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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 30, 2017, 04:57:59 PM
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3 out of 3 for me doing all the threads. All hail the king!
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Get in!
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We are right back in it now.
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That performance will have the top 6 shitting themselves.
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It might not have been pretty but another clean sheet, Kodjia gets one and now just 5 points off top spot. That’s one hell of a month for us.
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That's still only one decent home performance this season and we've a lot of the better teams in the division still to play.
Still, great to go into the next international break with a win and not be left for a fortnight to stew on a dismal draw or defeat against the bottom-placed team.
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Give the manager a break they've lost fcuk knows how many on the trot it was obvious they were going to park as many buses as possible. The sort of game that once again we would have drawn in previous times.
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Good result but having Taylor missing for a few games is a bit of a problem. Finishing the game in a 5311 is a concern as well, got the clean sheet so it's sort of justified but I'm not a fan of inviting on to us like that.
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3 points. All good.
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Massive 3 points, but a poor performance.
It's been a great run, but the level of performance will need to be substantially better against Wolves.
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An ugly win in an ugly division. I'll take it all day long over draws and defeats.
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This is the grind 'em football we have to accept from Bruce. It will be boring as hell a lot of the time. Infuriating but 3 points is welcome
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
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I was expecting Bolton to park the bus not us.
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
*phones immigration and customs*
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
Is there an option to pay to keep you away?
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Why do we make it so hard for ourselves? Have to say I didn't understand the Davis substitution unless was injured. I would have thought we would need him as an outlet the way it was going with us having our backs to the wall.
Thought Snodgrass did well and good to see Kodj off the mark especially after that miss when he should have squared it to Albert.
I'd like to see the Taylor sending off again. Didn't look red to me.
Still another 3 points and that's the main thing.
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Looking up. They came to frustrate, bully, and disrupt - was never going to be easy, and the win is what we needed. Now looking much better and a couple weeks rest before a big game. Well done Bruce and the lads
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thank mcgrath for that samba block near the end
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Up to 7th!!
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thank mcgrath for that samba block near the end
Between him and Snodgrass for MOTM.
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We were up to 6th until Bristol City scored again!
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Davis will have learned a lot today. Lost the physical battle with the two central defenders, but he will learn.
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If winning ugly was a competition,we've just won The Miss World version.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
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Form guide after today - nice to see Villa top
Team Last Six (oldest first) PTS
1 Aston Villa DDWWWW 14
2 Bristol City WDWDWW 14
3 Wolves WDWWLW 13
4 Sheffield United WWLWWL 12
5 Leeds United WWWLWL 12
6 Preston NE DWWDWD 12
7 Fulham DWLDWW 11
8 Norwich City LWDWDW 11
Needless to say, Wolves next game - HUGE
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion. Not sure that will be enough to get us into the top 6 come November.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
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We ground out that victory and I don't think anybody could argue.
We dominated without threatening.
I felt we were a little jaded to be honest. Whelan looked slower, Davis seemed fatigued as he couldn't hold the ball up and his touch was poor.
Hourihane was a bit too deep for me. There was no protection from the constant fouling; climbing, pushing, shirt pulling and that abomination of a referee, crikey. I cannot see what Taylor was sent off for, he appeared to win the ball. I will have to see it again.
No real threat from them until the 90th minute and we got good blocks in.
I thought the subs were the right ones to make. When we stopped playing it so direct, we moved the ball a lot quicker and could have scored a couple, actually working their keeper.
The performance was nowhere as slick as Burton, but we found a way to win. That defence as well is solid as a rock.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
We're closer to El Salvador 70/ Zaire 74!!
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Win's a win and up to top 6. Improve the performance, but not going to complain at 12 from 12.
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Win's a win and up to top 6. Improve the performance, but not going to complain at 12 from 12.
We're not top 6.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
We're closer to El Salvador 70/ Zaire 74!!
👏👏👏
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
Could be transgender.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
Could be transgender.
Uncle Sally is still an uncle till he loses his spuds.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
We've just won four on the bounce, scored 10 goals, conceded 1 and he sounds gutted.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
LOL. And we could easily have won 2-0 had Kod passed when he should have. Swings and roundabouts. We won, thats it. And if you give me winning over playing like Brazil, I'll take winning first and then playing like Brazil. When Leeds won the league title, I dont think they cared much about either how they played or how they were perceived.
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
We've just won four on the bounce, scored 10 goals, conceded 1 and he sounds gutted.
Just bored, you will cause me of being a blue nose next.
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The ref was utterly deplorable.
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Bored of winning?
We didn't play particularly well today, but in context, it doesn't matter. We found a way to win again,for the fourth game in a row.
I'm far from bored, but I enjoy us winning.
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In a way it's good to see we can still win ugly :)
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Oh no. It's not, is it?
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
Do they?
Bolton didn't and could easily have got a draw.
If my aunts had bollocks.
LOL. And we could easily have won 2-0 had Kod passed when he should have. Swings and roundabouts. We won, thats it. And if you give me winning over playing like Brazil, I'll take winning first and then playing like Brazil. When Leeds won the league title, I dont think they cared much about either how they played or how they were perceived.
Which title? I would argue they were attractive to watch all three times
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Win's a win and up to top 6. Improve the performance, but not going to complain at 12 from 12.
We're not top 6.
Oh yeah 7th, but we're getting there. Next game against Wolves is going to be very interesting.
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The ref was utterly deplorable.
I've mentioned before how bad some of the refs are in the Championship but this one was the worst I recall. As shockingly crap as he was it doesn't excuse how pointless we were today. A game where you're grateful for the 3 points and try and bleach the game from your memory. Thank god for the international break, it couldn't come at a better time.
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It certainly didn't sound like sparkling fare today, but another 3 points & a clean sheet isn't to be sniffed at. Here's hoping for a similar outcome in the showdown with Wolves.
UTV
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That was an awful performance and shows why Bruce will ultimately come up short.
Yeah, because all of the competition in this division play like a combo of Brazil 70/ Holland 74 every single week.
We're closer to El Salvador 70/ Zaire 74!!
👏👏👏
Hahaha! Superb!
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
I thought it was an argubot?
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This is one of those games that come Monday we won't care how we played, we took the points. Winning is lovely
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Ugly win but the three points is all that matters. The referee was an absolute joke today I'd like to see the red again I didn't think it was. Interesting to see Terry having us kick into the Holte again first half, not the first time he's done that this season. Good to go into the break with a win next month will be the real test of where we are.
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Win is a win!
Performance was poor, do genuinely feel sorry for Whelan & Hourihane, in front of them is still not quite right as they look up and see 4 stood in a row not really moving for them - there is a definite role for someone to play centrally as a 10 linking the centre of midfield to the forwards, whether that is a Snodgrass or Grealish when fit? So difficult to get the balance right.
What the hell was Kodjia doing not squaring that ball to Adomah? Got out of jail winning the penalty but hope was an appalling bit of play.
Referee - haha!!!
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Lovely to have his boundless optimism and enthusiasm on board again.
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The ref had a certain Mr Mainwaring quality to him.Even his kit captured the vibe of it.You can tell he had that vague feeling of incompetence when both sides were agast at his levels of (in)ability
Although,from my view Kodija appeared miles offside for his one on one..Which we gained the penalty from the resulting corner.
Very pleasing that the Terry/Chester axis of destruction appears to be extremely solid now.Also,honourable mentions to Snodgrass (combined well with Elhomandy in the second) and Hourihane who both looked lively.Thought Whelan did well mopping up too,despite the murmurs around me.
We've now got a platform for the hard slog ahead,and whilst we can't afford another winless run,followed by Brucie back to basics,we have put ourselves in the pack.With momentum.Good
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We ground out that victory and I don't think anybody could argue.
We dominated without threatening.
I felt we were a little jaded to be honest. Whelan looked slower, Davis seemed fatigued as he couldn't hold the ball up and his touch was poor.
Hourihane was a bit too deep for me. There was no protection from the constant fouling; climbing, pushing, shirt pulling and that abomination of a referee, crikey. I cannot see what Taylor was sent off for, he appeared to win the ball. I will have to see it again.
No real threat from them until the 90th minute and we got good blocks in.
I thought the subs were the right ones to make. When we stopped playing it so direct, we moved the ball a lot quicker and could have scored a couple, actually working their keeper.
The performance was nowhere as slick as Burton, but we found a way to win. That defence as well is solid as a rock.
Highlights are up on sky - here (http://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-bolton/374739) - it's a definite red for me, studs up a foot off the floor, it's the same stupid challenge he made against Coleman in the wales/ireland game.
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If we go up, we'll look back at that win as to how we did it. We had to work for it and we're going to get those now and again. I'm really pleased with it.
And yes, the ref was diabolical.
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Every night Before he goes to bed, Bruce should offer up a prayer and thank the lord for Kodjia.
It’s no coincidence that our successful September has coincided with his return to the team, and it was only his magic feet today that caused them Bolton problems that gave us the win.
Yes, it’s nice to grind out results when you are not playing well, but fucking hell it was boring.
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Happy with another 3 points and another clean sheet, onwards and upwards.
And some are still whining when were winning.
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How was it today? Didn't manage to catch any of it
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
If you try and fly home by Ryanair there might be an outside chance you'll still be out of the country by the time kick-off rolls around.
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
If you try and fly home by Ryanair there might be an outside chance you'll still be out of the country by the time kick-off rolls around.
He'll be lucky to be back in time for the home match against them.
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Tremendous.
3 points.
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Watched it on the facebook live feed at work.... who made the block in injury time? That was immense.
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Watched it on the facebook live feed at work.... who made the block in injury time? That was immense.
Samba.
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When did we last win four league games in a row?
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Watched it on the facebook live feed at work.... who made the block in injury time? That was immense.
Samba.
Nice one, I was waiting for the net to bulge on that one.
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How was it today? Didn't manage to catch any of it
Bolton forums will say unlucky. We'll say gritty. The world says awful.
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How was it today? Didn't manage to catch any of it
We won. Blues didn't. The stripey ****** conceded in injury time. The world should be a happy place.
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How was it today? Didn't manage to catch any of it
Bolton forums will say unlucky. We'll say gritty. The world says awful.
The stats books say 3 points.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-bolton/374739)
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Well done Villa on getting the result and another 3 points today! Onwards and upwards hopefully!
Did I hear right, that scum conceded 6 today? Haha
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How was it today? Didn't manage to catch any of it
Bolton forums will say unlucky. We'll say gritty. The world says awful.
The stats books say 3 points.
You're both right.
