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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 26, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
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This is more like it.
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Love it keep it up Villa.
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Brewers bummed.
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Excellent stuff, 3 wins in a row long may it continue.
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We are still unvincible.
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Well done Villa
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bruce in until Saturday but I want 5 goals
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Villains stand proud whilst Brewers droop.
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Best performance of the Bruce era. Signs of chemistry and confidence growing. We have the squad to achieve promotion, and as critical as I and others have been of the manager lately none of us want more upheaval and we all want success.
Well done Steve and the Villa boys. Job very well done!
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First back-to-back away wins since September 2014.
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Great win, goal difference improved and a team that should be brimming with confidence.
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Bruce had sod all to do with the last couple of wins. All down to me and Lou.
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Easy. The way it should be.
Well get 5 or 6 against Bolton on Saturday.
Top 6 and onwards!
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Bruce out! Wait, what?
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Great result. Long may it continue.
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Well done lads. Let's hope this run of results gives us the momentum to have a run at the top 2.
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Best performance of the Bruce era. Signs of chemistry and confidence growing. We have the squad to achieve promotion, and as critical as I and others have been of the manager lately none of us want more upheaval and we all want success.
Well done Steve and the Villa boys. Job very well done!
Agreed, totally.
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Onwards
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NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
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We need to build on this and keep going.
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We are starting to get the performances and results we expected when Bruce took over, which could be taken as damning with faint praise but its progress.
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Well done Bruce & team!
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Easy. The way it should be.
Well get 5 or 6 against Bolton on Saturday.
Top 6 and onwards!
I wonder if they'll be part of a 15 goal 3 game run again.
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Let the rest of the division see that Villa are on the march.
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I would have been happy with a humiliating 7-0 defeat so, as you can imagine, I'm quite hysterical tonight.
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Great performance,much more like it villa. Onto Saturday now great chance to keep this momentum going. UTV!!!!
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JOKING APART WELL DONE TO THE TEAM AND BRUCE. A WIN WAS EXPECTED HOWEVER 4-0 IS VERY GOOD.
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To add to the general feeling, well done all. I wasn't happy a few weeks ago, and still lots of games to go, but we are beating teams we should and I can't ask more than that. Excited for saturday :)
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Bruce had sod all to do with the last couple of wins. All down to me and Lou.
Fair do.....credit where it's due
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That second gioal was wonderful. The sort of passing move from our own half that we haven't seen for far too long. Albert is on fire, nearly unplayable. Would have been nice to see Kodjia get a goal but it'll come.
Still not convinced about Whelan but that's being a bit picky.
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3-0 at Barnsley, 4-0 at Burton. I see a pattern emerging. Guess who the next away game is against a team beginning with `B`.
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3-0 at Barnsley, 4-0 at Burton. I see a pattern emerging. Guess who the next away game is against a team beginning with `B`.
BastardWolves.
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Don't think it's coincidence he plays the same team 3 league games running and we win all 3.
Also probably not coincidence the winning streak started when Kodjia came back.
Long may he continue to play the same 11.
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Well done Villa, dare I hope?
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good to see no clangers from Hutton too
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Good work. Bolton only 2 points this season, don't bollox that one up please. Get the win and we'll be looking pretty good going into the next break.
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3-0 at Barnsley, 4-0 at Burton. I see a pattern emerging. Guess who the next away game is against a team beginning with `B`.
BastardWolves.
Even better. Beat BastardWolves 5-0, then BastardSmallHeath 6-0 !
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a lot of late goals went in elsewhere.......but hey we got ours in early!
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4 points off top 2.
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I just wish the Championship would offer us more of a challenge....
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i suspect we have a squad which really needs confidence. The last few results will help that hugely.
Excellent stuff.
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Same again Saturday please. Then a nice international break before a couple if biggies
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3-0 at Barnsley, 4-0 at Burton. I see a pattern emerging. Guess who the next away game is against a team beginning with `B`.
BastardWolves.
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Looking at the current top six, I think Leeds, Cardiff and Wolves will probably be there at the end. Preston, Ipswich and Sheff Utd probably won't. We'd better be in the top two or we're (possibly) fucked.
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First two goals were lovely, especially the pass and move for Adomahs. It niggled at me in the second half when we kept giving the ball back to them but after a 4-0 away win is probably not the time to be looking at that.
Keep going ahead with the 4-4-2 please, that front 4 have enough quality to easily dispatch 3/4 of the teams in this league.
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Great win tonight, Burton haven't lost a match by more than one goal this season apart from Leeds away. Good for our goal difference and table is looking much sharper.
Should get a decent crowd Saturday, good form and a team we should be beating. UP THE VILLA
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Sounds a lot more like it, long may it continue.
