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Title: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/10/club-statement-triple-appointment

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Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the appointments of Dean Smith as our new Head Coach, John Terry as Assistant Coach and Jesus Garcia Pitarch as Sporting Director.

Smith, a lifelong Villa fan, is known for his exciting and attractive brand of football which he implemented in his previous posts at both Brentford and Walsall.

Terry spent the final year of his illustrious playing career at Villa Park as he captained the club to the play-off final last season and brings a wealth of experience with him to his new role from his time as skipper of both Chelsea and England.

And Pitarach has occupied Director of Football roles at both Valencia and Atletico Madrid in his native Spain.

During his time at Valencia, the club won the La Liga title and UEFA Cup and Atletico lifted the Europa League and the European Super Cup during his tenure.

CEO Christian Purslow said: “These three appointments represent the start of a new era and direction at Aston Villa and we are delighted to secure their services after an extensive search.

“Dean has a clear and successful coaching philosophy as well as a real understanding of Aston Villa Football Club. He is also knowledgeable about the Championship.

“The board welcomes him to the club and is looking forward to working with him and his staff.

“John is one of the most decorated players in English football, has an affinity with the club and is ready to make the next step in his career working alongside Dean.

“And Jesus also brings a huge amount of experience in his particular role having worked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. He will ensure the club has an integrated approach running from the academy through the U23s and into the first-team.”
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 10, 2018, 10:03:51 PM
And it’s official!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2018, 10:04:39 PM
Fucking hell!

Welcome all!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 10, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
Wow, that was quick! I bet he couldn't resist. Go for it Deano, this is your big chance.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: HK Villan on October 10, 2018, 10:06:26 PM
Splendid news!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jcsutv on October 10, 2018, 10:06:43 PM
Can't wait for Jesus to meet God in the holy trinity.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 10, 2018, 10:06:54 PM
He is the right man at the right time. Not the glitz and glam of an Henry but exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 10, 2018, 10:07:00 PM
Welcome on board, chuffed for him. Let the good times roll.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 10, 2018, 10:07:03 PM
Head Coach and not manager.  Is that a first for the Villa?

Welcome and I hope this new approach is a success for everyone.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:07:12 PM
All the best to the new guys. Make us proud.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 10, 2018, 10:07:31 PM
Brilliant news! JT coming home as well....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 10, 2018, 10:07:41 PM
Great stuff! Go on then Deano, make yourself a Villa legend.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 10, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
smith out !!!! first …. welcome back
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Have to say that while it’s always exciting to be linked with “names” like Henry, I’m really pleased it’s Smith. I think he’s going to be our Dyche or Howe.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 10, 2018, 10:08:19 PM
Happy with this but hope Smith wanted Terry rather than him being foisted upon him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 10, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
JT coming home as well....

Eugh.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 10, 2018, 10:09:43 PM
Yes yes yes yes yes

Villa are back !!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tucson Villain on October 10, 2018, 10:09:58 PM
I think it is a good appointment. Onward and upward.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 10, 2018, 10:10:00 PM
Happy enough with this.

One word of caution, Dean is a bit of a slow burner. Takes a while for his methods to really click into place at Walsall and Brentford. Yes better players here but they need to be organised and coached. He will do that but needs time.

I think our rest of the season will probably be similar to when SB came in. Next season is when I really expect us to look good providing FFP dosen't cripple us.

I would imagine Richard O'Kelly will be coming in to join the staff. Dean's number 2 at Walsall and Brentford. Used to manage Hereford.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 10, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
At fucking last. UTV!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on October 10, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
Welcome all!! Come on villa
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on October 10, 2018, 10:11:08 PM
Bloody fantastic news ! Good luck Deano and JT - UTV!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 10, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
Triple signing and at last a shape is coming together.  Well done to Christian Purslow for dumping Steve Bruce, not playing all of this out in the media and going in for Smith and Terry quickly and effectively.  Top class, professional. Will be interesting to see who else they bring in with them but we have a Manager who wants to play proper football, has an Assistant who is utterly respected and we have a Sporting Director with a great pedigree.  I'm glad we have had games moved for telly now.  Swift, decisive, meaningful.  Excellent.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
I'm a lot more in favour of this then I am some of the options, but he wouldn't have been my top choice.

Still, let's see what he can do. Hopefully we can play some decent stuff. Should add a few thousand to the Abertawe gate too!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: serbentoflight on October 10, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Smith out!!! 😉
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on October 10, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Crivens, I wasn't expecting such a statement at this time of night!

I'm excited by the appointments, so welcome one & all. May you sort out this fecking shambles & bring organisation, excitement and success to Aston Villa. :)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
Happy enough but we need patience and to be realistic. It will probably take 3 years to be champions of England, and another couple to start winning the European Cup on a regular basis. At least we've wrapped up the division 2 title and FA Cup this season now though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 10, 2018, 10:14:14 PM
Bloody hell !
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 10, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
Social media ruins all the fun.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 10, 2018, 10:14:32 PM
I like that he's head coach and therefore will be on the training ground rather than sending his unskilled lackeys to do his job.

He's done well so far, let's hope he can grow more and into our club. He knows what it means, hell get full support from the fans.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 10, 2018, 10:14:38 PM
Welcome to all well happy
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on October 10, 2018, 10:14:45 PM
Excellent decision! Dean Smith was the best option out of all the contenders particularly those with no management experience at all. Looking forward to seeing some attractive attacking football and Terry helping sure things up at the back.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on October 10, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
Great news. I was seduced by the idea of Henry but this is a much more sensible option.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
Fucking superb news. Just superb. Welcome Dean
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 10, 2018, 10:16:26 PM
Delighted.

He's going to get some serious support at Villa Park.
Let's get after it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VancouverLion on October 10, 2018, 10:16:27 PM
YES!! excellent news, well happy with this  ;D
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 10, 2018, 10:16:43 PM
Smith and Terry now this makes sense rather than Henry and Terry. Delighted.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Gary Penrice on October 10, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
Welcome home Deano!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 10, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
Right let’s sell out the ground next week and get behind him and the team. Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 10, 2018, 10:17:56 PM
JT coming home as well....

Eugh.


? Odd reaction....you obviously missed JT's influence on the club last season, especially the defence and Jack...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 10, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
Thank goodness that's sorted!

Gives us a bit of time before the Swansea game.

Welcome back Dean and John!

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 10, 2018, 10:18:41 PM
Brilliant news.
I love the way the club just works away in the background and ignores all the shit going on in the media. This has obviously been going on for a few days and they have just quietly gone on about their business.

Welcome home Dean.
Welcome back JT
Welcome Jesús

HERE WE GO.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 10, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
Brill E Ant
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on October 10, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
Very pleased with the way it has turned out.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: walsall villain on October 10, 2018, 10:19:24 PM
Really hope he can get us playing in the very positive way Brentford do. Exciting news.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 10, 2018, 10:19:35 PM
Smith out!!! 😉

I love you too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: wozwebs on October 10, 2018, 10:20:09 PM
Absolutely delighted with this. Positive news for once. Let’s all come together and get behind them all and get that promotion. Still plenty of time. Hogan will be chuffed too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2018, 10:20:14 PM
Hoping this is inspired and there won't be any new manager threads for decades to come!

Welcome, Dean.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 10, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
So he's not Manager?  This means that Pitarch will do some of the recruiting and act like a DoF?  Head Coach and Assistant sound to me like they will be out there on the training pitches, which is good.  I'd like to know more about the set up and look forward to the presser.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 10, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
I think this is a far smarter move than an inexperienced glamour name. Knows the league, knows our squad, knows our strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 10, 2018, 10:21:00 PM
I tell you what, Brentford fans are going to fucking hate us!

First Hogan and now Smith!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2018, 10:21:05 PM
Happy with this but hope Smith wanted Terry rather than him being foisted upon him.

Sorry to post this again, but the below suggests he was selected as Brentford's Head Coach because he is good at implementing other people's vision rather than having big ideas/ego himself.  Therefore I'd guess he is flexible enough to accommodate Terry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718752-brentfords-moneyball-way-to-beat-football-teams-with-huge-budgets
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:21:56 PM
I tell you what, Brentford fans are going to fucking hate us!

First Hogan and now Smith!

If Smith has the same impact as Hogan the feeling will be mutual.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 10, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
Shocked in a good way. Expected it to drag on for another fortnight and end up with Moyes.

It has a very different felling compared to previous appointments and set ups to it with these three coming in...well done Board and all involved.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 10, 2018, 10:22:12 PM
JT coming home as well....

Eugh.


? Odd reaction....you obviously missed JT's influence on the club last season, especially the defence and Jack...

He played 32 games for us in his 20 year career, and didn't move to the area in that time. He's hardly coming home.

Anyway, that's all I'll say because this all sounds like good news to me (apart from the Terry bit).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lizz on October 10, 2018, 10:22:22 PM
Onwards and upwards, good news.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 10, 2018, 10:22:38 PM
Great news can't remember the last time I was so excited about a Villa appointment, well done Nassef and Wes.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 10, 2018, 10:23:27 PM
Great stuff!
Dream team.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:24:00 PM
Villa finally arrive in the 21st century. I'm very pleased.

Patience and backing required.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 10, 2018, 10:24:26 PM
Villa finally arrive in the 21st century. I'm very pleased.

Patience and backing required.
Let the Empire building begin. Great news.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 10, 2018, 10:25:04 PM
Give me my club back Deano. Behind you 110%. UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:25:43 PM
Really goes to show how little the media knew about this. Even the local rags. We've gone about this perfectly, quietly behind the scenes. And it's entirely possible that Henry opted for Monaco having been told Smith would be manager and not him. It didn't have to be that Smith was second choice to Henry or Faria for that matter.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
Awesome news. No way Smith would have taken it on if he didn't think he could work with Terry. And Pitarch is the icing on the cake. Congrats to the new owners and best possible wishes to the new staff. UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on October 10, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
Welcome Deano- do your best. That's all we ask
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
Really goes to show how little the media knew about this. Even the local rags. We've gone about this perfectly, quietly behind the scenes. And it's entirely possible that Henry opted for Monaco having been told Smith would be manager and not him. It didn't have to be that Smith was second choice to Henry or Faria for that matter.

Agreed
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 10, 2018, 10:27:19 PM
Welcome Deano- do your best. That's all we ask

Do your best and get us promoted. Obvs
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 10, 2018, 10:27:26 PM
Quite intrigued by this - would probably have preferred a Nuno type appointment but of all the British names mentioned Smith is the best option and seems more in the mould of an Eddie Howe style than the usual British suspects. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on October 10, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
Holy shit.   My preferred combo.   
Talk about feel good factor. 
This is going to reunite the club.

Somebody needs to find the keys to upper Trinity..

Holy shit!!!!!

Villa are back....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:27:52 PM
"And Jesus also brings a huge amount of experience in his particular role having worked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. He will ensure the club has an integrated approach running from the academy through the U23s and into the first-team.”

What does that mean? Integrated? Is it witchcraft?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ger Regan on October 10, 2018, 10:28:05 PM
Happy with that. Also very happy to see sky sports news look like fucking idiots. Was watching it at around seven today and the line was "we understand that there's been no contact".
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 10, 2018, 10:28:33 PM
Blimey, they did well to keep that quiet, I'm stunned. Welcome Dean and welcome back JT.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Allan C on October 10, 2018, 10:29:05 PM
At last an inspiring set of appointments. Now is the time for patients cos this team will deliver when they’ve repaired the damage caused by the previous manager. I feel so upbeat right now
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VancouverLion on October 10, 2018, 10:29:16 PM
10 weeks ago we were thinking we could go under and the prospect of watching Bruceball for many years to come.
Now we have the third wealthiest owners in English football, Dean Smith as Head Coach with John Terry assistant and a new DOF.

Lets F*****g have it!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:29:41 PM
Cannot wait for the game against Swansea. There's plenty of time to rescue this season and play some lovely football doing it. This will be a huge boost for all of the players we have who love to get forward and score.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 10, 2018, 10:30:07 PM
Great News!
Very happy with this.
Come on Deano!!
Patience will be needed especially as bruce has left our defence in a mess. Hopefully Terry can be an influence in this area, though I feel confident Deano can coach defensively as well as encouraging attractive attacking football.
UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: London Villan on October 10, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
The one irritation is that all this could have been done as soon as the new owners took over...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
JC only turned water into wine, JGP will perform a real miracle turn Hutton into a defender

/baddumtish
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 10, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
At last an inspiring set of appointments. Now is the time for patients cos this team will deliver when they’ve repaired the damage caused by the previous manager. I feel so upbeat right now

I've been feeling a little groggy. Happy to help in any way I can!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
"And Jesus also brings a huge amount of experience in his particular role having worked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. He will ensure the club has an integrated approach running from the academy through the U23s and into the first-team.”

What does that mean? Integrated? Is it witchcraft?

Be prepared for all manner of weirdness. Passing and moving, Hogan scoring, frogs raining from the sky.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 10, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
Deano, give us a wave 👋🏻

Deano, Deano, give us a wave 👋🏻
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 10, 2018, 10:32:24 PM
Really goes to show how little the media knew about this. Even the local rags. We've gone about this perfectly, quietly behind the scenes. And it's entirely possible that Henry opted for Monaco having been told Smith would be manager and not him. It didn't have to be that Smith was second choice to Henry or Faria for that matter.
Yeah there's no way Smith was contacted today for the first time and him and Terry were all tied up in less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
"And Jesus also brings a huge amount of experience in his particular role having worked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. He will ensure the club has an integrated approach running from the academy through the U23s and into the first-team.”

What does that mean? Integrated? Is it witchcraft?

Be prepared for all manner of weirdness. Passing and moving, Hogan scoring, frogs raining from the sky.

Riss, this might be the start of something very beautiful between you and Scotty
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 10, 2018, 10:32:43 PM
Chuffed to bits, a young manager whose team play great football and has that, don't mess with me Ron dmsaunders look about him with John terry who has been nothing but class with his time with us.  Chuffed, really chuffed.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Des Little on October 10, 2018, 10:32:50 PM
Late to the thread and not read back...is Richard O’Kelly coming with him in any capacity?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2018, 10:32:54 PM
Right, next announcement... get that fucking upper tier opened for the Swansea game!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: boozey182 on October 10, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Delighted about Smith. Think he's exactly what we need and am excited about what he can do with our players.

I know nothing about Pitarch, so difficult to feel too strongly about him.

Very wary about The Number Two. I'm not sure how he's qualified for that position, and am worried that he's been forced upon Smith (although I have no idea why that would happen). Just seems very strange that he would have such a prominent role, having never worked with Smith or have any experience anywhere.

There's three big personalities that are coming together that won't know each other very well at all. It's a huge decision for the board to make, and I guess we can only trust that they've done thorough checks.

Come on Deano, let's get something going!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on October 10, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
Announcing it tonight suggests it has been in the works for a couple of days at least.

Don't think I have even wanted a Villa manager to do as well from the moment he walks in the door. I would imagine the Danish guy will step up at Brentford and O'Kelly will come to us.

Needs a keeping coach, fitness coach too. I hope Pitarch spends some time sorting the footbll structure.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on October 10, 2018, 10:34:17 PM
Late to the thread and not read back...is Richard O’Kelly coming with him in any capacity?

Brentford have said a statement on the back room staff will be made in the coming days. I hope Smith surrounds himself with his men as well as Terry.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on October 10, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
With respect to Walsall and Brentford, expectations are going to be way different at a club like ours. He's going to have to up his win rate considerably if he wants to be a success. I hope this job isn't too big for him, as it has been for a lot of others.

Good luck Dean. You'll have 35,000 of us at Villa Park, in just over a week's time, roaring you on!👍
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 10, 2018, 10:34:37 PM
if he can build something for the long term whilst playing some football worth watching he’ll do for me

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hinckley Dave on October 10, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
Very pleased with this, I like the bloke and what he's done at his previous clubs. Let's all get right behind him and together make this club proud again. Just hope the players get their arses in gear now and show some professional pride themselves. I don't blame everything this season on Bruce myself, players need to take a long hard look at themselves too. Terry as assistant, as long as it was partly Smith's idea too, I think will also work well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
I wonder if we will start playing Dexys' "Geno" again?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 10, 2018, 10:35:00 PM
32000 already sold against Swansea, get that upper tier open now and keep it open.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:35:43 PM
I know nothing about Pitarch, so difficult to feel too strongly about him.

He was very good when in charge of the Enterprise.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on October 10, 2018, 10:35:57 PM
With respect to Walsall and Brentford, expectations are going to be way different at a club like ours. He's going to have to up his win rate considerably if he wants to be a success. I hope this job isn't too big for him, as it has been for a lot of others.

Good luck Dean. You'll have 35,000 of us at Villa Park, in just over a week's time, roaring you on!👍

It’s not like he doesn’t know the expectation. He was expecting it himself 30 years ago. This is why we cannot underestimate the Villa fan angle.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lizz on October 10, 2018, 10:35:57 PM
Happy with that. Also very happy to see sky sports news look like fucking idiots. Was watching it at around seven today and the line was "we understand that there's been no contact".

I love how SSN effectively report speculation (which often sounds like someone's been Googling) as though it's news. Tossers.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 10, 2018, 10:36:11 PM
Over the moon.
Brilliant pairing as far as I’m concerned.
Can’t wait for the next game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: DaveD on October 10, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
Well. I was not expecting this. Very happy indeed. A complementary combination IMHO. It may work. It may not. But it's been a fine process, well executed and we should applaud that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:37:26 PM
Sky Sports News understands that we've spent the last few days talking even more bollocks than usual. And sack that Sources fella he's even worse at his job than Bruce was at his.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Left Side on October 10, 2018, 10:38:01 PM
Well done Villa, welcome Deano.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 10, 2018, 10:39:00 PM
Clear they've been in contact for a while.

The whole process and all the names thrown into the mix has gradually made me open my eyes to Smith.

Very pleased. Feels the safe choice, the right choice and the progressive choice.

It's going to take a while for methods to set in, but I think a simple bit of sensible planning (I.e. what will Swansea do) and both attacking and defensive organisation will see us lick up a little.

Let's have a sell out for Swansea.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: leylandalbion on October 10, 2018, 10:39:22 PM
Right, next announcement... get that fucking upper tier opened for the Swansea game!
Totally dependant on the stay at homes putting their hands in their pockets.  Get behind the boys and sell out the rest before next Wednesday and it will be opened
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 10:39:29 PM
Love it all !

And the head coach approach is superb .
Dean Smith knows exactly what to do and fair play to Brentford letting him go .
Maybe he was the one all along ?!

Also he must be super excited and I can him like Wilder who is a blade at Sheff u  and now Smith as one of our own coaching and running first team will get the best out of this team .

Excellent Brentford  centreback chris mepham will be in January too I predict.
Check him out for Wales over this international break
He won't want to turn down villa Smith and working with JT but that's a side issue !

Welcome Smith especially .
Get ready for tactics thread
Possession football with a short passing game !

4-2-3-1 formation .

One thing Brentford did struggle to hold on to leads so let's see how we clear that up .

But really enthusiastic and good luck to Brentford moving forward and fair play to what they have done let Smith get going .
Brilliant stuff!!
Up the villa

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
His first 5 fixtures. Hard to see past 5 wins and us scoring 87 goals.

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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: black pearl of inchicore on October 10, 2018, 10:40:00 PM
Henry would have bled us dry.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dekko on October 10, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
I still cant shake the feeling that what he did at Brentford was down to their unusual backroom setup etc, but on the other hand he has had both his teams playing attcking football so whatever happens at least thatll be a nice change.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 10:40:55 PM
I particularly like that we have a head coach not a manager
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 10, 2018, 10:41:36 PM
His first 5 fixtures. Hard to see past 5 wins and us scoring 87 goals.

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I reckon the Swansea match, we'll be like Brazil 1970
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 10, 2018, 10:42:07 PM
If we don't win at least twelve of those first five games, he can go.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on October 10, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
Good stuff. I really turned around to the idea over the last couple of days and barring a couple of naysayers on social media, I haven't seen our fanbase this buoyant since the last time we got Terry in.

Welcome, Dean. You know this is the greatest club in the world, so go and create your own little piece of history in it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard E on October 10, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
His first 5 fixtures. Hard to see past 5 wins and us scoring 87 goals.

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I reckon the Swansea match, we'll be like Brazil 1970

A load of former players in their 70s?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 10, 2018, 10:43:01 PM
His first 5 fixtures. Hard to see past 5 wins and us scoring 87 goals.

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Winning five might be acceptable at places like Brentford but the expectation level is different now he’s here, I expect nothing less than seven wins from that lot.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 10:43:11 PM
Delighted about Smith. Think he's exactly what we need and am excited about what he can do with our players.

I know nothing about Pitarch, so difficult to feel too strongly about him.

Very wary about The Number Two. I'm not sure how he's qualified for that position, and am worried that he's been forced upon Smith (although I have no idea why that would happen). Just seems very strange that he would have such a prominent role, having never worked with Smith or have any experience anywhere.

There's three big personalities that are coming together that won't know each other very well at all. It's a huge decision for the board to make, and I guess we can only trust that they've done thorough checks.

Come on Deano, let's get something going!
Pitarch is highly respected in Spanish football. There's no chance Smith would of took the job if he don't think he can work with Terry. There were loads of us who doubted Terry when he arrived last season bit I thought he was absolutely exemplary for us. Let's not have any negatives tonight. It's one for rejoicing imo. UTV.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 10, 2018, 10:43:18 PM
Absolutely delighted. Haven't experienced that "got my first choice" feeling since MON came in (for better or worse).

I have high hopes for this management team and trust them both to get it right, starting with Swansea.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 10, 2018, 10:43:29 PM
Sky Sports News understands that we've spent the last few days talking even more bollocks than usual. And sack that Sources fella he's even worse at his job than Bruce was at his.


You say that but they are the real winners. The way they manipulate the market is both underhand and brilliant at the same time.

I also had £40 on it which now pays for my half season ticket
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
Has a side ever taking such a beating that they've asked for a mercy rule to be used or will Swansea be the first?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on October 10, 2018, 10:44:03 PM
Happy with that. Also very happy to see sky sports news look like fucking idiots. Was watching it at around seven today and the line was "we understand that there's been no contact".

Ha ha

I remember when MON joined they didn't mention it at all until he was at the ground. Like they were sulking because Pat Murphy got the scoop
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 10, 2018, 10:44:27 PM
Smart moves and hopefully an identity at last and more real approach to creating something here. Not just marketing talk with quotes such as the Villa engine, which in all honesty meant fuck all.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 10, 2018, 10:45:25 PM
Really pleased with the decision and pleased for him that he has got this opportunity.  I think concerns about him maybe not being a 'name' are offset by Terry being there as well.  Will be a great ride if he gets it right.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 10, 2018, 10:47:13 PM
10/10

Remember the date.  It is when Aston Villa Football Club halted a decade of decline and began the journey that will make us once again one of the English game's pre-eminent clubs.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: bobcat on October 10, 2018, 10:48:21 PM
Really pleased with this appointment, the right man at the right time. Same as John Gregory was.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: lovejoy on October 10, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
Really pleased with the decision and pleased for him that he has got this opportunity.  I think concerns about him maybe not being a 'name' are offset by Terry being there as well.  Will be a great ride if he gets it right.
Weren’t you hanging out for Eddie Howe a few hours ago?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: quinas on October 10, 2018, 10:49:32 PM
You know it's a good appointment when the bridge trolls across the way can do little more that mouth breathe hatefully.

https://www.that lot.com/read.php?1,2568396,page=22
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 10, 2018, 10:50:04 PM
At last we have a management team who will make in-game tactical decisions to change something instead of standing like a fat statue.  No more shit half/good half crap.  I'm really enthused now by the new CEO too. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:51:18 PM
Really pleased with the decision and pleased for him that he has got this opportunity.  I think concerns about him maybe not being a 'name' are offset by Terry being there as well.  Will be a great ride if he gets it right.
Weren’t you hanging out for Eddie Howe a few hours ago?

No he wasn't. But says a lot about you that your first comment when we have a new head coach is try to score points over another poster.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Harte on October 10, 2018, 10:51:38 PM
He's one of our own, he's one of our owwwwwwwn, Dean Smith, he's one of our own....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 10, 2018, 10:51:42 PM
Brill E Ant
Oh you kids:))
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2018, 10:53:56 PM
I still cant shake the feeling that what he did at Brentford was down to their unusual backroom setup etc, but on the other hand he has had both his teams playing attcking football so whatever happens at least thatll be a nice change.

That's my feelings too.  Tempered by the fact that the new DoF was announced at the same time.  Implying that they are a team of three and that there is an intention to build something similar at Villa.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 10, 2018, 10:55:47 PM
I still cant shake the feeling that what he did at Brentford was down to their unusual backroom setup etc, but on the other hand he has had both his teams playing attcking football so whatever happens at least thatll be a nice change.

That's my feelings too.  Tempered by the fact that the new DoF was announced at the same time.  Implying that they are a team of three and that there is an intention to build something similar at Villa.

He may not have been in charge of certain aspects, but he wouldn't have been kept in a dark room whilst it all went on. You would hope he could bring some of what he will have learnt from their set up with him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:56:25 PM
This looks a bit of a better attempt at the 'Villa engine' than last time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
I think the fact that we shelled the entire Bruce staff means Deano can bring in his own men. I do also hope Terry’s presence also unlocks access to some brilliant coaches that maybe Dean wouldn’t have access to alone. I’m looking forward to hearing from both of them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: achilles on October 10, 2018, 10:58:11 PM
Absolutely brilliant appointment, he will be like a breath of fresh air!

Just can't wait to get down to Villa Park now, look out Swansea!

Welcome Dean, back to your roots!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on October 10, 2018, 10:58:14 PM
I hope he gets the time and support as previous managers.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
This looks a bit of a better attempt at the 'Villa engine' than last time.

Yeah, that seemed to stop around the first team's door.  There should be more buy in from the key parties on the basis that they're starting from a blank piece of paper and can develop it together.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 10, 2018, 11:02:37 PM
I still cant shake the feeling that what he did at Brentford was down to their unusual backroom setup etc, but on the other hand he has had both his teams playing attcking football so whatever happens at least thatll be a nice change.

That's my feelings too.  Tempered by the fact that the new DoF was announced at the same time.  Implying that they are a team of three and that there is an intention to build something similar at Villa.

He may not have been in charge of certain aspects, but he wouldn't have been kept in a dark room whilst it all went on. You would hope he could bring some of what he will have learnt from their set up with him.

Yep. In many ways it's like any other organisation of a certain size. Would you rather a departmental manager spent half their time constantly dealing with sacking people and then relying on their contacts in recruitment companies to send them adequate replacements (for a big slice of commission for each appointment - meaning that a constant churn keeps them in tooth-whitening treatments and shiny suits) or employ somebody internally, who goes and finds a pool of talent for the manager to pick from when they have a spare couple of hours from doing their actual job with the staff who are already there?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on October 10, 2018, 11:04:47 PM
You know it's a good appointment when the bridge trolls across the way can do little more that mouth breathe hatefully.

https://www.that lot.com/read.php?1,2568396,page=22

I have to say, in addition to that place being a witless carnival of desperation, that forum is an absolute atrocity of design.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 10, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
I tell you what, Brentford fans are going to fucking hate us!

First Hogan and now Smith!
I have looked at their forum and they appear to be very realistic and pragmatic about it all. A decent set all in all.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:05:46 PM
Just read the full statement. I think Christian Purslow could turn out to be one of the clubs best appointments for a long long time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 10, 2018, 11:05:50 PM
I wonder if Dave can get a copy out before midnight, they haven't given him much room with the timing.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 10, 2018, 11:06:41 PM
This looks a bit of a better attempt at the 'Villa engine' than last time.

Yeah, that seemed to stop around the first team's door.  There should be more buy in from the key parties on the basis that they're starting from a blank piece of paper and can develop it together.

Yes. Although the key tension is with the need to get promoted asap given ffp

I really hope we've concluded that it's better to get it right even if it takes a couple of years and that we can afford tbat.

I've given up trying to understand ffp so I can't tell
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 10, 2018, 11:07:34 PM
They'll  have a job organising that defence due to the shortage of players Bruceratops left us with at CB and LB, unless Terry decides to come out of retirement.  Still as long as they try to play some proper football on the front foot, and don't make bizarre selections, it will be a massive improvement.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: passport1 on October 10, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Pretty underwhelmed. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 11:09:18 PM
Well smithy was right !
Prince William never got the job
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ger Regan on October 10, 2018, 11:09:49 PM
Just read the full statement. I think Christian Purslow could turn out to be one of the clubs best appointments for a long long time.
Steady on. Optimism is one thing, but the statement is no more than the usual fluff you'd expect.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 10, 2018, 11:09:56 PM
Dont know very much about him, but i will support him 100% and hope and pray he will be a huge success.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 10, 2018, 11:10:19 PM
Without pitarch I'd think this was a big risk but it looks like we're implementing the right structure to allow Smith to do what he's good at.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 10, 2018, 11:10:26 PM
I’m very happy with this. I think it’s a positive step forward.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:10:49 PM
Pretty underwhelmed.
That's the spirit.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
Surely he will have a lot of his coaching team in with him so that will help set up things coaching wise.

Expected for him to get villa promoted and this old Jesus Patriarchy chap to deal with the transfers
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:13:00 PM
Just read the full statement. I think Christian Purslow could turn out to be one of the clubs best appointments for a long long time.
Steady on. Optimism is one thing, but the statement is no more than the usual fluff you'd expect.
I was referring to the appointments not the actual statement.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
Pretty underwhelmed.
That's the spirit.

Would you rather have Brucie or Smithy
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 10, 2018, 11:15:22 PM
I love this #oneofourown stuff - I’m absolutely buzzing
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
Pretty underwhelmed.
That's the spirit.

Would you rather have Brucie or Smithy
Is that a trick question?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 10, 2018, 11:17:42 PM
Shocked -as I didn't expect an appointment tonight- but absolutely delighted.Great pairing and I'm looking forward to the football and the reclaiming of our rightful place in the world of football.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 10, 2018, 11:17:59 PM
From the Brentford statement, it looks like O'Kelly will be coming our way too as they say his position will be sorted in the next few days.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 10, 2018, 11:18:05 PM
No more there-or-thereabouts..... WE'RE GOING TO BE BLOODY THERE!!!!!!!!   

Welcome Deano, now get Villa Park lit up like a firework.  :)

#oneofourown
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on October 10, 2018, 11:18:44 PM
There was a stat during the Leeds game. Brentford and Leeds were top 2 on almost every relevant attacking stat you could think of. Say all you like about the structure of the club, that comes from the coaching and set up of the man picking the team. A genuinely attacking manager, I bet he is very excited looking at our forward players.

Defenders. Hmm. Huth or Collins might be in as short term fixes pretty quick still.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Fasth56 on October 10, 2018, 11:22:34 PM
I particularly like that we have a head coach not a manager
I like the fact we will have any sort of coach and unlikely to be out thought by Alex bloody Neal
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 10, 2018, 11:23:11 PM
Brentford fan rang up talksport and said he's glad. Very overrated, conceded tons of late goals...etc etc.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:23:21 PM
There was a stat during the Leeds game. Brentford and Leeds were top 2 on almost every relevant attacking stat you could think of. Say all you like about the structure of the club, that comes from the coaching and set up of the man picking the team. A genuinely attacking manager, I bet he is very excited looking at our forward players.

Defenders. Hmm. Huth or Collins might be in as short term fixes pretty quick still.
Spot on. I think Deano will be using our attacking force to the full in no time. I think JT will be tasked with sorting out Bruce's defensive fuckfest with the help of Jesus.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 10, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
From the Brentford statement, it looks like O'Kelly will be coming our way too as they say his position will be sorted in the next few days.

He was Assistant Manager though (not sure how that works when you have a Head Coach instead of a Manager and you also have a separate Assistant Head Coach, but whatever...), so it's hard to see where he'd fit?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 10, 2018, 11:26:48 PM
Brentford fan rang up talksport and said he's glad. Very overrated, conceded tons of late goals...etc etc.

Yeh he has to be gutted sitting 7th a point outside the playoffs having just gone to 3rd place Leeds and been very unlucky not to win. Numpty.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 10, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
Compo reported to be £300k
Bargain!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdward on October 10, 2018, 11:27:47 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 10, 2018, 11:28:02 PM
From the Brentford statement, it looks like O'Kelly will be coming our way too as they say his position will be sorted in the next few days.

He was Assistant Manager though (not sure how that works when you have a Head Coach instead of a Manager and you also have a separate Assistant Head Coach, but whatever...), so it's hard to see where he'd fit?

At Brentford he had two Assistant Managers/Head Coaches - O'Kelly who he took with him and Thomas Frank who is being linked with the manager's job at Brentford. Maybe the same here?

Bruce had Clemence, Agnew and Calderwood so plenty of space.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:29:38 PM
Brentford fan rang up talksport and said he's glad. Very overrated, conceded tons of late goals...etc etc.
Hopefully he's choked on his sour fucking grapes. I've been every Villa v Brentford game since we got relegated and apart from a half hour spell in the most recent game they've been by far the better team with a fraction of the resources we've had.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Goldie.7 on October 10, 2018, 11:29:41 PM
This guy has a lower win % than potato head. I hope things change under him for the better but right now Villa man or not I'm very skeptical.

Good luck though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 10, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
At Brentford though. Brentford. Of Griffin Park. The size of the lower Holte.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Brentford fan rang up talksport and said he's glad. Very overrated, conceded tons of late goals...etc etc.

They've conceded 3 late ones in the league this season and 1 was when they were 5 up. The poor lamb would have needed 24/7 supervision if he'd been watching us under RDM.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: myf on October 10, 2018, 11:34:59 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.


someone told me his folks live kings heath by cocks moors
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
At Brentford though. Brentford. Of Griffin Park. The size of the lower Holte.
Correct. Some villa fans just cannot get positive about anything the club does. I sometimes wonder what motivates some of them to "support" the club.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on October 10, 2018, 11:35:39 PM
How’s he going to fit in JT and his own no2 from Brentford ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
I mentioned on tactis thread that a caller named fred a Brentford fan says last 3 seasons  Brentford at top of league for conceding late goals.

I was aware they struggle and seen them concede and throw away leads at times .  Villa of course had the 2-2 comeback and late goals conceded is a specialty which is a concern.

What was interesting is the caller thinking the subs made did little to consolidate  matches .
I noticed in match against Leeds that I thought subs were not the best and that Leeds eventually equalised.

Okay it's a completely different squad but the defending and concentration could have been better in those brentford sides and this season conceded I think the  most goals as headers or from corners / set plays.

Maybe it's to do with style of play?

The teams I've seen have also been organised and play a good football style and prefer attacking and moving ball forward.
Smith sets up  organised but not in a so called pragmatic way like Bruce and pulis but a more systematic way with tactical identification and a decent use and embracing of analytics in coaching . Bruce never comfortable in understand such systems.

Welcome his approach and coaching methods I hope rest of his coaching team come in





Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 10, 2018, 11:44:42 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.


someone told me his folks live kings heath by cocks moors

His parents lived in Great Barr near enough to the Scott Arms pub. Not sure they are still there though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 11:45:53 PM
There was a stat during the Leeds game. Brentford and Leeds were top 2 on almost every relevant attacking stat you could think of. Say all you like about the structure of the club, that comes from the coaching and set up of the man picking the team. A genuinely attacking manager, I bet he is very excited looking at our forward players.

Defenders. Hmm. Huth or Collins might be in as short term fixes pretty quick still.

Just saying but Aston Villa only team to have scored every game in championship this season.
That's an attacking relevant stat to beat the league let alone Brentford or Leeds !
Let's increase now and make it out score every team .
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2018, 11:46:27 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.


Great Barr.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 10, 2018, 11:46:39 PM
Of course there are doubts, life is uncertain but the board have acted decisively and brought a new management team in with lots of potential.
I am now working out how to de at the Swansea game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2018, 11:46:59 PM
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever manage.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 10, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
Terry might be able to help on the point about not consolidating leads.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Harte on October 10, 2018, 11:48:59 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.

It's close enough. As long as he don't go around saying "boing boing" or "we'll be throstle or throstle about" it's all good, man.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 10, 2018, 11:49:38 PM
This guy has a lower win % than potato head. I hope things change under him for the better but right now Villa man or not I'm very skeptical.

Good luck though.


With the resources he had, Steve Bruce should have had a 85% win percentage
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: gpbarr on October 10, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
Excellent appointments - each in their own right and on their own merits.

No guarantees (irrespective who we appointed) but a Villa fan who understands the expectations, backed by two proven winners and leaders in the upper echelons of football. A calm and measured CEO and positive wealthy owners.

As a poster wrote earlier, the start of something special. Let’s get behind them, not expect miracles overnight, and all pull in the same direction

UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 10, 2018, 11:52:51 PM
Forgetting win percentages, he finished 9th, 10th, 9th with Brentford. When you consider their size, income, stadium, fan base, budget and the fact they lose their best players every year, then that is overachieving. This whilst playing some of the best football in the league and playing us off the park nearly every time we've played them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdward on October 10, 2018, 11:53:29 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2018/10/10/dean-smith-from-the-holte-end-to-the-aston-villa-dugouts/

Nice little insight to the man, from 2 years ago. No doubting his Villa DNA.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 10, 2018, 11:53:39 PM
How’s he going to fit in JT and his own no2 from Brentford ?
Yeah I bet the club has just gone into this without a single fucking thought about what they're doing. Idiots.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: wozwebs on October 10, 2018, 11:54:36 PM
Can we bring back the classic “Oh Deano” Dexy’s song from the early 90’s I wonder. Used to lie that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 10, 2018, 11:54:46 PM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.

It's close enough. As long as he don't go around saying "boing boing" or "we'll be throstle or throstle about" it's all good, man.

My cousins from Hamsted went to Dartmouth school in West Bromwich and iirc he was in the same year as one of them
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 10, 2018, 11:59:38 PM
I’m hopeful and wishe Smith and Terry all the best. Looking forward to a manager who can coach, which we haven’t had for a long time.

Very intriguing appointment from a Spanish director of football too. I’m amazed he knew of Smith and his record at Brentford.

One very minor nagging thought for me is Warburton was doing well at Brentford too and then left to achieve nothing at Rangers and Forest.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 11, 2018, 12:01:51 AM
I’m hopeful and wishe Smith and Terry all the best. Looking forward to a manager who can coach, which we haven’t had for a long time.

Very intriguing appointment from a Spanish director of football too. I’m amazed he knew of Smith and his record at Brentford.

One very minor nagging thought for me is Warburton was doing well at Brentford too and then left to achieve nothing at Rangers and Forest.

I think Purslow made the appointment of Smith and Pitarch...I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 11, 2018, 12:04:07 AM
I’m hopeful and wishe Smith and Terry all the best. Looking forward to a manager who can coach, which we haven’t had for a long time.

Very intriguing appointment from a Spanish director of football too. I’m amazed he knew of Smith and his record at Brentford.

One very minor nagging thought for me is Warburton was doing well at Brentford too and then left to achieve nothing at Rangers and Forest.


In the piece Dante linked to further up, it talks of Warburton not being offered a new contract rather than him leaving of his own volition. He apparently didn't buy into the Brentford system in the way that DS has. Make of it what you will!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 11, 2018, 12:10:25 AM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.

It's close enough. As long as he don't go around saying "boing boing" or "we'll be throstle or throstle about" it's all good, man.
I thought he was from Great Barr  which is in Birmingham?

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 11, 2018, 12:13:41 AM
I know he's a Villa fan. Is he from Birmingham? If so where. His wiki page says born in West Brom.

It's close enough. As long as he don't go around saying "boing boing" or "we'll be throstle or throstle about" it's all good, man.
I thought he was from Great Barr  which is in Birmingham?


Yeah, I know someone who knew him growing up and he's said before that he is from Great Barr.  As one of the above posts says, he went to Dartmouth school.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pooligan on October 11, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
Happy with the appointments of the three .Hopefully i can look forward to seeing some attacking football under Smith instead of the negative boring football we had under Bruce .Would imagine we will play to the strengths of Scott Hogan too
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 11, 2018, 12:28:51 AM
Not my no. 1, but a million miles from my last choice. I like the football he's produced at Brentford, he seems ambitious and ready to move on to the big time. Let's hope this is the start of something huge for him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 11, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
Not my no. 1, but a million miles from my last choice. I like the football he's produced at Brentford, he seems ambitious and ready to move on to the big time. Let's hope this is the start of something huge for him.

