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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Deano's Mullet on October 19, 2017, 05:00:54 AM
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A history of the fixture is on Sky Sports next Tuesday I believe. Whether it covers the entire history or simply the Premier League years (because lets face it that was when football was invented in 1992) I don't know. If it is only the Prem I think we'll have to skip the first ten minutes or so! There was an Ipswich-Norwich one on last night.
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Be good if it featured older matches but, as you say, it'll most likely just be since football was invented in 1992 (or 2002 for Small Heath fans). I'll record it and fast-forward through any unpleasant bits.
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Be good if it featured older matches but, as you say, it'll most likely just be since football was invented in 1992 (or 2002 for Small Heath fans). I'll record it and fast-forward through any unpleasant bits.
Watched the Forest v Derby one last week and it showed quite a lot of old footage.
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That sounds promising, then. More interesting than just rehashing the last decade and a half.
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Be good if it featured older matches but, as you say, it'll most likely just be since football was invented in 1992 (or 2002 for Small Heath fans). I'll record it and fast-forward through any unpleasant bits.
So that's the 5-1, Cahill and Gabby to look forward to then.
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Derby v Notts Forest (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11075319/efl-rivalries-east-midlands-derby)
Looks like it goes to pre-historic football.
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Be good to hear Hugh Johns dulcet tones again
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Be good to hear Hugh Johns dulcet tones again
True.
I'm a child again whenever I hear his commentary.
Good times.
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On next Tuesday Sky Football Channel 403 Virgin 503 HD or 513 at 7 pm for 1/2 hour. Would have thought, allowing for the 'pain in the neck adverts', you would need a minimum 1 hour to do it justice, still looking forward to it and thanks Deano for letting us know about it.
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On next Tuesday Sky Football Channel 403 Virgin 503 HD or 513 at 7 pm for 1/2 hour. Would have thought, allowing for the 'pain in the neck adverts', you would need a minimum 1 hour to do it justice, still looking forward to it and thanks Deano for letting us know about it.
Y'welcome
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Be good to hear Hugh Johns dulcet tones again
True.
I'm a child again whenever I hear his commentary.
Good times.
Any mention of Hugh Johns sends me into Ron Manager mode. Big Larry Lloyd, Wee Archie Gemmill, Sid Cowans, Pop Robson. He was also the forgotten 1966 commentator for ITV with Kenneth Wolstenholme on the BBC stealing all the glory.
As for derby games my favourites were the 6-0 in the Simod cup on my eighteenth birthday and the Gary Cahill game as it was a relegation six pointer.
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A history of the fixture is on Sky Sports next Tuesday I believe. Whether it covers the entire history or simply the Premier League years (because lets face it that was when football was invented in 1992) I don't know. If it is only the Prem I think we'll have to skip the first ten minutes or so! There was an Ipswich-Norwich one on last night.
Cheers DM, good call
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I'm away next Tuesday and have no Sky. Is there any way of getting a link or something after it's been shown?
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I'm away next Tuesday and have no Sky. Is there any way of getting a link or something after it's been shown?
Someone from this Parish posted the Paul McGrath programme (youtube link) that was shown on BT Sports the day before.I am hoping the poster and youtube come up trumps again.
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Villa V Scum Heathh has no football traditions , its just about the rivialy and hate between the fans
Whats unique about this rivalry is the bitterness and low levels blues fans sink. They have tried to create racial division in the 80s and 90s between our clubs. Villa's black and Asian fans have suffered the most at blues fans with taunts "you support a racots club" Ive heard it myself.
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They have nothing, whatsoever, to boast about on the pitch so they have to invent off-field "victories" based around class, race or locality.
We have more middle class fans than them, but we also have more working class fans. We have more white fans than them, but we also have more fans from ethnic minorities. We have more fans from further afield than them, but we also have more fans in Birmingham.
Other than a tiny section of Solihull and bits of the A45 corridor, we have more fans everywhere. That's why we play in one of the World's most famous stadia, and they play in a hovel.
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They have nothing, whatsoever, to boast about on the pitch so they have to invent off-field "victories" based around class, race or locality to boast about.
We have more middle class fans than them, but we also have more working class fans. We have more white fans than them, but we also have more fans from ethnic minorities. We have more fans from further afield than them, but we also have more fans in Birmingham.
Other than a tiny section of Solihull and bits of the A45 corridor, we have more fans everywhere. That's why we play in one of the World's most famous stadia, and they play in a hovel.
Top post, plenty of Villa in South Brum, Hall Green, Sheldon even A.G . I knew an old Villa lad for a bit who used to referee in C.Wood and said nearly all the kids used to turn up to the game in Villa tops.
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There are plenty of Villa in The Wood, and here in Yardley, too. It really annoys a lot of noses when I tell them where I'm from. 😁
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Villa V Scum Heathh has no football traditions , its just about the rivialy and hate between the fans
Whats unique about this rivalry is the bitterness and low levels blues fans sink. They have tried to create racial division in the 80s and 90s between our clubs. Villa's black and Asian fans have suffered the most at blues fans with taunts "you support a racots club" Ive heard it myself.
While forgetting that 90% of Birmingham skinheads in the 1978-81 period supported them. So either Birmingham's skinhead scene was uniquely multi-cultural, or round about 1982 they all had a Damascene conversion.
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They have nothing, whatsoever, to boast about on the pitch so they have to invent off-field "victories" based around class, race or locality.
We have more middle class fans than them, but we also have more working class fans. We have more white fans than them, but we also have more fans from ethnic minorities. We have more fans from further afield than them, but we also have more fans in Birmingham.
Other than a tiny section of Solihull and bits of the A45 corridor, we have more fans everywhere. That's why we play in one of the World's most famous stadia, and they play in a hovel.
They have nothing, whatsoever, to boast about on the pitch so they have to invent off-field "victories" based around class, race or locality to boast about.
We have more middle class fans than them, but we also have more working class fans. We have more white fans than them, but we also have more fans from ethnic minorities. We have more fans from further afield than them, but we also have more fans in Birmingham.
Other than a tiny section of Solihull and bits of the A45 corridor, we have more fans everywhere. That's why we play in one of the World's most famous stadia, and they play in a hovel.
Top post, plenty of Villa in South Brum, Hall Green, Sheldon even A.G . I knew an old Villa lad for a bit who used to referee in C.Wood and said nearly all the kids used to turn up to the game in Villa tops.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see if any of their oft repeated myths make it on to there. In truth, it is probably one of the few real derbies in the country where there has been a big gap in terms of the level of the two clubs. Apart from a few years in the top flight, their natural home for some time has been the lower reaches of the second tier and we've only sunk to that level a couple of times in the over 40 years. I started going to the Villa in the mid 80's and by the time I reached my 20's, we'd only been in the same division as them once. I love the way Dean Saunders points that out to Robbie Savage at the 4.40 mark on this video.
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Villa V Scum Heathh has no football traditions , its just about the rivialy and hate between the fans
Whats unique about this rivalry is the bitterness and low levels blues fans sink. They have tried to create racial division in the 80s and 90s between our clubs. Villa's black and Asian fans have suffered the most at blues fans with taunts "you support a racots club" Ive heard it myself.
While forgetting that 90% of Birmingham skinheads in the 1978-81 period supported them. So either Birmingham's skinhead scene was uniquely multi-cultural, or round about 1982 they all had a Damascene conversion.
Only if the Council would pay for it.
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Football wise and in the pitch our main rivalry has to be with olbion Blues fans live in a time warp enough said !
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Villa V Scum Heathh has no football traditions , its just about the rivialy and hate between the fans
Whats unique about this rivalry is the bitterness and low levels blues fans sink. They have tried to create racial division in the 80s and 90s between our clubs. Villa's black and Asian fans have suffered the most at blues fans with taunts "you support a racots club" Ive heard it myself.
While forgetting that 90% of Birmingham skinheads in the 1978-81 period supported them. So either Birmingham's skinhead scene was uniquely multi-cultural, or round about 1982 they all had a Damascene conversion.
Before the Zulus I was told by the few noses round our way that their skinhead mob was called the Apex. I understand it was very much a white mob so no idea how Cuddles and his mates appeared on the scene.
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The Blues in the late 70s was very right wing with the chaps out of the trooper the older lot had a notable lad of colour from Handsworth J**o . Villa had a few black lads in the steamers but the advent of the C Crew seen a really multicultural set of lads who terrorised the right wing Blues .
Cuddles and his family was always Blues so they went on a recruitment drive from the black lads of the ramp who used to get a torrid time from Villa .
They joined up with Cuddles and some other young lads more for the thieving opportunity but became embroiled in the FV side . There was a calculated ploy to call Villa racists and many believed them despite the likes of BD and B and cast of others following Villa .
It was at that time a huge myth as there was stickers up town saying Kill the N******r Danny .
To this day there is still resentment with the older Blues and the influence of Cuddles ect .
Very strange how town tuned from a pretty even if not slightly more Villa to a Blues stronghold by 1984 , arrests .apathy and general moving on from FV within the ranks at Villa was also to blame .
For some of us Town was a very bad place as the Blues lot never forgot . Many of us were attacked on our own and even with wives and girlfriends 1987 seen parity regained by then I was well gone from FV
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Don't know where to put this have just moved to Oz does anyone know where I can see the game in the Sydney or Woolangong area.
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On next Tuesday Sky Football Channel 403 Virgin 503 HD or 513 at 7 pm for 1/2 hour. Would have thought, allowing for the 'pain in the neck adverts', you would need a minimum 1 hour to do it justice, still looking forward to it and thanks Deano for letting us know about it.
>:(, my Sky says Revisita De La Liga. :o.
However, I've just clicked +24 hours, and it seems to be on Wednesday on my telly.
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Mine too. It was on Tuesday. They must have moved it.
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Mine too. It was on Tuesday. They must have moved it.
Should know by now that Villa/sha is always moved.
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The Blues in the late 70s was very right wing with the chaps out of the trooper the older lot had a notable lad of colour from Handsworth J**o . Villa had a few black lads in the steamers but the advent of the C Crew seen a really multicultural set of lads who terrorised the right wing Blues .
Cuddles and his family was always Blues so they went on a recruitment drive from the black lads of the ramp who used to get a torrid time from Villa .
They joined up with Cuddles and some other young lads more for the thieving opportunity but became embroiled in the FV side . There was a calculated ploy to call Villa racists and many believed them despite the likes of BD and B and cast of others following Villa .
It was at that time a huge myth as there was stickers up town saying Kill the N******r Danny .