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Such a pleasant evening, cant we play Bolton tomorrow.
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Looking at the current top six, I think Leeds, Cardiff and Wolves will probably be there at the end. Preston, Ipswich and Sheff Utd probably won't. We'd better be in the top two or we're (possibly) fucked.
We're capable of beating anyone in this division, if we get into the play offs then I'd back us 100%
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Yes yes and fukin yes.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship)
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Any links to the goals yet please?
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Great play from Hogan for our 4th, considering the pressure he's under and his scoring record he could have been greedy there and taken a chance, really good unselfish play
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Looking at the current top six, I think Leeds, Cardiff and Wolves will probably be there at the end. Preston, Ipswich and Sheff Utd probably won't. We'd better be in the top two or we're (possibly) fucked.
We're capable of beating anyone in this division, if we get into the play offs then I'd back us 100%
In that case we should beat them often enough to not have to worry about the play-offs!
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Four in the Burton onion-bag & another clean sheet? That'll do me.
UTV
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Excellent stuff. UTV!
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Great work by Hogan for the fourth.
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I finally feel we are turning a corner to emerge from what has been a long nightmare.
Just a thought.....imagine the damage Gabby could have caused if he had been playing tonight.
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Looking at the current top six, I think Leeds, Cardiff and Wolves will probably be there at the end. Preston, Ipswich and Sheff Utd probably won't. We'd better be in the top two or we're (possibly) fucked.
We're capable of beating anyone in this division, if we get into the play offs then I'd back us 100%
In that case we should beat them often enough to not have to worry about the play-offs!
Quite. And ATM I'd back us to get in there, we'll know more in November...
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I finally feel we are turning a corner to emerge from what has been a long nightmare.
Just a thought.....imagine the damage Gabby could have caused if he had been playing tonight.
Hopefully, we've seen the last of Gabby...
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship)
Ta
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship)
Fantastic. I'm so happy I want a Peugeot 308 and some tools from Screwfix as well.
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Quick question for those of us who like to monitor these things; how are we points/goal difference wise compared to last season using the relegated teams to replace promoted teams?
I know, I'm being idle and I should work this out for myself but, in my defence, it's been a long day and I'm off my head on strong medication.
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Quick question for those of us who like to monitor these things; how are we points/goal difference wise compared to last season using the relegated teams to replace promoted teams?
I know, I'm being idle and I should work this out for myself but, in my defence, it's been a long day and I'm off my head on strong medication.
I'm too idle to work it out as well but the last 3 wins were all draws in the corresponding games last season.
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Super stuff. Confidence rising - both on and off the pitch. Onwards
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Ohhh ohhh Terry's our defender
Ohhh ohhh he plays with James Chester
Ohhh ohhh he never gives the ball away
1 2 3 4!
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship)
Fantastic. I'm so happy I want a Peugeot 308 and some tools from Screwfix as well.
What, no Ian 'Dantz' Danter too? :D
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Current form (last 6 games) we are 2nd.
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/championship/form-guide.html
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Excellent turnaround since start of September. I really believed the Norwich game was a fluke. In hindsight maybe Bruce shouldn't have tinkered after that game. Credit where it's due though, what a month. Goals being scored for fun and we're tight at the back.
Well done.
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Great stuff. The only way is up.....
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Quick question for those of us who like to monitor these things; how are we points/goal difference wise compared to last season using the relegated teams to replace promoted teams?
I know, I'm being idle and I should work this out for myself but, in my defence, it's been a long day and I'm off my head on strong medication.
We had 10 points after PNE last season which was on the weekend of the Bolton game. Dunno if the same number of games had been played but we're in much better shape this season despite not setting the division alight for most games we've played.
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Quick question for those of us who like to monitor these things; how are we points/goal difference wise compared to last season using the relegated teams to replace promoted teams?
I know, I'm being idle and I should work this out for myself but, in my defence, it's been a long day and I'm off my head on strong medication.
We had 10 points after PNE last season which was on the weekend of the Bolton game. Dunno if the same number of games had been played but we're in much better shape this season despite not setting the division alight for most games we've played.
I think he means respective results, so Burton is +2 and so on.
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Credit to the Villa boys tonight , going on the highlights i have seen,it was a pretty impressive performance
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Quick question for those of us who like to monitor these things; how are we points/goal difference wise compared to last season using the relegated teams to replace promoted teams?
I know, I'm being idle and I should work this out for myself but, in my defence, it's been a long day and I'm off my head on strong medication.
We had 10 points after PNE last season which was on the weekend of the Bolton game. Dunno if the same number of games had been played but we're in much better shape this season despite not setting the division alight for most games we've played.
