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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
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1 shot on target in nearly an hour against a crap side down to 10 men. Not good enough.
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Same old shit.
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I think I hate Steve Bruce.
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dumb.
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Very, very poor not to have won that.
I expect to hear our manager say “That’s the Championship for ya”
To which I will say “Fuck off Steve”
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Well played Villa good away result having to play with 10 men....hang on a sec.
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Oh dear. How can Bruce explain that?
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Garbage
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Merge with mine please Mr Shin.
Crap result
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Being too predictable and a nervy keeper cost us two points.
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A bad result. But it's a positive that we're looking at away draws at bad results.
We're unbeaten still. A long way to go.
Sounds like the goalkeeper is a concern.
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Bruce you don't know what you are doing.
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Get rid.
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Oh dear. How can Bruce explain that?
Tough division.
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Stats are woeful - 10 shots, 3 on target in the whole game. Played against 10 men for nearly 60 mins. Players and coaches all of them - shit. We are a fucking shambles, terrible to watch, absolutely no idea. Bruce will no doubt take comfort in 7 from 9, but the signs are all painfully obvious that we are a mid table team at best. We don't just need new players - we need a new manager.
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2pts dropped/lost/wasted.
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only saw ten mins and watched Jedi give it away three times
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On the face of it, a good point away at this stage of the season. Factor in the 51 minutes against 10 men and not even putting them under pressure though.........The only manager we've ever had where a sending off for the opposition makes your heart sink. That's Bruceball for yer.
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V frustrating. If it wasn't Brentford next I'd be much happier with a point.
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Fuck off Bruce. Tedious football ad nauseam.
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3 shots on target.
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Get rid.
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I really can't see the point of playing Jedinak at centre back and and Tuanzebe at full back for only an hour.
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Oh dear. How can Bruce explain that?
"That's the championship for yer"
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Two points dropped and normal service resumed. That's the Championship.
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Bruce you don't know what you are doing.
He's holding us back. The man's an arse.
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no chance they will get rid with him being unbeaten but McGrath we are rubbish
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As has been said before, the performances are consistent in that we rarely play well or look convincing, we have no style of play so you will always get random results.
Today proves that a Bruce is just not good enough.
We will not progress until someone in authority works this out.
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Terrible, any post match drivel like a hard earned point and at least we didn't lose this, or not good enough is nonsense, Ipswitch we're there for the taking, Brentford will be a seriously hard game.
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Didn't see any of the game, but I don't think I need to. We play in the same functional, attritional way every game. We have match winners who will make it that we we do enough to 'be thereabouts'. Bruce isn't as bad as some make out, but he is guilty of putting side out that has no discernible way of playing. I don't think the team knows what it's supposed to be doing sometimes.
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It's Brucehog Day
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Steve Bruce doesn’t have a progressive, modern, inventive football bone in his body. Let alone brain.
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Okay keeper fecked up for the goal but not enough shots on target. Should have been raining them in. No plan B whenever the other team shut up shop.
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The biggest issue for me is the same as it's always been. We don't really seem to have a plan, if one of our better players doesn't do a bit of magic we look pretty clueless. The results have been ok, but that's 4 games against shit sides and you'd probably struggle to pull 45 minutes worth of us playing well from them.
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As has been said before, the performances are consistent in that we rarely play well or look convincing, we have no style of play so you will always get random results.
Today proves that a Bruce is just not good enough.
We will not progress until someone in authority works this out.
Honestly though, the players have to shoulder some blame.. Jack, Kodjia, Adomah, Green, RHM, McGinn, Hourihane.. all on for plenty of time to construct something. They weren't exactly set up poorly, and barely created two shots on goal.
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As has been said before, the performances are consistent in that we rarely play well or look convincing, we have no style of play so you will always get random results.
Today proves that a Bruce is just not good enough.
We will not progress until someone in authority works this out.
Honestly though, the players have to shoulder some blame.. Jack, Kodjia, Adomah, Green, RHM, McGinn, Hourihane.. all on for plenty of time to construct something. They weren't exactly set up poorly, and barely created two shots on goal.
Can only conclude they're told not to shoot .
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Once again this intransigent nutsack plays people out of position. Bruce will never get us promoted - and you can colour that any fucking way you like.
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He's going to say...
[soft voice]
"You only have to look back a few weeks to see the club was in turmoil, so for us to get a point now, away from home is terrific. Ipswich have a certain way of playing and that's the Championship for you. The fans were exceptional, massive club, really massive club with fantastic owners."
[/soft voice]
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The biggest issue for me is the same as it's always been. We don't really seem to have a plan, if one of our better players doesn't do a bit of magic we look pretty clueless. The results have been ok, but that's 4 games against shit sides and you'd probably struggle to pull 45 minutes worth of us playing well from them.
