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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2018, 09:37:12 PM
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Goal of the season contender by Cafu. Solid win
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Hull are awful, needed to win that.
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Wasn't expecting that after 10 minutes.
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Always good to start with a win, Hull helped us a lot by being utterly awful and yet they still could have scored a few. We looked better with the Russian and Green on. Who would have thought pace would be good.
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Superb result, that will go some way to putting the negativity of the summer behind us, build on this, take it into the Wigan game, another 3 points and we are right in contention.
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Start with the finishing line up and I'm a happy boy.
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Now will anyone give Bruce some credit for that win?
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We’ve put away a side that will finish in the bottom 6-8 I think. That’s a plus given some of the results last year.
Lots to improve on. Though RHM looked lively when on given he’s had no pre season. Would start him ahead of Kodjia and probably Green as well ahead of Albert.
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So did Jack spend time in from of our fans at the end ?
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'Never in doubt.
UTV!
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Well that was a pleasant surprise. Thoroughly deserved win. RHM looks like he has a hell of a burst of pace on him. Could be exciting to watch this year if he gets games.
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Premier League here we come, good win this, UTV!!!
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Kodjia Albert Hourihane awful.
Imagine watching that team without Jack.
Great result against a very poor Hull side.
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Now will anyone give Bruce some credit for that win?
Nope
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Great to get off to a good start unlike the last couple of seasons, helped along by a really really poor Hull side who look set to struggle hard this year. Hutton's goal impressive and so well deserved. Jack is off now I think. Next game will be very interesting if so...
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Always good to start with a win, Hull helped us a lot by being utterly awful and yet they still could have scored a few. We looked better with the Russian and Green on. Who would have thought pace would be good.
Sums it up well and demonstrates what we knew, Tommy and Taylor are dreadful.
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Pleasantly surprised to win that.
Coming from behind to win is certainly a rare event.
We'll have tougher tests, Hull will be bottom 8 again.
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Good result. Attritional football as usual, punctuated by a really great moment from Hutton. If we lose Grealish those incoming loans will have to be something a bit special, or attritional might well turn into something less appealing.
Oh, and no more Elphick please.
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From what I saw we looked shite!
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Great result. I honestly think Sky are trying to get Jack sold. for what it's worth after a result like that i don't think he'll be going anywhere, all the board has to do is say he's not going.
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Not sure Jack contributed a lot tonight so don’t worry we can still be good without him
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Bruce out!
Why didn't we start with Green? And I'd definitely give rhm plenty of game time.
I am however very pleased we won ...
SuperSteve!
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Fantastic result
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Word for Steer.Certainly no bum.
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From what I saw we looked shite!
Are you in a toilet?
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From what I saw we looked shite!
Agreed but Hull were very, very poor.
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Take that all day long but poor at times. Desperate for another centre half as Elphick is poor and a centre forward who can hold the ball up. Take the three points and run.
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Good away win. Elphick. Hutton Elmo.
Kodjia can leave tomorrow with our blessing. As can Bruce, despite the win.
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Great to get the three points, Steer Whelan and Elmo had decent games.
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Jack is staying. He's not good enough for a Prem starting eleven.
Our defence is shonky.
The Elmo and Hutton goals show me that if you run at these defences they crap themselves!
Our midfield and forwards should take note.
Ducking awful referee.
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Now will anyone give Bruce some credit for that win?
Well done Bruce. Your weird red face distracted the Hull players so much they defended like us in 2015/2016.
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With Bruce still in charge I'm not expecting entertainment, I'll just be thankful if we win despite the negativity and boredom. So job done I suppose. That said Hull were fucking awful and we were, for the most part, only slightly better. The tempo is still way too slow. RHM and Green looked far better than Kodija and Adomah in a fraction of the time. A decent side will tear our defence a new one. Still you can only beat what's in front of you so fair enough.
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Jack in.
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Good win in the end but I'm not sure what it means because that Hull defence was fucking dire.
Taylor and Elphick were shit, Suliman and Clark wouldn't be a drop in quality as replacements but it appears the replacements are coming in soon anyway.
Whelan and Hourihane just aren't mobile enough to be a 2 which meant Jack was playing far deeper than he should be and wasn't having the impact we want.
That said, points on the board is the most important thing today.
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Not sure Jack contributed a lot tonight so don’t worry we can still be good without him
But compare his touch to that of Thor. The ball just sticks to him. We will miss him so much if he goes.
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Shock revelation Rushian Hepburn Murphy is a good player.
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I’d have loved to have been in the crowd for that Hutton goal.
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Good result, average performance.
They could easily have scored a couple more. Credit to Steer, thought he played well.
Great to see McCafu score, and Elphick and Elmo
Jack still our best player, not convinced by Kodjia, but early days.
The important thing is the result, 3 points, next!
