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Title: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
You're not the one for us fatty.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Please Lord Jeebus. Let this be the end
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: oldtimernow on September 22, 2018, 04:59:22 PM
Shouts of resign.......T May is more likely to go before Bruce does
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Smoke on September 22, 2018, 04:59:38 PM
See ya Brucey.

Pathetic pile of disorganised wank.

Great goal from McGinn but everything else was poor.

100 Games to get to that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
Not much to say really. Still insists on playing Jedinak at centre half - presumably to win some battle of wills with the fanbase? Mind when he does go eventually i'm nominating Jed as POTY for indirectly getting rid of the fucker - its the least he deserves.  Still incapable of changing things when things are going wrong. Only a complete fucktard would have watched that 1st half and not altered things, but no, Nan's hair waits till they score. Still we're only 3 points of a play-off place....................*sobs"
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2018, 05:00:07 PM
Second best from start to finish.

There is no way we are going up with Bruce in charge. Bin him now and we can save the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 22, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
It has to be the end, it’s the same fucking we see all the time. No plan, defensive shambles, less than the sum of our parts. It all comes back to managerial failure. We need a change.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 22, 2018, 05:00:56 PM
You're the one I really, really loathe. Promise you'll go.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2018, 05:01:03 PM
Imagine if Gary Monk, or any monk for that matter, had our squad and what they could do with it.
Imagine if we had played anyone half-decent in our first nine games apart from Brentford.
Time to stop imagining a life without Bruce and make it happen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: saint13 on September 22, 2018, 05:01:43 PM
It's got to be the end. He is awful. Even all of his mates in the media must be scratching their collective heads!
So much for all those in the summer who said we needed stability...well we have got it! We are going nowhere.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on September 22, 2018, 05:02:36 PM
So all that crowing and bitching after an unconvincing win over mighty Rotherham, one half decent performance from Jedinak at CB and “only lost 4 home games”  has come back to bite him on the arse.    Who could have guessed?  He’s probably too thick to realise what an utter tit he’s made of himself.

Now Brucey, shut the fuck up and fuck the fuck off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on September 22, 2018, 05:02:57 PM
Just leave. Too embarrassing now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: bilsim on September 22, 2018, 05:02:59 PM
No hope, all despair
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Uknowthescore on September 22, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
I give up fed up of being fed up. Not going again until he’s gone even my 7 year olds bored of em
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on September 22, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
Just about in the top half. Nothing to do with you Bruce, thank the people that named the Club.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 22, 2018, 05:03:55 PM
It's time for potato head to pack up his pies and fuck off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 22, 2018, 05:04:11 PM
Never mind promotion, we'll be lucky to avoid a relegation scrap playing like that. No tactics, no defence, no clue. Really really eye-wateringly fucking awful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
Looking forward to his post match comments. After throwing the fans under the bus after Rotherham, I wonder if it will be the player's turn?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: dicedlam on September 22, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
Off with his Head!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 22, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Looking forward to his post match comments. After throwing the fans under the bus after Rotherham, I wonder if it will be the player's turn?

Well it certainly wont be his fault. He has been promoted 4 times and he knows what hes doing!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 22, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
Just so depressingly predictable
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2018, 05:11:06 PM
That's the championship
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaLoyal on September 22, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
Wednesday better from start to finish.

Bannon ran the show in midfield. Sheff Wed players all knew exactly what they were doing and barking orders to each other you could hear them from the stands.

Villa players looked totally confused and lost for large parts of the game.

A deserved loss. Just like Sheff W last season.

They done a proper job on us.

A point for us would have been an injustice.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 22, 2018, 05:12:25 PM
Totally unacceptable performance from the team. McGinn's goal aside did we muster a shot on target?
Did any of them earn their corn today? I can't name 1

Completely indefensible "performance" from the manager all the way back to his "Forestieri" comment in the press conference followed by Jedinak at CB again followed by accpeting the first half by not making any subs followed by waiting until we're behind to make a change.
Fuck off back to Geordieland Bruce and don't darken our doorstep again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaLoyal on September 22, 2018, 05:18:26 PM
Totally unacceptable performance from the team. McGinn's goal aside did we muster a shot on target?
Did any of them earn their corn today? I can't name 1

Completely indefensible "performance" from the manager all the way back to his "Forestieri" comment in the press conference followed by Jedinak at CB again followed by accpeting the first half by not making any subs followed by waiting until we're behind to make a change.
Fuck off back to Geordieland Bruce and don't darken our doorstep again.

Grealish played well.

That was about it. Just give it Jack and hope  he comes up with some magic...

Our play was painfully slow at times and players looked like they didn’t have a plan for the game.

Bruce vindicating his dinosaur 🦖 label today
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on September 22, 2018, 05:20:29 PM
Ta ra a bit
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: dl9 on September 22, 2018, 05:21:05 PM
Enough now

This cannot carry on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 22, 2018, 05:21:52 PM
On their forums pre-match, Wednesday fans were expecting a good beating but we allow them to play like bloody Wolves. Same as Sheff Utd, they were all claiming that was the best they've ever played. Neither team are any good but manage to turn it on against us. Can't think why.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: charleeco7 on September 22, 2018, 05:25:05 PM
Slow on the ball, don’t move it quick enough and don’t close down the opposition. Only  mcginn turned up. He has to go as the players look lost
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 05:25:22 PM
Sky lowlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505576/aston-villa-1-2-sheffield-wednesday)

McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)

McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on September 22, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Sky lowlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505576/aston-villa-1-2-sheffield-wednesday)

McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)
in Aston Villas 1-1 draw?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 22, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
Just back to the car.  Another terrible performance in a very long list of crap performances.  Villa fans turning on each other in the upper Holte.  All very sad.  The heat will get turned on Steve Bruce next week at Bristol City should we get beat.  It won't be pretty!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ivo Stas on September 22, 2018, 05:30:40 PM
Assuming that the new owners decide that the time has come to get their own man in, who would that man be..?

Financial Fair Play restrictions might deter us from compensating another club for their manager, so who is currently available..?

Take a look at this list:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)

Anyone with an encyclopedic knowledge of foreign managers?

Assuming that Zidane and Conte wouldn't be interested, the recognizable names on the list (Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, etc) don't excite me.

Wenger is a bit of an odd fish, perhaps the new owners could tempt him into doing a Benitez in the Championship..?


Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ivo Stas on September 22, 2018, 05:34:01 PM
The heat will get turned on Steve Bruce next week at Bristol City should we get beat.  It won't be pretty!

Away at Bristol City with Jedinak at centre-back... it definitely won't be pretty..!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on September 22, 2018, 05:34:19 PM
I won't beat about the Bush...Please fuck off Bruce.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
Assuming that the new owners decide that the time has come to get their own man in, who would that man be..?

Financial Fair Play restrictions might deter us from compensating another club for their manager, so who is currently available..?

Take a look at this list:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)

Anyone with an encyclopedic knowledge of foreign managers?

Assuming that Zidane and Conte wouldn't be interested, the recognizable names on the list (Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, etc) don't excite me.