Said every fan of every Bruce side ever.
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Club has nine hundred midfielders. The chief strategy is to kick it over their heads.
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We thumped Ipswich 4-0 only 4 months ago....team has gone backwards.
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Bruce bingo. There will be supportive but backhanded comments about Nyland, designed to imply the result was about his error not the line up or hour of toothless attacking.
The fact that Johnstone left due to the club’s uncertain status, when Bruce himself stayed, may be alluded to.
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'Bredan? Wes here....'
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Nyland fucking up annoyed me, but I can accept every team will concede some goals. Winning isn't a difficult science - you go and score more goals than the other team. Bruce doesn't seem to realise this, which is why everybody's rapidly losing what patience they had with him.
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Can we reset the poll?,I'm curious.Wrong thread.
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The defence needs working on, it's makeshift. If Nyland makes another mistake leading to a goal, then he needs to be fucked off out of it. No time for error-prone keepers. They make the entire team nervous and put too much pressure on the forwards.
Bruce has a couple of weeks to get the issue sorted in the loan window, I don't think there's a sniff of any deals happening.
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2 points dropped there. Frustrating in the end.
The quality of the delivery into the box was very poor second half. Although I thought Kodjia did ok, worked hard and scored a good header, you can see from these two points where we're lacking; a striker where the ball will stick up front and a wide player.
I felt we created too big a gap between out midfield and Kodjia, so it was hard to bring McGinn and Grealish into it. The latter should have scored second half.
They worked hard and were incredible physical. I cannot fathom why they're complaining about the sending off. The referee even spoke to their captain 5 minutes before and warned them.
Defensively, bar the goal we didn't do anything wrong but we weren't put under pressure. The biggest issue with Jedinak is the distribution from the back. It's very poor.
Much to work on, but Green was poor when he came on and RHM ineffectual.
Certainly 2 points dropped under the circumstances and balance of play.
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Disappointing result given the second half against 10 men. Most frustrating is the lack of attempts on goal and the fact they had the best chances. Bringing in two keepers from the continent is a risk but to send a decent keeper on loan is madness.
Until we identify a style of play with a greater goal threat I see us top ten at best this season.
Would a different manager get more out of this squad you’d have to say yes
Also i want Bruce to be asked why he plays jedinak at centre half?
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Can we reset the poll?,I'm curious.
I’m not sure why the thread title was changed.
The main Bruce thread should have been done.
I’m still very much Bruce out.
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Bruce just doesn't have the mindset to go out and win games...it's all about not loosing them. Great if you want to finish mid table but not so good if you want to win the league.
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You can't rely on spawny 1-0 victories,so as shakey as the keeper is, I'm not blaming him for our ills.
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A lot of harsh comments here i think. People should remember that Ipswich/the ref delivered the equavlient of a martial arts death blow on our chances of a win. It meant a Bruce side had to come out and try and win the game with creativity and attacking play. Underhand tactics and terrible refereeing cost us today 8)
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We thumped Ipswich 4-0 only 4 months ago....team has gone backwards.
We drew with Hull 4 months ago. Teams gone forwards.
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I felt we created too big a gap between out midfield and Kodjia, so it was hard to bring McGinn and Grealish into it ...
Is this where the BB role should have been? - creating the link for the 2 MF ball players to be effective?
And, what was Elmo's role?
I couldn't really envisage how the team would set up when I saw the teamsheet.
We have to find a way of making Jack & John's capabilities make a difference in a game like this.
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Can we reset the poll?,I'm curious.
I’m not sure why the thread title was changed.
The main Bruce thread should have been done.
I’m still very much Bruce out.
And put in wrong thread! Sorry.
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Bruce just doesn't have the mindset to go out and win games...it's all about not loosing them. Great if you want to finish mid table but not so good if you want to win the league.
I agree 100% with this. It's the kind of mindset built up over time from being in the lower reaches of the Premier League, when any point away is a 'bonus'. He's incapable of seeing every game as a winnable one. Had we properly attacked Ipswich in that second half they would have been too tired through hanging on to race up the other end with a counter attack anyway. So frustrating.
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I felt we created too big a gap between out midfield and Kodjia, so it was hard to bring McGinn and Grealish into it ...
Is this where the BB role should have been? - creating the link for the 2 MF ball players to be effective?
And, what was Elmo's role?
I couldn't really envisage how the team would set up when I saw the teamsheet.
We have to find a way of making Jack & John's capabilities make a difference in a game like this.
Thor was the holding player. Elmo was wide right and then moved to full back.