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Not sure Jack contributed a lot tonight so don’t worry we can still be good without him
But compare his touch to that of Thor. The ball just sticks to him. We will miss him so much if he goes.
Absolutely, he keeps the ball, is available all the time, passes it to a team mate, controls it in tight situations and sees the simple forward pass.
How many other players on the pitch can do all of that?
God we will miss him.
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If I knew how to do screenshots I would - apparently Hutton is the top trending UK Twitter thingy at the moment.
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Got to say the Sky pichtside commentator, Liam Rosenior, is excellent.
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Got to say the Sky pichtside commentator, Liam Rosenior, is excellent.
How tight are his trousers. crushed gnoads
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If I knew how to do screenshots I would - apparently Hutton is the top trending UK Twitter thingy at the moment.
I would wager that that trend is tailored to Villa fans on Twitter but it's nice anyway.
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Another win for the Invincibles.
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And we're top 2. All we need to do now is stay there for the next 45 games. Simples.
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Our magic number is 45.
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An enjoyable win. Well done, Villa.
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Well done Villa, I'm going to wake my Villa mad grandson now and tell him the result.
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As I said in the match thread, well done Bruce. His pitch to the new guys would've been focused on the virtues of continuity and team spirit, and whatever our flaws tonight we did not lack those.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
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Not sure Jack contributed a lot tonight so don’t worry we can still be good without him
But compare his touch to that of Thor. The ball just sticks to him. We will miss him so much if he goes.
Jack was superb and clearly the best player on the pitch. If he goes he will be impossible to replace. He will grace any premier team
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New kit looks great as well.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
Coming from you that’s a huge compliment, thanks.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
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A workmanlike win against a very poor hull side
Kodjia was awful we desperately need a new striker and if as expected grealish goes a creative link. That said grealish played so deep tonight he doesn’t affect the game enough for me.
A lot of work to do but a win is a win
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In a vacuum I'd rather have Leeds' manager than ours, but out of the vacuum it's fair to say our team really looked like a team that's played together for a few years and are comfortable in themselves, which in football is a real intangible.
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Poor performance but did enough to beat a dismal Hull
3 Points and hopefully improve ...we go again
Cant the season end now??
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Rushian needs a spell in the team. He’s ready.
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Got to say the Sky pichtside commentator, Liam Rosenior, is excellent.
Haven't got Sky so cannot comment however he's been touted as a 'brainy footballer' for a while and predicted to become a good manager. He was doing his badges and coaching whilst winding down his career if I recall correctly.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
I sensed a somewhat ironic tone to that post.....
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That starting 11 is unlikely to be repeated this season so given its makeshift nature and following the uncertainty of the summer they deserve credit for the win.
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Much better 2nd half. Felt we stood 5/10 yards higher up and punished their mistakes by putting them under.
Our out ball to Kodjia was a bit aimless. We need to work on threading it wide more, but to do that you need pace and territory.
Good goals 2nd half. Couldn't believe how poor the making was for Elphicks!
Dominated I felt without threatening and then 2nd half, it felt like a proper controlled away performance. We need strengthening no doubt.
I can still taste the pyro! 2 rows in front, tastes vile.
Absolutely mental scenes when McCafu scores his wonder goal. Bloody brilliant.
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Well I'll take another 45 dull wins like that thanks. I'll also take any offer made for Kodj, sadly, he was beyond awful tonight and fear he is shot.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
Quite. I'm with Chris on this one. He's the acceptable face of Yorkshire.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
Not till we take 45000 to every away game.
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I’d have loved to have been in the crowd for that Hutton goal.
I thought Hutton was the only one who could hold his head up high in our relegation season and I rate him highly as a player and a character. I met him on the Villa team's Christmas visit to Acorns last year and he was a really nice guy. Although he had a presence about him that made me think I wouldn't fancy having a fight with him.
I fancied us to nick it by one goal tonight, but the manner of our win was better than I expected. I think Hull will finish in the lower third (reference for the Bowie fans there) of the championship but any win in this tricky and unpredictable division is a good win.
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Very positive start to a season for a change!
UTV
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Steer did well. Good competition for keeper now to keep them all on their toes.
Our defence looks shaky. Two reasons for this. tommy is a pony and Hourihane and Whelan cannot defend for shit. Whelan is slow and holds us back. I want to see more from Conor too. Hutton was great. Taylor was average and I hope we sign the Bristol City lad. Get an upgrade on Whelan before the window shuts and we have a much better midfield. Grealish, for him, I thought had a quiet game. Albert, if I was made a decent offer, I would consider letting go. Kodjia, needs time, but is a selfish twat and consistently makes the wrong decision. Elmo, a couple of moments of quality but overall, I thought he was very ordinary.
