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Title: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 02, 2018, 03:09:32 PM
Tuesday 6th March 7.45pm

Initial allocation 3000

Adults £25
Over 65 £19
Under 22 £16
Under 16 £10

On sale Monday to s/t holders with 12+ away games
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2018, 03:10:09 PM
Good prices that. Are we on the box?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 02, 2018, 03:14:19 PM
No, not yet anyway. There are Champions League games that night but no Championship game, Leeds are on on the Wednesday.

Never known the allocation be more than 3000 there in the league, wonder how many tickets they would allow? Can't see us needing more than 3000 on a Tuesday night though.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2018, 03:21:27 PM
I wouldn't have thought more than 3000 as that is all the upper tier. Maybe they'd give you extra going round a corner?

Think this should be treated as European style away game. Everybody up the Gerodie land the night before, then Metro into Sunderland for an 11am start.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2018, 03:37:55 PM
Can't be arsed with a Tuesday night away so if anyone wants two references with plenty of aways on, give me a shout.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2018, 08:39:32 PM
Initial allocation, blimey imagine taking 5k there on a Tuesday night!

I would be up there if it was a Saturday and I don't go to many aways lately.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
Come on you fuckers I'll drive you. I have an SUV so loads of room, it will be an exquisite indie fest and rock of musical delights and I drive terrifyingly quick. Be a riot.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 03, 2018, 09:22:31 AM
Come on you fuckers I'll drive you. I have an SUV so loads of room, it will be an exquisite indie fest and rock of musical delights and I drive terrifyingly quick. Be a riot.

I’m in, providing you stop for a piss every hour
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Holte L2 on February 03, 2018, 01:50:17 PM
Will have 2 references going spare for this. Both with every Away game on.

PM for details.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: nevillain on February 03, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
Come on and experience some quality north east hospitality
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 04, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 04, 2018, 09:43:11 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)

Went on a stag do in Newcastle 18 months back. Sunderland-Arsenal was next day so thought I'd pop along to that. Nice ground but Sunderland must be one of the worst town centres in the U.K, the big Poundland that had just opened was easily the most impressive shop on the high street.

There's a few standard pubs around like Wetherspoons and Yates but they were mostly home fans. There was also a pub just off the ring road called the I.S.....

It's better to drink in Newcastle and get the Metro to the ground. Takes 20 minutes from Newcastle central.

Durham isn't too far away either if you have a car.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 04, 2018, 10:16:25 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)

Went on a stag do in Newcastle 18 months back. Sunderland-Arsenal was next day so thought I'd pop along to that. Nice ground but Sunderland must be one of the worst town centres in the U.K, the big Poundland that had just opened was easily the most impressive shop on the high street.

There's a few standard pubs around like Wetherspoons and Yates but they were mostly home fans. There was also a pub just off the ring road called the I.S.....

It's better to drink in Newcastle and get the Metro to the ground. Takes 20 minutes from Newcastle central.

Durham isn't too far away either if you have a car.

Cheers for that - Yes, I'd considered Durham. Like many away grounds, the choice of pubs isn't great. I generally prefer a stop off before reaching the ground/town. I'm not sure how I'm going yet and if it's on a coach then the decision will be taken from me. However, if it's by car then Durham is most likely.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Holte L2 on February 04, 2018, 11:22:44 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)

Went on a stag do in Newcastle 18 months back. Sunderland-Arsenal was next day so thought I'd pop along to that. Nice ground but Sunderland must be one of the worst town centres in the U.K, the big Poundland that had just opened was easily the most impressive shop on the high street.

There's a few standard pubs around like Wetherspoons and Yates but they were mostly home fans. There was also a pub just off the ring road called the I.S.....

It's better to drink in Newcastle and get the Metro to the ground. Takes 20 minutes from Newcastle central.

Durham isn't too far away either if you have a car.

Cheers for that - Yes, I'd considered Durham. Like many away grounds, the choice of pubs isn't great. I generally prefer a stop off before reaching the ground/town. I'm not sure how I'm going yet and if it's on a coach then the decision will be taken from me. However, if it's by car then Durham is most likely.

Get yourself to East Bolden. Few pubs there, you can park up and jump on the tram. 10 mins from the ground.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 04, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
You won't believe this but many, many moons ago, I met a couple of lads from East Bolden on holiday and ended up stopping the night there when we played them (it was the year we won the league)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Holte L2 on February 05, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
You won't believe this but many, many moons ago, I met a couple of lads from East Bolden on holiday and ended up stopping the night there when we played them (it was the year we won the league)

Haha, funny how things work out.  There's a car park at East Bolden Metrolink. Takes 10 minutes to get to the ground from there.

There's a pub opposite the tram stop called the Beggars Bridge.  And there's another two within a five minute walk - The Grey Horse and The Black Bull.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: carl9368 on February 05, 2018, 10:52:54 AM
Got 4 refs with all aways on if anyone needs them
Pm if needed
Cheers carl
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 11:43:51 AM
I doubt anyone is going to need any references for this game to be honest.

References haven't been needed for Fulham which is one of the most popular aways of the season, is on a Saturday and which 4,000 tickets have been allocated. Most away games usually go down to season ticket holders with no aways so there is normally enough tickets to go round.

It doesn't look like we'll shift 3,000 for Sunderland on a Tuesday night which is very disappointing, given our form and what is a stake this season. If the roles were reversed, I'd wager Sunderland would sell out in the blink of an eyelid.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 11:45:06 AM
You won't believe this but many, many moons ago, I met a couple of lads from East Bolden on holiday and ended up stopping the night there when we played them (it was the year we won the league)

Haha, funny how things work out.  There's a car park at East Bolden Metrolink. Takes 10 minutes to get to the ground from there.

There's a pub opposite the tram stop called the Beggars Bridge.  And there's another two within a five minute walk - The Grey Horse and The Black Bull.

Cheers for that - It's a good shout.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
Sunderland haven't sold out at Villa Park in years.

Lets wait and see what happens when they actually go on sale before we start complaining.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 05, 2018, 11:52:11 AM
Before complaining about the number of tickets we sell for a midweek game just outside the Arctic Circle, bear in mind how much it costs to go away and remember that sometimes in this league it's twice a week.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 12:04:45 PM
Being disappointed is hardly complaining. Furthermore, you, yourself have waxed lyrical about how good our away support has been over the past few years (which it has).

However, your comment on the "Arctic Circle" just about sums our attitude towards a trip to Sunderland. For their fans, our ground is a run of the mill away game. To us it's a trip to the Arctic Circle.

I'd wager that Leeds would sell out on a Tuesday night for a game 200 miles away from leeds. I find it disappointing that we likely won't do the same, given our position.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
Sunderland haven't sold out at Villa Park in years.

Lets wait and see what happens when they actually go on sale before we start complaining.

I said in the same position as us, not what they've done in the past few years.

I agree we should wait and see but as I previously stated, I am not complaining.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2018, 01:25:51 PM
I doubt anyone is going to need any references for this game to be honest.

References haven't been needed for Fulham which is one of the most popular aways of the season, is on a Saturday and which 4,000 tickets have been allocated. Most away games usually go down to season ticket holders with no aways so there is normally enough tickets to go round.

It doesn't look like we'll shift 3,000 for Sunderland on a Tuesday night which is very disappointing, given our form and what is a stake this season. If the roles were reversed, I'd wager Sunderland would sell out in the blink of an eyelid.