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I felt we created too big a gap between out midfield and Kodjia, so it was hard to bring McGinn and Grealish into it ...
Is this where the BB role should have been? - creating the link for the 2 MF ball players to be effective?
And, what was Elmo's role?
I couldn't really envisage how the team would set up when I saw the teamsheet.
We have to find a way of making Jack & John's capabilities make a difference in a game like this.
You would think so yeah. There should be plans for BB and the two full backs moving up the pitch to try and find Grealish/McGinn with space between the lines. But Bruce clearly doesn't coach attacking patterns... he just asks that the forward players do their own thing and tries to win games with moments of individual quality. Against a team sitting back with 10 men it just isn't enough.
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Today highlights why we won’t go up under Bruce. Shite.
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Bruce treats this division like it's a muck and bullets slugfest. The sides which win it treat it like they're better than every other one.
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Meh. Early start has flattered us really and today's result has balanced out the first two.
Still very disappointing. We should be beating Ipswich when they have 11.
This is the sort of game we'd have ground out 1-0 last year but obviously weaker keeper and defensive structure.
Not good. Need to step things up v our bogey team on Wednesday.
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I think it's more of a case that Albert, Hutton and then Green delivered some absolute rubbish. Delivery was nowhere near good enough and the hold up play is beyond Kodjia.
We need a forward where the ball will stick and we will look so much better.
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Just watched the highlights
Everything about them screamed second rate
We had four good chances. All from crosses. Three from set pieces.
They missed two sitters.
We do need change I feel. But we need to choose right. And if that means waiting a while I'm ok with that
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I think it's more of a case that Albert, Hutton and then Green delivered some absolute rubbish. Delivery was nowhere near good enough and the hold up play is beyond Kodjia.
We need a forward where the ball will stick and we will look so much better.
You'd have thought with McGinn and Grealish we had enough quality to work it ON THE DECK THROUGH THE MIDDLE
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I think it's more of a case that Albert, Hutton and then Green delivered some absolute rubbish. Delivery was nowhere near good enough and the hold up play is beyond Kodjia.
We need a forward where the ball will stick and we will look so much better.
Really missing Grabban for hold up play, Davis is also sorely missed in that respect.
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Can't see any better than the play-offs under Bruce I'm afraid. You have to win a game against a middling side down to 10 men if you are looking for top 2. I can see Boro being this year's Cardiff, blunt but effective, and Leeds being this year's Wolves. I really hope this is just a stay of execution while the new owners find their feet, weigh up their options and set their sights on a proper coach.
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It’s 4-4-1 with a Jack drifting.
No pace any where, defense drops deep and no style of play.
No defensive pattern , no forward pattern, no creating 2 on 1 situations, no attempt to exploit individual strengths.
Nothing Nada just the same old shit.
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I think it's more of a case that Albert, Hutton and then Green delivered some absolute rubbish. Delivery was nowhere near good enough and the hold up play is beyond Kodjia.
We need a forward where the ball will stick and we will look so much better.
Really missing Grabban for hold up play, Davis is also sorely missed in that respect.
Spot on. Grabban was MOTM at the game on 21st April and I agree that we need a fit Davis as soon as possible to keep the ball 'up top'.
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Bruce interview https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1030855015513157632
Sky highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11475863/ipswich-1-1-aston-villa)
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Glad he is so relaxed about it.
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It's that mindset. He think's its 'fine' we got a point away at Ipswich.
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It's that mindset. He think's its 'fine' we got a point away at Ipswich.
That’s because in a whole season of results, providing you win the majority, it is.
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It's that mindset. He think's its 'fine' we got a point away at Ipswich.
That’s because in a whole season of results, providing you win the majority, it is.
I think if you see it purely as a result then yeah it is. Unfortunately everyone on here saw the performance and being unable to create anything against 10men for most of the match is definetely not "fine" if we expect to be in the running for promotion
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Not good enough, nowhere near good enough against 10 men.
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I'm glad Kodjia scored and pleased we've got 7 points from the 1st 3 games compared to only 1 point last season. Bothered by way Bruce sets up Axel and jedinak to play and concerned by Nyland. Definitely a case of 2 points dropped today. There's a lot more to come from the Villa team. Is Bruce capable of untapping their potential? I don't think so, despite our improved start.
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Comparing points totals is well and good but it feels very likely this season that any 2 out of about 4-5 teams could smash the league and we’re not going to do a Cardiff by grinding our way into second place.
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This game, especially when they went to 10, was an opportunity to make a statement. Sadly the statement we made was that we have no real strategy and just hope to grind results out.
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As it stands Bruce will not get this team promoted.