Wenger is a bit of an odd fish, perhaps the new owners could tempt him into doing a Benitez in the Championship..?




These guys are available. Better than Bruce


(https://thumb.ibb.co/kkQDe9/E4_D01665_7_BE0_4555_8_EBB_620_CEE0_B3_C3_A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kkQDe9)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 22, 2018, 05:35:21 PM
Bruce should go  now - 100 games and virtually no further forward than when he took over. We need someone who will make the squad more than the sum of it's parts because it is currently operating at far less than that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on September 22, 2018, 05:37:13 PM
thatwas beyond egregious and worse than anything I saw under DM. Total shite - and Gayle was the striker we should have brought in on loan, quality at this level.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 22, 2018, 05:45:21 PM
Slightly bizzarely we are still only 5 points behind Leeds at the top. A win today could have had a big impact but equally a change in manager can still make a big difference.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on September 22, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
thatwas beyond egregious and worse than anything I saw under DM. Total shite - and Gayle was the striker we should have brought in on loan, quality at this level.
I like to think I was well educated, but egregious!, I had to look it up. Bravo Sir, first time on here I would imagine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on September 22, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
thatwas beyond egregious and worse than anything I saw under DM. Total shite - and Gayle was the striker we should have brought in on loan, quality at this level.

He wouldn’t be if he played for us
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 22, 2018, 05:46:50 PM
I'd love to know what it is that Bruce actually contributes.

He apparently spends very little time at the training ground. By his own admission, he "doesn't really do tactics".

Which leaves motivating and picking the team. And most of us could name a line-up.

He's hardly earning his millions, is he?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 22, 2018, 05:47:49 PM
Slightly bizzarely we are still only 5 points behind Leeds at the top. A win today could have had a big impact but equally a change in manager can still make a big difference.

Shows what an average league it is this year, with no outstanding team. That's why it's important to get this joker out before it's too late.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7017407-steve-bruce-on-the-defeat-to-sheffield-wednesday)

OS interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/790327181358884
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 22, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7017407-steve-bruce-on-the-defeat-to-sheffield-wednesday)

*absolves himself of any blame*
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 22, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Terrible defensively today. Gave the ball away cheaply. One decent 15 minute spell after we scored and that was it. Need to change the Manager now to save the season. Call Dean Smith tonight...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on September 22, 2018, 05:56:07 PM
 how do we manage to make almost everyone look like Barcelona Irrespective of the side we put out? It struck me  again today that the opposition passed the ball so much better than we did.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on September 22, 2018, 05:56:38 PM
Why play Grealish on the wing? We only improved for about 10 mins when Kodjia went wide and Jack came inside where he should be. Then at 1-2 Kodjia off and Grealish wide again?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 22, 2018, 05:57:57 PM
We are currently 12th in the table. Based on our current points per game and last season's league table if we carry on at our current rate 12th is also where we can expect to finish at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 22, 2018, 05:58:13 PM
So whose fault was this one?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: maigrait on September 22, 2018, 06:01:09 PM
We are never going to escape this league with that clown in charge. We have a decent squad and youth players - how are we not destroying everyone. Brucie.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on September 22, 2018, 06:01:22 PM
Off with his potato head
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on September 22, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
It wouldn't be so bad if we'd played any really decent teams, and we've played 4 of the bottom 6
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2018, 06:10:38 PM
That was absolutely wank.

If we'd have lost 5-1 it wouldn't have been unfair. This potato is thoroughly baked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on September 22, 2018, 06:12:09 PM
That was absolutely wank.

If we'd have lost 5-1 it wouldn't have been unfair. This potato is thoroughly baked.
I would say it's gone to seed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2018, 06:15:56 PM
Bruce post-match audio boom on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7017407-steve-bruce-on-the-defeat-to-sheffield-wednesday)

*absolves himself of any blame*

Very soft cliche ridden interview.

Steve, do you accept that your plan to convert a 34 year old Jedinak to being first choice centre back been an abysmal failure?

Why is Kodjia' s abysmal lack of workrate tolerated?

Do you accept some responsibility for Adamoah's lack of form given you tried to flog him only a few weeks ago?

Why are we continually wide open defending counter attacks from other sides?

There isn't really a plan is there Steve to develop a coherent team?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 22, 2018, 06:17:22 PM
Not read any of the thread so apologies if repeating everyone else but that was truly appalling to watch - there didn’t seem to be any plan to the way we play, yet again relying on moments of inspiration only - strangely once the initial euphoria of such a great goal passed I found myself more annoyed that again it was only a bit of brilliance not a team thing they got us back in the game.

Felt once they took the lead the players took it upon themselves to play a bit off the cuff.  It just doesn’t feel that there is any coaching going on.

I’ve always thought that good centre half partnerships have a blocker and a ball player ie in Bruce’s one case Pallister was the footballer - in Chester & Jedinak there is zero footballing ability so time and again the ball was stuck at the back and ended up just being humped forward.

Utterly clueless football and the players today showed they care less if Bruce & his merrymen are binned - please let this be the case or personally I won’t be making the effort for Preston
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 22, 2018, 06:19:10 PM
he said he cant do anything right in some peoples eyes

fuck off now - the fans have been good to you and supported you through the pile of shite you kept producing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Simon Page on September 22, 2018, 06:24:58 PM

Steve, do you accept that your plan to convert a 34 year old Jedinak to being first choice centre back been an abysmal failure?


He absolutely doesn't. Bruce clearly thinks 11 Jedinaks would be his ideal team which, apart from anything else, is unfair on Jedinak. I really want him to turn it round for no other reason than he's in the job at the minute, but we've had two years of watching the same problems play out. For all the internet and social media abuse, the reaction Bruce should be concerned about is those who watch his teams week-in, week-out see the same things happening time and again. Ignore the people for whom "I'll never be the right fit" and listen to those who've seen as much of these players in matches as you have. They recognise Groundhog Day even if they don't have the coaching badges to sort it out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 22, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on September 22, 2018, 06:28:54 PM
Just watched John McGinn score one of the greatest goals I've seen at Villa Park, but sadly will be mostly forgotten, following what by all accounts was another totally unacceptable performance. Would be very surprised if Bruce is still with us by the end of October.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on September 22, 2018, 06:31:06 PM
Other than a worldie from McGinn that was completely pants. Having insulted the fans' intelligence on Tuesday by saying what a great CH Jedinak is we saw today exactly how good he really is in that position. Those comments had to be followed up with a win but instead it was yet another same old same old abject Bruce performance. And of course in his post match comments it was the players' fault. Chants of 'we want Bruce out' in the Upper Holte at the end. Time to go long overdue.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 22, 2018, 06:32:01 PM
Today I could put up with no more and let rip at the Bruce apologist/snowflake behind me in the lower Holte.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on September 22, 2018, 06:32:53 PM
Why is it the opposition can put crosses in and it lands on the heads of the right player, every single cross we make its either awful and scuffed straight to the head of a defender or too high for a Villa shirt.

Was infuriating today.

The change of system sure aint done much for Jack, and Bolaise cudnt have looked anymore disinterested when he first came on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on September 22, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
The interviews get more predictable every week in their levels delusion and blame deflection.  I think he meant he can't do right for anyone with eyes. 

