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Title: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: IFWaters on December 21, 2017, 09:43:25 AM
Blatant bit of speculation here.

Tony tweeted about the VP redevelopment plans being really different and taking everyone by surprise. He also talked about the whole area becoming a centre for sports, which makes sense with Alexandra stadium redevelopment.

Commonwealth Games are here in 2022, VP will host the Rugby Sevens.

I would think there would be a bit of pressure (possibly even some cash ? probably not) to get any redevelopment done so the place is nice and spick and span by 2022.

Shame if its all still on hold because we're stuck in the Championship because we havent signed a striker.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on December 21, 2017, 09:45:40 AM
It would be nice to see a huge regeneration go on and see the city creep closer to B6.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Blatant bit of speculation here.

Tony tweeted about the VP redevelopment plans being really different and taking everyone by surprise. He also talked about the whole area becoming a centre for sports, which makes sense with Alexandra stadium redevelopment.

Commonwealth Games are here in 2022, VP will host the Rugby Sevens.

I would think there would be a bit of pressure (possibly even some cash ? probably not) to get any redevelopment done so the place is nice and spick and span by 2022.

Shame if its all still on hold because we're stuck in the Championship because we havent signed a striker.

The sort of development we're looking at would only need a couple of years so we've got a bit of time still but I agree that you'd want most of the work done well in advance of that summer, if for no other reason than it will be a 'dead' year for any development plans.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 21, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
Considering our Toney's background is predominantly in city infrastructure development do you think he knew the inside track on this when he bought us?

I remember it being mentioned at the time that the plans he had at the very beginning were "mind blowing"
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on December 21, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
What would we like to see?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Villan For Life on December 21, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
What would we like to see?

There's some prime land in Small Heath that would make an ideal park and ride site. It will need fumigating first though.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Gaz Jones on December 21, 2017, 10:58:00 AM
If Dr Tony is serious about a major redevelopment at Villa Park, then we might find it doesn't happen till after the games.  If the plans involve knocking down more than one stand and some reprofiling in the others, then in all likelihood we would need somewhere else to play for a season - it now just so happens that there will be a 40,000+ stadium available down the road after the summer of 2022. 

For the games themselves, Villa Park will be fine as it is for the Rugby 7s (it looked great in the Rugby World Cup in 2015).
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on December 21, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
If Dr Tony is serious about a major redevelopment at Villa Park, then we might find it doesn't happen till after the games.  If the plans involve knocking down more than one stand and some reprofiling in the others, then in all likelihood we would need somewhere else to play for a season - it now just so happens that there will be a 40,000+ stadium available down the road after the summer of 2022. 

For the games themselves, Villa Park will be fine as it is for the Rugby 7s (it looked great in the Rugby World Cup in 2015).

I doubt very much that we'd need to vacate VP for a season, whatever the plans turn out to be.

And the Alexander stadium will only have a 40k capacity for the games, before reverting to 25k after the games.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 21, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
Liverpool have increased the capacity of Anfield from around what Villa Park holds up to 54,000, with an intended capacity of 59,000. So I see no reason why would need to vacate Villa Park for the season.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 21, 2017, 01:03:13 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Gaz Jones on December 21, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Liverpool have increased the capacity of Anfield from around what Villa Park holds up to 54,000, with an intended capacity of 59,000. So I see no reason why would need to vacate Villa Park for the season.

Yes, but Liverpool were effectively building an extension to a pre-existing stand that remained open throughout the building work.  The quotes from Dr Tony a few weeks ago indicated that as a minimum both the North Stand and Witton Lane would be getting replaced, I'm guessing from the point of view of getting better facilites as much as increasing capacity. 

In terms of cost (both building wise and through loss of ground capacity),  it would be far easier if we didn't have to keep it running as a football ground whilst any work was being done.  I would have also thought that the Alexander Stadium could be kept at it's temporary capacity for 12 months after the games if needed, hence it might make sense for any redevelopment of Villa Park to start immediately after the CWG rather than ahead of them.  Although having said all that, if we don't get promoted soon it's probably all academic!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 21, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
Long-term we should be looking to expand, but we'd need to be successful first. I'd quite happily see that eyesore North Stand replaced but it's hardly a priority at present and I doubt we'd be looking to do much prior to 2022.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on December 21, 2017, 03:52:55 PM
What would we like to see?

A bloody big wrecking ball ploughing into the North Stand
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2017, 04:34:49 PM
Blatant bit of speculation here.

Tony tweeted about the VP redevelopment plans being really different and taking everyone by surprise. He also talked about the whole area becoming a centre for sports, which makes sense with Alexandra stadium redevelopment.

Commonwealth Games are here in 2022, VP will host the Rugby Sevens.

I would think there would be a bit of pressure (possibly even some cash ? probably not) to get any redevelopment done so the place is nice and spick and span by 2022.

Shame if its all still on hold because we're stuck in the Championship because we havent signed a striker.

Yes, the whole area becoming a centre for sport is a great idea that I suggested to General K before he flounced off. Stakeholders could include Aston Villa, BCC (I presume they own Aston Park and Salford Park?) the 5-a-side place, Aston University, BCU, Warwickshire CCC, Birmingham University, UCB. Whatís happened to the Aston Villa Leisure Centre behind the Tavern, I havenít been down there for years? Then thereís the speedway & dog track and Alexander Stadium. Lots of facilities there to get community coaching into, a pretty disadvantaged area with some unemployment and education issues and gang culture to try and tackle through community initiatives. Would be a great legacy for the Games.

In terms of having to move out, I donít see it. The capacity of the North Stand is only 6,500, we could do without that for a year and even replace most of that loss by re-opening the Trinity upper tier. Then assuming the North Stand would rebuilt with increased capacity, we could go a year without the Witton Lane for a while without losing much from the overall capacity as it is now.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2017, 04:41:18 PM
It would be nice to see a huge regeneration go on and see the city creep closer to B6.

Absolutely.

It would be so great for the city to have a team challenging for honours and attracting 60,000 people 30 times a season to watch Premier and Champions League games. It would be more important in terms of perception and regeneration than the Commonwealths.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
Percy, the leisure centre is long gone, it was knocked down a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Bren'd on December 21, 2017, 04:46:48 PM
Iíd imagine that any improvements to VP will in some part be funded by the tax payer to bring them up to the required standard. It reminds me of when Sullivan and co were doing their best to get the council to build them a state of the art stadium for nothing. Okay, itís not a new stadium weíre getting but weíll still have noses helping fund an upgrade of our place.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2017, 04:51:22 PM
Percy, the leisure centre is long gone, it was knocked down a couple of years ago.

Ta. Shame, some happy memories from there. Weller, Spartak Moscow on the big screen, VFC and shareholders meetings.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2017, 04:52:58 PM
Iíd imagine that any improvements to VP will in some part be funded by the tax payer to bring them up to the required standard. It reminds me of when Sullivan and co were doing their best to get the council to build them a state of the art stadium for nothing. Okay, itís not a new stadium weíre getting but weíll still have noses helping fund an upgrade of our place.

I very much doubt the potless council will be giving money to the private business of a multi-millionaire, nor should it IMO.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 21, 2017, 04:56:00 PM
No corner filling in please
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Bren'd on December 21, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
Iíd imagine that any improvements to VP will in some part be funded by the tax payer to bring them up to the required standard. It reminds me of when Sullivan and co were doing their best to get the council to build them a state of the art stadium for nothing. Okay, itís not a new stadium weíre getting but weíll still have noses helping fund an upgrade of our place.

Iím sure some improvements will be made and from what Iíve heard some of the funding for the games will come from the city. That will mean everyone helping fund it to some extent. If our place needs upgrading to hold the rugby event then rightly it should receive some funding multi millionaire owner or not.

I very much doubt the potless council will be giving money to the private business of a multi-millionaire, nor should it IMO.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on December 21, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park
Mate. The North Stand? It's got to go.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: manic-road on December 21, 2017, 05:50:31 PM
Leave our villa park alone, don’t want the corners filled in, don’t want any new stand. Loves villa park
Mate. The North Stand? It's got to go.

Yes the North Stand has to go, looked ok in the 70's and that's all.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on December 21, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
I would like to see the new North have a large lower tier like the Holte and wrap around with the first and second tiers of the Trinity. It would create a good bank of support and certainly improve the atmosphere and the aesthetic.

It would fairly intimidating for the away fans as well for a big beast being next to their corner. A smaller upper tier like the Holte. I think you'd be adding 8,000 to 10,000 there.

