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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 04, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
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Poor day at the office.
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Dismal.
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2 wins in 5
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Not sure why he tampered with the formation. Surely if JO was out then bring someone in to do his job. We looked well short in midfield and let Bannan run the show. It's shame as some results went for us and we could have made some ground.
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left early as we were shit and i felt like shit. I never thought I'd be wishing Terry a speedy recovery but we need him back asap. Let's hope this was an aberration
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Samba just scored.
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Can't see us finishing top 2, there's too many performances like today under Bruce. Pretty much no one had a good game, a few were average and many below par.
Comes to something when Samba is more use up front than Hogan is.
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Deary me
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Can't see us finishing top 2, there's too many performances like today under Bruce. Pretty much no one had a good game, a few were average and many below par.
Comes to something when Samba is more use up front than Hogan is.
A telephone box is more useful than Hogan.
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A bang average team with a less then average manager.
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Am sure we will make the play offs
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Game plan destroyed with the opening goal coming so soon. We don’t recover well. Something of an Achilles heel for us as a club, not just under Bruce. Need to write it off, get healthy and come back and get back to winning again. Lots to play for.
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We should completely forget about Hogan now, he’s had enough opportunity and has consistently offered very little. The only time he’s effected a result this season is when he blocked Hourihane’s certain goal to give us a win.
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Back to earth with a bump. Normal last few seasons form is resumed.
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Oh well.
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Bugger.
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We got what we deserved today, nothing.
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First time we've gone behind at VP and we failed miserably chasing. I think some earlier changes to formation and personnel in the second half could have salvaged something. Going into the last 10 trailing 2-1 would have been interesting. The middle part of the half was allowed to drift.
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First time we've gone behind at VP and we failed miserably chasing.
I said with the early goal it would be a good test if we could chase a goal losing.
In our good run over last two months we've still been the ones scoring first in games.
It's still the case when we concede the first goal we usually lose the game.
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I’ve never been a Bruce fan & I have zero faith that he will get us to top 2 this year so my view of the game will be scathing but I really don’t see why he doesn’t even occasionally switch his wingers - never know a winger might get to bye line once if they didn’t have to cut in every time before crossing a ball.
2 strikers with no way of getting ball to them wasn’t great.
Not doubt Hogan will cop a lot of stick again, fed on scraps & made only chance for himself.
Adomah was truly dreadful yet made it through 90 mins (at least think he did I’d done one at 83-84)
Ref was a comedy act today
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I can take being beat by a better opponent. What I can't is idiotic tactics and a bullshit effort.
Hogan to go in Jan. The man has no motivation to make an impact on the game. Whelan can't stay on for 90 if he's a dog after 60, especially with jedi on the bench.
All we did watch launch balls instead of creating something.
Aggravating.
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2 strikers with no way of getting ball to them wasn’t great.
We played with two wingers and full backs that aren't afraid to push on so not quite true. In reality, the first goal shocked them and too many were way below the expected level. Maybe 3 games in a week did take its toll but we apparently have the strongest squad in the league so it could have been freshened up.
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We scored by playing football.
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It sounds as if we were unfortunate to concede an early goal and then lose Terry, but good managers and teams should be able to recover from such setbacks. Unfortunately typical of Bruce to follow up a good performance with a poor one or vice versa. I stick with my view that play-offs are the best we can hope for because of this inconsistency. And I still think Bruce is not getting anywhere near as much out of this squad as he should or could be.
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Didn’t play well did we? Disappointed
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It sounds as if we were unfortunate to concede an early goal and then lose Terry, but good managers and teams should be able to recover from such setbacks. Unfortunately typical of Bruce to follow up a good performance with a poor one or vice versa. I stick with my view that play-offs are the best we can hope for because of this inconsistency. And I still think Bruce is not getting anywhere near as much out of this squad as he should or could be.
Agree and would you trust Bruce to get the big decisions right in the play offs?
I don’t.
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Terry has broken his foot. Ffs.
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Very poor. Very early goal rocked us and we never recovered. Subs and where Bruce played them was very odd. Let's hope Terry is not badly injured.
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That's a fucking disaster.
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2 strikers with no way of getting ball to them wasn’t great.
We played with two wingers and full backs that aren't afraid to push on so not quite true. In reality, the first goal shocked them and too many were way below the expected level. Maybe 3 games in a week did take its toll but we apparently have the strongest squad in the league so it could have been freshened up.
3 out of 4 of those wingers / full backs play on the opposite side to their strong foot which can work well but occasionally when it isn’t switch them round, give opposition something to think about
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Terry getting injured is the worst part about today. Just the usual shit luck.
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I'll file that one under "one of those days". I don't think we should overreact to the odd defeat (or overreact to wins), the Championship throws these results from nowhere around.
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We just aren't consistent or convincing enough. We'll be in play off contention but we'll have plenty more days like this before the end of the season. And we desperately need a reliable goalscorer other than Kodjia.
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That was shite.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/1728459403864788/
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I'll file that one under "one of those days". I don't think we should overreact to the odd defeat (or overreact to wins), the Championship throws these results from nowhere around.
Agree with that. The first half was one of those games where everything went wrong from the early goal to Terry and Snoddgrass going off. We worked hard enough to get ourselves back into but it didnt go for us. One to forget and dust ourselves down from after the interntional break.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
Some quality insight into the game there.
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So Samba in the team for the foreseeable future then. Has our season just imploded?
Roll on January.
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Not sure why he tampered with the formation. Surely if JO was out then bring someone in to do his job. We looked well short in midfield and let Bannan run the show. It's shame as some results went for us and we could have made some ground.
One would think Jedinak with Whelan in the centre with Hourahane further forward in the Platt role would have been a good bet, maybe even like that with everyone fit pushing Kodjia and Adomah into the wide positions.
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So Samba in the team for the foreseeable future then. Has our season just imploded?
Roll on January.
need to look elsewhere as he's the new goalscoring striker
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/1728459403864788/
Did he say 1/4 season gone? A 64 game season? Bloody Hell.
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It sounds as if we were unfortunate to concede an early goal and then lose Terry, but good managers and teams should be able to recover from such setbacks. Unfortunately typical of Bruce to follow up a good performance with a poor one or vice versa. I stick with my view that play-offs are the best we can hope for because of this inconsistency. And I still think Bruce is not getting anywhere near as much out of this squad as he should or could be.
