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Title: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 05, 2017, 04:51:26 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcNb3WFBTY

Animals is right.  Anyone remember this....
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: rim gk on November 05, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcNb3WFBTY

Animals is right.  Anyone remember this....
is that locals from yew tree road? Station road?
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: rim gk on November 05, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
The odd thing is there commonsthings which are shared between Glasgow Rangers and us. They are ready we're prepared, the lion on the badge, they have a similar mosaic to us, villa have big historical links in our foundation and formation as we all know.  Most villa from what I've seen identify more with rangers than celtic.  Now down the Sty there's some blues who also support rangers, they get stick of the other noses as they say your are following villa's sister club, I wouldn't even call it a cousin club, shared heritage at the most.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: thick_mike on November 05, 2017, 05:17:30 PM
The odd thing is there commonsthings which are shared between Glasgow Rangers and us. They are ready we're prepared, the lion on the badge, they have a similar mosaic to us, villa have big historical links in our foundation and formation as we all know.  Most villa from what I've seen identify more with rangers than celtic.  Now down the Sty there's some blues who also support rangers, they get stick of the other noses as they say your are following villa's sister club, I wouldn't even call it a cousin club, shared heritage at the most.

Really? I've never thought we had any supporter allegiances with rangers over Celtic. My data is limited to the half and half woolly hats that used to be worn in the 80s, and the Celtic/Rangers chants that used to be sung from the Holte End.

I was Left side/Celtic/Tiswas...someone here has the same in their sig.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Rico on November 05, 2017, 05:28:10 PM
Although I wasn't at that match, I was talking to a Rangers fan recently (he claims to have been at the match) about this. His take on it was that it was the Villa fans who kicked off all of the trouble by displaying Celtic and Ireland flags during the match. It was a version of events that I have never heard before. Can anyone else confirm this story?
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: rim gk on November 05, 2017, 05:30:39 PM
Although I wasn't at that match, I was talking to a Rangers fan recently (he claims to have been at the match) about this. His take on it was that it was the Villa fans who kicked off all of the trouble by displaying Celtic and Ireland flags during the match. It was a version of events that I have never heard before. Can anyone else confirm this story?
I've heard the same by more than one person. Any one remember the tri colour that used to hang over the upper trinity. Used to say roxy or something. Rangers came for trouble if it hadnt been the tri colour would  have been something else.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 05, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
Although I wasn't at that match, I was talking to a Rangers fan recently (he claims to have been at the match) about this. His take on it was that it was the Villa fans who kicked off all of the trouble by displaying Celtic and Ireland flags during the match. It was a version of events that I have never heard before. Can anyone else confirm this story?

I was there, and it's total rubbish.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Rico on November 05, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
Thought so, but couldn't dispute it having not been there. He seemed pretty convinced of its truth though to be fair.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Billy Walker on November 05, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
They had rioted at Wolves, Newcastle and Barcelona prior to the Villa match and they rioted in Manchester city centre not too long back - the stuff about Celtic tops and Irish flags is pure garbage.  They're like the Blosers on steroids when it comes to knuckle-dragging fuckwittery.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: lennythekad on November 05, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Although I wasn't at that match, I was talking to a Rangers fan recently (he claims to have been at the match) about this. His take on it was that it was the Villa fans who kicked off all of the trouble by displaying Celtic and Ireland flags during the match. It was a version of events that I have never heard before. Can anyone else confirm this story?



I was there, and it's total rubbish.

The incident the Rangers fan was on about was at half time , when a Villa fan ran out of the Witton End to the half way line, waving a Celtic scarf at the Rangers fans in the Holte End. A few Rangers fans in the Trinity enclosure, ran on to attack him, but he spotted them coming, and sprinted back to the Witton End, with them in hot pursuit. ( he made it back).
It may have inflamed the situation, but to say that was the trigger for the trouble is nonsense. It had kicked off in the early hours in the city centre.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: class-of-82 on November 05, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
i was there and a group of lads in the middle of the witton end unfurled a tricolour flag just after carrodus I think scored the 2nd goal but it didn't really matter as it was going to go off big style no matter what the flag or the score
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 06, 2017, 07:02:04 AM
The story about the Tricolour is correct, as a daft 16 year old I know as it was me and a mate who unfurled it onto the pitch, but it was just in the corner of the Witton and the Trinity, there was loads of them in the Trinity upper throwing beer cans at us and there had been loads of problems way before that.
We also unfurled it on Witton lane after the game had been abandoned, ask Carl Chinn he reminds me everytime I see him now when I am back in the country.
There had been trouble in town from the Thursday, I worked in town at the time and walking around at lunch time was like being in Glasgow, plus on the day of the game what alot people do not mention, is quite a few of our 12 toed neighbours from Small Heath joined up with the merry band of Huns that had come to Aston that Saturday.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 06, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
I was barred from going as a daft 16 year old provably the wisest thing my mum and dad ever stopped me from doing
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: anonymous on November 06, 2017, 05:59:08 PM
Ill try and give some info on this game as I remember it, from a kind of inside view
At around 10 is in the morning the club was informed by the police that around 10,000 + Rangers fans had travelled over night to B/ham and were hanging around the ground and surrounding streets.
The club opened the doors on their request, and they went into the Holte.

