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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Marlon From Bearwood on November 24, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
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So Bruce has confirmed in today's press conference that we're looking at loans again during the January window due to FFP restrictions. With strikers now being a desperate priority, who could we reasonably get, that would make a difference?
Crouch's name keeps popping up, Ings too, and I've also heard Charlie Austin mentioned. There's also talk of Bruce seeking a bargain from abroad. This could be a massive window but we really need players to hit the ground running, which didn't really happen with last January's signings.
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I don't quite understand howthis is right, what about the money we've got from the Amavi deal?
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Danny Ings
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Danny Ings
Is he even alive?
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If we are desperate....Eoin Doyle ?
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We desperately need someone who can lead the line to take a bit of pressure off Davis.
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Crouch would be ideal loan move
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Ulloa loan til summer
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I don't quite understand howthis is right, what about the money we've got from the Amavi deal?
I guess that was accounted for in balancing the books. He was always going to go, but it took a bit longer than first thought.
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I'm sure if the club consulted the accountants on here we wouldn't be restricted by the FFP restrictions.
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Crouch would be good but can’t see Stoke letting him go anywhere on loan - why would they? Austin might not be a bad idea.
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The Amavi fee and wages probably gives us more wiggle room than Bruce is letting on.
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Crouch would be good but can’t see Stoke letting him go anywhere on loan - why would they? Austin might not be a bad idea.
Didn't Austin have a chance to join us in our annual horribilis and decided against it ? I'm not sure he's the answer.
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I don't quite understand howthis is right, what about the money we've got from the Amavi deal?
I guess that was accounted for in balancing the books. He was always going to go, but it took a bit longer than first thought.
It can't be because there was no guarantee to it, the way FFP is restructured means it will only have come into things when OM confirmed they were taking up the option but we were told we were clear on FFP over a month before that.
I think Ads is right but also that Bruce is still under orders to reduce the size of the squad, we just have too many players who contribute nothing.
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why the Crouch love in? Aren't we already Dad's Army enough? Ings would be worth a punt I think.
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We need somebody to come in and have the effect Bent had for that half a season. Do that and I'd back us to get in the top 2 from here. Maybe another centre half but I'd imagine that would be more difficult as a loan.
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why the Crouch love in? Aren't we already Dad's Army enough? Ings would be worth a punt I think.
Ings would indeed be a punt. Very good player, but two hideous injuries mean a) his confidence must be horribly shot b) even though we could return him if they recurred we'd have shot our bolt if he broke down after January.
Austin seems a good idea though.
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but isn't he just as fragile?
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Crouch is still great in the premier league.
Would be amazed if Stoke let him go.
We're more likely to get Berahino but that would be an awful move.
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Ulloa is a good shout, someone who can be a prescence up front and bring others in to the game. Shane Long also mentioned, has goals in him but not played consistently for a good while, same as Charlie Austin.
We do need someone to take the pressure off Davis though, and also if he gets injured we will be knackered.
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Ulloa on loan maybe if he isn't getting games at Leicester
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What is Grant Holt doing these days?
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What is Grant Holt doing these days?
Being managed by Ian Culverhouse at Kings Lynn.
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Ulloa is a good shout, someone who can be a prescence up front and bring others in to the game. Shane Long also mentioned, has goals in him but not played consistently for a good while, same as Charlie Austin.
We do need someone to take the pressure off Davis though, and also if he gets injured we will be knackered.
Ulloa and/or Long would be a better fit than the likes of Austin or Ings.
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Out?
Mad Tom
The former footballer Micah Richards
Bunn
Cheese boy (loan)
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i like cheese boy even though it looks like he's toast
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Loan back to Barnsley.
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Messi has signed a new deal at Barca however I doubt it if his £620M buy out clause will phase Dr Xia😟
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Ulloa would be superb with how we play
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Benik Afobe. Been told by Bournemouth he can leave. I'd make a move for that striker on the bench for Palace yesterday, Benteke😉
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
But he's a man barely alive ...
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
But he's a man barely alive ...
Wouldn't be the first one of them we have signed.
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
But he's a man barely alive ...
We can rebuild him!!
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Benik Afobe. Been told by Bournemouth he can leave. I'd make a move for that striker on the bench for Palace yesterday, Benteke😉
Would be great, but I've got a feeling future Premier and Champions League winners Wolves would be interested as well.
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in Afobe or Benteke?
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I don't understand why people think Palace would let him go out on loan?
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in Afobe or Benteke?
Well both, but seeing as Afobe used to play there and is still quite highly regarded by some the Wolves fans I know, it might be an option.
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We can't spend big money. Maybe we could agree a loan with a deal that we sign someone permanently if we go up?
Not necessarily Benteke, I think that's a pipe dream, just speaking generally.
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We can't spend big money. Maybe we could agree a loan with a deal that we sign someone permanently if we go up?
Not necessarily Benteke, I think that's a pipe dream, just speaking generally.
Agree and think a deal like that for someone like Afobe would be a possibility.
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I don't understand why people think Palace would let him go out on loan?
Get a high earner off the wage bill in order to get someone else in? Just as we did with Veretout.
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
But he's a man barely alive ...
We can rebuild him!!
We HAVE the technology ...
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Austin scored two for S,hampton today, doubt they would let him go.
Long came on as sub and they were quoting some long period (forgot detail) since he last scored.
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Ulloa or Afobe would be great.
Somebody mentioned Austin but said he is 'fragile'. But the great thing about Austin is that you can rebuild him to be better, stronger and faster. We would also know exactly what his price would be once we converted it into pounds.
But he's a man barely alive ...
We can rebuild him!!
We HAVE the technology ...
We can make him better than he was.
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Benik Afobe. Been told by Bournemouth he can leave. I'd make a move for that striker on the bench for Palace yesterday, Benteke😉
Eddie Howe has a very mixed record in the transfer market
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Austin scored two for S,hampton today, doubt they would let him go.
Long came on as sub and they were quoting some long period (forgot detail) since he last scored.
Just google when he last played us.
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Austin won't be joining us ....again.
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Sell Lansbury, buy a striker. Bingo
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Sell Richards. Not that anyone is buying but please, sell Richards or loan him out or something.
Its not even the money any more, he is like the ghost of christmas past at the club.
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Amortisation init. if we sell him for 2m, we'll bankrupt the club. We need more players like Gabby and Richards to see out their contracts, not selling them while they still have some worth.
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Is that right? I have no idea how that works. Its like revenue recognition. My eyes glaze over when the CFO starts droning on about it.
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yep ask chicago lion. if we sell Lansbury for 2m , we've made a 1m loss. from now on we only sell players for a profit 8)
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There is stupid, and then there is bat shit crazy, I can’t be proved wrong stupid.
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you just told me selling hogan for a loss would show a loss on FFP. Is lansbury exempt?
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I thought losses under ffp were just a simple net of spent and income? First time I’ve ever heard that we literally have to write down an asset if we sell them for a loss
Or to put it another way, if we need to raise £5m to spend £5m, I didn’t think it made a difference whether we do so from selling Hogan or from selling Green
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I thought losses under ffp were just a simple net of spent and income? First time I’ve ever heard that we literally have to write down an asset if we sell them for a loss
Or to put it another way, if we need to raise £5m to spend £5m, I didn’t think it made a difference whether we do so from selling Hogan or from selling Green
yep if it isn't we're completely fucked because there's not a player we'd want to sell who we'd get a profit on what we paid.
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Hugill at PNE is a very hot property at the moment (he scored the second at VP last season). I am reliably informed he could be attracted by a fee of circa £6M plus Green and Davies as makeweights).
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Hugill at PNE is a very hot property at the moment (he scored the second at VP last season). I am reliably informed he could be attracted by a fee of circa £6M plus Green and Davies as makeweights).
Ha ha good one....
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Hugill at PNE is a very hot property at the moment (he scored the second at VP last season). I am reliably informed he could be attracted by a fee of circa £6M plus Green and Davies as makeweights).
Elphick and Henri and we might be interested!
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Not seen Hugill, but they are not having Brian. Not for sale.
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Anything we make on Gabby and Richards would be a book profit because we didn't pay for them, same with any of the youngsters. The latter is the reason it wouldn't surprise me if Bruce tries to push Grealish out in Jan. It's also probably why he let Baker go. On top of that We have to have made book profits on Amavi and we were told in the summer that we were on course to pass. At that point the Amavi transfer was due to complete after the season was finished according to any report I can find so it wouldn't have been counted in.
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I’m really not sure this analysis is right.
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Does anyone know the facts about all this shit? Who's our CFO now that Robin Russell left? Let's get 'im on here.
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Not sure if this has been covered before in another thread perhaps - and apologies if it has - but this table (I think) shows the limitations on losses over a 3 yr rolling period. I seem to remember at the end of last season (our first in the Champ.) the figure of £83 mill was mentioned - which would be as per the bottom line in the table. And I think we squeezed in by a couple of mill.
At the end of this season, the losses counted would be the last 2 seasons + estimates for this season - no? And max losses reduces to £61 mill. A lot would surely depend on how much we lost in our penultimate PL season - which is the season that would now not be counted.
Basically its £35 mill for any season of the three spent in the PL and £13 mill for any season of the three spent in the Championship - so 35+13+13 = 61
Obviously, depreciating transfer fees will have been factored into the club accounts anyway
(https://i.imgur.com/xrzr1XI.jpg?2)
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Having just ghosted a freinds online accountancy course, I think this is the process:
Players initial value is what we paid for him - we may well pay it all up front or in stages - but the asset is depreciated over it's life - obviously for a footballer, this may well be the length of his initial contract - lets say 5 years. each year his value to the club ( as an 'asset') is reduced by £1.8 mill
So if we sell a player after 2 years for more than we paid for him we are 'guaranteed' to make a profit - because his initial 'value' ( aka Fee Paid) is reduced by those 2 years 'depeciation'
Profit = Fee received-(Fee paid-depreciation)
I am prepared to be corrected....LOL
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Thanks SirSteveUK!
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
He had one good year at Boro. He's been utter shite at Middlesbrough. A friend of mine works for Burnley. I was told a few months ago that Bamford has his rent paid for whilst he was on loan and even had his TV licence paid for. True story.
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years. We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise. If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them. We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years. We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise. If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them. We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.
Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?
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of course he looked great against us when they dumped us out of the cup!
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years. We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise. If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them. We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.
Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?
He's exactly the right type of player. People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years. We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise. If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them. We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.
Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?
He's exactly the right type of player. People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.
He looked a right handful when he came on for England. And I imagine he'd love it for half a season if were pressing for promotion. Sounds worth a shot to me.
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what about Bamford on loan until the end of the season? Hardly gets a kick at Boro
God no, we've made the mistake of going for players who've been shit for 2-3 years (but were good before) far too many times in the last few years. We aren't a rehab centre and we do a shit job when we try to pretend otherwise. If we sign anyone this window I either want a kid who's on the up or an established, mid-20s player who put that 2nd/3rd season blip behind them. We don't need anyone who doesn't fit those 2.
Dominic Solanke from Liverpool, perhaps?
He's exactly the right type of player. People on here often talk about how difficult it is to turn around a team but then suggest players who are on a similar downward cycle in th ehope that we cpould turn them around, that's just as difficult and the likes of Richards should serve as fair warning.
He looked a right handful when he came on for England. And I imagine he'd love it for half a season if were pressing for promotion. Sounds worth a shot to me.
He came to mind because Klopp did an interview last week stating that Solanke wouldn't be rushed into their first team. I'd take Solanke in a heartbeat. Would be great to see him link up with Onomah.
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Mail reporting we are in for Leon Clark at Sheffield. I suspect its bollocks. But if not, whilst he is on good form and it would be nice to weaken a rival, is a 32 year old journeyman really what we are after? It would sound like our previous strategy of just buying the highest scorer in the league and hope it works.
<Edit> - not the Mail, Football Insider. So file on rubbish and as you were.
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Peter Crouch has signed a new deal so no loan deal for him methinks?
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Ulloa on loan would be a decent signing.
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Danny Ings
and Lambert.
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Ulloa on loan would be a decent signing.
A friend of mine described him as the Argentinian Kozak.
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Uploaded would be good. Fits the bill. I was looking at the strikers who might be 'spare' at clubs at the top of the premier league and it's pretty thin. James Wilson at Man Utd and China Akpom at Arsenal have hardly set the world alight on loan in the championship before.
The problem is, too young and no reliable track record, too old you wonder if they can still do it and in-between, why aren't they playing in their own team ? Probably 25-30 with championship experience would be ideal but you wonder if anyone can come in and be guaranteed to have the attitude to put themselves above and beyond to get us promoted.
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The Meaning Evil reports that we are interested in a striker named Flamur Kastrati who plays in Norway for Sandefjord. Signing him could turn out to be the high note of our season.............Godzvilla! ( getting coat ).
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The Meaning Evil reports that we are interested in a striker named Flamur Kastrati who plays in Norway for Sandefjord. Signing him could turn out to be the high note of our season.............Godzvilla! ( getting coat ).
The very name does not inspire much enthusiasm; if indeed it is not a wind-up.
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The Meaning Evil reports that we are interested in a striker named Flamur Kastrati who plays in Norway for Sandefjord. Signing him could turn out to be the high note of our season.............Godzvilla! ( getting coat ).
The very name does not inspire much enthusiasm; if indeed it is not a wind-up.
He speaks highly of you.
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'Kastrati'? I'd have thought a player with no balls is the last thing any team would want
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'Kastrati'? I'd have thought a player with no balls is the last thing any team would want
Probably more suited to a team with a pair of bollocks for a badge.
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'Kastrati'? I'd have thought a player with no balls is the last thing any team would want
Well well anther arrives from down the road ::)
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The Meaning Evil reports that we are interested in a striker named Flamur Kastrati who plays in Norway for Sandefjord. Signing him could turn out to be the high note of our season.............Godzvilla! ( getting coat ).
The very name does not inspire much enthusiasm; if indeed it is not a wind-up.
Looks like a powerful Lad , the question is, would having this Kosovan player be a Eunuch experience for the Villa ?.
" Flamur Kastrati (born 14 November 1991) is a Kosovar footballer who plays as a forward for Sandefjord. Kastrati is of Kosovar-Albanian descent and grew up in Norway. He has represented Norway at youth international level from under-15 to under-21 level, but has stated that he wants to represent Kosovo at international level."
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The Meaning Evil reports that we are interested in a striker named Flamur Kastrati who plays in Norway for Sandefjord. Signing him could turn out to be the high note of our season.............Godzvilla! ( getting coat ).
The very name does not inspire much enthusiasm; if indeed it is not a wind-up.
He speaks highly of you.
👏
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'Kastrati'? I'd have thought a player with no balls is the last thing any team would want
Probably more suited to a team with a pair of bollocks for a badge.
Ha Ha.
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Had two separate Swansea fans say to me over the weekend that Oliver McBurnie (I had to google him as well) has agreed to join us in Jan. Express and Star are mentioning it now as well. Though they downplay it. We're only considering a loan move, according to them.
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Is he relatedness to Boaty McBoatface?
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Aye, or could be one of those players who spawns in the latter seasons of Champ Manager.
Zinedine Vassell? Time to stop playing this.
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Had two separate Swansea fans say to me over the weekend that Oliver McBurnie (I had to google him as well) has agreed to join us in Jan. Express and Star are mentioning it now as well. Though they downplay it. We're only considering a loan move, according to them.
well i hope this is bollocks because a 21 year old with no scoring record whatsoever doesn't really address our problems
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Yeah it would be going from one extreme to the other by signing 2 of the Championships highest goal scorers, in McCormack and Hogan, to a young striker that has only played 51 games and scored 10 goals. We need to sign a consistent and proven goal scorer if we’re to push for one of the automatic places, so hopefully this will turn out to be just nonsense paper talk.
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Yeah it would be going from one extreme to the other by signing 2 of the Championships highest goal scorers, in McCormack and Hogan, to a young striker that has only played 51 games and scored 10 goals. We need to sign a consistent and proven goal scorer if we’re to push for one of the automatic places, so hopefully this will turn out to be just nonsense paper talk.
Well I'd argue given your examples a 'proven' goal scorer is exactly what we don't need.
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Surely what we need is somebody to do a similar job to Davis so that him being unavailable does not mean changing how we play too much. Of course that migh not be possible in the loan market and we have to look at an alternative.
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Surely what we need is somebody to do a similar job to Davis so that him being unavailable does not mean changing how we play too much. Of course that migh not be possible in the loan market and we have to look at an alternative.
A similar job with the added benefit of a few goals would be nice. We can't go on relying on Albert all season.
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Surely what we need is somebody to do a similar job to Davis so that him being unavailable does not mean changing how we play too much. Of course that migh not be possible in the loan market and we have to look at an alternative.
Agree and Bruce has been quoted as saying this in articles over recent weeks.
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Shane Long would be perfect in the holding and grafting role
Might be a chance now Austin has returned to the 1st team
Bruce had him at Hull I think also + our Irish connections maybe able to sway him
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Shane Long would be perfect in the holding and grafting role
Might be a chance now Austin has returned to the 1st team
Bruce had him at Hull I think also + our Irish connections maybe able to sway him
He would be ideal, but I guess there might be takers in the Premier League.
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Longy hasn't scored for a long period of time. I don't see him much as a striker of goals and certainly don't see him suiting Bruce's style. In theory yes in practice no.
Personally I would really like to see Ulloa from Leicester loan till end of season. Decent in air able on ground and can do the job. If long comes in would want Ulloa by him. I notice abel hernandez is out of contract end of season has a ghastly injury at this moment but would like to finally get hands on him. Maybe when winters window opens instead of 20 mil can be snapped up in a pre contract for the summer
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Always liked Shane Long, work rate is very good, think he could be a useful addition
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Long is a no for me, he's 30 and has a Gabby like record over the last couple of seasons. I think him playing well against us has blinded people to just how poor he is.
Ulloa I'd take on a loan if we had no other option but nothing longer, he's never really been a goalscorer and he's been a bit part player for nearly 2 years now.
Hernandez is a no because by the time he's fit we'll have Kodjia, Hogan, Gabby and RHM all available which completely misses the point. The only reason to go for him would be to get him in ahead of next season but I think that would be a huge error because he was out of his depth in the premier league and we shouldn't be signing people based on still being in the championship next season.
No to the kid from Swansea as well, a 21 year old who's never scored at a level above league 2 is too big a risk.
Crouch on loan I'm less excited than many on here but I can see the sense to it but I doubt he's available.
Solanki would be a superb loan, both for him and for us, but I suspect if he's available he'll end up in the premier league, he's looked good at Vitesse and for England at various levels.
I think that covers all the names I've seen mentioned. I'd prefer to see someone with enough ability/pedigree/experience to not instantly be in the reserves when people are fit but also with enough room to develop that they wouldn't be ruined by that happening.
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Long is a no for me, he's 30 and has a Gabby like record over the last couple of seasons. I think him playing well against us has blinded people to just how poor he is.
Ulloa I'd take on a loan if we had no other option but nothing longer, he's never really been a goalscorer and he's been a bit part player for nearly 2 years now.
Hernandez is a no because by the time he's fit we'll have Kodjia, Hogan, Gabby and RHM all available which completely misses the point. The only reason to go for him would be to get him in ahead of next season but I think that would be a huge error because he was out of his depth in the premier league and we shouldn't be signing people based on still being in the championship next season.
No to the kid from Swansea as well, a 21 year old who's never scored at a level above league 2 is too big a risk.
Crouch on loan I'm less excited than many on here but I can see the sense to it but I doubt he's available.
Solanki would be a superb loan, both for him and for us, but I suspect if he's available he'll end up in the premier league, he's looked good at Vitesse and for England at various levels.
I think that covers all the names I've seen mentioned. I'd prefer to see someone with enough ability/pedigree/experience to not instantly be in the reserves when people are fit but also with enough room to develop that they wouldn't be ruined by that happening.
I agree with much of your assessment. But shopping in the loan window I think we will be hunting for scraps and probably won't be able to be this discerning.
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Shane Long hasn't scored in a while because we haven't been there to help kick start his season. I think he'd do really well in the Championship and it would be great to have him score for us and not against us.
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Long is a no for me, he's 30 and has a Gabby like record over the last couple of seasons. I think him playing well against us has blinded people to just how poor he is.
Ulloa I'd take on a loan if we had no other option but nothing longer, he's never really been a goalscorer and he's been a bit part player for nearly 2 years now.
Hernandez is a no because by the time he's fit we'll have Kodjia, Hogan, Gabby and RHM all available which completely misses the point. The only reason to go for him would be to get him in ahead of next season but I think that would be a huge error because he was out of his depth in the premier league and we shouldn't be signing people based on still being in the championship next season.
No to the kid from Swansea as well, a 21 year old who's never scored at a level above league 2 is too big a risk.
Crouch on loan I'm less excited than many on here but I can see the sense to it but I doubt he's available.
Solanki would be a superb loan, both for him and for us, but I suspect if he's available he'll end up in the premier league, he's looked good at Vitesse and for England at various levels.
I think that covers all the names I've seen mentioned. I'd prefer to see someone with enough ability/pedigree/experience to not instantly be in the reserves when people are fit but also with enough room to develop that they wouldn't be ruined by that happening.
I agree with much of your assessment. But shopping in the loan window I think we will be hunting for scraps and probably won't be able to be this discerning.
Indeed, but I still don't want us to do something stupid as a panic (like spending almost our entire budget on a guy who's about 5'7 and using him as a target man).
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I think I would take long, despite the poor goal record
We’re not likely to have bags of options
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I spoke to one of my customers today who's an agent and has close links to Swansea, I asked about their lad who we've been linked with and he questioned whether he'd be good enough for us, he said he was very close to going to Barnsley on loan on deadline day.
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Does he share an agent with Bruce's son or something? Seems an odd link.
I don't know about Long. He's usually lively even when notnscoring, and chases lots of lost causes when playing for Ireland but his confidence must be shot to bits having not scored in nine months. Unless he hit the ground running he could go the way of Hogan.
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Shane Long has never really been a prolific goal scorer...apart from one season, he usually averages a goal every 4 games. His work rate may be useful to a team in the Championship but I doubt he'll ever be the kind of player that you can rely on to score and win you games. We've got enough non-scoring strikers in the squad already.
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David Villa on loan ? MLS season is over.
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Long would do a good job of bring the midfield into play but he's never going to be available in January so it's a non starter. I would like to see us actually scout and find a big fast beast of a striker in Europe. Bristol City seem to have found another one, Cardiff have a couple. The guy at Wolves only cost 3.5million and has 13 this season. They are out there and are not going to kill us on FFP, rather than take a pretty average youth player from a poor prem side.
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David Villa on loan ? MLS season is over.
This might sound a bit nuts and probably a non starter anyway but Altidore at TFC playing in the Championship would be a better fit than Villa. He’s not a PL footballer but he’s much improved from the player he was at Sunderland and Hull. Big and strong, he’s done really well in MLS.
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Would Long really be that different than Hogan? I like Long but I am not sure the way we play really suits him.
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Oh god. Not him. Who was in love with him on here!??
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David Villa on loan ? MLS season is over.
This might sound a bit nuts and probably a non starter anyway but Altidore at TFC playing in the Championship would be a better fit than Villa. He’s not a PL footballer but he’s much improved from the player he was at Sunderland and Hull. Big and strong, he’s done really well in MLS.
Ha! Good one, mate.😂
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Kaka is available as a free agent.
Played his last game for Orlando City in November.
24 appearances this year, 6 goals, 5 assists (hate that term).
Could tee up David Villa nicely.
Just think of the shirt sales.
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Kaka is available as a free agent.
Played his last game for Orlando City in November.
24 appearances this year, 6 goals, 5 assists (hate that term).
Could tee up David Villa nicely.
Just think of the shirt sales.
I've just had a trouser moment.
Pirlo also becomes a free agent in December.
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Kaka is available as a free agent.
Played his last game for Orlando City in November.
24 appearances this year, 6 goals, 5 assists (hate that term).
Could tee up David Villa nicely.
Just think of the shirt sales.
I've just had a trouser moment.
Pirlo also becomes a free agent in December.
We could always get the Ginger one from Brentford who has been a constant thorn in our paw.
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Shane Long has never really been a prolific goal scorer...apart from one season, he usually averages a goal every 4 games. His work rate may be useful to a team in the Championship but I doubt he'll ever be the kind of player that you can rely on to score and win you games. We've got enough non-scoring strikers in the squad already.
That one season was the last time he played in our division. His confidence is shot to bits alright, missed some real howlers in recent Irish games. Club level has been a disaster since Koeman left Southampton.
But at his worst he still gives pace up top which we badly need and also a decent physical presence to bring our key players from midfield into games. We certainly won't get that from Hogan or Gabby and Davis has really struggled of late. Loan move for Long until season end is a no brainer surely.
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Any chance we could get Ross McCormack back off loan? He seems to be doing ok at Melbourne (features quite prominently on their website). Ok, if not, any chance of persuading them, and maybe one or two other clubs borrowing our players, to convert the deals into permanent ones? Maybe that income could lift us out of the FP restrictions.
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He's due back in January. I don't think they will extend his loan as they are only allowed six foreigners and they have seven, the one he has replaced is due back from injury when McCormack's loan expires.
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David Villa on loan ? MLS season is over.
This might sound a bit nuts and probably a non starter anyway but Altidore at TFC playing in the Championship would be a better fit than Villa. He’s not a PL footballer but he’s much improved from the player he was at Sunderland and Hull. Big and strong, he’s done really well in MLS.
Because he's playing against players who aren't that good?
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At least he can't be 2phat anymo'.
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David Villa on loan ? MLS season is over.
This might sound a bit nuts and probably a non starter anyway but Altidore at TFC playing in the Championship would be a better fit than Villa. He’s not a PL footballer but he’s much improved from the player he was at Sunderland and Hull. Big and strong, he’s done really well in MLS.
Because he's playing against players who aren't that good?
The MLS isn’t as bad as it was. Has a number of good players/teams in it. It’s not PL standard by any stretch and I wouldn’t ever advocate him as a permanent signing at that level. But versus Championship teams, which I might argue isn’t that far removed from Eredvisie where he did very well in, I think having seen him several times now, he’d be just fine.
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Come on now, you've had your fun. Don't milk the joke.
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Come on now, you've had your fun. Don't milk the joke.
I have no idea what you’re on about. I’ve made my point and in doing so compared the qualities of the two leagues. If you care to debate it reasonably that’s absolutely fine.
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Sorry, you were being serious?
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He doesn't have a sense of humour
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He is also pretty much correct. My guess is he and to a lesser extent myself have seen more MLS games than most folks on the thread.
It really is a decent league with some Championship level players in it. Not sure David Villa is one of them mind (but I see no reason to disagree with him based on what he has seen), but for sure he is right about the MLS.
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Nobody was debating that David Villa is a good player. I was questioning his assertion that Blind Jozy Altidore would solve our problems.
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Oh. Well fair enough. Yeah Altidore ... I gotta disagree there Toronto.
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Shane Long may not be prolific but he's one of those pain in the arse strikers defenders hate. I wouldn't hate to see him at Villa for a bit.
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Oh. Well fair enough. Yeah Altidore ... I gotta disagree there Toronto.
That’s fine. I’ve seen two full seasons of him now. Plus when he plays for the US national team. He is a much better player today than the one that played in England a few years back. The way he took the goal last night that turned out to be the winning goal in the MLS Cup was superb. I’ll stress again he’s not PL quality but he’s more than good enough for the Championship. Players can improve with time and confidence. Players also get worse when they lose faith in their abilities- see Benteke as evidence of that. Altidore has matured a lot and is a better and more confident player as a result.
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
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The annals of H&V will show Altidore as a mere footnote along with Kevin Kyle. The majestic Reverser will ultimately reign supreme.
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Why would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
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Why would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
It's not in their control, he's owned by a different club.
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Why would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
It's not in their control, he's owned by a different club.
That I did not know. In that case, sod them, get him in.
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TWhy would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
It's not in their control, he's owned by a different club.
That I did not know. In that case, sod them, get him in.
Just read that back, it looked sarcastic - just relaying what I read this morning.
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TWhy would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
It's not in their control, he's owned by a different club.
That I did not know. In that case, sod them, get him in.
Just read that back, it looked sarcastic - just relaying what I read this morning.
I can assure you that no sarcasm was intended. If a viable option Grabban should certainly be being looked at.
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TWhy would a Sunderland side desperate for points loan out their best goalscorer?
It's not in their control, he's owned by a different club.
That I did not know. In that case, sod them, get him in.
Just read that back, it looked sarcastic - just relaying what I read this morning.
I can assure you that no sarcasm was intended. If a viable option Grabban should certainly be being looked at.
No, I meant my post looked sarcastic.
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The team will just about get by if we can bring in at least one target man. Options
Jordon Rhodes - would be the transfer deal of the last few years potentially - viability NIL.
Benteke - As others have mentioned he needs to be playing top division football before the world cup. - little chance
Robson Kanu - Not even good enough for our level.
Play Onomah as a striker - not good enough in the air and whilst he looks physically strong, his weakest performances have been against the likes of Blues who simply wanted to kick him off the pitch.
Jack Marriott - Peterborough - might be on Bruce's radar and could see him in the flesh in the cup
Eoin Doyle - Oldham not only does he score he also makes them.
Not an awful lot out there that is nailed on. Pity the likes of Defoe has started to score again.
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I like the idea of Ulloa. A very underrated forward.
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If we had any money I would suggest we need a couple of forwards preferably with a little pace. Ulloa would be ideal for how we play though if he was obtainable on loan.
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I don't think we will sign a forward. Hogan and/or Agbonlahor will have recovered and we'll decide that's enough to carry on. They'll then get injured within minutes of the transfer window closing.
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I don't think we will sign a forward. Hogan and/or Agbonlahor will have recovered and we'll decide that's enough to carry on. They'll then get injured within minutes of the transfer window closing.
Made me laugh although I shouldn't just in case.
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Erin Doyle could help our current situation for a small price in football terms.
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Charlie Wyke at Bradford, he's as good as Chris Wood
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Charlie Wyke at Bradford,..
Good call. He'd probably fit in immediately as Bradford play very similar football to us.
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Has somebody other than villakicks now mentioned Altidore? Can I suggest Jay Spearing?
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
Very good player. However he is not a hold up man and simply doesn't even bother trying to win anything in the air so we would have to play differently, which may not be so bad as we are going to have to change if Hogan is back regularly anyway.
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
He's no Jason Scotland.
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Charlie Wyke at Bradford,..
Good call. He'd probably fit in immediately as Bradford play very similar football to us.
´He certainly seems to have´the knack´, but then, they all do on youtube ........ .........Godzvilla!
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
Very good player. However he is not a hold up man and simply doesn't even bother trying to win anything in the air so we would have to play differently, which may not be so bad as we are going to have to change if Hogan is back regularly anyway.
He played against us recently didn't he? If so, I thought he led the line for them pretty well. From all the murmurings come out of B6, it's going to be a loan deal so we probably should be looking at someone who is currently out of favour in the top flight.
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
Very good player. However he is not a hold up man and simply doesn't even bother trying to win anything in the air so we would have to play differently, which may not be so bad as we are going to have to change if Hogan is back regularly anyway.
He played against us recently didn't he? If so, I thought he led the line for them pretty well. From all the murmurings come out of B6, it's going to be a loan deal so we probably should be looking at someone who is currently out of favour in the top flight.
Oh he played well, I think he is a good player. But if you get a chance to rewatch the game check him out. He literally doesn't even jump for balls and must receive it either back to goal on his feet for a quick return pass or into space for him to run onto, he doesn't hold up or dominate anywhere near as well as Davis. From what I can gather from Sunderland fans he is always that way. Not that its a bad way to play, heck I like it, but its not the way Bruce has us currently playing so we would need to adjust. Like I say I think he is similar to Hogan in the best way to play him.
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
Very good player. However he is not a hold up man and simply doesn't even bother trying to win anything in the air so we would have to play differently, which may not be so bad as we are going to have to change if Hogan is back regularly anyway.
He played against us recently didn't he? If so, I thought he led the line for them pretty well. From all the murmurings come out of B6, it's going to be a loan deal so we probably should be looking at someone who is currently out of favour in the top flight.
Oh he played well, I think he is a good player. But if you get a chance to rewatch the game check him out. He literally doesn't even jump for balls and must receive it either back to goal on his feet for a quick return pass or into space for him to run onto, he doesn't hold up or dominate anywhere near as well as Davis. From what I can gather from Sunderland fans he is always that way. Not that its a bad way to play, heck I like it, but its not the way Bruce has us currently playing so we would need to adjust. Like I say I think he is similar to Hogan in the best way to play him.
I agree with you regarding the type of player we need in January. We need a striker who can hold the ball up and make things difficult for defenders. As I said earlier, we are probably looking at a loan deal, which wouldn't be too bad as it will give us a chance to reassess at the end of the season.
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Lewis Grabban being linked online, another loan deal. 11 goals for Sunderland.
Very good player. However he is not a hold up man and simply doesn't even bother trying to win anything in the air so we would have to play differently, which may not be so bad as we are going to have to change if Hogan is back regularly anyway.
He played against us recently didn't he? If so, I thought he led the line for them pretty well. From all the murmurings come out of B6, it's going to be a loan deal so we probably should be looking at someone who is currently out of favour in the top flight.
You mean like Christian Benteke? ;)
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Dwight Gayle maybe an option? Proven at this level and has actually scored a few against decent teams in the premier league recently.
Wouldn't be a hold up man but could combine with Davis upfront I'm sure.
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Think we need an injection of pace. Green shouldn't be too far off.
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Dwight Gayle maybe an option? Proven at this level and has actually scored a few against decent teams in the premier league recently.
Wouldn't be a hold up man but could combine with Davis upfront I'm sure.
He's an option in that he exists, but there's more chance of my dead nan leading the Villa line come January than Dwight Gayle.
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Whether credible or not, Rumours this morning, linking us with Leonardo Ulloa from Leicester City , and Burnley’s Nahki Wells are probably far more realistic, in terms of who are targets should or will be..........................Godzvilla!
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Has somebody other than villakicks now mentioned Altidore? Can I suggest Jay Spearing?
Jay Spearing. He would be a great shout to use in a game of 'Culverhouse'. As for the January transfer window, Bruce's use of a combination of buys and loans in that period when he was managing Small Heath always impressed me.
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Heard stuff on Facebook today that Curtis Davies will be coming back as cover for Samba.
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Seems unlikely, given that he plays every game for Derby at the minute.
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Heard stuff on Facebook today that Curtis Davies will be coming back as cover for Samba.
I heard on Facebook that each 'like' = a prayer and that *insert any name here* is trying to get Facebook to remove a photo so everybody should share it.
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Why would Curtis Davies leave a perfectly good situation at Derby to come to us? Unless something has changed he starts for them next to Keogh and last time I checked was having a pretty good season. And he’s better than Samba.
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Whether credible or not, Rumours this morning, linking us with Leonardo Ulloa from Leicester City , and Burnley’s Nahki Wells are probably far more realistic, in terms of who are targets should or will be..........................Godzvilla!
Either of those two on loan until the end of the season would represent a good bit of business.
