Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on March 24, 2018, 07:28:30 PM
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https://reeshowls.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/efl-attendances-part-5/
NFWF - newly found Wolves fans which made me laugh anyway.
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I love that fact that Morecambe have an average away following of 98. Over a season everyone would get to know each other and it would be like a big gang of mates.
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I love that fact that Morecambe have an average away following of 98. Over a season everyone would get to know each other and it would be like a big gang of mates.
Although it would also be quite entertaining if it was 98 completely different fans at each away game.
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I love that fact that Morecambe have an average away following of 98. Over a season everyone would get to know each other and it would be like a big gang of mates.
Although it would also be quite entertaining if it was 98 completely different fans at each away game.
You mean like Small Heath when they take it in turns covering each other's shifts at the Rover?
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Looking at those stats, it's hard to argue against the fact that Leeds probably have the most loyal fans in the country. Despite being 14 seasons out of the Premier League, they are topping the league for away support and also net home support, in a season, where they are presently lying 14th and 12 points off the play offs.
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Looking at those stats, it's hard to argue against the fact that Leeds probably have the most loyal fans in the country. Despite being 14 seasons out of the Premier League, they are topping the league for away support and also net home support, in a season, where they are presently lying 14th and 12 points off the play offs.
Good shout. Although when they were Champs of England in 1992 they averaged under 30,000. A little like Newcastle, Chelsea and Man City (Yes Leeds do have a consistant hardcore) they seem to have found a huge increase of fans post formation of Premiership.
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Pretty sure they had a reduced capacity due to post-Taylor redevelopment.
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Their home support surged first half of this season as Leeds were going up. Now they're back to being what they've been by and large for half their history.
Big club for sure, but they're a one time club in a huge city in a huge county.
Oh and fuck Leeds.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
Would you say the same happened to Villa during our years without a credible local rival being in our division?
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Made interesting reading thanks for posting.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
Would you say the same happened to Villa during our years without a credible local rival being in our division?
The fact that we didn't permanently blow away every club within fifty miles is still, to my mind, our biggest failing.
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I know that there are a lot of Midlands club etc, but with the size of the population it's always surprised me that Villa have struggled to fill the ground more often over the last four decades.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
I live in West Yorkshire (though an Erdington boy at heart) and tend to agree. It has been Leeds or no-one for many years until some folk decided they had always supported Huddersfield. A few poor souls were Manchester United fans though tended to mutter it quietly.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
Would you say the same happened to Villa during our years without a credible local rival being in our division?
I think each Midland club has it's own areas of support. Without being an expert on Yorkshire I would guess there are towns and villages which don't identify with one particular team and fans from there have probably latched on to a local club like Leeds or Wednesday.
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Or Liverpool or Manchester United or Manchester City or Arsenal or Spurs or Chelsea....
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
You'd guess wrong. That's like suggesting Liverpudlians would support Manchester Utd if Liverpool were shit.
Sheffield supporters all hate Leeds. In fact most people hate Leeds. They get the crowds they do because they are in a one club city.
Sure back in the day they picked up some fans because if their success but I've genuinely not met a Leeds fan in Sheffield in the 15 years I've been here.
Harrogate had some, which is understandable, but even then there were more Liverpool and Manchester United fans. Bradford and Huddersfield have quite a few I guess. Someone in West Yorkshire would tell you better.
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
I have met a few over the years, admittedly not many. But they have tended to be second generation Leeds fans influenced by glory hunting fathers who latched onto Leeds in the late sixties and early seventies. I know two brothers from Kings Heath who were very unsuccessful glory hunters. The younger brother became a Stoke supporter as a young kid when he saw them win the league cup and his older brother had latched on to Manchester City in their successful spell around the turn of the seventies. Obviously the older brother has been happier in recent years.
Sorry, misread your post. I was talking about non Leeds based Leeds fans in general, not ones from other parts of Yorkshire.
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Tom Ross on twitter says Blues have sold out their Bolton away allocation 4800
that’s actually more than we took if correct
Surprising
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They’ve won a game under (another) new dawn. Don’t forget Rover is probably off for Easter so none of them on permanents days and nights at the same time.
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They did a big online push for this game across forums etc. Probably because they want another letter from that Bolton fan.
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
I know one from Hebdon Bridge. She doesn't care much though.
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Bit embarrassing Bolton doing kids for a quid just so they’re not outnumbered though.
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
I know one from Hebdon Bridge. She doesn't care much though.
Is she dirty?