You've nailed it here, for me. Both Adomah and Snodgrass were desperate today, Hourihane was given a lesson by BB and Whelan is very limited.
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Has to be filed away as 'one of those days'
Awful start which clearly knocked us bandy for a while. Quite a few off days but i thought the effort was there so that's something to cling to.
Move on, this one is now forgotten and it's onto QPR
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
Some quality insight into the game there.
He probably gave up after 30 seconds and I can't say I blame him. I'm wondering whether the 'rim' in the user name is a reference to something naughty though.
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Ha ha I thougt it was short for Rimmer Goalkeeper as he seems like a fan from the 70s
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Not too many players can claim even a half decent performance today, just one of those days when nothing went right for us.
That said it difficult to look at the formation and personnel that finished the game and have a lot of faith in Bruce’s strategic skills.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/jC0i0w/article_1259498_00_A24_D78000004_B0_622_233x404.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jC0i0w)
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It's early days yet and we are still in the mix, and this two-week break will do us the world of good. Let's get into QPR in a fortnight and put it all right again.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
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utter pish.
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Terry getting injured is the worst part about today. Just the usual shit luck.
Agreed the injury is far worse than the result. Not shit luck though for a 36 year to suffer an injury and not bad luck not ensuring we have adequate cover (especially when you consider how defensive Bruce is)
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Terry getting injured is the worst part about today. Just the usual shit luck.
Agreed the injury is far worse than the result. Not shit luck though for a 36 year to suffer an injury and not bad luck not ensuring we have adequate cover (especially when you consider how defensive Bruce is)
agree with the time he be out for we wont get VFM.
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The only bright spot for us was the return of Grealish. I thought he looked really sharp and skilful when he came on.
As for the rest of the game, oh dear...
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Why was manor road chippy closed, disgrace.
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Today proved everything we know about the villa
Can’t beat the better teams
Better counter attacking team than taking the game to our opponents
Whelan is limited
Davis will be a good player but canrely upon him immediately to give 10 out 10 performances each game
Bruce sees things us supporters obviously don’t. Not always right
Hogan is not a wide player
Despite all of the above and a dismal performance today we may still go up, on the basis that apart f on wolves teams in this division are bang average
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Nobody shone today and they looked as comfortable against us as we did at Preston.
I didn't get the change in formation either. I think that it is clear that it is just not going to work for Hogan or us if he plays. He may do better elsewhere but he just doesn't look as if he will make an impact irrespective of where he plays or who plays alongside him.
Bannan had his best game at VP. I don't recall him playing like that for us, although it is a division down.
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Went to the game earlier and agree with the comments that have said it was just one of those games. Too many poor performances and I thought the very early goal knocked the stuffing out of us really.
Although they set up in a 4-4-2, they always had someone in the ‘number 10’ position when they were attacking, whether it be a striker or one of their wide players stepping in. That left Hourihane and Whelan outnumbered in central midfield and they always had a spare man in there.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies?
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2 wins in 5
Hahahahaha
Just had a discussion about the doomsdayers and then I see this - ha!
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We had to lose sooner or later. We get over it and move on to the next game. Not particularly worried.
I can't deny I'm not happy I won't see John Terry in a Villa shirt for a while though. (I'm aware he's probably improved us, but I still can't stand the bloke and wish we'd never signed him. A person like that should never be allowed to play for a club like us - it's a principle thing - I seem to recall last time he went off injured at Villa Park we all shouted 'wanker' in unison as well as telling him we knew what he was (is)).
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We had to lose sooner or later. We get over it and move on to the next game. Not particularly worried.
I can't deny I'm not happy I won't see John Terry in a Villa shirt for a while though. (I'm aware he's probably improved us, but I still can't stand the bloke and wish we'd never signed him. A person like that should never be allowed to play for a club like us - it's a principle thing - I seem to recall last time he went off injured at Villa Park we all shouted 'wanker' in unison as well as telling him we knew what he was (is)).
Ffs can’t we give it a rest with the tiresome anti-Terry talk on here. He’s our player and he’s probably our best player as well. We need to get over it.
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We had to lose sooner or later. We get over it and move on to the next game. Not particularly worried.
I can't deny I'm not happy I won't see John Terry in a Villa shirt for a while though. (I'm aware he's probably improved us, but I still can't stand the bloke and wish we'd never signed him. A person like that should never be allowed to play for a club like us - it's a principle thing - I seem to recall last time he went off injured at Villa Park we all shouted 'wanker' in unison as well as telling him we knew what he was (is)).
Well maybe you should leave your prejudices aside,he has been outstanding for us and I fear for the defence now.
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Elphick. Gulp.
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We had to lose sooner or later. We get over it and move on to the next game. Not particularly worried.
yes its such a long time since we lost.
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We had to lose sooner or later. We get over it and move on to the next game. Not particularly worried.
I can't deny I'm not happy I won't see John Terry in a Villa shirt for a while though. (I'm aware he's probably improved us, but I still can't stand the bloke and wish we'd never signed him. A person like that should never be allowed to play for a club like us - it's a principle thing - I seem to recall last time he went off injured at Villa Park we all shouted 'wanker' in unison as well as telling him we knew what he was (is)).
Absolute shambles, I disagree. By all accounts he has added value to the team and performed well. Shame on you!
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Action (http://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-sheff-wed/374799)
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Well... damn it.
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Disappointing performance. Despite a run of good results we are still unable to control a game from midfield. Most sides have a pivotal midfielder, the go to man who makes himself available and runs the team. We don't, and we haven't had one for years. Barry Bannan ran the game today. He was always in space, got them out of trouble at times and was creative. In comparison, our midfield is slow and lacks urgency.
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Why was manor road chippy closed, disgrace.
Surely no more? Please.
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Bruce and the players share equal blame for that shocker...
Hogan from the start, WHY ?
Playing too deep (again).
No pressing high up the pitch.
[edit] and now I find out he knew Snodgrass had fractured ribs and still played him - that borders on criminal
Some of the players couldn't even pass the ball 5 yards to a teammate.
O'Hare or Grealish should have started instead of Hogan, in the Onomah role.
...and although it didn't affect the result, a special mention for one of the most incompetent refs I've seen for a while. He looked a bit like Phil Dowd and refed like him too.
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Bruce and the players share equal blame for that shocker...