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I see that Ollie McBurnie, the Swansea striker has started following DR Tony on Twitter.
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I hope not. Wouldn't like to see Dr Tony leave for Swansea in January as we have little or no cover for Owners at the club.
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I see that Ollie McBurnie, the Swansea striker has started following DR Tony on Twitter.
And apparently tweeted “I am” when someone told him to “Join Villa”
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I'd rather have a young promising striker, than a Holt-type signing.
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Wells would be a good option as he is use to this league and would add some much needed pace to the side.
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Wells would be good. Good movement and pace.
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The curse will only be broken once Nakhi Wells joins us. Automatic promotion and a cup will follow in short order.
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McBurnie and Wells sounds good to me.
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He’s a very big lad is McBurnie
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I don't get the McBurnie link at all. Why do we want another kid who can't score? He may be a top player in 3 years time but then so may Davis so whats the point? We need someone with a record of scoring at this level NOW, not potential.
For what its worth, the mail linked us with Grabbon last night as well Ings, Wells, Ulloa etc..
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Because it is clear that, at least at this stage of his career, Davis can’t turn in consistent performances twice a week. We look better playing with a target man so some cover makes sense. Not that I’ve heard of him mind.
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That would be fine if the cover had any sort of pedigree at all. I realise we're not going to be bringing in someone for 10m, but even a loan should at least be a player who can do it at this level, not some youngster who can't get a game at the premiership's bottom club. In fact i'd question whether Swansea's reserves are any better than ours.. The club really needs to consider how much money we will lose from not gambling this transfer window and not getting promoted, and if it is really worth the difference in wages between the likes of McBurnie and someone who is more established
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Is a proven experienced goal scorer going to come in to be cover?
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The thing is, if we had a Lad with the physical attributes of McBurnie, scoring goals for fun in the Reserves, the fans be burning up Social media to get Bruce to pick him. If it's a 'loaner' deal and he comes in to back up or supplement Davies, then it makes sense, especially given our current ( FFP ) position.
As for buying a " proven Goalscorer ", the names, Mc Cormack & Hogan , come to mind..............Godzvilla!
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Is a proven experienced goal scorer going to come in to be cover?
Goals of course are important, but I think it is also important that whoever comes in is the type of striker who can hold the ball up and give defenders a tough time. If they can chip a few goals in here and there then all the better, but I think a player like that could bring out the best in and create chances for the likes of Snodgrass and Adomah.
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I'd rather have a young promising striker, than a Holt-type signing.
I'd rather have a 'Holt type' signing than signing Grant Holt. ;)
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I see that Ollie McBurnie, the Swansea striker has started following DR Tony on Twitter.
Perhaps he's a fan of 'Smart Cities', whatever the fuck they are.
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I see that Ollie McBurnie, the Swansea striker has started following DR Tony on Twitter.
Yeah that looks like it's been quitely agreed.
Alan Curtis who managed Swansea a bit last season, is now their loan development manager or something and he was quoted in the press as saying we were interested.
I would like a more experienced striker tbh but guess this is where FFP hurts us as we'd probably have to contribute to said players weekly wage.
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Wells on loan and a back up for Davis would really complement the squad.
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I ageee about Wells
Although he’s a different type of player. Suspect Bruce wants something more physical
Ooh yeah
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I ageee about Wells
Although he’s a different type of player. Suspect Bruce wants something more physical
Ooh yeah
He wants to hear someone's body talk.
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Is a proven experienced goal scorer going to come in to be cover?
Well i would hope there was someone who can't get a game at their club who has at some point has has some success at this level. We've got two in our squad after all. I just can't see the point of bringing in a player who has done absolutely nothing at this level so far. We might as well just play Hogan or gabby if he's here purely for cover and not to challenge Davis
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Is a proven experienced goal scorer going to come in to be cover?
Well i would hope there was someone who can't get a game at their club who has at some point has has some success at this level. We've got two in our squad after all. I just can't see the point of bringing in a player who has done absolutely nothing at this level so far. We might as well just play Hogan or gabby if he's here purely for cover and not to challenge Davis
We’ve bought two guaranteed, proven goal scorers at this level for fees in excess of £20m and they’ve both been useless.
The guy that is playing in their place hadn’t played at anywhere near this level until the last game of last season, yet he’s miles ahead of both of them.
I’m struggling to see why you have such concerns.
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Is a proven experienced goal scorer going to come in to be cover?
Well i would hope there was someone who can't get a game at their club who has at some point has has some success at this level. We've got two in our squad after all. I just can't see the point of bringing in a player who has done absolutely nothing at this level so far. We might as well just play Hogan or gabby if he's here purely for cover and not to challenge Davis
We’ve bought two guaranteed, proven goal scorers at this level for fees in excess of £20m and they’ve both been useless.
The guy that is playing in their place hadn’t played at anywhere near this level until the last game of last season, yet he’s miles ahead of both of them.
I’m struggling to see why you have such concerns.
erm, because he might not be good enough based on his record? maybe i'm looking at the wrong player and he has a twin at swansea but nothing there say's a player who going to be effective at this level. While i agree we've bought some duds, that's probably more to do with our playing style being totally wrong for them rather than not being capable of scoring. I still think if we're going for a "Bruce-type" player, you'd go for one who's done more than 5 goals in 14 matches in the conference
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Davis goal scoring record wouldn't suggest he's capable of destroying defences either.
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Which is my point Ads.
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Davis goal scoring record wouldn't suggest he's capable of destroying defences either.
no, but he's scored at this level and he's a youth player and not bought in. And besides we've seen him play and at his best so far he can handle this division
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Davis isn't a product of our youth academy and you're right we have seen him play. I doubt anybody on here has seen this kid. Which is Lee's point.
If you wiki'd Davis you wouldn't think much until you see him bully the fuck out of chumps like Keogh and Davies.
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Davis isn't a product of our youth academy.
technically no, but at 17 he was near as damm it and he's never played league football before us. Depends if you class Barry as brought in
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Davis isn't a product of our youth academy.
technically no, but at 17 he was near as damm it and he's never played league football before us. Depends if you class Barry as brought in. And Davis was just a punt. At no point was he brought in to cover our strikers straight away.
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We paid money via tribunal for Barry to Brighton.
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yeah i know but he was bought in for the youth team at that time to develop not as a potential starter for the first team. Same with Davis, he was never mentioned as going into the first team when he arrived, but to see how he developed as a young player in the youth. Totally different from bringing in a striker as cover for the first team
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I'm not really sure what that has to do with what Lee said.
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I'm not really sure what that has to do with what Lee said.
Simple, we're looking for a player who can do it now in this league. Davis wasn't brought in for that, neither was barry for that matter. If you're telling me Mcburnie's current record shows a player who's gonna challenge or replace Davis, then you can add another 20 conference strikers we should be looking at well.
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As far as I can see we're looking for a hold up player who can let Davis take a game off here and there, without any money to spend.
I'm not particularly interested in his record, I judge by what I see. I've not seen him, have you?
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I'm not really sure what that has to do with what Lee said.
Simple, we're looking for a player who can do it now in this league. Davis wasn't brought in for that, neither was barry for that matter. If you're telling me Mcburnie's current record shows a player who's gonna challenge or replace Davis, then you can add another 20 conference strikers we should be looking at well.
But we bought as close to stone cold certainties as you can get, and they’ve both been utterly piss poor. So again, I’m not sure why you insist on this criteria.
If the lad has the attributes Bruce is looking for, which would be those of a target man given we have no other option than Davis, then what is the problem?
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As far as I can see we're looking for a hold up player who can let Davis take a game off here and there, without any money to spend.
I'm not particularly interested in his record, I judge by what I see. I've not seen him, have you?
i've not but you're not interested in his record? Really?! Unless you have total trust in Bruce's skill in the transfer market i can't for. oh......
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As far as I can see we're looking for a hold up player who can let Davis take a game off here and there, without any money to spend.
I'm not particularly interested in his record, I judge by what I see. I've not seen him, have you?
i've not but you're not interested in his record? Really?! Unless you have total trust in Bruce's skill in the transfer market i can't for. oh......
Don't you think us fucking up with Hogan and McCormack primarily came down to placing too much weight on their record in this division, compared to the weight placed on how their footbaliing attributes would fit the way Bruce sets the team up to play? No one's suggesting that record is a completely irrelevant thing, but we've got examples of why it shouldn't be overvalued.
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I'm not really sure what that has to do with what Lee said.
Simple, we're looking for a player who can do it now in this league. Davis wasn't brought in for that, neither was barry for that matter. If you're telling me Mcburnie's current record shows a player who's gonna challenge or replace Davis, then you can add another 20 conference strikers we should be looking at well.
But we bought as close to stone cold certainties as you can get, and they’ve both been utterly piss poor. So again, I’m not sure why you insist on this criteria.
If the lad has the attributes Bruce is looking for, which would be those of a target man given we have no other option than Davis, then what is the problem?
Think we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think his record says Championship forward, while you think Bruce's judgement on strikers overrides that concern. Either i'm going to be pleasantly surprised or you're going to be disappointed
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As far as I can see we're looking for a hold up player who can let Davis take a game off here and there, without any money to spend.
I'm not particularly interested in his record, I judge by what I see. I've not seen him, have you?
i've not but you're not interested in his record? Really?! Unless you have total trust in Bruce's skill in the transfer market i can't for. oh......
Don't you think us fucking up with Hogan and McCormack primarily came down to placing too much weight on their record in this division, compared to the weight placed on how their footbaliing attributes would fit the way Bruce sets the team up to play? No one's suggesting that record is a completely irrelevant thing, but we've got examples of why it shouldn't be overvalued.
maybe but the harsh fact is as far as goals go we are basically Adomah Villa currently. Another forward with no record of scoring doesn't really scream an essential signing to me.
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As far as I can see we're looking for a hold up player who can let Davis take a game off here and there, without any money to spend.
I'm not particularly interested in his record, I judge by what I see. I've not seen him, have you?
I have seen Ollie McBurnie play when he was at Bradford. My son who played against him said he was a real handful to stop because he was sharp and very strong and Bradford rated him very highly. But that was about 3 years ago and there's a world of difference between reserve / youth team football and first team and I've seen some lads who looked world beaters at 16/17 just not kick on, and vice versa. His lack of progress at Swansea would suggest he's not an immediate answer. We don't just need cover, we need someone who can compete with Keinan and play at least 50% of the time. Maybe a good prospect for the future, but not the answer now.
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I'm not really sure what that has to do with what Lee said.
Simple, we're looking for a player who can do it now in this league. Davis wasn't brought in for that, neither was barry for that matter. If you're telling me Mcburnie's current record shows a player who's gonna challenge or replace Davis, then you can add another 20 conference strikers we should be looking at well.
But we bought as close to stone cold certainties as you can get, and they’ve both been utterly piss poor. So again, I’m not sure why you insist on this criteria.
If the lad has the attributes Bruce is looking for, which would be those of a target man given we have no other option than Davis, then what is the problem?
Think we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think his record says Championship forward, while you think Bruce's judgement on strikers overrides that concern. Either i'm going to be pleasantly surprised or you're going to be disappointed
I'm as interested in his record as much as I am Hogan or McCormack and those dead certs.
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Is there anyone on here ITK regarding our scouting set up. I have heard conflicting reports as to how good/bad it is. A well set up functioning scout system is a total must for a club like us and in the position we are in but there seems to be clubs in the championship that have a better set up than we do.
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I'm thinking broadly about our transfer dealings in the last few years, my god we have made some diabolical decisions and wasted so much money. We've spent over £20 million on two strikers in the last year, who through our management's choice were not deemed good enough to start when we had no other fit strikers available. I appreciate McCormack is injured now, but he was already unselectable. That is truly shocking decision making.
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To be fair, if you drop into the Championship, you see a striker like McCormack who has spanked them in for any team he's played for at this level and assume he'll do the same for you. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been scouted, but he must have been a sure thing for any side thinking of buying him. The ones that mystify me are the likes of Bjarnasson or Jordan Bowery. If you couldn't tell they wouldn't look out of their depth at Championship level or above, that's worthy of a P45 in my book.
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To be fair, if you drop into the Championship, you see a striker like McCormack who has spanked them in for any team he's played for at this level and assume he'll do the same for you. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been scouted, but he must have been a sure thing for any side thinking of buying him. The ones that mystify me are the likes of Bjarnasson or Jordan Bowery. If you couldn't tell they wouldn't look out of their depth at Championship level or above, that's worthy of a P45 in my book.
I can reconcile those decisions though, Bjarnasson was playing in the top flight in another country and internationally and Bowery was just a cheap punt.
If McCormack can be put down to a lack of scouting, just looking at his goal record to base the purchasing decision on, then to do the same 6 months later with Hogan is unforgivable. It also means we have fuck all money to address our issues now.
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To be fair, if you drop into the Championship, you see a striker like McCormack who has spanked them in for any team he's played for at this level and assume he'll do the same for you. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been scouted, but he must have been a sure thing for any side thinking of buying him. The ones that mystify me are the likes of Bjarnasson or Jordan Bowery. If you couldn't tell they wouldn't look out of their depth at Championship level or above, that's worthy of a P45 in my book.
I can reconcile those decisions though, Bjarnasson was playing in the top flight in another country and internationally and Bowery was just a cheap punt.
If McCormack can be put down to a lack of scouting, just looking at his goal record to base the purchasing decision on, then to do the same 6 months later with Hogan is unforgivable. It also means we have fuck all money to address our issues now.
I don't see the reason for Hogan at all. He wasn't the right choice then and we've moved no closer to making it the right choice since. He was a panic buy to try and make the play offs and we've all rued that decision ever since.
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Saw Bruce's comments about the grabbon link in the mail. Could be me reading things into it, but Potato head doesn't seem too happy at the moment with the lack of funds available.
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He shouldn't have spent £12 million on a striker he doesn't deem good enough to play then.
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I wouldn't give him another farthing in the window to go and waste on average crap
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I agree with John e. Though sadly, if we don't back the dinosaur, we won't even make the playoffs.
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Loan deals should be enough to tide us over. Hopefully there is something in the Ulloa link.
Experienced, scored 15-20 at this level for Brighton and would actually fit our style of play. Exactly the sort we should be after.
Any permanent signing we'd probably have to give a 3 and a half year deal. What happens if we don't go up, SB is sacked and the new manager dosen't fancy said player so we're lumbered with them.
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I sincerely hope all of our attacking eggs are being put in the basket of a Swansea reserve that can’t even get a kick in the worst team in their league.
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I sincerely hope all of our attacking eggs are being put in the basket of a Swansea reserve that can’t even get a kick in the worst team in their league.
Them being the worst team in the league has more to do with the rest of their team though - Bony and Abraham are pretty decent strikers.
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Loan deals should be enough to tide us over. Hopefully there is something in the Ulloa link.
Experienced, scored 15-20 at this level for Brighton and would actually fit our style of play. Exactly the sort we should be after.
Any permanent signing we'd probably have to give a 3 and a half year deal. What happens if we don't go up, SB is sacked and the new manager dosen't fancy said player so we're lumbered with them.
Agree about a loan deal. If we do manage to get up we are probably going to need a better option than we can get now and if we don't go up, we might find ourselves in a position that we have too many strikers on decent wagrs at the club.
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I am guessing that our rivals will also be trying to strengthen in Jan, any one have any idea how they are fixed finance and FFP wise.
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Hopefully we'll raise some much needed funds from a bidding war for Micah Richards.
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Hopefully we'll raise some much needed funds from a bidding war for Micah Richards.
2p won't get us very far.
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Hopefully we'll raise some much needed funds from a bidding war for Micah Richards.
2p won't get us very far.
And you have to balance that out against the loss of ‘Bantz’, and damage it could do to the dressing room.
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I did'nt realise that Jordan Amavi was still on our books ( currently on loan to Marseille ). By all accounts he's playing well and has been called into the French Squad. Last summer he just missed out on a big money move to Seville Now his value has consequently increased it would be ideal if we could raise some much need funds by selling him for a really decent fee ( 10 to 12 mil ?).................Godzvilla!
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I did'nt realise that Jordan Amavi was still on our books ( currently on loan to Marseille ). By all accounts he's playing well and has been called into the French Squad. Last summer he just missed out on a big money move to Seville Now his value has consequently increased it would be ideal if we could raise some much need funds by selling him for a really decent fee ( 10 to 12 mil ?).................Godzvilla!
The fee was already included in the loan and Marseille have already confirmed they'll trigger it, they just can't transfer his registration until a window is open. What is slightly unclear is whether that will happen in January or the summer but given the loan contract was for the season I suspect the latter so we won't see anything in for him until then.
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Loan deals should be enough to tide us over. Hopefully there is something in the Ulloa link.
Experienced, scored 15-20 at this level for Brighton and would actually fit our style of play. Exactly the sort we should be after.
Any permanent signing we'd probably have to give a 3 and a half year deal. What happens if we don't go up, SB is sacked and the new manager dosen't fancy said player so we're lumbered with them.
Ulloa plays like an Argentinian version of Kozak. We need a powerhouse upfront.
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Why has he lined up this Swansea Macwotsitbugger on loan for?
We need somebody whom can get us a few goals aswell as making space for others to have a pop aswell, so why this guy?? Also, how many are we allowed on loan, cos surely we are close to the limit, and this guy will just limit them more. I dont understand it..
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Hopefully we'll raise some much needed funds from a bidding war for Micah Richards.
2p won't get us very far.
we have payed a lot more for players that are only worth that mind
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Hopefully we'll raise some much needed funds from a bidding war for Micah Richards.
2p won't get us very far.
we have payed a lot more for players that are only worth that mind
True enough.
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If we have ambitions to go up we should go all out to get Wells and Ulloa on loan. Without Kodjia our lack of options up front have been quite shocking really, we are very toothless. Desperate for an injection of quality there.
Very concerned about the back 4 too. With Samba out, and Terry fragile, finding a centre half would be useful.
Oh and if Johnstone ends up at a Prem club in Jan after a year getting confident and experience with us this Jan I will be well pissed off. I really hope we have the room to maneuver to agree a fee come May for him and keep him on loan until then.
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Isn't Johnstone here for the season anyway?
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Yes.
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If we have ambitions to go up we should go all out to get Wells and Ulloa on loan. Without Kodjia our lack of options up front have been quite shocking really, we are very toothless. Desperate for an injection of quality there.
Very concerned about the back 4 too. With Samba out, and Terry fragile, finding a centre half would be useful.
Oh and if Johnstone ends up at a Prem club in Jan after a year getting confident and experience with us this Jan I will be well pissed off. I really hope we have the room to maneuver to agree a fee come May for him and keep him on loan until then.
I wouldn't call Terry fragile. Up until he broke a bone he hadn't missed a minute. Plus his recovery looks to be ahead of schedule.
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He picked up a lot of niggles last 2 seasons at Chelsea.
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Yes.
Many reports today suggest United can recall him in Jan.
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Only see one striker coming in. Would be amazed if it's two and that would surely mean Hogan being moved on which I wouldn't be against as it's obviously not going to happen here for him.
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Hogan basically has the games between now and Jan to show some kind of reason why he should stay. One goal in 11 months for a £12m striker is outrageously bad.
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Hogan basically has the games between now and Jan to show some kind of reason why he should stay. One goal in 11 months for a £12m striker is outrageously bad.
It is. Of course the manager could help by not belting the ball up to him as if he was a 6’2 target man. I’d put money on him going somewhere else and finding the net again if they played the ball through to him. My concern is his confidence is just shot with us.
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Hogan basically has the games between now and Jan to show some kind of reason why he should stay. One goal in 11 months for a £12m striker is outrageously bad.
If you count the league cup goals, he has 4.
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Hogan basically has the games between now and Jan to show some kind of reason why he should stay. One goal in 11 months for a £12m striker is outrageously bad.
in fairness that statistic is right up there with Gabbys record and we keep giving him new contracts
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Hogan basically has the games between now and Jan to show some kind of reason why he should stay. One goal in 11 months for a £12m striker is outrageously bad.
in fairness that statistic is right up there with Gabbys record and we keep giving him new contracts
To be fair Gabby has had numerous seasons to prove his shitness. Scott needs to be given at least another lucrative contract to be the kind of professional we've come to expect.
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Scott Hogan is not going any where.our FFP situation will not allow it.
Based on the price of 10 mil over 4:5 years he will still be on the books at 7.8 mil.
We would be lucky to get 3.8 mil for him so that’s a 4 mil write off + the difference between what we pay him and what we and a new club will pay him.
if that differential is 10 k a week that’s another 1.8mil .
It looks like 5.8 mil hit if we sell January2018.
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yet another entry into our almost unrivaled rope a dope hall of shame.
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Mr U, I agree one hundred percent but in football just like the wider world you get what you are prepared to accept. If we continue to make excuses for mind boggling wastes of money there are incompetents at the club who will continue to waste mind boggling amounts of money. Cue new contract for Agbonlahor.
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Natural finishers never lose the ability if the service is there, I feel sorry for him yes he gets a huge income but professional pride comes in to it, I hope he gets the chance to show he can deliver but I fear the way we set up doesn't work for him.
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I still think there are goals in Hogan if played correctly (injuries aside). Bruce is not playing to his strengths or the strengths of any of our strikers. We have only started one game this season without a recognised striker, yet they have only scored 4 goals between them and we're nearly half way through the season. I believe he brought Kodjia back too early for his own short term gain (to keep his job at a time it was looking perilous). This is a guy whose marquee signing in the summer was a defender, yet he ignored the strikers position. He put all his faith in a striker recovering from a broken bone, another who has had a difficult start to his Villa career and is lacking in confidence and goals. A rookie 19 year old who has done a great job in difficult circumstances and finally a striker who stopped playing for the Villa 3+ years ago. (Obviously regarding Gates Mac, he had already discounted him before a ball had been kicked). To add insult to injury he plays a system which doesn't suit any of them. It's good that's he's thinking about a striker in January, but for me it's too little too late re auto promotion and if he doesn't play to their strengths, what's the point?
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I still think there are goals in Hogan if played correctly (injuries aside). Bruce is not playing to his strengths or the strengths of any of our strikers. We have only started one game this season without a recognised striker, yet they have only scored 4 goals between them and we're nearly half way through the season. I believe he brought Kodjia back too early for his own short term gain (to keep his job at a time it was looking perilous). This is a guy whose marquee signing in the summer was a defender, yet he ignored the strikers position. He put all his faith in a striker recovering from a broken bone, another who has had a difficult start to his Villa career and is lacking in confidence and goals. A rookie 19 year old who has done a great job in difficult circumstances and finally a striker who stopped playing for the Villa 3+ years ago. (Obviously regarding Gates Mac, he had already discounted him before a ball had been kicked). To add insult to injury he plays a system which doesn't suit any of them. It's good that's he's thinking about a striker in January, but for me it's too little too late re auto promotion and if he doesn't play to their strengths, what's the point?
The only thing I would say in regards to Kodjia is that he got injured on international duty, not with us.
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Natural finishers never lose the ability if the service is there, I feel sorry for him yes he gets a huge income but professional pride comes in to it, I hope he gets the chance to show he can deliver but I fear the way we set up doesn't work for him.
I agree. Adomah has been scoring goals which, because of our injured strikers, have come from a different type of delivery (not crosses). Hopefully, if they can keep this sort of delivery to Hogan, then he can score; through-balls etc.
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Hogan is just a victim of his manager's inability to adapt. Every manager has a favoured way of playing, but equally, any manager arriving at a club knows they may not have the players to do it or injuries may rob you of them. The good managers can adapt their style to make use of what's available, while our guy just plods on playing the same way with an ever decreasing selection of players to choose from. I can forgive Bruce for buying someone who doesn't suit the team, but writing off 10m because you refuse to change your style when we have very little other option is extreme folly.
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Mr U, I agree one hundred percent but in football just like the wider world you get what you are prepared to accept. If we continue to make excuses for mind boggling wastes of money there are incompetents at the club who will continue to waste mind boggling amounts of money. Cue new contract for Agbonlahor.
And why we find ourselves only dreaming of being where Wolves are instead of fighting it out with them for the Title.
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The worst thing about the situation with Hogan is the complete lack of awareness from Bruce over it - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/
"I think it’s hard, no disrespect to Brentford, or Barnsley, but this is different to those clubs where there’s no real expectation,” he said.
“Staying in the division is probably the expectation, with that they can flourish.
“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
“But we’ve seen with Hourihane, how he’s picked up and done well, but we hope Scotty can do that too.”
So nothing to do with us punting balls at his head from 60 yards away then?
On top of that, He talks about the pressure of expectations there but this is from a guy who called fans hysterical for having high expectations of him.
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The worst thing about the situation with Hogan is the complete lack of awareness from Bruce over it - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/
"I think it’s hard, no disrespect to Brentford, or Barnsley, but this is different to those clubs where there’s no real expectation,” he said.
“Staying in the division is probably the expectation, with that they can flourish.
“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
“But we’ve seen with Hourihane, how he’s picked up and done well, but we hope Scotty can do that too.”
So nothing to do with us punting balls at his head from 60 yards away then?
On top of that, He talks about the pressure of expectations there but this is from a guy who called fans hysterical for having high expectations of him.
Just another way of abdicating responsibility for what has so far been a huge failure.
What would the player think reading that?
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The worst thing about the situation with Hogan is the complete lack of awareness from Bruce over it - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/
"I think it’s hard, no disrespect to Brentford, or Barnsley, but this is different to those clubs where there’s no real expectation,” he said.
“Staying in the division is probably the expectation, with that they can flourish.
“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
“But we’ve seen with Hourihane, how he’s picked up and done well, but we hope Scotty can do that too.”
So nothing to do with us punting balls at his head from 60 yards away then?
On top of that, He talks about the pressure of expectations there but this is from a guy who called fans hysterical for having high expectations of him.
Just another way of abdicating responsibility for what has so far been a huge failure.
What would the player think reading that?
Not sure, but the dismissive attitude towards Brentford has probably made Dean Smith's team talk on Boxing Day a lot easier.
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“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
I trust he includes himself in those two or three.
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How about playing to his strengths once in a while
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He's got a point. He was playing in front of 10,000 at Brentford who are happy to just be in this division. Now the demands are higher. He's not the first to find it difficult and he probably won't be the last either.
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If you pump the ball long all game to a bloke who is less than six foot it’s never going to get the most out of him. If that was Bruce’s plan when he scouted him he’s an idiot. He instead should have gone out and bought a target man type of player. And he certainly didn’t need to spend the £9m or whatever it was to get him
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Our style of play has not been conducive to his style; however, he does need to take more responsibility. If it isn't happening, MAKE it happen.
What a car crash of a signing
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He's got a point. He was playing in front of 10,000 at Brentford who are happy to just be in this division. Now the demands are higher. He's not the first to find it difficult and he probably won't be the last either.
No one has denied that but whilst that might be playing a part the fact that He's used Hogan as a target man when that has never been his game has been completely ignored in those quotes, which is why they're interesting.
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The thing I have been dissapointed with is how easy it is to take the ball off him and his general lack of ability.
It looks like a one trick pony that can’t find the trick.
His last transfer was 400k so his fee to us ( reported 9 to 12 mil)is an astonishing rise in the players apparent value.
It is one of those eyebrow raising deals.
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He's got a point. He was playing in front of 10,000 at Brentford who are happy to just be in this division. Now the demands are higher. He's not the first to find it difficult and he probably won't be the last either.
No one has denied that but whilst that might be playing a part the fact that He's used Hogan as a target man when that has never been his game has been completely ignored in those quotes, which is why they're interesting.
Yep, he is either not good enough which is a spectacular mis judgement, or he is good enough and the manager can’t get the best out of him which is a spectacular failure of football management.
No hiding from this one.
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There seems to have no plans regarding style , he has fallen across the likes of Davis ,
And Adomah, he really seems to wing it . I am pretty sure he was saying a similar thing
About McCormack this time last year
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I'm just going by Bruce's comments about the expectation level. Cascarino came with a big reputation and he struggled as well. Of course he's been a disappointment so far for various reasons but like I said earlier, some work out, some don't.
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I'm just going by Bruce's comments about the expectation level. Cascarino came with a big reputation and he struggled as well. Of course he's been a disappointment so far for various reasons but like I said earlier, some work out, some don't.
That would be fine if we had paid a couple of million for hm, he is Bruce’s biggest signing and now we are up against FFP rules with no where to go.
Is it possible for you to accept any criticism of this manager?
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I'm just going by Bruce's comments about the expectation level. Cascarino came with a big reputation and he struggled as well. Of course he's been a disappointment so far for various reasons but like I said earlier, some work out, some don't.
Is it possible for you to accept any criticism of this manager?
Why does it worry you so much?
People disagreeing on a football forum. That will never catch on.
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I'm just going by Bruce's comments about the expectation level. Cascarino came with a big reputation and he struggled as well. Of course he's been a disappointment so far for various reasons but like I said earlier, some work out, some don't.
Is it possible for you to accept any criticism of this manager?
Why does it worry you so much?
People disagreeing on a football forum. That will never catch on.
Nor will blind obedience hopefully.
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Obeidence? Hmm, ok.
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The worst thing about the situation with Hogan is the complete lack of awareness from Bruce over it - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/
"I think it’s hard, no disrespect to Brentford, or Barnsley, but this is different to those clubs where there’s no real expectation,” he said.
“Staying in the division is probably the expectation, with that they can flourish.
“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
“But we’ve seen with Hourihane, how he’s picked up and done well, but we hope Scotty can do that too.”
So nothing to do with us punting balls at his head from 60 yards away then?
On top of that, He talks about the pressure of expectations there but this is from a guy who called fans hysterical for having high expectations of him.
Just another way of abdicating responsibility for what has so far been a huge failure.
What would the player think reading that?
Not sure, but the dismissive attitude towards Brentford has probably made Dean Smith's team talk on Boxing Day a lot easier.
I doubt Dean Smith's taken the slightest bit of notice.
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Hope Deano has a great Christmas and his favourite team get good results for him.
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I love Clampy. He's like HAL only better.
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In any other industry if you invested £10m in something you'd do your best to make sure it worked for you not simply discard it and make excuses about it.
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I'm just going by Bruce's comments about the expectation level. Cascarino came with a big reputation and he struggled as well. Of course he's been a disappointment so far for various reasons but like I said earlier, some work out, some don't.
Hogan was an utterly mental signing though. Completely unsuited to Bruce's style of play and our other attacking players.
Lets not forget Bruce claimed at the time he had been tracking him since his Rochdale days.
It could be argued the likes of Elphick and McCormack were reasonable signings at the time but expectation levels, off field issues etc counted against them.
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I'd say Hogan is the ideal forward for somebody like Grealish. Trouble is, how many times has Jack played in the hole (no, not that hole Mick).
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Jack, for the love of him and all his talent has done next to nothing to deserve to be declared our saviour. Even Bruce today listed the players fighting for the '10' spot.
For what's worth, I don't believe Bruce was relying on Jack coming back to save his season. What Bruce fails until now is understanding and believing in players in their natural position. To hear him talk about Omanah out wide, nevermind centre forward is beyond a joke. Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean it will.
We've had some shit managers over the last 17 years, Bruce is just another name to the list. #whenwillitend
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Good job nobody has declared him our saviour then.
Coming to save a season for a side who were 4th when he regained match fitness.
#whenwillthehyperbolicnonsenseend
Now that's a hashtag.
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I'd say Hogan is the ideal forward for somebody like Grealish. Trouble is, how many times has Jack played in the hole (no, not that hole Mick).
Absolutely, but Bruce has barely played them together in nearly a year (partly through injuries, partly because of Kodjia but that doesn't cover all of it). Even when both have been on the pitch together, as you mention, Grealish was playing 20 yards deeper than he should've been.
Rudy is right on that point, Bruce has spent far too much time playing people out of position trying to force them into a shape he's comfortable with when he really should have been adapting to the squad or buying players to fit the gaps. The latter bit is why I'm so disappointed with him in the transfer market, from the outside it looks far too much like he's signed on personality and once they're at BMH he then tries to work out how to use them. A lot of the comments he's made about signings certainly suggests as much.
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Jack the saviour? Not really seen that but I do expect to see him in the number 10 role and would love to see Callum swapping with him. I really think these two could bring the best out of Hogan if the manager allowed it. However, with the style of football played at the moment, it is very doubtful.
I also agree with someones earlier comment re Bruces comments about the difference in playing for Brentford and Barnsley against that of Villa. Why mention it now when we are playing Brentford in a few days. Obviously we are a bigger club but should he be rubbing it in and I can imagine Dean Smith's team talk
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It would be interesting to see a Grealish and O'Hare combo behind a forward with complete licence.
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The worst thing about the situation with Hogan is the complete lack of awareness from Bruce over it - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/21/steve-bruce-has-a-theory-behind-why-scott-hogan-has-struggled-at/page/1/)
"I think it’s hard, no disrespect to Brentford, or Barnsley, but this is different to those clubs where there’s no real expectation,” he said.
“Staying in the division is probably the expectation, with that they can flourish.
“But when you come to Aston Villa you are under the pump, under the cosh, under the spotlight straight away.
“There’s big demands.
“That’s what playing for this club is, big club, big expectations - that becomes difficult for people, two or three have found it difficult.
“But we’ve seen with Hourihane, how he’s picked up and done well, but we hope Scotty can do that too.”
Funny that he uses Hourihane as an example of someone who has acclimatised to the 'pressure' of playing for Villa: I think Hourihane has largely underperformed and has been getting worse in the last 4-5 games.
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It would be interesting to see a Grealish and O'Hare combo behind a forward with complete licence.
Yes, I think it would as well. They are talented players, will Bruce give O "Hare a chance though? I like Snodgrass but bit predictable at times with teams lying deep as they will.
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I'm in the minority but there is a player in there somewhere with Hogan. Hopefully, Agnew can get a better tune out of him than Bruce has.
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I agree with you newby, but not in the style we are playing, and that begs the question why was he signed?
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I think there is a real player in Hogan, but I suspect Agnews tactics are the same as before and things won't change until the manager recognises he is with a big club now and we don't have to do hoof ball with the players he has bought, most of them anyway
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It is a bit horrid how Risso constantly bullies Hogan but it would be great if Scott could stand up to him, starting with a hat-trick today.
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I'd say Hogan is the ideal forward for somebody like Grealish. Trouble is, how many times has Jack played in the hole (no, not that hole Mick).
People keep saying this but Grealish played behind Hogan v SHA end of last season and we didn't have a shot for 70 minutes.
One difference could be the form Adomah is in. He would get some crosses in for Hogan at least and also AEM.
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Both were on the pitch together yesterday and both looked like what they are. Whenever I see Grealish play he only has one weapon in his arsenal - try and get a penalty. But at least that's one more than Hogan.
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Grealish played well and looked dangerous. Hogan and Gabby didn't get a zip of service ad the midfield two were deep and entirely pedestrian.
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It is a bit horrid how Risso constantly bullies Hogan but it would be great if Scott could stand up to him, starting with a hat-trick today.
I reckon I could mark him out of a game. He got one of the mythical through balls from Grealish yesterday, and did nothing with it. Just gave it away cheaply. Poor.
