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Title: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: kieron on August 04, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
Loan deal done:

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/893426374316367872

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/08/04/transfer-news-onomah-arrives-from-tottenham
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Mark H on August 04, 2017, 12:03:02 PM
Umm ok - can I ask who is he and where in Midfield does he play ??

I am not a fan of giving other teams players experience but if he gets us to the promised land then fine
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2017, 12:07:03 PM
Can play anywhere in midfield. Prefers to play box to box, but has been stationed out wide when he's made the Tottingham first team.

Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Keeno on August 04, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
Definitely a fan of this deal. We need attacking and creative options with Jack out so this is a good move to fill that gap. He's just won the U20s with England, unlikely to break into the Spurs team anytime soon unless he's REALLY good. In which case we'd see/benefit from it this year. So there's a chance we could make it permanent or at least extend by a year if we do well with him in the team.

We seem to be acting shrewdly and swiftly in the transfer market this summer, which is very welcome and very un-Villa-like...
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2017, 12:08:38 PM
I make that 5 central midfielders he's signed in 7 months.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Quick feet and pace.

Welcome Josh.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
He is bound to be a bruiser.  One for the medical students and the hypochondriacs.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 04, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
Never heard of him, never seen him play I just hope he really does improve our midfield.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 04, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
Quick feet and pace.

Welcome Josh.


SB will soon train that out of him.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 04, 2017, 12:22:56 PM
My mom asked me if I know who has just joined Villa on loan, I said "Onomah' and she said "ok, i'll ask your dad".
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 04, 2017, 12:25:05 PM
My mom asked me if I know who has just joined Villa on loan, I said "Onomah' and she said "ok, i'll ask your dad".

Love it !
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 04, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
Potentially very good signing still think we need a target man up front couldn't they have loaned us harry Kane for a bit
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
Quick feet and pace.

Welcome Josh.


SB will soon train that out of him.

My fear is Bruce will think he's a winger when he looks more comfortable as a defensive midfielder - at best a box to box central midfielder. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: spangley1812 on August 04, 2017, 12:37:28 PM
Is miles better than any other midfielder @ the club and he should become a permanent fixture in the 1st team all season
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
Can he play at right back?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2017, 12:46:18 PM
I don't know anything about him but hope he's a success.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 04, 2017, 12:49:31 PM
Signed now.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: kieron on August 04, 2017, 12:49:42 PM
Definitely a fan of this deal. We need attacking and creative options with Jack out so this is a good move to fill that gap. He's just won the U20s with England, unlikely to break into the Spurs team anytime soon unless he's REALLY good. In which case we'd see/benefit from it this year. So there's a chance we could make it permanent or at least extend by a year if we do well with him in the team.

We seem to be acting shrewdly and swiftly in the transfer market this summer, which is very welcome and very un-Villa-like...

He's signed a new deal with Spurs until 2021 before signing with us today, so they clearly want him back - scuppers any desire with signing him permanently.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 04, 2017, 01:01:53 PM
If he helps get us promoted great. Welcome and good luck
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 04, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
Aged 20 years, 1.85m/6ft 1" tall, & weighs in at 83kg/13stones.

It would seem SB believes that a "good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un" and probably thinks some of our promising U23s, such as O'Hare, are not physically big and strong enough.

What squad number will he get?
Noticed 12 and 18 had not been allocated in the published list.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: jwarry on August 04, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
Well if Bruce was building the team around Jack as he said, then he needed to find a replacement quickly. Seems to have good feet and a bit of speed, might even be better than Jack (fingers crossed).  Be interesting to see if he's thrown straight in tomorrow 
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
So who does he usurp? We need someone to replace Grealish, we already have a bevvy of box to boxers who get that coached out of them at Bodymoor.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PM
Reading the independant article about it here http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/tottenham-transfer-news-josh-onomah-aston-villa-loan-mauricio-pochettino-loan-deal-a7876226.html it suggests he is the most highly rated of all their youngsters, which is certainly promising!  I think we need to get away from the "developing other teams players" mentality and accept that everyone in this league plays this system to bolster their squads.  It would appear we have got a good one here.  The article also suggests Poch wants to see him centrally at a lower level, so hopefully he will be the box to box man.  Where that leaves lansbury and Hourihane though......
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: UK Redsox on August 04, 2017, 01:10:14 PM
Welcome Yoko
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2017, 01:14:06 PM
Welcome Topoeia.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2017, 01:17:26 PM
Welcome to the finest football club in the world.  Please do well.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: passitsideways on August 04, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2017, 01:32:14 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
Don't know him but happy we've acted given grealish etc as others have said

Asked a couple of mates who support Spurs:

You've got a good one there Matt

He's passing is slick, good movement off the front man, pretty rapid and calm on the ball. Just can't get ahead of Ali or erikssen - he's just signed a new contract with us and Poch rates him so I'm assuming they want him to get game time to improve, he's struggled to breakthrough to the first team. Played under 21's for England.