My feelings exactly, Monty. Good luck, Dean.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on October 11, 2018, 12:36:26 AM
Not my no. 1, but a million miles from my last choice. I like the football he's produced at Brentford, he seems ambitious and ready to move on to the big time. Let's hope this is the start of something huge for him.

My feelings exactly, Monty. Good luck, Dean.
Not my no. 1, but a million miles from my last choice. I like the football he's produced at Brentford, he seems ambitious and ready to move on to the big time. Let's hope this is the start of something huge for him.

My feelings exactly, Monty. Good luck, Dean.

Agreed, not my first choice but more than acceptable. We’re all behind you Dean, good luck mate.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 12:38:19 AM
Forgetting win percentages, he finished 9th, 10th, 9th with Brentford. When you consider their size, income, stadium, fan base, budget and the fact they lose their best players every year, then that is overachieving. This whilst playing some of the best football in the league and playing us off the park nearly every time we've played them.

That is the structure and set up at Brentford. Using the analytics and set up the way they have as a club Warburton also was doing some good things and playing this football.

They set the whole club as one to overachieve.

Hopefully Smith can still bring success and stamp some of his authority despite the difficult step up in size of club and expectations.

I think Smith has learnt a lot at Brentford and this restructuring at Villa with a sporting director hopefully will work well .

What's fascinating is how Smith adapts to managing outside of the Brentford structure and that there seems to be a restructuring at Villa which hopes to be progressive

I'm enjoying reading all the comment and debate all having  .

It's just as fascinating gauging the vibes of all the supporters and followers on this appointment and how will move forward.

Definite I'm optimistic but now with a hint of caution. That's because  having researched a bit more on the Brentford club structure it's totally different to villa set up and actually unique as a club to Brentford .
It's how much was it Smithy methods and how much is it the specialist coaching staff and systems used.

Villa have own system so will see .
Up the villa!

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Jockey Randall on October 11, 2018, 12:42:25 AM
The most interesting thing for me is that he's labelled as head coach like his previous role. Suggests they could be trying to go down the Brentford route of the club having a philosophy that the coach is asked to implement. Could also mean he wouldn't be too involved in transfers as well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 11, 2018, 12:47:12 AM
What vegetable are we going to associate with Smith then?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 11, 2018, 12:49:05 AM
And thank the lord it wasn't Moyes, McCarthy, Allardyce, Pardew, etc etc.

Dwight Yorke won't be very happy, I'd imagine!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2018, 12:59:11 AM
Dwight Yorke won't be very happy, I'd imagine!

Good. The self entitled tool. He's only a few months younger than Dean Smith, once has been coaching since 2005, the other keeps thinking he should be handed a job because, well, because.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 01:00:08 AM
The most interesting thing for me is that he's labelled as head coach like his previous role. Suggests they could be trying to go down the Brentford route of the club having a philosophy that the coach is asked to implement. Could also mean he wouldn't be too involved in transfers as well.

It is a very successful way having a sporting director and a head coach. Many clubs throughout Europe use this method especially on the continent and it's now one that Aston villa football club have embraced.

Smith may not get overall say on final transfers but having worked that system at Brentford then he should be comfortable.


Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villadelph on October 11, 2018, 01:28:21 AM
Dean Smith interview on captains and leadership.. quite ironic at :40.

https://youtu.be/W0xEu4gt94Q

Another thing..

Dean started two 20 year old CBs away at Elland Road before the break. Maybe he can figure something out with our group, Axel/Chester?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2018, 01:30:25 AM
Excited for us and happy for him.
Hopefully Hogan and Grealish will be rejuvenated with their old mentors.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on October 11, 2018, 01:42:37 AM
I wish all the good things in the world on him and only him.

But it is such a massive step up.

Walsall>Brentford>Villa

My fear -like when Wagner was under consideration back in 2016- is we are a juggernaut. With a bit of forward momentum= one of the top 6-8 clubs in England regardless of league position.

When it's shite, it's like being hit by a bus and dragged under.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 11, 2018, 03:03:53 AM
I cant imagine Dean Smith will get much sleep tonight , he will be so bloody excited .

Good luck Dean Smith , looking forward to your brand of football down the Villa. 

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 03:24:22 AM
Dean Smith interview on captains and leadership.. quite ironic at :40.

https://youtu.be/W0xEu4gt94Q

Another thing..

Dean started two 20 year old CBs away at Elland Road before the break. Maybe he can figure something out with our group, Axel/Chester?

He used the word “studying”, relative to captaincy in other sports. I nearly blacked out. The only thing Steve Bruce ever studied is the menu at the local chippy.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 11, 2018, 03:34:40 AM
Bloody hell, I'd switched off for the night, I certainly wasn't expecting this news.

Welcome, Dean. Do us proud. It's a crime it's taken us 18 years to join the 21st century. Watching the World Cup this summer followed by watching the Villa this season, you'd think they were two completely different sports. Looking forward now to the rest of the season. Bring it on!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VancouverLion on October 11, 2018, 04:30:07 AM
How refreshing to listen to a manager that clearly knows what he’s doing.

https://youtu.be/56G-dyffX7M
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 11, 2018, 04:39:10 AM
Being a Villa man himself, I just hope the weight of expectation from us "hard to please" fan base doesn't get to him.  He needs some time.  Perhaps we may not go up this season - yes we are desperate for that kick on but we are up against it chasing  rather than being chased.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: levico on October 11, 2018, 04:43:47 AM
What vegetable are we going to associate with Smith then?

Rocket?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on October 11, 2018, 04:46:31 AM
The fan base needs to get behind him and they will. The fan base also need to be patient, will they? I am as keen for him to succeed as the next man but this will take time, I hope he’s got the balls to stand up to any whinging and moaning from us if it takes time to get it right.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: levico on October 11, 2018, 04:46:46 AM
Is this the first time we have had a manager who was a childhood fan of the club?

I can think of a few who adopted the club but no lifelong supporters.

Can’t help but think that the club have called the fans bluff on this one. We got what many asked for (shudders at Lambert memories).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2018, 04:55:38 AM
Ron Atkinson said this in an interview a week or so ago ""I’d supported Villa as a kid, I’d played there."
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt C on October 11, 2018, 05:02:36 AM
Looks like the semblance of a smart structure being implemented with a progressive young coach at the helm who knows what the club is about, couldn’t have asked for much more.

Kudos too for the way the business was conducted - smartly, efficiently and in private. The media knew nothing until an hour prior.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 11, 2018, 05:05:34 AM
Think the spotlight in the coming weeks will turn to the players. Too often the contribution of some hasn't been good enough but they have got away with it as people focussed on Bruce's poor management. Some are going to have to up their  game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 11, 2018, 05:48:45 AM
Good luck to all three. Dean in particular, I really hope the expectations that have ruined a few managers, Lambert for example, who loads thought was “the one” does not happen again. Forget all about the Villa fan stuff, not important. Good luck Dean
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 11, 2018, 06:04:17 AM
Very happy with all 3. I'm really looking forward to the type of football DS plays. Hopefully the climb back to the top begins here.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: NeilH on October 11, 2018, 06:12:03 AM
Over the moon about this frankly, not just cos he’s a fellow Villain, but because it’s the kind if appointment the club needs after years of mistimed steps. His back room staff are just the cherry on top.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 11, 2018, 06:21:32 AM
Good luck to all three. Dean in particular, I really hope the expectations that have ruined a few managers, Lambert for example, who loads thought was “the one” does not happen again. Forget all about the Villa fan stuff, not important. Good luck Dean

I'm hoping this is the start of a genuine 'villa engine' where the head coach is less important.  The key man could actually be the DoF who will have a bigger say in defining the DNA of the club, Smith will implement that vision.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 11, 2018, 06:24:17 AM
Do we know much about his back room team other than Terry?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2018, 06:41:26 AM
Welcome Dean, Jesus and John get us promoted and play good football please.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on October 11, 2018, 06:41:41 AM
HEADLINE NEWS BBC......

JOHN TERRY IS BACK AND APPOINTED AS VILLA ASSISTANT.



And some guy called smith is manager
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2018, 06:44:45 AM
The only thing concerning me is the weak defence that Bruce has left behind, this will hamper Deano at least until January. Hopefully JT can sort it - maybe even helping out by playing?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 11, 2018, 06:50:15 AM
Very happy about this outcome.  A balanced, far sighted set of appointments that will get the Villa aeroplane taxiing  along the runway not catapulted over the edge of a cliff the way it has been so many times in the recent past.  The signs are the days of rolling the dice and betting the farm are over.

I am extraordinarily happy that I never had to stop going to games.  The cabbage saved me.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on October 11, 2018, 06:51:11 AM
Welcome aboard Dean. Out of them all you’re the one I’d most want it to go well for. The timing feels right, I don’t think there’s an expectancy for us to go up this year now so he should have until next season atleast.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2018, 07:05:14 AM
Gregory Tweeting this morning;

Quote
#avfc After years of getting it totally and utterly wrong and more than £100m wasted.... Villa have finally made the correct appointment.
Welcome Dean Smith. One of our own.#UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2018, 07:09:57 AM
I wonder if Doyle-Hayes will get into the squads? It's how Smith likes to play, with a deep lying ball player.

Two 20 year olds at the heart of Brentford's defence, so he'snot afriad to play the wee ones.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 11, 2018, 07:10:23 AM
Really looking forward to the style of play we'll see

But it may take a while. Theres so little time to coach in this league and when there is, unlike most clubs, almost our entire squad is away with their international team

Plus the keeper and defence situation . . It will surely improve, but some off the players are possibly just quite poor.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 11, 2018, 07:14:12 AM
How refreshing to listen to a manager that clearly knows what he’s doing.

https://youtu.be/56G-dyffX7M

Guy is a Muppet.
No mention of sleeves being rolled up and all he talked about was double training sessions, preperation and a game plan.

Who is he trying to kid?

What a refreshing change.
Best of luck Dean   now go be a legend.

Oh and good or bad appointment only time will tell but I have been very impressed with the professional way we have conducted ourselves as a club from start to finish.

UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 07:15:01 AM
I wonder if Doyle-Hayes will get into the squads? It's how Smith likes to play, with a deep lying ball player.

Two 20 year olds at the heart of Brentford's defence, so he'snot afriad to play the wee ones.

It's easier to play as a young one if you're playing at a smaller club. Weight of expectation not so huge. Having said that, I'd have thought Smith and Terry will give players confidence and be really supportive.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 11, 2018, 07:17:43 AM
Villa Park is going to roar next Saturday Dean and I wish you every success. Tame the lion and don't give it an opportunity to tame you,
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on October 11, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
What time was this all announced? I’m reading this all now, what a positive start to the day!

I just hope he wanted JT as his assistant and he hasn’t been forced to have him.

Onwards and upwards, all the best Smithy and JT bring the good times back!

UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 11, 2018, 07:30:46 AM
I thought bk Terry will be he teeth to those players who think that Smith is a nobody. I can't wait for our next game now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Scratchins on October 11, 2018, 07:31:15 AM
I checked the internet at 21:50, doom and gloom. No news expected for a week, Dean Smith not approached, others turning us down. 22:00 Villa tweeted the 3 appointments. Don't trust the media.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 11, 2018, 07:35:08 AM
you can always trust them to get it wrong
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Little Class on October 11, 2018, 07:39:18 AM
At last an inspiring set of appointments. Now is the time for patients cos this team will deliver when they’ve repaired the damage caused by the previous manager. I feel so upbeat right now

There's quite a few of those in the squad already...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 11, 2018, 07:50:31 AM
Like many, I retain reservations about Smith. I watched some of the match against Leeds and it occurred to me that seeing games out is seems to be an issue, they had chances and only ended up with a draw and perhaps this is why they are not further up the table. But then that could be down to the tools at his disposal.

Either way, fortune favours the brave and this is a gamble but I would rather this than a "safe pair of hands". There is so much of that in football these days, going out not to lose, eking points out here and there, safety first and we've had our fair share at Villa Park. I'd rather have someone like Smith and it not work than not try at all.

It's very much a leap into the unknown when you consider the other two appointments but it's intriguing and exciting and that's why I'm really looking forward to the next game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: manic-road on October 11, 2018, 07:55:11 AM
I'm not sure if he was the best option to appoint but I wish him all the success in the world, I'm not expecting Villa to transform the style of play overnight but I would like to think that in a couple of months we will start to see the makings of a good team.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 08:00:14 AM
I spent all day yesterday glued to a combination of Talksport, SKY and H&V and then decided to take a break from all things Villa connected and watch some regular TV from 9pm onwards. An hour later we make the big announcement and I didn't find out until I woke up this morning.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 11, 2018, 08:03:01 AM
I just like the fact he plays attacking football

I don't know how be long term but he's definitely good enough to get us up playing the right way and hopefully starting to put a good squad of players together

I'm not keen on British managers we've been burnt to often lately with their limitations
whether he turns into a Eddie Howe or a Alan Pardew only time will tell on that one

But I'm hopeful again and I haven't been that for a good two years
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on October 11, 2018, 08:03:38 AM
Is this the first time we have had a manager who was a childhood fan of the club?

I can think of a few who adopted the club but no lifelong supporters.

Can’t help but think that the club have called the fans bluff on this one. We got what many asked for (shudders at Lambert memories).
Don’t know about that but with himself , Sir Brian and Tayls all working there, that has to be the most Villa blood in non playing staff there for a long while , so great stuff
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: manic-road on October 11, 2018, 08:04:55 AM
No leaks in the media about the appointment prior to the announcement, that's how a club should act.
James Nursey was tweeting that Faria was about to sign for Villa just a few hours before Smith was announced, they just make it up for sales and clicks.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: postal on October 11, 2018, 08:06:30 AM
Should be a good appointment, esp when Henry decided to try for Monaco instead of working in Birmingham.

Can we give him a bit of time before some one here starts the "Sack Dean Smith" thread....   ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 11, 2018, 08:06:35 AM
First job for Smith is to talk Terry out of retirement, at least until the next transfer window
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on October 11, 2018, 08:09:25 AM
The first managerial appointment I've been really happy with since MON.

Chuffed for Dean, really pleased JT is back (still wish he'd play for a few months) and am just very positive about the whole thing.

UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 11, 2018, 08:11:09 AM
So as he’s a local bloke what are all our tenuous links to Deano?

I met him at Boldmere St Michaels when he was Walsall manager. He was with a mate of mine who went to school with him and was watching their youth team play in the Bham Senior Cup. Nice fella, just seemed a straight up normal lad.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on October 11, 2018, 08:14:20 AM
The first managerial appointment I've been really happy with since MON.

Chuffed for Dean, really pleased JT is back (still wish he'd play for a few months) and am just very positive about the whole thing.

UTV

I was pleased with Lambert based on his prior 3 years.

Bruce was decent enough at the time under the dire circumstances. Yeah the rest were uninspriing, baffling or downright fucking idiotic - or a combination. Garde was doomed to fail regardless mind
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 11, 2018, 08:17:45 AM
Is this the first time we have had a manager who was a childhood fan of the club?

I can think of a few who adopted the club but no lifelong supporters.

Can’t help but think that the club have called the fans bluff on this one. We got what many asked for (shudders at Lambert memories).


Could be they've called everyones bluff.
Dean Smith could have been the n.o 1 all along but they allowed the media to speculate with the likes of Henry, Faria, Rodgers etc
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 11, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
Is this the first time we have had a manager who was a childhood fan of the club?

I can think of a few who adopted the club but no lifelong supporters.

Can’t help but think that the club have called the fans bluff on this one. We got what many asked for (shudders at Lambert memories).


Could be they've called everyones bluff.
Dean Smith could have been the n.o 1 all along but they allowed the media to speculate with the likes of Henry, Faria, Rodgers etc


To what end?

I think it's clear we talked to other managers, they weren't interested, but we were always working off of a shortlist and eventually got the man best suited for the role when he responded positively to an approach.

In other words, we did it right. For once.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 11, 2018, 08:22:40 AM
First job for Smith is to talk Terry out of retirement, at least until the next transfer window


I'd be disappointed if he did, to be honest.


We've got players who can do the job, they just need to play in their correct positions
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2018, 08:23:56 AM
The speed at which it's happened suggests we were talking to a number of people at the same time, which is a world away from Fox's shortlist of 1.

£300k in compensation Percy is reporting. I doubt he's on Bruce's fat deal either.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Little Class on October 11, 2018, 08:28:45 AM
The next 25 years:

October 2019 - Smith Out banners appear at VP
2020 - Villa win Championship
2022 - League Cup Winners
Summer 2022 - Terry joins Lampard as new coach at Chelsea; Delaney new Assistant at Villa
2023 - FA Cup Winners
2024 - Europa League Winners
2025 - League Champions
2026 - Do the Double
2027 - League Champions
2028 - European Champions
Next 15 years, 12 FA Cups, 13 League Titles, 10 European Cups
2036 - Terry says:  "I thought I had joined the greatest club in the world in Chelsea.  I was mistaken"
2038- I croak it
2040 - Villa beat Barca 6-3 in Euro Cup Final for 5th straight win, and I bloody miss it
2042 - Villa buy Qatar and free the slaves
2043 - Smith retires and Moyes is appointed manager
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Godfrey Brian on October 11, 2018, 08:30:13 AM
Excellent appointment. I'd anticipate he'll have a role for O'Kelly also. They are a strong team  who've been together a long time. Brentford have said they will 'clarify' his position which suggests discussions and someone else is leading their training today.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lsvilla on October 11, 2018, 08:31:41 AM
So as he’s a local bloke what are all our tenuous links to Deano?

I met him at Boldmere St Michaels when he was Walsall manager. He was with a mate of mine who went to school with him and was watching their youth team play in the Bham Senior Cup. Nice fella, just seemed a straight up normal lad.
My mate plays golf in the fourball that goes off behind him and his most Sunday’s at Great Barr so chats to him pretty regularly. Speaks highly of him but no idea what his golf is like.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on October 11, 2018, 08:31:53 AM
While he wasn't my first choice he does give us a coach manager rather than someone who just picks the side on match day. Credit must go to all at Villa for the way they have kept all happenings in-house and have given us a clear structure for the first time in many years. I will be waiting with anticipation to see the line up against Swansea hopefully we will have players playing in their natural positions. UTV.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 11, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
No leaks in the media about the appointment prior to the announcement, that's how a club should act.
James Nursey was tweeting that Faria was about to sign for Villa just a few hours before Smith was announced, they just make it up for sales and clicks.
I think Kendrick tweeted a link to Dexy’s Geno an hour or so before the appointment
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 11, 2018, 08:32:48 AM
Is this the first time we have had a manager who was a childhood fan of the club?

I can think of a few who adopted the club but no lifelong supporters.

Can’t help but think that the club have called the fans bluff on this one. We got what many asked for (shudders at Lambert memories).


Could be they've called everyones bluff.
Dean Smith could have been the n.o 1 all along but they allowed the media to speculate with the likes of Henry, Faria, Rodgers etc


To what end?

I think it's clear we talked to other managers, they weren't interested, but we were always working off of a shortlist and eventually got the man best suited for the role when he responded positively to an approach.

In other words, we did it right. For once.


Was it?

If you want to believe everything the media say that's fair enough. For me it was the media name dropping and then the persons (Henry, Rodgers) in question saying they hadn't been contacted, or, as with BFS and Yorke, they would if asked.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on October 11, 2018, 08:33:54 AM
The speed at which it's happened suggests we were talking to a number of people at the same time, which is a world away from Fox's shortlist of 1.

£300k in compensation Percy is reporting. I doubt he's on Bruce's fat deal either.

I'd expect us to have been sounding out interest prior to Bruce's sacking or at the very latest, when he was sacked.

If the others (Henry & Faria) weren't interested and Rogers either wasn't interested or was too expensive to prise away then Smith would have been the leading contender from a very early stage.

Personally, I'm happy with the appointment, as most appear to be.  It's not perfect but no appointment is ever going to be.  After Henry, Smith would have been my choice and importantly (to me anyway) is the fact that decent football is going to be played.  I was at breaking point after 2 years of Bruce and couldn't have faced much more.

I posted it on another thread but if anyone has time, this 20 minute video of Smith on a Q&A session is v interesting:

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 11, 2018, 08:35:01 AM
Brentford have been playing with a 20 year old centre back this season. So I imagine he'll be prepared to stick with tuanzebe there

Quite what he does about the left back and keeper situation in the short term, I've no idea

I think it's probably nyland and Taylor and try and build their confidence up. Maybe you say to them that they've got the shirt for a good run of games to help with that

Problem is they're both a bit of a liability
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 08:40:09 AM
Brentford have been playing with a 20 year old centre back this season. So I imagine he'll be prepared to stick with tuanzebe there

Quite what he does about the left back and keeper situation in the short term, I've no idea

I think it's probably nyland and Taylor and try and build their confidence up. Maybe you say to them that they've got the shirt for a good run of games to help with that

Problem is they're both a bit of a liability

Remember Terry played with most of our defence last season so knows exactly who is, and isn't, up to it. The keeper situation is the one area of concern but I'd soon expect that to get sorted with clear instructions.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 11, 2018, 08:41:29 AM
Wasn't my 1st choice but i'm quite happy about it all the same. I just hope he gets the time to turn it round. After wasting 3 seasons on Bruce i think a lot of people won't be prepared to give Smith that leeway.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on October 11, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Feeling really happy about this this morning. Henry was like the hot girl who’ll inevitably break your heart, Smith is like her ugly mate who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 11, 2018, 08:53:33 AM
Feeling really happy about this this morning. Henry was like the hot girl who’ll inevitably break your heart, Smith is like her ugly mate who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Haha
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: lovejoy on October 11, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
Any news on whether Deano is bringing any of his backroom team?
 I think this is important.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dicedlam on October 11, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
Started warming to the idea of Smith being appointed a couple of days ago. It makes sense and I wish him and JT all the very best.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nelly on October 11, 2018, 09:03:49 AM
Great news. A man with a clue, finally! If Smith gets us back to where we belong, he'll be a hero forever. I for one, cannot wait to see Villa playing good football again.

On the march!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 11, 2018, 09:09:45 AM
Any news on whether Deano is bringing any of his backroom team?
 I think this is important.

Check out @MattHughesTimes’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/MattHughesTimes/status/1050295836297580544?s=09
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 11, 2018, 09:10:54 AM
Richard O'Kelly to join as his assistant.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2018, 09:24:35 AM
So does that make Terry assistant to the head coach? /davidbrent
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 11, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
First job for Smith is to talk Terry out of retirement, at least until the next transfer window


I'd be disappointed if he did, to be honest.


We've got players who can do the job, they just need to play in their correct positions

At the moment Villa have .......

one fully qualified centre half who's looked a bit flaky himself this season
one apprentice centre half
one YTS centre half
one really slow midfielder, who's been moved into defence because he can head the ball (although not with any directional control)
the decaying carcass of Micah Richards

Therefore, a couple of months of Terry playing the odd game would be a positive move.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on October 11, 2018, 09:32:04 AM
Richard O'Kelly to join as his assistant.
Is this now confirmed anywhere ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on October 11, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
It’s the paring I wanted. Great news for fans, players and the club. This to me is probably the best managerial appointment at VP in all my years as a fan.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on October 11, 2018, 09:41:06 AM
Great read.... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wally-meets-dean-smith-ambitious-9754497
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 11, 2018, 09:45:35 AM
Hearing the Dean Smith's comments after the Leeds game, I'd expect he'll be using this international break to work with the squad as he planned to at Brentford, despite having seven players out on international duty. DOUBLE SESSIONS. The bloke doesn't miss an opportunity to improve his players.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 11, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
Awkward. I'd hate to think JT has been shoehorned in. He's too good for that, and we require stability too much to have people potentially working at cross purposes or competing for the gaffer's ear. I don't see how a manager (or head coach, whatever) can have more than one actual assistant, whatever their title.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2018, 09:48:53 AM
Happy with this but hope Smith wanted Terry rather than him being foisted upon him.

Unfortunately it seems a contrived partnership to me. Best of luck to Dean Smith, we go again...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on October 11, 2018, 09:50:51 AM
When Hogan is fit he really will be like a new signing.  This news should give him a great lift too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
When Hogan is fit he really will be like a new signing.  This news should give him a great lift too.

According to Hogan, he's been fit for the last five weeks.  Yet more proof of a what a lying twat Bruce was.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 11, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
Typical of me, switched off about 9:15 last night and didn't bother logging in again.  Got up to go swimming at 6:15 and had a quick look in and the first thing I saw was the new manager thread locked and John Terry appointed as coach.  I couldn't wait to get home to carry on reading.  I completely missed the minor fact that Dean Smith had got the gig and also the new DOF.

Anyway, welcome chaps and the very best of luck to you, I wish you well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2018, 09:58:10 AM
Awkward. I'd hate to think JT has been shoehorned in. He's too good for that, and we require stability too much to have people potentially working at cross purposes or competing for the gaffer's ear. I don't see how a manager (or head coach, whatever) can have more than one actual assistant, whatever their title.

I think it's a great move, and I'm sure Smith will be perfectly happy with having somebody with such recent experience of the squad, who commands respect and can act as a go between.  Of course a manager can have more than one assistant, they can have different roles, and bring different strengths to the group.  Our defence has been a bit shit for example, so having somebody like Terry as a coach who actually played with Chester and Hutton will be a massive help.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2018, 09:58:32 AM
He's in the Ireland squad so I don't think he is unfit.

Smith seems to play 4-2-3-1 though, so he will likely have to bide his time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Any news on whether Deano is bringing any of his backroom team?
 I think this is important.

Check out @MattHughesTimes’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/MattHughesTimes/status/1050295836297580544?s=09

I can't tell if his Profile Pic is supposed to be a comedy one or not?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CJ on October 11, 2018, 10:15:06 AM
Really pleased with this. And 'Head Coach' on the training ground rather than 'Manager' in his office. Given the dysfunctional defence Bruce has left him we need to be patient and give him time to build his team and style, and for a change it will be a pleasure going to the game rather than a chore.

Hats off to the new owners not just for these appointments but also for building a structure in the background which will serve us for years to come. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on October 11, 2018, 10:15:12 AM
We have a very strong squad of attacking players, who the last coaches weren't getting anywhere near enough out of.  So, we've appointed a strong coach with attacking tendencies.  Perfectly logical.  Not the Villa way (thank fuck).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
Smithy has pedigree in team play and nurtuing players to be moved on.

I take the first bit but the second is less necessary right now it's a case of having the developed players and getting them consistently performing .

Already the villa score every game it's just having the right cohesion in team play.

It can just be a matter of how much the players adapt as much as how Smithy adapts to the club.
 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on October 11, 2018, 10:34:37 AM
I went out to the cinema as part of our work do with free beer which was really nice so I didn't find out until after 12 O Clock about Dean Smith which I'm really pleased about and I was tipsy so now I can say welcome to Aston Villa Dean Smith and welcome back JT.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 11, 2018, 10:42:18 AM
brentford fans raving bout him on TS

It was the start of something special and they will be in for 2/3 of our players , the football was so exciting , you will look forward to going down on a Saturday , Villa could be top 2 now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 10:49:58 AM
Richard O'Kelly to join as his assistant.
Is this now confirmed anywhere ?

This guy is 61 so it's good have a mixture of youth , the recent retired JT , and O'Kelly who works well with Smith and has a wise old head and great experience in football assisting Smithy as part of coaching team
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 11, 2018, 10:52:01 AM
He'll do. Wouldn't have been my first choice, but he's got lots of promise. And although it shouldn't be a factor, the fact he's one of us is undeniably a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 11, 2018, 11:16:20 AM
Cometh the hour,cometh the man
Haven't felt this excited at a managerial appointment since BFR.New era beckons.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 11, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
I am guessing no press conference/unveiling today, especially considering the news about Doug?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
I'd imagine he will have some words to say about Doug at his unveiling. I'd also assume that all the new appointees will be at a joint press conference, either today or in the near future.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: supertom on October 11, 2018, 12:13:47 PM
Of all the choices that were realistic, he's actually the safest bet I think. Henry would have been a big gamble. Faria too. Rodgers was never going to happen.
He plays the right way. He's taking a step up, but he's a Villa fan. He gets the club. He's got JT with him, and that will ease the connection to the squad.

Keeping Brentford as a top half fixture was no mean feet, particularly given their best players were always getting pilfered (including by ourselves.). He has a good squad at his disposal. He has time to sign another CH from the free agents if he wants to. But what I suspect, is that we'll finally see our attacking players excelling.

Give him time. A top 6 push is the target. Automatic is unrealistic now to be honest. He'll need 10 games at least to really implement what he wants. If that happens in conjunction with 'new manager bounce' then great, but you can't always rely on that. He's got so much drab negativity to drain out of our playing style. It goes right back to Randy's era. Our predominant go to, for decades now, has been defence minded, negative football. The last manager who actually looked liked they were attempting to change our footballing philosophy with any fore-thinking was probably Houllier (and he of course wasn't entirely successful). I think Smith will look to play the right way, and stick by that ethos, rather than retracting to a negative mindset. With our current squad, attack is the best form of defence.

This is also potentially good news for Scott Hogan too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 11, 2018, 12:38:49 PM
Good appointment on the face of it. Terry likewise. Should make a good team. The whole structure is starting to look really good, but you know when we've been shit for eight years and everything we've tried has turned to shit, I'm finding it very difficult to get excited and to have the belief that we're going to turn it around. I certainly hope this is the turning point though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Godfrey Brian on October 11, 2018, 12:50:49 PM
Richard O'Kelly to join as his assistant.
Is this now confirmed anywhere ?

This guy is 61 so it's good have a mixture of youth , the recent retired JT , and O'Kelly who works well with Smith and has a wise old head and great experience in football assisting Smithy as part of coaching team
Sky sources saying it's happened. So that's two Great Barr  guys at the helm. Just needs Craig Shakespeare to join as well and John Terry will be talking like a Peaky Blinder within a week!  :)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 11, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
At last it looks like there's a serious bit of thinking behind the appointment(s).


Smith has been part of a very co-ordinated set up at Brentford and The Villa will be a very different prospect....that's why I think that Pitarch is also a key appointment, and that Smith's role is "coach".
More background staff to come but I feel optimistic at last, where I felt despair over the last 6 months!


Come on you Villa boys!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: achilles on October 11, 2018, 12:53:52 PM
Let's all be positive as this is the start of a new era, with a coach that actually knows what he is doing and has proved it!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 11, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Totally behind this appointment.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on October 11, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
P!ease, PLEASE, play attacking football, Mr Smith!

We have the attacking capabilities to worry every single team in this division. Give the opposition plenty to worry about from the off. Sure, we'll concede here and there, but we do that anyway.

Go for it from the off, and the fans will back you all the way. 👍
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on October 11, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Attack, attack, attack....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: simon ward 50 on October 11, 2018, 01:48:09 PM
I wonder if we will start playing Dexys' "Geno" again?

We can hope!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on October 11, 2018, 02:01:17 PM
I didn't really have a first choice as there was never a standout candidate in my mind. There were unrealistic combinations I thought would be great but one or the other was probably never gettable.   In the end, after having satisfied me in getting rid of Bruce, I decided to just sit and await the decision of the club,  who after all are in the best position to see who meets the club's needs and direction.

Having seen how the whole structure is being put together, this probably pleases me more than the selection of manager. Having said that, Smith would appear to be a very good fit with that structure, with the extra strength of Terry. The appointment of Terry could be a very good decision as he could take some of the media focus off Smith, allowing him to get on and do what he does best.  The days of a single manager with a couple of coaches have gone. Today it is all about having a management team.

People need to give this time as it is a complete change in thinking, especially when you take into account the number of players that are here on loan and those that we probably not give new contracts to.

I fully support the approach taken by the Club and look forward with optimism for the first time in years.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 11, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
A few more Brentford fans rang up Talksport this morning saying what to expect from Smith. "You'll enjoy watching football again, an attacking more expansive way of playing but do expect to concede sloppy goals because of the risk he takes going forward".

He'll love Jedinak then.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 02:18:56 PM
That’s where Terry becomes critical. Divide and conquer in terms of responsibility.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Man With A Stick on October 11, 2018, 02:28:22 PM
So as he’s a local bloke what are all our tenuous links to Deano?

I met him at Boldmere St Michaels when he was Walsall manager. He was with a mate of mine who went to school with him and was watching their youth team play in the Bham Senior Cup. Nice fella, just seemed a straight up normal lad.

He went to my old school, as people used to talk about him a few years later when I was there (and he was playing for Walsall) , so I've kept an eye out for him ever since.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on October 11, 2018, 02:35:02 PM
A few more Brentford fans rang up Talksport this morning saying what to expect from Smith. "You'll enjoy watching football again, an attacking more expansive way of playing but do expect to concede sloppy goals because of the risk he takes going forward".

He'll love Jedinak then.

I reckon we've seen the last of Jed in central defence and not before time. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rodders on October 11, 2018, 02:38:50 PM
Impressive conduct from NSWE and delivered very neatly. I'm looking forward to seeing us push forward on the field and off.

Good luck to our new management team and can we have the round badge back please?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ian c. on October 11, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
A few more Brentford fans rang up Talksport this morning saying what to expect from Smith. "You'll enjoy watching football again, an attacking more expansive way of playing but do expect to concede sloppy goals because of the risk he takes going forward".

He'll love Jedinak then.

I think we might have to go the full Kevin Keegan until we can get another central defender and left back.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: davidb on October 11, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
Seems good on paper, I'll say it quietly, but Warburton looked good at Brentford and the wheels fell off once he left without the infrastucture brentford have in place to support him
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on October 11, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
So as he’s a local bloke what are all our tenuous links to Deano?

I met him at Boldmere St Michaels when he was Walsall manager. He was with a mate of mine who went to school with him and was watching their youth team play in the Bham Senior Cup. Nice fella, just seemed a straight up normal lad.

He went to my old school, as people used to talk about him a few years later when I was there (and he was playing for Walsall) , so I've kept an eye out for him ever since.

What school did he go to? I grew up in Great Barr myself. A mate of mine used to drink with Smith’s brother in the Scott Arms.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
Seems good on paper, I'll say it quietly, but Warburton looked good at Brentford and the wheels fell off once he left without the infrastucture brentford have in place to support him

Warburton had never made a single league appearance as a player. He played non-league with Enfield and Boreham Wood then was in charge of Watfrod's academy. Dean Smith made nearly 600 league appearances in a career that took in five clubs and has eight years of fairly successful management under his belt at Walsall and Brentford. Also Warburton always comes across to me as a self important twat.  As for a supportive infrastructure surely Purslow, Pitarch and Terry amongst others are there for that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
Accurate article from The Metro. (https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/11/hes-not-as-glamourous-as-thierry-henry-but-dean-smith-can-rebuild-broken-aston-villa-8027746/)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 11, 2018, 03:34:39 PM
Accurate article from The Metro. (https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/11/hes-not-as-glamourous-as-thierry-henry-but-dean-smith-can-rebuild-broken-aston-villa-8027746/)

Now that blokes knows his stuff, or reads this site regularly.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 11, 2018, 03:35:16 PM
Jeez that's a rare, well written and thought out article - from the Metro too?!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 11, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
Great appointment, really looking forward to seeing where he can take us. he's been the fans' choice for a while now.

I just wish that little devil on my shoulder, shouting Graham Turner in my ear, would fuck of though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: aldridgeboy on October 11, 2018, 03:39:34 PM
Good article that. Sums it all up very well.
I’m pleased with the decision. Henry was such a gamble and possibly a car crash waiting to happen.

The Brentford fans stating we may concede sloppy goals on Talk Sport - well we do that anyway- without good attacking. So straight away there’s an improvement!!

Any chance of Terry registering as a player to get us a bit of cover ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Godfrey Brian on October 11, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
So as he’s a local bloke what are all our tenuous links to Deano?

I met him at Boldmere St Michaels when he was Walsall manager. He was with a mate of mine who went to school with him and was watching their youth team play in the Bham Senior Cup. Nice fella, just seemed a straight up normal lad.

He went to my old school, as people used to talk about him a few years later when I was there (and he was playing for Walsall) , so I've kept an eye out for him ever since.

What school did he go to? I grew up in Great Barr myself. A mate of mine used to drink with Smith’s brother in the Scott Arms.
Dartmouth -it's in the bit of Great Barr that's in Sandwell.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Des Little on October 11, 2018, 03:44:10 PM
I'd have thought the Swansea game will see a decent turnout now
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 11, 2018, 03:49:31 PM
I wonder if we will start playing Dexys' "Geno" again?

We can hope!
That would be brill. Someone plz contact the club immediately.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 11, 2018, 03:49:34 PM
Great appointment, really looking forward to seeing where he can take us. he's been the fans' choice for a while now.

I just wish that little devil on my shoulder, shouting Graham Turner in my ear, would fuck of though.

Graham Turner took over a team of internationals and European champions, and had to rebuild our most successful team of the past hundred years. Smiffy is dealing with Championship players. It's a big difference.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 03:51:34 PM
Great appointment, really looking forward to seeing where he can take us. he's been the fans' choice for a while now.

I just wish that little devil on my shoulder, shouting Graham Turner in my ear, would fuck of though.

I did have a little wobble and mentally compare him with Graham Turner when he was appointed, but without wishing to have a dig at Doug on today of all days I do think Turner was brought in a Doug's 'yes man' with a remit to bomb out the Championship and European Cup winners who were big characters and more popular than Doug.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 11, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
Great appointment, really looking forward to seeing where he can take us. he's been the fans' choice for a while now.

I just wish that little devil on my shoulder, shouting Graham Turner in my ear, would fuck of though.

Graham Turner took over a team of internationals and European champions, and had to rebuild our most successful team of the past hundred years. Smiffy is dealing with Championship players. It's a big difference.
I have a little angle whispering another 'Brian Little' era in my ear!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 11, 2018, 04:01:12 PM
A little angle or a little angel? Either way let's hope so!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: DB on October 11, 2018, 04:05:10 PM
A little angle or a little angel? Either way let's hope so!

You would know how to spell it with your username !
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 11, 2018, 04:07:53 PM
Accurate article from The Metro. (https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/11/hes-not-as-glamourous-as-thierry-henry-but-dean-smith-can-rebuild-broken-aston-villa-8027746/)
What a superbly accurate article about our current position. He managed to avoid all the usual "old footballers stick together" cliches. How refreshing. "Bruce stuck to his tradition of putting square pegs in round holes" Brilliant. And he nailed us as a fan base with his "they will give him time" quote. We may have been a bit quick to turn on our managers from time to time but I honestly feel we will all "buy into" this latest attempt to put the club back on the big stage in world football. I know I am. Thanks for posting. UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 04:09:47 PM
Adrian Durham on Talksport has just said that at 4.15 they will be discussing whether Dean Smith should be allowed to leave one Championship club for another during the season. Obviously the answer is 'yes' as there is no rule against it but it should be an interesting debate.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 04:14:53 PM
Darren Gough says no club should be allowed to sack a manager during the season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 11, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
Adrian Durham on Talksport has just said that at 4.15 they will be discussing whether Dean Smith should be allowed to leave one Championship club for another during the season. Obviously the answer is 'yes' as there is no rule against it but it should be an interesting debate.

Well if they are talking about it we must still be important then.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: enigma on October 11, 2018, 04:23:38 PM
Happy with this. Smith did a great job at Brentford and got results while playing decent football. I know Terry retired from playing but any chance he could come back as player coach? We desperately need him on the pitch.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 11, 2018, 04:37:40 PM
A little angle or a little angel? Either way let's hope so!

You would know how to spell it with your username !
Haha! Absolutely! There are reasons why I am interested in such matters (other interests besides the Villa of course, include pain (masochism, sadism) souls (lost or otherwise), contracts, nakedness and hot climates)  ;-)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 11, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
A colleague who supports Villa but watches a lot of Walsall really rates Smith from his time at the Saddlers, so it's not as if he hasn't done well without the backroom set up he's had at Brentford.  As for Graham Turner comparisons, I doubt Pitarch will be countenencing signings in the mould of Simon Stainrod.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 04:56:30 PM
A little angle or a little angel? Either way let's hope so!