To this day there is still resentment with the older Blues and the influence of Cuddles ect .
Very strange how town tuned from a pretty even if not slightly more Villa to a Blues stronghold by 1984 , arrests .apathy and general moving on from FV within the ranks at Villa was also to blame .
For some of us Town was a very bad place as the Blues lot never forgot . Many of us were attacked on our own and even with wives and girlfriends 1987 seen parity regained by then I was well gone from FV
I lived in witton in the 80s and so did some of the villa youth of that time. Though they older than me I do know a bit about them, they were giving the racist label by blues, there was a divide with what was going to going on down the blues but not to the extent it was made out by blues. I remember a bit of racist graffiti in witton along side villa graffiti, but that's it. Racist graffiti was common on the south side of the city too. Even about 14years ago I was coming home from work and saw zulu graffiti under a bridge and then a remark about descendants of Pakistan. As villa youth witton they grew up along side a big Asian community in the 80s, I don't remember any problems or tension. Aston park in the 80s had loads of white kids s playing down local and non local. Never any issues.
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... There was some racism down villa in the 80s but racism down blues pre zulu days was more.
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I’ve got to be honest, having more diverse hooligans than Small Heath isn’t high up on my list of reasons to be proud of the Villa.
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When you hate your rivals more than you love your own club - you know something is not right. Its not even historic, a lot of blues remain like that today. Very sad.
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When you hate your rivals more than you love your own club - you know something is not right. Its not even historic, a lot of blues remain like that today. Very sad.
Sad but true
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rim gk with respect you are talking loads of bollocks.
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What am I taking bollox about? As I have made a few posts on this thread.
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The Blues in the late 70s was very right wing with the chaps out of the trooper the older lot had a notable lad of colour from Handsworth J**o . Villa had a few black lads in the steamers but the advent of the C Crew seen a really multicultural set of lads who terrorised the right wing Blues .
Cuddles and his family was always Blues so they went on a recruitment drive from the black lads of the ramp who used to get a torrid time from Villa .
They joined up with Cuddles and some other young lads more for the thieving opportunity but became embroiled in the FV side . There was a calculated ploy to call Villa racists and many believed them despite the likes of BD and B and cast of others following Villa .
It was at that time a huge myth as there was stickers up town saying Kill the N******r Danny .
To this day there is still resentment with the older Blues and the influence of Cuddles ect .
Very strange how town tuned from a pretty even if not slightly more Villa to a Blues stronghold by 1984 , arrests .apathy and general moving on from FV within the ranks at Villa was also to blame .
For some of us Town was a very bad place as the Blues lot never forgot . Many of us were attacked on our own and even with wives and girlfriends 1987 seen parity regained by then I was well gone from FV
A mate of mine was in the Transport Police around that time and they covered the shopping centre and ramp. I remember him telling me about the Zulus but at the time they had no football affiliation and were basically just a gang of petty criminals. Then I started hearing the name a couple of years later associated with the Noses and wondered what the link was. Not my scene at all, much more interested in a few drinks and having a laugh, but still interesting to know how things evolved.
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No point glamourising or judging which team has more/fewer/harder/more diverse/longer lasting/whatever hooligans. It's a horrible element of the sport which is thankfully mostly a thing of the past. To say that Birmingham's are more racist or whatever than ours is a ridiculous notion too. How do you measure that? How do you quantify it? We've all heard mindless racist morons down at Villa, I'm sure there's sadly the same issue as Blues. I don't think it's anything anyone should try point scoring about. Hopefully it's only about what happens on the pitch from now on. Even if I am living in Cloud Cuckooland.
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What am I taking bollox about? As I have made a few posts on this thread.
Apologies may be a bit strong but it’s on your insinuations that somehow Blues are more racist than the Villa. There was lot of racism inside and outside VP directed at “non white” Villa fans by some fellow Villa fans.
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What am I taking bollox about? As I have made a few posts on this thread.
Apologies may be a bit strong but it’s on your insinuations that somehow Blues are more racist than the Villa. There was lot of racism inside and outside VP directed at “non white” Villa fans by some fellow Villa fans.
yes that did happen now again, but not on the scale made out by blues, in fact 70s and 80s it happened at nearly all grounds. Blues Were more racist that villa and other midlands clubs pre zulu days.
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What am I taking bollox about? As I have made a few posts on this thread.
Apologies may be a bit strong but it’s on your insinuations that somehow Blues are more racist than the Villa. There was lot of racism inside and outside VP directed at “non white” Villa fans by some fellow Villa fans.
yes that did happen now again, but not on the scale made out by blues, in fact 70s and 80s it happened at nearly all grounds. Blues Were more racist that villa and other midlands clubs pre zulu days.
This is the pointless kind of point scoring you expect from them. Racism is a part of the game that isn't in the English game to the extent it once was, lets just be thankful for that shall we?
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Our racists are better than their racists.
John Terry 78 England caps.
Lee Bowyer 1.
Take that, Small Heath!
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Our racists are better than their racists.
John Terry 78 England caps.
Lee Bowyer 1.
Take that, Small Heath!
Made me laugh. Just hope that daft racist flag isn’t seen at the shithole the only points the blues will get on Sunday
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Our racists are better than their racists.
John Terry 78 England caps.
Lee Bowyer 1.
Take that, Small Heath!
Made me laugh. Just hope that daft racist flag isn’t seen at the shithole the only points the blues will get on Sunday
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I agree , do you concur with my assessment WW as I think we moved in similar circles a long time ago
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Has it aired yet? - I'm abroad at the moment but would be keen to watch it on my return. Where will it be available on catch-up?
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Tomorrow I think.
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Has it aired yet? - I'm abroad at the moment but would be keen to watch it on my return. Where will it be available on catch-up?
If you have Sky you'll be able to watch it "On Demand". Not sure if it'll end up on Youtube or some such thing for non-subscribers.
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Our racists are better than their racists.
John Terry 78 England caps.
Lee Bowyer 1.
Take that, Small Heath!
Made me laugh. Just hope that daft racist flag isn’t seen at the shithole the only points the blues will get on Sunday
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I agree , do you concur with my assessment WW as I think we moved in similar circles a long time ago
Sunny I have been going the villa now for over 40 years bar when we lived in Aussie
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On next Tuesday Sky Football Channel 403 Virgin 503 HD or 513 at 7 pm for 1/2 hour. Would have thought, allowing for the 'pain in the neck adverts', you would need a minimum 1 hour to do it justice, still looking forward to it and thanks Deano for letting us know about it.
Same time, same Channels just 24 hours later
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The myth about villa being the rich people's club I heard from a Spanish colleague whose partner watched a game at the Sty
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Bless.
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The myth about villa being the rich people's club I heard from a Spanish colleague whose partner watched a game at the Sty
I've a friend who moved to Australia about 15 years ago. She's not a great expert on the game, but most on here would identify her as a Brummie red. Small Heath are her second team.
On one return visit, she took her now-husband to a game at the sty.
He subsequently peddles the same bollocks whenever football comes up.
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The myth about villa being the rich people's club I heard from a Spanish colleague whose partner watched a game at the Sty
I've a friend who moved to Australia about 15 years ago. She's not a great expert on the game, but most on here would identify her as a Brummie red. Small Heath are her second team.
On one return visit, she took her now-husband to a game at the sty.
He subsequently peddles the same bollocks whenever football comes up.
A Brummie Red whose second team is Small Heath, you say?
Who’d have thought it!
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On next Tuesday Sky Football Channel 403 Virgin 503 HD or 513 at 7 pm for 1/2 hour. Would have thought, allowing for the 'pain in the neck adverts', you would need a minimum 1 hour to do it justice, still looking forward to it and thanks Deano for letting us know about it.
Same time, same Channels just 24 hours later
So it's on tomorrow?,
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Correct. 7pm.
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There is no rivalry between the Villa and Small Heath at sporting level as they have neither competed with us for honours not wealth and size. It’s giving them too much credit to state otherwise. Their fans intensely hate us and somehow that’s turned into some sort of clash of equals which it’s not never has been and never will be. They are just an irritant.
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There is no rivalry between the Villa and Small Heath at sporting level as they have neither competed with us for honours not wealth and size. It’s giving them too much credit to state otherwise. Their fans intensely hate us and somehow that’s turned into some sort of clash of equals which it’s not never has been and never will be. They are just an irritant.
Quite right. They're like a bad smell that won't go away.
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There is no rivalry between the Villa and Small Heath at sporting level as they have neither competed with us for honours not wealth and size. It’s giving them too much credit to state otherwise. Their fans intensely hate us and somehow that’s turned into some sort of clash of equals which it’s not never has been and never will be. They are just an irritant.
Quite right. They're like a bad smell that won't go away.
A floater that won't flush.
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The Blues in the late 70s was very right wing with the chaps out of the trooper the older lot had a notable lad of colour from Handsworth J**o . Villa had a few black lads in the steamers but the advent of the C Crew seen a really multicultural set of lads who terrorised the right wing Blues .
Cuddles and his family was always Blues so they went on a recruitment drive from the black lads of the ramp who used to get a torrid time from Villa .
They joined up with Cuddles and some other young lads more for the thieving opportunity but became embroiled in the FV side . There was a calculated ploy to call Villa racists and many believed them despite the likes of BD and B and cast of others following Villa .
It was at that time a huge myth as there was stickers up town saying Kill the N******r Danny .
To this day there is still resentment with the older Blues and the influence of Cuddles ect .
Very strange how town tuned from a pretty even if not slightly more Villa to a Blues stronghold by 1984 , arrests .apathy and general moving on from FV within the ranks at Villa was also to blame .
For some of us Town was a very bad place as the Blues lot never forgot . Many of us were attacked on our own and even with wives and girlfriends 1987 seen parity regained by then I was well gone from FV
I didn't grow up in Birmingham but my dad was one of the leaders of the Steamers back in the day. Growing up and going to the Villa and meeting his old Steamer friends, I didn't see one ounce of racism. There didn't seem to be a lot of Black people in the group but there was never anything untoward that I could see. All were considered Villa and one of us despite their colour.
About 10 years ago I went in the Adventurers after a game for the first time ever (I was always Aston Social) and I did see some people being openly racist to a couple of Black girls that had come in. That's just my experiences of not being from Brum.
No matter where I have been in the world when I have had the misfortune of bumping into a nose, they always seem to be of the knuckledragging type.
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I was born and brought up in London well Ilford to be honest - was surrounded by people supporting all sorts of teams. Luckily there were no blue noses. I loved the rivalry between everyone no matter who they supported (with the possible exception of Man Utd to be honest).