It's mind boggling that in describing what was wrong today he's describing the way we've been playing since he joined - moving the ball too slowly etc. - and he's done nothing to rectify it.  It's no good describing the problem for two years you moron.  You need to find answers, that's what you are paid for. 

The worst thing is it looks like this league is anyone's for the taking this season and we have no chance of grasping that opportunity with fistface in charge.

I did half expect him to say "at least we kept Forestieri quiet"
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 22, 2018, 06:48:14 PM
Today I could put up with no more and let rip at the Bruce apologist/snowflake behind me in the lower Holte.

No excuse for that even if it was shit. We're all on the same side FFS.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 22, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
Owners, grow some, bin him quickly. Save us from any more shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on September 22, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
I am absolutely sick and tired ofwatching  the same ‘tactics’ week in, week out.
Pass it around a bit at the back, whack it forward and hope it sticks.
It’s fucking medieval football.

He was an arrogant prick after the Rotherham game.
Pride comes before a fall.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 22, 2018, 06:54:02 PM
Today I could put up with no more and let rip at the Bruce apologist/snowflake behind me in the lower Holte.

No excuse for that even if it was shit. We're all on the same side FFS.
Every excuse.When the same shit is spouted with no semblance of what is happening on the pitch I reserve the right to disagree with rubbish I am forced to listen to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 22, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
He needs to go before it's too late and we're too far behind.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2018, 06:59:32 PM
Player ratings

Nyland 7, made some solid saves in second half.
Elmo 6, had a lot of trouble with Reach in second half but got little protection from AA
Chester 5 , poor second half but his lack of form is just a symptom of our shambles of a setup
Jedinak 3, poor in first half where he constantly fouled. All at sea in second half where Fletcher consustently made a fool of him.
Hutton 6, best player in first half and generally fairly solid
Adamoah 3,  their left back must have nutmegged him three times in first half. Didn't put in much of a shift either, awful performance
Hourihane 7, our best player I thought. Kept the ball moving well, had one cleared off the line, expected him to score one after that but dragged it wide. Defensively very suspect though
McGinn 6, brilliant goal and a delicious footballer on the ball. But he dives in far too much defensively with lads skipping past him. We simply cannot get away with a midfield two of Hourihane and McGinn as the last 2 games have proved.
Grealish 6, not much came off for him but tried hard in a few positions.
Abraham 4 , brutal, had a shocking first half and didn't improve much in second. Movement was poor as was hold up play
Kodjia 4, dire again. Statue in first half, had a decent 10 min spell on left in second before diving and walking around the place. Can't get away from players any more and we can't afford to carry a player like him in the team.

Bolasie and El Ghazi made no real impact. The morale of the players looked really poor late on. We were only a goal behind but hardly created a chance.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 22, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
Player ratings

Nyland 7, made some solid saves in second half.
Elmo 6, had a lot of trouble with Reach in second half but got little protection from AA
Chester 5 , poor second half but his lack of form is just a symptom of our shambles of a setup
Jedinak 3, poor in first half where he constantly fouled. All at sea in second half where Fletcher consustently made a fool of him.
Hutton 6, best player in first half and generally fairly solid
Adamoah 3,  their left back must have nutmegged him three times in first half. Didn't put in much of a shift either, awful performance
Hourihane 7, our best player I thought. Kept the ball moving well, had one cleared off the line, expected him to score one after that but dragged it wide. Defensively very suspect though
McGinn 6, brilliant goal and a delicious footballer on the ball. But he dives in far too much defensively with lads skipping past him. We simply cannot get away with a midfield two of Hourihane and McGinn as the last 2 games have proved.
Grealish 6, not much came off for him but tried hard in a few positions.
Abraham 4 , brutal, had a shocking first half and didn't improve much in second. Movement was poor as was hold up play
Kodjia 4, dire again. Statue in first half, had a decent 10 min spell on left in second before diving and walking around the place. Can't get away from players any more and we can't afford to carry a player like him in the team.

Bolasie and El Ghazi made no real impact. The morale of the players looked really poor late on. We were only a goal behind but hardly created a chance.
Hutton ? Pfft
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: simboy on September 22, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
Utterly clueless. At one stage in the first half we were playing 4-5-1 ... at home ... against Sheffield Wednesday with Barry Bannon in centre midfield. Why?

Grealish was poor in the first half, looked better in the second when playing his natural role. McGinn and Connor looked decent but Chester and Jedi bullied by a pretty poor front line.

Time for a change of manager, there’s no doubt about that in my opinion.



Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: SashasGrandad on September 22, 2018, 07:05:46 PM
Just before and after the equaliser (our best spell) - Grealish and Kodja had switched so Grealish was competing with Bannon in the middle and stopping his control of that area of the field.

Then for some reason they switched back. Grealish then gives the ball away in the wide left position and they score the winner.

Whoever told them to switch back needs shooting - if it was Bruce then he should clear his desk and go before the weekend is over.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 22, 2018, 07:06:37 PM
There is no excuse for losing at home to a team playing Stephen 'bloody' Fletcher as a lone striker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on September 22, 2018, 07:11:58 PM
Did 4-4-2 get abandoned ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 22, 2018, 07:13:44 PM
There is no excuse for losing a home to a team playing Stephen 'bloody' Fletcher as a lone striker.

That is pretty damning
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on September 22, 2018, 07:16:45 PM
Just got back.

I rate that "effort" from Kodjia right up there with Jordan Ayew at Bristol City a couple of seasons ago.

On the one hand, you have John McGinn, running his brass nuts off. On the other, you have Kodjia, who can barely be bothered to break into a trot for the entire time he was on the pitch. That second half spell where he was out wide on the left must rank up there with some of the most hopeless, sad and pathetic sights I've ever seen.

The lack of movement up front didn't stop with him, as Abraham flounced about, flapping his arms like a sulking 14 year old.

It was just awful, with a quite world class goal in between, and then back to awful again.

Bye, bye Bruce. I can't take anymore of this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
Amongst many many inadequate players on the pitch today I watched the most inept performance by a forward in a Villa shirt. Tammy Abraham if you can't be bothered just go back to Chelsea. You really were shambolic today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Just watched John McGinn score one of the greatest goals I've seen at Villa Park, but sadly will be mostly forgotten, following what by all accounts was another totally unacceptable performance. Would be very surprised if Bruce is still with us by the end of October.
Yes a total waste hat goal. :'(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2018, 07:27:14 PM
Did 4-4-2 get abandoned ?
I can never workout formation he plays. Kodjia did move out to the left after 20 mins but we had a formation that can be best described similar to  slime toddlers are so fond of these days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2018, 07:29:38 PM
Utterly clueless. At one stage in the first half we were playing 4-5-1 ... at home ... against Sheffield Wednesday with Barry Bannon in centre midfield. Why?

Grealish was poor in the first half, looked better in the second when playing his natural role. McGinn and Connor looked decent but Chester and Jedi bullied by a pretty poor front line.

