Jack Marriott?
Not really fussed who ends up going. When it came to the crunch to produce on the big stage they failed.
Jack Marriott?
Striker for Peterbrough. Scored 20 + goals in league one. We've been scouting him and the Posh owner says we want him on his twitter account.
GK: ?, Steer, Sarkic
FB: Elmohamady, ?, Hutton, Bree,
CB: Chester, ?, ?, ?, ?
CM: Hourinhane, Jedinak, ?, ?
AM: Adomah, ?, Grealish, Green, O'Hare
CF: Kodija (unless someone offers silly money), RHM, Davis, ?
Sell/Scrap (assuming we can find takers of course): Bunn, Gollini, De Laet, Taylor, Samba, Elphick, Terry, Richards, Lansbury, Whelan, Bjarnason, Gardner, Gil, McCormack, Hogan, Gabby
Musts for next year:
1) The board need to make their mind up sharpish and either back Bruce for another season or say goodbye
2) Whoever is manager needs to give RHM, O'Hare, Green chance to prove whether they are up to it or not
3) Whether Terry stays or not we need to find decent back-up centre halves who aren't at the end of their careers
Likes of Jedinak and AEM stil have time left on their deal, Whelan aswell so we'll still have experience although doubt any of them will manage 40 + games.
At start of the season Andre Green and Kienan Davis were in good form although both have fallen off the cliff since the new year seemingly.
Hourihane is that classic o.k at championship level but nowhere near good enough for prem so he'll be staying. I think Adomah falls into that camp aswell.
No one will sign Kodjia with his injuries lately so he needs to get fit and he's shown he can score goals.
I'm not quite as doom laden as many. Yes we'll have to rebuild our defence but rest of side looks stable to me.
We've now joined vast majority of clubs in championship who have to rely on free transfers and loans to fund promotion pushes. Remind me again how much Fulham spent on their first 11 today, I bet it was less than 20m. And they got in Mitrovic mid season to give them that cutting edge.
It can be done as all the teams who get promoted on minimal budgets show. It's unsustainable for us to keep spending 20m + so now SB/new manager and especially Steve Round will have to earn their wages.
Likes of Jedinak and AEM stil have time left on their deal, Whelan aswell so we'll still have experience although doubt any of them will manage 40 + games.
At start of the season Andre Green and Kienan Davis were in good form although both have fallen off the cliff since the new year seemingly.
Hourihane is that classic o.k at championship level but nowhere near good enough for prem so he'll be staying. I think Adomah falls into that camp aswell.
No one will sign Kodjia with his injuries lately so he needs to get fit and he's shown he can score goals.
I'm not quite as doom laden as many. Yes we'll have to rebuild our defence but rest of side looks stable to me.
We've now joined vast majority of clubs in championship who have to rely on free transfers and loans to fund promotion pushes. Remind me again how much Fulham spent on their first 11 today, I bet it was less than 20m. And they got in Mitrovic mid season to give them that cutting edge.
It can be done as all the teams who get promoted on minimal budgets show. It's unsustainable for us to keep spending 20m + so now SB/new manager and especially Steve Round will have to earn their wages.
Fulham's starting eleven cost £11m I believe.
Hutton is gone. Taylor will still be here.....
Whelan's got another year hasn't he? I know he's taken plenty of stick but thought he was o.k in the run in when he played. Lansbury aswell is still here. Bjarni will probably move on.
Of course these players on their own aren't match winners or will get us promoted but they are experienced heads so won't completely lose that factor.
sadly Kodjia looks a busted flush and Hogan was never going to thrive here. All the loan players failed so its goodbye to them. A step too fat for captain John so a warm fare the well to him too. Starting immediately cherrypick/fast-track the best of the yoof, scour the globe for some good Bosmans, work the loan market like crazy and above all, get in someone who can make that work as a cohesive whole. Simple.
Surely that was up to the Dr and his team to plan. Instead they spunked money on any old shit with no plan. Much the same as we did under Lerner. Call it The Villa WayNot really fussed who ends up going. When it came to the crunch to produce on the big stage they failed.
So, with that said and the possibility of JT, Johnstone, Chester, Snodgrass, Onomah, Jack, Kodjia etc. leaving in the off season.. do you think we'll be able to compete at a top 6 level next year?
It could take us years to build a squad and challenge again. Quite frankly, I'm a little uneasy about the next few years.
Hutton is gone. Taylor will still be here.....
Whelan's got another year hasn't he? I know he's taken plenty of stick but thought he was o.k in the run in when he played. Lansbury aswell is still here. Bjarni will probably move on.
Of course these players on their own aren't match winners or will get us promoted but they are experienced heads so won't completely lose that factor.
I've never been as much a Hutton fan as some on here, but if we're shedding experience, to me it'd make sense to offer him a contract on reduced terms to cover both full back positions (whether he'd accept it is another matter of course). I think Taylor will be on his bike, he's clearly out of favour.
For me, if Whelan, Lansbury or Bjarneson aren't considered good enough to feature in the first 14 in a final, there's little point in keeping them as I'm sure Whelan and Lansbury at least are on decent money. I'd keep Jedinak but try to find his younger, fitter replacement for him to teach.
Hutton is gone. Taylor will still be here.....
Whelan's got another year hasn't he? I know he's taken plenty of stick but thought he was o.k in the run in when he played. Lansbury aswell is still here. Bjarni will probably move on.
Of course these players on their own aren't match winners or will get us promoted but they are experienced heads so won't completely lose that factor.
I've never been as much a Hutton fan as some on here, but if we're shedding experience, to me it'd make sense to offer him a contract on reduced terms to cover both full back positions (whether he'd accept it is another matter of course). I think Taylor will be on his bike, he's clearly out of favour.
For me, if Whelan, Lansbury or Bjarneson aren't considered good enough to feature in the first 14 in a final, there's little point in keeping them as I'm sure Whelan and Lansbury at least are on decent money. I'd keep Jedinak but try to find his younger, fitter replacement for him to teach.
We can't keep Hutton because of FFP, I thought that was pretty much decided.
Yes likes of Whelan and Bjarni aren't starters for us but again championship is long, plenty of two games in 75 hours so we need a decent squad to rotate so if they still want to be here I'd keep them.
Is it a case of waiting to see which weird and wonderful ways Dr Tone finds to get around FFP? It’s already started with the kit deal and the training ground sponsorship deal.
I think the loan players will go and will be replaced by other loanees. We will need a strong keeper unless Johnstone comes back, I think Terry will stay and also Chester. Other than that we need some wheeling and dealing.
Surely that was up to the Dr and his team to plan. Instead they spunked money on any old shit with no plan. Much the same as we did under Lerner. Call it The Villa WayNot really fussed who ends up going. When it came to the crunch to produce on the big stage they failed.
So, with that said and the possibility of JT, Johnstone, Chester, Snodgrass, Onomah, Jack, Kodjia etc. leaving in the off season.. do you think we'll be able to compete at a top 6 level next year?
It could take us years to build a squad and challenge again. Quite frankly, I'm a little uneasy about the next few years.
sadly Kodjia looks a busted flush and Hogan was never going to thrive here. All the loan players failed so its goodbye to them. A step too fat for captain John so a warm fare the well to him too. Starting immediately cherrypick/fast-track the best of the yoof, scour the globe for some good Bosmans, work the loan market like crazy and above all, get in someone who can make that work as a cohesive whole. Simple.
I think Kodjia regain form with a proper offseason not rehabbing. I'm not worried about him at all, he's a player.
RHM deserves game time next season.
With a better manager you might find McCormack and Hogan look decent again.
Key signing is a better manager, no idea who that is though.
I'd be amazed if we see 4 or 5 of that team playing next season.
The obvious saleable asset is Jack, we won't be able to keep him
For me, if Whelan, Lansbury or Bjarneson aren't considered good enough to feature in the first 14 in a final14 ? do you mean 11 ?? No you can't mean that - that would imply that we should sell all our non-First XI and field no subs. Perhaps you meant that they were not called upon ? Brucey would certainly bring on Bjarni when we are a goal down ...LOL
I think Kodjia regain form with a proper offseason not rehabbing. I'm not worried about him at all, he's a player.AGREED
All the loan players failed so its goodbye to them.Really ? REALLY ? You include Johnstone and Snodgrass in that ??
For me, if Whelan, Lansbury or Bjarneson aren't considered good enough to feature in the first 14 in a final
14 ? do you mean 11 ?? No you can't mean that - that would imply that we should sell all our non-First XI and field no subs. Perhaps you meant that they were not called upon ? Brucey would certainly bring on Bjarni when we are a goal down ...LOL
What I meant was that it's now the end of the season and as with any staff team, if we are releasing players we should look to replace the bottom end of the squad with players who are better than what we have i.e. Whelan and Lansbury go. Hourihane becomes sub. New signing goes into team.
Lets assume the loan players are off, and the loaned out players come back, and the out of contract players are released. That leaves us with:
GK - Bunn, Steer
Fullbacks - Taylor, Bree, Elmo, De Laet, Richards.
Centre backs - Chester, Elphick
Wingers - Adomah, Green
Midfielders - Grealish, Gil, Jedinak, Whelan, Lansbury
Strikers - Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack, RHM, Davis
We have issues. Our only left back is shit. One of our two central defenders is Elphick. Two of our three central midfielders are getting old. We only have two wingers. Up top we have a bunch of very expensive forwards that can't seem to score goals.
We will need to find a decent GK, Two centre backs, a left back, and a defensive midfielder that is not ancient. We will need to do this without selling Grealish and Chester.
Bruce is not the man for that job. We need someone that can get a tune out of what have been good players elsewhere (Elphick, Hogan, McCormack, Lansbury), bring youth through and find some bargains.
I would try and get Terry to stay another year as assistant manager / player alongside someone fresh.
Bjarnason?
Yeah i missed out Hourihane as well. Which does make the list a bit better.
QuoteThe obvious saleable asset is Jack, we won't be able to keep him
Why not ?
HOurihane and Adomah are not the answer to next season. For me, they’ve already shown great limitations. Get rid.
Okay, let me rephrase: what drugs does he need to be on to get through the second half of the season?HOurihane and Adomah are not the answer to next season. For me, they’ve already shown great limitations. Get rid.
Adomah?!
Okay, let me rephrase: what drugs does he need to be on to get through the second half of the season?HOurihane and Adomah are not the answer to next season. For me, they’ve already shown great limitations. Get rid.
Adomah?!
i will do, but I’m looking forwards.Okay, let me rephrase: what drugs does he need to be on to get through the second half of the season?HOurihane and Adomah are not the answer to next season. For me, they’ve already shown great limitations. Get rid.
Adomah?!
He carried us first half of the season. 25 league goals between the pair of them this season. Have a lie down
That's a depressing squad. The defence is a mixture of the unproven, incompetent and incapable
We desperately need some pace injected in to the side.Snodgrass will be gone and green will add more pace if not the telling balls. RHM also considerably faster than Grabban. Got to be the way forward. If we can keep Jack we have got a great attacking midfield/front line
That's a depressing squad. The defence is a mixture of the unproven, incompetent and incapable
We will obviously have to get in some decent loans for the defence.
Midfield and attack shouldn't be decimated if we play our cards right and invest properly from selling a key player or two.
That's a depressing squad. The defence is a mixture of the unproven, incompetent and incapable
We will obviously have to get in some decent loans for the defence.
Midfield and attack shouldn't be decimated if we play our cards right and invest properly from selling a key player or two.
We only sign grabban if we get money for Hogan. no way can we keep both. Grabban in fairness has disappointed the last few gamesThat's a depressing squad. The defence is a mixture of the unproven, incompetent and incapable
We will obviously have to get in some decent loans for the defence.
Midfield and attack shouldn't be decimated if we play our cards right and invest properly from selling a key player or two.
yeah but whom? To me looking at our squad the limited money must be thrown at the defence. We need to get a tune out of the forwards as they are. and maybe the youth taking up the slack if snodgrass/onamah go. Kodjia is the only name who is worth something and we can cope without, but how much can we get and do we sign grabban given that he's 30?
That's a depressing squad. The defence is a mixture of the unproven, incompetent and incapable
We will obviously have to get in some decent loans for the defence.
Midfield and attack shouldn't be decimated if we play our cards right and invest properly from selling a key player or two.
yeah but whom? To me looking at our squad the limited money must be thrown at the defence. We need to get a tune out of the forwards as they are. and maybe the youth taking up the slack if snodgrass/onamah go. Kodjia is the only name who is worth something and we can cope without, but how much can we get and do we sign grabban given that he's 30?
We're in the shit. There's no other way to put this. Time to play the kids and knuckle down for a long period of building something organic whilst stuck in the Championship. There's literally no point in scrambling for loans and cheap grafters at the end of their PL tenure just to fall short again, we might as well bite the bullet, strip it all down, and start again. I'd personally start off by bringing Keinan, Hepburn-Murphy and Green back into the fold immediately, introducing O'Hare, selling whoever we can get decent money for, and telling the likes of Hogan to just fuck off wherever he pleases.
Hutton is gone. Taylor will still be here.....
Whelan's got another year hasn't he? I know he's taken plenty of stick but thought he was o.k in the run in when he played. Lansbury aswell is still here. Bjarni will probably move on.
Of course these players on their own aren't match winners or will get us promoted but they are experienced heads so won't completely lose that factor.
I've never been as much a Hutton fan as some on here, but if we're shedding experience, to me it'd make sense to offer him a contract on reduced terms to cover both full back positions (whether he'd accept it is another matter of course). I think Taylor will be on his bike, he's clearly out of favour.
For me, if Whelan, Lansbury or Bjarneson aren't considered good enough to feature in the first 14 in a final, there's little point in keeping them as I'm sure Whelan and Lansbury at least are on decent money. I'd keep Jedinak but try to find his younger, fitter replacement for him to teach.
Crikey. One or two panicky posters on here. Yes, the loanees will go, plus probably JT and Hutton, and we instantly need a new goalkeeper, left back and centre half, but as long as we keep Grealish and Chester, and Kodjia re-discovers his mojo, we have enough elsewhere in the squad to be a force in this league once again. But we will need to start to use the younger players: Bree should be a starter at RB, RHM and Davis should support Kodjia and Hogan in attack, and we need to get O'Hare up to speed to play in midfield. But above all this is the question of the manager. If we go again with Steve Bruce I fear we will simply get more of the same: football played on the back foot and on the break. In my view that's not good enough for Aston Villa in the 2nd division. We need a change of style and emphasis, which is why I would thank SB for his services and look for more progressive thought elsewhere.
Regarding Smith, I think he's much more than just a Villa fan, done an incredible job at Brentford, he can spot a good player from the lower leagues which is something we may have to do now and can probably get a tune out of Hogan.
Regarding Smith, I think he's much more than just a Villa fan, done an incredible job at Brentford, he can spot a good player from the lower leagues which is something we may have to do now and can probably get a tune out of Hogan.
Brentford are (in)famous for using sabermetric techniques, which is either good or bad depending on your perspective. Either way, it will have had a significant influence on the club's performances over the years, so we'd either have to replicate that system or there's a risk that the 'moneyball' was the key component rather than the Smith himself.
The one thing that still gives me hope for next season is that I don't see another standout team amongst the list of who will be in our division.
I'd be amazed if we were able to hold on to Chester. He's been the best defender in the Championship by a mile and is bound to attract a lot of interest. Regarding Smith, I think he's much more than just a Villa fan, done an incredible job at Brentford, he can spot a good player from the lower leagues which is something we may have to do now and can probably get a tune out of Hogan.I agree, he is much more than just a Villa fan, but at the moment his is the only name I’m hearing being put forward on here. We surely need a decent shortlist drafted up with several viable candidates which match the scope of the job in hand.
This nonsense about Dean Smith being able to unlock some mystical scoring ability in Scott Hogan. He cost us £15m which for a Championship striker is a fortune. He's got a very simple remit, score or contribute to goals. People including myself have been quick to label Bruce a failure on the basis of his performance versus targets this season, well if you ask me, Hogan's been abysmal and I've seen nothing from him to suggest that he should be a part of any future Villa squad.
Dean would shit the bed within a fortnight. This requires a big balls manager.
This nonsense about Dean Smith being able to unlock some mystical scoring ability in Scott Hogan. He cost us £15m which for a Championship striker is a fortune. He's got a very simple remit, score or contribute to goals. People including myself have been quick to label Bruce a failure on the basis of his performance versus targets this season, well if you ask me, Hogan's been abysmal and I've seen nothing from him to suggest that he should be a part of any future Villa squad.
It's not really a myth though is it? He's played under Dean Smith before and he's got the best out of him.
I'm not advocating Dean Smith by the way.
This nonsense about Dean Smith being able to unlock some mystical scoring ability in Scott Hogan. He cost us £15m which for a Championship striker is a fortune
Get axel back on loan and play him CB next to Chester. Green can replace Snods. New left back. We’re signing that young winger from Sheff Wednesday on a free (allegedly) too.
Promote RHM as a mainstay in the forward line.
If we can’t keep Jack then use the money around the team. New left back needed too.
Someone will jump forward from the crowd, they always do. Hopefully the hurt from this year serves as motivation for Villa next season.If you believe an article written in (I think) the Grauniad online, the teams losing a play-off statistically go backwards in the following season.
Someone will jump forward from the crowd, they always do. Hopefully the hurt from this year serves as motivation for Villa next season.If you believe an article written in (I think) the Grauniad online, the teams losing a play-off statistically go backwards in the following season.
Another reason for a fresh start without SB.
Someone will jump forward from the crowd, they always do. Hopefully the hurt from this year serves as motivation for Villa next season.If you believe an article written in (I think) the Grauniad online, the teams losing a play-off statistically go backwards in the following season.
Another reason for a fresh start without SB.
And at the moment everything screams that we will be going backwards.
Get axel back on loan and play him CB next to Chester. Green can replace Snods. New left back. We’re signing that young winger from Sheff Wednesday on a free (allegedly) too.
Promote RHM as a mainstay in the forward line.
If we can’t keep Jack then use the money around the team. New left back needed too.
An upgrade on Conner Hourihane is all we need. Midfielders with the basic tools of speed, can win it and give it then move into space. an example of this type of player is ...erm :-[
If we can keep the back 5 and the strike force we are not too far away.Jake Doyle-Hayes.
An upgrade on Conner Hourihane is all we need. Midfielders with the basic tools of speed, can win it and give it then move into space. an example of this type of player is ...erm :-[
it was because we were the shittiest team ever to play in it. On the statistic of play-off teams going backwards, Reading finished third last year and just avoided relegation this time. Massive pre season and season ahead.
lots of speculation on your goalie johnstone coming to us on a perm move so what's your thoughts on him villians ? is he prem material or not
lots of speculation on your goalie johnstone coming to us on a perm move so what's your thoughts on him villians ? is he prem material or not
lots of speculation on your goalie johnstone coming to us on a perm move so what's your thoughts on him villians ? is he prem material or not
Bruce deserves some criticism and his inability to get a half-decent forward line is concerning - but he didn't find his team until October/November.
I think we won 1 from the first 7. That's what cost us promotion in the end. Kodjia was injured, Davies dropped off, Hogan ineffective and Grabban was the wrong signing for the system.
If we had Mitrovic we'd have gone up.
Does anyone have a list of the available Bosman's?
Too many pessimistic people on here. I understand it’s still raw but it ain’t that bad we will lose snodgrass Johnston terry grabhan, who can be quite easily replaced if they were that good we would have gone up. Looking forward to a team ofExcept there won’t be Grealish or Chester.
Gk steer
Def bree Hutton Chester ( new signing cb )
Mid bjarnasson Jedi hourihane
Att Grealish o hare kodjia
Subs Davis Albert hogan green Lansbury( a few defenders and a keeper on the cheap)
With a forward thinking manager we will be up there UTV
Too many pessimistic people on here. I understand it’s still raw but it ain’t that bad we will lose snodgrass Johnston terry grabhan, who can be quite easily replaced if they were that good we would have gone up. Looking forward to a team ofExcept there won’t be Grealish or Chester.
Gk steer
Def bree Hutton Chester ( new signing cb )
Mid bjarnasson Jedi hourihane
Att Grealish o hare kodjia
Subs Davis Albert hogan green Lansbury( a few defenders and a keeper on the cheap)
With a forward thinking manager we will be up there UTV
Or Hutton.
Or Hutton.
The only reason he never got a new contract was because we thought we were going up. If Bruce stays he stays I don’t think we’re as skint as what all the doom merchants are thinking.
Too many pessimistic people on here. I understand it’s still raw but it ain’t that bad we will lose snodgrass Johnston terry grabhan, who can be quite easily replaced if they were that good we would have gone up. Looking forward to a team ofExcept there won’t be Grealish or Chester.
Gk steer
Def bree Hutton Chester ( new signing cb )
Mid bjarnasson Jedi hourihane
Att Grealish o hare kodjia
Subs Davis Albert hogan green Lansbury( a few defenders and a keeper on the cheap)
With a forward thinking manager we will be up there UTV
At the moment, there's a lot of speculation but the truth is, we think we do but none of us know the true state of the clubs finances. I think those now in charge wil have considered this outcome and planned accordingly. What it does show is how TV money has destroyed the natural order of things with the top league dominated by small poorly supported clubs like Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth et all. If I was the Premiership, I would be very scared that I was in danger of no longer being the saleable product abroad that I was. I can't see many in China staying up to watch Bournemouth play Huddersfield.
Don't see the problem, clubs like Bournemouth and Huddersfield found good managers, built teams in his style and can stay up in the premier league due to it.
It's something over the next year or so we're going to have to learn to do as the gamble of blowing 40-50m for a quick fix has failed.
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Completely agree.
Not that we have any choice but new mindset needed now.
The dust is settling and reality is biting.
All those small clubs being soundly managed both on and off the pitch. How dare they!?!?
Does anyone have a list of the available Bosman's?
Hennessy, Hernandez, Gregory, Brownhill and Ki would be all good signings
Ryan Woods would be a brilliant signing. Shame we've got -£40 million to sign him with.
Pace and movement has to be key. Keeping Chester, Grealish and Kodjia gives us a good spine.
Done a need both Jedinak and Whelan? Especially when Thor moves the ball better and has more legs?
Do we need Lansbury? Do we need to keep Hutton for left back?
They say they've planned and I hope they have.
People complaining about small clubs being successful - and there was me thinking competition was a good thing!!
I'd throw in ameobi (26!) as a wildcard if we don't get Hernandez or Kodjia replacement. He can play wide or as hold up striker. Imagine him and Kodjia together!
At the end of this season all of the following should be out of contract;Source?
Terry, Bunn, Hutton, Samba, Agbonlahor, Sarkic, Watkins, Abdo, Blackett-Taylor, Borg, Prosser, Pastorek, Clarke, Clark, Finnerty, Coates, Knibbs, Cox, Hall, Idem, Johansson, Stretch, Boucher, Bazeley-Graham, Williams, Rowe.
Finnerty has been sold, and Agbonlahor isn't going to be offered a new contract.
If we don't give any of the others a new contract, then the complete player list for next season will start as follows;
GK: Steer,Gollini
Def :Taylor,Chester,Bree, Richards, Elmohamady, De Laet, Elphick, Bedeau, Suliman, McConnachie, Patterson, Revan, Walker.
Mid: Whelan, Lansbury, Grealish, Hourihane, Jedinak, Bjarnason, Adomah,Green, Gardner, O'Hare, Lyden, Doyle-Hayes, Tshibola, Birch, Birch, Brunt, Ige, Ramsey.
Fwds : Hogan, Kodjia, Davis, McCormack,McKirdy, Hepburn-Murphy, Guy, Hooper, Mooney, Odutayo, Sea, Tait, Bridge, Pressley.
I've heard we will face a transfer embargo, due to failing FFP , so It'll be interesting how many of the above list will play in the first team squad next term.
Pace and movement has to be key. Keeping Chester, Grealish and Kodjia gives us a good spine.
Do we need both Jedinak and Whelan? Especially when Thor moves the ball better and has more legs?
Do we need Lansbury? Do we need to keep Hutton for left back?
They say they've planned and I hope they have.
I could see one of them at StokeDon’t think it will be Whelan..lol
I'd be looking at Vorm and Hernandez on frees. James Collins maybe if Terry doesn't want to stay or we can't afford him.James fookin Collins ...
Wait and see what the loan market opens up for the rest of them.
Loan out Lansbury/Hogan - they'll be worth a few quid if they get some form somewhere else. Sell Gardner and Bjarnasson.
That would leave us with something like:Vorm
Elmo - Chester - Collins - Taylor
Whelan - Hourihane
Adomah - Grealish - Kodjia
Hernandez
Steer - Elphick - Bree - Jedinak - Green - O'Hare - Davies
That's definitely good enough to be top 6 if fit. And the sales of Gardner and Bjarnasson and no longer paying Snodgrass, Terry, Gabby, Samba and Bunns wages you'd hope we'd be able to add 2 quality loan players should they materialise.
It is absolutely infuriating to think that Richards and McCormack will take in excess of £4m off the club over the next 12 months.
It is absolutely infuriating to think that Richards and McCormack will take in excess of £4m off the club over the next 12 months.richards i just don't understand. surely if you have an problem that is career ending you retire and get a payout from insurance. Did we ignore medical advice when we signed him?
It is absolutely infuriating to think that Richards and McCormack will take in excess of £4m off the club over the next 12 months.richards i just don't understand. surely if you have an problem that is career ending you retire and get a payout from insurance. Did we ignore medical advice when we signed him?
There is obviously no major medical issue, he is just shit and unfit. I don't think insurance covers being shit.
Jedinak and Whelan would be minimal sale fees as they only have a year left to run on contract. Expire this time next year.
Jedinak and Whelan would be minimal sale fees as they only have a year left to run on contract. Expire this time next year.
Both will be on decent wages though Skillz, so getting at least one of them off the books would still save some money even if the transfer fee was pretty minimal. I think Pulis for one would definitely take Jedinak.
We need one of your annual free agent updates Skillz to see who is out there to be snapped up.
I think the only players I'd want off that list are (at a push) Hennessey and Gunnarsson.
Luke Shaw obviously, but he will go to a bottom half PL team.
I think the only players I'd want off that list are (at a push) Hennessey and Gunnarsson.
Luke Shaw obviously, but he will go to a bottom half PL team.
You wouldn’t want 20-odd goal Bobby Reid?
I agree. Given our feasible options in defence at the moment consist of Chester, Elmohamady and Bree, we might find that a season from say, Robert Huth isn't the worst thing in the world.
Front two of Fernando Torres and David N'gog....that would sell me a season ticket!
Names don't look great but at start of the season Cardiff signed Mendez-Laing and Holliet and they've been regulars in promotion winning team.
If we sell Jack I'd take Oztumer from Walsall. Plays the number 10 role and he's scored 30 league goals over past two seasons. Seen him live plenty of times and think he could play in the championship no bother.
Edit: Wasn't Jordan Graham playing really well for Wolves before he got a bad injury? Struggled for games since but could be tempted back here for unfinished business?
I agree. Given our feasible options in defence at the moment consist of Chester, Elmohamady and Bree, we might find that a season from say, Robert Huth isn't the worst thing in the world.
Source?
Which season are you talking about with regard to out of contract players? Both Clark(e)s are 2019 as is Knibbs..
I'd avoid Myhill, he couldn't have cared less about the Albion being relegated, neither did I but they were'nt paying me a fortune every week.
Update to contract end dates lists;
End of Season;
Terry, Bunn, Hutton, Samba, Agbonlahor, Sarkic, Watkins, Abdo, Blackett-Taylor, Borg, Prosser, Cox, Idem, Johansson, Stretch, Rowe, McKirdy, Doyle-Hayes.
2019;
Clarke(J), Clark(M), Knibbs, Bedeau, Richards, Whelan, De Laet, Jedinak, Elphick, Green, Steer, Lyden, Suliman, O'Hare, Mooney, Gil.
2020;
Davis, Bjarnason, Chester, Elmohamady, Kodjia, Grealish, Adomah, McCormack, Gardner, Hepburn-Murphy,Tshibola, Gollini, Hourihane.
2021;
Lansbury, Taylor, Bree, Hogan.
The following players are youth/academy and I now cannot find contract end dates for them at present;
Hall, Boucher, Bazeley-Graham, Williams, McChonnachie, Pressley, Revan, Walker, Guy, Patterson, Birch(J), Birch(M), Ige, Ramsey, Tait, Brunt, Sea, Odutayo, Hooper, Bridge, Vassilev.
Sources, Wikipedia, Transfermkt, GoogleChrome.
The 2020+ group this window or January some of those need to go as best prices for sales. Value will only deteriorate if not.
Elmo
Bjarnason
Kodjia
Maybe Chester
I have to ignore grealish
The 2020+ group this window or January some of those need to go as best prices for sales. Value will only deteriorate if not.
Elmo
Bjarnason
Kodjia
Maybe Chester
I have to ignore grealish
It's more McCormack, Gardner, Tshibola, Gollini, Lansbury, Taylor and Hogan that are the problem.
The 2020+ group this window or January some of those need to go as best prices for sales. Value will only deteriorate if not.
Elmo
Bjarnason
Kodjia
Maybe Chester
I have to ignore grealish
It's more McCormack, Gardner, Tshibola, Gollini, Lansbury, Taylor and Hogan that are the problem.
I get that especially mccormack Gardner Tshibola and Gollini but as they have nothing to do with 1st team this season would be regarded as little value to sell apart from mccormack.
Feel sorry for Gollini Bruce has own gk coaching staff who were ex man utd. The Italian coaches with rdm had Gollini but Bruce I don't feel would be interested and neither Gollini staying. Good luck to him and hope can get back to Italy enjoy his career and make potential
I listed the players I did as they are ones to generate funds and could feasibly be sold
Lansbury and Hogan can have a roll to play I feel and would only do well at other champs clubs so wouldn't want to give others a chance!
However Chester, Kodjia Bjarnason and Elmo (wishful as Bruce would keep him all night long) are saleable assets to Prem or abroad for decent fees.
Gollini is being bought by the Italians i think.
Honestly if we let Chester go with Terry also finished, we might as well give up now. Even fecking Samba will be gone next year. I know Grealish seems a bigger loss in the long term but in the short term who exactly do people expect to slot in at centre half if we flog our #5? Tommy Elphick and the untested Tuanzebe? And who's going to Captain us?
I can see Kodjia going for a few quid and us getting Abel Hernandez to replace him.
I can see Kodjia going for a few quid and us getting Abel Hernandez to replace him.
Depends on the extent of his ankle damage I guess. Can’t imagine teams taking a gamble and paying much based on his injuries and age.
Juan Pablo Angel and the Arce brothers
Ulises De La Cruz (Ecuador), Nolberto Solano (Peru), Gustavo Bartelt (Argentina) but can't think of any others.
Ulises De La Cruz (Ecuador), Nolberto Solano (Peru), Gustavo Bartelt (Argentina) but can't think of any others.
Solano!! I aways thought he was Newcastle and then some spell at West ham. For villa? that escapes me !!
I doubt under Bruce then but Xia be for it! Some Brazilian flair. Again excuse unknowing championship and first division but Brazilians don't seem to come to this league in massive numbers or much in premier league unless paying a lot thinking about it? The da silva brother one at Cardiff is one in championship.
I recall villa were in for coutinho at inter! Oh what might have been!
Though the 2010 link for Maradona interested in being our manager!! Was the greatest!
Just getting in world cup mood.
I guess getting hold of younger Brazilian need work permits I remember there was a goal keeper for Croatia Lovre Kalinic that couldn't sign due to lack of experience guess that's similar problem unless put them in academy or something.
Anyhow!
Ulises De La Cruz (Ecuador), Nolberto Solano (Peru), Gustavo Bartelt (Argentina) but can't think of any others.Gustavo Bartelt! Christ, that is some blast from the past! Himself and Najwan Ghrayib....surely they didn't actually exist?
Don't think Bartlett ever actually played for us and he didn't really do anything after he left us.
Saw Ghrayib in a league cup game v Man. United but Alan Wright was very much the established LB in those days.
Fabio Ferrerasi was another, signed him from a random Italian serie B team and think he made 1 appearence before going back the next summer.
Aston Villa defender Ritchie De Laet is willing to take a pay-cut to make his loan move to Royal Antwerp permanent in the summer transfer window, according to HLN.
De Laet returned to Antwerp in the January transfer window on a loan deal for until the end of the season
According to HLN, the Belgian club find the transfer fee of securing the services of De Laet on a permanent contract too high.
It has been reported that Antwerp have a buying option of €2 million (£1.75m), but the fee is claimed to be too high for them.
It has also been reported that De Laet is willing to take a pay-cut from his €1.5m-per-year (£1.31m) salary, but there is still a gap between what the 29-year-old defender wants and what Antwerp are able to pay.
De Laet has struggled to make an impact at Villa, and it would be best for the former Stoke City prospect if he leaves the Villans in the summer transfer window - if not for Antwerp, then for another club in England.
How did he do in Belgium? With Hutton going, maybe he could yet do a job for us. Though having Elmo and Bree half-decent options for us in that position, I guess there's less need for him.
It's left full back I'm worried about. Taylor is not up to it, I'd rather play Hutton out of position for another season than have another year of Neil.
Oscar Borg and Mitch Clark seemed to alternate at left back most of the season (I think the former picked up an injury towards the end of the season though), both of them are decent. Sadly the best full back in the U23s/Academy is Bazeley-Graham who plays on the right. Lyden is still about but he's no full back.
Oscar Borg and Mitch Clark seemed to alternate at left back most of the season (I think the former picked up an injury towards the end of the season though), both of them are decent. Sadly the best full back in the U23s/Academy is Bazeley-Graham who plays on the right. Lyden is still about but he's no full back.
Are there 2 Clarks? I think heard of him but didn't think was left back.
Borg is out of contact I think but was seen as prospect when signed up.
(aren't they all one could argue!) thanks for the info!
How did he do in Belgium? With Hutton going, maybe he could yet do a job for us. Though having Elmo and Bree half-decent options for us in that position, I guess there's less need for him.
It's left full back I'm worried about. Taylor is not up to it, I'd rather play Hutton out of position for another season than have another year of Neil.
Is it just me, or have we been looking for a right back since Delaney retired? Who was our last decent left back? Bouma?
Is it just me, or have we been looking for a right back since Delaney retired? Who was our last decent left back? Bouma?
After beating B-lose at home and going second and then hammering the Tatters to put ourselves back in contention we looked a very good bet to go up automatically.
We fluffed our lines, but that should be the cue to add more quality in key areas this summer. Not completely decimate the squad and 'go again.'
Tobias Pachonik from serie B side Carpi being linked. Free agent. No neither have I.
The only reason to let Dr Laet go is to shift his wages. If Hutton is happy to take 10k a week for next season then with him, Bree and Elmo we have enough at right back. Hutton is fine starting at left back too. I would try and shift Taylor on and buy a younger, faster left back as competition for Hutton. A faster centre half along with Chester is much needed, as is a backup. Let Samba go, Terry has gone already. Maybe Tuanzebe is a cheap option there with a more experienced starter. I am pretty sure there are enough free transfer players this summer we can plug the gaps with though, Warnock spent bugger all at Cardiff last summer, while Fulham had to sell McCormack to us.Lots of sense there.
In midfield Bjarnarson should be starting as the holding midfielder, he should have started the play off final. We played much better when he was starting. Jedinak can cover, and okay the more physical battles. Whelan should be sold on, I'm sure Pulis will buy him and take his wages off our hands. Beyond that I think Hourihane should be tried in a deeper role, he was much more of a deeper playmaker at Barnsley and has done well there a couple of times for us. Lansbury should be sold. Bring Doyle Hayes into the squad and get a loan centre midfielder that's got some legs. Our lack of running behind Jack is pitiful. Tsishbola needs settling or playing too.
It wide Green looked very good early in the season but then had some nasty injuries. Getting him fit and playing could be massive, he's a top prospect. Another year older I think next season could be huge for him. We need another pacey option though, someone like Callum Robinson would have been nice to call on! We have to try and keep Jack but I wills so Adomah if a decent bid came in. I know he's done really well but if there was one sacrifice I'd happily make it would be him. Again other clubs have shown faith in youth or found cheap options, look at Hoilett at Cardiff last season. We should have been scouting budget players all season. We never liked like getting 2nd so not going up should not have been a shock.
Up top it all comes down to how fit Kodjia is. If he's flying next season we could be fine. If he's not we have to sell McCormack and Hogan and find a couple of more functional options, one being a proper target man, while giving RHM his chance to play.
With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?The Balance sheet is a list of the Assets and Liabilities and you subtract one from the other to determine Net Worth the Profit and Loss Account is the record of trading ie Revenue less costs and expenses = profit or Loss.
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
Tobias Pachonik from serie B side Carpi being linked. Free agent. No neither have I.
A quick google suggests he's a right back so I can see why we're linked, Bruce likes to keep a good stock of them.
With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
The £2m is the value as far as FFP is concerned.
That's why I'm not sure what we can do about Hogan and McCormack. In both cases I think we'd struggle to get an offer high enough to do more than break even on FFP but neither of them really offer us anything right now.
With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
The £2m is the value as far as FFP is concerned.
That's why I'm not sure what we can do about Hogan and McCormack. In both cases I think we'd struggle to get an offer high enough to do more than break even on FFP but neither of them really offer us anything right now.
See my explanation above.With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
The £2m is the value as far as FFP is concerned.
That's why I'm not sure what we can do about Hogan and McCormack. In both cases I think we'd struggle to get an offer high enough to do more than break even on FFP but neither of them really offer us anything right now.
That's what I was mulling over.
With Hogan for example, if he's on £35k per week and a 4 year deal, then we'd need to sell him for more than £4.5 million to make any money to chip away at the FFP deficit.
If the manager does not want him surely better to loan him for a million this year, hope he plays well and then sell him for an agreed £4 million next summer. That way we benefit to the tune of £2.8m this year for FFP and then the same again next year when his book value is down to £3m.
See my explanation above.With amortization to consider, do you similarly have to factor in the purchase price to factor your overall loss or gain for FFP?
I.e. We sign Gollini for £5 million on a 5 year deal. His book value is therefore now £3 million. We sell him for £3.5 million, so we're £500k up on his book value. We then remove his £1.5 million wages from the balance sheet, so the difference is now £2 million.
Have we reduced the FFP deficit by £2 million? Or do we have to then factor the £1.5 million loss between disposal cost and acquisition cost? So we'd be only £500k up?
The £2m is the value as far as FFP is concerned.
That's why I'm not sure what we can do about Hogan and McCormack. In both cases I think we'd struggle to get an offer high enough to do more than break even on FFP but neither of them really offer us anything right now.
That's what I was mulling over.
With Hogan for example, if he's on £35k per week and a 4 year deal, then we'd need to sell him for more than £4.5 million to make any money to chip away at the FFP deficit.
If the manager does not want him surely better to loan him for a million this year, hope he plays well and then sell him for an agreed £4 million next summer. That way we benefit to the tune of £2.8m this year for FFP and then the same again next year when his book value is down to £3m.
If Hogan is still on the Balance sheet at 9mil and we sell him for 5 mil that is a 4 mil loss.
By losing his wages then the Profit and loss account will benefit by 1.6 mil producing a net loss for the year 2.4 mil.
The loan market seems the obvious place to look. I know people don't like it. But someone like Phil Foden just is better than anything we've got and if it puts us 5 places higher up the table than relying on our youth it could be crucial. Harry Wilson from Liverpool is another obvious option
I'd love it to be our kids leading an exciting brand of football next year. But I think the majority need a loan out first to see what they can do.
Bobby Reid and Hoillet would be two good free transfers.
Pace and Reid is unorthodox too. Hoillet is ok at this level.
Tobias Pachonik from serie B side Carpi being linked. Free agent. No neither have I.
A quick google suggests he's a right back so I can see why we're linked, Bruce likes to keep a good stock of them.
See, that's the kind of nonsensical thinking that has got us in a financial mess. Four right-backs at the club all on decent money is the kind of idiotic approach that has plagued the club for some time now.
Tobias Pachonik from serie B side Carpi being linked. Free agent. No neither have I.
He sounds more like a porn star to me than a footballer.
The only reason to let Dr Laet go is to shift his wages. If Hutton is happy to take 10k a week for next season then with him, Bree and Elmo we have enough at right back. Hutton is fine starting at left back too. I would try and shift Taylor on and buy a younger, faster left back as competition for Hutton. A faster centre half along with Chester is much needed, as is a backup. Let Samba go, Terry has gone already. Maybe Tuanzebe is a cheap option there with a more experienced starter. I am pretty sure there are enough free transfer players this summer we can plug the gaps with though, Warnock spent bugger all at Cardiff last summer, while Fulham had to sell McCormack to us.
In midfield Bjarnarson should be starting as the holding midfielder, he should have started the play off final. We played much better when he was starting. Jedinak can cover, and okay the more physical battles. Whelan should be sold on, I'm sure Pulis will buy him and take his wages off our hands. Beyond that I think Hourihane should be tried in a deeper role, he was much more of a deeper playmaker at Barnsley and has done well there a couple of times for us. Lansbury should be sold. Bring Doyle Hayes into the squad and get a loan centre midfielder that's got some legs. Our lack of running behind Jack is pitiful. Tsishbola needs settling or playing too.
It wide Green looked very good early in the season but then had some nasty injuries. Getting him fit and playing could be massive, he's a top prospect. Another year older I think next season could be huge for him. We need another pacey option though, someone like Callum Robinson would have been nice to call on! We have to try and keep Jack but I wills so Adomah if a decent bid came in. I know he's done really well but if there was one sacrifice I'd happily make it would be him. Again other clubs have shown faith in youth or found cheap options, look at Hoilett at Cardiff last season. We should have been scouting budget players all season. We never liked like getting 2nd so not going up should not have been a shock.
Up top it all comes down to how fit Kodjia is. If he's flying next season we could be fine. If he's not we have to sell McCormack and Hogan and find a couple of more functional options, one being a proper target man, while giving RHM his chance to play.
Sooner we sign David Meyler on a free the sooner we know Bruce is staying
Sooner we sign David Meyler on a free the sooner we know Bruce is staying
And Alex Bruce, too.
Sooner we sign David Meyler on a free the sooner we know Bruce is staying
And Alex Bruce, too.
And the Second Coming of Gabby Agbonlahor.
According to the Crewe Manager, Villa and Crewe are to receive a bonus payment from Burnley for Ashley Westwood as he played in half of their games last season. Potentially up to a million with 20% going to Crewe. Mr pointy is the gift that keeps on giving.
If we signed Lee Cattermole I think I would in all seriousness slash my wrists.
I don't think Bruce is particularly nativist with his signings, to be honest. Going back to his Wigan days he has always shown himself willing to take chances on even obscure signings from abroad.
I don't think Bruce is particularly nativist with his signings, to be honest. Going back to his Wigan days he has always shown himself willing to take chances on even obscure signings from abroad.
Not very often, Valencia was already at Wigan, Rodellega had been an international for a few years, Palacios was recommended by Wenger to Bruce back when he was at sha. Those are often the ones credited to him at Wigan.
I don't think Bruce is particularly nativist with his signings, to be honest. Going back to his Wigan days he has always shown himself willing to take chances on even obscure signings from abroad.
I don't think Bruce is particularly nativist with his signings, to be honest. Going back to his Wigan days he has always shown himself willing to take chances on even obscure signings from abroad.
Not very often, Valencia was already at Wigan, Rodellega had been an international for a few years, Palacios was recommended by Wenger to Bruce back when he was at sha. Those are often the ones credited to him at Wigan.
I don't think Bruce is particularly nativist with his signings, to be honest. Going back to his Wigan days he has always shown himself willing to take chances on even obscure signings from abroad.
Not very often, Valencia was already at Wigan, Rodellega had been an international for a few years, Palacios was recommended by Wenger to Bruce back when he was at sha. Those are often the ones credited to him at Wigan.
He also signed Maynor Figueroa at Wigan and at Sunderland picked up Paulo Da Silva and Marcos Angeleri. Signed Abel Hernandez at Hull.
Bjarni's been his most left field signing since he's been here.
According to the Crewe Manager, Villa and Crewe are to receive a bonus payment from Burnley for Ashley Westwood as he played in half of their games last season. Potentially up to a million with 20% going to Crewe. Mr pointy is the gift that keeps on giving.
Westwood will be playing in Europe next year, whilst we'll be straining to reach the play-offs in the Championship. We go again.
Problem is though Newby how confident can we be that the money would be spent well?
If we signed Lee Cattermole I think I would in all seriousness slash my wrists.
Problem is though Newby how confident can we be that the money would be spent well?
Not a reflection of Pantilimon as I’m sure he’s a useful keeper for the championship, but why do we not seem to be able to bring through our own keepers any more?
Without wanting to go over the whole ‘doesn’t bring through youth team players’ about Bruce, we always used to have a steady flow of decent keepers coming through our academy, but over recent years we’ve only bought or loaned them in.
I know I’m hugely simplifying, but this key position seems to sum up our waste of transfer resources when we should be more self sufficient.
Not a reflection of Pantilimon as I’m sure he’s a useful keeper for the championship, but why do we not seem to be able to bring through our own keepers any more?