I definitely would like to see the city centre creep towards Aston with all the infrastructure that would be necessary too.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: john e on December 21, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park


Agree on the corners but I wouldn't be against something new in the witton road
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on December 21, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park


Agree on the corners but I wouldn't be against something new in the witton road
Witton Road? Schoolboy error son!!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: IFWaters on December 21, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
If you follow the A34 from Aston University up to the Alexandra Stadium thats a massive area for potential development / improvement including the area around Villa Park. If you look on Google Maps there is quite a lot of vacant land, steel warehouses and run-down public housing. All of that could be improved with a master plan for the area that brings an identity and a purpose for the area built on sport and recreation facilities alongside rebuilding and improving housing, transport links (eg mass transit system along the A34) and so on. Villa should be a very large part of that, to make this area the centre for sport in the Midlands. That is what the legacy of 2022 should be.

The Jewellery Quarter has a definite identity, Salford in Manchester was rebuilt as a 'Media Hub', Stratford as a sports centre and new residential area, Canary Wharf as a financial centre etc and there are numerous examples around the world. The main thing is for the games to create a theme which can then be built on. Birmingham and the Midlands as a whole would benefit enormously if this is done in the right way. The risk if its done poorly is that it just ends up mirroring the mistakes made in the 1960s.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
What kind of things actually get built to build a sporting area, though? It sounds a bit pie in the sky, really.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Simon Page on December 21, 2017, 08:26:58 PM
What kind of things actually get built to build a sporting area, though? It sounds a bit pie in the sky, really.

This sort of stuff plus much more. (http://sportcity-manchester.com/)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: IFWaters on December 21, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
What kind of things actually get built to build a sporting area, though? It sounds a bit pie in the sky, really.
expanded villa park
relocate bodymoor heath as its due to become a railway sidings
community football / sports area like outside Man Citys' ground
rejuvenated alexandra stadium
aquatics centre
velodrome like the one outside Derby County's ground
Something like the Xscape in Milton Keynes - extreme sports centre
Smaller faciities / University centre for sport
Linear parl running 4 miles from city to Alexandra stadium
Cycle paths
Running paths
Landscaping linking parks
New academy centred on sports science
Rejuvenated housing
Entertainment centre

Basically take the best / commercially longterm viable from what other cities have done and improve it. Go and look at Stratford if you need inspiration.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on December 21, 2017, 08:53:29 PM
You just know corners will get filled in during any upgrade.

For me, I'd be happy if we flattened the North Stand and built one of these...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzF4WnfCAAALYBb.jpg)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on December 21, 2017, 08:54:05 PM
Oh, and start calling the Witton Lane stand the Witton Lane stand again!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2017, 08:54:34 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park


Agree on the corners but I wouldn't be against something new in the witton road
Witton Road? Schoolboy error son!!
I think John wants another fried chicken and chips outlet on Witton road I think.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 21, 2017, 08:58:42 PM
Oh, and start calling the Witton Lane stand the Witton Lane stand again!

And the north stand the witton end
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on December 21, 2017, 09:07:52 PM
Leave our villa park alone, donít want the corners filled in, donít want any new stand. Loves villa park

The North Stand looks ridiculous though.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2017, 10:54:12 PM
I think we should celebrate Gabbys  new contract by naming the new stand after him.

Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: purpletrousers on December 22, 2017, 12:48:45 AM
I have to stay, having last year moved back to my flat in Hackney Wick I rented out since 2009, a stones throw from the Olympic Site, it is pretty amazing how the area has changed and continues to do so.
I have to admit finding it slightly painful most days cycling past the West Ham ground I subsidise, but I can tolerate that given I have a massive new park and well all sorts of facilities, cultural quarter on its way with V&A East & new Saddlers Wells too.
Of course changes bring losses as well, but the light industrial wasteland is no more and I allegedly live in one of the hippest districts in Europe...
Something was confirmed when I saw a bunch of tourists being shown round the other week, presumably a graffiti trail tacked onto an Olympic site tour.
If there was any part of London that needed it it was this.
I was working in the Community Mental Health Team based in Stratford at the time of the Olympics. There was a surreal day cycling past some Olympic Team in all their tracksuits, I did wonder aloud, how the heck the Olympics had ended up in what was up to then the arse end of London.
It'd be great if Brum got a similar shot in the arm.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2017, 03:43:08 AM
Itís great news for the city and starts to give a bit of glimpse into what Xiaís been hinting at and what was suggested by Hollis/Lerner during the sale. Heís clearly also been networking hard to ensure Villa Park and indeed the entire area gets rebuilt and regenerated. What Man City have been able to accomplish is astonishing and Iím not expecting that. But done right it can vault us into a very exciting new era in the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
As we're only hosting the Rugby 7's, which is hardly a flagship event within the Games, is it not more likely that a slightly more cosmetically improved VP will be the height of the transformation involved?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on December 22, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
What kind of things actually get built to build a sporting area, though? It sounds a bit pie in the sky, really.

Given this is Birmingham we're talking about I'd like to see sports research centres and high-end manufacturing for sports equipment.  That's the legacy that Birmingham should always aim for, we push the boundaries and build the future.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on December 22, 2017, 10:36:35 AM
Quote
Given this is Birmingham we're talking about I'd like to see sports research centres and high-end manufacturing for sports equipment.  That's the legacy that Birmingham should always aim for, we push the boundaries and build the future.

Agreed.

The ship has sailed somewhat in terms of SportCity in Manchester which has collared squash, cycling, tennis.

Do we replicate that and hoover up other sports (e.g. hockey, rugby etc etc) which already have national centres?

Or go as suggested above and look at it differently?

Would love to know what the strategy is.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on December 22, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
This is where the council should have flexibility to set business rates and council tax in zones to allow for certain business to concentrate and hopefully flourish.

It would be good to see the Uni's have a centre of excellence maybe adjacent to new facilities.

There's a golden opportunity here to re-build and craft something in a part of the city that doesn't involve social cleansing that's taken place in north London.

Sounds like Xia has been mingling with the council and floating ideas, so who knows.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: tomd2103 on December 22, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
If you follow the A34 from Aston University up to the Alexandra Stadium thats a massive area for potential development / improvement including the area around Villa Park. If you look on Google Maps there is quite a lot of vacant land, steel warehouses and run-down public housing. All of that could be improved with a master plan for the area that brings an identity and a purpose for the area built on sport and recreation facilities alongside rebuilding and improving housing, transport links (eg mass transit system along the A34) and so on. Villa should be a very large part of that, to make this area the centre for sport in the Midlands. That is what the legacy of 2022 should be.

The Jewellery Quarter has a definite identity, Salford in Manchester was rebuilt as a 'Media Hub', Stratford as a sports centre and new residential area, Canary Wharf as a financial centre etc and there are numerous examples around the world. The main thing is for the games to create a theme which can then be built on. Birmingham and the Midlands as a whole would benefit enormously if this is done in the right way. The risk if its done poorly is that it just ends up mirroring the mistakes made in the 1960s.

Mainly through Villa, Aston is a nationally known name, so I guess there is potential there.  Along with the Commonwealth Games, HS2 could be a game changer in terms of redevelopment for the area.     
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Drummond on December 22, 2017, 01:02:11 PM
This really is a perfect opportunity for the city.

Manchester and London have really benefited from the Commonwealth and Olympic Games respectively, this should be just what Birmingham needs to do the same. Given our owner's experience in development and his keenness to do business, we should be bale to take a leading role.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Itís great news for the city and starts to give a bit of glimpse into what Xiaís been hinting at and what was suggested by Hollis/Lerner during the sale. Heís clearly also been networking hard to ensure Villa Park and indeed the entire area gets rebuilt and regenerated. What Man City have been able to accomplish is astonishing and Iím not expecting that. But done right it can vault us into a very exciting new era in the next 10 years.

Has he? When?

I'm not suggesting he hasn't but I haven't seen anything to suggest this.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on December 22, 2017, 03:44:58 PM
Itís great news for the city and starts to give a bit of glimpse into what Xiaís been hinting at and what was suggested by Hollis/Lerner during the sale. Heís clearly also been networking hard to ensure Villa Park and indeed the entire area gets rebuilt and regenerated. What Man City have been able to accomplish is astonishing and Iím not expecting that. But done right it can vault us into a very exciting new era in the next 10 years.

Has he? When?

I'm not suggesting he hasn't but I haven't seen anything to suggest this.

He's posted a fair few things on twitter where he's met with people from the council, Wyness was in the group that worked on the CWG bid.  I've heard hints of a few other things as well.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on December 22, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
You just know corners will get filled in during any upgrade.

For me, I'd be happy if we flattened the North Stand and built one of these...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzF4WnfCAAALYBb.jpg)
Yeah the Sudtribune is an awesome sight when used for standing. It has the same legendary status as the old Holte end terrace. If the club were to build us something similar at the Witton end that would rock the established "norm" of the Sky six.Can't see it happening but Dr Tony did say the plans were unique for England and I can't wait to see them. Throughout the history of Aston Villa we have always been proud to have one of the best stadiums in England even when the club has been in the doldrums. It's something that has always set the club apart from the average. Make us proud again Tony.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2017, 06:38:56 PM
Itís great news for the city and starts to give a bit of glimpse into what Xiaís been hinting at and what was suggested by Hollis/Lerner during the sale. Heís clearly also been networking hard to ensure Villa Park and indeed the entire area gets rebuilt and regenerated. What Man City have been able to accomplish is astonishing and Iím not expecting that. But done right it can vault us into a very exciting new era in the next 10 years.