Hogan from the start, WHY ?
Playing too deep (again).
No pressing high up the pitch.
[edit] and now I find out he knew Snodgrass had fractured ribs and still played him - that borders on criminal
Some of the players couldn't even pass the ball 5 yards to a teammate.
O'Hare or Grealish should have started instead of Hogan, in the Onomah role.
...and although it didn't affect the result, a special mention for one of the most incompetent refs I've seen for a while. He looked a bit like Phil Dowd and refed like him too.
100% all the above
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I can't stand Terry, but he's going to be a loss to the side. And if folks still don't like him they're fully entitled to say so.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies?
Ray Graydon running down the wing, then a good old carry on film, great.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
d. Eat a doughnut.
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Teams going up via play offs have in different results. We are aplays off team potentially, very confident we're semi finalist which is would be a big improvement on last season. It was one those days, get over it look forward to the next game.
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Incredibly disappointing after such a good performance midweek, also worried about Hogan.
But it's a long season.
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Post-match interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/1728459403864788/
Did he say 1/4 season gone? A 64 game season? Bloody Hell.
Bruce has got his digits transposed!
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Today’s line up never looked like it had goals in it and we were always going to be on the back foot after a start like that.
Too many players weren’t at the races today. Thought Hourihane and Adomah both struggled.
O’Hare made some clever runs and got into space well but then didn’t get the ball. Samba actually did a pretty competent job. Grealish’s cameo appearance was an encouraging one.
Not our day. You can’t win them all.
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Disappointed obviously. Early goal and Terry going off affected us. Samba took a while to settle. By the time he did, we were 2 down. Snod's petulance on being subbed was unnecessary. The Bruce substitutions were bemusing. Moving Hogan to right wing in the 1st half was strange, Grealish coming on with Samba going up front and Hutton going to centre back and Adomah left back was even stranger. Adomah in playing the whole match should have been moved to right wing where he would have had some hope of crossing a ball. Instead on the left, he couldn't beat his man or cross, so the ball would go back to Hutton to cross, something he had difficulty in doing when playing on the right, never mind the left. All very strange! Still in the mix for the playoffs. Today's game was all about catch-up, which we never quite managed. I fear todays game could reflect our chances of catching up the auto promotion places.
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I can't stand Terry, but he's going to be a loss to the side. And if folks still don't like him they're fully entitled to say so.
Well said
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies? Hi
Ray Graydon running down the wing, then a good old carry on film, great.
Are you trying to be ironic or just an idiot? Are you really sure about your posts?
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His team selection tells you all about Bruce. Hogan has come on in the last few games at various times and produced absolutely nothing, not all the players fault he just doesn't fit in with the way we play but Bruce in his wisdom elects to give him a start and most of the game with the obvious result absolutely nothing.
Grealish should have come on before O'Hare he livened us up, Samba in defence I hold my breath.
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Why was manor road chippy closed, disgrace.
Because the 'fat bold(sic) bloke' who watched all the game with his top off got there just before you and bought and ate all their stock!
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Trying to picture it from Bruce's perspective
The team was playing off the back of arguably their best performance of the season
Injuries meant he had a selection dilemma, and he thought that a team high on confidence could get the best out of a striker who has not got going in claret and blue since joining.
If Hogan bags, it's a great selection.
If he doesn't, and Villa lose, then it's the situation we currently see now.
When i saw the lineup i did worry we wouldn't have enough in midfield. I was kind of expecting them to sit deep and therefore we'd need someone who could shoot and score
There appears to be little cohesion with Hogan and the rest of the team: even when warming up, there's no camaraderie. It's almost like they don't like each other.
My thoughts on the game....it was one of those where nothing came off for us, the ball bounced in Wednesday's favour time and again. I found the repeated groans from the crowd a bit dispiriting also....why can't we just get behind them
We have to move on and put this behind us.
Losing Terry is a big blow, as it's not just losing an inspirational player, it also moves Chester to the left, where he appears less comfortable.
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On Terrys injury we have 3 senior CBs to come in Samba / Elphick / Richards ...between them they must be on 100k a week and i don't think any of them are a viable option ...
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I saved money. I travelled 200+ miles. I spent my day off work away from my family to watch the Villa. I came home disappointed.
I won't comment anymore, for fear of being labeled as someone who only comes on to "celebrate a defeat".
UTV
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I saved money. I travelled 200+ miles. I spent my day off work away from my family to watch the Villa. I came home disappointed.
I won't comment anymore, for fear of being labeled as someone who only comes on to "celebrate a defeat".
UTV
I can't say I agree with every post but there is nothing wrong with that one.
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On Terrys injury we have 3 senior CBs to come in Samba / Elphick / Richards ...between them they must be on 100k a week and i don't think any of them are a viable option ...
watching Richards "play" at centre half should come with an age restriction warning
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On Terrys injury we have 3 senior CBs to come in Samba / Elphick / Richards ...between them they must be on 100k a week and i don't think any of them are a viable option ...
yep. scary really.
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I'm not to fussed about the defeat, they happen and I think we'll bounce back in our next few games again.
The worrying thing though, was once again we looked devoid of ideas on how to get back into a game once conceeding first, Bruce has found a formula recently to get us picking up results which is to his credit, his next step has to be to sort that mentality out, there has been too many games like it were we conceed and never look slightly like getting back into it. Only then can we think about automatic promotion.
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I'm not to fussed about the defeat, they happen and I think we'll bounce back in our next few games again.
The worrying thing though, was once again we looked devoid of ideas on how to get back into a game once conceeding first, Bruce has found a formula recently to get us picking up results which is to his credit, his next step has to be to sort that mentality out, there has been too many games like it were we conceed and never look slightly like getting back into it. Only then can we think about automatic promotion.
We'll bounce back, have a few draws, lose a couple and then our season will be down to a shoot out.
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2 injuries and a worldy after 20 seconds. Just one of those days.
Have a beer, distract yourself and cheer the fuck up.
As seen on twitter.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
That's what I couldn't really understand. I thought we would be playing Hogan pushed right up and looking for flick ons from Davis and through balls from the space he created. Instead, he spent a lot of the game dropping off into deeper positions which he isn't suited to at all. If he was instructed to do that, then why not go with O'Hare or Grealish from the start who actually play in that position?