Not shifting 3,000 tickets for a midweek trip to Sunderland is fine and totally understandable. Not everyone is in a position to do it.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 04:07:54 PM
It might well be fine for you. However, for me, I find it disappointing given our league position.

I haven't just fallen out of the sky. I am fully aware of all of the cons that a midweek trip to Sunderland would bring. The fact remains that we've shown that we can take 3,000+ away in midweek as recently as last season with the trips to Brighton and Barnsley. All the cons in the world would not stop a football fan travelling if (s)he really wanted to.

I can't help but feel if Sunderland, Leeds or even Sheffield Wednesday were in our position, they would sell out a 3,000 allocation that is 200 miles away.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Sheffield Wednesday who took 1200 to Boro the other day?

Why are you disappointed over something that hasn't happened?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 04:23:24 PM
Sheffield Wednesday who took 1200 to Boro the other day?

Why are you disappointed over something that hasn't happened?

Again, you fail to understand the difference between "the other day" and "being in our position".

I'm not sure you actually read my original post but I said "it looks likely" and that is what I found disappointing.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: andrew08 on February 05, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
We’ll take 3000 to Sunderland if we’re still in the top 3. Although that perception is true about people thinking Sunderland is just south of Aberdeen yet Crystal Palace on a Tuesday is far harder to get to yet we sold that out last time I went there mid week (when Benteke scored)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 05, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
We don't travel brilliantly to the North East generally. We rarely took more than 2000 to Newcastle yet they would bring 3000 here almost every time. I've been part of a following of about 900 at Sunderland and the only time we took a decent following there was 2500+ in the cup with free travel, until our relegation season when we somehow took 3000. If we're still in the top 2/3 when we play them we should take 3k, no excuses.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
Sheffield Wednesday who took 1200 to Boro the other day?

Why are you disappointed over something that hasn't happened?

Again, you fail to understand the difference between "the other day" and "being in our position".

I'm not sure you actually read my original post but I said "it looks likely" and that is what I found disappointing.

They've been on sale 8 minutes and only to 12+ and the away scheme. Why does it look likely?

Andrew I think it's because it's such a dull drive. Once you're on the M1 it's never ending. I live 30 miles closer but it seems nowhere near as far because of the M62/M60/M62/M1/A1 at before you get there breaks it up a bit.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2018, 05:19:39 PM
It might well be fine for you. However, for me, I find it disappointing given our league position.

I haven't just fallen out of the sky. I am fully aware of all of the cons that a midweek trip to Sunderland would bring. The fact remains that we've shown that we can take 3,000+ away in midweek as recently as last season with the trips to Brighton and Barnsley. All the cons in the world would not stop a football fan travelling if (s)he really wanted to.

I can't help but feel if Sunderland, Leeds or even Sheffield Wednesday were in our position, they would sell out a 3,000 allocation that is 200 miles away.

It's absolutely fine. It's a Tuesday night, there's money to be found for tickets and travel and time off work has to be booked plus the added fact of not getting back until half one-two in the morning and having to get up for work 4 hours later so if we don't sell what we normally for me it's not a problem in the slightest.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 05:42:47 PM
It might well be fine for you. However, for me, I find it disappointing given our league position.

I haven't just fallen out of the sky. I am fully aware of all of the cons that a midweek trip to Sunderland would bring. The fact remains that we've shown that we can take 3,000+ away in midweek as recently as last season with the trips to Brighton and Barnsley. All the cons in the world would not stop a football fan travelling if (s)he really wanted to.

I can't help but feel if Sunderland, Leeds or even Sheffield Wednesday were in our position, they would sell out a 3,000 allocation that is 200 miles away.

It's absolutely fine. It's a Tuesday night, there's money to be found for tickets and travel and time off work has to be booked plus the added fact of not getting back until half one-two in the morning and having to get up for work 4 hours later so if we don't sell what we normally for me it's not a problem in the slightest.

We're selling out nearly every away game - People seem to be finding the money for tickets and travel easily enough. I can't imagine many people would miss a Villa game on the basis that it meant a late night. I'll give you time off work being a factor but as stated previously, it wasn't a problem for Brighton and Barnsley last season.

I haven't said that it will be a problem if we don't sell out. I simply stated I will be disappointed if we don't. Why are you continuing with this? You have your opinion and I have mine - We're never going to change each others are we?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
Have you got your ticket yet? They've been on sale 46 minutes...
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 05:49:27 PM
Have you got your ticket yet? They've been on sale 46 minutes...

Oh give it a rest sonny please.

I'm sorry if I've upset you by mot saying that our fans are the best in the world but hey ho. Life can be a bitch at times can't it?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
You've not upset me. I'm just curious as to why you're disappointed we've not sold out yet despite them being on sale for an age. Or likely to sell out apparently with the game a month away.

Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

I take that as a no then. Part timer. Leeds would have taken more.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 06:03:57 PM
Mate - I'm not really sure why this has developed into such a big thing. I made what I thought was a completely innocent and innocuous remark about being disappointed if we fail to sell out. I agreed with you that we should wait and see whether we do or not. If we do then great, if we don't then I'll be disappointed (as I am on every occasion that we fail to sell out).

I'm not claiming to be a superfan and don't do every away game. This doesn't stop me being disappointed when we don't sell out though.

With regards Sunderland tickets, no I haven't bought mine yet. I don't even know who I'm going with at this stage because the guys I usually go with aren't going to this one. I will make a decision on who I go with on Sunday at the Blues game and get my Sunderland ticket with them on Monday.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
It might well be fine for you. However, for me, I find it disappointing given our league position.

I haven't just fallen out of the sky. I am fully aware of all of the cons that a midweek trip to Sunderland would bring. The fact remains that we've shown that we can take 3,000+ away in midweek as recently as last season with the trips to Brighton and Barnsley. All the cons in the world would not stop a football fan travelling if (s)he really wanted to.

I can't help but feel if Sunderland, Leeds or even Sheffield Wednesday were in our position, they would sell out a 3,000 allocation that is 200 miles away.

It's absolutely fine. It's a Tuesday night, there's money to be found for tickets and travel and time off work has to be booked plus the added fact of not getting back until half one-two in the morning and having to get up for work 4 hours later so if we don't sell what we normally for me it's not a problem in the slightest.

We're selling out nearly every away game - People seem to be finding the money for tickets and travel easily enough. I can't imagine many people would miss a Villa game on the basis that it meant a late night. I'll give you time off work being a factor but as stated previously, it wasn't a problem for Brighton and Barnsley last season.

I haven't said that it will be a problem if we don't sell out. I simply stated I will be disappointed if we don't. Why are you continuing with this? You have your opinion and I have mine - We're never going to change each others are we?

No. If you're disappointed then fine. I won't be disappointed in the slightest and that's fine as well.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 05, 2018, 09:46:06 PM
I'm disappointed that Clampy isn't disappointed.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 09:47:04 PM
I'm heartbroken.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
Sorry to butt in here but can I reserve a place in the queue if a spare crops up.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: carl9368 on February 06, 2018, 11:23:01 PM
Sent you a pm
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 06, 2018, 11:54:38 PM
Sorry to butt in here but can I reserve a place in the queue if a spare crops up.

Peter - Not only are you not butting in on anything but even if you were, there would be no need to apologise.

However, I would urge you not to use another person's client reference for this game. There is no need whatsoever to do so. Sheffield Wednesday, which is a Saturday, half the distance of Sunderland has tickets available to season ticket holders with no previous away games - Sunderland will do so as well and probably go to non-Season ticket holders.