You would know how to spell it with your username !
Haha! Absolutely! There are reasons why I am interested in such matters (other interests besides the Villa of course, include pain (masochism, sadism) souls (lost or otherwise), contracts, nakedness and hot climates)  ;-)

Oh, Hi Fergal.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 11, 2018, 05:25:38 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1050419529858371585


"🎥 Dean Smith will meet the media on Monday from 4pm

You’ll be able to watch the broadcast press conference LIVE on our YouTube channel 👉 http://bit.ly/2gCsXCy"


Five days from appointment to presser is quite a while, isn't it?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyfouroaks on October 11, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
I am pretty neutral on this.

It seems like a decent appointment, and Smith has numerous positives, not least of which is knowing the Division.

I don't think that the team is as bad as recent results, nor that Bruce was that bad a manager.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john2710 on October 11, 2018, 06:14:44 PM
The thing I noticed about Brentford, other than playing attractive / progressive football, was that they were no pushovers. There was most definitely a nasty streak to their game, something that has been missing from us for a long time & very much needed in this league.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ez on October 11, 2018, 06:19:40 PM
New manager bounce will see us in the top 6
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on October 11, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
The thing I noticed about Brentford, other than playing attractive / progressive football, was that they were no pushovers. There was most definitely a nasty streak to their game, something that has been missing from us for a long time & very much needed in this league.


You were not alone in noticing that.  Yes, let's hope we show the same characteristics but with better players playing better football, aggressively. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 11, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
I know a Brentford fan as well

he said today that he doesn't know any other way but to play attacking football
his negative is he has no plan B (where have we heard that before) but he said he had no plan B apart from attacking football
late goals conceded and all that

he takes risks and will often do something to try and win a game and end up drawing or losing

I can live with that
I'm one of the few on here who refused to criticise Sherwood for going for it when 2 nill up at Leicester

i haven't been this season because it was just not worth it for me, nothing but respect to those who never give up but I couldn't take any more of it under Bruce

I have just bought two tickets today for me and my 10 year old, I feel it's safe to start taking him again

here's to having hope again

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 11, 2018, 06:30:39 PM
I reckon I can live with no plan B as long as plan A is trying to score shedloads of goals.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: DB on October 11, 2018, 06:42:02 PM
Has Richard O'Kelly joined?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 11, 2018, 06:46:14 PM
Same here John E. I haven't been to Villa Park once this season.
Looking forward to it again.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 11, 2018, 06:46:24 PM
New manager bounce will see us in the top 6

Yes please!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2018, 06:58:08 PM
Maybe Terry will help him with a plan B, I’m sure he’ll have some thoughts to add.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 11, 2018, 07:07:01 PM
Come out as a big U2 fan, presumably given this Parish, the 'Out' thread might come a little quicker? ;)

Amidst a very busy period of life, I also couldn't face travelling up to Brum to go see us so far this year.
Father & son will be reunited in the Holte a week on Saturday. Onwards & upwards.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 11, 2018, 07:07:52 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1050419529858371585


"🎥 Dean Smith will meet the media on Monday from 4pm

You’ll be able to watch the broadcast press conference LIVE on our YouTube channel 👉 http://bit.ly/2gCsXCy"


Five days from appointment to presser is quite a while, isn't it?
Not really he's probably a bit busy
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Herman on October 11, 2018, 07:18:55 PM
If he's a U2 fan, we should get rid. Obviously a wrong 'un
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 11, 2018, 07:35:10 PM
If he's a U2 fan, we should get rid. Obviously a wrong 'un

This is why it's taking so long for his first presser - he's spending that time playing Bonopoly, it's like Monopoly but the streets have no names.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 11, 2018, 07:53:30 PM
I know a Brentford fan as well

he said today that he doesn't know any other way but to play attacking football
his negative is he has no plan B (where have we heard that before) but he said he had no plan B apart from attacking football
late goals conceded and all that

Brentford had a weird system where success was not measured by goals/win/league place like the rest of the planet.  Smith was given other KPIs such as crosses made, passes completed in the final third as the basis of how he'd be judged.  The belief being that if the KPIs were achieved the results would take care of themselves.  Consequently there only was one plan anything else is likely to have inversely affected his chances of hitting his targets.

Weird? yes, but that's how Brentford roll.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2018, 07:58:19 PM
It kind of makes sense, because results should ultimately follow if you’re performing to particular standards. However an approach like that is heavily reliant on the method being spot on and your reading of stats being correct, a slight miscalculation will knacker the whole methodology.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Stu on October 11, 2018, 08:09:53 PM
After so many changes in the past 8 years, I'm pretty much inured to whatever is coming our way. Whatever happens, happens.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 11, 2018, 08:11:10 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for a different set of KPIs. If you want long-term success, sustained high levels of things like completed forward passes in the final third, crosses that find their man, corners won, shots on target, etc., will be more indicative of what will most likely come to fruition when compared to how often you've jammed your way to four points from two shots in a fortnight.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 11, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
I was thinking to myself last night that if it was Moyes who got the job it would have made think seriously about going to games. Waking to find out that Dean Smith had been appointed gives me hope and a good chance of seeing Villa play attacking football home and away.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: BoVillan esq on October 11, 2018, 08:49:35 PM
Wish him well.

Good to see John Terry back, hope he can instill some good defending mentality into the Villa defence, this should be a good grounding for him, if he turns out to be as good a manger as he was player then somebody will reap the rewards of this very talented bloke.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on October 11, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for a different set of KPIs. If you want long-term success, sustained high levels of things like completed forward passes in the final third, crosses that find their man, corners won, shots on target, etc., will be more indicative of what will most likely come to fruition when compared to how often you've jammed your way to four points from two shots in a fortnight.

I reckon we'll even be able to take a throw in and find one of our own players within a few weeks!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on October 11, 2018, 08:51:19 PM
I was thinking to myself last night that if it was Moyes who got the job it would have made think seriously about going to games. Waking to find out that Dean Smith had been appointed gives me hope and a good chance of seeing Villa play attacking football home and away.

The thought of Moyes is unthinkable. But having Terry back guided by DS who has got an established ethic and philosophy of how he wants his team to play is refreshing.
PS say hello to Craig Willis. I am one of his Birmingham mates ……..
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 11, 2018, 08:57:07 PM
Brentford create more chances than just about any side in the league. If an emphasis is placed on that for us, chance creation, then you'd feel that our superior forwards would see us finish games off that Brentford aren't.

If they'd have had Abraham, Kodjia or Hogan up top against Leeds, they'd have buried them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 11, 2018, 08:59:17 PM


A fitting week on Saturday would be a full Villa Park, in full voice to welcome Smith and to also pay tribute to old Deadly

Plus a well won 3 points and a bit of unity back on the stands
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 11, 2018, 08:59:39 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for a different set of KPIs. If you want long-term success, sustained high levels of things like completed forward passes in the final third, crosses that find their man, corners won, shots on target, etc., will be more indicative of what will most likely come to fruition when compared to how often you've jammed your way to four points from two shots in a fortnight.

I reckon we'll even be able to take a throw in and find one of our own players within a few weeks!

Don’t get carried away, CT.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2018, 09:36:56 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for a different set of KPIs. If you want long-term success, sustained high levels of things like completed forward passes in the final third, crosses that find their man, corners won, shots on target, etc., will be more indicative of what will most likely come to fruition when compared to how often you've jammed your way to four points from two shots in a fortnight.

I'd agree with this, it's all about efficiency, how well can you convert possession into chances, chances into shots and shots into goals.  In defence the reverse is true, you stop goals by limiting shots and you limit shots by not letting teams create chances. There's nothing groundbreaking to this, it's all pretty obvious but over the last 7-8 years we've had managers who've repeatedly ignored parts of this.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 11, 2018, 09:48:04 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1050419529858371585


"🎥 Dean Smith will meet the media on Monday from 4pm

You’ll be able to watch the broadcast press conference LIVE on our YouTube channel 👉 http://bit.ly/2gCsXCy"


Five days from appointment to presser is quite a while, isn't it?
Not really he's probably a bit busy

It's probably more to allow a period of quiet out of respect for the passing of Doug.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
Or because there is a lorry convention type thing going on at Villa Park (twas on Midlands Today).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2018, 09:55:16 PM
SKY Sport's and Talksport's Brentford supporting Natalie Sawyer is unhappy with Dean Smith leaving her club. I for one would be prepared to console her in any way she wished.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 11, 2018, 10:03:43 PM
That would be one long queue Damo.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 11, 2018, 10:04:40 PM
SKY Sport's and Talksport's Brentford supporting Natalie Sawyer is unhappy with Dean Smith leaving her club. I for one would be prepared to console her in any way she wished.

Must agree I think it would be my duty as a fellow football fan to help her through her frustrations.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for a different set of KPIs. If you want long-term success, sustained high levels of things like completed forward passes in the final third, crosses that find their man, corners won, shots on target, etc., will be more indicative of what will most likely come to fruition when compared to how often you've jammed your way to four points from two shots in a fortnight.

I reckon we'll even be able to take a throw in and find one of our own players within a few weeks!

I genuinely can't remember the last time I felt we did that well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 11, 2018, 10:30:15 PM
Throwins....schmowins!

I want to see a midfielder get further forward than our striker.
When we see a midfielder go beyond the striker will be the day we know we have arrived in nirvana.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2018, 10:58:04 PM
You lot want the moon on a stick!  The day I see a decent left back in a Villa shirt is the day I know we've finally turned a corner.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
You lot want the moon on a stick!  The day I see a decent left back in a Villa shirt is the day I know we've finally turned a corner.

Ah but you'll have to wait at least 3 months for that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on October 11, 2018, 11:07:43 PM
Leroy Rosenior talking about Dean Smith on sky. Speaks so much sense and says Smith will bring a cohesion to the team. Amazing when he played under Bruce but says Villa didn't have that
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 11, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
SKY Sport's and Talksport's Brentford supporting Natalie Sawyer is unhappy with Dean Smith leaving her club. I for one would be prepared to console her in any way she wished.

Must agree I think it would be my duty as a fellow football fan to help her through her frustrations.
...I would just fuck her fucking fanny off you twats!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 11, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
SKY Sport's and Talksport's Brentford supporting Natalie Sawyer is unhappy with Dean Smith leaving her club. I for one would be prepared to console her in any way she wished.

Must agree I think it would be my duty as a fellow football fan to help her through her frustrations.
...I would just fuck her fucking fanny off you twats!

Post of the Week.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 11:29:12 PM
In other ways of speaking of playing away Dean Smith Brentord hadn't won away from home all season
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 11, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
In other ways of speaking of playing away Dean Smith Brentord hadn't won away from home all season

He had a superb away record at Walsall last couple of seasons he was there, was often better than the home form so pretty MON esque.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 11, 2018, 11:37:35 PM
I would just fuck her fucking fanny off you twats!
You are Donald Trump and muscling in as another  celeb Villa fan.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on October 12, 2018, 12:25:21 AM
 clicky (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-smith-exclusive-new-aston-13399682)

Quote
“I also believe British coaches need to go and learn a lot more about what's out there as well. At Brentford, myself and (assistant) Richard O'Kelly brought in Thomas Frank, who was manager at (Danish club) Brondby, to help out on our coaching staff because he can bring us something different.

“We can learn from each other and Thomas has a different outlook, but like young players, coaches need to expand their horizons and keep challenging themselves – and that includes working in a different country.”
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JD on October 12, 2018, 01:36:59 AM
Great appointment, really looking forward to seeing where he can take us. he's been the fans' choice for a while now.

I just wish that little devil on my shoulder, shouting Graham Turner in my ear, would fuck of though.

Luckily mine is saying Ron Saunders.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hillbilly on October 12, 2018, 03:45:55 AM
Seems good on paper, I'll say it quietly, but Warburton looked good at Brentford and the wheels fell off once he left without the infrastucture brentford have in place to support him
To be fair, Warburton went to a club that was only 3 years old so understandably it was an unprofessional shambles.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 12, 2018, 05:48:54 AM
It's now a race against time. Bruce should've gone after the Sheffield United & Burton shambles. At least it would've afforded Dean Smith more precious time. Dean has inherited an absolute mess. Bruce should've been fired alone for letting Elphick go without a replacement lined up; perhaps the most ludicrous decision of his tenure!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 12, 2018, 07:31:25 AM
Maybe but in mitigation  the fact is that Elphick is utterly useless, letting that lad go to Port Vale was a bigger crime as was getting Axel back and playing him at right back. And letting Steer go. Etc.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 12, 2018, 07:44:43 AM
You lot want the moon on a stick!  The day I see a decent left back in a Villa shirt is the day I know we've finally turned a corner.

Are you Lee or Herring ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 12, 2018, 08:36:08 AM
I would just fuck her fucking fanny off you twats!
You are Donald Trump and muscling in as another  celeb Villa fan.

Or Bill Cosby.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 12, 2018, 09:14:43 AM
A few years ago I was at home for Christmas, I remember the exact year.  Villa were away to Stoke on Boxing Day and, having no booking record and not sure if you could get tickets without one, me and my lad went to Walsall who were playing Sheffield Wednesday who brought a great crowd with them so the atmosphere was good.

Wednesday went a goal up somewhat against the run of play as Walsall were playing some pretty neat football.  They kept plugging away and a couple of minutes into stoppage time equalised.  Far from shutting up shop, Walsall went for it and another minute or so later got a winner.  I think that's the attitude we can expect to see, at least I hope so.  Villa drew 0-0 btw.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2018, 09:15:43 AM
Maybe but in mitigation  the fact is that Elphick is utterly useless, letting that lad go to Port Vale was a bigger crime as was getting Axel back and playing him at right back. And letting Steer go. Etc.

Elphick wasn't utterly useless at all.  Not the greatest defender ever, but certainly better and more mobile than Jedinak.  He did perfectly OK in his few appearances last year.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 12, 2018, 09:33:50 AM
Looks like a decent crowd for his first game, just visited the ticket office and struggled to get two tickets together, they will make a decision on the upper tier of TR early next week.

Be nice for him, ay it?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 12, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
I did not realise Deano bought James Tarkowski , he can spot a player .
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 12, 2018, 09:47:24 AM
Maybe but in mitigation  the fact is that Elphick is utterly useless, letting that lad go to Port Vale was a bigger crime as was getting Axel back and playing him at right back. And letting Steer go. Etc.

Elphick wasn't utterly useless at all.  Not the greatest defender ever, but certainly better and more mobile than Jedinak.  He did perfectly OK in his few appearances last year.

yeah , I thought people said he did well when he came in for Terry injured. I still do not understand why he let RDL thou and bring some one else's player in on loan.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mattjpa on October 12, 2018, 09:51:58 AM
Maybe but in mitigation  the fact is that Elphick is utterly useless, letting that lad go to Port Vale was a bigger crime as was getting Axel back and playing him at right back. And letting Steer go. Etc.

Elphick wasn't utterly useless at all.  Not the greatest defender ever, but certainly better and more mobile than Jedinak.  He did perfectly OK in his few appearances last year.
Completely agree. He came with a good pedigree and a good work ethic. He dropped a couple of clangers in his first 4/5 games  which combined with being at a much bigger club and having much more pressure probably didnt help him. I always thought after his early blunders, he would get the odd chance here and there in cup games but always looked like he was playing as if he was on trial. Fat man must have shattered his confidence completely, this should have been his time here.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 12, 2018, 10:09:36 AM
I respect your view but to me he always looked like an accident that had happened.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
I didn't think Elphick was that bad either. Didn't he captain Bournemouth in their promotion season?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2018, 10:18:58 AM
I didn't think Elphick was that bad either. Didn't he captain Bournemouth in their promotion season?

I think he did Clampy.  Which probably means that he'd have done better under Smith than he would Bruce. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 12, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kipeye on October 12, 2018, 10:24:37 AM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.
Not so. He was pretty good when he first arrived and played well with Chester. He struggled later on and never recovered fully. Signs he can play -he has had good games-not just easy games. Good coaching and team structure would help any centre half. One thing no-one would criticise was his attitude.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 12, 2018, 10:40:30 AM
Maybe but in mitigation  the fact is that Elphick is utterly useless, letting that lad go to Port Vale was a bigger crime as was getting Axel back and playing him at right back. And letting Steer go. Etc.

Elphick wasn't utterly useless at all.  Not the greatest defender ever, but certainly better and more mobile than Jedinak.  He did perfectly OK in his few appearances last year.
Completely agree. He came with a good pedigree and a good work ethic. He dropped a couple of clangers in his first 4/5 games  which combined with being at a much bigger club and having much more pressure probably didnt help him. I always thought after his early blunders, he would get the odd chance here and there in cup games but always looked like he was playing as if he was on trial. Fat man must have shattered his confidence completely, this should have been his time here.

He made a decent start if I recall correctly, but then his confidence seemed to shatter and never really return.  I'm sure there were rumours that he had suffered some personal issues which I'm sure did not help and it was pretty clear that there were some issues between him and Bruce. 

One of the problems with playing Elphick and certain others is that Chester has to move across to the left side of central defence to accommodate them and he just doesn't look as comfortable on that side.     
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 12, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Totally agree re Chester - a left sided centre half and left back are the only signings we need to make in January.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 12, 2018, 10:55:39 AM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.

This was the final nail for me and Bruce. Not bringing in another centre half should have seen him sacked at that point
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 12, 2018, 11:03:20 AM
Elphick had a great attitude from the moment he arrived. You could tell he'd been a captain, he helped the other new players to settle in and did ok when he started playing. However, confidence issues dogged him. And as has been said, letting him go and having no replacement? Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 12, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.
Or the actions of someone trying to engineer himself  a 1.7 mill pay off....just sayin
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 12, 2018, 11:16:00 AM
Totally agree re Chester - a left sided centre half and left back are the only signings we need to make in January.
Two of each I'd say.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 12, 2018, 11:20:01 AM
Totally agree re Chester - a left sided centre half and left back are the only signings we need to make in January.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in for Rico Henry come January. Signed him/promoted him to the first team twice already, promising young left back who has played for England youth teams.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 12, 2018, 11:43:16 AM
Bruce's defensive selections and formation reminded me of Eric Morecambe's famous quote. At best he was playing all the right players but not necessarily in the right order.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 12, 2018, 11:48:56 AM
Totally agree re Chester - a left sided centre half and left back are the only signings we need to make in January.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in for Rico Henry come January. Signed him/promoted him to the first team twice already, promising young left back who has played for England youth teams.

Depends on the financial situation I suppose, but as I said before I would be surprised if we weren't in for Chris Mepham from Brentford in January.  Came through the ranks at Chelsea and is a bit reminiscent of John Terry in that he is a right footed centre half who can play on the left side of central defence and is comfortable on the ball.  Given his background, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has modelled his game on Terry's and so having him at the club would be a big draw.   
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 12, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
As much as I am very excited by the appointment of a coach and a DOF I do however have some concerns on some of the stats I have seen.

As much as we assume he plays attacking football his win ratio is not as impressive as I would of expected and he never emulated the league position his predecessor did at Brentford

I really hope that it works out for the guy and for us
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 12, 2018, 12:08:55 PM
He has overachieved with both Walsall and Brentford consistently. Forget win ratio that only counts if you have the resources at a club that can and should compete at the highest level in its League. Smith has never had that. At Villa he will either make or break. Let’s hope in two years time we are fighting off champions league clubs from snaring him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 12, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
I remember watching Elphicks debut thinking ‘he’s not up to much, I hope he’s got it in him to get better’

He didn’t. I don’t think I saw him have an impressive game, not his fault, we’ve made better players than him go to pot quickly.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 12, 2018, 12:14:59 PM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.
Not so. He was pretty good when he first arrived and played well with Chester. He struggled later on and never recovered fully. Signs he can play -he has had good games-not just easy games. Good coaching and team structure would help any centre half. One thing no-one would criticise was his attitude.

I remember him being pretty bloody awful from the start. He only had a brief spell last season when he was vaguely competent.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 12, 2018, 12:17:06 PM
As much as I am very excited by the appointment of a coach and a DOF I do however have some concerns on some of the stats I have seen.

As much as we assume he plays attacking football his win ratio is not as impressive as I would of expected and he never emulated the league position his predecessor did at Brentford

I really hope that it works out for the guy and for us

At Walsall he had issues finding a prolific goalscorer so they drew plenty of matches they dominated. Found Tom Bradshaw and that win percentage went up a fair bit in his last 18 months there.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 12, 2018, 12:17:13 PM
Totally agree re Chester - a left sided centre half and left back are the only signings we need to make in January.
A decent keeper too would be nice - although if the almighty defensive mess is remedied it may not be such an issue
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
He'd probably have finished even higher with Brentford if they didn't sell their best players every season. To have a 40% win percentage in division 2 with Brentford is a massive achievement, their most consistent finishes for 70 years.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 12, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
Should be a big crowd for his first game in charge. Swansea have sold out 2800.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 12, 2018, 12:23:56 PM
Should be a big crowd for his first game in charge. Swansea have sold out 2800.

Looking at our ticket selector for that game, there's not much availability left in the ground.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 12, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
I remember watching Elphicks debut thinking ‘he’s not up to much, I hope he’s got it in him to get better’

He didn’t. I don’t think I saw him have an impressive game, not his fault, we’ve made better players than him go to pot quickly.

From the few games he's played for Hull, they absolutely love him. Strange one.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 12, 2018, 12:46:05 PM
Should be a big crowd for his first game in charge. Swansea have sold out 2800.

Looking at our ticket selector for that game, there's not much availability left in the ground.

I’ve mentioned on another thread somewhere that I was in the ticket office earlier and struggled to get two together, had to move to the WL to get them. Lady said they would take a decision on opening the Upper Trinity early next week.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 12, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
I remember watching Elphicks debut thinking ‘he’s not up to much, I hope he’s got it in him to get better’

He didn’t. I don’t think I saw him have an impressive game, not his fault, we’ve made better players than him go to pot quickly.

From the few games he's played for Hull, they absolutely love him. Strange one.

Indeed it is strange. In terms of mobility he makes Mile look like Rudolph Nureyev.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 12, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
Upper Trinity now open for Swansea. Nice.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 12, 2018, 04:22:29 PM
Upper Trinity now open for Swansea. Nice.

Saw your post.
Rang to claim our old seats.

They've charged me extra money. They've not done that previously.

It's ffp gorn mad.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 12, 2018, 04:33:15 PM
Does anybody know what's been happening since the appointment? Dean Smith had prepared to do double training sessions with Brentford this and next week but I haven't seen anything to say he's been at Bodymoor Heath with the players yet. Maybe he's with Terry and O'Kelly planning and only starting with the players on Monday.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 12, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
Can't wait for next Saturday. I will have been at Ron Saunders first game but no idea what it was and I just hope we are now starting out on the same journey we had with the great man.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 12, 2018, 04:44:45 PM
Does anybody know what's been happening since the appointment? Dean Smith had prepared to do double training sessions with Brentford this and next week but I haven't seen anything to say he's been at Bodymoor Heath with the players yet. Maybe he's with Terry and O'Kelly planning and only starting with the players on Monday.

Apparently his first press conference is on Monday 4pm
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: shipscat on October 12, 2018, 05:40:26 PM
He was good till he signed for us, then shite. Like a 2010s Kinsella. I've no objection to Bruce getting rid of him. Not bothering to acquire a replacement when we had already lost Terry was lunacy, though.
Not so. He was pretty good when he first arrived and played well with Chester. He struggled later on and never recovered fully. Signs he can play -he has had good games-not just easy games. Good coaching and team structure would help any centre half. One thing no-one would criticise was his attitude.

I remember him being pretty bloody awful from the start. He only had a brief spell last season when he was vaguely competent.


However, that vague spell of 6/7 games coincided with Terry being injured...In my opinion he did well,and Chester and him had the provisional beginnings of a partnership.Which is what that position is about...As  others have alluded to,I suspect it got a little personal with Bruce for whatever reason and he was in the out column.

I think Elphick would have been pushing for a start under Smith,he's played in a ball playing team before and Smith has talked about leadership in all aspects on the pitch.We won't know now thanks to Bruce's call.



Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 12, 2018, 06:07:19 PM
Elphick Hourane Bree Lansbury Hogan Macormac all came to us having played some effective football elsewhere

Bruce didn't get the best out of any of them, I don't think he improved one player while he was with us

Bruce was such a poor manager if Smith decides to play any of them again I would be prepared to wipe the slate clean and have a new look are them playing in a proper football system under a better coaching set up

I think we might see a lot more from players even those who have been playing regularly with the new set up

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2018, 06:08:47 PM
It was 3 games that Elphick started while Appleyard was injured, Samba or Jedi started the others.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 12, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
He takes training on Monday too

There's a really interesting chat with a Brentford fan on the villa view podcast / YouTube. Well worth a listen. Got me pretty excited about po it what might be on offer

Nothing unexpected. But reaffirms that the appt is likely to be good for hogan, jack, bjarnason (Lansbury?), Bree.

Less so for jedinak, Hutton, Whelan you'd have thought

Managing the transition will be the tricky bit
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 12, 2018, 06:48:14 PM
I know optimism generally reigns with any new appointments but I can't help but be confdent of a big upturn in the fortunes of AVFC, both in the short and long term.  I  don't think Dean Smith will be overawed by this opportunity. He has implemented an attractive and successful approach to football for a years now. I think HDE did a tremendous job handing over to a billionaire he felt would take us forward. He wasn't to know the gormless twonk would take exception to the money he was hemorrhaging and paralyse us into this descent.  If the new owners have taken account of our recent and distant past then I  have an expectation that we can finally get this bloody shambles sorted.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 12, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
I’m optimistic for two reasons. Firstly that there appears to actually be a footballing strategy and structure in place at the club now. Secondly we have a Head Coach who has a clear vision in respect of how he wants play football, and most importantly he is actively involved in tactically arranging that method of play.
Villa have been crying out for a positive identity for years, and it looks like we’re heading in that direction.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 12, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
He takes training on Monday too

There's a really interesting chat with a Brentford fan on the villa view podcast / YouTube. Well worth a listen. Got me pretty excited about po it what might be on offer

Nothing unexpected. But reaffirms that the appt is likely to be good for hogan, jack, bjarnason (Lansbury?), Bree.

Less so for jedinak, Hutton, Whelan you'd have thought

Managing the transition will be the tricky bit

Those three are in the last year of their contract, so might move on quickly, perhaps January?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 12, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
I am overjoyed at the appointment of Deano and wish him all the very, very best.
I am also pleased at bringing back Terry, I think he will be invaluable in the dressing room.

But (are we allowed any buts yet)....I do have this very slight, nagging thought at the back of my mind.
The club has brought together 3 people, strangers to each other, in the expectation they will gell, and develop into a team.
We really have gone all out revolution rather than evolution.

I have confidence in Smith, I have confidence in Terry, but I  know feck all about Pitarch.

I just hope hope and pray that this gamble works and that they are able to form the formidable management team we so desperately need.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 12, 2018, 08:17:02 PM
I am overjoyed at the appointment of Deano and wish him all the very, very best.
I am also pleased at bringing back Terry, I think he will be invaluable in the dressing room.

But (are we allowed any buts yet)....I do have this very slight, nagging thought at the back of my mind.
The club has brought together 3 people, strangers to each other, in the expectation they will gell, and develop into a team.
We really have gone all out revolution rather than evolution.


I have confidence in Smith, I have confidence in Terry, but I  know feck all about Pitarch.

I just hope hope and pray that this gamble works and that they are able to form the formidable management team we so desperately need.

I think we'd reached a dead end, evolutionarily. 50 years ago, revolution was apparently the only answer. I feel we're in a similar place now. We couldn't keep on doing little more than rearranging the deckchairs.

If there wasn't an element of risk, it wouldn't be much of a revolution. I'd rather we took the plunge now than suffer a slow drawn-out retreat from significance.

¡Larga vida a la revolución!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 12, 2018, 10:23:24 PM
I’m optimistic for two reasons. Firstly that there appears to actually be a footballing strategy and structure in place at the club now. Secondly we have a Head Coach who has a clear vision in respect of how he wants play football, and most importantly he is actively involved in tactically arranging that method of play.
Villa have been crying out for a positive identity for years, and it looks like we’re heading in that direction.
Totally. Well said.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 12, 2018, 11:29:13 PM
I’m optimistic for two reasons. Firstly that there appears to actually be a footballing strategy and structure in place at the club now. Secondly we have a Head Coach who has a clear vision in respect of how he wants play football, and most importantly he is actively involved in tactically arranging that method of play.
Villa have been crying out for a positive identity for years, and it looks like we’re heading in that direction.
Totally. Well said.

We also have that air of professionalism about us now as well.  Purslow was excellent with the recruitment.  Not a word to the press and four really promising appointments with O'Kelly joining us now as well.  Class in John Terry coming back as he knows the club and is well respected by the players.  The club seems to have brought the fans back on board with one fell swoop.  They will be richer for it too with good attendances.  Just imagine what these owners could bring us if we ever get promoted.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Skerra on October 12, 2018, 11:58:05 PM
Welcome Deano, great to have you with us.
If they cannot get a new CB in before the Swansea match, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see JT putting his boots back on, at least until January.

Can we please also expect us to make a bit of a go of it in the FA Cup matches when they comes around.
Don't need to play all the first team but but would like to see a good mix rather than change all 11 players for these matches.

UTV!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 13, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
I’m optimistic for two reasons. Firstly that there appears to actually be a footballing strategy and structure in place at the club now. Secondly we have a Head Coach who has a clear vision in respect of how he wants play football, and most importantly he is actively involved in tactically arranging that method of play.
Villa have been crying out for a positive identity for years, and it looks like we’re heading in that direction.

Agree Paul, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Dean Smith has to be given time to turn things around due to the mess Bruce has left.  I would like to see a young, dynamic, good footballing, attacking side at Villa Park, but think the squad will need some work to achieve that.  I hope he is bold enough to make some decisions regarding who doesn't fit his style of play and we can move forward.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on October 13, 2018, 01:03:38 AM
Elphick Hourane Bree Lansbury Hogan Macormac all came to us having played some effective football elsewhere

Bruce didn't get the best out of any of them, I don't think he improved one player while he was with us

Bruce was such a poor manager if Smith decides to play any of them again I would be prepared to wipe the slate clean and have a new look are them playing in a proper football system under a better coaching set up

I think we might see a lot more from players even those who have been playing regularly with the new set up
McCormack scored in Australa yesterday but Usain Bolt scored twice in the same game. Let's sign Usain Bolt.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on October 13, 2018, 01:45:08 AM
on the outside looking in a strange choice considering the size of your club . thought you would have gone with someone who's been there and done it like our neil

just beat swansea next week i,m sure you'll understand

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 13, 2018, 03:54:41 AM
on the outside looking in a strange choice considering the size of your club . thought you would have gone with someone who's been there and done it like our neil

just beat swansea next week i,m sure you'll understand



I think we've already gone down the 'been there and done it' route, mate. And we didn't go anywhere and didn't do anything, unfortunately.

Smith will do just fine.

Good luck for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 13, 2018, 08:06:39 AM
I'm ridiculously excited for Swansea. I wish it was today!

We've got such good attacking players, the idea that we'll see some structure to our method and perhaps some decent football seems too good to be true.

40,000 down Villa and the chance of a new dawn.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on October 13, 2018, 08:08:03 AM
I'm ridiculously excited for Swansea. I wish it was today!

We've got such good attacking players, the idea that we'll see some structure to our method and perhaps some decent football seems too good to be true.

40,000 down Villa and the chance of a new dawn.

Yep.  And to top it off, the game will be my sons first one.  He will be hooked for life the poor little bugger!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 13, 2018, 08:12:13 AM
on the outside looking in a strange choice considering the size of your club . thought you would have gone with someone who's been there and done it like our neil

just beat swansea next week i,m sure you'll understand



I think we've already gone down the 'been there and done it' route, mate. And we didn't go anywhere and didn't do anything, unfortunately.

Smith will do just fine.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Colin is proving that while Jurassic Park football can be effective at getting you up, it's got no hope of keeping you there.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 13, 2018, 08:40:37 AM
I'm ridiculously excited for Swansea. I wish it was today!

We've got such good attacking players, the idea that we'll see some structure to our method and perhaps some decent football seems too good to be true.

40,000 down Villa and the chance of a new dawn.

Yep.  And to top it off, the game will be my sons first one.  He will be hooked for life the poor little bugger!

Please pass on my sympathies to your son.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 13, 2018, 08:49:24 AM
Lets not get carried away just yet, it'll just lead to disappointment. Just go there with the consideration that you might see a few chinks of light in terms of our attacking play and that we might sneak a win but no guarantees.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 13, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
Lets not get carried away just yet, it'll just lead to disappointment. Just go there with the consideration that you might see a few chinks of light in terms of our attacking play and that we might sneak a win but no guarantees.

Yep. It's an encouraging and exciting move but he's not going to change things overnight. I'd just be happy with the three points however they come and see what progresses from there.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 13, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
Hoping for "some decent football" is getting carried away?

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 13, 2018, 09:42:21 AM
of course not, it's a minimum expectation for any fan, but Pearl & Dean are going to need time to create sustainable entertainment
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chap on October 13, 2018, 09:46:11 AM
No,but having to change the two years of dullard football drummed into them by Bruce may take a little time!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 13, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
I know, but I can still look forward to a game and hope and expect better.

Decent football. Not sensational. Just decent, for now. And winning. Especially that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 13, 2018, 09:54:13 AM
Elphick Hourane Bree Lansbury Hogan Macormac all came to us having played some effective football elsewhere

Bruce didn't get the best out of any of them, I don't think he improved one player while he was with us

Bruce was such a poor manager if Smith decides to play any of them again I would be prepared to wipe the slate clean and have a new look are them playing in a proper football system under a better coaching set up

I think we might see a lot more from players even those who have been playing regularly with the new set up

He did improve Grealish, though clearly more by good man management than any tactical evolution. That’s one thing I’m grateful to Bruce for.

On another tack, why is John Terry called Appleyard? Missed something.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 13, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
Obviously would welcome a great result against Swansea but being realistic would be happy to see some thought put into team selection and style of play. With ticket sales going as they are it just shows there is massive potential there that has been stifled for years. Come on smithy unleash the lion and let it roar so loud that places like the Stu think there is an earthquake happening. Come on you fuckin lions.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rico on October 13, 2018, 10:21:54 AM
Very happy with the appointments so far. I think we must all be patient though. Bruce has left us with a makeshift defence and no decent goalkeeper, so unless the new management team can come up with some new options in defence then i can't see how we can improve in that department until the January transfer window opens up. Obviously playing people in their correct positions will be a start, but for now I'm just happy to be rid of Bruce and his anti - football.

No idea what  Appleyard refers to either.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 13, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Very happy with the appointments so far. I think we must all be patient though. Bruce has left us with a makeshift defence and no decent goalkeeper, so unless the new management team can come up with some new options in defence then i can't see how we can improve in that department until the January transfer window opens up. Obviously playing people in their correct positions will be a start, but for now I'm just happy to be rid of Bruce and his anti - football.

No idea what  Appleyard refers to either.

I think he is going to have to go with the Tuanzebe and Chester partnership at centre half until January.  They need to be given some time to develop a partnership and the chopping and changing needs to stop.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 13, 2018, 10:36:30 AM
Hoping for "some decent football" is getting carried away?



Not at all but expecting it after he's been coaching the team for five days might be

It is going to take time to get them playing how he wants

You are right though to be excited about the fact we have a manager who actually has a style of play, something which Bruce clearly did not
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 13, 2018, 10:51:44 AM
The other thing I am hoping for is to see him giving some of the young players the opportunity to prove themselves.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 13, 2018, 10:54:13 AM
The other thing I am hoping for is to see him giving some of the young players the opportunity to prove themselves.

Agree. Think the youngsters must have thought whatever we do Bruce won't really acknowledge us.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: fredm on October 13, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
I think the team selection for Swansea will be very interesting.  Although no doubt Smith will have some knowledge of our players, JT will have the inside knowledge of them all except McGinn and maybe will have a major input.  Due to them being scattered far and wide this coming week I would imagine Smith will only have Thursday and Friday to work with the squad and he won't be able to instill much change in them in that short space of time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 13, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
true but a near full VP and the new cat bounce factor will hopefully see us through
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 13, 2018, 11:35:17 AM
I'm sure he'll keep it all really simple and play them where they should be playing, other than Hutton.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a formation change with the likes of McGinn and Jedinak playing as the holding midfielders with Grealish in front of them.  Bolasie and either Kodjia or El Ghazi right and left and Tammy up top.  We all know that we are both short and weak defensively.  So, I expect him to keep it simple, Hutton stay at left back and Axel and Chester in the centre.  Really looking forward to the rest of the season, I don't think we will go up automatically but I hope that we trouble the play off's and put the Wembley disaster right.  That would be the perfect end to a season that promised so little when Bruce was interviewed in Portugal, to where we are right now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 13, 2018, 12:05:00 PM
it will take time to implement his football ideas into the team and also bring in his own type of players

but it won't take time to change the whatever it was Bruce was playing to a more attacking mindset

I'm with Ads I'm looking forward to it and expect a change of emphasis straight away no matter what the result
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 13, 2018, 12:16:54 PM
Really wish I was going to be at his first match, reckon it will be a cracking atmosphere.  Instead I will be in New York.  Hoping for better results than last time I was there, when we got dicked 8-0, 4-0 and 3-0.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 13, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
it will take time to implement his football ideas into the team and also bring in his own type of players

but it won't take time to change the whatever it was Bruce was playing to a more attacking mindset

I'm with Ads I'm looking forward to it and expect a change of emphasis straight away no matter what the result

Agree and what’s most frustrating is that when Bruce sent us out to play in an attacking mindset we looked brilliant. So it’s there, it’s in the squad. We have the players that while we look poor at the back we have ability to outscore any team. I’d like to see Dean come and unlock our creativity.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 13, 2018, 12:39:10 PM
Very happy with the appointments so far. I think we must all be patient though. Bruce has left us with a makeshift defence and no decent goalkeeper, so unless the new management team can come up with some new options in defence then i can't see how we can improve in that department until the January transfer window opens up. Obviously playing people in their correct positions will be a start, but for now I'm just happy to be rid of Bruce and his anti - football.

No idea what  Appleyard refers to either.

I think he is going to have to go with the Tuanzebe and Chester partnership at centre half until January.  They need to be given some time to develop a partnership and the chopping and changing needs to stop.

Tuanzebe is useless unfortunately. Going with them at least means we can push higher up the pitch and should keep the ball better. But every team in the division will have a field day launching high balls into our box.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 13, 2018, 12:54:24 PM
News conference live on Sky Sports News at 4pm on Monday, with Deano, Terry and Purslow.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 13, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
I don't expect everything to be perfect instantly, but I'd be very surprised if there weren't a very different feel to the team. Just a change of emphasis onto attacking will get so much more out of these players than Bruce's extremely basic, cautious approach.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 13, 2018, 12:59:37 PM
It's an opportunity.

The fan base seems to have rallied. People are excited about the football again, they'll be 40k plus on the gate for a 2nd division game at home to Swansea! If we can get a result, put in a performance too then maybe it might be the start of a bit of a wave to push us to where we want to be.

Hoping for a bounce.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on October 13, 2018, 01:11:54 PM
Wait till 2pm next Saturday when you see Jedinak is playing Centre-half ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 13, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
Small changes, like passing at a higher tempo and pressing higher up the pitch can come a lot quicker than you'd expect, 1-2 training sessions will make a noticable difference.

What will take longer is the movement off the ball to make the most of the space we're creating with the simpler changes.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 13, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Important to remember as well that these players weren't born under Steve Bruce. Yes, they'll have to learn to play a new way as a unit, but they will have individually played in different styles during their careers, so they're not starting from scratch.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 13, 2018, 01:40:14 PM
It will feel like a heavy cloud will also have lifted when the players have their first training session. The management and coaching team will bring respect and optimism.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 13, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
I think the team selection for Swansea will be very interesting.  Although no doubt Smith will have some knowledge of our players, JT will have the inside knowledge of them all except McGinn and maybe will have a major input.  Due to them being scattered far and wide this coming week I would imagine Smith will only have Thursday and Friday to work with the squad and he won't be able to instill much change in them in that short space of time.