I think he means respective results, so Burton is +2 and so on.
It's irrelevant.
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Really happy with that! Same again against Bolton and the right results for us and we will back in the minimum acceptable position of top 6.
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After a game like that, you just want to sit back and bask in a warm glow of endorphins. Long may those performances continue.
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This is much more like it. These are the sort of performances that we should have seen a handful of in the last 8-9 months and every time we looked like we could get one we backed away and looked scared of imposing ourselves. That meant that every time we got a run of form before it felt temporary, hopefully we can now build on this and we'll see the team on the pitch that most of us could see on paper. I still have a slight concern that Kodjia is where the difference has come from rather than anything done by the coaching/management but if I'm honest I don't care for now, getting the points on the board whilst things are working is what matters.
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That was the much mentioned smashing that someone was eventually going to get. They got it, and good.
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Some lovely play in the build up for Adomah's goal. Lovely through ball from Snodgrass and good work from Hogan for Onomah's.
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After a game like that, you just want to sit back and bask in a warm glow of endorphins. Long may those performances continue.
No sure where to get hold of endorphins but cannabis does it for me.
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Some lovely play in the build up for Adomah's goal. Lovely through ball from Snodgrass and good work from Hogan for Onomah's.
There was a wonderful knife through butter quality in the goals that I really enjoyed.
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I have watched that adomah goal quite a few times
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Some lovely play in the build up for Adomah's goal. Lovely through ball from Snodgrass and good work from Hogan for Onomah's.
There was a wonderful knife through butter quality in the goals that I really enjoyed.
That's a great phrase. One which hasn't really applied to much of our football in recent years.
It's tended to be more 'sledgehammer into slab of lard'.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/187461801285572/permalink/1664107686954302/
Not so undercover fans.
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Some lovely play in the build up for Adomah's goal. Lovely through ball from Snodgrass and good work from Hogan for Onomah's.
There was a wonderful knife through butter quality in the goals that I really enjoyed.
That's a great phrase. One which hasn't really applied to much of our football in recent years.
It's tended to be more 'sledgehammer into slab of lard'.
We truly have progressed from 'Lard Football' to 'Liquid Football'.
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A good win, some decent football and very enjoyable to watch. Well done Brucey.
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A good win, some decent football and very enjoyable to watch. Well done Brucey.
Cracking stuff
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Got back in a bit earlier after being at the game. It was all over at 2-0 really and was certainly sewn up by half-time. Lots of positives - I thought we looked dangerous on the break and Snodgrass is looking a lot sharper. Elmohamady has settled well at RB and Terry and Chester looked assured. Whelan and Hourihane look to be forming a promising central midfield partnership as well, although both did give the ball away at times.
Only real downside for me was the lack of impact from the bench. I thought Onomah was poor and Bjarnason struggled again. Interesting that Snodgrass picked out Hogan's run off the 4th goal and the latter did well to keep his composure. Would have liked to see O'Hare, but not to be.
A friend knows someone who works at Burton and he got us tickets sitting on the front row right behind Steve Bruce (loads of Villa fans in the Burton ends). It was interesting to hear him throughout the game and he had a bit of running battle with Kodjia at times. He didn't seem to be instructing players to go long and was screaming at the defence at times to push out.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/187461801285572/permalink/1664107686954302/
Not so undercover fans.
;D
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Only real downside for me was the lack of impact from the bench. I thought Onomah was poor and Bjarnason struggled again. Interesting that Snodgrass picked out Hogan's run off the 4th goal and the latter did well to keep his composure. Would have liked to see O'Hare, but not to be.
I'll take a sub assisting another sub for our fourth every day of the week :)
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I am an O'Hare fan too. I also see something in 'Bjarny' that most others don't.
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I am an O'Hare fan too. I also see something in 'Bjarny' that most others don't.
That he would make a great Postman?
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I am an O'Hare fan too. I also see something in 'Bjarny' that most others don't.
Do tell. Seriously, I really want to like him. Please give me something to work with!
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I am an O'Hare fan too. I also see something in 'Bjarny' that most others don't.
If it’s his ability to get into fantastic positions and make intelligent runs. Only to completely f##k up the finish, I think we’ve spotted this.
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The difference is that with Davids, Kodjia and Adomah in the team, you are naturally going to play more on the front foot. Also, with Snodgrass providing more width on the right you are going to stretch what are generally poor defences. Why Bruce couldn't see this before, I don't know. Adomah was clearly not in his plans but since he has come in he has changed the dynamics of the team.