Without wanting to go over the whole ‘doesn’t bring through youth team players’ about Bruce, we always used to have a steady flow of decent keepers coming through our academy, but over recent years we’ve only bought or loaned them in.
I know I’m hugely simplifying, but this key position seems to sum up our waste of transfer resources when we should be more self sufficient.
It's claimed that Aston Villa and boss Steve Bruce – who managed Jake Livermore at Hull – would have been keen if they had won promotion, but staying in the Championship means they have been ruled out of the race.That’s the first piece of news since Saturday that has cheered me up.
Looks like Hodgson will take him instead. I'm glad don't rate him at all.
Just checked. Alex Bruce still not signed a new contract with wigan. I reckon we're gonna steal him from under their nosesIf Dr Tony could just find that 50 pence piece from down the back of the sofa, we are in.
*runs off*
Hibs attacking midfielder very good apparently
I watched a couple of youtube vids of him and the main thing I noticed is just how bad Scottish football is these days. And he didn't strike me as anything overly special.
Speared or impaled?
I’ve yet to see a goal montage where the player was shit or the music was any good.
there's no chance of us splashing £5m on this guy
Gollini officially gone to Atlanta according to Twitter - £3.75m.
I can't see us selling Chester or Chester wanting to go.
Looks like Elphick to Reading is highly likely. Huth being linked incoming. A 29 year old being replaced, potentially, by a 33 year old? Will be ever learn? Stoke City after Chester according to the Villa hating Evening Mule.
Barry Bannan ? I guess he is still young for us at 28 :)
Did i read our deal for that good young Sheff Weds player had gone up the spout or did i dream it ?
Shame if so as he's exactly the type of signing i want us to be making this summer
Sean Clare is the player we backed out of deal for from SW
Are we REALLY in for Stephen Ireland as is being reported in places ?
If we are, someone needs fucking shooting........quickly.
Are we REALLY in for Stephen Ireland as is being reported in places ?
If we are, someone needs fucking shooting........quickly.
Ireland FFS. Get a grip. Things are shit - but not that shit.It would seriously test my resolve to travel week in, week out.
I imagine similar things were being said about us by other clubs fans when we were spending money like it grew on trees in Aston. Doesn't just come together like that.
exactly - why would he want to sail into the Villa shitstorm?
I imagine similar things were being said about us by other clubs fans when we were spending money like it grew on trees in Aston. Doesn't just come together like that.
Stoke keeping most of their defence and midfield together aswell, likes of Pieters, Joe Allen and Shawcross all happy to stay.
They might not be much good at prem level anymore but will be more than good enough down here.
Stoke will be best of the relegated trio by some distance I think as Swansea and West Brom have inexperienced managers at this level.
Clampy -would you commit right now knowing we could be in administration by next week?
Shouldn’t have sold Nathan Baker
Baker was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. Let’s not wax lyrical about a bog standard footballer at this level. He didn’t want to be a squad player with us and he was too reliable to commit to as a regular starter.
Baker was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. Let’s not wax lyrical about a bog standard footballer at this level. He didn’t want to be a squad player with us and he was too reliable to commit to as a regular starter.
Whilst I agree with you regarding Baker, we have effectively swapped Baker to pay for Terry's wages for 12 months.
We are now left with neither player, no money to bring in a replacement and only one recognised CB.
To me, this is further evidence of the gamble we took last season.
Baker was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. Let’s not wax lyrical about a bog standard footballer at this level. He didn’t want to be a squad player with us and he was too reliable to commit to as a regular starter.
Whilst I agree with you regarding Baker, we have effectively swapped Baker to pay for Terry's wages for 12 months.
We are now left with neither player, no money to bring in a replacement and only one recognised CB.
To me, this is further evidence of the gamble we took last season.
Terry was a massive upgrade on Baker, amd outside of that one injury played in more games in one season at 36 than Baker ever did for us. The gamble was to not only achieve that but get us promoted which we should have done. That we didn’t isn’t related to the sale of Baker or the acquisition of Terry. It’s because the manager didn’t have the guts to try and win more games across the season let alone the final.
The problem wasn't replacing Baker with Terry, it was signing Samba as the only backup meaning that, if we didn't go up we'd be left with Chester and Elphick (who Bruce clearly wanted out).
The problem wasn't replacing Baker with Terry, it was signing Samba as the only backup meaning that, if we didn't go up we'd be left with Chester and Elphick (who Bruce clearly wanted out).
Samba didn't cost us anything though. We are now in a situation whereby we need to replace a first choice CB.
There wouldn’t have been a signing-on fee: he was out of contract. I bet his wages were pretty insignificant relatively.The problem wasn't replacing Baker with Terry, it was signing Samba as the only backup meaning that, if we didn't go up we'd be left with Chester and Elphick (who Bruce clearly wanted out).
Samba didn't cost us anything though. We are now in a situation whereby we need to replace a first choice CB.
Didn't cost anything apart from a signing on fee and wages...
There wouldn’t have been a signing-on fee: he was out of contract. I bet his wages were pretty insignificant relatively.The problem wasn't replacing Baker with Terry, it was signing Samba as the only backup meaning that, if we didn't go up we'd be left with Chester and Elphick (who Bruce clearly wanted out).
Samba didn't cost us anything though. We are now in a situation whereby we need to replace a first choice CB.
Didn't cost anything apart from a signing on fee and wages...
Baker was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. Let’s not wax lyrical about a bog standard footballer at this level. He didn’t want to be a squad player with us and he was too reliable to commit to as a regular starter.
Baker was a liability and an injury waiting to happen. Let’s not wax lyrical about a bog standard footballer at this level. He didn’t want to be a squad player with us and he was too reliable to commit to as a regular starter.
And yet his season alongside Chester resulted in only letting in 6 goals more than golden boy Terry and Chester
Baker, was is and always will be perfectly able Championship defender
And as already pointed out, selling him just so we could afford an old players wages for a year was utterly mental. Now we're left with neither
Villa won't be signing a replacement CB anytime soon. No money to play with.....more importantly, will the next tax bill and wages be paid at the end of the month? This is the reality of the situation. Meanwhile, where is the apology to the fans and reassurance for the future? Our twat of an owner is keeping his head low in Beijing.....
Villa won't be signing a replacement CB anytime soon. No money to play with.....more importantly, will the next tax bill and wages be paid at the end of the month? This is the reality of the situation. Meanwhile, where is the apology to the fans and reassurance for the future? Our twat of an owner is keeping his head low in Beijing.....
One paper over the weekend was linking us with Dan Burn from Wigan.
Mirrir reporting we're interested in Michael Hefele of Huddersfield Town.
Boaz Myhill a free agent.... do we go back over old ground?
Could do a lot worse than Gareth Macauley....
Could do a lot worse than Gareth Macauley....
I think its probably time for Jed Steer to step up to the plate to be honest
I might be alone but I’d have steer down as second choice behind SarkicI think its probably time for Jed Steer to step up to the plate to be honest
This. If he doesn't get the nod now he never will
If we have no realistic chance of the play offs, we should be giving the kids their chance this season. Steer, Sarkic battle for keeper role, Sulliman getting a chance, Mitchel Clark getting more game time, Doyle Hayes in midfield and RHM up top. A couple of them play really well they can then be sold to keep the club going again next summer.
If we have no realistic chance of the play offs, we should be giving the kids their chance this season. Steer, Sarkic battle for keeper role, Sulliman getting a chance, Mitchel Clark getting more game time, Doyle Hayes in midfield and RHM up top. A couple of them play really well they can then be sold to keep the club going again next summer.
What a sobering post!
Proud history, bright future!
Proud history, bright future!
Strong and stable !
Proud history, bright future!
I'm going to be ecstatic if we make it to Christmas 2018.
Possibly right.I might be alone but I’d have steer down as second choice behind SarkicI think its probably time for Jed Steer to step up to the plate to be honest
This. If he doesn't get the nod now he never will
I'm going to be ecstatic if we make it to Christmas 2018.
Merry Christmas, here's your winding up order.
There wouldn’t have been a signing-on fee: he was out of contract. I bet his wages were pretty insignificant relatively.The problem wasn't replacing Baker with Terry, it was signing Samba as the only backup meaning that, if we didn't go up we'd be left with Chester and Elphick (who Bruce clearly wanted out).
Samba didn't cost us anything though. We are now in a situation whereby we need to replace a first choice CB.
Didn't cost anything apart from a signing on fee and wages...
Let's say he's earned about £2m (£30k p/w wages, £500k in signing fees, bonuses, etc - I reckon that's reasonable) and we gave a chunk to his agent as well we probably spent the best part of £200k per game on him.Worth every penny!
Let's say he's earned about £2m (£30k p/w wages, £500k in signing fees, bonuses, etc - I reckon that's reasonable) and we gave a chunk to his agent as well we probably spent the best part of £200k per game on him.
A club paying Henri Lansbury and Ross McCormack £40k per week each was paying John Terry closer to £3k per week than £30k per week?
I'm sceptical.
A club paying Henri Lansbury and Ross McCormack £40k per week each was paying John Terry closer to £3k per week than £30k per week?
I'm sceptical.
Would have thought that if he has got a season left in him at Championship level, WBA would have given him a 1 year contract.
A club paying Henri Lansbury and Ross McCormack £40k per week each was paying John Terry closer to £3k per week than £30k per week?
I'm sceptical.
The figures were referring to Samba.
Bruce is thinking of summer shopping for Jiangsu Suning's Trent Sainsbury, 26 year old Aussie defender. You heard it here first.
Leo Bonatini apparently signing. So the rumours go
Leo Bonatini apparently signing. So the rumours go
Who he?
They said he started on fire then faded badly then found out wasn’t getting signed so form dipped even more.
Leo Bonatini apparently signing. So the rumours go
Keep Kodja & let Hogan go.
Leo Bonatini apparently signing. So the rumours go
We've needed someone who can play as a central striker, hold the ball up & link play for some time. Bruce's biggest mistake last season was not addressing this position. It was the main position we needed sorting & Bruce didn't do it. None of our forwards (except Davies) can play this role. If Bonatini is that man, I'd be happy.
Keep Kodja & let Hogan go.
I can't take anything seriously in this thread until we have an idea as to the future of the club.
Does anyone know when we're supposed to be back for pre-season? Leeds are back today, I guess our lot get a week or so extra due to the late season finish.
They said he started on fire then faded badly then found out wasn’t getting signed so form dipped even more.
Yes, he went through a stage where he seemed to be scoring every week then dried up a little. Would be a decent move if there's any truth in it.
I saw a quote re Bonatini that the club were happy with their forwards and were not looking to sign any more.
I saw a quote re Bonatini that the club were happy with their forwards and were not looking to sign any more.
You'd have to say with Kodjia, Hogan, Davis and RHM we're well stocked in that department.
Plus we have Fat Ross grazing in the reserve paddock
we're not buying anyone though, are we?
then they're going to be waiting until hell freezes over
has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
In short, no.
has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
In short, no.
pleasantly suprised it was £2 and not a pound
According to reports tonight we're so skint we can't even afford free transfers.
And you are a gigantically puffed up pompous twit.
has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
AndI guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
There are some players who haven't set foot on the pitch for months on double that.
AndI guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
There are some players who haven't set foot on the pitch for months on double that.
I could ask the same question about the money that goes into Bruce's account. It's irrelevant.I did not ask a question.
I don’t think I actually said that but.AndI guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
There are some players who haven't set foot on the pitch for months on double that.
You can't blame Bruce for the financial position of the club, or being paid his agreed salary. There are plenty of companies badly run their employees still get paid. The financial problem is not Bruce's fault.
I don’t think I actually said that but.AndI guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
There are some players who haven't set foot on the pitch for months on double that.
You can't blame Bruce for the financial position of the club, or being paid his agreed salary. There are plenty of companies badly run their employees still get paid. The financial problem is not Bruce's fault.
Who was the manager that failed to get us promoted?
AndI guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
There are some players who haven't set foot on the pitch for months on double that.
You can't blame Bruce for the financial position of the club, or being paid his agreed salary. There are plenty of companies badly run their employees still get paid. The financial problem is not Bruce's fault.
I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
yeah but after Tax, NI, expenses, company car tax etc he’ll be lucky to clear £80,000 of that
so come on have a heart
I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
yeah but after Tax, NI, expenses, company car tax etc he’ll be lucky to clear £80,000 of that
so come on have a heart
The £150K will be the amount after tax.
Bonitini has signed for Wolves permanently. Thank heavens for that.So had Benik Afobe 😂
I said turning up in his Bank Account not gross.I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
yeah but after Tax, NI, expenses, company car tax etc he’ll be lucky to clear £80,000 of that
so come on have a heart
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
eI said turning up in his Bank Account not gross.I guess the £150 grand turning up in his bank account every month lessens the frustration somewhat.has Bruce actually said he's pleasantly surprised by his transfer budget? Which would also confirm he's staying?
I very much doubt that even SB knows anywhere near the real truth of our financial state.
yeah but after Tax, NI, expenses, company car tax etc he’ll be lucky to clear £80,000 of that
so come on have a heart
This sloppy posting is intolerable.
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
Correct. Assuming he'll have some sort of bonus structure and image rights built in as well, I don't think £150K a month is probably that far out.
Cabbage Patch dolls are all the rage.What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
Correct. Assuming he'll have some sort of bonus structure and image rights built in as well, I don't think £150K a month is probably that far out.
Image rights, Steve Bruce, seriously?
What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
Correct. Assuming he'll have some sort of bonus structure and image rights built in as well, I don't think £150K a month is probably that far out.
Image rights, Steve Bruce, seriously?
Cabbage Patch dolls are all the rage.What's this about £150k p/m???If gross is 3 m and he pays 40% deductions then divide the balance by 12.
Assuming he's on PAYE and pays NI etc on a salary of £3m his take home each month would be £133,397.99
Correct. Assuming he'll have some sort of bonus structure and image rights built in as well, I don't think £150K a month is probably that far out.
Image rights, Steve Bruce, seriously?
Back on topic - Looks like Sam Johnstone (remember him?) is set to sign a £5m deal to go to West Brom while Foster goes to Watford.
You forget the income from his writing. "Let me go on, Gaffer, we are only five none down, I can win this for Spudchester" Thunderboots Billy begged. *laughs hysterically*
Back on topic - Looks like Sam Johnstone (remember him?) is set to sign a £5m deal to go to West Brom while Foster goes to Watford.
£5mil not bad price with his age should improve , kind of signing we should of been doing not wasting millions on old players wages ..
I agree...Saying that, Gollini was a steel for 3m. We should have utilised him more as our own, instead of giving experience to other teams younger players.
in his defense he scored 8 in 24 for Ipswich last season and his average works out around 1 in 3.6 games
in his defense he scored 8 in 24 for Ipswich last season and his average works out around 1 in 3.6 games
I remember us signing a well travelled, ordinary centre forward once. I hope that this one has the same, relative, success :-)
in his defense he scored 8 in 24 for Ipswich last season and his average works out around 1 in 3.6 games
I remember us signing a well travelled, ordinary centre forward once. I hope that this one has the same, relative, success :-)
McCormack?
:D
i thought he went right off the boil with us - the goal against Wolves was brilliant though
He didn't step up for play offs for whatever reason.
Still scored 9-10 goals for us and similar for Sunderland so 15-20 goal striker at this level so good pick up for one of those teams.
He didn't step up for play offs for whatever reason.
Still scored 9-10 goals for us and similar for Sunderland so 15-20 goal striker at this level so good pick up for one of those teams.
He's perfect at this level if you play to his strengths, which we did. I've got no problem with that. But he's not a great player that's worth 5m to us even if we had it. He certainly didn't step up in the play off final, but then again neither did Terry, Albert or Snoddy to name but four
A Grabban type loan would give us a more experienced option to Davis which wouldn't be a bad thing. Kodjia and Albert playing left and right side to a big target man
I'm not sure bringing in a 6th striker is the best way to spend what little money we may have.
It, sadly, really doesn't matter how useful or not, some of them are. There'll be PL sides that don't have 6 strikers in the first team squad, and it's that far too often our solution is to just bring in another one that has left us fucked with the wage bill. Unless we sell or get at least one out on loan then it would just show we've learnt nothing if we bring another one in.
I don't agree, I think a manager who plays to their strengths could form a solid attack with our players. If Grealish is to go then, for me, McCormack is the obvious replacement. Him as a 10 with Kodjia, Hogan and Adomah playing as a front 3 is as good as anyone will put out in this league next year. Add RHM, Green, O'Hare and Davis as backup/rotation options and I think it's our strongest part of the squad.
Behind them we'd need 2 fairly disciplined midfielders but as much as I think there's a lack of mobility 2 from Whelan, Jedi, Hourihane, Thor would be solid enough options, With Doyle-Hayes, Clarke and Lyden all, in my opinion, capable of coming in as cover.
Where we need to spend is, in my opinion, getting a decent centre back (to replace Terry and play alongside either Chester or Mad Tom if Chester leaves). If there's any money left after that I'd prioritise a left back because Taylor is fucking shite and whilst Hutton does a job defensively he offers absolutely nothing going forward and if he's playing behind Kodjia regularly that will become a problem.
Oddly I am quite optimistic about next season. Bloody good stuff Prozac.
With Bruce either gone or, without his shotguns Wyness and Round, obliged to be shall we say less inclined to view constructive criticism as hysteria, we have enough ability in the squad to hold our own in the Championship.
Quite looking forward to not having the luxury of throwing obscene sums of money around actually. Make the back room staff earn their wages.
Oddly I am quite optimistic about next season. Bloody good stuff Prozac.
With Bruce either gone or, without his shotguns Wyness and Round, obliged to be shall we say less inclined to view constructive criticism as hysteria, we have enough ability in the squad to hold our own in the Championship.
Quite looking forward to not having the luxury of throwing obscene sums of money around actually. Make the back room staff earn their wages.
This year we're going to be forced to use our youth team more, which is what I've wanted all along. Will it mean we get promoted? I have no idea. But I'll be able to support, for example, Easah Suliman with a lot more gusto than I was able to muster up for people like John Terry. And other than relegation, the measure of success in the league is either promotion or no promotion, so the kids can't really do much worse than we've done over the last two years.
Has Abel Hernandez gone anywhere yet?
Huth being linked again. Dad's army part two!
I think we will go 343.
Time to build a new playing style?
Since we’re stripped back and need to rebuild, how about 352?
Steer
Elphick Chester Axel
Bree. Lansbury Thor Hourihane Hutton
Kodjia Green
We’ve lost a winger in snod’s. We’re going to sell at least one striker. We will lose jack.
Just means we need to get more defenders and our depth is still impressive.
Green can play the ‘Sterling’ role
I thinks back 3 would suit Elphick.
Walker plays a sweeper role follow McGuire and Stones to transition the ball into midfield more comfortably and safely. I wouldn't be adverse to a system like that, but I'd have Adomah as the wing back and Hutton as the sweeper.
Elphick has had more than enough chances. If he is starting games for us this season, I'm going to be worried.
He started 3 league games, the 0-0 against Millwall where Johnstone was MOTM, the 5-0 over Bristol City where they gave up after 10 mins and the 1-0 win at Boro. A world of difference between those 3 and him being the main CB for 46 games imo.
Did well when Terry was injured? I genuinely don't remember that. He's shite. He's been shite since he signed. He should be nowhere near the team or we are virtually starting every game a goal behind.
Genuinely don't remember posting that.
Seems we are stuck with Dr Doom and our feckless manager and need to sell players.
Have seen Hogan, and Kodjia linked with moves today, as well as Grealish.
I see Leicester are looking at paying over £20m for a young midfielder at Norwich. If that is the case then Grealish should be going for upwards of £30m. If the reports of Spurs only offering £12m are accurate, then I would rather we keep him and take a points deduction.
I would be delighted if some mug took Hogan off our hands, but reports I have seen have that down as a loan. So no money comes in but we cut the wage bill. Not great but the upside is that Bruce can't play him.
I like Kodjia but tbh if we got offered anything over £8m we should take it, he doesn't look as good since his injury.
If all those left we would still have McCormack, RHM and Davis which is a reasonable set of strikers. RHM could be really good, but we will never know if we keep playing dreck like Hogan instead of giving him a chance.
That's a very sobering post Northern Soul. Truly dreadful squad that could flirt with relegation if we're not careful.
That's a very sobering post Northern Soul. Truly dreadful squad that could flirt with relegation if we're not careful.
That might not be the squad we end up with though. We might not lose all the players ANS predicts we will.
Time to build a new playing style?
Since we’re stripped back and need to rebuild, how about 352?
Steer
Elphick Chester Axel
Bree. Lansbury Thor Hourihane Hutton
Kodjia Green
We’ve lost a winger in snod’s. We’re going to sell at least one striker. We will lose jack.
Just means we need to get more defenders and our depth is still impressive.
Green can play the ‘Sterling’ role
Time to build a new playing style?
Since we’re stripped back and need to rebuild, how about 352?
Steer
Elphick Chester Axel
Bree. Lansbury Thor Hourihane Hutton
Kodjia Green
We’ve lost a winger in snod’s. We’re going to sell at least one striker. We will lose jack.
Just means we need to get more defenders and our depth is still impressive.
Green can play the ‘Sterling’ role
After England's adoption of a back three this summer, I think it will probably be in vogue this coming season. De Laet could be used as a CB in a back three and so could Jedinak I suppose.
I thought that last season we had almost sorted the level of income v expenditure for FFP and it was just the drag from the previous seasons that was the problem. If that is the case, our wages this season will be less than last and with only the loss of income from parachute payments to make up, we should not be losing money unless we sell players for less than book value. Would a fine for failing FFP come in at the end of this season. If so, are we not better holding off on a fire sale until Xmas or even end of season if agreements on sales are made at Xmas.
So the transfer window closes on 9th August but we can do loan deals until end of August. With everything that has gone on since Wembley I would guess we won’t buying in this window, just evaluate what finances we have generated by the end of 9th & then maybe look to bring a couple of loans or free agents after that?
I’m one who flip flops on Bruce most weeks but I would hope one thing that will be handy is his relationships with like of Mourinho to bring in a couple of loans players ie Axel if the coaches were impressed with him on previous loan.
I’d expect Chester & Jack to go so we would definitely need a centre half or two in & also hopefully an extra pace option to play out wide.
Or, put another way, we certainly won't see anyone coming in until we've sold Grealish and maybe one or two others for a decent fee.
I notice the rag papers are coming out with their sensationalist pile of wank again saying we were 'signing' Fellaini, Hernandez from West Ham and Delaney from Dortmund if we'd gone up, in an 'oh what a pity' kind of way.
We should close this thread. Listening to people talk about signings is like watching crack addicts arguing over where the next hit is coming from. We haven’t got any money, we’re in the largest of all FFP holes and the last thing we need is to bring in anyone else. The Manager should be forced to only rely on loans and work with the squad he has inherited and built along with some promising but unproven U23s. We as fans have got to get out of this habit of thinking rich owner = splash the cash, it’s killing us.
Sheffield United are linked with Hogan, A fair few posters on here would carry him there (*cough* Risso *cough*) if we got an offer of more than about £4m. Personally I'd love him to go if only because it would force Bruce to use RHM who should've got 10-12 games under his belt last season given his form for the U23s.
Sheffield United are linked with Hogan, A fair few posters on here would carry him there (*cough* Risso *cough*) if we got an offer of more than about £4m. Personally I'd love him to go if only because it would force Bruce to use RHM who should've got 10-12 games under his belt last season given his form for the U23s.
And he's already crocked again. RHM sent home along with a couple of others, Hogan also injured.
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
At least Bruce said he will wheel and deal and look for bargain players. Not a lot in the coffers but he hasn't said we are closed to incomings. I think most business will be done early August. Great pity that there seems only one club is in for Grealish.Will have to be solely loan deals for us then as the window shuts 9th August
Sheffield United are linked with Hogan, A fair few posters on here would carry him there (*cough* Risso *cough*) if we got an offer of more than about £4m. Personally I'd love him to go if only because it would force Bruce to use RHM who should've got 10-12 games under his belt last season given his form for the U23s.
I stand correct but I don't think RHM even played much more than 12 games for the U23's last season. He spent most of it injured.
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
Thor will be a big player for us this season.
Can De Laet play CB?
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
The offer to buy at last season's prices ended long before the season ended, so probably not.So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
Thor will be a big player for us this season.
Can De Laet play CB?
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
Thor will be a big player for us this season.
Can De Laet play CB?
I suspect Thor will be sold , one of few players at a good age we can sell and not make a loss on ..we have no hope of shifting Jed and Whelan on their contracts and can't afford 3 DM in squad
Tommy Docs famous line about Villa fans might become a reality
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
Who cares given the point being made was that there was no suggestion that we were fucked and would be selling our best players if we weren't promoted.
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
Who cares given the point being made was that there was no suggestion that we were fucked and would be selling our best players if we weren't promoted.
What does any of it have precisely to do with whether you'd renew or not?
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
Thor will be a big player for us this season.
Can De Laet play CB?
Bit short surely? Did he play much on loan last season?
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
Who cares given the point being made was that there was no suggestion that we were fucked and would be selling our best players if we weren't promoted.
Might be worth pushing Hourihane further forward next season, where Grealish played. Can score and create goals.
Means finding a genuine #8 from the youths or a lucky dip. How far off is Doyle-Hayes? I dread to think Lansbury will be a regular starter for us next term, breathing out his arse after 60 mins...Tshibola will hardly turn around his Villa career at this stage
Thor will be a big player for us this season.
Can De Laet play CB?
Bit short surely? Did he play much on loan last season?
RDL is taller than Chester
Chester is about the same height as me, albeit not as wide
Don't forget, we are supposed to be having Axel back on loan
Don't forget, we are supposed to be having Axel back on loan
Hope not, he was shite. Would rather see Mitch Clark, Suliman or Bedeau given a chance tbh.
Don't forget, we are supposed to be having Axel back on loan
Hope not, he was shite. Would rather see Mitch Clark, Suliman or Bedeau given a chance tbh.
We never saw him at Centre Half, he might be ok
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
So Bruce and Xia feel it important to be open and honest with the fans. Funny they didn't feel the need to be so when they were flogging off twenty thousand odd season tickets.
Had we even played the play off final when most of them were purchased?
And what difference should it make how good or bad we are?
Who cares given the point being made was that there was no suggestion that we were fucked and would be selling our best players if we weren't promoted.
What does any of it have precisely to do with whether you'd renew or not?
Personally nothing, i can't comment for other people though. However a manager seemingly waiting for the sack and our best players sold or moved on may well be enough for some people to decide not to bother.
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
I said a couple of years back that I didn't think we'd really sort ourselves out until the money had run out, well we're there now so let's see.
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
Can't see a team with half of them being kids getting 80 + points.
I can see Hourihane going too.
I can see Hourihane going too.
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
Can't see a team with half of them being kids getting 80 + points.
With a new manager maybe Brian Green, but not with the current one
Team nowhere near as good as last season? Given a managerial shake up in the form of a new manager or the old one forced to acknowledge and act upon his shortcomings, Aston Villa could surprise a few next season. Every sport is full of teams with limited money using intelligence, commitment, self belief and team spirit to dominate money built outfits.
Can't see a team with half of them being kids getting 80 + points.
With a new manager maybe Brian Green, but not with the current one
I like Brian but not sure he has finished all of his coaching badges.
I can see Hourihane going too.
Who else would pay him 20 grand a week?
I can see Hourihane going too.
Who else would pay him 20 grand a week?
A goal scoring midfielder, Irish international. I'd have thought a few.
See Jedinak is being linked with a move away today (Evening Mail), thugh a bit light on detail (they are not sure what country he would be moving too).
In two minds on this. I like Jedinak and he has some good qualities, but playing him means we have to have at least two more central midfielders as he is too immobile to be effective in a 4-4-2. Big earner which would be handy to get wages down, but also a great leader on the pitch which I think we need especially having just lost Terry.
Another from Cork! Assume he is developmental as he's only 17 isn't he?
I would definitely be looking to keep Jedinak. I know he'll be on a high salary, but he's not going to fetch much of a transfer fee to add to the coffers immediately, which some like BB probably would. His ability to play at CM or CM is also going to be important and, as others have said, we're going to desperately need his leadership qualities this season.
I'd be happy to move on 2 from BB, Jedi and Whelan and then use Lyden as the backup. BB probably has some value so he's the obvious choice but for the other 2 I'd be happy with which ever we can get an offer for. If we got offers for both I'd keep Jedi, despite his faults, because his aerial ability is very valuable but I don't think any of our centre mids are irreplaceable (i'm not counting Grealish here) so if we can get enough ffp saving by letting a few of them go so that we don't need to sell chester or kodjia then it would be very happy.
I would definitely be looking to keep Jedinak. I know he'll be on a high salary, but he's not going to fetch much of a transfer fee to add to the coffers immediately, which some like BB probably would. His ability to play at CM or CM is also going to be important and, as others have said, we're going to desperately need his leadership qualities this season.
I would guess that Jedinak is easily the highest earner out of the current options for those positions though.
ssuming that Jedinak's on circa £40k per week, selling BB for anything over £2m would make us more cash. Short-termism, sure, but that's that way we've got to approach it I presume.
ssuming that Jedinak's on circa £40k per week, selling BB for anything over £2m would make us more cash. Short-termism, sure, but that's that way we've got to approach it I presume.
We paid £4m for Jedinak, presumably on a three or four year contract. So we would need a fee of either £1.33m or £1m (depending on how much contract the outlay was amortised over) to not show a loss on the books for FFP
This is the position we are in, where oftentimes selling a player will make the books worse even though it improves our real cash position. It also shows the folly of paying fees for and issuing contracts to players in their 30s.
I would expect to see a few players go 'on loan' and the transfer happen a year later, like we saw with Golini and Sanchez. This allows the amortised value to drop top a point where the club don't have to put the loss on the books.
ssuming that Jedinak's on circa £40k per week, selling BB for anything over £2m would make us more cash. Short-termism, sure, but that's that way we've got to approach it I presume.
We paid £4m for Jedinak, presumably on a three or four year contract.
Keep him. Covers two positions, one is already weak. Leader, old head, good influence on younger players and a bit of a cult figure. Fuck Whelan off instead.
why keep using other teams players .
Problem with that is that we'd have no transfer value. One of the many reasons the modern game is screwed.
Stoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
Stoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
Stoke can fuck right off
Crump gets the hump over Trump the ChumpStoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
Stoke can fuck right off
As can Trump ( I know it’s the wrong thread)
Championship crisis club Aston Villa are reportedly interested in signing striker Sam Gallagher on loan from Premier League Southampton.
i hope not . must be rubbish fake crap as Bruce as RHM and Davis at the Villa . why keep using other teams players .
mooted swap deal with Davis going to Sparky Saints
Davis will come back to haunt us if we sell him dead cheap. He could be worth a fortune in a season or two.
In the Championship, we should not be offering contracts over 2 years to any players other than the young ones. We should be offering a review at the end of year one and extending by another year if we want to (a bit like a 2 year rolling contract).
At this level, no player is indispensable and if the player doesn't want to extend, we either look to sell or let the contract wind down.
In the Championship, we should not be offering contracts over 2 years to any players other than the young ones. We should be offering a review at the end of year one and extending by another year if we want to (a bit like a 2 year rolling contract).
At this level, no player is indispensable and if the player doesn't want to extend, we either look to sell or let the contract wind down.
That's all well and good and to an extent I agree but the player has to agree to it and I stand correct but we've not dished out many 4 year contracts lately. It's been mainly 3 years which is standard. Like I said, I may be wrong.
Stoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
In the Championship, we should not be offering contracts over 2 years to any players other than the young ones. We should be offering a review at the end of year one and extending by another year if we want to (a bit like a 2 year rolling contract).
At this level, no player is indispensable and if the player doesn't want to extend, we either look to sell or let the contract wind down.
That's all well and good and to an extent I agree but the player has to agree to it and I stand correct but we've not dished out many 4 year contracts lately. It's been mainly 3 years which is standard. Like I said, I may be wrong.
Hogan’s on a 4 and a ½ year contract. 4 and a ½ years.
Championship crisis club Aston Villa are reportedly interested in signing striker Sam Gallagher on loan from Premier League Southampton.
i hope not . must be rubbish fake crap as Bruce as RHM and Davis at the Villa . why keep using other teams players .
Was in Birmingham Mail. Apparently SB wants two targetman striking options in his squad which gives you a hint that the direct football will be continuing next season and Hogan will continue to look lost when played.
Stoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
Stoke bid five mill for Chester? Why bother wasting people’s time? Best defender in the championship last season! At least make it interesting.
Probably one for our resident statto, but other than us, what's the most any EFL club has paid any other EFL club for a player?
The official interview with Chester doesn’t bode well. When they started asking about the togetherness and the fans he looked like he was going to cry. I’m no body language expert but it looks like he’s off.
he's way too good for Stoke
I really like James Chester - a top professional who will be keenly missed
I really like James Chester - a top professional who will be keenly missed
He's not departed.
he's way too good for Stoke
Chester was too good for the Championship at the point he was signed by Villa. However, remaining in the midlands seems more important to him than Premier League football.
How would people feel if he goes to say Chelsea or Spurs and they then proceed to loan him out to say Stoke or Swansea or worse still the Albion.
I would be spitting feathers!
How would people feel if Grealish goes to say Chelsea or Spurs and they then proceed to loan him out to say Stoke or Swansea or worse still the Albion.
I would be spitting feathers!
...Some say I'm a dreamer
...Some say I'm a dreamer
But you're not the only one
How would people feel if Grealish goes to say Chelsea or Spurs and they then proceed to loan him out to say Stoke or Swansea or worse still the Albion.
I would be spitting feathers!
Me too but I really can’t see him agreeing to that, what would be the benefit from his point of view?
Marney training with VillaAnd his reply was “Villa are Back”
Dean Marney is training with Aston Villa this week after leaving Burnley, writes James Nursey.
The experienced midfielder,34, was released by the Clarets this summer after an eight year spell.
The former Tottenham trainee and Hull ace has made 96 Premier League appearances.
Marney was Burnley ‘s second longest-serving player behind Kevin Long but struggled to regain his place after a cruciate knee injury in
January 2017.
Now Championship clubs including Nottingham Forest have expressed an interest in him.
Bruce is first to have a close look but will have to be patient as Villa’s cash crisis means they cannot afford to sign anyone.
But Bruce is hoping the expected sale of Jack Grealish to Spurs, and potentially James Chester to Stoke , plus other exits , will release funds for some budget incomings
How would people feel if Grealish goes to say Chelsea or Spurs and they then proceed to loan him out to say Stoke or Swansea or worse still the Albion.
I would be spitting feathers!
Me too but I really can’t see him agreeing to that, what would be the benefit from his point of view?
Game time and Money are the only things I could see
Just sent this to my mate, from the MirrorQuoteMarney training with VillaAnd his reply was “Villa are Back”
Dean Marney is training with Aston Villa this week after leaving Burnley, writes James Nursey.
The experienced midfielder,34, was released by the Clarets this summer after an eight year spell.
The former Tottenham trainee and Hull ace has made 96 Premier League appearances.
Marney was Burnley ‘s second longest-serving player behind Kevin Long but struggled to regain his place after a cruciate knee injury in
January 2017.
Now Championship clubs including Nottingham Forest have expressed an interest in him.
Bruce is first to have a close look but will have to be patient as Villa’s cash crisis means they cannot afford to sign anyone.
But Bruce is hoping the expected sale of Jack Grealish to Spurs, and potentially James Chester to Stoke , plus other exits , will release funds for some budget incomings
:)
Did SB sign him for Hull?
Central midfield is by far our strongest area currently so don't see the point in us signing him.
Did SB sign him for Hull?
Central midfield is by far our strongest area currently so don't see the point in us signing him.
more importantly that would be 3 34 year olds as the core of our midfield, how short sighted is that?
Did SB sign him for Hull?
Central midfield is by far our strongest area currently so don't see the point in us signing him.
more importantly that would be 3 34 year olds as the core of our midfield, how short sighted is that?
Lessons just aren't being learnt are they?
Did SB sign him for Hull?
Central midfield is by far our strongest area currently so don't see the point in us signing him.
more importantly that would be 3 34 year olds as the core of our midfield, how short sighted is that?
Lessons just aren't being learnt are they?
Are we trying to attain the oldest team ever to play in the championship?
Let's hope he's just training with us.
The only thing to make this any worse would be if Dean Marney was played at right back?
Sounds awful. A poor man's Jay Spearing !
Absolutely.Let's hope he's just training with us.
Like Samba was before we decided that he was perfect to be the only cover for a 36/37 year old who'd spent a large part of the previous season out injured.
I hope your right, but I just don't trust Bruce not to fill the squad with 'cheap' experience at the expense of our younger players, again.
Dean Fucking Marney. As if having many 30+ players wasn’t enough he’s giving a trial to get another one. Will this fucking manager never learn. We’re skint so instead of using what he has once again goes down the path of bringing in a has been or in this case never was. I pray this is just a favour and not anything more than that.
Dave, initially Chris Samba was only “training” with us. If Bruce had no previous with this kind of stuff or signing old men I’d be perfectly relaxed. But I’m not because he’ll probably sell Jedinak and bring in this bloke.
Now that Terry's gone I think we might put in a Bid for Steve Bannon. Been there, done it, seen it all. Would prove an excellent example to the kids, having been at the top level.
Now that Terry's gone I think we might put in a Bid for Steve Bannon. Been there, done it, seen it all. Would prove an excellent example to the kids, having been at the top level.Is he a good man?
Now that Terry's gone I think we might put in a Bid for Steve Bannon. Been there, done it, seen it all. Would prove an excellent example to the kids, having been at the top level.Is he a good man?
Now that Terry's gone I think we might put in a Bid for Steve Bannon. Been there, done it, seen it all. Would prove an excellent example to the kids, having been at the top level.Is he a good man?
He's extremely right-wing but also very professional.
Reo Coker and Kieran Richardson have played friendlies for Olbiyun this summer.
He'll be one of those that you hear his name mentioned in twenty years, having not even thought about him in the meantime. Not necessarily really bad, just utterly forgettable.
The 2010s version of Oyvind Leonhardsen.
So far we've Grealish, Kodjia, Albert, BB, Chester and Jedi all linked with moves away.
That's the best part of £60m. The question is how many will actually leave.
So far we've Grealish, Kodjia, Albert, BB, Chester and Jedi all linked with moves away.
That's the best part of £60m. The question is how many will actually leave.
I'm guessing all six, but for nowhere near 60m
Grealish 20m
Kodjia 8m
Albert 6m
Chester 8m
Jedi 2m
Just random guesses of course
So far we've Grealish, Kodjia, Albert, BB, Chester and Jedi all linked with moves away.
That's the best part of £60m. The question is how many will actually leave.
I'm guessing all six, but for nowhere near 60m
Grealish 20m
Kodjia 8m
Albert 6m
Chester 8m
Jedi 2m
Just random guesses of course
What are you valuing BB at then? That's £44m on the guys you listed, £4m seems to be the rumour, which would be £48, so it only needs you to be out by a fairly small amount for £60m to be a decent guess, if they all go I'd go along with £50-60m for the lot, even with the prices being a bit lower because people know we need the money. Once we've made a couple of sales the pressure to sell eases up and the prices go up.
Won't get £2m for Jedinak at his age and wages.
So far we've Grealish, Kodjia, Albert, BB, Chester and Jedi all linked with moves away.
That's the best part of £60m. The question is how many will actually leave.
I'm guessing all six, but for nowhere near 60m
Grealish 20m
Kodjia 8m
Albert 6m
Chester 8m
Jedi 2m
Just random guesses of course
Yep, I think you are about right.So far we've Grealish, Kodjia, Albert, BB, Chester and Jedi all linked with moves away.
That's the best part of £60m. The question is how many will actually leave.
I'm guessing all six, but for nowhere near 60m
Grealish 20m
Kodjia 8m
Albert 6m
Chester 8m
Jedi 2m
Just random guesses of course
not saying your wrong because who knows but I would go
Grealish Worth - 40m Get - 18m
Kodja Worth. - 8m Get - 5m
Albert Worth - 5m. Get. - 3m
Chester. Worth - 15m. Get - 7m
Jedi. Worth - 2m. Get - 2m
BB. Worth - 1m. Get - 1.5 m
I make that a total 36.5m because of the fire sale 40m tops
Hope I'm miles out obvs
even by my standards that's overly pessimistic
Sorry John but the prices you've listed are silly because if they're what we're offered then there's absolutely no point in us selling them. Kodjia for example, if we sold him for £5m would give us an FFP credit of about £1m which is almost worthless to us so the only other reason to sell him would be because he's agitating for a move but that doesn't appear to be the case. I agree they might be tough to sell but there's no chance we're going to sell for no benefit unless Xia is, effectively, asset stripping and there's no suggestion that's where we are.
Sorry John but the prices you've listed are silly because if they're what we're offered then there's absolutely no point in us selling them. Kodjia for example, if we sold him for £5m would give us an FFP credit of about £1m which is almost worthless to us so the only other reason to sell him would be because he's agitating for a move but that doesn't appear to be the case. I agree they might be tough to sell but there's no chance we're going to sell for no benefit unless Xia is, effectively, asset stripping and there's no suggestion that's where we are.but if we are as desperate for cash as it sounds you could see them being sold irrespective of FFP needs
Why would only get a credit of £1 million if we sell a player for £5 million?
If Xia is still here at the start of the season, I think Green and Davis might leave too.
If Xia is still here at the start of the season, I think Green and Davis might leave too.
He won't be.
Why would only get a credit of £1 million if we sell a player for £5 million?
Klopp has now spent £410 million .... how depressing ...
Klopp has now spent £410 million .... how depressing ...
Klopp has now spent £410 million .... how depressing ...
I know they have a huge following of touristic fans but how do they manage that sort of outlay in a small timeframe of Klopp being there
teamtalk has the mirror saying jack to spuds for 20m next weekHa! loose change for our new owners. On your bike Levy, this ship has sailed!
Has the ink dried on the Ronaldo contract ? ;)No but a traffic bollard can.
Can Mbappe play alongside Hogan ?
It would be madness to get rid of Albert.
It would be madness to get rid of Albert.
I doubt we will be going 3-5-2 with Bruce in charge. It's way too imaginative for him.
I doubt we will be going 3-5-2 with Bruce in charge. It's way too imaginative for him.
Hasn't he been famous for playing a back three at every other club he's managed ?
I doubt we will be going 3-5-2 with Bruce in charge. It's way too imaginative for him.
When the transfer windows for Football League close ? I know Premier League is 5th August or something like that.
That seems a daft time to have it, when we are all at work! That said, at least we don't have to listen to Jim White gobbing on.
That seems a daft time to have it, when we are all at work! That said, at least we don't have to listen to Jim White gobbing on.
...but you'll miss Natalie Sawyers boobs. Apparently. Cough.
RDL being very quick ought to stop an overload out wide though, as you can dictate territory via his pace and the potential for a quick outlet ball.
RDL being very quick ought to stop an overload out wide though, as you can dictate territory via his pace and the potential for a quick outlet ball.
Yes, he should improve us greatly. If we can get away with losing just Jack from our prized assets we should be able to launch a pretty decent attempt at promotion.
3-5-2 isn't imaginative, it's a simple case of taking wide players away so you can overload centrally. The problem is that it very quickly becomes 5-3-2 against a team that pushes it's wingers high. If they're playing 433 in particular you give their full backs acres of space to play in. For a good tactical manager there are way's to address that, for someone like Bruce it just doesn't happen and you end up playing far too deep but still conceding too many chances.
I would like a centre back, creative player and a goalie. It looks Bruce is going to play 3-5-2 so we could assume something like:Steer
Hutton - Elphick - Chester
Elmo ------------------------ Taylor
Jedinak
Hourihane - Lansbury
Adomah - Kodjia
Is our current team
That seems a daft time to have it, when we are all at work! That said, at least we don't have to listen to Jim White gobbing on.
...but you'll miss Natalie Sawyers boobs. Apparently. Cough.
she's left Sky sports now
I would like a centre back, creative player and a goalie. It looks Bruce is going to play 3-5-2 so we could assume something like:Steer
Hutton - Elphick - Chester
Elmo ------------------------ Taylor
Jedinak
Hourihane - Lansbury
Adomah - Kodjia
Is our current team
I would like a centre back, creative player and a goalie. It looks Bruce is going to play 3-5-2 so we could assume something like:Steer
Hutton - Elphick - Chester
Elmo ------------------------ Taylor
Jedinak
Hourihane - Lansbury
Adomah - Kodjia
Is our current team
Thats got to be the slowest team in the league
Steer
Hutton - Chester - Clark
Elmo ------------------------ Green
Thor
Hourihane - Grealish
Hogan - Kodjia
I would like a centre back, creative player and a goalie. It looks Bruce is going to play 3-5-2 so we could assume something like:Please, not Lansbury... his is the perfect position to blood one of the youngsters.Steer
Hutton - Elphick - Chester
Elmo ------------------------ Taylor
Jedinak
Hourihane - Lansbury
Adomah - Kodjia
Is our current team
Steer
Hutton - Chester - Clark
Elmo ------------------------ Green
Thor
Hourihane - Grealish
Hogan - Kodjia
Could also be our team with players like Doyle-Hayes also coming through.