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I wish that was a "now and again" situation where you have to grind out a win but I've been to three out of the last four home games and been left bored shitless by all of them. Slow, ponderous, negative and error prone. I had free tickets today courtesy of the ticket office after them screwing up on my last visit (fair play to them) but I still felt ripped off. Entertainment value was practically zero. Somehow we've picked up 7 points in those games which you can't really argue with but this is, to me, awful awful football. I can't remember three home games I've seen us so dull in around 50 years of supporting. The results have been as much down to the paucity of the opposition and a bit of good fortune as anything else. I think the better teams in this league would have left with the points in all three games. For me Hourihane should be playing a no. 10 role and threading balls forward, He seems to have been told to sit deep and play it backwards and sideways to keep possession. We knock it around a bit between Whelan, Hourihane and the back four and then it's a percentage hoof forward for Davis to hold or Kodija to run onto or out wide to Adomah or Snodgrass. No attempt to play a bit of pass and move through the middle. No wonder Hogan is struggling to get chances. I think our current run highlights just how poor this league is rather than how good we have become. Bruce may be able to grind his way out of this division again but you don't need to look far to see why he's never really succeeded at a higher level.
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I thought we played ok today and any criticism is extremely harsh when you have to put up with a refereeing team as inept as the one we endured today
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Well done Villa on getting the result and another 3 points today! Onwards and upwards hopefully!
Did I hear right, that scum conceded 6 today? Haha
They won injury time 1-0.....
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
Is there an option to pay to keep you away?
I have set up a gofundcdbullyweefan keep out of the country website. Please donate.
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
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The ref was a clown and managed to hack off both teams which is quite a feat. Their two CBs were were fouling Davis in particular non-stop. But it was the ref overruling the lino's offside flag that led to us winning the corner that eventually led to the penalty. And it wasn't the ref who made us play backwards and sideways most of the time and at a painfully slow tempo yet again.
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That performance will have the top 6 shitting themselves.
There is no such thing a top six team at the moment and current lot in there at the moment will soon be f**ked off.
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Didnt see it, but it sounds ugly. I will take the points but as others have said it doesnt bode well against better opposition.
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I thought we played ok today and any criticism is extremely harsh when you have to put up with a refereeing team as inept as the one we endured today
At last. My question from earlier gets its reply. 😜
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KT, I share your views by and large on both of your posts. I was away for the Norwich match and, to date, I have yet to witness Villa playing with any urgency at home. Terry, for me, is making the wrong choice as wants to kick towards Holte End in the first half, which really pisses me off. However, today, we had Bolton wasting as much time as possible from the word go and, the referee certainly didn't help our cause. Having said that, why go so defensive with the subs with 20 minutes still to go.
Overall, I'm very happy with another 3 points but, really need to up our game and tempo for the matches in October.
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That performance will have the top 6 shitting themselves.
There is no such thing a top six team at the moment and current lot in there at the moment will soon be f**ked off.
Surely there is though? I would suggest, if you look at the table, it would be the actual top 6.
What's confusing you here?
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KT, I share your views by and large on both of your posts. I was away for the Norwich match and, to date, I have yet to witness Villa playing with any urgency at home. Terry, for me, is making the wrong choice as wants to kick towards Holte End in the first half, which really pisses me off. However, today, we had Bolton wasting as much time as possible from the word go and, the referee certainly didn't help our cause. Having said that, why go so defensive with the subs with 20 minutes still to go.
Overall, I'm very happy with another 3 points but, really need to up our game and tempo for the matches in October.
I agree, and if Bruce is a "proper" manager he must realise this. Lets enjoy the winning run and wait and see.
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There was only ever going to be one team trying to win today and another who played with all gamesmanship traditions installed by Alladyce in their golden period. The way they fouled endlessly just before the contact completely fooled the referee and fair play to our players for not rising to it and keeping their cool.
An easy win against anti football I thought only made nervous at the end because of the score.
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Massive 3 points, but a poor performance.
It's been a great run, but the level of performance will need to be substantially better against Wolves.
This
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The ref was a clown and managed to hack off both teams which is quite a feat. Their two CBs were were fouling Davis in particular non-stop. But it was the ref overruling the lino's offside flag that led to us winning the corner that eventually led to the penalty. And it wasn't the ref who made us play backwards and sideways most of the time and at a painfully slow tempo yet again.
And a voice of reason raises itself above the cacophony.
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That performance will have the top 6 shitting themselves.
There is no such thing a top six team at the moment and current lot in there at the moment will soon be f**ked off.
Surely there is though? I would suggest, if you look at the table, it would be the actual top 6.
What's confusing you here?
I am just incapable. Incapable of understanding that table is set with "top six" teams after 11 games but capable of thinking that there might be two different teams in those 6 positions after the next game and more so at xmas maybe with an entirely different top 6.
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It's only fair that we don't accept the 3 points today, hopefully that will cheer 'Villa75' up a bit. Maybe a new rule where any team deemed to be 'shit' like Burton or Bolton should be given a two goal head start?
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Are you Marty McFly? 😲
I'm talking about the top 6 after our game today. I'm insinuating that they will watch our performance against Bolton and think we are not as good as everyone thought.
It could actually work in our favour, come to think of it.
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It's only fair that we don't accept the 3 points today, hopefully that will cheer 'Villa75' up a bit. Maybe a new rule where any team deemed to be 'shit' like Burton or Bolton should be given a two goal head start?
Ignore me.
I'm just grumpy, as I thought we had turned a corner. Whereas we probably haven't. We've just played a lot of the dross recently.
I'll be better in the morning.
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
Can De Laet or Bree play @ Left Back ??? or he could move Hutton over
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Ground out a win in a game we would have drawn or lost 0-1 not long ago. Now the proper games begin after the International break, starting with a massive game at Wolves. A win would really put down a marker and show we mean business. A comfortable defeat will show us where we're at and we'll more than likely be looking at play offs rather than automatic.
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
Can De Laet or Bree play @ Left Back ??? or he could move Hutton over
I hope I am wrong, but I expect him to play Bjarnason there.
Pleased with the point,but expected more goals and a better performance.
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Ground out a win in a game we would have drawn or lost 0-1 not long ago. Now the proper games begin after the International break, starting with a massive game at Wolves. A win would really put down a marker and show we mean business. A comfortable defeat will show us where we're at and we'll more than likely be looking at play offs rather than automatic.
They're all proper games.
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
Can De Laet or Bree play @ Left Back ??? or he could move Hutton over
I hope I am wrong, but I expect him to play Bjarnason there.
Pleased with the point,but expected more goals and a better performance.
Typo'?
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
Can De Laet or Bree play @ Left Back ??? or he could move Hutton over
I hope I am wrong, but I expect him to play Bjarnason there.
No, No and triple no.............
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Aha detective !
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For all the ordinariness that followed, there's still no better place to be on a Saturday afternoon.
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A scrappy win was the minimum required today, and we got it. The question is whether that will be looked upon as a gritty result by a good team not at our best, or whether the performance was a warning that this little run is unsustainable playing like we do at home. Whichever way it falls, I don't think today is the time to be criticising Bruce. He has bought himself a bit of time, with some decent wins and a some 'poorer' ones.
I think the subs he made were more or less the sensible ones to make (I do feel sorry for Hogan when he plays up front alone), but we shouldn't have got to the stage where we needed Samba to help us see it though. We should have been out of sight by then. Two weeks to prepare for a big match that will tell us a lot more about how good we are. And to train someone to play left back....
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
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I think the ban for Taylor will only be one game as the red card wasn't violent conduct.
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It's only fair that we don't accept the 3 points today, hopefully that will cheer 'Villa75' up a bit.
I've written a letter of apology to the spirit of William McGregor.
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When did we last win four league games in a row?
Back in the day when I was young we often won more than a ....
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Went to the game earlier and have to start with referee really. I've seen some really poor ones in this league, but that clown today was the worst yet. He veered from blowing up for everything to not giving anything and from my vantage posing in the North Stand, the red card for Taylor looked ridiculously harsh. Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks would have been OK playing centre half for them today as he let them and Carl Henry wrestle Davis and Kodjia any time the ball went near them. Those three got away with loads of fouls before they were eventually booked.
As for us, well we weren't very convincing today. They were physical and spoiled it and we did have some decent play at times, but we didn't really show any ambition to go and take the game away from Bolton. Have to pull Bruce up for his subs today. The two CBs who had been fouling Kodjia and Davis all game had finally both just gone in the book and were visibly tiring, when Bruce decided to take our front two off and bring on Hogan and Onomah. As usual, Hogan didn't really threaten them at all and the ball came straight back meaning that they were able to put a bit of pressure on us in the final stages. Kodjia is returning from injury, so I can understand him going off, but Davis should have stayed on a bit longer and caused them more problems.
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I thought the subs were fine but he made them too early. I thought Hogan did well when he came on actually though, he must be a nightmare to defend against when you're knackered or on a yellow.
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I thought the subs were fine but he made them too early. I thought Hogan did well when he came on actually though, he must be a nightmare to defend against when you're knackered or on a yellow.
Most defenders seem to have coped quite well.
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Poor game but my 6 year old saw his first league win - 5th time lucky! He was chanting "villa win" on the way out and a group of lads joined in and made his day. Still talking about it now - first time I've seen him excited about Villa.
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It's only fair that we don't accept the 3 points today, hopefully that will cheer 'Villa75' up a bit.
I've written a letter of apology to the spirit of William McGregor.
For the 'football' we 'play'? Good idea.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
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Agree with Clampy about the subs being better than I expected but made too early. Hogan does not look so slow against a tired defence. The referee's performance was atrocious. He spoiled the game. Bolton sussed out his pedantic incompetence very early and filled their boots with a string of unpunished mayhem particularly against Davis and Kodjia. I have never seen so many handballs go unpunished.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Get rid of one bore and another steps up.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Troy? Is that you?
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Terry seem to lose a bit of concentration in the second half.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Get rid of one bore and another steps up.
Why? Who did we just get rid of before you posted?
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Get rid of one bore and another steps up.
Why? Who did we just get rid of before you posted?
I think you have a very small penis and a very underdeveloped brain.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Get rid of one bore and another steps up.
Why? Who did we just get rid of before you posted?
I think you have a very small penis and a very underdeveloped brain.
And that's the best your brain can come up with!?
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Say no paulie.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Get rid of one bore and another steps up.
Why? Who did we just get rid of before you posted?
I think you have a very small penis and a very underdeveloped brain.
And that's the best your brain can come up with!?
It is. Troll.
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Let's end it right there.