All you are doing by using someone else's client reference is boosting up their history, to give them an unfair advantage over genuine travelers when tickets become more difficult to come by.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Kingthing on February 09, 2018, 05:33:13 PM


I'm Spartacus !
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 09, 2018, 05:50:46 PM


I'm Spartacus !
I'm delighted for you.

Meanwhile, back on topic, just over 1,000 sold with just under a month until the game is played isn't bad going. Fingers crossed we can sell another 2,000
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Comrade Blitz on February 10, 2018, 02:17:48 AM
This is almost as good as Pornhub

I might buy a shitload tickets just so I can see Brassneck blow his load
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 10, 2018, 09:58:03 AM
This is almost as good as Pornhub

I might buy a shitload tickets just so I can see Brassneck blow his load
Now that would be hilarious.

I've read this forum for months if not years and watched the stick that Ads & Quinton get from muppets who for some reason think it funny to ridicule their interest in away followings. I laugh at those muppets because why are they continually on this section if they have no interest in how many we take or how sales are going? Villa themselves update sales to satisfy interest from fans, there are numerous websites throughout the web that are dedicated to away followings.

I can't believe that there are so many boring old farts out there that don't get excited by large away followings. What do they get excited by? A packet of peanuts and a pint of real ale in the Bartons? Then there are the sheep, who join in to try to look clever and be accepted.

Why people think it clever to come on here with pathetic, childish piss takes is beyond me. Haven't these boring old farts got anything better to do? All they are doing is proving the theory that there's life after death.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 10, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
People are boring because they don't get excited by away followings? Really? Now that is funny.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 10, 2018, 10:25:51 AM
People are boring because they don't get excited by away followings? Really? Now that is funny.

Not as funny your flapping last week because your Fulham ticket hadn't arrived, 2 weeks before the game. You even tweeted Villa.

Yes, people are boring because they don't get excited by away followings. ALL passionate fans that I know take an interest in how many we take to games. Only lifeless, boring old farts don't seem to get motivated.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 10, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
People are boring because they don't get excited by away followings? Really? Now that is funny.

Not as funny your flapping last week because your Fulham ticket hadn't arrived, 2 weeks before the game. You even tweeted Villa.


Oh dear, how creepy.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 10, 2018, 10:40:13 AM
This is almost as good as Pornhub

I might buy a shitload tickets just so I can see Brassneck blow his load
Now that would be hilarious.

I've read this forum for months if not years and watched the stick that Ads & Quinton get from muppets who for some reason think it funny to ridicule their interest in away followings. I laugh at those muppets because why are they continually on this section if they have no interest in how many we take or how sales are going? Villa themselves update sales to satisfy interest from fans, there are numerous websites throughout the web that are dedicated to away followings.

I can't believe that there are so many boring old farts out there that don't get excited by large away followings. What do they get excited by? A packet of peanuts and a pint of real ale in the Bartons? Then there are the sheep, who join in to try to look clever and be accepted.

Why people think it clever to come on here with pathetic, childish piss takes is beyond me. Haven't these boring old farts got anything better to do? All they are doing is proving the theory that there's life after death.

What I find funny, or rather mildly amusing, is the number of new posters who have a strangely extensive knowledge of this site, which they'd never bothered to join until recently, and how their posts start off as innocuous then gradually get more confrontational. Then they start talking about cliques and followers and sheep.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 10, 2018, 10:48:41 AM
This is almost as good as Pornhub

I might buy a shitload tickets just so I can see Brassneck blow his load
Now that would be hilarious.

I've read this forum for months if not years and watched the stick that Ads & Quinton get from muppets who for some reason think it funny to ridicule their interest in away followings. I laugh at those muppets because why are they continually on this section if they have no interest in how many we take or how sales are going? Villa themselves update sales to satisfy interest from fans, there are numerous websites throughout the web that are dedicated to away followings.

I can't believe that there are so many boring old farts out there that don't get excited by large away followings. What do they get excited by? A packet of peanuts and a pint of real ale in the Bartons? Then there are the sheep, who join in to try to look clever and be accepted.

Why people think it clever to come on here with pathetic, childish piss takes is beyond me. Haven't these boring old farts got anything better to do? All they are doing is proving the theory that there's life after death.

What I find funny, or rather mildly amusing, is the number of new posters who have a strangely extensive knowledge of this site, which they'd never bothered to join until recently, and how their posts start off as innocuous then gradually get more confrontational. Then they start talking about cliques and followers and sheep.

I don't seek confrontation with anyone, especially fellow Villa fans. However, I will respond if someone chooses to attempt or mock me. The internet is full of idiots who seek to portray themselves as the epitome of intelligence, usually at the expense of others - It isn't exclusive to this forum or football forums in general. I find it quite distasteful that people can be so nasty towards someone who (as you say) is making an innocuous post. Is it really doing harm to anyone to discus the amount of fans we're taking to games? It seems to me like this has become some kind of bandwagon to jump on, in order to display the "Look at me, I'm very clever, I don't get giddy about our away support" nonsense.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 10, 2018, 10:52:21 AM
You did say people who don't get excited about large away followings were 'boring old farts'. Are you not mocking them as well?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 10, 2018, 10:56:15 AM
You did say people who don't get excited about large away followings were 'boring old farts'. Are you not mocking them as well?

I would have kept that opinion to myself had they not started. I want to talk about the Villa, not be insulted or have my posts dissected for faults (as has happened several times this week).  I am not causing anyone any harm by discussing away followings.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 12, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
If you are really that thin-skinned maybe a internet football forum isn't for you?
We regularly take the piss out of all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, don't think you are special or that you are being picked on.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 12, 2018, 12:10:45 PM
The first mistake you made was to think that I'm bothered by what somebody posts on an internet forum.

The second mistake you made was to think I'm interested in who you "take the piss out of" (you little tinkers)

The last mistake you made was to suggest that I think I'm something special.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 12, 2018, 12:12:15 PM
We should sell tickets for this thread
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Comrade Blitz on February 12, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
"Don't rake up my mistakes, I know exactly what they are..."

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Kingthing on February 13, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ayup on February 13, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)

One minute you don’t know where to find a suitable pub, then you are criticising fans for not going.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 13, 2018, 10:17:18 PM
Looking forward to it.

Any pre-match drinking recommendations?

I prefer a decent pub a bit away from the ground, quiet that does food (don't want much do I?)

One minute you don’t know where to find a suitable pub, then you are criticising fans for not going.

Is there a connection between the two? Or a significance?

And for the umpteenth time for those who have difficulty in reading: I have not criticised our fans. I have stated that I will be disappointed if we don't sell out.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 13, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
If we sell 3k for Sunderland on a Tuesday night in March it’ll be incredible, however I really don’t think we will.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 13, 2018, 10:40:00 PM
If we sell 3k for Sunderland on a Tuesday night in March it’ll be incredible, however I really don’t think we will.

Me neither - We're currently on around 1100 with it down to season ticket holders with 1 away. There's a good 3.5 weeks until we play the game and that figure should double in that time. I think with so many going to Fulham and Sheff Wed beforehand, Sunderland will be the one that everyone chooses to skip.