I think Hogan could look like a completely different player with another striker alongside him.
Steer
Hutton - Chester - RDL
Adomah - Jedinak - New signing or Green
Hourihane - Lyden/Doyle-Hayes/Clarke
Grealish
Kodjia
By going with more attacking players as wing backs it should counter them drawing too deep. RDL and Hutton are in there because they will naturally go a little wider. Jedinak is there for his heading as much as anything but can also step back to make a 4 if needed.
Midfield is where I think we need to see some of the kids. Given we have 3 who all look like they could do a decent job I'd just rotate between them for now. I've put Grealish further forward so he can wander round the pitch a little and get himself involved but he could easily drop back for the kids and we could bring in Hogan.
The main thing is that I want to get more mobility into the team.
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
https://twitter.com/i/status/989610443370057730
Cant for the life of me think why you would say that
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
I agree.
I would rather see Hutton and DeLaet swap places
At a (significantly) lower level obviously, Hutton’s actually a pretty similar player to Kyle Walker, who made a similar transition this summer. His one-on-one defending is actually very good – see both legs of the playoff semi-final for reference- and he has great recovery pace. I’ve always thought that he’s had a tendency to defend ‘too narrow’ as a full-back so playing on the right hand side of a back 3 should actually suit him.
Contrary to popular belief, I also think he’s pretty decent at carrying the ball out of defence. Granted, he’s useless once he’s past the halfway line, but in this position that’s as far as he should need to go on a regular basis!
I wouldn’t be too keen on having both him and RDL in a back 3 though. Would prefer Chester to play on the other-side and to bring in someone like Huth to play centrally. If Bruce stays, I reckon Tuanzebe will return. Form RDL’s pre-season performances so far, he could actually make an effective right wing-back.
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
In a 3 he'd be fine I think. That said I'd prefer if we'd just let him leave.
the thought of Alan Hutton trying to play as a CB is truly chilling
In a 3 he'd be fine I think. That said I'd prefer if we'd just let him leave.
Vorm or someone else must be lined up.Has Hart gone anywhere yet?
Vorm or someone else must be lined up.Has Hart gone anywhere yet?
I don't think he is that good !!Vorm or someone else must be lined up.Has Hart gone anywhere yet?
Hopefully, he’s terrible.
He was a good goalkeeper and he could be again.I don't think he is that good !!Vorm or someone else must be lined up.Has Hart gone anywhere yet?
Hopefully, he’s terrible.
I was enquiring out of curiosity rather than a desire to sign him
Although some keepers never recover once thier confidence goes. See Guzan BAnd almost certainly Karius L. I saw on RAWK Meltdown that some Liverpool fan had posted that Karius would walk into most other Premier League teams. Would he fuck. I wouldn't have him here either.
He’s definitely damaged but didn’t he have a concussion? Not sure how much that affected him but it might have.He certainly got a knock on the head, that's true. But it's not as if those were the first occasions he'd dropped a clanger. And he's dropped a couple since too.
He’s definitely damaged but didn’t he have a concussion? Not sure how much that affected him but it might have.
He’s definitely damaged but didn’t he have a concussion? Not sure how much that affected him but it might have.
Must have had concussion for two years then.
He's absolute mince.
I still wouldn't be against giving Steer number one spot up to xmas. Guy has been here 5 years and played well in cup games and also for Huddersfield in his loan a few seasons ago.
Guess though if the plan has changed to be in the mix for top 6 spot the club will go for more proven option.
And the Wolves have gone full on mental and agreed the buy out clause for Adama for £18m from Boro - I bet they think its Christmas
I would imagine we have some sell on clause involvement that may help
And the Wolves have gone full on mental and agreed the buy out clause for Adama for £18m from Boro - I bet they think its Christmas
I would imagine we have some sell on clause involvement that may help
We'll get £3m-£4m...
And the Wolves have gone full on mental and agreed the buy out clause for Adama for £18m from Boro - I bet they think its Christmas
I would imagine we have some sell on clause involvement that may help
We'll get £3m-£4m...
He’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Maybe a decent coach will get the best of him but the impression I get is that his brain doesn’t work anything like as quickly as his feet.
He really wasn't at 21/22. It's why he was called Back of the Holte as that's where most of his crosses ended up. But like Adama when he got it right he was a joy to watch. And as he got older he became more consistent.
I don't get the stick Adama gets, he's no more erratic than Tony 'Back of the Holte' Daley was at that age. But they are the type of players I love watching because when they get it right they are unstoppable. You just have to accept that they'll get it wrong a lot of the time.
I thought Glen Murray was an important player for Brighton last season. I wouldn’t have thought he would be surplus to requirements.
I thought Glen Murray was an important player for Brighton last season. I wouldn’t have thought he would be surplus to requirements.I get that ! But that was last season !
Good player Murray but I'd rather have Hugill or Hernandez. More mobile.
Good player Murray but I'd rather have Hugill or Hernandez. More mobile.
Always felt Nali Wells would end up at villa . Not sure what he's up to at Burnley ?
Matt Ritchie would be good as would Ruddy or Hart or Forster for GK .
Basically prem players who won't be regulars but would be with villa.
I would be concerned on GK in part due to steer awful luck with injuries .
Think another GK is needed.
I like to think some imaginative loan signings and some good bargains picked up but will have to see .
One thing I hope we don't buy any more right backs,!
As I said on another thread, Huth and Hernadez before the window closes are guaranteed, they are straight out of the Bruce lazy scouting book.
Now that Bruce is on board let’s now see exactly what happens. We will sell Jack, maybe a few others. We need to get younger, faster and more energetic throughout the squad. We need to buy intelligently. I really hope that the next move is to bring in a day to day Chairman/Chief exec with a long term plan and vision which does not include loading the club full of old players.
I’m tired of Bruce but if it’s him he needs to be forced to go in a different direction so even if he gets fired (which I expect he will be) that the next manager benefits from the signings.
As I said on another thread, Huth and Hernadez before the window closes are guaranteed, they are straight out of the Bruce lazy scouting book.
As I said on another thread, Huth and Hernadez before the window closes are guaranteed, they are straight out of the Bruce lazy scouting book.
I'd take them both right now.
I don't think you can be too negative about either of those two given where we are - however I can't see Hernandez coming in unless he lowers his financial demands
uAs I said on another thread, Huth and Hernadez before the window closes are guaranteed, they are straight out of the Bruce lazy scouting book.
I'd take them both right now.
Quite. Huth is an old head and has experience of winning the league.
Hernandez has scored goals.
What's not to like?
The bottom bit is, for me, why this stupid change will last 1 season. Players in England can still be bid for by top European sides for weeks and it'll only need 1 or 2 to have their heads turned and decide to push for a move before the league realise how stupid the whole thing is. It was designed to stop the prolonged sagas but almost every year at least one of the major issues involves a player who's been targeted by Real or Barca and this does nothing to address that.
Adding the ability to sign loans until the end of August still doesn't help matters either, it means there's still a good chance that sides will change significantly between the first game and the start of September.
The bottom bit is, for me, why this stupid change will last 1 season. Players in England can still be bid for by top European sides for weeks and it'll only need 1 or 2 to have their heads turned and decide to push for a move before the league realise how stupid the whole thing is. It was designed to stop the prolonged sagas but almost every year at least one of the major issues involves a player who's been targeted by Real or Barca and this does nothing to address that.
Adding the ability to sign loans until the end of August still doesn't help matters either, it means there's still a good chance that sides will change significantly between the first game and the start of September.
Nothing to worry about for us for a while then....
Separately though, players can have their head turned but what sort of club will release someone if they can't replace?
Just like to highlight and share the info on transfer window
Probably most aware that the transfer window for permanent transfers closes on Thursday 9 August at 17:00
I also like to highlight
Villa will still be able to sign players on loan until 31 August.
( all 72 efl clubs can do this)
will also be able transfer players out to clubs in leagues where the window remains open with European leagues still able to buy and sell until 31 August.
We need pace. 3-5-2 is impossible to sustain with our squad too.
4-1-2-3 is our best formation. We need to get Green in on the wing and sign 2 other pacey forwards, something I have been banging on about for 2 summers now. Never seen such a slow side.
Huth would be a decent free at the back to play with Chester.
Need a keeper and a left back desperately.
After watching last night, I'd say the priority is a new goalie and a striker.
Peter Crouch anyone ?
Just trying to think of other big hold up types .
According to Twitter, we are in for Athletico Madrid 'Keeper André Moreira on a season long loan.
Is this right that Snodgrass was at the friendly the other day? I would welcome him back if they weren't taking the piss on a fee.Just raised this on the Snodgrass thread!
Peter Crouch anyone ?
Just trying to think of other big hold up types .
Charlie Austin would make the treatment room look good.
Yes the medical guy has named him, so he must be pencilled in.
Anybody know anything about him?
Yes the medical guy has named him, so he must be pencilled in.
Anybody know anything about him?
He's a goalie and he plays for Athletico Madrid.
Yes the medical guy has named him, so he must be pencilled in.
Anybody know anything about him?
He's a goalie and he plays for Athletico Madrid.
Considering we are so slow working the ball forward (unless it is a long ball), I am amazed that we struggle to get players into the box.
Yes the medical guy has named him, so he must be pencilled in.
Anybody know anything about him?
Jack Marriott and Grabban in on permanents.
God knows who else as 5-6 of this team won't be back for various reasons.
Jack Marriott and Grabban in on permanents.
God knows who else as 5-6 of this team won't be back for various reasons.
Where did you see this? Not so impressed with Grabban, Not too sure about Marriot either.
Time for an Andre Moreira thread?
For Left Back I reckon Jay Dasilva from Chelsea would be worth a look. He was at Charlton last year and apparently played very well, he's very highly thought of with England and he has a reputation for being quick and strong and having a great touch. He's supposed to be available on loan, with Derby already linked earlier in the summer.
Fraser Forster available at Southampton. Good gk cover.
Really hoping we offer Terry something.
Really hoping we offer Terry something.
That would be good stuff and hold out hope for snoddy too . Despite his pre season form he won't dislodge Yarmelenko
Really hoping we offer Terry something.
Really hoping we offer Terry something.
That would be good stuff and hold out hope for snoddy too . Despite his pre season form he won't dislodge Yarmelenko
I think that both of them, whilst good , are too old for what we should be looking for.
Really hoping we offer Terry something.
That would be good stuff and hold out hope for snoddy too . Despite his pre season form he won't dislodge Yarmelenko
I think that both of them, whilst good , are too old for what we should be looking for.
Maybe you're right. Just tried and tested.
I take Jason puncheon on loan despite being 32 . Glenn murray . Huth .crouch . Even Jon walters
Savvy moves would be for cathcart at Watford central defender similar to chester
Great pro.
Charlie Taylor Burnley. Left back
Reece Oxford West Ham ,
Calum Chambers .arsenal
Strikers
Ayite fulham ,
Hugil west ham ,
Wells Burnley,
Wickham palace ,
kachunga Huddersfield
But no Frasier Campbell, David Nugent, Dean Marney . Jon Flanagan types
Personally would like some Maguire , clucas , Robertson gems that Bruce made claims he pulled out the bag and signed
Scour the Scots league and leagues 1 and 2 .
Coventry city have some bright dynamic players dare I say .
Fraser Forster available at Southampton. Good gk cover.
Although Terry is old, we saw what he did last season. Age did not effect the reading of the game. If we can get him for lower wages we should definitely get him. He changed the whole attitude of the club and was a leader on and off it. One more season to help us get promoted would be fantastic.
Although Terry is old, we saw what he did last season. Age did not effect the reading of the game. If we can get him for lower wages we should definitely get him. He changed the whole attitude of the club and was a leader on and off it. One more season to help us get promoted would be fantastic.
The problem is, his lack of pace was part of the reason that we defended very deep which meant the striker became isolated far too often. That's the main reason why we were rarely convincing, even when winning.
Although Terry is old, we saw what he did last season. Age did not effect the reading of the game. If we can get him for lower wages we should definitely get him. He changed the whole attitude of the club and was a leader on and off it. One more season to help us get promoted would be fantastic.
The problem is, his lack of pace was part of the reason that we defended very deep which meant the striker became isolated far too often. That's the main reason why we were rarely convincing, even when winning.
well he's never been fast even at his peak and that didn't hamper him. End of the day though, he's 37, isn't going to get better or play every week and we need a long term central defence pairing. i know his influence off the pitch was important, but barring a coaching role, with the occasional appearance for injuries, i can't see the point.
Vinagre or something like that.
I'd like Terry back and ideally Snodders as well for continuity. That team last season almost cracked it. With a fit Kodjia and Green added to it and a good replacement for Johnstone i'd be confident we'd go up.
I'd like Terry back and ideally Snodders as well for continuity. That team last season almost cracked it. With a fit Kodjia and Green added to it and a good replacement for Johnstone i'd be confident we'd go up.
The annoying this is there will be genuinely be people in two weeks time saying "why aren't these new owners putting their money where their mouth is?"
The annoying this is there will be genuinely be people in two weeks time saying "why aren't these new owners putting their money where their mouth is?"
Being linked some Wolves left back, also from the Mendes stable. Perhaps we need a list of his cheap players so we can play 'guess the loan'.
Being linked some Wolves left back, also from the Mendes stable. Perhaps we need a list of his cheap players so we can play 'guess the loan'.
Matt Doherty impressed me from their lot when we played back in Spring at VP.
Think it was his surging run and ball inside that led to their goal. I expect with that sort of name he isn't a Mendes player though.
Jesus every time I see the team sheet come out for a friendly I think we need several additions.
2 centre halves, left back and striker as a minimum are needed.#
I didn't see anything in Tuanzebe that made me want to have him back this season.
I didn't see anything in Tuanzebe that made me want to have him back this season.
I didn't see anything in Tuanzebe that made me want to have him back this season.
I didn't see anything in Tuanzebe that made me want to have him back this season.
He was played at RB and although it is claimed that he can play there, his position is in the centre of defence. With his pace and strength, he could be an attribute if we continue with 3 central defenders.
I didn't see anything in Tuanzebe that made me want to have him back this season.
Nixon is reporting we're becoming pally with Mendes for loan to buys.
Oh well, can't beat em', join em'.
Which would be good, but doesn’t solve our pace problem.
Which would be good, but doesn’t solve our pace problem.
And it would push Green a bit further down the pecking order.
It's a 46 game season so having Green, Snoddy and Albert would be very strong.
It's a 46 game season so having Green, Snoddy and Albert would be very strong.
Until the latter two run out of steam again.
It's a 46 game season so having Green, Snoddy and Albert would be very strong.
Until the latter two run out of steam again.
If Green maintains fitness, then here unlikely to play the same number of minutes. It's the reason you'd want three, not two, wide options.
If we played 3-5-2, I think Snodgrass could play either off the main striker or centre right midfield. I think we can find a role for him even if we were playing a different formation.
It’s possible he was looking at that formation to get the best out of what players who thought he would have pre sale of the club. I hope vs Hull he will go to the formation we had yesterday second half vs Dresden. Much more balanced; ideally RDL RB and Hutton LB, Chester and Jedinak in the middle.
Steve Bruce has launched a bid to sign Liverpool’s Ben Woodburn on loan, with the Wales international set to be withdrawn from Jurgen Klopp’s training camp in France.
Aston Villa are in talks with Liverpool over a deal to take Woodburn for the season, as the club prepares for a transfer embargo to be removed in the next few days.
Telegraph Sport can reveal that Villa have been operating under an embargo imposed by the Football League amid their cash crisis under former chairman Dr Tony Xia.
But new Villa owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens have since provided the EFL with assurances over future funding and the Championship club will be free to make new signings this week.
Villa have made contact with Liverpool over a loan deal for Woodburn, the 18-year-old attacker, and are understood to be the favourites to sign him.
Liverpool fly out to a training camp in Evian on Monday but Woodburn is not travelling with the squad and his future will be decided before the weekend.
Klopp is a huge fan of the teenager - who signed a long-term contract last year - but believes his career would benefit from a loan spell in the Championship.
Sheffield United and Wigan have also asked about taking Woodburn on loan but Villa are now believed to be in the box seat.
Woodburn became the third youngest Liverpool debutant in the club’s history when he appeared against Sunderland in November 2016.
Medes working on your deals from his Gestifrute stable for us apparently.
If we don't go into the season playing 352 then Bruce has wasted pre-season playing it instead of seeing how players can move about in a formation we're actually going to use.
Leeds paying £7m for Bamford wtf?!?
Embargo makes sense when you're struggling to pay the taxman & wages.
Leeds paying £7m for Bamford wtf?!?
Amazed Boro are letting him go, he scored 15 goals after xmas and then Pulis wierdly dropped him for the play offs. He is better than Asambalonga and Gestede.
Leeds also signed Barry Douglas. If we want to play 3-5-2 and have money again he's someone we should've looked at.
Embargo makes sense when you're struggling to pay the taxman & wages.
Embargo makes sense when you're struggling to pay the taxman & wages.
Leeds paying £7m for Bamford wtf?!?
Amazed Boro are letting him go, he scored 15 goals after xmas
He had that good loan spell at Boro scoring 19 goals, the last was 14th April 2015. His next goal was 35 games later on the 13th May 2017. Then it was a run of 3 in 29 games (2 were against our reserves in the LC), scored 9 in 7 and then finished the season 1 in 8.
He's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool is doing the rounds. Watched him for Wales, good little player.
RHM can't stay fit for more than a fortnight but I think Woodburn plays more in the area Jack plays so read into that what you will.
Why would we want an 18 loanee striker? - I thought we had plenty of young and older strikers in the squad.Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool is doing the rounds. Watched him for Wales, good little player.
Great exciting prospect and known as prince of Wales ! Definitely a positive move all round.
Would like to think he has greater impact than onomah and I not sure where that puts the snoddy deal but would take woodburn for his attacking abilities
He's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.
Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ishHe's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.
Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.
Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ishHe's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.
Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.
Why would we want an 18 loanee striker? - I thought we had plenty of young and older strikers in the squad.Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool is doing the rounds. Watched him for Wales, good little player.
Great exciting prospect and known as prince of Wales ! Definitely a positive move all round.
Would like to think he has greater impact than onomah and I not sure where that puts the snoddy deal but would take woodburn for his attacking abilities
John Percy. I didn’t even know we had been under an embargo.
Aston Villa want Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool as transfer embargo is lifted
John Percy
Ben Woodburn points
Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ishHe's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.
Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.
Blair hasn’t been in power since 2008 when RHM would have been 11-ishHe's very highly rated. I'd be happy to give him a try, if we don't, and he scores twenty goals for some other Championship team, we'll be pretty pissed off.
If i were RHM i'd be pretty pissed off at scoring a goal a game for half a season in the U23s, getting a handful of minutes for the first, and then being replaced in the squad by a loanee.
Sadly, we can't rely on RHM as he hasn't gone three weeks without getting injured since Blair was in power.
Yeah but does Rushian read the Guardian?
He's been playing deeper in pre season apparantlry as a no 8
It does seem like he's an obvious grealish replacement - but who knows perhaps we get him in anyway
We need at least three wingers in the squad if we're going to play wingers
If we're going to play 352 I've no idea what we'd do with them all
I can't see green and adomah as wing backs really
And what about the EFL?
EFL clubs voted through proposals that will see the EFL transfer window close after the opening game of the league season on Thursday August 9, 2018 at 5pm.
Clubs will still be able to register players who ceased to be registered with a club during the period up until August 31, 2018.
Players can also be transferred out to a club in any league whose window is still open.
EFL chief executive Shaun Harvey said: "After discussing the options throughout the course of the last few months, I'm pleased that the matter has been determined by clubs ahead of the start of next season.
"This new approach will give Clubs and managers the stability they crave earlier in the season whilst also providing the flexibility to add to their squads after the traditional deadline until the end of month if required."
Will loan deals be affected?
EFL clubs will still be able to sign players on loan up to August 31, 2018.
They will also be able to sign players on loan with an option to agree a permanent transfer when the next window opens up to August 31.
Apologies if you all know but I was surprised to discover we could still take players on loan until 31st August and on loan with a view to purchase in January. So I suppose that could be interpreted as the window closing on August 31st.
It is strange we all want new players to join (Snodgrass) etc... and then pay him £50-60k per week in the Championship even with the richest of owners this is just unsustainable for a Championship club, and part of the reason we were in the mess we were in just a couple of weeks ago!
I see that QPR have now agreed to pay £39 million for breaking FFP rules and cannot make any new signings - we should be very careful with how much we pay any new signings.
I don't doubt he's talented and all, but I don't really see the point of having him in primarily as a midfield option if Jack is staying - I know Hourihane's not everyone's cup of tea, but surely if we want more attacking thrust from midfield, we'd just give him greater licence to get forward instead of making him stand a few feet away from the defensive midfielder as was the case most of the games last season. If Woodburn is genuinely good enough to play on either flank (as opposed to, say, Onomah, who really couldn't play wide), that would be a different story.
the Charlie Adams thing is utter bilge. As to Murray/Ulloa if we sign people like that, we've learned nothing and might as well join a pensioners league. We need pace!
the Charlie Adams thing is utter bilge. As to Murray/Ulloa if we sign people like that, we've learned nothing and might as well join a pensioners league. We need pace!
Murray or Ulloa on loan for a season would be just what we need to be honest and we could then put pace in around them. Signing either of them for decent money and on a long term contract would point to a failure to learn from past mistakes though.
the Charlie Adams thing is utter bilge. As to Murray/Ulloa if we sign people like that, we've learned nothing and might as well join a pensioners league. We need pace!
Murray or Ulloa on loan for a season would be just what we need to be honest and we could then put pace in around them. Signing either of them for decent money and on a long term contract would point to a failure to learn from past mistakes though.
Exactly a big target man to hold up ball.
Have to face it the way Bruce plays these players fit the system and are have technics
Yes loan for either /or !
At most 2 year contract with a year option which we wouldn't take !
I thought people on here were saying that Leeds are brassick.
Douglas would have been a great buy for us.
Vydra’s move to Leeds broken down.... really worth hijacking in my opinion ?
Vydra’s move to Leeds broken down.... really worth hijacking in my opinion ?
100%.
Why has it broken down? Last thing we need is another half hearted player
Vydra’s move to Leeds broken down.... really worth hijacking in my opinion ?
100%.
Definitely.
Well we’re in totally different place than a few weeks ago so you never knowVydra’s move to Leeds broken down.... really worth hijacking in my opinion ?
100%.
Definitely.
I'm sure we haven't got £11m + to be spending on players this season?
Well we’re in totally different place than a few weeks ago so you never knowVydra’s move to Leeds broken down.... really worth hijacking in my opinion ?
100%.
Definitely.
I'm sure we haven't got £11m + to be spending on players this season?
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
I'm far from convinced by Vydra, he seems to very much blow hot and cold.
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
I think he operates the fan site The Villa View that interviewed Luke Organ recently.
Can't we just them Hogan back as a swap?
As a following tweet says it puts Jack’s future in question.
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
I think he operates the fan site The Villa View that interviewed Luke Organ recently.
"Proven at this level"
Stab in the dark here, I'd say it's Hugill or Ulloa
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
He’s a good player.
Nothing in that Ryan Woods story.
Tammy Abraham would be my hunch for a centre forward.
Is Andre Gray the racist homophobic one?
I'd find it difficult to want him to do well.Is Andre Gray the racist homophobic one?
That's him. I'd very much like it if we didn't sign him please. Hopefully it's Abraham we're after.
the Charlie Adams thing is utter bilge. As to Murray/Ulloa if we sign people like that, we've learned nothing and might as well join a pensioners league. We need pace!
Murray or Ulloa on loan for a season would be just what we need to be honest and we could then put pace in around them. Signing either of them for decent money and on a long term contract would point to a failure to learn from past mistakes though.
Exactly a big target man to hold up ball.
Have to face it the way Bruce plays these players fit the system and are have technics
Yes loan for either /or !
At most 2 year contract with a year option which we wouldn't take !
Would not be offering a permanent deal to those type of players Skillzy as we would run the risk of being in the same position of having a big earner that we can't shift off the wage bill that we have been in so many times over the last few years . Murray, Ulloa, Hugill or Wells would all be good loan options for this season.
Nothing in that Ryan Woods story.
Tammy Abraham would be my hunch for a centre forward.
Has he though? This is from a month ago. His apology for the other stuff was the standard 'Those views do not represent the person I am now' used by everyone who gets caught out that way. If you thought that was sincere then fair enough; I didn't.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-44663789 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-44663789)
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
He’s a good player.
I think this is BS
Shame as he's a cracking player
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
He’s a good player.
I think this is BS
Shame as he's a cracking player
If we are genuinely interested I have to say Ryan's heads turned . A move away as he may want to leaf. Ryan could go on strike and not turn out for the Brentford club
Really if Villa want him I can't see the woods for the bees
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
He’s a good player.
I think this is BS
Shame as he's a cracking player
If we are genuinely interested I have to say Ryan's heads turned . A move away as he may want to leaf. Ryan could go on strike and not turn out for the Brentford club
Really if Villa want him I can't see the woods for the bees
Woods.... I bloody wish. Brilliant little player. Swap him for Hogan!Woods might get Hogan going.
Ulloa would be a good signing for Bruce ball and give us a target man so I would be OK with it.
Abraham, yes please!
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
I think he operates the fan site The Villa View that interviewed Luke Organ recently.
"Proven at this level"
Stab in the dark here, I'd say it's Hugill or Ulloa
Tammy Abrahams sounds like a good shout wouldn't mind us signing him.
Ryan Woods signing from Brentford for £3m with add ons he is saying also now. If this one comes off then fair to say he is ITK.
He’s a good player.
I think this is BS
Shame as he's a cracking player
If we are genuinely interested I have to say Ryan's heads turned . A move away as he may want to leaf. Ryan could go on strike and not turn out for the Brentford club
Really if Villa want him I can't see the woods for the bees
bravo, wanted to do something about him not going to Forest
As a following tweet says it puts Jack’s future in question.
Ones a deep lying play maker, the offer is an attacking midfielder.
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
I think he operates the fan site The Villa View that interviewed Luke Organ recently.
"Proven at this level"
Stab in the dark here, I'd say it's Hugill or Ulloa
Proven you say!?? So it can only be !!
If it's Prem :
Ings
Ulloa
Abrahams
Hugill
Conor Wickham
Naki wells
Sam baldock
Glenn Murray
Bonatini
Gary Madine
Kamara
Dwight Gayle
Is it's currently Champ
Abel Hernandez
Crouchie
Vydra
Frazier Campbell
David Nugent
Cameron Jerome
Leon Clarke
Gary Hooper
Sam Winnal
Forestieri
Hal Robson Kanu
Martyn Waghorn if he hasnt left to derby
Or big Daryl Murphy / Chris Martin
Big loan singing incoming says @thatcherlover on Twitter. Been accurate so far this summer.
Some chap called Dan Bardell on Twitter (whoever he is) is also saying we are working on a deal for a striker.
I think he operates the fan site The Villa View that interviewed Luke Organ recently.
"Proven at this level"
Stab in the dark here, I'd say it's Hugill or Ulloa
Proven you say!?? So it can only be !!
If it's Prem :
Ings
Ulloa
Abrahams
Hugill
Conor Wickham
Naki wells
Sam baldock
Glenn Murray
Bonatini
Gary Madine
Kamara
Dwight Gayle
Is it's currently Champ
Abel Hernandez
Crouchie
Vydra
Frazier Campbell
David Nugent
Cameron Jerome
Leon Clarke
Gary Hooper
Sam Winnal
Forestieri
Hal Robson Kanu
Martyn Waghorn if he hasnt left to derby
Or big Daryl Murphy / Chris Martin
Bardell was claiming that it's a loan - That effectively rules all Championship players and free agents out. As he also stated that the player was proven at this level, it is almost certain to be one from the list of PL strikers you made.
It's probably just Ben Wotsitface from Liverpool.
It's probably just Ben Wotsitface from Liverpool.
It's probably just Ben Wotsitface from Liverpool.
Definitely not - He said "proven at this level".
Someone has just gone onto his Twitter and suggested that he was referring to Dwight Gayle but that he's close to WBA.
It's probably just Ben Wotsitface from Liverpool.
Has he got an orange face?
Based on what dan said I'd guess ulloa or Abraham
Can't see Ings stepping down
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Maybe nakhi wells, though I think Bruce wants a target man
Got a feeling it's Ulloa which I'm not keen on for a couple of reasons - style and form
Alan Nixon says it's Jordan hugill
Underwhelming for me
Plus more interest in nick Powell (probably as a grealish replacement)
Alan Nixon says it's Jordan hugill
Underwhelming for me
Plus more interest in nick Powell (probably as a grealish replacement)
Alan Nixon says it's Jordan hugill
Underwhelming for me
Plus more interest in nick Powell (probably as a grealish replacement)
I have not seen Hugil is not very good ?
There's something in the back of my mind about Hugill being in youth set-up, ammo confusing him with someone else or just plain wrong?
Alan Nixon says it's Jordan hugill
Underwhelming for me
Plus more interest in nick Powell (probably as a grealish replacement)
I have not seen Hugil is not very good ?
He scored three times past us in 16/17 for Preston.
He developed a lot there but is essentially a targetman striker. Not a huge amount of pace but will hold it up and get on the end of plenty of crosses.
That said he did waltz through whoever we had in midfield/defence to score a fine solo goal in the VP game in January 2017.
Edit: If we get Snoddy aswell I think it's an astute move as him and Adomah obviously get plenty of crosses into the box although not sure if we can loan two players from the same club?
Hugill is a lump of a player who causes centre back's problems. Scored a decent amount of goals for Preston without really tearing the league up. Would be interesting to see how well he does with better players around him, clearly not up to the players at West Ham's level but for Villa, could be an astute signing. I'd quite like this one to go through.This bit is so depressing😥
Aftab, we shall rise again.
so Benteke's available then?
so Benteke's available then?
I would take him back in a heartbeat!
Wishful thinking though I think
Some Brentford ITK saying personal terms agreed with Woods - but not the fee.
Some Brentford ITK saying personal terms agreed with Woods - but not the fee.
Oh so on this case it's I can see woods but for the fees
Some Brentford ITK saying personal terms agreed with Woods - but not the fee.
Oh so on this case it's I can see woods but for the fees
You know, that's actually pretty damn good.
Exciting as it is to think about strikers and pace going forwards, but I would first like to see a decent centre-half and a left-sided defender (fullback/wing-back).
Jedi might start alongside Chester, but I would prefer him anchoring the midfield, plus that leaves Elphick as the first back-up (or a starter if Jedi is in midfield) and that is scary.
Hugill apparently signing for Palace.
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
Perish the thought ! Hutts is a trier but left back he's left wanting in-between spaces /lines and of course limited on his left foot couple that with Jedinak on the left centre back there is too much opportunity for sides to exploits.
He ain't Ashley young so would be limited in the attacking sense.
That said Bree would do ok and seemed okay . Left back however is a concern and would hope another comes in
I don't know what Taylor problem is he's a specialist but gets caught out and has largely be found left wanting
Where do you see Bree as a left back or RDL paul-e ??
(Even God son Elmo was played there
And our man for all positions Bjarnasson both I would not like to play there )
There is even case of Albert being there as left wing back and I hope Green never has to go through that.
It's just fustrating to have imbalance (is that the word? Or unbalance) to squad and full back areas of so many right but little left.
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
Perish the thought ! Hutts is a trier but left back he's left wanting in-between spaces /lines and of course limited on his left foot couple that with Jedinak on the left centre back there is too much opportunity for sides to exploits.
He ain't Ashley young so would be limited in the attacking sense.
That said Bree would do ok and seemed okay . Left back however is a concern and would hope another comes in
I don't know what Taylor problem is he's a specialist but gets caught out and has largely be found left wanting
Where do you see Bree as a left back or RDL paul-e ??
(Even God son Elmo was played there
And our man for all positions Bjarnasson both I would not like to play there )
There is even case of Albert being there as left wing back and I hope Green never has to go through that.
It's just fustrating to have imbalance (is that the word? Or unbalance) to squad and full back areas of so many right but little left.
wonky mate ;)
John Percy.
Ben Woodburn having medical at Sheffield United today. Set to join on loan for the season. Villa are considering other loan targets #lfc #sufc
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
Perish the thought ! Hutts is a trier but left back he's left wanting in-between spaces /lines and of course limited on his left foot couple that with Jedinak on the left centre back there is too much opportunity for sides to exploits.
He ain't Ashley young so would be limited in the attacking sense.
That said Bree would do ok and seemed okay . Left back however is a concern and would hope another comes in
I don't know what Taylor problem is he's a specialist but gets caught out and has largely be found left wanting
Where do you see Bree as a left back or RDL paul-e ??
(Even God son Elmo was played there
And our man for all positions Bjarnasson both I would not like to play there )
There is even case of Albert being there as left wing back and I hope Green never has to go through that.
It's just fustrating to have imbalance (is that the word? Or unbalance) to squad and full back areas of so many right but little left.
wonky mate ;)
Ahh the good old British slang ! I will use that one though for some reason I feel it sounds rude !
Sounds very cockney slang is it meaning something wonky ? Like donkey ? But they aren't that unbalanced ?
I have never heard this word apart from in context to some commercial wonky pigeon.com ! I guess that is not so rude then !
Refs are a bit wonky right ? Referees a wonky !
What's a slang for balanced then ?
Or a footy slang term !
I have a feeling we won't get a left back and Bruce is happy to play use Hutton and Taylor as his options there.
Perish the thought ! Hutts is a trier but left back he's left wanting in-between spaces /lines and of course limited on his left foot couple that with Jedinak on the left centre back there is too much opportunity for sides to exploits.
He ain't Ashley young so would be limited in the attacking sense.
That said Bree would do ok and seemed okay . Left back however is a concern and would hope another comes in
I don't know what Taylor problem is he's a specialist but gets caught out and has largely be found left wanting
Where do you see Bree as a left back or RDL paul-e ??
(Even God son Elmo was played there
And our man for all positions Bjarnasson both I would not like to play there )
There is even case of Albert being there as left wing back and I hope Green never has to go through that.
It's just fustrating to have imbalance (is that the word? Or unbalance) to squad and full back areas of so many right but little left.
wonky mate ;)
Ahh the good old British slang ! I will use that one though for some reason I feel it sounds rude !
Sounds very cockney slang is it meaning something wonky ? Like donkey ? But they aren't that unbalanced ?
I have never heard this word apart from in context to some commercial wonky pigeon.com ! I guess that is not so rude then !
Refs are a bit wonky right ? Referees a wonky !
What's a slang for balanced then ?
Or a footy slang term !
equilibrium mate
How can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united over villa??
How can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united over villa??
Maybe we wasn't interested in him in the first place.
Whatever we are considering we could do with getting a move on. We paid the price for a slow start last season, if we harbor any hopes of going up this season we can't be 10 points off the pace after a few months again.
How can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united over villa??
How can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united overBecause its not a choice of a permanent new club. It's more about game time.
Plus Sheffield United are a proper club who'll most likely be in the mix again this seasonHow can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united overBecause its not a choice of a permanent new club. It's more about game time.
Odd way to look at it from a fellow villa fan. I like to think we're a proper club.Plus Sheffield United are a proper club who'll most likely be in the mix again this seasonHow can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united overBecause its not a choice of a permanent new club. It's more about game time.
Odd way to look at it from a fellow villa fan. I like to think we're a proper club.Plus Sheffield United are a proper club who'll most likely be in the mix again this seasonHow can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united overBecause its not a choice of a permanent new club. It's more about game time.
SheffU had Brooks taken off them by B'mouth, so they might see Woodburn as young cover for him; and be prepared to pay / sign up to restrictive clauses.How can anyone choose Fecking sheffield united over villa??
Maybe we wasn't interested in him in the first place.
Risso being optimistic! ;)
We're gonna be stuck with has-beens again en we?Sounds like at mo . I know there’s plenty of insignificant press hype with links to players but when no one been signed yet you start to clutch at any signings news but most of yesterday’s mentions seem to have gone or intend going elsewhere disappointingly
who chosen Sheffield United ? Just asking.BEN Woodburn from Liverpool I believe
If a Jack does go we need to make a statement with our purchases.I think you will see a statement, not sure you will like it though.
Where’s this story come from?
The whole point of taking players on a temporary basis is we use them they way we want to. Villa are right for pulling out and clearly don't think he's ready to play in 40 odd games. Ray Woods to Swansea will be a shitter. I want him at Villa.
The whole point of taking players on a temporary basis is we use them they way we want to. Villa are right for pulling out and clearly don't think he's ready to play in 40 odd games. Ray Woods to Swansea will be a shitter. I want him at Villa.
Ray Woods . He would be about 53 now wouldnt he .
Ray Wood died 2002 aged 71
I see Derby signed a defender from Reading today. I reckon Tommy Elphick will be off back there by the close of the window.
Aftab, we shall rise again.Indeed we will but this wait is getting frustrating.
We need a big rough tough scary centre half to compliment Chester and take care of physical stuff.
I see we have been linked with Robert Huth, Nick Powell (he has scored 21 in 60 for Wigan) and Tammy Abraham (28 in 72 for Bristol City and Swansea).
I also see the standard of adverts on H&V has improved. That is a rather attractive blonde modelling that appropriately coloured claret and black Ann Summers underwear.
You do know the adverts are related to your browsing history?
;D ;D ;D
I've got Hedge Trimmers and Jet washers....
We need a big rough tough scary centre half to compliment Chester and take care of physical stuff.
Aftab, we shall rise again.Indeed we will but this wait is getting frustrating.
Hugill apparently signing for Palace.
Blimey, him, Woodburn and others all touted for us yesterday and now all going elsewhere !?
Where is the Doc’s cryptic messages to keep us well informed ?
Alan Nixon has us linked with Powell or Wigan and Hugill of West Ham. Interesting links.
Alan Nixon has us linked with Powell or Wigan and Hugill of West Ham. Interesting links.
Is nixon a good source of info .
These rumours could have legs
Dave Woods, now we are talking.....Alan Nixon has us linked with Powell or Wigan and Hugill of West Ham. Interesting links.
Is nixon a good source of info .
These rumours could have legs
Not as good as Dave Woods of The Star...
Here’s a laugh
https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/08/blogs/aston-villa-table-17-8m-bid-for-yerry-mina/
You do know the adverts are related to your browsing history?
;D ;D ;D
I've got Hedge Trimmers and Jet washers....
Gotta love a good ad-blocker.
"Spanish news outlet Marca has previously reported that the Colombia international is earning £67,000-a-week on his deal at Barca"Here’s a laugh
https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/08/blogs/aston-villa-table-17-8m-bid-for-yerry-mina/
Hahahaha.
Swansea have apparently agreed a fee of £6m with Brentford for Ryan Woods.
Here’s a laugh
https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/08/blogs/aston-villa-table-17-8m-bid-for-yerry-mina/
Swansea have apparently agreed a fee of £6m with Brentford for Ryan Woods.
I think, we will not be buying or loaning any one until we see players going out the door.
yep, if there was any money there i think we wouldn't be signing players on loan from the deepest darkest reserves of athletico madrid. If we rated him that highly then you'd expect us to at least buy him
yep, if there was any money there i think we wouldn't be signing players on loan from the deepest darkest reserves of athletico madrid. If we rated him that highly then you'd expect us to at least buy him
Actually this is the sort of deal that is perfect as a loan, so long as there's a future fee agreed. 'Try before you buy' of young foreign players is a great way of avoiding signing someone who just doesn't adapt to the culture change.
Swansea have apparently agreed a fee of £6m with Brentford for Ryan Woods.
That's a shame. Him instead of Whelan would be great for us.
Here’s a laugh
https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/08/blogs/aston-villa-table-17-8m-bid-for-yerry-mina/
They report the story and then at the end give it a likely of being true rating of 0 out of 10. It is a shame the tabloids don't show similar honesty. ''Here's a fantastic story......but unfortunately it is bullshit".
Of the 'unsung' I think he was the one that impressed me most last season. Think he will be a great player but does look suspiciously like Sidwell who also looked great for a season.Swansea have apparently agreed a fee of £6m with Brentford for Ryan Woods.
That's a shame. Him instead of Whelan would be great for us.
He would have been an interesting signing, but as it stands we have 4 or 5 players in the squad who can play the position he does. I honestly think Doyle-Hayes could be a similar type of player to Woods, so it might be better giving him a chance.
Hmmm I was thinking scary for opposition not us.We need a big rough tough scary centre half to compliment Chester and take care of physical stuff.
we got one Elphick
he ticks those boxes but falls down a bit on Football ability
I don’t think we have seen enough of ANY of our promising youngsters to know whether they could make the grade or not, with the exception of Davis.
I don’t think we have seen enough of ANY of our promising youngsters to know whether they could make the grade or not, with the exception of Davis.
I don’t think we have seen enough of ANY of our promising youngsters to know whether they could make the grade or not, with the exception of Davis.
Agree Andy and I think the finger has to be pointed at Bruce for that. To have gone two seasons in this division and not even had a look at some of the younger players in a league game is not great really.
There were some very strong performances by one or two in the cup game against Wigan at the start of last season, Doyle-Hayes in particular.I don’t think we have seen enough of ANY of our promising youngsters to know whether they could make the grade or not, with the exception of Davis.
Agree Andy and I think the finger has to be pointed at Bruce for that. To have gone two seasons in this division and not even had a look at some of the younger players in a league game is not great really.
I suspect that their failure to impress when given the opportunity in cup games has counted against them. A strong showing would have helped their cause.
Could be -they were all mainly awful against Boro in the Cup last season at home. What really pisses me off is that two years on from relegation and around £75m spent in trying to get back, we're still at least four players short in key positions.
Could be -they were all mainly awful against Boro in the Cup last season at home. What really pisses me off is that two years on from relegation and around £75m spent in trying to get back, we're still at least four players short in key positions.
... managers have to have a belief in and make a commitment to giving young players a chance …It's the commitment to doing it that is critical - bringing them in and out of the squad does not send out messages of confidence. I remember watching the squad warm up at Boro in the away league game last December. Because of injuries we had 3-4 'kids' on the bench - RHM came on and got some gametime - but all 4 disappeared from the squad in the next couple of games. What I also remember from that warm-up at Boro was the camaraderie and fun that they all seemed to exhibit toward each other: there was a togetherness that would serve us well in the first team.
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
Personally I wouldn't say Grealish 'broke through' really until last January. Whether that is thanks to Steve, someone else, or a combination of people is the question.
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
I think the new owners will want to emphasise youth development so there may be pressure on him to blood the kids.
Unless it’s some other clubs kids, then he is all for it, mysteriously.I think the new owners will want to emphasise youth development so there may be pressure on him to blood the kids.
I appreciate the logic and the sentiment but unfortunately it is just not in SB's DNA to even consider youth unless he has either no choice due to injury or it suits him politically to prove a point
History clearly support this leaning towards seasoned pro's every time
Unless it’s some other clubs kids, then he is all for it, mysteriously.I think the new owners will want to emphasise youth development so there may be pressure on him to blood the kids.
I appreciate the logic and the sentiment but unfortunately it is just not in SB's DNA to even consider youth unless he has either no choice due to injury or it suits him politically to prove a point
History clearly support this leaning towards seasoned pro's every time
Unless it’s some other clubs kids, then he is all for it, mysteriously.I think the new owners will want to emphasise youth development so there may be pressure on him to blood the kids.
I appreciate the logic and the sentiment but unfortunately it is just not in SB's DNA to even consider youth unless he has either no choice due to injury or it suits him politically to prove a point
History clearly support this leaning towards seasoned pro's every time
He gave Keinan plenty of game time last season until he started to look a bit jaded.
And then binned him.Unless it’s some other clubs kids, then he is all for it, mysteriously.I think the new owners will want to emphasise youth development so there may be pressure on him to blood the kids.
I appreciate the logic and the sentiment but unfortunately it is just not in SB's DNA to even consider youth unless he has either no choice due to injury or it suits him politically to prove a point
History clearly support this leaning towards seasoned pro's every time
He gave Keinan plenty of game time last season until he started to look a bit jaded.
"no choice due to injury"
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
Personally I wouldn't say Grealish 'broke through' really until last January. Whether that is thanks to Steve, someone else, or a combination of people is the question.
The Daily Star have plucked this beauty out of thin air, just like they did with Henry...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/720808/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Aston-Villa-HIJACK-Yerry-Mina-18m-bid-Barcelona-Gossip
Smoggy air then.The Daily Star have plucked this beauty out of thin air, just like they did with Henry...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/720808/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Aston-Villa-HIJACK-Yerry-Mina-18m-bid-Barcelona-Gossip
It’s not quite thin air. Some foreign news source plucked it out of thin air. The Star are just joining in.
Looks like Adama to Wolves is on so a handy windfall coming our way?3.6 million?
Smoggy air then.The Daily Star have plucked this beauty out of thin air, just like they did with Henry...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/720808/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Aston-Villa-HIJACK-Yerry-Mina-18m-bid-Barcelona-Gossip
It’s not quite thin air. Some foreign news source plucked it out of thin air. The Star are just joining in.