True

I wonder if for both reasons (tiredness and lack of engagement with the internationals) he might put in more players that he's at least had a chance to work with for a week

Nyland

Bree Chester tuanzebe Taylor

Hourihane Lansbury / Whelan  grealish

Adomah / el ghazi Abraham Bolasie

Wouldn't be a major surprise to see someone like O'Hare in the squad as a bit of a statement of intent

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 13, 2018, 01:56:01 PM
is O'hare even fit, did he not have a bad injury ?

I remember Terry raving about O'hare,
he picked him out even above Grealish as one to watch for the future when he was asked if anyone had impressed him in the squad

so I wouldn't be surprised either to see him part of the things to come

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 13, 2018, 01:56:40 PM
He bagged a hat trick the other night. He seems fine to me
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 13, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
I'm cautious about the kids and when I saw O'Hare back end of last season he wasn't great

But he genuinely wowed me in those early cup games last year, as did JDH
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on October 13, 2018, 02:40:27 PM
I'm not expecting much to go much right until we have a transfer window to address the goalie and defence problems. Anything else is a bonus for me.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 13, 2018, 03:11:47 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 13, 2018, 03:36:21 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!
Yeah I heard that too. What a tool Dean Saunders has been regarding Bruce since his sacking. He's making himself look an idiot with his blatant disregard for the facts just to show support for him. It's the old pals act in full swing. It's a shame as I've always liked Dean Saunders before.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 13, 2018, 04:11:42 PM
I'm cautious about the kids and when I saw O'Hare back end of last season he wasn't great

But he genuinely wowed me in those early cup games last year, as did JDH


we will never know unless we try them and I think he will try them
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 13, 2018, 04:15:20 PM
I'm not 100% sure but something in the back of my mind makes me think that they are neighbours in the Cheshire area.  If so, Saunders won't let the truth stop his defence of Bruce.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 13, 2018, 04:26:14 PM
He bagged a hat trick the other night. He seems fine to me

not bad if he has a serious injury then,  imagine how many he'l get when he's proper fit 🙂
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 13, 2018, 05:21:53 PM
Could just be that Saunders is having empathy for another manager knowing what it's like to be in that position.

Is Chester back or is he still suspended?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 13, 2018, 05:27:21 PM
Chester is back
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 13, 2018, 05:31:26 PM
That's good, I thought he had a 3-game ban.

Bruce was never going to work with these new owners who seem keen to promote youth. The likes of O'Hare, JDH, Hepburn-Murphy may all fare better. He might want to recall Clark and Green in January too (I think season long loans have a recall option in January).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 13, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
To be fair, whilst Deano was a great striker he's been a crap manager everywhere he's been so I think we can politely ignore his opinion when it comes to managerial ability.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 13, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
He’s bloody dreadful as a co-commentator too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 13, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
In the Metro the other day he was asked about us after we'd sacked Bruce and he said "we'd be there or thereabouts".
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2018, 07:11:21 PM
Really wish I was going to be at his first match, reckon it will be a cracking atmosphere.  Instead I will be in New York.  Hoping for better results than last time I was there, when we got dicked 8-0, 4-0 and 3-0.
I will be in Lisbon so will not be able to attend. The last time I was in New York we beat the Kit Stealers 2-1.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on October 13, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!

The same Dean Saunders who -when we appointed Bruce - that he had no plan B and that we needed to move on from this "dinosaur management".
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 13, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!
Heard Deano earlier and he said the same in the week just after Bruce got the chop. I love Deano but boy does he love answering his own questions before anyone else is allowed a go.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 13, 2018, 08:14:17 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 13, 2018, 09:29:51 PM
Just found out Dean Smith is a fan of U2.

Smith out.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Londonvilla on October 13, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be

A bit too much Brentford but.......... I know a lot more about our new manager after watching it
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 13, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Just found out Dean Smith is a fan of U2.

Smith out.

I think you're confusing him with Chris Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 13, 2018, 09:57:18 PM
Thanks Tuscans.  Exciting times.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 13, 2018, 10:23:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Swansea game is something of an anti-climax.  I would just hope to see signs we are going to be playing on the front foot,  at a quicker tempo, getting it forward faster, committing players forward, and a fair bit of movement off the ball.  That would be a good start. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 13, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!

The same Dean Saunders who -when we appointed Bruce - that he had no plan B and that we needed to move on from this "dinosaur management".
Loved him when he played with us but he really is a bit thick. Not sure why a radio station would give him any airtime?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 13, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!

The same Dean Saunders who -when we appointed Bruce - that he had no plan B and that we needed to move on from this "dinosaur management".
Loved him when he played with us but he really is a bit thick. Not sure why a radio station would give him any airtime?

Because if TalkSport stopped using thick ex-footballers they wouldn't have any staff.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: walsall villain on October 13, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!

The same Dean Saunders who -when we appointed Bruce - that he had no plan B and that we needed to move on from this "dinosaur management".
Loved him when he played with us but he really is a bit thick. Not sure why a radio station would give him any airtime?

Because if TalkSport stopped using thick ex-footballers they wouldn't have any staff.
Stereotyping I know but I wouldn’t expect ex players to be very tuned in to politics but you’d expect them to have a grasp on football tactics and coaching. Many don’t. This is why the vast majority leave football when they finish playing.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on October 13, 2018, 10:55:50 PM
I think it’s starting to change though the influx of foreign managers is starting to change attitudes and knowledge of the game in this country which for too long was an isolated little island which thought it had nothing to learn from the rest of the world. You had the odd player or manager who went abroad but they were viewed suspiciously. Whatbreally needs to change is Managers/coaches going and doing it in much larger numbers.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 13, 2018, 11:30:17 PM
Just found out Dean Smith is a fan of U2.

Smith out.


I think you're confusing him with Chris Smith.

Outside, now!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on October 14, 2018, 12:34:58 AM
Boys and girls, it is changing. We have got a proper lad in charge who loves our club. Furthermore he wants his team to play good football.

Team next week;
 
John Burridge

Bree Axel Chester Taylor
       Mcginn
Bolasie  Jack Hourihane El-Ghazi/kodjia

Tammy
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 14, 2018, 02:55:03 AM
Let’s be having yah! Onwards and bloody upwards! Villa till we die! Pissed.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 14, 2018, 06:19:09 AM
For the second time this week Dean Saunders has been shot down by a Talksport colleague whilst trying to defend Steve Bruce. Saunders was saying where we would have been in the table if the penalty against Preston had gone in. This time it was bluenose Ian Danter, who pointed out to him that Bruce was playing players out of position, won one game in ten and had turned on the fans. Also, in the days since Bruce has been sacked Deano has either forgot what he said when Bruce was sacked or his faith in Bruce has actually gone up in recent days. When Bruce was sacked Deano said he should have been given until Christmas. Today he has said he should have been given until the end of the season!

The same Dean Saunders who -when we appointed Bruce - that he had no plan B and that we needed to move on from this "dinosaur management".
Loved him when he played with us but he really is a bit thick. Not sure why a radio station would give him any airtime?

Because if TalkSport stopped using thick ex-footballers they wouldn't have any staff.
The collective IQ of its audience is another factor.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: alftitimus on October 14, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2018, 08:18:59 AM
You’re an idiot.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villabear on October 14, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)

Nurse!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: thick_mike on October 14, 2018, 08:46:40 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)


I love the phrase, “THIS SODDEN CULTURE”. Sounds like a lost album by The Fall
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 14, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
Alf to consulting room five...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 14, 2018, 09:34:39 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)


"...£100,000 in used notes, underneath the spaghetti junction. COME ALONE, or he gets it"
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Des Little on October 14, 2018, 09:36:19 AM
Someone is still pissed from last night
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 14, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
Alf to consulting room five...

Now that made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 14, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
As an aside I would imagine most of us through our youth have wondered what it would be like to play for "our" Villa and to score a goal at the Holte end. That experience would stay with you for a lifetime.

Now fast forward to Saturday when Dean walks out that tunnel to take his place in the dug out. Nearly 40k of his own welcoming him to manage the team he loves.

What would any of us give for That moment?

I really hope we can get that first win for him
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 14, 2018, 10:01:15 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)





well this a new angle of concern I hadn't thought of ……….thanks
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)


I too enjoy a pint of wine at *squints* quarter past seven in the morning.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 14, 2018, 10:23:46 AM
The sheer eloquence of "you are at US now" just leaps gracefully from the screen.

The added gravitas of it being in bold stirs the heart, it really does.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2018, 10:25:13 AM
The capital 'D' on diving, when cheating was afforded no such honour, really adds to the overall post as well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 14, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
If it were underlined and maybe each letter made out of individually cut headlines from different news papers and magazines, then it would be a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 14, 2018, 10:46:11 AM
I think you should all quote it ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 14, 2018, 11:22:08 AM
If it were underlined and maybe each letter made out of individually cut headlines from different news papers and magazines, then it would be a masterpiece.

Made me chuckle! Nice one Ads.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 14, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
I think he’s right and you are all condoning cheating, you rotters.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 14, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
I think he’s right and you are all condoning cheating, you rotters.

Not really condoning it if they keep getting red and yellow cards for their, er, going to ground without being touched too roughly.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2018, 11:50:09 AM
Just found out Dean Smith is a fan of U2.

Smith out.
Oi!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)

Nurse!
All you lot taking the piss have had it when he wakes/sobers up later.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 14, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
I see the press conference with Dean Smith, JT & Purslow is live on Sky Sports News tomorrow at 4.00pm. Should be interesting - not many Championship clubs have that sort of coverage....Villa's profile has definitely been raised by these appointments!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 14, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
Our profile is already massive. 90% of our games get dicked around with for the telly as we are so annoyingly fucking Box Office.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 14, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
Our profile is already massive. 90% of our games get dicked around with for the telly as we are so annoyingly fucking Box Office.

A Box Office horror show under Bruce!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: DPA on October 14, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 14, 2018, 03:46:10 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be
I listened to this the other day.  You can tell the Brentford fan just loves Smith and he sounds genuinely excited to see what he can do with our squad.  After listening to I feel really positive about this appointment
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 14, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
There hasn’t been this level of genuine enthusiasm for a managerial appointment since 2006 and Martin O’Neill. Now we have a man who genuinely loves the club and above all that a very good man and manager. Excited to see what he is able to do.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 14, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
He will do us well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 14, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
He will do us well.

For him...for us.. for the club...I really hope it works out well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2018, 04:46:10 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be
I listened to this the other day.  You can tell the Brentford fan just loves Smith and he sounds genuinely excited to see what he can do with our squad.  After listening to I feel really positive about this appointment

Really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
Welcome Home Dean   :D

I figure .... .that over the coming months you will change THIS SODDEN CULTURE that we.ve had under Steve.

Let's utilise Jack... rather than picking spots to get fouled at, where Steve practised his 'set-pieces'..Jack is better used than that, surely.

And I won't be myself   ;D... if I don't mention ONE CONCERN
DIVING ! At Brentford and Walsall you had a Rep for "diving" players. More Yellow and Red cards against opponents  then any other clubs.

Just telling you Dean... that won't work at Us !

We know that Jack had to endure and invite the tackles that led to Steve's brainwave set-pieces. But NO MORE ! Let him loose ! !

AND... you are at US now.... No more cheating and Diving.

I welcome you, and will be watching your culture. You are with the Big Boys now....

 :)

Wow...I Hope you wouldn't mind if I "BORROWED" a phrase or Two from this?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 14, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2018, 05:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

Alternatively they looked for a manager who'll play a certain type of football and looked everywhere for him? Who gives a shit about the heaviness of the name, there was consistency in what they wanted. Has this guy forgotten the 'Martinez, no, McLeish' summer?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2018, 05:16:51 PM
However we had no evidence on type of football Henry would play.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
However we had no evidence on type of football Henry would play.

Something tells me it won't be two banks of four and long balls. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 14, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
Two things strike me about Brentford. 1) the idea that Smith was somehow underachieving with their squad, constantly picked clean and reinvented when they're a financial minnow in a league of sharks, and (2) the almost complacent adulation for "the system".

With regards to the latter it seems Smith was almost inconsequential given the all powerful "system". Never quite reconciling why Smith needed to turn up mid-way through a season following a Head Coach failing, seemingly despite "the system".

Maybe he's a bit better and played a significant role than they like to admit.

I agree with you Monty. We wanted a Head Coach who could play attacking football and work with a new DoF.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 14, 2018, 05:31:57 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be
I listened to this the other day.  You can tell the Brentford fan just loves Smith and he sounds genuinely excited to see what he can do with our squad.  After listening to I feel really positive about this appointment

Really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting

Me too. Wasn’t sure about Smith at all in the summer but Seeing this gives me some real hope we have got the right man for change
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 14, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
He can't change us overnight but if he can change us over weeks and months then that will do for me.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 14, 2018, 06:06:14 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

The article does raise some good points.  However thinking about it, there was consistency in our approach because all people targeted (if the speculation was correct) were coaches first and foremost, even Brendan.

He also asked what has changed from the summer to now, well if a coach based strategy was being prioritised then a DoF or a "system" to fit into is necessary.  That takes time to build and now we now have people in the right places for that to happen. 

None of the above guarantees success and I agree that we have been a basket case for too long, but with a fair wind, what the new owners have built in a short space of time is pretty decent (and about ten years too late).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on October 14, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

Sorry, but I also gave up before reaching the Dean Smith section. The Bruce discourse was so inaccurate that it debases the entire article.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on October 14, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
If our new owners hadn't taken time to consider alternative options then they would have been rightly criticised, so criticising them for going about it the right way by approaching a short list of identified management options rather than the same old same old has beens (which are pretty much the only ones who would offer a "consistent" style of football) is futile. You can't have it both ways, and it only came across as a mess because that's how it was played out in and by the media to fill their column inches.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 14, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Yep, me too. Utter nonsense. Why write about a subject if you have no actual idea?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 14, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Yep, me too. Utter nonsense. Why write about a subject if you have no actual idea?

Are you new to the internet mate?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 14, 2018, 08:40:21 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

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I listened to this the other day.  You can tell the Brentford fan just loves Smith and he sounds genuinely excited to see what he can do with our squad.  After listening to I feel really positive about this appointment

Really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting

About 90 mins of interviews with John Gregory on that site as well. Recommended
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 14, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Yep, me too. Utter nonsense. Why write about a subject if you have no actual idea?

Are you new to the internet mate?
Well my colleague at work now believes the earth is flat. Actually, he really does believes it. Fucking numpty.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 14, 2018, 09:59:15 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Yep, me too. Utter nonsense. Why write about a subject if you have no actual idea?

Are you new to the internet mate?
Well my colleague at work now believes the earth is flat. Actually, he really does believes it. Fucking numpty.

so where does he/she think we would all off then ???
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 14, 2018, 10:10:20 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

It lost me before I got to read about Dean Smith nearly. So utterly ignorant pish about us and Bruce.
Yep, me too. Utter nonsense. Why write about a subject if you have no actual idea?

Are you new to the internet mate?
Well my colleague at work now believes the earth is flat. Actually, he really does believes it. Fucking numpty.

so where does he/she think we would all off then ???
Ha ha! I'll ask him, I'm sure he's found the answer somewhere on Facebook.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 14, 2018, 10:19:49 PM
Listening to that Podcast, what comes to my mind is how much Smith sounds like Graham Taylor in terms of personality and style of play.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 10:40:49 PM
Listening to that Podcast, what comes to my mind is how much Smith sounds like Graham Taylor in terms of personality and style of play.

Personality for sure, but I'm not sure 'don't expect crosses' sounds much like SGT's style of play.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 14, 2018, 11:09:54 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 14, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.


oh I don't know saving us from going bust was a good start .  Smith has a track record at this level and is an up and coming manager and now has a Marquee assistant learning his trade ,  I am quite excited
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2018, 11:14:39 PM
Listening to that Podcast, what comes to my mind is how much Smith sounds like Graham Taylor in terms of personality and style of play.

Personality for sure, but I'm not sure 'don't expect crosses' sounds much like SGT's style of play.
Main thing is that Smith must stick to his belief and does not compromise either for owners or fans or after a visit to a coaching seminar in Munich/Madrid/Barcelona etc.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.

Yeah apart from stopping us going bust, bringing in players the envy of the division, looking we are finally set up like a modern day football club and bringing in a manager most fans are pleased with, what have they done for us the chancers!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
Not sure if serious.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 14, 2018, 11:48:49 PM
Listening to that Podcast, what comes to my mind is how much Smith sounds like Graham Taylor in terms of personality and style of play.

Personality for sure, but I'm not sure 'don't expect crosses' sounds much like SGT's style of play.
Main thing is that Smith must stick to his belief and does not compromise either for owners or fans or after a visit to a coaching seminar in Munich/Madrid/Barcelona etc.

That horse has bolted.  He's demonstrated (and one of the reasons for being appointed at brentford) was his willingness to implement plans/tactics that were dictated by overloads above him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 14, 2018, 11:58:07 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.

And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.

You mean the coach Smith spoke with and decided he wanted?

Or are you confusing Villa with Brentford and Terry with Franks, the coach the club "harpooned" on him?

 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 15, 2018, 07:35:16 AM
It's absolute folly if people think that Smith was so desperate to take the Villa job, but only if he allowed Terry to be part of his coaching set up.  Utterly ridiculous notion.   
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: wozwebs on October 15, 2018, 08:44:12 AM
Percy of the Telegraph has already said that Smith is totally on board with Terry on his coaching staff. What manager wouldn't want someone with such a close connection with the players and who has already won everything domestically and champions league helping him?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 15, 2018, 08:45:06 AM
There's a lot of lazy opinion out there about Terry from those on the outside of it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 15, 2018, 08:56:00 AM
I can see Terry happily coaching here and supporting Smith for 2 or 3 seasons before using the experience to go into management elsewhere. If during that time we get promoted and develop a clear style of attacking play then everyone's happy I presume.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 15, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Aqueduct?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 15, 2018, 09:46:36 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"


Peace?   ;)


Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 15, 2018, 09:56:18 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"

Sawiris eunt domus.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 15, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.

Spot on.  For all anyone knows, the Smith / Terry combination might have been their preferred choice from day one and they were just waiting for the appointment of the Director of Football before announcing it.  All the rumours written in the papers regarding other managers may well have been exactly that. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 10:04:00 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"

Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 15, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"

Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.
From Percy’s article in the Telegraph

“Villa were keen to bring Terry back but stressed to Smith during interview negotiations that the appointment was not a deal-breaker.

Smith held talks with Terry over the phone on Wednesday and decided adding the former England captain to his staff would be a huge boost for the players, who all admire him after his 12 months as a Villa player last season.”

Very much indicates it was in Smiths hands
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 10:22:14 AM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mattjpa on October 15, 2018, 10:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.

Spot on.  For all anyone knows, the Smith / Terry combination might have been their preferred choice from day one and they were just waiting for the appointment of the Director of Football before announcing it.  All the rumours written in the papers regarding other managers may well have been exactly that. 

We dont even know if Henry was offered the position. As far as i can summise, we highlighted a shortlist of managers we would consider - Henry, Faria, Smith, Rodgers and Terry. We then spoke to them in order of what would appear to be (and makes complete sense) their current situation and availability. Henry was not completely committed (understandably), Faria is on a break from the sport and wasnt ready to come back,  Terry deemed to inexperienced which left Smith and Rodgers - One of whom would be a better fit and who was approached first - the rest is History.

Apart from the week long BS media speculation and betting companies swinging the odds to make money, I literally cant think of any way in which it could have been better conducted
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 15, 2018, 10:44:33 AM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"

Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.




Surely one of the reasons they let Bruce go ??
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 15, 2018, 11:13:02 AM

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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 11:26:29 AM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2018, 11:47:53 AM

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I like the one with the big smile while signing , he looks so happy and proud.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 11:48:21 AM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.

Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?

Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2018, 11:50:06 AM
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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 15, 2018, 11:51:29 AM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2018, 12:01:59 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!

That is fucking superb!  Looks like a kid at his first day at school.  Brilliant!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on October 15, 2018, 12:21:40 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
4
And yet all options included John Terry harpooned in. Really hasn't been a good start from the new regime at Villa Park.
"Apart from :
saving the club from financial meltdown (Xia was selling off car parks)
keeping our prize asset and telling Daniel Levy to fuck off in the process,
Bringing in a highly rated and much needed CEO,
Giving Bruce the money to buy John McGinn,
Getting rid of Bruce and his mind numbing "style of play" ,
Bringing in a highly rated Sporting director,
Bringing in a highly respected coach who's known for attractive modern style of play,
Bringing in an assistant who knows the modern game inside out and has won everything you can in professional football,
And giving the whole club and fanbase a huge lift and sense of optimism,
I mean, apart from that brothers and sisters, what have the new owners ever done for us?"

Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

Think that says as much about Roy Keanes persona as anything.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 15, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!

That is fucking superb!  Looks like a kid at his first day at school.  Brilliant!





it really Is , welcome Deano I wish you all the bloody best  go on my son !!! x
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on October 15, 2018, 12:24:38 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2018/10/15/exclusive-villa-boss-dean-smith-wanted-old-pal-john-terry-as-coach/
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hillbilly on October 15, 2018, 12:49:55 PM

[/quote]

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.
[/quote]And yet, Cruyff, Capello, that baldly fella at Man City etc etc.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 15, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!

That is fucking superb!  Looks like a kid at his first day at school.  Brilliant!





it really Is , welcome Deano I wish you all the bloody best  go on my son !!! x

Indeed. Such a great picture!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2018/10/15/exclusive-villa-boss-dean-smith-wanted-old-pal-john-terry-as-coach/
@brontebilly. Please read this and drop it now? Especially the bit about "it's an exciting time for him and the club"
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)
The perfect example of a picture can mean  more than a thousand words. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 01:05:59 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2018/10/15/exclusive-villa-boss-dean-smith-wanted-old-pal-john-terry-as-coach/

Wonderful stuff.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)
Absoultely brilliant. Welcome Deano and you are living the dream my son. Good luck.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
His Press conference is live on SSN at 4.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 15, 2018, 01:21:45 PM
His Press conference is live on SSN at 4.
I presume JT will be there with him?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 15, 2018, 01:22:28 PM
His Press conference is live on SSN at 4.
I presume JT will be there with him?
Yes and Purslow
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 15, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Quote
Back to the pitch, Smith has a favourite role and player in the ten position, Romaine Sawyers. Sawyers followed him to Brentford from his time at Walsall and he’s a player that is pivotal to how Smith likes to attack. A number ten that controls the game on the edge of the opposition’s box.

And now he has inherited potentially the most exciting and able player in that position in the league!

Jack must be chuffed reading that
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 15, 2018, 01:34:19 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!

That is fucking superb!  Looks like a kid at his first day at school.  Brilliant!
Love it!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 15, 2018, 01:34:47 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)

Yes, I agree. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Stu on October 15, 2018, 01:38:02 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.

I have the same reservations about Dean Smith - in that his performances might just be as much down to how Brentford operate as a club as much as his managerial skills.

The rest of it is plain bollocks though - Bruce was shite and should have done better with the squad at his disposal. Outdone by a one dimensional Cardiff side and a filthy Fulham side in the play off final. Both are getting found out in the Prem right now - absolute garbage teams.

Finally, this paragraph made me LMAO:

'I do see a similarity in how Smith may use the ineffective Grealish but that is probably giving the Villa hierarchy too much credit in the foresight department. Villa do have a player that with the right coaching should be devastating and he can mature into as an effective weapon as Sawyers has been for Brentford.'
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 01:53:43 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)

Yes, I agree. Jesus Christ.

Jesus said that? Wow.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 01:55:19 PM
Deano

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 15, 2018, 02:08:19 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/ds%202_zpscg8rp6qd.jpg.html)

"Look  at me mom!"

He couldn't look prouder if he tried!

Brilliant photo.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on October 15, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
Just heard the first interview and have to say massively impressed by his comments. You can tell how chuffed he is to be at Villa, can't wait for Saturday now
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 15, 2018, 02:16:56 PM
I don't want to sound all schoolgirl.........but I fucking love him already
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 15, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Deano



Great interview.
Sounds proud as punch.

I think he'll have shivers down his spine when he walks out Saturday
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 02:46:36 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)
Stop what? I thought your comment was unnecessary and I called you on it. Why question the strategy of our new owners? None of us know what went on with the recent appointments as they conducted themselves impeccably and professionally. We should all be eternally grateful that they came along when they did because make no mistake we we're up shit creek. We should all just look forward to an exciting time for AVFC. There is no merit in looking for any negatives right now. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)

Yes, I agree. Jesus Christ.
You agree with him having a go at the very people who have saved our club from financial meltdown? Fair enough.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 15, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
When the questions are largely that inane and the answers are so good - that's a very good sign.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: London Villan on October 15, 2018, 03:05:24 PM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2018, 03:29:39 PM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
This of course!

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 15, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/davidanderson_1/status/1051027246109118466?s=21 Worth a read on Dean Smith Villa fans, from a Brentford fan in peace.
I have to agree with criticism of our strategy to replace Bruce. From considering Marquee names like Henry to heavyweights like Rodgers and ending up with salt of the earth smith does seem a bit strange.
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.

Spot on.  For all anyone knows, the Smith / Terry combination might have been their preferred choice from day one and they were just waiting for the appointment of the Director of Football before announcing it.  All the rumours written in the papers regarding other managers may well have been exactly that. 

We dont even know if Henry was offered the position. As far as i can summise, we highlighted a shortlist of managers we would consider - Henry, Faria, Smith, Rodgers and Terry. We then spoke to them in order of what would appear to be (and makes complete sense) their current situation and availability. Henry was not completely committed (understandably), Faria is on a break from the sport and wasnt ready to come back,  Terry deemed to inexperienced which left Smith and Rodgers - One of whom would be a better fit and who was approached first - the rest is History.

Apart from the week long BS media speculation and betting companies swinging the odds to make money, I literally cant think of any way in which it could have been better conducted

Absolutely Matt.  We simply don't know how the hiring process was conducted or indeed who was interviewed.  The press and bookmakers were all over the place with speculations, but that doesn't mean the club were. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 15, 2018, 03:34:54 PM
Just read his favourite band is U2...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Just read his favourite band is U2...

Smith out
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: luke95 on October 15, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
Any links for the press conference for those not sky friendly ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 15, 2018, 03:49:54 PM
Any links for the press conference for those not sky friendly ?
Its being streamed on youtube.



Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 15, 2018, 03:50:11 PM
Any links for the press conference for those not sky friendly ?

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 15, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...

Your one of our own
Your one of our own
Dean Smith
Your one of our own
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Moose on October 15, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
He used the word holistic....Bruce probably thinks that's a Croatian right back!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: BC54 VFC on October 15, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
D
He used the word holistic....Bruce probably thinks that's a Croatian right back!
;D ;D Great interview; came over very well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 04:18:53 PM
You have no idea what the new "strategy" was in replacing Bruce. You have seen speculation in the media about other managers the same as the rest of us. For all you know the Smith/Terry duo was their aim from day one. If you do have some inside knowledge on the new owners feel free to share it but you will be asked to provide some kind of evidence by everyone on here.
Stop it please it was just a passing comment on a discussion forum. I didn't realise I was standing up in Court:)
Stop what? I thought your comment was unnecessary and I called you on it. Why question the strategy of our new owners? None of us know what went on with the recent appointments as they conducted themselves impeccably and professionally. We should all be eternally grateful that they came along when they did because make no mistake we we're up shit creek. We should all just look forward to an exciting time for AVFC. There is no merit in looking for any negatives right now. In my opinion.
Yes ok. As you said it’s your opinion and I have a right to comment on an article. That’s all.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 15, 2018, 04:21:10 PM
Great interview
Thought Purslow came across well, too
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 04:24:02 PM
No hesitation no weasel words no platitudes that’s Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 15, 2018, 04:27:02 PM
No hesitation no weasel words no platitudes that’s Dean Smith.

So refreshing but there again he hasn’t had to defend our incompetent players yet!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 15, 2018, 04:28:46 PM
Purslow, now there's a man who chooses his words carefully.

It was all pretty low key, nothing special and that's just how it should be. Now on to Saturday.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 15, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
How many times did they say we need work hard and earn the right? Is this the new ‘roll our sleeves up’?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 15, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
A nice start. Good and steady and not overplaying the Villa fan bit, infact he seems to be downplaying it.
What was very interesting was Purslow. I thought he came across as incredibly professional and measured.
His comments on finances were particularly interesting, he obviously fully understand the implications of FFP as he was involved in the drafting of the rules,  and it really sounds like the club have got a solid grasp of what we can and can’t do, and we can still do some stuff.
It’s going to be a fascinating few months.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 15, 2018, 04:33:35 PM
Didn't realise we had so many internationals if he was only coaching 13 players today!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dr Butler on October 15, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Welcome Dean, Richard and Terry

do ya best

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 15, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
Came across well, and is clearly much more intelligent than Bruce. Purslow seemed competent, and was far less oily than Wyness who always seemed a bit spivvy.

Pleased.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 15, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
A nice start. Good and steady and not overplaying the Villa fan bit, infact he seems to be downplaying it.
What was very interesting was Purslow. I thought he came across as incredibly professional and measured.
His comments on finances were particularly interesting, he obviously fully understand the implications of FFP as he was involved in the drafting of the rules,  and it really sounds like the club have got a solid grasp of what we can and can’t do, and we can still do some stuff.
It’s going to be a fascinating few months.
I agree with this 100%

Clearly he and the clubs owners (and I would imagine army of business lawyers) would have a huge understanding of the rules and how we can "use" them to our gain.  Interesting there was no mention of Dr Tony so safe to assume he has taken his money and gone.

Most clubs supporters would cut a limb off to have a sniff of a billionaire owner - we are on our 3rd and this time the whole structure has a different feeling about it - these are top professionals and Purslow  smacks of a very driven CEO

bring it on
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 15, 2018, 04:42:21 PM
Didn't realise we had so many internationals if he was only coaching 13 players today!

I'm guessing that Nyland Chester McGinn Hourihane Hogan Bolasie BB Kodjia Abraham are all away and won't be back until Weds/Thurs 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 15, 2018, 04:46:32 PM
https://twitter.com/wittonroad/status/1051860516661092352?s=21
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on October 15, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Enjoyed how both came across and sounded very professional. Nice to hear we're starting to act like a "modern" football club and good news about FFP too if true.

Bore off the int break, I'm buzzing again now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 15, 2018, 05:02:11 PM



Enjoyed that. Both came across well. Let's just take it from here and one game at a time now and see where we are come May
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Interesting that Terry was excluded from the press conference having been previously mentioned he'd be attending. Smart move in my book. Happy the way DS said both Terry and O'Kelly are a major part of the decision making. Bibs and Cones they ain't. In his earlier interview he spoke about how O'Kelly challenges him and helps him improve. We seem to have a very clever set up and I for one am delighted the three are onboard.

Final word on Purslow. Never has a truer word been spoken, the most important man at the (or any) club is the Manager/Coach. Like him, I feel we've got the right man leading us.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 05:22:03 PM
Didn't realise we had so many internationals if he was only coaching 13 players today!
He's realised the size of the task now as they were all right backs.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 15, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
The Villa aeroplane is on the runway.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 15, 2018, 05:28:46 PM
Interesting that Terry was excluded from the press conference having been previously mentioned he'd be attending. Smart move in my book. Happy the way DS said both Terry and O'Kelly are a major part of the decision making. Bibs and Cones they ain't. In his earlier interview he spoke about how O'Kelly challenges him and helps him improve. We seem to have a very clever set up and I for one am delighted the three are onboard.

Final word on Purslow. Never has a truer word been spoken, the most important man at the (or any) club is the Manager/Coach. Like him, I feel we've got the right man leading us.

The way he spoke about JT involvement and the phone call.
How I read into it was that It sounded as if JT is quite humble and wiling to work, but Dean expects JT to 'challenge' him like O'Kelly.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 15, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Very much seems like Smith has a democratic style of management whereas Bruce was autocratic
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: passport1 on October 15, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
The Villa aeroplane is on the runway.

Now can anyone find the engine?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 15, 2018, 05:57:54 PM
15th in the championship and at home to Swansea. Possible sell out crowd...42k....noses,pie eaters and dingles....watch it and weep.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: johny on October 15, 2018, 05:58:23 PM
Absolutely buzzing. I have a feeling we might at long last have a proper manager. C'mon You Lions!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on October 15, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
Both came accross very well, articulate and thoughtful with the words they used.

In Smith we have found a down to earth and hopefully pragmatic coach who can get us playing attacking and winning football.

Purslow says the slate is clean financially, which I’m not sure it is although as he said he was involved in FFP before it came to pass so knows  more than most you would hope!

Exciting times
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 15, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
The Villa aeroplane is on the runway.

Now can anyone find the engine?

Brontebilly won't.

The aeroplane is being fuelled. Let's hope we start taxiing by the end of the month and the pilot pisses over the Sty on his next trip to Majorca.

Smith looks alright to me. A bit rabbit in headlights but I have something similar at work currently. It all settles down in the end.

Welcome Dean. Play proper attacking football with a plan and don't be shit! 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2018, 07:15:39 PM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/jy%203_zpsio9ttyjd.jpeg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/jy%203_zpsio9ttyjd.jpeg.html)


my mum told me to get Hazard
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 15, 2018, 07:22:13 PM
There's a little Villa podcast on youtube that some might of watched/ heard. Has a bloke from Soccer AM on there who's a Brentford fan giving some views and opinions on Dean Smith, quite interesting.

&feature=youtu.be
I listened to this the other day.  You can tell the Brentford fan just loves Smith and he sounds genuinely excited to see what he can do with our squad.  After listening to I feel really positive about this appointment

Really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting

About 90 mins of interviews with John Gregory on that site as well. Recommended
Thanks! Great interview with the Brentford fan from Soccer AM - I thought he came across really well. Brentford averaged 10,000 fans last year (2nd from bottom after Burton - not sure how many the away end holds?) which only shows how well run/managed they are to be able to compete at the level they do.

On a different subject the 3 part interview with Brian Little on their site is fab!! In it amongst many things he talks about the importance of his coaching team of John Gregory and Allan Evans and how he missed John when he left (but that he wanted John to be a manager) which made me think of todays new coaching set up. I'm not the greatest Appleyard fan but just looking at him last year he conducted himself extremely well (even if on the playing side he was prone to some defensive mistakes/errors that seemed to overlooked/ignored by many on here). I really hope that professionalism continues and if so I see no reason that he won't be a great coaching assistant to Dean Smith. Exciting times! UTV!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CJ on October 15, 2018, 07:29:55 PM
Just watched those interviews. After Bruce's last game I posted on here that I couldn't remember what it was like to enjoy football. Having watched the interviews I can't remember the last time I felt so positive and happy to be looking forward to positive, entertaining football and good times round the corner.  The new owners have put everything in place to bring the good times back to the club. Hats off to all involved
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 15, 2018, 07:57:38 PM
Really positive that FFP might not hamper us in January. Really excited that Messi and Naymar would be in defence for us....then I realised that Mr.Bruce wouldn't be in charge..Well thank you to the cabbage thrower that ruined my chances of seeing those two at the back for villa.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on October 15, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
After watching that 20 minutes with Dean and Christian, I can honestly say I haven't been this positive about our club in a long old while.

It's clear we're being modernised from top to bottom.

I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I thought they both came across really well and I can't wait for Saturday!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 15, 2018, 08:06:10 PM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
This of course!

That’s marvellous  :)

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 08:08:57 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on October 15, 2018, 08:16:43 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

Yep, my lad is one of those youngsters. All he's known is utter garbage. I'm hoping this is just the start!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 15, 2018, 08:33:07 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

Yep, my lad is one of those youngsters. All he's known is utter garbage. I'm hoping this is just the start!
Mine too. There's a whole generation of young villa fans who have only ever known us being shite. I hope and pray that this is the start of all that changing.
 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 15, 2018, 08:36:29 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

Yep, my lad is one of those youngsters. All he's known is utter garbage. I'm hoping this is just the start!

My daughter has only ever witnessed shit apart from the odd match. Don't k ow how she will take it if we become entertaining and successful. Only get a point at old Trafford...We might wish for the Bruce days again.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2018, 08:48:44 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

What is pretty gob smacking is that even in our most successful period of late, the MON years, if you only watched us at home, you' have seen mostly shit football even then, as it was the away stuff that was exciting to watch.

As discussed ad infinitum, at the time ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 15, 2018, 09:03:28 PM
Imagine an organised football team who knows what it's doing? With the players we have, and a bit of strengthening to come in January, the second half of the season, I fancy us to do a Fulham.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on October 15, 2018, 09:06:56 PM
The Villa aeroplane is on the runway.

Jettison some of the excess baggage (I am looking at you Richards) and we might take off at the first attempt.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 15, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
Imagine an organised football team who knows what it's doing? With the players we have, and a bit of strengthening to come in January, the second half of the season, I fancy us to do a Fulham.
Hope you are right  ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 15, 2018, 09:23:30 PM
I wouldn't mind hijacking the Ryan Woods to Stoke City transfer.   Him and a decent centre back and I think we are a match for anyone. I'd like to see Woods, Grealish and McGinn as the central three midfielders.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 15, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
As time goes by, I become more and more convinced that there's absolutely no way that all this can be anything other than a resounding success.

Long live the revolution, bab.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 15, 2018, 09:45:05 PM
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

Yep, my lad is one of those youngsters. All he's known is utter garbage. I'm hoping this is just the start!
I think it will soon become clear that we've been run prehistorically for years.

I've said many times on here, the day we start seeing regularly a good Villa side we'll wonder how we put up with so much crap for so long. There must be youngsters on here and within our fanbase that have only witnessed shit football. Finally we get to join the 21st century, it's long overdue.

Yep, my lad is one of those youngsters. All he's known is utter garbage. I'm hoping this is just the start!

My daughter has only ever witnessed shit apart from the odd match. Don't k ow how she will take it if we become entertaining and successful. Only get a point at old Trafford...We might wish for the Bruce days again.

add my 10 year old to the list

it got to the point where i didn't even tell him we were playing some times,
 he has known nothing but Villa playing crap football week in and out

just booked tickets for Swansea at home and QPR away,
 i want him to love Villa not hate us and was scared to take him hopefully now is the time its safe to start going again
our first games this season
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 09:50:40 PM
I liked "I will take advice and I will take opinions but I will make my decision and when we walk out it's our decision" . A bit of Cloughie there.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 15, 2018, 10:46:57 PM
Was reading some stuff on Dean Smith about his belief in the 4 R’s:

Receiving skills
Releasing skills
Running skills
Retention skills

What a refreshing change it will be for our players when compared to Bruce’s 4 R’s

Roll up sleeves skills
Ready to boot it long skills
Resist change skills
Ready with blame and excuse skills
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on October 15, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Well, if Dean Smith the Vila fan from Great Barr with John Terry by his side can't get them fired up, I don't know what can.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 11:07:23 PM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.

Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?

Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.

Go through the 92 managers in the league and see how many of them had stellar playing careers. The highest ranked British one is Mark Hughes and arguably very fortunate to still have a job. Medals as a player mean absolutely nothing, Klopp, Emery, Mourinho, Sarri all achieved very little as players.

To pick a handful of players of Terry's stature; Robson, Adams, Ince, Shearer. All leaders on the pitch but clowns on the sideline. The English game has been plagued by ex players being parachuted into management roles based on their playing reputation alone. Which is why it's great to see Dean Smith get a chance but Terry doesn't fit at all. The first pressure that Smith faces and Terrys buddies in the media will be pushing his chances of taking over.

Assistant, yes hopefully he will behave himself and be very much under the radar. But this is the same guy as a player that tried to lead a coup against Capello at the 2010WC and publicly get his mate Joe Cole in the side. Not to mention the numerous off field escapades he has been involved in that speak very poorly of his character. Great player but that will matter for little trying to organise our back four on the training field.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 15, 2018, 11:07:59 PM
Seems like an honest man, it feels really good to have a birmingham born villa fan as a manager.

Iam really exicted too see what he can achieve with Villa.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 15, 2018, 11:31:50 PM
Why doesn't Terry fit? Who are Terry's buddies in the media?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 15, 2018, 11:44:25 PM
John Terry has not been parachuted in based on his paying career. Whatever the full reason why he has been given the job, I suspect that high up on the list is the fact that the team has fallen to pieces since the day he left.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 15, 2018, 11:47:51 PM
John Terry has not been parachuted in based on his paying career. Whatever the full reason why he has been given the job, I suspect that high up on the list is the fact that the team has fallen to pieces since the day he left.
Playing career?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 15, 2018, 11:56:03 PM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.

Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?

Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.

Go through the 92 managers in the league and see how many of them had stellar playing careers. The highest ranked British one is Mark Hughes and arguably very fortunate to still have a job. Medals as a player mean absolutely nothing, Klopp, Emery, Mourinho, Sarri all achieved very little as players.

To pick a handful of players of Terry's stature; Robson, Adams, Ince, Shearer. All leaders on the pitch but clowns on the sideline. The English game has been plagued by ex players being parachuted into management roles based on their playing reputation alone. Which is why it's great to see Dean Smith get a chance but Terry doesn't fit at all. The first pressure that Smith faces and Terrys buddies in the media will be pushing his chances of taking over.

Assistant, yes hopefully he will behave himself and be very much under the radar. But this is the same guy as a player that tried to lead a coup against Capello at the 2010WC and publicly get his mate Joe Cole in the side. Not to mention the numerous off field escapades he has been involved in that speak very poorly of his character. Great player but that will matter for little trying to organise our back four on the training field.

I disagree. Far from plagued, we have nowhere near enough of our top players going into management or coaching. If you take out Ferguson protégés, there's, like, virtually fucking none.

You're probably right in that those that do get parachuted in do so on name alone, but Terry gives the impression of being serious about this, that he's looking at this as career progression rather than just something to fill his days now he's stopped playing. I hope he blasts all of our expectations sky fucking high.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VancouverLion on October 16, 2018, 12:09:33 AM
I liked "I will take advice and I will take opinions but I will make my decision and when we walk out it's our decision" . A bit of Cloughie there.
I picked up on this too, brilliant stuff.

Listening to Geno by the Dexy's and reading this thread full of optimism, let the good times roll, I for one can't wait!

In Deano we trust.
UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 16, 2018, 05:53:11 AM
I liked "I will take advice and I will take opinions but I will make my decision and when we walk out it's our decision" . A bit of Cloughie there.
I picked up on this too, brilliant stuff.

Listening to Geno by the Dexy's and reading this thread full of optimism, let the good times roll, I for one can't wait!

In Deano we trust.
UTV

Quite. I'm convinced this is the right guy.

Very excited.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2018, 06:41:38 AM
Same here.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 16, 2018, 06:55:00 AM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
This of course!



He once-cleaned-seats and he watched-from-the-stands, at the club. Oh Deano.
A Vill-a fan and now he's-the-man. Ooooh Deano.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 16, 2018, 07:47:29 AM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.

Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?

Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.

Go through the 92 managers in the league and see how many of them had stellar playing careers. The highest ranked British one is Mark Hughes and arguably very fortunate to still have a job. Medals as a player mean absolutely nothing, Klopp, Emery, Mourinho, Sarri all achieved very little as players.

To pick a handful of players of Terry's stature; Robson, Adams, Ince, Shearer. All leaders on the pitch but clowns on the sideline. The English game has been plagued by ex players being parachuted into management roles based on their playing reputation alone. Which is why it's great to see Dean Smith get a chance but Terry doesn't fit at all. The first pressure that Smith faces and Terrys buddies in the media will be pushing his chances of taking over.

Assistant, yes hopefully he will behave himself and be very much under the radar. But this is the same guy as a player that tried to lead a coup against Capello at the 2010WC and publicly get his mate Joe Cole in the side. Not to mention the numerous off field escapades he has been involved in that speak very poorly of his character. Great player but that will matter for little trying to organise our back four on the training field.
I'm guessing your a glass is half empty kinda guy? You seem to be working really hard to find negatives while the rest of us are excitedly looking forward to the future with hope in our hearts again. There's no real proof that this new set up will work, just hope. And that's enough for now. So much so that I'm taking my brother to the match on Saturday who hasn't been to a game in 8 years since he got knocked over and was seriously injured. We're both looking forward to a great  day out on Saturday. It may all go tits up who knows? But you can't help getting excited by what might be happening at Villa Park. Well most of us can't.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
To be honest, I'm wondering how Terry is going to fit in with this as well, especially with Richard O'Kelly there but let's see how it goes. Hopefully, it will be a massive success.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Allan C on October 16, 2018, 07:56:56 AM
Why doesn't Terry fit? Who are Terry's buddies in the media?
Terry most definitely fits IMO. He’s one of the “new breed” of ex players who are thinking about the game, played under and learnt from the coaches who have brought the kind of football that is exciting to watch. That’s why IMO he, with Lampard and Henry, will do well in the role.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2018, 07:58:08 AM
I wouldn't say that Terry has a lot of media buddies.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 16, 2018, 08:21:51 AM
To be honest, I'm wondering how Terry is going to fit in with this as well, especially with Richard O'Kelly there but let's see how it goes. Hopefully, it will be a massive success.

exactly where I am with it to

he's a strong character,
 he's seen his buddies go straight into number 1 spots, and he is joint number 2 with a up and comer who's done well at a couple of small clubs

I'm all for it though, he knows the players already and is a strong motivational leader, so if it works it will be fantastic for us as long as it lasts

but no one really knows how it will play out and we are all surmising

The biggest change for me is we have gone from no hope to hope
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 16, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
This of course!



He once-cleaned-seats and he watched-from-the-stands, at the club. Oh Deano.
A Vill-a fan and now he's-the-man. Ooooh Deano.

I'm not bein' flash, It's what I'm built to do - Deano
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2018, 08:42:23 AM
If Stevie Me and Lampard walked into jobs, Terry could have done as well.

He's decided to learn from Smith. Smith said he seemed humble and was a bit unsure about what he ought to get involved in, when Smith has said that he's not having that, he wants Terry involved and challenging him.

Smith has worked with 2 assistants at Brentford, one of which was the ex-Bromby manager.

Having somebody who is reportedly very knowledgeable, who happens to command the respect of the squad and know what we're about already isn't the stuff of farce.

He may not work out to be a brilliant coach, but his desire to learn the ropes here and take a back seat is a good thing.

I'm not sure if O'Kelly is Albion (he's a Yam-Yam by the sounds of him) but either way, all three know what this club is and what it's about.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 16, 2018, 08:52:09 AM


Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well.

John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.

How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.

In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.

As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.

The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.

Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?

Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.

Go through the 92 managers in the league and see how many of them had stellar playing careers. The highest ranked British one is Mark Hughes and arguably very fortunate to still have a job. Medals as a player mean absolutely nothing, Klopp, Emery, Mourinho, Sarri all achieved very little as players.

To pick a handful of players of Terry's stature; Robson, Adams, Ince, Shearer. All leaders on the pitch but clowns on the sideline. The English game has been plagued by ex players being parachuted into management roles based on their playing reputation alone. Which is why it's great to see Dean Smith get a chance but Terry doesn't fit at all. The first pressure that Smith faces and Terrys buddies in the media will be pushing his chances of taking over.

Assistant, yes hopefully he will behave himself and be very much under the radar. But this is the same guy as a player that tried to lead a coup against Capello at the 2010WC and publicly get his mate Joe Cole in the side. Not to mention the numerous off field escapades he has been involved in that speak very poorly of his character. Great player but that will matter for little trying to organise our back four on the training field.

I would say leading a coup, to use your words, against Capello was a good thing and is the sort of thing a captain should do if things are going very wrong
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on October 16, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
If Stevie Me and Lampard walked into jobs, Terry could have done as well.

He's decided to learn from Smith. Smith said he seemed humble and was a bit unsure about what he ought to get involved in, when Smith has said that he's not having that, he wants Terry involved and challenging him.

Smith has worked with 2 assistants at Brentford, one of which was the ex-Bromby manager.

Having somebody who is reportedly very knowledgeable, who happens to command the respect of the squad and know what we're about already isn't the stuff of farce.

He may not work out to be a brilliant coach, but his desire to learn the ropes here and take a back seat is a good thing.

I'm not sure if O'Kelly is Albion (he's a Yam-Yam by the sounds of him) but either way, all three know what this club is and what it's about.

I saw Richard O’Kelly working with the youth team at Albion when my eldest was there many moons ago and I was very impressed. I didn’t meet anyone who had a bad word to say about him.  What you see is what you get ,he is considered, calm and articulate but absolutely tells it as it is. Dean Smith said yesterday that he values him because he challenges him and I can see that. He’s no shrinking violet or yes man but he says his piece in a positive way. On top of all that he seems a thoroughly decent human being. As regards being a yam yam , I wouldn’t worry, nobody’s perfect !
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rodders on October 16, 2018, 09:39:05 AM
Just watched the interview. Ohhhhh Deano! He had me at, "I want the players to express themselves on the pitch and the fans to enjoy the football."

He also gave some insight into his relationship with Terry in that he coached his brother for three years and that they got to know each other well during that period. I'm not worried about the notion of Terry's having been parachuted in.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 16, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
If Stevie Me and Lampard walked into jobs, Terry could have done as well.

He's decided to learn from Smith. Smith said he seemed humble and was a bit unsure about what he ought to get involved in, when Smith has said that he's not having that, he wants Terry involved and challenging him.

I'm not sure Terry has his coaching badges does he?  If he doesn't, then the kind of role he is in now gives him the opportunity to finish those off while getting coaching experience at the same time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 16, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
I noted with interest whilst viewing the picture gallery on the OS, Dean was pictured standing next to a tactics board with the title 'Attacking set pieces'.  There was absolutely nothing written down on it.  Another legacy of the Bruce era.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
John Terry has not been parachuted in based on his paying career. Whatever the full reason why he has been given the job, I suspect that high up on the list is the fact that the team has fallen to pieces since the day he left.

Plus the fact with his knowledge of the squad we can hopefully hit the ground running. Promotion is still the target for the season, lest we forget.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 16, 2018, 12:09:23 PM
I simply don't understand the hostility towards him. We haven't had any semblance of leadership since he left. Hopefully he and Dean will restore that quality and generally improve the way we play.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 16, 2018, 12:52:48 PM
John Terry has not been parachuted in based on his paying career. Whatever the full reason why he has been given the job, I suspect that high up on the list is the fact that the team has fallen to pieces since the day he left.

Plus the fact with his knowledge of the squad we can hopefully hit the ground running. Promotion is still the target for the season, lest we forget.

It is one of the smartest things Mr Smith could have done to be honest.  The press as usual trying to make something out of nothing. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2018, 01:06:15 PM
I get the impression Terry wants to learn, will be very respectful, and will add value to our overall performance.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 16, 2018, 01:09:50 PM
 No one was happier than me when Brucey got the chop
and I’m delighted with Dean Smith

but all the things that are said after the press conference

‘He gets the Villa’
‘Proper football man’
‘He’ll sort the mess out’
‘He comes over well’
‘He’s very likeable’
‘He knows this league inside out’
‘this is the biggest job he’s ever had’
‘He’s looks really happy to be here’
‘He talks a lot of sense’

every one of them were said about Bruce as well
it’s what happens on the pitch that counts
i not that bothered what they say anymore and that goes for players and CEO’s as well, I just want to see the proof on the pitch

that’s why I’m more than hopeful with Smith because his track record is attractive attacking football
It’s not something we are making fit or hoping for, it’s what he does

I just want to see it now

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 16, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
Deano



Great interview.
Sounds proud as punch.

I think he'll have shivers down his spine when he walks out Saturday
I had shivers just watching this!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 16, 2018, 04:35:20 PM
Having watched the press conference and the interview with Terry and O'Kelly it sounds very much like we have, eventually, put a modern structure in place and we're trying to fix the culture at the top level of the club. I wish it had happened 2 years ago and it might not work out at the first attempt but this is definitely a big step in the right direction.

What I'd now like to see is an interview with Pitarch and for him to talk about modernising the scouting system and putting much more faith into analytics. It will never replace watching players/teams but it can highlight things to look for and help set a focus, rather than the aimless recruitment strategy we've had for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
Well, if Dean Smith the Vila fan from Great Barr with John Terry by his side can't get them fired up, I don't know what can.
Fuck that .... I have gone right off him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2018, 06:19:37 PM
We've entered into a new partnership with a data performance provider. I'm not sure how much it upgrades on what went before, but all the players have those bra like things back on.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 16, 2018, 06:22:13 PM
We've entered into a new partnership with a data performance provider. I'm not sure how much it upgrades on what went before, but all the players have those bra like things back on.
Do players play the match with them on? I can't say I've noticed other teams wearing them if so? Remember when players couldn't wear certain jewellery? I'm assuming that's still the case.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 16, 2018, 07:00:10 PM
We've entered into a new partnership with a data performance provider. I'm not sure how much it upgrades on what went before, but all the players have those bra like things back on.
Do players play the match with them on? I can't say I've noticed other teams wearing them if so? Remember when players couldn't wear certain jewellery? I'm assuming that's still the case.

Some do and they're common in both forms of rugby.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 16, 2018, 07:29:47 PM
Well, if Dean Smith the Vila fan from Great Barr with John Terry by his side can't get them fired up, I don't know what can.
Fuck that .... I have gone right off him.

Nooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2018, 08:49:53 PM
No but we can start fluffing.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 16, 2018, 08:58:57 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

Mine is ready if anyone wants to start early :)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2018, 09:07:43 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

Mine is ready if anyone wants to start early :)

Fuckin priceless
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 16, 2018, 09:09:11 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 17, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

Mine is ready if anyone wants to start early :)


just touch it,   go on !! 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 17, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 17, 2018, 11:50:31 AM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.

You dirty bugger.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 17, 2018, 11:58:46 AM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.
This has cracked me up!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 17, 2018, 12:25:36 PM
We've entered into a new partnership with a data performance provider. I'm not sure how much it upgrades on what went before, but all the players have those bra like things back on.
Do players play the match with them on? I can't say I've noticed other teams wearing them if so? Remember when players couldn't wear certain jewellery? I'm assuming that's still the case.

Some do and they're common in both forms of rugby.

They are normally situated between the shoulders on a player's back.  Looks like they have an abnormal lump there!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 17, 2018, 12:26:26 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.
This has cracked me up!

Haha. Me too. I've just laughed loudly on the train.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 17, 2018, 12:36:18 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.
This has cracked me up!

Haha. Me too. I've just laughed loudly on the train.

Literally crying with laughter at my desk, getting very funny looks from all around me!

"What are you laughing at Adam?"

"Just reading about a bloke fingering his dog."
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on October 17, 2018, 12:38:18 PM
Lol!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 17, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
It sounds like the name of an episode of Friends.

"The One Where Damo Accidentally Fingered His Dog"
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 17, 2018, 01:21:17 PM
Quote
There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.

Lay back, smoked a cigarette and pondered how far this relationship would go  ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 17, 2018, 01:41:21 PM
It sounds like the name of an episode of Friends.

"The One Where Damo Accidentally Fingered His Dog"
After reading what Damo watches on the TV thread, I bet he's actually seen that one. ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 17, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
I don't think we can start sucking each other's cocks just yet as the new team will take time to make changes but the future suddenly looks a lot brighter.

The sucking of anyone on here's cock does not feature in any of my definitions of a bright future. I will happily wank off a dog, or, if promotion depends on it, an incel.


I stuck my finger up my dogs bum once. Before anyone reports me to the RSPCA I should explain I was trying to shoo her upstairs so I could answer the door and by sheer fluke managed a direct hit with my middle finger. It was a traumatic experience for both of us. Afterwards I had to wash my hands like someone with OCD until they almost bled. There was also an awkward period of time afterwards when the dog and I couldn't look each other in the eye.

I have never accidentally poked our beagles bum but whenever i have to tell him off he wont look me in the eye afterwards unless i apologies to him as my wife tells me ive hurt his fellings.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Moose on October 17, 2018, 04:16:15 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith logs in here.....?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 17, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
No I don't.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 17, 2018, 04:55:08 PM
Bit pissed but FWIIW sticking your finger sharply up your dog's arse when you put it in the starting traps is a sure way of guaranteeing it hits the lid (flies out of the traps).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 17, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Bit pissed but FWIIW sticking your finger sharply up your dog's arse when you put it in the starting traps is a sure way of guaranteeing it hits the lid (flies out of the traps).

*Scrolling thread, learning about new manager, eyes widen in shock, closes thread, jumps out of window*
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2018, 05:17:40 PM
Damo when you answered the door did you shake hands with whoever was there? It’s the least they deserved for ringing your bell.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JD on October 17, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
This is quality posting. Sitting at Christchurch Airport waiting for a flight to Sydney laughing (and getting strange looks). H&V's at its best.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on October 17, 2018, 06:40:46 PM
Bit pissed but FWIIW sticking your finger sharply up your dog's arse when you put it in the starting traps is a sure way of guaranteeing it hits the lid (flies out of the traps).
Round my way,they stick matchsticks up trail hound dogs arses to make them take a shit before racing so they don't stop halfway round!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
Bit pissed but FWIIW sticking your finger sharply up your dog's arse when you put it in the starting traps is a sure way of guaranteeing it hits the lid (flies out of the traps).
That's all well and good as long as you remember which finger you used, before picking your nose or indulge in any other bodily action.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2018, 07:04:02 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Herman on October 17, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
Yes, I did stick my finger up the dog's bottom M'lud, but it was a complete accident.
'Yes of course it was! Now get into D wing with the rest of the nonces`
 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 17, 2018, 07:42:31 PM


Replace woodpecker with the breed of Damo's dog.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 17, 2018, 07:47:01 PM
Feckin hell you lot, give the guy a break.

Bloody helll, you finger one dog.........
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 17, 2018, 08:00:23 PM
Feckin hell you lot, give the guy a break.

Bloody helll, you finger one dog.........
It's not like he sucked off the cat
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 17, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
Feckin hell you lot, give the guy a break.

Bloody helll, you finger one dog.........
It's not like he sucked off the cat

You obviously haven't seen the video on his blog.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 17, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Was it a poodle?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Herman on October 17, 2018, 09:25:41 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Was it a poodle?

Perhaps a Shitsu?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 17, 2018, 09:35:05 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Was it a poodle?

Perhaps a Shitsu?

Applause.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 17, 2018, 09:48:40 PM
How do you stop a dog from humping your leg?


Suck it's cock. (though I think Damo changed the punchline)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 17, 2018, 10:00:19 PM


well
How do you stop a dog from humping your leg?


Suck it's cock. (though I think Damo changed the punchline)




well Deano is in for a shock if he does come on this thread late
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 17, 2018, 10:01:35 PM
It's the tale wanking the dog.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lsvilla on October 17, 2018, 10:06:28 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Was it a poodle?

Perhaps a Shitsu?
Called Dudley ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 17, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
It's the tale wanking the dog.


.....tail......   bit of Bad English there...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 17, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
It's the tale wanking the dog.


.....tail......   bit of Bad English there...
No. It was Damo's story about stimulating the mutt.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 17, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
It's the tale wanking the dog.


.....tail......   bit of Bad English there...
No. It was Damo's story about stimulating the mutt.

Yes. I realised that once I read back.....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2018, 11:16:37 PM
This thread needs the Abe Simpson gif.

Dafuq you lot?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
Supposedly had Ginge training with us again. I would take him over Jedinak. It would also mean he'd stop having to buy tickets and could travel on the team bus*.

*one for those who travel away.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on October 17, 2018, 11:52:25 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.
Was it a poodle?

Perhaps a Shitsu?

Cocker spaniel surely.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 18, 2018, 07:46:09 AM
No one was happier than me when Brucey got the chop
and I’m delighted with Dean Smith

but all the things that are said after the press conference

‘He gets the Villa’
‘Proper football man’
‘He’ll sort the mess out’
‘He comes over well’
‘He’s very likeable’
‘He knows this league inside out’
‘this is the biggest job he’s ever had’
‘He’s looks really happy to be here’
‘He talks a lot of sense’

every one of them were said about Bruce as well
it’s what happens on the pitch that counts
i not that bothered what they say anymore and that goes for players and CEO’s as well, I just want to see the proof on the pitch

that’s why I’m more than hopeful with Smith because his track record is attractive attacking football
It’s not something we are making fit or hoping for, it’s what he does

I just want to see it now



This is pretty much where I am as well? I’m cautiously optimistic about Smith but I’m aware that we seem to have had plenty of Great White Hope’s over the last few years, all of them coming in to revolutionise us and none doing a particularly impressive job.

I hope he does very well, he’s certainly not going to do it overnight.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 18, 2018, 08:30:27 AM
Dean Smith will do well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
I don't remember such a positive welcome being afforded to a manager, can you?

When you look at what we've had before, it's not exactly a surprise, but the whole management team have been hugely positive and the supporters' response too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 18, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
I think, Drum, that it is a response to the feeling that there has been a total clear out of the clutter of people for want of a better phrase, with a there or thereabouts attitude to their responsibilities.  Like the club having a head of European scouting living in Australia.  The new broom has swept clean.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 18, 2018, 10:40:38 AM
Well, I'm refusing to not be excited about all this.

True, it could eventually all turn into yet another steaming heap. But for now, I'm loving feeling a bit like a kid on Christmas Eve who's spotted a bike-shaped present stashed behind the tree.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 18, 2018, 10:50:48 AM
Get excited, why not.

He's ruled Micah out as he's not fit. Surprisingly.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 18, 2018, 10:53:06 AM
I'm hopeful, looking forward to us playing differently, and excited should it work.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 18, 2018, 11:00:39 AM
Last time I was so excited about a new Villa manager was when Big Fat Ron joined.  And his first game, away at Hillsborough, was one of the best away days I’ve been to. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 18, 2018, 11:00:48 AM
Bit pissed but FWIIW sticking your finger sharply up your dog's arse when you put it in the starting traps is a sure way of guaranteeing it hits the lid (flies out of the traps).
Round my way,they stick matchsticks up trail hound dogs arses to make them take a shit before racing so they don't stop halfway round!


I think it was David Baddiel who told a story on stage once regarding his cat keeping him awake all night tearing around the house screeching as it was 'on heat'. He reckoned his vet had suggested he 'serviced his cat's needs' by pleasuring it with a cotton wool bud. Which led to Baddiel wondering if zoo keepers did the same to lions and tigers using those big cotton wool bud looking things ITV's 'Gladiators' and contestants used to twat each other with.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 18, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Damo now. Even if he discovers a cure for cancer or promotes peace in the Middle East, he's going to be known as Damo the dog-fingerer from now on.

I am surprised my story caused such a response as I had already told it on H&V ages ago without much response. As for the title 'Damo The Dog Fingerer' I suspect if I pitched that idea to Channel 5 I would get my own late night show.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 18, 2018, 11:08:01 AM
Last time I was so excited about a new Villa manager was when Big Fat Ron joined.  And his first game, away at Hillsborough, was one of the best away days I’ve been to.

I remember being very excited travelling on the coach to Hillsborough for that game and obviously delighted on the way back. I also remember the excitement of being at SGT's first game at Ipswich. I had just left school and had previously only gone to away games in the Midlands. My Dad took myself, H&V's Nev and another mate of ours down there as he was working in the area at the time. We hung around the away coach afterwards waiting to see the players and got to met SGT.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 18, 2018, 11:22:37 AM
Last time I was so excited about a new Villa manager was when Big Fat Ron joined.  And his first game, away at Hillsborough, was one of the best away days I’ve been to.

I remember being very excited travelling on the coach to Hillsborough for that game and obviously delighted on the way back. I also remember the excitement of being at SGT's first game at Ipswich. I had just left school and had previously only gone to away games in the Midlands. My Dad took myself, H&V's Nev and another mate of ours down there as he was working in the area at the time. We hung around the away coach afterwards waiting to see the players and got to met SGT.

Actually, now I think about it, I was just as excited when O’Neill arrived. His first game - and Randy Lerner’s - at the brand new Emirates was also a fantastic day. It all turned to rats’ cocks in the end but nobody who was there that day could argue that it didn’t feel like the dawning of a new era for Villa. USA, USA .....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Herman on October 18, 2018, 12:17:49 PM
Last time I was so excited about a new Villa manager was when Big Fat Ron joined.  And his first game, away at Hillsborough, was one of the best away days I’ve been to. 

That was the first away game that I went to. I remember driving back thinking they were all like that. It didn't take long to realize that they weren't
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 18, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Last time I felt this excited was when we went to Millmoor to play Rotherham.  We had just nicked Dave Walsh from Smethwick.  He duly got a hattrick.  The season our 8, 9 and 10 got over 50 goals between them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mallo on October 18, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
I'm as excited as when O Neill joined and before that SGT. I have a nagging voice in my head which says 'it's still the same players who have been crap for 15-20 games' so I'm not expecting too much early on, but I do hope to see at least us get forward in numbers when we've got the ball. And release it earlier. That's not too much to ask is it?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on October 18, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
Last time I was so excited about a new Villa manager was when Big Fat Ron joined.  And his first game, away at Hillsborough, was one of the best away days I’ve been to. 

That was the first away game that I went to. I remember driving back thinking they were all like that. It didn't take long to realize that they weren't

That was a brilliant day I can't wait for Saturday I can feel the buzz it's going to be electric.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2018, 01:20:30 PM
I think, Drum, that it is a response to the feeling that there has been a total clear out of the clutter of people for want of a better phrase, with a there or thereabouts attitude to their responsibilities.  Like the club having a head of European scouting living in Australia.  The new broom has swept clean.

Oh you're right. The CEO is a football man, the Director of Football knows the game having played it at a decent level. Our coaches know their stuff and I can only imagine the effect it will have. Terry last year had a great influence and now as a coach with all of the others about, it has to rub off.

Nobody will take any shit either, thank god. We do have a talented bunch of players and I'm convinced they will learn the system and play well in it. Or they'll be fucked off somewhere else.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: walsall villain on October 18, 2018, 01:21:12 PM
I'm as excited as when O Neill joined and before that SGT. I have a nagging voice in my head which says 'it's still the same players who have been crap for 15-20 games' so I'm not expecting too much early on, but I do hope to see at least us get forward in numbers when we've got the ball. And release it earlier. That's not too much to ask is it?
That’s why I have gone for a draw as change will probably be slow. I’m hoping to see us break quickly and have 3-5 players in the opposition box when we score. Other teams do this, can’t we try?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2018, 01:40:50 PM
I'm as excited as when O Neill joined and before that SGT. I have a nagging voice in my head which says 'it's still the same players who have been crap for 15-20 games' so I'm not expecting too much early on, but I do hope to see at least us get forward in numbers when we've got the ball. And release it earlier. That's not too much to ask is it?

The dipshit we used to have in charge literally neutralized 75-100m worth of talent. That is some going. There is no way Dean Smith will do the same. I think we will see it immediately tomorrow in patches and it will become more consistent as time goes by. It won't be whack it long, it won't be punts down the wing put in a cross. It will balls through the middle, pushing the opponents back to the 18yd box, it will be more movement. We still may not win because of the defence but I think he'll have given the players freedom to express themselves tomorrow and we'll catch a glimpse of the future.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 18, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Stay calm TV it's still only Thursday !
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2018, 03:21:27 PM
Stay calm TV it's still only Thursday !

There is never a wrong time of the week to called Steve Bruce a dipshit Richard. Never!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: exigo on October 18, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
My only fear is that the expectation of more movement from the players will see us tire with 20 minutes to go. That might take a few more weeks of hard graft in training to get through.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on October 18, 2018, 03:46:31 PM
My naturally cynical gait is being serverely tested by all this optimism. I actually feel optimistic regarding the future myself, I just hope it is not unfounded and we are on the cusp of a return to the good times. I'm in no hurry but a positive approach, some half decent football and a team to be proud of would be really, really nice.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 18, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
It is not going to happen overnight.  We have been in the pit of misery for too long but with the team we have at the helm we will get better.  Our owners being worth £32 billion between them might come in handy in a pinch.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 18, 2018, 04:21:52 PM
It is not going to happen overnight.  We have been in the pit of misery for too long but with the team we have at the helm we will get better.  Our owners being worth £32 billion between them might come in handy in a pinch.

It won't but, as I said a few pages back I reckon a change in tempo and signs of what's to come will be there almost immediately.  The myth pushed by people like Bruce about the time it takes for a team to Gel or how impossible it is to do anything without a pre-season just isn't true.  There are obviously limits to how far the changes can go without transfer but it takes a surprisingly small number of training sessions to make the early changes.  You see it all the time, just look at the difference Sherwood made for example.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 18, 2018, 04:36:38 PM
Agree with all of that.  Walking and running in proper sequence
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 18, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
I've only been to the Brentford and Reading home games so far and in both games for the first 20 - 30 minutes we ripped both teams apart. So we can perform at a high tempo level.
The problem was for the remaining 60 - 70 minutes we were pretty awful.
Dean Smith has to get us to keep the high tempo going
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on October 18, 2018, 05:36:35 PM
So when the tempo starts to drop we send Damo and Brian up and down the touchline waving their middle finger's in the air whilst winking suggestively at the players. Sorted.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on October 18, 2018, 05:49:21 PM
My only fear is that the expectation of more movement from the players will see us tire with 20 minutes to go. That might take a few more weeks of hard graft in training to get through.

We'll be 4 up by then so it will be fine.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 18, 2018, 05:56:36 PM
I tell you what, it's going to be pretty depressing on here when we get turned over 3-0 by Swansea on Saturday!   ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
I tell you what, it's going to be pretty depressing on here when we get turned over 3-0 by Swansea on Saturday!   ;)

You are Alex Bruce and I claim my 50p
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 18, 2018, 08:52:07 PM
Supposedly had Ginge training with us again. I would take him over Jedinak.



If this is James Collins, I am not so keen.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 18, 2018, 09:06:58 PM
This is definitely the point where we sit back and let everything happen from now till the end of the season. There is no guarantee of anything but with the team now in place there is a great chance of being in the top 6 by Christmas and then pushing on. Hope we win 2 of the next 3 and tick along nicely. 10 years of  garbage has drained everyone, time to enjoy.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 18, 2018, 09:25:56 PM
Where is the pre match presser from Deano then?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 18, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
So when the tempo starts to drop we send Damo and Brian up and down the touchline waving their middle finger's in the air whilst winking suggestively at the players. Sorted.
Damo will give them dog's abuse.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2018, 09:59:14 PM
Where is the pre match presser from Deano then?

Done on a Friday for weekend games?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on October 19, 2018, 07:03:15 AM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 19, 2018, 07:08:55 AM
Supposedly had Ginge training with us again. I would take him over Jedinak.



If this is James Collins, I am not so keen.
My feelings also. He's a c***.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Allan C on October 19, 2018, 08:02:13 AM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.
I agree totally with you and think surely there must be a center half at the club in the juniors who could step up.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2018, 08:04:57 AM
It was the young Aussie who was fighting the bouncers at Gatecrasher.

I'd take him, we need cover.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 19, 2018, 08:07:05 AM
Whilst admittedly not comparable apples for apples, let's also remember that many voiced displeasure about Terry joining us.

If Collins re-joins and helps to stop us conceding stupid goals, that surely, is the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 19, 2018, 08:10:05 AM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.
I agree totally with you and think surely there must be a center half at the club in the juniors who could step up.

If there is I'm sure Terry will know about him and Smith will use him

I think his two centre halfs at Brentford were 20 and 21 years old

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: GarTomas on October 19, 2018, 08:39:08 AM
It was the young Aussie who was fighting the bouncers at Gatecrasher.

I'd take him, we need cover.

Yes it was Chris Herd. Later revealed to have a number of issues of his own.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 19, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.
I agree totally with you and think surely there must be a center half at the club in the juniors who could step up.

Don't we have the Euros-winning (former?) England U-19 captain and centre half on the books, who never seems to get a look in?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
Collins left us many years ago. He was in a squad managed by a numpty, surrounded by other numpties.

Our new boss is entitled to make his own choices and should be trusted to do so and judged accordingly. Do you think Collins will fuck up this time?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mouse Potato on October 19, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mouse Potato on October 19, 2018, 09:27:27 AM
So when the tempo starts to drop we send Damo and Brian up and down the touchline waving their middle finger's in the air whilst winking suggestively at the players. Sorted.
Damo will give them dog's abuse.
Genius - this made me laugh
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 19, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.



Big deal. Sign him up, we need him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Gareth on October 19, 2018, 10:10:31 AM
In terms of Collins, wouldn’t have been first choice but we have 14 games until we can use the transfer market again for a centre half & the season will be over if we don’t tighten up at the back so we must get a settled keeper, back 4 and defensive midfielder if Smith plays one - if Collins would help this then get him in
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: achilles on October 19, 2018, 10:23:32 AM
Good grief, I can't understand the fuss, if Dean thinks Collins will do a job for now then it is absolutely a no brainer!
Bloody hell, we have just appointed him, give the guy some slack!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
I can't imagine Collins' hoofball style fitting in with Smith's passing style.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on October 19, 2018, 10:41:43 AM
Where is the pre match presser from Deano then?

Done on a Friday for weekend games?

Doesn’t look like Smith is following the Bruce routine of Friday morning pressers.

Maybe he’s coaching the team or something?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2018, 10:42:33 AM
It's a no for me, Collins was poor anyway and the last time I saw him he looked ready for retirement. Add to that the fact that he's a bit of a c**t and I just don't see the point. I'd rather we went with Chester and Tuanzebe with Bedeau as cover for now and then revisit in January.  If we'd kept hold of Clark, RDL and Suliman I'd be happy to see out the season with them and what we have. At some point we just need to commit to giving the kids a run of games and see if they can step up.  We've got far too many that are in limbo between being too good for the U23s but not experienced enough to be seniors.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 19, 2018, 10:50:15 AM
Does anyone know if and when we have the option to recall any of the loanees?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 19, 2018, 10:51:55 AM
Jacob Bedeau, give him a geau.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Jacob Bedeau, give him a geau.

That's how O'Kelly would say it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 19, 2018, 11:06:29 AM
Does anyone know if and when we have the option to recall any of the loanees?

I don't think you can recall early. Maybe in emergencies, but that'd really only apply to 'keepers, were it the case.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 19, 2018, 11:08:07 AM
Fucking James fucking Collins can get fucking fucked to fucking Fuckland, the fucking fuck that he fucking is.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 19, 2018, 11:18:01 AM
I did like the idea of bringing someone like Sulliman or Beadeu though instead of loaning back Tuanzebe. If we lose Chester though, then that's a lot to ask of them, especially now Elphick has gone so I wouldn't be against Collins coming in short term.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on October 19, 2018, 11:24:07 AM
Has Dean smith changed the Friday press conference time ? Can’t see any comms on website or anything on YouTube
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 19, 2018, 11:25:55 AM
Does anyone know if and when we have the option to recall any of the loanees?

I don't think you can recall early. Maybe in emergencies, but that'd really only apply to 'keepers, were it the case.

Cheers for that, we'll have to grin and bear it for a while then.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 19, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
Fucking James fucking Collins fucking can fucking get fucking fucked to fucking Fuckland, the fucking fuck that fucking he fucking is.
Fixed. You missed some opportunities there.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 19, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
so fans want James Collins back, how short are our memories of this man

1. Did he and Dunne assault and verbally abuse a true legend of the club(Sid) when pissed out of there faces on a team bonding weekend
2. After an awards evening, went into Birmingham and was fighting with bouncers outside a night club
3 He said it was a massive mistake to ever leave West Ham for Aston Villa

But lets have him back and we can all applaud him for doing us a favour! no thanks he is part of the reason this club is in the mess it is now trying to get out of.
I agree totally with you and think surely there must be a center half at the club in the juniors who could step up.

If there is I'm sure Terry will know about him and Smith will use him

I think his two centre halfs at Brentford were 20 and 21 years old
Easah Sulliman is currently out on loan when we have zero cover at cb just about sums up Steve Bruce. Bring him back and give him a go Deano.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 19, 2018, 12:17:10 PM
Tomorrows game is officially sold out. Have our expectations ever been higher? Over to you Deano. Good luck!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 19, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
Tomorrows game is officially sold out. Have our expectations ever been higher? Over to you Deano. Good luck!

Yeah, all the best Deano - just the four times as many people as you're used to managing in front of!!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 01:15:33 PM
So Chester and Williams played together for Wales in the matches at the Euros, but have Chester and Collins played together many times for Wales? And do they get on? Any Welsh (or just more knowledgable) Villa fans know?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 19, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
Collins hates Chester.  Okay I made that up.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 19, 2018, 02:29:18 PM
Fucking James fucking Collins can get fucking fucked to fucking Fuckland, the fucking fuck that he fucking is.

Yep.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
So Chester and Williams played together for Wales in the matches at the Euros, but have Chester and Collins played together many times for Wales? And do they get on? Any Welsh (or just more knowledgable) Villa fans know?

They may not have played together in the sense of a centre back partnership as Wales employed three at the back pretty soon after Chester came into the side and only changed to a four after Collins retired.  If I recall correctly, the only game Collins started at the Euros was the semi final game against Portugal (due to Ben Davies being suspended) and he was part of a back three then with Chester and Ashley Williams.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 02:42:10 PM
So Chester and Williams played together for Wales in the matches at the Euros, but have Chester and Collins played together many times for Wales? And do they get on? Any Welsh (or just more knowledgable) Villa fans know?

They may not have played together in the sense of a centre back partnership as Wales employed three at the back pretty soon after Chester came into the side and only changed to a four after Collins retired.  If I recall correctly, the only game Collins started at the Euros was the semi final game against Portugal (due to Ben Davies being suspended) and he was part of a back three then with Chester and Ashley Williams.
Cheers Tom  :-)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 02:42:47 PM
Collins hates Chester.  Okay I made that up.
Hahaha! You could have given a reason why he hates him (before confessing) ;-)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 19, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
I don’t like Collins and he is nowhere near the quality I want to see in our squad. In an ideal world I’d like to see a good replacement for Terry or one of the kids given a chance.

But I’m generally of a ‘needs must’ type of view and if for the situation right now Smith thinks he can make any sort of positive contribution, whether that be playing or just emergency cover, then I am absolutely fine with that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on October 19, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
I don't particularly like him either but him or Jedinak at the back? Collins every time.  He's a center half and I don't remember him being too slow and I don't remember him being mistake riddled either.

Jed's a better holding midfielder though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 19, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
I don’t like Collins and he is nowhere near the quality I want to see in our squad. In an ideal world I’d like to see a good replacement for Terry or one of the kids given a chance.

But I’m generally of a ‘needs must’ type of view and if for the situation right now Smith thinks he can make any sort of positive contribution, whether that be playing or just emergency cover, then I am absolutely fine with that.

Just goes to show what Bruce did to us. Negligence springs to mind.Anyway all water under the bridge now. The futures bright. It's claret and blue.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
I don’t like Collins and he is nowhere near the quality I want to see in our squad. In an ideal world I’d like to see a good replacement for Terry or one of the kids given a chance.

But I’m generally of a ‘needs must’ type of view and if for the situation right now Smith thinks he can make any sort of positive contribution, whether that be playing or just emergency cover, then I am absolutely fine with that.

Exactly where I am Chris.  We of course have no idea what kind of physical state he is in or whether he is even going to get to the point where he will even be able to reach the point where he is in a state to play. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 19, 2018, 03:16:33 PM
What is Richard Dunne doing?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
What is Richard Dunne doing?

At this time of day, afternoon tea I would guess.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villabear on October 19, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
What is Richard Dunne doing?

At this time of day, afternoon tea I would guess.

Or sleeping off an afternoon session (probably/allegedly)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 05:42:09 PM
Where is the pre match presser from Deano then?

Done on a Friday for weekend games?

Doesn’t look like Smith is following the Bruce routine of Friday morning pressers.

Maybe he’s coaching the team or something?
I wonder if he's decided to cancel it and use the time more effectively?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
What is Richard Dunne doing?

At this time of day, afternoon tea I would guess.

Opening a new box of fags, whilst finishing his 10th can of Guinness and playing FIFA 2009.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 19, 2018, 06:07:37 PM
Sounds enticing
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 07:16:18 PM
What is Richard Dunne doing?

At this time of day, afternoon tea I would guess.

Opening a new box of fags, whilst finishing his 10th can of Guinness and playing FIFA 2009.
Surely that's date night?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 19, 2018, 07:39:07 PM
Evil is to him who evil thinks.  He is probably digging some old lady's garden.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
Evil is to him who evil thinks.  He is probably digging some old lady's garden.