Also, his substitutions seem to be becoming a big of a concern. I still can't quite work out how we ended up with Hogan at left wing against Blues and again it all seemed a bit bizarre. When Snodgrass went off, he had a few options, but decided to stick Hogan out on the wing and bring O'Hare on just off Davis. Come out for the second half, Hogan is back up front and O'Hare has been shifted out to the wing. It just seems all a bit of a panic a and no real thought process going into it.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
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Trouble is Hogan just doesn’t fit. Hrcshould have played Jedinak today Instead of Hogan. Goals from midfield have been our staple this year.
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Special mention at this time of year for most of the Sheffield Wednesday team doing their best impersonations of the Battle of Somme in the second half.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
Playing two up front leaves us far too weak in central midfield, a weakness that the better sides in the division will exploit and have done so already.
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I'm not to fussed about the defeat, they happen and I think we'll bounce back in our next few games again.
The worrying thing though, was once again we looked devoid of ideas on how to get back into a game once conceeding first, Bruce has found a formula recently to get us picking up results which is to his credit, his next step has to be to sort that mentality out, there has been too many games like it were we conceed and never look slightly like getting back into it. Only then can we think about automatic promotion.
I’m fussed. Very fussed in fact. We couldn’t bounce back from an early blow and looked worse than average against an average team. It’s a worry if we want to get out of this poxy league.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
You continue to make decisions that undermine a squad that should be close to dominating this league.
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Special mention at this time of year for most of the Sheffield Wednesday team doing their best impersonations of the Battle of Somme in the second half.
And the referee who was blowing out of his arse taking every chance to have a break each time they hit the deck.
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I can't deny I'm not happy I won't see John Terry in a Villa shirt for a while
I read that as you are unhappy you won't see Terry playing for us. So you like him...?!!
An utterly abysmal performance. Too many negatives to list them all but our midfield was outplayed - outnumbered and were less mobile than Wednesday.. Adomah tried a few runs early on, was nullified and then seemed to lose it. To his credit he kept plugging away. Davis was completely outmuscled and dominated from start to finish and Hogan was anonymous. Minor praise for being the least shit players goes to Hutton and Chester. Grealish also looked better than the rest when he came on.
I have been hoping Bruce would try Hogan with Davis as I think Hogan can only play alongside a big striker. They had no service and looked like two strangers today, but I think Hogan would look like a stranger at his own birthday party. It just ain't working.
Finally, from the north stand, which I dislike, the atmosphere was very very poor. Wednesday fans were excellent.
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. Snodgrass wins the award for most petulant substitution since Nicky Shorey at Fulham in 2009.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
That's what I couldn't really understand. I thought we would be playing Hogan pushed right up and looking for flick ons from Davis and through balls from the space he created. Instead, he spent a lot of the game dropping off into deeper positions which he isn't suited to at all. If he was instructed to do that, then why not go with O'Hare or Grealish from the start who actually play in that position?
Also, his substitutions seem to be becoming a big of a concern. I still can't quite work out how we ended up with Hogan at left wing against Blues and again it all seemed a bit bizarre. When Snodgrass went off, he had a few options, but decided to stick Hogan out on the wing and bring O'Hare on just off Davis. Come out for the second half, Hogan is back up front and O'Hare has been shifted out to the wing. It just seems all a bit of a panic a and no real thought process going into it.
As much as it's easy to criticise Bruce, it kind of made sense to give Hogan a go today. At home, Kodjia out, two wide men selected and Davis next to him to play off. But Hogan truly was hopeless. Also it's clear that against any reasonable opposition that we can't play a standard 442. So Hogan may soon struggle to make the bench when Kodjia comes back in as it will either be Davis or Kodjia up front.
Today was a strange one, early goal was a cracker but the team looked horribly one paced trying to get back into it. Onomoahs mobility was badly missed. Davis and Adamoah were well held. We badly needed a tactical reshape but were two subs down at that point and options with the likes of Hogan and Whelan left on were limited.
Subs hardly helped matters though at least Grealish looked lively.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
That's what I couldn't really understand. I thought we would be playing Hogan pushed right up and looking for flick ons from Davis and through balls from the space he created. Instead, he spent a lot of the game dropping off into deeper positions which he isn't suited to at all. If he was instructed to do that, then why not go with O'Hare or Grealish from the start who actually play in that position?
Also, his substitutions seem to be becoming a big of a concern. I still can't quite work out how we ended up with Hogan at left wing against Blues and again it all seemed a bit bizarre. When Snodgrass went off, he had a few options, but decided to stick Hogan out on the wing and bring O'Hare on just off Davis. Come out for the second half, Hogan is back up front and O'Hare has been shifted out to the wing. It just seems all a bit of a panic a and no real thought process going into it.
As much as it's easy to criticise Bruce, it kind of made sense to give Hogan a go today. At home, Kodjia out, two wide men selected and Davis next to him to play off. But Hogan truly was hopeless. Also it's clear that against any reasonable opposition that we can't play a standard 442. So Hogan may soon struggle to make the bench when Kodjia comes back in as it will either be Davis or Kodjia up front.
Hogan has never played with or benefitted from playing off a big man, play him on the shoulder of the last man with the advanced midfielders getting balls through to him otherwise he is pretty much redundant.
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Your attacking midfielder who had a fine game three days ago is unable to play today due to injury. Do you replace him with:
a. A talented attacking midfielder who has recently recovered from injury and is an ideal like-for-like replacement?
b. A talented young lad from the reserves who scored a hat-trick earlier this week and who knows how to link with your main striker, as he has played numerous games with him at age-limited levels?
c. A striker who has scored one goal since January and has looked something of a misfit, despite costing a very large fee?
Your name is Steve Bruce. What do you do next?
That's what I couldn't really understand. I thought we would be playing Hogan pushed right up and looking for flick ons from Davis and through balls from the space he created. Instead, he spent a lot of the game dropping off into deeper positions which he isn't suited to at all. If he was instructed to do that, then why not go with O'Hare or Grealish from the start who actually play in that position?
Also, his substitutions seem to be becoming a big of a concern. I still can't quite work out how we ended up with Hogan at left wing against Blues and again it all seemed a bit bizarre. When Snodgrass went off, he had a few options, but decided to stick Hogan out on the wing and bring O'Hare on just off Davis. Come out for the second half, Hogan is back up front and O'Hare has been shifted out to the wing. It just seems all a bit of a panic a and no real thought process going into it.