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Lot of overreaction on here I think. Disappointing result given the match circumstances but it's only August so talk of not getting promoted is a tad premature. Calling for the manager's head when we're unbeaten is frankly ridiculous.
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A point away to a poor Ipswich side playing with ten men for over a half is not good enough, in my opinion.
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Just back from the game.
Utter shite. How many times do we need to work out that Jedi is not a centre back? The easiest plan B Bruce will ever have to work out, and we're on the back foot for 40 mins of the second half.
As soon as you're pulling your entire team back for a corner against 10 men, you're showing your hand. A progressive manager would leave 2, 3 or 4 up front, just as a statement of intent. Not Bruce, he's quite happy to go home with the point.
In a league where only one team have an unbeaten record after three games, at least we're not playing catch up like usual. But, bloody hell, that was absolute rubbish. And I speak as someone who's been to all three games this season – and still can't see what our plan is.
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People bang on about not leaving more up at defensive corners
But I'm pretty sure I read that youre actually better off getting more men back and breaking from there (ie more goals are scored that way then leaving 3 versus 3 etc)
Not that we do either
I have calmed down a bit. Poor performances happen. We're still near the top
Get two wins from the nexr two and we'll be laughing
But brentford will be really tough
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The comments on the twatter feed after the interview are pretty consistent - with the exception of a bloke called Alan they are all slagging Bruce and his tactics and his bullshit comments. I hope the new owners are taking note.
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Genuine question for everyone. Who would we replace Bruce with? I have absolutely no idea, but I mostly don't pay attention to other teams unless they're playing the Villa.
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Genuine question for everyone. Who would we replace Bruce with? I have absolutely no idea, but I mostly don't pay attention to other teams unless they're playing the Villa.
Dean Smith. He has to keep selling his best players but Brentford still continue to play excellent football....
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Just home. Would have been sooner from one of my local fixtures but Ipswich bus company issue bus maps without showing the location of the football ground.
All I can say about that game is that it is the worst possible advertisement for Championship football. An ugly, nasty, bad tempered display by both sides in which the officials managed to enrage all the players and all the fans of both sides.
For us, nothing has changed from last season. We have a manager who sees nothing wrong with ugly football so that is what we are going to get.
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The penny must surely drop soon as regards to Bruce. Perhaps Wednesday's looming lesson on how to the play the game of football may just shove it off the end of the penny pusher.
Shit.
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We have better players than most sides in the division, and they were comfortably good enough to win today.
So why do they consistently produce shite football?
I honestly can't see what Bruce is telling them to do. His approach to coaching seems to be to pick the team and let them get on with it.
Any one of us can pick a side. The hard bit is telling the players exactly what they need to be doing on the pitch in order to score goals and not concede them. I can't see what Bruce is telling them that any ordinary football fan couldn't.
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Don't hold your breath Pete.
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I didn't see the game, but judging by those brief 'highlights' I'm glad I didn't bother. A defensive cock-up c/o the rubbish new 'keeper didn't didn't come as any surprise to me - and neither was I remotely shocked to see Jedinak start as a central defender & Axel at full back. It's the Bruce way ain't it? What did really wind me up though was the way we failed to press home our numerical advantage. It stinks to high heaven when players appear to have little of no meaningful instruction or motivation: and it's totally unacceptable. I thought we'd flattered to deceive in our opening 3 matches, and it looks like we finally got what we deserved ie very little. Quite how Bruce can continue to cheerfully serve up this disjointed bilge can only be down to the brownie points he's accrued through past promotions - because it sure as shite can't be due to his tactical nous or motivational skills. Any road, at least those who go along to VP in the week might just see some effective & attacking football (although it won't be emanating from those wearing claret & blue). Dino v Deano. Smashin'.
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
A la Hazard
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
Oh. My. God.
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Any news on that contract?
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
Happens all the time he is too deep most games we have 2 styles of play
1)Hit it direct for the striker to chase into the corner
2)Pass is slowly and sideways and wait for Jack to drop deep to collect the ball
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
Oh. My. God.
So you think different?
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Is there any rational explanation for a) signing Tuanzebe b) playing him right back c) playing Elmo right mid ? It wastes a sub.
Piss poor result, no point glossing over it. Kodjia breaking his duck the only positive.
Player ratings for today's game, gents? With the likes of McGinn, Grealish, Hourihane on the pitch surely we should enough guile on the pitch to be creating a hell of a lot more chances against 10 man Ipswich.
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Grealish was pretty much playing as a holding midfielder, he needs to be 15 yards further forward.
Oh. My. God.
So you think different?
Not at all, Luke. I'm just astonished to hear he's not playing further up the bloody pitch!