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Requirements for January - pace pace and more pace
Hopefully Green back will supply some of that
Davis needs to be on the subs bench for now so a similar centre forward but McGrath knows who
Terry back will allow the midfield to push up much further - Hourihane is wasted in front of the back four
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Ulloa and Musa from Leicester please
A Centre half - Rob Holding loan
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good choices - Ulloa in for NYD against Bristol would be good.
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Nothing seems to happen early in the January window, several more games get played. Quick action would be useful wouldn’t it?
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Abel Hernandez is back in training at Hull ,after a long injury lay-off, let the speculation begin ( if it already has´nt ).
Fit and ready, I´d take him in an instant , fit & ready, that is !.
Did´nt we offer about 20 mil for him some time back ?, Hull should have bitten our hand / arm , off !.....Godzvilla!
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Abel Hernandez is back in training at Hull ,after a long injury lay-off, let the speculation begin ( if it already has´nt ).
Fit and ready, I´d take him in an instant , fit & ready, that is !.
Did´nt we offer about 20 mil for him some time back ?, Hull should have bitten our hand / arm , off !.....Godzvilla!
The way I remember it, Hull did bite our arm off. Hernandez messed us about with his wage demands, basically moved the goalposts when we thought we were getting close to an agreement. Dr Tony has stated in the past that we won't be going back in for him in the future.
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An old English type centre forward - Jordan Rhodes
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I agree with you newby, but not in the style we are playing, and that begs the question why was he signed?
Have we got a style of playing then? Can't say I've noticed since day one of his arrival...
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McBurnie starting for Swansea tonight
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God, keep him burning far away from B6.
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As a back up target man, I'd rather bring someone like him off the bench than punt long balls up to Hogan and Gabby.
But -being totally honest- I'd prefer it if none of those scenarios happened at all.
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He got hooked after an hour.
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Get rid of Bruce, any other move is just more money being shat up the wall. The blokes is a fucking clown.
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Midfield is still a real problem. Whelan and Jedinak should only be playing a holding role in a midfield three as neither have the mobility to play in any other formation. Whelan is beginning to look like the equivalent of the car which some niaive person buys from Autotrader thinking they've got a deal, only for it to completely conk out on them after a few months.
It seems like every week we come up against sides with small, mobile midfielders who outplay whoever we have kn there.
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Play Onomah from the start. Or Hourihane. Include O'Hare in the squad at the very least. Just don't put two slow old men together. It's ok if one or the other plays and essentially back each other up. But it's asking for it if they play together.
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for a club that's invested Croesus like riches in this league we really have bought some shite
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Play Onomah from the start. Or Hourihane. Include O'Hare in the squad at the very least. Just don't put two slow old men together. It's ok if one or the other plays and essentially back each other up. But it's asking for it if they play together.
If you want to start those 2, then Snodgrass should have made way. Adomah, Hourihane and Grealish behind Hogan might have worked, but Snodgrass in such dire form offered nothing all night, but Bruce is obsessed by the bloke.
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Playing those two might mean we hit teams on the break and defend in our six yard box. We have zero pace, making it completely invalid as a tactic. Did he go looking for a point?
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Play Onomah from the start. Or Hourihane. Include O'Hare in the squad at the very least. Just don't put two slow old men together. It's ok if one or the other plays and essentially back each other up. But it's asking for it if they play together.
Exactly and 2 games in 3 days for them as well when they are mid 30s and seemingly both have aged 10 years in 6 months.
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Onomah and Hourihane. Players with the mobility to press and play further up the pitch as they can actually turn and run the other way.
Whelan has to be dropped for Boro. He's cost us two away games in a week.
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Play Onomah from the start. Or Hourihane. Include O'Hare in the squad at the very least. Just don't put two slow old men together. It's ok if one or the other plays and essentially back each other up. But it's asking for it if they play together.
If you want to start those 2, then Snodgrass should have made way. Adomah, Hourihane and Grealish behind Hogan might have worked, but Snodgrass in such dire form offered nothing all night, but Bruce is obsessed by the bloke.
My point being Ozz that he should simply not start Whelan and Jedinak together. One or the other. And yes I’m all for dropping Snodgrass. He’s been dreadful for a few games now.
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Onomah and Hourihane. Players with the mobility to press and play further up the pitch as they can actually turn and run the other way.
Whelan has to be dropped for Boro. He's cost us two away games in a week.
Agree.
But it's Bruce at fault, the Stoke fans were saying he's a good player but cannot do more than 60 mins.
That back pass too - that's been coming, it's obviously a favourite Bruce tactic, we constantly knock it back to Johnstone.
Pulling Hourihane back for Snodgrass is criminal when we've seen how good he is on the edge of the box.
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We were fucked today as soon as that team was announced and the idiot had Whelan and Jedinak in the side. Like what the fuck convinced him that it was a good idea to play together two of the slowest, oldest and most error prone players in the division?
Sorry TV but the alternatives were?
Onomah and Hourihane. Players with the mobility to press and play further up the pitch as they can actually turn and run the other way.
Whelan has to be dropped for Boro. He's cost us two away games in a week.
Pulling Hourihane back for Snodgrass is criminal when we've seen how good he is on the edge of the box.
Leaving out Hourihane was odd especially when he admitted he was wrong to leave him out of a recent game (I forget which one).
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
I've always assumed Snodgrass came in to replace Green who Bruce obviously saw as a starter this season (and by God how i can't wait for him to come back)
Sadly, i fear there's a clause in Snodgrass's contract that means he has to play if fit. There must be given we're picking him each week!
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
I've always assumed Snodgrass came in to replace Green who Bruce obviously saw as a starter this season (and by God how i can't wait for him to come back)
Sadly, i fear there's a clause in Snodgrass's contract that means he has to play if fit. There must be given we're picking him each week!
The reason is that, for all of Bruce's he's a genuine nice guy, he has a massive ego.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
Sadly, i fear there's a clause in Snodgrass's contract that means he has to play if fit. There must be given we're picking him each week!
I don't believe that to be honest. I don't think any manager would agree to that. It wouldn't do much for team spirit for a start.
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What is this ‘team spirit' you speak of?
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What is this ‘team spirit' you speak of?
I meant in general.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
Well he's certainly make a better waiter than a footballer.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
Well he's certainly make a better waiter than a footballer.
Aperitifs would not suffice for Brucey in any case.
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Fucking hell. Van Dijk moving to Liverpool for £75m. Liverpool have almost single handedly kept Southampton in business for eternity. Makes you so disillusioned by what football is becoming at the top level when you see this and some of the transfers that have taken place especially in the past 12-18 months. Utterly mental.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
Sadly, i fear there's a clause in Snodgrass's contract that means he has to play if fit. There must be given we're picking him each week!
I don't believe that to be honest. I don't think any manager would agree to that. It wouldn't do much for team spirit for a start.
Can you come up with another explanation why he picks him every week?
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
What! You mean Bruce send back his replacement for Albert who he wanted to get rid of. Good on Albert to show up Bruce in the right way.
By the way, I totally agree with you.
For Snodgrass and Albert read Gabby and Ayew.
Sadly, i fear there's a clause in Snodgrass's contract that means he has to play if fit. There must be given we're picking him each week!
I don't believe that to be honest. I don't think any manager would agree to that. It wouldn't do much for team spirit for a start.
Can you come up with another explanation why he picks him every week?
No, I can't other than he rates him.
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Assume it is a sense of friendship and loyalty to a player who has played a significant role in his success in the past.
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Fucking hell. Van Dijk moving to Liverpool for £75m. Liverpool have almost single handedly kept Southampton in business for eternity. Makes you so disillusioned by what football is becoming at the top level when you see this and some of the transfers that have taken place especially in the past 12-18 months. Utterly mental.
aye. i know their defence is a bit suspect but they can't find a decent defender for less than 75m??! truly bonkers.
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Yes and you could build a decent back 4, a midfield general and goalkeeper for that. The key is to know oversea market. It is not right when Liverpool can spend 75m on one player when we can't spend 75p due to Football FairPlay ruling. If I was Tony I would spend the money and hire some lawyers to fight FFP and the FA could give up to high legal fees. Prince William can play a part ;)
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In the last few years Liverpool have spent £171m on Southampton players.
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I’m getting to the point where I’m not that bothered about going up because if you do you have to pay daft money for ordinary players just to stand still.
It may be ever thus but I think I’ve had it now.
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I’m getting to the point where I’m not that bothered about going up because if you do you have to pay daft money for ordinary players just to stand still.
It may be ever thus but I think I’ve had it now.
Yup.
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Also watching Newcastle make up the numbers against man city earlier
Was an embarrassment. I can't say I am in any hurry
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I thought the money Everton paid for Sigurdsson was bad enough that one today has topped it.
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For me it's not so much the thought that we'd have to spend well into nine figures just to have a chance of surviving as thinking why should we bother, or to be more accurate, why should I put my hard-earned into such a nonsensical set-up?
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The likes of Burnley doing well without having to go crazy maintains some belief that not all is lost and you can spend reasonably to compete. But if they stay up you wonder when they get drawn into it? Like Leicester who won the title without spending the earth but even their transfer record is now £30m.
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I can live with £30m in today's climate. £75m for one player is crazy, even crazier for a defender when solid players and good coaching/organisation should do the job.
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I'd send Snodgrass back for starters.
There may be exceptions but I'm generally not a fan of having players play on their weaker side so that they're constantly going to be cutting inside. Straight away that reduces the options and means only the fullbacks are going to be able to get crosses in and even when they do, their crosses are from angles that are easier to defend. If we're relying on Hutton for crosses, we might as well forget about crosses. El Hammady has a nice cross but I would like to see him playing further forward more often so that his crosses are from better angles.
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Caulker released by QPR. Was a really decent prospect a few year back.
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Caulker released by QPR. Was a really decent prospect a few year back.
He was indeed. This from Wiki, the poor sod. Hopefully he gets help:
“In June 2017, Caulker was interviewed by The Guardian and discussed his problems with alcohol, gambling addiction and depression. Caulker acknowledged that his problems had damaged his football career and had led him to consider suicide.”
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How do we play?
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How do we play?
Very badly.
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if you're buying defenders for 75m, mebbe you should be paying 20m on scouts and agents
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I’m getting to the point where I’m not that bothered about going up because if you do you have to pay daft money for ordinary players just to stand still.
It may be ever thus but I think I’ve had it now.
This. I want us to get promoted because I want us to do well, win games and eventually win major trophies again but I absolute despise what the PL is nowadays.
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you don't need to spend 75m on a defender to survive in the premership or half that, or even a 10th of that. 75m is probably the leicester premier league winning squad
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What on earth happened to scouting, coaching and tactics? At least, and I hate saying this, Wolves seem to have gone down a route of trying out players that are not over priced premier league fodder.
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so Liverpool payed more for one player than Tony did for Aston Villa, the club all the players plus fixtures and fittings put together
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I’m getting to the point where I’m not that bothered about going up because if you do you have to pay daft money for ordinary players just to stand still.
It may be ever thus but I think I’ve had it now.
This. I want us to get promoted because I want us to do well, win games and eventually win major trophies again but I absolute despise what the PL is nowadays.
Totally agree, but unfortunately you need to be in the PL for the exposure that it brings but everything else is horrible!
I think Dave suggested it would be nice to win the Championship take the money that brings but stay in the Championship!
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My overarching reason for wanting us to be promoted right now is so we get a better standard of refereeing again. God, I used to moan about the incompetents in the Premier League but the ones in the Championship make all of them look like Collina.
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Invest any money we have for January into a scouting network. Best long term investment this club could ever make, especially since cash is going to get tighter. Its something that should of been done years ago.
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so Liverpool payed more for one player than Tony did for Aston Villa, the club all the players plus fixtures and fittings put together
This demonstrates the financial chasm between us and the top of the PL and how getting relegated when we did was a disaster financially.
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Although someone said to me yesterday that Villa were the Liverpool/Man City of the Championship. If a player isn’t doing well at another, poorer, club we go and buy him. And that the £10-15m we paid for Kodja, McCormack etc would buy other clubs in the Championship.
I suppose he had a loose point.
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so Liverpool payed more for one player than Tony did for Aston Villa, the club all the players plus fixtures and fittings put together
This demonstrates the financial chasm between us and the top of the PL and how getting relegated when we did was a disaster financially.
It demonstrates the chasm between 5-6 very rich clubs and the rest.
And, it shows how lazy managers with money get when it comes to finding the talented players. Managers on a tight budget spend it more carefully and seek the up-and-coming players rather than those at the height of their powers.
Which is what we will have to do; meaning that - on another criterion - this current manager is not the right guy for the job.
And, Round and Wyness better start getting the scouting system and the Academy sorted out.
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Although someone said to me yesterday that Villa were the Liverpool/Man City of the Championship. If a player isn’t doing well at another, poorer, club we go and buy him. And that the £10-15m we paid for Kodja, McCormack etc would buy other clubs in the Championship.
I suppose he had a loose point.
Heard on the radio that while we've been down here we've spent more on transfer fees than Brentford have in their entire history.
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so Liverpool payed more for one player than Tony did for Aston Villa, the club all the players plus fixtures and fittings put together
Liverpool have paid almost as much for a handful of Southampton players as the Southampton owner paid for the entire club, fixtures and fittings and all.
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Rumours we are after an attacking midfielder. Something Bruce has fuck all idea how to use, and has 3-4 of already. Hmmm.
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Will it be Yaya Toure or Charlie Adam? :o
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Oh bollocks, it will be an old man won't it.
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Oh bollocks, it will be an old man won't it.
We're going to bring Pires back!
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I like to think of them as 'No.10's'.
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Rumours we are after an attacking midfielder. Something Bruce has fuck all idea how to use, and has 3-4 of already. Hmmm.
This time last year someone posted that Bruce had identified that we lacked players who could carry the ball through midfield, an entirely understandable deduction. He hasn’t half made a fuck up of rectifying it though.
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101 uses Steve Bruce can find for a "number 10"....
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Rumours we are after an attacking midfielder. Something Bruce has fuck all idea how to use, and has 3-4 of already. Hmmm.
This time last year someone posted that Bruce had identified that we lacked players who could carry the ball through midfield, an entirely understandable deduction. He hasn’t half made a fuck up of rectifying it though.
The marauding Delph like runs of Whelan not to your taste?
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Rumours we are after an attacking midfielder. Something Bruce has fuck all idea how to use, and has 3-4 of already. Hmmm.
This time last year someone posted that Bruce had identified that we lacked players who could carry the ball through midfield, an entirely understandable deduction. He hasn’t half made a fuck up of rectifying it though.
The marauding Delph like runs of Whelan not to your taste?
By marauding runs of Whelan do you mean those of the opposition on the counter having once again benefitted from one of his errant passes?
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Rumours we are after an attacking midfielder. Something Bruce has fuck all idea how to use, and has 3-4 of already. Hmmm.
This time last year someone posted that Bruce had identified that we lacked players who could carry the ball through midfield, an entirely understandable deduction. He hasn’t half made a fuck up of rectifying it though.
The marauding Delph like runs of Whelan not to your taste?
By marauding runs of Whelan do you mean those of the opposition on the counter having once again benefitted from one of his errant passes?
There is almost a hint of an implication that he ever makes anything other than an errant pass. He makes Reo Coker look like Hoddle.
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I quite like Whelan. But he should not be playing every week. He should be in rotation or used as a good backup to the first team player in his position.
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The only marauding runs of Whelan are as the result of a bad curry.
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perfectly suited to a team who constantly have the wild shites
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Whelan seems to make a significant error in every single game, then spends the rest of it snarling around like a dog who’s lost his bone trying to reek revenge.
Anyway, I’d go for Walters, Forestieri and a centre half
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Word on the Tweet is that said midfielder is Wigan's Nick Powell.
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For Stoke, Whelan was the same as Jedinak was for Palace. He comes here and Bruce asks him to do something he's not really capable of doing; being a midfield General.
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I quite like Whelan. But he should not be playing every week. He should be in rotation or used as a good backup to the first team player in his position.
Agreed. If Jedinak can stay fit we should be less reliant on him.
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Word on the Tweet is that said midfielder is Wigan's Nick Powell.
I have a mate who is a Crewe season ticket holder and when he first broke through they thought he was going to be their next big thing. He got a move to Manu but his career appears to have stalled so not sure what he would offer now.
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Word on the Tweet is that said midfielder is Wigan's Nick Powell.
I have a mate who is a Crewe season ticket holder and when he first broke through they thought he was going to be their next big thing. He got a move to Manu but his career appears to have stalled so not sure what he would offer now.
I think he was in the same Crewe side as Ashley Westwood.
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Please Doc, don't give this manager another penny.
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so Liverpool payed more for one player than Tony did for Aston Villa, the club all the players plus fixtures and fittings put together
This demonstrates the financial chasm between us and the top of the PL and how getting relegated when we did was a disaster financially.
It demonstrates the chasm between 5-6 very rich clubs and the rest.
And, it shows how lazy managers with money get when it comes to finding the talented players. Managers on a tight budget spend it more carefully and seek the up-and-coming players rather than those at the height of their powers.
Which is what we will have to do; meaning that - on another criterion - this current manager is not the right guy for the job.
And, Round and Wyness better start getting the scouting system and the Academy sorted out.
To be fair, if you look at the U23 side, we seem to have a pretty good crop of youngsters at the club. Unfortunately, I don't see Bruce as the kind of manager who will be able to incorporate those players and maximise their transition into fully fledged first team players.
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Well O'Hare can't even get on the bench, Bruce is not the manager to incorporate in to any kind of engine.
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The lad from Swansea that we were lining up came off the bench for them today, and was given man of the match by the beeb for the impact he had as they came back to win.
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Well O'Hare can't even get on the bench, Bruce is not the manager to incorporate in to any kind of engine.
On the bench today.
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Yeah Mcburnie looks a decent player in fairness to him.
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Anyone else a little concerned about the prospect of losing Johnstone in Jan?
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Is that likely? Haven't seen anything in the press.
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more than one report today suggesting Yanited have agreed a fee with West Brom
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He'd be daft to go there currently. Will have better options in the summer i would have thought.
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more than one report today suggesting Yanited have agreed a fee with West Brom
In the Star, apparently. Can’t see him going there unless we haven’t the cash to complete the deal.
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What's he want to go and be second fiddle for at a club who will be innthis division next season?
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more than one report today suggesting Yanited have agreed a fee with West Brom
If true, then it poses some serious questions.
My view, its not.
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What's he want to go and be second fiddle for at a club who will be innthis division next season?
That’s why I don’t think it’ll happen. Could be Man Utd’s way of hurrying Villa into completing the sale.
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What's he want to go and be second fiddle for at a club who will be innthis division next season?
That’s why I don’t think it’ll happen. Could be Man Utd’s way of hurrying Villa into completing the sale.
Weve got no cash to buy him though
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What's he want to go and be second fiddle for at a club who will be innthis division next season?
That’s why I don’t think it’ll happen. Could be Man Utd’s way of hurrying Villa into completing the sale.
Very good point.
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He may as well wait and see what happens in the summer.
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He;s only 24 which is a kid for a 'keeper. They may have extended his contract for 12 months but if his agent has any sense he won't be rushing into joining WBA or us for that matter until he see's where both teams are in May.
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The story started with a site called TEAMtalk so I wouldn't panic yet. Although they have a Facebook page dedicated to Manure that has 400 followers so maybe they are ITK.
This is the story on their website.
Manchester United are poised to recall goalkeeper Sam Johnstone from his loan spell at Aston Villa after West Brom reportedly agreed an undisclosed fee with West Brom.
The 24-year-old stopper joined Villa on loan for a second spell over the summer, but United included a recall clause in January should they receive an offer for the goalkeeper.
And sources have told TEAMtalk that West Brom are on the brink of a deal for the Manchester United custodian having agreed an undisclosed fee of around £4million for the former England U21 international.
West Brom’s interest in Johnstone dates back to the Tony Pulis era at The Hawthorns, but we understand his successor Alan Pardew will push through with the transfer, with the arrangement having already been put in place.
Although United rate Johnstone highly, he is behind David De Gea, Sergio Romero and Joel Pereira in the Old Trafford pecking order.
And with his contract due to expire in June, United have decided to cash in now once the window opens.
Our sources say the deal will go through early in January, with the player set to arrive at The Hawthorns and provide Ben Foster with strong cover and competition for the No 1 shirt at the club.
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Scary fact of the day: Villa have currently 33m pounds worth of players on loan to other clubs. You couldn't make it up :-X
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Scary fact of the day: Villa have currently 33m pounds worth of players on loan to other clubs. You couldn't make it up :-X
And of that 33m, we would be lucky to recoup 15m >:(
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If - if - we were to lose Johnstone to Albion for the want of 4m that should set every alarm bell within ten miles of villa park ringing.
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Local press suggests Palace are interested in Johnstone. I wouldn't have thought going onto the second half of the season with just Steer and Bunn was a good thing. Possibly look for another keeper on loan?
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Man U have got an option on a 12 month contract extension so the suggestion they've got any financial incentive to cash in this January is simply incorrect.
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Re the FFP, are we allowed to spend anything we raise in sales next month?
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Say it ain't so
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If - if - we were to lose Johnstone to Albion for the want of 4m that should set every alarm bell within ten miles of villa park ringing.
Indeed, I would expect us to bid.
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If - if - we were to lose Johnstone to Albion for the want of 4m that should set every alarm bell within ten miles of villa park ringing.
Not if it's FFP that is hampering us rather than Tony's lack of cash.
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If - if - we were to lose Johnstone to Albion for the want of 4m that should set every alarm bell within ten miles of villa park ringing.
Not if it's FFP that is hampering us rather than Tony's lack of cash.
Would have thought Amavi's departure would free up funds.
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Wasn't there a suggestion the full amount would not he paid nor on the books til the end of the season?
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Can't see Johnstone going to that ragbag outfit. Would he be first choice for them over Foster?? I doubt it. He would be soon back in the Championship come May! Bruce hinted at freeing up funds during this transfer window with some possible departures.
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I would say it's FFP that's the problem. We did spend over £40m on 3 strikers since being relegated plus all the rest and don't recall recouping a huge amount.
2 points on Johnstone. 1, Would he really go and sit on the bench for bottom placed WBA?
2, He may want to move to a premier league club in the summer if (when) we don't go up which is understandable but could surely play first choice for anyone outside the top 4-6 as he's certainly good enough.
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I would say it's FFP that's the problem. We did spend over £40m on 3 strikers since being relegated plus all the rest and don't recall recouping a huge amount.
2 points on Johnstone. 1, Would he really go and sit on the bench for bottom placed WBA?
2, He may want to move to a premier league club in the summer if (when) we don't go up which is understandable but could surely play first choice for anyone outside the top 4-6 as he's certainly good enough.
What, you seriously think he’d be the 7th best keeper in the PL? Maybe one day but I don’t think he’s anywhere near that level.
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Can't see Johnstone going to that ragbag outfit. Would he be first choice for them over Foster?? I doubt it. He would be soon back in the Championship come May! Bruce hinted at freeing up funds during this transfer window with some possible departures.
Foster seems to have his peaks and troughs there and I remember Pulis leaving him out for quite sometime after he made some mistakes when we beat them in the first game when we beat them twice in a week.
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I would say it's FFP that's the problem. We did spend over £40m on 3 strikers since being relegated plus all the rest and don't recall recouping a huge amount.
2 points on Johnstone. 1, Would he really go and sit on the bench for bottom placed WBA?
2, He may want to move to a premier league club in the summer if (when) we don't go up which is understandable but could surely play first choice for anyone outside the top 4-6 as he's certainly good enough.
What, you seriously think he’d be the 7th best keeper in the PL? Maybe one day but I don’t think he’s anywhere near that level.
What I'm saying is he'd be a good punt for anyone outside the top 6 that needs a new keeper.
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I would say it's FFP that's the problem. We did spend over £40m on 3 strikers since being relegated plus all the rest and don't recall recouping a huge amount.
2 points on Johnstone. 1, Would he really go and sit on the bench for bottom placed WBA?
2, He may want to move to a premier league club in the summer if (when) we don't go up which is understandable but could surely play first choice for anyone outside the top 4-6 as he's certainly good enough.
What, you seriously think he’d be the 7th best keeper in the PL? Maybe one day but I don’t think he’s anywhere near that level.
What I'm saying is he'd be a good punt for anyone outside the top 6 that needs a new keeper.
He's been pretty solid for us this season, but I'm struggling to think of anybody in the Premier League he would be starting for.
Maybe Newcastle. Or Palace. But I think that would be about it.
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Bruce has said there is no money for a permanent forward signing.
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If - if - we were to lose Johnstone to Albion for the want of 4m that should set every alarm bell within ten miles of villa park ringing.
Not if it's FFP that is hampering us rather than Tony's lack of cash.
And if it’s FFP that’s hampering us it’s because the accounts, plus prediction for the current season, indicate we’ll lose more than allowed over three seasons, even with the allowance for our Premier League season. If we’re still losing a bundle then maybe it’s due to issues we have no visibility of...
Say, interest on a loan we know the club have had since October 2016 of an unspecified amount...
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We dont know what is in the loan agreement, if there is a break clause there maybe nothing we can do about it.
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When we play like we did tonight, it's difficult to say what we need in the window!
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Bruce has said there is no money for a permanent forward signing.
In his post match interview he said that there wasn't anything currently lined up and if any business is to be done, it will likely be towards the end of the window.
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Bruce has said there is no money for a permanent forward signing.
Depends how much.
I can fully understand why the club wouldn't be in a hurry to give him another 12m to spend on a forward when it's taken a year for last year's edition to finally start looking the part.
There are plenty who aren't playing at premier league clubs who could do a job for us on loan, many of the names been linked.
Given SB's comments about probably having to wait until the end of the window that's the route we're obviously going down.
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
Yes, I wonder how they are getting round FFP, theres no way their spending is matching their turnover surely?
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I’d imagine they’ll get a slap on the wrist and a (relatively) small fine when they are playing the likes of Spurs and Manchester City.
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Only £1.5 million.
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
Yes, I wonder how they are getting round FFP, theres no way their spending is matching their turnover surely?
I think you can do what you like during the first year under a new owner.
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
Yes, I wonder how they are getting round FFP, theres no way their spending is matching their turnover surely?
They've just gambled on promotion this season so looks like it will come off. Apparently Helder Costa is on 80k a week there so god knows what they're paying Neves and Jota of this seasons intake.
Would imagine they'll get a fine like Leicester and Bournemouth did when they got up. Not a huge problem when you're getting 100m from the TV deal.
Let's remember aswell Wyness admitted start of the season we were just above the FFP threshold.
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
Yes, I wonder how they are getting round FFP, theres no way their spending is matching their turnover surely?
I think you can do what you like during the first year under a new owner.
This is their second year under this model.
Last year was when they made all their mistakes appointing Walter Zenga and Lambert.
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Who do we reckon are on the way out this Jan?
Given the surplus options at RB, wouldn't be surprised if RDL were let go. Lansbury maybe aswell. Both have missed a lot of football.
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Who do we reckon are on the way out this Jan?
Given the surplus options at RB, wouldn't be surprised if RDL were let go. Lansbury maybe aswell. Both have missed a lot of football.
I did hear a rumour that Lansbury was likely to go to Palace (possibly along with Grealish), but this was mid December so things may have changed I guess.
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Bree could do with a loan (although he's magically appeared on the bench again).
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Jordan Lyden will probably go out on loan as he's not getting a look in.
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Lansbury is crap, so hopefully he'll be off somewhere.
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The only decent appearance I have seen was his first when he was taken off after an hour or so as he wasn't match fit. I thought then he looked a really good buy but he's never been remotely convincing since
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I wonder if Mad Tom has earned a stay of execution after the two clean sheets he's been part of. Terry will come straight back in for the Forest game you'd imagine and Chester is a guaranteed starter. I imagine Elphick will want regular football now he's had a taste of it.
Who would you rather have as first back-up, him or Samba?
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Jordan Lyden will probably go out on loan as he's not getting a look in.
He’s injured, didn’t he have an operation just before Christmas so I doubt he’ll be off anywhere in Jan
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I wonder if Mad Tom has earned a stay of execution after the two clean sheets he's been part of. Terry will come straight back in for the Forest game you'd imagine and Chester is a guaranteed starter. I imagine Elphick will want regular football now he's had a taste of it.
Who would you rather have as first back-up, him or Samba?
Tough one, as over the period of the season it would be Samba, but Elphick has been much improved in the past two games. Given the age and injury worries of Samba and Terry, I think we should be keeping Elphick until the end of the season at least.
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Who do we reckon are on the way out this Jan?
I hope we never see Gary Gardner again
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Richards, Agbonlahor, a right back, Lansbury, Bunn. Would remove a hefty amount of money from the wage bill, won't happen though.
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Lansbury can still do a job, we have a lot of games to play.
As for the first two jokers... £100k a week at least between them.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
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See Wolves are about to sign a 20 year old striker from Valences that Real Madrid were looking at this season. Prolific in their youth setup. Interesting to see how that works out.
Yes, I wonder how they are getting round FFP, theres no way their spending is matching their turnover surely?
It only applies to the Villa apparently.
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The only decent appearance I have seen was his first when he was taken off after an hour or so as he wasn't match fit. I thought then he looked a really good buy but he's never been remotely convincing since
He hasn't looked fit for his whole time with us. It wasn't just the man bun that pissed me off last year, never seemed bothered about putting in a tackle or running generally. Fine goal at Leeds to be fair but surely fifth choice behind Jedinak, Whelan, Onomah and Hourihane for two spots. Think he is one we could let go.
Green is a very welcome addition back to the squad. Bound to put pressure on AA and Snodgrass. Could be huge for us second half of season.
Agreed on keeping Elphick, Samba won't stay fit and Terry can hardly be expected to play all remaining games.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
It is a drawback is that
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
In a pinch and if both Elphick and Terry are fit I reckon Chester is more than smart enough to play there.
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
In a pinch and if both Elphick and Terry are fit I reckon Chester is more than smart enough to play there.
Never thought of Terry playing anwhere else. But now you mention it I could see him doing very well there.
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Listening to Steve Bruce on Talkshite this morning he said that if anybody comes in it is likely to be a loan signing due to FFP.
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
In a pinch and if both Elphick and Terry are fit I reckon Chester is more than smart enough to play there.
Never thought of Terry playing anwhere else. But now you mention it I could see him doing very well there.
I would much rather see us use a genuine midfielder there. Hourihane or Lansbury are capable of doing the job, particularly if they have Terry and Chester behind them.
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Listening to Steve Bruce on Talkshite this morning he said that if anybody comes in it is likely to be a loan signing due to FFP.
Hinted it would be a forward as well, as he said Kodjia is likely going to be out for the rest of the season.
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
He's injured at the minute, but Lyden is a holding midfielder and could be that third option when fit.
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Our holding player (If Jedinak or Whelan) should not be playing the full 90mins.
Rotate them.
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the natural consequence of buying 2 players who make Methuselah look like a spring chicken
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
He's injured at the minute, but Lyden is a holding midfielder and could be that third option when fit.
As is Doyle-Hayes, isn't he?
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
The impression I got was that even when he does play deeper, he's the sort to drive forward and link up with players further up the pitch, rather than someone who sets up camp in front of the back 4 for the 90.
Realistically, Jedinak/Whelan plus someone like Lyden to cover one position really should be enough. Otherwise, Bruce may have to be braver and go either 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 whenever neither of the two auld fellas are available.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
He's injured at the minute, but Lyden is a holding midfielder and could be that third option when fit.
As is Doyle-Hayes, isn't he?
The League Cup game against Middlesborough is the only time I've seen him and he ceratinly looked composed enough on the ball to play that role. The one thing that did immediately stand out about him though was his size and when you think how dominant in the air Jedinak is in that position, then that might go against him in some eyes.
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
The impression I got was that even when he does play deeper, he's the sort to drive forward and link up with players further up the pitch, rather than someone who sets up camp in front of the back 4 for the 90.
Realistically, Jedinak/Whelan plus someone like Lyden to cover one position really should be enough. Otherwise, Bruce may have to be braver and go either 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 whenever neither of the two auld fellas are available.
I'd agree with that. If we are going to continue with the three man midfield, then I see the options as being:
Jedinak / Whelan / Lyden
Lansbury / Onomah / Grealish Hourihane / Bjarnason
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Listening to Steve Bruce on Talkshite this morning he said that if anybody comes in it is likely to be a loan signing due to FFP.
Hinted it would be a forward as well, as he said Kodjia is likely going to be out for the rest of the season.
Leonardo Ulloa could do a good job for us (I reckon): and he's not getting a sniff at Leicester these days. God knows what kind of money he's on though...
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
The impression I got was that even when he does play deeper, he's the sort to drive forward and link up with players further up the pitch, rather than someone who sets up camp in front of the back 4 for the 90.
Am I missing something, or isn't that a good thing?
When we're playing the majority of teams in the Championship, we shouldn't really need an extra auxiliary centre-back.
When Wolves come to Villa Park, fair enough. When Burton do, I'd hope for someone in that position who is going to drive forward.
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In a 4141, if that's what we persist with, then he'd need to be more disciplined our we'd risk vacating too much space on the break.
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
The impression I got was that even when he does play deeper, he's the sort to drive forward and link up with players further up the pitch, rather than someone who sets up camp in front of the back 4 for the 90.
Am I missing something, or isn't that a good thing?
When we're playing the majority of teams in the Championship, we shouldn't really need an extra auxiliary centre-back.
When Wolves come to Villa Park, fair enough. When Burton do, I'd hope for someone in that position who is going to drive forward.
I suppose it could go any number of ways though - I mean, if that auxiliary centre back is good enough for it to mean that the five players ahead of him (and also perhaps the fullbacks) can attack with complete confidence, knowing that there's a designated man to keep the centre halves from getting exposed on the counter, that may very well be preferable to a situation where nobody is specifically designated for the job, but it means that several players have to play a little within themselves to make sure that the defensive cover is there.
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Doesn't Onomah play there for England u21s?
The impression I got was that even when he does play deeper, he's the sort to drive forward and link up with players further up the pitch, rather than someone who sets up camp in front of the back 4 for the 90.
Am I missing something, or isn't that a good thing?
When we're playing the majority of teams in the Championship, we shouldn't really need an extra auxiliary centre-back.
When Wolves come to Villa Park, fair enough. When Burton do, I'd hope for someone in that position who is going to drive forward.
I suppose it could go any number of ways though - I mean, if that auxiliary centre back is good enough for it to mean that the five players ahead of him (and also perhaps the fullbacks) can attack with complete confidence, knowing that there's a designated man to keep the centre halves from getting exposed on the counter, that may very well be preferable to a situation where nobody is specifically designated for the job, but it means that several players have to play a little within themselves to make sure that the defensive cover is there.
He's currently too prone to giving the ball away cheaply, and being just in front of the CB is not a good place to give it away.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
Lovely hair though.
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I like a DM who stays there, it means the full backs can get forward without leaving the centre backs exposed. if we're going to play 4141 then one of the other 2 central midfielders (Grealish and Hourihane the other day) needs to be able to sit in and make it a 2 in the defensive roles if needed. Onomah is ideal to be the 1 who does that because his mobility means he can switch between the 2 quickly.