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
Personally I wouldn't say Grealish 'broke through' really until last January. Whether that is thanks to Steve, someone else, or a combination of people is the question.
He started the vast majority of games under Di Matteo from memory.
I'm sorry but that is exactly what we get with SB - he will only use them as a last resort and then use it as an excuse for not having a bigger squad
Grealish was already in the first team before he came so he cannot take any credit for his breakthrough
Personally I wouldn't say Grealish 'broke through' really until last January. Whether that is thanks to Steve, someone else, or a combination of people is the question.
He started the vast majority of games under Di Matteo from memory.
And was largely crap. Ok, i supppose he 'broke into the team' in 2015 but the point I was making is that he became the player Spurs and Chelsea are supposedly interested in from Jan this year. Does anyone honestly think that top half Premier League teams would be looking to sign him based on how he played before that?
Bruce gets, in my opinion, very little credit for the turn around in Grealish which was, in my opinion, mostly about realising how short his career could be (because of the injury) and having the influence of Terry around.
Much as it pains me to say it, I think Appleyard played a big role in Jack sorting himself out. Plus I reckon that injury made him realise just how short a career it can be, so for me it's those 2 combined that meant we finally saw Jack start fulfilling his promise more consistently.
Of course Bruce actually getting any credit would fly in the face of the narrative you've both written for him and we couldn't that now, could we?
Great minds and all that.Bruce gets, in my opinion, very little credit for the turn around in Grealish which was, in my opinion, mostly about realising how short his career could be (because of the injury) and having the influence of Terry around.Much as it pains me to say it, I think Appleyard played a big role in Jack sorting himself out. Plus I reckon that injury made him realise just how short a career it can be, so for me it's those 2 combined that meant we finally saw Jack start fulfilling his promise more consistently.
Of course Bruce actually getting any credit would fly in the face of the narrative you've both written for him and we couldn't that now, could we?
Have that now?
If you're going to try and get a dig in at least try and be literate ;D
Of course Bruce actually getting any credit would fly in the face of the narrative you've both written for him and we couldn't that now, could we?
Have that now?
If you're going to try and get a dig in at least try and be literate ;D
Only Swansea and Norwich appear to have a smaller net spend
according to Transfermarket website, Forest have the biggest net spend at around 27mil, wtf is going on with them?
It also had us at -16mil net as they have us bringing in 10m for Amavi?? So 20mil when Adama goes to Wolves??
Only Swansea and Norwich appear to have a smaller net spend
Couple of deals very close to completion. Exciting to see the level we are loaning at
i thought it was only non domestic from the 9th and it had to be linked to a buy option?
You can pick up out of contract players whenever you like, can't you? Don't tell me you've forgotten Robert Pires?
Couple of deals very close to completion. Exciting to see the level we are loaning at
What sort of level we talking Frank? Premier League or European equivalent?
Can only sign players permanently until the end of next Thursday. Can loan players from the Premier League until the end of the month.
Can only sign players permanently until the end of next Thursday. Can loan players from the Premier League until the end of the month.
Perminant transfers have to be completed by 5pm on Thursday 9th August. End of the month is the deadline for loans.
So what positions do we reckon the 5 players that we're apparently after will cover?
Hopefully for me, in order of urgency;
Centre-Back
Left-Back
Striker
Centre-Back
Striker
Winger
Interesting also that Bruce has described Moreiara as "one for the future" despite being on a year's loan (!). If that's the case I wonder if he might also have an eye on another keeper...
So what positions do we reckon the 5 players that we're apparently after will cover?
Hopefully for me, in order of urgency;
Centre-Back
Left-Back
Striker
Centre-Back
Striker
Winger
Interesting also that Bruce has described Moreiara as "one for the future" despite being on a year's loan (!). If that's the case I wonder if he might also have an eye on another keeper...
Snoddy staying at West Ham according to Sky
Orjan Nyland
Never heard of either.
American midfielder Keaton Parks at Benfica and Norwegian GK Orjan Nyland playing for FC Ingolstadt being linked.
So what positions do we reckon the 5 players that we're apparently after will cover?
Hopefully for me, in order of urgency;
Centre-Back
Left-Back
Striker
Centre-Back
Striker
Winger
Interesting also that Bruce has described Moreiara as "one for the future" despite being on a year's loan (!). If that's the case I wonder if he might also have an eye on another keeper...
If Bruce is trying to prove he can bring in quality, surely that rules out the likes of Huth for centre back, only due to age, and the fact that he was injured all last season.
Is there any basis to the Abraham hope?
If Bruce is trying to prove he can bring in quality, surely that rules out the likes of Huth for centre back, only due to age, and the fact that he was injured all last season.I vaguely remember watching us play Chelsea at VP on what must of been one of his first ever games, about 20 years ago, it's a no from me.
Is there any basis to the Abraham hope?
I'm not sure bull I'll tank the lord if he comes.
Beyond me why we haven't put in a cheeky £668 million bid for Modric yet.His release clause fee is set at £669M that’s why.
If Bruce is trying to prove he can bring in quality, surely that rules out the likes of Huth for centre back, only due to age, and the fact that he was injured all last season.
If Bruce is trying to prove he can bring in quality in his 4th window it doesn't say much for what he's done in the others.
rip-off thenBeyond me why we haven't put in a cheeky £668 million bid for Modric yet.His release clause fee is set at £669M that’s why.
rip-off thenBeyond me why we haven't put in a cheeky £668 million bid for Modric yet.His release clause fee is set at £669M that’s why.
according to Transfermarket website, Forest have the biggest net spend at around 27mil, wtf is going on with them?
It also had us at -16mil net as they have us bringing in 10m for Amavi?? So 20mil when Adama goes to Wolves??
Only Swansea and Norwich appear to have a smaller net spend
After all the reports of our financial woes this summer, you do have to wonder how clubs who have been in the Championship for some time and had money problems like Forest can spend that kind of money.
Orjan Nyland
Nice if Abrahams is No 11
It is encouraging that we’re trying to bring in ‘four or five’.
If the rumours of another keeper coming in are true why did we bother signing the young keeper on loan from Portugal?Just seems a waste of a transfer when we have Bunn & Steer for back upBecause both Steer and Bunn are utter shite maybe ?
If the rumours of another keeper coming in are true why did we bother signing the young keeper on loan from Portugal?Just seems a waste of a transfer when we have Bunn & Steer for back up
If the rumours of another keeper coming in are true why did we bother signing the young keeper on loan from Portugal?Just seems a waste of a transfer when we have Bunn & Steer for back upCus his agent is Jorge Mendes. Bruce doesn’t want to be outdone and show who boss really is so is bringing his ‘own ‘ keeper in ?
Beyond me why we haven't put in a cheeky £668 million bid for Modric yet.His release clause fee is set at £669M that’s why.
If the rumours of another keeper coming in are true why did we bother signing the young keeper on loan from Portugal?Just seems a waste of a transfer when we have Bunn & Steer for back upBunn is - and always has been - crap.
It is encouraging that we’re trying to bring in ‘four or five’.
How are Forest getting round FFP? Smaller turnover, smaller crowds, no parachute money??
It is encouraging that we’re trying to bring in ‘four or five’.
Four or five goalkeepers?!?
It is encouraging that we’re trying to bring in ‘four or five’.
Four or five goalkeepers?!?
Goalkeeper is the new right back. You can't have enough of them!
It is encouraging that we’re trying to bring in ‘four or five’.
Four or five goalkeepers?!?
Goalkeeper is the new right back. You can't have enough of them!
WBA in for Gardner, apparently.
Haha; nice idea, sir!WBA in for Gardner, apparently.
Swap for Sam ? After all, we need to strengthen the goal keeper postion....
WBA in for Gardner, apparently.Cash him in: for £7m I'm sure he'll be a bargain for them.
WBA in for Gardner, apparently.
No Woods for Brentford or Ward for Wigan. Tenuously linked with both this summer.Clucas is off to Burnley so I think Woods will fill his space at Swansea.
Daily Mail linking us with Millwall midfielder George Saville. Leeds interested too apparently.
Daily Mail linking us with Millwall midfielder George Saville. Leeds interested too apparently.
We're gonna be stuck with has-beens again en we?The loan market should really kick in when the transfer window closes. The Loftus cheek/ Tammy Abraham type players will be the last ones to go out as Chelsea (for example) will know that if they don’t land some of the world class players they are looking at, these guys are at the level they can come off the bench and be good enough to fill in
Linked with a loan for Tuanzebe again
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/05/report-aston-villa-close-to-re-signing-axel-tuanzebe-on-loan/
Daily Mail linking us with Millwall midfielder George Saville. Leeds interested too apparently.
Jimmy's grandson i believe.
Loftus-cheek good off the bench and fill in?
I'd love to see him at Villa as a first starter, way above anything we've got in midfield except for Jack
Loftus-cheek good off the bench and fill in?I think he’s talking about Chelsea not us!
I'd love to see him at Villa as a first starter, way above anything we've got in midfield except for Jack
Axel coming in on loan.That midfield is awful.
Suggests 343 or 352 is a possibility.
Norwegian Bloke
Chester
Axel
Elphick
Hutton
Hourihane
Jedinak or Thor or Whelan
Jack
De Laet
Green
Kodjia
That midfield finished 4th last year. We would just be replacing wingers for wing backs. Actually adding more pace as Hutton and De Laet are a lot quicker than Snoddy and Albert.I can't argue with a fact but it's still terrible. You can't seriously be saying you're ok with replacing Snods crossing and creativity with Hutton because he's a bit quicker?
That midfield finished 4th last year. We would just be replacing wingers for wing backs. Actually adding more pace as Hutton and De Laet are a lot quicker than Snoddy and Albert.
That midfield finished 4th last year. We would just be replacing wingers for wing backs. Actually adding more pace as Hutton and De Laet are a lot quicker than Snoddy and Albert.I can't argue with a fact but it's still terrible. You can't seriously be saying you're ok with replacing Snods crossing and creativity with Hutton because he's a bit quicker?
I would have Green out wide all day but my main problem is that centre, Jack apart no one can play a pass.
I know we're not comparing player for player, I'm talking about the areas you're asking Hutton and DeLaet to move into to supply the ammo that came from Snod and Adomah. Kod will be living on scraps if that's where the balls are coming from.That midfield finished 4th last year. We would just be replacing wingers for wing backs. Actually adding more pace as Hutton and De Laet are a lot quicker than Snoddy and Albert.I can't argue with a fact but it's still terrible. You can't seriously be saying you're ok with replacing Snods crossing and creativity with Hutton because he's a bit quicker?
I would have Green out wide all day but my main problem is that centre, Jack apart no one can play a pass.
Not really comparing like for like as Hutton would be playing wing-back, whereas Snodgrass was a wide forward last season.
Daily Mail linking us with Millwall midfielder George Saville. Leeds interested too apparently.
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
Agreed.
Let's stop it now, then.
Adama windfall update - Wolves are now prepared to pay more than the £18m release clause as it enables them to pay on the drip. According to Talkshite the deal could be worth £26m.
Just why?? Are they mad?
Not so much that, as headless chickens go he is the most headless of them all.
Not for everyone.
Plenty of us wanted to see him actually start games instead of Richardson and Sinclair.
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
The same Traore who got pelters on here.
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
If there are going to be any at least spell his name right, one ‘l’, Savile.
The same Traore who got pelters on here.
Hardly surprising, given his inability with us to do anything other than run fast in a straight line.
20% of the profit - orig swap deal with Albert valued at 7mill iirc
Can anyone actually confirm we are getting a percentage of the Traore sale ?
I've heard rumours of 20% but is this actually based on fact or just hope ?
The same Traore who got pelters on here.
Hardly surprising, given his inability with us to do anything other than run fast in a straight line.
He had natural ability, seeing people still try to deny this after the season he had last year is funny, but was clearly desperately in need of coaching and game time. Unfortunately Villa, for a number of years, seem to think coaching is something that stops once you get to the first team.
Or how you get to away games.The same Traore who got pelters on here.
Hardly surprising, given his inability with us to do anything other than run fast in a straight line.
He had natural ability, seeing people still try to deny this after the season he had last year is funny, but was clearly desperately in need of coaching and game time. Unfortunately Villa, for a number of years, seem to think coaching is something that stops once you get to the first team.
If players keep being good elsewhere, but don't of particularly well for us, I'd suggest the problem is ours, not theirs.
picking me up on an innocent typo is obviously more important to you Chris than finding ever-more cunning ways of associating the man's heinous character with a football transfer thread. A cheap shot if ever there was one.
My grandad died in a POW camp in WWIII. He fell off his guard tower. Sensitive subject.
My grandad died in a POW camp in WWIII. He fell off his guard tower. Sensitive subject.
Bernard Manning wants his joke back (and it was 'perished in Auschwitz' for extra offensiveness).
And it was WW2 as WW3 asn't happened yet.
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My grandad died in a POW camp in WWIII. He fell off his guard tower. Sensitive subject.
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Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
The same Traore who got pelters on here.
Hardly surprising, given his inability with us to do anything other than run fast in a straight line.
He had natural ability, seeing people still try to deny this after the season he had last year is funny, but was clearly desperately in need of coaching and game time. Unfortunately Villa, for a number of years, seem to think coaching is something that stops once you get to the first team.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
a smart move if, now that JT has departed, we play him in position.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
Nyland and Axel presumably?
Who, that Secrets bloke? Or Mysteryman? They made it exciting to be a Villa fan in the 2010's when no one much else did. For that, they'll have my thanks.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Nyland and Axel presumably?
Would be my guess too.
Nyland and Axel presumably?
Would be my guess too.
Almost certainly, given we don't appear to have any "paid" transfers in the bag yet. If we do buy somebody this window then it could well be 3 medicals lined up.
Personally i'm not expecting any "paid" transfers unless someone is sold. I would hope given our circumstances that a manager looking to build for the future would sanction the sale of someone if it meant 2 or 3 cheaper players coming in, but would that sale even allow that with FFP? As it stands, we seem to be very much stuck with very little room to maneuver.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
I think Saville puns simply trivialize the horrendous damage that repugnant man did to hundreds of innocent children . Enough, please?
If there are going to be any at least spell his name right, one ‘l’, Savile.
Changing the 'a' to an 'o' might be more apt too.
Is he a left back?
Is he a left back?
Yep - and a very good one at that! Can't believe that a premiership side is going to come-in for him at that price. Fingers crossed that this one happens...
Left back from Bristol city linked
The Bristol City left back looked really good whenever I saw him last season, work with somebody who supports Bristol City about him last season but he mumbles so haven’t a clue what he said. He’s never enthusiastic about anything so probably just as well I didn’t hear what he said.
The Bristol City left back looked really good whenever I saw him last season, work with somebody who supports Bristol City about him last season but he mumbles so haven’t a clue what he said. He’s never enthusiastic about anything so probably just as well I didn’t hear what he said.
That's the best ITK we've had for a long while.
The Bristol City left back looked really good whenever I saw him last season, work with somebody who supports Bristol City about him last season but he mumbles so haven’t a clue what he said. He’s never enthusiastic about anything so probably just as well I didn’t hear what he said.
That's the best ITK we've had for a long while.
Sounds like the West Country farmer from Hot Fuzz!
The Bristol City left back looked really good whenever I saw him last season, work with somebody who supports Bristol City, asked him about him last season but he mumbles so haven'’t a clue what he said. He'’s never enthusiastic about anything so probably just as well I didn’t hear what he said.
That's the best ITK we've had for a long while.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Given the only natural left back in that list is Taylor and he's fucking shit I think signing a good young left back is a great idea.
You have a point. I've written off Taylor, but with Hutton doing well there I agree £6m may be better spent on a striker or Grealish replacement.Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Given the only natural left back in that list is Taylor and he's fucking shit I think signing a good young left back is a great idea.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Given the only natural left back in that list is Taylor and he's fucking shit I think signing a good young left back is a great idea.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
He's also being linked with Wolves, Newcastle and Dirty Leeds so might he difficult.
A local (to Bristol) journalist on twitter was suggesting that they 'only' want £6m for him, but reckoned that £4m with add-ons might just do it...!
I must admit we do look a bit light on full backs, we've only got Elmo, Bree, De Laet, Taylor and Hutton to choose from. Makes sense really, a good use of our limited budget.
Given the only natural left back in that list is Taylor and he's fucking shit I think signing a good young left back is a great idea.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
The Bristol City left back looked really good whenever I saw him last season, work with somebody who supports Bristol City, asked him about him last season but he mumbles so haven'’t a clue what he said. He'’s never enthusiastic about anything so probably just as well I didn’t hear what he said.
That's the best ITK we've had for a long while.
Same person went to Milan last year for a long weekend, asked how it was "It was alright I suppose, rained a lot so just stayed in the hotel".
If he is in the last year of his contract, then £6m seems unlikely. I think Hourihane was into the last year of his deal and he didn't cost that much. It might all be a load of rubbish though.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
I think Hutton is fine there defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward, I thought he was ok last season but never understood why everyone hero worships him. I think Taylor is as useless to us as Richards and Bunn and we'd be better off without him. Bree and Elmo can't really play on the left from what I've seen and De Laet would be my choice at right back so, if we want to play wing backs or to have full backs that get forward and contribute in attack then a new left back is essential.
If he is in the last year of his contract, then £6m seems unlikely. I think Hourihane was into the last year of his deal and he didn't cost that much. It might all be a load of rubbish though.
Not rubbish I don't think, as BBC Bristol has the news that both Villa and Middlesboro' have had bids accepted by Bristol City and now down to player to decide. No fee mentioned though.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
I think Hutton is fine there defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward, I thought he was ok last season but never understood why everyone hero worships him. I think Taylor is as useless to us as Richards and Bunn and we'd be better off without him. Bree and Elmo can't really play on the left from what I've seen and De Laet would be my choice at right back so, if we want to play wing backs or to have full backs that get forward and contribute in attack then a new left back is essential.
It's not as essential as an experienced GK, another centre back (or even two seeing as we lost two), another striker or even a really good centre mid that can boss a game. I'd sooner play De Laet there, Elmo on the right and save £6m for other areas.
If we sign him, in a way good, but I'd like to think we will then go out and address the much more pressing issues. And comparing Taylor to Richards is just idiotic. A new left back is not in any way 'essential'.
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
I think Hutton is fine there defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward, I thought he was ok last season but never understood why everyone hero worships him. I think Taylor is as useless to us as Richards and Bunn and we'd be better off without him. Bree and Elmo can't really play on the left from what I've seen and De Laet would be my choice at right back so, if we want to play wing backs or to have full backs that get forward and contribute in attack then a new left back is essential.
It's not as essential as an experienced GK, another centre back (or even two seeing as we lost two), another striker or even a really good centre mid that can boss a game. I'd sooner play De Laet there, Elmo on the right and save £6m for other areas.
If we sign him, in a way good, but I'd like to think we will then go out and address the much more pressing issues. And comparing Taylor to Richards is just idiotic. A new left back is not in any way 'essential'.
Agree to a point, but if Bruce is serious about playing 3-5-2 this season, then I think bringing in a left wing-back is pretty important as it is a different type of position. If we are going to go with a back four, then I agree that a new left-back is somewhat of a luxury, but I think the requirements of playing wing-back are a bit different and I think anyone in the current squad would struggle to play that role on the left hand side. Due to the attacking demands of the role, I think it is difficult for someone to play wing-back on their 'wrong' side so Hutton, Elmohamady, De Laet and Bree would struggle on that side.
Boro agree fee too supposedly. Straight fight between the managerial dinosaurs.
Nyland is done and Axel didn't require a medical (presumably because he's had one less than 6 months ago) so the Brizzle lad is likely.
Sorts the back 5 out;
Norwegian fella
Brizzle Bloke
Chester
Him from Bevely Hills Cop/Man United
Hutton. Or Bree. Or De Laet.
I thought Chester's preferred position was left side of defence but he moved across to accommodate Appleyard?
I've only said back 5 to include the keeper and replace Jonstone.
I think we may play 3 at the back, but Axel would be the sweeper/spare man given he's so quick.
I've only said back 5 to include the keeper and replace Jonstone.
I think we may play 3 at the back, but Axel would be the sweeper/spare man given he's so quick.
He didn't exactly look too comfortable on the ball last season either Ads and I'm not sure he would be suited to playing that sweeper / spare man role. I think he would be better playing as one of the outside centre-backs as would the other options we have with the exception of Elphick and Jedinak. Unless we are going to play with a back four and he is viewed as Chester's partner for the season, I think it is a pretty underwhelming loan signing really.
Hope the Bristol lad comes off. Of course all supporters are biased, but on that Youtube comp the person uploading the video says "Best LB in the league imo.".. Best left back in the league, that's not something many Villa fans have said about the procession of absolute duds in recent years.
Tuanzebe deal done. Picture of him shirt stretching doing the rounds.Is that loan or permy? If done good and I think he should play at CB alongside Charlie in a 4.
I'm very surprised that so many people don't seem to have heard of him, let alone think that it would represent a good deal. He's been one of the stand-out players in the Championship for the past 2 seasons, in an area that we've been sorely lacking-in.Cheers Russell that sounds good.
If this was to be our only transfer dealing of the next week, then I'd agree it would probably represent money better spent elsewhere, but all of the indications are that there will be a number of incomings.
This (potential) deal reminds me of when Everton signed Leighton Baines. Granted we're in a division lower, but it's still a no-brainer for me if we can get him at that price. Either he becomes part of the team that takes us back to the top flight, or we sell him to a Premiership Club should we fail again. I'm sure we'd at least make our money back.
I've only said back 5 to include the keeper and replace Jonstone.
I think we may play 3 at the back, but Axel would be the sweeper/spare man given he's so quick.
He didn't exactly look too comfortable on the ball last season either Ads and I'm not sure he would be suited to playing that sweeper / spare man role. I think he would be better playing as one of the outside centre-backs as would the other options we have with the exception of Elphick and Jedinak. Unless we are going to play with a back four and he is viewed as Chester's partner for the season, I think it is a pretty underwhelming loan signing really.
Tuanzebe has a lot of potential, you obviously missed seeing him against Fulham away last season? Still very young and should be a lot better with the injury now behind him.
Bryan would be an unbelievably good signing in my humble opinion!
You didn't think Hutton played well there last season then? You must be the only one. How about Richie De Laet? I believe he's flexible too.
As far as this kid goes, if he's as good as made out then it's always good to see young talent signed up but if we are limited by FFP or anything else, £6m for a left back at this level when we already have plenty seems a bit crazy.
I think Hutton is fine there defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward, I thought he was ok last season but never understood why everyone hero worships him. I think Taylor is as useless to us as Richards and Bunn and we'd be better off without him. Bree and Elmo can't really play on the left from what I've seen and De Laet would be my choice at right back so, if we want to play wing backs or to have full backs that get forward and contribute in attack then a new left back is essential.
It's not as essential as an experienced GK, another centre back (or even two seeing as we lost two), another striker or even a really good centre mid that can boss a game. I'd sooner play De Laet there, Elmo on the right and save £6m for other areas.
If we sign him, in a way good, but I'd like to think we will then go out and address the much more pressing issues. And comparing Taylor to Richards is just idiotic. A new left back is not in any way 'essential'.
Supposedly 1 medical booked tomorrow and two on Wednesday , no names
Joe Bryan, signed, official.
Replace signed with accepted by Bristol, sorry.Joe Bryan, signed, official.
Where?
Forgive me for being wary of left backs called Joe.
Replace signed with accepted by Bristol, sorry.Joe Bryan, signed, official.
Where?
Forgive me for being wary of left backs called Joe.
The one planning in the Prem with Cardiff?
So £18m for Traore apparently gets us £3.6 @ 20% sell on. Kerching baby.
Lukas Nmecha, man city supposed to be with us tonight.
Lukas Nmecha, man city supposed to be with us tonight.
John McGinn from Hibs also set for talks according to Scottish Sun. Highly rated albeit in that league.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3033240/john-mcginn-celtic-aston-villa-hibs/
Thought Scottish Sun was passable? 😉
John McGinn from Hibs also set for talks according to Scottish Sun. Highly rated albeit in that league.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3033240/john-mcginn-celtic-aston-villa-hibs/
It's not a proper Villa team without a Scotsman.
John McGinn from Hibs also set for talks according to Scottish Sun. Highly rated albeit in that league.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3033240/john-mcginn-celtic-aston-villa-hibs/
It's not a proper Villa team without a Scotsman.
The one who scored tonight will do for now I reckon.
I'd quite like McGinn, but I am doubly-biased as I like Scottish players and wingers.
I'd quite like McGinn, but I am doubly-biased as I like Scottish players and wingers.
He's been mentioned before, but I thought he had been linked with a move to another club last week.
I'd quite like McGinn, but I am doubly-biased as I like Scottish players and wingers.
He's been mentioned before, but I thought he had been linked with a move to another club last week.
Smells of Celtic and think this villa link is to help get his move to them over the line.
A central midfielder is far from priority.
Bruce said we need a striker (looks like this Nzmech man city)) and confirmed more or less about talks for life of Bryan full back to show Tayls how's it's done.
Good to hear some links which are realisitic but not sure how credible McGuinn's thing is.
I'd quite like McGinn, but I am doubly-biased as I like Scottish players and wingers.
He's been mentioned before, but I thought he had been linked with a move to another club last week.
Smells of Celtic and think this villa link is to help get his move to them over the line.
A central midfielder is far from priority.
Bruce said we need a striker (looks like this Nzmech man city)) and confirmed more or less about talks for life of Bryan full back to show Tayls how's it's done.
Good to hear some links which are realisitic but not sure how credible McGuinn's thing is.
McGinn seems like he's got a lot of talent and could be a bit of a steal at the price. If we could get him, Bryan, the keeper and Nmecha in before the deadline we will be looking better.
Get Gardner, Lansbury, McCormack off the books too it would be a miracle.
Oh and keep Jack.
McGinn seems like he's got a lot of talent and could be a bit of a steal at the price. If we could get him, Bryan, the keeper and Nmecha in before the deadline we will be looking better.
Get Gardner, Lansbury, McCormack off the books too it would be a miracle.
Oh and keep Jack.
You live in cloud cuckoo land, next thing you’ll want is a couple of billionaires to rescue the club and lead us to European glory........UTV
McGinn could be the tonic in our midfield. But I have just tanqueray about how we're paying for him?
Oh God, no. Don't know anything about him but can't be arsed with the inevitable punfest. Just don't.
McGinn could be the tonic in our midfield. But I have just tanqueray about how we're paying for him?
Speculation we are after Hendricks too.
McGinn could be the tonic in our midfield. But I have just tanqueray about how we're paying for him?
Speculation we are after Hendricks too.
Nah, he's signing for Plymouth.
Oh God, no. Don't know anything about him but can't be arsed with the inevitable punfest. Just don't.
No, that would be awful.
i spoke to a mate who works on the scottish football for sky, says mcginn would be an excellent signing for us.Let’s hope Celtic don’t ice us out with a slice of Scottish Spirit.
celtic heave been in for him all season, the issue has been the fee because hibs need to pass on a third of it to st mirren.
Reported yesterday that we had postponed a medical slot from mon to Tuesday and 2 booked for Wednesday. Bearing in mind the new keeper, Bristol city lad, Man City lad in directors box last night, JOHN McGinn, Abraham’s and couple of others mentioned, I wonder who will be the ones fitting into medical slots allocated or genuinely at the top of the clubs priority wanted list ?
McGinn could be the tonic in our midfield. But I have just tanqueray about how we're paying for him?
Speculation we are after Hendricks too.
Nah, he's signing for Plymouth.
Reported yesterday that we had postponed a medical slot from mon to Tuesday and 2 booked for Wednesday. Bearing in mind the new keeper, Bristol city lad, Man City lad in directors box last night, JOHN McGinn, Abraham’s and couple of others mentioned, I wonder who will be the ones fitting into medical slots allocated or genuinely at the top of the clubs priority wanted list ?
Reported yesterday that we had postponed a medical slot from mon to Tuesday and 2 booked for Wednesday. Bearing in mind the new keeper, Bristol city lad, Man City lad in directors box last night, JOHN McGinn, Abraham’s and couple of others mentioned, I wonder who will be the ones fitting into medical slots allocated or genuinely at the top of the clubs priority wanted list ?
The medical was for Hendricks, but he got stuck in Crosstown Traffic.
As ever we need a midfielder with a left foot like Gordon's.
I heard that he slipped getting out of the BathtubReported yesterday that we had postponed a medical slot from mon to Tuesday and 2 booked for Wednesday. Bearing in mind the new keeper, Bristol city lad, Man City lad in directors box last night, JOHN McGinn, Abraham’s and couple of others mentioned, I wonder who will be the ones fitting into medical slots allocated or genuinely at the top of the clubs priority wanted list ?
The medical was for Hendricks, but he got stuck in Crosstown Traffic.
just read something saying Boro were interested in Kodjia
I had to Google what you lot were on about regarding Gin.
Are there any other other Mad Men like me on this forum who didn't get that selection of Hendricks puns ?
I'm not really sure what is going on with the goalkeeping situation at this point. Thought Steer did OK last night and made some good saves, and saw that Bunn was on the bench. I'm presuming Sarkic is still at the club, so I can't quite understand why we are signing another two keepers unless a couple are going out.I wouldn't be happy with either as my No.1 so I'm glad we're looking at Nyland. I think Bruce was being polite about keeper injuries, I think he really means they aren't good enough.
I'm not really sure what is going on with the goalkeeping situation at this point. Thought Steer did OK last night and made some good saves, and saw that Bunn was on the bench. I'm presuming Sarkic is still at the club, so I can't quite understand why we are signing another two keepers unless a couple are going out.I wouldn't be happy with either as my No.1 so I'm glad we're looking at Nyland. I think Bruce was being polite about keeper injuries, I think he really means they aren't good enough.
I'm not really sure what is going on with the goalkeeping situation at this point. Thought Steer did OK last night and made some good saves, and saw that Bunn was on the bench. I'm presuming Sarkic is still at the club, so I can't quite understand why we are signing another two keepers unless a couple are going out.I wouldn't be happy with either as my No.1 so I'm glad we're looking at Nyland. I think Bruce was being polite about keeper injuries, I think he really means they aren't good enough.
That's fair enough, but that is going to leave us with five keepers in the squad.
I'm not really sure what is going on with the goalkeeping situation at this point. Thought Steer did OK last night and made some good saves, and saw that Bunn was on the bench. I'm presuming Sarkic is still at the club, so I can't quite understand why we are signing another two keepers unless a couple are going out.I wouldn't be happy with either as my No.1 so I'm glad we're looking at Nyland. I think Bruce was being polite about keeper injuries, I think he really means they aren't good enough.
That's fair enough, but that is going to leave us with five keepers in the squad.
I thought sarkic was out of contract and bunn the same. Wouldn't be surprised if bunn is now the goal keeping coach.
Steer is obviously not rated so needs to be replaced and the athletico keeper must be on a loan to buy if we really rate him as one for the future.
Otherwise you are 100% spot on 5 keepers is over kill
Just checked wiki and Sarkic signed a 3 year deal in 2015 and was on loan at Wigan last season and never played a game for them. Think this says it all
Me neither based on Last nights selfishness again.... as long as we then bring in 2 strikersjust read something saying Boro were interested in Kodjia
I wouldn't mind seeing Kod leave
Apparently John McGinn's just rocked up at Bodymoor Heath, or whatever it's called now.😂 Recon training complex....where is that info from ?
Apparently John McGinn's just rocked up at Bodymoor Heath, or whatever it's called now.
Well obviously in their eyes how can we sign anyone without cashing in on Jack.
Albert has gone right off the boil... £20m and he is yours Forest...
Well obviously in their eyes how can we sign anyone without cashing in on Jack.
Yeah, I get that: but the media w*nkfest surrounding Jack's impending sale makes me wanna puke.
You're right... 15 goals last season and loads of assists... the more you think about it £20m doesn't seem to be enough.
Albert has gone right off the boil... £20m and he is yours Forest...
Apparently John McGinn's just rocked up at Bodymoor Heath, or whatever it's called now.
I was just away to say the self-same. Dim White on Talkshite unsurprisingly qualified the news with a leading question about JG being off. The smarmy tosser.
If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I wasn't suggesting that the projected sales would accrue as much as Grealish, but my interpretation of the current situation is that we no longer need to secure transfer fees at any cost because we have until March 2019 to address FFP. We need, for sure, to turn some players over in order to bring some in but it is not as desperate as it could have been now that we have new investors.If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I love you're positivity, but unfortunately I don't think all that mob would bring in anything like the money Jack will go for. Of all the wasters still on the books - it's Kodja I'm most annoyed with atm. I appreciate he's come back from serious injury, but his current attitude stinks. At least Albert made a good contribution last season & doesn't look like he doesn't give a stuff. Sadly I'd imagine AA will be of far more interest to other clubs currently than the sulky Ivorian.
I had to Google what you lot were on about regarding Gin.
Are there any other other Mad Men like me on this forum who didn't get that selection of Hendricks puns ?
Apparently John McGinn's just rocked up at Bodymoor Heath, or whatever it's called now.
I was just away to say the self-same. Dim White on Talkshite unsurprisingly qualified the news with a leading question about JG being off. The smarmy tosser.
When sky report he’s at training ground for talks, who will those talks be with do we think now?
Who’s our chief negotiator now wyness and round have gone ?
Pretty sure she left with staff cutbacks having been on an extremely good salary apparentlyApparently John McGinn's just rocked up at Bodymoor Heath, or whatever it's called now.
I was just away to say the self-same. Dim White on Talkshite unsurprisingly qualified the news with a leading question about JG being off. The smarmy tosser.
When sky report he’s at training ground for talks, who will those talks be with do we think now?
Who’s our chief negotiator now wyness and round have gone ?
Player liaison Lorna McClelland(?), she helped translate the Ligue Une signings three years ago. Hopefully her multi-lingual abilities stretch to Scottish.
McClelland left Villa two years ago, after relegation from the Premier League. She continues to work with sportspeople as a co-founder of GCSportsCare, which provides advice, support and counselling to people with mental health issues or addictions. The former footballer Gary Charles is the managing director.
Personally I would like to see both Kodjia and Adomah stay.
Villa linked to Negredo according to Brum Mail and other sites, at 32 he doesn't fit into the young player bracket.
I wasn't suggesting that the projected sales would accrue as much as Grealish, but my interpretation of the current situation is that we no longer need to secure transfer fees at any cost because we have until March 2019 to address FFP. We need, for sure, to turn some players over in order to bring some in but it is not as desperate as it could have been now that we have new investors.If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I love you're positivity, but unfortunately I don't think all that mob would bring in anything like the money Jack will go for. Of all the wasters still on the books - it's Kodja I'm most annoyed with atm. I appreciate he's come back from serious injury, but his current attitude stinks. At least Albert made a good contribution last season & doesn't look like he doesn't give a stuff. Sadly I'd imagine AA will be of far more interest to other clubs currently than the sulky Ivorian.
I think for FFP it could be partly a case of kicking the can. If we sell Jack and cover the FFP gap plus a surplus of 10m we can then bring in some players with total outlay over the surplus because the player sale is realised immediately in the accounts while the player purchases are amortised over the lifetime of their contracts. Could be a case of us trying to do that....I wasn't suggesting that the projected sales would accrue as much as Grealish, but my interpretation of the current situation is that we no longer need to secure transfer fees at any cost because we have until March 2019 to address FFP. We need, for sure, to turn some players over in order to bring some in but it is not as desperate as it could have been now that we have new investors.If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I love you're positivity, but unfortunately I don't think all that mob would bring in anything like the money Jack will go for. Of all the wasters still on the books - it's Kodja I'm most annoyed with atm. I appreciate he's come back from serious injury, but his current attitude stinks. At least Albert made a good contribution last season & doesn't look like he doesn't give a stuff. Sadly I'd imagine AA will be of far more interest to other clubs currently than the sulky Ivorian.
Again - I'd love to believe you're on the money regarding our FFP sitch Vs the possibility of keeping our biggest asset for this season, but I'm resigned to losing Jack imminently through necessity. Quite how the owners will manage to balance the books without further sales is a mystery to me, but I'm sure the financial meltdown that Xia created will be rectified by them over the coming months. I just hope to god that any players that replace those exiting will manage to fill the glaring gaps that'll be left.
Villa linked to Negredo according to Brum Mail and other sites, at 32 he doesn't fit into the young player bracket.
I think for FFP it could be partly a case of kicking the can. If we sell Jack and cover the FFP gap plus a surplus of 10m we can then bring in some players with total outlay over the surplus because the player sale is realised immediately in the accounts while the player purchases are amortised over the lifetime of their contracts. Could be a case of us trying to do that....I wasn't suggesting that the projected sales would accrue as much as Grealish, but my interpretation of the current situation is that we no longer need to secure transfer fees at any cost because we have until March 2019 to address FFP. We need, for sure, to turn some players over in order to bring some in but it is not as desperate as it could have been now that we have new investors.If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I love you're positivity, but unfortunately I don't think all that mob would bring in anything like the money Jack will go for. Of all the wasters still on the books - it's Kodja I'm most annoyed with atm. I appreciate he's come back from serious injury, but his current attitude stinks. At least Albert made a good contribution last season & doesn't look like he doesn't give a stuff. Sadly I'd imagine AA will be of far more interest to other clubs currently than the sulky Ivorian.
Again - I'd love to believe you're on the money regarding our FFP sitch Vs the possibility of keeping our biggest asset for this season, but I'm resigned to losing Jack imminently through necessity. Quite how the owners will manage to balance the books without further sales is a mystery to me, but I'm sure the financial meltdown that Xia created will be rectified by them over the coming months. I just hope to god that any players that replace those exiting will manage to fill the glaring gaps that'll be left.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/06/player-liaison-officer-aston-villa-lorna-mclellandOnce again SGT pioneered.QuoteMcClelland left Villa two years ago, after relegation from the Premier League. She continues to work with sportspeople as a co-founder of GCSportsCare, which provides advice, support and counselling to people with mental health issues or addictions. The former footballer Gary Charles is the managing director.
Personally I would like to see both Kodjia and Adomah stay.
McGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
McGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
Source?
McGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
Source?
Villa Transfers on twitterMcGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
Source?
McGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
They call him Russ.Ah, Russ Abbot, welcome to Villa Park. Hope you like the ‘atmosphere’
haha not really, perhaps just hope that we'll find a way to bring in some quality before the deadlineI think for FFP it could be partly a case of kicking the can. If we sell Jack and cover the FFP gap plus a surplus of 10m we can then bring in some players with total outlay over the surplus because the player sale is realised immediately in the accounts while the player purchases are amortised over the lifetime of their contracts. Could be a case of us trying to do that....I wasn't suggesting that the projected sales would accrue as much as Grealish, but my interpretation of the current situation is that we no longer need to secure transfer fees at any cost because we have until March 2019 to address FFP. We need, for sure, to turn some players over in order to bring some in but it is not as desperate as it could have been now that we have new investors.If we sold Kodj and AA but kept Grealish, that would be an amazing result in the context of the recent financial challenges and FFP. McGinn, Bryan and Powell coming in would also be excellent.
Now, Richards, McCormack, Lansbury, Gardner … how can we offload?!
I love you're positivity, but unfortunately I don't think all that mob would bring in anything like the money Jack will go for. Of all the wasters still on the books - it's Kodja I'm most annoyed with atm. I appreciate he's come back from serious injury, but his current attitude stinks. At least Albert made a good contribution last season & doesn't look like he doesn't give a stuff. Sadly I'd imagine AA will be of far more interest to other clubs currently than the sulky Ivorian.
Again - I'd love to believe you're on the money regarding our FFP sitch Vs the possibility of keeping our biggest asset for this season, but I'm resigned to losing Jack imminently through necessity. Quite how the owners will manage to balance the books without further sales is a mystery to me, but I'm sure the financial meltdown that Xia created will be rectified by them over the coming months. I just hope to god that any players that replace those exiting will manage to fill the glaring gaps that'll be left.
Fair play to you, David. You evidently know a damned-sight more about FFP than I ever will! ;)
A rival to Hercules for Bella (embergs ) attention.They call him Russ.Ah, Russ Abbot, welcome to Villa Park. Hope you like the ‘atmosphere’
We bought a bot.
We bought a bot.
Classic Faith No More.
Bryan at 4m initial and 25k per week wages is 2.3m per year on FFP.
McGinn at 2.1m initial and 15k per week is circa £1.3m.
Added together, it's less than the Traore income. Ergo not evidence that Jack is off.
Lets criticise for something he hasn't said about a player we are not buying...Villa linked to Negredo according to Brum Mail and other sites, at 32 he doesn't fit into the young player bracket.
Cue Bruce repeating the ol' "you can never have too much experience" chestnut. ::)
According to Sky Sports we're still interested in Ben Woodburn, despite the fact he signed a loan deal with Sheffield United on 31 July.
AVTransfers guy saying 2 medicals booked for tomorrow
AVTransfers guy saying 2 medicals booked for tomorrow
Joe Bryan and ?
Lets criticise for something he hasn't said about a player we are not buying...Villa linked to Negredo according to Brum Mail and other sites, at 32 he doesn't fit into the young player bracket.
Cue Bruce repeating the ol' "you can never have too much experience" chestnut. ::)
AVTransfers guy saying 2 medicals booked for tomorrow
Joe Bryan and ?
McGinn as been mentioned.
McGinn is the new Benni McCarthy. A player you somehow feel was destined for VP. Like Tony Cascarino.
McGinn and Bryan have their medicals tomorrow.
Got Creeque Alley in my brain now,
McGinn and Bryan just a gettin higher,
At VP you know where that’s at,
And no one’s gettin fat except Ross McCormack
The Man City lad looks handy if we get him. And Ojo would be a good loan out wide, this allowing Green to possibly play through the middle. If Kodjia rediscovers a bit of confidence, Green has shown he can play through the middle, Hogan is still here, Davis is still here and we could be getting the kid from Man City, plus RHM and Knibbs we have a fair few strikers. Just got to get them going a bit.
The Man City lad looks handy if we get him. And Ojo would be a good loan out wide, this allowing Green to possibly play through the middle. If Kodjia rediscovers a bit of confidence, Green has shown he can play through the middle, Hogan is still here, Davis is still here and we could be getting the kid from Man City, plus RHM and Knibbs we have a fair few strikers. Just got to get them going a bit.
None of those mentioned are the type of striker we need though. As last night showed again, we play a lot of long balls up to the striker and we need someone with a physical presence who can hold the ball up.
With the way Bruce plays you would be better off with Gestede back. Assombolonga always looks out of shape to me, and we have a prolific short fat striker already.
With the way Bruce plays you would be better off with Gestede back. Assombolonga always looks out of shape to me, and we have a prolific short fat striker already.
Gestede was a dreadful target man, he attacked a ball well but couldn’t hold up play at all.
Lots of midfielders already at club can’t get a game and we’re buying more, but surely our desperation dept is strikers. Lots mentioned but no arrivals at training ground or rumours of medical as booked.....should we be concerned ?
Lots of midfielders already at club can’t get a game and we’re buying more, but surely our desperation dept is strikers. Lots mentioned but no arrivals at training ground or rumours of medical as booked.....should we be concerned ?
Agree . Just hope the balance in overall squad will be there as lots of cover in that area , GK And right backs.
The Man City lad looks handy if we get him. And Ojo would be a good loan out wide, this allowing Green to possibly play through the middle. If Kodjia rediscovers a bit of confidence, Green has shown he can play through the middle, Hogan is still here, Davis is still here and we could be getting the kid from Man City, plus RHM and Knibbs we have a fair few strikers. Just got to get them going a bit.
None of those mentioned are the type of striker we need though. As last night showed again, we play a lot of long balls up to the striker and we need someone with a physical presence who can hold the ball up.
Hence my Gestede comment. We need a target man.
Celtic matched personal terms we have offered to McGinn up to player to decide according to the Scotish press
What about Bristol Bryan, is he still weighing-up Pulis and Bruce, dreaming of them in his sleep?
Speaking ahead of tomorrow’s Champions League qualifier against AEK Athens, Celtic manager Rodgers said: “He is a player that we clearly wanted to bring here. “I was really interested in bringing him in from a few months back. “We haven’t been able to complete a deal and when of course when you don’t complete a deal on a player it always opens the door for other teams – a club like Aston Villa, who have clearly interest in him, who have a big history of their own, a great club with excellent facilities and now financial backing. “So we have to wait and see on that one.”
Shame if Celtic have used us a stalking horse to get McGinn over the line, he looks a genuinely good player, and should test himself in a competitive league, not one where there are 30 pre season friendlies and a few local derbies. Oh and going out of Europe at the first opportunity.
With the way Bruce plays you would be better off with Gestede back. Assombolonga always looks out of shape to me, and we have a prolific short fat striker already.
Gestede was a dreadful target man, he attacked a ball well but couldn’t hold up play at all.
Watching him trying to trap the thing was enough to make a grown man weep.
I reckon we will get McGinn if it's a choice between us and Celtic. And Rodgers sounds like he fancies the Villa job at some point in the future.
I reckon we will get McGinn if it's a choice between us and Celtic. And Rodgers sounds like he fancies the Villa job at some point in the future.
he needs to make up his mind sharpish , time is running out and we'll need all of it to get someone else in.