A great win, particularly first up and gives the club some real positivity. Well done Bruce for upping the tempo second half, it was much needed. Hull will struggle this season I think. Important that we don't feel too sorry for these teams and beat them regardless.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
There's never a bad time for Christmas Jameson to have a pop at... well anybody, or anything, really.
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1 down 45 to go ….
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Can't ask for anymore than this. Well done all.
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7.5 mins of roughly edited highlights https://highlightsfootball.com/video/hull-city-vs-aston-villa-highlights/
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
There's never a bad time for Christmas Jameson to have a pop at... well anybody, or anything, really.
Take it to pm and don't involve me with internet nonsense, please.
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Well I'll take another 45 dull wins like that thanks. I'll also take any offer made for Kodj, sadly, he was beyond awful tonight and fear he is shot.
Sullen. Not giving a sh1t springs to mind. Not a team player. A crap Darren Bent
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
There's never a bad time for Christmas Jameson to have a pop at... well anybody, or anything, really.
Agree
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
Charming. But I think you might have issues.
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
Got your back too.
It gets very tasty on here whenever we win.
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I thought Hutton was the only one who could hold his head up high in our relegation season and I rate him highly as a player and a character.
And Ayew, despite the West Ham red card.
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Shock revelation Rushian Hepburn Murphy is a good player.
Your grandson Andre wasn't bad either Brian. :)
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
Charming. But I think you might have issues.
When a colleague jumps in front of a grenade for you, then maybe you'd stickup for them too. He's my brother.
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Steer - carried on from last season's good cup performances. With a new Norwegian keeper coming in from the German second division, I hope Steer continues to get his chance. (I assume, as Bruce didn't like Gollini much, that the young Spanish keeper won't play in the league.)
Taylor - in 2018 he hasn't been the player he was in 2017.
Elphick - good goal but he still gives me kittens. One thing you could say about Terry last year is that he wasn't Elphick.
Chester - didn't really notice him, which is a good sign for a central defender
Hutton - great goal, great guy and looks more solid in a back three than Elphick
Whelan - will do a job for one more season. Would like to see more of Doyles-Hayes though.
Hourihane - Similar sort of 7/10 performance as last season. Apparently he ran games for Barnsley.
Grealish - by his standards a quiet game but still oozes quality.
Adomah - I wonder if peak Adomah has now passed. Good squad player though.
Kodja - this was one of his fall-over, throw-your-arms-up-in-frustration performances.
Elmohamady - great finish for his goal even if, like Hutton's goal, it was somewhat aided by that backpedaling Hull defence.
Subs
Green - added to his pre-season performances, looks ready to pick up where he left off early last season,
Hepburn-Murphy - some nice touches and movement.
Bjarnson - managed to get booked in a short space of time.
Summary:
If we can keep Grealish, then hopefully Steer can replace Johnson and Green can supply some of the goals and assists that Snodgrass gave us. So, we need to find a central defender from somewhere. (The Bristol City lad we are linked with is a left-back, I think..?)
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Not a great performance but a very good result, so job done. We urgently need a striker who isn't Kodjia, he looked moodier than Jordan Ayew after losing a fiver and finding a pound. Good to see Green and RHM get a run out although I'd have started with the former at least. Whelan is rubbish, Taylor is dreadful so we could do with at least three new players I reckon.
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
Charming. But I think you might have issues.
When a colleague jumps in front of a grenade for you, then maybe you'd stickup for them too. He's my brother.
Just did a ‘lol’. And then punched the cat, accidentally. Again.
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2nd half performance was great. Apart from Kodja who was awful
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I fell asleep at half time because I celebrated getting a new job with daytime wine in the office. I'm going to fight, and shag, you all.
Edit: I wasn't the only one drinking wine. When they leave me in charge everyone gets wine.
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What was Elphick at for their goal ? Bizarre effort at keeping it out
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Not sure Jack contributed a lot tonight so don’t worry we can still be good without him
But compare his touch to that of Thor. The ball just sticks to him. We will miss him so much if he goes.
What did you think of the cross for the 1st goal?
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I fell asleep at half time because I celebrated getting a new job with daytime wine in the office. I'm going to fight, and shag, you all.
Edit: I wasn't the only one drinking wine. When they leave me in charge everyone gets wine.
Haha. Amazing. Congratulations, mate.
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I fell asleep at half time because I celebrated getting a new job with daytime wine in the office. I'm going to fight, and shag, you all.
Edit: I wasn't the only one drinking wine. When they leave me in charge everyone gets wine.
Haha. Amazing. Congratulations, mate.
Thanks Axl.
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I thought Wheelan played well tonight, something I thought I’d never say. We’re still far too sloppy all over the place and Kodja is a pale shadow of what he was. Wasn’t impressed with the starting line up but it was okay against rubbish Hull. I want to see more of RHM and Green together as pace is what we need.