As much as it's easy to criticise Bruce, it kind of made sense to give Hogan a go today. At home, Kodjia out, two wide men selected and Davis next to him to play off. But Hogan truly was hopeless. Also it's clear that against any reasonable opposition that we can't play a standard 442. So Hogan may soon struggle to make the bench when Kodjia comes back in as it will either be Davis or Kodjia up front.
Today was a strange one, early goal was a cracker but the team looked horribly one paced trying to get back into it. Onomoahs mobility was badly missed. Davis and Adamoah were well held. We badly needed a tactical reshape but were two subs down at that point and options with the likes of Hogan and Whelan left on were limited.
Subs hardly helped matters though at least Grealish looked lively.
Agree with pretty much all of that. It wasn't the selection of Hogan that bothered me, it was the positions that he took up that did. He looked like he wad playing in the "number 10" role, which most people who have seen him play would say he is not suited to at all. Now he might have been told to play that way, or he might have taken it on himself to drop deeper and look for work. If it was the former then it I was a questionable decision seeing as Grealish and O'Hare were on the bench.
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Wednesday deserve a lot of credit for that performance today. They picked us apart at will first half and like us at Preston, 2nd half they restricted us without having to get out of second gear. Shame they have so many Oscar nominees in their side. Absolutely shameless twats.
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The simulation in this league, which always used to be held up as a bastion of honest, physical football, is appalling. Shame the officiating is equally woeful.
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
The BEEB said he was substituted as his rib injury had reoccurred so may be he was just expressing his disappointment @ that
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies? Hi
Ray Graydon running down the wing, then a good old carry on film, great.
Are you trying to be ironic or just an idiot? Are you really sure about your posts?
aren't people allowed to have a laugh? A character? A personality? I think you rather us be undereducated zombies.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies? Hi
Ray Graydon running down the wing, then a good old carry on film, great.
Are you trying to be ironic or just an idiot? Are you really sure about your posts?
aren't people allowed to have a laugh? A character? A personality? I think you rather us be undereducated zombies.
*Bald. Unless he was very forward.
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
He didn’t look injured and if not, I thought the change could have waited a few minutes until half time.
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Not many birds in the Sheffield Wednesday crowd, the nearest to a pair of boobs was the fat bold bloke who watched the whole game with his top off.
How is the seventies? Hi
Ray Graydon running down the wing, then a good old carry on film, great.
Are you trying to be ironic or just an idiot? Are you really sure about your posts?
aren't people allowed to have a laugh? A character? A personality? I think you rather us be undereducated zombies.
That is very unfair, Jameson has been a big advocate for equality in education for zombies.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
Playing two up front leaves us far too weak in central midfield, a weakness that the better sides in the division will exploit and have done so already.
Its not playing with 2 wide players who both hug the touchline that leaves us weak in the middle.
Bruce eventually spotted it yesterday but totally undermined the decision by the way he then messed around with Hogan and O'Hare. Arguably (the appalling) adomah should have the been the one to go off as well.
The timing wasn't great either. He should have done it 10 minutes earlier or left out until half time.
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
He didn’t look injured and if not, I thought the change could have waited a few minutes until half time.
He was stood with hands on knees and obviously in pain not long before he was taken off.
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Samba, Elphick or Richards...we're f****d
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
He didn’t look injured and if not, I thought the change could have waited a few minutes until half time.
He was stood with hands on knees and obviously in pain not long before he was taken off.
I didn't think he looked injured at the time either purely because he seemed surprised to be subbed so I must have missed what you saw.
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What was the issue with Snodgrass substitution and his attitude when coming off?
He didn’t look injured and if not, I thought the change could have waited a few minutes until half time.
He was stood with hands on knees and obviously in pain not long before he was taken off.
I didn't think he looked injured at the time either purely because he seemed surprised to be subbed so I must have missed what you saw.
I only saw it because someone next to me pointed it out, as the ball was on the other side of the field.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
Playing two up front leaves us far too weak in central midfield, a weakness that the better sides in the division will exploit and have done so already.
Its not playing with 2 wide players who both hug the touchline that leaves us weak in the middle.
Bruce eventually spotted it yesterday but totally undermined the decision by the way he then messed around with Hogan and O'Hare. Arguably (the appalling) adomah should have the been the one to go off as well.
The timing wasn't great either. He should have done it 10 minutes earlier or left out until half time.
I'm sorry mate, but I'm not sure about that one. Playing two 'touchline hugging' wingers will surely only leave us more exposed in the middle?
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Looking back, after about 20 mins he received a well hit cross field ball with his chest and was really struggling. It happened right by us in the Doug Ellis. I thought he’d got the ball where it hurst most but it was clearly right at the area that he’s got the injury. Bruce must have seen it and made the decision.
Playing Hogan was a huge mistake for me. Single guy up front and and pick someone to play in place of Odomah and we’d have been much better.
For me, Taylor comes back into the side also. Play Hutton or De Laat on the right.
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Hogan has never played with or benefitted from playing off a big man, play him on the shoulder of the last man with the advanced midfielders getting balls through to him otherwise he is pretty much redundant.
Absolutely. And as Bruce never seems to play that way, something of an idiotic purchase. Not Hogan's fault.
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Why was manor road chippy closed, disgrace.
Because the 'fat bold(sic) bloke' who watched all the game with his top off got there just before you and bought and ate all their stock!
I was disappointed more than the result. I was looking forward to the villa special, mini fish and chips sausage and curry sauce.
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Ahem....coughs politely.
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Ahem....coughs politely.
Anyone know how Preston got on yesterday? <winky thing>
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Ahem....coughs politely.
Anyone know how Preston got on yesterday? <winky thing>
Conceded 5 goals in the past two games and lost again. Coughs politely.
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Hogan has never played with or benefitted from playing off a big man, play him on the shoulder of the last man with the advanced midfielders getting balls through to him otherwise he is pretty much redundant.
Absolutely. And as Bruce never seems to play that way, something of an idiotic purchase. Not Hogan's fault.
Absolutely begs the question why the hell spend all that money?
He looked seriously pissed when he was shoved out to the right when Snodgrass went off!