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Agree on Adomah. How on earth Barny was ahead of him is anyone's guess
Credit where it's due though. We're looking solid at the back without having to bet everyone behind the ball, for the first time in years. And that's giving us a platform
This is exactly what Bruce has been trying to achieve since day one. Four of the back five, plus Whelan in front, are Bruce signings
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Brilliant result.
Very surprised we battered them, as the anticipation was that it would be a tight game, but nope, out comes a hammering.
The second goal was brilliant, just great to see us cutting a side to ribbons.
Gave the ball away a bit too much second half, but of late we appear to be deploying some sort of bowl shaped impenetrable wall around our box.
Snoddy played very well, Hourihane oozed class and Adomah really is in the best form. Kodjia still isn't quite fit So there is more to come, but the midfield are raining goals in; 7 in 9,which is very unlike us.
Villa in significant numbers to our right as well and nobody set fire to anything without segregation. Had to do an Itoje at the breakdown impression to avoid a petite lady getting run over when we scored the first two. Seemed to be too many in as the standing section was full and the gangways rammed.
Great atmosphere as you'd imagine and a new song about Aston Villa's Brave John Terry, who seemed delighted at the end giving it the Southgate fist pump.
Not sure about the Paint the Wagon song to herald our imminent promotion challenge. Bit of a Nose song.
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I am an O'Hare fan too. I also see something in 'Bjarny' that most others don't.
That he would make a great Postman?
I think he looks good when he's drumming in the Foo Fighters but he doesn't seem cut out for football.
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Well done Villa boys great result! Let's do Bolton Saturday! Bruce responding to the pressure at the moment, but we're still playing catch-up, so for me it's one game at a time for Bruce.UTV
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Leave the bloke alone. Let him enjoy his 'Dress up as a footballer' competition win.
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Only real downside for me was the lack of impact from the bench. I thought Onomah was poor and Bjarnason struggled again. Interesting that Snodgrass picked out Hogan's run off the 4th goal and the latter did well to keep his composure. Would have liked to see O'Hare, but not to be.
I'll take a sub assisting another sub for our fourth every day of the week :)
Well yes and it was nice to be making substitutions from a position of strength for a change. Sitting so close, it was interesting to see that it was Clemence who instigated the initial substitution and not Bruce. Bruce had a quick look at the clock before agreeing it. I just think in tighter games we might need that lift of energy from the bench, but it wasn't there last night.
As I said before, it was interesting that Snodgrass drifted inside and played a lovely through ball to Hogan for the fourth goal. As many have said, it probably needs that kind of service to bring out the best in him.
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Wasn't there but highlights indicated that Snoddy had a hand in three of the four goals.....can't wait for him to get "match fit"
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Amazing that at the start of the season Albert, Davis and Hourihane were well down the pecking order. Bruce has fluked a good team but credit where it's due, both he and them have taken their chances.
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We are still unvincible.
And inbeatable
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Credit where it's due - that was much more like it.
Also credit to Marc Albrighton - stood on the terrace with the rest of us - happily chatting away with fans and posed for countless pictures.
Saw Sid stroll in just after the game had kicked off and do the same.
It's in the blood. We did not choose - we were chosen .
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Wish I’d been there last night, looked a cracking atmosphere.
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The second goal was a bit good. Lots of 'pass and move'. More of that please.
Also Hogan unselfishly pulling the ball back for Onomah to score the fourth was good to see especially as he's probably desperate to score himself.
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Really pleased with the game last night another win and clean sheet I'm loving this winning feeling.
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what little i saw (thanks to a kind person on periscope) we appeared to have much more pace and energy than usual. Excellent!
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Hourihane ran the show in midfield. Barry esq.
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Hourihane ran the show in midfield. Barry esq.
So pleased he is stepping up his game. We all knew there was a quality player in there somewhere
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And a mention about Elmo. Playing him at right back is quite effective at times. Because he's pretty good in the air, it's like having a extra centre back.
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And a mention about Elmo. Playing him at right back is quite effective at times. Because he's pretty good in the air, it's like having a extra centre back.
Agreed, I like him at right back.
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Good work. Bolton only 2 points this season, don't bollox that one up please. Get the win and we'll be looking pretty good going into the next break.
Previous form in these circumstances (win streak) then coming up against such an opponent would have Bolton winning 2-0....
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And a mention about Elmo. Playing him at right back is quite effective at times. Because he's pretty good in the air, it's like having a extra centre back.
Agreed, I like him at right back.
Double agree especially about him being good in the air
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And a mention about Elmo. Playing him at right back is quite effective at times. Because he's pretty good in the air, it's like having a extra centre back.
He's settled in well there and has had a couple of assists as well.
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And a mention about Elmo. Playing him at right back is quite effective at times. Because he's pretty good in the air, it's like having a extra centre back.