I have gone on to know more than 1 blue nose starting at Uni and can say hand on heart they are not the brightest people I have ever met. They live simple lives believing they are the true working class supporters in the City, they have a potentially bigger fan base and hardly ever talk about themselves, everything is anti. I don't call them supporters because they don't support but are fans.
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I was born and brought up in London well Ilford to be honest - was surrounded by people supporting all sorts of teams. Luckily there were no blue noses. I loved the rivalry between everyone no matter who they supported (with the possible exception of Man Utd to be honest).
I have gone on to know more than 1 blue nose starting at Uni and can say hand on heart they are not the brightest people I have ever met. They live simple lives believing they are the true working class supporters in the City, they have a potentially bigger fan base and hardly ever talk about themselves, everything is anti. I don't call them supporters because they don't support but are fans.
Do you honestly believe all that? You’re not from round here so I suppose it’s partly understandable but just from people I know or have known Blues fans come from the same cross section of society as us, there are just fewer of them. But the old saying about empty vessels means that the ones that get noticed tend to be the dimmest.
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Yes Blues are working class as they all drive out of the city back to Solihull, Dorridge and Knowle. Whoppers.
West Midlands Travel did a map showing the concentration of supporters and season ticket holders drawn for both clubs across the city. They really are a corridor the size of Blackburn on the A45 while we draw heavy support from all over the show.
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I was born and brought up in London well Ilford to be honest - was surrounded by people supporting all sorts of teams. Luckily there were no blue noses. I loved the rivalry between everyone no matter who they supported (with the possible exception of Man Utd to be honest).
I have gone on to know more than 1 blue nose starting at Uni and can say hand on heart they are not the brightest people I have ever met. They live simple lives believing they are the true working class supporters in the City, they have a potentially bigger fan base and hardly ever talk about themselves, everything is anti. I don't call them supporters because they don't support but are fans.
Do you honestly believe all that? You’re not from round here so I suppose it’s partly understandable but just from people I know or have known Blues fans come from the same cross section of society as us, there are just fewer of them. But the old saying about empty vessels means that the ones that get noticed tend to be the dimmest.
I agree that in my experience the two sets of fans come from a similar cross section of the community. We also attract a decent following from outside the city which I suspect is much larger than theirs. So in their tiny minds they convince themselves that they are "more brummie" than us as if it's a competition! As someone said earlier there was a definite "recruitment drive" in the 80's to convince ethnic minorities that we were a racist club. Utter bollox of course but I do think that this is still a perception that some people believe.
We should be used to them having to resort to making up such utter rubbish in their pathetic attempts to get one over on "da voyul" but even after all these years it still grinds my gears. That's why I enjoy beating them so much.
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Yes Blues are working class as they all drive out of the city back to Solihull, Dorridge and Knowle. Whoppers.
West Midlands Travel did a map showing the concentration of supporters and season ticket holders drawn for both clubs across the city. They really are a corridor the size of Blackburn on the A45 while we draw heavy support from all over the show.
Link please?
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It was on here from years ago. Maybe 08/09 era.
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I'd like to annoy Heathens with it. Have tried Google but to no avail.
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Yes Blues are working class as they all drive out of the city back to Solihull, Dorridge and Knowle. Whoppers.
West Midlands Travel did a map showing the concentration of supporters and season ticket holders drawn for both clubs across the city. They really are a corridor the size of Blackburn on the A45 while we draw heavy support from all over the show.
That particular myth always makes me laugh. I always like to ask if they spend much time in the North of the city and have been to places like Great Barr and Kingstanding. Also, the conversations tend to end quite abruptly when it's pointed out that many of their fans are actually from Solihull.
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The myth about villa being the rich people's club I heard from a Spanish colleague whose partner watched a game at the Sty
Here, across the border, it often goes like this:
From which city are Aston Villa from?
Birmingham.
Birmingham? Are there any other teams from Birmingham?
Not really or at least none you would have heard of. We occasionally have a derby against our neighbours but never our rivals.
I honestly believe if we stopped singing about them we'd forget they exist.
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Yeah but then we'd be like Reading. Derby games are fun.
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As the name suggests I'm a native of B44, and have used the odd pub or two round here, Drakes Drum handful of Blues tolerated as they grew up local, Sportsmans Rest, no knowledge of Blues there, Mount never met any, Kingfisher one family local, Golden Hind less than 10, and the gaffer is old C Crew. Maximums/Second City run a combined coach with Great Barr blues fans to every away game.
As for the race issue someone said the Steamers never had many black lads. DC, Big H, spring to mind two who have terrorised Blues for years. The C Crew everyone knows we're multi racial while Blues were still goose stepping in jack boots, now wen the C Crew demised and the Zulus rose a mixture of the hiphop, and mugging culture on the ramp combined with a few black lads from Blues and defectors from Villa, they were the multicultural firm, and the upcoming Villa Youth I would say were 95 percent white.. This gave Blues on their opinion a moral high ground and a racist stick to beat the Villa with,and to create the racist Villa myth. The Villa Hardcore came next again a predominantly white mob with some very good black and Asian lads in it. However with its core coming from Castle Vale, Erdington Etc the support was more likely to be white than mixed, again the Small Heath spin doctors used this to claim the Hardcore were NF, BNP, C18 KKK, any manner of things as they said the Villa Youth was modelled on the Hitler Youth, it is wheeled out regularly that Villa are racist blah blah blah, now I know when the EDL came along it caused problems down Blues amongst the old black lads and the young AG lot who were attending these marches. Blues conveniently re write history to suit what point they are trying to make at any given time.
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They dominate the city and you never see a Viler in town, they took 500,000 to Wembley for the Leyland Daffy Duck Final, 800,000 to Bruges, yet they can't sell out a reduced capacity of 25,000 for the game against us. Tinpot bastards. To think they laughed when we 'only' got 34,000 against them in the cup a couple of years ago. They would talk about it for decades if they got 34k at home and the number would go up to 50k, 60k each year as their tall tales got exaggerated.
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Fun fact, last time they got 30K was 1988. Last time they did it in the league was 1982.
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Were they playing us, by any chance?
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
But...but they keep telling us that everyone in Birmingham supports them. Birmingham has a population of 1.1m people.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
But...but they keep telling us that everyone in Birmingham supports them. Birmingham has a population of 1.1m people.
there's many people who don't follow football let alone support a team and then there's the man utd Liverpool brigade.
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They'd love to attend St Andrews. It's just unfortunate that hey've all had overtime every Saturday at the Rover since the 1950s. Except for the times when Rover was shut, on an overtime ban, or on strike. Then they couldn't afford to go. Obviously no Villa fans work there because we are all from the shires.
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If we stop thinking about them, they may fade into dust and be a dim and distant memory, (copyright American Gods).
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Yes Blues are working class as they all drive out of the city back to Solihull, Dorridge and Knowle. Whoppers.
West Midlands Travel did a map showing the concentration of supporters and season ticket holders drawn for both clubs across the city. They really are a corridor the size of Blackburn on the A45 while we draw heavy support from all over the show.
That particular myth always makes me laugh. I always like to ask if they spend much time in the North of the city and have been to places like Great Barr and Kingstanding. Also, the conversations tend to end quite abruptly when it's pointed out that many of their fans are actually from Solihull.
Their historical 'strongholds' are in reality about 50:50 nowadays whereas our traditional weighted areas of support are still so.
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Yes Blues are working class as they all drive out of the city back to Solihull, Dorridge and Knowle. Whoppers.
West Midlands Travel did a map showing the concentration of supporters and season ticket holders drawn for both clubs across the city. They really are a corridor the size of Blackburn on the A45 while we draw heavy support from all over the show.
That particular myth always makes me laugh. I always like to ask if they spend much time in the North of the city and have been to places like Great Barr and Kingstanding. Also, the conversations tend to end quite abruptly when it's pointed out that many of their fans are actually from Solihull.
Their historical 'strongholds' are in reality about 50:50 nowadays whereas our traditional weighted areas of support are still so.
villas biggest areas to date do a poll, for me it's our of Erdington, great Barr, Perry common, kingstanding. Ks edges me, no favouritism Ive never lived there.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
But...but they keep telling us that everyone in Birmingham supports them. Birmingham has a population of 1.1m people.
there's many people who don't follow football let alone support a team and then there's the man utd Liverpool brigade.
Yeah but Small Heath took 500,000 to Wembley
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The myth about villa being the rich people's club I heard from a Spanish colleague whose partner watched a game at the Sty
I've a friend who moved to Australia about 15 years ago. She's not a great expert on the game, but most on here would identify her as a Brummie red. Small Heath are her second team.
On one return visit, she took her now-husband to a game at the sty.
He subsequently peddles the same bollocks whenever football comes up.
A Brummie Red whose second team is Small Heath, you say?
Who’d have thought it!
I went to school with a lad who was brought up a Leeds fan. But he's bringing his lad up to be a Small Heath fan! WTF!
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Details here (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11097922/efl-derbies-second-city)
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
Sad but true. I was at the Forest cup game and the Boxing Day game with us. Can i have my attendance from the Forest game removed by deed poll?
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It was ok I suppose. Does anyone know what Gary Shaw does these days, is he still in football?
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remember the classic cult film "the warriors"
when the leader swan says to his 2nd in command when they are going through enemy gang territory on there way back to coney island " who are these" he replies " they are nobodies they don't even register on the scale"
for me that's small heath
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Thought it was a bit shit to be honest. Bit easy to concentrate on the Enkelman 'error' but hey it was in the Sky modern football era.
I will say Kevin Broadhurst came across as a bit of a cock with his "we chased em" comment about the 1983 game.
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remember the classic cult film "the warriors"
when the leader swan says to his 2nd in command when they are going through enemy gang territory on there way back to coney island " who are these" he replies " they are nobodies they don't even register on the scale"
for me that's small heath
They're definitely The Orphans
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I thought it was a bit disappointing. No mention of Gabby's late winners, our league cup win or last seasons win. And a "blink and you'll miss it" shot of the Cahill goal.
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Yeah but then we'd be like Reading. Derby games are fun.
Completely agree
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I didn't think it was much good, and I expect I'd think the same if I was of the inbred Heathen persuasion.
Too much talking and not enough clips. I think they showed a grand total of two goals (admittedly, both Villa) to cover all the years up to 2002.
Even the Premier League Era was skimmed over. The names at the start were listed as if they were all going to get their moment to shine... only Shaw and a couple of others really got much coverage once it had actually started.