We shouldn't ever need to go more defensive than that so long as 3 of the front 4 that are left work hard and press the ball high up the pitch (Grealish, or whoever is in that role, should be excluded from this so he's always available to spring the counter-attack).
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On topic - Bunn, RDL, Lansbury, Gardner, Gabby and Richards could all leave without it having any effect on the first team, and Bjarny could go as well if we could get our money back. We have some quality youngsters and that lot are just roadblocks in the way that don't actually contribute anything to us. I'd then like to see a proper left back come in because I don't rate Taylor and whilst Hutton has done a job I'd really like to see someone who can get forward and cross from there. Other than that a loan forward is probably all we'd need to add, just in case it's a false dawn with Hogan, but even then if RHM and Keinan can stay fit I'd like to see them get more game time.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
Lovely hair though.
I still miss Sanchez. Best hair we've ever had.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
Lovely hair though.
I still miss Sanchez. Best hair we've ever had.
Best since Tony Daley surely.
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I'm not even sure we need any other players - keep the 4141 formation and just change personnel as and when required as it is attacking / defensively minded when you want it to be
simple this management game ;)
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
In a pinch and if both Elphick and Terry are fit I reckon Chester is more than smart enough to play there.
Never thought of Terry playing anwhere else. But now you mention it I could see him doing very well there.
Just to be clear I was suggesting Chester.
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I like a DM who stays there, it means the full backs can get forward without leaving the centre backs exposed. if we're going to play 4141 then one of the other 2 central midfielders (Grealish and Hourihane the other day) needs to be able to sit in and make it a 2 in the defensive roles if needed. Onomah is ideal to be the 1 who does that because his mobility means he can switch between the 2 quickly.
We shouldn't ever need to go more defensive than that so long as 3 of the front 4 that are left work hard and press the ball high up the pitch (Grealish, or whoever is in that role, should be excluded from this so he's always available to spring the counter-attack).
I like 4-1-4-1 and we have probably had our two best home performances this season playing that way (Norwich and Bristol City). Like you mention, we still need a bit of flexibility though and that is where I worry a bit with Bruce. The next home game after Norwich, we played Brentford and they had obviously watched us because they played a similar formation. They put that little ginger haired lad in front of the defence and pushed their two more advanced midfielders on. Our two more advanced midfielders dropped, so we basically had a flat three in there and the ginger lad had acres of space. Not only that, our midfield dropping so deep meant that Davis became isolated and the ginger lad was able to sit in front of him and stop balls coming in to him. Bruce should have changed it around in midfield after about 15 minutes, but he didn't and it became more and more frustrating.
Not meant as a pop at Bruce and I like the 4-1-4-1 formation, it's just that we need that flexibility in games.
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If we have to sell to clear space off the wage bill and raise funds (FFP issues) then who would we get shot of?
Obviously I would love to see Richards and Agbonlahor off the wage bill, but neither look very likely to go.
I guess one of De Laet or Bree are disposable as we have Elmo and Hutton there.
We have too many central Midfield players, so Lansbury could go. Could let Onomah go back to Spurs maybe?
McCormack is an obvious one if Bruce wont play him, but unlikely we would get much of a fee given how public the fall out has been.
That leaves players we don't want to sell with Chester, Kodjia and Grealish being the ones most likely to attract bids.
On balance I would rather see us bring kids through unless we can sell unwanted players.
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Wasn't Bree bought as one for the future? Given the age of the current full back options I personally think it would be an error to move him on before he's had a proper opportunity to fulfill any potential he may have.
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he needs time to mature
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Selling Bree would be a terrible idea.
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he needs time to mature
Titter
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If we are going to keep playing the way we did with a DM being so important, then maybe we should be looking for a player there as a third option to the Jedi/Whelan?
In a pinch and if both Elphick and Terry are fit I reckon Chester is more than smart enough to play there.
Never thought of Terry playing anwhere else. But now you mention it I could see him doing very well there.
Just to be clear I was suggesting Chester.
Ah gotcha. I dunno, Chester seems the most most natural and gifted CB we have had for..... well for a long time. I would be kinda scared to see him move out of position even though he probably could. Terry on the other hand just knows what he is doing all around the pitch and his passing and distribution from DM on paper at least sounds plausible.
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:-*
he needs time to mature
I think there could be an 'abondance'of puns here.
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Chester in midfield? Not for me, he's a very solid centre half but his passing and movement would be exposed playing there.
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:-*he needs time to mature
I think there could be an 'abondance'of puns here.
Sweet Dreams are made of Cheese , who am I to dis a Bree ?........................Godzvilla!
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Who is the young centre back we bought from Bury ?
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Jacob Bedeau.
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Jacob Bedeau.
Is he still with us or loaned out ?
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Still at Villa unless Wikipedia is incorrect.
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Lansbury could be a great player but has had a bad season with niggling injuries. Would be sad to see him leave
He could be a great player, were it not for the fact he's shite at football.
Lovely hair though.
I still miss Sanchez. Best hair we've ever had.
Best since Tony Daley surely.
Was EXACTLY my immediate thoughts.
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:-*he needs time to mature
I think there could be an 'abondance'of puns here.
Sweet Dreams are made of Cheese , who am I to dis a Bree ?........................Godzvilla!
Bravo!!
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Jacob Bedeau.
There’s a player that I’d clean forgot about.
Have he been playing for the U23s/Reserves ?
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Jacob Bedeau.
He's going to be a cracker, perfect partner for Bree.
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See that striker we were linked with at Peterborough played quite well in the Cu today. Can't think where.
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I think we should buy a new manager
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I think we should buy a new manager
###$$ * I was just about to post the same.Seriously it's the only transfer activity that I want.
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I think we should buy a new manager
###$$ * I was just about to post the same.Seriously it's the only transfer activity that I want.
if that happened
it would be the Best Transfer window ever
I think I would actually put bunting up in my street and have a massive street party no matter the cold
your all welcome
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I think we should buy a new manager
###$$ * I was just about to post the same.Seriously it's the only transfer activity that I want.
if that happened
it would be the Best Transfer window ever
I think I would actually put bunting up in my street and have a massive street party no matter the cold
your all welcome
You're getting a little bit tedious now.
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Bruce needs to go.
We had our blip last week and now its back to normal with him. Best thing we can spend on this window is his P45.
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Can we sign Jack Marriott - just a thought.
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Can we sign Jack Marriott - just a thought.
Ah the old Kodjia strategy. I like it!
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Bedau was terrible in Any Which Way But Lose.
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was he the ape?
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I think I saw it flash across the bottom of the screen on SSN that Bournemouth will let Grabban go in January.
We could do worse.
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I think I saw it flash across the bottom of the screen on SSN that Bournemouth will let Grabban go in January.
We could do worse.
I dont much like him. 30 years old, literally useless with high balls, agreed to a loan because he couldnt make Bournemouth's bench, then when the going gets tough at Sunderland and he cant be arsed he asks to end the loan to see if he can angle for a payday somewhere else.
I think we would be buying a problem worse than McCormack or Gabby.
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I think we should buy a new manager
###$$ * I was just about to post the same.Seriously it's the only transfer activity that I want.
if that happened
it would be the Best Transfer window ever
I think I would actually put bunting up in my street and have a massive street party no matter the cold
your all welcome
You're getting a little bit tedious now.
Not Toronto? I agree with him.
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what do folks make of the rumour Pulis is after Hutton?
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what do folks make of the rumour Pulis is after Hutton?
My current favourite Villa player, would be annoyed if we let him go there. Probably our best right and easily our best left back as well!
If we must shift one out it should be Bree on loan (I know he might be one for the future but offers nothing at the moment), or de Laet if Bruce isn't going to play him.
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what do folks make of the rumour Pulis is after Hutton?
My current favourite Villa player, would be annoyed if we let him go there. Probably our best right and easily our best left back as well!
If we must shift one out it should be Bree on loan (I know he might be one for the future but offers nothing at the moment), or de Laet if Bruce isn't going to play him.
I'd rather play de Laet ahead of Hutton or Elmohamady.
Let him go.
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Best left back we have got, don't sell. Concentrates more there and generally looks better.
Anyone see the rumours that Grabban is going to be 8-10 million with 50k a week plus wages! Whoever gets him, I hope it is not us.
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Considering our left back options it would seem daft to let Hutton go this month.
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I think I saw it flash across the bottom of the screen on SSN that Bournemouth will let Grabban go in January.
We could do worse.
I dont much like him. 30 years old, literally useless with high balls, agreed to a loan because he couldnt make Bournemouth's bench, then when the going gets tough at Sunderland and he cant be arsed he asks to end the loan to see if he can angle for a payday somewhere else.
I think we would be buying a problem worse than McCormack or Gabby.
I didn’t know any of that, I’m not that interested in football. I thought his loan finished in January anyway.
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Best left back we have got, don't sell. Concentrates more there and generally looks better.
Anyone see the rumours that Grabban is going to be 8-10 million with 50k a week plus wages! Whoever gets him, I hope it is not us.
We don't need a permanent signing in this window anyway.
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Naismith is available on loan, always liked him at Everton and in the early days at Norwich. Only on 10k a week alledgedly so could be a good short term fix up front?
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I think I saw it flash across the bottom of the screen on SSN that Bournemouth will let Grabban go in January.
We could do worse.
I dont much like him. 30 years old, literally useless with high balls, agreed to a loan because he couldnt make Bournemouth's bench, then when the going gets tough at Sunderland and he cant be arsed he asks to end the loan to see if he can angle for a payday somewhere else.
I think we would be buying a problem worse than McCormack or Gabby.
I didn’t know any of that, I’m not that interested in football. I thought his loan finished in January anyway.
Yeah I only know because of a Sunderland supporting mate. Yeah Grabben asked to end the loan ahead of time for sure. He also allegedly faked "illness" to avoid playing (and so injury) as well.
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Best left back we have got, don't sell. Concentrates more there and generally looks better.
Anyone see the rumours that Grabban is going to be 8-10 million with 50k a week plus wages! Whoever gets him, I hope it is not us.
I thought due to FFP, we've got very little to spend and most of our signings are going to be on loan.So I think it's doubtful, thankfully.
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I thought Grabban played very well against us the other week and he has scored a decent number of goals in an absolutely toss side.
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Best left back we have got, don't sell. Concentrates more there and generally looks better.
Anyone see the rumours that Grabban is going to be 8-10 million with 50k a week plus wages! Whoever gets him, I hope it is not us.
Grabban's been extracting the urine for as long as I can remember. He ought to have beeen known as Money in the various dressing rooms he's 'graced' with his presence.
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Naismith is available on loan, always liked him at Everton and in the early days at Norwich. Only on 10k a week alledgedly so could be a good short term fix up front?
Always reminds me of Andy Weimann, hard working player but limited prospect of scoring any goals.
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I like Naismith but he is a midfielder with a decent goalscoring record when we need an out and out striker. As for Hutton, there is no way we should let him leave in January.
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I watched the Bristol game again over the weekend. Hutton's performance was outstanding & funny.
Outstanding because of the great runs, tackles & passes he made. Plus his work rate the whole game was sensational.
The funny bit being their number 8 "accidentally" stepped on/over him after a challenge and made Alan look a little silly. Alan doesn't like being stepped on and 2 mins later the number 8 is on the deck getting treatment after Alan Hutton "accidentally" blasted the ball into his face :)
No we shouldn't sell Alan Hutton. He really has come into his own this season.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
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Was it just coincidence that the issue of FFP came up at the end of last season just as Bruce was looking at overhauling the squad again. I do wonder after last January if they trust Bruce with major expenditure.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Thanks for that, Sherlock.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Wolves took a calculated gamble this season and, as it appears odds on that they will go up, it worked. Failure to get promotion and they would be looking at a similar situation to us in the future.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Wolves took a calculated gamble this season and, as it appears odds on that they will go up, it worked. Failure to get promotion and they would be looking at a similar situation to us in the future.
Agreed, but arguably the best signing Wolves made was that of ´Super Agent´ Jorge Mendes, however , it has been said that he is using Wolves as a shop window for some of his players to prove themselves in the English game before being tempted away by the Premier League's millions. If Wolves fans believe that a lot of these players won´t jump ship the moment a ´bigger´Club comes in for them then they are living in Cuckoo Land.
It is no secret that Wolves are sailing very close to the winds re FFP and Conflict of Interest issues, specifically regarding Mendes involvement in the selection of Transfer targets. They ( Wolves ) say he is not in charge of recruitment, because "that is against the Rules ", yeah...right!...........................Godzvilla!
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Wolves took a calculated gamble this season and, as it appears odds on that they will go up, it worked. Failure to get promotion and they would be looking at a similar situation to us in the future.
Agreed, but arguably the best signing Wolves made was that of ´Super Agent´ Jorge Mendes, however , it has been said that he is using Wolves as a shop window for some of his players to prove themselves in the English game before being tempted away by the Premier League's millions. If Wolves fans believe that a lot of these players won´t jump ship the moment a ´bigger´Club comes in for them then they are living in Cuckoo Land.
It is no secret that Wolves are sailing very close to the winds re FFP and Conflict of Interest issues, specifically regarding Mendes involvement in the selection of Transfer targets. They ( Wolves ) say he is not in charge of recruitment, because "that is against the Rules ", yeah...right!...........................Godzvilla!
True. But isn't that the case for all clubs except the ones at the top of the food chain? Any player at a club like ours, Wolves etc will go if a Man City come calling, even if they have signed a 4 year contract.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Wolves took a calculated gamble this season and, as it appears odds on that they will go up, it worked. Failure to get promotion and they would be looking at a similar situation to us in the future.
Agreed, but arguably the best signing Wolves made was that of ´Super Agent´ Jorge Mendes, however , it has been said that he is using Wolves as a shop window for some of his players to prove themselves in the English game before being tempted away by the Premier League's millions. If Wolves fans believe that a lot of these players won´t jump ship the moment a ´bigger´Club comes in for them then they are living in Cuckoo Land.
It is no secret that Wolves are sailing very close to the winds re FFP and Conflict of Interest issues, specifically regarding Mendes involvement in the selection of Transfer targets. They ( Wolves ) say he is not in charge of recruitment, because "that is against the Rules ", yeah...right!...........................Godzvilla!
True. But isn't that the case for all clubs except the ones at the top of the food chain? Any player at a club like ours, Wolves etc will go if a Man City come calling, even if they have signed a 4 year contract.
It is but I think the difference is that Wolves have signed a number of players with obvious CL ambitions, that is highly unusual for a club in this division.
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Iheanacho at Leicester and Mitrovic at Newcastle are both supposedly available. It would be interesting to see if either could be tempted by a 5 month loan deal.
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Iheanacho at Leicester and Mitrovic at Newcastle are both supposedly available. It would be interesting to see if either could be tempted by a 5 month loan deal.
I thought the same with regards to Iheanacho. Then read that he's on £135k a week!
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Iheanacho at Leicester and Mitrovic at Newcastle are both supposedly available. It would be interesting to see if either could be tempted by a 5 month loan deal.
I thought the same with regards to Iheanacho. Then read that he's on £135k a week!
If that is true then no wonder his motivation has slipped since going from City to Leicester
game has gone mental
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(Ref: Bree) he needs time to mature
Good point well made. He needs to be handled Caerphilly.
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£135k a week for a player from Citeh's third team? Christ on a scooter...
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(Ref: Bree) he needs time to mature
Good point well made. He needs to be handled Caerphilly.
He lacks match fitness - he needs to be Feta
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£135k a week for a player from Citeh's third team? Christ on a scooter...
I know ... to think we had one at 60k a week too.
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I was pondering whether the Geordies might let us have Mitrovic on loan the other day. He would do a job.
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I was pondering whether the Geordies might let us have Mitrovic on loan the other day. He would do a job.
Benitez doesn't rate him so I'm sure they would
Very slow though, think we need more pace up top
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(Ref: Bree) he needs time to mature
Good point well made. He needs to be handled Caerphilly.
He lacks match fitness - he needs to be Feta
I Camembert any more of these......................Godzvilla!
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(Ref: Bree) he needs time to mature
Good point well made. He needs to be handled Caerphilly.
He lacks match fitness - he needs to be Feta
Like a lot of us, he probably needs to Chedder few pounds.
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Premier League outfit Brighton and Hove Albion are preparing a £3 million bid for Aston Villa’s young striker Keinan Davis, according to the Bun.
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I was pondering whether the Geordies might let us have Mitrovic on loan the other day. He would do a job.
Benitez doesn't rate him so I'm sure they would
Very slow though, think we need more pace up top
If we want the midfielder attackers to play off a hold up man then he will be fine.
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In my opinion Wolves seem to have got it right with their recruiting from players to manager and coaches where as we still appear to be floundering about as can be seen by some of the players we have and the manager and coaches!
Wolves took a calculated gamble this season and, as it appears odds on that they will go up, it worked. Failure to get promotion and they would be looking at a similar situation to us in the future.
Especially as it is being reported that they have had a £34 million pound offer turned down by AC Milan for one of their strikers.
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Steve Bruce launches bid to sign Leonardo Ulloa and Daniel Amartey on loan from Leicester #avfc #lcfc http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/09/aston-villa-managersteve-bruce-hoping-take-leonardo-ulloa-daniel/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw … via @telefootball
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Let's be honest, we do need another right back.
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Yup I believe Percy. Sounds like typical solid Bruce loans tbh.
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Let's be honest, we do need another right back.
I think Leicester brought him in to try and replace Kante in midfield rather than a regular right back.
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Yep, looks more of an acknowledgement that Whelan might not be up to it and Jedinak is too important to not have decent cover for. Ulloa is pretty much the perfect forward for Bruce, and would score a lot more than Davis. Both would be fairly decent signings, still lack pace though!
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We really need to get rid of the manager not let him waste anymore money on crap signings.
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We really need to get rid of the manager not let him waste anymore money on crap signings.
That.
If we must keep the turd, at least limit him to loans and don't let him sell anyone that the next manage might want.
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He is so predictable. Mind you if he managed to get gabby off the books I would cut him some slack.
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Even if we had loads of spare FFP cash I wouldn’t want to spend it this month anyway. Doesn’t make business sense at all as we have no idea what league we’re going to be in come the summer.
Unless the target was starter quality for a premier league side then loans make the best sense all round.
Ulloa would be great in our league and would suit how we setup perfectly.
Amartey- if it means that Whelan gets further down the DM pecking order then I’m all for this!
5 points off 2nd place
All the teams around us to come to VP
This is in OUR HANDS
Couple of smart loans key
UTV
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Not backing the manager is idiotic.
What do people know of the Ghanaian midfielder? Mobility in the holding role would be very useful.
Ulloa seems to make sense given Davis is going to find his form in and out at his age. Ulloa was a 1 in 2 striker for Brighton and didn't do too bad in Leicester's first season up. Makes sense for a loan given he's not really up to it at Premier League level.
Would he be our first Argentine player? Fourth South American?
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Every time I have seen Amartey he has been awful and most Leicester fans would agree with that .
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I've never heard of him.
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Whether we want Bruce is immaterial - since he'll be here until the end of the season at the very least. He needs backing in this window if we're to maintain a promotion push: particularly as our forward options are limited by injury and the iffy form of those still available. I don't know whether Big Leo (Ulloa) would be able to hit the ground running if he came to VP, but he was superb during his time in the Championship at B&HA before Leicester snaffled him. Living in the East Midlands would mean he could cheerfully commute Westward, so I'd be happy if he fancied getting his career back on track with us. We could do a helluva lot worse IMO.
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I've never heard of him.
I've only heard of him because he was mentioned on the previous page of this thread.
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When Amartey was sent off against Man Utd my Leicester season ticket holding brother-in-law reckoned it improved the team.
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Every time I have seen Amartey he has been awful and most Leicester fans would agree with that .
I asked my Leicester supporting dad about him earlier, and he reckons he's as bad as Whelen-which was enough for me to hope we don't get him.
Ulloa on the other hand would be good for us, says my dad.
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We really need to get rid of the manager not let him waste anymore money on crap signings.
Is the correct way of approaching the new year!
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I've never heard of the midfielder. I do quite like Ulloa. Whether he is quite what we need I'm not sure but he's a decent player.
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I think so, he's a target man and has the experience and guile that Davis just lacks at this stage.
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Premier League outfit Brighton and Hove Albion are preparing a £3 million bid for Aston Villa’s young striker Keinan Davis, according to the Bun.
Crumbs a huge club like that coming in for him could really turn his head...
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Premier League outfit Brighton and Hove Albion are preparing a £3 million bid for Aston Villa’s young striker Keinan Davis, according to the Bun.
Crumbs a huge club like that coming in for him could really turn his head...
Especially with such a massive bid.
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this is bollocks - an identical story surfaced just before he signed his new contract.
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Ulloa would be a decent signing.
Never heard of the other guy.
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nor me, perhaps its a loan one, get one free type of deal.
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Every time I have seen Amartey he has been awful and most Leicester fans would agree with that .
I asked my Leicester supporting dad about him earlier, and he reckons he's as bad as Whelen-which was enough for me to hope we don't get him.
Ulloa on the other hand would be good for us, says my dad.
I think Ulloa would do a job but Amartey would be our
Ghanaian Zidane ( file under another Salifou )
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If we can get anyone capable of ten plus goals between Jan and May then our defence is good enough to turn that into a lot of points.
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If we can get anyone capable of ten plus goals between Jan and May then our defence is good enough to turn that into a lot of points.
Quite a while since anything to do with our defence could be described as that!.
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Would he be our first Argentine player?
Didn’t we have a player called Bartelt in the 00s, came from an Italian club didn’t play much and went back quickly?
Might have imagined it.
Edit: I didn’t imagine it although wiki suggests he came on loan and didn’t play at all, surprising I can remember that from 18 years ago but not what I was going up the stairs for 10 minutes ago.
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Good memory there!
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I have been sitting on a fantastic Villa Transfer story. Before Christmas I heard from my son who is friends with the Gardners that Frank Lampard would be joining on a 6 month loan in January. I was a bit surprised that nobody reported the rumour and it turns out that Gary was winding up his cousin who is one of the few Gardner Villa fans.
It was never going to happen but maybe GG should be head of recruitment, Lampard and Drogba on short term loans ?
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Would he be our first Argentine player?
Didn’t we have a player called Bartelt in the 00s, came from an Italian club didn’t play much and went back quickly?
Might have imagined it.
Edit: I didn’t imagine it although wiki suggests he came on loan and didn’t play at all, surprising I can remember that from 18 years ago but not what I was going up the stairs for 10 minutes ago.
Oscar Arce maybe ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Fullon%C3%A9
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Gustavo Bartelt, although he may have only has a trial with us.
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I remember Gregory having the hump with Bartelt for not having the right attitude - coming in with sunglasses on his head or something
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I recall him because I saw a ‘Villa sign Argentine star’ headline with a pic and thought we’d got Canniggia.
Anyone remember Alex Sperr?
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I remember Gregory having the hump with Bartelt for not having the right attitude - coming in with sunglasses on his head or something
The Roman who came for a Villa holiday.
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I think so, he's a target man and has the experience and guile that Davis just lacks at this stage.
Agree Ads. Would be a decent loan signing until the end of the season.
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Remember when we used to have these threads and talk about stuff like signing Milner, Young, Carew and co?
Now look at us after several years of Lerner neglect, and we're praying we land a loan move for Brett Angell.
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It is what it is. Ulloa probably would've helped us out in the late-era Prem years, to be fair.
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The problem I have with Ulloa is that we've literally just been shown that this team can beat teams convincingly when they try to play with the ball on the floor. For the next signing to be someone that encourages us to lump it forward would be hugely discouraging and for me would show that Bristol City wasn't the result of anything Bruce has had the coaches working on, but rather just a sublime performance by 2-3 of our attacking players that dragged the standard up a level or 2.
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Would he be our first Argentine player?
Didn’t we have a player called Bartelt in the 00s, came from an Italian club didn’t play much and went back quickly?
Might have imagined it.
Edit: I didn’t imagine it although wiki suggests he came on loan and didn’t play at all, surprising I can remember that from 18 years ago but not what I was going up the stairs for 10 minutes ago.
Remember watching Bartelt, he landed in England and played that evening in a game at Bromsgrove, he looked hopeless in that game though we put it down to jet lag :-) 3 months later he disappeared & it possibly wasn’t jet lag after all
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Remember when we used to have these threads and talk about stuff like signing Milner, Young, Carew and co?
Now look at us after several years of Lerner neglect, and we're praying we land a loan move for Brett Angell.
We wouldn't even get get him now.
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The problem I have with Ulloa is that we've literally just been shown that this team can beat teams convincingly when they try to play with the ball on the floor. For the next signing to be someone that encourages us to lump it forward would be hugely discouraging and for me would show that Bristol City wasn't the result of anything Bruce has had the coaches working on, but rather just a sublime performance by 2-3 of our attacking players that dragged the standard up a level or 2.
Interesting observation.
The putting-together of that Cup team seems a much better gauge on which to adjudge the manager's team-and-tactics ability, since it was specific and built 'from the ground up' for the occasion.
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Edit: I didn’t imagine it although wiki suggests he came on loan and didn’t play at all, surprising I can remember that from 18 years ago but not what I was going up the stairs for 10 minutes ago.
This I understand very well PW!
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Eighteen years ago, fucking Hell.
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The problem I have with Ulloa is that we've literally just been shown that this team can beat teams convincingly when they try to play with the ball on the floor. For the next signing to be someone that encourages us to lump it forward would be hugely discouraging and for me would show that Bristol City wasn't the result of anything Bruce has had the coaches working on, but rather just a sublime performance by 2-3 of our attacking players that dragged the standard up a level or 2.
Ulloa wasn't successful at Brighton with the team lumping the ball forward to him at every opportunity. 'Just saying...
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lots of interest in him from Spain so if that firms up I can't see him running to VP
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He might not fancy relocating for the sake of a loan move, especially if he has a family.
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Eighteen years ago, fucking Hell.
I was 13.
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Scousers up here saying we're interested in Marco Grujic on loan.
He's a big Serbian lad. Sitting midfielder whose decent on the ball.
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well, look how the last bindipper worked out
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A colleague of mine supports Leicester and has just sent me his opinion of the two players:
Ulloa is a good target man and great in the air, just lacks any pace, but seems to get into good positions.
Amartey is incredibly quick, just seems to get flustered, quite nervous I think. Could be a great player when he settles down. I’d be surprised if we let him go, but Puel might not like him.
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I see McCormack is back to doing what he has for every club he has ever played for except us. Can't help thinking we could have handled him better.
Bjarnson has been linked with a move to Italy, hopefully for cash and not a loan.
Also seen Elphick linked with a loan move to Milwall. Hope that doesn't happen, as it leaves us very short in event of injury to Terry or Chester and do not see the point if we are not getting a transfer fee.
Ulloa would probably be a good signing. Never heard of Amartey and would imagine he isn't very good. Could do with letting Onomah go back to Spurs if we can as he is not as good as several of our own players and is adding to the wage bill.
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just lacks any pace
He'll fit right in ;)
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The McCormack issue is a right pain. It's so typical Villa but everyone has to take a look at themselves here. Firstly those who went after him in the first place and then those that couldn't fit him into our style of play, a bit like 50 per cent of the players we seem to sign. The player, who clearly has talent but a crap attitude.
However, you also have to look at the fact the Australian league is a pretty poor level and he has very little pace. Personally I think if we had more pace around him, he'd be a good player for us but I could say that for half a dozen of our players at the moment.
I'd have him back in January if we had built the right clause in, but knowing us we didn't. Hogan or McCormack? Some choice.
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I see McCormack is back to doing what he has for every club he has ever played for except us. Can't help thinking we could have handled him better.
Bjarnson has been linked with a move to Italy, hopefully for cash and not a loan.
Also seen Elphick linked with a loan move to Milwall. Hope that doesn't happen, as it leaves us very short in event of injury to Terry or Chester and do not see the point if we are not getting a transfer fee.
Ulloa would probably be a good signing. Never heard of Amartey and would imagine he isn't very good. Could do with letting Onomah go back to Spurs if we can as he is not as good as several of our own players and is adding to the wage bill.
He’s playing in Australia, which is higher than the Sutton Sunday league but below the Coronation, I think.
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I watched the game the other day and he looked about as interested to run around as he did for us. Would be a menace if they ever introduce special teams to pop on and take a free kick though.
Being out there might be a good move, hopefully some mug club will see his goal scoring record and not realise it’s against League 2 standard defenders & take a punt.
Shocking purchase but Bruce has to take fair share of responsibility that he is still here & has no value, had he not chosen to publicly question his attitude he might have quietly disappeared for 4-5m to Hull / Boro etc last summer and become their problem.
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Remember when we signed the Danish Henrik Larsen?
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Thing with McCormack though is a year and a half ago he was doing it at our standard, not just scoring but winning POTY awards which is not the M.O. of someone who just scores and does fuck all else. Presumably RDM thought him and Kodjia could play together and they probably could if we had a manager who played more than hoof ball,
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In fairness to Bartelt, Italians/Argies often wear sunglasses at the slightest sight of sun even on a grey Wednesday in Dudley. Gregory shouldn't have taken it as a slight.
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Remember when we signed the Danish Henrik Larsen?
I saw him play for the reserves at Bescot, against Man U I think. Was around the same time they trounced Liverpool reserves 7-1 with Beinlich, Breitkreutz, etc.
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Jon Walters linked to Sunderland I take him as experienced head to help lead line for 6 month loan. Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
Walters despite his limitations will always give 100 % and is a nuisance value.
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Jon Walters linked to Sunderland I take him as experienced head to help lead line for 6 month loan. Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
Walters despite his limitations will always give 100 % and is a nuisance value.
What, Walters and Whelan? Nah.
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
It’s a Bold move
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
It’s a Bold move
would he DAZzle ??
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
It’s a Bold move
would he DAZzle ??
He’s out of Condition er
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It's little Comfort that he can't play in anything more than a febreeze
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After surfing the net I can't find any evidence of this!
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Hopefully Bruce can soft soap him into joining
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I guess we'll have some more firepower sud it happen.
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Hopefully Bruce can soft soap him into joining
Aye, but will Ecover the other shortcomings in the squad?
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hopefully he can help us turn the tide
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Hopefully Bruce can soft soap him into joining
Aye, but will Ecover the other shortcomings in the squad?
Perhaps not but the theory is that if you get him on loan and sell a couple of the duffers Ulloa your exposure under FFP
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He’s a fairy.
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It's all rumours about Ulloa at the moment but i'm sure it will all come out in the wash.
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So what are we waiting for if we want Ulloa ? or any other player.
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He’s a fairy.
You mean e's an Omo?
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Hopefully Bruce can soft soap him into joining
Aye, but will Ecover the other shortcomings in the squad?
Perhaps not but the theory is that if you get him on loan and sell a couple of the duffers Ulloa your exposure under FFP
Indeed. Here's hoping that getting a few off the club's payroll will mean their Persil stretch to bringing Big Leo in. ;)
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He’s a fairy.
You mean e's an Omo?
What makes you think Perce’ll know?
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Bruce reckons we're very close to one loan signing in his press conference.
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So what are we waiting for if we want Ulloa ? or any other player.
Leicester (or any other lending club) to do their own business to ensure they are happy to let the player go.
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Doubt it - non Biologically possible
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Bruce reckons we're very close to one loan signing in his press conference.
Did he manage to get it sorted before the end of the conference?
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Bruce reckons we're very close to one loan signing in his press conference.
Please let it be José Leonardo Ulloa Fernández!!
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So what are we waiting for if we want Ulloa ? or any other player.
Leicester (or any other lending club) to do their own business to ensure they are happy to let the player go.
Apparently Leicester are waiting to see if they can sell Slimani. If Slimani goes Ulloa stays, and vice versa.
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/islam-slimani-make-break-potential-1039484
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Im hearing its a Manchester Utd centrehalf/fullback called Axel Tuanzebe
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Marko Grujic is what a mate has text me. Never heard of him but supposedly plays for Liverpool.
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
It’s a Bold move
Too bold, I hear he's not in very good conditioner.
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Marko Grujic is what a mate has text me. Never heard of him but supposedly plays for Liverpool.
don't know much about him other than he did brilliantly on loan for me in Football Manager.
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Ulloa first choice or both in have some ariel presence up there.
They’d clean up ....
It’s a Bold move
Dishes wash I heard as well....
Too bold, I hear he's not in very good conditioner.
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Im hearing its a Manchester Utd centrehalf/fullback called Axel Tuanzebe
Almost a done deal ( allegedly!) for young Axel.....
Tuanzebe's preferred position is at centre-back, but he can also play as a right-back, and has featured as a holding midfielder. His playing style has been compared to that of teammate Eric Bailly and Bayern Munich's Javi Martínez. Tuanzebe's performance on his first-team debut in a friendly against Wigan Athletic in July 2016 led manager José Mourinho to remark, "10 minutes is enough! The potential is there, you see it immediately".
If we´re getting Eric Bailly & Javi Martínez , all rolled into one , there will be no complaints from me !......................Godzvilla!
p.s...I´ve heard they had to Grease a few palms to get him here !.
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Im hearing its a Manchester Utd centrehalf/fullback called Axel Tuanzebe
Almost a done deal ( allegedly!) for young Axel.....
Tuanzebe's preferred position is at centre-back, but he can also play as a right-back, and has featured as a holding midfielder. His playing style has been compared to that of teammate Eric Bailly and Bayern Munich's Javi Martínez. Tuanzebe's performance on his first-team debut in a friendly against Wigan Athletic in July 2016 led manager José Mourinho to remark, "10 minutes is enough! The potential is there, you see it immediately".
If we´re getting Eric Bailly & Javi Martínez , all rolled into one , there will be no complaints from me !......................Godzvilla!
p.s...I´ve heard they had to Grease a few palms to get him here !.
Did Brucie sing "You're the one that I want, ooh, ooh, ooh"?
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Im hearing its a Manchester Utd centrehalf/fullback called Axel Tuanzebe
Almost a done deal ( allegedly!) for young Axel.....
Tuanzebe's preferred position is at centre-back, but he can also play as a right-back, and has featured as a holding midfielder. His playing style has been compared to that of teammate Eric Bailly and Bayern Munich's Javi Martínez. Tuanzebe's performance on his first-team debut in a friendly against Wigan Athletic in July 2016 led manager José Mourinho to remark, "10 minutes is enough! The potential is there, you see it immediately".
If we´re getting Eric Bailly & Javi Martínez , all rolled into one , there will be no complaints from me !......................Godzvilla!
p.s...I´ve heard they had to Grease a few palms to get him here !.
Did Brucie sing "You're the one that I want, ooh, ooh, ooh"?
I sure hope his skills are electrifying!
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Jose on Tuanzebe: “We are delaying decision until end of transfer window. If no fresh injuries and Bailly close to being back, good for Axel to go on loan.” [bbc sport]
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Marko Grujic is what a mate has text me. Never heard of him but supposedly plays for Liverpool.
I mentioned him the other day. Scousers up here reckon we want him on loan. He's a big holding player apparently.