Time for a change of manager, there’s no doubt about that in my opinion.

We were beyond awful playing 442.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 22, 2018, 07:42:04 PM
I was asked at work on Friday what I thought the result would be by a Dingles fan. I said a draw. She just laughed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 22, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
It's all been said above. Key points:
- absolutely no care for the ball - given away time and time again; Chester was particularly at fault today.
- no movement for passes to be aimed at.
- sooo slow to release the ball.
- playing a high line and then giving the ball away is madness.
- almost no effort.

Hutton is crap at LB: every time he had the ball he was cutting back or passing back.
Grealish has been poor all season, and today was no different.
The only player who I thought played well as Hourihane.

I wonder whether the players have given up on the manager: they're almost playing like they want him to go.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 22, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
What a fucking goal! I had a fantastic side-on view of it from my seat. All seemed in slow motion; watching it drop, seeing him shape, hitting the bar, and that heart-stopping moment waiting to see which side of the line it bounces. Brilliant! Undoubtedly one of the best strikes I've ever witnessed in the flesh. Keep it up, son, keep it up.

It's a good job they were shit up front. It took them all of, what, twenty seconds to size up the left side of our defence?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on September 22, 2018, 07:46:43 PM
What a fucking goal! I had a fantastic side-on view of it from my seat. All seemed in slow motion; watching it drop, seeing him shape, hitting the bar, and that heart-stopping moment waiting to see which side of the line it bounces. Brilliant! Undoubtedly one of the best strikes I've ever witnessed in the flesh. Keep it up, son, keep it up.

It's a good job they were shit up front. It took them all of, what, twenty seconds to size up the left side of our defence?
We lost!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 22, 2018, 07:50:40 PM
And had they not been shit, that could have been a darn sight more embarrassing than it eventually transpired.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: simboy on September 22, 2018, 07:55:49 PM
Utterly clueless. At one stage in the first half we were playing 4-5-1 ... at home ... against Sheffield Wednesday with Barry Bannon in centre midfield. Why?

Grealish was poor in the first half, looked better in the second when playing his natural role. McGinn and Connor looked decent but Chester and Jedi bullied by a pretty poor front line.

Time for a change of manager, there’s no doubt about that in my opinion.

We were beyond awful playing 442.



We were.

 But to isolate Abraham with the potential we have on the pitch was scandalous. if it isn’t clear to everyone that Bruce needs paying off then I don’t know when it ever will be.

I may not be very intelligent Stevie but I know your time is up

The only good thing about today is that goal of the season is sorted.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 22, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
That was utter horse shit. Far too many wrongs to highlight, but we simply cannot carry on playing a right footer at left back.  It’s painful to watch.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 22, 2018, 08:07:50 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: charleeco7 on September 22, 2018, 08:08:41 PM
I can see why the two forwards get so frustrated though. They both have pace and skill so what do we do? Slow the ball down, pass it wide and eventually swing it into the box. A number of times TA had opened up space between himself and the defender so a ball could be slid through to him but we went backwards or wide.
For me we just don’t play to the strengths of the players we have and that is down to the manager and his staff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 22, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players.
El Ghazi?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 22, 2018, 08:13:42 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players.
El Ghazi?
People born in The Netherlands tend to be called Dutch.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 22, 2018, 08:21:25 PM
Or Johann.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 22, 2018, 08:22:17 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players.
El Ghazi?
People born in The Netherlands tend to be called Dutch.
Good point
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 22, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Or Johann.
:)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on September 22, 2018, 08:27:07 PM
As soon as I saw Wednesday were set up with 3 at the back I knew we'd struggle. Bruce took 42 mins to move Grealish off the wing, when we equalised he was then moved out wide again.

Neither players nor fans have any confidence in Bruce, the owners are clearing the decks, its now a question of when not if.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: David_Nab on September 22, 2018, 08:52:19 PM
Like how when we win Bruce talks about how he knows what he is doing as a manager , then we lose and its the players fault ..he really is a grade A twat
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on September 22, 2018, 09:02:10 PM
For the second time at Villa Park in a year Wednesday made everyone in C&B look like a grade A twat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 22, 2018, 09:15:51 PM
35k people turned up to watch that today. Many won’t return until the manager has left.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 22, 2018, 09:26:11 PM
Positives-McGinns worldie!
Negatives-Bruce as manager!
Today's performance was truly awful. 2 years on and Bruce doesn't have a clue how to set his team up. Last season during games Albert and snoddy needed to change wings, but Bruce would have none of it. Today in a truly awful 1st half grealish played 3 different positions, Albert 2 and Kodjia 2 or 3 (I lost count)
Our 1st shot on target was McGinns wonder strike. Again nothing from the training ground, Bruce instead relying on an individual's moment of brilliance. We picked up for 5-10 minutes after our goal, but soon returned to the dirge of the 1st half. Jedi was hopeless at cb particularly 1st half, and TA's contribution was minimal.
We played like we were the away team! At corners we brought everybody back, sheff wed would leave 1 up, this is an indicator in itself of how defensive Bruce is. Bringing off our leading goalscorer this season, when 2-1 down again does Bruce no favours. I don't dislike Bruce because of his association with scum. I dislike him because he constantly f-cks up the team I support.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on September 22, 2018, 09:29:18 PM
If you give Barry Bannan the freedom of Villa Park, what do you expect. No-one within 10 yards of him all afternoon. The team is built around him and yet no-one got anywhere near him. It was like a royal visit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: XXVilla on September 22, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
We could have a great team of players who weren’t good enough for Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2018, 10:03:49 PM
With respect  whilst he is one of our own young Barry is still shit. It's just that in the land of darkness he provided a flicker of light. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2018, 10:07:21 PM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players.
El Ghazi?
People born in The Netherlands tend to be called Dutch.
Nice one BC54 VFC. :) Let's hope no one will turn up with the Bernard Manning joke.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: walsall villain on September 22, 2018, 10:23:05 PM
Deja vu all over again. Beaten by a team who were well organised, let us have the ball in our own half, pressed everywhere else and broke quickly. We seem to rely on individual moments of excellence. One of the best Villa goals from outside the box I’ve seen but to no avail. The most important cog in the wheel at a club is the manager and ours is not up to it. So frustrating.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on September 22, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
Defence a shambles all day thought we got off light they could have got five. The big difference today was they had a plan and the players played as a team. We have the best players in the league I am convinced of that what we don't have is a competent manager, he may have fitted in twenty years ago but football has moved on and Bruce is stuck in a time warp.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 22, 2018, 10:35:35 PM
If you give Barry Bannan the freedom of Villa Park, what do you expect. No-one within 10 yards of him all afternoon. The team is built around him and yet no-one got anywhere near him. It was like a royal visit.

Yep. Same with Woods when he was at Brentford. No attention to detail whatsoever.

He does what he does, and if he we don't fuck him off, he will do for us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: richl on September 22, 2018, 10:36:15 PM
35k people turned up to watch that today. Many won’t return until the manager has left.