He might be in for a shock in the championship with the physicality, I'd say that's the weaker part of his game - he mainly needs to impose himself on the pitch more, so it'll be interesting to see how he gets on, but technically he has very good qualities.

More CM than attacking I think

Don't think he's really found his position 100% yet. So it'll be interesting to see how you use him.

Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2017, 01:34:07 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.

And where he's struggled. It was with England U20s that he's looked most impressive in central midfield.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 04, 2017, 01:42:00 PM
It's alleged that Poch previously refused to let him go on loan as 'he didn't trust the coaches with him'. So he's sent him to the football dinosaur Steve Bruce instead.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2017, 01:44:43 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.

And where he's struggled. It was with England U20s that he's looked most impressive in central midfield.

He's played a clutch of games as a sub. Not exactly struggling.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Keeno on August 04, 2017, 01:50:18 PM
Definitely a fan of this deal. We need attacking and creative options with Jack out so this is a good move to fill that gap. He's just won the U20s with England, unlikely to break into the Spurs team anytime soon unless he's REALLY good. In which case we'd see/benefit from it this year. So there's a chance we could make it permanent or at least extend by a year if we do well with him in the team.

We seem to be acting shrewdly and swiftly in the transfer market this summer, which is very welcome and very un-Villa-like...

He's signed a new deal with Spurs until 2021 before signing with us today, so they clearly want him back - scuppers any desire with signing him permanently.

Who knows with new contracts these days. Could just be to protect his value. Hypothetically if we went up this year we at least might have a chance of keeping him for a season in the Prem (if he does well) similar to Ake at Bournemouth, say.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2017, 01:52:04 PM
Fucking hell this anti Bruce thing is a bit boring isn't it?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: passitsideways on August 04, 2017, 01:52:23 PM
From the Youtube video of his U20 World Cup performances, he looks really good driving forwards from midfield, a pretty big contrast from how one-paced the midfield's looked at times during preseason.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 04, 2017, 01:54:00 PM
Fucking hell this anti Bruce thing is a bit boring isn't it?
I'm beginning to feel the same way
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
Fucking hell this anti Bruce thing is a bit boring isn't it?

Exactly.
If he gets us out of this league I don't care what style of football we play. I just want winning football.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2017, 02:08:32 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.

And where he's struggled. It was with England U20s that he's looked most impressive in central midfield.

He's played a clutch of games as a sub. Not exactly struggling.

His performances in the summer in central midfield, his preferred position, may be lost on you but I very much doubt they were on Bruce. He lad reminds me of Carlos Sanchez but with legs. Extremely tidy with the ball, keeps things moving fluidly and can work box to box. Best of all, he's always looking for a forward pass and normally delivers.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2017, 02:12:58 PM
Fucking hell this anti Bruce thing is a bit boring isn't it?

I'm not the biggest Bruce fan, but if you were going to get rid then one day before the start of the season isn't the best time to do it. He's here for a few months now, at least, and I hope much longer because that will mean we are being successful.

Having said that we should be adding an attacking threat, I'm certainly not going to start slagging Bruce off for signing an attacking threat before I've even seen the player in question play.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah
Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
It's alleged that Poch previously refused to let him go on loan as 'he didn't trust the coaches with him'. So he's sent him to the football dinosaur Steve Bruce instead.

No offence, but I'd trust Pochettino more than you in being a judge of manager and set up.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Hillbilly on August 04, 2017, 02:37:13 PM
Well he's dropped a division and gone up in the world so good luck to him.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2017, 02:37:29 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.

And where he's struggled. It was with England U20s that he's looked most impressive in central midfield.

He's played a clutch of games as a sub. Not exactly struggling.