Has he? When?

I'm not suggesting he hasn't but I haven't seen anything to suggest this.

I recall back in 2016 he met with the council (Clancy I think) and then this article also.

Xia Villa Park plans (https://www.google.ca/amp/www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-park-redevelopment-tony-xia-13966888.amp)

I think heís always had redevelopment as a priority as part of buying the club. Coinciding with the Games bid only strengthened that position and desire. Iím sure these werenít the only meetings to take place to incorporate Villa Park into the councilís plans for the games.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: willenhall villa on December 22, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
ďThe Jewellery Quarter has a definite identity, Salford in Manchester was rebuilt as a 'Media Hub', Stratford as a sports centre and new residential area, Canary Wharf as a financial centre etc and there are numerous examples around the world. The main thing is for the games to create a theme which can then be built on. Birmingham and the Midlands as a whole would benefit enormously if this is done in the right way. The risk if its done poorly is that it just ends up mirroring the mistakes made in the 1960s.Ē

I was working near the ethiad the other week and the sports village that is now there is fantastic. All from the commonwealth games and the whole area works a treat. Yes, Alexandra Stadium is a little further from VIlla Park but as mentioned there is plenty of in used land between the two and with the University sat between what a great attraction/ area to be able to regenerate.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2017, 08:22:22 PM
Plenty of space around VP. The indoor Stumps place could be rebuilt into something to use 7 days a week rather than on matchdays.

That little community/basketball pitch opposite the Witton could be another area to get more productivity out of.

Have they said what the UCE building is going to be redeveloped into? I assume it will be the Athlete's village although not seen that anywhere.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on December 22, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
Plenty of space around VP. The indoor Stumps place could be rebuilt into something to use 7 days a week rather than on matchdays.

That little community/basketball pitch opposite the Witton could be another area to get more productivity out of.

Have they said what the UCE building is going to be redeveloped into? I assume it will be the Athlete's village although not seen that anywhere.

Isn't stumps used for the academy in the week?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: TonyD on December 22, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
You just know corners will get filled in during any upgrade.

For me, I'd be happy if we flattened the North Stand and built one of these...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzF4WnfCAAALYBb.jpg)
I prefer they flattened the Holte and replaced it with this.  Dr Tony are you reading this.  ?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on December 22, 2017, 11:07:01 PM
I think the new Holte is a fantastic stand. It looks superb inside and outside.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2017, 11:08:08 PM
Plenty of space around VP. The indoor Stumps place could be rebuilt into something to use 7 days a week rather than on matchdays.

That little community/basketball pitch opposite the Witton could be another area to get more productivity out of.

Have they said what the UCE building is going to be redeveloped into? I assume it will be the Athlete's village although not seen that anywhere.

Isn't stumps used for the academy in the week?

Ah I stand corrected. When you think how big that area is including Villa Village (new club shop could be incoporated into an extended North Stand) we could redevlope that area into some pitches and training areas like Man. City have.

Underground car park could be possible aswell.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: itbrvilla on March 26, 2018, 09:36:40 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-park-plans-aston-villa-14448803

Nothing new in there but I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: itbrvilla on March 26, 2018, 09:44:47 AM
Sorry, just seen the Charlie Dimmock thread.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
An underwhelming article but the redev is being discussed in the Dimmock thread.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: darren woolley on March 26, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
I would like us to build a new stand in place of the North Stand but I like many others don't want the corners filled in keep it as it is.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 26, 2018, 11:49:32 AM
I'll be quite happy for them to fill the corners in. Will make it less drafty.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: chrisw1 on March 26, 2018, 01:10:53 PM
I'd quite like a horseshoe, with the holte as a stand alone feature stand.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 26, 2018, 01:57:29 PM
- Rebuilt North Stand, a brick structure to compliment the Holte but also a modern approach that looks to the future
- Work on the Trinity and Doug Ellis stands, new cladding or artwork on the former just to smarten it up a bit, new roofing and maybe another tier on the latter
- Possibly new roofing on the Holte to blend in with work on the other stands

This is what I would like to see.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 26, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
I'd like heated seats as well, please. Maybe a telly in the back of the seat in front for when I get bored.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 26, 2018, 02:57:38 PM
I'd like heated seats as well, please. Maybe a telly in the back of the seat in front for when I get bored.

USB ports in the seats for charging phones.


Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 26, 2018, 03:02:09 PM
I would like a curtain between the Upper Holte and the Witton that we can shut when it gets a bit nippy.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 26, 2018, 03:06:01 PM
I would like a curtain between the Upper Holte and the Witton that we can shut when it gets a bit nippy.

And while we're at it I'd like one across the front of each stand that we can shut when we're capitulating to teams like QPR.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 26, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
Tables and chairs in the concourse so you can sit down to eat your pie with a knife and fork.

Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Richard E on March 26, 2018, 03:17:46 PM
I would like a curtain between the Upper Holte and the Witton that we can shut when it gets a bit nippy.

And while we're at it I'd like one across the front of each stand that we can shut when we're capitulating to teams like QPR.

When we have a 60,000 seater stadium we will be a European powerhouse and the days of capitulation to teams like QPR will be a distant memory :-)))
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 26, 2018, 03:42:38 PM
Honestly though, I really want to see what these plans are.

Come on Villa show us a render. Or at least describe how it looks.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 26, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Somebody should do a mock up made out of Lego.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on March 26, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
If I built a football stand, I'd make sure that all along one side of the concourse is a bar.  All the other side of the concourse would be toilets.

Ground breaking, i know.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 26, 2018, 04:33:44 PM
If I built a football stand, I'd make sure anybody over 6 foot can sit down comfortably. Only sat in the North Stand once and I can only assume it was built with children and midgets in mind.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on March 26, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
If I built a football stand, I'd make sure anybody over 6 foot can sit down comfortably. Only sat in the North Stand once and I can only assume it was built with children and midgets in mind.
I seem to remember there was a bit of a kerfuffle regarding the dimensions of the North stand was built in the70's......
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
If I built a football stand, I'd make sure anybody over 6 foot can sit down comfortably. Only sat in the North Stand once and I can only assume it was built with children and midgets in mind.

I understand Mazrim, once of this shire, was a Senior Project Lead
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2018, 07:29:21 PM
I'm curious as to what these exciting plans are and welcome an update to the stadium/ground, however I can't understand the clamour to add an additional 20k seats to the capacity - "build and they will come" is often cited on here but the reality is we seldom sell out and the likelihood of selling 60k seats per game - unless we grant the visiting clubs more generous allocations - is in my opinion over optimistic - the  reality of the stadium being 1/2 or 2/3 full on most match days is foreseeable - even with generous discounting or the possibility of an increase in tourist visitors is only likely to add hundreds rather than thousands to the gates∑ Hopefully the plans are iconic and we become an innovator once again which will make us proud - Whilst I recognise we have a large fan base I just don't think it will fill up a 60k stadium - in my lifetime of watching the Villa we have seldom achieved filling the ground on a regular basis - perhaps the post war boom years when grounds were filled all over the country was the last time - I don't even think the draw of European football will make any difference either
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Zouch Villa on March 26, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
I have it on good authority that this was the mock up Randy had designed whilst waiting for his tattoo:


(http://thumb.ibb.co/krzr4n/af602429cc526a510e4d80f838613386.jpg) (http://ibb.co/krzr4n)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2018, 07:58:10 PM
We'd get bigger crowds if we showed more ambition.

One thing that always made me feel a bit sorry for Lerner was that when MON was spending huge amounts of money, he spunked it mostly on solid but uninspiring players in the 5-6m mark. What he didn't get for his money was a single bums-on-seats player.

Ashley Young was closest and even then, he wasn't much of a sells-tickets player.

Another unfortunate thing about the MON era was that even when we were finishing sixth, we were doing so by way of being brilliant to watch away from home when we got to counter attack and extremely uninspiring (by comparison) at home.