I'm not!!. A hundred quid day with a train and a ticket and incidentals. What a waste
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 22, 2018, 10:51:43 PM
We just don't seem to have a plan. No plan of how we're going to play, nor one for thwarting the opposition. Just aimless, gormless hoofing. Compared to that it's no wonder all our opponents tend to look pretty decent. They just have to stick to their plan and they'll have some joy. We look so easy to play against.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: vilan461 on September 22, 2018, 11:11:14 PM
Awful display aimless planless Barry Bannan ran the show again showed us what we are missing McGinns wonder goal deserved so much more.and i sure disagree with SB Jedinack is not a CB!!even more so when up sgainst a half decent centre forward -nicely placed goal from Fletcher and how many free kicks did Jedi concede again ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on September 22, 2018, 11:11:51 PM
And another thing.
Why the fuck has McGinn been taken off free kick and corner duty?
His deliveries in the first couple of games were outstanding, but the twat of a manager has decided the Hourihane should take every single dead ball kick?
I think he is deliberately trying to sabotage the team.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2018, 11:56:17 PM
And another thing.
Why the fuck has McGinn been taken off free kick and corner duty?
His deliveries in the first couple of games were outstanding, but the twat of a manager has decided the Hourihane should take every single dead ball kick?
I think he is deliberately trying to sabotage the team.


Was thinking exactly the same Andy. McGinn’s crosses and set pieces were on par with Stan back in the day. And now he’s not taking them. Reason 5727383893 to get rid of Bruce.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on September 23, 2018, 12:02:42 AM
Sabotage is a strong word but you might be right. It’s like he’s actually angling for a the sack, maybe he’s had enough but just won’t leave without his pay out. When I was about 18 I wanted  to break up with a girl but didn’t have the balls so just behaved badly so she dumped me, it’s the same here I’m beginning to think.

I know it sounds absurd but no more absurd than the CB shambles and some of his other decisions and comments.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 23, 2018, 01:33:00 AM
Load of Blues Bruce, pack your bags you fat ******.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 23, 2018, 02:05:04 AM
Load of Blues Bruce, pack your bags you fat c***.

The Blues reference and depiction our manager's girth detracts from your argument, although I agree agree that he should be fucked off forthwith, as I posted towards  the end of his first season in charge.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 02:10:00 AM
The blues reference is the word filter kicking in. "dogsh1t" spelt correctly automatically becomes "Blues".
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 07:36:51 AM
Slept on it and it remains as horrible as it was in real time.  The single fundamental defect in our slide to where we now are is that we play too deep, we move the ball too slowly and we make unforced errors.

Yesterday was typical.  We try to mimic top flight teams by retaining possession with backwards and sideways passing.  For that to work you need players with the pace and technique to make the killer pass or the killer run into the heart of the opposition.  Our players are not good enough for that so we shuffle the ball about until it is hoofed forward or we lose possession.
We would be infinitely more successful if we played Route 1 with strength and pace.  Leicester won the Premiership doing it.

As somebody said, we are so easy to play against.  Let us shuffle the ball about until we either lump it aimlessly (Yes Hutton I am looking at you) or misplace a five yard pass (and you Jedinak).  It is what we have become.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2018, 07:43:01 AM
I can understand getting tactics wrong during a game but bruce’s Inability to rectify anything during the game is unforgivable. We looked a defeated army out there today.  As for the so called premiership players - bolasie will not give anything unless it is easy and in his favour. The Egyptian winger is he good enough?  Abraham does he really want to play for us and how we are missing terry at the back
Assume you weren't at the game? Our 'Egyptian winger' played right back in a back four today and was one of our better players.
El Ghazi?
People born in The Netherlands tend to be called Dutch.
Good point

People with dual Dutch and Moroccan nationality aren’t often described as Egyptian either!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2018, 07:47:52 AM
Slept on it and it remains as horrible as it was in real time.  The single fundamental defect in our slide to where we now are is that we play too deep, we move the ball too slowly and we make unforced errors.

Yesterday was typical.  We try to mimic top flight teams by retaining possession with backwards and sideways passing.  For that to work you need players with the pace and technique to make the killer pass or the killer run into the heart of the opposition.  Our players are not good enough for that so we shuffle the ball about until it is hoofed forward or we lose possession.
We would be infinitely more successful if we played Route 1 with strength and pace.  Leicester won the Premiership doing it.

As somebody said, we are so easy to play against.  Let us shuffle the ball about until we either lump it aimlessly (Yes Hutton I am looking at you) or misplace a five yard pass (and you Jedinak).  It is what we have become.

The big, big problem is the defence. In McGinn, Grealish and Hourihane we have a midfield bursting with talent, but in front of a Frankenstein’s Monster of a defence, it hugely affects their play. They all have to drop deep to collect the ball, which means they’re often dispossessed not far from our area. Jedinak was utterly pathetic yesterday, and Chester is suffering for it too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2018, 07:55:03 AM
I thought Sheffield deserved more than their two goals yesterday. We didn't deserve much at all. I thought Bolaise should have come on just after we got the equaliser whilst the place was rocking after Mcginn's goal. That's the first time i've heard Bruce Out chants at home and to be honest, he can't complain too much.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 23, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Its atrocious. Same errors week in, week out.

McGinn played okay and scored a wonderful goal but what else was there? Aimless passing, shoddy defending, pathetic, toothless attack.

People (Bruce and the media) keep saying ‘who is better?’ but actually I can’t think of many managers who would serve up such a smorgasbord of shit every match.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on September 23, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
If you give Barry Bannan the freedom of Villa Park, what do you expect. No-one within 10 yards of him all afternoon. The team is built around him and yet no-one got anywhere near him. It was like a royal visit.

Yep. Same with Woods when he was at Brentford. No attention to detail whatsoever.

He does what he does, and if he we don't fuck him off, he will do for us.

Compare this to attention Jack got. Rarely had fewer then 2 players around him. Almost as if you stop Jack, you stop Villa (sarcastic face thing)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on September 23, 2018, 08:09:45 AM
I thought Sheffield deserved more than their two goals yesterday. We didn't deserve much at all. I thought Bolaise should have come on just after we got the equaliser whilst the place was rocking after Mcginn's goal. That's the first time i've heard Bruce Out chants at home and to be honest, he can't complain too much.

Spot on, word for word.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: itbrvilla on September 23, 2018, 08:23:34 AM
I was amazed at the amount of people around me who were blaming the keeper for the winner.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 23, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
Slept on it and it remains as horrible as it was in real time.  The single fundamental defect in our slide to where we now are is that we play too deep, we move the ball too slowly and we make unforced errors.

Yesterday was typical.  We try to mimic top flight teams by retaining possession with backwards and sideways passing.  For that to work you need players with the pace and technique to make the killer pass or the killer run into the heart of the opposition.  Our players are not good enough for that so we shuffle the ball about until it is hoofed forward or we lose possession.
We would be infinitely more successful if we played Route 1 with strength and pace.  Leicester won the Premiership doing it.

As somebody said, we are so easy to play against.  Let us shuffle the ball about until we either lump it aimlessly (Yes Hutton I am looking at you) or misplace a five yard pass (and you Jedinak).  It is what we have become.