On a positive, we did take a large following up there for a night game about 10 years ago when Lerner laid on free coaches, so it can be done. We also took 3000 to Brighton for a night game last season which is more or less the same distance.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 13, 2018, 11:14:19 PM
Brighton was a Friday night, so plenty will have just booked a day off and had a weekend at the seaside. Different to expecting people to take two days off for the joys of Sunderland in February.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 13, 2018, 11:22:28 PM
Brighton was a Friday night, so plenty will have just booked a day off and had a weekend at the seaside. Different to expecting people to take two days off for the joys of Sunderland in February.

Sunderland is in March and I don't recall anyone stating that they expected fans to take 2 days off. Why would they need 2 days off anyway? They'd be home for 2ish. It would just mean a late night.

And if these people can afford a weekend in Brighton for a football match then surely they can afford a trip to Sunderland? (which actually works out cheaper than Fulham on Saturday)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 14, 2018, 12:31:42 AM
Because Sunderland is a shit day out whereas Brighton/London are actually enjoyable? It isn't that difficult. And not everyone drives, it's two days off if you're reliant on public transport.

Friday night games at the seaside are, obviously, more appealing than those played on Tuesday nights in a grim wasteland miles from anywhere, and weekend games allowing opportunity to travel to and from a venue without spending money on accommodation or taking time off work are more attractive still.

This isn't complicated, fucking Hell.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2018, 06:43:38 AM
Brighton was a Friday night, so plenty will have just booked a day off and had a weekend at the seaside. Different to expecting people to take two days off for the joys of Sunderland in February.

That's what we did for Brighton

As for Sunderland, the thought of getting in for 2am and getting up for work at 6am won't appeal to everybody. It's not always about the money.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Because Sunderland is a shit day out whereas Brighton/London are actually enjoyable? It isn't that difficult. And not everyone drives, it's two days off if you're reliant on public transport.

Friday night games at the seaside are, obviously, more appealing than those played on Tuesday nights in a grim wasteland miles from anywhere, and weekend games allowing opportunity to travel to and from a venue without spending money on accommodation or taking time off work are more attractive still.

This isn't complicated, fucking Hell.

How can Sunderland be a shit day out? You can stop off in Osmotherly at the top of the North York Moors and drink in a beautiful village for example. The Stadium of Light is a fantastic stadium and knocks spots off Brighton's. Most go to watch the Villa anyway, regardless of what the town or city is like that we are playing in.

I think you summed it up far better with your original post on this thread at Reply #4:

"Can't be arsed with a Tuesday night away"

You still wouldn't have minded some sucker bumping up your away record though would you?

Ultimately, each person has a right to make their own decisions on when and where they travel. I would hope that there will be 3,000 out there among our support that can be arsed, can afford it and don't have to get up at 6 the next morning (and even some who would travel despite having to get up at 6 the next morning). We'll have to wait and see.

 
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
I often use references from season ticket holders on here to get away tickets ( to supplement the meagre offering that the London Lions get from the club). I don't see myself as a sucker though, it's more a case of quid pro quo and I'm very grateful. They know who they are and they do a great service

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
I often use references from season ticket holders on here to get away tickets ( to supplement the meagre offering that the London Lions get from the club). I don't see myself as a sucker though, it's more a case of quid pro quo and I'm very grateful. They know who they are and they do a great service

Anyone who uses a reference for Sunderland is a sucker though. It will go to general sale and most on here claim it isn't even going to sell out.

Why the need to be exploited to the detriment of your own client history just to boost someone elses?

Morally, the using of someone elses reference is wrong anyway because in games of high demand, it is depriving someone of a ticket who has traveled to more away games. Ideally, I would like the club to provide a facility where whoever is in physical possession of the match ticket can have that ticket allotted to their own history. There's no point in having a reference system if it isn't worked properly and people like you will always miss out on games with high demands because the fat cat who has fed you references all season will want to venture to the big game himself.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 14, 2018, 10:43:43 AM
I'm quite happy for people I know, in real life and on here, to use my references. Especially if they might not otherwise be able to get a ticket. It's hardly to the detriment of other fans as it's a game we won't sell out, anyway. Given that it's far away, on a Tuesday night, and in a rubbish city full of Matalans.

You don't like it, I've lost interest.

I assume you won't be doing the driving after stopping off in a beautiful village for a drink?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 10:52:17 AM
I'm quite happy for people I know, in real life and on here, to use my references. Especially if they might not otherwise be able to get a ticket. It's hardly to the detriment of other fans as it's a game we won't sell out, anyway. Given that it's far away, on a Tuesday night, and in a rubbish city full of Matalans.

You don't like it, I've lost interest.

I assume you won't be doing the driving after stopping off in a beautiful village for a drink?

Of course it's to the detriment of other fans. Why would they need to use your reference when they could get it recorded on their own history? You certainly seem keen enough to get your history boosted (falsely) - Why shouldn't others do the same? You made no reference in your post to knowing the person either. It was an open invitation to the whole board.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to need references for these games. Loads go to general sale and if they don't reach general sale, 1 away is almost always enough to guarantee you a ticket.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 14, 2018, 10:53:51 AM
One away is not enough to get tickets for several games and I was very grateful for references for a few games last season.

You haven't answered my question about whether you intend to drink and drive?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 10:59:18 AM
One away is not enough to get tickets for several games and I was very grateful for references for a few games last season.

You haven't answered my question about whether you intend to drink and drive?

Your question was a silly one, designed at causing an argument and is not worthy of a response. Other than Burton this season, 1 away has been enough for every away game. Off the top of my head, Cardiff, Reading, Barnsley, Bristol, Preston, Middlesbrough, Sheff Wed, Leeds, Fulham, possibly Sheff U and certainly Sunderland have gone to general sale.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 14, 2018, 11:02:24 AM
Enjoy yourself at Sunderland. Don't kill anyone on the way there or back, please.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 14, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
Five and drive?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
I often use references from season ticket holders on here to get away tickets ( to supplement the meagre offering that the London Lions get from the club). I don't see myself as a sucker though, it's more a case of quid pro quo and I'm very grateful. They know who they are and they do a great service

Anyone who uses a reference for Sunderland is a sucker though. It will go to general sale and most on here claim it isn't even going to sell out.

Why the need to be exploited to the detriment of your own client history just to boost someone elses?

Morally, the using of someone elses reference is wrong anyway because in games of high demand, it is depriving someone of a ticket who has traveled to more away games. Ideally, I would like the club to provide a facility where whoever is in physical possession of the match ticket can have that ticket allotted to their own history. There's no point in having a reference system if it isn't worked properly and people like you will always miss out on games with high demands because the fat cat who has fed you references all season will want to venture to the big game himself.

I’ve never missed a Villa game I’ve wanted the see
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
I often use references from season ticket holders on here to get away tickets ( to supplement the meagre offering that the London Lions get from the club). I don't see myself as a sucker though, it's more a case of quid pro quo and I'm very grateful. They know who they are and they do a great service

Anyone who uses a reference for Sunderland is a sucker though. It will go to general sale and most on here claim it isn't even going to sell out.

Why the need to be exploited to the detriment of your own client history just to boost someone elses?

Morally, the using of someone elses reference is wrong anyway because in games of high demand, it is depriving someone of a ticket who has traveled to more away games. Ideally, I would like the club to provide a facility where whoever is in physical possession of the match ticket can have that ticket allotted to their own history. There's no point in having a reference system if it isn't worked properly and people like you will always miss out on games with high demands because the fat cat who has fed you references all season will want to venture to the big game himself.

I’ve never missed a Villa game I’ve wanted the see

Nor me, other than Sunderland in 1975 when I was locked out.