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I think we can count ourselves unlucky to a certain degree; already missing a couple of key players we then a brilliant one in hundred goal in the first few seconds followed by an injury to our most important defender and another goal almost immediately afterwards before we had reorganised. Results elsewhere show that we are not alone in finding it difficult and that predictions for Maybare a little futile in October and November.
The disappointing thing was the failure to impose ourselves consistently after that. We had a go for 10 minutes after half time but couldn’t sustain it. The international break has come at just the right time.
I think it is probably time to accept that Hogan is not going to make it here, use him to raise some money for a January replacement. The explanations being put forward for his lack of contributions are looking less convincing with each appearance and we just do not have the time to persevere.
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I tend to agree that there is not much point in persevering with Hogan, but not because of Hogan's "lack of contribution". The explanations for that seem to me not only convincing but blindingly obvious He got goals for Brentford by being played in a certain system that played to his strengths, a system that Bruce never seems to employ and apparently never intends to. So why should it be any surprise he can't reproduce his Brentford form? We may as well put Johnstone or Hutton up front if we are going to insist on putting square pegs in round holes and expect them to perform like round pegs. It seems apparent that Bruce and/or the scouts had no idea what kind of system would suit Hogan and that they signed him purely on his goalscoring record. Which is rank bad management.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
Playing two up front leaves us far too weak in central midfield, a weakness that the better sides in the division will exploit and have done so already.
Its not playing with 2 wide players who both hug the touchline that leaves us weak in the middle.
Bruce eventually spotted it yesterday but totally undermined the decision by the way he then messed around with Hogan and O'Hare. Arguably (the appalling) adomah should have the been the one to go off as well.
The timing wasn't great either. He should have done it 10 minutes earlier or left out until half time.
I'm sorry mate, but I'm not sure about that one. Playing two 'touchline hugging' wingers will surely only leave us more exposed in the middle?
apologies - typo
agreed - it is playing 2 wide that's the problem
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I disagree. Villa wingers looked terrific on Wed against PNE. It should have been a rout, but the supply dried up and the goals with it.
My “polite cough” wasn’t a comment on Villa’s result, rather it was a nod to say let’s not get carried away with one result which is what I felt happened on Wednesday after a 2-0 win against a side in very poor form Villa should be walking away with this league given the resources available. Recruitment policy needs to be looked at. Who is making the decision to recruit. There is no doubt, for example, tbat John Terry is a very comeptant player, but £60K a week? His signing was a marquee signing that had little to do with improving results. It seems to me that this side comprises a group of talented individuals, but a team they are not.
By the way, why am I on this forum? Well firstly I’ve been watching Villa for around 15 years now and attend, via the kind offices of various Villa friends, fairly regularly (It’s a lot nearer than Deepdale!). Secondly, it’s a football forum for the discussion of football related issues and sharing of opinions. It’s always interesting to hear from other fans. Would be nice for members to be a little more open minded and welcoming. Thanks
Coyw and utv.
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I tend to agree that there is not much point in persevering with Hogan, but not because of Hogan's "lack of contribution". The explanations for that seem to me not only convincing but blindingly obvious He got goals for Brentford by being played in a certain system that played to his strengths, a system that Bruce never seems to employ and apparently never intends to. So why should it be any surprise he can't reproduce his Brentford form? We may as well put Johnstone or Hutton up front if we are going to insist on putting square pegs in round holes and expect them to perform like round pegs. It seems apparent that Bruce and/or the scouts had no idea what kind of system would suit Hogan and that they signed him purely on his goalscoring record. Which is rank bad management.
So then whats easier to fix sell Hogan make a loss and try and replace or replace Bruce ..
Going further we where left shopping at poundland this window ( Terry's wages aside ) in large part due to the squandering of money in Jan.Hogan is not alone in being a Bruce signing in January struggling to make an impression now ..Bree for example seems an utter waste of time given the RB cover we had at the time
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
Playing two up front leaves us far too weak in central midfield, a weakness that the better sides in the division will exploit and have done so already.
Its not playing with 2 wide players who both hug the touchline that leaves us weak in the middle.
Bruce eventually spotted it yesterday but totally undermined the decision by the way he then messed around with Hogan and O'Hare. Arguably (the appalling) adomah should have the been the one to go off as well.
The timing wasn't great either. He should have done it 10 minutes earlier or left out until half time.
I'm sorry mate, but I'm not sure about that one. Playing two 'touchline hugging' wingers will surely only leave us more exposed in the middle?
apologies - typo
agreed - it is playing 2 wide that's the problem
No probs mate, I was wondering! Playing two wide and two up front is going to leave us exposed a bit in central midfield. I suppose it is less of an issue if you have two players in there who can cover the ground, but Hourihane and Whelan can’t really.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
3 of which he bought himself less than a year ago. His record of buying olayers at VP has been poor.
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Play Hogan in the Micheal Owen role , he can not play the Peter Beardsley .
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Play Hogan in the Micheal Owen role , he can not play the Peter Beardsley .
Yes, he's nowhere near ugly enough.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
It was also just a report. There's a good chance it's not true.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
It was also just a report. There's a good chance it's not true.
But either way we wouldn't really miss any of those as they have no beneficial impact on the way we play. Which isn't the best seeing as you spent a Championship fortune on them.
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Davis very slow in responding around the 6 yard box.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
“We” purchased them. The recruitment and retention policy is likely to continue in a similar way whoever is manager if Wyness and Round are to be believed.
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
I don't know, why didn't you start it earlier?
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I'd forgot about that chant tbh. Then some lads bless em started it.
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Can someone explain what Davis contributes? He seems far to slow to react to situations and his decision making (when and where to run etc) leaves a lot to be desired. I just don't get the hype.
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Didn't see the game yesterday but i think for his age and experience he's been largely excellent so far. He's one of those 'effective' players that seem to bring out the best in others, a bit like Jedinak. Not particularly pretty but difficult to play against and useful to the team. I also think he looks pretty good in the air.
We have had a number of youngsters over the past 20 years or so that looked really good and stood still or went backwards, the latest being Grealish. I hope he continues to improve.
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Logan's goose is cooked for me. I'd ship him out January.
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Better get rid of him before he's thirty and gets executed.
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Better get rid of him before he's thirty and gets executed.
Logan's run in the team hasn't been very impressive.
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Did anyone see Logan's Run on Saturday?
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Better get rid of him before he's thirty and gets executed.
Logan's run in the team hasn't been very impressive.