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Aaaaagh got you mate, yeah my post wasnt meant in some hyperpolic dramatic way, just unfortunately the majority of the time that he received the ball he was our deepest midfielder and coudn't hurt Ipswich with there whole midfield infront of him.
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Aaaaagh got you mate, yeah my post wasnt meant in some hyperpolic dramatic way, just unfortunately the majority of the time that he received the ball he was our deepest midfielder and coudn't hurt Ipswich with there whole midfield in front of him.
I take it this criminal waste of our most creative player persisted when the yokels went down to ten? It's utter madness.
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Elmo is playingright wing at the moment because Green looks very undercooked. Very poor when he came on.
I'm sure once we've finished our shopping that Elmo will.retreat.
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I don't mind AEM but it's a waste of an attacking position when he is pushed further forward. He has defensive mind when playing that position, was much the same start of last season. He's better coming from deep and getting crosses in.
Dunno when Hogan is going to get fit or if Davis is still alive but wouldn't be against in short term playing one of them upfront and putting Kodj out wide.
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It’s telling that we knew we’d not win from the moment Ipswich went down to 10. It’s an inept manager that hasn’t the gumption to beat 10 blokes who should have been blowing through their arses by minute 75, instead they were going for the winner. Pathetic.
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I don't mind AEM but it's a waste of an attacking position when he is pushed further forward. He has defensive mind when playing that position, was much the same start of last season. He's better coming from deep and getting crosses in.
Dunno when Hogan is going to get fit or if Davis is still alive but wouldn't be against in short term playing one of them upfront and putting Kodj out wide.
I agree he's a Right back really. But if green and adomah are both playing poorly I can see why he's doing it
I would like to see if we could get hourihane in the side tho. Even if it means jack or McGinn having to start wide
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I'm gonna nominate myself for " Smug twat of the weekend award " but I'm not really surprised or upset as today sounds like the normal Bruce set of results. Today is why some people, me included get concerned when we win games when we haven't played well because we know a performance like this is around the corner. Our team under Bruce is never the sum of the parts because he's tactically inept and our new over lords will soon see this and hopefully do something about this. I know it's only August, but this pattern of performances seems far too familiar
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Thought's from earlier. Jedinak is not a center half and there is no reason why he should be playing there when you have a promotion winning center half sitting on the bench. I'm also puzzled as to why McGinn was taken off corner duty when we saw last week he can swing a decent one in.
It's sometimes tough to play against ten men (we took them apart when it happened last season) but today we made harder work of it than we should have. It was extremely frustrating because the only thing I can recall Ipswich doing was scoring from something of our own doing and having a chance in the second half which flashed across the goal.
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I don't mind AEM but it's a waste of an attacking position when he is pushed further forward. He has defensive mind when playing that position, was much the same start of last season. He's better coming from deep and getting crosses in.
Dunno when Hogan is going to get fit or if Davis is still alive but wouldn't be against in short term playing one of them upfront and putting Kodj out wide.
I agree he's a Right back really. But if green and adomah are both playing poorly I can see why he's doing it
I would like to see if we could get hourihane in the side tho. Even if it means jack or McGinn having to start wide
So if 3 players are not performing well in the wide role why persist ? Try a diamond or wing backs with Axel in his proper role as aCB ?
Green was scoring goals from a central position in pre season.Kodjia might like his support or that of RHM
Also either of those 2 systems would free up McGinn and Grealish who should be our strenghs.
But tactical changes at short notice are probably a step too far for Bruce to handle.
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Bruce is fucking shit. The team is so dull.
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It’s telling that we knew we’d not win from the moment Ipswich went down to 10. It’s an inept manager that hasn’t the gumption to beat 10 blokes who should have been blowing through their arses by minute 75, instead they were going for the winner. Pathetic.
That sums it quite well for me. Not only is he not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he is more like one of those fucking massive soup spoons.
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''We live to fight another day''
Fuck off spud, you boring twat.
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Slept on it and it still feels like a good hiding. After all the pain and humiliation of Wembley and the aftermath club turmoil, the plain truth is that nothing has changed. The same underperforming players, the same lack of tactical nous, the same sloppy attitudes. We shall now find out if our new owners are as naive and stupid as their two predecessors.
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Just looking at the way other teams play(Leeds, Millwall, Sheff Utd, the Baggies, and even Middlesbrough under Pulis, to name a few), from the highlights, our lot are so boring to watch in comparison.
They're all playing decent stuff, and usually winning. I don't like Bruce's mentality that this league has to be one giant scrap. You can play good football and win as Wolves and Fulham showed last year.
It'll be a fucking brilliant day when Bruce goes.