Agreed, I like him at right back.
Double agree especially about him being good in the air
I assumed for the first few weeks that he'd been signed as one and I complained about it because we already had 3 that he seemed to want to hold on to. When we started playing him on the wing it felt very much that it was solely so Johnstone could launch it in his direction.
I still think we should've let Hutton go and worked with RDL as a centre back so Elmo as starter with Bree as backup.
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Wish I’d been there last night, looked a cracking atmosphere.
Yeh...We started scoring goals again in the league as soon I left the country.
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I was there last night. Definitely the best performance of the Bruce era. Our passing, movement and hold up play was fantastic. We looked solid throughout the team and kept our shape. Roll on Saturday!
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Probably win the league now 😉
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Wish I’d been there last night, looked a cracking atmosphere.
Yeh...We started scoring goals again in the league as soon I left the country.
keep going ;D
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I am a big critic of Bruce but fair play to him as the last 3 games shows exactly how good this squad is, it only took faith or fortune to get them playing as they should.
Now as we all expect to thump Bolton don't revert to type or change it please Steve
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
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Great performance, 4 goals away from home and a clean sheet as well as the three points = absolutely nothing to complain about so happy days!
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
It was half not serious but for the sake of harmony?
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
because having slightly less than half of the possession in a game you've dominated is far from the same thing as having just over a 3rd of the ball in a game where you've struggled, as happened a couple of times earlier in the season.
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Well let's hope we never have 100% possession and still lose.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
because having slightly less than half of the possession in a game you've dominated is far from the same thing as having just over a 3rd of the ball in a game where you've struggled, as happened a couple of times earlier in the season.
Do we still get 3 points if we win though?
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
To be fair, they probably did have more possession, but the difference last night was we looked far more dangerous on the break. I said it in the match thread, but it was noticeable being there just how quicker our forwards were than their defenders.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
because having slightly less than half of the possession in a game you've dominated is far from the same thing as having just over a 3rd of the ball in a game where you've struggled, as happened a couple of times earlier in the season.
Do we still get 3 points if we win though?
I think we do. I might check though because i'm not exactly sure.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
because having slightly less than half of the possession in a game you've dominated is far from the same thing as having just over a 3rd of the ball in a game where you've struggled, as happened a couple of times earlier in the season.
Do we still get 3 points if we win though?
I think we do. I might check though because i'm not exactly sure.
Just checked, yes we do.
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I'd like us to have the ball more and frustrate opponents by retaining possession. What's most important is what we do with it when we have it, or how we operate to get the ball back when we don't. Last night we created good chances and were clinical. That's quite new under Bruce as we would go large periods of games without even having a shot. Maybe it's planned or just dumb luck combined with certain players coming in but we are playing with a bit more freedom now.
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Overall I thought we looked much fitter last night, no heavy legs, moved the ball around well and supported the player with the ball. Some cracking passing, interchanges, one touch stuff, working the ball extremely well.
It just goes to show, it can be done, not that I ever doubted with the talent we have. Saturday could be a cricket score if we can repeat this kind of performance.
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I'd like us to have the ball more and frustrate opponents by retaining possession. What's most important is what we do with it when we have it, or how we operate to get the ball back when we don't. Last night we created good chances and were clinical. That's quite new under Bruce as we would go large periods of games without even having a shot. Maybe it's planned or just dumb luck combined with certain players coming in but we are playing with a bit more freedom now.
That would certainly be the case at home, but a few exceptions apart, I'm not entirely sure how comfortable some of our players are in possession. I think we have to take into account that the game was over before half-time, so there was always going a drop off in the second half. We did move the ball well and sharply at times last night and the second goal was a joy to watch. We did, however, also give the ball away cheaply on occasions, particularly in midfield.
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One other point worth noting is how we are now restricting the opposition to shots from outside the box.
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One other point worth noting is how we are now restricting the opposition to shots from outside the box.
Thought Terry was faultless last night and Chester seems to have recovered his form.
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Just seen that Burton had more possession, do we still get 3 points?
No need for that.
Why not? It's an argument that go threw at the manager a few weeks back.
because having slightly less than half of the possession in a game you've dominated is far from the same thing as having just over a 3rd of the ball in a game where you've struggled, as happened a couple of times earlier in the season.
Do we still get 3 points if we win though?
I think we do. I might check though because i'm not exactly sure.
That's a relief, seem to remember Hull beating Liverpool last season despite only having 30% possession and they got relegated, think it was because they weren't awarded the points.
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Well let's hope we never have 100% possession and still lose.
We'd need Guzan back for that.
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One other point worth noting is how we are now restricting the opposition to shots from outside the box.