We could have a forward line of Gabby Logan
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
of course why. There quite few people chanting yer dirty northern bastards.
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
of course why. There quite few people chanting yer dirty northern bastards.
Nothing much. I just find you offensive and ignorant.
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You're not alone.
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
of course why. There quite few people chanting yer dirty northern bastards.
Nothing much. I just find you offensive and ignorant.
did you ever enter a football ground pre Premier league?
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
of course why. There quite few people chanting yer dirty northern bastards.
Nothing much. I just find you offensive and ignorant.
did you ever enter a football ground pre Premier league?
Since 1980. Any more questions?
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
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Why did it take 49 minutes to start the 'yer dirty northern bastards' chant on r1. I think the fatty took up a lot of the attention.
Are you for real?
of course why. There quite few people chanting yer dirty northern bastards.
Nothing much. I just find you offensive and ignorant.
did you ever enter a football ground pre Premier league?
Since 1980. Any more questions?
what are you offend by? If you been going since the 80s then you shouldn't be offended. Or have you always Sat in executive boxes?
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
no wind up.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored, or sad.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored.
in their world people like us don't exist, that's why they think we're just a wind up.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored, or sad.
Wise words.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored, or sad.
Wise words.
Indeed they are.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored.
in their world people like us don't exist, that's why they think we're just a wind up.
People like what exactly?
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored.
in their world people like us don't exist, that's why they think we're just a wind up.
People like what exactly?
the working man who like to have a laugh and a pint at football on Saturdays.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
Me neither. Bree and Lansbury can't get in the squad at the moment (though the latter is recovering from injury) and it looks increasingly like it just isn't going to happen for Hogan.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
“We” purchased them. The recruitment and retention policy is likely to continue in a similar way whoever is manager if Wyness and Round are to be believed.
None of them have established themselves as first choice players, and all except Grealish were signed under Bruce's tenure. I can only imagine that either Bruce wanted them in but doesn't know what to do with them, or has realised they aren't as good as he thought. Or else he didn't have the final say on signing them and perhaps never wanted them and they were Round and Wyness influenced signings. The latter would indicate a mismatch between what Bruce wants and what Round and Wyness are doing. Even without FFP restrictions it's beyond daft if we have either of those situations wasting our money.
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#booze #ladz #bantz #ladzbantz
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When teams press us, fast and hard, we have not got the guile within the team, or the speed to get the ball into advantageous positions, every defeat this season has seen teams work us out very quickly, stick to their plan as they know we will not alter things enough to change the outcome.
Please no one mention, "But in the second half we had them on the back foot", just as we did at Preston, the foot came of the accelerator and they cruised to a Villa park win.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
Bree's only 19 for goodness sake and clearly has potential gotta give him at least another 12 months.
Me neither. Bree and Lansbury can't get in the squad at the moment (though the latter is recovering from injury) and it looks increasingly like it just isn't going to happen for Hogan.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
It would be absolute madness to "offload" Grealish and Bree.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
Well he purchased 3 of those for something not far off £20m less than 1 year ago. If it was my money I would not be happy with him at all.
Bree's only 19 for goodness sake and clearly has potential gotta give him at least another 12 months.
Me neither. Bree and Lansbury can't get in the squad at the moment (though the latter is recovering from injury) and it looks increasingly like it just isn't going to happen for Hogan.
Agree and just surmising, but I just wonder if he wants to offer Hutton and Elmo new deals and thinks (or has been told) that he needs to offload one of the other right-backs in the squad first.
I must admit that I was surprised to see Bree and Lansbury being linked with moves away to be honest.
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Read a report this morning saying he's looking to offload Hogan, Bree, Lansbury and Grealish.
It would be absolute madness to "offload" Grealish and Bree.
The only bright spot for me on Saturday was the return of Grealish. He looked a cut above every other attacking player on the pitch. It’d be mental to sell him, not that I think we are though.
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Lansbury is shit. I hope that bit is true
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I think we can count ourselves unlucky to a certain degree; already missing a couple of key players we then a brilliant one in hundred goal in the first few seconds followed by an injury to our most important defender and another goal almost immediately afterwards before we had reorganised. Results elsewhere show that we are not alone in finding it difficult and that predictions for Maybare a little futile in October and November.
The disappointing thing was the failure to impose ourselves consistently after that. We had a go for 10 minutes after half time but couldn’t sustain it. The international break has come at just the right time.
I think it is probably time to accept that Hogan is not going to make it here, use him to raise some money for a January replacement. The explanations being put forward for his lack of contributions are looking less convincing with each appearance and we just do not have the time to persevere.
This seems a fair and accurate to me. The failure for us to impose ourselves was, I think, self inflicted.
As my wife pointed out, Bruce sees the same game we do but then has a brain freeze when it comes to sorting it out.
The timing of the 1st substitution followed by constant chopping and changing of who was playing where certainly didn't help: O'hare and Hogan doing some sort of total football rotation leading to the final Lambertesque Bradford bit of comedy gold when we ended up playing with Samba up front along with Hutton and Adomah out of position was just farcical.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
I haven’t been moaning at him for playing 1 up at home, in fact I’d prefer it if we kept it at 1 up front for all games. What’s the point in agitating for a 2 up front little man big man combo when it’s proven to not work as our midfield isn’t athletic or creative enough to compete with only 2 in the middle of the pitch.
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Clueless absolutely clueless, from the Manager to the players. Why oh why oh why change a winning formation. Handed the freedom of Villa Park to the Wednesday midfield by playing 4-4-2. Oh and that right back had Adomah in his pocket, I’d imagine Albert has only just got out! Dear oh dear.
We’ve been moaning at him to stop playing one up front at home. When he doesn’t he gets criticised. We missed Josh’s energy today and I doubt he would’ve changed it if it hadn’t been for his injury. Fcukin injuries piss me off.
I haven’t been moaning at him for playing 1 up at home, in fact I’d prefer it if we kept it at 1 up front for all games. What’s the point in agitating for a 2 up front little man big man combo when it’s proven to not work as our midfield isn’t athletic or creative enough to compete with only 2 in the middle of the pitch.
Agreed
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Bruce fucked up playing two in midfield on Saturday, especially when one of the two was a 33 year old who'd already played two games that week. They had far far too much space in the middle in the first half.
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Have you considered the possibility that, maybe just maybe rim gk is perhaps on a wind up?