The big, big problem is the defence. In McGinn, Grealish and Hourihane we have a midfield bursting with talent, but in front of a Frankenstein’s Monster of a defence, it hugely affects their play. They all have to drop deep to collect the ball, which means they’re often dispossessed not far from our area. Jedinak was utterly pathetic yesterday, and Chester is suffering for it too.
Agree with all of this, but there’s something else.
It’s the combination of (i) aimless passing across the back, (ii) slow speed of thinking in releasing the ball, (iii) lack of movement upfront, and (iv) midfielders who are not breaking quickly forward very often.
When we play 2 wingers (of which I’m not really a fan), we have to release them early; we don’t. And, we need to have players haring into the box; we don’t.
When Bruce attacks the fans, he insults us because - based on what i read here - many seem to have a better idea than him about what is going wrong and therefore what needs to be done.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 23, 2018, 08:41:46 AM
As my son said to me Bruce's whole game plan revolves around hoping for individual bits of brilliance. We never control games.

Yesterday Wednesday outworked us which is unforgivable.

At the end if the day we have very little chance of going up as we have no defence. A new coach needs to drill the team to keep the ball as far up the pitch as possible for the majority of the game. Bruce just wants us to pass to wingers hoping that eventually one of their crosses will come off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 23, 2018, 08:50:24 AM
Incidentally if Bolasie keeps fannying around waiting for the ball to come to him instead of moving towards it, he’ll get on my wick quite quickly. Got dispossessed about three times yesterday the sane way. I hope it’s part of his recovery from injury that he’ll overcome.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 23, 2018, 08:55:03 AM
Slept on it and it remains as horrible as it was in real time.  The single fundamental defect in our slide to where we now are is that we play too deep, we move the ball too slowly and we make unforced errors.

Yesterday was typical.  We try to mimic top flight teams by retaining possession with backwards and sideways passing.  For that to work you need players with the pace and technique to make the killer pass or the killer run into the heart of the opposition.  Our players are not good enough for that so we shuffle the ball about until it is hoofed forward or we lose possession.
We would be infinitely more successful if we played Route 1 with strength and pace.  Leicester won the Premiership doing it.

As somebody said, we are so easy to play against.  Let us shuffle the ball about until we either lump it aimlessly (Yes Hutton I am looking at you) or misplace a five yard pass (and you Jedinak).  It is what we have become.

The big, big problem is the defence. In McGinn, Grealish and Hourihane we have a midfield bursting with talent, but in front of a Frankenstein’s Monster of a defence, it hugely affects their play. They all have to drop deep to collect the ball, which means they’re often dispossessed not far from our area. Jedinak was utterly pathetic yesterday, and Chester is suffering for it too.
And, another thing.
The defence will never be reliable while (a) he changes the line up every other week, and (b) he plays a nonCB alongside a right-footed leftback.
Once again yesterday, both fullbacks were caught out of position time and time again. Opposing teams must love playing us when our wings are so vulnerable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
Agree that the core of our malaise is the goalkeeper, the full backs and the central defenders.  Because they, with the semi exception of James Chester are such poor players and yes Nyland might get better, our midfield has to shoulder defence responsibilities leaving us deeper than we should be all the time.  Remember those wonderful days when Martin Laursen or Olaf Mellberg would come barrelling up the centre of the field into the opposition half?  Mile Jedinak would be looking across at his mate in the dugout to see if he should cross the half way line.  Then get dispossessed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 23, 2018, 09:03:16 AM
Nyland actually did all right yesterday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on September 23, 2018, 09:09:55 AM
It wasn't just the defence yesterday the midfield let them come steaming through far too easily especially second half - I'd like a return to 4 1 4 1 it worked ok last season - yesterday we had Grealish right side left side central, the shape was all over the place.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2018, 09:14:05 AM
Don't worry, the players will soon get to know each other, they're all new, it's like having a whole new squad, once they've worked out how to play with each other well be there or thereabouts, Jedinak is a CB for certain, you only have to see how we played against Rotherham to know we'll be ok.

There's always been a contingent that won't accept me...

Wanker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on September 23, 2018, 09:14:38 AM
Couldn’t make it yesterday but seems like the only thing I missed was the inevitable crowd turning on Bruce.  Only surprised it has taken so long.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2018, 09:47:59 AM
My mood is as crap as the weather. How can we be still so shit after spending a fortune since being relegated? There is no end to this misery.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 09:52:31 AM
Cheer up Aftab we have getting knocked out of the FA Cup to look forward to.  Onwards and downwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 23, 2018, 09:59:04 AM
Bruce will NEVER make a sub while it’s  positive and we are in the driving seat. All of his subs are reactive
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
Yes Brian no doubt we will get drawn at home against some semi-pros from the Conference and their part time Manager will easily outwit our £3M a year  "knows the game been there done it" Maestro. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2018, 10:04:04 AM
Bruce will NEVER make a sub while it’s  positive and we are in the driving seat. All of his subs are reactive
About reactive as a dead slug.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
My mood is as crap as the weather. How can we be still so shit after spending a fortune since being relegated? There is no end to this misery.

Sounds like a Tokyo trip is in order, mate. Plenty of hot sake, wagyu beef and distance from Bruce. On me of course!

I predict he'll be gone soon, we'll get someone in who knows his arse from his elbow, and you'll enjoy going down the Villa again. Fuck, we might even have a decent FA Cup run with a manager that wants to win the bastard thing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on September 23, 2018, 10:47:40 AM
Just about in the top half. Nothing to do with you Bruce, thank the people that named the Club.
Yeah potato head will probably claim credit for us being top of the league before a ball was was kicked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on September 23, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Nyland actually did all right yesterday.
I agree.
He prevented us getting a tonking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2018, 10:55:10 AM
Sounds like a Tokyo trip is in order, mate. Plenty of hot sake, wagyu beef and distance from Bruce. On me of course!
Oh how I wish as that would be so nice. However most likely scenario is that I along with many thousands will keep turning up at VP taking the medicine until we see this petty, self centred asshole  gone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on September 23, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
thatwas beyond egregious and worse than anything I saw under DM. Total shite - and Gayle was the striker we should have brought in on loan, quality at this level.

He wouldn’t be if he played for us
Potato head would have put him at left back. Or centre half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on September 23, 2018, 11:00:48 AM
Grealish is the most talented player we have but by jeez he fannied around a lot. He never plays a quick one two always seems to want to take them all on by himself. I think it is the reason we look disjointed up front, a good manager would turn him into a legend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on September 23, 2018, 11:07:02 AM
Today I could put up with no more and let rip at the Bruce apologist/snowflake behind me in the lower Holte.
The peasants are revolting.......off with his head!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2018, 12:09:31 PM
Bruce should be treating all of us to wagyu beef after that crap. Like MON reluctantly attending a dinner for the fans who flew to Moscow to watch a second-string side tamely exit the Europa. Didn't he tell some fans to "shut-up" at said occasion (seem to remember former H&Ver DC5 stating as much)?
Anyway, enough digression and back to our beef with Bruce...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on September 23, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
Wednesday had a decent goalie, a solid defensive line, a hardworking team ethic and an organised game plan that included passing the ball correctly and playing as team.

