took his goal well, but very sloppy with his ball distribution. Looks a handful for defenders
thanks Alan- I didn’t see the match, but that seems a good summary from a supporter’s view. Sounds like it was pretty close but we edged it, when usually it would be a draw. Have we turned a corner?
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sorry lads not being too pedantic here but i meant the championship
in the olden days football crowds were alot different . most crowds were standing
think our record attendance was 58,000 back in the 50's for example
just looked on google your record attendance was 76,000 in the 40's but i guess that was division 1 back then !
where did they all fit in at villa park -lol
villa’s funny - most week’s we’re guaranteed 36k, then something happens, or a significant match, or whatever, and if VP held 70,000 it would sell out. Maybe that’s where our ‘fickle’ tag comes from?
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Big 3 points and rare for us to get a new manager bounce in the first game.
Some positive signs and enjoyed seeing us press high up the pitch. I think he will work on our fitness as we visibly tire towards the end of every game.
Shit atmosphere apart from the start and for the goal, but it nearly always is down the Villa these days. Great attendance though, two good results away from home next week should hopefully see 35k+ against Bolton which would be a great crowd for a Friday night game.
Can't wait to see how he sets us up away from home. Exciting times.
You certainly seem to revel in slagging off our support. You must be loving this - 42,000 people to criticise today. Was the singing poor again? Did you sing? Have you joined a choir yet?
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Big 3 points and rare for us to get a new manager bounce in the first game.
Some positive signs and enjoyed seeing us press high up the pitch. I think he will work on our fitness as we visibly tire towards the end of every game.
Shit atmosphere apart from the start and for the goal, but it nearly always is down the Villa these days. Great attendance though, two good results away from home next week should hopefully see 35k+ against Bolton which would be a great crowd for a Friday night game.
Can't wait to see how he sets us up away from home. Exciting times.
Deaf FUCKER...Get a Life.....
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I wasn't at the game itself, but on avtv it sounded a decent atmosphere, and friends and family (including my mum, who hasn't been since about 2004!) who went, confirmed this.
When you say the atmosphere was shit, Quinton, what do you actually mean? And on the other side of things, what, for you, would a great atmosphere be like?
Me personally, I'd like to see everyone in the crowd wearing a horse mask, the Jurassic Park theme tune replacing 'Don't Look Back in Anger', and the referee riding an ostrich around the pitch. But I don't think I'm ever going to get my wish.
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Yes may be but we had segregation in PL as well?
I was in A4 in the Trinity and I could see pockets of empty seats in the lower North Stand and in the far side of the lower Holte, the left side as was.
Still a marvellous crowd.
the left side as was! THE LEFT SIDE!!!!
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cheeky fuggers richard e swansea is labelled the graveyard of ambition in wales
a bit retarded our west walien cousins to say the least
both great places to visit though.
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I wasn't at the game itself, but on avtv it sounded a decent atmosphere, and friends and family (including my mum, who hasn't been since about 2004!) who went, confirmed this.
When you say the atmosphere was shit, Quinton, what do you actually mean? And on the other side of things, what, for you, would a great atmosphere be like?
Anything less than Dortmund's Yellow Wall is simply shit.
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Big 3 points and rare for us to get a new manager bounce in the first game.
Some positive signs and enjoyed seeing us press high up the pitch. I think he will work on our fitness as we visibly tire towards the end of every game.
Shit atmosphere apart from the start and for the goal, but it nearly always is down the Villa these days. Great attendance though, two good results away from home next week should hopefully see 35k+ against Bolton which would be a great crowd for a Friday night game.
Can't wait to see how he sets us up away from home. Exciting times.
You certainly seem to revel in slagging off our support. You must be loving this - 42,000 people to criticise today. Was the singing poor again? Did you sing? Have you joined a choir yet?
It's probably best to ignore the daft Leeds twat.
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Why bother?
If you’re from Birmingham and support Leeds, really, why bother?
I fucking hate Leeds, by the way.
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I wasn't at the game itself, but on avtv it sounded a decent atmosphere, and friends and family (including my mum, who hasn't been since about 2004!) who went, confirmed this.
When you say the atmosphere was shit, Quinton, what do you actually mean? And on the other side of things, what, for you, would a great atmosphere be like?
Anything less than Dortmund's Yellow Wall is simply shit.
Haha. I was in it for the Germany Poland World Cup game in 2006, and although great, it was no Holte End in full voice. But I get your point!
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Good to great performances by Chester Barney SJM Nyland Abraham, thought Tuzanbee was promising.
We created enough to win by more and messed up the final pass too many times.
We looked like we had been actually coached and were trying to play to a pattern and shape.
It felt like a very important day for Aston Villa in so many ways.