His performances in the summer in central midfield, his preferred position, may be lost on you but I very much doubt they were on Bruce. He lad reminds me of Carlos Sanchez but with legs. Extremely tidy with the ball, keeps things moving fluidly and can work box to box. Best of all, he's always looking for a forward pass and normally delivers.

I think you've missed the point. I'm not suggesting he's not a good central midfielder or has the potential to be one.

I am responding to the criticism that Bruce has received for signing him and then it being suggested "he's only signed him to play him out of position".

Perhaps I should have made the point clearer that I thought it nonsensical to have a whinge at the manager over something that has not happened. I instead referenced the best manager (in my opinion) in the country, playing in the same position Bruce is being criticized for to highlight the point.

Clearly he is a replacement for Grealish.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2017, 02:39:39 PM
Can he play tomorrow?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 04, 2017, 02:44:30 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: passitsideways on August 04, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
Seems like a Bruce thing to just play him out wide 'cause he's quick.

Where arguably the best manager in the top flight has been playing him.

And where he's struggled. It was with England U20s that he's looked most impressive in central midfield.

He's played a clutch of games as a sub. Not exactly struggling.

His performances in the summer in central midfield, his preferred position, may be lost on you but I very much doubt they were on Bruce. He lad reminds me of Carlos Sanchez but with legs. Extremely tidy with the ball, keeps things moving fluidly and can work box to box. Best of all, he's always looking for a forward pass and normally delivers.

I think you've missed the point. I'm not suggesting he's not a good central midfielder or has the potential to be one.

I am responding to the criticism that Bruce has received for signing him and then it being suggested "he's only signed him to play him out of position".

Perhaps I should have made the point clearer that I thought it nonsensical to have a whinge at the manager over something that has not happened. I instead referenced the best manager (in my opinion) in the country, playing in the same position Bruce is being criticized for to highlight the point.

Clearly he is a replacement for Grealish.

From what I've gathered from looking briefly at Spurs forums, he's received his playing time a little further forward because they have less depth in those positions than in central midfield, where they have the likes of Dembele, Wanyama, Dier, Winks, Alli, and Sissoko, and not necessarily because Pochettino sees him as more suited to those positions.

He's been signed to cover for Grealish, a final third player who was probably going to spend a fair bit of time out in wide areas up the pitch, and is coming into a squad which is short of left-sided options (unlike out right, where we have Elmo and Adomah). I think you can make an inference from that as to where he's probably going to play.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on August 04, 2017, 03:03:42 PM
KW's a big fuc*er isn't he?  Looks like he can put Dr Tone is his pocket!
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/08/04/picture-gallery-onomah-trains
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 04, 2017, 03:04:04 PM
I hope he's more Kyle Walker than Jermaine Jenas
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
Welcome Joshua lets hope we have a successful time together at the Villa.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
Hopefully will be a lot better than Tishbola who was signed to play a similar role 12 months back.

He has a lot more experience which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
Welcome Joshua lets hope we have a successful time together at the Villa.

This.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Dedicated a goal he scored to Eugo I like him loads already. Welcome and best of luck Joshua.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
Well that came from nowhere good luck Josh.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2017, 08:41:04 PM
Let hope he is next generation of sir Ian Taylor of Birmingham ;)
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Rudy65 on August 05, 2017, 07:49:04 AM
Could prove to be our best signing of the season to compliment the old un's we've signed
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 05, 2017, 08:03:18 AM
Don't know him but happy we've acted given grealish etc as others have said

Asked a couple of mates who support Spurs:

You've got a good one there Matt

He's passing is slick, good movement off the front man, pretty rapid and calm on the ball. Just can't get ahead of Ali or erikssen - he's just signed a new contract with us and Poch rates him so I'm assuming they want him to get game time to improve, he's struggled to breakthrough to the first team. Played under 21's for England.

He might be in for a shock in the championship with the physicality, I'd say that's the weaker part of his game - he mainly needs to impose himself on the pitch more, so it'll be interesting to see how he gets on, but technically he has very good qualities.

More CM than attacking I think

Don't think he's really found his position 100% yet. So it'll be interesting to see how you use him.