It's not rocket science Mr Bruce. But of course, you know what you're doing don't you?   
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 23, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
It wasn't just the defence yesterday the midfield let them come steaming through far too easily especially second half - I'd like a return to 4 1 4 1 it worked ok last season - yesterday we had Grealish right side left side central, the shape was all over the place.

Agreed, our biggest problem is the midfield and front players are providing little to no cover for the defence. We seem to be at our most vulnerable from attacking set pieces, which says a lot for our shape, or more lack of it. The utter laziness of Kodjia for one cannot be tolerated in such an unbalanced side. That crap spreads like a virus in the team as was seen in our last two home games. Abraham already needs a boot in the arse after his effort yesterday.

The problem to be fair to Bruce was that he played both Jedinak and Grealish centrally v Blackburn and both were useless. But we are going nowhere playing 442 with the players we currently have.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2018, 01:33:31 PM
Agree the 442 looks wrong for us

We have been playing 4141 most of the seaon. The problem is that last year the 4 all had a great goal and assist threat. This year that threat is much reduced. It wasn't working for me. It might however work w Kodjia and Bolasie wide. Also means dropping hourihane again unless jack plays wide
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: fbriai on September 23, 2018, 01:36:03 PM
Wednesday had a decent goalie, a solid defensive line, a hardworking team ethic and an organised game plan that included passing the ball correctly and playing as team.

It's not rocket science Mr Bruce. But of course, you know what you're doing don't you?   

Exactly, Pete. They just worked on getting the ball to the wing, so that they could get it into the box for Fletcher as quickly as possible. As was the case at Brammall Lane, we made a solid team look like world-beaters.

Fletcher had a couple of chances in the minutes before he scored. Why he didn't change something I don't know; you could have driven a bus down the centre of our defence at times. My fear is that Bruce's response will be simply to revert to one up top and bring in Whelan in place of Kodjia.

Plus, we have a centre-forward who has pace, excellent close control and an eye for goal, and we spend half the time lumping it up to him long from the full-backs. We should be bossing teams in this division with the quality we have available.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 23, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
Agree that the core of our malaise is the goalkeeper, the full backs and the central defenders.  Because they, with the semi exception of James Chester are such poor players and yes Nyland might get better, our midfield has to shoulder defence responsibilities leaving us deeper than we should be all the time.  Remember those wonderful days when Martin Laursen or Olaf Mellberg would come barrelling up the centre of the field into the opposition half?  Mile Jedinak would be looking across at his mate in the dugout to see if he should cross the half way line.  Then get dispossessed.

True. And to compound the misery, our only attacking 'philosophy' is to get crosses into the box, when the situation you describe above ensures that we rarely have the numbers in the opposition penalty area to capitalise on said crosses.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 23, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
Agree the 442 looks wrong for us

We have been playing 4141 most of the seaon. The problem is that last year the 4 all had a great goal and assist threat. This year that threat is much reduced. It wasn't working for me. It might however work w Kodjia and Bolasie wide. Also means dropping hourihane again unless jack plays wide

Those two are far too lazy to play together. Snodgrass once he settled used put in a fair shift on the right last season. Despite their limitations, Davis and Hogan used do likewise up front. We are really missing that honest graft up top.

I'd be more thinking of a tight 433, with Taylor coming back in at left back next to Axel and told not to pass the half way line. That would mean we should be able to keep a fairly high line with Axel being much quicker than Jedi. Though it leaves us very vulnerable in the air as seen at Blackburn.

Midfield three of one holding midfielder, which for most games shoukd be Whelan or BB. Who are not to get ahead of the ball at any time. Hourihane sitting next to him with McGinn slightly further forward.

It means Jack on one wing, Bolasie on the other and Abraham up front. If we could keep those three higher up the pitch we should be very dangerous from broken play. It's still far from ideal, we are really missing Snodgrass, Johnstone, Grabban and Terry from last season. So many others nowhere near the standards of last year too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 23, 2018, 03:46:57 PM


I'd give that performance 1/10 if i was being generous. Possibly the most depressing performance i've seen in a decade or so.

Don't know where to even begin. Nobody, other than possibly McGinn came out of that with any credit at all.

AWFUL.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 23, 2018, 03:55:31 PM


I'd give that performance 1/10 if i was being generous. Possibly the most depressing performance i've seen in a decade or so.

Don't know where to even begin. Nobody, other than possibly McGinn came out of that with any credit at all.

AWFUL.
Still backing the manager then?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 23, 2018, 04:05:24 PM


I'd give that performance 1/10 if i was being generous. Possibly the most depressing performance i've seen in a decade or so.

Don't know where to even begin. Nobody, other than possibly McGinn came out of that with any credit at all.

AWFUL.
Still backing the manager then?

Haven't been for ages.

I will however keep defending him from folks who think it's all just his fault and never the players of course.

It drives me barmy the excuses people make for certain players. I suppose the latest will be Chester is playing like a donkey because of Jedi.

Just like Jack can't be playing shit because his mind isn't focused it must be someone else's fault.

Blame Bruce for his part in this mess by all means. He's got a huge part to play in it. But don't make him the scapegoat for everything that's wrong on the pitch (IMHO) and don't make it personal. He's a good bloke.



Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 04:08:42 PM
I thought he was a good bloke till his slagging off the fans after we saw off the might of Real Rotherham. He can get fucked now. Once you turn on the fans, your days are numbered. He's nothing more than a new O'Leary.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 23, 2018, 04:11:12 PM
I thought he was a good bloke till his slagging off the fans after we saw off the might of Real Rotherham. He can get fucked now. Once you turn on the fans, your days are numbered. He's nothing more than an a new O'Leary.

You want to hear what Suzanne Virdee says about her fan club members.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
I was too miffed to post last night.

Yesterday I woke up with a hangover, the 2hour drive took 3 hours each way and got to Villa Park just before kick off. I didn’t feel positive and I was right. Awful across the pitch, not a single player had a good game.

 McGinn’s goal aside, and a few minutes later a screamer from Hourihane, there wasn’t a moment in the game where I felt we looked like a team with a plan. Wednesday started off on the front foot and dominated possession, Chester and Jedinak were poor in possession, we had no movement in midfield and we were coming deep to pick up the ball from the centre backs meaning we had to try to create from deep. Kodjia and Abraham were lethargic and could not hold up a single ball played to them with their back to goal, meaning we had no platform to get players further forward. The full backs and wide men were really poor and Jack was spending too long on the ball, mainly because of the lack of movement in front of him. In short, we were shit with no pattern of play and the subs made zero difference.

The Bruce out momentum will grow unless he gets wins in the next 2-3 games. I don’t think he will manage this and reckon he will probably be gone in October.

The atmosphere was shit  too - a 5 minutes spell aside it didn’t feel like a 35k crowd
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 23, 2018, 04:14:31 PM


I'd give that performance 1/10 if i was being generous. Possibly the most depressing performance i've seen in a decade or so.

Don't know where to even begin. Nobody, other than possibly McGinn came out of that with any credit at all.