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Congrats, SE.
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Just saw Hutton’s goal. Nice.
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Just saw Hutton’s goal. Nice.
The contrast between Mad Tom, Elmo and Hutton's celebrations is worth looking out for.
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The way Elphick didn't celebrate, has made me wonder if he's joining Hull in the next few days! Elmo was showing respect to his former employers, Hutton went bat shit crazy.
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Just saw Hutton’s goal. Nice.
This quote was brought to you by Jazz Club's Louis Balfour. Nice. ;)
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Alan Hutton - dang! - after his story with Villa - this is like cinderella
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Congrats, SE.
Thanks mate.
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Good result, even if the performance wasn't great for long periods of the game. Grealish apart, the rest just looked limited and laboured. I thought Green and RHM definitely added something when they came on and would have liked to see them on earlier really. Whelan has been getting some stick on this thread, but I honestly thought he did OK in the holding role and kept the ball moving. After a shaky start, I thought Taylor did OK and kept Bowen pretty quiet (didn't realise he was the non-league striker Sam Bowen's son!!).
Just like last season and the one before, a lot of long balls to a centre forward who is either not capable or willing to challenge for them. We are going to continue to play that way under Bruce, so it's paramount we bring in a centre forward who can hold the ball up and is a real nuisance up there.
All in all though, a good win and a good start to the season. Looking back on where we were a month or so ago, plenty of reasons to feel optimistic if we do some good business in the coming weeks.
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Good win. The Scottish Pele's goal was marvellous. We looked very rusty in the first half but seemed to gain confidence once we went in front. Can't ask for a better start really.
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I don't think we played very well, the manager set us up defensively, again,
However, if it takes a few weeks for Bruce to get his shit together, potentially with more players coming in, then much rather we win matches like this than lose them in the meantime.
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RHM’s hold-up play looked good. We could look at playing Kodija off RHM.
Whelan did pretty well. Players in that position rarely get credit.
Not sure why we bothered with this Portuguese keeper if we’re bringing in a number one because Steer looked solid and didn’t put a foot wrong.
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Those substitutions would never have happened unless the owners have put pressure on Bruce to play the youngsters. When was the last time he brought on attacking young players when we were ahead away from home?
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As poor as they were Hull waltzed through our defence on four occasions any team with a bit of quality we would have been in trouble. Green looks ready to be a proper footballer now and lots of pace. Kodjia is a shadow of when he first joined us not sure what the problem is but he needs replacing. We have started with a win lets hope its a sign.
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Grealish seemed to be playing deeper than Hourihane which limited us going forwards, Hull were dog shite but im glad we took full of advantage of it. A very favourable set of fixtures to come, hopefully points on the board and some momentum picked up early on.
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2 seasons ago we started with 1 win in 12. Last season we started with 1 win in 7 and it was the difference between us and Cardiff. Great to start with a win, hopefully we can win a few games early on to set ourselves up better for the season.
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The way Elphick didn't celebrate, has made me wonder if he's joining Hull in the next few days! Elmo was showing respect to his former employers, Hutton went bat shit crazy.
I thought Elphick's lack of celebration reflected him blaming himself for their goal. He didn't want to go too mad celebrating us being level when we wouldn't have been behind in the first place if not for his misjudgement.
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The way Elphick didn't celebrate, has made me wonder if he's joining Hull in the next few days! Elmo was showing respect to his former employers, Hutton went bat shit crazy.
I thought Elphick's lack of celebration reflected him blaming himself for their goal. He didn't want to go too mad celebrating us being level when we wouldn't have been behind in the first place if not for his misjudgement.
Agreed.
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Well something ! All defender scored the 3 goals
Elmo getting a goal !
But even more Hutton !
Well played the win determined performance and had better quality
Was concerning falling behind and as pleasing to take the equaliser as quick as possible.
Also concerning the slow start and first half in parts though some good play and stepped it up second half
Great to start with a win . Hull had limitations so was a win with cavets .
There will be bigger tests to come
Up the villa !
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He got some stick from Villa fans after their goal so he was making a point by not celebrating. He is unnecessarily and undeservingly arrogant.
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Those substitutions would never have happened unless the owners have put pressure on Bruce to play the youngsters. When was the last time he brought on attacking young players when we were ahead away from home?
Green came on at 1-1 and RHM was a straight swap for a striker not playing well.
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The scottish cafu.. the Scottish Cafu.... Alan Hutton the Scottish Cafu
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Those substitutions would never have happened unless the owners have put pressure on Bruce to play the youngsters. When was the last time he brought on attacking young players when we were ahead away from home?
Green came on at 1-1 and RHM was a straight swap for a striker not playing well.
Green should have started
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7.5 mins of roughly edited highlights https://highlightsfootball.com/video/hull-city-vs-aston-villa-highlights/
Lovely chorus of The Scottish Cafu included.
