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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: simon ward 50 on June 05, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
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Details here:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/06/05/first-2018-19-pre-season-friendlies-announced
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There's a good pie and a few pubs in there.
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I remember going over to see Villa v Inter at VP for pre-season, some 11 years ago now was it? What a long way away that seems, in tangible terms as much as the sense of time passing.
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Dresden is stunningly beautiful. After the bombing in 1945 the centre was just a heap of rubble and the rebuilding didn't begin in earnest until after German unification in 1990. The Coventry Cross of Nails is a poignant symbol of the city's rebirth.
Dresden airport is very small. There are flights from Stansted to Leipzig/Halle, which is 1½ hours away on the fastest train. The fastest train from Berlin does the journey in under 2 hours and from Prague just over 2.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/f9qDXo/dresden.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9qDXo)
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Just looking at flights to Germany for this, i see there are 3 airports around Berlin, Tegel, Templehoff and Schoenefeld.
Flybe fly from Brum to Tegel just really wanna know which is the easiest for rail journey on to Dresden....If Tegel Ok ill stick with
FlyBe from brum.
Ryanair from Manchester cheaper but that flies to Schoenefeld
Any advice please
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Neither Schönefeld nor Tegel has good rail links.
From Tegel there's a regular bus service to Berlin Central Station (Hauptbahnhof). That takes 20 minutes and then it's about 1 hour 50 direct to Dresden on the fastest train. That direct connection is every 2 hours. On other trains the journey involves several changes.
From Schönefeld you'd take a slow local train (the S-Bahn) to Berlin Südkreuz. That leg is about 30 minutes and then it's 1 hour 40 on the fastest train direct to Dresden.
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One of my favourite bands are playing in Dusseldorf two days before we're in Dresden
Anyone tell me how hard/easy that is to cover distance wise ?
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One of my favourite bands are playing in Dusseldorf two days before we're in Dresden
Anyone tell me how hard/easy that is to cover distance wise ?
Not easy. Over 6 hours by train and expensive
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Maybe we can ask Walsall to switch the game to VP to help us out.
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17th and then the 28th. I presume they will be away for a week in-between for a training camp with games involved.
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Why can't we have a prestige friendly at home for a change? One of the big clubs, like Watford or Huddersfield...or Fulham.
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We will play Watford again in the Graham Taylor cup won't we? Or was that a one-off?
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We having a whip round to get the team to Dresden?
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We having a whip round to get the team to Dresden?
Dresden. A once proud city reduced to ruins as a result of over ambitious hubris. How apt.
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We will play Watford again in the Graham Taylor cup won't we? Or was that a one-off?
One off I imagine given how low the crowd was (mind you wasn't it supposed to be played at Watford and got changed late on).
We start the season (bills permitting) a week after Dresden so won't be able to fit it in unless we play it midweek but that would likely be a lower crowd than last year.
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We will play Watford again in the Graham Taylor cup won't we? Or was that a one-off?
They played Real Sociedad at Vicarage Road for the Graham Taylor Memorial Cup.
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I'll be hanging onto my twelve quid for the Walsall match for a while yet. I might not be able to claim it back from the receiver.
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One of my favourite bands are playing in Dusseldorf two days before we're in Dresden
Anyone tell me how hard/easy that is to cover distance wise ?
Not easy. Over 6 hours by train and expensive
Think about the poor players, they'll have to fucking walk there.
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One of my favourite bands are playing in Dusseldorf two days before we're in Dresden
Anyone tell me how hard/easy that is to cover distance wise ?
Not easy. Over 6 hours by train and expensive
Ouch. Fuck that then!
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Dresden's fans have a bit of a reputation.
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Dresden's fans have a bit of a reputation.
Yes they do. A few of the German Villans have mentioned this.
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Burton Albion has been added on the 21st July.
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Dresden flights quite expensive so will probably give it a swerve.
Burton away frills me with excitement - the sort of fixture Blues are normally referred with.
Kidderminster away it is then.
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I await the announcement of the Nou Camp game arranged as part of Jack's £50m move to Barca
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To me it looks too much like a repeat of last years pre season fixtures - and look how poorly we started in August
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Two more friendlies announced today.