We've looked very organised when the opposition have the ball, it's what has struck me having the chance to go most of the games since Cardiff.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
No it's a completely separate discussion on possession. I have not related this to our results but you are doing that.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
No it's a completely separate discussion on possession. I have not related this to our results but you are doing that.
What was wrong with our possession last night?
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Whilst we continue to play 442 we're unlikely to dominate the possession stats. Worth it while we pack a goal threat like we do currently
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Brilliant result.
Very surprised we battered them, as the anticipation was that it would be a tight game, but nope, out comes a hammering.
The second goal was brilliant, just great to see us cutting a side to ribbons.
Gave the ball away a bit too much second half, but of late we appear to be deploying some sort of bowl shaped impenetrable wall around our box.
Snoddy played very well, Hourihane oozed class and Adomah really is in the best form. Kodjia still isn't quite fit So there is more to come, but the midfield are raining goals in; 7 in 9,which is very unlike us.
Villa in significant numbers to our right as well and nobody set fire to anything without segregation. Had to do an Itoje at the breakdown impression to avoid a petite lady getting run over when we scored the first two. Seemed to be too many in as the standing section was full and the gangways rammed.
Great atmosphere as you'd imagine and a new song about Aston Villa's Brave John Terry, who seemed delighted at the end giving it the Southgate fist pump.
Not sure about the Paint the Wagon song to herald our imminent promotion challenge. Bit of a Nose song.
I know other teams sing the Terry song but it was catchy and it beats HEITS 46 times a game. One request, can we sing 'AVFC' instead of '1234'? Ta.
Agree about the 'on our way' song, definitely nosey that is as they've been singing a similar song for years.
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While we have Adomah, Hourihane, Sonddy, Kodjia and Davis as five of the front six we are likely to dominate the scoring statistic for the foreseeable.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
No it's a completely separate discussion on possession. I have not related this to our results but you are doing that.
What was wrong with our possession last night?
Nothing and I don't know why you asked this question.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
No it's a completely separate discussion on possession. I have not related this to our results but you are doing that.
What was wrong with our possession last night?
Nothing, and literally no one said there was a problem, you and Chris just created a strawman argument for no reason other than to poke fun at people who were unhappy with the possession against Forest. When we get 35% or less people will comment on it, regardless of the result, because having that little of the ball makes it hard to control games and as you play better sides letting them have so much of the ball is a big risk. You can still win games like that and if everything falls into place you can have a good run but it will always be the exception rather than the norm. To make a big deal of it again today is pretty childish and doesn't reflect well on either of you.
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Hull were relegated because they lost most matches and usually had 30% or less possession in nearly all of their matches. I will now wait for someone to play the Leicester were champion card.
It's almost as if even after 3 straight wins, people are trying to find something that's not good enough instead of trying to be being positive. Each to their own I suppose.
No it's a completely separate discussion on possession. I have not related this to our results but you are doing that.
What was wrong with our possession last night?
Nothing, and literally no one said there was a problem, you and Chris just created a strawman argument for no reason other than to poke fun at people who were unhappy with the possession against Forest. When we get 35% or less people will comment on it, regardless of the result, because having that little of the ball makes it hard to control games and as you play better sides letting them have so much of the ball is a big risk. You can still win games like that and if everything falls into place you can have a good run but it will always be the exception rather than the norm. To make a big deal of it again today is pretty childish and doesn't reflect well on either of you.
Thanks for the long but not unexpected lecture.
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Jeeze, pack it the fuck in. We've asked more than once to stop the sniping and quite frankly pathetic point scoring. We won't ask again, consider this a final warning. All of you.
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I apologise if my posts come across as sniping that wasn't the intent and specifically I'll hold my hand up that the last line of my reply was unnecessary.
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In other words please give it a rest and enjoy our current unvincibility whilst it lasts.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Anorak!
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Anorak!
Trust me, it was even more boring writing it. That's why I very rarely comment on any match threads or manage to stay awake for any televised match. Made it to the 57th minute of the Chelsea match though, might make it through 90minutes for the first time this seaszzzzzzz....
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
and Man U are winning with 66%
and Roma won with 59%
and Barcelona are winning with 71%
and Celtic are winning with 70%
Chelsea are drawing with 55% and Juventus can't score despite having 79%
So 2 games are being won by teams with less of the ball and 4 are being won (or already won) by teams with more of the ball. Seems to back up the point that having better possession is a good idea. I think if we did the same degree of analysis on a broader sample you'd probably find the pattern stays fairly consistent. On top of that I suspect you'd find a cliff edge somewhere around 40-42% where the chances of winning drops significantly. I'm not doing it though, it's just not worth the time.