The most important thing is our new manager got the win.
UTV.
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Who'd have thought that pressing with a front three, making attacking subs, setting traps in midfield and playing on the front foot to see our a lead, would all work against championship quality teams?
Also thought that our patient play in defence brought Swansea out a bit and allowed us to create space
Loads more to work on. Some of the passing was sloppy. And thereell be games where teams sit in and play long and those tactics won't work. But I really enjoyed it
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What happened to James Bree? By all accounts our best player at Millwall. Not even on the bench, yet Whelan was? I'd like to see Callum O'Hare on the bench instead of Whelan.
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We did not have a best player at Millwall. We had a troupe of auditioners for Santa's grotto.
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Not perfect by any stretch, but we won and looked more like a team than we have all season. If he gets that out of them after a few days I am very hopeful for the rest of the season. Think Swansea will be top 6 too, so given the amount of absolute sitters we missed, it was a good win. Amazing turnout too, underlines the potential of the club.
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I must admit I didn't think it was a great atmosphere considering the size of the crowd. I think a lot of people were waiting for the equaliser and there was a lot of nerves around. This is splitting hairs though, great turnout, folks voting with their feet in support of the new management. Long may it continue.
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Clearly no room for old legs now even though Whelan and Jedi were on the bench
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Forgot Abraham actually played for Swansea, law of the ex and all that.
The 11 wasn't that much different to what SB was selecting, AEM still playing in midfield, just one out and out wide player so just interesting if we were on the front foot much more today in terms of tempo and pace?
Good win anyway against a team that recently drew 0-0 at Boro and won 2-1 at Sheff United, the current top 2.
I think for the first time down here we're really seeing how competitive this division can be. A 7 point gap between 1st to us in the bottom half is quite incredible given we're nearly a third of the way through the season.
I'd safely say it will be less points to get promoted in 2nd this season than last given how bunched up everyone is. Key now we can string a few wins together as that will do wonders for our prospects before the tough December run.
We'll be fully cooking on gas come December, those supposedly tricky teams will be lining up to take the beatings we will hand out.
And they will be grateful for it.
Steady on
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A good start for Smith and a welcome three points, even if we made hard work of it but don't we always?
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sorry lads not being too pedantic here but i meant the championship
in the olden days football crowds were alot different . most crowds were standing
think our record attendance was 58,000 back in the 50's for example
just looked on google your record attendance was 76,000 in the 40's but i guess that was division 1 back then !
where did they all fit in at villa park -lol
The old Holte End terrace held over 28,000 alone. And there would have been probably 30,000 in there for the record gate v Derby.
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For everyone digging me out about my comments about the atmosphere, have a gander on Twitter and you'll find most Villa fans saying the same thing. I thought for a sell out it was very subdued and quiet for long spells. Maybe it's what football is like these days? Maybe we've been used to being shit and everyone was expecting an equaliser? The upper Holte and lower North have a go but that's it.
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fuck me - only Villa could out sell Chavski v Yanited and still moan about the atmosphere.
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fuck me - only Villa could out sell Chavski v Yanited and still moan about the atmosphere.
Let’s face it we only outsold them because our ground is bigger. If Chelsea had a bigger ground then they’d comfortably outsell us.
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yes but they haven't ! All I'm saying is let's jenjoy the win in front of a big crowd on Dean's debut - Terry's twitter whatevers certainly were.
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There was an edgy feel to the atmosphere yesterday.
We were all desperate for a winning start and that was clearly evident in the crowd at times.
A second goal early on and i think the roof would have blown off the Holte End with the relief.
In all honesty i think we are used to having the mindset that once we go one up, we are then waiting for the inevitable to happen.
Anyway onwards and upwards now, inpressed with the high pressing game especially the pressure put on when the oppossing keeper wanted to play out short from the back.
It's a new dawn....
UTV!
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For everyone digging me out about my comments about the atmosphere, have a gander on Twitter and you'll find most Villa fans saying the same thing. I thought for a sell out it was very subdued and quiet for long spells. Maybe it's what football is like these days? Maybe we've been used to being shit and everyone was expecting an equaliser? The upper Holte and lower North have a go but that's it.
That's the case with any football ground anywhere. What I do think is lacking is some new songs. "Paul McGrath my lord" etc gets a bit boring. The guy with the airhorn in the 80s an 90s did a good job but I guess they're banned now?
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fuck me - only Villa could out sell Chavski v Yanited and still moan about the atmosphere.
Let’s face it we only outsold them because our ground is bigger. If Chelsea had a bigger ground then they’d comfortably outsell us.
Feck Chelsea
This is the championship and i'd love to see their attendances if they ever went down a division.
Now would't that be nice......