The whole thing had the feel of a hastily put together promo for Sunday's game, rather than an interesting analysis of the game's history.
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Thought it was a bit shit to be honest. Bit easy to concentrate on the Enkelman 'error' but hey it was in the Sky modern football era.
I will say Kevin Broadhurst came across as a bit of a cock with his "we chased em" comment about the 1983 game.
Didn't he just. That's them all over. An utter embarrassment.
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Most of the history isn't what Sky would like to broadcast though.
5-1 apart, the football is invariably shite and there's very few red cards.
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Genuinely never heard of him before, another absolute nobody who will now be awarded "legend" status as he doesn't like the Villa.
Googled him and it turns out he's in their Hall of Fame! Dread to think who else is in there. Enckelman and Jasper Carrott, most likely.
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Genuinely never heard of him before, another absolute nobody who will now be awarded "legend" status as he doesn't like the Villa.
Googled him and it turns out he's in their Hall of Fame! Dread to think who else is in there. Enckelman and Jasper Carrott, most likely.
Steve Carr is a legend cus he called da vile fans w***ers (in a game they lost).
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
Must have been against a team they thought were us.
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It was a bit rushed for me. They could have done an hour. Although half an hour is probably more suited to a neutral. When ITV4 used to show The Big Match there was one with a decent chunk of the highlights of the 3-0 in December 1980. It was a pretty even and pretty tasty first half and then we scored three relatively late goals. I love hearing interviews with Ron Saunders. I am as scared of him now as I was as a kid.
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It was ok I suppose. Does anyone know what Gary Shaw does these days, is he still in football?
He was drinking around Harborne a few years back but not seen him in a while. Whatever the fella is up to i hope he is prospering, imagine the money he would have made in today's game, unfortunately for him he was a generation too early - in more ways than one.
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It was ok I suppose. Does anyone know what Gary Shaw does these days, is he still in football?
He was drinking around Harborne a few years back but not seen him in a while. Whatever the fella is up to i hope he is prospering, imagine the money he would have made in today's game, unfortunately for him he was a generation too early - in more ways than one.
Last I heard he was a rep for a brewery and going out with a very fit girl who was a lot younger than him and a mate of my cousin. I think he also worked for the FA on the OPTA stats side of things at games. That information is a fair few years ago though so I have no idea what he has been doing recently.
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Genuinely never heard of him before, another absolute nobody who will now be awarded "legend" status as he doesn't like the Villa.
Googled him and it turns out he's in their Hall of Fame! Dread to think who else is in there. Enckelman and Jasper Carrott, most likely.
Steve Carr is a legend cus he called da vile fans w***ers (in a game they lost).
You've only got to remember Paul "Tosser" Taits main claim to fame to know what cooks their cookie.
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Thought it was a bit shit to be honest. Bit easy to concentrate on the Enkelman 'error' but hey it was in the Sky modern football era.
I will say Kevin Broadhurst came across as a bit of a cock with his "we chased em" comment about the 1983 game.
Didn't he just. That's them all over. An utter embarrassment.
complete scum got everything he deserved by steve mcmahon, one of my favourite moments of the Derby ending the
bastards career.
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Sound a bit like one of them, there.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
But...but they keep telling us that everyone in Birmingham supports them. Birmingham has a population of 1.1m people.
there's many people who don't follow football let alone support a team and then there's the man utd Liverpool brigade.
Yeah but Small Heath took 500,000 to Wembley
the 50k small heath took Wembley are they all related and do all live on the same road?
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Disappointing but not surprised as 1/2 hour was not long enough, should have been an hour.
The 1983 match was probably the dirtiest match I have ever seen, don't know why the ref bothered to take the ball out onto the pitch, these days there would have been 6 reds, and that's on each side. As for the Enkelmann match still don't think he touched the ball, and I remember at the time we were on top. Legend Melberg's pre match comments didn't help either. If you blinked you missed Cahill's goal and likewise the 5 - 1 humiliation.
Still without doubt as fierce as any derby played in Britain, well England anyway, as both clubs have some of the most passionate fans in the country.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
But...but they keep telling us that everyone in Birmingham supports them. Birmingham has a population of 1.1m people.
there's many people who don't follow football let alone support a team and then there's the man utd Liverpool brigade.
And don't forget all 10s of thousands that work shifts at rover
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
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Disappointing but not surprised as 1/2 hour was not long enough, should have been an hour.
The 1983 match was probably the dirtiest match I have ever seen, don't know why the ref bothered to take the ball out onto the pitch, these days there would have been 6 reds, and that's on each side. As for the Enkelmann match still don't think he touched the ball, and I remember at the time we were on top. Legend Melberg's pre match comments didn't help either. If you blinked you missed Cahill's goal and likewise the 5 - 1 humiliation.
Still without doubt as fierce as any derby played in Britain, well England anyway, as both clubs have some of the most passionate fans in the country.
Given its the 2nd city derby it's expected to be fierce. There's only two teams here, it's also a working class city where people are inherently proud of their working class identity and roots. It's also a violent city heavy crime. This is reflected in the derby.
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
That's the problem. He quite clearly didn't understand the rules. His body language and the fact that a knuckle-dragger was already on the pitch, inches away from the referee, were the crucial factors in the awarding of the goal.
I still think the decision to disallow Darius' equaliser, seemingly on the grounds that he'd been standing in an offside position twenty minutes earlier, was the worst decision of the evening.
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
That's the problem. He quite clearly didn't understand the rules. His body language and the fact that a knuckle-dragger was already on the pitch, inches away from the referee, were the crucial factors in the awarding of the goal.
I still think the decision to disallow Darius' equaliser, seemingly on the grounds that he'd been standing in an offside position twenty minutes earlier, was the worst decision of the evening.
I was at the game and the linesman was in the corner where the Kop meets the Tilton, it was like a bear pit, from the players in front and the fans behind as well as the referee getting it, I think he made that decision on the grounds of safety more than anything else. I remember Savage running the length of the Kop winding up the fans when the goal was given. They really liked him in those days.
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
That's the problem. He quite clearly didn't understand the rules. His body language and the fact that a knuckle-dragger was already on the pitch, inches away from the referee, were the crucial factors in the awarding of the goal.
I still think the decision to disallow Darius' equaliser, seemingly on the grounds that he'd been standing in an offside position twenty minutes earlier, was the worst decision of the evening.
I must admit I wasn't aware of the rules in that situation until the debates in the aftermath of the game. If I remember right the ref should have given a corner, although in my opinion if you are daft enough to concede by basically throwing the ball into your own net you deserve a goal to be given against you. The ref (the arrogant public school teacher David Ellerey, who I never liked) admitted afterwards he gave the goal as Enckelman's reaction suggested he knew the rule and knew he had touched it. The truth being that Enckelman hadn't touched it but didn't know the rule and in his ignorance believed it was a goal, hence his reaction. The twat who ran on the pitch lived around the corner from my parents. I had never seen or met him (and never have since) but when he got nicked they printed the road name.
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In the league they were. FA Cup game was Forest. Last time they got 30K for a league game that wasn't against us was 1980.
Sad but true. I was at the Forest cup game and the Boxing Day game with us. Can i have my attendance from the Forest game removed by deed poll?
I'm sure on the day they played Forest in the cup I was at Ewood Park watching Platt make his debut. I have no idea how I remember that.
My uncle had a brother who was a steward responsible for the players tunnel (the one in the corner as they have two I think) and the little courtyard behind it near the dressing rooms and players lounge. On Boxing Day 1982 he took his future son in law (who was a bit of a nutter back in the day and still is to an extent) to the game. This resulted in an 'altercation' between the man who is now married to my cousin and Pat Van Den Hauwe. Knowing one of them personally and knowing the other by reputation that confrontation would have been quite tasty I imagine.
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Disappointing but not surprised as 1/2 hour was not long enough, should have been an hour.
The 1983 match was probably the dirtiest match I have ever seen, don't know why the ref bothered to take the ball out onto the pitch, these days there would have been 6 reds, and that's on each side. As for the Enkelmann match still don't think he touched the ball, and I remember at the time we were on top. Legend Melberg's pre match comments didn't help either. If you blinked you missed Cahill's goal and likewise the 5 - 1 humiliation.
Still without doubt as fierce as any derby played in Britain, well England anyway, as both clubs have some of the most passionate fans in the country.
Given its the 2nd city derby it's expected to be fierce. There's only two teams here, it's also a working class city where people are inherently proud of their working class identity and roots. It's also a violent city heavy crime. This is reflected in the derby.
Ok but compare it to the Manchester and Merseyside derbies, where Liverpool and United fans hate each other more than they do their neighbours, so surely the atmosphere for their derbies can't be as great as the 2nd city derby.
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Disappointing but not surprised as 1/2 hour was not long enough, should have been an hour.
The 1983 match was probably the dirtiest match I have ever seen, don't know why the ref bothered to take the ball out onto the pitch, these days there would have been 6 reds, and that's on each side. As for the Enkelmann match still don't think he touched the ball, and I remember at the time we were on top. Legend Melberg's pre match comments didn't help either. If you blinked you missed Cahill's goal and likewise the 5 - 1 humiliation.
Still without doubt as fierce as any derby played in Britain, well England anyway, as both clubs have some of the most passionate fans in the country.
Given its the 2nd city derby it's expected to be fierce. There's only two teams here, it's also a working class city where people are inherently proud of their working class identity and roots. It's also a violent city heavy crime. This is reflected in the derby.
Ok but compare it to the Manchester and Merseyside derbies, where Liverpool and United fans hate each other more than they do their neighbours, so surely the atmosphere for their derbies can't be as great as the 2nd city derby.
You are also forgetting Man U v Leeds. Manu fans probably hate Leeds more than they hate man city.
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at least the ashtray they got from Barca is in their trophy cabinet :D
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at least the ashtray they got from Barca is in their trophy cabinet :D
Now THAT was funny.
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Does anyone have memories of villa blues fights in the work place? Alot of this went on between colleagues in the 70s and 80s in factories and warehouses. I worked in the Jewellery quarter in the mid 90s and there was a bloke who worked there many years who said fights would break out in the 80s between blokes who were working alongside each other in the 80s.
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Does anyone have memories of villa blues fights in the work place? Alot of this went on between colleagues in the 70s and 80s in factories and warehouses. I worked in the Jewellery quarter in the mid 90s and there was a bloke who worked there many years who said fights would break out in the 80s between blokes who were working alongside each other in the 80s.
Do you have any memories of, you know, football matches, or have you only ever followed football for the crowd violence?