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Juve have scored so it's 5-2 now in favour of higher possession, with the game that's being drawn the one with the closest split on possession.
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I just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.
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I just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.
The rain is monopolising possession of the light.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
and Man U are winning with 66%
and Roma won with 59%
and Barcelona are winning with 71%
and Celtic are winning with 70%
Chelsea are drawing with 55% and Juventus can't score despite having 79%
So 2 games are being won by teams with less of the ball and 4 are being won (or already won) by teams with more of the ball. Seems to back up the point that having better possession is a good idea. I think if we did the same degree of analysis on a broader sample you'd probably find the pattern stays fairly consistent. On top of that I suspect you'd find a cliff edge somewhere around 40-42% where the chances of winning drops significantly. I'm not doing it though, it's just not worth the time.
I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.
At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.
It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
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I just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.
The rain is monopolising possession of the light.
It's flooding the midfield.
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Jeeze, pack it the fuck in. We've asked more than once to stop the sniping and quite frankly pathetic point scoring. We won't ask again, consider this a final warning. All of you.
Or you'll all be to bed with no tea...
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It's been a bit of a nothing day today with the weather, no rain or wind or temperature of any note. What's the weather been like where you live?
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It's been a bit of a nothing day today with the weather, no rain or wind or temperature of any note. What's the weather been like where you live?
It's pissing down in B29
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Cloudy, with a chance of teabagging.
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Just let the cat in, turns out it's raining here.
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Cloudy, with a chance of teabagging.
Will the rain reach around your end?
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I just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.
The rain is monopolising possession of the light.
It's flooding the midfield.
Quality.
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I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.
At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.
It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
I agree, the underlying truth is that if you let technically superior teams boss possession they'll beat you easily. That said we should be the technically superior team in most games so if we have more possession we should find beating teams easily, in this league, becomes a habit. That's what we all want to see happen. This whole discussion is just retreading the whole result then good football vs good football then results argument, some people think you have to concentrate on results and then if better football comes with the confidence then that's great, others think that playing better football gives you a better chance to win games.
Shot dominance is a much more important stat that reflects games much more accurately but when I mentioned that earlier in the season it got moaned about just as much, what we've seen in the last few games is us getting a lot more shots on target and we've scored 9 in 3 after struggling to get much over a goal a game for the previous 40 matches under Bruce.
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It stopped raining but has started again in Harrogate now.
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Under Bruce the previous 40 odd games were pretty shit, no doubt. I believe he's chanced upon a team though with Hourihane, Davis and Albert. Throw Kodjia and Snodgrass in to the mix and their are goals throughout the front 5. The big dilema remains Whelan. Jedinak, Whelan or Onomah?
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Sorry to piss on your chips guys but we've had 29 today with minimal cloud and currently 22 with a balmy evening
along with Villa's upturn ......a perfect mix
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Whilst we continue to play 442 we're unlikely to dominate the possession stats. Worth it while we pack a goal threat like we do currently
Agree Matt. 4-4-2 is suited to more of a counter attacking style.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
and Man U are winning with 66%
and Roma won with 59%
and Barcelona are winning with 71%
and Celtic are winning with 70%
Chelsea are drawing with 55% and Juventus can't score despite having 79%
So 2 games are being won by teams with less of the ball and 4 are being won (or already won) by teams with more of the ball. Seems to back up the point that having better possession is a good idea. I think if we did the same degree of analysis on a broader sample you'd probably find the pattern stays fairly consistent. On top of that I suspect you'd find a cliff edge somewhere around 40-42% where the chances of winning drops significantly. I'm not doing it though, it's just not worth the time.
I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.
At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.
It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
Agree with that. Brentford had a lot of possession against us the other week, but the majority of it consisted of their two CBs and defensive midfielder playing the ball to each other in their own half.
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I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.
At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.
It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
I agree, the underlying truth is that if you let technically superior teams boss possession they'll beat you easily. That said we should be the technically superior team in most games so if we have more possession we should find beating teams easily, in this league, becomes a habit. That's what we all want to see happen. This whole discussion is just retreading the whole result then good football vs good football then results argument, some people think you have to concentrate on results and then if better football comes with the confidence then that's great, others think that playing better football gives you a better chance to win games.
Shot dominance is a much more important stat that reflects games much more accurately but when I mentioned that earlier in the season it got moaned about just as much, what we've seen in the last few games is us getting a lot more shots on target and we've scored 9 in 3 after struggling to get much over a goal a game for the previous 40 matches under Bruce.
You're probably right there. I think our style of attack is suited to be more direct, not hoofing but playing forward at pace rather than passing, meaning we create more in less time.