If you go to more than 1 away game then there is no need whatsoever for you to rely on other people. You can get these tickets on your own reference - You really don't need to use other peoples. Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Reading were all either general sale or 1 away. I wonder if you'll get Millwall tickets as easily if we need a point to secure 2nd place?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
Thanks for the advice. See you at The Den then
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
Thanks for the advice. See you at The Den then

It's nothing to gloat about pal. If and it's a big if, you do get tickets for the Den, you will be depriving some genuine away fan of a ticket. Are you suggesting that there are people out there who get their client references up to 10+ just so the likes of you can benefit whenever Villa are in London? How very strange.

Reply #4:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=57904.0

Priceless - So much for the super connections.

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
I’ll be there chief, thanks for your concern though
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 12:18:49 PM
QPR  tickets weren’t for me kidda
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 12:19:39 PM
Blues tickets weren’t for me kidda

Re-Read it
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
Anyway, I’ll leave it there. No point getting your tits in a twist my friend
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 12:21:59 PM
Anyway, I’ll leave it there. No point getting your tits in a twist my friend

The only way you'll be there is if you're in with the home fans.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2018, 12:25:52 PM
Anyway, I’ll leave it there. No point getting your tits in a twist my friend

The only way you'll be there is if you're in with the home fans.

Your stay on here will be a lot longer and happier if you stop picking arguments with all and sundry.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
Anyway, I’ll leave it there. No point getting your tits in a twist my friend

The only way you'll be there is if you're in with the home fans.

Your stay on here will be a lot longer and happier if you stop picking arguments with all and sundry.

I think if you re-read the thread, you will see that I have merely responded to people who have dug me out. I have had reprehensible suggestions that I will be drinking and driving at Sunderland, based purely on the fact that I stated you can stop off in a picturesque village. I made no reference to alcohol yet have been told not to kill anyone.

I don't want to argue with anyone and I have certainly not picked an argument with anyone.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
Of course. They all pick arguments with you.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 14, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
I've got 15 aways and only been to 1 in person. I'll come and buy you a pint at The Den.*

*As long as you are not driving...that would be morally wrong.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 02:29:42 PM
I've got 15 aways and only been to 1 in person. I'll come and buy you a pint at The Den.*

*As long as you are not driving...that would be morally wrong.

I promise I won't be driving. You bringing cockney with you? I haven't seen him since the 70s.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: carl9368 on February 14, 2018, 03:00:33 PM
Supply and demand and as long as it’s face value I don’t see a problem
I’ve benefited by getting tickets on here and have also helped a few out all at face value
Sometimes things happen and to have to return tickets to villa can be more hassle than it’s worth as not everyone lives next to villa park
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
Supply and demand and as long as it’s face value I don’t see a problem
I’ve benefited by getting tickets on here and have also helped a few out all at face value
Sometimes things happen and to have to return tickets to villa can be more hassle than it’s worth as not everyone lives next to villa park

But there is no demand for Sunderland. We have about 1900 tickets left and it is down to 1 away.

In the right spirit, it is not a problem. Where I disagree is the constant obsession with bumping up client history. There is one poster who is on here nearly every away thread offering client refs. Also, Sunderland has no need for client refs whatsoever. You have every away game on yours - What difference does it make if you get Sunderland on it or not?

Personally, I'm too old and ugly to be bothered about missing any Villa game these days. However, I do feel for the younger, more enthusiastic fans as I know how much missing a Villa game was to me when I was younger.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: carl9368 on February 14, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
I’ll be at Sunderland but there are others in the away scheme who can’t return tickets
What should they do with them ?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 04:42:53 PM
I’ll be at Sunderland but there are others in the away scheme who can’t return tickets
What should they do with them ?

I'm not on about returning tickets, I'm on about offering references. You offered 4 references, not 4 tickets.

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: carl9368 on February 14, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
Same thing probably didn’t make it that clear
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2018, 05:04:41 PM
Approaching 1000 sold. Would expect there will be 1500-1600 left when it hits general sale a week Friday.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
At the end of the day, people can do what they like with their own references, they pay enough.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 05:22:17 PM
At the end of the day, people can do what they like with their own references, they pay enough.

And indeed they do. However, it is not the club's intention for any Tom Dick and harry to purchase tickets - That's why you need a client reference. This is why people were concerned about the Blues game.

It is for the club to tighten down on the abuse of client refs and this could easily be done by allowing the person who holds the ticket to have the away match attributed to their reference. It would discourage the loaning out of client references.

It would only take one serious incident to happen and the perpetrator not being the person who is registered as purchasing the match ticket for problems to arise for the club.

Not only does it deprive genuine fans from obtaining tickets but it also exposes the club to potential problems if something kicks off.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
But until anything changes, people can do what they like with their refs within reason. I know I will.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
But until anything changes, people can do what they like with their refs within reason. I know I will.

You are actually issued your ticket subject to terms and conditions. The club are also bound by the rules and regulations of the FA.

Are you saying you are happy to ignore these terms, conditions, rules and regulations and put 2 fingers up to the club?

Is running on the pitch OK with you as well? How about away fans sitting in the Hole End?

These restrictions are in place for a reason, good reason at that.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2018, 06:14:27 PM
Comparing running on to the pitch to giving a friend a reference is bit of a lame argument to say the least.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
Comparing running on to the pitch to giving a friend a reference is bit of a lame argument to say the least.

Who compared it to giving a friend a reference? That's the first time you've mentioned that.

So now you're saying that your "doing what you like with references" actually means that you sometimes give it to a friend?

I wish you'd make your mind up.

The fact is, there are conditions that you agreed to adhere to. Your idea of what is within reason is different to the next mans. This is why someone has to stipulate the T&Cs and why they ought to be adhered to. Currently, the T&Cs do not include the phrase "within reason" and you don't know what other peoples "friends" are like do you?

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
Comparing running on to the pitch to giving a friend a reference is bit of a lame argument to say the least.

Who compared it to giving a friend a reference? That's the first time you've mentioned that.

So now you're saying that your "doing what you like with references" actually means that you sometimes give it to a friend?

I wish you'd make your mind up.

The fact is, there are conditions that you agreed to adhere to. Your idea of what is within reason is different to the next mans. This is why someone has to stipulate the T&Cs and why they ought to be adhered to. Currently, the T&Cs do not include the phrase "within reason" and you don't know what other peoples "friends" are like do you?



You did day 'Is running on the pitch ok with you as well' so I presumed you comparing the two.

I'm bored now. It's my reference, I'll do what I like with it. That's something you'll just have to get over, if you can.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 14, 2018, 06:29:00 PM
Comparing running on to the pitch to giving a friend a reference is bit of a lame argument to say the least.

Who compared it to giving a friend a reference? That's the first time you've mentioned that.

So now you're saying that your "doing what you like with references" actually means that you sometimes give it to a friend?

I wish you'd make your mind up.

The fact is, there are conditions that you agreed to adhere to. Your idea of what is within reason is different to the next mans. This is why someone has to stipulate the T&Cs and why they ought to be adhered to. Currently, the T&Cs do not include the phrase "within reason" and you don't know what other peoples "friends" are like do you?



You did day 'Is running on the pitch ok with you as well' so I presumed you comparing the two.

I'm bored now. It's my reference, I'll do what I like with it. That's something you'll just have to get over, if you can.

I'm bored to.

I doubt you actually do anything with your reference anyway.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Can we please bring this to an end now?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 14, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
My reference has fuck all aways on it for this season. I guarantee I will find a Millwall one if needed though. And possibly through here.