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Grujic looks more use than Fabreeze. Not sure where a 20 year old centre half is going to fit in, unless it's so cheap it will allow us to sell Elphick
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Doesn't seem like the worse idea if we can kill two birds with one stone (being cover at CB and at DM, though I still don't really get why we need further cover in the latter provided we rotate Whelan/Jedinak properly.) Presumably, he won't be on very much at his age/level of first-team experience either.
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Tuanzebe is very highly rated there. He played in a few games for them end of last season in the premier league and looked comfortable.
Seems Elphick is going to get sold even though he's finally found some form and Terry is only back from injury and no guarentee he won't pick up another so we certainly need another CB in the mix.
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We need forwards though. Realistically if we loan Elphick out and sign this lad I see us as weaker for it, rather than stronger. If we sell Elphick and it allowed us to sign a couple of forwards, Ulloa and a pace option, then I am less worried.
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Marko Grujic is what a mate has text me. Never heard of him but supposedly plays for Liverpool.
I mentioned him the other day. Scousers up here reckon we want him on loan. He's a big holding player apparently.
Pointless signing in an area of the pitch where we have plenty of options
Selling Elphick at this time is idiotic, likely he will play and play well tomorrow v Forest
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Grujic seems to have a half decent pedigree, worth a punt i guess if he can put some youthful energy in that midfield.. Tuanzebe meh, don't see the point of signing kids that have done nothing however promising. If we sell elphick, get an injury and he can't cope, then we're back to square one. I can only imagine they're hoping elphick being sold can finance a loan up front and are prepared to risk it.
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It's not the right hand side we need to bolster, it's the left. Taylor is not good enough and Hutton, bless him, is one wild swing away with the wrong foot from fucking up.
Why is Bruce so right-wing?
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let's keep politics out of football please.
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let's keep politics out of football please.
Agreed, so please, no more of this Marxist propaganda masquerading as talk of gaining 'momentum' !
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I would prefer to keep Elphick! If Axel is to come then it should be as back up to Terry/Samba and not as Elphick's replacement. I think we have ample CB cover with our many RB players without Axel. Priority should be a left back and possibly a forward as back up to Hogan and Davis, with Kodjia out injured.
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I suppose it would be too much to ask to hope we are looking at loan signings that suit our style of play and fit into the system we play rather than blindly getting a couple of loans in out of desperation. Oh I think i've answered my own question there.
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We could do with a couple more right backs, just to be on the safe side.
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Elphick has only had three decent games since he's been here
the first one and the last two
if we can get any money for him and free up his wages I'd let him go he's not good enough to keep
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I suppose it would be too much to ask to hope we are looking at loan signings that suit our style of play and fit into the system we play rather than blindly getting a couple of loans in out of desperation. Oh I think i've answered my own question there.
In the words of Blackadder there is a plan sir ?
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My view as well, there aren’t that many none first choice players who are worth any money, he’s one of them.
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Marko Grujic is what a mate has text me. Never heard of him but supposedly plays for Liverpool.
I mentioned him the other day. Scousers up here reckon we want him on loan. He's a big holding player apparently.
Pointless signing in an area of the pitch where we have plenty of options
Selling Elphick at this time is idiotic, likely he will play and play well tomorrow v Forest
That's him hexed later then. :(
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Villa still haven't found what they're looking for in this transfer window but could Adam Clayton be joining the Pride ?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/15822668.MIDDLESBROUGH__Tony_Pulis_ready_to_make_a_decision_as_interest_in_Adam_Clayton_intensifies/
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Villa still haven't found what they're looking for in this transfer window but could Adam Clayton be joining the Pride ?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/15822668.MIDDLESBROUGH__Tony_Pulis_ready_to_make_a_decision_as_interest_in_Adam_Clayton_intensifies/
Really? Is that all he can come up with? Underwhelmed if it becomes a reality.
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It's not the right hand side we need to bolster, it's the left. Taylor is not good enough and Hutton, bless him, is one wild swing away with the wrong foot from fucking up.
Why is Bruce so right-wing?
Hutton's done really well at LB amazingly, not a huge fan of him the other side.
Don't mind Taylor, not everyone rates him but he's a steady eddie, solid type to me which is fine at this level.
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Villa still haven't found what they're looking for in this transfer window but could Adam Clayton be joining the Pride ?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/15822668.MIDDLESBROUGH__Tony_Pulis_ready_to_make_a_decision_as_interest_in_Adam_Clayton_intensifies/
Bruce was allegedly overhead saying: "I still haven't found what I'm looking for"...
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Villa still haven't found what they're looking for in this transfer window but could Adam Clayton be joining the Pride ?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/15822668.MIDDLESBROUGH__Tony_Pulis_ready_to_make_a_decision_as_interest_in_Adam_Clayton_intensifies/
Really? Is that all he can come up with? Underwhelmed if it becomes a reality.
This window is unlikely to be Edge of the seat stuff
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I suppose it would be too much to ask to hope we are looking at loan signings that suit our style of play and fit into the system we play rather than blindly getting a couple of loans in out of desperation. Oh I think i've answered my own question there.
In the words of Blackadder there is a plan sir ?
It's such a cunning plan that no one knows about it. It's more cunning than a fox that puts on a bowler hat and becomes governor of the bank of England.
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Villa still haven't found what they're looking for in this transfer window but could Adam Clayton be joining the Pride ?
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/15822668.MIDDLESBROUGH__Tony_Pulis_ready_to_make_a_decision_as_interest_in_Adam_Clayton_intensifies/
Really? Is that all he can come up with? Underwhelmed if it becomes a reality.
This window is unlikely to be Edge of the seat stuff
I can remember someone who used to post on here taking days off work during transfer windows it was that exciting for him
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Grujic looks more use than Fabreeze. Not sure where a 20 year old centre half is going to fit in, unless it's so cheap it will allow us to sell Elphick
I heard he smells good
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We could do with a couple more right backs, just to be on the safe side.
Yep. If the other 5 all get injured at the same time, we're fucked.
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We could do with a couple more right backs, just to be on the safe side.
Yep. If the other 5 all get injured at the same time, we're fucked.
Are they all right backs though? Remember when we used to think McCarlos was a right back. Sort of.
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We could do with a couple more right backs, just to be on the safe side.
Yep. If the other 5 all get injured at the same time, we're fucked.
Are they all right backs though? Remember when we used to think McCarlos was a right back. Sort of.
Good times ,paying 80k a week on 2 (average RBs) to sit on bench whilst we played CB who no attacking sense there ...
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We could do with a couple more right backs, just to be on the safe side.
Yep. If the other 5 all get injured at the same time, we're fucked.
Are they all right backs though?
Four most certainly are. regarding the fifth, I guess it depends if you count the headless chicken in the clown outfit a right back.
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
I think at this point of the season in a short term capacity not altogether a bad idea though. Ulloa will bring that, but if he sprinkles in that defender from Man U he gets a bit of both and someone who can provide good cover for Chester and Terry. Wouldn’t mind a forward in as well despite Hogan’s recent improvement, but not the end of the world if that doesn’t happen.
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
I think at this point of the season in a short term capacity not altogether a bad idea though. Ulloa will bring that, but if he sprinkles in that defender from Man U he gets a bit of both and someone who can provide good cover for Chester and Terry. Wouldn’t mind a forward in as well despite Hogan’s recent improvement, but not the end of the world if that doesn’t happen.
I think a forward on loan is a must really. Hogan has done well over the last couple of games, but is very injury prone. If he gets injured, we are looking at entering what looks as thoughh it could be a critical time of the season with Davis or RHM leading the line (with Agbonlahor missing in non-action). If we were to make only one signing in this window, that would be the one I would go for.
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
I think at this point of the season in a short term capacity not altogether a bad idea though. Ulloa will bring that, but if he sprinkles in that defender from Man U he gets a bit of both and someone who can provide good cover for Chester and Terry. Wouldn’t mind a forward in as well despite Hogan’s recent improvement, but not the end of the world if that doesn’t happen.
A forward in as well as Ulloa?
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
I think at this point of the season in a short term capacity not altogether a bad idea though. Ulloa will bring that, but if he sprinkles in that defender from Man U he gets a bit of both and someone who can provide good cover for Chester and Terry. Wouldn’t mind a forward in as well despite Hogan’s recent improvement, but not the end of the world if that doesn’t happen.
I think a forward on loan is a must really. Hogan has done well over the last couple of games, but is very injury prone. If he gets injured, we are looking at entering what looks as thoughh it could be a critical time of the season with Davis or RHM leading the line (with Agbonlahor missing in non-action). If we were to make only one signing in this window, that would be the one I would go for.
Exactly. Hogan's confidence about picking himself every week is all well and good, but whether or not he can stay match fit is the major question. I like him but even his time at Brentford was marred by frequent injury, for a pretty young guy he's been riddled. We can't rely on him to lead the line every week, particularly if we're looking at facing Playoff games in May.
Ulloa seems to be top of the list for Bruce but I'd like to think we've at least attempted a deal for Ings, who would be better suited for me.
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Derby were left reeling today after their promotion hopes suffered a massive setback with the news that they are on the verge of signing Cameron Jerome.
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Bruce claims to have one almost done and another who is not on any radar at present ........................................... ???
I would imagine some aging Premier player who has been around a few clubs - Brucie like his "experience"
I think at this point of the season in a short term capacity not altogether a bad idea though. Ulloa will bring that, but if he sprinkles in that defender from Man U he gets a bit of both and someone who can provide good cover for Chester and Terry. Wouldn’t mind a forward in as well despite Hogan’s recent improvement, but not the end of the world if that doesn’t happen.
I think a forward on loan is a must really. Hogan has done well over the last couple of games, but is very injury prone. If he gets injured, we are looking at entering what looks as thoughh it could be a critical time of the season with Davis or RHM leading the line (with Agbonlahor missing in non-action). If we were to make only one signing in this window, that would be the one I would go for.
Exactly. Hogan's confidence about picking himself every week is all well and good, but whether or not he can stay match fit is the major question. I like him but even his time at Brentford was marred by frequent injury, for a pretty young guy he's been riddled. We can't rely on him to lead the line every week, particularly if we're looking at facing Playoff games in May.
Ulloa seems to be top of the list for Bruce but I'd like to think we've at least attempted a deal for Ings, who would be better suited for me.
The problem with Ings is that he's had a few nasty injuries himself and might be a risk. I'd go with Ulloa.
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I do wonder what assurances of a starting spot with come with signing Ulloa? The way we are set up now with one up front and finding ways to get the ball to Hogan is working well. Would it work as well with Ulloa and would he accept a spot on the bench because Hogan is first choice?
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I do wonder what assurances of a starting spot with come with signing Ulloa? The way we are set up now with one up front and finding ways to get the ball to Hogan is working well. Would it work as well with Ulloa and would he accept a spot on the bench because Hogan is first choice?
Are you discounting the possibility of Hogan & Ulloa playing together ?. If they did, I wonder what our line up would be (?)................Godzvilla
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I do wonder what assurances of a starting spot with come with signing Ulloa? The way we are set up now with one up front and finding ways to get the ball to Hogan is working well. Would it work as well with Ulloa and would he accept a spot on the bench because Hogan is first choice?
Are you discounting the possibility of Hogan & Ulloa playing together ?. If they did, I wonder what our line up would be (?)................Godzvilla
No they certainly could, but despite suggesting at one point he wanted to play that way Bruce hasn’t tried it often at all. But it’s a possibility. Maybe a 4-1-3-2 system?
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Jose has sanctioned Axel going out on loan (told press post match)
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I do wonder what assurances of a starting spot with come with signing Ulloa? The way we are set up now with one up front and finding ways to get the ball to Hogan is working well. Would it work as well with Ulloa and would he accept a spot on the bench because Hogan is first choice?
If he comes on loan then I don't think we need to make too many assurances. He's not going to be match fit to start with and with Hogan in form, he'll probably come off the bench. If Hogan starts to struggle or get injured, then Ulloa could come in, but it will be good to have another option for the run-in.
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I do wonder what assurances of a starting spot with come with signing Ulloa? The way we are set up now with one up front and finding ways to get the ball to Hogan is working well. Would it work as well with Ulloa and would he accept a spot on the bench because Hogan is first choice?
If he comes on loan then I don't think we need to make too many assurances. He's not going to be match fit to start with and with Hogan in form, he'll probably come off the bench. If Hogan starts to struggle or get injured, then Ulloa could come in, but it will be good to have another option for the run-in.
Absolutely. Leo hasn't even had the opportunity to make any late-doors cameos at Leicester this season, so hopefully he'll be happy to come & make the most of being 'wanted' by another club.
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If Bruce is looking at bringing in Tuanzebe and a striker, I reckon he's still planning to go 3-5-2 for a large part of the remainder of the season. Tuanzebe and Chester either side of Terry and Ulloa (possibly) and Hogan upfront (with Davies as an option from the bench).
As others have said, both Ulloa and Tuanzebe would only come to us with assurances of playing a certain amount of football.
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If Bruce is looking at bringing in Tuanzebe and a striker, I reckon he's still planning to go 3-5-2 for a large part of the remainder of the season. Tuanzebe and Chester either side of Terry and Ulloa (possibly) and Hogan upfront (with Davies as an option from the bench).
As others have said, both Ulloa and Tuanzebe would only come to us with assurances of playing a certain amount of football.
I'd be very surprised if he made such a significant change in formation at this stage of the season when things are going reasonably well.
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I'd like to think we've at least attempted a deal for Ings, who would be better suited for me.
I am sure he was on bench against City at weekend - if so then I doubt he will drop out being that close
What about Sturridge? I know his wages must be huge but he clearly is not required at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' so a part of his wages by us is a part saved by them
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I'd like to think we've at least attempted a deal for Ings, who would be better suited for me.
I am sure he was on bench against City at weekend - if so then I doubt he will drop out being that close
What about Sturridge? I know his wages must be huge but he clearly is not required at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' so a part of his wages by us is a part saved by them
Both will have a few PL clubs after them. I'd say no chance for us whatsoever.
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Not sure Sturbridge is the answer for a Championship promotion fight.
Too injury prone and a bit of a twat.
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Not a player for us at the moment apartfrom the fact he is free, but i see Rodwell has the offer of his contract being ripped up at bottom of the league sunderland if he can find a club. What a downward spiral that lad has had - Surely there is still a decent player in there. Could offer a pay as you play deal till the end of the season and ask him to earn a contract....
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If Bruce is looking at bringing in Tuanzebe and a striker, I reckon he's still planning to go 3-5-2 for a large part of the remainder of the season. Tuanzebe and Chester either side of Terry and Ulloa (possibly) and Hogan upfront (with Davies as an option from the bench).
As others have said, both Ulloa and Tuanzebe would only come to us with assurances of playing a certain amount of football.
Haven't we played 4-1-4-1 recently? It looks pretty good to me.
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Aye it's certainly been more effective.
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Not a player for us at the moment apartfrom the fact he is free, but i see Rodwell has the offer of his contract being ripped up at bottom of the league sunderland if he can find a club. What a downward spiral that lad has had - Surely there is still a decent player in there. Could offer a pay as you play deal till the end of the season and ask him to earn a contract....
Fuck no, he's as broken and irredeemable as Richards.
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Tuanzebe can play the anchor role too so Bruce may see him as a preference to Whelan. Hogan has only recently come good and Ulloa is more of a hold-up striker so it maybe to try and ensure the squad has what it needs to make a push until the end of the season.
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How do fit in Barney, Henri, Josh and Mile then? Too many midfielders as it is.
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Not a player for us at the moment apartfrom the fact he is free, but i see Rodwell has the offer of his contract being ripped up at bottom of the league sunderland if he can find a club. What a downward spiral that lad has had - Surely there is still a decent player in there. Could offer a pay as you play deal till the end of the season and ask him to earn a contract....
Fuck no, he's as broken and irredeemable as Richards.
Aye. He is on 70 grand a week till august 2019. The is just Sunderland trying to publicly shame him into leaving. He won't, mainly because he is no longer a footballer. He doesnt play and has no interest in playing.
Richards is on 60 grand a week on a similar timeline.
Pretty shameful of both players to steal that kind of money really.
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I think we should sell a few, Lansbury, Mad Tom, one or two of the right backs, Barney and McCormack.
Might be able to bring in someone that improves the XI then.
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"Real Madrid open to Ronaldo leaving"
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12087/11209974/real-madrid-open-to-cristiano-ronaldo-exit-but-man-utd-interest-complicated-says-guillem-balague
Get yer bid in Tone! Obviously he will have to fight for his place in the Villa squad but I would take him.
8)
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I think we should sell a few, Lansbury, Mad Tom, one or two of the right backs, Barney and McCormack.
Might be able to bring in someone that improves the XI then.
I'm not sure I'd weaken the squad selling that many players to bring in one.
Ulloa not in the Leicester squad again tonight.
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Yes. you are
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Didn’t he win the Premier League with them 18 months ago and you are turning your nose up?
You have been paying attention to what’s happened at VP over the last eight years?
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Shouldn’t you be over on SHA worrying about your demise to League One?
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...it's all they pay attention to
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Am I alone in thinking we have enough players at our disposal to get out of this division ? I think half our problem is too much choice and Steve not knowing what to do with what’s at his disposal . We seem to be building some cohesion and team ethic . I don’t want anyone else on board not even Ronaldo ( although it would be typical Villa To pay over the odds for someone coming to the end of their career looking for a nice little earner)
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Am I alone in thinking we have enough players at our disposal to get out of this division ? I think half our problem is too much choice and Steve not knowing what to do with what’s at his disposal . We seem to be building some cohesion and team ethic . I don’t want anyone else on board not even Ronaldo ( although it would be typical Villa To pay over the odds for someone coming to the end of their career looking for a nice little earner)
I understand where you're coming from but I think going the rest of the season with just Hogan, Davis and RHM would be a risk. I'm not sure we need anyone other than a striker though.
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I think we need another striker. Hogan still doesn't convince and is injury prone, Davis has lost the plot (not necessarily permanently), RHM is untested and Gabby is Gabby.
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We definitely need a striker , with the way we play we need someone who can hold the ball up ..Davis is good at this but still young and a bit up and down performance wise.
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Fuck me this is getting old. You’re not a fan or customer of Aston Villa. That’s abundantly clear. You come on here on to complain. I’ve yet to see you post anything remotely positive which suggests you might need a name change.
TrollNOTVilla
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Back under your bridge please
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I don't think Sanchez is worth all this fuss, let alone all that money. Although we live in a crazy football world where a thirty year old Jonny Evans is worth thirty million quid and Paul Lambert is considered good enough for a Premier League managers job. I'm seriously considering circulating my 'Championship Manager' CV to all the clubs in the top four divisions.
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Would that be the same Leicester fucking City who a couple of years ago became the first Midlands team to become champions of England since The Villa in 1981?
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
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Ulloa hasn't been in The Leicester team for about 2 years! How depressing is it sniffing around the bargin basement of Leicester fucking City.
Tragic. :(
Fuck me this is getting old. You’re not a fan or customer of Aston Villa. That’s abundantly clear. You come on here on to complain. I’ve yet to see you post anything remotely positive which suggests you might need a name change.
TrollNOTVilla
Quite. I checked his posting history and he made two posts in the week after the five-nil win after Bristol. One bemoaning how far we still were behind Wolves and one saying that the five-nil was a fluke one-off.
If you can't enjoy a 5-0 win, you'd be better getting another hobby. It does seem more likely he's a NoseNOTVilla.
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Didn’t he win the Premier League with them 18 months ago and you are turning your nose up?
You have been paying attention to what’s happened at VP over the last eight years?
Nose being the operative word.
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
Me too. But we can't afford him this window.
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Didn’t he win the Premier League with them 18 months ago and you are turning your nose up?
You have been paying attention to what’s happened at VP over the last eight years?
Nose being the operative word.
Wonder if he's got his customary ticket in the Holte sorted yet for the game in Feb? Wonder how many thousand will be in there this time?
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
I would have questions about his size and physicality we were to go up. I just remember Westwood struggling with that side of the game in the top flight during his time with us and just wonder if Woods would as well, even though he is sound technically and good on the ball. I have noticed since we have been in the championship that there seem to be a lot more smaller players playing at that level than there is in the top flight (especially in central midfield).
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He has had the habit of always standing out when he plays against us.
Very much in the Barry Bannon mould but better. Am always amazed how everything goes through him yet we always stand off and let him play
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
I would have questions about his size and physicality we were to go up. I just remember Westwood struggling with that side of the game in the top flight during his time with us and just wonder if Woods would as well, even though he is sound technically and good on the ball. I have noticed since we have been in the championship that there seem to be a lot more smaller players playing at that level than there is in the top flight (especially in central midfield).
I always said if Westwood was 2" taller and borrowed Gabby's Gold's Gym membership card he'd be world class.
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Ulloa was great in this division for Brighton.
Would be happy with him as the forward signed this window.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Or we couldn't have guaranteed him game time.
Or he isn't very good.
Or we didn't want him anyway.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Liverpool structured the deal so if he doesn’t play then you have to pay (x)
They wanted guaranteed starting place which is not on offer with us
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Liverpool structured the deal so if he doesn’t play then you have to pay (x)
They wanted guaranteed starting place which is not on offer with us
& 100% shouldn’t be for any player, especially a kid who has no experience who might be brilliant or might struggle.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Says who? He's be second fiddle to Jedi and we are not paying the Dippers for every time he doesn't play.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Apparently we can't compete with Walsall for having a stadium so close to M6 and M5.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Liverpool structured the deal so if he doesn’t play then you have to pay (x)
They wanted guaranteed starting place which is not on offer with us
Mate of mine is a Milwall fan and often complained to me that loaning players was tough now as clubs want it structured as you describe ,a fee to be paid if player doesn't play as well as a loan fee and/or wages paid.
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He has had the habit of always standing out when he plays against us.
Very much in the Barry Bannon mould but better. Am always amazed how everything goes through him yet we always stand off and let him play
I haven't seen much of Brentford, but he's been good every time I have seen them.
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Getting charged by Spudzz for not playing the under-whelming Onomah, can you imagine it? Fuck that!
Although turn it the other way round and we'd make our money back on Tshibola in the space of a few weeks. Or Gil, Gardner, Gollini... actually Gary's been playing well by all accounts recently so fair play. It felt weird at Forest last weekend that he wasn't playing for one of the teams. Ditto this weekend with him being club-tied for Barnsley.
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
I would have questions about his size and physicality we were to go up. I just remember Westwood struggling with that side of the game in the top flight during his time with us and just wonder if Woods would as well, even though he is sound technically and good on the ball. I have noticed since we have been in the championship that there seem to be a lot more smaller players playing at that level than there is in the top flight (especially in central midfield).
I always said if Westwood was 2" taller and borrowed Gabby's Gold's Gym membership card he'd be world class.
He came back from one pre-season massively bulked up with muscle. He was still rubbish.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
The Liverpool midfielder you haven't named so have no idea who you mean and I will never have heard of unless he's in their first team? How low has this club sunk etc....
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Sunderland have reportedly opened talks to sign Derby County striker Chris Martin on loan.
According to Sky Sports, Derby made Martin available for loan earlier this week.
Gary Rowett has recently admitted that the striker could leave this month in search for more game time.
I like all Chris Martins! The striker variety would fit villa in winter window come in from the cold Chris and play. I wonder if he would get enough game time as a striker 'in my place' of others.
Chris Martin : Oh, I want something just like this!!!
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I hate Chris Martins.
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I think Ryan Woods from Brentford would be the ideal replacement for Whelan. Has the same qualities but lots of energy and plays forward. for me-we still need this kind of playmaker in the centre of midfield.
I rate Woods, always looks a good player to me.
I would have questions about his size and physicality we were to go up. I just remember Westwood struggling with that side of the game in the top flight during his time with us and just wonder if Woods would as well, even though he is sound technically and good on the ball. I have noticed since we have been in the championship that there seem to be a lot more smaller players playing at that level than there is in the top flight (especially in central midfield).
We'll it's the winter windy and as he's that good we can't see the woods for the bees
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I hate Chris Martins.
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And I will try to fix you
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He's absolute shite. So is the footballer.
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He's absolute shite. So is the footballer.
Certainly agree for the pretentious singing cock version - what an absolute wanker he is
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We could borrow him for a month, then have a conscious uncoupling.
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Apprently we couldn’t even compete with Cardiff for that Liverpool midfielder.
Liverpool structured the deal so if he doesn’t play then you have to pay (x)
They wanted guaranteed starting place which is not on offer with us
Althoug it appears to have been for Onomah ...
... just sayin’
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I hate Chris Martins.
Indeed - both and
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My dog hates Bob Martins.
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My feet hate Doc Martens
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The Martin thing is simply a highlight of a profile type player to add to the villas forward line.
Similarly how Chelsea are looking to bring in a target man from Andy Carroll, Peter Crouch or Edin Dzeko.
I think a lot of people here are wanting a striker to come in and that striker must have certain qualities but chiefly someone who will contribute with goals.
I like Hogan and Davis to play together however Bruce isn't seemingly taking this as option so a striker who is like Heskey isn't wanted if he isn't a goal scorer too.
Walters injured, Martin experienced and Ulloa quality are 3.
Ulloa would be the far better signing and would really add the class.
Afobe or Grabban, Ings could be options and also be welcome additions however I would like Solanke or Woodburn from Liverpool rather than Ings.
However I would not consider calculated risks of Mcburnie who wouldn't necessarily add other than an extra squad member.
Berhanio would be a risk.
Wishful thinking?
Looking at strikers then I rather have fluid and attacking minded players rather than simply a traditional forward(unless Ulloa) so rather than a Gary Medine or Leon Clarke a Tom Cairney or James Maddison would be very welcome indeed.
Derby have seemingly some great attacking players on their roster. Tom Lawrence supporting striker and Matěj Vydra are players that do well in Derby system but signing Jerome gives them options. Look at Sheffield united too signing James Wilson on loan. Therefore think it's imperative to sign a striker and Bruce /Villa would likely guzump these signings as have the calibre of bringing in quality so hopeful of Ulloa.
How Bruce sees it:
It makes sense and concluding then that the look out is for a traditional forward which may be uninspiring but fits into Bruces style of playing football.
No striker signing? Then this :
Adomah and hogan could play up front with green playing as left or right wing and grealish or Snodgrass behind the striker as an option. Lansbury can play as an attacking midfielder so squad wise a presence and hold up player with ariel prowess must be something to be looking at.
Onomah has played too high up or needlessly on the left and be best suited to a general midfield role like a Kroos or even deeper Matic. (examples!)
So to finish villa only want a striker who scores not some one who does nt but that going to cost money however the benefits and reward will come with promotion.
Onto Tuanzbee. Looks interesting and solid deal a left back cover if not starter and a solid midfielder to compete with Whelan and Jedinak.
2 loans and an exit or 2 will be just the support.
A plan for the immediate future and regard to finance will see a good reward!
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Wait, Chelsea are after Crouch???
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Wait, Chelsea are after Crouch???
Yeah, because the Carroll deal is off.
This is the team that had Costa only a short time ago...
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Wait, Chelsea are after Crouch???
First they wanted Carroll, but he is injured and now Crouch. Depending on who has instigated these bids it smacks of either the manager trying to make a point to the board regarding his unhappiness about the transfer policy he has publicly complained about and deliberately attempting to piss them off or the board attempting to piss the manager off by buying these players and hoping he walks. I predict another managerial change soon at Chelsea, although that hardly makes me Mystic Meg.
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They sound so desperate, maybe they'll come in for Agbonlahor? Only if Grant Holt turns them down, obviously.
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I wonder if this is the ´under the radar ´player, Brucie was talking about (?) . 6ft plus , 78 kgs ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcvA-LFg8u0 ) ..........better get him in before Chelsea find out!..........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa interested in Stéphane Bahoken
Championship side Aston Villa are interested in signing Strasbourg’s 25-year-old attacker Stéphane Bahoken on loan this month, according to RMC.
The player is out of contract at the end of the current campaign and so a loan offer for the Ligue 1 side is a very bad option.
As it stands, Bahoken is most likely to leave Strasbourg at the end of his current contract for free in summer, when he can join any club of his choosing.
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This one is a better goal -
Looking at the videos he has some ability but he hasn't scored many and doesn't seem to have ever really established himself in their team. Given they're in the french 2nd division you wouldn't have huge expectations, but maybe a club that gets the ball into the box better would suit him.
I think 'meh' is the simplest way to sum that one up.
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This one is a better goal -
Looking at the videos he has some ability but he hasn't scored many and doesn't seem to have ever really established himself in their team. Given they're in the french 2nd division you wouldn't have huge expectations, but maybe a club that gets the ball into the box better would suit him.
I think 'meh' is the simplest way to sum that one up.
They're mid table in the top flight.
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hmm, did I look at completely the wrong team, wouldn't surprise me, I've had a bad day.
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Ah no, I looked at last seasons table.
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
Probably didn't help that they had a manager that didn't believe in them and a bellend in the dressing room like Richards who along with Gabby made the environment quite poisonous. I certainly would base my entire feelings regarding potential signings from that episode. There's more than enough examples of them doing just fine when they have moved to other clubs from France.
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;D
I'm kneeling before the altar begging this to come true
Please Jebus let this happen (https://www.myoldmansaid.com/chelsea-line-up-shock-transfer-for-villa-striker-gabby-agbonlahor/)
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
Probably didn't help that they had a manager that didn't believe in them and a bellend in the dressing room like Richards who along with Gabby made the environment quite poisonous. I certainly would base my entire feelings regarding potential signings from that episode. There's more than enough examples of them doing just fine when they have moved to other clubs from France.
Where’s the evidence that Richards and Agbonlahor are “bellends” in the dressing room?
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
Probably didn't help that they had a manager that didn't believe in them and a bellend in the dressing room like Richards who along with Gabby made the environment quite poisonous. I certainly would base my entire feelings regarding potential signings from that episode. There's more than enough examples of them doing just fine when they have moved to other clubs from France.
Where’s the evidence that Richards and Agbonlahor are “bellends” in the dressing room?
they are both Bellends
they are both in the dressing room
guilty as charged
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
Probably didn't help that they had a manager that didn't believe in them and a bellend in the dressing room like Richards who along with Gabby made the environment quite poisonous. I certainly would base my entire feelings regarding potential signings from that episode. There's more than enough examples of them doing just fine when they have moved to other clubs from France.
Where’s the evidence that Richards and Agbonlahor are “bellends” in the dressing room?
they are both Bellends
they are both in the dressing room
guilty as charged
So no evidence then.
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Considering the time it took for our other French recruits to acclimatise I don't think it's worth the risk. If we go up I'm not sure what he'll add, if we don't then why not wait until that eventuality and he probably won't hit the ground running or for at least 10 games so it seems odd at best.
How long did it take Kodjia at Bristol City?
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Don't know if this has been mentioned but just reading that report on the bbc site. Season we went down we were paying £111m in wages and in the top20 european clubs with the biggest wages bill or put it another way with a 32 man squad we were paying an average of 66k a week. No wonder we're looking for loan deals ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42715295 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42715295)
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We should be splashing out a bit more and take a fine when in the EPL like Leicester and others have done. We may regret going half arsed. We are in a good position but an injury to Jack for example and we'll be back to being mediocre. Oliveira from Norwich please. We can also use these players in the EPL.
If we don't go up this season we are fucked anyway so might as well gamble. What kind of business man is Xia?
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We should be splashing out a bit more and take a fine when in the EPL like Leicester and others have done. We may regret going half arsed. We are in a good position but an injury to Jack for example and we'll be back to being mediocre. Oliveira from Norwich please. We can also use these players in the EPL.
If we don't go up this season we are fucked anyway so might as well gamble. What kind of business man is Xia?
Well you can be deducted points or denied promotion, so wouldn't be such a great idea.
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Hmm are you sure? This must be a new rule then.
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Hmm are you sure? This must be a new rule then.
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/ (http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/)
...clubs now have to submit a financial projection for the season that is still taking place. All the information has to be with the Football League by the 1 March. The Football League have confirmed that they are aiming to have any punishments announced before the end of the season.
...what are the potential punishments? Previously the Football League has only been able to either; fine promoted clubs (a fine the Premier League didn’t help them collect), or impose a transfer embargo for historic overspending (which always like a stable-door/horse scenario). With this change, a wide range of punishments are now available. Nothing is off the table; the Football League are now able to impose a points deduction during the current season, or demote a club from an automatic promotion position into the play-offs (or out of the play-offs altogether). Transfer embargoes are also available (with the earliest one potentially applying during the Summer 2017 Transfer window.
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We should be splashing out a bit more and take a fine when in the EPL like Leicester and others have done. We may regret going half arsed. We are in a good position but an injury to Jack for example and we'll be back to being mediocre. Oliveira from Norwich please. We can also use these players in the EPL.
If we don't go up this season we are fucked anyway so might as well gamble. What kind of business man is Xia?
I am so pleased you are not in charge of our transfer dealings Customer.
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We should be splashing out a bit more and take a fine when in the EPL like Leicester and others have done. We may regret going half arsed. We are in a good position but an injury to Jack for example and we'll be back to being mediocre. Oliveira from Norwich please. We can also use these players in the EPL.
If we don't go up this season we are fucked anyway so might as well gamble. What kind of business man is Xia?
I am so pleased you are not in charge of our transfer dealings Customer.
And me
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What kind of business man is Xia?
All the evidence would suggest, a good one.
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Hmm are you sure? This must be a new rule then.
Yes.
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
That'll please the locals (down here). Not.
Maybe Benteke will be shipped-out if Leo decides to sip from the poisoned Palace chalice?
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If we were called Chelsea , Man City or man utd we wouldn't have to worry about FFP restrictions.
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If we were called Chelsea , Man City or man utd we wouldn't have to worry about FFP restrictions.
Correct because we’d be in the Premier League with all the revenue that attracts
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
That'll please the locals (down here). Not.
Maybe Benteke will be shipped-out if Leo decides to sip from the poisoned Palace chalice?
This is confusing most Palace fans, because they already have two domestic loans. None of them want the ones they already have sent back.
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If we were called Chelsea , Man City or man utd we wouldn't have to worry about FFP restrictions.
Correct because we’d be in the Premier League with all the revenue that attracts
This.
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
That'll please the locals (down here). Not.
Maybe Benteke will be shipped-out if Leo decides to sip from the poisoned Palace chalice?
This is confusing most Palace fans, because they already have two domestic loans. None of them want the ones they already have sent back.
Perhaps the loanees are on short-term loan contracts; or available for sale; or wanted back by their parent clubs; or Hodgson has decided a loaned or purchased new striker is a priority &/or he wants rid of Benteke; or... ??
It's a Johnny Nash job, innit. ;)
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Keith Wyness pulled out of the Lions Club meeting before the game yesterday, as he had a VIP guest to look after. The implication was a new signing/loanee.
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Tony has just tweeted something which probably means a signing is imminent.
Unless it means something completely different.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
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It's not Lewis Grabban.
However and it's what ever you wish to spend.
If people fancy doubling their money then bet responsibly on Grabban to leave Bournemouth it's even money.
Cardiff likely destination perhaps. That said money markets on betting sites for those that do have Grabban to leave Bournemouth at even moneys. There may be a wait before leaving but money down for his departure can provide those with a nice little earner for Jan.