Yes, we were much better at home than in the last seven years or so, but other than our annual five goal drubbing of Bolton, we were hardly entertaining - take away that once a year five goal game and we averaged about a goal a game at home. Poor return and hardly a putter of bums on seats, but even then, we had 40k averages.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 26, 2018, 08:16:59 PM
NRC was a bums on seat player for at least 1 person.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 26, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
All ifs and buts. I would consider a spruce up of the ground would be adequate. Please donít try to make it into some sort of gold fish bowl
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
Another factor I forgot to add was the number of people living in and around Brum who do not support local clubs - ie the amount of "plastic" Liverpool/Citeh/Man Utd/ fans there appears to be - I've not lived in Brum for over 20 years but when last working in the City I was astonished by the number of locals who claimed to support Man Utd or Liverpool- Likewise whenever I meet Brummies on holiday or through work I seem to get the same response to my question (when I realise they are are Brummie)- "Villa or Small Heath?"
"Neither I'm a Red"
I don't know why This is- I don't believe it's like this in Manchester, Liverpool or Newcastle where the locals support the local teams
We appear to have a large catchment of fans in the West Country though!
I appreciate that kids want to support a successful team but maybe if the club did more to recruit fans from schools across the City as well as in B6 we would see an upswell in support
But even so it's still a big leap of faith to start pulling in an extra 20k+
Finally we now have a generation who probably no longer  consider football (playing or watching) top of the list of favourite things to do -  it saddens me that even in a soccer mad city like Liverpool parks are empty on beautiful sunny days like today and its half term -  when I was a kid growing up in Hall Green I'd spend every minute I could playing football in the road or Trittiford/Shirley parks. Now there appears more bloody dogs in parks than kids !!!!! I know ........jumpers for goalposts etc
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2018, 09:52:13 PM
It needs more than that, if you compare villa park to genuine world class venue (Twickenham is the example that comes to mind for me because I've been there a few times but more locally the NIA works pretty well too) it looks shabby, cramped and cheap.  The DE upper in particular needs to be completely rethought, with a fair bit of rebuilding likely to be needed and obviously the north stand needs to be replaced entirely.  The holte and trinity can probably be handled with smaller changes but it's still a fair bit of work to bring the facilities up to a decent standard.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on March 26, 2018, 10:44:44 PM
Steve Wyness is talking about 60,000. The only way that will happen is by a horse shoe design and leaving the holte free standing. But it's all academic until we establish the club as a Premier league club top 6/8. Until then it would be financial suicide.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2018, 10:49:47 PM
I would like us to build a new stand in place of the North Stand but I like many others don't want the corners filled in keep it as it is.
I want the corners to be taken properly.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
If I built a football stand, I'd make sure anybody over 6 foot can sit down comfortably. Only sat in the North Stand once and I can only assume it was built with children and midgets in mind.
You can't build a football stadium to cater for freaks.  :)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
Steve Wyness is talking about 60,000. The only way that will happen is by a horse shoe design and leaving the holte free standing. But it's all academic until we establish the club as a Premier league club top 6/8. Until then it would be financial suicide.

Indeed, the financial pressure has forced us to merge Steve Round and Keith Wyness :)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 27, 2018, 08:03:18 AM
That's one seat saved. We only need a capacity of 59,999 now.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 27, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
We'd get bigger crowds if we showed more ambition.

One thing that always made me feel a bit sorry for Lerner was that when MON was spending huge amounts of money, he spunked it mostly on solid but uninspiring players in the 5-6m mark. What he didn't get for his money was a single bums-on-seats player.

Ashley Young was closest and even then, he wasn't much of a sells-tickets player.

Another unfortunate thing about the MON era was that even when we were finishing sixth, we were doing so by way of being brilliant to watch away from home when we got to counter attack and extremely uninspiring (by comparison) at home.

Yes, we were much better at home than in the last seven years or so, but other than our annual five goal drubbing of Bolton, we were hardly entertaining - take away that once a year five goal game and we averaged about a goal a game at home. Poor return and hardly a putter of bums on seats, but even then, we had 40k averages.

Totally agree. I had a season ticket back then, and it MONís last season I decided not to renew for the following season. We were so predictable and boring most home games as I recall. I just didnít bother going to some games that season as I knew theyíd come for a draw and get it.
I guess Iím one of those fickle fans OíLeary talked about lol.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on March 27, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Steve Wyness is talking about 60,000. The only way that will happen is by a horse shoe design and leaving the holte free standing. But it's all academic until we establish the club as a Premier league club top 6/8. Until then it would be financial suicide.

Indeed, the financial pressure has forced us to merge Steve Round and Keith Wyness :)
Doh 😕
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 11:08:22 AM
I think internal re-design of the older parts in the Witton and perhaps areas of the lower Holte etc is the more straight forward aspect to accomplish.

The design for a new North stand is where the difficulty lies as whatever comes has to blend what people almost universally love about Villa Park, that it is the finest "football" stadium in the country, with modernity. There is absolutely acres of space to work with, which helps and it would likely lead to an improvement in the Witton as you could focus an area around where block R is now for concourse space for the upper and lower Witton that would dramatically improve it.

I would like to see a horseshoe myself. I think it would be the best way to utilise the space available and lead to improvements in the Trinity and Witton as a result too. You could have a large two tier that wraps around from the Trinity [sort of like St Jame's Park] and then you'd likely need to take out Q3/2 and P11/10 of the Witton for a smoother joining of the stands.

End result is you have a large North stand, with all the improvements that brings. You've got additional concourse space in the Trinity corner and Witton corner to alleviate issues that may exist there. I think atmosphere would improve as the noise would be retained in the U of the design of the ground and the lower North would have far more depth to it. You're not going to be able to dramatically do anything about the Witton Lane without purchasing the open space behind the Witton Lane and likely the houses, shifting the road- which just isn't worth it for another 4-5000 seats there.

As an aside, I'd like the Pavilions between the Holte and Trinity to go.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 27, 2018, 12:02:15 PM
You're not going to be able to dramatically do anything about the Witton Lane without purchasing the open space behind the Witton Lane and likely the houses, shifting the road- which just isn't worth it for another 4-5000 seats there.

I may have made this up, but when the Witton Lane stand was rebuilt, didn't we buy all the houses opposite and flatten them with this very intention only to have planning permission refused?  This is why there's now a park over there.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
You're not going to be able to dramatically do anything about the Witton Lane without purchasing the open space behind the Witton Lane and likely the houses, shifting the road- which just isn't worth it for another 4-5000 seats there.

I may have made this up, but when the Witton Lane stand was rebuilt, didn't we buy all the houses opposite and flatten them with this very intention only to have planning permission refused?  This is why there's now a park over there.

I have always assumed the park was part of a s.106 agreement we've likely had to meet when permission to develop was obtained. I don't think we own it, but could well be wrong.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 27, 2018, 12:08:38 PM
It's so long ago I can't remember if I heard this or made it up!

But if we had no intention of doing anything that side of the road I'm not sure I understand why they'd have flattened all the houses over there just to build a park.

Similarly, I'm not sure how we'd have got a compulsory purchase order for them if we didn't have permission to build a massive stand!

Essentially I have no idea what I'm on about!  Does anyone else know?!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Nev on March 27, 2018, 12:27:05 PM
The land was bought to realign Witton Lane to make room for the new stand. It was cranked slightly towards where the houses stood.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Idea scenario you'd buy the land behind the Witton, flatten that and the North, wrap the Trinity round in a giant horseshoe, make the Holte a single tier behemoth and sit back to look at the best ground... in the world.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: itbrvilla on March 27, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
Just show us these plans FFS!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on March 27, 2018, 01:30:15 PM
I've seen the plans.  Doug's done Tone a deal on that brown & red corrugated cladding from the old Holte.  We're going retro!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 27, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Just show us these plans FFS!

This.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Idea scenario you'd buy the land behind the Witton, flatten that and the North, wrap the Trinity round in a giant horseshoe, make the Holte a single tier behemoth and sit back to look at the best ground... in the world.

I agree, I suspect part of the reason they're talking investing heavily in the whole area is to allow for that sort of development.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 03:13:44 PM
Idea scenario you'd buy the land behind the Witton, flatten that and the North, wrap the Trinity round in a giant horseshoe, make the Holte a single tier behemoth and sit back to look at the best ground... in the world.

I agree, I suspect part of the reason they're talking investing heavily in the whole area is to allow for that sort of development.

Having worked in a Legal Services Department of a Local Authority [albeit a piddly one, nothing like the size of BCC] it always struck me in planning that the objective seemed to be how many s.106 agreements could be squeezed out of Developers as development conditions.

If the objective is, as seems to have been hinted, that Xia has big plans for the area, then I think we'd be far more likely to get what we wanted if millions of private equity is being spent to effectively gentrify a suburb. Any sort of plan, be it mixed use retail and business parks or a bigger Villa Park is going to see an increase in footfall and traffic, so some re-working of local roads may well fall into it.

It may well be that we receive permission to develop over the Witton Lane for example, as there are a number of stands I can think of [Trinity Road, Leazes Stand, SAF Stand etc etc] where you have this style of build.