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Ground out a win in a game we would have drawn or lost 0-1 not long ago. Now the proper games begin after the International break, starting with a massive game at Wolves. A win would really put down a marker and show we mean business. A comfortable defeat will show us where we're at and we'll more than likely be looking at play offs rather than automatic.
They're all proper games.
But you know that you get 4 points for winning a proper game?
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Is it Silhill? If so, I claim it on the 23rd in the Bruce Out thread.
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4/5 points max coming in October, in my opinion.
Why be so gloomy after 14 points from 18 and 4 wins on the bounce, SilhillVilla Villa75?
Fuck me. I must be 'The man of a thousand faces'!
Who was it you guys reckoned I was last week?
More to the point. How many points do you think we will get from the next three games?
I thought 5 was quite optimistic, considering we're only playing one shite team in the next three.
I'm not worried about the next three games at the moment, I'm too busy being happy about the last four.
Good for you. Is it OK if others look ahead though? Or should we wait until you're ready?
Say no paulie.
No, we don't have to wait?
I do hope so. Forecasting is half the fun on here.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
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I thought the subs were fine but he made them too early. I thought Hogan did well when he came on actually though, he must be a nightmare to defend against when you're knackered or on a yellow.
Sorry, just don't see it with Hogan and I thought their defenders looked far more comfortable when he came on. That said I think it would have been OK if Hogan had come on for Kodjia and Davis had stayed on. As soon as Davis goes off we lose our physical presence up front and defenders look far more comfortable.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
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I reckon Spurs would give their high teeth for a ground out and largely uneventful 1-0 win over Burnley or Swansea at home. Especially as a scrappy 1-0 will be the difference between them finishing 3rd and winning the title.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
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I reckon Spurs would give their high teeth for a ground out and largely uneventful 1-0 win over Burnley or Swansea at home. Especially as a scrappy 1-0 will be the difference between them finishing 3rd and winning the title.
I bet they wouldn't give you anything for doing it against Bolton in the 2nd division though.
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With some reasonable wins and performances recently an iffy performance (but still claiming the victory) is fine.
Sets us up nicely for the Tatters away.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
Indeed.
Being new, he probably thinks I'm a happy clapper.
Which says it all, really.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
If my posts class as someone "losing their shit", you must be a very sensitive soul.
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Please, don't block him. There's plenty of fun to be had yet.
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Sounded a scrappy Bruce specialty win.
Still can't grumble too much at four straight wins, funny how we suddenly look more convincing away from home.
Taylor red concerns me though. Who's going to play left back at Wolves? Not really a game to go with someone out of position.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
If my posts class as someone "losing their shit", you must be a very sensitive soul.
I post, and have posted, on loads of interwebs forums over the years. When a new poster comes along, doesn't lurk before posting to see if the vibe of the place is right for them and just starts shitposting and antagonizing long-standing forum members, it only ever ends one way.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
Indeed.
Being new, he probably thinks I'm a happy clapper.
Which says it all, really.
Not at all.
But I don't see why my suggestion of 4/5 points from 3 games is such a ludicrous suggestion. We've managed that, and less, plenty of times. Even recently.
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The refereeing seems to get worse every match, but this bloke was atrocious. He allowed their defenders to do as they wished and ultimately destroy the spectacle.
Saying that we stayed strong and deservedly won. Could have been more if Kodjia had passed to Adomah or Terry had taken his chance from the free kick. But as they say better to win ugly than not at all.
I, for one, am a very satisfied Villan with what Bruce and his team have accomplished in September.
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Couldn’t give a flying shit about the performance (though I don’t think we were too bad actually) all I want is 3 points and we got them. It’s all about results.
Well done, Villa!
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Terry seem to lose a bit of concentration in the second half.
I thought he was excellent, yet again. Barely breaks into a sweat and his defending is effortless and distribution superb.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
Indeed.
Being new, he probably thinks I'm a happy clapper.
Which says it all, really.
Not at all.
But I don't see why my suggestion of 4/5 points from 3 games is such a ludicrous suggestion. We've managed that, and less, plenty of times. Even recently.
The question is why go out of your way to be gloomy about the future when you could just enjoy the present - four wins on the bounce?
It doesn't mean Bruce has become Guardiola overnight. It doesn't mean the last six or seven grim seasons didn't happen, and it doesn't mean we'll go on winning matches - this being Villa, that's highly likely not to be the case.
The point wasn't that any of that is wrong, it was that you could just enjoy the result today, and those of the last few weeks, and not worry too much about what is to come.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
If my posts class as someone "losing their shit", you must be a very sensitive soul.
I post, and have posted, on loads of interwebs forums over the years. When a new poster comes along, doesn't lurk before posting to see if the vibe of the place is right for them and just starts shitposting and antagonizing long-standing forum members, it only ever ends one way
You don't think there is an element of long-standing forum members antagonizing new posters then?
I read this forum for years. I also read the rules when I joined. I know attacking posters is against the rules.
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It's only fair that we don't accept the 3 points today, hopefully that will cheer 'Villa75' up a bit. Maybe a new rule where any team deemed to be 'shit' like Burton or Bolton should be given a two goal head start?
Ignore me.
I'm just grumpy, as I thought we had turned a corner. Whereas we probably haven't. We've just played a lot of the dross recently.
I'll be better in the morning.
I think we will be better against teams who play a bit more expansive. It's not perfect, we aren't wonderful on the eye and have limitations but we ground out a win today and that will do for me in the short term.
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3 points. Well done! Continue.
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Poor game but my 6 year old saw his first league win - 5th time lucky! He was chanting "villa win" on the way out and a group of lads joined in and made his day. Still talking about it now - first time I've seen him excited about Villa.
Fantastic, it's those little moments that can make all the bad times worth it in the end.
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Did well to stand up to some robust defending. A little frustrating at times, but a job well done.
Shame Taylor took the rosy glow off the day by getting himself sent off. Not sure it will be a successful appeal.
UTV
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
Indeed.
Being new, he probably thinks I'm a happy clapper.
Which says it all, really.
Not at all.
But I don't see why my suggestion of 4/5 points from 3 games is such a ludicrous suggestion. We've managed that, and less, plenty of times. Even recently.
The question is why go out of your way to be gloomy about the future when you could just enjoy the present - four wins on the bounce?
It doesn't mean Bruce has become Guardiola overnight. It doesn't mean the last six or seven grim seasons didn't happen, and it doesn't mean we'll go on winning matches - this being Villa, that's highly likely not to be the case.
The point wasn't that any of that is wrong, it was that you could just enjoy the result today, and those of the last few weeks, and not worry too much about what is to come.
I'm not going out of my way. I'm always a miserable bastard.
Seriously though. I should be more pleased about yet another win. Being a natural pessimist I suppose I worry about the two big derbys coming up. A resounding win today might have put my mind at rest.
Oh well. Bollocks to it. No point worrying two weeks ahead.
I'm off for some beers.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
If my posts class as someone "losing their shit", you must be a very sensitive soul.
I post, and have posted, on loads of interwebs forums over the years. When a new poster comes along, doesn't lurk before posting to see if the vibe of the place is right for them and just starts shitposting and antagonizing long-standing forum members, it only ever ends one way
You don't think there is an element of long-standing forum members antagonizing new posters then?
I'm sorry you feel that way. This place has been gloomy for years, let people enjoy it instead of pissing on their chips. It's tedious.
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I did not say Terry played badly. He played well. Probably MOTM. The mix-up of Johnstone's and the melee in our goalmouth at the end that could have resulted in an equaliser were untypical wobbles that have been virtually eliminated in our defence since Terry bedded in.
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What a dreadful game.
Whelan seems to get worse by the game - I was hoping that Onomah might come on for him. Watching the current manager's teams is really very tedious. Delighted for the points, less enamoured by mind-numbing football.
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It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
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Kudos to the people in the lower North Stand - the flags and banners look great from the Holte.
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It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
I beg to differ. It was just as tedious as large chunks of the Brentford and Forest games were.
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I love it when someone who only joined a month ago knows so much about this place.
What am I claiming to know about the place?
You should probably know that you're well on the way to the banhammer.
People usually get banned from here for losing their shit when Villa are losing every week. You're getting all pissy after a 4th straight win - it's mental.
If my posts class as someone "losing their shit", you must be a very sensitive soul.
I post, and have posted, on loads of interwebs forums over the years. When a new poster comes along, doesn't lurk before posting to see if the vibe of the place is right for them and just starts shitposting and antagonizing long-standing forum members, it only ever ends one way
You don't think there is an element of long-standing forum members antagonizing new posters then?
I'm sorry you feel that way. This place has been gloomy for years, let people enjoy it instead of pissing on their chips. It's tedious.
Fair enough. Looking at them I can see how my posts my come across as that, although it's not my intention. I'll be a bit more thoughtful in future, as I certainly don't want to spoil other people's enjoyment. As you say, we need to enjoy these relative good times, after what we have all suffered.
Apologies, guys.
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You're begging to differ what? That we looked excellent Tuesday, that we looked tired today? That it was a very physical game?
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Kudos to the people in the lower North Stand - the flags and banners look great from the Holte.
That's why Terry has been honouring them by attacking Witton End in the second half.
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Went to the game earlier and have to start with referee really. I've seen some really poor ones in this league, but that clown today was the worst yet. He veered from blowing up for everything to not giving anything and from my vantage posing in the North Stand, the red card for Taylor looked ridiculously harsh. Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks would have been OK playing centre half for them today as he let them and Carl Henry wrestle Davis and Kodjia any time the ball went near them. Those three got away with loads of fouls before they were eventually booked.
As for us, well we weren't very convincing today. They were physical and spoiled it and we did have some decent play at times, but we didn't really show any ambition to go and take the game away from Bolton. Have to pull Bruce up for his subs today. The two CBs who had been fouling Kodjia and Davis all game had finally both just gone in the book and were visibly tiring, when Bruce decided to take our front two off and bring on Hogan and Onomah. As usual, Hogan didn't really threaten them at all and the ball came straight back meaning that they were able to put a bit of pressure on us in the final stages. Kodjia is returning from injury, so I can understand him going off, but Davis should have stayed on a bit longer and caused them more problems.
Agree with much of that except I thought Hogan did well putting himself about, given the limited to shocking service he gets. I thought exactly the same with the substitution of Davis, with both CBs on a yellow the obvious tactic was to keep him on as they couldn't keep on stopping him with fouls. And it would have been nice to see Hogan playing off Davis to see how they could have linked up. But that's Brucie for you.
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You're begging to differ what? That we looked excellent Tuesday, that we looked tired today? That it was a very physical game?