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the reception for Smith was good but the atmosphere for the match was a normal match day stuff
I thought the remembering of Doug Ellis might have dampened things down a bit which was quite understandable
i have been to Villa park when it is absolutely jumping and yesterday was not one of those days
it doesn't bother me either way really, I enjoyed the game my first this season with my young lad
the biggest difference for me was the playing it out from the back, we were trying to do it as much as we could which is definitely a Smith thing
I thought the back 4 were solid yesterday, all of them had good games defending wise
but they probably aren't the greatest passers of the ball especially Tuanzebe but at least we were trying
we might have to persevere as fans as I think we could get ourselves tied in knots at times as we adapt to the new styles
I'm not complaining, I'm all for it, but I'm not sure we have the players in some areas to adapt very quickly
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I was in A8 in front of two pissheads who somehow had responsibility for some young kids and spent most of the game at the bar. They kept trying to start chants (one went 'Terry and Smith' to the tune of The Addams Family) but annoying as they were, one drunken one has had me laughing still simply because it was so boneheaded in its specifics:
M54
M54
Why don't you do one?
M54
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Re the atmosphere, I said to my dad on about 60 minutes if we get a second goal the place will be absolutely jumping. As it was there was a bit of aprehension in the air as Swansea pushed on, all in all though I thought it was decent.
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Re the atmosphere, I said to my dad on about 60 minutes if we get a second goal the place will be absolutely jumping. As it was there was a bit of aprehension in the air as Swansea pushed on, all in all though I thought it was decent.
Yeah, agree with this. It sounded great for the first and last ten minutes, but it felt a bit subdued in between – there were times when all you could hear was the sound of thousands of people talking, like a background noise. Probably the sound of 41,000 people saying 'this passing lark looks half decent'.
Few more small observations.
I specifically went in earlier than normal to watch the warm up for any noticeable changes. In the shuttle runs, all the players did the full distance under the watchful eye of the fitness coach – rather than half-arsed jog somewhere near it. And in the five-a-side, there was a noticeable swarm on whichever player had the ball – three players at least doing the closing; it was noticeable a few times in the game that anybody who'd closed down on their own would then berate the players around them if they hadn't followed. Thought this showed what Smith is trying to do with a leadership group.
We actually showed some ball management after the ref's whistle. It boils my piss that every other team knows to pick the ball up and walk off with it when they've conceded a foul, or kick it away to a teammate. Yesterday was the first time I've seen us do it.
We were switched on at throw-ins. Quite a few quick ones to retain possession, and even some movement for the others. It could catch on.
The quick press on the opposition when they first receive the ball was noticeable too. I listened to one of the Barcelona Legacy podcasts recently, where they said how Cruyff as a manager always said that the first five seconds a player has the ball is when he's most vulnerable; and how Guardiola tightened that up to three seconds. Definitely felt like Smith had tried to implement the same approach.
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For everyone digging me out about my comments about the atmosphere, have a gander on Twitter and you'll find most Villa fans saying the same thing. I thought for a sell out it was very subdued and quiet for long spells. Maybe it's what football is like these days? Maybe we've been used to being shit and everyone was expecting an equaliser? The upper Holte and lower North have a go but that's it.
I thought the fans were patient, respectful and considerate. It was first game under new head coach there was no need to go gung ho. The team needed a win and fans just needed to see that through against a very good team.
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A manager who plays players in their correct positions, some tactical nous, high pressing fast football...…….sorry, it'll never catch on......SMITH OUT...…..Lol!!!!!
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For everyone digging me out about my comments about the atmosphere, have a gander on Twitter and you'll find most Villa fans saying the same thing. I thought for a sell out it was very subdued and quiet for long spells. Maybe it's what football is like these days? Maybe we've been used to being shit and everyone was expecting an equaliser? The upper Holte and lower North have a go but that's it.
Maybe you and all these likeminded fans on Twitter should get together and do something constructive about it then, sing louder, maybe print out a songsheet or bring a banjo. I haven't had a gander on there, only on here, and here you are moaning about the crowd, again, as you always do.
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For everyone digging me out about my comments about the atmosphere, have a gander on Twitter and you'll find most Villa fans saying the same thing. I thought for a sell out it was very subdued and quiet for long spells. Maybe it's what football is like these days? Maybe we've been used to being shit and everyone was expecting an equaliser? The upper Holte and lower North have a go but that's it.
I think people are 'digging you out' because you tend to whinge about it after every home game and it's a bit tiresome.
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sorry lads not being too pedantic here but i meant the championship
in the olden days football crowds were alot different . most crowds were standing
think our record attendance was 58,000 back in the 50's for example
just looked on google your record attendance was 76,000 in the 40's but i guess that was division 1 back then !
where did they all fit in at villa park -lol
I'll repeat again, Newcastle last season!