That's based on him playing in a good team where all the other players can also pass and move it quickly. Playing for us is completely different. Grealish would look infinitely better playing in the Spurs team.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on August 05, 2017, 08:15:58 AM
Welcome Joshua lets hope we have a successful time together at the Villa.
Sorry Darren  but I don't agree with you. Everybody.... yes  I know but I have said it
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: DB on August 05, 2017, 09:07:47 AM
A Spuds fan at work reckons he is quality and will do well in the Championship. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2017, 09:13:17 AM
I watched some of the final of the U20 world cup and if he's the one i'm thinking of he was one of two players that were head and shoulders above the rest.
He hit the bar from quite a distance out, had it gone in it would have been some goal. From what i remember i can't see him being a winger at all, probably in the middle with Whelan. Which is fine, considering how crap Lansbury, Hourahane and Bjarnasson have been.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Steve kirk on August 05, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Fucking hell this anti Bruce thing is a bit boring isn't it?
I'm beginning to feel the same way

As am I
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
Don't know much about him, but seems a good prospect on paper.  He'll want to prove his worth to his parent club too.  We could do with a bit more youth too ;) Good luck to him. 
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
Got to admit I was a bit disappointed today

Not as ready as I'd hoped. Thought green looked better
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 05, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
Got to admit I was a bit disappointed today

Not as ready as I'd hoped. Thought green looked better

How can you tell on the basis of a few minutes playing time ?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2017, 09:12:15 PM
Not writing him off at all

Just thought he had two or three chances to play a telling pass and made the wrong choice

Where I think grealish would have done better for example

But early days so no more than initial reactions
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
I mean let's give him a chance.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: The Moose on August 05, 2017, 10:03:21 PM
Looks a class above us, needs to drop to our level.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: CT on August 05, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
Christ, at least give us six weeks to coach anything decent out of him.

Expect him to contract BMHFAS within a few weeks.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2017, 11:55:49 PM
He's a bit old unit isn't he?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 06, 2017, 11:50:55 AM
Confident lad that's for sure. I think he'll be great for us.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Confident lad that's for sure. I think he'll be great for us.

Looks good, and given that he hasn't even had chance to train with us properly, he'll surely only improve.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: enigma on August 06, 2017, 01:01:15 PM
I'm surprised they let him come to us. I know he's very highly rated by Spurs fans and since they haven't signed anyone you'd think they need all the bodies they can get.

On a few football blogs some of their fans rated him as high as Harry Winks who also looks like a very good prospect.

Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 06, 2017, 04:50:05 PM
Felt uneccessary to bring him on yesterday in the situation and would have preferred another who has not literally joined day before. I guessed Bruce would bring him on if level and hope he provides some good midfield play. Unfortunately he looked a bit overawed on occasion and misplaced simple pass to greenie which would have led to decent attack . Get him I. Against Colchester yes but yesterday hourihane or BB could have been on
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
Confident lad that's for sure. I think he'll be great for us.

Looks good, and given that he hasn't even had chance to train with us properly, he'll surely only improve.

That's prob why he looked so good.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
Felt uneccessary to bring him on yesterday in the situation and would have preferred another who has not literally joined day before. I guessed Bruce would bring him on if level and hope he provides some good midfield play. Unfortunately he looked a bit overawed on occasion and misplaced simple pass to greenie which would have led to decent attack . Get him I. Against Colchester yes but yesterday hourihane or BB could have been on

I disagree completely, we needed a physical presence in there that Hourihane can't provide and I just don't trust BB, the criticism is that he bought the wrong player off for him and made the change 15-20 minutes too late.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 06, 2017, 10:54:06 PM
Felt uneccessary to bring him on yesterday in the situation and would have preferred another who has not literally joined day before. I guessed Bruce would bring him on if level and hope he provides some good midfield play. Unfortunately he looked a bit overawed on occasion and misplaced simple pass to greenie which would have led to decent attack . Get him I. Against Colchester yes but yesterday hourihane or BB could have been on

I disagree completely, we needed a physical presence in there that Hourihane can't provide and I just don't trust BB, the criticism is that he bought the wrong player off for him and made the change 15-20 minutes too late.

Well I completely agree the wrong player came off and that a change should have come earlier.
For me felt was rushed in to game but get your point. I do think he's an upgrade on tshibola for example a more athletic and skilled talent and will add to squad and team just seems like he has to play as part of the loan deal perhaps ?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
Felt uneccessary to bring him on yesterday in the situation and would have preferred another who has not literally joined day before. I guessed Bruce would bring him on if level and hope he provides some good midfield play. Unfortunately he looked a bit overawed on occasion and misplaced simple pass to greenie which would have led to decent attack . Get him I. Against Colchester yes but yesterday hourihane or BB could have been on

I disagree completely, we needed a physical presence in there that Hourihane can't provide and I just don't trust BB, the criticism is that he bought the wrong player off for him and made the change 15-20 minutes too late.