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Deal agreed. Will be signing in the next 24 hours.
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No.24 is Tommy Elphick. Perhaps he is indicating a new 5 year contract for him?
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No.24 is Tommy Elphick. Perhaps he is indicating a new 5 year contract for him?
Nah, that's the contract Gabby will soon be getting...
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It's not Lewis Grabban.
However and it's what ever you wish to spend.
If people fancy doubling their money then bet responsibly on Grabban to leave Bournemouth it's even money.
Cardiff likely destination perhaps. That said money markets on betting sites for those that do have Grabban to leave Bournemouth at even moneys. There may be a wait before leaving but money down for his departure can provide those with a nice little earner for Jan.
All that's missing is "My sources are saying...."
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Keith Wyness pulled out of the Lions Club meeting before the game yesterday, as he had a VIP guest to look after. The implication was a new signing/loanee.
More likely it was Ian Bell
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
Apparently Tuanzebe was at the game yesterday so putting two and two together I reckon it's Ian Bell.
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Luke Shaw thinks he's alreet:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/906888/Manchester-United-Axel-Tuanzebe-Aston-Villa-Luke-Shaw-EFL-Championship
But don't think CB is a priority for us, with the limited pot available.
Yes, we could prob do with cover. But the idea behind those sort of loan moves is the player gets game time with us, and he's unlikely to be starting ahead of either Terry or Chester this year. Mad Tom's recent upturn in form would mean he should be fine coming in as next cab off the rank.
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Think axel coming in means we are selling Elphick or de Laet (maybe even both) to free up some cash
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Surely this ManUre fella isn't coming to warm the bench, he can do that at Yanited. And he's not gonna split Terry and Chester up, their relationship is solid. Will he be our latest in a long line of right backs?
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He can play def midfield too so with Jedinak awol most weeks, Whelan not exactly pulling up trees & Bjarnasson only just getting in side i’d expect that to be his position....maybe free up Onomah to be sent back to Spuds?
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Marriott at Peterborough has scored 24 goals thus far. Just pointing it out.
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Ulloa rumoured to be joining Palace now?
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Marriott at Peterborough has scored 24 goals thus far. Just pointing it out.
Peterborough seem to have brought through quite a few prolific strikers in recent times. None of them seem to go on to very much though.
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Ulloa rumoured to be joining Palace now?
That's what the Express are saying.
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Well if the oracle readers of Xia are correct we are going to sign someone soon. Wonder who it is.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
Apparently Tuanzebe was at the game yesterday so putting two and two together I reckon it's Ian Bell.
I was at the game yesterday, so hopefully this means my childhood dream of signing for Villa is coming true.
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
That'll please the locals (down here). Not.
Maybe Benteke will be shipped-out if Leo decides to sip from the poisoned Palace chalice?
This is confusing most Palace fans, because they already have two domestic loans. None of them want the ones they already have sent back.
Talk that loftus cheek is out for the season so they may cancel the loan and free up space for a new one
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
Apparently Tuanzebe was at the game yesterday so putting two and two together I reckon it's Ian Bell.
I was at the game yesterday, so hopefully this means my childhood dream of signing for Villa is coming true.
You are Ian Bell?? Elite is one of my favourite games of all time! Legend mate.
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Reports this morning suggest Palace have won the battle for Ulloa (sp).
That'll please the locals (down here). Not.
Maybe Benteke will be shipped-out if Leo decides to sip from the poisoned Palace chalice?
This is confusing most Palace fans, because they already have two domestic loans. None of them want the ones they already have sent back.
Talk that loftus cheek is out for the season so they may cancel the loan and free up space for a new one
Shame we didn't do that when Jetmaine Jenas suffered a similar fate. Didn't we have to carry on paying?
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
Apparently Tuanzebe was at the game yesterday so putting two and two together I reckon it's Ian Bell.
I was at the game yesterday, so hopefully this means my childhood dream of signing for Villa is coming true.
Oi! Get to the back of the queue, I've been waiting for longer.
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Villa seem to be making a habit of signing players on my birthday, which is tomorrow so good chance of some news then in that case.
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Real shame if we miss out on Ulloa, and I very much hope Bruce has a backup play. Hogan is made of glass, while Davis can't lead the line for weeks on end. Need a genuine option who can benefit from the exceptional service they will get from Snodgrass, Elmo, Adomah and Grealish. Rarely have we looked this creative, a striker like Ulloa would have a field day. Mind you so would Benteke.
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Without wanting to put two and two together and making five, the fact we were supposedly thinking about Van Persie suggests there are leftfield options and a player like Benteke is not such a ridiculous bet. Not that I think that would happen, but if they pulled that off...even I'd consider automatic promotion a near-certainty.
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As much as we would love Benteke there is nothing at all to suggest Benteke would give two fucks about coming back to us as a Championship club given how hard he worked to get away as a PL one.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/955060831787433984
Doc confirming the new signing. Tuanzebe?
Apparently Tuanzebe was at the game yesterday so putting two and two together I reckon it's Ian Bell.
I was at the game yesterday, so hopefully this means my childhood dream of signing for Villa is coming true.
You are Ian Bell?? Elite is one of my favourite games of all time! Legend mate.
I thought he was Richard E Grant.
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As much as we would love Benteke there is nothing at all to suggest Benteke would give two fucks about coming back to us as a Championship club given how hard he worked to get away as a PL one.
There was mention on TalkSport last week about him possibly going to Chelsea.
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As much as we would love Benteke there is nothing at all to suggest Benteke would give two fucks about coming back to us as a Championship club given how hard he worked to get away as a PL one.
He might be interested just till the end of the season (or possibly longer if we go up). He certainly doesn't seem happy at Palace at the moment.
I got excited when we were linked with Tuanzebe. I thought it meant we were signing three players. Two unnamed players and one called Zebe!
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As much as we would love Benteke there is nothing at all to suggest Benteke would give two fucks about coming back to us as a Championship club given how hard he worked to get away as a PL one.
There was mention on TalkSport last week about him possibly going to Chelsea.
yes with Caroll . Crouch . Gabby and Ashley Barnes
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Lol Chelsea looking at Ashley Barnes. Someone is trying to force Conte out the door there.
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BENTEKE IS NOT COMING BACK TO VILLA
MOVE ON
TRY
PORNHUB
XHAMSTER
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I imagine Chelsea have already made a bid for Pornhub. They're desperate to obtain a big lump up front.
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Lol Chelsea looking at Ashley Barnes. Someone is trying to force Conte out the door there.
That's the only possible reason they could be looking at a one in seven striker from Burnley.
Amazing stuff. They're third or fourth currently aren't they? The sense of entitlement is incredible.
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It's just most bizarre. Surely Chelsea could go and find a decent target man pretty much of whoever Conte chooses. It's almost like he has asked for target man, the board have said yes, then offered him Jozy Altitore and said ha, ask for another, dare you. He will walk soon and then claim constructive dismissal. All very very strange. Bet Arsenal fans would take Conte in a flash.
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Burnley reportedly signing winger Aaron Lennon this morning, could that free up Nahki Wells ?, he was rumoured to be a target not so long ago. He always frightened the hell out of me when he came on against us ( for Uddersfield ), fast, direct and a goalscorer, in the Championship. Does´nt seem to have cut it in the Preemiership w/Burnley, though , hence Lennon......................Godzvilla!
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It's just most bizarre. Surely Chelsea could go and find a decent target man pretty much of whoever Conte chooses. It's almost like he has asked for target man, the board have said yes, then offered him Jozy Altitore and said ha, ask for another, dare you. He will walk soon and then claim constructive dismissal. All very very strange. Bet Arsenal fans would take Conte in a flash.
Maybe we can tempt him to Villa, where he can team up with his target hitman Gabby.
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It's just most bizarre. Surely Chelsea could go and find a decent target man pretty much of whoever Conte chooses. It's almost like he has asked for target man, the board have said yes, then offered him Jozy Altitore and said ha, ask for another, dare you. He will walk soon and then claim constructive dismissal. All very very strange. Bet Arsenal fans would take Conte in a flash.
Maybe we can tempt him to Villa, where he can team up with his target hitman Gabby.
The Gabby thing was a joke, you do realise that don't you?
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Burnley reportedly signing winger Aaron Lennon this morning, could that free up Nahki Wells ?, he was rumoured to be a target not so long ago. He always frightened the hell out of me when he came on against us ( for Uddersfield ), fast, direct and a goalscorer, in the Championship. Does´nt seem to have cut it in the Preemiership w/Burnley, though , hence Lennon......................Godzvilla!
He has been previously linked with us in the press and I think a loan until the end of the season would be a good move really.
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Although a different style, Wells would be a great option.
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The Gabby thing was a joke, you do realise that don't you?
Not even going to credit that with an answer.
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Although a different style, Wells would be a great option.
Early last season when we were playing Huddersfield off the park, the game turned when Wells came on for them. He caused us all sorts of problems, and at this level he would be a good signing. Pace, running and an eye for goal.
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Wells played for Bradford in that League Cup semi, didn't he ?
I think that was where I first became aware of him.
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The Gabby thing was a joke, you do realise that don't you?
Not even going to credit that with an answer.
Mind you.. If you wanted to force Conte out giving him Gabby and Richards would do it I reckon
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Although a different style, Wells would be a great option.
Early last season when we were playing Huddersfield off the park, the game turned when Wells came on for them. He caused us all sorts of problems, and at this level he would be a good signing. Pace, running and an eye for goal.
Yep, remember that too. He was a real nuisance when he came on that day.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
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I agree, Risso. That might be a first too!
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
I can see that point of view. I still think if SGT hadn't signed Cascarino when he did that we would have gone on to win the league, it disrupted a team that was on good form.
Having said that I do worry what would happen if Hogan picked up a knock.
I am happy with what we have in defence (especially with the form of Hutton at left back meaning we now have two of them, and Elphick having started to look like the player we though we had signed).
I am also happy-ish with midfield, and wouldn't bring anyone in unless we shifted some deadwood first.
Not sure I see the point in signing the Man U reserve we have been linked with, he should not be getting a place ahead of either Terry or Chester. We have a lot of decent right backs, and he should not be getting in ahead of Jedinack when fit. We already have Whelan and Barney as back up there too. Pointless signing.
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There are plenty of other reasons they failed other than 'they took time to settle'. Playing them in the right position being one. Elmo and Terry never stuffed from that and settled immediately. Snodgrass was an instant impact, for me the real driving force we so lacked but his problem was more to do with fitness than anything else.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
I can see that point of view. I still think if SGT hadn't signed Cascarino when he did that we would have gone on to win the league, it disrupted a team that was on good form.
The O'Neill signing of Heskey had a similar effect on the team too.
I agree about the point re Hogan. If we do bring somebody in, a striker would be priority.
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There are plenty of other reasons they failed other than 'they took time to settle'. Playing them in the right position being one. Elmo and Terry never stuffed from that and settled immediately. Snodgrass was an instant impact, for me the real driving force we so lacked but his problem was more to do with fitness than anything else.
I think you need to go back and have a read of the match threads and the John Terry thread at the start of the season, nobody on here was very happy at all with his performances.
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There are plenty of other reasons they failed other than 'they took time to settle'. Playing them in the right position being one. Elmo and Terry never stuffed from that and settled immediately. Snodgrass was an instant impact, for me the real driving force we so lacked but his problem was more to do with fitness than anything else.
I think you need to go back and have a read of the match threads and the John Terry thread at the start of the season, nobody on here was very happy at all with his performances.
Just had a quick look. Most posts focus on the ineptitude of Bruce and the bullshit that came out his mouth. It was Chester, not Terry that was having a stinker early doors as he was no longer playing in his natural/favoured position. Neither were great but then nobody in the team was playing well.
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I think Terry has been mainly immense since the Reading away game, I think that was the third game of the season.
Elmo and Snodgrass have been mainly good since day 1 with the odd indifferent game.
I would still like to see the insurance of another centre back and centre forward this window, Elphick looked better recently and theyve finally worked Hogan successfully into the mix but a bit more would be good in case of injuries in those positions.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
An on loan centre forward aside, I would agree.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
I agree with you.
Or as the cool guys say: This.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
I agree with you.
Or as the cool guys say: This.
What they said.
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Has Ritchie de Laet gone to Antwerp?
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Seems like it judging by his Twitter page.
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Seems a good move for all as he's not played much.
I thought he did OK in the games he did play.
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Not the worst player I've seen, injury just knackered him and we're well stocked at right back.
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Via Google Translate...
Does Ritchie De Laet react to the rumors about a return to Antwerp? Striking tweet suggests that
Photo: © photonews
Antwerp may still be involved in the transfer market and then there is a good chance that the Great Old, with the contacts of Luciano D'Onofrio, will have a well-known name. A player who was linked to the PhD student on Monday morning is Ritchie De Laet.
Although the talks between Antwerp and De Laet are not concrete, the interest is mutual, Monday morning in Het Laatste Nieuws . ( Read HERE about a possible loan to the Great Old )
On Monday afternoon, the 29-year-old defender of Aston Villa sent a striking tweet into the world. "I know nothing," wrote De Laet, who also adjusted his profile picture on Twitter. A photo in the shirt of The Vilans made way for one with the logo of Antwerp .
The Belgian neo-first division is the club of his heart, that De Laet never left. Earlier the rearguard player flirted once with a return to the Bosuil. On Sunday he followed the cracker back Club Brugge as well.
Read more: https://www.voetbalkrant.com/nl/nieuws/lees/2018-01-22/reageert-ritchie-de-laet-op-de-geruchten#ixzz54vq0h133
I've no idea what "following the cracker back" entails, but I think it might be racist.
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A shame really because he might have been useful next season if we get back up and he didn't look a bad player but it's understandable.
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
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I'd like to see all transfer rumours put through Google Translate.
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Via Google Translate...
Does Ritchie De Laet react to the rumors about a return to Antwerp? Striking tweet suggests that
Photo: © photonews
Antwerp may still be involved in the transfer market and then there is a good chance that the Great Old, with the contacts of Luciano D'Onofrio, will have a well-known name. A player who was linked to the PhD student on Monday morning is Ritchie De Laet.
Although the talks between Antwerp and De Laet are not concrete, the interest is mutual, Monday morning in Het Laatste Nieuws . ( Read HERE about a possible loan to the Great Old )
On Monday afternoon, the 29-year-old defender of Aston Villa sent a striking tweet into the world. "I know nothing," wrote De Laet, who also adjusted his profile picture on Twitter. A photo in the shirt of The Vilans made way for one with the logo of Antwerp .
The Belgian neo-first division is the club of his heart, that De Laet never left. Earlier the rearguard player flirted once with a return to the Bosuil. On Sunday he followed the cracker back Club Brugge as well.
Read more: https://www.voetbalkrant.com/nl/nieuws/lees/2018-01-22/reageert-ritchie-de-laet-op-de-geruchten#ixzz54vq0h133
I've no idea what "following the cracker back" entails, but I think it might be racist.
I reckon it's a 'typo' & should've read Crackerjack. Thus, the racist link is with a brummegem's very own 'Don Maclean, who - prior to his hilario double-teaming with Peter 'Chuckles' Glaze on Crapperjack - was compare on the Black & White Minstrel Show.
And not a lot of people know that.
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Loan only? Apparently he's been seen with some PhD student on the streets of Antwerp.
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Loan only? Apparently he's been seen with some PhD student on the streets of Antwerp.
Was that before or after him sending his 'striking' tweet out into the world i.e "I know nothing"?
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Loan only? Apparently he's been seen with some PhD student on the streets of Antwerp.
Was that before or after him sending his 'striking' tweet out into the world i.e "I know nothing"?
I reckon there aren't many footballers that tweet about the Socratic paradox. Mind you, what do I know?
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Loan only? Apparently he's been seen with some PhD student on the streets of Antwerp.
Was that before or after him sending his 'striking' tweet out into the world i.e "I know nothing"?
I reckon there aren't many footballers that tweet about the Socratic paradox. Mind you, what do I know?
Well quite. Mind you, the boy Socrates could play a bit couldn't he? Carnival football gyrating to the infectious samba rhythm isn't it? Marvellous!
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Mind you Pythagoras could only play square or on the hypotenuse.
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we'll this thread has taken an interesting tangent.
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If we can sign a striker that fits with the iron triangle then we are all set.
Got to the kids looking good tonight, Green scoring twice is a bonus. Would like to see him and RHM get some chances soon.
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If we can sign a striker that fits with the iron triangle then we are all set.
Got to the kids looking good tonight, Green scoring twice is a bonus. Would like to see him and RHM get some chances soon.
Green should be on the bench, as he is comfortable on either wing and can offer a bit of pace in the closing stages. Not sure we need three central midfielders on the bench like we had on Saturday.
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For possibly the first time ever, I hope we DON'T sign anybody this window. We've got a nice settled side with competition in most places, and the one thing you can confidently say about most of Bruce's signings for us, is that they have all taken time to settle. I'd hate to bring somebody in who disrupts things.
I can see that point of view. I still think if SGT hadn't signed Cascarino when he did that we would have gone on to win the league, it disrupted a team that was on good form.
Having said that I do worry what would happen if Hogan picked up a knock.
I am happy with what we have in defence (especially with the form of Hutton at left back meaning we now have two of them, and Elphick having started to look like the player we though we had signed).
I am also happy-ish with midfield, and wouldn't bring anyone in unless we shifted some deadwood first.
Not sure I see the point in signing the Man U reserve we have been linked with, he should not be getting a place ahead of either Terry or Chester. We have a lot of decent right backs, and he should not be getting in ahead of Jedinack when fit. We already have Whelan and Barney as back up there too. Pointless signing.
To be fair, I think Olney had 'hit the wall' when we went for Cascarino due to his age and inexperience and how many games he had lead the line in that season. It is only with the hindsight of Cascarino not hitting the ground running that the move is remembered as a disappointment. Although if I remember right he did set up the winning goals in the 1-0 wins against Chelsea and away to Arsenal in the run in. I felt the Heskey signing was to strengthen the depth of the squad in that area more than anything.
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With Heskey, playing one up top had been working for us. Once we signed Heskey, we went with two up top and lost a midfielder and totally changed our shape. So it did upset the squad balance. I would have preferred us to have signed Darren Bent earlier when Harry Redknapp was saying his wife could have taken a chance that he missed and played Bent on his own up top without changing the team's shape. That would have been interesting.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
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We should have signed Ian Wright.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
We’ll never know but I think we’d have won the league. And maybe again 3 years later if we’d have carried on with Regis, Saunders and Yorke instead of bringing Dalian back after his injury. That was understandable though.
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Via Google Translate...
Does Ritchie De Laet react to the rumors about a return to Antwerp? Striking tweet suggests that
Photo: © photonews
Antwerp may still be involved in the transfer market and then there is a good chance that the Great Old, with the contacts of Luciano D'Onofrio, will have a well-known name. A player who was linked to the PhD student on Monday morning is Ritchie De Laet.
Although the talks between Antwerp and De Laet are not concrete, the interest is mutual, Monday morning in Het Laatste Nieuws . ( Read HERE about a possible loan to the Great Old )
On Monday afternoon, the 29-year-old defender of Aston Villa sent a striking tweet into the world. "I know nothing," wrote De Laet, who also adjusted his profile picture on Twitter. A photo in the shirt of The Vilans made way for one with the logo of Antwerp .
The Belgian neo-first division is the club of his heart, that De Laet never left. Earlier the rearguard player flirted once with a return to the Bosuil. On Sunday he followed the cracker back Club Brugge as well.
Read more: https://www.voetbalkrant.com/nl/nieuws/lees/2018-01-22/reageert-ritchie-de-laet-op-de-geruchten#ixzz54vq0h133
I've no idea what "following the cracker back" entails, but I think it might be racist.
I reckon it's a 'typo' & should've read Crackerjack. Thus, the racist link is with a brummegem's very own 'Don Maclean, who - prior to his hilario double-teaming with Peter 'Chuckles' Glaze on Crapperjack - was compare on the Black & White Minstrel Show.
And not a lot of people know that.
Just don’t drop any cabbages (ask your Dad). God I’m getting old.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Sheringham at that age was not all that good. He developed into a clever player a couple of years later. I don’t think he would have helped SGT but could have been great for BFR’s title chase. Alas, our recent history is full of regrets.
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We’ll never know but I think we’d have won the league. And maybe again 3 years later if we’d have carried on with Regis, Saunders and Yorke instead of bringing Dalian back after his injury. That was understandable though.
I remember thinking that the other day. As you say, it was understandable, but with hindsight was the wrong decision.
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I also what would have happened if Les Ferdinand hadn't turned us down in favour of Newcastle.
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I also what would have happened if Les Ferdinand hadn't turned us down in favour of Newcastle.
We might not have seen the emergence of Yorke. Yorkie relished being top striker, and Savo complimented him superbly.
Would have loved to have seen Ferdinand at Villa though.
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We were talking to a couple of QPR fans on the way to Forest the other week about Ferdinand. He's in danger of losing his legend status down there due to some dodgy decisions he's made in his Director of Football role. They hate Holloway with a passion as well.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Sheringham at that age was not all that good. He developed into a clever player a couple of years later. I don’t think he would have helped SGT but could have been great for BFR’s title chase. Alas, our recent history is full of regrets.
I knew little about either, but when we signed Cascarino a Millwall supporting friend called and said: You idiots, you've signed the wrong one! I might have been rude back.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Or if Peter Shilton hadn't pulled off an unbelievable save from a Cascarino diving header late on his debut away at Derby in front of a rammed away end. We won the game anyway but that would have got him up and running confidence wise.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Sheringham at that age was not all that good. He developed into a clever player a couple of years later. I don’t think he would have helped SGT but could have been great for BFR’s title chase. Alas, our recent history is full of regrets.
I remember that a bit differently. Even when we were signing Cascarino it was said we were signing the wrong man, and I’m sure I once heard Taylor claim it was Sheringham that we really wanted but Millwall were having none of it but proceeded to offer Cascarino instead. Whatever it was it was a mistake to sign Cascarino in hindsight.
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In fairness, Cascarino had looked the real deal, and had scored more than Sheringham during the season when we bought him. People seem to think the signing was always going to end in disaster, but that seems like revisionism to me.
I do wonder, as well, whether things might have gone differently if Shilton hadn't produced that miracle save to deny him a debut goal. Still one of my favourite away days, there seemed to be millions of us there to the nine-year-old me.
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Brum Mail reckon Leeds are preparing a £7m double swoop for McCormack and Elphick.
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Brum Mail reckon Leeds are preparing a £7m double swoop for McCormack and Elphick.
off hands snap their
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Sheringham at that age was not all that good. He developed into a clever player a couple of years later. I don’t think he would have helped SGT but could have been great for BFR’s title chase. Alas, our recent history is full of regrets.
I knew little about either, but when we signed Cascarino a Millwall supporting friend called and said: You idiots, you've signed the wrong one! I might have been rude back.
Cascarino was on the fantasy football show on SKY a while back and was telling a story about when he first joined Villa. He said all the players kept calling him 'Teddy', so after a few days of it he asked Paul McGrath why. Apparently McGrath turned round to him and said "it's because they think we've signed the wrong player".
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In fairness, Cascarino had looked the real deal, and had scored more than Sheringham during the season when we bought him. People seem to think the signing was always going to end in disaster, but that seems like revisionism to me.
I do wonder, as well, whether things might have gone differently if Shilton hadn't produced that miracle save to deny him a debut goal. Still one of my favourite away days, there seemed to be millions of us there to the nine-year-old me.
I was well happy when we signed him, it is just like many of the signings I am chuffed with it didn't seem to work for us. Collymore, Baros, Whittingham, Curcic, Ginola, Hadji, McCormack were all players I was excited about. Even Micah Richards and Lescott! Most of our better players seem to be the ones unheralded at the time. Yorke, Platt etc.
If we can take £7m off Leeds for Elphick and McCormack we should do so. Especially if we have the Man Utd defender coming in to replace Elphick, and Ulloa coming in to replace McCormack.
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Cascarino was on the fantasy football show on SKY a while back and was telling a story about when he first joined Villa. He said all the players kept calling him 'Teddy', so after a few days of it he asked Paul McGrath why. Apparently McGrath turned round to him and said "it's because they think we've signed the wrong player".
Dod I read somewhere that he had serious gambling issues whilst at Villa, I don't think his head was n the right place when he was with us. He did well in France a few years later I seem to remember.
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He did well in France because Marseille were pumping him with drugs.
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In fairness, Cascarino had looked the real deal, and had scored more than Sheringham during the season when we bought him. People seem to think the signing was always going to end in disaster, but that seems like revisionism to me.
I do wonder, as well, whether things might have gone differently if Shilton hadn't produced that miracle save to deny him a debut goal. Still one of my favourite away days, there seemed to be millions of us there to the nine-year-old me.
I was well happy when we signed him, it is just like many of the signings I am chuffed with it didn't seem to work for us. Collymore, Baros, Whittingham, Curcic, Ginola, Hadji, McCormack were all players I was excited about. Even Micah Richards and Lescott! Most of our better players seem to be the ones unheralded at the time. Yorke, Platt etc.
If we can take £7m off Leeds for Elphick and McCormack we should do so. Especially if we have the Man Utd defender coming in to replace Elphick, and Ulloa coming in to replace McCormack.
I'd like a striker in. I'm not sure we need the Man Utd kid though. I'd like to see Elphick stick around until at least the end of the season. He seems a good professional on and off the pitch and you need character's like that around the squad when you're pushing for promotion.
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I think Leeds want McCormack on loan......leave him in Australia if that’s the case
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Brum Mail reckon Leeds are preparing a £7m double swoop for McCormack and Elphick.
The only way I would sell them to a promotion rival is if the money is available to spend - if it won’t be then you can’t sell to a rival, particularly as despite how dreadful he has been for us you know McCormack will score goals in this league.
Sunderland or Hull would be great destinations for both on loan, play well, help take points off our promotion rivals and at the same time impress enough that Championship clubs want to sign them in the summer when hopefully we are back at the top table :-)
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I’d leave McCormack where he is until the summer. We don’t want him scoring goals for a promotion rival during the run-in.
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I’d leave McCormack where he is until the summer. We don’t want him scoring goals for a promotion rival during the run-in.
I thought it was Leeds who were looking at him ;)
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£7m for Mad Tom and Fat Ross? Cor.
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it's all bullshit.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Or, if McInally hadn't gone to Bayern
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once. Took a wrong turn and instead of ending up in the Grand Place (or whatever it's called) I ended up in area that looked like Beirut, was full of strip clubs and prostitution and had an old bloke who looked homeless and had his trousers round his ankles shouting at me to get off his street as they were all his girls.
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once. Took a wrong turn and instead of ending up in the Grand Place (or whatever it's called) I ended up in area that looked like Beirut, was full of strip clubs and prostitution and had an old bloke who looked homeless and had his trousers round his ankles shouting at me to get off his street as they were all his girls.
Sounds like Sheffield :)
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I think Leeds want McCormack on loan......leave him in Australia if that’s the case
His loan deal runs out on Friday of this week
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If that's the case, I would thank the Aussie's for getting the porker into some sort of decent shape an plonk him on the bench. We need back up for Hogan.
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NO WAY let leeds have him, why would we do that?
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He's 31 years old. As much as they might be a rival if a club comes in and offers decent money for a player who is past his best, who we spent a lot on and has no value to us then we have to consider it. Yes he might score a few for them but he doesn't automatically turn them into any more of challenger than they are right now. Leeds have a decent goalscoring record already. What they can't do is defend that well and unless McCormack is coming in at CB or goalie then I don't think it's that a big a deal if this story has any truth to it. And just because he's bagged a few in Australian football let's not get carried away that he's suddenly going to tear it up in the Championship.
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According to SkyFootball Whispers.
Liverpool’s attacker Lazar Markovic is the next most likely signing for Aston Villa,
The site, affiliated to Sky Sports, rates all the most likely global transfers and rates them out of five.
Five means a certain move and currently Markovic ( 3.9 ) is in the top 10 most likely global transfers to happen next in January.
Markovic, despite showing lots of promise, has struggled at Liverpool since his £22.5m move from Benfica in the summer of 2014.
The winger has been sent out on loan moves to Fenerbach, Sporting CP and Hull City.
The 23-year-old returned from Hull in the summer but hasn’t made an impression on Klopp’s first team.
He made 14 appearances at Hull and scored two goals, after 34 appearances for Liverpool that saw him register just three goals.
Probably on loan IF it happens, maybe Brucie knows him from hi Hull days(?)...............Godzvilla!
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once. Took a wrong turn and instead of ending up in the Grand Place (or whatever it's called) I ended up in area that looked like Beirut, was full of strip clubs and prostitution and had an old bloke who looked homeless and had his trousers round his ankles shouting at me to get off his street as they were all his girls.
Wrong turn eh ?!!!
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According to SkyFootball Whispers.
Liverpool’s attacker Lazar Markovic is the next most likely signing for Aston Villa,
The site, affiliated to Sky Sports, rates all the most likely global transfers and rates them out of five.
Five means a certain move and currently Markovic ( 3.9 ) is in the top 10 most likely global transfers to happen next in January.
Markovic, despite showing lots of promise, has struggled at Liverpool since his £22.5m move from Benfica in the summer of 2014.
The winger has been sent out on loan moves to Fenerbach, Sporting CP and Hull City.
The 23-year-old returned from Hull in the summer but hasn’t made an impression on Klopp’s first team.
He made 14 appearances at Hull and scored two goals, after 34 appearances for Liverpool that saw him register just three goals.
Probably on loan IF it happens, maybe Brucie knows him from hi Hull days(?)...............Godzvilla!
I think Bruce was at Villa when Hull had him on loan. I wouldn't take any notice of an app/ site that bases possible transfers on algorithms.
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If Leeds want really want him, we should offer a swap for that Vieira lad they've got in midfield.
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McCormack can’t join another English side until the summer can he? Or does that only apply to loans?
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once, we lost 4-1
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could also be a long story
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According to SkyFootball Whispers.
Liverpool’s attacker Lazar Markovic is the next most likely signing for Aston Villa,
The site, affiliated to Sky Sports, rates all the most likely global transfers and rates them out of five.
Five means a certain move and currently Markovic ( 3.9 ) is in the top 10 most likely global transfers to happen next in January.
Markovic, despite showing lots of promise, has struggled at Liverpool since his £22.5m move from Benfica in the summer of 2014.
The winger has been sent out on loan moves to Fenerbach, Sporting CP and Hull City.
The 23-year-old returned from Hull in the summer but hasn’t made an impression on Klopp’s first team.
He made 14 appearances at Hull and scored two goals, after 34 appearances for Liverpool that saw him register just three goals.
Probably on loan IF it happens, maybe Brucie knows him from hi Hull days(?)...............Godzvilla!
Would prefer to see Andre Green given a chance, thought Markovic joined Hull after Bruce left?
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once, we lost 4-1
Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once, we lost 4-1
I too was there and remember on the ferry back the optimism that we would pull the tie back - we lost 1-0 at Villa Park!
I also remember the escort from the ferry ( no not that type of escort Drummond!) Through the City centre to the stadium during rush hour - we brought the City to a standstill
That was our first foray into Europe wasn't it?
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Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once, we lost 4-1
Lucky guy. Antwerp is brilliant.
I went to Antwerp once, we lost 4-1
I too was there and remember on the ferry back the optimism that we would pull the tie back - we lost 1-0 at Villa Park!
I also remember the escort from the ferry ( no not that type of escort Drummond!) Through the City centre to the stadium during rush hour - we brought the City to a standstill
That was our first foray into Europe wasn't it?
Yeah, got there because we beat Norwich in the League Cup final.
We stayed in Ostend the night before and travelled to the match by train the following day, stayed over in a b&b p before travelling back the next day. By chance stumbled into a bar and discovered all the playersdrowning their sorrows after the match to top it all off. Great adventure for a seventeen year old Villa fan.
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Twatter saying that Leeds linked with a double £7.5m swoop for McCormack and Elphick.??
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That would be great if it happens.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Or, if McInally hadn't gone to Bayern
McInally's another player who history has served well. In reality he had four good months with us in two seasons and in 1988-89 scored twice after Christmas.
I don't have to recount Sir Graham's tale of the Cascarino signing again do I?
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My recollection of McInally was that he went right off the boil in the second half of his last season, whether his head had been turned or he had already been through his purple patch and was returning to his natural level, I don’t know. I can’t actually remember if he did any good at Bayern.
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I think the whole team went off after Christmas, as often happens to newly-promoted teams. I don't put any of the blame on McInally. He was my hero, was gutted when he left. Then we signed Paul McGrath and I soon had a new hero.
As I recall, he did pretty well at Bayern, after having switched from centre-forward to playing on the wing, then he got injured and was never the same player.
As a Scotland fan, I still have nightmares about his performance against Costa sodding Rica, mind.
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I see rumours of us signing the Liverpool player Lazar Markovic on loan. He was at Hull last season. Don't know much about him, but he cost Liverpool £20m 3 years ago.
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Signing Cascarino when we were in form is one of the great urban myths of Aston Villa. The reality is that we'd lost three of our previous four league games and hadn't scored in any of them.
I wonder what would have happened if we'd signed Sheringham instead.
Or, if McInally hadn't gone to Bayern
McInally's another player who history has served well. In reality he had four good months with us in two seasons and in 1988-89 scored twice after Christmas.
I don't have to recount Sir Graham's tale of the Cascarino signing again do I?
I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
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Twatter saying that Leeds linked with a double £7.5m swoop for McCormack and Elphick.??
Swoop me baby! Swoop me! Have I mentioned Leeds has great support? :)
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
the last line makes me laugh, you can just imagine SGT saying that
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Not read that before. Thanks for that.
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Not read that before. Thanks for that.
and this is why Doug will always be held fondly in Villa fans hearts. (sarcasm doesn't lend itself to text to well)
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Add that to the list of reasons to change the name of his stand.
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I was a betting man my money would go on us signing Nahki Wells, he´s a far more mobile and versatile ( than Ulloa) attacking option, IMHO.....Godzvilla!
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
A bit of the SGT autobiography that stood out for me was Doug always asking SGT for the Villa line up prior to each game then, pleased with this knowledge telling other people what it was. So SGT started giving him false information. Eventually Doug sussed what was going on and stopped asking.
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He also told me that when he fancied signing a player he'd ask Doug what sort of (say) left-backs he thought were any good, then gradually steer the conversation round to the one he wanted. Doug would come up with the name, Sir Graham would reply "Good shout Mr Chairman" and the money would magically materialise for a player Doug would then say he'd suggested.
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I was a betting man my money would go on us signing Nahki Wells, he´s a far more mobile and versatile ( than Ulloa) attacking option, IMHO.....Godzvilla!
Would be ideal for our current situation.
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I wouldn’t worry about selling unwanted players to a promotion rival. We’re nailed on for the play-offs at least, and if we got Leeds in them we’d hopefully insert a clause that they couldn’t play against us. They’re well behind us as well and Fat Ross and Mad Tom might help them get results against Derby etc.