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Disappointing but not surprised as 1/2 hour was not long enough, should have been an hour.
The 1983 match was probably the dirtiest match I have ever seen, don't know why the ref bothered to take the ball out onto the pitch, these days there would have been 6 reds, and that's on each side. As for the Enkelmann match still don't think he touched the ball, and I remember at the time we were on top. Legend Melberg's pre match comments didn't help either. If you blinked you missed Cahill's goal and likewise the 5 - 1 humiliation.
Still without doubt as fierce as any derby played in Britain, well England anyway, as both clubs have some of the most passionate fans in the country.
Given its the 2nd city derby it's expected to be fierce. There's only two teams here, it's also a working class city where people are inherently proud of their working class identity and roots. It's also a violent city heavy crime. This is reflected in the derby.
Ok but compare it to the Manchester and Merseyside derbies, where Liverpool and United fans hate each other more than they do their neighbours, so surely the atmosphere for their derbies can't be as great as the 2nd city derby.
Everton fans are not a million miles from small heath in terms that they hate Liverpool F.C. more than they love their own club. Pretty much the same with manc city
Let’s hope sh hate us even more by 2 15pm
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My uncle had a brother
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Doesn't that make him your uncle too?
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
Correct Dave. I was howling at the the tv in the pub on this point. All those years as a kid reading Paul Trevelion's "You are the ref" columns in Shoot or newspapers had their use!
I met Enckelman's girlfriend around 2008 as she had previously worked for our employer and came along to a bash to see her old mates. We chatted and she said that the management and coaching staff at Villa really gave him no support after that incident and he had a tough time. Apparently Schmeichel was very supportive, sending texts and messages from long distance.
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
Correct Dave. I was howling at the the tv in the pub on this point. All those years as a kid reading Paul Trevelion's "You are the ref" columns in Shoot or newspapers had their use!
I met Enckelman's girlfriend around 2008 as she had previously worked for our employer and came along to a bash to see her old mates. We chatted and she said that the management and coaching staff at Villa really gave him no support after that incident and he had a tough time. Apparently Schmeichel was very supportive, sending texts and messages from long distance.
To be fair to Encks, it wasn't his job to know the in depth laws of the game, it was the ref's, and he got it wrong.
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
Correct Dave. I was howling at the the tv in the pub on this point. All those years as a kid reading Paul Trevelion's "You are the ref" columns in Shoot or newspapers had their use!
I met Enckelman's girlfriend around 2008 as she had previously worked for our employer and came along to a bash to see her old mates. We chatted and she said that the management and coaching staff at Villa really gave him no support after that incident and he had a tough time. Apparently Schmeichel was very supportive, sending texts and messages from long distance.
To be fair to Encks, it wasn't his job to know the in depth laws of the game, it was the ref's, and he got it wrong.
David f”cking Ellery
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Enkleman would have been a top class goalie if he hadn't have been so scared of the ball
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One thing I never thought Enckelman got enough credit for was his ice cool reaction to the goal. To stay motionless and calm while that knuckle-dragging simpleton slapped his face must have taken incredible self-control. I dread to think what might have kicked off had Encks hit back. Sod the goal, it was human error, but the response was almost superhuman. His conduct and dignity in the face of huge provocation (literally) was admirable, and might have saved a riot. Elleray should have been sending him a thankyou card, the useless git.
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Late on in that season he had a blinder away to West Ham in a 2-2 draw which helped send them on their way and pull us out of it.
I prefer to remember him that way.
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Enkleman would have been a top class goalie if he hadn't have been so scared of the ball
Yes that was the only flow in his game.
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Enkleman would have been a top class goalie if he hadn't have been so scared of the ball
Yes that was the only flow in his game.
Ha ha had to read that twice mate, but yeah agree with your view
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My uncle had a brother
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Doesn't that make him your uncle too?
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Or his dad !
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No, my dad's sister's husband would be my uncle but his brother wouldn't be.
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If you are being kind to Elleray you’d say he at best guessed if Enk had touched the ball....even video replay wouldn’t give definitive so how he made that call was pathetic, attention seeker!
Saying that I remember morning about Purse clobbering Angel earlier in the game with no punishment, not a patch on McMahons slightly ill timed challenge though :-)
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I just wish that our goalkeeper that night would have been either Jim Cumbes, Jimmy Rimmer, John Burridge, Nigel Spink, Mark Bosnich, Les Sealey, David James, Peter Schmeichel etc, etc and some clown from Hobs Moat would have probably landed on his arse and if that started a riot then the game would have been abandoned and the referee would have had to read the rule book and realise he didn't have a clue, instead of shitting himself in "cue ball corner" and giving the goal.
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Purse should have walked
Vassell was onside
Encklemen never touched it
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Purse should have walked
Vassell was onside
Encklemen never touched it
the 5-1 made up for it.
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In those days I honestly starting thinking we would never beat them again. It was bizarre, we'd generally play well in most of the early games but some of the mistakes/luck they got was off the scale. Last time they beat us in the prem for example Solano hit a great free kick that hit the outside of the post at 0-0 and then second half Sorensen decided to chuck another in.
How sweet when it eventually turned around and we started to get some of the 50/50 decisions like that late Gabby penalty.
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David fucking Elleray. How I hated that gimp of a ref. Never seemed to give us a thing and regularly made some horrendous decisions against us - Sunderland away, their player handles it, penalty to Sunderland. As well as being a pompous arrogant posh boy prick. If there is anyone in the world I'd like to hang upside down in a sack and beat mercilessly with a baseball bat it's probably David Fucking Elleray.
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David fucking Elleray. How I hated that gimp of a ref. Never seemed to give us a thing and regularly made some horrendous decisions against us - Sunderland away, their player handles it, penalty to Sunderland. As well as being a pompous arrogant posh boy prick. If there is anyone in the world I'd like to hang upside down in a sack and beat mercilessly with a baseball bat it's probably David Fucking Elleray.
He was "Sportsmaster" at a public school I believe which should automatically preclude him from being involved in football at any level.
I recall one particularly vexed supporter remonstrating with him at an away game:
"I know you Erralley (sic), I know where your kids go to school". I think drink had been taken.
And he was always blowing his nose. (not the fan, Errally...erm I mean Elleray)
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Enklemans let in goal at VP was worse than the one at their place in my view
although it did look ridiculous on the night it was a complete mistake of epic proportions whilst the one where Horsefield robs him on a 50/50 ball at best is a utter bottle job
keepers will always make mistakes (not quite as big as that granted) but you cant excuse bottling out of a challenge especially when you can use your arms and hands when the balls in your own area,
unforgivable is that in a local derby
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Just watching the show now. Kevin Broadhurst acting the big man with the battle of Villa Park and how they "chased" the players. "I think I started the battle, to be honest, I actually started the battle of Villa Park that day. Well what started it was a Steve McMahon tackle on myself..." Make your mind up ya fanny
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Just watching the show now. Kevin Broadhurst acting the big man with the battle of Villa Park and how they "chased" the players. "I think I started the battle, to be honest, I actually started the battle of Villa Park that day. Well what started it was a Steve McMahon tackle on myself..." Make your mind up ya fanny
"We went in their dressing room"
"You went in their dressing room?"
"Yeah. Well I didn't because I was on a stretcher"
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Re Enkleman touching the ball or not, his body language is the giveaway because if he knew the laws of the game he would know that if he hadn't touched it the outcome IIRC would be a corner kick. You cannot score against yourself from a thow-in among other scenarios.
Correct Dave. I was howling at the the tv in the pub on this point. All those years as a kid reading Paul Trevelion's "You are the ref" columns in Shoot or newspapers had their use!
I met Enckelman's girlfriend around 2008 as she had previously worked for our employer and came along to a bash to see her old mates. We chatted and she said that the management and coaching staff at Villa really gave him no support after that incident and he had a tough time. Apparently Schmeichel was very supportive, sending texts and messages from long distance.
To be fair to Encks, it wasn't his job to know the in depth laws of the game, it was the ref's, and he got it wrong.
Players who don't know the rules? - gosh, that's worrying.
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If you are being kind to Elleray you’d say he at best guessed if Enk had touched the ball....even video replay wouldn’t give definitive so how he made that call was pathetic, attention seeker!
Saying that I remember morning about Purse clobbering Angel earlier in the game with no punishment, not a patch on McMahons slightly ill timed challenge though :-)
Refs do take the player-reaction into their decision-making; and are advised to do so (certainly in the amateur game at least). Elleray had the benefit of a linesman. what was his position and role in it all, I wonder?
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I was at the game and although we were at the other end I was low enough to be convinced that he didn’t touch it. But this made no difference at the time because I like most in the crowd thought it was a Melberg own goal. It would have lead to much confusion if a corner had been given.
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If you are being kind to Elleray you’d say he at best guessed if Enk had touched the ball....even video replay wouldn’t give definitive so how he made that call was pathetic, attention seeker!
Saying that I remember morning about Purse clobbering Angel earlier in the game with no punishment, not a patch on McMahons slightly ill timed challenge though :-)
Refs do take the player-reaction into their decision-making; and are advised to do so (certainly in the amateur game at least). Elleray had the benefit of a linesman. what was his position and role in it all, I wonder?
I still think Elleray got the rules wrong and didn’t immediately twig that you cannot score directly from a throw in. Then subsequently when it was mentioned he didn’t have the bottle to admit it.
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If you are being kind to Elleray you’d say he at best guessed if Enk had touched the ball....even video replay wouldn’t give definitive so how he made that call was pathetic, attention seeker!
Saying that I remember morning about Purse clobbering Angel earlier in the game with no punishment, not a patch on McMahons slightly ill timed challenge though :-)
Refs do take the player-reaction into their decision-making; and are advised to do so (certainly in the amateur game at least). Elleray had the benefit of a linesman. what was his position and role in it all, I wonder?
I still think Elleray got the rules wrong and didn’t immediately twig that you cannot score directly from a throw in. Then subsequently when it was mentioned he didn’t have the bottle to admit it.
If he realised that he had got the decision wrong, provided he hadn't restarted the game, he had the right and time to reverse the decision. That he didn't will forever be to his detriment and should be used in all training on refereeing coaching courses where he will be immortalised as his demeanour often showed that he wanted to be.
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I had this happen to me on Monday. A kick-in (no throw-in in Leisure Leagues) was taken and aimed straight at the goal. It clipped the GKs fingers so I awarded the goal. To say he was not happy is an understatement.
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My uncle had a brother
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Doesn't that make him your uncle too?
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No, because only one of them married my dad's sister. ;)
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Them being on the pitch influenced the decision.