Thanks for posting.
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As poor as they were Hull waltzed through our defence on four occasions any team with a bit of quality we would have been in trouble. Green looks ready to be a proper footballer now and lots of pace. Kodjia is a shadow of when he first joined us not sure what the problem is but he needs replacing. We have started with a win lets hope its a sign.
As I said, I think we need to give him a run of 5-6 games. If he can grab a goal or 2 it will do him the world of good, he's had, pretty much, 14 months of injuries and comeback games, he will be rusty and needs some patience, especially playing up front on his own. If RHM is the backup and is offering the same as tonight from the bench then I think we can afford to let him ease his way back into things.
What we do need to change though is getting Green into the team. His pace and dribbling hurts teams and drives their defence deeper, in a squad as slow as ours he's worth his weight in gold, he'd be right behind Grealish and Chester in the order of names in the team for me.
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Not much in it for the first hour and Hull practically gave us the first two goals.
Wonderful goal from McCafu and I think it was a goodbye from Jack unfortunately.
It was a shame Green didn't start but when he and RHM came on it livened things up.
Prior to that we seemed to be reverting to the often used hoof to Koj with predictable results.
Great result though and we move on, just hope we can keep Jack, counting down the hours until Thursday 5 o'clock.
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Where was the Jedi? Why was Gardner on the bench (would D-H not have been a better option)? Why was Axel not on the bench?
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The way Elphick didn't celebrate, has made me wonder if he's joining Hull in the next few days! Elmo was showing respect to his former employers, Hutton went bat shit crazy.
I thought Elphick's lack of celebration reflected him blaming himself for their goal. He didn't want to go too mad celebrating us being level when we wouldn't have been behind in the first place if not for his misjudgement.
That's what I took from it as well.
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Where was the Jedi? Why was Gardner on the bench (would D-H not have been a better option)? Why was Axel not on the bench?
Jedi was ill and Axel wasn’t registered in time.
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Where was the Jedi? Why was Gardner on the bench (would D-H not have been a better option)? Why was Axel not on the bench?
Jedi was ill and Axel wasn’t registered in time.
Cheers Paul. Currently out of the country so slightly out of touch (or so it seems).
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Pretty comfortable in the end, though they did carve us open a couple of times. I doubt we'll see much of Elphick and Taylor this season, which is a good thing. Good to see Green and RHM come on, Kodjia defintely needs a goal I think he'll be a different player when he gets one.
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7.5 mins of roughly edited highlights https://highlightsfootball.com/video/hull-city-vs-aston-villa-highlights/
Lovely chorus of The Scottish Cafu included.
Thanks for posting.
Moments like Alan Hutton’s goal and his and the fans celebration are the reason why we all follow this mad crazy team.
Brilliant scenes.
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The perfect start to the season.
Everyone understands what a slog this is. There are no undeserved points, or lucky wins, just the spoils to be stashed away after each game to be cashed in at the end of the season.
From when he was appointed I said SB should be given three seasons whatever happened in order that some sort of stability on the playing side was restored. I have stood by that, and continue to do so.
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As poor as they were Hull waltzed through our defence on four occasions any team with a bit of quality we would have been in trouble. Green looks ready to be a proper footballer now and lots of pace. Kodjia is a shadow of when he first joined us not sure what the problem is but he needs replacing. We have started with a win lets hope its a sign.
A better team would have punished us at least once, but Steer showed his capabilities and deserves keeping the jersey on this performance, although ne needs a stronger defence in front of him.
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Have a pop at Jameson and I'll break your neck.
Charming. But I think you might have issues.
I don't think Malandro has issues at all. As for Chris Jameson, he contributes to this forum in a n informed erudite manner and being a Yorkshireman calls a spade a spade. I have a lot of time for both men. ATAL, I think you're out of order.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2145767782375904&id=100008281083186
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If a target man come in I'd move Kodjia to the left for a few games but I can't shake the feeling something isn't right with him.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2145767782375904&id=100008281083186
What was it?
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
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A win is what we needed and a win is what we got, as has been said, I do not think you will see that starting 11 very often this season, thank god.
The Kodja thing needs deeper thought, Hogan comes here is crap, Kodja is going the same way, maybe just maybe it is because both are fed up of balls going over there heads, when they both pay better off the shoulder of the last defender, not being asked to be a mixture of Lochead, Withe and Macanally, which they are not. Play to their strengths and we may have options.
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I thought we played pretty well overall but will face more difficult tests obviously. I think the team will be a bit better in a months time, maybe sooner, certainly Elphick scares the shit out of me still (although fair play with his goal). You wouldn't want Whelan or Taylor starting as first choice either and although Steer did fine I think we'll get an upgrade there too which might be better in the tougher games. Hourahane will play better than that too and Kodjia will hopefully once he's fully recovered. Hutton and Elmo close run for MOTM.