On the other hand, 7 points out of 9 isn't a bad start. It's just that the football is eye bleeding in style. Odd team selection, again, yawn inducing post match interviews and, oh the list goes on.
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I don't know why people are questioning Bruce's managerial capabilities. He will definitely keep us up for the third year running.
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It’s telling that we knew we’d not win from the moment Ipswich went down to 10. It’s an inept manager that hasn’t the gumption to beat 10 blokes who should have been blowing through their arses by minute 75, instead they were going for the winner. Pathetic.
That sums it quite well for me. Not only is he not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he is more like one of those fucking massive soup spoons.
A ladle for leek and potato soup.
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It's statistically harder for the home team to go down to ten men than the away team. We put them to the sword a few months ago and ought to have done the same again.
Although a midfielder being sent off has less impact, as it costs 0.6.points on average.
Grabban was the difference, as the ball sticks to him.
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We will not go up under Bruce not because we don't have the players simply because this manager is frightened of losing. The expectations of a club of our size is such that it has got the better of most of the managers since M.O.N and so it seems this also applies to Bruce. People say he's a good bloke, very likeable, well maybe that's part of the problem. We have had a decent start points wise but look at who we've played.
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It's not as though we have a raft of new players getting to know each other.
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This is just another wasted season. It's following the same pattern as last year with a slight downgrade on players which will lead to us scrambling to make the play offs. As is, under Bruce, we have very little chance of going up.
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This is just another wasted season. It's following the same pattern as last year with a slight downgrade on players which will lead to us scrambling to make the play offs. As is, under Bruce, we have very little chance of going up.
You can't call it a wasted season after 3 games, that's ridiculous.
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This is just another wasted season. It's following the same pattern as last year with a slight downgrade on players which will lead to us scrambling to make the play offs. As is, under Bruce, we have very little chance of going up.
It feels like we have been wasting seasons since 1998.
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This is just another wasted season. It's following the same pattern as last year with a slight downgrade on players which will lead to us scrambling to make the play offs. As is, under Bruce, we have very little chance of going up.
You can't call it a wasted season after 3 games, that's ridiculous.
The football is the same, the mistakes are the same, the square pegs in round holes are the same. The results will follow a similar pattern. We will be there or thereabouts in Bruce's words but ultimately it's not good enough and it will be another year down here. If you've seen anything to suggest otherwise then fair play to you and it's enjoyable to win a lot of games but I cant see any way under Bruce that this set of players will finish top 2.
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A team goes down to ten men after half an hour. What do you do? Up the tempo, use the width, tire them out, keep getting the ball in the box. From the Radio Suffolk commentary and the brief highlights, it appears we did none of those things. Someone on here said in the match thread after they went a man down something to the effect of we'll hang on for the draw now. never a truer word. Turgid. So far we've had a workmanlike win over an under-par Hull side, a last gasp winner against a decent Wigan side, a lucky win against a League 2 side and now this. Wednesday night will teach us a lot about our real credentials in this league. Hope I'm wrong but I'm fearing the worst.
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The mistake Bruce made yesterday for me was not changing it at half time and possibly catching them off guard. I'd have taken off Elmo (who really shouldn't be a first choice winger now anyway) and put Adomah on the right, shifted Kodjia out wide of the three where he looks more of a threat and played RHM through the middle.
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This is just another wasted season. It's following the same pattern as last year with a slight downgrade on players which will lead to us scrambling to make the play offs. As is, under Bruce, we have very little chance of going up.
You can't call it a wasted season after 3 games, that's ridiculous.
The football is the same, the mistakes are the same, the square pegs in round holes are the same. The results will follow a similar pattern. We will be there or thereabouts in Bruce's words but ultimately it's not good enough and it will be another year down here. If you've seen anything to suggest otherwise then fair play to you and it's enjoyable to win a lot of games but I cant see any way under Bruce that this set of players will finish top 2.
But to write off the season after three games when absolutely anything can happen between now and next May is stupid. Besides, who's to say he will last the season?
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We can only hope. He won't get us up, he's wasting our time. 4 transfer windows in and we have Alan Hutton left back and a loan center back kid out of position at right back. That's shite.
Let's look at his transfers.
Lansbury - dropped
Bjarnason - in and out
Hogan- dropped
Bree - dropped
Hourihane - dropped
Taylor - dropped
Bedeau- youth player
Samba - released
Whelan - in and out
Elmohamady - in and out
Of all the players he's signed long term there isn't a single one who has held his position in the team long term, they're nearly all failures. So when he moans about no money, remind him he's fucked what he did have up the wall and it's on the subs bench.
The team yesterday was mostly made up of players Bruce didn't actually sign, his transfers have been that bad.
He's a waste of time and money.