Rapid Decline and Inter Administration.
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Two more friendlies announced today.
Rapid Decline and Inter Administration.
and another one in Holland ...Fortuna Shitted
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Dresden is stunningly beautiful. After the bombing in 1945 the centre was just a heap of rubble and the rebuilding didn't begin in earnest until after German unification in 1990. The Coventry Cross of Nails is a poignant symbol of the city's rebirth.
Dresden airport is very small. There are flights from Stansted to Leipzig/Halle, which is 1½ hours away on the fastest train. The fastest train from Berlin does the journey in under 2 hours and from Prague just over 2.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/f9qDXo/dresden.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9qDXo)
I agree, Dresden is a shining example of how a city can rebuild itself after being razed to the ground. It has a truly interesting history other than its wartime experience as well as being the capital of Saxony. A river trip on the Elbe is a pleasant way to pass a couple of hours and yes, the Cross of Nails is a very interesting story. A trip to the top of the Church in the city centre gives a splendid view of the city and its surrounds.
We were there in 2010, flew into Berlin Shoenefeld and then rail to Dresden, just over two hours. Taxi prices were average not too expensive. Meissen isn't too far away either.
I'm sorry but I can't remember the author but I read a very good book about Dresden and what it went through over those two nights in February 1944. Harrowing stuff indeed.
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A kickabout against West Ham at the Banks Stadium has now been added.
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I'm sorry but I can't remember the author but I read a very good book about Dresden and what it went through over those two nights in February 1944. Harrowing stuff indeed.
Frederick Taylor. His book on the Berlin Wall is excellent too.
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I'm sorry but I can't remember the author but I read a very good book about Dresden and what it went through over those two nights in February 1944. Harrowing stuff indeed.
Frederick Taylor. His book on the Berlin Wall is excellent too.
That's the one and, believe it or not, I've read the Berlin Wall book too, just couldn't remember the author.
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I would've liked to have played West Ham at there ground the London Stadium it's a ground I have never been to so would have been nice to chalk it off as one i could see Villa play at.
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Just looking at flights to Germany for this, i see there are 3 airports around Berlin, Tegel, Templehoff and Schoenefeld.
Flybe fly from Brum to Tegel just really wanna know which is the easiest for rail journey on to Dresden....If Tegel Ok ill stick with
FlyBe from brum.
Ryanair from Manchester cheaper but that flies to Schoenefeld
Any advice please
Templehoff is no longer a functioning airport - park and museum I believe.
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Apologies if already covered but I’m thinking of taking my 7 year old to the friendly in Germany. As I haven’t travelled abroad with Villa since Utrecht a few years back, can anyone confirm how easy it’s likely to be to get tickets for this?
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Apologies if already covered but I’m thinking of taking my 7 year old to the friendly in Germany. As I haven’t travelled abroad with Villa since Utrecht a few years back, can anyone confirm how easy it’s likely to be to get tickets for this?
It was very easy for last summer's friendly in Duisburg. And with the cost of travel all the way down to Saxony I hardly think we'll sell all our allocation
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I'm sorry but I can't remember the author but I read a very good book about Dresden and what it went through over those two nights in February 1944. Harrowing stuff indeed.
Frederick Taylor. His book on the Berlin Wall is excellent too.
Do I recall reading that around 50k people died in Dresden over a few night during the raids?
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Wiki
The bombing of Dresden was a British/American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed, although larger casualty figures have been claimed.
Large variations in the claimed death toll have fuelled the controversy. In March 1945, the German government ordered its press to publish a falsified casualty figure of 200,000 for the Dresden raids, and death toll estimates as high as 500,000 have been given.[15][16][17] The city authorities at the time estimated up to 25,000 victims, a figure that subsequent investigations supported, including a 2010 study commissioned by the city council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
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The exact figure will never be known because thousands of bodies were burnt to a cinder in the intense heat. 25,000 dead is a conservative estimate.
I'll be there tomorrow with a British group. I always try to give a balanced account of the bombing. My parents, who had relatives in Coventry when it was bombed in 1940, said that the destruction of Dresden was seen at the time as a deserved retaliation. There is no doubt that Dresden, with its industry and rail links, was a legitimate target. Whether the intensity of the bombing was justified is another question.
