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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: standing for rights on October 16, 2017, 08:10:49 PM
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Since the creation of the premiership, has football lost its working class identity, and have football fans lost there working class roots. Have we been brain washed, and socially engineered ??
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Here we go.
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The treatment of working class people in life is perfectly summed at football.
They deliberately under educate us to rip us of our identity and habits.
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This 'dont look back in anger' thing our fans do is the most up to date example.
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(http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/101720141506137.jpg)
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standing for rights, please give us your working class credentials.
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standing for rights, please give us your working class credentials.
North Birmingham.
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I'm middle class apparently. Can watch football?
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standing for rights, please give us your working class credentials.
North Birmingham.
We are posh in N Bham, dont you know
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
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standing for rights, please give us your working class credentials.
North Birmingham.
Sutton Coldfield?
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Born into poverty in Saltley. Now live in Nechells.
(I meant to tag this onto the post above) lol
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum. I am working class tory voter sometimes UKIP.
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum. I am working class tory voter sometimes UKIP.
That's not the most surprising thing I've read today.
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The Quorn Hunt at this point would sound "gone to earth".
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum. I am working class tory voter sometimes UKIP.
Oh dear that didn't take too long.
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum.
How to win friends and influence people.
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Since the creation of the premiership, has football lost its working class identity, and have football fans lost there working class roots. Have we been brain washed, and socially engineered ??
I think you have.
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acwilliams. Is that you?
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Since the creation of the premiership, has football lost its working class identity, and have football fans lost there working class roots. Have we been brain washed, and socially engineered ??
No
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This thread reminds me of one of my favourite quotes from Tenpole Tudor:
"Because it was just a good idea to be a nice guy and he will definitely keep the good news from all your recent comments."
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum. I am working class tory voter sometimes UKIP.
Bless.
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In fairness, there's no doubt that football has become much more corporate since 1992 (similar to other sports) and it'd be intersted to know how much average ticket prices have increased as a % against inflation - my guess is it's quite a lot.
You can only imagine what these figures at London clubs would look like.
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Seriously I couldn’t give a toss what class you are. Just get down the fucking ground and support the team.
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Another great quote, this time from the quiet one in the Pet Shop Boys:
"The only problem is that it has been such an amazing experience and I think I can find the right time to make a new man."
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Another great quote, this time from the quiet one in the Pet Shop Boys:
"The only problem is that it has been such an amazing experience and I think I can find the right time to make a new man."
Here's a quote from me. "That's enough for tonight Glenn"
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In fairness, there's no doubt that football has become much more corporate since 1992 (similar to other sports) and it'd be intersted to know how much average ticket prices have increased as a % against inflation - my guess is it's quite a lot.
You can only imagine what these figures at London clubs would look like.
It is a thread that could probably go on for some time, but there was definitely a shift in the 90's, with Euro 96 being a major part of that change. I think the general decrease in violence in and around grounds was another factor in that, but as I said it is a pretty weighty topic.
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If we are talking about being brainwashed I think we need look no further than anyone who describes themselves as working class could ever think about voting fucking Tory.
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If we are talking about being brainwashed I think we need look no further than anyone who describes themselves as working class could ever think about voting fucking Tory.
Not when you think of the alternatives.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
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Since the creation of the premiership, has football lost its working class identity, and have football fans lost there working class roots. Have we been brain washed, and socially engineered ??
It's the new world order. You'll be chipped soon.
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Sounds like they already have.
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I hope I can be crinkle cut.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
Damn right there is. I'm EDL, me.
http://www.edl.me/
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Define 'working class'.
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If we are talking about being brainwashed I think we need look no further than anyone who describes themselves as working class could ever think about voting fucking Tory.
Indeed. Come the revolution the first thing "They" will do is round up the intellectuals and execute them. I don't think Standing for Rights need be concerned.
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There hasn't half been some odd first posts from people recently.
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TAEK BAK ARE GAIM!
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Is football not just another example of a society that has commodified everything with little understanding that there is more to most things in life than just the monetary aspect? Health, education, entertainment, sport etc etc. I hate it but as with all things its not black and white. Undoubtedly grounds are more comfortable for supporters and you are less likely to get your head kicked-in at a game. Yet another example of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
Damn right there is. I'm EDL, me.
http://www.edl.me/
Hahaha! Superb! Don't Hate Gyrate!