That got the main group off the streets, in town it was lively and some pubs closed as did most around the ground

When Villa fans turned up and tried to take their place in the Holte, they where given a hard time to put it mild

Villa went onto the then open Witton end

There was many fights on the Holte soon after Villa scored, as bottles were being thrown from the back but not reaching the pitch, but hitting their own fans, there were many Rangers fans getting first aid for head wounds

The then minister of sport Denis Howell was at the game, being based in the midlands he often enjoyed the freeby.

There were a few minor pitch invasions but after Villa's second goal a huge invasion happened and the game was abandened

Yes an Irish. flag was seen a few times and a Rangers Director talking with Howell tried to blame that on the trouble, as you can imagine the Rangers people would have been quite embarressed, and needed a scapgoat, bottm line is that was going to happen irrespective of what flags were on display.

the official numbers were 1400 Rangers there, made up with around 10,000 from Scotland, and Corby being the most talked about largest english group

For the record the town was lively again in the night and the locals had one or two scores to settle
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: thick_mike on November 06, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
Ill try and give some info on this game as I remember it, from a kind of inside view
At around 10 is in the morning the club was informed by the police that around 10,000 + Rangers fans had travelled over night to B/ham and were hanging around the ground and surrounding streets.
The club opened the doors on their request, and they went into the Holte.

That got the main group off the streets, in town it was lively and some pubs closed as did most around the ground

When Villa fans turned up and tried to take their place in the Holte, they where given a hard time to put it mild

Villa went onto the then open Witton end

There was many fights on the Holte soon after Villa scored, as bottles were being thrown from the back but not reaching the pitch, but hitting their own fans, there were many Rangers fans getting first aid for head wounds

The then minister of sport Denis Howell was at the game, being based in the midlands he often enjoyed the freeby.

There were a few minor pitch invasions but after Villa's second goal a huge invasion happened and the game was abandened

Yes an Irish. flag was seen a few times and a Rangers Director talking with Howell tried to blame that on the trouble, as you can imagine the Rangers people would have been quite embarressed, and needed a scapgoat, bottm line is that was going to happen irrespective of what flags were on display.

the official numbers were 1400 Rangers there, made up with around 10,000 from Scotland, and Corby being the most talked about largest english group

For the record the town was lively again in the night and the locals had one or two scores to settle

Just wanted to post this photo as a way of saying Happy Birthday to the great man. From your previous post it seems you might be in a position to pass on our good wishes to a true villa legend!


(http://thumb.ibb.co/n7Hd2b/IMG_2135.jpg) (http://ibb.co/n7Hd2b)
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on November 06, 2017, 10:31:58 PM
Have to say the Irish League and to be fair, the fans of local teams here have really got their act together in regards to dealing with the sectarianism that has blighted the local game here throughout the decades. It's still there among some moronic fans but it's on its way out. Belfast Rangers fans though are a different breed. I've been among them at Windsor Park and I've taken in an Old Firm match at Ibrox. Never again. I detest generalising, but it's a horrible, horrible club with fans to match. What happened at Villa Park forty years ago should have been consigned to history but Manchester showed it's still in them. Oh, and I've no affinity for Celtic whatsoever.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 06, 2017, 10:53:45 PM
I was barred from going as a daft 16 year old provably the wisest thing my mum and dad ever stopped me from doing
Same for me but I was only 13.