(Is first to claim a spare for Millwall).
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: PeterWithe on February 14, 2018, 10:26:46 PM
I’ve received tickets through this site and got tickets for people through this site, as long as they are going or coming to Villa fans I’m not going to worry to much about much beyond that.

It doesn’t take too many posts to decided who you want to help out or not.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ayup on February 15, 2018, 11:13:01 PM
I often use references from season ticket holders on here to get away tickets ( to supplement the meagre offering that the London Lions get from the club). I don't see myself as a sucker though, it's more a case of quid pro quo and I'm very grateful. They know who they are and they do a great service

Anyone who uses a reference for Sunderland is a sucker though. It will go to general sale and most on here claim it isn't even going to sell out.

Why the need to be exploited to the detriment of your own client history just to boost someone elses?

Morally, the using of someone elses reference is wrong anyway because in games of high demand, it is depriving someone of a ticket who has traveled to more away games. Ideally, I would like the club to provide a facility where whoever is in physical possession of the match ticket can have that ticket allotted to their own history. There's no point in having a reference system if it isn't worked properly and people like you will always miss out on games with high demands because the fat cat who has fed you references all season will want to venture to the big game himself.

I’ve never missed a Villa game I’ve wanted the see

Nor me, other than Sunderland in 1975 when I was locked out.

If you go to more than 1 away game then there is no need whatsoever for you to rely on other people. You can get these tickets on your own reference - You really don't need to use other peoples. Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Reading were all either general sale or 1 away. I wonder if you'll get Millwall tickets as easily if we need a point to secure 2nd place?

The turnstiles weren’t all closed at the Sunderland game in 1975. You just had to keep trying to get in.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 15, 2018, 11:17:35 PM
I'm not so sure about that mate - There were 1000s outside, including many Sunderland fans.

I was at the Trinity road side and all of those turnstiles closed at the same time. I walked around to the Witton lane side and they were all shut as well. At that point, Sunderland fans were walking up towards us as their turnstiles had obviously closed a s well.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ayup on February 15, 2018, 11:19:52 PM
Sorry Brassneck, just testing you out. Looks like you are kosher.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 15, 2018, 11:22:51 PM
Sorry Brassneck, just testing you out. Looks like you are kosher.

Phew! Thanks mate. I'll sleep easier now.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ayup on February 15, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
There are a few bullshitters on here, not just newish members. You have to be careful who you are pressed into believing.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 15, 2018, 11:55:51 PM
The turnstiles weren’t all closed at the Sunderland game in 1975. You just had to keep trying to get in.

News to me. First time in 43 years I've heard that story. I know fans that never missed a home game and saw plenty away that season that were locked out.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 16, 2018, 12:01:22 AM
The turnstiles weren’t all closed at the Sunderland game in 1975. You just had to keep trying to get in.

News to me. First time in 43 years I've heard that story. I know fans that never missed a home game and saw plenty away that season that were locked out.

That was me - I missed Portsmouth away in the February and didn't miss another game until Sunderland, last home game. It was my own fault but I was heartbroken at the time.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 16, 2018, 12:05:30 AM
The turnstiles weren’t all closed at the Sunderland game in 1975. You just had to keep trying to get in.

News to me. First time in 43 years I've heard that story. I know fans that never missed a home game and saw plenty away that season that were locked out.

That was me - I missed Portsmouth away in the February and didn't miss another game until Sunderland, last home game. It was my own fault but I was heartbroken at the time.

Yeah, I remember, you sent me a text message.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 16, 2018, 12:11:28 AM
Well done for remembering.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: JD on February 16, 2018, 08:03:51 AM
The last time we won 8 in row was 1974/75 season including Oldham (my first ever Villa game) and Sunderland at home (my second ever Villa game). Brings back great memories and I remember being in the Witton Lane end for both games and being a bit frightened about how many people were there (given I was only a wee boy at this time).   
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 16, 2018, 09:11:06 AM
Allocation now reduced from 3000 to 2793.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 16, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
Allocation now reduced from 3000 to 2793.

Looks like they've taken the front row away. Or if they weren't already selling it, then the second.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2018, 09:48:33 AM
Seems common practice if you're in the upper tier, to rope off a few rows if there is no netting underneath to catch missiles.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 20, 2018, 01:37:35 PM
1200 sold. Will struggle to hit 2000.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 20, 2018, 04:08:34 PM
Disgrace. Worst fans in Britain.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 20, 2018, 04:43:31 PM
1200 sold. Will struggle to hit 2000.
They've taken the entire back row off sale (which is another 200 seats) and also seem to have taken entire half sold blocks off (26,28.38)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 20, 2018, 04:44:45 PM
Disgrace. Worst fans in Britain.

Coming from the person who "couldn't be arsed"

Priceless.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 20, 2018, 04:56:49 PM
You're a bit thick, aren't you?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 20, 2018, 05:00:08 PM
Why's that?

And why the need for a comma after "thick"?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 20, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
I'll leave you to puzzle it out.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 20, 2018, 05:15:03 PM
I'll leave you to puzzle it out.

LOL

A very informative and detailed response.

Thanks for narrowing it down.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2018, 10:18:49 PM
Anyone remember Mr Logic in the Viz?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 23, 2018, 02:31:28 PM
If Villa don't sell out their allocation do they get docked points?

If so, Bruce out.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 23, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
Anyone remember Mr Logic in the Viz?

No but I remember Mr Logic in Viz.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
If Villa don't sell out their allocation do they get docked points?

We get deducted a point for every thousand fans Leeds would have taken. Potential sixty point deduction looming.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 23, 2018, 03:23:04 PM
1275 sold. Shite following that, however anyone wants to dress it up and dig at me for being obsessed  :-*
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 03:34:56 PM
1275 sold. Shite following that, however anyone wants to dress it up and dig at me for being obsessed  :-*

Hopefully that was the figure before they went on general sale last night. All hail the saving grace though - We don't get points deducted for taking such a piss poor following there. (although hopefully it will stop the wankfest over how great our support is)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 03:39:05 PM
1275 sold. Shite following that, however anyone wants to dress it up and dig at me for being obsessed  :-*

Are you going?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 03:45:27 PM
1275 sold. Shite following that, however anyone wants to dress it up and dig at me for being obsessed  :-*

Are you going?

I'm going but I am in a fortunate position that I work from home and only part time at that.

I think you are missing the point. Nobody is claiming to be holier than thou, I myself am anything but. The point is, I would have hoped that out of our support, more would have been keen to have made the effort. People can mock the comparisons to Leeds as much as they like. The bottom line is they would have sold out a 3,000 allocation 200 miles away in our position. Sheffield Wednesday took 1,500+ to Millwall in the week which is a similar distance to Birmingham-Sunderland.

We are very fortunate, I'd go as far as to say spoilt in our location. As a consequence, our fans regularly get the jitters if we are playing more than 2 hours away from home.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 23, 2018, 03:47:16 PM

Hopefully that was the figure before they went on general sale last night. All hail the saving grace though - We don't get points deducted for taking such a piss poor following there. (although hopefully it will stop the wankfest over how great our support is)

I laugh at the 1275 who are so far making the effort to go, embarrassing. In my defence, I can't go because I don't want to.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 03:51:18 PM

Hopefully that was the figure before they went on general sale last night. All hail the saving grace though - We don't get points deducted for taking such a piss poor following there. (although hopefully it will stop the wankfest over how great our support is)

I laugh at the 1275 who are so far making the effort to go, embarrassing. In my defence, I can't go because I don't want to.