Sorry I thought you meant today wasn't tedious. It was. As were at least two of the last three home games.
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It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
I beg to differ. It was just as tedious as large chunks of the Brentford and Forest games were.
I disagree as well, I don't think t was tedious either. There are going to be games where it's going to be tough, it's just the way it is. Not every team is going to roll over and die after going a goal down just because they're down the bottom. I thought we did ok to be honest.
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It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
I beg to differ. It was just as tedious as large chunks of the Brentford and Forest games were.
Which one of the two quotes you are begging to differ? ;)
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You're begging to differ what? That we looked excellent Tuesday, that we looked tired today? That it was a very physical game?
Sorry I thought you meant today wasn't tedious. It was. As were at least two of the last three home games.
Just because you thought it was tedious, doesn't mean anyone else has to think the same.
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We still had a decent amount of good moments today. Snodgrass is beginning to do a job for us.
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Just want to say, fantastic support again today. 31,500 against a side like Bolton, and we're not even in the top 6. Well done all.
As soon as I save up some more money I'll join you. 👍
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But Clampy you're talking as if today is an exception, when in reality it's the norm for our recent home games. Norwich was the exception.
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You're begging to differ what? That we looked excellent Tuesday, that we looked tired today? That it was a very physical game?
Sorry I thought you meant today wasn't tedious. It was. As were at least two of the last three home games.
Just because you thought it was tedious, doesn't mean anyone else has to think the same.
I never said they did, I'm expressing my opinion , based on nearly 50 years of watching Villa, not telling you or anyone else what to think.
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But Clampy you're talking as if today is an exception, when in reality it's the norm for our recent home games. Norwich was the exception.
But that still doesn't mean other people shouldn't find today tedious. You did and maybe others did, that's fine. I didn't and maybe others didn't either. Simple really.
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Blimey Taylor straight red, thought he was last man or something.
Out of the derby aswell. Left back is now a problem.
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But Clampy you're talking as if today is an exception, when in reality it's the norm for our recent home games. Norwich was the exception.
But that still doesn't mean other people shouldn't find today tedious. You did and maybe others did, that's fine. I didn't and maybe others didn't either. Simple really.
Why have you got it into your head that I think everyone should agree with me? You're just being a bit strange now.
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Gordon Bennett this thread is tetchy tonight! I shudder to think what would have happened if we’d lost.
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But Clampy you're talking as if today is an exception, when in reality it's the norm for our recent home games. Norwich was the exception.
But that still doesn't mean other people shouldn't find today tedious. You did and maybe others did, that's fine. I didn't and maybe others didn't either. Simple really.
Why have you got it into your head that I think everyone should agree with me? You're just being a bit strange now.
Ok, we'll leave it there.
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But Clampy you're talking as if today is an exception, when in reality it's the norm for our recent home games. Norwich was the exception.
But that still doesn't mean other people shouldn't find today tedious. You did and maybe others did, that's fine. I didn't and maybe others didn't either. Simple really.
Well I found it tedious and I accept that is a subjective view. Objectively, we had 3 shots on target against the bottom team in the division who had a goal difference of -17 fairly early in.the season.
If we have to do this against all sides that park the bus with the same outcome, then I will be a happy bunny, but I will not say it wasn't tedious.
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People are tetchy as far too.many expected us to simply turn up and Bolton would hand over three points and graciously let us score 4,5 or 6.
It was the first time I'd seen them play and I expect it was for most. They're limited for sure, but they're incredibly awkward to play against with their physical presence and constant fouling.
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Richard, please specify which Gordon Bennett you mean. That sort of vagueness is really annoying. Kicks cat.
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People are tetchy as far too.many expected us to simply turn up and Bolton would hand over three points and graciously let us score 4,5 or 6.
It was the first time I'd seen them play and I expect it was for most. They're limited for sure, but they're incredibly awkward to play against with their physical presence and constant fouling.
I actually thought Bolton played quite well to be honest. They wasn't as bad as I thought they were going to be although didn't look great at the back but they made it hard for us and I don't blame them really. I'm just chuffed we got the points.
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Richard, please specify which Gordon Bennett you mean. That sort of vagueness is really annoying. Kicks cat.
Not until you describe properly how you kicked the cat. Honestly, some people.
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I thought Bolton were hard working and physical but pretty terrible as a football team.
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I feared after our good run and Bolton's miserable start that we could become the stooge to blind squirrel idiom but we didn't and that's to our credit. I have made no secret of my dissatisfaction at tedious home performances however today I thought it was anything but due to the fact that the opposition came here determined to end their poor run and knock us off the park. We stood up well to them and Davis and Kodjia (sorry Jimmy) will have a few bruises to show for that.
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Just a toe poke under the table. Look it's simple enough Richard. There was Gordon Bennett Snr and Gordon Bennett Jnr. It should not be asking too much for you to be specific about which one's name you chose to introduce into a discussion about tedium.
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People are tetchy as far too.many expected us to simply turn up and Bolton would hand over three points and graciously let us score 4,5 or 6.
It was the first time I'd seen them play and I expect it was for most. They're limited for sure, but they're incredibly awkward to play against with their physical presence and constant fouling.
But as I've said Ads, it wasn't just today was it. We found Forest and Brentford just as awkward at home, and it seems, 10 man Boro for an hour. You could arguably throw the Hull game in there as well. The away form is a different story, at least for now. But at home, it's a real slog and it all seems so unnecessary.
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Sometimes you just have to win ugly against a team that's sole purpose is to avoid either a) losing or b) losing by a cricket score. At the end of day we got three points, which is all that matters.
I can actually see us playing better against Wolves as they won't park the bus.
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I thought Forest was a bit of a stroll really. They had 10 minutes after shocking us with a shot on target that went in and barely landed a glove after that. We were in second gear and never looked in danger. Bit like today, only Bolton waited u til the 91st minute to have a go.
I don't think some supporters have got this league and what it's about yet, making the fewer mistakes. Looks like our players finally have.
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Just a toe poke under the table. Look it's simple enough Richard. There was Gordon Bennett Snr and Gordon Bennett Jnr. It should not be asking too much for you to be specific about which one's name you chose to introduce into a discussion about tedium.
There are far more Gordon Bennetts than that, Brian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Bennett
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Apart from the cup game, we've not lost at home yet and you need a strong home record if you want to get up. A point off the play offs and 5 points off the top, i'm happy with that going into October to be honest.
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Who is going to play left back for the next 3 games??
Can De Laet or Bree play @ Left Back ??? or he could move Hutton over
I hope I am wrong, but I expect him to play Bjarnason there.
Pleased with the point,but expected more goals and a better performance.
Typo'?
Yeah typing one handed trying to get my ill 4 month old to sleep
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Like most I was hoping for a vibrant attacking demolishon but wary of a team on hard times making headlines. I can cope with a win. We look 100 times more battle hardened than last year and for the 1st time in 6-7 years are in contention at the top rather than looking down. I can cope with scrappy 1 nils. Wolves and Fulham up next who both play expansive attacking football, I think these are games when that pace and skill of adomah/Jimmy and Snodgrass will be at their best
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Blimey Taylor straight red, thought he was last man or something.
Out of the derby aswell. Left back is now a problem.
In fairness the way the Blues are playing we could play anyone at left back and get away with it.
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Blimey Taylor straight red, thought he was last man or something.
Out of the derby aswell. Left back is now a problem.
In fairness the way the Blues are playing we could play anyone at left back and get away with it.
We could probably play no one at left back and get away with it.
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Blimey Taylor straight red, thought he was last man or something.
Out of the derby aswell. Left back is now a problem.
In fairness the way the Blues are playing we could play anyone at left back and get away with it.
It's a derby game, it will be nip and tuck like last season.
Pretty sure aside from the 5-1 all the other games have had 1 goal in them either way in the last 10 years or it's been a draw.
I'd prefer our first choice back 4 out in that one.
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John Terry is a proper captain.
Bollocked Kodjia for not squaring to Albert in the first half then was the first player over to congratulate him for winning the penalty minutes later.
He’s a proper leader.
Him and Chester look proper solid.
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But as I've said Ads, it wasn't just today was it. We found Forest and Brentford just as awkward at home, and it seems, 10 man Boro for an hour. You could arguably throw the Hull game in there as well. The away form is a different story, at least for now. But at home, it's a real slog and it all seems so unnecessary.
Brentford drew with Championship 'bookmakers favourites' Middlesbrough today, and Forest beat Sheffield Utd. We are stuttering a bit at times, but have gone a long run unbeaten now and Bruce does deserve credit that defensive record.
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Like most I was hoping for a vibrant attacking demolishon but wary of a team on hard times making headlines. I can cope with a win. We look 100 times more battle hardened than last year and for the 1st time in 6-7 years are in contention at the top rather than looking down. I can cope with scrappy 1 nils. Wolves and Fulham up next who both play expansive attacking football, I think these are games when that pace and skill of adomah/Jimmy and Snodgrass will be at their best
You're probably right there. The way we are set up means we are probably more suited to a counter attacking style and playing on the break. Our last two away results would point to that as well.
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John Terry is a proper captain.
Bollocked Kodjia for not squaring to Davis in the first half then was the first player over to congratulate him for winning the penalty minutes later.
He’s a proper leader.
Him and Chester look proper solid.
It was Adomah to his left not Davis but I am sure he was in an offside position when Elmohammady first played the ball. Kodjia was onside and therefore play was allowed to go on. Another great ball by Elmo. I like him at right back.
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Another 3 points.
Cheers 🍻
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Hang on, how much possession did we have?
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Three wins out of three since I left the country. I'm back for the Wolves game, sorry.
All flights out of Vietnam/Cambodia cancelled UFN.
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Poor game but my 6 year old saw his first league win - 5th time lucky! He was chanting "villa win" on the way out and a group of lads joined in and made his day. Still talking about it now - first time I've seen him excited about Villa.
Fucking don't let Villa 75 babysit then.
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Hats off today as we'd have lost that game in the last five seasons. We showed character over quality which is something we haven't had for years. We will never be Barcelona under him but sometimes you just have to remember how bad we were.
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I thought Forest was a bit of a stroll really. They had 10 minutes after shocking us with a shot on target that went in and barely landed a glove after that. We were in second gear and never looked in danger. Bit like today, only Bolton waited u til the 91st minute to have a go.
I don't think some supporters have got this league and what it's about yet, making the fewer mistakes. Looks like our players finally have.