It may well be possible to re-develop the Holte into a single tier without having to start from scratch. I would love that - a big 13500 bank belting out noise that's captured in the horseshoe.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: FatSam on March 27, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
I think internal re-design of the older parts in the Witton and perhaps areas of the lower Holte etc is the more straight forward aspect to accomplish.

The design for a new North stand is where the difficulty lies as whatever comes has to blend what people almost universally love about Villa Park, that it is the finest "football" stadium in the country, with modernity. There is absolutely acres of space to work with, which helps and it would likely lead to an improvement in the Witton as you could focus an area around where block R is now for concourse space for the upper and lower Witton that would dramatically improve it.

I would like to see a horseshoe myself. I think it would be the best way to utilise the space available and lead to improvements in the Trinity and Witton as a result too. You could have a large two tier that wraps around from the Trinity [sort of like St Jame's Park] and then you'd likely need to take out Q3/2 and P11/10 of the Witton for a smoother joining of the stands.

End result is you have a large North stand, with all the improvements that brings. You've got additional concourse space in the Trinity corner and Witton corner to alleviate issues that may exist there. I think atmosphere would improve as the noise would be retained in the U of the design of the ground and the lower North would have far more depth to it. You're not going to be able to dramatically do anything about the Witton Lane without purchasing the open space behind the Witton Lane and likely the houses, shifting the road- which just isn't worth it for another 4-5000 seats there.

As an aside, I'd like the Pavilions between the Holte and Trinity to go.


I'm very firmly of the view that any redevelopment of Villa Park should maintain the current configuration of four individual stands. One reason is that it has always been the configuration of the ground, even when the cycle track existed. Another reason is that it is unrealistic to try to create a perfect bowl stadium given the current configuration, and the inherent constraints of the site. Any move towards the kind of stadia that Arsenal, Man City and West Ham have, and Spurs are about to have, would end in disappointing compromise as far as I can see - much better to build on what we've got. I think what Liverpool are in the process of doing is a strategy that we could adopt. Villa Park is a Victorian ground that has evolved, whereas even historic 20th Century grounds like Old Trafford and Maine Road were always more like purpose-built bowls.

I think that any redevelopment should identify and accentuate the distinctiveness that already exists - enhancing the good aspects. The main characteristic of Villa Park that I think makes it unique is the way that Trinity Road cuts into the corner of the ground and reveals a view of Aston Park. This led to the distinctive design of the old Trinity Road Stand upper tier and gable walls particularly, and is still the case to a certain extent with the new stand - although the boxes in the corner do detract from it.

Maintaining the current configuration doesn't mean though that the stands need to be completely disconnected from one another, it just means that they should appear largely independent with gaps in-between. I think that the lower tiers could connect, and I would like to see a lot most consistency in terms of the rake and size of the tiers for example. I would also like to see the Holte End returned to being a single tier with safe-standing in the long term. The main thing is to have a long-term strategy rather than the piecemeal approach of the Doug years. I think its more important to have top quality stadium architects on board (like Populous or similar), than construction manage the project in-house, like Doug used to do - the wrong priorities as far as I'm concerned.

The North Stand is the obvious place to start, but I'd like land acquisition to be going on in preparation for later work to the Doug Ellis Stand. It is the next oldest stand after the North, and wasn't a total re-build at the time - rather a new tier behind the original stand. Moving roads is obviously expensive, and might not be worth doing based on current attendances just to gain 4-5000 seats. However, the cost benefit analysis would have been very different at the time that the Doug Ellis Stand was built to now. Also, as part of the wider masterplan for the area that definitely is necessary, and to improve the facilities for the 10000 seats, and boxes that do exist, it probably would be justifiable.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 04:01:28 PM
We'd get bigger crowds if we showed more ambition.

One thing that always made me feel a bit sorry for Lerner was that when MON was spending huge amounts of money, he spunked it mostly on solid but uninspiring players in the 5-6m mark. What he didn't get for his money was a single bums-on-seats player.

Ashley Young was closest and even then, he wasn't much of a sells-tickets player.

Another unfortunate thing about the MON era was that even when we were finishing sixth, we were doing so by way of being brilliant to watch away from home when we got to counter attack and extremely uninspiring (by comparison) at home.

Yes, we were much better at home than in the last seven years or so, but other than our annual five goal drubbing of Bolton, we were hardly entertaining - take away that once a year five goal game and we averaged about a goal a game at home. Poor return and hardly a putter of bums on seats, but even then, we had 40k averages.


The only time we have bought bums on seats players that other top sides would have coveted was under BFR.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 04:04:31 PM
Another factor I forgot to add was the number of people living in and around Brum who do not support local clubs - ie the amount of "plastic" Liverpool/Citeh/Man Utd/ fans there appears to be - I've not lived in Brum for over 20 years but when last working in the City I was astonished by the number of locals who claimed to support Man Utd or Liverpool- Likewise whenever I meet Brummies on holiday or through work I seem to get the same response to my question (when I realise they are are Brummie)- "Villa or Small Heath?"
"Neither I'm a Red"
I don't know why This is- I don't believe it's like this in Manchester, Liverpool or Newcastle where the locals support the local teams
We appear to have a large catchment of fans in the West Country though!
I appreciate that kids want to support a successful team but maybe if the club did more to recruit fans from schools across the City as well as in B6 we would see an upswell in support
But even so it's still a big leap of faith to start pulling in an extra 20k+
Finally we now have a generation who probably no longer  consider football (playing or watching) top of the list of favourite things to do -  it saddens me that even in a soccer mad city like Liverpool parks are empty on beautiful sunny days like today and its half term -  when I was a kid growing up in Hall Green I'd spend every minute I could playing football in the road or Trittiford/Shirley parks. Now there appears more bloody dogs in parks than kids !!!!! I know ........jumpers for goalposts etc


Ah, memories of playing football in Shirley park in the eighties. Plus the bowling green was ideal for smaller sided games.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
I still think the ground can retain a traditional feel and escape the blandness of uniformity. I agree about consistent heights, but as somebody who sits Upper Holte, I think looking out onto a large horseshoe Trinity/North/Witton would be very impressive. The areas of Aston and beyond you can see to the sides of the North are a bit meh. Equally, away fans in the Witton corner would be dwarfed by the North and you'd get a good atmosphere.

A single banked Holte end, 13,500 strong, the largest in the country, would be magnificent.

I think given the the way the ground could look from the outside, blended with how impressive it would be inside would help us retain tradition and give visiting fans that bollock tightening feeling that they're somewhere sacred and perhaps for the first time, intimidating.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: KevinGage on March 27, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
We'd get bigger crowds if we showed more ambition.

One thing that always made me feel a bit sorry for Lerner was that when MON was spending huge amounts of money, he spunked it mostly on solid but uninspiring players in the 5-6m mark. What he didn't get for his money was a single bums-on-seats player.

Ashley Young was closest and even then, he wasn't much of a sells-tickets player.

Another unfortunate thing about the MON era was that even when we were finishing sixth, we were doing so by way of being brilliant to watch away from home when we got to counter attack and extremely uninspiring (by comparison) at home.

Yes, we were much better at home than in the last seven years or so, but other than our annual five goal drubbing of Bolton, we were hardly entertaining - take away that once a year five goal game and we averaged about a goal a game at home. Poor return and hardly a putter of bums on seats, but even then, we had 40k averages.


The only time we have bought bums on seats players that other top sides would have coveted was under BFR.

"When the best players in the land become available, Aston Villa should be signing them."  - BFR, 1992. 

Admittedly he said that after the signing of Earl Barrett, but so what.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 27, 2018, 04:34:12 PM
We don't need the best architects to build a proper North Stand - just copy this one:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wx9eu_2hA6E/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 04:36:49 PM
We'd get bigger crowds if we showed more ambition.

One thing that always made me feel a bit sorry for Lerner was that when MON was spending huge amounts of money, he spunked it mostly on solid but uninspiring players in the 5-6m mark. What he didn't get for his money was a single bums-on-seats player.

Ashley Young was closest and even then, he wasn't much of a sells-tickets player.

Another unfortunate thing about the MON era was that even when we were finishing sixth, we were doing so by way of being brilliant to watch away from home when we got to counter attack and extremely uninspiring (by comparison) at home.

Yes, we were much better at home than in the last seven years or so, but other than our annual five goal drubbing of Bolton, we were hardly entertaining - take away that once a year five goal game and we averaged about a goal a game at home. Poor return and hardly a putter of bums on seats, but even then, we had 40k averages.


The only time we have bought bums on seats players that other top sides would have coveted was under BFR.

"When the best players in the land become available, Aston Villa should be signing them."  - BFR, 1992. 

Admittedly he said that after the signing of Earl Barrett, but so what.