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7.5 mins of roughly edited highlights https://highlightsfootball.com/video/hull-city-vs-aston-villa-highlights/
Lovely chorus of The Scottish Cafu included.
Thanks for posting.
Moments like Alan Hutton’s goal and his and the fans celebration are the reason why we all follow this mad crazy team.
Brilliant scenes.
Agreed. I was dancing round my living room for three reasons
1. Villa scored
2. Hutton scored - Really great to see and well deserved after all the pelters he has taken in the past
3. I won £50 as I'd predicted we would win 3-1
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Happy with the three points we got the win that's the important thing brilliant goal by Hutton.
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
The punch wasn’t the best but neither was it the worst, it made the edge of the area but the volley back was really well placed and Elphick made a hash of trying to get to it. Nine times out of ten you would get away with that.
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As poor as they were Hull waltzed through our defence on four occasions any team with a bit of quality we would have been in trouble. Green looks ready to be a proper footballer now and lots of pace. Kodjia is a shadow of when he first joined us not sure what the problem is but he needs replacing. We have started with a win lets hope its a sign.
As I said, I think we need to give him a run of 5-6 games. If he can grab a goal or 2 it will do him the world of good, he's had, pretty much, 14 months of injuries and comeback games, he will be rusty and needs some patience, especially playing up front on his own. If RHM is the backup and is offering the same as tonight from the bench then I think we can afford to let him ease his way back into things.
What we do need to change though is getting Green into the team. His pace and dribbling hurts teams and drives their defence deeper, in a squad as slow as ours he's worth his weight in gold, he'd be right behind Grealish and Chester in the order of names in the team for me.
He was cack. He looked like he couldn't be arsed, he fell over a lot and moaned a bit too. 5 or 6 more games of that and the fans will really turn. There were plenty around me who were fucked off with him too. He needs to sort his attitude out or fuck off to Leeds if it's true they want him.
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I thought it was the most dull game ( typical Bruce set up ) and we were clueless until the houriane freekick , not sure what time that was . Then the introduction of Green gave us a little lift and a defensive howler gave us the lead and after that there was only going to be one winner , even wit Ephicks cock up at 3 1 .
No one is buying Kodja so dont worry about him going , he looked rubbish with RHM offerring so much more in his cameo and was suprised Green did not start.
Hull were absolute garbage even thou as people have said they did cut through us at times , we need Axel in that back four. Taylor needs to go , lets hope this bisto guy turns .
We have Jedi and RDL to come in too , I would have started with BB too but first game and 3 pts so Im happy with those .
Loved Huttons goal , proper Ricky Villa and the two mature women at the front of the crowd going mad and trying to grab him brought a small tear to the eye. Magnificent .
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
There's never a bad time for Christmas Jameson to have a pop at... well anybody, or anything, really.
Agree
Everyone who lives near Leeds has every right to bring them up at every turn and have a good old pop. Having had the misfortune myself for too many years, it's exactly the thing to do.
As for being dull, where's the pots and kettles?
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
The punch wasn’t the best but neither was it the worst, it made the edge of the area but the volley back was really well placed and Elphick made a hash of trying to get to it. Nine times out of ten you would get away with that.
I don't blame Steer for the goal at all. He punched it all the way outside the area, there were a sea of Villa players in the box. It was Tommy's fault, and I feel he felt the same, hence his lack of celebration for the equaliser.
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Kod looks like a poor man's Jermaine Beckford
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Kod looks like a poor man's Jermaine Beckford
Don't say his name twice more. You'll make SilhillVilla reappear...
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2145767782375904&id=100008281083186
Can’t see it. Any good?
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It is good but my foray into it was repeatedly blocked by adverts. Worth persevering Perce. Persevering Percy. Good name for a horse.
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No one is buying Kodja so dont worry about him going , he looked rubbish with RHM offerring so much more in his cameo and was suprised Green did not start.
I just wonder whether it is felt those two make more of an impact coming on in the latter stages at the moment JP. Thought was definitely the case with Green last season as his pace caused real problems against tiring defenders.
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
The punch wasn’t the best but neither was it the worst, it made the edge of the area but the volley back was really well placed and Elphick made a hash of trying to get to it. Nine times out of ten you would get away with that.
Disagree.
1. It was a slow-paced* looping cross at easily keeper height. He should have come out and caught it but he hesitates so by the time he does get there he has no option but to punch it.
2. Punching the ball has its place especially if a fast paced ball is whipped in at an awkward angle. If you punch one of them the chances are its going to fly in the opposite direction at pace with an opposition player unlikely to be able to punt it gently back in. *If its a slow looping cross on the other hand....