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I think we can conveniently try to ignore the fact that Newcastle had 50K plus regularly in their season down here.
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sorry lads not being too pedantic here but i meant the championship
in the olden days football crowds were alot different . most crowds were standing
think our record attendance was 58,000 back in the 50's for example
just looked on google your record attendance was 76,000 in the 40's but i guess that was division 1 back then !
where did they all fit in at villa park -lol
I'll repeat again, Newcastle last season!
Newcastle weren't in the championship last season.
*wink*
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A school boy error made by Head Quarters. We expect better.
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Geordies aren't cultured enough to appreciate anything other than football. A lot of our lot spend VP Saturdays at the Symphony Hall...
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I wonder if the Geordies will average 50k in the Championship next season?
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Smith’s post match interview included meaningful tactical analysis and gave the impression he’d actually been at the game. It’ll never catch on.
I was well impressed - and that they'd only worked on not having the ball in training as he saw that as the biggest area for concern - he was right. When they actually get somw coaching WITH the ball - wow. Can't wait for a few weeks time when they'll be playing the way he wants. Cracking stuff.
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I wonder if the Geordies will average 50k in the Championship next season?
They might do the same as the Blackpool fans and stay away in protest of the owner. Ironically they could spend the time taking trips to Blackpool.
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Great day out good win and clean sheet I thought Nyland made some brilliant saves happy days and the feel good factor is back at Villa Park long may it continue.
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Just watched the highlights again and it really does show how we should have been a mile ahead of Swansea long before it got nervy at the end. Tammy should have had a hattrick and there were a number of good chances for Albert and Jack. We ran out of steam at around the 80th minute but we kept at it. The whole thing was hugely encouraging.
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Geordies aren't cultured enough to appreciate anything other than football. A lot of our lot spend VP Saturdays at the Symphony Hall...
Or our weekend homes in mid Wales according to Sty dwellers.
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Geordies aren't cultured enough to appreciate anything other than football. A lot of our lot spend VP Saturdays at the Symphony Hall...
Or our weekend homes in mid Wales according to Sty dwellers.
Ahem, our caravans in Wem.
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Small improvements yesterday and three points. If we can keep that up that'll do for me
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Just watched the highlights again and it really does show how we should have been a mile ahead of Swansea long before it got nervy at the end. Tammy should have had a hattrick and there were a number of good chances for Albert and Jack. We ran out of steam at around the 80th minute but we kept at it. The whole thing was hugely encouraging.
A lot has been made of Swansea chances but if we had turned our first half total domination into goals Swansea would have gone in about 3-0 down an totally demoralised. In the first half they offered nothing other than the one save from Nyland in the 40th minute. It was the 1-0 scoreline that offered them encouragement to keep going. Swansea are a good team much much better than Preston and Millwall our last two opponents.
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Nyland was better yesterday, but performed at a level that I would hope a keeper at that level would do. He made competent saves, but he was still pushing the ball back into the danger area rather than away to the sides. Also, the last 'save' that some were crediting him with, was Taylor's block.
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Just watched the highlights again and it really does show how we should have been a mile ahead of Swansea long before it got nervy at the end. Tammy should have had a hattrick and there were a number of good chances for Albert and Jack. We ran out of steam at around the 80th minute but we kept at it. The whole thing was hugely encouraging.
A lot has been made of Swansea chances but if we had turned our first half total domination into goals Swansea would have gone in about 3-0 down an totally demoralised. In the first half they offered nothing other than the one save from Nyland in the 40th minute. It was the 1-0 scoreline that offered them encouragement to keep going. Swansea are a good team much much better than Preston and Millwall our last two opponents.
No doubt. We completely dominated the game and their first real chance of note was just before HT. But yes by then they should have been buried. The encouraging bit is the fact we created so many good chances. Our forwards and midfielders won’t be that wasteful in the future. For me, what I am looking forward to is now every game the coaching give us a chance to score multiple times. That with greater defensive discipline will give us a better than even chance to win every game.
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I was unhappy with the line up with Albert, Taylor and Elmo in there, but fair play, well done on the result and clean sheet. One of the posters said the players will get blamed for not playing for Bruce? I think they were confused and disorganised with him in charge. Under Smith, this won't be the case and therefore, I was completely wrong about the line up and with more consistency, Taylor and Albert may come back to some sort of form. Clean sheets need to become the norm. It's so tight in the top half of the table.
I made ththink Bruce comment - but more in jest as to what our improved performance would be put down to by some of the uninformed media.
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If we want to play 'energy' football, we could probably do with Elmo at right-back. We need a progressive left-back, and JM will need some help in the middle -a chance for O'Hare, perhaps?
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Some really good observations on the game:
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