And if he was, what would be the point in that? Surely people are not that bored.
in their world people like us don't exist, that's why they think we're just a wind up.
People like what exactly?
the working man who like to have a laugh and a pint at football on Saturdays.
I work, I had a few pints on Saturday and I had a laugh with some very decent folk in the pub before and after.
Yet I didn't feel the need to spend the game chanting about northern bastards and staring at a fat bloke's moobs.
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You're obviously not a proper fan like Rimmsy.
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Bruce fucked up playing two in midfield on Saturday, especially when one of the two was a 33 year old who'd already played two games that week. They had far far too much space in the middle in the first half.
It was quite clear what they were doing when they had the ball - one of their strikers dropped deep (or occasionally one of the wide players pushed inside) to make a midfield three, meaning Whelan and Hourihane were always outnumbered in there. I honestly can't recall anyone getting near enough to Bannan to tackle him all game.
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Bruce fucked up playing two in midfield on Saturday, especially when one of the two was a 33 year old who'd already played two games that week. They had far far too much space in the middle in the first half.
It was quite clear what they were doing when they had the ball - one of their strikers dropped deep (or occasionally one of the wide players pushed inside) to make a midfield three, meaning Whelan and Hourihane were always outnumbered in there. I honestly can't recall anyone getting near enough to Bannan to tackle him all game.
That sounds suspiciously like 'tactics' and 'game management' to me; haven't seen that around B6 for several years ....
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Bruce fucked up playing two in midfield on Saturday, especially when one of the two was a 33 year old who'd already played two games that week. They had far far too much space in the middle in the first half.
It was quite clear what they were doing when they had the ball - one of their strikers dropped deep (or occasionally one of the wide players pushed inside) to make a midfield three, meaning Whelan and Hourihane were always outnumbered in there. I honestly can't recall anyone getting near enough to Bannan to tackle him all game.
That sounds suspiciously like 'tactics' and 'game management' to me; haven't seen that around B6 for several years ....
I beg to differ mate - we see it all the time at B6! Just not from the management of the team playing in claret and blue! >:(
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Bruce fucked up playing two in midfield on Saturday, especially when one of the two was a 33 year old who'd already played two games that week. They had far far too much space in the middle in the first half.
It was quite clear what they were doing when they had the ball - one of their strikers dropped deep (or occasionally one of the wide players pushed inside) to make a midfield three, meaning Whelan and Hourihane were always outnumbered in there. I honestly can't recall anyone getting near enough to Bannan to tackle him all game.
That sounds suspiciously like 'tactics' and 'game management' to me; haven't seen that around B6 for several years ....
I beg to differ mate - we see it all the time at B6! Just not from the management of the team playing in claret and blue! >:(
You're right, of course!
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Lansbury is shit. I hope that bit is true
True dat.
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I can't be arsed with pulling the game apart but Terry will be a big miss. We have to keep in touch to New Year and then use the Amavi money to beef out the squad with a couple of players (ideally a decent central defender and another target man striker). If we have the cash to take Woods off Brentford then pony up. Or swap him for Hogan.
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you could of posted the script of the game before Saturday
bannan controls game
bannan in acres of space
bannan pinging ball about with no villa player near him
then repeat for any away team with player with a bit of nous about him
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you could of posted the script of the game before Saturday
bannan controls game
bannan in acres of space
bannan pinging ball about with no villa player near him
then repeat for any away team with player with a bit of nous about him
Bannan performs as an Ashley Westwood mini-me.
It was all easy passing the ball about around the half way line because they had the comfort of that freak start. If he was doing that for us he would have half the crowd screaming at him.
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you could of posted the script of the game before Saturday
bannan controls game
bannan in acres of space
bannan pinging ball about with no villa player near him
then repeat for any away team with player with a bit of nous about him
Bannan performs as an Ashley Westwood mini-me.
It was all easy passing the ball about around the half way line because they had the comfort of that freak start. If he was doing that for us he would have half the crowd screaming at him.
Bruce seems to, like you, think that letting a player like that have all the time and space they like on the halfway line isn't anything to worry about but we very rarely win games when a player does that job reasonably well so maybe the territorial advantage it gives teams actually does impact the game. I agree that a lot of Villa fans would be screaming at a player for doing that but they're the same sort of people who think that winning games and playing good/effective football are separate things so we should just ignore the latter because we can't afford to lose games. Everyone can have an opinion, that's fine, it doesn't mean they're all equally valid though and, in my opinion, people who shout "get it forward" after 4-5 passes in midfield have no idea how the game works and are the reason that morons like Owen and Shearer can be paid to be 'experts'.
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bannan did have half the crowd screaming at him when he was with us, only difference was that with sheff weds he had players running into space which when with us he didn't.
every ball seemed to drop to a weds player which wasn't by chance
I said to the guy sat next to me in upper holte that Snodgrass don't run into space because he hasn't got the pace and adomah does not seem to have the know how skill call it what you like to actually beat a full back
we don't have a player on the pitch that has the nous that a bannan does until jack came on
I honestly think we been kidding ourselves that the team is functioning but unless he finds a way to find a place for those two players I think we going to struggle without kodjia in the team
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the other player I missed out which should be in is callum o hare
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you could of posted the script of the game before Saturday
bannan controls game
bannan in acres of space
bannan pinging ball about with no villa player near him
then repeat for any away team with player with a bit of nous about him
Bannan played well against us on Boxing Day at Villa Park for Palace 4 years ago. And that was under Pulis!
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You're obviously not a proper fan like Rimmsy.
Rimmsy Coresackof aka Nick the Knife? Diamond geezer who loved a bit of orchestrated mayhem back in the day.
Drinks in the Bacchus Bar before home games and we often share a taxi to the ground.
He has gone wrong in his mental tank in recent years and often tries to start chants based on the surreal telly vizeeon program the Mighty Boosh on coaches to away games about Shamans and such.
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you could of posted the script of the game before Saturday
bannan controls game
bannan in acres of space
bannan pinging ball about with no villa player near him
then repeat for any away team with player with a bit of nous about him
Bannan performs as an Ashley Westwood mini-me.
It was all easy passing the ball about around the half way line because they had the comfort of that freak start. If he was doing that for us he would have half the crowd screaming at him.
Are you forgetting his contribution to their second goal? Very Scottish Messi.