Well I completely agree the wrong player came off and that a change should have come earlier.
For me felt was rushed in to game but get your point. I do think he's an upgrade on tshibola for example a more athletic and skilled talent and will add to squad and team just seems like he has to play as part of the loan deal perhaps ?

As I've said elsewhere their midfield was much more energetic than ours and we needed the legs, he was the best option to provide that.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 07, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Thought he looked decent for the few minutes he was given.  Think as a impact sub he can be effective.  Would like to see him get a start in the Cup too.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on August 07, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Confident lad that's for sure. I think he'll be great for us.

Looks good, and given that he hasn't even had chance to train with us properly, he'll surely only improve.

That's prob why he looked so good.

*chuckle*
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2017, 12:37:33 AM
Can a parent club stipulate a clause that they only loan a starlet out if he features when fit?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on August 08, 2017, 09:13:58 AM
He looked good when he came on looking forward to seeing him start a game.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: enigma on August 08, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Can a parent club stipulate a clause that they only loan a starlet out if he features when fit?

Yep. The parent club often stipulates that the player play regularly or they can fine the loanee club X amount of cash and/or recall the palyer.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
That’s a more concerning consequence of loaning a player rather than the “getting him ready for a big club’s first team” reason some of us don’t like borrowing players. 
If he’s not playing well (or our goalkeeper come to think of it), we’re still stuck with playing them if fit when we want to drop them?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2017, 06:01:46 PM
Thought he looked decent for the few minutes he was given.  Think as a impact sub he can be effective.  Would like to see him get a start in the Cup too.

Played in a couple of different roles when he came on as well.  I am thinking he will definitely start tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: enigma on August 08, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
That’s a more concerning consequence of loaning a player rather than the “getting him ready for a big club’s first team” reason some of us don’t like borrowing players. 
If he’s not playing well (or our goalkeeper come to think of it), we’re still stuck with playing them if fit when we want to drop them?

Quite often yes. I don't think that would be the case with our keeper though as he doesn't seem to have a future at Man Utd. Could well be the case for Onomah though as Spurs rate him so highly and want him to get game time.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: four fornicholl on August 08, 2017, 07:59:29 PM
That’s a more concerning consequence of loaning a player rather than the “getting him ready for a big club’s first team” reason some of us don’t like borrowing players. 
If he’s not playing well (or our goalkeeper come to think of it), we’re still stuck with playing them if fit when we want to drop them?

Quite often yes. I don't think that would be the case with our keeper though as he doesn't seem to have a future at Man Utd. Could well be the case for Onomah though as Spurs rate him so highly and want him to get game time.
Oh the joy of being a feeder club for Spurs, when will the pain end?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2017, 09:00:47 AM
That’s a more concerning consequence of loaning a player rather than the “getting him ready for a big club’s first team” reason some of us don’t like borrowing players. 
If he’s not playing well (or our goalkeeper come to think of it), we’re still stuck with playing them if fit when we want to drop them?

Quite often yes. I don't think that would be the case with our keeper though as he doesn't seem to have a future at Man Utd. Could well be the case for Onomah though as Spurs rate him so highly and want him to get game time.

Last season their manager was saying he wanted to keep his best young talent at the club with the first team rather than loaning them out, so the fact he's with us may be a sign that they're not so fussed with him.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
Is Onomah eligible for the thai energy sponsors cup known as carabao ? I expect him to have minutes today as spurs would certainly use him in the thai energy drink sponsored competition!
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on August 09, 2017, 09:10:10 PM
First sight of him tonight and alright, we're playing a Division 4 team, but he looks class.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
First sight of him tonight and alright, we're playing a Division 4 team, but he looks class.

Only saw last half hour but his quality on the ball stood out. Safe to say a better option than Gardner or Lyden
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on August 09, 2017, 09:43:06 PM
Found space well and has an eye for a pass. Can he translate it to the Championship and with consistency?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 09, 2017, 09:49:07 PM
Should do, the bloke has played in CL hasn't he?