I think I'd I'd agree we were in second gear against Forest but based on what I've seen I'd say that's less down to us feeling comfortable against them than us not having any other gears. At least at home. I still think we'll be found out against better teams.
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For all the ordinariness that followed, there's still no better place to be on a Saturday afternoon.
Did you take that photo, mate? I love that!
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Regardless of how scrappy today was, one thing is for sure. The 6 teams above us will see the beautifully symmetrical name sitting just below them and thinking "oh fuck"
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For all the ordinariness that followed, there's still no better place to be on a Saturday afternoon.
Did you take that photo, mate? I love that!
Can't get the link to open with the image.
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Kodjia was offside for the chance he messed up that led to the corner that led to the penalty that led to the goal that led to the win that led to promotion...wasn't he?
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No he wasn't. Adomah was and would have been pulled up if the ball had got to him.
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No he wasn't. Adomah was and would have been pulled up if the ball had got to him.
No, he would have been onside in that second phase.
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It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
It wasn't tedious Tuesday. Today we looked fatigued and given how physical the battle was it didnt get any easier.
I beg to differ. It was just as tedious as large chunks of the Brentford and Forest games were.
I disagree as well, I don't think t was tedious either. There are going to be games where it's going to be tough, it's just the way it is. Not every team is going to roll over and die after going a goal down just because they're down the bottom. I thought we did ok to be honest.
It was tedious against Bolton .... mainly because we insisted on lumping the ball into the tallest defence we've perhaps seen this season. If we'd played to our strengths - on the wings - we'd have created more chances, tired their CB's out and possibly drawn a red card for one of their defenders.
I don't get what this manager is really trying to do: he clearly does not have the tactical nous to play to our strengths rather than to the opposition's.
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Ground out a win against a physical resilient team. That has to be done when needed. Defence looks solid and I no longer feel nervous when 1-0 up.
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I said we would win 1-0 in a poor match
Im just happy with 3 pts and keep up the momentum. Typical Bruce performance really which is no suprise to me.
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he clearly does not have the tactical nous to play to our strengths rather than to the opposition's.
Our recent run suggests otherwise.
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I never expected a goalfest. But i did expect 3points. Wolves will be interesting and there should be a bit of space for us to play. Hope we do.
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For all the ordinariness that followed, there's still no better place to be on a Saturday afternoon.
Did you take that photo, mate? I love that!
Can't get the link to open with the image.
Yep, it's one of mine, cheers. Seems like Photobucket's changed the way it lets you link. Try this – feel free to download it.
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he clearly does not have the tactical nous to play to our strengths rather than to the opposition's.
Our recent run suggests otherwise.
4 promotions clearly suggests he does as well.
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3 points and a win ..... thats what the records will show ...... at the end that is all that counts
Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
Referee was terrible ...seemed to want to be centre of attention as was shown in the first half when he over ruled an offside by the linesman - afraid the red card does look like a red to me
There will be games when we win like this and thats something we have not done in the past
The next month is vital some key games where points will be difficult to take
Get behind a team who have just won 4 on the bounce rather than pick fault with them
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
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3 points will do me although it was hardly a thriller yesterday. The ref didn't help the situation and Bolton came with just one plan in mind. I just hope against Wolves that Bruce plays with 2 strikers and goes there to win. If we go there and set up happy to get a point we will come away with nothing.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
There are people who would love to be down there but just can't afford it and that's a shame. I can see the point LV is trying to make though.
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I normally not have a go at Referees trusting the balancing out factor to address genuine errors and any incompetence. However yesterday was a poor very poor performance by Mr Jeremy Simpson and his Assistant. There were many examples of their incompetence including the red card but the one that got my goat was an incident at the start of second half. Kodjia had the ball in their box to the left Wheater grabbed his wrist with both hands and kept pulling him back for what must have been an eternity. Simpson and Assistant in front of their fans must have had an excellent view but no foul was given. May be because he wasn't brave enough to give another pen or because Jimmy stayed on his feet nevertheless it was cowardly act of neglect of duty.
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For all the ordinariness that followed, there's still no better place to be on a Saturday afternoon.
Did you take that photo, mate? I love that!
Can't get the link to open with the image.
Yep, it's one of mine, cheers. Seems like Photobucket's changed the way it lets you link. Try this – feel free to download it.
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Cheers mate. I will do. It's a stunner.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Don't agree LV. I go to every match (at least every home game) but I defend the right of our supporters near and far from Villa Park to comment whichever way they think is right on our performance. They "live and die" just like those of us in the ground.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Can we slag them off if we watch it on avtv?
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Yes double slag off as you have paid to watch thru a crap service. :)
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Yes double slag off as you have paid to watch thru a crap service. :)
Haha. Ok mate. It works great on my phone, but on a laptop it isn't great, and the volume is incredibly low. I've no idea why.
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I think we have to accept that we have a style now, and it's very similar to MON's with all its strengths and weaknesses - on our day, especially if we make an early breakthrough, we can rip through teams on the break, but if they dig in and we don't find our fluency (which is sort of up to luck more than design) we can make hard work of supposedly easy games. The important thing to do on those days is just fecking win - which we did, so it's all still to the good for now.
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Get behind a team who have just won 4 on the bounce rather than pick fault with them
I was at the game and got behind the team.
What I cannot fathom about yesterday's game was that our manager seemed unwilling to exploit his team's strengths - pace down the flanks - to beat a tall, physical side. We played with three wingers who saw relatively little of the game as the ball was repeatedly blasted down the throat of the oppo CB.
So, yes, I'll complain as often as I like; I'm fed up of watching mediocrity and unintelligent football.
Sorry to upset you, Clampy and others.
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As has been pointed out that is the kind of game we would not have won last season so I'm happy.
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3 points and a win ..... thats what the records will show ...... at the end that is all that counts
Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
Referee was terrible ...seemed to want to be centre of attention as was shown in the first half when he over ruled an offside by the linesman - afraid the red card does look like a red to me
There will be games when we win like this and thats something we have not done in the past
The next month is vital some key games where points will be difficult to take
Get behind a team who have just won 4 on the bounce rather than pick fault with them
That second paragraph is very contemptuous LV for many reasons, I think you should retract it.
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I think we have to accept that we have a style now, and it's very similar to MON's with all its strengths and weaknesses - on our day, especially if we make an early breakthrough, we can rip through teams on the break, but if they dig in and we don't find our fluency (which is sort of up to luck more than design) we can make hard work of supposedly easy games. The important thing to do on those days is just fecking win - which we did, so it's all still to the good for now.
Yes I think you have precisely summed it up. It is also then important that we have players like Kodjia and hopefully Grealish who can do something extra-ordinary to open up rigid defensive teams. Yesterday I thought more enterprising substations would have been to keep Davis on with Hogan and replace Whelan with Onomah but....
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Get behind a team who have just won 4 on the bounce rather than pick fault with them
I was at the game and got behind the team.
What I cannot fathom about yesterday's game was that our manager seemed unwilling to exploit his team's strengths - pace down the flanks - to beat a tall, physical side. We played with three wingers who saw relatively little of the game as the ball was repeatedly blasted down the throat of the oppo CB.
So, yes, I'll complain as often as I like; I'm fed up of watching mediocrity and unintelligent football.
Sorry to upset you, Clampy and others.
I don't think it was quite as one dimensional as you suggest. Look at where our goals have come from this season and it contradicts the stereotype that we are a long ball team. Yesterday was an ugly game, perhaps a combination of tiredness in one or two players, an uncompromising opposition and an absolutely clueless referee. I think in those circumstances players do sometimes take the easy way out but more often I see it as trying to build from Davis holding the ball up.
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I said yesterday about 10 minutes in that we might have to be patient today and to be fair, I think the crowd possibly saw that as well and stuck with them. We'd have drawn that last season but we dug in because we had to.
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I suspect not but is it possible to actual make an official complaint about the referee. Comfortably the most incompetent performance from an officiating team I've ever seen - the majority were against the Villa but not necessarily all of them so don't think it's claret and blue tinted glasses here.
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Get behind a team who have just won 4 on the bounce rather than pick fault with them
I was at the game and got behind the team.
What I cannot fathom about yesterday's game was that our manager seemed unwilling to exploit his team's strengths - pace down the flanks - to beat a tall, physical side. We played with three wingers who saw relatively little of the game as the ball was repeatedly blasted down the throat of the oppo CB.
So, yes, I'll complain as often as I like; I'm fed up of watching mediocrity and unintelligent football.
Sorry to upset you, Clampy and others.
I don't think it was quite as one dimensional as you suggest. Look at where our goals have come from this season and it contradicts the stereotype that we are a long ball team. Yesterday was an ugly game, perhaps a combination of tiredness in one or two players, an uncompromising opposition and an absolutely clueless referee. I think in those circumstances players do sometimes take the easy way out but more often I see it as trying to build from Davis holding the ball up.
I accept the points you've made, Chris. We certainly were not dynamic, and we faced an oppo that was determined to keep the score down any which way.
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Last year Bolton would've equalised AND gone ahead at the end.
The referee was crap (again)
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we won, and as many others have said, last season we would have drawn .
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One thing about Bolton is that they have some spirit and plenty of fight. Similar to us in 2015/16, they're pretty hopeless, can't score, and lose most weeks.
The complete opposite of us that season however is that they scrap, battle, foul, hold, pull shirts and make it as uncomfortable for the opposition as possible. Chuck in an incompetent referee and they give themselves a chance.
Like most are saying, Wolves will now be very interesting.
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I don’t get this, ‘we would have lost or drawn that game last season’.
We could lose, win or draw any game depending on the run of the game.
Had Sambas head not been in the way in the 94th minute, Bolton would have scored and the game would have been drawn, and then what we would we be saying?
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We won a lot of game last season despite not playing well
In isolation I'd be a bit concerned but on the back of the run we've had I wouldn't be inclined to read too much into one game
The next two will be much more telling
We need to be much fresher following the international break this time - even if it means resting first choice players
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Had Sambas head not been in the way in the 94th minute, Bolton would have scored and the game would have been drawn, and then what we would we be saying?
If my Auntie had bollocks etc etc
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As has been pointed out that is the kind of game we would not have won last season so I'm happy.
We went on quite a long run of winning games exactly like that at the end of last season.
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We’ve just won 4 on the bounce. When was the last time that happened?
We all know Bruce’s teams aren’t easy in the eye but they’re never as bad as some make out. In fact compared to Pulis’ teams we’re practically Barcelona. We’ve just had probably the most miserable 7 years ever so it’s just great to finally see us winning again. Bruce has at least brought a bit of pride back into the club and I get the feeling a promotion isn’t that far away.