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The outpouring of utter mentalness on Twitter post match yesterday was truly something to behold.
It's no wonder we're a laughing stock with other supporters. 7 points from 9 banked, into the next round of the cup and you'd honestly have thought we were rock bottom after 45 games the way some were carrying on on there.
Here's hoping Bruce calls out the panic merchants again if we fail to beat Brentford (as usual) on Weds and really lights their fuses ;D
He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ... people really do have short memories these days.
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It’s the fact that people’s memories are working fine and can spot patterns of failure.
He continues to deliver the same performances which will ultimately deliver the same outcome, failure.
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7 points flatters us based on performances. It's been a kind run aswell. With this style I'd say a 5-6 winless run when we started playing top 8 teams in a period of 3-4 weeks is pretty likely.
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We can only hope. He won't get us up, he's wasting our time. 4 transfer windows in and we have Alan Hutton left back and a loan center back kid out of position at right back. That's shite.
Let's look at his transfers.
Lansbury - dropped
Bjarnason - in and out
Hogan- dropped
Bree - dropped
Hourihane - dropped
Taylor - dropped
Bedeau- youth player
Samba - released
Whelan - in and out
Elmohamady - in and out
Of all the players he's signed long term there isn't a single one who has held his position in the team long term, they're nearly all failures. So when he moans about no money, remind him he's fucked what he did have up the wall and it's on the subs bench.
The team yesterday was mostly made up of players Bruce didn't actually sign, his transfers have been that bad.
He's a waste of time and money.
It's an unusual list above. Hourihane for starters have been a big success, limited or not, he was our highest scoring midfielder since Platt last season. The likes of Bjarnasson, Whelan and Elmo were all signed as squad players really and have all done fine. The failures are Hogan (spectacular), Lansbury (lazy signing), Taylor and Bree.
There are plenty of valid reasons to have a go at Bruce but his transfers in/out have been decent enough in his time. McGinn looks a gem of a player too.
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Stephen Roger Bruce please give us hope. Please.
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The outpouring of utter mentalness on Twitter post match yesterday was truly something to behold.
It's no wonder we're a laughing stock with other supporters. 7 points from 9 banked, into the next round of the cup and you'd honestly have thought we were rock bottom after 45 games the way some were carrying on on there.
Here's hoping Bruce calls out the panic merchants again if we fail to beat Brentford (as usual) on Weds and really lights their fuses ;D
He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ... people really do have short memories these days.
I'm not in the "Bruce out" camp, at least not yet. You've come across as a bit of an arse in that post though, to be honest.
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Let's look at his transfers.
Lansbury - dropped
Bjarnason - in and out
Hogan- dropped
Bree - dropped
Hourihane - dropped
Taylor - dropped
Bedeau- youth player
Samba - released
Whelan - in and out
Elmohamady - in and out
Of all the players he's signed long term there isn't a single one who has held his position in the team long term, they're nearly all failures. So when he moans about no money, remind him he's fucked what he did have up the wall and it's on the subs bench.
The team yesterday was mostly made up of players Bruce didn't actually sign, his transfers have been that bad.
According to the figures at www.transfermarkt.co.uk, Bruce has generated £46 million from player sales whilst spending just over £26 million. So he hasn't exactly been given the money to go and buy good players. Yes, he has spent money on loan signings but we have also generated money from loaning out players (like Amavi, Veretout, Gil, etc). Generally, in the loan market where Bruce has had more freedom to act, he has done well: Johnstone, Snodgrass and Grabban especially.
I'd also question whether, until the recent change of ownership, Bruce really signed all these players or whether some (particularly the younger ones) were chosen by Steve Round (of "Villa engine" fame).
Looking to (and adding some players you missed) at the list, I would amend it thus:
Lansbury - dropped
Bjarnason - in and out
Hogan - dropped in and out (and injured)
Bree - dropped
Hourihane - dropped regular
Taylor - dropped in and out
Bedeau - youth player
Samba - released
Whelan - in and out regular
Elmohamady - in and out regular
Terry - regular (and captain)
John McGinn - regular
Ojan Nyland - regular (gulp!)
I'd say Bruce only spent big money once: on Scott Hogan. Personally that was a signing I didn't like at the time for two reasons: he was having success as a result of Brentfords good performances (rather than Brentford's success being due to his performances) and he had a Micah-Richards-like injury record. Thankfully he was 24 when signed so we can expect to get at least half his value back in a sale.
All the rest were budget signings with mixed success: Terry and Hourihane were good, Bree and Lansbury were flops, the rest (Bjarnason, Taylor, Elmo etc) look like the £1m or £2m squad players that we could afford to sign.