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
not for them as they have been set up by zionists, zionists also want to destroy working class identity at football. Although I sympathise with the grass roots who have concerns.
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
He was nearly ok.
It was 93/94 that it was renamed as the Premiership, 92/93 it started as the Premier League.
So he was a year out on being correct. About that small point, at least.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
not for them as they have been set up by zionists, zionists also want to destroy working class identity at football. Although I sympathise with the grass roots who have concerns.
Zionists! He's a real cutie, this one.
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I do love it when horrid self-hating little englanders turn up on here.
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Its all about the marketing and Sky's influence over the game. Murdoch followed the same format as US sports in as much as a team of pundits, lots of angles of the same action sequence, discussion programs analysing the games, throwing money at thick footballers intending them to become the new Hollywood / Rock N Rollers. As a business you have to admire the marketing, advertising and selling skills - as a game it has gone to shit. Look at the build up wank fest to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' vs United and everyone knew it would not be "Game of the year" as penned but a Mourinhio inspired bore fest.
I have not watched a match or highlights at all this season unless Villa have been on it - as for the champions league I gave that up about 5 years ago when it went from a competition to a piggy bank for the cash rich clubs.
I genuinely cannot remember talking to some one about - "What a game that was last night"
As for class, football used to be the language of the world as everyone could connect with it - nowadays its all about the corporate endorsements and the evidence is clear to see in the corperate boxes post half time - more time to eat and drink than see the game. That connection with the actual sport is missing
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
Blimey. I originated as working class, and been fortunate to move up to middle class, (certainly in terms of salary), but im struggling to understand any of this last post
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
What did Tracey Crouch do to make football lose its working class identity? Was it her pushing for the FA to reform themselves, or her comments in support of gay footballers?
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
He was nearly ok.
It was 93/94 that it was renamed as the Premiership, 92/93 it started as the Premier League.
So he was a year out on being correct. About that small point, at least.
It hasn't been know as the Premiership since 06-07 season, so why do people still keep calling it that. Just a big point it's the PREMIER LEAGUE.
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Of course. There is always the EDL.
not for them as they have been set up by zionists, zionists also want to destroy working class identity at football. Although I sympathise with the grass roots who have concerns.
Zionists! He's a real cutie, this one.
Zonest marking has got lot to answer for.
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
He was nearly ok.
It was 93/94 that it was renamed as the Premiership, 92/93 it started as the Premier League.
So he was a year out on being correct. About that small point, at least.
It hasn't been know as the Premiership since 06-07 season, so why do people still keep calling it that. Just a big point it's the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Yes, I've been known to hold court on the matter before myself.
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Why do Zionist hate working class football?
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It's a good point Villa Lew makes about it not being called "the Premiership".
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It's a good point Villa Lew makes about it not being called "the Premiership.
It’s the Preeeemeurship, in best Deadly voice.
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Why do Zionist hate working class football?
They hate having to travel with the riff raff on the Football Specials preferring instead to go on the Zion train.
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Iron like a Lion in Zion.
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
Fuck me a full on Tory supporting Nazi. I reckon we’re struggling for an IQ of 80with this one. Love the “Labour the worst” trope as well. So sad that he can’t see his aspiration and patriotism is perfectly acceptable in Labour circles.
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How do you earn a living? Are you a member of Trade Union?
F the red waving commi scum. I am working class tory voter sometimes UKIP.
Ah of course the working class and football loving tory party 1) Hillsborough 2) I D Cards 3) David West ham Cameron
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Is this the dark web that I've heard so much about?
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Only if you turn the brightness down.
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Jeeeeesus! Politics, class, race, sexual orientation and religion...just a few things that shouldn't even be issues that cause problems on or around a football pitch.
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Jeeeeesus! Politics, class, race, sexual orientation and religion...just a few things that shouldn't even be issues that cause problems on or around a football pitch.
No need to blaspheme. Smiley yellow face.
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Fake news.
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Well I tell you one thing that has changed dramatically in the last 30 years and that's music gigs. Not just the prices they charge but the people who go. Back in the day people went to gigs to see a band they liked these days I seem to see so many people at them who aren't really interested in the band they are just there so that they could say they went. Particularly true of the O2 with there corporate 'fans ' there. Yes I know...off on a tangent
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Born into poverty in Saltley. Now live in Nechells.