The message of the rebuilt city is forgiveness and reconciliation, symbolised by the Coventry Cross of Nails.
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Well I've booked a hotel and know my travel arrangements, just need ticket info now.
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I see that Wolves are at home on the first day of the PL. As the EFL starts a week earlier and we are nearly always at home, when Wolves are, it looks like our first fixture will be away.
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Well I've booked a hotel and know my travel arrangements, just need ticket info now.
Which hotel MB?
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I see that Wolves are at home on the first day of the PL. As the EFL starts a week earlier and we are nearly always at home, when Wolves are, it looks like our first fixture will be away.
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Well I've booked a hotel and know my travel arrangements, just need ticket info now.
Which hotel MB?
The Westin Hotel, Dresden
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Hell’s bells. I move 400 miles north to Aberdeen and I’m still not safe, the blinkin Albion have announced a friendly at Pittodrie next month. I’m booking a simultaneous weekend in the Gorbals, the prospect of blue & white striped shirted wasters walking up Union St is too much to take.
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When would you expect the ticket information to become available (in particular for the Dresden game)? I keep checking the OS every day but nothing yet.
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Hell’s bells. I move 400 miles north to Aberdeen and I’m still not safe, the blinkin Albion have announced a friendly at Pittodrie next month. I’m booking a simultaneous weekend in the Gorbals, the prospect of blue & white striped shirted wasters walking up Union St is too much to take.
I doubt that the dozen or so Albion fans who turn up will be much of a problem.
Have just looked at our fixtures. Not one new ground for those that can't afford to go abroad, and two matches played at the same time.
Utter shite, fucking boo.
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When would you expect the ticket information to become available (in particular for the Dresden game)? I keep checking the OS every day but nothing yet.
There's nothing specific about tickets on Dynamo's website either. It just says that details will be released in good time.
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Tickets for our friendly clash against Dynamo Dresden go on sale next week.
The game takes place at Stadion Dresden on Saturday 28th July, with a 2pm kick-off.
Tickets are available to buy next Tuesday from 9am.
We have an allocation of 1,800 and they are priced at €9.90 (adults), €7.70 (students), €4.40 (U16s) while U6s are free-of-charge.
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Dresden tickets booked this morning, happy days.
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Dresden - anyone travelling by car and have one spare space?
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I quite fancied the Dresden trip as I haven't been there before. We are on holiday though. I don't fancy any of the others though.
I admire the commitment of those who want to get back in the saddle ASAP but I can't muster up any Villa watching enthusiasm at the minute.
I have said it many times before but I do feel this will be my last season of going regularly.
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Walsall and West Ham booked. Let's ave it
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We're playing West Ham? That at Villa Park?
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We're playing West Ham? That at Villa Park?
I think it's being played at Walsall, mate. I'm not sure to be honest.
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Thanks. That's strange. Are we still playing Walsall or is this instead of that game?
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Dresden tickets booked this morning, happy days.
Got mine too. Never been to Dresden so I’m really looking forward to it. No direct flights though, so have to change at Munich.
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We play Walsall at Walsall on 17th; use Bescott to play West Ham on 25th, we are the home team so will have 3 sides of the ground. The Villa Park pitch is being re-laid.
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I've just booked my flight to Germany (Berlin) for the Dresden game. I delayed for a long time on account of all the uncertainty surrounding the club but I'm now going ahead. Sadly, I don't think many of the German Lions will be there. It's a long train journey from where most of them live and Dresden is nearly on the Czech border. But a few are coming.
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Anyone doing Kiddy on Saturday?
I'm sort of tempted if only so I can do the decent pubs round by the station.
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I am still not feeling the love for any Villa watching at the minute.
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I'd go if they could be arsed to play anywhere that they don't play all the time. But they're not arsed so I don't see why I should be.
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I think it's nice to help out a local club by adding a few quid to their coffers. So many thanks to Telford, Walsall and the inbreds at Kiddy for playing us.