Should be ahead of Bacuna in the pecking order at least.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
I'd put him in at the moment, he's better than Lansbury. Should be good at this level.
On the other hand, If he ever becomes a regular in a champions league level Tottenham team I'll eat my pigeon shit encrusted hat.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
It's been a long time since I saw a player drive forward with the ball in midfield, it was nice to see. He maybe hung on to the ball too long at times but I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2017, 10:12:37 PM
Very impressed, seems composed on the ball, looks to play forward too. Already seems better than Lansbury and Bacuna.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 09, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
Start him on Saturday.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
Neat and tidy player. Good spot from Bruce. He has a bright future.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: enigma on August 09, 2017, 10:33:12 PM
I'd put him in at the moment, he's better than Lansbury. Should be good at this level.
On the other hand, If he ever becomes a regular in a champions league level Tottenham team I'll eat my pigeon shit encrusted hat.
Most people would have said the same about Harry Kane four or five years ago.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 09, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
He's only just turned 20, as enigma says, at similar age Harry Kane wasn't doing a fat lot.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 11, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
He could turn out something special - right now though he looks like a typical youth player full of running but not a great deal to tell your grandad about. 

Am I missing something  about Josh?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 11, 2017, 10:40:18 PM
Thought this was a bump to say he'd done his cruciate given he was injured on Saturday.

From what I've seen he's been one of the better players this season, really looking forward to watching him live tomorrow if he's fit.

Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 12, 2017, 08:13:30 AM
Don't think he's fit

But from what I've seen he looks very good
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on September 12, 2017, 01:25:37 PM
Looks very good, needs some enthusiastic skilled runners around him. He works well with Davis a focal point.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2017, 01:37:42 PM
He looks very good.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: in exile on September 12, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
I can only agree with all of the positive comments
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on September 12, 2017, 02:46:01 PM
Didn't have the best game on Saturday, but then might have been carrying an injury by the sounds of it.  Looks strong and athletic which is a good start and shows flashes when he's got the ball.   
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 13, 2017, 02:40:50 PM
Should be back Saturday I hear
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 13, 2017, 02:53:02 PM
Should be back Saturday I hear

Knowing Spudulike he will play him at Left Back
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2017, 01:07:03 AM
Should be ok to play in the cup game?
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Comrade Blitz on October 01, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
Yesterday and v Barnsley he seemed very indecisive (even lazy at times). He gets caught flat-footed quite often.

Hopefully it is just inexperience and not him thinking he's too good to be at this level
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 01, 2017, 12:23:41 PM
He's 19 - there'll be ups and downs

I imagine it's more hesitation than laziness
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2017, 12:34:58 PM
He's also coming on as a sub primarily at the moment and as a youngster still probably learning how to adjust to the pace of an ongoing game quickly.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on October 01, 2017, 12:48:04 PM
Not sure the number 10 role suits him and think he would be better in a more deeper role. 
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
He's also coming on as a sub primarily at the moment and as a youngster still probably learning how to adjust to the pace of an ongoing game quickly.

A difficult thing to do at any level.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 01, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
Not sure the number 10 role suits him and think he would be better in a more deeper role. 

I agree that's his natural position. Just not sure I trust him in a two. Pochetino didn't and he's not averse to playing kids
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: in exile on October 02, 2017, 03:18:26 PM
Should be back Saturday I hear

Knowing Spudulike he will play him at Left Back

Funny you should mention that...
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on October 02, 2017, 06:05:45 PM
Onomah looks like an excellent prospect as an energetic and dynamic attacking midfielder. He needs more game time in my opinion.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 06, 2017, 08:10:42 PM
He's just scored a brilliant goal for the under 21s

If Davis is out against Wolves, I reckon Onomah will play
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: kieron on October 06, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/916378674064216069

Holy moly.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Diablo on October 07, 2017, 11:33:19 AM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/916378674064216069

Holy moly.

Wowzers!! Joshua Onomah has natural ability by the bucket load let's have some of those in a Villa shirt please.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on October 07, 2017, 11:37:15 AM
He's just scored a brilliant goal for the under 21s

If Davis is out against Wolves, I reckon Onomah will play
Good player: I hope we can sign him if we go up.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on October 07, 2017, 12:06:37 PM
He's just scored a brilliant goal for the under 21s

If Davis is out against Wolves, I reckon Onomah will play

I've got a sneaky feeling he might go three in midfield anyway for the Wolves game.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 07, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
He's just scored a brilliant goal for the under 21s

If Davis is out against Wolves, I reckon Onomah will play
Good player: I hope we can sign him if we go up.