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
There's loads in North Yorkshire as far as Richmond, York to the north east and down to Scunthorpe (Lincolnshire), everywhere north of Doncaster and Barnsley, over to Huddlesfield and up to Skipton. As a Metropolitan area Leeds is the third biggest city in the UK.
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Like you I can’t ever remember meeting any non Leeds based Yorkshire Leeds fans.
I know one from Hebdon Bridge. She doesn't care much though.
Is she dirty?
I've been unable to find out.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
Would you say the same happened to Villa during our years without a credible local rival being in our division?
I think each Midland club has it's own areas of support. Without being an expert on Yorkshire I would guess there are towns and villages which don't identify with one particular team and fans from there have probably latched on to a local club like Leeds or Wednesday.
Huddersfield, Bradford and Leeds, Barnsley, Sheffield and their nearby villages are strongholds of their own local teams. Outside their areas you're right, I reckon there's a split between gloryhunters and three clubs - in West Yorkshire it tends to be Leeds, South Yorkshire mostly one of the Sheffields. One thing for sure, most other clubs' fans can't stand Leeds. I even know some blokes who even refuse to shop there, out of principle.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
You'd guess wrong. That's like suggesting Liverpudlians would support Manchester Utd if Liverpool were shit.
Sheffield supporters all hate Leeds. In fact most people hate Leeds. They get the crowds they do because they are in a one club city.
Sure back in the day they picked up some fans because if their success but I've genuinely not met a Leeds fan in Sheffield in the 15 years I've been here.
Harrogate had some, which is understandable, but even then there were more Liverpool and Manchester United fans. Bradford and Huddersfield have quite a few I guess. Someone in West Yorkshire would tell you better.
I don't know about Bradford, but in 20 years living in Huddersfield I've only known a handful. To support Leeds here is stigmatised. I'd guess the 'border' for this is around Dewsbury/Batley way.
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My brother-in-law was in Doncaster for a few years and there were loads of Leeds there at the time, was just after the bubble burst so it might have been gloryhunters who were hanging on.
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I grew up in a town in north Yorkshire, there were far more Boro fans at my school than Leeds.
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I've only ever known one bloke from Leeds. Strangely he was a Villa fan despite never lives anywhere near Birmingham.
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I've only ever known one bloke from Leeds. Strangely he was a Villa fan despite never lives anywhere near Birmingham.
Glory-hunter. I bet he's about 110.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
You'd guess wrong. That's like suggesting Liverpudlians would support Manchester Utd if Liverpool were shit.
Sheffield supporters all hate Leeds. In fact most people hate Leeds. They get the crowds they do because they are in a one club city.
Sure back in the day they picked up some fans because if their success but I've genuinely not met a Leeds fan in Sheffield in the 15 years I've been here.
Harrogate had some, which is understandable, but even then there were more Liverpool and Manchester United fans. Bradford and Huddersfield have quite a few I guess. Someone in West Yorkshire would tell you better.
I don't know about Bradford, but in 20 years living in Huddersfield I've only known a handful. To support Leeds here is stigmatised. I'd guess the 'border' for this is around Dewsbury/Batley way.
Yep that area is pretty much split three ways, Leeds probably have the biggest lump with Huddersfield obviously growing the last couple of years and then Bradford. The thing about Leeds fans is they shout about their allegiance as they are generally arrogant bas***ds.
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When I lived abroad I worked for a while with a Sheffield United fan from Pontefract. His claims to fame were that he had played for Frickley Athletic and was big mates with actors Sean Bean and Chris Walker*.
*The Manageress, Corrie, Doctors and the patient in the "There May Be Trouble Ahead" advert.
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Another thing to factor in was that Rugby League was a big attraction back in the 60`s and 70`s
With Leeds, Castleford and Bradford having reasonable attendances - this sport was well supported by those from the Colliery towns and villages in Yorkshire
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My eldest Brother is a Leeds fans, from the glory hunting days. Doubt he's ever seen them live either. times I've been to Villa v Leeds games he was always 'busy' doing nothing in particular.
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Met 2 people from Sheffield who support Leeds.
However the may other dozens I have met are either Wednesday or United
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
You'd guess wrong. That's like suggesting Liverpudlians would support Manchester Utd if Liverpool were shit.
Sheffield supporters all hate Leeds. In fact most people hate Leeds. They get the crowds they do because they are in a one club city.
Sure back in the day they picked up some fans because if their success but I've genuinely not met a Leeds fan in Sheffield in the 15 years I've been here.