I doubt Celtic have offered him £23k p/w as has been reported. They cannot afford wages like that when realistically Brown is likely to be the starter for the next 2 seasons.
At Hibbs he's on less than £5k.
Must of been asked already, but who's doing the dealing at our end?
Rodgers will be our next manager when we're up, I reckon.
Rodgers will be our next manager when we're up, I reckon.Could well be.
Rodgers will be our next manager when we're up, I reckon.
I'd be pretty happy with that.
I'd like to see Lansbury, Gardner, Whelan, Richards and McCormack offloaded over the next 24 hours: I think that would send out a massive to the remaining squad-members that we really do believe in them. I'd like to see Doyle-Hayes progressively introduced into a new, youthful and invigorated MF including McGinn and Grealish.
A Boro fan here is claiming that hey are after Hugill: we should be trying to get him if the Citeh loan-player is not happening.
Would be an unusual one, considering he moved for big money not so long back.his goalscoring record makes heskey look prolific
------------------Nyland------------------The way he's been preforming for the last 6 months, Adomah sits on the bench for me.
--------Tuenzebe---Chester---Hutton---
-Elmo----------------------------Bryant-
------------Hourahane---McGinn--------
------------------Grealish----------------
------------Kodjia-------Adomah--------
Subs:
Steer
De Laet
Jedinak
Thor
Green
Davis
Hogan
Christ, if we have a bit of luck with injuries and that lot doesn't get us up I don't know what will.
------------------Nyland------------------The way he's been preforming for the last 6 months, Adomah sits on the bench for me.
--------Tuenzebe---Chester---Hutton---
-Elmo----------------------------Bryant-
------------Hourahane---McGinn--------
------------------Grealish----------------
------------Kodjia-------Adomah--------
Subs:
Steer
De Laet
Jedinak
Thor
Green
Davis
Hogan
Christ, if we have a bit of luck with injuries and that lot doesn't get us up I don't know what will.
The Watford forward Isaac Success has been mentioned by Dean Richards of the bleacher report.
The Watford forward Isaac Success has been mentioned by Dean Richards of the bleacher report.
The Watford forward Isaac Success has been mentioned by Dean Richards of the bleacher report.
Great name. Although still not as great as Danny Invincible. Now that's the sort of name that should be a comic strip character in Roy of the Rovers.
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
The Watford forward Isaac Success has been mentioned by Dean Richards of the bleacher report.
Great name. Although still not as great as Danny Invincible. Now that's the sort of name that should be a comic strip character in Roy of the Rovers.
Or even better 'Roy Of The Rovers'. ;)
I want to hear of the ink having dried on a couple of contracts. Anyone have any idea if the medicals have been completed on McGill and Bryan?Both medicals completed according to Villatransfers
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
Yes, no doubt with 8 centre halves and a goalie alongside them
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
Yes, no doubt with 8 centre halves and a goalie alongside them
He’s also going to dispense with wingers and just have catapults positioned on the touch line.
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
Yes, no doubt with 8 centre halves and a goalie alongside them
He’s also going to dispense with wingers and just have catapults positioned on the touch line.
The dystopian Pulis future: AI Robots hurling long throw ins from inside the Boro half into the mixer towards angry simpletons.
Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
Yes, no doubt with 8 centre halves and a goalie alongside them
He’s also going to dispense with wingers and just have catapults positioned on the touch line.
The dystopian Pulis future: AI Robots hurling long throw ins from inside the Boro half into the mixer towards angry simpletons.
New signing to be announced at 7.30 according to the OS.Twitter link also now posted live interview at 7.30
We're becoming very media savvy, I'm very impressed. Is this down to the alleged blue now running the show? Can hardly contain my excitement, wonder how long after the reveal Sky pipe up more breaking news? ;)New signing to be announced at 7.30 according to the OS.Twitter link also now posted live interview at 7.30
It’s Jack resigning!
Please let this be true.It’s Jack resigning!
That was my first thought. It would be very funny.
With shirts made from terry towelling.Hugill going to Boro on loan by the look of it
Of course he is. Now they have two big lumps to hoof the ball up to. Tiny Penis must be very excited right now.
Yes, no doubt with 8 centre halves and a goalie alongside them
He’s also going to dispense with wingers and just have catapults positioned on the touch line.
The dystopian Pulis future: AI Robots hurling long throw ins from inside the Boro half into the mixer towards angry simpletons.
All wearing baseball caps and sliding in 3 footed and 4 feet high, studs up
New signing to be announced at 7.30 according to the OS.If I phone Sky would I be an inside source?
Please let this be true.It’s Jack resigning!
That was my first thought. It would be very funny.
Anyone think the cut out is actually him?It would be the greatest Fuck You Spurs ever,ever.
It won’t be as they refer to the signing as our fourth of the summer.:(
I'm still waiting for Admin to enter the forum before I believe anything.
He's just said there or thereabouts. Get rid of him.
My guess is we'll have Bryan as the last perm signing and 2 more loans.Bryan to Fulham, so we need LB plus quality striker or 2
My guess is we'll have Bryan as the last perm signing and 2 more loans.Bryan to Fulham, so we need LB plus quality striker or 2
My guess is we'll have Bryan as the last perm signing and 2 more loans.Bryan to Fulham, so we need LB plus quality striker or 2
Has that happened?
My guess is we'll have Bryan as the last perm signing and 2 more loans.Bryan to Fulham, so we need LB plus quality striker or 2
Has that happened?
No, but some people seem determined to see the worst in every situation we find ourselves in.
Still being linked with Knudsen from Ipswich, Sheyi Ojo from Liverpool and a winger from Peterborough, who's name escapes me. We really could do with a hold up player up front too. It's great having two transfer deadlines with the loan window still open. With the Bryan transfer seemingly dead, we have a few million pounds burning a hole in our pocket.
Still being linked with Knudsen from Ipswich, Sheyi Ojo from Liverpool and a winger from Peterborough, who's name escapes me. We really could do with a hold up player up front too. It's great having two transfer deadlines with the loan window still open. With the Bryan transfer seemingly dead, we have a few million pounds burning a hole in our pocket.
Maddison is the Peterborough winger, I think.
Albert to Leeds rumours surfacing again
Albert to Leeds rumours surfacing again
Wouldn’t be against this, as long as he’s replaced. 30 and in his last year, went off the boil. Could command reasonable money
In a squad with a selection of non-scoring and non-playing strikers, I don't see how someone who scores goals and can play in a variety of roles can be deemed surplus to requirements
You have to bear in mind that if we stick with 352, then Albert becomes a bit surplus as we don't play with wingers.
That said, he could play as a wing back and also striker if we're short. If we sell, it would have to be for at least what we paid for him which I believe is £7mil.
No it was more like £7-8m
We're not playing 3 5 2 yet.In a squad with a selection of non-scoring and non-playing strikers, I don't see how someone who scores goals and can play in a variety of roles can be deemed surplus to requirements
Because he is a winger and a 352 system doesn't have wingers.
No it was more like £7-8m
I thought it was a swap deal for Traore. Straight swap, no cash.
I can’t stand Pontus Janson. Remember last season when one of our players tackled him around the midriff and the cheating bastard rolled around holding his face.
No it was more like £7-8m
I thought it was a swap deal for Traore. Straight swap, no cash.
Yes, but they were both valued at £7m, so that's the value in the accounts and what FFP would be calculated on.
Albert to Leeds rumours surfacing again
Wouldn’t be against this, as long as he’s replaced. 30 and in his last year, went off the boil. Could command reasonable money
Dennis Wise is a bit of a cock isn't he.
Dennis Wise is a bit of a cock isn't he.
no Tuscan you are incorrect.... he is the biggest of cocks of the highest order
UTV
The Doc
Every player wants to leave their clubs according to SSN
should be changed to Such Shit News
we're being linked now with a striker from Dijon - can he cut the mustard?
I'd still hope we'd go in for a left-back with Bryan headed elsewhere. Knudsen at Ipswich has been linked and looks decent...
I guess Luke Shaws wages would be a problem getting him in on loan.
I guess Luke Shaws wages would be a problem getting him in on loan.
or Oleksandr Zinchenko on loan :)
Think we need a left back and a striker, minimum.
The last 35 minutes they have shown the reporter at Palace getting splashed...breaking news.
I am FAR from Hutton's biggest fan but it's not like he's totally shit at left back. Granted he adds zero in terms of attacking but there's usually at least six players ahead of him on the pitch to do that
I'd much rather we don't get a LB if it's only done through panic and not someone we've actually studied and targeted before today
Aston Villa assessing a deal for Dijon striker Julio Tavares
The Daily Mail are claiming that Championship side Aston Villa are considering a deadline day move for Dijon striker Julio Tavares.
The outlet claims that a deal could be done for £2.5m, but Get French Football News understands that Dijon would be looking for considerably more than that in order to sell the Cape Verde international.
*****
If we do sign him, perhaps Heaven won't be missing an Angel after all.
Aston Villa assessing a deal for Dijon striker Julio Tavares
The Daily Mail are claiming that Championship side Aston Villa are considering a deadline day move for Dijon striker Julio Tavares.
The outlet claims that a deal could be done for £2.5m, but Get French Football News understands that Dijon would be looking for considerably more than that in order to sell the Cape Verde international.
*****
If we do sign him, perhaps Heaven won't be missing an Angel after all.
Hopefully they get the paperwork signed a bit quicker than in the Bryan non-deal. It Only Takes a Minute, afterall.
Aston Villa assessing a deal for Dijon striker Julio Tavares
The Daily Mail are claiming that Championship side Aston Villa are considering a deadline day move for Dijon striker Julio Tavares.
The outlet claims that a deal could be done for £2.5m, but Get French Football News understands that Dijon would be looking for considerably more than that in order to sell the Cape Verde international.
*****
If we do sign him, perhaps Heaven won't be missing an Angel after all.
The Man Citeh lad who was sitting with Alex Bruce on Monday has gone to Preston, by the looks of it.
If Sky Sports News were banned from using the word 'understands' they'd not be able to cope
I reckon before the end of August we will have Snodgrass back on loan and we’re linked Success also. So doesn’t have to all happen today. A LB would be nice but if after RDL comes back Hutton goes to LB it’s certainly not the end of the world.
Bit of irony if we end up gazumping Brizzle
Bristol City and Aston Villa linked with Chelsea left-back - everything to know about Jay Dasilva
All you need to know about the England under-20 international
13:14, 9 AUG 2018Updated13:44, 9 AUG 2018
Bristol City are closing in on a deal for Chelsea youngster Jay Dasilva.
Chelsea are expected to sell or loan out up to 15 players by the end of August, and Dasilva looks to be part of this offload.
Bristol City defender Joe Bryan will complete his move to Premier League club Fulham today after he made a U-turn on Aston Villa at the 11th hour.
And Dasilva is set to be his replacement although there is late interest from Aston Villa.
Dasilva spent last season on loan at Charlton, made 44 appearances, and looks set for a move to the Championship. At Charlton he was named player of the year.
“I’m definitely surprised,” Dasilva told Charlton’s official website after picking up the honour. “But I’m very delighted and proud to have won it.
I’m enjoying this transfer window due mainly to the fact we don’t have to interpret the ridiculous emojis of a mentalist chinaman.
Stuart James: Been told that the Ryan Woods to Swansea deal is ‘definitely off’. Player ready to travel and do medical, but Swansea not willing to pay the £6.5m fee.
Stuart James: Been told that the Ryan Woods to Swansea deal is ‘definitely off’. Player ready to travel and do medical, but Swansea not willing to pay the £6.5m fee.
I assume that ship has sailed for us, similar sort of position to McGinn?
Stuart James: Been told that the Ryan Woods to Swansea deal is ‘definitely off’. Player ready to travel and do medical, but Swansea not willing to pay the £6.5m fee.
I assume that ship has sailed for us, similar sort of position to McGinn?
Yep.
Bit of irony if we end up gazumping Brizzle
Bristol City and Aston Villa linked with Chelsea left-back - everything to know about Jay Dasilva
All you need to know about the England under-20 international
13:14, 9 AUG 2018Updated13:44, 9 AUG 2018
Bristol City are closing in on a deal for Chelsea youngster Jay Dasilva.
Chelsea are expected to sell or loan out up to 15 players by the end of August, and Dasilva looks to be part of this offload.
Bristol City defender Joe Bryan will complete his move to Premier League club Fulham today after he made a U-turn on Aston Villa at the 11th hour.
And Dasilva is set to be his replacement although there is late interest from Aston Villa.
Dasilva spent last season on loan at Charlton, made 44 appearances, and looks set for a move to the Championship. At Charlton he was named player of the year.
“I’m definitely surprised,” Dasilva told Charlton’s official website after picking up the honour. “But I’m very delighted and proud to have won it.
I suggested him on this thread about a week ago, he's pretty much exactly what we should be after, if we can get him with a 'future fee following promotion' deal then we should do everything to get this one over the line.
It wasn't a straight swap, they just sort of cancelled each other out. I think there was a week or two between the deals.
Forgive me for being wary of left backs called Joe.
Forgive me for being wary of left backs called Joe.
I fucking told you all. Shithouses, the lot of 'em.
Forgive me for being wary of left backs called Joe.
I fucking told you all. Shithouses, the lot of 'em.
The wisest thing you've said on here in forever.
I wonder if there's anything stopping us agreeing a loan with a view to buy in January?
Really concerned we didn’t get a centre back in. The thought of Elphick scares me.We have Axel...
I wonder if there's anything stopping us agreeing a loan with a view to buy in January?
Why would there?
Really concerned we didn’t get a centre back in. The thought of Elphick scares me.
Everton have done well to get Mina, which means Manure lost out on him and Maguire. West Ham have signed our old friend Carlos Sanchez. Great that we have kept Jack and we now have three weeks to bring in some loans. We need a centre half and a goalscorer at the very least. How many loans are we allowed?
We have enough keepers to sink a raft.
We're well stocked with Hutton, RDL and Bree at right back. RDL offers a wing back role too.
Left back we need to strengthen in the loan market as I'd go with Hutton over Taylor.
Centre half it's been great keeping Chester. I rate Axel and think his reading of the game and outrageous pace will benefit us. Tommy E still looks shakey in confidence and will do some right followed by something iffy. Worry if Axel's injuries dog him.
Holding midfield we couldn't be better stocked. Whelan was our best player the other night, Jedi is excellent on ocassion and Thor offers more mobility. I'd certainly favour the latter at home.
Central midfield, keeping Jack was huge. He's the best player in the league by a country mile. Hourihane has a knack for goals, but he drifts out of games for large periods. Reminds me of Hitz. McGinn adds some dynamism we've been lacking and I'm looking forward to his bustle in midfield.
Then there's Angela who appears to have some talent but doesn't do it anywhere near enough. One good pass and 5 minutes thinking about it. In any event, there's not a side in the league as strong centrally as us.
Wide we have Green to add some pace this year and Albert. Definitely think we should pick up some more electric pace out wide, as we're going to need to replace Snoddy's delivery.
Up top Kodjia needs some confidence. Davis and RHM are very raw but promising and Hogan we can't seem to get a tune from. Again, another spot to fill with somebody who can hold the ball up.
Considering what could have been, this has been a remarkable summer.
I reckon it's loans for us now. There must be some quality youngsters at premier league clubs we could get in. Priority is a striker followed by a left back and then a winger
I see Ings has gone to Southampton in loan which converts to a £20m sale next summer. Looks like a way around the transfer window to me.
I see Ings has gone to Southampton in loan which converts to a £20m sale next summer. Looks like a way around the transfer window to me.
I imagine that is because they wouldn't have had time to do the medical before the deadline. With Ings' recent record i expect Southampton's insurers will want stringent checks and this gives them an out of he breaks down after a few games.
Leighton Baines as our new left full-back...interesting suggestion. I've not watched MOTD since we were relegated so have no idea if he's still decent or has lost pace etc.
We have enough keepers to sink a raft.
We're well stocked with Hutton, RDL and Bree at right back. RDL offers a wing back role too.
Left back we need to strengthen in the loan market as I'd go with Hutton over Taylor.
Centre half it's been great keeping Chester. I rate Axel and think his reading of the game and outrageous pace will benefit us. Tommy E still looks shakey in confidence and will do some right followed by something iffy. Worry if Axel's injuries dog him.
Holding midfield we couldn't be better stocked. Whelan was our best player the other night, Jedi is excellent on ocassion and Thor offers more mobility. I'd certainly favour the latter at home.
Central midfield, keeping Jack was huge. He's the best player in the league by a country mile. Hourihane has a knack for goals, but he drifts out of games for large periods. Reminds me of Hitz. McGinn adds some dynamism we've been lacking and I'm looking forward to his bustle in midfield.
Then there's Angela who appears to have some talent but doesn't do it anywhere near enough. One good pass and 5 minutes thinking about it. In any event, there's not a side in the league as strong centrally as us.
Wide we have Green to add some pace this year and Albert. Definitely think we should pick up some more electric pace out wide, as we're going to need to replace Snoddy's delivery.
Up top Kodjia needs some confidence. Davis and RHM are very raw but promising and Hogan we can't seem to get a tune from. Again, another spot to fill with somebody who can hold the ball up.
Considering what could have been, this has been a remarkable summer.
Good summation Ads.
We have enough keepers to sink a raft.
We're well stocked with Hutton, RDL and Bree at right back. RDL offers a wing back role too.
Left back we need to strengthen in the loan market as I'd go with Hutton over Taylor.
Centre half it's been great keeping Chester. I rate Axel and think his reading of the game and outrageous pace will benefit us. Tommy E still looks shakey in confidence and will do some right followed by something iffy. Worry if Axel's injuries dog him.
Holding midfield we couldn't be better stocked. Whelan was our best player the other night, Jedi is excellent on ocassion and Thor offers more mobility. I'd certainly favour the latter at home.
Central midfield, keeping Jack was huge. He's the best player in the league by a country mile. Hourihane has a knack for goals, but he drifts out of games for large periods. Reminds me of Hitz. McGinn adds some dynamism we've been lacking and I'm looking forward to his bustle in midfield.
Then there's Angela who appears to have some talent but doesn't do it anywhere near enough. One good pass and 5 minutes thinking about it. In any event, there's not a side in the league as strong centrally as us.
Wide we have Green to add some pace this year and Albert. Definitely think we should pick up some more electric pace out wide, as we're going to need to replace Snoddy's delivery.
Up top Kodjia needs some confidence. Davis and RHM are very raw but promising and Hogan we can't seem to get a tune from. Again, another spot to fill with somebody who can hold the ball up.
Considering what could have been, this has been a remarkable summer.
Good summation Ads.
Yeah, I'm down with dat.
We have enough keepers to sink a raft.
We're well stocked with Hutton, RDL and Bree at right back. RDL offers a wing back role too.
Left back we need to strengthen in the loan market as I'd go with Hutton over Taylor.
Centre half it's been great keeping Chester. I rate Axel and think his reading of the game and outrageous pace will benefit us. Tommy E still looks shakey in confidence and will do some right followed by something iffy. Worry if Axel's injuries dog him.
Holding midfield we couldn't be better stocked. Whelan was our best player the other night, Jedi is excellent on ocassion and Thor offers more mobility. I'd certainly favour the latter at home.
Central midfield, keeping Jack was huge. He's the best player in the league by a country mile. Hourihane has a knack for goals, but he drifts out of games for large periods. Reminds me of Hitz. McGinn adds some dynamism we've been lacking and I'm looking forward to his bustle in midfield.
Then there's Angela who appears to have some talent but doesn't do it anywhere near enough. One good pass and 5 minutes thinking about it. In any event, there's not a side in the league as strong centrally as us.
Wide we have Green to add some pace this year and Albert. Definitely think we should pick up some more electric pace out wide, as we're going to need to replace Snoddy's delivery.
Up top Kodjia needs some confidence. Davis and RHM are very raw but promising and Hogan we can't seem to get a tune from. Again, another spot to fill with somebody who can hold the ball up.
Considering what could have been, this has been a remarkable summer.
Good summation Ads.
Yeah, I'm down with dat.
I'd definitely agree with the gist, but I'd take issue with "there's not a side in the league as strong centrally as us".
Fletcher, Allen, Imbula, N'diaye and Clucas at Stoke is considerably stronger than anything we can put out.
Good summary Ads. CB because Elphick made at least two major errors on Monday, not clearing the Hull goal (still don't know why or what he was thinking) and then poor control to set them up for what should have been their second. And either a forward or one of Hogan, Kodija or Davies to find some form. Then a left back/wing back because Taylor doesn't seem particularly reliable.
If we have more pace and power in the side and can learn to keep the ball better, may be we don't need a defensive midfielder now.
This just appeared in my twitter feed, apparently from Instagram?
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If we have more pace and power in the side and can learn to keep the ball better, may be we don't need a defensive midfielder now.
I too would rather opposition sides feel the need to pack their midfields with defensive players when they play us, rather than the other way round.
This just appeared in my twitter feed, apparently from Instagram?
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Yeah that’s genuine. Hopefully we’ll get him in.
This just appeared in my twitter feed, apparently from Instagram?
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Yeah that’s genuine. Hopefully we’ll get him in.
The last few seconds of Bruce's presser were telling. It appears (to me anyway) that he wants Snodgrass, otherwise he'd have said nothing doing.
Snodgrass, Abraham + someone who can cover both centre-half and left-back would make this an exceptional window!
Looks like Jed Steer is off on loan to CharltonConfirmed.
Loans to buy given approval for next week.
Loans to buy given approval for next week.
Are right OK. So where did you find out about the loan to buys happening Ads?
Are right OK. So where did you find out about the loan to buys happening Ads?
The villatransfers guy on twitter has posted about it, he's got some sort of link to the medical team, Bryan is the only transfer he's called (in about 18 months) that didn't happen.
I think holding it against someone that they call a transfer wrong in those circumstances would be harsh.
Loans to buy given approval for next week.
Please be Snoddy. 😍
Little Aston I think.
PL clubs can only loan out they can't now loan in from anywhere.
PL clubs can only loan out they can't now loan in from anywhere.
So there will be some top players available, as anyone wanting to play (in England) will need to drop down a level. Right?
A great way to sign some real quality and also a good gauge of the player's character too.
PL clubs can only loan out they can't now loan in from anywhere.
So there will be some top players available, as anyone wanting to play (in England) will need to drop down a level. Right?
A great way to sign some real quality and also a good gauge of the player's character too.
Yup - particularly those clubs who have splurged on a load of players.
As well as Snodgrass, I'd be asking about the likes of Bolasie at Everton and Antonio at West Ham. Hard to see them getting much of a chance if they stay put.
After the start we have made I hope we are getting a center back in. Cus Tuezebe or Jedinak aren’t the answer.
Please a left back and striker
Da Silva Chelsea and Abraham Chelsea would really make a difference
Please a left back and striker
Da Silva Chelsea and Abraham Chelsea would really make a difference
After the start we have made I hope we are getting a center back in. Cus Tuezebe or Jedinak aren’t the answer.
Can Da Silva do a Bryan/unsworth/Willian and move villa !
How exactly do we know Axel isn't the answer at centre half when we haven't played him there yet !
Then why have we bothered. It’s not as if we are short of Right Backs.How exactly do we know Axel isn't the answer at centre half when we haven't played him there yet !
We don’t but based upon what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t be brave enough to try him there. Perhaps he can have run out in the Yeovil game.
Then why have we bothered. It’s not as if we are short of Right Backs.How exactly do we know Axel isn't the answer at centre half when we haven't played him there yet !
We don’t but based upon what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t be brave enough to try him there. Perhaps he can have run out in the Yeovil game.
Then why have we bothered. It’s not as if we are short of Right Backs.How exactly do we know Axel isn't the answer at centre half when we haven't played him there yet !
We don’t but based upon what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t be brave enough to try him there. Perhaps he can have run out in the Yeovil game.
Quite
A fit daniel sturridge?
Can Da Silva do a Bryan/unsworth/Willian and move villa !
Willian hasn't gone anywhere.
Can Da Silva do a Bryan/unsworth/Willian and move villa !
Willian hasn't gone anywhere.
Years ago, Willlian was supposedly all set to sign for Liverpool. Then, at the last minute, he took a left turn at Albuquerque and ended up at Chelsea.
Could have been, I've had sleep since then. Just seem to remember some photo of Will I Am in a Liverpool shirt doing the rounds and lots of people saying that's as close as they'll get.
I am more than happy to day your memory will be better than mine.
Creswell would be brilliant. With Bats...wotshisface going on loan Chelsea have left themselves with 3 strikers including Abraham so I'm not sure that's likely. Shane Long wouldn't be a bad shout. He would be a presence, can hold the ball up and he'll press from the front relentlessly. His not known as much of a goalscorer but maybe he could be in a lower league and with some supply.
Is there no talk yet about the 3 players who are scheduled for medicals? By this time there's usual odd bits of speculation that gather speed.
Can Da Silva do a Bryan/unsworth/Willian and move villa !
Willian hasn't gone anywhere.
Years ago, Willlian was supposedly all set to sign for Liverpool. Then, at the last minute, he took a left turn at Albuquerque and ended up at Chelsea.
thought it was spurs and Chelsea bid for him because they can
They would be mad to let him go but I would take him. The season they won the title, I thought he deserved to be involved with England.
They would be mad to let him go but I would take him. The season they won the title, I thought he deserved to be involved with England.
Agree, but even with Mahrez gone it seems he's behind both Gray and new signing Ricardo Pereira in the pecking order there. At his age I'm sure he'll be desperate to be playing regular football so might make this a possibility. In fact, the more I think about it, the more appealing it becomes. Can play on either side, tracks-back diligently, good delivery. Wouldn't need any time to settle-in either.
They would be mad to let him go but I would take him. The season they won the title, I thought he deserved to be involved with England.
There's a fair bit of rumour linking us with a loan for Martin Odegaard from Real (it's in most of the nationals today). It's an interesting one, was regarded as one of the most talented young players in the world, went to Real and got lost for a while but had a decent season in Holland last year (despite a couple of fairly nasty injuries). He's still only 19 so has plenty of time to reach his peak, Him, Grealish and Green behind a striker with Mcginn behind them would be a fantastic set of young attacking players.
I'd want a future fee though, no point taking him, having him make the big breakthrough with us and then we get nothing for it.
There's a fair bit of rumour linking us with a loan for Martin Odegaard from Real (it's in most of the nationals today). It's an interesting one, was regarded as one of the most talented young players in the world, went to Real and got lost for a while but had a decent season in Holland last year (despite a couple of fairly nasty injuries). He's still only 19 so has plenty of time to reach his peak, Him, Grealish and Green behind a striker with Mcginn behind them would be a fantastic set of young attacking players.
I'd want a future fee though, no point taking him, having him make the big breakthrough with us and then we get nothing for it.
Most of the papers seem to be saying "a Championship club" rather than naming us directly though, before speculating about the likes of us and Derby. He looks a very skilful lad, but possibly one who likes to try to dribble round an entire team rather than pass the ball. Marking him, Grealish and McGinn would be a nightmare though.
I remember him when he was 15, people talked about him like he was the new maradona.
Without meaning it too critically, it does seem like having two number-10 type players on the pitch at the same time would be a bridge too far for someone like Bruce, even though Jack's ability to do the dirty work has improved significantly in recent times.
I doubt this is true personally
I think McGinn and jack as two 8s can work. But it requires the strike to hold the ball up and the wingers to offer real penetration
It's all gone a bit quiet on the rumours front.
It's all gone a bit quiet on the rumours front.
According to The Guardian we're interested in Abrahams and Snodgrass and, along with Middlesborough, Bolasie. Who was excellent until his bad injury...
Sam Gallagher would be a good loan in my opinion as we need a physical presence up front and he would give us that as well as scoring goals, still relatively young as well.
Why do people keep saying we've been playing 352 by the way?
Sam Gallagher would be a good loan in my opinion as we need a physical presence up front and he would give us that as well as scoring goals, still relatively young as well.
didn't we try and get him last year ??
Gallagher hardly did well at SHA. No thanks.
Why do people keep saying we've been playing 352 by the way?
Why do people keep saying we've been playing 352 by the way?
Why do people keep saying we've been playing 352 by the way?
Because we did in pre-season, as if Bruce was planning to use it this season. The couple of games I saw it looked pretty effective. We certainly moved the ball quicker.
Why do people keep saying we've been playing 352 by the way?
Because we did in pre-season, as if Bruce was planning to use it this season. The couple of games I saw it looked pretty effective. We certainly moved the ball quicker.
True, but in the last one or two pre season matches and the first two league matches we haven't been.
How many players does Bruce actually want?
Is his intention to have a squad like an American football team with each position covered by 5 or 6 players?
He’s like a mechanic who has a full set of the best tools but keeps buying more and more spanners (pun intended) just because he can.
How many players does Bruce actually want?
Is his intention to have a squad like an American football team with each position covered by 5 or 6 players?
He’s like a mechanic who has a full set of the best tools but keeps buying more and more spanners (pun intended) just because he can.
I'd prioritise attacking players. We look so short of reliable options and goals in that front three at the moment.
How many players does Bruce actually want?
Is his intention to have a squad like an American football team with each position covered by 5 or 6 players?
He’s like a mechanic who has a full set of the best tools but keeps buying more and more spanners (pun intended) just because he can.
I think we could probably do with a couple more in, another forward especially. He's only signed two outfield players and we don't have Terry, Samba, Onomah, Snodgrass and Grabban from last season.
Has there been any talk of Terry yet? I struggle to see why we're not looking at him.
I think last night showed that for all of our "strength in depth", we're strong in the wrong areas (mainly at full-back) and sorely lacking in others (up front).
Hopefully Tuanzebe did enough to show Bruce that he needs to start at centre-back, but I still think we need another one. As others have alluded to, we're still missing Terry & Samba from last season's squad and none of the U23s seem ready to step-up yet. It'd divide opinion, I'm sure, but James Collins is still a free agent...
John Terry is 38 and had no pre season. No thanks
John Terry is 38 and had no pre season. No thanksFor me, is exactly the right answer.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
Hasn’t he been training with Marseille?
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
Before he signed with us last season he was shown to be working out and keeping in superb shape. There’s little to suggest he’s not that kind of person to retain a great workout routine. He might not be in top match shape but he has the brain for the position. The Lord didn’t train but on match day you just knew he was going to make it look easy.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
Before he signed with us last season he was shown to be working out and keeping in superb shape. There’s little to suggest he’s not that kind of person to retain a great workout routine. He might not be in top match shape but he has the brain for the position. The Lord didn’t train but on match day you just knew he was going to make it look easy.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
Before he signed with us last season he was shown to be working out and keeping in superb shape. There’s little to suggest he’s not that kind of person to retain a great workout routine. He might not be in top match shape but he has the brain for the position. The Lord didn’t train but on match day you just knew he was going to make it look easy.
Not when he was 38 he didn't.
You can debate the merits all you want, but don’t dismiss people just because they have a different opinion to you. He may be no good, I accept that, but he’d do well to be as poor as Jedi has been at times when he’s played centre half.
John Terry is 38 and had no pre season. No thanks
He got slower and slower as the season progressed. Got to be better options out there. Better value too.
If it were a choice between Terry and Jedi I’d have Terry in the team every week.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
Before he signed with us last season he was shown to be working out and keeping in superb shape. There’s little to suggest he’s not that kind of person to retain a great workout routine. He might not be in top match shape but he has the brain for the position. The Lord didn’t train but on match day you just knew he was going to make it look easy.
Not when he was 38 he didn't.
Correct, and McGrath was playing week in week out
It’s been 25 years since McGrath. Sports Science has come along way since then. In that time there have been players like Giggs and Seedorf who could still cover a lot of ground into their late 30’s, early 40’s and they were playing in midfield. I’m sure a centre back can.
I bet he’s in better shape right at this minute than Jedinak. And right now a much, much better CB.
He hasn’t kicked a ball since May. Talk of John Terry coming off his yacht in the Algarve, where he has been for 3 months, straight into the side is absurd.
Before he signed with us last season he was shown to be working out and keeping in superb shape. There’s little to suggest he’s not that kind of person to retain a great workout routine. He might not be in top match shape but he has the brain for the position. The Lord didn’t train but on match day you just knew he was going to make it look easy.
I turned 40 in February and I’m starting to think that I won’t make it.
Rumours of Sam McQueen Southampton's LB. Apparently played 20+ games for them last season but I can't say I recall noticing him. Age 23 and out of favour with Hughes
I turned 40 in February and I’m starting to think that I won’t make it.
I turned 40 in February and I’m starting to think that I won’t make it.
I'm 47 and I still turn up every week. One day a scout will spot me, I'm certain.
In 3 years I expect to be picked off for the best walking football side in the city...
I'm 41 and have found a new position in goal, 90 minutes last night and I'm suffering for it today.
Kept clean sheet 1st half but we managed to let a 4 goal lead slip and I saved one on one with the last kick to salvage a draw.
I'm 41 and have found a new position in goal, 90 minutes last night and I'm suffering for it today.
Kept clean sheet 1st half but we managed to let a 4 goal lead slip and I saved one on one with the last kick to salvage a draw.
We do the "everybody has 5 minutes in goal reluctantly" thing. The first 50 minutes are just a general kick around, with the last 10 minutes designated as "first to five goals" when everybody starts taking things seriously and shouting at each other. We were 4-2 down, but came back manfully to snatch it 5-4.
We used to play at Stourbridge Leisure Centre each Sunday morning, first few weeks we were almost fighting over the chance to go in goal. My proudest moment was when Clint Mansell lobbed me, I'm 6 foot 4.
We used to play at Stourbridge Leisure Centre each Sunday morning, first few weeks we were almost fighting over the chance to go in goal. My proudest moment was when Clint Mansell lobbed me, I'm 6 foot 4.
Wish it had been like that with my lot. One time I went in goal to give the guy a chance to play out and then nobody would let do the same for me. I spent most of the game in goal, trying to get someone to do have their turn and let me out.
Huth? 33 years. Out of Contract. Has he recovered from his ankle injury?
So have we signed anybody yet?
The one that scored for us?Huth? 33 years. Out of Contract. Has he recovered from his ankle injury?
Or from being a useless lump
I was impressed with the huge guy Wigan had (black guy with Blonde hair) at CB - he was a beast and kept Kodjia and RHM quiet - lots of pace as well
So have we signed anybody yet?
I think that an offer has been made to Risso
So have we signed anybody yet?
I think that an offer has been made to Risso
The one that scored for us?Huth? 33 years. Out of Contract. Has he recovered from his ankle injury?
Or from being a useless lump
I was impressed with the huge guy Wigan had (black guy with Blonde hair) at CB - he was a beast and kept Kodjia and RHM quiet - lots of pace as well
I also tripped over my own feet and misplaced at least 50% of my attempted passes, but still.
Huth? 33 years. Out of Contract. Has he recovered from his ankle injury?
Or from being a useless lump
I was impressed with the huge guy Wigan had (black guy with Blonde hair) at CB - he was a beast and kept Kodjia and RHM quiet - lots of pace as well
Just checked - Cedric Kipre - 22 yro bought last season from Motherwell
You oldies are deluded. Free up some space for those of us who still have a small chance.
I also tripped over my own feet and misplaced at least 50% of my attempted passes, but still.
Welcome to the site Mile.
I tell you what, I receive the ball and turn bloody brilliantly; instep, through the legs, between two men then curled one onto the bar. Drop of the shoulder, Grealish learned everything from me....
I tell you what, I receive the ball and turn bloody brilliantly; instep, through the legs, between two men then curled one onto the bar. Drop of the shoulder, Grealish learned everything from me....
Even the haircut?
They can have me for nothing getting on a bit but I will run myself into the ground for Villa but when they see me play they will say can you run yourself back out of the ground please.Comedy gold!
Huth? 33 years. Out of Contract. Has he recovered from his ankle injury?
Or from being a useless lump
I was impressed with the huge guy Wigan had (black guy with Blonde hair) at CB - he was a beast and kept Kodjia and RHM quiet - lots of pace as well
Just checked - Cedric Kipre - 22 yro bought last season from Motherwell
I thought he was awful! I thought Wigan would probably have got something out of that game but for him.
Kipre made one great tackle to stop RHM but other than that I thought he was one of the worst footballers I’d ever seen. He could trap a ball further than I could kick it.
You oldies are deluded. Free up some space for those of us who still have a small chance.
Let go of the apron strings sonny, you need to step to play at this level.
Be a real man, like Grant Holt.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
You oldies are deluded. Free up some space for those of us who still have a small chance.
Let go of the apron strings sonny, you need to step to play at this level.
Be a real man, like Grant Holt.
The only reason you don’t understand our music is that you don’t like it.
You oldies are deluded. Free up some space for those of us who still have a small chance.
Let go of the apron strings sonny, you need to step to play at this level.
Be a real man, like Grant Holt.
The only reason you don’t understand our music is that you don’t like it.
Copyright: Rik Mayall. The Young Ones.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move.
That's a great move. Where's he going?
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
I disagree. Bringing Cieran back would not be productive.
If we are getting in a centre back on loan then I think we should aim higher. A lot higher.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
Not the best of sources but I read Ciaran Clark is being linked with a loan move. Would make some sense as he's a good championship player and left sided, giving us better balance. I can't see it happening but makes a bit of sense.
I disagree. Bringing Cieran back would not be productive.
If we are getting in a centre back on loan then I think we should aim higher. A lot higher.
We can't aim much higher while we are in this rubbish league. Premier League players who are first choice at their clubs aren't going to come here. I'd welcome Kieren Clarke back on loan for a season. We can worry about trying to get someone better if we go up.
I’m not a fan of Clark. Always appeared to have a rick in him every game.
If he's not good enough for this division, how come he got promoted last time he played in it?
He wasn't just promoted, he was voted Player of the Year in a team that won the league.
because we only have him and Chester who are any good and its a very long season?And also allows Axel to be played at right back.
What’s the point of loaning Clark in when we have Twoinzaby?
I can’t see Newcastle wanting to deal with their biggest rival.
I can’t see Newcastle wanting to deal with their biggest rival.
Eh?
we're working on 3-4 deals according to Bruce on TS
Three to four new signings suggests a bloated squad again and Bruce hoping if he keeps throwing shite at the wall enough will stick. Wont we then have to get rid of the no-marks like Taylor, Lansbury, McCormack etc. if possible to keep within FFP confines?
I can’t see Newcastle wanting to deal with their biggest rival.
Eh?
We are their most hated rivals. Sky told me two years ago.
Our bench needs to be stronger in being able to replace like for like. For arguments sake, is Tommy as good as Chester/Tuanzebe? No. Is RHM or Hogan as good as Jimmy? No. Whelan for Hourihane. Bree for Hutton or Elmo? Etc. Bring more loans in. Make us stronger all round.Agree 100% but I fear it isn't going to happen. Whether that is political? New owners/old owner/don't really fancy the manager or financial? I suppose only time will tell.
looking around the PL squads, the following players look surplus to requirement and therefore potentially available for loans:
Chelsea - Abraham, Hudson-Odoi
Arsenal - Holding, Jenkinson (although currently injured), Welbeck.
Liverpool - Solanke,
Everton - Lookman, Calvert-Lewin
Bournemouth - Mings
Not many left backs that I have heard of, maybe only Mings.
No way will we get lookman
Abraham is third choice striker for Chelsea. They'd be pretty light of they go into the season with two senior strikers
Y y y y couldn’t the deal of owner change have been done earlier SAM Johnstone could have been first signing then 😩😡😡😡
No way will we get lookman
Abraham is third choice striker for Chelsea. They'd be pretty light of they go into the season with two senior strikers
Y y y y couldn’t the deal of owner change have been done earlier SAM Johnstone could have been first signing then 😩😡😡😡
Big time, he has been a huge loss. Terrys ability to play out from the back is sorely missed too. McGinn has thankfully had a very good start.
He really is a bullshitter. Like it took an intervention from new owners from Egypt and America to identify we needed to get younger and more energetic. Fuck, if the financial problems not happened, had Xia stuck around and kept Bruce we’d have more old players. He’s a walking bag of ready made excuses.
He really is a bullshitter. Like it took an intervention from new owners from Egypt and America to identify we needed to get younger and more energetic. Fuck, if the financial problems not happened, had Xia stuck around and kept Bruce we’d have more old players. He’s a walking bag of ready made excuses.
He really is a bullshitter. Like it took an intervention from new owners from Egypt and America to identify we needed to get younger and more energetic. Fuck, if the financial problems not happened, had Xia stuck around and kept Bruce we’d have more old players. He’s a walking bag of ready made excuses.
He really is a bullshitter. Like it took an intervention from new owners from Egypt and America to identify we needed to get younger and more energetic. Fuck, if the financial problems not happened, had Xia stuck around and kept Bruce we’d have more old players. He’s a walking bag of ready made excuses.Agreed. Slippery as an eel.
He really is a bullshitter. Like it took an intervention from new owners from Egypt and America to identify we needed to get younger and more energetic. Fuck, if the financial problems not happened, had Xia stuck around and kept Bruce we’d have more old players. He’s a walking bag of ready made excuses.
I can see the point he's trying to make. Rather than loan he likes of Johnestone and Snodgrass, he'd rather have brought them and if we'd gone up, we probably would have.
I’m just not convinced that he wants to stray much from the experienced strategy that he has gone to. It’s as if he’s lamenting the direction the new owners have taken and building his new list of excuses should it not work
So, if I read what Bruce has said correctly, we are looking to loan young players on a potential loan to buy deal, when they know, that if they do sign and we don't go up, they are stuck with us in the Championship, thwarting their lofty ambitions of continuing to play in the Prem. This must make it harder for us to loan players. Equally, I don't want Abraham to sign in the longer term as he clearly isn't good enough for the Prem. He'd be great for us in the Championship as he was for Bristol City, but not for Swansea in the Prem. You would think that, if he's going to make it anywhere, he'd have already done it at Chelsea with all those good players around him.
So, if I read what Bruce has said correctly, we are looking to loan young players on a potential loan to buy deal, when they know, that if they do sign and we don't go up, they are stuck with us in the Championship, thwarting their lofty ambitions of continuing to play in the Prem. This must make it harder for us to loan players. Equally, I don't want Abraham to sign in the longer term as he clearly isn't good enough for the Prem. He'd be great for us in the Championship as he was for Bristol City, but not for Swansea in the Prem. You would think that, if he's going to make it anywhere, he'd have already done it at Chelsea with all those good players around him.
By the same token, Lukaku couldn't get a game a Chelsea either and he was definately good enough.
I’m just not convinced that he wants to stray much from the experienced strategy that he has gone to. It’s as if he’s lamenting the direction the new owners have taken and building his new list of excuses should it not work
Do expand. When? Where?
“The owners have preached from the start that we want a younger outlook so we can grow and get better.
“That always takes time.
So, if I read what Bruce has said correctly, we are looking to loan young players on a potential loan to buy deal, when they know, that if they do sign and we don't go up, they are stuck with us in the Championship, thwarting their lofty ambitions of continuing to play in the Prem. This must make it harder for us to loan players. Equally, I don't want Abraham to sign in the longer term as he clearly isn't good enough for the Prem. He'd be great for us in the Championship as he was for Bristol City, but not for Swansea in the Prem. You would think that, if he's going to make it anywhere, he'd have already done it at Chelsea with all those good players around him.
So, if I read what Bruce has said correctly, we are looking to loan young players on a potential loan to buy deal, when they know, that if they do sign and we don't go up, they are stuck with us in the Championship, thwarting their lofty ambitions of continuing to play in the Prem. This must make it harder for us to loan players. Equally, I don't want Abraham to sign in the longer term as he clearly isn't good enough for the Prem. He'd be great for us in the Championship as he was for Bristol City, but not for Swansea in the Prem. You would think that, if he's going to make it anywhere, he'd have already done it at Chelsea with all those good players around him.
Hmm well Lukhaka, De Bruyne and many others didn't make it a t Chelsea as not the best at developing younger players, just hoarding them
It's not a bad strategy. The best ones could work their way into the side and meanwhile, the others are increasing their value and being sold for a profit - sometimes a very nice one. They may have sell-on clauses too.
I think Kodjia could be an okay hold up player if he worked on his technique. Of late he tries to win the ball in a half crouched position. He doubles over and sticks his arse into the defender behind him hoping to shield the ball. A competent defender stands tall and waits for Kodjia to fall or stagger off balance. If he gets bundled over a Championship referee will just wave play on.
Dan Bardell thinks Bolasie is close. He's not one to speculate wildly
Bit surprised by that. And not sure I'm keen given injury record and some pretty average numbers. I imagine that bolasie and Kodjia in the same side could be exasperating!
I think Bolasie would be a very good addition, he should be far too good for this level.
Dan Bardell thinks Bolasie is close. He's not one to speculate wildly
Bit surprised by that. And not sure I'm keen given injury record and some pretty average numbers. I imagine that bolasie and Kodjia in the same side could be exasperating!
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How are we missing out to teams like ‘Boro!! Could it be that the ‘top’ teams in the Premier League are guiding their players away from us with a view to wanting to keep us down due to concerns over our new owner’s financial clout?