To be fair he had just broken into the England squad and we beat the reigning champions Arsenal to his signature.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 04:40:57 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Collymore must be right up there but I would say Deano was the biggest signing for me.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: AV82EC on March 27, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
We don't need the best architects to build a proper North Stand - just copy this one:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wx9eu_2hA6E/maxresdefault.jpg)

Disagree that should be the new Holte End
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 27, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Ginola?  Merson?  Bent?  Carew?  Carbone?  JPA?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 27, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Ginola?  Merson?  Bent?  Carew?  Carbone?  JPA?

Grant Holt?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 27, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Andrew "Greavesie" Greaves?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on March 27, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
Andrew "Greavesie" Greaves?

I spent a week's wages on Clubcall when Greavsie signed
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Ginola?  Merson?  Bent?  Carew?  Carbone?  JPA?

Nope, collymore was far more than those. We sold loads of extra season tickets after he signed.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2018, 04:50:23 PM
Who was that tennis player we signed.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 27, 2018, 04:50:59 PM
Who was that tennis player we signed.

Doug Ellis.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 04:51:08 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Ginola?  Merson?  Bent?  Carew?  Carbone?  JPA?

I would go with Angel, although we didn't know as much about him as we did about Saunders and Collymore.  Bent was a pretty big statement signing at the time too. I would also go with Merson and Carew as big signings. Ginola was a big name but tainted a bit by the fact George Graham seemed so happy to get rid. I wouldn't class Carbone as a big signing.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: ColinMac on March 27, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
Who was that tennis player we signed.

Michael Boulding
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 27, 2018, 04:58:51 PM
I doubt anyone thought "Earl Barrett has signed, i'm definitely going down the Villa this weekend". collymore is probably the biggest bums on seat player we've signed in my time.

Ginola?  Merson?  Bent?  Carew?  Carbone?  JPA?

I would go with Angel, although we didn't know as much about him as we did about Saunders and Collymore.  Bent was a pretty big statement signing at the time too. I would also go with Merson and Carew as big signings. Ginola was a big name but tainted a bit by the fact George Graham seemed so happy to get rid. I wouldn't class Carbone as a big signing.

Not necessarily a "big" signing but he was a flair player with a big reputation so I can imagine it would've encouraged a few more people to come to games.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Damo70 on March 27, 2018, 05:03:21 PM
I remember when we signed Collymore the publicity photo showed him on the pitch with one of those little signs you get at conference venues which tells you which party is in which room with those 'stick in' lettering. It didn't really shout 'big signing' to the world. They should have stuck with the tried and tested Villa scarf and Villa ball.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
He was such a big signing he did pics with the scarf, ball, shirt and convention sign. I doubt even Messi would get that treatment down B6.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
I don't think Carew was big signing (well he was a bigger than me and you signing but...) as such, it's was more, for me, that we signed him and Young within a day and suddenly we looked like we had an owner willing to throw some money about and get the players to push us on.

Deano, Collymore and Angel are the big signings I can think of since the premier league started, which sort of sums up Lerner (and more importantly mon) because we spent a fortune in his first 3 seasons and not one of those signings was a 'missing piece' signing who had all the fans thinking we were on our way.  When we get back up Xia needs to pull one of those out of the bag fairly quickly to show that he's not all talk.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 27, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
I had a season ticket for several seasons and was undecided whether to renew, the day I was due to go to the ground to renew Villa announced a signing. It was John Fashanu, I didnít bother.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: KevinGage on March 27, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
I don't think Carew was big signing (well he was a bigger than me and you signing but...) as such, it's was more, for me, that we signed him and Young within a day and suddenly we looked like we had an owner willing to throw some money about and get the players to push us on.

Deano, Collymore and Angel are the big signings I can think of since the premier league started, which sort of sums up Lerner (and more importantly mon)

There was only one big ego allowed at Martin O'Neillsastonvilla.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: IFWaters on March 27, 2018, 07:42:08 PM
I agree with the 4 stands thing although would be happy with a shallow bowl unifying the lot at the lowest level , for say 15 or so rows like where the Holte joins the Trinity. In addition I wouldn't have the corners 'empty' but in each corner a tower structure, like the corners of a castle or fortress (geddit?) with windows onto the pitch but no seats, with levels for catering, media, perhaps museum, club offices, kids facilities.

If ive got my stats right, the Holte and Trinity alone hold 27,000 so mirror those and you have a 54,000 seater, but I would mirror the existing Holte in the new North Stand and then knock the top off the Holte, remodel it into a single end stand holding 20,000 a la Sudtribune to make the ground up to 60,000.

To me , Villa Park should ALWAYS be one of the top 3-4 grounds in the country, should retain its individuality and should say to all visiting teams, fans and pundits.."Fuck me, Villa are a BIG CLUB"
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 27, 2018, 08:05:48 PM
I still think the ground can retain a traditional feel and escape the blandness of uniformity. I agree about consistent heights, but as somebody who sits Upper Holte, I think looking out onto a large horseshoe Trinity/North/Witton would be very impressive. The areas of Aston and beyond you can see to the sides of the North are a bit meh. Equally, away fans in the Witton corner would be dwarfed by the North and you'd get a good atmosphere.

A single banked Holte end, 13,500 strong, the largest in the country, would be magnificent.

I think given the the way the ground could look from the outside, blended with how impressive it would be inside would help us retain tradition and give visiting fans that bollock tightening feeling that they're somewhere sacred and perhaps for the first time, intimidating.

IIRC there was an idea or even model of future development floating in the Trinity reception at one time during the last years of the Ellis era.

Sort of in the style of like you say Ads of St James Park with the North stand redeveloped to join the Trinity.

Would imagine that's long been scrapped and Xia has other ideas for when the time is right.

I'd personally have no issue with those two stands also joining the Witton but please keep the Holte as a stand alone stand.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on March 27, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
A single tier, safe standing Holte End would just be fantastic.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 27, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
In recent time I'd argue John Terry as one of our biggest signings although that's more how we've slipped as a club.

It's a good point though and one we need to consider when we eventually get back up e.g. spending big on a game changing playmaker rather than overloading the squad with full backs as we did in the MON era. Most of them were just bench warmers aswell.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 27, 2018, 08:57:41 PM
I don't think Carew was big signing (well he was a bigger than me and you signing but...) as such, it's was more, for me, that we signed him and Young within a day and suddenly we looked like we had an owner willing to throw some money about and get the players to push us on.

Deano, Collymore and Angel are the big signings I can think of since the premier league started, which sort of sums up Lerner (and more importantly mon) because we spent a fortune in his first 3 seasons and not one of those signings was a 'missing piece' signing who had all the fans thinking we were on our way.  When we get back up Xia needs to pull one of those out of the bag fairly quickly to show that he's not all talk.

Last time I got excited about us signing someone was actually Darren Bent. Was buzzing the day he signed as we'd gone to a rival and just signed their star player.

Shame he was more limited than I realised at the time and we were fighting relegation rather than being 6th in the league when it would've made more sense buy hey ho.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Concrete Tom on March 27, 2018, 09:25:42 PM
There were models that were built and photographed. I remember it being in a match day program at some point.

It was basically the current Trinity design extended and wrapped around where the North is now.

I remember writing about it on an old fan site I created as a teenager but Iíve long lost the images and forgotten which program they were in. It sticks in my mind because a researcher from LMA Manager (fantastic old PS One game) was in contact with me about it as there was a stadium designer in their game.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Drummond on March 28, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
Darren Bent was a big fee signing that got some interest going. He didn't do badly in his first game either if I recall (however, I think I was with Prawn Sarnie brigade and quite pissed).
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Darrne Bent was a big signing because of the fee, and yes he did well for the first year (ish) with us but there were also a decent number people pointing out the limitations of a player like him so I wouldn't put it in quite the same category as Saunders, etc.  I will say though that, with hindsight, he was the only time that Lerner acted like the owner we hoped he was going to be and took what he wanted (well what his manager wanted) without much fuss.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 28, 2018, 06:38:43 PM
Most of our signings under Lerner were us taking the player the manager wanted without much fuss.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 28, 2018, 07:09:14 PM
In terms of big signings Peter Withe was certainly one of those although I don't think I'm rewriting history when I say there were a few raised eyebrows amongst Villa fans when Saunders signed him as " The final piece in the jigsaw"
Initially I was not impressed by the signing but was soon won over by the guys` commitment
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Harte on March 28, 2018, 11:00:50 PM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier. There are other priorities.

I'm slightly concerned that the North Stand and Doug Ellis Stand will be merged into a single "L"-shape with a "birds nest" (think 2008 Olympics) exterior.

I like the idea of the four stands remaining separate, similar to now, but if VP is to reach 60,000 seats then this may not be possible without different stands having different heights, almost to the extreme of Chelsea's Stamford Bridge prior to the millenium.

Some ideas for any redevelopement could include:

* solar panel systems on the roofs of the stands with power storage units (stadium roofs have so much square metre area I'm stumped as to why many clubs haven't done this already - maybe there's a technicality I'm overlooking).