(I meant to tag this onto the post above) lol
As twitter handles go, I've seen worse.
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
Blimey. I originated as working class, and been fortunate to move up to middle class, (certainly in terms of salary), but im struggling to understand any of this last post
What do you class as a middle class salary?
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Anything above minimum wage?
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
Blimey. I originated as working class, and been fortunate to move up to middle class, (certainly in terms of salary), but im struggling to understand any of this last post
What do you class as a middle class salary?
about 80k+ joint income i would guess
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word is the African car reverser political stance was middle of the road
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80k? Jesus. So much for me being upwardly mobile. Still in bottom bracket then.
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I cannot get out of my head the sketch on Not The Nine O'Clock News. " And here is a message for our viewers in the north. We are so sorry."
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Well I tell you one thing that has changed dramatically in the last 30 years and that's music gigs. Not just the prices they charge but the people who go. Back in the day people went to gigs to see a band they liked these days I seem to see so many people at them who aren't really interested in the band they are just there so that they could say they went. Particularly true of the O2 with there corporate 'fans ' there. Yes I know...off on a tangent
Would be great if venues would ban all mobile phones at gigs.
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Well I tell you one thing that has changed dramatically in the last 30 years and that's music gigs. Not just the prices they charge but the people who go. Back in the day people went to gigs to see a band they liked these days I seem to see so many people at them who aren't really interested in the band they are just there so that they could say they went. Particularly true of the O2 with there corporate 'fans ' there. Yes I know...off on a tangent
Would be great if venues would ban all mobile phones at gigs.
And people jabbering to their friends during a song.
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That the ACR should have a stance is a tortology. He was never actually observed in stationary mode. Since he was moving in a backwards direction in Trinity Rd. one should describe his politics as a movement.
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
He was nearly ok.
It was 93/94 that it was renamed as the Premiership, 92/93 it started as the Premier League.
So he was a year out on being correct. About that small point, at least.
It hasn't been know as the Premiership since 06-07 season, so why do people still keep calling it that. Just a big point it's the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Or the Preemier league as old deadly calls it.
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If were taking back are game, can Manchester United stop being pronounced Manchess United?
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Since the creation of the premiership
Bing! Bong! Dave to the thread please!
He was nearly ok.
It was 93/94 that it was renamed as the Premiership, 92/93 it started as the Premier League.
So he was a year out on being correct. About that small point, at least.
It hasn't been know as the Premiership since 06-07 season, so why do people still keep calling it that. Just a big point it's the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Or the Preemier league as old deadly calls it.
Bollox. Just noticed Chicago beat me to it two pages ago. FML
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80k? Jesus. So much for me being upwardly mobile. Still in bottom bracket then.
I don’t really know mate
I just said that to get the ball rolling as i thought it was an interesting question
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80k? Jesus. So much for me being upwardly mobile. Still in bottom bracket then.
I don’t really know mate
I just said that to get the ball rolling as i thought it was an interesting question
27k is quoted as the annual gross salary, so maybe that helps as a benchmark.
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
What did Tracey Crouch do to make football lose its working class identity? Was it her pushing for the FA to reform themselves, or her comments in support of gay footballers?
She is against safe standing at football, as supporters standing is not the visual perception her and Scudamore want of the game. They think it will put sponsors and commercial investment off, to them standing at football is a sign of hooliganism and unity of working classes. Which goes against their vision of the preimship or Premier league or what ever your want to call it.
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You're that former banned poster who continually went on about standing, aren't you?
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Well I tell you one thing that has changed dramatically in the last 30 years and that's music gigs. Not just the prices they charge but the people who go. Back in the day people went to gigs to see a band they liked these days I seem to see so many people at them who aren't really interested in the band they are just there so that they could say they went. Particularly true of the O2 with there corporate 'fans ' there. Yes I know...off on a tangent
When Guns n Roses toured this year, I said to a women I work with that I would be interested in going if tickets were a similar price to what I paid last time I saw them.
I thought 22.50 including coach travel was a fair price in these times of austerity. (Donington 1988, they were 4th on the bill behind Iron Maiden, Kiss and David Lee Roth)
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Bring back that comedy Nazi poster.
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I honestly struggle to understand whether the likes of stand up for rights and Glenn Peen are on the wind up or genuinely mental. Can we have a poll?