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Not sure how we can play 2 fixtures simultaneously with only 2 strikers available ? Unless McCormack is going to turn up at one of them.
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I think it's nice to help out a local club by adding a few quid to their coffers. So many thanks to Telford, Walsall and the inbreds at Kiddy for playing us.
I don't disagree, but don't think it needs to be the same grounds every year. There are plenty of non-League clubs round here we could play.
Or maybe play a club at the seaside, seeing as how we never get to play one in the League (and when we do it's at a ground with a tiny allocation or shifted to a sodding night game after I've used up all my leave).
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I think it's nice to help out a local club by adding a few quid to their coffers. So many thanks to Telford, Walsall and the inbreds at Kiddy for playing us.
I don't disagree, but don't think it needs to be the same grounds every year. There are plenty of non-League clubs round here we could play.
Or maybe play a club at the seaside, seeing as how we never get to play one in the League (and when we do it's at a ground with a tiny allocation or shifted to a sodding night game after I've used up all my leave).
One of the big problems is the massive gap in standards in local football. Walsall are the only League One club (I'm guessing Coventry would think playing us to be more trouble than it's worth with regards to police costs). After them there's nobody new at a decent standard except Solihull, which is a horrible ground, and Tamworth, where we sometimes send a team.
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I'm in Dresden with clients and will be back with Villa in a fortnight. Dresden, brilliantly rebuilt after the bombing, is an example to Villa of how an institution can be reborn after devastation.
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One of the big problems is the massive gap in standards in local football. Walsall are the only League One club (I'm guessing Coventry would think playing us to be more trouble than it's worth with regards to police costs). After them there's nobody new at a decent standard except Solihull, which is a horrible ground, and Tamworth, where we sometimes send a team.
Do the games have to be quite so local ? How about Northampton or 'Nam. Only around an hour from Brum
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Kiddy is £12 and Telford is £8 this saturday, both pay on the day.
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One of the big problems is the massive gap in standards in local football. Walsall are the only League One club (I'm guessing Coventry would think playing us to be more trouble than it's worth with regards to police costs). After them there's nobody new at a decent standard except Solihull, which is a horrible ground, and Tamworth, where we sometimes send a team.
Do the games have to be quite so local ? How about Northampton or 'Nam. Only around an hour from Brum
Or Notts County, Vale, Oxford even. Plenty of grounds not too far that we don't play at all the time.
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Kiddy or Telford?
Both more or less equidistant in terms travel time for me. Anyone got any thoughts?
Presume we can pay in at both on the gate. Any past history on which is the nearest to a "first team game" or is it just pot luck?
At the moment Kiddy is shading it because I'll be able to fit in a pint of Bathams at the Swan In Chaddesley Corbett on the way.
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One of the big problems is the massive gap in standards in local football. Walsall are the only League One club (I'm guessing Coventry would think playing us to be more trouble than it's worth with regards to police costs). After them there's nobody new at a decent standard except Solihull, which is a horrible ground, and Tamworth, where we sometimes send a team.
Do the games have to be quite so local ? How about Northampton or 'Nam. Only around an hour from Brum
Or Notts County, Vale, Oxford even. Plenty of grounds not too far that we don't play at all the time.
In fairness we did play at Shrewsbury last year but yes, otherwise I do agree.
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Kiddy or Telford?
Both more or less equidistant in terms travel time for me. Anyone got any thoughts?
Presume we can pay in at both on the gate. Any past history on which is the nearest to a "first team game" or is it just pot luck?
At the moment Kiddy is shading it because I'll be able to fit in a pint of Bathams at the Swan In Chaddesley Corbett on the way.
Good choice.....Swan i'm referring to!!!
Enjoy
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One of the big problems is the massive gap in standards in local football. Walsall are the only League One club (I'm guessing Coventry would think playing us to be more trouble than it's worth with regards to police costs). After them there's nobody new at a decent standard except Solihull, which is a horrible ground, and Tamworth, where we sometimes send a team.
Do the games have to be quite so local ? How about Northampton or 'Nam. Only around an hour from Brum
Or Notts County, Vale, Oxford even. Plenty of grounds not too far that we don't play at all the time.