How are we missing out to teams like ‘Boro!! Could it be that the ‘top’ teams in the Premier League are guiding their players away from us with a view to wanting to keep us down due to concerns over our new owner’s financial clout?
Or we may not have gone for him at all?
How are we missing out to teams like ‘Boro!! Could it be that the ‘top’ teams in the Premier League are guiding their players away from us with a view to wanting to keep us down due to concerns over our new owner’s financial clout?I do love a good conspiracy theory but this sounds a bit too far fetched!
I think you're right - and we still need to replace Snoddy
I don't rate Bolasie at all, 1 good season for Palace but nothing else to suggest he's anything more than average. Without his pace he'd never have made it as a professional.
I don't rate Bolasie at all, 1 good season for Palace but nothing else to suggest he's anything more than average. Without his pace he'd never have made it as a professional.
his final ball is not that good. Looks great until his final ball , I thought Penis had got him.
Snoddy is a huge miss. I don't think it's any coincidence that his absence has come at the same as Albert's drop in form. Loads of our play that lead to Albert's goals last season started down our left handside, allowing him to ghost in at the back post. He's much more effective doing that, or moving infield when someone like Grealish moves out-wide, than he is being asked to create something with the ball at his feet from a wide position.Alberts loss of form goes back a long time before Snody left.
I don't rate Bolasie at all, 1 good season for Palace but nothing else to suggest he's anything more than average. Without his pace he'd never have made it as a professional.
his final ball is not that good. Looks great until his final ball , I thought Penis had got him.
I tend to agree, but I'd be worried if players are turning us down in order to sign for Boro. There are a few rumours on Twitter that Matt Targett may be about to do the same...
Do you really think we're not attracting players that are going to play for Pulis because of the style of our play?
I don't rate Bolasie at all, 1 good season for Palace but nothing else to suggest he's anything more than average. Without his pace he'd never have made it as a professional.
his final ball is not that good. Looks great until his final ball , I thought Penis had got him.
I tend to agree, but I'd be worried if players are turning us down in order to sign for Boro. There are a few rumours on Twitter that Matt Targett may be about to do the same...
Bruceball getting harder to sell
Does he fit with the young and energetic mode?
Júlio Tavares keeps getting mentioned . He could be Ivanhoe
Stoke City are sniffing around Ryan Woods apparently. Loan to buy. Get in there Bruce.
is it likely we'll pick up anyone from the PL seeing as loans now have to be linked to a buy at the end of the loan period?
Bruce will be doing all he can to get a Right Back.
Stoke City are sniffing around Ryan Woods apparently. Loan to buy. Get in there Bruce.
As much as I like Woods, I have an inkling that he'd end-up looking like a very average player not playing under Smith. He's strength is in how simple he keeps things (and the tempo and direction he does so) when playing for Brentford. You just know that if Brentford get £6.5m, they'll pluck some other half-decent footballer from League 2 and turn him into exactly the same player as woods is now!
He was shit.
He was shit.
Harsh. He was world class at playing the ball backwards into defence. And pointing, don't forget the pointing.
Bolasie at BH today by all accounts. Was at Boro yesterday so guess down to him to decide.
Bolasie at BH today by all accounts. Was at Boro yesterday so guess down to him to decide.
Fulham it is then
Bolasie at BH today by all accounts. Was at Boro yesterday so guess down to him to decide.
Bolasie at BH today by all accounts. Was at Boro yesterday so guess down to him to decide.
Where did you see that? I've inferred it from some messages but not seen owt actually saying it
I think Bolasie and El Ghazi would both really stand out in this division. They would both give us width in attacking positions but I suspect it would be a case of getting either or as opposed to bringing them both in.
Sky reporting that Bolasie has been at BMH today for talks and will now make a choice between Tiny Penis or ourselves.
Sky reporting that Bolasie has been at BMH today for talks and will now make a choice between Tiny Penis or ourselves.When did this hawking of players become a thing.Like waiting for a dance off a southern belle at a plantation hop.
Does El Ghazi exist? Who is he?
Bolasie, El-Ghazi and Abraham in on loan and Terry on a decreased wage 1 year contract would be a perfect ending to the window.
Dutch U21 winger, plays for Lille.
No, me neither until two mins ago.
Bolasie would be a great addition on paper but him and Kodjia in the same team would be very selfish imo. We may see a lot of attacks fizzle out.
Our team needs pace and the ability to beat a man. Too pedestrian at times esp when teams dig in like at the weekend.Honestly I would luv it (if we beat them) i would luv it.
They've signed Josh Dasilva from Arsenal. "Josh is a player who fits Brentford really well" That's what you can do when you have a plan and a style of play.Stoke City are sniffing around Ryan Woods apparently. Loan to buy. Get in there Bruce.
As much as I like Woods, I have an inkling that he'd end-up looking like a very average player not playing under Smith. He's strength is in how simple he keeps things (and the tempo and direction he does so) when playing for Brentford. You just know that if Brentford get £6.5m, they'll pluck some other half-decent footballer from League 2 and turn him into exactly the same player as woods is now!
Apparently we're confident of signing both Targett and Bolasie.
My worry about the latter is that he's barely played with a long term injury having maybe done for him.
Not seen much of El Ghazi so I have no idea how good a signing he'd be but if it's one or the other I'd prefer him to Bolasie because Bolasie is the player that most people on here think Traore is.
Not seen much of El Ghazi so I have no idea how good a signing he'd be but if it's one or the other I'd prefer him to Bolasie because Bolasie is the player that most people on here think Traore is.
We’ve seen Bolasie look like a brilliant player, the question is will we ever see that again? And for whom (obvs)?
Targett would solve the square pegs in round holes issue.
Targett would solve the square pegs in round holes issue.
Targett would solve the square pegs in round holes issue.Bruce would probably play him at right back.
We all know we need some pace adding (as well as class of course) so i can't understand the constant pining for Snodgrass to return
I like the bloke, but he ran out of steam last season and he's just going to get older and slower
Plus, i'm sure any loan deal for him would have to include a buy next summer clause which we really don't want to be saddled with i'm sure
Does El Ghazi exist? Who is he?
Does El Ghazi exist? Who is he?
I think he was a the character played by Kenneth Williams in 'Carry On Up The Khyber'.
Targett would solve the square pegs in round holes issue.
We all know we need some pace adding (as well as class of course) so i can't understand the constant pining for Snodgrass to return
We all know we need some pace adding (as well as class of course) so i can't understand the constant pining for Snodgrass to return
It's not hard, to be fair: seven goals, and fourteen assists.
What team, that could be a genuine contender for promotion are in position to pass any player up with that sort of record, which is already proven in the Championship? He may be 'old', but he's clearly not a spent force.
In for a loan deal for Mustafa Leeq, Egyptian winger.
We all know we need some pace adding (as well as class of course) so i can't understand the constant pining for Snodgrass to return
It's not hard, to be fair: seven goals, and fourteen assists.
What team, that could be a genuine contender for promotion are in position to pass any player up with that sort of record, which is already proven in the Championship? He may be 'old', but he's clearly not a spent force.
One that's just signed a 23 year old left footed midfielder who's already notched up 3 assists in two games and that will be on about a third of the wages (if that) and cost about a third of the price (if that) and has about 8 years on Snoddy ?
In for a loan deal for Mustafa Leeq, Egyptian winger.
The Bolasie of three years ago would be amazing at this level. He was pretty good in the 0-0 at VP on New Year's Day a couple of years ago (a terrible game however). But he's 29, and been out for a year with cruciate damage. How many games did he play for Everton after his return from that injury? And after those games, they've decided to loan out their £25m signing? Something doesn't quite add up for me.An in form Bolasie would be a great addition imo. I don't want to look for negatives. Having said that Bruce would probably play him at centre half.
Would love to know if anyone actually watched him play for Everton towards the end of last season, and whether he still has the pace he used to have. I would hope our medical would be extremely stringent, and scouting reports would know if he's lost a yard or three.
Gregg Evans seems to think Bolasie has decided to join us.
Gregg Evans seems to think Bolasie has decided to join us.
Excellent I trust Evans what's his official line then . What's the quote ?
"He's agreed " or "sources say" how has Evans phrased this
The Bolasie of three years ago would be amazing at this level. He was pretty good in the 0-0 at VP on New Year's Day a couple of years ago (a terrible game however). But he's 29, and been out for a year with cruciate damage. How many games did he play for Everton after his return from that injury? And after those games, they've decided to loan out their £25m signing? Something doesn't quite add up for me.An in form Bolasie would be a great addition imo. I don't want to look for negatives. Having said that Bruce would probably play him at centre half.
Would love to know if anyone actually watched him play for Everton towards the end of last season, and whether he still has the pace he used to have. I would hope our medical would be extremely stringent, and scouting reports would know if he's lost a yard or three.
Gregg Evans seems to think Bolasie has decided to join us.
Excellent I trust Evans what's his official line then . What's the quote ?
"He's agreed " or "sources say" how has Evans phrased this
'Hearing that Yannick Bolasie will choose Aston Villa over Boro. Now the wait for it to become official. Hopefully no late interventions!!' - on his FB page.
Gregg Evans seems to think Bolasie has decided to join us.
Excellent I trust Evans what's his official line then . What's the quote ?
"He's agreed " or "sources say" how has Evans phrased this
In for a loan deal for Mustafa Leeq, Egyptian winger.
doesn't he have a brother, Isaac? - plays in the lower leagues? Not bad, but fannies around too much on the ball.In for a loan deal for Mustafa Leeq, Egyptian winger.
Definitely heard of him, if we could get the Az Alkmaar, Danish Under 21 lad Mike Hunt in on loan to get on the end of his crosses we’ll be laughing.
I imagine we'd be throwing him the thick end of £50k a week too as well as the loan fee to Everton. Bit of a gamble all told.Not really. Our multi billionaire owners will have been looking for ways to invest their money without compromising the club. The only gamble as I see it would be on his fitness. A fit and buzzing Bolasie would be a fantastic addition to the team. Embrace it.
Also I've heard that Mcginn has recommended a young talented player from Hibs- Angus McCoatup.doesn't he have a brother, Isaac? - plays in the lower leagues? Not bad, but fannies around too much on the ball.In for a loan deal for Mustafa Leeq, Egyptian winger.
Definitely heard of him, if we could get the Az Alkmaar, Danish Under 21 lad Mike Hunt in on loan to get on the end of his crosses we’ll be laughing.
So is it going to be Yannick on the streets of Birmingham?I wonder to myself.
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........Looking at him at VP a few seasons back he scared the bejesus out of me.
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........Looking at him at VP a few seasons back he scared the bejesus out of me.
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........
When it comes to end product he's a bit Yannick blasé
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........
When it comes to end product he's a bit Yannick blasé
heh. Just worries me a bit. He's 29, was out for over a year with a major injury last season. I presume the idea is to get him up to speed for Everton and put him in the shop window at least. Hmmm......
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
Surely that’s bobbins isn’t it? No one in their right minds would take him on without their own medical team giving him the once over.
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
Surely that’s bobbins isn’t it? No one in their right minds would take him on without their own medical team giving him the once over.
Exactly as I say medical loan or permanent have to occur .
Level of medical may vary but no way would a professional club take a professional player without medical .
So is it going to be Yannick on the streets of Birmingham?Yannick? Noah thanks.
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
A thorough medical of any professional player has to be taken loan or permanent .
So if as you say he's not booked in he's not coming(going to Boro) or its not done yet for some reason as I would say a loan is no different to a permanent move.
Sturridge? is he fit? worth a loan if he is
Looking at him, he doesn't score many and he doesn't really create many assists. Erm..........Looking at him at VP a few seasons back he scared the bejesus out of me.
well stats can lie i guess and obviously you can create goals without being the guy who lays on the last cross or pass, but you do look at him and wonder how he went for 25m on his record
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
A thorough medical of any professional player has to be taken loan or permanent .
So if as you say he's not booked in he's not coming(going to Boro) or its not done yet for some reason as I would say a loan is no different to a permanent move.
Nope. Loans get a once over st BMH. Permanent transfers go to Spire in Little Aston.
Gregg Evans is now reporting that both Bolaise and El Ghazi have agreed to sign for us!
Gregg Evans is now reporting that both Bolaise and El Ghazi have agreed to sign for us!
Russel thank you !!
And Gregg Evans to never be quoted if this is a false flag!
I mean they can't be any more Joe Bryan situations surely !
I like to think Evans has his ear to the ground and gets the snippets otherwise I rather listen to Dave woods !
Come on and utv!! Great news heading!
Brilliant dynamics incoming ! Yesss
Rather have Snodgrass back than Bolasie and, given that the purse strings appear to be loosening, I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more talk of that happening.
Gregg Evans is now reporting that both Bolaise and El Ghazi have agreed to sign for us!
Rather have Snodgrass back than Bolasie and, given that the purse strings appear to be loosening, I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more talk of that happening.
Direct running , pace , skills El Ghazi would be great in developing the style of play villa have and help with expected goals and chances.
Something needs address and likes of Mcginn Bolasie and El Ghazi would add the dynamics
Any update from Villa Transfers on imminent signings?
Direct running , pace , skills El Ghazi would be great in developing the style of play villa have and help with expected goals and chances.
Something needs address and likes of Mcginn Bolasie and El Ghazi would add the dynamics
We can soon coach all those bad habits out of him! ;D
Good grief, you have noticed a style of play or is this hoof ball that you expect him to develop? ;)
I'm pretty sure that you can 8 loan-players in the overall squad, but can only name 5 in a match-day squad.
Any update from Villa Transfers on imminent signings?
Only that a medical scan on a knee has been booked for a player that's 'very close' and that he knows nothing about the El Ghazi one personally
But has also just tweeted local media saying deals done for Bolasie and El Ghazi and credit to Greg Evans
Stand by for some Work permit nonsense on El Ghazi
does sound like El Ghazi could be a signing very soonJust watched his best 10 goals clip....very impressive ball control and shooting power. Tony Morley like ! Stats look decent too.... will be great pitch unveiling’s for these 2 tonight if get sorted.
Medical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
yep, looking at him he's not just a speed merchant but cruciate knee injury.....just hope he hasn't lost a few yards in pace.
After the nonsense with Bryan good that nobody has started a dedicated thread for these two players until the shirt is being stretched.
does sound like El Ghazi could be a signing very soonJust watched his best 10 goals clip....very impressive ball control and shooting power. Tony Morley like ! Stats look decent too.... will be great pitch unveiling’s for these 2 tonight if get sorted.
Gutted I’m missing it.... kids bought me and the wife tickets to see the Drifters in SWANSEA tonight for our 30th wedding anniversary 😩😳
After the nonsense with Bryan good that nobody has started a dedicated thread for these two players until the shirt is being stretched.
Since Unsworth I'm surprised we even start a thread until they've played!
Superb stuffMedical bloke says he doesn't need a medical. I assume that's because we're not buying him so he's still insured by Everton.
Well, let's hope he's still got some of that lightening pace, as we need it.
yep, looking at him he's not just a speed merchant but cruciate knee injury.....just hope he hasn't lost a few yards in pace.
Yes but can he play right back?
if we get bolaise and this dutch player , our squad is massive and no excuse not to finish top 3 , its just a little embarrassing with all these players we really still need a LB desperate and a CB and more right backs than than a bald mans regain conference . I cant see how the likes of Lansbury , Tish and Bree can stay in the squad and even a whelan , Jedi or Thor one must go .
ps I see the dutch guy has played striker , maybe a fit hogan, davis , RHM and Kodja might be enough ..
Bruce will have no excuse .
if we get bolaise and this dutch player , our squad is massive and no excuse not to finish top 3 , its just a little embarrassing with all these players we really still need a LB desperate and a CB and more right backs than than a bald mans regain conference . I cant see how the likes of Lansbury , Tish and Bree can stay in the squad and even a whelan , Jedi or Thor one must go .
ps I see the dutch guy has played striker , maybe a fit hogan, davis , RHM and Kodja might be enough ..
Bruce will have no excuse .
Agree about the balance issue and Bruce hasn't excuse with the squad.
Gk and left back ,centre back could be concern but address the dynamic forward play is very good .
I actually feel whelan could be a key component this season.
Lansbury Tishbola are two that probably won't be needed, Tishbola for sure and who knows with Bree and RDL
Though Bree could get involved in full back role left or right.
whats happens to Green to with another two wingers , supporting Kodja up front?They don't play...not doing a lot to justify starting that's for sure.
After the nonsense with Bryan good that nobody has started a dedicated thread for these two players until the shirt is being stretched.
Since Unsworth I'm surprised we even start a thread until they've played!
Yes you’re right about that
if we get bolaise and this dutch player , our squad is massive and no excuse not to finish top 3 , its just a little embarrassing with all these players we really still need a LB desperate and a CB and more right backs than than a bald mans regain conference . I cant see how the likes of Lansbury , Tish and Bree can stay in the squad and even a whelan , Jedi or Thor one must go .
ps I see the dutch guy has played striker , maybe a fit hogan, davis , RHM and Kodja might be enough ..
Bruce will have no excuse .
Agree about the balance issue and Bruce hasn't excuse with the squad.
Gk and left back ,centre back could be concern but address the dynamic forward play is very good .
I actually feel whelan could be a key component this season.
Lansbury Tishbola are two that probably won't be needed, Tishbola for sure and who knows with Bree and RDL
Though Bree could get involved in full back role left or right.
I disagree on Whelan, he slows the play down far too much to be a playmaker and that's the only role his legs are cut out for.
ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
well he did say we would be busy ;D
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
footyskillz - making your day, is what makes my day.
Whelan, play-maker? :o
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
footyskillz - making your day, is what makes my day.
If you transition then maybe you can make my night Russel ! As I can only appreciate but not find attractive the masculine form which you clearly are and have a journalist know how and news breaker better than Jim white .
I think I'll leave it at mutual appreciation. As Im more Nina Dobrev ,Selena Gomez .
But admitting you sir are a great man ! Russell c is for crowe?!
Whelan, play-maker? :o
As I say, someone with so little pace playing as deep as he does works as a playmaker but Whelan hasn't got the passing range for it and doesn't play at a high enough tempo. That's why I don't see the value in signing him, he was always a water carrier type player but his legs have gone so in most games he just looks like everything is passing him by. He doesn't do anything wrong as such, he just doesn't really provide anything impactful.
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
footyskillz - making your day, is what makes my day.
If you transition then maybe you can make my night Russel ! As I can only appreciate but not find attractive the masculine form which you clearly are and have a journalist know how and news breaker better than Jim white .
I think I'll leave it at mutual appreciation. As Im more Nina Dobrev ,Selena Gomez .
But admitting you sir are a great man ! Russell c is for crowe?!
Mutual appreciation works just fine for me!
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
footyskillz - making your day, is what makes my day.
If you transition then maybe you can make my night Russel ! As I can only appreciate but not find attractive the masculine form which you clearly are and have a journalist know how and news breaker better than Jim white .
I think I'll leave it at mutual appreciation. As Im more Nina Dobrev ,Selena Gomez .
But admitting you sir are a great man ! Russell c is for crowe?!
Mutual appreciation works just fine for me!
Okay gladiator
ftp://ESPN are now reporting that we're close to signing Abraham on loan too...
Russell C you are the go to for the deals news !! Thank you again !!
Abrahams would be a father of all signings !!
footyskillz - making your day, is what makes my day.
If you transition then maybe you can make my night Russel ! As I can only appreciate but not find attractive the masculine form which you clearly are and have a journalist know how and news breaker better than Jim white .
I think I'll leave it at mutual appreciation. As Im more Nina Dobrev ,Selena Gomez .
But admitting you sir are a great man ! Russell c is for crowe?!
Mutual appreciation works just fine for me!
Okay gladiator
Think you two need a seperate thread on 'off topic.
Fr Abraham? Praise be!
Fr Abraham? Praise be!
Will he bring The Smurfs with him? 'Handy Smurf', 'Strong Smurf' and 'Football Smurf' would do okay but I'm not sure about the rest, like 'Lazy Smurf', 'Dopey Smurf' and 'Accident Prone Smurf'.
Yes I know I have given away the fact that I collected Smurfs as a young kid (in the days when they were exclusive to a certain petrol station chain) but to be fair I have just been offered a couple of hundred quid for them.
Fr Abraham? Praise be!
Will he bring The Smurfs with him? 'Handy Smurf', 'Strong Smurf' and 'Football Smurf' would do okay but I'm not sure about the rest, like 'Lazy Smurf', 'Dopey Smurf' and 'Accident Prone Smurf'.
Yes I know I have given away the fact that I collected Smurfs as a young kid (in the days when they were exclusive to a certain petrol station chain) but to be fair I have just been offered a couple of hundred quid for them.
We are delighted to announce the signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Lille on a season-long loan ✍️
#PartOfThePride #AVFC https://t.co/wUo9XXI5ad
Guy on VT tweeted that Bolasie is at Villa Park......
So Bolasie was at Villa park ground tonight and will be welcome addition I feel elmo should be one to step aside as one of front 3 with El ghazi and Bolasie coming in
What is the latest on FFP?Go to the new investment topic and you will find out
There was a lot of criticism on here that last season's loans left us with no legacy or long term plan. How are we affording these wages and how is this approach any different to last years?
I welcome the new signings, but is this shit or bust again?
I think with a bit of perseverance, Jedinak can eventually become a decent centre half. Remains to be seen but it's obviously going to be a tough transition period. If he can adjust, it's a way of keeping his physicality in the side whilst improving the mobility of the midfield.
Dear Steve, can we please loan a left sided central defender please?Dear Steve, if you do, can you please play him there and not full back?
In their report of tonight's game The Grauniad say that Tammy Abraham is expected to join us on a season loan.
So we’re after another winger to go with the one we signed today and we’re linked with a striker. Have we been linked to any centre backs?
So we’re after another winger to go with the one we signed today and we’re linked with a striker. Have we been linked to any centre backs?
I think with a bit of perseverance, Jedinak can eventually become a decent centre half. Remains to be seen but it's obviously going to be a tough transition period. If he can adjust, it's a way of keeping his physicality in the side whilst improving the mobility of the midfield.
He obviously does not rate Tommy, for some reason reluctant to trust Axel there in the league and Jedi will be shagged before long at this rate. I take it he's binned the 3 at the back approach?So we’re after another winger to go with the one we signed today and we’re linked with a striker. Have we been linked to any centre backs?
Exactly. The area we need strengthening more than anywhere (in my opinion) is at centreback yet we’ve not been linked with anyone in that position. We’ll regret it if we don’t get anyone in and it could cost us big time.
I still keep wondering if he’s gonna get Terry back once August is over.
Nyland
Elmo Chester loan. Targett
Jedinak
Bolasie. Grealish MCGinn. Kodjia
Abraham
Not too shabby that.
Nyland
Elmo Chester loan. Targett
Jedinak
Bolasie. Grealish MCGinn. Kodjia
Abraham
Not too shabby that.
I think you can have 8 players in on loan, but only 5 on the pitch at any one time.
Balanced squad isn't bruce motivation it's bodies in squad
Balanced squad isn't bruce motivation it's bodies in squad
He still has to play the new guys. He basically admitted that's the only way the clubs will let them go the other day. If we get another forward is he going to play 2 up front?
Nyland
Elmo, Chester, Axel/Huth, Targett
Hourihane
McGinn. Jack
Bolasie. Kodjia/Ghazi
Abraham
A friend tells me there is a restriction on how many loan players we are allowed on the pitch at any one time. Is that right or is he talking bollocks?
Because if Nyland gets injured or suspended we could have Moreira, Tuanzebe, Targett, Bolasie, El Ghiza and Abrahams.
I'm hoping we can still loan a centre half.
A friend tells me there is a restriction on how many loan players we are allowed on the pitch at any one time. Is that right or is he talking bollocks?
Because if Nyland gets injured or suspended we could have Moreira, Tuanzebe, Targett, Bolasie, El Ghiza and Abrahams.
I'm hoping we can still loan a centre half.
You can have 8 loan players, with 5 maximum in any match day squad
A friend tells me there is a restriction on how many loan players we are allowed on the pitch at any one time. Is that right or is he talking bollocks?
Because if Nyland gets injured or suspended we could have Moreira, Tuanzebe, Targett, Bolasie, El Ghiza and Abrahams.
I'm hoping we can still loan a centre half.
Someone on Twitter reckons loans from abroad don’t count
Someone on Twitter reckons loans from abroad don’t count
Someone on Twitter reckons loans from abroad don’t count
Thats not how I read the regulations, they do tlak about Standard Loans, International Loans and Emergency Goalkeeper Loans but the regulation about 5 in the matchday squad just refers to Temporary Loan Transfers , ie all of the above.
Nyland
Elmo, Chester, Axel/Huth, Targett
Hourihane
McGinn. Jack
Bolasie. Kodjia/Ghazi
Abraham
Hourihane a defensive midfielder?
The Sheffield local paper is still talking about Hogan going to United, but saying it's reliant on us getting someone else in, they say the rumour is Shane Long......
A friend tells me there is a restriction on how many loan players we are allowed on the pitch at any one time. Is that right or is he talking bollocks?
Because if Nyland gets injured or suspended we could have Moreira, Tuanzebe, Targett, Bolasie, El Ghiza and Abrahams.
I'm hoping we can still loan a centre half.
He's nearly right, you can have 5 in the 18.
Nyland
Elmo, Chester, Axel/Huth, Targett
Hourihane
McGinn. Jack
Bolasie. Kodjia/Ghazi
Abraham
Hourihane a defensive midfielder?
I wouldn't call it a DM role, more of a quarterback one. V certain teams I don't see the need for an out and out DM
We can still sign a centre-half who is out of contract / free agent. Terry / Huth etc....
We can still sign a centre-half who is out of contract / free agent. Terry / Huth etc....
The Sheffield local paper is still talking about Hogan going to United, but saying it's reliant on us getting someone else in, they say the rumour is Shane Long......
Some bloke tweeted Bolasie has to sort out a small issue with Everton before he can comeSome other bloke tweeted that he left the hotel at Midnight without telling anyone and the contract is at BMH unsigned.
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.Wages. We don't want to take on 100% of his wages.
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.Wages. We don't want to take on 100% of his wages.
I don't think a centre half is on the agenda , I think its Abrahams and a left back ?/
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.Wages. We don't want to take on 100% of his wages.
Surely we would have negotiated that part first to even see if a deal was possible!?
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.
He was in the stands last night
Bruce is saying two more arriving in his interview. I'm really struggling to see where they're all gonna fit.
Any update from Villa Transfers on Bolasie?...seems to be dragging on for only a loan deal.
He was in the stands last night
Was he carrying a washing machine?
Read this comment today from an Evertonian:
"Toffee here. Was delighted when we signed Bolasie as he had always impressed against us when playing for Palace. A major disappointment- he has some ability but the injury has slowed him and he now runs like he is carrying a washing machine. In hindsight, we should have gone for Zaha.
Bolasie seems a top bloke and is a great character for the changing room etc, but just didn’t do it at Everton - hope it works out for him elsewhere and put it down to good player / wrong club."
Just to add, he must be the only player out there with a real 'meh' youtube video. I'm struggling to see what he'll bring other than 120 kilos and two left feet.
Also discussed Bolasie with an Evertonian at work today, said, errrm, tries to beat same player 3 times and no end product.
Could be a bit of sour grapes.
Also discussed Bolasie with an Evertonian at work today, said, errrm, tries to beat same player 3 times and no end product.
Could be a bit of sour grapes.
As the said Evertonian mentioned "We have new options - Richarlison, Walcott, Lookman and the unknown Bernard." I doubt it's sour grapes. They seem to like him, just don't rate him.
Also discussed Bolasie with an Evertonian at work today, said, errrm, tries to beat same player 3 times and no end product.
Could be a bit of sour grapes.
As the said Evertonian mentioned "We have new options - Richarlison, Walcott, Lookman and the unknown Bernard." I doubt it's sour grapes. They seem to like him, just don't rate him.
See Nzogbia thread....(I really hope I’m wrong)
I guess for every N'Zogbia there's an Albrighton.
It seems strange that the players is spoken to and attends the match THEN negotiations over wages then take place. Surely the deal would be sorted first?
Is it a villa thing that a lot of deals seem to be so drawn out?
No it’s being a football fan of a club and being too close to the action that time seems to go slower. Like staring at a clock. I’m sure there is an average time or a time range by which deals generally get done. We fall in there somewhere.
Fella on FB says he has been given 48 hours to make his mind up
He prefers us but Boro are willing to pay higher wages apparently
Fella on FB says he has been given 48 hours to make his mind up
He prefers us but Boro are willing to pay higher wages apparently
Fella on FB says he has been given 48 hours to make his mind up
He prefers us but Boro are willing to pay higher wages apparently
Fella on FB says he has been given 48 hours to make his mind up
He prefers us but Boro are willing to pay higher wages apparently
Is this fella Gregg Evans? ( Bolasie signs according to Evans)
Or another fella
I mean who is this fella you're quoting ? Could be anyone you know or don't please say some more on fella
Unless it's Evans claiming otherwise then I feel yannick is coming
I mean yannick was at match so think it's formalities.
Relatively as maybe money wage factor to be sorted
More his advisors than the player
I just think it's patience on this one .
Surely a player going on loan still gets the same wages. The only issue is the split of who's paying them?
OK, suggestions for a gettable centre back as a regular starter to partner Chester (the John Terry replacement).
This isnt who youve seen rumours about, but who you think we should go for as a loan or free agent
- John Terry (!)
- Gary Cahill - in last year of his contract, possible loan to buy deal ? (its a stretch I know)
- Robert Huth
If loans all used up the looking at out of contract centre halves which are free agents so can be signed.
Would only do 1 year deal on these
Huth 33
Wollscheid 29 (was at Stoke past)
Nedum Onuoha 31
James Collins 35
Gareth McAuley yes 38 but maybe worth a season Swansong.
But all as capable as Jedinak and are actually centreal defenders
Boro can offer to pay more of his wages to Everton, but I don't see how that makes any difference to he who chooses. It may make a difference to who Everton want to let him go to though.
I respect a man who is adamantly adamant.
I respect a man who is adamantly adamant.
Adam Ant tribute band?
I respect a man who is adamantly adamant.
Adam Ant tribute band?
I was to suggest doubly adamant
But too double entendre esq like .
And may not enjoying go down so well
I respect a man who is adamantly adamant.
Adam Ant tribute band?
I was to suggest doubly adamant
But too double entendre esq like .
And may not enjoying go down so well
Researching the potential transfer market is nothing to be scared of.
A banjaxed Bolasie would be about as useful as a cock-flavoured lollipop, so I can't say I'd be distraught if we miss out there.
A banjaxed Bolasie would be about as useful as a cock-flavoured lollipop, so I can't say I'd be distraught if we miss out there.
Well yes. A crocked Aguero wouldn't be any use either.
A fit, motivated Bolasie would probably be better than any other winger in the division.
My issue with Bolasie isn't that he's been injured (although I don't like the idea of rehabbing him for them) I just think his delivery and decision making isn't great, which makes the pace and step-overs largely useless.
I'd also have massive concerns if it turns out that there's any buy later clause involved.
My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
A bit harsh considering the goals he got for us last season. He's been out of form for a while but he's been a decent signing.
My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
A bit harsh considering the goals he got for us last season. He's been out of form for a while but he's been a decent signing.
Not really. The goals were welcome six months ago but he's done fuck all apart from that, and he squandered countless promising opportunities on Weds. His final ball is a tickle.
Thought he looked a lot better on Weds than he has for a while, quick and direct.
My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
A bit harsh considering the goals he got for us last season. He's been out of form for a while but he's been a decent signing.
Not really. The goals were welcome six months ago but he's done fuck all apart from that, and he squandered countless promising opportunities on Weds. His final ball is a tickle.
Just because he was playing better 6 months ago than he is now doesn't make him a bad player and slower than Whelan. Short memories and all that.
My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
A bit harsh considering the goals he got for us last season. He's been out of form for a while but he's been a decent signing.
Not really. The goals were welcome six months ago but he's done fuck all apart from that, and he squandered countless promising opportunities on Weds. His final ball is a tickle.
Just because he was playing better 6 months ago than he is now doesn't make him a bad player and slower than Whelan. Short memories and all that.
I disagree. Even when he was scoring he didn't do much else, and he'd struggle to outpace Eamonn Holmes.
Well that’s all deflated me a bit, especially as this fat version of N’Zogbia (if he indeed turns out to be so) is taking a loan spot we REALLY need for a defender unless we’re planning on lots of 4 3 wins.
Well that’s all deflated me a bit, especially as this fat version of N’Zogbia (if he indeed turns out to be so) is taking a loan spot we REALLY need for a defender unless we’re planning on lots of 4 3 wins.
Bruce wants him to play right back I’m sure
The first requirement of a winger is speed, I remember Milner came in for some criticism when he played on the wing that he wasn't fast enough (happy days). What I saw on Tuesday was both our wingers just don't have that speed.
Second half on wednesday he put in a superb ball after skinning the full back. Right onto to Kodjas left boot but he didn't connect properly.My view on Bolasie is he can't be any worse than Adomah. Whelan is quicker than him.
A bit harsh considering the goals he got for us last season. He's been out of form for a while but he's been a decent signing.
Not really. The goals were welcome six months ago but he's done fuck all apart from that, and he squandered countless promising opportunities on Weds. His final ball is a tickle.
Bruce just in press conference says will be busy up to window with "hoping to get something over the line."
Regards Bolaise move quoting Bruce directly when asked he responded:
" little bits and pieces to do still got a little bit of work to be done so hopefully, hopefully we can announce something later on today or tomorrow"
Do you expect to be fully active up until close of transfer window
A nodding Steve without hesitation smiling wryling said "yes..yes ....yep"
So, do we think Bolasie is going to choose us, Boro or stay at Everton ?
The first requirement of a winger is speed, I remember Milner came in for some criticism when he played on the wing that he wasn't fast enough (happy days). What I saw on Tuesday was both our wingers just don't have that speed.
Thought he looked a lot better on Weds than he has for a while, quick and direct.
Albert did a lot of good work but failed in his most important; delivery.
His crossing was very poor, with a solitary exception. The delivery intonthe box all season from open play has been by and large poor.
Elmo hitting that ball for the winner from that angle is where his good crossing from full back has come from. Other positions he takes up or when he delays has lead to a rank ball.
I thought Albert had a good game against Brentford really went at them more of the same please Albert.
Albert did a lot of good work but failed in his most important; delivery.
His crossing was very poor, with a solitary exception. The delivery intonthe box all season from open play has been by and large poor.
If we throw Abraham possibly into the mix I wonder how SB would play it as El Ghazi and Bolaise are obvious starters.
3-4-1-2?
I imagine Abraham coming in is balances with Hogan going to Sheffield United.
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Steve Bruce is the only person in the free world who thinks Jedinak is a centre half. He clearly doesn't rate Elphick and he's extremely reluctant to play Axel there. That leaves Chester. Bringing in one or possibly two central defenders will make or break our season in my view. We haven't kept a clean sheet yet and shipped 4 goals in 2 games at home. But I'm sure they're aware of this!Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Steve Bruce is the only person in the free world who thinks Jedinak is a centre half.
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Jesus Christ.
Steve Bruce is the only person in the free world who thinks Jedinak is a centre half.
He's not great there but one wayward header apart, was he really that bad against Brentford? I didn't think so.
I can see why Bruce plays him, he won everything in the air.
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Jesus Christ.
is he available on a free ?
UTV
The Doc
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Jesus Christ.
is he available on a free ?
UTV
The Doc
No point. He's scared of crosses.
Steve Bruce is the only person in the free world who thinks Jedinak is a centre half.
He's not great there but one wayward header apart, was he really that bad against Brentford? I didn't think so.
I can see why Bruce plays him, he won everything in the air.
So Bruce has apparently said he's not going to sign a centre half or left back. The defence will cost us this season, we don't look capable of keeping a clean sheet.
He's bloody nuts. We had Terry last season was fantastic for the most part. To not have a replacement by now is crazy. Jedi will be knackered again soon and we're left with Tommy.
Unless of course he stumbles on to a centre half in Axel, hold on a minute, isn't he a centre half by trade already?
So Bruce has apparently said he's not going to sign a centre half or left back. The defence will cost us this season, we don't look capable of keeping a clean sheet.
Well we'll have to outscore everybody and play attacking football, which folks wanted to see. We might win more but we'll probably lose more as well.
We can't loan endless players. We desperately need wide options as Adomah and Green look pretty woeful at the moment. We're after Bolasie and have El Ghazi. And we absoluitely need another proven striker at this level with everyone bar Kodjia injured, so we're after Abraham
That's pretty much our possible loans done. It's not like we could buy anymore either
Options at left back and centre half is the worry!
Hutton / Taylor
Chester / Jedi / Elphick / Axel
Jesus Christ.
He tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
He tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
Except at WembleyHe tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
It's not ideal but Hutton didn't let us down there last season.
They all let us down that day to be fair. We didn't turn up.Except at WembleyHe tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
It's not ideal but Hutton didn't let us down there last season.
Bruce remains optimistic over landing his man.
“We're trying and hope we can get a few things over the line,” he said. “We hope that Yannick Bolasie is one of those.
“There's still a few bits and pieces to be done with that one but hopefully we can announce something later on today (Friday), if not tomorrow.
“We expect to be fully active up until the loan deadline next Friday.”
Hutton and Bree are not naturally left-footed and Taylor is crap - it's a real weak spot for us. I always thought Alan Wright was under-appreciated, is he still keeping himself fit?
We loved Alan Wright but he had two strikes against him. He was bald and he was a midget.Ha ha, he reminds me of me. One saving grace, before I was bald I was ginger.
Hutton's appalling positioning (alongside a slow-to-turn Jedi) let us down on Wednesday for their first goal ….He tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
I don't think it's a case of him changing his mind, maybe more of him not wanting to bring in just anybody. He's got Taylor, Hutton and Bree who can all play on the left. It's not ideal but Hutton didn't let us down there last season. Maybe we'll look at it again in January.
Hutton's appalling positioning (alongside a slow-to-turn Jedi) let us down on Wednesday for their first goal ….He tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
I don't think it's a case of him changing his mind, maybe more of him not wanting to bring in just anybody. He's got Taylor, Hutton and Bree who can all play on the left. It's not ideal but Hutton didn't let us down there last season. Maybe we'll look at it again in January.
If he does as he says he is bonkers and is sticking two fingers up. I can sympathise with those defending the performance and result on wednesday, but only on the basis that Bruce is looking to fix the problems at the back which were clearly in evidence. If he can't see the issues or thinks they aren't going to hobble us all season in terms of promotion prospects then he is off his nut.
If he does as he says he is bonkers and is sticking two fingers up. I can sympathise with those defending the performance and result on wednesday, but only on the basis that Bruce is looking to fix the problems at the back which were clearly in evidence. If he can't see the issues or thinks they aren't going to hobble us all season in terms of promotion prospects then he is off his nut.
What's he supposed to do when we can only have so many loans ?
Try and improve our forward areas or improve our defence ?
Imagine the outcry if he did the latter ... 'Mr Negative strikes again' etc etc
We have little to no pace up front and very little options other than Kodjia to stick the ball in the net
If he does as he says he is bonkers and is sticking two fingers up. I can sympathise with those defending the performance and result on wednesday, but only on the basis that Bruce is looking to fix the problems at the back which were clearly in evidence. If he can't see the issues or thinks they aren't going to hobble us all season in terms of promotion prospects then he is off his nut.
What's he supposed to do when we can only have so many loans ?
Try and improve our forward areas or improve our defence ?
Imagine the outcry if he did the latter ... 'Mr Negative strikes again' etc etc
We have little to no pace up front and very little options other than Kodjia to stick the ball in the net
Not waste one on a backup goalkeeper then loan out a perfectly adequate backup goalkeeper.
Not use one on a centre half/right back who he clearly doesn't trust to play centre half when we already have dozens of right backs.
If he does as he says he is bonkers and is sticking two fingers up. I can sympathise with those defending the performance and result on wednesday, but only on the basis that Bruce is looking to fix the problems at the back which were clearly in evidence. If he can't see the issues or thinks they aren't going to hobble us all season in terms of promotion prospects then he is off his nut.
What's he supposed to do when we can only have so many loans ?
Try and improve our forward areas or improve our defence ?
Imagine the outcry if he did the latter ... 'Mr Negative strikes again' etc etc
We have little to no pace up front and very little options other than Kodjia to stick the ball in the net
Not waste one on a backup goalkeeper then loan out a perfectly adequate backup goalkeeper.
Not use one on a centre half/right back who he clearly doesn't trust to play centre half when we already have dozens of right backs.
He's already made it abundantly clear that he replaced Steer as he's had horrible injuries for the past two seasons and we can't take the risk.
I think tuanzebe will be CB by Xmas
He needs games though. And the mistakes we saw on weds will be more damaging and frequent at CB
I think tuanzebe will be CB by Xmas
He needs games though. And the mistakes we saw on weds will be more damaging and frequent at CB
Or there'll be fewer mistakes at CB, because he won't get caught out near the halfway line and leave a big hole behind him to run into.
one thing is unequivocal about Axel - he isn't a right back
I think tuanzebe will be CB by Xmas
He needs games though. And the mistakes we saw on weds will be more damaging and frequent at CB
It's a shame there is not such thing as a 30 day return policy in football?If he does as he says he is bonkers and is sticking two fingers up. I can sympathise with those defending the performance and result on wednesday, but only on the basis that Bruce is looking to fix the problems at the back which were clearly in evidence. If he can't see the issues or thinks they aren't going to hobble us all season in terms of promotion prospects then he is off his nut.
What's he supposed to do when we can only have so many loans ?
Try and improve our forward areas or improve our defence ?
Imagine the outcry if he did the latter ... 'Mr Negative strikes again' etc etc
We have little to no pace up front and very little options other than Kodjia to stick the ball in the net
Not waste one on a backup goalkeeper then loan out a perfectly adequate backup goalkeeper.
Not use one on a centre half/right back who he clearly doesn't trust to play centre half when we already have dozens of right backs.
Yeah, but what apart from all those things is he expected to do?
;)
He's already made it abundantly clear that he replaced Steer as he's had horrible injuries for the past two seasons and we can't take the risk.
Then you do an emergency loan at the point that Steer becomes injured, rather that using one of the five available squad places for every match on someone who will very rarely play.
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
Which will continue right through the season if he persists with Jedinak at cb. I like Jedi and I'm happy to keep him at the club but he has spent a carreer as a midfield enforcer and asking him to play out of position in what could be a massive season for us is a huge gamble by the manager. On a positive note we could get promoted with a hugely enjoyable but nerve wracking series of 5-4, 4-3, 3-2, results. Bring it on!Hutton's appalling positioning (alongside a slow-to-turn Jedi) let us down on Wednesday for their first goal ….He tried to sign Bryan which kind of indicates he saw a need to strengthen at LB. It would seem a bit odd that, after not getting Bryan, he's just decided we don;t need to strengthen there after all. I mean our current options are a RB prone to lapses of concentration and a LB who is either badly out of form or just crap.
I don't think it's a case of him changing his mind, maybe more of him not wanting to bring in just anybody. He's got Taylor, Hutton and Bree who can all play on the left. It's not ideal but Hutton didn't let us down there last season. Maybe we'll look at it again in January.
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
after Hutton totally left his man free to whip in a cross unobstructed of course
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
after Hutton totally left his man free to whip in a cross unobstructed of course
What's that got to do with the price of fish?
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
A little, but if you watch it back he's 4-5 yards inside Watkins and then has to back pedal and it's then he gets a bit of a shove. I'd have expected a natural fullback to have been closer to his winger as the cross was hit so he couldn't get such an easy jump in.
What time is Gary Cahill having his medical at Bodymoor Heath?
What time is Gary Cahill having his medical at Bodymoor Heath?I’m sure if you put this on Facebook or Twitter it would finally end up a rumour back here in a few days time.
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
after Hutton totally left his man free to whip in a cross unobstructed of course
Tuanzebe got out muscled for the first.
after Hutton totally left his man free to whip in a cross unobstructed of course
Absolutely no mention of Chester and Jedinak stood like statues marking nobody and just watched as Maupay smashed the ball home!
I agree with soccerHQ, the lad had a good run on him for that first goal (like that Watkins by the way and thought his interview after game showed him to be a decent lad). Second goal, I thought he was a bit exposed, but have to say I think within a month we will be realising what a top player he is going to be.
What now for Albert?
What now for Albert?
What now for Albert?
What now for Albert?
Starting today.
I'd still keep Green around. We still fill our bench with plenty of defenders and midfielders so certainly space for a two strikers and two wide players on there.
Have a nice time at the wedding !
And remember to share any infomation of misinformation you have !
No hard feelings
Left back should be priority.
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
Left back should be priority.
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
I think we can have eight, but can't name more than five in a match-day 18.
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
I think we can have eight, but can't name more than five in a match-day 18.
The only rule is that you can't have more than 5 in the match day 18. No other limit on the number of loans.
Left back should be priority.
Yep, more than a forward. Centre back too, god forbid anything happens to Chester.
Left back should be priority.
A centre back that could play left back perhaps?
Yeah, we could team him with Elphick.Left back should be priority.
A centre back that could play left back perhaps?