I don't think there's a chance we'll sign him permanently. I suspect Spurs expect him to go onto big things with them.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 07, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
I'd assume so too

But there's a hell of a lot of competition ahead of him. He'd have to be happy playing every now and then
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 07, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
Another season on loan with us would be logical for all parties, if he (and we) can demonstrate enough progression.

p.s. it was his pass for the third too.  That was classy.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 08, 2017, 04:50:01 PM
He has that touch of class you see with certain players.

Will hopefully be starting again for us before too long.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 08, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
I'd love to think he could pair with Hourihane but I doubt it

I expect we'll have to revert to 5 in midfield for at least some of the upcoming games tho
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on October 09, 2017, 12:41:11 PM
I would also think another season with us will do him the world of good because like you say I can't see him getting in that Spurs midfield not from the start anyway.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: TheTimVilla on October 30, 2017, 12:15:12 PM
He looked rubbish yesterday, not for the first time. Very lucky not to get subbed.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Jockey Randall on October 30, 2017, 01:59:02 PM
He seems to either look a class above or look completely lost. Yesterday was clearly not going his way and he should have been hooked imo.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 30, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
He was very good last week and poor yesterday. I don't think it's unreasonable that a player might be a bit inconsistent while he is still developing, and I'm not going to worry too much at present.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on October 30, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
He was very good last week and poor yesterday. I don't think it's unreasonable that a player might be a bit inconsistent while he is still developing, and I'm not going to worry too much at present.

Now, now, we can't be having measured, reasonable comments like that on here. What do you think this is?!
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 30, 2017, 03:09:48 PM
The set up was wrong yesterday and he was charging around aimlessly.
Looks more of a box to box or high energy midfielder than Number 10.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Dave P on October 30, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
He seems to either look a class above or look completely lost. Yesterday was clearly not going his way and he should have been hooked imo.

This is my opinion on him too.  When he is good, he is very good.  Certainly not a worry when he plays though.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Dave P on October 30, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
The set up was wrong yesterday and he was charging around aimlessly.
Looks more of a box to box or high energy midfielder than Number 10.


I do wonder what a midfield containing him and Grealish would create?  I get the distinct impression it is him OR Grealish when the latter is fit.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 30, 2017, 07:26:45 PM
Another one who can’t take the physical side of the game. So he had a good hour against Fulham   Too much hype in my opinion
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 30, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
He's a young player finding his way. I think generally he's been good.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 30, 2017, 07:36:10 PM
He seems to either look a class above or look completely lost. Yesterday was clearly not going his way and he should have been hooked imo.

This is my opinion on him too.  When he is good, he is very good.  Certainly not a worry when he plays though.

Not the only one who hates blood and thunder Kodjia spent a long period just looking at the grass  that’s why we needed Davis on earlier
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2017, 08:18:51 PM
He's a young player finding his way. I think generally he's been good.

And I do too and like cdbully said, at his age he's going to have poor games.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Excellent composure to set up the second.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: passitsideways on November 01, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
Good to see him follow up a poor game with a good display tonight. Think it shows what can happen when you go with a positive approach though, in terms of looking to move the ball through the middle as opposed to scrapping around in a disjointed, long-ball game (I don't mean that as a pop at Bruce, I understand why he set up the way he did on the weekend, but just wanted to make that point.)
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 11:23:49 PM
Guy is a class act at this level.

Can't see him getting much of a chance at Spurs so would like to see us bring him back next season, hopefully at a higher level.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 01, 2017, 11:30:18 PM
2 out of 10 Sunday, 10 out of 10 today

Footballs weird

Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2017, 07:45:16 AM
Hopefully he's not injured his groin. Was limping a bit when he went off after that knock.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 02, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
I really like him and would really like to keep him longer but he does appear to get knocks quite too easily.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
I really like him and would really like to keep him longer but he does appear to get knocks quite too easily.

Probably his body still adapting to this level of football.

It's a completely different pace to under 23 stuff he was playing at Spurs.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on November 02, 2017, 11:34:55 AM
I also really like him I hope we can at least keep him longer if not buy him outright at the end of the season another one with great potential.
Title: Re: Joshua Onomah signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
For me he's a bit hit and miss so far and I wouldn't start him with everyone fit. That said, he seems to have a good attitude and I think he'll become a good player and if we did sign him permanently I'd be very pleased.
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