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I wouldn’t worry about selling unwanted players to a promotion rival. We’re nailed on for the play-offs at least, and if we got Leeds in them we’d hopefully insert a clause that they couldn’t play against us. They’re well behind us as well and Fat Riss and Mad Tom might help them get results against Derby etc.
I'm not sure you can enforce a no play clause. Even in loan deals I think it tends to be a gentleman's agreement. I don't think i've ever heard of one after a permanent transfer.
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I wouldn’t worry about selling unwanted players to a promotion rival. We’re nailed on for the play-offs at least, and if we got Leeds in them we’d hopefully insert a clause that they couldn’t play against us. They’re well behind us as well and Fat Riss and Mad Tom might help them get results against Derby etc.
I'm not sure you can enforce a no play clause. Even in loan deals I think it tends to be a gentleman's agreement. I don't think i've ever heard of one after a permanent transfer.
I thought it might be negotiable. Maybe knock a couple of million off. £7m would be the biggest robbery since we bought the useless fuckers anyway.
Ta for quoting and enshrining my typo. I know me and Risso disagree on Brexit but I’d never call him that.
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According to the Mirror, the Jar-deez are looking to splash the cash on Leicester's Islam Slimani. If so, it could well be that Ulloa doesn't go anywhere for the rest of the season (since they were quoted as saying that they weren't going to lose the services of both players during this transfer window).
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
A bit of the SGT autobiography that stood out for me was Doug always asking SGT for the Villa line up prior to each game then, pleased with this knowledge telling other people what it was. So SGT started giving him false information. Eventually Doug sussed what was going on and stopped asking.
Gold thanks for insight!
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He also told me that when he fancied signing a player he'd ask Doug what sort of (say) left-backs he thought were any good, then gradually steer the conversation round to the one he wanted. Doug would come up with the name, Sir Graham would reply "Good shout Mr Chairman" and the money would magically materialise for a player Doug would then say he'd suggested.
More Gold!!
Thanks again.
Do you have anything on other managers and transfer stories. O'Neil, Sherwood or even lambert and his Coutinho bids?
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Unfortunately many executives are like that. So you position your conversations so that you make your idea into their idea or make them suggest what you actually want. I’ve no doubt Doug was just like that and that all of the great ideas came from him.
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Unfortunately many executives are like that. So you position your conversations so that you make your idea into their idea or make them suggest what you actually want. I’ve no doubt Doug was just like that and that all of the great ideas came from him.
Excecutives ! i do that with my Wife
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Unfortunately many executives are like that. So you position your conversations so that you make your idea into their idea or make them suggest what you actually want. I’ve no doubt Doug was just like that and that all of the great ideas came from him.
Excecutives ! i do that with my Wife
She’s a Life Executive John. A senior Marital Leader. And LOL yes it’s exactly the same thing!!
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Cheers Dave, there were rumours at that time about Linekar, any truth in that?
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Cheers Dave, there were rumours at that time about Linekar, any truth in that?
I didn't get anything about that one, but from what was said at the time (end of 1988-89 from memory) he would have accounted for about two years' transfer budget. So no McGrath, Nielsen or Adrian Heath.
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Has Ritchie de Laet gone to Antwerp?
What? For the weekend? Brugge is better.
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Cheers Dave, there were rumours at that time about Linekar, any truth in that?
Wouldn't have worked, the bloke couldn't score at Villa Park.
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Unfortunately many executives are like that. So you position your conversations so that you make your idea into their idea or make them suggest what you actually want. I’ve no doubt Doug was just like that and that all of the great ideas came from him.
Excecutives ! i do that with my Wife
That is what my wife does to me!
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
See, I don't doubt most of that at all.
But lets say GT couldn't get his first choice (Sheringham) but values Cantscorino @ 750K. Unless the club is desperate to sell, Millwall will never part with a goalscoring forward (as ludicrous as that seems now) for market value. So Herbert might have reckoned at £1 -1.1 million and eventually done a deal at £1.5 million.
It seems excessive now, and seemed even moreso at the time. When I thought St Paul's Cray's finest was a actually reasonable CF in the traditional style.
But Herbert wasn't known for being lavish. Maybe it was one of those rare occasions when he backed the manager and to hell with with the consequences. Possibly scenting title success in the nostrils and all the ensuing glory. Perfect two fingers for anyone who reminded him of 1981 and 82. Worth an extra 400k + of anyone's money.
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
See, I don't doubt most of that at all.
But lets say GT couldn't get his first choice (Sheringham) but values Cantscorino @ 750K. Unless the club is desperate to sell, Millwall will never part with a goalscoring forward (as ludicrous as that seems now) for market value. So Herbert might have reckoned at £1 -1.1 million and eventually done a deal at £1.5 million.
It seems excessive now, and seemed even moreso at the time. When I thought St Paul's Cray's finest was a actually reasonable CF in the traditional style.
But Herbert wasn't known for being lavish. Maybe it was one of those rare occasions when he backed the manager and to hell with with the consequences. Possibly scenting title success in the nostrils and all the ensuing glory. Perfect two fingers for anyone who reminded him of 1981 and 82. Worth an extra 400k + of anyone's money.
Every single word of that was told to me by the man himself. The money was either going to be spent, or paid in tax.
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I remember Mcinally always being injured and yes Cascarino signing tale please.
Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.
"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.
"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
See, I don't doubt most of that at all.
But lets say GT couldn't get his first choice (Sheringham) but values Cantscorino @ 750K. Unless the club is desperate to sell, Millwall will never part with a goalscoring forward (as ludicrous as that seems now) for market value. So Herbert might have reckoned at £1 -1.1 million and eventually done a deal at £1.5 million.
It seems excessive now, and seemed even moreso at the time. When I thought St Paul's Cray's finest was a actually reasonable CF in the traditional style.
But Herbert wasn't known for being lavish. Maybe it was one of those rare occasions when he backed the manager and to hell with with the consequences. Possibly scenting title success in the nostrils and all the ensuing glory. Perfect two fingers for anyone who reminded him of 1981 and 82. Worth an extra 400k + of anyone's money.
Every single word of that was told to me by the man himself. The money was either going to be spent, or paid in tax.
Bill Shankly said the same thing, on several occasions.
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A few of the online rags reckon we’ll announce Axel today.
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Welcome to @AVFCOfficial !
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Has someone gone to Antwerp?
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De Laet on loan
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Ulloja gone to Palace it seems.
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Ulloja gone to Palace it seems.
Where you seen this ?
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Ulloja gone to Palace it seems.
Any idea what time is Benteke having his medical at Bodymoor Heath?
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I was a betting man my money would go on us signing Nahki Wells, he´s a far more mobile and versatile ( than Ulloa) attacking option, IMHO.....Godzvilla!
As I was saying....... http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/01/25/pj-would-villa-be-better-off-signing-nahki-wells/ .......Godzvilla!
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De Laet on loan
Baffling. he is a good player who can play in several positions who we could well need in the run in. I can understand selling him (I guess), but a loan? Crazy.
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I don't agree how many times has he actually made our match day squad in the league this season ?
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I don't agree how many times has he actually made our match day squad in the league this season ?
Only after we have had a deep injury crisis. My fear is that could happen again.
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Ulloja gone to Palace it seems.
Where you seen this ?
Sorry-assumed it would be news. Read it on one of the sites this afternoon. Can't remember which, but it appeared genuine.
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https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/907814/Aston-Villa-News-Leonardo-Ulloa-Crystal-Palace-Agree-Deal-Leicester-City-EFL-Championship
Express-if the link works says Ulloja to Palace. Dunno where I got the 'J' from tho'. :)
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https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/907814/Aston-Villa-News-Leonardo-Ulloa-Crystal-Palace-Agree-Deal-Leicester-City-EFL-Championship
Express-if the link works says Ulloja to Palace. Dunno where I got the 'J' from tho'. :)
Ulloa loan would been just the ticket.
Lewis Grabban would do a job but would only like him in short term and think Bournemouth would rather sell him.
Similarly previously mentioned Chris Martin. Just another striker really one to keep in frame to aid promo push.
Batshuayi is probably out of reach but as wyness said he was after players of that ilk.
Calvert-Lewin or Solanke would be worth short term loan and I don't know if Tammy Abraham is our of favor but he would be a great addition to end of season. That said Chelsea should really be recalling him!
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Wyness has said the transfer window will be a quiet one for us.
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Like a few have said I am cool with a quiet window. We have RHM, Davies and O hare as cover. Plus gabby will be rolled out in 3 weeks and I suspect Jimmy will make an appearance before the end.
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McCormack is back tomorrow, apparently. He’d be good cover if we could his head right.
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Wyness has said the transfer window will be a quiet one for us.
Good. We don't need disruption just now.
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McCormack is back tomorrow, apparently. He’d be good cover if we could his head right.
Seems to have burnt his bridges with Bruce. He was linked with a move to Leeds so maybe he's coming back to be sold on somewhere?
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Like a few have said I am cool with a quiet window. We have RHM, Davies and O hare as cover. Plus gabby will be rolled out in 3 weeks and I suspect Jimmy will make an appearance before the end.
Bruce said Kodjia is very likely done for the season. So I don’t expect to see him again.
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Wyness has said the transfer window will be a quiet one for us.
I still think we will see a striker arrive before the window "slams shut" (Jim White, SKY Sports).
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McCormack is back tomorrow, apparently. He’d be good cover if we could his head right.
Think we are reasonably strong in McCormack's best position #10 or #9.5, with Grealish in particular but also Onomah and O'Hare capable of playing there
Unless McCormack begs Bruce for forgiveness, then he is done at Villa Park.
Have a horrible feeling if he went to Leeds or a side near us, he could finish the season very strongly....
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McCormack is back tomorrow, apparently. He’d be good cover if we could his head right.
Think we are reasonably strong in McCormack's best position #10 or #9.5, with Grealish in particular but also Onomah and O'Hare capable of playing there
Unless McCormack begs Bruce for forgiveness, then he is done at Villa Park.
Have a horrible feeling if he went to Leeds or a side near us, he could finish the season very strongly....
"Position #9.5"? Is that a thing now? Wow, football has really been appropriated by the #stattos eh?
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its something to do with Hogworts.
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I thought a 9.5 was the amplifier Nigel Tufnel used before he got the one that went up to 11.
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We should not be selling anybody to a promotion rival in this window.
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We should not be selling anybody to a promotion rival in this window.
What about Micah 😂
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We should not be selling anybody to a promotion rival in this window.
What about Micah 😂
Wouldn't sell him but would quite happily give him away!
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We should not be selling anybody to a promotion rival in this window.
What about Micah 😂
Wouldn't sell him but would quite happily give him away!
I'd sooner flog him...........
Not telling you what with though ;-)
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Sounds like some one or a few clubs have pissed Wyness off (talks of black books and scores to settle??). Article in the Mail (so...)
Chief Executive Keith Wyness has warned clubs that have crossed Aston Villa not to expect any favours this month.
Wyness said it was a time to 'settle scores' with rude rivals
Speaking to the club's official media channels, Wyness spoke bluntly about what he expects during the transfer window.
He stated: "It will be down to the little black books of myself, Steve Bruce and Steve Round and each of us calling on friendships within other clubs.
"It's also a time to settle scores with a few clubs, they want a favour and you can tell them they were rude to you before and you aren't going to do it!"
Wyness revealed the club's hopes for the coming window and how they operate during one of the busiest periods in the football calendar.
The Scot will have a phone that's busier than most over the next few days and has revealed what he is expecting from the January transfer window.
Wyness said: "Well, the way we approach this window is different, myself and Steve Round will be on the phone seven or eight times a day.
"What we agreed at the start of the window is that we wouldn't take anyone in unless they could go straight into the squad and make a big impact.
"They have to be better than what we have, the depth of the squad is there so it really has to be certain types of players that are going to be special.
"Those players are most likely to be on loan and that means clubs will be waiting to see if they have injuries and other problems before they let them go."
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I don't think it's necessary to talk about that sort of stuff in public.
But I think their general approach to the window is spot on.
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What we don't know is the conversation that took place between RM and Bruce before he went down under. It might have been go and get in shape and prove yourself. We don't know if that happened and if it did and he's gone and kept his end of the bargain whether that changes anything. You'd think to avoid the distraction, and if Bruce really didn't want him around they'd have found a way to extend his stay out there. But he's back and maybe Bruce sees a fit and motivated RM as part of the future and can offer something in the run in.
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I don't think it's necessary to talk about that sort of stuff in public.
But I think their general approach to the window is spot on.
Yeah it comes across badly - obviously someone has got his back up. No idea who the rude rivals are?
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Sounds like some one or a few clubs have pissed Wyness off (talks of black books and scores to settle??). Article in the Mail (so...)
Chief Executive Keith Wyness has warned clubs that have crossed Aston Villa not to expect any favours this month.
Wyness said it was a time to 'settle scores' with rude rivals
Speaking to the club's official media channels, Wyness spoke bluntly about what he expects during the transfer window.
He stated: "It will be down to the little black books of myself, Steve Bruce and Steve Round and each of us calling on friendships within other clubs.
"It's also a time to settle scores with a few clubs, they want a favour and you can tell them they were rude to you before and you aren't going to do it!"
Wyness revealed the club's hopes for the coming window and how they operate during one of the busiest periods in the football calendar.
The Scot will have a phone that's busier than most over the next few days and has revealed what he is expecting from the January transfer window.
Wyness said: "Well, the way we approach this window is different, myself and Steve Round will be on the phone seven or eight times a day.
"What we agreed at the start of the window is that we wouldn't take anyone in unless they could go straight into the squad and make a big impact.
"They have to be better than what we have, the depth of the squad is there so it really has to be certain types of players that are going to be special.
"Those players are most likely to be on loan and that means clubs will be waiting to see if they have injuries and other problems before they let them go."
The one blatant friendship with Bruce we all know about is with big Sam.
Ademola Lookman, Tom Davies or Dominic Calvert-Lewin from Everton would be fantastic attacking players to add and all 3 of Bruce wyness and round have contacts within Everton club. (big Sam appointed Round in the past)
Regards the bit about injuries and waiting to see at other clubs before movements and the cumulative effect that is the transfer window and how many play it. The other is just to wade in with the big money or ideas and take the player. A lot can be cats and mice, and deals can just come up others will be targeted and it may not be till end of window.
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McCormack is back tomorrow, apparently. He’d be good cover if we could his head right.
Think we are reasonably strong in McCormack's best position #10 or #9.5, with Grealish in particular but also Onomah and O'Hare capable of playing there
Unless McCormack begs Bruce for forgiveness, then he is done at Villa Park.
Have a horrible feeling if he went to Leeds or a side near us, he could finish the season very strongly....
I'd like to also add Snodgrass Hourihane Adomah and Lansbury can play 10 as well.
I remember Lansbury at 10 first match at Hull should have scored within 5 mins and could had a few. That performance first 30 mins or so was what we expected for the whole season let alone the match. Gabby scoring and villa on riot against Barnsley and Sheffield United went 2 up and would ultimately like to see villa do this in remaining matches. The best way is to bring in another great attacking threat
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Bent has gone on loan to Burton. He's not played a game for Derby this season following a hamstring injury. Hope he scores a few (although obviously not against us) and manages to keep them up.
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Bent has gone on loan to Burton. He's not played a game for Derby this season following a hamstring injury. Hope he scores a few (although obviously not against us) and manages to keep them up.
If he scores the goals that relegate Small Heath then all the better.
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Bent has gone on loan to Burton. He's not played a game for Derby this season following a hamstring injury. Hope he scores a few (although obviously not against us) and manages to keep them up.
If he scores the goals that relegate Small Heath then all the better.
That there, would be a thing of beauty.
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Especially if he scores a winner that goes in off a beach ball.
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What we don't know is the conversation that took place between RM and Bruce before he went down under. It might have been go and get in shape and prove yourself. We don't know if that happened and if it did and he's gone and kept his end of the bargain whether that changes anything. You'd think to avoid the distraction, and if Bruce really didn't want him around they'd have found a way to extend his stay out there. But he's back and maybe Bruce sees a fit and motivated RM as part of the future and can offer something in the run in.
McCormack barely looks fit enough to play in Australia let alone back here. He has struggled to play a full 90 mins and recently has spent time sitting on the bench coming on in the second half. He doesn't look particularly fit at all.
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This "if we can get him fit and motivated he can do a job for us" is exactly what has been said for years about Gabby. In reality there is no way back for a player who loses the plot. Gabby looks as fat and unfit as ever and I daresay RM is the same.
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This "if we can get him fit and motivated he can do a job for us" is exactly what has been said for years about Gabby. In reality there is no way back for a player who loses the plot. Gabby looks as fat and unfit as ever and I daresay RM is the same.
I agree and we could do without the potential disruption of trying to rehabilitate him into a squad that currently appears to be focussed and together.
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I imagine that there's a very valid reason why he went to Oz and it wasn't for the Ashes.
A player like that would have had several English clubs willing to take him on loan particularly if we covered part of his wages and he wasn't going to a competitor. That he went to Oz does suggest that no-one here would take him.
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Hard to disagree. I wonder what will happen now he is back? Also why is he back? Was it always a half season loan or did Bruce recall him or did Melborne send him back?
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I wouldn’t even let the ****** train at Bodymoor, he can get fucked.
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The Scottish Sun reporting (!) we're in for Aberdeen defender Scott McKenna:-
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2146984/aberdeen-scott-mckenna-aston-villa-hull-city-steve-bruce-transfer-signing-news/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2146984/aberdeen-scott-mckenna-aston-villa-hull-city-steve-bruce-transfer-signing-news/)
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I imagine that there's a very valid reason why he went to Oz and it wasn't for the Ashes.
A player like that would have had several English clubs willing to take him on loan particularly if we covered part of his wages and he wasn't going to a competitor. That he went to Oz does suggest that no-one here would take him.
Or we loaned him out a month after the transfer window for English clubs closed so he had no option but to go somewhere outside of Europe. We may or may not have tried to loan him out earlier but when he went no one here could take him.
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I wouldn’t even let the c*** train at Bodymoor, he can get fucked.
This. It seems like we have a superb team spirit right now. Letting this wanker anywhere near them would be a disaster.
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That Nick Powell we’ve been linked with looks very good.
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I wouldn’t even let the c*** train at Bodymoor, he can get fucked.
😊
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Anyone that goes into the press and mentions the security of a contract he has managed to swindle out of us tells you everything you need to know about him.
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That Nick Powell we’ve been linked with looks very good.
I saw him play for Crewe a few times. Raw talent...
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That Nick Powell we’ve been linked with looks very good.
I saw him play for Crewe a few times. Raw talent...
He seems to have been around forever!
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So Villa are looking only to bring in better than what we have and a player who could be in match day squads and starting 11.
Peoples guesses on the attacking loan signing to come in to villa?
I'll say Lookman from Everton
Or Solanke from Liverpool . Bruce once said "At the moment, we’ve got the ludicrous situation of Solanke playing for England when he’s hardly had a game with Liverpool. That can’t be right."
2 standout players to me
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Solanke has never scored a senior goal in English football and Lookman has a 1 in 6 record in the championship and premier league. Neither can be called standout in any way but both do have loads of potential. The problem is we have absolutely no need to bring in young strikers with potential (unless we have some sort of deal to make the move permanent), if they're the options I'd stick with Davis and RHM getting game time. If we could get someone like Ings then a loan makes sense but otherwise I think it would be a huge mistake to just take someone to make up the numbers.
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Talk of Elphick going out on loan to Reading.
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That will be good as he might save one of Small Heaths relegation rivals.
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still think we need an on loan forward
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That Nick Powell we’ve been linked with looks very good.
Agree, however Wigan's continued interest in the FAC will get in any club's way I reckon.
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Looks like Steve Clarke who is now at Kilmarnock wants Aaron Tshibola on loan
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This "if we can get him fit and motivated he can do a job for us" is exactly what has been said for years about Gabby. In reality there is no way back for a player who loses the plot. Gabby looks as fat and unfit as ever and I daresay RM is the same.
I agree and we could do without the potential disruption of trying to rehabilitate him into a squad that currently appears to be focussed and together.
Transfer regulations states a player cannot play for more than two clubs in the same season so either he's back with under 23s or he's back to Melbourne right?! We could sell him to someone but he wouldn't be allowed to represent 1st team.
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Looks like Steve Clarke who is now at Kilmarnock wants Aaron Tshibola on loan
I’d take him there myself, but it’s three days on a good horse.
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This "if we can get him fit and motivated he can do a job for us" is exactly what has been said for years about Gabby. In reality there is no way back for a player who loses the plot. Gabby looks as fat and unfit as ever and I daresay RM is the same.
I agree and we could do without the potential disruption of trying to rehabilitate him into a squad that currently appears to be focussed and together.
Absolutely agree with this, it'd be far too much of a risk.
There seems a sense of togetherness in the squad at the moment that I wouldn't want to risk.
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Can we not ask him to stay at home?
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Yes he could be given gardening.....sorry garden gate repair leave.
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We could always lock his gates.
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The Scottish Sun reporting (!) we're in for Aberdeen defender Scott McKenna:-
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2146984/aberdeen-scott-mckenna-aston-villa-hull-city-steve-bruce-transfer-signing-news/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2146984/aberdeen-scott-mckenna-aston-villa-hull-city-steve-bruce-transfer-signing-news/)
He scored a 40 yard screamer today. On the slow motion replay you can see the opposition goalie saying “ WOW “ as he picks the ball out of his net.
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Looks a big unit.
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He's got a foot like a traction engine
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I like the link to McKenna big hard left footed defender would add to our squad.
I don't see the point in loaning Elphick though, just sell him there will be plenty of takers for a couple of million.
Going to Kilmarnock sounds a good move to Tish. In that league he could really stand out and earn a move elsewhere. In his hands with Clarke.
Still need a forward.
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I wonder if the Elphick to Reading loan has a financial undertone to it, sure we probably still owe them part of Tshibola fee and maybe loan fee is being written off against that?
If he helps Reading deny Derby / Cardiff / Bristol C etc any points then fair play.
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I wonder if the Elphick to Reading loan has a financial undertone to it, sure we probably still owe them part of Tshibola fee and maybe loan fee is being written off against that?
If he helps Reading deny Derby / Cardiff / Bristol C etc any points then fair play.
He wants first team football at his age. He is now 4th in the pecking order again. Good luck to him and hope he carries on the form he has shown of recent times.
Hope its a loan to permanent in the summer.
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No more signings and no striker according to Bruce in the presser
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Not getting a new striker in is a blow, really not fussed about any other area of the pitch.
Guess Ulloa was our target, looks like he's going Brighton and we don't have a back up option.
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Ulloa now joined Brighton.
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Ulloa now joined Brighton.
Bugger. ::)
I'll be keeping an eye open for him - since his favourite restaurant (with Argentinian bill o' fare i.e. meat!) is just round the corner from where I live. I hope he's cackin' himself... :D
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Not getting a forward in is recklessly stupid. We've had a month to think of an alternative in case Ulloa doesn't sign.
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I'd try for someone like Mitrovic.
I know he's a headcase but he can score goals and needs a run of games somewhere. Newcastle want to loan him out anyway.
Gayle could be another option.
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
I can only assume Benteke is coming back....
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No more signings and no striker according to Bruce in the presser
I didn't hear him say that. What he did say (this morning) was that he didn't expect to be busy but would always consider any options that would improve us.
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
Best get a plumber in - these things can back up. Nasty business.
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No more signings and no striker according to Bruce in the presser
That wasn’t what he said, he thought it might be quiet but didn’t go as far as to say we wouldn’t get anyone else in.
For these press briefings, I know we get to see the Facebook version but he also has sessions with radio & newspapers - for me it is inconceivable that no one asked for clarification of McCormack’s situation so do we expect more little snippets in the papers tomorrow?
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
I can only assume Benteke is coming back....
Milner, Barry or Delph it's defo got to be one of them
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
I can only assume Benteke is coming back....
Milner, Barry or Delph it's defo got to be one of them
Torch Song Trilogy
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I've just seen Benni McCarthy at One Stop
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
I can only assume Benteke is coming back....
Milner, Barry or Delph it's defo got to be one of them
It could be Defoe.
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Gregg Evans from the Mail reckons we have something in the pipeline.
I hope it's a marquee signing.
I can only assume Benteke is coming back....
Milner, Barry or Delph it's defo got to be one of them
It could be Defoe.
Now that would be a marquee signing
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We don't need a striker, it sounds like Gabbys back.
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The striker situation is a bit of an odd one for me now, even 3 weeks ago I wanted us to get in a target man as essentially we were playing hoof ball every week, since Jack has got back into the team we seem to have started getting it down and playing properly so the need for a target man is very much for half hour if we are chasing a game so Davis should be able to carry that burden for rest of season?
I was definitely wanting Ulloa initially but now think a Nakhi Wells type as a back up to Hogan would be better.
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That said, I'd love to see Benteke back on loan with an agreement to sign if we get promoted.
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I'd like to see us bring another forward in. On the other hand though, they might be sitting there thinking 'we've got 4 strikers on our books'. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
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Imagine getting Big Ben back. Oh my days
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To be fair I'm surprised how mediocre (at best) he's been for Palace but I think he'd still do well here somehow, especially the rest of this season. I very much doubt he'd drop down even for 3-4 months but you can hope.
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I've just read Hernandez is back fit at Hull, his contract is up in the summer too.
He'd do.
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I wonder if we're looking at Hernandez at West Ham?
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Maybe levels of loan for Glenn Murray/Shane Long. Both Brighton and Southampton have brought strikers in so loan out makes sense. Danny Sturridge or Benteke would be the wow move but more expecting the hard working solid Premier league player signings to aid promotion push
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We were talking to Van Persie earlier in the window, maybe that's being revisited. Can't say I'd object!
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Maybe levels of loan for Glenn Murray/Shane Long. Both Brighton and Southampton have brought strikers in so loan out makes sense. Danny Sturridge or Benteke would be the wow move but more expecting the hard working solid Premier league player signings to aid promotion push
Glenn Murray might soon be getting a move to the Winson Green area of Birmingham if the papers are to be believed.
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We were talking to Van Persie earlier in the window, maybe that's being revisited. Can't say I'd object!
Van Persie made his 2nd Feyenoord debut yesterday.
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Wonder if it's Daniel Sturridge.
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Wonder if it's Daniel Sturridge.
Newcastle in for him allegedly. Free up a move for Mitrovic?
Have Palace signed any strikers recently/in for anyone? Could it be..............?
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
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Scouring the planet for talent and unearthing the hidden gem that is Robin Van @ 34 years of age.
Reminds me of Graham Taylor looking at the Tottingham away match programme and seeing Oyvind Leonardson's name. Is he still playing? Let's sign him.
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Sturridge on his way to Albion.
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Sturridge joining West Brom
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Scouring the planet for talent and unearthing the hidden gem that is Robin Van @ 34 years of age.
Reminds me of Graham Taylor looking at the Tottingham away match programme and seeing Oyvind Leonardson's name. Is he still playing? Let's sign him.
Yes I did chuckle when he said that. I suppose the point he was trying to make was it wasn't just domestic options they were considering. But it's encouraging in some ways to think we are scouting further afield ahead of hopefully a return to the PL. Something Wyness/Round had suggested we needed to do better when they first came in.
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That’s if he manages to get through his medical without picking up an injury.
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Sturridge on his way to Albion.
Perfect. So they're signing him for 5 games. Not consecutive
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Sturridge will end up at Villa at some point.
Just hope it's not a Lescott scenario.
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Is he signing on loan or permanently? Don't fancy playing Albion with him there if we go up/they go down. The bastard is only ever fit against us and always scores whenever we meet.
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Is he signing on loan or permanently? Don't fancy playing Albion with him there if we go up/they go down. The bastard is only ever fit against us and always scores whenever we meet.
It’s a loan deal.
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Is he signing on loan or permanently? Don't fancy playing Albion with him there if we go up/they go down. The bastard is only ever fit against us and always scores whenever we meet.
It’s a loan deal.
All they need now is Luis Suarez and Sturrridge might score a few goals.
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I feel sorry for Sturridge, he's a very good player. Awful luck with injuries.
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
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I can never feel sorry for him on account of his stupid goal celebration. It would please me to learn his never ending injuries are linked somehow to the celebration.
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I can never feel sorry for him on account of his stupid goal celebration. It would please me to learn his never ending injuries are linked somehow to the celebration.
Absolutely this. The only more annoying goal celebration was that other Albion wanker Lee Hughes.
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Klopp suggested last year I think that much of Sturridge’s issues with injuries are in his head.
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Sturridge will end up at Villa at some point.
Just hope it's not a Lescott scenario.
He was at Villa as a youngster wasn't he?
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Tish move to Kilmarnock done
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Klopp suggested last year I think that much of Sturridge’s issues with injuries are in his head.
Much of Klopp’s issues with talking are in his arse.
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Klopp suggested last year I think that much of Sturridge’s issues with injuries are in his head.
Much of Klopp’s issues with talking are in his arse.
I don’t think he’s entirely wrong here though. Sometimes a player just gets it into their head that they are injury prone and the slightest thing can magnify that sense of concern. Sturridge might be the most physically unreliable yet talented striker in the PL today.
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
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The comedy glasses and teeth don't help.
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
What are you measuring that on?
His win percentage is the best since Rafa, he got them into the champions league in his first full season and this season has them currently in the top 4 again and in the last 16 in the champions league, I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job, certainly better than hodgson or rodgers.
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Maybe levels of loan for Glenn Murray/Shane Long. Both Brighton and Southampton have brought strikers in so loan out makes sense. Danny Sturridge or Benteke would be the wow move but more expecting the hard working solid Premier league player signings to aid promotion push
Glenn Murray might soon be getting a move to the Winson Green area of Birmingham if the papers are to be believed.
I'm only suggesting Murray or Long as potential not as players that I prefer. Both suit the situation in many respects. And are realistic as in less competition for their loan.
Also think its poor form from Greg Evans to mention a teaser and then say day off. There is a person wanting more followers on his twitter!
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I feel sorry for Sturridge, he's a very good player. Awful luck with injuries.
Good luck to him. Best thing he did in recent history was that dramatic injury-time winner v Wales. Oh and that goal in europa league final. A player and striker of Real quality and will do okay for WBA fair play to them
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
What are you measuring that on?
His win percentage is the best since Rafa, he got them into the champions league in his first full season and this season has them currently in the top 4 again and in the last 16 in the champions league, I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job, certainly better than hodgson or rodgers.
I'd agree with that. I'd also say that the premiership at the top end is as strong as it's been in my opinion, with all of the top 6 having very strong squads. For Klopp to have Liverpool in 4th, and playing some very pleasing football to watch shows he is doing a good job.
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
I don't agree with that given some of the manager's they've had since Houllier. Yes I think he's overrated, and I have no idea what he was doing spending what they did on Van Dijk. But the worst in recent history I think is a bit of a stretch.
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What are you measuring that on?
P W D L F A Win %
Klopp 108 54 31 23 196 121 50.0
Rodgers 108 59 23 26 225 135 54.6
Plus Rodgers finished League runner up in 2013/14
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Rodgers had a world-class player mind in Suarez.
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Rodgers had a world-class player mind in Suarez.
And that was hardly a vintage year with the other perennial top 6 clubs. Whereas the overall quality of the top 6 is much higher now
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Rodgers had a world-class player mind in Suarez.
And, just remind me: where is he plying his trade now?
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up! The other possibility is Benteke. Hodgson admitting that some of his players are going out on loan. Bruce is downplaying everything at the moment, which suggests to me a major suprise is on the cards 8)
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up! The other possibility is Benteke. Hodgson admitting that some of his players are going out on loan. Bruce is downplaying everything at the moment, which suggests to me a major suprice is on the cards 8)
Do you honestly think Sturridge a flying fart about ‘being Villa’? Really?
It may be my cynical side coming out, but his agent will be seeking the best possible financial deal for someone who is injury-prone and arrogant with it and one of the PL strugglers will surely offer him a deal and a chance to be a hero for them.
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Interesting phone call this morning about a target #avfc are considering. Surely not! Day off, more tomorrow.
Tweet from Evans.
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up! The other possibility is Benteke. Hodgson admitting that some of his players are going out on loan. Bruce is downplaying everything at the moment, which suggests to me a major suprice is on the cards 8)
Do you honestly think Sturridge a flying fart about ‘being Villa’? Really?
It may be my cynical side coming out, but his agent will be seeking the best possible financial deal for someone who is injury-prone and arrogant with it and one of the PL strugglers will surely offer him a deal and a chance to be a hero for them.
In short yes. But like you say, its about cash with Liverpool and his agent deciding.
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Interesting phone call this morning about a target #avfc are considering. Surely not! Day off, more tomorrow.
Tweet from Evans.
Yes that's the tweet as a teaser for tuning in tomorrow. A narrative hook!
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
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I'll just follow news here and Web. Will all come out. I imagine it's positive however the 'surely not' has so many concerns but intrigues as well. They all do it.
If hear Guillem Balagué say same on villa would cause meltdown but he's as accurate as he is isn't.
I not really impressed with sky sports transfer window show. Bryan Swansong and Damerseth. On social media too just rinse and repeat.
Lately using our friends from sky Italy or Germany a lot.
Jim White only one I would listen too.
Perhaps worst element of sky sports Premier league or football and bbc or BT Sport shows are the complete guess work by various ex players and managers who aren't ITK. I recall Danny Murphy claiming Benteke was going to man utd and not his beloved Liverpool. He moved to Liverpool.
G neville has been bitter on having no knowledge of alexis moving to man utd as has rio both pundits left red faced.
Facts are clubs go into lock down on major deals
Merson is pure comedy gold generally
I think only really think likes of John percy of telegraph and some of the independent, times and bbc journos worth following.
Talksport don't seem to reveal many exclusives and sky sources seems to be journos from twitter. Jim White seems well connected and he's one to watch but don't know Evans track record. Pat Murphy probably a spent force to done degree but he likes the 'my understanding' line just as much as Guillem Balagué!!
Just like most journos, sky sports and those so called ITK twitter. Who only seem to know in the windows. Truth is most big deals go into lock down and then slowly leaked when ready. I also heard clubs, journos and agents do favors to keep fans interested with pure speculation.
So none of our concern but the Vvd saga and Liverpool reported by Saints yet it was a deal done in January.
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Not getting a striker in this Jan will bite us on the arse. We have known since October pretty much that Kodjia is out for the season. We should have found someone that we could either afford to spend a couple of million on from abroad, or that we could loan. We seem to have put all our eggs in the Ulloa basket and he has gone elsewhere. Round and his super scouting team across the world we hear about so often have thus far unearthed literally fuck all.
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Rodgers had a world-class player mind in Suarez.
And, just remind me: where is he plying his trade now?
At the 1983 Super Cup runners up I understand.
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
He’s been useless covering the Villa for ages. I’ll go with your assessment Mr Gage. Like anyone called him with anything substantial at all is highly unlikely.
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
He’s been useless covering the Villa for ages. I’ll go with your assessment Mr Gage. Like anyone called him with anything substantial at all is highly unlikely.
Noted. Who is good to follow apart from H and V for news? Any thoughts on John Perry Pat Murphy or Jim White.
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
He’s been useless covering the Villa for ages. I’ll go with your assessment Mr Gage. Like anyone called him with anything substantial at all is highly unlikely.