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I honestly struggle to understand whether the likes of stand up for rights and Glenn Peen are on the wind up or genuinely mental. Can we have a poll?
No, it only encourages them.
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one should describe his politics as a movement.
The politics of dancing
The politics of ooo feeling good
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I honestly struggle to understand whether the likes of stand up for rights and Glenn Peen are on the wind up or genuinely mental. Can we have a poll?
One might be the other is an opportunist surrealist troll.
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I honestly struggle to understand whether the likes of stand up for rights and Glenn Peen are on the wind up or genuinely mental. Can we have a poll?
Lets get back on message about that great British debate, class.
If they are mentalists they are clearly not working class. Mentalness/perceived nuttiness is for the middle and upper classes with their private counselling and rehab clinics. The working classes are much too busy leading nasty, brutish and short lives being exploited by mill and pit owners etc to have time for fruity loop depression/looniness stuff.
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It's still a working class game. When I was a player, I used to get the same bus to games as the fans did every week -and that was only ten years ago.
Admittedly, they might not have been fans of the Sunday league team I played for, just other people going somewhere on the bus.
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It's still a working class game. When I was a player, I used to get the same bus to games as the fans did every week -and that was only ten years ago.
Admittedly, they might not have been fans of the Sunday league team I played for, just other people going somewhere on the bus.
I thought for a brief second you were actually Ian Olney
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It's still a working class game. When I was a player, I used to get the same bus to games as the fans did every week -and that was only ten years ago.
Admittedly, they might not have been fans of the Sunday league team I played for, just other people going somewhere on the bus.
My Father told me the story of going to the match early one day on the tram and Peter McParland sat next to him - with boots and a sandwich
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It's still a working class game. When I was a player, I used to get the same bus to games as the fans did every week -and that was only ten years ago.
Admittedly, they might not have been fans of the Sunday league team I played for, just other people going somewhere on the bus.
My Father told me the story of going to the match early one day on the tram and Peter McParland sat next to him - with boots and a sandwich
I once saw Eamonn Deacey get off the bus at Witton island on a matchday. Think it may have been the No 7.
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My sister used to work at the sorting office in Newtown and sat in the canteen next to Paul Birch, who became a postman after retiring from football
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It's still a working class game. When I was a player, I used to get the same bus to games as the fans did every week -and that was only ten years ago.
Admittedly, they might not have been fans of the Sunday league team I played for, just other people going somewhere on the bus.
My Father told me the story of going to the match early one day on the tram and Peter McParland sat next to him - with boots and a sandwich
I once saw Eamonn Deacey get off the bus at Witton island on a matchday. Think it may have been the No 7.
Buses are for the elite few. I always walk to the ground in me clogs.
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Born into poverty in Saltley. Now live in Nechells.
(I meant to tag this onto the post above) lol
Yuppie.
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Born into poverty in Saltley. Now live in Nechells.
(I meant to tag this onto the post above) lol
Yuppie.
Luxury...
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Yes - I blame Thatcher.
can't blame one individual for the loss of working class identity at football, the tories played their part people like Tracy crouch. Labour the worst and when the identity was destroyed the most. At least under thatcher we had maggies boot boys and war which was in Great Britains interest.
Blimey. I originated as working class, and been fortunate to move up to middle class, (certainly in terms of salary), but im struggling to understand any of this last post
What do you class as a middle class salary?
Apparently there are no longer upper, middle and working classes. There are 7 new classes. Naturally I belong to the 'Elite'.
Check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973.
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In the BBC there is one class: Middle. That doesn't include the AI drones in HR though.
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I'm an "Emergent Service Worker", which is one better than "Scum".
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I'm 'Royalty'.
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I'm 'Peasant'.
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I am Kurious Oranj
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I'm an Emergent Service Worker. Wtf is that?
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Born into poverty in Saltley. Now live in Nechells.
(I meant to tag this onto the post above) lol
Yuppie.
Not my fault I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. (probably a stolen one)
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I'm an Emergent Service Worker. Wtf is that?
Judging by the above I'd say you eat orange chips and hunt clunge.
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My sister used to work at the sorting office in Newtown and sat in the canteen next to Paul Birch, who became a postman after retiring from football
I had a part time job in a cafe in Erdington. Ray Graydon came in one day and had a bacon and egg sandwich. I wasn't working that day. Alun Evans came in on another day I wasn't working.