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It is good but my foray into it was repeatedly blocked by adverts. Worth persevering Perce. Persevering Percy. Good name for a horse.
I don’t see anything at all, it’s about 50/50 for me with fb links. I’ve got an account but I don’t know the password as I never go on it.
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Unsurprisingly reminiscent of last season, on occasion looking terrible, on occasion looking really but most of the time looking average. I have always rated Elmo and think he was underated in his contribution last season, and Hutton got what he deserved after years of trying. Otherwise I'm deeply concerned about Elphick and Kodja. The former looks as lost as ever defending and cannot be considered much further if we want to mount a promotion charge. The latter just looks miles from the player he once was. Even while waiting to kick off he appeared to be staring into space, his mind anywhere but on the game. Our style doesn't help I'll give him that but he still looks out of it. It's a good start but plenty to do.
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Elphick and Chester looked very rusty. Hopefully they'll improve as a partnership, but a better quality team could have had 3-4 goals.
Kodjia looked awful. But we know he has enough quality to make it worth persisting with for a bit longer I think.
Taylor did better than I expected, but I'd like to see Hutton or a new guy on the left and De Laet on the right.
Green has to be trusted to start sooner rather than later and Rushian looks like he could be influential for us.
It was a pretty dour performance, but good to get the ball rolling and start with a win.
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Some players never recover from injuries,, Kodjia looks fucked.
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It would not surprise me to see us return to the pre season line up of 3 at the back when Tuanzebe is up to speed and then Elphick will be back on the bench.
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
The punch wasn’t the best but neither was it the worst, it made the edge of the area but the volley back was really well placed and Elphick made a hash of trying to get to it. Nine times out of ten you would get away with that.
I missed the first ten minutes but from what I read on here, their goal sounded like a howler but it wasn't really. It was just a well taken shot which should have been dealt with better.
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Very slow paced game and some of our passing was laboured.
Taylor - nothing wrong but offers nothing going forward - hope the Bristol kid can put some juice into the LB position
Adomah - 80% of the time flatters to deceive and his final ball is usually left wanting - maybe try Kodia there if we get another striker in
Kodjia - far too isolated at times as Grealish was too far away from him as he kept coming deep for the ball. Really annoyed by some of his antics for fouls etc at times
Elphick - caught in 2 minds with their goal. Well take goal for us though. Must admit heart goes in my mouth each time he has possession of the ball as I expect a rick at any time.
Hourihane - Mr Anonymous again - if he does not score you forget he is on the pitch
Whelan - did the ugly stuff comfortably but plays so deep due to his lack of mobility we are left wanting when trying to break out.
Hutton - deserved goal for his graft
Elmo - took goal well and linked well with Cafu
Grealish - Does his best work in the final 3rd but spent too much time coming into the first 3rd to get the ball - maybe he wanted to be noticed more than usual?
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anyone commented on how ropey Chester was yet ?
Looked very shakey to me. Presumably down to being switched sides again. Not something I'm a big fan of doing. He's clearly better on his natural side
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anyone commented on how ropey Chester was yet ?
Looked very shakey to me. Presumably down to being switched sides again. Not something I'm a big fan of doing. He's clearly better on his natural side
This with bells on I hope to God he's moved back soon
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anyone commented on how ropey Chester was yet ?
Looked very shakey to me. Presumably down to being switched sides again. Not something I'm a big fan of doing. He's clearly better on his natural side
agreed
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We’re still a long way behind Leeds because of passion or something.
You're getting predictably dull now.
There's never a bad time to have a pop at dirty leeds.
There's never a bad time for Christmas Jameson to have a pop at... well anybody, or anything, really.
Take it to pm and don't involve me with internet nonsense, please.
I think ATAL might have been referring to the most pleasant Irish whiskey. But then I am a bog man from Garrison, Fermanagh.
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Some players never recover from injuries,, Kodjia looks fucked.
Bent and JPA to mention two. Ankle injuries for those two aswell. We ended up letting both go on free transfers in the end.
I'd be in favour of letting him go if the price was right.
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It would not surprise me to see us return to the pre season line up of 3 at the back when Tuanzebe is up to speed and then Elphick will be back on the bench.
You want to drop our joint top scorer?
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anyone commented on how ropey Chester was yet ?
Looked very shakey to me. Presumably down to being switched sides again. Not something I'm a big fan of doing. He's clearly better on his natural side
He’s gone from playing next to John Terry to having to worry about Elphick again, as well as switching sides. I’d get Tuanzebe in next to him instead of Elphick.
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I'm probably going to get some stick for this, but I just don't see what others see in Bjarnasson.
If we get offers for him, Bunn, Gardner, Albert and Kodjia I think we ought to seriously consider them.
Add to that list the one's who have failed to be given a squad number such as Tish, McCormack, Richards etc.