This constant nit-picking of everything Bruce is getting a bit tiresome really. I didn’t want him originally but we’re now looking like a real football club again and a lot of it’s down to him.
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We won a lot of game last season despite not playing well
In isolation I'd be a bit concerned but on the back of the run we've had I wouldn't be inclined to read too much into one game
The next two will be much more telling
We need to be much fresher following the international break this time - even if it means resting first choice players
The run of home games in that time have been very similar in terms of performance though. As I said in an earlier post, it might be playing away from home which suits us more.
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We won 4 on the trot the end of last season.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Can we slag them off if we watch it on avtv?
Its those who live in Birmingham who I am making the comments about !
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Bolton played a very high line which compressed the play and allowed them to harass us and put pressure on us.
Bruce should have been aware of how they played or at least after 10 minutes realised how they were playing and acted accordingly by instructing the players to get the ball forward much quicker and play down the flanks to make their monster centrehalves turn, in other words play perhaps more direct, not down the middle, but certainly at a much higher tempo.
Then to compound the issues with 20 minutes to go Bruce takes 2 attackers off and brings an attacker on (Hogan who can't hold the ball up) and a midfield player, Onomah (who has no real idea of where he actually is playing and looks lost). So this just invites pressure onto us as we try and hold onto a 1 - 0 victory, even their centrehalves were coming up as with Davis off they had no problems with defending.
Why wasn't O'Hare brought on for Kodjia (who I thought was lazy again) to give support to Davis?
As Bruce openly admits he doesn't do tactics!
Still we won in the end, perhaps this is the bit of luck we are having this season which we didn't last season, time will tell!
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The comments about "we would have not won a game like this last season" are baseless. We won plenty like this it's the others where we got hammered and didn't make the play-offs and we need to win those games specially away from home.
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vs top 8
P 16
W 4
D 5
L 7
PTS 17
Vs Bottom 8
P 16
W 10
D 3
L 3
PTS 33
Vs Middle 7
P 14
W 2
D 6
L 6
PTS 12
We didn't have a problem beating the poor sides of the division, we had a real problem beating the run of the mill, experienced, battlers around the midtable. We don't have such a soft underbelly this season I don't think and are a bit better prepared to take them on. We've already picked up 7 points from our three games against ''midtable'' sides. A small sample size but I think it will be expanded over the entire season.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Can we slag them off if we watch it on avtv?
Its those who live in Birmingham who I am making the comments about !
Do you think that sort of performance is going to get people hurrying to Villa Park?
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What will get people hurrying to Villa Park is having a PL football club playing there every week. We have to get promoted. This is Bruce football. At times it will be just like yesterday. At times it will be just like Burton. It's frustrating but it has proved effective over his career.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Can we slag them off if we watch it on avtv?
Its those who live in Birmingham who I am making the comments about !
Do you think that sort of performance is going to get people hurrying to Villa Park?
You're assuming that everybody thinks it was a poor performance Winning games gets people hurrying to Villa park.
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Bolton played a very high line which compressed the play and allowed them to harass us and put pressure on us.
Bruce should have been aware of how they played or at least after 10 minutes realised how they were playing and acted accordingly by instructing the players to get the ball forward much quicker and play down the flanks to make their monster centrehalves turn, in other words play perhaps more direct, not down the middle, but certainly at a much higher tempo.
Then to compound the issues with 20 minutes to go Bruce takes 2 attackers off and brings an attacker on (Hogan who can't hold the ball up) and a midfield player, Onomah (who has no real idea of where he actually is playing and looks lost). So this just invites pressure onto us as we try and hold onto a 1 - 0 victory, even their centrehalves were coming up as with Davis off they had no problems with defending.
Why wasn't O'Hare brought on for Kodjia (who I thought was lazy again) to give support to Davis?
As Bruce openly admits he doesn't do tactics!
Still we won in the end, perhaps this is the bit of luck we are having this season which we didn't last season, time will tell!
I don't agree with that at all.
Hogan and Onomah saw us increase the tempo and speed at which we moved it and for the first time all game create chances from open play.
It was a realisation that we couldn't hit it into Davis and we adapted. We looked our best following the subs.
We didn't drop deep and we didn't invite any pressure. They slung a high ball into the box which created a bit if panic and we reacted to their centre half going up front by bringing Samba on and solving the percentage ball problem.
The sending off caused some confusion and it was a mistake by us in a mindless recycle of the ball by passing to a Bolton player that allowed the chance to be created at the death.
I don't think your analysis is right at all.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
I agree, TV, and think he might have well have made changes yesterday if it wasn't for the fact that we now have an international break.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Can we slag them off if we watch it on avtv?
Its those who live in Birmingham who I am making the comments about !
Do you think that sort of performance is going to get people hurrying to Villa Park?
I disagree. Whenever our results improve and the higher we go up the table the fans flock back to Villa Park. It’s always been like that.
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Yesterday was one of our highest gates. Last three were sub 30k. Doesn't help that nobody can bring an away following.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be expected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
I agree, TV, and think he might have well have made changes yesterday if it wasn't for the fact that we now have an international break.
Agreed Chris. That would have come into his thoughts though it is dangerous game to play with the players looking quite jaded. Mind you, it's also possible had we played a side other than one sat bottom of the table or close to it he'd have freshened things up. Bruce might have thought there was enough left in the tank coupled with the momentum and buoyancy of the Burton result to get us over the line.
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Do you think that sort of performance is going to get people hurrying to Villa Park?
I booked Fulham tickets last night, because yesterday showed me just how much I missed coming up from London, having a few beers with mates in the Holte pub, seeing us score in front of the Holte, keeping a clean sheet and going home with the three points. So, in short, yes.
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The erm..highlights
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Bolton played a very high line which compressed the play and allowed them to harass us and put pressure on us.
Bruce should have been aware of how they played or at least after 10 minutes realised how they were playing and acted accordingly by instructing the players to get the ball forward much quicker and play down the flanks to make their monster centrehalves turn, in other words play perhaps more direct, not down the middle, but certainly at a much higher tempo.
Then to compound the issues with 20 minutes to go Bruce takes 2 attackers off and brings an attacker on (Hogan who can't hold the ball up) and a midfield player, Onomah (who has no real idea of where he actually is playing and looks lost). So this just invites pressure onto us as we try and hold onto a 1 - 0 victory, even their centrehalves were coming up as with Davis off they had no problems with defending.
Why wasn't O'Hare brought on for Kodjia (who I thought was lazy again) to give support to Davis?
As Bruce openly admits he doesn't do tactics!
Still we won in the end, perhaps this is the bit of luck we are having this season which we didn't last season, time will tell!
I don't agree with that at all.
Hogan and Onomah saw us increase the tempo and speed at which we moved it and for the first time all game create chances from open play.
It was a realisation that we couldn't hit it into Davis and we adapted. We looked our best following the subs.
We didn't drop deep and we didn't invite any pressure. They slung a high ball into the box which created a bit if panic and we reacted to their centre half going up front by bringing Samba on and solving the percentage ball problem.
The sending off caused some confusion and it was a mistake by us in a mindless recycle of the ball by passing to a Bolton player that allowed the chance to be created at the death.
I don't think your analysis is right at all.
We must have been at different games then!
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Jawohl Mein Fuehrer! Seriously though, what gives you the right to say people can't express an opinion regardless of their circumstances?
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The comments about "we would have not won a game like this last season" are baseless. We won plenty like this it's the others where we got hammered and didn't make the play-offs and we need to win those games specially away from home.
Yep, the point being was that the winning patches were never sustained or sustainable beyond a few games. The point I, and I think one or two others, are trying to make is that we're far from convinced by the good run of results because based on the way we have been playing at home we can't see it being maintained without fair sized chunks of good fortune and against the better teams in the league. I'm chuffed we've won four on the bounce but I'm far from optimistic we can keep it up based on what I've seen (and yes I was there yesterday Leicester Villain).
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The comments about "we would have not won a game like this last season" are baseless. We won plenty like this it's the others where we got hammered and didn't make the play-offs and we need to win those games specially away from home.
Yep, the point being was that the winning patches were never sustained or sustainable beyond a few games. The point I, and I think one or two others, are trying to make is that we're far from convinced by the good run of results because based on the way we have been playing at home we can't see it being maintained without fair sized chunks of good fortune and against the better teams in the league. I'm chuffed we've won four on the bounce but I'm far from optimistic we can keep it up based on what I've seen (and yes I was there yesterday Leicester Villain).
I have only been here a short while, and don't what to come across as tedious or overly negative, but I am going to risk it and say I agree with everything you say.
Obviously I apologise, if in doing that I have overstepped the mark for someone so new. 😉
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Jawohl Mein Fuehrer! Seriously though, what gives you the right to say people can't express an opinion regardless of their circumstances?
On the flip side, if we don't go and the team play well, can we praise them? I'd like to know what the rules are here.
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The comments about "we would have not won a game like this last season" are baseless. We won plenty like this it's the others where we got hammered and didn't make the play-offs and we need to win those games specially away from home.
Yep, the point being was that the winning patches were never sustained or sustainable beyond a few games. The point I, and I think one or two others, are trying to make is that we're far from convinced by the good run of results because based on the way we have been playing at home we can't see it being maintained without fair sized chunks of good fortune and against the better teams in the league. I'm chuffed we've won four on the bounce but I'm far from optimistic we can keep it up based on what I've seen (and yes I was there yesterday Leicester Villain).
The run is built on a record of one goal conceded in 6 games. You don't get that sort of record purely on good fortune. Now that they have settled I think we probably have the best defence in a league where efficiency and resilience tend be the most important factors over the course of season.
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I can't disagree the defence looks more solid but I think they have still ridden their luck at times in the home games at least, especially against Brentford. I'm more concerned about the other end. Fine away from home but in the last four home games we've only scored one goal from open play. This despite having at least two proven goalscorers in the squad and plenty of players who could create multiple chances for them if we just moved the ball more quickly, committed more men forward and looked for the forward pass rather than the safe pass more often. For me we rely far too much on a flash of brilliance or inspiration from an individual instead of on a style of play that dominates the opposition, exploits their weaknesses and opens them up regularly. I really don't see why Bruce has to be so ultra-cautious and boring at home with such talent at his disposal.
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I think our 442 may be more suited to playing away. A bit like under MoN.
At home I'm not sure we'll dominate the midfield enough, nor have the creativity
But I'd keep playing it for now
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Jawohl Mein Fuehrer! Seriously though, what gives you the right to say people can't express an opinion regardless of their circumstances?