Nah. I am watching Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaLoyal on October 20, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
Just listened to his first post match interviews. My goodness me, What a contrast to the "Smell the Hot Dogs or Honest Bunch of Lads" we have been accustomed to over the previous depressing years.

Dean Smith actual talked and communicated tactics and covered "Second phase deliveries, overloads, setting traps, fitness levels" all in one minute.  8)

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 07:30:13 PM
Just listened to his first post match interviews. My goodness me, What a contrast to the "Smell the Hot Dogs or Honest Bunch of Lads" we have been accustomed to over the previous depressing years.

Dean Smith actual talked and communicated tactics and covered "Second phase deliveries, overloads, setting traps, fitness levels" all in one minute.  8)



It'll never catch on.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2018, 11:00:57 PM
"They're very coachable"...sure - when you coach them!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 20, 2018, 11:07:50 PM
He must think Bruce was a total numpty surely
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 20, 2018, 11:43:49 PM
It must have been a very proud moment for this man walking out in front of a full bouncing Villa Park. This was a dream come true for Dean and his family must have been delighted and apprehensive at the same time so I am pleased he is off to a winning start. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 20, 2018, 11:45:44 PM
"They're very coachable"...sure - when you coach them!

When the head coach fancies coaching them !
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2018, 11:52:37 PM
A nice bonus of it being Smith rather than Henry who got the gig, is that when Bruce finally resurfaces, he won't be able to blather on to his mates in the press about how he lost his job to somebody with next to no coaching experience.  Smith is twice the coach Bruce is, he just hasn't had the big stage to prove it, until now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on October 20, 2018, 11:58:42 PM
Bruce defence will be lots of fans never accepted me because of who I managed before. That is total nonsense. I think he has been given more leeway than lots of managers. I totally accept David Moyes saying he is one of the best managers around (apologies for my bollox), I still can't get over he pist off for a break in the international games. Somehow don't imagine Smith doing that. The one thing that finished me off was his Forriesti comment before sheff wed game. How could he have not known he was suspended
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2018, 12:24:58 AM
From his interviews, it is clear that Dean Smith is a coach who does a lot of consideration when it comes to tactics and approaches.  It's going to be interesting to see how he develops a style of play over the next few months. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on October 21, 2018, 07:26:21 AM
A nice bonus of it being Smith rather than Henry who got the gig

Side note, Monaco lost to Strasbourg yesterday.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 21, 2018, 08:13:03 AM
A nice bonus of it being Smith rather than Henry who got the gig

Side note, Monaco lost to Strasbourg yesterday.


I have now listened to all his post match comments and it’s ptrety clear we got the right man. For the first time in near in 10 years I’m excited about the future. Come on Dean let’s get Villa back where it belongs
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 21, 2018, 10:57:17 AM
totally but it's going to be a long and narrow way
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2018, 11:43:24 AM
Bruce defence will be lots of fans never accepted me because of who I managed before. That is total nonsense. I think he has been given more leeway than lots of managers. I totally accept David Moyes saying he is one of the best managers around (apologies for my bollox), I still can't get over he pist off for a break in the international games. Somehow don't imagine Smith doing that. The one thing that finished me off was his Forriesti comment before sheff wed game. How could he have not known he was suspended
Re: the Forestieri gaff? I'm convinced that by that time Bruce was actually intent on getting the push and walking away with his 1.7 million pay off. Fucking c***.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2018, 12:28:05 PM
What was all that witchcraft Smith was mentioning in his post match comments? It’ll never catch on!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2018, 12:39:46 PM
What was all that witchcraft Smith was mentioning in his post match comments? It’ll never catch on!

Christ, I just watched that for the first time and it's almost like he had an actual plan.

Actually, what I really liked is that he has a long term plan for how we're going to improve the football - off the ball first, develop possession over more time. He's planning for having plans on the future. Is this what having a manager's like?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 21, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
He made attacking substitutions, and we weren't even losing. At one-nil up we were still trying to score another goal. We had a right-back at right-back, a left-back at left-back and two centre-halves in the middle of defence.

It's like we were playing a different sport.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2018, 01:17:40 PM
He made attacking substitutions, and we weren't even losing. At one-nil up we were still trying to score another goal. We had a right-back at right-back, a left-back at left-back and two centre-halves in the middle of defence.

It's like we were playing a different sport.

I commented to the guy say next to me that when Deano bright Kodjia on with 30 minutes left, had Bruce still been in charge it would've been Whelan on for Abraham!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 21, 2018, 01:19:22 PM
It's so refreshing. Give the oppostion something to worry about, and they can't just throw everyone forward.

If that had been Bruce, Swansea would have been camped in our half for the last twenty minutes.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2018, 01:21:47 PM
It's so refreshing. Give the oppostion something to worry about, and they can't just throw everyone forward.

If that had been Bruce, Swansea would have been camped in our half for the last 82 minutes.

FTFY
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 21, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
A nice bonus of it being Smith rather than Henry who got the gig, is that when Bruce finally resurfaces, he won't be able to blather on to his mates in the press about how he lost his job to somebody with next to no coaching experience.  Smith is twice the coach Bruce is, he just hasn't had the big stage to prove it, until now.

I'm twice the coach Bruce is and so's my wife.  Smith must be at least 10 times better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
Is there a link to the post match interview?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
Is there a link to the post match interview?

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1053684646737780736?s=12
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2018, 01:45:40 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 21, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
This is a bit more in depth

https://audioboom.com/posts/7053458-dean-smith-on-the-1-0-win-against-swansea
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 21, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
What was all that witchcraft Smith was mentioning in his post match comments? It’ll never catch on!

Christ, I just watched that for the first time and it's almost like he had an actual plan.

Actually, what I really liked is that he has a long term plan for how we're going to improve the football - off the ball first, develop possession over more time. He's planning for having plans on the future. Is this what having a manager's like?


Smith came out with comments that made him sound like an insightful football coach. I could have stood there and spouted the bland football cliches Bruce used to come out with week after week.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
It made a refreshing change to “All I ask of them is to roll up their sleeves”.

Signed...Fucking dinosaur
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 21, 2018, 02:36:32 PM
Or “ that little bit of magic “
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Or “ that little bit of magic “

A TV screen smashing comment if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2018, 04:08:49 PM
Or “ that little bit of magic “

A TV screen smashing comment if ever there was one.

Yeah, but that's the Championship for ya!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 21, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
What is this "plan" he speaks of?

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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 21, 2018, 04:40:08 PM
Bruce cliche bingo.

‘Some of them didn’t put their boots on.’

‘I made a mistake today not freshening it up.’  Times 14.

‘There or there or there or thereabouts.’  Repeated over 400 times.

‘The ti’kly bit.’

‘We’ve got the makings of a really decent team.’  Fifteen times a season.

‘After a week it’s a crisis and off wi’ me head.’

‘Forestieri’s a real handful.’  At each weekly press conference.

‘I lost 4, 5, 6, 10 of the team that started the play off final.’

‘The owners have breathed new life in’o the club.’

‘We keep a clean sheet against a very decent Rotherham team and I don’t know worri’m doin.’
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 22, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Interesting piece in The Times this morning.  Again all encouraging stuff!

"Dean Smith claimed that John Terry had already made his mark as a coach by helping to orchestrate a clean sheet in their first game together at Aston Villa.

Tammy Abraham’s goal was enough to give the new head coach a 1-0 winning start to his reign, against Swansea City on an emotional day when Villa Park paid tribute to Sir Doug Ellis, the former chairman who died on October 11.

But the former Walsall and Brentford manager was quick to share the praise with Terry, a surprise appointment as one of two assistant managers alongside Richard O’Kelly, Smith’s trusted right-hand man.

“He’s had a big input as has Richard O’Kelly,” Smith said. “We’ve worked hard on defending without the ball and defending our penalty box.  JT has been at the top level so he knows is stuff.  He coaches. He passes on tips.

"We have worked very well together and hopefully that will continue.  We discussed it as a coaching team and Richard will take possession and the forwards and JT will break off with the defenders.  Myself and John have done some really good work with the defensive system.  I'm just glad we got the clean sheet and the win."

Smith's attempts to manoeuvre his boyhood club into promotion contention continue tomorrow away to Norwich.  He gradually plansto impose his own style on Bruce's former squad.

Smith knows that Jack Grealish will be a key figure and is looking for more goals, assists and defensive discipline from him.  "He is outstanding" Smith said, "He probably saw me coming and thought 'Brentford are a total footballing team'.  And yet all the work this week has been without the ball.  He has seen a different side to me.  But that's part of his game that needs to get better.  I like the fact he was looking at getting into the penalty box, which is something he can improve upon.  He doesn't have the goals and assists someone of his talent should have - that is for me and the coaching staff to help him work on.  I invite players to ask questions and certainly asks questions.  He has that desire to get better"
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2018, 10:11:59 AM
Interesting piece in The Times this morning.  Again all encouraging stuff!

"Dean Smith claimed that John Terry had already made his mark as a coach by helping to orchestrate a clean sheet in their first game together at Aston Villa.

Tammy Abraham’s goal was enough to give the new head coach a 1-0 winning start to his reign, against Swansea City on an emotional day when Villa Park paid tribute to Sir Doug Ellis, the former chairman who died on October 11.

But the former Walsall and Brentford manager was quick to share the praise with Terry, a surprise appointment as one of two assistant managers alongside Richard O’Kelly, Smith’s trusted right-hand man.

“He’s had a big input as has Richard O’Kelly,” Smith said. “We’ve worked hard on defending without the ball and defending our penalty box.  JT has been at the top level so he knows is stuff.  He coaches. He passes on tips.

"We have worked very well together and hopefully that will continue.  We discussed it as a coaching team and Richard will take possession and the forwards and JT will break off with the defenders.  Myself and John have done some really good work with the defensive system.  I'm just glad we got the clean sheet and the win."

Smith's attempts to manoeuvre his boyhood club into promotion contention continue tomorrow away to Norwich.  He gradually plansto impose his own style on Bruce's former squad.

Smith knows that Jack Grealish will be a key figure and is looking for more goals, assists and defensive discipline from him.  "He is outstanding" Smith said, "He probably saw me coming and thought 'Brentford are a total footballing team'.  And yet all the work this week has been without the ball.  He has seen a different side to me.  But that's part of his game that needs to get better.  I like the fact he was looking at getting into the penalty box, which is something he can improve upon.  He doesn't have the goals and assists someone of his talent should have - that is for me and the coaching staff to help him work on.  I invite players to ask questions and certainly asks questions.  He has that desire to get better"

Fucking hell, it's like thinks about his job!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 22, 2018, 10:39:01 AM
Who was the bloke on the bench who was handling most of the clipboard duties, including conveying positional changes to the subs before they came on ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 22, 2018, 11:06:06 AM
Bruce cliche bingo.

‘Some of them didn’t put their boots on.’

‘I made a mistake today not freshening it up.’  Times 14.

‘There or there or there or thereabouts.’  Repeated over 400 times.

‘The ti’kly bit.’

‘We’ve got the makings of a really decent team.’  Fifteen times a season.

‘After a week it’s a crisis and off wi’ me head.’

‘Forestieri’s a real handful.’  At each weekly press conference.

‘I lost 4, 5, 6, 10 of the team that started the play off final.’

‘The owners have breathed new life in’o the club.’

‘We keep a clean sheet against a very decent Rotherham team and I don’t know worri’m doin.’
Why are you posting this same old joke 3 weeks after he has been sacked? 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 22, 2018, 11:09:39 AM
Fucking hell, it's like thinks about his job!
Yes but when you know football inside out and you have 50 promotions under your belt there is no need to think. You will always be there or thereabout with a bit of magic now and then....oh and  rolling your sleeves up etc etc.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Fucking hell, it's like thinks about his job!
Yes but when you know football inside out and you have 50 promotions under your belt there is no need to think. You will always be there or thereabout with a bit of magic now and then....oh and  rolling your sleeves up etc etc.

And you can employ three of your mates to ensure that everyone has their boots on.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 22, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
Bruce cliche bingo.

‘Some of them didn’t put their boots on.’

‘I made a mistake today not freshening it up.’  Times 14.

‘There or there or there or thereabouts.’  Repeated over 400 times.

‘The ti’kly bit.’

‘We’ve got the makings of a really decent team.’  Fifteen times a season.

‘After a week it’s a crisis and off wi’ me head.’

‘Forestieri’s a real handful.’  At each weekly press conference.

‘I lost 4, 5, 6, 10 of the team that started the play off final.’

‘The owners have breathed new life in’o the club.’

‘We keep a clean sheet against a very decent Rotherham team and I don’t know worri’m doin.’
Why are you posting this same old joke 3 weeks after he has been sacked?

To piss you off royally.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 22, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
Although it sounds amazing to us, him talking about doing coaching without the ball is quite normal for football coaches of a certain quality.  But something we have been lacking for years and years. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 22, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Bruce cliche bingo.

‘Some of them didn’t put their boots on.’

‘I made a mistake today not freshening it up.’  Times 14.

‘There or there or there or thereabouts.’  Repeated over 400 times.

‘The ti’kly bit.’

‘We’ve got the makings of a really decent team.’  Fifteen times a season.

‘After a week it’s a crisis and off wi’ me head.’

‘Forestieri’s a real handful.’  At each weekly press conference.

‘I lost 4, 5, 6, 10 of the team that started the play off final.’

‘The owners have breathed new life in’o the club.’

‘We keep a clean sheet against a very decent Rotherham team and I don’t know worri’m doin.’
Why are you posting this same old joke 3 weeks after he has been sacked?

To piss you off royally.

and it's funny
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
And serves to highlight the difference between "pull wor boots up" and proper coaching.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2018, 02:51:04 PM
It seems to me that whenever there is a managerial change, the new guy doesn't alter the lineup that much in his first game. Whether that's to see what the ones in the shirt can do, because they haven't had time for wholesale change, because nobody else is better or just because they can't lose by doing it I don't know.

What I do know is that Smith in one post-match interview has given more insight and shown more tactical nous than our last bloke did in 2 years.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 22, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 22, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!
I presume it means in the way they close down, cutting off certain outlets and pushing defenders to make mistakes.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 22, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!
I presume it means in the way they close down, cutting off certain outlets and pushing defenders to make mistakes.
What's all this? After years of bruceball this is making my brain hurt
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 22, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!
I presume it means in the way they close down, cutting off certain outlets and pushing defenders to make mistakes.

Yep.  Usually involves holding off until the ball goes into a particular player or area and then pressing quickly.  Often happens when the opposition play out from the back into midfield.   
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2018, 03:59:47 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!

I believe they used fishing nets versus goal nets and dribbled around activated bear traps during their first training session. Any wrong move and we’ll...it’s a leg injury.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 22, 2018, 04:06:47 PM
Fucking hell, it's like thinks about his job!
Yes but when you know football inside out and you have 50 promotions under your belt there is no need to think. You will always be there or thereabout with a bit of magic now and then....oh and  rolling your sleeves up etc etc.

And you can employ three of your mates to ensure that everyone has their boots on.

Sleeves, Boots and Laces was Bruce's adaptation of Bibs and Cones.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 22, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
Quote
But that's part of his game that needs to get better.  I like the fact he was looking at getting into the penalty box, which is something he can improve upon.  He doesn't have the goals and assists someone of his talent should have - that is for me and the coaching staff to help him work on.  I invite players to ask questions and certainly asks questions.  He has that desire to get better"

I think I felt a bit of a twitch  :D

I like the fact he was taken off as well - as he needed to be. Once he realises he is no longer just allowed to go out there and do what he wants the better for him and for us.

DS is 100% correct - his talent is much better suited in and around the box where he could terrify defenders to touch him
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 22, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
New Deano interview.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 22, 2018, 04:14:34 PM
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But that's part of his game that needs to get better.  I like the fact he was looking at getting into the penalty box, which is something he can improve upon.  He doesn't have the goals and assists someone of his talent should have - that is for me and the coaching staff to help him work on.  I invite players to ask questions and certainly asks questions.  He has that desire to get better"

I think I felt a bit of a twitch  :D

I like the fact he was taken off as well - as he needed to be. Once he realises he is no longer just allowed to go out there and do what he wants the better for him and for us.

DS is 100% correct - his talent is much better suited in and around the box where he could terrify defenders to touch him

Encouraging that Jack's asking questions as well.  Even the best players in the world need coaching and they become the best players because they listen
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
I still want to know what ‘setting traps’ means!
I presume it means in the way they close down, cutting off certain outlets and pushing defenders to make mistakes.

I was amazed how often a Swansea ball carrier would be engulfed by three claret and blue shirts. For years now I've watched it happen to us time and again, but I'd always put it down to our shitness rather than any kind of sneaky underhanded coherent "coaching" on the part of the opposition. Who knew, eh!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 22, 2018, 04:31:36 PM
The only negative about him as that his voice reminds me of someone i hate.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
The best players in the world never want to stop learning, work the hardest in training. Love him or hate him, Ronaldo is the epitome of that and also works overtime in keeping himself in the best possible shape. If Jack wants to be the best he can be he needs to listen a lot, work as hard as possible and develop all aspects of his game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 22, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
And serves to highlight the difference between "pull wor boots up" and proper coaching.

Bruce wasn't the coach though he was the manager


I just glad we have a proper footballing set up now that doesn't rely on one man who didnt even turn up for training a lot of the time

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 22, 2018, 08:09:08 PM
And serves to highlight the difference between "pull wor boots up" and proper coaching.

Bruce wasn't the coach though he was the manager


I just glad we have a proper footballing set up now that doesn't rely on one man who didnt even turn up for training a lot of the time
This.
It's a massively important point.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 22, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
I'm no expert on tactics etc so I find it fascinating listening to him discuss game plans and team strategy.

A proper technical football coach. How refreshing
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2018, 11:46:26 PM
And serves to highlight the difference between "pull wor boots up" and proper coaching.

Bruce wasn't the coach though he was the manager


I just glad we have a proper footballing set up now that doesn't rely on one man who didnt even turn up for training a lot of the time
This.
It's a massively important point.

Yet 'the manager' couldn't sort it out.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 23, 2018, 11:15:40 AM
Don't know if it's the right thread but Mark Walters, once of this parish, is on Talksport after 12 noon.

Manure fans at the moment are wanting Rooney back in the Premier League after he's been playing well in MLS. Slight difference!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on October 23, 2018, 11:23:07 AM
Don't know if it's the right thread but Mark Walters, once of this parish, is on Talksport after 12 noon.

Manure fans at the moment are wanting Rooney back in the Premier League after he's been playing well in MLS. Slight difference!


Walters has an autobiography out so I am guessing he is plugging that.

As for Rooney, I think they way that the Manure fans feel about Mourinho they would have Shrek back as player manager in preference to 'the special one'.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on October 23, 2018, 12:10:39 PM
Pleased with the appointment.  He should have us playing decent football and bring some fresh ideas to the table.  Hopefully he should improve the defence too.  Think he was probably as good as we could get at the moment.  Play-offs is a realistic target for sure.  Who knows maybe even top two ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
And serves to highlight the difference between "pull wor boots up" and proper coaching.

Bruce wasn't the coach though he was the manager


I just glad we have a proper footballing set up now that doesn't rely on one man who didnt even turn up for training a lot of the time
This.
It's a massively important point.

Yet 'the manager' couldn't sort it out.
Agree the title is irrelevant the difference is you have a bloke who sees the team performance as his responsibility and does something about it and another who was too thick and lazy to bother.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 01:47:16 PM
Agreed CL. Bruce played for the sack. Got what he wanted but then, so did we. Win win.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 23, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
Smith has got his work cut out to keep this pile of crap out of the bottom six never mind a play off spot - massive rebuild required - starting at the back - especially keeper. Being realistic this season  is all about rebuilding the squad  - Bruce has left us in a right state -




Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 09:58:11 PM
Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 23, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Smith has got his work cut out to keep this pile of crap out of the bottom six never mind a play off spot - massive rebuild required - starting at the back - especially keeper. Being realistic this season  is all about rebuilding the squad  - Bruce has left us in a right state -

I disagree.  We've got 7 or 8 players would would walk in to any team in the league.  The other 3/4 are unfortunately all in our defence, but if we go with the attitude of scoring more than the opposition, once Deano's had time to work with them a bit we should be smashing this league and it'll be fun doing it.

It just comes down to whether we've wasted too much time on Bruce this season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 10:25:30 PM
I don't see us smashing anyone in this league tbh. We're just another mediocre team in the middle of the table as it stands and really our performances for pretty much the whole season have reflected that.

I do agree if our attacking players could actually stay fit then potentially it's a forward line that could be effective under the Smith style. Have we even started Adomah-Abraham-Bolaise once this season? For me it's our best option in attacking going forward although two went off injured tonight so no idea when we'll actually see it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 23, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
In his post match presser, I think Deano was/is being very respectful to the club, Bruce  and the players.
I am sure he would like to be honest and admit the fitness levels are piss poor and the players are a million miles away from where he would want them to be, but he won’t ‘diss’ the previous manager.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 23, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
Dean smith will get a tune out of this squad, we need to be in or very near the play off spots after Christmas.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:32:30 PM
The one saving grace is that I think we can and will get better. Defeats hurt, especially in the shoulder-shrugging manner of the one tonight, but Smith has to undo at least six months of bad habits and making do. He has a confirmed matchwinner in Grealish that he needs to turn around, and a medium-term grace period because of the paucity of quality at the back. A lot of managers, himself included, have had to work with far less.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
Poor substitution tonight the Hogan one.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 23, 2018, 10:35:21 PM
Just look at the attacking options at our disposal:

Abraham - scored 20 goals a season in this league
Hogan - scoring goals for fun at Brentford under Smith before we signed him
Kodjia - scored 20 goals a season in this league
McCormack - scored 20 goals a season in this league
Grealish - Spurs were willing to punt £25m on him
Hourihane - Barnsley's captain when we signed him
Lansbury - Forest's captain when we signed him
McGinn - looks quality at this level
Bolasie - Prem player
Adomah - scored for fun in the first half of last season
El Ghazi - playing in the Champions League for Ajax not that long ago

If we could enter two teams in the league we would be finishing top 2 with that lot!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 23, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
Smith has got his work cut out to keep this pile of crap out of the bottom six never mind a play off spot - massive rebuild required - starting at the back - especially keeper. Being realistic this season  is all about rebuilding the squad  - Bruce has left us in a right state -

I disagree.  We've got 7 or 8 players would would walk in to any team in the league.  The other 3/4 are unfortunately all in our defence, but if we go with the attitude of scoring more than the opposition, once Deano's had time to work with them a bit we should be smashing this league and it'll be fun doing it.

It just comes down to whether we've wasted too much time on Bruce this season.

Which 7 or 8?  I don’t see it

Bruce has just signed the so called decent players from other clubs without any thought as to how they fit together. I never want to see a midfield of Whelan, Hourihane and Grealish again

You look at Brentford and tonight Norwich and they have some excellent players. Most of whom I have never heard of

We just lack real quality across the whole squad
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
I don't agree that we lack quality. I think the problem is that we bought players who at one time were quality. I remember being really chuffed that we'd signed Jedinak because our midfield had no bite, but the player we got was more or less ready to be put out to pasture. Bruce's transfer policy was a little bit like opting for a takeaway when you should be filling the freezer - expensive, unwise and only able to fill a hole for a brief amount of time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 23, 2018, 10:51:19 PM
I don't agree that we lack quality. I think the problem is that we bought players who at one time were quality. I remember being really chuffed that we'd signed Jedinak because our midfield had no bite, but the player we got was more or less ready to be put out to pasture. Bruce's transfer policy was a little bit like opting for a takeaway when you should be filling the freezer - expensive, unwise and only able to fill a hole for a brief amount of time.

Or it could be simply that Bruce bought good players but did fuck all coaching with them and they've gone backwards.

But good players don't stop being good players overnight.  Now we've got an actual coaching set up in place I'm convinced we'll start to see the best of them - you never know, we may actually see a player we've signed improve while he's at the club!!!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 23, 2018, 10:53:46 PM
Chester, Whelan, Jedinak, Grealish, Hourihane, McGinn, Adomah, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Kodjia and Abraham would all walk into most teams in the division.

Literally, in the case of Whelan.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:57:06 PM
Whelan, Jedi and Hutton are gone - there's no chance of them getting back to the players they were (if they were players of note anyway). Partly that's age, partly that's shitty coaching and being used as utility men. I can totally see the logic of signing them: Bruce was probably told he had to get promoted for a myriad of reasons, in addition to his pride at being the "promotion specialist", but they were 1 season max players, like Terry ended up as, and are past their sell-by date.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 23, 2018, 10:58:44 PM
Smith out
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 23, 2018, 11:00:45 PM
Smith out

Assume you're joking mate ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villadelph on October 23, 2018, 11:01:49 PM
Dean smith will get a tune out of this squad, we need to be in or very near the play off spots after Christmas.


so there or thereabouts then?

In all seriousness, I think Dean will learn from tonight. Who he can trust, who "gets it", who puts in the work. Some players didn't check a single box tonight.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 11:08:15 PM
Can have all the attacking players but if you don't have the structure/grit at the back like we did last season we won't seriously challenge.

This year feels too much like 16/17 to me. The wrong manager in place at the start of the season, on paper a decent set of attacking options but our defence and midfield weren't good enough and we were mid table for the vast majority of that season.

Wouldn't shock me if this year is similar.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 11:17:28 PM
I’ll tell you how bad it is at the moment. Gary Gardner has gone on loan to that lot and has been a revelation
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 11:21:30 PM
Gardner's not a bad player at this level, he's played well in other loan spells in this league.

For whatever reason he could never get that performance level for us, maybe felt too much pressure, I don't know. Still got two years to run on his deal of course, we should recall him in January if we can as don't like him helping them go above us.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: alftitimus on October 23, 2018, 11:24:37 PM
After MON walked.... I've not trusted nor believed in any subsequent Manager.

I was at the away Norwich match where our supporters were singing praise to Lambert. Eventually Lerner got him. BRILLIANT.  ;D

Does one need to list the dead-heads with Golden P-45s that have trolled through our doors ? ? ?

Amateur Owners

From Lener to Xia to now.

Big Name Managers, floated, hyped and 'leaked' ... and we get D Smith from Brentford  :D

BRILLIANT..... somehow we've got some brains up there at last.

I always reckoned on Brentford ... though I always thought if they got up, they'd be straight down because of MONEY.
Bournemouth proved me wrong on that  8)

Yep, I'm Happy for once, since MON.

ONLY ONE little niggle.... but that can wait.

WE need the "New Manager Bounce"  OK



Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 23, 2018, 11:29:01 PM
Thats a shit poem.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 23, 2018, 11:31:02 PM
quality players for me are comfortable with the ball
we’ve seen again tonight ours aren’t

I found Smiths comments tonight a tad worrying
we didn’t deserve anything from that game
and we certainly weren’t better on the ball in the second half

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
And that one's not much better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 23, 2018, 11:37:11 PM
quality players for me are comfortable with the ball
we’ve seen again tonight ours aren’t

I found Smiths comments tonight a tad worrying
we didn’t deserve anything from that game
and we certainly weren’t better on the ball in the second half

I wouldnt worry to much about his comments, I think what hes saying in the dressing room vs what hes saying in the media is very different.
To be fair if it had ended in a draw then I dont think anybody could of had any complaints. They were shite first and definately had the better of the 2nd half but other than the 2 goals, which were mistakes from us, they had no other stand out chances. We hit the post and had Hourihanes shot at the beginning of the 2nd half so a draw wouldn't of been unfair.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on October 23, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
After MON walked.... I've not trusted nor believed in any subsequent Manager.

I was at the away Norwich match where our supporters were singing praise to Lambert. Eventually Lerner got him. BRILLIANT.  ;D

Does one need to list the dead-heads with Golden P-45s that have trolled through our doors ? ? ?

Amateur Owners

From Lener to Xia to now.

Big Name Managers, floated, hyped and 'leaked' ... and we get D Smith from Brentford  :D

BRILLIANT..... somehow we've got some brains up there at last.

I always reckoned on Brentford ... though I always thought if they got up, they'd be straight down because of MONEY.
Bournemouth proved me wrong on that  8)

Yep, I'm Happy for once, since MON.

ONLY ONE little niggle.... but that can wait.

WE need the "New Manager Bounce"  OK
Glad you’re happy Alf , and I think you’re right, at last we’ve got a manager with intelligence. I’m sure he will sort it out but of course he needs time. One week in and you can see what he’s trying to do ...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 24, 2018, 12:14:19 AM
My major problem with appointing Smith is he wouldn't get the time to ship out all the arse because our fans think we should be in the premiership full stop. Doesn't matter if we can stay there, we have rich owners, we can buy a new squad when we get up etc... well we saw that approach with Bruce and it didn't work. Me, i can live with another season in the championship if he turns us into a side who we won't be looking to totally replace if we get up. I really hope he gets the time personally and i won't be looking to judge the guy till after christmas 2020. By then and 3 transfer windows you'd hope he'd have a team mainly in his image.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 24, 2018, 12:44:06 AM
My major problem with appointing Smith is he wouldn't get the time to ship out all the arse because our fans think we should be in the premiership full stop. Doesn't matter if we can stay there, we have rich owners, we can buy a new squad when we get up etc... well we saw that approach with Bruce and it didn't work. Me, i can live with another season in the championship if he turns us into a side who we won't be looking to totally replace if we get up. I really hope he gets the time personally and i won't be looking to judge the guy till after christmas 2020. By then and 3 transfer windows you'd hope he'd have a team mainly in his image.

Just like SB next season is the time to properly judge imo.

Our name at this level at least will always attract players...hence how we got in Snodgrass and Terry last year and Bolaise and Abraham this.

I agree about shipping out players but likes of Whelan, Hutton and Jedinak are all out of contract so that is decent scope to release three of our highest earners and none of them really fit into the comfortable in possession ethos.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 24, 2018, 12:59:59 AM
My major problem with appointing Smith is he wouldn't get the time to ship out all the arse because our fans think we should be in the premiership full stop. Doesn't matter if we can stay there, we have rich owners, we can buy a new squad when we get up etc... well we saw that approach with Bruce and it didn't work. Me, i can live with another season in the championship if he turns us into a side who we won't be looking to totally replace if we get up. I really hope he gets the time personally and i won't be looking to judge the guy till after christmas 2020. By then and 3 transfer windows you'd hope he'd have a team mainly in his image.

Just like SB next season is the time to properly judge imo.

Our name at this level at least will always attract players...hence how we got in Snodgrass and Terry last year and Bolaise and Abraham this.

I agree about shipping out players but likes of Whelan, Hutton and Jedinak are all out of contract so that is decent scope to release three of our highest earners and none of them really fit into the comfortable in possession ethos.

yep, its very very early days. i don't see us as a quick fix as the side that got to a play-off final no longer exists. It was temporary by definition and design. Win our home games and draw and lose away and we won't be that far off this season, but really lets get some sort of squad built for the future.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2018, 03:29:25 AM
I just love his honesty. Maybe it’s just him being a Brummie but even in defeat he sounded genuine. It will get better. I’m convinced of it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 24, 2018, 05:53:07 AM
I did think he was a bit overly positive. Buy wouldn't read too much into it
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on October 24, 2018, 07:14:49 AM
He's not going to throw anyone under the bus, not after 2 games.  He's looking at what he's got and giving everyone a clean slate, i'm happy with that approach.  That also means though that he cant be making knee jerk comments post match.  It's basically up to the players now in training and games for the next month.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
Next month? Come January 1st we could very easily be stuck in the bottom six. We need players in and there is little hope of shifting many out. The guy deserves a massive bonus if he gets up top ten this season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 24, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
the fundamental problem is Smith hasn't got enough players who can play in the way he wants them to
ie control, pass, move

the defence are playing out from the back as we saw last night, but none of them are comfortable on the ball so they tie themselves in knots and look awkward

the rest of the team bar a couple just struggle with the ball at there feet and lose possession to quickly
Ball retention is a massive part of Smiths football philosophy but many of our players are just not capable in that department and I fear never will be

Smith will have to find players who can play his way, whether we bring them in over time or find them in the youth squads I don't know

I'm delighted with the new direction, and I love what Smith is at least trying to do, that's a positive
but I'm not going to pretend the cards he had been dealt are good enough when they are not
that's not being unessesarily negative it's just what you can see on the pitch

the stats last night re shots and the ball hitting the post etc, we can talk all we like about how a second goal would have changed the game but that's what we did with Bruce make excuses when the reality is we were second best at actually controlling and passing the ball especially second half

I don't buy this 'best squad in the championship' stuff, unfortunatly for the way Smith wants to play they arnt as good as the ones he left

it's only a negative if we don't change and move in the new direction, but Smith had been bought in to do just that so that's the positive,
I refute claims of people last night being overly negative when it's clear at least to me he has been handed a group of Bruce players with poor ball retaining skills, the good news is he's been bought in to change that and I believe he can and will





Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on October 24, 2018, 10:37:05 AM
Ball retention is a massive part of Smiths football philosophy but many of our players are just not capable in that department and I fear never will be
This is not a dig at the poster - just a general comment - I do not believe any Championship player is incapable of this, they are (no matter what you think of them) professionals and professionals can be coached to be better.

Let's see if we improve in the months leading up to January, as every Villa player knows that barring FFP, we have the money to replace them. The ball is in their court.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 10:39:26 AM
that's theBruce legacy for you - being forced into buying yet more players and ending up with a squad bigger than Uranus.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
that's theBruce legacy for you - being forced into buying yet more players and ending up with a squad bigger than Uranus.

We already knew we are short of defenders. Smith should have some time after Friday to start looking at the whole squad and assessing some of the fringe and younger players to see if they can do a job as well as working with the more established group, the schedule so far has not allowed that. It will take time and I think a degree of patience is needed.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
Hopefully we can move players on too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2018, 11:05:56 AM
Poor substitution tonight the Hogan one.

The players kept playing the ball up to him, like Bruce would have had them do. He's not a hold-up player, he needs the ball played in behind like Vardy does at Leicester. I imagine Smith would have noted that and will be working on it in training and might go with Kodija in preference if he feels it's not working yet.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 11:09:55 AM
 
the fundamental problem is Smith hasn't got enough players who can play in the way he wants them to
ie control, pass, move

the defence are playing out from the back as we saw last night, but none of them are comfortable on the ball so they tie themselves in knots and look awkward

the rest of the team bar a couple just struggle with the ball at there feet and lose possession to quickly
Ball retention is a massive part of Smiths football philosophy but many of our players are just not capable in that department and I fear never will be

Smith will have to find players who can play his way, whether we bring them in over time or find them in the youth squads I don't know

I'm delighted with the new direction, and I love what Smith is at least trying to do, that's a positive
but I'm not going to pretend the cards he had been dealt are good enough when they are not
that's not being unessesarily negative it's just what you can see on the pitch

the stats last night re shots and the ball hitting the post etc, we can talk all we like about how a second goal would have changed the game but that's what we did with Bruce make excuses when the reality is we were second best at actually controlling and passing the ball especially second half

I don't buy this 'best squad in the championship' stuff, unfortunatly for the way Smith wants to play they arnt as good as the ones he left

it's only a negative if we don't change and move in the new direction, but Smith had been bought in to do just that so that's the positive,
I refute claims of people last night being overly negative when it's clear at least to me he has been handed a group of Bruce players with poor ball retaining skills, the good news is he's been bought in to change that and I believe he can and will


The 2 centre backs can play and pass .
Tuanzabe stood out yesterday not hust defending but his passing and was  90.2% season high accuracy .

Chester at 85.2% and along with Grealish has been most consistent in his passing accuracy and are the two most successful passers at the club.

Along with them is Glenn Whelan made 73 passes last night and has high 90% passing accuracy so was doing his job and has done in his matches generally regards finding his team mates his stats in the few games he's played this season and last night indicate to me he'll be involved under Smith.

The problem in ball rention yesterday then was with Hutton and Taylor they were below 75%

The other issue the movement for Abraham has constantly posted poor figures in passing the ball at 63% and 47% in his last matches . This is part him and part options.
However I have seen him closely and consider he needs to up his passing decisions as simple lay offs have been avoided and flicks and we passing have been made.

The other issue is passing ball forward and Hourihane who considered the more attacking midfielder rarely does more than sideways let alone forward. Also his movement after a passing is way off. As a central player it's not nearly good enough despite 85% accurate passing yesterday he was not fulflling his role in developing attacks.


Adomah and Elmohamedys also need to move more without the ball and have seen Hutton first half and Taylor less over lap and this sort of movement needs to be recognized by fellow team mates and also made by players

Similar to Abraham yesterday Adomah had given ball away in part to lack of movement in options in part to passing to him when he's isolated and in part to poor decisions by player to pass to a team mate.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 11:19:49 AM
Ball retention is a massive part of Smiths football philosophy but many of our players are just not capable in that department and I fear never will be
This is not a dig at the poster - just a general comment - I do not believe any Championship player is incapable of this, they are (no matter what you think of them) professionals and professionals can be coached to be better.

Let's see if we improve in the months leading up to January, as every Villa player knows that barring FFP, we have the money to replace them. The ball is in their court.

I'm with you Neil.

And developing movement as smithy been saying working without the ball and concentration to make opportunity in forward play passing means the game style of the team can be achieved as it takes the coaching ideas to come into practice.

More accuracy in passing and more passes forward come with a developed idea to play higher to win the ball back and to give more options.
Ball retention can be achieved by more players consistently if as a team and players movement is good off the ball.

They are all professional and with the right coaching and development we will (but shouldn't be) surprised that villa can easily become a passing team

The beauty is they are high end and top quality players it's just getting the movements into spaces and passing will be made more with less worry of losing possession

And with the idea to win back the ball quicker and playing the passes forward more than back anf side ways really can have allot of positives.
Jack Grealish despite my frustrations on him can really come alive in a development as all round play if this coaching comes off 

It a win all round
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2018, 11:54:07 AM
the fundamental problem is Smith hasn't got enough players who can play in the way he wants them to
ie control, pass, move

the defence are playing out from the back as we saw last night, but none of them are comfortable on the ball so they tie themselves in knots and look awkward

the rest of the team bar a couple just struggle with the ball at there feet and lose possession to quickly
Ball retention is a massive part of Smiths football philosophy but many of our players are just not capable in that department and I fear never will be

Smith will have to find players who can play his way, whether we bring them in over time or find them in the youth squads I don't know

I'm delighted with the new direction, and I love what Smith is at least trying to do, that's a positive
but I'm not going to pretend the cards he had been dealt are good enough when they are not
that's not being unessesarily negative it's just what you can see on the pitch

the stats last night re shots and the ball hitting the post etc, we can talk all we like about how a second goal would have changed the game but that's what we did with Bruce make excuses when the reality is we were second best at actually controlling and passing the ball especially second half

I don't buy this 'best squad in the championship' stuff, unfortunatly for the way Smith wants to play they arnt as good as the ones he left

it's only a negative if we don't change and move in the new direction, but Smith had been bought in to do just that so that's the positive,
I refute claims of people last night being overly negative when it's clear at least to me he has been handed a group of Bruce players with poor ball retaining skills, the good news is he's been bought in to change that and I believe he can and will

Totally agree John.  Smith and his staff are going to need time to put together the kind of squad capable of playing the style he wants to implement.  I do hope that there was an understanding of this from those calling for his appointment and that patience will be shown.   
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on October 24, 2018, 11:54:57 AM
Thank you footyskillz
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 24, 2018, 12:05:32 PM



Bringing Bree in now and giving him the chance to impress and benching Hutton would be a great start
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 12:17:06 PM
I would agree pretty much with every word of some high quality posts.  My only change would be the addition of the words "basic technique" to "ball retention".  If we are to break free of the curse of slow, safety first, cross field football we have to have players with the best technique that can be coached into them.  Start to depend on players that need two or more touches when there needs to be only one to seize an opportunity and you struggle and we do struggle.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
I just love his honesty. Maybe it’s just him being a Brummie but even in defeat he sounded genuine. It will get better. I’m convinced of it.

Hmmm. His assessment of the game didn't really accord with what was actually witnessed.  We were dire, and yet he said we played well second half.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 24, 2018, 02:47:29 PM
I just love his honesty. Maybe it’s just him being a Brummie but even in defeat he sounded genuine. It will get better. I’m convinced of it.

Hmmm. His assessment of the game didn't really accord with what was actually witnessed.  We were dire, and yet he said we played well second half.