Watching us live against Barnsley and Forest, I noticed how disciplined we were without the ball as a team, players swapping automatically when the opposition moving into another zone with the ball, which meant the shape held and we didn't look uncomfortable, something long missing from our game.
It also means we break in the right shape. Once we sharpen up playing together, and the signs all point to this taking place, I think we'll be lethal. And we'll see more games virtually wrapped up by half time.
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It was raining goals last night and I am expecting to be drenched on Saturday afternoon.
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Brewers droop in Villa romp.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Anorak!
He's going to start going on about zonal marking and gegenpressing soon, before telling us he's now a St Pauli fan.
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I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.
At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.
It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
I agree, the underlying truth is that if you let technically superior teams boss possession they'll beat you easily. That said we should be the technically superior team in most games so if we have more possession we should find beating teams easily, in this league, becomes a habit. That's what we all want to see happen. This whole discussion is just retreading the whole result then good football vs good football then results argument, some people think you have to concentrate on results and then if better football comes with the confidence then that's great, others think that playing better football gives you a better chance to win games.
Shot dominance is a much more important stat that reflects games much more accurately but when I mentioned that earlier in the season it got moaned about just as much, what we've seen in the last few games is us getting a lot more shots on target and we've scored 9 in 3 after struggling to get much over a goal a game for the previous 40 matches under Bruce.
You're probably right there. I think our style of attack is suited to be more direct, not hoofing but playing forward at pace rather than passing, meaning we create more in less time.
Watching us live against Barnsley and Forest, I noticed how disciplined we were without the ball as a team, players swapping automatically when the opposition moving into another zone with the ball, which meant the shape held and we didn't look uncomfortable, something long missing from our game.
It also means we break in the right shape. Once we sharpen up playing together, and the signs all point to this taking place, I think we'll be lethal. And we'll see more games virtually wrapped up by half time.
If you follow that through we'll get to the point where teams sit a little deeper and don't give us those spaces to play into, it's exactly how teams responded to MON creating a similar team. That's why you need to be able to do both. If teams sit deep we need to be able to move the ball quickly and have good movement to create gaps, if they try to keep the ball off us we draw them on a little and then, as you describe, break quickly.
In this league, with our squad, we should be able to find a way to win against most teams, we have the experience and talent to expect that much and if anyone gets judged harshly it's because the expectations are high. Too many times in the last year we've been below the standard I'd expect and I suspect that's true for a huge number of fans. Last night is the benchmark, that's what this team should be doing and if they do discussions around the style of play, possession, Bruce being sacked, various players being shit all quietens down or goes away completely because all we want to see a team that is delivering what we expect.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship)
Thank you👍 Just had chance to watch it- Villa with a cutting edge, whatever next ?
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Anorak!
He's going to start going on about zonal marking and gegenpressing soon, before telling us he's now a St Pauli fan.
Just don't ever ask my old man what he thinks of statistics and match summerisers/pundits. He is still disgusted that footballs don't have laces in them anymore.
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Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Anorak!
He's going to start going on about zonal marking and gegenpressing soon, before telling us he's now a St Pauli fan.
Indeed. I've heard he knows at thing or two about Norwegian number 10s plying their trade in the Swedish lower leagues too.
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When I was at Jumbo I persuaded the owners to stock football fanzines, got chatting to a couple of German blokes who were over for a couple of weeks and did a St Pauli fanzine, asked them to drop some in and I'd pay them up front for them to save fannying about with sale or return and payment once they'd returned to Hamburg. I managed to sell one copy of a fanzine written entirely in German to somebody who bought it for a laugh. Luckily the owners saw the funny side and never let me pay in advance for anything again.
I'm off to watch You Tube videos of players in the Belgian second division now.
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My favourite Belgian football related thing ever
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If you follow that through we'll get to the point where teams sit a little deeper and don't give us those spaces to play into, it's exactly how teams responded to MON creating a similar team. That's why you need to be able to do both. If teams sit deep we need to be able to move the ball quickly and have good movement to create gaps, if they try to keep the ball off us we draw them on a little and then, as you describe, break quickly.
In this league, with our squad, we should be able to find a way to win against most teams, we have the experience and talent to expect that much and if anyone gets judged harshly it's because the expectations are high. Too many times in the last year we've been below the standard I'd expect and I suspect that's true for a huge number of fans. Last night is the benchmark, that's what this team should be doing and if they do discussions around the style of play, possession, Bruce being sacked, various players being shit all quietens down or goes away completely because all we want to see a team that is delivering what we expect.
I agree with this Paul. You can't expect to play counter attacking football all season, particularly if we're at home and close to the top of a league. Teams will start coming to sit and we will have to learn to unpick them.