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Whats your favourite Nose fantasy? That stock piece of utter bollocks they come out with?
Mine has to be, without doubt, this curious belief we're jealous of their name.
I've had conversations in the Thai jungle about Aston Villa with the locals and they have no idea who our rivals are when they ask and I tell them Birmingham City. Faces blank like a Nose trying to find Sherlock Street.
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Whats your favourite Nose fantasy? That stock piece of utter bollocks they come out with?
Mine has to be, without doubt, this curious belief we're jealous of their name.
I've had conversations in the Thai jungle about Aston Villa with the locals and they have no idea who our rivals are when they ask and I tell them Birmingham City. Faces blank like a Nose trying to find Sherlock Street.
I do enjoy the myth that were jealous of that. Our name is so unique and beautiful, and theres seems lazy and unimaginative. The fantasy that were scared to drink in town always raises a smile. And that there are no Villa fans in Birmingham.
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Their myths are so fantastical you'd have to be a gullible moron to believe any of them........ ah we have a problem.
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My favourite Small Heath fantasy is the one where they claim to have 40k fans ready to go to every home match as soon as they get a team worthy of the PL. Then as soon as they get there only half of them bother to turn up. Obviously they’re caught up in the traffic on the way there.
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I can understand the won a trophy since we have one, even if it does show they have a strangely inconsistent attitude to history. I can sort-of understand the "more supporters in the city" one, even though it's bollocks. After all, bigger clubs than them have used it. And if they want to say they're bigger and tougher than us, good luck to them. But the city's name thing, who gives a fuck about it? Do Torino fans say it about Juventus? Milan fans about Inter? Roma about Lazio? Of course they don't, yet not only do that lot say it, they honestly truly believe we care about it as well.
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I can understand the won a trophy since we have one, even if it does show they have a strangely inconsistent attitude to history. I can sort-of understand the "more supporters in the city" one, even though it's bollocks. After all, bigger clubs than them have used it. And if they want to say they're bigger and tougher than us, good luck to them. But the city's name thing, who gives a fuck about it? Do Torino fans say it about Juventus? Milan fans about Inter? Roma about Lazio? Of course they don't, yet not only do that lot say it, they honestly truly believe we care about it as well.
Yep I doubt any Everton fans care they don't carry the name and of course none of the London clubs have it either.
I've never given it a second thought.
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I've never once heard a Villa fan bring it up accept in puzzlement that a Nose would believe it.
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I can understand the won a trophy since we have one, even if it does show they have a strangely inconsistent attitude to history. I can sort-of understand the "more supporters in the city" one, even though it's bollocks. After all, bigger clubs than them have used it. And if they want to say they're bigger and tougher than us, good luck to them. But the city's name thing, who gives a fuck about it? Do Torino fans say it about Juventus? Milan fans about Inter? Roma about Lazio? Of course they don't, yet not only do that lot say it, they honestly truly believe we care about it as well.
Yep I doubt any Everton fans care they don't carry the name and of course none of the London clubs have it either.
I've never given it a second thought.
The fact that it isn't their original name and that they have changed it three times kind of negates their claims really.
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If you write AVFC everyone knows who you mean, i'm really jealous that we don't get to write that we support BCFC and then explain no, not Bath City. Or Bradford City. Or Bristol City. Or Brechin City. And so on.
As Dave says, they used to whine about us being historians and suddenly now that it suits them they're experts on our history.
Clubs like Everton and Man City use the "we have more fans from the city" line as well. And no one believed those feckers either as it's a line used by all the smaller clubs in cities around the world.
Come the game at VP they'll be all over the ground in the home ends as usual, despite no one seeing one since 2003.
Still, it makes sense that they need all those plus many more myths to cling onto. They have nothing else. Statistically, the best season in their history is finishing 6th (their only top 6 finish) and losing a cup final. Imagine it, never in over 140 years have you done better than John Gregory.
They've spent over half their history being as shit as we've been the last few years, difference is not only were they shit they had to watch us being successful. Only 9 times in their history have they averaged more than we did last season. Us being relegated is one of the greatest moments in their lives. They live and breathe Aston Villa as much as we do, because without us every single one of them knows they're nothing. We are everything to them.
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If you write AVFC everyone knows who you mean, i'm really jealous that we don't get to write that we support BCFC and then explain no, not Bath City. Or Bradford City. Or Bristol City. Or Brechin City. And so on.
As Dave says, they used to whine about us being historians and suddenly now that it suits them they're experts on our history.
Clubs like Everton and Man City use the "we have more fans from the city" line as well. And no one believed those feckers either as it's a line used by all the smaller clubs in cities around the world.
Come the game at VP they'll be all over the ground in the home ends as usual, despite no one seeing one since 2003.
Still, it makes sense that they need all those plus many more myths to cling onto. They have nothing else. Statistically, the best season in their history is finishing 6th (their only top 6 finish) and losing a cup final. Imagine it, never in over 140 years have you done better than John Gregory.
They've spent over half their history being as shit as we've been the last few years, difference is not only were they shit they had to watch us being successful. Only 9 times in their history have they averaged more than we did last season. Us being relegated is one of the greatest moments in their lives. They live and breathe Aston Villa as much as we do, because without us every single one of them knows they're nothing. We are everything to them.
I'm welling up......sob sob
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Another thing that’s always made me laugh about Small Heath was that when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s there were adult Noses that actually used to pretend that they won the Fairs Cup back in the 1960s. I thought it was just me that was told this but as I got older I found out that loads of them used to perpetuate that lie and boast about being fantastically successful in Europe. I mean what kind of a fan base actually lies about winning trophies. It’s really quite sad if you think about it.
You couldn’t make it up, but actually they did.
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Isn’t it a grammatical fact that you actually spell it BCFC SOTV ?
I have only ever seen written (scrawled) like that.
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I can understand the won a trophy since we have one, even if it does show they have a strangely inconsistent attitude to history. I can sort-of understand the "more supporters in the city" one, even though it's bollocks. After all, bigger clubs than them have used it. And if they want to say they're bigger and tougher than us, good luck to them. But the city's name thing, who gives a fuck about it? Do Torino fans say it about Juventus? Milan fans about Inter? Roma about Lazio? Of course they don't, yet not only do that lot say it, they honestly truly believe we care about it as well.
Yep I doubt any Everton fans care they don't carry the name and of course none of the London clubs have it either.
I've never given it a second thought.
The fact that it isn't their original name and that they have changed it three times kind of negates their claims really.
Reminds me of when the Welsh football season champions were announced and Jeff Stelling commented, 'And there'll be dancing in the streets of Total Network Solutions, tonight'.
As I recall, there was also a moment from an American sports commentator, who referred to the town of 'Victorious Port Valians' when they won something.
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If you write AVFC everyone knows who you mean, i'm really jealous that we don't get to write that we support BCFC and then explain no, not Bath City. Or Bradford City. Or Bristol City. Or Brechin City. And so on.
As Dave says, they used to whine about us being historians and suddenly now that it suits them they're experts on our history.
Clubs like Everton and Man City use the "we have more fans from the city" line as well. And no one believed those feckers either as it's a line used by all the smaller clubs in cities around the world.
Come the game at VP they'll be all over the ground in the home ends as usual, despite no one seeing one since 2003.
Still, it makes sense that they need all those plus many more myths to cling onto. They have nothing else. Statistically, the best season in their history is finishing 6th (their only top 6 finish) and losing a cup final. Imagine it, never in over 140 years have you done better than John Gregory.
They've spent over half their history being as shit as we've been the last few years, difference is not only were they shit they had to watch us being successful. Only 9 times in their history have they averaged more than we did last season. Us being relegated is one of the greatest moments in their lives. They live and breathe Aston Villa as much as we do, because without us every single one of them knows they're nothing. We are everything to them.
We had a chant in the 70's which I always liked for this reason:
AV
AVF
AVFC
OK
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If you write AVFC everyone knows who you mean, i'm really jealous that we don't get to write that we support BCFC and then explain no, not Bath City. Or Bradford City. Or Bristol City. Or Brechin City. And so on.
As Dave says, they used to whine about us being historians and suddenly now that it suits them they're experts on our history.
Clubs like Everton and Man City use the "we have more fans from the city" line as well. And no one believed those feckers either as it's a line used by all the smaller clubs in cities around the world.
Come the game at VP they'll be all over the ground in the home ends as usual, despite no one seeing one since 2003.
Still, it makes sense that they need all those plus many more myths to cling onto. They have nothing else. Statistically, the best season in their history is finishing 6th (their only top 6 finish) and losing a cup final. Imagine it, never in over 140 years have you done better than John Gregory.
They've spent over half their history being as shit as we've been the last few years, difference is not only were they shit they had to watch us being successful. Only 9 times in their history have they averaged more than we did last season. Us being relegated is one of the greatest moments in their lives. They live and breathe Aston Villa as much as we do, because without us every single one of them knows they're nothing. We are everything to them.
We had a chant in the 70's which I always liked for this reason:
AV
AVF
AVFC
OK
Those were the days my friend .....
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I don’t even call them supporters because they don’t support fans perhaps. They really are strange in their own unfunny way
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
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... There's a bloke who used to phone tom ross who use to say his a Villa blue nose as he use to go both. People did do that in the 50s as it was affordable and not the hate there is today.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
No, I’m In my late 50s, from south Birmingham (Northfield and Rubery) and there have always been plenty of Villa fans. I would say slightly more of them but not overwhelming so.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
No, I’m In my late 50s, from south Birmingham (Northfield and Rubery) and there have always been plenty of Villa fans. I would say slightly more of them but not overwhelming so.
I'm from those parts too, they have never out numbered villas support over this side of the city in all my years either
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... There's a bloke who used to phone tom ross who use to say his a Villa blue nose as he use to go both. People did do that in the 50s as it was affordable and not the hate there is today.
I agree. Me and my old man used to do it quite regularly up and until he got sick in the mid-sixties. At that time we couldn't afford to travel very often and wanted to watch a match so we'd go up there and occasionally the Albion. It was about that time that my earning capacity increased which enabled me to travel to more away matches, in fact it was the first thing I did when I got my wages, put the money away for the travelling expenses.
Me and my Dad used to stand on the Tilton most times we went there and, in all the years we did it we never really encountered any real animosity, had a few rows mind, but never anything violent.