Again, you are misunderstanding. Nobody is attempting to give it the "I'm a better fan than you are". I wouldn't go if I didn't want to go either. I find it disappointing that so few don't want to go, given our league position and what we are playing for.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 03:59:02 PM

Hopefully that was the figure before they went on general sale last night. All hail the saving grace though - We don't get points deducted for taking such a piss poor following there. (although hopefully it will stop the wankfest over how great our support is)

I laugh at the 1275 who are so far making the effort to go, embarrassing. In my defence, I can't go because I don't want to.

Again, you are misunderstanding. Nobody is attempting to give it the "I'm a better fan than you are". I wouldn't go if I didn't want to go either. I find it disappointing that so few don't want to go, given our league position and what we are playing for.

When people are moaning that we're taking (comparatively) few to an away game, then if they're going they ARE saying they're a better fan than the rest. When all you ever do is talk about ticket sales and poor atmosphere, you're putting yourself out on a limb to be shot down.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
You cannot compare London with Sunderland for transport or exiles. We sold the full 1800 for our cup disaster down there on a Friday night in shite weather. Leeds sold circa 2000 for Bristol City last season on a night game which is roughly the same distance.

End of the day, fuck Leeds, the mickey mouse twats. They're not even half the club we are and if their fans weren't fucktards extraordinaire, you wouldn't pay any attention to them;m read the same for Heath, Small and Millwall and all the other shit house clubs who people have only ever heard of beyond the end of their post codes because they acted like ****** in the 80s and still take rafts of bell ends in Stone Island these days to games.

There is a reason Leeds are universally mocked about their attendances, its because nobody gives a good fuck.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 04:00:57 PM
You cannot compare London with Sunderland for transport or exiles. We sold the full 1800 for our cup disaster down there on a Friday night in shite weather. Leeds sold circa 2000 for Bristol City last season on a night game which is roughly the same distance.

Exiles is a good point. I've known us take a couple of thousand to a night game and had about half a dozen coaches parked up.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
You cannot compare London with Sunderland for transport or exiles. We sold the full 1800 for our cup disaster down there on a Friday night in shite weather. Leeds sold circa 2000 for Bristol City last season on a night game which is roughly the same distance.

Exiles is a good point. I've known us take a couple of thousand to a night game and had about half a dozen coaches parked up.

Every time we play down at London on a night we sell out and you'll find loads of people in work shirts, minus their ties shouting "fackin' hell Villa!". I'm sure the same is true of Wednesday. For every "hey ooop lad" from South Yorkshire, you'll have had an exile who lives down there. Aint no fucker going to volunteer to live in Sunderland. Where I am is about as far north as you go before you get Wildlings.

Have a look at peoples locations on here, ok its not universal, but its a typical example. There's a good number from London and there's a good number of us in the North West, smattering over the way in Yorkshire. Its why we universally sell out everywhere, but the absence of exiles in the North East probably hits us on a week night, same as everybody else.

Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
You cannot compare London with Sunderland for transport or exiles. We sold the full 1800 for our cup disaster down there on a Friday night in shite weather. Leeds sold circa 2000 for Bristol City last season on a night game which is roughly the same distance.

Exiles is a good point. I've known us take a couple of thousand to a night game and had about half a dozen coaches parked up.

Every time we play down at London on a night we sell out and you'll find loads of people in work shirts, minus their ties shouting "fackin' hell Villa!". I'm sure the same is true of Wednesday. For every "hey ooop lad" from South Yorkshire, you'll have had an exile who lives down there. Aint no fucker going to volunteer to live in London. Where I am is about as far north as you go before you get Wildlings.

Have a look at peoples locations on here, ok its not universal, but its a typical example. There's a good number from London and there's a good number of us in the North West, smattering over the way in Yorkshire. Its why we universally sell out everywhere, but the absence of exiles in the North East probably hits us on a week night, same as everybody else.



Anyone who knows me will tell you how in the days of selling at away games I shed a tear every time a London club got relegated.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 04:08:35 PM

Hopefully that was the figure before they went on general sale last night. All hail the saving grace though - We don't get points deducted for taking such a piss poor following there. (although hopefully it will stop the wankfest over how great our support is)

I laugh at the 1275 who are so far making the effort to go, embarrassing. In my defence, I can't go because I don't want to.

Again, you are misunderstanding. Nobody is attempting to give it the "I'm a better fan than you are". I wouldn't go if I didn't want to go either. I find it disappointing that so few don't want to go, given our league position and what we are playing for.

When people are moaning that we're taking (comparatively) few to an away game, then if they're going they ARE saying they're a better fan than the rest. When all you ever do is talk about ticket sales and poor atmosphere, you're putting yourself out on a limb to be shot down.

Nobody is moaning.
I fail to see how commenting on poor sales qualifies you to be a better fan just because you happen to be going to a particular game.
I've never spoken about atmosphere and don't think I've ever personally contributed to a song or chant since the early 80s. In fact, I think our chants and songs are shit as well and seem to be based on two or three syllables followed by "M'lord". That's another story though
I'd prefer to debate rather than be "shot down" but ultimately, my feelings and opinions will remain the same, regardless of the amount of sarcasm they seem to attract.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 04:13:12 PM


Nobody is moaning.
I fail to see how commenting on poor sales qualifies you to be a better fan just because you happen to be going to a particular game.
I've never spoken about atmosphere and don't think I've ever personally contributed to a song or chant since the early 80s. In fact, I think our chants and songs are shit as well and seem to be based on two or three syllables followed by "M'lord". That's another story though
I'd prefer to debate rather than be "shot down" but ultimately, my feelings and opinions will remain the same, regardless of the amount of sarcasm they seem to attract.

Somebody - not you - IS moaning. That's quite obvious, unless the phrase  "shit following that" is actually da youf speak for something on a par with Hillsborough '75.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 04:16:31 PM
You cannot compare London with Sunderland for transport or exiles. We sold the full 1800 for our cup disaster down there on a Friday night in shite weather. Leeds sold circa 2000 for Bristol City last season on a night game which is roughly the same distance.

End of the day, fuck Leeds, the mickey mouse twats. They're not even half the club we are and if their fans weren't fucktards extraordinaire, you wouldn't pay any attention to them;m read the same for Heath, Small and Millwall and all the other shit house clubs who people have only ever heard of beyond the end of their post codes because they acted like c***s in the 80s and still take rafts of bell ends in Stone Island these days to games.

There is a reason Leeds are universally mocked about their attendances, its because nobody gives a good fuck.

I'm  not comparing it. However, 1500 was good for a midweek game 170 odd miles away.

Personally, I want the best for Villa and I believe that the better supported we are, the more the momentum increases. If another team can take 3,000 fans 200 miles up the road then I'd like to think that we can. If another team can get 60,000 for home games, I want us to do the same.

2,000 or less to Sunderland in our position is disappointing, no matter what comparison is or isn't used.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2018, 04:18:13 PM
Leeds aren't travelling 200 miles up the road to Sunderland. You're not comparing apples and apples. Different transport infrastructure, different pressures. It took me 5 hours to get to Bristol on Friday this season. Only just over an hour of that journey was from J3 of the M5 to Bristol.