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We were okay. scoreline flattered us somewhat. Elphick was dodgy i agree but the goal was all steer's fault with a completely duff punch. You can only beat what's in front of you so fair play because the 1st game of the season away is not an easy fixture. Sterner tests ahead i think
The punch wasn’t the best but neither was it the worst, it made the edge of the area but the volley back was really well placed and Elphick made a hash of trying to get to it. Nine times out of ten you would get away with that.
I missed the first ten minutes but from what I read on here, their goal sounded like a howler but it wasn't really. It was just a well taken shot which should have been dealt with better.
It was a rubbish goal to concede, but there was more than an element of luck about it. Their player's effort was hardly convincing, but it went in the only area of the goal where noone was situated. I don't know if Elphick thought it was going wide or was wary about colliding with the post, but I thought he could probably have done more. I think the criticism of Steer is a bit harsh as he got a decent punch on it and their player had to hook it from behind him.
One thing I did pick up on from last night was that without Terry and Jedinak, we haven't got as much of a physical presence when defending set pieces. When you factor in Taylor was playing as well, it was not the biggest back four.
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What was Elphick at for their goal ? Bizarre effort at keeping it out
Yeah I've been reading through waiting for someone to comment on that. A simple headed clearance. Good result in the end. Keep em coming Steve
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I noticed after Elphick scored that Bruce made a heading motion and looked up the other end with Calderwood as if to say "why didn't he do that earlier?".
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He got some stick from Villa fans after their goal so he was making a point by not celebrating. He is unnecessarily and undeservingly arrogant.
If your right that's pathetic and we need to get shot of him quickly.
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I didn't think he was being arrogant, possibly realised he should have done better on their goal and didn't feel right celebrating correcting his mistake.
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He got some stick from Villa fans after their goal so he was making a point by not celebrating. He is unnecessarily and undeservingly arrogant.
If your right that's pathetic and we need to get shot of him quickly.
Jesus wept
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I for one like players who score goals for us and don't really give a flying fuck what they do afterwards.
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anyone commented on how ropey Chester was yet ?
Looked very shakey to me. Presumably down to being switched sides again. Not something I'm a big fan of doing. He's clearly better on his natural side
Chester always seemed decent with both feet to me but better centre halves have struggled swapping sides. John Terrys car crash efforts next to Matt Upson in the 2010 world cup come to mind
I don't think Elphick will be with us next week, solid pro but likely to be a backup option for us again this season. It's a left sided centre back we need ideally. Tuanzebe is hardly that and I really hope Bruce isn't going to attempt 352 again.
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Can Tuanzebe play on the left ?
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I didn't think he was being arrogant, possibly realised he should have done better on their goal and didn't feel right celebrating correcting his mistake.
I'd say that's almost certainly it. Defenders don't like making mistakes that lead directly to goals, as that's what they get judged on. Scoring goals is nice but he definitely would have been a bit fed up with his part in their goal.
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Why would he play 352 now... he's only played it all pre-season, with a bunch of players that won't be in the team next week...
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Can Tuanzebe play on the left ?
He's right sided isn't he? He might be able to, but at his age he's unlikely to have had the experience there that you need I'd have thought.
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I didn't think he was being arrogant, possibly realised he should have done better on their goal and didn't feel right celebrating correcting his mistake.
That’s exactly what I thought too.
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Elphick didn't get any stick from the away following.
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Yeah, sounds like conspiracy theorist nonsense to me. Not sure where it came from.
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Why would he play 352 now... he's only played it all pre-season, with a bunch of players that won't be in the team next week...
Apparently he feels they're not ready for it yet. In which case, fair enough for me. Work on it more when the internationals come around and we've got the complete squad for the first half of the season.
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He got some stick from Villa fans after their goal so he was making a point by not celebrating. He is unnecessarily and undeservingly arrogant.
I didnt hear him get stick and I disagree with this assessment of his motivation. He knew he was at fault for their goal is all
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He got some stick from Villa fans after their goal so he was making a point by not celebrating. He is unnecessarily and undeservingly arrogant.
I didnt hear him get stick and I disagree with this assessment of his motivation. He knew he was at fault for their goal is all
Great username ;)
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And Olaftab, obv
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I know, better the other way round but I leave jokes to the Master, Jon Crofts.
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No mention of Jedinak being injured last night?
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No mention of Jedinak being injured last night?
He was ill apparently.
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Ah right. Cheers Mr Shin.
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Shocking team selection from Bruce.
Three top players from pre-season: Green, De Laet and Doyle-Hayes.
One of them on the bench, the other two not even in the squad!
Why do the players bother?
Still, Hull were poor, so we got away with it.
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I believe DeLaet is suspended for 2 matches; the other two, I thought injured.
I like RDL - and Green and DH!