In fairness we did play at Shrewsbury last year
Indeed. And an excellent day out was had by all. Apart from the result, but I never really care about those in friendlies.
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Kiddy or Telford?
Both more or less equidistant in terms travel time for me. Anyone got any thoughts?
Presume we can pay in at both on the gate. Any past history on which is the nearest to a "first team game" or is it just pot luck?
At the moment Kiddy is shading it because I'll be able to fit in a pint of Bathams at the Swan In Chaddesley Corbett on the way.
Kiddy has much the better pubs within strolling distance of the train station and the ground, and it has food on a totally different level to almost any club in the country.
Plus it's a nicer ground than the plastic thing that Telford replaced their lovely old ground with. Kiddy might be moving soon as well, to a plastic thing out in the country somewhere.
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Kiddy or Telford?
Both more or less equidistant in terms travel time for me. Anyone got any thoughts?
Presume we can pay in at both on the gate. Any past history on which is the nearest to a "first team game" or is it just pot luck?
At the moment Kiddy is shading it because I'll be able to fit in a pint of Bathams at the Swan In Chaddesley Corbett on the way.
Kiddy has much the better pubs within strolling distance of the train station and the ground, and it has food on a totally different level to almost any club in the country.
Plus it's a nicer ground than the plastic thing that Telford replaced their lovely old ground with. Kiddy might be moving soon as well, to a plastic thing out in the country somewhere.
You're selling it quite well to be honest. Might make the effort.
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Plus I've got permission from SWMBO who likes The Elephant and Castle because she can watch steam trains while supping her wine.
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Sat at Crewe station waiting on usual suspects- not knowing which venue I am attending - I fancy kiddy
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They're both live on YouTube if anyone's arsed. Might have already been mentioned. I'll see what Villa team I fancy watching...
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No Hogan or Mccormack in either of the two teams
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No Hogan or Mccormack in either of the two teams
Hogan's injured and Ross is an arsehole.
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We have a Clark and a Clarke on our books? I can't imagine this will cause any confusion.
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Our team to face @telfordutd at New Bucks Head this afternoon...
Steer, Bree, Chester, Bedeau, Clark, De Laet, Whelan, Hourihane, Green, Davis, Kodjia.
SUBS: Sarkic, Revan, C Taylor, Ige, Birch, Pastorek, Mooney, Tait, Guy, Sea.
And our line-up at @khfcofficial....
Bunn, N Taylor, Elphick, Suliman, Hutton, Gardner, Lansbury, Clarke, Adomah, Grealish, Knibbs.
Subs: Ramsey, Odutayo, Pressley, Patterson, Sinisalo, McConnachie, Cox, Walker, Vassilev, Brunt, Prosser.
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Our team to face @telfordutd at New Bucks Head this afternoon...
Steer, Bree, Chester, Bedeau, Clark, De Laet, Whelan, Hourihane, Green, Davis, Kodjia.
SUBS: Sarkic, Revan, C Taylor, Ige, Birch, Pastorek, Mooney, Tait, Guy, Sea.
And our line-up at @khfcofficial....
Bunn, N Taylor, Elphick, Suliman, Hutton, Gardner, Lansbury, Clarke, Adomah, Grealish, Knibbs.
Subs: Ramsey, Odutayo, Pressley, Patterson, Sinisalo, McConnachie, Cox, Walker, Vassilev, Brunt, Prosser.
see the match thread
*winky*
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Did the commentary really just describe Stoke away as an example of a "trip to look forward to"?
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Oh FFS I'm in the wrong thread again...
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Did the commentary really just describe Stoke away as an example of a "trip to look forward to"?
You certainly did, mate. I was muttering under my breath to myself, seconds after he said it.
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Did the commentary really just describe Stoke away as an example of a "trip to look forward to"?
Only 40 miles away, so yeah. Plenty of pubs. Grounds tin pot though and Rowett will have Pulis Redux going on.
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For those coming to Dresden on Saturday:
the match ticket includes free public transport in the Dresden area for 4 hours before and 6 hours after the game;
Dynamo are organising a big pre-season party around the game, with entertainments, live music etc from 10.00am.