Its much easier to drive from Brum to Southampton than it is often to get up the M6 on a week night to the North West. So fuck Leeds, the sheep shagging twats.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 23, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
It's a while since I've been to Elland Road but last time I went there were loads of coaches from all over the country, they draw support from all over the country.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 23, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
What I did notice with the Sheffield Wednesday tickets is that when they went on general sale we shifted about 800 in 2 days so I would hold fire before we condemn again. I still think we will take  near to 2000. Also 4 of our next 6 are away so some people have decisions to make.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 23, 2018, 05:26:43 PM
I'm not doing Sunderland because I don't want to. Too bloody far on a Tuesday night for a start.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 23, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
I'm not doing Sunderland because I don't want to. Too bloody far on a Tuesday night for a start.
I'm not doing Sunderland because the wife won't let me..
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 23, 2018, 05:32:02 PM
I'm not doing Sunderland because I don't want to. Too bloody far on a Tuesday night for a start.

^^
Shit support my Lord.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on February 23, 2018, 05:35:38 PM
I'm not doing Sunderland because I don't want to. Too bloody far on a Tuesday night for a start.

^^
Shit support my Lord.

Disappointing support.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 23, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
Huge respect to the 1275+ supporters who've already committed to this fixture. Our away support is fantastic. I'd love to be there but haven't the finances. I'm sure we'll be loud and proud as usual. UTV!
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2018, 07:28:07 PM
I've actually bought 1200 of those out of shame.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Richard E on February 23, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
We should collectively record a cover of the Elvis Costello song, but change it to 'I Don't Want to Go to Sunderland.'
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2018, 09:58:55 PM
We should collectively record a cover of the Elvis Costello song, but change it to 'I Don't Want to Go to Sunderland.'

How about a quick change to "It's too far M'lord".

I think a completely new song might be a bridge too far (a bit like Sunderland is)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2018, 10:08:10 PM
We'd sell out Arnhem easy peasy. Leeds would have took the bridge.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 23, 2018, 10:57:29 PM
They'd have been on the Germans' side, mind.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Comrade Blitz on February 24, 2018, 02:37:03 AM
I've actually bought 1200 of those out of shame.

On one season ticket holder's reference? That's 1200 aways on your account. Nice one, Ads.  8)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 24, 2018, 08:44:00 AM
Anybody want a spare for Sunderland?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: richtheholtender on February 24, 2018, 09:02:06 AM
Anybody want a spare for Sunderland?


Interested. Can you inbox?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 24, 2018, 09:06:18 AM
Sorry pal I was joking in line with my 1200 comments.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: richtheholtender on February 24, 2018, 09:09:55 AM
Didn’t read the previous comments. Enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 24, 2018, 11:44:08 AM
I've actually bought 1200 of those out of shame.

On one season ticket holder's reference? That's 1200 aways on your account. Nice one, Ads.  8)

Leeds fans would have at least 2,400 always on their references
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: TonyD on February 24, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
The club should put on free coaches.  That would sort it. 
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: b23 on February 24, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Sunderland owner Ellis Short ready to give away club for free.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43157628
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 24, 2018, 11:05:29 PM
We'll sell around 2k I imagine.

Way this thread was/is going I actually thought we were playing them this Tuesday. Another 10 days, I imagine the exciting win today will shift a few more.

Personally if I was going up there I'd just book a cheap hotel in Newcastle but of course many won't be able to do that.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 25, 2018, 08:26:47 AM
Sunderland owner Ellis Short ready to give away club for free.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43157628

I’ll have a look around when I’m up there. Kick a few tyres etc
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ayup on February 26, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
Ticket available for collection on the day.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 27, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Anyone with a seat in a car going from anywhere near Solihull please shout.  Obviously petrol costs contributed!
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Damo70 on February 27, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
Anyone with a seat in a car going from anywhere near Solihull please shout.  Obviously petrol costs contributed!

You can borrow the whole car if you like. It is sat on the drive waiting for my son to turn 17 in May. Be a love and tax and insure it for me and it's yours for the day. ;)
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 27, 2018, 05:47:19 PM
1500 sold.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 27, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
Shameful.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2018, 06:26:41 PM
Rubbish support, everyone going could fit in Damo's car.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 27, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
Rubbish support, everyone going could fit in Damo's car.

They couldn't. I have nicked it am currently covertly surveilling ChrisW. I am actually trained to do that so keep 'am peeled my old son....
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 27, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
The ticket office took half the tickets available off sale last week. We've sold out all the tickets available tonight so anyone wanting to purchase can't do so.

I was just going to ask Cbullyweefan for his client reference as well. sadly, I've made other plans now.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2018, 09:46:52 PM
They'll release the next block tomorrow. They're just trying to concentrate the support.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 27, 2018, 09:51:29 PM
Anyone with a seat in a car going from anywhere near Solihull please shout.  Obviously petrol costs contributed!

You can borrow the whole car if you like. It is sat on the drive waiting for my son to turn 17 in May. Be a love and tax and insure it for me and it's yours for the day. ;)

What an offer! However with my night vision it’s anyones guess what I’d be bringing back. Or when. Cheers Damo
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Brassneck on February 27, 2018, 09:54:44 PM
They'll release the next block tomorrow. They're just trying to concentrate the support.

Yes, I understand that but there were only something like 17 seats left at the close of play today. The other blocks were half sold anyway. It would have made sense to offer block 26 back again for example, which only had a few seats remaining in any case.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Des Little on February 27, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
Stupid question alert but does anyone know if you can pay on the gate? Asking for - ahem - a friend
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 28, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
I got one late last night and will be driving up on my lonesome from Leeds. Any parking advice?
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
I got one late last night and will be driving up on my lonesome from Leeds. Any parking advice?

Nice and close to the kerb if parallel parking.

If not, try to position your car equidistant between left and right edge of space.

Once parked, do not leave any valuables on display in your car.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2018, 11:19:25 PM
Shameful.

So embarrassing.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2018, 06:57:12 AM
I got one late last night and will be driving up on my lonesome from Leeds. Any parking advice?

Nice and close to the kerb if parallel parking.

If not, try to position your car equidistant between left and right edge of space.

Once parked, do not leave any valuables on display in your car.

Noted
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on March 01, 2018, 08:00:55 AM
I got one late last night and will be driving up on my lonesome from Leeds. Any parking advice?

Nice and close to the kerb if parallel parking.

If not, try to position your car equidistant between left and right edge of space.

Once parked, do not leave any valuables on display in your car.
This one post sums up what I love about H&V!!
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on March 05, 2018, 05:04:12 PM
1600 sold.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
Fantastic support for a Tuesday night. Fair play to all those going up.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: QuintonVilla on March 05, 2018, 05:25:23 PM
We must be mental travelling up there on a Tuesday night but if it's anything like the scenes at Sheff U and Sheff W it will be worth it.

I did think we'd take 2000+ though as we took 1800 to Newcastle last season for a Monday game on TV when we were in the bottom half.

Mind you, just saw massive, need a 50k seater ground, sleeping giant, top of the league Wolves have only sold 1200 for their game at Leeds tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: Ads on March 05, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
1600 is a decent following. Should be a cracker.
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: HoratioHornblower on March 05, 2018, 06:47:25 PM
Flyin over from NI in the morn, looking forward to it
Title: Re: Sunderland
Post by: PeterWithe on March 09, 2018, 10:01:29 PM
I got the tram from Newcastle to Sunderland and it was very surprising the amount of local Villa supporters that were about, I always knew we had massive support all over the Midlands but to see us in numbers that far north was a big surprise, a mixture of accents of exiles midlanders and northerners as well.
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