= Mings at Bournemouth? Not sure if he is completely broken following his injuries but he was previously highly rated.
Bruce might actually have to play Axel in his proper position, now that would be radical!
Left back should be priority.
A centre back that could play left back perhaps?
= Mings at Bournemouth? Not sure if he is completely broken following his injuries but he was previously highly rated.
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
I think we can have eight, but can't name more than five in a match-day 18.
The only rule is that you can't have more than 5 in the match day 18. No other limit on the number of loans.
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
I think we can have eight, but can't name more than five in a match-day 18.
The only rule is that you can't have more than 5 in the match day 18. No other limit on the number of loans.
Pretty sure it's a maximum of 8, with 5 in a match day squad.
What has De Laet dome wring to not even feature in the squad? Looked good pre-season”dome wring”: a bit of Belgian, eh?! Very topical :D
We’ve only got one loan spot left I think.
I think we can have eight, but can't name more than five in a match-day 18.
The only rule is that you can't have more than 5 in the match day 18. No other limit on the number of loans.
Pretty sure it's a maximum of 8, with 5 in a match day squad.
Dominic Solanke's name cropping-up on Twitter, as an alternative to Tammy Abraham...
What has De Laet dome wring to not even feature in the squad? Looked good pre-seasonagree totally
De Last as rightback would allow Axel to play centrally, so playing in their usual positions.....how novel !
I shall say ziss only wonzeWhat has De Laet dome wring to not even feature in the squad? Looked good pre-season”dome wring”: a bit of Belgian, eh?! Very topical :D
I really don’t get why he is not in the squad; bizarre.
Dominic Solanke's name cropping-up on Twitter, as an alternative to Tammy Abraham...
He was a prolific scorer for club and country at youth level but only has 8 goals in 46 games at senior level.
De Last as rightback would allow Axel to play centrally, so playing in their usual positions.....how novel !
A Turkish journalist on Twitter has tweeted that we've made attempts to sign Cahill on loan.
A Turkish journalist on Twitter has tweeted that we've made attempts to sign Cahill on loan.
Any source ??
I don’t get that, which loan player isn’t going to make the match day squad?
I don’t get that, which loan player isn’t going to make the match day squad?
The keeper?
Gossip in one paper this morning that Sheffield United are interested in Hogan.Burst pipe?
Rumours about Cahill returning on loan? Be great if it happens....where have you seen that ? I'd be more than pleased if he came back ....was gutted when he left
Rumours about Cahill returning on loan? Be great if it happens....where have you seen that ? I'd be more than pleased if he came back ....was gutted when he left
Rumours about Cahill returning on loan? Be great if it happens....where have you seen that ? I'd be more than pleased if he came back ....was gutted when he left
Birmingham Mail......may or may not be accurate...
Can anyone think of a left footed centre back that's available on a free or loan ?
Cahill would be quite a statement and make everyone hate us even more.
A Turkish journalist on Twitter has tweeted that we've made attempts to sign Cahill on loan.
Any source ??
A Turkish journalist on Twitter has tweeted that we've made attempts to sign Cahill on loan.
Any source ??
Chilli and garlic mayo obviously...
Maybe if RDL isn't involved tonight then he may be off?
I don't think wise either but said in pre match thread that think Bruce don't fancy him and has his elmo
Btw Marvin Johnson left footed winger ( can do full back) being a talked of for sheff utd loan from Boro.
Now I think be usedul addition to ourselves and use him as attacking left back a far more current way a full back plays .
I don't think boro would want to give to us similarly RDL should not be loaned to then lot whose interested.
He still has England ambitions.
RDL's two match ban didn't help his claim for a palce , but I think Bruce would be mad to get rid.
Apparently we've bid 9M euros for a centre back from Le Havre, Harold Moukoudi.
RDL's two match ban didn't help his claim for a palce , but I think Bruce would be mad to get rid.
Apparently we've bid 9M euros for a centre back from Le Havre, Harold Moukoudi.
Apparently we've bid 9M euros for a centre back from Le Havre, Harold Moukoudi.
Loan move until January to be completed in January for £7m. Highly rated French 20 year-old apparently.
Apparently we've bid 9M euros for a centre back from Le Havre, Harold Moukoudi.
El Ghazi now this guy. Bruce really really doesn’t have much of a say now does he
Won't be only one . Having called out several players who been knocking on his door only Bree and Axel came away with a notable credit by Bruce
This list of least favoured Bruce is at risk of alienate these sqaud members
RDL
Lansbury
Taylor
Elphick
Hourihane
Lansbury was purchased because he'd scored a few goals in the months beforehand.
Hourihane was purchased for the same reason.
Taylor was a lazy way of getting Ayew and his wage shot and filling a position.
I doubt any of them were trailed/scouted/identified by Bruce and his team before hand with any master plan involved, they were just lazy transfer by numbers deals, like that fat waster McCormack.
Being a full back at Villa is a weird task. You get someone like Hutton who is adored and treated like a footballing God when in reality he's so average in every possible way it's untrue.
dBeing a full back at Villa is a weird task. You get someone like Hutton who is adored and treated like a footballing God when in reality he's so average in every possible way it's untrue.
Average probably puts him in our top three left backs of the last half decade.
you can't possibly fuck off a guy who scores regularly from midfield. As for the rest on that list, put them into the hands of a decent coach and they'd do an adequate job in the Chumps.Spot on.
you can't possibly fuck off a guy who scores regularly from midfield
Tshibola has joined Kilmarnock on a season long loan.
Tshibola has joined Kilmarnock on a season long loan.
What an utterly bizarre transfer that's turned out to be.
I see QPR are trying to get Tommy in on a loan deal. I,m not his biggest fan but we are already short in the centre half dept.
I see QPR are trying to get Tommy in on a loan deal. I,m not his biggest fan but we are already short in the centre half dept.
Agree
I see QPR are trying to get Tommy in on a loan deal. I,m not his biggest fan but we are already short in the centre half dept.
Agree
Nailed on then to deplete the CB department even more...
Sweet shop.
Kid in a sweet shop.
We are not American.
Sweet shop.
Kid in a sweet shop.
We are not American.
Made me laugh. Nice one. Moley, you've been told, cut out the Americanisms! lol
What kids buy washing machines?
What kids buy washing machines?
Thanks for that - winky thing.
I’d be going all-out to sign Nick Powell if I was Bruce. He’s out of contract in the summer so a loan-agreement with an option to buy In January would probably suit all parties. He can play as an out-and-out-striker if needed, but most importantly, he can also play in the Grealish role – whereas we don’t currently have any viable alternative there. He’s got goals in him, wherever he plays, and is the type of footballer who creates as much as he finishes. I think you could actually play him and Grealish together, and ask Grealish to play as a deeper-lying playmaker to good effect. Especially given McGinn’s energy alongside them.Nice idea - priority has to be a LB.
I thought Walters went somewhere yesterday?Suffolk finest Ipswich
If we only have time to sort ONE loan transfer, I think it needs to be a proper centre back.
From Sky Sports
MOUKOUDI TO CHOOSE VILLA
Aston Villa look set to beat Celtic and Middlesbrough to the signing of highly rated French defender Harold Moukoudi.
Sky Sports News understands that the Le Harve centre back has arrived at Villa’s Bodymoor Heath training ground in the last hour for talks and a medical.
We believe the deal will be a loan with an obligation to secure the French U20 international on a permanent contract.
Moukoudi was linked with a number of Premier League teams including West Ham who came close to signing him in a deal thought to be worth £10.7m.
Can't be a Bruce signing?
It's going to be Jonathan Walters on loan, isn't it...?Nooooooooo please no.
About as un Bruce a signing as it is possible to get. Don't mention the Secret Santa video before he has put plume a papier.No worries Bruce will keep him in the U21’s as long as possible.
Forgive my ignorance, but why is this not a Bruce signing?
We don’t know a lot (anything) about him so how have we come to this conclusion?
Of course, I should have known, and that should say ‘when’ 😉Forgive my ignorance, but why is this not a Bruce signing?
We don’t know a lot (anything) about him so how have we come to this conclusion?
If he plays up front then you know it’s a Bruce signing.
Forgive my ignorance, but why is this not a Bruce signing?
We don’t know a lot (anything) about him so how have we come to this conclusion?
For me, its yet another player coming in to make a huge squad even bigger.
Why Bruce cannot MANAGE the ones he has at his disposal is beyond me.
What a fecking lucky manager he is.
‘I can’t manage all the players I have already bought to be any good so let’s buy some more’.
Really can't see how this potential Moukoudi signing is going to help us at all, he might in the distant future!
He plays for a second division French side and is only 20 years old, so you can't expect him to come into the side anytime soon!
We already have a PL CH playing at right back!
I'm all for it, but I hope Terry is coming back too. Or Cahill on loan.Why not both, and Huth just to make sure we have just enough cover.
If this happens then we clearly aren't going to sign a left back and striker on loan as well. Which do we need more ?
I'd LOVE to see a proper left back as the amount of frustration i get watching Hutton abuse the ball drives me barmy.
But can we really rely on having just Kodjia fit and scoring goals ?
I can't get excited at the prospect of Hogan or Davis coming back to share the load or even remaining fit either.
Yeah the other keeper can play in the cup matches to keep him fit.......aaaahhhhhhhhh
If this happens then we clearly aren't going to sign a left back and striker on loan as well. Which do we need more ?
I'd LOVE to see a proper left back as the amount of frustration i get watching Hutton abuse the ball drives me barmy.
But can we really rely on having just Kodjia fit and scoring goals ?
I can't get excited at the prospect of Hogan or Davis coming back to share the load or even remaining fit either.
Sign both and put Bunn on the bench
I'm all for it, but I hope Terry is coming back too. Or Cahill on loan.Why not both, and Huth just to make sure we have just enough cover.
I would suggest that with an obligation to buy this bloke, he isn't going to b sitting on the bench every week.
Southampton's Sam McQueen has just gone on loan to Boro, which means Southampton are highly unlikely to let Targett go anywhere now.
I would suggest that with an obligation to buy this bloke, he isn't going to b sitting on the bench every week.
So what are you actually saying? That every permanent signing made in football automatically means that they have to go straight into the starting 11? I think there may be one or two examples where this is not the case.
Unless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Unless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Unless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Given what we've learnt about the FFP situation this summer, I would imagine that their sole focus would be on getting us promoted, rather than committing to increase the financial deficit even further at any time in the near future...
Feckin hell, lighten up. It was a joke about Bruce getting is much cover as he possibly can. It obviously wasn’t funny if you didn’t get it.I'm all for it, but I hope Terry is coming back too. Or Cahill on loan.Why not both, and Huth just to make sure we have just enough cover.
I'm not sure if you're serious or whether you think having just Chester and Tuenzebe there is enough and you're trying and failing to be amusing.
Unless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Agree, but at this point we really need a centre back who can hit the ground running and go straight into the team. Of course if you want a balanced squad, then you sometimes have to buy with an eye on the future, but we are short at centre half at the moment and need to find a partner for Chester.
Unless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Given what we've learnt about the FFP situation this summer, I would imagine that their sole focus would be on getting us promoted, rather than committing to increase the financial deficit even further at any time in the near future...
Explain our FFP situation in detail then, please, fill me in because I have no idea of the figures involved and the implications...
Best explanation ive seen https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1001380858983534593?lang=enUnless the new owners have decided to try to buy up any good young talent that they can with an eye on the future and the possibility of slowly bedding them in. Doesn't sound very stupid to me and I'd hope they've learnt something from the fiasco of 3 years ago.
Given what we've learnt about the FFP situation this summer, I would imagine that their sole focus would be on getting us promoted, rather than committing to increase the financial deficit even further at any time in the near future...
Explain our FFP situation in detail then, please, fill me in because I have no idea of the figures involved and the implications...
Not for the first time.Wasn't the 8m to avoid insolvency? We avoided it this year because it was the final year of significant parachute payments and the sale of a few players I think
It is based on losses over a three year period that cannot exceed a certain figure. If you exceed that figure over a period of three years, you are subject to punishment by the EFL - either a fine, a transfer embargo or worst case points deductions/denied promotions.
Therefore buying players for future use is of some benefit if they have a good sell on value, but, the immediate solution is to get promoted therefore, it is in our interests to mostly have players who can adjust straight away.
Unless we significantly increase revenue (unlikely) or get promoted next season, then by March 2019 we will almost certainly be found to be in breach of FFP through our accumulated losses over three seasons. I am guessing we avoided it this summer because owners are allowed to put in £8m capital per year to reduce the losses.
I am prepared to bet he will be a regular starter. Him, Chester, Jedi......Tuanzebe and Hutts as the overlapping full backs........Whelan, Bolasie, McGinn, Grealish, El Ghazi, Kodija, Hogan.
I am prepared to bet he will be a regular starter. Him, Chester, Jedi......Tuanzebe and Hutts as the overlapping full backs........Whelan, Bolasie, McGinn, Grealish, El Ghazi, Kodija, Hogan.
Anyone who plays Tuanzebe ahead of Elmo as an overlapping full back needs sacking on the spot.
You could be right. We would have had to declare our losses in March so well before capital injections. Maybe that is how we will avoid it next year then? If three of them put in £8m each is that allowed?I think the only way to avoid it is from player sales, increased revenue (merchandising, gates, tv revenue), asset sales or sponsorship (the validity is assessed) but happy to be corrected.
Thanks for posting that info. I still say that the only people really privy to the situation are the ones running the clubs finances though.Can't agree more
I am prepared to bet he will be a regular starter. Him, Chester, Jedi......Tuanzebe and Hutts as the overlapping full backs........Whelan, Bolasie, McGinn, Grealish, El Ghazi, Kodija, Hogan.
Anyone who plays Tuanzebe ahead of Elmo as an overlapping full back needs sacking on the spot.
What even if you have forgotten about Elmo like I did?!
Reports on Twitter (corroborated by photo) that Moukoudi has returned to France, and actually straight back Le Havre to train alone, whilst making a decision over the move to Villa...Or he's letting potential suitors know he's still available for more money. Or am I being a bit harsh?
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
Agree so much it's a move that seems from observations unnecessary however having been linked to arsenal , West ham and Celtic he has some pedigree.
Bruce wants players who are as good if not better as current : Moukoudi is he such the ready made player ?
Harry moukoudi the new Harry Maguire ??
You could be right. We would have had to declare our losses in March so well before capital injections. Maybe that is how we will avoid it next year then? If three of them put in £8m each is that allowed?
Matthieu Berson part deux.
Can someone explain the thought process behind the proposed move for the French lad.Money?
Can someone explain the thought process behind the proposed move for the French lad.
we’ve loaned out a 20 year old CB to a first division Dutch side who was a star for the under 23s and ENG under 20s but are now loaning in a guy who’s 20 and plays for a 2nd division French side and the French under 20s and we’re potentially paying £2m loan fee plus £8m if he signs.
I’m not saying the new guy might not make it, but is Suliman so shit he has NO chance of making our match day squad?
Can someone explain the thought process behind the proposed move for the French lad.
we’ve loaned out a 20 year old CB to a first division Dutch side who was a star for the under 23s and ENG under 20s but are now loaning in a guy who’s 20 and plays for a 2nd division French side and the French under 20s and we’re potentially paying £2m loan fee plus £8m if he signs.
I’m not saying the new guy might not make it, but is Suliman so shit he has NO chance of making our match day squad?
Can someone explain the thought process behind the proposed move for the French lad.
we’ve loaned out a 20 year old CB to a first division Dutch side who was a star for the under 23s and ENG under 20s but are now loaning in a guy who’s 20 and plays for a 2nd division French side and the French under 20s and we’re potentially paying £2m loan fee plus £8m if he signs.
I’m not saying the new guy might not make it, but is Suliman so shit he has NO chance of making our match day squad?
He wanted to sign for another French team in League 1, rather than sit on a bench in the Premier League. (West Ham)
Seems he isn’t keen on leaving France, so no wonder he’s thinking it over. Ultimately money may talk, but he has to really want it otherwise we’ll have a home sick signing.
snowflakeYes hun?
Clearly bowled over by Bruce's 'vision'
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
If Suleiman was anywhere near good enough, he'd have played by now. He clearly isn't, so relying on him would be far more of a gamble than signing someone who has played 44 games at the equivalent of our division.
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
I assumed he meant Mitch Clark.
If Suleiman was anywhere near good enough, he'd have played by now. He clearly isn't, so relying on him would be far more of a gamble than signing someone who has played 44 games at the equivalent of our division.
I see some bitter bluenose or baggies fan has been on Wiki and put on Moukoudis bio his playing position is "Villa scum".
Obsessed? No mate not me.
I just like to follow what's going on at the Villa more than my own club.
In fact they're probably reading this thread as well.
UTV
Sky Sources saying Elphick having medical at Hull....Surely a new defender arriving then??
Personally I think it's odd to loan out an England U20 centre back who is pretty inexperienced and replace him with a French U20 centre back who's pretty inexperienced, having already got an inexperienced England U21 player in and refused to play him in position. This kid might be great but he's a big risk if the plan is to throw him straight in.
If Suleiman was anywhere near good enough, he'd have played by now. He clearly isn't, so relying on him would be far more of a gamble than signing someone who has played 44 games at the equivalent of our division.
Seems a strange one, one centre half in, one out?Not if it's a genuine first choice C/B coming in.
I’d have thought we needed an extra option there, not an alternative one.
Seems a strange one, one centre half in, one out?Not if it's a genuine first choice C/B coming in.
I’d have thought we needed an extra option there, not an alternative one.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7141220/chelsea-tammy-abraham-aston-villa-loan-steve-bruce/
Tammy Abraham incoming, according to The Sun...
Absolutely loving the fact that my addchoices box on the transfer thread is carrying advertising for womens underwear. My page is currently displaying tits, fanny and the villa. Well done all
Absolutely loving the fact that my addchoices box on the transfer thread is carrying advertising for womens underwear. My page is currently displaying tits, fanny and the villa. Well done all
'My Adchoice box, is full of fun, my Adchoice box is full of fun' etc
Papa Souare from Palace now being linked. Apparently he's a 'left-back' whatever one of those is?!
As long as he don't preachPapa Souare from Palace now being linked. Apparently he's a 'left-back' whatever one of those is?!
I thought he was a rolling stone
Bruce thinks that Moukoudi is now unlikely. So, if Elphick is heading to Hull, we really, really need a centre-back from somewhere...
Moukoudi deal off so surely he won't let Elphick go without a replacement coming in. Would he? It would be absolutely mental.
Moukoudi deal off so surely he won't let Elphick go without a replacement coming in. Would he? It would be absolutely mental.
He would . Taking mental decisions seems to be his speciality
Moukoudi deal off so surely he won't let Elphick go without a replacement coming in. Would he? It would be absolutely mental.
He would . Taking mental decisions seems to be his speciality
We’ve got plenty of centre halfs
Chester
Tuanzebe
Jedi
Hutton
Elmo
Whelan
El Ghazi
Bjork
Grealish
Overloaded with them.
The bonus is they can all play left back, holding midfield, in the hole and centreforward too.
Moukoudi deal off
Beeb reporting that Sheff Weds and Ipswich interested in Danny Batth from Wolves. Wouldn’t it be worth us looking at him?
Beeb reporting that Sheff Weds and Ipswich interested in Danny Batth from Wolves. Wouldn’t it be worth us looking at him?
No.
Beeb reporting that Sheff Weds and Ipswich interested in Danny Batth from Wolves. Wouldn’t it be worth us looking at him?
It’s easy Fred, you suggest a player and we tell you ‘no’ or ‘shut the fuck up’ or, ‘who?’ 😜
Beeb reporting that Sheff Weds and Ipswich interested in Danny Batth from Wolves. Wouldn’t it be worth us looking at him?
Their fans never seem too complimentary about him, but he did feature quite a bit for them last season didn't he?
Still think a free for one of Huth, James Collins or Terry for the rest of the season would represent a decent bit of business.
Isn’t Terry literally on the beach?
@FootyNugget on Twitter saying “if they do not sign Makoudi will likely sign Abraham. Did not want to sign both so had both ticking over last few days”
No idea if true or not but thought worth a post.
I'd rather have Cuellar back before James Collins, he's still playing it seems and before it is shot down he does have that magical added bonus.
Carlos Javier Cuéllar Jiménez (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkaɾlos ˈkweʎaɾ]; born 23 August 1981) is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Israeli club Beitar Jerusalem. Mainly a central defender, he can also operate as a right back.
@FootyNugget on Twitter saying “if they do not sign Makoudi will likely sign Abraham. Did not want to sign both so had both ticking over last few days”
No idea if true or not but thought worth a post.
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there are few reports of Adomah being told he can leave today!! Somebody's asked Albert's brother about it on Twitter, and this was his response...Ouch! If true no wonder Albert doesn't seem himself and has lost form.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/kXTLsz/Adomah_Tweet.png) (https://ibb.co/kXTLsz)
When you think about the enforced changes to the squad this summer, that Bruce is constantly bemoaning, the idea that he would willfully look to replace both Hourihane and Adomah- who between them contributed 26 goals and 7 assist last season - in the starting XI, is utterly baffling.
Even if the general concensus is that McGinn and Bolasie / El Ghazi are better players, there's an element of durabilty that's needed for the Championship that both Hourihane and Adomah have in bundles. They may not be star-performers every week, but they produce. Regularly.
Barry Douglas was the one who got away. Can't remember the timing and if he joined Leeds while we were still on the verge of collapse but if not, we should have been in like Flynn/Walter Jr.
When you think about the enforced changes to the squad this summer, that Bruce is constantly bemoaning, the idea that he would willfully look to replace both Hourihane and Adomah- who between them contributed 26 goals and 7 assist last season - in the starting XI, is utterly baffling.
Even if the general concensus is that McGinn and Bolasie / El Ghazi are better players, there's an element of durabilty that's needed for the Championship that both Hourihane and Adomah have in bundles. They may not be star-performers every week, but they produce. Regularly.
Abrahams and a move for Crystal Palace left- back Pape Souare and Puncheon would be great.
Abrahams and a move for Crystal Palace left- back Pape Souare and Puncheon would be great.
Abrahams and a move for Crystal Palace left- back Pape Souare and Puncheon would be great.
Talksport are suggesting that Abrahams to Villa is close to happening.
Abrahams and a move for Crystal Palace left- back Pape Souare and Puncheon would be great.
Not sure we need Puncheon. That just seems overkill to me.
is that germane to him signing?
Abraham got 23 goals in 41 games in the Championship for Bristol City the season before last. His partner is a 'Youtuber' called Leah Monroe. A quick search suggests she specialises in make-up and skincare tips.
Abrahams and a move for Crystal Palace left- back Pape Souare and Puncheon would be great.
Talksport are suggesting that Abrahams to Villa is close to happening.
Oh that's brilliant news
Shame on RHm and Davis but Abrahams is capable but a bit carlton Cole as he does miss some chances when easy to miss and is a ' confidence' player . Messed up for england under 21 a few times when he's having a game where he can't score looks awful but on whole at championship level he good and learning but can develop .
Welcome Tammy !
Adomah in talks with Boro
Adomah in talks with Boro
Adomah in talks with Boro
Loan or sale? Strange if true.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Loan or sale? Strange if true.
**BREAKING***
Aston Villa attempting to hijack Middlesborough's move for Albert Adomah.
(Stolen from Twitter)
Adomah in talks with Boro
Loan or sale? Strange if true.
If we're loaning a (good) player to our championship rivals, having replaced him with two loan players one of whom is an unknown quantity and one on his way back from long term injury, it isn't strange, it's just stupid.
The mere fact that the three clubs linked with Albert are Boro, Leeds and WBA suggests other managers feel he has what it takes at the top end of this league to deliver. Bruce seems to be swinging like a drunk scouser at closing time in trying to put a squad together with any sensmblance of strategy and balance.nailed on to score the winner in the playoff final against us
Adomah in talks with Boro
Loan or sale? Strange if true.
If we're loaning a (good) player to our championship rivals, having replaced him with two loan players one of whom is an unknown quantity and one on his way back from long term injury, it isn't strange, it's just stupid.
Unless the one we're supposedly loaning out has been utter mince for the past 6 months. Which we all know Albert has.
If it happens then it'll be a loan with a buy clause involved for sure as he's out of contract in less than a year.
I reckon he threw his toys out the pram with regards not being offered a new deal and that's why his form has been beyond wretched since.
So taking your reason for his poor form into account then, we're loaning him to a championship rival where he will be playing for a permanent deal and therefore probably motivated back into his previously excellent form.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
So taking your reason for his poor form into account then, we're loaning him to a championship rival where he will be playing for a permanent deal and therefore probably motivated back into his previously excellent form.
and if that happens it'll show he wasn't giving his best here and we were right to bin him.
if we lose Albert and those saved wages help us bring in Abraham (for example) i wont be crying myself to sleep tonight
reality check - Adomah's last good game for us was against Wolves - and I'm a fan. Letting him go wouldn't be the end of the world providing Abraham comes in - I can then see Kodjia reverting to the left. Of course if that doesn't play out, its stupid.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
Hopefully Dave Woods is behind this story.
Yes any manager worth his salt would find a way to re-motivate Albertreality check - Adomah's last good game for us was against Wolves - and I'm a fan. Letting him go wouldn't be the end of the world providing Abraham comes in - I can then see Kodjia reverting to the left. Of course if that doesn't play out, its stupid.
reality check - moaning about being short of wingers, loaning 2 in and then loaning the 2 you had back out is fucking stupid, even if the 2 were struggling for form.
The mere fact that the three clubs linked with Albert are Boro, Leeds and WBA suggests other managers feel he has what it takes at the top end of this league to deliver. Bruce seems to be swinging like a drunk scouser at closing time in trying to put a squad together with any sensmblance of strategy and balance.nailed on to score the winner in the playoff final against us
Kodjia will move to the left if Tammy signs. Much better option than Albert, who has been really bad. Oh, he can’t score the winner against us in the play off final unless they pay for him in January as he’ll be on loan.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
Hopefully Dave Woods is behind this story.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
Hopefully Dave Woods is behind this story.
The source seems to be as identified as one Graeme Bailey
Self proclaimed football insider
This chap looks classic reguatation as he states news from sites .
I give you his footy insider knowledge :
as he also claimed a move for winger la parra was made NEVER HAPPENED and that transfer was last week
I give you on 23rd August
Bailey said
"Middlesbrough have moved for Huddersfield winger Rajiv van la Parra - who has been on Boro's radar before and now they look set to get him after he dropped down the pecking order at Town and told he could leave this month."
Similarly he uses the could like he uses the may in Albert Adomah may leave Aston villa to provide a potential part credible (it's not) transfer rumour .
The great Graeme Bailey football insider likes to announce moves after they are done! Or reported else where.
Not much with his own content on transfers haven't been accurate or itk
Seems to get hold of rumours and then use it or pass it on
I don't buy it.
"Albert Adomah may be allowed to leave Aston Villa today...not in Steve Bruce's long-term plans"
Graeme Bailey tell us how do you know .
Graeme Bailey is a Cleveland browns fan too.
I'm waiting on Gregg Evans word on this .
And anyway Evans has got Tammy Abraham move looking likely .
Josh Onomah gone to Sheffield Wednesday on loan....
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
Hopefully Dave Woods is behind this story.
The source seems to be as identified as one Graeme Bailey
Self proclaimed football insider
This chap looks classic reguatation as he states news from sites .
I give you his footy insider knowledge :
as he also claimed a move for winger la parra was made NEVER HAPPENED and that transfer was last week
I give you on 23rd August
Bailey said
"Middlesbrough have moved for Huddersfield winger Rajiv van la Parra - who has been on Boro's radar before and now they look set to get him after he dropped down the pecking order at Town and told he could leave this month."
Similarly he uses the could like he uses the may in Albert Adomah may leave Aston villa to provide a potential part credible (it's not) transfer rumour .
The great Graeme Bailey football insider likes to announce moves after they are done! Or reported else where.
Not much with his own content on transfers haven't been accurate or itk
Seems to get hold of rumours and then use it or pass it on
I don't buy it.
"Albert Adomah may be allowed to leave Aston Villa today...not in Steve Bruce's long-term plans"
Graeme Bailey tell us how do you know .
Graeme Bailey is a Cleveland browns fan too.
I'm waiting on Gregg Evans word on this .
And anyway Evans has got Tammy Abraham move looking likely .
Nice rant but Evans has confirmed Adomah is heading to Boro for talks so ...
Advanced talks to sign Abraham, SSN.
Adomah in talks with Boro
Here we go again
Where is this ?! What is this .
Is that 100% true.
Hopefully Dave Woods is behind this story.
Delete the thread, it's best for all.
If Chester gets injured we are shot
When you think about the enforced changes to the squad this summer, that Bruce is constantly bemoaning, the idea that he would willfully look to replace both Hourihane and Adomah- who between them contributed 26 goals and 7 assist last season - in the starting XI, is utterly baffling.
Even if the general concensus is that McGinn and Bolasie / El Ghazi are better players, there's an element of durabilty that's needed for the Championship that both Hourihane and Adomah have in bundles. They may not be star-performers every week, but they produce. Regularly.
Terry's coming home!!
He's played every minute of every league game since he signed.
Bert staying then....move off due to failed terms
It’s great, we have beaten Boro to the signing of another one ! They must really hate us.
Terry's coming home!!
I wish!!!
Shit me. Who the hell leaves themselves that short at the back.
Blitzing the dining room with Pledge while listening to my oldies pop CD earlier this afternoon, I found myself singing along with ‘Tammy’ by Debbie Reynolds.
Clearly an omen.
It was followed by ‘Chain Of Fools’ by Aretha, so I’m hoping that wasn’t another comment on the Villa.
They are not they are all right backs.Fair point. Probably should ship Taylor out as left backs are overrated
Blitzing the dining room with Pledge while listening to my oldies pop CD earlier this afternoon, I found myself singing along with ‘Tammy’ by Debbie Reynolds.
Clearly an omen.
It was followed by ‘Chain Of Fools’ by Aretha, so I’m hoping that wasn’t another comment on the Villa.
I'm just glad you weren't polishing to Maxine Nightingale's 70s classic 'Right Back Where We Started From'.
Jordan Lyden off to Oldham until January.
We’ve weakened our weakest area? For fuck’s sake.
Or polishing to Beethoven's Pathetique on Radio 3 afternoon concert.
We’ve weakened our weakest area? For fuck’s sake.
Have we? I would imagine the new Dutch kid will play there and with Abraham signing it’s made for Kodjia to raid down the left wing.
Agree.And I would add we have the best midfield as well,Grealish,McGinn,Thor.
Do people not suppose we've got Terry or Huth coming in ?
As for the window in general ... wow. Those that were worried we were too old/defensive/cautious are going to be in for a heart attack ride by the looks of it now. Best attacking options in the division hands down now. GOALS GOALS GOALS
We’ve weakened our weakest area? For fuck’s sake.
Have we? I would imagine the new Dutch kid will play there and with Abraham signing it’s made for Kodjia to raid down the left wing.
I was thinking of centre back. If that red hot centre half Jedinak gets injured, where’s the cover? Agreed left back is pretty shit too.
We’ve made some great signings, but bloody hell we have an utter shit defence and we’ve actually weakened it (accepting that if Tommy Elphick is the answer then the question is ‘now the aging midfielder playing out of position is injured what shit centre half can cover for him’)
If he's shit, and I agree he is really quite shit, then does it matter if Bree is shit for example? We're no weaker, just no stronger.
I'm not a massive fan of Elphick at all, but he's better than Jedinak in defence, who has been unremittingly shit. Since Jedinak came into defence, he's dropped loads of clangers and we've drawn 3 of the last 4 games. Games against teams who are hardly the strongest in the division. The defence, or lack of, is really going to cost us this year.
Who's shittest between elphick and jedinak is a mute point. Neither of them are good enough and will cost us goals
Who's shittest between elphick and jedinak is a mute point. Neither of them are good enough and will cost us goals
I'm not a massive fan of Elphick at all, but he's better than Jedinak in defence, who has been unremittingly shit. Since Jedinak came into defence, he's dropped loads of clangers and we've drawn 3 of the last 4 games. Games against teams who are hardly the strongest in the division. The defence, or lack of, is really going to cost us this year.
There’s nothing to suggest Elphick lacks “balls”.
There’s nothing to suggest Elphick lacks “balls”.
Apart from when he bottled trying to clear the ball the other week because it looked like he might hurt his foot on the post.
Who's shittest between elphick and jedinak is a mute point. Neither of them are good enough and will cost us goals
The thing about Elphick is that if he plays, Chester has to move across to the left side which doesn't really suit him. Still think it leaves light in a pretty critical position though.
What free agents could we potentially sign at centre half then? I refuse to believe we won't sign another defender, I don't get it. Terry? Huth?What is Samba up to? ;)
Just play RDL right back and Axel cb... easy
What free agents could we potentially sign at centre half then? I refuse to believe we won't sign another defender, I don't get it. Terry? Huth?
If loans all used up the looking at out of contract centre halves which are free agents so can be signed.
Would only do 1 year deal on these
Huth 33
Wollscheid 29 (was at Stoke past)
Nedum Onuoha 31
James Collins 35
Gareth McAuley yes 38 but maybe worth a season Swansong.
But all as capable as Jedinak and are actually centreal defenders
He certainly hasn't been great, in fact he's rarely been even very good. But he hasn't been an absolute disaster either.
He really isn't.
I'd be surprised if Bruce went from having 3 recognised centre halves last season (Chester, Terry and Samba) to just one this season. He must have something lined up. Well, hopefully anyway.Nothing he does surprises me anymore.
I'd be surprised if Bruce went from having 3 recognised centre halves last season (Chester, Terry and Samba) to just one this season. He must have something lined up. Well, hopefully anyway.
Now that the window has closed, it will be interesting to see how Bruce lines the side up.
I like the idea of Kodjia and Abraham but am struggling to see how it will work
With the 2 wingers coming in, we can safely say that 3 at the back is not on the horizon so is it a straight 442 with Kodjia up front? To accommodate this, we would need to lose our holding midfielder which I can't see Bruce doing.
I suspect we'll see a holding midfielder, Jack & McGinn further forward with Bolasie and Kodj out wide possibly in a 433.
Just play RDL right back and Axel cb... easy
Now that the window has closed, it will be interesting to see how Bruce lines the side up.
I like the idea of Kodjia and Abraham but am struggling to see how it will work
With the 2 wingers coming in, we can safely say that 3 at the back is not on the horizon so is it a straight 442 with Kodjia up front? To accommodate this, we would need to lose our holding midfielder which I can't see Bruce doing.
I suspect we'll see a holding midfielder, Jack & McGinn further forward with Bolasie and Kodj out wide possibly in a 433.
I made a thread especially for such thoughts and discussion!
Villa Style Tactics formation
Come join the party there for such formation musings
Now that the window has closed, it will be interesting to see how Bruce lines the side up.
I like the idea of Kodjia and Abraham but am struggling to see how it will work
With the 2 wingers coming in, we can safely say that 3 at the back is not on the horizon so is it a straight 442 with Kodjia up front? To accommodate this, we would need to lose our holding midfielder which I can't see Bruce doing.
I suspect we'll see a holding midfielder, Jack & McGinn further forward with Bolasie and Kodj out wide possibly in a 433.
I made a thread especially for such thoughts and discussion!
Villa Style Tactics formation
Come join the party there for such formation musings
Not sure such blatant commercial promoting of your own thread is the done thing dear boy ;) ;) ;)
Nyland
Tuanzebe . Chester . Hutton
Jedinak
Bolasie Grealish McGinn . El Ghazi
Abrahams Kodjia
Radical eh? Never gonna happen, way too inventive for Brucey.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.
Just play RDL right back and Axel cb... easy
Yes, but that would show signs of footballing intelligence.
Can someone tell me what the plan is if Chester gets injured?Davis could be the new Allan Evans.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.
Maybe he has dusted his old boots off.
well he certainly isn't a strikerWay too soon to write him off. He looked good for a while and certainly showed the potential to be very good. I worry how we fail to nurture many of our younger players and how easily people decide they are useless. There are a good many that are playing for others that have proved this time and again. Never used to be the case, just the opposite.
well he certainly isn't a strikerWay too soon to write him off. He looked good for a while and certainly showed the potential to be very good. I worry how we fail to nurture many of our younger players and how easily people decide they are useless. There are a good many that are playing for others that have proved this time and again. Never used to be the case, just the opposite.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.He would have done had Aberdeen not knocked us back. The real problem was the timing, why wait ‘til the last day/hours to make a bid.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.He would have done had Aberdeen not knocked us back. The real problem was the timing, why wait ‘til the last day/hours to make a bid.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.He would have done had Aberdeen not knocked us back. The real problem was the timing, why wait ‘til the last day/hours to make a bid.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.He would have done had Aberdeen not knocked us back. The real problem was the timing, why wait ‘til the last day/hours to make a bid.
As with Abraham, who said yesterday Bruce told him he wanted him ages ago but we didn't actually sign him until 4.57pm yesterday according to local media. Things take time.
Was the French lad our first choice for CB ? we have no idea how long that had been going on.
Maybe someone else was, and that fell through unexpectedly. We just don't know.
I don't think any club just gets to noon on deadline day and thinks 'oh lets try and get him' without having worked on it, or the first/second choice deals for a good while first
I've literally no idea if we did go for 5/6 options
I've literally no idea if we did go for 5/6 options
Well obviously we didn't otherwise we would have had one.
To be honest the number doesn't really matter, we just didn't get one and their should be no excuses for that.
So, Bruce could've bought McKenna, according to the Aberdeen manager.
Idiot.
So, Bruce could've bought McKenna, according to the Aberdeen manager.
Idiot.
They turned down our bid because one, it wasn't enough and two, they wouldn't have got time to get a replacement.
No real cover in defence. I found it baffling why Bruce didn't get a decent CB in.He would have done had Aberdeen not knocked us back. The real problem was the timing, why wait ‘til the last day/hours to make a bid.
As with Abraham, who said yesterday Bruce told him he wanted him ages ago but we didn't actually sign him until 4.57pm yesterday according to local media. Things take time.
Was the French lad our first choice for CB ? we have no idea how long that had been going on.
Maybe someone else was, and that fell through unexpectedly. We just don't know.
I don't think any club just gets to noon on deadline day and thinks 'oh lets try and get him' without having worked on it, or the first/second choice deals for a good while first
Things taking time is no real excuse though when we are desperately in dire need of a CB.
I understand deals fall through and you have to wait for other deals to go through, but surely it should have been a priority the minute we knew Terry was gone. You would have thought that we would have gone after 5 or 6 different options.
If Chester gets injured we are stuffed.
So, Bruce could've bought McKenna, according to the Aberdeen manager.
Idiot.
They turned down our bid because one, it wasn't enough and two, they wouldn't have got time to get a replacement.
Bruce was given that advice a week before the deadline.
So, Bruce could've bought McKenna, according to the Aberdeen manager.
Idiot.
They turned down our bid because one, it wasn't enough and two, they wouldn't have got time to get a replacement.
Bruce was given that advice a week before the deadline.
Yeah I know, just posting what I read. He has made a right mess of it defensively.
Totally agree - and completely bonkers to bid for both McKenna and Moukoudi so late. Interestingly, Moukoudi was a sub on Friday.
:(Totally agree - and completely bonkers to bid for both McKenna and Moukoudi so late. Interestingly, Moukoudi was a sub on Friday.
We were linked with Chris Mepham from Brentford earlier in the window. I've seen him play a couple of times for Wales and for Brentford the other week and think he would have been a good signing. Right footed, but like Terry, can play on the left side and came through the ranks at Chelsea.
:(Totally agree - and completely bonkers to bid for both McKenna and Moukoudi so late. Interestingly, Moukoudi was a sub on Friday.
We were linked with Chris Mepham from Brentford earlier in the window. I've seen him play a couple of times for Wales and for Brentford the other week and think he would have been a good signing. Right footed, but like Terry, can play on the left side and came through the ranks at Chelsea.
To be fair, Phil Mepham would have been an improvement in that defence yesterday.
Are we able to sign free agents still?
McCauley from Albion has no club, and what happened to Huth? Terry also has no club of course.
The spectacular cock up of defensive recruitment surely has to be addressed somehow after that debacle.
Are we able to sign free agents still?
McCauley from Albion has no club, and what happened to Huth? Terry also has no club of course.
The spectacular cock up of defensive recruitment surely has to be addressed somehow after that debacle.
McCauley is expected to join Stevie G at Rangers.
Are we able to sign free agents still?
McCauley from Albion has no club, and what happened to Huth? Terry also has no club of course.
The spectacular cock up of defensive recruitment surely has to be addressed somehow after that debacle.
McCauley is expected to join Stevie G at Rangers.
It is beginning to look like getting Samba in was inspirational - Bruce is a clown
:(Totally agree - and completely bonkers to bid for both McKenna and Moukoudi so late. Interestingly, Moukoudi was a sub on Friday.
We were linked with Chris Mepham from Brentford earlier in the window. I've seen him play a couple of times for Wales and for Brentford the other week and think he would have been a good signing. Right footed, but like Terry, can play on the left side and came through the ranks at Chelsea.
To be fair, Phil Mepham would have been an improvement in that defence yesterday.
some direct quotes from Derek McInnes (Aberdeen) today are slightly disconcerting;
"I had a conversation with Steve Bruce last week and he said they might make a bid. We told them they would have to do it because the later in the window it was, the more resistance there would be to it. Steve is one of the good guys but when I saw my phone ringing from him on Friday there was no chance it would happen. The figure wasn’t enough anyway but the timing was the bigger factor behind it. We couldn’t replace McKenna with five hours to go.”
So basically, knowing that we desperately needed a centre-back, we didn't act quickly enough - presumably by allowing Moukoudi to take his time in deciding - to bring in a player in a key position!
some direct quotes from Derek McInnes (Aberdeen) today are slightly disconcerting;
"I had a conversation with Steve Bruce last week and he said they might make a bid. We told them they would have to do it because the later in the window it was, the more resistance there would be to it. Steve is one of the good guys but when I saw my phone ringing from him on Friday there was no chance it would happen. The figure wasn’t enough anyway but the timing was the bigger factor behind it. We couldn’t replace McKenna with five hours to go.”
So basically, knowing that we desperately needed a centre-back, we didn't act quickly enough - presumably by allowing Moukoudi to take his time in deciding - to bring in a player in a key position!
some direct quotes from Derek McInnes (Aberdeen) today are slightly disconcerting;
"I had a conversation with Steve Bruce last week and he said they might make a bid. We told them they would have to do it because the later in the window it was, the more resistance there would be to it. Steve is one of the good guys but when I saw my phone ringing from him on Friday there was no chance it would happen. The figure wasn’t enough anyway but the timing was the bigger factor behind it. We couldn’t replace McKenna with five hours to go.”
So basically, knowing that we desperately needed a centre-back, we didn't act quickly enough - presumably by allowing Moukoudi to take his time in deciding - to bring in a player in a key position!
some direct quotes from Derek McInnes (Aberdeen) today are slightly disconcerting;
"I had a conversation with Steve Bruce last week and he said they might make a bid. We told them they would have to do it because the later in the window it was, the more resistance there would be to it. Steve is one of the good guys but when I saw my phone ringing from him on Friday there was no chance it would happen. The figure wasn’t enough anyway but the timing was the bigger factor behind it. We couldn’t replace McKenna with five hours to go.”
So basically, knowing that we desperately needed a centre-back, we didn't act quickly enough - presumably by allowing Moukoudi to take his time in deciding - to bring in a player in a key position!
Shambolic.
Birmingham Meaning Evil are reporting a big sensational John Terry return hint by the man himself. Maybe it was Bruce's plan all along to try to get him back!
Birmingham Meaning Evil are reporting a big sensational John Terry return hint by the man himself. Maybe it was Bruce's plan all along to try to get him back!
What does it say?
We could use SB wages to help with the cost and give him the coaching role....
Birmingham Meaning Evil are reporting a big sensational John Terry return hint by the man himself. Maybe it was Bruce's plan all along to try to get him back!
What does it say?
He’s voted yes on an Instagram poll, question was would JT say yes if asked to come back.
Birmingham Meaning Evil are reporting a big sensational John Terry return hint by the man himself. Maybe it was Bruce's plan all along to try to get him back!
What does it say?
He’s voted yes on an Instagram poll, question was would JT say yes if asked to come back.
Do you have a link?
Birmingham Meaning Evil are reporting a big sensational John Terry return hint by the man himself. Maybe it was Bruce's plan all along to try to get him back!
Whilst Terry would be welcomed back by me. It isn’t great that we have to rely on a 38 year old whose legs could go at anytime
What does it say?
He’s voted yes on an Instagram poll, question was would JT say yes if asked to come back.
Super Jack posted on Instagram a picture of Terry's shirt.
Talk on twitter about Huth and Terry. We should sign both of the buggers. Anything to not have to see Jedinak play there again. Slow yes, effective quite probably.
Talk on twitter about Huth and Terry. We should sign both of the buggers. Anything to not have to see Jedinak play there again. Slow yes, effective quite probably.
James Collins
James Collins
Joan Collins as manager
James Collins
Joan Collins as manager
Phil Collins In the Air...