AWFUL.
Still backing the manager then?

Haven't been for ages.

I will however keep defending him from folks who think it's all just his fault and never the players of course.

It drives me barmy the excuses people make for certain players. I suppose the latest will be Chester is playing like a donkey because of Jedi.

Just like Jack can't be playing shit because his mind isn't focused it must be someone else's fault.

Blame Bruce for his part in this mess by all means. He's got a huge part to play in it. But don't make him the scapegoat for everything that's wrong on the pitch (IMHO) and don't make it personal. He's a good bloke.
Yes he is a really good bloke, the way he takes responsibility and never try’s to blame any one else.
Stay in your bubble then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
He's such a good bloke that he lies repeatedly, chucks anyone he can under the bus, and has insulted us as a fan base more often than even Mr Fickle did.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 05:21:35 PM
The good bloke is just PR.  His personality has nothing to do with the argument.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaLoyal on September 23, 2018, 05:46:22 PM
I was amazed at the amount of people around me who were blaming the keeper for the winner.

I felt he contributed.

Last season I seem to recall Johnson would come out and do punching quite a bit. The lad we have seems glued to his line. I think I remember him making one catch.

As opposed to the Sheffield Wednesday keeper who must have claimed/caught ten crosses in the match. Sure as a result of poor crosses but also he came out and claimed a lot. Dominating the area.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaLoyal on September 23, 2018, 05:49:28 PM
Deja vu all over again. Beaten by a team who were well organised, let us have the ball in our own half, pressed everywhere else and broke quickly. We seem to rely on individual moments of excellence. One of the best Villa goals from outside the box I’ve seen but to no avail. The most important cog in the wheel at a club is the manager and ours is not up to it. So frustrating.

You sum it up well Walsall imo.

Organisation, planning and preparation will 9/10 times beat quality in the championship.

Wolves and Fulham (eventually) had both last season. Cardiff had very good organisation.



Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on September 23, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
I was too miffed to post last night.

Yesterday I woke up with a hangover, the 2hour drive took 3 hours each way and got to Villa Park just before kick off. I didn’t feel positive and I was right. Awful across the pitch, not a single player had a good game.

 McGinn’s goal aside, and a few minutes later a screamer from Hourihane, there wasn’t a moment in the game where I felt we looked like a team with a plan. Wednesday started off on the front foot and dominated possession, Chester and Jedinak were poor in possession, we had no movement in midfield and we were coming deep to pick up the ball from the centre backs meaning we had to try to create from deep. Kodjia and Abraham were lethargic and could not hold up a single ball played to them with their back to goal, meaning we had no platform to get players further forward. The full backs and wide men were really poor and Jack was spending too long on the ball, mainly because of the lack of movement in front of him. In short, we were shit with no pattern of play and the subs made zero difference.

The Bruce out momentum will grow unless he gets wins in the next 2-3 games. I don’t think he will manage this and reckon he will probably be gone in October.

The atmosphere was shit  too - a 5 minutes spell aside it didn’t feel like a 35k crowd

Excellent summary
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
442 against a five man midfield featuring Barry Bannan always felt like a risk

I know loads of fans think we have to play two up top at home but I just don't agree. You can be plenty attacking with one central striker

442 is playable in the modern game but it's hard to get right
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 23, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
Bannan's having a great season for them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 08:00:23 PM
442 against a five man midfield featuring Barry Bannan always felt like a risk

I know loads of fans think we have to play two up top at home but I just don't agree. You can be plenty attacking with one central striker

442 is playable in the modern game but it's hard to get right
Only saw one up top.Don't know where Kodja was but it certainly wasn't alongside Abraham.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 23, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
My mate who lives in Spain says the Marca has McGinn’s goal as the best of the season so far. That includes Spain too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 23, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
My mate who lives in Spain says the Marca has McGinn’s goal as the best of the season so far. That includes Spain too.

No verás nada mejor en mucho tiempo: la volea de McGinn para el Aston Villa - You will not see anything better in a long time: McGinn's volley for Aston Villa.

Link (http://videos.marca.com/v/0_027uuf9f-no-veras-nada-mejor-en-mucho-tiempo-la-volea-de-mcginn-para-el-aston-villa?uetv_pl=futbol&count=0)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: tony scott on September 23, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
Footballs a simple game and we’ve got the fundamentals wrong , in with a weak spine re CB and Goal Keeper until that’s settled we’ll remain inconsistent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: RussellC on September 24, 2018, 08:16:32 AM
Bruce showed how much prep we'd done for playing against Wednesday in his press conference though. No surprise whatsoever that Wednesday were able to set-up almost exactly as they did last season, with the same end-result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 24, 2018, 08:53:08 AM
442 against a five man midfield featuring Barry Bannan always felt like a risk

I know loads of fans think we have to play two up top at home but I just don't agree. You can be plenty attacking with one central striker

442 is playable in the modern game but it's hard to get right

Genuinely think we are best suited for a 4231. Jack to playing centrally with Kodjia out wide.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2018, 09:18:04 AM
Very disappointed apart from John McGinn's wonder goal which I had a great view of and a brief flurry in the second half the journey home was not a nice one again seem to be having a lot of those when I leave Villa Park something needs to change we can't keep playing like this we have a very talented squad of players and this needs to be sorted one way or other because I don't want us to fall behind too much away from the top six.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 24, 2018, 10:18:15 AM
Even a vague attempt at putting pressure on Bannan would have helped.

It was if there was a cloak of invisibility that prevented Bruce and the coaching staff from seeing what Bannan was doing and therefore allocating a Villa player to prevent him.

At least on of Tammy or Kod (....so, Tammy then because Kod doesn't do chasing about) should have been instructed to drop back when Wednesday had the ball and harass Barry
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 24, 2018, 10:25:48 AM
The decision to play Jedinak on Tuesday against Rotherham was a justified one but it baffled me as to why he thought Tuanzebe couldn't handle a 31 year old Steven Fletcher. (I thought he was older than that by the way).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 11:36:31 AM
The system, 4-4-2, 4-1-3-1-1, 5-3-2 doesn't matter. Providing you have the personnel and you actually practise and have some coaching and a plan.

We've got eh personnel (barring a CB and LB) but the rest isn't there.

It's as if Bruce decides to buy good players and send them out to work out the plan themselves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sheff Weds Post-Match Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 24, 2018, 05:50:20 PM
Looks like I picked a great game to miss!

Instead, I went to Derby-Brentford, and enjoyed a real feast.

Last year, Derby had Rowett, who I regard as even worse than Bruce; now they have Lumplard, who has filled his squad with young signings, loanees and academy players (what on earth are they?).

The Bees scored in the first minute but Derby didn't look put out in the slightest. They pressed Brentford all over the pitch, worked hard to win it back when they lost it, passed it well and might have scored half-a-dozen in the first half-hour.

Looking at the Derby line-up, I wondered how many would get into Villa's side. Not many, I'd guess, yet they are ten times the team that we are under Bruce.

Bruce forever needs just two more players; Lampard just gets on with coaching with what he's got and putting players in the best positions and roles.

It'll never catch on!!
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