Without him sounding "lamberkesque" I think it is about trying to motivate players that are new to him. I am sure he is already making his assessments known to his staff and the Richard Madley lookalike
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 24, 2018, 02:56:16 PM
It's gonna take time, a whole lot of precious time
It's gonna take patience and time, ummm
To do it, to do it, to do it,
to do it, to do it
to do it right child UTV!!!


Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 24, 2018, 03:09:11 PM
I think he probably believes the most important thing is for the players to believe in his methods. We wanted someone with a clear philosophy

Perhaps he saw the players trying to do the things he wants and wants to encourage that

It was always likely that there will be problems as we transition. Well almost certainly give away sloppy goals by overplaying as we do

I just hope the fans tolerate a bit of that. I'm already seeing people complaining that some fans are criticising Smith already, though not seem much of that myself
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
I think he probably believes the most important thing is for the players to believe in his methods. We wanted someone with a clear philosophy

Perhaps he saw the players trying to do the things he wants and wants to encourage that

It was always likely that there will be problems as we transition. Well almost certainly give away sloppy goals by overplaying as we do

I just hope the fans tolerate a bit of that. I'm already seeing people complaining that some fans are criticising Smith already, though not seem much of that myself

Yep, he hasn't even had the chance to put together a proper backroom team yet so patience is definitely required. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 24, 2018, 03:38:04 PM
I think he probably believes the most important thing is for the players to believe in his methods. We wanted someone with a clear philosophy

Perhaps he saw the players trying to do the things he wants and wants to encourage that

It was always likely that there will be problems as we transition. Well almost certainly give away sloppy goals by overplaying as we do

I just hope the fans tolerate a bit of that. I'm already seeing people complaining that some fans are criticising Smith already, though not seem much of that myself

Yep, he hasn't even had the chance to put together a proper backroom team yet so patience is definitely required. 

I'd save money the on a goalkeeping coach for now, no way you can improve these monkeys.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2018, 04:21:04 PM
Ball retention was never a requirement of the previous regime. And for those who could do it, it was coached out of them. It will now need to be coached back into the current players. Those who can do it well will be kept. Those who can’t will be sold.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 05:10:28 PM
to whom? Why would anyone want to buy a player who is incapable of retaining the ball?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 24, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
to whom? Why would anyone want to buy a player who is incapable of retaining the ball?

I mean, whoever that bloke was who bought him for Villa might get another job.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
to whom? Why would anyone want to buy a player who is incapable of retaining the ball?

Not every team/manager plays a ball retention style.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2018, 06:12:15 PM
What's frustrating for me is we're finally doing what I wanted us to do the first season down here. Start from the beginning and build to a defined plan that is sustainable and can be carried on by future managers, unfortunately as we're doing it in season 3 we've wasted 5 transfer windows and countless millions buying players that aren't suited to playing that way.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 06:18:58 PM
Spot on PWS
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
What's frustrating for me is we're finally doing what I wanted us to do the first season down here. Start from the beginning and build to a defined plan that is sustainable and can be carried on by future managers, unfortunately as we're doing it in season 3 we've wasted 5 transfer windows and countless millions buying players that aren't suited to playing that way.
Yup.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 24, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
What's frustrating for me is we're finally doing what I wanted us to do the first season down here. Start from the beginning and build to a defined plan that is sustainable and can be carried on by future managers, unfortunately as we're doing it in season 3 we've wasted 5 transfer windows and countless millions buying players that aren't suited to playing that way.
Yup.

Yup x 2
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 24, 2018, 06:59:50 PM
I really hope he gets the time.  I’m talking this season and next at least even if we don’t go up this year which I’m convinced we won’t.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2018, 07:07:56 PM
I really hope he gets the time.  I’m talking this season and next at least even if we don’t go up this year which I’m convinced we won’t.

I’m sure he will, and rightly so. It’d would have to be a truly diabolical run over an extended period for him to be under threat. I don’t see that happening, I suspect we’ll get better and better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 24, 2018, 07:16:31 PM
I don’t know why but I feel really fcukin pissed off and down about us at the minute.  Bruce’s negligence has turned us into a crock of shit at the back with no spine whatsoever.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 24, 2018, 07:18:59 PM
What's frustrating for me is we're finally doing what I wanted us to do the first season down here. Start from the beginning and build to a defined plan that is sustainable and can be carried on by future managers, unfortunately as we're doing it in season 3 we've wasted 5 transfer windows and countless millions buying players that aren't suited to playing that way.

100% this, as you say " frustrating", hopefully we get it right this time !
Patience by all  is what is now required
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 07:23:04 PM
What's frustrating for me is we're finally doing what I wanted us to do the first season down here. Start from the beginning and build to a defined plan that is sustainable and can be carried on by future managers, unfortunately as we're doing it in season 3 we've wasted 5 transfer windows and countless millions buying players that aren't suited to playing that way.

This is probably why I was so harsh on Bruce, he was a choice made for a shit reason that perpetuated the cycle that saw us relegated and, as I expected all along, has left us 2 years down the line with very little to show for it.

Smith is exactly the type of manager we should've been looking for when they decided to ditch RDM and, if he focuses on young player with pace, energy and solid technique (as he did at Brentford) then the transfer policy will be right as well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
The only tiny addition I would make is that I think the change of philosophy should have happened as soon as Eric Black took over.  We went down like a basket case team of serial losers.  We should have been preparing to hit the Championship like Dean Smith is going to get us playing now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 24, 2018, 07:36:27 PM
I find it astonishing that we are talking about highly paid "professional" footballers who are unable to make simple passes or even control the ball - how can it be that some players are " not comfortable on the ball " it's their job/ trade. They will have been kicking a ball from an early age - they train daily - how can each and every one of them not be adept at basic skills? It's like a builder turning up on site and not being able to use a hammer or an office worker not knowing how to use a PC.
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 24, 2018, 07:41:16 PM
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

We can't though, can we? The transfer window is closed. So the only thing to do is make the best of what we've got and for Smith to try to hammer some basics into them for the next two months.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2018, 07:42:28 PM
WM post-match interview (https://audioboom.com/posts/7057875-dean-smith-on-the-2-1-defeat-to-norwich)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
It’s going to be a lot like when you first take golf lessons. Your game is struggling, your swing looks awful. But through good coaching, while your game might get worse initially, it will get better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 07:46:13 PM
The only tiny addition I would make is that I think the change of philosophy should have happened as soon as Eric Black took over.  We went down like a basket case team of serial losers.  We should have been preparing to hit the Championship like Dean Smith is going to get us playing now.

My biggest issue with Black was that he did fuck all to prepare the club for the championship, we could've got anyone off the street to do what he did at the end of that season. When we went for RDM I was willing to give him a chance and I think some of his signings were sensible but I'd have rather he'd have not bothered with McCormack and got another midfielder instead, preferably someone with some energy. We all love McGinn largely because he's the long overdue replacement for Delph.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 24, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

We can't though, can we? The transfer window is closed. So the only thing to do is make the best of what we've got and for Smith to try to hammer some basics into them for the next two months.
Yea I know - I didn't mean like tomorrow :)
Unfortunately it will be difficult to do and will take at least two transfer Windows I would imagine
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 24, 2018, 07:55:15 PM
I find it astonishing that we are talking about highly paid "professional" footballers who are unable to make simple passes or even control the ball - how can it be that some players are " not comfortable on the ball " it's their job/ trade. They will have been kicking a ball from an early age - they train daily - how can each and every one of them not be adept at basic skills? It's like a builder turning up on site and not being able to use a hammer or an office worker not knowing how to use a PC.
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

I completely disagree with the view that they can't retain the ball.  Our midfield isn't made up of cast aways and rejects - we went around picking off smaller clubs' best players - Hourihane - Barnsley captain; Lansbury - Forest captain; Jedinak - Palace captain; Adomah - virtual ever present the year Boro got promoted; Grealish - one of the most comfortable players on the ball most have ever seen.

To say this lot aren't comfortable on the ball is frankly bollocks.  What's more likely is that they've spent the last two year being "coached" by Bruce to not worry about that side of things and have got in to the wrong mindset.  Give Deano some time with them and they'll be more than fine.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
The new owners should have potted Bruce and got Smith in in the summer.  Then he'd at least have a chance with some of his own players instead of the car crash squad that Bruce has assembled.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
The new owners should have potted Bruce and got Smith in in the summer.  Then he'd at least have a chance with some of his own players instead of the car crash squad that Bruce has assembled.
No, he needed more time.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 24, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
I find it astonishing that we are talking about highly paid "professional" footballers who are unable to make simple passes or even control the ball - how can it be that some players are " not comfortable on the ball " it's their job/ trade. They will have been kicking a ball from an early age - they train daily - how can each and every one of them not be adept at basic skills? It's like a builder turning up on site and not being able to use a hammer or an office worker not knowing how to use a PC.
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

I completely disagree with the view that they can't retain the ball.  Our midfield isn't made up of cast aways and rejects - we went around picking off smaller clubs' best players - Hourihane - Barnsley captain; Lansbury - Forest captain; Jedinak - Palace captain; Adomah - virtual ever present the year Boro got promoted; Grealish - one of the most comfortable players on the ball most have ever seen.

To say this lot aren't comfortable on the ball is frankly bollocks.  What's more likely is that they've spent the last two year being "coached" by Bruce to not worry about that side of things and have got in to the wrong mindset.  Give Deano some time with them and they'll be more than fine.
Thanks for your reasoned response - could have done without "bollocks" comment -  but each to his own - as for the
"Wrong mind set" - we are talking about adults here and not young kids - given time I hope Smith can mould a decent side
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
Paul, that is my complaint about Black too.  We were dead in the water when he took over.  He had a free hit.  Our fight to return to the Premiership should have begun the day relegation became a mathematical certainty.  Instead the first of our seasons in the second tier set a pattern of unpreparedness repeated in the second season and now repeated in the third.  It is an essay in lazy, bungling, slapdash, there or thereabouts management, coaching and administration.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: London Villan on October 24, 2018, 08:46:37 PM
It’s the reason the albion have started relatively well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 08:48:19 PM
It’s going to be a lot like when you first take golf lessons. Your game is struggling, your swing looks awful. But through good coaching, while your game might get worse initially, it will get better.
I hope your right. Wait change that. You are right.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 08:57:48 PM
I don’t know why but I feel really fcukin pissed off and down about us at the minute.  Bruce’s negligence has turned us into a crock of shit at the back with no spine whatsoever.
Make no mistake. Bruce left us with an unbalanced, incoherent,unfit squad. Deliberately imo. But we have been overhauled from the very top down. We have the structure and financial backing in place to return to the top echelons with a vengeance. It will come but we the fan base need to be patient and back Smith & co to the hilt.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 24, 2018, 09:03:29 PM
I find it astonishing that we are talking about highly paid "professional" footballers who are unable to make simple passes or even control the ball - how can it be that some players are " not comfortable on the ball " it's their job/ trade. They will have been kicking a ball from an early age - they train daily - how can each and every one of them not be adept at basic skills? It's like a builder turning up on site and not being able to use a hammer or an office worker not knowing how to use a PC.
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

I completely disagree with the view that they can't retain the ball.  Our midfield isn't made up of cast aways and rejects - we went around picking off smaller clubs' best players - Hourihane - Barnsley captain; Lansbury - Forest captain; Jedinak - Palace captain; Adomah - virtual ever present the year Boro got promoted; Grealish - one of the most comfortable players on the ball most have ever seen.

To say this lot aren't comfortable on the ball is frankly bollocks.  What's more likely is that they've spent the last two year being "coached" by Bruce to not worry about that side of things and have got in to the wrong mindset.  Give Deano some time with them and they'll be more than fine.

Not with this squad he won’t. Too many players on a big pay day who simply aren’t good enough or are past it. We have no pace in the team and very few who can continually beat a man. Like mentioned last night I just hope we have some younger players who are good enough to step up in th next few months. We aren’t going anywhere fast with the likes of Whelan, taylor, Hutton, Lansbury Hourihane, Jedinak, Elmo and probably BB
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 24, 2018, 09:05:46 PM
I find it astonishing that we are talking about highly paid "professional" footballers who are unable to make simple passes or even control the ball - how can it be that some players are " not comfortable on the ball " it's their job/ trade. They will have been kicking a ball from an early age - they train daily - how can each and every one of them not be adept at basic skills? It's like a builder turning up on site and not being able to use a hammer or an office worker not knowing how to use a PC.
By all means they may take a while to be familiar with fresh tactics or coaching methods but basic stuff like ball retention and accurate passing is something they should have been comfortable with by the time they graduated from junior football let alone youth football. We should stop making excuses for them - if they aren't comfortable then ship em out

I completely disagree with the view that they can't retain the ball.  Our midfield isn't made up of cast aways and rejects - we went around picking off smaller clubs' best players - Hourihane - Barnsley captain; Lansbury - Forest captain; Jedinak - Palace captain; Adomah - virtual ever present the year Boro got promoted; Grealish - one of the most comfortable players on the ball most have ever seen.

To say this lot aren't comfortable on the ball is frankly bollocks.  What's more likely is that they've spent the last two year being "coached" by Bruce to not worry about that side of things and have got in to the wrong mindset.  Give Deano some time with them and they'll be more than fine.
Thanks for your reasoned response - could have done without "bollocks" comment -  but each to his own - as for the
"Wrong mind set" - we are talking about adults here and not young kids - given time I hope Smith can mould a decent side

The "bollocks" comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you VCTM - there are plenty on here suggesting our players are inherently poor, when their careers prior to joining the Villa prove they're not.

As for adults vs kids - take anyone of any age, and keep telling them to do something a certain way for two years solid and they'll become accustomed to doing it that way.  It's not going to change overnight but they were good players before and with the right coaching they can be good players again*.

*Except for Neil Taylor - he's just crap! ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 24, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
I am personally chuffed Dean Smith is now in charge and hope his team can push for the play offs as the season progessis, a win Friday would be great but now is the time to stick together and let the powers that be turn this ship around, and they will.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 25, 2018, 08:19:21 AM
Agree Pvb.  There is a golden future.  We have to reach out and grab it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Taylor on October 25, 2018, 08:40:33 AM
I don’t know why but I feel really fcukin pissed off and down about us at the minute.  Bruce’s negligence has turned us into a crock of shit at the back with no spine whatsoever.
Make no mistake. Bruce left us with an unbalanced, incoherent,unfit squad. Deliberately imo. But we have been overhauled from the very top down. We have the structure and financial backing in place to return to the top echelons with a vengeance. It will come but we the fan base need to be patient and back Smith & co to the hilt.
You wanted him gone, I wanted him gone. He's gone. But to suggest that he deliberately sabotaged the club is way off the mark, and dare I say it "hysterical".
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 25, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Have we massively underachieved, had  poor managers, just not very good, or a combination of all three?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 25, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
Have we massively underachieved, had  poor managers, just not very good, or a combination of all three?

We have been poorly run as a club over a number of years starting towards the end of MON’s time which has meant poor appointments at all levels with no coherent strategy. The optimist in me thinks that this time it looks as though we are going about things in the right way; the pessimist in me says it will all go to shit because it always does; the pragmatist  in me is saying wait and see.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kipeye on October 25, 2018, 11:14:34 AM
Forgive the long post but I don't post a lot these days-the fact I am interested again is relevant. I was far less downbeat about the Norwich performance than many on here. This is not about a game but about our new management. Some have pointed out that we actually had a shape and pattern up until the double injuries. It looked really different to what we have seen before and arrived in a very short time of preparation. Although Hogan was poor again and Ghazi struggled to defend as well as Albert, it is going to need time for the whole squad to blend, but the signs for the starting 11 are very good.
Since the false dawn of MON the only management team that inspired me were Sherwood and crew, who I thought were a perfect fit. Like the Fantastic Mr. Fox that lasted far less than my original admiration for Tony Blair! So it is with some caution that I am delighted we finally made the choice to go with Smith and Terry, as everything about it looks right for what we need.
Playing higher up the pitch and to individuals strengths, establishing a settled formation and first 11, seems like a no-brainer, but no-one has done this before and I think we will see it happen very quickly.
If we do not go up this season, I will not blame anyone and will settle for taking every game seriously. I actually thought we were very good against Norwich and were ultimately unlucky. I seem to be in the minority when I thought Jack had a great game. Anything can happen Friday, but with Ginny back I think we will get stronger each game-but not necessarily win every time.
Forget Bruce-he did his best and left us better than he found us in many ways, and forget all that has come before and start afresh. We do have a very talented set of players and good youngsters in the wings. We have not yet seen good coaching of either for many years. I cannot remember so many players failing to achieve or going elsewhere and improving so much more. This will change. UTV.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on October 25, 2018, 11:39:51 AM
I agree with a lot of what you say kipeye.
I too agree that Jack had a good game, I think a few others in the team could have shown more, but it seemed they were happy for jack to take most of the responsibility to try and make something happen.

I think Smith will have learnt more about the team and squad in defeat and hopefully he will have a plan to correct some of the problems.
It’s not going to be a quick fix, but if we can keep the top 6 in sight by the turn of the year I think we could kick on and still finish in the play offs.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 25, 2018, 12:50:43 PM
I hope they all write us off to take any pressure off and we use the January window well, before doing a Fulham. I trust Dean Smith whatever.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 25, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Have we massively underachieved, had  poor managers, just not very good, or a combination of all three?

We have been poorly run as a club over a number of years starting towards the end of MON’s time which has meant poor appointments at all levels with no coherent strategy. The optimist in me thinks that this time it looks as though we are going about things in the right way; the pessimist in me says it will all go to shit because it always does; the pragmatist  in me is saying wait and see.

And that fence is telling me 'Get off me Chris, you're killing me.' :-)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 25, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
Have we massively underachieved, had  poor managers, just not very good, or a combination of all three?

We have been poorly run as a club over a number of years starting towards the end of MON’s time which has meant poor appointments at all levels with no coherent strategy. The optimist in me thinks that this time it looks as though we are going about things in the right way; the pessimist in me says it will all go to shit because it always does; the pragmatist  in me is saying wait and see.

And that fence is telling me 'Get off me Chris, you're killing me.' :-)

I think it summed up my view on it as well. And even though I know we all need to be patient it's getting harder to be so, with every new dawn.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 25, 2018, 02:02:13 PM
I agree too Kipeye, I thought we did ok and I'm pretty sure Dean was confident we would go on and win it but the double injury and letting in a poor goal did us.  Smith just said in his press conference that he put Hogan on to run the channels and stretch them but as soon as he went on we conceded so the plan didn't work.  He said that Hogan did run the channels but the rest of the team never found him which I guess you never see watching on TV because we all assumed he played crap.  At least he was honest enough to say that in retrospect Kodj might have been a better option, but least we now know he had a plan. 

I think we are all feeling a bit frustrated simply because we are so low down in the league and we can see shit teams moving ahead of us, and yet a couple of wins and we are right back in the mix.  Having 3 games in six days and an international break before that has not helped of course, but I'm sure Dean knows he doesn't have the luxury of time
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 25, 2018, 02:45:02 PM
Press conference here.

He speaks really well and does inspire confidence that he will get things right in due course.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/24/dean-smith-press-conference-qpr

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2018, 09:58:04 PM
Right Dean lots of hard work to do mate.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 26, 2018, 10:18:41 PM
We could be 17th or 18th after tomorrow's games ......I sincerely hope Smith can get something out this squad ( of individuals rather than team players) otherwise we are deep in the shit - all very well playing better football but not if the end result is the same ....an already long season looks even longer ...January recruitment is vital but I doubt we will be in with a shout for the play offs ..... when was the last time we were so low in the second division ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 26, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
We could be 17th or 18th after tomorrow's games ......I sincerely hope Smith can get something out this squad ( of individuals rather than team players) otherwise we are deep in the shit - all very well playing better football but not if the end result is the same ....an already long season looks even longer ...January recruitment is vital but I doubt we will be in with a shout for the play offs ..... when was the last time we were so low in the second division ?

The previous 3 seasons we've spent in this division including under SGT.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 26, 2018, 10:27:34 PM
Trying to play football with a Steve Bruce side.  Almost impossible with a lazy bunch of fucks ghat they are.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 26, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
We could be 17th or 18th after tomorrow's games ......I sincerely hope Smith can get something out this squad ( of individuals rather than team players) otherwise we are deep in the shit - all very well playing better football but not if the end result is the same ....an already long season looks even longer ...January recruitment is vital but I doubt we will be in with a shout for the play offs ..... when was the last time we were so low in the second division ?

The previous 3 seasons we've spent in this division including under SGT.
Really? For some strange reason I'd airbrushed that from my memory ...... I was thinking late 60`s
Irrespective it's all very concerning .... I wish I could share the optimism many have for Smith  -  I think the task in front of him is bigger than both  he and many of us thought - I wish him luck
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 26, 2018, 10:29:24 PM
Getting there. It's nice to see us put out a team selection where i can see what he's trying to do after Bruce where it was generally "wtf is he doing now?". Unfortunately at the moment he's compromised by what he's got at his disposal which isn't even a coherant squad, but at least he see's the problems you do and is trying to patch things up. Tonight was frustrating, but apart from the defensive fucks-up,  the players obviously not comfortable with his style of play, and players fluffing scoring chances i reckon we're on the right track :o
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2018, 10:31:17 PM
This season will be similar to 16/17 I fear. Look at our 11 and there are many comparisons with what we had two years back and the results are reflecting this.

I will judge Dean from start of next season, exactly the same yardstick I used with Steve Bruce. He has next six months to shape the team and we need to come out flying next season so a good run at some point will be useful.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 26, 2018, 10:31:23 PM
I think we're going to get irritating results until January I'm.afraid. It may be too late by then, but this is the hand we've been dealt.

Maybe with a full week Smith might have room to breathe and see who is available in the u23s.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 26, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
We started W1 D3 L3 under SGT, we should remember the RDM start and the crap start last season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on October 26, 2018, 10:33:58 PM
I think we're going to get irritating results until January I'm.afraid. It may be too late by then, but this is the hand we've been dealt.

Maybe with a full week Smith might have room to breathe and see who is available in the u23s.

I think you are right.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 26, 2018, 10:35:22 PM
He's come into a job in an international break, missing half of his squad and straight into 3 games. It's almost unfair. I expect after a few weeks of actual training we'll be better. But it's a hell of a hill to climb.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 26, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
We could be 17th or 18th after tomorrow's games ......I sincerely hope Smith can get something out this squad ( of individuals rather than team players) otherwise we are deep in the shit - all very well playing better football but not if the end result is the same ....an already long season looks even longer ...January recruitment is vital but I doubt we will be in with a shout for the play offs ..... when was the last time we were so low in the second division ?

The previous 3 seasons we've spent in this division including under SGT.

Go, Deano
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 26, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
I think we're going to get irritating results until January I'm.afraid. It may be too late by then, but this is the hand we've been dealt.

Maybe with a full week Smith might have room to breathe and see who is available in the u23s.
A genuine question to you Ads - do you  think we have anyone with  sufficient quality in Under 23`s to improve the first eleven?  We are looking for aspiring leaders on the pitch ...anyone fit the bill ?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 26, 2018, 10:42:07 PM
Nothing much wrong with this start from Dean it’s the position he started from that is the problem.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: myf on October 26, 2018, 10:43:29 PM
A full week of coaching so hoping we start to see a difference this time next week. If not could be a relegation battle with the run of games coming up
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on October 26, 2018, 10:43:49 PM
Please give the guy a chance. He needs to instill some confidence into the players who currently look weak through no real belief. He needs to tell them how good they are while trying to find replacements for those that aren't good enough or are past it (Hutton is past it, Nyland, Taylor and Chester aren't good enough).

Once he sorts the defence out, the rest will sort out itself.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Vegas on October 26, 2018, 10:48:52 PM
Nothing much wrong with this start from Dean it’s the position he started from that is the problem.

Yes he inherited a lopsided and underperforming squad, but I think we all hoped for a little more than 3 pts from 3 games. He’ll sort it out but it’s a poor start.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 26, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
I think we're going to get irritating results until January I'm.afraid. It may be too late by then, but this is the hand we've been dealt.

Maybe with a full week Smith might have room to breathe and see who is available in the u23s.
A genuine question to you Ads - do you  think we have anyone with  sufficient quality in Under 23`s to improve the first eleven?  We are looking for aspiring leaders on the pitch ...anyone fit the bill ?

I don't know. Doyle-Hayes I wonder about as I think he's very good on the ball. He's the one that would be in my thinking.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: achilles on October 26, 2018, 11:18:25 PM
Bruce has left us with a totally unbalanced squad which Smith has to try and get some semblance of a team out of, which is going to prove difficult.
People have to accept that this situation is not going to improve overnight and probably not till January when Smith may be able to get a whole new defence or at least one or two proper defenders in and a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 26, 2018, 11:20:46 PM
Bruce has left us with a totally unbalanced squad which Smith has to try and get some semblance of a team out of, which is going to prove difficult.
People have to accept that this situation is not going to improve overnight and probably not till January when Smith may be able to get a whole new defence or at least one or two proper defenders in and a goalkeeper.
I agree and I think our striker situation is also a problem.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 27, 2018, 12:11:13 AM
Bruce has left us with a totally unbalanced squad which Smith has to try and get some semblance of a team out of, which is going to prove difficult.
People have to accept that this situation is not going to improve overnight and probably not till January when Smith may be able to get a whole new defence or at least one or two proper defenders in and a goalkeeper.
I agree and I think our striker situation is also a problem.

There's nothing wrong with our strikers - we've got four strikers on the books who've scored more than 20 goals a season in this division.  The issue is with the system they've been played in, not the players themselves.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 27, 2018, 02:04:59 AM
Nothing much wrong with this start from Dean it’s the position he started from that is the problem.

Spot on, he's been here less than 2 weeks, without the benefit of a full Squad due to the international break, so what do you expect? He's taken over another managers team and he will attempt to mould them into his concept. That isn't going to happen overnight or even ten nights! Patience is the key, to open the AVFC conundrum
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 27, 2018, 07:27:19 AM
He's had a full squad this week surely? Bruce left him with a bum hand, no doubt, but he hasn't got the luxury of time on his side. We have an awful run of games before the transfer window might offer a glimmer of hope, but a lot of damage can be done between now and then thanks to a defence which can't defend and a midfield/ forward line without last season's goals/assists from Albert, Hourihane and Snoddy to name but three.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 27, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
We chose a manager with a clear method and approach that will take time

We'll improve if he gets it

People at the game last night reporting comments from some fans that he's no better than bruce; and multiple "get it forward " comments during the game

This is what will undo him. It's ridiculous
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
Yeah plenty of dead head comments.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 27, 2018, 08:21:06 AM
I must admit I didn’t hear any comments about Smith
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 08:23:25 AM
Some Carling induced div was telling me how shit Grealish was though.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 27, 2018, 08:28:38 AM
Probably the same Carling induced div that got us an extra 40 minutes kettled in the rain at Millwall for yelling obscenities at the ground staff.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 27, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Some Carling induced div was telling me how shit Grealish was though.

He has been for a fair chunk of this season, but he was decent at Norwich and back to looking like our best player last night.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 08:49:41 AM
And he's going to be better if we can find a way for somebody else to drop deep.

It was a decent performance last night. We lacked maybe those clear cut chances we had against Swansea, but we should still have scored. The goal was an utter disaster.

I can be patient with this. I sense we'll be good at home and vulnerable away.

We can't be anymore than 9 adrift come January.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 27, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
I’m pretty happy with the formation he’s playing, I think it’s the best fit for the players available. Barney is close to making the DM position his own, the forwards look like being regularly rotated. Surprisingly I think Elmo has been the most consistent of them over the last three last games and he’s certainly the best crosser we have so it makes sense to have him high up the pitch.

I’m more confident now than I was when Smith was appointed.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
I'd see Elmo move to full back for Bolasie to come in wide.

Full backs are a big problem.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 27, 2018, 09:29:30 AM
He's had a full squad this week surely?

Yes he has, but he's also had two games to get through this week as well. He's not going to get them playing to how he wants to overnight, it's something we'll have to be patient with. We just need to pick up some points along the way and last night we should have.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 27, 2018, 09:30:45 AM
I’m not sure about both Bolasie and Kodja both playing in a three, both are a bit maverick and we could return to the midfield sitting too far back as they don’t want to overcommit when either has the ball.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 27, 2018, 09:33:33 AM
I'd see Elmo move to full back for Bolasie to come in wide.

Full backs are a big problem.

That's what i'd do as well. It was Hutton who should have gone off last night instead of Elmo. Like someone else has also said, I'd have put Jedinak on instead of Whelan but then again, he can't pass the ball either and we gave it away too many times in the first half as it was.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 27, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
I'd see Elmo move to full back for Bolasie to come in wide.

Full backs are a big problem.
Definitely. The more I see of the much-feted Hutton the less I rate him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 27, 2018, 09:41:11 AM
I think he's going to persevere with this back four. Hopefully they'll now be drilled to the point that lines and gaps occupy their every thought.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: London Villan on October 27, 2018, 09:43:48 AM
Elmo for hutton would be my choice. At least he can cross when he does get forward.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 27, 2018, 09:54:49 AM
Tbf*, wasn't it Hutton that put in the cross when a defender somehow managed to nip in ahead of Abraham in front of goal? Good ball that, whoever it was.

*no inference should be taken from this that my opinion of our fullbacks is anything other than that they are generally shit.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 27, 2018, 11:12:05 AM
He's had a full squad this week surely?
Yes he has he has also had to prepare for 3 matches in 7 days hardly time to study, reflect and properly plan. In those  matches he beat a very good Swansea team and lost 2 away by a single goal against  in form teams. The two defeats were not thrashings and with a bit of luck both could have gone our way. So ok 3 out 9 does not look good on paper but I think he has done well.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 27, 2018, 11:26:37 AM
The problem here is that a lot of Villa fans expect and demand instant success - when you're crap for 8 years no one likes the thought of another season down in the Championship. Not helped by Wolves, Blues and Albion above us either.

 I do believe we need to give Smith this season and next at least to sort it out properly.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 27, 2018, 01:30:48 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we still haven't done a full on training day with all the squad under him. A lot of clubs don't do them the day before and after a game and the way it's worked it with the international break is every day has been one of those days since they came back.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 27, 2018, 01:34:09 PM
we must have done some coaching because we are playing in a totally different way than what we did before

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 27, 2018, 01:37:29 PM
They'll be training obviously, but it probably won't have been full on sessions.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 27, 2018, 02:13:44 PM
Tbf*, wasn't it Hutton that put in the cross when a defender somehow managed to nip in ahead of Abraham in front of goal? Good ball that, whoever it was.

*no inference should be taken from this that my opinion of our fullbacks is anything other than that they are generally shit.

That was Elmo.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2018, 02:14:03 PM
If he didn't think he had his work cut out before, he will do now.  Another season in this godforsaken league, FFS.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2018, 02:15:58 PM
There were many positives about the game. But Dean is going to be limited by what he has. It’s remarkable to see a Villa side with so much possession.

It wasn’t a shock to see us completely inept in the final third because Bruce coached goals out of this team.

And it was completely expected to see us concede a stupid goal because that’s what Bruce left us with at the back. Sub standard footballers.

And the most expected thing was once we conceded we know we wouldn’t come back. And the players knew it too. Their confidence because of all the things I mentioned combined is just shot as soon as we fall behind.

These are all things that will take time and money to fix. In Dean I trust.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 27, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Tbf*, wasn't it Hutton that put in the cross when a defender somehow managed to nip in ahead of Abraham in front of goal? Good ball that, whoever it was.

*no inference should be taken from this that my opinion of our fullbacks is anything other than that they are generally shit.

That was Elmo.

That'll teach me to try and be nice!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 27, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
May have lost yesterday, but we were playing some really good football, once we get going we will be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: FatSam on October 27, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
In the second half last night, when losing away from home (admittedly against a fairly average side) we were really going for it. There was a period where we had them on the ropes in a way that I don’t remember us doing under Bruce. Too many games recently we have just finished with a whimper.

I was there last night, and also away at Reading in Bruce’s first season, and we played a lot better last night. From memory the Reading game was a cagey affair, where we closed the it down and fed off scraps. I recall Bacuna having one of the best chances by just bundling through. Jedinak won everything in the air, but repeatedly gave the ball away.

Bruce made us difficult to beat, which is what we needed at the time. We need something different now, but still need to retain some defensive resilience. Despite all the possession we looked very vulnerable in transition last night. QPR broke incisively, and we didn’t know how to stop them. I suppose one solution would be to give the ball away less, but we don’t have the players for that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 02:45:37 PM
I saw positive signs. I genuinely did. We played with a big of tempo, but January cannot come quick enough.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 27, 2018, 05:30:50 PM
We’re going to be just fine, the signs are there. There’s still a huge amount to do at BMH and probably a bit of tinkering with players (again) in January. However at least the players will be selected for our system and not just because we can get them.

If we’re here in this league next season I won’t be too worried now we have Deano and his team here.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 27, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
Unfortunately all new managers have to go through a process of trying to work out what they have and how to utilize them.
He has started by putting the most obvious players in the obvious positions and building from there.
You can see what he is trying to do but we have some pretty limited footballers.
As they say life is not about being dealt a good hand it’s playing a bad hand well.
I am glad he is our manager.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on October 29, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 29, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

He's one of them but seems to have a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: badminton on October 29, 2018, 11:36:39 AM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

He's one of them but seems to have a lot of potential.
He's also been injured more than fit over the past 3 years.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 29, 2018, 11:47:18 AM
Unfortunately all new managers have to go through a process of trying to work out what they have and how to utilize them.
He has started by putting the most obvious players in the obvious positions and building from there.
You can see what he is trying to do but we have some pretty limited footballers.
As they say life is not about being dealt a good hand it’s playing a bad hand well.
I am glad he is our manager.

The irony is that the one player in our back four we thought would be vulnerable is turning out to be our best defender.  The other three are experienced ex-Premier League players who seemingly aren't good enough for the Championship....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: MalcolmP on October 29, 2018, 12:18:11 PM

And the most expected thing was once we conceded we know we wouldn’t come back. And the players knew it too. Their confidence because of all the things I mentioned combined is just shot as soon as we fall behind.


???? We have more points gained from being behind than any other team in this league.

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 29, 2018, 12:57:55 PM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

I think the first three Brentford players we would go for would be the keeper, Chris Mepham (centre half) and Ollie Watkins (wide forward). 

They would all cost decent money though and I'm not sure Brentford would be overly keen on selling to us. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 29, 2018, 01:10:21 PM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

I think the first three Brentford players we would go for would be the keeper, Chris Mepham (centre half) and Ollie Watkins (wide forward). 

They would all cost decent money though and I'm not sure Brentford would be overly keen on selling to us. 


I Don't think they would like us too much after that
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 29, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
I bet he's wondering what to do not having a game tonight.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 29, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

I think the first three Brentford players we would go for would be the keeper, Chris Mepham (centre half) and Ollie Watkins (wide forward). 

They would all cost decent money though and I'm not sure Brentford would be overly keen on selling to us. 
We could send Hogan back in part-ex ....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 29, 2018, 04:18:36 PM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

I think the first three Brentford players we would go for would be the keeper, Chris Mepham (centre half) and Ollie Watkins (wide forward). 

They would all cost decent money though and I'm not sure Brentford would be overly keen on selling to us. 
We could send Hogan back in part-ex ....

Not a bad shout at all.

On that podcast with the Brentford fan a week or so again he mentioned Mepham and reckoned that his next move would be to a Prem Club.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on October 29, 2018, 04:39:35 PM
i think we might be carried away with the Jan window thinking a lot of are problems will be over,
 i cant see it

we probably cant spend a load of money anyway and getting in quality players to replace half the team which is needed isn't going to happen in one window
just getting in a couple of defenders who can improve us will be a big result imo, but even that wont be easy
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 29, 2018, 05:16:54 PM
Spending money on new players is only part of the rebuild.  Without a sense of playing style and player discipline, coaching, intelligent tactical management, fitness, squad rotation planning, improved scouting including psychological assessments of targets and player morale reinforcement no rebuild is going to succeed or endure.  All our eggs are in the one basket.  That basket is Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 29, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
Apparently he still only gets three training sessions with them this week.  They were given the weekend off and are back in today, then they get a midweek day off.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 29, 2018, 05:39:38 PM
Just so long as there is time to put the hair dryer in their faces and tell them to take throw ins correctly and not score own goals with goalkeeper pass backs it will be a start.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: rougegorge on October 29, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
Would not be surprised to see us make a move for Rico Henry

I think the first three Brentford players we would go for would be the keeper, Chris Mepham (centre half) and Ollie Watkins (wide forward). 

They would all cost decent money though and I'm not sure Brentford would be overly keen on selling to us.

Not a bad shout, with the exception of the keeper, who's been having a nightmare and is very error prone.

Interesting that Brentford have gone to pot since Smith left, which could be taken as a good sign, although some of their fans are saying it had been on the cards. Sounds familiar? 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 29, 2018, 06:20:16 PM
If this not an indictment of Bruceball I don’t know what is

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/29/axel-tuanzebe-youtube-interview
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 29, 2018, 06:33:05 PM
Apparently he still only gets three training sessions with them this week.  They were given the weekend off and are back in today, then they get a midweek day off.

3 sessions for 1 game is better than 3 sessions for 3 games!

They're already adapting. We were no better or worse than Norwich, should have put 4 on Swansea and dominated QPR.

It will come.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SO Villa on October 29, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
In the second half last night, when losing away from home (admittedly against a fairly average side) we were really going for it. There was a period where we had them on the ropes in a way that I don’t remember us doing under Bruce. Too many games recently we have just finished with a whimper.

I was there last night, and also away at Reading in Bruce’s first season, and we played a lot better last night. From memory the Reading game was a cagey affair, where we closed the it down and fed off scraps. I recall Bacuna having one of the best chances by just bundling through. Jedinak won everything in the air, but repeatedly gave the ball away.

Bruce made us difficult to beat, which is what we needed at the time. We need something different now, but still need to retain some defensive resilience. Despite all the possession we looked very vulnerable in transition last night. QPR broke incisively, and we didn’t know how to stop them. I suppose one solution would be to give the ball away less, but we don’t have the players for that.

The point about us being vulnerable to the counter-attack is something I noticed as well. This is purely because, under Bruce, we committed so few players forward that we never exposed ourselves to the counter. That is the genius of Bruceball.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on October 30, 2018, 07:10:19 AM
Spending money on new players is only part of the rebuild.  Without a sense of playing style and player discipline, coaching, intelligent tactical management, fitness, squad rotation planning, improved scouting including psychological assessments of targets and player morale reinforcement no rebuild is going to succeed or endure.  All our eggs are in the one basket.  That basket is Dean Smith.
Can't believe you called Dean Smith a basket. He's only been at the club 5 minutes 😉
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mallo on October 30, 2018, 12:44:31 PM
If this not an indictment of Bruceball I don’t know what is

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/29/axel-tuanzebe-youtube-interview

Very telling. Makes you wander what Bruce did all day. Certainly not talk to his coaches or 'prepare', whatever that is! Is Forestieri playing on Friday <winky thing>
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 30, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
If this not an indictment of Bruceball I don’t know what is

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/29/axel-tuanzebe-youtube-interview
Well, he comes across very well … my impression of him has really improved over the last 2-3 games. Yes, he is loose with his passing but I think he could become a very good CB, given more gametime.
What that idiot Bruce was doing playing him at RB defies belief.

What we need now is a really good LCB to play alongside either him or Chester. Right now, with the right LCB, I'd almost favour Tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
Younger players tend to respond better and quicker to coaching. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 31, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Younger players tend to respond better and quicker to coaching. 