* Large scale parking that includes recharging for electric powered vehicles.

* Large scale parking for bicycles, perhaps with dedicated elevated routes to join up with cycle lanes on the Walsall and Lichfield Roads.

These are just my thoughts. From what has been reported the Dr has something seriously left-of-field to throw into the mix. I just hope it isn't the birds nest thing.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 29, 2018, 05:28:13 AM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier.

I agree, but the North Stand would be perfect for it with the amount of space we have behind it.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: in exile on March 29, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier.

I agree, but the North Stand would be perfect for it with the amount of space we have behind it.

If you put car parking underground there is a lot of room there
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Des Little on March 29, 2018, 11:42:00 AM
Are we talking about possibly migrating the main 'end' from the Holte to the new North? 
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 29, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Are we talking about possibly migrating the main 'end' from the Holte to the new North? 

We don't need to do we?

The Holte End will always be special.  Nothing we do to the other stands will change that.  It doesn't mean the North Stand needs to be shit by comparison.

Anyway, Wolves have two "main" behind-the-goal stands and everyone knows they're going to be Champions League winners in two years time and will probably win the 2022 World Cup too!!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Towser on March 29, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Are we talking about possibly migrating the main 'end' from the Holte to the new North? 

We don't need to do we?

The Holte End will always be special.  Nothing we do to the other stands will change that.  It doesn't mean the North Stand needs to be shit by comparison.

Anyway, Wolves have two "main" behind-the-goal stands and everyone knows they're going to be Champions League winners in two years time and will probably win the 2022 World Cup too!!

They will never win the Intertoto Cup though will they?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: FatSam on March 29, 2018, 12:57:58 PM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier. There are other priorities.

Absolutely there are other priorities - It would be almost a total re-build, and so only be worth doing after the Witton End and the Witton Lane. However, the thing I would like us to have is a long term plan for stadium redevelopment and regeneration of the surrounding area.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier.

I agree, but the North Stand would be perfect for it with the amount of space we have behind it.

Thought this before. A one tier north stand would be great.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: purpletrousers on March 29, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier.

I agree, but the North Stand would be perfect for it with the amount of space we have behind it.

Thought this before. A one tier north stand would be great.

Am coming round to this too. A massive single tier standing Saunders End sounds good.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 29, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
Is this the time to wheel out my perennial, 'the players tunnel is at the wrong end' ?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 29, 2018, 05:03:20 PM
Perhaps before making the plans open to all, the club is waiting to see what league we are in next season - If in the top flight there might be some possibility of finding a sponsor to fund the rebuild/upgrade of the stadium and then put their brand/name on it - another way to get around FFP ?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 29, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
According to that Dimmock interview there are some big outdoor concerts lined up for summer 2019 so any stadium development wouldn't start until 2020 at the earliest.

As someone who sits in the North Stand I have to say the facilities and lack of room are an absolute joke up there, so the total rebuild of that stand should be a priority, regardless of whether we need to increase capacity or not.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Harte on March 29, 2018, 08:53:09 PM
I think the ship has sailed on any notition of the Holte being a single tier.

I agree, but the North Stand would be perfect for it with the amount of space we have behind it.
It would, however wouldn't this detract from the Holte? Also, why do what Dortmund are doing? Lets do our own thing - if that means, for instance, bricking up those pointless windows at the back of the Lower Holte and painting the whole brick wall there with a claret and blue mural or some sort of artwork then the appearance from elsewhere could be quite impressive.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 29, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
Also, why do what Dortmund are doing?

Because it's bloody fantastic!
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Harte on March 29, 2018, 09:03:39 PM
Also, why do what Dortmund are doing?

Because it's bloody fantastic!
It is fantastic, but why not do something slightly different but equally or possibly more fantastic?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 29, 2018, 09:05:12 PM
Also, why do what Dortmund are doing?

Because it's bloody fantastic!
It is fantastic, but why not do something slightly different but equally or possibly more fantastic?

Like?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Chris Harte on March 29, 2018, 09:10:36 PM
Also, why do what Dortmund are doing?

Because it's bloody fantastic!
It is fantastic, but why not do something slightly different but equally or possibly more fantastic?

Like?
Well I just gave one idea on the fly above.

As good as the Dortmund displays are, they are not the only club to do something of that kind. Think of games in Spain, or by clubs in Italy (Milan derbies spring to mind), even those green and white hoop wearers in Scotland. There are other impressive possibilites. Lets do something impressive that doesn't just get "they're copying Dortmund"-type comments from spiteful fans of other clubs.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
What do my colleagues on H&V think of this?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/3997291.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

Something like that for the Trinity. It would be cheap enough to do and a massive improvement over what we have right now.

https://i2-prod.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article11210558.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS27035470.jpg

Thoughts.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 29, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
It's not the displays Dortmund do that I like. It's the fact that they've just got a massive single tier stand behind the goal. It looks fantastic.

I'm not sure how we could put in a massive single tier stand behind the goal without it looking like the Dortmund one.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 29, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
I'm pretty sure Spurs are putting in a single tier behind one of the goals in the new White Hart Lane.

Liverpool would've done it aswell if they'd moved ground.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2018, 10:37:02 PM
We had one tier behind the goal before Dortmund did so they copied us.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2018, 10:39:30 PM
We sacrificed making the Holte End a single tier due to accommodating hospitality boxes, most of them usually empty, otherwise it would have matched the Dortmund mountain of humanity. More's the pity.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 29, 2018, 10:55:39 PM
We sacrificed making the Holte End a single tier due to accommodating hospitality boxes, most of them usually empty, otherwise it would have matched the Dortmund mountain of humanity. More's the pity.

 No we didn't. It couldn't be a single tier because of distance from the pitch, and also because single tier stands look cheap and nasty.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: London Villan on March 29, 2018, 11:01:19 PM
Liverpool have a single tier behind goal stand. Itís about 11k-12k of seats. Spursí version will be 15k.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2018, 11:02:14 PM
Liverpool have a single tier behind goal stand. Itís about 11k-12k of seats. Spursí version will be 15k.

I think the new Spurs one looks great.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 29, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
We sacrificed making the Holte End a single tier due to accommodating hospitality boxes, most of them usually empty, otherwise it would have matched the Dortmund mountain of humanity. More's the pity.

Hospitality boxes on the Holte?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
We sacrificed making the Holte End a single tier due to accommodating hospitality boxes, most of them usually empty, otherwise it would have matched the Dortmund mountain of humanity. More's the pity.

 No we didn't. It couldn't be a single tier because of distance from the pitch, and also because single tier stands look cheap and nasty.
Distance issue could have been solved by making it steeper. Cheap and nasty? That's a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 29, 2018, 11:27:05 PM
It couldn't be a single tier because of distance from the pitch, and also because single tier stands look cheap and nasty.
Distance issue could have been solved by making it steeper. Cheap and nasty? That's a matter of opinion.
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That's what the designers and the regulations said at the time and all this let's be like Dortmund talk forgets one thing - no club in England has got an end like Dortmund. This isn't Germany.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on March 30, 2018, 06:19:29 AM
all this let's be like Dortmund talk forgets one thing - no club in England has got an end like Dortmund. This isn't Germany.

What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 30, 2018, 07:02:50 AM
all this let's be like Dortmund talk forgets one thing - no club in England has got an end like Dortmund. This isn't Germany.

What does that even mean?

You can't stand up here, for one thing.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on March 30, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
I think that Park Head looks meh inside and out. Some big mesh curtain won't improve the Trinity.

I would well.imagine that the aspect the photo has been taken from would see a new North wrap round from there so chances are in in 3 years time it will look completely different.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithe on March 30, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
What do my colleagues on H&V think of this?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/3997291.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

Something like that for the Trinity. It would be cheap enough to do and a massive improvement over what we have right now.

https://i2-prod.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article11210558.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS27035470.jpg

Thoughts.

I dont like that at all.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 30, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
It doesn't look like much of an improvement. I don't like them very much, but the Zombies clearly have the most attractive stadium in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 30, 2018, 07:53:20 PM
Where are the Hospitality boxes in the Holte out of interest?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: FatSam on March 31, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
No we didn't. It couldn't be a single tier because of distance from the pitch, and also because single tier stands look cheap and nasty.

I think what you are getting at is that at the time (post Taylor report) a lot of kop terraces were converted to seating with the minimum amount of work - pretty much just fixing seats directly to the existing terrace, like at Hillsborough. We were more ambitious and rebuilt the stand completely, seeking to improve sight lines and facilities etc. I'm not an expert but I don't think that it is the case that it couldn't be a single tier if re-built, more that the sight lines would be better if it wasn't. So I think that it is more a case of changing priorities from the immediate post Taylor report period to now. In my opinion something is lost by moving to a multi tiered stand - broadly the experience of being part of a mass of humanity. Of course, in the upper or lower Holte you are still part of a mass of humanity, just a smaller one.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Newby on March 31, 2018, 03:08:43 PM
Will we make any money from this?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Dazvillain on March 31, 2018, 09:42:15 PM
Are there any links or pics of what Dr Tony has completed with stadia in Far East anywhere ?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 31, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Where are the Hospitality boxes in the Holte out of interest?