On the flip side, if we don't go and the team play well, can we praise them? I'd like to know what the rules are here.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but, I can see where Leicester is coming from.
If I don't go to a game, or watch on TV, I can't give accurate comments on the game, so I won't.
I can't come on here and say Bruce should have done this or that, the same of the players, if I haven't seen the game
I can't understand how anyone can make an assessment of the game without having seen it.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Jawohl Mein Fuehrer! Seriously though, what gives you the right to say people can't express an opinion regardless of their circumstances?
On the flip side, if we don't go and the team play well, can we praise them? I'd like to know what the rules are here.
You're allowed to express mild satisfaction, but nothing more effusive than that.
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Signed,
Disgruntled of Tipton.
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All I care about is the possession stats.
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Bolton played a very high line which compressed the play and allowed them to harass us and put pressure on us.
Bruce should have been aware of how they played or at least after 10 minutes realised how they were playing and acted accordingly by instructing the players to get the ball forward much quicker and play down the flanks to make their monster centrehalves turn, in other words play perhaps more direct, not down the middle, but certainly at a much higher tempo.
Then to compound the issues with 20 minutes to go Bruce takes 2 attackers off and brings an attacker on (Hogan who can't hold the ball up) and a midfield player, Onomah (who has no real idea of where he actually is playing and looks lost). So this just invites pressure onto us as we try and hold onto a 1 - 0 victory, even their centrehalves were coming up as with Davis off they had no problems with defending.
Why wasn't O'Hare brought on for Kodjia (who I thought was lazy again) to give support to Davis?
As Bruce openly admits he doesn't do tactics!
Still we won in the end, perhaps this is the bit of luck we are having this season which we didn't last season, time will tell!
I don't agree with that at all.
Hogan and Onomah saw us increase the tempo and speed at which we moved it and for the first time all game create chances from open play.
It was a realisation that we couldn't hit it into Davis and we adapted. We looked our best following the subs.
We didn't drop deep and we didn't invite any pressure. They slung a high ball into the box which created a bit if panic and we reacted to their centre half going up front by bringing Samba on and solving the percentage ball problem.
The sending off caused some confusion and it was a mistake by us in a mindless recycle of the ball by passing to a Bolton player that allowed the chance to be created at the death.
I don't think your analysis is right at all.
We must have been at different games then!
For what it is worth, I agree with your assessment. When Davis and Kodjia went off, Bolton gradually looked more comfortable at the back and in the end were able to exert some pressure on us because the ball was not sticking up front for us.
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Bolton played a very high line which compressed the play and allowed them to harass us and put pressure on us.
Bruce should have been aware of how they played or at least after 10 minutes realised how they were playing and acted accordingly by instructing the players to get the ball forward much quicker and play down the flanks to make their monster centrehalves turn, in other words play perhaps more direct, not down the middle, but certainly at a much higher tempo.
Then to compound the issues with 20 minutes to go Bruce takes 2 attackers off and brings an attacker on (Hogan who can't hold the ball up) and a midfield player, Onomah (who has no real idea of where he actually is playing and looks lost). So this just invites pressure onto us as we try and hold onto a 1 - 0 victory, even their centrehalves were coming up as with Davis off they had no problems with defending.
Why wasn't O'Hare brought on for Kodjia (who I thought was lazy again) to give support to Davis?
As Bruce openly admits he doesn't do tactics!
Still we won in the end, perhaps this is the bit of luck we are having this season which we didn't last season, time will tell!
I don't agree with that at all.
Hogan and Onomah saw us increase the tempo and speed at which we moved it and for the first time all game create chances from open play.
It was a realisation that we couldn't hit it into Davis and we adapted. We looked our best following the subs.
We didn't drop deep and we didn't invite any pressure. They slung a high ball into the box which created a bit if panic and we reacted to their centre half going up front by bringing Samba on and solving the percentage ball problem.
The sending off caused some confusion and it was a mistake by us in a mindless recycle of the ball by passing to a Bolton player that allowed the chance to be created at the death.
I don't think your analysis is right at all.
We must have been at different games then!
For what it is worth, I agree with your assessment. When Davis and Kodjia went off, Bolton gradually looked more comfortable at the back and in the end were able to exert some pressure on us because the ball was not sticking up front for us.
Pretty much how I saw it on AVTV, poor substitutions with Bolton on top the last 15 minutes.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
If rotation is required and if they are available then Samba comes in for Terry, Onomah or Lansbury in for Whelan and Green (when fit) comes in for Snodgrass. Pretty straightforward swaps there, though there is a drop in quality in all three scenarios.
I think he has got to work on other tactical options in case Plan A of 4-4-2 isn't working.
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We’ve just won 4 on the bounce. When was the last time that happened?
Last season.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
If rotation is required and if they are available then Samba comes in for Terry, Onomah or Lansbury in for Whelan and Green (when fit) comes in for Snodgrass. Pretty straightforward swaps there, though there is a drop in quality in all three scenarios.
I think he has got to work on other tactical options in case Plan A of 4-4-2 isn't working.
Still have the Jedi to come back too.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
If rotation is required and if they are available then Samba comes in for Terry, Onomah or Lansbury in for Whelan and Green (when fit) comes in for Snodgrass. Pretty straightforward swaps there, though there is a drop in quality in all three scenarios.
I think he has got to work on other tactical options in case Plan A of 4-4-2 isn't working.
Still have the Jedi to come back too.
True. Not sure about him in a 4-4-2 though to be honest.
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All I care about is the possession stats.
You are Pep Lambert and I claim my 50p
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We’ve just won 4 on the bounce. When was the last time that happened?
Last season.
Cheers, Statto.
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All I care about is the possession stats.
61% You can sleep well tonight
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All I care about is the possession stats.
61% You can sleep well tonight
Excellent, we get to keep the 3 points.
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Reading this it seems that most who are slagging the team off even state they were not at the game - to them get your backsides down to the ground and show support for the team
It's not always just as easy as that.
Accept its not always as easy but if you haven't been don't slag the team off when you didn't see it first hand
Jawohl Mein Fuehrer! Seriously though, what gives you the right to say people can't express an opinion regardless of their circumstances?
On the flip side, if we don't go and the team play well, can we praise them? I'd like to know what the rules are here.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but, I can see where Leicester is coming from.
If I don't go to a game, or watch on TV, I can't give accurate comments on the game, so I won't.
I can't come on here and say Bruce should have done this or that, the same of the players, if I haven't seen the game
I can't understand how anyone can make an assessment of the game without having seen it.
I don't think it's as simple as that. For example look at the discussion between Ads and achilles who were both there. As I've saids before if you watch a decent amount of highlights and/or the whole game live on TV you can see more than enough to give comments. I haven't seen much beyond the highlights on here so I've done little to comment beyond pointing out that losing Taylor is a massive blow and that I think it was worthy of a red.
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Tight Fit. Like a lion. Ahhwoooo!
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All I care about is the possession stats.
We got 100% possession of the three points.
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All I care about is the possession stats.
61% You can sleep well tonight
Excellent, we get to keep the 3 points.
Unfortunately no. You have forgotten about the League position differential coefficient. This is a factor of 2.05 x League position difference and has to be subtracted from actual % Possession. This means as we were 12 places higher than Bolton before the start of the match our actual possession is reduced by 12x2.05=24.6%. So that means our readjusted possession yesterday was 36.4% and equally Bolton's possession was increased by a similar factor to 63.6%. So once again no 3 points. Sorry to spoil your evening.
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All I care about is the possession stats.
61% You can sleep well tonight
Excellent, we get to keep the 3 points.
Unfortunately no. You have forgotten about the League position differential coefficient. This is a factor of 2.05 x League position difference and has to be subtracted from actual % Possession. This means as we were 12 places higher than Bolton before the start of the match our actual possession is reduced by 12x2.05=24.6%. So that means our readjusted possession yesterday was 36.4% and equally Bolton's possession was increased by a similar factor to 63.6%. So once again no 3 points. Sorry to spoil your evening.
Offset by points we should be given for the early season games when we were near the bottom with poor possession stats. I fear Blues might now be above us, Harry was right.
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Bolton on top for 15 minutes? Might want to get that lap top fixed.
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Yesterday was a game where it became evident that Bruce has to figure out a way to rotate the starting XI. It appears he has settled on a formation and style of play. Or is approaching it. Now it's about giving players time off. We have a number of more senior players now and it can't be xpected of them to play through 46 league games and however long we participate in the cups. So Bruce has to find a way of resting Whelan or Terry or Snodgrass and even the other players and bring in squad players without upsetting the way we play or balance.
If rotation is required and if they are available then Samba comes in for Terry, Onomah or Lansbury in for Whelan and Green (when fit) comes in for Snodgrass. Pretty straightforward swaps there, though there is a drop in quality in all three scenarios.
I think he has got to work on other tactical options in case Plan A of 4-4-2 isn't working.
Agreed, Tom.
It's the in-game decision-making by the manager which concerns me.
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Obviously pleased with three points but there was a spark missing today. Playing 4 games with the same starting 11 is great but they looked tired. A better team than Bolton would probably have got something from this. Defending too deep at the end. But onwards and upwards.
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That Ref was terrible one of the worst I'm glad we got the three points we ground out the win but a win is a win another clean sheet and our good run continues.
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I've criticised Bruce when we have played crap and not won so I am not going to criticise when we play crap and win
That was what he is supposed to be good at!
Another three points and a very good September on the whole - hopefully we won't lose anyone through injury over the international break or we are looking at Flabby, Hutton and co coming back into the fold...
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That Ref was terrible one of the worst
Have we had a decent one all season?
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I think Ref's may feel the need to "even things up" by not giving us stuff and our opponents leeway because we are the biggest club in the division and we need taking down a peg?
Jon Moss against Burton was probably not in this fold.......he'd already crapped on us before so he probably felt responsible.
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I've wondered that. Like they cannot be seen to give us what we deserve less it be big club bias. The referees are consistently awful.
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The ref on Saturday completely lost control of the game. It was also one of the oddest performances I've ever seen by a linesman at Villa Park, few utter howlers from the guy running the line next to the Witton Lane stand
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I've wondered that. Like they cannot be seen to give us what we deserve less it be big club bias. The referees are consistently awful.
I doubt there's a conspiracy
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So,when we're in the PL and decisions 'aren't going our way' the refs are 'favouring the big teams'? Then, when we are in the 2nd division and decisions 'aren't going are way' the refs are 'favouring the small teams'?
Could it just be that refs make mistakes, some more than others (like players of differing standards), but all football fans are biased and mainly notice (or even imagine) mistakes against their own beloved team?