Do you know what, that is an excellent point.  Does make you wonder what Dean will do when he has time to stamp his mark.  Will we see a clear out of the old pros followed by an influx of new young and hungry and the likes of O'Hare getting a chance because they are prepared to listen?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nelson Lodge on November 02, 2018, 04:26:52 PM
According to Express & Star Deano has recruited  GK coach Neil Cutler from WBA. Knows him from his Walsall days. Plus according to Wiki Cutler was on Villa's books in 1999-2000 as a gk, playing one premier league game.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: mallo on November 04, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
I see that Terry Henry isn’t pulling up any trees at Monaco... bullet dodged if indeed it was a bullet. In which case it was a non bullet, non story and this comment will self destruct.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on November 05, 2018, 08:41:01 AM
The new staff have had a very stop-start beginning to their coaching sessions at BH due to fixtures and internationals but from the very first game the improvements in playing style and tactics (I had to look that up) are obvious. Axel already looks ten times better, mainly due to him being played  his rightful position, and I was astounded in flashes at the difference they've made to Jacks game. At times he glides past players effortlessly only for some useless lump to hack him down. Given a few more weeks with the new staff and I believe Grealish will finally emerge into the player we all thought/hoped he would be. Exciting times ahead methinks.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on November 05, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
I see that Terry Henry isn’t pulling up any trees at Monaco... bullet dodged if indeed it was a bullet. In which case it was a non bullet, non story and this comment will self destruct.
4 matches in - 2 losses and 2 draws (including a draw in the Champions League). Both loses by only 1 goal. So DS is currently 4 points better off with 2 wins and 2 defeats comparing the 4 games played. Monaco though are currently 2nd from bottom. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on November 05, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
The new staff have had a very stop-start beginning to their coaching sessions at BH due to fixtures and internationals but from the very first game the improvements in playing style and tactics (I had to look that up) are obvious. Axel already looks ten times better, mainly due to him being played  his rightful position, and I was astounded in flashes at the difference they've made to Jacks game. At times he glides past players effortlessly only for some useless lump to hack him down. Given a few more weeks with the new staff and I believe Grealish will finally emerge into the player we all thought/hoped he would be. Exciting times ahead methinks.

The goal showed what is possible. I think it's the first time I've ever seen Jack make a run beyond the back four and collect a through ball
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 05, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
If this not an indictment of Bruceball I don’t know what is

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/10/29/axel-tuanzebe-youtube-interview

Very telling. Makes you wander what Bruce did all day. Certainly not talk to his coaches or 'prepare', whatever that is! Is Forestieri playing on Friday <winky thing>

SB was just like MON, left most of the weeks training to Agnew, Calderwood and Clemence and then would view things on a Friday to make his presence felt.

He also said in an interview at Sunderland he wasn't interested much in the tactical side of football.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 05, 2018, 12:29:44 PM
Love the fact we have a coach that explains things...

Most of our previous mangers have been quite arrogant and condescending to the fanbase. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.

I agree. I guess it's the same with any manager, who knows if they're good enough until they try? He is at least training players, identifying areas to improve, making changes during games and the revelation of showing Grealish 3 clips at half-time to improve his second half is quite unique.

He'll have the ability with us to do whatever it is he wants to do. There will be no restrictions on technology, equipment or facilities.

It's been nice to watch us play the last few games, and the possession statistics are something else in comparison to what we're used to. They say possession doesn't indicate anything, but what it does do is stop the opposition being able to score, allows players to have more opportunity to create something and gives the fans something to hold on to.

I think this will be a ride we'll all enjoy.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2018, 01:59:40 PM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.

Are you suggesting he was a better appointment than early betting favourite David Moyes would have been?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on November 05, 2018, 03:23:46 PM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.
Dave, who are you not sure is good enough? Axel? Or Jack? I initially read it as Axel but on re-reading The Edge's post again thought you may have meant Jack.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on November 05, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.
Dave, who are you not sure is good enough? Axel? Or Jack? I initially read it as Axel but on re-reading The Edge's post again thought you may have meant Jack.


I think Dave means Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on November 05, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
I'm not altogether sure whether he's good enough to get us to where we want to be, but when we do get there it will be in no small part down to Smiffy. He's shown more progressive thinking in four weeks than our previous six managers combined.
Dave, who are you not sure is good enough? Axel? Or Jack? I initially read it as Axel but on re-reading The Edge's post again thought you may have meant Jack.


I think Dave means Smith.
Oh right, I really did get the wrong end of the stick then.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2018, 02:01:03 PM


Fuck me! A manager who references Guardiola like he's in the same profession as him, and that he can learn from him, rather than thinking of him a a mystical being who must be feared. This could end up turning out ok.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2018, 03:02:05 PM
As long as we don’t see any backpasses from our goalkeeper...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: boozey182 on November 08, 2018, 04:12:48 PM
When Bruce spoke, I would think "he doesn't know very much about modern football". When Smith speaks I think "I don't know very much about modern football". And that's exactly what I want from a manager.  We'll be fine with him, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2018, 06:32:00 PM
When Bruce spoke, I would think "he doesn't know very much about modern football". When Smith speaks I think "I don't know very much about modern football". And that's exactly what I want from a manager.  We'll be fine with him, I'm sure of it.

Exactly right, I feel the same.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on November 08, 2018, 07:52:15 PM
When Bruce spoke, I would think "he doesn't know very much about modern football". When Smith speaks I think "I don't know very much about modern football". And that's exactly what I want from a manager.  We'll be fine with him, I'm sure of it.

Exactly right, I feel the same.

i watched all that 10 minute clip that was posted

my biggest fear about Smith was he is British and I have a really low opinion of British managers at the moment
 (I admit I’m a bit paranoid about it)
the old ones doing the rounds and the younger ones not much better than clones of them, not a tactical plan amongst them apart from ‘keeping it tight’

but he talks better than I expected, it’s actually like listening to a foreign manager talking tactics with a brummie accent

as for Bruce I never listened to one press conference not a single one
I was never interested in anything he had to say for two years I just turned him off
I got the gist of things from on here so I did know about the ‘thereabouts’ stuff, I just couldn’t bear the guy trying to talk football

I was really pleased when Smith got appointed but I dare say it was probably more to do with finally saying goodbye to Bruce than anything to do with Smith

but I think he’s been really impressive not just talking a good game but actually seeing it taking shape on the pitch
not perfect and loads of room for improvement but that’s a good thing

really do think we might have found the right one this time
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2018, 12:54:05 AM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.

Can't seem to get rid of that cough though!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2018, 09:39:26 AM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.

Can't seem to get rid of that cough though!!

I know how he feels.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 09, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
It is starting to look like the last great British manager being Ferguson. Last English manager to win the top flight championship? Howard Wilkinson, Leeds 92. Therefore the PL has never been won by an Englishman? In fact I don't think there's been many over the past 30 years, although there have been a few Scots, Dalglish and Graham in addition to Fergie. Last English manager to win the 2nd tier...?
How many have managed in the CL..?
I do think Smith is the right man for us at this point and he'll do well though. But from those stats you can see what John and Dave are saying about the long term.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on November 09, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.

Can't seem to get rid of that cough though!!
That's a concern, does anyone know if he smokes?

And whilst we're on the subject of the videos, why doesn't someone edit them properly? Looks really amateurish/pish.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 09, 2018, 03:59:10 PM
One day another English manager will win the premiership. Why shouldn't it be Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2018, 07:20:37 PM
One day another English manager will win the premiership. Why shouldn't it be Dean Smith.

[Dave] Because it doesn't exist. [/Dave]
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: CT on November 09, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.

Can't seem to get rid of that cough though!!

Bob Fleming.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 09, 2018, 11:32:13 PM
Me too.  Plus he actually looks like a manager.
Yep, he looks like he could take part in the training sessions  not just hear from his coaches what had happened.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
Looks like Deano is looking to bring in a set pieces coach at some point.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 01:04:16 PM
Looks like Deano is looking to bring in a set pieces coach at some point.

Can they start with throw ins?! I've been waiting a decade or more to see a Villa team actually know what to do with a throw in.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: algy on November 10, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
Looks like Deano is looking to bring in a set pieces coach at some point.
See, I've been wondering about this. The club pay, what, at least £5000 a week per player on wages, even for cheapish squad players, so £250,000 per year. You'd think at a bare minimum they could afford £50000 a year to get someone with a sports science degree as a coach / personal trainer for each player.

The amount of money the club has pissed up the wall on Micah Richards alone, there's no reason why the club shouldn't be spending good money to get the same marginal gains that Team GB do in cycling. They should be squeezing out that extra 1% passing accuracy, 1% better throw-ins, making the players 1% faster, ....

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
Would a 1% better throw in be passing it to the opposition's head rather than their feet?!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
Looks like Deano is looking to bring in a set pieces coach at some point.

Can they start with throw ins?! I've been waiting a decade or more to see a Villa team actually know what to do with a throw in.

Was listening to Klopp the other day who said he brought in a coach to oversee throw ins.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 10, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
It's something that occurs, what, dozens of times in a game? The more I think about it, the dafter it seems to not have a thoroughly professional approach to what should be an advantageous situation.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ez on November 10, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
3 wins from 6 games for Dean. He's already matched Bruce for league wins this season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on November 10, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
3 wins from 6 games for Dean. He's already matched Bruce for league wins this season.

3 wins from 5 games
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ian J on November 10, 2018, 05:20:55 PM
He’s the real deal....this time I’ll say it with confidence.
Now we’re being coached and not just managed (badly).
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 05:21:35 PM
Last 3 games we've had 18, 17 and 21 shots.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 05:23:29 PM
Hi Dean, is there a Mrs Smith? Asking for a 'friend' as I don't love you loads at all. Honest.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on November 10, 2018, 05:23:44 PM
Last 3 games we've had 18, 17 and 21 shots.

Blimey!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ez on November 10, 2018, 05:29:37 PM
3 wins from 5 games for Dean. He's already matched Bruce for league wins this season.

3 wins from 5 games
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: ez on November 10, 2018, 05:30:22 PM
3 wins from 5 games for Dean. He's already matched Bruce for league wins this season.

3 wins from 5 games

Corrected. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on November 10, 2018, 05:33:42 PM
What I like (on top of 3-0 away wins) is that Dean Smith didn't show any signs of panic after those dodgy couple of results.  He really might be the manager wee been waiting for since MON flounced. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Dave P on November 10, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Let’s not get carried away. I’m sure a Steve Bruce team would have won 3-0 with more possession, shots and passes.  Lol.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 10, 2018, 05:38:40 PM
What I like (on top of 3-0 away wins) is that Dean Smith didn't show any signs of panic after those dodgy couple of results.  He really might be the manager wee been waiting for since MON flounced. 

Fuck MON.

Dean could be the manager we've been waiting for since He Who Walks On Water left.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on November 10, 2018, 05:40:59 PM
What I like (on top of 3-0 away wins) is that Dean Smith didn't show any signs of panic after those dodgy couple of results.  He really might be the manager wee been waiting for since MON flounced.
Martin O'Neill was the start of all of the problems. Don't compare him with Dean Smith just yet.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
Or better still, fucking enjoy playing well for once and not give a fuck what anyone else thinks.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Diablo on November 10, 2018, 05:48:47 PM
Hi Dean, is there a Mrs Smith? Asking for a 'friend' as I don't love you loads at all. Honest.
Hahaha! I've got to admit there was a point I was concerned for your well being (after the Bristol City and Millwall match lowlights posts) and I was worried you'd be tipped over the edge/forever lost down the rabbit hole, during the gruelling course of the season. Delighted to know that you're now perfectly fine and that you lead the long and healthy DS man crush queue. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 10, 2018, 05:49:03 PM
Or better still, fucking enjoy playing well for once and not give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

Enjoy the moment...I fuckin am
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2018, 05:51:50 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.

I can't recall a single away performance like that 2nd half in years and years. It was a bit special.

We're going up.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2018, 05:53:36 PM
After all the shit we've had for so long, who gives a tuppeny fuck what anybody else thinks.  Smith has got a plan and a vision, and we're only going to get better.  That performance and result today will have the rest of the league shitting themselves.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 10, 2018, 05:54:39 PM
This result will be great for confidence ·······Still early days but he is obviously making a difference already - if the plug had been pulled on Bruce a few games earlier who knows where we would stand currently - onwards and upwards - hopefully with reinforcements in January we can kick on and secure at least a play off spot - exciting times ahead I hope


Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: gpbarr on November 10, 2018, 05:55:38 PM
The messiah
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 10, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.

We've just destroyed one of the promotion favourites away. I'd be surprised if any supporters wouldn't be celebrating.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.

If you look at his time at Brentford, Smith set his teams out to play the exact same way every week. No matter the opponent.

No team wins every week, and for his time there at this level his success was directly correlated to available resources. If we have a defined, positive approach coupled with significantly superior resources, now and in January we will have every chance of maintaining this level of play. The players are growing in belief. You saw that today. And the result will be such a boost for them. It will validate what the manager and coaches have been preaching. It’s enjoyable to play this way, and even better when we win.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on November 10, 2018, 06:00:25 PM
What I like (on top of 3-0 away wins) is that Dean Smith didn't show any signs of panic after those dodgy couple of results.  He really might be the manager wee been waiting for since MON flounced. 

Fuck MON.

Dean could be the manager we've been waiting for since He Who Walks On Water left.

Haha!  I get where you're coming from.  I suppose I meant that we've had a collection of bad / underwhelming / bizarre appointments since MON, who for a while brought the club close to where it should be.  Let's hope Smith actually does that.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 10, 2018, 06:03:43 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.
Yes quite however I posted at HT that I had heard enough from the first half to realise that this was a different Villa and even a non positive result would have not altered that fact. We went on to have a better second half  and that's been rare in the past few seasons.  Of course  last season we fell short after similar results v Wolves/SHA/Cardiff so the trick now would be be to keep improving.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on November 10, 2018, 06:06:07 PM
Early days of MON was the last time I felt like we had a manager who could outthink his opponents and knew significantly more about management than the average fan. Have the same feeling about Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2018, 06:08:53 PM
After all the shit we've had for so long, who gives a tuppeny fuck what anybody else thinks.  Smith has got a plan and a vision, and we're only going to get better.  That performance and result today will have the rest of the league shitting themselves.

Exactly. Today was no one-off, we've seen hints of it these last four weeks. We've finally arrived to the 21st century.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on November 10, 2018, 06:09:37 PM
“ I told the lads I’ve come here for the win not a draw”

Music to my ears
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on November 10, 2018, 06:11:16 PM
Early days of MON was the last time I felt like we had a manager who could outthink his opponents and knew significantly more about management than the average fan. Have the same feeling about Smith.


Same.  But MON also was the right 'fit' for Villa in a way that Smith also feels - that is so important for a manager I think.  It could be the start of something really great. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 06:11:49 PM
“ I told the lads I’ve come here for the win not a draw”

Music to my ears

He goes into every game irrespective of the opponent with that approach. I fucking love it. I enjoyed it when watching Brentford. No fear at all. The belief this will build in the squad is just enormous.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on November 10, 2018, 06:18:23 PM
Also it’s just the bleedin’ obvious approach when you’ve got an embarrassment of attacking options compared with all your opponents, as we’ve had the whole time we’ve been down here. Damn Bruce.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 06:22:02 PM
On paper the Villa squad is probably worth close to £150m. The forwards at the club, and I include Hogan and RM has to worth £60-75m alone. Whereas we should been playing with big dick owning swagger given those resources Bruce reduced us to a neutered shitting, shaking puppy.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on November 10, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
Yep. Today is great but it makes me feel a bit sick about the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2018, 07:04:42 PM
Let's all calm down a bit. We'd be absolutely destroying them if this thread was on SHA.

I can't recall a single away performance like that 2nd half in years and years. It was a bit special.

We're going up.

In the first half when we kept missing it actually reminded me of Brighton away which was probably along with Boro second leg our best away performance under SB when you consider the opposition.

We didn't kick on after that performance, hopefully we do now.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 10, 2018, 07:10:07 PM
Yep. Today is great but it makes me feel a bit sick about the last 2 seasons.

Don’t look back...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2018, 07:20:58 PM
I bloody love Dean Smith, his post match comments are a breath of fresh air.  I'm now less worried about the job being too big for him, and am instead nervous about how he'll react when Real Madrid come a knocking! ;)
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 10, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Cloud Nine..


Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
On paper the Villa squad is probably worth close to £150m. The forwards at the club, and I include Hogan and RM has to worth £60-75m alone. Whereas we should been playing with big dick owning swagger given those resources Bruce reduced us to a neutered shitting, shaking puppy.

Pretty much this, everything about Bruce screamed of a manager who preferred being the underdog but you just can't do that when you've got one of the best squads in the league and are manager of the biggest club outside the top flight. Everyone at the club should know that we will always be a bigger club than everyone we've faced since relegation and we should play with that in mind, no complacent but confident that our players are just too good. If we can drill that into them (Grealish and McGinn in particular will benefit from this) we've got nothing to be scared of in this league.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 10, 2018, 07:40:13 PM
And to think, some people said the Villa job would be too big for Dean Smith....
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
My only concern about Smith is how he'll react to a big defeat (no necessarily a high score, just an important game). If he sticks to what he knows and treats it as a blip then he'll be fine, if it plays on his mind then his lack of big club experience might be a problem. I suspect he'll do the former but until it happens it'll still be te small concern in the background.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 10, 2018, 07:52:39 PM
My only concern about Smith is how he'll react to a big defeat (no necessarily a high score, just an important game). If he sticks to what he knows and treats it as a blip then he'll be fine, if it plays on his mind then his lack of big club experience might be a problem. I suspect he'll do the former but until it happens it'll still be te small concern in the background.

You mean like the Norwich defeat?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 07:52:56 PM
My only concern about Smith is how he'll react to a big defeat (no necessarily a high score, just an important game). If he sticks to what he knows and treats it as a blip then he'll be fine, if it plays on his mind then his lack of big club experience might be a problem. I suspect he'll do the former but until it happens it'll still be te small concern in the background.

So a quick anorak moment. Last season Brentford lost 3-0 (their heaviest loss scoreline) at Wolves and came back to win 2 straight games. A couple of months later they lost by the same scoreline at Derby and came back to draw, then 2 wins which included a 5-0 lampooning of the rags. Season before that they lost 5-0 at Norwich and came back to win the next 2.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Holy Trinity on November 10, 2018, 07:54:26 PM
I think we may have found our Alex Ferguson here. Not saying we are going to dominate world football for 20 years like United tried and for the most part did.
I more mean how he had united playing exactly how he wanted them and it didn't matter what 11 he put out they always looked pretty much the same and as a result the club rebuilt around the success.
I really think barring a disastrous injury to one of our key players that the prem next season is a real possibility and challenging for the top 6 and cups within a few season is also a real possibility and all the while building a real legacy at villa. I like to think Smith wouldn't  turn his back on us for a chance at a bigger club down the line. But let's face it if the big boys are sniffing we will have to be in a very good position anyway.

I am very positive again now
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 07:56:03 PM
Thing is you don't need to be Alex Ferguson to play a defined style and commit to it. You can be Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe. You just cannot be Steve F Bruce.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2018, 07:57:13 PM
I'm not sure about us finding an Alex Ferguson. I'd say we've possibly found our own Eddie Howe.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
Thing is you don't need to be Alex Ferguson to play a defined style and commit to it. You can be Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe. You just cannot be Steve F Bruce.

Bruce has gone. Let it go. Just try looking forward.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 08:01:57 PM
Bruce held us back massively, even to his biggest supporters it must be obvious now considering what the same players are capable of under Smith. So as it was only 6 weeks ago that we looked like a bag of shit people aren't going to stop mentioning it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
Promotion is way more than a 'possibility' - we're only 7 points off automatic with almost 30 matches still to go. 

To hit that magical 2 points per game total (which may not be necessary this year given how largely crap the division is) we need 68 points from 29 games.  That's 21 wins, 5 draws, and 3 losses. 

To put that in to context, after 17 games last season Fulham were 17th.  In their next 29 matches they won 21, drew 5 and lost 3.

It's on...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
Thing is you don't need to be Alex Ferguson to play a defined style and commit to it. You can be Chris Wilder or Eddie Howe. You just cannot be Steve F Bruce.

Bruce has gone. Let it go. Just try looking forward.

You're right. But given how massively different it is now it's not unusual that people are going to reference the former manager for context. And we're on a place where MON was discussed ad nauseum many years after his departure.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2018, 08:07:28 PM
Bruce held us back massively, even to his biggest supporters it must be obvious now considering what the same players are capable of under Smith. So as it was only 6 weeks ago that we looked like a bag of shit people aren't going to stop mentioning it.

Maybe not but he's gone now. I prefer to look forward. Mind you, Paul Lambert still has his own thread and we've had 4 managers since he went.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
I doubt the fans of any club on the planet have stopped talking a manager 6 weeks after he left. Especially when the gulf in ability between the old and new is already looking massive.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on November 10, 2018, 08:11:54 PM

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Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on November 10, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
I always said that it was a mistake to have sacked Bruce.  ;D
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Paul McGrath
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Dean Smith so much respect to you pal  #UTV
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2018, 10:03:30 PM
Promotion is way more than a 'possibility' - we're only 7 points off automatic with almost 30 matches still to go. 

To hit that magical 2 points per game total (which may not be necessary this year given how largely crap the division is) we need 68 points from 29 games.  That's 21 wins, 5 draws, and 3 losses. 

To put that in to context, after 17 games last season Fulham were 17th.  In their next 29 matches they won 21, drew 5 and lost 3.

It's on...

With how the league is this year, it should be quite a bit lower points tally needed to get one of the top 2 spots too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2018, 07:42:29 AM
Last season we didn't kick on from our best performance and had a mini slump.

Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

I'm hopeful that's a marker of what we can expect rather than a one off. Given the way things have been progressing I am hopeful we'll actually get better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2018, 07:52:55 AM
Should also add that these 3 clean sheets are very welcome. The goal difference is starting to look better.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
Last season we didn't kick on from our best performance and had a mini slump.

Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

I'm hopeful that's a marker of what we can expect rather than a one off. Given the way things have been progressing I am hopeful we'll actually get better.

The knuckle draggers game will be a good marker.  Hopefully we dispatch them like the scrotes they are, and don't get embroiled in a war of attrition.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on November 11, 2018, 10:07:39 AM
Last season we didn't kick on from our best performance and had a mini slump.

Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

I'm hopeful that's a marker of what we can expect rather than a one off. Given the way things have been progressing I am hopeful we'll actually get better.

the performances have been pretty good though with Smith whether winning or losing
he might get streaky results but the performances are pretty solid

shows we have a more defined style now and that will improve with more time
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on November 11, 2018, 10:14:30 AM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: kipeye on November 11, 2018, 10:17:04 AM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.
I really think he should try Albert at full back. He tackles well and reminds me of Young defensively.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on November 11, 2018, 10:20:35 AM
The mark of a good manager is the players he brings in how he deals with the existing players that  they replace. Ferguson was excellent at this. You cannot allow yourself to have soft-spots for players you like.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Leicester_Villian on November 11, 2018, 12:10:42 PM
I can't see this policy that Dean is using ver catching on:

Playing players in the correct positions
Playing with a high tempo
Playing to score again when winning

We really need midfielders at etc back ....... pass sideways and backwards ..... need 11 behind the ball when we go one up

As one manager recently said "that will shut a few up" which I think was after edging a win against the massive Rotherham .... not sure what a 3-0 win against inform Derby does for comments

The next one is still massive !!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on November 11, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2018, 12:52:40 PM
Just shows what can happen when you put your boots on and roll your sleeves up.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2018, 01:03:00 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.

yes in what was a good Fulham team going up ,,,,, eeek !!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2018, 01:03:09 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.

Agreed. Disappointing he bailed out last minute but imagine we've signed plenty of players in similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

Interesting quote from Smith last night on how quickly the players are adapting to the new training methods which he put down to their quality. Added that it is now a challenge for him and his coaches to respond and to keep improving the sessions.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on November 11, 2018, 06:18:56 PM
He's had a good look at the squad and will now know what he wants. The bloke is a massive breath of fresh air, no guarantee of anything but all the chancers have been fecked off.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
Why move the post-match thread so quickly to the graveyard of the old match threads? We'll still be discussing and revelling in the Derby game at least til we're back at work tomorrow. Go on, have a heart.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2018, 08:31:45 PM
Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

Interesting quote from Smith last night on how quickly the players are adapting to the new training methods which he put down to their quality. Added that it is now a challenge for him and his coaches to respond and to keep improving the sessions.

"Training methods", we've got training methods.

Christ. At last.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Martin Carruthers on November 11, 2018, 08:36:50 PM
Imagine we worked on rolling our sleeves up & getting stuck in previously.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 11, 2018, 09:07:32 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.

Didn't Fulham screw him over by then going and signing another left back straight after signing him?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2018, 09:10:00 PM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.

Didn't Fulham screw him over by then going and signing another left back straight after signing him?

Don't think he was even in their squad today.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on November 11, 2018, 09:53:02 PM
Be great to get a left back and another central midfielder in.  Let Whelan and Jedi go sooner than expected and replace them with a footballing tough nut, if we can find one. 
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on November 11, 2018, 10:09:55 PM
Poxy international break!  I hope they all come back fit and chomping at the bit.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on November 11, 2018, 11:01:08 PM
This man knows what he is doing, and feels so good to a have a villa fan in charge aswell.

Let's hope that the dark days are over!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on November 12, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
I'm so happy with what I'm seeing and hearing from him it's so refreshing long may it continue.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
You have summed it up brilliantly Darren.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 12, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
Excellent result, and fantastic to see proactive thinking that won us the game. Very encouraging.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: stuart445 on November 12, 2018, 06:54:26 PM
Bruce held us back massively, even to his biggest supporters it must be obvious now considering what the same players are capable of under Smith. So as it was only 6 weeks ago that we looked like a bag of shit people aren't going to stop mentioning it.

Bruce was the right man at the time he was appointed to steady the ship, last season he managed to get us soo close to getting the target he was set. He failed to personally I'd have sacked him the day after the final but we could not afford it. However when we could afford to keeping him was the correct decision as I'm certain had they sacked him the new owners would have hired Henry because he was a big name, so keeping Bruce meant the owners could get a grip of football and take on board what the experienced football brains had to say which has resulted in us getting Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Should also add that these 3 clean sheets are very welcome. The goal difference is starting to look better.

Goal aside, I thought we defended very well v QPR too. However, even on the highlights, the 2 chances we conceded v Derby from routine direct clearances were utterly ridiculous. Very similar to the mistake that caused the QPR goal.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on November 12, 2018, 07:44:39 PM
Should also add that these 3 clean sheets are very welcome. The goal difference is starting to look better.

Goal aside, I thought we defended very well v QPR too. However, even on the highlights, the 2 chances we conceded v Derby from routine direct clearances were utterly ridiculous. Very similar to the mistake that caused the QPR goal.

Yes JT needs to fix that as other teams will have spotted it
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: dekko on November 12, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
Should also add that these 3 clean sheets are very welcome. The goal difference is starting to look better.

Goal aside, I thought we defended very well v QPR too. However, even on the highlights, the 2 chances we conceded v Derby from routine direct clearances were utterly ridiculous. Very similar to the mistake that caused the QPR goal.

Yes JT needs to fix that as other teams will have spotted it

One of the nice things about the new regime is that I'm 100% sure they will be working on it in training
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on November 12, 2018, 11:23:53 PM
Last season we didn't kick on from our best performance and had a mini slump.

Smith can be streaky, but we have a significantly better squad than Brentford and have, for this league, bags and bags of quality.

I'm hopeful that's a marker of what we can expect rather than a one off. Given the way things have been progressing I am hopeful we'll actually get better.

the performances have been pretty good though with Smith whether winning or losing
he might get streaky results but the performances are pretty solid

shows we have a more defined style now and that will improve with more time

I have to say I'm still in the novelty stage of the fact that Villa are just fun to watch again. Long may it continue!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2018, 01:50:03 AM
For me the jury is still out. It’s all good and well doing it at Derby. I’ll only be convinced Dean Smith is the right man for the job when we are pinning Barcelona back in their own half with 70% possession in a few seasons time. It’s all fart until them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 13, 2018, 07:03:03 AM
Quote from: not3bad link=topic=59028.msg3511338#msg3511338
I have to say I'm still in the novelty stage of the fact that Villa are just fun to watch again. Long may it continue!
That word fun now let me think when that happened last? Mainly in the days of BFR and Brian Little. Not much since those times.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 13, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
Add a decent left back and I think we will be even stronger. Possibly an upgrade for deeper centre mid too.

That twat Joe Bryan chased the dollar with Fulham. I see they're occupying bottom place in PL Table, shame. They spent huge sums after the play-off final. I can see them in trouble financially when they get relegated.

I don't blame him too much. He was offered Premier League football as well as more money. I think plenty of other players would have made the same decision.

Didn't Fulham screw him over by then going and signing another left back straight after signing him?

I don't see the problem with Bryan. He might never get a chance to play premier league again.

If we were in fulhams position wed want to use our power in the same way

Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: john e on November 13, 2018, 09:04:38 AM
I can never understand why any player doesn’t jump at the chance of playing for the Villa

even if we wanted Messi or Mbappé I’m sure they would jump at the opportunity, I can’t see any reason why not
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: brian green on November 13, 2018, 09:21:21 AM
They should be so lucky.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 13, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
Dean speaks about setting traps for the opposition quite a bit. What does he mean specifically and is it legal?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Nev on November 13, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
Dean speaks about setting traps for the opposition quite a bit. What does he mean specifically and is it legal?

I've noticed that phrase cropping up in commentaries lately as well, in fact since I first heard Dean say it. Along with overloads.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on November 13, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 13, 2018, 04:02:31 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

Yep.  Hold off until the ball goes into a particular area or player then really press hard in numbers.  There was a discussion about it on Talksport yesterday and they were saying by doing that you then have a number of your players in advanced positions when you win the ball back.

Probably best example is if the opposition play with a defensive midfielder.  If you mark him tightly then they probably aren't going to play into there and go a bit longer.  If you sit off a bit though encouraging them to play in there and then press not only the ball quickly, but all the options as well then you can get the ball back in a good position with players in advanced positions.  Barcelona under Guardiola were brilliant at it.   
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 13, 2018, 04:22:29 PM
Teams have been doing it to us for years which is where the idea that we played hoofball came from. I don’t think it was by design just that we were either not good enough or hadn’t worked on ways to counter it.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
Let hutton have the ball...
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2018, 08:46:50 PM
Let hutton have the ball...

Or Nathan Baker <winces>
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on November 13, 2018, 11:12:28 PM
Let hutton have the ball...

He said trap, not crap.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 14, 2018, 11:12:13 AM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 14, 2018, 11:12:59 AM
This management games isn't easy.  Jakanovic has been sacked, Wagner is second bottom and playing very defensive stuff.  Both managers who played fantastic football in the Championship and I'd have been delighted if we appointed either of them.  Meanwhile Cardiff's dinosaur is just above them after spending nothing!  Rafa is having to play eye watering defensive stuff to keep afloat.

I love what Dean Smith has done so far and am really excited about what we can achieve, but Fulham is a big lesson - they started with what I thought was a great team, spent a fortune and it's all gone tits up.  Making progressive football work in the PL is not easy. 

If we go up I'm hoping our wider structure and rich owners will help us avoid that trap, but interested to hear what people think of Fulhams struggles and how we avoid these if we reach the promised land?
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on November 14, 2018, 11:15:51 AM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
You know, I thought the same.
Deano has proved he is tactically astute, time to keep schtumm.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 14, 2018, 11:17:02 AM
This management games isn't easy.  Jakanovic has been sacked, Wagner is second bottom and playing very defensive stuff.  Both managers who played fantastic football in the Championship and I'd have been delighted if we appointed either of them.  Meanwhile Cardiff's dinosaur is just above them after spending nothing!  Rafa is having to play eye watering defensive stuff to keep afloat.

I love what Dean Smith has done so far and am really excited about what we can achieve, but Fulham is a big lesson - they started with what I thought was a great team, spent a fortune and it's all gone tits up.  Making progressive football work in the PL is not easy. 

If we go up I'm hoping our wider structure and rich owners will help us avoid that trap, but interested to hear what people think of Fulhams struggles and how we avoid these if we reach the promised land?

I think we look at the clubs that have gone up, avoided that trap and prospered - especially Bournemouth, also Brighton, Watford - until they went a bit mental and appointed Hughes Southampton. It's possible, and all of those sides did it without spending mental amounts of money.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 14, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
Fulham are a lesson in how not to organise a defence. They're utterly atrocious at the back and shuffle players in and out from one week to the next.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: exigo on November 14, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
Fulham are also a lesson in not changing too many players at the same time. Something that put the fear of God into me under Bruce, but much less so under Smith.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on November 14, 2018, 02:05:41 PM
I would say that Fulham are a lesson in how not to spend money. £30 million on Mitrovic ffs

As for Dean Smith, early days admittedly but he’s looking an even better proposition than I ever expected.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 14, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
You know, I thought the same.
Deano has proved he is tactically astute, time to keep schtumm.
Well Klopp does the same and quite happily talks about his tactics. A few days ago he was totally puzzled about a disallowed goal where Mane was flagged offside. Klopp explained that Mane was deliberately used to run in an offside position to distract defenders  whilst the man with the ball attacked.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 14, 2018, 03:04:49 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
You know, I thought the same.
Deano has proved he is tactically astute, time to keep schtumm.

The opposition will have us watched and be well aware of how we play and will, in most cases, prepare accordingly. I don’t think he’s divulging any trade secrets with his analysis.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: passport1 on November 14, 2018, 04:07:41 PM
I think its all to do with the new Gareth Southgate management template where they are all happy to talk tactics with the world and his wife.

Personally I prefer the Saunders taciturn barely concealed contempt approach.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: XXVilla on November 14, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
You know, I thought the same.
Deano has proved he is tactically astute, time to keep schtumm.

It’s only clear what he’s done though after the game. He probably has fifty options to pick per game and the opposing coaches can’t anticipate all of them.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 14, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.
You know, I thought the same.
Deano has proved he is tactically astute, time to keep schtumm.

It’s only clear what he’s done though after the game. He probably has fifty options to pick per game and the opposing coaches can’t anticipate all of them.

I'd had the same fear as Rudy and Andy. Given that I know less than Steve Bruce about tactics, I hoped somebody would post a reason to allay concerns. Thank you!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
Never fear, should our tactical preperations get rumbled we can always fall back to what the players are well trained in, intense boot pulling and sleeve rolling.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 14, 2018, 09:20:40 PM
Its is one thing to know what an opponent is doing it is another having the wear with all to counter it ,    come on the Villa !!!
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 14, 2018, 09:48:58 PM
Never fear, should our tactical preperations get rumbled we can always fall back to what the players are well trained in, intense boot pulling and sleeve rolling.

I'd forgotten about that. With our boots on we can't fail. Terry needs to be the one checking this . I can't recall seeing a Brentford player wearing boots. Certainly since Hogan came here the staunch insistence on boot-wearing seems to have impeded him.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2018, 11:09:47 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.

Lambert had Gabby do the same thing to Gerrard a few years back. It's not like its never been thought of before.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 16, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
I take “setting traps “ as inviting the ball to be played into a certain area/position by leaving a space or a player unmarked.  When the ball is played there, Villa players close the opponent down thus springing the trap

My only concern right now with Dean is he's openly explained our tactics to the media, thus the future opposition. Maybe he's got such a large bag of tricks he's not concerned but I'd be a lot happier if he kept his genius to himself and left everybody trying to work out how he did it.

After his post match comments of how he used Tammy to press their midfielder leaving the centre half with the ball and few options, even tactical eunuchs like Steve Bruce would be prepared. I can't think of another manager/coach that goes into such detail. Cut it out, Dean.

Lambert had Gabby do the same thing to Gerrard a few years back. It's not like its never been thought of before.

Sure but there's no need to spell it out the the Steve Bruce types of this world.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 16, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
I like it.

Teams know what we're going to do? Big deal. It's not like they didn't before he arrived!

It doesn't follow that they'll be able to stop us. And if it's looking like they might, I have every faith in our man making a change on the hoof that they'll not cope with.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 16, 2018, 08:44:32 PM
There is plenty of film on how Dean Smith tries to have his teams play the game. The issue is stopping it. He speaks in generalities anyway, nothing specific and he adjusts based on the opponent. That’s the beauty of it. They will know we are coming, just not from where or when.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 16, 2018, 08:47:07 PM
This management games isn't easy.  Jakanovic has been sacked, Wagner is second bottom and playing very defensive stuff.  Both managers who played fantastic football in the Championship and I'd have been delighted if we appointed either of them.  Meanwhile Cardiff's dinosaur is just above them after spending nothing!  Rafa is having to play eye watering defensive stuff to keep afloat.

I love what Dean Smith has done so far and am really excited about what we can achieve, but Fulham is a big lesson - they started with what I thought was a great team, spent a fortune and it's all gone tits up.  Making progressive football work in the PL is not easy. 

If we go up I'm hoping our wider structure and rich owners will help us avoid that trap, but interested to hear what people think of Fulhams struggles and how we avoid these if we reach the promised land?
Agree with most of this Chris however on Fulham I think they winged it last season and got away with it. Around Christmas they were nowhere and Coach decided to play expansive football to get some momentum and it paid off initially and continued to win them games as other teams developed a fear including us, twice. We got beat 2-0 at their place  and again in the play off final because Bruce didn't attack them. PL teams have no such fear against them and they have been found out.

If we go up with the nucleus of this current tem we will need  to replace at least 3 of the back 5, buy a quality combative midfielder, a winger/wide attacker, either keep Grealish or replace him with better and biggest one....get a proven top flight goal scorer. I am assuming that if Abraham has a very good season Chelsea will keep him next season.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on November 16, 2018, 09:25:14 PM
I could see us signing Abraham permanently, especially if we went up. He might be good enough for the Premier League but I don't think he is at the level Chelsea look for
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2018, 10:26:19 PM
There is plenty of film on how Dean Smith tries to have his teams play the game. The issue is stopping it. He speaks in generalities anyway, nothing specific and he adjusts based on the opponent. That’s the beauty of it. They will know we are coming, just not from where or when.

Exactly.  They might well know that Grealish is going to run at them at every opportunity.  Stopping him doing it is another matter altogether.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: jwarry on November 22, 2018, 12:49:26 PM
Just listened to his latest interview on AVFC/YouTube and he said with so many players away he took the opportunity to fly up to Scotland to listen to a motivational speech on the All Blacks by James Kerr the author of ‘Legacy’.  Beats a day in the golf course and nice pie in my book
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: exigo on November 22, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
This management games isn't easy.  Jakanovic has been sacked, Wagner is second bottom and playing very defensive stuff.  Both managers who played fantastic football in the Championship and I'd have been delighted if we appointed either of them.  Meanwhile Cardiff's dinosaur is just above them after spending nothing!  Rafa is having to play eye watering defensive stuff to keep afloat.

I love what Dean Smith has done so far and am really excited about what we can achieve, but Fulham is a big lesson - they started with what I thought was a great team, spent a fortune and it's all gone tits up.  Making progressive football work in the PL is not easy. 

If we go up I'm hoping our wider structure and rich owners will help us avoid that trap, but interested to hear what people think of Fulhams struggles and how we avoid these if we reach the promised land?
Agree with most of this Chris however on Fulham I think they winged it last season and got away with it. Around Christmas they were nowhere and Coach decided to play expansive football to get some momentum and it paid off initially and continued to win them games as other teams developed a fear including us, twice. We got beat 2-0 at their place  and again in the play off final because Bruce didn't attack them. PL teams have no such fear against them and they have been found out.

If we go up with the nucleus of this current tem we will need  to replace at least 3 of the back 5, buy a quality combative midfielder, a winger/wide attacker, either keep Grealish or replace him with better and biggest one....get a proven top flight goal scorer. I am assuming that if Abraham has a very good season Chelsea will keep him next season.

Fulham's big problem has been too many changes to a settled team. And that's upset the balance and understanding between players. Smith would never be that naive.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on November 22, 2018, 01:08:22 PM
Just listened to his latest interview on AVFC/YouTube and he said with so many players away he took the opportunity to fly up to Scotland to listen to a motivational speech on the All Blacks by James Kerr the author of ‘Legacy’.  Beats a day in the golf course and nice pie in my book

He's a very impressive individual.

All the money we've splashed on mercenaries, be it board or players - what did Smith cost, 300K?
I'm a very happy Villa fan.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 22, 2018, 01:10:26 PM
Just listened to his latest interview on AVFC/YouTube and he said with so many players away he took the opportunity to fly up to Scotland to listen to a motivational speech on the All Blacks by James Kerr the author of ‘Legacy’.  Beats a day in the golf course and nice pie in my book

Bruce would have spent it at home, with Deliveroo on speed dial.
Title: Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
Post by: glinch on November 22, 2018, 05:23:46 PM