I assume this refers to the bricked up / boarded up sections at the back of the Holte Lower. It looks like they intended to install boxes but never got round to opening them.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 31, 2018, 10:11:49 PM
Where are the Hospitality boxes in the Holte out of interest?

I assume this refers to the bricked up / boarded up sections at the back of the Holte Lower. It looks like they intended to install boxes but never got round to opening them.

They're windows along the lower upper concourse, aren't they?

I've not been to VP for other events, but I believe they're unshuttered for those, so normal non-football folks can look out on the pitch whilst enjoying a drink.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ads on April 01, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
It was Ramsay's bar. The concourse is now all opened up and they keep the shutters down, but theyd be open until 15 minutes before kick off. Configuration of the lower Upper Holte concourse (that's right peasants, we have two concourses) must have changed 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 03, 2019, 03:16:33 PM
Apologies for digging up an old thread but it seems Villa Park won't now be a Commonwealth Games venue because the 2022/23 season will need to start early because of the timings of the Qatar World Cup.

Birmingham 2022: Villa Park no longer a Commonwealth Games host venue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/49563621
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: KevinGage on September 03, 2019, 03:21:20 PM
It doesn't look like much of an improvement. I don't like them very much, but the Zombies clearly have the most attractive stadium in Glasgow.

I like how they've finished the corners opposite the main stand. Still seperate stands but enclosed. Corners of our ground could be improved. They look a bit of an afterthought at the moment, not in keeping with the rest of the ground.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 03, 2019, 03:35:03 PM
Apologies for digging up an old thread but it seems Villa Park won't now be a Commonwealth Games venue because the 2022/23 season will need to start early because of the timings of the Qatar World Cup.

Birmingham 2022: Villa Park no longer a Commonwealth Games host venue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/49563621

I don't really see the logic of this. Think we were only due to host the Rugby Sevens, which only takes a weekend. The Commonwealth Games schedule will be known well in advance of the football fixtures being decided so no reason whatsoever why the league couldn't have just ensured that we were away from home that weekend.

Was thinking of going to the Sevens but fuck going Coventry.... a terrible ground in the middle of nowhere for those who travel by public transport.

It does also seem to suggest that they are fairly confident that the Ricoh still won't be hosting a football team in three years, which might be of some concern to Coventry fans.

And in any case what if Wasps are at home?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: fbriai on September 03, 2019, 03:44:00 PM
I'd assumed it was as much to do with ensuring the preparation of the pitch goes unhindered as anything else, CD. I imagine they are a bit more lax about it at the Ricoh.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 03, 2019, 04:53:21 PM
Maybe. Maybe Villa have other plans for the stadium that summer, too.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2019, 06:40:15 PM
Apologies for digging up an old thread but it seems Villa Park won't now be a Commonwealth Games venue because the 2022/23 season will need to start early because of the timings of the Qatar World Cup.

Birmingham 2022: Villa Park no longer a Commonwealth Games host venue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/49563621 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/49563621)

I don't really see the logic of this. Think we were only due to host the Rugby Sevens, which only takes a weekend. The Commonwealth Games schedule will be known well in advance of the football fixtures being decided so no reason whatsoever why the league couldn't have just ensured that we were away from home that weekend.

Was thinking of going to the Sevens but fuck going Coventry.... a terrible ground in the middle of nowhere for those who travel by public transport.

It does also seem to suggest that they are fairly confident that the Ricoh still won't be hosting a football team in three years, which might be of some concern to Coventry fans.

And in any case what if Wasps are at home?

The rugby season doesn't usually start until September which leaves 3-4 weeks after the commonwealths to get the pitch back ready for them. For Villa the league will have started by then and the ground will be setup for football and advertising, which would all need to be changed and then changed back. The alternative would be a few away games at the start of the season but I'm not a fan of that.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2019, 12:48:17 AM


This is how I want to celebrate if/when we rebuild the North or move to a new stadium. Estudiantes new stadium opening.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: JD on November 13, 2019, 07:30:29 AM


This is how I want to celebrate if/when we rebuild the North or move to a new stadium. Estudiantes new stadium opening.

That is brilliant. Amazing.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on November 13, 2019, 10:46:36 PM


This is how I want to celebrate if/when we rebuild the North or move to a new stadium. Estudiantes new stadium opening.

That is brilliant. Amazing.
Wtf have i just watched?
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 14, 2019, 06:01:41 AM
It's worth pointing out that, as far as I know, that was all a CGI film including the stadium and crowd, and was shown on screens rather than people in the stadium saw the lion.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on November 14, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
It's worth pointing out that, as far as I know, that was all a CGI film including the stadium and crowd, and was shown on screens rather than people in the stadium saw the lion.
Now it makes sense. Not that good then for cgi! The lion wasn't very well done and i've no idea what the message was.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: IFWaters on November 16, 2019, 08:17:17 AM


This is how I want to celebrate if/when we rebuild the North or move to a new stadium. Estudiantes new stadium opening.

That is brilliant. Amazing.
Wtf have i just watched?

Could we have the same for a rebuilt North Stand and then in a celebratory match aginst BCFC have the lion breathe fire onto the pokey away section (CGI only of course)
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 16, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
Apparently weíre replacing the big screens at Villa Park in time for the Newcastle game. Assuming theyíre gonna be bigger and better than the existing ones??
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: in exile on November 17, 2019, 08:16:15 AM
Apparently weíre replacing the big screens at Villa Park in time for the Newcastle game. Assuming theyíre gonna be bigger and better than the existing ones??

I think these are the screens outside the ground
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: purpletrousers on November 17, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Apparently weíre replacing the big screens at Villa Park in time for the Newcastle game. Assuming theyíre gonna be bigger and better than the existing ones??

I think these are the screens outside the ground

Thatís a shame if so. Iíd thought Iíd read (could be wrong?) we upgraded the internal screens close season (to be VAR complaint or something) and was pretty unimpressed if so.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 17, 2019, 11:21:30 AM
Apparently weíre replacing the big screens at Villa Park in time for the Newcastle game. Assuming theyíre gonna be bigger and better than the existing ones??

I think these are the screens outside the ground

Thatís a shame if so. Iíd thought Iíd read (could be wrong?) we upgraded the internal screens close season (to be VAR complaint or something) and was pretty unimpressed if so.

I think they were supposed to be upgraded pre season but it didnít happen for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: KRS on November 17, 2019, 05:52:16 PM
I donít there can be ďVAR compliantĒ screens when both Man Utd and Liverpool donít have any at all.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 17, 2019, 07:16:22 PM
Apparently weíre replacing the big screens at Villa Park in time for the Newcastle game. Assuming theyíre gonna be bigger and better than the existing ones??

I think these are the screens outside the ground

June 2019

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Substantial work is being undertaken at this time to achieve this. We are already advanced with our plans to improve the PA system in this timeframe and we will also be replacing the in-stadium big screens this summer.

November 2019

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Update on when the screens will be fitted.

The screen in Doug Ellis/North Stand corner is being replaced, repositioned and will be operational from our next match versus Newcastle on Mon 25th November. The screen in Holte End/Trinity Road Stand corner will be replaced and operational from our match versus Leicester City on Sunday 8th December.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: in exile on November 18, 2019, 08:19:22 AM
The only reason I said I thought they were he out of ground screens is that I have seen pictures of the new frame for a screen being put up at the corner of the Witton and the North Stand
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: The Edge on November 19, 2019, 09:43:31 PM
A massive new screen being hoisted into place today at the corner of North Stand and Witton Lane.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 19, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
A massive new screen being hoisted into place today at the corner of North Stand and Witton Lane.

As a result I understand all VAR decisions will only be positive ones for us going forward.
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Nev on November 20, 2019, 06:48:12 AM
A morose atmosphere hung heavy in the car following a defeat away at Newcastle. As we sat patiently in the traffic I tried to lift the mood by stating that the brand new screens recently installed at Villa Park would be working for the first time at the next home game. There came only one reply, dripping with sarcasm and loaded with the prospect of a 4 hour journey home:

"Cock-a-fuckin-doodle-do"
Title: Re: Villa Park Changes & Commonwealth Games
Post by: Ad@m on November 20, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
I donít there can be ďVAR compliantĒ screens when both Man Utd and Liverpool donít have any at all.

Ah, but "VAR compliant" at Old Trafford and Anfield means "the home team always gets the decision", thus screens aren't really necessary!
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