I seem to recall one of the tabloids had a headline " the day the Villa ran wild" as I think they said a couple of Rangers fans were stabbed. I may be wrong on that one though.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 07, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
I remember the match vividly - I worked above New Street at the time and watched the Rangers hordes descending on the city from Thursday onwards - by Friday afternoon there were hundreds of them in town - I used to drink at the Windsor at lunch time and a fair number were trying to get served in there.
On Friday afternoon I watched in total disbelief as a Rangers fan climbed up some ladders (belonging to a window cleaner) outside either Ratners or HS Samuels on Corporation St and then hanging from the large clock outside - it was like a scene from a Buster Keaton/Charlie Chaplin film :)
The Saturday morning /afternoon was carnage - when I got to Villa Park with my father it was obvious that the Rangers fans had "Taken Over" the Holte End - like idiots me and VCTM Snr still paid to get into the Holte - it was already a 1/3 full of drunken Rangers "fans" who were hell bent on causing mayhem - I saw kids aged about 11 swigging from bottles of sherry - one guy was pissing on his mate who was lying prone on the floor in an attempt to "revive" him.
VCTM snr was an RAF veteran having served  in the Far East and had witnessed some barbaric scenes whilst there couldn't believe what was happening inside his beloved Villa Park - there were no stewards I don't think and certainly no, if any police inside the ground at that stage - we decided to make a transfer to the Witton End and were charged by a turnstile attendant for getting to a place of safety - between the Holte End and the Witton End Snr was relieved of his wallet (which was later handed into the police in Glasgow minus his Barclaycard!!)
At 2-0 up (Frank Carradus scoring one of them I think) the idiots invaded the pitch and it was game over
We got home in one piece and on the night I went into town but most pubs were closed or very restrictive - I ended up going to the Odeon to watch a film - it was bizzare - when the lights came on at the end of the showing the place was full of Rangers fans !!! - I swapped my Sports Argus for a brand new Rangers Silk Scarf
I will never forget that weekend  - Some years later I went up to Glasgow to see Rangers v Aberdeen in a League Cup Final - they were just as bad then on their own turf  -
A night out on the town in Glasgow was certainly an eye opener for a young na´ve Brummie
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: usav on November 07, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Two questions:  how much of the match was left when we went 2-0 up and why were we playing them anyway?
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
Two questions:  how much of the match was left when we went 2-0 up and why were we playing them anyway?

I think we were about 65 minutes in.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 07, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
This is pretty informative for once.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-unseen-photos-villa-7899872
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Dougs Socks on November 07, 2017, 05:38:15 PM
I was 14 and up town with mate that day. Always used to wear my Villa scarf, and these cretins were spitting at me whilst we were waiting for the Bus home. Adults spitting at kids...wankers. One think is for sure, they would not do it today, because their teeth will be coming out in their shit. Never liked any of the Glasgow clubs since.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: class-of-82 on November 07, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
remember after the game there was 100s of us who was going back into town and we knew if we strayed apart we would get picked off then there was a Austin princess wedge shape police car just up from witton island that got absolutely destroyed when everyone charged at a load of rangers fans then 2 riot vans arrived, it was total mayhem for ages.
most of us stayed around the costermonger at oasis market most of the night
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: rim gk on November 07, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
I know someone who used to play in a local band at the time, he is also a blues fan but lived and worked amongst villa fans is well liked and popular with villa. Anyway his band were playing in town the night before the game, and a load of scotch walked in started saying "can yer play any status quo'  they replied no, the scotch weren't happy and smashed the boozer up.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 07, 2017, 07:45:32 PM
Two questions:  how much of the match was left when we went 2-0 up and why were we playing them anyway?

It was about 48 minutes in and we were playing them in a friendly because it was an international match weekend - a very unusual thing in those days.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: usav on November 07, 2017, 10:28:19 PM
Two questions:  how much of the match was left when we went 2-0 up and why were we playing them anyway?

It was about 48 minutes in and we were playing them in a friendly because it was an international match weekend - a very unusual thing in those days.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: ColinMac on November 10, 2017, 12:32:33 PM
I know someone who used to play in a local band at the time, he is also a blues fan but lived and worked amongst villa fans is well liked and popular with villa. Anyway his band were playing in town the night before the game, and a load of scotch walked in started saying "can yer play any status quo'  they replied no, the scotch weren't happy and smashed the boozer up.

The scotch? I didnt realise a bottle of whisky could speak, let alone smash a pub up.

Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2017, 07:33:50 PM
The Single Malt Crew are notorious and have an English branch at Scotch Corner.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: steamer on November 17, 2017, 10:41:25 AM
I was an apprentice and took the opportunity to earn a few extra pounds by working that saturday as there was no real game on.
No social media then, but the days events were being played out on BRMB
I went into town after work and as class of 82 says, a lot of villa around Hole in the wall and costermonger.
There were a few scores settled in town, as guys who had been on the lash for two days were picked off.
In hindsight a crazy fixture, Doug trying to make a few shekels on an International weekend.
You only have to remember the mayhem at the England Scotland games at Wembley, to imagine what was going to happen, this was Braveheart, Carnival time with everyone invading the land of the sassenachs, for a drunken replay of Bannockburn.
As an aside I think it was Sean (RIP) who was wearing his Celtic shirt and waving at them from the lower Trinity that raised the odds a bit.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 19, 2017, 12:00:29 PM
I was an apprentice and took the opportunity to earn a few extra pounds by working that saturday as there was no real game on.
No social media then, but the days events were being played out on BRMB
I went into town after work and as class of 82 says, a lot of villa around Hole in the wall and costermonger.
There were a few scores settled in town, as guys who had been on the lash for two days were picked off.
In hindsight a crazy fixture, Doug trying to make a few shekels on an International weekend.
You only have to remember the mayhem at the England Scotland games at Wembley, to imagine what was going to happen, this was Braveheart, Carnival time with everyone invading the land of the sassenachs, for a drunken replay of Bannockburn.
As an aside I think it was Sean (RIP) who was wearing his Celtic shirt and waving at them from the lower Trinity that raised the odds a bit.

Do you mean John Sullivan?
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 19, 2017, 01:25:15 PM
No he wrote Only Fools and Horses.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 19, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
No he wrote Only Fools and Horses.

Not the one I went to school with in the early seventies
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: steamer on November 20, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
I was an apprentice and took the opportunity to earn a few extra pounds by working that saturday as there was no real game on.
No social media then, but the days events were being played out on BRMB
I went into town after work and as class of 82 says, a lot of villa around Hole in the wall and costermonger.
There were a few scores settled in town, as guys who had been on the lash for two days were picked off.
In hindsight a crazy fixture, Doug trying to make a few shekels on an International weekend.
You only have to remember the mayhem at the England Scotland games at Wembley, to imagine what was going to happen, this was Braveheart, Carnival time with everyone invading the land of the sassenachs, for a drunken replay of Bannockburn.
As an aside I think it was Sean (RIP) who was wearing his Celtic shirt and waving at them from the lower Trinity that raised the odds a bit.

Do you mean John Sullivan

I did not realise his name was john, (Sean or Shaun was how i knew him) but his surname was Sullivan.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 20, 2017, 04:45:55 PM
I was an apprentice and took the opportunity to earn a few extra pounds by working that saturday as there was no real game on.
No social media then, but the days events were being played out on BRMB
I went into town after work and as class of 82 says, a lot of villa around Hole in the wall and costermonger.
There were a few scores settled in town, as guys who had been on the lash for two days were picked off.
In hindsight a crazy fixture, Doug trying to make a few shekels on an International weekend.
You only have to remember the mayhem at the England Scotland games at Wembley, to imagine what was going to happen, this was Braveheart, Carnival time with everyone invading the land of the sassenachs, for a drunken replay of Bannockburn.
As an aside I think it was Sean (RIP) who was wearing his Celtic shirt and waving at them from the lower Trinity that raised the odds a bit.

Do you mean John Sullivan

I did not realise his name was john, (Sean or Shaun was how i knew him) but his surname was Sullivan.

If it's my mate, I met up with him in an Antwerp pub before the match, tall lanky guy then about seventeen year old ?
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: Bernie on November 20, 2017, 04:48:24 PM
That's the fellow.His surname was actually O'Sullivan, real first name John but known to everyone, including his family, as Sean.
Title: Re: Villa v Rangers 1976 - reaction
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 20, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
That's the fellow.His surname was actually O'Sullivan, real first name John but known to everyone, including his family, as Sean.

Thanks for the sad confirmation, you're right it was John O'Sullivan. First mate I had at Handsworth Grammar school back in 1969, lost touch over the years but remember him fondly, Holte Ender in the Sky

RIP John/ Sean