Noted. Who is good to follow apart from H and V for news? Any thoughts on John Perry Pat Murphy or Jim White.
Not really sure anymore to be honest. I think you meant Percy who’s decent. And I’ve found Pat Murphy reliable in confirming stuff further down the line. But the club is pretty tight on information for the most part and the owner is often now the one revealing things or dismissing stuff. If anything is really happening I suspect Mr Xia will have a formula to decipher at some point.
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Interesting phone call this morning about a target #avfc are considering. Surely not! Day off, more tomorrow.
Tweet from Evans.
Troy Deeney ??
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Interesting phone call this morning about a target #avfc are considering. Surely not! Day off, more tomorrow.
Tweet from Evans.
Troy Deeney ??
I'd like to think we'd be targeting Troy Deeney with a large house brick from about six feet away.
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
He’s been useless covering the Villa for ages. I’ll go with your assessment Mr Gage. Like anyone called him with anything substantial at all is highly unlikely.
Noted. Who is good to follow apart from H and V for news? Any thoughts on John Perry Pat Murphy or Jim White.
Not really sure anymore to be honest. I think you meant Percy who’s decent. And I’ve found Pat Murphy reliable in confirming stuff further down the line. But the club is pretty tight on information for the most part and the owner is often now the one revealing things or dismissing stuff. If anything is really happening I suspect Mr Xia will have a formula to decipher at some point.
Of course the owner how silly of me !! Sometimes answer right there thanks I would say he's the one in the know for sure!! I guess villa lucky then to have owner who is reasonably active and not running the West ham mob. Cheers!!
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Aye, Percy seems to usually be pretty spot on with that sort of thing. Stuart James at the Guardian had a decent track record until about 15/16.
Not so much recently.
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Not getting a striker in this Jan will bite us on the arse. We have known since October pretty much that Kodjia is out for the season. We should have found someone that we could either afford to spend a couple of million on from abroad, or that we could loan. We seem to have put all our eggs in the Ulloa basket and he has gone elsewhere. Round and his super scouting team across the world we hear about so often have thus far unearthed literally fuck all.
Yeah we needed to do one thing this January. Any other additions were nice to haves. We should have a had a plan B, C, D, E for a decent loan striker to come in for Kodjia.
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Or an attention seeking little turd with nowt to say.
Villa -and any connection to the club with any cop on at all- haven't bothered with the Mail for years.
Still, this will grow his twitter following.
So kudos, Smegg.
What’s the odds on him announcing with glee we were in for Sturridge only for Albion to step in and brush us aside.
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
I don't agree with that given some of the manager's they've had since Houllier. Yes I think he's overrated, and I have no idea what he was doing spending what they did on Van Dijk. But the worst in recent history I think is a bit of a stretch.
Yes I accept may be not worst in recent history but by gum he doesn't half get very favourable press.
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up! The other possibility is Benteke. Hodgson admitting that some of his players are going out on loan. Bruce is downplaying everything at the moment, which suggests to me a major suprise is on the cards 8)
Sturridge is a good player but has a shocking injury record and Klopp has suggested he is unwilling to play through the pain barrier when other players would. I am not aware Sturridge 'is Villa'. I used to work with his uncle Dave, who once told me Daniel didn't really support a club as a kid as he was always more interested in just playing. Given that his uncle Simon played for Small Heath and I was told by his uncle Dave that Daniel's dad was a youngster at the sty and then went on to do some coaching at the club in some capacity I would guess that Daniel's leanings were more towards them than us. Having said that, he would be worth a gamble on loan till the end of the season. If we could get him on the pitch in even half of the games left I'm sure he would score a few vital goals. But I just can't see him dropping a division, even on loan.
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Fernando Torres could it be?? Slightly younger than RVP. Or do we take him when contract expires in summer?
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up! The other possibility is Benteke. Hodgson admitting that some of his players are going out on loan. Bruce is downplaying everything at the moment, which suggests to me a major suprise is on the cards 8)
Sturridge is a good player but has a shocking injury record and Klopp has suggested he is unwilling to play through the pain barrier when other players would. I am not aware Sturridge 'is Villa'. I used to work with his uncle Dave, who once told me Daniel didn't really support a club as a kid as he was always more interested in just playing. Given that his uncle Simon played for Small Heath and I was told by his uncle Dave that Daniel's dad was a youngster at the sty and then went on to do some coaching at the club in some capacity I would guess that Daniel's leanings were more towards them than us. Having said that, he would be worth a gamble on loan till the end of the season. If we could get him on the pitch in even half of the games left I'm sure he would score a few vital goals. But I just can't see him dropping a division, even on loan.
With Sturridge I'm not sure it's just injuries that are the problem. Turns down playing for a top coach Benitez and 50k at St James Park every second week to sign for Pards and the Baggies for "footballing reasons". Not buying that
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Well he’s from Birmingham so maybe he fancied moving back home. I don’t go with all this “how can you turn down a huge club like Newcastle” shite. The hype around that club is unreal.
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Either way he'd be playing in front of deluded stripey twats, bonus of going to the Bitters is there's a lot less of them to deal with.
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Well he’s from Birmingham so maybe he fancied moving back home. I don’t go with all this “how can you turn down a huge club like Newcastle” shite. The hype around that club is unreal.
Franks said on WM earlier tonight that Albion have pledged to pay his his full wage.
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dangerously light up top if no loan comes in to cover Hogan and Kodjia
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up!
Die hard Villa fan, does not walk over broken glass but signs for Olbyon. :-[
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Why do people think we are signing a megastar when Bruce has hinted that we are signing noone?
I think it's part what Gregg Evans is hinting at which could be utter BS, and part what Wyness came out and said in that Radio WM phone in about scouring the planet for talent and turning down RVP. It sets the mind racing in a number of different and probably unrealistic directions. As for Bruce, he's probably not going to give much away but he always ends with "you never know..." to keep mystery and intrigue in play.
The Birmingham Mail is suggesting that we, along with Wolves, are interested in Afobe from Bournemouth.
Im not sure that we are, more chance of it being Sturridge, since he is Villa and was released by us when young. Depending on what his agent and Liverpool want, he would walk over broken glass to help us go up!
Die hard Villa fan, does not walk over broken glass but signs for Olbyon. :-[
Albion have apparently agreed to meet his £150k per week wages....so broken glass doesn't really come into the equation.
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Palace rumoured to have agreed a fee for Hugill at Preston...............
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TV that was just a comment about Klopp in general. IMO he talks rubbish at times and hasn’t realised that he is the worst Liverpool manager in recent history.
I don't agree with that given some of the manager's they've had since Houllier. Yes I think he's overrated, and I have no idea what he was doing spending what they did on Van Dijk. But the worst in recent history I think is a bit of a stretch.
Klopp has Liverpool beating/getting results against the top 6 teams so he surely ain't that bad.
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Palace rumoured to have agreed a fee for Hugill at Preston...............
The stars are aligning ....
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whats Lambert playing at ?
Stoke are set to make a £15 million bid for Badou Ndiaye .. He could get Westwood for £2 million
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Palace rumoured to have agreed a fee for Hugill at Preston...............
The stars are aligning ....
Ditching Benteke for Hugill. That would be hilarious, very Roy Hodgson.
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Palace rumoured to have agreed a fee for Hugill at Preston...............
The stars are aligning ....
Ditching Benteke for Hugill. That would be hilarious, very Roy Hodgson.
To be fair Benteke is not playing well at Palace and most of their fans would be pleased to see him replaced. I've seen him a couple of times, a shadow of the player we saw, it's sad.
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Has Gregg Evans revealed who the player Villa were in for yet?
The cynic in me suggests he’ll make out it was Sturridge only for Albion to nick him off us, the bullshitter.
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They've probably unearthed footage of the Ghost of William McGregor doing a Nazi salute or some other such scoop.
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Is Danny Ings fit?
Sorry, is he ever fit lol. Not sure if Liverpool will allow another striker out on loan after allowing Sturridge to go to the obsessed, but could he be an option for us?
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Is Danny Ings fit?
Sorry, is he ever fit lol. Not sure if Liverpool will allow another striker out on loan after allowing Sturridge to go to the obsessed, but could he be an option for us?
Yes he's fit. And we've got no chance.
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Is Danny Ings fit?
Sorry, is he ever fit lol. Not sure if Liverpool will allow another striker out on loan after allowing Sturridge to go to the obsessed, but could he be an option for us?
Yes he's fit. And we've got no chance.
People were saying that about John Terry ;)
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Interesting phone call this morning about a target #avfc are considering. Surely not! Day off, more tomorrow.
Tweet from Evans.
Troy Deeney ??
I'd like to think we'd be targeting Troy Deeney with a large house brick from about six feet away.
Fixed
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Is Danny Ings fit?
Sorry, is he ever fit lol. Not sure if Liverpool will allow another striker out on loan after allowing Sturridge to go to the obsessed, but could he be an option for us?
Yes he's fit. And we've got no chance.
People were saying that about John Terry ;)
It's an entirely different set of circumstances. Terry wasn't prepared to play in the PL. Ings will very much want to and there would be plenty of takers. Anyway, having just let Sturridge go there's no way Liverpool are letting Ings out this window, so it's a pointless debate.
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Evans has basically re hashed a story he had already written claiming that we decided against going for a high profile striker as he was too similar to what we have. Basically he had nothing and has written fluff about having nothing. Worst reporter in the world.
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Evans has basically re hashed a story he had already written claiming that we decided against going for a high profile striker as he was too similar to what we have. Basically he had nothing and has written fluff about having nothing. Worst reporter in the world.
Absolute click bait tosh from him.
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Glad I haven't bought that rag in years.
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City buying up every player on the planet again and now Mahrez trying to force a move. Depressing days.
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
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City buying up every player on the planet again and now Mahrez trying to force a move. Depressing days.
You can see the two manc clubs ruling for years to come in the prem. Depressing indeed
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Calderwood said it's highly unlikely but you never know.
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
Don't be like that CL! What have you heard?!
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A decent one CL?
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
I thought Davis did pretty well when he came on tonight and that the Hogan / Davis combination would probably be OK to see us through if we were guaranteed they would both remain fit and on form. The problem is that they both have had their injury and form issues and a reoccurrence of those issues would leave with Gabby 'reliable as a chocolate fire guard' Agbonlahor and the fairly untried RHM.
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I think if Kodjia was likely to come back at some stage we could get away with what we currently have for the run in.
Danger is window will close and Hogan will then do his knee at the weekend so we'd be just down to Davis again with little options off the bench.
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Which is why I would even take McBurnie from Swansea on loan at this stage. It is not worth being down to just Davis. RHM and Hogan are injury prone and Davis for all his good points, struggles to hit a oversized barn door from a yard away.
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I think a few of the posts recently are vastly underrating RHM, I think we should be making sure we get him game time in the next few months, there's a very good young striker in there in my opinion.
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I’d have RHM over Davis on the bench. I find KD a very limited footballer and RHM offers much more in terms of pace and versatility.
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I think a few of the posts recently are vastly underrating RHM, I think we should be making sure we get him game time in the next few months, there's a very good young striker in there in my opinion.
RHM seems to be one of these mystical figures, he's played what five times in the last year since he signed the contract.
I agree he was lively against Bristol but we just don't see him enough for whatever reason. Something dosen't add up there to me unless he's one of these types who dosen't want to be involved if he has a knock.
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If the manager had real faith in Davis, RHM and O’Hare to chip in with some goals, there’d be no issue and no prospect of Flabby casting his large shadow over a game. But he clearly doesn’t. I can’t say why, cos I haven’t watched enough U23 games to properly assess their capability but the little I’ve seen them in the first team suggests they could do something between them.
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but conversely you don't tinker with a side that has won five on the trot
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I think a few of the posts recently are vastly underrating RHM, I think we should be making sure we get him game time in the next few months, there's a very good young striker in there in my opinion.
He still remains pretty untested in first team football Paul, though I have liked what I have seen in his limited appearances for us. He may come in to the side over the next few months and catch fire or he may come in and struggle, we don't know. We haven't got much margin for error in the next few months, so it would be a big ask to throw him in there and expect him to deliver immediately.
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but conversely you don't tinker with a side that has won five on the trot
I agree with that but a few sub appearances would be nice.
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but conversely you don't tinker with a side that has won five on the trot
Until they get injured. This is why we need striker backup.
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I agree totally agree - we do need more up front.
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Not getting a forward in could potentially undo all the progress we have made. One nasty tackle or training strain could take us from automatic contenders to playoffs at best overnight.
Bringing a forward in today is an absolute must.
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After Lewis Grabban on Loan from Bournemouth according to Sky. Us and one other team, didn’t catch who.
The other team is Cardiff, but they may also be after Madine from Bolton.
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If the manager had real faith in Davis, RHM and O’Hare to chip in with some goals, there’d be no issue and no prospect of Flabby casting his large shadow over a game. But he clearly doesn’t. I can’t say why, cos I haven’t watched enough U23 games to properly assess their capability but the little I’ve seen them in the first team suggests they could do something between them.
Wouldn't mind seeing RHM and O'Hare going on loan today. Both need regular football at a competitive level and won't get it at Villa Park for rest of the season. O'Hare is competing for a spot where he have lots of competition while RHM has had many injuries.
Out of the others wouldn't be surprised to see Lansbury go today but only makes sense if a permanent deal.
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It's not Lewis Grabban.
However and it's what ever you wish to spend.
If people fancy doubling their money then bet responsibly on Grabban to leave Bournemouth it's even money.
Cardiff likely destination perhaps. That said money markets on betting sites for those that do have Grabban to leave Bournemouth at even moneys. There may be a wait before leaving but money down for his departure can provide those with a nice little earner for Jan.
I always understood Cardiff was his destination!! Double joy if he comes up the villa for those who backed him to leave Bournemouth. He's been training away from first team and hasn't been in 1st team plans since recalled on loan.
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Grabban training away from the first team doesn't fill me with confidence. If true of course!
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Grabban training away from the first team doesn't fill me with confidence. If true of course!
Howe said in video on sky sports Bournemouth saying this at his pre match conference. It's a case of him not being part of plans and it's actually good he's training rather than not since his recall. Grabban can get goals this level and he was right not to be playing down at bottom of league. Better than that. Last year he helped reading get to Wembley and this season been a scorer of goals. He's way behind afobe who in plans of bournemouth so I would think he'll go somewhere. Not convinced it's the villa and we are being mentioned just to get Cardiff deal over the line.
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Being suggested that Cardiff are no longer in the running for a Grabban. We’re now favourites
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
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Back to Gregg Evans. Given his gravitas I would imagine when he is snooping round the outside of the training ground looking for a scoop, a man with a high viz on comes up and says 'Sorry son, no autographs today.'
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They probably call in pest busters as well to deal with the rat faced little fuck.
As for Grabban, he's got a good scoring record this season, if it's down to him I'd sooner have him on board than not.
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I really don't want Grabban, I've seen too many things questioning his attitude.
He still remains pretty untested in first team football Paul, though I have liked what I have seen in his limited appearances for us. He may come in to the side over the next few months and catch fire or he may come in and struggle, we don't know. We haven't got much margin for error in the next few months, so it would be a big ask to throw him in there and expect him to deliver immediately.
He does but if you can't have him around the squad for 20-30 minute appearances in the championship then you're not going to be able to include him if we're promoted and trying to establish ourselves so he'll be up to 5 years from his debut and still not having been given a real chance to show if he is good enough. He's done well enough every time we've seen him to deserve an opportunity and signing someone like Grabban on loan is just denying him that.
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Scored against the villa too
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Scored against the villa too
Which has always been the extent of our scouting process in the past. I'd take him on loan - if he fucks about, we send him back in the post. If he wants to contribute then he's more than welcome!
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Yeah, loan signing seems eminently sensible. We will have Kodjia back next season, and will have a better idea of how good Davies is going to be and whether Hogan is capable of maintaining his improved form. We can have another look in the Summer if need be.
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Agree and although he isn't exactly a high profile signing, he would be fine for what we need until the end of the season.
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Scored against the villa too
Usually enough for us to sign someone
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he'd be ok as a loan
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Scored against the villa too
Usually enough for us to sign someone
True. Lets get Clayton Donaldson in or Andy Wiemann back?
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Back to Gregg Evans. Given his gravitas I would imagine when he is snooping round the outside of the training ground looking for a scoop, a man with a high viz on comes up and says 'Sorry son, no autographs today.'
'But I am here by order of the Sneaky Finders'
(http://thumb.ibb.co/eZyDzR/4221396001_4090708237001_Gregg_Evans_on_the_Aston_Villa_V_WBA_double_header_vs.jpg)
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I am by no means an angry person but look at that face it is just so punchable.
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
Poorly
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
Poorly
Surely you'd think the prerequisite of the job would be to be an actual Villa fan?
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That doesn't automatically follow.
A skilled, objective writer who wasn't actually a Villa fan would help, rather than hinder us.
But this guy, I don’t get it.
Mebbe he fires out 20 stories a day and the SEO headlines are textbook.
Or maybe he's shit hot knocking up videos with Kinemaster or whatever.
But actual writing, actual insight = niet.
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Sky reporting that we've agreed a deal to take Grabban on loan for the rest of the season...
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
Poorly
Surely you'd think the prerequisite of the job would be to be an actual Villa fan?
Not at all. The main qualification would be to be good at the job; some of the best we've had have supported other clubs.
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What bugs me is every time I search Aston Villa for news etc I have his ridiculous gormless fucking mug staring back at me, it's pretty much unavoidable. I'd liken it to stepping in a fucking dog turd every time you step out your front door. His piss poor regurgitation of old news and efforts to create something out of no news just adds to it further.
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
Poorly
Surely you'd think the prerequisite of the job would be to be an actual Villa fan?
Not at all. The main qualification would be to be good at the job; some of the best we've had have supported other clubs.
Agree totally. Evans and Baggie Bill are both awful reporters though. Kendrick at least writes well and even though he is Villa does tend to be mildly balanced. That Evans is still in the job amazes me.
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Leon Hickman was the best. Even though I always thought Leon was an odd name for a man of his years.
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What's the good Dr saying. The good man Percy is reliable for Midlands news and he's confirmed. Grabban very good addition. Scores goals helped reading last season to Wembley. Brilliant move. Oh and won a few money on it.
Anyone else bet on this?
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Twelve in nineteen for Sunderland is pretty good, considering how shite they are. Get him in, then turn our phones off, job done.
Scored against the villa too
Which has always been the extent of our scouting process in the past. I'd take him on loan - if he fucks about, we send him back in the post. If he wants to contribute then he's more than welcome!
No history of f 'ing about. As he was fine with both Sunderland and Reading last season. I think as a proven striker at this level and for what it's worth as decent as can be.
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The best I can remember them employing supported Wolves, Coventry and the Stripeys.
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Being suggested that Cardiff are no longer in the running for a Grabban. We’re now favourites
Good. Even if he doesn’t contribute much to us directly will do so indirectly by not going to Cardiff.
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Sky saying it's been agreed. Welcome, Lewis.
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I'm pretty certain he'll be the first Villa player to have the same first names, Lewis James, as me. Yes I know nobody cares a toss, but it means a lot to me. C'mon Villa Lew.
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
Don't be like that CL! What have you heard?!
Apologies. I got side tracked with work stuff. Here is a scoop for you, Lewis Grabban.
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Sky reporting Man City walked away from the Mahrez deal after Leicester reportedly demanded £95m! FFP doesn't really apply in the PL does it?
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Sky reporting Man City walked away from the Mahrez deal after Leicester reportedly demanded £95m! FFP doesn't really apply in the PL does it?
They'll be back with an improved offer. £125m and Fabian Delph.
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Looks like Swansea lad McBurnie is off to try and keep Sunderland in the Championship
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Sky reporting Man City walked away from the Mahrez deal after Leicester reportedly demanded £95m! FFP doesn't really apply in the PL does it?
Yes. Raking in hundreds of millions in revenue is the key. And the bit that's a bit harder if you're not there.
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They offered Asa Hartford and Dennis Tueart plus cash apparently.
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What is Greg Evans saying? With his alluding to interest target no offence to grabban but that couldn't be it. One more attacker or left full back would be really very decent!
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Remember it well, he still went on to have a very decent career. What's he at these days, anyone know?
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Remember it well, he still went on to have a very decent career. What's he at these days, anyone know?
Being used as the makeweight for the Mahrez deal?
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
A bit like the time we found out Stephen Ireland was an arsehole
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Remember it well, he still went on to have a very decent career. What's he at these days, anyone know?
don't know but he's 68 this year according to Wiki so it's not given up on him yet
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
A bit like the time we found out Stephen Ireland was an arsehole
Sadly that was terminal
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Sky reporting Man City walked away from the Mahrez deal after Leicester reportedly demanded £95m! FFP doesn't really apply in the PL does it?
We are hoping to get promoted to this division of madness. If ever the Sky money takes a downturn the premiership will become the proverbial house of cards.
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Remember it well, he still went on to have a very decent career. What's he at these days, anyone know?
Hartford was in digs when he was first at WBA not far from me. About my age I had a few kick arounds with him, good lad. As my dad said at the time "If he has a hole in the heart, I want one."
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Remember it well, he still went on to have a very decent career. What's he at these days, anyone know?
Hartford was in digs when he was first at WBA not far from me. About my age I had a few kick arounds with him, good lad. As my dad said at the time "If he has a hole in the heart, I want one."
it's a long time ago,
but I Remember him being a busy little player with skills, similar to Archie Gemmill
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He's just a bloke doing a job.
Poorly
Surely you'd think the prerequisite of the job would be to be an actual Villa fan?
Not at all. The main qualification would be to be good at the job; some of the best we've had have supported other clubs.
He's just a bloke doing a job.
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Surely you'd think the prerequisite of the job would be to be an actual Villa fan?
Not at all. The main qualification would be to be good at the job; some of the best we've had have supported other clubs.
Agree totally. Evans and Baggie Bill are both awful reporters though. Kendrick at least writes well and even though he is Villa does tend to be mildly balanced. That Evans is still in the job amazes me.
My train of thought was if you're gonna be that bad at least if you were a Villa fan your enthusiasm, disappointment and authenticity would actually come through (and therefore be an improvement). Also there must also be some great/good journalists out there who are Villa fans who would actually love the job. It sticks out more to me because besides the fact that I don't rate him I have the feeling he doesn't actually even like the club?! Although that might just be the Mail? But I take on board if the journalist in question was actually good at his job who he supported probably wouldn't be an issue.
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They offered Asa Hartford and Dennis Tueart plus cash apparently.
Leicester should hold out for Mike Summerbee as well.
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
Yes but not as massive and shocking when it was found out Norman Hunter had a heart.
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Bibble
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Norman Hunter only had one heart. The rest were clubs, diamonds and spades.
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According to the Beeb website, Swansea have re-signed ‘Andrew’ Ayew
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They would have taken it but Leicester were worried that Tueart might fail the medical. No flies on the Foxes.
anyone else remember when they found out Asa Hartford had a hole in his heart when at Man City
I remember it being massive news back then
I thought it was his £175000 transfer to Leeds that was called off because of his hole in the heart.
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Suliman has gone out to Grimsby, which makes the Bruce quote about his emergence being one of the reasons for letting Elphick go seem even stranger.
I hope RHM and o'hare get loans as well, it's pretty clear that they're too good for the reserves and Bruce isn't going to use them so we should be getting them spots at the highest level we can.
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What is Greg Evans saying? With his alluding to interest target no offence to grabban but that couldn't be it. One more attacker or left full back would be really very decent!
I honestly wouldn't trouble yourself, fkr.
Go and visit a local folly or fort, or summat.
And I say that as someone refreshing the Beeb and other sites, to see if we have confirmed on a deal for the Bournemouth reserve who will catapult us to world domination.
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Grabban a Villain
Ian Dennis
Radio 5 live senior football reporter
Aston Villa have completed the loan signing of Lewis Grabban from Bournemouth until the end of the season. Cardiff City were also interested.
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
Don't be like that CL! What have you heard?!
Apologies. I got side tracked with work stuff. Here is a scoop for you, Lewis Grabban.
Never heard of him. I can't see your supposed 'In The K' coming off at all.
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Only one player in today? Bruce out!!
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We might well get a striker tomorrow.
Don't be like that CL! What have you heard?!
Apologies. I got side tracked with work stuff. Here is a scoop for you, Lewis Grabban.
Never heard of him. I can't see your supposed 'In The K' coming off at all.
I appreciate I speak bollocks.
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I know he has a very comfortable living and all that, but I reckon I would be properly fucked off with Leicester if I were him. Man City offer 60 million ish for you, representing a profit of all but 350k, having helped the side win the league and stayed on the next season etc. If anyone has earned the right to be let go for a reasonable fee I would have thought he fits the bill. The fact Leicester won't get close to 60 million come the summer is even more strange. Why bother forcing an unhappy player for 6 months. Seems very strange, and a bit shitty of the club all things considered. I don't often side with a player on these ones either.
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Much worse than a stopped clock, Jim White in yellow and black on Sky Sports News is wrong twice a year.
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Fulham having Mitrovic. Meh.
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Mary Poppins has had his say.
Alan Shearer
Twitter › alanshearer
So over 11 seasons @NUFC net spend has been £4.5m a season. Throw in the TV money and ever present gate money....🤔 One hour left to spend some and give them a chance! Well done to the fans tonight for showing their love for the club. Shame others don't share it. #NUFC
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I know he has a very comfortable living and all that, but I reckon I would be properly fucked off with Leicester if I were him. Man City offer 60 million ish for you, representing a profit of all but 350k, having helped the side win the league and stayed on the next season etc. If anyone has earned the right to be let go for a reasonable fee I would have thought he fits the bill. The fact Leicester won't get close to 60 million come the summer is even more strange. Why bother forcing an unhappy player for 6 months. Seems very strange, and a bit shitty of the club all things considered. I don't often side with a player on these ones either.
Absolutely zero sympathy for him. Leicester are completely within their rights to protect their investment to the Nth degree. This stupidly inflated transfer market has seen players you'd struggle to find on a list of the Top 20 players in the world trading clubs for £75m and up. Man City have more money at their disposal than the entire GDP of some European nations so I have absolutely no issues with Leicester digging their heels in for as much as they can get. There is no argument for rewarding his loyalty either, IMO, since he was agitating for a move away to a bigger club after just 2 seasons with them, regardless of their PL success. He's as mercenary as the rest and fair play to the Foxes.
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Some still believe there should be a strange old phenomenon namely club loyalty. This all but disappeared with division one, every talented player has a at best fifteen years to make as much money as possible and I have no problem with any player moving to improve his financial position. They are after all employees and anyone in any profession who is offered a far better position would be crazy not to move on. Upsetting to the fans definitely but we as no longer one of the financially strongest clubs better get used to it.
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Leicester have plenty of money and didn't want to sell one of their best players. Struggling to see how they've done anything wrong.
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Leicester have plenty of money and didn't want to sell one of their best players. Struggling to see how they've done anything wrong.
I'm pretty sure this is one of those situations where nobody has done anything wrong.
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Mary Poppins has had his say.
Alan Shearer
Twitter › alanshearer
So over 11 seasons @NUFC net spend has been £4.5m a season. Throw in the TV money and ever present gate money....🤔 One hour left to spend some and give them a chance! Well done to the fans tonight for showing their love for the club. Shame others don't share it. #NUFC
I wish all the bad things in the world on Velcro Head and only Velcro Head.
Big box headed barsteward. Like Kryton, but with less shame, sadly.
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Not sure Mahrez really knows what he wants to do himself. Apparently he's recently purchased a house just outside London. I get the feeling he wants to play for Arsenal but they haven't signed him for whatever reason.
Leicester will just sell end of season.
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Sturridge wanted £150,000 a week. There is 14 weeks left of the season so £2.25m. He is a cracking player but could he would have got ‘injured ‘. Bullet dodged. But maybe when we go up?
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Mary Poppins has had his say.
Alan Shearer
Twitter › alanshearer
So over 11 seasons @NUFC net spend has been £4.5m a season. Throw in the TV money and ever present gate money....🤔 One hour left to spend some and give them a chance! Well done to the fans tonight for showing their love for the club. Shame others don't share it. #NUFC
I wish all the bad things in the world on Velcro Head and only Velcro Head.
Big box headed barsteward. Like Kryton, but with less shame, sadly.
I personally don’t have a problem with Shearer, we all had a good laugh at his expense when he helped take them down as a useless manager, but as a player he’s a club legend , sticks up for his club and feels their pain when they are suffering. IMO he’s their Ian Taylor only with more goals to his name . I also like the fact he showed up Roy Keane for the big girls blouse he actually is. Yes he’s got his faults as we all have but he never strikes me as anything other than a decent human being and one with dedication and belief at that.
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Sturridge wanted £150,000 a week. There is 14 weeks left of the season so £2.25m. He is a cracking player but could he would have got ‘injured ‘. Bullet dodged. But maybe when we go up?
Apparently he can walk on broken glass.
Injury prone has been.
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
For a start, he kicked Bosnich after the ball had gone
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See the Dog Heads announced Afobe late on......a decent signing for them to add to their flair.
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
For a start, he kicked Bosnich after the ball had gone
And broke Ugo's eye socket
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
Because he was a cheating bastard. It was extra hilarious when they went down while he was manager.
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I’ve must taken a look at the transfer that went through in the ‘big boys league’. I really couldn’t be arsed yesterday.
The one that stuck out was Giroud from Arsenal to Chelsea.
Not only am I shocked that Arse have let him go, but the fact it was £18m is an absolute steal. In today’s world of stupid numbers, they may have well sent him across London for free.
I can only guess he is out of contract?
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See the Dog Heads announced Afobe late on......a decent signing for them to add to their flair.
Yeah, if he finds the kind of form he did there last time, he is only going to make them stronger and you would have to think that will seal them one of the automatic promotion places if they haven't already.
With Grabban signing yesterday, it's been a very good January for us both on and off the pitch all-in-all .
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I was amazed Chelsea let Batshuayi go out on loan, very strange
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
I used to live near to Shearer in Formby, whilst he was playing at Blackburn - he lived in a big but not flash house -
I met him on numerous occasions whilst he and I were out walking our dogs or nipping down to the newsagents.
He occasionally gave a cursory nod but never engaged in conversation or even said hello or good morning - I took it as rude, however I daresay some may see it as him keeping his distance ....his choice after all
Its not as if he was looking to blend into the background - one Sunday morning he was out walking his dog and Shearer was wearing an England tracksuit - the day before he had a bagged a few goals for England - "Good morning Alan, great game yesterday- " I said whilst walking towards him
Total blank ..... from then on I just gave up
In total contrast Gerrard has always been the total opposite and is always pleasant and polite when he says hello - when out walking with his kids, sitting in the local with his mates, or shopping in Formby
Take as you find
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See the Dog Heads announced Afobe late on......a decent signing for them to add to their flair.
Yeah, if he finds the kind of form he did there last time, he is only going to make them stronger and you would have to think that will seal them one of the automatic promotion places if they haven't already.
With Grabban signing yesterday, it's been a very good January for us both on and off the pitch all-in-all .
With them far and away in 1st. I am happy with any additions they make that helps ensure they put away the teams that are around us when they play them!
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I think I saw it flash across the bottom of the screen on SSN that Bournemouth will let Grabban go in January.
We could do worse.
I dont much like him. 30 years old, literally useless with high balls, agreed to a loan because he couldnt make Bournemouth's bench, then when the going gets tough at Sunderland and he cant be arsed he asks to end the loan to see if he can angle for a payday somewhere else.
I think we would be buying a problem worse than McCormack or Gabby.
I didn’t know any of that, I’m not that interested in football. I thought his loan finished in January anyway.
My only contributions to this thread as far as I recall.
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
Because he was a cheating bastard. It was extra hilarious when they went down while he was manager.
100% this. He was a snake on the pitch, a crap manager, and now he's a shit pundit. Thoroughly unlikeable as far as I can see.
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I met Shearer at Cheltenham races,top bloke, wish we would have had him in our side during his prime.
How anyone can wish all the bad things in the world on him is beyond me???
Because he was a cheating bastard. It was extra hilarious when they went down while he was manager.
100% this. He was a snake on the pitch, a crap manager, and now he's a shit pundit. Thoroughly unlikeable as far as I can see.
He was one of those players I hated playing against us but would love him if he was playing for us.
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In many ways Shearer is a lot like Terry. He wasn't likeable playing for someone else, but you can absolutely see why fans of the clubs they played for loved them. And like Terry, outside of the thoroughly dislikeable stuff tied to them, they were both outstanding footballers.
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In many ways Shearer is a lot like Terry. He wasn't likeable playing for someone else, but you can absolutely see why fans of the clubs they played for loved them. And like Terry, outside of the thoroughly dislikeable stuff tied to them, they were both outstanding footballers.
Intelligent footballers, both their reading of the game puts them above most others.
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Shearer was a magnificent player. I remember him playing against us for Southampton when he must have been, what 17? 18? and he stood out even then.
In his prime at Blackburn and early years at Newcastle he was pretty much averaging a goal a game in the Premier League for about 5 seasons consecutively.
Sh&t manager though. And not much better as a pundit either.
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Shearer was a magnificent player. I remember him playing against us for Southampton when he must have been, what 17? 18? and he stood out even then.
In his prime at Blackburn and early years at Newcastle he was pretty much averaging a goal a game in the Premier League for about 5 seasons consecutively.
Sh&t manager though. And not much better as a pundit either.
Yep. Had it all as a centre forward - could hold the ball up, could run in behind, very strong in the air, scored all type of goals and had a general nuisance factor.
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There's no doubting his ability. Doesn't mean he wasn't a cheating arse.
See also: Ronaldo, Bale, Gerrard, Owen, all Leeds United players from 1965-75, Francis, well... you get the idea.
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Shearer was a magnificent player. I remember him playing against us for Southampton when he must have been, what 17? 18? and he stood out even then.
In his prime at Blackburn and early years at Newcastle he was pretty much averaging a goal a game in the Premier League for about 5 seasons consecutively.
Sh&t manager though. And not much better as a pundit either.
Yep. Had it all as a centre forward - could hold the ball up, could run in behind, very strong in the air, scored all type of goals and had a general nuisance factor.
best centre forward in Europe for 2/3 seasons imo
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Can't say I've ever been a fan of his* but my brother spent some time with him whilst working on his documentary about the links between football and dementia and he had nothing but praise for him, he also kept in touch after the documentary was aired.
*Shearer that is, big fan of my brother.
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New definition of “A Bunch of C**ts” is an organisation such as a football club where the manager complains about struggling on with lack of players and cover for injured players and yet the club has loaned out about 57 players to other clubs.
No prizes for guessing the name of our captain’s former club.
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off topic slightly but I was staggered that Huddersfield paid Norwich 12m for Pritchard - unfuckingbelieveable
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off topic slightly but I was staggered that Huddersfield paid Norwich 12m for Pritchard - unfuckingbelieveable
He looks a decent player to me. Could always spend that on a 29 year old striker with no top flight experience and a shite attitude.
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Pritchard went there for 8 and has done well so not shocked it was upwards of 10. Makes me think Hourihane must be worth more though.