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Yep
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Plus, it’s a rare thing (IMO) that a game is genuinely decided by the quality of refereeing. If we hadn’t been playing shit football at home against the worst side in the championship then we wouldn't be talking about the ref.
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It's not a conspiracy. It's just a poor standard of refereeing. I referee Leisure Leagues every Monday evening now and am consistently crap.
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It's not a conspiracy. It's just a poor standard of refereeing. I referee Leisure Leagues every Monday evening now and am consistently crap.
At least you're consistent.
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It's not a conspiracy. It's just a poor standard of refereeing. I referee Leisure Leagues every Monday evening now and am consistently crap.
How crap? Crap has a spectrum and do you span the full width or sit at one end?
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I'm in the consistent zone.
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
I didn't see anything of the match on Saturday but there are enough posters on here that say he was very poor, that I can accept. I have known referee's that can quote the laws of the game almost verbatim but, when put in a position where they actually have to apply those laws they know so well just cannot do it, they don't recognise fouls, foul throws etc. Whether it's nerves or what I don't know, but those referees that know the laws so well can look very, very poor. The way refereeing is structured today is far superior to my day. That bloke's performance will be analysed and questions will be asked of him, I have no doubt about that.
Should anyone ever do the referee's course they will never view a match in the same way again. I know I haven't, I always watch it from the referee's point of view. It doesn't stop me being mad if what I consider the wrong decision being made although I try to understand it.
Refereeing is as much about angles as playing is. A lesson I learned came years ago from the late Neil Midgley who was a guest speaker at our Referee's Association meeting one night. IIRC, he was the referee of our infamous match against Ipswich in the season that we won the league. Gary Shaw was brought down for a blatant penalty which he didn't award. I asked him why and his reply was to ask me where I'd been standing, as it happened I was sitting in the Witton Lane stand down toward the Witton End and told him that. He then said to me 'if I was sitting there, I might have thought it was a penalty too'. To this day I still think he was wrong but I took his point.
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To me watching the Championship has shown how difficult refereeing actually is. Drop down one level and you can see a noticeable reduction in quality (like the football itself).
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Refereeing is as much about angles as playing is. A lesson I learned came years ago from the late Neil Midgley who was a guest speaker at our Referee's Association meeting one night. IIRC, he was the referee of our infamous match against Ipswich in the season that we won the league. Gary Shaw was brought down for a blatant penalty which he didn't award. I asked him why and his reply was to ask me where I'd been standing, as it happened I was sitting in the Witton Lane stand down toward the Witton End and told him that. He then said to me 'if I was sitting there, I might have thought it was a penalty too'. To this day I still think he was wrong but I took his point.
Well I was at the front of The Holte End and I know it was a penalty!
Still - alls well that ends well.
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I can remember playing against 2 absoloutely biased refs and both deliberately cost us the match.
Have seen lots of incompetent refs at all levels,
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
I didn't see anything of the match on Saturday but there are enough posters on here that say he was very poor, that I can accept. I have known referee's that can quote the laws of the game almost verbatim but, when put in a position where they actually have to apply those laws they know so well just cannot do it, they don't recognise fouls, foul throws etc. Whether it's nerves or what I don't know, but those referees that know the laws so well can look very, very poor. The way refereeing is structured today is far superior to my day. That bloke's performance will be analysed and questions will be asked of him, I have no doubt about that.
Should anyone ever do the referee's course they will never view a match in the same way again. I know I haven't, I always watch it from the referee's point of view. It doesn't stop me being mad if what I consider the wrong decision being made although I try to understand it.
Refereeing is as much about angles as playing is. A lesson I learned came years ago from the late Neil Midgley who was a guest speaker at our Referee's Association meeting one night. IIRC, he was the referee of our infamous match against Ipswich in the season that we won the league. Gary Shaw was brought down for a blatant penalty which he didn't award. I asked him why and his reply was to ask me where I'd been standing, as it happened I was sitting in the Witton Lane stand down toward the Witton End and told him that. He then said to me 'if I was sitting there, I might have thought it was a penalty too'. To this day I still think he was wrong but I took his point.
Who was that twat who celebrated when Spurs scored against us at WHL?
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
I didn't see anything of the match on Saturday but there are enough posters on here that say he was very poor, that I can accept. I have known referee's that can quote the laws of the game almost verbatim but, when put in a position where they actually have to apply those laws they know so well just cannot do it, they don't recognise fouls, foul throws etc. Whether it's nerves or what I don't know, but those referees that know the laws so well can look very, very poor. The way refereeing is structured today is far superior to my day. That bloke's performance will be analysed and questions will be asked of him, I have no doubt about that.
Should anyone ever do the referee's course they will never view a match in the same way again. I know I haven't, I always watch it from the referee's point of view. It doesn't stop me being mad if what I consider the wrong decision being made although I try to understand it.
Refereeing is as much about angles as playing is. A lesson I learned came years ago from the late Neil Midgley who was a guest speaker at our Referee's Association meeting one night. IIRC, he was the referee of our infamous match against Ipswich in the season that we won the league. Gary Shaw was brought down for a blatant penalty which he didn't award. I asked him why and his reply was to ask me where I'd been standing, as it happened I was sitting in the Witton Lane stand down toward the Witton End and told him that. He then said to me 'if I was sitting there, I might have thought it was a penalty too'. To this day I still think he was wrong but I took his point.
Who was that twat who celebrated when Spurs scored against us at WHL?
I give you Mr Mike Dean
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=StRVqK7xgw4
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
Then you have never witnessed Mike Dean referee a game.
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Andre Marriner at least is universally respected and liked by all true football fans for his taste in teams :)
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
Then you have never witnessed Mike Dean referee a game.
Or Friend!
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I have never in all my refereeing experience known a referee to go out and referee a match with the intention of showing bias to one side or another.
Then you have never witnessed Mike Dean referee a game.
Or Friend!
Or Halsey, or Dowd.
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Take my word for it Dave, the refereeing of the Bolton game was very, very bad. I agree with you that no referee goes onto the pitch intending to show bias. What happens in the course of the game with a bad referees is that his/her interpretation of the rules skews his judgement. Once that interpretation starts to dominate his judgement a poor referee pursues it defiantly and the decisions get worse. Against Bolton the referee will have anticipated a physical game from Bolton and fixed his mind set towards the battles that would ensue. When Davis and Kodjia started to get roughed up by the big Bolton defenders the referee's fixed view was that it was no more than he was expecting and let it go. He continued to let it go beyond an acceptable level of physicality and the Bolton players exploited his weakness. Bad refs at this point become pedantic and force themselves to ignore the anger they have generated in the home supporters. It is bias by default but it is still bias.
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There's no way anyone can say a referee that celebrates an opposition goal doesn't go into the match with the intention of cheating us.
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That was it. He'd made his mind up how it was going to go before the match. The nincompoop / prick.
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There's no way anyone can say a referee that celebrates an opposition goal doesn't go into the match with the intention of cheating us.
I don't believe for one minute Dean was celebrating the fact that Spurs had scored against us. What I believe he was celebrating was the fact that he'd played, in his opinion, an advantage which resulted in a goal. The unwritten universal signal for players to recognise when a referee is playing an advantage is to spread the arms wide and yell 'play on!'
So the refereeing fraternity in the football league is anti Aston Villa...yeah of course they are.
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Problem is cdb we, and the world can see what Dean is actually doing, celebrating a Spurs goal. But he only sees himself gesturing "play on" then gesturing the scoring of the goal. Bad judges are invariably in denial about their failings.
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Gesturing play on from what? Fuck all happened.
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The significant detail of the Dean clip is that he maintains the "play on" gesture but with arms held aloft running in a half circle in front of the home fans while jerking his arm towards the centre spot not once but six times. For good measure he appears to make a comment as he runs back to a Villa player coming back disconsolately for the restart.
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I've wondered that. Like they cannot be seen to give us what we deserve less it be big club bias. The referees are consistently awful.
I doubt there's a conspiracy
I doubt there is a conspiracy either, I'm suggesting that they're letting other factors cloud their judgment or confuse their natural intentions.
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I think you are all being harsh on Dean. He obviously did well in allowing play to go on despite our player trying to pullback Spurs forward resulting in a goal and was entitled to celebrate his own performance with raised arms and the clenched fist pump gesture. The only thing missing was badge kissing.
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Let's pretend for a moment that referees have it in for Villa.
Why?
We're pretty much an irrelevance, and have been for years. What possible reason would, multiple, referees 'have it in' for us?
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Every single football team's supporters seem to think that referee's have it in for them, they don't.
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Every single football team's supporters seem to think that referee's have it in for them, they don't.
See also the local meeja.
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Villa teams have always seemed to accept decisions better than many teams. Not sure how much this affects referee's decision making.
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I think you are all being harsh on Dean. He obviously did well in allowing play to go on despite our player trying to pullback Spurs forward resulting in a goal and was entitled to celebrate his own performance with raised arms and the clenched fist pump gesture. The only thing missing was badge kissing.
Cupping his ear, rocking an imaginary baby or reeling in a linesman would have added a flourish.
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If we got that wanker reffing us again, I'd like to see whoever scores our first goal reinact that 'celebration'. Then again, he's probably get sent off.
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The significant detail of the Dean clip is that he maintains the "play on" gesture but with arms held aloft running in a half circle in front of the home fans while jerking his arm towards the centre spot not once but six times. For good measure he appears to make a comment as he runs back to a Villa player coming back disconsolately for the restart.
As a qualified ref, I'm with Dave Shelley on this. Mike Dean saw the defender impeding Spurs' winger, allowed the game to go on and signalled the 'play on' in the usual manner.
As football fans, we do suffer more than most from confirmation bias - looking for evidence that our view is the right one. This is a perfect example.
Having said that, it doesn't stop me having a go at the refs (and don't start me on Phil f*"*ing Dowd).
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Re the chance that Hogan had, Onomah was breaking towards the box to try to give SH an option if he wanted it but was stopped by a Bolton player pushing him over with both hands.
Hilariously -or not- none of the three match officials saw this blatant foul, perhaps confirming in one incident the general standard of their officiating.
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Let's pretend for a moment that referees have it in for Villa.
Why?
We're pretty much an irrelevance, and have been for years. What possible reason would, multiple, referees 'have it in' for us?
They may not have it in for us but they definitely have a preference for other teams (the so called bigger teams). We're back to the same suspects...
Dean
Dowd
Halsey
and Poll.
The incidents of these preferences have been discussed on here many times.