Have we forgotten that Terry was starting to deteriorate towards the end of last season and his lack of pace was often exposed.We are desperate for a centre half. He does need to appease the snarling crowd. Terry & Huth would both be a huge improvement on Jedinak at cb then again so would my mom. The fact that we find ourselves in this position 5 games into the new season beggars belief.
Yes, he was great for most of the season, but bringing him back now smacks of desperation and appeasement.
Is/was the young and hungry stipulation out the window now, because it suits?
Jedinak is poor at CH, but I think a soon to be 38 year old with no pre season will be just as poor.
I would, however like us to consider bringing him in in a coaching capacity and to install some obviously missing team spirit.
James Collins
I firmly believe Terry's time with us has come and gone. It worked to a point and he was a big influence on the side. A return to repeat the trick is risky, but if Bruce does want him and he's trying to persuade the owners it would explain Jedinak's role and the departure of Elphick which is a bit of c***s trick in my book.
I've pretty much lost patience with Bruce now. I stated that the two games in Sheffield and Blackburn would define his future, I think he's 50% out of the door.
[2 pages ago]: Bruce was only any good because Terry was there to help him.
[Bruce tries to re-sign Terry]: desperate, stupid signing of ageing prehistoric has-been.
I don't really think it can be both...
John Terry could just save Bruce’s Villa career. It would save our season too. Desperate times I suppose.
[2 pages ago]: Bruce was only any good because Terry was there to help him.
[Bruce tries to re-sign Terry]: desperate, stupid signing of ageing prehistoric has-been.
I don't really think it can be both...
[2 pages ago]: Bruce was only any good because Terry was there to help him.
[Bruce tries to re-sign Terry]: desperate, stupid signing of ageing prehistoric has-been.
I don't really think it can be both...
I must have also missed the games where his legs were gone and he struggled? Sure he had a bad one here and there, but "his legs went" business? He never had pace.
I’m really torn on this one. I’d love to see JT back just because it looks form the outside that we’re really missing his leadership, in the dressing room as much as on the pitch. However, as others have said, he was starting to look his age at the back-end of the season, and I’m not sure that a summer in Portugal will have changed that. It would make some sense if Bruce was thinking of using him in a back 3 – alongside the pace of Chester and Tuanzebe – but then his signings of El Ghazi and Bolasie suggest to me that he has no plans to revert to a back 3 a t all…
I hope this is a player-coach role, as that would seem to be the only way that this makes sense to all parties.
I’m really torn on this one. I’d love to see JT back just because it looks form the outside that we’re really missing his leadership, in the dressing room as much as on the pitch. However, as others have said, he was starting to look his age at the back-end of the season, and I’m not sure that a summer in Portugal will have changed that. It would make some sense if Bruce was thinking of using him in a back 3 – alongside the pace of Chester and Tuanzebe – but then his signings of El Ghazi and Bolasie suggest to me that he has no plans to revert to a back 3 a t all…
I hope this is a player-coach role, as that would seem to be the only way that this makes sense to all parties.
Get George Curtis backNow you talking but I think our modern shirt will not fit that man.
It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
More so than losing 4-1 to Sheffield?It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
He did pre-season training with Marseilles I think.
Oh god...
#prayforchrisjameson
I don't care how stupid we may look to some by doing it - it's the best solution now.
Is there any actual y'know, substance to this story apart from the Instagram bobbins or is it just wishful thinking/
Is there any actual y'know, substance to this story apart from the Instagram bobbins or is it just wishful thinking/
Putting 2 and 2 together I guess. Us having a desperate defense, closed transfer window, desperate manager, Terry voting he would say yes and the lack of other viable alternatives.
Not trying to defend the guy but just maybe he is under strict instructions as to who he is able to bring in, Huth and Terry may fall outside of that category.
How about planning with modicum of thought and addressing our defensive issues before transfer window closes? I am assuming we have professionals running the club including our team manager.It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
"That's the dominant national bakery for you"
"That's the dominant national bakery for you"
I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to
How about planning with modicum of thought and addressing our defensive issues before transfer window closes? I am assuming we have professionals running the club including our team manager.It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
How about planning with modicum of thought and addressing our defensive issues before transfer window closes? I am assuming we have professionals running the club including our team manager.It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
Would you rather us go until at least January with Jedinak at centrehalf then?No but how about playing a centre half Taunzebe at centre half rather than right back?
Guard of honour to welcome him back....too much?
How about planning with modicum of thought and addressing our defensive issues before transfer window closes? I am assuming we have professionals running the club including our team manager.It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
Yes, that would have been nice. But for various reasons it didn't happen so it might just possibly be time for a short-term solution to the problem. It wouldn't be desperation, it wouldn't make us look anything other than doing something we should have done a month ago, and nobody except ourselves would raise more than the slightest of eyebrows.
And carrying Kodjia on his back so that he is still wearing number 26 shirt.Guard of honour to welcome him back....too much?
I dont think that goes far enough, I’d like to see his first game back stopped in the 26th minute and him enter the field through a guard of honour of both teams, then him to head a corner straight in to open the scoring.
"That's the dominant national bakery for you"
I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to
"Bruce has said he see's Jedinak as a centre-half so it would take him eating of whole lot greggs humble pie to back-track now."
"That's the dominant national bakery for you"
How about planning with modicum of thought and addressing our defensive issues before transfer window closes? I am assuming we have professionals running the club including our team manager.It would make sense all round, not just on the pitch but in the dressing room as well.It would be desperate behind belief. Make us look like complete and utter numpties as a club.
How would it?
Would you rather us go until at least January with Jedinak at centrehalf then?No but how about playing a centre half Taunzebe at centre half rather than right back?
OK fine it’s just rankles me with everything else being so crap all around😥
No but how about playing a centre half Taunzebe at centre half rather than right back?
Would you rather us go until at least January with Jedinak at centrehalf then?No but how about playing a centre half Taunzebe at centre half rather than right back?
I’d rather Terry there.
No but how about playing a centre half Taunzebe at centre half rather than right back?
Apart from the fact Tuanzebe isn't a centre half as such, and has played in the exact same 3 positions for Man Utd that he has with us maybe, just maybe Terry coming in and being comfortable on the left hand side of defence MAY result in a three at the back approach with Tuanzebe - Chester - Terry?
Or maybe Tuanzebe may get dropped to the bench in favour of the Elmo - Chester - Terry - Hutton old favoured flat back four
Time for a layout...
3-2-3-2
----------------Nyland---------------
-------Chester---Terry---Hutton-----
-----------Jedinak--McGinn----------
----Bolasie------Grealish-----El Ghazi
----------Abraham-----Kodjia-------
Time for a layout...
3-2-3-2
----------------Nyland---------------
-------Chester---Terry---Hutton-----
-----------Jedinak--McGinn----------
----Bolasie------Grealish-----El Ghazi
----------Abraham-----Kodjia-------
Time for a layout...
3-2-3-2
----------------Nyland---------------
-------Chester---Terry---Hutton-----
-----------Jedinak--McGinn----------
----Bolasie------Grealish-----El Ghazi
----------Abraham-----Kodjia-------
That looks a lot like trusting the unknown.
Are Bolasie and El Ghazi going to be able to give the necessary protection to the non existent full backs?
Time for a layout...
3-2-3-2
----------------Nyland---------------
-------Chester---Terry---Hutton-----
-----------Jedinak--McGinn----------
----Bolasie------Grealish-----El Ghazi
----------Abraham-----Kodjia-------
:-) I thought it might attract comments suggesting it looks a bit 'Keaganish'.
My team with everyone fit would be 4-4-2 Nyland, DeLaet, Chester, Terry, Hutton, Elhamody, Jedinak, McGinn, Bolasie, Grealish, Kodjia.
With Tuenzebe, Hourahane, El Ghazi, Abraham, Thor and Adomah all waiting in the wings.
Maybe, but if it were me picking the team I'd go with that 4-4-2 above. If Terry does come back of course.
Maybe, but if it were me picking the team I'd go with that 4-4-2 above. If Terry does come back of course.
4-4-2 would mean Grealish playing up-front...?
:-) I thought it might attract comments suggesting it looks a bit 'Keaganish'.
My team with everyone fit would be 4-4-2 Nyland, DeLaet, Chester, Terry, Hutton, Elhamody, Jedinak, McGinn, Bolasie, Grealish, Kodjia.
With Tuenzebe, Hourahane, El Ghazi, Abraham, Thor and Adomah all waiting in the wings.
I can't see Bruce deviating from his 4-5-1 (that I'm sure he'd refer to as a 4-3-3) any time soon. I'd also be fairly certain that Tuanzebe and Abraham (and possibly El Ghazi) will have been guaranteed a certain amount of playing time. To me that means that we're unlikely to see either 3 at the back, or 2 up-front in the foreseeable future, unless we're talking about the last 10 minutes of games that we're chasing!
Well may be to you not mate but I am losing hope and looking at another season after which we stay relegated.OK fine it’s just rankles me with everything else being so crap all around😥Everything else isn't crap all around. Our defence is crap all around. That's what urgently needs to be fixed and in large part would be.
From what I understand, Terry had promised to join Sporting should Madeira Rodrigues win the Presidency in the upcoming club elections. Madeira Rodrigues has this afternoon just stood down as a candidate so the deal would appear to be off. Madeira Rodrigues is now putting his support behind another candidate but I can't see Terry being part of his plan, should he win.
Terry now finds himself without any prospect of playing football this season unless Teflon Bruce can convince the board to bring him back. Celtic are also said to be interested but I guess we'll know if and where he's going to play by the weekend.
Edit: Just a thought, after yesterday going public on John Terry, maybe Terry has told him it's not happening as he now has another offer and forced Madeira Rodrigues to pull out of the elections as he'd look an absolute tool.
#prayforjamo
I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
What rumours? Is there something more concrete than instagram?
I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
His mum's funeral? I know ye do burials a bit later than many countries but it's been, what, six months now!
I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.
I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.
And We're doomed!
I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.
and Captain Mainwaring to lead them
I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
He was brilliant with the other players, so bring him in as a coach instead, or assistant manager maybe?
I heard from a good source they want Thierry Henri to take over with John Terry as his assistant.I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
He was brilliant with the other players, so bring him in as a coach instead, or assistant manager maybe?
and sack Bruce
I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
He was brilliant with the other players, so bring him in as a coach instead, or assistant manager maybe?
and sack Bruce
The Twitter picture from his son, Alex, showed a grave name which wasn't Bruce.His mum's funeral? I know ye do burials a bit later than many countries but it's been, what, six months now!
Visiting the grave of his parents in Belfast.
The Twitter picture from his son, Alex, showed a grave name which wasn't Bruce.His mum's funeral? I know ye do burials a bit later than many countries but it's been, what, six months now!
Visiting the grave of his parents in Belfast.
Flora Greed , 2000
I heard from a good source they want Thierry Henri to take over with John Terry as his assistant.I think the fact that there's been no denial from JT about the rumours of him returning is a clear sign that something is happening behind the scenes. I predict something will be announced tomorrow....
He was brilliant with the other players, so bring him in as a coach instead, or assistant manager maybe?
and sack Bruce
Disclaimer: my good source is a local pisshead down the pub who reckons his brother spoke to a former player in asda.
Collins although 35 should be ok as a stop gap this season.
hmmm. clapped out centre-half who wasn't much good when we sold him. Sounds about right.Who has carried on having a solid if unspectacular career in the top flight since he left.
hmmm. clapped out centre-half who wasn't much good when we sold him. Sounds about right.
He was alright Collins. Nothing spectacular, but he wasn't awful.
Don't even say that because Pep Bruce will have them in midfield.He was alright Collins. Nothing spectacular, but he wasn't awful.
His passing makes Jedi look like Iniesta
Didn't he hit Gordon Cowans in La manga??
I know its been done to death on here but Jesus wept. 5 games in and out of a cup and we're looking at bringing in James bleeding Collins to plug our defence. How many games would him and or Terry miss through being clapped out? We are a laughing stock in football thanks to Bruce
I think Terry is coming back, he’s dropped a massive and obvious hint on Instagram this morning.
I think Terry is coming back, he’s dropped a massive and obvious hint on Instagram this morning.I saw that.
hmmm. clapped out centre-half who wasn't much good when we sold him. Sounds about right.
I know its been done to death on here but Jesus wept. 5 games in and out of a cup and we're looking at bringing in James bleeding Collins to plug our defence.
How many games would him and or Terry miss through being clapped out? We are a laughing stock in football thanks to Bruce. How can a championship team with our resources albeit recently start the season with such an utterly imbalanced squad. Front 5 that could do ok in the premier league and a back 5 that wouldn't cope inLeague One. How in gods name is Bruce still at the helm of our illustrious club? It's a fucking mental situation imo.
I know its been done to death on here but Jesus wept. 5 games in and out of a cup and we're looking at bringing in James bleeding Collins to plug our defence.
How many games would him and or Terry miss through being clapped out? We are a laughing stock in football thanks to Bruce. How can a championship team with our resources albeit recently start the season with such an utterly imbalanced squad. Front 5 that could do ok in the premier league and a back 5 that wouldn't cope inLeague One. How in gods name is Bruce still at the helm of our illustrious club? It's a fucking mental situation imo.
I thought that Terry was looking at Sporting. Is that link dead now ?
I thought that Terry was looking at Sporting. Is that link dead now ?
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
Thing is there's no possibility of a better plan till window opens in January now - cant even recall Elphick or Suliman until then. Can only bring in a current free agent and I'd way prefer Terry than Huth or Collins or the others being mentioned, not least for his presence in the dressing room and his guiding hand on Jacks shoulder when he's being kicked to f*ck, not to mention his word in the refs ear about that.
I just couldn't imagine such a spineless collapse as we saw against Sheffield with JT in the team or even in the dressing room. I'd drive him back myself just now to be honest
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
Thing is there's no possibility of a better plan till window opens in January now - cant even recall Elphick or Suliman until then. Can only bring in a current free agent and I'd way prefer Terry than Huth or Collins or the others being mentioned, not least for his presence in the dressing room and his guiding hand on Jacks shoulder when he's being kicked to f*ck, not to mention his word in the refs ear about that.
I just couldn't imagine such a spineless collapse as we saw against Sheffield with JT in the team or even in the dressing room. I'd drive him back myself just now to be honest
I seem to remember a pretty spineless collapse, at a crucial moment, away at Norwich last year. Of which Terry was a major contributor. Plus I think we've come back from losing positions to win matches more times this season than last already.
I'm not saying that he won't help improve us at the moment, but I really do think his influence is exaggerated. It's outrageous that we should be so desperate for a centre back in September though. I appreciate we didn't have the most orthodox of summers, but there must have been better options that a 38 year old that hasn't had a pre-season, and was starting to make silly mistakes last year.
Personally, I'd prefer Collins. He's much better in the air, younger, has played a higher level more recently and will pose more of a threat from set pieces.
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
How can we move on if the alternative is half a season with Jedinak calamities?!? We need him and if he gets him he might just save Bruce’s job as the team would be even stronger than last year
Why is Terry coming back?
I thought he'd retired or something.
We are very shaky at the back this season, but I wish we had a better plan than tempting back John fucking Terry.
Move on.
It'll be a happy day when people like Steve Bruce and John Terry are no longer associated with the club I love.
Thing is there's no possibility of a better plan till window opens in January now - cant even recall Elphick or Suliman until then. Can only bring in a current free agent and I'd way prefer Terry than Huth or Collins or the others being mentioned, not least for his presence in the dressing room and his guiding hand on Jacks shoulder when he's being kicked to f*ck, not to mention his word in the refs ear about that.
I just couldn't imagine such a spineless collapse as we saw against Sheffield with JT in the team or even in the dressing room. I'd drive him back myself just now to be honest
I seem to remember a pretty spineless collapse, at a crucial moment, away at Norwich last year. Of which Terry was a major contributor. Plus I think we've come back from losing positions to win matches more times this season than last already.
I'm not saying that he won't help improve us at the moment, but I really do think his influence is exaggerated. It's outrageous that we should be so desperate for a centre back in September though. I appreciate we didn't have the most orthodox of summers, but there must have been better options that a 38 year old that hasn't had a pre-season, and was starting to make silly mistakes last year.
Personally, I'd prefer Collins. He's much better in the air, younger, has played a higher level more recently and will pose more of a threat from set pieces.
Fair enough I'll amend it to "our defence is a laughing stock in football" thanks to Bruce.I know its been done to death on here but Jesus wept. 5 games in and out of a cup and we're looking at bringing in James bleeding Collins to plug our defence. How many games would him and or Terry miss through being clapped out? We are a laughing stock in football thanks to Bruce
I've told you a million times. Do not exaggerate.
Collins is wank!
To send Elphick out on loan and not buy anyone in the window, Bruce or the club must have known someone would be coming in, whether it be Terry or Collins or another free agent, surely......er
To send Elphick out on loan and not buy anyone in the window, Bruce or the club must have known someone would be coming in, whether it be Terry or Collins or another free agent, surely......er
Nah...I,d prefer to go with the "we fucked up again" theory
I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.
and Captain Mainwaring to lead them
Give the kids a chance! (sign Pike ;D)
Not saying we don't need another CB, but the answer is staring Bruce in the face with a back 4 of Elmo, Chester, Tunazebe, Hutton. Jedinak should be used there in case of emergency and not as a first choice. Bree should be ahead of him.That does seem the obvious answer but non of us really know if Tuanzebe is up to it yet. Hopefully he will be.
Not saying we don't need another CB, but the answer is staring Bruce in the face with a back 4 of Elmo, Chester, Tunazebe, Hutton. Jedinak should be used there in case of emergency and not as a first choice. Bree should be ahead of him.That does seem the obvious answer but non of us really know if Tuanzebe is up to it yet. Hopefully he will be.
Collins is wank!
he's like no otherCollins is wank!
Easy Lover is ok
Collins is a good centre back a bit slower than when last here, but from
memory I think his out burst and dragging Cid over the table when Cid intervened over Collins bad treatment of a younger player is unforgivable in my mind. This went on with his mate Dunn who got pissed I think on a team building break & Houlier with Macalister had left to watch a match in London, I would like Huth if fit
If it’s true that Collins got physical with Sid then he doesn’t deserve to play for us again, however Bruce won’t care about that as he proved by bringing Gabby back into the fold.
Collins is wank!
Collins is wank!
You make a valid point
Collins is wank!
You make a valid point
Wank at PL level for sure. But at Championship level for a few months. And relative to Jedinak in that position he’s Baresi.
I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.I'd bring in Terry, Huth and James Collins.
and Captain Mainwaring to lead them
Give the kids a chance! (sign Pike ;D)
Moment of terrible clarity. We’re actually discussing the merits of coaxing Collins or Huth here to save our season.
Moment of terrible clarity. We’re actually discussing the merits of coaxing Collins or Huth here to save our season.
When the real question is why you would look at bringing in two players as bad as one you already own but loaned out with no replacement - incompetence
Some bloke called Martin Cockshaw claims to be Huth’s agent and says he’s about to sign for Villa......on twitter.
Seems strange to announce it in advance if he really is his agent?
I think the biggest question at the moment is why sign Axel if you intend to use him at a right back, given that you have 4 other right back options in the squad.
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
At this point, we'd be better off getting Samba back, so that said, Collins and/or Huth doesn't seem such a bad alternative and beggars can't be choosers. We need the bodies at the back.
After reading this I just shook my head and thought how the hell is Steve Bruce still manager of our football club?
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
I think the biggest question at the moment is why sign Axel if you intend to use him at a right back, given that you have 4 other right back options in the squad.I think the bigger question is why would the manager responsible for such massive fuckuppery still have a job?
I think the biggest question at the moment is why sign Axel if you intend to use him at a right back, given that you have 4 other right back options in the squad.Specially when you know you have created a problem in central defence.
I think the bigger question is why would the manager responsible for such massive fuckuppery still have a job?And that as well.
I think the bigger question is why would the manager responsible for such massive fuckuppery still have a job?And that as well.
After reading this I just shook my head and thought how the hell is Steve Bruce still manager of our football club?
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
After reading this I just shook my head and thought how the hell is Steve Bruce still manager of our football club?
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
Absolutely. I remember a couple of years ago, when he was actually playing, people getting really upset at the idea of signing Huth. Now, 18 months without kicking a football in anger, he’s our best option.
That's because most fans were still thinking we could aim higher at that time. He was a bit of a journeyman already and an ex Stoke,Middlesboro, Leicester player was hardly going to get anyone excited. Obviously things have now changed. A LOT.After reading this I just shook my head and thought how the hell is Steve Bruce still manager of our football club?
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
Absolutely. I remember a couple of years ago, when he was actually playing, people getting really upset at the idea of signing Huth. Now, 18 months without kicking a football in anger, he’s our best option.
Not saying you're wrong, but were people really getting upset about the idea of us signing Huth around the time he was a near-ever present as Leicester won the league?
SB probably thought that he could get away with Jedi at CB but realised too late that it was a mistake and then frantically tried to get the two younger lads in at the last minute before the loan window shut. If so, somewhat reactive and, frankly, poor management.Its the bit about him trying to prove himself right that Jedinak could play at centre half is what really boils my piss. He is the only person in the free world who thought that yet he persisted with it just because he wouldn't admit he was wrong. Now it's too late and our season could well hinge on that decision.
SB probably thought that he could get away with Jedi at CB but realised too late that it was a mistake and then frantically tried to get the two younger lads in at the last minute before the loan window shut. If so, somewhat reactive and, frankly, poor management.
Its even worse management than you think Chris. He knew last season that Jedi couldn't play Cb yet has persisted with it this season. Also we have only 1 recognised cb and left back! I would call that p-ss poor negligent management!The thing is, I don't think Jedi is completely terrible at CB, and can certainly do a job there in an emergency. However, because he hasn't played there a lot in his career, he lacks the awareness of the position, so often gets caught out. So, relying on him as one of our first-choice CBs just seems a bit dumb to me.
That's because most fans were still thinking we could aim higher at that time. He was a bit of a journeyman already and an ex Stoke,Middlesboro, Leicester player was hardly going to get anyone excited. Obviously things have now changed. A LOT.After reading this I just shook my head and thought how the hell is Steve Bruce still manager of our football club?
Whilst the prospect of Huth or Collins at this stage of their careers is hardly mouth watering. They're both superior players to Elphick let's be honest.
Not exactly sure either will have the legs for it anymore though. Mind you neither did Elphick.
Absolutely. I remember a couple of years ago, when he was actually playing, people getting really upset at the idea of signing Huth. Now, 18 months without kicking a football in anger, he’s our best option.
Not saying you're wrong, but were people really getting upset about the idea of us signing Huth around the time he was a near-ever present as Leicester won the league?
Huth would be fine as the Samba replacement. That's all really.😂😂😂
I just think he assumed he'd get a new CB on deadline day. We had bid rejected for Scott McKenna and also had the French guy over for talks but neither happened.Assumed and professionalism do not go together.
Also must've been pretty confident John Terry would return so to be knocked back on three main targets is a problem and now we're looking at other free agents like Huth. Good defender when fit but he's hardly played a game in 18 months.
Plus, we've had quotes from the Aberdeen manager saying they TOLD him that they wouldn't deal if he left it until the last day!!I just think he assumed he'd get a new CB on deadline day. We had bid rejected for Scott McKenna and also had the French guy over for talks but neither happened.Assumed and professionalism do not go together.
Also must've been pretty confident John Terry would return so to be knocked back on three main targets is a problem and now we're looking at other free agents like Huth. Good defender when fit but he's hardly played a game in 18 months.
Huth would be fine as the Samba replacement. That's all really.
Huth would be fine as the Samba replacement. That's all really.
Are you suggesting that we press ahead with Jedinak and Tuanzebe until January?
Plus, we've had quotes from the Aberdeen manager saying they TOLD him that they wouldn't deal if he left it until the last day!!I just think he assumed he'd get a new CB on deadline day. We had bid rejected for Scott McKenna and also had the French guy over for talks but neither happened.Assumed and professionalism do not go together.
Also must've been pretty confident John Terry would return so to be knocked back on three main targets is a problem and now we're looking at other free agents like Huth. Good defender when fit but he's hardly played a game in 18 months.
Does Bruce know that George Weah has put his boots back on? Okay so he is 51 and the President of Liberia. Mere detail.
Does Bruce know that George Weah has put his boots back on? Okay so he is 51 and the President of Liberia. Mere detail.
I do like the idea of being the first club to have a player/president. Even Trump might be as useful as Samba.
Huth would be fine as the Samba replacement. That's all really.
Are you suggesting that we press ahead with Jedinak and Tuanzebe until January?
Er, what the fuck are you on about?
Do Librarians make good centre half"s?
Do Librarians make good centre half"s?
No, they're too quiet. Though quite well organised.
Surely if we were looking at a free agent we’d have done it by now. I think SB is quite happy with what he’s got. It’s like the old Blackadder joke about the mad captain asked whether a ship needs a crew if it’s going to sail round the world, ‘there’s two opinions, every other captain says you do, I say you dont’.
That may all be true, but even so it's pretty remarkable that this long after the close of the window we still haven't sorted this.Surely if we were looking at a free agent we’d have done it by now. I think SB is quite happy with what he’s got. It’s like the old Blackadder joke about the mad captain asked whether a ship needs a crew if it’s going to sail round the world, ‘there’s two opinions, every other captain says you do, I say you dont’.
There could be a list of reasons why we haven't though. Maybe he did have some targets before the close of the window which he wasn't able to bring in for whatever reason. When that didn't go through, maybe he did look to bring Terry back, but that deal didn't work out. Maybe he also thought Jedinak would be fine at centre half and put his bad start down to his shortened pre season after the World Cup.
All speculation of course, but possible reasons why we may not have brought in a free agent up until now. As I said before, it would be an emergency measure and far from ideal, but is definitely something we should be considering.
That may all be true, but even so it's pretty remarkable that this long after the close of the window we still haven't sorted this.Surely if we were looking at a free agent we’d have done it by now. I think SB is quite happy with what he’s got. It’s like the old Blackadder joke about the mad captain asked whether a ship needs a crew if it’s going to sail round the world, ‘there’s two opinions, every other captain says you do, I say you dont’.
There could be a list of reasons why we haven't though. Maybe he did have some targets before the close of the window which he wasn't able to bring in for whatever reason. When that didn't go through, maybe he did look to bring Terry back, but that deal didn't work out. Maybe he also thought Jedinak would be fine at centre half and put his bad start down to his shortened pre season after the World Cup.
All speculation of course, but possible reasons why we may not have brought in a free agent up until now. As I said before, it would be an emergency measure and far from ideal, but is definitely something we should be considering.
Let's get it right. It's not just the recent transfer window is it? What's remarkable is that it's precisely one year and eleven months since Bruce took charge and our defence is still an utter shambles. Even more remarkable is the fact that he's still our manager.That may all be true, but even so it's pretty remarkable that this long after the close of the window we still haven't sorted this.Surely if we were looking at a free agent we’d have done it by now. I think SB is quite happy with what he’s got. It’s like the old Blackadder joke about the mad captain asked whether a ship needs a crew if it’s going to sail round the world, ‘there’s two opinions, every other captain says you do, I say you dont’.
There could be a list of reasons why we haven't though. Maybe he did have some targets before the close of the window which he wasn't able to bring in for whatever reason. When that didn't go through, maybe he did look to bring Terry back, but that deal didn't work out. Maybe he also thought Jedinak would be fine at centre half and put his bad start down to his shortened pre season after the World Cup.
All speculation of course, but possible reasons why we may not have brought in a free agent up until now. As I said before, it would be an emergency measure and far from ideal, but is definitely something we should be considering.
On the Blackadder theme, SB is probably a heavy defeat away from being seen at BH with his underpants on his head and two pencils up his hooter.
Mrs Bruce was making a lovely Sunday roast one day. They had green beans and parsnips but she realised that they were out of potatoes and carrots to go with the lovely joint of beef she had. Steve was sent to the shops with plenty of money. He returned with lots more green beans and parsnips and he bought a trumpet with the leftover money.On the Blackadder theme, SB is probably a heavy defeat away from being seen at BH with his underpants on his head and two pencils up his hooter.
Like Baldrick, he's fine when you send him out with little money to do the shopping. Give him loads of money to spend he comes back with a giant turnip.
According to the B'ham Mail, Bruce is about to sanction a loan deal for RDL to join Melbourne City! Well done Brucie if true! Weaken the defence even further! I thought RDL looked really good in pre-season matches??
Please tell me RDL isn't yet another one of these players that is crap when he's here and then some folks are up in arms when he's gone ?
He's bang bloody average ... at best. Just like Elphick.
Please tell me RDL isn't yet another one of these players that is crap when he's here and then some folks are up in arms when he's gone ?
He's bang bloody average ... at best. Just like Elphick.
Even if you think RDL is crap, surely you can't think that loaning him to the A-League is the best solution, for anyone.
Please tell me RDL isn't yet another one of these players that is crap when he's here and then some folks are up in arms when he's gone ?
He's bang bloody average ... at best. Just like Elphick.
Even if you think RDL is crap, surely you can't think that loaning him to the A-League is the best solution, for anyone.
Well, he can't go on loan anywhere else as far as i can see so why not ?
I wouldn't have him in front of Elmo, Bree or even Hutton at RB so ...
I'm not even sure i'd have him ahead of Tuanzebe either come to think of it. Good pre season? i think he whipped in a couple of decent crosses against a non league side and scored against another. That's it.
Harsh? i don't think so personally
RDL is a better RB than Axel . FactNot trying to be rude or anything but how is that a fact JP?
Quote from: JUAN PABLO link=topic=58677.msg3483760#msg3483760 dateRDL is a better RB than Axel . FactNot trying to be rude or anything but how is that a fact JP?
Even if you think RDL is crap, surely you can't think that loaning him to the A-League is the best solution, for anyone.
Well, he can't go on loan anywhere else as far as i can see so why not ?
I wouldn't have him in front of Elmo, Bree or even Hutton at RB so ...
I'm not even sure i'd have him ahead of Tuanzebe either come to think of it. Good pre season? i think he whipped in a couple of decent crosses against a non league side and scored against another. That's it.
Harsh? i don't think so personally
Well, Bruce clearly agrees with you that he’s not good enough, so why bother playing him in pre-season instead of giving Bree maximum playing time? Why not arrange a loan for him that would beneficial to both him and the club, rather than sending him to a footballing retirement home the other side of the globe? Better still, why not try to get a fee for him on the back of his ‘impressive’ pre-season.
Out of interest, how did you rate our other full-backs’ pre-seasons?
Surely RDL could be a backup left back if we get injuries? Doesn’t make sense.
We played 3 at the back in the pre-season games and yet do not adopt it for the season; we have a fit-again decent defender who played okay in the pre-season and is now being showed the door, effectively.According to the B'ham Mail, Bruce is about to sanction a loan deal for RDL to join Melbourne City! Well done Brucie if true! Weaken the defence even further! I thought RDL looked really good in pre-season matches??
Bruce obviously does not rate De Laet or there is some kind of issue between the pair, so why wasn't he either sold or loaned out in the summer? Instead he's now going to be loaned out to play in a footballing backwater (apologies to all our Aussie friends on here for that description!!) which as McCormack proved last season, is not really preparation for a possible return to Championship football.
Aspects of Bruce's squad management really are atrocious.
Perhaps he has to clear some of the salary out before he signs John Terry.
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Based on his comments and decision making, I do actually believe he has lost the plot.
Nyland
Elmo Chester Tuanzebe Hutton
Jedinak
Bolasie McGinn Grealish El Ghazi
Abraham
Is Bruce looking to go with this sort of team in the longer term? With Jimmy Danger, Thor, Whelan, Albert, Bree as back up?
Dreadfully weak defence, other than Chester.
I'm annoyed that Bruce has been allowed to loan out another of our defenders.
RDL has been described as "quality" and "versatile" by his new manager, the kind of player we need especially defensively. After the way Bruce has f-cked up our back line, I'm amazed he is still allowed to have a say over our outgoings and incomings and for what purpose? To shoehorn Axel into the right back position at the expense of our own players (including Bruce signings), so he can appease manure and allow moaninho to have an influence over our starting 11. It all smacks of desperation in an attempt no doubt to see a possible return of terry to undo Bruce's f-cking mess, he hopes.
On RDL, bearing in mind how good he looked in pre-season
On RDL, bearing in mind how good he looked in pre-season
Where on earth has this myth come from ?
Well you can only go on what you see I guess. I thought he looked bang average as usual. Apart from a couple of decent crosses in an early friendly.
Well you can only go on what you see I guess. I thought he looked bang average as usual. Apart from a couple of decent crosses in an early friendly.
As I asked you yesterday, which of our other full-backs did you think looked better than him during pre-season?
Based on form, I'd have started him once his 2 match ban was over. Aside from scoring against Hull, Hutton's been woeful at left-back and Taylor is just woeful in general. I like Bree but, again, would have put De Laet ahead of him on the back of his pre-season showings.Some transfer dealings there.
You're right, he did also play on the right handside of midfield in pre-season and, again, looked good there. His versatility is another reason why I would keep him around, given how imbalanced the squad is at present.
Worth noting that Bruce has signed Taylor, Elmohamady, Bree and Tuanzebe (and re-signed Hutton) whilst RDL has been on the books. At the very least, there should have been some plan in place to move RDL's wages on before being allowed to spend so much on players to play in the same position, surely? This- and the outlay on the likes of Lansbury and Hogan - are the reason that I shudder every time I hear him hide behind FFP.
Like a balding man who thinks the answer is a new hat.
Like a balding man who thinks the answer is a new hat.Very descriptive of my approach. I have 10+ flat caps.
I'm not a fan of RDL and never have been. Although he had a good pre-season, I'd never have him in my starting line up. Therefore, with the cover we have at RB, it makes perfect sense to loan him out.For me, the question is: if he doesn’t want to play him, why loan him out rather than sell him?
Perhaps there were no suitors or perhaps RDL wouldn't take a drop in wages?
We're stuck with a few fairly high earners who certainly wouldn't match their current wage if sold.
I'd be very disappointed if Drummond doesn't own at least one flat cap. And a whippet.
Oddly Drummond who is a handsome non hirsute young man wears a hat to keep his head warm. I am a hairy old coffin dodger driven by misplaced vanity. I too have a large collection of hats that make me look like my dad. Mostly peaky blinder flat caps.
Steven Caulker doing the gossip around .Wow - would be surprised if that happened - someone who Dundee deem fit to release really isn't really going to get a game is he? Is he?
Steven Caulker doing the gossip around .Wow - would be surprised if that happened - someone who Dundee deem fit to release really isn't really going to get a game is he? Is he?
Steven Caulker doing the gossip around .Wow - would be surprised if that happened - someone who Dundee deem fit to release really isn't really going to get a game is he? Is he?
Desperate times...can we just try Micah to see what happens?
From what I have watched of him on Sportscene is has totally lost it. He looked like fish out of water at that level before I realised it was actually him, a total contrast to the guy who played for Spurs.Steven Caulker doing the gossip around .Wow - would be surprised if that happened - someone who Dundee deem fit to release really isn't really going to get a game is he? Is he?
I think he triggered the clause to leave not Dundee...currently pointless at the bottom of the SPL
From what I have watched of him on Sportscene is has totally lost it. He looked like fish out of water at that level before I realised it was actually him, a total contrast to the guy who played for Spurs.Steven Caulker doing the gossip around .Wow - would be surprised if that happened - someone who Dundee deem fit to release really isn't really going to get a game is he? Is he?
I think he triggered the clause to leave not Dundee...currently pointless at the bottom of the SPL
Did Collins and Chester ever play together at the back for Wales?
Did Collins and Chester ever play together at the back for Wales?
Collins? dear god.Simple question, if he’s match fit is he a better option than Jedi? If Chester gets injured is he a better option than Bree? If yes and his wages are sensible, what is the downside?
Off the top of my head, he’s a gigantic c*** who’s already had a hand in ruining one villa dressing room?
Collins? dear god.Simple question, if he’s match fit is he a better option than Jedi? If Chester gets injured is he a better option than Bree? If yes and his wages are sensible, what is the downside?
Yeah but Samba turned out to be a big waste of time, and he was younger and was good once. This clown has never been good, he's a total c*** in fact.
If the stories are true about his previous behaviour when he was here I'd rather play with 10 men than rely on this poisonous prick.Plus he's wank
See Mike's post on previous pageIf the stories are true about his previous behaviour when he was here I'd rather play with 10 men than rely on this poisonous prick.Plus he's wank
Do tell ?
I've met Sid, never heard that. Fuck off Collins you bastarding twat!!!!See Mike's post on previous pageIf the stories are true about his previous behaviour when he was here I'd rather play with 10 men than rely on this poisonous prick.Plus he's wank
Do tell ?
Collins? dear god.Simple question, if he’s match fit is he a better option than Jedi? If Chester gets injured is he a better option than Bree? If yes and his wages are sensible, what is the downside?
Katie Hopkins is.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2011/03/18/dunne-and-collins-are-fined-by-villa/
Collins is currently injured and was signed earlier by Ipswich as he wasn't fit enough ..has had alot of calf injuries which is why he has missed games in last few years
Did Collins and Chester ever play together at the back for Wales?
Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
But in the meantime we still have no better options in the defence, so do we want some cover, albeit limited, or no cover at all?Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
You get rid of the chef.
But in the meantime we still have no better options in the defence, so do we want some cover, albeit limited, or no cover at all?Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
You get rid of the chef.
If Chester breaks his leg tomorrow, which youngsters are ready to be thrown into a promotion challenge to partner Axel or Jedi through to Christmas? And when Jedi becomes fatigued, what then?But in the meantime we still have no better options in the defence, so do we want some cover, albeit limited, or no cover at all?Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
You get rid of the chef.
Personally I'd rather we use our youngsters as cover than sign a 35 year old wanker.
If Chester breaks his leg tomorrow, which youngsters are ready to be thrown into a promotion challenge to partner Axel or Jedi through to Christmas? And when Jedi becomes fatigued, what then?But in the meantime we still have no better options in the defence, so do we want some cover, albeit limited, or no cover at all?Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
You get rid of the chef.
Personally I'd rather we use our youngsters as cover than sign a 35 year old wanker.
I don't think it's a good solution, I think it's a terrible one and this is absolutely Bruce and the Boards fault. But as with Samba last year in the position we are in right now, I'd rather have the an option to fall back on than no option at all.
I would be ok with Bree getting some time alongside Chester, but would be seriously worried if he was alongside Axel or Jedi - I can just imagine them falling apart. Whatever people think of Collins he is enormously experienced, and if the worst should happen that experience could be vital.If Chester breaks his leg tomorrow, which youngsters are ready to be thrown into a promotion challenge to partner Axel or Jedi through to Christmas? And when Jedi becomes fatigued, what then?But in the meantime we still have no better options in the defence, so do we want some cover, albeit limited, or no cover at all?Unfortunately with how badly Bruce has fucked up the defensive options this is the market we are shopping in. When you make that much of a pigs ear of things you have to grin and bear it and eat the roasted rat that you've cooked up yourself.No you don't.
You get rid of the chef.
Personally I'd rather we use our youngsters as cover than sign a 35 year old wanker.
I don't think it's a good solution, I think it's a terrible one and this is absolutely Bruce and the Boards fault. But as with Samba last year in the position we are in right now, I'd rather have the an option to fall back on than no option at all.
Well Axel and Jedi would become the first choice pairing and we'd have to look at getting game time for Bedeau to get him up to speed a little. Bree would also be an option there but again he needs time to learn it. Regardless of who the backup is we'll be weaker for losing our best defender but if we use it as an opportunity to give experience to a young player we might see benefits from that it 12-18 months. I don't think we'd be particularly weaker than if Collins was on the bench instead because he's shit and he's past it.
RDL can play in the middle if necessary.In Australia!!
I don't deny he's experienced, but he's also never been more than an average defender, is now 35 and has played about 15 games in the last 18 months. Experience can be beneficial but, like Bruce, you're falling into the trap of massively over-valuing it compared to fitness, physique, technical ability and attitude (and also the fact that he acted like a c**t when he was here before). I'd honestly rather we gave Samba another year if we want to sign an old man who can't run as cover.Yeah, fair point. I accept it's a shit option. I guess I'm trying to be glass half full, but am furious the club has allowed us to get into this situation. We can certainly agree in an ideal world Collins wouldn't be anywhere near the club. Hopefully even if he does sign we won't need to play him.
I don't deny he's experienced, but he's also never been more than an average defender, is now 35 and has played about 15 games in the last 18 months. Experience can be beneficial but, like Bruce, you're falling into the trap of massively over-valuing it compared to fitness, physique, technical ability and attitude (and also the fact that he acted like a c**t when he was here before). I'd honestly rather we gave Samba another year if we want to sign an old man who can't run as cover.
He'd be coming in to do a similar job to Samba I would have thought and while I wouldn't have gone for him in particular, it's a long season and he might be needed.
Absolutely, letting Elphick go was madness without a definite plan in place.He'd be coming in to do a similar job to Samba I would have thought and while I wouldn't have gone for him in particular, it's a long season and he might be needed.
Could'nt De Laet or Elphick have done that job? What was the point of getting rid of both of them if it was just to open the way to sign James Fucking Collins?
It's just stupid, I really don't get him at all. I really hope we do not sign Collins either. Can he even still play? I thought he was injured for most of the last year. That aside he also pissed me right off when he was last here and I was glad to see the back of him.He'd be coming in to do a similar job to Samba I would have thought and while I wouldn't have gone for him in particular, it's a long season and he might be needed.
Could'nt De Laet or Elphick have done that job? What was the point of getting rid of both of them if it was just to open the way to sign James Fucking Collins?
Agree with Chris. It's not that he's let Elphick go, for me it's that he let him go without having someone lined up to come in.
I think the reality is they had that French lad lined up and it fell through. Still hugely naive to let Elphick go before it was sorted. This mess could really derail our season.Agree with Chris. It's not that he's let Elphick go, for me it's that he let him go without having someone lined up to come in.
not just someone lined up, someone better. If Terry had arrived within a day or 2 I don't think anyone would have a problem but it's 3 weeks later and we're being linked with a player who is, at best, on a par with Elphick (given age, fitness, etc). If Collins joins it's just a case of churn for the sake of churn, which is just what Bruce does with transfers.
Agree with Chris. It's not that he's let Elphick go, for me it's that he let him go without having someone lined up to come in.
not just someone lined up, someone better. If Terry had arrived within a day or 2 I don't think anyone would have a problem but it's 3 weeks later and we're being linked with a player who is, at best, on a par with Elphick (given age, fitness, etc). If Collins joins it's just a case of churn for the sake of churn, which is just what Bruce does with transfers.
Agree with Chris. It's not that he's let Elphick go, for me it's that he let him go without having someone lined up to come in.
not just someone lined up, someone better. If Terry had arrived within a day or 2 I don't think anyone would have a problem but it's 3 weeks later and we're being linked with a player who is, at best, on a par with Elphick (given age, fitness, etc). If Collins joins it's just a case of churn for the sake of churn, which is just what Bruce does with transfers.
Not sure about that Paul, as it will be pretty much an emergency measure to cover a key position where we are short. How we ended up being so short in a key position is another matter altogether though.
Steve Bruce has confirmed that Aston Villa are having a look at James Collins with a view to potentially signing the free agent defender.
"James is coming in training with us when he is available," said Bruce.
"He has nicked a hamstring, unfortunately. He has been fit with West Ham and Ipswich so we have invited him up.
"I have known him a long time. We have invited him up to get his hamstring fit and come and train with us and we will take it from there."
I don't deny he's experienced, but he's also never been more than an average defender, is now 35 and has played about 15 games in the last 18 months. Experience can be beneficial but, like Bruce, you're falling into the trap of massively over-valuing it compared to fitness, physique, technical ability and attitude (and also the fact that he acted like a c**t when he was here before). I'd honestly rather we gave Samba another year if we want to sign an old man who can't run as cover.Yeah, fair point. I accept it's a shit option. I guess I'm trying to be glass half full, but am furious the club has allowed us to get into this situation. We can certainly agree in an ideal world Collins wouldn't be anywhere near the club. Hopefully even if he does sign we won't need to play him.
has anyone got a clue about Richards
I mean why are we are scratting about with Collins who's old, hasn't played much lately and isn't very good when
we have a CH we are paying 50/60k a week who would be as good as Collins and imo better but we never hear anything about him
is he injured, outcast, retired, missing, vapourised, kidnapped, dead ?
why don't we know
(Edit, to confirm I don't like or think Richards is much good, but still a better option than Collins if fit, and he's already been paid by us )
How did you manage to revive the Summer 2018 transfer thread? That threw me for a moment.;D ;D ;D
Jack Marriott 1st name on this thread .
Think it's more a case of what might have been for him rather than us .
Christ we were shite.
I quite liked Jack Marriott when he was at Derby. Now playing for Fleetwood.
I have no recollection of Collins coming back at all under Deano, though according to Wikipedia he injured himself in his first training session and that was it.
How did you manage to revive the Summer 2018 transfer thread? That threw me for a moment.
I quite liked Jack Marriott when he was at Derby. Now playing for Fleetwood.
I liked him very much when he came off the bench to sink Leeds in the play off semi final and virtually seal our promotion.