I'd say Steve Bruce's signings have been about on par with what we might expect for a manager given £1 to spend out of every £2 he generates from player sales. Hopefully, the purchase of McGinn is an indication of better signings to come...
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For fans of Alan Hutton, have a good look at his efforts in the build up to Edwards hitting the bar for Ipswich. Edwards goes past him twice and he then jogs back ball watching as Edwards sprints in behind him for a clear chance on goal. See also his positioning and ball watching for Wigan's headed goal last week. Really not sure why people rate him so much.
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He was awful yesterday. Since he scored a goal he fancies himself as Peter McParland reborn.
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7 points flatters us based on performances
1-0 flattered us in Rotterdam, i'm still not complaining about it.
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The outpouring of utter mentalness on Twitter post match yesterday was truly something to behold.
It's no wonder we're a laughing stock with other supporters. 7 points from 9 banked, into the next round of the cup and you'd honestly have thought we were rock bottom after 45 games the way some were carrying on on there.
Here's hoping Bruce calls out the panic merchants again if we fail to beat Brentford (as usual) on Weds and really lights their fuses ;D
He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ... people really do have short memories these days.
I'm not in the "Bruce out" camp, at least not yet. You've come across as a bit of an arse in that post though, to be honest.
I don't mind that. It's still all true though. You only have to go on Twitter and see it for yourself.
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He was awful yesterday. Since he scored a goal he fancies himself as Peter McParland reborn.
I agree, Brian.
I think he improved last year as a result of being forced to concentrate by being put on the left instead of coasting as he knew it all.
All in the head. I note with interest that our highly regarded sports psychologist was fucked out during the night of the long knives.
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We've scored 7 goals in 3 games so we're doing something right. Defence doesn't sound too hot though.
Didn't we have a similar result last year against Boro where they were down to 10 men for the majority of the match and we failed to take the game to them?
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The outpouring of utter mentalness on Twitter post match yesterday was truly something to behold.
It's no wonder we're a laughing stock with other supporters. 7 points from 9 banked, into the next round of the cup and you'd honestly have thought we were rock bottom after 45 games the way some were carrying on on there.
Here's hoping Bruce calls out the panic merchants again if we fail to beat Brentford (as usual) on Weds and really lights their fuses ;D
He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ... people really do have short memories these days.
I'm not in the "Bruce out" camp, at least not yet. You've come across as a bit of an arse in that post though, to be honest.
I don't mind that. It's still all true though. You only have to go on Twitter and see it for yourself.
Twitter may not be the oracle , We are winning but it isn't pretty and people are allowed to moan . I don't want Bruce to leave necessarily but the football needs to improve
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Disgusted with the result considering they were down to 10 with half an hour left to play. Ipswich with 11 were there for the beating so it’s a poor result. However, get 3 points Wednesday and it won’t seem so bad.
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The outpouring of utter mentalness on Twitter post match yesterday was truly something to behold.
It's no wonder we're a laughing stock with other supporters. 7 points from 9 banked, into the next round of the cup and you'd honestly have thought we were rock bottom after 45 games the way some were carrying on on there.
Here's hoping Bruce calls out the panic merchants again if we fail to beat Brentford (as usual) on Weds and really lights their fuses ;D
He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ... people really do have short memories these days.
My thoughts exactly. Well said. Not saying everything's perfect but we're not doing too bad.
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Disappointed with the result especially when they went down to ten men I thought we should have gone on and claimed the three points but we move on to Wednesday now and hopefully beat Brentford.
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The mistake Bruce made yesterday for me was not changing it at half time and possibly catching them off guard. I'd have taken off Elmo (who really shouldn't be a first choice winger now anyway) and put Adomah on the right, shifted Kodjia out wide of the three where he looks more of a threat and played RHM through the middle.
Bruce has never done a sub at half time
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The mistake Bruce made yesterday for me was not changing it at half time and possibly catching them off guard. I'd have taken off Elmo (who really shouldn't be a first choice winger now anyway) and put Adomah on the right, shifted Kodjia out wide of the three where he looks more of a threat and played RHM through the middle.
Bruce has never done a sub at half time
probably ate one though
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Apparently Saturday was only the third time we haven't won a league game after scoring first since the start of last season. Since only drawing with Sheffield United after going ahead in December of last year we have won 23 and drawn 2 out of the the 25 games in which we have scored first.
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Didn't we have a similar result last year against Boro where they were down to 10 men for the majority of the match and we failed to take the game to them?
Yes another tick in the clueless box when odds are overwhelmingly on his side.
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He'd be bang on right again of course. It was only about a month ago that were were on the brink of administration ...
Yes a situation he was mostly responsible for.
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Their fans came across as quite stupid though, didn't they?