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My sister used to work at the sorting office in Newtown and sat in the canteen next to Paul Birch, who became a postman after retiring from football
I had a part time job in a cafe in Erdington. Ray Graydon came in one day and had a bacon and egg sandwich. I wasn't working that day. Alun Evans came in on another day I wasn't working.
New Thread ?
"Who was the last celebrity you didn't see and what didn't you see them eating ?" :)
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I'm an Emergent Service Worker. Wtf is that?
Judging by the above I'd say you eat orange chips and hunt clunge.
Orange chips what are they?
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I'm an Emergent Service Worker. Wtf is that?
Judging by the above I'd say you eat orange chips and hunt clunge.
Orange chips what are they?
Black Country tapas
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I'm disappointed that there is only one other Bilderberg on H&V.
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Established middle class for me.
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From Handsworth to Elite. Hah.
I suspect it’s down to my immaculate musical taste and the fact that most of the people I know are teachers.
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Established middle class for me.
Same here. Ha!
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From Handsworth to Elite. Hah.
I suspect it’s down to my immaculate musical taste and the fact that most of the people I know are teachers.
I think I lost points for not noting listening to or visiting anything to do with music or the arts...
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Established middle class for me.
Same here. Ha!
You are to the established middle class, what I am to being a binman!
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My Dad's joke - from a more innocent age - was that we were so poor the travellers used to report us to the council.
Apologies if that strikes an offensive chord in these more enlightened times but it is a true story.
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My Dad's joke - from a more innocent age - was that we were so poor the travellers used to report us to the council.
Apologies if that strikes an offensive chord in these more enlightened times but it is a true story.
Depending on whether you go with the Cheltenham, London or Wolverhampton branch of the family, they would be Gypos, Pikey's or Tatters, Brian. So no offence taken here.
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Established middle class for me.
Same yer. Who know Glawstersheer was zo posh
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It's a question you'd have to ask someone on here in their teens/20's. Is there still a youngish tribal group of fans who go home/away and spend most their money from work like in my day? Back in the 80's and 90's when we were all "hooligans" and football wasn't fashionable or thought capable of generating the money currently that was the norm with a core of friends going every week as a ritual. I know some clubs still have it but i've no idea if we do. Getting old :(
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Back in the late 70's and 80's it was always a case of "how we getting there" for the away games - coach or soccer train special - never a thought of not going, it was our birth right to go everywhere. I remember queuing at Mold Trafford and paying £1.20 to get in the turnstile and being penned in like sardines behind fences. Long time before prawn sandwiches were even thought of. Pint / Pie and a Bovril for colder games was your lot. I especially liked the way you were treated like total scum by HRH finest on most away days although considering the indiscriminate violence and trashing of city centres in those days I am not surprised we were all branded like that.
When married and with kids the away games became less and less only going to some of the chosen better away days. Huge rows in the household as any family do clashing with the Villa clearly was a lost cause in trying to change it.
Nowadays maybe 1 away game a season and if if anything decent clashes (holiday flights / Concerts etc) VP comes a close 2nd.
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Elite. What horseshit.
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Spare some change, Guv?
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Elite. What horseshit.
I cleaned it up m'lord.
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I am Kurious Oranj
I am carrier bag man
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I am Kurious Oranj
I am carrier bag man
When I was s yoot, the bus into town along the A38 passed a cinema opposite St Catherine's church advertising the fillum I Am Curious Yellow.
Strange days indeed.
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I am Kurious Oranj
I am carrier bag man
When I was s yoot, the bus into town along the A38 passed a cinema opposite St Catherine's church advertising the fillum I Am Curious Yellow.
Strange days indeed.
Most peculiar momma
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The only thing that enables me to live with my vagabond ancestors is they might have been UKR's also.
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My sister used to work at the sorting office in Newtown and sat in the canteen next to Paul Birch, who became a postman after retiring from football
I had a part time job in a cafe in Erdington. Ray Graydon came in one day and had a bacon and egg sandwich. I wasn't working that day. Alun Evans came in on another day I wasn't working.
they were just telling you that so that you stayed in your job. Work in our cafe son and you’ll meet all your heroes - Brian Little will probably be in next week.... Bren, you’ll never guess who was in yesterday on your day off! Brian Little. Yes Really!!