We've done it on here a few times, asking the question 'when did violence really start in football?' There's no set 'anniversary' date but I recall it beginning en-masse mid-to-late sixties, although if you speak to anyone left who attended football in the 1930's they'll tell you it was around in its minority back then.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
B-lose prob draw the majority of their support in South Birmingham/ Solihull. But my aul' fella lived over that side from the 1950s onwards and there was always plenty of Villa in Hall Green, Acocks Green and -yes even Small Heath, according to him.
Shouldn't be a huge surprise. Traditionally, we were a well supported club. And they weren't.
He did go to St Andrews with his B-lose supporting mates and they came to the Villa on alternate weekends, which wasn't really frowned upon back then.
Away days across the country weren't really a thing.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
B-lose prob draw the majority of their support in South Birmingham/ Solihull. But my aul' fella lived over that side from the 1950s onwards and there was always plenty of Villa in Hall Green, Acocks Green and -yes even Small Heath, according to him.
Shouldn't be a huge surprise. Traditionally, we were a well supported club. And they weren't.
He did go to St Andrews with his B-lose supporting mates and they came to the Villa on alternate weekends, which wasn't really frowned upon back then.
Away days across the country weren't really a thing.
Not sure the “south Brum is blue” is true. Go anywhere near Selly Oak, Harborne, Weoley Castle, Bournville, Stirchley etc etc and you’ll find more Villa than Small Heath. I think the only true stronghold they have is the south east of Brum, and to be frank they’re welcome to it.
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Remember reading an article somewhere about the violence at football matches at the turn of the century. I'm sure Leicester got banned from trains in the early 1900''s because of the damage they did. Up until 1930''s racecourses suffered from trouble because of gang fights but that started to die out after the authorities clamped down following Birmingham vs London in a fight at Brighton racecourse in about 1930.As we all say football is a vehicle for some not a cause. It''s just a case of people wanting trouble go where there will be large crowds. Shame but that's the way it is. Having said that that my experiences these days are a lot less violent that in the late 70''s.
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Where is Castle Bromwich, Kingshurst and Coleshill on the Birmingham map?
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CB is all Villa. Coleshill mostly Villa and Kingshurst is confused.
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... There's a bloke who used to phone tom ross who use to say his a Villa blue nose as he use to go both. People did do that in the 50s as it was affordable and not the hate there is today.
I agree. Me and my old man used to do it quite regularly up and until he got sick in the mid-sixties. At that time we couldn't afford to travel very often and wanted to watch a match so we'd go up there and occasionally the Albion. It was about that time that my earning capacity increased which enabled me to travel to more away matches, in fact it was the first thing I did when I got my wages, put the money away for the travelling expenses.
Me and my Dad used to stand on the Tilton most times we went there and, in all the years we did it we never really encountered any real animosity, had a few rows mind, but never anything violent.
We've done it on here a few times, asking the question 'when did violence really start in football?' There's no set 'anniversary' date but I recall it beginning en-masse mid-to-late sixties, although if you speak to anyone left who attended football in the 1930's they'll tell you it was around in its minority back then.
if was around in the 50s I don't think I would have done villa one week blues the next. I would have gone for wba if villa weren't home. Nothing to do with hate for blues, just I'm more north / north west birmingham. Plus albion had a better team, better ground, known players, good boozers on the 11 route.
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Remember reading an article somewhere about the violence at football matches at the turn of the century. I'm sure Leicester got banned from trains in the early 1900''s because of the damage they did. Up until 1930''s racecourses suffered from trouble because of gang fights but that started to die out after the authorities clamped down following Birmingham vs London in a fight at Brighton racecourse in about 1930.As we all say football is a vehicle for some not a cause. It''s just a case of people wanting trouble go where there will be large crowds. Shame but that's the way it is. Having said that that my experiences these days are a lot less violent that in the late 70''s.
don't agree vast majority of hooligans are supporters of clubs, it's a about pride and not letting the opposition take the piss. There's comradeship among firms, the hooligans are mates it's about sticking with your mates on a Saturday afternoon.
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Remember reading an article somewhere about the violence at football matches at the turn of the century. I'm sure Leicester got banned from trains in the early 1900''s because of the damage they did. Up until 1930''s racecourses suffered from trouble because of gang fights but that started to die out after the authorities clamped down following Birmingham vs London in a fight at Brighton racecourse in about 1930.As we all say football is a vehicle for some not a cause. It''s just a case of people wanting trouble go where there will be large crowds. Shame but that's the way it is. Having said that that my experiences these days are a lot less violent that in the late 70''s.
don't agree vast majority of hooligans are supporters of clubs, it's a about pride and not letting the opposition take the piss. There's comradeship among firms, the hooligans are mates it's about sticking with your mates on a Saturday afternoon.
Is it really? Or is about turning up, doing a spot of pavement dancing, throwing a few chairs and then claiming a 'result' on social media and in books containing more fairy tales than something by the Brothers Grimm?
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Remember reading an article somewhere about the violence at football matches at the turn of the century. I'm sure Leicester got banned from trains in the early 1900''s because of the damage they did. Up until 1930''s racecourses suffered from trouble because of gang fights but that started to die out after the authorities clamped down following Birmingham vs London in a fight at Brighton racecourse in about 1930.As we all say football is a vehicle for some not a cause. It''s just a case of people wanting trouble go where there will be large crowds. Shame but that's the way it is. Having said that that my experiences these days are a lot less violent that in the late 70''s.
don't agree vast majority of hooligans are supporters of clubs, it's a about pride and not letting the opposition take the piss. There's comradeship among firms, the hooligans are mates it's about sticking with your mates on a Saturday afternoon.
Is it really? Or is about turning up, doing a spot of pavement dancing, throwing a few chairs and then claiming a 'result' on social media and in books containing more fairy tales than something by the Brothers Grimm?
that does go on, but on the whole not the general idea.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
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This thread has some great quotes in it. I love how you lot are still traumatized by Enkleman, it's made for some pretty entertaining reading. I was going to say good luck and may the best team win, but I can't quite get there. Especially after the last couple of pages, where you've reverted back to your usual drivel. I blame the drink, it must be those pre match nerves, hey lads? Enjoy your big day out.
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Now back to your crayons and sewing extra fingers into your gloves and extensions for your socks.
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This thread has some great quotes in it. I love how you lot are still traumatized by Enkleman, it's made for some pretty entertaining reading. I was going to say good luck and may the best team win, but I can't quite get there. Especially after the last couple of pages, where you've reverted back to your usual drivel. I blame the drink, it must be those pre match nerves, hey lads? Enjoy your big day out.
Aren't you already in the pub?
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This thread has some great quotes in it. I love how you lot are still traumatized by Enkleman, it's made for some pretty entertaining reading. I was going to say good luck and may the best team win, but I can't quite get there. Especially after the last couple of pages, where you've reverted back to your usual drivel. I blame the drink, it must be those pre match nerves, hey lads? Enjoy your big day out.
Enjoy your happy clapper.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
B-lose prob draw the majority of their support in South Birmingham/ Solihull. But my aul' fella lived over that side from the 1950s onwards and there was always plenty of Villa in Hall Green, Acocks Green and -yes even Small Heath, according to him.
Shouldn't be a huge surprise. Traditionally, we were a well supported club. And they weren't.
He did go to St Andrews with his B-lose supporting mates and they came to the Villa on alternate weekends, which wasn't really frowned upon back then.
Away days across the country weren't really a thing.
My old man and his brothers hailed from Acocks Green and supported Small Heath. He also had a couple of mates, one Villa and one Small Heath who had season tickets next to each other at Villa Park and the sty.
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“Enjoy your big day out”
At a club that can’t even sell out 24k home tickets. :)
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“Enjoy your big day out”
At a club that can’t even sell out 24k home tickets. :)
It is hard to get 24,000 NHS carers to work on a Sunday.
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This thread has some great quotes in it. I love how you lot are still traumatized by Enkleman, it's made for some pretty entertaining reading. I was going to say good luck and may the best team win, but I can't quite get there. Especially after the last couple of pages, where you've reverted back to your usual drivel. I blame the drink, it must be those pre match nerves, hey lads? Enjoy your big day out.
Oh dear.
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“Enjoy your big day out”
At a club that can’t even sell out 24k home tickets. :)
It is hard to get 24,000 NHS carers to work on a Sunday.
Not even with an offer of a free clapperboard thrown in?
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that does go on, but on the whole not the general idea.
Any idea where the big trouble spots are going to be today so that we can avoid them?
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that does go on, but on the whole not the general idea.
Any idea where the big trouble spots are going to be today so that we can avoid them?
Catalonia is a bit moody at the moment, I still wouldn't venture into Afghanistan and I would also avoid Russia and North Korea.
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CB is all Villa. Coleshill mostly Villa and Kingshurst is confused.
Spot on.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
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that does go on, but on the whole not the general idea.
Any idea where the big trouble spots are going to be today so that we can avoid them?
Catalonia is a bit moody at the moment, I still wouldn't venture into Afghanistan and I would also avoid Russia and North Korea.
So basically all Small Heath.
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Villa blues is north Birmingham v south Birmingham for me it's the roots of the Derby. People move around you blues in the north villa in the south. Does anyone remember when you couldn't find a blue nose in the north and a Villa in the south.
Born in south Birmingham, live in south Birmingham, Villa fan just like the rest of my family for more years than I can remember.
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Still locked in this shithole
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CB is all Villa. Coleshill mostly Villa and Kingshurst is confused.
Spot on.
When I left Kingshurst in 1985'ish it was mainly Villa.
Thanks aftab
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They're in full on myth making now on SHA. About 50 Noses of a certain type spread across two pubs, just drinking and being watched by 8 van fills of plod and the football command van filming everything, as a Villa escort wanders by unmolested... has turned into 400 Blues giving a good hiding.
Crayon eaters.
I have to say, I cannot think of a poorer use of time than the Noses still outside the away end an hour and a half after kick off. It was tedious for us, how tedious for them?
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
I'd happily miss out that part of the rivalry. It's nothing to be proud of. Maybe instead of coming back here you could go and find some fighting forum where you can brag about it. This one's for football, which you seem to have no interest in.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
I'll be happy if we never play them again. Especially as it now has an 'added bonus'.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
I'd happily miss out that part of the rivalry. It's nothing to be proud of. Maybe instead of coming back here you could go and find some fighting forum where you can brag about it. This one's for football, which you seem to have no interest in.
Maybe not for you but it is for some people. It's a different of opinion for which he hasn't tried to diminish yours when trying to take the moral high ground. If it bothers you so much then just ignore it.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
I'd happily miss out that part of the rivalry. It's nothing to be proud of. Maybe instead of coming back here you could go and find some fighting forum where you can brag about it. This one's for football, which you seem to have no interest in.