Harrogate had some, which is understandable, but even then there were more Liverpool and Manchester United fans. Bradford and Huddersfield have quite a few I guess. Someone in West Yorkshire would tell you better.
I don't know about Bradford, but in 20 years living in Huddersfield I've only known a handful. To support Leeds here is stigmatised. I'd guess the 'border' for this is around Dewsbury/Batley way.
Yep that area is pretty much split three ways, Leeds probably have the biggest lump with Huddersfield obviously growing the last couple of years and then Bradford. The thing about Leeds fans is they shout about their allegiance as they are generally arrogant bas***ds.
I've been here nearly 20 years. In that time Huddersfield's attendances have fluctuated between 10 and 15 thousand. This season it's 20,000 sellouts all season. Not bad for a place with a population of 150,000. Imagine the crowds if that proportion of Brummies went to the football.
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As well as being big and having some success in the late sixties and early seventies Leeds were the only top flight Yorkshire club for over a decade. Sheffield United and Huddersfield went down in the early seventies and Sheffield Wednesday spent the entire seventies and first half of the eighties in the second and third divisions. I would guess that all the floating fans from various parts of Yorkshire latched on to Leeds.
You'd guess wrong. That's like suggesting Liverpudlians would support Manchester Utd if Liverpool were shit.
Sheffield supporters all hate Leeds. In fact most people hate Leeds. They get the crowds they do because they are in a one club city.
Sure back in the day they picked up some fans because if their success but I've genuinely not met a Leeds fan in Sheffield in the 15 years I've been here.
Harrogate had some, which is understandable, but even then there were more Liverpool and Manchester United fans. Bradford and Huddersfield have quite a few I guess. Someone in West Yorkshire would tell you better.
I don't know about Bradford, but in 20 years living in Huddersfield I've only known a handful. To support Leeds here is stigmatised. I'd guess the 'border' for this is around Dewsbury/Batley way.
Yep that area is pretty much split three ways, Leeds probably have the biggest lump with Huddersfield obviously growing the last couple of years and then Bradford. The thing about Leeds fans is they shout about their allegiance as they are generally arrogant bas***ds.
I've been here nearly 20 years. In that time Huddersfield's attendances have fluctuated between 10 and 15 thousand. This season it's 20,000 sellouts all season. Not bad for a place with a population of 150,000. Imagine the crowds if that proportion of Brummies went to the football.
That's an easy arguement to make, as they are the only club within the urban area and are getting bigger crowds due to recent success. Dont forget Burnley are getting 20,000 crowds with half the population of Huddersfield.
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It's incredible how many people in place like Huddersfied (or Reading, Swansea, Norwich...) suddenly realise that the big building on the other side of the town is a football ground when they get into the Premier League.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
But have they won the Atari 6-aside?
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There have been a number of periods in living memory when we could and should have acted like a big club.
Somehow we have allways contrived to be the nearly men of English football.
Sad really.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
Tractor shagging,serial killing and visiting carveries on a Sunday.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
I know a cracking Owl Sanctuary.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
I know a cracking Owl Sanctuary.
Made me loff out loud.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
I have always thought that Norwich punched their relatively small/medium sized weight when it came to attendances. They seem to have a solid hardcore of a decent amount. If anything Ipswich attendances appear to be more up and down and their fans more fickle.
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
I know a cracking Owl Sanctuary.
Far better than the Gibbon Reserve.
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It's incredible how many people in place like Huddersfied (or Reading, Swansea, Norwich...) suddenly realise that the big building on the other side of the town is a football ground when they get into the Premier League.
Not sure that's fair here Dave. Sure, the PL has boosted attendances, but Hudds were pulling in 15,000 in the third division not so long ago. There's been a solid core of support for a long time.
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They were pulling less than 10K a decade ago. They averaged 14K when going for promotion in Division 3. 2 years ago they were at less than 13k in division 2. Last season was the first time they've averaged over 15K since 1972.
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Looks like Leeds have thrown down the gauntlet o us. Over 35k there today. That's impressive.
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Looks like Leeds have thrown down the gauntlet o us. Over 35k there today. That's impressive.
Not really. https://throughitalltogether.sbnation.com/2018/3/14/17120894/leeds-united-are-sort-of-giving-away-free-tickets-to-the-bolton-wanderers-match
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Norwich have (or did when I lived there in the early-mid noughties) the highest attendance Vs capacity ratio in the country, including time spent in this league.
What else is there to do in Norwich though?!
Its why they can charge so much too.
Norwich is the UK's best kept secret for arty twats like me.