Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: jwarry on September 27, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
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Reading all of the media speculation today about scouts at Burton watching Kienan, I'm beginning to wonder what it feels like to be sub-premier league when your best players are constantly picked off. On the one hand it keeps clubs afloat, on the other you feel angry that the rich bastards keep picking you off.
It's happened to us before where inferior clubs (in our eyes) have taken our best players (Andy Gray springs to mind, one which I will never get over), and it looks like it could happen again, but it always happens to lower league clubs so should I be sympathetic or angry?
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He's played a half-handful of first team games, and scored just two goals. He's going nowhere; at least for now.
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You should ignore baseless speculation, but also realise that most clubs will be coming to watch a 19 year old that has come from nowhere to look the real deal.
It is a natural factor of relegation, however we do carry more kudos than any club that drops down, so I think we're better placed to resist than most.
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I expect most PL clubs and other biggish clubs to have scouts/spotters at most League games and some non league games. It's a lazy story in media and nothing to be overly concerned about.
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It might just be a big old load of bollocks to fill space in a newspaper.
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He has been good, but not that good
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How well we are doing can be measured by the quality of club interested in our players.
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Well he isn’t going anywhere this season, but the longer we stay in the Championship the more our better players will want PL football. That’s just the reality of lower league football and why we just have to get promoted this season.
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I doubt he's going anywhere at all. Didn't we have the same kind of rumours linking Hourihane with Brighton the day after he scored a hat-trick?
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I was going to say £35m and you can have him but he's probably worth more to us should we be lucky enough to be promoted.
Sell him in the summer. £70m
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I was going to say £35m and you can have him but he's probably worth more to us should we be lucky enough to be promoted.
Sell him in the summer. £70m
Looking like he his at 19, I think with a full season and promotion he could do damage in the top flight. It's early days but he looks like he's got all the tools. That sum might not look mad after that.
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Fair play to whoever spotted him at Bigggleswade. That's a decent bit of scouting.
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I was going to say £35m and you can have him but he's probably worth more to us should we be lucky enough to be promoted.
Sell him in the summer. £70m
Seems fair.
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It's all down to the resolve and ambition of the owner - the Doc doesn't strike me as the Doug Ellis/Randy Lerner type.
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He's had about four decent matches.
It's not exactly "Ashley Young is going to Spurs!!!!1111!!!" territory yet.
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Fair play to whoever spotted him at Bigggleswade. That's a decent bit of scouting.
Spot on!
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He's had about four decent matches.
It's not exactly "Ashley Young is going to Spurs!!!!1111!!!" territory yet.
I never got that 1111 shit.
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We have cherry picked a few players from smaller Championship clubs, PL clubs will always be capable of buying the best Championship players and all the way up to Manchester City taking players like Sterling from Liverpool and United taking Lukaku from Everton. The football food chain.
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We cherry pick below and so does everyone else. Look at the tables, see where we are are and who can cherry pick from us. And then look at Randy.
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These stories always seem planted to me. He has a contract until 2018 only just broke into the first team. I bet this is an agent story hunting for a new deal, alternatively the mail wanting us to click and read there adds.....
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Young strikers are always going to attract attention, especially those with a decent scoring record and teams are always likely to take a punt on them.
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These stories always seem planted to me. He has a contract until 2018 only just broke into the first team. I bet this is an agent story hunting for a new deal, alternatively the mail wanting us to click and read there adds.....
I do enjoy reading newspaper transfer gossip. One day I might get around to logging a load of transfer stories and seeing what percentage of them actually happen.
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Definitely his agent doing his job.
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Fair play to whoever spotted him at Bigggleswade. That's a decent bit of scouting.
Spot on!
Biggleswade is made up of players who've been discarded elsewhere so there's always a chance there will be a good one in there. Davis previously was discarded by Kidderminster, oh how they must be kicking themselves.
All clubs look for players, all clubs are subject to it. Apart, perhaps, from Real Madrid and Barcelona (though even they lost Neymar). It's part of the football food chain.
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What the headline should read is "Football scout does job" except it's not going to get much attention when you just boil it down to the bare facts.
There were 22 players on the pitch at any given time, those scouts could have been there to see any of them. Sam Johnstone, for example, would interest most premier league clubs and if De Gea doesn't leave Manchester United he may look for a start elsewhere.
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I would expect us to be in contract negotiations with him at the moment.
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I would expect us to be in contract negotiations with him at the moment.
I'm not sure that's wise to be honest, not yet anyway. Let's just try and keep his feet on the ground for now. The last thing we need is for him to be discussing contacts and wage rises and to think he's made it.
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All a bit like Grealish going to Man City et al after a good finish to the 2014/15 season. All bull
Shows what can be taken from non-league though
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Young players who show promise will always be linked with bigger clubs it's just the nature of the beast but at this moment in time he wont be going n nowhere anytime soon.
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Amazed anyone is giving credence to this by even discussing it. Absurd.
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Get promoted and it isn't a problem.
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These stories always seem planted to me. He has a contract until 2018 only just broke into the first team. I bet this is an agent story hunting for a new deal, alternatively the mail wanting us to click and read there adds.....
I do enjoy reading newspaper transfer gossip. One day I might get around to logging a load of transfer stories and seeing what percentage of them actually happen.
The BBC did that last year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37975118 - basically if it's in the guardian there's a decent chance it's true. It's a shame that a lot of the news source stuff only gives the top 5, I'd like to see the bottom end of that table as well.
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Perhaps we could sell ManUre Keinan and one of our other top academy stars for a combined £100mil package.
Bye Gabby!