Maybe not for you but it is for some people. It's a different of opinion for which he hasn't tried to diminish yours when trying to take the moral high ground. If it bothers you so much then just ignore it.
Damn right it's a difference of opinion, it's the difference between thinking hooliganism is a good thing and thinking it's abhorrent and antisocial. He hasn't diminished my opinion because he can't. I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, I already have it, as has anyone who finds morons fighting unacceptable. It's hardly a controversial stance. This forum has been full of people condemning the violent behaviour of Blues fans yesterday, and rightly so. It bothers a lot of us. It bothers me that we have our own morons too, so if one of them comes on here glorifying punching other people I don't see why any of us should just ignore it.
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The big bad Zulus have actually used that excuse after getting shown up by Villas firm. These are excuses I have heard from them over the years : you're too early (19/10/2003) we can't live with that (same day as the mob walked over the flyover) Villa hired nazis (rocky lane) Villa had Rangers Chelsea and Millwall (rocky lane) taxis were late (several times) the leader of the Villa firm had a knife (statement made in court over rocky lane) our taxis were late (several times) you had too many (macdonalds island) we had kids with us (same event) we didn't run from Villa we ran from the police (two different events) villa had knives and my own personal favourite "the police stitched us up and marched us into a big mob of villa" total spin doctors
blues use non football lads mainly black who have the been told bullshits that villa are nf c18.blues had Coventry lads with them 2002 at Mcdonalds island and wba at the White tower last year.
Can we knock this on the head please? It's not the time nor the place.
Yes, thank you.
It’s all very unpleasant.
what I've said is part of the rivalry, it shouldn't be missed out. I will leave till we play them next. As then it will be the time to talk about it again.
I'd happily miss out that part of the rivalry. It's nothing to be proud of. Maybe instead of coming back here you could go and find some fighting forum where you can brag about it. This one's for football, which you seem to have no interest in.
Maybe not for you but it is for some people. It's a different of opinion for which he hasn't tried to diminish yours when trying to take the moral high ground. If it bothers you so much then just ignore it.
Damn right it's a difference of opinion, it's the difference between thinking hooliganism is a good thing and thinking it's abhorrent and antisocial. He hasn't diminished my opinion because he can't. I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, I already have it, as has anyone who finds morons fighting unacceptable. It's hardly a controversial stance. This forum has been full of people condemning the violent behaviour of Blues fans yesterday, and rightly so. It bothers a lot of us. It bothers me that we have our own morons too, so if one of them comes on here glorifying punching other people I don't see why any of us should just ignore it.
He's not a moron and he's not glorifying it. Plus you haven't really grasped the point. No need to go on about it anymore as it would take too long to clarify.
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Why would it? Arguing over who is the hardest is, at best, juvenile. At worst, it is a sad indictment of us sinking to their level.
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He's not a moron and he's not glorifying it. Plus you haven't really grasped the point. No need to go on about it anymore as it would take too long to clarify.
Main reason not to go on about it is that a moderator has already asked for it to be knocked on the head. So again, let's leave it there.
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Quite a few I would knock on the head but had a great time yesterday ended up with apple all down me from the waffle I was too pissed to eat to great company back in the Windsor before being woken up by the conductor at manc Piccadilly. Got in to be faced with your a grown man blar blar blar utv and Fonza to Preston if I’m allowed out
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I reckon there’s around a dozen Villa in Newport Pagnell that I know of including family members
but no Blues to my knowledge
The Town is Ours
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Yeah I know several Villa in my town. I know one friendly Albion supporter who lives here and have seen one overweight twenty something woman in a Blues shirt. HORSHAM IS OURS.
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Yeah I know several Villa in my town. I know one friendly Albion supporter who lives here and have seen one overweight twenty something woman in a Blues shirt. HORSHAM IS OURS.
Excellent! Amongst all the discussions as to which part of the Birmingham area was mainly Villa or mainly Small Heath, I always believed that the true strategical war would be won on the battleground of Horsham. ;)
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Yeah I know several Villa in my town. I know one friendly Albion supporter who lives here and have seen one overweight twenty something woman in a Blues shirt. HORSHAM IS OURS.
Excellent! Amongst all the discussions as to which part of the Birmingham area was mainly Villa or mainly Small Heath, I always believed that the true strategical war would be won on the battleground of Horsham. ;)
There's definitely more Villa in Bognor Regis too! I watched the 5-1 game in a local pub that got the game through Turkish TV or somewhere. It was the same weekend that Butlins had an 80's weekender. The pub was pretty busy with revelers and a 50/50 split. They sang Keep Right On at kick off then that was it. I was a bit worried at it kicking off when we scored a couple but the 4th and 5th and I was jumping all over my new found friends!
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Lived in Andover in Hampshire for 10 years, in that time met plenty of Villa fans and not a single bluenose.
Andover is ours (well not mine any more, I moved back to Birmingham)
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Seen the Doug Ellis footage?
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
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Hang on a minute Newton in Merseyside? Ha ha - its Lancs nearer to Wigan than me. With students counted a fair few get on with the likes of Martin and myself at Lime Street and as for Crewe a good number waking me up when they get on. There is also the NW Supporters club who again contain some quite well known Villa.
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
I'll stick to turkey.
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Yeah I know several Villa in my town. I know one friendly Albion supporter who lives here and have seen one overweight twenty something woman in a Blues shirt. HORSHAM IS OURS.
Excellent! Amongst all the discussions as to which part of the Birmingham area was mainly Villa or mainly Small Heath, I always believed that the true strategical war would be won on the battleground of Horsham. ;)
You know it
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Enkleman would have been a top class goalie if he hadn't have been so scared of the ball
I'm sorry but this abomination does my head in. It is hadn't been, the have is redundant. I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't written it. ;-)
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Cheshire East is ours! You can’t move for Villa fans round here.....
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
Can't beat a bit of pork!
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
That reminds me of the time I was working on a building site in Liverpool city centre. Me and a few fellow brummies (60/40 villa) were in a boozer having a lively football debate and getting a few looks from the locals. I went for a piss and a very large Scouser followed me in and stood next to me at the trough. "you blues or villa?" he said. I thought here we go and replied "villa" and waited for him to kick off. "and me" he replied in a thick scouse accent. Turns out his grandad was from Perry Barr and his family are either Villa or Liverpool!! Fuck me I've never been so glad to meet a fellow villa fan.
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
That reminds me of the time I was working on a building site in Liverpool city centre. Me and a few fellow brummies (60/40 villa) was in a boozer having a lively football debate and getting a few looks from the locals. I went for a piss and a very large Scouser followed me in and stood next to me at the trough. "you blues or villa?" he said. I thought here we go and replied "villa" and waited for him to kick off. "and me" he replied in a thick scouse accent. Turns out his grandad was from Perry Barr and his family are either Villa or Liverpool!! Fuck me I've never been so glad to meet a fellow villa fan.
That made me chuckle!
There are a few Villa fans up here on Merseyside - even Formby where I live (North of the City) has its share and I am aware of a few in Southport and Preston
Formby has also had a fair share of ex Villa players as residents too - Unsworth (yes I know) Stan Staunton, Steve McMahon
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I live in downtown formby - Bootle
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Watched the game in Ilfracombe on Sunday. My daughters were worried about watching it in the pub until we walked in and saw about 10 Villa fans gathered round the bar, this at 11am.
Where I am now, St Austell, there is not a nose I know of, several Baggies and few more Villa.
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I see plenty of Villa joining me down the M6 on a weekend. Merseyside has a couple of Villa amongst the sea of red too.
Yesterday will be the last time I see a Nose till Christmas dinner.
That reminds me of the time I was working on a building site in Liverpool city centre. Me and a few fellow brummies (60/40 villa) was in a boozer having a lively football debate and getting a few looks from the locals. I went for a piss and a very large Scouser followed me in and stood next to me at the trough. "you blues or villa?" he said. I thought here we go and replied "villa" and waited for him to kick off. "and me" he replied in a thick scouse accent. Turns out his grandad was from Perry Barr and his family are either Villa or Liverpool!! Fuck me I've never been so glad to meet a fellow villa fan.
That made me chuckle!
There are a few Villa fans up here on Merseyside - even Formby where I live (North of the City) has its share and I am aware of a few in Southport and Preston
Formby has also had a fair share of ex Villa players as residents too - Unsworth (yes I know) Stan Staunton, Steve McMahon
Don’t forget Sean teale lives in ainsdale
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Glad to report no noses or stripey filth here in leafy Duxford...met a nice Wolves fan though...
Duxford is ours..:)
UTV
The Doc
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I live in downtown formby - Bootle
That brought a smile to my face - I moved up here all those years ago to work in Bootle - At the Giro :)
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Enkleman would have been a top class goalie if he hadn't have been so scared of the ball
I'm sorry but this abomination does my head in. It is hadn't been, the have is redundant. I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't written it. ;-)
Sarz, but I probably will do it again
especially now you mentioned it because i wroted it down
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I don't think I have ever encountered a native of Gloucestershire that was a nose.
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I don't think I have ever encountered a native of Gloucestershire that was a nose.
I've seen a Gloucester blues flag at one of their games on tv, inbreds one the move.
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... and don't believe the hype they all come from brum.
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moved down to towie land Chelmsford to be precise and theres claret and blue everywhere, someone pointed out to me that they are west ham shirts so I said villa cast offs you mean.
theres a few of us down here to including nigel spink
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I don't think I have ever encountered a native of Gloucestershire that was a nose.
Played poker in Vegas with a fella that said he was from Gloucestershire. Ah ha I say, you must be a Villa fan. Nope, he was Blues and his mate on another table was a Bluenose too. Spent the rest of the poker game trying to knock them out of it!
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I don't think I have ever encountered a native of Gloucestershire that was a nose.
Played poker in Vegas with a fella that said he was from Gloucestershire. Ah ha I say, you must be a Villa fan. Nope, he was Blues and his mate on another table was a Bluenose too. Spent the rest of the poker game trying to knock them out of it!
What part of the county have I not visited that clearly needs assistance with mental health issues?
Native is the key bit. I have met the odd nose that moved from "the smoke" but never one who just decided to follow them.
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Looking at some of the crowd shots on Sky on Sunday I’d suggest there is a vibrant Blues fan club in Sellafield
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Looking at some of the crowd shots on Sky on Sunday I’d suggest there is a vibrant Blues fan club in Sellafield
Yeah I thought that. The bulging eyes, monobrows and extra fingers were a bit of a giveaway.